The Tucker Carlson Show - Max Blumenthal on His Iran Trip, Being Detained by Trump & the Globalist Chokehold on American Media

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00:00:19.960 Max Blumenthal, thank you for doing this.

00:00:23.600 So I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone that if you're a journalist

00:00:26.880 and you've been taking a position and reporting on stories

00:00:31.320 that are in direct contradiction to the official story in Washington

00:00:35.220 that at some point, you know, someone's going to get heavy with you.

00:00:40.540 And so I want you to just describe, if you don't mind,

00:00:43.920 a couple of things that have happened to you recently

00:00:45.820 so everyone knows what the stakes are.

00:00:48.860 So you got detained at a U.S. airport recently.

00:00:51.900 Can you explain what happened?

00:00:53.840 Yeah, and this wasn't the first time

00:00:55.160 the Trump administration had gotten heavy with me over my reporting. I was actually arrested and

00:01:03.660 jailed on first false charges that were dropped quickly during the first Trump term. That's a long

00:01:09.500 story, but we've reported on it at the gray zone. And I was- You spent a couple of days in jail.

00:01:14.400 Spent a couple of days in DC jail over completely false bogus charges. My house was essentially

00:01:20.180 raided by like the police surrounded my house, took me out into a wagon and took me to jail

00:01:25.700 for completely false charges that I had assaulted a woman who was an ally of Juan Guaido at the time.

00:01:33.300 That's like to make the long story short. And, you know, I wish I had had a legal representation

00:01:40.220 that encouraged me to sue at that time because it was just completely fake. Right after Trump

00:01:46.020 came in in january i was stopped coming back from a vacation abroad with my family and shown a list

00:01:53.540 of names and asked you know basically do you know these people which is far beyond the scope of

00:01:58.640 authority of customs and border protection and i said they pull you out of customs line yeah yeah

00:02:03.740 they were waiting for me mr blumenthal and they said uh we've been watching you on uh judge

00:02:07.500 napolito i've when i watched your last appearance on judge napolito referring to judge andrew

00:02:12.460 Napolitano, but kind of like, you know, a tap on the shoulder, like big brothers watching.

00:02:16.960 And I remember those names, I actually didn't recognize them until afterwards. One of them

00:02:23.820 was Susan Benjamin, which happens to be the birth name of Code Pink, co-founder Medea Benjamin. And

00:02:29.820 then the other names were like Arab names or Muslim names. And I think one of them might have

00:02:34.340 been Mahmoud Khalil, who is now, was like arrested and was one of the Columbia students who was

00:02:40.880 arrested and they tried to deport him and put him in an ice facility for a long time um i didn't

00:02:46.240 know but but it signaled to me that once it started it started to all make sense once i saw

00:02:51.440 what they were doing israel's in charge now and they want some they want a crackdown they want

00:02:57.580 to criminalize activism and even journalism that contravenes their objectives so you know the war

00:03:05.000 breaks out in iran on february 28th it doesn't break out trump executes israel's wishes and

00:03:13.220 netanyahu's greatest fantasy attacking iran um we can talk about why that happened later

00:03:19.180 but i was observing it closely reporting on it i you know as as you were as well so i wanted to go

00:03:26.080 there and i had gone the year before without any incident coming back i participated in a public

00:03:31.500 media festival i in iran in iran i did a documentary on iranian jews and what life is

00:03:38.380 like for them in the islamic republic um i did reporting i interviewed negotiators like top

00:03:43.400 negotiators um as the negotiations were about to collapse this was a like a a month before

00:03:50.060 israel launched its first war on iran which ended with operation midnight hammer so anyway

00:03:55.360 the the the the major war operation uh epstein fury or epic fury breaks out

00:04:02.740 and i'm observing it very closely so i wanted an opportunity to go i got that opportunity because

00:04:08.960 iran's foreign ministry was giving out press passes to mainstream reporters uh you know from

00:04:14.840 nbc from cnn as well as uh quote-unquote influencers who wanted to go and cover the

00:04:21.880 funeral of the man that Trump assassinated on February 28th, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. And it was

00:04:28.440 going to be the largest funeral in history. And indeed it was. I witnessed it as a reporter.

00:04:34.520 I covered a lot of things there, which I can talk about in detail. But one of the things I was

00:04:41.080 reporting on was evidence of US and Israeli war crimes. For example, I visited a neighborhood in

00:04:47.420 Eastern Tehran that had been just completely destroyed Gaza style. And it was destroyed

00:04:52.620 without much reporting. I actually hadn't been aware of this neighborhood where it was just

00:04:57.680 block after block of destruction and speaking to people on that street with tears in their eyes,

00:05:04.700 telling me how entire families were liquidated in their sleep, going to the home where a family,

00:05:10.000 what was left of the home, a family of 12 was killed and finding the clothes of small children

00:05:14.400 on the ground, the clothes that resembled the clothes that I dress my children in every day,

00:05:19.940 the same age. It was very upsetting. And I've had an obligation to report on this. There was

00:05:27.240 actually graffiti on the wall by a building, a giant apartment building, civilian apartment

00:05:31.500 building that had been completely destroyed in the middle of the night. It said, evidence of

00:05:34.880 US crimes. And that's what I was producing, providing as a reporter on the ground,

00:05:41.360 visited a synagogue, 50-year-old synagogue that Israel had bombed. Nothing was bombed around it

00:05:48.820 really that I could see. These kinds of things were- Was it an active synagogue?

00:05:54.380 It was an active 50-year-old synagogue called the Rafi Nia Synagogue in Central Tehran. I was one of

00:05:59.780 the first American reporters to visit it, or my colleague Wyatt Reed had also visited it,

00:06:05.900 and several other sites, Gandhi Hospital- Did anyone ever explain in the coalition

00:06:11.220 U.S. or Israel, why we would bomb a synagogue in Iran?

00:06:14.540 Well, Israel always offers the excuse there was some IRGC site nearby and it was a mistake,

00:06:20.000 but it wouldn't have been the first synagogue that Israel's bombed in the region in order to

00:06:23.700 compel Jews to move out of their historic home in order to seek sanctuary within the so-called

00:06:30.940 Jewish state. And it raised serious questions about what would have motivated them to do it.

00:06:37.200 And I raised those questions in an explainer that I filmed there. It's the kind of thing

00:06:41.020 that would piss Israel off,

00:06:42.720 especially when it's a Jewish reporter,

00:06:44.960 an American Jewish reporter.

00:06:47.220 So as I was-

00:06:48.240 Bombing synagogues was not kind of on the program,

00:06:50.680 I thought.

00:06:51.860 No, the synagogue didn't seem to present

00:06:55.360 a national security threat to Israel.

00:06:57.240 What does threaten Israel is to have a community

00:06:59.080 of 10,000 Jews in a Muslim country

00:07:02.180 like the Islamic Republic of Iran,

00:07:04.060 who are recognized as a national minority

00:07:05.960 under the constitution

00:07:07.140 and who are not experiencing antisemitism there.

00:07:10.620 It kind of stands at odds with what Zionists want us to believe about Muslims and the Muslim world.

00:07:16.280 Kind of, yeah.

00:07:17.140 So they might want to frighten them to leave as they did with the Jewish community in Iraq

00:07:22.880 when the Zionist underground with Israeli help bombed Jewish community centers in Baghdad

00:07:29.040 as the Israeli historian Avi Schleim documented in 1952-1953.

00:07:36.380 So anyway, I'm doing this reporting.

00:07:39.200 I reported from the funeral.

00:07:43.400 Trump has previously said that these large crowds you see at funerals of Islamic Republic

00:07:49.580 leadership who he or Israel assassinates are AI.

00:07:52.640 So they don't want actual American reporters on the ground there, especially me when my

00:07:57.320 perspective is very well known.

00:07:59.540 So while I was there, I was targeted online by a collection of entities and figures who

00:08:07.960 are in completely connected to israel and no one else like it was it was an israeli propaganda

00:08:14.160 operation targeting me um laura loomer was obviously leading the way this was not an organic

00:08:22.600 uprising of american citizens online yeah i mean it was funny when i went in 2025 i was you know

00:08:29.020 tweeting from iran i was producing journalism the same way and nothing like this happened

00:08:32.960 but this time it was different and it wasn't organic in the sense that a foreign state

00:08:39.940 was guiding this and they wanted to character assassinate me online so besides Laura Loomer

00:08:49.460 who we talk about in a second there was Canary Mission they were targeting me they created a

00:08:54.940 dossier about me they said something like I dedicated my life to the Ayatollah some really

00:09:02.060 insane statement and that I was there to officially endorsed him what they were yeah essentially that

00:09:07.980 I endorsed him for like leadership of the world that I was there to basically pray at his at his

00:09:13.320 grave and by the way if I had done that if I had converted to Shia Islam and and prayed and made

00:09:19.400 homage paid homage to the late Ayatollah that would not have been against the law in the United States

00:09:25.220 as far as I know I think I would have been within my rights but I was just there to report and that's

00:09:29.600 all I did there.

00:09:30.420 In any case, Canary Mission attacks me.

00:09:33.240 This is a group based in Israel,

00:09:35.980 based in a foundation.

00:09:36.980 It's like a front group called Megamat Shalom.

00:09:40.340 And its writers come out of,

00:09:42.820 many of them come out of the Wexner Foundation,

00:09:45.700 named for the best friend of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:09:47.800 And they are American-Israeli dual citizens.

00:09:49.980 The guy who bought his house on Fifth Avenue,

00:09:52.700 that same guy?

00:09:53.400 That same guy, yeah.

00:09:54.860 And who I think helped Howard Lutnick

00:09:57.160 buy the house next door.

00:09:59.600 So I'm being targeted by vice grad.

00:10:03.020 May I ask, is there evidence

00:10:04.080 that he helped Howard Lutnick buy the house next door?

00:10:06.880 I'm pretty sure that they helped him

00:10:13.040 buy the townhouse next door.

00:10:14.820 If not, we can edit it out or I'll retract it,

00:10:18.160 but I'm pretty sure that's the case.

00:10:20.020 Amazing.

00:10:20.860 They definitely shared a wall.

00:10:22.580 Yeah.

00:10:23.380 But this is totally peripheral to the story I'm telling.

00:10:26.340 The story I'm telling, the point I'm making is

00:10:28.140 I was targeted by a foreign government for contravening their propaganda objectives as a reporter.

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00:12:00.580 Russ, wait, an Israeli propaganda outfit funded by Epstein's financier has worked with the State Department to decide who to deport?

00:12:09.340 It's been reported that Marco Rubio's State Department was relying in part on Canary Mission to target students.

00:12:17.640 And Canary Mission was founded in 2015 to ruin the lives of U.S. college students who were participating in Palestine activism on campus by doxing them and preventing them from gaining future employment.

00:12:31.160 And this is an Israeli group that's meddling in our society and trying to ruin the lives of Americans who are exercising their First Amendment rights.

00:12:42.560 So now they're targeting me. Another group was Vicegrad24, which seems to be shilling for the UAE as well as Israel. And then Laura Loomer comes in and demands that Mark Wayne Mullen arrest me, have me hauled off the flight, that my passport be revoked, basically that I be denaturalized as a natural-born U.S. citizen for what? For what? For simply reporting from Iran.

00:13:08.440 And, you know, then maybe they can find some facts later with which they can use to criminalize me.

00:13:14.460 So she said this in public?

00:13:15.740 She tweeted this.

00:13:16.940 She said, you know, if Mark Wayne Mullen is worth anything, he will do this.

00:13:21.180 She called for my home to be raided at 5 a.m.

00:13:24.680 She specifically called for Rubio to yank my passport.

00:13:29.900 She boasted that she had called the FBI, the State Department, and DHS on me.

00:13:37.940 how does she have uh this okay she's boasted of calling law enforcement on over a thousand people

00:13:44.260 in the u.s um so this is well this this this is like typical behavior and so i come back and i'm

00:13:55.620 like uh kind of knowing what to expect what did you say they're going to get heavy with me because

00:14:02.780 Laura Loomer has become their go-to propagandist and they use her, they kind of outsource her,

00:14:08.660 but also she's able to frighten people in the administration like Mark Wayne Mullen,

00:14:13.740 who she was attacking a week later, calling him Mark Wayne Muslim. And I think she was calling

00:14:18.800 him all sorts of names because he wasn't doing enough deportations. So it's like his ass is on

00:14:23.920 the line from someone who just a couple of years ago was chaining themselves to Twitter headquarters.

00:14:28.840 uh someone who was because her twitter account had been pulled uh someone who earlier this year

00:14:37.640 justified the a mass shooting at a u.s mosque someone who i mean we know you know she called

00:14:44.780 some black democrats black ghetto bitches and she's seen as so outlandish but people in the

00:14:51.020 trump administration are frightened of her and other people are using her so why would they be

00:14:56.200 frightened of her because there are powerful forces behind her including

00:15:00.700 some extremely powerful zionist crime bosses i mean you're absolutely right they're afraid

00:15:09.280 of her i have seen it i mean who's behind her who who who is behind her trip to ukraine

00:15:19.320 i mean how do you get an audience with zelensky like that and then you're meeting with andre

00:15:25.140 Boletsky, the leading neo-Nazi in Ukraine and whitewashing him. And then you're going to a

00:15:31.340 energy plant for a company called D-Tech, which just seems completely random,

00:15:39.080 whose board member is Jeffrey Piat, the guy who was handing out cookies in the Maidan in 2014

00:15:44.420 with Victoria Nuland. Who owns D-Tech? It's Rinad Akhmatov, who is one of the richest men in Ukraine,

00:15:51.500 who's like a de facto crime boss in Kiev,

00:15:55.000 is involved in all kinds of corrupt activity.

00:15:58.660 Who's got her pushing for the removal of sanctions

00:16:03.600 on Venezuela's government,

00:16:05.180 even when Maduro was in power?

00:16:07.400 Probably some pretty powerful businessmen

00:16:09.720 who might own Venezuela's sovereign debt

00:16:11.540 who want to collect on their debt.

00:16:13.160 Who's pushing her to target anyone

00:16:16.260 who gets in the way of Israel's genocidal agenda

00:16:19.780 in the Middle East?

00:16:20.540 I mean, we could choose between any number of major Israeli or pro-Israel warlords from Miriam Maddelson to Bill Ackman.

00:16:30.380 I don't know who they are.

00:16:32.200 But I think we could all agree this is not the way like a country does diplomacy, right?

00:16:38.200 But this is what happened to MAGA.

00:16:40.760 They've driven out everyone who believed in anything Trump campaigned on in 2016, 2020, 2024.

00:16:47.680 war, like national sovereignty, for example, America first rather than Israel first, not

00:16:54.360 continuing the Ukraine proxy war. Zelensky's now asking for $28 billion from the US.

00:17:02.280 All of these things were what I think motivated you to campaign for Trump. And now you're being

00:17:08.360 targeted as one of their main enemies. Laura Loomer is attacking you right now, along with

00:17:15.380 other figures who have a very murky relationship with the Trump administration, like this

00:17:20.860 Jenica Pounds character, data Republican, who was just exposed or exposed herself as

00:17:25.180 a special Pentagon employee.

00:17:26.860 But we thought she was just a pro-MAGA influencer.

00:17:30.180 So what is MAGA anymore?

00:17:31.520 What do you mean a Pentagon employee?

00:17:33.560 Like a special employee of the Pentagon who's been hired by the Pentagon and has a .civ

00:17:38.220 email.

00:17:39.480 This was actually reported in the Washington Post.

00:17:42.160 Yes.

00:17:43.020 So this is someone who's like attacking people

00:17:46.960 politically online all the time.

00:17:49.140 Who's getting paid in US tax dollars to do that?

00:17:53.280 I don't know how much she's being paid,

00:17:54.620 but she exposed herself as such.

00:17:58.100 Let me make this point about just,

00:18:00.200 this is where MAGA is.

00:18:01.300 Like Laura Loomer is the face of MAGA right now.

00:18:03.720 Yeah.

00:18:04.900 And when that's the face of your movement,

00:18:07.940 it doesn't stand for anything anymore,

00:18:11.000 except the raw Machiavellian exercise of power.

00:18:16.460 Yes, and looting.

00:18:18.160 And looting, corruption, and genocidal bloodlust,

00:18:23.500 which is something she represents.

00:18:27.780 After this mass shooting that killed three people

00:18:30.480 at a mosque in San Diego this May,

00:18:34.320 she called for ICE to raid the homes of the victims.

00:18:38.440 What?

00:18:38.680 What?

00:18:40.320 Yeah.

00:18:40.960 And in addition to saying the whole thing was a false flag to elicit sympathy for Muslims

00:18:45.500 and that all Muslims in America should be deported.

00:18:48.060 So this is the person who, you know, people are answering to in the administration and

00:18:54.160 everyone's seeking to use her as well.

00:18:56.460 Then what's the difference between saying that and like all Jews should be deported?

00:19:00.040 Like once you decide that an entire ethnic group or religion is evil because of how they

00:19:06.060 were born how is that different from any other variety of that it doesn't seem any different to

00:19:12.940 me at all and it all seems disgusting it i think it disgusts most people um and but this is what

00:19:20.980 they've been reduced to and who is so who is using her you know how is israel able to move this

00:19:30.280 administration to the point where they're even that focused on me that they're willing to not

00:19:36.500 just detain me, but confiscate my phones on my way back with no suspicion of any criminal activity.

00:19:43.360 I've stepped on your story like 10 times. What happened when you got back?

00:19:45.980 No, it's my fault because I told it the long way.

00:19:48.420 Well, there's so much going on. I mean, it's-

00:19:50.200 Yeah. But I wanted to kind of prompt everyone watching this, like help them understand why

00:19:55.220 this happened yes it happened explicitly because israel didn't want me reporting from inside iran

00:20:02.760 and they thought that i could be uh that they could exploit my vulnerability coming back from

00:20:09.620 iran to have something terrible happen to me at in this area in our country where you are told

00:20:16.340 when you enter you have no constitutional rights which is a huge problem when you you're an american

00:20:22.020 citizen i'm an american citizen you're an american citizen you have no rights you were born here you

00:20:25.460 have no other passport correct correct so how do you forfeit your american constitutional rights

00:20:32.420 once you uh so once you are called in for secondary inspection or questioning by customs

00:20:38.580 and border protection when you arrive from another country you know you get like the red x and then

00:20:44.140 they put your passport in a plastic box and they send you back there cbp tells you you do not have

00:20:51.400 you essentially do not have the same constitutional rights and so after questioning but you're on u.s

00:20:58.500 soil this is in what airport was this this was dulles appropriately named international airport

00:21:03.500 and so i come back and uh you know that all happens to me i got the four s's on my ticket

00:21:09.520 coming back um i i am questioned and they're asking me questions that seem to follow the same

00:21:17.480 line um that loomer or whoever was handling her or backing her was pursuing and you know i was

00:21:26.200 very cooperative with them and polite i figured you know i i don't really have like i i can be

00:21:32.860 transparent here and be polite with them rather than if i refused and you do have the right to

00:21:37.720 refuse those questions but then you're just going to be there for hours and hours and hours and

00:21:41.140 they're going to use that essentially to punish you at the end of the questioning they

00:21:46.780 And they searched my bags and everything, which, you know, they wouldn't have a right to do to you outside of there without a warrant and individualized suspicion.

00:21:56.340 They then demanded that I open my phones.

00:21:59.500 And, you know, anyone watching this, if you're concerned about having your phones opened or seized, pay close attention to what I'm saying.

00:22:08.020 They said, we're just going to check for evidence of criminal activity and CSM.

00:22:13.260 And so just give us your passcodes.

00:22:15.140 which and i said that's what i said and they said uh it's child sexual material and and you're

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00:25:03.120 your phones they they have i've been told revoked people's passports temporarily so they took my

00:25:10.800 they took two phones i had oddly they didn't take my other devices or seem that interested in them

00:25:16.160 like my laptop like if you think i'm this criminal and i'm some irgc agent why wouldn't you take my

00:25:21.920 digital camera or my laptop you know you had hunter biden on a few weeks ago like what if i have the

00:25:28.120 laptop from hell. No, it was just like they were trying to harass and punish and intimidate me

00:25:34.320 and to satisfy Laura Loomer and whatever Zionist crime bosses are behind her.

00:25:41.520 A few days later, I go to Janine Younis, who is a lawyer, who is a true-

00:25:47.880 So what happened at the end of the story? Did you get your phones back?

00:25:50.840 Well, I'm going to tell you how I got them back. So I go to Janine Younis. She's a true

00:25:55.540 free speech warrior like not like the fake free speech warriors who only um defend the free speech

00:26:03.900 of conservatives or you know whatever interest they represent yeah whatever and then and then

00:26:09.040 when you know when someone says uh israel did a naughty thing then they want them to be uh

00:26:13.620 in prison she's not alan dershowitz she's not alan dershowitz or ben shapiro um her feelings

00:26:19.920 only care about facts. She has argued at the Supreme Court against the Biden administration's

00:26:26.040 policy of banning social media accounts that had criticized Biden in a lawsuit filed by Republican

00:26:32.700 governors. She was one of the major critics of the whole COVID lockdown mandate policy from a

00:26:43.320 constitutional perspective. Now she is the president of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination

00:26:47.820 committee. And she's doing these very important legal actions, defending the rights of Americans

00:26:52.980 who are basically being targeted for criticizing Israel. And so she filed a lawsuit demanding my

00:27:00.200 phones and all the data they had taken back. I would say within 24 hours, I got a call from

00:27:06.940 CBP telling me my phones are ready for pickup. So they were holding them for days and days and days.

00:27:13.500 Your phones?

00:27:14.160 Yeah, and they said, we're going to hook them up to machines. And what I understand that they do is they do hook them up to machines and run a program called Celebrite through the phones to brute force open them. That's an Israeli technology. So they're using Israeli technology to get into your phone. Once they get in, they can scrape metadata, access deleted text messages, deleted signals.

00:27:36.080 whole life your whole life and um without a warrant warrantless seizure is a violation of

00:27:43.260 the fourth amendment so we filed this lawsuit we actually went to court um at the fourth district

00:27:49.720 in northern virginia not the fourth yeah the fourth district in northern virginia a veteran

00:27:54.300 judge declared her opinion stated her opinion that my fourth amendment rights had been violated

00:27:59.680 and that the government was going to have to produce some level of discovery to explain what

00:28:06.080 they did with my phones. And we've expanded the lawsuit. It's now a Fourth Amendment and First

00:28:11.520 Amendment-based lawsuit seeking injunctive relief, basically, that they stop harassing me. And this

00:28:18.900 is for everybody. This is for every journalist. This is for every American who believes they're

00:28:23.920 entitled to their Fourth Amendment constitutional rights at the border. If the government suspects

00:28:30.520 that you've committed a crime, they can get a warrant very easily and search into your phone.

00:28:36.080 But without it, they can't.

00:28:38.760 And that's what the fourth district has found in cases like Belmonte Cardozo versus the U.S. government, which the government lawyer wasn't even familiar with.

00:28:48.620 So we're enforcing precedent and we're trying to establish and reinforce the precedent to protect the constitutional rights of Americans, which I was denied because a foreign government did not like me reporting from a country which they have attacked,

00:29:05.340 where they have committed war crimes

00:29:06.700 and where they seek to commit further crimes

00:29:09.360 and to basically carry out regime change.

00:29:12.420 That's what this all comes down to.

00:29:14.760 So the whole situation has escalated.

00:29:19.620 Escalated from that?

00:29:20.600 Yeah.

00:29:21.680 Since we filed this lawsuit,

00:29:24.640 I don't even know what to call them.

00:29:28.680 These Israel first forces in the US

00:29:31.060 are retaliating against me.

00:29:32.700 uh weirdly on shabbat uh two weeks ago three of the biggest israel first neanderthals in congress

00:29:45.040 randy fine randy weber and someone i'd never heard of before keith self released a letter

00:29:50.200 under on congressional letterhead through laura loomer's twitter account calling for me to be

00:29:54.940 investigated and they didn't produce any evidence that i had done anything criminal they just

00:30:01.080 pointed to my journalism from Iran and my journalism in general, which had upset Israel,

00:30:06.880 including my investigations into what really happened on October 7th.

00:30:12.220 Me being one of the first reporters in English language or US media to produce

00:30:19.800 massive amounts of evidence or point to the evidence that Israel had killed many of its

00:30:26.440 own citizens on october 7th by initiating something called the hannibal directive which enables the

00:30:32.280 israeli army to kill its citizens if they believe they are going to be taken captive and become

00:30:38.000 political collateral because the price of letting them go over the gaza border alive is more than

00:30:44.240 the price of killing them and i was heavily attacked for that in israeli media even haaret

00:30:50.580 the supposedly left israeli publication called me yeah is that a real a real concept yeah it's

00:30:56.200 a real concept that's been confirmed. It's been confirmed even by the former Israeli defense

00:31:02.060 minister. A colonel serving on that day said they enacted a mass Hannibal. It's been confirmed that

00:31:09.200 in Kibbutz Berry, an Israeli tank crew was ordered to fire into a home in which 12 Israelis were being

00:31:16.180 held captive. Come on. They killed the hostages on purpose?

00:31:20.280 they knowingly killed the hostages.

00:31:23.100 And we reported on that at the gray zone.

00:31:25.020 We were one of the first sites.

00:31:27.520 It's so evil, it's hard to get that.

00:31:28.740 One of the lone survivor witness to that

00:31:31.660 provided testimony in Hebrew, in Israeli media.

00:31:35.980 And we then conveyed that testimony

00:31:37.900 to an American audience at the gray zone.

00:31:40.600 So they dedicated like a paragraph

00:31:43.140 to my reporting on October 7th.

00:31:46.520 Anyone watching this right now,

00:31:47.920 you can find a documentary called

00:31:49.340 Atrocity Incorporated or Atrocity Inc., in which I detail all the reporting that I did

00:31:55.580 on October 7th on how Israel, in many cases, fabricated atrocities like 40 beheaded babies

00:32:02.880 or Hamas carrying out systematic mass rape in order to manufacture consent for genocide.

00:32:10.060 But there was also the fact that they may have killed hundreds of their own citizens

00:32:14.100 on that day, my reporting was eventually corroborated

00:32:17.880 by the same publications that were attacking me.

00:32:20.800 Yediot Aronot in Israel reported that

00:32:23.340 in an article co-authored by Ronan Bergman,

00:32:26.780 who also writes for the New York Times,

00:32:28.720 over 70 cars were targeted by Israeli helicopters

00:32:32.460 heading towards the Gaza border

00:32:33.880 with many occupants inside.

00:32:36.820 Haaretz said a free fire order was given on that day

00:32:40.360 And, you know, possibly hundreds of strikes were carried out under the auspices of the Hannibal Directive. So, I mean, this is getting a little bit off base from the conversation, but about 400 Israeli soldiers were killed. Their bases were targeted on October 7th.

00:32:58.360 those were active duty combatants who were enforcing the siege of gaza and so they were

00:33:04.840 they were the main targets but there were many other israelis who were sort of caught in the

00:33:09.060 crossfire seized as captives during a moment of opportunity for example the nova electronic music

00:33:16.600 festival which had been like extended for another day right next to the gaza border and then the

00:33:22.600 helicopters come in and start targeting everyone another person who seems to have been targeted

00:33:27.940 under the Hannibal directive was named Gal Abdush. And she was photographed outside of a car,

00:33:32.900 which had been, it looked like it had been blown up with a hellfire missile. She had rigor mortis.

00:33:37.140 She was wearing a small dress because she'd been at this rave and her legs were kind of spread

00:33:41.800 because she had rigor mortis. So she becomes the subject of a front page New York Times

00:33:47.540 investigation called Screams Without Words about how Hamas had committed mass rape. And they called

00:33:53.180 the girl in the black dress whose legs were spread found by her car, her family comes out

00:33:58.700 and says, this was totally false. Our daughter was not raped. The New York Times tricked us.

00:34:03.860 And it very much appears that she was one of those cars that was targeted

00:34:07.700 by the Israeli military. So all of this reporting that I've been doing and over the years, I mean,

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00:36:42.620 So they're looking for any opportunity

00:36:50.740 to basically silence me by locking me up

00:36:53.880 and they have full control over Trump

00:36:55.760 and the Trump administration.

00:36:56.860 Their best asset is Laura Loomer right now

00:36:59.280 for whatever reason.

00:37:01.280 And this was kind of their moment.

00:37:03.840 So they get these three figures

00:37:06.040 to call for me to be investigated

00:37:08.460 by the State Department and FBI.

00:37:11.560 guy and in the letter they call me they say i've been cultivated as an asset by the irgc

00:37:17.740 which is complete defamation like just there's no basis for they they have no basis for saying

00:37:24.400 that it's just defamation that but typical of randy fine and you look at who they are

00:37:29.460 like who who who is randy fine this guy is desperate to shut down the constitution for

00:37:36.120 israel he's even made littering a hate crime in florida punishable by five years in prison

00:37:41.280 because some anti-Jewish goofballs

00:37:45.740 called the Goyish Defense League

00:37:47.260 or the Goyim Defense League

00:37:48.360 were like threw leaflets on the ground.

00:37:51.700 You know, he's enforcing the IHRA definition

00:37:54.540 in Florida of anti-Semitism,

00:37:56.700 which is if you criticize Israel,

00:37:58.440 you're an anti-Semite.

00:37:59.600 The majority of the definitions

00:38:00.640 in the official list of definitions

00:38:02.700 pertain to the state of Israel,

00:38:04.260 not to Jews.

00:38:05.040 Yeah, he said he would like to see,

00:38:07.040 I think he said he would like to see

00:38:08.460 the streets of Gaza overflow with blood.

00:38:11.280 I actually challenged him in Congress on his call for Gaza to starve away, which was an interesting example of genocidal intent.

00:38:21.400 He said Gaza should starve away.

00:38:23.720 And I said, do you think like, how do you think you would fare in Gaza, given your-

00:38:29.360 He'd be last man standing.

00:38:31.540 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:38:34.000 It's ironic to have a figure like him calling for people to be starved.

00:38:38.460 And he's like a walking advertisement for the American Nazi party. I mean, no one produces more anti-Semitism than him. And he actually said at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Committee that he's glad that Thomas Massey is blaming the Jews, in his words, for being thrown out of Congress.

00:39:00.560 He took personal credit for throwing Thomas Massey out of Congress, and he's someone who's

00:39:05.480 clearly acting on behalf of Israel.

00:39:07.600 Then you have Randy Weber, who wears an Israeli tie on the House floor.

00:39:12.500 This is tragically the guy who replaced Ron Paul in Texas.

00:39:17.320 Not exactly a libertarian who believes in the Constitution.

00:39:20.400 He said that the U.S. has to attack Israel because Israel's the apple of God's eye.

00:39:26.800 And Keith Self, I don't know what he does.

00:39:29.040 He's like introduced a bill to stop Sharia in Dallas.

00:39:31.660 So like the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders

00:39:33.780 won't be wearing burkas.

00:39:35.200 And Laura Loomer, I mean, it's pretty clear.

00:39:37.760 She's being backed by some pretty powerful Zionists.

00:39:41.820 So, and they're calling me a foreign agent.

00:39:44.420 Like, that's like having child protective services

00:39:47.480 called on you by Jeffrey Dahmer and Jeffrey Epstein.

00:39:49.900 It's like, you can't overstate the irony of that.

00:39:54.220 But that's what they did.

00:39:55.300 They put that letter out there.

00:39:56.480 and do you think that you're under investigation how would i know right you wouldn't i wouldn't

00:40:01.660 know and you know this administration seems to be capable of anything so i don't know where it can

00:40:08.580 go but i i'd also wear it as this letter as a badge of honor i mean coming from four of the

00:40:15.500 worst people on the planet singling me out and calling for me to be investigated criminally

00:40:20.900 investigated for my journalism i mean so much of the letters dedicated to my journalism to me it's

00:40:25.680 confirmation that I'm doing the right thing. There's something going on that I don't understand

00:40:31.880 that doesn't make sense in conventional terms. And you alluded to it a second ago when you

00:40:35.960 described Randy Fine as like an agent of the American Nazi party because he inspires anti-Semitism.

00:40:41.080 So if I've got a product or a place or a person I'm trying to make more popular,

00:40:45.040 if I'm trying to defend, if I'm selling the Apple iPhone, I'm telling you all the things

00:40:49.680 the iPhone does. It's amazing. It's a camera. It's a weather channel. It's everything, right?

00:40:55.680 I don't make you hate iPhones or telephones

00:40:59.360 or technology if I'm trying.

00:41:01.280 But the people making Israel's case in public

00:41:04.900 are people like Randy Fine.

00:41:07.600 Yep.

00:41:08.540 Who was just named the 45th most influential Jew

00:41:11.580 in the world by the Jerusalem Post.

00:41:14.300 But why wouldn't you get someone who is appealing

00:41:20.100 and not hateful and not laughing at pictures

00:41:23.360 of dead children as he has, who's like, it seems like an intentional effort to inspire

00:41:29.600 hate against Israel, actually.

00:41:32.320 That's what it looks like to me.

00:41:33.820 Yep.

00:41:34.420 What is that?

00:41:36.020 Well, that's Zionist logic.

00:41:39.380 I mean, Zionism needs antisemitism.

00:41:41.820 Antisemitism is the fuel for Zionism.

00:41:43.980 What would happen if Jewish life were normalized in the West?

00:41:50.140 it would be a disaster for zionism because there would no longer be a way to justify

00:41:57.600 israel waging war after war building walls and de facto concentration camps around the

00:42:04.260 indigenous intermention unless it were a sanctuary for jews who were experiencing

00:42:09.340 anti-semitism and had nowhere else to go so it's needed then you have a whole anti-semitism

00:42:15.260 industry what would jonathan greenblatt do without the specter of constant anti-semitism

00:42:21.960 which is why they have to keep redefining anti-semitism to be pretty much anyone who's

00:42:26.620 upset with the mass extermination of children and does anything about it is an anti-semite

00:42:31.760 or anyone who we don't like anyone who we don't like it what it it used to be what anyone who

00:42:39.360 hates the Jews. Now it's anyone who the Jews hate. But I wouldn't even say the Jews. I mean,

00:42:45.760 this is like a contingent of Jewish life, which is increasingly extreme and lives in its own

00:42:53.660 echo chamber. Jonathan Greenblatt, like what the ADL is like a multimillion dollar organization

00:42:59.120 with a command center in Silicon Valley. It has its eyes and ears within law enforcement agencies.

00:43:06.760 He basically brags about it being an auxiliary force of the FBI and that they're conducting spying operations inside activist organizations.

00:43:17.500 With Jewish life, we're normalized, and we were just like, hey, we love America.

00:43:21.280 We are experiencing a golden age here.

00:43:23.880 We're like the Episcopalians.

00:43:26.560 His gravy train would immediately end, and he'd have to go back to being a bottled water salesman, which is what he did before he was at the ADL.

00:43:35.480 Well, I actually grew up in a country that was kind of like that.

00:43:38.220 I mean.

00:43:39.520 Me too.

00:43:40.660 Me too.

00:43:40.920 Yeah, I mean, I was, we were talking about dinner last night.

00:43:43.580 Like, I don't remember, and I would have remembered since I was around a lot of this stuff as a kid, I don't remember there being, like, stark, angry divisions.

00:43:54.660 And, I don't know, golden age, I don't even, but it was great, as far as I recall.

00:44:00.840 Maybe I missed it, but I never heard anybody express hate toward anyone else ever.

00:44:07.500 Not one time.

00:44:08.560 So I'm not imagining it now that I'm saying it out loud.

00:44:11.080 And Israel can't be at peace either because of Zionist logic.

00:44:15.660 Huh.

00:44:17.180 Imagine if Israel were at peace.

00:44:19.260 Yeah.

00:44:19.940 First of all, it would be like Israel was in 1966 when the society was uncertain of its own survival.

00:44:26.300 And all of these different groups were at each other's throats.

00:44:30.840 the Ashkenazim and the Mizrahim and the religious and the secular within the country. Then they had

00:44:35.600 1967 and it was like, suddenly the country became dynamic. And what else happened in 1967?

00:44:41.640 American Jews became very deeply interested, the baby boom generation. And they started going to

00:44:46.480 the Kibbutzim and they brought their guitars. A lot of emigration that year from the United

00:44:50.640 States to Israel. Yeah. And so Zionism became this dynamic global force with 1967, which was a war

00:44:57.460 choice that Israel launched that was totally unnecessary. And they portray themselves as this

00:45:04.080 underdog. Now they have to be in constant war because like, think about all of the Jewish or

00:45:11.480 the Zionist billionaire class in the US. A lot of them aren't even very particularly religious.

00:45:17.420 I don't think Bill Ackman is that religious. I saw someone say like he wrapped Tefillin for the

00:45:23.060 first time after October 7th with, with Bill Ackman, this guy who runs around rapping to

00:45:27.640 feeling on people, uh, without, if Israel's at peace, it doesn't need you anymore and you have

00:45:33.740 nothing to do. And then your identity, you know, your identity comes into question. Like, I don't

00:45:39.780 have anything to do. I don't have anything to donate to that makes me feel Jewish. Um, that

00:45:46.800 country doesn't need me anymore. What do I do? What am I like? Am I going to actually go and

00:45:51.100 observe real Talmudic rituals? Am I going to actually do Shabbat and put my cell phone away,

00:45:59.680 my smartphone that I write 7,000-word posts on all the time?

00:46:03.440 Am I not going to drive to dinner in the Hamptons on Saturday?

00:46:06.900 So, I mean, Zionism has become a central pillar of identity for so many American Jews who wouldn't

00:46:14.820 know how to otherwise be or feel Jewish. And for them, they need this transcendental

00:46:20.340 identity as they start to experience mortality. Sheldon Adelson, I mean, he got into Israel late

00:46:27.200 in life and he said, I want an Israeli wife. And Miriam Adelson comes in and now she's directing

00:46:31.660 his whole empire. So it has to be in a state of war. And Netanyahu is a master of it. He

00:46:38.300 understands the thinking of American Jews and what they need. He understands how Zionism

00:46:47.480 can be carried forward.

00:46:49.820 And he cares more about that

00:46:51.520 than he does about the actual reality

00:46:55.980 of Jews in the world

00:46:57.940 or even Jews in Israel

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00:49:26.800 Can you just give a short summary

00:49:28.680 of what that crisis is?

00:49:30.460 Well, first, I don't think these were,

00:49:31.840 I mean, first of all, I did a book,

00:49:33.800 I published a book in 2013 called Goliath.

00:49:36.780 And that was a portrait of Jewish Israeli society

00:49:40.620 from the inside.

00:49:42.480 I spent off and on,

00:49:44.380 like I was going for a few months

00:49:45.760 and I come back for a few months and write.

00:49:47.240 Off and on for five years, I was working on that book.

00:49:50.800 And it's mostly about Jewish Israeli society.

00:49:54.200 It's a portrait of a society that,

00:49:56.200 was poised to commit genocide. And why- You saw that then?

00:50:02.420 I saw it then. And I took a look at the psyche of particularly Jewish-Israeli youth. And you can

00:50:10.140 just look at the polls that the Israeli Democracy Index conducts. And the vast majority of them

00:50:15.260 have genocidal attitudes, at least anti-Palestinian attitudes. And they're more hostile to Palestinians

00:50:23.440 than their grandparents were, for example.

00:50:26.880 So right now, Jewish Israeli society,

00:50:29.820 they don't necessarily care about the fact

00:50:33.080 that most people in Gaza are living in tents

00:50:35.100 and their faces are being devoured by rats at night.

00:50:38.960 There's no empathy there.

00:50:41.480 But internally, they're in crisis

00:50:44.000 because the part of the population

00:50:46.500 that's producing the most children

00:50:47.980 and giving them like a positive child replacement rate,

00:50:51.760 birth rate are the ultra-Orthodox. And the secular members of Israeli society or the religious

00:50:57.620 nationalist members who believe in Zionism, they have to subsidize all ultra-Orthodox men to simply

00:51:04.660 be there and read Torah all day. And so there are constant bills being pushed to force those

00:51:10.500 ultra-Orthodox men into service in the Israeli military. And what are they saying? The Torah

00:51:15.200 forbids killing. We will not do it. And they've been having huge protests around Israel. You could

00:51:20.520 call them anti-zionist protests they get very little attention in u.s media they block traffic

00:51:26.140 and the secular part of the society or the zionist part of the society hates them

00:51:31.660 and what i don't think hate is an overstatement based on what i've seen

00:51:35.220 yeah in many ways they hate them more than they hate hamas i totally agree i've i've seen it in

00:51:40.100 israel it's sad actually to see it the division is so bitter yeah and this is going to this this

00:51:48.080 bitterness is going to grow along with the bitterness of the world towards israel then you

00:51:55.720 have all these reservists like who served in gaza who committed horrific crimes there's a film out

00:52:02.140 right now that just that's coming out a documentary that is getting rave reviews called

00:52:09.500 naza and it's made by yuval abraham who's an israeli journalist and a filmmaker i think her

00:52:17.220 name is rachel shore these are israelis israeli lefties and it consists of 24 interviews with

00:52:24.300 israeli soldiers most of them were like in military intelligence involved in targeting

00:52:28.400 on rooftops and you can't see their faces their voices are altered and they're describing the

00:52:34.380 most sickening crimes you can think of one of them talks about how they were hacking into phones i

00:52:39.020 guess this is unit 8200 their cyber division hacking into the phones of young girls in gaza

00:52:44.700 to determine when their fathers would come home.

00:52:48.060 And then they would order an airstrike on their home

00:52:50.060 and listen to the girl burn alive through her phone.

00:52:53.400 The soldiers are comparing themselves to Nazis in this film.

00:52:59.260 And now Israeli ministers are calling for stripping the filmmakers

00:53:02.760 of their citizenship and punishing them.

00:53:04.980 Netanyahu just a few hours ago released a statement

00:53:07.120 calling the film a blood libel.

00:53:10.080 Then you have other reservists who you can see them in Knesset.

00:53:13.260 They're like, we're not getting the support we need.

00:53:15.220 We're all on drugs and we're all suicidal.

00:53:18.460 They are playing out their trauma in a different way

00:53:22.760 against their wives, against themselves.

00:53:27.080 And they see these ultra-Orthodox men who aren't serving

00:53:29.580 and they want them to be forced into service

00:53:35.220 or they're going to go crazy.

00:53:37.180 And the ultra-Orthodox parties

00:53:38.820 are keeping Netanyahu's coalition together,

00:53:41.100 United Torah Judaism.

00:53:42.400 and I think there's a good chance Netanyahu could win.

00:53:45.940 So this crisis is going to increase.

00:53:48.600 There's civil strife now.

00:53:49.920 Could it be a civil war later?

00:53:51.900 Very possibly, especially if Netanyahu

00:53:54.040 doesn't have a big war to distract everyone

00:53:56.380 like the war on Iran.

00:54:00.460 And should we condemn the ultra-Orthodox?

00:54:03.980 Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys here?

00:54:07.760 You got a secular Israeli in Tel Aviv

00:54:11.600 who loves to go hang out in Berlin

00:54:14.220 and have vacations in Bali or wherever they go.

00:54:18.660 And they're totally secular,

00:54:20.560 but they participate in the Israeli military.

00:54:23.100 They help find targets in Gaza.

00:54:25.240 One of them just told this group breaking the silence

00:54:27.280 that they asked their commanding officer for a target

00:54:30.220 and they were told there are 2 million targets,

00:54:32.200 just find anything you want.

00:54:33.220 So they go and do that

00:54:34.560 and they believe in political segregation,

00:54:38.960 that the Palestinians have to be segregated

00:54:41.200 from them behind walls, so they can have their European lifestyle and their raves inside their

00:54:48.080 little, what former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak called their villa in the jungle.

00:54:53.460 And then you have the ultra-Orthodox. What do they want? They want religious segregation

00:54:57.340 in a very traditional Jewish way. They want to live a kind of medieval Jewish lifestyle,

00:55:03.820 but they have no interest in Palestinians. They don't care. As long as they're left alone,

00:55:10.200 the palestinians are immaterial to them they don't want to kill them but they don't

00:55:14.820 see them as particularly like they're indifferent so who who's the bad guy and who's the good guy

00:55:21.600 here the ultra orthodox are saying killing is against the torah and they are going to be forced

00:55:27.340 into the world's biggest most ruthless killing machine if if these bills go forward that's

00:55:35.960 zionism this and so we're we're moving towards the terminal stage of zionism in our lives

00:55:44.580 and it's creating crisis here and it's creating crisis there and we don't know where it ends

00:55:51.380 that's within israel and yet all of a sudden despite i've lost track of how many fronts

00:55:58.020 israel is fighting on according to netanyahu it's eight we are the eighth front in the united

00:56:03.820 States. He said that at a meeting with U.S. influencers who seem to be on Israel's payroll.

00:56:11.040 I don't even know what that means. You mean like attacking you?

00:56:14.440 Well, sure. Sure. I am a target in his war. You are the top target, probably. And it's a

00:56:21.820 propaganda war. It could turn into something else if the situation grows more dire for Israel.

00:56:30.320 But right now it's an information war and it's a legal war and it's a political war.

00:56:36.880 Right.

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00:56:49.060 China imported nearly as much gold in the first half of 2026 as it did during all of 2025.

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00:56:57.740 Well, because, of course, they're hedging against coming instability.

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00:58:23.460 so that's a lot for any country of 9 million people to undertake at simultaneously it's also

00:58:30.880 obviously disgusting but it's just it's a lot of stuff it's expensive it's a lot of things to pay

00:58:36.000 attention to simultaneously but at the same time and this does amaze me Israel seems to be like

00:58:41.940 everywhere all over Latin America Africa Somaliland Argentina Venezuela Colombia all of a sudden

00:58:50.880 there are Israel-related stories

00:58:52.200 popping up in all these countries

00:58:53.140 around the world.

00:58:54.080 And you're like, wait a second.

00:58:55.860 First of all,

00:58:56.240 how do you have time to do that?

00:58:58.580 Second, what are you doing?

00:59:00.380 And third, what is the point of all that?

00:59:01.940 What are we watching?

00:59:03.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.500 I mean, these are...

00:59:04.640 Am I imagining this?

00:59:05.520 Trump has won every...

00:59:07.940 Trump has won every election

00:59:10.700 in Latin America

00:59:11.460 over the last two years.

00:59:13.040 I mean, these are candidates

00:59:14.080 that Trump incorporated controls.

00:59:16.660 Most recently, I think it's

00:59:18.180 Abelardo de la Espriella in Colombia.

00:59:20.880 and in one of the first speeches he basically pledged loyalty after he won abelardo who was

00:59:27.920 the former lawyer for the cartels pledged loyalty to israel why israel what does colombia have to

00:59:33.740 with israel evo i think it was evo morales the former president of bolivia he called colombia

00:59:40.020 the israel of latin america they were getting a lot of israeli weapons training i mean going back

00:59:46.540 to um 1984 this will help explain some things about this um very weird phenomenon but the

00:59:55.940 congress passes the boland amendment during the height of the contra war um that requires that

01:00:02.540 required reagan or any executive to sign off on covert action great piece of legislation you know

01:00:08.340 back remember when congress used to do intelligence reform um so that was the last real attempt was

01:00:14.460 but one amendment yeah um so ephraim rios mont was a u.s backed dictator who was also close to

01:00:21.700 like the christian right christian zionists like pat robertson he was the first evangelical

01:00:26.440 president and israel comes in and says we will supply him we'll give his soldiers uzis to

01:00:33.580 basically mow down the mayans and the what's left of the guatemalan insurgency and destroy entire

01:00:41.360 villages and we will train them. Rios Montt said that our model for the Guatemalan soldier is the

01:00:47.000 Israeli commando. And Reagan won't have to sign off on anything. And we will show how valuable

01:00:52.160 we are as a US ally. So Israel provided them with the computer they used and the surveillance

01:00:58.880 systems to round up activists who opposed his rule. And from there, it was the beginning of a

01:01:07.440 beautiful friendship with these pro-U.S. governments that were seeking to destroy

01:01:12.820 their supposedly leftist opposition. But it's like across the board, like Ecuador,

01:01:21.100 they have a billionaire president who was born in Miami, Daniel Noboa. And I saw a report a few

01:01:28.060 weeks ago that in Ecuadorian schools, they're now going to teach Holocaust education. And there's

01:01:34.380 nothing wrong with learning about the history of Jewish genocide or the genocide of others in World

01:01:39.120 War II, but it just seems a little bit on the nose. And he's, of course, extremely pro-Israel,

01:01:44.780 as all of these leaders are. Juan Orlando Hernandez was collaborating with Israel as he was,

01:01:54.020 in his words, shoving cocaine up the Yankees' noses, which led to him being jailed in a federal

01:02:00.540 prison in Miami along with his brother who was marking bags of cocaine to the U.S. with his

01:02:04.820 initials, Tony Hernandez. Trump pardons Juan Orlando Hernandez because they needed to legitimize

01:02:12.480 his national party so they could win another election in Honduras. What happened in Venezuela?

01:02:21.040 As soon as Delcy Rodriguez, who Trump says, we'll do whatever we want, comes into power following

01:02:26.500 the violent abduction of Nicolas Maduro and Celia Flores, his first lady, there's an earthquake,

01:02:35.460 a very fortuitous earthquake, which brings in, who else? Israeli rescuers. I mean, they'll rescue

01:02:42.260 people all around the world, except in the Gaza Strip, where they have destroyed like 80% of homes.

01:02:48.320 And they come in, I don't know how many people they rescued, but the next thing you know,

01:02:51.780 Delcy Rodriguez is meeting in Miraflora's palace with Israeli military officials. And Israel's

01:02:57.820 relationship with Venezuela is then normalized. In 2009, Hugo Chavez, the nationalist leader of

01:03:05.560 Venezuela, whose first priority was sovereignty, kicked out the Israeli ambassador in protest of

01:03:11.640 Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip that year. And actually, the first time I ever saw Delcy

01:03:17.720 Rodriguez speak, she was wearing a keffia to show her solidarity with Palestinians. Next thing you

01:03:24.740 know, the U.S. is in charge and Israel's on the ground. Why would that be a priority for anybody?

01:03:31.500 Like, who cares what Venezuela's posture toward Israel is? Yeah. Yeah. Why would Maduro's son have

01:03:36.220 to go do a very public meeting at a pro-Israel synagogue in Caracas? Actually? Yeah. We never

01:03:43.160 saw that it seems totally irrelevant i mean it's it's across the world it has no historic

01:03:49.320 relationship well nobody has a historic relationship with israel it's been around since 1948 like this

01:03:53.640 whole thing has no grounding in like a practical understanding of the world like what is i i'm just

01:04:01.420 confused i mean here's here's one like concrete thing venezuela did that that israel got out of

01:04:09.020 this. Venezuela removed itself from the International Criminal Court, a country whose

01:04:14.300 diplomatic corps, ever since Hugo Chavez came into power in 1998, has emphasized the importance

01:04:21.280 of international law and the Geneva Conventions to guarantee their sovereignty because they've

01:04:26.300 been under constant attack from the US. So they remove themselves as a signer of the Rome statute

01:04:34.760 and leave the ICC because what did the ICC do?

01:04:39.340 They indicted Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes in Gaza.

01:04:44.220 And Netanyahu essentially boasted

01:04:47.200 that this was being done on behalf of him by Marco Rubio

01:04:52.160 when Marco Rubio sanctioned the ICC.

01:04:56.000 Like days before Venezuela did that.

01:04:58.860 What is another thing Israel gains out of Venezuela?

01:05:01.100 uh the iran war is is is failing it has failed and one of the biggest political problems for

01:05:09.920 trump is the price of oil and u.s strategic oil reserves strategic petroleum reserves the spr is

01:05:18.280 has been at a lower point than 19 it was since 1983 and so venezuela has the largest oil reserves

01:05:29.040 in the world. The U.S. just signed a deal at gunpoint with Delcy Rodriguez to exploit one

01:05:37.700 fifth of Venezuela's oil reserves. And this means that the oil will be instantly transferred or

01:05:44.060 transferred as soon as possible in violation of the Venezuelan constitution with no guarantee of

01:05:49.520 any return to Venezuela to the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And then it will fuel the

01:05:58.320 drive for World War III in a war for Israel.

01:06:03.020 So there are many things Israel can extract

01:06:06.260 from this relationship.

01:06:07.780 I just don't understand why, you know,

01:06:10.500 whatever you think of what the Trump administration

01:06:12.840 did in Venezuela, and, you know,

01:06:16.460 it's kind of hard to defend, impossible to defend, really.

01:06:19.860 But at least you thought, well,

01:06:21.380 maybe it was for the United States.

01:06:22.680 But it seems like the first thing they did

01:06:25.000 when they arrested the leader of the country

01:06:28.000 was to force the new leaders to make nice with Israel.

01:06:32.040 Like, why is that the number one priority

01:06:34.640 of our State Department?

01:06:37.460 The same reason the U.S. went to war on Iran.

01:06:41.520 I mean, this is an administration

01:06:42.940 that's acting on Israel's behalf.

01:06:46.180 It's a slave to Israel, obviously.

01:06:48.360 I mean, and in many cases, personnel is policy.

01:06:52.260 So look at the kind of people in the administration.

01:06:54.900 Susie Wiles, she controls everything

01:06:57.340 the president sees and hears. And, you know, you have to get through her to meet with the

01:07:03.500 president, which is why, like, when you saw the photos of the administration, when they launched

01:07:13.000 the war on Iran on February 28th, there was team A in Mar-a-Lago. And what was it? Susie Wiles,

01:07:19.380 Marco Rubio, John Ratcliffe, and Trump. And then there was team B who was on the outside,

01:07:23.760 Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard, J.D. Vance, the so-called restrainers. Susie Wiles wasn't

01:07:29.880 letting them in the room, and she never was. What was Susie Wiles doing before she was in

01:07:36.640 the Trump administration? Well, she was a major lobbyist, but she also was working for Netanyahu.

01:07:41.260 And no one knew that when she came in. It was subsequently reported by the Washington Post

01:07:47.060 that when Netanyahu was in a little bit of political hot water and was campaigning for

01:07:52.160 reelection, he called in these super Trump consultants, including Susie Wiles, to help

01:07:57.080 him stage Trump-style rallies. So she literally worked for Netanyahu. It just goes down the line,

01:08:04.940 like Harmeet Dhillon, she's the head of the Office of Civil Rights in the DOJ, which really

01:08:09.780 increasingly looks like the Office of Israeli Rights. Her law firm is currently, I think she

01:08:16.620 put her brother in charge of it. She's not technically in charge of it. It's called Dhillon

01:08:20.320 law they um are representing a federally registered israeli foreign agent called show faith by works

01:08:28.140 they're listed on the farah form show faith by works their job is to basically propagandize

01:08:33.860 evangelicals for israel geofence their churches and distribute israeli propaganda um i got leaked

01:08:42.220 audio from an apac congressional meeting it was a private off the record event and someone who

01:08:48.640 identified themselves as a 40-year veteran of APAC, said, you know, the importance of our

01:08:54.300 lobbying is we go down to congressional districts and recruit people right when they come into

01:09:01.660 Congress. One of them was John Ratcliffe. He said, we went down to Dallas. We heard he was running.

01:09:05.620 He was really good. We've loved working with him ever since then. Marco Rubio is another one,

01:09:10.760 and Mike Waltz is another one. These are our lifelines inside the administration, he said.

01:09:15.200 And, of course, Marco Rubio's career has been sponsored heavily or advanced by Paul Singer's donations, Paul Singer being a major Israel First billionaire. So you look at the personnel in there and look at what happened to anyone who tried to resist their agenda, which was essentially Netanyahu and Israel's agenda. They're not in there anymore.

01:09:35.560 they're like sitting at this they they they come by this desk and talk to you

01:09:40.800 uh look at what happened to you so it just simply follows that israel will get more or less what it

01:09:49.100 wants what is the what is the big picture goal because like i think any rational person assessing

01:09:56.860 the facts as we find them right now in mid-september 2026 sees the us and the uk really is

01:10:04.920 the last allies that Israel has

01:10:07.080 in the world

01:10:08.580 and the populations of,

01:10:10.560 but I'll speak for my country,

01:10:11.640 the population here

01:10:12.600 is becoming aware of the cost,

01:10:15.440 excuse me,

01:10:16.720 of this relationship

01:10:17.480 and aware of the genocide in Gaza,

01:10:23.640 et cetera, et cetera.

01:10:24.560 Like people are mad at Israel.

01:10:26.200 It's just obvious

01:10:27.020 and young people especially.

01:10:29.140 So like if you're Israel,

01:10:30.640 you're not stupid.

01:10:31.840 You know that this relationship

01:10:33.500 is going to change.

01:10:34.920 not to your benefit. What's your plan? What's their plan? What are they doing right now?

01:10:41.780 You mentioned the UK being a key Israeli ally. I just wanted to

01:10:46.180 mention something that recently happened. Andy Burnham comes in and he recognizes where public

01:10:52.620 opinion is in the UK on the Israel question. So he announces some form of sanctions or

01:11:00.000 or that they're not going to buy products

01:11:02.200 from the occupied territories

01:11:04.580 in support of a two-state solution,

01:11:06.840 which is by this point dead.

01:11:08.240 It was a symbolic move.

01:11:09.600 Israel went bonkers.

01:11:11.260 They-

01:11:11.940 Shut down Heathrow Airport

01:11:12.980 in two hours and 35 minutes.

01:11:14.500 Well, there you go.

01:11:16.000 So hours after his announcement,

01:11:18.320 Heathrow Airport's air traffic control systems

01:11:20.500 had a glitch.

01:11:21.780 Yeah.

01:11:22.280 Coincidence?

01:11:23.680 Was it?

01:11:24.400 I don't know.

01:11:25.460 Just kind of odd.

01:11:26.220 I had family members stuck in the airport that day,

01:11:28.060 so a couple of them.

01:11:29.360 So I don't know.

01:11:32.420 Was there any foreign software at work in that airport?

01:11:36.060 You know, I don't think the UK is going to come out and say,

01:11:38.580 we point the finger at Israel and escalate the situation.

01:11:42.140 I mean, Israel essentially toppled the leader of the Labour Party prior to Keir Starmer.

01:11:50.000 They have a lot of power in the UK.

01:11:52.120 What are they doing in the UK?

01:11:53.320 They're destroying whatever's left of democracy there through the courts

01:11:57.740 in order to prosecute activists

01:12:00.340 from this group, Palestine Action,

01:12:03.080 which is, and this is-

01:12:04.560 Correction, terrorists.

01:12:05.840 Terrorists.

01:12:06.500 They're now defined as terrorists

01:12:07.860 by the Trump administration

01:12:09.100 because Israel told them to define

01:12:10.900 these British activists as terrorists

01:12:13.140 almost on the same day

01:12:15.740 that Trump lifted sanctions

01:12:17.560 on the leadership of Al-Qaeda in Syria,

01:12:20.940 which we can talk about in a second.

01:12:23.280 So what they're doing in the UK

01:12:24.460 is they're having these trials

01:12:25.780 of these activists who have removed

01:12:27.500 or stopped production of Israeli weapons

01:12:31.640 at four state weapons facilities owned by Israel,

01:12:36.260 Elbit Systems in the UK.

01:12:38.220 And what they do is they'll come in,

01:12:40.020 they do direct action

01:12:41.140 where they'll like smash up the clean room.

01:12:44.020 They will vandalize some things.

01:12:45.400 They try to avoid harming people.

01:12:47.840 And then they go to court, they go on trial

01:12:50.100 and they have been exonerated or let out

01:12:54.940 in case after case by juries of their peers because the juries sympathize with the argument

01:13:02.640 that what these activists are doing is actually saving lives as Israel's committing genocide in

01:13:07.720 Gaza and that the harm that they prevent is worse than the harm that they caused. And so this has

01:13:13.060 become a real threat to the, not just the British system, but the Israeli project of essentially

01:13:18.820 occupying britain and its war machine as well so now what's happening in these trials is the jury

01:13:25.400 won't be told that they're terrorism trials they think that they're um convicting them or

01:13:30.900 acquitting them on criminal charges and then the judge applies the terrorism charges after

01:13:35.440 the media is not allowed to know about that either the media in britain is not allowed to

01:13:40.100 report on these trials so we've been reporting on them at the gray zone because we're american

01:13:44.920 And one of the barristers who's defended Palestine action has himself faced contempt of court charges because his defense was too effective. He was defending his clients too effectively. So they want to bring that system here.

01:14:00.400 uh they want to israel needs to de-democratize western societies in order to maintain control

01:14:07.820 because the population is turning against them they need to brainwash youth and bring like prager

01:14:12.940 you curriculum into state education systems uh they basically need to jail journalists

01:14:20.960 in our country who have interfered with their propaganda objectives like me and they will

01:14:29.300 activate all their assets to do so but what they ultimately want and it sounds kind of extreme but

01:14:36.880 this is what i've had to conclude they want global control as the world forms into a more

01:14:42.600 multipolar world and u.s empire seems to be receding somewhat israel is still determined

01:14:52.600 to gain control at the heart of Eurasia.

01:14:57.020 And that's where Iran is situated.

01:14:59.300 So imagine if they had achieved regime change in Iran.

01:15:03.540 There was a group associated with,

01:15:06.640 I'm going to forget the acronym for it,

01:15:09.340 but it's like the lobbying group for Reza Pahlavi,

01:15:12.760 the Potomac, Maryland-based self-proclaimed crown prince.

01:15:16.180 And they put forward a white paper

01:15:17.700 for like the day after in Iran.

01:15:19.720 And the white paper, it said basically

01:15:21.340 the Mossad will come in and help us purge the Islamic Republic. We'll carry out a mass purge.

01:15:26.620 Israel will be assisting us in renewing the economy. And they're basically putting Israel

01:15:32.660 at the center of everything in an Iran post-Islamic Republic, post-Ayatollah.

01:15:40.360 So Israel gets control of this strategically located country that represents a 3,000-year-old

01:15:46.900 civilization with control over the waterway through which 20% of the world's liquid natural

01:15:52.420 gas passes. What do Russia and China do then? Certainly Russia would have to deal with Israel

01:15:58.640 and China probably would as well. And then Israel has the United States pretty much under its thumb

01:16:05.320 through Trump or some democratic tool like Joe Biden was. And they have Russia and China being

01:16:12.880 forced to deal with them directly as they exist at the heart of this country that's being

01:16:16.680 plundered as Venezuela is. What they're doing in Latin America, I mean, that's what they would

01:16:22.120 do in Iran. So that's the objective. But do they have a plan? Did they have a plan?

01:16:27.080 Did Netanyahu actually have a plan? No. He marched right into the White House. Remember when he came

01:16:31.820 in February? February 3rd. Yeah. I remember I was trying to get across town and they were

01:16:38.520 shutting down traffic. It was like a presidential-style visit. There were helicopters everywhere.

01:16:42.280 we knew what he was up to but we found out the details later he marched into maybe you already

01:16:47.780 knew them he marched into the situation room sat at the head of the table trump sat to the side

01:16:52.920 which doesn't seem very trumpy into me and um david barnea the mosad director at the time was

01:17:00.020 brought in on a big screen he's now the head of a u.s weapons company which is just absolutely

01:17:05.800 Absolutely wild. Yes. He's in the private sector now. Private sector. And they give Trump his

01:17:14.520 marching orders. You are going to bomb this meeting of the Ayatollah and his advisors

01:17:19.480 in Tehran on February 28th. We know it's taking place. And Trump just said, okay,

01:17:24.580 all right, boss, I'll do it. And no one was willing to stand up to Trump. He was surrounded by

01:17:29.400 a bunch of yes men. And that was the plan. And Netanyahu said, look what happened. I don't know

01:17:34.900 if he said this, but I know what Trump was thinking was, look what we just did in Venezuela.

01:17:40.340 We're going to get an Iranian Delce Rodriguez. Maybe it'll be Reza Pahlavi. And it'll happen

01:17:46.100 in four days. And he was also, he believed his own bullshit about the protests in January,

01:17:52.120 which I can talk about, which were absolutely like a militarized operation, instrumentalized

01:17:58.420 by foreign intelligence services, including Israel and the US. Very violent. But he believed that

01:18:03.900 The Iranian people are going to come out into the streets and just sweep away this regime.

01:18:10.180 And the opposite has happened.

01:18:12.160 So Israel actually had no plan except to get Trump in the war to get the U.S. in a state

01:18:18.560 of constant escalation with Iran for as long as possible.

01:18:21.440 That was their only plan.

01:18:22.860 And look at the result.

01:18:24.440 It has been disastrous for the U.S. economy.

01:18:27.580 As you've been saying week after week, it's been disastrous for Trump politically.

01:18:31.380 He's at historically low approval ratings.

01:18:33.900 There was a poll out today I saw that showed that most people who believe that the war is affecting their pocketbook interests are going to vote Democrat, 64%.

01:18:43.900 Of course.

01:18:45.820 And the deficit is $40 trillion.

01:18:49.260 This has a lot to do with the war.

01:18:51.580 The war is going to cost over a trillion dollars once you factor in, in 10 years, inflation, the cost of paying veterans, and the rising cost of weapons, and so forth.

01:19:01.020 The U.S. is expending munitions to the point where it's having to reposition THAAD batteries and PAC-3s from other supposedly more strategically significant locations.

01:19:13.380 So it's been a blow to U.S. empire.

01:19:15.600 The U.S. has a maritime power is being kind of exposed as a paper tiger.

01:19:19.140 Like, it's sailors can't reach land until they go to Thailand, as they've been having food rationed because they were being supplied by bases that were put out of service by Iranian missiles.

01:19:31.220 So it's been a total disaster because Trump followed Netanyahu's marching orders.

01:19:37.380 And that was the only plan.

01:19:39.960 There's no real long-term plan.

01:19:42.520 No, he's an instinct player, Netanyahu is, obviously.

01:19:45.880 and his instinct is aggression and expansion.

01:19:49.960 And it's worked incredibly well.

01:19:51.880 I don't think it'll end well for him.

01:19:55.160 But it doesn't answer the question.

01:19:58.040 Everything you said is consistent

01:19:59.220 with what I know to be true.

01:20:00.340 I think that's exactly what happened.

01:20:02.540 But it doesn't answer the question

01:20:03.960 why Trump, who intensely dislikes Netanyahu,

01:20:07.540 as everybody does,

01:20:09.500 why would he sit in the subordinate position

01:20:13.180 in the situation room?

01:20:14.400 Why would he take orders from Netanyahu?

01:20:16.020 He took orders from him before the 12-day war.

01:20:19.100 Netanyahu said, we're doing this, and Trump followed him.

01:20:21.300 That's a fact, I'm not guessing.

01:20:23.080 And Rubio confirmed that in his meeting with the Gang of Eight when he came out.

01:20:26.520 That's right.

01:20:27.100 He said, we did this because Israel was going in, and we couldn't just leave them alone.

01:20:31.020 Yeah, but I mean, last summer, even, same thing.

01:20:33.820 Same thing.

01:20:34.740 Yeah, Bibi called him in the sit room, said, we're doing it this week.

01:20:38.800 And the rest is sad history.

01:20:40.740 But the point is, Trump went along with the leader of a country of 9 million people who he dislikes personally and who was under indictment in his own country.

01:20:50.320 So that's not a picture of power, at least conventional power.

01:20:53.520 Why would you listen to a guy like that?

01:20:54.960 Why would you follow a guy like that to your own political death?

01:20:58.360 What am I missing?

01:21:00.440 Really?

01:21:01.380 You think that's what it is?

01:21:03.060 I mean, that's one big factor.

01:21:04.660 And you would, I mean, Miriam Adelson is someone who Trump has said has visited him more along with her late husband Sheldon in the White House than anyone.

01:21:14.360 And when he was speaking at the Knesset, he said, well, I don't know if she really cares about America, Israel's her cause, but she's an important person.

01:21:21.560 I mean, he openly said that he's like very important.

01:21:24.460 Who was, I mean, you were at the inauguration.

01:21:26.480 Who had the best seat in the House, better than any member of Congress or incoming secretary?

01:21:31.300 Who breezed right through the magnetometer without being checked at the church service that morning with Trump.

01:21:36.680 I mean, I was there.

01:21:37.560 She walked right past me and everyone else standing in line, blew right through without a security check.

01:21:42.840 She's not even an American.

01:21:44.500 She's an Israeli warlord, essentially.

01:21:46.660 Yeah.

01:21:47.120 And I was born here and she marched right past me and Charlie Kirk was standing right there.

01:21:51.440 And it was like, this is not a good sign at all.

01:21:54.680 I remember watching it and I was thinking, we're going to have a war with Iran.

01:21:59.980 just looking at her right behind Trump.

01:22:01.880 I was like, that's what's going to happen.

01:22:03.640 And we're talking about, what,

01:22:05.280 $300 million of donations to Trump over the years

01:22:09.020 or to his PACs as well.

01:22:11.500 But he got elected.

01:22:12.520 That's where the, of course, I completely agree with you.

01:22:15.300 And I should say you're from Washington as I am too.

01:22:17.420 So we've like spent our lives watching this.

01:22:19.120 So you're right.

01:22:20.240 But by this point, Trump has been reelected.

01:22:22.760 He wanted to get reelected to be vindicated.

01:22:25.300 They called him, you know, dead in the water.

01:22:27.260 They called him a criminal.

01:22:27.940 They called him all these things

01:22:28.820 and he gets re-elected president.

01:22:30.720 So it's like he doesn't need the donors anymore

01:22:32.800 for the Republican Party,

01:22:34.740 but he doesn't care about the Republican Party.

01:22:36.300 So he's basically throwing away his entire legacy,

01:22:41.840 his family's future.

01:22:43.020 All of this is being destroyed

01:22:44.920 because he's following Israel.

01:22:47.760 Why is he doing that?

01:22:49.260 Well, let me just make another,

01:22:50.320 just tack on a few things to the point I made before

01:22:53.720 and then move on to another more psychological motive

01:22:56.820 that a theory about his psychological motives um so a week about a week after charlie kirk was

01:23:06.720 assassinated uh his podcast which was being broadcast on salem media was effectively

01:23:13.760 taken over by a federally registered israeli foreign agent um which was what yeah um

01:23:21.260 it's called clock tower x which is operating this gigantic i don't want to say multi-million

01:23:29.780 it's like 100 million 50 million it's one of the biggest foreign lobbying contracts ever

01:23:34.860 um it's it's operating it on behalf of the israeli foreign ministry it's being run by

01:23:39.740 brad parskal who was trump's chief of staff in 2020 remember he got baker acted like his house

01:23:44.840 was raided and they on video on video it's a very ugly scene he was fired um i'm actually

01:23:51.520 surprised they fired him given who else they don't fire but he uh you know and he had created

01:23:56.640 like trump's whole facebook strategy like the including like the seemingly like bots and

01:24:02.040 probably he was a talented guy israel hires him plucks him out of the wilderness and he takes

01:24:08.840 over salem media which is one of the largest pro-maga pro-republican conservative media

01:24:15.940 platforms they had charlie kirk's podcast but they have like they have scott jennings podcast

01:24:20.920 who's being talked about as possibly the next white house press secretary all these people

01:24:26.620 are kind of like involved with the israeli foreign ministry now and if you don't like that then you

01:24:32.700 can leave but none of them are leaving and who got a 30 stake in salem media uh laura trump

01:24:40.040 trump's daughter-in-law and i believe don jr so they are seemingly involved somehow in this

01:24:48.860 contract and then they also have um themselves are doing business with israeli drone companies

01:24:54.500 which are getting contracts also to do uh anti-drone technology in iran there's all

01:25:01.600 kinds of incentivization to maintain this relationship but the break breaking away from

01:25:08.420 the relationship and we were just talking about what's happened what happened in the uk at heathro

01:25:13.080 the day that andy burnham did a symbolic what happened in spain remind me well oh the say

01:25:20.840 yeah exactly they get invaded you know give the middle finger to israel the next thing you know

01:25:26.760 oh, Morocco is sending tens of thousands of people

01:25:29.100 into your country.

01:25:29.780 Yep, yep.

01:25:30.760 And like every pro-Israel influencer

01:25:32.980 and Israeli official down to Itamar Ben-Gvir

01:25:35.440 was like, aha, this is what you get.

01:25:37.920 You know, F around and find out.

01:25:40.280 So, you know, not doing,

01:25:43.100 not following the program laid out to you

01:25:45.860 by Benjamin Netanyahu on February 3rd

01:25:48.040 is also de-incentivized.

01:25:49.920 Yes.

01:25:50.520 And this really needs to be-

01:25:51.940 De-incentivized.

01:25:53.640 That's a soft way of putting it.

01:25:55.220 Yeah, you're terrified.

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01:26:08.740 Back in, what was it, 2020, Mike Pompeo and Benjamin Netanyahu convinced Trump to assassinate the second most powerful official in Iran, who's the head of the Quds Force for the IRGC, Qasem Soleimani.

01:26:22.040 Only one person in mainstream media criticized that decision.

01:26:25.420 I'm not bragging.

01:26:26.080 It's the only thing I'm bragging about.

01:26:27.000 I was that guy and I took a huge amount of crap for it.

01:26:29.720 I remember.

01:26:30.820 But I thought that was the beginning of war with Iran.

01:26:33.420 Seemed obvious to me.

01:26:34.820 And it was also the beginning of something else

01:26:37.260 where you bring the US and Iran into a cycle of escalation.

01:26:42.200 And that's what Netanyahu needed to get.

01:26:43.800 He needed Trump to begin to escalate with Iran

01:26:46.180 and then he wanted Iran to retaliate.

01:26:48.600 The Iranian retaliation for Soleimani's killing in Iraq

01:26:52.480 as he was on his way to a peace conference,

01:26:54.860 was pathetic. And everyone I interviewed in the Iranian establishment believes that today,

01:27:00.800 if they had hammered U.S. bases the way they're doing now, that this war wouldn't have happened,

01:27:06.960 but that they allowed themselves to be set on this course to war. But what happened with Trump was

01:27:11.180 he also began to be kind of a psychological prisoner of the retaliation. And the Israelis

01:27:18.720 started to exploit his worst fear. How is assassination different from murder?

01:27:22.920 So, yeah, I didn't even mention assassination, but you know where I'm going.

01:27:25.820 Assassination is murder.

01:27:27.300 And the distinction that we make between the legitimate use of force by the state and homicide is either imminent self-defense, someone's coming at you and you have to kill the person to protect your life or the lives of others, or a process sanctioned by the state called a trial.

01:27:47.380 Yeah.

01:27:47.620 So any killing outside of those two is murder, right?

01:27:50.760 Yeah.

01:27:50.880 I thought that was, aren't those the definitions?

01:27:52.920 or no i i would think so uh but even if you believe assassination is legitimate you have

01:28:02.940 to think about the consequences of a figure like soleimani being taken out and how did how do

01:28:08.240 iranians regard him millions of iranians saw him as a hero who prevented isis from swamping their

01:28:14.720 country with jihadist fanatics who would come and kill them because they were shia

01:28:19.540 And he was a direct U.S. ally in the fight against ISIS, who was very effective in defeating them.

01:28:25.660 Actually, ISIS attacked Iran's parliament in 2017, killed a number of civilians, and Trump essentially mocked Iran and said, if you support terror, you will get terror in return.

01:28:35.840 So Soleimani was fighting that whole project.

01:28:38.360 And again, he was a national hero.

01:28:40.360 Many Iranians wanted revenge on Trump for that.

01:28:43.740 The Iranian establishment does not have a policy of assassinating because they did not want an escalation.

01:28:49.160 They wanted negotiation.

01:28:51.080 But all of these plots start getting rolled out through the FBI that always seem to involve confidential human sources and informants who are pushing these mentally vulnerable characters.

01:29:03.480 One in particular involved Asif Mershant, who was a Pakistani national who had traveled from Iran.

01:29:10.800 He was led into the U.S. despite having been flagged on a terror watch list.

01:29:16.740 And apparently all of the intel that got to the FBI about Mershant was coming from Israel.

01:29:24.420 What happens as soon as Mershant comes into the U.S., he's seeking some sort of business

01:29:29.960 deal or something.

01:29:31.420 They throw a confidential human source, the FBI, at him, who starts pushing him to enact

01:29:38.160 a plot to assassinate Trump. He seems to be going along with it. And his defense in court was like,

01:29:45.520 I felt like I was a doomed man and there was nothing I could do. He had a very weird trial.

01:29:51.760 But the plot was to have a mob at a, like a group of people create a distraction at a Trump rally,

01:29:59.380 and then to have a sniper exploit the distraction to target Trump. Butler happens soon after.

01:30:08.160 butler pa thomas matthew crooks who's sort of one of these lone wolf guys who i mean you exposed

01:30:14.400 that he did have a social media footprint but they were just like he's seemingly quite a large

01:30:19.780 social media footprint which is you know clearly in contact with people from foreign countries who

01:30:24.220 we don't whose identities we don't know it didn't seem like there wasn't anything you could find or

01:30:28.940 any investigators could find that connected him to iran oh i don't think he had any connection to

01:30:33.680 right well the day after the butler pa plot mrs trump's ear by a millimeter the fbi rushes down

01:30:43.340 to houston i think it was houston where mershant was being held in prison he had just been arrested

01:30:48.440 and they interrogate him about butler and then mike waltz who is i think he was in congress at

01:30:55.760 the time one of the lifelines of apac one of israel's greatest allies in congress he starts

01:31:01.540 using the opportunity to try to point the finger at Iran for Butler through the Butler

01:31:09.020 Investigative Commission. Israel initiates war in June on Iran. It's unclear what the U.S. is

01:31:20.880 going to do. The war is not going very well for Israel. I think they underestimated Iran's

01:31:25.640 capacity to hit back and to recover after its leadership was assassinated. And Netanyahu has

01:31:30.380 a desperate interview on Fox News with Brett Baer, where he's trying to get the U.S. into the war.

01:31:35.480 And he said, Iran is responsible for Butler. He said, Iran is responsible for two assassination

01:31:41.040 attempts on Trump. He's referring to Butler and the Mar-a-Lago attempt by Ryan Roth,

01:31:47.740 which I can talk about in a second. But he understands that's the way into Trump's head.

01:31:53.980 He's such a liar. And Brett Baer is astonished. He said, what are you talking about? Do you have

01:31:59.060 intelligence on that and netanyahu said yeah through proxies like but it's just his own bs

01:32:05.300 and he's trying to push trump to get into the war by saying iran's trying to kill you you have to

01:32:09.720 take them out so after uh trump flash forward um what eight months trump carries out netanyahu's

01:32:17.660 wish to assassinate ayatollah ali khamenei and his staff and his children and his grandchildren

01:32:23.620 and trump comes out and said i got him before he got me so clearly this psychological pressure

01:32:33.420 and a lot of these um very dubious assassination plots were affecting the way he was thinking

01:32:39.920 um he actually during the 2024 campaign he went on a decoy flight because the fbi told him that

01:32:47.240 irgc agents were in the country with man pads and he went on steve whitkoff's jet and left the rest

01:32:52.300 of his staff to go on trump force one so then so i was in iran to see this funeral and i was stunned

01:33:00.520 by the amount of anger there this is after the signing of the mou um the the anger ended the

01:33:07.640 mou like along with trump violating eight of its terms but people were in the streets crying they

01:33:13.980 were furious they loved they considered soleimani a hero but killing khamenei was like another level

01:33:20.400 And what they would say is,

01:33:21.920 we considered him to be a father, a teacher, a guide.

01:33:26.320 How could you do this?

01:33:27.420 He was 87 years old.

01:33:28.900 And also you slaughtered our children and Minab,

01:33:31.180 like you've slaughtered 130 school children

01:33:33.340 on the same day you killed him.

01:33:34.960 Like, we're not gonna take this.

01:33:36.320 We're a strong nation and we want retaliation.

01:33:39.240 And that means that Trump has to be targeted.

01:33:42.180 And people were holding signs that said, kill Trump.

01:33:45.540 A woman, one woman held up a gold chain

01:33:49.000 and said to me,

01:33:51.080 we're basically collecting a thousand chains

01:33:53.440 for the person who will get justice

01:33:56.520 for what was done to Khamenei, like a bounty.

01:34:00.080 So I interviewed the mayor of Tehran

01:34:03.480 who had run for president,

01:34:06.020 is in the more conservative camp,

01:34:07.840 a critic of the MOU,

01:34:09.640 like a very big critic

01:34:10.640 of the current reformist leadership

01:34:13.500 that wanted a deal.

01:34:15.060 His name is Ali Reza Zakhani.

01:34:19.000 And I asked him, like, is this the policy now? Like, what do you think of all these calls to target Trump and Netanyahu in the streets from people who are furious about this? And he, I should also mention, he was a friend of Soleimani's and of Hassan Rouhani, who died a mysterious death, the former president, who probably should have, who could have been the next Ayatollah.

01:34:40.140 And he said to me, we have to respect their call for sacred justice if we support the revolution. And he goes on. But justice could be achieved by closing the Strait of Hormuz. Revenge could be achieved by removing U.S. bases from the region.

01:35:00.260 revenge could be achieved through actually rolling back the empire that has been suffocating us

01:35:07.200 and that's kind of the response of the iranian establishment they do not want to target trump

01:35:13.080 they don't see any point in it i i also interviewed an iranian academic who understands her society

01:35:19.040 much better than me and you know she reinforced that point and said trump is just a figurehead

01:35:25.360 it wouldn't make any sense anyway abbas aragchi the foreign minister current foreign minister

01:35:30.740 said trump is doing a good enough job of destroying his own um his own career in society why would we

01:35:37.240 want him dead and i believe that that's the case so right after that funeral took place this is

01:35:43.960 july of this year nato happens in ankara and the israelis feed intelligence to the secret service

01:35:52.640 that Trump is going to be,

01:35:54.960 they're IRGC assassins with,

01:35:57.220 again, with man pads, remember that,

01:35:59.280 who are in the country

01:36:00.560 and he can be targeted.

01:36:03.540 And according to many reports

01:36:06.900 in mainstream media,

01:36:08.480 Trump was hidden in a food cart.

01:36:11.240 It's like a scene out of like

01:36:12.580 a Leslie Nielsen comedy from the 90s.

01:36:15.260 He's hidden in a food cart

01:36:16.740 and taken out of Air Force One

01:36:18.620 and put on another decoy flight.

01:36:21.060 um so the israelis manipulated trump into this epic humiliation of hiding in a food court

01:36:28.660 as as they had manipulated him into war by exploiting his greatest psychological vulnerability

01:36:36.100 which is his fear of mortality and his fear for this his very legitimate fear for the safety of

01:36:42.340 his family how is this resolved do you think the war against iran it's a it's going to be a

01:36:52.340 protracted war and i think it could escalate right before the midterms i saw a report about trump

01:37:01.160 appointing two unnamed advisors it's an axios today which is never to be trusted but it's an

01:37:06.460 important uh you know indication of what trump administration's thinking because it's basically

01:37:11.980 like a bulletin board for them uh two u.s officials are putting forward a post-election

01:37:18.200 plan for the middle east well they they have no plan and it's going to fail and the war will

01:37:25.260 likely continue as a protracted war there are many dangers in that as joe kent has pointed out

01:37:33.080 former director of counterterrorism center at um dni who's now you know considered an enemy of this

01:37:41.300 administration because he told the truth and tried to prevent this war um that's one of trump's only

01:37:47.480 real friends in the entire administration i would i would agree uh just to say he told the truth

01:37:53.980 in a way that trump really needed to hear it was almost nobody else would you know the fact that

01:38:00.160 they consider joe kent an enemy says everything about well he believed in america first yes

01:38:05.060 sincerely so many others who've held on seem to just believe in uh trump incorporated yeah he is

01:38:11.600 warning of a nuclear strike yes i think that's the most dire scenario i don't think a u.s ground

01:38:17.640 invasion is very likely iran's economy suffering like when i talk to people i know there who are

01:38:24.740 just like regular middle-class people.

01:38:27.000 They are suffering inflation,

01:38:29.040 but they're not going to head out into the streets anytime soon

01:38:33.640 and seek to overthrow their government.

01:38:35.980 There is a real coming together that I saw in Iran.

01:38:38.800 I was walking through the Tajrish market in northern Tehran.

01:38:44.420 I was just wanting to get some souvenirs on my way out.

01:38:49.580 and you know that's an area where the opposition is to the islamic republic is very strong where

01:38:55.660 wealthier secular iranians live and you know talking to shop owners and people around there

01:39:01.660 you see so many women without what not wearing hijab around there yeah um and you go into the

01:39:06.640 malls at night or the hotels women are like they're dressed like they're going to a club

01:39:10.460 in the united states just to give you an idea of the you know the vibe there the atmosphere

01:39:16.460 and people were just, when I said I'm from the U.S.,

01:39:19.440 they're never furious with me.

01:39:21.120 They just wanted me to know how furious they were

01:39:23.540 about the murder of the girls and the kids in Minab.

01:39:28.040 And there's a rally around the flag effect.

01:39:30.240 So they're willing to take economic pain.

01:39:32.580 The question is, are we as Americans

01:39:34.880 willing to take so much economic pain?

01:39:37.320 Like gas prices went up like 20 cents this week per gallon.

01:39:40.640 Are we willing to take that for Israel?

01:39:43.680 Are we willing to take more dead American soldiers?

01:39:46.460 for Israel, who are like black and brown kids who are just trying to advance in life and maybe save

01:39:51.640 up money through the military, who are being wasted at these bases that no Americans even

01:39:57.160 knew existed? Are we willing? I don't think so. So what I can say is like this war is just opening

01:40:05.960 up contradictions that didn't exist before between the American public and the Israeli agenda. And

01:40:11.920 trump has been caught in between and he's siding with a foreign country except the pain hasn't

01:40:18.220 really started and it was yesterday the diesel fuel on which the entire economy runs hit 10 bucks

01:40:25.180 in california a gallon yep that's the uh what the zionist price hike yes it's not even i mean our

01:40:32.860 fuel pumps aren't even designed to register ten dollars right i mean they're gonna have to change

01:40:40.100 of pumps. So that, you can imagine this becoming not just a squeeze or a downturn, but a catastrophe

01:40:46.600 where people in the United States get poor and people in other countries starve. And like the

01:40:52.680 cost is really high if the Strait remains closed and if the Red Sea remains closed because of Yemen.

01:40:58.180 It's an epic, epic catastrophe. I agree with Robert Kagan, who said that this is a greater

01:41:06.360 catastrophe for the u.s than vietnam he's coming at it from a different angle than me yeah and

01:41:11.000 it's it's it's it's an economic catastrophe because it threatens the dollar as the global

01:41:17.980 reserve that's currency the 40 trillion dollar deficit is costing the u.s the confidence of

01:41:25.600 investors permanently so that's what they're risking here and this war is a major factor in

01:41:31.360 And how long, so this is like another way to gauge what's actually happening.

01:41:35.620 So Trump does follow commodities prices, get them on your phone, and he is worried about it.

01:41:42.300 He's absolutely worried about fuel prices, for example, and not just fuel, food.

01:41:49.600 Those prices go up.

01:41:51.320 He really feels that the only way out is to constrain Israel.

01:41:56.620 So it's just, it's a binary.

01:41:58.240 It's a choice.

01:41:58.940 It's like disaster at home or loyalty to Israel.

01:42:03.640 And he's, at least as of right now,

01:42:05.560 he's choosing loyalty to Israel.

01:42:07.140 So like what could possibly explain that behavior?

01:42:10.320 I just think it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

01:42:11.860 And like nobody's being held accountable

01:42:13.380 in the administration.

01:42:14.780 Pete Hegseth, he's not being held accountable.

01:42:16.500 He's hiring propagandists as secret special employees.

01:42:21.720 They just put Erica Kirk essentially,

01:42:24.760 they just made Erica Kirk essentially

01:42:26.160 a Pentagon propagandist too.

01:42:27.660 She was appointed to the board of the Air Force Academy. It's an absolute joke what they're doing. There's no sense from Trump that anything that has happened hasn't gone according to plan.

01:42:49.780 He keeps saying the Iranian military is destroyed.

01:42:52.440 The Iranian Navy is destroyed.

01:42:54.360 The U.S. controls the Strait of Hormuz.

01:42:57.280 Meanwhile, Ansar Allah, the Houthis, are advancing and taking unprecedented amounts of territory

01:43:04.420 from the fake Yemeni government, which is based in a hotel room in Riyadh.

01:43:09.640 They could close the Bab al-Mandeb, which is another extremely strategic waterway.

01:43:14.160 What would that do to the U.S. economy?

01:43:15.600 There are more cards that Iran can lay down on the table if Trump doesn't start to pull back and find a way out of this.

01:43:24.180 I think he probably does want to find a way out of it.

01:43:26.380 He just doesn't know how.

01:43:29.200 Well, he can't do the one thing that's necessary, which is to constrain Israel.

01:43:32.700 And I just don't understand why.

01:43:35.100 I mean, no matter how much money they promise you or radio shows they sponsor or whatever they're doing,

01:43:39.920 in the end, you're looking at becoming the most unpopular president in the history of our country.

01:43:44.980 Yeah. And I mean, the midterm strategy is all about getting out the base. Trump won because he went beyond his base and people who would not have even voted decided to vote for Trump in 2024.

01:44:01.180 his base is dwindling and part of this also is uh weaponizing the government to target

01:44:07.980 dissenters and calling everyone to the left of barry goldwater in 1964 a communist uh the insane

01:44:16.960 anti-muslim hysteria that they're trying to whip up exploiting the 25th anniversary of 9-11

01:44:23.400 a socialist and accusing me of being too pro-muslim yeah um then you know things have

01:44:29.940 gone completely crazy but that's all they have left is a very dwindling cult-like base that

01:44:35.080 largely consists of you know fox news boomers is mad about sharia law i know they don't like

01:44:41.580 sharia law because it prohibits usury so i get it okay but just kidding sort of but um sorry

01:44:47.960 it does but no but the point is whatever i'm not defending sharia law of course i'm an episcopalian

01:44:53.360 however i don't remember the last time i was frustrated by sharia law it's not like an issue

01:44:58.880 in this country.

01:44:59.800 Prices are an issue.

01:45:00.860 Lack of opportunity is an issue.

01:45:02.880 Drugs are a massive issue.

01:45:05.640 SSRIs that are making everyone crazy

01:45:07.260 and causing mass shootings.

01:45:08.240 There are a lot of issues, right?

01:45:09.480 But Sharia law,

01:45:11.100 they're running on Sharia law?

01:45:12.320 Like what?

01:45:13.080 Who thought this up?

01:45:14.080 That's their strategy

01:45:14.880 against Abdul Syed.

01:45:16.560 You know, you saw Jesse Waters

01:45:17.660 ask him about that in their...

01:45:19.840 That's the candidate in Michigan

01:45:21.280 I supposedly endorsed.

01:45:22.360 That you supposedly...

01:45:23.460 I think like some

01:45:24.820 Manhattan Institute front group

01:45:26.380 said you officially endorsed him.

01:45:28.880 Um, it's just absurd. So I don't know anything about it. Did you or of course not? I don't endorse anybody. I'm a podcaster. But moreover, I just know the guy he's running against. He's a loathsome person who is exactly that. Mike Rogers is exactly the Republican you run if you want to lose. And they ran him before he lost. Yeah, because no normal person ever vote for Mike Rogers.

01:45:53.260 He is the embodiment of everything that is ugly, immoral, and stupid about the national security state.

01:45:59.460 He is a tool of repression.

01:46:02.000 I mean, he's totally for warrantless spying and searches and, like, everything that conservatives should be against.

01:46:08.020 Mike Rogers is not a conservative, to put it mildly.

01:46:11.840 So I said, this is craziness.

01:46:14.140 You're Mike Rogers?

01:46:15.600 No way.

01:46:16.880 And they're like, well, you endorse the Muslim guy.

01:46:20.320 Okay.

01:46:21.840 He's like the distillation of everything disgusting about the neocons.

01:46:25.860 Actually, actually, craven, stupid, but mostly just doesn't care about the United States and what's happening here.

01:46:34.940 People will say, oh, well, Max Blumenthal, he's a leftist.

01:46:37.000 If we Google him, it says far left.

01:46:38.480 So fine.

01:46:39.400 It's not about me or what I think about this race.

01:46:41.900 It's about what Michiganders think.

01:46:44.460 And their economy is linked to Canada.

01:46:49.360 Trump kind of screwed Mike Rogers

01:46:50.960 with initiating a trade war with Canada.

01:46:55.040 I mean, so much of Michigan's exports depend on Canada.

01:46:59.340 Cars are being assembled,

01:47:01.700 like they're getting parts from there.

01:47:03.360 So, I mean, there are all of these kitchen table issues

01:47:05.700 that are being completely ignored

01:47:07.180 for these boutique fanatical causes

01:47:11.640 like creeping Sharia.

01:47:14.180 And there's not,

01:47:16.080 Trump is not setting the stage for a new generation of conservatives to come in enthusiastically and support whatever comes after him.

01:47:25.960 I think what happened at TPUSA is a great kind of metaphor for what's happening overall with MAGA.

01:47:32.940 It's sort of like a microcosm for what's happened to MAGA with the untimely death removal of Charlie Kirk,

01:47:40.660 who was being forced to reckon with the fact that his base, the young conservatives, were done with

01:47:48.580 Israel. They were sick of it. They didn't think it comported with America first. And he was starting

01:47:54.100 to get in tune with them. I see no evidence, just in case anyone's watching this and trying to call

01:48:00.120 me some conspiracy theorist. I see no evidence. I have no evidence that Israel was responsible

01:48:05.240 for his assassination. But what happened was with one bullet, one of the greatest threats to

01:48:11.340 Israel's control over the movement he represented was removed. He was like the only guy with that

01:48:17.800 level of power who could get in the Oval Office with Trump, who was even willing to lobby Trump

01:48:22.500 against joining the Israeli war on Iran back in June 2025. He was the only one who could get in

01:48:32.220 the way and get in tune with the younger conservative base that was filling up TPUSA

01:48:37.920 events, and he's gone. And what replaced him? Erica Kirk, who seems to be herself a complete

01:48:46.560 tool for the national security state, which is why she's on the board of the Air Force Academy now,

01:48:51.640 whose mother was a defense contractor who helped kind of launch her first foundation,

01:48:58.820 and who has allowed Israel back into the building.

01:49:02.700 Remember, I mean, I broke the story

01:49:04.200 about Dr. Bob, Bob Shillman,

01:49:07.440 the largest donor to TPUSA,

01:49:09.600 who is an Israel-first centimillionaire

01:49:11.780 who also sponsored the career of Laura Loomer.

01:49:14.320 He wanted his name on a building at TPUSA's campus

01:49:17.120 in, I think, Scottsdale.

01:49:19.980 And days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated,

01:49:23.380 he denounced him at a private gala,

01:49:25.440 an awards gala in LA and said,

01:49:27.040 I'm not giving him the $2 million.

01:49:28.820 I managed to confirm that and reported it.

01:49:32.440 It's true.

01:49:33.660 I don't know if Bob Shillman is funding TPUSA,

01:49:36.640 but I uncovered a contract.

01:49:38.540 Why did he not give the money?

01:49:40.820 What was he mad about?

01:49:41.740 That's a great question that I haven't explained.

01:49:43.900 Charlie Kirk was opposing the war on Iran.

01:49:46.620 He was questioning the,

01:49:49.720 he was questioning Israeli,

01:49:53.180 the pro-Israel control over himself.

01:49:55.660 He went on Megyn Kelly's show in May of 2025, or was it later, and complained about Jewish stakeholders and supporters who are becoming hyper-controlling and demanding and telling him that he has to care obsessively about a foreign country.

01:50:13.980 I also exposed how there was a secret influencer summit convened by the pro-Israel billionaire Bill Ackman in the Hamptons in August of 2025.

01:50:26.540 And Charlie Kirk was there and he was screamed at by this Zionist lawyer, Natasha Hausdorff, because he started questioning why he had to center everything around Israel and why he couldn't host you at his youth conferences.

01:50:42.620 That's what they were demanding.

01:50:43.660 No Tucker Carlson on the stage.

01:50:45.080 I spoke at a lot of them and really enjoyed it.

01:50:47.380 Every one, you know.

01:50:48.800 So now it's like TPUSA,

01:50:51.020 if you look at the way it's talked about

01:50:52.860 in the conservative grassroots,

01:50:55.240 like anything or any organic person would talk about it,

01:50:59.000 it's seen as an op or like a psyop.

01:51:01.320 It's regarded with deep suspicion.

01:51:03.720 And I got a leaked contract between them

01:51:06.440 and a group called the International Fellowship

01:51:09.020 of Christians and Jews,

01:51:10.580 which is a very shady organization which is the second largest non-governmental donor

01:51:16.920 to the government of israel its president is based in israel and they had pledged seven hundred

01:51:22.820 thousand dollars to tp usa uh in may of 2025 when charlie kirk was alive and he was you know i think

01:51:32.800 what he was saying about israeli control over the movement about iran was threatening that donation

01:51:40.040 as well as many others. But under Erica Kirk, it's very clear that that donation has continued.

01:51:46.140 And now the TPUSA faith events that you see, including one recently in El Paso,

01:51:52.300 where an Israeli flag was draped on the stage, those are being sponsored in part by the

01:51:57.880 International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And these events are in churches?

01:52:02.240 They're in churches. And this is just- Why would an American church put, by the way,

01:52:05.880 any national flag in a Christian church. I've never understood that, but certainly a foreign

01:52:10.840 flag in a Christian American church, like why would you do that? Yeah. Well, if you are the

01:52:19.900 International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, you basically want them to be good little foot

01:52:26.160 soldiers for this foreign country's agenda by exploiting their interpretation of the Bible

01:52:33.660 in the end times, the IFCJ, this group, they have an agenda to plant three million flags

01:52:40.900 in churches globally. But also what they do, they're a deeply corrupt organization. Their

01:52:46.180 founder, who's now dead, Yaquil Ekstein, he paid himself $1.2 million. He paid his family

01:52:52.440 hundreds of thousands of dollars. They raise money from poor and working class Christians

01:52:57.560 around the, not just in the US, but in Latin America, where like half the population lives

01:53:02.400 below the poverty line. And they give it to Israeli organizations and extremely wealthy

01:53:09.380 pro-Israel-American Jewish organizations like the Jewish Federations. They also are giving money

01:53:15.860 to failing media organizations like Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire, which has had to lay off executives.

01:53:23.020 They have dwindling viewership. He's been bleeding YouTube subscribers. And so he has a paid

01:53:30.080 partnership with IFCJ and he hosts interviews with their new president, Yael Eckstein. Who else

01:53:37.800 gets paid partnerships with them? Mark Levin, I think has one. Ted Cruz, and this is wild. This

01:53:44.680 is so wild. Ted Cruz has a paid partnership with IFCJ and- Now? He's a senator. He's a sitting

01:53:53.600 senator. Well, seemingly that would be legal because they're technically a non-governmental

01:53:58.020 group, but he's also taking ads. Ads are running on his show on iHeartMedia from the Israeli

01:54:03.740 government itself. And iHeartMedia has an arrangement with Ted Cruz to donate that

01:54:10.260 revenue to a PAC, I think it's called Truth and Courage, associated with Ted Cruz that supports

01:54:16.800 his re-elections. What? So indirectly, it looks like the Israeli government is supporting Ted Cruz,

01:54:23.360 whose office is basically um wait is that illegal can a u.s senator take foreign money

01:54:30.100 for a campaign you would think it would be but uh i don't know pam bondy got rid of the foreign

01:54:36.540 corrupt practices division of the department of justice which is involved in farah right when she

01:54:41.340 came in uh so there there there's all kinds of this is this is shady i don't know why it's legal

01:54:50.900 It was upsetting Charlie Kirk. And now there's no resistance to Israel or these Israeli proxies.

01:55:01.100 Actually, after Charlie Kirk was killed, the IFCJ, International Fellowship of Christians and Jews,

01:55:07.120 which channels money from working class Christians to powerful Jewish groups and Israel,

01:55:12.400 hosted an event in Jerusalem alongside the Israeli foreign ministry. And they gave an award to Erica

01:55:19.080 kirk uh in the name of charlie kirk and they wanted to basically claim charlie kirk and bury

01:55:25.080 this whole thing that you know he was this whole crisis that he had caused for them and erica kirk

01:55:31.200 started getting criticized when word leaked that she was going to accept the prize because

01:55:35.660 you know as we understand younger conservatives are not very happy about the way israel is

01:55:43.100 um influencing the u.s government and so andrew colvett who's their pr guy said no this is all

01:55:52.640 fake erica kirk had nothing to do with this uh and it was too soon it was too soon for them to

01:55:58.560 embrace israel but then she goes on a town hall with uh barry weiss on cbs like a very eerie and

01:56:05.320 cringeworthy town hall um the whole thing felt staged barry weiss tried to humiliate her really

01:56:11.640 Yeah. There was an element of that, Barry Weiss being the self-proclaimed Zionist fanatic who is the editor-in-chief of CBS News installed by Larry Ellison's son, who's himself very connected to Israel. And Erica Kirk said, why would anyone hate Israel? Me and Charlie went there and we walked when we saw the Bible come alive. How could anyone hate that place? Charlie loved Israel. And so she's already trying to reverse his position.

01:56:37.480 She was asked, do you oppose the war on Iran? And she refused to answer the question. So that's gone. But what's also gone is TPUSA's credibility. And since I published that leaked contract and my whole analysis of everything that's happened over the past year at the gray zone, all we've heard from TPUSA is that a statue of Charlie Kirk was defaced at their campus.

01:57:04.360 and that's all they're focusing on.

01:57:05.680 They're not responding to anything.

01:57:06.840 Like Andrew Colvitt didn't respond to me.

01:57:10.560 And, you know, I hope they produce CCTV footage

01:57:13.220 showing that and they catch whoever did that,

01:57:15.920 which is disgraceful,

01:57:17.260 but they have, that's what they're focused on.

01:57:20.640 It's so sad to see.

01:57:21.920 And I really have, obviously I know all those people

01:57:24.100 and I've tried to get,

01:57:25.320 and I like a lot of the most of them, really.

01:57:28.080 I like most people,

01:57:29.320 but I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt

01:57:31.500 and they're in a super tough spot and I get it.

01:57:34.400 Oh, yeah.

01:57:34.860 One thing I really do resent is the idea that when you bring up stuff like this,

01:57:39.280 some of the people you mentioned will say to you, you know, you're kind of obsessed with the Jews.

01:57:44.780 It's like, well, I'm in no sense obsessed with the Jews, obsessed with my kids,

01:57:49.780 and a lot of things, but not the Jews at all.

01:57:52.960 Other people are obsessed with Israel in a way that's really destructive and ugly, I think.

01:57:58.880 But it's not even, quote, Jews who are doing this.

01:58:01.660 it's the Christian Zionists who are doing it.

01:58:03.620 And so like, it's like not a good faith response at all.

01:58:07.260 Why is there an Israeli flag in a church at your event?

01:58:11.000 Shame on you.

01:58:11.900 Like, it's super simple.

01:58:13.080 And they'll be like, oh, you hate the Jews.

01:58:15.120 Okay.

01:58:15.840 Nope, don't hate the Jews.

01:58:17.180 Hate that behavior.

01:58:18.360 Isn't the point of Christian Zionism

01:58:19.920 to make Christians obsessed with the Jews?

01:58:22.340 Because you place Jews at the center of history

01:58:24.340 and you are dependent on the Jews

01:58:27.500 in order to achieve the rapture.

01:58:30.600 I've read the New Testament a lot, like every day, and I just don't see any of that in the

01:58:34.720 New Testament. So I really don't know what it is exactly. I think there are an awful lot of very

01:58:39.200 nice Christian Zionists who are decent people, and I would give them my routing number and have

01:58:42.900 no fear of theft. However, there is a spell that settles over people, and you wind up with a lot

01:58:50.060 of people, including some I know, who are like, no, no, no. We need to support people who reject

01:58:55.040 Jesus as they kill Christian children because Jesus wants us to. And it's like, can you hear

01:58:59.760 yourself. That is not what the New Testament tells us. Like, I'm just, I don't know where

01:59:04.760 you're coming up with that. Well, yeah, I mean, that would be one Christian interpretation.

01:59:10.640 I don't think it's a Christian interpretation. Another Christian interpretation comes from

01:59:14.340 Pastor John Hagee, which is that all Jews need to be gathered in the quote-unquote Holy Land,

01:59:22.540 which is greater Israel, in order for the rapture to take place. And that Hitler actually was part

01:59:28.620 of the rapture because he helped establish Israel through the Jewish genocide in Europe. And that

01:59:35.140 Herzl was also part of the rapture in that he brought, he created this concept through which

01:59:42.020 Jews could be gathered. He said that. He calls it Hitler was a hunter and Herzl was a fisher or

01:59:48.120 something like that. He also said that the Antichrist, I mean, he said so many bizarre

01:59:54.940 um things but the point is they want christians to be obsessed with the jews and they want them

02:00:03.040 to be philo-semitic to the point where i get deeply uncomfortable philo-semitism feels like

02:00:08.180 the other side of the coin of course from anti-semitism have you ever heard the ads that

02:00:13.760 the ifcj this uh israeli-based group which is sponsoring tpusa has been running like all across

02:00:22.020 the radio in the U.S., they come on and they say, you can save one Jew for $700. You can rescue a

02:00:31.200 Jew from a life of antisemitism by sending them on one of our freedom flights to Israel. Give us

02:00:37.600 your money and save a Jew. And it's like, look at the state of Jewish life in the U.S. Do we need

02:00:43.580 to be saved? I mean, this is crazy, but they've convinced people that they have to give them

02:00:48.320 their money to do that. I think that's such a smart

02:00:50.340 point. I used to, yeah,

02:00:52.600 I used to hear this from,

02:00:54.880 you know,

02:00:56.900 I knew a couple black leaders

02:00:58.460 who I didn't agree with on a lot of things,

02:01:00.640 but they always hated white liberals, and I did too.

02:01:03.140 We hate them for different reasons, but

02:01:04.340 they dislike white liberals because they would have this sort

02:01:06.380 of fake worshipful attitude, like

02:01:08.200 you're holy because you're black, and

02:01:10.440 they're like, it makes me uncomfortable.

02:01:12.240 Like, I'm just a person. It's important to

02:01:14.340 treat people as human beings

02:01:15.860 and not obviously denigrate or dehumanize them.

02:01:18.920 Of course, that's evil, but also not deify them.

02:01:21.980 That's also evil.

02:01:23.180 Like they're people just like us, just like me,

02:01:25.060 just like you, do you know what I mean?

02:01:26.200 Like there's a very, that is the flip side of hate actually.

02:01:30.600 Yep, and you are told in Christian Zionist churches

02:01:36.500 and there's actually a film, I'm forgetting the name.

02:01:40.180 It was made by Israeli filmmakers

02:01:41.480 showing a church in Appalachia

02:01:43.680 where the pastor is telling young people

02:01:47.720 that the Jews are better than you.

02:01:50.260 Those are his exact words.

02:01:51.440 It's going viral on X right now, clips of this film.

02:01:54.600 But I've seen that, you know,

02:01:55.940 going to Christians United for Israel conferences

02:01:58.420 and seeing the way they treat me

02:01:59.780 when they see my name is Blumenthal.

02:02:01.660 How do they treat you?

02:02:03.060 They're like, oh, Blumenthal, wow.

02:02:05.040 Well, you know, you're Jewish

02:02:06.240 and we just believe that, you know,

02:02:08.380 you are special and you are blessed

02:02:11.120 and they want to be Jewish.

02:02:13.280 And they blow shofars and they wear tallit, the Jewish prayer cloth, and they basically impersonate Jews. It's kind of like a minstrel show. I had the same reaction a black person would have to seeing Al Jolson in his prime.

02:02:29.440 and and in israel's behind this whole thing apact helped set up that organization

02:02:34.960 uh they are dependent on that organization and they are running a basically

02:02:41.140 phylo-semitic minstrel show across the heartland

02:02:45.120 so how does this i mean it doesn't feel like this whole moment can end well

02:02:51.520 like what's your how do you think in the end this is resolved i don't know will this podcast end

02:02:56.860 well like what's going to happen to me when i walk out i don't know i mean by the way i don't

02:03:01.060 think you've said i mean i know you haven't said anything hateful or unfair i you know you said a

02:03:07.340 lot of things i haven't personally reported but i i think you're a meticulous reporter i don't think

02:03:13.660 you've been attacked too much for being wrong i think you've been attacked for having unpopular

02:03:17.700 opinions which are two different things yeah i mean for from how will this all end from from my

02:03:23.600 point of view um i can't we've got two words i'm not i'm not i'm not professor jang no i kind of

02:03:30.840 love that guy every time we had him on i must have gotten 100 texts he's this is an op it's a

02:03:35.200 psyop and it's like okay first of all what isn't but i'm not even sure whatever but i still think

02:03:40.820 he's interesting yeah i i i crossed paths with him in la so i interviewed him driving around and

02:03:46.020 we were like driving around skid row and i was just getting his impressions because i i'm in

02:03:51.360 favor of engaging with people with different perspectives. Oh, me too. And I got the same

02:03:55.800 thing, like a hundred people probably from another perspective saying he's an op or he's this or

02:04:01.960 that. Don't you think he's interesting as a thinker? It was an interesting conversation.

02:04:05.740 I avoid, people love to hear people make bold predictions and then try to back it up and double

02:04:10.620 down even when they're proven wrong. Of course. Oh gosh. And I'm just not going to, I'm not going

02:04:14.740 to do that. I guess I just feel like we've got simultaneous crises accelerating at once. We've

02:04:21.140 this war in eastern europe you got this war in the middle east and you have the collapse of the

02:04:25.940 two-party system what hasn't collapsed but i mean it's been revealed as fake and you have

02:04:32.100 very intense discontent at the center of both parties and then you have this looming financial

02:04:37.540 disaster that's a lot at once yeah you would it would seemingly be a major blow to unipolar us

02:04:47.540 power yeah i think you know the whole the whole world of that the the the whole um psychological

02:04:58.500 world that the neocons created in the 1990s as reality like they actually convinced the american

02:05:07.560 political class a large section of american society and the u.s corporate media that their

02:05:16.240 worldview was reality and they got the iraq war out of it and so on they did that reality has

02:05:22.360 completely shattered and what we're going to see is just an increasing growing clash between our

02:05:32.980 i i don't know what to call them it would be crude to call them the ruling class

02:05:38.080 but that's what they are um a 0.1 of the united states who is increasingly afraid of the rest of

02:05:49.000 the public knows they no longer have consensus for their agenda no leadership in either party

02:05:55.220 has real credibility or identity after trump we can't even we no one can even visualize who the

02:06:02.680 democratic candidate might be that's right there is a deep-seated fear or the republican candidate

02:06:08.220 for that matter there's a deep-seated fear of um stochastic violence or terrorism from the 0.1

02:06:17.640 carried out by lone wolf individuals like luigi mangioni against the ultra rich as well as direct

02:06:25.100 action protest and they're classifying everyone as terrorists, which we all saw coming after the

02:06:34.400 Patriot Act was passed. And now it's sort of reaching its culmination. And so what we can say

02:06:40.080 is the U.S. will be less democratic. The U.S. public will be less economically stable. The

02:06:49.100 country will be more politically unstable and there will be more and more desire for a kind

02:06:56.200 of political insurgency yet there's no clear leadership who are the leaders right now who are

02:07:01.980 the who are who are the figures that people look to one of them is you i never would have thought

02:07:08.360 that although you know having known you for several years i'm not entirely surprised um that

02:07:14.580 now you can like walk through an airport in a liberal city and people are like um approving

02:07:21.400 of what you're saying um people look to comedians like jimmy dore or tim dylan comedians have far

02:07:28.980 more credibility in our culture than politicians and people are looking for real credible independent

02:07:35.360 journalism that isn't corporate journalism because they finally understand the point that

02:07:40.680 um michael parenti made in his book inventing reality which is one of the most important books

02:07:47.160 about the media which is that the i the concept of reality or of objectivity within the media

02:07:55.880 is a ruse or a device which corporate media enforces in order to enforce their own ideology

02:08:05.460 which is now coming out what is their own ideology it's whatever palantir's ideology is

02:08:11.140 it's whatever larry ellison's ideology is it's whoever their whatever their corporate master's

02:08:16.420 ideology is and of course they are militantly zionist as the u.s population is turning against

02:08:22.520 a special relationship with israel so in that respect it's it's a it's it's a generally good

02:08:29.240 time for media and the problem is there's no political leadership to guide this anywhere

02:08:38.400 and it may be off limits in our political system that will be exposed very shortly

02:08:43.600 yeah i mean there is a red line there somewhere i mean it's one thing to talk about

02:08:49.560 what changes we should have on a podcast say yeah it's another thing to try to affect those

02:08:54.560 changes in the political arena and that's when we find out exactly yeah i mean what's up yeah i mean

02:09:02.080 i agree uh but i think do americans want a violent revolution no no of course they want to see real

02:09:10.100 reforms and we haven't seen them i don't think there have been any important reforms in my entire

02:09:16.080 life never all we've seen we still have carried interest in the tax code nafta and what happened

02:09:21.600 to ross perot when he campaigned against it uh the the um the the federal communications act

02:09:27.840 the deregulating media um no and real antitrust legislation nothing to bring down prices i mean

02:09:37.260 just a constant uh constant conveyor belt of deregulation and uh still the public

02:09:47.560 has nothing to hope for right now so that's so i so what can i say it sounds like a black pill but

02:09:54.960 i just got to say one thing because i can't and it's about me so i'm embarrassed but i just have

02:09:58.880 to say because i just realized it so 1996 30 years ago i'm working at the weekly standard for bill

02:10:03.900 crystal with bob kagan yeah david brooks and you know the whole cast and uh of neocons i got along

02:10:10.980 with them all, John Putards. And I'm 26 or whatever. And Bill Kristol assigns me a piece

02:10:17.560 on Ross Perot. And basically my marching orders are, he's crazy, go prove it. So I write this

02:10:25.580 piece and it was my first cover story. And it was called, Is He Nuts? And Bill Kristol called

02:10:31.860 around and got me in every TV show to promote this piece or whatever. And I remember feeling,

02:10:35.280 it was a decently written piece. It was incredibly nasty in the way that young people write really

02:10:39.560 nasty magazine pieces, as I know you know. And it was 25 years before I realized I'd been

02:10:45.040 completely used. To my shame. I mean, I agreed to it. I did it. It's all my fault. But I was used

02:10:50.960 to stop Perot, not because he was crazy. Everyone in politics is crazy. He's like one of the least

02:10:57.580 crazy people in politics. He married to the same woman his whole life, right? He wasn't crazy,

02:11:00.900 really, compared to what? Lindsey Graham? John McCain? No, because he had a take on economics

02:11:08.420 that wasn't populist exactly,

02:11:10.020 but it wasn't neoliberal.

02:11:12.040 And that was the real threat.

02:11:13.360 And they hated him for that.

02:11:14.420 Yeah.

02:11:15.340 Yeah.

02:11:16.180 And he was a extremely wealthy,

02:11:20.380 eccentric character

02:11:21.480 who was comfortable in his rank,

02:11:23.020 who couldn't be pushed around

02:11:24.280 and didn't care.

02:11:25.240 Smart.

02:11:25.700 That's the fear

02:11:27.160 or the fear of someone like a Roosevelt

02:11:29.360 taking on the economic royalist

02:11:31.400 who comes from American aristocracy.

02:11:33.580 That's right.

02:11:34.000 I think there's a fear of you

02:11:35.600 for the same reason

02:11:36.620 that you just feel too comfortable in who you are.

02:11:40.320 I don't know if you would ever consider running.

02:11:42.920 I have no interest in running for anything ever,

02:11:44.620 but I certainly feel comfortable in who I am

02:11:46.020 and I'm not intimidated by them.

02:11:47.160 That's for sure.

02:11:47.840 Who are these people?

02:11:48.900 Yeah.

02:11:49.860 That's how I feel.

02:11:51.120 But anyway.

02:11:52.760 Yeah, and I want, you know,

02:11:54.880 that's how I come out of this whole episode

02:11:56.940 of being targeted by Randy Fine and Laura Loomer.

02:12:00.020 It's like, I'm not going to be intimidated.

02:12:02.120 I'm going to escalate journalistic activities.

02:12:06.620 I was actually a couple weeks ago, not far from here in Vermont at the Bread and Puppet Farm. And that's, you know, it was one of the first and now the last sort of anti-imperialist puppet troops. And they put on this really fun anti-war circus and people come from miles around to watch it. And I gave a talk there. They hosted me to talk in a barn.

02:12:29.400 And I learned about the history of Bread and Puppet. It was founded by this figure named Peter Schumann, who's now 92. His family were liberal Germans. They were not Jewish, but they opposed the Nazi regime. They fled Nazi Germany. He met a woman, Elke Neering, I believe her name was, who helped him sharpen his politics.

02:12:50.980 And I learned about her grandfather, who was named Scott Nearing, who apparently with his wife had a farm not far from here where we're sitting, and he helped popularize the homesteading movement.

02:13:03.980 Scott Nearing was one of the major opponents of World War I.

02:13:09.440 He saw it as kind of a war for the plutocrats, that the only winners of this war in which the senior class of Princeton was liquidated in minutes in battles was the plutocracy.

02:13:20.660 And you read his arguments then and what he was saying in debates. It's very similar to what I'm hearing now from opponents of the Iran war. And he ran for Congress in New York against Fiorella LaGuardia, who was coming back from World War I as this great war hero.

02:13:40.520 And the Republican Party and the Democratic Party closed ranks and essentially conspired to stop Scott Nearing from winning a congressional seat because he opposed what both parties truly agreed on.

02:13:55.580 He opposed the duopoly back then.

02:13:58.420 He was prosecuted under the Espionage Act.

02:14:01.380 He was basically driven out of polite society, and that's how he got into homesteading and selling maple syrup.

02:14:08.060 He thought it was the only way he could have intellectual freedom.

02:14:10.860 And it brought him up here to where you spend a lot of time.

02:14:15.140 And so I think we have to consider that, like politics within both parties is increasingly

02:14:20.800 off limits to people who think independently and are willing to call out bankers' wars.

02:14:27.000 Where is the path forward?

02:14:28.560 And I don't have an answer to that.

02:14:29.860 I'm a journalist.

02:14:30.360 Could there be a third party, including in this upcoming presidential campaign, that could actually bring people together, that could put the divisive culture war issues to the side and focus on what people really seem to be agreeing on, opposition to AI superintelligence, Skynet, opposition to data centers taking over our resources and communities, opposition to flock cameras?

02:15:00.360 opposition to the special relationship with israel which is driving us to war and destroying our

02:15:04.920 economy support for like reforms do you think that's possible in america anymore i haven't

02:15:12.860 the faintest idea i hope so i hope so but i do i do think um it'd be tough with the current system

02:15:20.100 i do think but i don't know we'll find out it's mid-september we've got the midterm elections

02:15:27.840 the first Tuesday in November,

02:15:29.160 and I think it'll be a much clearer picture after that.

02:15:34.220 I will be reading you as I always do,

02:15:36.540 and I'm just grateful you spent all this time here.

02:15:39.600 Max Blumenthal.

02:15:41.340 Great seeing you.

02:15:42.320 And good luck, man.

02:15:43.880 They want to hurt you, but I'm thankful for you.

02:15:47.160 Same to you.

02:15:47.920 Thank you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - September 21, 2026

Max Blumenthal on His Iran Trip, Being Detained by Trump & the Globalist Chokehold on American Media

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