E373 Tony Hawk & Jason Ellis
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1 hour and 30 minutes
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197.29889
Summary
Tony Hawk and Jason Ellis are one of the greatest skateboarders of all time, and they have joined forces in their new podcast, Hawk vs. Wolf. In this episode, Tony and Jason discuss how they met, how they first met, and what it was like growing up in the late 80s and early 90s in Los Angeles.
Transcript
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Today's episode is brought to you by Liquid Death.
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I want to let you know we got new Be Good to Yourself colorways.
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Also available is the I'm Upstairs collection, baby.
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And the new Get That Hitter Bait and Tackle collection.
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I want to let you know, though, I got some new tour dates that you can check out.
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February 2nd, I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida.
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Anyway, May 6th in Tulsa, May 7th in Los Angeles.
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Today's guests are a real tandem, a real duet, if you will.
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They are one-of-a-kind men in their own right, and they have joined forces.
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From their new podcast, Hawk vs. Wolf, they are the greatest skateboarder of all time, Mr. Tony Hawk,
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and one of the most multifaceted men of all time, Mr. Jason Ellis.
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What's that show with those four people, Colin?
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But the whole country's a game, so you gotta jump over a wall to even get there.
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It's because of the different legislation, I think.
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I mean, the rules are definitely different on who can die.
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When I was a kid, they just built giant vert ramps
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And here, the only person that had a giant vert ramp
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is some pro dude that's got all the insurance and shit.
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and he's like making firewood out of his last ramp,
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whenever I was just really kind of catching a break in comedy,
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you brought me on to your serious show a couple times.
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holy shit, this guy's the funniest guy I've ever heard on radio.
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Let me show you fucking Theo Vaughn, everybody.
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No, you definitely given me, like, a nod of confidence.
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It was like, you and Simon Rex kind of did it at the same time,
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Yeah, and then we were doing that for a while, and then he went off to somewhat greener pastures
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and started being the voice of the channel we were on, for the most part, and then I
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kept doing the podcast, and then I was just kind of getting buried in there.
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What do you think you were missing, like, when he wasn't there?
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Was there something that you felt like you were missing?
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Well, yeah, definitely an edgier comedy, I would say, yes.
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And I had a lot of kids listening, because it was, oh, yeah.
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The time was very much still skating, and we were doing video games, and they wanted to
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But then, like I said, they just kind of fizzled out, and then he started podcasting, and I
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hit him up, and I said, maybe we should try something.
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And so we started trying it, and it kind of clicked, and it's been fun.
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When I watch, I feel like, yeah, I feel like you guys have a comfort level with each other.
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There's a real earnestness that comes out of you a lot that I think creates this, makes
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I haven't watched a ton, but from what I've seen, it seems like a new little, not like
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a marriage, but like a new little, like, okay, it's springtime at the house.
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You did give me a key to the rant the other day, and I thought it was just as good as an
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I think it's pretty special, what's happening, for sure.
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Although someone broke in the other night, stole some camera gear.
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Maybe the holidays, people are looking to give cameras out or something.
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Well, they were going around the building trying to get into different doors and finally
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got into the door that just happened to be by a camera that was set up.
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If he had gotten the other door open, he would have had a piece of the loop.
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Like, if Theo stole the loop, what would you do?
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What would be the first thing that you would do with the loop?
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I'd probably take it to Canada or Australia where people would freaking mount somebody
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You could sell it for big money over there, I think.
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Go down that roll and you'll be dead in a minute.
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I mean, I did it and it was one of the most painful, terrifying experiences of my skateboard
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Some people get it a little easier, but I was already on my way out doing radio and
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And I was like, well, fuck, if you're calling me.
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Yeah, that's, it's a, it's a prestige, you know, to do the loop.
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I think it had only like 10 people had done it.
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And I was like, well, this is an opportunity for me to.
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And all Americans, all white, like whites, all women.
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That's cheating a little bit, though, don't you think?
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No, it was so hard for us to get the speed for him.
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We had to build an extension on the starting ramp for him.
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It's like being in the dryer for a really couple seconds.
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Because especially if you've got skateboarding in your background, when you get to the upside
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down part, you want to look back because that's what you usually do.
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So you've got to not look back and keep looking at this line, and it just doesn't seem right.
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So you want to do that little lean, and then that makes you do this twisty thing, and
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Well, I'm just trying to say, because now it's a lot more diverse.
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When I was young, it was like white dudes who had been, who were about to fight their
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stepfather were the ones who were skateboarding.
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I had to, like, you know, I got approval after many years of hard work and, you know,
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humiliation, and, you know, they destroy you and call you a pile of shit and throw your
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I tell this story, but I made checkers inside checkers with the grip tape on the board.
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It had to be perfect, and I'm not very, like, good with, like, art and shit.
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And I show up, like, fucking Christian Osoy boy with checkers in checkers.
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I'm like, I'm the fucking sickest dude out here.
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And I get on the ramp, and this dude that's now my friend, Zach Reynolds, he goes, what
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And just grabs it off me and throws it in the trash can.
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But I just grabbed it out of the trash can and kept skating, because that's how it goes.
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Now it's like, man, how's it looking good in the States, Jason?
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We had, I'm trying to think if we had a lot of skateboarding in our area.
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We had one dude jumped off the Shoney's one time on a board and hit.
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Some people think when you're going off a roof, you're going to be able to jump, but I think
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He like shattered his neck or whatever, which I didn't even think you could shatter.
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Like your neck's already kind of in like different pieces, I feel like.
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So it's like to, you know, but they said he shattered his neck, but he wore a neck brace
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Yeah, that they don't shatter because there's pieces in there.
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I mean, we're not doctors on this side of the table, but what the fuck?
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It doesn't seem like shattering seems like a hard word to use for the neck, but what
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is something that most people, what's the first thing most people break doing skateboarding?
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Wheeled things have always super, super scared me.
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I don't like, I don't even like being in a car if it's in neutral and it's off.
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Like I don't do well on anything that has like loose, just like has the ability to be loose
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If you say rise up lights real fast, rise up lights, it sounds like Razorblades in Australian.
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Yeah, but I'm saying the Australian thing to see if you sound...
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Let's just keep doing that and then that's the podcast.
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Just want to know what you boys, Tony and Jason, what's the gnarliest injury you guys
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have seen in skateboarding, whether it be professional or just down at the skate park
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And I fractured my skull and broke my thumb all at the same time.
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But I was knocked out, so it wasn't like I was witnessing all this in real time.
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And then his arm was just dangling and like dangling behind him.
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I broke my wrist and I popped my elbow out of the back of my arm.
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When I was 16 and I was about to get on a plane to go back to Melbourne.
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And I was like, we'll just skate to skate park near the airport.
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It was good that I was young because I just went into shock.
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And then you realize when you suck on it that it's got heroin in it.
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I'd fucking just be bringing a fucking lord across the street, son.
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I didn't have that dope whistle over there, man.
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I think it seems like you guys' dynamic is that you're going to somehow...
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It would seem like you would know so much, but you're going to learn a lot from him.
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There's been a couple of times where his stories went crossed over.
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You would understand like every now and then at a certain place where it might not be super
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appropriate to go deep into your own head because you're pretty gross, you know?
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I mean, I've been involved in some stuff that's probably not, you know, stuff you would talk
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about with someone's mom or something if you just met their mom.
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Yeah, it almost seems like your penis is like you're its parole officer.
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And sometimes it feels like it's Mr. Court Dator, too.
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Jason, I know that you love MMA and skateboarding.
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I know that that's part of your past and fighting is something you just love to do, you
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Was there ever a skateboarder or somebody like a ramp man or something that you wouldn't
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Or that was like somebody who was like a real badass that was like, what's this dude doing
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I don't like the argument or where people are heated.
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Like, if I have to defend myself because I've been in bad situations, so instinctually
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If you're going to corner me, then I'm going to go because I know what the other side of
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Like, if you don't defend yourself, you just get shit kicked and I'm not going to let
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So, there's that, but I don't like the fight-fight thing.
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And in skateboarding, people are either really short or maybe tall and skinny, but it's not
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You know, with the holidays, I find sometimes I get discouraged.
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You know, some people even feel depressed during the holidays and, you know, because there's
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Because in skateboarding, you can be a bit bulky and be his height.
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If you're like 6'4 and bulky, skateboards barely hold me.
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Or if you were bigger and bulkier, it would feel more forced and robotic.
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You see him, and you're just like, that's not a typical skater.
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They got any big dogs that get out on the board?
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There was a guy that tried to drop him in my ramp.
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If you want to see something heavy, literally heavy.
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He's seriously one of the best skaters right now.
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Skateboarding, I know for a fact, if you're bigger, it's the fall that's harder than you.
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If I wasn't such a pussy, dude, I'd be good at it, I bet.
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I think I would have really, if I could have really focused on it, it seems like it takes a lot of real focus in a strange way.
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I don't know, what's the best element to be a skateboarder?
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Yeah, because you've got to do it over and over again.
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Sometimes it seems impossible, but if you go enough, all of a sudden you can.
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But there's so many different elements, too, that you could be good at, so you can kind of focus in on, well, I'm really good at doing these types of flip tricks.
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And getting them into grinds and stuff, and that can just be your whole brand.
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They fly out of our amps, and that's their thing, and everyone loves to see them fly, and that's good enough.
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Some people have a little bit of all of it, but then some are like, highlight, you know, if you look at Nigel Houston, just precision, technical, like beyond any Olympian.
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Looks like the board, when it's not with him, is still with him.
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Yeah, sometimes you see people like that, that start to change the way that things are done.
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Like Patrick Mahomes kind of changes the quarterback position.
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You're like, oh, I didn't think that this could even be played differently.
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And then it seems like he just plays the game differently or at a speed that looks totally new for some reason, whether it's faster or slower than what's been done.
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He's known as Big Boy, literally a big boy, and he used to be a skater.
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He grew up skating in Orange County, and he was making waves because he does a lot of weightlifting and stuff.
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Like if you had a big jumpsuit, you know what I mean?
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You got five guys and just put one head at the top of it, that's what he looks like.
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He had a clip that went viral doing a kickflip or something or an ollie, and everyone was just like, dude, I was like, you know, and you could tell that he already had the skate skills, but he's gotten big.
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So then he started to hit me up like, man, I want to jump in on your ramp.
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And I was like, yeah, you might want to work your way up to it.
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Because everything that I saw him riding was maybe four to five feet.
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He was not going to take the time to figure it out.
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Is that tattoo or did somebody graffiti on him?
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Yeah, what if somebody just tagged him up and he fell asleep in Arizona for an hour?
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And I kept telling him, like, you got to bend your knees more because he's straightened
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He looks like the singer on a cruise line, kind of.
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He looks like somebody who's waiting bar on a cruise.
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And so, when he got to the top of the vert ramp, I said, all right, you just got to bend
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your knees, you know, connect to the wall first.
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That's usually when people get knocked out a lot of times, they go stiff.
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You know, he looks like a gingerbread man that just got out of San Quentin.
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But he was super cool about it, and he's still hit me up since then.
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So, is that like your, it's almost like that's your vagina.
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Like, if somebody drops in on your ramp, does it kind of have that sort of feel to it?
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Like, is it like all dudes trying to get in there, I feel like?
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It'll be, I would come down every time if you were like, hey, I got like five guys that are all trying to come down and jump in today.
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I mean, there are a handful of people that come, and that's their directive.
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But it's more that people want to come to skate my ramp because they skate there.
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And he's talking, and I just met him, and he's like, yeah, we're talking.
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He got a mini ramp at Liquid Death now, and he could skate.
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But skating a mini ramp and skating his ramp is two different things, two different animals.
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And I'm like, if you're on the deck, you can skate.
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So he's up there hanging out, and then I guess he'd drop in.
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So I see out of the corner of my eye right when he drops in.
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I saw him the other day at Liquid Death, and I was like, dude, that drop in.
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It was like a trick in itself, because he should have died.
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What if the Liquid Death guy drowned, and it was just like-
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I thought you meant, like, drowned in a can of Liquid Death.
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I've thought about it at least probably five, six times, I bet.
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Dude, because I think, because that Segway dude went off that mountain, remember?
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He was stunt, and he bought the Segways, and he bought the company, and then he fucking
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Bro, it's because you don't know enough about the vert, fam.
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You know, you got to drop in different, I think, right?
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But how many dudes are in your DMs be like, hey, let me get up in that ramp, you know?
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But it's like I said, it's mostly people that know how to skate ramps.
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It's not just a big influx of people like, I want to jump in on that thing.
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A couple brothers be like, hey, let me smash, dog.
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Like, you could talk, but then when you go there and stand on the top of it, you know.
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You don't just, you don't let me, you don't let anybody just, no one's going to just go.
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So the YouTube show, these guys do crazy stuff in high definition slow-mo, like really high
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And they came and they wanted to shoot me doing a trick, which we did.
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And then one of the hosts was like, hey, I want to, I want to try this.
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Clearly was not ready for it and took a slam worse than big boy.
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Like his feet missed the board when he went in.
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I think this might be the one where I'm, it's, they did, they did two segments on when
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So are they really wearing those like for a joke or are they serious?
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I've had, I've cleared stronger things out of my throat than these dudes.
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That when we came to check on him, we're like, Oh, dude.
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He was so stunned that his homies said, Hey, did you, uh, Oh yeah, dude.
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I mean, I, yeah, I've shit off way less than this.
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When we walked over to him, it was like, Oh, dude.
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That's the last healthy part of him being like, I'm out of this fucking clown.
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That's the ghost of his manliness flying out of his ass, bro.
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All his heart and courage is in his pants right now.
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He looked like he was pretty scared before he went in.
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Well, it was, you know, the whole thing was supposed to be just my trick.
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And then this became the highlight of the whole day.
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I love how the other dude in the lab coat doesn't even fucking help him, bro.
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You can't dress like a doctor and not do doctor shit a little.
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They need to do a rebuttal or whatever it's called.
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Did anybody ever think you're Daniel Tosh ever?
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When Tom Green's show was big on MTV, people would think I was Tom Green.
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I used to get Tom Brady when I was a little bit younger.
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Yeah, just me or just they don't know who I am.
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I'm just wondering, this is a question for all of you guys, whether you had any superstitions
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that you needed to do before performing, especially early on when there was low stakes.
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Sometimes our anxiety makes us want to be in control and superstitions are a way of controlling
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things in the periphery of uncontrollable situations.
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I used to have, I guess I had little things I did, but like I put all my pads on left side
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And then when I got let go from serious, I decided that all my-
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That all my superstition things obviously didn't fucking work.
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So, cause I wouldn't walk on cracks on the street.
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And then, and then I just decided when I got, when I got fired that I was going to-
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I go underneath fucking, I go underneath ladders and shit.
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I think when you are younger, you do think like maybe things like that matter, like way
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Like I remember I used to swallow on different sides of my mouth for about maybe 15 years,
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It was almost like a way of just like trying to keep the world even so that shit didn't
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Do you guys ever have any good experience with stalkers?
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I feel like both you guys have had at least one.
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I think they stalk me and then I go, hey, you want to get coffee?
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I, in the 80s, in the 80s, there was a girl that paid the front desk to tell her which
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room I was in so that she could get a room next to mine.
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She did knock on my door one time and then, like, it was sometime through the weekend.
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She knocked on my door and then she did come in for a little bit.
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But all of a sudden, this slamming on the door came and I guess it was her boyfriend-
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That knew the whole scoop of what she was up to.
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I'm just, I'm just like, I didn't even know that this girl had already done this.
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And then the next day, I'm getting in the elevator and the dude, I didn't know it was
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He gets in the elevator and he looks at me and he's got a cast on.
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And he's like, sorry about slamming on your door last night.
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Because girls will try and sleep with me and usually they just can and it's fine.
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But one time at Alice Mania, they had this fight called the strip fight where every 30
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seconds, we decide who won the 30 seconds and the person that loses takes an item of clothing
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off until they're down to a G-string in pasties.
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So I just go, regardless, I go, you lost, you lost, you lost, you lost.
00:40:00.560
So then they fight and that's kind of the thing.
00:40:02.500
So one of the people, you know, DM me that I get fighters, you're not allowed to know
00:40:12.540
And I go, I'll hook you up in a fight where you get a real fight, but you're not going to
00:40:18.080
Joe Rogan might disagree, but it's a couple of shots.
00:40:20.940
And if you look like you're in trouble, we just call it.
00:40:33.020
She's got a, what I assume is a boyfriend, but it's like everyone has this, you're allowed
00:40:39.000
to bring a coach or whatever, or just a plus one.
00:40:42.660
She's got a man over there helping out, a little leader.
00:40:44.920
So there's an after party and I got this big room with all this bullshit at the Hard Rock
00:40:49.120
and she's hanging out and she's asking if she can sleep with me.
00:40:56.540
And I go, well, Katie, my wife, I go, she wants to sleep with me.
00:41:10.720
And then she's hanging out and I look at him and I'm like, he is obviously bummed.
00:41:19.160
He's like, yeah, you know, she's just, you know, been going out with each other for like
00:41:27.500
I'm like, but you're, I'm like, I'm so out of this.
00:41:32.740
Get him a little gift certificate or something.
00:41:35.680
But yeah, every now and then somebody just tries to.
00:41:41.020
Cause some of my friends always get stalkers and I'm like, damn, I can't get, I think
00:41:46.520
If you're good at, if you do good sex, then I think you get a stalker, you know?
00:41:51.000
You mean somebody you've already had sex with and it was so good that they just keep.
00:41:55.260
I feel like that's the only way it would make sense.
00:41:57.440
Like if you kind of are okay at sex, I don't think anybody, you know, smashing through your
00:42:06.900
Yeah, stalkers are, I think they're a little more mentally unstable and it's not.
00:42:14.480
Well, a lot of times they think that whatever, whatever art you're doing, whatever, whatever
00:42:19.420
content you're creating is speaking directly to them.
00:42:22.480
I mean, that, that seems like the more scary stalker, not, Hey, I like you and I'm trying
00:42:29.740
I, I, I, well, I guess I had a girl who left her vax card on my window and it says she wrote
00:42:36.780
Charlotte was her name, but I never had any, but like my friends get the girls, they're
00:42:41.020
jumping over the fence or yelling, they're throwing stuff through the windows.
00:42:44.240
They're showing up at their, I feel like you're talking about groupies, not stalkers.
00:42:48.400
These are the ones they've had to call the cops.
00:42:52.480
So really, but I think they got to be sexually motivated.
00:42:55.980
I don't think anybody's fucking smashing through your living room window to fucking come watch
00:43:03.260
Like, I think you got to have like a real, you got to have fused them up with some cop.
00:43:10.460
Cause now I feel like any guy that's like a super fan kind of wants to have sex with
00:43:16.720
It feels like a lot of, Oh, some fans would let you, would let you have sex with their males
00:43:24.300
Cause I always said, if let's say if I wasn't a part gay, I would, I would like blow David
00:43:36.500
Would you act out blowing him even though he's deceased?
00:43:43.340
I feel like kissing people and sucking dick is a gay look.
00:43:51.120
You know the dude who is standing on the ramp just like this for a while?
00:43:57.200
We're just trying not to freaking shit our pants in a minute.
00:44:01.780
Um, what else was something fun that I want to ask you guys?
00:44:06.080
Here's a beautiful question right here by some hard young male.
00:44:17.320
You know, I've been listening to you since I was a little kid in the back of my mom's Honda
00:44:20.820
Civic ever since the days of your beef with LL Cool J.
00:44:26.420
But Jason, I was wondering, you know, someone who's grown up around with a family with a lot
00:44:30.140
of addiction, you know, I, uh, I was curious cause you're now very open about your sexuality
00:44:35.980
And I've always wondered, you know, do you think that, that, that drugs were more of an
00:44:39.460
opportunity for you to unlock something that was always inside of you?
00:44:42.920
Or do you feel like, you know, kind of the extremes of your sexuality have been part of
00:44:47.940
lusting after a different high and without drugs, do you think that you'd be the same
00:44:55.200
Or do you think that was always kind of a part of you?
00:45:11.340
When I did drugs, it helped me, uh, do things that I was scared to do for sure.
00:45:16.960
When it came to that, you think there's a man, cause a lot of drug, drug induced homosexuality
00:45:27.060
You just like did like eight molly pills and you'll let anybody blow you.
00:45:33.960
Cause a lot of, you'd see a lot of gay men meet up behind the rest area in our town and
00:45:38.080
they would do drugs and then get involved in the sexual activity behind the rest area.
00:45:44.180
And people would actually shoot these potato guns at them.
00:45:50.540
And these two guys across the river would, you know, not if they were not, it doesn't
00:45:53.780
sound like the spot to go just to break them up.
00:45:58.120
It was all warning shots, but, um, it was like, yeah.
00:46:01.320
Cause I guess they were just alarmed if there was like drug induced homosexuality.
00:46:07.220
I mean, people potty, man, but yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00:46:09.820
Or maybe they're just trying to be uninhibited.
00:46:12.680
Just trying to, you know, get, get away from their inhibitions and just like, oh, straight
00:46:20.600
That was a different time when that was going on.
00:46:22.480
But now, yeah, I think like, yeah, cause drugs will just make you a little more brave.
00:46:28.540
And especially if you're really clowned out, dude, you'll fucking, you'll try and eat your
00:46:35.460
My uncle used to tell us, go look in your ass, bro.
00:46:38.800
And when we, we'd fucking be gone for like 40 minutes, dude, trying to look at our own
00:46:45.020
I remember the first time I shaved my ass and it was like trying to find my hole in the
00:46:49.300
And I was like, I was like, wow, I feel slightly like less confident in myself by looking at
00:46:57.220
But eventually you get, you know, cause that's, that's your ass.
00:47:04.480
See, I, see, I think it, I think it does at first, but for me, cause at first I felt
00:47:31.440
When there was only one set of footsteps in the sand that was really, your asshole wasn't
00:47:41.840
Oh, did you guys used to do demos and stuff like that when y'all were coming up?
00:47:45.140
Like when you guys were, did you guys ever go to demos at different shops?
00:47:54.660
Like, was it, at that time, did you guys, were you guys already kind of like popular
00:47:59.520
Was it like, was it pretty, yeah, just what was that like, I guess?
00:48:05.340
So, I've done them where no one knew about skating, cared about skating, and then they
00:48:10.760
put a half pipe up in a parking lot, and people are just like, what the hell is that thing?
00:48:14.620
And then done it where it was wild, and thousands of people, and stadium shit.
00:48:20.900
Yeah, stadium type stuff, and then when things kind of went south again, especially in the
00:48:26.300
early 90s, we were doing demos in parking lots of skate shops or sporting goods stores,
00:48:40.780
And then, you know, 50 people are watching, and we're trying to get, we're trying to get
00:48:46.320
like 300 bucks from the shops so that we can get a hotel room and get an open mic.
00:48:51.520
It's almost like open mics are comedy, kind of.
00:48:54.080
Yeah, but we were on tour, so we did have to survive.
00:48:58.660
As a guy that's trying to do stand-up, it is way, it's way harder mentally, like skateboarding,
00:49:05.180
even when you're, because I've sucked at skateboarding and been in a demo in a contest.
00:49:09.000
I know what it's like to be the shit guy on the ramp.
00:49:14.020
I don't give a shit if everyone came just to see me.
00:49:19.780
I can talk in front of thousands of people, but stand-up, I've never been more nervous in
00:49:26.740
That's why I'm attracted to it, because I'm trying to figure out what that is.
00:49:30.460
I had the greatest, I'm only done a little bit, but I did a set with Ryan Sickler, and
00:49:34.900
it was 500 people in a proper place, and I'm like, I'd never done a proper place.
00:49:39.660
And right before I went out, I was like, note to self, my knee is shaking.
00:49:48.000
I was like, I think I am, but I might be getting hypothermia.
00:49:50.460
And I'm like, everyone else has got a t-shirt on.
00:49:54.140
And I'm like, after I was done, I was like, yeah, cool.
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Because, yeah, what are those different nerves?
00:53:53.080
Like the nerves of going, like does it feel different?
00:53:56.180
I'm just trying to think while I'm talking about it.
00:53:57.320
Well, it's nerves of pain because if you don't do the trick right,
00:54:03.720
That's a nerve I have if I'm on a skateboarding rink.
00:54:05.600
But if we go do demos, there are things that we know we're capable of
00:54:09.480
that are tried and true, that are like sort of playing the hits.
00:54:13.580
So we're going to go there and be like, all right,
00:54:17.380
and people are going to think I'm good at skateboarding,
00:54:20.720
But when he's doing something new like comedy, he doesn't know.
00:54:26.560
But is there something that you get nervous at that like –
00:54:30.980
I'm just trying to equate like if I'm on a skateboard ramp,
00:54:34.960
I get real scared of heights being higher than I should be for myself.
00:54:39.560
And so that fear gets – I feel like it's in my stomach more and in my body.
00:54:48.480
Whereas if I'm going out to do comedy or doing something like –
00:54:59.660
I feel like a lot of my fear from there comes in.
00:55:05.820
Yeah, I think I was – yeah, I was definitely nervous.
00:55:08.040
Okay, so was there a period of time where every time before you went up,
00:55:15.120
But there are still times when I go in front of a crowd
00:55:21.100
And I am so nervous because I don't have the confidence that maybe it's my ramp
00:55:25.540
or because the crowd's way bigger and louder than I imagined.
00:55:29.580
And all of a sudden, my body won't work the way that it should.
00:55:35.180
And I'm bailing stuff that I can do in my sleep.
00:55:38.620
And that's when I have to reassess and try to do even exercises where it's like,
00:55:47.020
See, his demo is different than – because I've done demos with him.
00:55:50.620
And there's 20 of us sometimes, all like the best dudes in the world.
00:55:58.600
4,500 people are looking at everything he does.
00:56:03.720
You know, like he'll drop in and it's like, ooh, you feel –
00:56:08.520
Because I'm there and it's like, oh, that guy, Tony Hawk's friends, all right?
00:56:18.540
But I guess sometimes that gets the best of me.
00:56:26.460
I've never done a demo where I felt like I couldn't figure it out the whole time.
00:56:36.900
was there a part in your career where your ego started to get big?
00:56:41.160
Like I've noticed that in my own life at times where your ego –
00:56:43.600
because it's kind of like this plant that gets watered by –
00:56:54.660
when all of a sudden we were thrust into stardom
00:56:58.940
and in a thing that we never imagined we'd be famous at
00:57:04.680
And then all of a sudden we're traveling the world and there's crowds
00:57:10.060
when you're at such an impressionable formative age.
00:57:13.600
So when I'm, like, 18, 19, traveling the world, thousands of people,
00:57:17.720
autographs, you know, parties, girls, everything,
00:57:20.920
and it was just like at some point I think that I took it for granted
00:57:27.600
And then it was all taken away from me because skating died.
00:57:31.340
And now that I get to live through another wave of success,
00:57:38.440
And I'm just so thankful that I even get paid to do it at all.
00:57:44.940
When, like, with ego, do you think it, like –
00:57:48.840
do you think it's just something that happens to people?
00:57:51.140
Because that's an interesting experience that you've had
00:57:52.880
where you got to, like – you know, you just got to have, you know,
00:57:57.880
I feel like the people who have the worst egos are the ones that get into it
00:58:04.420
They get into it for fame or fortune, and then when they finally get it,
00:58:10.640
And maybe that'll last for a little bit, but at some point, people are over you.
00:58:15.840
If you're walking around, like, you deserve all of it.
00:58:19.360
It was a secret plan to be an asshole the whole time.
00:58:24.540
Because some people are just like, I knew you before you were that.
00:58:28.960
And now we're still on the same fucking planet, dude, with the same skin on,
00:58:33.800
and you're acting like all of a sudden you're made of fucking diamonds.
00:58:37.120
But you do see those same people lose their motivation,
00:58:43.740
Because it was never there probably to begin with in some sense.
00:58:46.300
Or it was there, but the motivation was just to get to this point of celebrity.
00:58:51.920
And when they get to that point, they're not motivated to get better,
00:58:57.440
And so in my case, I just want to keep getting better at skating.
00:59:02.840
Just because it's like that kind of stuff can happen.
00:59:04.740
And it's like sometimes I think it happens, and people don't realize it until years later.
00:59:09.540
If you realize it at the time, you'd probably stop.
00:59:13.960
Like if you're being an egotistical shithead, and you're not appreciating where you are,
00:59:18.660
and you realize it right there and then, then hopefully you would stop
00:59:22.680
or get on the right track or try to get on the right track.
00:59:30.200
Not as famous as him, but famous enough to be an asshole and fly around the world
00:59:36.520
I wasn't like on purpose mean, but I was definitely like not appreciative of the people
01:00:00.440
And then I'm straight back into that thing, running everybody.
01:00:05.460
And then I had to, you know, go to, that's when I started going to therapy and shit.
01:00:11.000
Like I could be the boss of a show, but nobody would date me.
01:00:17.380
Nobody will date you because you, what do you snap on people or something?
01:00:20.400
I just have trouble like with commitment and stuff like that.
01:00:22.920
Like I've just been, and I've just been, I've just had so much anger and I don't
01:00:37.340
I was like, I have everything that I'd ever want.
01:00:39.200
Like you're on fire and all you do is fucking talk about dicks and then you go home and
01:00:52.640
And you're just, or, you know, man, I really just want to listen to some dark metal by
01:01:01.000
Oh, I'll go get those chickens at the store and just take them apart.
01:01:15.860
I'll put on some Elliot Smith or some sad music and just fucking carve that bitch up.
01:01:22.180
I'll have a little sometimes, but sometimes it's more for the sport of it, honestly.
01:01:38.760
I've never heard of someone pulling apart chickens.
01:01:40.500
It's not a good, I feel like you could do better.
01:01:43.660
Yeah, it's an inner, I think when you're in a city and you don't have, you know, it's
01:01:47.280
like more of a, you know, it's, if you're in outside, you know, you're out, there's
01:01:52.960
a place where you could go do something and get a good, you know, do a weapon or something
01:02:09.880
You could bring a jujitsu guy and mats and roll every day in your room, but that is ridiculous.
01:02:22.380
He can act like it, but he's fucking funny too.
01:02:30.540
Based on the reaction of my kids that I was doing your show, you got something.
01:02:37.240
Your kids have obviously been misled by a prominent male in their life.
01:02:53.220
But my oldest son, Riley, said, you're doing the Yvonne, and then sent me a photo of the
01:03:04.100
So you at least made some royalties off that purchase.
01:03:18.400
Yeah, I just would never want to be rich, dude.
01:03:23.600
Being some rich guy, I'm going to get a briefcase.
01:03:38.220
So do you give your money to charity or something?
01:03:42.560
But yeah, I mean, I guess maybe I'll have some money, but I'll hopefully never be rich, like,
01:03:51.120
So I think I have some issues with it, probably, you know?
01:04:01.620
Here's a question right here from some white...
01:04:02.860
I thought there was going to be something on the end of that.
01:04:13.380
And I'm a big fan of both of you, but I have a question for Tony.
01:04:17.140
Back in 1999, you landed the 900 on the halfpipe.
01:04:22.360
I don't know if it's the only one that's been landed, but regardless of all that, the post-interview,
01:04:31.140
My question is, is there a trick that surpassed the 900 after that, or is that still the best
01:04:39.060
And Theo, a couple days ago, I've been rocking the mullet.
01:04:44.640
I've been getting my mom to cut my hair for my whole life, but that's the first professional
01:04:59.100
To answer his question, yes, but well, after I did 900 at the X Games, then a few other
01:05:05.300
people learned it within the same year, and then Tom Scharr did a 1080 about 10 years later.
01:05:21.500
What I went through with 900s, and even after I made it, and some of the slams I took, after
01:05:28.340
I could do it, knowing that I'd have to try to spin another rotation, nah.
01:05:34.420
And then, let's see, 1080, then Mitchie Brusca did a 1080, then Mitchie Brusca went on to do
01:06:02.380
But also, that thing sometimes comes back to bite me.
01:06:06.180
It was saying it was the greatest day of my life.
01:06:10.420
It's supposed to be when your kids are born, right?
01:06:13.140
Yeah, well, also, my wife at the time and our newborn was right there.
01:06:23.820
But also, I tried to defend it, which was not a good idea, too.
01:06:29.000
I meant to say it's the greatest day of my career, or the greatest day of my skating career.
01:06:33.540
But also, there was a part of me that was like, well, you know what?
01:06:39.420
I haven't been trying to have kids for 10 years.
01:06:44.980
It was one of the greatest days for skateboarding's life.
01:06:49.580
Well, I heard about it, and I didn't know anything about skateboarding.
01:06:53.360
I could tell when he did it that people that didn't skate were like, this is a big deal.
01:07:00.380
Yeah, I mean, when I learned 720s, it was in 1985 on a backyard ramp in Stockholm, Sweden.
01:07:13.700
Yeah, but then that shit flew around the world, because there was no internet, but I heard
01:07:19.600
Yeah, but you were also in the community, in the very small community of skateboarding.
01:07:25.900
But that one, because it was on ESPN, and because they showed it live, it just kind of went viral.
01:07:32.620
And also, yeah, I mean, the video game, too, when that popped, I mean, it was like, that
01:07:35.800
video game was almost like, it was almost like a TikTok video now.
01:07:38.860
Like, everybody can make a video game in 30 seconds on their phone, you know?
01:07:41.860
It's like, but back then, there was only a few videos that got, there was like, you know,
01:07:46.380
so a video game was almost just like a YouTube video now, in a way, you know?
01:07:50.780
It was like a way to see something different, you know?
01:07:53.800
There wasn't that many, there was television, movie, or video game.
01:07:58.720
It's like the hip-hop era, the gold, what is it, the gold era, where it's like, if you're
01:08:04.820
a hip-hop, if you're a big hip-hop artist in the late 80s, 90s, then you're still a hip-hop
01:08:12.620
It's very hard to be from another generation and still be solid.
01:08:17.720
Like, he, with the video game, it's a video game that's, because there's games that were
01:08:29.580
Tony Hawk's video game seems like my kid doesn't, he knows what's cool.
01:08:35.000
That's usually the first thing people say to me now who grew up, you know, knowing my
01:08:49.860
I just, I went to a restaurant before I got here, and when I got in my car, this dude, like,
01:08:54.540
jumped out of his car, stopped his car, jumped out, he was like, yo, man!
01:08:59.880
He saw my skateboard in the trunk, yeah, and he's like, he's like, let me get a clip!
01:09:04.140
And so I grabbed the skateboard and went down to the parking garage.
01:09:06.980
I did, because I was going to the restaurant, and I was going to skate there anyway, but
01:09:10.320
I was just like, yeah, catch me as I'm leaving.
01:09:14.440
Do, uh, what, um, was there any product you guys ever pushed that was kind of crazy?
01:09:19.260
Like, was there ever a product that got presented to you guys that was, like, kind of bananas?
01:09:27.280
Like, Kid Rock, Kid Rock tells this story about, like, he got involved with this company called
01:09:33.680
And so he, like, made, like, a meal, like, and I'm paraphrasing.
01:09:39.900
But the second batch of it was fucking horrible.
01:09:46.740
Which was, that was not the best move, I don't think, but...
01:09:51.120
Everybody was like, this fucking beer is, is, is, is shit, you know?
01:09:56.700
I worked with a company that, that I didn't realize, it was in the 80s, that I didn't realize
01:10:08.920
And, uh, they just started making products with my name on it.
01:10:11.860
And I finally came to them and was like, you guys, this...
01:10:26.220
With, um, basically they stole the Vision Streetwear logo and it just said Tony Hawk gear.
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Yeah, and I just said, you guys, this is Vision Streetwear.
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And they're like, yeah, well, it's, the Tri Bar logos are hot right now.
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So it looks like I'm ripping off Vision Streetwear and I'm a skate, I'm a skater.
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They're a skate brand, like, and I don't ride for them.
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And while I was talking to this dude, this is a true story.
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While I was talking to this dude, behind him on his shelf is a roll of toilet paper with
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And he goes, he goes, oh, that, oh, that's one of our, one of our retailers said, uh,
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said, uh, yeah, man, we'll take whatever you got with Tony Hawk's name.
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You can put toilet paper on there and it'll sell.
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And I had, I actually paid to get out of my contract.
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You should keep that in your, uh, in your glove box.
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And one time they had this thing, it was like hard, it was like kind of hard condoms
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And it was like, it was condoms were already a little harder than regular.
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It was like called Chance condoms or something.
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It was like, we'll meet you halfway or something was their thing.
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We did it for a couple of, yeah, we did it for like four, like maybe four, uh, ad reads
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You guys must have the most insane search history.
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I'm gonna have to get a hold of some if we still have any at the, at the other place, man.
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Uh, we denied some stuff, like some sexual stuff, alcohol we don't do.
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Uh, I don't know if there's been anything else.
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I've seen a lot of merch, people come to my show and I'm like, oh, and I'm like, I've never,
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I, I, I denied a tour, there was a tour that went, went on, you probably heard about it
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in Malaysia, where it was like an extreme sports tour.
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And it was, uh, it was skateboarding and BMX and maybe inlining?
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Um, and it was at a time when there was not, it was before X Games were, were big.
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And the whole tour was sponsored by Benson and Hedges.
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There were some skaters that went that were like sober skaters, you know, smoking, didn't
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smoke, didn't drink and went to, and did the tour sponsored by Benson and Hedges.
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I was like, you guys, how could, and they started smoking probably.
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I was like, I don't want to go to a, I don't want to have a sponsored, yeah, a tobacco
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And it was going to be, uh, it was going to be 18 and over too, because it's sponsored
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So I was like, so there's always kids can't see a skate.
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So I, I did not, and whatever, I'm not trying to say I'm holier than thou.
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But the irony about all of that was it was right at the time when all those crazy fires
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And so the second half of the tour got canceled because of smoke.
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I mean, sorry, but I saw a thick sister fight a monkey for a bag of chips in Malaysia one
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We went and they, I got to go later on and they come and steal your food.
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And this, these motherfuckers came through, son.
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Who shows up to that area with a big bag of ruffles?
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I went with Riley and Riley and I were, there was this area where all these monkeys are known
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I got a photo of one of them giving me like a, a look like he's going to bite me.
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Were you, did you ever go in the room during childbirth?
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My dad said he went and watched, looked at cars when I was getting born.
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But he also said that, you know, your mom got pregnant and, you know, I thought about
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So it wasn't, it was a different, different time.
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That's like, uh, unless you're divorced or in the middle of divorce, you're getting big,
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I'm wondering if it's the same type of nerves if you get, if you're dropping in on a big
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I feel like if you had more than one, then it's less scary.
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And if you have more than one, it happens real fast.
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One time when she was real angry, she pulled her shirt up because she had, like, stretch
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Because apparently I was 11 pounds and I was a lazy baby.
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And they're, like, trying to grab on my big fat leg.
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Dude, I saw, I was in New York one time and somebody jumped off a building, right, and
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And so I was just kind of meandering around just kind of seeing what was going on.
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And then she pulled up her dress, right, and said that the guy jumped off the building
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Seemed like she just wanted to show you her pussy.
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Once again, the old caught a guy in my vagina trick.
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We got one or two more questions, man, and then we'll get y'all on your way.
01:17:58.800
Since you were a pro fighter, what would be, who's a pro fighter of yours, either past
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or present time, that you wish you shared the ring with?
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I don't think it's a good idea that everybody I think who's really cool in fighting that
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I would share the, every time I share the ring with someone who I think is really cool
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So, cause it's like the full experience of what's it like to spar with like Keith Jardine?
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And I don't want Keith Jardine to not punch me.
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So yeah, I've done that with a few of those people, but to fight, fight with one of those
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I don't want to die, you know, like I fight cause it's fun, but I don't want to like have
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And I feel like that's what would happen if it was all the people that I think is, is
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really, I sparred Dominic Cruz once before a fight and he like really, he like, uh,
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Like he caught me really good cause he's obviously a thousand times better.
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And he caught me and I got staggered and I kept fighting.
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And then afterwards he said to me, uh, you know, when I rocked you there and you kept
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going, that's all you're going to need for this fight.
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Cause you showed me the thing that I was, the only question that I had is what, what
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And I thought you actually knew you were going to concuss me and to see how I was going
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I appreciate the help, but it was also like, you guys are insane.
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And I'm only, when he said pro fighter, I'm not a pro fighter.
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I've had a, I've had a couple of pro fights, but I'm not a pro fighter.
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That's why I don't need to say the idea that he did hit you and you go down and like, nah,
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Was he going to tell me that when I woke up or something or, yeah, I don't know how that
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I guess that would, that'd be a sign in itself.
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We got one more question that came in right here, actually.
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Tony, I know you put out a board that had your blood in the paint.
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I was wondering if you're going to be putting out any other products with your blood in it.
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And Jason, if you could put out a product with your blood in it, what product would you
01:20:32.620
No, but actually that, that all happened with Liquid Death.
01:20:35.960
And the reason it happened was because they were talking about doing some sort of unique
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And Kiss did that in comic books, in Marvel comics.
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They, they made a Kiss comic book and all the members of the band put their blood into
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And I thought that was one of the coolest things ever.
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And so there's people that are saying like, it's satanic and whatever.
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Or I somehow was copying Lil Nas X, but I didn't even know about his thing when I did
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And then when we went to do it, it caused a big ruckus because, well, for one, some people
01:21:20.480
And then other people thought that it was a copy of Lil Nas X and then, well, people
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Well, you're saying it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I'm just saying that was, that was my motivation.
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Would you go play as you throw something in there?
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I'm about to like shoot blood loads into meat pies and tacos.
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I feel like signature Jason Ellis meat pies with a little bit of blood come in there.
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Cause you gotta get edgy, you know, like, what am I going to do?
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Some like blood, like a bumper bar for trucks with my blood on it.
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It was hard to find, um, a, uh, skateboard screening company that would do it.
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Well, some people thought what it was, uh, Satan or something.
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But, but the, the company is like the screening companies.
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They just were like, I'm not, I'm not going to deal with blood.
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Like during the time of COVID, just like, yeah, here's some plasma.
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Cause you only have a certain amount of blood in you.
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You know, what's weird is how, when you lose some blood that you make more blood inside.
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Who else is going to stay up on ice and make your blood?
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Hey, well, whatever you want to call him, dude.
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I know he has a fucking couple of screen names.
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I'm just saying, he hasn't got a beard or shit.
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He's more of a big, really giant, jacked, bald guy.
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Look, his IG handle could be Prometheus for sure.
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What kind of guests are you guys going to have on?
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I want to come back on and be a guest sometime if you want to guess.
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I'll wear a glove if it makes it more headdrawer.
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Yeah, you guys have had a couple skateboarders.
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We had Poopies, who's the newest Jackass member.
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But he's kind of the godfather of modern skateboarding.
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it's the most insane story of any human in life.
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because Rodney does not do very many interviews at all.
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I'm really excited to see what you guys do with it.
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And as always, I'll be joined by the voices in my head
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