The Tucker Carlson Show - Giants, Pyramids, the CIA’s Psychic Spies and The Ancient Civilizations More Advanced Than Ours

00:00:00.000 AJ thank you for doing this thanks for happening um you've become huge for a good reason you want

00:00:09.880 to hear my macro explanation for your success oh I can't honesty is always the first you know

00:00:14.260 that's always an honesty good bs filter but you expose the deepest truth of all I think

00:00:22.380 which is there's a lot of stuff we don't know and we pretend to know

00:00:25.620 we like things are not especially the past is not settled like at all and there's just a lot that

00:00:31.760 we don't understand and I don't understand why we won't admit we don't understand it whole parts

00:00:37.800 of science archaeology especially but many others medicine just won't admit that we don't know what

00:00:43.180 is that I think people don't like to admit when they're wrong would be my guess um I certainly

00:00:49.300 don't I try to because I'm wrong a lot I am too um but we admit it and I there's something about

00:00:57.500 the scientific community that the so-called mainstream that just doesn't want to be wrong

00:01:01.540 yes maybe there's a financial aspect to it grants and so forth maybe there's ego involved but I think

00:01:09.960 it's nothing more than that it's just it's just a human frailty it turns you into a liar though

00:01:15.840 it does you have to like make the decision is my pride more important or the truth more important

00:01:21.540 and you have to choose truth and I don't think that's common and if you're if you need a grant

00:01:28.620 from the government yeah you need to put in that grant application what's going to get you paid what's

00:01:34.540 going to keep your research going even if it's not exactly what you believe or the even what the

00:01:39.100 evidence shows yes what I don't understand is the extreme hostility against alternate archaeology

00:01:46.540 yeah I of course I agree and I'm I'm hostile to the hostility but I but I like you I don't actually

00:01:56.040 understand what is that why would that be why is it the default position of the media that anyone who

00:02:00.920 asks questions about obvious mysteries is maligned like what is that I don't know I think

00:02:07.680 we should as a species be interested in in pursuing things we don't know yes and be open to any

00:02:15.480 theory any theory of course um I mean Isaac Newton was wrong about so many things but he was right for

00:02:23.240 a good a good amount of while exactly he was wrong about the philosopher's stone but he got some stuff

00:02:27.740 right but um when someone like Graham Hancock whose work I admire I don't agree with all of it but I

00:02:32.900 admire his tenacity oh yeah and persistence to call him a racist it was like you're calling him a

00:02:39.500 racist now that was when ancient apocalypse season one came out he became I forget it was in a UK paper

00:02:47.420 it was the most dangerous show on television because he was promoting um white supremacy because

00:02:54.700 these ancient civilizations had to be white which he never says he's married to a woman of color um he

00:03:01.820 never says any of that but that became the narrative that he's a racist and then they tried to get that

00:03:06.960 show pulled what yes oh gosh I didn't I interviewed him once I I thought it was most interesting thing

00:03:14.360 I've ever heard and huh that's amazing but why would why would you do that why would you make up a slur

00:03:22.420 like that to destroy someone who's studying the you know some events that happened presumably thousands of

00:03:29.700 years ago the past who's an archaeologist what why is he a threat to you I'm not really sure um that's

00:03:37.120 sinister though if you think about it it is someone like Zahi Was is certainly infamous in Egyptology

00:03:42.860 and there was there was one there was one time I don't remember when it happened where Graham was

00:03:49.620 going to debate Zahi about about their theories Zahi refused he walked out and said I don't even want to

00:03:56.580 hear what you have to say okay so for people who don't and I don't want to confuse anyone watching

00:04:02.280 um so let's just start the beginning we're talking about Egyptology in the specific case the pyramids

00:04:08.140 the tombs um what do we know about the pyramids what do we actually know rather than what we've been

00:04:13.880 told but like what can we be certain of be certain of I don't think we can be certain of anything

00:04:19.420 like we can't be certain of when they were built some of them we can but the pyramids are strange

00:04:25.480 because it seems like the ones that were built earlier are more perfect than the later pyramids

00:04:33.960 huh which suggests that maybe you know certainly I subscribe to the theory that the Egyptians did not

00:04:40.380 build like the the period like like Khufu they I think they found that um I think they I think they

00:04:48.760 they found that and then tried to replicate it later on couldn't quite get it right why don't we know

00:04:53.480 when they were built well you can't really can't carbon date it but what about the mummies we found

00:04:58.260 inside all the pyramids I've never found a mummy in a pyramid never what no there's we've never found a

00:05:03.940 mummy in a pyramid I thought the mummies were from the pyramids no they're they're not um no mummies been

00:05:09.980 found in a pyramid maybe they were placed in certain structures later on like valley of the kings

00:05:14.920 and so forth but like the great pyramid of Giza that's no mummies been found there there's a there's

00:05:20.580 a giant box in the king's chamber that's said to be a sarcophagus but it's not the right shape or size

00:05:26.820 for a mummy huh so there are no organic objects found in the great pyramid for example that would

00:05:33.120 suggest when it was built no organics no huh but there are strange things about the pyramid like

00:05:41.500 chemical residue at certain and certain openings shafts that suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses

00:05:49.100 that that are really not acceptable to mainstream of the objects that have been found in the pyramids in

00:05:55.000 the tombs are there any that we can't explain any that we can't explain I don't think so um

00:06:01.880 there's a lot of objects that we are not allowed to see still still sure I mean

00:06:09.260 look at the smithsonian I think has a billion artifacts and we're not allowed to see hardly

00:06:15.620 any of those um they kind of just swoop in and just just take those so I don't think there's any

00:06:22.520 unexplainable objects can you petition the smithsonian to sure see artifacts sure you can

00:06:27.840 and but you're not going to be able to do that smithsonian is a weird organization um

00:06:33.420 throughout throughout the history of the organization we have records of them receiving

00:06:39.220 bones of giants and and artifacts that that are kind of hard to explain we have records of them

00:06:45.000 receiving it but then they lose them or they deny ever having them and the smithsonian which is a

00:06:53.000 government institution is exempt from a lot of law like not too long ago a law was passed that

00:07:01.680 if any museums are in possession of tribal like native american artifacts specifically

00:07:09.960 funeral artifacts yeah they're to be returned to the tribes bones yeah well anything anything

00:07:15.560 except the smithsonian they don't have to do that may i ask okay so a couple things but i just i

00:07:21.960 don't want this to slip by so you're referring to the claim um that the nephilim as described in

00:07:28.240 genesis 6 this race of giant people who are hybrid between the spirit world and the human world

00:07:33.180 and they're the reason that god sent the flood this is all described in genesis they were giants they

00:07:38.640 were great men of old i think is the phrase the claim from some people is that was that's actually

00:07:44.440 real and the fossil record proves it's real because giant bones human bones have been found through

00:07:51.040 the years and that some or a lot of them wound up in the smithsonian where their existence was

00:07:55.920 suppressed yes and you're saying there's actually documentary evidence that that may be true yes

00:08:03.080 there's document documentary evidence that the smithsonian has received bones and large coffins

00:08:11.240 from not that long ago we're talking maybe the 50s or 60s and as recently as the 80s people have

00:08:17.440 been trying to get access to this information but it's they're stonewalled or they just don't have

00:08:22.380 it and there was one case where the smithsonian said we yes we did receive the bones but we don't

00:08:27.200 know where they are and well if you received human bones that were larger than any human bones ever

00:08:33.460 described in literature ever other than genesis 6 kind of a big story right yeah yeah and you see that

00:08:41.300 story repeated over and over again especially in america for hundreds of years even native tribes

00:08:48.120 have stories about giants have having wars with giants driving giants across the country to um the

00:08:55.340 famous one is the love lock cave which is in california these are the redheaded giants and red hair has been

00:09:01.420 found in that cave and giant sandals and clothing that is enormous actually yes um on display but it's

00:09:10.100 always an explanation oh it's you know it's uh it's symbolic it's allegory or whatever it is

00:09:14.980 but that's not what the native people say they say that this was a cannibalistic tribe that they

00:09:21.420 cornered in a cave and sealed it and set it set them on fire essentially and if you go to that cave there is

00:09:27.400 residue of the fire um there is one tribal leader who wore strands of red hair in her clothing for years

00:09:35.400 that good look her up she's pretty famous so what and this is pre-columbus's landing

00:09:42.980 that um that incident

00:09:46.840 maybe maybe not it would be hard to hard to say it's just hard to see why redheaded people would

00:09:54.940 be on the north american continent i mean talking about like neanderthal dna yeah i mean why would

00:10:00.480 they be redheaded like none of the people we believe lived on this continent before the europeans

00:10:04.460 arrived were redheaded they were all dark haired true but if it's giants then this is dna that's

00:10:08.880 a little different than ours so maybe that's what they were has this ever been tested by anybody no

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00:13:09.860 so i guess this is the macro question just to circle back to the first exchange why would the u.s

00:13:16.200 government have an interest clearly they do in suppressing this and waving people off

00:13:20.980 well i hate to say i don't know so many times but i i really don't um you know there's a famous story

00:13:31.900 about uh connected to giants about g.e. Kincaid who explored the grand canyon this is the early

00:13:37.460 1900s i think like 1908 1909 and his story ended up in the arizona gazette where he was uh

00:13:45.040 kind of rolling down the colorado river and he finds these steps that go into a hole in the side

00:13:52.780 of the canyon and he goes and he explores it and he's kind of mapping it and inside he finds

00:13:57.800 basically the remains of an ancient city artifacts a giant statue that kind of looks like buddha but

00:14:04.100 but not quite hieroglyphics that kind of look egyptian but not quite and he comes out and he's um

00:14:11.400 putting together an expedition and when it's time to go back and explore he never shows up and that

00:14:18.460 story was in the papers what bothers me about that one it's it's one of the mysteries i that i really

00:14:24.120 wish i knew is that you can find you can find that opening in the grand canyon and it's covered with an

00:14:31.020 iron gate and above that area of the canyon is a no-go zone you cannot go there you can't walk there

00:14:39.440 but some people have some people have and you can see embedded into the top of the cliff there

00:14:47.800 iron hooks and equipment that would be used maybe to repel down the side of the cliff

00:14:53.720 but when you do go there suddenly white planes will appear and you can't fly over the grand canyon

00:15:00.780 but these white unmarked planes can't fly over the grand canyon no and black helicopters will appear

00:15:05.820 and you can't do that over the grand canyon you can you can see this episode on my channel um

00:15:13.120 where i linked to the full video of these people going up there and there are the helicopters and

00:15:18.060 there's the plane and eventually they're park rangers or whatever throw them off the property

00:15:23.980 that bothers me and you think and nobody will tell us why so not i've never heard any of that before

00:15:32.500 but um as a general matter there's very clearly a coordinated long-standing effort by the u.s

00:15:39.480 government specifically u.s government to bat away speculation about the past yes and to shut down

00:15:49.920 any thinking about whether or not the things we're looking at could be supernatural in any way

00:15:54.360 they're all natural phenomena that's that's what we know but anything that suggests like supernatural

00:15:59.800 is just ruthlessly put down i wouldn't see giants as supernatural that's that's that's that's a that's a

00:16:07.960 that's a creature that's a mammal that's right so i don't know why that is so dangerous i don't i

00:16:14.720 don't either i mean but that's kind of the question like you see the truth in the reaction i guess is

00:16:19.180 what i'm saying like why why would you why do you care right for how long you know how long were the

00:16:24.160 clovis people were the first people in america and that was if you said that anyone was here before

00:16:29.480 them you were ridiculed but we keep finding artifacts that are older and older and thousands of years

00:16:34.180 older and of course nobody from the pacific could have made it to the americas that long ago but

00:16:41.180 that's been proven that tribes in east ecuador on the atlantic side have dna from polynesian people

00:16:48.220 that goes back thousands of years so there has been contact of civilizations going back as far as we

00:16:55.920 can remember clearly and we know that from sacred art ancient art on you know five different continents

00:17:02.840 we see the same images the bird man the purse yes so i mean i think you've done work on this and

00:17:08.900 it's like what is the explanation for that how could people living on separate continents before

00:17:14.340 transatlantic communication come up with precisely the same images clearly they're responding to

00:17:20.800 something that they're all seeing yes they must be communicating so what what is that the bird man

00:17:27.060 for example this image which is throughout latin and north america also europe also africa also the

00:17:33.800 near east also the far east it's a sacred image carved on walls on pottery of a bird-faced man with wings

00:17:41.880 what is that how they all think of the easter island easter island is yeah is also very very strange

00:17:48.900 um the bird man i think boy i can get really woo-woo with this it could be a metaphor for a sky god

00:17:57.340 it could be or an angel or or an angel looks a lot like the angels described in the old testament

00:18:02.320 just saying it does and um there are plenty of passages in both old and new testament and even in

00:18:10.000 in apocryphal works like book of enoch were describing angels but describing them in a way

00:18:16.960 that sound kind of like the bird man or sound almost like an alien entity um i think it was maybe the

00:18:24.560 book of daniel describes a man who's he's glowing with topaz and um i think elijah was taken up

00:18:32.580 to heaven um no one's allowed to mortally go to heaven but he was taken and shown

00:18:37.500 and ezekiel talks all about visions of this futuristic city that he thought was going to be a

00:18:45.280 new temple of solomon but it sounds like a city and in uh that's after he describes ufos as wheels in

00:18:52.460 the sky and all that those are the wheel but that shows up over and over again and enoch is also taken

00:18:57.860 up by uriel and shown how the winds are made and he describes the heavens in in ways that we were not

00:19:04.440 supposed to know at that time so there's some there's something to it um all religions have these

00:19:11.760 if the vedic texts have very similar stories to these where um arjuna goes up and sees the heavens and

00:19:18.840 sees these flying vehicles that were called vamana that vamana are described in such detail that

00:19:24.920 they describe the technology of how they worked with rotating mercury and and and engineering

00:19:30.400 specifications in texts that are the thousand bc same with buddhist hindu it's all all very similar

00:19:38.940 stories coming back to the pyramids yes um so we don't know when they were built we because how could

00:19:47.420 we know but the egyptian government and the archaeological community is totally vested in telling us they know

00:19:53.580 exactly when these were built but in point of fact we don't know and can't know no mummies have been

00:19:58.460 found in the pyramids i didn't know that till you told me but critically from my perspective it's like

00:20:02.980 how were they built do we know we don't really know uh the the conventional story is ramps and pulleys

00:20:10.140 right but i you know i think it's been mathematically shown that the the amount of ramps and pulleys and

00:20:19.140 equipment that you would need to build the pyramids would exceed the weight of the pyramids

00:20:22.540 themselves i mean how long does the ramp have to be to go up i mean it just doesn't make any sense

00:20:28.780 um no one can really explain it and the precision of of how these stones were cut we can only barely

00:20:37.540 match it now and this is this is supposed to be bronze bronze age yes done with bronze soft metal

00:20:44.560 soft metal cutting the hardest granite in the world um it defies explanation but that's the

00:20:53.780 explanation and why why is the pyramid made of all these different materials why not just make it

00:20:58.360 out of out of the whatever sandstone you have lying around why why bring in tour limestone why use rose

00:21:04.760 granite in certain places i didn't know that well rose granite is is very special because

00:21:11.560 it's highly piezoelectric meaning if you apply pressure to it it creates voltage so that's one

00:21:18.440 of the theories about the pyramid is the the grand gallery leading up to the king's chamber is lined with

00:21:23.580 rose granite you don't see it anywhere else in the pyramid so that's highly conductive um the exterior

00:21:29.540 of the pyramid was covered in tour limestone which is an insulator so you you have the structure that's

00:21:36.220 almost designed like an electricity generator and then you have the queen's chamber and some other

00:21:42.920 shafts where there's chemical residue that when combined create an enormous amount of hydrogen gas

00:21:49.160 that then flows up through the grand gallery um expands creates electricity with this rose granite

00:21:56.800 which ionizes the air and then at the time there were these slats 24 slats of wood that would create

00:22:05.360 sound and which would amplify and what's strange is leading from the grand gallery into the king's

00:22:11.920 chamber is a is a small hole i forget what it was maybe it's six three by six it just happens to be

00:22:18.720 the right size to be a wave guide for hydrogen atoms so those flow then into the king's chamber

00:22:24.300 and this resonates at a frequency i think it's 440 hertz but it's like an f sharp and then and then

00:22:32.020 above the king's chamber is a stone called a relieving stone and this is said to help relieve

00:22:39.040 the pressure coming from the top of the pyramid the thing is it doesn't connect to anything it's

00:22:44.360 perfectly flat on the bottom but it's chipped on the top almost as if someone was tuning chipping away

00:22:51.120 almost like a tuning fork to get the right frequency now i'm not saying that's what it is i'm saying there's

00:22:56.480 a lot of science there that makes you wonder why did why go through all this trouble for a tomb and

00:23:02.460 there's no writing in there there's no writing in the great no there's no there's no there's no

00:23:07.320 writing in there um there was some writing found in expedition i think it was in the 80s where a robot

00:23:15.460 was sent in they found a door with copper handles which are not supposed to be there the other side of

00:23:22.120 the door were it looked like hieroglyphics but they were not um and that eventually was suppressed and

00:23:28.280 the explanation was well that was like the signature of the masons who built it or something like that

00:23:33.060 well let's have a look at that footage well you can't really get a hold of that what so i there's

00:23:38.920 all these strange things about the pyramid that that we just can't go we can't dig i don't know if

00:23:43.820 you saw my episode on the on the labyrinth at hawara but it's that one really bothers me because

00:23:49.220 that that's an ancient legend that goes back to herodotus and even before talked about this

00:23:54.820 this labyrinth in hawara it's about 50 miles from cairo that this labyrinth was was enormous

00:24:02.100 a thousand three thousand rooms and um and the priest said this was built by the ancients the ancient

00:24:08.480 kings oh you mean the pharaohs and they said no no the ones the ones before from zeptepi which was the

00:24:14.100 first time well the the labyrinth was talked about the herodotus by by pliny by by strabo by all these

00:24:21.900 famous historians it's there it's there it's there it's bustling and eventually just sort of disappears

00:24:27.540 from history and becomes a legend well it gets rediscovered at thin the early yeah like late 19th

00:24:34.700 century and during the colonial period yes but we're not allowed to dig or go down there but

00:24:43.300 recent technology like ground penetrating radar lidar from space shows that there's stuff down there

00:24:49.460 um the explorer found it thought he found the foundation of the labyrinth was very excited about

00:24:56.640 it it turned out what he found was the roof so the lidar is showing these giant spaces underneath

00:25:03.240 the ground that are feet thick of heavy granite with all these spaces in between and in the center

00:25:10.880 of this giant atrium is a 150 foot metallic ring that nobody can explain and boy i'd like to i'd like

00:25:22.120 permission to dig or see what's down there and the tragedy is the water table is eroding all of that

00:25:27.820 away and geologists are saying look we have to do we have to preserve this because this is going to be

00:25:32.880 gone in 100 years 200 years we can't stop that the answer is no can't dig we're not going to prevent

00:25:40.680 the water from eroding it leave it be the incuriosity about the monuments ancient monuments in egypt is

00:25:48.360 pretty shocking i mean it was only when the french showed up briefly that we got the rosetta stone and

00:25:53.720 figured out what hieroglyphics were and it was only under the british that any of this was excavated

00:25:57.520 howard carter was british who found king tut's tomb it's like and then the brits leave after the

00:26:03.660 second world war and it's like not really a huge effort to find out anything else like what is that

00:26:08.060 i is it egyptian national pride i think i i don't know these things are more important than any

00:26:15.260 nation of course so i i i don't know but do you think the egyptian government which is the second

00:26:21.680 largest recipient of usa maybe that's related in some way has actively covered up information about

00:26:28.080 its monuments yes i mean we have evidence of it um tell me uh there's i think i think it was called

00:26:34.760 the tomb of the birds was discovered not too long ago i forgot the scientist i wish i remembered his

00:26:38.960 name but i recently did an episode on him i just discovered this this ancient tomb this these caverns

00:26:45.580 in egypt he and there i mean it's it's sprawling and it's clearly man-made and there's there's

00:26:52.040 artifacts and there's there's writings all these kinds of things and he does the right thing and

00:26:56.420 reports it to the authorities well he's banned from the country and uh what yeah it's thrown out he's

00:27:02.540 banned from the country can no longer do any research and zai was says oh he always knew that was

00:27:07.440 there and um who who did you serve to zai was once again um he was in he was the

00:27:15.560 his title was something like this the supreme leader of the the council of egyptian antiquities

00:27:21.520 some crazy title and he's he's still running interference he's supposedly retired but still

00:27:26.740 runs interference and there's video of him rappelling down into the caves kind of exploring

00:27:31.820 them saying look at what i've discovered so what do you think the motive is there oh some of that is

00:27:38.180 ego um yeah i don't know the the deeper political motives i really don't know whether it's egypt or

00:27:43.840 our government i i don't know but i but it bothers me so what do you think um since we don't know

00:27:51.220 anything like the basic questions if this were we were writing a police report we'd have to leave

00:27:55.480 every line blank because we just don't know when was it built who built it how did they build it

00:28:00.340 unknown unknown unknown so since you know a great deal about this topic hypothesize for a minute what do

00:28:07.700 you think this is i think the clearest evidence comes from um maybe robert shock's work and john

00:28:14.760 anthony west and certainly randall carlson at the erosion patterns at the base of the sphinx you've

00:28:19.720 heard about yes yes which clearly shows water and a lot of it a lot of water moving at high speed for

00:28:26.920 a long time which would indicate a great flood and i think all these stories kind of go back to

00:28:35.200 the one the story which is the story of the great flood that probably connects to the end of the

00:28:42.300 younger dryas whether that's the greenland impact theory or a solar event or whatever it is

00:28:47.760 something happened that caused worldwide floods and eroded that sphinx which means it was there

00:28:57.520 13 500 years ago or older these would be the floods that the old testament says were sent to eliminate

00:29:05.520 the nephilim correct um or there's another story of utnapishtim i don't know if you know him from he's

00:29:11.620 from gilgamesh and his story goes like this um one of the gods enki who's uh you may know as an

00:29:19.440 anunnaki god enki tells him to pishnam a flood is coming to reset mankind i want you to build a boat

00:29:26.260 here are the specifications take your family on the boat take the animals on the boat the floods come

00:29:32.100 he's saved he releases a dove and a raven he finds land he lands on a mountain he offers a sacrifice

00:29:39.380 and he's granted immortality with god and that story sounds awfully familiar it does indeed

00:29:45.920 and tell me again where is this story that's in gilgamesh oh that's in gilgamesh how did i miss

00:29:54.280 that it's because it's a small part of it you know gilgamesh it's gilgamesh is a heroic epic yeah

00:29:59.140 yeah this is you know a side story but it's interesting that it's it's telling the story of

00:30:03.540 noah it right down to the dove and the raven that's wild the only thing different is i think

00:30:09.220 they're reversed and i think um a dove comes back with the olive branch or something in noah is there

00:30:13.700 physical evidence around the world of of a great flood yes all over the place um uh carlson's work

00:30:21.380 is fascinating about the erosion patterns all across africa that show the if you look at it from high in

00:30:31.240 the sky it looks like these kind of just waves across the landscape but these waves are 30 feet high

00:30:37.520 so these are this is three-story buildings indicating an immense amount of water millions

00:30:43.100 and millions of gallons of water per second just rushing across the landscape and we see that across

00:30:49.060 across africa a desert what about in the continental united states

00:30:54.980 not as much i you know i could be wrong about that because because the ice sheets would have come from

00:31:02.420 the north american continent so how they get to africa i'm not exactly sure um but we certainly

00:31:09.060 have evidence of of the glaciers moving and and retreating very quickly in the united states i mean

00:31:14.360 that's how long island was made other parts of course i mean the whole country was was sculpted by

00:31:20.340 them not that long ago yes maine was covered in 11 000 years ago right it's like yesterday right

00:31:25.280 the pyramids were there they were there yeah i mean gobekli tepe is another thing that we can't

00:31:30.840 explicit gobekli tepe is pre-flood this is a pre-diluvian structure i'm not supposed to have

00:31:36.480 where is it in turkey that's that's where all the good stuff is in in turkey um tell us what that is

00:31:44.060 gobekli tepe is an ancient site it's about 13 000 years old could be wrong on the date but i'm pretty

00:31:50.540 close and um it's it's pillars arranged in that align with astrological formations that align with

00:31:59.420 the seasons they're carved with intricate designs animals writing all kinds of stuff and we're not

00:32:06.240 supposed to have we're supposed to be hunter gatherers with you know with spears and buffalo

00:32:10.360 at this point not building these immense structures and what's really strange about

00:32:14.540 gobekli tepe that's not hunter gatherer behavior no it is not that's very sophisticated behavior

00:32:19.300 it appears that it was buried intentionally i can't explain why but maybe it was someone knew

00:32:27.720 something was coming and we need to protect this site but that's very strange that's not even the

00:32:32.160 oldest structure we found karantepe is even older than gobekli so how well 2026 is likely to be the

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00:35:13.100 you just have to admit to yourself is the descriptions of the societies that created these are just completely

00:35:19.160 false like this is not hunter gatherer primitive agrarian whatever they're telling you people had

00:35:26.460 for civilizations 13,000 years ago it's just not true because if you're if you're cutting stone with

00:35:31.060 that level of precision barely achievable now we don't understand your technology very well right

00:35:38.160 certainly not because you look at stonehenge which came thousands of years later it's an amazing place

00:35:43.240 but it's stones in a circle yeah now they they're aligned perfectly and all of that it's it's it's

00:35:49.980 certainly a wonder of the world but if you look at stonehenge compared to gobekli tepi it's stonehenge

00:35:55.380 looks it's almost like kids made this with click with clay gobekli tepi is a work of art

00:36:00.840 it's unbelievable petra in jordan yes you know it's miles down a wadi down a box canyon and

00:36:09.860 totally inhospitable you get to the end of the box canyon and there's this like most evolved

00:36:15.640 intricate series of buildings carved into the cliff sides like there's no there's not a stone

00:36:21.000 mason on planet earth right now who could do that that's right period it's like what's that who did that

00:36:26.840 and they're like oh well you know our ancestors did it how'd they do that oh i i was sandpaper or

00:36:32.560 something slaves i no that's not true no that's not that's not how it happened so as you push forward

00:36:41.360 a little bit on this stuff you get to the question of technology like what was the technology that built

00:36:46.500 all this stuff it wasn't bronze hands tool hand tools no um they will say that it was they poured

00:36:55.860 water or sand over the stone and use some type of mechanism to grind it away they did it with

00:37:02.360 abrasives with abrasives but there's there's no evidence of that these these stones are polished

00:37:07.960 they're immaculate some of the stones inside the structures are polished so well that they're like

00:37:14.840 mirrors so abrasives can't do that i mean i've seen them and i i it just i but i was lulled to sleep

00:37:23.620 by the lies that like you know it's just incredible it's like how many man hours would that take right

00:37:28.800 about a billion right like this didn't happen that way so do we have is there any hint as to what the

00:37:34.700 technology was that these civilizations only only legends there are legends of acoustic levitation

00:37:42.460 um that are found in a lot of different cultures what's acoustic levitation specifically buddhist

00:37:48.260 um there's there's even a british scientist who's allegedly filmed this where buddhists would

00:37:54.900 sing and play instruments at a certain frequency that would cause objects to levitate and that's part

00:38:02.800 of the legend of how these megaliths were built was some type of sound waves allowed them to lift

00:38:10.040 these objects and place them perfectly into place what's a megalith a giant stone giant stone so there are

00:38:17.100 giant stones around the world they're so large again there's no modern stone cutting that produces

00:38:25.460 stones that big there is not there's nothing you can go to the new york public library or whatever

00:38:29.540 granite building you think is impressive and it's nothing compared to these stones right and you can

00:38:34.240 you can pick at the mortar between those bricks and they're kind of it's kind of slipshod compared to

00:38:39.020 the things that were you know made thousands of years ago so i'm just saying the same thing over and

00:38:44.780 how could you not look at that and ask questions i you know why is atlantis such a taboo subject with

00:38:51.060 science it's because i think it goes back to the same thing we're talking about so what what is

00:38:56.620 atlantis what do we know about i mean atlantis is like a byword for conspiracy theory but like what

00:39:00.800 actually is it um we first learned about atlantis from plato who uh talked about in his dialogues

00:39:07.220 was he a conspiracy theorist do you think yes i think so i think so people call him a whack job

00:39:11.500 um and plato described in the in the dialogues for plato dialogues just he plays characters

00:39:19.140 is what i call that so in i think it's critaeus he talks about hearing the story from solon who was

00:39:28.100 like his great great great uncle who heard a story from an egyptian priest about this ancient land

00:39:33.240 beyond the arms of hercules which people think is probably the rock of gibraltar

00:39:37.540 and it's a large continent larger than india and it's in it's populated by advanced people

00:39:44.900 and there's a cataclysm and it goes underwater and he describes concentric rings and waterways

00:39:51.620 and all this technology if you want to call it that

00:39:55.520 and what's interesting about atlantis i don't know a lot of people don't talk about this

00:40:00.440 is in um in critaeus too which is which is which is plato's telling of it he's writing about atlantis

00:40:07.400 and he stops mid-sentence and that's the end of it there's no more there's no more writing about

00:40:13.020 atlantis so that's that's the earliest story we have of it and there are strange structures around

00:40:20.220 the world that could indicate maybe atlantis um the eye of the sahara is a very interesting

00:40:26.040 structure i don't think that's it um it's also called the reshot structure i don't know if you've

00:40:30.460 seen this it's in no it's in western africa if you look at it it's concentric rings is it underwater

00:40:35.660 no and it's a concentric rings and it looks like it fits the description now someone like randall

00:40:43.240 carson who's a paleohydrologist which i learned was a thing uh says it's not and i tend to believe him

00:40:50.640 because it's it's built more like a dome and uh it's been above water for millions of years so

00:40:56.680 it's probably not it but it's worth looking at but there are places like bimini road which are very

00:41:03.840 hard to explain that's in the bahamas that's it's long it these are right angles that are submerged

00:41:10.780 underwater and there's something that looks like a city buried under cuba that's definitely been there

00:41:16.720 for 20 000 years in the water underwater and the yanaguni monument off of japan we've got these

00:41:23.920 giant amazing thing these are all right angle in shallow water yes it's like an underwater temple

00:41:30.100 off japan and like 12 feet of water you can you can dive it yeah but no but it's if you start talking

00:41:37.540 about these things you're you're you're a kook and that's on video and you can watch it and and

00:41:42.240 the official position to correct me please if i'm wrong but the official position of the japanese

00:41:46.100 government is rock formations yes rock that's it it rock formation it's natural no no no like it's

00:41:53.140 this elaborate non-natural non-random building i'll give you one right angle i'll let you have

00:42:01.460 one right angle i won't let you have two i can't two well there are a lot but there's a lot and this

00:42:07.140 was discovered pretty recently by like fishermen or something this was wow that's just absolutely

00:42:13.060 amazing um okay so here's what we've established we've established that the our view of the of

00:42:21.140 prehistory is completely just wrong because the physical remains of these civilizations prove our

00:42:28.740 theories wrong this couldn't happen we know that world governments not simply ours but others japanese

00:42:34.420 in this case seem to be very committed to stopping questions about this halting curiosity shaming

00:42:41.460 people maybe worse um so is it fair to say that there were civilizations as in some ways as advanced

00:42:51.860 as ours tens of thousands of years ago i can't make that leap i'd like to but i can't make that leap

00:42:57.380 because i feel like there would be evidence of that and um i think this is where graham hancock gets

00:43:03.940 criticized unfairly because he's never said that there's been you know atlanteans with flying ships

00:43:08.660 or anything like that all he said is we may have been more advanced than we've been led to believe

00:43:13.540 and it deserves some more explanation obviously true i mean like it's not a linear progression

00:43:17.940 so like the history that i learned always interested in history is that you had this kind of flowering

00:43:22.100 civilization in the west china's different but in the west centered at athens and then rome

00:43:28.660 and then rome fell in the fifth century and you had this thing called the dark ages where we stopped

00:43:33.940 building aqueducts and steam baths and then it re-emerged during the renaissance but basically it

00:43:40.500 was like a linear progression from the caves to the moonshot you know just like technology building

00:43:46.900 on itself human civilization becoming ever more complex and but it was in a straight line

00:43:53.860 that's just clearly not true no and certainly not in egypt where we have basically nothing and then

00:43:59.060 suddenly we have hieroglyphics and astronomy and all and mathematics everybody knows the pythagorean

00:44:04.820 theorem everybody knows that pythagoras learned that in egypt that's he's he's credited with that

00:44:09.620 but that's egyptian library that's correct yes so um which leads us back to aristotle

00:44:16.500 which is back to plato just to be clear the current occupants of egypt the egyptians are not

00:44:24.180 i don't think related to the ancient egyptians is that fair to say

00:44:28.180 i i think it i think they are they are i think genetically certainly they are okay i don't know why

00:44:34.260 i thought that maybe i'm thinking of greece um okay but civilization can certainly go backward

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00:46:27.780 first the pyramids have been not that explored as noted but crown ground penetrating radar

00:46:36.420 has been applied recently to the great pyramid yes i think from an airplane but maybe that's wrong

00:46:40.740 uh and satellite satellite okay and the headline for like one day was holy smokes massive chambers

00:46:48.900 discovered under great pyramid of giza is what is that is that real i i'm i'm skeptical of it i'm

00:46:57.700 hopeful but i'm skeptical that italian group has not been peer-reviewed as of yet um i think they're

00:47:04.020 seeking it so i don't you know it's kind of one of those clickbait stories where they when you actually

00:47:12.420 see the images it's really just colored colored stripes but then when it lands in the news it's

00:47:17.460 these pillars with with spirals and all this magical stuff that's that's not what i see in in in

00:47:23.940 the data but you know maybe it is there um we know that the the great pyramid has strange properties

00:47:30.340 we know that there's there is space down there on there's space all underneath the plateau we know

00:47:36.900 that we know that for sure um are these natural caverns i no i don't think so um you know there's

00:47:45.700 been there's been legends about the the the chambers under the sphinx that go back a long time

00:47:52.340 and you know if you want to get very woo-woo about it there's been psychics who've explored that someone

00:47:57.380 like edgar casey is a famous psychic who said that's where the hall of records is stored which is

00:48:02.900 interesting because that connects back to the labyrinth as well which is which some people

00:48:09.700 think could be the actual hall of records um but i mean i'll tell you a very strange story about

00:48:17.300 dorothy edie if you have a moment i do have a moment i love strange stories dorothy edie was um

00:48:23.380 she's born early 1900s in in england she's she's a troubled child she's unhappy all the time

00:48:33.060 she's taken to the british museum when she's three or four years old and she they go to the egyptian

00:48:37.700 section she suddenly lights up and she um she runs over to the the mummy of i think it's ramses

00:48:45.060 and she says i know him and they think she's a wacky kid

00:48:51.140 she's still she's still kind of despondent she gets a a book from her dad about ancient egypt and

00:48:56.020 she's going through it and she says she recognizes all these places temple of seti and abados all these things

00:49:02.900 and she starts studying at the british museum and for some reason she takes the hieroglyphics very

00:49:07.780 very quickly and ancient languages very very quickly she claims that she's a reincarnated egyptian

00:49:14.820 priestess that worked in that worked and lived in abados you know thousands during that fourth

00:49:21.540 dynasty something like that she eventually goes over to egypt and she shows up and she's she says i'm

00:49:28.500 a reincarnated egyptian princess of course you are um she's i can prove it they take her to these

00:49:37.460 tombs or underground chambers and they say all right show us around and she says let's go and

00:49:42.100 she says this is where the gardens were this is where the fountain was this is where this was

00:49:46.580 and she she's so good at this that that the egyptian authorities take her on staff

00:49:51.060 with antiquities and she's able to describe in detail all of these ancient places that nobody

00:49:57.780 knows anything about this is a reincarnation story yet she is embedded in the scientific community she

00:50:03.540 is invaluable to egyptian research so much so that at at that time you had you were forced to retire at

00:50:10.180 age 65 and this is a woman by the way working in the 50s and 60s in egypt she's allowed to stay on until

00:50:17.140 she wants to retire because she's invaluable to the research she says that underneath the the sphinx

00:50:24.020 is where we're going to find all sorts of of tombs and and artifacts of nefertiti and all these

00:50:31.220 all these famous people she says they're down there i don't know but her story is very compelling

00:50:36.900 to all right well so i mean this is like one of these speculations you could probably prove if you tried

00:50:42.100 yes but we we lack the technology to dig now or dig but we certainly have ground penetrating radar

00:50:51.620 yes presumably if that was employed by the egyptian authorities you know over time you could get a

00:50:55.940 pretty detailed picture of what's underneath no well like with hawara their labyrinth they didn't see

00:51:03.620 permission to scan it they just did the permission has to come with you but you still have to get your

00:51:08.820 hands in the dirt so we can scan all we want but unless permission is granted to dig we're just not

00:51:14.180 going to know and what would be the the rationale for not allowing people to pursue their curiosity

00:51:19.620 and science and all that like again i don't know with the hawara labyrinth the excuse is if we disrupt

00:51:27.380 the site then there's um there's a canal there it will disrupt the local agriculture which is very

00:51:32.900 important to that region so we can't disrupt the farm the farmers okay that's that's that's the

00:51:39.620 reason the great pyramids why we can't dig i don't know but we shouldn't we should also acknowledge that

00:51:47.300 there is exploration happening that i mean um i think pharaoh tutmus the second was just discovered

00:51:52.500 with a few weeks ago in the valley of the king so people are looking i just i don't think they're

00:51:57.860 looking exactly in the right places there was a disk found in a tomb in egypt maybe a hundred years

00:52:04.740 ago um that looks to be it's made out of basalt it's made of stone uh but it looks it's the most

00:52:12.580 modern thing you've ever seen and i would encourage people to look it up if you're on your phone right

00:52:15.780 now we'll just look up egyptian tomb disk and it looks like an impeller maybe in a motor an electric

00:52:22.420 motor but clearly that was not created by a primitive civilization no it's the most precisely

00:52:30.340 first of all how do you machine basalt okay it's not hand carved obviously look at it

00:52:36.660 what's the explanation for that i i don't think there is one i don't think there is one i would

00:52:40.660 like to know how they carve that basalt would be lava rock igneous rock yeah the hardest rock on earth

00:52:46.180 i i don't oh is it the hardest i'm this well it's not like diamond but you keep copper's not

00:52:51.940 gonna get through that yeah and it's so precise it's perfect it's it's perfect perfect and it you

00:52:59.140 look at it for about 15 seconds you're like no no ancient culture did not make that at least the

00:53:03.700 ancient cultures that have been described to me not just the machining but the the mathematics

00:53:08.020 i mean it's perfect well that's a good point the design huh okay um so do we have any hint of the

00:53:17.060 energy so clearly the missing piece here is energy the these the megaliths including the ones in the

00:53:23.940 united states the massive structures in the american midwest and in florida earth and earthworks

00:53:31.620 these are not built just the math doesn't work on the number of man hours required to build

00:53:36.180 any of this stuff a lot of the temples in latin america anchor watt like clearly it's not just

00:53:43.540 somebody with a bronze knife making this stuff it's not namadala is another one with these that's uh

00:53:49.620 that's polynesia also that these the tons these these they look almost look like lincoln logs but

00:53:56.180 they're 10 20 tons they're they're huge no one knows how they could have been put into place

00:54:01.300 and um they still stand they still stand we don't know when they were built or how long ago

00:54:05.700 but if you look at it from the air you can see they had a sewer system they devised a way to get

00:54:10.500 fresh water through this whole society but nobody knows who built this so why or or why the why could

00:54:17.780 just be we live here we need what's interesting is sewer system fresh water i'm so this is a long time

00:54:25.700 before roman aqueducts yes but there they are so what what the explanation lacks is a is an energy source

00:54:34.180 it's not just biceps and does has anyone put forward a like a reasonable hypothesis

00:54:41.300 on that i did i mean it depends how you define reasonable of course it does plausible i guess

00:54:46.980 is what i would say plausible not nothing that satisfies me the copper doesn't work the abrasives

00:54:53.620 don't work for me acoustic levitation i like but it's that's really hard to prove

00:54:58.980 i'm acoustic levitation is is a thing you can levitate things with sound that's that is proven

00:55:04.820 giant stones we we can't do that but just because we can't doesn't mean someone else could are you sure

00:55:10.740 we can't i guess it's another way of another way of putting it would be are you convinced that the us

00:55:18.900 government is totally transparent about energy no no i think they're totally opaque about energy really

00:55:26.180 time oh yes um i think the us government probably has

00:55:33.060 unlocked zero point or close to zero point energy which would be pulling energy out of the vacuum

00:55:39.620 um we have inventors that have done that over and over and over uh and making energy of apparently

00:55:47.300 nothing well we can start with there was someone there's a man named charles pogue who in the 30s

00:55:52.180 tinkered with his carburetor and was able to get 200 miles a gallon it was proven this it was

00:55:58.900 engineers investigated scientists it's totally proven um it worked it he was going to be a zillionaire

00:56:04.100 whatever he's going to transform society and uh the problem was once the news of his engine got out

00:56:11.540 the oil stocks crashed they just crashed so the oil industry lobbied the us government we have to do

00:56:20.020 something about this and in 1951 the invention secrecy act was passed so now if you patent any

00:56:27.940 device that is more than 20 efficient that's instantly classified that's that is now a state secret it was

00:56:35.620 it's vital to national security you can't talk about it you can't um build it and you can't sell

00:56:42.580 it unless you sell it to the us military you cannot do it um that went on for a while and there was a

00:56:49.620 man named tom ogle and tom is the seven this is the 70s now he accidentally rewires his lawnmower engine to

00:57:00.740 take the exhaust and pump it back into the carburetor and this thing runs on a gallon of gas for

00:57:08.420 78 hours or something like that so he can reconfigure his car was like a 1976 ford galaxy

00:57:13.780 you know like a boat and he's getting 200 miles to the gallon on the thing he's offered a billion

00:57:19.060 dollars from an oil producing country shell oil offers him 25 million dollars for the patent that

00:57:24.580 he considers but they're going to shelve it so he says no um

00:57:31.620 it's considered you know maybe one of the biggest inventions of the century

00:57:35.860 suddenly tom without a history of drug use stumbles out of a bar he's drunk and he's he's

00:57:43.780 killed and that's the end of tom ogle story and that all disappears all that research goes away and

00:57:50.420 this repeats over and over and over again till we get to stanley meyer and you might remember stanley

00:57:56.580 meyer and the water car because this goes this is the 1990s now so now we have a vehicle that doesn't

00:58:03.540 even we're not even talking about fossil fuels and protecting a multi-trillion dollar industry

00:58:07.540 we've got a car that runs on water using um electrolysis which has been around since the 1700s

00:58:13.780 but electrolysis requires a lot of energy and perfect water without impurities but stanley's

00:58:18.260 figured out how to take tap water put it into his car and run his car on water and what it does

00:58:24.660 is splits the water into hydrogen oxygen runs in hydrogen hydrogen is a fuel it works and it works and

00:58:29.940 he drives it all over the place it's all over the news engineers look at it they say this is the

00:58:34.020 invention of the century this changes everything he's offered a billion dollars and millions of

00:58:39.860 dollars and everyone wants his engine and um he's sitting at i think he's sitting at a cracker barrel

00:58:48.340 with his brother and some investors and they raise a glass to toast new investment to go into the future

00:58:54.100 and um they take their toast and stanley suddenly doesn't feel well he runs outside he starts

00:59:02.740 vomiting his brother chases afram says what's going on in his and and stanley says they poisoned me and

00:59:07.700 he dies and in the medical examiner's report it says he died of an aneurysm but if you read the

00:59:13.220 report you can tell the medical examiner didn't really like that because he wrote some other stuff

00:59:17.700 like oh he said he was poisoned but toxicology doesn't really show it but but it says he died of

00:59:22.100 an aneurysm and that technology is now gone the the patent's useless because stanley faked the

00:59:27.780 numbers because he didn't trust the government because he had another invention that most people

00:59:31.940 don't know about before his water car which was this toroid ring a toroid is a donut this donut shaped

00:59:40.660 ring that he invented that created energy out of nothing and levitated but he patented it it got

00:59:48.260 and and he got hit with a secrecy act and they made his life miserable but people started to learn

00:59:55.380 about that and that brings us there there are other inventors in between t tom and t toms and brown

01:00:02.820 towns and brown invents this anti-gravity technology he runs into all kinds of bad luck all these men have

01:00:08.660 their research stolen they're broken into their they're carrying guns they're threatened they're they're

01:00:13.940 disappearing it happens over and over and over again i have an episode on this it's very sad and um

01:00:20.020 we get to floyd sweet floyd sparky sweet who's he's my favorite because his inventions he videotaped all

01:00:27.300 his stuff and you see him in his workshop and sparky he's an engineer this is this he's a garage tinkerer

01:00:34.340 but he's he's an engineer and this was supervised by the military physicists maybe it was a mistake and

01:00:41.860 and you see him running a fan at high rpms and then he's got light bulbs all this energy and it's

01:00:49.860 all running off this little box the size of a deck of cards and he puts in 0.03 milliwatts and he gets

01:00:57.700 out all the watts you want it's a device that no matter what you attach to it it just whatever the

01:01:05.780 need is it will give you the energy this is sparky sweet this actually connects to ufo technology i

01:01:12.180 don't know if we'll go there but it but it does connect so sparky's got this invention he gets some

01:01:17.860 help from military physicist gets a visit late one night two men in suits come talk to him say good

01:01:26.340 night he has a heart attack ambulance comes they they grab sparky the wife is not allowed in the ambulance

01:01:32.740 he dies uh soon after a couple of black vans pull up they take all his stuff all his notes every piece

01:01:41.140 of equipment and it just disappears and that's the last we hear of it about when was this i would say

01:01:46.580 this is late 90s i mean stanley meyer was 1998 so this is recent recently yep sparky may even be more

01:01:55.220 recent than that is there evidence the u.s government is using any of this technology hyper-efficient

01:02:01.220 you know anti-gravity levitation any of this stuff in like military technology i mean you can argue

01:02:07.380 that the go fast video the tic tac some of these could be that i tend to think they are so there

01:02:14.420 was a kind of tantalizing um almost kind of shocking admission the other day from the u.s government that

01:02:21.300 during the maduro snatch operation in caracas on january 3rd that the u.s military used apparently used

01:02:27.700 directed energy weapons i don't know that anyone's ever said out loud i don't know if they said it

01:02:34.900 out loud but it was i mean it was obvious that's what it was that they have been very interested in

01:02:39.620 those since tesla's research so tell us what they are directed energy weapons and with with tesla he

01:02:46.500 had a few different versions about ionizing air and and projecting electricity through the air he had a

01:02:53.140 few different ways of doing it and i don't have the science background to explain specifically what

01:02:56.820 it is but directed energy is just that you take energy like a laser is would be a directed energy

01:03:02.180 but using it as a weapon and tesla was working on that technology but what he wanted to do was create

01:03:08.980 free energy for the world which turned out to be a problem for him and that's another story but

01:03:15.060 when he died um so he died i think was january 7th 1943 the fbi was there they would they were like

01:03:22.900 on top of it um they came way too fast and all his research 60 80 boxes were confiscated

01:03:32.980 by the office of alien property which has nothing to do with extraterrestrials it's about well

01:03:38.980 office of alien property because he's he's not a u.s born so they come and take his research

01:03:44.740 although he was a citizen since i don't know the 1800s he'd been a citizen 50 years so they seized

01:03:50.900 his property and they send it to a right patterson air force base for a scientist named john trump

01:03:56.980 to investigate tesla's research specifically later an mit professor yes and later an uncle of a

01:04:03.540 president and they're specifically looking for d for dews that's the technology they want they

01:04:08.580 finally returned tesla's boxes are you sure it was john trump who received tesla's

01:04:13.860 effects yes that's that's documented um what's actually yes but what's you know for a country

01:04:23.780 of hundreds of millions of people we have these weird coincidences a lot isn't it strange and the

01:04:27.700 same families show up over and over it's probably not the episode to get into the bush family but boy

01:04:33.380 i'd love to one day um won't do an episode on them uh i don't talk about the bushes of the clintons

01:04:38.180 on my show or massad um i think you're a wise man it's so the boxes wild i've talked to trump about

01:04:46.420 his uncle like 20 times he's very proud of his uncle the last point on that yeah 20 boxes are

01:04:51.700 missing and we don't know where they are that that's that's the last point on that we don't know where the

01:04:56.660 boxes are but you're sure it was the same john trump that the president talks about he's a long tenured

01:05:02.420 mit professor i mean he talks about him all the time he brags about him all the time yes and he

01:05:07.700 was connected to military intelligence huh yeah right patterson air force base the home of project

01:05:15.060 blue book ufo research so those 20 boxes of nikolai tesla's research have never surfaced they have not

01:05:25.140 so can you give us i know many books have been written on this and you know famous company was

01:05:30.020 named after tesla of course and all that but can you just give us the cliff notes version of his

01:05:35.300 life you said it didn't end well for him what did you mean um he was very focused on free energy for

01:05:40.660 the world he wanted to usher in sort of a new age for humanity which free energy certainly would do

01:05:46.580 um he was supported by jp morgan it was his financier tesla was not a good businessman his rival

01:05:55.140 edison was he wasn't as talented um but he was good at playing the business game tesla was not

01:06:04.020 so tesla wanted to create free energy it was supported by jp morgan and said i'm close i

01:06:10.180 tesla demonstrated free free energy by he plugged light bulbs into the ground and had them had them

01:06:16.580 working so he demonstrated it and he said to jp morgan i just need a little bit more money and we can

01:06:22.420 we can we can put energy for everyone could you just tap into it and jp morgan said well if energy

01:06:29.300 comes out of the air where do we put the meter you mean free energy new age of mankind jp morgan pulls

01:06:36.420 the funding and funds edison and marconi instead and tesla's this is warden cliff tower on long island

01:06:44.020 where he's doing this research he goes into fault on the mortgage they tear it down he dies in poverty

01:06:49.700 in the new york hotel in 1943 one of the most across from penn station yes it is one of the

01:06:55.940 grimmest now a migrant hotel yes it is that's where he died that's where that's right room 33 27

01:07:02.020 that's a crummy place to die it is but there's a good white castle downstairs yes and i don't think

01:07:07.380 anymore probably not wow um do we have any sense of what concepts he was working on when he died or

01:07:17.860 what might have been in those 20 missing boxes it was the directed energy weapons that i that they

01:07:22.900 really wanted uh there's a there's a good deal of documentation that the military was interested in

01:07:27.700 that but specifics no we don't have that we just we just don't know specifically what were in those

01:07:33.540 boxes his nephew says it was everything to do with energy um and just for interesting john trump the

01:07:42.660 uncle of the current president long-time mit professor is there any evidence that he worked

01:07:48.340 on the oap question none that i could find but if you're at wright patterson in the 40s and 50s

01:07:56.340 that's project blue book so that's that's that's the home base of ufo research so you know whether

01:08:04.260 he's working on it i i can't prove that but he's certainly passing those guys in the hall i mean

01:08:08.660 blue book started when 52 so he's involved he's you know he's there so i keep hearing this phrase remote

01:08:16.260 viewing which i i sort of picture in my head what it is i don't really know what it is i don't know if

01:08:21.700 it's real or not the government's involved what do you know about remote viewing first tell me what

01:08:26.180 you think it is i think remote viewing is i'm like actually being a little bit false i have some

01:08:31.700 sense of what it is it's this it's the ability to see things that are very far from your physical

01:08:40.660 proximity so you like close your eyes and you can all of a sudden look into a room a thousand miles

01:08:45.380 away i know that i think it's true that cia worked to evoke this ability in people um

01:08:52.100 um but i i kind of want to know the state of play is that actually real do we know that it's real we

01:08:57.060 know that it's real um remote viewing started it probably started but you know at the beginning of

01:09:05.140 the human race but remote viewing that we're talking about started 1972 stanford research institute

01:09:11.700 um russell targ and uh help put off physicists scientists were just studying psychic phenomenon

01:09:20.820 just you know where here's a shape on a card you know that scene at the beginning of ghostbusters is

01:09:27.220 it a star is a circle they're doing that sort of thing and um a man walks in his name is ingo swan

01:09:35.060 he's become a very famous psychic and uh at this point targan put off for essentially advertising

01:09:42.180 on campus psychics wanted so he walks in and says i'm the best psychic in the world so they give him

01:09:48.260 a card to read and he says give me something hard to do like well like what send somebody out in the

01:09:55.620 san francisco bay area and i'll tell you what where they are and what they see it's like okay we'll do

01:10:02.900 that so they send somebody out and he just starts to kind of focus and concentrate and he starts to

01:10:09.380 draw so you know i see what i see i see a water fountain but it's but there's no water in it i

01:10:16.100 see these circles on the ground i see a building and turns out he got it all right they described the

01:10:23.540 pattern of the walkway there was a fountain there that was not on that particular day the building was

01:10:28.580 exactly where they said it was then they realized okay we have something something different here

01:10:34.500 than a shape on a card they said well ingo where can you go they said i can go anywhere like anywhere

01:10:43.940 like anywhere in space and time i have a whole episode of ingo remote viewing the moon but let's

01:10:50.660 let's stick with this for now so they test ingo swan um a few times that uri geller was it was another

01:10:59.700 one they tested who was able to see things inside safes and there are a few other psychics pat price

01:11:05.540 is my personal favorite joke mcmonicle is a very famous one but um what got cia's attention was

01:11:12.020 in sr in in at stanford buried deep underground was a magnetometer and this was used to measure

01:11:22.580 perturbations in the earth's crust to detect nuclear explosions so this is an important device

01:11:28.340 it's buried underground shielded by cement super conducting shielding like you can't listen you can't

01:11:35.060 get to it ingo is able to draw what it looks like and he says i could even move that needle i said go

01:11:45.460 for it so he moves the needle now they're excited the experiment works but that needle moving means

01:11:53.460 a nuclear explosion has been off somewhere so the cia government gets involved they want what's going

01:11:59.060 on it's not a nuclear explosion oh we are doing this program and they say you're doing what and

01:12:05.780 they're not really they don't really care that he can move a needle they're worried about he can see

01:12:10.180 inside behind cement and that means there's no more secrets so the cia starts funding this project

01:12:17.940 through various front companies and all intelligence agencies want to get involved with this

01:12:25.540 it comes kind of comes to a peak this is before pat gets involved but it's an interesting story it's

01:12:34.420 called the it's called the sugar grove break-in there's this cia analyst there's a bunch of cia

01:12:41.300 people there cia analyst says um here are coordinates they give to ingo swan nobody knows what the coordinates

01:12:49.620 are the analyst won't tell nobody the handlers won't tell nobody knows here are the coordinates

01:12:54.020 and ingo does his thing and he says i see a guard house there's a there's a radar giant radar dish

01:13:01.460 and there's bill it looks like a military there's accordion roll-up doors there's jeeps it's military

01:13:07.140 it's some type of military installation he draws it the mountains are here the roads here there's the

01:13:11.300 river detailed map says that's what i saw and uh they give to the analyst say here is this it and

01:13:18.820 the guy's like it's not even close i gave you the coordinates of my vacation house in west virginia

01:13:24.820 then they were like oh shit okay so that didn't work but pat price comes along and pat price maybe

01:13:31.940 the most talented psychic ever here remote views the same location sees the same things without

01:13:39.380 knowing anything what ingo saw you look at the maps they're almost identical radar dish guard tower

01:13:45.060 roll up doors but pat is very talented he says i see a building i'm going into the building

01:13:53.140 let me back up for a second pat price retired police officer from burbank always had an intuition

01:13:58.980 to solve crimes where's the body price knows where's the suspect hiding price knows he just thought he had

01:14:04.500 a hunch but he retired and started to develop this skill and heard about this program and got involved

01:14:10.100 so that's pat price so he sees the same things so now that's clearly not a coincidence so this is

01:14:17.060 not a log cabin vacation what's going on there so sri sends someone to the coordinates they they find

01:14:22.900 the vacation they found the log cabin and they're like but there's a dirt road here about 200 feet

01:14:29.940 we'll follow the road and they follow the road down just over the ridge in west virginia and sugar

01:14:33.860 grove and there's the guard house it's a military installation and they can't they can't enter but

01:14:39.780 they could see there's a radar dish the problem was pat price who went into the building he said i

01:14:45.700 see green filing cabinets all right pat what else it says operation pool okay go he said i'm going

01:14:54.660 through the folders cue ball cue stick rack up eight ball all very specific it turns out

01:15:04.900 that caused every law enforcement agency in the country to show up at sri

01:15:09.380 and they wanted to know why this weird cia pet project was spying on the the most secret nsa facility

01:15:18.660 in the world not just secret but so top secret that even the names of the projects which were cue

01:15:26.740 ball rack up all this work top top secret this is a facility to spy on russian satellites nobody knew

01:15:34.740 it was there the cia analysts didn't know it was there so ingo and pat just their consciousness they

01:15:40.980 just assumed well they they don't care about the log cabin we're this is the cia they obviously want

01:15:46.580 us to look at this so from then on every intelligence agency had psychics working all of them none of

01:15:54.980 them admitted to it but they all had psychics working for them and um i know the iran rescue

01:16:01.300 operation in 1980 he had one correct that was joe mcmonicle who found that um this operation i think

01:16:08.660 was leaked by jimmy carter in 96 who was giving a talk at a college and some kid asked him like what's

01:16:14.340 the weirdest thing that ever happened when you were president and he said you know in his in his

01:16:18.420 farm you know farmer voice you know we had this russian bomber go down in africa and we needed to

01:16:24.580 get there before the soviets we didn't know how to do that but we knew we had this group of like

01:16:29.700 psychics i could see stuff and they were helping solve because they were involved with the patty

01:16:33.620 patty hearst's kidnapping they helped they helped find that um but that that's not why they reported but

01:16:38.660 it but it happened um so they had a remote viewer who was really just like a receptionist that they

01:16:46.820 trained to do this because this so this is an ability that we can all do she found where that

01:16:52.180 bomber went down and the american military was able to get there before the russians and retrieve this

01:16:58.980 bomber this is this all documented and and carter just kind of let that slip and that was sort of the

01:17:04.660 end of the public knowing about that was the whole reveal it kind of was it was called project stargate

01:17:10.900 at this time but it was originally project scan eight and grill flame and center lane and some

01:17:16.500 other names like that project stargate is the one that everybody knows um so they test pat price again

01:17:23.780 and they said we you know rather than spying ourselves let's see what he can see on the soviet side

01:17:28.740 and pat draws this he says i see a science fiction crane and he draws it out it's a big gantry crane

01:17:34.900 which is like uh uh i don't know a hundred foot tall crane that sits on a railroad tracks it's a huge

01:17:41.060 thing and he draws it and shows the cia and they can't believe it but it matches aerial photography

01:17:50.180 so he sees it so now they want to know what is this thing he says i don't know what it is but underground are

01:17:56.100 these 50 are these 60 foot metal spheres but they don't work nobody knows what they are it later

01:18:04.900 comes out that they weren't 60 foot spheres they were 58 feet and they were containment for nuclear

01:18:12.020 nuclear material but they didn't work so he saw that that was pat price

01:18:18.260 cia is so impressed with his work that they say you just come and work for us so they pulled him out of

01:18:24.100 sri and he's exclusively working for uh for cia at that point he's doing some of his own remote

01:18:31.140 viewing on kind of on the side some not espionage he's looking around and his most famous one is he

01:18:39.140 remote viewed mount hayes mount hayes in alaska and he sends his consciousness into the mountain and he

01:18:45.300 sees inside the mountain tall thin alien beings working alongside american military

01:18:52.340 he sees it inside the mountain now people have gone up there there's no way in there's no way out

01:18:57.140 i can't prove any of it but this is what he saw so he takes that information he gives it to hal put off

01:19:03.060 hal's no longer with stargate at this point i think it's run by skip atwater could be wrong but i think

01:19:07.380 it was skip gives it to skip and skip passes it along just a couple of days later pat is in las vegas

01:19:16.340 and he's in the hotel lobby front of the elevators heading up to his room someone bumps into him and

01:19:23.540 he feels like a pinch a pinch on his leg goes upstairs calls his wife to say good night she

01:19:31.460 says you don't sound good he says i don't feel well he says say good night and he's found dead the next

01:19:37.300 morning yeah uh 58 years old that's they called it a heart attack but no autopsy is done um someone

01:19:44.900 comes in with credentials they said we'll take it from here pat's body's cremated and then they call

01:19:50.660 his wife and say what happened and pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in north hollywood which you can

01:19:56.900 find if you want to pay your respects if that's where pat is pat price probably the most talented that

01:20:02.340 there was joe mcmonegal is famous he's still around by the way still remote viewing he's the

01:20:08.500 one who found he found a large building like 100 yards from water in the soviet union

01:20:16.580 and didn't know what they were building in there he starts sketching a submarine like all right they're

01:20:20.420 building a sub and he says no this is different it's got like it's like two subs together it's like

01:20:26.900 a twin sub they're like what are you talking about it's a twin hull sub he said it's it's giant he said

01:20:33.460 i've never seen anything this big and they're going to launch it in 120 days that's kind of specific

01:20:40.980 and 118 days later the russian typhoon class sub is launched and it's the largest submarine ever

01:20:47.940 made and it's a twin hull sub and joe saw that now he claims his success rate is like 90 95

01:20:54.420 say he says it's lower than that but he saw that and joe mcmonegal he's he's received the order of

01:21:04.660 merit which i think is the second highest award you can get as a for i think it's the second highest

01:21:11.940 as a civilian from the military and in his in his citations for 200 successful missions 150 of which

01:21:20.100 provided vital intelligence to american operations but it doesn't say anything more than that but

01:21:26.500 that's in his official citation now all this kind of comes out and i think gates was i think gates was

01:21:35.380 dci at this point he goes on tv and says there's nothing to this stargate thing no real intelligence

01:21:41.700 has come from it and we're shutting it down and that was kind of the last that happened with stargate

01:21:49.460 publicly publicly i i think it continues because the soviets were trying to do the same thing at the

01:21:55.380 time and uh and they allegedly got it to work now interestingly enough soviet and american remote

01:22:03.140 viewers they get together and they teach each other and actually practice um what i find fascinating is

01:22:09.140 they could see not just through space but through time so there was one time where joe mcmonegal was

01:22:14.900 given he was given coordinates and he remote viewed it and he said i think about mars i said okay what do

01:22:22.260 you see he says i see these tall slender beings walking around something's going on there's a problem

01:22:28.260 there's there's species is dying and he said i feel i feel like it's a long time ago and he comes out

01:22:35.460 of his trance whatever so the coordinates were mars and it said mars 1 million bc so he saw beings on

01:22:44.180 mars um at the time the the mars was supposed to be this barren planet but mars had was full of was

01:22:53.380 very earth-like oceans but at the time no one said that but joe saw it just like ingo on the moon

01:23:00.980 moon saw alien bases on the moon saw psychic beings on the moon he said they're aware of us

01:23:07.540 and um i think i think those are the things that that make the crew of uh any of the apollo missions

01:23:15.540 when they landed on the moon do they see anything officially no officially no um the story goes that

01:23:23.060 there's a there's a radio blackout when neil and buzz are up there when they first get there and there

01:23:28.820 is a radio blackout and the story is well you know how the orbit works sometimes the radio signal

01:23:35.540 drops whatever the story is they switch over to the medical channel and said they're here they're on

01:23:42.580 the crater and they can see us that's that's what the story is and ingo swan said he saw

01:23:50.580 things on the moon he saw structures he saw beings that are there

01:23:53.780 there if you go through secondary sources every astronaut has seen strange things

01:24:01.220 in space edgar mitchell is on record as saying ufos are real they're extraterrestrial roswell is

01:24:07.220 real that happened we have craft um the government is lying this is the sixth man the walk on the moon

01:24:12.580 this is not a kook this is an american hero so something's clearly going on up there but anyway

01:24:19.380 that's that's the what do you know about the moon exactly not not very much not very much at all we um

01:24:28.900 let me ask you do you think we went to the moon do you think we landed on the moon

01:24:32.820 i have a lot of thoughts on it uh that i never get into i mean i you squirm the way i do and asked i mean

01:24:39.220 i went down this once um because it's my job right and i found it really distressing so i just kind of

01:24:49.620 give up but i did you know i talked you know you never know who's telling you the truth about anything

01:24:54.820 right but uh i talked to people you know i sort of do trust like no it's not but then i thought yeah

01:25:01.380 whatever i don't i don't there are a lot i spent my life looking in into things and trying to figure out

01:25:06.020 what's real and what's not and and i do think in midlife you realize having done this for so many

01:25:10.740 years that like some things you're just you're not going to know right and and i think you can go crazy

01:25:17.140 because i've pushed to the edge of it myself trying to figure out what's right what's true what actually

01:25:22.260 happened what reality is but i think it's unattainable on certain stories this may be one of them i will say

01:25:28.180 we accidentally taped over the original footage because we ran out of betamax yeah and the you

01:25:35.860 know the schematic drawings of the of the spacecraft are like missing and also it's like telemetry data

01:25:41.860 is gone it's like stop they can't replicate the technology right yeah right so that would um

01:25:50.020 i'll say this if it if it was faked yeah of course can't prove that um then it's just one more

01:25:56.820 instance of the us government having to backfill you know a 57 year old lie and it's done that a

01:26:03.620 lot it certainly did it with the murder of john f kennedy and it's just it you know you tell a lie

01:26:09.380 and it just kind of doesn't go away because you have to continually make up new lies in order to cover

01:26:15.060 you know the early the original lie so um you'd hate to think that's that's real that's the struggle

01:26:21.300 with the moon landing question i think because i it wasn't a gotcha question because when i'm asked that

01:26:25.460 all the time and i do the same thing i kind of go uh a i wish you didn't ask me that b i'm not sure

01:26:32.180 i think we did i think something was found up there which is why we didn't go back and for me it all

01:26:39.860 hinges on edgar mitchell because i trust i trust and believe him and if he says he walked on the moon

01:26:45.540 then i believe him but i think something was found up there that that maybe the government didn't want

01:26:50.900 us to find there's clearly lying around it i mean that's what we know that's i just know that from

01:26:54.980 having a lot of children if there's like evasion and certain parts of the story don't make sense

01:26:59.460 then there's lying there now what does that add up to sometimes it's just very minor you know um

01:27:05.460 and sometimes it's not but lying is the tell it's a sign of you know what it is which is deception

01:27:14.820 trying to hide the truth from other people like clearly clearly uh they are lying and that's what

01:27:21.220 makes this so difficult is because we know they lie about all these things we run around in circles

01:27:25.860 yeah and the muddy the waters are muddied and i think that's kind of the whole point of it it may

01:27:30.500 be because simply because i know you're lying does not mean i know what the truth is correct that is true

01:27:35.220 for so many different things some of which i have like very close proximity to where like i know for a

01:27:41.380 fact you're lying like you basically told me you're lying but i can only guess as to why right

01:27:48.420 right that's 100 true last question are do you ever feel driven to like craziness by your job i

01:27:53.780 mean talk about in the middle of it yes um maybe not insanity but i have become maybe certainly more

01:28:02.180 jaded disappointed in my government yeah because i didn't grow up that way i grew up in a very patriotic

01:28:08.020 home yep so everybody's a cop or in the military or both draped and draped in old glory and then and

01:28:16.420 i was like that really my whole life yeah iraq wars i'm behind you you know me too america everything

01:28:24.260 all of it and in my research i've learned that i think just about every war we've fought since

01:28:31.060 the second world war is based on a lie i can't find any that are based on truth and there's an argument

01:28:36.820 that even world war ii was we were kind of america was deceived into getting involved in that um but

01:28:43.140 every other war was based on a lie which and that's that's that's certainly proven uh the gulf war was

01:28:48.020 started by a pr company you remember when naria gave her her testimony in front of congress that they

01:28:53.940 were throwing the babies on the ground in the hospital oh it was very heartbreaking when she was

01:28:57.700 the daughter of the ambassador of kuwait um and lying she had never been to that hospital but

01:29:02.660 i remember that we had boots on the ground yeah killed a lot of people you know not many americans

01:29:08.260 died thank heaven but um yeah i i drove on the highway of death boy i'm not i'm not defending

01:29:14.020 the iraqis i guess we're you know it doesn't matter how many we kill that's our official view but

01:29:18.420 there's only 30 000 it was pretty brutal i mean i saw the aftermath of it is pretty

01:29:22.980 pretty but but 500 americans that's enough for me to get there are 500 killed in the first

01:29:26.980 go for i'm so embarrassed i didn't remember that so jaded disappointed angry um but not bitter

01:29:35.460 not bitter you know i i end my episodes i really never with despair never really with hope it's more

01:29:43.380 about um try to when when you're told things just think closely i try to help people to not what to

01:29:53.940 think but but how to think don't trust everything that you that you that comes out of the media

01:29:58.500 whether you're on the right or the left that really that's all kind of a puppet show it's really about

01:30:02.340 people versus power and anything that powerful tell you don't trust it exactly exactly why i couldn't

01:30:10.420 put that better aj thank you very much thank you for having me wreck my sleep

The Tucker Carlson Show - February 02, 2026

Giants, Pyramids, the CIA’s Psychic Spies and The Ancient Civilizations More Advanced Than Ours

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