The Tucker Carlson Show - Cenk Uygur： Epstein, JFK, 9-11, Israel’s Terrorism and the Consequences of Opposing It

00:00:00.000 Good to see you, Cenk.

00:00:05.640 Good to see you, Tucker.

00:00:06.540 I haven't seen you since we had a debate years ago, I think, at Politicon.

00:00:11.460 Totally different world.

00:00:12.640 But I was thinking this morning as I was driving in, I'm like, hmm, of all the things you could

00:00:15.720 do to infuriate your audience, this is probably at the top of the list.

00:00:19.180 Like, you don't need to do this.

00:00:20.500 Why are you doing this?

00:00:21.560 Yeah.

00:00:21.980 So there's a couple of reasons why.

00:00:24.080 Number one, I want to take yes for an answer.

00:00:26.640 You're anti-war.

00:00:27.980 We've been anti-war for 20 years.

00:00:30.520 I have not been, so bless you for that.

00:00:32.500 Thank you, brother, and welcome.

00:00:34.000 Thank you.

00:00:34.680 Glad to be here.

00:00:35.140 And so that's amazing.

00:00:36.800 That's important.

00:00:38.380 And I also want to break down the barriers of Republicans versus Democrats, right-wing versus

00:00:44.520 left-wing.

00:00:45.460 I think that it's kind of used to divide us, and I think that the powerful already have

00:00:51.440 an incredible elite team.

00:00:53.500 They're very, very organized, and they do it through donations to the politicians, et cetera.

00:01:00.000 But the American people are not organized.

00:01:02.280 We have built two teams, but those two teams, the Republicans and the Democrats, have been

00:01:06.880 trained to fight each other instead of fighting up, right?

00:01:10.880 Exactly.

00:01:11.260 And so when you split the population that way, you take away all of their energy because

00:01:16.580 you have them use their energy against one another rather than against you.

00:01:20.940 It's actually brilliant.

00:01:23.040 It's how the British ruled India.

00:01:24.280 Exactly, right?

00:01:26.400 Yes.

00:01:26.880 And it's done on a meta level in every way.

00:01:29.280 Also, by the way, on a global level, Christians versus Muslims.

00:01:32.880 Two billion here, two billion there.

00:01:34.440 Make sure you guys are fighting one another.

00:01:37.620 And hey, look at that.

00:01:38.720 We've used up all your energy fighting one another and not looking up.

00:01:41.900 I've noticed, yeah.

00:01:42.920 Okay.

00:01:43.740 So, and then of course, the third issue is Israel.

00:01:46.660 And so that's what I want to talk to you a lot about today, I hope.

00:01:50.100 And I think that that's an animating issue for a number of reasons, not because it's

00:01:54.860 the end all be all, but because it is deeply symbolic.

00:01:58.340 And so whether it's big pharma or big oil or APAC, they are buying our politicians.

00:02:05.040 And so you're a rare person saying that.

00:02:07.840 I'm a person saying that.

00:02:09.700 And mainstream media works against us and they try to shut us up and say, don't tell anybody

00:02:15.840 about money in politics.

00:02:17.220 Yes.

00:02:17.420 No, no, these politicians are honest and honorable people having debates.

00:02:21.480 They're not having any debates.

00:02:22.940 They're cashing checks.

00:02:24.440 And so I want all of America to know that.

00:02:26.840 And at the end of the day, Tucker, if we don't unite as Americans, the powerful are going to

00:02:32.600 rule us forever.

00:02:33.440 I think that's exactly, that is absolutely true.

00:02:35.600 So let's just start with motive.

00:02:37.800 I hate going to motive because it's like, we don't even know our own motives a lot of the

00:02:41.040 time, right?

00:02:41.720 Motive is very hard to determine.

00:02:43.580 But when this topic comes up, people go immediately to motive.

00:02:46.560 You're taking money from somebody, a foreign power.

00:02:51.240 Okay.

00:02:51.860 You're a secret.

00:02:53.200 You've got some secret religious affiliation.

00:02:56.440 You're filled with hate.

00:02:57.760 It's all about why you have these views rather than addressing the views themselves.

00:03:01.560 I've just noticed this having lived it.

00:03:04.340 And so I just want to ask you about Israel specifically.

00:03:07.420 How did you come to this and what are your motives?

00:03:11.100 Yeah.

00:03:11.860 So it's a difficult one for me because I have, I grew up in a town that was about 50% Jewish.

00:03:19.620 So I have tons of Jewish friends.

00:03:21.580 I have Jewish family.

00:03:22.420 I have a nephew and niece who are Jewish.

00:03:24.280 Yeah.

00:03:24.440 And so I don't want to make people uncomfortable and I don't want this to be about the Jews.

00:03:30.260 That's crazy.

00:03:31.260 And what I tell people all the time is, hey, listen, I like my friend, Dave, my friend,

00:03:36.000 Jack, Mossad never called them and asked for a question, right?

00:03:39.700 Netanyahu was never like, hey, should we take 53% of Gaza?

00:03:42.380 What do you think, Dave?

00:03:44.060 Right?

00:03:44.980 So that's not how it works.

00:03:47.380 So if you're, so I, anyone who's got that intent, I'm not interested in.

00:03:52.480 Okay.

00:03:52.720 You're not going to have me as an ally.

00:03:54.480 It's not going to work out.

00:03:55.480 I have Jewish family.

00:03:56.220 I have Jewish friends.

00:03:56.940 I'll never sell them out.

00:03:58.320 Okay.

00:03:58.680 Right.

00:03:59.120 So, and the other thing about Jewish Americans is they're Americans and we're, I believe in

00:04:04.280 a united America.

00:04:05.680 Okay.

00:04:06.340 So you're for America.

00:04:07.760 I love you and I protect you.

00:04:09.760 I'll give you one last example.

00:04:11.400 I can give you thousands, right?

00:04:13.180 And, but Dave Smith, Dave Smith is an amazing ally of ours.

00:04:16.460 Wonderful man.

00:04:17.400 Yeah.

00:04:17.680 I agree.

00:04:18.000 So if you come for Dave, you come for all of us.

00:04:20.380 He's one of us.

00:04:21.380 Okay.

00:04:21.980 We protect our own Americans.

00:04:24.400 Right.

00:04:24.620 Okay.

00:04:25.160 So now why do I have an issue with Israel then?

00:04:28.020 Even though I would actually naturally want to ally with Israel.

00:04:32.420 Yes.

00:04:33.040 And all the Jewish friends and family that I have.

00:04:35.340 Right.

00:04:36.660 And I didn't know a lot of Palestinians growing up.

00:04:38.680 I only knew one Palestinian.

00:04:40.200 We had one in our high school.

00:04:41.380 And we had hundreds of Jewish folks who loved Israel, et cetera.

00:04:44.300 Right.

00:04:45.360 The problem with Israel isn't just the genocide that they just committed, but that would be

00:04:49.040 enough.

00:04:49.580 That is a horrific injustice.

00:04:51.540 In Gaza.

00:04:51.980 In Gaza.

00:04:52.660 I mean, you've got well over 70,000 dead.

00:04:55.660 You've got God knows how many thousands buried in the rubble.

00:04:58.300 And they're adding to the count every day.

00:05:00.480 You've got 10% of the entire population that was either killed or injured, which is a stunning

00:05:07.800 number.

00:05:08.580 That's why almost all every genocide scholar says it's obviously a genocide, right?

00:05:11.980 10% of the entire population?

00:05:13.400 Yes.

00:05:14.020 Either killed or injured.

00:05:15.640 Okay.

00:05:16.000 That'd be over 200,000.

00:05:18.000 Yes.

00:05:18.540 That's right.

00:05:19.320 Because the amount injured are well over 130,000.

00:05:23.020 But just to be clear on that, like that's a number that we should know, I think, since

00:05:27.000 we paid for it.

00:05:27.840 And I think it's so important to know what death tolls and the injury count is because

00:05:33.800 you did this and you have to know what the consequences are.

00:05:37.120 I think it's totally fair.

00:05:38.120 We don't know in the Russia-Ukraine war.

00:05:39.860 We have no idea.

00:05:40.940 And we have no idea in Gaza.

00:05:42.620 And so I just want to say that there are estimates that it's over half a million.

00:05:45.640 I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the point.

00:05:48.220 We should know that.

00:05:49.360 We have a right to know that.

00:05:51.600 So, Tucker, that's going to go to points two and three.

00:05:54.900 Sorry, I could have just erupted with him.

00:05:56.540 Sorry to erupt you.

00:05:57.000 No, no, not at all.

00:05:57.960 Not at all.

00:05:58.560 But I want to come back to that because two and three are super important because it's

00:06:03.240 symbolic of the power that all the donor class has, not just Israel.

00:06:06.980 But also, with Israel, you have gaslighting that is extreme where you don't have that

00:06:12.680 in any other instances.

00:06:13.360 Can you explain what that is?

00:06:14.320 So, you'll say, hey, I don't think we should give Israel another $30 billion or another

00:06:22.280 $100 billion.

00:06:22.900 I want to get into all these numbers in a second, right?

00:06:25.460 And they'll say anti-Semite.

00:06:27.820 Now, wait a minute.

00:06:28.960 That doesn't make any sense.

00:06:30.340 Like, we could mad lib this, right?

00:06:32.460 You take any Israeli talking point and put in a different country, and it sounds absurd,

00:06:38.160 right?

00:06:38.440 Yeah.

00:06:38.580 Like, you owe Thailand $300 billion.

00:06:41.460 People will be like, well, no, we don't.

00:06:43.540 Anti-Thai racist, right?

00:06:45.280 You're like, what?

00:06:46.320 I don't even know any Thai people.

00:06:47.920 What are you talking about?

00:06:48.660 You're an anti-Thaiist, right?

00:06:50.760 No, I'm not, right?

00:06:52.100 Why do you hate Thailand?

00:06:53.480 Exactly.

00:06:54.160 But that's...

00:06:54.940 You're obsessed with Thailand.

00:06:57.520 That's my favorite.

00:06:58.760 You're obsessed with Thailand.

00:07:00.620 Okay.

00:07:00.860 Well, by the way, I would be obsessed with Thailand if Thailand took $300 billion off of us,

00:07:05.640 right?

00:07:05.940 And if Thailand was like, you have to attack everyone else in Southeast Asia, you know,

00:07:10.520 we have a Thai Christian heritage.

00:07:13.520 Yeah.

00:07:13.860 And imagine if India did that, and they're like, we have a Hindu Christian heritage, and

00:07:18.260 that's why you need to attack Pakistan.

00:07:20.260 Yeah.

00:07:20.560 And by the way, if you're not for attacking Pakistan, you're clearly being paid by Bhutan.

00:07:24.840 Yeah.

00:07:25.360 Yeah.

00:07:25.840 Of course.

00:07:26.220 People who are working for a foreign government accusing you, who just want to stay out of

00:07:30.900 it, of working for a foreign government.

00:07:32.420 Is that what gaslighting is?

00:07:34.260 Yeah.

00:07:34.700 Gaslighting is when the media says, take something very reasonable, you're saying, and makes

00:07:40.080 it sound like it's crazy.

00:07:42.240 Like, so we say, we gave them $21.7 billion in the middle of a genocide.

00:07:47.620 Okay.

00:07:48.040 So that's on top of the $300 billion, right?

00:07:50.920 And that's, by the way, $10 to $12 billion we spent bombing Iran, Yemen, and almost all

00:07:55.180 their enemies in the same period of time.

00:07:56.880 We just gave them another $8.6 billion and another $3.3 billion.

00:08:00.900 That happened in the last two weeks.

00:08:02.300 So when you say, let's just take one sliver of that.

00:08:05.560 Hey, I didn't want to pay for a genocide.

00:08:07.960 I didn't want to do that, right?

00:08:09.440 Whether it was the Thai, the Bulgarians, the Israelis.

00:08:11.980 It doesn't matter.

00:08:12.280 I just, I don't want to kill 20,000 children.

00:08:14.840 I don't want you to spend my money killing 20,000 children.

00:08:18.460 I don't care what race or religion they are.

00:08:19.860 Why are you so hateful?

00:08:21.380 Exactly.

00:08:22.300 And that's literally what they say.

00:08:24.260 No, I'm against killing kids.

00:08:25.420 They didn't do anything, actually.

00:08:26.860 Yeah.

00:08:27.280 And they say, so you hate Jews.

00:08:29.820 That's gaslighting, right?

00:08:31.240 Okay.

00:08:31.700 Right?

00:08:32.020 That's, so wait.

00:08:33.100 Oh, I live in that country.

00:08:34.060 Yeah, I know what that is.

00:08:34.940 Yeah.

00:08:35.360 So I'm the one trying to stop the killing.

00:08:37.960 I'm for nonviolence.

00:08:39.180 In fact, I'm religiously for nonviolence.

00:08:41.440 If I have any religion at all, it's nonviolence.

00:08:43.540 My hero is Martin Luther King and Gandhi and Mandela.

00:08:46.900 And so I say, do not do any violence to anyone.

00:08:49.980 It would be, in fact, if someone is doing violence, they're against us, right?

00:08:53.800 And I say, and don't, and you just heard me say it.

00:08:56.320 I say it a thousand times.

00:08:57.460 I love Jewish people.

00:08:58.420 This is not about the Jews.

00:08:59.980 So, but this country wants us to pay for a genocide.

00:09:02.820 I just don't want to pay for a genocide.

00:09:04.200 They listen to all that and they go, now everybody understand that Jake Huger is an anti-Semite who

00:09:08.620 hates Jews and is like an immoral person.

00:09:11.600 And if you're not pro-genocide, you're anti-Jewish.

00:09:14.200 No, no, no.

00:09:14.600 Don't say that.

00:09:15.440 Don't say that because you're actually going to get my Jewish friends hurt.

00:09:18.280 When you say you're anti-genocide means you're anti-Jewish, that equates Judaism with genocide.

00:09:25.080 Don't, don't.

00:09:26.180 I don't know anything that drives up anti-Semitism more than that.

00:09:30.080 But back to the original injustice, and then we'll get back to more and more gaslighting

00:09:34.640 because the gaslighting is another perfect symbol of what mainstream media does and establishment

00:09:39.080 media does, right?

00:09:40.280 Yes.

00:09:40.660 They gaslight on almost every issue.

00:09:42.460 So real quick, one more, like big pharma.

00:09:44.960 We can't negotiate drug prices.

00:09:46.620 They're like, that's pro-free markets.

00:09:50.460 No negotiation.

00:09:52.260 Wait.

00:09:52.680 That's capitalism.

00:09:53.440 Not being able to negotiate prices is the exact opposite of the free markets.

00:09:57.940 Everything on television is a lie.

00:09:59.800 It's all an illusion.

00:10:01.200 That's very funny.

00:10:01.980 I've never really thought about it like that, but that is so true.

00:10:04.800 I mean, why are we not rebelling against the biggest socialist or communist program in

00:10:08.540 American history that we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices?

00:10:12.240 What kind of absurdity is that?

00:10:13.540 And we're the only country on earth that that applies to.

00:10:17.480 So it's just, they're like magicians, establishment media.

00:10:22.560 Sienna and MSNBC, Fox, New York Times, Washington Post.

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00:12:43.360 Well, the original argument, as I remember, I was never involved in this, but I was in, you know, libertarian adjacent world a lot of my life.

00:12:51.560 And so I remember hearing that argument and I remember thinking, yeah, what is that?

00:12:55.120 And they were like, no, no, no.

00:12:55.940 Now, if you are allowed to negotiate drug prices, you will kill pharma innovation in the United States and we lead the world in innovation.

00:13:02.460 I'm like, okay, I guess.

00:13:04.240 I didn't realize that a lot of pharma is just poison anyway.

00:13:07.000 This is before the Sacklers, you know, killed a lot of people in Appalachia.

00:13:10.620 And I was like, okay.

00:13:12.160 But then you watch pharma offshore.

00:13:14.680 Like they offshored.

00:13:15.600 Like New Jersey, you grew up in New Jersey, was a pharma stronghold.

00:13:18.880 You know, Basking Ridge, that whole area is filled with pharma companies that are making the drugs.

00:13:22.240 They are not anymore.

00:13:23.320 We don't make antibiotics.

00:13:24.100 We don't make vitamin C.

00:13:24.780 We don't make all these drugs because they offshored them.

00:13:27.320 So we protected them from fair competition by eliminating negotiation and they left anyway.

00:13:34.200 So like what?

00:13:35.720 What's the upside here?

00:13:37.160 I gave you a thousand examples.

00:13:38.980 We gave the semiconductor industry 50 some odd billion dollars under Biden.

00:13:45.420 That was the CHIPS Act.

00:13:46.940 And all the Democrats are like, he's FDR 2.0.

00:13:49.060 I'm like, guys, that's a $50 billion corporate subsidy.

00:13:52.300 Okay.

00:13:52.460 And did we put any guardrails in?

00:13:53.920 So did we say, hey, Intel, here's at least eight of the 50 billion going straight to you?

00:13:59.100 I think it might've been 12 in that ballpark.

00:14:01.180 So now as condition to that, you're supposed to build here in America.

00:14:05.080 So you can't fire any Americans.

00:14:07.020 Of course.

00:14:07.340 If you fire any Americans, then obviously we're not going to give you the money because the ostensible reason for us giving you the money is to build a semiconductor industry here in America.

00:14:15.640 Exactly.

00:14:16.240 Right.

00:14:16.980 Intel fired 8,000 people right after the bill passed because there's no guardrails.

00:14:21.540 Because why?

00:14:22.260 8,000 Americans?

00:14:23.340 8,000 Americans.

00:14:24.500 8,000 Americans.

00:14:24.620 Of course.

00:14:25.180 Immediately.

00:14:25.720 They fired them immediately.

00:14:27.060 It's a joke.

00:14:27.940 The whole thing's a joke.

00:14:29.520 None of the politicians mean it.

00:14:31.280 And the people that allow them to get away with all of this.

00:14:33.880 So all of that is the robbery.

00:14:35.720 Right?

00:14:36.520 Mainstream media is the getaway car.

00:14:38.420 Okay.

00:14:38.760 So they come in and they make excuses.

00:14:40.580 Oh, FDR 2.0, it's brilliant to give away your money to the semiconductor industry.

00:14:45.780 It's brilliant to give it away to Big Pharma and to Israel.

00:14:48.140 And if anybody objects to their conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites, etc., their job is not to cover the news, it's to cover up the news.

00:14:55.740 So, I mean, again, look at-

00:14:57.220 That is literally true.

00:14:58.360 Yeah.

00:14:58.900 So Obama ran a campaign ad called Billy back in 2008, and it was about the deal to not negotiate drug prices.

00:15:07.020 It was outrageous.

00:15:07.780 Everyone hated it.

00:15:08.580 A Democrat named Billy Tosan had negotiated it in Congress.

00:15:12.480 That's why the ad was called Billy.

00:15:14.500 And Obama was saying, I'm not going to be like those Democrats.

00:15:18.200 Right?

00:15:18.420 Yeah.

00:15:18.700 He got in, said, we're not negotiating drug prices.

00:15:21.340 Trump said, we're going to negotiate drug prices.

00:15:23.460 Not going to negotiate drug prices.

00:15:24.700 So I knew Billy Tosan really well.

00:15:26.680 A wonderful guy from Shaq Bay, Louisiana.

00:15:29.180 Just a really charming guy.

00:15:30.360 I used to hunt with him a lot.

00:15:31.300 And I always loved him, still do.

00:15:33.480 But he went from Congress to, do you know what his next job was?

00:15:37.500 Lobbyist.

00:15:38.580 Head of?

00:15:39.460 Big Pharma.

00:15:40.440 Exactly.

00:15:41.120 He was the head pharma lobbyist.

00:15:42.500 And that's my point, Tucker.

00:15:43.700 Not attacking him, but that happened.

00:15:45.480 I was there.

00:15:46.300 Yeah.

00:15:46.620 I mean, like, what?

00:15:48.420 So mainstream media looks at that and goes, no, I don't see it.

00:15:53.460 I don't see it.

00:15:55.140 Big Pharma gives more, like, four times more than the Israeli lobby does.

00:15:59.140 And they're like, no, I don't see it.

00:16:01.080 I'm like, isn't the adage, follow the money?

00:16:03.920 Like, so here is an industry giving billions of dollars to politicians.

00:16:07.100 That's a lot of money.

00:16:08.300 Oh, yeah.

00:16:08.740 5,000 at a time, right?

00:16:10.160 And then the super PACs, et cetera.

00:16:11.840 They seem like they're bribing almost all of Congress.

00:16:14.220 Nope.

00:16:14.540 Nope.

00:16:15.180 Conspiracy theory.

00:16:16.200 I had a...

00:16:17.080 Because they're bribing all the media, too, with drug ads.

00:16:18.560 Of course.

00:16:19.480 That's their number one advertisers are drug companies.

00:16:22.160 Number two advertisers, by the way, are politicians.

00:16:25.100 Why do they always say that politicians are honest and they're having real debates?

00:16:29.280 Because politicians are actually their top clients.

00:16:32.480 So when you spend $17 billion in money in politics, where does it go?

00:16:36.920 It goes almost all to establishment media to buy ads.

00:16:40.680 So the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are the best clients that CNN New York Times have.

00:16:47.080 So they are always talking about how great the Republican and Democratic parties are, how terrible primaries are.

00:16:53.800 Primaries use up that money.

00:16:55.780 We didn't get all those bribes to spend it in a primary.

00:17:00.200 We got it to have a fake fight in the general election where you have the lesser of two evils.

00:17:05.460 Ha ha, we got you.

00:17:06.900 So that's the Rosetta Stone, money in politics.

00:17:10.460 Once you see that, you see how politics works and you also see how media works, which then leads us back to Israel.

00:17:16.120 So we say, guys, they have contributed.

00:17:19.780 Guardian did a piece on this.

00:17:21.540 The Israeli lobby has contributed to 94% of Congress.

00:17:25.940 Okay, first, do you think they did that for their health, for the general welfare, or do you think that every group they have is named after Israel because the whole point is to support Israel, right?

00:17:36.600 That's not a complicated question.

00:17:38.460 It's the American-Israeli Political Action Committee.

00:17:40.680 One of the groups is called Democratic Majority for Israel.

00:17:46.100 They ran $4 million worth of ads against Nina Turner, which is one of Bernie Sanders' campaign shares, to make sure that she was defeated by Chantel Brown.

00:17:54.380 Chantel Brown was one of 11 people running against Nina Turner, had almost no ratings at all.

00:17:59.560 Nina had a 35-point lead.

00:18:01.120 She was running against the Lilliputians.

00:18:02.460 Chantel Brown puts a statement on her website saying how much she loves Israel.

00:18:07.100 Boom, $4 million appears, all in favor of Chantel Brown, all against Nina Turner.

00:18:12.420 That's her raising her hand and saying, I will work for Israel.

00:18:15.520 And what happened in the end?

00:18:17.260 They erased a 35-point lead.

00:18:18.900 They bought every ad in Cleveland.

00:18:20.240 And most importantly, they got mainstream media to say, now, remember, Nina Turner hates Joe Biden, so she loves Donald Trump.

00:18:29.580 Now, that's Cleveland voters.

00:18:30.880 They don't want that, right?

00:18:32.140 Now, is that true?

00:18:33.400 No.

00:18:34.100 She has said a statement that voting for Biden is like eating a half bowl of shit.

00:18:39.760 But, okay, but she said, but voting for Trump is like eating a full bowl of shit.

00:18:45.960 So what am I going to do?

00:18:47.540 I'll eat the half, right?

00:18:49.620 They never, ever put the second half of the statement in.

00:18:53.660 They just said in every news story, whether it's on TV or in the newspapers, Nina Turner says voting for Biden is eating a half bowl of shit.

00:19:03.020 She's so Trump favorite.

00:19:04.920 But how could she be pro-Trump?

00:19:06.200 The rest of the sentence says he's twice as bad.

00:19:08.900 So people in mainstream media are giant liars.

00:19:11.520 They've lied about me all the time.

00:19:12.980 They lie about Republicans, Democrats, but mainly they lie to protect the donor class.

00:19:17.620 So then, again, back to Israel, and because it's such a perfect symbol, 94% of Congress.

00:19:23.180 It's not 34%.

00:19:24.500 At 34%, you can say, yeah, they have a lot of control.

00:19:27.520 That's a lot of money that they're giving to a third of our Congress.

00:19:30.380 At 64%, you'd say, come on.

00:19:32.480 They have enormous power if not control.

00:19:35.020 At 94%, it's clearly control.

00:19:36.980 So further part of that Guardian story is 82% of Congress votes basically with Israel every single time.

00:19:46.800 That 82% on average gets 100, just in that last election cycle, let alone all the other ones, $125,000 per member of Congress.

00:19:56.100 Now, establishment media says that's not a bribe.

00:20:01.400 They're just talking to one another.

00:20:03.120 Oh, hey, how you doing?

00:20:04.340 Here's $125,000 so you'll vote for Israel.

00:20:06.860 But it's not so you'll vote for Israel.

00:20:08.820 It's so you can have a better debate or whatever.

00:20:11.560 And they're like, of course, that's not a bribe.

00:20:14.060 And they don't control those members.

00:20:15.340 Well, how come they vote with Israel every single time?

00:20:17.860 Why don't you follow the money?

00:20:19.340 I thought the old adage of journalism was follow the money.

00:20:23.240 And every time we ask you to follow the money, you call us an anti-Semite.

00:20:26.740 That's really, really weird.

00:20:29.300 That's a super weird thing to do.

00:20:31.100 Again, Mad Lib, fill in any other country.

00:20:33.580 Imagine that Bulgaria was giving to 94% of Congress.

00:20:39.440 Or Great Britain or Sweden.

00:20:40.680 Or any country.

00:20:41.400 It doesn't matter.

00:20:42.040 It doesn't matter.

00:20:43.040 And you said, well, it seems like the Bulgarians have 94% of our Congress locked up.

00:20:48.920 How dare you, anti-Bulgarian racist?

00:20:52.080 You Bulgarist.

00:20:54.600 Right?

00:20:55.240 It would be absurd.

00:20:56.440 It would be absurd.

00:20:57.220 So, of course, you have to point this out.

00:20:58.820 So, and what have they gotten in return for the hundreds of millions that AIPAC and other

00:21:03.800 Israeli lobby organizations have put into Congress?

00:21:06.920 At this point, they've probably put in over a billion dollars collectively over all those

00:21:10.540 years.

00:21:11.360 So, well, what they've gotten back is over $300 billion in funding through the lifetime

00:21:16.940 of Israel adjusted for inflation.

00:21:19.780 That's before October 7th.

00:21:22.140 October 7th, we add that $21.7 billion.

00:21:25.100 You could argue $10 or $12 billion more for the wars we're fighting for them.

00:21:29.220 Those are not free.

00:21:30.580 Every time we drop a bomb on Iran or Yemen or Nigeria, it costs us money.

00:21:34.600 Or Iraq.

00:21:35.460 Or Iraq.

00:21:36.040 That's why we did that.

00:21:36.660 Yeah, but look, if you get into that, the global war on terror, which is, if we're being

00:21:41.740 honest, the global war against Israel's enemies, costs us $8 trillion.

00:21:47.540 Right.

00:21:47.980 So, Israel's lucky if we don't count that $8 trillion.

00:21:50.140 It's why we're bankrupt.

00:21:51.200 Yeah.

00:21:51.520 Yeah.

00:21:51.780 I mean, here we are at $38 trillion.

00:21:53.360 And, Tucker, that's the other amazing part.

00:21:55.600 So, now in the last two weeks, Trump gave another $8.6 billion, totally unaccounted.

00:22:01.600 Where's that $8.6 billion coming from?

00:22:03.360 Did anybody ever vote for that $8.6 billion?

00:22:06.420 And then, unabated, he gave another $3.3 billion.

00:22:09.940 Where is this money coming from?

00:22:12.020 Is anybody voting on this?

00:22:13.620 What is going on?

00:22:14.620 Well, it's debt.

00:22:15.540 These are IOUs to countries that are buying our treasuries.

00:22:19.880 Exactly.

00:22:20.740 So, that's the next layer of it.

00:22:22.820 So, you're telling us we have to borrow money from China and Japan so we can give money for

00:22:29.120 free to Israel.

00:22:30.200 So, and then we pay the interest for the rest of our lives and they don't pay any interest.

00:22:35.680 Well, why don't they borrow it from China and Japan?

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00:24:31.080 And but can I ask you a question that really bothers me?

00:24:35.040 Why don't people who support Israel or any foreign cause pay for the cause themselves?

00:24:42.280 Like there are a lot of very rich people.

00:24:43.780 I know some, I like some who are, you know, profoundly pro-Israel and really think about

00:24:48.520 it a lot, care about it a lot, have friends and family that are great.

00:24:51.420 Why don't they, and some of these people are worth billions and billions and billions.

00:24:54.820 Why don't they, why do taxpayers have to pay for this?

00:24:58.060 Why don't they just donate the money to Israel?

00:24:59.640 I'd never have understood that.

00:25:01.000 And no one will answer that question.

00:25:03.180 Because of leverage and economies of scale.

00:25:06.000 So let's take Larry Ellison as an example.

00:25:08.660 So to be fair to Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle, he actually did the thing that you

00:25:12.600 say.

00:25:13.340 He gave $16 million to the IDF in the middle of the genocide as a donation.

00:25:18.300 How about $5 billion?

00:25:19.620 I mean, that's $16 million for, it's not much actually.

00:25:22.280 Yeah.

00:25:22.500 So I'm going to get back to that.

00:25:23.900 So he's like, hey, genocide, well done.

00:25:27.040 Keep genociding.

00:25:28.060 Here's $16 million more.

00:25:29.880 It's a really, it's an outrageous thing to do.

00:25:31.700 But okay, you love Israel.

00:25:32.740 You love that they're committing a genocide against Palestinians.

00:25:35.320 You despise Palestinians.

00:25:36.960 You're deeply racist.

00:25:38.260 And you're a bigot against Muslims.

00:25:40.040 That's your business, Larry Ellison.

00:25:41.520 Okay.

00:25:42.180 So, but now he thinks, wait a minute.

00:25:44.480 What if I give to American politicians?

00:25:46.100 And then instead of me giving the $5 billion or the $50 billion, we get the sucker American

00:25:52.340 taxpayers that give it, right?

00:25:54.060 So now how can I do that?

00:25:55.360 It's actually simple.

00:25:56.240 It's so dishonorable that I can't really even fit that in my head.

00:25:59.940 To folks-

00:26:00.940 I don't force other people to pay for charities I support.

00:26:04.780 I mean, I support them because I support them.

00:26:06.940 I mean, that's what integrity is.

00:26:08.320 I can't imagine sticking a gun in someone's face and say, you have to donate to my charity.

00:26:13.020 Yeah.

00:26:13.480 So, and in this case, it's not a charity.

00:26:15.080 It's a-

00:26:15.900 No, but a cause that you believe in.

00:26:17.660 Yeah.

00:26:17.820 You know?

00:26:18.100 Okay.

00:26:18.680 So then DropSite News has done some terrific reporting and they found emails of Ahud Barak,

00:26:24.460 the former prime minister of Israel and others.

00:26:26.840 Can I say it?

00:26:27.240 DropSite News has done some amazing reporting.

00:26:29.380 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 Fantastic.

00:26:30.460 It's unbelievable.

00:26:31.480 And in fact, the way that establishment media is not covering their stories shows you

00:26:35.480 what a joke it is.

00:26:36.280 DropSite News breaks more stories.

00:26:37.640 I wasn't really sure what it was until recently.

00:26:40.060 They're breaking more stories than the New York Times, Washington Post put together by far.

00:26:44.220 Yeah.

00:26:44.740 It's not an accident.

00:26:46.240 That's because they're trying to break stories.

00:26:48.280 Yes, they are.

00:26:49.180 And the New York Times is trying to do the opposite.

00:26:51.280 Yeah.

00:26:51.580 And Epstein's stories are amazing and we should get back to that.

00:26:54.240 They're unbelievable.

00:26:55.120 I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:26:56.000 Yeah.

00:26:56.140 I just wanted to say that.

00:26:56.880 No, no, absolutely.

00:26:57.620 So, DropSite News found the emails of Larry Ellison talking to the Israeli ambassador.

00:27:04.060 And he says, this is back in 2016, 2015, 2016, that campaign.

00:27:08.500 And he says, I'm going to go vet Marco Rubio for Israel.

00:27:13.520 Now, remember, Larry Ellison's ostensibly an American, okay?

00:27:16.820 But he doesn't, he's talking to the Israeli ambassador and says, I'm going to make sure

00:27:21.120 Marco Rubio is on Israel's side.

00:27:23.760 Then he goes and talks to him at a party.

00:27:25.720 He comes back and then reports back to the Israeli ambassador.

00:27:29.420 Don't worry.

00:27:30.420 He's on our side.

00:27:31.700 I'm giving him $5 million for his super PAC.

00:27:34.260 By the way, at that time, that's against Donald Trump, okay?

00:27:36.940 So, that's Larry Ellison saying, I'm basically buying Marco Rubio on behalf of Israel.

00:27:42.760 So, that doesn't even go to Marco Rubio's AIPAC tracker.

00:27:46.140 On an AIPAC tracker, he's over a million dollars from the Israeli lobby.

00:27:49.260 But they've got all this secret money and their super PACs and all the other things that

00:27:53.420 they have.

00:27:53.960 And in that case, he's caught because we have his emails.

00:27:56.780 So, don't tell me he's not working for the Israelis when we have emails showing he works

00:28:02.740 for the Israelis.

00:28:03.280 And then what is the consequence of that?

00:28:05.060 Hey, look at that, Marco Rubio's Secretary of State.

00:28:07.460 And now we're going to war against Iran, maybe Venezuela.

00:28:10.400 We're doing everything that Israel wants.

00:28:12.540 And so, that's a nice break they caught.

00:28:14.900 What a coincidence.

00:28:16.320 And by the way, this is not a partisan issue.

00:28:18.400 You had Obama's former speechwriter go out the other day and say, we probably overtaught

00:28:23.980 the Holocaust to our kids, okay?

00:28:26.100 This woman, I think Sarah Hurwitz, but if I've got the name wrong.

00:28:29.160 I think that's right.

00:28:29.620 Yeah.

00:28:30.540 So, that's off the top of my head of who she is.

00:28:33.140 But she, Obama's speechwriter, and she says, we taught them the Nazis were strong and oppressed

00:28:40.520 the weak, but now Israel is strong and targeting the weak.

00:28:45.020 So, we shouldn't teach that anymore.

00:28:47.120 I'm like, do you hear yourself?

00:28:48.440 Do you hear what you're saying?

00:28:50.100 And then at Free Press, somebody wrote an article about, oh, our kids, they're against

00:28:54.920 genocide now.

00:28:55.760 What did we do wrong?

00:28:57.040 You didn't do anything wrong.

00:28:58.040 You told them a wonderful thing.

00:28:59.180 You taught them Jewish culture, never again, stick up for the underdog, question authority.

00:29:04.440 You can't murder innocents.

00:29:05.900 I mean, that's like a baseline.

00:29:08.180 You can't murder people who didn't do anything wrong, because it is murder.

00:29:11.220 There's no justification for killing innocent people, ever.

00:29:14.040 So, if you think about it, let's just take the Marco Rubio example.

00:29:17.780 And I'm not putting it all on Rubio.

00:29:19.200 It's a giant institution and infrastructure.

00:29:21.420 And like I said, it's 94% of Congress, right?

00:29:23.960 But you put in $5 million to Marco Rubio.

00:29:26.320 A decade later, he's Secretary of State.

00:29:28.380 And in the middle of your genocide, you got $21.7 billion.

00:29:32.440 Now, if you're Larry Ellison, do you want to put in the $21 billion yourself?

00:29:36.500 Or do you want to put in $5 million to a politician?

00:29:39.500 And then you get the $21 billion for free.

00:29:42.120 The problem is that it treats the people who are giving the money against their will.

00:29:47.040 There's never been a vote on this.

00:29:48.920 If there was a national referendum on it, should we be sending tens of billions of dollars to a country not our own?

00:29:54.480 Of course, it would fail immediately.

00:29:56.500 But it treats those people very badly.

00:30:02.080 It's kind of subhuman, like who cares what they think?

00:30:04.060 We're just going to take their money and debt their children unto the generations.

00:30:07.280 And it's just the contempt that that displays for Americans is unsettling to me.

00:30:12.840 So, I have a proposal on that, Tucker.

00:30:15.480 So, why don't we do a poll?

00:30:17.460 And I challenge CNN, New York Times, Gallup, anyone to do this poll.

00:30:21.180 And if none of them accept the challenge, then we'll do the poll.

00:30:23.960 We'll commission the poll, and then we'll see.

00:30:25.760 And then they could verify it if they like.

00:30:27.720 And the poll is, does America owe Israel any more money?

00:30:33.220 Because every pundit on television say, we owe Israel.

00:30:35.720 We owe Israel.

00:30:36.760 They never explain why, right?

00:30:38.960 People really say that?

00:30:40.160 All the time.

00:30:41.380 They say, okay, what do you mean, $300 billion?

00:30:43.080 You owed Israel.

00:30:44.180 Of course you should pay them $300 billion.

00:30:46.240 Why do I pay them $21 or $31 billion in the middle of a genocide?

00:30:50.200 You owe Israel.

00:30:51.720 Why do I owe Israel?

00:30:52.840 No one ever explains.

00:30:53.740 No one ever explains.

00:30:54.440 They actually, I've never heard that.

00:30:55.580 They actually say that out loud.

00:30:56.640 We owe them?

00:30:57.320 Of course.

00:30:58.280 Of course.

00:30:58.900 For what?

00:30:59.620 Where's the debt from?

00:31:00.780 Yeah.

00:31:01.200 And so, and when I press, I press on every one of these talking points.

00:31:05.980 That's part of why they despise me, right?

00:31:08.340 And I say, okay, help me understand that.

00:31:10.460 Why would we owe Israel?

00:31:12.420 Well, they suffered a Holocaust, the Jewish people.

00:31:14.900 Well, first of all, the Jewish people, they're not Israel, right?

00:31:16.860 That's different.

00:31:17.900 Okay, but wait, we rescued them from the Holocaust.

00:31:21.520 And all those Americans died.

00:31:23.400 A lot of them, hundreds of thousands of Americans died fighting that war.

00:31:27.540 If we rescued them from the Holocaust, why do we owe them money?

00:31:31.280 It's like, none of these talking points make any sense.

00:31:33.880 If you, all you do is, you know, just prick the bubble and people instantly go, oh, wait

00:31:38.620 a minute, lift the curtain.

00:31:39.860 So here, we rescued them.

00:31:41.220 But they'll actually say that?

00:31:42.400 Yeah.

00:31:42.900 So the Bosnians, right?

00:31:44.480 For example, right?

00:31:45.700 We rescued them from a genocide from the Serbs, right?

00:31:48.040 And I'm proud of that.

00:31:49.020 And I think we did, you know, we saved tons and tons of lives.

00:31:53.400 And you can say, maybe we shouldn't have interfered.

00:31:55.300 Maybe we should be more isolationist.

00:31:56.940 It's a good debate, but at least we did something demonstrably good there.

00:32:00.640 Okay.

00:32:01.280 Did the Bosnians, after we rescued them from the genocide, come and say to us, you owe

00:32:05.200 us?

00:32:06.240 No, they said, thank you.

00:32:07.840 By the way, you won't find anyone on this planet who loves Americans more than Bosnians.

00:32:12.820 Okay.

00:32:13.540 And so they love America.

00:32:14.920 They appreciate America.

00:32:15.900 Poland lost 5 million people in the Holocaust.

00:32:19.540 1.8 million non-Jews, 3 million Jews.

00:32:22.920 So after the Holocaust, Poland could have said, you owe us.

00:32:27.260 No, we saved Poland.

00:32:28.860 Russia saved Poland.

00:32:29.840 We saved Jews.

00:32:31.000 Russia saved Jews.

00:32:31.980 By the way, did Russia ever get a thank you after losing, what, 20 million or so people

00:32:36.680 in the war, right?

00:32:38.580 Instead, now Israel's constantly attacking Russia.

00:32:41.380 I got no love for Russia.

00:32:42.680 I think Putin is wrong.

00:32:43.840 I don't think he should have invaded Ukraine.

00:32:45.960 But wait a minute.

00:32:47.140 Why does anybody owe Israel for anything?

00:32:49.600 It doesn't make any sense at all.

00:32:50.960 No, it doesn't.

00:32:51.640 Okay.

00:32:52.300 So now they want a new memorandum of understanding.

00:32:55.280 They were going to try to make it 20 years and partly because of you and us and all the

00:33:00.180 people that are going, wait, why?

00:33:02.340 That a memorandum of understanding is a president saying, we owe you for the next 10 years, 20

00:33:08.340 years, et cetera.

00:33:08.920 And that's an agreement between the United States and Israel.

00:33:13.120 Yes.

00:33:13.760 So for example, Obama signed a 10-year memorandum of understanding saying, we owe Israel 3.8

00:33:19.580 billion every year for 10 years.

00:33:21.700 So no votes on it during that period.

00:33:23.420 The only votes you get is it gets put automatically into the budget every year.

00:33:28.480 And once it gets put in, you have to actively take it out.

00:33:31.700 But if you go to take it out, they'll call you an anti-Semite and try to ruin your career.

00:33:35.500 I have amazing stories about that.

00:33:37.740 Marie Newman, a U.S. congresswoman, voted against one of the appropriations that Israel

00:33:43.940 got.

00:33:44.820 Four Democratic colleagues come on the floor of the House and say, how dare you?

00:33:49.860 You, how dare you vote against Israel?

00:33:53.920 We're going to take away all your money.

00:33:55.960 Actually?

00:33:56.640 Yes.

00:33:57.100 You could ask Marie Newman about it.

00:33:58.440 She said it on the Young Turks.

00:33:59.860 This happened just a couple of years ago.

00:34:01.620 Okay.

00:34:01.820 She was in Congress from Illinois.

00:34:03.360 They said, we're going to take away all your money and we're going to spend a ton of money

00:34:06.260 against you.

00:34:07.260 Her own party?

00:34:08.300 Yeah.

00:34:08.960 Her own party.

00:34:09.840 And that's what happened.

00:34:10.620 They spent about 4 million against her, eliminated.

00:34:13.520 No way.

00:34:14.760 And 11, a Jewish American congressman from Michigan, kind of a legendary Jewish family,

00:34:19.860 in Michigan.

00:34:20.500 Yeah.

00:34:20.700 Carl Levin was a senator.

00:34:21.960 Yeah.

00:34:22.180 Sandra Levin.

00:34:22.820 Yeah.

00:34:22.960 Yeah.

00:34:23.420 Andy Levin says, two-state solution.

00:34:25.200 He says, I love Israel.

00:34:26.020 I'm a Zionist.

00:34:26.960 Okay.

00:34:27.900 But obviously we should have a free and independent Israel and a free and independent Palestine.

00:34:32.160 Four million against Andy Levin, eliminated.

00:34:34.600 No way.

00:34:35.780 Eliminated.

00:34:36.800 Jamal Bowman, you think it was about the fire alarm?

00:34:39.800 Hey, you might be upset about the fire alarm or whatever else Jamal Bowman did.

00:34:43.460 They spent, the Israeli lobby spent 19 million eliminating Jamal Bowman.

00:34:49.220 Cori Bush, eliminated.

00:34:51.120 Okay.

00:34:51.960 Anyone who opposes Israel is eliminated.

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00:35:54.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:35:54.860 I mean, this is shocking and I'll confess I don't follow the details of democratic politics closely enough to have heard of any of this.

00:36:02.080 I knew about Jamal Bowman, but the rest I didn't.

00:36:04.480 So, I wonder about that strategy, which they're now employing on the right and trying to, you know, slandering people as Nazis or trying to get them killed, which they're doing.

00:36:15.580 But I wonder, like, as a strategy, obviously it's immoral, but does it actually work?

00:36:20.980 Isn't it better to say, as you would in any negotiation, like, here are the things I actually care about.

00:36:26.540 Let's see if we can come to terms.

00:36:28.120 Like, allow a little bit of flexibility.

00:36:30.480 There's no flexibility allowed.

00:36:32.500 Well, Tucker, congrats.

00:36:33.860 You have forced Israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly.

00:36:38.120 I don't feel that at all.

00:36:40.040 I feel that because I've never been against Israel and I'm not against Israel now.

00:36:43.720 I'm not against any person, actually.

00:36:45.300 And I'm certainly, as a Christian, totally opposed to hating a group based on its blood.

00:36:51.200 That would include whites, blacks, Hispanics, Turks, and Jews.

00:36:55.380 And I mean that.

00:36:56.380 So, whatever.

00:36:56.900 I've really tried to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's settle this down.

00:36:59.900 It doesn't work.

00:37:00.680 And I just wonder, that doesn't seem like a good strategy.

00:37:02.820 I guess that's what I'm saying.

00:37:03.760 Like, just as a negotiating position, it's like you have to have some willingness to move.

00:37:10.620 You can't be that rigid or you're not going to win in the end.

00:37:13.720 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 So, the reason I said that is because, look, first, let's distinguish.

00:37:18.400 There's, mainstream media purposely blends all these things together, partly because Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as human shields.

00:37:28.040 They want to say, if you're attacking us, you're attacking Jewish Americans.

00:37:31.320 And so, you're not allowed to.

00:37:33.360 You're not allowed to, right?

00:37:34.540 But in reality, there's Jews as people slash Jewish Americans.

00:37:39.020 Then there's how you feel about Israel.

00:37:41.380 Then there's how you feel about the Israeli government, right?

00:37:44.720 We are talking about the current Israeli government.

00:37:47.780 And they say, no, you're talking about Jews because they want to hide behind that, right?

00:37:51.980 When we keep saying, no, not the Jews.

00:37:54.160 And they're like, no, the Jews, the Jews.

00:37:55.600 Like, stop saying the Jews.

00:37:56.860 It's not the Jews.

00:37:57.620 Moreover, I get to define what I think and what I'm talking about.

00:38:00.600 And let me repeat myself.

00:38:02.380 I think anti-Semitism is immoral and I won't engage in it ever, period.

00:38:06.160 So, I get to decide, because I'm a sovereign man, what I think.

00:38:10.860 And I can try to express it as well as I can.

00:38:13.200 No one has a right to tell you what you think.

00:38:15.660 Yeah, it's really obnoxious.

00:38:17.760 Well, it's Orwellian.

00:38:18.760 It's like, are you in charge of my soul?

00:38:20.380 Yeah.

00:38:20.640 I don't think you are.

00:38:21.340 So, for example, I'm an atheist.

00:38:23.420 So, what does that mean?

00:38:24.200 That means I think all humans are pretty much the same genetically, right?

00:38:27.940 That's stone cold.

00:38:29.720 So, if you told me a Jewish, a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu is different, I'm philosophically opposed to that.

00:38:35.920 I'm ideologically opposed to that.

00:38:37.260 I'm scientifically opposed to that.

00:38:39.160 I just think it's wrong.

00:38:40.520 It's incorrect, factually incorrect.

00:38:42.820 So, that is a distraction and they've now weaponized the term antisemitism, which also does a lot of damage.

00:38:51.200 Because when real antisemitism comes, people will think, oh, those are the heroes fighting against the genocide, right?

00:38:56.660 That's what I was told.

00:38:57.320 But it also scares people.

00:38:58.900 I mean, I've experienced this a lot in my personal life where people I know and love have been convinced that I'm, you know, Nazi or Nazi adjacent or hate Jews or whatever and that I'm trying to hurt people, which is literally the opposite of what I would ever do, want to do.

00:39:18.520 I don't agree with that at all.

00:39:20.020 And I say that constantly, but they've whipped people into a frenzy, preying upon their deepest fears, and there are many victims of that kind of evil.

00:39:29.680 But one of the victims is the people who are being terrified.

00:39:32.420 Like, people are terrified.

00:39:34.140 I think, actually, the number one target of Israeli propaganda is Jewish Americans.

00:39:39.980 Oh, of course.

00:39:40.680 They say, oh, if it's not for Israel, the whole world hates you and you're all going to die.

00:39:45.640 You're all going to die.

00:39:47.340 Everyone hates you.

00:39:48.360 And it's an unreasonable hate.

00:39:50.280 It's a hate that can't be even reasoned with or discussed.

00:39:54.500 You don't have to know anything about why people disagree.

00:39:57.520 It's hate.

00:39:58.420 It's fundamentally irrational and it will never end until they kill you or you kill them.

00:40:04.860 It's like, whoa, that is a very heavy thing.

00:40:08.580 First of all, it's untrue.

00:40:09.660 Second, you're inspiring violence by talking like that.

00:40:12.900 I mean, the only end point of that kind of thinking is violence.

00:40:15.440 It can only be solved by violence.

00:40:17.620 Kill or be killed.

00:40:18.500 That's what they're saying.

00:40:19.820 Yeah.

00:40:20.060 And so, again, mad lib it.

00:40:22.220 Say, okay, let's say that you oppose something the Turkish government did, which I hope you do because they've done plenty of bad things.

00:40:28.320 I oppose a bunch of things that the Turkish government has done.

00:40:31.220 I just don't like Turks.

00:40:32.820 That's my problem.

00:40:33.680 But, I mean, that's the point, right?

00:40:36.040 If you said, hey, you know, I don't think the Turks should have gone into northern Syria and I say anti-Turkish racist, you'd be like, what?

00:40:43.280 What kind of lunatic are you, right?

00:40:45.520 That's not a thing.

00:40:46.800 That doesn't, just because you disagree with the actions of a government at this time doesn't mean that you hate Turks in perpetuity forever and ever.

00:40:55.940 You hated them before.

00:40:56.940 You hate them after.

00:40:57.700 No, I just don't agree.

00:40:59.300 Look, I didn't agree with the Iraq war.

00:41:01.160 Does that mean I hate Americans?

00:41:02.760 No, it means I don't agree with that government action taken at that time.

00:41:06.960 And all of that is very logical until you get to Israel and then they flip it on its head.

00:41:12.140 But can you see how irrational and fear-based the conversation is becoming and the cost to American society, not even having anything to do with Israel, but just that way of thinking is a scary way of thinking.

00:41:24.660 First of all, it's identity politics in its purest form.

00:41:27.800 You know, this group versus that group.

00:41:29.540 This group has special rights.

00:41:30.640 This group has fewer rights.

00:41:31.680 I mean, this is everything that I hate and disagree with as a Christian.

00:41:35.020 But can you see the cost to the whole society because of this?

00:41:40.440 Oh, it's an enormous cost.

00:41:42.120 Making people hate each other.

00:41:43.500 Yeah.

00:41:43.820 Look, I'll go back to the stats on how awful the genocide was and all of that.

00:41:48.460 But to me, at least as bad is the control over this country.

00:41:54.160 Okay.

00:41:54.640 And I came here to be free.

00:41:56.600 And I came here for American sovereignty.

00:41:58.600 How old were you when you came?

00:41:59.780 Eight years old.

00:42:00.560 My family came here because my dad is an enormous believer in America.

00:42:05.660 Yes.

00:42:05.980 You won't find a family who loves America more than we do.

00:42:08.500 Right?

00:42:08.740 Yes.

00:42:08.920 And by the way, he had that belief in faith and it was met.

00:42:13.540 We came here and that faith was true.

00:42:17.180 That hope was delivered.

00:42:18.900 And we have lived amazing lives in this country because of the opportunity and the hope that this country provided.

00:42:25.120 Yes.

00:42:25.260 And by the way, our answer to that is thank you.

00:42:28.000 Amen.

00:42:28.580 I feel that way.

00:42:29.260 I feel grateful.

00:42:30.160 Yeah.

00:42:30.340 I'm enormously grateful to America.

00:42:32.120 Yeah.

00:42:32.260 And by the way, when America helps you, the correct answer is thank you.

00:42:34.960 Not you owe me.

00:42:36.620 Okay.

00:42:36.880 And give me more.

00:42:38.280 That's not the correct answer.

00:42:39.660 Right.

00:42:40.040 And it's not taken as a correct answer from any other country.

00:42:42.900 But when it comes to Israel and they say, no, give me more.

00:42:45.560 Right?

00:42:46.440 We're supposed to say, oh, thank you, sir.

00:42:48.140 No, I don't want to say thank you.

00:42:49.160 You have children.

00:42:49.800 How would you respond to your children if they said that to you?

00:42:52.760 Oh, that would be a mistake for them.

00:42:55.680 Yes.

00:42:56.320 Oh, you can't.

00:42:57.180 And there would be consequences.

00:42:58.600 Yeah.

00:42:58.940 You can't put up with that.

00:42:59.960 Not for one second.

00:43:00.760 You degrade yourself.

00:43:02.040 You hurt the person you're dealing with because you inspire more of that behavior, which is totally bad behavior.

00:43:09.540 Yeah.

00:43:09.820 It's so unhealthy.

00:43:10.960 I mean, how could we get, how do we get into this?

00:43:13.740 Yeah.

00:43:13.940 Let me, let me give you two examples about how they are taking our freedom away.

00:43:17.480 Okay.

00:43:18.040 So a friend of mine runs a company in LA.

00:43:19.760 Uh, he gets an email from what looks like probably a bot, but it could be an Israeli troll, whatever it is.

00:43:26.580 But some buddy writing in saying, we found out that one of your American workers is an anti-Semite and you should fire her.

00:43:35.120 He's like, really?

00:43:36.160 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:43:37.000 What did she do?

00:43:37.940 Did she attack someone?

00:43:40.000 Did she say something outrageous?

00:43:41.540 And he finds out that she had put up a Palestinian flag during the genocide in support of like, hey, I'm against the genocide.

00:43:48.760 These poor people on her Facebook account.

00:43:51.020 That's it.

00:43:51.700 Nothing against Israel.

00:43:52.600 You're allowed to have that view.

00:43:53.480 You can support the Palestinians.

00:43:54.420 You can support Hamas.

00:43:55.180 You can support whatever you want as an American.

00:43:57.100 But she's not supporting Hamas.

00:43:58.520 I get it.

00:43:59.240 But like, let's just remind ourselves that we have a full range of intellectual freedom because of the First Amendment and because God gave us those rights, not any administration.

00:44:09.820 So like, you cannot allow infringement on those rights.

00:44:12.300 She doesn't even say anything against Israel, let alone Jews.

00:44:15.520 She just says, you know, just has the Palestinian flag.

00:44:18.660 They're like, that's just an average American.

00:44:20.680 It's not Tucker Carlson.

00:44:21.520 It's not Jane Huger.

00:44:22.240 She doesn't have a show.

00:44:23.340 She's a random American.

00:44:24.880 Now, all of a sudden, the Israelis are emailing your boss and saying, if they dare even support the Palestinians, treat them as humans, they're anti-Semites and they should be fired.

00:44:36.360 No, no, that's oppression.

00:44:37.800 That's oppression.

00:44:38.640 And it's against the average American.

00:44:40.080 I can't stand it.

00:44:41.400 Okay.

00:44:41.920 So you and I get attacked.

00:44:42.740 It certainly is oppression.

00:44:43.800 Yeah, nonstop.

00:44:45.340 But I get it.

00:44:45.800 We're in the media.

00:44:46.500 We're in wars, right?

00:44:47.540 These information wars, these media wars, et cetera.

00:44:50.060 But leave average Americans out of it.

00:44:51.760 Of course.

00:44:52.600 And they won't tolerate it.

00:44:53.760 They won't tolerate any dissent, any dissent at all.

00:44:57.060 What is that?

00:44:58.300 Because, so you know why, Tucker?

00:45:00.640 It's worked for them.

00:45:01.580 So now that leads to the second example, Barry Weiss, right?

00:45:04.600 So Barry Weiss claims she's like, remember when she was at the New York Times, she's fighting against cancel culture.

00:45:11.600 Our college campuses have been taken over by cancel culture.

00:45:14.260 She promoted cancel culture when she was on the campus of her college, Columbia, when she pushed for anyone who was against Israel to be silenced.

00:45:23.580 I mean, she's always been for cancel culture.

00:45:25.700 Exactly.

00:45:26.260 Exactly.

00:45:27.300 So she actually started her career as a student who went around saying, I'm proudly Zionist and I'm going to try to take out Arab and Muslim professors who don't toe the line for Israel.

00:45:40.540 So she got famous doing cancel culture on college campuses.

00:45:44.760 Oh, I remember very well.

00:45:45.840 Then she pretends in the middle of her career that she's against cancel culture, specifically on college campuses.

00:45:51.100 I mean, the lie is so brazen, right?

00:45:53.580 And then she goes to free press and then starts cancel culture again on college campuses.

00:45:59.160 They spoke out against Israel.

00:46:01.120 They should be fired.

00:46:02.080 They should be arrested.

00:46:03.260 Oh, yeah.

00:46:04.240 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:46:05.540 I'm a dangerous Nazi.

00:46:06.620 You're talking about arresting Americans for disagreeing with another government, with another country.

00:46:17.600 I mean, if you're not bothered by that, then you have a servant mindset, right?

00:46:22.340 Yes.

00:46:22.940 These folks obviously have 94% of Congress.

00:46:26.220 They obviously, pro-Israel factions have almost all of established media.

00:46:30.920 We can come back to why.

00:46:32.280 Okay.

00:46:33.080 And I'm okay with it.

00:46:35.280 I will serve them.

00:46:36.620 Well, I'm not okay with it.

00:46:37.840 I don't want to bow.

00:46:39.260 I love that America's free.

00:46:40.880 We came for that freedom and that freedom is delivered for us.

00:46:43.100 But I don't want to give it away.

00:46:44.580 I don't want to give it away to anyone.

00:46:46.560 If I wanted to give away my freedom, I would have stayed in the Middle East.

00:46:49.220 Yeah.

00:46:49.560 Okay.

00:46:49.940 I came here for the promise of America.

00:46:52.360 Our family did.

00:46:53.900 So, and you know, among Muslim Americans, there is no group.

00:46:59.600 I was born Muslim.

00:47:00.880 I'm atheist now.

00:47:02.040 Okay.

00:47:02.320 So, at 22, I went through the religions.

00:47:05.280 It wasn't for me.

00:47:05.960 Okay.

00:47:06.920 But am I going to defend my family and my background?

00:47:09.900 Sure, I am.

00:47:10.420 Of course.

00:47:11.100 Right.

00:47:11.640 But ideologically, I'm atheist.

00:47:13.340 So, I had, this country had room for me.

00:47:18.740 And this country didn't ask, are you Muslim?

00:47:20.700 Are you atheist?

00:47:21.680 Are you this?

00:47:22.320 Are you that?

00:47:23.040 It just, it gave me the same rights as anyone else.

00:47:25.140 And I love that.

00:47:27.140 And I'm pretty sure, I mean, Erdogan's taking away democracy in Turkey, in my opinion.

00:47:30.940 Yes.

00:47:31.420 And he's done some good foreign policy, but his domestic policy, I'm a guest.

00:47:35.380 Okay.

00:47:36.160 If I stayed in Turkey, I would almost certainly be in prison at this point.

00:47:39.340 Right.

00:47:39.940 And here, I'm not in prison.

00:47:41.680 No.

00:47:41.920 And if you turn America into an occupied nation, that's not what we came for.

00:47:47.180 That's not what, I mean, that is against the core of what America is.

00:47:50.720 And if they're paying 94% of Congress, we're occupied.

00:47:54.300 Yes.

00:47:54.620 Because we are.

00:47:56.080 And it's not just Israel, we're occupied by big pharma and big oil and defense contractors.

00:48:01.420 But all those politicians represent those people and not us.

00:48:04.780 I would love, my driving goal is regain American sovereignty.

00:48:09.420 And when I go to talk to Muslim groups, A, they say, look, now all of a sudden they're very open to the right wing.

00:48:16.660 Why are they open to the right wing?

00:48:17.820 Because you, Candace, Megan, and others are saying, hey, maybe we got fed a lot of propaganda to hate Muslims because they happen to be Israel's enemies.

00:48:28.440 Well, of course.

00:48:29.300 And so maybe all that media about how they're, oh, they're terrorists, terrorists.

00:48:33.980 And you look at it and you go, and we were taught by books that Robert Maxwell bought that Israel was attacked in 1948.

00:48:43.260 Israel was attacked in 1967.

00:48:45.380 Israel's always the victim, victim, victim.

00:48:47.300 And then you look, you go, wait a minute, 1967, Israel attacked.

00:48:51.660 I was lied to.

00:48:52.920 No, Israel attacked all of its neighbors and destroyed their military, their air forces before they even got up off the ground.

00:48:58.520 Right.

00:48:58.940 And they called that a preemptive strike.

00:49:01.580 So that became the new self-defense is offense.

00:49:05.680 And what did we do in Iraq?

00:49:08.060 Preemptive strike.

00:49:09.040 We went into Iraq and they could have weapons of mass destruction.

00:49:13.200 By the way, where did we get that false intelligence?

00:49:15.860 Israel.

00:49:16.260 At the time, Ariel Sharon was saying Iraq is Israel's number one enemy.

00:49:22.780 Iraq at the time, by the way, hated Al-Qaeda.

00:49:25.420 Al-Qaeda attacked us.

00:49:26.740 Of course, it was a Ba'athist government.

00:49:28.040 It was secular.

00:49:28.740 They had tons of Christians in the government.

00:49:30.540 Yeah.

00:49:30.720 Not only that, Al-Qaeda constantly attacked the local rulers.

00:49:34.940 So if Saddam ever caught Al-Qaeda, he executed him on the spot.

00:49:39.100 Right.

00:49:39.760 So in a sense, he's an ally of sorts in that case against Al-Qaeda.

00:49:45.280 And a counterbalance to Iran.

00:49:46.980 Yeah.

00:49:47.280 Which had held our hostages for over a year in 1979.

00:49:49.640 So it's like, that was in no sense consistent with her interests.

00:49:54.140 Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 at all, despite the many, many lies.

00:49:58.800 Because I knew people who told those lies, really, really, Steve Hayes wrote a whole book

00:50:03.700 about it.

00:50:04.040 It was a lie.

00:50:04.960 No one's ever apologized.

00:50:05.740 But those lies all served one imperative, which is fight Israel's enemies.

00:50:11.240 I was there.

00:50:12.160 So I know that that's true.

00:50:13.500 And everyone knows that that's true.

00:50:14.820 And you're now required to lie about it.

00:50:16.700 It was just a mistake.

00:50:17.380 It was not a mistake at all.

00:50:18.720 It was totally intentional.

00:50:21.160 Yeah.

00:50:21.540 And so when I give speeches to those Muslim groups and I talk about American sovereignty,

00:50:26.420 that's when I get the biggest applause.

00:50:28.480 Because who is the victim of another government meddling in the American government the most?

00:50:34.960 Muslim Americans are.

00:50:36.180 Because, I mean, there's no equivalent.

00:50:39.640 I mean, for any money that the Gulf countries or anything else puts into America, it doesn't

00:50:45.160 get any power at all.

00:50:46.200 Okay, so but the Turks, this is interesting because you were born in Turkey.

00:50:49.660 You came here at a, your co-host on your show or someone on your show, Anna Kasparian is

00:50:55.220 just a wonderful person, I think, but is Armenian.

00:50:59.820 So one of the most famous feuds in history, one of the most famous genocides was the Armenian

00:51:04.000 genocide right after the, during the First World War.

00:51:07.200 And here you are, good friends and work together every day.

00:51:10.560 And that, to me, is a huge part of the promise of America.

00:51:13.020 You can leave your tribal wars in the countries of origin and come here and interact as equals

00:51:18.240 under the American flag as citizens.

00:51:20.180 Like, that is truly the vision.

00:51:22.360 I think everyone, you know, we imported tons of Irish in the 1840s into an Anglo country.

00:51:27.440 They didn't need each other.

00:51:28.860 Those countries had been, hated each other for centuries.

00:51:31.500 But they all came here and pretty much got along, sort of, watching the Israelis import, which

00:51:38.760 they are doing, and there are many proxies in the US, importing their ancient tribal conflicts

00:51:44.180 into my country, telling me that as an Anglo multi-century American, my family, that I have

00:51:51.280 to hate Muslims or something.

00:51:52.500 It's like, first of all, I'll decide who I hate, not you.

00:51:54.440 It's not up to you who I hate.

00:51:55.700 You're not in charge of me.

00:51:57.280 And second, like, that's your battle.

00:51:59.480 Why don't you keep it in the Levant?

00:52:01.960 Like, I don't want anything to do with that, right?

00:52:04.180 Yeah.

00:52:04.480 But now it completely dominates you.

00:52:06.060 I hate Muslims.

00:52:06.980 It's like, first of all, I believe in Jesus.

00:52:08.960 I'm not a Muslim.

00:52:10.080 But I like a lot of Muslims.

00:52:11.300 And I'm never going to say I don't.

00:52:13.260 And isn't that funny that they're like, if you don't agree to everything the Israeli

00:52:16.880 government does, then you hate Jews.

00:52:19.000 But if you don't...

00:52:19.820 I don't hate Jews.

00:52:20.600 And I don't hate Muslims.

00:52:21.620 And I don't want any part of their fight.

00:52:23.320 I mean, why would I?

00:52:24.600 But wait, Tucker.

00:52:25.240 Then they go on to the second part of the sentence.

00:52:27.800 So, like, if you disagree with Israel, you're a bigot.

00:52:30.080 Then they say, you have to hate Muslims.

00:52:32.680 But wait a minute.

00:52:33.140 I thought you were against bigotry.

00:52:35.420 So, you're not against bigotry.

00:52:37.040 So, how is hate all Muslims any different from hate all Jews?

00:52:40.660 Well, it's not.

00:52:41.460 It's not.

00:52:41.960 It's not.

00:52:42.480 Right.

00:52:42.660 It's the same.

00:52:44.040 But these...

00:52:44.940 You know, you have people who don't believe in universal principles.

00:52:46.960 And that's kind of the core problem.

00:52:48.800 It's like only certain types of hate are bad.

00:52:51.460 Only certain kinds of bigotry are bad.

00:52:52.720 No, no, no.

00:52:53.000 If bigotry is bad, it's always bad.

00:52:54.960 Because all people are created by God.

00:52:56.940 And they're inherently equal.

00:52:58.600 They may have different abilities.

00:53:00.340 They do have different abilities.

00:53:01.340 But they have equal value.

00:53:03.280 And if you don't believe that, which Barry Weiss doesn't, then you can with a straight face say,

00:53:08.400 anti-Semitism is wrong.

00:53:09.460 I agree with you, Barry Weiss.

00:53:11.320 Hating Muslims is right.

00:53:12.840 No.

00:53:13.760 I mean...

00:53:14.120 I don't agree with you.

00:53:14.880 I'm sorry.

00:53:15.400 Yeah.

00:53:15.940 And by the way, don't bring that into my country.

00:53:18.040 Go away.

00:53:18.560 Yes.

00:53:19.660 Laura Loomer, Mark Levin say all the time, you should hate Muslims.

00:53:24.340 Muslims are the problem.

00:53:25.960 Well, then you've lost your moral high ground.

00:53:28.480 Well, they don't believe in a universal principle.

00:53:30.200 It's just identity politics.

00:53:32.220 It's no better than any other form of identity politics.

00:53:34.640 And it's all disgusting and immoral.

00:53:36.740 Exactly.

00:53:37.660 So, whereas to your point, Anna and I do a show together, and that's an Armenian and a Turk

00:53:42.620 doing a show together.

00:53:43.780 Literally.

00:53:44.260 And a show called The Young Turks.

00:53:45.920 I was like, well, I first thought it was this years ago.

00:53:47.780 I was like, holy smokes.

00:53:49.520 Yeah.

00:53:49.680 People may not know what The Young Turks were, but whatever.

00:53:53.020 Isn't that beautiful?

00:53:54.300 Isn't that a beautiful thing about America?

00:53:55.820 It's the promise of America.

00:53:56.580 Leave your tribal, your ancient tribal conflicts and your countries of origin and come here

00:54:00.400 and exist as equal citizens under the law.

00:54:02.820 That is, to me, that's the most American sentiment I can imagine.

00:54:06.540 Yeah.

00:54:06.940 And by the way, when you do that, that doesn't mean that you leave your entire culture behind.

00:54:11.880 Don't bring your food.

00:54:12.880 Don't bring your language.

00:54:13.700 Don't bring this.

00:54:14.340 Don't bring that.

00:54:14.520 I agree.

00:54:15.220 No, no.

00:54:16.000 We've had, the Italians brought pizza.

00:54:18.940 The Jews brought bagel and luxe and pastrami and the Chinese brought Chinese.

00:54:23.580 It's great and wonderful.

00:54:24.700 Love it.

00:54:25.060 Love it.

00:54:25.300 Love it.

00:54:25.840 But you have to agree that America is your top identity.

00:54:31.220 Of course.

00:54:31.940 Or else you're going to have Hutus and Tutsis murdering each other in your cities.

00:54:35.760 Yeah.

00:54:35.980 Like, no.

00:54:37.020 How about no?

00:54:37.840 You have to be an American.

00:54:39.540 It means something to be an American.

00:54:42.080 It means you put ancient tribal hatred aside.

00:54:45.780 I mean, so when you look at the Young Turks, our audiences, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Muslims,

00:54:50.220 Christians, everyone, everyone.

00:54:52.280 And in the old world, that wouldn't have happened.

00:54:54.060 That's why we came here.

00:54:55.360 Because we don't want the old world.

00:54:57.080 We want this world.

00:54:58.480 This world of freedom and equality.

00:55:00.240 Amen.

00:55:00.760 Amen.

00:55:01.560 Right.

00:55:01.800 I just could not agree with what you said more strongly.

00:55:03.980 I just really feel it.

00:55:05.200 Yeah.

00:55:05.400 So back to the memorandum of understanding why.

00:55:08.360 Sorry.

00:55:08.720 I'm a digressor.

00:55:09.760 No, no.

00:55:10.160 Cenk.

00:55:10.860 I'm doing the same thing.

00:55:12.760 So they say 20-year.

00:55:14.380 The new one we want is a 20-year memorandum of us.

00:55:16.820 So we have to give you a 20-year contract.

00:55:20.580 And they say the $4 billion that we're giving them currently per year on top of everything

00:55:24.040 else is not enough.

00:55:25.520 And they started talking about $5 billion.

00:55:27.240 So wait a minute.

00:55:27.900 Now, $5 billion, 20 years.

00:55:29.440 We're talking about another $100 billion we're going to borrow from China to give to Israel

00:55:35.180 and then pay interest the rest of our lives.

00:55:37.080 And this is exclusive of this does not include military obligations.

00:55:41.540 So if there's another war, of course, we'll backstop it with missile defense or whatever

00:55:44.960 carriers in the region.

00:55:46.860 Right.

00:55:47.340 So it doesn't even include that.

00:55:48.480 Yeah.

00:55:49.300 So but because they got so much pushback, this is the first time I've ever seen the Israelis

00:55:54.500 give an inch.

00:55:56.040 All of a sudden Netanyahu comes and goes, maybe 10 years.

00:55:59.620 Maybe we taper it off.

00:56:00.900 Right.

00:56:01.560 It's total bullshit.

00:56:02.780 Maybe go away and never come back.

00:56:04.900 Yeah.

00:56:05.300 How about that?

00:56:06.260 So look, I started a site, notanotherdollar.com.

00:56:10.880 OK, notanotherdollar.com.

00:56:12.800 Is that a hate site?

00:56:14.080 They would call it that.

00:56:15.760 So what we're saying is, look, two things.

00:56:18.060 One is, number one, if you if a congressperson takes money from Israel, vote against them.

00:56:25.040 OK, now, why?

00:56:26.800 Because we want our representatives to be our representatives.

00:56:31.120 It's not an outrageous ass.

00:56:32.340 It's a bare minimum mask.

00:56:33.540 Right.

00:56:34.180 And happy to apply to any country.

00:56:36.640 OK.

00:56:37.180 But right now, Israel is the one giving to 94 percent of Congress.

00:56:40.140 So there has to be some consequences.

00:56:43.160 I agree.

00:56:43.700 So since we're peaceful and nonviolent and by the way, again, violence destroys any movement.

00:56:49.340 That is why a lot of times counterinsurgencies start the violence.

00:56:53.500 Of course.

00:56:54.300 Right.

00:56:54.700 Always.

00:56:55.340 They can destroy.

00:56:55.960 So if anyone.

00:56:56.820 There's nothing more real than false flags.

00:56:58.720 Yes.

00:56:59.140 It's just a fact.

00:56:59.980 It's been a feature of warfare, hot and cold from the beginning of history.

00:57:03.740 So do if anyone proposes violence, they're on the other side.

00:57:07.820 OK, reject them, turn them in, turn them into the authorities.

00:57:11.200 OK, zero violence so they cannot destroy the movement.

00:57:14.160 OK.

00:57:14.620 And because it's the right thing to do and it's the moral position.

00:57:17.760 Right.

00:57:18.340 So what we're saying is I also have OperationConsequences.com.

00:57:22.480 It goes to the same thing.

00:57:23.380 So what are the consequences?

00:57:24.480 Not violent, not hatred, not anything.

00:57:27.140 Just if you vote with Israel to give them another dollar, we're going to vote against you.

00:57:32.640 And you know what?

00:57:33.560 You don't have to cross party lines.

00:57:35.940 That's what primaries are for.

00:57:37.840 Yeah.

00:57:38.020 So if you're a Republican, you never have to vote for a Democrat.

00:57:40.060 If you're a Democrat, you never have to vote for a Republican.

00:57:42.000 Go into the primaries and we're going to make two lists.

00:57:44.760 One is, are you taking money from Israel?

00:57:47.640 OK, and that list already exists.

00:57:49.220 You know, you have AIPAC tracker, et cetera.

00:57:50.700 We'll put it up on the site so you can see, oh, these guys are taking money and these guys aren't.

00:57:54.640 So when you see Tom Massey and he takes no money from AIPAC or any of the Israeli lobbies, you go, I might agree or disagree with Tom Massey, but at least I know he's honest and he represents us and not a different government.

00:58:07.360 OK, and the second thing we're saying is, did you give money to Israel or did you take money from Israel and did you give money to Israel?

00:58:15.200 So if forget the past, because they all gave money in the past.

00:58:18.420 OK, we're fair, clean slate.

00:58:20.120 But going forward, you vote one more time for another dollar to Israel and you're never going to get our vote ever.

00:58:27.700 It's a solemn pledge.

00:58:29.420 OK, now you could sign the pledges on notanotherdollar.com or operationconsequence.com, but it doesn't matter.

00:58:35.820 Create your own website, create your own pledge, create your own movement or join the movement.

00:58:40.040 Say, hey, you know what?

00:58:40.680 I don't want to go to those sites.

00:58:41.660 I want to do it on my show.

00:58:42.640 Great.

00:58:42.940 I love it.

00:58:43.640 Right.

00:58:44.240 You know, I want to do it in a right wing way.

00:58:45.880 Great.

00:58:46.140 I love it.

00:58:46.640 Left wing way.

00:58:47.100 Great.

00:58:47.260 I love it.

00:58:47.900 OK, but you've got to get the representatives some consequences.

00:58:52.460 It sounds like democracy.

00:58:54.240 Exactly.

00:58:54.920 That's all it is.

00:58:55.920 That's all it is.

00:58:56.580 So just inject the views of the people who own the government into the conversation about what the government should do.

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:02.580 So if you, for example, if you do that poll, does America owe Israel any more money?

00:59:10.360 My guess is an overwhelming majority are going to say no.

00:59:13.600 How would you get that poll?

00:59:15.100 How would you get, I mean, do you think you could get CNN to take that poll?

00:59:19.600 Well, if they say that, no, we're not going to ask Americans that, then they obviously have an agenda.

00:59:25.260 They claim to be objective, right?

00:59:26.760 CNN claims to be objective.

00:59:28.980 They're still pretending that.

00:59:29.760 I worked there for many years.

00:59:31.000 Not objective.

00:59:31.780 Right.

00:59:32.380 New York Times very much pretends to be objective.

00:59:35.380 All right.

00:59:35.980 Then ask the question, does America owe Israel any more money?

00:59:40.580 OK, now, if you say, maybe we're wrong, Tucker, right?

00:59:45.100 Maybe the Americans come in and go, 80% of Americans say, yes, we owe Israel more money.

00:59:49.840 Then we'll stand corrected.

00:59:51.540 And we'll go, our bad.

00:59:52.880 Americans can't wait to give more money to Israel, no matter what the circumstances are.

00:59:56.660 But wait, if it turns out 68%, 82%, some significant majority of Americans say, no, we don't owe them any more money.

01:00:04.820 Now, does the voice of the American people matter or does it not matter?

01:00:11.060 And you know what the answer is, and that's why they won't do the poll, and that's why we'll do it for them.

01:00:16.280 That's OK, right?

01:00:19.240 Look, right now, 92% of Democrats say that what Israel did in Gaza was wrong, and that was before the election.

01:00:26.140 And both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said, I don't care about my voters.

01:00:29.720 I don't care about 92% of my voters.

01:00:34.360 They couldn't have been any clearer.

01:00:36.300 I'm going to serve Israel instead.

01:00:38.580 Now, number one donor lifetime to Joe Biden is AIPAC.

01:00:43.660 AIPAC gave Kamala Harris.

01:00:44.860 Is that true?

01:00:45.340 Yes.

01:00:45.820 Over $11 million throughout his career.

01:00:48.360 The Israeli lobby totally financed.

01:00:50.580 $11 million just to Joe Biden?

01:00:52.860 Just to Joe Biden.

01:00:53.940 OK.

01:00:54.600 And that, again.

01:00:55.220 I would have thought it was Citibank or the credit card companies.

01:00:58.020 So he was known as the senator from MBNA, which is a credit card company in Delaware.

01:01:04.380 So he was literally known for corruption.

01:01:06.860 Now, did you hear that in mainstream media from Objective CNN?

01:01:08.900 No, they gave his son a house.

01:01:10.560 Right.

01:01:10.920 I mean, it was pretty open.

01:01:12.040 Yeah.

01:01:12.660 I mean, Joe Biden's trademark thing in Washington was do whatever the donors tell you.

01:01:18.820 That's why the one promise he kept was to the donors.

01:01:21.900 Remember, he said to them, nothing will fundamentally change.

01:01:25.220 Because if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change.

01:01:29.580 Right.

01:01:30.120 Because then you might slip from the top.

01:01:32.140 If you're at the top, you love the status quo.

01:01:35.240 So you want a politician coming and telling you, nothing will fundamentally change.

01:01:39.060 So here's one question that I have that I don't have the answer to.

01:01:41.860 So I understand that that's all consistent with the darker parts of human nature.

01:01:45.540 I'm winning.

01:01:46.380 I don't want anything to change.

01:01:47.300 I get it.

01:01:47.760 I don't even judge it.

01:01:49.440 But the rest of the country is withering and dying.

01:01:52.000 And that's measurable in life expectancy, for example.

01:01:56.780 There's no way to argue that this is helping normal people.

01:02:01.040 And they're not staying the same.

01:02:01.940 They're going down by every measure.

01:02:04.320 They're down to their personal health.

01:02:06.640 Why are the people who run the country are ruling class?

01:02:10.040 It's not enough that they profit.

01:02:11.600 It does feel like they're trying to hurt the people they rule.

01:02:15.900 That's the, that's, I mean, I, I've reached that conclusion.

01:02:18.400 What is that?

01:02:19.780 So I'm most angry at our politicians.

01:02:22.160 And I'm going to give you an analogy about that in a second.

01:02:25.600 So like, so Israel, pharma, they're going to logically try to rob us.

01:02:31.140 Of course, I get it.

01:02:32.140 Right.

01:02:32.500 I get it.

01:02:32.840 The king takes most for himself, but he also like wants to make his people like not die earlier.

01:02:37.760 But they do want us to die earlier.

01:02:39.620 What is that?

01:02:40.280 But, but it's, yeah, so it's largely our representative's fault.

01:02:44.820 So I talked about Biden.

01:02:46.080 Kamala took 5 million from AIPAC.

01:02:47.640 Talk about that.

01:02:49.280 Let's talk about Trump.

01:02:50.460 So Trump in the first election in 2016 takes 100 million from Sheldon Adelson.

01:02:55.380 Okay.

01:02:56.000 So does Sheldon get something in return?

01:02:58.020 Of course he does.

01:02:59.120 Right.

01:02:59.480 So he got a great number of things, a corruption charge and went, largely went away with a small fine.

01:03:05.960 Uh, the state tax was dropped right in the nick of time before he passed away, saved them billions of dollars.

01:03:11.560 You know where the Adelson's make most of their money?

01:03:14.580 Gambling.

01:03:15.340 In China.

01:03:16.180 Yep.

01:03:16.660 Okay.

01:03:17.260 In Macau.

01:03:18.040 So they're mainly a Chinese company and, uh, and they had to bring their money back from China to America.

01:03:25.060 So they got a tax holiday.

01:03:26.940 We don't get tax holidays, but they get tax holidays.

01:03:29.680 And so their, the repatriation tax was brought down to about 8%.

01:03:33.600 So instead of paying 35%, they paid 8%, which saved them billions of dollars.

01:03:38.880 So then they take that money from China, bring it back to America.

01:03:41.220 They give a hundred to, to Trump.

01:03:43.060 He runs again.

01:03:43.540 They give another a hundred.

01:03:44.900 Uh, they, he runs again.

01:03:46.680 They, at this time it's Miriam Adelson.

01:03:48.540 Sheldon's passed away.

01:03:49.520 His wife, Miriam gives 137 to Trump.

01:03:52.480 So now collectively they've given $337 million to Donald Trump's reelection campus.

01:03:59.300 So now one of the things they wanted was taxes and other interests and defeat the unions and their casinos and all the things, their, their wishlist.

01:04:07.080 But the main thing they wanted was for Israel.

01:04:09.040 And Trump says it all the time.

01:04:10.220 He doesn't hide it at all.

01:04:11.040 He says, he said it in the Knesset.

01:04:12.980 Yeah.

01:04:13.460 He said, look, you guys give me money and you said, and Sheldon wanted me to, to move our embassy from, you know, Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

01:04:20.500 So I moved it for him.

01:04:21.820 Like, you're not supposed to say that.

01:04:23.700 Okay.

01:04:24.280 That's what I love about Trump.

01:04:25.480 I love it when he just says it.

01:04:27.880 Yeah.

01:04:28.160 So he's like, and then, so they want to diss and, and I gave him the goal on Heights.

01:04:31.440 I said, go ahead, take it.

01:04:32.500 Right.

01:04:33.100 And whatever Israel asked.

01:04:34.180 And she said, Sheldon came in here in my first term more than any other person.

01:04:39.040 And he said, to be fair, he gave the most.

01:04:40.720 Right.

01:04:41.440 So if you give that much money, you get access and you get American policy.

01:04:46.620 So now Miriam's up there going, maybe you should run for a third term and I'll give him $250 million.

01:04:51.460 She said that on air next to Trump.

01:04:53.400 So that is them rubbing it in our face saying.

01:04:58.220 So that's the part I don't understand.

01:04:59.900 Like every country has a ruling class that derives the most benefit from whatever system

01:05:03.840 is they're running.

01:05:05.440 But it's the pretty undisguised hatred for Americans.

01:05:10.980 Like why the humiliation rituals?

01:05:12.880 Why say that in public?

01:05:14.240 Why basically give the entire country the finger?

01:05:17.060 You have no control.

01:05:18.300 If you step out of line, we'll send the police to your door.

01:05:20.580 Like you don't need to behave that way.

01:05:22.800 Yeah.

01:05:22.960 This is relatively new.

01:05:24.000 There's hatred in there.

01:05:25.540 That's how you behave toward people you really want to hurt.

01:05:28.080 But before, they were more subtle about it.

01:05:32.520 Yeah.

01:05:32.880 That's why I never said anything.

01:05:34.100 I wasn't fully aware of it.

01:05:35.420 But also, it's like it's working.

01:05:36.820 I don't want to get involved in this.

01:05:38.800 But all of a sudden, it's like you're not allowed to live in the country that you were born in

01:05:45.240 because you disagree with a foreign country.

01:05:47.600 It's like you don't need.

01:05:48.320 Why are you talking to me like that?

01:05:49.480 Who do you think you are?

01:05:50.360 What are you doing?

01:05:52.560 So since they're starting to lose control.

01:05:54.500 Now, back to the American people.

01:05:56.160 Overall, this was about six months ago.

01:05:59.680 The numbers are probably starker now.

01:06:01.620 But 60% of Americans said, we don't want to support what Israel is doing with financing anymore.

01:06:08.840 60%?

01:06:09.360 60% for Gaza.

01:06:10.760 Okay.

01:06:11.340 They said, we are not backing what Israel is doing.

01:06:14.660 And only 32% said yes.

01:06:16.540 So two to one.

01:06:17.400 Very, very, very clear.

01:06:18.540 The American people, two to one, don't give Israel any more money to kill more people in Gaza.

01:06:22.500 Don't do it.

01:06:23.120 And all of our politicians, Democrats and Republicans are like, no, we're going to give them more money.

01:06:27.960 We don't care.

01:06:28.800 Shut up, American people.

01:06:30.620 So why are they switching to this new harsher tactic?

01:06:34.560 Because I think they're going for intimidation.

01:06:36.680 They've already lost the people.

01:06:38.080 They've lost the propaganda wars.

01:06:40.020 So they're just going for bullying.

01:06:41.500 Well, they don't intimidate me.

01:06:42.840 And I'm totally happy to pay any price not to go along with this.

01:06:46.620 Not because I hate Jews.

01:06:48.180 I certainly don't hate Jews.

01:06:49.660 But because I love my country.

01:06:50.880 And we have the right to act in our own interest and to say what we truly believe.

01:06:55.400 And I will never bow to any other system voluntarily.

01:06:59.780 And I feel like a lot of Americans, clearly you feel that way.

01:07:02.440 A hundred percent.

01:07:03.700 America was not made for bowing.

01:07:06.020 Okay.

01:07:06.460 So.

01:07:07.640 That's the things that hurt my family.

01:07:09.120 I'm happy to bow before God.

01:07:10.760 I'm not too arrogant to bow, but I'm not going to bow to something that hurts my children.

01:07:14.740 Like, I'm not going to do that.

01:07:16.780 No, they're not going to take our freedom away.

01:07:19.000 So back to your point about the humiliation rituals.

01:07:23.200 Then.

01:07:24.140 Why do that?

01:07:25.460 It gets way worse.

01:07:26.560 In case you don't know this for the folks at home.

01:07:29.020 The Adelsons then lobbied Trump to get Jonathan Pollard back to Israel.

01:07:35.180 Oh, okay.

01:07:36.060 So Jonathan Pollard is a traitor.

01:07:37.880 I mean, as big a traitor as we have ever had in this country.

01:07:41.360 And a true hater of America says it out loud all the time.

01:07:44.100 Yeah.

01:07:44.500 And he goes further.

01:07:45.900 He endangers Jewish people by saying, if you're a Jew in America, you should work for

01:07:50.260 Israel like I did and betray America.

01:07:52.380 He says that.

01:07:53.300 Okay.

01:07:53.900 So now this is as despicable anti-American character as you will find on planet earth.

01:07:59.200 So not only do they lobby to get him back to Israel.

01:08:01.980 First of all, he should never have been let out of jail.

01:08:03.840 Ever.

01:08:04.140 Ever, ever, ever.

01:08:05.300 What did the Israelis do with the Navy secrets that he gave them?

01:08:08.680 Do you know?

01:08:10.100 They gave them to the Soviet Union.

01:08:13.580 They gave them to the Soviet Union in exchange for refusenics.

01:08:16.880 I remember this.

01:08:17.600 I know people were involved in it.

01:08:19.300 And yeah, our top ally gave our national security secrets.

01:08:25.040 This is the middle of the Cold War.

01:08:26.160 It's not a joke.

01:08:26.920 These countries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other.

01:08:28.840 And Israel gave those secrets to the Soviets.

01:08:33.200 So that's just a fact.

01:08:36.660 Oh, you're lying.

01:08:37.420 I'm not lying.

01:08:38.740 Yeah.

01:08:38.960 And in this case, yeah, in this case, not only, so they've been lobbying Democrats and Republicans

01:08:46.260 to get Jonathan Pollard out of jail because he delivered for Israel.

01:08:49.280 And so they got Obama to pardon him and not pardon him, but like say, okay, he can get out

01:08:55.040 of jail.

01:08:55.500 Then they got Trump to say he can leave the country.

01:08:58.500 Okay.

01:08:58.660 So this is all already disastrous, but just to rub it in a little bit more, he was flown

01:09:03.620 back to Israel on a private jet owned by Sheldon Adelson.

01:09:09.500 That's the Adelson saying, F you, we work for Israel, not for America.

01:09:15.320 We're going to take the worst trader you've ever had and celebrate him.

01:09:19.900 We're going to give him a hero's welcome.

01:09:22.920 I don't understand that.

01:09:24.400 That is not in my personal range of like emotions.

01:09:27.620 That's like, you won.

01:09:29.180 Got it.

01:09:29.660 Okay, great.

01:09:30.460 You know, you're getting what you want.

01:09:31.320 Okay.

01:09:32.340 But that's like, if you're playing tennis with someone and you crush them in tennis, rather

01:09:36.020 than going up and shaking hands, you know, good, good game.

01:09:37.860 That's what I was forced to do as a child.

01:09:40.240 You leap across that and like beat him to death with a racket.

01:09:43.260 I don't, I like, what is that impulse?

01:09:45.860 I think it's the scariest thing I've ever seen.

01:09:48.400 They're going for full intimidation, right?

01:09:51.120 But why?

01:09:52.660 Because they, they lost the American people.

01:09:55.320 We're, we're gone.

01:09:56.000 And so, I mean, look, Tucker, you're arguably the, the biggest show in, in the right wing,

01:10:01.920 right?

01:10:02.480 And you certainly were on Fox and you have the numbers to back it up now, right?

01:10:06.920 We're arguably the biggest show on the left.

01:10:09.160 This is the, you know, you could argue that it's the heads of the families getting together

01:10:13.320 on behalf of the American people saying the right and the left.

01:10:16.680 And then, by the way, we can bring in any independents.

01:10:18.500 You could bring in Tim Dillon, anyone else, and they will say the same thing.

01:10:22.420 Enough, enough.

01:10:23.680 We have no hatred in our hearts, okay?

01:10:25.960 I don't.

01:10:26.500 But enough.

01:10:27.560 So, not another dollar.

01:10:29.020 And we're done with you guys.

01:10:30.320 And hey, good luck.

01:10:31.340 Good luck with Iran, right?

01:10:32.640 But I don't have to spend a trillion dollars fighting your war for you in Iran.

01:10:35.660 No, I agree.

01:10:35.960 I don't.

01:10:36.900 And what if, look, and you know what they're doing, guys.

01:10:39.800 Pull back.

01:10:40.300 Like, this is so unhealthy, this relationship.

01:10:42.920 Pull back.

01:10:44.340 We both regain our sovereignty.

01:10:45.940 Israel doesn't have sovereignty exactly either.

01:10:47.860 I mean, I don't know, you could debate what sovereignty means, but they're totally dependent

01:10:50.420 on the United States.

01:10:51.040 That's not good.

01:10:52.020 How's that good for Israel?

01:10:53.700 And so, like, let's just become normal countries again and then be friends.

01:10:57.380 Yeah.

01:10:57.600 That seems like a good outcome to me.

01:10:59.460 Yeah.

01:10:59.860 By the way, it's a terrific outcome for Israel, right?

01:11:01.980 So, now when you total it all together, probably around $350 billion that they've taken from us,

01:11:06.760 and $8 trillion in wars we did for them, take the win and go.

01:11:11.480 Like, it's time to take the winnings off the table.

01:11:13.260 I feel that.

01:11:13.640 So, if you say, no, I want another $300 billion, I want another $100 billion, I want you to pay

01:11:19.340 for another war, and I'm going to take more of it.

01:11:21.520 And you can't have the First Amendment anymore because you're not allowed to criticize me.

01:11:25.180 Yeah.

01:11:25.720 Okay.

01:11:26.240 That's when I say, I'm not participating in this.

01:11:29.540 Totally happy to go to jail for it.

01:11:31.080 I don't care.

01:11:31.800 I'm never going to participate in any effort by a foreign power or our own government to limit

01:11:37.080 my birthright.

01:11:38.520 So, Tucker, let's talk about that because there's so many things that Israel does that

01:11:42.300 I'm not sure people are aware of.

01:11:43.860 And why are they not aware of it?

01:11:45.180 Because establishment media not only doesn't report on it, but actively covers it up, right?

01:11:50.260 And if you dare report on it, they'll call you names and try to ruin your career.

01:11:54.080 Okay.

01:11:54.420 So, what have they done?

01:11:55.900 First of all, the First Amendment is sacrosanct.

01:11:58.360 So, no, there is no exception to the First Amendment for Israel.

01:12:02.400 And, by the way, if you say there should be, you're trying to destroy our Constitution,

01:12:06.260 okay?

01:12:06.560 So, no, we're not going to let you destroy our Constitution.

01:12:09.720 So, no, nobody should be arrested on a college campus for writing an op-ed against Israel,

01:12:16.100 an editorial saying that they should be sanctioned.

01:12:19.260 That's all.

01:12:20.100 That's what that Turkish PhD student wrote.

01:12:22.240 And they're like, that's it, arrest her.

01:12:23.860 What do you mean arrest her for her speech?

01:12:26.360 What does that mean?

01:12:27.680 And now, as I said, they're targeting American workers, trying to get them fired.

01:12:31.500 The lady who put both of us on a list for, oh, anti-Semite of the year or whatever, she

01:12:36.640 went and gave a speech about, and by the way, everyone could look up every fact I'm saying.

01:12:40.600 They can go find the videos for themselves, and they should, and they should spread it

01:12:43.920 all over the internet.

01:12:44.520 And she's on there going, we're going to find any American that opposes us, and we're going

01:12:50.120 to try to ruin their lives.

01:12:51.320 She said it.

01:12:52.320 She's like, we're going to make sure they never get a job, they never get a wife, a

01:12:56.600 husband, we're going to go after their families.

01:12:58.900 I'm like, you're saying it out loud.

01:13:02.840 You're saying it out loud, right?

01:13:04.320 You don't believe in blood guilt in this country, period.

01:13:07.620 I mean, that's why your family was able to move from Turkey, and you wound up close friends

01:13:12.740 with an Armenian, because you're not responsible for what your ancestors did.

01:13:16.120 That is a core American value.

01:13:18.560 Exactly.

01:13:19.360 So then there's 31 states, I believe.

01:13:22.360 Again, look it up.

01:13:23.120 Maybe it's 30, maybe it's 29.

01:13:24.720 God bless.

01:13:25.140 But about that area that have passed laws saying you're not allowed to boycott or divest

01:13:30.740 or sanction Israel, and if you're an American company that does that, we're going to take

01:13:35.900 away your contracts from the state governments.

01:13:38.280 You will be punished severely financially, your family, your business, et cetera, if you dare

01:13:43.760 to disagree with Israel.

01:13:45.620 What the fuck kind of law is that?

01:13:48.300 And by the way, that's a lot of Democratic governors and a lot of Republican governors.

01:13:51.540 If your governor is saying you must serve Israel, and if you dare to defy Israel, I'm going to

01:13:58.540 take away your living, and I'm going to take away American government contracts from you,

01:14:03.780 you should be livid about that.

01:14:05.540 Is there any law in the United States that you've heard of that says if you criticize the

01:14:09.320 U.S. government, our constitution, desecrate or flag?

01:14:12.500 I don't think there's any penalty ever for attacking the United States, and I'm not saying

01:14:16.720 there should be, of course, but then how can there be penalties for disagreeing with a

01:14:21.640 foreign country?

01:14:22.880 You can say whatever you want about America, whatever you want, and people do, and I'm

01:14:26.440 glad you can't, but the second you're critical of Benjamin Netanyahu, you get punished by

01:14:32.980 the U.S. government?

01:14:35.060 That's insane.

01:14:36.360 But that's the state of play.

01:14:37.360 I don't think it's an exaggeration, is it?

01:14:39.080 Yeah, no, it's not.

01:14:40.420 Again, Mad Libbit, put in any other country.

01:14:43.320 But even your own country, it's totally fine.

01:14:45.380 Yeah, you can criticize America all day long.

01:14:47.200 Oh my gosh, yes.

01:14:47.940 You can call for sanctions of America, you can call for boycotting America, you can

01:14:51.780 go for, you want to go after the Portuguese, okay?

01:14:56.120 Imagine if they said, you're allowed to criticize every country on earth, including your own,

01:15:00.220 except Portugal.

01:15:02.360 Why?

01:15:03.400 Why except Portugal, right?

01:15:05.280 But if you say, why except Israel, anti-Semite.

01:15:08.840 Yeah.

01:15:09.160 And why do they say anti-Semite?

01:15:10.600 But it's to eliminate every voice of opposition to Israel in American conversation.

01:15:16.920 Are you ready for the consequences of this, though?

01:15:20.060 I mean, you're a business owner, you're a father.

01:15:22.060 Yeah.

01:15:22.920 I'm not being melodramatic.

01:15:24.780 I never talk about this stuff.

01:15:26.160 I'm not going to now, but I'm just, you know, let's be real.

01:15:29.000 Well, like the reason people don't say obvious non-hateful things like you shouldn't be prevented

01:15:34.460 from criticizing a foreign country in your own country, the reason they don't even say

01:15:38.140 that is because they know what the consequence, the real consequence, not a joke consequences.

01:15:43.060 These are not people who are kidding.

01:15:45.040 Yeah.

01:15:45.280 Are you comfortable with that?

01:15:47.600 Like, why did you decide to do this?

01:15:48.960 You don't need to do this.

01:15:49.820 Yeah.

01:15:50.020 So, we've already dealt with a lot of consequences, right?

01:15:53.880 And so, first of all, you know, they tell folks, don't do business with the Young Turks,

01:16:02.880 you know, or they're...

01:16:03.920 You know that?

01:16:04.780 Yeah.

01:16:05.040 I definitely know that.

01:16:06.040 I know that for a fact.

01:16:07.100 Yeah.

01:16:07.720 And our network is called TYT.

01:16:09.680 You know, we've got a 24-hour channel in all these places, everywhere but cable.

01:16:14.440 And they say, don't do sales, don't do investments, don't do anything because they're anti-Semites.

01:16:22.300 Okay?

01:16:22.900 So, you know, take away their money and make sure that they don't survive.

01:16:29.620 And then they do propaganda to the audience.

01:16:32.560 That's less effective.

01:16:33.840 But for a while, it was effective.

01:16:36.280 You know, oh, they're hateful people.

01:16:37.860 They say they're on the left, but they, you know, they're bigots and they're this and they're that.

01:16:42.500 And then every kind of attack against me.

01:16:46.920 But the establishment media always hated me.

01:16:50.960 Because I'm populist left and they despise populism.

01:16:54.440 So...

01:16:54.920 They certainly do.

01:16:55.660 Yeah.

01:16:55.980 Why do they despise populism, do you think?

01:16:57.980 Because it's against the status quo.

01:16:59.660 It's for change.

01:17:00.860 Yeah.

01:17:01.140 And if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change.

01:17:04.660 They don't want to rock the boat because it's their boat.

01:17:07.080 That's why they murdered Huey Long.

01:17:08.180 So, you know, populism has a pretty long and very violent history in the United States reaction to it.

01:17:15.480 Yeah.

01:17:15.720 You just get killed.

01:17:16.700 So, do we get death threats all the time, right?

01:17:20.340 Do we get threats of different sorts all the time?

01:17:23.600 And if you, like, if let's say that the Iranian government was threatening to kill me or their supporters were threatening to kill me or my family,

01:17:31.980 and they were doing all these attacks against our business, people would be, I think, outraged, right?

01:17:37.440 And Jake Tapper...

01:17:37.760 I would be.

01:17:38.440 And Jake Tapper would love to talk about it.

01:17:39.860 They're Iranians interfering with an American company and threatening Americans.

01:17:44.680 We should do something about Iran, right?

01:17:47.040 Israel does it.

01:17:47.900 Shut up, you anti-Semite.

01:17:49.860 Jake Tapper hasn't defended you?

01:17:53.740 Jake Tapper's going to write a book one day.

01:17:56.000 It turns out we were the problem.

01:17:57.620 No one could have seen it coming.

01:17:59.180 No, we see it now, Jake.

01:18:01.020 You're the problem.

01:18:02.180 Okay?

01:18:02.920 And so, this whole defense of Israel, over-the-top defense of Israel, is absurd.

01:18:07.680 It's insane.

01:18:08.560 While pretending to be objective.

01:18:10.720 And they actively covering up the news.

01:18:13.000 Here, let's do more.

01:18:13.940 But why get involved?

01:18:16.060 Because I can't help it.

01:18:17.900 I can't help but be free.

01:18:20.980 And that's why I love this country.

01:18:22.840 That's why it's kind of made for me.

01:18:25.580 Uniquely wonderful country for me and my personality.

01:18:29.680 And I can't bow.

01:18:30.680 I just can't do it.

01:18:31.660 I was on an airplane probably 20, 25 years ago with James Carville, who was my co-host

01:18:37.140 at CNN and, you know, a great guy in some ways, a great guy, but very smart.

01:18:42.600 And I said something about Israel, some humiliation.

01:18:45.560 They were shooting into the Church of the Nativity, murdering a bell ringer.

01:18:48.820 So I was like, oh, I don't want to fight about Israel.

01:18:51.140 I never have wanted to.

01:18:52.120 But I said, that is just too much.

01:18:53.760 I mean, whatever it was at the moment.

01:18:55.180 And he goes, I'll never forget this.

01:18:58.020 He goes, you want your kids to get into college?

01:19:01.060 I was like, I guess.

01:19:03.320 I had little kids, a lot of them.

01:19:05.020 And he goes, then you'll shut up.

01:19:07.200 I was like, you think that would affect my kids' ability to get into college?

01:19:11.240 I'd never even thought of that before.

01:19:13.780 Of course.

01:19:15.240 Then you'll shut up.

01:19:16.060 Quote, that's a verbatim quote.

01:19:17.900 You want your kids to get into college, and you'll shut up.

01:19:19.780 And to my shame, I guess, I did kind of shut up for like 20 years.

01:19:23.880 I was like, I don't want to deal with this at all.

01:19:25.380 I've got all kinds of things I'm interested in.

01:19:26.940 I'm not that interested in Israel.

01:19:28.180 I love Jerusalem, but like, I don't want to get involved.

01:19:31.060 So I'm not trying to be melodramatic, but that's real.

01:19:35.120 And did you ever have a moment where you're like, you know, maybe I don't.

01:19:40.600 Maybe I just ignore it.

01:19:41.500 Let it slide.

01:19:42.780 Yeah.

01:19:43.580 No.

01:19:46.520 And so, Tucker, it happened to me.

01:19:49.000 So there's a school, a private school in LA.

01:19:52.400 It actually happened to Anna too in two different ways.

01:19:55.080 So, and we applied for my son to get into that private school.

01:20:00.360 And one of my nephews happens to work as a volunteer in that school.

01:20:04.740 And someone in admission told him his, that my son's application was going to be hurt because of his dad's positions on Israel.

01:20:16.900 Actually?

01:20:17.300 They actually said that out loud.

01:20:19.560 That's why the Israelis have been happy to murder tens of thousands of children in Gaza because they believe in blood guilt.

01:20:24.720 That's just, that's just a, that's the truth.

01:20:26.220 They say it out loud.

01:20:27.100 I'm like, we believe in blood guilt.

01:20:28.420 Like the children are responsible for the sins of their parents.

01:20:31.000 So we're going to kill them or not let them into the school or, and we face this a lot in my family.

01:20:35.460 So that's a ramification for us personally.

01:20:39.640 And as you know, Anna's husband is a coach at another private school and they try to get him fired.

01:20:47.080 And they demanded like some sort of Maoist apology where he denounces his own wife and calls her an anti-Semite publicly.

01:20:54.360 And he's like, no, I'm not going to do it.

01:20:55.860 His own wife.

01:20:56.580 Yeah.

01:20:57.260 They're like, you must denounce your own wife.

01:20:59.660 Otherwise we don't feel safe.

01:21:01.840 Okay.

01:21:02.460 What is that?

01:21:03.320 What is that?

01:21:03.900 And so we don't feel safe.

01:21:05.900 You're, you're threatening to wreck my family, but you're the one who doesn't feel safe.

01:21:08.860 Because it's always projection.

01:21:10.480 They're always the victims.

01:21:11.780 So like, why do I say Jake Tapper?

01:21:13.560 Like for the Jake is just representative of the mainstream media overall.

01:21:17.940 Israel keeps taking more and more land.

01:21:19.900 You could see it on a map.

01:21:21.120 They just took 53% of Gaza and Jake and the rest go self-defense.

01:21:26.820 No, but wait a minute, brother.

01:21:27.880 I can see the map.

01:21:29.220 Israel is growing.

01:21:30.560 They say they want greater Israel.

01:21:32.360 They're doing greater Israel.

01:21:34.580 They're the ones that killed the Palestinians and then took their land.

01:21:37.700 And then Jake goes, no, no, don't believe your lying eyes.

01:21:41.900 Don't believe your lying ears.

01:21:43.820 Israel is the victim.

01:21:45.160 They're always the victim.

01:21:46.420 They're going to fire you.

01:21:47.400 Who does Jake work for?

01:21:48.680 Like, why would you, that's absurd.

01:21:50.080 Why would you say something like that?

01:21:52.000 Who, like, where, what is your mission?

01:21:54.020 Okay.

01:21:54.660 And I challenge, Jake, I challenge all of cable news anchors.

01:21:59.700 So why don't you talk about, for example, one of hundreds of things that we've mentioned here, but another one is nine Americans killed in Israel over the last three years.

01:22:09.480 Nine Americans killed not accidentally, but by Israeli settlers or the IDF.

01:22:14.800 Murder.

01:22:15.120 Actually?

01:22:15.760 Actually.

01:22:16.820 You know how much.

01:22:17.360 I didn't know that.

01:22:18.160 Yeah.

01:22:18.440 So sorry.

01:22:19.440 Do you know how many consequences there's been?

01:22:21.460 Zero.

01:22:22.600 Our government does not ask for them to be arrested.

01:22:25.940 What do you mean?

01:22:26.760 An American citizen is killed?

01:22:28.580 What about Mike Huckabee?

01:22:29.480 He's the American ambassador.

01:22:31.820 Who just met with Jonathan Pollard, the traitor in the U.S. Embassy without telling the CIA or Donald Trump.

01:22:38.500 Mike Huckabee is not our ambassador.

01:22:40.040 He's their ambassador.

01:22:40.900 I know.

01:22:41.480 Okay.

01:22:41.800 It's sad to see a man so degraded.

01:22:44.480 Yeah.

01:22:44.820 So where's our justice for the nine Americans killed?

01:22:48.360 Are we going to even ask for justice?

01:22:50.540 Or is Israel literally above the law?

01:22:54.680 They can kill Americans and totally get away with it.

01:22:59.000 Our government won't even ask for redress, right?

01:23:01.440 Well, I think we know that's true already.

01:23:03.140 But it's a fact.

01:23:04.300 It's not disputable.

01:23:06.060 And then you got Tom Alexandrovich.

01:23:07.580 So he's the guy who was an Israeli cybersecurity official, goes to Vegas, and looks to rape an American girl, right?

01:23:15.720 So he's like, oh, this is a great opportunity for basically pedophile tourism.

01:23:20.580 I'll go to America.

01:23:21.860 And I know as an Israeli, I won't be held accountable.

01:23:25.780 So he gets caught in a sting operation.

01:23:27.800 Got him.

01:23:28.420 Okay, good.

01:23:29.320 Gets caught with eight other Americans who were also involved in that operation.

01:23:33.300 The eight Americans are in jail right now in Nevada.

01:23:36.760 Alexandrovich back to Israel.

01:23:38.220 Free ride.

01:23:38.660 How?

01:23:40.440 But wait, you can't say that the Americans who did something terrible should be in prison.

01:23:45.300 Great, wonderful, totally agree.

01:23:46.920 But the Israeli is allowed to do it.

01:23:49.460 And he can rape any American girl he wants here.

01:23:51.740 And he gets a free ride back to Israel.

01:23:53.640 No, no.

01:23:54.740 So right now, he's technically under arrest.

01:23:57.740 But our government isn't doing anything to try to get him back.

01:24:00.440 No, we want him extradited.

01:24:02.180 But what about Mike Huckabee?

01:24:03.460 Is he going, is he brokering an extradition?

01:24:05.880 Because he tried to rape an American girl, you say.

01:24:09.400 That's a fact.

01:24:10.580 No, Mike Huckabee is not doing anything.

01:24:13.720 So the Americans killed, no consequences.

01:24:16.540 Americans.

01:24:17.620 Did Mike Huckabee complain about the nine Americans?

01:24:19.620 You said nine Americans have been killed?

01:24:21.280 Yes.

01:24:22.180 Did Huckabee say anything about it?

01:24:23.860 Not to my knowledge.

01:24:24.840 If he said anything, it's been incredibly quiet.

01:24:27.700 Okay.

01:24:28.100 And hey, Mike Huckabee, if you want to prove me wrong, get out there and fight for it.

01:24:31.380 Say, God damn it, they killed nine Americans in a fight like hell.

01:24:34.700 Forget tomorrow.

01:24:35.340 Forget yesterday.

01:24:36.180 Don't focus on tomorrow.

01:24:36.980 Go get him, Ambassador Huckabee.

01:24:39.520 Let's see what you got.

01:24:40.780 The demand that they extradite Alexandrovich back to Nevada, where he faces consequences like the other people who were caught.

01:24:47.640 Where are you?

01:24:48.620 Where are you?

01:24:49.760 I mean, this happens over and over again since Israel has been formed.

01:24:54.700 Robert Maxwell stole our nuclear secrets.

01:24:57.120 The worst possible thing you could do.

01:24:59.640 We didn't even arrest him.

01:25:00.740 And when I looked into why didn't we arrest Robert Maxwell, because it would have caused an international incident that embarrassed Israel.

01:25:11.500 Well, they should be embarrassed.

01:25:12.680 They stole our nuclear secrets when they were pretending to be our allies.

01:25:15.620 They should be deeply, deeply embarrassed.

01:25:18.360 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:25:19.940 Not only was Robert Maxwell not arrested, he was allowed to buy textbooks in America for that go into our kids' schools.

01:25:30.180 We're letting a traitor like that, a guy, he wasn't American, but he was a British citizen.

01:25:35.240 He was a, you know, and he lived here, he lived there.

01:25:38.740 And we're letting him buy the textbooks that go into our kids' schools after, after he stole our nuclear secrets and eventually got a state funeral.

01:25:48.620 Again, heroes welcome in Israel.

01:25:50.580 Congratulations.

01:25:51.620 Are we ever going to stand up for this country?

01:25:54.060 So how about the spies we caught after 9-11?

01:25:56.720 Okay, put aside whether they knew, didn't know what their activity was, but we rounded up dozens and dozens of Israeli spies.

01:26:05.100 Okay, great, great job, FBI, CIA, whoever did it.

01:26:07.740 Fantastic, really proud of you.

01:26:09.500 And then we let them go back to Israel.

01:26:11.740 Is that a thing we do if we catch a Russian spy or an Iranian spy or a Dutch spy?

01:26:17.580 Do we go, oh, you're free to go?

01:26:19.900 Aren't we supposed to arrest them and keep them in prison?

01:26:22.700 But when it comes to Israel, there are no laws, there are no rules.

01:26:25.840 They're allowed to do anything you want.

01:26:28.160 And if you object, Jake Tapper comes out and calls you an anti-Semite.

01:26:30.840 So a year ago this week, the new president, right after the inauguration, issued an executive order declaring that all files related to the Kennedy assassination, MLK, and Bobby Kennedy's assassination had to be released.

01:26:43.460 And they haven't all been, unfortunately.

01:26:45.140 But in tranches of documents that have been released in the last 12 months, we've seen again and again references to Israel have been, and there are a lot of references to Israel in the files around the Kennedy assassination, interestingly, have all been redacted.

01:27:00.140 All been redacted for 62 years, 63 years.

01:27:04.420 It's like, what?

01:27:06.100 I don't understand.

01:27:07.460 Like, why would that be?

01:27:08.600 Why are there two monuments to Jim Angleton in Israel?

01:27:11.800 You know, the number two at CIA.

01:27:14.540 I think it's all very, very odd.

01:27:16.260 And you hear people complain about conspiracy theories, and I'm definitely against conspiratorial thinking because it drives you crazy.

01:27:22.800 On the other hand, in the absence of transparency, that stuff grows like algae.

01:27:26.920 I mean, what do you think?

01:27:27.820 If you don't tell people the truth, like, what are they supposed to think?

01:27:30.400 They're going to come up with all kinds of theories.

01:27:32.540 Why can't, why would you redact references to Israel in the Kennedy files for six decades?

01:27:38.680 Like, what is that?

01:27:41.200 That's almost an admission.

01:27:42.960 So, like, I didn't know.

01:27:44.440 It's very odd, I'll say that.

01:27:46.900 So, I didn't know that until recently.

01:27:48.620 And, again, establishment media never talks about these things.

01:27:51.980 And, again, it's not just about Israel.

01:27:53.400 So, for example, on 9-11, we're redacting references to the Saudis.

01:27:56.540 Oh, I know.

01:27:57.100 Why?

01:27:58.140 Why?

01:27:59.160 So, they say, well, they're our allies.

01:28:01.000 Well, if they're our allies, then maybe they shouldn't have had a hand in 9-11, right?

01:28:06.200 They didn't have a hand in 9-11.

01:28:07.540 Okay, great.

01:28:08.040 Then show me the redacted part.

01:28:09.080 No, I won't show you the redacted part.

01:28:11.040 Okay, now this is weird.

01:28:12.560 Now, this is our government working for other governments.

01:28:14.680 And what happened after 9-11?

01:28:16.200 We rounded up all the Bin Ladins.

01:28:18.200 Yes, there were Bin Ladins in America.

01:28:19.960 And we rounded up all the Israeli spies.

01:28:21.800 And, yes, there was tons and tons of Israeli spies in America.

01:28:24.860 Following the 19 hijackers around the country.

01:28:27.300 Yeah.

01:28:27.720 Yeah.

01:28:27.900 And what did we do?

01:28:29.280 We rounded them up.

01:28:29.900 Oh, great.

01:28:30.240 We got them.

01:28:31.180 And we released them back to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

01:28:33.720 Yeah.

01:28:33.940 No, that's our government.

01:28:34.920 And then we invade Iraq.

01:28:36.040 Yeah.

01:28:36.540 It had nothing to do with that.

01:28:38.180 And increased domestic police powers to the point where the country is not recognizable from what it was on September 10th, 2001.

01:28:45.320 That's our government working for other governments.

01:28:47.880 Oh, I'm aware.

01:28:48.620 And I can't stand it.

01:28:49.740 So, which leads us to Epstein.

01:28:51.560 Okay.

01:28:52.000 So, here's another one.

01:28:53.900 DropSite News has proven definitively that, in my opinion, and we'll talk about the evidence, that Epstein worked for an intelligence agency.

01:29:01.500 And, almost certainly, Mossad.

01:29:03.860 Yeah.

01:29:04.040 Okay.

01:29:04.520 And, almost certainly, the CIA knew it.

01:29:07.060 Of course.

01:29:07.660 Okay.

01:29:08.340 So, now, what's the evidence?

01:29:09.680 It's overwhelming.

01:29:10.540 First of all, in all the emails, he is looking to help one country.

01:29:15.500 No, it's not Finland.

01:29:16.800 And, no, it's not America.

01:29:18.040 It's Israel.

01:29:18.980 So, how do we get cyber weapons to Israel?

01:29:21.360 How do we get America to bomb Syria?

01:29:23.400 How do we get America to bomb Iran?

01:29:25.440 Okay.

01:29:25.680 Anyway, hey, Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel, I can set up a meeting with you with Putin.

01:29:32.780 Wait, Epstein is so powerful, he can set up meetings that the former Prime Minister of Israel can.

01:29:38.800 He can call Putin any time and get someone a meeting.

01:29:42.860 Then, we find out that he was in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair.

01:29:46.400 He was the one switching the planes out.

01:29:49.700 How many civilians were involved in the Iran-Contra affair?

01:29:52.780 Easy answer.

01:29:53.760 Zero.

01:29:54.120 There are no civilians involved in the Iran-Contra.

01:29:57.020 Everyone was intelligence.

01:29:58.560 Okay.

01:29:59.140 So, this guy switching out planes in the middle of Iran-Contra is obviously intelligence.

01:30:03.560 And, that's Jeffrey Epstein.

01:30:04.860 Okay.

01:30:05.360 So, Jeffrey Epstein was much more powerful than we realized.

01:30:09.100 He could set up a meeting with almost any war leader.

01:30:11.260 He could get almost anyone into the White House.

01:30:12.900 Again, Ehud Barak has trouble getting into the White House.

01:30:16.060 Epstein makes a call.

01:30:16.980 Boom, he's in the White House.

01:30:18.480 Israeli spy stays over at Epstein's house.

01:30:22.040 There's just no question about it.

01:30:23.880 He is definitely intelligence.

01:30:25.900 And, in every turn, he's looking to help one country, and it's Israel.

01:30:30.360 American media says, shut up.

01:30:32.700 No.

01:30:33.540 Jeffrey Epstein.

01:30:35.080 New York Times has a story about how he's like a Forrest Gump.

01:30:37.740 He just tripped over the money.

01:30:39.560 And, oh, God.

01:30:40.240 Golly gee.

01:30:40.740 He just happened to be a savvy investor.

01:30:43.540 And, nothing to see here.

01:30:45.920 Now, DropSite News already showed it.

01:30:48.180 Why wouldn't you try to build on that?

01:30:50.220 Why wouldn't you cover that?

01:30:51.840 Is that not an interesting story?

01:30:53.960 I think it qualifies.

01:30:55.960 I don't understand.

01:30:57.020 I'm not pretending to understand it.

01:30:58.140 But, it's certainly interesting.

01:30:59.520 It's certainly interesting.

01:31:00.820 Yeah.

01:31:01.300 I mean, and by the way.

01:31:02.420 And, it seems significant, too.

01:31:03.700 Yeah.

01:31:04.060 If you're the New York Times, or you're JTAP, or you're CNN, disprove it.

01:31:07.520 I don't want to believe something that's wrong.

01:31:09.420 So, show me.

01:31:10.320 Oh, no.

01:31:10.760 DropSite News got it wrong.

01:31:12.000 Those emails are wrong.

01:31:13.180 It turns out he was working for Sweden.

01:31:16.820 Okay.

01:31:17.280 Or no one.

01:31:18.140 Fine.

01:31:19.240 But, they don't do that.

01:31:21.120 They don't disprove it.

01:31:22.120 They don't prove it.

01:31:22.940 They don't report on it.

01:31:24.540 They never, ever talk about it.

01:31:26.900 That is super weird.

01:31:29.360 Super weird.

01:31:30.260 Well, speaking of an admission of guilt.

01:31:31.820 Yeah.

01:31:32.300 Yeah.

01:31:32.700 Because, that is the most interesting story in a long, long time.

01:31:37.140 Obviously, American people are captivated by it.

01:31:39.100 Yes.

01:31:39.320 Is the New York Times and CNN claiming that they're not captivated by it?

01:31:43.540 No, they obviously are, right?

01:31:44.860 And, they report about it as it affects Trump all the time.

01:31:49.340 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, right?

01:31:51.560 I'm not saying that Trump didn't know Epstein.

01:31:53.080 He did.

01:31:53.620 I'm not saying they weren't great friends.

01:31:54.820 They were, right?

01:31:57.140 It's a bigger story, I think we can say.

01:31:58.960 It's a bigger story than just Trump.

01:32:00.460 Yes, I think it is.

01:32:01.280 Right?

01:32:01.720 But, whenever it comes to Trump, they're like, yes, it was Trump.

01:32:04.020 It was Trump.

01:32:04.880 Why?

01:32:05.680 Magic.

01:32:06.460 You don't want to have people look here.

01:32:08.280 This is where the real action is.

01:32:09.680 So, get them to look here.

01:32:10.600 Get them to look here.

01:32:11.400 Yes.

01:32:11.620 It's three-card Monty.

01:32:12.820 Yes.

01:32:13.300 It's all an illusion.

01:32:14.940 So, it's unconscionable not to talk about Epstein's connections to intelligence, including Mossad, and including the CIA.

01:32:23.420 For sure.

01:32:23.860 And British intelligence, and French.

01:32:25.560 And, what was this?

01:32:27.020 I mean, you get the sense that it reveals the, you know, the superstructure beneath.

01:32:31.420 You know, it gives you a glimpse into how power is exercised globally, because it is global, right?

01:32:37.760 And, you know, there's so much that I know a lot about the Epstein story, and I'm still totally ignorant about what that was.

01:32:45.060 I really don't understand it.

01:32:46.340 But, it's obvious there's, it's a third rail for a reason.

01:32:50.580 Yeah.

01:32:51.300 Yeah.

01:32:51.860 Yeah.

01:32:52.140 So, that's why right now there's a bit of a revolution going on.

01:32:57.380 Do you think there is?

01:32:58.160 There is.

01:32:58.960 Yeah.

01:32:59.140 And so, again, another reason why they hate you so much, because the left wing was already gone.

01:33:05.760 You know, 92% disapproving of the actions of Israel and Gaza.

01:33:09.320 And, our politicians already gave us the middle finger and said, no, we'll lose this election rather than defy Israel.

01:33:16.340 We'll lose Michigan.

01:33:17.640 We'll lose swing states.

01:33:18.820 We don't care.

01:33:20.200 We serve Israel loyally.

01:33:21.980 Okay?

01:33:22.520 Now, there's a bunch of Democrats that are against that.

01:33:24.860 Ro Khanna being the leading guy, saying, no, I want to see the Epstein files.

01:33:28.840 No, I think Palestine should exist.

01:33:31.100 I don't know why, why, everybody talks about Israel should be allowed to exist.

01:33:34.680 Good news.

01:33:35.120 They do.

01:33:35.780 Right?

01:33:36.020 And, they have nukes, and they have Iron Dome that nobody has.

01:33:38.620 They're about as safe a country as you could find on planet Earth.

01:33:41.440 No one else has Iron Dome.

01:33:42.980 Only a handful of countries have nukes.

01:33:44.740 They have a better military than the rest of the Middle East combined.

01:33:47.480 They're perfectly safe.

01:33:48.600 Then you say, okay, you're good.

01:33:49.740 You exist.

01:33:50.420 We're all in favor of that.

01:33:51.420 Now, Palestine should exist.

01:33:52.420 They're like, how dare you?

01:33:53.520 You anti-Semite.

01:33:54.800 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:33:56.000 You're the bigot.

01:33:57.080 You're the bigot saying that another people should not have freedom.

01:34:01.980 They've kept those people enslaved, five and a half million Palestinians, for 58 years.

01:34:06.980 And then they brag, oh, Israel's the best democracy and the only democracy in the Middle East.

01:34:12.020 Well, it's a democracy within Israel.

01:34:13.920 It's a dictatorship within the occupied territories.

01:34:16.780 What is happening in the occupied territories?

01:34:18.740 There's a bit of a dictatorship now in mainland Israel for Israeli Jews, too.

01:34:23.160 I mean, you're not welcome to, well, first of all, they try to keep people from leaving the country of restricted freedom of movement.

01:34:29.880 And there, I mean, you get the cops at your door for saying certain things in that country.

01:34:33.980 In many countries, that's true.

01:34:35.600 But it's also true there.

01:34:36.620 So, like, come on now.

01:34:38.060 Yeah.

01:34:38.380 Stop lying to me.

01:34:39.840 Yeah.

01:34:40.240 And so the media, they're an enormous part of the problem.

01:34:46.020 So you see our politicians, both under Democratic and Republican presidents and administrations, say, no, we're not going to release the Epstein files.

01:34:52.980 No, we're going to give Epstein a sweetheart deal back in 2008, and then we're going to take Alex Acosta and make him the labor secretary under Trump.

01:35:01.340 Right?

01:35:01.900 That was the funniest thing that's ever happened.

01:35:04.120 Didn't work very well.

01:35:05.180 Yeah.

01:35:05.520 And by the way, oh, Ghislaine Maxwell, that sounds familiar.

01:35:09.480 Oh, she's the daughter of Robert Maxwell, legendary Israeli spy who stole our nuclear secrets.

01:35:15.560 By the way, I don't know that that's ever been mentioned on cable news.

01:35:19.240 Ever.

01:35:19.500 However, isn't that a super interesting fact that the main co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein, that her dad was the biggest spy Israel has ever had?

01:35:29.840 Now, you could say, hey, the sins of the father are not passed on to the daughter, so that doesn't prove anything.

01:35:34.300 But it's at least an interesting fact.

01:35:36.500 And it's not even the most interesting.

01:35:37.920 In my opinion, the most interesting fact is Attorney General Barr covered up Epstein's murder because he was murdered.

01:35:44.480 And he covered it up as the Attorney General of the United States and said, we have to let people know this was a suicide.

01:35:52.000 Like, number one rule is don't let them think it was a murder.

01:35:54.540 He said that before they'd done an investigation into it.

01:35:56.760 So, like, that's a cover-up by definition.

01:35:58.520 You don't even know the facts, but you're reaching a conclusion and commanding everyone else reach the same conclusion.

01:36:02.080 You're covering it up.

01:36:02.640 And then it turns out his father, Donald Barr, got Jeff Epstein his first job teaching math at the Dalton School.

01:36:11.520 He didn't even have a college degree, okay?

01:36:13.820 And then got him a job at Bear Stearns.

01:36:17.180 The Attorney General's father is the one who started Jeffrey Epstein's career and set him up with his friends in finance.

01:36:24.840 And then his son becomes Attorney General and covers up his murder.

01:36:27.640 I mean, what are the chances, Cenk?

01:36:29.720 Like, what are the odds on that, do you think?

01:36:32.440 Then you combine that with the odds on the Maxwells.

01:36:35.020 Then you combine that with the odds of Israeli spies and prime ministers staying at his house.

01:36:38.960 And then you combine that with all the emails he's saying, I can't wait to get America to do what Israel wants.

01:36:45.520 Unlikely things happen, but we've all seen crazy things happen.

01:36:48.580 It's like, oh, happenstance.

01:36:49.660 And, like, you know, sometimes it, you know, rolls up and you get the jackpot.

01:36:53.500 I get it.

01:36:54.100 That is part of life.

01:36:55.340 But if it keeps happening and you keep yelling at me for noticing, I think you think I'm dumb, right?

01:37:02.100 Yeah.

01:37:02.740 And so, Tucker, what I think happened is-

01:37:05.240 Come on now.

01:37:06.360 Yeah.

01:37:08.120 They're insulting our intelligence.

01:37:09.520 Did you think?

01:37:10.320 Yeah.

01:37:10.820 100%.

01:37:11.180 And so what, but there's something great happening at the same time.

01:37:14.400 Okay.

01:37:14.680 So politicians, terrible, but now we got a little bit of rebellion on the Democratic side with

01:37:19.380 Akana and a couple of guys, a little bit of rebellion on the Republican side with Tom

01:37:22.920 Massey, a little bit of anti-war with Rand Paul.

01:37:26.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene was great.

01:37:27.340 I wanted her to stay.

01:37:28.660 By the way, the one person, we had Marjorie Taylor Greene on the show a couple of times.

01:37:33.140 People started yelling at me.

01:37:34.240 How dare you?

01:37:35.020 What are you doing?

01:37:35.960 She's the enemy and stuff.

01:37:37.640 And I'm like, guys, they want you to think that the other side is the enemy.

01:37:41.180 They want you to-

01:37:41.460 You had Marjorie on your show?

01:37:42.900 Yeah.

01:37:43.200 Oh, bless you.

01:37:44.380 Good.

01:37:44.920 So they want you to attack, use all of your energy and all of your fight against other

01:37:50.660 Americans.

01:37:51.540 Of course.

01:37:52.820 And so Marjorie Taylor Greene comes on and I said, well, I had her on because she's agreeing

01:37:59.080 with us.

01:37:59.740 She's anti-war.

01:38:02.740 We're anti-war.

01:38:03.800 Like I'm taking yes for an answer, right?

01:38:05.580 Amen.

01:38:06.400 They said, but did she ever do anything substantive to stand up to Israel?

01:38:10.400 Yeah, actually she did.

01:38:11.160 But she's almost single-handedly killed a boycott, divestment and sanction bill in the

01:38:15.920 house.

01:38:16.460 Yeah.

01:38:16.640 She said, no, this is taking away Americans' freedom of speech.

01:38:20.300 I'm against it.

01:38:21.400 And when she made a big deal out of it, it embarrassed the other Republicans because,

01:38:26.100 yeah, it's against our freedom of speech.

01:38:28.300 Exactly.

01:38:28.980 Right.

01:38:29.400 And so she did do something great, right?

01:38:32.020 More than almost anyone.

01:38:33.420 Yeah.

01:38:33.800 And so I still disagree with Marjorie and you on other issues, right?

01:38:37.520 But why would people get, that's so interesting that the people would be mad at you for having

01:38:43.580 her on when she's one of the only members of Congress, literally the only members who's

01:38:49.720 doing the things that you have said that you believed in for a long, long time.

01:38:53.640 100%.

01:38:54.120 It's so strange.

01:38:54.860 Because it's because we've been taught by who, by the media, to hate each other and to

01:39:02.580 have a tribal brain, partisan brain.

01:39:04.520 That's totally true.

01:39:05.200 Right?

01:39:05.760 So because if the left and the right, the Republicans and Democrats realize that the people rigging

01:39:10.840 the rules are the ones with all the wealth and power up top, that is the only force that is mighty

01:39:18.200 enough to take on the ruling class, the donor class.

01:39:22.000 So that is why they have to get us fighting at all times.

01:39:25.280 You must hate each other.

01:39:26.600 Don't look up.

01:39:27.200 Whatever you do, don't look up.

01:39:28.720 Hate each other.

01:39:29.400 Use all your energy this way.

01:39:31.140 So unfortunately, our side got taught this too.

01:39:34.340 So Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson, that's it.

01:39:36.740 You can't ever talk to them.

01:39:38.080 They're the bad guys, right?

01:39:39.440 I'm like, are they still the bad guys if they agree with me?

01:39:45.660 Let's define bad guy for a second.

01:39:49.800 And wait, do I have to change my position if Tucker agrees with me?

01:39:56.880 Do I have to become pro-war?

01:40:00.960 All right, let's bomb Iran now.

01:40:03.360 This is too much.

01:40:04.120 I can't deal with it.

01:40:05.080 Some podcaster agrees with me.

01:40:06.940 I'm changing my mind.

01:40:07.880 Yeah, so now Roe did something really smart, and this gets back to Marjorie in a sec.

01:40:13.400 Roe took an executive order that Trump had about lowering drug prices, most favored nation status, right?

01:40:20.360 If France, Germany, Japan are paying this much, we should pay that much.

01:40:23.880 Why are we financing the whole world?

01:40:26.720 And that's what's happening.

01:40:27.740 We're paying so much more, not than Ethiopia, but than other developed nations like Germany.

01:40:33.640 Of course, to subsidize drugs that aren't even made in this country.

01:40:38.280 Yeah.

01:40:38.660 It's so bonkers.

01:40:39.700 By the way, we subsidize them in a hundred different ways.

01:40:41.960 We also, we pay for their research that goes to the universities, right?

01:40:45.740 Of course.

01:40:46.400 And then we give them the patent.

01:40:48.400 What?

01:40:49.280 No, no, no.

01:40:49.700 That patent is worth billions, maybe trillions of dollars.

01:40:53.040 And the American taxpayer paid for that research.

01:40:56.400 Should we not get equity?

01:40:58.420 That is how capitalism works.

01:41:00.640 When we bailed out the banks, should we have not gotten equity?

01:41:03.480 If a private company bailed out the banks, they would have owned the banks, okay?

01:41:09.700 That's how capitalism works.

01:41:11.180 If you don't pay your mortgage, they own your house.

01:41:13.440 Exactly.

01:41:14.220 Right.

01:41:14.680 It's called collateral.

01:41:16.280 Yes.

01:41:16.840 But for the donor class, in that case, the pharmaceutical companies, nope, nope, just have it for free.

01:41:21.980 You outsource the risk, you privatize the reward.

01:41:24.640 It's the oldest system there is, and also the most immoral.

01:41:27.780 Yeah.

01:41:28.520 And so the reason why the tappers of the world hate left-wing populists is because we've been pointing this out for 20 years.

01:41:36.320 So when Roe does this and he goes, okay, look, the executive order, it'll get knocked down by the courts.

01:41:42.720 But good news, if we turn it into a bill, it can't get knocked down by the courts.

01:41:47.520 So he took the executive order verbatim, didn't change a word, okay?

01:41:52.020 And said, now let's pass it as a bill.

01:41:53.780 And he got two or three Republican co-sponsors.

01:41:56.000 I went to the Democrats, the couple of Democrats that I know in Congress.

01:41:59.640 I was like, guys, this is beautiful.

01:42:00.940 It's a layup.

01:42:01.720 This is core Democratic policy.

01:42:03.920 We got super lucky.

01:42:04.920 Trump did an executive order doing our policies.

01:42:07.360 So let's jump on Roe's bill.

01:42:09.300 Nope.

01:42:09.580 The only person I could convince to join Roe's bill was Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:42:15.680 No way.

01:42:16.760 Yes.

01:42:19.420 And did Jake Tapper weigh in on this?

01:42:21.860 So, no, here's my beef, old school beef with Jake.

01:42:25.920 So other than his nonstop defense of Israel.

01:42:30.020 So, and I'm sure he'll object to that.

01:42:32.060 Oh, that's, I've slightly tweaked them from time to time.

01:42:35.040 What do you mean?

01:42:36.180 Okay.

01:42:36.980 I'm slight.

01:42:37.700 I'm like 12%, 11, 9, 7% against the genocide.

01:42:41.000 Okay.

01:42:41.240 But it's not a genocide, you anti-Semite.

01:42:42.780 Okay.

01:42:44.220 So, I feel like Jake Tapper is looking down his nose at us every time he talks on TV.

01:42:49.440 He's like, and I will tell you this, Israel had nothing to do.

01:42:52.480 And none of the donors had anything to do with anything, right?

01:42:54.620 I feel like he, I don't, I know Jake well, but I feel like he's the one who's suffering.

01:42:59.960 I feel like it hasn't worked.

01:43:01.760 It's the prizes that he wanted, he weren't worth having.

01:43:05.300 And he doesn't seem happy at all to me, but, you know, maybe I'm just.

01:43:09.860 So, God bless his heart.

01:43:11.880 I wish him nothing but happiness.

01:43:13.340 Yeah, yeah, me too.

01:43:14.180 But, so how did it come about?

01:43:15.660 So, when I ran for Congress, the media lied about me in hilarious ways.

01:43:20.100 Okay.

01:43:20.860 So, and Jake joined in on that.

01:43:22.980 So, they would take out of context clips and then Jake would retweet it and without even checking,

01:43:28.180 what, I thought you were a journalist.

01:43:29.640 So, they, the New York Times said that I had a history of being anti-Muslim and never mentioned

01:43:35.160 that I was born Muslim and my family's Muslim and my background's Muslim, never mentioned it.

01:43:38.840 The New York Times described me in such a vicious way that if I was a voter in my, in that district

01:43:43.860 that I was running in, I would have voted against me, right?

01:43:46.780 Because I don't want to vote for an anti-Muslim, anti-Semite, anti-everything.

01:43:50.480 They painted me as like some like vicious, racist right-winger when I was the biggest supporter

01:43:57.960 of Bernie Sanders in the primaries, right?

01:44:00.560 In 2016, 2020, et cetera.

01:44:02.420 So, and then they said, oh, he had an interview with David Duke where I lit into David Duke

01:44:08.720 because David Duke was saying outwardly anti-Semitic things.

01:44:11.480 Yeah.

01:44:11.740 And I called him an anti-Semite, a bigot, all these things.

01:44:14.860 You know me, I-

01:44:15.800 And also a federal informant, just to be, just to add to the list.

01:44:18.740 Yeah.

01:44:19.140 And so, and an idiot, et cetera.

01:44:21.460 So, I said all those things in the interview.

01:44:23.660 I hold, no holds barred to Young Turks, right?

01:44:26.580 New York Times said that I agreed with David Duke that he was not a racist.

01:44:32.380 And other outlets said that I brought David Duke on to share his anti-Semitic views.

01:44:36.960 No way.

01:44:37.880 Yeah.

01:44:38.480 And so, other journalists watched the interview.

01:44:41.960 Well, they want to see how terribly anti-Semitic and racist Cenk was pretending to be a left-winger

01:44:46.880 and all this.

01:44:48.040 And they're like, holy shit, you guys are totally lying.

01:44:50.880 The exact opposite happened in the interview.

01:44:52.960 So, New York Times had to do a rare correction on that one.

01:44:56.260 They're like, okay, fine.

01:44:57.500 All right.

01:44:57.780 He was being sarcastic.

01:44:59.560 Fine.

01:45:00.220 Okay.

01:45:00.960 But we, by the way, I had a PR person because it was a congressional run.

01:45:04.740 And they're really well connected to all these folks.

01:45:06.800 They called the New York Times.

01:45:07.760 They called the editor.

01:45:08.800 And the editor, this is amazing.

01:45:10.020 The editor told him, and I don't know why they say these things.

01:45:12.540 I'm stunned that they say them out loud.

01:45:14.320 But the editor told him, look, you're right.

01:45:18.000 I watched the David Duke interview.

01:45:20.180 We got it retracted.

01:45:21.700 And you're right about the Muslims thing.

01:45:23.320 You're right about the beastiality thing, which we'll get back to.

01:45:25.420 The beastiality.

01:45:26.500 Which is hilarious.

01:45:27.680 That's my favorite.

01:45:28.600 Hold on.

01:45:29.620 So, he says, but I went around and I asked, and everyone here hates jank.

01:45:35.240 And they don't want to do a correction.

01:45:36.880 The best I could do was get a correction on the David Duke one because that one's so over

01:45:41.280 the top.

01:45:43.900 Everyone here hates jank.

01:45:46.800 That's amazing.

01:45:48.300 That's amazing.

01:45:49.480 Yeah.

01:45:49.700 I don't know how many people he asked.

01:45:50.760 I don't know if he asked.

01:45:51.320 Three people, 13 people.

01:45:52.620 It was probably a small group that was working on that group.

01:45:55.740 So, but the fact that he would say that to our PR guy is unbelievable, right?

01:46:00.080 So, now the beastiality.

01:46:01.780 Okay.

01:46:02.140 So, I do a segment on the Young Turks like over a decade ago.

01:46:05.780 And I say, we had this guy, Rodell, that was having sex with horses in Tennessee.

01:46:11.900 And we thought, what a bizarre, crazy story.

01:46:14.660 He gave the horse an STD.

01:46:17.020 Okay.

01:46:17.600 We're like, Rodell, what are you doing?

01:46:19.600 What are you doing?

01:46:20.040 We're making fun of this guy.

01:46:20.860 So, then I really dryly, I go, you know what?

01:46:24.540 If the horse is receiving it, you know, I don't know that the horse is objecting, right?

01:46:28.880 They cut the tape.

01:46:30.180 And he goes, that's it.

01:46:31.440 Jenks Furby's challenge.

01:46:32.980 Okay.

01:46:33.620 Now, if you keep rolling the tape, what I say next is, is the horse going to object?

01:46:39.440 Nay.

01:46:40.520 And then everybody in the studio laughs.

01:46:41.840 That's pretty funny, actually.

01:46:42.600 Yeah.

01:46:42.860 And everybody laughs.

01:46:43.840 But they cut that part out, right?

01:46:46.240 So, New York Times made it seem like it was part of my legislative agenda.

01:46:50.860 Horse sex?

01:46:54.060 Yes.

01:46:55.060 I mean, isn't that like an old Lyndon Johnson quote?

01:46:57.760 It's very much like a very, I can't say it's too vulgar, but yes.

01:47:01.100 And the idea was to accuse your opponent of, well, bestiality.

01:47:06.620 Not because it's true, because then he'll have to deny it and repeat it.

01:47:09.600 Yeah.

01:47:09.880 And here I am denying it and repeating it.

01:47:11.640 When the conversation is about bestiality, you're not winning.

01:47:14.360 It doesn't matter.

01:47:15.960 So, that's why they do tricks like that.

01:47:17.980 And Tapper's like, retweet.

01:47:20.000 Love it.

01:47:20.860 Who cares?

01:47:21.540 Oh, I wonder what he said next.

01:47:23.340 It's not a thought he had in his mind, apparently.

01:47:25.560 Right?

01:47:26.060 That's amazing.

01:47:27.120 So, that's how they do character assassinations.

01:47:30.040 Okay?

01:47:30.440 But you said at the outset that they're losing.

01:47:34.760 And I do think that's like the real lesson here.

01:47:37.420 So, like, I was at CNN with Jake, you know, 25 years ago.

01:47:41.280 And that was like a big, to us, it was, you know, in your 20s, it's like a big thing.

01:47:44.940 We're at CNN.

01:47:45.660 We're, oh, it's so great.

01:47:47.140 And he stayed.

01:47:48.360 And you get to 2026.

01:47:51.040 It's like, who would want a job at CNN?

01:47:52.400 Like, I don't think, again, the prize is worth winning.

01:47:56.520 Like, you don't actually want that.

01:47:58.100 Not just because it's liberal or whatever, dishonest, because, like, nobody cares.

01:48:02.160 Yeah.

01:48:02.480 Like, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

01:48:04.180 Or maybe I'm just too out of it.

01:48:05.680 And I think that.

01:48:06.400 Do you think it still means something?

01:48:08.280 Uh, no, it means very little.

01:48:10.040 But in their world, that's still high status for them.

01:48:12.680 Really?

01:48:13.240 Yeah.

01:48:13.780 Oh, of course.

01:48:15.260 So, look, Tucker, look at our careers and how much things have changed in the last 10, 15 years.

01:48:22.620 Oh, yeah.

01:48:23.380 And so, when I was a host on MSNBC at 6 o'clock back in 2011, that was highly celebrated.

01:48:34.480 I mean, I instantly started winning awards and getting speeches, paid speeches, and all these amazing things that I never got online.

01:48:43.220 We're the first YouTube partner channel ever.

01:48:47.020 I'm the original YouTuber.

01:48:49.600 Really?

01:48:50.160 Yeah.

01:48:50.820 Young Turks is.

01:48:51.940 Young Turks, yes.

01:48:52.440 I didn't know that.

01:48:53.240 Yeah.

01:48:53.500 What year did you start it?

01:48:54.680 So, we started the show back in 2002.

01:48:58.380 So, we've been around 23 years.

01:49:00.080 We were the original talk show for Sirius Satellite Radio.

01:49:03.000 So, we're the first show there.

01:49:05.480 Then, we went to Air America.

01:49:07.280 You remember the liberal radio?

01:49:08.560 Very well, yeah.

01:49:09.200 And we were their morning drive.

01:49:11.720 And then, we went.

01:49:12.360 So, as part of that, we were all over radio markets throughout the country, on XM, and we did great.

01:49:19.000 Our ratings were terrific in different places.

01:49:22.180 Then, we started online video in 2005, and we're the oldest running show in internet history.

01:49:28.160 We're the longest running show there is online.

01:49:30.040 That's amazing.

01:49:30.600 I did not know that.

01:49:31.500 That's amazing.

01:49:32.480 So, that's pretty neat.

01:49:33.480 We feel good about it.

01:49:34.760 Now, uh...

01:49:35.400 But there wasn't a ton of prestige attached to that for the first 10 years, right?

01:49:39.540 Oh, my God.

01:49:40.180 I was mocked.

01:49:41.360 You're on the internet.

01:49:42.580 Yeah.

01:49:43.060 I mean, I was on television, so I know that I looked at, on the internet, some internet show.

01:49:47.060 Yeah.

01:49:47.240 Internet.

01:49:47.540 People told us, like, why would you leave Sirius Satellite Radio to go do YouTube?

01:49:56.460 Like, what are you, on there with the cats playing piano?

01:49:58.800 It's 100%.

01:49:59.520 Fat kid falls off bike.

01:50:00.940 Yeah.

01:50:01.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:02.060 And so, I keep turning down money.

01:50:05.400 It's Sirius.

01:50:05.840 They offered us a quarter of a million to not do online video.

01:50:10.020 And I was like, no.

01:50:11.660 No, online video is the future.

01:50:13.580 I'm going to do online video by hook or by crook.

01:50:15.520 I believe it in 1,000%.

01:50:17.260 I wrote my friends an email in 1998 saying online video was going to be TV, that it was

01:50:22.320 only a matter of time, okay?

01:50:24.060 So, that's why we're the first YouTube partner, because I was positive not only that online

01:50:28.120 video was going to win, but YouTube was going to win.

01:50:30.380 And so, the entire time, mainstream media is mocking us, et cetera.

01:50:34.440 But then, in 2011, I did a campaign to get on MSNBC, and our audience is amazing.

01:50:40.660 Best audience in the world.

01:50:41.680 So, they sent thousands of emails to MSNBC until I finally got a meeting.

01:50:46.960 My agent originally fired me.

01:50:48.480 I declared my candidacy for the open position at MSNBC.

01:50:52.720 And the guy who worked for us at CIA at the time was like, this is embarrassing.

01:50:57.260 You're not going to get the job.

01:50:58.780 And so, don't do that.

01:51:00.040 It'll be very public.

01:51:00.820 And I was like, brother, I got news for you.

01:51:02.820 I wasn't going to get the job anyway, okay?

01:51:04.780 Fair, fair.

01:51:05.420 Right?

01:51:05.740 And so, and I'm a risk taker, and I'm a natural-born rebel.

01:51:09.300 So, I'm going to go for it.

01:51:10.460 And I believe in my audience.

01:51:12.300 And they did.

01:51:12.740 They got me the job there.

01:51:14.060 Great news.

01:51:14.940 That's wild.

01:51:16.360 It was amazing.

01:51:17.040 And then, they kept watching and watching.

01:51:18.600 We're like doubling the ratings of the regular hosts.

01:51:21.900 It's unseen, unheard of.

01:51:23.980 Like, if a guest host fills in and gets about 75% of the audience, that's a pretty good job.

01:51:28.900 Definitely.

01:51:29.520 Yeah.

01:51:29.840 That's a nice job.

01:51:31.040 I'm getting 125, 150 on some super rare occasions.

01:51:34.600 It's got 200%.

01:51:35.580 So, doubling the audience.

01:51:37.180 But 125, 150% of the regular hosts on a consistent basis to the point where a supervising producer

01:51:43.020 came in, closed the door on a day we had great ratings, and, Cenk, you got to bring it down.

01:51:47.800 I said, why?

01:51:48.640 Bring it down.

01:51:49.740 Stop rating so high.

01:51:51.420 He said, because the other hosts won't want you to fill in for it.

01:51:55.520 Well, that is a real thing.

01:51:57.100 That's a real thing.

01:51:58.060 Oh, I know.

01:51:59.100 And so-

01:51:59.860 I never felt that way.

01:52:00.940 I'm not competitive.

01:52:01.720 But there are a lot of people who would not have you sit in as a guy.

01:52:04.520 I mean, that actually happened to me.

01:52:06.380 A very famous host stopped having me because I did decent numbers.

01:52:09.820 They don't want that.

01:52:10.440 I get it.

01:52:11.080 Yeah.

01:52:11.360 But good news, the ratings were so good, I got the job anyway.

01:52:15.080 I'm on there for six months.

01:52:16.540 But in the middle, I kept criticizing the Democrats.

01:52:21.760 And I kept criticizing Obama from the left, not from the right, but from the left.

01:52:26.020 They're like, shh, remember who the home team is.

01:52:28.960 Yeah.

01:52:29.500 Remember who the home team is.

01:52:30.740 That's right.

01:52:31.160 Right?

01:52:31.680 And I'm like, yeah, the home team's the audience.

01:52:33.460 That's why I have higher ratings than you've ever had at six o'clock.

01:52:36.620 Yeah.

01:52:36.820 And they made me an offer that they thought I couldn't refuse, which was, you know what?

01:52:43.440 We're going to move you down to the weekends, even though you have the best ratings we've had.

01:52:47.220 And by the way, I beat Fox in 18 to 34.

01:52:49.660 I was the only MSNBC show to beat Fox in any demographic.

01:52:54.180 Okay?

01:52:55.080 And they're like, we're moving you down on the weekends.

01:52:56.960 Why?

01:52:57.700 They won't say it.

01:52:58.820 But Phil did say it earlier.

01:53:00.520 He had pulled me into his office in March.

01:53:02.360 This is Phil Griffin, the then president.

01:53:03.920 Yeah.

01:53:04.180 Of MSNBC.

01:53:05.300 And he said, I was in Washington, and they're not happy with your tone.

01:53:10.460 Oh, Washington's not happy?

01:53:12.340 Mm-hmm.

01:53:13.420 Yeah.

01:53:14.560 What?

01:53:15.120 It's like a movie.

01:53:16.200 It is.

01:53:16.700 But it's a B-rate movie.

01:53:18.200 I know.

01:53:18.600 The reason I believe you, I work for Phil Griffin, so I know, who I will always like, but he's

01:53:24.820 not a genius at all.

01:53:26.180 And so he says true things out loud because he doesn't sort of know.

01:53:30.740 I mean, I can literally picture him saying, Cenk, Washington's not happy.

01:53:36.240 Yeah.

01:53:36.820 No, he went further.

01:53:37.820 He said, outsiders are cool, and they wear leather jackets and ride motorcycles.

01:53:42.520 Okay?

01:53:42.840 But we're NBC.

01:53:44.320 We're not outsiders.

01:53:45.240 We're insiders.

01:53:46.340 I'm like, Phil, this is a dumb speech.

01:53:48.220 Like, I'm thinking, this is a dumb speech.

01:53:50.140 And I'm the very last guy on earth you should be giving this speech to, right?

01:53:53.560 So that's why he offered to double my salary when he said move to the weekends.

01:53:58.160 Because the only way you stay on cable news is if you play ball.

01:54:02.060 Of course.

01:54:02.720 Right.

01:54:03.680 And at some point, apparently, they were not happy with you.

01:54:07.720 Apparently.

01:54:08.520 That was the message I received, yes.

01:54:10.640 Yeah.

01:54:11.460 No one ever explained it, but I didn't care.

01:54:14.000 Now, when I said no to MSNBC, and when you came off of Fox, in their minds, we were gone.

01:54:20.260 We were dead.

01:54:21.200 We didn't exist anymore.

01:54:22.900 But yet, here we are.

01:54:25.120 No, I think that I'm thankful to God all the time for that.

01:54:28.280 But no, I totally agree, and part of it's the technology, and I just wasn't farsighted

01:54:33.200 or broad-minded enough to see it early at all.

01:54:36.860 I mean, I was busy scrambling up the greasy pole of television, and I just didn't, I don't

01:54:42.480 know, I didn't see it, you know?

01:54:44.120 Yeah.

01:54:44.320 I made fun of Rogan.

01:54:45.240 I've told Rogan this.

01:54:46.060 I made fun of Rogan.

01:54:46.880 Oh, a podcast.

01:54:47.760 I'm sure a lot of people listen to that.

01:54:49.580 Or the internet.

01:54:50.740 I was like, the internet, please.

01:54:52.700 So you saw it.

01:54:53.620 I wish I had seen it.

01:54:54.520 I didn't.

01:54:54.920 But I also think it's not just technology.

01:54:57.740 It's a way of thinking, and it's super obvious.

01:55:01.880 I wrote a part of a book on this once that your opening line is the truest thing.

01:55:07.820 Some of this is real.

01:55:08.780 A lot of it is fake.

01:55:10.480 Go fight amongst yourselves while we loot the place.

01:55:13.180 Like, that is true.

01:55:15.380 Yeah.

01:55:15.680 So what they do is they eventually remove anyone who objects to the system.

01:55:21.300 Exactly.

01:55:21.980 Right.

01:55:22.280 So another good example is Dylan Rattigan.

01:55:24.640 So Dylan Rattigan was his...

01:55:25.660 Always admired Dylan Rattigan.

01:55:27.340 Yep.

01:55:27.740 He was a CNBC, started their two most successful shows, biggest, most successful anchor they've

01:55:33.800 ever had.

01:55:34.420 But after 2008 crash, he said it was the banks because it was the banks.

01:55:40.000 How is that controversial?

01:55:41.760 And CNBC had to take him off the air.

01:55:43.720 Who else was it?

01:55:44.900 Who else was it?

01:55:46.020 The borrowers?

01:55:47.020 It's the borrower's fault?

01:55:48.280 That was literally...

01:55:49.060 Who wrote the loans?

01:55:50.000 The banks.

01:55:51.060 So that's how the ecosystem works.

01:55:54.600 Those banks pay the politicians.

01:55:56.740 By the way, number one donor to Hope and Change Obama in 2008 were the banks.

01:56:02.800 Okay.

01:56:03.280 So then they get a giant bailout and their bonuses are paid.

01:56:07.740 And with some of those winnings, they funnel the money back to the politicians.

01:56:12.100 And then how do they control media?

01:56:14.020 Well, the banks are also huge advertisers.

01:56:16.560 Wait, but are you...

01:56:17.240 Is that true?

01:56:17.840 I mean...

01:56:18.420 Okay.

01:56:18.800 So 08 happens.

01:56:20.140 The global financial crisis totally changed the world forever.

01:56:22.900 And there's not a single human being, honest person, who could say it wasn't the banks.

01:56:28.840 I mean, what else would it be if it wasn't the banks?

01:56:30.560 It was only the banks.

01:56:31.580 It was the banks by definition.

01:56:34.220 And he actually got taken off the air for saying that?

01:56:37.080 Because if you can't say that, then you can't acknowledge like daylight or gravity.

01:56:41.980 Yeah.

01:56:42.540 But that's true?

01:56:43.540 That's really what happened?

01:56:44.240 That's definitely what happened.

01:56:45.320 Yes.

01:56:46.780 That's pretty wild.

01:56:48.220 They said it was the borrowers.

01:56:49.860 They did.

01:56:50.500 It was the borrowers?

01:56:51.280 Yes.

01:56:51.940 It was their fault.

01:56:52.640 They were being irresponsible.

01:56:54.700 They shouldn't have...

01:56:55.140 Borrowers.

01:56:55.680 They shouldn't have borrowed so much.

01:56:56.760 They wrote their own loans.

01:56:57.800 Is that the allegation?

01:56:59.460 I mean, why did...

01:57:00.380 Some housekeeper in Clark County, Nevada was writing bad loans to herself.

01:57:04.720 And golly gee, we couldn't tell because we didn't do any due diligence on that loan.

01:57:09.720 Well, why didn't you do any due diligence on that loan?

01:57:12.100 Right?

01:57:12.420 Because they didn't care.

01:57:13.400 And because they were using it for collateralized debt obligations.

01:57:16.220 Exactly.

01:57:16.640 And leveraging it up 100 to 1 and gambling with our money.

01:57:20.000 They weren't actually mortgages.

01:57:21.440 They were financial instruments.

01:57:22.840 Exactly.

01:57:23.140 And we thought we were taking bank loans.

01:57:25.940 They were loaning that money out at interest and that we're getting the, you know, equity

01:57:29.700 in the house or whatever.

01:57:30.500 That was not what it was.

01:57:32.300 And Dylan talks about how in the beginning we used to do wealth creation.

01:57:35.520 Right.

01:57:36.260 Now, mainly it's wealth extraction.

01:57:38.760 Yeah, I've noticed.

01:57:39.280 And so those donors have having bought Congress and the media are sitting there and extracting

01:57:46.540 as much from us as humanly possible.

01:57:48.540 The oil companies are very successful.

01:57:50.840 Some of the top companies in the world.

01:57:52.340 Yes.

01:57:52.480 Very, very profitable.

01:57:53.480 We give them $35 billion in subsidies every year.

01:57:57.900 Why?

01:57:58.900 I don't know.

01:57:59.760 Why is the average person working their ass off in Kansas, barely making, you know, the

01:58:05.260 rent or the mortgage, have to give money to these incredibly profitable companies to

01:58:11.180 incentivize oil drilling we hear?

01:58:13.700 Do they need further incentive?

01:58:15.340 I thought capitalism was the incentive.

01:58:17.760 I thought profit was the incentive.

01:58:19.900 Why do I have to further incentivize oil companies to do their jobs?

01:58:23.060 That's a good point.

01:58:23.600 It's determined by the market price of oil, the per barrel price of oil, which is set

01:58:28.360 on international markets.

01:58:29.280 No individual controls that.

01:58:30.740 And so when it's profitable to drill for oil or gas, they do.

01:58:34.220 And when it's not, they don't.

01:58:35.300 Like that's called the market, right?

01:58:36.840 Yeah.

01:58:37.060 And so, and here's another thing that's never corrected on cable news, even though it would

01:58:41.000 be against Trump.

01:58:41.900 So they have every reason to, to publicize this.

01:58:45.000 So when we invade Venezuela or we attack Venezuela and now we're getting their oil, right?

01:58:50.600 But wait, who's we, the American people don't get the oil of Venezuela.

01:58:55.380 It has nothing to do with the American people.

01:58:57.780 No, ExxonMobil gets a contract.

01:59:00.780 Chevron gets a contract with Venezuela.

01:59:03.380 They get the oil.

01:59:04.800 They get the profits.

01:59:06.000 They sell it on the world market, not just the American market at all.

01:59:09.680 They have no obligation.

01:59:10.580 If they want, they don't have to send, sell Americans a single ounce of that oil because

01:59:16.720 it is their oil, not our oil.

01:59:19.180 And why does that even matter?

01:59:20.540 Because ExxonMobil otherwise would have had to pay a higher price to get Venezuelan oil.

01:59:24.640 It's not like they couldn't, they could just make a deal with Venezuela, but they chose

01:59:27.700 not to because they thought it would be too expensive.

01:59:29.880 So instead we have to start a war.

01:59:32.100 We have to pay for that war.

01:59:34.220 And then we pay oil subsidies on top for the oil companies and they get the oil.

01:59:38.760 Well, they settle on the world markets.

01:59:40.180 It doesn't lower our prices at all.

01:59:42.740 And so what did we get out of this?

01:59:45.860 Well, so the plan on this and who knows how it'll work out.

01:59:48.900 I don't know.

01:59:50.120 But the plan is for the administration to negotiate the oil contracts and for the money to go to

01:59:57.780 the administration and then to be doled out to the treasury and then the companies.

02:00:03.960 That's, that's the stated plan.

02:00:05.380 I happened to be there the other day when they were talking about it.

02:00:07.760 So is the plan to take a percentage of the Venezuelan oil and just give it to America?

02:00:13.420 Yes.

02:00:14.280 That is unprecedented.

02:00:15.680 That's the stated plan.

02:00:17.780 I'm not an expert.

02:00:19.060 I'm not, you know, an energy person.

02:00:21.040 I'm interested, but I'm not an expert.

02:00:22.280 I don't speak Spanish.

02:00:22.960 Like there's a lot of, a lot of ignorance.

02:00:25.700 And of course I can't see the future, but yes, that's the stated plan.

02:00:28.620 That's what Trump said to, I was having lunch with Trump and he's like, oh, come to the

02:00:33.960 oil meeting.

02:00:34.500 I'm like, I don't, you know, it's not my world.

02:00:36.780 So I was like, okay.

02:00:37.580 So I go up there and all these heads of the big oil companies, including Exxon, they didn't

02:00:40.980 seem too enthusiastic about it, but we'll see.

02:00:43.540 And I just happened to be sitting in the room totally by accident.

02:00:47.000 I mean, literally by accident, because he's asked me to come.

02:00:50.080 And he's like, he's telling him, he's like, no, no, no.

02:00:53.620 This is for our country and you'll get a cut that I will decide.

02:00:58.600 You know, I can just tell you what I saw.

02:01:00.980 So that's a, that's not how it should work, right?

02:01:04.860 Because when you say to a different country, we're going to come and we're going to take

02:01:08.600 your natural resources and we're just going to take a certain amount for us, period, sad

02:01:13.300 day for you.

02:01:14.060 What will happen is an insurgency.

02:01:16.760 People will be mad about that.

02:01:18.360 Well, that's the concern.

02:01:19.700 I mean, and the other point that he made again, I don't know where this is going.

02:01:22.920 I am literally praying for stability in Venezuela and around the world.

02:01:26.680 I hate the chaos.

02:01:27.640 I hate the chaos.

02:01:28.920 And Israel unleashes so much.

02:01:30.240 We unleash so much.

02:01:31.340 It's just the worst thing that we do.

02:01:33.140 But the idea is that they have cash, big time cash shortages.

02:01:39.460 You have to pay the military.

02:01:40.560 You have to pay the government workers.

02:01:41.880 You have to make sure inflation doesn't get out of control.

02:01:44.200 The currency doesn't collapse, et cetera, et cetera.

02:01:46.420 And that oil profits will go to Venezuela.

02:01:49.800 This is the stated aim to keep the country from falling apart and to prevent insurgencies,

02:01:54.940 which they're afraid of.

02:01:55.760 Because then like, how is that a win?

02:01:57.840 Yeah.

02:01:58.460 So to say that I'm enormously skeptical of it is another statement.

02:02:01.300 Yeah, I get it.

02:02:01.860 I get it.

02:02:02.420 I get it.

02:02:02.740 And so, you know, in Iraq, we didn't get any of the oil.

02:02:05.400 The oil companies got it and it didn't help us at all.

02:02:08.200 Trump's been mad about it ever since.

02:02:09.740 We called a lot of the Latin American countries banana republics.

02:02:12.820 Why?

02:02:13.140 We did coups on behalf of banana companies.

02:02:15.540 It's not their fault.

02:02:16.200 It's our fault.

02:02:16.640 Our banana.

02:02:17.200 Did we get the bananas?

02:02:18.500 No.

02:02:19.520 Dole got the bananas.

02:02:20.340 Exactly.

02:02:20.920 They sold them at the same exact price.

02:02:23.820 They just had a higher profit margin.

02:02:25.320 Right.

02:02:25.500 We literally attack countries for Halliburton's profit, for Dole, the food company's profits.

02:02:32.140 So who is we?

02:02:33.300 Who is the American people, right?

02:02:35.020 And when do we ever get represented?

02:02:37.340 I could not.

02:02:38.920 You know, I vehemently agree.

02:02:41.160 And the space between intent and reality is often very wide.

02:02:45.440 So you don't know what's going to happen.

02:02:47.800 But the only thing that I learned, and I didn't go to Washington to talk about Venezuela, but I just happened to see this.

02:02:57.940 The main thing that I learned is what's being described is a brand new system.

02:03:04.420 And whether that'll happen, you know, a lot of powerful forces don't want it to happen.

02:03:07.380 But that's what is being described is a totally new arrangement.

02:03:10.960 We'll see.

02:03:11.520 Yeah.

02:03:11.980 So, look, my sense of it is when you go and you attack other countries, our military is amazing.

02:03:18.640 Best in the world.

02:03:19.420 Best that's ever been created.

02:03:20.740 Right?

02:03:20.900 Yep.

02:03:21.200 So that was an amazing mission that they did in Venezuela and an amazing one they did in Iran.

02:03:25.540 But you do three or four of those and you're going to get burned because it's just a matter of chances.

02:03:30.320 I think that's right.

02:03:32.040 And, yeah, it's just rolling.

02:03:34.440 No, I agree with everything that you said.

02:03:36.740 And just in general, it's good to know your limits.

02:03:40.780 I think humility is important.

02:03:42.500 I think you can really get hurt.

02:03:43.960 I've gotten hurt in my life because I imagined I had powers I didn't have.

02:03:47.140 Like, I think it's a very male thing.

02:03:48.740 I could do that.

02:03:49.680 Yeah.

02:03:50.180 And so, guys, I just want the audience to know, once we lose some men, right, like, I don't know where it's going to happen.

02:03:57.120 I don't know if it's in Venezuela or Iran or somewhere else.

02:03:59.200 But somebody's going to get shot down.

02:04:01.140 We're going to lose 12, 13 guys.

02:04:03.020 Whatever's going to happen, right?

02:04:04.520 Let's, you know, don't panic.

02:04:08.600 Don't let them sheep herd you into saying, well, that means we've got to put more troops in.

02:04:14.160 I agree with that.

02:04:14.800 Right?

02:04:15.080 Now we've got to get revenge.

02:04:16.660 So then, oh, now we lost 100 guys.

02:04:18.740 Now we've got to dig in even more and more and more so that, you know, whether it's ExxonMobil or Israel or whoever's profiting off of it.

02:04:25.980 I could not agree more because you open yourself up to manipulation and false flags.

02:04:29.600 And we've seen many, many false flags.

02:04:31.520 I would say there are a bunch of things about the Reagan record I would not defend.

02:04:35.560 I don't think anyone should defend.

02:04:36.880 But in October of 83, we had this horrible barracks bombing.

02:04:40.040 The Marine barracks killed over 200 men.

02:04:43.780 Marines.

02:04:44.680 Horrible, truly horrible bombing.

02:04:46.320 And Reagan did not invade Lebanon.

02:04:51.080 You know, it happened in Beirut.

02:04:52.200 He did not invade.

02:04:52.940 I mean, that and people were really on him.

02:04:55.860 Like, you can't, you're going to let those murders go unavenged.

02:04:59.160 And he said, I don't think it's wise.

02:05:02.240 He wasn't always wise.

02:05:03.020 But in this case, I think he was wise.

02:05:04.860 He didn't invade Beirut.

02:05:05.760 We could have.

02:05:06.600 You know, I voted the last, I used to be Republican growing up.

02:05:09.520 And the last Republican I voted for was George H.W. Bush.

02:05:15.040 And so why did I vote for him?

02:05:17.280 Because he, I thought he did something very principled.

02:05:21.660 He said, look, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

02:05:24.120 And we can't have that.

02:05:25.740 They're an ally and they're a sovereign country.

02:05:27.880 And if sovereign countries attack one another, there'll be no end to it.

02:05:31.600 Right.

02:05:31.760 Okay.

02:05:32.480 So then they said, okay, and I like that.

02:05:35.260 I like the first Persian Gulf War.

02:05:36.520 In fact, at college, I did a pro-war rally.

02:05:39.920 Okay.

02:05:40.300 Actually?

02:05:40.880 Actually, at Penn.

02:05:41.920 Yes.

02:05:42.560 I was on, I got on Fox for it.

02:05:44.400 And it debated an anti-war guy in Philadelphia over.

02:05:50.160 Okay.

02:05:51.040 So.

02:05:51.680 Is that tape available?

02:05:53.180 Yeah.

02:05:53.640 It's my first TV appearance.

02:05:55.560 What year was that?

02:05:56.620 That must have been 91, 92.

02:05:59.360 Yeah.

02:05:59.780 Amazing.

02:06:00.660 Yeah.

02:06:01.340 And so, look, I don't think I'd do a pro-war rally today.

02:06:04.700 Probably not.

02:06:05.300 Right.

02:06:05.500 And people change.

02:06:07.180 And that's what's.

02:06:07.500 We've also had an awful lot of war.

02:06:09.340 Right.

02:06:09.580 We've had an awful lot of war from 1991 or two to present.

02:06:12.800 I don't know how many wars.

02:06:13.520 In 35 years, we've had a lot of wars.

02:06:15.600 Yeah.

02:06:16.040 And at that point, we didn't.

02:06:17.080 We left Vietnam in 1975.

02:06:19.760 And, you know, we did Grenada.

02:06:21.660 But we didn't really have a lot of wars between Vietnam and.

02:06:25.600 Right.

02:06:25.760 So, people had a different memory.

02:06:27.960 Yeah.

02:06:28.280 And so, first of all, you know, one of the things that we emphasize on Young Turks is open hearts, open minds.

02:06:34.340 Amen.

02:06:34.520 And so, and one of the things I tell the audience is, if I didn't believe in open minds, I would have stayed a Republican.

02:06:39.840 So, right.

02:06:41.360 So, you got to have, you got to be thinking.

02:06:43.600 You got to be looking at new evidence, data.

02:06:45.700 So, in that case, it was actually not a bad war.

02:06:47.780 I mean, wars are always terrible, but Persian Gulf War, we go in, it's very limited.

02:06:51.700 We free Kuwait, and we get the hell out.

02:06:53.780 Yes.

02:06:53.880 And the decision I liked the most was, he did not go into Iraq.

02:06:58.600 At the time, Israel and others are going, go into Iraq, go into Iraq.

02:07:02.360 They were mad that we didn't go.

02:07:03.540 Yeah.

02:07:04.180 And the guy who held the line was Dick Cheney, of all people.

02:07:07.600 He was the Secretary of Defense.

02:07:08.700 That's correct.

02:07:09.280 And he said, no, it makes no strategic sense for America to go into Iraq.

02:07:13.980 What are we going to do with it?

02:07:15.740 Right?

02:07:16.000 And that was really prescient and right.

02:07:18.560 And it's amazing what happens to people.

02:07:20.840 And I don't know what happened to Dick Cheney.

02:07:22.980 But he then turns around, you know, just some small amount of time later, working for George W. Bush.

02:07:29.220 And he says, we got to go into Iraq.

02:07:31.080 We got to go into Iraq.

02:07:32.120 And then, of course, Halliburton makes a tremendous profit.

02:07:35.100 Israel is super happy.

02:07:37.000 All the defense contractors are super happy.

02:07:39.220 We think that Iraq was a waste.

02:07:41.340 We lost trillions of dollars.

02:07:42.620 We lost thousands of men, Americans that died on foreign soil.

02:07:47.500 Or were destroyed, you know, for the rest of their lives.

02:07:50.080 Yeah.

02:07:50.320 I mean, you must know some.

02:07:51.440 I sure do.

02:07:52.800 Yeah.

02:07:53.400 But it wasn't a loss for the donor class.

02:07:56.640 For the donor class, they won.

02:07:58.400 They won spectacularly.

02:07:59.920 Defense contractors, oil companies, the speculators on Wall Street.

02:08:03.860 They all literally made a killing, right?

02:08:05.980 And at the time, Israel was saying, that's our number one enemy.

02:08:09.480 You have to attack Iraq.

02:08:11.020 Yeah.

02:08:11.120 So it's the whole puzzle.

02:08:12.460 It's not just one thing.

02:08:13.940 It's...

02:08:14.160 And there's another piece to it, which is there's no power like the power to end human life.

02:08:18.020 There's a thrill that people derive in being able to extinguish another person's life because it's a godlike power.

02:08:25.580 You know, and I've certainly seen it a lot, you know, and people just like, not because they're evil or because they hate, but they're just like, oh my gosh, I'm so powerful.

02:08:34.500 It's unbelievable.

02:08:35.460 I can literally kill someone and it's allowed.

02:08:39.340 Boy, that is addictive.

02:08:42.460 And the more you do it, the more you like it.

02:08:44.840 Yeah, I'm worried about it.

02:08:45.860 And so, look, back to hope.

02:08:48.120 So back then, the media was terrible.

02:08:50.980 And 69% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had personally attacked us on 9-11.

02:08:57.700 Man.

02:08:57.980 Now, if I thought Saddam attacked us on 9-11...

02:08:59.780 Thanks, Steve Hayes.

02:09:00.580 Yeah.

02:09:00.880 Yeah.

02:09:01.460 If I thought that, I would be for attacking Iraq.

02:09:04.560 I mean, attacking us on 9-11 was terrible, right?

02:09:07.380 We need to make sure that that never happens again.

02:09:10.380 There needs to be consequences.

02:09:11.720 Is that true?

02:09:12.280 69% of Americans thought that?

02:09:13.960 Yes.

02:09:14.280 That's crazy.

02:09:15.240 At the time of the invasion, 7 out of 10.

02:09:17.400 Why?

02:09:18.220 Because mainstream media systematically lied to them.

02:09:22.120 They implicitly lied.

02:09:24.000 They would have Dick Cheney come on and say, Iraq is from the same general region as Al-Qaeda.

02:09:30.340 Now, wait a minute.

02:09:30.960 If you were a journalist, you would say, but sir, Iraq is opposed to Al-Qaeda.

02:09:35.880 They execute Al-Qaeda on the spot, right?

02:09:39.220 But they didn't say that.

02:09:40.740 Meet the Press, Tim Russer, didn't say it when Dick Cheney said that.

02:09:44.800 No.

02:09:45.160 I interviewed Cheney during that period, too.

02:09:47.060 I'm embarrassed to say.

02:09:47.960 He probably said it to me.

02:09:48.740 I don't even remember, but that's so bad.

02:09:51.080 The two main things they kept saying, Tucker, and Young Turks was so old, we were on the air at the time, online.

02:09:56.340 In that case, the radio, okay?

02:09:59.200 And so we were only two shows against the Iraq war, Young Turks and Democracy Now, okay?

02:10:03.780 And so we're, that we're national.

02:10:05.800 And we're going, no, they didn't attack us.

02:10:08.840 And everybody in the media is like, shut up, shut up.

02:10:11.900 Unpatriotic, yeah.

02:10:12.960 Unpatriotic, support the troops.

02:10:14.220 I'm like, yeah, I support the troops.

02:10:15.500 I don't want them to die for no reason when they didn't attack us.

02:10:19.180 And the second thing was weapons of mass destruction.

02:10:21.200 And where do we get the fake intelligence on weapons of mass destruction?

02:10:25.920 Israel.

02:10:26.660 Yep, as laundered through the New York Times.

02:10:28.560 As laundered through the New York Times.

02:10:30.540 So now, wait, where's the hope?

02:10:32.380 Now look at the media.

02:10:33.780 Now CNN and MSNBC, we just had a conversation 10 minutes ago about how they're becoming irrelevant.

02:10:38.360 Yeah, who cares?

02:10:39.060 Right?

02:10:39.480 They went from the gods of the universe, right, getting to set the narrative, and you want an Iraq war, we're going to give you an Iraq war, right?

02:10:47.600 You want subsidies, we're giving you subsidies.

02:10:49.880 You want to end negotiating prices, we're going to end negotiation of prices.

02:10:54.220 And we're not going to say any, no one's allowed to say that's anti-capitalist, anti-free market.

02:10:58.080 No one's allowed to say anything outside of these tight rules.

02:11:00.960 How do you know that?

02:11:01.760 Well, I said things outside of those tight rules, and they said, you got to go, right?

02:11:05.920 And they do that, they did it to Dylan Rattigan, they did it to you, they do it to everyone.

02:11:09.540 But now, the podcasts have swarmed them.

02:11:12.660 Yeah.

02:11:12.880 Now we're larger than them.

02:11:14.600 So now that we're larger than them, the dynamic has changed.

02:11:17.760 So, the left and the right didn't abandon Israel for good cause, excellent cause.

02:11:23.840 They didn't abandon them for no reason.

02:11:25.800 They abandoned them because mainstream media does not dominate anymore.

02:11:29.340 If there were no online media, nobody would have heard about any of the terrible things they did.

02:11:35.580 None of it.

02:11:36.280 None of it.

02:11:36.580 So, here, I'll give you one fact that's startling.

02:11:38.400 You know, we can talk about the incredible amount of deaths and the children who died, and they killed more journalists than the rest of the conflicts in the world combined.

02:11:46.540 Hundreds of journalists.

02:11:47.800 Over 250 journalists, okay?

02:11:50.000 Some of them assassinated, including an American journalist.

02:11:53.380 Oh, I know.

02:11:53.720 This was pre-October 7th.

02:11:56.900 Bashreen Abu Akhle is an American journalist.

02:11:59.940 Oh, shot with scoped rifles at a distance wearing a press.

02:12:03.040 I don't even like journalists that much, but that's like, that's such an atrocity.

02:12:06.980 I can't believe it happened.

02:12:08.140 Yeah.

02:12:09.000 We know, even the New York Times and CNN was like, yeah, that's an assassination.

02:12:12.580 Shot from hundreds of yards away.

02:12:14.420 Sniper, make sure to get him in the neck.

02:12:16.680 Doesn't hit the vest.

02:12:18.600 Doesn't hit the helmet.

02:12:19.600 And kills him.

02:12:20.400 Okay.

02:12:21.320 So, Jamal Khashoggi, when he was killed by the Saudis, that became an enormous story.

02:12:27.900 Good.

02:12:28.340 Good.

02:12:28.560 I don't want anybody chopped up.

02:12:30.480 That's a Washington Post columnist.

02:12:32.180 That was crazy.

02:12:33.080 And they got condemned, and they should.

02:12:35.140 Israel assassinates an American journalist.

02:12:38.140 They're like, oh, who cares?

02:12:39.880 Wait.

02:12:40.680 Did the person get arrested?

02:12:41.820 Who shot her?

02:12:42.620 Who gave the order?

02:12:44.240 Have we asked for extradition of that person?

02:12:46.140 Oh, I know.

02:12:47.060 Nothing.

02:12:47.820 Zero.

02:12:48.180 And supposedly American commentators celebrate Rachel Corey, who was some lefty girl, gets

02:12:53.740 run over by a bulldozer.

02:12:55.220 I don't know that I agree with Rachel Corey on much, but she's an American, I think, from

02:12:58.660 Pennsylvania.

02:12:59.640 Yeah.

02:12:59.920 She's a girl.

02:13:00.900 Yeah.

02:13:01.040 And she gets killed.

02:13:02.400 And Ben Shapiro's like, well, don't stand in front of bulldozers.

02:13:05.060 It's like, I don't know.

02:13:05.880 That's your fellow American.

02:13:07.900 Like, don't you care that a foreign country murdered an American?

02:13:11.360 No.

02:13:12.040 It's her fault.

02:13:12.960 One of the guys who was delivering food got killed.

02:13:16.560 Oh, yeah.

02:13:17.060 Jacob Flickinger, if I'm not mistaken.

02:13:19.800 Again, look up his name.

02:13:21.300 But no consequences.

02:13:23.480 No one arrested.

02:13:24.620 No one goes to jail.

02:13:25.720 But you murdered him.

02:13:27.520 You murdered an American.

02:13:28.840 You murdered nine Americans.

02:13:29.760 Shouldn't there be consequences?

02:13:31.060 But these days now, the ultimate fact I was going to get to is, so how do you tell if

02:13:37.640 a group is a terrorist organization?

02:13:39.360 They target civilians.

02:13:40.840 How do you know they target civilians?

02:13:42.380 Because they have a very high civilian kill ratio.

02:13:45.220 So, for example, Hamas, on October 7th, they killed civilians and military.

02:13:50.460 They killed hundreds of military guys.

02:13:52.380 But they killed more civilians.

02:13:53.800 67% of the people they killed were civilians.

02:13:56.820 So, terrorist group.

02:13:58.380 Clear?

02:13:59.000 Obvious?

02:13:59.300 That's terrorism.

02:14:00.180 That's terrorism.

02:14:01.040 Okay.

02:14:01.740 In Gaza, Israel's civilian kill ratio is 83%.

02:14:06.480 It is worse than Hamas.

02:14:09.120 In fact, it is worse than any terrorist organization in the world.

02:14:14.680 83%.

02:14:15.240 And at scale, tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of people killed, 83% civilians.

02:14:22.280 They say, no, you have to apply that label unevenly and unfairly.

02:14:28.540 You only apply it to our enemies.

02:14:30.880 But if we do worse than them, you are not to ever say it.

02:14:35.400 And that figure, by the way, comes from the Israeli press.

02:14:38.240 The Israeli press is way better than the American press.

02:14:40.440 I've noticed.

02:14:40.940 Yeah, you know why?

02:14:41.820 Because they can't call them anti-Semites.

02:14:43.500 Right.

02:14:43.720 That's totally right.

02:14:44.540 Right.

02:14:45.060 So, they can't end the career of anyone who criticizes Israel because they're all Israelis.

02:14:49.760 Right.

02:14:50.020 But here in America, if you report the same thing, you're going to be called an anti-Semite and they're going to try to get you fired, shut you up, and ruin your life.

02:14:59.680 Yeah.

02:14:59.960 So, that is why.

02:15:01.100 I'm not playing along.

02:15:02.120 Sorry.

02:15:02.300 Exactly.

02:15:03.040 But that's my point about hope.

02:15:05.080 No one on TV has ever said what the Israeli press has reported, that Israel has an 83% civilian kill ratio.

02:15:13.980 IDF is basically a terrorist organization.

02:15:16.320 And they have killed 70 times the number of people Hamas has killed, and they've killed more civilians as a percentage.

02:15:24.800 But we're forced to fund that terrorist organization.

02:15:28.900 But no one on TV will ever tell you that, because if they do, they know that they are risking getting fired.

02:15:36.320 And so, I talked to Ryan Grimm from DropSite News about this just a couple of days ago on our show.

02:15:40.900 We do Young Turks from 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern every day on YouTube.

02:15:44.080 Then at 8 p.m., we're doing a show called Revolution.

02:15:47.260 Okay?

02:15:47.920 Peaceful, nonviolent, political revolution.

02:15:50.580 So, you must take power away from them.

02:15:54.060 If you don't take power away from the lobbies, then you're forever going to be their servants.

02:15:59.020 Of course.

02:15:59.380 Right?

02:15:59.840 Now, you could do that in dumb ways, like violence.

02:16:02.720 But that's not going to work, and it's immoral.

02:16:04.780 Or you could do that through the way that our founding fathers designed, through democracy.

02:16:09.320 Right?

02:16:09.780 Take their power away at the voting booth.

02:16:11.820 Well, primaries are golden.

02:16:14.600 Go do primaries, and that's why mainstream media hates us.

02:16:18.180 But Ryan's on, and I go, hey, Ryan, you guys have done these brilliant stories connecting Epstein to intelligence.

02:16:23.380 There's no question about it.

02:16:24.640 Has anyone followed up for mainstream media, New York Times, et cetera?

02:16:27.900 He's like, no.

02:16:29.240 No, not at all.

02:16:30.220 And he said, look, we're going through a cache of emails that are actually public.

02:16:34.640 They can actually beat us to the scoop.

02:16:36.980 And I tell our competitors, beat us to the scoop, and they won't do it.

02:16:42.520 They won't do it.

02:16:43.320 So, then we got into a conversation, and why won't they do it?

02:16:45.920 He said, look, there's no, I totally agree with him.

02:16:47.840 There's no grand conspiracy.

02:16:49.100 There's no memos written.

02:16:49.980 But every reporter in D.C. knows that if you do a story on Israel, even if it's 100% factual, you're risking your career.

02:16:58.980 You want your kids to get into college, as James Carville said?

02:17:01.180 That's exactly right.

02:17:02.040 Well, you found out.

02:17:02.720 You want your kids to get into high school?

02:17:04.420 No, can't get into high school now.

02:17:06.000 That happened to you.

02:17:07.260 Yeah.

02:17:07.740 I've seen very similar things.

02:17:09.700 And so, yeah, that's intolerable.

02:17:12.360 You know, I have a pretty high tolerance for, you know, a corrupt ruling class.

02:17:17.520 I think every ruling class is corrupt to some extent.

02:17:20.600 But I have zero tolerance for humiliation, unnecessary humiliation, and for cruelty to people's families.

02:17:28.180 Zero tolerance.

02:17:29.020 Just never accept that.

02:17:30.100 And that's what's happening now.

02:17:32.500 And cruelty to the families is really...

02:17:34.600 And you shouldn't be surprised.

02:17:35.680 Look what they're murdering all these kids in Gaza.

02:17:37.640 You think they have different attitudes.

02:17:40.640 Not American attitudes at all.

02:17:42.780 So, the naivete is something we were also taught by mainstream media, right?

02:17:48.440 Oh, what the government says is true.

02:17:50.920 And if you disagree with what the government says, you're a conspiracy theorist.

02:17:56.000 Wait.

02:17:57.200 A, that presupposes that the government never lies.

02:18:01.260 Not just the U.S. government.

02:18:02.640 No government ever lies.

02:18:04.120 Israel never lies.

02:18:05.160 Turkey never lies.

02:18:05.860 Nobody ever lies.

02:18:06.780 Okay.

02:18:07.460 That has not been my experience.

02:18:09.240 No.

02:18:10.060 Okay.

02:18:10.600 Nor mine.

02:18:11.260 Right.

02:18:11.480 Number two, they say, if you say the government is lying, you're a wacko.

02:18:18.480 You're immoral.

02:18:19.440 You're crazy.

02:18:19.880 Yeah.

02:18:20.020 You're immoral.

02:18:21.460 And you should be banned from media.

02:18:23.840 You should be canceled.

02:18:25.340 Right?

02:18:25.640 So, that way, there's no voices to oppose the government inside of media and press and journalists.

02:18:32.480 But as they oppress the population.

02:18:34.160 So, like, you go, I've been to a million monarchies in my life, and some of them are well-run and others are not.

02:18:38.900 But in the well-run ones, you can say, well, there's no freedom.

02:18:40.540 You cannot let it criticize the king.

02:18:42.040 Okay.

02:18:42.200 But, which I'm opposed to.

02:18:44.980 I'm American.

02:18:45.540 I'm a totally different frame.

02:18:46.340 However, if the country's well-run and the people are prosperous and happy and they think that their children will have better lives than they do, at least you could say, well, they're doing a good job for the people here.

02:18:54.800 But if you run a government that systematically oppresses the people so thoroughly that their life expectancy drops, and then you say you're not allowed to say a word about my leadership, that can't stand.

02:19:08.780 Like, that doesn't have a long lifespan.

02:19:11.800 That's too much.

02:19:12.900 Like, nobody can handle that.

02:19:14.640 Right?

02:19:15.020 And that's where we are.

02:19:15.940 Oh, I know.

02:19:16.440 And so that's why now when the podcasters, and it's not just you and me, right, you've got Tim Dillon and Theo Vaughn, and everyone is now speaking up and saying, no, enough.

02:19:27.660 No mas.

02:19:28.220 No mas.

02:19:28.980 And so I noticed the Americans they killed.

02:19:31.080 I noticed the 20,000 kids they killed.

02:19:33.180 I noticed all the civilians they killed.

02:19:35.160 And I noticed the Congress that they bought.

02:19:38.200 And I noticed that the media is in their pockets.

02:19:40.800 You know, the Congress is obvious.

02:19:42.400 They literally get paid to support Israel, let alone whatever, you know, other interesting, you know, material they might have from Epstein or whoever else.

02:19:52.220 Right?

02:19:53.400 And now I see the media.

02:19:56.460 So now I see this is an awesome development, Tucker.

02:19:59.840 Not just saying, hey, I'm done with Israel or I'm done with money in politics.

02:20:04.280 And that's my number one issue.

02:20:06.040 Israel is just a symbol.

02:20:07.720 Money in politics is the cancer.

02:20:10.220 That's why we lost our democracy.

02:20:11.880 That's why we lost control of our government, because they're just working for the people bribing them.

02:20:16.440 It's super obvious.

02:20:17.620 Israel is a symptom.

02:20:18.720 It's not the cause of all this stuff.

02:20:20.160 Exactly.

02:20:21.240 So, but on top, layered on top of all that, the thing that gives me the greatest hope is that people are beginning to see the illusion.

02:20:29.220 Oh, they're getting us to fight one another.

02:20:31.940 Okay.

02:20:32.560 What are the culture wars?

02:20:33.540 What is identity politics?

02:20:34.600 So, as a lot of the left was doing identity politics, we're a lone voice, the Young Turks, very much in favor of Bernie, very, as left as it gets in the biggest show on the left for a long, long time.

02:20:45.160 Right?

02:20:45.820 But we're saying don't do identity politics.

02:20:48.280 Exactly.

02:20:48.460 Okay.

02:20:49.240 Why?

02:20:49.600 Because identity politics splits us apart.

02:20:52.620 Exactly.

02:20:53.340 Okay.

02:20:54.040 So, now you've got to get past that, and people are beginning to get past it.

02:20:58.340 And it creates conflicts that can't be resolved.

02:21:00.380 Like, you and I are mad at each other.

02:21:01.960 Our kids are mad at each other.

02:21:03.040 Our grandkids are mad at each other.

02:21:04.120 Like, these are not fixable problems.

02:21:05.280 If you have tribal conflict, it can endure for centuries or longer.

02:21:11.060 Can I say one thing I think is super important is that you can't allow people to force you to lie, ever.

02:21:19.040 And you will lie, you know, inevitably, and you will say things that are wrong unintentionally.

02:21:25.860 I've done both.

02:21:26.940 But allowing somebody to force you to say something you know is not true destroys you as a person.

02:21:33.080 And I look at, I mean, I could name many people, but Mike Huckabee, I've known for over 30 years, almost 35 years, because I worked in Arkansas at the newspaper.

02:21:40.380 And he's a completely different person.

02:21:42.620 Completely.

02:21:43.140 That's a broken man.

02:21:44.460 And I say that with heartfelt compassion.

02:21:46.740 That's a guy who's allowed other people to steal his integrity and force him to lie, and you become a husk.

02:21:54.320 And no man can live like that.

02:21:56.180 Like, it's a 1984 Winston Smith thing.

02:21:58.560 Like, once you say two plus two equals five, you're broken inside.

02:22:01.100 Like, don't allow people to force you to lie.

02:22:05.020 And just need to say that.

02:22:06.280 Yeah, gaslighting is almost an industrial version of torture.

02:22:11.440 It is.

02:22:12.040 It totally is.

02:22:13.020 It's torturing the mind.

02:22:13.580 It strips your dignity from you.

02:22:14.720 Yeah.

02:22:15.200 So on the left, you got Fetterman and Richie Torres that are like that.

02:22:19.060 On the right, you got Huckabee and Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz.

02:22:22.320 And notice, huh, they told us to fight each other, but they seem to agree an awful lot.

02:22:26.640 Well, and these are not happy people either.

02:22:28.060 They paid a huge cost.

02:22:29.240 Like, so they all think they're getting something out of this and whatever they think they're getting.

02:22:32.960 I can't even imagine.

02:22:33.760 But, or they're afraid of threats or whatever.

02:22:36.720 But in the end, they lose.

02:22:38.520 When you allow other people to treat you like a slave and to repeat their lies, you are destroyed.

02:22:44.040 And you have to live with that for the rest of your life.

02:22:45.700 Don't ever take that deal.

02:22:47.440 Tucker, let me give you one more analogy that clarifies that.

02:22:49.960 Yes.

02:22:50.200 So it's like a movie where they tell you, hey, you know what?

02:22:56.020 Your wife came in with this baby that she found and it's a victim and you guys are going to adopt it.

02:23:03.320 And she's so golden hearted and she brought the kid home and you go, okay, great.

02:23:08.340 Let me see the kid.

02:23:09.100 And a guy walks in and goes, here, first, I got to give you some glasses.

02:23:12.000 Okay.

02:23:12.680 And he gives you glasses and you put them on and you go, oh my God, what a cute kid.

02:23:16.120 I have no idea where this analogy is going, but I love it.

02:23:17.980 Okay.

02:23:18.640 Yeah.

02:23:18.880 I'm totally wrapped up in, okay.

02:23:20.120 Yeah.

02:23:20.600 So, and your wife is nursing the kid and feeding it, et cetera.

02:23:25.600 And then one day you go, I wonder what things look like without the glasses.

02:23:29.700 And the guy who gave you the glasses goes, no, no, no, no, don't take the glasses off.

02:23:32.760 Don't take the glasses off.

02:23:34.240 Now you're like, wait a minute.

02:23:36.580 I really want to take the glasses off.

02:23:38.080 Yeah.

02:23:39.020 And you take the glasses off and you find out the glasses were the illusion.

02:23:43.260 It's not a baby.

02:23:44.320 It's a grown man.

02:23:45.360 Ooh.

02:23:46.120 And he's been inside your house the whole time.

02:23:47.940 Chewing on your wife.

02:23:49.260 Cuddling with your wife.

02:23:50.660 Oh no.

02:23:52.060 Taking your money.

02:23:53.740 He's got like a, almost a half shirt on, big belly, you know, hairy guy.

02:23:58.620 He's sitting on your couch with your wife.

02:24:00.900 Suckling.

02:24:01.680 Suckling.

02:24:02.360 It turns out the glasses were the thing that made you see it wrong.

02:24:06.920 It made it seem like it was an innocent victim, a little baby you were taking care of.

02:24:12.580 Now you find out you got a grown man inside your house.

02:24:14.920 Pawn on your wife and draining your checking account.

02:24:19.040 Now, the question is, who are you most mad at?

02:24:22.620 Okay.

02:24:23.380 I'm the least mad at the guy.

02:24:25.140 First though, the first action I'm going to take, even though I'm the least mad at him,

02:24:29.020 is you got to leave.

02:24:31.120 You got to leave the house right now.

02:24:32.720 Otherwise, something terrible is going to happen.

02:24:33.800 The man child.

02:24:34.600 Yes, the man child.

02:24:35.100 Who's second on your wife.

02:24:35.900 Okay.

02:24:36.140 Yeah, I totally agree with that.

02:24:37.340 Okay.

02:24:38.020 First step is, get the fuck out of my house.

02:24:41.900 Okay.

02:24:43.580 Second guy I'm mad at is the guy who gave me the glasses.

02:24:47.600 Yeah.

02:24:47.860 What the fuck?

02:24:48.720 You made it seem like it was an innocent victim.

02:24:50.700 And I was being a good guy by helping this entity.

02:24:54.480 Okay.

02:24:55.160 And now I find out, no, it was just someone taking advantage of me.

02:24:58.900 Yes.

02:24:59.840 And taking the person who was supposed to be closest to me, that was supposed to have trust

02:25:04.600 with me.

02:25:05.080 Yes.

02:25:05.340 And taking all my money, and you played me for a fool, I fucking hate the guy with the

02:25:12.540 glasses, right?

02:25:13.920 But the person I'm most upset-

02:25:15.800 Is the betrayer.

02:25:16.740 Is the betrayer.

02:25:18.080 The wife in that case.

02:25:19.260 It's an uncomfortable analogy.

02:25:20.480 You could switch it to husband and wife.

02:25:22.220 That's not the point.

02:25:23.360 The point is, yes, if you don't get it by now, whether it's Israel or any really lobby,

02:25:29.480 any donor class, that's the baby.

02:25:31.560 The guy with the glasses is the media saying, oh, no, these poor little oil companies, they

02:25:37.660 need your money.

02:25:39.280 Look at it.

02:25:39.740 It's a victim.

02:25:40.720 Otherwise, they can't drill for oil.

02:25:42.660 These drug companies, they've only made trillions.

02:25:45.260 You can't let them negotiate prices, right?

02:25:48.560 Or it's Israel.

02:25:50.100 Oh, it's an innocent victim of all the nasty Muslims and terrorists around them.

02:25:54.740 And then you look at the map.

02:25:55.920 Wait a minute.

02:25:56.400 Israel has gained all this territory, and they've done it by taking 300 billion from us.

02:26:01.640 But most importantly, the wife is the politicians.

02:26:05.880 Yes.

02:26:06.540 And they're supposed to represent us, and they have betrayed us, okay?

02:26:11.800 And I can't stand it.

02:26:13.800 I can't stand it.

02:26:14.980 It's time for a divorce.

02:26:15.960 It's time for a divorce.

02:26:17.420 So everyone's got to get out of the house.

02:26:19.600 First, the hairy guy.

02:26:20.760 You got to go, okay?

02:26:22.320 Otherwise, we're going to have trouble.

02:26:24.120 Then the guy with the glasses, and then finally the wife.

02:26:27.100 Everybody's got to go.

02:26:28.180 We're going to get a fresh new start.

02:26:29.420 OperationConsequences.com, okay?

02:26:32.740 I can't.

02:26:33.360 I literally could do this interview for 10 hours and never improve on that analogy.

02:26:38.180 So I want to end with that.

02:26:39.280 That was amazing.

02:26:40.240 Oh, that was a wake-up thingy about that in a cold sweat.

02:26:45.140 Thank you.

02:26:46.320 Thank you, Tucker.

02:26:48.980 I appreciate it.

02:26:49.600 We'll be right back.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 30, 2026

Cenk Uygur： Epstein, JFK, 9-11, Israel’s Terrorism and the Consequences of Opposing It

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