This Past Weekend with Theo Von - #676 - Billy Strings

00:00:00.320 Today's guest is a three-time Grammy Award-winning musician and songwriter.

00:00:05.440 His new album, So Much for Goodbyes, is out August 28th, and he's on tour the rest of the year.

00:00:11.980 You gotta go see him. If you can, you gotta see him live.

00:00:15.600 We filmed this up in Grand Rapids, Michigan, at Mackinac Harvest Studios.

00:00:20.840 We want to thank Michael and his team over there for the hospitality.

00:00:24.280 It was second to none.

00:00:25.300 And so was this conversation.

00:00:27.920 This is one of my favorite chats ever.

00:00:32.100 So grateful for his time.

00:00:34.260 Today's guest is Mr. Billy Strings.

00:00:37.260 Shine on me

00:00:40.740 And I will find a song

00:00:45.000 I've been singing

00:00:46.180 Dude, good to see you, man.

00:00:55.480 Yeah, you too.

00:00:57.200 It's awesome, bro.

00:00:58.600 Yeah, thanks for coming through with the old stomping grounds, man.

00:01:01.800 This is it, Grand Rapids.

00:01:03.080 Yeah, glad to have you in Michigan.

00:01:04.560 I grew up like, I don't know, half hour, 40 minutes away from here over in Ionia and Muir.

00:01:10.680 But yeah, Grand Rapids, we used to come over here a bunch when I was a teenager and party.

00:01:14.560 It's a good city.

00:01:16.600 Would you guys come like on a Saturday night?

00:01:18.740 Would like your proms be here?

00:01:19.960 Was it like that kind of place or was this like going to the city?

00:01:24.820 Oh, yeah.

00:01:25.300 yeah yeah i never went to prom um you didn't no i i actually didn't want to

00:01:35.260 yeah yeah i don't know were you like one of the kind of like anti like like because there is

00:01:40.480 something about prom that's kind of like establishment i think especially when you're

00:01:43.300 in high school kind of yeah yeah it just wasn't my vibe and i had a girlfriend at the time it

00:01:47.780 really pissed her off that i didn't want to go i think she ended up going with like

00:01:51.260 Dylan Youngstrom or something.

00:01:53.040 Nuh-uh.

00:01:53.700 Yeah.

00:01:54.080 Dylan freaking Youngstrom?

00:01:55.200 Yeah. 0.96

00:01:55.660 What the heck, dude? 0.87

00:01:58.180 Either way.

00:01:59.140 Bro, I was in band with him, dude.

00:02:00.320 He couldn't even make first chair.

00:02:01.560 I know.

00:02:02.960 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:03.680 Fuck. 1.00

00:02:04.640 That's crazy, dude. 1.00

00:02:06.560 Yeah, she was pissed, but understandably so. 1.00

00:02:10.220 I was like, what kind of, like, what an asshole thing. 0.99

00:02:13.440 Like, nah, I'm not going to go. 0.99

00:02:15.440 Like, whatever. 0.99

00:02:16.300 Later on, I'm like, man, I was a real dick. 0.99

00:02:19.140 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:19.480 But what was the reasoning behind it?

00:02:21.020 You don't seem like a guy that doesn't have, like, reasoning kind of behind this.

00:02:23.500 I just, prom, I just don't want to go dress up, and I don't really dance, and what, they're

00:02:29.280 not going to be playing good music anyways, and just, I don't know, just kind of, like,

00:02:34.480 seemed like not my scene, you know?

00:02:37.540 Yeah, I think it's hard to go from kind of, like, picking, like, to the window, to the 0.98

00:02:40.620 wall, you know, to the sweat comes off the balls.

00:02:43.920 That definitely would have been what they were playing, you know? 0.93

00:02:45.900 Yeah, that's kind of, it's kind of crazy that that's the music that we, like, feed to the

00:02:50.020 kids like from the window to the wall to the sweat comes off the balls or whatever i remember that

00:02:54.620 was always on like need for speed back in the day the video game and yeah it's crazy how nostalgic

00:03:00.660 that music is now like all that like rick ross and young jeezy and stuff like that it's like you hear

00:03:07.920 that and it brings you right back to like those parties oh yeah dude yeah there was just something

00:03:14.280 about like all those young parties dude when you would show up at a party bro and like somebody

00:03:19.300 had like a fence on the side of the house you would open the fence and go back into the party

00:03:22.880 or go into the house party and somebody's just parents were unfortunately out of town like all

00:03:28.440 they done is like driven to see your mom's sister like two towns over and they had no idea that their

00:03:34.760 insurance was at risk yeah around here i mean i think everywhere kids are partying but around here

00:03:40.220 it's there's nothing better to do you know yeah so yeah we always just it's all that's all that

00:03:46.660 life was about it's like where's the party at yeah dude and then sometimes you would just drive

00:03:51.040 around and look for a party and for like four hours and people would just make up parties dude

00:03:55.820 i i would always make up parties like dude there's a party it's like seven miles out that way and 0.63

00:03:59.560 people would fucking drive out there and we would just sit there like yarn and things or whatever 0.71

00:04:05.040 like in the parking lot and just die laughing just knowing that like everybody was headed out 0.98

00:04:09.080 to some invisible fiesta yeah um man i miss those uh those days though like i look back on it now

00:04:16.100 and everybody, like, pulls all their cars into a field and burning pallets

00:04:21.760 and just, like, you know, somebody's got a keg.

00:04:24.580 And it, like, around here, it always ended up in a fight at the end of the night.

00:04:28.700 It would be, like, once people got drunk enough

00:04:30.980 and then somebody finally would, it would pop off

00:04:35.080 and then it would, like, the whole place would just erupt

00:04:37.000 and everybody would be fighting.

00:04:38.460 Yeah.

00:04:39.040 That happened all the time.

00:04:40.820 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:04:42.040 Things have to end either, like, in a fight or dessert, I feel like. 0.99

00:04:46.100 like that's kind of the american way dude our shit was somebody would always some fucking 0.98

00:04:52.880 some little like summer school junkie would throw a like a wd-40 bottle into the fire 0.99

00:04:59.760 oh yeah that's a good move and then it would just be it would be like 30 seconds of like

00:05:06.000 vietnam it would be like it would be like watching hacksaw ridge like really fast you know

00:05:11.100 um and that was always that was always kind of how it went did you guys have some people in town

00:05:16.360 did you guys have any like characters in town that were like sort of like um like local celebrities

00:05:22.180 in the sense like that was like the guy in town that was like this thing or something yeah a lot

00:05:27.040 of those different cats and for different reasons you know one of my dear friends uh

00:05:31.900 darren page he's no longer with us but he was like super popular you know um good looking dude

00:05:40.480 I think he was, like, on the football team and everything, and everybody loved him, you know.

00:05:45.760 And he got into, like, drugs and shit, and it sort of drug him down. 0.91

00:05:49.440 It was weird to see because, like, you know, it was kind of like the kids that were from a more stable family 0.98

00:05:57.520 maybe would go down the wrong path, and they wouldn't necessarily know how to handle it.

00:06:04.600 Where I come from, like, a family that was, like, full of drugs, and I've always been real careful, you know,

00:06:09.340 because i saw it but um i think kids that were more like sheltered or something sometimes those

00:06:14.940 are the kids that would like end up overdosing or you know going to prison or just let taking it way

00:06:20.120 too far yeah yeah they get loose it's like suddenly like they have no cookies and suddenly they get

00:06:25.380 they just wander in the dam you know yeah they just wander like in the keevler's tree or whatever

00:06:30.540 you know and then they're gooning bro yeah and then there was uh folks that were you know famous

00:06:37.520 for other reasons there was this guy one of my best friends ever he's also dead um from an 0.96

00:06:43.300 overdose kevin clayton one of the craziest motherfuckers i've ever known in my life dude

00:06:49.060 just absolutely nuts and uh hilarious and would what like how is he funny just he was fun he was 0.99

00:07:00.400 just funny man he was always like you know just trying to get high and he would go to like jail 0.96

00:07:06.440 or something and get out and go back to the same old shit and he like you know he's just a fun 0.97

00:07:12.000 person to party with he was nuts yeah he was always like come on bro get let me get 50 bucks 0.99

00:07:17.780 i want to go boot a coot you know and he was like one of the first people i ever smoked with and 0.96

00:07:22.860 stuff and uh boot a coot yeah that means like banging oxy oh dang yeah i thought it meant go 0.99

00:07:28.920 down on somebody come on bro let me get 50 bucks i want to boot a cool and uh he's fucking nuts 0.91

00:07:38.060 dude one time we were at uh over at my mom's house and it was when that game skate had just 0.93

00:07:45.340 came out on xbox the first skate and i was just like me and kevin and my brother and another

00:07:54.220 friend of mine and uh i wasn't drinking i was just i didn't feel like it that night i was just

00:07:59.980 hanging out i just wanted to play my video game and so i got this brand new xbox and i'm sitting 0.87

00:08:05.540 there playing and um fucking kevin and my brother they got this for some reason they had a mountain 0.97

00:08:12.020 dew bottle full of southern comfort and like a bunch of other shit but they were drinking this 0.99

00:08:16.440 full two liter of fucking soco don't ask me why it was in the two liter bottle but it was and then 0.99

00:08:23.340 And so as the night went on, they got more and more hammered. 0.98

00:08:26.760 And Kevin come up to me, and I'm sitting on the couch,

00:08:28.900 and he put his arm around my neck, and he kind of put me in a headlock.

00:08:31.760 And I was like, dude, stop.

00:08:33.100 Like, I'm not in the mood, you know?

00:08:34.200 Yeah, I hate it when people do that.

00:08:36.140 Yeah.

00:08:36.700 Sometimes I don't, like if it's around the holidays or something,

00:08:38.800 and we're going to get something afterwards.

00:08:40.020 But if they're just doing it for no reason, I don't like it.

00:08:41.820 Anyway, go on.

00:08:42.820 But, yeah, he was all drunk, and, you know,

00:08:46.060 he put me in a headlock like this, and I'm like, dude, stop.

00:08:48.720 You know, I'm not in the mood. 0.98

00:08:49.900 And he fucking squeezed harder. 0.99

00:08:51.960 So I'm like, dude, stop. 1.00

00:08:53.760 And then I'm like, fuck it. 1.00

00:08:54.940 I just start hitting him. 1.00

00:08:56.240 And I'm hitting him like this.

00:08:57.740 And we kind of break up.

00:08:59.220 And then, like, I'm sitting there on the couch.

00:09:02.880 And he kind of tries to go at me.

00:09:04.320 And my brother is, like, right there.

00:09:06.720 He's like, that's my little brother. 1.00

00:09:07.760 You're not going to fuck with him. 1.00

00:09:08.640 And Kevin tries to get up off the couch. 1.00

00:09:10.520 Every time Kevin got up, my brother grabbed him by the face and sat him back down.

00:09:14.600 So then Kevin swung at my brother.

00:09:17.460 And they started fighting.

00:09:19.100 and they were going from one end of the house to the other

00:09:23.140 and I was moving furniture and everything.

00:09:25.320 I was like, you know, because they're going to tear my mom's house up.

00:09:27.740 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:09:28.440 When a bad fight happens, you got to get the shift robe out of there.

00:09:31.580 Yeah.

00:09:31.940 That's the first one.

00:09:32.620 You got to move that dinner table.

00:09:34.200 All that.

00:09:34.980 And then they'd go, I'd move that and then they'd go to another room.

00:09:38.300 Anyways, they knocked my Xbox clean over.

00:09:40.960 Those little AV cables stuck right in the TV and broke off. 0.86

00:09:44.840 You know, I'm like, damn it, I can't play my game anymore.

00:09:47.460 So they ended up – Kevin ended up on top of my brother like this 0.93

00:09:51.280 and just hitting him, and I watched my brother's eyes close,

00:09:53.740 and his head just started – I'm like, dude, he's done.

00:09:56.260 I'm like, he's done.

00:09:56.920 He's knocked out, and he kept hitting him.

00:09:58.560 And so I just picked up this full 22-ounce steel reserve,

00:10:01.700 and I hit Kevin in the head, and I knocked him.

00:10:04.800 And the bottle didn't break.

00:10:05.840 It just went thump.

00:10:07.040 And then he's going –

00:10:08.920 And then they're both sitting there, laying there,

00:10:13.460 knocked out on top of each other.

00:10:14.760 and uh my my brother woke up and he said what what'd you do you killed him and then uh did you

00:10:21.660 think you killed him I don't know I heard him he was snoring and grunting and then uh yeah and then 0.95

00:10:28.340 so my brother woke up he's like you fucking killed him and uh and I'm like dude this is crazy and 0.99

00:10:35.220 and then Kevin woke up and he's all disoriented and he's like he's like what the fuck he's like 0.99

00:10:40.620 what the fuck was I doing? 0.98

00:10:42.740 And then he sees my brother 0.99

00:10:43.860 and he's like, 1.00

00:10:44.620 I was kicking your ass 1.00

00:10:45.860 and they just went right back at it. 1.00

00:10:47.660 Dude, I got the hell out of there.

00:10:48.900 I was like, 1.00

00:10:49.400 you guys can fucking kill each other. 1.00

00:10:51.220 I don't care. 1.00

00:10:51.940 So one of my friends picked me up.

00:10:53.700 We went down to,

00:10:54.980 over to my friend Benji's house

00:10:56.640 or whatever.

00:10:57.100 But then Kevin, 0.99

00:10:58.200 he fucking left my house 0.99

00:10:59.580 that night 1.00

00:11:00.760 from my mom's place

00:11:02.280 and me were all the way

00:11:03.440 to his place

00:11:03.980 out on like Stage Road

00:11:05.320 or something

00:11:05.880 or Nickel Plate.

00:11:07.540 I can't remember. 0.97

00:11:08.040 But it was a long ass walk. 0.96

00:11:09.380 Seven miles 0.99

00:11:10.100 in the blizzard and he fucking he walked all the way there and one of his shoes and one of my 0.99

00:11:15.220 brother's shoes and then uh and he called me i you know i got to where i was and i went to sleep 0.99

00:11:20.740 and then five o'clock in the morning i got a call from kevin and then uh he just says i'm like fuck 1.00

00:11:26.680 answer it was his dad's home phone hello and he just says wait until i find you you little bitch 1.00

00:11:32.100 i'm gonna beat your head into an oblivion and he hung up like god damn it now kevin's gonna beat 1.00

00:11:36.740 me up and then the next he holds a grudge huh yeah he was nuts dude and then uh the next morning he 0.99

00:11:43.040 called me he said bro i'm sorry let's go skate and then i met him down at the skate spot and he 0.99

00:11:47.640 had a big old fucking goose egg like that sticking off his bald ass head because he just had his 0.99

00:11:51.720 head shaved because he just went to boot camp oh and everything is like was it big like like 1.00

00:11:55.580 sometimes people get hit in the head and then it looks like they're like growing another head it 0.99

00:11:59.020 was like a cartoon shit it was like a you know big ass fucking goose egg right there you know 0.99

00:12:04.340 like one of them uh i don't know on looney tunes or something oh yeah dude or like that power slap 0.99

00:12:09.240 you ever seen that power slap thing oh my why do people do that dude dude i don't know have you

00:12:14.340 been to one oh yeah i've been there dude i've been there it's it's like it's i mean to me that

00:12:19.660 just seems so like dude the craziest part of it to me well first of all one time this guy had this

00:12:26.360 big uh like he'd almost like sprouted another head kind of like like he was looking like he

00:12:30.860 was going to be on abby and britney you know or like some like you know like a conjoined twins

00:12:36.160 tlc type of thing you know and then somebody and then he yeah it looked like he was like sprouting

00:12:40.720 another head and somebody had drawn another face on this big thing that was growing so that was

00:12:46.660 pretty dope dude one time i saw a guy after the fights he was in the carpool line i'm like dude

00:12:52.440 you just you were just like slapping like like i don't know if you're safe to just get into it

00:12:58.420 into an uber or whatever you know it was bananas dude but those people really love it i think the

00:13:04.720 thing about it is like this one thing i learned about some sports we may look at it like it seems

00:13:10.380 insane but it's just if somebody likes it yeah there's that new one where it's like people

00:13:17.240 from tonga or whatever or people from hawaii are just running at each other and hitting and like

00:13:22.080 running right into each other you seen that one dude you know i'm talking about trevin

00:13:26.380 Yeah, it's just like

00:13:28.760 It's kind of like speed dating, I guess

00:13:31.400 Well, it's like

00:13:32.100 Well, it kind of reminds me of like jousting, I guess, right?

00:13:36.520 Yeah, I mean

00:13:37.520 New sport unlocked

00:13:39.760 Yeah, this is what it is

00:13:42.380 Oh my god

00:13:45.900 He's like Ram Man from Masters of the Universe

00:13:48.420 Yeah

00:13:48.820 Oh, dude

00:13:52.860 This is the sport

00:13:55.420 I mean, that's like them Rams, them big goats when they headbutt each other.

00:13:58.600 Yeah.

00:13:58.940 That's what these boys are doing.

00:14:00.540 And it's like, bro, and they have women doing it too.

00:14:03.040 But this is just, what I started to realize was like, to the competitors, it's a sport.

00:14:08.660 So it's like, that's where I kind of started to meet sports.

00:14:11.200 It's like some things I'm like, ah.

00:14:13.680 Because at first for UFC, I was like, some of this, I don't know if I like,

00:14:16.280 but now it's my favorite because I realized those people, they just, it's their thing.

00:14:19.940 Well, yeah.

00:14:20.320 I mean, and I feel like there's at least...

00:14:24.580 You can defend yourself.

00:14:26.500 You're not just sitting there being like, okay, hit me as hard as you can.

00:14:29.000 Yeah.

00:14:29.460 Getting, like, brain injuries, you know.

00:14:31.720 Or what's that, like, CTE or whatever?

00:14:33.520 Yeah, CTE.

00:14:34.320 Everybody's got it, I guess, or some people have it.

00:14:36.220 Yeah.

00:14:36.700 I don't know.

00:14:37.320 Yeah, no, I mean, I like UFC.

00:14:39.580 I think it's just, it's a, it's like an ancient, I mean, combat is, you know,

00:14:46.800 nature's violent, I think, and it's like hand-to-hand combat

00:14:50.580 is, like, one of the oldest things there is.

00:14:52.360 It's the most, like...

00:14:54.580 you know, kind of, like, natural thing you can do sometimes.

00:14:58.060 Even though, you know, I'm not, like, all about violence or whatever,

00:15:01.820 but I'm just saying, like.

00:15:02.620 No, it's human.

00:15:03.540 It's a great sport, you know.

00:15:05.060 It's part of history. 0.67

00:15:05.620 It's kind of, like, yeah, what's more sport than two men, like, you know,

00:15:11.100 or women or just two people, like, going after each other 0.99

00:15:13.940 and trying to kick each other's ass, you know. 0.99

00:15:16.480 Yeah, it says here, 0.99

00:15:17.220 wrestling is generally considered the oldest hand-to-hand combat sport.

00:15:19.800 Grappling is a near-universal human practice and predates written history.

00:15:25.720 The earliest surviving depictions of organized wrestling

00:15:28.700 date to ancient Egypt around 2000.

00:15:30.620 I reckon it's sort of like them gladiators or something, you know.

00:15:33.020 Oh, yeah, bro.

00:15:34.360 Like a modern-day version of that.

00:15:36.740 Yeah, dude.

00:15:37.820 And then, you know, it's not always, I mean, these people get hurt,

00:15:41.880 and sometimes, you know, there's crazy bloody brawls like, you know,

00:15:46.560 Forrest Griffin, Stephen Bonner kind of fights.

00:15:49.340 but then there's like i saw you at the at the paddy fight on tv they showed you a little bit

00:15:53.580 i was watching that oh you were yeah you like choked that guy out in like minutes everybody's

00:15:56.820 okay yeah you know yeah that was quick that was just like kevin clayton trying to do it to you

00:16:01.680 on that couch man we've all got our own like you know what i'm saying we all have like our own

00:16:05.940 moment of attachment to little things yeah um but no dude the craziest thing about the paddy thing

00:16:11.000 was so usually the fighters come into the ring they have about a one minute inch or like probably

00:16:17.540 a 30 second walk and then there's like 30 seconds by the cage where they're checking them to make

00:16:22.220 sure that they don't have any knives or whatever and then they let them go in yeah but for patty

00:16:27.440 they had to go i believe anyway they had to go to a commercial break for paramount so he just had

00:16:32.820 like three minutes in the ring with his music yeah and they i'd never seen that before so he

00:16:38.960 just starts like just doing the uh he's got the whole place doing the baddie daddy yeah and uh

00:16:44.220 And the place just, it turned into like kind of a rave.

00:16:47.200 Oh, yeah.

00:16:47.940 That was the energy it needed.

00:16:49.120 So by the time his fight started, in a way, I think even if you were a fan of Benoit Saint-Denis,

00:16:55.160 you were suddenly a Paddy fan just because you'd been doing his move, you know?

00:16:58.700 Yeah, and he's vibing.

00:16:59.760 Also, man, that is such a, what a hoss, like, to just be in that sort of mindset

00:17:06.140 before, like, you know you're going to fight, just to be, like, dancing and happy and hyped.

00:17:11.280 like you know back when i was in high school or whatever and i was getting into fights

00:17:16.860 it was always a lot better if it just popped off all of a sudden and i wasn't expecting it

00:17:21.220 the couple times where i was like okay meet me down here and we're driving down there and i know

00:17:25.960 i'm gonna get in a fight soon that was like the worst like the adrenaline and just it was like

00:17:30.900 you know it's like terrifying yeah because you know you're gonna get into it soon and that

00:17:35.360 yeah you're building up it's all this extra energy and then you're like you yeah people

00:17:39.760 giving you strategy or whatever it all goes away once you get hit in the face yeah dude some guy

00:17:44.600 in a wheelchair kept giving me strategy at a fight and i'm like that's fine dude but it's like

00:17:48.500 you know i'm saying i'm happy to listen to you but now it's just like it was just too much at

00:17:53.180 that moment i was just like god this seems like not the best omen um you know my brother dude i 0.99

00:17:58.940 was watching a fight with him who's that guy uh oh i don't i shouldn't say this he'll kick my ass 0.99

00:18:04.500 Yeah, I don't know 0.99

00:18:06.580 We can not say it

00:18:07.440 My brother said 1.00

00:18:10.080 Like that Kazmat guy or whatever

00:18:12.720 Oh, Hamzat Khumayev?

00:18:13.960 Yeah

00:18:14.340 I was watching a fight with him

00:18:16.460 And my brother's like 1.00

00:18:17.180 That motherfucker looks like the Nutcracker 1.00

00:18:18.880 I was like, holy shit, dude 1.00

00:18:21.200 Bring it up 0.99

00:18:22.320 That's pretty badass

00:18:23.340 Oh, wait, you know 1.00

00:18:24.140 I think it's Islam 1.00

00:18:25.420 Maybe looks a little 1.00

00:18:26.180 Let me see

00:18:26.760 Oh, I think he has a Nutcracker type of beard

00:18:30.300 Yeah

00:18:31.200 sean strickland will protect us dude if things get bad but he does that is kind of a nutcracker

00:18:39.040 type of beard um dude you were talking about uh you were talking about uh oh what happened to

00:18:46.280 kevin clayton uh he od'd he he was a you know he struggled a lot with with substance abuse he he 0.58

00:18:53.700 was into heroin and all sorts of shit man around that time it was like you know meth was really 0.89

00:19:00.480 kind of tearing everything up there was a big uh epidemic really and then that oxycontin too 0.99

00:19:06.060 everybody was robbing each other's grandmas and shit and you know their own family members and

00:19:12.000 stuff just to get them pills and and uh yeah kevin he got into that stuff real bad and i remember he

00:19:19.560 was texting me too and and sending me messages online rather and saying man i he knew it was

00:19:25.400 coming he was like i'm losing control and i was like bro you gotta you're the only one that can

00:19:29.800 put your hands on the wheel and steer yourself out of this you know and he's like i can't you know

00:19:33.700 and not much longer after that i heard that he od'd he just his uh stepmom found him in the 0.97

00:19:40.040 bathroom like foaming at the mouth and shit and it was terrible man but he was also man he was a 0.99

00:19:45.120 great skateboarder he was just fearless um he would fling himself down these huge stair sets 1.00

00:19:50.140 and not give a fuck if he got hurt he was he was just one of the nuttiest people i ever i ever met 0.86

00:19:55.040 And like, I remember he got out of prison for like a couple of years and he grabbed my heart, my, my skateboard and did like a switch hard flip first try. 0.98

00:20:03.300 It's like, you haven't skated in like years and you just did a switch hard flip first try.

00:20:08.560 Like what? 0.97

00:20:09.500 You know, he's just, he's crazy, man.

00:20:11.400 Everybody around Ionia that grew up in those years, like he's sort of a legend.

00:20:16.080 You know him?

00:20:16.580 Oh yeah.

00:20:17.420 Dude, there's something amazing about being like a local legend, dude.

00:20:20.800 Like we had a white guy that could dance in our area.

00:20:23.160 and people and you knew his name for like 40 miles dude and it was legendary dude this guy

00:20:30.440 west i'm not going to say his last thing just to protect his anonymity because uh but yeah dude

00:20:35.680 he was just like he was a legend when you were growing up that's all you want to be and like

00:20:40.540 you maybe go to one high school football game and he would come out with the band and he was like

00:20:44.240 the white guy and they gave him like this magic stick you know like this like baton yeah yeah

00:20:49.680 baton dude but it was like the king baton it wasn't like the one that like there was always

00:20:53.880 that one girl in band who threw it up in the air and she had on like those really thick glasses 1.00

00:20:57.240 and you were like that bitch is gonna fuck it you know i'm saying that that thing's gonna take 1.00

00:21:00.700 somebody's fucking wig off you know but uh but he but he had like the biggest baton he would come 1.00

00:21:06.740 out and he would just take it to another level bro and it was like i don't know you need heroes 0.97

00:21:12.760 like that you need like local legends you need like like yeah you need legends like that just

00:21:19.340 to build hype to be like i want to be like that or just create stories in town that was always the

00:21:23.640 best dude yeah we had uh oh there's all those smoothies let's bring them in and we can do a

00:21:30.140 cheers actually to kevin man hell yeah that's the greenest one they had oh yeah thank you

00:21:36.780 that's grand rapids green man hell yeah thanks dude

00:21:43.640 to a toast man yeah to kevin bro kevin clayton bro yeah

00:21:49.560 yeah dude we had i'm trying to think oh i remember they had a guy in our town who's probably

00:21:57.400 we were kids he was probably like 30 and he would ride on he had a bicycle but it had a baby seat

00:22:03.940 on the back right and it was empty and he was always riding around and and later on i found

00:22:10.520 out he was um he had like a he had like some mental irregularities or whatever but he um when

00:22:15.780 we were kids somebody said that he was uh he had married a man and that his husband he had married

00:22:20.760 a very small man and his husband had passed away and so he'd ride around like just on this bike

00:22:26.060 with this baby seat on the back and that's where his husband used to sit and so we were kids it

00:22:30.100 was just this lore and it was like oh man that's a gay like a gay gentleman that lost his husband

00:22:35.240 or whatever and it was like this kind of like kind of romantic sad sort of thing and he would

00:22:40.100 kind of pull up and he'd always be in the distance of like all the ball games and everything.

00:22:44.500 He'd just be in the distance. He'd be like 40 yards away from everything. In fact, if he had

00:22:50.180 a memoir, I'd call it 40 yards away from everything. And he would kind of sit over there

00:22:53.800 and people would be like, dude, his husband passed away. Years later, we found it was like a kind of

00:22:57.140 like a mentally, like a guy who had had like some mental issues or whatever. And his mom had gotten

00:23:01.220 him a bike and she just gotten him a bike that still had a baby seat on it. But when you're a

00:23:06.660 kid you don't saying there's just like everything can have a little bit of magic in it you know yeah

00:23:10.240 and like it's like it's so exciting um you ever hear about this guy called mole man mole man he's

00:23:16.320 in like pennsylvania or something no i've never seen him what's he you know him no i don't know

00:23:20.780 him but dude it's like this cat he's like lived with his parents and he just has been collecting

00:23:30.000 like i don't know stuff forever and and and he's been building these like structures out in his

00:23:36.300 mom's like backyard like in the there's like a documentary about him and he's like built these

00:23:40.840 tunnels and like all these like little house structures and stuff and he just lives out there

00:23:45.720 and so I don't remember how long I don't know how long ago the documentary was made but in the

00:23:50.100 in the film they were kind of worried about like what was going to happen to this cat when his mom

00:23:53.920 passes away and is the people somebody going to take his property or how's he going to

00:23:58.900 keep doing this but he's the inherit yeah like man he's a he's a wild cat you ought to watch

00:24:04.040 this film mole man mole man dude he's you know that's a local legend right there around his area

00:24:10.140 for sure oh everybody's got to know about the mole man dude mole man let me see another gander at him

00:24:16.860 oh hell yeah oh yeah he kind of has he looks like he took a hit off a cigarette forever

00:24:24.160 you know i'm saying 0.99

00:24:26.000 fuck yeah mole man that would probably be an interesting person maybe to go talk to too 0.99

00:24:32.500 Yeah, dude, you should try to link up with Mole Man and see what he's all about. 0.99

00:24:37.300 But he's built, like, several houses.

00:24:40.660 What?

00:24:41.640 Just in the backyard, like, and he'll just go.

00:24:44.440 Say somebody's, like, tearing down their house. 0.88

00:24:46.560 He'll go and grab, like, some of the windowsills and some of the old drywall and shit, 0.81

00:24:50.500 and he'll take it over to his place, and he just stacks everything up.

00:24:53.360 I don't even think it's, like, nailed together. 0.97

00:24:55.220 See, it's just fucking all stacked up. 0.99

00:24:59.200 Damn, that's just figuring it out. 0.99

00:25:01.240 Yeah, I guess ever since he was a little kid, he just liked building stuff like that. 0.99

00:25:06.060 It looks like one sneeze would fucking remodel that thing, though. 0.94

00:25:10.040 You know what I'm saying? 0.97

00:25:10.720 Dude, one afternoon of allergies, he's going to be living in a studio.

00:25:15.460 Bro, that's wild looking, though.

00:25:17.220 But just like, it almost is like, dude, I was just going to say, it's almost like a beaver.

00:25:22.440 Like just collecting things.

00:25:23.500 Like a bird that makes a nest, dude.

00:25:25.200 When you see some of these bird nests, they go in there and there's like all these little things

00:25:29.520 that the bird has found from around the community

00:25:31.280 that they just put in there?

00:25:33.120 At my house, out the back window,

00:25:35.500 there's a lot of wildlife.

00:25:38.300 We have this little pond,

00:25:39.460 and so there's ducks and geese,

00:25:41.220 and they're always getting into it,

00:25:43.560 and groundhogs. 0.99

00:25:45.140 We got this little muskrat that swims across. 1.00

00:25:47.160 He's always got a big piece of grass in his mouth, 0.78

00:25:48.940 and he swims across the pond.

00:25:49.920 He's cool as hell.

00:25:51.020 But yesterday, I was hanging out with my dad playing guitars, 0.99

00:25:53.440 and we saw two of them fucking affiliated woodpeckers 0.97

00:25:57.440 woodpeckers flying across the, you know, right there, 1.00

00:26:00.700 and they went up on this tree, and they were both doing that shit. 0.99

00:26:03.580 I was like, who are they affiliated with? 0.99

00:26:05.740 Oh, they were, and what does it mean, affiliated?

00:26:08.480 I don't know.

00:26:09.420 I think they're probably in like the.

00:26:11.220 Like a duet?

00:26:12.200 They're like in the cartel or something, I reckon. 0.99

00:26:17.000 Oh, that could be the damn new Brooks and Dunn, dude. 0.99

00:26:20.340 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:21.080 That could be Dan and Shay.

00:26:22.260 Who even knows what's going on anymore?

00:26:24.420 Yeah, and they're just.

00:26:25.360 Wait, do they do that?

00:26:26.620 They come in pairs?

00:26:28.320 I think it was a male and female.

00:26:30.280 Oh, a couple.

00:26:32.180 Yeah. 0.51

00:26:32.740 Oh, she probably wanted to go on vacation or something,

00:26:34.880 and he probably didn't want to take her.

00:26:36.480 Yeah, they were up there getting all them larvae out of that bark.

00:26:41.960 Oh, it says right here,

00:26:42.660 Yes, pelediate woodpeckers mate for life.

00:26:46.840 They form permanent monogamous pair bonds

00:26:49.060 and stay together year-round in fixed home territories

00:26:52.220 that they defend from other woodpeckers.

00:26:55.360 If one partner dies, the surviving bird will find a new mate.

00:26:59.460 You can learn more about their habits via the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. 0.99

00:27:03.600 Holy shit. 1.00

00:27:04.360 So that's crazy when animals do that shit. 1.00

00:27:06.620 I saw something the other day where a fox, 1.00

00:27:11.200 it's like something about like if a female fox dies,

00:27:15.620 her old man will just like not ever like get another lady.

00:27:21.660 He's like, he's just going to mourn his babe forever.

00:27:25.360 That's honorable, huh?

00:27:27.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:27.900 But if, like, the male dies, the chick's just like, ah, fuck him. 1.00

00:27:32.840 Welcome to Atlanta. 1.00

00:27:34.400 Yeah.

00:27:35.280 You know, it's just, things change so fast, dude.

00:27:39.300 It's that time.

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00:31:17.720 It seems like you've had a lot of people kind of pass away from your kind of life just probably because a lot of the drugs that came to y'all's area.

00:31:25.140 Yeah, drugs, depression.

00:31:27.040 I mean, it was always like overdose

00:31:30.800 You know, a couple friends that I was close to

00:31:34.440 Committed suicide

00:31:35.200 And then a lot of people were kind of hauled off to prison

00:31:37.680 So that's where, you know

00:31:39.200 A lot of the folks that I were friends with

00:31:42.060 And loved and stuff

00:31:43.320 That's like the three ways that they would mostly leave

00:31:47.020 Yeah

00:31:47.920 Was there a funeral that you remember going to?

00:31:52.720 Like, do you remember the first funeral you ever went to?

00:31:54.500 yeah my grandpa's funeral i think was the first one at least that i remember

00:32:00.080 um were you like surprised that people died like i remember i went to a funeral for the first time

00:32:06.540 and even though i had known like like we we knew that my friend's brother had passed away

00:32:10.600 but when i went to the funeral i didn't i don't think i really registered it like

00:32:14.740 and then we went to the funeral and like um it was like oh and it was just like so it was i don't

00:32:21.540 know yeah i remember thinking it was so much it was so much it was falling dude and i just wanted

00:32:28.420 like my tear like i was like it wasn't even my family but it was just like so crazy to think

00:32:34.100 that like this part of that that that's part of it yeah and i remember wanting to be my tears my 0.73

00:32:40.900 tears were like going into the cracks in the fucking floor and i was like god that's i just 0.86

00:32:44.960 want to crawl down in there it well it just feels like it's so like i don't know i was just like 0.93

00:32:51.680 it's it hurts already the fact that you're gonna not have to be here one day something about it

00:32:56.440 already hurts yeah i think that's how i felt like when i was young for sure yeah it's it's tough to

00:33:01.500 think about i mean nobody nobody wants that um but it's kind of the only thing you can count on

00:33:09.980 really yeah i remember thinking it was really like for i it was first time i saw a dead body

00:33:16.460 i think was my grandpa's and i remember like i think my aunt maybe my grandma and stuff was like

00:33:24.240 you know kissing him and stuff and i remember just kind of being like weirded out by that like

00:33:29.560 whoa you know they're like kissing that dead my dead grandpa's body that was a freak 0.94

00:33:35.540 yeah i mean i would i'd be like damn i didn't know what that was possible damn he must have 0.87

00:33:42.560 really had it yeah no he was he was badass man oh if somebody's yeah i think yeah if i'm laying 0.92

00:33:48.880 there i want somebody my friends to come up and tickle me or do some little things like that you

00:33:52.920 know maybe sneak a pill under my tongue or something or give me one hit of lsd at that point

00:33:58.880 yeah because if i die sober man then that's what i want and i don't know if that's crazy to announce

00:34:05.280 whatever but yeah if you come if you come to my funeral you're welcome to slide a little hit of

00:34:09.880 under me you know yeah help you with you know good journey yeah good luck out there brother yeah let's

00:34:16.680 make it hey make it rip bro um dude you had your how's your leg how's the leg going on i know

00:34:22.340 everybody asks you so it's great um yeah i mean it's it's healing up pretty good i've been doing

00:34:29.800 lots of physical therapy and shit last time i saw you i was on crutches now i'm just kind of rocking 0.62

00:34:34.360 this guy. 0.99

00:34:36.000 Hell yeah, that cane, baby.

00:34:38.540 Yeah.

00:34:39.220 Billy Wonka, dude. 1.00

00:34:40.360 That bitch is hype. 1.00

00:34:41.880 Your wife got you that? 1.00

00:34:43.100 Yeah, because this is the cane that Lawrence Talbot had on the original 1941 Universal

00:34:51.620 motion pictures, The Wolfman.

00:34:56.280 And Lawrence, Larry Talbot, in the beginning of the film, he's working on his dad's telescope.

00:35:02.520 He just comes back to England or wherever they're at.

00:35:07.980 And he's working on the telescope, and then he, you know, comes over,

00:35:12.860 and he sees this girl in her window, and she's putting on her earrings and stuff. 0.99

00:35:15.820 He's peeping Tom and that shit. 0.99

00:35:17.400 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:18.000 Yeah.

00:35:19.860 And then so he sees her, and then he realizes she works at the antiques shop.

00:35:24.400 So he goes over there, and he's, like, trying to talk to her.

00:35:27.680 And then he really doesn't know what he's looking for.

00:35:29.740 She's like, well, what are you looking for?

00:35:30.720 And he said

00:35:32.580 Well what I'm really looking for is a walking stick

00:35:34.420 And he picks this one up

00:35:35.360 He's like this one's pretty cool

00:35:36.360 It's got a dog on it

00:35:38.040 And she's like that's a wolf

00:35:39.660 And so he goes out on a double date with this chick

00:35:44.220 With her friend Jenny

00:35:45.380 And she sees this fortune teller in the woods

00:35:48.860 That's actually played by Bela Lugosi

00:35:51.040 Who was like the original Dracula

00:35:52.520 Oh yeah bro

00:35:53.800 Lugosi was like that

00:35:56.080 Yeah

00:35:56.600 The wolf man this is called

00:35:58.540 Yeah man

00:35:59.580 And he was a peeping Tom?

00:36:00.720 Lon Chaney.

00:36:01.760 Yeah.

00:36:02.680 Hell yeah.

00:36:03.480 Hell yeah, dude.

00:36:04.180 That's how he found his girl. 0.99

00:36:06.300 And then, but anyways, that fortune teller sees Jenny in the woods,

00:36:10.480 and he's looking at her palm.

00:36:11.540 He's reading her palm, and he sees this symbol, that star with a circle in it.

00:36:15.160 And then he's like, you guys got to dip.

00:36:17.680 Like, you know, because that's what happens is the wolf man sees that symbol

00:36:23.220 in the palm of his next victim.

00:36:24.840 and um so then you know they're they skedaddle and then all of a sudden you start hearing these 0.99

00:36:33.340 big howls and shit and this wolf is attacking jenny and larry beats the shit out of that wolf 0.99

00:36:39.240 with this cane because it's got a silver head on it silver bullets you know silver can kill a wolf 0.99

00:36:44.560 a werewolf and then he goes home he gets bit in the process and he goes home the the old lady

00:36:51.820 He drops him off, and then, you know, the cops show up,

00:36:55.120 and he's like, man, you know, the fortune teller was found dead in the woods.

00:36:58.460 And he's like, I'm telling you, I killed a plain old ordinary wolf.

00:37:03.020 And so, yeah, anyways, this is the Larry Talbot cane.

00:37:06.280 I'm a big fan of all those old monster movies.

00:37:09.880 Like, my dad used to watch them with me when I was a kid.

00:37:12.080 Yeah.

00:37:12.660 And I just, I was really fascinated with the wolf man when I was little.

00:37:16.940 Like, I wouldn't go outside if there was a full moon.

00:37:19.360 Really?

00:37:19.820 Yeah, because I knew he was out there.

00:37:21.820 dude just lurking on his tippy toes with them fangs yeah and and dude being scared as a kid

00:37:29.720 remember how scary it was when you think of how scary it was when you were scared of something

00:37:36.360 as a kid dude the dark bro yeah yeah bro under a bed get out of here bro yeah monsters in the

00:37:44.380 closet or something or you think something's some shadows you see the um like when it was

00:37:49.860 nighttime and we were driving in the car with my parents and stuff and I was looking out the window

00:37:54.660 we'd be driving past a forest and I used to call them wolf assist trees because I like I knew the

00:37:59.620 wolf was out there and like in the movie he's like looking behind these trees and shit and they're

00:38:03.820 all like oily black and like I just always whenever I saw like the woods at night I was just like I

00:38:09.260 knew the wolf man was out there I believed in him oh dude I remember thinking that like I would

00:38:17.160 Oh, that's him?

00:38:18.260 Yeah, that's Lon Chaney.

00:38:19.700 Lon Chaney Jr. 1.00

00:38:21.620 Damn, he's like that. 0.99

00:38:22.640 He looks like he used to play for the Minnesota Vikings a little bit. 1.00

00:38:25.560 Like my buddy Steve Setzler.

00:38:27.460 He's got that look.

00:38:28.760 Bro, I remember we would watch those Jays.

00:38:31.380 We would watch Friday the 13th movies with our older brothers, 0.99

00:38:35.160 and then our older brothers would just go dip and do some shit 0.98

00:38:37.700 and just leave the younger brothers alike. 0.99

00:38:41.880 The craziest thing you can do is watch a scary movie with your younger brother

00:38:45.140 and then just dip. 1.00

00:38:46.500 because that kid is fucking scared out of his ankles, bro. 0.99

00:38:51.740 I remember me and my friend William just sitting there. 0.99

00:38:54.180 We sat back to back, dude.

00:38:56.140 We were so scared.

00:38:57.240 And we stayed up for as long as we could.

00:39:00.620 We put every light in the house on except the one in my mom's bedroom.

00:39:04.000 And then we put a towel in front of her door so the light wouldn't go in there.

00:39:07.080 And we were like, we are not losing this plate. 0.92

00:39:11.100 Just everything was fucking traumatic, dude. 0.81

00:39:13.760 And you'd hear a car go by and you'd be like, that's Freddy Krueger. 0.97

00:39:16.820 It would always be something that was so intense, bro.

00:39:19.520 My dad, when I was little, there was one night, 0.97

00:39:23.180 because he's the one that showed me the Wolfman and shit when I was, 0.98

00:39:27.180 I don't even know, fucking five, six. 1.00

00:39:30.060 That's crazy. 1.00

00:39:31.180 Yeah.

00:39:31.960 And so I remember there was one night where I was up in my room

00:39:35.480 and I was playing with toy cars.

00:39:37.740 And I was probably supposed to be asleep.

00:39:39.940 And I probably had school the next morning or something. 0.99

00:39:42.380 But I was in there playing with my toy cars and shit 0.99

00:39:45.380 And my dad had this wolf mask 0.99

00:39:47.440 And he went outside

00:39:49.400 And I had a window that went off to the back porch

00:39:52.320 And he, you know, I'm sitting there playing with my toy cars

00:39:55.440 And I heard a noise

00:39:56.820 And I like looked around 0.99

00:39:57.900 And I was like, what the fuck was that? 0.98

00:39:59.660 And I'm like, eh 0.99

00:40:00.180 You know, and I went back to playing

00:40:01.780 And then I heard clearly a scratch on the screen of the window

00:40:05.000 And I looked up, dude

00:40:06.900 And I saw he was wearing that wolf mask 0.99

00:40:09.380 And it fucking, dude 0.99

00:40:11.420 I freaked your dad did that yeah he scared the living shit out of me and I uh I ran out of my 0.99

00:40:19.000 room like down the hallway we lived in this little trailer did you know it was him hell no I mean I 0.56

00:40:24.140 thought it was a wolf you know and uh I ran and I've ran like I jumped from like the hallway all

00:40:30.100 the way over to my mom who was laying on the couch and I just landed right on top of her I was

00:40:35.000 screaming crying my dad came in the back door just laughing he's like it's a mask it's a mask you

00:40:40.640 know oh and i'm just like oh dude i've man it must have been funny but why would you do that

00:40:48.520 scary dude he still talks about it bro yeah i guess but i guess yeah maybe look dude maybe 0.98

00:40:55.400 you're like i'm gonna scare the shit out of this fucking kid you know i'm saying who knows what 0.99

00:40:58.400 parents think because all you have to do is have two beers and be like hey i think i'm gonna scare 1.00

00:41:01.500 my kid the next thing you know you're doing it yeah you know or maybe it's like he's he's supposed

00:41:07.980 to be in bed but he's in there playing with his toy cars i'm gonna go you know oh yeah but dude

00:41:12.840 he just scratched on that that metal screen and i'm like i heard it the first time i was like what 0.79

00:41:17.820 the fuck was that and then second time and he like moved into the light with that mask dude

00:41:22.200 i was so terrified god dude yeah yeah dude they we had uh we called it they called it like haunt 0.99

00:41:30.580 people would go haunting in our area and it was like that was like peeping times they had a lot

00:41:33.900 of peeping times in our area so you'd see people out there almost on the circuit or whatever like

00:41:38.180 people would like hit like it was just like a lot of peeping times you know they busted a lot

00:41:42.000 of dudes in our area they had a lot of pedophiles in our area because they used to have this this

00:41:45.780 law where if he was a pedophile um and you might i don't know if you believe in him or not i believe

00:41:51.480 in him believe in what pedophiles yeah like do i believe they're real yeah yeah i'm pretty sure

00:42:00.240 they're real okay all right same unfortunately same yeah but the problem was dude uh they would

00:42:07.440 have to come to your door they had a law if they moved into the neighborhood they had to come to

00:42:10.440 your door but all of our moms worked in our neighbor like that you know i'm saying like a 1.00

00:42:14.620 lot of it was a lot of single parent families in the mom's work she'd have a pedophile would come 0.98

00:42:18.740 to the door and like have to let you guys know i'm a pedophile oh yeah and it would just be us 0.99

00:42:23.280 kids answering the door like it was the worst oh shit it was the worst idea man that they'd ever 0.99

00:42:29.600 come up with dude because we i remember three different pedophiles or p files people call them 0.98

00:42:35.120 because if they're in a hurry or whatever but i remember three different p files would come and

00:42:39.240 be like hey i'm a i've just have to let you know that i'm registered and then i'm in the in the

00:42:42.460 neighborhood and we're like yeah and we just be standing there dude just kids well i reckon that

00:42:47.020 was like you know probably the early days of the internet and stuff and long before that like

00:42:51.460 database oh for sure this was just when yeah so that's what they had to do is they had to go kind

00:42:56.980 to out themselves. Yeah. Well, they'd organize them before that they were just working freelance

00:43:01.280 or whatever, I guess, you know, before they, you know, had them all registered up. But, um,

00:43:05.160 anyway, let's change the subject. Uh, yeah. Do we, so what happened? Take me through the,

00:43:10.060 uh, take me through a little bit of the, of the injury. So are you, is it better now? Would you

00:43:14.400 say? Uh, yeah, it's definitely getting there. I mean, it's, it's stiff and it hurts a little bit,

00:43:20.420 but yeah, I was just, man, I, I grew up skateboarding and it's always been one of my

00:43:25.700 major loves you know outside of music and um i think you know the last little bit i've been

00:43:33.620 playing a lot more music than skating uh but i was on tour and i was skating a fair amount

00:43:41.580 i remember we went through tampa and i went through the skate park of tampa there

00:43:45.600 dude i've been there yeah that indoor building yeah bro that place bring that place up

00:43:51.260 What's it called?

00:43:52.100 Skate Park of Tampa.

00:43:53.660 Dude, this was one of the neatest things, bro.

00:43:55.900 Thank you so much for reminding me about that today.

00:43:58.140 They let us just come and watch one day and watch all the guys skating.

00:44:01.800 Yeah.

00:44:02.240 Yeah, they have a big contest every year, Tampa Pro. 0.99

00:44:06.060 And when I went this last time, all the pros were there warming up and shit. 0.99

00:44:09.400 Yeah, it was gnarly. 0.96

00:44:10.320 It was cool to go see them skate.

00:44:11.860 But I was skating and, you know, I don't know.

00:44:15.320 And, like, in these arenas that we play, I mean, you know, it's like you get to the back door.

00:44:20.940 sometimes like just the walk to the green room is like a far ass walk right oh yeah dude sometimes

00:44:27.520 you have to stop and even get a snack yeah so i had been using my skate like i would get off the

00:44:33.220 bus and i would just bring my skateboard and i would like slap down also the concrete's always

00:44:37.920 so smooth in there yeah it is pretty slick a lot of the concrete in those places is kind of slick

00:44:42.140 yeah so it's really nice on a skateboard super smooth so i could just like push twice and like

00:44:48.260 be all the way around the whole arena and like, you know,

00:44:51.880 into my green room or whatever.

00:44:53.620 But I, you know, I'd been skating a bunch.

00:44:58.660 And we finished this show in Charlottesville, I think.

00:45:06.480 It's the John Paul Jones Arena.

00:45:09.040 Dude, that's a great spot.

00:45:10.040 Yeah.

00:45:10.600 Been there.

00:45:11.340 Yeah, so we finished there.

00:45:13.020 That town is great.

00:45:14.260 Yeah, it is.

00:45:14.740 That's where UVA is.

00:45:15.480 Yeah, and yeah, I was lucky that I broke my leg there.

00:45:17.940 They had a great medical team there, you know, like the hospitals are great there. 1.00

00:45:24.480 Oh, yeah, you break that bitch up in Syracuse or something. 1.00

00:45:27.000 They'll just wish that bitch was better, you know? 1.00

00:45:28.980 I mean, they can get kind of risque in certain areas. 1.00

00:45:31.340 It was crazy.

00:45:32.300 So, like, I mean, it was really weird.

00:45:35.660 I was all excited after my gig.

00:45:37.620 We just finished the last song.

00:45:39.940 It was this big hide-and-seek jam, and we just spanked the crowd.

00:45:44.040 And I was all excited.

00:45:46.300 I had all this adrenaline from the show, and my board was sitting there.

00:45:50.020 We walked off stage.

00:45:50.900 We were getting ready to do an encore, and so I just grabbed my board.

00:45:53.940 I did, like, a couple bonelesses, and then I went out just right backstage,

00:45:59.520 and I just kind of flung this back 180, and that's, like, it's a go-to trick for me.

00:46:04.700 I've done it millions of times, and I've never broke my leg, you know?

00:46:08.180 But the thing is, is, like, I wasn't, like, focused, and I wasn't really skating.

00:46:12.800 I was just, like, flinging tricks, and I wasn't, like, thinking about it.

00:46:16.300 And it was dark, and I had brand-new, like, sticky shoes on.

00:46:21.620 And so it was weird.

00:46:22.640 Like, I did this back 180, and I kind of slipped out.

00:46:25.340 And then when I put my foot down, my body kept spinning,

00:46:29.600 and I sort of, like, sat on my foot.

00:46:31.940 And my shoes were brand-new, so, like, the bottoms were sticky.

00:46:36.880 And it just, when I put my foot down, my toe stayed right where it was,

00:46:40.420 and the rest of my body kept moving.

00:46:42.060 So I just heard it snap.

00:46:44.000 Nuh-uh.

00:46:44.760 Oh, dude.

00:46:45.380 Yeah, I could hear it over the crowd, like, screaming.

00:46:48.080 And it was just, I mean, it sounded like a two-by-four snapping in half.

00:46:51.340 And I'm laying on the ground, and my guitar tech comes up.

00:46:53.740 Toby, he says, dude, get up.

00:46:56.100 And I'm like, I just broke my leg.

00:46:57.620 And he's like, nah.

00:46:58.440 I'm like, look at it. 0.99

00:46:59.420 It's fucking, it's pointed 90 degrees to the left. 0.99

00:47:02.240 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:02.740 And he's like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:47:04.460 And so I laid there for a minute, and nobody was, like, moving me or anything. 1.00

00:47:08.560 So I'm like, fuck it. 0.99

00:47:09.520 I just got up. 1.00

00:47:10.200 I Lieutenant Dan my ass out of there. 0.95

00:47:12.300 You know? 1.00

00:47:12.900 I just scooted on my ass back behind the curtain. 1.00

00:47:15.840 They came. 0.99

00:47:16.700 They cut my pant leg up.

00:47:18.120 Could you tell it was broken?

00:47:19.320 Oh, I knew it was broken immediately.

00:47:20.900 I mean, I heard it.

00:47:21.940 It was like, and the fact that it was like pointed the wrong way, 0.98

00:47:24.520 it was like, yeah, my leg is fucking broken.

00:47:26.300 Did you try to fix it yourself at all? 0.99

00:47:28.400 No, no, I didn't fuck with it. 0.98

00:47:30.980 But I scooted out of there, and then the medic came, 0.99

00:47:35.720 and he kind of cut my pant leg up, and they took me,

00:47:38.500 and they put me on this stretcher, and then I called my wife,

00:47:41.740 And I'm like, yeah, I just broke my leg.

00:47:43.160 She's like, what? 0.98

00:47:44.040 You know, I'm like, I was dicking around on my skateboard, you know, and fucking slipped 0.97

00:47:47.180 out and somehow I broke my leg. 0.54

00:47:49.880 And all the like pros I've talked to and stuff, they're like, even Tony Hawk, Jamie Thomas,

00:47:54.140 all these cats, they're just like, man, that's how it happens. 1.00

00:47:56.840 It's like some stupid little trick. 1.00

00:47:58.400 Like it's always like some dumb thing. 1.00

00:48:02.080 But so I'm sitting on the stretcher and the guy comes up and he's like, we're going to 0.80

00:48:06.380 give you some fentanyl.

00:48:07.400 I was like, nah, like I was like, no.

00:48:11.360 Like, don't you know how far I've come?

00:48:13.500 Yeah.

00:48:14.080 You know, I was like, fentanyl?

00:48:15.820 Like, you know?

00:48:16.620 And he's like, and you know, one of the guys was like, dude, the roads are pretty bumpy

00:48:20.580 around here.

00:48:21.020 You're going to want that. 1.00

00:48:22.280 I was like, all right, fuck it. 1.00

00:48:23.620 So they gave me fentanyl and IV. 1.00

00:48:25.600 It like took the edge off, you know?

00:48:27.520 Yeah.

00:48:27.860 And at that point, I was starting to like go into shock and I started sweating, but I

00:48:31.420 was freezing and it started to hurt because it didn't even hurt when it happened.

00:48:36.680 It just, I heard it and I knew it was broken, but I had so much adrenaline. 0.95

00:48:40.640 It didn't even fucking hurt. 0.70

00:48:41.680 That's wild, dude. 0.93

00:48:42.620 Was that a pretty just, that whole experience has got to be pretty wild because like adrenaline

00:48:47.180 is just like a crazy drug that God gives you, but you can't just get it whenever you want.

00:48:52.280 Yeah, it was wild.

00:48:53.880 I mean, I knew my leg was broken.

00:48:56.340 I just, I couldn't even feel it at first.

00:48:58.060 I just, my leg was pointed sideways and I'm like, oh man, it's busted.

00:49:01.040 But it didn't like hurt until that adrenaline started to wear off.

00:49:04.640 And then it was like, oh, and then it's kind of started coming. 0.99

00:49:07.520 I'm like, oh shit, here it comes. 0.99

00:49:09.400 And then they gave me that fentanyl. 1.00

00:49:11.280 They hit you with an IV?

00:49:12.220 Yeah.

00:49:12.880 And they were doing that and morphine back to back.

00:49:17.220 Fentanyl would work better, but it only lasts like 10 minutes, you know? 1.00

00:49:20.640 Damn. 0.99

00:49:21.100 And then the morphine would like last longer, but it didn't help as much. 0.99

00:49:24.800 But then, so they got me there and they gave me a red carpet, man.

00:49:28.500 It was like, you know, we got a...

00:49:30.600 You got a police escort?

00:49:31.800 Yeah, police escort.

00:49:32.960 You know, they're like, we got a high profile patient, you know?

00:49:35.800 And so they've, man, they brought me in this back door.

00:49:38.460 They closed off the hallways.

00:49:39.620 There was nobody in there.

00:49:40.500 They wheeled me right into the x-rays immediately. 0.98

00:49:43.800 It was fucking cool. 0.96

00:49:45.480 And then- 0.98

00:49:45.940 Did it feel like a movie kind of?

00:49:47.420 Yeah.

00:49:47.680 I mean, it was just nice that I didn't have to sit there

00:49:49.680 with a broken leg in the emergency room forever.

00:49:51.760 Yeah.

00:49:52.020 Oh, yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:49:52.940 And shit. 1.00

00:49:53.540 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:49:53.900 Getting a little bit of treatment.

00:49:54.980 Yeah.

00:49:55.020 Just to not just sit out there 1.00

00:49:56.900 and some other guy's coughing on your fucking leg 1.00

00:49:58.920 or whatever. 1.00

00:49:59.640 And somebody's fucking, yeah. 1.00

00:50:01.520 Some guy's using you to fucking sleep on your back and shit. 1.00

00:50:04.620 Bro, our healthcare system is fucking crazy, dude. 1.00

00:50:06.840 It's wild. 0.99

00:50:07.520 Just people, like, trying to heal each other, like, religiously and shit in the lobbies 0.98

00:50:11.640 of a lot of these hospitals just got crazy. 0.93

00:50:14.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:14.540 People rubbing pepper jack on each other's fucking necks and shit. 1.00

00:50:17.540 And just people just, like, thinking up shit they can do because they got to wait five 1.00

00:50:21.860 or six hours to get in there to even get a fucking hug, you know? 0.99

00:50:24.620 Yeah, totally. 0.97

00:50:26.100 So I was lucky to get in there, and they x-rayed it and stuff, and, I mean, I can show you

00:50:31.240 the x-rays.

00:50:31.880 They're pretty gnarly.

00:50:33.420 Well, I remember when I saw you in Austin, you showed me a picture that was crazy. 1.00

00:50:36.000 You look like they fucking turned it into a damn violin. 0.99

00:50:38.360 Yeah, that was... 1.00

00:50:39.680 That one you showed me.

00:50:40.900 Well, that's, yeah, after the surgery and stuff.

00:50:43.760 There's one in there right after it happened,

00:50:46.460 before it was even set and splinted, 0.98

00:50:50.620 where it looks really fucked. 0.99

00:50:53.920 Yeah, dude, turn it into a violin. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Dude, what if you had a violin, dude,

00:50:58.200 and you made it wooden,

00:50:59.600 and you put some strings on the side of that bit?

00:51:03.280 That metal bar in there could work as a whammy bar

00:51:05.620 if I ever get it taken out.

00:51:06.920 That's what it looks like.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.800 But dude, the craziest part about the whole thing was,

00:51:11.400 so I get in there and we get it x-rayed. 0.91

00:51:14.000 Yeah, that's the one that looks really screwed.

00:51:15.700 That was before it was set and splinted.

00:51:17.960 So it's what they call a distal tib-fib spiral fracture.

00:51:21.740 And it means like it's broken like pretty close to my ankle,

00:51:26.540 which made it worse.

00:51:27.460 If it was broken in the middle of my leg,

00:51:29.220 they could just put a rod down there, screw it,

00:51:31.920 and like it'd be a lot better.

00:51:33.360 But because it was so close to my ankle, 0.96

00:51:35.060 it was it's a bitch of a surgery like you know and so but dude they uh they x-rayed it and they're

00:51:44.200 like okay we're gonna have to set it and splint it before because I don't I'm not gonna get surgery 0.98

00:51:48.340 till the next morning so they had to get it straight and then um and then put a splint on it

00:51:54.740 and so they needed me to like not be in the room but they couldn't put me under anesthesia so what

00:52:00.560 they did is gave me this huge dose of ketamine. And it was insane. It was like one of the most

00:52:07.220 like crazy psychedelic experiences I've ever had. I mean, they dropped me straight into a K-hole. 0.99

00:52:13.720 Really? And take me through some of that. Take me through the K-hole. Was it like, 1.00

00:52:16.320 was there a layover or was it just straight there? Was it direct flight? Like were you getting emails?

00:52:20.860 Direct flight. I mean, it was immediately everything just folded in on itself and like

00:52:28.400 language and everything kind of made up all these molecules and I could still hear the doctors

00:52:34.160 talking a little bit but they were using now this alien language that I couldn't understand

00:52:37.820 and I was frozen in this like white space and time and I went down into this other dimension

00:52:45.420 it was like when Matthew McConaughey's trying to move the you know book on the shelf it was like 0.83

00:52:49.860 I was trapped behind layers of language and um fuck that's a good description Billy yeah and I 0.73

00:52:56.100 was uh i was there and i knew i was there but i just there was nothing i could do and it felt 0.98

00:53:02.220 like i turned into like computer code or like i felt like i was the the microchip inside of an

00:53:08.600 ipod sending signals but you know um bro and it it was it was wild i felt very much like an

00:53:17.140 inanimate object yes dude that's what it felt like dude yeah i felt like i was playing hide

00:53:22.920 didn't go seek but i just i never told with myself but i'd never told myself that we started 0.81

00:53:28.720 the game like i felt like i had fucking i felt like i would never find my shoes again that's what 0.82

00:53:36.680 i felt like and i also remember feeling like i like i was like something very small that had 0.87

00:53:42.660 fallen behind a piece of furniture yeah anyway sorry i just had like you were making me dude

00:53:47.360 that's some of those thoughts you just had were freaking bananas yeah it was like i was stuck in

00:53:51.840 this frozen dimension and i was just kind of was like well i guess this is life now you know i guess

00:53:59.500 this is this is where i'm at and it this sucks because i i think i'm dead you know and i just 0.88

00:54:06.180 was like well shit and uh it's kind of like well whatever i guess i'm just there was nothing i could 0.92

00:54:11.520 do because i was paralyzed in this state yeah dude i felt like you ever see that ball in the 0.99

00:54:15.520 back of your throat kind of it's there yeah but you just see like every once in a while you kind

00:54:19.780 and get a glimmer out of it through your whole life.

00:54:21.800 Yeah.

00:54:22.360 And yeah, I felt kind of like that.

00:54:23.840 I felt like that, but I'm like an animal somewhere

00:54:25.860 at a zoo that had been closed for almost 2,000 years.

00:54:29.180 Right.

00:54:29.620 That's what I felt like.

00:54:30.360 Yeah, long forgotten.

00:54:31.700 Yes.

00:54:32.320 I felt like these sunglasses that are just sitting here,

00:54:36.600 but nobody knows that they have a soul and a brain,

00:54:39.260 but they can't say or do anything

00:54:42.280 because they're just frozen in these glasses.

00:54:44.340 But you know what I mean?

00:54:45.520 Yeah.

00:54:45.600 So then when I started to come back too,

00:54:48.100 that was hilarious too, 0.53

00:54:49.100 Cause I, I guess I started coming to, there's this lady's face right here and her face is 0.91

00:54:54.200 all distorted and she's talking to me in this alien language. 0.82

00:54:57.020 And I looked at her, I'm like, who are you?

00:54:59.880 You know?

00:55:00.480 And, and, and then I look over here and there's this big tall man in a white shirt.

00:55:04.000 And I was like, uncle John.

00:55:05.920 And then, uh, I, my, my wife said, I was talking all sorts of gibberish about like the inside

00:55:11.540 of an apple core and that like, this has all been predetermined.

00:55:15.420 Like, this was all, you know, thought out

00:55:18.040 And this was, like, part of the plan

00:55:19.680 You know, everything

00:55:21.020 You had the wizard's tongue, they call it

00:55:22.860 Yeah, yeah, for a second there, I thought I was

00:55:25.020 And then I was also speaking complete gibberish

00:55:26.880 Not saying real words

00:55:28.420 Yeah, but that, you got it, yeah 0.99

00:55:29.580 That's fucking, welcome to New Jersey 0.99

00:55:32.360 Yeah, the doctors were running around 0.99

00:55:34.520 Doing a bunch of stuff to me

00:55:35.740 And I just, like, I was like

00:55:36.840 I didn't know what was going on 0.99

00:55:38.700 Like, I thought there were aliens, like, fucking with me 0.99

00:55:41.500 You know, like, trying to probe me or something 1.00

00:55:43.960 And I was like, fuck you. 1.00

00:55:45.780 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:46.100 Like, I just told him that.

00:55:47.100 I was like. 1.00

00:55:47.240 Get away from my ass, whitey. 1.00

00:55:48.640 I was like, I'm sorry. 1.00

00:55:50.200 You know, I didn't mean that.

00:55:51.780 You know?

00:55:52.400 And then.

00:55:53.480 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:55:53.980 There's nothing crazy than being on drugs and being an asshole and apologizing at the same time, dude. 1.00

00:55:58.600 Yes. 1.00

00:55:59.020 Right away. 1.00

00:55:59.800 I was like, fuck you. 1.00

00:56:01.040 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:56:02.400 You know?

00:56:02.740 And then they put this thing on.

00:56:05.600 I mean, it's.

00:56:06.900 You're the best, dude.

00:56:07.980 The.

00:56:08.760 What do you call it?

00:56:09.540 For your blood pressure.

00:56:11.240 Oh, yeah.

00:56:11.540 That cough.

00:56:12.220 Yeah, that cough.

00:56:12.940 It fills up. 0.90

00:56:13.960 So I'm laying there, I'm all fucked up, and that thing fills up, 0.93

00:56:17.260 and probably because of my guns, that thing popped right off, right? 0.94

00:56:22.160 The Velcro came undone, and it goes pop off my arm, 0.92

00:56:25.740 and I go, my butt popped.

00:56:29.800 It felt like my butt cheeks blew up with air, 0.88

00:56:33.040 and then they popped like a bubble. 0.74

00:56:34.660 And I was like, oh, my butt popped. 0.99

00:56:38.620 My wife was trying not to laugh, but I was saying some crazy shit. 0.99

00:56:42.340 and then they uh they brought me upstairs and i was in a lot of pain all night long because they 0.80

00:56:47.900 started giving me like dilatids and and hydrocodone just orally and it wasn't doing anything to the

00:56:54.300 pain i just laid there and moaned and groaned all night dude that but that seems crazy that they 1.00

00:56:58.800 and did they have to go over with your wife if they were going to give you all that medication 0.64

00:57:02.200 like who approves that once you're kind of like yeah my manager was there my wife my security dude

00:57:09.360 Okay, so there were people there at least keeping tabs on you.

00:57:12.520 Yeah.

00:57:12.820 Okay, bet.

00:57:13.560 Yeah, I think my dude, Jim, he rode with me over there,

00:57:17.520 and then my manager and stuff.

00:57:19.100 Yeah, you know Jim.

00:57:19.700 Dude, he's awesome, bro. 1.00

00:57:21.360 Yeah, he's a killer. 0.95

00:57:21.900 He's a great guy. 1.00

00:57:22.800 Yeah. 0.98

00:57:23.800 Then the next morning, they fucking took me down for surgery, 0.97

00:57:27.480 and before they gave me a nerve block, which was the best thing ever, 0.98

00:57:31.000 because it's like an epidural for your leg.

00:57:33.400 It just drenches all the nerves in lidocaine,

00:57:36.460 So I didn't feel nothing then for the first time since it happened.

00:57:39.440 I was like, oh, it just felt so good to not feel it. 0.97

00:57:42.020 Damn, you were like Lemon M in the 2000s. 0.98

00:57:44.160 You were like, okay, Marshall, nothing matters. 0.99

00:57:47.480 Yeah, dude.

00:57:48.780 For sure.

00:57:49.740 That's crazy, bro. 1.00

00:57:50.900 And they gave me this one shit. 1.00

00:57:51.900 I can't remember what it was called, but it had me so chilled out. 0.99

00:57:55.020 And then like, God, dude, it sounds like this is kind of the worst thing to say, 0.97

00:57:59.360 being in recovery, but to fucking say like, yeah, using drugs, 0.96

00:58:03.300 Like, in a hospital, like, under, like, proper care. 0.99

00:58:06.600 Yeah, it was a freebie.

00:58:07.560 Yeah, it was a freebie, dude.

00:58:08.800 Yeah.

00:58:09.320 It was.

00:58:09.800 It really was.

00:58:10.580 I mean, and I...

00:58:11.740 You earned it.

00:58:13.280 Except for the...

00:58:14.300 I mean, I sort of enjoyed the ketamine, but it was also terrifying.

00:58:18.000 Because I thought I was frozen in a... 1.00

00:58:19.600 Oh, yeah, that shit's horrible. 1.00

00:58:20.620 Different dimension, you know? 1.00

00:58:21.680 Yeah, you're like, nobody's ever going to come.

00:58:23.260 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:58:24.360 Yeah, I thought my brain had fried, and I, you know...

00:58:27.460 It was like you took a glass of water and poured it on a television or something.

00:58:31.580 It was like all the, you know, my brain just fried.

00:58:34.180 But, man, the thing that they gave me right before surgery,

00:58:37.220 I don't know what it was, but it had me so chilling.

00:58:41.120 And I was finally just getting some rest and some relief.

00:58:45.080 And then my oxygen kept going down, so my thing started beeping.

00:58:48.840 So I'd start chilling like this, and then it'd go beep, beep, beep. 0.69

00:58:51.940 And then this lady would come in and say, 0.67

00:58:53.400 I need you to take a big, deep breath for me.

00:58:55.280 I'm like, you know, I take a deep breath, and then I chill a little bit,

00:58:59.120 and then it goes beep, beep.

00:58:59.900 And she's like, I need you to breathe.

00:59:01.200 And I'm like, I am breathing.

00:59:02.620 You know, like, just leave me alone. 0.95

00:59:04.180 Like, I'm fucking chilling finally, you know. 1.00

00:59:06.680 God, now that I'm chilling, you're coming in here making me breathe and shit. 0.99

00:59:09.780 Because I guess I was so chilled out I wasn't even breathing. 0.99

00:59:12.220 I was just, you know.

00:59:14.560 Yeah, that's one of those breath diggers, dude. 0.50

00:59:17.140 It was good. 1.00

00:59:17.780 Chicks like that that just want to fucking all they care about is you filling your lungs up, dude. 1.00

00:59:22.340 All those fucking just those lung diggers or whatever they call them. 1.00

00:59:25.000 Probably the smartest thing that I did coming out of the hospital was I gave 1.00

00:59:29.640 all my pain meds to my wife and I said, you divvy these up, you know, 1.00

00:59:35.620 you're in charge of this.

00:59:37.280 Like give me my pills when I need them and stuff.

00:59:39.380 Cause I know myself too well.

00:59:40.920 I'd be like, Oh man, one of these is good.

00:59:43.400 I wonder what two is like.

00:59:45.540 So then, uh, yeah.

00:59:47.100 Start hiding or whatever.

00:59:48.720 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:49.300 I'd fucking start boo for them. 0.99

00:59:50.900 I don't care what I want to do. 0.99

00:59:51.580 Crush one up and snort it or something.

00:59:52.860 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:53.300 But snort it with my ass, brother. 1.00

00:59:54.760 i get it you know what i'm saying if i had to like little parachute if yeah what's it called 1.00

00:59:59.320 little parachute oh yeah little parachute bro if yeah yeah dude i'd send somebody behind enemy

01:00:05.320 lines you know i'd send one of them behind enemy lines for sure yeah but yeah i can't trust myself

01:00:10.980 can't trust myself yeah i and i'm you know i've just been around it a lot and i know myself i'm

01:00:16.920 an addict so i was like scared to you know be on that stuff anyways but i had to take out they

01:00:23.640 They gave me Dilaudid's, and then I was on this, what is it called?

01:00:28.680 Gabapentin was like the nerve pain thing.

01:00:31.300 I just saw a lawsuit about Gabapentin.

01:00:33.600 You may be able to be part of this. 1.00

01:00:35.400 Dude, that shit gave me vertigo like a motherfucker. 1.00

01:00:37.260 It was crazy, dude. 1.00

01:00:38.780 But, yeah, I weaned off it in like, I weaned off like everything in like two weeks.

01:00:44.020 And then I was just on like ibuprofen and stuff.

01:00:47.220 So it was pretty good.

01:00:48.300 Two weeks.

01:00:49.080 Two weeks is a long haul.

01:00:50.240 Let's read it really quick.

01:00:51.120 Is that new?

01:00:52.440 Yeah, June.

01:00:53.160 Is it related to dementia? 1.00

01:00:55.480 Shut up. 0.99

01:00:56.840 But look, dude, I'm just going to tell you just in case. 1.00

01:00:59.100 Because I'm telling you this shit gave me vertigo like weird brain shit 0.99

01:01:02.200 to where when I'm laying in bed and I roll over like this, 0.99

01:01:05.660 next thing you know I'm spinning.

01:01:06.760 You know how when you get way too drunk and you're spinning 0.71

01:01:09.260 and you can't fucking hold the – that's what it was doing to me, dude. 0.75

01:01:13.360 One of the first times it happened, I laid back in bed 0.97

01:01:15.980 and I moved my head like this, and I was like that

01:01:18.300 because I thought the bed was falling down into the floor.

01:01:20.940 I thought I was going to slide off the end of it. 0.99

01:01:23.160 Dude, fuck yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0.99

01:01:25.020 Dude, when I was like 13 or something, I fucking, 0.99

01:01:28.320 the dude left the Gravitron door open at our fair one time, 1.00

01:01:30.800 and my fucking legs were hanging out of that bitch. 1.00

01:01:33.080 And dude, no joke, bro. 1.00

01:01:34.800 I walked sideways for probably almost 11 days after that, dude.

01:01:40.020 I just like, my body just could not adjust to what was going on. 0.99

01:01:43.900 That thing would, that thing fucking remixed my little ass. 0.99

01:01:48.200 There is currently no nationwide class action lawsuit 0.99

01:01:51.140 or multi-district litigation for these cognitive claims.

01:01:54.640 The allegation lawsuits are being investigated or filed individually,

01:01:58.140 alleging that manufacturers failed to warn patients and doctors

01:02:01.880 about potential long-term neurocognitive risks,

01:02:05.720 such as mild cognitive impairment or dementia,

01:02:09.040 tied to repeated use for off-label conditions like back or neck pain.

01:02:12.900 Anyway, that just passed through my brainosphere the other day.

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01:04:48.120 Just a second ago, you mentioned addiction.

01:04:51.760 When you say, like, I know myself, I know I'm an addict,

01:04:56.240 like, what is that kind of, like, addiction,

01:04:58.620 it feels like it's almost this shadow that has its own game plan or something.

01:05:02.440 You know what I'm saying?

01:05:02.780 Like addiction is kind of a weird thing.

01:05:03.880 I think a lot of people don't understand it.

01:05:06.120 And I'm not saying that I understand it totally, right?

01:05:08.480 I know that I have addiction.

01:05:09.900 I know that I struggle with addiction.

01:05:11.400 But I think it's just interesting to think about what it is, you know?

01:05:14.940 Yeah, it's an illness.

01:05:16.900 I mean, I think some people are lucky enough not to have it.

01:05:20.720 I think, you know, people who can go out and have a couple beers with their dinner

01:05:27.540 or a glass of wine with their steak or whatever, it's like, man,

01:05:32.440 yeah that's that's amazing i wish i could do that yeah because it i'm like we need to like

01:05:37.920 get a bottle of whiskey and finish it and you know we need to go on a mission to get more after 0.87

01:05:41.700 that's gone oh dude i'll fucking if i come over your house and you give me a glass of wine i'm 0.99

01:05:46.580 gonna fucking get an eight ball i'm gonna sell i'll sell your front porch on edsy yeah you know 1.00

01:05:50.960 i'm saying i'll sell all your fucking windows out of your house you little you want to know 0.99

01:05:54.820 and i'm gonna take that out but uh you want to know what's crazy is that it just yeah it's just 0.99

01:05:59.860 not going to end well, dude. So after my mom died, um, and I was in Australia when I found out that

01:06:09.300 she'd died from an overdose. I was in Australia on tour. I still had no idea what happened.

01:06:14.300 I was like, was it an aneurysm, a heart attack? Like what the hell happened? And then I got her

01:06:18.880 autopsy and her, um, her papers back and it's, you know, her, her death certificate. And it said

01:06:24.180 methamphetamine intoxication was the cause of death. 0.99

01:06:27.980 Like, holy shit, you know? 0.99

01:06:30.000 Because that was a surprise. 1.00

01:06:31.240 Yeah, big time.

01:06:32.380 I mean, and I had no idea that she was using again and stuff.

01:06:35.620 So it broke my heart and, you know, I've been dealing with it.

01:06:38.500 But as soon as I got back home from Australia, I went straight over to her house 0.99

01:06:42.940 and I went up in her bedroom and I started digging through shit 0.95

01:06:45.500 and I found her stash and I found all these, you know, pipes 0.99

01:06:49.920 and, you know, little bags and vials and stuff and all that shit. 0.72

01:06:54.180 But, dude, the difference is, like, this speed was different than the stuff I was used to.

01:07:01.020 Like, back when I was around that scene, living in Ionia, and it was that epidemic at that time,

01:07:07.580 it was being cooked in this area, and it was, like, Sudafed, like, shake-and-bake, kind of country bumpkin sort of crank. 0.99

01:07:16.560 I knew you were talking about, like, just, like, that homemade shit kind of. 0.98

01:07:18.700 Yeah, it was, like, white powdery stuff, and you, you know, put it in a pipe or a light bulb or a foil. 0.99

01:07:23.020 Like jenkum or whatever.

01:07:25.100 Not exactly.

01:07:26.200 Not exactly.

01:07:26.840 But I know what you're saying.

01:07:27.760 But I'm just saying it's like a localized mixture.

01:07:29.940 It's like a local recipe.

01:07:31.060 Yeah.

01:07:31.480 But it got the job done. 0.99

01:07:32.640 Anyways, this shit that I found after she had died when I found her stash, 0.99

01:07:36.780 this was straight crystal glass. 0.99

01:07:39.820 And I had never even seen shit like that before, right? 0.99

01:07:42.080 I had heard about it, and everybody's seen Breaking Bad and shit. 0.99

01:07:45.200 But I'm looking at it. 0.96

01:07:45.900 I got this vial, and it's like half full. 0.99

01:07:48.160 And I'm like, damn. 0.98

01:07:49.100 And it just looks like broken glass in there, like shards. 0.99

01:07:51.920 Really?

01:07:52.580 Yeah.

01:07:53.020 And I, you know, I'd never.

01:07:54.940 Does it look at anything like that?

01:07:55.940 I mean, we just brought up a picture here.

01:07:57.420 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:58.100 I mean, I could also, I could send you the pictures of it.

01:08:00.180 But, dude, you want to know what the first thought that went through my head was?

01:08:08.180 I was like, man, I should just take a little bit of this and put it aside for like a rainy day.

01:08:14.340 Yeah.

01:08:14.980 You know, because I don't, where the hell else would I get some?

01:08:17.860 You know, I don't know anybody anymore or whatever.

01:08:20.280 that's like that attic you know coming through it's like this literally the stuff that i'm

01:08:26.040 holding in my hand killed my mom and my first thought is i should take some and just hide it

01:08:32.160 like that way if i need it someday yeah you know i'll have it and um yeah it was just that was a

01:08:40.980 crazy thought you know and i i just ended up you know getting rid of it i i got a hold of my buddy

01:08:46.760 My friend Alec, who's a police officer

01:08:50.800 I went to high school with growing up

01:08:52.960 And I called him and I was like

01:08:55.220 Man, can you have one of your boys come just grab this stuff

01:08:57.620 Like, I don't want to put it in the trash can

01:09:00.420 Because I'll go digging back through there later

01:09:02.200 Or my dad will or something

01:09:03.640 Or somebody will

01:09:05.000 Or I just needed to get, like, actually dispose of it

01:09:07.560 You know, and so my mom would have hated that

01:09:10.780 She always told me, don't even speak to the police

01:09:13.320 But, yeah 0.99

01:09:14.700 Damn 0.98

01:09:14.900 Yeah 0.99

01:09:16.380 Man, another crazy thing too is like-

01:09:18.900 It's a good definition of it.

01:09:20.420 Yeah.

01:09:21.180 I mean, that's how bad it is.

01:09:23.400 It's like, like I said, this literally killed my mom.

01:09:26.020 And I'm thinking, man, I should just take a little bit.

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:29.440 Put it aside.

01:09:30.220 Nobody would know.

01:09:31.540 And also thoughts like for a rainy day.

01:09:33.640 Oh, yeah.

01:09:34.160 I would be like, let me keep some so I can scrapbook it.

01:09:37.620 I'm not even joking.

01:09:38.500 That's what my brain would do.

01:09:39.560 So I can like have like a, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:41.920 Like, I'll think like, let me keep some for like a memory.

01:09:44.920 You know what I'm saying?

01:09:45.540 Like, but yeah, but there's a part of my brain that's like, uh, man, I don't know.

01:09:50.740 That's just a good, I'm sorry to hear that.

01:09:53.280 I know we had texted kind of around that time, but, um.

01:09:55.700 Well, yeah, man.

01:09:56.300 And I appreciate you, uh, reaching out, you know, this guy, he got a big heart.

01:10:02.680 I mean, you stayed in touch with me through all that when I was in the hospital with my

01:10:09.160 dad, you kept, you know, kept in touch and you offered to come walk my dog.

01:10:15.340 when I broke my leg, like, man, you're, you're a good dude. And I appreciate all that, you know?

01:10:20.520 Well, thanks, man. You're the probably, you're one of the realest guys we've ever,

01:10:24.540 you're one of the realest people I've been around. I don't know how God gave you that gift to be so

01:10:28.560 real. I'm sorry to hear about your mom, dude. Yeah. She loved you, bro. Did she? Yeah. Oh,

01:10:37.780 yeah. She loved you, man. What did I met her somewhere? Did you? Yeah. I met her somewhere.

01:10:42.540 And I'm trying to think if it was at a show of you.

01:10:48.260 Yeah, probably.

01:10:51.160 Was that a lot of your shows, right?

01:10:53.260 Mm-hmm.

01:10:54.840 Yeah, she came to so many shows. 0.98

01:10:57.800 Like, I would be in fucking New Orleans or Seattle or Texas or somewhere, dude, 1.00

01:11:04.600 and she would just show up in my green room. 0.98

01:11:06.340 I'd be like, what are you doing here?

01:11:08.080 She's like, oh, I hitchhiked down with so-and-so, and, you know,

01:11:11.300 can you get me a hotel room?

01:11:12.540 Really? 1.00

01:11:13.260 I'm like, holy shit, mom. 1.00

01:11:14.840 I'll sleep on the bus. 1.00

01:11:15.820 You can have my room.

01:11:18.540 Yeah, what was her spirit like?

01:11:21.260 Tell us, if it's okay with you, let's just think about her for a second.

01:11:24.800 Man, she was a hard to explain.

01:11:29.080 She was a beautiful, beautiful soul.

01:11:31.340 And I've never met anybody else like her, that's for sure.

01:11:35.660 I mean, she was born in 1960 on Halloween.

01:11:39.640 No way. 1.00

01:11:40.440 Yeah, she's a Scorpio.

01:11:41.600 So she was like, she was always kind of like psychic and always had this intuition.

01:11:47.900 Always, even though she was an outlaw, she like never, you know, she skirted around the

01:11:53.640 law in a lot of different times.

01:11:56.680 Like just, but yeah, she loved music and she loved art.

01:12:02.660 She was an artist.

01:12:03.400 She made a lot of art.

01:12:05.080 You loved music, huh?

01:12:06.440 Oh, yeah.

01:12:06.920 I mean, I remember being a little kid, like, a little kid,

01:12:12.120 and she would, like, show me all these, you know.

01:12:14.460 Do you know who this is?

01:12:15.400 Oh, this is, you know, Led Zeppelin, or this is, you know, Pearl Jam,

01:12:19.100 or this is, she used to play, she did, like, backwards masking

01:12:23.800 where she'd play the record backwards and find, like, secret messages in it.

01:12:28.600 And she was playing me when I remember being just a little kid.

01:12:31.980 She was playing Revolution No. 9 backwards, the Beatles' White Album,

01:12:35.520 Showing me how it says

01:12:37.600 Turn me on dead man

01:12:38.760 And I'm just like a little

01:12:40.600 Seven years old or something

01:12:41.900 Mom what are you doing

01:12:43.880 But yeah she was amazing man 0.98

01:12:47.000 She dealt with a lot of

01:12:50.000 A lot of trauma

01:12:52.040 In her life

01:12:52.860 I mean I think she had a wild

01:12:54.500 Upbringing anyways

01:12:56.200 I mean when she was

01:12:57.640 Is that a picture of her when she was young

01:12:59.400 Yeah

01:12:59.940 When she was like

01:13:02.640 16 years old

01:13:04.440 Bro, go back to that one picture

01:13:06.520 Look at what a curious 1.00

01:13:08.560 But also kind of mysterious young lady she is 1.00

01:13:11.140 Yeah, yeah 1.00

01:13:11.860 But witchy too 1.00

01:13:13.440 Like she's just something 0.97

01:13:14.720 There's something different about her, man

01:13:16.040 Just like she came from like another realm

01:13:17.920 Just to audit humanity 0.97

01:13:19.200 Yeah, I mean she definitely did 1.00

01:13:21.380 She was tapped into some shit 0.99

01:13:23.640 That we will never really know about 1.00

01:13:26.340 And it was always crazy too

01:13:28.300 Because like, man, she's got so many crazy stories

01:13:30.700 And I would hear these stories

01:13:32.900 And I wouldn't even believe them, you know 0.98

01:13:34.420 She's like, oh, I was hanging out with those dudes from Blow, like, down in, like, Miami and shit. 0.86

01:13:39.220 They had, you know, they were breaking out lines this long, and they were, you know, they had boats full of money.

01:13:46.140 They didn't have anywhere else to put their money, so they just would buy a boat and just put it on this boat and park it in the marina.

01:13:51.340 Like, just full of cash, you know.

01:13:54.040 And then, you know, things, just crazy things.

01:13:57.560 And I would not believe her, right, because these stories would be so insanely just, like, whatever, you know.

01:14:04.420 And then, you know, like she used to hang out with like all the bands

01:14:09.340 She would get backstage

01:14:10.160 She's got, you know, I got pictures with her like Lynyrd Skynyrd

01:14:13.880 And, you know, all these old bands

01:14:16.720 She said one of those bands

01:14:18.040 What was that band? 0.87

01:14:20.200 38 Special or some shit like that 1.00

01:14:22.180 One of these bands had a damn chimpanzee that would ride on roller skates 0.99

01:14:26.700 And bring drinks around 1.00

01:14:27.860 Really? Who was it?

01:14:29.360 That's what she said anyways

01:14:30.540 And I'm like, okay, you know

01:14:32.500 And then later on 1.00

01:14:33.700 She seems like such a gypsy woman. 1.00

01:14:36.300 Yeah, she was, man.

01:14:37.760 Later on in life, there would be somebody, you know,

01:14:40.120 that show up, one of her old girlfriends or something.

01:14:42.940 Debbie, remember that time we were partying with the band

01:14:45.060 and they had the chimpanzee? 0.94

01:14:46.300 And I'm like, are you shitting me?

01:14:47.900 You know, and it would always be like some story 0.97

01:14:50.920 that I did not believe. 1.00

01:14:53.000 But just crazy shit like that, man. 1.00

01:14:55.580 She had a wild life, and it makes sense 1.00

01:14:58.580 that she would go out like that

01:14:59.740 because she's not going to go out in some boring way.

01:15:02.300 she's not going to get sick and drag it out.

01:15:04.500 She's just going to, and that's the other thing about her is she would be there

01:15:07.820 and like you're partying and you're hanging out.

01:15:09.920 And then it's like, where's Deb?

01:15:11.220 Like she just, she would just leave without saying a word.

01:15:14.480 And like, that's how she left, you know, is how she always did.

01:15:18.320 And it was, you know,

01:15:20.740 now that I've had more time to process it and just been in a lot of therapy

01:15:24.220 and stuff. And like, I mean, obviously it still tears me up.

01:15:27.240 I'm like grieving a lot in my dreams.

01:15:30.280 um I wake up like suffocating in my sleep and I just like I my mom comes to me and I but it's

01:15:37.280 never like a sweet like beautiful thing it's always like a really painful and I wake up and

01:15:42.580 I'm just like not breathing and I'm like I'm crying so hard in my sleep that it just wakes me

01:15:47.760 up and my throat hurts and my head is throbbing and I'm and so I feel like I'm I'm grieving a

01:15:52.800 lot in my sleep or something but um well she seems so whimsical it's almost like the only

01:15:57.960 the place you could even touch her is in your dreams in a way you know i'm saying like she's

01:16:02.300 just seems like such an ethereal type of creature you know it's we even hearing you talk about it

01:16:06.900 man um it's so wild that she loved music so much and that the thing that she created was a musician

01:16:15.400 it's just kind of like yeah like i don't know it's kind of um it's pretty cool yeah you know

01:16:25.060 Because sometimes our mothers go through a lot, I think,

01:16:26.780 and we don't realize it, you know?

01:16:28.500 Because a lot of moms, they don't really share all that with you.

01:16:31.340 Well, I think that was a big part of her, you know, addiction and stuff was, 0.88

01:16:38.620 let's see, I mean, she had a crazy upbringing anyways.

01:16:42.740 My grandpa was always drinking, coming in, smashing up the house,

01:16:45.920 and it was just a wild place to grow up.

01:16:48.920 And then she was with my dad, William Apostle, and he died when he was 35.

01:16:59.800 I was two years old.

01:17:02.020 And that was only a couple years after her sister was murdered.

01:17:10.080 So her sister was her best friend, and Mel, who's now free, 0.99

01:17:18.920 on a fucking bass boat somewhere. 0.99

01:17:21.700 He killed my Aunt Carla with a .45, point blank, 1.00

01:17:25.360 closed case, fucking, you know. 1.00

01:17:30.660 And my mom, you know, there was that. 1.00

01:17:34.520 And then a couple years later, my dad died of an overdose or,

01:17:39.540 I mean, that's what it was.

01:17:41.360 But also there's a lot of like kind of word on the street is

01:17:44.360 somebody actually gave him a hot shot, like on purpose.

01:17:48.920 So like, um, that's the crazy thing too, is I just came across all these, uh, my cousin

01:17:54.400 Patrice, she just found all these old tapes that was my grandma apostles from her home

01:17:59.440 phone back in the day.

01:18:01.020 And, uh, it's the first time I ever heard my dad's voice on these tapes, you know, and

01:18:09.500 it's just really crazy. 0.96

01:18:10.480 The shit that they were all doing back in the day, everybody was in and out of jail, 1.00

01:18:14.020 all this crazy shit going down. 0.99

01:18:16.260 So was it voicemails and stuff like that? 0.99

01:18:17.840 Leaving on a message machine?

01:18:18.760 No, it was like my grandma had her own phone tapped,

01:18:21.200 and every single phone call would just be recorded.

01:18:23.440 Sorry, dude.

01:18:24.180 That's just so bizarre.

01:18:25.840 Yeah.

01:18:26.300 And perfect for your life.

01:18:29.060 And what a gift now that she had it in a weird way that you get to hear them.

01:18:33.480 I can hear my dad calling his mom kind of from jail or something,

01:18:39.460 bitching about whatever, this and that,

01:18:41.720 or I need some money in my commissary. 0.59

01:18:46.580 I gave my shirt away to this one guy or whatever.

01:18:48.760 Because he was like that too.

01:18:49.920 He was like kind of this Robin Hood type.

01:18:51.680 Like he would go in, my dad, he would go in and some store, Walmart or something.

01:19:00.220 Back in the day, there was them hyper color shirts.

01:19:02.680 Yeah, and you'd blow on it and it would change colors.

01:19:04.860 Yeah.

01:19:05.360 So he would go in and like steal a whole rack of those.

01:19:08.480 Like just come out with the rack and put it in the car. 0.98

01:19:10.460 And then he would like drive around Lansing and like give them away to the homeless people and shit. 0.98

01:19:14.040 Dude, the fact that the homeless are out there. 0.99

01:19:17.060 Reffing hyper colors, yeah.

01:19:18.540 I've been hyper-colored.

01:19:20.100 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:21.160 Those were the shit. 1.00

01:19:22.520 Bro, that's so wild. 1.00

01:19:23.540 But yeah, I've always heard a lot of crazy stories about my dad, too. 0.99

01:19:26.200 He was, I mean, they were all nuts, dude. 0.99

01:19:28.860 Just a fucking wild bunch, you know, hillbillies. 0.99

01:19:32.680 And my dad, like, there's this one story where he worked at a cable company for a while. 0.99

01:19:39.380 Was it Eldridge or whatever?

01:19:41.580 I don't know.

01:19:42.400 It was some kind of.

01:19:44.520 But they made cable, like long cable?

01:19:46.200 No, I'm talking about, like, for TV.

01:19:47.960 okay bet like so even when i was a little kid my grandma always had free cable it was just hooked

01:19:56.400 up it was like wired in and my dad had did that when he was back when he was alive and um it's

01:20:03.220 like he would he climbed up the the telephone pole or whatever and he's got the case open

01:20:08.920 and then everybody on fairfield street came out of their house and was looking because their tv

01:20:13.780 got shut off or something and he's all up there on that pole he's like do you have hbo and they're

01:20:19.300 like no and he's like he's like well you will in a minute just go back inside you know so he hooked

01:20:24.700 up everybody on fairfield street's cable for free like after he worked for the company you know 0.97

01:20:30.200 yeah shit like that he was like robin hood bro bro he'd we could use him now to take care of 0.97

01:20:35.580 these flock cameras that's what we could use him now yeah man one of the craziest things too is 0.99

01:20:40.340 like that I'm coming to terms with and like learning and, and stuff like that is just

01:20:45.280 hearing him, hearing him talk about me and my brother and stuff.

01:20:50.280 Like when I was growing up and he was, you know, he died when I was two, I always thought,

01:20:55.040 oh, well, he loved heroin more than me.

01:20:57.480 Right. 0.99

01:20:57.860 And I'm kind of, you know, I was kind of like, well, screw him. 0.90

01:21:00.700 I got my, you know, Terry, that's my dad. 0.95

01:21:03.200 He raised me up.

01:21:04.000 He taught me everything I know, how to play and everything.

01:21:06.840 And, uh, I always kind of had this chip on my shoulder about my real dad.

01:21:10.340 but it's just not the case.

01:21:12.640 I mean, he did love me and my brother, and he did try his best,

01:21:16.540 and he was trying to get his life straight and stuff,

01:21:19.780 and it turns out there's a pretty good chance that he was kind of murdered, you know?

01:21:24.940 Like somebody shot him up with like a hot shot is what they used to call it.

01:21:29.680 Would people do that to people like they didn't like,

01:21:31.980 who they knew were struggling with addiction sometimes?

01:21:34.240 Is that a common thing? 0.55

01:21:35.140 It's a way to murder somebody with that.

01:21:36.860 You know, it just looks like an overdose.

01:21:38.240 That's a good point.

01:21:38.920 And I think that was happening a lot back then.

01:21:41.100 I mean, the guy who supposedly did it, Steve Rogers,

01:21:44.080 he died the same exact way months or a year later.

01:21:48.700 And I think his old lady Martha might have shot him up like that

01:21:51.820 because she loved my dad, you know, or whatever.

01:21:55.980 But I think there was a lot of that tit-for-tat stuff going on back then.

01:22:00.600 And, yeah, it's crazy to learn about and hearing these tapes and stuff

01:22:06.180 Because there's also tapes of my mom calling my grandma Apostle, talking about what happened.

01:22:12.980 My grandma Connie on my mom's side calling my grandma Betty on the Apostle side,

01:22:18.180 calling and telling her what happened to her son and stuff.

01:22:24.300 Apparently he collapsed in the driveway and Steve Rogers was like, let's get out of here.

01:22:29.980 And, you know, Martha's like, hell no

01:22:32.980 And took him inside and was trying to do CPR and everything

01:22:37.240 And, you know, so hearing all this stuff is really

01:22:40.220 I went down a bad rabbit hole of it when I found all these tapes

01:22:43.520 And I started listening to everything

01:22:45.560 And I just, you know, it's like I'm trying to put these puzzle pieces back together from 1995, you know

01:22:50.820 Oh, it's like a serial podcast

01:22:52.360 Yeah, I mean, it's just, but it's like my dad, you know

01:22:56.540 Yeah, you have to go down it

01:22:58.720 Was it a lot of hours of tapes?

01:23:00.500 There's a lot of them on there, yeah.

01:23:02.980 I haven't even listened to all of them yet.

01:23:04.440 Wow. 0.87

01:23:04.940 But there's also just, like, I always thought the Lee side was crazy

01:23:08.540 because my grandpa, for instance, he was an outlaw, race car driving, 0.90

01:23:12.980 and, you know, bringing moonshine up to Michigan, crazy, just a crazy bunch.

01:23:17.480 And he hung out with, like, Riff Raff from Lansing and stuff. 0.94

01:23:20.540 Like, his whole crew was just, like, dude, crazy.

01:23:26.840 There's this guy named Art Schaefer, and he's still around. 1.00

01:23:30.540 And Art Schaefer was like a klepto. 0.96

01:23:32.760 And he would hang out with my grandpa. 1.00

01:23:35.300 My grandpa hung out with the outcasts.

01:23:38.820 He would befriend these guys.

01:23:40.160 There was this guy, Billy Struble, who was mentally challenged.

01:23:44.000 And there was Art Schaefer, and there was Hillbilly Pete, who had a big beard.

01:23:48.660 And he always had a big 40 wrapped up in a paper bag.

01:23:50.920 He never really said much.

01:23:52.120 But Billy Struble was always like

01:23:54.960 You know, helping my grandma mow the yard and stuff

01:23:57.420 And he was always real proud

01:23:58.400 Guess who mowed the yard, Boomer?

01:24:00.480 I did it, I did it, you know

01:24:02.480 And I was like, hell yeah, Billy

01:24:03.640 He always smelled like coffee

01:24:04.760 Yeah

01:24:05.480 And like bad, kind of stinky coffee

01:24:08.100 But then Art Schaefer 0.99

01:24:09.460 He's total klepto 1.00

01:24:11.480 And so there's this great story of him 0.99

01:24:13.800 My uncle worked at this place called Crystal Ray

01:24:17.920 And they had events there and stuff

01:24:20.580 And so they had all these, what was it, like turkeys or some ribs or something in the freezer.

01:24:30.400 Was it like a convention center type or like a place, like a hall people would go and have?

01:24:34.420 Exactly, like a VFW, kind of like a hall.

01:24:37.140 They would have like bingo there and stuff.

01:24:38.780 Weddings, maybe bingo.

01:24:39.720 Weddings, yeah.

01:24:40.360 Maybe, yeah.

01:24:41.520 But my Uncle Billy, he worked at this place.

01:24:44.120 And so, oh, they were steaks is what they were, big old steaks.

01:24:48.020 and so they were going to have this event

01:24:49.960 and they were going to cook all these steaks

01:24:51.600 and Art Schaefer was good friends

01:24:53.920 with my Uncle Billy

01:24:55.440 and he found out there was all these steaks there

01:24:57.780 and he went and stole all them steaks

01:24:59.400 and so he had them

01:25:02.260 and my Uncle Billy

01:25:04.320 he said

01:25:04.800 the next day or something

01:25:07.140 he said man

01:25:07.940 he was sitting there with Art

01:25:09.300 and he knew how to draw it out of him

01:25:10.680 he said man Art

01:25:12.200 man it's a nice day

01:25:14.480 I mean

01:25:14.820 i sure wish we had some of them steaks that come up missing man i'm sure they'd be good and he goes

01:25:20.980 they are good you know he snitched on himself he said they are good bro my buddy antonio the other

01:25:30.800 day he freaking he had some bad zins that he bought off the internet like like a bunch of

01:25:35.880 cans of them so he went and sold them to like some gas station owner like at some like kind 1.00

01:25:40.120 a small gas station knowing they were bad but then fucking such an idiot two days later he went to 0.99

01:25:46.740 that gas station and bought a cans of them because he was just going to buy zins he bought his own 0.99

01:25:51.380 bad zins back oh my gosh were they like expired or something i don't know they were just i think

01:25:56.220 they were bootleg when he bought off the internet or something i think oh like fake yeah i think he 0.98

01:25:59.720 got them on etsy or whatever golly bitch that's what you fucking get for getting zins off of etsy 0.97

01:26:04.100 yeah um man i was on those things for a while i just kind of last couple of months or whatever 1.00

01:26:09.500 I got off them damn things. 0.98

01:26:11.820 Dude, it's like we spend so much of our lives 0.99

01:26:13.720 trying to get off of some of this stuff.

01:26:15.300 Now I'm just on coffee.

01:26:16.920 And I quit smoking weed back in December.

01:26:20.880 What made you want to quit?

01:26:23.240 Dude, it was like kind of on my mind for a while,

01:26:26.940 like wanting to quit.

01:26:28.360 And then there was two like real big moments.

01:26:32.700 First, what happened is I was leaving 0.99

01:26:37.220 to go to the grocery store to go get some groceries and just, you know, get some shit 0.98

01:26:42.220 to eat. 0.99

01:26:42.860 Yeah.

01:26:43.380 Dinner, lunch.

01:26:45.100 Yeah.

01:26:46.040 Just some stuff to put in the cupboards, you know.

01:26:48.520 And I walk out to my truck and I'm just like this. 0.99

01:26:53.360 I'm like, like, oh shit. 0.60

01:26:55.660 Like, you know, I don't have my vape pen on me, you know, my weed pen. 0.99

01:26:59.180 You're just frisking yourself.

01:27:00.280 I'm just like, yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:27:01.000 And I'm like, oh shit, I got to go back inside and get my pen. 0.94

01:27:04.060 And I'm just like, in my mind, I'm like, really? 0.98

01:27:06.040 Like, do you really? 0.98

01:27:07.220 you can't go 20 minutes to the damn grocery store without weed and so it just made me feel kind of 0.99

01:27:13.360 weak or something right just like man you can't do anything without this like you really need to 0.98

01:27:18.480 smoke weed every five minutes you know and that and then uh just a perspective kind of yeah just

01:27:24.960 like maybe you know i was just going to the groceries i'll be right back i can get it in 20

01:27:28.740 minutes yeah you can't go 20 minutes without it well that's what's interesting that feeling of

01:27:33.500 that moment like whenever it's like if I can just let this moment pass for 30 seconds I'm gonna be

01:27:39.960 fine yeah but this moment feels like I'm never gonna have that again yeah yeah yeah and it's

01:27:46.000 just like I need it you know so so that was kind of weird and then uh the straw that really broke

01:27:52.280 the camel's back was my son was sick he he had the flu or something and he was just a little guy

01:27:59.780 River?

01:28:00.880 River, yeah.

01:28:02.400 He was just a little guy, and it was the first time he really ever got sick.

01:28:07.020 Like, you know, he was throwing up, and it was like two days of this.

01:28:12.660 And he was just, like, nursing, and he was sleeping,

01:28:18.040 and I was just like, okay.

01:28:19.840 He kind of seemed like he was in, like, a pretty good spot.

01:28:23.020 And, like, I was like, are you guys good?

01:28:24.860 Like, I'm going to go upstairs and work on some music in the studio.

01:28:28.800 And my wife, yeah, he's sleeping, you know, he's good.

01:28:33.440 He's just nursing and sleeping.

01:28:34.940 And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to go upstairs.

01:28:37.160 And I'm upstairs, and I'm working on some music.

01:28:39.240 Of course, I'm hitting my pen, you know, and I'm working on music 0.97

01:28:42.700 and playing on Pro Tools and shit. 0.98

01:28:45.180 And then getting high, you know. 0.99

01:28:48.560 And when I came back downstairs, my son had gotten worse.

01:28:52.880 Like, he was, like, lethargic.

01:28:54.380 Like, we couldn't even get his attention.

01:28:56.120 We had to bring him to the hospital.

01:28:57.700 and that was the last time I smoked right there.

01:29:00.580 It was like I felt like such a, you know, my son is sick

01:29:04.040 and I'm upstairs getting high.

01:29:06.100 Like that's.

01:29:06.760 Yeah, like a commercial almost. 1.00

01:29:08.400 It was just, yeah, it was just like, man, I'm done with this shit. 0.99

01:29:12.100 And I just like threw all my paraphernalia away 1.00

01:29:14.160 and I just quit right there. 1.00

01:29:17.100 Fuck, dude. 1.00

01:29:18.240 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Does it feel different now?

01:29:20.260 Do you feel, have you, what are some things that you noticed

01:29:22.140 since you quit smoking?

01:29:23.340 Because you probably smoked it for a decent amount of your life.

01:29:25.160 Dude, I smoked every day since I was like 11. 1.00

01:29:28.200 Oh, damn, dude, sorry. 0.99

01:29:29.740 I mean, by the time I was 12, I was like scraping my bowl to get high. 1.00

01:29:33.840 I was like looking for roaches and shit. 0.99

01:29:37.640 Yeah, it's just I've always smoked weed. 0.99

01:29:39.460 The only time I ever quit was when I was like 19 and I got DUI.

01:29:42.800 They put me on probation, and I couldn't smoke for that whole year.

01:29:46.100 So I was just doing acid that whole year.

01:29:48.020 Yeah.

01:29:49.140 Oh, dude, cocaine helped me quit vaping at one point.

01:29:51.540 oh that's a that's a different one but so you know i'm saying it's just the way that some

01:30:00.300 things kind of work out yeah well like i said now i feel like i'm just drinking so much coffee

01:30:05.440 it's like i gotta have something yeah yeah yeah but i just i've always wondered about it too

01:30:10.800 because well yeah i grew up i mean dude when i was fucking 10 years old or something like dude 0.59

01:30:18.980 we were like sitting in a field, like huffing rubber cement until we heard mystery music in 0.86

01:30:23.180 our head. Like, I was like just a little baby, you know, like trying to get high. And, uh,

01:30:29.640 you know, but like I said, by the time I was 12, I was full on stoner kid, you know, and, um, 0.99

01:30:35.260 fuck and, and, and whatever. So it's like my whole life I had, I had always, uh, 0.98

01:30:43.040 you know, had something like that. And so I've often, I've often wondered like,

01:30:47.620 what is life like without, like, drugs and getting high and drunk and stuff?

01:30:52.940 Like, what would it be like to just raw dog life?

01:30:56.880 Yeah.

01:30:57.320 You know, like, and it's actually hard, you know, but it's not as hard as, like, 0.86

01:31:07.180 you know, I feel like drugs and shit cause a lot more problems than they medicate, you know? 0.71

01:31:12.180 um I think a scenario like that with the kid would probably yeah it would make you have to 0.98

01:31:18.820 about face maybe just even that moment it's like I just can't I can't risk this I can't risk being

01:31:23.520 high in case something happens to myself and and also like I grew up you know in a environment that

01:31:30.660 was very pro party yeah I remember we talked about it last time we were podcasting yeah you know

01:31:36.560 beers music people smoking weed even the whole culture around the music i grew up with not

01:31:42.980 necessarily the bluegrass side but you know the beatles and the grateful dead and the uh you know

01:31:49.120 hendrix and all this you know lsd and trippy psychedelic stuff is all it's all cool you know

01:31:54.520 it is until it ain't you know until it you know it's fun at first and then when it starts to

01:32:00.760 take over your life or gets too much and you or you can't stop or you you know you overdo it

01:32:06.060 But that's, yeah, it all starts fun and games until somebody gets hurt.

01:32:12.040 What's something about being a dad that you think has been kind of surprising, dude?

01:32:15.160 Has that been like a totally crazy adventure?

01:32:18.260 Man, it's the best.

01:32:19.900 I just—

01:32:20.260 I met your son in Austin.

01:32:21.120 Remember, dude, I met your son and the governor of Maine.

01:32:24.260 Yeah.

01:32:25.060 That lady, Janet Mills, dude, she was rocking, bro. 0.62

01:32:27.760 Yeah, that was a good hang.

01:32:29.100 I'm glad you swung by.

01:32:30.340 She was rocking.

01:32:31.080 And they had that pimento cheese spread over there. 0.54

01:32:32.840 Dude, who is that?

01:32:35.060 Samine. 1.00

01:32:35.420 yeah she's my business manager 1.00

01:32:37.960 she's the no joke 1.00

01:32:39.780 she might be the nicest woman 0.98

01:32:42.400 that I've ever met 0.99

01:32:43.200 just like being helpful

01:32:44.760 she just wants to be helpful

01:32:46.340 yeah that's what she does

01:32:48.360 I mean she helps me with everything

01:32:50.500 on the daily

01:32:51.220 she's like my business manager

01:32:53.960 but I also

01:32:54.620 she helps me with my doctor's appointments

01:32:58.040 and every single thing

01:33:00.540 she helps me with

01:33:02.100 and my manager Bill

01:33:03.200 yeah she was so nice man and then we went to your show and steven wilson jr was there dude and i got

01:33:09.680 to meet his son which was awesome oh wow his son was there yeah his son was there and his wife was

01:33:14.300 there um so that was just great that was so cool dude and i got to see you guys meet you guys i

01:33:19.940 don't think i think you guys had kind of passed but had never gotten to meet each other yeah that's

01:33:23.060 where i met and that was what of uh was it farm aid or no it was uh it was willie's fourth of

01:33:28.540 july picnic yeah and willie's kids were there micah i got to meet and his wife i got to meet 0.91

01:33:32.740 too she was yeah she's a mike is the shit man yeah dude i think we're gonna try to go to farm 0.76

01:33:37.520 aid oh yeah yeah you should man um but yeah dude that was so great just seeing you and steven 0.98

01:33:42.980 wilson get junior get to meet each other was cool dude yeah he's a interesting cat and i he's got

01:33:48.440 such a cool style um you know i think he's found his like his own sound and it's cool because he

01:33:55.180 doesn't sound like anything else that i've ever really heard like his guitar playing is really

01:33:59.780 interesting and really cool he see he feels like a little bit of like a time traveler or something

01:34:05.260 but i don't know where he's coming from or where he's going kind of but it's kind of nice to see

01:34:09.100 him pass by you know yeah he's uh and yes he has some sunglasses too that he just mailed me some a

01:34:13.960 pair of like kind of i think he kind of came out or like maybe did like a collab on some sunglasses

01:34:18.700 but pretty cool stuff oh wow yeah what's something about about being a dad that kind of surprised you

01:34:23.680 or does it feel like a surprise at all maybe like to somebody like you who like has had so many

01:34:28.620 types of feelings and like kind of traversed so many different moments of highs and lows of life

01:34:33.880 that um that that's not as big of a surprise it just sort of feels like uh i think like life moving 0.97

01:34:41.780 on so the big one for me um i mean besides just i would fucking rip your esophagus out for him if i 0.98

01:34:54.480 had to like just feeling that about somebody like I would kill someone for him if I had to 0.99

01:35:00.520 or like you know like I love him that much that I would fillet you right here you know and that's

01:35:08.140 awesome that's crazy just feel that love and um so it's like a new kind of love like like is it 0.87

01:35:13.940 does it feel like um because that's interesting truly like I would take bullets like you know

01:35:19.100 i mean like i believe you yeah and it i've just never felt that before it's like i would i would

01:35:23.980 die for him like i would do anything to protect him huh it's just a crazy feeling does it feel

01:35:29.740 like a part of you or does it feel like a new like does that question make any sense kind of to you

01:35:34.860 yeah he does feel like a part of me actually what's so funny is the other day

01:35:40.300 he had this like little booger and i like picked his nose and i like grabbed this little booger

01:35:46.940 And I was like, wait a minute, like, I have boogers. 0.99

01:35:50.640 He came from my balls. 0.99

01:35:52.840 Now he has boogers. 0.99

01:35:54.160 Like, this is still sort of my booger.

01:35:57.260 You know what I mean?

01:35:58.880 Yeah, dude. 0.99

01:36:00.140 Like, this booger was once in my balls. 0.98

01:36:06.060 You're like, wow, that's so wild to me. 0.99

01:36:10.060 Yeah.

01:36:11.400 And then I, like, rolled it and I, like, flicked it. 1.00

01:36:13.780 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

01:36:14.840 You know? 1.00

01:36:15.460 Yeah, I love that, bro. 1.00

01:36:16.940 Fuck a kidney stone, boy. 1.00

01:36:18.460 We on some new shit. 1.00

01:36:19.680 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:20.360 Yeah.

01:36:21.220 But one of the beautiful things about- 0.99

01:36:24.980 Yeah, my fucking boogers aren't even just mine. 0.99

01:36:28.560 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:28.880 And now, yeah, he's got everything. 1.00

01:36:30.480 Shit, piss, puke, boogers, and tears and everything. 0.99

01:36:35.600 But man, one of the big things that I felt like a shift in is that music has always been 0.99

01:36:44.420 the most important thing to me.

01:36:46.120 It's like been my the way I've survived. It's been my social currency. It's been my survival tactic. It's been my coping mechanism. It's been everything. And it's always been the most important thing to me. My guitar is my best friend. There's nothing that comes before that.

01:37:02.620 you know and I used to be so worried about the music like even just on stage where I'm so

01:37:10.780 concerned about playing well singing well performing good probably because I don't want

01:37:17.540 to go back to where I was like being poor and not having food and just living in squalor and

01:37:23.520 kind of having a shitty life and you know the uncertainty of it all yeah and just like you know 0.83

01:37:29.580 when you don't have food, it sucks, you know? And, um, so I think ever since I started like 0.83

01:37:36.340 making money playing music or just making a living off of it, you know, like I'm like, 0.54

01:37:42.100 oh man, I have to, every time I step on stage, I have to just kill it. Otherwise, like I could go

01:37:48.920 back to that. Right. Like the pendulum is there every single time. Yeah. Dude, I feel that same

01:37:54.740 way and it's it's like i'm always like running away from you know i'm never like running towards

01:38:00.840 success it's like away from poverty and um and i'm scared that this is all going to go away and

01:38:07.100 i'm going to end up in some trailer smoking foils again or whatever and uh so i have strangled the

01:38:14.740 life out of the music before because i'd been so concerned about playing well that i'm playing hard

01:38:19.100 and i'm thinking and i'm like trying to lead the band and i'm just like all this you know crazy

01:38:23.140 stuff and it's like man that's not really the way to go about it you know and at the end of the day 0.87

01:38:28.960 we're just playing music here it's not the end of the fucking world if you play a wrong note or you 0.89

01:38:33.940 forget a couple lyrics or whatever dude nobody cares it's nobody's gonna get hurt it's not a 0.92

01:38:39.780 big deal but to me it is like if i have a bad gig dude i'll be depressed for days you know yeah or

01:38:46.480 something that just happened recently really dude who's your therapist man i told i want your

01:38:51.660 therapist uh well her name is dr yeah she's in nashville is she yeah dude bush because some of

01:38:59.820 the stuff you're saying it's like exactly like i've just felt sometimes like in my life dude

01:39:03.380 it's like i feel like like one little thing goes wrong it's like it's gonna like everything depends

01:39:09.800 on me it's not true but it's like and it's not everything does like like like i'm some kind of

01:39:15.940 god or something but it's just like well dude you're famous man but it's like but it's like

01:39:20.640 It's like everything has to go this way.

01:39:24.520 I can't even explain it exactly,

01:39:26.480 but everything feels like a lot of pressure.

01:39:28.920 Yeah, because you got all these eyes on you.

01:39:32.260 Well, I have my own eyes on me.

01:39:33.740 It's like I'm under my own microscope.

01:39:38.360 But it's like, yeah, it's just like, I don't know.

01:39:41.080 I don't give myself enough room to breathe in there

01:39:43.440 where it's like, hey, man, we're having a good time.

01:39:46.520 We're having a comedy.

01:39:48.000 It's like we're making laughter.

01:39:50.640 and at a certain point sometimes it's like

01:39:52.560 you almost start to lose some of the laughter

01:39:54.620 because it's like

01:39:55.940 you're squeezing it too tight

01:39:57.240 everything feels so life or death kind of

01:39:59.180 but it's always felt like that

01:40:00.380 sometimes you have to allow yourself to bomb

01:40:02.500 to have those better shows

01:40:06.260 they can't always 0.97

01:40:07.320 they can't all be zingers 0.96

01:40:08.860 and you have to just realize that

01:40:11.280 and so that's kind of the beautiful thing about it

01:40:13.400 is when you're truly improvising

01:40:14.940 you're not always going to do it

01:40:16.920 the ball team doesn't always win

01:40:19.440 you know like the Red Sox don't always win even though they just did like 14 in a row or something

01:40:24.960 yeah yeah and I just went to like yeah one of my first ball games out there that was pretty cool

01:40:28.860 yeah who was pitching do you remember no I don't know I don't know enough about that stuff but I

01:40:34.660 brought my son to that it was it was cool but man what I was getting at is like when I had my son

01:40:40.360 when he was like brand new and then I started going to play gigs again like all of a sudden 0.90

01:40:48.500 And it's like, I don't give a shit if I play bad. 0.99

01:40:51.120 I don't give a shit if I miss a few words. 0.99

01:40:54.300 And instead of like strangling the music, all of a sudden I'm singing and playing. 0.99

01:40:59.620 As long as they're okay, I'm free to go play and sing.

01:41:03.400 As long as Bear and River and Allie are good, man, then I can go play and sing, right?

01:41:09.540 And I'm not only strangling the music less, which in turn I'm playing much better and singing better.

01:41:17.800 I'm singing from a place of joy in my belly

01:41:20.720 I'm singing

01:41:21.980 And I'm playing guitar

01:41:23.540 Free from the restrictions of fear

01:41:26.660 And I'm truly

01:41:28.760 Just letting it go

01:41:30.640 I'm not playing out of desperation

01:41:32.280 And I'm actually playing

01:41:33.980 Because it's fun

01:41:35.240 And I get to go play

01:41:37.760 And I've just realized that

01:41:40.660 I play and sing much better now

01:41:42.740 And I always also

01:41:44.100 Every time I'm playing

01:41:46.260 I have this little cosmic listener

01:41:47.780 That I can just look out in the crowd

01:41:49.180 But I can picture River's face

01:41:50.760 Wherever he is in the world

01:41:52.240 And I can sing to him

01:41:53.700 He's my little guy

01:41:55.020 Really?

01:41:55.720 Yeah

01:41:56.100 That's cool, dude

01:41:57.740 When I walk out the front door of my house

01:42:00.420 To go get on the bus and go on tour

01:42:02.540 Now I have a reason

01:42:04.880 To provide for my family

01:42:07.800 I'm on an actual mission

01:42:09.940 Not just to go stoke my ego

01:42:12.080 And to go, you know

01:42:13.580 Like, oh, to go play

01:42:16.080 and try to whatever, keep doing this music thing

01:42:18.960 that has always been the most important thing.

01:42:21.360 It's like, no, it's not the most important thing.

01:42:24.240 I am a musician.

01:42:25.180 That's what I do.

01:42:25.940 That's my job.

01:42:26.880 But it's not the biggest thing in life.

01:42:28.740 My family is.

01:42:30.020 And that actually makes me play better

01:42:32.160 because I'm not squeezing it so hard.

01:42:34.860 And now I'm actually loosey-goosey.

01:42:36.760 It's like when you look at a cheetah run,

01:42:39.080 if you watch it on slow-mo or something,

01:42:41.600 it's like they start and the faster they run,

01:42:43.580 the looser they get, right?

01:42:44.880 I mean they start looking like a spaghetti noodle

01:42:47.660 And

01:42:48.780 That's kind of how I feel my life

01:42:51.620 Is going right now

01:42:52.680 It's like I'm looser now

01:42:54.420 And I'm just kind of more flowing with it

01:42:56.320 And I attribute so much of that to my son

01:42:59.340 Because

01:43:00.340 He's the only thing that is really

01:43:03.520 Truly life or death

01:43:04.960 Like important to me

01:43:06.060 I mean all this stuff is important

01:43:07.980 My music is important

01:43:09.640 My fans are important

01:43:11.620 My career is important

01:43:13.920 so what a gift he is yeah but it's it's not as important as as river yeah so it's nice to have

01:43:22.160 something that's that trumps you know the music that's more important than that you know do you

01:43:26.420 think you needed something like that when you when you're looking at your life now like you're even

01:43:29.800 able to see that because dude as you're saying that billy it's like it's kind of funny because

01:43:33.300 it's like yeah man like sometimes you get tired yeah and some of the stuff you made me it just

01:43:38.840 kind of brought up some emotions i think there's nice there's something nice i always feel something

01:43:43.080 when a dad talks about his son you know i think there's something about that that like you know

01:43:48.600 all like i don't know it makes me feel something that i absolutely love it you know before i came

01:43:56.600 over here today i was working in the garage i'm building him a little table like yesterday i went

01:44:04.120 to home depot and i got like a bunch of lumber and stuff and i'm building him this little table

01:44:08.200 for him to play with his monster trucks on and there's like this big ramp that comes down and

01:44:13.360 they do a loop and they and I saw this me and him watch these youtube videos it's called our time

01:44:18.740 for adventures or something it's like this guy that just um basically plays with these toy monster

01:44:25.220 trucks he's like let's go racing and like river loves it and dude I love it it's like I sit there

01:44:30.180 and watch him and you know he just races these monster trucks and so I'm building him like one

01:44:36.760 of those tables like that and i that's what i was doing before i came over here this morning

01:44:40.400 is like working on this like table for my son and and you know just just stuff like that it's like

01:44:47.580 like yeah like that you know like that table oh sweet and it has these like little things he lets

01:44:53.320 go of them and then they ramp so i'm like building one of these for my little dude and um so he can

01:44:58.840 have like a cool table to play with his monster trucks on he loves monster trucks oh it's so fun

01:45:03.700 dude. Yeah. Do you almost get to have some childhood moments that you didn't get to have

01:45:08.040 through your son, but you almost have them like in reverse psychology. Does that make any sense

01:45:11.660 to you? Yeah. You get to, um, view the world again through these kind of more innocent eyes

01:45:20.020 and more curious curiosity. Um, which is an amazing thing, you know, because I grew up really

01:45:25.520 quick. I mean, I, like I said, by the time I was 13, I was, I moved out of my mom's house and I was,

01:45:31.000 You know, I look at a 13 year old kid right now and I'm like, oh my God, I was like homeless at that time.

01:45:35.580 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:35.980 Sleeping on couches, you know, like, holy shit. 0.70

01:45:38.620 I didn't really have, I mean, I had a good childhood for a little bit, but then it got, things got kind of rough and feel like a lot of my child, I had to grow up too quick. 0.92

01:45:46.280 Yeah.

01:45:46.620 You know?

01:45:47.300 Yeah, dude.

01:45:47.780 That's a great way to put it.

01:45:49.000 So, yeah, I just, man, I love playing with, with my son and like, just, you know, his little toys and watching like cars or whatever.

01:45:57.460 Like he loves Lightning McQueen.

01:45:59.420 Yeah. 0.93

01:45:59.860 And, dude, I've watched that movie so many damn times. 0.91

01:46:02.840 It's so good. 0.94

01:46:04.380 That's kind of nice that you get to do that and go back and have those moments.

01:46:08.100 Yeah, dude, even when I think back, when I was like 14, I moved out and lived with some other people.

01:46:11.920 But before that, for like about a year, I would go to school each day, and I'd stay with like a different friend's family or something.

01:46:17.200 So it would be like I'd be at school, and all day – it's funny.

01:46:20.260 I didn't even think about this until just now.

01:46:21.560 All day, part of my day was how am I going to convince somebody at school today to let me stay over there? 0.98

01:46:28.960 So sometimes it would get to like fourth period and shit. 0.99

01:46:31.980 He'd be like, fuck, I've already exhausted a couple of options, dude. 0.99

01:46:35.520 I'm going to fucking have to stay with somebody I don't even know, dude. 0.99

01:46:38.780 And sometimes it would get a little weird, bro. 0.99

01:46:41.600 Like there was like two nights I stayed with one of our janitor's families. 0.98

01:46:45.200 We had a vice principal who used to sleep in the trunk of his car during fucking recess. 0.94

01:46:50.740 And I'd go over there and I seen him get in there a couple times. 0.95

01:46:54.360 so one time i mentioned that to him like a little bit of like not like bartering like trying to like 0.83

01:47:00.520 threaten a snitch but a little bit of me was like dude i fucking know what's going like i don't i

01:47:05.500 didn't know if he was smoking i didn't know what he was doing but just the fact that he's over there 0.85

01:47:09.440 sleeping in his trunk i think he didn't want that information out there and his wife worked at the

01:47:13.940 other school and so they let me go stay over there for a couple nights but i'd always remember i'd

01:47:17.680 have this big backpack and it had all because it had all my stuff in it like it had my change of

01:47:22.460 clothes it had my toothbrush it just had my stuff so it was like you know i forget about sometimes

01:47:27.020 like i think you're right just growing up quick it's like the other stuff that you're thinking

01:47:32.160 about that other kids aren't thinking about probably you know in a lot of ways i i'm grateful

01:47:37.320 for it yeah you know do you think do you think like so say you're a dad that doesn't get to be

01:47:42.520 there as much as he wants for his son right like maybe you like heard from listening to some of

01:47:46.900 your dad's like tapes and stuff from the voicemails and the the conversations you had with your

01:47:51.060 grandmother right just this is all kind of a hypothetical thing or say you're the kid that

01:47:55.980 didn't get this some of the experience he needed right or some of the nurturing and like or just

01:48:00.660 like the connection that he needed right do you think that like as a dad now like you think it

01:48:07.640 matters which side of that equation you're on or either side you can get the healing from one side

01:48:12.420 you know i'm saying like is there a little bit of healing you think for like the kids like a young

01:48:16.960 person out there who maybe didn't get some stuff if they are able to apply themselves as a dad do

01:48:22.940 you think that there's some healing like in some of that in the dad side of it does it make any

01:48:27.440 sense sorry i'm kind of yelling i feel like some of that stuff gets me kind of animated

01:48:31.020 no man i i think like does it make sense to you when i'm asking you yeah and i think i am trying

01:48:37.380 to like maybe heal some of my childhood through being his father yeah and i think as he gets older

01:48:43.240 and older i will be able to do that you know just i want to like be present that's part of the you

01:48:48.540 know another part of the reason i quit smoking dope and stuff you know yeah i just want to be

01:48:53.520 there i want to be there he looks at me with these big clear eyes i want to be clear you know um but

01:49:00.600 yeah just like it's it's a way for me to kind of you know redo my childhood and stuff now there's

01:49:06.960 this other thing that I have. Um, it's like this experiential density, like because of the

01:49:15.540 hardships that I've been through. And even as a young man, uh, teen, you know, teenager, young

01:49:20.840 kid, um, I am able to have this perspective that I feel like a lot of people don't have.

01:49:27.480 And I have this, um, kind of like terminal uniqueness in a way that's like, I never feel

01:49:36.100 like anybody would know what it's like to be in my shoes. Like what I've been through, what I've

01:49:41.260 seen, the life I've had, you know, the, the trauma that I've dealt with, you know? Um, cause it's

01:49:47.460 much more than just, you know, having parents that were on drugs. I mean, I was molested when

01:49:53.060 I was a child. I was, you know, fucking sodomized before I was, you know, seven years old or 0.98

01:49:58.920 something, you know? And so that, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of, a lot of shit. And I, 1.00

01:50:04.140 I live on this Island that I feel like nobody would ever understand what it's

01:50:09.200 like to be me. Right. And so I think

01:50:13.860 that's like more of the negative side of it,

01:50:17.300 but the experiential density I think is kind of like,

01:50:20.160 I can use it as a positive thing where it's like,

01:50:22.960 I have this perspective, like most people, like, you know,

01:50:26.820 or not most people, but a lot of people, you know,

01:50:28.660 they grow up and their parents feed them and they buy them a car when they're

01:50:32.560 16 and everything's fine. And like, man, I didn't have any of that shit. You know what I mean? I 1.00

01:50:36.520 had to figure it out for myself. And I have this perspective, um, that a lot of, you know, by the

01:50:41.960 time I was 15 or whatever, I was more of an adult than my teachers. Yeah. You know what I mean? And,

01:50:47.880 um, so one thing that I've kind of considered at one point was, uh, my wife and I, we were looking

01:50:54.820 at houses in Nashville and we ended up just staying where we are and we're going to like

01:51:00.580 do a renovation and stuff but we were kind of house shopping a little bit and you know i was

01:51:06.580 looking around at these different houses and they're all they're all like i didn't want any

01:51:10.520 of them because they're all like on an acre and a half and they're like tall and skinny and it's

01:51:13.840 like man yeah i want to live in the country you know i don't i don't like this yeah i want to

01:51:18.100 live in a bunch of stairs that's what some of those houses feel like a bunch of stairs yeah

01:51:21.440 it's like where are you i'm on the stair yeah like you look out the window and you can see your

01:51:24.740 neighbor you know washing their dog or whatever yeah and it's like uh um but as we were looking

01:51:32.060 at these houses and i was looking at you know there was a couple that we were kind of thinking

01:51:37.040 about and i was like man is my son gonna be a kid that grows up in a house like this

01:51:45.400 you know what i mean because i grew up in a moldy meth house you know that didn't even have 0.50

01:51:52.820 A furnace 0.79

01:51:54.720 You know

01:51:55.400 We just had like a wood stove

01:51:56.760 That always went out

01:51:57.920 Yeah dude

01:51:58.940 Oh our living room 0.99

01:51:59.740 Was fucking sinking dude 0.99

01:52:01.380 We'd have to have 0.99

01:52:02.280 My mom's boyfriend would come 1.00

01:52:04.720 And spray like this kind of foam 1.00

01:52:06.920 Under the fucking carpet 0.99

01:52:08.160 To kind of even it out 1.00

01:52:09.280 Oh yeah 1.00

01:52:09.940 It was fucking retarded dude 1.00

01:52:11.420 I think our whole side 1.00

01:52:12.340 Of our apartment complex was sinking

01:52:13.600 Yeah

01:52:14.400 But no judgment

01:52:15.400 Oh you told me about your balcony

01:52:16.980 Oh yeah 0.99

01:52:17.820 People fucking kept stealing it 0.99

01:52:19.460 Yeah 0.99

01:52:20.580 the balcony would just fall off or whatever what the heck dude people would kept stealing it bring

01:52:25.500 that picture up one more time dude right there that's the balcony yeah it was they put christmas 0.86

01:52:32.620 lights where it used to be like bitch we know there was a balcony there's still a door there 0.97

01:52:36.600 what the heck dude we would come home and somebody would have stolen our fence because there was a 1.00

01:52:42.580 front there was a front gate in front of the like of the apartment and then there was a there was a

01:52:47.640 balcony and people would steal it and they would how do you steal a balcony and for what reason

01:52:52.800 for the wood just for the wood yeah for the textiles oh my gosh yeah and they would use

01:52:58.460 it down at their joint or whatever such a strange thing to steal yeah balcony but i think it was

01:53:04.380 easily like um i think we didn't hammer it in good or whatever they could just remove it really

01:53:10.220 throw it on a flatbed and get the hell out of there i think from not a flatbed people would 0.84

01:53:15.340 fucking just run down the street with it on their backs because three blocks away somebody 0.99

01:53:19.640 would have a new baby crib or something made out of half of it dude we fucking all that neighborhood 0.99

01:53:25.000 was bananas dude our bro oh yeah it was fucking bananas i'd like to go check that place out 0.98

01:53:32.100 sometime dude your hometown it was cool dude sick and i'll have to go up to uh i own you sometime 0.90

01:53:37.320 too we're close we wanted to be able to go up today and see see some of it but next summer we're

01:53:42.040 going to have a better plan, and I'm just going to come and do a trip in Michigan. I want to go

01:53:44.800 to Charlevoix so bad. What about Charlevoix is drawing you there? I just heard about it.

01:53:51.260 It sounds kind of magical. I want to go to Traverse City. Traverse City, I understand,

01:53:55.380 but Charlevoix, too, it's a nice place, don't get me wrong, but I just feel like Traverse City

01:54:00.220 would be the more destination. Charlevoix is a smaller place outside of Traverse City. There's

01:54:05.720 water there and marinas and stuff like that. I guess I just can't imagine it. Dude, we went

01:54:10.980 into lake michigan yesterday um dude we took a ride on a boat in the chicago river and dude

01:54:19.300 it was the cool one of the coolest things i've ever seen through the city oh wow it just if you

01:54:24.360 ever get a chance honestly it really is like because i i just couldn't even believe it like

01:54:28.620 and i was like oh i've never gotten to go like on a boat through like a middle of a city kind of i

01:54:32.840 know you can do that here in grand rapids but it's just like you know chicago's just a it's a

01:54:36.160 bigger entity there kind of like reminds me of like amsterdam or something there's all those

01:54:39.620 little canals oh yeah venice and amsterdam oh yeah amsterdam has a ton of them dude um what about uh

01:54:45.620 what's that island place with the dunes you've ever seen that place the sleep sleeping bear dunes

01:54:50.480 is that cool it's very cool yeah dude i heard about that yeah it's a beautiful place michigan

01:54:55.300 has some like damn near tropical like paradise like look at that blue water dude there's not

01:55:01.520 water like that anywhere and it's fresh water bro that's what i'm saying like even when i got

01:55:05.280 into lake michigan yet in chicago like we went all like off the coast a little bit i i never knew

01:55:11.200 it existed like that like i knew the lakes were there but yeah we got to keep it a secret bro

01:55:15.680 we shouldn't even talk about this okay i don't want any more people no some some stuff dude you

01:55:21.200 want to keep it a secret but we went to that field of dreams baseball game where was that at um

01:55:26.400 dyersville iowa you ever seen that movie it's an old movie yeah yeah so we went to dyersville i saw

01:55:31.340 video you ate a bunch of peanuts oh yeah dude i ate like six bags of peanuts i ate almost 400

01:55:36.960 probably 400 peanuts the guy each peanut has like two sometimes three so you might eat 800 and

01:55:42.340 something i don't even think about that you know what i mean yeah because each peanut a peanut has 0.94

01:55:47.740 two nuts in there so if you ate 420 you make 880 peanuts fuck yeah i didn't even think of that 0.99

01:55:56.760 it's fucking close to a thousand bro damn fuck yeah you know what i'm saying bro next time break 0.99

01:56:03.340 a thousand yeah you're right you're right yeah i'm gonna run for mayor of chicago now dude if i 0.99

01:56:08.340 can eat that many peanuts at a ball game dude the guy came over and had to sweep up the nutshells 0.98

01:56:12.780 like four times dude there were fucking birds overhead like fucking they were pissed that we 0.99

01:56:17.360 created so much like probably usable material for nests and shit but um but it was that yeah dude 0.97

01:56:23.540 that was just a great experience i just love them i don't know i love the midwest i love the people 0.64

01:56:27.780 i've always heard about um yeah there's some of the they come out of the corn came out of the

01:56:31.780 corn no way yeah one came out the closet i think dude dude one day that's epic and you even they

01:56:38.540 had a corn like built up to walk up to it and stuff like that and um who i got to meet patrick

01:56:45.060 renna the guy from sandlot he was the great hambino in sandlot and then uh just got to see

01:56:50.100 some of the players um they had let me think joe mauer um scott roland lee smith the hawk andre

01:56:59.120 dawson joe ryan was there um yeah and the twins uh they gave me a new hat too nice yeah i see you

01:57:07.280 been rocking that detroit hat pretty heavy dude yeah well because one of the nicest or like one

01:57:12.620 of the dopest squads that ever came out to see me like the guys that ever came to see me play

01:57:16.480 were some of the uh tigers guys came one time to see a game rogers school scoobal um carpenter

01:57:24.380 some some just some of their different pictures came out and it was just awesome dude and they

01:57:28.480 like were just it was like probably two or three years ago and there was like a little they were

01:57:32.140 younger and just like their energy was like they were just fucking like ecstatic but they were all 0.76

01:57:36.400 like really nice guys so that was just a good experience dude oh it's sick to see that old 0.94

01:57:41.560 english d out there and then here i am in michigan which is kind of crazy like the things you kind of 1.00

01:57:45.720 like maybe I didn't know that I would be here today

01:57:48.240 you know and getting to spend time

01:57:50.180 with you dude

01:57:50.740 dude thanks so much for just kind of thinking about some stuff

01:57:54.060 I want to

01:57:56.040 ask you

01:57:56.760 I want you to see if you can tell me this story

01:57:59.640 I know you got to meet Bob Dylan right

01:58:01.580 can you tell me that story or do you not want to tell it

01:58:04.260 sure you can

01:58:05.140 yeah

01:58:05.560 yeah so we were on tour with

01:58:09.400 Willie and Bob

01:58:10.600 and this is one of my favorite stories dude

01:58:13.940 yeah

01:58:14.660 and you know i don't take this for granted you know i remember when the when the thing

01:58:24.360 first came to me that the offer um it was kind of put to me in a way that was like

01:58:30.900 okay well we we could go do our own tour and like probably make a lot more money or we could go on

01:58:39.080 this tour as an opener but we're going to be able to you know go tour with Bob Dylan and Willie

01:58:44.760 and it's like dude we're going with Bob and Willie are you kidding me of course and so

01:58:49.580 every night we played with them me and the band would like finish our set we would hurry up and

01:58:57.740 go back to the green room like you know have a snack or whatever and then like get right back

01:59:01.380 out there get our good seats sometimes just on the side of the stage and watch Bob Dylan play

01:59:07.340 and then watch Willie play, you know.

01:59:10.920 And so it was just every night was just like we watched them intently every night

01:59:16.360 because, like I said, we do not take this for granted.

01:59:20.120 So actually, I need to rewind a bit to tell you the story about Bob Dylan.

01:59:27.320 Somebody had told me, T-Bone Burnett actually told me.

01:59:30.240 He lives in Nashville.

01:59:31.280 Yeah.

01:59:31.720 He's friends with Jeff Bridges.

01:59:33.060 Yeah.

01:59:33.880 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:35.020 I love Jeff.

01:59:36.000 Dude, ain't crazy hard.

01:59:37.340 Yeah

01:59:37.900 Such a good movie

01:59:38.940 Yeah

01:59:39.660 But so T-Bone's like

01:59:42.500 Hey man

01:59:42.900 Bob Dylan's like a big fan of yours

01:59:44.680 He keeps bringing you up and stuff

01:59:46.080 And I'm like what?

01:59:47.560 You know

01:59:47.920 That's crazy

01:59:48.960 And then my manager says

01:59:51.080 That one of Bob's people

01:59:54.440 One of his managers or something

01:59:56.320 Kind of just told my manager Bill

01:59:58.400 The best way to get a hold of Bob

01:59:59.680 Is to write him a letter

02:00:00.600 He likes letters

02:00:01.900 So I was going to write him a letter

02:00:04.920 And uh

02:00:07.340 and I remember I was staying at St. Cecilia in Austin,

02:00:11.780 and I walked in the room, and they had this really great paper there,

02:00:16.060 like this stock paper, and I thought, well, this will be cool

02:00:18.800 because it's from like a hip hotel, and it's nice paper.

02:00:21.660 I'm going to take this paper.

02:00:22.900 This is what I'm going to write my letter to Bob Dylan on,

02:00:25.160 and then I never did.

02:00:26.620 A whole year passed.

02:00:27.840 I procrastinated, and then the next year passed.

02:00:32.060 We're doing Austin City Limits or something.

02:00:34.620 I was in Austin again

02:00:36.800 and I stayed at the St. Cecilia again

02:00:39.000 and I walked in that same room I stayed in last time

02:00:41.160 and I saw that paper again a year later

02:00:43.420 and I go, man, screw this

02:00:45.400 and I just set my backpack down in my luggage

02:00:47.480 I grabbed that paper and I went straight up to the cafe

02:00:50.380 and I had a coffee and some eggs

02:00:52.580 and I sat there and wrote Bob Dylan a letter

02:00:55.680 just basically, you know, saying thank you

02:00:58.940 and just thank you, you know

02:01:01.480 and telling him about how I, you know,

02:01:04.360 loved the way Doc Watson used to play his songs and stuff.

02:01:08.060 And so after that, you know,

02:01:11.840 I had heard that Bob was excited about this letter

02:01:14.960 that he got from me and stuff.

02:01:16.320 And I was like, okay, well, that's, you know,

02:01:18.520 I don't know what to believe, right?

02:01:20.540 And we get on that tour.

02:01:22.260 We play like a couple gigs and we're opening for Bob.

02:01:27.500 And then one night after our set,

02:01:31.480 Before Bob goes on stage

02:01:34.420 Well that was when I sat in

02:01:39.020 Actually the first time I met him was at the Hollywood Bowl

02:01:41.480 And I was standing backstage after his set

02:01:44.180 And my security guy Jim was like

02:01:46.900 Here stand over here

02:01:47.860 And I just thought like I was in the way

02:01:50.020 Like they were going to move some road cases or something

02:01:52.100 But no Bob was coming off stage

02:01:54.360 In this huge north face parka

02:01:56.160 And right as he was walking by

02:01:59.500 Somebody was like hey that was a great set

02:02:01.460 billy and he stopped in his tracks and he was like billy and he walked right up to me and he

02:02:06.060 was like man thank you for the letter and i was like man thank you bob for the music you know

02:02:10.980 and he shook my hand oh yeah and with his hand yeah with it with bob dylan's hand he shook my

02:02:19.180 hand and yeah my hand is like tingling right now just talking about it every time i talk about this

02:02:25.760 story my hand starts tingling that whole night it's like vibrating um I shook his hand

02:02:34.540 and I looked him in the eyes and he said you know thanks for the letter and I told him thank you for

02:02:40.340 the music and and then he walked away and did he have a good hand he was yeah it was nice little

02:02:45.740 hand and uh yeah and uh that whole night my hand was just tingly like it was it was like I touched

02:02:54.580 a magic crystal or something you know and so now every time i tell this story it does the same

02:03:00.980 thing but later that night i was like it's either like some crazy beautiful energy like he's just

02:03:06.660 got this magic or it's like you know some leftover ben gay or something is what i was thinking

02:03:11.500 um yeah but then so like the next night on tour or yeah a night or two later we played our set

02:03:21.020 And I'm sitting in the green room

02:03:22.540 And then

02:03:23.800 I was like smoking a bowl or something 0.98

02:03:26.700 And this lady walked in and she's like

02:03:28.280 Bob wants you to play with him tonight

02:03:29.760 And I was like what?

02:03:32.620 And she's like are you too stoned?

02:03:34.680 And I was like no

02:03:35.920 I'm not stoned enough

02:03:39.020 You know

02:03:39.680 So I'm like okay 1.00

02:03:42.280 Fuck you guys it's happening 1.00

02:03:44.660 Bob asked me to sit in 1.00

02:03:45.760 So I'm like walking out to my bus

02:03:48.340 Because I know his band they all wear black and stuff

02:03:50.660 So I was like, I got a black shirt

02:03:52.340 I can put my hair in a ponytail, get a little bit more classy 1.00

02:03:55.340 Blacking up a little, me darking out

02:03:57.080 Yeah, to get a little bit more classy

02:03:59.780 Than whatever t-shirt I had on

02:04:01.220 You know, I'm fixing to play with Bob Dylan

02:04:03.540 I want to go put a nice shirt on

02:04:05.100 And pull my hair back

02:04:06.800 And as I was walking out to the bus, I saw him

02:04:09.420 He was walking right toward me

02:04:10.620 And he just came up to me

02:04:12.460 And he said

02:04:13.380 He said, you know

02:04:16.080 Let's do all along the watchtower

02:04:18.820 He's like, just, you know, I sing the first verse and second verse.

02:04:21.780 He'd play after the second verse, you know, and then he walked away.

02:04:25.400 Like, he didn't say hi.

02:04:27.280 He didn't say thanks for playing or nothing.

02:04:29.580 He said, let's do the Watchtower, play after the second verse.

02:04:34.320 Just information and stuff.

02:04:36.000 And then on his way to the stage.

02:04:37.800 And I was like, oh, man, this guy means business.

02:04:40.320 Yeah.

02:04:40.920 So I went to my bus.

02:04:41.840 I got my nice digs on. 1.00

02:04:43.200 Tight shit. 1.00

02:04:43.700 And then I was, you know, texting my mom and dad. 1.00

02:04:47.740 And, you know, I called my mom.

02:04:49.340 I was like, you're not going to believe this.

02:04:50.700 What did she say?

02:04:52.100 She just, she was always over the moon about stuff like that.

02:04:56.120 She called me her Dreamweaver is what she called.

02:05:01.800 She's like, who are you going to play with next, you know?

02:05:04.300 Because so many of her heroes I had met and played with, you know,

02:05:08.660 or, you know, Mom, I just met Eddie Vedder or, you know, Mom,

02:05:12.760 you're not going to believe this.

02:05:14.460 David Grisman or, you know, Del McCurry and, you know, all this stuff.

02:05:20.240 And then Fleetwood Mac?

02:05:21.860 More recently.

02:05:23.160 Stevie Nicks?

02:05:24.300 I've never met her.

02:05:26.100 That would be a crazy collab with you guys.

02:05:28.260 Yeah.

02:05:29.480 Anyway, go on, sorry.

02:05:30.460 Yeah, I was like, I'm getting ready to go play with Bob Dylan. 0.99

02:05:33.380 She's like, what the fuck, you know? 1.00

02:05:35.340 Like, who are you? 1.00

02:05:36.780 Like, who do you think you are?

02:05:38.580 It's like, I don't know.

02:05:39.620 He just asked me to play.

02:05:40.860 So, yeah, man.

02:05:42.160 I'm your son.

02:05:42.860 So yeah, I go out there and it was amazing

02:05:47.080 I mean, we played

02:05:48.980 The cool thing about that too is that whole tour

02:05:50.920 That was my favorite song that they were doing

02:05:52.660 I mean, I love All Along the Watchtower

02:05:54.840 And of course, Jimi Hendrix's version

02:05:56.480 But they had this cool arrangement of it

02:05:59.360 And it was like such a hip version of it

02:06:02.080 And I just, that was my favorite tune that they were doing

02:06:04.140 And that's the one he asked me to play on

02:06:07.000 It's just like, wow, you know

02:06:08.840 So yeah, he sang

02:06:11.300 Sang the second verse

02:06:12.820 And then he kind of

02:06:13.500 Looked over at me

02:06:14.160 And I played

02:06:14.840 Passed it back to him

02:06:16.420 We had a little

02:06:16.940 Musical conversation

02:06:18.000 And then

02:06:19.280 That was it man

02:06:20.580 I played with Bob Dylan

02:06:21.580 It was like 1.00

02:06:22.060 Holy shit 0.99

02:06:22.860 You know 0.99

02:06:23.740 And I walked off stage

02:06:25.320 And I go in the green room

02:06:27.200 And like

02:06:27.640 My whole band

02:06:28.800 Is like so excited

02:06:29.780 They're like 1.00

02:06:30.680 Making toasts and shit 0.99

02:06:31.980 Yeah 0.99

02:06:32.460 Like you know

02:06:33.380 Especially my bass player

02:06:34.740 Royal has like

02:06:35.520 Just been

02:06:35.960 On a huge Bob Dylan

02:06:37.620 Kick the last couple years

02:06:38.800 We just couldn't believe

02:06:40.620 this happened really shout out royal yeah so then um yeah we're sitting in the green room

02:06:47.860 and we're all just like oh my god that was amazing and then uh jim my security guy he

02:06:53.000 he comes in and he says um hey somebody wants to say hi and in my green room walks bob dylan

02:07:00.860 and he sucked the oxygen out of the room like everybody just like fell silent and like couldn't

02:07:08.380 breathe and then he was like man you know thanks for playing like that was awesome and and I go

02:07:14.000 man thank you for having me man I'm such an honor to play with you you know and and I was like I

02:07:20.220 want to introduce you to my band you know this is Royal and Billy and stuff like that and and then I

02:07:24.860 you know he just like turned around and walked away like I was like what no way dude and then

02:07:34.040 a couple days

02:07:36.320 busy Bob dude

02:07:37.860 he dipped he was like

02:07:39.780 and then just left

02:07:40.900 and we loved it I thought it was amazing 0.95

02:07:44.620 oh it's fucking almost 0.97

02:07:45.960 it's even better 1.00

02:07:48.660 that's the most lower shit you could 0.99

02:07:50.700 do dude he just literally I was like 0.99

02:07:52.460 I want to introduce you to my band

02:07:54.380 and he just turned around and left

02:07:55.980 I was like wow

02:07:57.340 what a badass and then so

02:08:00.400 yes dude

02:08:01.760 a couple nights later

02:08:03.240 he sent me a message

02:08:05.980 through one of his managers

02:08:10.960 and it just said

02:08:11.900 you know

02:08:12.460 thanks for playing

02:08:13.420 like I think you're great

02:08:15.380 and

02:08:15.940 he said

02:08:17.320 like my friend Jerry Lee

02:08:18.460 told me a long time ago

02:08:19.860 he said

02:08:20.880 you're going to be around

02:08:21.740 for a long long time

02:08:23.000 and I just

02:08:25.220 man I like

02:08:26.040 was in the back of my bus

02:08:27.580 like reading this

02:08:28.320 and just

02:08:28.800 cried

02:08:29.920 you know

02:08:31.000 I mean this is Bob Dylan

02:08:32.040 kind of

02:08:33.240 patting me on the back and so first of all it's unbelievable dude it's such a great story it's

02:08:38.440 like I can feel it dude it's almost like I'm like yeah dude well I know one of the craziest things

02:08:43.940 is that the few interactions I had with him which was like three or four over the course

02:08:49.900 of a couple days and I talked to him and I looked at his face and I spoke directly to him and I

02:08:56.120 looked in his eyes I can't picture his face I can't picture I didn't see the skin when I think

02:09:07.800 about him what he looked like all I see is these deep oceans of blue in these deep concern concerning

02:09:19.060 eyes and this like white light behind them that's what i picture when i think about what did bob

02:09:27.040 dylan look like to me all i can see is these the deepest bluest eyes with the most concerning

02:09:33.540 emotion in them and then this like aura of like white light that's what bob looks like to me in

02:09:41.960 my memory yeah i can't i can't remember his face right you know like yeah like it's almost something

02:09:48.400 that's like, uh, almost like maybe from another realm or something like, I think God, yeah, like

02:09:54.140 God's concern like shows up in our eyes, I think. So maybe he just has a lot of like concern from

02:09:59.900 the other side, you know? Yeah. And it's, it's not a, um, a paranoid concern. It's more of like

02:10:06.220 a compassion and, and a, like, like a love, like from an elder, you know? Yeah. Maybe like in a

02:10:16.180 kind of semi-aggressive intrigue kind of like a some kind of musical grandpa you know yeah dude

02:10:23.960 bob dylan bro wow yeah yeah it's a trip and then like a little while after that i got to play and

02:10:32.960 make music in the studio with edgar winter and he was like one of my mom's favorites you know him

02:10:37.660 edgar winter and who else yeah well johnny winter his brother johnny winter bring up a picture of

02:10:43.540 these guys let me get a gander at him yeah they look like um oh wow they kind of look like uh

02:10:51.720 targaryens man they're albino yeah he looked like sia a little bit you know who sia is

02:10:58.820 no but johnny winter is one of the best guitar players to ever live man oh my gosh he's one of

02:11:04.420 the best little skinny scrawny albino dude and he you know he played with muddy waters and all

02:11:09.520 He was one of the best blues players ever, man.

02:11:13.400 Played with the slide, played, you know, acoustic, everything.

02:11:17.380 But he's the man.

02:11:19.240 And then Edgar Winner, you know, you've heard like, free ride, take, you know, that's his jam.

02:11:24.300 And then you remember, so Edgar Winner had a huge hit that was an instrumental song called Frankenstein.

02:11:30.100 You ever remember that?

02:11:30.960 that's edgar winter man and the cool thing about that is that you get to talk to him

02:11:42.940 yeah no he's actually become a good friend of mine um he came and played with us at bridgestone

02:11:49.080 arena when we played and we were in the studio for for like a day or two working on some stuff

02:11:55.900 For his record, that's going to come out at some point.

02:11:59.540 But, yeah, Edgar Winter is one of the sweetest, sweetest people.

02:12:02.680 Wow.

02:12:03.200 And Johnny's alive too?

02:12:05.760 He passed away.

02:12:08.820 When did he pass away?

02:12:10.040 Like 2012 or maybe a little bit after that?

02:12:15.820 2014.

02:12:16.560 Yeah, 2014. 0.84

02:12:17.780 Oh, they're Switz, huh?

02:12:19.660 Well, no, that's where he died is in Switzerland. 0.84

02:12:22.340 They're from Texas.

02:12:23.500 Oh, yeah.

02:12:24.320 Yeah.

02:12:26.400 Yeah, he was on the road.

02:12:28.420 Wow.

02:12:28.920 I think he died in his hotel room.

02:12:30.600 Oh.

02:12:31.880 Yeah. 0.71

02:12:33.500 That was my mom's dog right there.

02:12:36.260 Really?

02:12:36.600 She loved him.

02:12:38.000 I'm going to have to listen to some of their music today in honor of her, dude, on our ride later.

02:12:42.080 Yeah, listen to just the self-titled Johnny Winter album from 1969.

02:12:48.180 And then for Edgar Winter, listen to White Trash.

02:12:50.880 like it's just some of the funkiest stuff you're ever going to hear man they got this one tune

02:12:57.440 it's the first track on the record called give it everything you got and i remember i was i was

02:13:03.600 tripping hard on acid one day and i was down by the river and i slipped and i fell down this mud

02:13:08.460 bank and i landed like waist deep in the water and i was just splashing it was also october in

02:13:12.800 michigan it was kind of cold yeah but i i got out and i climbed back up the bank and i was soaking

02:13:18.740 wet but I didn't feel wet oh yeah because I just I think my brain was wet oh yeah because you were

02:13:24.880 having a good time yeah I was already tripping and so I walk home and I'm sopping and you know

02:13:29.760 I walk in my mom's back door and uh she's like what are you doing I was like well I took some

02:13:36.960 acid and I went and fell in the river she's like oh you're on acid and she drops the needle on

02:13:41.680 give it everything you got she put that record on for me to hear and I just sat there in front of

02:13:46.180 the speakers and i listened to that and when the song ended i moved the needle back over and i

02:13:50.140 listened to it again and i listened to it again i just i was in this loop of give it everything you

02:13:55.160 got there's these crazy saxophone solos and everything's pan stereo and it goes right to

02:14:00.660 left and it's just dude it's it's so good that whole album is good and um there's a couple tunes

02:14:07.260 on there called one called fly away that i can hardly listen to without crying uh because it

02:14:12.120 It was one of my mom's songs, and it really reminds me of her.

02:14:15.780 That's the Johnny Winter's album?

02:14:17.240 That's the Edgar Winter album called White Trash. 0.92

02:14:19.580 White Trash.

02:14:20.280 Yeah, and then the Johnny Winter record, it's just called Johnny Winter. 0.98

02:14:25.140 Dude, what a crazy pair of brothers they must have been.

02:14:28.200 Couldn't you even imagine? 0.58

02:14:29.500 Oh, man, they were really musical.

02:14:33.260 And Edgar, he's amazing.

02:14:35.500 I wish I would have been able to meet Johnny,

02:14:37.820 but I've listened to a lot of his music.

02:14:42.120 I just love them dearly.

02:14:43.880 I mean, gosh.

02:14:44.920 So I feel so lucky to have been exposed to good music like that from my parents.

02:14:49.300 You know, as far as I'm concerned, man, they listen to good music

02:14:52.340 and they taught me about it, you know.

02:14:55.700 So that's the thing is like when I was in middle school and stuff,

02:14:59.260 I mean, I don't know what kids were listening to back then.

02:15:02.020 I wasn't listening to that.

02:15:03.540 I was listening to, you know, John Lennon or whatever.

02:15:06.740 My teachers always thought I was kind of like, who is this kid, man?

02:15:10.740 He's like wearing a Jim Morrison t-shirt, you know?

02:15:13.120 Like, what's he doing?

02:15:14.000 Yeah.

02:15:14.400 Like, how does this end?

02:15:15.340 And I'm like going to the library, like trying to find books about like Janis Joplin and

02:15:19.500 stuff.

02:15:19.860 And I'm just like in sixth grade or whatever.

02:15:22.100 Yeah.

02:15:22.440 Some of my teachers thought that was really cool.

02:15:24.380 The ones that were like around in the sixties and stuff, the older cats.

02:15:27.620 Yeah.

02:15:28.700 I used to get like, I almost want to say like special treatment or something because of

02:15:33.820 that. 1.00

02:15:34.400 Cause like some of my teachers that were old hippies are like, man, this cat's sick. 0.99

02:15:37.740 Oh dude. 1.00

02:15:38.380 Yeah.

02:15:38.700 If your teacher, if you're into something that they're into kind of, or they think there's

02:15:43.320 something a little bit different about you, I think it makes sense that a teacher would

02:15:46.260 be like, oh, this kid's cool.

02:15:48.060 There's something going on with this kid.

02:15:49.840 I'm curious to see.

02:15:51.200 Like we had this teacher named Miss Plesch and she was cool, man.

02:15:54.600 She was like our poetry teacher. 1.00

02:15:55.920 And we'd go in there and it was like all the misfit kind of kids were in there. 0.93

02:15:59.320 And you'd have like, you know, people that just wore extra lipstick on different parts 0.99

02:16:03.320 of their face and shit. 0.96

02:16:04.400 And like, um, and, uh, and we go in there and we got to write poetry and it was kind 0.98

02:16:09.700 of this weird group, like, well, not weird, but it was just like this, like, um, I don't

02:16:16.000 know.

02:16:16.200 It was this group of, it was just different than the norm.

02:16:19.820 And it was like a place where it felt like, okay, I could share how I feel.

02:16:24.000 And there wasn't any other place in school really to do that.

02:16:26.160 Like in regular school, you know, like, unless you were talking like one-on-one with a buddy,

02:16:29.740 but just like to go in there and write poems and like think of things together and you go in there

02:16:35.540 and like they'd have a lot of like some some kids that were in kind of like i don't want to say

02:16:40.220 school shooty garb or whatever but just like you know we'd have like kids wearing like uh

02:16:44.780 i'm trying to think of um it'd be like sometimes like trench cody or less like big combat boots

02:16:50.300 and stuff yeah combat boots dude or we'd have like um doc martens right and the higher the doc martin

02:16:55.960 like kind of the like it got to a level where it was like normal kind of wild and then just like

02:17:02.540 and then like someone was like kind of perverse or whatever i think a little bit like way up to 0.98

02:17:07.500 the thigh yeah like way up to the cooter even you know it was like damn dude you definitely ain't no 0.94

02:17:12.340 hood hopper yeah yeah we ain't no ranker but it would just be like i don't know and then you'd 0.93

02:17:18.680 see like they'd have like a hippie girl in there who never wore a bra and that would make you 0.65

02:17:22.340 fucking go to class every single day bro because you could just if you closed your eyes you could 1.00

02:17:27.540 just hear her tits you know like it was just that age remember when you had that much hormones when 1.00

02:17:34.160 you were in high school and if you closed your eyes you could just hear somebody's tits dude 1.00

02:17:38.200 yeah fuck yeah they sound so soft oh welcome to ohio brother yeah i just feel like that's the 1.00

02:17:46.720 most Ohio thing ever. 0.99

02:17:50.060 Dude, thanks so much, man.

02:17:51.280 I'm excited about your new album.

02:17:52.380 Can you just tell me like one or two things about it?

02:17:54.580 I've read somewhere that it's in honor of your mother.

02:17:58.740 Yeah.

02:18:01.420 You know, I think a lot of it, you know,

02:18:04.160 I was writing shortly after she passed and stuff.

02:18:07.880 So, yeah, it's kind of dedicated to her

02:18:09.440 and kind of an interesting thing.

02:18:13.060 I mean, I, I, I kept wanting to call it so much for goodbyes.

02:18:17.400 And I just, I was thinking about that for a while and because I didn't get a chance

02:18:22.320 to say goodbye to my mother.

02:18:24.140 So that's kind of how I thought about it.

02:18:25.880 I was like, well, so much for goodbyes, you know, I guess I'm not going to get a chance

02:18:29.600 to say bye.

02:18:31.120 And when I, I brought it up to my manager, I said, I think I'm going to call the record

02:18:34.440 so much for goodbyes.

02:18:36.180 And he was like, man, that's cool.

02:18:38.180 It's like, you know, cause it's not really goodbye.

02:18:40.980 It's just like farewell for now.

02:18:42.520 Right.

02:18:43.060 And I was like, oh, that's not really how I was thinking of it.

02:18:46.180 But, yeah, that's kind of a more positive thing.

02:18:49.180 Yeah, like so much for goodbyes.

02:18:50.500 Like it doesn't even, that doesn't matter.

02:18:52.300 Yeah, because it's, you know, she's still kind of with me no matter what.

02:18:56.020 Oh, I'm sure she's hitchhiking. 0.98

02:18:57.800 Dude, she might have just got tired of kind of rocking around this galaxy. 1.00

02:19:01.060 She might have just be hitchhiking out there. 0.99

02:19:02.940 She's probably in Sedona somewhere in some, you know. 1.00

02:19:06.340 Oh, she's probably freaking nested up in a wind chime somewhere fucking living it up. 0.98

02:19:10.680 Yeah, totally. 0.99

02:19:11.520 You know?

02:19:11.960 but I do believe that when we think about other people

02:19:15.420 when we speak their name out loud

02:19:16.680 when we make music for them

02:19:18.300 when we pray for them

02:19:19.540 I believe that people can feel all of that

02:19:21.720 I don't really even doubt it

02:19:23.900 because it just feels so bigger than us

02:19:27.600 yeah

02:19:29.040 you know

02:19:30.560 right after she died

02:19:32.000 there were so many little things that I would feel

02:19:35.420 you know like

02:19:36.000 just these like certain animals

02:19:39.260 would come around or whatever

02:19:40.880 and like a dragonfly or I'd see a doe with like two fawns and I'm like man it would just break

02:19:46.960 my heart you know I mean it's like that's my mom and that's me and my brother or whatever you know 0.97

02:19:51.200 and it for a minute there it was like pissing me off it's like I don't want a fucking dragonfly 0.99

02:19:56.160 like I want my mom you know like fuck that dragonfly you know but now I like I look for 0.99

02:20:02.420 those things you know a cloud or whatever it is just the way the breeze feels um but my mom 0.99

02:20:09.600 she was an amazing artist she would constantly be calling me saying hey i took this

02:20:14.820 hubcap and glued this to that and i made this little alien you know battle and i i did this

02:20:21.040 and you know and so she always made this stuff and this was actually the piece that she was working

02:20:27.700 on the night that she died because she was always going to make the next record cover that was kind

02:20:33.040 of our deal um so this this thing that's in the frame with the hand and the the little crystal

02:20:41.320 ball and stuff like that it was unfinished um so we we kind of like filled the back end with

02:20:47.340 some portraits and stuff like that but but this was the last piece that she was working on right

02:20:52.960 and it kind of in capital it really and you know it's it gives her essence of just kind of how she

02:20:59.940 was. I mean, she was, she was like a million little things all glued together and, um, very

02:21:06.900 iridescent. And, um, so that's the art that we chose for the cover. And, um, you know, she got

02:21:15.100 to make the, the record cover like she wanted to. So stoked on that. And yeah, the songs, I think a

02:21:22.300 lot of them are about, um, just kind of what I was feeling at the time. And, um, you know,

02:21:29.540 there's a tune on there called wrestling an angel there's one called still I crash which is like

02:21:34.620 pretty much me exactly I think I wrote that like a days after she passed um just like me speaking

02:21:42.600 to her you know talking about how I just feel like I'm I gotta learn how to walk all over again

02:21:48.440 you know I feel like a baby deer and my legs are all wobbly and I'm just trying to learn how to

02:21:54.520 stand up on my own this time you know without her and it's uh you know so it's a pretty a deep

02:22:01.800 record but there's some good stuff on there you know there's some bluegrass on there and

02:22:05.500 um that milltown flood that's like a real there's like some real characters that really were from

02:22:11.520 muir back in the day and stuff really yeah yeah i you know i grew up in muir michigan which is like

02:22:17.040 yeah i remember you talking about that yeah it's like there's like 600 people that live there or

02:22:20.700 something. And nowadays it's kind of like a little, just a tiny little town doesn't have

02:22:26.660 that much popping. But back in the 1800s, it was like kind of popping, you know, like there was

02:22:33.840 like this whole little strip and they had these gristle mills and sawmills and they would float

02:22:41.340 the logs down the Grand River down to the sawmill and then they'd chop it all up. And then when the

02:22:46.180 Um, the, the railroad came through there, then they could put all that lumber on the

02:22:52.900 railroad and ship it out to, you know, Milwaukee or whatever.

02:22:55.780 Yeah.

02:22:56.180 And, um, and so it, it was a hustling, a hustling little place.

02:23:01.200 There was this guy named Darwin Lyon.

02:23:03.220 He was the station agent at the, the Grand Trunk, uh, railroads Montrose station, which

02:23:10.600 was later named Muir.

02:23:12.420 um but yeah so he was the station agent there in muir and this family the blanchard family was

02:23:20.720 like some of the first people that like settled there and started you know making shit happen and

02:23:25.760 so i like used some of those characters and then um kind of made this like sort of fictional story

02:23:34.040 about some actual non-fictional characters you know so i i like that tune i think that was a

02:23:40.400 cool thing I just I've been infatuated with like the history of the area of like you know just the

02:23:47.440 Grand River Valley well I know you have you have a concert you have your uh freak fair is it freak

02:23:53.480 fest the I own your freak fair yeah yeah I own your freak fair and that's something you're you

02:23:57.940 started right yeah yeah that but I just think it's awesome to create something that people

02:24:02.880 from your area can be a part of you know like um oh man I've been trying to do this for years

02:24:06.960 I've been wanting to bring a festival

02:24:08.700 To my hometown for a while now

02:24:11.000 But yeah we got a bunch of good bands coming

02:24:13.840 You know

02:24:15.020 Green Sky, Leftover Salmon, Sierra Hole

02:24:17.760 Michael Cleveland and the Flame Keeper

02:24:19.600 Yep, Lindsay Liu

02:24:21.380 And then we're going to have like 0.58

02:24:23.040 This tent

02:24:24.820 Where we're going to have some metal bands

02:24:26.960 Bane, Cryptopsy, Flesh and Blood

02:24:29.660 Robot, See You Next Tuesday

02:24:31.120 For the Fallen Dreams

02:24:32.260 Some of these bands I used to run around with

02:24:34.480 Back in the day when I played in metal bands

02:24:36.760 and stuff oh full chord yeah dude that's so cool bro what a great thing to just bring to your area

02:24:43.400 just a great weekend of music it's gonna be sick um that's like in two that's like in freaking two

02:24:49.760 weeks yeah man it's gonna be awesome hell yeah yeah dude thanks so much man just for catching

02:24:57.020 up today and stuff for inviting us here like just to be in grand rapids like um it's cool man

02:25:03.180 i remember when i came here uh we did a show here and it was great i actually have a friend

02:25:07.820 named paul that lives here that i just realized on the way in town i don't even know if i'm gonna

02:25:11.880 be able to get to see him but um love you paul i remember when i used to work he and i was

02:25:17.200 dishwasher he and i was on bus boys at this restaurant and i found a abbey road cassette

02:25:22.500 tape it was the first time i'd ever heard the beatles and i put it in my in my i had a 84

02:25:27.680 Ford Escort, I put it in there.

02:25:29.320 Dude, and I listened to that for probably three years, dude.

02:25:34.600 Yeah, I just saw your film, Busboys.

02:25:37.320 Oh, you saw it?

02:25:38.180 I loved it.

02:25:38.860 Did you?

02:25:39.480 Yeah, I laughed my ass off, dude.

02:25:41.860 So I didn't know you were an actual busboy at one point.

02:25:44.680 Oh, yeah, bro.

02:25:45.660 I was in the trenches.

02:25:46.300 Dude, I was one of the first busboys to use creatine regularly.

02:25:50.960 I was, man. 0.99

02:25:52.180 We fucking did a good job on it. 0.99

02:25:54.320 Bro, there wasn't a fucking dish. 1.00

02:25:56.700 Dude, I'll say this. 1.00

02:25:58.020 West of the Mississippi, there wasn't a dish that I couldn't fuck with. 0.99

02:26:02.700 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:03.700 I was fucking good, bro. 0.98

02:26:05.860 I was good. 0.98

02:26:06.460 I loved it so much.

02:26:07.960 And then I think I got caught up in drugs.

02:26:09.920 That brought me down a little bit.

02:26:11.860 Was it really like that, though? 0.99

02:26:13.200 Like the servers were like all hot shit? 0.99

02:26:16.340 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

02:26:17.280 Like they were good looking and shit? 1.00

02:26:18.520 And they would all fuck or whatever. 1.00

02:26:20.220 And they looked at you like you couldn't even hold their condoms or whatever. 1.00

02:26:24.100 Oh, man. 0.87

02:26:25.200 it was just so trash dang it i know but yeah dude and we had a dude bro we had this dude named um

02:26:32.500 todd he was they he was like part of some work release program there in arizona that's where i 0.99

02:26:38.380 did it at and he would fucking be they had a chain he would be chained like this fucking pizza oven 0.97

02:26:43.480 then he was over there working but they had like a six foot chain that he couldn't leave like the 0.99

02:26:47.860 area or whatever dude our freaking chef got busted for buying illegal shrimp one day like the like

02:26:53.340 i guess the food and beverage like if you go high enough in that department some of them get guns

02:26:58.080 or whatever because they came running in bro kicked open the back door they had everybody

02:27:02.180 on the ground and they like busted the place for like buying illegal shrimp cameronis and i was 0.56

02:27:07.560 like what the fuck is going on wow but yeah bro thanks for checking it out dude it was a it was a

02:27:14.060 it was crazy to make it dude we went through so much yeah but i think i would do something fun 0.64

02:27:19.920 again like that dude you should it was awesome man yeah i love that we did it all ourselves

02:27:25.160 yeah yeah and to make a film with david spades probably a oh dude dream come true right i can't 0.52

02:27:31.440 even i mean we all grew up on fucking joe dirt oh dude he shot he did joe dirt uh i think they

02:27:38.260 did joe dirt too and they shot it in covington louisiana which is oddly enough the town that i 0.98

02:27:43.200 grew up in no shit yeah and then years later and i he became friends and he's shooting uh grownups

02:27:49.180 three right now out of new jersey but dude i used to love just how just mean everybody is to joe 0.99

02:27:56.980 dirt dude it's such bullshit like the very first scene he like pulls up and you know the guy's 0.99

02:28:03.440 like why don't you just drive this piece of shit off the cliff and do us all a favor 1.00

02:28:06.660 you know and then kid rocks like such a dick to him leopard fuck it sucks yeah 1.00

02:28:12.640 yeah dude and the crazy part is is uh that that them knowing each other is one of the reasons 0.99

02:28:20.700 that i even got to meet uh kid rock so it just it just i don't know life's the weirdest thing

02:28:27.580 isn't it it is weird isn't it the weirdest thing i mean yeah it's i feel like my life definitely

02:28:35.900 is but i feel like probably everybody feels that way yeah um i think it's true i think if you get

02:28:42.420 out and try and just push yourself into life that there's like things happen yes these pathways

02:28:50.440 they connect and there's there's all these circles that eventually you run back into the other side

02:28:57.660 of that other circle or something you know yeah dreams get weaved man yeah yeah dreams get weaved

02:29:03.940 dude um if you feel comfortable you want to play a song for us on the way out sure is there something

02:29:09.020 I want to ask you too

02:29:11.040 I have a couple questions

02:29:11.800 really quick

02:29:12.320 we have a quick segment

02:29:13.360 that we do with Mountain Dew

02:29:14.220 since you brought it up

02:29:15.020 so many times

02:29:15.680 can I ask you

02:29:16.760 one or two questions

02:29:17.580 yeah

02:29:18.860 alright

02:29:20.560 what should I

02:29:21.760 give this

02:29:22.580 try bro

02:29:23.840 yeah it's sugar free

02:29:25.140 I haven't had Mountain Dew 0.99

02:29:27.780 in fucking years 0.99

02:29:28.900 bro let's have some 1.00

02:29:29.760 here you go

02:29:30.620 yeah

02:29:32.240 hell yeah

02:29:37.620 it's good

02:29:38.760 Wow, that's a blast from the past.

02:29:41.980 Not even Baja.

02:29:43.920 Just regular.

02:29:45.440 Remember when they came out with Code Red, dude,

02:29:47.100 and people were like, this is for Valentine's only or whatever,

02:29:50.100 like rich people or whatever? 0.99

02:29:51.320 Yeah, Code Red is like fucking, that's like chewing five gum. 1.00

02:29:57.320 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:00.120 No sugar, don't even have to worry about it.

02:30:02.760 That zero sugar is kind of a vibe too.

02:30:05.020 Same feeling, no sugar.

02:30:06.520 It actually just tastes like Mountain Dew

02:30:08.740 Yeah

02:30:09.240 Did you ever go to summer camp?

02:30:11.880 No, I never went to summer camp

02:30:13.640 I don't even know

02:30:16.940 I didn't even know that was an option

02:30:19.700 Yeah

02:30:20.520 But I did one time

02:30:22.720 Our school

02:30:23.620 When I was in like sixth grade

02:30:27.180 I think

02:30:27.660 Took us to like this like winter camp

02:30:30.520 And that was like, you know 0.99

02:30:32.040 We were all like sledding and shit 0.99

02:30:33.480 And I remember me and Mike Borton 0.99

02:30:36.280 and Travis Rogers were always trying to go, like, sneak over 0.99

02:30:39.420 and see these girls in their cabin and shit. 0.97

02:30:42.640 I remember, like, who was it back in the day? 0.99

02:30:44.820 Marissa Smith.

02:30:45.800 Oh, God.

02:30:46.280 Anna Conrad and, like, Risha Ranucci and stuff. 0.96

02:30:50.440 Oh, the Ranucci girls were dimes, bro. 0.99

02:30:55.180 I don't know them, but I just know I can only imagine 0.99

02:30:58.100 and I like to imagine, you know?

02:31:00.160 I had a big crush on Marissa Smith, but I was too shy.

02:31:04.140 Bro.

02:31:04.540 just way too shy bro dude i had a freaking crush on this one girl um this one girl amanda dude i 0.83

02:31:12.380 had the fucking biggest crush on her this girl i had a crush on her dude and i only only thing i 0.98

02:31:17.580 could do i drew pictures of her on my wall at home all the time and my mom got so pissed you 0.96

02:31:26.100 know my mom ended up spanking me pretty bad for it one time wow and it was so sad because i was

02:31:31.740 like i like loved her so much and then i would just ended up getting like spanked for it or

02:31:36.940 whatever or beaten or whatever i don't say beaten because you can't say it anymore but we used to

02:31:40.260 call it beaten so but dang yeah winter yeah never never yeah winter camp that's kind of what it was

02:31:47.900 but a couple of my friends uh my friend matt and my friend brendan just dropped their kids off for

02:31:54.480 summer camp just recently yeah and so they're they're out there having fun yeah dude i wish

02:31:59.780 had to go on a summer camp we went to like ymca summer camp but everybody got really bad allergies

02:32:05.160 i think the field they put us in was like the worst pollen field yes it was like it was just

02:32:11.380 like a right on the edge of a pine forest and like the whole thing was just so much pollen and

02:32:16.580 people you try to play kickball but like two minutes into the game people couldn't even see

02:32:20.580 or play like it was people just standing around in the sun dude i remember this one kid his

02:32:26.220 dollars would get so bad he would just put his hands straight up in the air almost like the

02:32:30.900 cops were like the cops were getting him or whatever but dude it would be so bad and then

02:32:37.160 we had to eat these hot lunches because there was nowhere to keep our lunches cold so we'd eat like

02:32:41.140 these like just like bologna and cheese like and it was just like you would just sweat all day and

02:32:47.220 then your mom would finally come get you like in the beginning you would be excited and at the end

02:32:51.360 you'd be like please mom come get me and they had one kid who was kind of like mentally challenged

02:32:55.300 or whatever, but he would moonwalk all day. 1.00

02:32:58.420 And in the morning, everybody's like, you're a loser. 1.00

02:33:00.280 But by the end of the day, everybody's just like watching him dance and shit. 1.00

02:33:03.860 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:33:05.680 If you were doing a road trip, this is the last question I have.

02:33:08.140 If you were doing a road trip, what small town would you go to

02:33:12.560 or would you suggest someone go to?

02:33:17.520 Oh.

02:33:21.080 I have to think about this for a moment.

02:33:24.020 Yeah, is there a nice one in Michigan?

02:33:27.380 I know there are, but is there a nice one that you suggest, I mean?

02:33:32.660 Oh, like, I mean, there's so many small towns around here.

02:33:38.500 Like, if you drive in any direction, you're going to find, like,

02:33:41.720 these tiny little towns that have been there for ages, but they're just tiny.

02:33:45.600 Like, there's one called Sparta, you know, Greenville, Belding, and stuff.

02:33:51.960 But honestly, Ionia is a nice one.

02:33:54.720 I was going to say Muir, you know, but that's I'm obviously biased, but that's OK.

02:34:00.520 It's a beautiful place.

02:34:01.840 I mean, it's the Maple River runs through there and it's it's a tiny little town.

02:34:06.140 There's there's some history there.

02:34:08.020 There's not much there.

02:34:08.960 You might get all the copper wires stolen out of your vehicle or something.

02:34:13.680 They need it.

02:34:14.900 Yeah.

02:34:16.320 Village of Muir right there.

02:34:17.560 Show it to me.

02:34:18.580 Well, dude, my town, Covington, Louisiana is a small town.

02:34:21.960 But, dude, I went back not long ago, and I was just walking around downtown.

02:34:25.900 It's great.

02:34:26.860 Yeah.

02:34:27.280 There's a lot of, like, nice, like, first of all, there's a lot of great people,

02:34:31.100 and it's changing, and I didn't know if I expected that when I was growing up there.

02:34:35.480 Like, it's always been a place with, like, great storytelling

02:34:37.580 and just, like, kind of mystery and stuff like that and intrigue,

02:34:41.740 but it's turned into, like, the most beautiful little town.

02:34:45.220 Village of Muir, right there.

02:34:47.900 Is that you right there, Billy?

02:34:48.940 That is, yeah.

02:34:49.900 They put this sign up that says hometown of Grammy winner Billy Strings.

02:34:56.800 It says 2021, but they need to put three time on there now.

02:35:01.160 Let's update that sign, Muir.

02:35:04.180 I'm going to donate to the coffers over there in Muir

02:35:06.400 so they have enough money to update that sign, dude.

02:35:08.980 No joke.

02:35:09.720 We're going to reach out to the city council over there

02:35:13.960 and see if we can't get that updated, dude.

02:35:16.480 That's awesome.

02:35:17.020 We could buy the, you know, village market and turn it into a titty bar or something.

02:35:22.100 I think that'd be probably a good venture.

02:35:25.680 Oh, yeah.

02:35:26.400 As long as we keep some of, like, the produce section or something.

02:35:28.740 I mean, I want people to still be able to get fresh stuff.

02:35:32.200 Hell, yeah.

02:35:33.060 You know?

02:35:34.040 Yeah.

02:35:34.580 Because I'm not saying the titties won't be fresh, but, you know, it's TBD, man.

02:35:39.160 Yeah.

02:35:39.480 I mean, it'll be something.

02:35:41.700 There might be some kind of pirate-esque kind of things going on.

02:35:45.540 Yeah.

02:35:45.820 Yeah, dude

02:35:48.060 Yeah, you want to play one on the way out for us, fella?

02:35:51.620 You don't feel like you have to, though

02:35:52.720 We can also just call it a day

02:35:53.660 Yeah, I'd love to, man

02:35:54.840 Would you really, dude?

02:35:55.800 Yeah

02:35:56.120 Let's go

02:35:57.260 Heck yeah, dude

02:36:13.040 Yeah, man.

02:36:40.900 Let's see

02:36:43.160 I was thinking about this tune

02:36:45.800 Because we were talking about the village market

02:36:47.860 And

02:36:48.740 It kind of made me hungry

02:36:51.500 Yeah?

02:36:52.700 Yeah

02:36:53.100 So maybe we'll go get something to eat after this

02:36:56.460 But this will get us in the mood

02:36:57.760 Alright

02:37:10.900 Shoulder up the gun and whistle up the dog

02:37:26.060 Shoulder up the gun and whistle up the dog

02:37:28.460 Off to the woods for to catch a groundhog

02:37:30.640 Oh, groundhog

02:37:32.500 Run here, sailor, with a snicker and a grin

02:37:36.340 Run here, sailor, with a snicker and a grin 1.00

02:37:38.720 Groundhog grease all over her chin 1.00

02:37:40.900 Oh, groundhog 1.00

02:37:42.920 We're on here, Sally, with a ten-foot pole

02:38:06.320 We're on here, Sally, with a ten-foot pole 1.00

02:38:08.440 Twist that whistle pig out of his hole 0.98

02:38:10.640 Oh, Groundhog 0.98

02:38:12.520 There's meat in the cupboard and butter in the churn

02:38:23.840 Meat in the cupboard and butter in the churn 0.91

02:38:26.100 If that ain't Groundhog, I'll be darned 0.89

02:38:28.420 Oh, Groundhog 0.54

02:38:38.440 There's a little piece of cornbread laying on the shelf

02:38:51.080 A little piece of cornbread laying on the shelf

02:38:53.400 If you want any more, you can take it yourself

02:38:55.460 Oh, Brown Hall 0.94

02:39:08.440 Gonna eat up the meat and save the hide 0.60

02:39:20.420 Eat up the meat and save the hide 0.98

02:39:22.540 The best damn shoestring that ever was tied 0.99

02:39:24.660 Oh, groundhog 0.99

02:39:38.440 Oh, look at the fellers, they're about to fall

02:39:47.220 Look at the fellers, they're about to fall

02:39:49.320 They eat till the britches won't button at all

02:39:51.580 Oh, groundhog

02:40:08.440 Shoulder up the gun and whistle up the dog

02:40:13.760 Shoulder up the gun and whistle up the dog

02:40:16.060 Off to the woods for to catch a groundhog

02:40:18.160 Oh, groundhog

02:40:20.260 Oh, groundhog

02:40:28.920 Oh, groundhog

02:40:37.460 Let's go.

02:40:42.680 Groundhog, baby.

02:40:43.800 God.

02:40:44.980 You think they're good?

02:40:47.200 Would you try one?

02:40:48.560 Yeah.

02:40:49.600 I would, too.

02:40:50.520 Got hog in it.

02:40:53.540 You know, it's not probably wild, you know.

02:40:56.320 I'd go in it with a bacon mindset, probably, to be honest with you.

02:40:59.620 I'd hate that.

02:41:00.800 Yeah, I bet they're nice and greasy. 0.89

02:41:02.620 They kind of get off easy, though, having hog in their name. 0.80

02:41:05.760 Yeah.

02:41:05.980 And not being, like, accosted for it, you know, not being put in that place.

02:41:12.260 Heck, yeah.

02:41:13.700 Thank you, dude.

02:41:15.040 Thank you, man.

02:41:18.020 Appreciate you, brother.

02:41:19.200 Thank you.

02:41:19.820 Appreciate you, too, man.

02:41:20.720 Thank you so much.

02:41:21.720 Of course.

02:41:24.140 Anything else that you want to talk about or anything else you want to play to you?

02:41:35.980 I could try one off the new record

02:41:40.900 Yeah, if you feel okay, but you don't feel like you have to

02:41:45.440 Let's see

02:41:46.420 So, you know, I was talking about Muir

02:41:50.540 And how I just get kind of obsessed with that place

02:41:54.060 And just that whole Grand River Valley there

02:41:57.300 And you ever go driving through your old hometown

02:42:02.480 And just like look at your old haunts

02:42:04.120 and just kind of get flooded with these memories.

02:42:09.820 I'm one of those real nostalgic types.

02:42:13.600 Oh, I love nostalgia, man.

02:42:14.440 Yeah.

02:42:15.720 So I have this tune that's called that.

02:42:19.140 It's called I'm One of Those.

02:42:34.120 I'm looking for the place I used to live

02:42:51.200 I've been driving up and down this road

02:42:55.480 Trying to bring back old memories

02:42:58.720 For one reason or another I let go

02:43:02.260 I'm one of those

02:43:06.740 I'm looking for the time

02:43:08.820 Where the river used to make a bend

02:43:13.260 But it's been too long 0.98

02:43:16.440 And I'm a fool to try to find that place again 0.98

02:43:19.920 I'm one of those 0.98

02:43:24.520 Guess I have too much time on my hands

02:43:27.640 I'm one of those

02:43:28.900 I could not find a place that I could land

02:43:32.120 I hope you don't

02:43:33.600 But if you do

02:43:34.780 You'll probably understand

02:43:36.280 That's how it goes

02:43:38.620 I'm one of those

02:43:57.460 I've got a thing

02:43:59.500 For shuffling the day

02:44:01.600 Leaving town in the cover of the night

02:44:06.220 Pins up the ties that bind me

02:44:09.520 If I don't, I know I'll end up in a fight

02:44:12.680 Now could I go back to the place I love to dwell

02:44:19.260 Where we sang our song and passed the jug around

02:44:23.600 Well I wept to all the ghosts that wander back

02:44:27.840 Across this road I'm strolling down

02:44:30.260 I'm one of those

02:44:34.720 I guess I have too much time on my hands

02:44:37.800 I'm one of those

02:44:39.060 I could not find a place that I could land

02:44:42.200 I hope you don't

02:44:43.580 But if you do, you'll probably understand

02:44:46.600 That's how it goes

02:44:48.340 I'm one of those

02:44:52.780 oh

02:45:17.580 let's go

02:45:22.780 It's hard for folks to see through my disguise

02:45:44.440 I'm not home, but I can still pretend

02:45:48.480 And if I went and left Ukraine 0.52

02:45:51.620 I might have to circle back this way again 1.00

02:45:54.960 I'm one of those

02:45:59.460 Guess I had too much time on my hands

02:46:02.540 I'm one of those

02:46:03.800 I could not find a place that I could land

02:46:06.940 I hope you don't

02:46:08.320 But if you do, you'll probably understand

02:46:11.300 That's how it goes

02:46:12.920 I'm one of those

02:46:21.620 I'm one of those

02:46:26.120 I'm one of those, man.

02:46:39.080 Dude, that's magnificent, bro.

02:46:40.780 Oh, thanks, man.

02:46:41.540 Thank you so much, man.

02:46:43.080 So much for goodbyes.

02:46:43.960 So much for goodbyes.

02:46:44.820 Comes out August 28th.

02:46:46.120 Yeah.

02:46:47.740 Dude, that's so exciting, man.

02:46:49.600 Dude, I'm one of those, man.

02:46:51.620 I'm one of those, sometimes I've spent so much time in the past,

02:46:54.680 I just don't, you know.

02:46:56.920 But at a certain point, you start missing out too much.

02:46:59.660 Yeah, I know.

02:47:00.080 You got to look through the windshield, you know,

02:47:01.820 instead of in the rear view all the time.

02:47:03.800 Yeah, they say that's why it's bigger.

02:47:05.240 Somebody said that.

02:47:06.000 I don't know who said that.

02:47:07.240 Yeah.

02:47:08.420 Oh, man, you like nicking daddy's hands

02:47:11.040 and giving everybody kisses?

02:47:14.360 Yeah, this thing, just this best date I've been on in a while.

02:47:16.800 This.

02:47:17.020 So much for goodbyes

02:47:21.900 That's out August 28th, man

02:47:24.140 With your mom's beautiful artwork right there

02:47:26.140 Yep 0.91

02:47:26.780 What a creative lady 0.98

02:47:28.380 What a creative family, man 0.66

02:47:29.640 You know?

02:47:31.100 Hell yeah

02:47:31.580 What a creative family that you're a part of

02:47:33.720 And uh

02:47:47.020 I'm trying to think on the first one, I did cocaine blues.

02:48:02.420 Cocaine.

02:48:03.480 Cocaine.

02:48:05.060 There is this little one that I could add on there,

02:48:07.580 even just for fun, since we're sitting here.

02:48:10.820 All right.

02:48:17.020 guitar solo

02:48:47.020 I ain't got no hair

02:48:49.540 I ain't got no shoes

02:48:51.540 These people here

02:48:53.260 They treat me fine

02:48:55.720 These people here

02:48:57.380 They treat me fine

02:48:59.440 They feed me beer

02:49:01.380 And they feed me wine

02:49:03.380 Cause I've got the blues

02:49:05.420 Those Nashville blues

02:49:07.520 I've got the blues

02:49:09.440 Those Nashville blues

02:49:11.580 I ain't got no hair

02:49:13.560 I ain't got no shoes

02:49:15.540 I'm going back down Arkansas

02:49:41.540 Oh, I'm going back to Arkansas, I'm going to stay right there with the Maul and Paul.

02:49:50.580 Cause I've got the blues, those Nashville blues, I've got the blues, those Nashville blues.

02:49:58.100 I ain't got no head, ain't got no shoes.

02:50:11.540 I've got the blues

02:50:26.820 Those Nashville blues

02:50:28.760 I've got the blues

02:50:30.820 Those Nashville blues

02:50:32.940 Ain't got no head 0.93

02:50:35.000 Ain't got no shoes

02:50:37.220 So much for goodbyes, man.

02:50:46.180 I ain't got no hat or shoes, Bear.

02:50:49.240 He don't got no shoes or no hat.

02:50:52.720 He don't even have a collar on right now.

02:50:56.760 Oh, what a pleasure, man.

02:50:58.560 Dude, Billy, thank you so much, bro.

02:51:00.620 Thanks for coming.

02:51:01.800 This is, man, just what a gift today to be able to just sit and spend time with you

02:51:04.900 to kind of go through whatever's been happening in your life,

02:51:07.840 and you just share stories so well, man.

02:51:09.680 You're just like, I don't know.

02:51:12.020 You're kind of like this connector piece to the other side, man, and it's nice.

02:51:16.180 Thank you, man.

02:51:17.000 Well, I appreciate it, and I'm glad you're doing this road trip, man,

02:51:21.180 and was able to swing up through my stomping grounds a little bit.

02:51:25.280 It's kind of nice to have you here in Grand Rapids, man.

02:51:28.540 Yeah, we appreciate it, man.

02:51:31.820 Yeah, and good luck with Freak Fest.

02:51:34.900 Yeah.

02:51:36.360 Yeah, and good luck with Freak Fest and Billy Strings, man.

02:51:41.760 Can't thank you enough, dude.

02:51:43.180 All right.

02:51:43.760 I can't thank you enough.

02:51:44.980 Keep your stick on the ice.

02:51:46.340 Yeah.

02:51:46.940 Don't let your meatloaf. 0.97

02:51:49.300 Watch your top knot.

02:51:51.800 Keep it greasy side down. 0.67

02:51:53.400 Yeah, greasy side.

02:51:54.860 Oh, I think both sides are greasy, but we'll do our best, man.

02:52:00.660 If you ain't in bed by midnight, come home.

02:52:02.100 Yeah.

02:52:02.360 Stay out of the tall weeds

02:52:06.080 Yeah

02:52:07.700 You're a gift to this world man

02:52:09.000 And you're a gift to us today

02:52:09.860 Thank you so much brother

02:52:10.740 Thank you

02:52:11.600 Alrighty

02:52:12.320 Now I'm just floating on the breeze

02:52:15.740 And I feel I'm falling like these leaves

02:52:18.680 I must be cornerstone

02:52:22.020 Oh but when I reach that ground

02:52:26.560 I'll share this peace of mind

02:52:28.740 I found I can feel it

02:52:30.800 In my bones

02:52:32.900 But it's gonna take

This Past Weekend with Theo Von - August 20, 2026

#676 - Billy Strings

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