The Tucker Carlson Show - Tucker on What the Violent ICE Protests Are Really About and What It Means for White America

00:00:01.000 Good evening. The single biggest political issue divided in the United States right now

00:00:07.060 is ICE. Minneapolis is a disaster tonight. There is widespread violence, mob violence.

00:00:15.760 There is political turmoil, chaos. Really, we're going to be going live there in a moment.

00:00:20.720 Nick Shorter, who's been covering all this and shot some amazing video, will speak to

00:00:24.620 one of the pastors of the church that was invaded by lunatics, by anti-ICE activists.

00:00:30.940 It really is the mobilizing force on the left, and it's the focus of much of the right.

00:00:35.900 And it's about a lot of different things. On the surface, it's about, of course, who has

00:00:40.520 authority over the borders. Does federal authority mean anything? It's about law enforcement.

00:00:46.640 To what extent can you pursue criminals in your own country? It's, of course, about immigration.

00:00:53.240 ICE standing for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, of course. But big picture, it's about something

00:01:00.940 much bigger, and that's why it's become such a passionate divide. The battle over ICE is really

00:01:07.840 a battle over demographic change in the United States. Who gets to live here? Which is always 1.00

00:01:15.800 and everywhere the fundamental question in any country. Who lives there? Who are these people?

00:01:21.080 What are they like? And in our country, that question has basically not been addressed out loud

00:01:28.880 for the past 60 years, even as the population of the United States has changed dramatically.

00:01:35.020 And that's one of the reasons the battle over ICE and its jurisdiction and what to do with all the

00:01:41.380 people living in the United States illegally has become so passionate and so fraught, because no one

00:01:46.740 is saying out loud is saying out loud what exactly this is about. And so as a first step to making

00:01:52.540 things better, it would help to see things clearly. So let's talk about what exactly is going on in the

00:01:59.920 United States and why it's led to the battles in, say, Minneapolis. What's happening in the United States

00:02:04.820 is a wholesale change of who lives here? Total demographic change. Now, some have called this

00:02:12.780 replacement. And the question is, is it really replacement? So we thought we would look it up.

00:02:19.700 If you were someone following along at home trying to figure out, you know, what is everyone so mad

00:02:23.920 about? What is this great replacement theory? You might go, as almost everybody does, first to Google and

00:02:30.800 just type in great replacement theory, and AI would come up with the following result. This is

00:02:35.260 hot off Google AI. Here's what it says if you look up great replacement theory on Google. We're quoting.

00:02:42.440 The great replacement theory is a debunked, meaning untrue, far-right, meaning Nazi, white nationalist,

00:02:48.800 meaning racist, conspiracy, claiming that white populations, particularly in Europe and the U.S.,

00:02:54.060 are being deliberately replaced by non-white immigrants and minorities, often orchestrated by 1.00

00:02:59.400 replacist elites, leading to demographic shifts and cultural erosion, fueling extremist violence and

00:03:04.760 anti-immigrant sentiment. That's one sentence, by the way, a run-on sentence, but it is AI.

00:03:09.780 And it's quite a sentence. And it tells you point blank, this is not true. Anyone who believes in it

00:03:15.640 is deranged and is stoking violence simply by believing in it. And it goes on to explain how this works.

00:03:23.880 The theory, quote, posits that mass migration, declining white birth rates, and political agendas

00:03:30.220 by elites are intentionally replacing white populations. It has inspired numerous acts of

00:03:36.740 mass murder, violence, with perpetrators often citing this theory. Research shows that endorsers of

00:03:44.760 the great replacement theory often hold anti-social traits, authoritarian views,

00:03:49.580 and negative attitudes toward minorities and immigrants. In other words, once again,

00:03:56.400 believing that the population of this or any other country is being manipulated by people in power,

00:04:02.140 and the people who were born here are being replaced by people who weren't, believing that

00:04:06.300 is not only wrong, it's misinformation, it's been debunked, it's also dangerous. You can kill people

00:04:14.940 by believing that. Well, how does that work exactly? It doesn't sound like a cool objective analysis of

00:04:24.400 the theory of replacement. It sounds instead like, well, a political screed, but maybe even more than

00:04:30.280 that, it sounds like an article of religious faith. You're not allowed to believe this. Only bad people

00:04:37.520 believe it. It's apostasy. It could lead to death believing that. And that seemed a little emotional

00:04:45.080 for us. So we decided instead to consult the science, because obviously we believe the science.

00:04:53.240 And the science, as always, begins with numbers, things that are quantifiable, that are measurable.

00:04:58.280 And one of the ways we know the truth about who lives here is through the census taken every 10 years.

00:05:04.020 It's in the Constitution. And that provides us not precise numbers, but a pretty accurate general

00:05:11.380 picture most of the time, and certainly over time, of who lives here. So let's start, because it's an

00:05:17.700 easy and obvious place to start, the beginning of the post-war era, peak America, 1950, the first

00:05:24.340 post-war census. And I think everyone would agree, whether they're right or wrong, that this is a period

00:05:29.800 remembered as the best time in America, 1950. The United States is an industrial power.

00:05:37.720 It's the leader of the West, if not really the world. And America domestically is pretty harmonious,

00:05:46.180 thriving, happy. Let's take a look at who lived in America in 1950. And let's do that by taking a

00:05:54.980 closer look at the population of the top six cities, which at the time were, and this tells

00:05:59.600 you a lot right here, New York was number one, Chicago was number two, Philadelphia was number

00:06:05.760 three, Los Angeles number four, Detroit number five, Baltimore number six. Kind of hard to imagine,

00:06:13.480 but in 1950, not that long ago, within living memory, those were the numbers. So here's what

00:06:16.640 they were. The biggest city in the United States then and now is New York City. New York City in 1950

00:06:22.260 was 90% white. 71 million New Yorkers out of 7.9 million were white. Chicago in 1950 was 86% white.

00:06:33.320 Philadelphia, over 80%. Los Angeles, 94% white. 94% white. That's almost an ethnostate actually at 0.57

00:06:40.420 that point. Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, home of Ford, GM, and Chrysler, 84% white. Baltimore,

00:06:48.600 steel and shipping capital of the mid-Atlantic, 76% white. That was 1950. You know people who

00:06:57.340 were alive in 1950. Maybe you were. Here are the numbers today. Baltimore, 27% white. Detroit,

00:07:05.080 about 10% white, down from 84. Los Angeles, again, 94%, about 37% white. Now, Philadelphia,

00:07:12.940 36%, Chicago, less than 30%. And New York City, again, the biggest city in the country is now

00:07:22.060 around 30% white, down from 90% in 1950. So you think to yourself, well, maybe these cities have 0.93

00:07:29.060 just shrunk and a lot of them have. Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, all much smaller

00:07:33.860 than they were. What's interesting is that New York is bigger than it was, but a million people

00:07:38.500 more live in New York than they did in 1950. And yet the proportion of whites has declined,

00:07:44.560 well, from 90% to 30, but so is the absolute number. New York has lost about 4 million white

00:07:53.560 people, even as it gained a million people in population. What is that? Now, in some of these

00:08:00.340 cities, there are economic reasons for this, right? A lot of African-Americans moved up from

00:08:05.840 the South to work at the auto plants in Detroit, to work at the harbor, at the shipyards, a steel

00:08:12.720 plant in Baltimore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But not all of it. And in New York City,

00:08:19.200 almost all the demographic change is the result of immigration. And that began in 1965, which is

00:08:27.540 definitely within living memory of a lot of people watching this right now.

00:08:30.560 So that's another and very long way of saying the Great Replacement is not only real, it's the 0.79

00:08:38.760 realest thing there is. And it's provably true. So why would they go out of their way to tell you

00:08:45.400 it's a debunked, far-right, racist conspiracy theory believed in only by antisocial lunatics who commit

00:08:53.360 mass murder? Well, probably because it's true. And in telling you that, whoever wrote that, 0.97

00:09:00.680 you have to ask yourself who would write that and why. And it's not just, of course, an AI in Google

00:09:05.160 or Wikipedia. It's everywhere. There's almost nobody who admits that that's true, even though

00:09:09.720 it's provably true. It's indisputably true. In fact, there's a list on Wikipedia of all the people

00:09:16.180 who believe in it, the thought criminals who believe this could possibly be true. Apparently,

00:09:21.100 people who don't have access to census numbers don't believe it's true. But, you know, the 19

00:09:27.040 figures in American public life who do have access to the census numbers somehow believe this is true.

00:09:32.460 But they're telling you it's not. But what they're leaving out, of course, is that demographic change

00:09:40.120 is a constant through history. And it is almost always mass demographic change. Turnover replacement

00:09:47.800 is almost always the result of human choice. Populations change because leaders decide

00:09:57.640 they should change. Population demographics, the question of who lives within the borders of a country

00:10:02.900 is not only a concern of leaders, of governments, it is the main concern. It's the main thing they

00:10:10.640 think about. So the rest of us imagine that the government concerns itself with collecting taxes,

00:10:17.200 schools, national defense. And those are all concerns. But we are thinking way too small.

00:10:22.840 The people who run countries, who map out the future of civilizations, think in much larger terms

00:10:29.740 than the rest of us. This is not a guess, by the way. This is true. They think in terms of who lives

00:10:35.340 here, what are they like, how many of them are there? And there are plenty of levers that they can

00:10:41.880 move to change those numbers. Obvious and not so obvious. War being the most obvious. Killing people,

00:10:48.300 unleashing pandemics on them. Obvious. Less obvious? Encouraging different ways of living.

00:10:54.520 Encouraging birth control or abortion. Scrambling the genders. 1.00

00:10:57.780 Encouraging women to work outside the home. Has one of the largest effects on demographics, 0.99

00:11:04.720 of course. Because women who work during childbearing years are much less likely to 1.00

00:11:09.240 have lots of children. In fact, many won't have any children. And that has proven true over time

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00:13:08.960 do this? Well, that's kind of the more complex question. They do it. They've always done it.

00:13:14.720 They would do it for a couple of reasons. One, to meet a short-term economic goal, or even a long-term

00:13:20.300 economic goal. Short-term might be who's going to pick the grapes in California. Oh, better get some

00:13:24.740 Mexicans. Understandable. Most people are familiar with that. Others might be longer-term adjustments to 0.99

00:13:32.540 changes that no one can really control, like AI. Oh, wait a second. We're not going to need as many

00:13:38.160 people here because machines are going to do a lot of the work. How are we going to support these

00:13:41.920 people? That might be another reason. And of course, there might be darker motives or more basic

00:13:47.800 motives, like the innate human desire to conquer other people, to replace your group with my group.

00:13:56.960 That's not a conspiracy theory. That's the entire story of history. Mass movements of people by force

00:14:04.360 has been a constant since the Babylonian captivity and probably before unrecorded. That is the story

00:14:11.460 of history. And it's all around us, but we don't even notice. The history of Ireland is that story.

00:14:17.400 Ireland, which is an island near England, was after Henry VIII, Catholic. England was Protestant.

00:14:24.680 The English took over Ireland. It was their colony. And in order to make it more compliant and to 0.97

00:14:32.720 control the people there and to impose their culture on a foreign people's, they moved many 1.00

00:14:41.440 thousands of foreigners into Ireland. There were the Anglo-Irish or Brits who moved to Ireland. That

00:14:46.160 was the ruling class of the country. There were the Scots-Irish who were moved from Scotland into Ireland,

00:14:52.280 and in so doing, a Protestant region of the country was created called Ulster. It's still there.

00:14:58.780 It's still at least half Protestant. And at one point, the Brits moved the Huguenots in the 17th

00:15:05.520 century from France. They were a mostly forgotten group now, but they were expelled from France during

00:15:12.120 the series of Catholic-Protestant religious conflicts that swept through Europe after Martin Luther.

00:15:15.980 And the Brits said, well, I've got an idea. Why don't you move to Ireland? And they moved them

00:15:21.800 to Ireland, mostly to Dublin. Why? To change the demographic balance of Ireland to make it easier 0.71

00:15:29.420 to subdue and to rub the noses of the people in their culture, to replace the culture, the customs, 0.99

00:15:36.460 the religion of the indigenous population, because they could. That's why. That's what people have done

00:15:43.200 throughout history. And by the way, then they went farther in Ireland, not to dwell in Ireland, but it's

00:15:49.280 very interesting, actually. Not only did they move all kinds of foreigners into Ireland to change the 1.00

00:15:55.740 demographic mix to effect a great replacement, they began to change the national monuments. Oh, that's weird.

00:16:03.380 Have you seen that before? St. Patrick's Cathedral in the middle of Dublin, got to be one of the biggest

00:16:08.780 Catholic shrines in Ireland. They made it Anglican. No longer Catholic, it's Anglican now. Jonathan Swift

00:16:19.000 preached there, actually, an Anglo-Irishman, and so did many others. But in the center of this

00:16:25.620 Catholic country, the colonial power moved non-indigenous people in, in order to make the

00:16:33.480 case, this is ours now. And you see that everywhere. When the street across from the White House gets

00:16:39.700 repainted in Black Lives Matter colors, it's kind of a species of that, right? When the Confederate 0.96

00:16:45.160 statues are torn down in Richmond and New Orleans, is it really an effort to improve the lives of local

00:16:50.560 black people? No. Of course, it didn't work, didn't have any effect. No. It was a matter of cultural 1.00

00:16:57.420 imperialism. We run this now. Down with your monuments, up with ours. It's Pride Week. It is the most 0.78

00:17:05.240 recognizable pattern in history. It's one people conquering another. It's what the Mongols did 0.99

00:17:13.360 in the 13th and 14th century. They swept through China. They swept all the way to Europe, of course,

00:17:19.440 across Russia, famously. And they completely changed the populations of half the world. It was the 0.99

00:17:26.200 largest empire in history by landmass. And along the way, they also did something that no one likes

00:17:31.880 to talk about. They raped a lot of women. Why'd they do that? Well, partly to spread their genetics. 1.00

00:17:37.300 Just a fact. We can say this because it was the Mongols. It was a long time ago. 0.95

00:17:40.400 So Genghis Khan, the head Mongol, the creator of that empire, has 16 million living descendants

00:17:52.820 in the world today. 16 million. That tells you what a prolific rapist he was. But why did he do

00:18:00.420 that? So he would have 16 million descendants. Of course, the rape of Berlin after the war,

00:18:05.880 the rape of Nan King at the beginning of the war. Untold mass rapes through history. These are acts

00:18:12.120 of violence and brutality and subjugation, of course. But they're also acts of demographic change.

00:18:17.580 That's what they are. Not endorsing that, decrying it. It's disgusting. But it's also real.

00:18:25.400 And it's happened throughout history. One people conquering another.

00:18:30.520 And these are decisions not made organically. Not like millions of people get together and decide,

00:18:38.800 let's change the demographics of a continent, a region. Let's destroy a people. These are 1.00

00:18:44.900 decisions made by leaders each and every single time. China takes Tibet. What's the first thing

00:18:52.080 they do? Move Han Chinese into Tibet. Why do they do that? Well, to subjugate, 1.00

00:18:56.520 to make a point. Ours is superior culture to yours. But also to control. Once again, 0.50

00:19:04.540 this is not a conspiracy theory. This is the story of recorded history. And it's a story

00:19:11.240 of the present day. Obviously. And only a country completely divorced from history, from human nature,

00:19:21.860 from reality itself, could ever fall for, ooh, it's a debunked, far-right, white nationalist

00:19:30.500 conspiracy theory. Really? No, it's not. It's just the opposite. It's the realest thing that ever

00:19:38.860 happened. And that's not even a judgment. It's just a fact. When you want to control a place,

00:19:47.120 you change the demographics. In 1947, Mandai Palestine, what's now Israel, was about 80% Arab.

00:19:58.020 The next year was what, like 32% Arab. The next year, after the War of Independence in 1948. I'm not 1.00

00:20:06.300 attacking anyone at all. But the point is, Israel was a majority Jewish country on day one. 0.97

00:20:15.280 That was the whole point of displacing everybody. We're here now. You're gone. It was a great

00:20:21.760 replacement. Not casting aspersions, just saying that all wars are, in effect, that. They're all

00:20:32.760 that way. Every one of them, including the one that we're living through that is undeclared that

00:20:37.300 no one will admit is happening because it's a conspiracy theory, but it's the realest thing that

00:20:41.060 ever happened. So then we get to the question of motive. Why is this happening? Why would you do

00:20:46.600 that? Why would you want to do that? Why would you want to hurt people and erase them? Well, the most

00:20:53.020 obvious motive would be power. And that's usually the motive or one of the motives. And in this

00:21:00.360 country, it's really clear that one of the reasons this is happening is because the Democratic Party and

00:21:06.560 their overlords who are not partisan, they're just the biggest shareholders in the country,

00:21:11.940 the richest people in the country, would like to have uncontested power. And so if you let in tens

00:21:18.680 of millions of immigrants, illegal aliens, over 60 years, you're probably going to reach a point where

00:21:28.940 they just openly participate in the political system, where they get a vote, thereby diluting,

00:21:35.940 replacing the voters who don't vote for you. This is clearly the plan. It's always been the plan,

00:21:42.820 part of the plan. And Stacey Abrams, who was a perennial candidate in Georgia and somehow very 0.84

00:21:48.640 famous, not exactly clear why, but had one sort of unique talent. She was dumb enough to say this

00:21:55.680 out loud. Here's Stacey Abrams in 2018. The blue wave is African-American. 1.00

00:22:03.360 It's white, it's Latino, it's Asian Pacific Islander. It is disabled. It is differently abled.

00:22:10.820 It is LGBTQ. It is law enforcement. It is veterans. It is made up of those who've been told that they

00:22:19.880 are not worthy of being here. It is comprised of those who are documented and undocumented. 1.00

00:22:25.680 She's rolling. She's trying to remember who's in the coalition. The ableds, the, what do we call 0.99

00:22:34.580 them? Crippled? No, no, no. Differently abled. Differently abled. She's like going through the 1.00

00:22:39.000 litany. White, black, Latino, Pacific Islander, people from Fiji, the gays, sorry, LBGT, PQ, 1.00

00:22:47.720 questioning whatever. The documented, the undocumented. Oh, wait a second, Stacey Abrams.

00:22:55.060 Did you just say that illegal aliens are going to vote in elections, federal elections? I think

00:22:59.980 that's against the law. No, whatever. You can't stop her. It's Stacey Abrams. No one has the brass 1.00

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00:25:34.820 But she's just saying out loud what everybody knows. Everybody's always known. The reason that you move

00:25:40.000 people in is so you get more votes. And anyone who thinks that's not true isn't being honest with

00:25:50.340 himself and isn't being reality-based. This is not about the economy. Why would you, five years ago,

00:25:57.480 at the beginning of the Biden administration, when you know, because you're promoting it,

00:26:00.980 that AI is right around the corner, and we're going to need a lot less labor really, really soon,

00:26:05.340 and we're talking about, oh, wow, I guess we're going to have to give people guaranteed income

00:26:10.900 because they're just going to have nothing to do all day. At that exact moment, why would you move

00:26:15.600 in tens of millions of low-skilled laborers with eighth grade education? It's like, what are they

00:26:19.880 going to do? No one even addressed the question because it had nothing to do with why they were

00:26:23.620 brought in. It wasn't to help the United States. And of course, mass migration has not helped the 0.93

00:26:29.200 United States. One very obvious point that lingers in the air, you don't even want to address it

00:26:33.880 because it's so depressing, is how are those six cities we mentioned at the outset doing today in

00:26:39.280 2026? The six biggest cities in the country in 1950? Again, it was New York, Chicago, Los Angeles,

00:26:49.600 Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore. I mean, there are nice places in some of those cities. Some of them

00:26:57.560 are just slums, actually. And there are complicated reasons why manufacturing died. Some of those are

00:27:03.300 big manufacturing hubs, of course. Immigration is not the only reason. Nothing is ever the only

00:27:09.860 reason. But all of those cities were completely changed by immigration and they all got way worse, 0.94

00:27:15.580 much worse, like much, much worse. Philadelphia, really? Baltimore? Detroit? So it didn't help.

00:27:22.980 And in some places, like Los Angeles, it just destroyed the city completely and destroyed the

00:27:26.300 state. Completely destroyed the state. You want to know what's wrong with California? Too much

00:27:32.000 immigration. It was an amazing state in 1980. I remember it well. You wouldn't want to live there 1.00

00:27:37.200 now. And because the governor's like a white liberal, you sort of forget that the people

00:27:44.420 who live in California look nothing like the people who lived there in 1980 at all when it was the least

00:27:49.160 corrupt and most functional state with the best schools and the lowest poverty rate. It now is more

00:27:53.260 poverty than any state. It's got more immigrants than any state. There's just a one-to-one. 1.00

00:27:57.460 So, and it's not an attack on the immigrants at all, many of whom are hardworking and nice. Some

00:28:04.320 of whom are not hardworking or nice, but a lot of them are. Latin immigrants tend to be pretty great

00:28:09.560 when you know them. Enthusiastic participants in the economy. But taken as a whole, immigration 1.00

00:28:18.360 totally destroyed California. Just flat out. No other factor. Meaningful factor. That's the single

00:28:23.680 biggest factor in the destruction of California. And you're ordered to pretend that didn't happen.

00:28:27.780 Oh, but it did happen. And one of the facts was, as noted, it gave Democrats complete control over

00:28:34.220 the state. Complete. It's a one-party state. Period. And you often run into Republicans from Santa

00:28:39.800 Barbara or Orange County or up near Mount Shasta from Reading. You know, and they're as conservative

00:28:44.920 as anybody who's ever met in your life. There's some real right-wingers in California, but they have no

00:28:48.400 say in anything because they control nothing because of immigration. It's literally that simple.

00:28:54.240 So, it works. And that model will be repeated unless someone puts the brakes on immediately

00:28:59.480 across the country. So, there are 14 states plus D.C. as of tonight that have no voter ID laws.

00:29:06.560 And in some places, you're not allowed to ask for voter IDs. It's flat out. But in 14 states,

00:29:10.500 you need no identification in order to vote. Why is that? Well, so illegals can vote. 0.90

00:29:14.420 It's literally that simple. It's not more complicated than that. So, illegals can vote.

00:29:20.440 And that means you have no power if you're a native-born American, if you're an actual 1.00

00:29:25.800 citizen of the country. Because your vote is being canceled and in places like California,

00:29:30.200 completely overwhelmed by people who aren't from here who have no right to vote, but they're 1.00

00:29:33.240 voting anyway. And what's interesting is that of the 14 states with no voter ID law,

00:29:38.780 three are in the top five biggest states by population. Three out of our top five biggest

00:29:48.540 states have no voter ID law. That's enough to make those states Democrat. By the way, for the record,

00:29:55.980 those would be California, number one in all categories, Illinois, and Pennsylvania have no

00:30:03.000 voter ID. So, that's enough to swing a presidential election. Sorry, it is. And there's

00:30:08.760 no way to stop it unless you were to ban and then enforce voting with no ID. You'd have to enforce

00:30:14.420 it. But at this point, we're not enforcing much. And we'll show you how little we're enforcing in

00:30:20.420 just a minute. No one is enforcing the law in a lot of parts of the country. It's becoming,

00:30:26.100 in fact, an insurrection. And we'll show you that in a minute. But to the second motive here,

00:30:30.500 which is inescapable, and it's almost, it is uncomfortable to talk about, but it is the subtext

00:30:34.340 behind a lot of this, is racial triumphalism, is hatred, is loathing for the people being

00:30:41.920 replaced, which doesn't make intuitive sense. Why would you be mad at people you're replacing? Well,

00:30:47.720 it's not clear. There are obviously spiritual components here too, which probably no mortal

00:30:51.800 understands, but they're real. They're evident. What is this? Why would you do that? Why would

00:30:58.380 you make, would you totally change the population of Australia, New Zealand? Why would you totally

00:31:02.380 change Canada? Great Britain? Every English-speaking white country is becoming non-white at very high 0.99

00:31:09.740 speed, faster than at any time probably since the Mongol invasions. So why would you do that? And what

00:31:17.000 happens when you do that? Well, it's interesting, and this is a feature of human nature, and it's not

00:31:22.860 just white, black, Hispanic, it's probably all races, but this is just true. Former majorities don't get 0.99

00:31:29.800 treated well. In fact, you really can't think of a case where a people has gone from majority to

00:31:36.940 minority and then was treated well. It just kind of hasn't happened, including in this country, by the

00:31:41.880 way. The American Indians, not treated well. Carted off to Oklahoma. Had to walk, actually. No carts. 1.00

00:31:49.260 What happened to the white minority in Zimbabwe? They voluntarily relinquished power,

00:31:54.460 then they were killed. South Africa, they're in the process of being killed. They voluntarily, 0.87

00:31:59.440 once again, voluntarily relinquished power. They had nuclear weapons in 1994. Gave up the nuclear

00:32:03.860 weapons, gave up power, went to majority rule system. It was a peaceful transition. De Klerk and

00:32:10.920 Mandela, you remember the scenes from 1994? How'd that end? Well, it's not over yet, but the persecution

00:32:18.020 of the people formerly in power began very, very quickly. How did it wind up for the Palestinians?

00:32:24.880 As noted, they were 80% of Israel in 1947, 30% in 1948. How's it gone for them since? Not well.

00:32:34.100 A lot have been killed, and it's complicated. They did bad things too. By the way, the Indians scalped a

00:32:40.080 lot of people, and apartheid was bad. I mean, there are lots of lenses through which you could view this, 0.83

00:32:46.320 but if you stand back, former majorities who become minorities tend to be killed. You hope that's not 0.99

00:32:55.800 true, but it seems to be. And it's especially distressing when you look at the attitude of

00:33:05.260 people in the United States who are pushing for mass demographic change. And just to put a tighter

00:33:11.700 focus on it, people who are pushing for an end to the white majority. Oh, it's white supremacists to

00:33:20.580 say that. No, it's not. It's an acknowledgement of reality. And by the way, if you're looking for

00:33:26.460 hatred, it's not a lot of white supremacists, well, even visible in public. Where are all these white 0.59

00:33:33.100 supremacists we keep hearing about? But the people who are concerned about total demographic change don't

00:33:38.800 seem like the hateful ones. It's the people espousing it who have a weird gleam in their eye

00:33:44.260 and a detectable loathing in their voice. And very often, and this may be the darkest feature of it,

00:33:52.900 it's not just hatred, it's self-hatred. And keep in mind that anyone who will hate himself will have

00:33:59.660 no problem at all hating and hurting you. Here's Nancy Pelosi a few years ago. Keep in mind,

00:34:06.980 she was the Speaker of the House, third in line to the presidency. And this is part of a speech

00:34:12.960 she gave on the House floor about demographic change. Watch this. 0.99

00:34:17.360 I'm reminded of my own grandson. He's Irish, English, whatever, whatever, and Italian-American.

00:34:28.020 He's the mix. But he looks more like the other side of the family, shall we say?

00:34:32.460 And when he had his sixth birthday, he had a very close friend whose name is Antonio,

00:34:41.800 who's from Guatemala. And he has beautiful tan skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest.

00:34:49.100 And this was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his cake,

00:34:56.320 they said, did you make a wish? And he said, yes, I made a wish. He said, well, what is your wish?

00:35:00.440 She said, I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.

00:35:06.220 So beautiful. So beautiful. The beauty is in the mix. The face of the future for our country

00:35:12.860 is all-American. And that has many versions.

00:35:19.960 Imagine saying that. I mean, she's obviously a sub-genius, hasn't thought this through.

00:35:24.880 But this is her own grandson. And he turns to her and says,

00:35:29.060 Grandma, I wish I wasn't born white. I wish I was born with different eye color, different skin tone. 0.99

00:35:36.680 I wish it was something that I'm not. I wish God didn't make me this way.

00:35:39.780 Imagine if your own grandson said that it would break your heart.

00:35:43.880 It would break your heart. And by the way, it's only on this topic,

00:35:46.520 I wish I wasn't white, that that's okay. 1.00

00:35:48.240 If her grandson had said, Grandma, I wish I wasn't gay,

00:35:52.420 she would have smacked him in the face with a ruler. 0.99

00:35:54.680 You were born gay. Enjoy it. 1.00

00:35:58.500 But when he says, I wish I wasn't white, she says, you're right. 1.00

00:36:03.080 It's good to want to be Antonio and not be yourself, not be what God made you.

00:36:08.040 Her own grandson.

00:36:11.480 If she'd been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me,

00:36:15.480 my granddaughter had a white Barbie doll and said, 0.97

00:36:19.560 Grandma, I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes. 1.00

00:36:22.620 All of us would say, well, that's awful.

00:36:25.140 God made you like this.

00:36:26.880 It's sad to want to be something that you're not.

00:36:29.040 You should be comfortable with the way you were made.

00:36:32.120 Isn't that a kind of foundational modern American belief?

00:36:35.560 Except when you're white, it's beautiful when you hate yourself. 0.90

00:36:40.280 That's what she's saying.

00:36:41.560 That's what she said on the house floor.

00:36:43.400 She became the speaker of the house twice.

00:36:48.300 So she speaks not simply for herself, but for a lot of people,

00:36:54.000 including a lot of whites like her. 1.00

00:36:57.660 And by the way, that's not compassion.

00:37:01.140 That's hatred.

00:37:03.080 That's saying to a six-year-old, no, you were born the wrong way.

00:37:07.960 You are fundamentally flawed.

00:37:11.020 There's nothing you can do about it.

00:37:12.220 You're not as good as Antonio.

00:37:15.960 Okay.

00:37:18.120 There's hatred.

00:37:19.220 That is hatred.

00:37:22.600 And it expresses itself.

00:37:25.240 By the way, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore,

00:37:27.180 and she grew up there when it was 85% white.

00:37:29.820 How is it now?

00:37:33.520 She doesn't go back very often, apparently.

00:37:35.800 Things around the world are moving so fast right now,

00:37:39.180 it's impossible to keep up with all of the changes.

00:37:42.720 But we do know that when those changes happen,

00:37:45.980 markets change too.

00:37:47.380 And nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals,

00:37:51.060 gold and silver.

00:37:52.020 It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction

00:37:55.420 to and against what's happening in the world.

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00:38:44.320 But in New York City, which went from 90 to 30,

00:38:49.800 from 1950 to present, probably less than 30, for real,

00:38:55.160 the new mayor, everyone's focused on his foreign policy views.

00:38:58.860 How does he feel about Israel?

00:39:00.460 Who cares?

00:39:02.400 How does he feel about white Americans?

00:39:04.140 Well, we know because he says,

00:39:06.540 well, I'm going to tax them more because they're white. 1.00

00:39:09.720 The new head, his new rental authority lady,

00:39:13.140 said recently, white people own too much.

00:39:16.680 They should rent like everyone else.

00:39:19.020 Really?

00:39:20.480 That's not justice.

00:39:21.700 That's not equity.

00:39:22.540 That's hatred.

00:39:23.300 That's undisguised hostility toward people for how they look.

00:39:29.320 But because they are increasingly a defeated people,

00:39:32.360 that's not only okay, it's encouraged.

00:39:34.720 You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.

00:39:39.660 Not because you're a white supremacist and love only white people.

00:39:43.060 That's insane.

00:39:44.420 God made every person.

00:39:46.320 Every human being was created by God, period.

00:39:50.480 It's not a matter of loving only people who look like you,

00:39:53.540 loving only whites or blacks or whatever.

00:39:55.300 It's a matter of not hating people on the basis of how they were born.

00:40:01.220 But these dynamics don't change much

00:40:03.560 because there's something in people that wants to crush

00:40:06.980 and humiliate the vanquished.

00:40:10.640 Every single time.

00:40:12.400 And you'd like to think that this nation

00:40:15.560 is exceptional in the sense that that wouldn't happen here,

00:40:19.840 but there's no evidence of it at all.

00:40:21.700 As whites become a smaller proportion of the U.S. population every year,

00:40:27.340 louder become the calls to hate whites.

00:40:30.140 More open becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of violence.

00:40:35.080 Crimes against white people like,

00:40:36.760 well, I don't know, the perpetrator was black, you're white. 0.95

00:40:38.780 Like, every single American knows

00:40:42.380 those crimes are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as the reverse.

00:40:47.580 Everyone knows that and accepts it.

00:40:49.900 Oh, big mistake to accept that.

00:40:52.400 If there's no such thing as equality under the law,

00:40:55.780 if you can be punished more lightly or more severely

00:40:59.960 based on your race, your ethnicity, your religion,

00:41:02.640 we're all in trouble, all of us.

00:41:04.820 First of all, we're all degraded

00:41:05.940 because that's the definition of immoral.

00:41:09.300 Blood guilt is not real, despite what our leaders tell us.

00:41:12.940 And it's totally possible that you and your group,

00:41:16.120 your community,

00:41:17.280 are going to wind up on the wrong side of that someday.

00:41:21.160 But for right now, it's very obvious

00:41:23.260 that whites are on the wrong side of that.

00:41:25.200 And you can tell by the behavior of the people at the ICE protest.

00:41:28.820 So this was Minneapolis just a couple of nights ago.

00:41:31.260 This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white 0.99

00:41:33.660 because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in America

00:41:38.440 with a sizable white population,

00:41:40.440 running into a church

00:41:42.960 and threatening the parishioners in the church.

00:41:46.980 And you've probably seen footage of this,

00:41:48.300 but listen carefully to the clip you're about to hear.

00:41:51.420 And you can hear effectively racial epithets

00:41:56.220 aimed at white people.

00:41:57.680 So two things are going on here.

00:42:00.600 One is the protesters, of course, hate Christianity.

00:42:02.540 And they hate whites, white Christians. 0.81

00:42:07.600 Now that's familiar, very familiar.

00:42:10.820 There's a lot of hatred toward white Christians.

00:42:12.720 Now, where does that come from?

00:42:14.560 It's obviously spiritual at its root, like everything.

00:42:20.020 Hard to understand exactly why that group is targeted

00:42:24.260 around the world, but we know that it is.

00:42:27.680 Certainly that's one of the primary motives

00:42:32.060 in going to war against Russia,

00:42:33.840 destroying Ukraine, completely destroyed. 0.70

00:42:36.400 Ukraine was destroyed by the West, by the way.

00:42:38.960 It was destroyed by Washington and Brussels

00:42:41.000 who pushed Russia into this war.

00:42:44.040 They wanted this war. 0.90

00:42:45.020 They said they wanted this war.

00:42:46.040 They got the war.

00:42:48.200 Very few of their people have been killed in the war,

00:42:51.360 but hundreds and hundreds,

00:42:52.440 but likely over a million Ukrainians

00:42:54.620 have been killed in this war.

00:42:55.640 You think Ukraine will be majority Ukrainian 0.97

00:42:59.060 in a hundred years?

00:43:00.460 You think the land in Ukraine

00:43:01.960 will be owned by Ukrainians in 20 years?

00:43:04.560 No, of course not.

00:43:06.900 It won't be Russia that did that.

00:43:10.820 It'll be the West. 0.98

00:43:12.180 And you have to wonder why.

00:43:13.380 Well, the fact that Ukraine was white and Christian,

00:43:17.240 one of the last big concentrations

00:43:18.760 of white Christians on the planet, 0.78

00:43:20.220 maybe that had something to do with it.

00:43:21.280 Of course it did.

00:43:23.700 Obviously.

00:43:25.640 That's not a far-right conspiracy theory.

00:43:28.480 It's the truth.

00:43:30.740 So the same attitudes that did that,

00:43:33.800 that are at work in Canada, Australia, New Zealand,

00:43:36.180 and very much here in the United States,

00:43:37.840 were sort of distilled in the clip you're about to see

00:43:40.920 from a church a couple of days ago in Minneapolis.

00:43:43.100 Watch this.

00:43:43.540 I'm not going to comment here.

00:43:54.080 Why are you not at Whipple every day

00:43:55.740 fighting for the humanity,

00:43:57.200 standing for our people?

00:43:58.540 Where are you?

00:43:59.380 You drink your coffee,

00:44:00.600 you got your jewelry,

00:44:01.680 you have your nice clothes,

00:44:02.940 but what do you do?

00:44:03.640 What do you do to stand for your Somali and Latino communities?

00:44:06.140 I'm not going to comment here.

00:44:07.140 You have no comment?

00:44:07.860 Exactly.

00:44:08.760 Say your name good!

00:44:12.060 Say your name good!

00:44:13.940 Say your name good!

00:44:14.720 Rene good!

00:44:15.820 Say your name good!

00:44:16.720 Rene good!

00:44:17.420 All these comfortable white people 0.60

00:44:24.160 who are living lavish, comfortable lives

00:44:26.600 while children are dragged into concentration camps.

00:44:29.420 You're living real nice lives with your lattes,

00:44:31.660 doing absolutely nothing for your Latino 1.00

00:44:33.420 and Somali brothers and sisters.

00:44:35.440 You come here to a man wearing a suit as a preacher?

00:44:38.440 Did Jesus wear a suit?

00:44:39.460 Did Jesus profit off the words?

00:44:41.420 No!

00:44:42.080 Jesus would die within you.

00:44:43.580 You do not touch me.

00:44:44.600 Touch me again and see what happens.

00:44:46.140 You are a fake Christian! 1.00

00:44:48.840 Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities?

00:44:52.000 Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day

00:44:53.900 protesting this attack on humanity?

00:44:56.240 Where are you?

00:44:57.180 You're sinners!

00:44:58.260 You're pretending to be Christians! 1.00

00:44:59.700 But we know you live an easy life, don't you?

00:45:01.480 A very easy life while people are starving!

00:45:04.320 Shame!

00:45:05.740 Man.

00:45:07.580 Is that man capable of violence?

00:45:09.120 Well, he's committing it, of course.

00:45:12.340 Disrupting a church service?

00:45:13.920 People who mean no one harm?

00:45:15.900 Who are committing no crime?

00:45:17.180 Who've done nothing wrong screaming at him for being white Christians? 0.64

00:45:21.920 That's it right there.

00:45:23.660 That's it right there.

00:45:27.260 And you should know that that's not the last clip like that you're going to see,

00:45:31.460 not just tonight, but in the future,

00:45:34.100 because that's the animating spirit behind what you're watching.

00:45:39.120 No one is making an economic case for mass migration.

00:45:41.780 Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens of millions of illegals in this country 1.00

00:45:47.420 because there isn't an economic case for it.

00:45:49.320 There is no case that begins with,

00:45:51.720 let me tell you how this will make our country better.

00:45:55.160 No one even makes that case.

00:45:57.960 The case they're making is we are replacing the people who founded this country,

00:46:04.860 who built the system for themselves, by the way,

00:46:08.660 with a brand new people who have very little in common with those people.

00:46:14.080 And why are we doing that?

00:46:14.920 Because we hate those people.

00:46:18.720 And it's not just deranged protesters who are making that case.

00:46:22.000 So are former CNN anchors.

00:46:24.900 Here's Don Lemon, who was part of that protest.

00:46:27.640 He was covering it in the way that journalists often cover events.

00:46:30.780 They help organize those events.

00:46:33.640 They're their foot soldiers.

00:46:34.920 We're just covering it.

00:46:36.820 Okay.

00:46:38.080 Here's Don Lemon going on some podcast with angry middle-aged rich ladies 1.00

00:46:42.980 to talk about how virtuous it is to scream at whites in Minneapolis.

00:46:48.940 Watch this.

00:46:49.820 There's a certain degree of racism there.

00:46:51.600 And there's a certain degree of entitlement.

00:46:53.040 I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that,

00:46:56.400 it's not the type of Christianity that I practice,

00:46:58.840 but I think that they're entitled.

00:47:00.220 And that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy.

00:47:04.580 And they think that this country was built for them,

00:47:06.720 that it is a Christian country,

00:47:07.780 when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom.

00:47:10.600 It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian 1.00

00:47:13.000 and only if you're a white male.

00:47:15.560 Huh?

00:47:16.640 I mean, it's hard.

00:47:18.420 You don't ever want to take Don Lemon literally

00:47:21.100 because he's disconnected from reality.

00:47:24.760 And you could say, well, actually, he's got a white boyfriend

00:47:26.800 and he lives in the Hamptons.

00:47:28.640 Who's entitled here?

00:47:30.780 But it's fruitless.

00:47:32.500 And it diminishes you to rebut a Don Lemon rant

00:47:36.200 to some facelift lady on the specifics 1.00

00:47:39.960 because the specifics don't matter

00:47:41.820 because it just doesn't make any sense.

00:47:43.880 It doesn't need to make sense.

00:47:45.860 All you need to understand is the spirit behind it,

00:47:48.620 which is hate.

00:47:50.200 Hate and resentment and the desire for revenge.

00:47:54.240 That's what this is.

00:47:55.220 And there's no other explanation

00:47:57.800 that anyone's even offered up

00:48:00.400 other than you somehow have an obligation

00:48:02.080 to hurt yourself.

00:48:04.520 And so really, it's time to just be completely honest.

00:48:07.500 This is an act of hatred and aggression

00:48:09.560 toward the population of the United States,

00:48:14.260 American citizens, people who were born here,

00:48:16.260 people whose grandparents were born here.

00:48:18.080 They are hated by the people in charge

00:48:20.660 and have been for a long time.

00:48:23.500 And the plan, which is pretty close to completion, actually,

00:48:28.140 it's not a distant goal, it's like almost here,

00:48:31.200 is to replace them, render them powerless,

00:48:34.340 and if people like Don Lemon have any say over it,

00:48:38.020 hurt them.

00:48:38.780 Just listen to what they say.

00:48:40.660 You don't have to conspiracy theorize.

00:48:43.700 Just open your eyes and listen,

00:48:45.880 and you can tell what they have planned for you.

00:48:48.080 Because it's happened in a lot of places.

00:48:50.140 It always happens.

00:48:51.980 And so these are fights worth having, actually,

00:48:55.460 because it's not about preserving racial purity.

00:49:01.460 It's about preserving your country

00:49:03.560 in recognizable form,

00:49:05.580 preserving your life and the lives of your children.

00:49:09.100 If all of a sudden you lived in a country

00:49:11.660 where 60% of the people agreed with Don Lemon,

00:49:14.240 how do you think you'd do?

00:49:15.400 Oh, not well at all.

00:49:19.660 And not only would you be stripped of your possessions,

00:49:23.000 not only would your children be grounded into the dust,

00:49:25.420 you'd be lectured as it happened,

00:49:27.080 lectured about how you deserved it.

00:49:28.720 This is what you get for the sins of your ancestors.

00:49:31.240 The blood guilt people would start lecturing you about it.

00:49:34.520 You'd be treated like the Palestinians in Gaza. 1.00

00:49:37.000 It's the same idea.

00:49:38.140 It's the same idea.

00:49:40.960 You're responsible for the sins of your ancestors 0.97

00:49:43.600 because blood guilt is real.

00:49:45.520 There couldn't be a more anti-Christian worldview than that. 0.57

00:49:48.260 It's one of the reasons they hate Christians, 1.00

00:49:49.560 because they stand in the way.

00:49:51.760 So because profound questions underlie this argument over ICE,

00:49:58.440 the stakes for us have suddenly become existential,

00:50:02.840 and the behavior of the people involved in this has become extraordinary.

00:50:08.980 And all of this adds up to a pretty remarkable,

00:50:12.300 pretty shocking scene tonight in Minneapolis,

00:50:15.260 ignored by most people in the media,

00:50:18.880 but not by Nick Sorter,

00:50:20.200 who's a freelance journalist who's been just taking videos of what he sees.

00:50:23.660 This is a video that he just shot of a group of friends of Don Lemon's

00:50:29.960 breaking into a law enforcement vehicle

00:50:32.320 and stealing the weapons out of the back of it.

00:50:34.340 It's about two minutes long.

00:50:35.440 Watch this whole thing for a more precise sense of where we are right now.

00:50:46.340 Oh, wow.

00:50:47.260 Oh, my God.

00:50:55.080 Oh, my God.

00:51:06.440 So you hate to go right to the obvious and say storming of the Bastille,

00:51:15.140 but whenever you've got a crowd of violence-bent extremists

00:51:22.080 stealing government weapons

00:51:25.480 and running off into the night without being arrested,

00:51:28.120 you have the potential for revolution

00:51:30.880 and then great bloodshed in the aftermath of that.

00:51:35.280 So it's almost so obvious it doesn't bear saying out loud,

00:51:39.360 but we will anyway because we love the obvious.

00:51:41.400 You have to stop this now or else things will fall apart.

00:51:46.060 Nick Sorter is the man who shot that video and he joins us now.

00:51:50.420 Nick, can you, first of all, thank you for doing that.

00:51:52.840 This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public.

00:51:57.500 What did we just see?

00:51:59.060 Can you give some context?

00:52:02.260 Yeah, so, Tucker, what I'll tell you is this happened not far from downtown Minneapolis.

00:52:06.080 So there are police everywhere all the time, right?

00:52:10.240 I mean, it's a pretty concentrated area with police.

00:52:14.520 And these rioters had two hours, two hours, to go through multiple FBI vehicles.

00:52:21.640 There's another vehicle that was parked right behind this one where they were able,

00:52:25.540 they had enough time and they weren't worried about Minneapolis police showing up.

00:52:29.240 So they took a tow strap out of the back of a pickup truck, mounted it to and tied it around

00:52:34.780 the weapons locker in the other vehicle, mounted it to the pickup truck and yanked it out that way.

00:52:42.200 And they're not worried at all about any repercussions from Minneapolis PD.

00:52:46.980 As soon as it happened, I went over to Minneapolis PD, who I figured out were about a block away from there,

00:52:54.520 and I gave them the information, I gave them the description of the individual,

00:52:58.460 I gave them the video, I let them take a picture of the person's face,

00:53:02.460 I gave them the license plate number, as well as the car that he was in.

00:53:06.580 This guy that just stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle.

00:53:13.940 They chose not to go after the vehicle that they could see down the street.

00:53:18.280 He hadn't even left yet.

00:53:19.820 But these cowards that are at the higher ranks of MPD,

00:53:24.280 that are under people like Jacob Fry, who was basically Mayor Soyboy,

00:53:28.580 that's what I prefer to call him at this point,

00:53:31.840 are, they've been cucked.

00:53:34.000 I don't know how else to say it, Tucker.

00:53:35.600 They, if you knew in a city in, let's say, rural Georgia,

00:53:41.500 that somebody just stole an automatic rifle, and you see them in your sights,

00:53:46.660 those sheriff's departments are going to go after them immediately.

00:53:48.820 They're not going to let them get away.

00:53:50.420 Not in Minneapolis, that's not what happens.

00:53:52.320 They let them go out into the wild.

00:53:54.660 And, of course, there were no legacy media networks there,

00:53:58.740 not like, you know, ABC, NBC, or anything.

00:54:01.580 As soon as it gets a little dicey, they run away.

00:54:03.960 So it's up to people like me in a disguise that have to go in there and film this.

00:54:08.840 There are no cops around.

00:54:09.960 And, Tucker, even if you did call 911, which I did multiple times,

00:54:14.000 you get zero assistance.

00:54:15.620 It doesn't matter the amount of death threats that are being screamed at you

00:54:18.380 in the background on the call.

00:54:20.500 When I got robbed the other day by a gang of Somalis, 1.00

00:54:24.300 they stole over $1,000 worth of camera equipment from me.

00:54:27.520 I called 911.

00:54:29.060 They didn't ask me, are you in any danger right now?

00:54:31.480 I was bleeding from the arm after being dragged down the street by the vehicle.

00:54:35.920 No, the question they asked me was, are you white, Hispanic, black, or Somali?

00:54:40.860 That was one of their biggest concerns.

00:54:42.880 And it still took them 30 minutes to come to the scene.

00:54:45.480 But that's like my fourth 911 call in the past three weeks out in Minneapolis.

00:54:50.220 And it's the first time they actually responded.

00:54:52.720 So the fact that they responded in 30 minutes,

00:54:55.160 I was actually surprised that they came out.

00:54:58.200 I'm shocked by everything you've just said.

00:55:00.300 I do think we run the risk of misinterpreting people like Jacob Fry.

00:55:07.360 Obviously, they're feminized. 1.00

00:55:09.120 Everything you said is true.

00:55:10.200 They're craven.

00:55:11.180 They're weak.

00:55:12.140 But there's also a will to power there.

00:55:14.400 I mean, this is Trotsky.

00:55:15.980 Okay, this is the looting of the armory.

00:55:18.120 This is the way that people like Fry,

00:55:21.180 and there are many people like Fry,

00:55:22.740 gain power, which is through violence.

00:55:24.520 It's through the mob.

00:55:25.220 It's through mob action that they become more powerful.

00:55:27.960 So it's not just that he can't stop it because he's too weak.

00:55:31.560 He wants it.

00:55:32.500 Just as the governor of the state of Minnesota and his creepy Winnie Mandela wife, 1.00

00:55:38.880 you know, breathe deep the smell of burning tires during the George Floyd riots

00:55:42.380 because revolution means power to them.

00:55:46.080 And so it feels to me, just from the footage that you shot,

00:55:48.380 that things are getting completely out of control.

00:55:53.400 They're totally out of control, and they have been for several weeks now,

00:55:57.300 but this is exactly how Tim Waltz wants it right now.

00:56:00.360 I'm being totally upfront with you, Tucker.

00:56:02.360 I truly believe this.

00:56:03.920 This is the best case scenario for Tim Waltz

00:56:07.740 because what were we talking about?

00:56:09.540 The reason that I was out there already when this shooting happened,

00:56:12.880 after the woman tried to run down an ICE agent with her vehicle, 0.95

00:56:16.820 I was already out there because we were talking about the Somali fraud. 1.00

00:56:20.200 So the riots, the unrest in the streets, the assaults on ICE agents,

00:56:25.060 the just nonstop around-the-clock mayhem

00:56:28.420 is the only thing that has distracted everybody

00:56:33.100 from continuing to be able to talk about the billions of dollars worth of fraud

00:56:37.940 that have been enabled under Tim Waltz.

00:56:40.420 And we have to get back to that.

00:56:43.040 We can't let that go away.

00:56:44.820 But in the meantime, we also can't allow ICE agents

00:56:47.900 who are taking rapists and child molesters

00:56:50.600 and all of these violent illegals off the street. 0.77

00:56:53.680 We can't just leave them hanging as well.

00:56:56.200 And so I'm pretty much going to move to Minneapolis at this point,

00:56:59.780 and that is not a place I want to be.

00:57:01.720 It was such a nice city.

00:57:03.580 It was famously a Swedish city, so I knew about it.

00:57:06.160 And it was a really, really nice place not that long ago.

00:57:09.520 It's unrecognizable now.

00:57:11.560 And immigration is one of the main reasons for that. 0.99

00:57:14.900 It's just true.

00:57:16.420 Can I ask, where were the FBI agents

00:57:18.140 as their automatic weapons were being stolen?

00:57:22.440 So that is a fantastic question,

00:57:26.300 which I haven't really, you know, with the...

00:57:30.160 I'm a big supporter of the FBI.

00:57:32.460 I think they do great things.

00:57:33.760 I don't like the fact that we're just abandoning federal vehicles in the road.

00:57:40.640 However, especially when there's a riot going on.

00:57:43.980 However, these guys need some reinforcements out here, right?

00:57:47.880 There are way, way too many rioters

00:57:50.820 that just vastly outnumber federal agents.

00:57:55.540 So that's why I keep calling for troops here.

00:58:00.000 Military police, federalizing the National Guard,

00:58:03.640 even Insurrection Act.

00:58:04.620 Whatever you have to do to protect these guys,

00:58:07.020 there aren't enough federal agents to protect...

00:58:08.960 They got pushed back.

00:58:10.280 They got forced all the way back,

00:58:11.620 and that's why their vehicles ended up being outside of the perimeter at that point,

00:58:14.740 because the vehicles were parked several blocks away

00:58:17.060 from where the shooting happened,

00:58:19.400 I believe last week when that illegal Venezuelan came out an agent with a shovel, right? 1.00

00:58:24.820 And tried to hit him with the shovel, 0.83

00:58:25.820 and they had to shoot him in the leg.

00:58:27.400 And so once that perimeter shrunk,

00:58:29.160 because they don't have enough manpower,

00:58:31.140 that left those vehicles exposed.

00:58:33.920 And, you know, the FBI...

00:58:36.140 Like, I'll give them a lot of credit for this,

00:58:37.980 because they know that Minneapolis PD is not going to do anything.

00:58:43.740 They're not going to protect independent journals like me

00:58:45.780 when I was robbed by that Somali gang in the road. 1.00

00:58:48.220 This is breaking here just now.

00:58:50.220 Like, they just...

00:58:50.880 Kash Patel just called me, like, right before I did the hit on the show.

00:58:54.100 So they found my camera.

00:58:56.860 They have recovered the camera that was stolen.

00:58:59.360 And that's only because they jumped in

00:59:01.260 knowing that Minneapolis PD was going to do nothing about it,

00:59:04.380 because in reality, Minneapolis PD...

00:59:07.000 They don't want people like me here,

00:59:09.000 because I'm documenting all of their failures.

00:59:11.120 I'm documenting the fact that they are letting

00:59:12.880 these third-world invaders run free through the streets, 1.00

00:59:16.880 committing, you know, billions of dollars' worth of fraud

00:59:19.420 in broad daylight, and nothing is being done about it.

00:59:23.180 They hate people like me being here.

00:59:25.480 And so I appreciate the FBI and Kash Patel

00:59:28.400 stepping in and recovering that camera,

00:59:31.660 because it definitely wouldn't have been done by the city.

00:59:34.860 They told me very specifically, Tucker,

00:59:37.060 when the police finally responded after 30 minutes,

00:59:39.640 and I'm still sitting there bleeding from being dragged by a vehicle,

00:59:43.320 they told me that I was in the wrong

00:59:45.480 by being in that area,

00:59:46.940 and told me I had to leave that area

00:59:49.220 because I had no business in that area.

00:59:51.160 I have a hell of a lot more business in that area

00:59:53.340 than anybody else that's there at this point, okay?

00:59:56.100 This is the United States of America,

00:59:57.760 and I am not going to be terrorized

00:59:59.960 out of leaving an American city

01:00:02.360 because they want to surrender it

01:00:04.340 to a bunch of third-world pirates.

01:00:05.920 I'm just not going to do it.

01:00:06.920 Well, you have as much connection to Minneapolis, really,

01:00:09.720 as Jacob Frey does.

01:00:11.100 You know, he's from New York.

01:00:12.200 He's not, or I think he's actually from suburban D.C.

01:00:14.720 He's not from there at all.

01:00:16.420 He has no roots there at all.

01:00:17.480 He just showed up to foment revolution

01:00:19.060 and to increase his own power, obviously.

01:00:23.740 They haven't improved the city in the slightest.

01:00:25.920 It's gotten much worse under his so-called leadership.

01:00:29.760 So who do you call?

01:00:31.700 I mean, if FBI's vehicles get looted,

01:00:34.800 there are no FBI agents.

01:00:36.920 They're there to protect their own vehicles.

01:00:39.100 By the way, don't they have an obligation

01:00:40.220 to make sure their automatic weapons

01:00:41.740 don't wind up in the hands of criminals?

01:00:43.560 Like, aren't they supposed to protect their own vehicles?

01:00:45.940 They're the FBI.

01:00:47.600 No offense.

01:00:48.220 I think you're letting them off a little lightly here.

01:00:50.560 Like, so here you have the FBI

01:00:51.680 putting automatic weapons into our communities.

01:00:53.880 Are we for that?

01:00:54.520 I'm not.

01:00:55.320 But how do you respond to that?

01:00:58.620 Like, if you called FBI,

01:00:59.660 hey, they just stole your machine guns.

01:01:01.040 You guys should get on this.

01:01:01.840 Wake up, son.

01:01:02.360 Yeah, so I immediately went to the FBI

01:01:06.520 and informed them as to what happened

01:01:08.340 because, like, I'm not even sure

01:01:09.520 they would have known about it immediately.

01:01:12.520 I mean, there were no...

01:01:13.460 Like, I'm the only one that got footage

01:01:14.780 of the guy that stole it.

01:01:15.820 And I mean, he was a little bit retarded, 1.00

01:01:18.240 I guess I'm going to say,

01:01:19.120 because he, like, took his mask down

01:01:21.140 and you could say he had Latin King's tattoos

01:01:22.680 all over him.

01:01:23.340 So, I mean, it was pretty easy to find the guy

01:01:26.080 and they found him by the next morning.

01:01:27.540 But, yeah, I would say, like,

01:01:29.640 the fact that federal law enforcement

01:01:32.300 feels like they're in a position

01:01:33.540 where they just can't go back in

01:01:35.720 and guard these weapons

01:01:39.500 that were in the back of the vehicle,

01:01:41.240 yeah, that was definitely concerning to me.

01:01:43.040 I cannot excuse that in any way, shape, or form.

01:01:45.920 I know the weapons locker

01:01:47.300 that was pulled out with a toe strap

01:01:49.000 after two hours...

01:01:50.360 And that's another thing, Tucker.

01:01:51.320 It was two hours that this was going on

01:01:52.840 and nobody was doing anything about it.

01:01:54.220 The one weapons locker was empty

01:01:58.520 to the dismay of the rioters

01:02:01.620 that had spent so long trying to get into it.

01:02:04.360 But, you know, I really want to stress the fact

01:02:07.700 that these guys need more support.

01:02:09.900 They need more assets on the ground

01:02:13.040 to protect them while they're running operations, right?

01:02:15.440 I mean, these FBI agents that are out there,

01:02:19.160 like, FBI agents, DHS agents,

01:02:21.820 they're not trained in crowd control, right?

01:02:24.220 That's not their job.

01:02:26.360 But there are federal resources to handle that.

01:02:29.600 And we're not using them.

01:02:30.780 We're putting them on standby.

01:02:32.600 And I'm sorry, like, I'm a big supporter

01:02:34.320 of the Trump administration.

01:02:35.280 I think they're doing a fantastic job.

01:02:37.000 But I'm a little worried that we're sleeping

01:02:39.220 on what's actually going on in Minneapolis

01:02:41.940 because some polls came out saying that,

01:02:44.840 oh, well, some people don't approve

01:02:46.220 of what's going on with ICE operations.

01:02:48.820 And so, like, the administration is a little bit fearful,

01:02:52.200 I think I'll say, of deploying troops into the streets

01:02:57.160 to restore order because they don't like the poll numbers

01:03:00.540 that are coming out.

01:03:01.340 And you know what?

01:03:02.420 80 million people voted for this to happen, right?

01:03:06.000 I personally think maybe those poll numbers,

01:03:08.380 if they're even real,

01:03:09.700 some of the reason that people say

01:03:10.920 they're not approving of the job that ICE is doing

01:03:14.240 is because they're not deporting enough people, right?

01:03:17.900 You go and talk to people in middle America.

01:03:20.440 I'm from Kentucky originally, Tucker, right?

01:03:22.300 So I gauge my dad, who's an HVAC technician down there

01:03:25.120 and all his friends.

01:03:25.780 Like, I try to get their opinion

01:03:26.920 on just people that are just normal,

01:03:29.480 everyday blue-collar people.

01:03:31.760 And they're all saying the same thing.

01:03:33.440 Like, they're not seeing any arrests.

01:03:35.380 They're not seeing the deportations

01:03:38.280 that they were asking for.

01:03:39.780 So if the poll numbers are dropping,

01:03:41.860 that has a lot to do with it.

01:03:43.020 Not because people think that ICE

01:03:44.300 is being too aggressive.

01:03:45.520 So I think those numbers are being misinterpreted.

01:03:48.160 I mean, I've spent,

01:03:49.440 I'm not attacking anyone,

01:03:50.300 but the last three weeks hearing

01:03:51.400 how we have the greatest military in America,

01:03:53.900 which, I mean, in the world,

01:03:55.120 which sounds right.

01:03:57.060 We're all grateful.

01:03:59.340 But like, if the Maduro raid had been this pathetic,

01:04:03.420 it would be a national shame.

01:04:05.960 Where are these people who are so skilled

01:04:08.660 at taking out foreign leaders in our country?

01:04:13.020 Like, one of our great cities is collapsing.

01:04:17.020 They're stealing automatic weapons

01:04:18.940 from federal agents

01:04:19.760 and no one's doing anything about it.

01:04:21.500 Like, where are the people we pay

01:04:24.320 $1.5 billion a year

01:04:27.120 to maintain this empire?

01:04:29.080 Where are they when we need them here?

01:04:33.060 Trillion, Robert.

01:04:33.440 Yeah, I think you meant $1.5 trillion, Tucker.

01:04:35.820 Trillion, sorry.

01:04:37.420 Which is a lot.

01:04:38.500 I can barely even pronounce the words, Nick.

01:04:43.420 It's so much money.

01:04:45.000 And you're like, okay, well,

01:04:46.200 and I tweeted about this the other day

01:04:48.500 where I said, you know,

01:04:49.680 because people were like,

01:04:50.240 oh, well, why aren't you covering

01:04:51.220 what's happening in Iran?

01:04:52.240 Because I don't care.

01:04:53.600 I don't care.

01:04:54.540 We have a huge American city

01:04:56.380 that's under siege actively

01:04:58.240 on boots on the ground

01:04:59.640 being attacked every single day

01:05:01.540 by these people in the streets

01:05:03.560 and so are ICE agents.

01:05:04.820 Like you saw today even,

01:05:06.800 Bovino, the Border Patrol commander,

01:05:08.860 is out there

01:05:09.440 just trying to go get snacks

01:05:11.580 at the Speedway.

01:05:12.740 And they can't get out of the parking lot

01:05:14.600 with his team

01:05:15.240 because there are 20 or 30 vehicles,

01:05:17.500 literally 20 or 30,

01:05:18.900 following him around,

01:05:20.080 boxing them in,

01:05:21.100 and coming up and assaulting them.

01:05:23.300 And so they have to use tear gas

01:05:24.620 to get out of parking lots.

01:05:26.120 Like we need the manpower.

01:05:28.120 I mean, how many tens of thousands

01:05:29.600 of active duty troops do we have?

01:05:31.600 Why do we need to worry

01:05:32.480 about Iran right now?

01:05:34.060 Why do we have to worry

01:05:34.960 about any other country in the world

01:05:36.780 besides right here?

01:05:38.440 I don't care about the politics anymore.

01:05:40.740 I don't care if, you know,

01:05:42.480 the left and the Democrat Party

01:05:44.380 are going to be like,

01:05:44.980 oh my goodness, this is fascism.

01:05:46.900 By enforcing federal law is fascism.

01:05:50.000 I don't care about that.

01:05:51.220 I'm watching it in real time.

01:05:52.860 I'm watching these guys

01:05:54.040 that go out there every single day

01:05:55.980 and put their lives on the line

01:05:58.100 to deport these child rapists

01:06:00.980 and literal murderers,

01:06:02.640 people with murder warrants

01:06:04.620 out of foreign countries

01:06:05.860 that we're just letting out

01:06:07.460 into the streets out here.

01:06:08.880 They need the support.

01:06:10.460 They're on a mission here

01:06:12.340 and we're not giving it to them.

01:06:14.220 I know we put 1,500 active duty troops

01:06:17.100 from Alaska on standby

01:06:20.080 and I believe another thousand

01:06:21.340 of military police in North Carolina

01:06:24.060 on standby as well for the Pentagon.

01:06:26.880 They haven't been deployed yet.

01:06:28.700 So my question is,

01:06:30.300 what are we waiting for?

01:06:31.760 What has to happen

01:06:33.000 before we can deploy them?

01:06:34.820 Does an ICE agent need to be killed?

01:06:36.360 Does a journalist need to be killed?

01:06:38.000 What needs to happen?

01:06:39.020 What are we waiting on?

01:06:40.440 It's a war zone out there

01:06:41.640 every single day.

01:06:42.680 Last question.

01:06:45.820 I mean, ICE is there.

01:06:48.220 FBI is there.

01:06:49.440 Military is not there.

01:06:51.440 They're worried about Iran, apparently.

01:06:53.580 So important, Iran.

01:06:54.640 So important.

01:06:56.360 What about local police?

01:06:57.840 I mean, Minneapolis is a major city.

01:07:00.540 Minneapolis, St. Paul.

01:07:02.940 Why aren't they restoring order?

01:07:05.160 Like, have you seen local police

01:07:06.700 respond to the rioters?

01:07:08.060 No, and so that's one of the biggest issues

01:07:12.660 that we see out here.

01:07:13.260 First of all, the reason that I'm doing this

01:07:14.720 in front of a plain gray background

01:07:16.380 is because for hits that are longer

01:07:17.820 than five minutes that are live,

01:07:19.700 I have to do them somewhere

01:07:21.240 where nobody can find me

01:07:22.540 because they will track me down

01:07:24.140 and if I call the police,

01:07:25.520 nothing will be done about it.

01:07:26.480 I've written them off.

01:07:27.220 They're totally useless

01:07:28.100 and that's it.

01:07:29.820 They're done.

01:07:31.040 When it comes to what I was covering,

01:07:34.100 just for example, in Louisiana,

01:07:35.460 you have Governor Jeff Landry down there

01:07:37.020 that is, you know,

01:07:38.720 supporting the ICE operations

01:07:40.120 that are happening down there

01:07:41.020 in New Orleans, Shreveport,

01:07:43.300 all the surrounding area,

01:07:44.840 like across the entire state of Louisiana.

01:07:47.240 And so they have state troopers with them

01:07:50.020 and those state troopers,

01:07:51.520 I was not able to tail Bovino

01:07:54.580 when I was trying to cover

01:07:56.880 the deportations down there

01:07:59.240 because they would pull me over

01:08:01.440 for, you know,

01:08:03.340 turning right on red without stopping

01:08:05.200 or something behind the police vehicles,

01:08:07.940 right?

01:08:08.620 But in Minneapolis, St. Paul,

01:08:10.880 and the surrounding area,

01:08:12.260 the police have been,

01:08:13.940 they have been directed

01:08:15.760 and ordered not to enforce

01:08:18.220 any traffic laws

01:08:20.220 or crimes that are committed

01:08:23.140 in the presence of ICE

01:08:25.360 or Border Patrol

01:08:26.360 because they want these people

01:08:28.080 running red lights

01:08:29.460 at 80 miles an hour.

01:08:30.520 It's so brazen now

01:08:32.620 that they're live streaming

01:08:34.340 these crimes that they're committing

01:08:35.600 where they don't have lights

01:08:37.240 and sirens or anything,

01:08:38.120 these activists

01:08:39.600 that are posing as journalists.

01:08:40.920 They wear press on their chest

01:08:42.040 because, you know,

01:08:43.020 that all of a sudden

01:08:44.180 exempts them from laws, apparently.

01:08:47.220 They're not real press.

01:08:48.220 They're activists.

01:08:49.660 And they're like passing buses,

01:08:51.760 school buses,

01:08:52.380 around blind corners

01:08:53.620 at 80 miles an hour

01:08:55.100 in residential neighborhoods,

01:08:56.300 blowing through red lights and stuff.

01:08:57.520 But police are being told

01:08:59.240 not to pull them over,

01:09:02.060 not to interfere

01:09:03.240 with the activists at all.

01:09:05.020 I'm surprised nobody's

01:09:06.040 been killed by it yet.

01:09:07.460 But if they were just to do that,

01:09:09.420 if they were just to enforce

01:09:10.560 traffic laws,

01:09:11.620 then you wouldn't get

01:09:12.560 20 to 30 cars

01:09:13.760 following and impeding ICE

01:09:16.300 and Border Patrol all the time.

01:09:17.800 But the problem is

01:09:19.040 that's what they want.

01:09:19.800 They want them to be impeded.

01:09:23.120 Is there, I mean,

01:09:23.520 is this city,

01:09:24.660 are people acknowledging

01:09:25.500 this is happening?

01:09:26.280 I mean, is the mayor

01:09:27.880 giving press conferences

01:09:29.140 about it,

01:09:29.780 what they're going to do

01:09:30.300 to fix it?

01:09:31.120 Is the governor

01:09:31.700 on television in Minnesota?

01:09:34.040 Like, what is this just

01:09:35.760 is anyone noticing this?

01:09:38.900 Yeah, so they're definitely

01:09:40.780 on TV,

01:09:42.100 Mayor Frey and Tim Waltz,

01:09:45.500 but they're saying

01:09:46.720 exactly what you would

01:09:47.500 expect them to.

01:09:48.280 They're talking about

01:09:49.400 if you see ICE,

01:09:51.760 call 911.

01:09:52.760 You had Chief O'Hara,

01:09:54.420 the Minneapolis police chief,

01:09:56.100 which I actually,

01:09:57.600 I tried to ask him

01:09:59.380 a few questions

01:09:59.900 downtown the other day

01:10:00.780 when he ordered

01:10:01.300 all of his men to retreat

01:10:02.440 after some riots downtown.

01:10:05.640 They, like, literally

01:10:06.180 came in, ran away.

01:10:08.420 It's all on video,

01:10:09.580 and they were fleeing.

01:10:10.520 One cop tripped over

01:10:11.940 his squad car

01:10:12.680 because he was so frazzled

01:10:14.060 by people throwing

01:10:15.380 snowballs at him.

01:10:17.140 And this guy,

01:10:18.540 you could even see him,

01:10:20.080 this leftist police chief,

01:10:21.540 on TV behind the mayor

01:10:24.120 who had just said,

01:10:26.200 yes, if you see ICE

01:10:27.280 in the area,

01:10:27.740 you called 911.

01:10:29.300 So the 911 system

01:10:30.600 is, like,

01:10:31.260 totally useless

01:10:32.240 at this point.

01:10:32.980 If you're being stabbed

01:10:34.040 to death

01:10:34.520 in the street,

01:10:36.040 mugged,

01:10:36.580 whatever,

01:10:37.100 in downtown Minneapolis,

01:10:38.960 you're probably not

01:10:39.960 going to get an officer

01:10:40.960 responding to you

01:10:41.720 anytime soon

01:10:42.460 because the 911 lines

01:10:44.120 are flooded

01:10:44.820 with people calling

01:10:47.220 911 on ICE

01:10:48.240 because that's what

01:10:48.940 they've been told to do.

01:10:50.600 And so this inquiry

01:10:51.560 by the DOJ

01:10:52.560 into Mayor Frey

01:10:54.560 and Tim Waltz

01:10:56.260 is totally fair

01:10:57.400 where they are conspiring

01:10:58.680 to obstruct ICE operations.

01:11:01.600 And, you know,

01:11:02.220 how many innocent people

01:11:03.360 have suffered

01:11:04.160 because of that

01:11:05.640 at this point

01:11:06.500 over the past three weeks

01:11:07.620 that this has been going on?

01:11:09.060 But, Tucker,

01:11:09.560 you go outside

01:11:10.500 of the Minneapolis-St. Paul area,

01:11:13.800 the local jurisdictions there

01:11:15.380 are more than willing

01:11:16.440 to work with ICE.

01:11:17.700 That's why you're not

01:11:18.820 seeing large-scale

01:11:21.280 clashes in the streets

01:11:23.320 and stuff

01:11:23.700 because they're able

01:11:24.420 to just go to the jails

01:11:25.840 when these illegals 0.87

01:11:27.320 are arrested

01:11:27.900 by local sheriff's departments

01:11:29.660 and stuff

01:11:30.120 and they're able

01:11:30.800 to pick them up

01:11:31.580 and that's it.

01:11:32.880 And then they're deported.

01:11:34.240 There's no need

01:11:35.140 for these large-scale clashes.

01:11:37.180 And the reason

01:11:39.200 that it has to be done

01:11:40.040 is because the federal government

01:11:41.100 cannot back down

01:11:42.340 and just not enforce

01:11:44.020 federal immigration law

01:11:46.040 because Mayor Frey

01:11:48.000 and Tim Walz

01:11:48.900 don't want to lose

01:11:49.660 a huge portion

01:11:50.380 of their voter base

01:11:51.320 when a bunch of

01:11:52.440 Somali fraudsters 1.00

01:11:53.540 end up being denaturalized

01:11:54.940 and deported.

01:11:56.640 Yeah, I mean,

01:11:56.880 the country will fall apart.

01:11:58.420 We'll have civil war 0.99

01:11:59.360 if this continues.

01:12:00.440 By the way,

01:12:00.800 it's January 21st.

01:12:02.380 Imagine June 20.

01:12:03.440 Imagine warm weather

01:12:04.420 in one of the coldest cities

01:12:05.800 in America.

01:12:07.300 Nick, thank you so much

01:12:08.220 for your bravery

01:12:09.240 and for telling us all that.

01:12:10.880 And that was...

01:12:12.520 I'm hard to shock.

01:12:13.380 That shocked me.

01:12:14.220 And Godspeed.

01:12:16.240 I don't have to make

01:12:17.100 anything up, Tucker.

01:12:17.760 It's all on video.

01:12:18.940 So not exaggerating here,

01:12:21.420 but I appreciate you

01:12:22.060 highlighting the story.

01:12:23.040 Oh, we're grateful to.

01:12:24.260 Thank you.

01:12:26.300 So we played you

01:12:27.120 that footage

01:12:27.840 of the protesters

01:12:29.720 attacking people in church

01:12:31.480 for being white

01:12:32.040 and Christian.

01:12:33.820 That was in St. Paul,

01:12:35.000 I think.

01:12:36.400 Cities Church

01:12:37.040 in St. Paul, Minnesota.

01:12:38.840 Joe Rigney is...

01:12:39.560 One of the founders

01:12:41.320 of that church, I believe.

01:12:42.440 And I hope he'll pardon me

01:12:43.340 if I've mangled

01:12:44.020 any of his bio,

01:12:44.940 but he joins us now.

01:12:47.200 Joe, thanks so much

01:12:47.800 for doing this.

01:12:50.160 Tell us about

01:12:50.980 what happened

01:12:52.040 at that church.

01:12:54.380 Yeah, so that's

01:12:55.440 my former church.

01:12:56.340 I was a planting pastor

01:12:57.880 at the church.

01:12:58.560 I'm no longer there.

01:12:59.200 I live in Idaho now

01:13:00.040 for the last three years.

01:13:01.280 But I was in Minnesota

01:13:02.100 for 18 years,

01:13:03.320 including through 2020

01:13:05.380 and all of the riots

01:13:07.420 during that year.

01:13:08.280 But, yeah,

01:13:09.820 what happened was

01:13:10.600 is during a service,

01:13:12.120 normal Christian worship service

01:13:14.080 of a normal evangelical church,

01:13:17.740 an organized, planned,

01:13:19.500 and coordinated group of people

01:13:20.940 entered the church

01:13:22.020 during its second service.

01:13:23.640 It was the first Sunday

01:13:24.540 they'd had a second service.

01:13:25.500 The church was growing.

01:13:26.680 And so they had

01:13:27.100 a second service,

01:13:27.820 added one.

01:13:28.340 And so they'd already had one.

01:13:29.640 The preacher had preached

01:13:30.520 a message from the Gospel of John,

01:13:32.560 chapter 13,

01:13:33.800 called Love One Another.

01:13:35.160 And as they were

01:13:37.240 in the middle

01:13:37.600 of the second service,

01:13:38.620 a number of people

01:13:39.420 who had been there

01:13:40.440 for the first half

01:13:41.260 of the service

01:13:42.000 stood up

01:13:43.340 and began moving

01:13:44.520 towards the front

01:13:45.300 doing what your video showed,

01:13:48.260 chanting various slogans

01:13:50.600 about Renee Good,

01:13:52.620 Get Out Ice, 1.00

01:13:53.960 all of those sort of things,

01:13:55.800 and eventually basically

01:13:56.900 commandeered the building,

01:13:58.240 yelling and screaming

01:13:59.440 at the parishioners,

01:14:01.260 a number of whom fled

01:14:02.860 very quickly

01:14:03.540 because in this day and age

01:14:05.080 you don't know

01:14:05.600 if this is going to be

01:14:08.340 an active shooting situation,

01:14:09.600 right?

01:14:09.840 Like this is the sort of thing

01:14:11.360 that happens these days.

01:14:13.200 And so people were trying

01:14:14.500 to get the kids out,

01:14:16.220 get the kids safe.

01:14:17.400 And you saw my friend,

01:14:20.320 Pastor Jonathan Parnell,

01:14:22.340 standing there saying,

01:14:23.360 shame on you 0.77

01:14:23.920 to these activists,

01:14:25.440 these agitators.

01:14:26.880 And then being accosted

01:14:28.440 by Don Lemon,

01:14:29.680 who is embedded

01:14:30.440 with the group

01:14:31.040 and coordinating with them

01:14:32.200 and being harangued.

01:14:33.760 Isn't this a great example

01:14:34.960 of constitutional liberty?

01:14:36.520 Don't these people

01:14:37.020 have a right to,

01:14:38.380 you know,

01:14:39.500 assemble and free speech

01:14:41.500 as they are disrupting

01:14:43.260 a Christian worship service

01:14:44.760 on a Sunday morning?

01:14:46.240 So it was shocking.

01:14:47.620 I'm across the country now,

01:14:49.260 but watching my friends

01:14:50.860 and former congregants

01:14:52.500 be attacked in this way,

01:14:54.720 simply, you know,

01:14:57.400 because these activists

01:14:58.620 are going to escalate

01:15:00.300 from beyond

01:15:00.760 what they've already been doing

01:15:02.080 as your previous guest

01:15:03.560 elaborated on.

01:15:06.080 It's shocking,

01:15:06.620 but it's predictable

01:15:07.740 because all revolutions

01:15:09.260 begin with killing

01:15:09.940 the Christians, always. 0.99

01:15:12.660 I wonder,

01:15:14.680 is there a justification

01:15:16.800 for this to go in

01:15:18.360 and scream at kids 0.75

01:15:19.600 in a church service

01:15:21.080 during a sermon

01:15:22.000 on love one another?

01:15:23.020 I mean, what do you think

01:15:23.520 is actually going on here?

01:15:25.680 Well, the presenting cause

01:15:26.980 is that one of the lay pastors

01:15:28.460 at the church

01:15:29.160 works for ICE.

01:15:31.820 He's a law enforcement officer,

01:15:33.680 has been for 20-something years.

01:15:36.020 He's a good man.

01:15:37.180 He's a close friend of mine.

01:15:38.260 I'm not even going to say his name

01:15:39.180 because I don't want

01:15:39.820 any more harassment

01:15:41.040 for him and his family.

01:15:44.260 But they had doxed him,

01:15:47.080 discovered who he was,

01:15:48.240 where he went to church,

01:15:49.140 and decided to make an example.

01:15:52.180 And so that was

01:15:52.820 the presenting cause.

01:15:54.100 But I think there's also

01:15:55.200 an element of,

01:15:56.140 as you said,

01:15:56.720 testing the boundaries.

01:15:57.840 How far can we go?

01:15:59.000 How far can we escalate

01:16:00.340 these things

01:16:00.900 in order to intimidate,

01:16:04.400 silence people

01:16:06.300 into doing what we want?

01:16:08.080 And so it's not enough now

01:16:09.160 to harass law enforcement officers

01:16:12.020 while they carry out their duties.

01:16:13.880 We're now going to follow them 0.94

01:16:14.920 to their homes.

01:16:15.580 We're going to follow them 1.00

01:16:16.220 to their churches.

01:16:17.060 We're going to intimidate

01:16:17.960 their friends.

01:16:18.560 We're going to frighten

01:16:19.240 their children

01:16:19.840 until I guess they think

01:16:23.540 the effect of that would be

01:16:25.300 that the administration

01:16:26.140 will cease trying

01:16:27.580 to enforce its immigration laws.

01:16:28.880 Or maybe people

01:16:29.540 will stop working for ICE.

01:16:30.520 I don't know

01:16:31.060 what the end game is.

01:16:32.920 But I expect,

01:16:34.020 if it's not dealt with

01:16:35.300 in a swift and just manner,

01:16:38.660 to say this is unacceptable.

01:16:40.240 There are ways

01:16:40.800 that you can protest

01:16:41.580 the government.

01:16:42.160 This is America.

01:16:43.420 But terrorizing people

01:16:44.940 in a church

01:16:45.740 is beyond the bounds.

01:16:48.380 And it's been disappointing

01:16:50.760 thus far.

01:16:51.760 It's been encouraging

01:16:52.500 on the part

01:16:52.960 of the federal administration.

01:16:54.760 I think the, you know,

01:16:56.180 various people

01:16:56.760 of the administration

01:16:57.800 are involved

01:16:58.400 and seeking to do something

01:17:00.840 about it,

01:17:01.420 arrest some people.

01:17:02.680 But I think the local officials,

01:17:04.620 the governor,

01:17:05.340 the mayors,

01:17:07.280 are slow playing it.

01:17:09.980 They have no interest

01:17:10.900 in doing it.

01:17:11.840 In fact, I saw

01:17:12.580 one Democratic legislator

01:17:15.460 say this will continue.

01:17:16.700 This sort of thing

01:17:17.180 is essential

01:17:17.700 to what we're doing

01:17:18.640 and it will continue.

01:17:19.860 So promising,

01:17:20.620 this is actually

01:17:21.280 the trans legislator

01:17:23.820 in the Twin Cities

01:17:26.240 who said this is essential

01:17:27.900 and it must continue.

01:17:29.020 Which is a shocking thing

01:17:30.180 after, you know,

01:17:32.280 just last year,

01:17:33.840 a Catholic school

01:17:35.220 was attacked

01:17:37.460 by a trans shooter.

01:17:40.240 And so you see

01:17:41.060 the escalating violence

01:17:42.200 on the left

01:17:42.780 of normal Christian people.

01:17:45.120 And I just want to,

01:17:45.600 I just think

01:17:45.940 I want to underscore

01:17:46.480 that piece of it.

01:17:48.320 These are not,

01:17:49.340 these are not political activists.

01:17:51.060 This is not a political church.

01:17:53.220 These are normal

01:17:54.460 Bible-believing evangelicals.

01:17:57.400 The mission of the church,

01:17:58.960 the way that they talk

01:17:59.880 since the beginning

01:18:01.460 when we planted the church

01:18:02.460 and they've continued this

01:18:03.760 is real basic.

01:18:04.920 They have a number

01:18:05.460 of very clear priorities,

01:18:07.080 what they care about.

01:18:08.400 And if you asked any of them,

01:18:10.160 they would say,

01:18:10.960 we're here because

01:18:12.000 we want to worship Jesus.

01:18:13.480 He's the most,

01:18:14.040 he's real.

01:18:14.640 Jesus is real.

01:18:16.240 And he's the most important

01:18:17.540 person in the universe.

01:18:18.760 He's the only hope

01:18:19.740 of the world.

01:18:20.500 There's salvation

01:18:21.040 in no one else.

01:18:21.980 They are going to want

01:18:22.360 to tell you that.

01:18:23.220 And they're going to say,

01:18:23.820 we want to love each other

01:18:24.600 as Christians.

01:18:25.680 And then they're going to say,

01:18:26.600 and we're here to seek

01:18:27.300 the good of these cities.

01:18:28.280 We've not given up

01:18:28.980 on these cities.

01:18:30.080 In fact,

01:18:30.620 I think the pastor said that

01:18:31.740 in the sermon

01:18:32.380 in his first service

01:18:33.220 said, we're here

01:18:34.220 in the midst of this chaos.

01:18:35.980 And he says,

01:18:36.520 but we're not giving up

01:18:37.300 on the twin cities.

01:18:38.480 We're here because

01:18:39.160 we want to love our neighbors.

01:18:40.180 We want to care for those.

01:18:41.700 We want to give them

01:18:42.220 the hope of the gospel,

01:18:43.300 offer them freedom

01:18:44.380 from sin and death.

01:18:46.580 And that's what

01:18:47.300 they're there for.

01:18:47.840 And instead,

01:18:48.880 this political chaos

01:18:50.020 intrudes in the middle

01:18:51.560 of a worship service

01:18:52.540 and disrupt it.

01:18:53.920 And it was absolutely,

01:18:54.840 as my friend said,

01:18:56.120 he said,

01:18:56.660 it's absolutely shameful.

01:18:58.140 It's absolutely shameful.

01:18:59.180 And then immediately,

01:18:59.860 I appreciated this

01:19:00.640 about him so much.

01:19:01.580 I said,

01:19:01.800 this is shameful

01:19:02.420 and we're here about Jesus.

01:19:04.140 He wanted to make sure

01:19:04.780 he's going to get that in

01:19:06.040 because that's what

01:19:06.860 he cares about.

01:19:07.400 That's what he's all about.

01:19:08.960 But, and I don't think

01:19:09.640 we should make a mistake.

01:19:10.700 Jesus was the target.

01:19:11.800 It's not that they're

01:19:12.360 an ICE agent

01:19:13.080 who they could have

01:19:13.620 hassled at his house

01:19:14.480 or at his job

01:19:15.220 or whatever.

01:19:16.220 The target was Jesus.

01:19:17.860 I'm sure you've seen

01:19:18.580 the famous photograph

01:19:19.300 from the Spanish Civil War,

01:19:21.340 the opening months

01:19:22.640 of the Spanish Civil War

01:19:23.520 where the communist forces

01:19:24.660 surround a statue of Jesus

01:19:26.200 and open fire on it.

01:19:27.980 A statue.

01:19:28.680 Because they were

01:19:31.420 more straightforward then.

01:19:32.600 Like, that's the enemy.

01:19:34.660 And I do think

01:19:35.280 it puts it in the right frame.

01:19:37.700 Right.

01:19:38.340 Yeah, it is remarkable.

01:19:39.980 I think in this moment

01:19:42.220 as we're talking,

01:19:44.380 there is a deep sickness

01:19:46.620 in our culture.

01:19:47.980 I think we all feel it.

01:19:49.440 Pressure's high.

01:19:50.500 Tensions are high.

01:19:51.420 And it is a spiritual in nature.

01:19:56.500 And I think that's one

01:19:57.600 of the things.

01:19:58.000 I'm a pastor.

01:19:58.760 I'm still a pastor,

01:19:59.480 just in a different state.

01:20:01.020 And Jesus really is

01:20:03.080 the only hope for this.

01:20:04.080 Like, there is no way out.

01:20:06.160 And what's needed

01:20:07.560 in the moment

01:20:08.120 is forgiveness of sins

01:20:10.300 and calling people

01:20:11.400 to repent of it.

01:20:12.460 Right?

01:20:12.660 Yes.

01:20:13.020 The reason that this

01:20:14.140 bubbles up

01:20:15.020 is because sin festers

01:20:16.540 and festers and festers.

01:20:17.600 And it's encouraged

01:20:18.800 by, in this case,

01:20:20.120 government officials

01:20:20.800 who are fostering lawlessness,

01:20:22.900 encouraging this kind of conduct,

01:20:24.460 rather than being,

01:20:25.300 as the Bible says

01:20:25.960 they ought to be,

01:20:27.020 a terror to evil conduct.

01:20:29.140 That's what,

01:20:29.840 when God lays down,

01:20:31.260 what should the government do?

01:20:32.540 What's their job?

01:20:33.900 And it's,

01:20:34.420 they should be a terror

01:20:35.120 to evil conduct.

01:20:36.200 They should execute

01:20:37.240 God's wrath

01:20:37.960 on the wrongdoers.

01:20:39.300 They should reward

01:20:40.480 the righteous.

01:20:41.000 They should encourage

01:20:41.620 good people.

01:20:42.480 And they should punish

01:20:43.160 bad people.

01:20:43.720 That's their just basic job.

01:20:45.500 And in this circumstance,

01:20:46.380 they're actually doing

01:20:47.420 the opposite.

01:20:48.280 They're terrorizing

01:20:49.180 normal law-abiding citizens.

01:20:51.420 And then they're encouraging

01:20:52.720 the lawless

01:20:53.380 and the lawbreakers.

01:20:55.000 And because of that,

01:20:56.220 it's bubbling up,

01:20:57.160 it's bubbling over,

01:20:58.240 and it's tragic.

01:20:59.920 It really is tragic.

01:21:00.900 And the only way out

01:21:01.820 is for people

01:21:02.360 to turn from their sins

01:21:03.200 and to turn back to Christ.

01:21:04.520 That's the only hope

01:21:05.700 that any of us,

01:21:06.300 this nation has.

01:21:06.980 That's the only hope

01:21:07.560 for any of us.

01:21:09.220 It's literally inverted.

01:21:10.460 The government

01:21:10.900 encourages evil,

01:21:13.320 abets lawlessness,

01:21:14.680 and punishes decency

01:21:16.360 and good.

01:21:17.000 So what is the

01:21:18.940 right Christian reaction

01:21:21.200 to this?

01:21:23.420 Yeah,

01:21:23.980 I've been thinking

01:21:24.840 a lot about that,

01:21:25.600 not just because of

01:21:26.680 what happened

01:21:27.000 over the weekend,

01:21:27.880 but because of

01:21:28.820 the last few years.

01:21:30.720 As, you know,

01:21:32.440 last fall,

01:21:33.920 Charlie Kirk

01:21:34.360 was assassinated.

01:21:36.180 And, you know,

01:21:37.800 it's actually interesting.

01:21:39.260 Years ago,

01:21:40.040 when we planted the church,

01:21:40.900 the first sermon series

01:21:42.180 that we did

01:21:43.120 was on the book of Acts.

01:21:45.440 You know,

01:21:45.580 you're planting a new church

01:21:46.400 and so here's the

01:21:47.000 planting of the church,

01:21:47.660 right?

01:21:48.120 And so we're preaching

01:21:48.860 through the book of Acts

01:21:49.680 and you begin to notice

01:21:50.760 these patterns.

01:21:53.140 And you just notice

01:21:53.920 that the early church leaders

01:21:55.240 were just regularly colliding

01:21:57.140 with the governing

01:21:58.760 of authorities,

01:21:59.640 right?

01:22:00.000 So they're getting

01:22:00.940 hauled in.

01:22:02.120 They're healing people.

01:22:02.980 They're blessing people.

01:22:04.540 They're sharing the gospel.

01:22:05.760 They're announcing

01:22:06.160 Jesus is risen from the dead.

01:22:07.780 This is great news,

01:22:08.500 everybody.

01:22:08.760 He is the savior

01:22:10.400 of the world.

01:22:11.360 And they're announcing this

01:22:12.280 and they're met

01:22:13.460 with opposition

01:22:14.160 and it kind of escalates.

01:22:15.880 And you see this escalating.

01:22:17.100 At first,

01:22:17.880 the leaders are kind of

01:22:18.860 annoyed by it.

01:22:19.680 They're like,

01:22:20.040 who are these guys?

01:22:20.920 What are they doing?

01:22:21.700 What are they saying?

01:22:22.440 And so they haul them in

01:22:23.200 for questioning.

01:22:23.800 What are you guys

01:22:24.120 talking about?

01:22:24.720 And they're like,

01:22:25.180 hey, no other name

01:22:26.420 among heaven.

01:22:28.160 Jesus, it's him.

01:22:29.300 He rose from the dead.

01:22:30.280 You killed him.

01:22:31.200 You guys killed him,

01:22:32.000 but he rose from the dead.

01:22:33.700 And then they say,

01:22:34.900 all right,

01:22:35.120 don't do that anymore.

01:22:35.780 Stop talking about that.

01:22:36.700 And they leave.

01:22:37.940 And then they keep preaching.

01:22:40.020 They go out and they pray.

01:22:41.100 They say, Lord,

01:22:41.940 look upon their threats

01:22:43.080 and help us to continue

01:22:44.960 to speak the word

01:22:45.600 with boldness.

01:22:46.460 And they do.

01:22:47.200 God answers that prayer.

01:22:48.120 They speak with boldness.

01:22:48.920 They preach the word.

01:22:50.280 And then they get

01:22:51.000 hauled back in.

01:22:51.580 And this time they say,

01:22:52.320 hey, look,

01:22:52.560 we already told you guys once.

01:22:54.300 Knock this off.

01:22:54.980 And then they beat them.

01:22:56.140 So now it's not just a warning.

01:22:58.040 It's a violent warning.

01:22:59.620 And now the leaders

01:23:00.860 are a little bit jealous

01:23:01.480 because people are flocking

01:23:03.360 to this new Christian movement.

01:23:04.900 And then it finally bubbles over

01:23:07.140 in the stoning of Stephen.

01:23:10.780 Right?

01:23:10.980 Stephen is hauled before them.

01:23:12.120 False charges.

01:23:13.600 They lie about him.

01:23:14.680 They slander him.

01:23:16.200 And then they say,

01:23:17.620 and then he says,

01:23:18.360 he looks up into heaven

01:23:18.920 and he says,

01:23:19.220 I see Jesus.

01:23:20.340 Jesus is risen

01:23:21.220 and he's reigning.

01:23:22.200 And he condemns

01:23:23.220 the wickedness around him.

01:23:24.140 You guys are all,

01:23:24.940 you've turned aside

01:23:25.540 from your God.

01:23:26.240 You've abandoned him.

01:23:27.020 You've killed the righteous one.

01:23:28.080 You've murdered him.

01:23:29.200 And then they rush upon them

01:23:30.380 and they stone him to death.

01:23:32.000 And so when you look at that

01:23:32.820 kind of escalation

01:23:33.960 in Jerusalem

01:23:35.360 2,000 years ago,

01:23:37.360 and then I'm sitting here

01:23:38.720 reading the newspaper

01:23:39.340 and going,

01:23:40.800 history does not repeat itself,

01:23:44.100 but it does rhyme.

01:23:45.980 And when you think about

01:23:46.860 the last 20 years

01:23:47.720 and the escalating collisions

01:23:49.420 we've seen in our country,

01:23:50.660 you know,

01:23:50.940 about say sexuality

01:23:52.120 and people being harassed

01:23:54.580 just because they won't make a cake

01:23:55.740 or because they won't,

01:23:57.520 you know,

01:23:57.800 do flowers for a gay wedding.

01:23:59.400 And you see that kind of

01:24:00.380 escalating collision

01:24:01.220 as Christians just try 0.98

01:24:02.100 to live faithfully,

01:24:03.060 faithful lives.

01:24:03.780 And then it bubbled over

01:24:04.900 and in the fall

01:24:05.760 we saw,

01:24:07.060 we found an American Stephen,

01:24:08.800 essentially,

01:24:09.980 in Charlie Kirk.

01:24:11.580 Like that's,

01:24:11.980 that's what happened

01:24:12.820 as the left killed him.

01:24:15.440 And,

01:24:15.960 and then so you're,

01:24:16.780 so I read that and I go,

01:24:17.720 okay,

01:24:17.860 well,

01:24:18.000 what should we expect next?

01:24:19.180 If that's,

01:24:19.760 if the history is rhyming,

01:24:20.880 what comes next in the story?

01:24:23.300 And if you read the book of Acts

01:24:24.680 right after Stephen is stoned,

01:24:25.860 it says a general persecution

01:24:27.340 breaks out against the Christians.

01:24:29.520 There's,

01:24:29.920 that like the,

01:24:30.800 the lawlessness spreads

01:24:32.100 and now it doesn't matter

01:24:32.960 if you're a leader or not.

01:24:34.140 It doesn't matter

01:24:34.680 if you're prominent or not.

01:24:35.800 You could just be what?

01:24:37.440 Normal people going to church

01:24:38.860 on a Sunday

01:24:39.420 in an American town

01:24:41.220 and now you're going to be

01:24:42.580 harassed and intimidated.

01:24:43.700 And so this is precisely

01:24:45.120 on cue

01:24:46.080 and I think,

01:24:47.580 and I'm encouraged

01:24:48.360 by what the Bible tells us

01:24:50.100 to do in that case

01:24:50.940 because what those people did

01:24:52.140 after that persecution

01:24:53.520 broke out

01:24:54.320 is they were driven

01:24:55.340 out of their homes

01:24:56.000 and they didn't go around

01:24:58.200 moping and sulking

01:24:59.140 and whining about,

01:25:00.820 oh,

01:25:01.780 woe is me. 1.00

01:25:02.300 How could this happen?

01:25:03.060 I really wish that

01:25:03.760 Charlie Kirk wouldn't have said that

01:25:04.980 or whatever.

01:25:05.560 Stephen should have,

01:25:06.380 you know,

01:25:06.620 kept his mouth shut.

01:25:07.800 Instead,

01:25:08.260 it says,

01:25:08.720 they went about

01:25:09.620 preaching the gospel.

01:25:11.640 That's what they did.

01:25:12.720 In other words,

01:25:13.240 they imitated the boldness

01:25:14.700 of their leaders

01:25:16.420 who had been persecuted

01:25:17.600 and they went about

01:25:18.960 and as a result,

01:25:20.540 there was a revival.

01:25:21.780 The gospel goes

01:25:22.460 to the Samaritans

01:25:23.380 and lots of people

01:25:25.160 are turning from their sins

01:25:26.820 and being saved

01:25:27.560 and immediately after that,

01:25:29.920 this is what's most remarkable

01:25:30.940 in the story,

01:25:31.540 it changed the history

01:25:32.240 of the world,

01:25:33.420 is the Apostle Paul

01:25:34.700 who'd been approving

01:25:35.540 all of that,

01:25:36.680 who'd been sanctioning it

01:25:37.760 and hauling people to jail

01:25:38.800 but as a Pharisee,

01:25:40.440 as an opponent

01:25:40.920 of the church,

01:25:43.300 God knocks him off his horse.

01:25:45.180 Just Jesus,

01:25:45.920 he finds out

01:25:46.720 Jesus is in fact real

01:25:48.060 and the entire,

01:25:49.740 you know,

01:25:50.380 history of the world

01:25:50.900 is different

01:25:51.560 because now

01:25:52.620 the greatest evangelist

01:25:53.700 in history

01:25:54.220 has come to Christ

01:25:55.860 and so I see this,

01:25:58.040 I see the tensions

01:25:58.820 and yet God's behind it all.

01:26:01.400 He's sovereign,

01:26:02.260 he rules,

01:26:02.920 he reigns,

01:26:03.600 Jesus is real

01:26:04.640 and he is working in this

01:26:06.500 for the good of his people

01:26:07.460 and for the good of the world

01:26:08.600 and the good of this nation

01:26:09.600 and so my encouragement

01:26:11.780 to Christians

01:26:12.320 would be to imitate

01:26:13.160 the early church,

01:26:15.520 to gather together

01:26:16.500 in worship

01:26:17.220 on Sundays

01:26:17.920 whether they're going

01:26:18.520 to harass you or not

01:26:19.360 and to pray

01:26:20.540 and to say,

01:26:21.100 Lord,

01:26:21.620 look upon their threats,

01:26:23.100 look what they're saying,

01:26:24.100 look at their lies

01:26:24.940 and fill us with your Holy Spirit

01:26:27.060 and grant us

01:26:28.100 to preach the word of God,

01:26:30.060 all of it,

01:26:30.700 whole counsel of God,

01:26:32.040 courage,

01:26:32.780 clarity about Jesus,

01:26:34.180 about sin,

01:26:35.120 give us that ability

01:26:36.380 with joy

01:26:37.620 in the midst of this chaos,

01:26:39.260 give us that,

01:26:40.540 that's what we want,

01:26:41.440 Lord,

01:26:41.500 and I believe

01:26:42.580 and I believe

01:26:42.600 just as God

01:26:43.060 answered that prayer

01:26:43.780 in the first century,

01:26:45.060 he'll answer that prayer

01:26:45.900 in the 21st.

01:26:47.760 So this is,

01:26:48.840 I mean,

01:26:49.160 this is the spiritual war

01:26:50.100 that Jesus promises

01:26:51.400 that we've seen

01:26:52.480 for thousands of years,

01:26:54.880 we know how it ends,

01:26:56.900 but in the meantime,

01:26:58.020 we shouldn't be surprised

01:26:59.300 and remain brave and bold,

01:27:02.260 is that a fair summary?

01:27:03.820 Correct, yeah,

01:27:04.520 and joyful.

01:27:05.200 I think that's one of the things,

01:27:06.380 and joyful.

01:27:07.540 Like,

01:27:07.680 I think that it's important

01:27:08.720 because I think Christians

01:27:09.700 do have a tendency sometimes

01:27:10.980 when things go like this

01:27:12.240 to get overly serious

01:27:16.120 or serious in the wrong way,

01:27:17.780 I guess.

01:27:18.080 It can become intense

01:27:19.300 and instead to go like,

01:27:21.800 well,

01:27:22.040 is God,

01:27:23.040 like,

01:27:23.160 so I was watching it

01:27:24.120 and one reaction I did have

01:27:25.540 was from Psalm 2,

01:27:28.200 he who sits in heaven laughs,

01:27:30.800 right?

01:27:31.060 Like,

01:27:31.200 what does God look at

01:27:31.820 when the nations rage

01:27:32.740 and they rage against his people

01:27:34.340 and they rage against Christ

01:27:36.200 what's God's reaction?

01:27:37.560 He who sits in heaven laughs.

01:27:38.940 He's not threatened by this.

01:27:40.240 He's not scrambling.

01:27:42.140 God's not going to,

01:27:43.080 you know,

01:27:43.940 get somebody on the phone.

01:27:44.680 He's not worried about that.

01:27:46.280 Instead,

01:27:46.780 he's going,

01:27:47.160 this is my sovereign hand

01:27:48.160 and plan working out

01:27:49.060 for the good of my people

01:27:50.060 and the good of the world.

01:27:51.340 I am going to bring glory

01:27:52.480 to myself

01:27:52.960 through this horrific stuff.

01:27:54.360 Now,

01:27:54.480 that doesn't mean for me

01:27:55.820 as a Christian,

01:27:56.700 do I want to see

01:27:57.300 justice done now as well?

01:27:59.680 Absolutely.

01:28:00.080 It's because Jesus is real

01:28:01.520 that governing authorities

01:28:02.820 ought to bear the sword faithfully.

01:28:05.120 They ought to punish 0.84

01:28:05.900 lawbreakers

01:28:06.640 because someday

01:28:07.440 Tim Walz

01:28:08.140 and Mayor Jacob Fry

01:28:09.460 are going to stand before God

01:28:11.200 and they're going to answer for it

01:28:12.760 just like I will

01:28:13.620 and just like you will.

01:28:14.680 Yes.

01:28:14.940 Right?

01:28:15.140 Everybody listening to this

01:28:16.060 is going to stand before God.

01:28:17.220 Like,

01:28:17.340 that's what's going to happen

01:28:18.500 and you're going to give an account.

01:28:20.560 And so,

01:28:21.060 part of what they're going to account for

01:28:22.440 is,

01:28:23.000 hey,

01:28:23.220 when Minneapolis was in chaos,

01:28:25.820 why were you stoking it?

01:28:27.620 Like,

01:28:27.820 why?

01:28:29.060 What was that about?

01:28:30.360 Like,

01:28:30.500 they're going to,

01:28:31.460 like,

01:28:31.640 some of these videos

01:28:32.420 that we're seeing

01:28:33.020 of the chaos

01:28:33.680 being inflamed

01:28:34.480 and encouraged

01:28:35.160 by the left

01:28:36.900 are going to be brought forward

01:28:38.220 as evidence

01:28:38.900 of their hatred

01:28:39.940 of God's people,

01:28:42.200 of Christ.

01:28:44.400 And,

01:28:44.780 and it's remarkable

01:28:45.880 to think about.

01:28:47.220 Like,

01:28:47.280 it is a sobering thing,

01:28:48.640 but as Christians,

01:28:49.700 it ought to give us confidence.

01:28:50.840 It's what gives us a joy

01:28:52.080 in the midst of the suffering.

01:28:53.540 When they,

01:28:53.840 when they plunder,

01:28:54.520 when they attack,

01:28:55.580 there's a deep and settled joy

01:28:57.140 because Tim Walz

01:28:58.760 doesn't run the universe.

01:29:00.360 Thank God.

01:29:01.380 Jake Fry doesn't.

01:29:02.180 President Trump doesn't,

01:29:03.220 for that matter.

01:29:03.740 Like,

01:29:03.960 no human being runs the universe.

01:29:06.200 Well,

01:29:06.560 one does.

01:29:07.660 The God-man,

01:29:08.480 Jesus Christ,

01:29:08.960 he runs the universe.

01:29:11.020 So,

01:29:11.560 if I'm hearing this right,

01:29:13.160 chaos,

01:29:13.980 just by itself,

01:29:14.840 is a marker of evil.

01:29:17.120 Absolutely.

01:29:18.180 Absolutely.

01:29:18.460 It's Christ or chaos.

01:29:19.260 Those are the two options.

01:29:20.800 Like,

01:29:20.960 those are,

01:29:21.340 like,

01:29:21.600 the basic options

01:29:22.620 in America today.

01:29:24.280 It's Christ or chaos.

01:29:25.480 You either get,

01:29:26.360 you either get

01:29:27.180 the decay,

01:29:28.160 the disorder,

01:29:29.000 the lawlessness,

01:29:30.020 or we turn to Jesus

01:29:31.140 and he puts us

01:29:31.860 everything back together.

01:29:32.880 Like,

01:29:33.160 he puts you back together

01:29:34.020 individually.

01:29:34.800 Like,

01:29:35.140 you get forgiven

01:29:36.580 for your sins

01:29:37.380 and you get sanctified.

01:29:40.000 You get made holy.

01:29:40.720 You get healed and restored.

01:29:42.180 And then he puts together

01:29:43.020 our families,

01:29:44.160 the brokenness there.

01:29:45.040 He puts together

01:29:45.520 our communities.

01:29:46.440 He puts together

01:29:47.000 our nation.

01:29:48.300 You know,

01:29:48.460 listening to your monologue

01:29:49.320 at the front of the hour,

01:29:51.540 it just struck me.

01:29:52.480 You're describing

01:29:53.000 sort of the

01:29:53.720 balkanization

01:29:55.000 of the United States

01:29:56.060 and this,

01:29:57.500 mass demographic

01:29:58.240 transformation.

01:29:59.800 I think that's a subject

01:30:00.800 that many evangelicals

01:30:01.980 are uncomfortable with,

01:30:02.980 quite honestly.

01:30:03.600 I've been an evangelical

01:30:05.120 my whole life

01:30:05.700 and it's uncomfortable

01:30:06.620 for them to even

01:30:07.400 think about or talk about.

01:30:10.080 But thinking about it,

01:30:10.920 it's like,

01:30:11.080 what's the hope then?

01:30:12.800 And I think the only hope is,

01:30:14.440 well,

01:30:14.620 everybody needs to turn to Jesus 0.92

01:30:15.880 and then we can sort it out.

01:30:17.000 But if we don't turn to Jesus,

01:30:18.020 we're just going to fight

01:30:18.720 and we're going to devour each other

01:30:19.800 because that's what human being,

01:30:21.320 apart from Christ,

01:30:22.160 that's what human beings do.

01:30:23.760 We envy,

01:30:24.940 rivalry,

01:30:25.660 pride,

01:30:26.060 selfish ambition.

01:30:27.520 That's human nature

01:30:28.480 in its sort of sinful state.

01:30:31.380 And so the only hope

01:30:32.300 is we've got to turn away from that

01:30:33.420 and then,

01:30:34.020 okay,

01:30:34.180 now we've got millions of people

01:30:36.060 from different ethnic groups

01:30:37.360 and we've got all these things.

01:30:38.740 How are we going to sort it out?

01:30:40.000 Well,

01:30:40.240 Jesus has to be at the center of that

01:30:41.600 or it won't happen.

01:30:42.820 It can't happen.

01:30:43.440 All you're going to get

01:30:44.380 is more of this violence.

01:30:45.560 Like,

01:30:45.700 that's the basic hope.

01:30:48.180 That is,

01:30:48.980 tribalism

01:30:49.680 is a product of nature.

01:30:51.860 It's the default setting

01:30:52.800 in people.

01:30:54.160 It inevitably

01:30:55.380 becomes violent.

01:30:56.840 It's a sadomasochistic

01:30:58.360 dynamic

01:30:59.460 always

01:31:00.100 and someone

01:31:01.040 is on the wrong end of it

01:31:02.760 and the only way

01:31:03.940 to avoid that

01:31:04.600 is Jesus.

01:31:05.880 That's my view.

01:31:07.620 It's absolutely true.

01:31:08.400 It's absolutely true.

01:31:09.000 And it's the solution

01:31:10.320 to the kind of mob violence

01:31:11.480 that we see,

01:31:12.260 right?

01:31:12.920 People always look for scapegoats.

01:31:15.600 They want to find someone

01:31:16.720 to blame for all their problems

01:31:17.880 and because they have problems

01:31:20.380 and they don't want to,

01:31:21.120 if they can't admit

01:31:22.080 that like the biggest problem

01:31:23.220 in the universe is me,

01:31:24.280 like my biggest problem

01:31:25.460 is me,

01:31:26.380 right?

01:31:27.100 Like,

01:31:27.580 I think I heard someone

01:31:28.720 say that one time.

01:31:30.360 And my biggest problem is me

01:31:31.840 and if they can't admit that,

01:31:34.300 then they're going to start

01:31:34.940 blaming everybody

01:31:35.680 and eventually

01:31:36.180 they get enough people

01:31:37.160 sharing their grievance

01:31:38.300 that they're going to go

01:31:39.540 take it out

01:31:40.060 and we saw that on Sunday

01:31:41.560 and so the only hope is

01:31:43.400 own it,

01:31:44.480 acknowledge like

01:31:45.220 I'm the problem

01:31:46.040 and God still loves me.

01:31:48.060 He sent Jesus to die

01:31:48.980 for my sins

01:31:49.520 for goodness sake

01:31:50.060 and so he's welcoming me back.

01:31:51.840 Like,

01:31:51.960 you can be the prodigal

01:31:53.340 and I just,

01:31:54.080 again,

01:31:54.220 as a pastor,

01:31:55.000 thank you for having me on

01:31:55.820 and I just want to say

01:31:56.480 to the people listening,

01:31:57.480 like,

01:31:57.680 if you're the prodigal,

01:31:58.460 if you're running away,

01:31:59.560 whether you're a leftist

01:32:00.500 or right wing

01:32:01.280 or,

01:32:01.580 you know,

01:32:02.340 non-committal

01:32:02.920 or whatever,

01:32:03.340 I don't care.

01:32:03.980 Like,

01:32:04.380 if you're the prodigal

01:32:05.140 running away from God,

01:32:06.700 like,

01:32:06.920 you can come home.

01:32:08.080 Like,

01:32:08.260 he left the light on,

01:32:09.440 he's got a really nice robe,

01:32:10.720 he'll give you the ring,

01:32:11.640 he'll kill the fatted calf, 0.81

01:32:12.740 he'll throw a big party

01:32:13.660 because he loves you

01:32:14.460 so you can just come back.

01:32:16.020 You don't have to keep running

01:32:17.220 and if everybody would do that,

01:32:19.200 like,

01:32:19.380 if God would be gracious

01:32:20.320 to this nation

01:32:21.100 and people would turn back

01:32:22.960 to Christ,

01:32:24.020 turn,

01:32:24.200 and I mean,

01:32:24.580 turn back to Christ,

01:32:27.160 then we could,

01:32:27.660 then we could talk,

01:32:28.200 then the political stuff,

01:32:29.380 it wouldn't work itself out,

01:32:30.480 there'd still be bumps

01:32:31.120 and we'd still have to work it out

01:32:32.220 but we'd have a foundation

01:32:33.560 to build on

01:32:34.300 and so that really is

01:32:35.580 the basic,

01:32:36.260 the basic choice before us

01:32:39.520 individually,

01:32:40.460 the basic choice before us

01:32:41.600 as a nation,

01:32:42.320 it's Christ

01:32:42.880 or it's chaos.

01:32:43.940 There is no third option.

01:32:45.760 There isn't one.

01:32:46.780 That's all you got.

01:32:48.620 It's true for every person.

01:32:50.480 Joe Rigney,

01:32:50.920 thank you.

01:32:51.360 I really appreciate

01:32:52.540 you coming on

01:32:53.600 and putting that into perspective

01:32:54.620 and I appreciate your wisdom.

01:32:56.200 Thank you.

01:32:57.000 Hey,

01:32:57.420 thanks for having me,

01:32:58.020 doctor.

01:32:58.160 I appreciate it.

01:32:58.920 Thanks.

01:32:59.220 We appreciate your watching.

01:33:02.140 We'll be back

01:33:02.660 next Wednesday live.

01:33:04.220 We'll be back.

01:33:04.540 We'll be back.

01:33:05.640 Bye-bye.

01:33:07.100 Look.

01:33:08.640 Bye-bye.

01:33:09.620 Bye-bye.

01:33:10.020 Bye-bye.

01:33:17.180 Bye-bye.

01:33:29.560 Bye-bye.

01:33:30.080 Bye-bye.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 22, 2026

Tucker on What the Violent ICE Protests Are Really About and What It Means for White America

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