The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - September 01, 2026


The Whistleblower's Last Walk & Tish James's Paper Trail

Mayor Moron Strikes Again The White House and the Deep State War

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00:01:43.500 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:01:47.280 People love him and respect him.
00:01:48.760 Roger Stone.
00:01:50.040 Now, get in the zone.
00:01:51.960 It's the Stone Zone.
00:01:54.000 Here's Roger Stone.
00:01:56.980 Welcome to the Stone Zone, and thank you for joining us tonight.
00:02:04.360 We enter the Stone Zone tonight on a sad note.
00:02:08.620 Allison Guerrero, who was both a researcher and a co-producer of the Stone Zone,
00:02:14.840 was also the mistress and whistleblower who helped bring down the jailed and corrupt FBI counterintelligence chief Charles McGonagall,
00:02:25.480 died suddenly at her home in South Florida
00:02:28.700 this past Thursday.
00:02:31.520 Allison Guerrero, 52,
00:02:33.860 passed away hours after sharing a flurry
00:02:36.820 of almost 75 posts on X on Thursday,
00:02:40.660 including a video of herself
00:02:42.580 walking in the streets demanding a spotlight
00:02:45.280 on other FBI officials that she believed
00:02:48.400 were corrupt but remained unprosecuted.
00:02:52.220 See, these were part of an unrelenting, 0.91
00:02:54.580 years-long campaign, which Allison often conducted on social media against the married McGonagall,
00:03:01.980 58, and her personal war against other senior figures within the FBI who she believed were
00:03:09.640 guilty of crimes but went unprosecuted. Allison Guerrero was an extraordinary woman, a close
00:03:16.500 friend of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Trump stalwart, and we know that she died
00:03:23.440 sometime in the evening of August 27th, which was my birthday.
00:03:27.560 I actually received a text from her hours before she passed away,
00:03:34.480 and she seemed upbeat and her usually ebullient and kind of mischievous self.
00:03:40.920 She was a work colleague.
00:03:42.780 She was a valuable contributor here to the Stone Zone.
00:03:46.800 She was an extraordinary writer and researcher,
00:03:49.320 and she particularly helped me on my site, Stone Swank, where I talk about men's fashion.
00:03:56.640 It was her 18-month affair with Charles McGonigal, the treacherous former head of the FBI counterintelligence in New York,
00:04:04.480 which helped blow the lid on McGonigal's crimes, which included secretly working for and taking massive payments
00:04:12.480 from the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.
00:04:16.120 McGonagall is now serving a six years and six months sentence in federal prison
00:04:22.020 but Allison Guerrero always believed that he should have received a harsher sentence
00:04:27.040 he should have been charged not just with bribery but with treason
00:04:30.760 I agree with that 0.80
00:04:32.620 you know on the day of her death she posted a selfie video of herself strolling in her relatively new hometown of Boynton Beach, Florida
00:04:41.480 saying hey good morning everybody friends and enemies
00:04:45.720 Of course, I'm in the middle of all of my PTSD from 9-11, but I'm actually breathing a huge sigh of relief.
00:04:55.000 She said in this video, which I saw, here's the problem with Charles McGonagall.
00:05:00.300 You know his name, but you never did before this.
00:05:04.020 You know who Jim Comey is, the former corrupt FBI agent.
00:05:07.960 You know Christopher Wray's name.
00:05:09.980 All the names you already know, you know, but you don't start looking for the names that you don't know. 0.83
00:05:15.720 She's exactly right about that. McGonagall's sentence continues to be reduced for reasons I, frankly, don't understand.
00:05:24.860 I spoke with Allison's father in Florham Park, New Jersey. He has told the media that we do not yet know the cause of death or the circumstances.
00:05:38.400 And yes, that does kind of bother me.
00:05:41.820 We're still getting, all of us, waiting to get access to the police report and the autopsy report,
00:05:47.980 which under Florida law will all be a matter of public record.
00:05:52.760 We're hoping that they issue a death certificate within the next day or two
00:05:55.860 so we can get Allison home for a proper burial and she can be put to rest.
00:06:03.080 I spoke to her father. He said it could have been an accident.
00:06:06.260 She could have slipped. Could have been anything. We're just waiting for a certificate so we know
00:06:12.020 what happened. The police responded at 8.03 Thursday to her apartment in Boynton Beach.
00:06:18.800 Police are awaiting information now from the medical examiner's office. She was a very close
00:06:24.200 friend of mine. I heard from her by text on that very day she passed away and she was in excellent
00:06:30.240 Spirits. Our conversation was work-related. She was working on a piece for me that I used in my
00:06:37.640 show only yesterday here in the Stone Zone. Allison Guerrero was a brilliant researcher 0.66
00:06:43.520 and writer with an excellent knowledge of both law enforcement and our intelligence capabilities.
00:06:49.640 And frankly, she had a wide network of contacts. She was widely respected and beloved in that world.
00:06:56.040 She had moved to Florida, I guess, three years ago.
00:06:59.560 She was a cancer survivor.
00:07:01.420 She also battled severe and permanent injuries following a horrific house fire.
00:07:06.960 But see, here's the thing.
00:07:08.800 She was a devout Roman Catholic.
00:07:11.440 She was always trying to get me to go to Latin Mass with her.
00:07:14.880 She was, above all, an optimist. 0.89
00:07:16.740 She had boundless energy, given her various health problems.
00:07:20.980 She had overcome great adversity.
00:07:23.380 So therefore, I completely and totally discount the idea of suicide.
00:07:27.300 There's no doubt that she would never take her own life. 0.82
00:07:30.360 She was much too devout a Roman Catholic. 0.90
00:07:32.780 She simply would not do that. 1.00
00:07:35.280 She overcame that adversity, and frankly, I'm going to miss her tremendously.
00:07:39.780 She was obviously still very unhappy about the fact that Charles McGonagall should have been charged with treason,
00:07:45.980 but instead was only charged with taking bribes.
00:07:48.340 She was very aggravated about that to the very end.
00:07:50.880 And while the cause of death is unknown publicly, there are other sources who have hinted at possible darker reasons, and there's reason for that.
00:07:59.580 Allison Guerrero was being threatened by people online.
00:08:02.660 Those same people were threatening me, also threatening my colleague Michael Caputo, my long-standing colleague who worked with me in several presidential campaigns, including those of President Donald Trump.
00:08:15.180 She was getting a lot of threats by people online for her outspoken views,
00:08:19.360 so there is no question that she had enemies.
00:08:22.500 Yet, since she moved to Florida, she'd been the happiest I'd ever seen her.
00:08:26.720 I actually met her in Elaine's, the famous saloon watering hole on New York's Upper East Side.
00:08:33.180 Back in the 80s, we'd been casual friends since then,
00:08:36.880 but she'd come to work here in the Stone Zone more recently,
00:08:41.040 And as I said earlier, she was an extraordinarily bright and effective researcher and writer.
00:08:47.600 She was treating herself very well.
00:08:49.800 She was walking up every morning, exercising, eating right.
00:08:53.720 It was on those morning walks that she would often dictate the early pieces of research for that day's Stone Zone broadcast.
00:09:03.980 The Boynton Police Department says they're doing far from over.
00:09:06.960 the journalist and former editor-in-chief of the New York Observer
00:09:11.140 Ken Kirsten said of Alison Guerrero in a Facebook
00:09:14.880 post, I've never met anyone like her
00:09:18.660 I can use adjectives to describe her, she was loyal, chaotic 0.97
00:09:23.340 irreplaceable, occasionally even brilliant
00:09:26.540 to that I would add she was extraordinarily funny, very talkative
00:09:31.340 sometimes I would have to say to her two words, talk less
00:09:36.280 But Ken Kirsten's words failed to capture someone who so boundlessly loved her family
00:09:41.280 and hundreds of friends, supported them so intensely that her critics became Allison's enemies,
00:09:47.560 their struggles and hopes and aspirations her own.
00:09:50.480 Like Ken Kirsten, I am bereft, I'm shell-shocked by her passing.
00:09:55.440 She was a former vice president of U.S. operations for an Israeli security firm, Mifram, while working in New York.
00:10:03.120 She first met McGonagall in the spring of 2017 as a volunteer for the Federal Enforcement Homeland Security Foundation charity.
00:10:11.960 It was then that the $200,000 a year FBI official ruled her over dinner, claiming that he was going through a divorce with his wife, Pamela, who he called a nag and insisted that their marriage was essentially over.
00:10:25.540 His family home was in Chevy Chase, Maryland, but he lived in a sublet apartment in Park Slope, Brooklyn, following his 2016 New York appointment by then-FBI Director James Comey. 0.98
00:10:38.360 In the three years before her death, Alison Guerrero was spilling on McGonagall's treachery. I think she went to Washington as a whistleblower. She provided testimony, but she mostly spoke to the media, and I, for one, found everything she said to be true and accurate. 0.98
00:10:56.880 She actually confessed that she first had sex with the married McGonagall,
00:11:01.360 who she believed was divorcing in the back of a black Ford Explorer, a government SUV,
00:11:07.760 after she showed him where she went to high school in Florham Park, New Jersey.
00:11:13.500 Shortly afterward, Guerrero moved into the Park Slope apartment,
00:11:17.680 believing that the veteran spook had separated from his wife, Pamela,
00:11:21.660 and was in the process of getting a divorce.
00:11:25.140 He did say that Pamela was an excellent mother, but the marriage was dead, and they were both moving on.
00:11:30.900 The former mistress added, I don't know if he was actually separated from his wife.
00:11:35.320 I wish I knew, but I don't know what to confess.
00:11:38.780 She actually said to me, my priest is so sick of hearing me confess adultery that I don't really know if I committed adultery because, well, I didn't know the truth.
00:11:47.640 So while we were together, McGonagall flaunted his relationship with Allison Guerrero, taking her into the FBI's main office in Manhattan, into what she would later tell me was the Kings of New York floor, introducing her around as his girlfriend.
00:12:02.780 Seems like everyone knew that McGonagall was married, but Allison, he cleverly masked signs of his overall treachery, passing off any outward clues as part of his role.
00:12:15.320 He even took a trip to Albania during their relationship. That was in 2017. At one point, asked Guerrero to accompany him to meet a sanctioned metals magnate. That was Oleg Deripaska, a crony of Vladimir Putin, a man who was today sanctioned by the United States government.
00:12:33.460 It was early in October that Guerrero discovered that McGonagall had received an $80,000 payment from a former Albanian intelligence associate in a parked car outside a New York restaurant.
00:12:50.680 This was, as I understand it, a payment from Deripaska.
00:12:55.560 Guerrero cannot recall anything that happened that night.
00:12:58.100 They were out. It would point to anything other than the fact that this was a payoff.
00:13:03.460 She was an amazingly brilliant and hardworking person, a woman with a great sense of optimism, a great sense of humor, someone who rolled with the punches, someone who had overcome great adversity.
00:13:17.200 I can't even begin to tell you how much I will miss her.
00:13:20.280 I can't even begin to tell you how much I loved her as a person.
00:13:23.620 I can't even begin to tell you how much she contributed to our success here in the Stone Zone.
00:13:29.680 and I'm not prepared to rule out
00:13:32.940 the possibility of fair play.
00:13:34.840 I have no evidence of that.
00:13:36.140 I have no proof of it
00:13:37.100 but I'm waiting for a police report
00:13:38.920 and I want to know more.
00:13:40.840 I do know she was being threatened
00:13:42.240 by those online.
00:13:43.840 Those same people were threatening me.
00:13:45.760 I reported that to the local police.
00:13:48.060 I believe she did the same.
00:13:50.000 Allison Guerrero,
00:13:51.820 patriot, valued colleague,
00:13:54.540 whistleblower,
00:13:55.900 devout Roman Catholic
00:13:56.920 and dear friend,
00:13:58.100 may you rest in peace you're listening to the stone zone i'm roger stone and we'll be right back
00:14:04.320 this is the stone zone with roger stone he likes politics and he's a professional
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00:14:28.100 this is the stone zone with roger stone roger stone who's a very very one of the smartest
00:14:39.600 political minds roger stone was persecuted people forget he's actually a brilliant brilliant
00:14:44.380 political analyst now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
00:14:51.020 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:14:55.800 Remember earlier this year when the New York Attorney General, Teacher James,
00:15:01.900 was rightfully charged with mortgage fraud based entirely on a documents case.
00:15:07.320 That case was referred to the Department of Justice by Bill Pulte,
00:15:10.800 the head of the Federal Housing and Finance Agency,
00:15:15.020 based entirely on documents that are a matter of public record
00:15:18.620 that anyone with a laptop can find.
00:15:21.720 That case was dismissed on its technicality,
00:15:24.760 never went to trial.
00:15:27.120 They claim that the prosecutor in that case,
00:15:30.200 Lindsay Halligan, was improperly appointed.
00:15:32.820 Three federal judges are wrong about that, by the way.
00:15:36.820 And Letitia James said that that case
00:15:39.660 was about revenge and retaliation,
00:15:41.360 when in fact it was actually about accountability and justice.
00:15:45.400 Now, an email has leaked from the New York Attorney General's office that proves that it was James who was on a campaign to political weaponization and harassment against Donald Trump.
00:15:58.780 When we come back, Sam Antar, the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com,
00:16:05.160 who has done more than anyone else to document that 20-year-plus record of mortgage fraud
00:16:12.120 in the case of Letitia James.
00:16:13.660 Going to talk to us about that.
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00:18:42.400 In the meantime, August 27th, last Thursday, was a birthday I share with President Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:18:50.060 I rather appreciate that because my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, is more of a personal portrait of Lyndon Johnson, a man who conducted senior White House staff meetings while seated on the toilet.
00:19:03.760 But Lyndon Johnson is, of course, a lifelong segregationist who, as the majority leader of the U.S. Senate, killed every piece of civil rights, open housing, Voting Rights Act in the 1950s.
00:19:18.480 In the 1958 Civil Rights Act bill, the first major piece of civil rights legislation to pass since the Civil War, Johnson, who never put his name on the bill, managed to insert a poison pill amendment that said that any U.S. citizen who violated that law would be tried before a state, not a federal grand jury.
00:19:39.360 Well, no jury in Georgia or Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana would convict any white man of a crime against a black man.
00:19:48.580 I'm convinced, by the way, that the reason he told John F. Kennedy to delay any action on civil rights until his second term was so he could reserve that opportunity for himself.
00:20:00.620 I think he did it to give himself cover on the left so he could go deeper into Vietnam, where he and Lady Bird Johnson held millions of dollars worth of Bell helicopter and other defense stocks, and they literally made millions of dollars off the Vietnam War.
00:20:17.980 It was Lyndon Johnson who ordered the opaque plastic bubble top removed from John F. Kennedy's limousine in Dallas that day in 1963.
00:20:29.640 It was Lyndon Johnson who insisted that the presidential motorcade, which was going from the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport to the Merchandise Mart, both outside the city of Dallas, dip into the city of Dallas and go through Daly Plaza, where, in violation of the civil service, secret service manual, the car came to a full stop.
00:20:53.520 And, of course, John F. Kennedy was brutally murdered.
00:20:56.760 I believe that the shooter from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building was one, Malcolm Mack Wallace.
00:21:05.060 Wallace had been convicted of first-degree murder in 1951.
00:21:09.180 He left his fingerprints in the so-called crow's nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.
00:21:16.040 But here's the thing. He was working at the U.S. Agriculture Department in a job arranged for him by Senator Lyndon Baines Johnson. When stopped by the police, he said, and I quote, you can't arrest me. I work for Lyndon Johnson.
00:21:33.320 Yes, it was a conspiracy that involved the CIA, the mob, and big Texas oil, but LBJ had a unique relationship with all of them.
00:21:42.800 How ironic that he and I would be born on the same date, but not the same day.
00:21:48.260 I'm Roger Stone. We'll be right back.
00:21:50.260 Spill the beans.
00:21:51.460 I'm Letitia James.
00:22:03.320 this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone a man who's gone through hell
00:22:13.140 but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him not everybody but
00:22:19.500 people love him and respect him roger stone where's roger stone here's roger stone
00:22:25.040 welcome back into the stone zone remember when new york attorney general leticia james
00:22:31.720 was referred to the U.S. Justice Department
00:22:35.500 by the head of the Federal Housing and Finance Agency, Bill Pulte,
00:22:39.900 for mortgage fraud, a case that was completely proven
00:22:43.060 by the all-public documents, multiple cases of mortgage fraud.
00:22:48.340 That case was ultimately dismissed out of technicality.
00:22:51.240 It never went to trial because three left-wing federal judges
00:22:55.440 claimed falsely that the prosecutor in the case, Lindsay Holligan,
00:23:00.820 and had been improperly appointed.
00:23:03.320 They're wrong about that.
00:23:04.660 That ultimately will also be overturned on appeal.
00:23:07.380 But at the time, James screamed and hollered
00:23:10.160 that this was about retaliation and revenge,
00:23:14.000 when in fact it was about accountability and justice.
00:23:19.200 Bill Pote, one of President Trump's very best appointees,
00:23:22.280 going by the book and acting on the basis of documentary evidence.
00:23:27.060 Now, Letitia James has been exposed by one of her own.
00:23:30.060 A New York prosecutor by the name of Daniel Wiesenfeld dropped a bombshell email to hundreds of his colleagues inside the attorney general's office,
00:23:39.780 which he said that his boss ordered him to find and pursue crimes against Donald Trump.
00:23:46.240 Zero credible evidence to start with, of course.
00:23:49.120 Not investigate actual crimes.
00:23:51.320 Target political enemies first.
00:23:53.400 Invent the charges later.
00:23:55.240 Wiesenfeld called it exactly what it is. 1.00
00:23:57.400 James is using taxpayer dollars to hunt her opponents while adoring real problems like homeless shelter fraud and anti-Semitic attacks on synagogues.
00:24:07.680 Then the email suddenly, incredibly vanished.
00:24:11.180 This is according to both the Albany Times Union, No One's Idea of a Conservative Newspaper, and of course the great Miranda Devine, one of the best investigative reporters in the country, writing for the New York Post.
00:24:24.320 This is a classic. The email measly vanishes. Servers are scrubbed. Inboxes are wiped. James' office puts the whistleblower on paid leave and claims it's all just a personnel matter. Classic.
00:24:38.660 This is the same Letitia James who campaigned openly in 2018 promising to prosecute Donald Trump.
00:24:46.440 She, as many will remember, delivered a $360 million civil judgment against Trump that an appeals court later knocked down.
00:24:54.820 Now one of her very own prosecutors says the playbook never changed.
00:24:59.940 Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
00:25:02.900 Joining us now to break this entire turn of events down is Sam Antar. Sam Antar has kind of an interesting history of his own. He was charged in one of the greatest major security fraud schemes in history.
00:25:20.880 He did his time, and he has reinvented himself as a whistleblower, an expert of forensic accounting.
00:25:29.020 By the way, he's a Democrat. He's not a Trump supporter.
00:25:32.860 He runs a great website called whitecollarfraud.com,
00:25:37.400 and he's documented the many, many examples of mortgage fraud by Letitia James, and he joins us now.
00:25:46.320 Sam, welcome in to the Stone Zone.
00:25:48.460 Thank you for having me on, Roger.
00:25:50.880 So, Sam, I'm going to sit back here a little bit and let you tell people what happened.
00:25:55.940 This is quite a blockbuster story because it proves that Bill Pulte was right, proves that you were right.
00:26:04.480 This idea that you're some kind of Republican and that you were somehow directed to these public disclosures by Republicans.
00:26:12.320 I know you. You're a liberal Democrat.
00:26:15.380 You call them as you see them.
00:26:16.840 But this incredible email just suddenly pops up and then it disappears.
00:26:22.700 How coincidental.
00:26:24.940 Well, there are two stories here.
00:26:27.400 The first story is whether it was politically motivated.
00:26:31.480 And I can tell you it wasn't because I discovered the mortgage fraud, initially discovered the mortgage fraud.
00:26:37.560 Other people did additional work like John Gilbert.
00:26:40.280 I initially discovered the mortgage fraud with Patricia James, as I was writing about her campaign finance expense excesses.
00:26:51.080 In other words, one thing led to the other.
00:26:53.860 I had to follow my blog.
00:26:54.920 You can see I was blogging about her earlier, and then I morphosized or I evolved into her personal finances.
00:27:02.640 Now, when this thing hit the press, all of a sudden Tish James is saying that it's politically motivated.
00:27:13.140 I'm a Democrat. I really don't like Donald Trump. Actually, I can't stand him.
00:27:17.560 So I agree with some of his policies, but then again, I agree with some of everybody's policies.
00:27:21.740 Nobody's 100% right or 100% wrong on any issue.
00:27:25.160 And what they did was they started investigating Bill Pulte, the DOJ, and Congressman Robert Garcia sends a letter using congressional letterhead saying that Saul sends from Sam Anta, a fringe right-wing blogger, and we demand all the communications between Anta and Pulte.
00:27:46.480 In which I respond, okay, bring me to Congress. I'll tell you everything you want to know. Just let the cameras roll when I'm talking. And let's exchange it next to me.
00:27:55.160 So this is what was going on. They were trying to obscure the argument. They were trying to distract from the argument and say that this is politically motivated without actually answering the charges.
00:28:07.660 Now, here's the thing. Even if I am a Republican, even if I am currently a criminal, that does not absolve Letitia James from what she did.
00:28:18.820 Even if it was politically motivated, which it wasn't, it does not absolve Letitia James from what she did.
00:28:26.720 Her signature is on 13 mortgages that contain false misrepresentations, false information.
00:28:35.680 Now, when we get to the second story is the e-mail itself.
00:28:39.880 The government cannot just delete e-mails.
00:28:42.660 There are retention policies.
00:28:44.500 There are laws that guard information from being, I'll call it, deep six, making it disappear.
00:28:51.380 That e-mail appeared on the screen of 2,000 employees within her agency.
00:29:01.580 Therefore, okay, it was sent out.
00:29:04.460 Now, according to my sources, there's an actual screenshot of the email before it disappeared.
00:29:11.780 Now, the question is, if the email was taken down, was it scrubbed from the server or was it stolen the server?
00:29:19.080 And if it was scrubbed from the server, who ordered that to be scrubbed from the server?
00:29:26.400 So there are questions that have to be answered.
00:29:28.520 Number one is, why was the email taken down?
00:29:30.920 was the email scrubbed from the server and who ordered the email to be scrubbed from the server
00:29:36.440 or to be taken down this is a violation of new york state law you just can't just you know throw 0.94
00:29:43.840 something into the trash can and say forget about it you make an excellent point here uh she ran for
00:29:53.020 the office of attorney general vowing to get donald trump uh her colleague alvin alvin bragg
00:29:59.840 actually said something very similar,
00:30:02.980 demonstrating that the prosecution of Trump
00:30:05.060 in three outrageous New York trials
00:30:07.140 were the height of lawfare,
00:30:09.680 that along with the efforts to keep him off the ballot,
00:30:12.740 an effort to, in the valuations case,
00:30:16.300 absurd to say that the Palatio Mar-a-Lago estate and club
00:30:19.740 is only worth $18 million.
00:30:21.720 Please give me a break.
00:30:23.640 The E. Jean Carroll case, which is even more absurd,
00:30:27.560 pretty clear that Carol perjured herself
00:30:30.460 when she said she was receiving
00:30:32.160 no financial assistance
00:30:33.380 during that trial
00:30:37.040 when the facts now prove
00:30:38.920 that that was not the case
00:30:41.120 and then of course the bragged
00:30:43.320 the hush money case
00:30:44.660 where Michael Cohen
00:30:46.100 has actually come on
00:30:46.960 these very same airwaves
00:30:48.220 and now says that his testimony
00:30:50.160 in that matter was false
00:30:52.760 that he was pressured into saying
00:30:54.700 the things that he said
00:30:56.560 So the entire lawfare tsunami against Donald Trump has systematically fallen apart in New York.
00:31:04.640 And now Letitia James is, I think, completely exposed.
00:31:09.140 No, it's not about retaliation and revenge.
00:31:11.580 It's about justice and accountability.
00:31:14.660 Here's the other great irony, and you know this, Sam.
00:31:17.220 Letitia James has herself prosecuted people for the exact same crime that she was charged in the Eastern District of Virginia with.
00:31:30.960 She herself has prosecuted people for this crime.
00:31:34.160 So to say that it is not a crime or a manufactured crime or politically motivated, all that is completely false.
00:31:42.540 In this case, all you have to do is follow the documents.
00:31:47.220 The mortgage, one mortgage says that the property had four units when it actually had five units, okay?
00:31:54.920 That appears about 10 times over 20 years.
00:31:59.320 Four units versus five units.
00:32:01.220 Why the difference?
00:32:02.540 Because if it was five units, okay, she represented that it was five units instead of four, she would have paid a higher interest rate, higher insurance, and also had to make a larger down payment.
00:32:15.460 Then there was one where she represented to the bank that she was going to make Virginia her primary residence.
00:32:24.200 She never did it. 0.98
00:32:25.740 She never made it.
00:32:26.660 This was during the Donald Trump trial.
00:32:29.360 Not during, right before the Donald Trump trial where she made that representation.
00:32:34.380 On and on and on.
00:32:36.380 All you've got to do is look at the signature, look at the representation,
00:32:40.480 and then look at the documents that are supposed to back up the representation
00:32:44.820 And you will see the documents, the documents conflict with what she had represented in her mortgages.
00:32:53.720 It's a simple, open and shut case.
00:32:56.740 It doesn't matter if Donald Trump targeted her, which he did not in this case.
00:33:02.040 And I take it as an info.
00:33:03.300 I, as a citizen of the United States of America, a whistleblower, that's what I do for a living.
00:33:08.840 I was the one that exposed it.
00:33:10.620 Not Donald Trump.
00:33:11.780 I have no idea how people would think that I have anything to do with him.
00:33:15.960 I have nothing to do with him.
00:33:18.440 Well, you told me you didn't vote for him, so I certainly believe you.
00:33:23.080 This is a strange...
00:33:24.780 I'm a Democrat. 0.66
00:33:26.540 I follow you.
00:33:28.220 This is an extraordinary turn of events for Letitia James,
00:33:32.320 who may have thought that she was in the clear.
00:33:34.940 I think the statute of limitations on these crimes has not run.
00:33:38.960 I still believe that she could and should be charged
00:33:42.420 because we can't have a two-tiered justice system
00:33:46.580 in which some people can engage in mortgage fraud
00:33:49.280 and other people cannot.
00:33:52.260 What's really amazing to me is the Albany Times Union,
00:33:55.080 which, folks, I'm going to be honest with you,
00:33:57.180 perhaps the worst newspaper in America,
00:33:59.320 certainly one of the most left-leaning,
00:34:01.160 broke this story, but then the great Miranda Devine,
00:34:04.160 one of the best investigative reporters in the country,
00:34:06.980 has a terrific column up on it now, which I commend you to read.
00:34:12.600 It is an amazing turn of events.
00:34:17.120 Perhaps Letitia James thought she was in the clear.
00:34:19.940 It does not appear that way to me.
00:34:21.740 Now, whether the Justice Department will choose to re-indict her,
00:34:26.320 which they certainly could do, 0.93
00:34:28.060 look, many people thought that Lindsay Halligan,
00:34:30.980 who was appointed the acting U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia
00:34:35.420 when President Donald Trump learned that the sitting U.S. attorney
00:34:40.080 had an egregious conflict of interest in the James Comey case,
00:34:44.000 never disclosed that his father-in-law was the godfather to Comey's daughters,
00:34:51.920 never disclosed his father-in-law had been a personal attorney for James Comey.
00:34:56.440 He was removed from that position, technically resigned,
00:34:59.820 but he resigned ahead of being fired.
00:35:02.320 And Lindsay Halligan, who was a Trump loyalist and a very fine attorney, because she was once a beauty pageant queen, people had the idea that she wasn't bright. That was idiotic. She was a brilliant lawyer. Took the case to a grand jury. The grand jury issued an indictment. So much for the idea that this is all bogus. 1.00
00:35:22.840 As you point out, this is a documents case. This is not a testimony case. This is a documents case, and the documents prove that Letitia James should have been prosecuted, and this was only short-circuited by three federal judges who I think went out of their way violating both the canon of ethics and in the law to knock out the prosecutor rather than have this case go to trial.
00:35:47.920 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Sam Antar. He is the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com, where you can find documentation of everything we're talking about today.
00:35:59.300 But the breaking news here is that an email from a top prosecutor in Letitia James' own office points out that he was told very specifically to target Donald Trump for a crime, any crime, without evidence of the crime to go along with it.
00:36:19.680 You're listening to The Stone Zone. I'm Roger Stone. We'll be right back on the other side with more of Sam Antar.
00:36:25.500 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone. 0.97
00:36:30.100 And he's a great, great person, Roger Stone.
00:36:33.900 The Stone Zone.
00:36:51.780 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:36:55.500 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.
00:36:59.520 Roger Stone was persecuted.
00:37:00.760 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.
00:37:03.640 Now, get in the zone.
00:37:05.660 It's the Stone Zone.
00:37:07.660 Here's Roger Stone.
00:37:11.800 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:37:14.280 I want to remind you, you only have six more days before Labor Day,
00:37:18.440 six more days to wear your Dupioni silk, your seersucker, your madras,
00:37:24.080 your two-toned spectator shoes or your white bucks, your Optimo Panama hat,
00:37:30.960 and all the other great accoutrements of men's summer wear.
00:37:34.900 Maybe it's just me, but this is my favorite time of year, sartorially.
00:37:40.360 Before you know it, we'll all be wearing overcoats.
00:37:43.740 And I prefer mine to be double-breasted camel hair, but that's a different question.
00:37:47.960 We're also mourning the loss of Alison Guerrero, a valued colleague, a contributor right here at the Stone Zone, who died surprisingly and suddenly this past Thursday.
00:38:00.620 The headline in the UK Daily Mail says she died mysteriously.
00:38:06.500 I tend to agree with that. 0.65
00:38:08.300 We're waiting for a police report and an autopsy to tell us more.
00:38:13.060 But right now we're talking to Sam Antar because Letitia James, New York Attorney General, and her defenders who scream constantly about weaponizing justice every time the Trump Justice Department looks their way, have now been busted because an email has leaked from one of her top prosecutors, one Daniel Wiesenfeld, in which it is very clear that he was directed by his superiors to find something, anything, against Donald.
00:38:43.060 Trump. The hypocrisy here is staggering. We both know. We all know. If a Republican attorney general
00:38:49.540 orders staff to manufacture cases against Democrats, the fake news media would be screaming
00:38:55.460 fascism around the clock. Instead, what we have today is silence. Ironic, as I said earlier,
00:39:02.140 that the story was broken by the Albany Times Union, conceivably one of the worst newspapers
00:39:07.880 in America. But a great column by Miranda Devine, the great investigative reporter at the New York
00:39:15.620 Post, who really broke the Hunter Biden laptop story. That column, Miranda Devine's Attorney
00:39:22.640 General Letitia James turns an evil eye on Trump and a blind eye to New York crime. I highly commend
00:39:28.740 that piece to you if you haven't read it already. We've got about three minutes. I want to wrap up
00:39:33.660 here with Sam Antar. Sam Antar is the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com. He is
00:39:41.700 not a Republican, not a conservative, not a Trump supporter. He is an investigative journalist at
00:39:47.740 this point, a forensic accountant, and a brilliant guy who did the underlying research that proved
00:39:53.700 that Letitia James was, without any question, guilty of the very same type of mortgage fraud
00:39:59.000 that she prosecuted average New Yorkers for.
00:40:02.900 Bill Pote, the head of the Federal Housing Finance Agency,
00:40:06.900 correctly and rightly referred that to the Department of Justice for prosecution 0.99
00:40:10.640 because, well, Letitia James should be held to the same standard as everyone else.
00:40:16.560 The case was dismissed, essentially, because of a technicality,
00:40:19.840 never went to trial, so she has not been vindicated.
00:40:23.340 But this shocking development proves that she has turned her office into a partisan political hit squad.
00:40:33.720 Reasonfall's email here is one of the rare cracks in the wall.
00:40:37.920 New Yorkers should demand the full truth, not another cover-up.
00:40:41.140 Forget paid leave. 1.00
00:40:43.120 Letitia James has spent years abusing her power. 1.00
00:40:45.800 Now I think the bill is coming due.
00:40:48.200 We've got about a minute to finish here, Sam.
00:40:50.200 Your final thoughts.
00:40:51.220 When I used to teach law enforcement about fraud, whether it's the FBI, the IRS, and any other three-letter agency, I used to teach them that the distraction was more important than the lie.
00:41:05.440 Because if you can distract, you never have to explain the lie.
00:41:10.820 This is a document's case.
00:41:12.900 All you need to do is look at the four corners of the documents.
00:41:16.260 Like you said earlier, there's no testimony needed.
00:41:19.380 The documents speak for herself and the fingerprints are all over it.
00:41:24.460 Everything else you hear about whether it's politically motivated and everything else is noise designed to distract you from getting to the truth.
00:41:35.200 That's all it is.
00:41:36.620 That's what criminals do.
00:41:38.360 The distraction is always more important than the lie.
00:41:43.260 Very, very well put.
00:41:45.540 Yet another example of two-tier justice. 0.99
00:41:48.460 It remains to be seen whether the Justice Department will re-indict Letitia James.
00:41:53.020 I'm praying that they do so.
00:41:54.260 We have a new Attorney General.
00:41:55.660 I have high hopes that he will do that.
00:41:58.460 He certainly still has the authority to do it.
00:42:00.960 This does fall within the statute of limitations.
00:42:03.880 I want to thank my guest, Sam Antar.
00:42:07.320 I also want to say one more time from my colleague, Allison Guerrero, may you rest in peace.
00:42:13.860 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:42:15.740 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
00:42:45.740 You