The Tucker Carlson Show - September 18, 2026


Parents of Alleged J6 Pipe Bomber Say the Government Is Framing Their Son

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00:00:34.360 Thank you all for doing this.
00:00:36.460 I first heard about this case almost immediately from someone in the U.S. government who called me and said,
00:00:41.400 this is the Netflix story that you don't think could actually be real,
00:00:46.660 where the U.S. government arrests someone for a grave crime knowing that he didn't commit it.
00:00:51.360 So I was going to say up front what I think and what informed people in the U.S. government think.
00:00:57.140 So I want to frame the conversation around that.
00:01:00.880 Again, thank you.
00:01:02.160 Let's start with Brian Cole Sr.
00:01:04.860 Where were you, how did you find out your son had been arrested?
00:01:07.780 Well, I was in a hotel in Alabama.
00:01:10.700 I was traveling, working.
00:01:13.160 And a DOJ officer, FBI agent, gave me a call.
00:01:18.760 And he started asking, he was asking me a few questions.
00:01:21.960 And he was informing me that, you know, they had picked up my son.
00:01:26.960 So, you know, prior to that, it was about 6 a.m. in the morning.
00:01:31.440 I was looking at TV and looking at the news.
00:01:36.060 And, you know, they were talking about they were making an arrest on the J-6 pipe bomber.
00:01:44.500 And maybe 30 minutes later, I get the phone call.
00:01:47.300 Did they say who it was?
00:01:48.140 they didn't they didn't say who it was when i the the initial the report you were report that i was
00:01:55.780 watching they didn't say who it was they said he was in the process of making an arrest and um
00:02:01.040 and then like 30 minutes later i get did you think i wonder if that's my son no not never in a million
00:02:07.100 years it went no absolutely not and they they called and uh uh i was talking to him and he
00:02:14.560 He stated that, you know, he was, I couldn't remember his name, but he was with FBI and, you know, they picked up my son and, you know, I didn't, I didn't know, I didn't grasp it for a second because it was so early in the morning.
00:02:29.360 And then as he was talking to me, the news were on and I can see, you know, they mentioned the name.
00:02:38.220 And when they mentioned the name, I said, man, you mean to tell me you're on the phone telling me that the person they're talking about on TV is my son?
00:02:46.160 And he was like, yes, you know what I mean?
00:02:47.880 And he was like, they already reporting on the news?
00:02:50.480 I said, yeah, it's all over the news right now.
00:02:52.980 And then from there, wasn't even 20 seconds later, I started getting phone calls from reporters.
00:02:59.260 And that's how I found out.
00:03:01.700 What did you think?
00:03:02.640 Like, you know, in a situation like that, Tucker, man, there was so many things running through your mind because you're wondering what's going on.
00:03:11.040 Like, you know, it's hard to explain.
00:03:16.660 You don't, to wake up to something like that six or seven o'clock in the morning and someone telling you that your son has just been picked up, he's this infamous person, you don't know what to think.
00:03:30.520 You really don't.
00:03:31.480 I didn't know what was going on.
00:03:33.220 So the first thing I tried to do was try to get in contact with this mother.
00:03:37.740 And we were all unsuccessful.
00:03:40.840 And then my kids started calling them because each one of them, they made contact with each one of them in person.
00:03:49.800 And that's when we went to the ring cam and we saw what was going on.
00:03:58.520 And, you know, we saw actually what was going on.
00:04:00.520 And that's why we knew we couldn't get in contact with her because, you know, they raided the house and took her out the house.
00:04:09.920 And you were at home when the raid began?
00:04:11.600 Yes, my grandson and I.
00:04:13.560 Your grandson.
00:04:15.000 Tell us what happened.
00:04:16.840 So I woke up, I guess, around 8.
00:04:21.140 And around 8.15 or so, I heard a siren.
00:04:24.220 So I'm thinking, you know, my elderly neighbor across the street that something was wrong.
00:04:29.180 So I'm like, oh, well, I, you know, I hope Graham's is okay.
00:04:33.000 Can I say for people who don't know, since I do know, you live in a cul-de-sac in a suburban neighborhood.
00:04:38.240 You don't have a lot of sirens in your neighborhood. 0.57
00:04:40.140 No, and that, you know, and I'm like, wow, you know, because she's, she's elderly.
00:04:45.300 And next thing you hear is come out with your hands up.
00:04:50.180 This is the FBI.
00:04:51.160 I get up out of the bed and I go look out my window and the cul-de-sac is filled you have
00:05:01.700 three different trucks with I don't know if they're rams or or machine guns pointed towards
00:05:11.220 my house you have cars in the cul-de-sac you have gunmans with rifle all behind the trucks
00:05:20.040 and behind the trees with rifle you could see rifles facing the house so i get dressed i go
00:05:27.320 wake my grandson up and tell him the fbi is outside you gotta get dressed and come on outside
00:05:34.400 um i said don't don't take forever um so i get up and and i go outside um and they tell me to
00:05:43.700 come towards them and soon as i got to them they took my phone and they handcuffed me and put me
00:05:48.860 in the truck and then my grandson came out a few minutes later they handcuffed you yes they
00:05:55.040 handcuffed me and put me in a truck my grandson came out a few minutes later um they grabbed his
00:06:00.100 phone from him handcuffed him and put him in a truck how old is your grandson my grandson is 17
00:06:04.360 he was 16 then though he was 16 yeah he well he was about turn 17 because he turned 17 on the 14th
00:06:11.420 um and i told them you know be careful because my my son is still in the house um because i hadn't
00:06:18.160 gotten to his room to to tell him um and so you know and we're you know just sitting i'm like you
00:06:25.460 know what's happening what's going on i don't did they tell you why they were handcuffing you
00:06:29.380 not at the beginning no he they just said we'll tell you in a few you wake up from a dead sleep
00:06:33.680 to sirens you look out the window and there are men with rifles aiming at your house yes come out
00:06:39.120 with your hands up you have no idea what's going on none none um and no one explains to you why
00:06:46.140 They're handcuffing you and putting you in the back of a car?
00:06:48.120 No.
00:06:48.520 And again, you know, you have to realize because of what we do for a living, you know, there's a lot on the line if we don't do what we're supposed to do.
00:06:59.420 So I should say that you all run a family business with a big extended family, including your son, Brian Cole Jr., who worked there.
00:07:06.480 Yes.
00:07:07.040 The bail bonds business, you've had it for a long time, kind of multi-generational, and it's a pretty big business, I think.
00:07:14.280 Yes.
00:07:15.400 And you're licensed in order to run that business,
00:07:18.260 including to carry firearms, because it's bail bonds, right?
00:07:20.400 It's like sort of a subset of law enforcement.
00:07:22.780 Yes.
00:07:23.260 And so I just want to give context for people who don't know.
00:07:26.840 No, you're explaining it well.
00:07:28.500 And so you're handcuffed in the back of a car.
00:07:32.400 Then you see your grandson handcuffed, teenage grandson.
00:07:37.440 What are you thinking? 0.99
00:07:39.340 What the hell? 0.99
00:07:40.660 Can I say hell? 0.98
00:07:41.560 Oh, yes, ma'am.
00:07:42.140 Wow. So I'm like, what the hell? You know, what is what is all of this? You know, because, you know, we are a nice, boring family. So I don't understand where all this is coming from. And, you know, so they they they come and then they just tell me some people are going to come talk to you. 0.93
00:08:00.520 I'm like what the world and I'm not paying attention at the time this passing um that
00:08:08.300 Brian hasn't you know joined us and and so you know and then I start as a grandmother would
00:08:15.840 start getting on my grandson like you're supposed to be in school so I'm paying attention fussing
00:08:22.180 at him um I'm sorry to laugh it's so crazy and and then all of a sudden he said they cleared the
00:08:28.400 house and he said okay we're going to go in and they're going to tell you um but your son brian
00:08:34.040 has been arrested as the j6 bomber and you go blank because you hear what they're saying
00:08:43.220 but because it's brian you like no you most definitely got the wrong person this cannot
00:08:53.140 No, this is not Pharrell.
00:08:56.360 And he was like, yeah, we arrested him and he is downstairs, downtown at headquarters already.
00:09:02.760 Now, mind you, he, we, and as he said, we went back and looked at the ring camera.
00:09:08.240 He left the house about six something, almost seven o'clock.
00:09:11.820 So they had already had him by the time they did all this fanfare.
00:09:16.180 But if they'd already arrested your son, who they claim was a suspect in this attempted bombing, why were they pointing rifles at you and handcuffing you?
00:09:26.660 Were you ever charged with a crime?
00:09:28.000 No, no.
00:09:29.660 And that was one of their questions.
00:09:31.160 They continuously asked us, you know, did we know anything about this?
00:09:35.060 Did we know anything about this?
00:09:36.420 Well, no.
00:09:38.620 You know, no matter how many times we told them no, they would, you know, ask the questions and come back to that same question.
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00:11:08.300 is that part is you all work obviously with law enforcement and the the legal system every day
00:11:13.840 that's your job is arresting the fam is handcuffing the family members typically part of an arrest
00:11:19.660 no not for us not at all no no is that to tell that different kind happen in america like why
00:11:25.760 would you handcuff the family members i know right i have no idea at all because i mean again
00:11:31.640 And we're not used to this.
00:11:33.840 We're not on that side to have a clear understanding of everything that they do.
00:11:40.740 But I was calm because I wanted to make sure my grandsons stayed calm.
00:11:48.200 And then once they got us in the house, then they unhandcuffed us.
00:11:54.300 Do they apologize for handcuffing you?
00:11:56.420 No.
00:11:57.720 They handcuff a grandmother who's not been charged with anything. 0.99
00:12:01.340 Correct. 0.97
00:12:01.640 And they don't apologize?
00:12:02.660 No.
00:12:03.520 And the grandson.
00:12:08.720 Okay.
00:12:09.660 Then what happened?
00:12:11.880 So, I don't know how long they discussed.
00:12:17.100 And it just seemed like this army of people started coming through the door.
00:12:23.120 Of your home?
00:12:24.340 Yes.
00:12:24.740 They were like all over.
00:12:26.800 So my grandson and I, they had us in the living room because they set up in the dining room to use the table in the dining room to do their reporting or whatever they do.
00:12:38.160 And so there were two agents speaking to my grandson and I in the living room.
00:12:46.320 And I was like, you know, can we get him to school?
00:12:50.880 He needs to go to school because he wanted to play in his basketball game.
00:12:54.520 And I wanted to make sure, although this is a crazy life-turning ordeal, I wanted to try to keep it as normal as possible for him.
00:13:05.940 And so they were fine with that.
00:13:07.920 Good for you.
00:13:08.300 You know, they took him upstairs, let him get dressed, and then they took him to school.
00:13:15.540 Now, from my understanding, later on, they talked to him in the car.
00:13:20.020 I don't know how they questioned him or what they said, but they talked to him in the car, even though before we got out of the truck, I asked one of the SWAT members, don't talk to my grandson.
00:13:37.180 Don't ask him any questions.
00:13:38.440 If you have anything to say, you ask me.
00:13:42.500 So outside of that, I don't know what they discussed with him.
00:13:46.740 You know, and of course, teenagers are always vague.
00:13:51.900 You know, he just asked me, you know, did I know anything about this?
00:13:56.140 And did I know that anything that Brian did and a phone number?
00:14:00.520 That's about it.
00:14:01.580 But, you know, they made sure he got to school.
00:14:04.120 They followed him to make sure nobody was following him to school.
00:14:07.800 And that was it.
00:14:10.760 Yeah, and this phone number.
00:14:12.660 I mean, they asked every single one of us about this specific phone number for some reason.
00:14:17.720 Yeah.
00:14:18.160 You know, even over the phone.
00:14:20.460 And I'm not going to say my dealings with the agent that called me, very professional.
00:14:28.140 He was very polite on the phone.
00:14:29.300 They were.
00:14:29.480 Very professional.
00:14:30.640 Very polite.
00:14:31.900 You know, he asked me about a phone number.
00:14:33.400 Asked me to key the phone number in my phone.
00:14:35.160 And did it come up with anything?
00:14:36.920 You know, told him no.
00:14:38.840 But I don't know.
00:14:39.360 whatever this phone number they were all they were very interested in that one particular
00:14:45.220 phone number for some reason and you know they didn't tell us why they asked both of you about
00:14:50.720 this one specific all of us all of us all my kids said the same thing everybody and did anyone have
00:14:56.560 the phone number in his or her phone no no no huh do you have any idea what that was about no no
00:15:04.220 um so what happened to your son I mean when when did you find out exactly what the charges were
00:15:11.640 and where he was so we didn't find out exactly where he was or what the charges were until
00:15:21.260 um our attorney yeah well what happened first thing you know of course the first thing we wanted
00:15:27.640 to do is once I you know once we realized the magnitude of what was going on in the cat we
00:15:32.740 started comprehending, I notified my attorney. I dealt with John Shorman for many, many years.
00:15:40.000 So I got in contact with him and he, you know, I was asked, I was saying, hey, man,
00:15:45.140 have you heard, have you heard what's going on? And he was like, no, I'm in New York.
00:15:50.940 And I was like, okay, well, you know, my son that they just, they just arrested and said that he was
00:15:55.740 the alleged J-6 pipe bomber, and they arrested him. I need you. And then John said, okay,
00:16:05.880 I'm on my way. So he left New York because I wanted to have someone in court with Brian the
00:16:10.740 next morning for the arraignment. And the next morning, John came in and met with him and stood
00:16:21.480 as his counsel
00:16:22.200 for the arraignment
00:16:23.760 that next morning
00:16:24.640 and then
00:16:25.200 that's the only
00:16:27.040 time we got
00:16:28.020 to actually see him
00:16:29.080 since that
00:16:29.680 the day before
00:16:30.620 was that next morning
00:16:32.020 when he went
00:16:32.400 to the arraignment.
00:16:33.080 We weren't able
00:16:33.460 to speak to him,
00:16:34.340 wasn't able to talk
00:16:34.960 to him or anything.
00:16:37.960 Then after court
00:16:39.540 we found out
00:16:42.980 later that evening
00:16:43.740 that he was in
00:16:45.540 he was at
00:16:47.100 you know
00:16:47.520 where he was located at.
00:16:49.080 No.
00:16:49.200 I don't want to.
00:16:50.080 No.
00:16:50.720 We didn't find out.
00:16:52.640 We thought that he was still downtown.
00:16:56.440 We didn't find out until after the weekend because we didn't know where he was on Friday.
00:17:01.180 We didn't know where he was on Saturday.
00:17:05.120 And John kept reaching out to the U.S. attorney to find out where he was.
00:17:09.380 And he kept saying he didn't know that he was going to try to find out for us.
00:17:14.180 And we didn't find out until like Monday evening, I think it was.
00:17:19.200 And once we found out, I asked Brian a call and I asked one of our other agents, bonding agents, to verify if this is where he is.
00:17:31.420 And he did.
00:17:32.600 And Brian said, well, I know you want to hear it for yourself, but he's there.
00:17:37.600 And I did.
00:17:38.520 And that satisfied me.
00:17:40.440 And the next day, you know, we were trying to figure out how to see him because we hadn't seen him nor talked to him.
00:17:46.520 So, he basically, he gets up early.
00:17:49.300 Did he get up early a lot?
00:17:50.760 Yes.
00:17:51.220 Every morning.
00:17:52.460 Every morning, he gets up early.
00:17:54.060 Why did he get up early?
00:17:55.100 So, it started because he had a dog.
00:17:57.580 He had a little chihuahua.
00:17:58.860 So, he got up every morning to walk his dog, and then he'll walk to 7-Eleven, and then he'll walk his dog again, and he'll go to work.
00:18:07.220 What did he do at 7-Eleven?
00:18:09.620 Brian just likes to walk.
00:18:11.900 So, that gave him a destination to walk to.
00:18:14.200 So he would go, he would get his soda or water, or bottle of water.
00:18:18.180 He likes their pizza and their chiquitos.
00:18:20.600 Yeah, who doesn't?
00:18:21.700 I know, you know.
00:18:22.940 I'm with you, baby.
00:18:23.860 Snacks and back home, you know.
00:18:27.080 So he was taking his morning walk to 7-Eleven with his little dog to get his water and pizza.
00:18:33.500 Well, by now, by that time, we had to put the dog to sleep.
00:18:36.980 Okay.
00:18:37.380 Yeah, about a month earlier.
00:18:38.800 Oh, gosh.
00:18:39.460 Yeah.
00:18:39.680 But that was his routine for years, every day, get up in the morning, walk the dog, go up to the 7-Eleven, get his pizza or whatever he was going to get his drink, come back home, every day.
00:18:52.480 That was his routine every day.
00:18:55.160 And then he went to work and he worked at your family business?
00:18:57.900 Yes.
00:18:58.700 For how long?
00:18:59.780 Oh, man.
00:19:01.160 Since he was about 15?
00:19:02.780 Yeah, he was a teenager.
00:19:03.260 Yeah, since he was about 15, he would, you know, work after school sometimes, you know, when he was younger.
00:19:08.560 Especially the summer.
00:19:09.680 In the summer times, they all worked there during the summer until he was an adult.
00:19:16.640 And now he's 31.
00:19:17.900 Yep.
00:19:18.700 And he's worked for the family business the whole time.
00:19:20.100 The whole entire time.
00:19:21.600 And went to work every day, five days a week, the whole entire time.
00:19:26.860 He's the only kid that didn't take vacation or sick time.
00:19:31.460 It's making me emotional.
00:19:33.700 Why frame this kid?
00:19:35.500 You know, it's crazy.
00:19:37.100 Well, it's, the more you know, we've been, we just have been talking all morning, so I know a lot that I hope will come out, but it's like, it's one of the most shocking stories.
00:19:47.820 I've certainly in all these years met a lot of people who claimed that they had a relative who was framed for a crime or whatever.
00:19:53.780 I've never believed it more fervently than I do in this case because it's just.
00:19:57.280 Because it's true, you know.
00:19:58.840 It clearly is true.
00:19:59.580 So tell us about, let me just say, this is a man with no criminal record at all.
00:20:05.820 At all.
00:20:06.400 No disciplinary record in school.
00:20:08.040 At all.
00:20:09.100 No social media.
00:20:10.600 No.
00:20:11.040 At all.
00:20:12.280 And so they're telling us that this guy, who's zero record of any run-ins with the law or school authorities and no history of like posting extremism or whatever, set bombs in front of the two political party headquarters for reasons or whatever.
00:20:27.680 The whole thing is crazy.
00:20:28.460 But tell us who he was.
00:20:29.700 What's he like?
00:20:30.260 How would you describe your son and namesake?
00:20:34.120 Really, really good kid.
00:20:35.620 Good guy.
00:20:36.360 I can't call him a kid because he's a man now.
00:20:38.600 Really good guy.
00:20:40.000 Never caused any trouble.
00:20:42.560 Very, very well respected.
00:20:45.980 Respect every, he respect everyone.
00:20:51.760 Always helpful.
00:20:52.960 you know
00:20:54.720 just
00:20:56.580 generally a really
00:20:58.780 good guy
00:20:59.680 never caused us an issue
00:21:02.620 I mean his whole life never
00:21:04.780 caused us an issue at all
00:21:06.240 you know
00:21:07.800 you have kids
00:21:09.400 my other kids caused me some problems
00:21:11.700 but the one
00:21:14.260 the one that didn't cause us anything
00:21:16.840 is going through all of this
00:21:18.820 and we don't understand
00:21:20.580 but he's a really good kid
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00:23:50.760 if he's waking up at six to walk his little dog to 7-eleven every single morning then go to work
00:23:56.240 at the family business you know it kind of says a lot so you have described him as having autism
00:24:02.840 yes so for me you know we had brian young you know i was 20 um and he was always quiet you know
00:24:14.180 he never had any issues you know how children want to be entertained well brian never really
00:24:18.960 wanted to be entertained as long as he ate and his diaper was clean there was no problems with
00:24:25.160 brian i you know my cousin um girlfriend used to babysit him and she was like i'll babysit him
00:24:32.180 anytime you want because he really truly was no problem he had no problem with entertaining
00:24:37.960 himself. But again, I was young, didn't really pay attention to that. I just thought he was a good
00:24:45.660 kid. And I got a job at a pediatrician's office in Fairfax. And as he grew, a lot of things that
00:24:56.360 I saw a lot of parents bring their kids in with autisms and tics and stuff like that,
00:25:02.000 I realized that a lot of those tendencies he had, and I wasn't sure, but when he became at an age where he can make more decisions of his own and doesn't have to do everything we say or everything we want, he never did.
00:25:26.980 And then the headphones really kind of showed me, and then his speech and stuff like that, and always compliant, always compliant.
00:25:41.140 And there were other, you know, little things, and so—
00:25:46.920 But a sweet-tempered kid?
00:25:48.220 Always.
00:25:48.520 Oh, and people got to understand, where we come from, where we grew up at in the Washington, D.C. area, southeast side of Washington, D.C., you know, and we were young when we had our kids.
00:26:03.600 We didn't, autism wasn't this big focal thing, focused like it is today.
00:26:10.260 You know, we didn't know about autism.
00:26:11.420 Oh, I'm the same generation.
00:26:12.660 I know.
00:26:13.560 Never heard of it.
00:26:14.440 We never even heard of autism. So to see a kid like that, we thought it was normal because we were with him every day.
00:26:26.020 Of course.
00:26:27.260 We weren't educated on autism. We knew nothing about autism at the time.
00:26:31.920 Now, hindsight, looking back now from what we know and what we've learned now about autism, the signs were definitely there.
00:26:40.220 But during that, during the 90s and the early 2000s, you know, autism wasn't in the forefront of anything.
00:26:49.100 You know, a lot of people didn't know too much about autism, especially in our communities.
00:26:53.000 Of course.
00:26:53.580 You know, and, you know, I just wanted to say that because you have a lot of people go, well, they should have known something.
00:27:03.200 We didn't know.
00:27:04.240 You know, we weren't educated on that during that era.
00:27:07.900 The reason I wanted you to explain that part of Brian's personality and life
00:27:13.060 is because it may be relevant to this case.
00:27:15.620 And I'm not going to ask you to comment on this
00:27:17.160 because I think probably you can't because there's a trial.
00:27:20.440 Yes.
00:27:21.140 But the government has said that he confessed to this crime.
00:27:25.280 And it is widely known, universally known,
00:27:28.940 and there have been studies that show it, that prove it,
00:27:31.320 that people with autism are much more likely to falsely confess
00:27:35.600 to crimes they did not commit 0.99
00:27:37.120 because autistic people sometimes 0.99
00:27:40.840 have a great deal of emotional intensity. 1.00
00:27:42.740 They are pleasers.
00:27:43.760 They just want it to stop.
00:27:45.580 They will admit,
00:27:46.520 and studies have shown this,
00:27:47.640 to anything if you push them hard enough.
00:27:50.760 And so the fact that I'm reading in the paper
00:27:53.380 that an autistic man confessed to a crime 0.71
00:27:56.480 means a lot less than if you confessed to a crime 0.97
00:27:59.980 or I confessed to a crime.
00:28:00.860 It's like, this is a well-known thing.
00:28:03.600 I'm not asking you to comment on this
00:28:04.960 because I don't think you probably should,
00:28:06.760 but I just want our viewers to understand that.
00:28:09.360 Anyone familiar with this stuff?
00:28:10.360 It's like, oh, they picked up an autistic kid
00:28:11.740 and he confessed, confessed. 0.97
00:28:13.240 Right.
00:28:14.640 So was he political?
00:28:17.860 Not to my knowledge.
00:28:18.680 Not to my knowledge,
00:28:19.560 not to anything that we've seen.
00:28:21.960 No, there was no, no.
00:28:25.000 And I played this back in my head.
00:28:29.520 I mean, no, he never taught politics.
00:28:33.620 See, none of that.
00:28:35.240 We don't understand.
00:28:37.180 You know, how do they-
00:28:38.320 He lives at home and you work with him every day.
00:28:40.160 So if he were absorbed in some political drama,
00:28:45.340 you probably would have heard about it.
00:28:46.680 We would have known.
00:28:47.440 Right, you know, and don't get me wrong.
00:28:49.320 You know, we talked about current events.
00:28:51.360 You know, when we did have conversations about whatever,
00:28:54.660 you know, but he, you know,
00:28:56.500 wouldn't force away one way or another
00:29:00.180 in terms of political stances.
00:29:03.620 You know, we're more so what's right, what's wrong.
00:29:06.980 Yes.
00:29:08.100 You know, so I just don't understand, you know, where all of this is coming from.
00:29:17.400 Why are they, you know, how?
00:29:23.160 So the government alleges, I don't know, I hope to ask you this question.
00:29:27.180 I hope to understand what exactly the reasoning is behind his arrest and continued incarceration.
00:29:34.540 So the government said immediately, like within a day, that the pipe bombs were planted in front of the RNC and the DNC on Capitol Hill.
00:29:41.820 They didn't go off and it turns out they weren't actually real bombs.
00:29:44.740 We now know they were inert, but that they were planted as a diversion to get law enforcement to go up to Capitol Hill as the Capitol was being stormed by what they described as insurrectionists.
00:29:56.280 So the Capitol Hill pipe bombings,
00:29:58.100 the government told us this many, many times,
00:30:00.380 were directly connected
00:30:02.080 to what happened at the Capitol that day.
00:30:05.940 Okay.
00:30:06.380 Correct?
00:30:06.740 Yes, yes.
00:30:08.320 So a couple of questions for you.
00:30:09.820 Was your son at the January 6th?
00:30:12.800 No.
00:30:13.480 Event?
00:30:14.060 No.
00:30:14.360 Is the government alleging he was there?
00:30:16.220 No, not to my knowledge.
00:30:18.320 Did he have any contact that you know of?
00:30:20.960 And is the government alleging
00:30:22.260 that he had contact with any of the perpetrators
00:30:24.480 of January 6th?
00:30:25.840 Not to my knowledge.
00:30:27.100 Okay.
00:30:27.940 He had not posted on social media support.
00:30:31.140 No, he don't even have a social media account.
00:30:34.020 No.
00:30:35.040 Are you aware of any connection at all
00:30:37.560 between your son and what happened
00:30:39.800 at the Capitol building on January 6th?
00:30:42.620 No.
00:30:42.900 No.
00:30:43.700 Has the government shown you any connection
00:30:45.860 between your son and what happened that day?
00:30:49.200 No, I haven't seen anything.
00:30:50.880 No. 0.95
00:30:51.100 so when they told you your son was the capitol hill the j6 pipe bomber did part of your brain
00:30:58.960 say oh yeah i remember him ranting in the kitchen or cleaning his firearms at the kitchen table
00:31:03.580 talking about storming the capitol no the only way i you know so i mean that was five years ago
00:31:10.820 i i put that out of my mind i didn't follow it so i don't know you know all i saw was the images
00:31:18.080 that the media provided of them storming the Capitol,
00:31:21.240 you know, and that was it for me.
00:31:24.500 Right.
00:31:24.920 I didn't follow it or anything.
00:31:27.660 So I didn't realize what they were talking about
00:31:32.600 until they showed me a still image.
00:31:35.060 I'm like, oh, I remember seeing that video.
00:31:37.420 When the FBI?
00:31:38.740 Yes.
00:31:40.040 What was in the image?
00:31:42.180 It was just the gray hooded person.
00:31:44.600 The gray hooded person who security cameras on Capitol Hill.
00:31:47.900 Right.
00:31:48.080 uh picked up planting the bombs right in front of the buildings that's it and there then they
00:31:55.300 showed you these images to tell you that this was your son brian yes they asked me does does
00:31:59.780 that look like brian does that look like um his sweat hood i'm like i got a gray sweater who
00:32:08.480 doesn't have a gray no that i can't say that that's his sweat hood or or not like that's crazy
00:32:15.840 what i can't answer that question you know it just it was they were just trying to find something
00:32:25.860 to tie him did they find any bomb making materials in your home i don't know what they found um for
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00:32:47.240 the attorney I really didn't look because I'm like where is he my children are worried about me
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00:35:00.500 But I'm just, I guess I'm just confused
00:35:02.760 as to the core of any crime is motive.
00:35:06.240 Right.
00:35:06.560 Why did someone do this?
00:35:07.880 Right.
00:35:08.660 And the government, I think,
00:35:10.600 is under the obligation to provide
00:35:12.140 a coherent motive to explain
00:35:13.820 why we arrested this person
00:35:15.100 and are still holding him in jail.
00:35:16.460 I haven't heard one.
00:35:17.400 What, you haven't?
00:35:18.860 No.
00:35:19.040 I haven't heard no motives at all.
00:35:20.980 None.
00:35:22.080 Can you think of a motive?
00:35:23.420 No.
00:35:23.760 No.
00:35:25.120 Not at all.
00:35:26.820 Do you think that if your son, since he does live at home and works at the family business and is autistic and gets up at 6 a.m. to walk his dog to 7-Eleven, do you think if he was planning a bombing that you might have noticed?
00:35:39.760 I would think so. 0.81
00:35:41.820 Yeah.
00:35:42.780 Like, his room was right down the hall from my room.
00:35:46.820 And, of course, I'm a nosy mom. And because I know, you know, I like to go in there and mess with Brian because, you know, he he he doesn't talk a lot.
00:36:00.160 Yes. And I like to just go and mess with him and try to force him to talk. And yeah. And then he'll leave out his room. So I would leave out his room. But, you know, I know the tactics. So I wait till he comes back. And, you know, he's surprised. I'm like, you're still here.
00:36:16.400 Yeah, because I knew you were trying to shut me up, you know, so it's not, you know, it's not like something he can hide, you know, so I don't know where all this is coming from.
00:36:32.220 I really don't.
00:36:32.740 But you don't understand what the government is thinking.
00:36:37.580 So, like, the Capitol Hill pipe bombs were connected to the January 6th demonstration slash riot, what they call an insurrection.
00:36:47.360 We can just say that because the government has told us that for five years.
00:36:51.340 So, you don't see, honestly, any connection at all between your son and the January 6th protests.
00:36:57.700 No.
00:36:58.220 No.
00:36:58.420 the government must be drawing some connection and i would like to know and again we probably
00:37:07.540 won't really know until trial when is trial february 16th 27 my baby would have been arrested
00:37:16.160 for in jail for a year a year and two months that's it why um okay so this gets to a question
00:37:23.580 that you can answer since you're literally in the bail bonds business and ironically your son
00:37:28.080 is being held without bond.
00:37:29.700 Yes.
00:37:30.260 But here's someone
00:37:31.260 who has no criminal record
00:37:34.120 of any kind,
00:37:35.100 no record of misbehavior
00:37:36.840 of any kind,
00:37:37.900 but he's being held
00:37:38.620 without bond
00:37:39.460 when he has a family
00:37:42.780 and a family home
00:37:43.860 and a family business
00:37:44.580 and like he can go back
00:37:45.660 and be with people,
00:37:46.480 but he's being held
00:37:47.040 without bond because why?
00:37:50.740 They said that
00:37:53.600 their only excuse was,
00:37:55.400 and it's really crazy
00:37:56.560 because they agree he's not a risk.
00:38:00.180 He's not a risk to...
00:38:02.340 A flight risk.
00:38:03.100 Well, he's not a risk to the people.
00:38:05.480 He's not a risk of fleeing anywhere
00:38:08.040 and that he's never been arrested.
00:38:13.760 But because of the alleged charges
00:38:16.060 that they brought against him,
00:38:19.300 he shouldn't be left out, released.
00:38:23.260 Now, mind you,
00:38:24.040 So, you know, we agreed and my mother-in-law said, well, he can come to my house since they failed because they claim that, you know, things were done in my house.
00:38:36.420 Well, he can come stay in my house.
00:38:38.020 I live in a gated community.
00:38:40.080 We can do ankle monitor.
00:38:41.580 We can do house arrest if you want.
00:38:45.080 You can come by and visit whenever you choose.
00:38:48.020 He can do weekly check-ins.
00:38:49.280 Nothing.
00:38:51.180 Only because of the charges that they allege.
00:38:54.040 How long have you been in the bail bonds business?
00:38:57.040 31 years.
00:38:58.900 So again, I can't overstate how much perspective you have in this.
00:39:02.260 How weird is this?
00:39:03.220 Let me say this.
00:39:04.980 If this was a case in another state, any other case, even similar to this, but in another state, another area, he would have been out of jail by now.
00:39:22.340 He'd have been fighting this from home.
00:39:24.040 I don't know if it had anything to do with
00:39:31.880 if it had anything to do with his race
00:39:35.800 I don't know
00:39:36.560 I don't want to put that out there
00:39:38.460 because just very recently
00:39:42.980 right after
00:39:44.720 actually right after his case
00:39:46.420 a county over
00:39:48.320 Loudoun County in Virginia
00:39:50.060 similar situation happened with
00:39:52.700 some white kids and they're they're they're home similar situation you know um
00:40:03.780 i don't know why here i don't well if you think about it big picture um
00:40:12.180 they didn't make any arrests in this case or any progress in this case that we know of for five
00:40:17.980 years until a media outlet produced a story, which I am not endorsing because I don't have
00:40:23.820 the information to endorse it, but in which they named a suspect on the basis of a gate
00:40:29.840 analysis program they ran against the CCTV footage. And on the basis of that, they named
00:40:37.000 a woman called Shani Kirkov, I think her name is, who was a former Capitol Police officer who now
00:40:42.440 is in a security detail at the Central Intelligence Agency, amazingly. And they claimed that she
00:40:47.880 failed a polygraph test when I asked if she was 0.99
00:40:50.100 the pipe bomber. And we should mention 0.97
00:40:52.020 that Shawnee Kirkhoff has denied
00:40:53.860 being the bomber or having any involvement
00:40:55.780 in the case.
00:40:57.120 And, you know,
00:40:59.420 it was almost immediately
00:41:02.000 after that that your son was arrested.
00:41:03.700 After five years of no progress
00:41:05.780 on the case.
00:41:07.120 Like two weeks later? Is that true? Two weeks later?
00:41:09.440 Five to two weeks. Five to seven.
00:41:11.580 I think it was told on
00:41:13.780 October 16.
00:41:15.780 It was about five weeks later.
00:41:17.140 And November 8th.
00:41:17.760 About a month later.
00:41:19.660 So I have so many questions about this.
00:41:21.460 The most obvious question is,
00:41:23.520 how did someone who's publicly named,
00:41:25.360 falsely or not, okay, I don't know,
00:41:28.740 but publicly named as the pipe bomber,
00:41:31.640 how does that person retain a security clearance
00:41:33.860 and then wind up with increased authority
00:41:36.200 and a security detail at CIA headquarters at Langley?
00:41:39.060 Like, what in the world are we watching here?
00:41:41.060 Right.
00:41:41.980 Does that, I mean, you guys are-
00:41:43.120 Makes no sense to me.
00:41:43.700 Makes no sense.
00:41:44.220 Spend your lives adjacent to law enforcement.
00:41:46.180 Does that make sense?
00:41:46.860 Makes no sense.
00:41:48.520 I've seen people lose a security clearance over DUI or DWI.
00:41:51.980 Exactly.
00:41:52.740 So, you know, I don't understand that one myself, you know.
00:41:56.100 But the arrest of your son, who has no publicly described connection whatsoever to J6, gets arrested immediately after this person, this other person, is named in the media.
00:42:11.600 Yeah.
00:42:12.920 So this is why I wanted to talk to you
00:42:15.920 because it does seem like you're looking at
00:42:18.460 a kind of made-for-TV movie type conspiracy.
00:42:23.260 What's the other explanation for this?
00:42:25.360 That's the only place I thought stuff like this happened.
00:42:28.220 That's what I thought.
00:42:30.100 That's the only place.
00:42:31.520 I cannot, I mean, I truly cannot,
00:42:34.420 I've never thought that anything like this happens here.
00:42:39.160 That the federal government would knowingly put an innocent man in jail
00:42:43.860 and then hold him there without bond when they know he didn't do it?
00:42:46.720 Yes.
00:42:47.460 We have not spoken to our son directly since, for me, the night of December 3rd.
00:42:56.580 I mean, we talk over the phone.
00:42:58.820 But how much of a conversation can you have over a jail phone?
00:43:05.100 You know what I mean?
00:43:06.640 He does give us video visits.
00:43:08.720 what can you say over a jail video visit especially with someone who's not as you said
00:43:14.260 much of a talker anyway it's like total isolation yes yeah um what's interesting to me is that there
00:43:24.160 is a blanket pardon in place issued by the president and it's in place for everyone
00:43:30.120 associated with the january 6th events everyone who was indicted yes january 6th and convicted
00:43:38.520 in some cases, they're all pardoned and the sentence is commuted. So your son is now in jail
00:43:45.020 on January 6th related charges, I think. Yes. Why doesn't that apply to him? I can't, we can't
00:43:52.100 answer that. That's something that the lawyers need to come back and answer. I can't answer that.
00:43:58.500 I have no idea. I don't know the answer either, but it's very strange. The other thing that is
00:44:04.040 strange to me is that I think, tell me if I'm wrong, but that your son is charged with a weapons
00:44:09.480 of mass destruction charge. I know, right? Crazy. Yes. But it has been publicly confirmed that the
00:44:17.500 bombs were inert. Yes. They weren't actually bombs. They couldn't explode. That's my understanding.
00:44:22.180 That's my understanding. So how could you be charged with weapons of mass destruction offense
00:44:26.840 for assuming he had anything to do with this, but let's say he did. They literally weren't
00:44:31.880 weapons of mass destruction right that's another question that you would have to ask our legal
00:44:37.380 his legal team because i you know that's i know i can't answer it we can't answer that these are
00:44:43.040 things that we we just can't answer because we that we don't know you know how can they you know
00:44:48.260 it don't make sense you know how how can you charge them with that you know well by their
00:44:55.440 own description it doesn't make sense they're the ones who told us the bombs weren't real exactly
00:44:59.580 you know and i went and looked at the image of what they said
00:45:04.900 and i'm like they gotta be joking why why did you think that those images was what was those
00:45:13.600 things gonna do those when you saw have you seen uh images online video footage of the bomb no
00:45:21.080 they have still pictures online of the of the actual device yeah right of the device i think
00:45:26.700 it was the device
00:45:27.640 they said under a bush
00:45:30.220 or by a bush.
00:45:32.420 So they have images of those online.
00:45:35.260 And so, you know, again,
00:45:36.620 I don't know anything
00:45:38.960 of this.
00:45:41.540 So
00:45:42.060 I'm just floored.
00:45:45.040 I don't understand where they come
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00:48:40.300 Have you seen video of the pipe bomber?
00:48:49.520 Because there is video out there
00:48:51.060 of the person in the gray hoodie online.
00:48:53.280 Yes.
00:48:55.120 I think most parents know
00:48:57.640 what their children move like.
00:48:59.760 This is not scientific, but it's real
00:49:01.660 and any parent can tell you.
00:49:02.680 If you see there's a crowd of people,
00:49:04.740 you can tell which one's your kid
00:49:06.180 just by the way he moves.
00:49:07.620 Does that look like your son?
00:49:09.160 Not at all.
00:49:10.300 Not at all.
00:49:12.680 At all.
00:49:16.160 In the time since his arrest in December,
00:49:20.240 has anyone in your family or his friends come to you and said,
00:49:23.760 actually, you didn't know Brian had a secret life you didn't know about?
00:49:26.900 No.
00:49:27.220 No.
00:49:29.060 No.
00:49:29.780 No.
00:49:31.840 Has anyone in the federal government indicated to you,
00:49:38.300 and you don't need to use names,
00:49:40.300 that this case is fake, that this is a miscarriage of justice, a travesty.
00:49:45.780 I've kind of separated myself and let his legal team handle everything.
00:49:51.840 So I don't talk to anybody.
00:49:54.600 I don't, you know, I refer everybody over to our legal team.
00:50:00.180 But I'm going to say no.
00:50:02.980 No one has ever approached or accessed.
00:50:05.140 You just have to wonder about the FBI agents or federal marshals,
00:50:07.800 whoever they were, the people pointing rifles.
00:50:09.800 at you and handcuffing you
00:50:13.280 and handcuffing your grandson,
00:50:15.980 like, do they think that they're
00:50:17.520 actually fighting for justice here?
00:50:19.460 Do they really think that your son
00:50:20.800 was the J6 pipe bomber?
00:50:23.580 Who knows?
00:50:24.780 I have no idea, but I tell you this,
00:50:27.720 and this is something that was raised in court.
00:50:34.600 For him to be such a dangerous person,
00:50:37.500 and I say this all the time
00:50:41.300 when they so-called
00:50:44.840 I guess
00:50:45.360 raided the house
00:50:46.360 why did they leave
00:50:48.140 his firearm there?
00:50:51.540 If he was such
00:50:52.840 a dangerous person
00:50:53.800 why did they
00:50:55.040 leave his firearm
00:50:56.600 sitting there?
00:50:57.940 Yeah
00:50:58.180 they left it on his nightstand.
00:50:59.940 If you were thinking
00:51:00.880 he was just dangerous
00:51:01.940 just you know
00:51:03.560 whatever kind of person
00:51:07.380 and they trying to allege that he is,
00:51:12.160 why not take that?
00:51:15.960 Do that make sense?
00:51:17.540 Well, because they know he's not a dangerous person.
00:51:19.420 Yeah.
00:51:19.840 And then again, you know,
00:51:21.420 if he's this dangerous person,
00:51:23.920 why follow him all this time?
00:51:27.040 Why, when you come to my house,
00:51:29.320 you don't evacuate at least my cul-de-sac?
00:51:33.280 If all of what you're saying is in my house,
00:51:36.220 I'm upset because if that was truly the case, why you guys let us live in a house that you feel is unsafe like that?
00:51:43.500 That someone is dangerous like that.
00:51:45.340 Yeah.
00:51:45.800 And that is filled with bombing equipment and high explosives.
00:51:48.900 I don't know.
00:51:49.620 We don't know anything about that.
00:51:50.600 You know, that's like crazy.
00:51:51.780 I just, my biggest thing is, why did they wait so long if they knew?
00:51:57.820 Right.
00:51:58.700 If they supposedly knew what was going on and knew he was this person, one, why leave a dangerous weapon sitting in there?
00:52:05.540 why not, once again, like she said,
00:52:08.200 why not have evacuated the neighbors
00:52:10.460 and evacuated the cul-de-sac?
00:52:13.000 Well, here's, again, what we know,
00:52:14.580 what we know is that a former Capitol Hill police officer
00:52:17.920 who was employed at Capitol Police on January 6th
00:52:22.400 wound up working at CIA headquarters in Langley.
00:52:25.540 And that person was named publicly in a media report
00:52:28.840 as the Capitol Hill pipe bomber.
00:52:31.120 And almost immediately after that person was named,
00:52:34.080 they arrested your son.
00:52:35.380 Yes.
00:52:35.800 And again, to be clear,
00:52:36.640 Shawnee Kirkhoff denies being the J-6 bomber
00:52:39.080 or having any involvement in the case.
00:52:41.200 What were they doing for five years?
00:52:42.580 Have they told you when they figured out
00:52:44.480 that your son was the pipe bomber?
00:52:46.400 No, not at all.
00:52:48.620 How long do you think they were surveilling him?
00:52:52.840 They've had pictures of him at the office.
00:52:55.740 Yeah, the office.
00:52:56.740 They've had pictures of him at the office.
00:52:58.120 I mean, I've seen a picture of him at the office.
00:52:59.720 Your family office.
00:53:00.660 Yes.
00:53:01.140 I've seen a picture of him walking
00:53:02.700 and this other one of the stores
00:53:07.900 because we had a clogged drain.
00:53:12.800 So I knew that that was the most recent picture
00:53:15.300 because I sent them to the store.
00:53:17.740 Well, you sent them to the hardware store
00:53:18.820 to get somebody to fix the drain.
00:53:19.700 Yeah, yeah.
00:53:21.120 But that was about it.
00:53:22.760 And how long before his arrest was that?
00:53:26.060 I would say maybe two weeks or so.
00:53:28.260 Yeah.
00:53:28.680 So they had been following him.
00:53:30.880 But as far as you know,
00:53:32.400 their surveillance of your son
00:53:34.120 began after Shawnee
00:53:36.160 Kirchhoff was named. Yes. The CIA
00:53:38.260 person. Yes, from our understanding, yes.
00:53:40.620 Okay, so, again,
00:53:42.340 I'm not alleging this,
00:53:43.980 I'm just noting
00:53:45.560 that it looks like they didn't really
00:53:48.360 focus on your son until media
00:53:50.420 reports named a CIA employee
00:53:52.380 as the pipe bomber.
00:53:54.620 And then, you know, not to be cynical,
00:53:56.360 but it looks like they're like, holy smokes,
00:53:58.140 we've got to find someone to blame
00:54:00.160 for this pipe bomb. Yes.
00:54:01.920 Because the person who's been publicly named
00:54:03.960 still has a security clearance
00:54:04.980 and reportedly is on the director
00:54:08.180 of central intelligence's personal security detail.
00:54:10.820 And I didn't know that.
00:54:12.280 I didn't know that.
00:54:13.220 I don't know that.
00:54:15.660 You know, can't verify that, but.
00:54:19.660 That's what it appears to be.
00:54:21.060 Yes, that's what it appears.
00:54:22.620 So it doesn't look good at all.
00:54:27.860 So who do you appeal to?
00:54:30.420 like other than your attorneys like are there any political figures who've called you and said
00:54:35.500 what is this no none none not to be mean but like what about the civil rights establishment like
00:54:40.880 where where are they like where's Sharpton I have no I am being mean okay I'll stop um but
00:54:47.380 but has anyone defended you I guess that's all I'm saying or defended your son your family no
00:54:52.200 only you know steve baker you know um our attorneys of course you know our family you know
00:55:03.140 um but as far as you know everyone as a whole you know they're they're i'm i'm reading and
00:55:11.760 i'm seeing people say things um but no you live in virginia there's a governor there are two
00:55:20.560 senators or a whole bunch of congressmen yes no calls from any of them none none um i can't imagine
00:55:28.120 what this is costing you both just sighed yeah i mean you know not only financially but you know
00:55:37.040 this is a this is heavy this is weighing on our whole family our extended family because
00:55:44.100 we all protect Brian you can ask anyone who has come in contact with Brian family friends
00:55:52.620 neighbors you know just in passing that no they most definitely have the wrong guy
00:56:00.740 you know and because he is autistic and we know you know how he is we're suffering 0.66
00:56:12.040 because he's suffering
00:56:14.140 and he's trying to protect us
00:56:16.480 by saying he's okay. 0.52
00:56:24.860 It's mentally draining,
00:56:28.660 physically draining.
00:56:32.540 It's hard.
00:56:33.680 It's hard.
00:56:34.320 Not only the financial side of it,
00:56:36.400 but worrying about him every day,
00:56:40.720 worrying about him every night,
00:56:42.040 You know, and he does a good job.
00:56:45.360 He does, he do give us a call every day.
00:56:47.340 He does.
00:56:47.780 He calls us every night, every single one of us, because that's his pattern.
00:56:54.020 Yes.
00:56:54.700 Twice a day, we hear from him twice a day, every single one of us.
00:56:59.100 And, I mean, he, you know, he's okay.
00:57:04.120 And like I said, I take my, I give credit where credit is due.
00:57:12.040 And if I ask Brian, is everything okay?
00:57:15.880 Are you okay?
00:57:17.120 He's going to give me an honest answer.
00:57:19.780 And he's okay.
00:57:21.300 You know, he's in a really good place, safe place.
00:57:27.300 And they're taking good care of him.
00:57:29.520 And I got to say that because I don't want anyone to think he's being mistreated or anything like that.
00:57:35.060 No, I don't think he's being mistreated.
00:57:36.740 They at least did that correctly.
00:57:40.140 But he's in jail.
00:57:40.880 Yeah, he's in jail.
00:57:42.040 He's in jail.
00:57:42.720 So you've been in this business for 31 years.
00:57:44.660 Have you ever met anyone who enjoyed jail?
00:57:46.260 No one enjoys jail.
00:57:48.020 No one enjoys jail.
00:57:48.820 But I do know that things could have been a lot worse.
00:57:52.580 You know what I'm saying?
00:57:53.440 And I don't want to downplay and say that he's being treated this way.
00:58:01.980 They doing this.
00:58:03.000 I'm not going to say that.
00:58:04.120 I'm just going to say Brian is okay.
00:58:07.380 He's okay.
00:58:08.760 He's not being mistreated.
00:58:12.040 Well, you have a very forgiving and optimistic perspective,
00:58:14.740 but I think for most people,
00:58:16.400 the idea of having your son snatched off the street
00:58:19.880 and his mother and her grandson handcuffed
00:58:25.700 and then locked away for a year
00:58:28.780 on ridiculous untrue charges
00:58:31.340 and slandered in public 0.89
00:58:32.780 on the basis of no evidence at all.
00:58:34.600 The whole thing just sounds like out of a movie
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01:00:00.900 well I hope this helps
01:00:02.320 and I think anyone watching this
01:00:04.500 I don't think I'm easily fooled
01:00:07.260 maybe I am
01:00:08.120 I don't think so, and I've certainly talked to a lot of people in a similar position, and I believe your story completely, and I hope that this gets wide attention, and I hope massive pressure is applied to the authorities to stop this immediately.
01:00:21.920 We want to say this as a family.
01:00:23.940 We want to thank you, and thank you for allowing us to come on your platform and talk about this, and just want to say thank you.
01:00:35.980 Well, thank you. It's actually not me. I'm paying half attention like the rest of us to most of the news, just like you were when you were watching television. Oh, they got the bomber or whatever. It's like I wasn't paying attention. I got a call from, as I said at the outset, someone I know in the federal government who's highly informed and very experienced and skeptical of everything.
01:00:54.580 who was like,
01:00:55.620 this is the craziest thing
01:00:56.480 I've ever seen.
01:00:57.600 They grabbed this random autistic guy
01:00:59.260 and put him in jail. 1.00
01:01:00.540 Like right after Steve Baker
01:01:02.380 named this federal employee
01:01:04.320 as the pipe bomber.
01:01:05.720 This is shocking
01:01:08.060 that this could happen.
01:01:09.000 And this is a federal employee
01:01:10.040 who told me this
01:01:10.740 in a relevant agency.
01:01:12.540 So I was highly motivated
01:01:15.420 to meet you after that.
01:01:16.780 I'm grateful for him.
01:01:18.720 Oh, so are we.
01:01:19.840 Because this is horrible.
01:01:23.400 This is a travesty.
01:01:24.580 And I'm so angry. I am angry. I am disappointed. But I have to keep focus on my son.
01:01:41.680 And, you know, for me as the mom, as his mom and for his dad, it's too different.
01:01:54.680 So, you know, as he just said, he will open up to his dad, but he won't open up to me that sense because he know how I feel.
01:02:02.260 He know I'm going to worry, you know, and to know that he's been snatched away from me the way that he has.
01:02:09.520 And I can't talk to him openly and hug him, even though he doesn't like hugs, but he know I'm going to do it, you know, and just being autistic when you're in a in an environment where it's so much stuff around, you know, you're you're it's chaotic inside.
01:02:39.380 it's overload right and so to be put in a place this chaotic so you're dealing with chaos inside
01:02:46.900 and outside and it's out of your control you know and i can only emphasize what he's going through
01:02:54.760 and there's nothing we can do to help nothing nothing and that's that's the downside and we
01:03:00.300 know that he doesn't belong there and they know that he doesn't belong there and they're prolonging
01:03:07.180 and it shouldn't be.
01:03:09.420 And I feel helpless at the moment.
01:03:12.780 And that's why I appreciate our attorneys.
01:03:15.060 I appreciate Steve Baker.
01:03:16.520 I appreciate those that are out there speaking out
01:03:19.160 and trying to share the story
01:03:21.200 because I truly think that somewhere,
01:03:26.680 somehow someone is trying to suppress this.
01:03:30.560 And we appreciate you too for allowing us to come.
01:03:33.060 Well, I think someone is trying to suppress this.
01:03:35.200 I really do.
01:03:35.740 And destroying a young man to do it is unforgivable.
01:03:39.100 And especially someone like Brian.
01:03:40.920 This can happen to anybody,
01:03:42.480 not let alone a person with autism.
01:03:44.660 Anyone, anyone.
01:03:47.660 You know, I just, I am grateful to God
01:03:51.300 that we have the ability to fight for our son.
01:03:54.860 Yes, that's exactly right.
01:03:55.840 Because just imagine if we didn't.
01:03:57.560 I was thinking that this morning.
01:03:59.240 Only off a word of what the government has said,
01:04:02.520 everyone has believed.
01:04:03.520 Nobody's looking into nothing.
01:04:05.740 Nobody is saying anything.
01:04:08.280 And that's one of the things, you know, coming on your platform.
01:04:13.740 We just want people to go and just do their own research.
01:04:17.120 Let them go read.
01:04:18.500 Just, it's all there.
01:04:21.320 Look at, look at what the government is presenting.
01:04:27.900 It's all right there.
01:04:29.000 You're going to see the, let them make their opinion on the case.
01:04:36.460 That's all I'm asking.
01:04:37.200 I have looked at it.
01:04:38.060 It's a joke. 0.99
01:04:38.760 And they're liars. 0.89
01:04:39.980 And to do this to an innocent man is totally unforgivable and should not be allowed in a civilized and free country. 0.94
01:04:46.380 Period.
01:04:46.880 Yes.
01:04:47.660 So God bless you both.
01:04:48.920 Thank you.
01:04:49.460 Same to you.
01:04:50.100 Thank you.
01:04:50.420 Thank you.