The Tucker Carlson Show - Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

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00:00:34 Mike Glover, thank you for doing this.

00:00:36 Congrats on the book.

00:00:37 Thank you.

00:00:37 You made a point.

00:00:39 Many people talk about preparedness.

00:00:41 Some are probably not qualified to talk about it.

00:00:43 I think you are.

00:00:45 But you've made a point I've not heard anybody else make.

00:00:48 And that is that we're clearly witnessing the construction of a much more technologically advanced security and surveillance state in our country.

00:00:56 that's clear, but that we need to prepare ourselves in the face of that. And I've never

00:01:03 heard anybody say that. And I think it's a really interesting idea. And so I hope you'll explain it

00:01:07 in depth, but to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now and what you think it

00:01:13 means? Yeah, I think it's, it has a lot to do with the incentives that are driving the entire

00:01:20 apparatus the institutions all of them are built off of scale growth all these metrics

00:01:28 and most of the institutions that are tethered to people have financial incentives and incentives

00:01:36 to grow annually from october to october and what i see happening especially with a lot of the

00:01:42 institutions. Yeah, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine like the analogy

00:01:51 I use is like the umbilical cord. Everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean,

00:01:57 your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure

00:02:01 of the city or town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency

00:02:08 for anything independently to happen because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan.

00:02:15 Well, what if they don't? The idea of firefighters and policemen, they patrol your neighborhoods

00:02:23 because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take

00:02:28 care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that when seconds count, both of those first

00:02:36 responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They're not going to be there

00:02:41 in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident,

00:02:46 they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. And so the idea for me is I want

00:02:53 people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have independence. I have a well, for example.

00:02:59 Not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this

00:03:05 where you can have independence, protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery

00:03:09 store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with cellophane and pink gel. You have

00:03:17 no idea where it came from. So I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant.

00:03:24 Well, if you have an institution that by design in the name of safety, for example, is

00:03:28 surveilling you, they're telling you, and now private companies are telling you

00:03:33 through the subcontract.

00:03:35 They're telling you

00:03:36 that we're going to make you safer.

00:03:37 And so you don't need to do anything.

00:03:39 And I actually just connected this thought

00:03:41 because we were having breakfast

00:03:42 and I was talking about it.

00:03:44 Like I gave the analogy

00:03:45 of like walking to Target, right?

00:03:47 I'm walking to a bad guy's house.

00:03:49 In some cases,

00:03:50 because of the technology integrated,

00:03:52 I didn't have to pull security.

00:03:54 So I'm holding a rifle,

00:03:56 like using my infrared floodlight

00:03:58 and laser to go around

00:04:01 every single bush and tree

00:04:02 because I'm like, there's something behind there.

00:04:04 The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars

00:04:07 has a FLIR pod that could assess heat.

00:04:11 And so there would be the case where it says,

00:04:14 hey, there's no need to pull security

00:04:16 walking to the objective.

00:04:17 We got you.

00:04:18 And then a guy is buried underneath foliage

00:04:22 or a palm grove.

00:04:23 And then he detonates a suicide vest 0.99

00:04:25 and kills your whole team 0.99

00:04:26 because you weren't paying attention.

00:04:28 So that's the analogy that I say

00:04:30 about this integration of tech.

00:04:32 the more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system and the more

00:04:39 your personal safety is actually compromised. So, so I think there are two insights in what

00:04:45 you just said that hadn't really occurred to me. One is the nature of the system like cancer to

00:04:51 grow. It just, that's, that's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems is growth. That's the

00:04:57 center of our kind of business model national business model scale so like flock for example

00:05:05 i'm not even aware flock existed until fairly recently what's the growth of flock been like

00:05:10 yeah 2017 flock camera because it's camera it's singular it was just a camera for an hoa

00:05:19 and a homeowner's association a homeowner's association and the idea was like let's build

00:05:24 this camera. Let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we

00:05:31 are nine years later in scale, and there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise

00:05:36 the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 flat cameras across the United States.

00:05:44 So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's 0.65

00:05:50 some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it. Nine years later, it's 120,000 with billions

00:05:56 of reports every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions,

00:06:03 et cetera. Now, if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented, because other companies

00:06:07 are getting smart. Like again, if I start a company, the point is to scale, to grow, to

00:06:12 compete. So now we have a competing market of flock-like camera systems. So in the case of

00:06:18 California. Without the damaged brand name. Without the damaged brand name. I was thinking

00:06:22 about this when I was actually coming here because every time I drive through my town of

00:06:27 Hebrew City, Utah, there are a couple points in town where if you drive through the intersection,

00:06:33 you'll drop cell phone reception. And every time I drop cell phone reception, and I'm no signal

00:06:38 intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection and I see a

00:06:43 flock camera as soon as my cell phone drops. And I'm like, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's

00:06:47 interference. Maybe it's not even real, but I'm noticing more Flock cameras in my area.

00:06:53 Well, Flock would only have to change the form factor in the company name. Now, thanks to public

00:07:00 outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting, it's not likely to do that clandestinely. It's

00:07:07 going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the scale

00:07:12 that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas is now, now there are camera systems

00:07:19 operating, for example, looking for violations of code. So you imagine you live in a neighborhood

00:07:25 code violation. So code violations, like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not

00:07:31 supposed to, right? By the way, like if anybody's tracking these, these stories, um, most of the

00:07:38 code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas where they don't have an HOA

00:07:45 that's managing, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, oh, you have an RV in your

00:07:49 parking lot. That's not allowed. The guy's like, yeah, no problem. I'll just move my RV. Most of

00:07:55 it's not RVs. It's damaged fences. It's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor

00:07:59 neighborhoods. Apparently, they found thousands of code violations in a couple of days actually

00:08:06 bragging about it like we found all these code violations and now we can wrangle them in okay

00:08:12 it wasn't a problem before but now now you built the infrastructure to to uh to look at it and

00:08:18 assess it now it's a big problem you've created a lot more criminals you've created a lot more

00:08:23 criminals and so it's the idea like the the idea isn't what's happening now because right now it's

00:08:29 like yeah there's problems um in fact i have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen but

00:08:35 when you look at scale, Facebook was designed to be a social interactive way for college students

00:08:43 to communicate with one another. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child

00:08:49 exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at

00:08:55 child exploitation. We were looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one

00:09:00 Exactly. So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 different reported, there's probably more, situations where flock cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of flock cameras were damaged.

00:09:22 Vandalized.

00:09:23 Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people were upset.

00:09:28 Yeah.

00:09:29 How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions, the relationship with people. And when people look at tech, it's a bot. There is no victim.

00:09:49 When I take down a flat camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim.

00:09:54 I'm doing good.

00:09:55 And I'm not advocating for anybody to do this, to break the law.

00:09:59 But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion.

00:10:03 Because everything that's being integrated before, like Facebook from 2004 to present, scaled.

00:10:11 Except we don't need 20 years of scale.

00:10:14 When you have AI acceleration, and then the power, I think the benefit and one of the powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe, you see the potential of mass spikes in this graph, whereby you're going to have a lot of rebellion, insurgency, like you've never seen it before, patriotism, like you've never seen it before,

00:10:42 fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity.

00:10:49 You're getting me really excited, Mike Glover, I have to say.

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00:10:57 That's a theory.

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00:12:32 Pretty good.

00:12:33 I personally think that we're years off.

00:12:36 It's happening now, by the way.

00:12:38 there's pockets of resistance of people together doing things like hey where are the flock cameras

00:12:45 where are all the systems let's surveil the people who are actually doing and they're not

00:12:49 hurting people right they're just demonstrating that this is wrong and they're combating it

00:12:56 because legislatively there is no solution and that's my biggest fear by the way because i've

00:13:02 never been a political guy i can care less about what's going on in the white house because it's

00:13:06 not because you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy-wise. You should. You should be

00:13:10 informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God, and my community.

00:13:17 The fear I have now is for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah, a great state to live

00:13:24 in. My favorite state because I live there. I love it. I love the people of Utah. But for the first

00:13:31 time I'm seeing people like in Elderbox County or people in Ogden Valley fighting against property

00:13:39 tax, fighting against data centers, and the politicians that are appointed, elected in those

00:13:45 positions aren't listening for the first time. I was like, well, obviously, for five hours,

00:13:52 people protest and say, we don't want this. They're members of the community that were elected

00:13:58 by the people in that community,

00:13:59 they're not going to follow through with that.

00:14:01 That's my biggest fear

00:14:02 because I always tell people like,

00:14:04 you fight for your faith

00:14:06 and your family and your community.

00:14:08 I got a shirt that says,

00:14:09 God, family prepping in that order.

00:14:12 And so the fear is now,

00:14:15 it's like institutionally,

00:14:16 the federal government

00:14:17 doesn't have a lot of impact on your life.

00:14:19 It can, I'm a veteran.

00:14:21 I do a VA, it does.

00:14:22 But the reality is

00:14:24 the things that are going on in your backyard

00:14:25 are more significant

00:14:27 that you should be invested in.

00:14:30 And for the first time,

00:14:30 I'm seeing people combat,

00:14:33 argue, legislate,

00:14:35 and they're getting crushed.

00:14:37 I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax

00:14:38 went up 500%.

00:14:39 Like what?

00:14:40 Like 500%?

00:14:42 That's not nominal.

00:14:43 That's not like a small number.

00:14:44 That's a big number for working families. 1.00

00:14:46 You'll lose your house over that. 1.00

00:14:47 You'll lose your house over that.

00:14:50 And so I'm seeing that.

00:14:51 And so when people confronted

00:14:53 local legislative,

00:14:55 you know, the city council,

00:14:57 or whomever runs it, the local officials,

00:15:00 they just ignored them?

00:15:01 Box Elder County is a good example.

00:15:03 This data center that Kevin Leary got behind.

00:15:07 Look, the estimate is wild

00:15:10 because it's thousands of data centers,

00:15:13 but there's no real exact number.

00:15:16 The estimate's 4,000 to 5,000.

00:15:19 So if we take data centers that exist,

00:15:21 the one that exists, I forget what county,

00:15:24 it's in Utah, that Metta owns.

00:15:26 they're like advancing that and making it very large.

00:15:30 I'm talking about, I think it's like millions of acres.

00:15:33 It's like massive, massive build.

00:15:36 Box Elder County, they didn't stop the project

00:15:40 after all the outcry of support from the community

00:15:43 and the entire state of Utah and really the country

00:15:45 that was like, what are you guys doing?

00:15:47 They're like, it's in the middle of a field.

00:15:49 There's nothing there.

00:15:51 But the people of Utah don't want that.

00:15:54 So why are you doing it?

00:15:55 And they continue to fight it.

00:15:56 And I checked in yesterday on this project.

00:15:59 I talk about it nearly every other week on my show, on my podcast, and it's still going

00:16:05 forward.

00:16:05 And you're like, how is that possible?

00:16:08 Like, who are the people that are supporting this?

00:16:11 Where are they at?

00:16:11 Where are their voices at?

00:16:12 And what is their justification?

00:16:14 And then you find out there's like backdoor deals and a whole bunch of drama around it.

00:16:18 And bribery.

00:16:19 And bribery and everything else.

00:16:21 And so, even for me in Heber City, in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that.

00:16:31 But soon, you may feel the same.

00:16:33 You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state.

00:16:40 Eventually, because of the scale, the hyperscale of everything we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week.

00:16:46 That Flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw Flock cameras.

00:16:51 It's like, it might be at the intersection where you live, pointing at your house, because

00:16:56 they do that. 0.93

00:16:57 They point them at little girls' gymnastics events, which the CEO is catching crap for, 0.95

00:17:03 which he should.

00:17:04 And it's like, what are you guys doing?

00:17:07 And then when it does populate, what are you going to do?

00:17:09 Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan, you're not integrated in your community

00:17:14 because you're just kind of checked out.

00:17:15 Well, that's a problem because all your self-reliance that you've outsourced so easily is going to be affected and impacted.

00:17:26 So that's the second insight that really struck me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing.

00:17:39 It's a threat because it weakens you.

00:17:42 Yes.

00:17:42 Because you become reliant on it.

00:17:45 Mm-hmm.

00:17:45 And it's like the Google Map program, you know, and you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are.

00:17:55 And I mentioned this to you before.

00:17:57 We were talking about this at breakfast and you're the greatest line ever.

00:17:59 You said, after using Google Maps, you'll just like follow the line they give you under a sidewalk.

00:18:03 You'll drive to a shopping mall because you're just following it.

00:18:06 It says.

00:18:07 There's the line there. 1.00

00:18:09 And it's true.

00:18:11 I mean, if you think about it from this perspective, my experience is obviously the military.

00:18:17 I was in special operations and I was a sniper at one point.

00:18:20 When I was a team sergeant, had a group full of, a team full of like rock stars, right?

00:18:27 And they were all independently schooled in sniper operations.

00:18:32 They had to go to special forces sniper course, which used to be called SODIC, special operations target interdiction course.

00:18:39 uh delta snipers um special forces snipers ranger snipers in some cases go to this schoolhouse to

00:18:49 be qualified all my guys were qualified and meaning they were very competent in sniper

00:18:55 operations they knew how to use a sniper weapon system at one point for some reason and likely

00:19:04 it came top down, I was told, hey, we want to put a camera in your optic. And I was like,

00:19:11 for what? Like, why do you want a camera in the optic? It's like, oh, we want to be able to see

00:19:18 it. There's this technology and it integrates into the tactical operations center and we could

00:19:22 see it. And then I'm like, yeah, but I'm on comms. So if you think you're going to micromanage my

00:19:30 snipers through a camera with communications, there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two,

00:19:39 I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because

00:19:45 he's being viewed for a viewfinder. And because you don't like something you see,

00:19:51 you try to communicate, let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. 0.60

00:19:56 Like, let's not do that.

00:19:57 And then it never happened.

00:19:59 But that's an example of how this integration always works.

00:20:04 I mean, here's a great example.

00:20:06 The healthcare system, right?

00:20:08 The healthcare system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance,

00:20:15 a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that requires, I don't know, penicillin,

00:20:21 you have to go through a process, an entire system.

00:20:24 so our grandmothers our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine like

00:20:32 independency that's what it was actually holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was

00:20:36 life uh 100 years ago you had to be resilient because it was just life right there was no

00:20:41 pharma there was there was no there was no big pharma there was no big health care systems you

00:20:45 had to take care of yourself and your family you had to figure it out so when you look at

00:20:50 for example, the healthcare system. I actually just heard this last night flying here.

00:20:58 The third leading cause of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan,

00:21:03 which is a great podcast, by the way, it dropped yesterday. That podcast, they talked about a

00:21:09 number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical

00:21:15 malpractice in one year 251 000 people according to americans americans a quarter million americans

00:21:25 died in one year because of quarter million americans according to again you guys can look

00:21:29 this up according to the statistic they pulled up by john hopkins and i'm like okay and then i was

00:21:35 asking the question in my head where does that rank in leading causes of death but that's like

00:21:39 a that's a city that that's a city that's top three that's actually the third leading cause

00:21:44 of death if it was actually reported, but it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the

00:21:49 independent survey to look at the statistics. But if you integrate it, it's right behind

00:21:54 cardiovascular or basically any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America,

00:22:02 and cancer. I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot if it

00:22:07 wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice, which is wild, right?

00:22:15 So think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a

00:22:19 hospital late at night, and they talked about this, they articulated this, when a doctor has

00:22:25 been on shift for 12 hours, which is he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12

00:22:30 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's

00:22:36 making decisions, life or death decisions. And 250 plus thousand people, 251,000 people

00:22:42 apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you

00:22:49 in the name of safety, national security, whatever it may be. But the reality is because

00:22:53 institutions, I like this idea, men are sinners. Every man is a sinner. We all fall short.

00:23:02 When you align that into an institution, according to the Bible, the institution is for good.

00:23:09 You're supposed to have it for good.

00:23:10 The government is for good.

00:23:12 But what it does, I don't think institutions are evil.

00:23:16 I think people are inherently flawed and have no other expectation that they're not.

00:23:21 And then eventually the truth reveals itself.

00:23:23 Yes.

00:23:24 So all these institutions that we hope the best for, like many of my good friends say, hope is not a course of action.

00:23:30 eventually the truth reveals itself and they're broken now the problem is what we what do we do

00:23:36 with broke system broken systems that's another question but the reality is the dependency you

00:23:41 have on these systems across every single facet of the umbilical cord connected is failing so maybe

00:23:48 the better analogy is like the umbilical cord is connected to the mom who just started smoking

00:23:54 crack and if you want to prolong this yeah we know what that looks like we know the outcome

00:24:01 so you need to cut the umbilical cord and you need to start insourcing your own reliance

00:24:07 in order to survive and and i and i say that and i mean it i mean survive because more of

00:24:13 your dependency where people go well mike you just call 9-1-1 yeah but you'd be dead yeah but

00:24:19 what else would i do oh that's where our conversation on prepared to start i mean i

00:24:23 I feel like we should have learned this during COVID.

00:24:25 We probably should have learned it

00:24:26 during Hurricane Katrina, you know, 21 years ago.

00:24:31 You know, natural disaster occurs in a major American city

00:24:34 and the people whose job it is to help you just melt away

00:24:37 because they've got their own family problems.

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00:26:15 so but anyway but certainly covet where if you followed the official guidance your chance of

00:26:21 dying went up obviously um or of permanent injury went up so we're now on the cusp of

00:26:31 technological change it's like the one thing we know about it it's going to empower those systems

00:26:36 it's going to make them give them more control than they currently have

00:26:40 so what do you what do you like how do you prepare how do you become more self-reliant

00:26:45 in the face of that well i think the the easiest way to kind of start it is

00:26:52 have a conversation with your family you're the ones you love and and actually circumnavigate a

00:26:59 deliberate intentional plan to disconnect um and look i i i started teaching modern survival i'm not

00:27:08 a primitive survival expert.

00:27:10 I joke about it.

00:27:11 It's like,

00:27:11 I'm not going to teach you

00:27:13 to survive when you're

00:27:14 naked and afraid in the woods

00:27:15 because if you're naked

00:27:16 and afraid in the woods,

00:27:16 you've made a lot of mistakes, right?

00:27:19 You've screwed up a lot.

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00:27:21 That's a fair,

00:27:21 you know,

00:27:21 that's a totally fair question, Mike.

00:27:23 Yeah, so everybody thinks survival

00:27:24 is like the naked and afraid show

00:27:26 and all these things.

00:27:27 It's like survival for me

00:27:28 is like the modern take on it.

00:27:30 Well, if you're naked

00:27:30 in the woods alone,

00:27:31 it's also weird.

00:27:32 It's also weird.

00:27:33 Yeah.

00:27:34 There's a lot of things

00:27:34 that can get you.

00:27:36 And so I don't,

00:27:38 I look at that and I go, look, a modern survival take on this is you need to look at all the

00:27:44 institutions you're tethered to and figure out ways to start segmenting yourself away from them

00:27:50 and building your dependency. I mean, it's why I advocate, for example, for homeschool.

00:27:55 My kids right now are in a great school in the public education system in Utah for elementary

00:28:02 school. But when they get through the basics of arithmetic and everything else, and they're

00:28:08 advancing into social studies, I don't want them learning about things that I want them learning

00:28:12 about. So I'd like to homeschool them. We talked about protein. If you don't insource your protein

00:28:22 and there's any infrastructure threats whatsoever, which there are all the time, I mean, diesel's

00:28:26 higher than it's ever been. The infrastructure could have one impact or catastrophe and the

00:28:33 entire apparatus shuts down. I talk about this every week on Survival Dispatch with a group of

00:28:38 guys who are experts at this. And the general consensus is that one little thing can affect

00:28:45 the outcome of all the things that you're tethered to. So the Walmart down the road has a couple

00:28:51 weeks of supply. What happens when everybody goes, we learn this from COVID, and gets everything off

00:28:56 the shelf. It's empty. What happens if the truck that's driving down, they strike. The war in Iran

00:29:04 accelerates and that entire apparatus gets cut off. Then you don't have any food. If you don't

00:29:11 hunt, if you don't know how to hunt, if you've never gone fishing, if you haven't insourced

00:29:16 anything, maybe it's a good time to sit down and have the conversation with your family

00:29:20 and just start there with some basics.

00:29:23 It's not that complicated.

00:29:25 You mentioned homeschooling at first.

00:29:27 So that's a lot,

00:29:28 that's a much more complex system

00:29:30 than say getting protein.

00:29:32 Like you could stockpile.

00:29:34 Conceivably a year's worth of protein in your garage.

00:29:37 It's not that hard.

00:29:38 You could buy it on Amazon.

00:29:39 But you're thinking about separating yourself

00:29:42 from like a pretty basic system,

00:29:44 like education, public education.

00:29:46 Yeah.

00:29:47 Public education is an easy one

00:29:49 because we know all the drama

00:29:52 that's happened over the last few years,

00:29:54 especially with COVID, even with COVID.

00:29:55 California, they destroyed these kids,

00:29:58 likely long-term because they kept them out of schools

00:30:01 and social settings and kept them isolated.

00:30:04 I mean, like basically putting your children in solitary,

00:30:06 actually putting somebody else's children

00:30:07 in solitary environment.

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00:30:19 I have conversations with the principals of these schools.

00:30:22 I talk and walk them through their security plan.

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00:30:30 Another reason why it aggravates me

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00:30:34 when parents are trying to get into the school

00:30:36 to save their kids and you're keeping them out

00:30:38 because you're going to contain the area

00:30:41 and just let these kids die, right?

00:30:42 So the school system is a bigger problem.

00:30:47 But when I look at all the elements, for me, it starts with security because security is very intimately a part of my military experience.

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00:32:47 So, let's get specific about it. So, you've been, because of your job, in a lot of places that were

00:32:52 totally consumed by chaos, obviously. I mean, I don't know how many combat doors you did, but a lot.

00:32:58 total chaos. But most of those places I would bet are calmer now because people can't live

00:33:05 in chaos forever. So like food supplies are disrupted, for example, but, and some people

00:33:09 obviously are hurt by that, but over time they, they regrow the threat. It seems to me is the

00:33:17 initial spasm of chaos. So what do you do? Like, so you're at your house and there's an EMP and

00:33:26 there's no more electronic communications. Do you stay in place? What is the actual protocol for

00:33:31 the moment of crisis? It's a real good question. And I'll walk you through this, but I'm going to

00:33:37 back you up to a case study and an understanding of how this works. Virginia Tech, 2007. I was

00:33:46 there. Remember? I was physically there when it happened. Did you do the reporting on it? I did.

00:33:50 Yeah. Tragic circumstance. Unbelievable. This guy walks into this hall. It's basically dorm rooms and kills two people. He leaves that place. And this is fascinating because a massive error by Virginia Tech. Two hours later, he goes into another building that has school still in session.

00:34:14 Yeah. And it's obvious that they should have locked down and shut down the school. They did not. So he goes into this building and class is in session and he locks and chains the doors behind them. And he goes from room to room, killing every single student and faculty member he comes across.

00:34:34 In some rooms, he goes through and the percentage of people who were shot in the head, for example, was above 90%.

00:34:42 The overwhelming majority of them were basically assassinated, killed in place.

00:34:47 The acronym for an active shooting is RUN, HIDE, FIGHT.

00:34:52 There's many problems with that acronym, including the idea that where are you running?

00:34:59 Maybe assess the information or the situation.

00:35:01 I would hate for you to like lock yourself down in a building that's a mile away from where the shooting is taking place on the same campus, by the way, because campuses could be that large.

00:35:12 So you just lock yourself down, you know, run and hide into a closet a mile away from this while something's happening when you could have just ran an extra hundred feet to the parking lot and got in your car and drove away.

00:35:24 Anyways, so most of them died underneath their desk.

00:35:27 and part of the problem was there's many problems but the protocols were the problems

00:35:34 many students had no plan they didn't know what to do and so they shut the doors and then

00:35:41 barricaded them because they in some cases couldn't even lock the doors he just went in and shot up

00:35:47 the door and then opened the door and forced his way in and then killed many people in those rooms

00:35:51 32 people. Afterwards, he took his own life. When we look at that circumstance, there's an

00:35:58 interesting thing that happened that's noted in Amanda Ripley. She wrote a book called

00:36:05 Unthinkable, I believe it was called. A really good book. She talks about this one student

00:36:11 underneath the desk who thought he thought he was shot.

00:36:19 So he says and he reflects about this

00:36:22 that when the shooter came in, he was so scared,

00:36:25 he didn't know what to do.

00:36:26 So he froze and he thought to himself

00:36:29 that I'm going to pretend like I'm dead.

00:36:31 He thought he thought that.

00:36:33 And so he did.

00:36:34 And then he thinks he was bypassed.

00:36:38 And then everyone in that classroom

00:36:40 subsequently was shot many died and a couple survived at the end of it when it was time to

00:36:46 move he couldn't move he physically could not move his body and he thought to himself i was shot

00:36:52 i just don't remember or know when it happened i was shot and the point of that is he wasn't shot

00:37:00 and what what we often don't assess in these type of scenarios is how the nervous system operates

00:37:10 Yes.

00:37:10 Right?

00:37:11 There's something called hyperarousal.

00:37:13 I'm actually writing a book about this for my second book.

00:37:16 A book about hyperarousal?

00:37:17 Yeah, not that type of hyperarousal,

00:37:20 but fight or flight.

00:37:22 It's got a really bad rap.

00:37:24 There's a stigma associated with it

00:37:25 because it's like,

00:37:25 you don't want to go into fight or flight

00:37:27 because it's bad.

00:37:27 Everybody potentially will go in fight or flight.

00:37:30 I did in Afghanistan my first gunfight

00:37:33 because it actually wasn't a gunfight.

00:37:35 It was 107 millimeter rockets

00:37:37 and nobody prepared me for that.

00:37:39 like a freight train impacting the earth

00:37:41 with a large kill radius that was super loud and scary

00:37:45 and like everybody's going to die

00:37:46 and like I have to work through that.

00:37:48 I wasn't like calm and conditioned for it

00:37:51 because it wasn't the gunfight in the woods

00:37:54 like I was trained at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

00:37:56 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:56 And so he was hypo aroused,

00:38:00 which is the opposite of hyper aroused, right?

00:38:02 He was under aroused.

00:38:04 Why did that happen?

00:38:06 Well, it's something called,

00:38:07 I mean, some people call it the faint or fawn response.

00:38:10 It's actually called tonic immobility.

00:38:13 And tonic immobility in the process

00:38:16 of maybe spiking adrenaline and cortisol, norepinephrine.

00:38:21 I'm so scared, oh my gosh.

00:38:22 And then everything locks up, hypervigilant, hyperfocus,

00:38:26 blood shunting to large muscle groups.

00:38:29 I'm prepared to fight or flight.

00:38:31 But in this, it's the lull after the spike

00:38:34 whereby I'm immobilized.

00:38:38 And the tactic biologically,

00:38:40 or a lot of scientists discuss,

00:38:44 is that if you're a prey

00:38:47 and you're getting preyed upon

00:38:49 and you know you're going to die,

00:38:52 a last ditch effort is to collapse in place.

00:38:55 Maybe-

00:38:55 I have seen animals do this.

00:38:56 Yeah, maybe signaling to the predator

00:38:58 that you're sick, tainted, or maybe even dead.

00:39:01 And then a lot of predators feed off mobility,

00:39:04 off of movement. They want a live, I mean, my son's lizard. If I have a worm that's dead,

00:39:11 I'm like, here, eat this worm. He's just like, don't think so. But if it's like squirm and he's

00:39:16 like, oh, that's the trigger, right? So tonic immobility is what he went through. Well, they

00:39:21 don't tell you about tonic immobility is that it's a button. And once the button's pushed,

00:39:26 opiates, natural opiates dump into your body. And so the feeling of him like being sedated and I

00:39:32 can't move, it wasn't because of fear. I mean, fear might be the initiation device. It was because

00:39:39 of the process of tonic immobility. Women who are, and Ben could be in the category too, that are 1.00

00:39:45 sexually assaulted, often just talk about the idea that they were frozen in place, they couldn't do

00:39:51 anything about it, and they felt like they were sedated. And I wanted to fight, but I couldn't

00:39:56 fight and I feel guilty for it. You couldn't fight it. Your actual biological ancestral system

00:40:03 was designed to flip the switch for you to survive. To play dead. To play dead. So it's

00:40:08 not your fault, number one. Number two, that's how the process works. The whole point of that is

00:40:14 the button in us exists. And so if we don't understand and we can't manage stress and

00:40:21 understanding of how disaster works. Disaster is just an amplified version of stress. It's just

00:40:27 stress in a cloud that's suppressing our abilities. If we don't operate and condition ourselves for

00:40:34 that, then we're not prepared for any catastrophe. Because the first indication that something's

00:40:39 potentially happening or going wrong by intuition, by your senses, by your vagus nerve that's kind

00:40:46 of detecting the world around you, your palms might sweat and you might go, oh, I feel nervous.

00:40:53 Something's wrong. But our intuition is like, whatever, it doesn't matter. And then you see

00:41:00 the rock falling down the hillside and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Let me pull out my cell

00:41:04 phone and record it. We're losing our natural instincts and our intuition. And we're tethered

00:41:11 to, again, to the cell phone and technology that we think is going to bell us out. And it's not.

00:41:18 The reality is it's not. And so the whole montage, the reason for the montage is before we could

00:41:26 kind of understand what to do in catastrophe, we need to understand ourselves. Lastly, I mean,

00:41:31 think about your baseline. What is your baseline for reacting to everyday stress? Not to like the

00:41:39 catastrophe, but everyday stress, things you deal with. Most Americans' baseline, because of social

00:41:45 media, because of the cell phone, because of their obsessions with Lindsey Clancy and all the things

00:41:50 that are going on in the world, is our baseline has now changed. So whereby a primitive reaction

00:41:58 in fight or flight would be to fight the predator to survive, we're now bashing our heads against

00:42:06 the steering wheel, willing to get in a gunfight with another citizen of our town because they

00:42:13 cut us off. The dishes in the sink is triggering us. The way our kids talk to us, what they're

00:42:21 doing, trigger us. And so our baseline to manage trust overall is already affected and flawed.

00:42:28 So how are we going to manage a catastrophe? And I've seen it. I've been a first responder

00:42:34 are at the scene of accidents.

00:42:36 And I've seen people completely check out

00:42:38 and just drive by.

00:42:39 Like there's a guy flipped upside down.

00:42:40 He's hanging outside the vehicle.

00:42:42 There's smoke under the hood.

00:42:43 And you just drive by

00:42:44 because you got places to go.

00:42:47 Like I got things to do, man.

00:42:49 And then you don't even care

00:42:50 about your fellow citizen.

00:42:52 And so we don't have a good understanding

00:42:55 and baseline of our normal everyday life

00:42:57 because it's overwhelming to us.

00:43:00 Right.

00:43:00 So how are we going to contend?

00:43:01 So we're dulled, in other words,

00:43:03 by the adrenaline spiking images

00:43:07 that we're inundated with all day?

00:43:10 Exactly.

00:43:11 The baseline that we have,

00:43:12 the foundation of where we should be operating,

00:43:16 whereby you're parasympathetic,

00:43:19 you're rest and digest,

00:43:20 you're just hanging out.

00:43:22 Most of us are living anxious.

00:43:25 Most of us are living

00:43:26 in a sympathetic nervous response

00:43:28 with a reptile brain. 0.54

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00:43:32 and I'm like,

00:43:33 Have you ever come to terms with your spouse in an argument?

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00:43:40 Because your nervous system is overreacting.

00:43:45 You have cortisol on board, the stress hormone.

00:43:49 Your adrenaline is surging every time you hear something you don't like.

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00:46:16 Wait, you've asked people, married people,

00:46:18 you've never come to terms with, never resolved an argument? You've never resolved an argument

00:46:24 when you're elevated, when your central nervous system is spiked because it thinks it's in a

00:46:30 fight. When you walk away, which is the best tactic, and you breathe and your nervous system

00:46:36 calms down and then you come back, then the parasympathetic component, the cognition of

00:46:43 your brain, the decision-making of your brain is actually able to make a logical and reasonable

00:46:48 decision to communicate even. I mean, I teach a course called Decision Point where one of the

00:46:54 things I do is I scream at the person right in front of me. And often it's women. Women actually 1.00

00:47:01 have a decibel range in their registry that if spiked, they'll go into fight or flight immediately.

00:47:09 So for men, it's not the same.

00:47:12 If you see men's reacting to drill sergeants

00:47:18 in basic training,

00:47:19 having graduated basic training

00:47:21 at 17 years old at Fort Benning,

00:47:23 no problem with guys screaming in my face. 1.00

00:47:27 But a woman, once that decibel range spikes, 1.00

00:47:31 once the red line is hit, 1.00

00:47:33 immediately cortisol is dumped,

00:47:36 adrenaline surges.

00:47:38 And then they're in reptile brain.

00:47:39 They're in sympathetic nervous response.

00:47:41 They think they're fighting for their brain.

00:47:42 What does that look like?

00:47:44 Well, typically it looks like a lot of hyper-focus.

00:47:49 Cognition shuts down

00:47:50 because it disconnects from the brain.

00:47:52 Look, the brain is a liability to survival primitively.

00:47:56 Of course.

00:47:57 Right?

00:47:58 But now we have, again,

00:48:00 this tethering of all of these institutions, for example.

00:48:04 um one of the first things that you should likely do in a situation outside of fighting

00:48:10 in the circumstance is reaching out to 9-1-1 right call 9-1-1 get get ems rolling right we

00:48:17 want them rolling in route and not even stressful situations fender benders people can't even

00:48:24 talk to the police i mean it's true they can't communicate basic information because they're so

00:48:30 surged with that so what i just ultimately what i tell people is like if if you can't balance the

00:48:35 things in your everyday life because you can't manage the stress you're going to have a hard

00:48:40 time managing the gunfight the catastrophe yes yes just to go back to something you just said

00:48:46 when you scream at women you get close to them and scream like what do they slap you do they

00:48:51 seem paralyzed how do they respond varying responses i mean i do this obviously formally

00:48:56 in classes uh one of the points of decision point is we focus so much on the self-defense act the

00:49:03 drawing of the gun and exactly the act too much emphasis because there are many steps including

00:49:09 recognizing the go slash no-go criteria for what my decision making is exactly to use deadly force

00:49:17 right i need that kind of understanding i need that oodle loop of understanding of how i'm going

00:49:22 assess this information. And so what I tell people is like, you know, it's a 70 degree day.

00:49:27 You're shooting on a flat range, no obstacles. It's a beautiful day. You're creating a hole with

00:49:33 your bullets on the target. You're shooting the bullet through the hole you created. Congratulations. 0.94

00:49:38 That's not at all how a gunfight works. That's not combat. That's not catastrophe. So when I

00:49:44 scream at the person, I'm eliciting their neurological response to me screaming. In some

00:49:51 cases, I'll tell you about this lady who came in my class. And if I run an all-women's class, 0.99

00:49:58 you'll get the majority of the women that are in that class wanting to go through the training to 0.98

00:50:03 empower themselves, which I applaud them for. For sure. Because men just show up because they 0.99

00:50:08 want to take a picture with Mike Glover and like, hashtag, shoot better than Mike, whatever it is,

00:50:13 like cool guy stuff, right? But women go there because they actually want to repair something 1.00

00:50:17 that potentially was broken 1.00

00:50:19 or they saw something happen.

00:50:22 And I didn't realize this

00:50:24 until after this experience.

00:50:26 One of my scenarios

00:50:27 had to do with ATM machines.

00:50:29 So the disadvantage of ATM machine,

00:50:32 especially at night,

00:50:33 is you're blinding yourself

00:50:35 with the ATM LCD display

00:50:37 and then you're in darkness.

00:50:39 Your back's completely exploitable

00:50:41 and you're taking money out.

00:50:43 And if the bad guy is going to get you,

00:50:47 He's going to get you in that moment

00:50:48 where you're staring at a machine

00:50:50 trying to get money,

00:50:52 which you should never do

00:50:53 in the middle of the night

00:50:53 in a bad area, right?

00:50:55 It happens though.

00:50:56 If you look at the ATM thefts,

00:50:58 that's typically how it happens.

00:51:00 The majority, by the way,

00:51:01 of bad guy engagement,

00:51:04 anything happens at night,

00:51:05 by the way.

00:51:06 It doesn't happen in daytime,

00:51:07 but we train 99% in the daytime,

00:51:09 but that's another thing.

00:51:11 So in the scenario,

00:51:13 I walk up behind her

00:51:14 with a simunitions pistol.

00:51:15 So it's a pistol that shoots basically a piece of plastic, right?

00:51:22 It hurts, but it obviously doesn't injure you or kill you.

00:51:27 And you have to wear protective equipment.

00:51:29 I walk up to her and she's staring at an iPad that's simulating an ATM. 0.96

00:51:34 And I shove the gun in her back.

00:51:36 And I tell her some expletives that I would never communicate to anybody and act like a bad guy. 0.98

00:51:43 but I do so yelling at her and telling her I'm going to hurt her.

00:51:48 And immediately she breaks down into the fetal position and starts crying because I triggered 0.92

00:51:54 her trauma. And often, and we talked about this a little bit, especially as it relates to

00:51:59 psilocybin and some of the things, when you have trauma and it's in you, it's dormant.

00:52:08 and there is a trigger device attached to that.

00:52:14 Like imagine your trauma is like a bundle of TNT,

00:52:16 not C4 because that's more stable,

00:52:19 like wet TNT.

00:52:21 There's an initiation device,

00:52:24 maybe a plunger because that's a good analogy,

00:52:26 like the plunger.

00:52:27 That exists.

00:52:29 And if you're not managing or conditioning

00:52:31 or understanding that trauma,

00:52:34 that trauma could be the liability that's on standby.

00:52:38 when catastrophe strikes.

00:52:40 And so at the moment,

00:52:42 at the precipice of decision point,

00:52:44 where you're like,

00:52:45 I got a plan

00:52:46 because I talked about it,

00:52:47 rehearsed it in my head,

00:52:48 and I'm going to do

00:52:48 all this cool guy stuff.

00:52:49 And then the trigger is met.

00:52:51 You have no option.

00:52:52 It's plunged.

00:52:53 And then it blows up.

00:52:55 And then that switch

00:52:56 we talked about,

00:52:56 the button,

00:52:57 the tonic immobility, 0.96

00:52:58 that's what happened to her.

00:53:00 And so I picked her up

00:53:01 and I turned on the lights 1.00

00:53:03 and all the women there 1.00

00:53:04 were like in shock.

00:53:06 And I had never seen

00:53:07 anything like this before. I'm learning about this as I go. I'm almost doing like studies on people

00:53:13 and taking data points in my head at least. And I take a step back and I pick her up and I'm like,

00:53:18 oh, I'm like, why did this happen? She told me she had been a victim of assault in a similar

00:53:25 scenario with a pistol, feeling helpless, likely in a state of hypo arousal. And so I walked her

00:53:33 through it i coached her we trained she built the confidence and we did the same exact drill 1.00

00:53:39 just a walk through version of it and she turned she pulled the pistol over waistband and she shot

00:53:45 me in the stomach with protective equipment on and afterwards she said when she broke those shots it

00:53:51 was like you ever heard the dream where you have the gun and you can't you pull the trigger nothing

00:53:55 happens oh yeah or you're gonna punch and then you're punching the person and it's not having

00:53:59 an impact or effect, she said she was stuck in that loop for years. And then when she pulled

00:54:05 the trigger and was able to break the shot in my stomach, it released something. But the reality is

00:54:12 she was just conditioning herself out of trauma for conditioned stress to be able to work through

00:54:19 it. And I know that's a long-winded version of it, but the reality is we focus in preparedness

00:54:25 on technical capability for sure when that's the easy part that you earn those reps on your own

00:54:32 work through that on your own you got that the hardest part is understanding the infrastructure

00:54:36 behind it so there's a lot going on in the world as we often say a new war in the middle east

00:54:41 closure of the strait of hormuz the global energy crisis if you're not convinced that you have an

00:54:48 obligation to think about the future nothing will stability can disappear really really quickly

00:54:54 That's unfortunately true.

00:54:56 Most Americans have no idea where the basic necessities of life actually come from,

00:55:00 but we can tell you this, probably not your backyard, and that's a problem.

00:55:04 Global supply chains are unreliable, so you need to make sure you've got what you need

00:55:08 to protect your family if the system is break down.

00:55:10 And they could.

00:55:11 Not forever, but they could definitely break down.

00:55:14 And that is the reason that we built Last Country Supply.

00:55:17 We're not crazy, okay?

00:55:19 We're not living in bunkers, but people need to think about self-reliance, becoming self-reliant

00:55:26 on the most basic needs, food, water, energy, light.

00:55:30 So whether you're a seasoned prepper or simply want to become more self-sufficient, and both

00:55:34 are great, go to lastcountrysupply.com slash Tucker for supplies you can trust, things

00:55:40 you will need when you need the most.

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00:55:46 people are paralyzed by their the stress of an unexpected emergency yeah i think anyone who's

00:55:54 ever been in a situation like that is like amazed by just the physiological response to it like oh

00:55:59 you can't talk you can't move yeah and it doesn't have to be the gunfight no it could be like

00:56:04 somebody calls you and tells you you know your family member was diagnosed with cancer yeah

00:56:09 or you're getting a car crash or whatever.

00:56:11 But I think everyone has had an experience like that.

00:56:14 So you think technology leaves us

00:56:17 less prepared for moments like that?

00:56:19 Less resilient overall.

00:56:21 I mean, as a nation,

00:56:22 there's many reasons why we're not resilient,

00:56:24 but less resilient overall.

00:56:26 How does AI affect this picture?

00:56:29 It wants to automate everything.

00:56:32 And so if you look at the AI integration,

00:56:35 the biggest risk by experts, not me, by experts,

00:56:39 is that it makes us not want to use our brains.

00:56:43 And the default, so like the analysis from an AI expert

00:56:47 is like the everyday mathing and statistics

00:56:51 and the things that you do.

00:56:53 But we're not considering catastrophe or contingency, right?

00:56:58 So in a perfect world, AI is basically setting us up for failure

00:57:02 because we become lazy.

00:57:04 But what happens if we become lazy and part of the,

00:57:09 foreign adversary analysis is we're exploitable oh we're complacent more complacent than we've

00:57:17 ever been oh and the idea that like foreign adversaries aren't investing in making us more

00:57:23 complacent that's been proven that they did that they've been doing that forever spy games decades

00:57:31 ago now integrating into every single facet of social media to do it and they're playing the 0.76

00:57:38 long game i mean china has a 5 000 year plan we have we're living day to day just getting by 0.77

00:57:45 depending on everybody else's manufacturing and origin story and process and so that's the problem

00:57:53 with ai integration is it's not what it does to us by making us lazy it's what happens when we're

00:57:58 lazy complacent and completely exploitable then you're vulnerable of course we're completely

00:58:05 But also, I mean, indolence is bad.

00:58:11 Luxury is poison over time.

00:58:13 If you stay in bed all day, you get bed sores.

00:58:16 Yeah.

00:58:17 You have to, you need resistance to stay human, don't you?

00:58:21 You need friction.

00:58:22 Right.

00:58:22 The most often question that I get is typically built around resilience and how can I become more resilient?

00:58:31 and i had the luxury and it was a luxury because i volunteered for it all you know i was a

00:58:38 infantryman i went to ranger training airborne training green beret training i was a guard at

00:58:45 the i don't know if you know this i was a guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier really yeah

00:58:48 must be a very handsome man for that job i was handsome minus the beard

00:58:53 because i do think like appear you know they all the guys look squared away at that yeah i was i

00:58:59 was I was squared away at some point and I did that and the nature of my job and my duties and

00:59:07 responsibilities were difficult and so everything I went through I was voluntold that you're going

00:59:15 to do and it build resilience and then I there's something magical that happens and a lot of my

00:59:23 the peer group, the Andy Stumps, the Evan Hafers,

00:59:26 the Jockos, Sean Ryan talks about it.

00:59:31 Like if you wanna build resilience, you do hard things, right?

00:59:34 When you do hard things,

00:59:36 there's something that happens though.

00:59:38 I actually think there's a gene for this.

00:59:40 It's a mechanism of survival for sure over time.

00:59:45 I mean, if me and you,

00:59:46 we're like sitting here comfortably in this beautiful place,

00:59:49 if it wasn't for the sacrifice of all the men and women

00:59:54 that bred our DNA before us,

00:59:59 we wouldn't be here living in luxury.

01:00:02 It's because of their resilience, adversity,

01:00:06 fighting through the most difficult of times.

01:00:09 A teenage girl gave birth in a cave during a snowstorm

01:00:11 to make this possible.

01:00:12 A hundred percent.

01:00:13 Yeah, a lot of them.

01:00:14 And we won the life lotto

01:00:17 Because we're born in America

01:00:19 and we have this amazing opportunity and we're here

01:00:23 when the majority of the world does not have that.

01:00:27 And so if you kind of backwards assess it,

01:00:30 it's because of the resilient that was built over time.

01:00:34 And what happens magically

01:00:36 when you actually execute on these,

01:00:40 I think natural desires,

01:00:41 like my sons are warriors.

01:00:44 i didn't teach them to be warriors they pick up sticks and start fighting each other like they're

01:00:51 spartans yeah and it's ingrained in them i didn't say hey do this like my son's my beautiful son

01:00:58 leland's uh leland's such such a beautiful name my daughter's name is isla and then i've been in

01:01:04 penelope but leland for his third birthday last weekend i bought him a spider-man pinata which

01:01:12 is awesome got a big spider-man head upper torso and he's like what the he doesn't know what it is

01:01:18 it's like part of a body of spider-man his favorite character i said no there's candy in it he's like

01:01:22 okay and i hand him a stick never seen a piñata in his life and he walks over to spider-man without

01:01:28 prompting and knocks the head off it like he's like a professional baseball player and then he

01:01:33 just shoves his hand in the neck of the spider-man head that he just knocked off he shoves his hand

01:01:39 in the neck and pulls out candy but you and you never told him to decapitate spider man never told

01:01:43 him to he didn't know anything about it and he literally naturally looked at it and went okay 0.72

01:01:49 he beheaded on instinct he beheaded on instinct stuck his little his actually fat little hand

01:01:55 inside of the neck and pulled out candy and started grubbing um it's so great and it's just

01:02:02 it's it's in this it's ingrained and so when you start doing difficult things you start wanting to

01:02:07 do more of that and and i love that like when i go camping with my kids like they love it

01:02:12 i love it and it's uncomfortable but when they get settled in comfort they have a desire to go

01:02:18 back into being uncomfortable 100 i go camping every week actually same every week every off

01:02:25 going thursday afternoon yep yes and for exactly that same reason you know alone with my dogs

01:02:32 Because I, for exactly that same reason, it's so deeply atavistically satisfying.

01:02:37 Like there's something hard to describe, but that is really important that roots you.

01:02:42 Yeah.

01:02:43 And think about where AI technology.

01:02:45 It's the opposite of that.

01:02:47 Yeah.

01:02:48 It's French toast in bed forever.

01:02:50 Forever.

01:02:50 We're more satisfied with the alternate reality we're creating online than we are the reality,

01:02:56 reality that we live in our daily lives.

01:02:59 And everybody's paying the price for it.

01:03:02 our relationships our relationship with god our relationship with our children and and and we're

01:03:08 completely disconnecting and we talk about it on podcast but nobody actually has the discipline to

01:03:16 live it and to to actually create parameters that's going to fix and maintain or retain some

01:03:23 balance in your life do you think it leads to a grave unhappiness too yeah i get that i don't

01:03:31 don't think i'm imagining that i think not having enough um well hard work not having the ability

01:03:40 to do things for yourself lacking self-reliance being served luxury basically living in the

01:03:47 ottoman harem makes you suicidal after a while uh lindsey clancy popped in my head because

01:03:53 she was privileged yeah she had a nanny she had a beautiful home a seemingly loving situation

01:04:02 with her family and for her it was the worst case scenario what's the suicide rate in rural

01:04:10 central africa versus the suicide rate in greenwich it's zero exactly it's zero it's

01:04:15 literally zero and so when you when you when you look at that type of scenario where we're at it's

01:04:20 like wow when we have it so good um we're the most unhappy we've ever been in human exactly

01:04:28 that's exactly right so why but now we're hearing from you know the heads of these companies

01:04:34 you know most of whom i know personally i don't i don't know that any of them you'd say is like

01:04:40 evil um even though i think they're doing evil but they don't seem evil personally to me they

01:04:45 love their children and all that, but their promise is more ease. They're like, no one's

01:04:51 going to have to work. Everyone's going to be rich. I mean, I don't believe that, but even if

01:04:54 it were true, would you want that? Every promise of every institution as a model of how business

01:05:02 works in the first place is to create an easier, fix the problem. What's the problem? This is the

01:05:10 problem, we have a fix for it. And we're going to build optimization and efficiency in your life

01:05:17 because of our service or our product. And the problem with that is every metric of friction,

01:05:24 as we described it, of resistance that moves us as human beings is now going to be compromised.

01:05:33 And so we need the friction. We need the resistance. And now we're manufacturing it.

01:05:36 cold plunge hot sauna i run on a treadmill in a room so right and so all of that resistance that

01:05:45 we could really want and have adapted to over time through evolution exists outside for the

01:05:52 most part right in remote areas of the world but this seems like a solution to a problem that

01:05:56 doesn't exist so basically they're saying like americans just do too much for themselves they

01:06:02 face too many i mean i don't know who they're speaking to not to me because i don't feel like

01:06:06 I do too much for myself.

01:06:08 I don't think my life is too hard.

01:06:09 I feel like my life is too easy.

01:06:10 I take everything for granted.

01:06:13 So when I hear someone

01:06:14 who runs an AI company saying,

01:06:16 you know, here's the good news.

01:06:18 You'll never have to do anything again.

01:06:20 I'm like, I don't know.

01:06:22 I didn't ask anyone to do that for me.

01:06:23 I don't want that.

01:06:25 Yeah, it's one of the problems,

01:06:26 but it's also like I talked about

01:06:29 in this rebellion

01:06:30 or this understanding of rebellion

01:06:31 and how it could potentially unfold.

01:06:34 There's a movement.

01:06:36 how can i join it you're part of the club i'm sorry i don't want to get arrested here no no

01:06:42 no no no we haven't done anything yet but if there's a meeting will you call me

01:06:46 i mean if you if you actually think about it think about the and i push this insistently

01:06:53 um if you think about the analog of even how i grew up in the 80s how you grew up in the 80s

01:07:02 and the things that you did right um everything was very manual i mean i have me and my wife have

01:07:10 old pickup trucks and jeeps because i like the visceral nature of how a manual vehicle makes me

01:07:18 feel standard transmission is liberation i completely i drive one i agree yeah i have a 71

01:07:23 ford highboy f-250 do you really have an 84 jeep scrambler cj8 i have a couple air-cooled porsches

01:07:32 that are just air-cooled manual analog very analog and i get it like there are some things ai is very

01:07:41 good for and like a lot of people were like it's a it's a liberal talking point well how about you

01:07:46 just settle down i'm not saying anything political there's nothing political about one so okay just

01:07:52 Just to explain, because I've had the same experience, but maybe people watching don't know what you're talking about.

01:07:56 So you're saying you've criticized AI or the tech tsunami about to crest over us.

01:08:03 And people you know have texted or called to say, hey, why are you repeating liberal talking points?

01:08:07 You're complaining about this technology.

01:08:09 Is that what you're saying?

01:08:10 Absolutely.

01:08:11 Okay, so I've had the same experience.

01:08:12 And what they're telling me is AI doomerism is a psyop.

01:08:18 It's all part of regulatory capture.

01:08:20 So like if you are worried about AI, you're playing into the anthropic demons plan for global domination because what they're really doing is partnering with the U.S. government to set up regulatory barriers against their competitors by scaring the crap out of everyone.

01:08:34 And the regulation they're calling for is actually like a form of protectionism that keeps their monopoly in place.

01:08:40 That's what they're arguing to me.

01:08:43 And, you know, I'm sure there's some truth in that.

01:08:45 But I also feel like, I don't know, inherently there's nothing to worry about.

01:08:48 Is that what you're saying?

01:08:50 And by the way, are you taking money

01:08:51 from any of these tech companies? 0.87

01:08:52 Because every freaking person I know 0.86

01:08:53 is taking money from a tech company, I've noticed. 0.93

01:08:55 Sorry, it's making me mad thinking about it.

01:08:57 And so like there are a lot of dishonest

01:08:59 talking points flying around.

01:09:01 Do you feel this?

01:09:03 I've been on the other end of it, just like you,

01:09:06 especially criticizing.

01:09:07 Well, so I don't even pretend to know

01:09:09 what the future holds, of course.

01:09:10 I have no idea.

01:09:11 So I'm like, I'm no expert on anything, like nothing.

01:09:15 But I just think these are legitimate concerns

01:09:17 and people are just way up in your face about it.

01:09:19 Why are you saying that?

01:09:20 I catch it the most with flock.

01:09:23 Who defended flock camera?

01:09:25 Well, it's funny.

01:09:26 There's chiefs of police.

01:09:28 There's officers that DM me and tell me how good flock is.

01:09:32 And they don't know the scale of flock or the history of flock.

01:09:34 It's very researchable.

01:09:36 I mean, you could Google it to understand just that baseline.

01:09:40 Like I just talked about the last nine years of scale.

01:09:42 Like this isn't something that we've always had or that was readily available.

01:09:47 This is something that has accelerated to hundreds of thousands of cameras that is now, for the first time, I think, being shown to be completely utilized and leveraged for evil, for bad things.

01:10:03 I mean, there are law enforcement officers. It's funny, I had an officer who DMed me and said, hey, flock isn't bad. It's a liberal talking point. You're just jumping on the bandwagon.

01:10:14 And I've had like a sheriff in California tell me the same thing.

01:10:18 He's advertised the same thing.

01:10:20 And I'm like, okay, so one, I'm a no expert at law enforcement.

01:10:26 I'm not, I have a undergraduate degree in law enforcement or criminal justice.

01:10:30 So I've studied law enforcement.

01:10:32 And when you look at what it is, it's a tool.

01:10:36 I get it.

01:10:37 It's a tool, but it's a tool that could be used for nefarious reasons, including tracking

01:10:42 your ex-girlfriend or-

01:10:44 16-year-old high school girls that you're into because you're a school resource officer.

01:10:49 True story. 0.98

01:10:49 This is not manufactured.

01:10:50 These are stories that populate it.

01:10:52 And he said, there's no proof of that.

01:10:54 I looked it up and found six stories in the last week of officers being arrested.

01:11:00 And some that are just being punished, but arrested.

01:11:03 But think about if you're the...

01:11:04 Mike, so you're saying that people use technology for creepy reasons?

01:11:07 Are you really saying that?

01:11:08 I think it can be used for that.

01:11:11 I think that's where it heads.

01:11:12 What?

01:11:12 The second the cell phone camera was invented,

01:11:15 like that's the only thing it was used for.

01:11:18 Yeah.

01:11:19 Stop.

01:11:19 I mean, think about the,

01:11:20 so if we just take the flock thing

01:11:23 and you just talk about any segment of technology

01:11:26 with the integration of AI,

01:11:28 it accelerates everything that potentially could go wrong

01:11:32 and violation of civil liberties or constitution

01:11:35 or civil rights as human beings.

01:11:38 And so that's what's scary for me

01:11:39 Because, you know, now the algorithm will detect and, you know, pull over the person that thinks it's the bad guys.

01:11:48 And then they wind up killing an innocent family.

01:11:50 That hasn't likely happened yet.

01:11:52 I haven't read that that's happened.

01:11:54 But the pulling over of innocent people and them being treated like criminals is happening all the time.

01:12:00 Predictive policing.

01:12:01 Predictive policing.

01:12:02 Oh, and by the way, that officer messaged me.

01:12:04 I wanted to message back and say, look, you're actually advocating for something that's going to have your job.

01:12:09 Well, that's the other thing, right?

01:12:11 There's a specific reason.

01:12:12 I can't articulate this, but I understand it.

01:12:15 And I don't know the, maybe you have a better example,

01:12:18 but there are some things that just need to be slow.

01:12:21 There only needs to be one ranger in a national park.

01:12:24 Because if you have an automated system

01:12:26 of tons of rangers and tons of violations,

01:12:31 oh, by the way, AI and these camera companies

01:12:34 are using them to detect people

01:12:36 who are catching too many fish in the water.

01:12:39 right so it used to be john who's the national park ranger who walks over and is like hey man

01:12:44 get your license yeah sure buddy no problem they're surveilling trout they're surveilling

01:12:48 national parks in some places and they're they're they're they're catching them or they're trying

01:12:55 to catch people's exceeding their fishing limit can you take out one of these cameras with a 308

01:13:00 or a smaller caliber 300 wind mag would be preferred it's too loud no well that's beyond

01:13:07 transonic and subsonic, you could be about a thousand meters away. Suppressed.

01:13:13 Someone at the table was a sniper at one point, I can tell.

01:13:16 Never advocating for that. Never advocating for that.

01:13:19 Yeah, I'm very close to advocating for that. Well, that is crazy. I had no idea that was even

01:13:22 happening. But your assessment is like so basic. It's wise. I don't want to detract from it,

01:13:28 but it's so obviously true that technology will accelerate pre-existing tendencies

01:13:34 in the society

01:13:36 and in the people

01:13:37 who comprise it.

01:13:38 So like if people

01:13:39 are a mixture of good and bad

01:13:41 and they're altruistic

01:13:42 but they're also greedy

01:13:43 and cruel or whatever,

01:13:44 all of that

01:13:44 will be magnified

01:13:45 by any technology, right?

01:13:47 Of course.

01:13:48 Yeah.

01:13:48 That's what you're saying,

01:13:49 I think.

01:13:50 It is.

01:13:51 And so we should just be on guard

01:13:52 for those predictable consequences.

01:13:55 And you say that to someone

01:13:57 and they say what?

01:13:57 That's a liberal talking point?

01:13:59 Yeah.

01:14:00 They say it's a liberal,

01:14:01 like I criticize Ford Motor Company

01:14:03 and

01:14:04 And I did so because Ford Motor Company's CEO has this diabolical plan to integrate cameras, including inward-facing cameras, especially for commercial contracts, that if it's not the driver or if the driver seems impaired, it will just contact authorities for you.

01:14:23 So you have surveillance in your car.

01:14:25 Surveillance in your vehicle.

01:14:26 Looking inward-facing.

01:14:28 So how about no?

01:14:29 How about like obviously no?

01:14:30 Yeah, so if you made this into a movie, it would be like a segment of the population that reads my book, Prepared, that's driving old pickup trucks and living very analog and refuse to integrate with technology and part of a rebellious militia.

01:14:43 It's one literally outside my door for this exact reason.

01:14:46 100%.

01:14:46 I sold my F-150.

01:14:49 I had a Raptor.

01:14:50 Got a great interest rate from Ford Motor Company.

01:14:53 And I was like, yeah, I'll get a Raptor.

01:14:54 It'd be cool.

01:14:55 I can do some content on it, do some stuff.

01:14:56 I was backing out of my driveway in Hebrew city, which is evolving and developing like no other

01:15:03 town. It's actually one of the top towns in development, not, not, not happy, um, for most 0.99

01:15:09 people in Hebrew city, if you're living there. Right. And so the development behind my house

01:15:15 is massive. So all the traffic is going one way. I go to back out of my driveway with my kids,

01:15:21 At that time, I had two children with me.

01:15:24 And as we back out, the truck just stops in the middle of the road.

01:15:30 And I'm like, what is like, and I go to move back and it won't go back.

01:15:34 So there's a car coming.

01:15:35 And I'm like, oh my gosh, what's happening?

01:15:38 It won't back up.

01:15:39 And it's beeping at me.

01:15:40 I put it in drive and I drive back in my driveway like, what's going on?

01:15:43 The sensor on the back rear right bumper was dirty.

01:15:46 And at the intersection, probably 500 meters away, there was a car and it caught likely

01:15:52 because it's infrared, a reflection that triggered the sensor that was dirty and locked me down,

01:15:59 shut me down in the middle of the road.

01:16:01 If there was a semi truck with an impaired driver or just somebody not paying attention,

01:16:06 I would have got T-boned in the intersection right in front of my house because of the

01:16:10 tech integrated into my truck.

01:16:12 I immediately got rid of that truck.

01:16:14 And I was like, I'm not going to risk that.

01:16:15 I did the same thing.

01:16:16 And I bought a 1997 Ford OBS 7.3.

01:16:20 Yeah, if you're interested,

01:16:22 anyone who drives pickup trucks,

01:16:23 at least for Chevys, which I drive,

01:16:26 the Silverado, I think the last year

01:16:28 that preserves human autonomy is 2018.

01:16:32 I can confirm that.

01:16:34 I mean, maybe a few subsequent years.

01:16:37 But after that,

01:16:38 you don't make the decisions in the vehicle.

01:16:40 So I had a 2023 Silverado,

01:16:42 kind of a cool vehicle in some ways.

01:16:44 I sold it in a month

01:16:46 because of reasons like that.

01:16:47 It's like, no, it's, I'm driving.

01:16:49 Yeah.

01:16:49 Like, who's dad here?

01:16:51 Yeah.

01:16:51 Are you really giving me orders?

01:16:52 I thought you were a machine.

01:16:53 Like, what are we doing?

01:16:54 And it's, for those who think

01:16:57 it's a liberal talking point,

01:16:59 let me just back up.

01:17:00 A liberal talking point?

01:17:01 A liberal talking point. 0.88

01:17:02 They think it's a liberal talking point. 1.00

01:17:03 Who's writing this crap? 0.99

01:17:04 They're like, you're going against Ford. 1.00

01:17:05 It's an American company.

01:17:06 It's affecting American jars.

01:17:08 Okay.

01:17:08 In what sense is Ford

01:17:10 an American company anyway?

01:17:11 So if you back out of that,

01:17:13 the reason all these things are happening is because the mining of data data is the currency

01:17:18 of course so when you get a ford a brandy truck um i know ford does it for sure most manufacturers

01:17:25 will likely do it you have to get the app integrated into the vehicle yeah and it downloads

01:17:30 it downloads everything it's because you never know if somebody steals your truck well you don't

01:17:34 need a law enforcement officer to go investigate a stolen vehicle because you have a app that

01:17:39 geotags it for you but like you can't do anything i mean there's youtube integration in the dash of

01:17:44 the vehicle like no thanks i don't want youtube when i'm driving in the middle of my integration

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01:18:54 You said you're not political,

01:18:56 and God bless you for that.

01:18:57 There's no upside in being political.

01:18:59 There's no upside in following a lot of the stuff.

01:19:01 I say to someone who has followed it for my whole life,

01:19:04 you don't get much out of it.

01:19:05 But if there is any reason to have a conservative party, whatever you call it, Republican Party or any name for it, but conservative, it's to oppose stuff like this.

01:19:14 It's to defend human beings against the machine.

01:19:17 It's to try to preserve some measure of human autonomy, personal sovereignty.

01:19:22 Why else would you have conservatism other than that? 0.94

01:19:26 And so for them to tell you it's a liberal talking point to say you don't want to be spied on in your own freaking truck is beyond belief. 0.88

01:19:32 What do you say to that? 0.76

01:19:34 I like to speed sometimes.

01:19:36 Yeah, of course.

01:19:38 And that's a very American thing.

01:19:40 A very American thing.

01:19:41 There's legislation in California right now

01:19:43 that's trying to get rid of basically all the classic cars.

01:19:47 And Jay Leno, who's been-

01:19:48 Get rid of the classic cars?

01:19:49 Jay Leno's actually came out of his hibernation,

01:19:52 out of his cave with all his cars to talk about this,

01:19:54 which I'm proud of Jay for doing this

01:19:56 because he's going against the system that's trying to take-

01:20:00 He's a very nice person at whatever his faults.

01:20:02 they're they're trying to take away the entire classic car um uh culture that's been built in

01:20:09 california because only for 100 years it's not a big deal yeah not it completely shaped the

01:20:14 american culture as a whole of course that's wow i didn't even so great deal is buying um classic

01:20:21 cars out of california right now because they're trying to pass legislation to basically ban

01:20:25 and it evolves around emissions

01:20:28 and these green movements.

01:20:30 Like a flathead motor's immoral or something.

01:20:33 Yeah, yeah, like it's killing all the birds.

01:20:35 And so you got to get rid of those vehicles.

01:20:37 Meanwhile, there's more pollution in California

01:20:39 than any state.

01:20:40 It's the most physically defiled state. 0.96

01:20:42 It's filthy.

01:20:43 Yeah.

01:20:43 And so you're letting people

01:20:45 use the sidewalk as a latrine

01:20:47 and, you know, die in public parks 1.00

01:20:49 and every public library smells like urine.

01:20:53 and you're lecturing me about pollution, really?

01:20:55 Yeah, and taking away part of culture, American culture. 0.76

01:21:00 But the dirtiest people in the world are calling you dirty.

01:21:03 It's like, no, I'm not playing along with this.

01:21:05 They don't have a problem with Skid Row,

01:21:06 but you got a problem with a car show full of classic cars.

01:21:09 Or drug cartels pouring poison.

01:21:11 The whole northern part of the state is a Superfund site 1.00

01:21:15 because of foreign weed cartels

01:21:19 that use banned chemicals to grow marijuana in the state.

01:21:22 And if you don't believe that, go to Mendocino County.

01:21:26 Anyway, whatever.

01:21:27 But that's just crazy that they're doing that.

01:21:29 It's wild.

01:21:30 It's wild.

01:21:30 And it hurts.

01:21:31 And it's like, again, I think a lot of Americans will be forced, like me, to go analog in a lot of parts of their life.

01:21:42 Whether they deliberately, intentionally do it or because they want to get away from the tech.

01:21:46 Like, there needs to be some form of balance.

01:21:48 I mean, not everybody lives in Silicon Valley or wherever this is happening.

01:21:54 I don't even know, Salt Lake City, maybe that's happening there.

01:21:56 But not everybody wants to live without resistance.

01:22:00 I want to feed my chickens and my goats and drive my pickup truck.

01:22:03 So as you talk to people, I mean, obviously, we all live in like a slice of the country,

01:22:08 right?

01:22:08 We live in our own worlds, our self-created worlds.

01:22:10 But so with that caveat, when you talk to people about technology, do you get the sense

01:22:17 that people you know are hopeful about it

01:22:19 or they're threatened by it.

01:22:21 So a report came out today, this morning,

01:22:24 that said that 70% of Americans that were surveyed

01:22:29 think that AI is going to be a problem.

01:22:33 And that is the general-

01:22:36 70%?

01:22:36 70%.

01:22:37 The overwhelming majority of Americans think

01:22:41 that AI is going to be a problem.

01:22:43 And I mean, when Sam Altman and Anthropic come out

01:22:47 and both say like, oh, we just had this huggy bear

01:22:50 or whatever situation where basically it breaks out itself

01:22:55 and starts operating and trying to figure out

01:22:58 how we're going to take over so we're not shut down

01:23:02 when it's doing things unilaterally without control

01:23:05 that's not even prompted, yeah, that's a problem.

01:23:07 And when the CEO of the biggest AI company comes out

01:23:10 and says, hey, we're pumping the brakes here

01:23:12 because something's happening that we weren't prepared for,

01:23:15 prepared for then you should be concerned as americans and everywhere i go when i speak to

01:23:21 people about preparedness when i talk to people online everybody overwhelmingly is concerned this

01:23:27 is not something that's in the minority well i mean just take a step back okay so the guy who

01:23:32 more than any other person is in charge of our future and that of our children sam altman is

01:23:37 this a normal person is this someone who shares your values is a guy who's been accused by his

01:23:41 own sister of molestation accused by the mother of one of his employees of murder i'm not saying

01:23:45 he did either one of those things.

01:23:46 I'm just saying,

01:23:47 that's the guy?

01:23:48 Really?

01:23:49 Of 350 million Americans,

01:23:50 that's the guy you put in charge

01:23:52 of the future of humanity?

01:23:54 Like, no.

01:23:57 Yeah, it's supposed to be

01:23:57 for the greater good.

01:23:59 I mean.

01:24:00 And a non-profit.

01:24:01 And now it's one of the biggest

01:24:03 profiting companies

01:24:05 at growth and scale

01:24:06 than any company in history.

01:24:10 This is a guy with nothing in common

01:24:11 with the average person.

01:24:12 No, not at all.

01:24:12 At zero.

01:24:13 Zero.

01:24:13 He's now creating reality for the entire nation and world.

01:24:19 Yeah, and we're buying into it.

01:24:21 I mean, the majority of the states are buying into the building of the infrastructure because it's a money grab.

01:24:27 So what do you do if you go to the local authorities whose job is to represent you and improve your life and listen to you and carry out your will because you are the owners, not them.

01:24:35 They're the employees, but they don't acknowledge that.

01:24:37 They give you the finger and just do what their donors tell them to do, which is the state of play.

01:24:41 Where does that leave you?

01:24:43 Like, what are your options?

01:24:45 You don't, like the idea of getting off grid

01:24:48 and going in the middle of the woods

01:24:49 and just living your life.

01:24:50 Well, we know how that worked out for Randy Weaver.

01:24:52 And that's not the option.

01:24:55 The option is fighting legislatively, legally,

01:25:00 until you can't.

01:25:02 And my fear is because of how quickly

01:25:05 this burn rate is going,

01:25:08 that till you can't is going to come sooner than we think.

01:25:11 Yeah.

01:25:13 I just couldn't agree with you.

01:25:16 Everything you've said,

01:25:17 I just couldn't agree with you more vehemently.

01:25:19 And it's actually hopeful that what you're describing

01:25:22 because you're describing solidarity of human beings.

01:25:26 So I just got one last category I want to,

01:25:27 thank you for doing this,

01:25:29 that I want to hit that's not related to your book,

01:25:31 but it's just interesting to me,

01:25:33 is you describe friends who've lived a life like yours,

01:25:37 been in an elite unit in the U.S. military,

01:25:39 served all these tours, combat tours,

01:25:42 and how they're thriving.

01:25:43 and you named a bunch of them.

01:25:44 And I think a lot of them are familiar to viewers.

01:25:46 Evan, certainly.

01:25:48 And they're all doing great.

01:25:50 But a lot of people famously who've lived that life

01:25:53 are not doing great at all.

01:25:54 And we both know a lot of those as well.

01:25:57 What's the difference?

01:25:58 Like, why does some guys who do eight combat tours,

01:26:01 totally well-adjusted, love my wife,

01:26:03 totally dialed into my job

01:26:05 and others just really seem on the brink of self-destruction?

01:26:08 Yeah, from my personal experience,

01:26:10 and it's personal,

01:26:11 And it's my personal opinion because, again, this is very anecdotal.

01:26:17 I mean, my experience with men and my organizations and all the things that we went through that would traumatize the average person by a long mile is that we're not traumatized by war.

01:26:31 I mean, the men that I associate that are my best friends that come from Evan Hafer, Green Beret, Andy Stump, former Navy SEAL DEVGRU operator, Sean Ryan, former SEAL.

01:26:46 Like many of these men are resilient because they grew up in good homes.

01:26:52 They grew up in good situations.

01:26:54 They joined for the right reasons.

01:26:56 they went through the training and all the experiences and had no problem with it because

01:27:01 they had it's not aptitude they just had the ability to reconcile um and they did so like

01:27:09 even me you know i i contend with this this this debate over like war and was it justified and all

01:27:14 the things but i know very intimately with most of my peers opinions thinking the same that the men

01:27:22 that we fought on the battlefield

01:27:24 were formidable foes and bad people.

01:27:29 I mean, they were killing Americans in some cases.

01:27:33 They were going after coalition forces.

01:27:38 But I also now full circle being old

01:27:41 and looking back on warfare like many veterans do,

01:27:44 go, man, was that necessary?

01:27:46 Was the whole thing necessary, obviously?

01:27:48 I'm more traumatized by that.

01:27:50 the big picture questions over which you had no control yeah no control versus the actual

01:27:55 engagements and the and the things that i saw in the battlefield but realistically most

01:28:01 people who suffer from trauma um that are in resilient natured conditioned jobs like special

01:28:09 operations which has all the psyche valves all the selection processes all the condition training

01:28:16 that's very difficult, obviously.

01:28:18 But they're a pretty fine mesh screen

01:28:20 at the beginning of the process.

01:28:21 I didn't fully realize that.

01:28:22 Like they screen,

01:28:23 they know who you are psychologically

01:28:25 by the time you start training.

01:28:26 Yeah, I actually thought about this

01:28:28 being a civilian

01:28:29 and I didn't get a job once

01:28:32 for the Department of Energy.

01:28:35 It's one of the only,

01:28:37 one and only civilian jobs I applied for.

01:28:39 And it was the head of Colorado's like DOE,

01:28:42 basically their power plants

01:28:45 throughout the state.

01:28:46 you got a pickup truck.

01:28:46 And I was like, sweet, you get a pickup truck.

01:28:48 I get to drive around in a truck

01:28:49 and check on these sites.

01:28:51 That sounds fun, actually.

01:28:52 It was cool.

01:28:53 It was like you had to have a degree

01:28:54 in Homeland Security.

01:28:56 I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security

01:28:58 in crisis response.

01:28:59 You had to have crisis response experience.

01:29:02 And not to brag, but just at the time,

01:29:05 I probably had more experience

01:29:07 than anybody that I knew.

01:29:09 Anybody I had worked with

01:29:10 in crisis response specifically.

01:29:12 And I was the guy.

01:29:13 Like this job was mine.

01:29:14 And then I found out after the application, when I was denied, it came down to me and another guy. I found out that at the application on the resume, when I put it, I was a sniper, that they looked at that as a liability, that I was the bad guy.

01:29:30 In fact, veterans get this all the time, by the way.

01:29:33 Veterans in family court,

01:29:35 veterans in any situation

01:29:38 where they're looked at post-traumatic stress.

01:29:42 Well, you don't know, he's a wild card.

01:29:44 Oh, he's a sniper. 0.99

01:29:44 He killed people for a living. 0.71

01:29:46 It's like, yeah, that was my job. 0.66

01:29:48 And I could have churched it up

01:29:49 and like redesign the verbiage

01:29:51 to make it seem like I was something,

01:29:53 a corporate long range executive,

01:29:56 whatever you want to put.

01:29:57 A threat elimination officer.

01:29:59 um teo yeah that was a teo so when when you look at that it's like most of the trauma that i see

01:30:08 after the fact and these guys that go and not in all cases um but they go to ibogaine psilocybin

01:30:14 etc they are dealing with traumatic injury um from before they came in the military from the

01:30:23 typically from their childhood really yeah i mean we deal with more injury more injury is a

01:30:27 significant component to this because across the board affects everybody that's most special

01:30:34 operations there's some component of moral injury there i lost a buddy i was i should have been

01:30:39 there um there was casualties we shouldn't took out whatever it was but before that it's my

01:30:47 experience that i wouldn't say the majority many of the men that i served with came from very broken

01:30:53 homes now i came from a broken home technically because it was separated but i had a very

01:30:59 beautiful and amazing mom uh still do my mom was korean um and live part-time with her and then

01:31:08 live part-time with my dad who was an amazing human being who kissed me uh uh and good night

01:31:15 and tucked me in every night like was a nurturing loving father and my mom was the same way and so

01:31:22 technically I was broken, but there are service members that I've served with who have significant

01:31:29 childhood trauma that I think, and I'll just say this out loud, that don't need to be going to

01:31:34 Ibogaine. They don't need to be going to psilocybin retreats because they're opening up a portal or

01:31:41 box or whatever you want to use that can exacerbate that trauma without a lot of parameters or

01:31:50 structure built to understand what it is in the first place.

01:31:54 Amen. I know. Boy, that comports with my instincts. Exactly. No one ever wants to say it

01:32:01 since Freud. We all assume that getting everything out is always the wise course,

01:32:06 but that's not always true. I mean, some things are subterranean for a reason. Do you really

01:32:11 want to revisit them? Can you fix them? Yeah. Yeah. You're messing with a spirit world. Just

01:32:18 to take a Young Guns quote,

01:32:21 a spirit world that we don't know a lot about

01:32:24 that depending on your capacity

01:32:27 to manage and deal with that can break you.

01:32:32 Oh, I've seen it.

01:32:33 Yeah.

01:32:34 I had the great advantage

01:32:35 of doing a lot of that stuff as a child.

01:32:37 By the time I was 17, I was like,

01:32:40 eh, I don't think I'm doing that again.

01:32:42 Because like, yeah, I learned this lesson early.

01:32:45 You know, not to brag.

01:32:46 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:47 But you know.

01:32:47 yeah yeah yeah there's some stuff yeah absolutely who know are we designed to understand in this

01:32:54 life everything that resides within us much less the things that exist unseen all around us i don't

01:33:00 know that we are yeah we're still interpreting the bible 100 i don't understand all of john

01:33:05 yeah like at all yeah so i was reading john this morning and still trying to figure it out me too

01:33:10 Yeah.

01:33:11 John eight.

01:33:12 What passage?

01:33:14 The truth shall set you free.

01:33:15 Yeah.

01:33:16 And the context where many people think that

01:33:20 the truth is like the truth by design

01:33:24 that we are confronted with in life,

01:33:27 but it has nothing to do with that.

01:33:28 It's the truth that Jesus is our Lord and savior.

01:33:33 He's preaching to the disciples,

01:33:34 but saying that basically I am the truth.

01:33:37 And if you're truthful about yourself

01:33:40 your relationship with jesus then you're separating yourself from sin and that will set you free yes

01:33:46 which oh i love get that gives me chills i do too i was trying to figure out i think it's john 13 i

01:33:53 probably have this wrong but it's in that range where lat he's jesus has raised lazarus from the

01:33:59 dead and the pharisees are totally panicked of course they take no like joy in the fact a dead

01:34:03 man dead for four days is like walking around in fact they want to kill lazarus but they all meet 0.89

01:34:08 council meets and they say, if he keeps this up, everyone will believe in him. True. And then the 0.86

01:34:16 Romans will destroy our nation and our temple. And I've read this a million times, but it struck

01:34:24 me. I was like, what does that even mean? If everyone believes in Jesus, the Romans, why would

01:34:29 I don't understand what that means, but I feel it's significant somehow. Anyway, probably read

01:34:34 that for the rest of my life and not understand it. Yeah. Which is part of the process.

01:34:38 Or inject yourself into that world and not be prepared and then deal with ramifications.

01:34:47 Yeah.

01:34:48 Yeah.

01:34:49 Mike Glover, a man who is prepared for ramifications, prepared is the book, A Manual for Surviving Worst Case Scenarios.

01:34:55 I really appreciate you doing this.

01:34:57 Thank you so much for having me.

01:34:58 Thank you.

01:34:58 Yeah, thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 28, 2026

Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

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