The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker and Mike Cernovich on Nicolas Maduro’s Capture, Charlie Kirk’s Murder, and Battling Demons

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00:00:29.340 life insurance company thank you mike for doing this so what do you think of the apprehension of

00:00:39.580 nicolas maduro i'm i'm dealing with a lot of because i spent a lot of time online which you don't and i

00:00:46.540 think there's pros and cons to each for sure and the the pro is that you're really plugged in the con is

00:00:54.300 that if you read the comments which i do you really take a lashing every day like i just a lot because

00:01:00.820 you can't by by virtue of taking a position you just get lashed by one side or the other heard that so

00:01:07.380 now apparently i'm a neocon again i'm a neocon which is bizarre because i was pro the the raid on maduro

00:01:14.040 and people say well therefore you're a neocon and the answer you're not a neocon which is so that's

00:01:18.920 why it's interesting that you were in favor of course but if you're if you're online yeah of course but

00:01:22.340 if you're online you're whatever the most extreme that's what they call you and no i'm not i'm not

00:01:26.780 and i'm not an interventionist either but there's a i feel like we're always stuck between this false

00:01:33.800 dialectic of you either do nothing or boots on the ground we need full marine battalions to take the

00:01:40.220 beachheads whereas i've always been approach i've always been a fan of the trump approach which is use

00:01:45.400 delta we have these guys do targeted strikes remind the world that the usa is still a world power

00:01:51.080 even though we might not feel that way and exercise our might for for a good purpose so people

00:01:58.760 say well this is iraq or afghanistan again and i go the people of venezuela are not the people have

00:02:04.340 they're not the same people right as afghanistan it's a different people we've had special forces

00:02:09.200 there for three four decades we've had business interests there for decades the people of venezuela

00:02:16.020 voted out maduro or tried to and they couldn't get rid of them so we went in and we got rid of

00:02:21.140 them so obviously i oppose escalation and whatever but the parade of horrors especially after so mania

00:02:28.080 just hasn't happened yet and that's because i've talked a lot of special operations guys during the

00:02:34.800 trump admin and his the way his approach differed and this was covered a little bit in the media but

00:02:41.400 not enough is under obama they just didn't let the d boys and them run missions they everything had to

00:02:48.520 get approval and work up the chain and by the time it happened they didn't have their targets

00:02:51.620 and the trump approach was we we have these people they're trained the the the level of the missions

00:02:58.940 that they can accomplish which we saw on video is unbelievable right he lets them he lets them do the

00:03:05.200 missions they do the targeted strikes i've i've always been supportive of that yeah um i don't

00:03:12.460 know if i mean i've got a double stack staccato nine in my bedside drawer i've never used it i don't feel

00:03:16.640 the need to use it but i mean just because like but no i well i'll just tell you what i'm grateful for

00:03:23.460 and i'm grateful for the wisdom of not taking out the entire government not because i support the

00:03:30.200 government but because you know we have clear models in iraq and libya and a lot of syria

00:03:35.380 like it can be very hard to put those things back together again and the fact that they appear to be

00:03:41.700 backing delsey rodriguez not because they love her but because they're in favor of stability over chaos

00:03:46.400 and her brother and they're kind of you know keeping the structure in place but making sure it's pro-american

00:03:53.920 that seems like a much wiser approach that makes me calm down a little bit right yeah the the problem

00:04:02.060 that everybody the neoliberal and even some people on the right have is they don't understand that you

00:04:09.700 needed a strong man like saddam hussein to keep all these religious sex together and it's obviously

00:04:14.520 it's obvious in hindsight right but at the time people either didn't know and in my opinion they

00:04:19.800 didn't know i think that's people people were just generally clueless like i remember i spent time

00:04:24.220 with my wife in vietnam and you'd roam around all over the place and i remember we did the tours of

00:04:29.760 the caves and all i could think of was the tunnels not even the tunnels yet just the caves and the jungle

00:04:37.660 and all i could think of was i can't even fit in through here what in the world are we doing

00:04:42.520 sending 18 year old corn fed boys and black guys into the vietnam jungles because if anybody

00:04:48.760 had done any kind of advanced recon you would just say our guys are too big for the territory

00:04:53.220 you would literally just go through there's there's just a lot to be said for looking at the real estate

00:04:58.560 right and you would walk through and forget the tunnel rats and all the other ways that they were

00:05:03.380 buried in you would just say there's no way we can send our people out here this is just a completely

00:05:07.700 different area and then vietnam people have always tried to conquer them for thousands of years and

00:05:14.120 they actually take pride not being conquered and the foreign policy elite of course just said well

00:05:18.780 we're going to do vietnam and it was the same thing with iraq and libya oh all people are the same

00:05:23.860 everybody's the same right we'll just remove salam hussein and everything will be fine then of course

00:05:28.620 you have a mess but with venezuela and latin america they're they're just pretty much like us

00:05:35.400 it's a little bit of different culture but they've been influenced by the europeans they've been

00:05:40.100 influenced by catholic church they're running a like similar operating system you can communicate

00:05:46.880 to them in sort of like a shared language so even though people have doctrinal debates and everybody

00:05:52.200 wants debates religion and what's the truth which to me is like the most boring thing in the world

00:05:56.160 like if somebody's a christian and i'm a christian you're gonna maybe disagree about can you drink

00:06:02.520 can you do this right what is this but you're still in the same language right you're still able to

00:06:09.000 you're still like close enough that you can you share a framework like you can understand what

00:06:13.780 someone's saying yeah we didn't share a framework middle east no which is a big problem so in

00:06:18.100 venezuela it's a different it's a different situation and i also like that the air defense

00:06:24.840 was completely disabled even in the iran strike that happened a few months ago we disabled their

00:06:30.760 air system we sent a message and i think we need to send a message the i'm sounding like a neocon

00:06:36.400 that's why i hate that neocon i hate that neocons ruined it for all of us i hate that neocons

00:06:41.660 ruined the discussion where you can't just talk about how it's good to have military might

00:06:47.200 it's good to remind the world that we exist and that we can do these things we being the united

00:06:51.920 states of america it's good to remind people that we're still running the tables but you talk like

00:06:58.080 that and you sound again like you does it belong at the weekly standard or something well i mean you

00:07:03.720 still have a chance to pivot against the neocons because the bb people literally bb's office is

00:07:09.520 pushing for mcm this machado lady the the gay marriage lady the klaus schwab accolite um who is

00:07:17.920 supposed to be the nobel prize winner actually who's supposed to be the president and waiting

00:07:22.420 and trump has said flat out no she has no support we're not doing that but the neocons are pushing

00:07:28.340 for her they don't want uh the vice president to ascend to the presidency so you can say that's

00:07:34.420 crazy well i knew when she won the nobel peace prize i actually posted we're going to go into

00:07:38.940 venezuela yeah i i you can just check the receipt but not with her well no but the point is that's

00:07:44.420 how the table gets set you can all by now by now you can tell the future if you just know that they

00:07:49.720 always set the table a little bit beforehand and the minute she won the nobel peace prize and then

00:07:54.580 praise trump oh no thank you for this but and then she's immediately kind of schmoozing with trump

00:08:00.000 i go oh yeah we're going into venezuela i don't need any inside i don't need any i don't need any

00:08:05.200 top secret sources that was all i needed to see so whoever we send i don't know i just send rubio

00:08:10.800 i i'm just i'm i'm where we went wrong and i've had this conversation with everybody from

00:08:16.960 line infantry guys to people who did the higher level stuff in afghanistan as they said we just didn't

00:08:22.440 want to rule the country we we went in and we won all the military engagements this is another

00:08:27.720 thing too why i'm glad the venezuela mission happened i was so i got so triggered man the way

00:08:34.940 that even people politically aligned with us would talk about the american fighting man

00:08:39.740 oh they they can't win a war they got beat by people who wear flip-flops and say no they didn't

00:08:45.000 we took almost no casualties in afghanistan and i think the last year we were there i'm not even

00:08:49.640 sure if there was a single casualty it was occupation that was lost and these are just

00:08:53.540 completely different things so i i think it's good to just remind people no that was all black

00:08:59.160 pill doomerism because of poor leadership by people like millie and biden and the woke generals and that

00:09:06.160 we we have a it's unreal we should take great pride in the people that we have in delta and seals and

00:09:13.840 special operations of course but i mean they're not making the policy decisions they're not that

00:09:18.140 they're the instruments of other people's decisions they they are but they it's a two-way

00:09:22.800 street these guys are not potted plants right of course not but i'm merely saying you can't hold

00:09:27.960 you know a man with a gun in his hand responsible for the decision to be there with a gun in his hand

00:09:34.140 like he was told to do that by someone in dc yeah yeah there with with i don't know i i think that

00:09:40.600 with i think that to have retention at these higher level these higher level units i think is

00:09:48.180 the dc people they obviously have an opinion but i think i think those guys get more of a vote than

00:09:53.120 we might give them credit for they obviously can't just say well i'm not gonna go do this

00:09:57.180 but they you know they have a these are strong-willed people like i've met enough of these guys

00:10:01.920 one they're extremely impressive it's just a different caliber of person and it's very humbling

00:10:08.380 because because i would say oh i couldn't do this you know maybe some aspect of it i could but i

00:10:12.280 couldn't i i don't have any um delusions that i would have been a squadron commander in delta force

00:10:18.420 or whatever these are unbelievably impressive people yeah they are so they're they're not just

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00:12:59.520 else does so if the administration pulls this off and the country remains intact and you know you don't

00:13:06.480 have various generals occupying oil fields and claiming them for their own you don't have a civil war

00:13:11.680 you don't have a migrant crisis that you know wrecks colombia or winds up here if venezuelans in the united

00:13:18.240 states return to venezuela immediately as i think they should be required to do like immediately

00:13:23.360 um venezuelan nationals then you know that that is amazing that will be amazing and i'm praying for

00:13:30.580 that yeah it's always good i mean it's always good to look what look at what victory looks like and

00:13:36.400 so you think this is victory no it's good to think what victory would look like yes this was this was

00:13:43.600 the first step i think it was a good step but victory looks like we install our person who is

00:13:52.000 aligned but you can't have a puppet because then every because remember with 2028 it's not guaranteed

00:13:57.400 so we have to think longer term too and you want to get a person who's aligned and is has their own

00:14:05.200 point of view but generally is going to do the right thing the people of venezuela that do they were

00:14:09.740 eating that i mean you're in florida you talk to anybody in florida they're thrilled that that

00:14:15.980 this happened that maduro is out of power a lot of these people they had their farms taken their land

00:14:20.140 taken see i don't care about that like you show up in our country you adopt our concerns and importing

00:14:26.420 your homeland's conflicts into my country and making those the basis of my foreign policy should

00:14:33.340 strip you your citizenship immediately like what i mean i don't know like i'm not advocating for

00:14:40.600 anything in sweden or great britain i mean i do you know what i mean like stop they were during

00:14:46.540 during world war one though that's what we the anglos who founded the country so i guess

00:14:51.180 they were allowed to do it but if you go back and read the debates around world war one a lot of it was

00:14:55.720 about well we should go back because that's the homeland and people are naturally going to do that which

00:15:00.100 is why jim which is why i support immigration moratorium everything but you i don't know i'm

00:15:06.080 i guess i'm more of a pragmatist and idealist we live in the world sort of as it is and florida used

00:15:11.140 to be a swing state it's deep red now venezuelans who come over are anti-communist we need anti-communist

00:15:17.300 miami anti like i'll give you an example so if i if i if you hold events i mean you're way too famous

00:15:25.240 at this point god help you is i mean that like sincerely like god help you um if you go to

00:15:32.820 miami and antifa or somebody showed up the cubans would just say what do you get out of here like

00:15:36.840 we're gonna well they did that during blm we're gonna like beat your asses miami had no meaningful

00:15:41.920 blm riots tampa did why because tampa is the only majority white city in florida that's why right so

00:15:48.540 it's just like pussy whites indulging that and the cubans and venezuelans who come in and live

00:15:53.860 under communism so i if i if i look at the whole picture sometimes it's good to get a little

00:15:58.620 injection of people who lit you know who lived under that because they're gonna they're gonna see it

00:16:04.600 not as an abstract philosophical gentlemanly debate about oh should we allow wealth confiscation and for

00:16:10.720 your homelands to be destroyed they see it as a fight for survival so i i get it i just it to take

00:16:16.860 the attention away from our country which as far as i'm concerned is not thriving doesn't seem to be

00:16:23.120 from driving around or there's some problems that need to be addressed big problems imminent problems

00:16:28.320 and i don't know to spend all your time worrying about cuba like i don't i love the cubans here

00:16:35.200 love them but how much money do you want to spend out of like your kids college fund on regime changing

00:16:41.880 cuba i i'm more of an imperialist i guess than you like where we live in rome the empires do and

00:16:50.020 empires do like i i just look what happened to rome and london well and i mean venice and every other

00:16:56.840 and the seat of every other empire rome rome lasted a long time it did till the fall of constantinople

00:17:02.320 which was well that now he's doing the holy roman empire okay you're you're adding a few centuries

00:17:08.920 on there just notice i remember it's a funny story actually i remember i was because i you know i'm

00:17:15.200 argumentative sometimes and i remember in my 20s i would always hear people say oh this is like the

00:17:21.340 fall of the the roman empire i was like i wonder what that means well this is all pre-internet too so

00:17:26.280 you couldn't just read read twitter all day and have people summarize it and so i bought gibbons

00:17:32.940 the decline of fall the roman empire all three volumes and the single most boring treatment ever

00:17:37.720 written it's very well written though and i just kept reading and reading and reading and reading

00:17:42.200 and reading and i think i got the abridged six volume whatever i made it through three of six

00:17:46.840 and i go there's a lot to rome i don't know if we could just say there's a singular point

00:17:51.620 i totally agree oh this is where it's just like the decline of fall so i'm more i'm more um

00:17:58.480 bolshevik piled on the time we're in like i think we're much more closer to the time of franco or the

00:18:05.940 time of the czar in russia and you know like mystery grove when he republished those books i read all

00:18:10.720 those and i did too i had no real under like the white i remember actually it was funny when you said uh

00:18:16.060 where's the white army and then all these websites try to say he's he was a nazi army and i was like

00:18:20.800 you historical literates it was the white army it was the people fighting the white army yeah yeah

00:18:25.460 no no but you realize how illiterate oh they thought that i meant like white pig that like the

00:18:29.300 david duke army or something yeah no i know i mean again no i know i remember and i was like

00:18:33.900 wow these people are just illiterate historic illiterates and no because you would send the

00:18:39.720 monologue like where's our white army and immediately it was like twitter was like lighting

00:18:43.540 up tucker carlson this is why i don't look at it that's yeah and spiriting and uh no but that's

00:18:49.240 really how illiterate people are and people who write for a living who should know better right

00:18:53.240 because i didn't know what the white army was until i was under lockdown on covid covid covid in a way was

00:18:59.900 the worst thing that happened to regime propaganda yes because everybody was locked in and we had all

00:19:06.340 these smart people who are just like posting things and you'd have these long threads and i go i

00:19:11.000 never general franco all i knew about general franco was he's a fascist right general franco was bad

00:19:15.360 um the republicans were good and that was my understanding of it uh cortez was bad the

00:19:20.980 conquistadors were evil men they were there were great wicked people okay that was that's what i

00:19:25.360 learned in school bullshit revolution i kind of had a sense that it happened and the communists won and

00:19:30.780 it wasn't good but i didn't realize the full evil right and then with covid you're like wait a minute

00:19:37.080 people just posting books i'm like well i guess i'll just keep reading you know i was reading like

00:19:40.800 three four books a week right and be like you realize oh no we're not living under the fall of

00:19:48.560 rome we're living under the time of the spanish civil war or the the bullshit revolution that's

00:19:54.380 what we're living under well i agree i agree with that and it's about it's spiritual war as both of

00:19:58.760 those were the french revolution same revolutions of 1848 same it's all the same so we need we need

00:20:04.940 the cubans and the venezuelans and the people who i agree i just want to focus on the united states to

00:20:09.360 keep it from becoming well that's it's yeah but it's like tied together so so let me okay so it

00:20:16.160 does since you read gibbon um and bless you for getting through that it took me almost a year to

00:20:21.560 read that whole thing because it's so tough but um it's a different it's a different writing style

00:20:26.380 it is a different writing style and it's but it's worth it so so when you read the older books

00:20:29.980 which is especially good as we get up there in the years there they have you know because i write

00:20:35.760 short punchy boom boom boom but then i have to remind myself you got to go back and read to where

00:20:40.360 you read a full paragraph and you're like wait a minute i need to actually pay attention to what

00:20:45.000 i'm reading the flow is a little bit different and it's a much denser kind of writing and a book

00:20:50.800 length idea can be fully formed right but okay but since you're interested in rome there was this

00:20:57.760 pit i mean the pivot really was not the fall of rome that was the end and you're you're giving

00:21:02.360 istanbul credit for being rome uh okay but in the fifth century rome the place was invaded by the

00:21:09.720 german tribes and collapsed so the big pivot though was the move from republic to empire

00:21:15.620 and it kind of feels like that's where we are it but we're afraid to be an empire right but maybe

00:21:23.940 what we saw two days ago is the beginning of a period we're like okay we're an empire we're embracing

00:21:29.240 it that that was that's why i mean that's my hope is america you know american imperialism

00:21:33.600 because i believe we're just the moral people i believe we're a christian people i believe that

00:21:38.740 the venezuela i believe in like i believe that the greatest spiritual battle is the and i don't mean

00:21:48.520 to sound like utopian or sound like a bolshevik myself because some of this that's why again the left

00:21:53.580 and the neocons like they took all this they they ruined they ruined everything because you end up

00:21:59.680 sounding like a leftist utopian or you you sound like a neocon when you say these things but i just

00:22:04.920 i believe in my heart that america is the most righteous country that has ever lived that that

00:22:11.200 western europe if it if it doesn't fall needs needs to remain upright and that human suffering will

00:22:19.440 be reduced by what was done in venezuela so i think that's one way that i look at foreign policy is

00:22:25.180 in the middle east we created human suffering on a on a scale that's catastrophic and

00:22:29.520 vietnam especially too like that's one thing that always annoys me that i think the cambodian genocide

00:22:35.760 should be taught in our schools because one it was because of communism and pol pot and two it was

00:22:41.400 our fault because we were using cambodian airspace and that's what led to pol pot's rise and

00:22:47.040 propping up prince cianuk and the whole thing no it was you're absolutely right so if we have a

00:22:51.700 national guilt we should actually have a national guilt over the cambodian genocide and we never

00:22:56.520 rebuilt it we just sort of left them to live in squalor well you know who did fix it actually was

00:23:02.960 vietnam vietnam invaded in 1978 kicked him out right yeah we've got a new partner it's a company called

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00:24:17.500 you heard it here first but okay so i i guess i haven't quite figured out what i think i have a lot

00:24:26.960 of thoughts obviously i'm totally opposed and have been since a rock since 2003 to anything like this

00:24:33.520 on the other hand i'm thinking to myself maybe well maybe i'm not in charge of history okay that's

00:24:40.120 like one thing that um and maybe it's just time to accept the reality of it so i would like to live

00:24:48.280 in a small agrarian christian republic where everyone knows everyone else like that's kind of my idea of

00:24:54.200 utopia that's not anywhere near what we have we live on a continent-sized country with 350 million other

00:25:00.720 people and we'll probably have 500 million by the time we're old okay so and we run the at least half

00:25:07.260 of the world so maybe what we're seeing is people just embracing what was already true and not like

00:25:15.660 fighting against like i hate the idea of having an empire but we do right so maybe that is what's

00:25:21.580 happening i don't know i'm trying to figure it out no i mean you're born into the world right that

00:25:25.580 that's that's the you got an empire just roll with it be an empire like you're born into a

00:25:30.440 body you're born into like a human body and these like weird things and you have to figure out how to

00:25:34.440 balance being an animal and in a spirit and you didn't we didn't choose it we're born into america

00:25:40.960 in a particular place in time and here's the problems that we have here are the resources that

00:25:46.080 we have what you know what can we do to you know reduce as much as possible human suffering and

00:25:52.180 you know govern justly as an empire and we had one we we we i mean in a way we don't have one

00:25:58.700 that's the problem it's like the worst of all worlds where they invade the world invite the

00:26:02.260 world i forget who coined that but that's a favorite of pep buchanan's for sure yeah yeah

00:26:07.420 it might have been steve sailor one of those guys but we had the worst of it which is oh we're going

00:26:12.700 to go in and destroy your countries and then we're going to bring you back up here to do daycare

00:26:16.340 welfare fraud exactly right whereas the righteous thing to do would have said we're going to invade

00:26:22.320 your countries but we're actually going to share in your resources and that was one of the real i

00:26:28.320 think evils of removing qaddafi was they had education they which again sounds very leftist

00:26:34.600 but a lot of this is just objectively true and they had free oil more or less free petrol and now they

00:26:42.840 have you know open-air slave markets so we we did the the worst we didn't build empires we destroyed

00:26:49.580 other people's places and then rather than colonizing them we brought everybody up here and

00:26:54.880 now we we have 40 trillion in debt scam after scam we have like it or not we have blood feuds being

00:27:05.300 imported where like now you have to have an opinion about somaliland my god you know and in my life as i

00:27:11.680 get older i'm trying to have fewer opinions and now i have to know the difference between somalia and

00:27:16.900 somaliland and then you look at the minnesota flag which is is obviously tied to somalia that that

00:27:24.860 again is the worst of all worlds so if we're gonna if we're gonna do it then then we should we should

00:27:31.620 do it as an empire so what does the future look like what are the next three years look like so you

00:27:37.540 saw the president saying you know this worked we're gonna do it a bunch of other countries

00:27:41.180 well the the future generally versus empire building are two different things because i think

00:27:48.400 the future we're we're on a pathway with the transhumanism the there's a fork in the road

00:27:55.280 about humanity and what what what it what it even means to be a human so that this is a whole other

00:28:00.240 different discussion but if you mean geopolitics for example i think that we're going to continue to

00:28:06.420 see these kinds of targeted strikes now the danger is that whose aim is what to remove the

00:28:12.560 leadership of the country and replace it with a pro-american yeah yeah to put to you know plop one

00:28:18.700 guy out um put somebody else in and if you do in places like latin america i actually think you can do

00:28:24.300 i mean trump's already talking about colombia the the mexican cartel that that's the the strange thing

00:28:29.420 about all this is that the everybody says well why don't we do mexico when mexico is a full narco state

00:28:35.840 they have controls of border towns in the u.s it's a completely it's a control of arizona don't

00:28:41.500 they if you talk to the the turning point guys then yeah they have some pretty strong opinions about

00:28:47.000 katie hobbs and and how she got in so what would a war with a cartel it's a different it's a whole

00:28:54.120 different right pandora's box you're opening there but if you can remove maduro you can remove a few

00:29:02.180 people you're you're sending a message to people which is so here so here's where here's why i

00:29:08.500 disagree with the the neocon model and i think there's like a right a right wing worldview that's

00:29:14.840 coherent and it goes like this the neocon according to the neocon model everyone is just a madman

00:29:20.980 they're just madmen everywhere and pakistan they hate us for no reason they just they're just madmen

00:29:27.480 and they're not rational actors putin's a madman putler that's that's the whole worldview of just

00:29:34.060 the neocons and the neoliberal establishment putin's a madman and i'm like well i don't know

00:29:38.060 he's 70 i read a lot about russian history with the oligarchs had taken over the country after

00:29:43.320 yeltsin left you needed a strong man to come in he brought the oligarchs to heal the oligarchs were

00:29:48.080 like looting the country and you you look at him and you're like this is you can call him evil that's a

00:29:53.060 moral question but somebody being evil is different from whether somebody's a rational or an irrational

00:29:58.720 actor putin is is acting in a way that i in my opinion is quite predictable and he's the most

00:30:05.360 rational actor in the world and yeah of course then you look at the the moolahs and you just say

00:30:12.120 they want to have their fiefdoms they don't want high iq people in iran even they're trying to get rid

00:30:16.700 of as many high iq people as they possibly can this was funny actually i was at a dinner there's a

00:30:22.540 persian diaspora and in orange county and you know la huge yeah and you know not just jewish and

00:30:29.480 you know the secular and the muslim and i was talking to this they're just like a good looking

00:30:33.580 couple very well educated smart and i go how did the how did you guys get out of iran you know it

00:30:38.820 was like one of those things where i thought i knew something but i was revealed my own ignorance

00:30:42.520 i said how did you guys get out of iran he goes oh he goes you get um and people on twitter call me a

00:30:48.200 liar for this too which is like so annoying but he goes no no you basically they give you iq tests

00:30:53.820 and if you're a high iq and you're too high iq they let you get educated they want you out of the

00:30:58.340 country because high iq people have too much of a revolutionary risk so that that there shows you

00:31:04.380 that well that's why we legalize marijuana same right same idea right so that that's the i so i see

00:31:10.560 the moolahs under a different model than the neocons do and i view them as they want to have

00:31:16.200 their little fiefdoms of course they want to govern over the ashes so yeah obviously we don't want

00:31:20.160 to have become a nuclear power or whatnot but that doesn't mean you have to go in and go to war

00:31:25.040 with them because oh no any day now they might just do something like crazy right that and i think

00:31:31.800 that i think that's like the right-wing position is you see people you you remove the moralize the

00:31:38.200 moral which most people can't do most people they want to say the moolahs are evil sure nobody

00:31:43.600 hits the moolahs more than the persian diaspora and of course nobody hits them more so this whole

00:31:48.980 idea that they're not it's like sure they're evil but then the minute you talk about an evil person

00:31:54.100 engaging in rational activity then they're like oh wow so you support evil you know god i've lived

00:31:59.120 this oh my god right then you're dealing with someone who shouldn't be involved in the conversation

00:32:02.680 because they're not capable of like thinking clearly here's my concern i agree with i think your

00:32:07.440 analysis is absolutely right i mean talk to the gulf states you think they like the moolahs no they

00:32:12.260 despise them but they don't want to see them regime change necessarily because what comes next

00:32:17.380 the only country that wants that is israel and not even israel it's bb it's specifically netanyahu

00:32:23.620 and some of his supporters want that and they're putting enormous pressure on the administration to

00:32:28.580 do it and my one my biggest concern about what just happened in venezuela is that will be seen as

00:32:35.720 a template for iran like let's just take out you know the religious leadership of iran or the political

00:32:43.860 leadership or the military leadership and like everything will go as well as it did in venezuela

00:32:48.340 and you know maybe that's true but if it's not true the stakes are high no well that's why people have

00:32:54.760 to have a a definition of what victory looks like because victory for the united states looks different

00:33:02.800 than victory from other people so and this is where i think people people like lose the plot a little

00:33:09.720 bit so it's in it might be in the interest of some countries for there to be chaos because if there's

00:33:17.940 chaos and those people you can kind of go in you don't have to worry about it it's the interest in

00:33:22.380 the united states for there not to be chaos and i think worse that's what we say we say of course but

00:33:26.780 nobody says it you know well i do constantly chaos is not in our interest yeah so so it's in our

00:33:31.640 interest that if we do do regime change that we don't have we don't have chaos we do want to

00:33:37.820 have a moral leadership and moral clarity and we do want to keep things you know on the right path

00:33:43.880 and then other people have different interests and it's just up to us to keep pushing for

00:33:49.180 the orderly the orderly governance of the world via american imperialism well wasn't that long ago that

00:33:55.400 many americans thought they were inherently safe from the kinds of disasters you hear about all the

00:33:59.560 time in third world countries a total power loss for example or people freezing to death in their

00:34:04.240 own homes that could never happen here obviously it's america people are recalculating unfortunately

00:34:11.440 because they have no choice the last few years have taught us that remember when the power grid in

00:34:16.080 texas failed in the dead of winter yeah it happened and it could happen again so the government is not

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00:35:40.120 of that is the belief that the point of the u.s government is to serve the interests of american

00:35:44.180 citizens correct well of course well not of course because i i mean the foreign policy leadership that

00:35:50.940 i've grown up with and that i know personally that's not even in the top five well these are people

00:35:55.640 that they want to play toy soldiers that's a whole that's the the neoliberal order the the

00:36:03.500 neoconservative or i think neo i think we we focus too much maybe on neocons and the neoliberals

00:36:08.260 who have probably done as much or or more the if you look at the biden foreign policy poking you know

00:36:14.420 poking russia and moving nato east that was all neoliberalism and they they're just too rich i guess

00:36:22.260 and bored and want to play checkers and chess with other people's lives but the the trump view is that

00:36:30.520 we're starting from the american position gas prices are down oil from venezuela like we need it we have

00:36:38.140 a deficit that we're never going to pay back like if you if you take a step back and you just

00:36:45.140 embrace it all you you so people always ask me how i feel and i go well i i go from optimism to despair

00:36:54.300 and in a split second because if you if you look at the national debt we're not going to pay that

00:37:00.120 there's no way to pay it back that it's impossible there's no there's no way to pay it back so what

00:37:04.700 happens do we hyperinflate our currency do we fault on our debt trump is going to try a resource

00:37:09.420 extraction so we get venezuelan oil we drive down costs here we get cheap energy here well apparently

00:37:17.340 ai lead to maybe some kind of deflation who knows people have their own opinions on that that's still

00:37:22.640 being hotly contested and in that way imperialism can be a win-win because the venezuelans can be better

00:37:29.920 off we extract our share of it maybe maybe that's utopia maybe that's pie in the sky but

00:37:35.940 that what's the other answer the the i mean the other answer is more the other answer is like

00:37:43.960 dude charlie kirk was assassinated charlie some guy was just at jd vance's house in columb

00:37:50.640 clumb or cincinnati banging on the window maybe shooting at it all the details aren't there

00:37:56.300 the the alternative is it's a it's like a bolshevik revolution the alternative is anarcho-tyranny

00:38:02.980 which is what we already have under the democrat rule and it's that's really bad but the the all

00:38:11.020 the alternatives if we don't if we don't fix it you're going to have more class resentment

00:38:15.320 we do have a neo-bolshevik movement in the united states on a bash marxist when the maduro thing

00:38:21.660 happened it was interesting you saw the brandon johnson chicago's mayor mayor karen bass who was

00:38:28.920 in africa while the palisades was burning she was taking some kind of vacation mandami and they're

00:38:33.680 all sort of with maduro so you have this global marxist movement which is you know the red green

00:38:39.320 alliance which gets tossed around but some of the stuff these guys say in the think tanks have

00:38:43.380 actually if you read into it enough i think a lot of that really is accurate so you have this

00:38:48.480 red green alliance of third world thinking with neo-bolshevism or marxism however people want to

00:38:55.020 characterize it and they do not have a good plan for the u.s they want to they want to loot it they

00:39:01.980 want to destroy it they have a deep hatred for whatever reason of white people white people of

00:39:08.240 european descent are just absolutely hated hated by all all of these forces so and not just by them

00:39:14.440 by the neocons we don't hate europeans too for some reason i'm not exactly sure why but um christians

00:39:21.500 i feel like kind of everyone i mean that is my frustration with all this talk of anti-semitism

00:39:28.220 which i oppose escape speech saying why i oppose it on christian grounds i am sincerely opposed to

00:39:34.020 anti-semitism and racism and hating anybody on the basis of his blood i'm just opposed to it against

00:39:38.240 my religion but like the main form of institutionalized hate is not anti-semitism

00:39:43.420 it's anti-white hate in the united states and like why does nobody say that well the affirm i mean i

00:39:50.100 remember with police and fire hiring that was in the 80s where if you're a white male adam crow

00:39:56.240 had talked about that before but he tried to be a firefighter of course and they just said well

00:40:00.020 you're you're a white man so how about jp morgan same thing it's in every part of american society so

00:40:05.080 yeah the white man has been the white man that's a funny way of putting it but white men have been

00:40:10.660 hated for decades and then they've been the world's punching bag until of course you need a delta force

00:40:16.160 mission they post a picture and it's all jacked white guys with a few latinos and always has with

00:40:22.300 tattoos and and you think well these the whole generation was was hollowed out and you you just

00:40:30.500 do not see and for me that's a litmus test for 2028 is anyone who runs for president but won't

00:40:38.700 specifically condemn anti-white hate by name is not even in the well jd vance just did that not even

00:40:44.380 you're not even in the mix because if you could you see ron de santis saying calling out anti-white

00:40:52.160 hate by name de santis is an interesting i i think he would have three or four years yes i totally agree

00:40:59.960 his evolution his evolution has been

00:41:03.900 he lost it he lost um he needs to listen to people like christina pushaw more and i agree the

00:41:12.900 the problem i noticed a lot of people get sucked into donor world they get they get in the west palm

00:41:17.360 beach they get around the richies and i've seen that happen to a lot of people is you just you

00:41:22.680 cannot spend whether it's the tech guys or the finance guys the west palm beach people the silicon

00:41:28.640 valley people can't spend too much time around the richies man they're uh i totally they're not

00:41:34.500 they're not they're not living in reality they have all these weird pet projects that don't have

00:41:40.500 any kind of connection to downstream reality yes they're glib and out of touch and they they're

00:41:48.860 gonna they're gonna steer you aside you have to just stay with you have to just stay with the people

00:41:53.120 man you gotta stay with the people so ken griffin is not a reliable bellwether of american public

00:41:57.280 opinion he bought this like he bought this uh i think tyrannosaurus rex fossil or something for

00:42:03.780 75 million dollars yeah people who people who are like i have so much money that i just want a dinosaur

00:42:10.880 fossil or dinosaur skeleton in my atrium might might not be the people you want to take political advice

00:42:18.560 from no probably the last people so do you think desantis is obviously going to run in the primary

00:42:24.880 you think desantis cruz it's going to be an open field because there always is because that's how

00:42:31.960 they get media time and sell books and everything but the what do you think it'll look like the the

00:42:37.920 table the table the table well one is it depends if we get it depends what happens in the midterms

00:42:43.980 and how many impeachments trump gets hit with if they can't keep the midterms although elon's back

00:42:50.440 in the game so maybe maybe republicans keep the midterms but i think the house i think they if if

00:42:56.080 with elon you can with elon's money you can and it's just that's the sad thing to say but that's

00:43:01.320 just again that's maybe maybe like that's where it goes back to like i'm an i'm a pragmatist not an

00:43:06.780 idealist yeah money out of politics okay well that's nice um no we need to get we need to basically

00:43:12.420 but like it's funny because i all my friends are pro israel basically and my advice to them is has

00:43:17.860 been like a singular one you need guys you need to just calm down because the anti-semis are so

00:43:24.880 moronic right now just let them talk because everything they say is off-putting to anyone

00:43:31.900 with a high aq but if you come with rancor then that's just you're you're muddy in the field and i go

00:43:38.220 to us just be like stephen miller stephen miller likes israel a lot wants israel to prosper and

00:43:45.240 everything but when people think of stephen miller all they think about is this guy's amazing

00:43:48.760 you know like stephen miller wakes up trying to do things for america and then if you do that

00:43:54.360 we don't really care what israel does or at least i don't um most of us wouldn't or if there would be

00:44:01.140 certainly less rancor around it and if they would just fund things then everybody would be better

00:44:08.580 off so elon he just writes huge checks and if that side wrote bigger checks for republicans to

00:44:13.540 just be republicans that's what that's i've been telling them is i go look you're gonna get 80 90

00:44:19.260 of what you want if you just keep republicans in the house you're gonna get that the alternative

00:44:23.620 for you guys is aoc and mondami and all these other people versus people like me who are just

00:44:31.800 realistic and pragmatic about it and people like jd who's like who's the same thing you just he's a

00:44:36.980 pragmatist you got to accept that you just got to accept that not everybody is going to be an

00:44:41.860 ideologue about it but you can still win without people being ideologues you can win which is good

00:44:46.760 old good old-fashioned alliances where you help out you pitch in where you don't see the trump

00:44:52.780 coalition is so broken so fractured because i do think the neocons are intentionally breaking it

00:44:57.660 because they want to keep jd from becoming i don't think it's working though i mean i'm old you don't

00:45:01.320 think it's working i'm old head from 2015 this is all a repeat of 2015 it's a repeat of the desantis

00:45:06.980 when he ran in the primary same talking points that the same people playing the same kind of games

00:45:13.500 so i don't um i just see it as this is the third season of 2015 you know 2015 2022 2023 and now now

00:45:25.600 it's back again so i don't see it and the the way the politics lines up on this stuff especially in

00:45:32.700 like 2028 is you got to look at it as the there's just not there's the problem you know i gotta i

00:45:41.880 always want to be careful what i say is that not because i'm like afraid of being canceled because

00:45:46.520 i've been i mean i've been through the ringer a thousand times but the they have the people who

00:45:53.340 really see israel as a key issue just need to understand that hey man you're going to get like

00:46:00.680 most of what you want but if you take take it so that we can't win in 2028 with a republican because

00:46:08.920 you create so much acrimony and division and suppress the vote then you're going to get a bad

00:46:13.560 democrat you're going to get a bad democrat and you're going to get maybe a bad democrat congress

00:46:18.960 so people need to not not behave in this kind of way that's because it's not helpful i just think

00:46:24.680 of things like politics am i being am i being helpful to the country and i'm being am i being helpful

00:46:30.280 for 2026 and 2028 and i think that's how everybody needs needs to view the map like are you are you

00:46:36.380 being helpful like are you going to get what you want if you continue to behave this way you don't

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00:47:39.480 well it depends what you want so if you run around calling people nazis the chance that you're going to

00:47:46.880 convince them to become nazis is pretty high i mean that's just very obvious if you're doing that

00:47:53.640 and so maybe they want more nazis there there's a there's a segment of people but i it's it's much

00:48:03.460 smaller the that's that i mean it's the loud segment it's well if you want if you want to if the

00:48:12.340 incentive structure is different so if you're in media and you want to maximize a certain kind of

00:48:18.260 sales funnel where they get as many people as they can as many eyes on them that they want to be

00:48:24.980 acrimonious and they want to throw bombs because that that's the business right but if you're more

00:48:32.700 political you want to think about like how's how is this going to help us achieve an agenda right how

00:48:39.700 how is this going to help the country how is this going to help them get what they want that that's what

00:48:44.960 i'm trying to see i'm just trying we have this alliance that won in 2024 the popular vote which

00:48:51.200 i knew trump was going to win we have mutual friend actually i'll tell you i'll tell you when when we

00:48:55.260 stop um when we stop filming but he was so blackpilled about the election right and i said no he's gonna

00:49:04.140 win we'll know that night he's gonna trump's gonna win we're gonna know that night he goes crazy

00:49:09.100 i go i promise you promise you and election night has like well who told everybody the only thing i

00:49:16.380 didn't see is i didn't think we were going to win the we you know i didn't think trump was gonna win

00:49:20.500 the popular vote so we have this alliance we have maha you have the og like maga people the the wild

00:49:29.660 energy they brought in there was always this boisterous male energy but then they brought a bunch

00:49:34.840 more of that in then you had the the post october i don't think trump wins if october 7th doesn't

00:49:41.640 happen to be honest and i said this at the time because when i when october 7th happened

00:49:47.220 they realized oh this is this is what the left really is right and i do think a lot of them weren't

00:49:54.140 a lot of the pros really people were not paying attention to what the left kind of had become

00:49:58.400 and because i remember i would talk about the right arena alliance and people's eyes would sort of like

00:50:02.740 glaze over like let's you know that sounds stupid and so you have they have the post 07 people you

00:50:09.480 have the they don't want their kids trans you have maha you have the nationalists you have the populists

00:50:15.380 you get the tech guys you get the wealth tax guys so we it's a it's a coalition and everybody

00:50:21.040 the rappers the salvadorans the other rappers you have the the venezuelan the cubans and it's a

00:50:27.200 it's a political coalition that has to be kept together and i think every coalition partner

00:50:33.940 needs to to look out for others and some coalition partners can push for themselves more and lose

00:50:42.220 sight of things so my opinion you know foreign policy and everything else has gotten too much

00:50:46.460 attention maha hasn't gotten enough attention rfk jr has sort of done done what he has the domestic

00:50:52.420 issues there's only so much trump can do because judges are blocking him but that that's another

00:50:57.800 concern of mine is that domestic issues are getting blocked and then that's going to create fractures

00:51:01.360 in the coalition but i do think the okay can i ask though if you i'm the reason i'm have such like a

00:51:09.400 tepid not interesting response to what happened two days ago is because i think it's like a pivot point

00:51:14.560 in history and i don't fully understand what it means so i don't want to get over my skis until

00:51:19.560 i have a better sense of what i think it means but um it is a totally new way of conducting

00:51:26.380 diplomacy slash foreign policy slash military action like this is a new thing because trump

00:51:31.680 didn't dress it up with a lot of lying about democracy or human rights he's like no we want

00:51:36.800 the oil and like this guy's bad and we're taking him out and we're gonna run it never no one alive

00:51:41.800 has seen anything like that before in the united states so you wonder and that's why i'm saying i think

00:51:46.760 we're for good or bad fully in the empire stage of civilizational development the republic stage is

00:51:54.400 over no one cares about congress so no just like no one cared about the roman senate i wonder like

00:52:01.280 how long until that same governing style applies to domestic policy where we lived it we lived it

00:52:08.480 man like we lived under biden well you're right before you flesh that out like people forget we lived

00:52:14.000 like people like me lived in hell ricky vaughn was a i remember when douglas mackie was arrested

00:52:19.000 what a good man raided in florida chased down with guns i followed all these court cases of the the

00:52:24.040 blacks for trump guy was chased down by unidentified fbi agents they just started chasing him down with a

00:52:29.820 gun because they obviously wanted to initiate a shootout and gaslight him into a shootout

00:52:34.200 thousand plus j6ers people who committed at most misdemeanor trespass around up we we lived under

00:52:41.540 anarcho tyranny lake and riley's murdered we have murders happening la is again anarcho tyranny for

00:52:48.360 those who don't know because you don't live on twitter thank god god bless you is you know i think

00:52:53.160 i forget who coined the phrase the name escapes but you would know and the idea is that if you're a

00:52:58.960 law-abiding citizen you live under a state of tyranny where you're going to jaywalking ticket that's

00:53:02.900 right but there can be a homeless encampment right next to the don't walk sign but you're the one who's

00:53:06.900 going to get the ticket while the encampment's there and that's that's what we lived under an

00:53:11.980 imperial dictatorship where everybody was just like oh yeah like when like have you talked to you had

00:53:17.580 you have you had like to talk to the kids yet and everybody charlie posobic everybody had that

00:53:24.100 conversation with the kids which is like hey just so you know like daddy might be taken away for a

00:53:28.320 couple years and you know he's gonna go away and if anybody like shows up don't do anything

00:53:32.680 uh you know because they might try to shoot you they might want to put a flashbang grenade in

00:53:37.560 in the house they might want to kill your kids in front of you when when they raided michael cohen's

00:53:42.780 house even though you know cohen ended up turning up what they did to him was was just disgraceful they

00:53:46.820 were going through his daughter's ipads in front of him this is wicked fussy stuff it just didn't get

00:53:52.380 really any media coverage because i didn't even know they did that no no that's one reason i think

00:53:58.760 cohen sort of sort of broke him they just took all the ipads out of the little kids room and they

00:54:03.480 were just like taunting him they threatened to send don junior to prison for the rest of his life for

00:54:07.320 he didn't do anything john eastman a respected member of the bar constitutional law professor

00:54:12.080 disbar in california jeffrey clark great career in law big law kirkland and ellis they're trying to

00:54:17.540 take his law license in dc one one thing after another and it got almost no coverage and no attention

00:54:22.680 because the media would cover downplay it or they would they would lie about it and that was that

00:54:29.700 was like the world dude like i've had that conversation with my kids they're too young to

00:54:32.780 understand like i remember like because i don't have any money like i have no money and people like

00:54:38.080 well you know once you have any money it's like my family has all my money because i know that i could

00:54:43.240 just be stripped of everything any day even you know even now that if you're a targeted regime you could

00:54:49.680 just like wake up you're like okay well i guess i'm fucked and but on the other hand you're just

00:54:56.000 like my god how have i been boiled in the pot for this long that i've just accepted that is the norm

00:55:03.360 and i think that's something that is is a problem with all of us is we're just we just took it for

00:55:10.580 like oh charlie kirk i remember charlie kirk got shot i remember posobic calls he's like dude they

00:55:16.520 killed charlie everybody thought they would just kill somebody else first but everybody knew they were

00:55:19.600 going to kill somebody everybody knew it this is how we live our life like i live my life knowing

00:55:24.340 i could be killed any day yeah i live my life under biden knowing well you know i could any day

00:55:30.580 anything any day something could happen i know every day that i wake up just to a shit show of

00:55:37.020 false it doesn't it just doesn't matter that that's the way that you live and as as like fucked up as it

00:55:44.720 is and and the reason our people i think don't talk about it is you just you have a certain

00:55:49.340 ability a stiff upper lip you don't want to you don't want to sound like a victim but that's exactly

00:55:54.420 right that's not it's not like nor it's like it's a weird it's like enraging in a way like no this is

00:56:00.340 not how it's supposed to be in america where you know that any given day like you you might be taken

00:56:05.940 away from your children because of of politics and because of how rotten and corrupt everything is

00:56:13.400 i i couldn't agree more obviously i live a life exactly like the one you described on the other

00:56:19.000 hand i think it's essential to cling to your nobility and refuse to become a victim and refuse to act

00:56:24.100 like seth dylan or whoever like constantly talking about oh the threats against me people are mean to

00:56:28.500 me come on you know you chose to be in this just man up he did but he shouldn't have to

00:56:33.860 no i look i agree no one should threaten seth dylan i i'm totally opposed to threatening him

00:56:38.340 or anyone else just saying like talking about yourself is that that's our but i know that's

00:56:44.080 our problem though see that's the that's how they got us in this catch 22 which is well nobody can

00:56:51.280 complain because we're you know mainly men and we're lost we take it off the chain we don't we don't

00:56:55.420 complain but then they get away with everything and people go wait a minute you had to say like

00:56:59.460 i think that most people if you told them oh yeah like i remember when i was when douglas mackie got

00:57:05.900 wrongfully arrested and charged for a crime he didn't commit and it's been proven now we didn't

00:57:11.900 commit the crime that i remember sitting out with my kids and i go hey kids i just you know want to

00:57:16.520 let you know um you know talk to my wife hey like you know here's your money here's where the money is

00:57:21.700 you know it's all in like your name i don't have anything and tell my kids hey kids like they might

00:57:28.080 take daddy away like the bad guys might come and get daddy and you know it'll be okay and everything

00:57:32.560 dude that if we don't talk about it then nobody knows right right so but we're like well i don't

00:57:38.940 want to fucking cry i'm a real man i'm a it's like great and then nobody knows and then people get

00:57:44.940 like wait a minute john eastman a distinguished law professor wrote a memo that wasn't even acted on

00:57:49.820 he just lost his life lost his position at chapman his standing in the world even his law license his

00:57:55.980 ability to like earn a living this is like this is what is happening so we do need to bitch more

00:58:00.980 to be honest that's our problem that's the exploit and whatever our dna is or whatever our operating

00:58:07.200 software is or whatever our genetics is that's our exploit is we just sort of you just take the hits

00:58:12.420 you take the hitch you endure the weight of life dad doesn't complain that's what you do

00:58:16.900 and then they're taking and then they take our country and then they fuck us up like one by one so

00:58:22.540 i remember like some guy showed up to fuentes's place to kill him and then end up killing somebody

00:58:27.700 else down the street shows up people like well they didn't even know it was like because you're

00:58:33.300 not supposed to talk about it like and fuentes his credit yeah i mean i gave him a chance to talk about

00:58:37.920 it and whatever you think of fuentes but he did not marinate in his victimhood at all yeah some loony

00:58:42.600 goes up to cat turns house tries to get him they go after benny johnson they go after seth dillon

00:58:47.720 candace owens has had threats charlie kirk gets killed so i i think it's there's a way to

00:58:55.660 to talk about these and that's why so the charlie kirk thing really was a frustrating thing for me

00:59:00.520 because well i mean it was a tragic thing you know like that sounds so like shallow um i i just thought

00:59:08.340 that people would realize they're they're like they're hunting us for sport all of us tucker they're

00:59:15.020 hunting you if they could get shapiro they would get shapiro if they could get walsh they could get

00:59:19.160 walsh if they could get candace they could get candace and it ain't the israelis and it ain't

00:59:23.180 the jews that are doing it it's a violent feral terrorist you know bolshevik left and they would

00:59:28.700 get all of us if they could so whatever acrimony we have which is like i'm not a unity guy i'm a

00:59:34.340 guy who likes you know likes the mix maybe too much but it's like dude they're gonna kill us

00:59:40.540 they're gonna kill all of us and we need to figure out we need to figure out some kind of

00:59:46.020 way to coexist with one another understanding that the threat against us is existential and they would

00:59:52.220 the the left if they could kill set dylan they'd be glad to kill him if they could kill you they'd be

00:59:56.540 glad to kill you to them that's just another another notch on their belt or a point on the scoreboard

01:00:00.360 so what's i mean what's the administration doing with this that i mean that was that was my problem

01:00:06.200 with the trump's first term is the political violence against trump supporter because again

01:00:11.520 we're just supposed to deal with it just deal with it was the completely almost completely ignored

01:00:17.640 during his first term is it still being ignored under my definition it is yeah they're they're

01:00:24.760 arresting some people there there's more happening than the first term but the the response is not

01:00:31.000 what i would like to see so the claim when charlie was murdered was that this was antifa or some

01:00:36.720 antifa adjacent uh person or organization i don't i don't know if that's true i don't know anything about

01:00:44.360 it i think it's absolutely true uh i don't know that but and i i don't have any other theories i just

01:00:49.840 i don't even understand the story but but if people said it was true so like okay where's the roundup

01:00:57.440 antifa so they're uh sorry you got a dog sneezing right there that's good good the good puppy so

01:01:03.540 the no i'm i'm a i mean i think it was tyler robinson i think a 22 year old man on a mission

01:01:11.180 is a very dangerous thing and that i i think that there were other people in those discord servers and

01:01:18.840 there were people tweeting something big is going to happen tomorrow and after tomorrow charlie won't be

01:01:24.080 around anymore so i'm very frustrated that there doesn't seem to be much interest and

01:01:30.000 maybe those people were just guessing or maybe they were trolling but there doesn't seem to be

01:01:35.500 much interest in finding out who the who those other people why do you think that's well it doesn't

01:01:41.820 make any sense to me i i always i always go back to the garland texas mass shooting which is to me

01:01:48.280 this is like the skeleton key of it all so pamela geller who's very much uh pro-israel about as

01:01:55.720 hardcore as you can be on the issue did a draw muhammad contest and there was going to be a

01:02:01.080 bunch of other people also like very pro-israel and a jihadi was going to shoot the place up

01:02:07.860 the he it was texas he got taken out but by accident of faith or an accident of fate a local law

01:02:16.020 enforcement officer pulled over an fbi agent who was fleeing the scene got the guy's phone and the

01:02:21.500 the text message to the jihadi said tear up texas sounds unbelievable it's 100 true sander grassley

01:02:28.120 has asked for information twice from ray and garland has been stonewalled i don't know why cash patel

01:02:33.400 won't release it i've asked everybody up as high up the food chain as you can get why we can't get it

01:02:39.300 and what's the answer my my belief is that there's that mk ultra never-ended co-intel pro mk ultra was

01:02:47.720 of course the mind control experiments they conduct on people where the the book chaos covered this in

01:02:53.140 great detail for people who are curious about that about the charles manson murders the manson murders

01:02:58.280 and then there was that air force guy who was drugged up and killed somebody and that didn't even make

01:03:02.520 sense and i even know about that well that book was completely mind-blowing and i do think they

01:03:10.040 still have whatever arm of that is whether that's within the fbi or some other dark site within the

01:03:16.080 intelligence community i i'm certain that that that that still exists so because of that you don't

01:03:23.060 get you don't get you're not going to get any information about that because i do think there would

01:03:27.200 be some kind of dark op because what a lot of people again it's just the title book shows the

01:03:33.120 agenda it's just chaos get out get everybody afraid get everybody panicked usher in more surveillance

01:03:38.620 technology usher in a surveillance state bring in anarcho-tyranny where if you're law-abiding

01:03:43.940 everything you do is monitored by flock and all these camera traffic cameras everything you do is

01:03:49.420 monitored but if you're a drug addict on the street you're you have free reign you do anything you

01:03:54.800 want this was uh the bolshevik method there was a solzhenitsyn called alexander solzhenitsyn quote

01:04:01.460 where it went i don't have the exact quote but the substance of it was your punishment for having a

01:04:08.440 knife was different for the thieves when you had a knife it was terrorism when the thief had it it was

01:04:13.340 just his way of life and that's what we're living under now the modern anarcho-tyranny so what do they

01:04:19.700 have in common like why does this same phenomenon reoccur yeah it's it's the the battle the the

01:04:27.540 battle between people say good and evil but you just say like logos and chaos logos the divine order

01:04:34.180 the order of god the unison of people the fellowship of people versus the chaos and the acrimony

01:04:42.100 the evil of the the dark one satan demons every religious tradition has a even dualistic religions

01:04:52.360 or polytheistic religions have chaos gods right so even if you're not monotheistic which i'm

01:04:57.900 monotheistic obviously but everybody has had those the chaos agents so chaos is destroying the divine

01:05:05.300 order and the divine communion of people so you don't see this as political battles but as

01:05:11.320 manifestations of a spiritual battle it's yeah it's a spiritual yeah the political

01:05:14.680 is what you see the spiritual is what you talk about and then people will make fun of you and

01:05:20.860 say you're crazy i don't think they make fun of you anymore do they much less so they so you had a

01:05:25.740 tweet about this yesterday i think here's your tweet if you were a demon with dominion over the planet

01:05:33.760 and you wanted to increase the amount of human suffering across the world you would eliminate the white

01:05:38.100 population yeah yeah that so you see you see what's happening the the death of whites their mass

01:05:47.100 massive contraction as a racial group globally you see that as a manifestation of the spiritual war

01:05:53.700 ireland really is the rosetta stone i think in all this i agree because you can again even if right

01:06:01.900 or wrong you could at least rationalize rhodesia was an evil apartheid state and they had to give

01:06:07.380 it over to mugabe and it became zimbabwe but you know what they did the right thing and had a bad

01:06:11.800 outcome or south africa for that i don't agree with that but you could there's a chain of logic okay

01:06:15.880 they did the right thing that ended apartheid it led to a bad result maybe they could have

01:06:20.560 transitioned it better but there's an a to b to c thing they're right ireland they were colonized by the

01:06:26.480 the white irish were colonized by the white british they were starved their resources were plundered

01:06:32.120 they had the potato they had the potato famine they lived like churches were desecrated churches

01:06:38.160 were desecrated they were an enslaved people but they have to be punished oh i agree why do the irish

01:06:44.420 right to me that's when if people think that tweet sounds crazy or any of this is crazy

01:06:48.820 then you have to tell me why that why do the irish have to pay i totally agree and that that gives up

01:06:55.920 the whole game gives up the whole game so this is a manifestation of the spiritual war the destruction

01:07:03.900 of whites yeah and and then why that is i i don't know yet i'll still unravel it but you can't you can't

01:07:11.660 deny it when you look at ireland and you look what is happening look what's happening globally you look

01:07:17.560 what is happening in the u.s and has been happening for decades but again that goes back to well you don't

01:07:23.680 want to talk about how you could be killed any day and that's just something you live with and i just

01:07:28.680 live with it knowing that at any moment i could be gone removed one way or another how does that

01:07:35.540 change the way you live that knowledge the you when you know when you know it's like it's like

01:07:43.240 memento mori so the the arrogance or whatever the because i pretend to be arrogant on the internet

01:07:50.320 sometimes but people who know me sort of find that kind of funny but the there's a there's one there's

01:07:58.120 like a deep weight that you carry just a deep weight where you know that what you do has consequences

01:08:07.940 and you need to really focus on doing the right thing it has consequences for yourself in the country

01:08:12.700 because if we do lose the amount of human suffering is going to be immeasurable in the u.s and globally

01:08:19.000 it's like it isn't it when you read about the hull the more you read about the cambodian genocide you

01:08:24.880 read about the the gulags it's just a scale of human suffering beyond beyond human understanding

01:08:31.860 and where the remaining bulwark against it so you're you're just left with a sense of like

01:08:36.620 and then you're you're um like i have i have a thing kind of a bit i do online although it's really

01:08:43.500 true is i have like i have a war on fun so you don't get to have fun like i don't get to have fun

01:08:48.980 that doesn't mean i don't enjoy my life it doesn't mean that i don't have a cigar and mountain bike

01:08:53.800 and do other things but i just i don't get to have fun that's not the cards to me i don't get to

01:08:57.700 have fun i have to live like a serious person who knows i could be killed that my friends could be

01:09:02.900 killed in the case of charlie a friend will be killed that even people like seth and them that i

01:09:08.080 may not see eye to eye with like they could get killed that any of us that could be killed

01:09:13.080 on any given day and so in a way it's like being in it's not being in a combat zone in a way but it

01:09:20.720 is a way of it is a form of warfare so i just i don't get to like have fun i don't i don't get to

01:09:25.560 like goof off or live so it gives your life meaning in some ways it gives it gives your life it yeah

01:09:32.020 meaning is a complicated subject but it gives your life a you certainly have a purpose right where

01:09:40.220 you know that and this is true of everybody or how people should live is what you do does have

01:09:45.780 significance and consequence and you do have to you do have to make it count that sounds i mean in

01:09:52.460 some ways worse but in most ways better than living without that knowledge that it could end well that

01:09:59.060 that's the meaning that's the meaning kind of paradox i think that's why some people call it the

01:10:03.620 meaning crisis then before that jonathan hate wrote a book the happiness hypothesis and meaning is this

01:10:10.080 concept where if you chase meaning you can't find meaning but you find meaning by living in a

01:10:16.940 certain way and then you go oh this is so like this is meaning so i give you i have these weird

01:10:22.700 it's like a hyper reality you just did a film on this i should i should we're working on it yeah we're

01:10:26.800 in post we're yeah so okay so yeah explain this through that lens okay well the you know you get when

01:10:36.920 you get older you want to do things that are interesting and hard and i think doing a movie

01:10:41.180 on the meaning of life is about as about as hard as you get right and there so you would say like

01:10:48.260 what is the meaning of life which i've asked everybody and you know people have their own

01:10:53.740 answers but sometimes it's good to sort of attack it from the inverse which is what would be a

01:10:59.920 meaningless life a meaningless life would be all this suffering of yourself and others all the human

01:11:07.060 suffering it was just the way it is we were just animals and we were bred by some kind of alien

01:11:12.500 species to harvest gold and if people got harmed or genocided or whatever that was just there's no

01:11:20.700 reckoning at the end that that to me gives me nightmares to think there's no reckoning or no so then

01:11:28.020 you would say well that would be meaningless okay that's i'm chasing whatever that is so then you

01:11:33.500 start to think of meaning who what is that what meaning is is a communion with god is a catharsis

01:11:39.180 it's that whatever it was whatever you know there's a saying like the only way out is through is like

01:11:44.620 whatever this is that you're going to get through it and there is a divine evening out of everything

01:11:50.900 and that everything did have a point and everything did matter and everything happened for a reason not

01:11:56.980 because you're a actor who doesn't have agency but because it was part of as part of the ride so

01:12:03.020 like i got chunks taken out of me there's no like there's you've had chunks everybody has you know

01:12:07.540 again we're not supposed to talk about it because we're so you know macho macho men but like i think

01:12:12.240 i'm like sometimes i'm just like dude i'm tired man like it is just like having to live like that

01:12:18.380 especially under the biden regime i am the censorship regime where as an adult man you can't even say what

01:12:25.000 you believe because your whole livelihood would be destroyed you might not be able to have a bank

01:12:28.800 account right that that was like the way you kind of lived and you have chunks taken out of you and

01:12:35.740 to think that that was for nothing right like losing which is how meaning ties into i think the

01:12:42.360 the political melee is losing would be the most meaningless thing in the world there's this

01:12:47.880 painting somebody posted and i'm and we get it reproduced in an um oil painting and it's of

01:12:56.940 when the bolsheviks took over the palace at the bolshevik revolution and it just shows this it just

01:13:02.380 fills me with this like rage you're just staring at evil and i look at like this is what losing looks

01:13:07.960 like losing looks like you're lined up next to your kids and they start shooting you but the kids don't

01:13:13.780 die right away so they bayonet your kids in front of you that's what losing looks like people people

01:13:18.640 used to say oh cernovich you're crazy that sounds crazy i remember they say that 2015 2016 oh you're

01:13:24.120 so hyperbole now everybody that's what losing looks like losing doesn't mean oh you're gonna have a

01:13:29.600 wealth tax and you have to pay a little bit more taxes losing is you are lined up in the basement and

01:13:35.260 they are killing your kids in front of you that that is what like losing is well to me that's

01:13:39.440 meaningless to me that's the antithesis of like whatever the meaning of life is so the connection

01:13:47.380 between really meaning and what do you mean well i don't know i mean the basis of christianity is

01:13:54.900 this guy who christians believe was god who came down and then like got brought up on false charges

01:14:00.280 and tortured to death but that he did that so we didn't have to he took on the burden a lot of people

01:14:05.300 take the christ martyrdom as some kind of message that we should become martyrs and i i always say

01:14:12.420 there's been one martyr christ died on the cross i ain't dying on the cross i ain't a martyr christ did

01:14:18.960 that and he took on the sins of mankind and he did that for us i'm i'm not i'm not here to to be

01:14:27.200 crucified and take on take on the sins of mankind that that's not me if anything it was it's almost

01:14:32.860 it's almost like uh egotistical to think that i should you know that i should be a martyr

01:14:38.580 and that that would be that would be a way to go so i i reject martyrdom theology fully

01:14:44.820 interesting yeah so what it so what is the meaning if the meaning is not getting lined up against the

01:14:51.200 wall with your kids the meaning is communion divine communion meaning is divine communion

01:14:57.000 everything is divine communion the interacting with god interacting with god and the downstream

01:15:02.680 the communion of people so i'll have these moments of like hyper reality where i'm like wrapped up in

01:15:09.200 my own bullshit and oh you know what if i did this and you know in your own head and then i'm on the

01:15:16.300 couch with my kids and there's just like a moment of like stillness and never lasts there's just like

01:15:21.500 moment of like stillness not when you have four it doesn't last no well in my own bullshit

01:15:26.240 fucked up brain too you know like a lot you know there's a lot of us we make prisons of our own

01:15:32.040 mind right of course and we the demons steal our joy you're just you're having a moment and then

01:15:37.980 they're like what about this their deep state's coming for you or you know one one thing after

01:15:44.300 another and there's just these moments of like stillness and you know this is what it's about you

01:15:51.060 know the but that's as because of our primitive brains or whatever our problems are probably because

01:15:57.140 we're not in the garden of eden is we we just can't maintain divine connection the monks can but it's

01:16:03.740 a great aesthetic i always get that word wrong asceticism i always get that bad yeah i'm bad

01:16:08.800 with my asceticism and but they have it's a constant effort you know that's why you know

01:16:15.380 they're living on a pillar of salt or in a cave yeah yeah and it's like the arrow prayer is like

01:16:19.660 god you know jesus christ have mercy on me i'm a set you know you have to constantly be connected

01:16:24.580 with the divine and then lean into your heart more to distract us from the egoism which but you have to

01:16:32.160 have some kind of egoism if you live in the world you can't just not participate in the world so

01:16:35.920 there's this tension between divine connection which means surrendering yourself to the full

01:16:42.480 presence of god right versus okay but i have to like pay my bills dude you know like i have to yeah

01:16:50.700 i have to make my way in this world then those are constantly attention but then something and this

01:16:57.700 is probably why there's a more of a rise for like eastern orthodoxy and and older religious

01:17:03.020 religious traditions and christianity is the and and i love protestants so no no offense to the

01:17:09.840 protestants but protestantism is very well it's very waspish waspish it's like by the book the bible

01:17:16.700 says this and like here's the scriptures and it's very much of the mind christian apologetics oh well

01:17:24.060 you think this is there the trinity and it's like arguing back and forth but you're like existing in mind

01:17:28.580 whereas the eastern traditions and by eastern i don't mean hinduism but even though hinduism has a

01:17:35.680 eastern christianity but eastern orthodoxy and eastern christianity is also about the the knowledge

01:17:41.220 of the heart and the tension that you feel every day like uh every day i'm i just feel a great

01:17:47.300 spiritual tension where i don't like if you ask me are you gonna go to heaven or hell i'd say i don't

01:17:51.740 god help me i don't know i don't know like are you a good person or bad person god help me i don't

01:17:56.780 know i don't i don't know i don't have a good answer to that it makes it weird too when like

01:18:00.920 people go at you because you're just like i don't even know if i'm gonna defend myself maybe i you

01:18:05.080 know maybe i am you know like what am i am and and but you can find a certain amount of meaning in

01:18:12.300 that the there's like a certain amount of meaning of confusion like maybe that's how it was supposed

01:18:17.020 to be that we are spirits and human bodies because the if you you know if you read your old

01:18:21.900 philosophy there's debate of mind body dualism and there's there is a sense that we've all had that

01:18:29.380 am i a body am i a mind well god we're both we're we are both we're a mind and a body and

01:18:37.320 or a spirit and a body and there's going to be tension between this that we you know we wrestle

01:18:45.920 against the flesh and so maybe that's the right answer maybe the right answer is to not be so sure

01:18:51.340 that you're right and that you're such a righteous and holy person and maybe the right answer is i

01:18:56.060 don't know i honestly don't know humility is always the right answer you're not god but you can be proud

01:19:00.760 of humility you know there's a great of course well of course benjamin frank is one of the best

01:19:04.540 favorite writers and he said he would keep a list of the virtues and he said i was i would he said i i've

01:19:11.180 achieved all virtues but i found that i myself became proud of my humility i realized like that

01:19:17.980 was gonna get me so so yeah the yeah so there is there is like a meaning crisis because there that's

01:19:23.740 why we have the opioid epidemic yes we have people but even people who are successful drug overdose so

01:19:29.300 they blow up their family lives because they're they're thinking is this really all there is oh i i did

01:19:34.460 the right things and so even if you end up in a success beer you're still having those nights one

01:19:40.920 well maybe especially and maybe that describes the politics you were talking about earlier where

01:19:45.460 a lot of a ruling class is just bored and let's let's hurt people just to shake it up a little bit

01:19:50.880 yeah a lot i think a lot of them are driven by demonic spirits and those people i think it's less of a

01:19:57.320 less of a meaning crisis and it's more of a like an evil an evil animating force okay so how do you

01:20:03.560 recognize that what there's got to be a difference between just being wrong which i have done many times

01:20:08.800 probably even today and being animated by an evil spirit

01:20:13.840 the angel and demon on your shoulder yeah i mean that's where the that's where the discernment that

01:20:21.900 people talk about so often is something that i thought i think about every you know so who do you

01:20:27.140 who do you look at from afar and perceive to be controlled by evil spirits most i mean when i go to dc

01:20:35.540 although it felt a little bit but it felt like i had exorcism recently is i remember you go to dc

01:20:40.580 and you just feel you just it's just like what is this yeah what is this demonic place this place is

01:20:48.420 the playground playground of the demons the whole the whole place the whole place like just to name

01:20:57.140 one person would be to not do justice to the demonic forces at work in dc even recently if you

01:21:04.900 look in the department of justice have you ever looked at the occult artwork and at doj no that

01:21:10.420 i'll show you some pictures next time doj next time you're at doj go get a tour and go look at all the

01:21:19.160 occult artwork and uh why is there a cult artwork at the department of justice that's it shows by the

01:21:25.400 way that's because it because they take the they take their religion seriously we might not take our

01:21:29.840 religion seriously but they take it seriously the the bad guys take their religion quite seriously

01:21:34.380 and they have they have a religion they have a god their god is in our god their god's the anti

01:21:40.040 and the inverse of our god but they absolutely have a religion their occult artwork is everywhere

01:21:45.120 the it's mortifying and when you when you get the tour you can probably find the pictures online

01:21:52.740 so that's what we're we're up that's what we're up against what's on the dollar bill

01:21:56.300 yeah well the some of that yeah the occult symbolism the complicated one because

01:22:01.100 like is we had um jonathan pageau's and it was interviewed for meaning and i was like i'm like

01:22:08.620 ever since with ayahuasca i'm like obsessed with what does the serpent mean because under the

01:22:14.220 kind of the mainline protestant understanding the serpent tempted eve the serpent is bad the snakes are evil

01:22:20.340 serpent serpent's not good it's more complicated than that so and he's an orthodox christian so he

01:22:28.300 he wrote an article the serpents of orthodoxy where he goes because there's there was a staff with two

01:22:34.280 serpents moving around there you know there's dna there was even before the the double helix structure

01:22:40.180 of dna was discovered there was a two serpents wrapped around that was sort of for sure what was

01:22:46.100 understood um you know ayahuasca the cosmic serpent a lot of people see serpents and that you know

01:22:52.240 that's a whole other you've seen serpents while doing ayahuasca i felt felt it like moving through

01:22:58.040 me just like flowing flowing through me serpents snake oh yeah yeah yeah so that doesn't i mean i'm i'm

01:23:09.160 no shaman but that doesn't sound good well that's what sent you on these like quests so so we wouldn't

01:23:16.200 be having this conversation if i because for one thing you know for christians ayahuasca is like

01:23:22.140 strictly forbidden so i don't i don't want to seem like i'm glamorizing it in any way shape or form but

01:23:26.760 like there was i have gone on multiple ayahuasca journeys over the years and for me it's been

01:23:36.380 completely transformed my heart it's transformed how i see my children it's the way the way like

01:23:42.520 interact with the world that got me interested in christianity again because well so the thing is god

01:23:48.560 can meet you wherever you are right which is why there is good and evil so it isn't to say there's

01:23:53.560 no such thing as good and evil but god god can meet you wherever you are and god ought god can go

01:24:00.800 anywhere and meet you wherever you are so in my case i was not someone who i never had any kind of

01:24:07.240 faith because i never felt anything i would i would go to church and i grew up very christian

01:24:11.940 and i would like try to feel it i was like what do these people have like there's just not there's

01:24:16.720 just isn't it what is it that they feel like is everybody in on something that i'm not in on is

01:24:23.500 everybody faking like i'm faking because i don't believe anything and that was because i had no

01:24:30.020 whatever whatever sixth sense people have for god i didn't have i didn't have the god gene

01:24:34.760 and then i remember you know first time drinking tea and being catapulted to the spirit world and i

01:24:43.880 was like okay the spirit world is real that's okay that's not even up for debate now to the point

01:24:50.560 where it doesn't even offend me when people are atheists or don't believe in i was like well i didn't

01:24:54.840 believe in it either i had to see it with my own eyes you know paul he had to be knocked over

01:24:59.260 you know blinded yeah he had so for me that was like my my paul moment where i was like okay well

01:25:05.680 somehow i ended up here drinking tea with no belief at all in god or the spiritual realm at all and now

01:25:12.880 i absolutely know it's real and what you know went through a number of things and you know if you want

01:25:19.680 to go into all that but i i do like why'd you do ayahuasca in the first place for the wrong reason

01:25:25.180 which was for the ride you know what was hunter thompson said buy the ticket take the ride yeah

01:25:31.860 so many people just sit around ruminating all day or daydreaming all day maybe i'll do this maybe i'll

01:25:37.360 do this i've always been a just buy the ticket take the ride what's it like buy the ticket take the

01:25:41.760 ride so i thought well i mean i've done a lot of things in life before and i felt like i i felt like

01:25:47.520 i was pretty sure of myself that i knew how to live and was arrogant in a lot of ways and i thought

01:25:54.140 well you know i've done everything else like might as well just do ayahuasca you know by everything

01:25:57.860 else i don't mean drugs i just mean like i was so full of myself and my own ego that i just thought i

01:26:02.800 knew so much about life and i was such a wonderful person that obviously i would just do this because

01:26:07.680 that's what people who are so you know so great so great do right i'm so great i'll just do this

01:26:13.580 like other thing and it like broke my heart broke my heart over and over again the whole night just

01:26:20.380 like broke my heart and so the way the way it works is you're you know you drink the tea

01:26:28.860 and you just kind of like look around okay i think that's a mistake and then you sort of like you kind

01:26:36.100 of like start to fall under and you venture to the spirit world but you don't it's not like you're

01:26:44.880 here and i'm walking around la la la i'm in the spirit world you're taken to a place where you have no

01:26:49.620 free will you have no power you are more insignificant than an insect on this world and you start to

01:26:59.480 journey and you know experience various things so so one i'll give you an example because it's kind

01:27:06.660 of hard to explain but i remember like i'm drinking the tea and and sometimes you have like a little

01:27:11.940 bit of a light show when you when you go in you go into spirit world you hear like a buzzing sound

01:27:16.980 like bees and then you see like a little bit of light a little vapor on the side like and then you get

01:27:23.820 the dmt sort of light show that people associate with a psychedelic experience that's the least

01:27:29.260 significant part of the night but a lot of times you start to get the light show and you think oh

01:27:33.840 okay i'm i'm into somewhere but there's a sense of like there's me and i'm in i'm into something

01:27:38.700 and you you know you go through there and then you become completely disoriented you you wake up and

01:27:47.120 you look you know where am i at first where am i so i remember i woke up i go where i look around

01:27:53.800 because you know you're laying down you can't walk around you're laying down i look up and i go where

01:27:56.980 am i where am i where am i i go oh yeah i'm mike cernovich and i'm in this place i'm on this mat

01:28:03.560 and i got dropped off and then i walked in here and i saw this person and then i came and i drank the

01:28:09.780 tea okay cool it's like you're reassuring yourself close my eyes wake up where am i oh i'm mike cernovich

01:28:16.200 i'm in this room and i came in oh yeah i got dropped off i'm doing ayahuasca okay cool

01:28:22.880 okay cool close eyes wake up mike cernovich where am i close my eyes wake up i'm uh where am i

01:28:34.940 wake up what the fuck ah dead dead there is no eye dead dead ah and as i'm falling down into like

01:28:50.760 wherever i'm falling into you i see like my kids surface and my wife surface and i was for all

01:29:00.340 purposes dead i was overwhelmed with the feeling that i was dead it's like i'm dying i'm dead there

01:29:06.580 was no eye i'm there wasn't even an eye who's experiencing and i'm dead and then like all i could

01:29:13.520 think of was like are my kids gonna be okay is my wife gonna be okay are people gonna be okay

01:29:18.280 how is that so foolish how was i so foolish how how i was so i remember like when i funded my kids

01:29:28.180 like college fund i was like okay like my kids are set like i can die you know like what do i need to

01:29:35.200 be around for like because i grew up poor like then you learn that's your own trauma and everything i was

01:29:39.500 like okay like my kids are good my wife's good like everybody's good you know everybody's good i got

01:29:44.320 me taken care of whatever happens to me you know because part of this is like you know knowing that

01:29:48.600 you could be killed or or framed any day and i'm like okay everybody be okay and i remember i'm dying

01:29:55.920 i just heard a voice say you fool you fool they're not okay they're not okay because of money

01:30:03.660 because you set up money like no they're not okay where what is wrong with you and i was just left

01:30:12.080 with the sense of i just i'm a fool and i live my life foolishly and i can't believe that i was such

01:30:18.620 a fool and i'm dead now and it's like too late and then eyes closed and i wake up and then i'm like

01:30:25.280 puking in a bucket like you know so they call like a spiritual purge and i remember being like oh god i'm

01:30:35.200 still alive i'm still alive like looking around you know like looking at this bucket like i'd never

01:30:41.760 been you know everybody's afraid of throwing up on ayahuasca i'm like oh you will that will be the

01:30:46.800 best part of the night that will be that you will be thanking god that you're alive like you know

01:30:53.280 throwing up in a bucket and i was like oh god i'm alive okay i'm alive alive and then but then that's

01:31:00.200 just like that was five minutes that was just five minutes and then you like go back under and then

01:31:06.700 it's like another thing another catharsis like another like time loop so i remember i get up

01:31:16.200 and i look around and there's this woman walking around and she's carrying the buckets because you

01:31:23.500 know people are throwing up and everybody's sick and you so you have kind of the the shaman guy or

01:31:28.520 the facilitator and then you have like the helper and there's this person you know she's walking

01:31:33.040 around and she's carrying a bucket carrying i wake up and i look and i go oh there she is carrying the

01:31:38.960 bucket and then close my eyes you come back up time loop so time loop means like i'm reliving this

01:31:44.100 moment with you and i remember reliving this moment with you but i'm like stuck in it like groundhog

01:31:49.220 day time loop and that's the first time it happened to me and that's a real like mind fuck so

01:31:53.720 i get up like oh she's like carrying things okay she's cleaning up after people and then i thought

01:32:02.700 you know how nice fall fall asleep wake back up i go man look at she's like so helpful and

01:32:09.780 i couldn't do that like i couldn't clean up after puke on other people i just i don't know how they do

01:32:15.240 this and then i wake up and i'm in the time loop again i'm like what what like why i'm in this time

01:32:20.340 loop you know and like you start to feel like you're going insane like why am i stuck in this

01:32:24.200 time loop and i close my and i'll put up and it goes said you don't even know her name you never

01:32:29.040 introduced yourself to her you didn't talk to her you don't talk to people you just look through

01:32:33.660 people you don't get to know people you're so arrogant this person is doing something you could

01:32:39.980 never do because you don't have the humility you're so you could never clean up after other

01:32:44.440 people you don't give a shit you don't give a shit this and but you'd even like look this

01:32:49.380 person in the eyes and just say like hey you know what's your name like how'd you how'd you

01:32:55.100 get here you just came in here to drink your tea selfishly like the arrogant prick that you are

01:32:59.540 and because you wanted to take the ride you know you want to take the ride and you're just a bad

01:33:05.080 person i was like what the fuck you know and then so that was more or less my night and you see

01:33:14.040 demons at one point over and over again oh yeah that was so you can see d so you can see demons i

01:33:20.540 remember being taunted so so that's what's weird about it is it's like it's like scenes of a movie

01:33:28.820 with generally there's a catharsis you don't know that's why they just say before you go in they go

01:33:33.580 the only way out's through you're like i gotta go fuck yourself the only way out's through what

01:33:38.060 kind of shit is that the only way out's through what the fuck does that mean you know again that was

01:33:41.860 my arrogance and my own delusion and that's true in life though yeah yeah and i was just

01:33:48.820 and you're like what does that mean well it means that no matter how bad it is with the ayahuasca i

01:33:54.860 remember i would i would you know i would do mask and then i would open up the mask and try to look

01:33:59.340 around and a demon at whatever it is an entity says oh you think you can open your eyes and just

01:34:07.420 show me like the most fucked up things i'd ever seen people being tortured to death killed like

01:34:12.180 horror like the road have you ever seen the movie the road no like a cannibal like a horror film

01:34:17.360 and then it said oh you think you can take your eye mask off you can't run you're running from

01:34:22.980 yourself you're trying to run from yourself and you can never run for yourself like what am i

01:34:28.540 running from then i'm like what am i running from what what do you mean i'm right because if you

01:34:32.420 talk to me at that point in my life you would be talking to a very cock you're not be talking to

01:34:39.600 this person you would be talking to a person who's like oh yeah i got things figured out man like i got

01:34:45.280 things figured out and i can prove it i grew up poor i've had some things happen that haven't been so

01:34:49.980 good in my life i've had to navigate life with a bipolar mom like i know life you talk to me now i'm

01:35:00.500 like i mean i have ideas you know things that i think are like the path forward but

01:35:04.820 that that person was just shown you are in the spirit realm you are nothing you are nothing and

01:35:12.100 you're so arrogant you're out here you like you have no power so and it says you're running from

01:35:18.840 yourself and i was like what am i running from and it goes all that success you chased and all the

01:35:26.100 whatever a clint whatever it is i was trying to do they go that was just masking your heart your

01:35:33.720 your your the the trauma the trauma that you have and that everything you're doing is just to mask

01:35:41.780 that i'm like that's bullshit you know that doesn't make any sense so it's like okay because

01:35:47.400 you're because you're and by this i mean i'm you're talking to a guide so when i'm saying this this is not

01:35:53.600 like an internal monologue this is you're talking to something outside of yourself it's like dante's

01:36:00.700 infernal like the guide and the guide said okay you know big mouth you want to argue like we'll just

01:36:07.480 vortex you back and uh the spirit realm so then it's like you close your eyes that's why i'm like it's

01:36:14.600 like and seeing you're like oh you're like you're in like a new scene and then like it shows you

01:36:20.500 something from like when you were a child or maybe in my case it was like something from when i was

01:36:25.660 like a child that was remember it was like it was showing me it was showing me the house i grew up in

01:36:30.260 and i was like why is it showing me the house like my house i grew up in this like small shitty house

01:36:37.300 i hated it we had holes in the carpet like i was embarrassed to bring people over i was like why

01:36:43.560 why am i being shown my house what like i hate that fucking house i hate this fucking house

01:36:50.400 why are you showing me this house and then it and then like voice is like you had all the love in the

01:36:57.900 world in that house your dad loved you your mom loved you they did the best that they could do

01:37:03.340 and you think that you can just like give your kids money because that's your own thing you know

01:37:11.480 like well you grew up poor so but it's like you took the love for granted you just like you had all

01:37:17.540 this love but you didn't have money so then that becomes your hang-up like oh do i have enough and

01:37:22.720 like well if my kids have enough what do you need what do you need me for you know like what's that for

01:37:28.820 it was it was like all the love in the world was in the house and you hated the house and you'd like

01:37:34.660 you'd even know it i was like oh fuck you know so like i always loved my dad and had a good relationship

01:37:40.700 i was like oh my god like it was like and what was it like for your dad to be poor like not know how to

01:37:46.460 make a what was that like for him you know and you're just like oh fuck you know like he was poor too

01:37:53.160 you guys were just poor that was like the town lost the factory and people were jobless and that's

01:37:58.520 just every kid's dad went through the same thing you worked at a factory and then you

01:38:01.500 had to find some other kind of shitty job and you kind of find something else and then eventually

01:38:05.520 my dad figured it out by then i was like in high school so it didn't really impact my life either

01:38:10.500 way and then i was like oh fuck i have all this i have all these issues around money just in a way

01:38:17.300 that's like traumatic you know not just in a way that you know people need money to live and you want

01:38:22.580 to be greedy and but i like i had no idea and i never would i never would like reach that

01:38:27.880 conclusion emotionally and then and then you're like zooming out and it's just like oh it's like

01:38:34.200 there's like love the the love of your family the love that god has for you and then and i was like

01:38:42.060 fuck okay so then i close eyes like you wake back up and it's like look it was literally like an old

01:38:48.140 grandfather or something like something out of gandalf or something and it's like look and it goes

01:38:53.940 it's like in a very calming like masculine voice it says it's not supposed to be this way

01:38:59.060 and it was just like he was like doing this he's like it's not supposed to be this way

01:39:03.860 and i look and like like i said i'm laying down and i look and i see this

01:39:07.940 gandalf like figure floating and like i was like it's not supposed to be this way i was like

01:39:12.780 what's not supposed to be this way and then he just showed

01:39:16.420 all the the light it's like the lights are all separate now you're supposed to be together it's

01:39:24.760 supposed to be communion it's supposed to be that everyone's you know loving each other and you just

01:39:29.420 want to like kill each other he goes this this is not how it's supposed to be it was like it was

01:39:34.080 like a frustrated dad who was like this is like this is not how it's supposed to be this is not how

01:39:38.720 it's supposed to be and i was like oh okay you know this is so above my pay grade you know i don't

01:39:44.620 even know like and that's how i know it's not coming for me that i'm like if i could come up

01:39:49.680 with stuff like this people would think i was a genius you know this is not my brain and i'm so

01:39:54.820 smart and then i like go back under and then i come back up i hear this like scream and it was like

01:40:06.140 the scream of an enraged mom basically screaming at like the same situation so then you know

01:40:14.440 it takes years to put all this together and everything but that was like showing me the

01:40:18.740 masculine the logos and the the way like a father governs and then like the rage of a mom and the

01:40:25.200 children like are not getting together and you know the tension of the tension of male and female

01:40:31.400 and then i like i saw an old woman's face on a mountain i was like i don't even know where this

01:40:38.580 from i never read any books before this and that's pachamama so that's a different kind of entity

01:40:43.380 so in that case i saw like whatever whatever pachamama was the you know mother earth or

01:40:50.340 whatever and paganism that people describe it as so i'm just going you know back and forth

01:40:55.200 between flashbacks to my life wait so you saw a demon that others identified

01:41:00.800 a woman's head in a mountain yeah yeah pachamama i had no idea yeah i didn't i didn't do my research

01:41:07.380 before going in so i'd know like i so what you're saying is these are definitely not parts of your

01:41:14.040 subconscious that rose to the surface they're there yeah they're unless it's a parabola or

01:41:17.940 unconscious is you know there's a theory that that that our unconscious is generating our experience in

01:41:23.000 real time but it's not it wasn't me it wasn't a book i read it was because i was again like atheist so

01:41:29.340 every rationalistic argument they could say well you probably just like no i never studied

01:41:34.260 aztec culture and indian culture but i didn't know what pachamama was and so there was

01:41:41.760 they're like they're external entities so the the older figure you could say maybe well that was uh

01:41:48.280 the guardian and you read dante's inferno in high school right that was some thing in your

01:41:53.440 unconscious that surfaced but pachamama and other kind of entities were not so beyond my cultural

01:42:01.660 understanding or my my knowledge so yeah so then you're going like you're going back into that and

01:42:09.800 like you go through it really i mean it's not a pleasurable there aren't a lot of ayahuasca addicts

01:42:17.740 right is that true and it's not covered by medicaid no no they they're um which is which is a good

01:42:24.940 thing because i i don't know um a lot of you don't want to some fly-by-night shaman or you end up

01:42:29.840 with the wrong situation it's all in mexico right a lot of things can go bad they're um

01:42:34.020 they're they're different areas i'd south africa i'd done it before and how many times have you done

01:42:39.220 it nine ten times actually yeah they're um oh yeah they're it because it's just you go in and

01:42:50.020 the i had a lot of i had a lot of i mean i like i had a i had a lot of things that i had to beat out

01:42:57.140 of me i used to like just like we're earlier talking about how you you know a certain amount

01:43:01.820 of stoicism we all have which like i think is good and i think therapeutic culture goes too far

01:43:07.040 where you don't want to sit around and like talk about how bad it was being a kid but a lot of us

01:43:13.040 and i learned this dealing with a lot of a lot of veterans have done plant medicine uh i don't know

01:43:17.300 if you've seen in waves in war yet with ambus amber marcus mccone uh capone amber marcus capone

01:43:23.500 they're amazing so you have all these vets who were suicidal and then they a lot a lot of them

01:43:29.900 do ibogaine they go down to ibogaine clinic that's what vets is a charity i've sponsored um donated to

01:43:35.860 you know for a number of years and vet solutions and so with me the you you realize that like a lot

01:43:44.880 of what we do that we think of as virtuous is trying to we're trying to hide something from

01:43:51.140 ourselves we're trying to make it so that we can't be um vulnerable and so with veterans especially

01:43:58.180 they they you know they find out a lot of things that happened when they were kids and that's why

01:44:02.600 they became the men they were because you're driven by the sense that like i'll never be weak

01:44:07.160 and powerless again right i'll never be weak and powerless again which that's a good thing you

01:44:12.020 shouldn't be weak and powerless but if you have all this other stuff underneath that then maybe you

01:44:20.420 don't love your kids the way you're capable of or maybe you're afraid to love your kids and wife the

01:44:24.640 way you are because maybe you're you are afraid to be hurt and that's another aspect i think where

01:44:31.120 therapy culture has taken things too far where you're like oh let's like talk about our trauma

01:44:36.280 like all day and relive things whereas no like but maybe for a weekend you know yeah maybe spend a

01:44:42.980 weekend and talk about it and figure it out then and and work through it don't you don't have to like

01:44:49.240 live it so i just i had so many lessons on how how i was just a fool basically it's just a fool

01:44:58.200 well that sounds i mean i mean i love that my concern is if the demons are real

01:45:04.220 aren't you afraid they'll enter you that's that's the big debate right sarah from rose wrote a book

01:45:11.060 the soul after death so if you talk to josiah trunnum he would just say well this is demonic

01:45:15.340 in this pharmakia and absolutely like absolutely not that that's kind of my instinct it wouldn't even

01:45:20.700 be a debate yeah what there's there's really like no debate to be had and my my position is i always

01:45:28.800 warn people away from it because it's a monumental undertaking it's not just something that oh yeah

01:45:36.260 we'll go eat some shrooms and go take a hike in nature right it's not in the same world and a lot

01:45:42.360 can go wrong and it can disrupt a person's life well i've seen that yeah too with with uh people's

01:45:50.120 lives being destroyed by heavy duty hallucinations like in what way a friend who killed himself um

01:45:57.820 was from lsd but you know yeah wrecked relationships yeah lsd lsd is poisonous that they can cause a lot

01:46:06.740 of issues and the that's why it's more more or less like if you're the like the guys especially at

01:46:15.080 vets and amber and marcus and them work with these are guys that are going to kill themselves and

01:46:19.120 they're alcoholics most likely we're not we're not talking like oh i'm living like life is great

01:46:24.880 and i'm living in a state of love i'm gonna go drink ayahuasca this weekend right it's more like

01:46:29.260 or in my case where you're just being pushed there because i was living in such a state of folly and

01:46:36.560 delusion yes that there there was like no other way so in my in my belief i think god pushed me there

01:46:43.280 i think i think it was god and he showed me this is the only way that i can show you

01:46:49.240 that you are just not who you you are just a delusional fool and this is the only way that

01:46:56.780 we're gonna get through you yeah and the message like got through and then you know i have drank and

01:47:04.280 you know had more tea since then but it's not something that i that i do regularly so what about

01:47:09.340 the threat though of the demon entering you you said you had serpents inside you i should just say

01:47:15.460 i believe you but i mean the consequences of being i mean the first missionary trip jesus sends the

01:47:24.820 disciples on all he says is cast out demons the whole new testament's jesus casting out demons the

01:47:31.140 disciples casting out demons like that's completely real in my opinion yeah and the and but the

01:47:37.980 consequence of living my i was probably demon possessed before the ayahuasca because i was so

01:47:44.220 i'd been deluded by dark forces into thinking that i was something that i wasn't yeah so in my view

01:47:51.200 it isn't where oh i was such a holy person in my mind i would have thought i was yeah no it's like

01:47:58.840 the opposite where like whatever i was before that i'm not that way now and whatever path i'm on

01:48:04.620 is like about god and christianity and like trying you know finding more love in the world and divine

01:48:13.020 communion and just knowing that you're just not like uh you're just not a paycheck to your kids you

01:48:18.580 know and i didn't even treat him like i was just a paycheck but it was just some it was i would just

01:48:23.420 it was a glibness that i had yeah so it's just the the the ayahuasca has just burned out all the

01:48:29.440 glibness that i had where i can't even laugh at things sometimes i'm just like i just that's just

01:48:34.940 not funny i'm the way i'm like too serious it's like why are you laughing it's a very non-american

01:48:39.680 approach this is just not funny trump is so fun i don't care fuck fun i hate fun what do you mean

01:48:45.800 fun we don't get to have fun on this world fun you want to have fun what are you a little kid

01:48:51.480 right so it's it's driven it's driven all of that out of me in a way that i couldn't have reached

01:48:59.940 intellectually so how does it make you feel about death it may well one i know there's a judgment i

01:49:06.780 don't think there's a judgment i know there's a final judgment for sure really so for me it's not

01:49:12.980 even i think you're right but what convinced you of that because i just was in the spirit world like

01:49:16.820 i saw my divine judgment and my divine judgment was hell you know that was that was like my divine

01:49:23.120 judgment and so one is i just i know there's a final judgment to the point where when people

01:49:30.200 say oh you're whatever crazy whatever i don't even get offended i'm just like brother i was that was me

01:49:36.800 i was you i was you before this so how can i be upset with you for thinking this when that was what i

01:49:42.960 thought before then so like i know there's a final judgment i know the accounting is in the human

01:49:47.460 heart it's not the words it's not in what you say it's not in how holy you can be and how you can

01:49:54.420 tell everybody else they're not holy and you're you know you're mr holier than thou and everybody else

01:49:59.920 is a sinner it's your this the human heart is going to be weighed and measured by god in my opinion

01:50:05.860 it's jesus christ and you know in my opinion it's christianity and jesus christ but i'm but i'm not a

01:50:13.580 um i'm not into the apologetics where we argue in mind all day about like what it is i think the human

01:50:19.940 heart is going to be weighed that's something that that god's going to determine at the judgment i know

01:50:24.580 that i'm accountable for everything and i know having died like for all purposes like i have died i have

01:50:32.760 died and i know that when you die the only thing you're going to think about is the people you left

01:50:42.260 behind so all of this materialism and oh no somebody i'm i'm being picked on today on the internet or i'm

01:50:51.360 being canceled again or this and that like none of that came up actually what one funny thing that came

01:50:57.160 up was during one of my journeys i was like i was under and i saw some things i came up and it goes

01:51:03.500 whatever it it whatever that's what i mean i don't know what it is i still don't understand it

01:51:07.920 they said you know how blessed you are that you've been like attacked and everything they go you can

01:51:15.340 talk about anything that's right doesn't matter people are just like oh wow certainly if he talks

01:51:19.420 about ayahuasca we fucking knew he was crazy anyway you know like this is probably the least crazy

01:51:24.480 thing that he's like said all week whereas if i were more of like legitimate and respectable

01:51:31.140 then i would have to think well how's this gonna play how's this gonna play should i talk about this

01:51:36.620 should i tell tucker are people gonna clip this up and make fun of me what is this gonna impact my

01:51:42.620 standing with the administration and all the serious people in the world are they gonna

01:51:46.740 none of that comes up all that came up was arm are is my family gonna be okay that's the only

01:51:53.780 thing that i could think about so then you go from there well are they have you loved them do

01:51:59.320 they know you love them do you tell them that every day are you saying your prayers like every night

01:52:03.260 because tomorrow's not promised i could be in a car right now flip over and die in a second people

01:52:08.740 die all the time in a second we take it for granted charlie kirk is dead charlie kirk is dead

01:52:15.180 and that hurt me too that hurt me bad i haven't cried so much in the past three months in my whole life

01:52:22.180 and i don't care to admit i've cried about it you know i think that's a problem people have is

01:52:26.220 oh you know we don't it's like i don't know whatever a real man is i think i'm pretty pretty high up

01:52:32.220 there and i've been crying more in the past few months than i have my whole life combined and you

01:52:41.180 realize like charlie just died he just went went to work he's dead his kids don't see him they're not

01:52:45.080 with him at christmas we're on the internet arguing about fucking tyler robinson and was it the

01:52:50.980 masad or was it charlie's kids they don't have a christmas with them anymore they don't have a

01:52:57.620 christmas with them erica goes home to an empty house and then she goes on the internet and everybody's

01:53:02.260 just saying the worst things in the world about her she's not even my friend but she's a mom

01:53:05.980 there's the worst things in the world about her that and they had christmas without their dad

01:53:10.980 what's that like what's it like to have christmas without your dad a lot of people go through that

01:53:14.440 so do my do my kids know this might be our last christmas together but i'm gonna be here

01:53:18.980 i'm gonna try to make it home but if i don't make it home you know i love you you know i love you you

01:53:24.640 know that you're my world and that i'm obsessed with you and they never for a minute they never for

01:53:28.740 a minute have to wonder what like does dad love us is dad you know is dad good to us nobody my life

01:53:35.560 i text my friends the most dopey shit you know like love you man just thinking about you

01:53:40.100 just thinking about you i never never did that before just the dopiest like most sentimental

01:53:46.160 stuff that you can imagine hope you're okay how like think about all your friends you how all of

01:53:52.100 us have these man friends we're also you know mainly me when's the last time somebody's just like

01:53:55.880 hey bro i hope you're okay just thinking about you that's nothing i'm not uh not poetry but i just

01:54:01.920 oh i haven't talked to this guy in a couple months i'm sure he's doing fine maybe he's not

01:54:05.400 doing fine though maybe he's not why do we think everybody's doing fine right why why that's our

01:54:11.600 delusion that's the fault that's the fallacy everybody the the folly everybody's doing fine

01:54:17.380 and then you don't reach out and then you go oh well we shouldn't have seen it coming you know

01:54:21.440 maybe you wouldn't maybe you wouldn't have so i think i meditate on death i think about every day

01:54:27.000 every every day i meditate on it and it gives me uh a sense of of calming if that makes any sense

01:54:34.380 that's exactly right avoiding death is what makes you neurotic facing it makes you calm gives you peace

01:54:41.020 because that's the root of all fear obviously is the it's the fear of dying fear death and the fear

01:54:47.080 status and the fear of the the egoistic attachments that we all to our names our reputations

01:54:52.900 affect your relationship with your wife just like i'm like obsessed with my wife like i'm just a

01:54:58.700 simp for my wife which i wish if you you'd have to ask her but i don't know that she would have said

01:55:04.020 that was true you know or maybe necessarily like early on like all i think about is my wife and kids

01:55:10.400 like like if i make money like i don't even care i just like get rid of it you know get it to them

01:55:17.060 like what people like aren't you worried about your wife like leaving you or your kids i'm like i don't

01:55:21.660 care i mean i really like i don't care i i mean signing all your money over to your wife yeah yeah

01:55:27.020 you should do that yeah i mean i did it's the right thing no there's a lot of peace in that too

01:55:30.480 totally it's like you're gonna get blood from a turnip come after me and i've lived it you're

01:55:34.100 very very disappointed when you start tip me upside down and maybe you get a few quarters out of the

01:55:40.900 pocket so it's made me just it's completely like obsessed with her and the kids it's made me

01:55:48.680 like i've gotten much nicer even online than i used to be you know because you just think

01:55:53.940 so much of it is i'm not perfect you know because people can but i mean my god not even i'm not even

01:56:01.200 i wouldn't say i'm good let alone perfect but you just realize like maybe that guy's just having a bad

01:56:06.580 day you know the guy cuts you off that's right i'm mad i'm honking at him i'm gonna fight maybe that

01:56:13.680 guy's kid's dead dude maybe his kid is in the hospital and now i'm just adding so i'm always

01:56:19.460 about like i don't want to add to the trauma burden of the world what what like who knows what other

01:56:25.220 people and that doesn't mean i'm gonna let people walk all over me and everything but who knows what

01:56:29.260 people are going through man you just like you never know so i think i think about that all the

01:56:33.920 time like i don't have like i don't have any doubts that my kids know where we stand my friends

01:56:40.220 know where we stand the people who aren't my friends know where we stand because i don't have

01:56:45.080 time for like fake love and fake pleasantries and everything it's either like like it's real or it's

01:56:52.240 not it's not real there's just no point why even why even go into that middle space and i just my love

01:56:59.560 for my dad which was always very strong was like even stronger my empathy for my dad my mom you know

01:57:04.780 because you think about what you always think about what they did right to you because we're

01:57:09.740 the center of our own story because you have to be or you can't live i'm not i'm not diminishing that

01:57:14.260 but then once you start thinking about like what happened to them what happened to them that got them

01:57:20.720 right here and then suddenly you're like yeah man whatever my problems are my problems are what i

01:57:26.420 went through as i went through but every everybody everybody is going through that everybody's going

01:57:30.420 through something and then and then as that expands i think that's meaning and i think that's how you

01:57:35.580 connect more with god because yeah that's the divine communion empathy you know empathy is part of the

01:57:41.740 divine communion that's why charity is part of the divine communion that's why these are all taught by

01:57:46.860 christ even people who don't believe in them see the the logic in it is your it's just it's communion

01:57:53.600 with the divine and the better we are to each other the more in touch we are with the the divine and

01:57:59.800 the more that we fight and we bicker and we squabble and in the case of war we kill each other the

01:58:04.260 further the further away we are from god you know scott adams quite well he's facing death it sounds

01:58:12.540 like no no that's why i've been crying i've been telling you i've just been crying you know i saw

01:58:16.600 some video shauna sent me a video and he's like you know a lot of people don't know this but when i was

01:58:21.460 just starting off like mike cernovich like really helped me out and really boosted and which is true but i was

01:58:27.140 like he's on his death bed he's thinking about other people and i'm wrapped up in my own yeah

01:58:32.420 bullshit aren't we all every day yeah so he you know charlie's dead scott's dead we're all getting

01:58:39.200 older the you know there's tragedy all around us every day and you want to start thinking about your

01:58:45.680 own life and not that we don't already so with scott adams dying that's like a huge loss i was again i

01:58:55.220 had to leave my house because i was crying i was like not that i'm afraid to cry in front of my kids

01:58:59.600 but they'd be like why are you crying dad who's you know it's just like i just gotta i just gotta

01:59:04.560 take a walk and i'm just walking and i'm like which is another thing too i liked about that i

01:59:09.560 couldn't cry before i want you to like hold it in you know you hold it in and once you get good at

01:59:15.880 working with the plant medicine you learn it's just a wave man it's just a wave let the waves flow

01:59:19.920 why are we so afraid like why are we so afraid to cry by ourselves right like why if you're in a room

01:59:26.420 by yourself and things are surfacing whether you're with the plants or not with the plants

01:59:31.220 who's there to look at you other than god what are you afraid of i don't know what what are we afraid

01:59:36.400 of that is scary that's the that's the the ego in us that keeps us alive but also enslaves us

01:59:42.580 that's the part that desires the illusion of control so when you're when you're letting things

01:59:50.380 go you have to surrender control for a minute you do have to like lose your shit for a minute

01:59:56.180 and then that that part of the the egoism wants to wants to fight against that and wants to feel

02:00:01.600 like i you know i don't do this and then be dignified we don't do this like we don't cry it's

02:00:06.120 like well i mean i don't think it's healthy to cry around your wife all the time right it's not

02:00:10.600 right i'm not a good idea yeah i'm not saying walk around and like we're don't cry in front

02:00:14.300 of your wife all the time we're weepy you know we're weepy all the time but that's a recipe for

02:00:19.260 celibacy yeah yeah that's that's not that's not an ideal thing but like when my wife had a miscarriage

02:00:25.440 i like i cried the hell out of that i just in my office by myself and i cried and then i you know

02:00:30.380 when i noticed i started talking to people or i you know i wrote about it they're like oh i had a

02:00:34.860 miscarriage i was like why does nobody talk about this i know you can't talk about it that felt like a

02:00:39.760 kid died i was not even pro-life at that point i was like yeah politically kind of am and when we

02:00:47.360 had that miscarriage my kid died my kid is dead and from that i was like oh pro-life you know i just

02:00:54.060 i just was an idiot i didn't really understand that's such a common story though you hear from

02:00:59.520 people yeah you know but people don't talk about it well you're right yeah that's another thing and

02:01:04.080 then everybody's walking around holding everything in they're like why are people getting drunk why are

02:01:09.400 people doing opioids why are people why do you think because they're just like holding on to it

02:01:15.020 and then then they want to mask the feelings as they bubble up so they find alcohol or they find

02:01:21.740 drugs or they find pornography or they the devil loves that that's that's the thing too where i go

02:01:26.880 back and forth on the demonic thing with ayahuasca i was telling a friend about this actually i told a

02:01:31.720 friend and he goes he goes what are you doing this weekend i was like oh i gotta i'm doing some

02:01:36.540 fasting and i'm gonna do ayahuasca retreats like ayahuasca that's sounds dangerous and scary

02:01:40.680 and i go where are you going he's like i'm going to vegas and i go that sounds dangerous and scary to

02:01:45.780 me well you're gonna be amongst the drunks and you might get hit by a drunk driver and you might

02:01:50.640 drink too much and find yourself in a strange bed that to me but that's where the devil wants you

02:01:57.160 i agree because if you start looking at i like with the ayahuasca thing even having some experience with

02:02:02.340 it i'm talking myself out of it until the minute that i drink the tea up until that very second that

02:02:09.160 i drink the tea i'm thinking of every excuse in the world to not drink it because i don't want to

02:02:14.220 drink it i don't want to do it but if 10 years ago you said hey do you want to go some take take

02:02:20.000 some shots of vodka and other things about oh yeah that sounds like a great time of course so then

02:02:24.820 you have to that's where the discernment comes in and that's where it becomes a heavier question

02:02:28.480 well why is it that i want to do things that we know we're a sin that we know we're damaging and

02:02:36.060 i want to i'm excited for that but i don't want to do this thing that is like demonic with all of

02:02:43.400 my being i do not if the i do not want to ever drink ayahuasca for the rest of my life i do not

02:02:49.700 want to that doesn't mean i won't but i don't want to but why though why don't i want to well it's

02:02:56.680 it's because of the the spiritual awakening or the spiritual reckoning that happens and the

02:03:02.060 the realizations which fundamentally i think have made me more again i don't want to say a good

02:03:08.580 person but it certainly made me change my life and live differently have there been any downsides

02:03:14.820 you got to be comfortable spiritual spiritual confusion which we won so i have a certain there's

02:03:24.120 a certain like weight now that i have you ever hear that expression like the unbearable lightness

02:03:29.260 of being of course and it's like very california thing and everybody's all about lighten up man you

02:03:36.200 know chill out you should like learn to relax and i do and a friend of mine who found the medicine

02:03:43.980 after i did remember we were hanging out he came out to one cigar and he goes mike i was like yeah what's

02:03:49.940 up brother what's up he goes i don't know how to say this he goes but since drinking ayahuasca and

02:03:56.060 he's a christian he plays in his band you know in the he plays guitar in a band at church every Sunday

02:04:01.760 he goes so i don't know how to say i go oh you're like really spiritually confused right he goes yes

02:04:06.400 and i go what do you think i like know the answer he's like he goes all i'm thinking about is like

02:04:11.280 am i doing the right thing and there there's a there's a confusion but like in a good way

02:04:18.600 where i think that a lot of people think well i'm i'm a christian i'm saved i accepted jesus as my lord

02:04:24.900 and savior once saved always saved and then i'll just sort of live my life and maybe go to church

02:04:31.340 and try to be a good person or whatever but you feel like i'm a you know i'm a christian like i've

02:04:35.860 check the box whereas when you with the medicine i think it's the opposite where you're just on any

02:04:44.300 moment you're just waging against whatever sin the darkness and you're just like i don't know man i

02:04:52.440 i believe but i don't i don't really know what's going to happen i i hope i you know i hope i'm doing

02:04:57.640 the right things and that level of spiritual confusion i think is not meant for everyone so i don't think

02:05:04.680 most people are i think almost nobody should should drink ayahuasca i think almost no one should

02:05:09.740 i think it's only something that if a person feels like they're going to do it anyway and no amount of

02:05:16.260 persuasion for me is going to work then that's something to talk about but i don't think people

02:05:21.600 should should dabble in this kind of stuff really but if you're a vet and you're like looking at the

02:05:28.320 bottom of a bottle of jack daniels you got a gun next to you

02:05:32.280 let's get you to mexico you know let's get you to peru like that's that's a whole different

02:05:39.360 have you ever known anyone who's been made worse by it

02:05:42.320 worse is worse is a hard way of putting it because people go through phases so i've what happens with

02:05:51.960 some people unfortunately is because you are getting quote-unquote like downloads from the

02:05:57.220 universe people do kind of chase that download of the universe dragon versus like the hard work of

02:06:03.480 living in life right so drinking ayahuasca once you kind of have a hang of it it's never easy

02:06:09.800 but it's like you put on your space suit and you kind of know you know you kind of know like

02:06:14.680 you drink it and you can feel it moving through you and your hands start to feel like you have carpal

02:06:19.240 tunnel and right when you feel like you sort of stretch out you're like oh yeah i'm up the

02:06:23.540 medicine's about to hit and you can't direct the experience in an active way but you sort of know

02:06:29.340 what you're you're getting into the first couple times god help you and what people will do then

02:06:35.980 is rather than undertake the hard work of being alive the hard work is here the the realizations

02:06:42.740 that i had change how i live here but the hard work is still like i don't know this is a great

02:06:49.180 talk i'm gonna leave here i'm like i think that was a good talk and then i'm gonna be like

02:06:54.480 wrapped up about some business thing you know or mad about something that somebody did to me or

02:07:01.100 wondering about some you know uncertain thing and then the you know the demons come in and kind of

02:07:07.760 kind of steal your joy so the hard work is here and and planet earth why are we here that's again

02:07:13.600 goes to the meaning of life question the um like take the garden of eden story for example

02:07:19.400 even if it's not real why was it written i mean if it's not real it was written as a metaphor i suppose

02:07:26.740 why though to tell us about the nature of god and man that's one yeah but i think it's this is not

02:07:37.000 our home yeah right we just we know we don't we know we don't belong here right the the garden of

02:07:43.560 eden is whatever this is this is not like we were whether we were cast out of eden because we listened

02:07:50.780 to the serpent and we rejected god whether that's literal that's a metaphor the the underlying feeling

02:07:58.220 is that we are aliens on this planet yeah however we got here is a different question the new testament

02:08:05.040 says that a lot and we're just like stuck in these like bodies that don't want to cooperate

02:08:09.560 and that want to lead us to things that we on a spiritual level maybe don't want to do so

02:08:17.060 so that the only real downside that i've seen from people who have done the plant medicine although

02:08:23.720 there are bad stories like they're like i after i had a really big night and the guy said

02:08:29.120 you know if you're thinking about leaving your wife call me first and i go i love my wife more

02:08:37.000 than ever i was like it actually would be the opposite he goes okay he goes but you had a big

02:08:40.940 night so what happens is a lot of times that people have a big night the facilitator or shaman guy

02:08:47.340 isn't good or he's fly by night and you're just like oh i realized i'm not living the way i'm

02:08:53.260 supposed to and they just like up in their life yeah i know someone who did that yeah yeah so that

02:08:58.900 is a 100 a risk and that's why i'm always hesitant to talk about it because i don't want to seem like

02:09:05.980 i'm glamorizing it i want to like when i talk about ayahuasca i want it to sound kind of like foreboding

02:09:10.980 yes maybe you shouldn't do this you probably shouldn't do this you probably shouldn't you might

02:09:16.080 just blow up your whole life you probably shouldn't do it to to avoid people going in and saying

02:09:23.020 it's like no bro you didn't you were just bored right you were just bored and now you like destroyed

02:09:28.040 your whole life and the real the real work is the homework the homework is this what we got to do

02:09:34.160 here the downloads in the universe might feel great at the time or you might feel like you have all

02:09:39.600 this insight and connection to a super intelligence to superpower but you're still back here on planet

02:09:44.920 earth so why don't you spend more time here in this body and planet earth and figuring out the

02:09:50.560 best way to live your life has the experience made you more aware of like the spiritual realm

02:09:55.980 around you day to day i see everything as spiritual realm yeah every i see everything as being

02:10:02.180 interests entities trying to act upon humanity in some kind of cosmic war that we don't really

02:10:12.880 understand but for whatever reason humans are a very important part of it now my belief again is

02:10:17.620 the orthodox christian part which is like i accept the orthodox christianity story is a true one but

02:10:24.120 i'm just you know i'm trying not to be uh you know like i'm a priest because god no go to josiah

02:10:29.600 trentum or someone if you want a priest stay far away from me like that's people ask me religious

02:10:33.640 questions i'm like get away from me and find josiah trentum i feel the same way so far away from me please

02:10:40.140 i have no no standing yeah yeah get away so i'm just saying like my own belief is that

02:10:46.080 god created man we have bodies the demons envy us because they can't be satiated they don't have

02:10:53.620 bodies they hate us when they attack us that's their revenge against god so the demons are constantly

02:10:59.900 trying to use us they can't be satiated how in what way why do you say that because they're floating

02:11:05.320 around in a spirit they've been denied bodies so that they are roaming around like in a zombie kind

02:11:12.400 of state always thought that one of the hallmarks of like hell on earth is the inability to be

02:11:18.220 satiated satisfied full yes whether it's eating bad food or having the wrong kind of sex it's like

02:11:23.480 it's never enough or drugs or alcohol or insomnia yeah imagine yeah so they're walking around

02:11:29.700 in insomnia and they hate us they hate humans and they want to hurt us and they more importantly

02:11:35.620 want us to hurt each other to harm god that's how they see us because the demons think they're going

02:11:42.880 to win remember like if you're a christian we say well we know how the story ends god wins in the end

02:11:49.320 right the demons don't believe that though we believe that they don't believe it so they believe

02:11:54.900 that the they can turn us against each other they can get us to hurt each other they can like a lot

02:12:01.060 of demons enter people through traumatic experiences yes they believe they believe they're going to win

02:12:07.080 this is not and their minds they are the winners in the end they're going to win so they want to use us

02:12:14.460 to get us to harm each other because they see that as harming god more than anything else so we're

02:12:20.440 constantly being acted upon so i'm constantly like praying for discernment discernment discernment

02:12:24.880 discernment discernment am i being manipulated am i being led astray because i mean on a

02:12:31.300 political level i've been played before by people by sources not knowing it oh me too and then i find

02:12:37.820 out a lot yeah yeah so i'm so like when people tell me things like oh here's the truth about the

02:12:44.200 venezuela raid or here's the truth about israel or here's the truth about palestine it's like discernment

02:12:50.720 am i just being played because everybody wants you you know especially at your level that's what i was

02:12:55.040 telling telling you guys earlier like i think the lord above that i am not you that i'm not russell

02:13:02.400 brand that i am not tim pool that i am not any of you guys because i'm so weak and pathetic i

02:13:10.520 couldn't imagine if i had your guys yeah it's not you can say that you can brush it off but um i have so

02:13:16.320 many dogs and children that it's like i don't even notice but uh all right i make myself not notice but

02:13:21.180 no but i think anyone who's in a position where other people listen to him is under particularly

02:13:28.320 fierce attack constant no just imagine that the text like jd is that's right imaginable just like

02:13:35.560 unreal um because even sometimes i'm like ah you know i'll see something you said like i don't i don't

02:13:40.880 agree with that and i go man i'm not gonna be another guy texting tugger nagging him about please

02:13:45.940 do nagging him about something but no so i so there is the risk that

02:13:51.380 as you've seen happen a person is kind of an ayahuasca tourist they go in they go oh my whole life has

02:14:00.020 been a lie and therefore i'm just gonna like blow up my whole life don't do that like and if the

02:14:05.540 person you're with is not if the shaman or whatever the facilitator is not telling you like

02:14:10.860 don't do that then then you're in the wrong place but other but other than that and people getting

02:14:17.880 caught in the the trap of downloads i've seen like the biggest baddest men on the planet that just want

02:14:25.040 to like hug their kids and they went from ptsd and staring off into the void and drinking and

02:14:32.500 fighting with their wives and riding motorcycles too fast just for a rush and because frankly like

02:14:38.960 maybe they maybe it is a death wish of course it is right and then you take away responsibility

02:14:42.840 because you go oh i just got in a crash i didn't kill myself like some pussy you know i just got in

02:14:48.000 a wreck but really they're trying to kill themselves and just become like it's actually pretty it's

02:14:54.760 actually changed my view on a lot of this like real men don't cry and you see all this bravado

02:14:58.560 and i'm like dude i've cried with the delta force guy i've cried with the seal team six guy you are

02:15:04.720 not more whatever your definition of manly is you are like not more if you ever see like marcus capone

02:15:10.660 he's like this you are not more manly than marcus capone or dj shipley or any of these other guys

02:15:18.140 that that's like for sure so they're so i at the very least i do hope it because again i don't want

02:15:25.700 people to listen to this go to ayahuasca it's an immense that would be immensely damaging for

02:15:30.100 somebody to do that based on what i'm saying to me i don't want them to do it that wouldn't be a

02:15:33.920 nice thing to do to me but i do hope that people can say yeah what's the big deal like i'm by myself

02:15:42.440 in a room and i'm praying and i cry why am i holding it in who cares right and then find that find

02:15:49.300 that ego is the reason i think you're exactly right so last question we were in a period of

02:15:55.100 we're in a huge change period of course and one of the qualities of it is chaos it's just a chaotic

02:16:02.780 moment it's hard to understand especially if you're you know 50 and you've been watching this

02:16:07.780 stuff your whole life it's like all of a sudden this weren't this is a departure how much of that

02:16:13.140 chaos is like spiritual it always has been i mean you remember that song sympathy for devil

02:16:20.240 rolling stone of course what if that's not assault what if that's real right well it is real right so

02:16:26.760 in in my view that the the the jacobin terror the bolshevik revolution the spanish civil war what's

02:16:34.000 happening in ukraine yeah it's all the same it's all part of the same strain so i think that

02:16:39.140 we because again you're born into a certain period of time and then we tend to overweight the time that

02:16:45.220 we're in and we see it maybe in a different color than it should be we're not like your son isn't

02:16:52.320 getting drafted in the vietnam war we're not getting drafted in the world war ii we're not getting

02:16:56.300 drafted in the world war one i think that in terms of even though he's kind of a lamester steven pinker

02:17:03.140 is like better angels i think we were on the trend to towards a better world and we've seen that that's

02:17:09.220 been upended but that we're still in a good time and what we do want to have is our as our north star

02:17:16.160 is is like preserving order knowing that like we're going to have conflict but if we can find some kind

02:17:23.200 of allyship or alliance and that means everybody has to pull their own weight then we shouldn't give

02:17:29.840 into the rank or the infighting and i i used to be an infighter and like infighting a lot and i've cut

02:17:36.240 down on that by at least half it's a good new year's resolution mike sternovich that that didn't

02:17:44.180 go in the direction i'd anticipated was much better and more interesting and deeper thank you thank you

02:17:49.200 my pleasure

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 05, 2026

Tucker and Mike Cernovich on Nicolas Maduro’s Capture, Charlie Kirk’s Murder, and Battling Demons

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