The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 12-23-25

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00:00:04.460 The one question, Bob, everyone's asking is, are we in an artificial intelligence bubble?

00:00:10.080 You've been through boom and busts. What do you think?

00:00:12.860 No hype, no myths, just what actually matters to your money.

00:00:17.440 Does feel very similar to what we experienced in the 90s. Where are we,

00:00:21.460 though? Are we in 1995, 1997, 1999?

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00:00:39.880 Well, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, perhaps the greatest mayor in New York City history,

00:00:46.140 has been completely and totally vindicated.

00:00:49.980 For the mere act of zealously representing the interests of his client, President Donald Trump,

00:00:58.260 the far left, rather than actually consider the legal arguments that he was making,

00:01:05.580 silenced him, debanked him, disbarred him, and tried to bury him in egregious, aggressive lawsuits.

00:01:15.740 They've done everything humanly possible to break this man,

00:01:19.340 and yet he still does a stirring podcast every single day.

00:01:26.720 He is a tough Italian-American, and they cannot break his spirit or his lifelong habit of telling the truth.

00:01:36.160 But incredibly, a citizen investigation into the 2020 election in Fulton County, Georgia,

00:01:42.020 has proven that Rudy Giuliani was right when he said that major voter fraud did, in fact, occur in Fulton County in that pivotal year.

00:01:52.340 After an open records litigation costing more than $15,000,

00:01:58.380 investigator David Cross obtained nearly all of the county's election records

00:02:03.900 and found that at least 134 tabulator tapes, that would cover roughly 315,000 votes,

00:02:12.820 were missing the legally required signatures of poll workers.

00:02:17.860 Under Georgia law, unsigned tapes must be uncertified,

00:02:21.360 cross-testified before the Georgia State Election Board,

00:02:25.540 that every early morning tabulator tape had actually lacked signatures,

00:02:30.180 accounting for more than 60% of the county's 2020 votes.

00:02:35.880 There were also additional irregularities, including missing tapes,

00:02:40.040 identical protective counters across polling places,

00:02:43.360 polls opened days late, closing after 2 p.m.,

00:02:47.120 mismatched serial numbers,

00:02:49.420 a number of questions regarding the chain of custody.

00:02:52.260 So, in other words, Rudy Giuliani was right about all of it.

00:02:56.920 And then Jack Smith invented a crime.

00:02:59.620 That would be the formation of an Electoral College Board of Electors.

00:03:06.880 Throughout our history, in 1877 and 1960,

00:03:10.460 when there had been election disputes,

00:03:13.140 the parties have always formed Electoral College slates

00:03:18.500 in the event that they prevailed in litigation over the outcome of the election

00:03:23.120 and they would therefore be seated.

00:03:25.020 It's like preserving your rights.

00:03:27.660 But somehow, Jack Smith and Merrick Garland decided that this was actually a crime,

00:03:34.400 that it was a crime to organize politically.

00:03:38.600 If you read the minutes of the electors in Georgia,

00:03:43.860 all of whom were charged, that case was ultimately dismissed.

00:03:47.320 All they did, if you read their minutes, is to say,

00:03:51.320 to protect our rights because we are suing or forming this alternative slate.

00:03:55.840 It's there in black and white, yet they tried to send President Trump,

00:04:01.000 Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, many others to prison

00:04:05.980 over that remarkable act of lawfare.

00:04:11.500 So it is great to see Giuliani on this Christmas,

00:04:15.900 completely and totally exonerated based on everything we know in Georgia.

00:04:23.360 If the official county officials don't even dispute the core facts now.

00:04:29.260 The county attorney, Ann Brumbau,

00:04:30.920 conceded that the tape front signed and acknowledged that it was a violation of election laws.

00:04:36.020 The vice chairman of the election board, Janice Johnson,

00:04:40.560 said the country's records were woefully incomplete.

00:04:43.620 They don't even deny this theft.

00:04:46.220 The executive director, James Mills,

00:04:47.880 called the situation one of the most egregious breakdowns he's ever seen.

00:04:52.400 These kind of failures matter because Georgia's statewide races are always razor thin.

00:04:57.420 If you look at it historically,

00:04:58.980 Joe Biden carried Georgia, were sold by fewer than 12,000 votes.

00:05:03.240 This, of course, all means that when Donald Trump was on the phone

00:05:08.460 with Secretary of State Raffensperger,

00:05:12.720 with I believe as many as seven other lawyers on the line,

00:05:16.640 he did not tell Raffensperger to find 17,000 votes.

00:05:21.920 He told them he had counted far more than 17,000 illegal votes

00:05:27.700 and then the margin of victory and that Trump would win.

00:05:32.720 Not anything like go out and manufacture these,

00:05:36.960 which is, of course, what they tried to say to the media.

00:05:42.060 Same time, Senator David Perdue, a great patriot,

00:05:45.440 narrowly missed outright victory over challenger John Osloff,

00:05:49.000 triggering an actual runoff.

00:05:50.820 It's very clear that that race was rigged in the same manner.

00:05:56.400 Cross has not called for overturning the results,

00:05:59.620 but Raffensperger should never have accepted these uncertified numbers

00:06:04.020 and counted them.

00:06:04.680 He was the Republican Secretary of State.

00:06:08.040 The elections board agreed that they would levy a fine of $670,000

00:06:15.140 against Fulton County.

00:06:17.600 So everything that we were told, of course, is true.

00:06:22.720 And, of course, then you look at the silver state, Nevada,

00:06:25.920 where voter theft is a way of life.

00:06:29.500 As long as the state of Nevada has, as its state law,

00:06:34.140 a provision that everyone on the voter rolls be mailed a mail-in ballot

00:06:38.200 when they have requested one or not,

00:06:41.000 victory for Republicans will remain elusive.

00:06:43.380 The last time I spoke in Las Vegas to a conference,

00:06:48.140 a man walked up and showed me five mail-in ballots.

00:06:52.900 This was before the last election.

00:06:54.500 Five mail-in ballots all addressed to him at the same address.

00:06:59.140 He pointed at one and said that it was him.

00:07:02.080 The other four, he said,

00:07:04.020 were people who had rented his apartment prior to his renting it.

00:07:09.840 I asked him if he knew anything about them.

00:07:12.560 He said that two of them have moved out of the state

00:07:14.680 and one of them is deceased,

00:07:16.840 but they're still all getting ballots.

00:07:18.700 Now, if he were a dishonest person,

00:07:20.880 he, of course, could have cast all of those votes,

00:07:23.620 but he did not do so.

00:07:25.300 Until Republicans figure out how to fix that problem in the silver state,

00:07:28.920 which was once a reliably Republican state,

00:07:31.500 producing such giants as Senator and Governor Paul Laxalt,

00:07:35.240 who was the chairman of Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1980,

00:07:39.080 and as Governor Nevada became a close friend

00:07:41.480 of neighboring Governor Ronald Reagan,

00:07:44.780 that is a key state on the path to 270 electoral votes.

00:07:53.160 Meanwhile, the Epstein furor is back up in the air. 0.66

00:07:58.140 The New York Post breaks a story which really is not a story,

00:08:03.640 reporting all of which had been previously reported

00:08:06.320 that Trump was on several occasions on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane.

00:08:12.480 They really don't harp on the fact that this is a flight

00:08:15.780 that never went to Epstein Island,

00:08:17.680 but flew on a weekend on Fridays to Palm Beach and back to New York,

00:08:24.380 and that Marlon Maples, the president's then-wife, 0.74

00:08:28.280 and his daughter Tiffany were on the flight with him,

00:08:31.140 along with a nanny. 0.99

00:08:32.960 But that, of course, is not the focus. 1.00

00:08:35.080 This is the same recycled garbage. 0.98

00:08:37.700 Look, that Trump had a relationship with Epstein is not a secret. 0.99

00:08:41.620 And all of these photos that have been released,

00:08:44.220 it's interesting to me that all of the women and other people 1.00

00:08:48.580 seen in photos of Trump are all adults,

00:08:51.380 most of them models.

00:08:52.980 This proves nothing, of course,

00:08:55.140 other than invading the privacy of those individuals.

00:08:58.680 Trump has actually commented on that.

00:09:01.440 And interestingly enough,

00:09:03.160 we were told in a formal statement by Bill Clinton,

00:09:07.440 now running for months,

00:09:09.300 but Clinton denied ever being on Epstein Island, period, end of story.

00:09:13.840 The problem was that is that in my 2015 book,

00:09:18.720 The Clinton's War on Women,

00:09:20.300 I established through both the FAA manifest showing who was on the airplane

00:09:27.960 and also in the sworn testimony of three different litigants,

00:09:34.400 victims of Epstein,

00:09:36.300 including Virginia Roberts-Juffray, 1.00

00:09:39.300 who I did two three-hour sessions with,

00:09:43.640 and I read all of his sworn testimony.

00:09:45.680 Very clearly, Bill Clinton was on the island.

00:09:47.680 Now, these documents that have been released show Bill on the island.

00:09:55.700 Bill Clinton put out a feisty statement saying that the documents were somehow being manipulated,

00:10:01.080 that he didn't understand why these docs were being shown and not documents of others.

00:10:07.120 It was very spooky.

00:10:09.740 But the point, of course, is that these documents are released by the House Democrats

00:10:14.240 and came from the Epstein estate.

00:10:19.360 Epstein's siblings and his living relatives are all major left-wing donors.

00:10:24.100 There's a surprise.

00:10:25.240 So, once again, it's incumbent to point out the facts here.

00:10:30.000 Yes, Trump and Epstein had a relationship,

00:10:32.760 but Trump and Epstein fell out in 2004.

00:10:36.040 This is before he even owned that airplane.

00:10:38.980 And Trump banned him from all of his properties and from his life.

00:10:43.320 And this was after, reportedly, Epstein made an indecent advance against Virginia Roberts-Juffray,

00:10:50.300 who was working part-time, under 18, part-time, in the spa.

00:10:57.940 And that litigation raged on for years.

00:11:01.740 I read all of it.

00:11:04.860 It is the same recycling that we have tried to do.

00:11:09.400 It is smear and innuendo.

00:11:11.380 Trump was never on the island.

00:11:12.680 Trump was never in his New York home.

00:11:14.640 Trump was never on his Arizona ranch.

00:11:17.120 Trump never went to his Paris apartment.

00:11:20.920 Steve Bannon did visit him in both New York and in Paris after being fired from the Trump White House.

00:11:28.600 Those emails are intriguing.

00:11:30.300 They show an intimate relationship.

00:11:33.080 And you can clearly see that Bannon is coaching Epstein on his PR rehabilitation.

00:11:39.180 I believe that the 10 hours of video that Steve Bannon shot with Jeffrey Epstein,

00:11:45.900 which he tells us is for a documentary that is yet to be released,

00:11:48.800 is, in fact, mostly practice footage for a 60 Minutes interview that Epstein had scheduled,

00:11:55.080 which, of course, fell away when Epstein was arrested.

00:12:00.120 It is very clear, if you look at Michael Wolff's books, if you look at the emails,

00:12:05.920 that is clearly the role that Steve Bannon was playing.

00:12:10.080 It's interesting that when one of his lawyers says, in shock, after Trump is elected,

00:12:15.700 he emails Epstein and says, Trump actually won.

00:12:20.020 And Epstein's response is, no problem, Bannon with me.

00:12:24.760 So there it is.

00:12:27.100 And people say, oh, what's your beef with him?

00:12:29.740 Yeah, he did perjure himself at my trial.

00:12:31.660 He did tell the House Intelligence Committee that he and I had never discussed WikiLeaks,

00:12:36.620 Julian Assange, or these allegedly stolen emails that weren't even taken by,

00:12:43.460 other than out the back door on some portable disk.

00:12:46.620 And then he said no to that question several times.

00:12:50.020 Then he showed up at my trial, sweeps to the jury box,

00:12:54.400 dressed kind of like a fat Johnny Cash, all in black, a lot of dandruff, unshaven,

00:12:59.980 and won't look me in the eye and ask the exact same question.

00:13:03.140 He says, yes, Stone raised WikiLeaks in these emails in every phone conversation we had in 2016.

00:13:10.660 And then to put a point on it, he said, I considered him the campaign's access point to WikiLeaks.

00:13:16.940 That headline bounced around CNN for a week, except the problem was it was not true.

00:13:23.120 I'd actually taken two polygraph tests that proved it was not true.

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00:14:12.980 Well, I had a blast at the Turning Point USA's America Fest in Phoenix.

00:14:18.640 I now can honestly say I've shared the stage with President Donald Trump.

00:14:24.140 I've shared the stage with RFK.

00:14:26.600 I've shared the stage with Charlie Kirk, of course.

00:14:31.280 I've shared the stage with Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, Tucker Carlson.

00:14:38.360 It is a great, great experience.

00:14:41.080 I think J.D. Vance kind of really captured the moment.

00:14:45.920 A very powerful speech, which he stressed that we conservatives and Trump supporters and

00:14:51.580 free thinkers need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and focus on a very dangerous and

00:14:56.240 lethal enemy, the progressive, vicious progressive left, the Marxist clique that has taken control

00:15:04.580 of the once great Democrat Party of patriots like John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman, that

00:15:11.280 Robert F. Kennedy Jr., all ardent anti-communists.

00:15:15.160 That Democrat Party no longer exists.

00:15:19.520 But the other big hit, of course, and I don't know a lot about rap culture, but Nicki Minaj,

00:15:26.700 who was savaged by the left because she expressed COVID-19 vaccine skepticism at the time Charlie

00:15:36.360 Kirk publicly defended her, calling out Democrats for the attacks on her.

00:15:41.460 She made a surprise appearance at Turning Point's conference in Phoenix, closing the event

00:15:47.180 with a message that cut against the grain of modern identity politics.

00:15:54.220 Minajers, young women, would be confident in who they are, reject bitterness, and start 0.99

00:15:58.100 tearing others down over background or appearance.

00:16:02.020 She had a surprise appearance where she was interviewed with Erica Kirk, who I think has conducted herself

00:16:09.200 with dignity and grace under enormous pressure in the face of the horrific murder of her husband,

00:16:17.320 has picked up his mission.

00:16:19.560 Minaj says, I don't want any child feeling that way if, as black women, we feel that we're not being

00:16:25.100 representative, not being admired for our beauty.

00:16:28.080 If we feel that, as black women, why would we want to do that to other women? 0.92

00:16:32.760 And why would we now need to make other people downplay their beauty?

00:16:36.640 I don't need somebody, she said, with blonde hair and blue eyes to downplay their beauty, 0.89

00:16:41.520 because I know my beauty.

00:16:43.320 Why have we gotten to a point where certain colors, certain kinds of people have to be afraid

00:16:47.640 of loving themselves and loving the way they look?

00:16:50.700 This is precisely what was preached by Dr. King.

00:16:56.900 It is precisely what was preached by Marcus Garvey, the early civil rights leader, which

00:17:04.020 is just, it is self-identity.

00:17:07.620 Richard Nixon wrote about it as black capitalism, the fact that African Americans wanted what all 1.00

00:17:13.400 Americans wanted, a piece of the economic pie.

00:17:16.180 That's why he started the Small Business Administration, the Office of Minority Business Enterprise.

00:17:23.240 It is why he gave us the affirmative action policies that many, many conservatives disliked,

00:17:32.360 but gave black and minority-owned businesses a leg up in federal contracting.

00:17:38.580 He also desegregated the construction trade unions nationwide.

00:17:45.020 So, Minaj really, I think, grabbed the moment there.

00:17:50.680 She's been on her ex-file, where she literally has millions of fans. 0.98

00:17:56.300 She has been a staunch defender of free speech, a staunch defender of Donald Trump, to the surprise,

00:18:08.080 I think, of many, but she is truly a superstar, and she was, I wouldn't say she eclipsed J.D. Vance,

00:18:17.820 but she certainly emerged from this conference with a lot of coverage over her very positive and upbeat message of self-responsibility,

00:18:28.000 self-reliance, patriotism, love of country.

00:18:31.660 It was really amazing to watch.

00:18:34.680 I'm Roger Stone.

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00:19:22.440 Welcome back.

00:19:23.640 You are re-entering The Stone Zone.

00:19:26.260 President Richard Nixon used to secretly watch All in the Family.

00:19:30.960 Carol O'Connor as Archie Bunker.

00:19:33.740 And the Stapleton, one of the two famous actresses playing Edith.

00:19:39.360 And, of course, Rob Reiner played the hippie liberal son of Meathead.

00:19:46.380 Trump would rail against Meathead on television.

00:19:51.800 He was mesmerized by the series, of course.

00:19:54.040 We only know this through the White House tapes.

00:19:56.360 Nixon publicly insisted that he never watched TV.

00:19:59.860 I really did not like what Rob Reiner became in his mania to destroy Donald Trump.

00:20:09.020 It went way beyond political opposition.

00:20:12.100 Nonetheless, I do not in any way celebrate his death.

00:20:16.240 The vicious killing of Rob Reiner, the famous actor, son of Carl Reiner.

00:20:20.480 One of the funniest men alive, particularly when he was teamed with Mel Brooks and the thousand-year-old man recordings.

00:20:29.640 Check those out.

00:20:30.360 And his actress wife, Michelle Reiner, may have been shaped by years of psychiatric intervention, powerful prescription drugs, which, unfortunately, appear to have warped the mind of the alleged killer, Nick Reiner.

00:20:44.960 The Reiner's son stands accused of killing both of his parents by knifing them to death.

00:20:52.000 His defense attorney, Alan Jackson, acknowledged at a press conference that the case involves some very complex and serious issues.

00:20:59.500 These issues center on a lifetime of mental illness diagnoses and drug regimens.

00:21:05.800 Reports indicate that Nick Reiner, the accused killer, spent much of his youth cycling through rehab facilities and psychiatric treatment.

00:21:13.820 A recent schizophrenia diagnosis from Nick Reiner put him on a new, powerful cocktail of different mind-bending drugs, which, according to the reports, could have caused him to totally lose touch with reality.

00:21:29.240 Many times, Big Pharma's profit-driven tendency to shove pills down our throats to everyone can backfire.

00:21:36.300 And that may have sadly been the case here with the Reiner family.

00:21:39.960 One of the unwritten stories is whenever you have any of these mass killings, these horrific mass killings, which are becoming all too common in America today,

00:21:50.520 you never see a report on how many of the killers are using psychotropic drugs.

00:21:59.560 It is a much underestimated question.

00:22:02.380 The unquestioned authority of psychiatric experts in this case say, and this is a problem in all society, facilitates, I think, the widespread use of these mind-altering drugs making giant profits for Big Pharma

00:22:20.240 when some of their side effects are still listed as unknown by regulators like the FDA.

00:22:27.380 Anti-psychotics, antidepressants, anti-anxiety medication all carry warnings for side effects, including aggression, agitation, hallucinations, emotional instability, symptoms disturbingly relevant in these violent cases.

00:22:42.880 Yet the courts routinely keep sealing the medical records and these situations that involved mass killings.

00:22:50.560 So we can't find out if that is driving some to these extraordinarily violent acts.

00:22:58.400 It is a daunting question.

00:23:03.660 I'm looking forward to these holidays.

00:23:05.560 I'm going to use the time to finish a book, a project that I have been working on for some time.

00:23:12.860 It is a book on the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan.

00:23:17.560 The book is finished.

00:23:18.360 It needs a final edit, and I have to choose cover art, and I'll probably put it up online.

00:23:24.560 But the name of the book is Bushwhacked, The Real Story of the Attempted Assassination of President Ronald Reagan.

00:23:33.580 And I do make a compelling case and document, to the extent possible, the involvement of Deep State, the Central Intelligence Agency, and, yes, Vice President George Bush.

00:23:47.380 I've been working on this for several years.

00:23:49.400 It would be nice to have the quiet to finish it, but it's nice, you know, when the phone is not ringing, President Trump is bouncing back in the polls.

00:23:59.100 This is not surprising.

00:24:00.960 It's very important when you look at polling to recognize how volatile and fluid it is in our politics today, and that in politics, we can become a lifetime.

00:24:12.340 President Trump seems now to be regaining momentum, with a new poll showing his job approval beginning to climb to a three-month high after a period of decline earlier this year.

00:24:23.440 And, therefore, those who are trying to now figure, count him out, I think, are making a horrific mistake.

00:24:29.500 I spoke to this question when I spoke in Phoenix at the terrific Turning Point event.

00:24:35.640 And that is to say, those who say, well, the 2026 elections are lost, and Trump is doomed to have two years of phony impeachments and investigations and subpoenas and witch hunts.

00:24:51.180 It's just way too early to make that decision because we don't have enough information in politics, as this poll shows.

00:24:58.800 Trump, after a round of very successful trade negotiations, moves up to the highest mark, the first time he's hit 50 since late September, but it's a nine-point net advantage approval over disapproval, which is the widest it's been since August.

00:25:19.180 This shows that things are beginning to move in the right direction.

00:25:22.200 It's important to recognize that Trump's December 17th address to the country when he released the latest inflation report caused a spike.

00:25:33.580 Inflation is down under Donald Trump.

00:25:37.420 Unemployment is down under Donald Trump.

00:25:40.680 Food prices are down under Donald Trump.

00:25:43.100 They're not down as low as they need to be.

00:25:46.560 When you ask voters how they measure their own financial strength or weakness, 33 of them speak immediately to food prices, grocery prices.

00:26:00.100 Gasoline, of course, which was the second largest concern, has dropped as a concern.

00:26:05.380 It's logical.

00:26:06.400 The cost of gasoline is dropping.

00:26:09.240 So as it is cheaper, it is less a boiling issue for the voters.

00:26:15.140 Housing is emerging as a major battleground and Donald Trump's expertise here as a homebuilder and his ability to use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and a very aggressive posture there.

00:26:30.720 He's been talking for some time about the government owns those entities.

00:26:35.520 He's been talking about taking them private, reaping huge rewards for the taxpayers, at the same time, I think, keeping control of them.

00:26:44.580 And if they can create certain mortgage vehicles that are designed for young people starting out because of a stronger economy and a better interest rate, I think we could have a sea of Trump homes across the country by the time of at least the 2028 election.

00:27:08.420 Trump is in very much the same position that Reagan was in Reagan's tax cuts and his regulatory cuts and his muscular position towards the Soviet Union, which was not inexpensive because we ended up having to spend the Russians in the ground. 0.65

00:27:24.480 They lost the arms race because they lost the arms race because they could no longer keep up with us because Trump, pardon me, Reagan rebuilt our national defenses, which had really woefully been allowed to atrophy under Jimmy Carter.

00:27:39.300 Trump and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth are doing that now.

00:27:44.660 They have done away with the DEI policies.

00:27:47.480 They have they have they have arranged for those who were forced out of the service because their refusal to take a vaccination against their will.

00:27:58.100 They have resolved that and they're rebuilding a military that's a lethal fighting force that's meant to defend the country.

00:28:08.340 There's a it's interesting that enlistments in our military are up sharply, which is versus a very long term trend.

00:28:19.460 So I still think that through the tax cuts, through the the regulatory cuts, through his trade policies, which is literally bringing in billions of dollars of capital into the government, capital that can be used for tax reduction and debt reduction, which is what conservatives are supposed to be for.

00:28:42.060 When people start getting their refund checks, that will have a very positive effect because it is a firsthand demonstration that voters are are are are in fact a very will act, I think, very positively.

00:28:58.200 Trump's focus on combating inflation, providing strong leadership on immigration, national security and fostering economic stability.

00:29:06.360 And there is no question that that the the very broad deportation policies for illegals, I think, has some political problems in that there are instances when people who are here illegally but have been here for 25 years, have been gainfully employed, have been dutifully paying taxes, have jobs and families and have never had any problem with the law are being sent out of the country.

00:29:36.180 I think you're going to get some type of backlash.

00:29:40.180 And I think that is problematic. I agree with the need to get the violent gang bangers and the criminals who have charges against them, either in this country or charges against them in the country from which they came out of the country.

00:29:52.940 I think my friend Tom Holman has done that. But the optics of rounding up Abuela is is is not positive politically.

00:30:02.820 I hope the president will examine these policies. I I recognize the desire to reduce the fact that Joe Biden had a wide open border and we probably had as many as 30 million people, 30 million.

00:30:17.820 That's what the real experts will tell you into the country.

00:30:20.820 We don't know who they are. We don't know where they are. We don't know how many of them are terrorists and the weaponry that they have brought into the country is extraordinary.

00:30:30.820 And not to mention the the social cost of fentanyl and and other heavy drugs going across our porous border during the time that that Biden was president.

00:30:44.820 The Chinese were literally making millions of dollars poisoning us. 1.00

00:30:48.820 That's what I believe the the fight in Venezuela is really about for Trump.

00:30:53.820 I mean, he says it's about the oil and he's right about them taking some of our oil rights from U.S. companies.

00:30:59.820 But it's what's far more egregious is that is Venezuela is really not a country, not the way we think of one.

00:31:05.820 This is a mafia run, a drug running, narco Marxist operation. 0.75

00:31:11.820 It is dedicated solely to that and there be they are transporting deadly drugs into the United States.

00:31:20.820 So the same deadly drugs are being sent from Honduras as well as some from Cuba in the United States.

00:31:27.820 Donald Trump's moves on Maduro above and above all are to end this deadly flow of both fentanyl,

00:31:36.820 all supplies by the Chinese and cocaine from these countries across our border.

00:31:41.820 And what ultimately happens here remains to be seen.

00:31:46.820 Trump is not a man to challenge and be trifled.

00:31:49.820 Maduro is reported ready to abandon the island, seeks safe passage.

00:31:57.820 It was reported that he asked Trump to be allowed to continue to have control of the military, which, of course, Trump said no.

00:32:05.820 So I'm Roger Stone to listen to the Stone Zone and we'll be back with more in just a minute.

00:32:12.820 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:32:20.820 Remember when the New York Post just days before the 2020 election broke an incredible story about Hunter Biden's laptop,

00:32:31.820 which, according to the paper, he had left at a repair shop in Delaware.

00:32:36.820 The repair shop owner, a man named John Paul McIsaac, turned it over to the FBI because the contents were so shocking.

00:32:46.820 They showed pornography.

00:32:49.820 They showed drugs.

00:32:50.820 But more importantly, they showed egregious pay for play and enormous payments, including apparently some reserved for his father, who was then vice president.

00:33:02.820 That, of course, would be a crime.

00:33:04.820 He's referred to as the big guy.

00:33:07.820 Most of those stories were broken by Miranda Devine of the New York Post, who's a great reporter and a great lady. 0.97

00:33:14.820 But Hunter Biden viciously attacked her weeks ago or days ago, I should say, in the New York Post.

00:33:22.820 Now Hunter Biden is back at it again.

00:33:26.820 He did a podcast interview with the former CIA contractor, Sean Ryan's very popular. 0.95

00:33:32.820 And this guy is truly demented.

00:33:35.820 We once again attempt to dismiss the infamous laptop stories reported by the New York Post in October 2020 as in claiming in some convoluted way that the laptop was fabricated, insisting that while a physical laptop may exist, 0.62

00:33:51.820 the data was allegedly stitched together from years of emails by foreign actors and political operatives.

00:33:58.820 All of this is disproven.

00:33:59.820 You can go to Marco Polo dot org.

00:34:02.820 Marco Polo dot org is a nonprofit organization that has meticulously preserved and footnoted the entire earth of Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:34:15.820 It is shocking in terms of the number of state and federal crimes revealed.

00:34:20.820 I believe that that that Garrett Ziegler and the folks at Marco Polo dot org have evidence of direct crimes of about one hundred and fifty eight.

00:34:34.820 I believe it's state and federal crimes.

00:34:37.820 It is really incredible that that he's doing this media tour trying to claim once again that the laptop was not his despite multiple forensic analysis, sworn testimony, federal investigations that have now completely and authenticated the laptop's contents.

00:34:58.820 The Democrats, the Democrats, as you recall, were desperate to to make sure this story died quickly.

00:35:04.820 Fifty one current or former intelligence officers organized by Mike Morrell, who at that point was working for the Central Intelligence, co-signed a letter, all of which they knew was false, claiming that there was some evidence that Hunter Biden's laptop was a fabrication.

00:35:23.820 Indeed, Russian disinformation, indeed, Russian disinformation, they said it had all of the hallmarks of it.

00:35:29.820 It had none of the hallmarks of it because it was 100 percent real.

00:35:33.820 Hunter Biden's lawyer, Abby Lowell, actually sent me a letter demanding I preserve any information or evidence that I have regarding the laptop, including communications with Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon and others.

00:35:51.820 I have no such communications.

00:35:54.820 I I I learned about the story on the New York in the New York Post and the shocking story is by Miranda Devine, who broke most of this and some also some good coverage of it over at Breitbart dot news.

00:36:10.820 But Hunter Biden was allowed to walk out on a 15 million dollar tax debt.

00:36:16.820 He and I both had our tangles with the IRS.

00:36:19.820 But in his case, I reported every penny to them.

00:36:22.820 I reported all my assets to them.

00:36:24.820 I simply could not pay.

00:36:25.820 And I owe the IRS a large amount of taxes and I paid paying them down.

00:36:31.820 I probably will for the rest of my life.

00:36:33.820 But in his case, he failed to report.

00:36:36.820 That's tax evasion.

00:36:37.820 He failed to report 15 million dollars of income.

00:36:40.820 The U.S. attorney in Delaware, who was a loyal Democrat, let that very serious charge expire.

00:36:47.820 So this whole Roger Stone and Hunter Biden are being treated differently.

00:36:52.820 He he committed a crime.

00:36:54.820 I committed no crime other than the crime of running out of money because I was it was economically and financially destroyed in the Mueller investigation.

00:37:05.820 I mean, we lost our home, our car, our savings, our insurance, my ability to continue to make an income and support my wife and I.

00:37:15.820 So I Hunter Biden now just these these pictures.

00:37:19.820 When you go to get this book from Marco Polo dot org, the the more raunchy pictures will be pixelated out.

00:37:28.820 So it is suitable to have around the house.

00:37:31.820 You have to worry about children seeing it.

00:37:33.820 Anyway, that's it for Hunter Biden.

00:37:35.820 I can't believe this guy's not in jail.

00:37:37.820 But remember, he got a full and complete pardon and his pardon was not done by auto pen.

00:37:42.820 It was so it was signed by the man that CIA director called a veritable vegetable Joe Biden.

00:37:50.820 You've been listening to the Roger Stone Zone show here.

00:37:54.820 This is the Stone Zone.

00:37:55.820 Thanks for joining us.

00:37:56.820 And we look forward to these Christmas holidays together.

00:38:01.820 The the writing of the lighting of the tree at Rockefeller Center, followed by dinner at the 21 Club used to be my favorite thing about being a New Yorker at Christmas time.

00:38:13.820 We'll see you tomorrow.

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