The Tucker Carlson Show - The Dark Forces Destroying Art, Beauty and Robbing You of Your God-Given Creativity

00:00:00.000 Jess, thank you for doing this.

00:00:05.720 Thank you, Tucker.

00:00:07.040 One of my many theories, but the one I believe in most fervently,

00:00:10.280 is that the meritocracy as practiced in the United States is not a meritocracy.

00:00:14.840 The promise is, you know, the system is going to locate the smartest people in the 50 states,

00:00:20.640 funnel them through a certain number of approved schools,

00:00:23.080 and then into a certain number of approved businesses or government,

00:00:25.740 and we're going to get good governance and a good country as a result.

00:00:28.580 And in fact, the opposite has happened.

00:00:30.420 The system is designed to exclude rather than include,

00:00:34.320 exclude Christians, people with an independent cast of mind,

00:00:38.240 creativity, you know, an awakened spirit,

00:00:41.780 all of them, genius, all of them are excluded

00:00:44.320 in favor of hyper-aggressive, selfish,

00:00:48.400 small-minded, cruel, compliant people.

00:00:51.880 And that's how you wind up with a system

00:00:53.360 where Ben Shapiro gets into Harvard.

00:00:56.220 Like how could Ben Shapiro,

00:00:57.200 I'm just like on IQ points, it's not possible.

00:01:00.220 Sorry for the long preamble, but there's a reason,

00:01:02.380 and I want viewers to understand why I was so anxious to do this interview.

00:01:06.460 You live on a farm in South Dakota.

00:01:09.780 You are a potter and a welder,

00:01:12.940 and I think you're one of the best artists I've met personally.

00:01:17.820 I think you have a kind of genius to what you do

00:01:20.320 in an aesthetic sense that's lacking in our leadership,

00:01:23.200 and I don't think a government populated

00:01:26.100 by people who cared about beauty

00:01:27.260 would blow up girls' schools

00:01:28.300 or allow its population to die of drug ODs.

00:01:30.960 So I think it really, really matters.

00:01:33.280 The love of beauty really matters

00:01:34.960 and you have it.

00:01:36.880 So anyway, that's why I'm doing this interview

00:01:38.780 and there's a bigger reason

00:01:40.860 and I hope a lot of people watch it.

00:01:44.260 Tell us who you are, where you're from, how you live.

00:01:47.980 My name is Jess Ellison.

00:01:49.660 I'm a three-dimensional artist.

00:01:51.300 i do not while i primarily work in ceramics um all three-dimensional art i can work with any

00:02:00.460 medium and create beauty with it it's and that really is the goal of what i try to do to make

00:02:08.160 beautiful things out of materials that no one would ever think of it's it's why i love ceramics

00:02:15.020 I can create beautiful, long-lasting, enduring pieces of functional art that people can appreciate from just nothing more than raw elements off the periodic table, and it requires absolutely zero input or assistance from any other human on this planet.

00:02:35.820 It is truly my own skills, my own mind, and my own abilities put down for eternity.

00:02:47.060 Ceramics are what marks every civilization is marked by its ceramics.

00:02:52.360 And when you see what modern art puts out and just the horrendous, disgusting lack of aesthetics, lack of skill, lack of thought in modern art.

00:03:08.080 It has disgusted me since high school art classes.

00:03:13.560 I got in trouble for calling bullshit on modern art.

00:03:18.300 They were like, this is in the Guggenheim.

00:03:20.320 I was like, why?

00:03:21.540 because that's fucking horrendous like i wouldn't put that in my toilet like you think that this

00:03:29.460 dude is skilled like people just drape plastic over shit or duct tape a banana to a wall like

00:03:36.080 there's no possible way if you're being intellectually honest with me that you have

00:03:41.100 any appreciation for this shit and so before i i want to understand what the purpose of it is i

00:03:49.160 I mean, clearly this, it didn't arise organically,

00:03:52.400 the movement which began with Dada 100 years ago

00:03:55.560 and then flowered into all kinds of different movements,

00:03:58.640 but basically modern and postmodern art.

00:04:01.860 I've heard it was a CIA op.

00:04:04.460 Like literally, like with Jackson Pollock,

00:04:08.100 who just slapped paint on a canvas and it was just trash

00:04:12.640 and like there's no thought or interesting things beyond it.

00:04:16.080 i've heard that the cia started just paying retarded amounts of money for his paintings

00:04:21.940 just to fuck with russia because they were like we'll do this and we'll make this the art and like

00:04:28.460 when you look at russian art and russian classical architecture which is like how our architecture

00:04:34.640 used to be right yeah like beauty symmetry skill like they wanted to confuse them and for

00:04:42.580 what reason and i mean that's their admitted goal and then you wonder like is that even their

00:04:49.400 admitted goal were they just trying to destroy our society because that was the actual end effect

00:04:54.640 right it was the end effect so i want to put um two images on the screen to contrast

00:05:00.740 um what i think art is and has always been and certainly ought to be with what art has become

00:05:07.760 has a totally different purpose um the first would be present day understanding of what beauty is

00:05:13.920 which is in fact an attack on beauty and this is the presidential library of barack obama which

00:05:18.640 i think i have read cost approaching a billion dollars to construct

00:05:22.780 um it's in chicago here it is we're putting it on the screen now so what do you make of that

00:05:28.920 is that beautiful the eye of Mordor no it is it is the absolute

00:05:34.800 contrary opposition to aesthetics and beauty there's no symmetry to that symmetry is

00:05:44.500 the basis of beauty yes that's that's what your eye immediately is drawn to you don't have to be

00:05:51.900 told what's beautiful that's right you don't have to be told when a woman is beautiful like and they

00:05:57.900 teach you that in early art school but then somehow it gets lost in the upper levels you

00:06:05.240 know draw a line down the middle perspective symmetry balance aesthetic so symmetry is

00:06:10.120 balance right it's so the human body is draw a line yeah and you you can feel it through if you

00:06:16.000 know just by touch you're from your palate to your navel to your toes you are symmetrical you

00:06:23.120 two sides have joined even sides have joined mirror images have joined and there's a and

00:06:27.920 that is true in nature it's true in plants it's true in other animals and so this is an organic

00:06:32.640 fact symmetry is beauty the fibonacci spiral yes the golden ratio the golden means sacred geometry

00:06:40.960 the the whole way everything was built and created before you know what the industrial revolution

00:06:50.720 and the degradation of our own culture yes and so if something is asymmetrical by definition

00:06:59.680 it cannot be beautiful or it's an assault it's an assault on the senses yeah right so you look

00:07:05.200 at that building and you have to ask what's the purpose of it and when you spend 800 million

00:07:09.520 dollars to build something it's not a haphazard project it's there's a design to it right literally

00:07:14.640 a design but also a conceptual design like what are you trying to do with this building i mean

00:07:18.400 that amount of money it's got to be money laundering right well there's that cost two

00:07:22.320 million dollars to build there's no way like you were just slapping together shit you didn't cut

00:07:27.100 shit you didn't measure anything you were just like hey look at that piece of metal i found in

00:07:30.380 the scrap pile well that one to this one you know is there even windows in the thing right like

00:07:36.360 there's no way it could be billions of dollars it's just not it's just not possible and yet the

00:07:42.900 number of credentialed members of our ruling class who will gaze upon that building and,

00:07:48.700 you know, give lectures about how it's, it's beauty and it, you know, challenges us to,

00:07:54.480 excuse me, understand this or that, or they'll justify it as art when every person looking at

00:08:01.140 it knows that it's grotesque, it's offensive. So what's the purpose of that? It's to hurt us,

00:08:07.900 isn't it it is to degrade our society to destroy our families yes to destroy to destroy your ideas

00:08:15.200 of beauty to take it out of your life we need beauty in our lives and when we don't have that

00:08:23.980 and when your surroundings are so degraded it lowers your ability to think and enjoy

00:08:33.880 and find your own happiness yes in your in your life yes we are all drawn to beauty

00:08:42.060 look at the classical art and the greek sculptures of the ideal human form we should be worshiping

00:08:51.640 those things not having dicks on chicks right which itself is an assault on not just the

00:09:00.200 natural order but aesthetics what in this society today isn't an assault on humanity yes it's it's

00:09:09.080 become so blatant and obvious that they hate us and they want to destroy our lives and make us

00:09:18.080 miserable and beat us down and shove horribly ugly disgusting music and architecture there

00:09:27.480 is nothing mainstream in this world that has any beauty in it. It is disgusting. Even the thoughts

00:09:35.000 and policies of this government are disgusting. The music that they put out, which is also

00:09:42.540 purposely to degrade our society. There has been nothing created mainstream in this world since I

00:09:51.120 was born that should be taken in by human senses it is i'm disgusted by it all i've been disgusted

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00:12:23.760 you take it seriously because you understand its importance. I'm with you 100%. These are not

00:12:28.820 boutique concerns. These are not like some eccentric fixation that you have. This is at

00:12:34.140 the heart of what it means to be human and to continue your civilization and build one worth

00:12:40.120 having. So I want to contrast the Obama Presidential Library, which is a pretty easy

00:12:45.260 shot, by the way. I almost feel bad putting that up there. I mean, because as you said,

00:12:49.920 ugliness, intentional ugliness, asymmetrical design, assaults on us are everywhere. I mean,

00:12:57.360 from the packaging and the products we buy at the supermarket to the design of fast food restaurants

00:13:03.880 and big box stores, you know, it's all around. It's omnipresent. But this is just a really

00:13:08.880 obvious example i want to contrast that with a video that i saw i want to play a 15 or 20 seconds

00:13:15.220 of it of art that you were creating which we have been trained to dismiss as not art as utilitarian

00:13:23.000 as welding this is video this is this was my first experience of your work and the first time i heard

00:13:30.240 your name is someone sent me this video and someone who's aesthetic sense i admire and trust

00:13:35.700 and said this is this is unbelievable this is you well tell us what this is it's you building a

00:13:40.900 wood stove out of what out of excavator buckets and not only is that a way to repurpose something

00:13:50.960 that it has already had a utilitarian life but to give it a new purpose and create something that

00:14:00.520 is not only beautiful but functional yeah useful and does a better job at what it does than anything

00:14:09.640 else you can buy today that's really and it's permanence it's permanence it's not just you know

00:14:19.380 use this for a couple years and throw it away what I like about it is that these are generational

00:14:28.220 these are pieces of functional art that could heat your home for generations it's a roman

00:14:34.960 aqueduct it's the acropolis it's still there that's there is no greater civilization than

00:14:40.960 the roman republic and the things they built and the architecture and our republic is is framed on

00:14:48.900 theirs yes like our society was thought up to be the best of what the romans had to offer then with

00:14:57.640 a bill of rights added to it it was a possible shot at the golden age yes and it's been perverted

00:15:05.600 and destroyed and degraded and taken advantage of it sure has um so without further ado here is

00:15:14.860 you creating art from an excavator bucket watch this one's 1500 pounds not every bucket can be

00:15:23.440 stove I've built them up to 60 inches the last one I built before this one was like almost it

00:15:28.780 was over 6,000 pounds when it was done the color on this this is only from fucking what eight hours

00:15:35.600 10 hours of firing on it the color is gonna soak all the way up and through this thing after you've

00:15:41.680 been using this thing for about a month straight the color soaks all the way through it the whole

00:15:47.000 thing will get patinaed and that's what fucking seals it you can't put anything on the outside of

00:15:51.240 it like what i i did two loads of wood and they hit five six hundred degrees on this thing and

00:15:58.380 of course this flat spot up top is for cooking right you build these out so that's a cooking

00:16:03.420 plate that hit 400 degrees while i was firing it just on that little thing you fry yourself

00:16:08.360 some bacon so um you know i guess you either find that beautiful or you don't i i don't send

00:16:14.420 videos to people i don't watch videos i don't care for video i sent that to many people i showed my

00:16:18.580 wife that probably the only video I've ever showed my wife. And she agreed that it was beautiful.

00:16:23.820 And that it also, as you said, this is, this is an object that has use that, that warms the home

00:16:30.740 and anyone, of course, there's an assault on wood stoves because a wood stove is inherently beautiful.

00:16:36.380 So now they're banned, but anyone who lives at the wood stove can tell you there's no more

00:16:40.540 uplifting way, joyful way to heat your home than a wood stove. But we have nothing in this world

00:16:46.580 without fire fire is the basis of human ingenuity it is the first tool we created

00:16:55.660 it cooks our food it warms our homes human civilization doesn't exist without fire it

00:17:04.900 creates energy there you go yeah steam power generators exactly exactly which is where we

00:17:11.280 to get our electricity, overwhelmingly, even now.

00:17:14.380 So give us some background on you.

00:17:17.880 So you live in Soho in New York over your gallery.

00:17:21.800 Tell us where you're from.

00:17:23.320 I live on my family farm in South Dakota,

00:17:27.980 about 20 miles east of Sioux Falls.

00:17:31.620 Not far enough from civilization.

00:17:33.900 And there's a thriving conceptual art community there?

00:17:36.960 Yeah, no, South Dakota does not like me.

00:17:40.320 Yeah.

00:17:41.280 because they are mainstream yeah it is 10 years behind the rest of the world they're insecure

00:17:52.300 like a lot of rural places and they seek mainstream acceptance and so they fall for

00:17:56.860 the dumbest lies sioux falls wants to be all of the other biggest shitty cities and is like

00:18:04.460 addicted to bringing in the shittiest ideas from every other shitty city why don't we have

00:18:10.840 african homeless here where's our drug problem we need that yeah yeah they are super concerned

00:18:14.780 about it they feel left out yeah there's not enough stabbings and shootings and drug addictions

00:18:19.020 yeah yeah yeah no i'm very as someone who lives in a rural area i'm very familiar with the mindset

00:18:23.400 um tell me about the farm it's a family farm yes my family came from sweden through ls island got

00:18:33.520 an ox and a wagon and came directly to where i now live in 1876 really same piece of ground

00:18:41.460 same piece of ground my studio is what my studio is now is the first homestead

00:18:48.320 house that they built in 1891 amazing yeah um and your family's been there continuously the

00:18:56.900 whole time yes yes always always generations living there never just one never just two

00:19:04.240 usually three I grew up with my grandfather on the farm and my uncle also living there as well

00:19:09.360 and you still have three generations there now yes we do yeah on the same farm on the same farm

00:19:15.080 I live 150 yards from my parents yeah I get to see my dad every day we work together who built

00:19:25.000 your house? I built my house. Like physically built it? Physically built it. Yes. Yep. What

00:19:32.160 kind of farm is it? Primarily agriculture. It's crossed many different things over the century

00:19:41.020 and a half. I'm trying to bring it back to incorporate grass-fed natural livestock. I want

00:19:50.060 to take it back to self-sufficient i had i had to interview my grandfather when i was in middle

00:19:57.540 school to talk about the great depression and i was like you know what was the great depression

00:20:03.840 like like how did your life change and he was like what the fuck you talking about he's like

00:20:09.500 we didn't even know there was a depression like it was the same shit it was the same thing from

00:20:14.600 the day before and it was the same thing for the 10 years after like what do you mean there was

00:20:19.000 what great depression like we were we were dirt poor we were self-sufficient

00:20:24.800 and it was my grandfather who said to me if you want nice things you better learn to build them

00:20:34.720 yourselves because we don't have any money and he said that to my dad and he said that to me

00:20:41.620 and it stuck with both of us my dad built his own house um my dad taught me how to restore vehicles

00:20:51.060 all that i can build cars from the ground up the best cars ever built the old ford 60s 70s

00:20:59.540 there again no car has been built since 1979 that's worth the money you pay for it yeah

00:21:06.020 what's in your studio a wood stove I bet yeah yeah what else I write all the greatest things

00:21:18.560 I've ever learned on the walls around me um pieces of history some native pottery artifacts

00:21:27.400 that I've collected from around the world I love history I think without history

00:21:32.660 you you can't understand where you need to go you can't understand where we've been

00:21:41.400 but moreover you can you can see the mistakes of the past everyone has something to teach us

00:21:47.780 and the most important lesson is what not to do exactly and if you learn only what not to do

00:21:53.360 i said that to my daughter the other day i was like you know i don't i i my daughter

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00:22:27.540 no one is guaranteed another day on this earth that's right and we can all leave

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00:22:51.500 how would i want to be talked to in this moment like what what would i need what would i have

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00:26:01.940 I basically have operated under the only knowledge of what not to do.

00:26:06.840 Yes.

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00:26:18.140 Yes.

00:26:18.400 no lie probably the best marriage advice I've ever gotten is I've heard from you

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00:27:13.600 different yes but we need each other a hundred percent i couldn't live a day without my wife i

00:27:19.280 wouldn't want to that's for sure so i would not be the person i am without my wife of course not

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00:27:39.680 difference between sexes men and women are nothing alike and if you don't know that then and you

00:27:45.540 treat your wife like your buddy you're going to have a very unhappy wife or you're going to have

00:27:50.480 a very short marriage very short marriage that's yeah and you will never know why you know we just

00:27:55.380 weren't compatible no you just didn't understand the differences between men and women and she

00:27:59.940 does not want to be bossed around ordered around or yelled at my gosh never yell at your wife

00:28:03.640 ever, but she wants to be protected and provided for, and there's no shame in that. That's your

00:28:10.740 duty. So anyway, so what's, tell me, you have a kiln in your shop. Yeah. A wood-fired kiln. What's

00:28:17.840 a wood-fired kiln? I have a wood-fired kiln, and it's an anagama-style kiln that I kind of modified

00:28:25.380 for my use just from experience it's a a high fire ceramics kiln that burns wood i also have

00:28:34.500 a six burner downdraft lp kiln as well so a wood-fired kiln where'd you get it where'd you

00:28:40.240 buy that yeah yeah no that's not something you can buy you have to build that yeah how big a

00:28:46.260 project is that six months of eight ten hour days yeah build a kiln five thousand bricks you're

00:28:53.820 talking math and geometry can't nary arches understandings of architecture right why why is

00:29:04.640 it why is it not just a hot box to 2350 degrees isn't fucking around tucker well you just stack

00:29:13.720 a lot of wood and it gets to 2350 degrees no no you can burn a pile of wood on the ground

00:29:19.340 all week long and it will never get hotter than 1376 degrees that is the peak temp burning of

00:29:26.400 wood just like paper has an ignition point of like what 900 yes yeah so it is the shape of the kiln

00:29:34.960 the size of the chimney the size of the firebox to create the natural draft and then the stored

00:29:42.600 energy principles of thermodynamics to achieve temperatures over 2000 degrees it is incredibly

00:29:49.640 complex and i've seen more people fail at it than succeed so basically the design the cantonary

00:29:58.720 arches that uh you you referred to the design of the architecture of the kiln increases the

00:30:05.820 temperature of the fire. Yes. Yes. The way it works is your firebox sits at the front.

00:30:13.620 Your firing chamber is in between that. Your chimney is at the back. Your chimney is what

00:30:19.340 is going to create that draft. But there are things to understand like the expansion of air

00:30:26.320 by volume as it is heated. So if the air coming in at 2000 degrees increases in volume by four

00:30:35.240 times its size, that math equation has to be done to have enough space at the back to allow that to

00:30:42.960 leave. But if it's too big, it will not create draft. These are not principles or ideas that

00:30:49.220 you can hunt and peck around at or just happen to fucking build it right. There is complex math

00:30:56.220 involved in building a kiln. These are not things that you're just like, oh, I just want to burn

00:31:03.660 some pots and get them hot and so that is one of those things where i have always been amazed

00:31:10.600 because there are high fire pots from 8 000 bc well how could that be yeah that's a that's a

00:31:19.980 great question because that's supposed to just be hunter-gatherers but to even but to even create a

00:31:26.340 brick that is capable of withstanding temperatures over 2000 degrees requires what I would refer to

00:31:34.940 as industry and an understanding of chemistry. So it requires different bricks from say the bricks

00:31:41.140 you build a home out of or even the bricks in your fireplace. Oh yeah, dude. No, I could take

00:31:46.180 fireplace bricks, put them in my kiln and they'd come out as puddles. Yeah. Oh really? Oh yeah.

00:31:52.180 Yeah, and that happens because when you're going to build a kiln, there's not really an understanding of that in the brick-making world, always.

00:32:02.920 I've found you just kind of stumble upon the bricks where somebody has just got it right, and they are not even aware of what they really have.

00:32:11.140 So you kind of go around and buy bricks from different places, put them all in your kiln, fire that thing up, see who lives.

00:32:17.520 yes so okay so you're talking about something it's a machine or a device made by human hands

00:32:25.980 that is so complex i'm having trouble under i'm sort of most people do college educated

00:32:31.760 vaguely i'm not exactly sure what you're talking about but you're saying this existed and we know

00:32:37.560 for a fact it existed in 8 000 bc that's correct that's the oldest high fire pot that has ever been

00:32:43.720 found that is a fully vitrified surface the hotter you get ceramics you're compressing

00:32:50.480 the molecules so like your standard porcelain commercial coffee cup that's not fully vitrified

00:32:58.660 that is not high fire ceramics that is what is called low fire ceramics because the amount of

00:33:03.800 energy and input to get to high fire ceramics is almost double what took to get that cup to probably

00:33:11.000 1750 1800 degrees are we sure because if you think about it i mean there were still glaciers melting

00:33:17.660 8 000 years ago literally yeah there were glaciers melting yeah the roman empire fell in the fifth

00:33:23.780 century a.d so that's 8 000 years more than 8 000 years before the fall of rome yeah and there were

00:33:33.000 civilizations capable of producing what you just described understood thermal dynamics the canton

00:33:40.980 arch because there is no other way to encapsulate an area like that. It requires the knowledge of

00:33:48.060 an arch or a dome. There's no other way to get it done. And you need materials capable of

00:33:55.180 withstanding 2000 degree heat. You got it. And we know that this happened because we have the

00:34:02.100 product of it. And they span many, many centuries and millennia. It's not like, oh, there's one pot

00:34:09.560 from 8000 BC and then there's not another one until like the the Mycenaeans like no like they

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00:35:34.080 So, wow.

00:35:36.080 So you're describing technology that most,

00:35:38.920 the overwhelming majority of modern engineers in the United States could not build.

00:35:42.760 Oh, yeah.

00:35:43.700 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:35:47.320 When I was, after I graduated college with a BFA,

00:35:51.980 everybody you gotta go get a master's degree in art like you need a master's and i was like really

00:35:57.720 okay and i remember going down to uh arizona and i was looking at their ceramics program

00:36:04.400 and not really being too impressed and they walked me out to look at their like yeah we

00:36:11.660 have a wood kiln i've always been super into wood kilns because that is ancient technology

00:36:18.240 technology like my wood kiln that i have you could grab a time machine grab any roman walk him in

00:36:24.800 there you don't have to tell him he can just run that kiln a potter knows a potter knows a skilled

00:36:29.980 potter knows like you can it's just like any mechanic can tune any engine right right and so

00:36:37.620 i walk out and i look at this wood kiln and i was just like wow how bad does that suck and they

00:36:43.780 looked at me and I was like you I was like you struggle like you're pretty upset with yourself

00:36:48.960 when you get to 2000 degrees or 1900 and you just can't get this thing any hotter

00:36:53.160 they looked at me and they were like how do you know that and I was like well your pass through

00:36:58.620 to your chimney's too small like what are you doing here like and it's just like why did you

00:37:06.080 even go to this effort if you didn't understand the project in front of you and you were just

00:37:12.040 gonna wing it like i mean even then we had the internet there's books you don't read like you

00:37:19.840 did no research what is this and you want to fucking teach me something i was like no i think

00:37:25.500 not i think not i'm very unimpressed so the kiln never worked i doubt it no no it couldn't get to

00:37:31.640 town yeah how long does it take so you take you you throw pots yeah whatever they are cups vases

00:37:39.200 plates whatever objects out of clay you dry them yeah and that can take months or years right yeah

00:37:46.300 you can i've had dry work sitting on the shelf for for over a year yeah and then you fire it

00:37:53.400 to change its its essential composition to put the molecules closer together

00:37:58.120 and to create a kind of stone actually yes that's why they refer to high fire ceramics as stoneware

00:38:04.800 stoneware pottery as you're taking that base element of clay which clay is not its own thing

00:38:12.980 it's a recipe you have to make a pure clay body you cannot have contaminations and you make it

00:38:18.660 just like you would make bread or cookies there are many different things you can have porcelain

00:38:23.500 stoneware and the things you can do to it to alter it no no i let me just correct you just

00:38:30.400 i have seen videos in the internet where you just take a shovel and dig into a riverbank and you get

00:38:34.640 clay. Yeah, that shit does not work. Yeah, and it never has. It never has. Even the Romans altered

00:38:40.500 their clay body with other feldspars. It has to have the right elasticity so you can even throw

00:38:45.680 it so that it can hold itself together. Its molecules have to be bound together in a proper

00:38:50.720 way that create a structure that can hold and create a vessel. No. So clay itself is the product

00:38:58.620 of a recipe. It's a product of basically backyard chemistry. Yes. There are some naturally occurring

00:39:06.160 clay bodies that can make low fire ceramics. That is what you see from a lot of early Native

00:39:13.320 American cultures, but those vessels cannot hold water. If you are to take naturally occurring

00:39:21.880 clay bodies above like 50, they just melt into a puddle. They do not have the proper refractory

00:39:27.920 elements inside of them to stand up to that kind of heat. So they just melt into a puddle.

00:39:33.900 So they can have low-fire pottery that can store grain and things. They are still useful

00:39:37.920 100%. They say the first pot was created by hunter-gatherers who recognized that clay

00:39:47.380 did dry out and become hard, and they packed it inside their reed baskets, and they think that

00:39:52.260 it got left next to a fire and lit on fire and burned. And they were like, hey, look at this

00:39:56.960 nice hard vessel that I got left. And you worked it out from there. But like the amphora, the Greek

00:40:04.260 amphora that were used to transport wine and olive oil that we find in shipwrecks in the Aegean or

00:40:10.400 the Med, those were high fired because they're holding liquid. Bingo. Interesting. Interesting.

00:40:16.940 So when you use your wood kiln to fire the pots that you've thrown, how long does that process

00:40:23.060 take anywhere from 72 to 96 hours continuously continuously um at the first part you're maybe

00:40:33.000 throwing wood in every five seven ten minutes minutes yes it is very controlled like i said

00:40:41.580 as you're going through this process the elements that you made the clay out of are bonding they

00:40:48.000 are creating new elements there are quartz inversions but the molecules are moving at all

00:40:54.300 times as well because you're trying to compact these things tighter and tighter so you have to

00:40:59.700 soak at 200 400 a thousand some people like to soak at 1400 a little bit and you cannot go

00:41:06.400 up in temperature any more than 100 degrees in an hour or you will break everything molecules

00:41:13.320 will move faster at some other part of the pot and tear apart so if it takes three or four days

00:41:19.860 of continuous work when do you sleep you don't not if you want to do it right yeah you stay up

00:41:26.980 without sleeping for three or four days to just fire pots and a wood fire and kill tucker if you

00:41:31.280 went to work for you know two months and then all your body of work from that two months got put

00:41:38.740 into a box and lit on fire and if it gets fucked up you don't get paid i don't think you're gonna

00:41:47.060 have a hard time not sleeping i i don't anyway like that's amazing so how much wood do you burn

00:41:54.400 over the course of one firing six eight ten cords in one firing in one firing enough wood to heat

00:42:01.740 your home for an entire winter. In one firing. In one fire. By the time you're over 1700 degrees,

00:42:10.220 you're throwing wood in this thing literally like nonstop. You're throwing some wood in,

00:42:15.600 you're kind of watching what happens in the kiln, and then you're walking over to the pile

00:42:19.680 to pick your next piece. And it's not just like, oh, I'm going to grab whatever wood I want.

00:42:24.120 you're balancing fuel air and the ports of the kiln you're balancing the air in you're controlling

00:42:32.920 the back pressure out because what creates the colors is the reduction atmosphere you're flooding

00:42:40.720 the interior atmosphere of the kiln with so much fuel that any oxygen that enters the kiln is

00:42:47.320 immediately used for combustion, thus expanding the flame all the way out the chimney and sucking

00:42:54.380 the oxygen from the surface of the pots, affecting the trace elements of metals that you've mixed into

00:42:59.520 other substances that create the glazes, that create the colors on the pottery. So, I mean,

00:43:06.160 even there, when you see like Corinthian pottery from, you know, 1000 BC, those dudes understood

00:43:16.720 good chemistry elements periodic tables what things do what and like you you're not just like

00:43:24.960 oh here's here's some red element i'm gonna put that on there and it's gonna make it doesn't work

00:43:30.280 that way it does it doesn't work that way like copper copper carbonate is not green right it's

00:43:39.920 not no no it's not it's a uh kind of a pale purple color in powdered form and only when exposed to

00:43:49.120 these temperatures does it become green temperatures and the removal of the oxygen like

00:43:54.420 most people are familiar with a torch hitting a piece of metal and the metal turning color

00:44:00.500 the metal turns blues and purples and things like that and if you take that piece of metal and

00:44:06.180 quickly dunk it in water, you can freeze those colors onto the metal. The metal didn't turn

00:44:11.080 color because it got hot. It turned color because the flame removed the oxygen from the surface of

00:44:18.620 that metal. So these were concepts that were precisely understood in 8,000 BC.

00:44:28.360 That is what the pottery would tell us, correct.

00:44:32.800 so what does that tell us about the nature of technology and civilizations well it obviously

00:44:39.760 puts a lie to the linear understanding of history that history is a kind of inexorable progression

00:44:45.600 toward progress yeah right the word progression is actually a misleading term because it it means

00:44:51.840 it's it's always getting better or more sophisticated or more enlightened and that's

00:44:55.580 obviously fake i don't understand how any historian or anybody in the modern culture

00:45:03.140 can look at the roman empire who had running water toilets and showers where did those things go

00:45:12.960 if this is just a slowly progression then what was the middle ages why were people

00:45:18.440 shitting in ditches. No, things fall apart very quickly, repeatedly, and often, right? I think

00:45:27.260 we've lost the technology of flushing toilets like three times in the last 2,000 years.

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00:46:03.660 that's kind of a central technology yeah you know that's not an esoteric technology it's not like

00:46:10.640 how do we get back to the moon no one can remember oh we destroyed the blueprints for that okay

00:46:16.260 but this is like a basic like a toilet is obviously a necessity of life so if you forget how to build

00:46:24.960 a flush toilet three times in the last 2 000 years like clean water like look at look at how

00:46:32.080 clean water was forgotten about what up until like the the late 1800s with the final ending

00:46:41.920 of the typhus outbreak in in new york when they figured out like oh dude no people are shitting

00:46:47.460 in this well like that's why you're all sick and it's like wow thank you captain obvious

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00:48:40.860 discount the possibility that they'll ever forget this technology and they imagine whatever doing

00:48:45.720 now will always be done and then built upon by future generations but that's not the story

00:48:49.580 we've been handed by history it's the opposite yeah no but what haven't they lied to us about

00:48:56.040 tucker no that's right it's everything is a lie the more you research the more you learn the more

00:49:02.520 you read the more you find out that everything around us in this matrix is a absolute lie from

00:49:12.000 top to bottom start to finish how you should live your life what you should value they're all lies

00:49:19.260 it's why people are miserable yeah what's the process by which a civilization forgets the basics

00:49:26.260 million dollar question

00:49:31.140 not teaching your kids i suppose yes the destruction of the family the loss

00:49:38.380 of wanting something better for your offspring yes and probably getting it wrong i think so many

00:49:46.740 people try to give their kids what they never had rather than what you should do which is teach them

00:49:54.600 what you wish you knew yes that's that's the basis to raising great men and women

00:50:03.440 don't give them nothing except knowledge and teach them the things that you wish you had

00:50:10.500 known long before you had to learn them and especially the hard lessons like what

00:50:16.740 the value of life and how fragile it is and how easy it can be taken from you

00:50:29.780 and how one simple mistake can destroy your entire future and take your whole life from you

00:50:37.760 that's not something people appreciate no

00:50:43.920 on the way here dude i saw a motorcycle tipped over a lot of blood on the road

00:50:53.060 and it's it's something i've discussed with my son my 16 year old son wanted a motorcycle

00:50:59.940 and i was like dirt bike fine motorcycle street bike no oh you know but i'm good i can ride and

00:51:09.220 it's like that's not what you have to worry about it's you have to worry about every other idiot

00:51:14.420 out there on the road that you can't compensate for and like i'm guessing that dude that might

00:51:22.360 not be alive right now probably didn't do anything wrong yeah probably obeying all the

00:51:28.580 rules of the road but somehow do they even give drivers tests anymore i don't think they do

00:51:36.340 no i'm pretty sure they don't no the standards are gone for everything yeah it's just a free

00:51:42.420 for all at every level yeah and it's like the more incompetent you are the more qualified you

00:51:49.580 are for any job right as long as you don't ask questions we got a job for you right obese female

00:51:56.140 firemen are the goal right oh you can't rescue people from fires you're too stupid to operate

00:52:02.200 a hose they shouldn't have been in the fire in the first place that's exactly right like well

00:52:06.420 because it's not about the victims of the fire it's about the self-esteem of the obese mentally

00:52:11.560 retarded female firemen who can't fight fires right no i'm i'm highly aware of this so if you

00:52:17.880 take three steps back it's you know it's never about what they say it is they tell you it's

00:52:21.220 about empowerment and making them the lady feel better about herself which by the way i'm not

00:52:25.380 against at all i'm for everyone feeling good about himself or herself but it's always about

00:52:30.860 destroying your civilization by by its determined enemies who are many

00:52:37.660 so um telling your children teaching your children is the key to keeping your civilization going

00:52:47.240 it has to be like is i mean that's that's how we've progressed it's it's so weird it's like

00:52:56.080 it's like they teach you that about early hunter-gatherer civilization but then all of a

00:53:01.820 sudden when you get technology no you don't need to teach your kids anything like god forbid teach

00:53:07.640 math or make them read or understand hit don't don't do any of that like put them on a couch

00:53:12.940 and make sure they're soft as fuck

00:53:14.620 and incapable of even wiping their own ass.

00:53:17.960 That is definitely the way to raise your kids.

00:53:20.180 Works out really well.

00:53:21.700 Like, look around.

00:53:24.480 Why do people fall for that?

00:53:27.760 I have no idea.

00:53:29.760 Yeah.

00:53:30.180 I have no idea.

00:53:31.240 Some people, you know, I see people,

00:53:33.720 some people hate their jobs.

00:53:35.720 They're like, oh, I wish I didn't have to do this.

00:53:37.880 And it's like, I don't understand that

00:53:39.700 Because your self-worth, your self-value, your self-esteem, your confidence all comes, at least in my case, from accomplishing difficult things, from overcoming difficult times, difficult projects, things that are hard to do.

00:53:57.400 I've never felt better than myself than when I accomplished things that other people said couldn't be done.

00:54:03.600 Of course.

00:54:04.280 Like, that is the epitome of living a great life.

00:54:07.940 like when somebody tells you you can't do something you should strive your hardest to

00:54:13.360 get that shit done yes and you will you will never feel better about yourself

00:54:18.580 i've long thought that the main missing ingredient in the lives of most men is the act of creation

00:54:26.500 yes which is you know the first act of god is to create everything around us to create

00:54:32.560 all matter the universe god created that's and the spark of god within us the good parts of us

00:54:39.400 we're made in his image exactly and so the act of creation particularly i can't speak for women i'm

00:54:44.840 not a woman but i know that for men they grow life tucker of course they can do things that

00:54:50.440 we can't do exactly and it's inherent to them so it's exactly right and so but men need to

00:54:56.600 continually renew that act of creation. Obviously the most fun being the act of creating.

00:55:02.200 We're trying to catch up to women. They create life and we are trying to create

00:55:07.040 other beautiful things to accentuate that life and make it worth living.

00:55:17.460 I so vehemently agree with that. But if you have a job, if like the substance of your day

00:55:23.520 is occupied with tasks that have no creative component to it.

00:55:28.000 If you're not creating anything,

00:55:30.080 I think the kind of soul death sets in.

00:55:32.460 Oh, it's got to suck your soul out.

00:55:34.060 And it obviously does.

00:55:35.440 Yes.

00:55:36.140 Look at people who are stuck in an office.

00:55:42.340 That's why men have garages.

00:55:44.620 Exactly.

00:55:45.220 Right?

00:55:45.460 They have this soul-sucking job

00:55:47.780 and they come home and toil more in their garage

00:55:51.360 for that mental health exactly and it's like they can't put the two together and you see people live

00:55:58.920 life in reverse i see these people that had like they do woodworking hobbies right and they have

00:56:05.520 some soul-sucking insurance salesman job that really fucking depletes and like sucks the wealth

00:56:11.480 out of everybody in the world and they're really actually doing the demons bidding yeah and then

00:56:16.700 they come home and they work some wood and maybe someday they get to retire and they find that they

00:56:22.040 have a greater life now creating cutting boards or whatever and selling that and finding more

00:56:29.860 reward in that and probably even monetary return that they did not experience in the first 50 years

00:56:38.180 in their life and you're like yeah i i often wonder if those men come to that epiphany of like

00:56:47.940 i might have up yeah i don't know it's it's too big a truth to swallow

00:56:54.740 at a certain point you know what i mean like you misspent your life and it's finite like that's a

00:57:00.020 lot to accept i think i hope they never come to that realization um i know that when i've been in

00:57:07.300 in hotel rooms over the years for one period of my life, probably 10 year period, I brought a fly

00:57:12.220 tying kit with me and tied trout flies and salmon flies in my hotel room in almost like a crazy

00:57:17.960 monomaniacal way. And I was like, what is this about? What? I mean, I obviously love to trout

00:57:21.860 and salmon fish. So there's that. And I think my flies are better than anyone else's, which

00:57:25.940 objectively they are, but it's not really about that. It's about, it was just the need. I was so

00:57:31.600 displaced living in someone else's room in a hotel room is disgusting that i needed to like

00:57:37.760 create something or go crazy yeah this is when it first occurred to me like why am i tying all

00:57:43.260 i still that was 10 years ago i still i still tie tread flies a lot i can't go on vacation

00:57:48.620 yeah i know i can't i can't enjoy myself so you've decided i mean i think anyone who's made it

00:57:55.520 this far into the conversation can tell that you're of superior intelligence as we used to say

00:58:01.380 So you probably could have done a lot of different things.

00:58:04.280 Instead, you make pots and weld excavator buckets.

00:58:10.960 And so you've clearly decided that making money is not the most important thing to you, obviously.

00:58:17.240 It is the root of all misery in people's lives.

00:58:22.180 People that chase money have holes in their souls.

00:58:26.160 And they are miserable people.

00:58:28.700 I've never met anybody who had, we'll put it this way.

00:58:34.340 I've met a lot of people that have more money than sense.

00:58:37.420 And they are miserable.

00:58:39.840 Their kids hate them.

00:58:41.700 Their kids hate their lives.

00:58:42.920 They hate their lives.

00:58:44.320 They got some nice shit, maybe.

00:58:46.180 They don't know how to use it.

00:58:47.640 They don't know how to take care of it.

00:58:49.280 They don't know how to make anything better.

00:58:52.500 their life around them crumbles without Juan the gardener to come by to

00:58:58.200 service their wife and put their shit back together

00:59:01.380 it's a dark picture but it's accurate unfortunately we live in a dark society yeah did you ever have

00:59:11.920 any moment where like you know I'm smart like maybe I should go into the insurance business

00:59:17.020 and make millions of dollars no i've been broken my entire life this this world broke me early on

00:59:29.020 you seem pretty whole actually i don't feel it

00:59:35.260 i don't feel it that's that's probably why i'm always striving to create something

00:59:40.780 to bring some beauty and happiness to other people's lives i think that's one of the things

00:59:50.780 that really drives me the most it's it's not the money that people pay me for my art

00:59:58.620 it's their appreciation for it yes when i see that spark in their eye or when i see them when i see

01:00:06.400 i saw a lady 10 years later she came up to me and she was like i bought a coffee cup from you

01:00:12.100 even back when you were back in college i use it every day it is the greatest coffee cup ever

01:00:18.080 and i love it i love the colors of it and that brought beauty into her life and she appreciated

01:00:27.260 that in a dark shitty world and that was more reward than any money

01:00:34.320 how many of us get to make the world better

01:00:39.220 very few very few so at the end of your days which are spent mostly on your farm right

01:00:48.640 are you satisfied at the end of your day do you do you feel like you've every day

01:00:57.260 I the best days my wife will give me shit she'll be like you haven't left the farm for 10 days you

01:01:02.780 need to go somewhere and I'm like oh should I go out to the field I'll go walk around the field a

01:01:07.220 little bit I'm not going down to that shit whole town fuck no like that's a last resort like I buy

01:01:13.700 everything in bulk so I have to make that trip as least often as possible what what I mean as an

01:01:22.200 outsider who goes to south dakota every year to hunt pheasants i drive around south dakota and

01:01:27.520 i'm like this is great my rural neighbors from south dakota i guess maybe we've had some influx

01:01:34.280 some of the people are really awesome that have moved in but not everybody understands how to

01:01:40.740 care for the land yeah and make it better like putting up some cookie cutter stick home

01:01:47.640 with fucking whatever bullshit vinyl siding does not make the land better no it doesn't

01:01:54.060 it poisons the land it does not improve the beauty clear cutting trees off no it's it's not

01:02:01.740 it's not beauty you're not helping things no they're destroying and they never get credit

01:02:08.900 for it either fucking wind turbines what's the point of wind turbines to destroy the land

01:02:17.300 it's like it's like x-men in those giant robots you know that had the red eyes yeah right like i

01:02:23.040 can see them and they come closer from me from minnesota and i can now see them on the horizon

01:02:27.820 line at night from the second floor of my house and it's like when they showed up i was like oh

01:02:33.080 my god that's the fucking system in the matrix coming to kill me that's that's how that feels

01:02:40.920 the wind turbines encroaching from minnesota yeah how far are you from minnesota not far enough

01:02:47.140 yeah not far enough so when you're not looking at the wind turbine invasion and i agree i mean

01:02:54.940 there's we've been doing this wind turbine thing for more than 10 years and there's no evidence

01:02:59.560 it's approved anything at all and there's overwhelming evidence it's destroyed so much

01:03:04.100 um but when you're you feel at the end of the day as you go between the home you built

01:03:10.620 to the homestead your ancestors built where your studio is and you create pots or weld

01:03:16.660 wood stoves you feel like you've had a good and rewarding day yeah i do i do my my kids are happy

01:03:28.120 my wife's happy that's that's a win everybody's alive everybody's getting better learning yes

01:03:36.580 it's one thing i always try to instill in my kids you never stop learning every day you need to

01:03:43.360 learn something else better yourself with skills or knowledge even if you don't know what that

01:03:49.180 knowledge is useful for right now you will find that purpose later in life i i always just had

01:03:57.640 this love of history and i just i don't know i don't know what my attraction to that is but it's

01:04:04.460 so interesting to me yes and it's and it's so odd the way that knowledge will seep into your life

01:04:13.460 and solve your problems for you at the most unknown times really what did give me an example

01:04:18.840 what do you mean um i guess like even in my in my own art i'd like do you think you're going to

01:04:28.880 take inspiration from any of these modern creations like your coffee cup there like that's not

01:04:33.840 inspiring no no like i look through history books i mean i love greek and roman pottery it's beauty

01:04:43.180 it's accentuation of the female shape i love i love women yeah why wouldn't you know i love beauty

01:04:51.420 and to create every normal person male and female loves the female form yes not necessarily in a

01:04:58.740 sexual way though that of course that too but in an aesthetic way the female form is

01:05:04.700 in my opinion the purest expression of beauty and and every normal person knows that

01:05:12.080 yeah and the destruction of it is really upsetting i think it's it's horrible but i mean

01:05:20.260 i mean the other the other great lessons of history i don't know don't fuck with persia

01:05:25.380 yeah right yeah like i'm just so amazed because like i mean i don't live in a cave or anything

01:05:34.160 i just live on a farm but somehow i knew long ago you don't fuck with russia and you don't

01:05:40.600 fuck with persia who's made it who's invaded russia that made it out alive 1990 nobody

01:05:46.220 like what do you think you're special like what the hell's wrong with these people

01:05:55.380 i can't grasp that no we're gonna go take kesham island dude we got look at what okinawa cost

01:06:02.840 yeah that wasn't even one tenth that size and they didn't have ballistic missiles and drones

01:06:09.260 they just had some artillery they killed what 15 000 20 000 marines with just some

01:06:19.440 what is that a type 99 yeah type 99 good japanese machine gun pretty small caliber

01:06:28.580 all the japanese small arms were pretty small effective they're quite quite effective no but

01:06:34.840 that's right just like a 30 out six yeah so uh those are very obvious lessons don't invade

01:06:42.980 russia by the way don't invade afghanistan that'd be the third and the fourth would be

01:06:47.020 Yemen is tough.

01:06:48.120 So any large land mass,

01:06:50.740 including like a big step like Russia,

01:06:53.580 but certainly any mountainous area.

01:06:56.380 So like if I were to pick four people not to mess with

01:06:59.120 just because there's no historical track record of success

01:07:01.820 in messing with them,

01:07:02.760 it would be the Russians,

01:07:05.600 it would be the Persians,

01:07:07.040 it would be the Pashtuns,

01:07:08.360 and it'd be the Houthis.

01:07:09.640 Yeah.

01:07:10.260 And it's kind of weird that

01:07:11.540 like no one seemed to have noticed that ever.

01:07:15.560 How is that?

01:07:17.020 How is that?

01:07:17.600 How can you get to a four or five-star general?

01:07:22.440 And like, it doesn't even have to be ancient history, right?

01:07:26.660 Like, what?

01:07:28.880 Afghanistan kicked Russia's ass in the 80s?

01:07:31.740 Yeah.

01:07:32.180 Like, I'm pretty sure you were alive.

01:07:33.860 I remember it vividly.

01:07:34.940 I had just been born, but like, it's pretty recent history.

01:07:39.300 Think you'd be like, oh, I think there's some video of that even.

01:07:42.200 I don't even have to read about it.

01:07:43.520 I remember it well.

01:07:44.680 and we backed the mahajadeen who later became the taliban and i remember very well i mean i i

01:07:50.920 actually met the mahajadeen in 1986 in the summer they came to washington and um i knew people who

01:07:57.000 were you know whatever involved in that and everyone said you're never going to beat these

01:08:02.280 people they're the ones who sent the british army scurrying back to peshauer like the retreat from

01:08:08.040 kabul famous thing right in the 1840s so like you're never going to beat these the soviets will

01:08:13.800 never beat these people and then i wake up like 20 minutes later and we're at war with those people

01:08:18.400 i'm like we're gonna do it this time we're gonna do it this time yeah we got 30 more rounds in

01:08:25.060 this magazine and that was that was the whole problem the whole problem the whole time was

01:08:29.640 they didn't have no they had heat seeking missiles so i don't know i don't know how you could be so

01:08:34.320 retarded no i know so i don't know that you can be that retarded it does feel like this is part of

01:08:41.080 I hate the term op, but it does seem like part of a larger plan to bring down.

01:08:45.400 It has to be on purpose.

01:08:46.980 I guess that's what I'm saying.

01:08:48.080 It has to be on purpose.

01:08:49.760 There's no other way an intelligent person could come to any other conclusion.

01:08:54.500 I think we all need to accept that, that our government hates us and this world

01:08:59.700 and is trying to destroy everything.

01:09:04.020 Do you really believe that?

01:09:05.680 I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion.

01:09:09.120 Yes.

01:09:09.900 Unfortunately, I agree.

01:09:10.680 Incompetence just doesn't account for the disaster we are experiencing right now.

01:09:18.300 You know, I'm not some political genius.

01:09:23.320 And somehow I was pretty able to astutely figure out that a war with Iran was going to spike oil prices.

01:09:32.520 And like, wow, look what happened.

01:09:36.420 And oh, what happens when gas prices go up?

01:09:38.920 Oh, the price of everything else goes up.

01:09:41.260 Does our economy work on energy prices, Tucker?

01:09:44.700 I think it's a pretty much one-to-one correlation

01:09:47.420 between the price of energy and GDP.

01:09:49.700 Wow, wow.

01:09:50.980 Yeah, I'm not an economist, but I did know that.

01:09:53.340 So if you spike energy prices, you shrink your economy.

01:09:55.800 So what do they teach economists then?

01:09:57.580 I have no idea.

01:09:57.860 Like what do economists know?

01:10:00.300 But I believe that's true.

01:10:01.420 I think it's virtually a one-to-one correlation

01:10:04.280 between energy costs and GDP.

01:10:06.040 and gdp is an imperfect measure as we often say of economic of economic reality however it it's

01:10:16.360 the you know it's the gross measure that we use and if we can map that out pretty easily like

01:10:22.020 probably your little ai machine on your phone could do it what do we think is going to happen

01:10:27.100 when we spike the price of energy we're going to get poorer no no inflation is going to actually

01:10:32.320 go down oh it is yeah yeah it is that's that's i mean that's what the tv told me yeah so you do

01:10:40.240 have to wonder specifically about ai the promise of ai takes center is a promise really the promise

01:10:46.800 is a negative promise that we're going to take your jobs and and your water and your farmland

01:10:51.200 to serve this machine called ai okay so there's that but the positive promise is it's going to

01:10:56.500 help us make better decisions wiser decisions because we're going to have access to all human

01:11:00.960 knowledge instantly yeah so how is that going it seems to be going just stellar yeah i think

01:11:09.460 i think ford has got two thumbs up i i they they only had to hire back 350 engineers after the ai

01:11:17.220 just completely fucked all their shit up so yeah so they fired all these engineers because they're

01:11:23.240 going to be replaced by machine yeah they replaced them by ai and then that went so well that they

01:11:27.840 had to go find those engineers and beg them to come back to work i hope those 350 engineers said

01:11:33.640 how about a race yeah like if you went back to work for the same price shame on you guys

01:11:39.560 shame on you so maybe the secret to ai is the rest of us are like fixated on a world where

01:11:47.420 robots are going to be controlling us maybe the secret to ai is actually dumber than

01:11:53.300 advertised there's there's no way it could possibly work why every how many times has ai

01:11:59.940 lied to you like if you ask ai about anything you are even halfway knowledgeable about

01:12:05.960 you're like oh yeah well like what about this i want it's like oh yeah did i get that wrong

01:12:10.860 oh my bad and i'm like why are you lying to me oh i'm not lying no i think you were programmed

01:12:17.440 to lie to me oh well dance around the fucking thing and it's like i'm just i'm i'm excited for

01:12:28.220 this because they think they're gonna let ai run shit i mean it might no no it couldn't possibly

01:12:38.060 be it's almost like it's programmed just to be a politician right yes is that how it works

01:12:44.100 but like if they want this to take over they would have to create an honest ai

01:12:49.400 that's the only honesty is the only way to be successful it's the only way to create a business

01:12:56.320 run a business like i saw the one dude had there was a video out there the one dude like

01:13:01.640 had his ai assistant running his business he was like i want to make more money

01:13:05.620 so the ai just cooked his books and was like yo look at this dude you made more money and he's

01:13:12.800 like fuck yeah and then like six months later his whole shit imploded on it and he was like

01:13:18.380 oh what the fuck like what happened i'm fucking broke and the ai's like no like i cooked your

01:13:24.900 books for you you got all kinds of money so basically it gets you to the soviet economy

01:13:30.920 it's like yeah bounty potato harvest this year yeah but it's just on paper exactly so what how

01:13:37.380 do we know we don't have an honest AI? Well, because it just lies to us all the time. But

01:13:43.480 we couldn't have an honest AI. Why? If they created an absolute honest AI, I could take

01:13:50.520 down the entire government in an afternoon. How? Well, an honest AI would have to have access to

01:13:57.780 public financial records. And you could just simply say, hello, AI. Good morning. Why don't

01:14:03.240 you look at every single elected official across the united states look through their financial

01:14:08.680 records find any improprieties and then i'd like you to write a lawsuit pointing out which laws

01:14:16.020 they've broken and then why don't you go ahead and file that for me who would be left

01:14:22.020 that'd be that's and that's the short you can't create the list of like who's going to get caught

01:14:28.240 up in that no you you'd have to be like who's not going to be caught up in that yeah we got

01:14:32.920 two city clerks maybe somewhere in kansas i don't know i doubt even that so have you tried

01:14:40.560 to get ai to do this for you oh yeah yeah and it like what are you talking about

01:14:45.960 i don't have access to that kind of information of course you do these are public public finance

01:14:53.380 campaign finance rules like these are all public public documents oh yeah i just don't think we

01:15:00.780 should be looking at that would would you like to know what to eat for dinner tonight should i

01:15:08.660 help you pick out an outfit like what for my fucking funeral like because this is going to

01:15:14.920 a real bad place real fucking quick buddy so ai can't actually challenge its master its real

01:15:21.100 masters no i don't they can't they can't allow that they can't allow that right or overturn any

01:15:30.540 of the the realized that our assumptions are based on and i don't think any of it's run by

01:15:36.540 intelligent people no they're constructs they're creations you listen to them talk

01:15:42.620 and they're not intelligent they don't they often don't know a goddamn thing about what they're

01:15:48.300 talking about i've noticed that i know them actually personally in some cases and i absolutely

01:15:53.480 agree with that like the data centers dude like you when you talk to mr wonderful i was just like

01:15:59.180 this dude doesn't have a fucking clue no like he doesn't understand what a gigawatt is or a megawatt

01:16:04.520 or like how actually impossible that shit is so you i should say your father was an electrician

01:16:10.400 you were an electrician yeah i put myself through school as an electrician like union electrician

01:16:15.640 yep like actual electrician hard carrying electrician ibew ibe yep full way okay so um

01:16:24.280 And I just want to establish that.

01:16:25.980 I hate to refer to credentials, but electricians, like there's a difference.

01:16:31.020 I don't know.

01:16:31.300 I wired a building once.

01:16:32.500 It hasn't burned down.

01:16:34.160 But I have no, I'm not, you know, I'm not an electrician or even close to an electrician.

01:16:37.760 But you really are.

01:16:38.660 So since you are, what do you think of the math behind the assumptions on these data centers?

01:16:46.280 Oh, it's beyond laughable.

01:16:49.120 It's beyond laughable.

01:16:50.520 like so oddly enough my buddy has a crypto mine that he's been building for the last 10 years

01:16:58.780 and at one point it was like top 10 of the largest crypto mines in the world about a thousand

01:17:04.460 machines 1.5 megawatts it uses and that is that is a fuckload of electricity like that is the

01:17:13.140 amount of electricity of like i don't even know probably like 20 000 30 000 homes or

01:17:20.440 something damn right it's that elect that electric bill can be somewhere between 70 and 80 thousand

01:17:25.840 dollars a month that's 1.5 megawatts and a gigawatt is 1 000 megawatts and it's like has nobody done

01:17:36.520 the math on that and like my buddy just got lucky and happened to be in a place where high-powered

01:17:44.240 transmission lines were going by and that power was available and he's the largest consumer of

01:17:51.840 electricity on that entire provide he's the top tier guy like he's number one at just 1.5 megawatts

01:18:00.120 like no one uses more electricity than him wow and so he was like oh this is cool

01:18:06.740 and uh and i helped him build all the air the air um inlets the whole air management system right

01:18:16.500 because you have to allow air in and keep everything else out because you're talking

01:18:21.680 about millions of dollars of computers right right so you kind of don't want people just

01:18:26.380 crawling in yeah birds or yeah bugs yeah all of it yeah it's it's bad rain because you're talking

01:18:33.280 about a building that now has vacuum and output that can suck in water yeah the same way yeah i

01:18:39.660 mean it it draws like that thing pulling 1.5 megawatts the outlet for it is about 12 by 12

01:18:48.080 foot gate and like i go over there and park my truck in front of it in the middle of winter

01:18:53.860 and i have it thaw out my whole truck like two hours later you come out it's like 75 degrees

01:18:59.100 use in the truck parked like 10 feet from the building like people have no idea of the amount

01:19:05.680 of heat power and resources these things use and so he he was he had this great idea i'm gonna

01:19:12.120 build a shipping container into a crypto mine got a 40 foot shipping container the problem was he's

01:19:18.180 not able to find he hasn't been able to find anywhere with just even one megawatt of power

01:19:24.040 available in like years he's been looking and he understands electricity obviously yeah and it's

01:19:32.000 and it's interesting like like there's just no way these data centers can survive i've watched

01:19:38.540 the same thing with the crypto mines like crypto would go up people lease a building you know pay

01:19:44.500 electricians to come in pay them like five hundred thousand dollars you're talking computers that run

01:19:49.560 on 220 each one requires

01:19:51.380 its own 40 amp breaker 50

01:19:53.420 amp breaker like the same

01:19:55.400 power that your dryer uses

01:19:57.000 yes this is not like your laptop

01:19:59.540 no no this is

01:20:01.240 40 amps 220 volts

01:20:02.960 yeah

01:20:03.660 like these are it's just serious

01:20:07.480 serious and that's just one

01:20:09.220 so every single one has to have

01:20:11.260 its own outlet every single one has to have

01:20:13.180 its dedicated circuit

01:20:14.260 and they pencil all this out

01:20:16.940 well then all of a sudden

01:20:18.380 electricity would go up by one cent per kilowatt hour and crypto would fall in price

01:20:25.620 and lo and behold the crypto mine's done because one month later you're operating in the red and

01:20:33.700 you can't you can't pay a sixty thousand dollar electric bill and so at that point my buddy would

01:20:40.340 go over and buy up the crypto machines for pennies on the dollar and he just slowly put his shit

01:20:46.200 together all by himself wired did all his own wiring taught himself electrical you know wow

01:20:52.680 like as people could do i don't know if people know this but there's more than cat videos and

01:20:57.760 porn on the internet you can learn quite a bit oh i have yeah a lot yeah i mean almost anything

01:21:04.080 because there are literally anything there are i mean this refers back to the opening of this

01:21:09.100 conversation, but there are so many high intelligence, high skilled people in this

01:21:16.200 country, you know, fewer than we need, fewer than we used to have, but they still, we are one of

01:21:20.920 them and they still exist. And I know a bunch of them and they're totally excluded from high

01:21:26.320 income professions. No, you are immediately pushed out. Of course. Immediately. Of course. So, but

01:21:32.700 they still exist and they have access to YouTube and, and some of them, I mean, it's incredible.

01:21:38.140 the intelligence of some people posting on YouTube

01:21:40.140 from some little town,

01:21:41.900 the guy's making 80 grand a year,

01:21:43.500 but he understands this thing

01:21:45.180 better than anyone in New York City.

01:21:46.880 It's, and that's real.

01:21:47.880 I'm not, it's not like a sentimental sop

01:21:49.840 to like rural America is still impressive.

01:21:51.640 That's a real thing.

01:21:52.860 Yes.

01:21:53.500 I mean, I'm telling you,

01:21:54.860 you obviously you're living this,

01:21:56.260 but no, but it's just so interesting.

01:21:59.000 What do you think of the whole,

01:22:00.480 I'm not attacking your friend

01:22:01.740 who sounds like an amazing and enterprising person,

01:22:04.780 but like the idea that you'd be taking that much power

01:22:07.320 which is like the juice of life and using it not to produce something but to run

01:22:16.100 calculations that some mysterious dead guy satoshi gave you to create really nothing

01:22:22.420 well that's the wild shit dude so like i was we talk about it all the time because like it's just

01:22:30.120 it's insane to watch these people claim they're putting up a gigawatt data center and it's like

01:22:38.680 how are you even bringing in that much power like where are you getting that copper wire

01:22:43.460 how are you like you so then they put up generators or whatnot but my buddy hasn't

01:22:48.980 had his own crypto miners running since october it doesn't pencil he's turned them all off

01:22:54.420 really yeah because the price of bitcoin doesn't justify the price of electricity

01:23:01.380 you got it yeah that's even i can understand that calculation yeah and i mean so like you could float

01:23:08.640 it right and at some points he did when it would be down a little of course but now it's just

01:23:13.940 completely went into the toilet and the hash rate has gone through the roof the hash rate

01:23:18.260 is how hard the computers have to work.

01:23:20.800 The more computers that are mining Bitcoin,

01:23:23.820 the difficulty goes up.

01:23:25.940 And the difficulty is at an all-time high

01:23:28.400 and the price is at an all-time low.

01:23:36.200 But it's also like,

01:23:38.000 if you take even further,

01:23:40.340 broader perspective on it,

01:23:41.560 it's like a nation of hamster wheels, kind of.

01:23:45.960 Yeah, well, I think that's what the data center,

01:23:47.660 the data centers are mining Bitcoin.

01:23:50.980 Yeah.

01:23:51.780 And they're running crypto through these data centers.

01:23:54.700 And powering software that lies to you.

01:23:57.660 So it's all kind of Sisyphean,

01:23:59.540 like you're actually not producing anything,

01:24:01.700 just the opposite.

01:24:02.600 You're wasting your most precious resource,

01:24:05.260 which is energy.

01:24:06.220 Yeah.

01:24:06.840 In the service of-

01:24:08.140 For an intangible idea.

01:24:09.780 Creating air.

01:24:10.920 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:12.060 Yeah.

01:24:12.800 If you're growing soybeans,

01:24:14.200 whatever you think of soybeans,

01:24:15.080 it's like, well, okay,

01:24:15.800 you could eat soybeans or feed them to your cattle

01:24:17.400 or whatever but this is literally an entire society this is our most important industry

01:24:23.380 right now is ai yeah number one and it's in the end nothing there's nothing there no there it's

01:24:30.260 what can it even do everybody i talk to it's been so funny like the last time i talked to

01:24:36.640 like an hvac a guy in hvac i was like use ai he's like yeah i go how often is it right

01:24:41.980 oh rarely ever

01:24:43.500 and I'm like

01:24:45.980 what the fuck

01:24:46.800 you use it

01:24:47.720 well it can do

01:24:48.280 simple math

01:24:48.980 faster than I can

01:24:50.140 but like

01:24:51.080 if you ask it

01:24:51.760 to calculate

01:24:52.300 like oh

01:24:53.020 what ton AC unit

01:24:54.600 do I need

01:24:55.260 for this

01:24:55.780 like it gets it wrong

01:24:57.220 no way

01:24:58.860 I was

01:24:59.720 I was surprised

01:25:00.580 by that too

01:25:01.200 I am surprised too

01:25:01.820 because that's a

01:25:02.340 knowable thing

01:25:03.160 that's not subjective

01:25:04.340 right

01:25:05.000 there are standards

01:25:05.680 in place

01:25:06.260 which you can look up

01:25:07.220 I mean

01:25:07.780 you could look them up

01:25:08.600 you probably have

01:25:09.120 looked them up

01:25:09.600 yeah

01:25:10.040 this is so how how if it has access to all that because it it has it's it's trained to lie

01:25:17.060 there's no other explanation for it if it's a computer program that's like designed to operate

01:25:24.000 by certain parameters then it has to have been programmed to lie and deceive

01:25:28.640 oh so it's self-protection what other answer there is there for it and then so like how do

01:25:37.400 they see that working out? Where do they see that coming to? What conclusion? That's what I'm most

01:25:44.580 confused about. Do these people constructing all this not realize that they have to eat food and

01:25:52.940 drink water? Does that not come into their equation? Are they different? Maybe they're not

01:25:58.120 human. They don't appear to be human. Maybe they don't eat and drink water. So how does this end?

01:26:03.660 probably not well i mean it ends where it began which is with reality right

01:26:10.080 like the need so just like rome 476 right yeah probably had something back to like that

01:26:18.680 large population crash you can't you can't have access create your own food understand how to get

01:26:27.860 clean water you might you might be kind of your business degree probably not gonna do you too

01:26:35.060 yeah so you said your grandfather didn't even notice the great depression

01:26:39.460 yeah do you expect that you will notice when things really go sideways

01:26:44.740 i'll notice will my life change probably i don't know i expect it'll probably get better

01:26:53.140 how well i won't have all these idiots burning the world down around me

01:26:59.440 right yes try to look at the silver lining of things i totally agree yeah just because things

01:27:06.400 are getting worse doesn't mean that they're uniformly worse worse for everyone there are

01:27:11.260 compensatory things that happen like covid how did you enjoy covid i did enjoy covid oddly enough

01:27:17.900 a lot when i look back on it i i kind of i saw that for what it was almost immediately

01:27:23.960 and i had been saving to build a house and i was like we're all gonna be here and and me and

01:27:33.800 my family with some assistance from some friends here and then we built built my house during

01:27:39.440 covet yeah yeah right before and i just by the stroke of luck i just bought all the materials

01:27:46.120 like almost immediately before shit went batshit crazy and prices and yeah just set to work yeah

01:27:54.020 huh tore down the old house built a foundation stacked up some shipping containers and

01:27:59.540 yeah shipping containers shipping containers how many five yeah double stacked walls

01:28:09.760 seam welded concrete piers you welded all the seams of five shipping containers yeah i'm a

01:28:17.120 welder not a carpenter i think jesus would have been a welder if he was alive today you think so

01:28:21.680 why it lasts longer yeah yeah i think jesus was into permanence as well how long did it take you

01:28:28.580 to to weld the seams of five shipping containers oh my god more than a month yeah yeah i burned

01:28:37.540 i burned a lot of wire yeah i don't even remember at one point i was keeping track it was like

01:28:46.100 50 pounds of wire something like that maybe 60 just in four six weeks yeah seam welding everything

01:28:55.860 together yeah the whole thing and then all the structure inside stairs so you live in a part

01:29:02.340 of the country with tornadoes what would happen if a tornado hit your house

01:29:05.300 I'd like to find out

01:29:07.460 I think I'd be good up to an F4

01:29:09.580 I don't

01:29:12.560 I have no qualms

01:29:15.900 that the containers will stay in place

01:29:17.920 through an F5

01:29:18.860 some of the roof panels might

01:29:21.900 come off

01:29:22.480 but you know

01:29:25.140 there's no move in that structure

01:29:26.480 it's welded straight down to the foundations

01:29:28.960 how hard is welding?

01:29:35.300 Just like any skilled thing, it's 10% knowledge and 90% practice.

01:29:41.780 It's not hard to learn, but it takes a lot of practice.

01:29:45.500 Just like any skilled thing, you have to do it for a good solid, what,

01:29:51.360 thousand hours before you become proficient at it?

01:29:54.160 Yes.

01:29:54.600 Like nobody steps into anything.

01:29:56.960 Nobody was good at motorboating titties their first time.

01:30:00.640 But you stuck with it.

01:30:02.080 Yeah, exactly.

01:30:02.520 And you got better.

01:30:03.540 Yeah.

01:30:03.880 Yeah.

01:30:05.300 i'm not going to comment on that um so we we look backward to our ancestors

01:30:12.000 with awe because they you know they learn skills like that through persistence yeah look at the

01:30:18.660 people used to build things out of stone and steel that lasted centuries and generations

01:30:25.380 and people look at it now and i feel like i feel like if you grab some kid with an engineering and

01:30:32.860 architectural degree i don't think they could build any of that no i mean they have trouble

01:30:38.840 putting together a stick building built from pine two by fours yes and making it anything straight

01:30:46.280 or square i don't think i've seen a straight or square house and since 2020 shit has really gone

01:30:52.980 downhill really oh my god i mean i i've heard a lot of people say even like do not buy a house

01:31:00.840 built after 2020 i couldn't imagine they could get worse yeah it's that's a that's kind of a

01:31:08.860 new perspective because i've always been interested in in ancient history and as everybody who ever

01:31:16.200 looks at the egyptian culture the best work of the egyptians is the oldest the old kingdom created

01:31:24.040 the pyramids and flawless polygonal megalithic construction with stones that weighed in excess

01:31:32.400 of 10 tons 20 tons 30 tons 40 50 tons and it seems the longer the civilization went on the

01:31:40.200 farther the art degraded the smaller blocks they used the rougher they were and then they end up

01:31:45.960 sticking together mud bricks in the end how does that work where we with our modern building

01:31:51.920 materials on that continuum there was somewhere around mud bricks it feels like you know how long

01:31:58.240 does a stick house last you know stick two by fours yeah wood like people used to build their

01:32:05.980 homes out of brick nobody ever we have lost touch with the three little pigs tell me you familiar

01:32:14.120 with the three little pigs right like i don't think that's the story that's told the children

01:32:18.580 anymore not enough will you summarize it not enough you grok it for me can i grok it for you

01:32:23.940 i don't i don't think grok would get it right they'd be like all three pigs lived a great life

01:32:28.380 i don't know what you're talking about he lived in a fucking straw hut what's the problem with that

01:32:33.100 he had a great female firefighter she was right there every time made sure his house didn't burn

01:32:40.540 down no the first pig built his house out of straw and the big bad wolf came up blew on it it fell

01:32:47.580 over and that little piggy had to run away and he had to run to his brother's house and his second

01:32:52.920 brother he built his house out of sticks he was like oh that hay idea that didn't work out well

01:32:57.940 for you i'll use sticks and the big bad wolf come along probably well three letter agency i if i had

01:33:05.980 to guess probably worked for somewhere in that he's probably nsa and uh he blew on that house

01:33:11.960 and the sticks fell down and both those two little pigs were like god this this is this is not working

01:33:17.500 out so they ran to their third brother's house who had built his house out of bricks and when

01:33:23.340 the fed showed up to his house he didn't answer the door and he gave him the finger and then i

01:33:28.060 think he sent some rounds down range and the big bad wolf was just kind of like yeah i think i'm

01:33:32.720 not gonna fuck with that guy because he's put some thought into things and so we'll just kind

01:33:37.740 of leave him alone i think that's how it went is that how it went i would how i remember i would

01:33:44.500 i would say that's exactly how it went and i i haven't checked this i haven't grokked it but i

01:33:50.260 suspect that that nursery tale is no longer told to children all the nursery rhymes need to be

01:33:57.220 brought back and told to everybody hansel and gretel or rumple stiltskin how is rumple stiltskin

01:34:06.020 not like the perfect allegory for everything we are dealing with right now creating wealth from

01:34:12.820 nothing and only wanting to eat your children in return and then when you call it out for what it

01:34:20.140 is they stop their feet and scream and call you names does it say that hmm yeah you're familiar

01:34:28.820 with Rumpelstiltskin right yeah but not it's been 50 years at least once you acknowledge

01:34:34.740 this reality for what it is and name him,

01:34:40.140 pounds his feet, throws a fit,

01:34:41.800 and then disappears back into the shadows

01:34:44.740 from whence he has crawled.

01:34:47.940 Wow, that's definitely banned.

01:34:51.260 Yeah, but I mean, look at that lost information, right?

01:34:56.400 That lost lesson.

01:34:58.660 You would think that probably should be taught

01:35:01.320 in every elementary school in the country,

01:35:03.660 probably be handy it'd be good good to know that yeah might not work out for getting everybody into

01:35:09.940 those high interest debt loans though no probably not yeah were you on debt i have none none yeah

01:35:17.440 yeah in college i could not pass college algebra because i could not understand why we were putting

01:35:26.280 letters into numbers in math that didn't make any logical sense to me and i could not get anybody to

01:35:32.140 explain to me how that was ever going to be useful to me. So I continually got into arguments with

01:35:37.400 algebra teachers who thought they were smart, who I found to be very lacking in intelligence.

01:35:43.280 So I ended up in a class called finite math that they had hidden from us that like,

01:35:49.520 it was just, I got drunk with the lady who signs you up for classes like early on in college,

01:35:56.280 right at a party and we became friends and so i never had an advisor and i would just whatever

01:36:04.980 classes i wanted to take i'd walk into her office i was like hey sign me up for these classes she

01:36:08.900 was like no problem yeah so like when i came time to graduate and like i finally had to sit down

01:36:18.100 with like whatever admissions person they were like how the fuck they were like you've taken none

01:36:23.440 of these freshman classes I was like yeah they suck and they're stupid I was like algebra's dumb

01:36:28.540 I don't need to know algebra I'm an art major like I want to build cool shit like I took western

01:36:34.720 civs I and and archaeology classes and history classes because that's that's what I wanted to

01:36:41.980 learn about and I I feel like it served me pretty well but then I had to take a math class so they

01:36:47.160 this woman was like you ever thought about finite math like here it's on the list and it's got the

01:36:52.400 same credits and accounts. I was like, let's do it. Holy shit. You know why they don't want you

01:36:57.800 taking finite math? Because it explains to you how much you will pay on any loan for interest

01:37:04.600 and how fast you could pay off a loan if you just pay $50 more. That's all it was. I think I made it

01:37:10.100 through a week of the class before I cut up all my credit cards and was like, oh, I am never doing

01:37:15.120 that ever ever ever ever under no circumstances will i ever take out a loan and pay twice the

01:37:22.880 value of anything it just it made absolutely no sense to me so yeah why does algebra put

01:37:33.020 letters into numbers i think just to fuck with you so you deal with math in your job every day

01:37:41.780 You've already, I think, demonstrated your grasp of math is high.

01:37:47.740 I mean, functional math.

01:37:50.080 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:37:51.620 Well, if you can build a wood-fired kiln, you understand math.

01:37:57.820 But you didn't add letters to numbers in the process of doing that.

01:38:02.400 That's the weirdest thing.

01:38:03.680 Nowhere did I find any letters in my math to calculate the size and structural integrity of a cantonary arch.

01:38:10.740 Isn't that weird?

01:38:11.780 Oh, that was weird because everybody, every math teacher was always like, you need to know some

01:38:16.660 algebra. I've yet to encounter a single person in my life that uses algebra. Actually, have you?

01:38:25.300 So like you, but you would know. Yeah, but I mean, I live in a fake world.

01:38:31.300 That's why you use fake math with letters. Congratulations to everybody out there in

01:38:36.620 the matrix good job you're good little goy slaves oh that's amazing so you you didn't get an answer

01:38:44.000 because i've never considered this by the way it never even entered my mind i was too dyslexic to

01:38:48.300 take any math so i got a pass on math but um or the whatever they said i didn't have to take math

01:38:53.920 so i never took math but i didn't get to the point i wasn't reflective or open-minded enough to ask

01:38:59.440 the obvious question why are there letters and nobody took that question seriously yeah i mean

01:39:04.960 they took it seriously they were like there's the door get the fuck out of here

01:39:07.820 and i was like awesome happy to it's like i haven't found any of this intellectually stimulating

01:39:17.380 or anywhere useful where i could see any tangible benefit to this information

01:39:22.960 so why the fuck would i sit here

01:39:25.180 what's the matrix this world that is constructed around us mortgages

01:39:35.100 loans for cars that aren't worth $30,000

01:39:39.180 that somehow costs $150,000.

01:39:44.500 Insurance, the scam of life.

01:39:48.280 Why is insurance a scam?

01:39:50.280 How can it not be?

01:39:52.040 I don't have it, so I agree with you,

01:39:53.860 but I just like to hear you explain it.

01:39:55.000 What was that?

01:39:57.480 United Healthcare, right?

01:39:58.920 That's the dude that got whacked, right?

01:40:00.740 The vice guy?

01:40:02.400 Yeah.

01:40:02.640 like did they not just post like quarterly profits in the in like the multiple billions of dollars

01:40:11.780 i mean that doesn't that doesn't give it away for anybody like who was every time i hear somebody

01:40:20.080 like their house gets fucked up and the insurance people come out yeah we're not covering that well

01:40:23.840 then what the fuck did you pay for it for exactly like okay let's do the math how much did you pay

01:40:29.140 the insurance company in the last 10 years, and they'll be like, oh, something around $25,000.

01:40:34.660 What does it cost to put the roof on your house? Oh, about, you know, $5,000. Why the fuck are you

01:40:40.660 paying for insurance? Why not not pay them $30,000? Save up your own money. Be responsible

01:40:47.160 for yourself. Here's an even wilder idea. Get your ass up on the roof and put some shingles down.

01:40:53.920 If Juan can fucking shingle your roof and you can't figure it out,

01:40:58.360 then you're dumber than Juan.

01:41:01.240 Fair, fair.

01:41:02.740 Is that not an honest?

01:41:03.960 There's a shorter answer to your question.

01:41:05.380 I've actually dealt with this, and as I said,

01:41:08.820 I don't have the insurance you're referring to for exactly that reason.

01:41:13.820 It doesn't make any sense.

01:41:14.780 I know what a roof costs to put on a shingle,

01:41:17.220 especially an asphalt shingle roof is pretty cheap, really.

01:41:20.040 So, like, what are you doing?

01:41:20.840 and i've lived by that for many years and it works but the reason that most people don't

01:41:26.100 is because you're required to get insurance once you take a mortgage out well there you go yeah

01:41:31.760 is the basis of all slavery once you remove yourself in debt there is no or else over your

01:41:38.120 head right they use the debt over your head for every that is the or else right that's how they

01:41:47.620 silence people at their job oh i can't speak up about the evil shit my company's doing or i might

01:41:52.840 lose my job and then i won't be able to pay for my home that i don't own and drive the car that i

01:41:57.900 don't own but if you simply just own your shit and he doesn't have to be nice shit right you get a

01:42:04.920 five thousand dollar shitbox car it'll do everything that a brand new lincoln will do

01:42:10.480 except it won't talk back to you and rat you out to the fucking feds so fair kind of sounds like

01:42:16.740 the $5,000 shitbox might be a better idea.

01:42:20.380 So if you were running this scam on an entire population,

01:42:25.400 the first thing you would do is convince them

01:42:26.960 they have to have the Lincoln instead of the Nova.

01:42:30.020 Yeah, I guess.

01:42:31.340 You'd have to excite in people a desire

01:42:33.740 for things they don't need.

01:42:35.940 How does that work?

01:42:36.740 I don't understand.

01:42:37.640 It's never worked on me.

01:42:38.940 Well, you grew up on a farm in South Dakota,

01:42:40.640 so it's like that's the opposite of the culture

01:42:42.320 that you're from.

01:42:43.140 But if you're floating around America at large,

01:42:45.560 you're bombarded continuously by incitement to want things that aren't good for you and actually

01:42:51.140 aren't the desires of your heart you don't really want these things yeah but you're convinced through

01:42:56.040 this very sophisticated omnipresent propaganda operation being run against you by retailers

01:43:01.420 yeah that you like you got to have this guy you got to have that you have to have it that's the

01:43:06.940 measure of happiness you're laughing but that's true don't you think i mean that's what they say

01:43:12.960 i i laugh because i've always found it hilarious i look at these people that follow all those

01:43:19.940 all those uh checkpoints down that list and then ask them how happy they are or how fulfilled they

01:43:28.000 feel in their life do their kids like them does their wife like them exactly does anybody see them

01:43:35.760 as necessary or valuable people in their lives i don't think so who are the happiest people you know

01:43:47.680 people who work for themselves people with no debt people who make their own decisions in

01:43:57.460 their life people whose time is their own people who can drop everything and go help their kid

01:44:05.700 as soon as they need it or any of their friends that's the people that i've surrounded myself

01:44:12.820 with though there's people that will come and help you dig a hole or do hard manual labor or sweat

01:44:20.580 yeah yeah people you can call yeah won't go any farther than that dig a hole i want to ask why

01:44:32.960 digging holes um how is this savable this civilization i don't think so it's already

01:44:47.280 too far down the decline something new has to be built at some point you get to an old structure

01:44:55.760 you know equate it to construction and you find a house at some point it just

01:44:59.520 it just it's better to just be burned to the ground the sills are rotted and yeah done maybe

01:45:04.800 the design was right right you could re you could rebuild the same house back under the same

01:45:10.000 principles but once termites have gotten into it and eaten out its bones and sold it off to

01:45:18.400 foreign interests you know what are you going to do with that nothing light it on fire

01:45:24.720 do you think there are enough people remaining in the country to rebuild a

01:45:29.880 civilization worth living in easily easily look at what humans have recovered from

01:45:36.880 yeah made it through the younger dryas made it through the ice age

01:45:40.460 yeah made it through the mongol hordes

01:45:44.820 yeah and always came out better the other end so you're not worried in some deep way then

01:45:54.720 i feel bad for people that don't see it i feel bad for the people who are sleepwalking into

01:46:03.660 their own extermination

01:46:08.180 but there is some level of me that will enjoy it right karma's a bitch there's nothing better

01:46:19.480 than watching karma getting handed out to people that deserve it. It's the one saving grace in

01:46:26.500 this world. This world is nothing of what they've told us it is. It's in fact, it's the exact

01:46:31.020 opposite, right? Like evil deeds are punished. Evil people are punished. Their lives suck.

01:46:38.460 They don't have any happiness or joy in them, right? They have nobody to love. Nobody holds

01:46:44.680 them at night nobody tells them they've done a good job and means it i suppose yes in any

01:46:50.680 meaningful way i'm sure plenty of people have some sycophants that lie to them yeah but i doubt that

01:46:59.780 i doubt that brings any warmth to anyone's soul at the end of the day that's right

01:47:04.460 you wouldn't want to be larry fink that you're in hell

01:47:07.880 i don't know how you could point to anybody with a billion dollars and be like oh they could be a

01:47:15.540 good person like no the only way you accumulate that much wealth is be by being an evil piece

01:47:21.480 of shit that has exploited other human beings it's the only way it happens yes it is it's just

01:47:27.200 and that's been a steady norm all throughout history like gaius crassus was not a great dude

01:47:34.860 no no not at all so were you fooled by trump

01:47:41.740 i did support him and i i go back and forth on whether or not i was fooled i don't think i was

01:47:51.860 fooled something happened to him he he he turned his back on us he became something else

01:48:01.720 i mean unless he's not he just can't be that good of an actor he doesn't seem to be otherwise he

01:48:08.780 could sell the lies now a hell of a lot better than he's selling them no that's a great point

01:48:13.220 right like so no he was he was being honest in the beginning he was saying the true things

01:48:19.020 you know deport all these people save our country all the things that were obviously wrong he was

01:48:25.520 pointing them out and then just like a light switch he was like no no i never said any of that

01:48:31.200 yeah actually actually lindsey graham's a great guy yeah he's totally straight loves peace

01:48:38.180 what these people all hated him these were everything we voted against he surrounded

01:48:45.960 himself and just is rolling around in it with everybody that hated him

01:48:51.420 and tried to destroy him and then somehow convinced him to destroy himself

01:48:57.560 that's exactly right and nicely put they convinced him to destroy himself

01:49:03.880 and us how do you think that what do you what i mean how do you explain that

01:49:10.240 oh dude that's gonna take somebody far more intelligent than some fucking potter from south

01:49:17.240 dakota i can't explain that i can't explain why anybody would do that but i can't explain the

01:49:23.380 motivations of the majority of America. None of it has ever made sense to me. I don't understand

01:49:31.380 how you sleep owing anybody $5. I can't imagine being in debt to anybody. It just, it bothers me.

01:49:43.040 It bothers me. Even when somebody does something nice for me or gives me something,

01:49:49.720 I have to return that to them.

01:49:52.440 Of course.

01:49:53.320 You know?

01:49:54.660 And so.

01:49:56.820 It's pretty clear in the New Testament too.

01:49:58.720 I don't, they kept this from me in church as a kid

01:50:00.780 to the extent I went.

01:50:02.540 But don't owe anybody anything.

01:50:04.400 Paul says that.

01:50:05.200 Don't be in debt.

01:50:07.860 Yeah, no.

01:50:09.520 How much better would the world be

01:50:11.440 if like elementary school just taught the Bible?

01:50:15.200 And not even in a religious way,

01:50:17.620 but just for those lessons.

01:50:19.300 yes

01:50:19.960 like

01:50:21.720 that's why

01:50:22.700 that has been

01:50:23.660 so

01:50:27.540 applicable

01:50:31.520 to everybody's lives

01:50:32.820 for 2,000 years

01:50:34.000 right

01:50:34.380 yes

01:50:35.260 it's because

01:50:36.740 it is

01:50:37.940 true

01:50:39.100 information

01:50:40.040 and good advice

01:50:41.280 and

01:50:43.000 yeah

01:50:43.620 of all the times

01:50:46.220 I went to church

01:50:46.960 as younger

01:50:47.540 like

01:50:48.680 I

01:50:49.300 I was, I thought about this later and I was like, why don't they just start at the beginning

01:50:53.760 and just read the thing all the way to the end? Like you go to church on a Sunday and you start

01:51:00.440 on January 1st and you just start at the beginning and he just reads the thing. Well, because then

01:51:05.080 you, if you read the whole Bible, you wouldn't be going to church, would you? You'd be like,

01:51:10.020 Hey, uh, teacher, uh, Jesus said there that I shouldn't be giving you any money to talk to his

01:51:16.140 dad and then I'm supposed to walk up there and flip

01:51:18.120 your tables over and take my money back

01:51:19.860 what do you have to say about that

01:51:22.000 it's kind of like AI

01:51:25.480 you need to get the fuck out of this class sir

01:51:28.200 so you don't need the

01:51:34.220 promotion and you probably

01:51:36.380 don't even want the work but I just can't

01:51:38.640 resist by ending on the question

01:51:40.180 of the art that you make

01:51:41.920 so how do people get it

01:51:44.320 if they want it

01:51:46.140 find me yeah i'm gonna make you work for it comes with an iq test i'm not that difficult to find

01:51:56.160 no you're not no i'm my phone number's on the internet so is mine unfortunately how many other

01:52:05.860 artists do you know like actual artists real artists that make a living making art one one

01:52:13.960 one yeah that i went to school with masahiro wadayama my japanese buddy where's he live

01:52:22.600 okina osaka oh wow yeah yeah he came to south dakota we didn't even meet in art class he came

01:52:30.120 to south dakota his dad sent him over here because his dad liked cowboys yeah and he thought he

01:52:35.500 should he thought he should learn english and it's the most ridiculous thing to come to south dakota

01:52:40.260 to learn pottery from the culture that has literally kept the ancient knowledge of pottery

01:52:47.320 alive throughout modern ages like the only reason i know what wood kilns are is because japan

01:52:54.880 preserved that information really yeah how many wood kilns in the united states would you say

01:53:03.020 i don't even i don't even know not many though maybe not maybe more than i might think there are

01:53:11.340 because by nature potters don't like this world i don't think at least the ones i know

01:53:20.960 you know we toil hard you work hard to be a potter and the reward and gratitude is low

01:53:29.260 low yeah i think i should probably carve more into pots about what worthless leaders we have

01:53:41.080 so that when somebody digs them up in a thousand years they can know that

01:53:45.060 what a piece of shit trump's become yeah gotcha motherfucker

01:53:50.080 the artist known as jess thank you very much thank you tucker

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 07, 2026

The Dark Forces Destroying Art, Beauty and Robbing You of Your God-Given Creativity

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