The Tucker Carlson Show - Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

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00:00:34.260 Mike Glover, thank you for doing this.

00:00:36.220 Congrats on the book.

00:00:37.240 Thank you.

00:00:37.980 You made a point.

00:00:39.560 Many people talk about preparedness.

00:00:41.800 Some are probably not qualified to talk about it.

00:00:43.500 I think you are.

00:00:45.120 But you've made a point I've not heard anybody else make.

00:00:48.560 And that is that we're clearly witnessing the construction of a much more technologically advanced security and surveillance state in our country.

00:00:56.800 that's clear, but that we need to prepare ourselves in the face of that. And I've never

00:01:03.500 heard anybody say that. And I think it's a really interesting idea. And so I hope you'll explain it

00:01:07.060 in depth, but to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now and what you think it

00:01:13.720 means? Yeah, I think it's, it has a lot to do with the incentives that are driving the entire

00:01:20.560 apparatus the institutions all of them are built off of scale growth all these metrics

00:01:28.820 and most of the institutions that are tethered to people have financial incentives and incentives

00:01:36.360 to grow annually from october to october and what i see happening especially with a lot of the

00:01:42.480 institutions. Yeah, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine like the analogy

00:01:51.220 I use is like the umbilical cord. Everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean,

00:01:57.320 your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure

00:02:01.980 of the city or town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency

00:02:08.220 for anything independently to happen because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan.

00:02:15.940 Well, what if they don't? The idea of firefighters and policemen, they patrol your neighborhoods

00:02:23.460 because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take

00:02:28.580 care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that when seconds count, both of those first

00:02:36.040 responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They're not going to be there

00:02:41.340 in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident,

00:02:46.540 they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. And so the idea for me is I want

00:02:53.020 people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have independence. I have a well, for example.

00:02:59.760 Not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this

00:03:05.640 where you can have independence, protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery

00:03:09.920 store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with cellophane and pink gel. You have

00:03:17.020 no idea where it came from. So I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant.

00:03:24.140 Well, if you have an institution that by design in the name of safety, for example, is

00:03:28.200 surveilling you, they're telling you, and now private companies are telling you

00:03:33.300 through the subcontract.

00:03:35.160 They're telling you

00:03:36.020 that we're going to make you safer.

00:03:37.940 And so you don't need to do anything.

00:03:39.480 And I actually just connected this thought

00:03:41.120 because we were having breakfast

00:03:42.120 and I was talking about it.

00:03:44.180 Like I gave the analogy

00:03:45.680 of like walking to Target, right?

00:03:47.220 I'm walking to a bad guy's house.

00:03:49.320 In some cases,

00:03:50.400 because of the technology integrated,

00:03:52.580 I didn't have to pull security.

00:03:54.640 So I'm holding a rifle,

00:03:56.500 like using my infrared floodlight

00:03:58.820 and laser to go around

00:04:01.160 every single bush and tree

00:04:02.700 because I'm like, there's something behind there.

00:04:04.860 The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars

00:04:07.440 has a FLIR pod that could assess heat.

00:04:11.360 And so there would be the case where it says,

00:04:14.540 hey, there's no need to pull security

00:04:16.420 walking to the objective.

00:04:17.760 We got you.

00:04:18.860 And then a guy is buried underneath foliage

00:04:22.080 or a palm grove.

00:04:23.780 And then he detonates a suicide vest 0.99

00:04:25.600 and kills your whole team 0.99

00:04:26.600 because you weren't paying attention.

00:04:28.820 So that's the analogy that I say

00:04:30.860 about this integration of tech.

00:04:32.100 the more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system and the more

00:04:39.780 your personal safety is actually compromised. So, so I think there are two insights in what

00:04:45.480 you just said that hadn't really occurred to me. One is the nature of the system like cancer to

00:04:51.160 grow. It just, that's, that's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems is growth. That's the

00:04:57.380 center of our kind of business model national business model scale so like flock for example

00:05:05.240 i'm not even aware flock existed until fairly recently what's the growth of flock been like

00:05:10.500 yeah 2017 flock camera because it's camera it's singular it was just a camera for an hoa

00:05:19.460 and a homeowner's association a homeowner's association and the idea was like let's build

00:05:24.660 this camera. Let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we

00:05:31.760 are nine years later in scale, and there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise

00:05:36.920 the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 flat cameras across the United States.

00:05:44.040 So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's 0.65

00:05:50.640 some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it. Nine years later, it's 120,000 with billions

00:05:56.500 of reports every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions,

00:06:03.660 et cetera. Now, if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented, because other companies

00:06:07.800 are getting smart. Like again, if I start a company, the point is to scale, to grow, to

00:06:12.680 compete. So now we have a competing market of flock-like camera systems. So in the case of

00:06:18.920 California. Without the damaged brand name. Without the damaged brand name. I was thinking

00:06:22.940 about this when I was actually coming here because every time I drive through my town of

00:06:27.360 Hebrew City, Utah, there are a couple points in town where if you drive through the intersection,

00:06:33.200 you'll drop cell phone reception. And every time I drop cell phone reception, and I'm no signal

00:06:38.340 intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection and I see a

00:06:43.040 flock camera as soon as my cell phone drops. And I'm like, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's

00:06:47.960 interference. Maybe it's not even real, but I'm noticing more Flock cameras in my area.

00:06:53.980 Well, Flock would only have to change the form factor in the company name. Now, thanks to public

00:07:00.020 outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting, it's not likely to do that clandestinely. It's

00:07:07.420 going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the scale

00:07:12.600 that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas is now, now there are camera systems

00:07:19.520 operating, for example, looking for violations of code. So you imagine you live in a neighborhood

00:07:25.900 code violation. So code violations, like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not

00:07:31.980 supposed to, right? By the way, like if anybody's tracking these, these stories, um, most of the

00:07:38.440 code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas where they don't have an HOA

00:07:45.100 that's managing, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, oh, you have an RV in your

00:07:49.800 parking lot. That's not allowed. The guy's like, yeah, no problem. I'll just move my RV. Most of

00:07:55.220 it's not RVs. It's damaged fences. It's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor

00:07:59.720 neighborhoods. Apparently, they found thousands of code violations in a couple of days actually

00:08:06.220 bragging about it like we found all these code violations and now we can wrangle them in okay

00:08:12.300 it wasn't a problem before but now now you built the infrastructure to to uh to look at it and

00:08:18.940 assess it now it's a big problem you've created a lot more criminals you've created a lot more

00:08:23.280 criminals and so it's the idea like the the idea isn't what's happening now because right now it's

00:08:29.700 like yeah there's problems um in fact i have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen but

00:08:35.540 when you look at scale, Facebook was designed to be a social interactive way for college students

00:08:43.520 to communicate with one another. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child

00:08:49.400 exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at

00:08:55.080 child exploitation. We were looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one

00:09:00.060 Exactly. So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 different reported, there's probably more, situations where flock cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of flock cameras were damaged.

00:09:22.820 Vandalized.

00:09:23.380 Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people were upset.

00:09:28.920 Yeah.

00:09:29.040 How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions, the relationship with people. And when people look at tech, it's a bot. There is no victim.

00:09:49.520 When I take down a flat camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim.

00:09:54.660 I'm doing good.

00:09:55.920 And I'm not advocating for anybody to do this, to break the law.

00:09:59.300 But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion.

00:10:03.040 Because everything that's being integrated before, like Facebook from 2004 to present, scaled.

00:10:11.400 Except we don't need 20 years of scale.

00:10:14.820 When you have AI acceleration, and then the power, I think the benefit and one of the powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe, you see the potential of mass spikes in this graph, whereby you're going to have a lot of rebellion, insurgency, like you've never seen it before, patriotism, like you've never seen it before,

00:10:42.940 fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity.

00:10:49.700 You're getting me really excited, Mike Glover, I have to say.

00:10:54.100 Not that I'm endorsing any.

00:10:56.500 That's a thesis.

00:10:57.420 That's a theory.

00:10:58.380 My hypothesis.

00:10:59.180 This is best case.

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00:12:32.260 Pretty good.

00:12:33.480 I personally think that we're years off.

00:12:36.400 It's happening now, by the way.

00:12:38.180 there's pockets of resistance of people together doing things like hey where are the flock cameras

00:12:45.960 where are all the systems let's surveil the people who are actually doing and they're not

00:12:49.660 hurting people right they're just demonstrating that this is wrong and they're combating it

00:12:56.120 because legislatively there is no solution and that's my biggest fear by the way because i've

00:13:02.420 never been a political guy i can care less about what's going on in the white house because it's

00:13:06.860 not because you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy-wise. You should. You should be

00:13:10.540 informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God, and my community.

00:13:17.880 The fear I have now is for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah, a great state to live

00:13:24.860 in. My favorite state because I live there. I love it. I love the people of Utah. But for the first

00:13:31.440 time I'm seeing people like in Elderbox County or people in Ogden Valley fighting against property

00:13:39.560 tax, fighting against data centers, and the politicians that are appointed, elected in those

00:13:45.660 positions aren't listening for the first time. I was like, well, obviously, for five hours,

00:13:52.180 people protest and say, we don't want this. They're members of the community that were elected

00:13:58.400 by the people in that community,

00:13:59.860 they're not going to follow through with that.

00:14:01.600 That's my biggest fear

00:14:02.680 because I always tell people like,

00:14:04.160 you fight for your faith

00:14:06.380 and your family and your community.

00:14:08.240 I got a shirt that says,

00:14:09.580 God, family prepping in that order.

00:14:12.880 And so the fear is now,

00:14:15.180 it's like institutionally,

00:14:16.760 the federal government

00:14:17.540 doesn't have a lot of impact on your life.

00:14:19.820 It can, I'm a veteran.

00:14:21.120 I do a VA, it does.

00:14:22.920 But the reality is

00:14:24.160 the things that are going on in your backyard

00:14:25.800 are more significant

00:14:27.240 that you should be invested in.

00:14:30.120 And for the first time,

00:14:30.840 I'm seeing people combat,

00:14:33.820 argue, legislate,

00:14:35.100 and they're getting crushed.

00:14:37.060 I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax

00:14:38.400 went up 500%.

00:14:39.460 Like what?

00:14:40.940 Like 500%?

00:14:42.000 That's not nominal.

00:14:43.400 That's not like a small number.

00:14:44.660 That's a big number for working families. 1.00

00:14:46.560 You'll lose your house over that. 1.00

00:14:47.900 You'll lose your house over that.

00:14:50.400 And so I'm seeing that.

00:14:51.880 And so when people confronted

00:14:53.340 local legislative,

00:14:55.800 you know, the city council,

00:14:57.240 or whomever runs it, the local officials,

00:15:00.100 they just ignored them?

00:15:01.520 Box Elder County is a good example.

00:15:03.060 This data center that Kevin Leary got behind.

00:15:07.080 Look, the estimate is wild

00:15:10.440 because it's thousands of data centers,

00:15:13.560 but there's no real exact number.

00:15:16.780 The estimate's 4,000 to 5,000.

00:15:19.080 So if we take data centers that exist,

00:15:21.980 the one that exists, I forget what county,

00:15:24.180 it's in Utah, that Metta owns.

00:15:26.420 they're like advancing that and making it very large.

00:15:30.200 I'm talking about, I think it's like millions of acres.

00:15:33.440 It's like massive, massive build.

00:15:36.360 Box Elder County, they didn't stop the project

00:15:40.140 after all the outcry of support from the community

00:15:43.520 and the entire state of Utah and really the country

00:15:45.840 that was like, what are you guys doing?

00:15:47.880 They're like, it's in the middle of a field.

00:15:49.880 There's nothing there.

00:15:51.060 But the people of Utah don't want that.

00:15:54.120 So why are you doing it?

00:15:55.660 And they continue to fight it.

00:15:56.980 And I checked in yesterday on this project.

00:15:59.320 I talk about it nearly every other week on my show, on my podcast, and it's still going

00:16:05.240 forward.

00:16:05.920 And you're like, how is that possible?

00:16:08.820 Like, who are the people that are supporting this?

00:16:11.300 Where are they at?

00:16:11.800 Where are their voices at?

00:16:12.600 And what is their justification?

00:16:14.720 And then you find out there's like backdoor deals and a whole bunch of drama around it.

00:16:18.780 And bribery.

00:16:19.820 And bribery and everything else.

00:16:21.200 And so, even for me in Heber City, in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that.

00:16:31.560 But soon, you may feel the same.

00:16:33.780 You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state.

00:16:40.440 Eventually, because of the scale, the hyperscale of everything we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week.

00:16:46.740 That Flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw Flock cameras.

00:16:51.200 It's like, it might be at the intersection where you live, pointing at your house, because

00:16:56.260 they do that. 0.93

00:16:57.600 They point them at little girls' gymnastics events, which the CEO is catching crap for, 0.95

00:17:03.400 which he should.

00:17:04.620 And it's like, what are you guys doing?

00:17:07.080 And then when it does populate, what are you going to do?

00:17:09.700 Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan, you're not integrated in your community

00:17:14.320 because you're just kind of checked out.

00:17:15.840 Well, that's a problem because all your self-reliance that you've outsourced so easily is going to be affected and impacted.

00:17:26.140 So that's the second insight that really struck me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing.

00:17:39.760 It's a threat because it weakens you.

00:17:42.040 Yes.

00:17:42.600 Because you become reliant on it.

00:17:45.100 Mm-hmm.

00:17:45.840 And it's like the Google Map program, you know, and you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are.

00:17:55.380 And I mentioned this to you before.

00:17:57.800 We were talking about this at breakfast and you're the greatest line ever.

00:17:59.540 You said, after using Google Maps, you'll just like follow the line they give you under a sidewalk.

00:18:03.840 You'll drive to a shopping mall because you're just following it.

00:18:06.420 It says.

00:18:07.680 There's the line there. 1.00

00:18:09.520 And it's true.

00:18:11.100 I mean, if you think about it from this perspective, my experience is obviously the military.

00:18:17.120 I was in special operations and I was a sniper at one point.

00:18:20.460 When I was a team sergeant, had a group full of, a team full of like rock stars, right?

00:18:27.240 And they were all independently schooled in sniper operations.

00:18:32.180 They had to go to special forces sniper course, which used to be called SODIC, special operations target interdiction course.

00:18:39.580 uh delta snipers um special forces snipers ranger snipers in some cases go to this schoolhouse to

00:18:49.720 be qualified all my guys were qualified and meaning they were very competent in sniper

00:18:55.980 operations they knew how to use a sniper weapon system at one point for some reason and likely

00:19:04.700 it came top down, I was told, hey, we want to put a camera in your optic. And I was like,

00:19:11.060 for what? Like, why do you want a camera in the optic? It's like, oh, we want to be able to see

00:19:18.320 it. There's this technology and it integrates into the tactical operations center and we could

00:19:22.380 see it. And then I'm like, yeah, but I'm on comms. So if you think you're going to micromanage my

00:19:30.000 snipers through a camera with communications, there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two,

00:19:39.320 I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because

00:19:45.840 he's being viewed for a viewfinder. And because you don't like something you see,

00:19:51.000 you try to communicate, let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. 0.60

00:19:56.500 Like, let's not do that.

00:19:57.960 And then it never happened.

00:19:59.540 But that's an example of how this integration always works.

00:20:04.200 I mean, here's a great example.

00:20:06.460 The healthcare system, right?

00:20:08.680 The healthcare system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance,

00:20:15.280 a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that requires, I don't know, penicillin,

00:20:21.080 you have to go through a process, an entire system.

00:20:24.120 so our grandmothers our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine like

00:20:32.060 independency that's what it was actually holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was

00:20:36.620 life uh 100 years ago you had to be resilient because it was just life right there was no

00:20:41.480 pharma there was there was no there was no big pharma there was no big health care systems you

00:20:45.120 had to take care of yourself and your family you had to figure it out so when you look at

00:20:50.500 for example, the healthcare system. I actually just heard this last night flying here.

00:20:58.340 The third leading cause of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan,

00:21:03.840 which is a great podcast, by the way, it dropped yesterday. That podcast, they talked about a

00:21:09.320 number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical

00:21:15.280 malpractice in one year 251 000 people according to americans americans a quarter million americans

00:21:25.120 died in one year because of quarter million americans according to again you guys can look

00:21:29.260 this up according to the statistic they pulled up by john hopkins and i'm like okay and then i was

00:21:35.480 asking the question in my head where does that rank in leading causes of death but that's like

00:21:39.520 a that's a city that that's a city that's top three that's actually the third leading cause

00:21:44.420 of death if it was actually reported, but it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the

00:21:49.260 independent survey to look at the statistics. But if you integrate it, it's right behind

00:21:54.500 cardiovascular or basically any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America,

00:22:02.160 and cancer. I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot if it

00:22:07.520 wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice, which is wild, right?

00:22:15.220 So think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a

00:22:19.720 hospital late at night, and they talked about this, they articulated this, when a doctor has

00:22:25.820 been on shift for 12 hours, which is he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12

00:22:30.020 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's

00:22:36.520 making decisions, life or death decisions. And 250 plus thousand people, 251,000 people

00:22:42.700 apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you

00:22:49.020 in the name of safety, national security, whatever it may be. But the reality is because

00:22:53.780 institutions, I like this idea, men are sinners. Every man is a sinner. We all fall short.

00:23:02.960 When you align that into an institution, according to the Bible, the institution is for good.

00:23:09.520 You're supposed to have it for good.

00:23:10.780 The government is for good.

00:23:12.380 But what it does, I don't think institutions are evil.

00:23:16.240 I think people are inherently flawed and have no other expectation that they're not.

00:23:21.980 And then eventually the truth reveals itself.

00:23:23.980 Yes.

00:23:24.400 So all these institutions that we hope the best for, like many of my good friends say, hope is not a course of action.

00:23:30.800 eventually the truth reveals itself and they're broken now the problem is what we what do we do

00:23:36.320 with broke system broken systems that's another question but the reality is the dependency you

00:23:41.180 have on these systems across every single facet of the umbilical cord connected is failing so maybe

00:23:48.300 the better analogy is like the umbilical cord is connected to the mom who just started smoking

00:23:54.240 crack and if you want to prolong this yeah we know what that looks like we know the outcome

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00:26:15.700 so but anyway but certainly covet where if you followed the official guidance your chance of

00:26:21.300 dying went up obviously um or of permanent injury went up so we're now on the cusp of

00:26:31.060 technological change it's like the one thing we know about it it's going to empower those systems

00:26:36.260 it's going to make them give them more control than they currently have

00:26:40.200 so what do you what do you like how do you prepare how do you become more self-reliant

00:26:45.940 in the face of that well i think the the easiest way to kind of start it is

00:26:52.500 have a conversation with your family you're the ones you love and and actually circumnavigate a

00:26:59.580 deliberate intentional plan to disconnect um and look i i i started teaching modern survival i'm not

00:27:08.140 a primitive survival expert.

00:27:10.400 I joke about it.

00:27:11.360 It's like,

00:27:11.660 I'm not going to teach you

00:27:13.340 to survive when you're

00:27:14.200 naked and afraid in the woods

00:27:15.360 because if you're naked

00:27:16.140 and afraid in the woods,

00:27:16.780 you've made a lot of mistakes, right?

00:27:19.340 You've screwed up a lot.

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00:27:21.320 That's a fair,

00:27:21.760 you know,

00:27:21.920 that's a totally fair question, Mike.

00:27:23.140 Yeah, so everybody thinks survival

00:27:24.600 is like the naked and afraid show

00:27:26.140 and all these things.

00:27:27.040 It's like survival for me

00:27:28.580 is like the modern take on it.

00:27:30.320 Well, if you're naked

00:27:30.760 in the woods alone,

00:27:31.920 it's also weird.

00:27:32.840 It's also weird.

00:27:33.760 Yeah.

00:27:34.060 There's a lot of things

00:27:34.800 that can get you.

00:27:36.880 And so I don't,

00:27:38.140 I look at that and I go, look, a modern survival take on this is you need to look at all the

00:27:44.580 institutions you're tethered to and figure out ways to start segmenting yourself away from them

00:27:50.660 and building your dependency. I mean, it's why I advocate, for example, for homeschool.

00:27:55.580 My kids right now are in a great school in the public education system in Utah for elementary

00:28:02.220 school. But when they get through the basics of arithmetic and everything else, and they're

00:28:08.160 advancing into social studies, I don't want them learning about things that I want them learning

00:28:12.800 about. So I'd like to homeschool them. We talked about protein. If you don't insource your protein

00:28:22.060 and there's any infrastructure threats whatsoever, which there are all the time, I mean, diesel's

00:28:26.860 higher than it's ever been. The infrastructure could have one impact or catastrophe and the

00:28:33.220 entire apparatus shuts down. I talk about this every week on Survival Dispatch with a group of

00:28:38.120 guys who are experts at this. And the general consensus is that one little thing can affect

00:28:45.620 the outcome of all the things that you're tethered to. So the Walmart down the road has a couple

00:28:51.820 weeks of supply. What happens when everybody goes, we learn this from COVID, and gets everything off

00:28:56.200 the shelf. It's empty. What happens if the truck that's driving down, they strike. The war in Iran

00:29:04.640 accelerates and that entire apparatus gets cut off. Then you don't have any food. If you don't

00:29:11.860 hunt, if you don't know how to hunt, if you've never gone fishing, if you haven't insourced

00:29:16.400 anything, maybe it's a good time to sit down and have the conversation with your family

00:29:20.680 and just start there with some basics.

00:29:23.380 It's not that complicated.

00:29:25.500 You mentioned homeschooling at first.

00:29:27.060 So that's a lot,

00:29:28.600 that's a much more complex system

00:29:30.140 than say getting protein.

00:29:32.260 Like you could stockpile.

00:29:34.920 Conceivably a year's worth of protein in your garage.

00:29:37.720 It's not that hard.

00:29:38.380 You could buy it on Amazon.

00:29:39.680 But you're thinking about separating yourself

00:29:42.980 from like a pretty basic system,

00:29:44.820 like education, public education.

00:29:46.660 Yeah.

00:29:47.400 Public education is an easy one

00:29:49.220 because we know all the drama

00:29:52.420 that's happened over the last few years,

00:29:54.180 especially with COVID, even with COVID.

00:29:55.860 California, they destroyed these kids,

00:29:58.680 likely long-term because they kept them out of schools

00:30:01.280 and social settings and kept them isolated.

00:30:04.200 I mean, like basically putting your children in solitary,

00:30:06.340 actually putting somebody else's children

00:30:07.900 in solitary environment.

00:30:09.580 And we know that that's having long-term effects 0.99

00:30:12.240 or a public education system is garbage. 1.00

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00:30:16.140 I mean, I'm proud of Utah's public education system 0.58

00:30:18.240 because I'm integrated.

00:30:19.840 I have conversations with the principals of these schools.

00:30:22.380 I talk and walk them through their security plan.

00:30:26.000 I want to know because I don't want my children 0.98

00:30:28.100 to be in Uvalde. 1.00

00:30:30.120 Another reason why it aggravates me

00:30:33.380 that we have this dependency

00:30:34.520 when parents are trying to get into the school

00:30:36.880 to save their kids and you're keeping them out

00:30:38.860 because you're going to contain the area

00:30:41.040 and just let these kids die, right?

00:30:42.960 So the school system is a bigger problem.

00:30:47.340 But when I look at all the elements, for me, it starts with security because security is very intimately a part of my military experience.

00:30:59.020 It's something I was taught as a 17-year-old infantryman.

00:31:03.300 You never violate security.

00:31:06.300 It's one of the principles of patrolling.

00:31:08.960 And when I think about security, how many people are secure?

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00:31:15.040 meaning how many people know what to do when somebody kicks in their door in the middle of

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00:32:47.120 So, let's get specific about it. So, you've been, because of your job, in a lot of places that were

00:32:52.620 totally consumed by chaos, obviously. I mean, I don't know how many combat doors you did, but a lot.

00:32:58.560 total chaos. But most of those places I would bet are calmer now because people can't live

00:33:05.000 in chaos forever. So like food supplies are disrupted, for example, but, and some people

00:33:09.580 obviously are hurt by that, but over time they, they regrow the threat. It seems to me is the

00:33:17.220 initial spasm of chaos. So what do you do? Like, so you're at your house and there's an EMP and

00:33:26.220 there's no more electronic communications. Do you stay in place? What is the actual protocol for

00:33:31.660 the moment of crisis? It's a real good question. And I'll walk you through this, but I'm going to

00:33:37.420 back you up to a case study and an understanding of how this works. Virginia Tech, 2007. I was

00:33:46.100 there. Remember? I was physically there when it happened. Did you do the reporting on it? I did.

00:33:50.380 Yeah. Tragic circumstance. Unbelievable. This guy walks into this hall. It's basically dorm rooms and kills two people. He leaves that place. And this is fascinating because a massive error by Virginia Tech. Two hours later, he goes into another building that has school still in session.

00:34:14.900 Yeah. And it's obvious that they should have locked down and shut down the school. They did not. So he goes into this building and class is in session and he locks and chains the doors behind them. And he goes from room to room, killing every single student and faculty member he comes across.

00:34:34.200 In some rooms, he goes through and the percentage of people who were shot in the head, for example, was above 90%.

00:34:42.080 The overwhelming majority of them were basically assassinated, killed in place.

00:34:47.760 The acronym for an active shooting is RUN, HIDE, FIGHT.

00:34:52.560 There's many problems with that acronym, including the idea that where are you running?

00:34:59.040 Maybe assess the information or the situation.

00:35:01.760 I would hate for you to like lock yourself down in a building that's a mile away from where the shooting is taking place on the same campus, by the way, because campuses could be that large.

00:35:12.660 So you just lock yourself down, you know, run and hide into a closet a mile away from this while something's happening when you could have just ran an extra hundred feet to the parking lot and got in your car and drove away.

00:35:24.380 Anyways, so most of them died underneath their desk.

00:35:27.700 and part of the problem was there's many problems but the protocols were the problems

00:35:34.420 many students had no plan they didn't know what to do and so they shut the doors and then

00:35:41.740 barricaded them because they in some cases couldn't even lock the doors he just went in and shot up

00:35:47.440 the door and then opened the door and forced his way in and then killed many people in those rooms

00:35:51.280 32 people. Afterwards, he took his own life. When we look at that circumstance, there's an

00:35:58.500 interesting thing that happened that's noted in Amanda Ripley. She wrote a book called

00:36:05.880 Unthinkable, I believe it was called. A really good book. She talks about this one student

00:36:11.440 underneath the desk who thought he thought he was shot.

00:36:19.200 So he says and he reflects about this

00:36:22.240 that when the shooter came in, he was so scared,

00:36:25.340 he didn't know what to do.

00:36:26.120 So he froze and he thought to himself

00:36:29.780 that I'm going to pretend like I'm dead.

00:36:31.380 He thought he thought that.

00:36:33.540 And so he did.

00:36:34.720 And then he thinks he was bypassed.

00:36:38.040 And then everyone in that classroom

00:36:40.300 subsequently was shot many died and a couple survived at the end of it when it was time to

00:36:46.960 move he couldn't move he physically could not move his body and he thought to himself i was shot

00:36:52.720 i just don't remember or know when it happened i was shot and the point of that is he wasn't shot

00:37:00.000 and what what we often don't assess in these type of scenarios is how the nervous system operates

00:37:10.180 Yes.

00:37:10.700 Right?

00:37:11.380 There's something called hyperarousal.

00:37:13.640 I'm actually writing a book about this for my second book.

00:37:16.640 A book about hyperarousal?

00:37:17.940 Yeah, not that type of hyperarousal,

00:37:20.820 but fight or flight.

00:37:22.180 It's got a really bad rap.

00:37:24.040 There's a stigma associated with it

00:37:25.240 because it's like,

00:37:25.940 you don't want to go into fight or flight

00:37:27.100 because it's bad.

00:37:27.720 Everybody potentially will go in fight or flight.

00:37:30.240 I did in Afghanistan my first gunfight

00:37:33.640 because it actually wasn't a gunfight.

00:37:35.540 It was 107 millimeter rockets

00:37:37.560 and nobody prepared me for that.

00:37:39.240 like a freight train impacting the earth

00:37:41.040 with a large kill radius that was super loud and scary

00:37:45.480 and like everybody's going to die

00:37:46.840 and like I have to work through that.

00:37:48.880 I wasn't like calm and conditioned for it

00:37:51.280 because it wasn't the gunfight in the woods

00:37:54.160 like I was trained at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

00:37:56.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:56.860 And so he was hypo aroused,

00:38:00.600 which is the opposite of hyper aroused, right?

00:38:02.920 He was under aroused.

00:38:04.600 Why did that happen?

00:38:06.200 Well, it's something called,

00:38:07.320 I mean, some people call it the faint or fawn response.

00:38:10.640 It's actually called tonic immobility.

00:38:13.380 And tonic immobility in the process

00:38:16.140 of maybe spiking adrenaline and cortisol, norepinephrine.

00:38:21.180 I'm so scared, oh my gosh.

00:38:22.780 And then everything locks up, hypervigilant, hyperfocus,

00:38:26.800 blood shunting to large muscle groups.

00:38:29.380 I'm prepared to fight or flight.

00:38:31.800 But in this, it's the lull after the spike

00:38:34.920 whereby I'm immobilized.

00:38:38.320 And the tactic biologically,

00:38:40.440 or a lot of scientists discuss,

00:38:44.000 is that if you're a prey

00:38:47.040 and you're getting preyed upon

00:38:49.820 and you know you're going to die,

00:38:52.200 a last ditch effort is to collapse in place.

00:38:55.000 Maybe-

00:38:55.580 I have seen animals do this.

00:38:56.880 Yeah, maybe signaling to the predator

00:38:58.820 that you're sick, tainted, or maybe even dead.

00:39:01.560 And then a lot of predators feed off mobility,

00:39:04.640 off of movement. They want a live, I mean, my son's lizard. If I have a worm that's dead,

00:39:11.800 I'm like, here, eat this worm. He's just like, don't think so. But if it's like squirm and he's

00:39:16.000 like, oh, that's the trigger, right? So tonic immobility is what he went through. Well, they

00:39:21.380 don't tell you about tonic immobility is that it's a button. And once the button's pushed,

00:39:26.600 opiates, natural opiates dump into your body. And so the feeling of him like being sedated and I

00:39:32.380 can't move, it wasn't because of fear. I mean, fear might be the initiation device. It was because

00:39:39.340 of the process of tonic immobility. Women who are, and Ben could be in the category too, that are 1.00

00:39:45.820 sexually assaulted, often just talk about the idea that they were frozen in place, they couldn't do

00:39:51.480 anything about it, and they felt like they were sedated. And I wanted to fight, but I couldn't

00:39:56.400 fight and I feel guilty for it. You couldn't fight it. Your actual biological ancestral system

00:40:03.800 was designed to flip the switch for you to survive. To play dead. To play dead. So it's

00:40:08.940 not your fault, number one. Number two, that's how the process works. The whole point of that is

00:40:14.380 the button in us exists. And so if we don't understand and we can't manage stress and

00:40:21.280 understanding of how disaster works. Disaster is just an amplified version of stress. It's just

00:40:27.560 stress in a cloud that's suppressing our abilities. If we don't operate and condition ourselves for

00:40:34.700 that, then we're not prepared for any catastrophe. Because the first indication that something's

00:40:39.940 potentially happening or going wrong by intuition, by your senses, by your vagus nerve that's kind

00:40:46.360 of detecting the world around you, your palms might sweat and you might go, oh, I feel nervous.

00:40:53.760 Something's wrong. But our intuition is like, whatever, it doesn't matter. And then you see

00:41:00.460 the rock falling down the hillside and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Let me pull out my cell

00:41:04.440 phone and record it. We're losing our natural instincts and our intuition. And we're tethered

00:41:11.640 to, again, to the cell phone and technology that we think is going to bell us out. And it's not.

00:41:18.180 The reality is it's not. And so the whole montage, the reason for the montage is before we could

00:41:26.080 kind of understand what to do in catastrophe, we need to understand ourselves. Lastly, I mean,

00:41:31.720 think about your baseline. What is your baseline for reacting to everyday stress? Not to like the

00:41:39.660 catastrophe, but everyday stress, things you deal with. Most Americans' baseline, because of social

00:41:45.600 media, because of the cell phone, because of their obsessions with Lindsey Clancy and all the things

00:41:50.800 that are going on in the world, is our baseline has now changed. So whereby a primitive reaction

00:41:58.880 in fight or flight would be to fight the predator to survive, we're now bashing our heads against

00:42:06.440 the steering wheel, willing to get in a gunfight with another citizen of our town because they

00:42:13.120 cut us off. The dishes in the sink is triggering us. The way our kids talk to us, what they're

00:42:21.760 doing, trigger us. And so our baseline to manage trust overall is already affected and flawed.

00:42:28.820 So how are we going to manage a catastrophe? And I've seen it. I've been a first responder

00:42:34.320 are at the scene of accidents.

00:42:36.460 And I've seen people completely check out

00:42:38.560 and just drive by.

00:42:39.300 Like there's a guy flipped upside down.

00:42:40.600 He's hanging outside the vehicle.

00:42:42.460 There's smoke under the hood.

00:42:43.980 And you just drive by

00:42:44.960 because you got places to go.

00:42:47.120 Like I got things to do, man.

00:42:49.580 And then you don't even care

00:42:50.540 about your fellow citizen.

00:42:52.600 And so we don't have a good understanding

00:42:55.840 and baseline of our normal everyday life

00:42:57.860 because it's overwhelming to us.

00:43:00.160 Right.

00:43:00.560 So how are we going to contend?

00:43:01.680 So we're dulled, in other words,

00:43:03.540 by the adrenaline spiking images

00:43:07.820 that we're inundated with all day?

00:43:10.960 Exactly.

00:43:11.680 The baseline that we have,

00:43:12.880 the foundation of where we should be operating,

00:43:16.180 whereby you're parasympathetic,

00:43:19.100 you're rest and digest,

00:43:20.400 you're just hanging out.

00:43:22.240 Most of us are living anxious.

00:43:25.520 Most of us are living

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00:43:33.540 Have you ever come to terms with your spouse in an argument?

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00:43:45.560 You have cortisol on board, the stress hormone.

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00:46:16.780 Wait, you've asked people, married people,

00:46:18.860 you've never come to terms with, never resolved an argument? You've never resolved an argument

00:46:24.340 when you're elevated, when your central nervous system is spiked because it thinks it's in a

00:46:30.300 fight. When you walk away, which is the best tactic, and you breathe and your nervous system

00:46:36.720 calms down and then you come back, then the parasympathetic component, the cognition of

00:46:43.780 your brain, the decision-making of your brain is actually able to make a logical and reasonable

00:46:48.360 decision to communicate even. I mean, I teach a course called Decision Point where one of the

00:46:54.940 things I do is I scream at the person right in front of me. And often it's women. Women actually 1.00

00:47:01.360 have a decibel range in their registry that if spiked, they'll go into fight or flight immediately.

00:47:09.300 So for men, it's not the same.

00:47:12.740 If you see men's reacting to drill sergeants

00:47:18.540 in basic training,

00:47:19.860 having graduated basic training

00:47:21.260 at 17 years old at Fort Benning,

00:47:23.440 no problem with guys screaming in my face. 1.00

00:47:27.680 But a woman, once that decibel range spikes, 1.00

00:47:31.620 once the red line is hit, 1.00

00:47:33.500 immediately cortisol is dumped,

00:47:36.060 adrenaline surges.

00:47:38.300 And then they're in reptile brain.

00:47:39.820 They're in sympathetic nervous response.

00:47:41.920 They think they're fighting for their brain.

00:47:42.800 What does that look like?

00:47:44.000 Well, typically it looks like a lot of hyper-focus.

00:47:49.840 Cognition shuts down

00:47:50.920 because it disconnects from the brain.

00:47:52.800 Look, the brain is a liability to survival primitively.

00:47:56.920 Of course.

00:47:57.640 Right?

00:47:58.060 But now we have, again,

00:48:00.680 this tethering of all of these institutions, for example.

00:48:04.420 um one of the first things that you should likely do in a situation outside of fighting

00:48:10.700 in the circumstance is reaching out to 9-1-1 right call 9-1-1 get get ems rolling right we

00:48:17.260 want them rolling in route and not even stressful situations fender benders people can't even

00:48:24.740 talk to the police i mean it's true they can't communicate basic information because they're so

00:48:30.000 surged with that so what i just ultimately what i tell people is like if if you can't balance the

00:48:35.340 things in your everyday life because you can't manage the stress you're going to have a hard

00:48:40.120 time managing the gunfight the catastrophe yes yes just to go back to something you just said

00:48:46.900 when you scream at women you get close to them and scream like what do they slap you do they

00:48:51.600 seem paralyzed how do they respond varying responses i mean i do this obviously formally

00:48:56.500 in classes uh one of the points of decision point is we focus so much on the self-defense act the

00:49:03.800 drawing of the gun and exactly the act too much emphasis because there are many steps including

00:49:09.680 recognizing the go slash no-go criteria for what my decision making is exactly to use deadly force

00:49:17.940 right i need that kind of understanding i need that oodle loop of understanding of how i'm going

00:49:22.340 assess this information. And so what I tell people is like, you know, it's a 70 degree day.

00:49:27.620 You're shooting on a flat range, no obstacles. It's a beautiful day. You're creating a hole with

00:49:33.220 your bullets on the target. You're shooting the bullet through the hole you created. Congratulations. 0.94

00:49:38.140 That's not at all how a gunfight works. That's not combat. That's not catastrophe. So when I

00:49:44.180 scream at the person, I'm eliciting their neurological response to me screaming. In some

00:49:51.620 cases, I'll tell you about this lady who came in my class. And if I run an all-women's class, 0.99

00:49:58.640 you'll get the majority of the women that are in that class wanting to go through the training to 0.98

00:50:03.760 empower themselves, which I applaud them for. For sure. Because men just show up because they 0.99

00:50:08.600 want to take a picture with Mike Glover and like, hashtag, shoot better than Mike, whatever it is,

00:50:13.240 like cool guy stuff, right? But women go there because they actually want to repair something 1.00

00:50:17.600 that potentially was broken 1.00

00:50:19.200 or they saw something happen.

00:50:22.260 And I didn't realize this

00:50:24.180 until after this experience.

00:50:26.220 One of my scenarios

00:50:27.340 had to do with ATM machines.

00:50:29.820 So the disadvantage of ATM machine,

00:50:32.280 especially at night,

00:50:33.520 is you're blinding yourself

00:50:35.160 with the ATM LCD display

00:50:37.180 and then you're in darkness.

00:50:39.420 Your back's completely exploitable

00:50:41.320 and you're taking money out.

00:50:43.840 And if the bad guy is going to get you,

00:50:47.140 He's going to get you in that moment

00:50:48.220 where you're staring at a machine

00:50:50.120 trying to get money,

00:50:52.000 which you should never do

00:50:53.180 in the middle of the night

00:50:53.860 in a bad area, right?

00:50:55.720 It happens though.

00:50:56.720 If you look at the ATM thefts,

00:50:58.840 that's typically how it happens.

00:51:00.420 The majority, by the way,

00:51:01.720 of bad guy engagement,

00:51:04.260 anything happens at night,

00:51:05.340 by the way.

00:51:06.400 It doesn't happen in daytime,

00:51:07.400 but we train 99% in the daytime,

00:51:09.460 but that's another thing.

00:51:11.400 So in the scenario,

00:51:13.400 I walk up behind her

00:51:14.580 with a simunitions pistol.

00:51:15.800 So it's a pistol that shoots basically a piece of plastic, right?

00:51:22.900 It hurts, but it obviously doesn't injure you or kill you.

00:51:27.180 And you have to wear protective equipment.

00:51:29.000 I walk up to her and she's staring at an iPad that's simulating an ATM. 0.96

00:51:34.480 And I shove the gun in her back.

00:51:36.840 And I tell her some expletives that I would never communicate to anybody and act like a bad guy. 0.98

00:51:43.880 but I do so yelling at her and telling her I'm going to hurt her.

00:51:48.080 And immediately she breaks down into the fetal position and starts crying because I triggered 0.92

00:51:54.200 her trauma. And often, and we talked about this a little bit, especially as it relates to

00:51:59.540 psilocybin and some of the things, when you have trauma and it's in you, it's dormant.

00:52:08.540 and there is a trigger device attached to that.

00:52:14.240 Like imagine your trauma is like a bundle of TNT,

00:52:16.940 not C4 because that's more stable,

00:52:19.140 like wet TNT.

00:52:21.500 There's an initiation device,

00:52:24.240 maybe a plunger because that's a good analogy,

00:52:26.260 like the plunger.

00:52:27.300 That exists.

00:52:29.480 And if you're not managing or conditioning

00:52:31.220 or understanding that trauma,

00:52:34.140 that trauma could be the liability that's on standby.

00:52:38.540 when catastrophe strikes.

00:52:40.880 And so at the moment,

00:52:42.260 at the precipice of decision point,

00:52:44.740 where you're like,

00:52:45.400 I got a plan

00:52:46.120 because I talked about it,

00:52:47.080 rehearsed it in my head,

00:52:48.000 and I'm going to do

00:52:48.500 all this cool guy stuff.

00:52:49.940 And then the trigger is met.

00:52:51.540 You have no option.

00:52:52.660 It's plunged.

00:52:53.560 And then it blows up.

00:52:55.220 And then that switch

00:52:56.340 we talked about,

00:52:56.940 the button,

00:52:57.540 the tonic immobility, 0.96

00:52:58.740 that's what happened to her.

00:53:00.360 And so I picked her up

00:53:01.380 and I turned on the lights 1.00

00:53:03.240 and all the women there 1.00

00:53:04.980 were like in shock.

00:53:06.380 And I had never seen

00:53:07.660 anything like this before. I'm learning about this as I go. I'm almost doing like studies on people

00:53:13.660 and taking data points in my head at least. And I take a step back and I pick her up and I'm like,

00:53:18.760 oh, I'm like, why did this happen? She told me she had been a victim of assault in a similar

00:53:25.260 scenario with a pistol, feeling helpless, likely in a state of hypo arousal. And so I walked her

00:53:33.180 through it i coached her we trained she built the confidence and we did the same exact drill 1.00

00:53:39.280 just a walk through version of it and she turned she pulled the pistol over waistband and she shot

00:53:45.000 me in the stomach with protective equipment on and afterwards she said when she broke those shots it

00:53:51.340 was like you ever heard the dream where you have the gun and you can't you pull the trigger nothing

00:53:55.280 happens oh yeah or you're gonna punch and then you're punching the person and it's not having

00:53:59.960 an impact or effect, she said she was stuck in that loop for years. And then when she pulled

00:54:05.640 the trigger and was able to break the shot in my stomach, it released something. But the reality is

00:54:12.340 she was just conditioning herself out of trauma for conditioned stress to be able to work through

00:54:19.440 it. And I know that's a long-winded version of it, but the reality is we focus in preparedness

00:54:25.280 on technical capability for sure when that's the easy part that you earn those reps on your own

00:54:32.500 work through that on your own you got that the hardest part is understanding the infrastructure

00:54:36.960 behind it so there's a lot going on in the world as we often say a new war in the middle east

00:54:41.540 closure of the strait of hormuz the global energy crisis if you're not convinced that you have an

00:54:48.380 obligation to think about the future nothing will stability can disappear really really quickly

00:54:54.300 That's unfortunately true.

00:54:56.340 Most Americans have no idea where the basic necessities of life actually come from,

00:55:00.400 but we can tell you this, probably not your backyard, and that's a problem.

00:55:04.700 Global supply chains are unreliable, so you need to make sure you've got what you need

00:55:08.060 to protect your family if the system is break down.

00:55:10.880 And they could.

00:55:11.840 Not forever, but they could definitely break down.

00:55:14.940 And that is the reason that we built Last Country Supply.

00:55:17.660 We're not crazy, okay?

00:55:19.840 We're not living in bunkers, but people need to think about self-reliance, becoming self-reliant

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00:55:46.080 people are paralyzed by their the stress of an unexpected emergency yeah i think anyone who's

00:55:54.300 ever been in a situation like that is like amazed by just the physiological response to it like oh

00:55:59.860 you can't talk you can't move yeah and it doesn't have to be the gunfight no it could be like

00:56:04.660 somebody calls you and tells you you know your family member was diagnosed with cancer yeah

00:56:09.120 or you're getting a car crash or whatever.

00:56:11.800 But I think everyone has had an experience like that.

00:56:14.880 So you think technology leaves us

00:56:17.760 less prepared for moments like that?

00:56:19.940 Less resilient overall.

00:56:21.480 I mean, as a nation,

00:56:22.160 there's many reasons why we're not resilient,

00:56:24.640 but less resilient overall.

00:56:26.900 How does AI affect this picture?

00:56:29.880 It wants to automate everything.

00:56:32.640 And so if you look at the AI integration,

00:56:35.200 the biggest risk by experts, not me, by experts,

00:56:39.120 is that it makes us not want to use our brains.

00:56:43.040 And the default, so like the analysis from an AI expert

00:56:47.560 is like the everyday mathing and statistics

00:56:51.580 and the things that you do.

00:56:53.260 But we're not considering catastrophe or contingency, right?

00:56:58.380 So in a perfect world, AI is basically setting us up for failure

00:57:02.100 because we become lazy.

00:57:04.240 But what happens if we become lazy and part of the,

00:57:09.120 foreign adversary analysis is we're exploitable oh we're complacent more complacent than we've

00:57:17.720 ever been oh and the idea that like foreign adversaries aren't investing in making us more

00:57:23.660 complacent that's been proven that they did that they've been doing that forever spy games decades

00:57:31.100 ago now integrating into every single facet of social media to do it and they're playing the 0.76

00:57:38.040 long game i mean china has a 5 000 year plan we have we're living day to day just getting by 0.77

00:57:45.460 depending on everybody else's manufacturing and origin story and process and so that's the problem

00:57:53.080 with ai integration is it's not what it does to us by making us lazy it's what happens when we're

00:57:58.200 lazy complacent and completely exploitable then you're vulnerable of course we're completely

00:58:05.140 But also, I mean, indolence is bad.

00:58:11.560 Luxury is poison over time.

00:58:13.940 If you stay in bed all day, you get bed sores.

00:58:16.740 Yeah.

00:58:17.020 You have to, you need resistance to stay human, don't you?

00:58:21.340 You need friction.

00:58:22.380 Right.

00:58:22.880 The most often question that I get is typically built around resilience and how can I become more resilient?

00:58:31.360 and i had the luxury and it was a luxury because i volunteered for it all you know i was a

00:58:38.260 infantryman i went to ranger training airborne training green beret training i was a guard at

00:58:45.240 the i don't know if you know this i was a guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier really yeah

00:58:48.680 must be a very handsome man for that job i was handsome minus the beard

00:58:53.460 because i do think like appear you know they all the guys look squared away at that yeah i was i

00:58:59.740 was I was squared away at some point and I did that and the nature of my job and my duties and

00:59:07.320 responsibilities were difficult and so everything I went through I was voluntold that you're going

00:59:15.180 to do and it build resilience and then I there's something magical that happens and a lot of my

00:59:23.080 the peer group, the Andy Stumps, the Evan Hafers,

00:59:26.140 the Jockos, Sean Ryan talks about it.

00:59:31.100 Like if you wanna build resilience, you do hard things, right?

00:59:34.960 When you do hard things,

00:59:36.620 there's something that happens though.

00:59:38.100 I actually think there's a gene for this.

00:59:40.800 It's a mechanism of survival for sure over time.

00:59:45.200 I mean, if me and you,

00:59:46.080 we're like sitting here comfortably in this beautiful place,

00:59:49.420 if it wasn't for the sacrifice of all the men and women

00:59:54.420 that bred our DNA before us,

00:59:59.140 we wouldn't be here living in luxury.

01:00:02.620 It's because of their resilience, adversity,

01:00:06.860 fighting through the most difficult of times.

01:00:09.060 A teenage girl gave birth in a cave during a snowstorm

01:00:11.520 to make this possible.

01:00:12.520 A hundred percent.

01:00:13.440 Yeah, a lot of them.

01:00:14.500 And we won the life lotto

01:00:17.540 Because we're born in America

01:00:19.620 and we have this amazing opportunity and we're here

01:00:23.980 when the majority of the world does not have that.

01:00:27.000 And so if you kind of backwards assess it,

01:00:30.820 it's because of the resilient that was built over time.

01:00:34.600 And what happens magically

01:00:36.080 when you actually execute on these,

01:00:40.120 I think natural desires,

01:00:41.620 like my sons are warriors.

01:00:44.880 i didn't teach them to be warriors they pick up sticks and start fighting each other like they're

01:00:51.840 spartans yeah and it's ingrained in them i didn't say hey do this like my son's my beautiful son

01:00:58.540 leland's uh leland's such such a beautiful name my daughter's name is isla and then i've been in

01:01:04.640 penelope but leland for his third birthday last weekend i bought him a spider-man pinata which

01:01:12.300 is awesome got a big spider-man head upper torso and he's like what the he doesn't know what it is

01:01:18.560 it's like part of a body of spider-man his favorite character i said no there's candy in it he's like

01:01:22.800 okay and i hand him a stick never seen a piñata in his life and he walks over to spider-man without

01:01:28.080 prompting and knocks the head off it like he's like a professional baseball player and then he

01:01:33.740 just shoves his hand in the neck of the spider-man head that he just knocked off he shoves his hand

01:01:39.040 in the neck and pulls out candy but you and you never told him to decapitate spider man never told

01:01:43.660 him to he didn't know anything about it and he literally naturally looked at it and went okay 0.72

01:01:49.180 he beheaded on instinct he beheaded on instinct stuck his little his actually fat little hand

01:01:55.360 inside of the neck and pulled out candy and started grubbing um it's so great and it's just

01:02:02.160 it's it's in this it's ingrained and so when you start doing difficult things you start wanting to

01:02:07.500 do more of that and and i love that like when i go camping with my kids like they love it

01:02:12.140 i love it and it's uncomfortable but when they get settled in comfort they have a desire to go

01:02:18.520 back into being uncomfortable 100 i go camping every week actually same every week every off

01:02:25.960 going thursday afternoon yep yes and for exactly that same reason you know alone with my dogs

01:02:32.280 Because I, for exactly that same reason, it's so deeply atavistically satisfying.

01:02:37.540 Like there's something hard to describe, but that is really important that roots you.

01:02:42.620 Yeah.

01:02:43.240 And think about where AI technology.

01:02:45.700 It's the opposite of that.

01:02:47.300 Yeah.

01:02:48.060 It's French toast in bed forever.

01:02:50.300 Forever.

01:02:50.840 We're more satisfied with the alternate reality we're creating online than we are the reality,

01:02:56.960 reality that we live in our daily lives.

01:02:59.020 And everybody's paying the price for it.

01:03:02.280 our relationships our relationship with god our relationship with our children and and and we're

01:03:08.920 completely disconnecting and we talk about it on podcast but nobody actually has the discipline to

01:03:16.680 live it and to to actually create parameters that's going to fix and maintain or retain some

01:03:23.800 balance in your life do you think it leads to a grave unhappiness too yeah i get that i don't

01:03:31.160 don't think i'm imagining that i think not having enough um well hard work not having the ability

01:03:40.140 to do things for yourself lacking self-reliance being served luxury basically living in the

01:03:47.180 ottoman harem makes you suicidal after a while uh lindsey clancy popped in my head because

01:03:53.640 she was privileged yeah she had a nanny she had a beautiful home a seemingly loving situation

01:04:02.820 with her family and for her it was the worst case scenario what's the suicide rate in rural

01:04:10.020 central africa versus the suicide rate in greenwich it's zero exactly it's zero it's

01:04:15.300 literally zero and so when you when you when you look at that type of scenario where we're at it's

01:04:20.580 like wow when we have it so good um we're the most unhappy we've ever been in human exactly

01:04:28.860 that's exactly right so why but now we're hearing from you know the heads of these companies

01:04:34.880 you know most of whom i know personally i don't i don't know that any of them you'd say is like

01:04:40.480 evil um even though i think they're doing evil but they don't seem evil personally to me they

01:04:45.520 love their children and all that, but their promise is more ease. They're like, no one's

01:04:51.300 going to have to work. Everyone's going to be rich. I mean, I don't believe that, but even if

01:04:54.960 it were true, would you want that? Every promise of every institution as a model of how business

01:05:02.620 works in the first place is to create an easier, fix the problem. What's the problem? This is the

01:05:10.720 problem, we have a fix for it. And we're going to build optimization and efficiency in your life

01:05:17.700 because of our service or our product. And the problem with that is every metric of friction,

01:05:24.420 as we described it, of resistance that moves us as human beings is now going to be compromised.

01:05:33.220 And so we need the friction. We need the resistance. And now we're manufacturing it.

01:05:36.860 cold plunge hot sauna i run on a treadmill in a room so right and so all of that resistance that

01:05:45.240 we could really want and have adapted to over time through evolution exists outside for the

01:05:52.080 most part right in remote areas of the world but this seems like a solution to a problem that

01:05:56.440 doesn't exist so basically they're saying like americans just do too much for themselves they

01:06:02.220 face too many i mean i don't know who they're speaking to not to me because i don't feel like

01:06:06.140 I do too much for myself.

01:06:08.000 I don't think my life is too hard.

01:06:09.320 I feel like my life is too easy.

01:06:10.980 I take everything for granted.

01:06:13.000 So when I hear someone

01:06:14.480 who runs an AI company saying,

01:06:16.540 you know, here's the good news.

01:06:18.580 You'll never have to do anything again.

01:06:20.640 I'm like, I don't know.

01:06:22.440 I didn't ask anyone to do that for me.

01:06:23.940 I don't want that.

01:06:25.580 Yeah, it's one of the problems,

01:06:26.400 but it's also like I talked about

01:06:29.180 in this rebellion

01:06:30.100 or this understanding of rebellion

01:06:31.960 and how it could potentially unfold.

01:06:34.980 There's a movement.

01:06:36.140 how can i join it you're part of the club i'm sorry i don't want to get arrested here no no

01:06:42.520 no no no we haven't done anything yet but if there's a meeting will you call me

01:06:46.800 i mean if you if you actually think about it think about the and i push this insistently

01:06:53.360 um if you think about the analog of even how i grew up in the 80s how you grew up in the 80s

01:07:02.200 and the things that you did right um everything was very manual i mean i have me and my wife have

01:07:10.400 old pickup trucks and jeeps because i like the visceral nature of how a manual vehicle makes me

01:07:18.300 feel standard transmission is liberation i completely i drive one i agree yeah i have a 71

01:07:23.520 ford highboy f-250 do you really have an 84 jeep scrambler cj8 i have a couple air-cooled porsches

01:07:32.300 that are just air-cooled manual analog very analog and i get it like there are some things ai is very

01:07:41.400 good for and like a lot of people were like it's a it's a liberal talking point well how about you

01:07:46.280 just settle down i'm not saying anything political there's nothing political about one so okay just

01:07:52.340 Just to explain, because I've had the same experience, but maybe people watching don't know what you're talking about.

01:07:56.600 So you're saying you've criticized AI or the tech tsunami about to crest over us.

01:08:03.160 And people you know have texted or called to say, hey, why are you repeating liberal talking points?

01:08:07.740 You're complaining about this technology.

01:08:09.560 Is that what you're saying?

01:08:10.400 Absolutely.

01:08:11.040 Okay, so I've had the same experience.

01:08:12.620 And what they're telling me is AI doomerism is a psyop.

01:08:18.220 It's all part of regulatory capture.

01:08:20.380 So like if you are worried about AI, you're playing into the anthropic demons plan for global domination because what they're really doing is partnering with the U.S. government to set up regulatory barriers against their competitors by scaring the crap out of everyone.

01:08:34.400 And the regulation they're calling for is actually like a form of protectionism that keeps their monopoly in place.

01:08:40.300 That's what they're arguing to me.

01:08:43.500 And, you know, I'm sure there's some truth in that.

01:08:45.620 But I also feel like, I don't know, inherently there's nothing to worry about.

01:08:48.940 Is that what you're saying?

01:08:50.020 And by the way, are you taking money

01:08:51.060 from any of these tech companies? 0.87

01:08:52.060 Because every freaking person I know 0.86

01:08:53.360 is taking money from a tech company, I've noticed. 0.93

01:08:55.640 Sorry, it's making me mad thinking about it.

01:08:57.660 And so like there are a lot of dishonest

01:08:59.480 talking points flying around.

01:09:01.640 Do you feel this?

01:09:03.400 I've been on the other end of it, just like you,

01:09:06.160 especially criticizing.

01:09:07.560 Well, so I don't even pretend to know

01:09:09.120 what the future holds, of course.

01:09:10.700 I have no idea.

01:09:11.560 So I'm like, I'm no expert on anything, like nothing.

01:09:15.000 But I just think these are legitimate concerns

01:09:17.040 and people are just way up in your face about it.

01:09:19.260 Why are you saying that?

01:09:20.560 I catch it the most with flock.

01:09:23.780 Who defended flock camera?

01:09:25.880 Well, it's funny.

01:09:26.580 There's chiefs of police.

01:09:28.600 There's officers that DM me and tell me how good flock is.

01:09:32.180 And they don't know the scale of flock or the history of flock.

01:09:34.980 It's very researchable.

01:09:36.620 I mean, you could Google it to understand just that baseline.

01:09:40.180 Like I just talked about the last nine years of scale.

01:09:42.860 Like this isn't something that we've always had or that was readily available.

01:09:47.640 This is something that has accelerated to hundreds of thousands of cameras that is now, for the first time, I think, being shown to be completely utilized and leveraged for evil, for bad things.

01:10:03.640 I mean, there are law enforcement officers. It's funny, I had an officer who DMed me and said, hey, flock isn't bad. It's a liberal talking point. You're just jumping on the bandwagon.

01:10:14.580 And I've had like a sheriff in California tell me the same thing.

01:10:18.960 He's advertised the same thing.

01:10:20.280 And I'm like, okay, so one, I'm a no expert at law enforcement.

01:10:26.500 I'm not, I have a undergraduate degree in law enforcement or criminal justice.

01:10:30.280 So I've studied law enforcement.

01:10:32.620 And when you look at what it is, it's a tool.

01:10:36.240 I get it.

01:10:37.080 It's a tool, but it's a tool that could be used for nefarious reasons, including tracking

01:10:42.820 your ex-girlfriend or-

01:10:44.380 16-year-old high school girls that you're into because you're a school resource officer.

01:10:49.100 True story. 0.98

01:10:49.680 This is not manufactured.

01:10:50.780 These are stories that populate it.

01:10:52.500 And he said, there's no proof of that.

01:10:54.220 I looked it up and found six stories in the last week of officers being arrested.

01:11:00.700 And some that are just being punished, but arrested.

01:11:03.080 But think about if you're the...

01:11:04.400 Mike, so you're saying that people use technology for creepy reasons?

01:11:07.700 Are you really saying that?

01:11:08.580 I think it can be used for that.

01:11:11.160 I think that's where it heads.

01:11:12.460 What?

01:11:12.800 The second the cell phone camera was invented,

01:11:15.880 like that's the only thing it was used for.

01:11:18.260 Yeah.

01:11:19.040 Stop.

01:11:19.740 I mean, think about the,

01:11:20.800 so if we just take the flock thing

01:11:23.020 and you just talk about any segment of technology

01:11:26.300 with the integration of AI,

01:11:28.760 it accelerates everything that potentially could go wrong

01:11:32.080 and violation of civil liberties or constitution

01:11:35.300 or civil rights as human beings.

01:11:38.220 And so that's what's scary for me

01:11:39.700 Because, you know, now the algorithm will detect and, you know, pull over the person that thinks it's the bad guys.

01:11:48.600 And then they wind up killing an innocent family.

01:11:50.980 That hasn't likely happened yet.

01:11:52.600 I haven't read that that's happened.

01:11:54.440 But the pulling over of innocent people and them being treated like criminals is happening all the time.

01:12:00.460 Predictive policing.

01:12:01.880 Predictive policing.

01:12:02.500 Oh, and by the way, that officer messaged me.

01:12:04.420 I wanted to message back and say, look, you're actually advocating for something that's going to have your job.

01:12:09.700 Well, that's the other thing, right?

01:12:11.220 There's a specific reason.

01:12:12.740 I can't articulate this, but I understand it.

01:12:15.160 And I don't know the, maybe you have a better example,

01:12:18.100 but there are some things that just need to be slow.

01:12:21.080 There only needs to be one ranger in a national park.

01:12:24.960 Because if you have an automated system

01:12:26.940 of tons of rangers and tons of violations,

01:12:31.340 oh, by the way, AI and these camera companies

01:12:34.300 are using them to detect people

01:12:36.300 who are catching too many fish in the water.

01:12:39.700 right so it used to be john who's the national park ranger who walks over and is like hey man

01:12:44.340 get your license yeah sure buddy no problem they're surveilling trout they're surveilling

01:12:48.800 national parks in some places and they're they're they're they're catching them or they're trying

01:12:55.760 to catch people's exceeding their fishing limit can you take out one of these cameras with a 308

01:13:00.480 or a smaller caliber 300 wind mag would be preferred it's too loud no well that's beyond

01:13:07.680 transonic and subsonic, you could be about a thousand meters away. Suppressed.

01:13:13.160 Someone at the table was a sniper at one point, I can tell.

01:13:16.280 Never advocating for that. Never advocating for that.

01:13:19.260 Yeah, I'm very close to advocating for that. Well, that is crazy. I had no idea that was even

01:13:22.800 happening. But your assessment is like so basic. It's wise. I don't want to detract from it,

01:13:28.800 but it's so obviously true that technology will accelerate pre-existing tendencies

01:13:34.860 in the society

01:13:36.660 and in the people

01:13:37.420 who comprise it.

01:13:38.180 So like if people

01:13:39.420 are a mixture of good and bad

01:13:41.120 and they're altruistic

01:13:42.320 but they're also greedy

01:13:43.220 and cruel or whatever,

01:13:44.220 all of that

01:13:44.880 will be magnified

01:13:45.940 by any technology, right?

01:13:47.440 Of course.

01:13:48.360 Yeah.

01:13:48.780 That's what you're saying,

01:13:49.640 I think.

01:13:50.340 It is.

01:13:51.000 And so we should just be on guard

01:13:52.980 for those predictable consequences.

01:13:55.560 And you say that to someone

01:13:57.080 and they say what?

01:13:57.960 That's a liberal talking point?

01:13:59.740 Yeah.

01:14:00.260 They say it's a liberal,

01:14:01.120 like I criticize Ford Motor Company

01:14:03.040 and

01:14:04.260 And I did so because Ford Motor Company's CEO has this diabolical plan to integrate cameras, including inward-facing cameras, especially for commercial contracts, that if it's not the driver or if the driver seems impaired, it will just contact authorities for you.

01:14:23.040 So you have surveillance in your car.

01:14:25.040 Surveillance in your vehicle.

01:14:26.540 Looking inward-facing.

01:14:28.120 So how about no?

01:14:29.520 How about like obviously no?

01:14:30.920 Yeah, so if you made this into a movie, it would be like a segment of the population that reads my book, Prepared, that's driving old pickup trucks and living very analog and refuse to integrate with technology and part of a rebellious militia.

01:14:43.560 It's one literally outside my door for this exact reason.

01:14:46.480 100%.

01:14:46.840 I sold my F-150.

01:14:49.120 I had a Raptor.

01:14:50.960 Got a great interest rate from Ford Motor Company.

01:14:53.880 And I was like, yeah, I'll get a Raptor.

01:14:54.940 It'd be cool.

01:14:55.340 I can do some content on it, do some stuff.

01:14:56.940 I was backing out of my driveway in Hebrew city, which is evolving and developing like no other

01:15:03.240 town. It's actually one of the top towns in development, not, not, not happy, um, for most 0.99

01:15:09.720 people in Hebrew city, if you're living there. Right. And so the development behind my house

01:15:15.240 is massive. So all the traffic is going one way. I go to back out of my driveway with my kids,

01:15:21.020 At that time, I had two children with me.

01:15:24.560 And as we back out, the truck just stops in the middle of the road.

01:15:30.140 And I'm like, what is like, and I go to move back and it won't go back.

01:15:34.160 So there's a car coming.

01:15:35.940 And I'm like, oh my gosh, what's happening?

01:15:38.120 It won't back up.

01:15:39.160 And it's beeping at me.

01:15:40.620 I put it in drive and I drive back in my driveway like, what's going on?

01:15:43.440 The sensor on the back rear right bumper was dirty.

01:15:46.800 And at the intersection, probably 500 meters away, there was a car and it caught likely

01:15:52.880 because it's infrared, a reflection that triggered the sensor that was dirty and locked me down,

01:15:59.480 shut me down in the middle of the road.

01:16:01.100 If there was a semi truck with an impaired driver or just somebody not paying attention,

01:16:06.180 I would have got T-boned in the intersection right in front of my house because of the

01:16:10.240 tech integrated into my truck.

01:16:12.260 I immediately got rid of that truck.

01:16:14.700 And I was like, I'm not going to risk that.

01:16:15.580 I did the same thing.

01:16:16.700 And I bought a 1997 Ford OBS 7.3.

01:16:20.580 Yeah, if you're interested,

01:16:22.640 anyone who drives pickup trucks,

01:16:23.940 at least for Chevys, which I drive,

01:16:26.700 the Silverado, I think the last year

01:16:28.920 that preserves human autonomy is 2018.

01:16:32.880 I can confirm that.

01:16:34.300 I mean, maybe a few subsequent years.

01:16:37.220 But after that,

01:16:38.440 you don't make the decisions in the vehicle.

01:16:40.200 So I had a 2023 Silverado,

01:16:42.980 kind of a cool vehicle in some ways.

01:16:44.360 I sold it in a month

01:16:46.000 because of reasons like that.

01:16:47.540 It's like, no, it's, I'm driving.

01:16:49.480 Yeah.

01:16:49.740 Like, who's dad here?

01:16:51.140 Yeah.

01:16:51.440 Are you really giving me orders?

01:16:52.500 I thought you were a machine.

01:16:53.680 Like, what are we doing?

01:16:54.880 And it's, for those who think

01:16:57.660 it's a liberal talking point,

01:16:59.480 let me just back up.

01:17:00.340 A liberal talking point?

01:17:01.280 A liberal talking point. 0.88

01:17:02.260 They think it's a liberal talking point. 1.00

01:17:03.020 Who's writing this crap? 0.99

01:17:04.120 They're like, you're going against Ford. 1.00

01:17:05.720 It's an American company.

01:17:06.640 It's affecting American jars.

01:17:08.260 Okay.

01:17:08.960 In what sense is Ford

01:17:10.100 an American company anyway?

01:17:11.540 So if you back out of that,

01:17:13.320 the reason all these things are happening is because the mining of data data is the currency

01:17:18.960 of course so when you get a ford a brandy truck um i know ford does it for sure most manufacturers

01:17:25.700 will likely do it you have to get the app integrated into the vehicle yeah and it downloads

01:17:30.960 it downloads everything it's because you never know if somebody steals your truck well you don't

01:17:34.880 need a law enforcement officer to go investigate a stolen vehicle because you have a app that

01:17:39.680 geotags it for you but like you can't do anything i mean there's youtube integration in the dash of

01:17:44.820 the vehicle like no thanks i don't want youtube when i'm driving in the middle of my integration

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01:18:54.480 You said you're not political,

01:18:56.120 and God bless you for that.

01:18:57.860 There's no upside in being political.

01:18:59.680 There's no upside in following a lot of the stuff.

01:19:01.240 I say to someone who has followed it for my whole life,

01:19:04.500 you don't get much out of it.

01:19:05.560 But if there is any reason to have a conservative party, whatever you call it, Republican Party or any name for it, but conservative, it's to oppose stuff like this.

01:19:14.500 It's to defend human beings against the machine.

01:19:17.360 It's to try to preserve some measure of human autonomy, personal sovereignty.

01:19:22.860 Why else would you have conservatism other than that? 0.94

01:19:26.260 And so for them to tell you it's a liberal talking point to say you don't want to be spied on in your own freaking truck is beyond belief. 0.88

01:19:32.880 What do you say to that? 0.76

01:19:34.700 I like to speed sometimes.

01:19:36.880 Yeah, of course.

01:19:38.040 And that's a very American thing.

01:19:40.960 A very American thing.

01:19:41.860 There's legislation in California right now

01:19:43.420 that's trying to get rid of basically all the classic cars.

01:19:47.260 And Jay Leno, who's been-

01:19:48.160 Get rid of the classic cars?

01:19:49.640 Jay Leno's actually came out of his hibernation,

01:19:52.020 out of his cave with all his cars to talk about this,

01:19:54.920 which I'm proud of Jay for doing this

01:19:56.300 because he's going against the system that's trying to take-

01:20:00.020 He's a very nice person at whatever his faults.

01:20:02.120 they're they're trying to take away the entire classic car um uh culture that's been built in

01:20:09.160 california because only for 100 years it's not a big deal yeah not it completely shaped the

01:20:14.900 american culture as a whole of course that's wow i didn't even so great deal is buying um classic

01:20:21.240 cars out of california right now because they're trying to pass legislation to basically ban

01:20:25.080 and it evolves around emissions

01:20:28.180 and these green movements.

01:20:30.820 Like a flathead motor's immoral or something.

01:20:33.080 Yeah, yeah, like it's killing all the birds.

01:20:35.760 And so you got to get rid of those vehicles.

01:20:37.680 Meanwhile, there's more pollution in California

01:20:39.480 than any state.

01:20:40.480 It's the most physically defiled state. 0.96

01:20:42.360 It's filthy.

01:20:43.160 Yeah.

01:20:43.720 And so you're letting people

01:20:45.040 use the sidewalk as a latrine

01:20:47.740 and, you know, die in public parks 1.00

01:20:49.780 and every public library smells like urine.

01:20:53.560 and you're lecturing me about pollution, really?

01:20:55.920 Yeah, and taking away part of culture, American culture. 0.76

01:21:00.020 But the dirtiest people in the world are calling you dirty.

01:21:03.060 It's like, no, I'm not playing along with this.

01:21:05.340 They don't have a problem with Skid Row,

01:21:06.540 but you got a problem with a car show full of classic cars.

01:21:09.100 Or drug cartels pouring poison.

01:21:11.860 The whole northern part of the state is a Superfund site 1.00

01:21:15.540 because of foreign weed cartels

01:21:19.280 that use banned chemicals to grow marijuana in the state.

01:21:22.620 And if you don't believe that, go to Mendocino County.

01:21:26.420 Anyway, whatever.

01:21:27.140 But that's just crazy that they're doing that.

01:21:29.260 It's wild.

01:21:30.160 It's wild.

01:21:30.640 And it hurts.

01:21:31.380 And it's like, again, I think a lot of Americans will be forced, like me, to go analog in a lot of parts of their life.

01:21:42.300 Whether they deliberately, intentionally do it or because they want to get away from the tech.

01:21:46.840 Like, there needs to be some form of balance.

01:21:48.900 I mean, not everybody lives in Silicon Valley or wherever this is happening.

01:21:54.160 I don't even know, Salt Lake City, maybe that's happening there.

01:21:56.900 But not everybody wants to live without resistance.

01:22:00.420 I want to feed my chickens and my goats and drive my pickup truck.

01:22:03.320 So as you talk to people, I mean, obviously, we all live in like a slice of the country,

01:22:08.500 right?

01:22:08.660 We live in our own worlds, our self-created worlds.

01:22:10.900 But so with that caveat, when you talk to people about technology, do you get the sense

01:22:17.200 that people you know are hopeful about it

01:22:19.300 or they're threatened by it.

01:22:21.160 So a report came out today, this morning,

01:22:24.720 that said that 70% of Americans that were surveyed

01:22:29.520 think that AI is going to be a problem.

01:22:33.680 And that is the general-

01:22:36.240 70%?

01:22:36.860 70%.

01:22:37.620 The overwhelming majority of Americans think

01:22:41.040 that AI is going to be a problem.

01:22:43.220 And I mean, when Sam Altman and Anthropic come out

01:22:47.180 and both say like, oh, we just had this huggy bear

01:22:50.000 or whatever situation where basically it breaks out itself

01:22:55.080 and starts operating and trying to figure out

01:22:58.400 how we're going to take over so we're not shut down

01:23:02.740 when it's doing things unilaterally without control

01:23:05.440 that's not even prompted, yeah, that's a problem.

01:23:07.880 And when the CEO of the biggest AI company comes out

01:23:10.940 and says, hey, we're pumping the brakes here

01:23:12.640 because something's happening that we weren't prepared for,

01:23:15.640 prepared for then you should be concerned as americans and everywhere i go when i speak to

01:23:21.640 people about preparedness when i talk to people online everybody overwhelmingly is concerned this

01:23:27.560 is not something that's in the minority well i mean just take a step back okay so the guy who

01:23:32.980 more than any other person is in charge of our future and that of our children sam altman is

01:23:37.580 this a normal person is this someone who shares your values is a guy who's been accused by his

01:23:41.360 own sister of molestation accused by the mother of one of his employees of murder i'm not saying

01:23:45.240 he did either one of those things.

01:23:46.740 I'm just saying,

01:23:47.380 that's the guy?

01:23:48.400 Really?

01:23:49.040 Of 350 million Americans,

01:23:50.920 that's the guy you put in charge

01:23:52.940 of the future of humanity?

01:23:54.960 Like, no.

01:23:57.200 Yeah, it's supposed to be

01:23:57.960 for the greater good.

01:23:59.040 I mean.

01:24:00.080 And a non-profit.

01:24:01.580 And now it's one of the biggest

01:24:03.460 profiting companies

01:24:05.140 at growth and scale

01:24:06.560 than any company in history.

01:24:10.060 This is a guy with nothing in common

01:24:11.240 with the average person.

01:24:12.240 No, not at all.

01:24:12.720 At zero.

01:24:13.320 Zero.

01:24:13.700 He's now creating reality for the entire nation and world.

01:24:19.440 Yeah, and we're buying into it.

01:24:21.000 I mean, the majority of the states are buying into the building of the infrastructure because it's a money grab.

01:24:27.120 So what do you do if you go to the local authorities whose job is to represent you and improve your life and listen to you and carry out your will because you are the owners, not them.

01:24:35.260 They're the employees, but they don't acknowledge that.

01:24:37.100 They give you the finger and just do what their donors tell them to do, which is the state of play.

01:24:41.520 Where does that leave you?

01:24:43.700 Like, what are your options?

01:24:45.740 You don't, like the idea of getting off grid

01:24:48.420 and going in the middle of the woods

01:24:49.480 and just living your life.

01:24:50.800 Well, we know how that worked out for Randy Weaver.

01:24:52.700 And that's not the option.

01:24:55.660 The option is fighting legislatively, legally,

01:25:00.700 until you can't.

01:25:02.240 And my fear is because of how quickly

01:25:05.000 this burn rate is going,

01:25:08.460 that till you can't is going to come sooner than we think.

01:25:11.460 Yeah.

01:25:13.700 I just couldn't agree with you.

01:25:16.120 Everything you've said,

01:25:17.300 I just couldn't agree with you more vehemently.

01:25:19.520 And it's actually hopeful that what you're describing

01:25:22.400 because you're describing solidarity of human beings.

01:25:26.160 So I just got one last category I want to,

01:25:27.880 thank you for doing this,

01:25:29.000 that I want to hit that's not related to your book,

01:25:31.400 but it's just interesting to me,

01:25:33.160 is you describe friends who've lived a life like yours,

01:25:37.700 been in an elite unit in the U.S. military,

01:25:39.780 served all these tours, combat tours,

01:25:42.000 and how they're thriving.

01:25:43.040 and you named a bunch of them.

01:25:44.600 And I think a lot of them are familiar to viewers.

01:25:46.940 Evan, certainly.

01:25:48.380 And they're all doing great.

01:25:50.240 But a lot of people famously who've lived that life

01:25:53.700 are not doing great at all.

01:25:54.860 And we both know a lot of those as well.

01:25:57.040 What's the difference?

01:25:58.500 Like, why does some guys who do eight combat tours,

01:26:01.660 totally well-adjusted, love my wife,

01:26:03.780 totally dialed into my job

01:26:05.240 and others just really seem on the brink of self-destruction?

01:26:08.980 Yeah, from my personal experience,

01:26:10.760 and it's personal,

01:26:11.620 And it's my personal opinion because, again, this is very anecdotal.

01:26:17.260 I mean, my experience with men and my organizations and all the things that we went through that would traumatize the average person by a long mile is that we're not traumatized by war.

01:26:31.820 I mean, the men that I associate that are my best friends that come from Evan Hafer, Green Beret, Andy Stump, former Navy SEAL DEVGRU operator, Sean Ryan, former SEAL.

01:26:46.120 Like many of these men are resilient because they grew up in good homes.

01:26:52.120 They grew up in good situations.

01:26:54.040 They joined for the right reasons.

01:26:56.000 they went through the training and all the experiences and had no problem with it because

01:27:01.160 they had it's not aptitude they just had the ability to reconcile um and they did so like

01:27:09.720 even me you know i i contend with this this this debate over like war and was it justified and all

01:27:14.960 the things but i know very intimately with most of my peers opinions thinking the same that the men

01:27:22.520 that we fought on the battlefield

01:27:24.080 were formidable foes and bad people.

01:27:29.040 I mean, they were killing Americans in some cases.

01:27:33.380 They were going after coalition forces.

01:27:38.240 But I also now full circle being old

01:27:41.160 and looking back on warfare like many veterans do,

01:27:44.680 go, man, was that necessary?

01:27:46.300 Was the whole thing necessary, obviously?

01:27:48.640 I'm more traumatized by that.

01:27:50.300 the big picture questions over which you had no control yeah no control versus the actual

01:27:55.400 engagements and the and the things that i saw in the battlefield but realistically most

01:28:01.820 people who suffer from trauma um that are in resilient natured conditioned jobs like special

01:28:09.980 operations which has all the psyche valves all the selection processes all the condition training

01:28:16.020 that's very difficult, obviously.

01:28:18.460 But they're a pretty fine mesh screen

01:28:20.040 at the beginning of the process.

01:28:21.360 I didn't fully realize that.

01:28:22.680 Like they screen,

01:28:23.460 they know who you are psychologically

01:28:25.060 by the time you start training.

01:28:26.480 Yeah, I actually thought about this

01:28:28.320 being a civilian

01:28:29.540 and I didn't get a job once

01:28:32.260 for the Department of Energy.

01:28:35.520 It's one of the only,

01:28:37.180 one and only civilian jobs I applied for.

01:28:39.440 And it was the head of Colorado's like DOE,

01:28:42.520 basically their power plants

01:28:45.360 throughout the state.

01:28:46.020 you got a pickup truck.

01:28:46.920 And I was like, sweet, you get a pickup truck.

01:28:48.700 I get to drive around in a truck

01:28:49.880 and check on these sites.

01:28:51.660 That sounds fun, actually.

01:28:52.820 It was cool.

01:28:53.440 It was like you had to have a degree

01:28:54.620 in Homeland Security.

01:28:56.100 I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security

01:28:58.040 in crisis response.

01:28:59.520 You had to have crisis response experience.

01:29:02.880 And not to brag, but just at the time,

01:29:05.520 I probably had more experience

01:29:07.080 than anybody that I knew.

01:29:09.040 Anybody I had worked with

01:29:10.140 in crisis response specifically.

01:29:12.400 And I was the guy.

01:29:13.460 Like this job was mine.

01:29:14.580 And then I found out after the application, when I was denied, it came down to me and another guy. I found out that at the application on the resume, when I put it, I was a sniper, that they looked at that as a liability, that I was the bad guy.

01:29:30.480 In fact, veterans get this all the time, by the way.

01:29:33.080 Veterans in family court,

01:29:35.340 veterans in any situation

01:29:38.960 where they're looked at post-traumatic stress.

01:29:42.120 Well, you don't know, he's a wild card.

01:29:44.100 Oh, he's a sniper. 0.99

01:29:44.800 He killed people for a living. 0.71

01:29:46.340 It's like, yeah, that was my job. 0.66

01:29:48.200 And I could have churched it up

01:29:49.540 and like redesign the verbiage

01:29:51.740 to make it seem like I was something,

01:29:53.340 a corporate long range executive,

01:29:56.720 whatever you want to put.

01:29:57.400 A threat elimination officer.

01:29:59.960 um teo yeah that was a teo so when when you look at that it's like most of the trauma that i see

01:30:08.500 after the fact and these guys that go and not in all cases um but they go to ibogaine psilocybin

01:30:14.100 etc they are dealing with traumatic injury um from before they came in the military from the

01:30:23.140 typically from their childhood really yeah i mean we deal with more injury more injury is a

01:30:27.240 significant component to this because across the board affects everybody that's most special

01:30:34.960 operations there's some component of moral injury there i lost a buddy i was i should have been

01:30:39.400 there um there was casualties we shouldn't took out whatever it was but before that it's my

01:30:47.060 experience that i wouldn't say the majority many of the men that i served with came from very broken

01:30:53.620 homes now i came from a broken home technically because it was separated but i had a very

01:30:59.520 beautiful and amazing mom uh still do my mom was korean um and live part-time with her and then

01:31:08.940 live part-time with my dad who was an amazing human being who kissed me uh uh and good night

01:31:15.860 and tucked me in every night like was a nurturing loving father and my mom was the same way and so

01:31:22.860 technically I was broken, but there are service members that I've served with who have significant

01:31:29.520 childhood trauma that I think, and I'll just say this out loud, that don't need to be going to

01:31:34.660 Ibogaine. They don't need to be going to psilocybin retreats because they're opening up a portal or

01:31:41.200 box or whatever you want to use that can exacerbate that trauma without a lot of parameters or

01:31:50.520 structure built to understand what it is in the first place.

01:31:54.120 Amen. I know. Boy, that comports with my instincts. Exactly. No one ever wants to say it

01:32:01.600 since Freud. We all assume that getting everything out is always the wise course,

01:32:06.660 but that's not always true. I mean, some things are subterranean for a reason. Do you really

01:32:11.160 want to revisit them? Can you fix them? Yeah. Yeah. You're messing with a spirit world. Just

01:32:18.240 to take a Young Guns quote,

01:32:21.280 a spirit world that we don't know a lot about

01:32:24.420 that depending on your capacity

01:32:27.580 to manage and deal with that can break you.

01:32:32.160 Oh, I've seen it.

01:32:33.240 Yeah.

01:32:34.220 I had the great advantage

01:32:35.120 of doing a lot of that stuff as a child.

01:32:37.520 By the time I was 17, I was like,

01:32:40.800 eh, I don't think I'm doing that again.

01:32:42.240 Because like, yeah, I learned this lesson early.

01:32:45.040 You know, not to brag.

01:32:46.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:47.220 But you know.

01:32:47.860 yeah yeah yeah there's some stuff yeah absolutely who know are we designed to understand in this

01:32:54.100 life everything that resides within us much less the things that exist unseen all around us i don't

01:33:00.480 know that we are yeah we're still interpreting the bible 100 i don't understand all of john

01:33:05.780 yeah like at all yeah so i was reading john this morning and still trying to figure it out me too

01:33:10.660 Yeah.

01:33:11.500 John eight.

01:33:12.900 What passage?

01:33:14.280 The truth shall set you free.

01:33:15.500 Yeah.

01:33:16.340 And the context where many people think that

01:33:20.800 the truth is like the truth by design

01:33:24.940 that we are confronted with in life,

01:33:27.520 but it has nothing to do with that.

01:33:28.660 It's the truth that Jesus is our Lord and savior.

01:33:33.280 He's preaching to the disciples,

01:33:34.740 but saying that basically I am the truth.

01:33:37.300 And if you're truthful about yourself

01:33:40.480 your relationship with jesus then you're separating yourself from sin and that will set you free yes

01:33:46.660 which oh i love get that gives me chills i do too i was trying to figure out i think it's john 13 i

01:33:53.120 probably have this wrong but it's in that range where lat he's jesus has raised lazarus from the

01:33:59.360 dead and the pharisees are totally panicked of course they take no like joy in the fact a dead

01:34:03.560 man dead for four days is like walking around in fact they want to kill lazarus but they all meet 0.89

01:34:08.560 council meets and they say, if he keeps this up, everyone will believe in him. True. And then the 0.86

01:34:16.700 Romans will destroy our nation and our temple. And I've read this a million times, but it struck

01:34:24.180 me. I was like, what does that even mean? If everyone believes in Jesus, the Romans, why would

01:34:29.560 I don't understand what that means, but I feel it's significant somehow. Anyway, probably read

01:34:34.640 that for the rest of my life and not understand it. Yeah. Which is part of the process.

01:34:38.560 Or inject yourself into that world and not be prepared and then deal with ramifications.

01:34:47.640 Yeah.

01:34:48.120 Yeah.

01:34:49.360 Mike Glover, a man who is prepared for ramifications, prepared is the book, A Manual for Surviving Worst Case Scenarios.

01:34:55.820 I really appreciate you doing this.

01:34:57.180 Thank you so much for having me.

01:34:58.220 Thank you.

01:34:58.740 Yeah, thank you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - September 28, 2026

Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

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