The Tucker Carlson Show - October 19, 2026


Andy Ngo: Cults, Human Experiments & Unsolved Murders Surrounding America’s Biggest Tech Oligarchs

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00:00:00.000 andy thank you for doing this this is one of the this is one of the most remarkable stories that
00:00:09.000 i've ever heard and so i'd love to start at the beginning congrats on the book uh who are the
00:00:16.420 zizians the zizians are a cult that has its origins in silicon valley california i first
00:00:25.680 started paying attention to what i then learned were parts of the story um in january 2025
00:00:35.140 there that was inauguration day on inauguration day i saw in the headlines that a u.s border
00:00:43.900 patrol agent had been shot dead in vermont in vermont right by the canadian border very close
00:00:50.020 the Canadian border. Of course, with it being Inauguration Day, all of the international
00:00:56.020 and national media coverage was on what was happening in D.C., so it didn't get very much
00:01:01.180 attention. It was actually not far from that border crossing that day, weirdly, in Vermont,
00:01:06.980 which is not far from here. It's a very rural area in the middle of nowhere. It's icy, cold,
00:01:12.400 super freezing and two people were dead one the one being one of the alleged shooters
00:01:19.700 another alleged shooter was injured but survived and then the border patrol agent
00:01:25.360 david christopher malin was ambushed and killed there so when i looked into that i
00:01:32.960 there were just reading about this yeah there were very very few details but then once i found
00:01:39.180 out the names and i started digging further and this is in the context of where i've learned that
00:01:49.040 we should come to expect media malpractice when it comes to a lot of details about criminal matters
00:01:57.440 particularly involving gender and trans so you can no longer take for many years now take even
00:02:07.220 names and details such as sex at face value when it's being reported i learned this unfortunately
00:02:15.920 through my reporting through on on leftist violence over the years is that the media will
00:02:22.620 use preferred names preferred pronouns preferred aliases for individuals they report on and
00:02:29.540 oftentimes even on criminal matters and so you can have all these stories where there are
00:02:36.100 trans killers involved in violent cases and read reporting and come out not even knowing
00:02:45.320 that this woman who did this sex crime or did this brutal killing or did these acts of violence
00:02:51.660 is not a woman, but actually a man. So with the name, I just kept digging further. Initially,
00:02:57.520 There was a lot of stuff going on in D.C., and I found out that, oh, huh, the surviving alleged attempted murderer in that shooting had applied for a marriage license in the Seattle area with a man in Seattle who had just been arrested for attempted murder,
00:03:23.660 somebody who was an elderly key witness for an attempted murder trial in Solano County, California, which is in the Bay Area.
00:03:34.200 And then I looked up, oh, that elderly man several years earlier had survived a brutal attack by trans suspects.
00:03:44.540 He was impaled dozens of times.
00:03:47.640 He had his eye gouged out in the attack.
00:03:50.040 and after surviving that he was assassinated by somebody now who has a connection to this person
00:03:56.480 in vermont and with all these things coming close um coming together i was like there's way more to
00:04:02.740 the story yes yes and it's not just a simple case of an isolated homicide incident but rather
00:04:09.420 there appears to be a group involved here and that was the start of my investigation
00:04:16.340 but i want to back up a little bit you know i i have so much gratitude to you because
00:04:22.200 five years ago you provided a book blurb from my first book unmasked inside antifa's radical plan
00:04:29.540 to destroy democracy and my path from reporting on antifa to writing about trans violence now
00:04:38.040 um on the surface might not seem like this connection but it completely was the logical
00:04:45.440 path at that time in 2020 2021 when there were so many riots going on after george floyd died
00:04:54.220 one of my big projects was documenting those who were getting arrested in portland where i was
00:05:01.600 living at the time i every night through public records got the booking photos got the names and
00:05:09.900 looked them up systematically and i was seeing that there was a very odd pattern emerging at
00:05:15.120 that time which is uh disproportionately the suspects were trans in some way like they could
00:05:22.660 identify as male to female female to male or non-binary or some type of neo-pronounce this
00:05:28.920 was six years ago and i i just put that thought in the back of my head it was a question i was
00:05:33.760 like this is kind of weird um and you might recall that in 2019 i was brutally beaten in downtown
00:05:43.560 portland reporting on antifa and a lot of people are familiar with that case i suffered a subarachnoid
00:05:49.720 brain hemorrhage from that and the people who did it were dressed in black block with their faces
00:05:57.000 covered and the portland police closed the case without arresting anybody but i pursued a civil
00:06:05.160 case against individuals i had ledged that were party to that attack and or a attack that happened
00:06:11.960 And also in 2021, I was attacked repeatedly in Portland,
00:06:16.020 which is also part of the reason why I've been in exile abroad,
00:06:19.620 living in England now for all these years.
00:06:23.080 The individuals I was able to identify in my civil lawsuit
00:06:26.880 with the help of Harmeet Dhillon,
00:06:30.880 three of the six individuals are trans-identifying.
00:06:35.280 So at that time, there was like this other half, exactly. 0.56
00:06:38.900 another point of like what's going on with like all this trans violence and in the years since 0.77
00:06:45.280 we've had atrocity after atrocity shooting after shooting not just in the united states but other 0.64
00:06:52.300 western countries where the shooters are trans and so it was within this context now you see
00:07:00.780 now that i explain it why when i initially found out the names of the individuals who are alleged
00:07:05.900 to have been involved in that ambush shooting
00:07:07.660 in the Vermont border police officer.
00:07:09.820 I was like, this is, I'm not taking it at face value
00:07:12.700 that it was just a man and a woman
00:07:14.460 who were allegedly involved.
00:07:17.780 Everything requires further digging.
00:07:20.000 And once I found some of the puzzle pieces,
00:07:25.100 I realized this is material for a book,
00:07:29.560 not just an article, because there was so much.
00:07:32.820 I then learned about this is a cult now who has its roots in effective altruism, rationalism.
00:07:44.320 But then they, as they became radicalized, they pulled in bits and pieces of other beliefs like trans ideology, transhumanism, leftist anarchist politics.
00:07:56.100 and they were a cult that recruited in the bay area and they are alleged to have been linked now
00:08:03.880 to eight violent deaths in the united states and also in another country so there's a trail of
00:08:12.800 bodies and the zizians is a two-year investigation a year and a half investigation the zizians is a
00:08:22.640 year and a half investigation into what I discovered, the secrets of the group, the ideology.
00:08:29.220 And the more I kept digging in, it became more and more gruesome and disturbing. And I've seen a lot
00:08:35.600 of very ugly, horrific things in my times reporting on the violent far left. I've experienced it
00:08:42.520 myself. I've seen people who have been maimed. I unfortunately was around deadly violence in
00:08:50.080 Portland in 2020. So I thought I was prepared for what I would find, but this cult used human
00:08:59.020 experimentation. They had hideouts across the U.S. They made their own labs in sort of like medical
00:09:08.820 environments in the hideouts where they had. They administered their own hormones and medication.
00:09:13.920 So the Zizians is really a story of what happens when rampant cross-sex hormone use, radical ideology, protection from media and institutions, all these things merging together then allowed a cult to allegedly carry out deadly violence over the course of nearly a decade now. 0.65
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00:10:36.940 Where does it begin?
00:10:38.200 Who led the cult?
00:10:39.020 I'll start with the person that ended up being the leader
00:10:44.900 So on the cover, this picture is from the mugshot of Jack Amadeus Lasota
00:10:51.400 He was born in Fairbanks, Alaska, raised in a very liberal family
00:10:57.340 His father was and is involved in Democrat politics
00:11:02.000 But he otherwise had a somewhat normal upbringing
00:11:05.740 He had two younger sisters
00:11:07.340 He was very smart growing up and had an interest in Dungeons and Dragons and geeky stuff, Star Trek.
00:11:16.840 He was very good at computer science. That's what he excelled at in school.
00:11:21.460 And he studied at the University of Alaska Fairbanks and graduated magna cum laude.
00:11:28.400 and then was accepted into a graduate program
00:11:32.900 at University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
00:11:36.760 for their prestigious engineering program there. 1.00
00:11:42.700 Jack, like many of the people who ended up joining the CISI-ians,
00:11:47.900 they can be described essentially as geniuses
00:11:51.160 or very brilliant people
00:11:52.320 and who come from STEM-educated backgrounds
00:11:57.360 and or careers those with degree degrees in engineering and bioinformatics they include
00:12:07.760 on their resumes work stints at nasa and at google some of them were making hundreds of
00:12:15.860 thousands of dollars a year in quantitative trading so this was a highly selective small
00:12:23.580 group of people and ended up joining the Zizians. But back to Ziz, or I should say Jack Lasota as he
00:12:29.080 was known. When he was a student, he became interested in rationalism, effective altruism.
00:12:38.480 We're hearing about that a lot now. These are somewhat niche communities that are quite active
00:12:45.020 in Silicon Valley. Rationalism is just a modern philosophical movement. It has its origins from
00:12:52.800 centuries ago from european thinkers but in the modern form it's about to simplify using logic
00:13:01.360 reason evidence in the course of seeking and finding truth and then a related movement within
00:13:10.400 that is effective altruism which is using rationalist thinking to maximize good so in the
00:13:19.600 Bay Area, a lot of the people who work in tech and AI programming are involved in rationalism
00:13:31.400 and effective altruism. They are atheists and they believe that, and they're highly educated,
00:13:38.280 they believe that we can find the best ways to maximize good in society, but their whole
00:13:46.080 moral system is different than it's in opposition to let's say traditional christian values or
00:13:54.380 religious morals so a lot of their debates were really kind of nonsensical in a way with some
00:14:03.280 effective altruists for example they spent and still spend a lot of time talking about
00:14:09.760 the welfare of shrimp, prawns. They're thinking that if, for example, if let's say 10% of them
00:14:17.720 have some type of sentience, we're talking about billions and billions of shrimps that are being
00:14:24.100 farmed and they're needlessly suffering. These aren't Christians, so they view the life of an 1.00
00:14:31.980 animal as equal to a human. So these are the type of a lot of these weird debates that were happening 0.78
00:14:39.240 in the EA and rationalist community.
00:14:42.480 They were very active online. 0.59
00:14:44.220 A lot of them are autistic.
00:14:46.880 A lot of them have Asperger's syndrome.
00:14:49.120 There's a lot of research showing that
00:14:50.820 for those who have Asperger's,
00:14:54.720 it does correlate at the tail end
00:14:58.700 with really high intelligence as well.
00:15:01.900 So for Jack Lasota,
00:15:03.660 his original research interest
00:15:05.460 when he was at university
00:15:06.420 was studying um corona expulsions from the sun that was the type of research that he was doing
00:15:12.280 at nasa but he became involved in these online forums and about rationalism rationalism and
00:15:21.040 effective altruism and he was reading it a lot like a lot of people less wrong is one of the
00:15:26.080 main forums where it was a large community people discussing all these things i just talked about
00:15:31.540 debating them endlessly and coming up with mathematical algorithms and models for how
00:15:38.020 this could be the best outcome, that could be the best outcome. And so he dropped out of his
00:15:45.120 engineering program and moved to Silicon Valley and became involved in the rationalist community
00:15:52.120 there. There were hundreds of them, about around 2015, thousands that had moved there specifically
00:15:59.160 so that they could get involved in the rationalist community.
00:16:04.440 And in that backdrop, he met other rationalists
00:16:08.140 who are also very intelligent.
00:16:12.380 And he convinced at least one of them that that person was trans.
00:16:17.500 And he started recruiting people to his particular beliefs.
00:16:21.460 So eventually, Ziz's ideology was more than just mainstream rationalism and effective altruism.
00:16:32.000 He started pulling in things like aspects of trans ideology.
00:16:36.680 In fact, he kept a very active blog online called Sin Seriously, a portmanteau of Sin Seriously.
00:16:46.120 and on there he wrote about extensively about how he believed that trans people particularly
00:16:53.840 trans women have special cognitive abilities and we're hearing a lot about EA now because there
00:17:01.460 are the AI engineers and researchers who worked for OpenAI or Anthropic who have spoken out quite
00:17:09.560 recently and done a lot of media about existential risk AI existential risk so even though the public
00:17:17.960 now is just hearing about this this has been a debate that's been going on for over a decade
00:17:23.480 in Silicon Valley those who believe that AI is going to become a super intelligent being and if
00:17:31.320 it's unaligned to human interests is going to destroy the world, kill everybody.
00:17:37.800 So Jack, later Ziz, winds up in Silicon Valley. He's dropped out of school. He's moved there
00:17:44.920 in order to commune with other rationalists and effective altruists. And while there,
00:17:51.780 gets caught up in the debate about AI risk. Yeah. The Bay Area has a long history of
00:18:00.340 weird people going there and in fact the zizians are compared a lot to the charles manson cult
00:18:07.480 and decades ago charles manson also had his journey moving to the bay area and his start
00:18:13.420 in california before he gathered members to form a cult that murdered nine people and charles manson
00:18:23.160 himself and we learned through the trials a long time ago that he didn't do the actual killing of
00:18:29.740 of anybody but he influenced other members within his group to carry out these type of attacks
00:18:35.540 so if the allegations ultimately are true about jack lasota also known as ziz that's also similar
00:18:44.520 to what he did so he went through a lot quite a big transformation once he moved to the bay area
00:18:51.100 he transitioned started taking cross-sex hormones and testosterone suppressor suppressors
00:18:58.720 met other trans people and there were a lot of weird people and there was also an aspect
00:19:05.280 can i ask you about do we know why he did that that's a big step within the zizian ideology
00:19:12.700 based on his writings on his blog he believed that trans women in particular had certain special
00:19:20.160 cognitive abilities and he believed that there all of the world was at an existential risk
00:19:27.800 from AI destroying everything and that he thought he could be part of the vanguard of those who
00:19:34.920 would save the world. That was his world. That was his words. And he'd be more effective living
00:19:39.920 as a woman doing that. Yes, but he also had this, this is where the trans ideology comes in in his 0.85
00:19:46.040 writings. He believed that he was also born that way, that trans people were born that way within
00:19:51.400 the brain. So he misquoted and misused certain research on his blog about trans brains. And I
00:20:00.680 write about in this book where the research on it actually doesn't show that trans brains on
00:20:06.180 average are different because some of the research that was done, which did actually measure some
00:20:11.160 average differences, was looking at males who were same-sex attracted. And I believe that's
00:20:20.300 potentially what was being tracked in the differences that was being noted very minor
00:20:25.120 ones on average rather than the fact that these were trans people trans so-called trans women was
00:20:32.200 he gay before he became trans he wrote about experiences that he had sexually with another man
00:20:42.120 on his blog but otherwise he described himself in quite asexual terms he described how he viewed 0.94
00:20:50.060 his penis as like a alien appendage that and that i'm going to stop right there and you'd say that's 0.94
00:20:58.120 not a healthy worldview no no not at all and he believed also that and this is what he wrote 0.99
00:21:04.980 about that going through puberty was like part of his soul dying so you can see how
00:21:13.040 there are elements within some of those statements that are kind of repeated in mainstream
00:21:19.460 trans ideology being born in the wrong body being born this way if you prevent if you allow for
00:21:30.080 example a gender confused boy or girl to go through puberty that you are setting that child 0.98
00:21:37.080 up to a life of suffering because they're developing into a body that doesn't align 0.59
00:21:42.800 with the gender ideology since named himself after this is a fictional monster creature from
00:21:50.600 an online fictional serial and in that story the monster influences people to become essentially
00:22:00.040 walking time bombs that are destructive later looking back now i mean he picked
00:22:06.860 And Lesotho picked the name almost a decade ago.
00:22:10.780 I wonder, with the people that ended up dying around the group that he formed,
00:22:17.700 if that name was actually quite intentional or not.
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00:24:47.400 So he starts living as a woman. 0.92
00:24:50.760 Does he take hormones?
00:24:52.240 He wrote about taking cross-sex hormones and testosterone suppressors.
00:24:56.100 And he met other trans people. There was an element also in the Bay Area then and now within some in Silicon Valley of trans social, trans as a social contagion, of like where just suddenly a whole bunch of people began transitioning at the same time amongst similar social and friendly circles.
00:25:18.100 circles. So he was developing his own ideology in parallel and ultimately in opposition to a very
00:25:26.960 well-known rationalist and effective altruist thinker, Eliezer Yudovsky. And Yudovsky is really
00:25:37.020 seen as one of the big forefathers for modern-day contemporary rationalism. He has a very large
00:25:47.060 following many people moved to the bay area particularly because he has established several
00:25:54.200 non two non-profits miri machine intelligence research institute and um cfar to to research
00:26:02.760 ai safety and rationalism and he's for many many years most well known as one of the big
00:26:08.980 ai doomers earlier this year he met with vermont senator bernie sanders and others so he's been
00:26:15.400 very influential in his career. Ziz was a follower of Yudoski, but eventually believed that Yudoski
00:26:22.940 wasn't doing enough to save the world. So Ziz then met another person who he recruited to his
00:26:32.960 cause, Jasper Danielson, who used the name Gwen. And that was his first recruit. From there,
00:26:40.180 the two of them really established sort of the groundwork of the Zizians, and it's very big and
00:26:47.860 complicated and hard to explain, but to summarize. Their main theory is that the brain's two
00:26:55.000 hemispheres correspond to different identities. One can be male, one can be female, it can be
00:27:03.900 different sexes it can be in opposition to one another and one could and they could be good or
00:27:10.000 evil ziz in his writings described himself as being female in the brain and that both of his
00:27:19.180 hemispheres were good that he was one of the exceptionally rare people in the world born
00:27:24.480 with this gift of being double good so he had like a whole vocabulary around it and then his goal
00:27:31.140 then was to find and recruit people to his ideology and cause who he believed had at least
00:27:41.460 one good core of the brain. And so in their ideology, because the two hemispheres of the
00:27:50.080 brain are linked, they believed that they needed to be separated and that they could do it through
00:27:57.860 experimentations and this is like the early formings of the court-like elements of the
00:28:03.200 group so people that they were recruiting trans so-called trans women men who identify as women
00:28:10.520 they would introduce them to the ideology let them know how they can be part of this
00:28:16.680 world-saving mission and being part of this vanguard but you need to go through these
00:28:21.760 experimentations. You need to jailbreak yourselves. So Ziz particularly sought out other rationalists
00:28:29.100 who were trans. And then from there, the line of inquiry would be to try to find out if they were
00:28:36.000 open to these types of experimentations. And so I document...
00:28:39.880 Would they separate the two hemispheres of your brain?
00:28:42.520 Yes. And the Zizians believed that they could do it through sleep deprivation. And Ziz very 1.00
00:28:48.740 intentionally kept the details of how these experimentations were done secretive. He alluded
00:28:55.300 to some of the steps in his writings, but never outlined it. And I believe that was part of sort
00:29:00.220 of the intrigue with the group was it would get people curious to inquire with him. And some
00:29:06.900 did. Reading through some of the correspondence that I was able to gather as part of my
00:29:15.200 investigation for this book the experimentations was various kinds of sleep deprivation and and
00:29:22.520 and manipulating members into essentially a state of psychosis where they could be
00:29:29.980 more easily manipulated through the extended sleep deprivation sleep deprivation has been
00:29:35.380 used by a lot of cults by the way of course and governments exactly so part of what makes like
00:29:42.160 the story quite unbelievable was the journey of the Zizians from Silicon Valley and then ultimately
00:29:49.220 many many years later being arrested in February 2025 in Allegheny County, rural Maryland in 0.67
00:29:57.740 Appalachia, Maryland. The Zizians incorporated in leftist anarchist politics so they did not want 1.00
00:30:06.040 to submit themselves to the capitalist system. And part of that included then coming up with
00:30:13.220 really bizarre arrangements for how to live their life as essentially a commune. So one of the first
00:30:19.400 projects was establishing a rat fleet, rationalist fleet, literally buying old boats. And the idea
00:30:29.860 was to live on them so they didn't have to pay rent and there's lots of really crazy stuff that
00:30:36.580 happened for example they bought a old world war ii tugboat from alaska and rode it all the way
00:30:46.620 drove it all the way down to the bay area but they didn't have any of the permits to be able
00:30:51.600 to park at a dock um in half moon bay but they they were allowed to go there on humanitarian
00:30:59.880 grounds because they claimed that they were running into difficulty and then they became
00:31:03.740 squatters for years and years they stayed there they recruited people they bought more boats
00:31:08.920 and there were people and then eventually who left the group and do we have any idea where
00:31:15.200 their money was coming from? Yes. So Ziz himself was bouncing from programming job to programming
00:31:22.940 job. And some of the other members were doing various other type of part-time employment things
00:31:30.300 as well. So they were pouring in their own money into these projects. They really thought that they
00:31:34.720 could create this fleet of rationalists who would end up saving the world. And eventually, as you
00:31:44.000 can imagine that whole type of arrangement ended up collapsing. It's unrealistic. And so they moved
00:31:49.820 after gathering several members, including one who was a Google engineer, Amir Bohanian,
00:31:56.280 who used the name Emma. In 2020, at the end of 2019, they moved to Vallejo, California. There
00:32:11.440 was a plot of land from an elderly man that they befriended when they were in Half Moon Bay by the
00:32:17.340 water. He was very kind to them. He helped them a lot. Curtis Lint. And they lived on his lot and
00:32:26.940 how they repaid his kindness was they used the laws under California Governor Gavin Newsom
00:32:34.880 related to the pandemic to not pay rent for years so they squatted on his land and it was there that
00:32:42.380 they did more of these experimentations they live in these box trucks so they lived a really
00:32:46.900 weird lifestyle that was completely isolated from mainstream society and in the meantime
00:32:55.060 two of the members who had joined their group and then left didn't actually end up escaping
00:33:03.580 the group's influence
00:33:05.960 and they killed themselves
00:33:08.020 in very brutal ways
00:33:09.580 the first victim
00:33:12.080 jumped off a building
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00:33:17.140 and then the other person
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00:35:28.100 There's a bunch of transgender guys living on a boat, squatting. 0.99
00:35:31.620 And then living on a law, and then people who had crossed paths with them dying suddenly, taking their own lives. 0.97
00:35:36.640 Yeah, those are all indications it's not conventional.
00:35:38.780 Yeah.
00:35:41.620 And the story of violence, Drew, here, it just, it continues to escalate.
00:35:47.480 I'll just go through a brief timeline.
00:35:50.120 there were by the end eight known victims so two people who joined the group ended up taking their
00:35:57.400 own lives they were they had gone through the experimentation allegedly their brain hemispheres 0.98
00:36:04.060 were separated through these forms of sleep deprivation the zizians had a word for it for it 0.99
00:36:10.140 they called it debucketing they recruited more people onto this lot um there were at least six 0.99
00:36:17.060 of them that were living on the property belonging to the elderly man and eventually he took steps
00:36:24.700 to try to evict them they didn't pay rent for years they originally offered pay two thousand
00:36:30.140 dollars to rent a very large part of this lot to park all their vans where they were living out of
00:36:36.380 and they were creating like so-called tiny homes out of these vans which they called
00:36:41.320 slackmobiles so they would put solar panels on them and try to make it like completely
00:36:48.660 autonomous living they rejected everything about society so they thought they could really
00:36:55.220 live autonomously completely but he took steps to evict them finally after years of non-payment
00:37:03.720 And in 2022, November, several days before they were legally scheduled to vacate the property through an eviction, Curtis Lent, who at that time was 79 years old, was lured out to one of their trailers and he was bashed on the head.
00:37:29.500 His skull was smashed in.
00:37:31.100 he actually regained consciousness and this is according to his testimony and police reports
00:37:40.220 when he stood up kind of got a sense of what just happened so he just had a serious brain injury at
00:37:46.760 this point he was surrounded by several of the zizians and then he was repeatedly stabbed 0.93
00:37:53.500 with swords he was impaled through the chest they actually stuck a long sword all the way through
00:38:02.020 and he looked down he described about how seeing the blade was protruding through his chest
00:38:07.580 it had just very narrowly missed his vital organs he had a gun for self-protection and he shot one
00:38:16.420 of them dead injured another one and he ran out of ammo and the third one backed off and
00:38:23.740 so he very narrowly survived that he rushed to get help he was taken to hospital he ended up
00:38:31.780 losing an eye criticizing it was a miracle that he survived they stabbed him in the face
00:38:36.620 it was in the course of the attack on the ground that he was cut all over so his eye was cut up and
00:38:43.400 mutilated in that type of attack so this what this happened in november 22 2022 it got
00:38:51.140 no attention it was just treated as a case of like tenant related violence in california
00:38:59.220 and the reporting treated the arrested suspects as she her people or they them and use the aliases
00:39:09.300 that they are known by.
00:39:11.200 So that was like an escalation of the violence.
00:39:15.620 But he killed Azizian at that confrontation.
00:39:17.800 He did, one of them. 0.99
00:39:19.280 Amir Bohanian was shot dead. 1.00
00:39:20.960 Oh.
00:39:22.500 And here's the very sick outcome of that.
00:39:26.640 So the family of Amir Bohanian started a GoFundMe
00:39:31.460 and framed Bohanian as a victim of transviolence.
00:39:38.760 anti-trans violence yeah they raised tens of thousands of dollars and the various trans
00:39:45.720 organizations also eulogized brohanian as a trans victim in this so-called transgenic side that's
00:39:54.940 happening yes and u.s senate democrats actually honored brohanian amongst other names um
00:40:03.100 officially in the capital as well.
00:40:07.060 So that was sort of the false history
00:40:10.520 that was the narrative at that time
00:40:13.240 amongst trans actors.
00:40:14.620 And there was no evidence that he was shot
00:40:16.500 because he was transgender. 0.92
00:40:18.760 He was shot because he was stabbing 0.81
00:40:20.400 an elderly man with a sword.
00:40:22.500 He was shot because there were people
00:40:24.380 trying to kill Curtis Lent.
00:40:27.280 He had a gun for self-protection.
00:40:30.120 But of course, it's of no surprise 0.83
00:40:33.020 to your audience that trans activists are able to frame every grievance as a very, very
00:40:42.020 big slight and offense and attack on them. 0.52
00:40:46.800 Yeah.
00:40:46.960 It's like passive aggression taken to its logical terminus. 0.96
00:40:53.200 And I tried and kill you, but I'm the victim. 0.93
00:40:55.740 Yeah. 1.00
00:40:56.280 Yes.
00:40:56.640 That, and literally we're, I mean, talk about gaslighting.
00:41:02.060 they say things like, we are living through a transgenocide. And, you know, it's one thing if
00:41:07.060 it was just radical rhetoric. They, and also Zizine's, believe this. Zizine members wrote
00:41:14.160 about their belief in ongoing transgenocide. They would have been encouraging one another 1.00
00:41:20.040 to take up firearms, stockpile firearms, and prepare for violence. And in fact, as we do this
00:41:27.720 interview, it was just last week in Huntsville, Alabama, that three suspects, part of a Trantifa
00:41:35.620 cell, were federally charged in connection with stockpiling and making 3D printed firearms for
00:41:45.340 the purpose of violence and murder against federal agents. Also in the same week, last week, there was
00:41:55.000 a trans suspect out of Washington State, an American, who was federally charged for allegedly
00:42:03.980 helping the trans mass shooter that killed eight women and children in Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia,
00:42:10.680 Canada. The suspect in that case, the American, is named James Melody Bryant. So a lot of
00:42:24.320 The citizens is not just a meticulous detail of their history of violence and extremism.
00:42:35.900 It's also an indictment against this media and institution context we're in where we're constantly lied to.
00:42:49.520 So going back to what happened in Tumblr Ridge earlier this year in February when a trans shooter killed eight women and children at a property including his home and then at a school, the Canadian authorities described the deceased gunman as a female in a dress with brown hair.
00:43:15.140 That was how they reported it. And they didn't release any of the pictures that the American
00:43:21.980 authorities released last week showing that on the guns that were used to kill women and children
00:43:28.160 were trans pride symbols. So the people that were slaughtered in Canada were literally killed
00:43:37.200 at the burial of trans pride. And these were facts that the Canadian authorities omitted.
00:43:43.320 And it was only because an American allegedly helped in the planning of that provided money that this type of information came through in the criminal complaint.
00:43:54.640 But that is just emblematic of the lies that all of us are subjected to when it comes to hiding and obscuring the truth about transviolence. 0.67
00:44:08.480 so like going back to zizians they allegedly attempted murder on this man and then this is
00:44:14.080 2022 with i'm speaking to you now towards in late 2026 none of the two suspects in that case
00:44:22.940 have been convicted of anything and trial hasn't happened yet and trial hasn't happened no the
00:44:30.380 trial hasn't ran the man through the sword because they didn't want to pay rent and no one's going
00:44:34.160 on trial so decisions are one thing they're brilliant at is learning the rules and using
00:44:42.920 the rules against you so they used every tactic they could think of to delay the case delay the
00:44:49.780 case year after year after year curtis lynn was 79 when he was attacked so he's getting very old
00:44:59.380 And by 2025, last year, now he's in his 80s at his property.
00:45:11.580 You know, over years, he left the property, but then eventually he returned.
00:45:17.720 You know, people who live through traumatic experiences sometimes still kind of revert back to the environments where maybe the violence had happened
00:45:27.420 because they think enough time has passed to say the two suspects were still in custody at that
00:45:34.140 time. He likely had no idea the extent of how this group was much larger than just the two
00:45:41.400 people who were in custody. So this is how easy it was for Ziz to escape. He was found by law 0.58
00:45:49.740 enforcement responding to the shooting death of Borhanyan as well as the attempted murder of
00:45:54.880 Curtis Lent. They took him to the police station and while Ziz was waiting to be questioned in
00:46:02.760 like the lobby area, he just pretended to be unconscious. He just closed his eye and collapsed
00:46:09.140 in his chair. So these law enforcement officers thinking that there's a medical emergency
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00:47:50.460 So, the elderly man is almost murdered, impaled on a sword, blinded in one eye. 0.74
00:48:00.660 Ziz, the leader of the group, escapes from the hospital after faking a medical emergency.
00:48:09.880 And what happens—
00:48:11.320 Let me add to that.
00:48:12.080 Yeah.
00:48:12.260 So that wasn't the first time he faked a scenario that allowed him to help escape.
00:48:18.420 So there was, and this is getting a bit into the weeds,
00:48:22.280 but I bring it up just to show how insane the story was
00:48:26.140 and how badly law enforcement effed up. 0.69
00:48:30.320 So before that, Ziz had faked his death
00:48:35.920 through pretending to have drowned in the waters in the Bay Area
00:48:40.620 In official court declarations, one written by Amir Emma Borhanian, who at that time was still alive, and another one written by his sister Naomi Lasota, they testified or they declared officially that he had fallen off the boat that they were on.
00:49:01.160 And there was a huge air and water search effort involving all these different departments and agencies all across the Bay Area, like all hands on deck to try to save him.
00:49:11.220 They didn't find him.
00:49:12.580 And so there was this belief that he had been dead and that the body hadn't been found yet.
00:49:18.100 And then he was found by law enforcement in Vallejo, California after this brutal attack.
00:49:26.040 So there was already another pending felony case against this involving a Zizian protest in Westminster Woods where they allegedly donning robes and masks had created a hostage situation where children at the camp thought that there was an active shooter situation.
00:49:52.180 So they were facing a whole bunch of charges related to that.
00:49:56.160 And then Ziz faked his death.
00:49:57.880 There was a warrant out for his arrest at that time.
00:50:00.480 This is 2022.
00:50:02.960 And then when he was found in Vallejo,
00:50:08.220 apparently no police officer ran the record on him
00:50:12.840 to see if they had any active warrants.
00:50:14.540 So he wasn't arrested at that time.
00:50:16.220 They just sent him off to the hospital.
00:50:18.740 And of course, he had a chance to escape.
00:50:21.460 And then when he would re-emerge again, it was in the context of an investigation into a double murder that had happened in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, on New Year's Eve at the very end of 2022, involving the victims there were the parents of one of the members, Michelle Zyko.
00:50:42.180 So the Zizian's groups were, even though he had, Ziz had escaped and left California, there was still active recruiting and the group was growing and people were joining across the U.S.
00:50:56.420 How and why was this couple killed, the parents of the Zizian member?
00:51:01.180 on what is believed to be new year's eve 2022 and this is according to the police report
00:51:12.400 a car pulled up at their home at night individual or individuals could be seen going in according
00:51:22.620 to a neighbor's ring camera footage and there's some yelling that occurs inside the house
00:51:29.860 And then two figures are seen leaving the property, going to a car, and driving off.
00:51:39.440 Those individuals could not be definitively identified on that blurry ring camera footage.
00:51:46.120 Several days later, during a welfare check, because the elderly Richard and Rita were taking care of Rita's mother,
00:51:55.860 who was very old at that time and they weren't showing up to check in on her so somebody called
00:52:01.340 for a welfare check and so state police pennsylvanian state police came to the property
00:52:07.540 went up and found the two bodies in pools of blood in michelle zyko's former childhood bedroom
00:52:15.400 they had been shot execution style in the head in that case was from murders in 2022
00:52:25.840 it was only just a few months ago that finally michelle zyko was charged with the murder of her
00:52:33.460 parents. However, at the press conference, the prosecutor said that Michelle Zyko was not alone,
00:52:45.360 but he stopped short of saying who she was with. We do know that there's video of two figures being
00:52:52.240 seen leaving that property on the time that it's believed that Richard and Rita were executed,
00:52:57.140 but this has never been charged with attempted murder um after the the double homicide michelle
00:53:05.560 zyko became a person of interest and then she was questioned not charged let go and disappeared
00:53:14.400 and she was with another zizian at that time and daniel blank is she trans too yes she is a woman
00:53:22.300 who biological woman who uses the name jamie or alex and at various times has used different
00:53:32.700 pronouns including they them what happened to the elderly man who got the sword run through him
00:53:40.560 i'm jumping through quite a large timeline now like a decade of all this so it may get a little
00:53:45.760 bit confusing as i'm describing because it's involving different geographic regions and
00:53:50.680 many different characters at this point what people need to know is that so curtis lynn had
00:53:56.760 survived the attempted assassination he was blinded in one eye wore an eye patch and eventually
00:54:05.220 returned to his property he had spent a long time away but against the urging of his children return
00:54:11.920 he wanted to live out the final years on this property that he bought and he lived in trailer
00:54:16.720 and he was used to it, he liked it, he missed it, he came back, it was a mistake.
00:54:21.100 In January 2025, somebody was waiting in the shadows for him outside that property,
00:54:28.780 and when he pulled in, that person went up with a blade and repeatedly stabbed him,
00:54:37.420 and according to witnesses, pulled his head back and slid his throat,
00:54:42.620 and he bled out, he died there on the spot.
00:54:45.520 So at that time, he was 82.
00:54:47.400 Was he ever able to testify against the original assailants?
00:54:50.900 The trial never happened yet.
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00:56:50.080 was arrested days later maximilian snyder is the person who was in a relationship with the woman
00:56:59.640 accused of the ambush shooting of the vermont police uh vermont border patrol officer zizian
00:57:06.400 was arrested yes and then after that so in total now all of that that's total of eight victims
00:57:19.520 of this group uh of this interview not a single one has been convicted ziz himself is in federal
00:57:28.800 custody in philadelphia he's only charged with a federal crime of being a fugitive in possession
00:57:39.480 of firearms so this story kind of documents this whole process of how they were what happened
00:57:46.480 during the times they were fugitives the bases that they had established across multiple states
00:57:51.960 and I traveled to where they had lived formerly.
00:57:58.780 So I went to the Bay Area
00:58:00.080 and I went to North Carolina
00:58:02.440 where their last established hideout base was
00:58:06.800 and I got to visit the property.
00:58:09.900 And let me tell you,
00:58:10.820 I'm not a spiritual, religious person,
00:58:16.100 but when I was there, I was let in.
00:58:18.260 i felt really unsettled like there was uh felt like there was i would describe as an energy
00:58:26.420 in that type of space because you can see how they lived their lives and
00:58:31.920 i found for example some of their clothes and this is part of what makes the zizians 1.00
00:58:39.360 really scary is that they were always dressed in black 0.97
00:58:41.940 very similar to the antifa black block anarchists that i've encountered a lot
00:58:48.020 I found their clothes, I found their hair, and they had all these, and I found remnants of their so-called lab or workstations where they were building things and doing things on one another.
00:59:08.620 and um in the book part of the big reveal is a very large section in the book of
00:59:16.040 pictures of that have never been revealed before of the hideout bases pictures of the zizians in
00:59:23.220 their past and part of the big investigation here for me was making sure that every single
00:59:28.960 person and associate is identified by their birth name how hard is that to get their names
00:59:34.280 it's easier once somebody's been charged with a crime but there's lots of people in the zizian
00:59:43.420 circles who have never been formally accused of a crime so they're only known by the aliases that
00:59:49.960 they use online and screen names and such and this is actually part of a wider issue encounter
00:59:56.500 of my reporting on on trans violence is that a lot of times it's in the absence of booking photos
01:00:04.420 being released and more and more police departments and agencies are not releasing mugshots so you
01:00:12.300 have the name but in most liberal jurisdictions they've adopted laws that make it extremely easy
01:00:22.020 to change one's identity it's literally just one document that you file in the court and you get a
01:00:28.740 legal name change and that process can really obscure for example in my crime reporting
01:00:33.540 the criminal history of certain suspects because now they have adopted a new name
01:00:37.740 and simultaneously making it harder even as it becomes easier to change your name
01:00:45.360 to get their mugshots.
01:00:49.080 Exactly.
01:00:50.060 So back to Portland.
01:00:52.900 So we're seeing a theme here,
01:00:54.640 which is a flight from physical reality.
01:00:56.600 We don't want you to know
01:00:57.140 what the physical reality of anything is.
01:00:59.200 So Oregon was one of the states
01:01:00.820 that actually did,
01:01:02.460 where law enforcement was allowed
01:01:03.740 to release mugshots.
01:01:04.980 So people might remember
01:01:05.920 that I was releasing
01:01:06.780 the Antifa mugshots back in 2020
01:01:09.280 from all the nights of rioting.
01:01:12.140 And it was through there
01:01:13.400 that I was able to find out
01:01:15.360 individuals who are trans because then you know a photo of the suspect then you can link to like
01:01:20.340 for example their social media if you only had a name it's kind of it's harder to identify that
01:01:25.220 this is a person's social media um Oregon Democrats in reaction to my reporting and actually those
01:01:33.060 who testified um at the state capitol in Oregon in 2020 brought up my reporting said that
01:01:40.860 through my work that they were subjected to alleged harassment and things like that after
01:01:48.900 being identified. So then Oregon Democrats passed a law banning all law enforcement agencies in the
01:01:56.700 state from releasing booking photos in the absence of a conviction, which on paper sounds okay,
01:02:03.340 you know, don't release your picture until they've convicted. But in Oregon, where Democrats have had
01:02:09.900 control for decades and influence on the courts not very many criminal suspects particularly
01:02:19.060 those involved in political violence ever end up getting committed speaking as somebody who's
01:02:23.920 been the victim of that violence well this is the youth wing of their party so they protect it
01:02:28.080 um assiduously i remember those mugshots that you released very well six years ago and the first
01:02:34.760 thing i thought well the first thing i felt after like fear and avulsion was sympathy because there
01:02:40.460 was something wrong with almost every person was on their faces they all looked defective in some
01:02:45.360 way they all looked like there was something really these were not healthy people at all
01:02:49.380 they all looked like crazy and unhealthy i think you would have that same type of feeling if you
01:02:54.300 look at the the mug shots of the zizians and i have that i was able to there's a certain look
01:03:00.140 Like, don't go outside, filled with weird chemicals. 1.00
01:03:04.900 These are just not robust-looking specimens.
01:03:07.640 They look like they're dying, actually.
01:03:11.600 Yeah, I mean, the Zizine's, the members, I dive into their autobiographical backgrounds.
01:03:19.540 And some of them are alleged to have gone through some abuse.
01:03:24.000 There's also confusion because all of them have alleged abuse as well.
01:03:29.820 It's a pattern by a lot of trans activists, and particularly the Zizians.
01:03:35.180 They would recast normal childhood experiences as extremely abusive situations involving their families, 0.98
01:03:44.780 and then use that to justify why their parents and families were evil and why they were due justice. 0.91
01:03:52.720 the parasite the killing of one's parents was actually another part of the zizian ideology 0.83
01:03:57.820 that made them different from mainstream rationality they pulled in all these types of
01:04:03.600 grievance politics um there's a a thinker in the past who used the term wound collecting
01:04:11.880 and i forget his name but that's what the zizians did well sure and the more that you believe you're
01:04:16.860 the victim less empathy you have for others and that's true for nations as well as people but
01:04:21.720 But if you, I mean, it's like classic narcissism.
01:04:25.840 Like if you think you are the victim,
01:04:29.220 you don't feel bad when you hurt other people. 0.98
01:04:32.640 Can I describe how the Zizians were actually, 0.87
01:04:35.580 how Ziz himself was finally caught? 0.98
01:04:37.820 Yeah.
01:04:38.640 So in their latter years,
01:04:42.860 so I talked about the double homicide
01:04:44.700 of the parents in Pennsylvania,
01:04:46.220 and then there was the throat slitting
01:04:49.680 and killing of Curtis Lent.
01:04:51.140 and hit on in the second attack on him and then there was a shooting murder of the border patrol
01:04:56.820 agent so by that point then it was eight people who were dead ziz michelle zyko and another member
01:05:04.600 daniel blank were still on the run somewhere and there was a multi-state search for them last year
01:05:10.200 in january and february and when they were finally found they were found in a super rural area
01:05:16.620 in Allegheny County, Western Maryland, in the middle of essentially a snowstorm.
01:05:24.540 So they were hiding out in their box trucks.
01:05:28.600 And in the videos, when they're being arrested, the police body camera video,
01:05:34.520 they keep saying, I haven't done anything wrong.
01:05:38.780 and I believe that that's really
01:05:41.820 that's kind of really summarizes the Zizine's belief
01:05:48.020 if it turns out that all the state
01:05:50.980 and federal accusations against them are true
01:05:54.020 and that process is still playing out now
01:05:56.540 nobody's actually had justice yet
01:05:58.760 but if all the accusations are proven
01:06:01.380 the Zizines really do believe that they have done nothing wrong
01:06:05.220 because in their world view
01:06:06.460 this effective altruist view
01:06:08.980 about maximizing good,
01:06:12.900 it is for them the rational decision
01:06:15.840 to take out this person, 1.00
01:06:18.340 kill that person, 1.00
01:06:19.420 murder that person 1.00
01:06:20.160 if it gets in the way. 0.97
01:06:21.560 I mean, they view themselves
01:06:22.540 as really the vanguard
01:06:23.840 of saving the world.
01:06:25.980 Anybody who gets in their way,
01:06:28.040 who tries to imprison them,
01:06:29.360 who tries to extract money from them,
01:06:31.360 take him out, 0.87
01:06:32.320 take her out.
01:06:33.360 They're due to vengeance.
01:06:35.060 And what was...
01:06:36.460 And what showed me that this is more than just an isolated case of a fringe group becoming violent, is that with some of the actions that the group allegedly took, the murder and such, they received praise from mainstream leftists and trans activists.
01:07:02.540 who were sympathetic, for example, of the Border Patrol officer being murdered.
01:07:06.980 So why was the Border Patrol, I should have asked you, my apologies,
01:07:10.320 why was the Border Patrol officer murdered?
01:07:13.480 So two Zizine members, Felix Baukolt, who used the name Ophelia, a German national,
01:07:20.000 and Teresa Jungblut, she was the youngest member at that time, 20 years old last year, from Seattle.
01:07:32.540 they had been observed acting suspiciously in Vermont.
01:07:38.000 For example, they pulled into a motel
01:07:41.240 and they were dressed all in black and wearing tactical gears
01:07:44.540 and had firearms with them.
01:07:47.020 So in context, in the Northeastern Kingdom,
01:07:51.100 which is a really rural area of Vermont,
01:07:53.060 it's not unusual for people to carry a handgun.
01:07:56.580 You're out in the woods, you're out in the country.
01:07:59.020 But the fact that they were masked and in black
01:08:02.360 and wearing tactical gear that did make some of the hotel staff question what was going on
01:08:09.520 and made the decision to call law enforcement and when law enforcement federal law enforcement
01:08:16.260 responded because this is very close to the Canadian border where they were found
01:08:19.980 they were completely evasive they were let go they weren't accused of any crimes at that point
01:08:25.900 and they went to another motel
01:08:30.460 and when they were driving on the road
01:08:33.340 very close to the Canadian border
01:08:35.840 it's unclear where they were going ultimately
01:08:38.260 but they had packed up all their stuff again
01:08:40.260 and they departed after they had been questioned
01:08:42.460 they were pulled over by a U.S. Border Patrol officer
01:08:47.420 David Christopher Marland
01:08:50.200 and according to the investigation
01:08:53.300 once he approached their vehicle
01:08:55.740 and asked him to come out,
01:08:58.460 he was fired upon
01:08:59.480 and shot dead on the spot.
01:09:04.100 He had backup.
01:09:05.140 There was a shootout.
01:09:06.580 Felix Baukohl was shot dead.
01:09:10.360 Teresa Youngblut was injured in the arm,
01:09:12.420 but she survived.
01:09:13.160 And she is the only one
01:09:16.220 who's been federally charged
01:09:18.080 with murder.
01:09:21.660 The way the story concludes in my writing 1.00
01:09:25.200 is is bleak i mean you can say a lot about the zizians but one thing they're not is stupid 0.99
01:09:32.700 and they were very strategic with their decision making and it took state prosecutors in pennsylvania 0.98
01:09:40.480 nearly four years to charge michelle zyko and they at this point don't have apparently enough
01:09:49.100 evidence to charge anybody else. Ziz himself has to date never been charged with murder or
01:09:55.520 attempted murder. Even the felonies that he's facing in Maryland when they were finally found
01:09:59.800 and arrested after the manhunt, they essentially amount to firearm possession offenses. And he
01:10:07.500 doesn't have a criminal conviction history. He has a whole bunch of outstanding cases,
01:10:12.760 no convictions. So we really could see an outcome where Ziz and the other Zizians are let out. In 1.00
01:10:23.700 fact, the Maryland state case against Ziz, Michelle Zeichel and Daniel Blank was suspended recently
01:10:32.660 for reasons that are unclear. So one of the Zizians, Daniel Blank, is completely out free 0.93
01:10:39.320 right now. And there are people online who continue to be radicalized by Ziz and his writings. 0.93
01:10:50.240 So what's the appeal? Why would, if the pitch is we're going to cut your brain in half 0.95
01:10:57.000 and deprive you of sleep in order to do that, it's hard to see who joins a group like that.
01:11:02.820 What is the pitch that they're making? So for people who are drawn into the rationalists
01:11:09.140 and effective altruist community, they're not normal people like you and I. They really
01:11:17.420 view that all of the world is facing this existential risk of being completely destroyed
01:11:25.620 by AI. We must do something. So under that sort of environment, with several other variables,
01:11:34.380 such as many of the people who have been attracted to the disease are autistic.
01:11:39.280 Several of them are documented diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. 0.84
01:11:44.300 Their thinking is not like normal people.
01:11:46.480 It's much more systematic, ordered,
01:11:49.440 and about using various mathematical models
01:11:54.200 to map out the decision-making
01:11:57.480 and what they believe are the best outcomes.
01:11:59.860 So when you have that with then sort of a grooming process by Ziz and Zizians in his writings of pulling in certain people, you do eventually get some people who are drawn in and believe they can be heroes.
01:12:17.560 And if it takes killing one person to save the animals on earth, the billions of life form, the billions of shrimp that are out there, they're just using a calculation model. 0.88
01:12:37.480 One life versus the life of billions.
01:12:40.440 Life of billions includes all these animals.
01:12:44.300 All the prawns.
01:12:45.060 Yeah, exactly. So that's the type of people that have been drawn in. You have to think of them within that context.
01:12:53.180 People have been so damaged by modern technology that their brains don't work and they lack empathy toward people. 1.00
01:13:01.420 yes and another thing about the Zizians like stepping back and looking at sort of the broader 1.00
01:13:10.100 picture I also write about there's a chapter in here called the rise of the trans killers
01:13:14.780 so the Zizians is one example of alleged trans killers carrying out a campaign of violence
01:13:20.600 across the United States but in the past decade there have been so many others and in fact one
01:13:27.760 difficulty was finding uh contemporaneous reporting at that time they even described
01:13:35.360 some of them as trans and because it didn't it would refer to them as the by the preferred
01:13:41.000 pronouns preferred names so you you get this completely false impression that these incidents
01:13:46.840 are not involving trans people when in fact they are and as part of my research for this book i
01:13:52.740 I went to Nashville, Tennessee, and I went to the church where there was the mass shooting attack by Audrey Hale,
01:14:04.080 a trans shooter who used the name Hayden, a trans shooter who used the name Hayden.
01:14:09.440 And the FBI released scans of the journal's so-called manifesto left behind by this writer.
01:14:16.120 And you can see how she was completely radicalized by this inability to accept the reality of who she was.
01:14:25.860 That's right.
01:14:26.820 And she took it out on children at the school.
01:14:31.820 And so like standing outside of there, and it was important for me to go because I really, I wanted to go to some of these places where the transviolence actually happened.
01:14:40.080 going to Vallejo, seeing the area on the ground
01:14:45.080 where Curtis Lent died, bled out. 1.00
01:14:52.720 The Zizians is about this whole, 0.95
01:14:56.440 not just about the trans-death cult 0.97
01:14:58.680 and all their secrets, their human experimentation, 0.98
01:15:02.200 their victims, but also what we're witnessing
01:15:06.700 and experiencing across the world of
01:15:10.080 rising transviolence that's being completely denied. Denied by institutions like in Canada,
01:15:17.120 denied by law enforcement through them erroneously giving us the preferred names,
01:15:24.480 preferred pronouns, even preferred sex of suspects and criminals and convicts through the courts. 0.99
01:15:32.240 I mean, the Zizzians were able to drag out their case for years until Curtis Lint was assassinated 1.00
01:15:38.080 by making accusations in court filings and civil claims
01:15:43.900 alleging that their civil rights as trans people
01:15:47.660 were being violated.
01:15:50.300 And they were backed up in this by organized trans groups?
01:15:54.460 They were backed up by trans groups, leftist attorneys.
01:15:58.780 They were even soliciting for donations from people
01:16:02.900 to pay for their legal fund.
01:16:04.640 So there's this whole system.
01:16:06.140 Did they get them?
01:16:06.560 I don't know how much money that they were able to get, but they did get legal representation, private retain legal representation, and that doesn't come cheap.
01:16:17.000 Amazing. How were they seen in Silicon Valley?
01:16:23.020 The Cisines seem to be sort of like a dirty secret that a lot of the rationalists and effective altruists in Silicon Valley don't want to talk about because it came from them, from their community.
01:16:35.060 i of course i need a caveat that the ea effective altruist community rations community is
01:16:42.860 is diverse in the sense that as belief systems it can be apolitical in the sense that it's not
01:16:51.180 partisan you can have those who are libertarian or maybe even conservative and those who are on
01:16:59.340 radical left as well and the zizian's beliefs are not widely endorsed by the communities there
01:17:08.940 but at the same time i wonder if there's any sort of introspection about what that type of
01:17:17.340 environment produces i mean you would think it would be in the interest of
01:17:23.420 trans groups to distance themselves from trans murderers but they haven't
01:17:29.340 Not only have they not, in fact, some of them even celebrate and support the actions of convicted trans killers.
01:17:44.760 For example, earlier this year, a man who uses the name Mia, sorry, named Bailey, Mia Bailey, was convicted and sentenced in Utah for the killing of his parents.
01:18:00.420 And in the police interrogation video that was publicly released as part of that investigation, he talked about how he didn't believe that his mother was supportive enough of his transition, that she had allegedly contacted the hospital before he was supposed to have some type of trans surgery, informing them that her son was dealing with a lot of issues.
01:18:30.420 typically people show up for a self-castration or quote dealing with a lot of issues i think that's
01:18:34.740 fair he shot his parents dead and attempted to kill his brother as well shot through the door
01:18:39.620 but didn't the rounds didn't hit his brother so he was sentenced um this year to decades in prison
01:18:47.720 for those for that double murder and i as part of my research i track what leftist activists say
01:18:55.540 And what I saw from a lot of trans activists, the trans Antifa-aligned type people, I call them Trantifa, that's the term I use, they thought that what Mia Bailey did was justified and right.
01:19:11.540 They believe that those who are not supportive of one's transgender identity should be eliminated, that's a lot of their view.
01:19:19.540 And with the ongoing criminal case against Tyler Robinson, and according to investigators,
01:19:27.180 he was motivated to assassinate Charlie Cook out of love and support for his trans furry partner.
01:19:37.020 There are trans activists online who have been highly sympathetic to that.
01:19:42.100 And so week after week, there's cases of trans-identified individuals who are being
01:19:51.460 arrested and charged. And it's getting really no media attention for a number of reasons.
01:19:56.600 One, a lot of people aren't even aware that the suspect is trans. And two, in legacy media,
01:20:04.700 Yeah, people are essentially trained to cover up.
01:20:09.920 I mean, if you read the AP Style Guide,
01:20:13.280 and that's the guidance for print journalists,
01:20:16.360 I was trained in AP Style.
01:20:19.340 Their recent style guides have all been updated
01:20:21.360 to where you don't use terms like biological female
01:20:24.580 or biological male.
01:20:26.200 You don't mention that somebody is transgender
01:20:30.940 unless it's somehow really relevant to the story. 0.98
01:20:33.320 you use their preferred name and their preferred pronouns you pretend it's all real you go along
01:20:38.220 with a lie and mislead people and so the zizian is the a very comprehensive telling of what that
01:20:48.560 group did and the truth of who they are if you read the legacy media reporting on the zizians
01:20:54.820 and there hasn't been very many but it's referring to ziz as she her and this this woman who um
01:21:01.940 wanted to just save the world from AI risk.
01:21:04.620 And somehow in the end,
01:21:05.900 they're now being accused of all this violence.
01:21:07.980 Some of the reporting has been oddly,
01:21:10.160 actually not oddly, it's predictable,
01:21:12.300 sympathetic to some of the decisions.
01:21:15.200 If you're concerned about AI risk,
01:21:16.860 it's because you don't want people to be hurt by AI.
01:21:19.560 So, I mean, consider the irony of murdering people
01:21:22.780 who are not even connected to the development of AI
01:21:25.220 because you're worried about AI.
01:21:28.040 It doesn't make any sense at all.
01:21:29.200 And by the way, these are all people
01:21:30.920 who directly or indirectly have contributed to the rise of AI
01:21:33.740 because they work in Silicon Valley.
01:21:35.100 So, like, they're the perpetrators.
01:21:38.000 There's sort of an adjacent analogy or anecdote that I can draw
01:21:44.100 that I think maybe viewers might understand a bit more.
01:21:47.160 So, think about, consider like last year the death threats
01:21:53.900 that Elon Musk got after there were various cuts to USAID.
01:21:59.800 and that was actually quite there was a significant number of leftists who were in
01:22:08.060 actively calling for his murder and in their view he should be murdered because his agenda with
01:22:16.540 cuts in the federal government is causing people to die so therefore he should be stopped he should 0.98
01:22:23.020 you kill so it's just very simply this sort of this in their calculation and this is not a
01:22:30.060 belief amongst radical leftists is somebody who is harming our agenda should be taken out
01:22:38.920 are they all atheists any of these people believe in a god of some kind
01:22:44.220 the zizians and the rationalist infective altruists are atheists however what i discovered
01:22:51.780 in the course of my reporting investigations
01:22:54.000 is that the Zizians took on various occult-like elements,
01:22:59.380 such as cursing people with spells and hexes. 0.97
01:23:06.480 That was a surprise to me, but the more I thought about it...
01:23:09.400 It's also obviously witchcraft to me.
01:23:12.380 Well, initially I was surprised
01:23:14.000 when I found out evidence of this
01:23:15.880 that had been documented,
01:23:16.820 but then I thought about all the...
01:23:21.780 antifa militants that i've reported on who profess to be radical anarchists and atheists
01:23:30.760 will embrace witchcraft and pagan beliefs as well of course so there's this uh there's this
01:23:42.520 connection between well they're being motivated by demons so that's all real in my opinion so
01:23:49.800 I'm not surprised at all. I am surprised that two years into this administration, we still haven't
01:23:55.020 seen a systematic attempt to understand what Antifa is and who pays for it. Where's that?
01:24:00.360 I actually think the administration has done a good job. I'll name out sort of the things that
01:24:07.280 have been taken by the federal government. A lot of people forget or don't remember what's happened.
01:24:13.160 So in the autumn of last year, Donald Trump announced that his administration would be treating Antifa as domestic terrorists.
01:24:22.060 There was a big executive order.
01:24:23.460 And executive order is just a statement.
01:24:25.120 He had said something very similar in 2020 when the riots were happening and no action was taken at that time.
01:24:32.980 But from there, then the State Department prescribed ban for European Antifa groups.
01:24:41.100 So making them designated foreign terrorist organizations, meaning that if you provide support for them, you can be criminally prosecuted in the United States.
01:24:51.240 That was the first time an international Antifa group had ever been prescribed by the U.S. government.
01:24:57.220 um and then um there was the white house antifa roundtable which i was very fortunate to be part
01:25:06.540 of that where i spoke to the president and members of this cabinet about the threat of antifa and
01:25:12.520 left-wing violent extremism in the united states um and more recently there was a international
01:25:20.560 summit held by the state department in dc on the threat and rise of left-wing terrorism and that
01:25:28.400 had officials from dozens of countries around the world participate and the state department then
01:25:34.620 also prescribed some more antifa aligned groups in particular an italian one that provided the
01:25:41.760 online infrastructure for dozens of antifa websites where they post tactics and strategies
01:25:48.860 for attacks, targets of attack,
01:25:51.660 claims of responsibility for terror attacks.
01:25:54.420 So the federal government has done a lot.
01:25:57.720 I think, of course, they can always do more.
01:26:00.300 Has anyone been charged for sending money to Antifa?
01:26:03.440 For sending money, I'll tell you what they've been prosecuted.
01:26:05.820 Because if I gave money to Hamas or Hezbollah, 0.72
01:26:08.380 I'd get a FBI raid at my house.
01:26:10.180 What makes it difficult in the law
01:26:12.460 is the fact that Antifa is a movement and ideology
01:26:17.500 and it's made up of organizations, groups, and cells.
01:26:20.980 It's like all of the above.
01:26:22.740 It's kind of like, think of it how you couldn't prosecute somebody,
01:26:28.860 for example, for donating to a neo-Nazi cause.
01:26:32.020 Like, that's not a crime.
01:26:33.220 But for example, if they donated to a group
01:26:36.100 that was involved in criminal activity, you could be prosecuted.
01:26:38.420 Well, but if you designated, I mean, I think the designation is the point.
01:26:41.300 So, like, all these foreign groups have been designated terror organizations
01:26:45.820 and therefore anybody whose money winds up
01:26:48.300 in their hands gets indicted.
01:26:50.260 There have been a million indictments.
01:26:53.660 Seems like you could do that for Antifa.
01:26:56.080 What's hard about Antifa
01:26:57.320 in terms of the criminal prosecution side of it 0.90
01:27:00.920 is that most of the groups in the American context
01:27:05.580 are American and they operate entirely domestically.
01:27:08.620 They might read materials from the European groups
01:27:11.720 and read and learn tactics
01:27:13.500 in terms of like the radical material in text.
01:27:17.800 But in terms of like coordination
01:27:19.920 on an international level,
01:27:21.640 like money, weapons trafficking,
01:27:24.420 things like that,
01:27:25.840 we don't really see that happen.
01:27:27.080 That happens domestically at the US level.
01:27:30.900 So there have been particular groups
01:27:33.480 who have been completely dismantled.
01:27:36.560 There was a really big case actually
01:27:37.960 earlier this year in Texas,
01:27:40.660 a federal prosecution.
01:27:41.760 It was the first time that accused Antifa members of a North Texas Antifa cell have been charged with providing material support to terrorism, attempted murder, and many, many other felonies.
01:27:54.320 And it was stemming from a shooting on a ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, on the 4th of July in 2024.
01:28:02.260 so there were 16 people who were prosecuted so it was not not only the cell but also those who
01:28:09.000 were accused of providing aid like helping the ringleader to escape from the scene of the attack
01:28:14.680 they were all federally charged and seven of them pleaded guilty ahead of trial some of them flipped
01:28:22.720 and provide testimony and nine went to trial and all of them were convicted collectively they're
01:28:27.880 facing around 500 years in prison for all of them. The ringleader of the group was sentenced to 100
01:28:34.120 years in prison and they were charged with providing material, they were convicted of
01:28:37.780 providing material support to terrorism among other crimes. This case really received not much
01:28:43.360 media attention at all, but it was the first ante for federal prosecution and convictions
01:28:48.600 in U.S. history. After that, there have been 15... In U.S. history? Yes, it was the first time that
01:28:55.660 Those that individuals of the U.S. government accused of being part of an Antifa group have been...
01:29:01.020 After everything, all those people killed in 2020, this was the first time.
01:29:05.140 When the federal government is determined and also has popular support,
01:29:10.820 you can see what the full force of the government really looks like.
01:29:14.760 I do understand the feeling that we're not seeing those type of resources
01:29:20.640 and tools being used to the same extent by far-left anti-government violent extremists.
01:29:27.820 I understand that frustration.
01:29:29.080 At the same time, with my speaking to individuals and travel to D.C. to talk about this stuff,
01:29:40.300 the barriers that they face legally in terms of prosecuting Antifa militants
01:29:48.600 is really different compared to some of these other cases
01:29:52.480 where we've seen, for example, under the Biden administration
01:29:54.860 what that DOJ was able to do.
01:29:57.360 I think, you know, in the case of Texas wasn't the only one,
01:30:02.580 there are still ongoing federal prosecutions now
01:30:05.320 against those accused of being part of the anti-facels in Minnesota
01:30:10.100 that were involved in organizing the anti-government violence
01:30:13.460 and attacks on federal agents and officials back earlier this year against ICE.
01:30:20.340 So there have been 15 who have been federally prosecuted and are accused in charging documents
01:30:25.380 of being part of an Antifa network.
01:30:27.900 So there are things being done.
01:30:30.800 Of course, we want to see more.
01:30:33.060 We've seen, at least from the president, talk about the truth of what he sees 0.51
01:30:40.660 and what, if any of us as I see, is the rise of transviolence. 0.53
01:30:47.340 But with all the laws that are out there and the legal protections,
01:30:53.540 the violent far-left really know how to exploit the laws to protect themselves.
01:31:00.200 And I think it's a Sisyphean task for the federal government to really dismantle Antifa.
01:31:11.660 Because at the end of the day, even if they criminally prosecute the cells that exist from coast to coast,
01:31:19.380 and there are a lot of them that are involved in criminal activity, by the way,
01:31:22.100 it's very easy for new cells and autonomous groups to form because the ideology is spreading
01:31:30.680 and is growing and it has legitimacy from a lot of Democrats. I was very reluctant to
01:31:36.380 come to that view. For a long time, I thought that maybe Democrats were just slightly misguided
01:31:42.760 with their rhetorical and legal support for Antifa criminal suspects. But actually, in many
01:31:50.780 We've had now, I've had now 10 years of reporting on left-wing political violence in instances where suspects are carrying out violent attacks and still garners the support of Democrats in power, like in Portland, for example, and many, many other jurisdictions.
01:32:10.120 My only conclusion is they are completely fine with using these militants as their food soldiers.
01:32:16.380 so the antifa ideology has a lot of support there's a lot of money as well you know there's
01:32:24.860 questions about money it comes really through people who donate to what they call mutual aid
01:32:32.420 causes which is essentially terms for like projects that provide support in one way or the
01:32:38.160 other it can be in the form of housing or food or most importantly legal defense they have access
01:32:45.940 to a lot of money from rich donors giving and large groups of people donating small amounts i
01:32:52.380 mean the amount of money that was raised for example the the texas antifa defendants they
01:32:56.460 raised significant funds they've had huge support in left-wing media particularly after the
01:33:02.060 convictions it was all this reporting was treating them as people who were sent sentenced to decades
01:33:08.800 in prison based on ideology when none of them were willing to report out the facts of what we
01:33:15.880 learned at the trial because of all the members who had flipped and provided evidence for the
01:33:21.120 prosecution the type of organization that happened the planning the training the gathering of dozens
01:33:26.300 of firearms where they met at the safe house before the shooting attack you know and that's
01:33:32.460 just one particular anecdote but it's emblematic of how left-wing violence and transviolence
01:33:40.740 At least four members, by the way, of that Texas antiphossal or gerons, they are completely protected by many people with money and in positions of power who have the ability to influence.
01:33:54.480 That's obvious. May I ask you one last question? Is there, did you run across in your reporting any evidence that the use of cross-sex hormones inspires violence?
01:34:04.520 There's a whole chapter in my book looking at all the academic literature.
01:34:08.800 The physiological effect of this stuff.
01:34:10.360 Seeking to answer this particular question.
01:34:15.600 I'm going to say that people who want to know what the academic literature says should read my book.
01:34:20.820 But to summarize, there hasn't been enough research that's been done. 0.94
01:34:26.300 Seems like it would scramble your eggs to have cross-sex hormones injected into your body, no? 1.00
01:34:30.560 I will say that some of the limited research that has been done has shown that in polling of people who have been prone to radicalization, one of the predictors of that particularly violent radicalization has been a transgender identity. 0.93
01:34:51.020 And this was research that was done out of Canada, by the way.
01:34:53.300 very few people know about some of this academic peer-reviewed research but it's very limited
01:34:59.180 because one academics who seek to ask these type of research questions are not supported in their
01:35:06.660 academic departments it's all captured you're very familiar with the status of academe two the
01:35:12.600 funding for this type of research is not there and three those who dare to in academia to transgress
01:35:19.440 against transgender ideology get absolutely destroyed. Academic after academic after academic
01:35:27.180 has been hounded out for asking some of these questions about this phenomenon of transgenderism.
01:35:33.740 Just the fact that we're seeing a huge explosion in people in the last five to ten years suddenly
01:35:42.700 identifying as trans when the numbers before were tiny. What are the questions behind all of this?
01:35:48.560 it needs academic research it's not happening there's been some and i dive into that research
01:35:54.740 well i mean hormone surges make you crazy that's called the teenage years or menopause or you know
01:36:01.420 any time you know radical reduction testosterone levels in men affect their thinking and behavior
01:36:07.420 so you it just stands to reason that like massive doses of the wrong hormones who knows what that
01:36:13.500 does to you there's been some research on the effects of mood through cross-sex hormone therapy
01:36:21.640 and transgender identifying individuals you would not be surprised to hear that increased aggression
01:36:29.500 is something that's been observed you think ask anyone who's undergoing treatment for prostate 0.80
01:36:35.220 cancer where very often testosterone levels are lowered you're like essentially chemically
01:36:41.220 castrated as a man yeah and for medical reasons i mean they it's voluntary and and it may be worth
01:36:47.340 it but like talk to the guys who go through it totally changes you so like i think we should
01:36:52.980 think about the physiological effects of all these chemicals and also ask questions about what
01:36:57.760 happens when that is merged with an ideology that tells people to collect wounds and grievances
01:37:06.080 and to take up firearms to get revenge.
01:37:10.220 Narcissism makes you violent, no doubt.
01:37:12.920 Andy, thank you for this.
01:37:13.940 Good luck.
01:37:14.460 I'm sure you've thought through the security implications
01:37:16.860 of writing this book.
01:37:18.600 I'm sure they're real.
01:37:19.840 So, Godspeed.
01:37:21.860 Thank you.