Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 02, 2026


Civilians Killed, 2 Cops SHOT IN Minneapolis, MOTIVE UNKNOWN | Timcast IRL


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00:02:32.000 At least one civilian has been killed.
00:02:34.000 Two cops have been injured.
00:02:37.000 They've been shot.
00:02:37.000 Six people have been shot in Minneapolis.
00:02:39.000 We don't yet know the motive, but we are getting details.
00:02:43.000 The story is breaking right now.
00:02:44.000 We also had a shooting in Virginia.
00:02:46.000 During the reporting of this shooting in Minneapolis, some smiley guy walks up and throws up gang signs behind the camera, which has got some people tweeting to think it might have been gang related, but that could just be a guy going up to the camera.
00:02:58.000 So we don't know for sure.
00:03:00.000 We will be covering this.
00:03:01.000 And of course, we will talk about.
00:03:04.000 What's going on with the war right now?
00:03:06.000 We mentioned this last night.
00:03:07.000 We never got into it.
00:03:08.000 But is Vladimir Putin stating that they will be supplying the Iranians with weapons and supporting them while rallying other countries to stand up to the United States?
00:03:16.000 The reason I bring this up now, even though it's kind of yesterday's news, is that the Washington Post published a story through their Ripple, whatever that's called.
00:03:23.000 It's WashingtonPost.com, suggesting we bring back the military draft, saying we need it right at a time when there are questions about the U.S.'s ability to win this war in Iran.
00:03:23.000 I don't know.
00:03:34.000 And then, of course, the Lindsey Clancy trial.
00:03:36.000 The jury is deadlocked again.
00:03:38.000 This is it.
00:03:40.000 If it happens one more time, it is a mistrial.
00:03:42.000 We don't know what's going to happen, but we do have new information on a woman named Dawn Light.
00:03:48.000 That's actually her name, if you believe it or not.
00:03:51.000 Being charged with a felony because she was trying to secretly take photos and videos, I believe, of the jurors outside the court.
00:03:59.000 This is how absolutely insane it is getting.
00:04:01.000 We're going to talk about this and so much more.
00:04:03.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Kato Kalin.
00:04:07.000 I can't believe I'm here.
00:04:08.000 This is great.
00:04:09.000 You know, the intro, I have a question for you quick.
00:04:11.000 Do you think Somalians.
00:04:12.000 Are giving sommeliers a bad name.
00:04:14.000 Yes.
00:04:15.000 I always thought that.
00:04:16.000 I don't want to say that.
00:04:17.000 People have a grammar.
00:04:18.000 I don't want that.
00:04:19.000 I want a sommelier pouring me the wine.
00:04:22.000 That's what he's me.
00:04:23.000 Can you hear me better with these on or with these, Tim?
00:04:26.000 Same thing, right?
00:04:27.000 Okay, I'll put these on.
00:04:27.000 Yeah.
00:04:28.000 Much smarter.
00:04:29.000 Whichever one.
00:04:30.000 I think everybody knows who you are.
00:04:32.000 Do you need to introduce yourself?
00:04:33.000 Oh, I'm Cato Kalen.
00:04:35.000 I guess.
00:04:36.000 Yes, I'm Cato.
00:04:37.000 World's most famous guest.
00:04:38.000 I've got to say, it was on fire in the green room.
00:04:42.000 Probably like 16 year olds watching that have no idea, but you were at OJ Simpson's house when.
00:04:47.000 Literally, when the murder took place?
00:04:48.000 Is that what?
00:04:49.000 Or when the killing happened?
00:04:51.000 I'm in the guest house, and back then it was in cell phones.
00:04:55.000 Phone records are the most important thing.
00:04:56.000 The timeline.
00:04:57.000 I'm probably the most important person because of a timeline of proving, probably, that OJ was at Nicole's Bundy house.
00:05:07.000 Now, that is a.
00:05:08.000 We don't know.
00:05:10.000 No, so many theories are out there.
00:05:11.000 There's even a new show coming out with a whole theory of someone else coming out.
00:05:15.000 Well, certainly, this puts you on the map.
00:05:17.000 But you do things, you're an actor.
00:05:21.000 A personality?
00:05:23.000 Tim, I am an actor.
00:05:24.000 Thank you.
00:05:26.000 I could do, I was thinking about that with Ian.
00:05:29.000 I too can do a finger in a cow.
00:05:31.000 Mouth.
00:05:32.000 Mouth.
00:05:33.000 Do it.
00:05:33.000 In Wisconsin, it's normal.
00:05:34.000 Yes, I've been around forever.
00:05:37.000 I've had my Screen Actors Guild after card for over 45 years.
00:05:41.000 I've been around a long time.
00:05:41.000 Wow.
00:05:43.000 I'm not even 45 years old.
00:05:44.000 See, it's amazing, too.
00:05:46.000 And it's that exactly, but that's the reason it, because there's so many different documentaries, so many things have been OJ that it's educated so many people.
00:05:53.000 The Ryan Murphy show.
00:05:56.000 Brought me back, kind of like people.
00:05:58.000 Billy Mags and played me, who also was in No Time to Die, the Bond film.
00:06:03.000 So they keep, and it won like eight Emmys.
00:06:06.000 So all these things educate the younger people to know the OJ.
00:06:10.000 It won the Oscar for Best Documentary.
00:06:13.000 So I read for Dumb and Dumber.
00:06:15.000 That was the whole thing.
00:06:16.000 The week before these murders happened, Aaron Meyerson, a friend of mine, was the producer.
00:06:21.000 He gave me the script for Dumb and Dumber.
00:06:23.000 I read for this movie back in 1994.
00:06:26.000 Brought back in by Rick Montgomery, the director.
00:06:29.000 He does all the casting for the Fairley brothers.
00:06:33.000 And my life stopped from that moment, that week, one week, and then the week the murders happened.
00:06:39.000 And then I was in a preliminary trial, and my life basically stopped.
00:06:42.000 You know, this is actually really good timing.
00:06:44.000 The Lindsey Clancy trial has been called by some the OJ Simpson for women, with the way it's divided.
00:06:51.000 OJ.
00:06:52.000 The what?
00:06:52.000 Ho J Simpson.
00:06:53.000 Ho J Simpson.
00:06:54.000 OJ.
00:06:55.000 Not all women.
00:06:56.000 Not all women, too.
00:06:57.000 No, but people are, there's a lot of commentary talking about how this case is, it's obviously not identical, but it is culturally significant in a way that it's divided people based on identity.
00:07:08.000 But let's, we'll get into it.
00:07:09.000 So, Cato, it's great to have you.
00:07:11.000 Yeah, it's so good to be here.
00:07:11.000 Thanks so much and meeting everybody here.
00:07:13.000 And God, it's just so much.
00:07:15.000 I live in LA, but my God, it's kind of, I think it's cooler here.
00:07:18.000 Oh, yeah.
00:07:19.000 I think it's cooler here.
00:07:20.000 It's just, Libby's hanging out.
00:07:21.000 Libby Edmonds is here.
00:07:22.000 I love her.
00:07:23.000 My goodness.
00:07:24.000 I was just, it's so funny when she walked in the room, I just got on the Instagram and said, oh, Libby Falls.
00:07:29.000 I was like, good.
00:07:30.000 And she walked in.
00:07:30.000 I was like, this is.
00:07:31.000 I'm not.
00:07:32.000 That just happened.
00:07:33.000 That just happened.
00:07:33.000 Am I right?
00:07:34.000 It was like so very cool.
00:07:35.000 That was the sequence of events.
00:07:36.000 I'm a fan.
00:07:37.000 Yeah.
00:07:38.000 So I'm Libby Emmons.
00:07:38.000 Yeah.
00:07:39.000 I'm glad to be here with all of you guys tonight.
00:07:41.000 Really stoked to get into it.
00:07:42.000 We got the boys hanging out.
00:07:43.000 Kato, you look like 50 years.
00:07:45.000 Are you 60 something?
00:07:47.000 I am.
00:07:47.000 Dang, nice.
00:07:48.000 Yes, yes.
00:07:49.000 Really?
00:07:50.000 Yes.
00:07:50.000 When I got married, my strippers were from AARP.
00:07:53.000 So it's bad when the strippers got a 38 long bra size.
00:07:57.000 That's great.
00:07:57.000 Yeah.
00:07:57.000 Man, it's a pleasure to have you, dude.
00:08:00.000 Thanks, Carter.
00:08:01.000 Very fun.
00:08:02.000 Phil, what's his name?
00:08:04.000 I was thinking you were closer to my age.
00:08:06.000 I'm in my 50s and you're a little bit older than I thought you were.
00:08:09.000 And you look great, though.
00:08:10.000 Oh, thanks a lot.
00:08:10.000 Yeah.
00:08:11.000 The thing is, honestly, I backed this up and I have nothing against drugs or people who do it.
00:08:17.000 I've never done a drug in my life and I rarely can say that I've been drunk.
00:08:21.000 And I have a beer every now and then.
00:08:22.000 I just never.
00:08:23.000 And I'm from Wisconsin, the brandy beer capital.
00:08:27.000 Drink a lot of water, right?
00:08:28.000 Now that I'm older, I was like, God, I'm kind of glad I didn't drink a lot.
00:08:31.000 And so it made a huge difference.
00:08:32.000 And I used to run marathons.
00:08:34.000 So I did the whole.
00:08:35.000 Thing with health.
00:08:37.000 And like Ian, I had the hair, by the way, thanks to the rental.
00:08:40.000 I had hair like this.
00:08:42.000 And people assume automatically when you have hair like that, I'm sure he's got drugs.
00:08:46.000 Oh, yeah.
00:08:48.000 And maybe you do.
00:08:48.000 I don't know.
00:08:49.000 Yeah, of all the people in the room, I assume Ian too.
00:08:52.000 We're going to go to the news.
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00:10:46.000 Matt Miller's great.
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00:10:48.000 But let's jump into the news.
00:10:50.000 We got this one from the Daily Mail.
00:10:50.000 At least one civilian killed and six people injured.
00:10:53.000 They say Minneapolis police raced to the scene of the shooting near 15 East Grant Street on Wednesday afternoon.
00:10:59.000 Where one officer was shot in the stomach and another was shot in the leg.
00:11:03.000 So currently, this story is currently breaking right now.
00:11:03.000 Seven patients.
00:11:08.000 We don't know the full details, what the motivation was.
00:11:11.000 FBI Director Kash Patel shared on social media that agents are responding to the scene as he vowed to offer any and all resources necessary to assist local authorities.
00:11:19.000 With FBI involvement, this is where things start getting interesting.
00:11:23.000 So we don't know exactly again.
00:11:26.000 But we have this video from The Blaze.
00:11:28.000 Somalian flashes gang signs in the background of a live TV.
00:11:32.000 TV report on the Minneapolis mass shooting.
00:11:34.000 Again, we don't know exactly what's going on, so we will be tracking the news right now.
00:11:39.000 But obviously, there seems to be a perception that there's something bigger and political here.
00:11:44.000 I'm going to stress again, we don't know that.
00:11:47.000 But considering this story popped off to where we all discussed before the show, like this seems to be big.
00:11:52.000 I mean, the FBI is showing up.
00:11:53.000 We got this video.
00:11:55.000 Could this be something politically motivated or at least a shooting that enters the realm of politics, such as, you know, if this was Somali gangs or if it was, you know, Refugee related people are going to utilize this, particularly just before the midterm election, which is two months out.
00:12:14.000 Who is the shooter?
00:12:15.000 We don't know.
00:12:16.000 We don't, it was just a random, and they're still looking for the.
00:12:18.000 Yeah, we don't, I don't think we have any information on who the shooter is.
00:12:21.000 There's just rumors at this point, and we don't know if the shooter is alive or dead or what happened.
00:12:27.000 But, um, yeah, it's interesting to see the news coverage of a shooting before anyone knows how they can fit it into their narrative.
00:12:36.000 Yeah, nice and plain.
00:12:38.000 It's pretty plain.
00:12:39.000 Yeah.
00:12:40.000 Low sodium.
00:12:41.000 And so the shooter, we don't know if the shooter, if he shot two cops, they had to shoot back.
00:12:46.000 So we don't know.
00:12:47.000 And that's what they're, I think you're right.
00:12:48.000 They're waiting for the narrative of who did it.
00:12:51.000 And that's what people, yeah, that's what people want to know.
00:12:53.000 Who hides that shit?
00:12:54.000 Does this fit into the leftist perspective?
00:12:56.000 You know, I mean, you probably have leftists out there right now being like, God, I hope it's a white Christian guy who broke.
00:13:01.000 You know, you have other people being like, I hope it's a trans killer.
00:13:05.000 And you've got other people being like, illegal alien.
00:13:07.000 It's got to be an illegal.
00:13:08.000 You think that phone call comes in from like a Walt saying, don't report on this, that he has so much power?
00:13:13.000 He can't.
00:13:13.000 I don't think he has that much power.
00:13:14.000 So you're saying that the left media, the legacy media, is probably saying.
00:13:18.000 I'm saying we don't have the information yet.
00:13:20.000 But they could do that, possibly.
00:13:22.000 But I think there's enough people on the ground that would tell the truth.
00:13:26.000 A group of thugs seen jumping out of a car before opening fire on people.
00:13:30.000 Looks like we might have.
00:13:31.000 Do we have it now?
00:13:32.000 I'm sorry.
00:13:32.000 No, no, no, no.
00:13:33.000 This is a different video.
00:13:34.000 Wow, it's a different issue.
00:13:35.000 Wow, right?
00:13:36.000 I look at the shooting and I saw somebody post being like, here's the video.
00:13:39.000 And this one's from Missouri.
00:13:40.000 I'm so glad we have so many shootings on my day here.
00:13:42.000 Right?
00:13:43.000 I mean, we're in America, right?
00:13:45.000 So, how many shootings are there?
00:13:46.000 Do cops, though.
00:13:47.000 How many?
00:13:48.000 You know, I have a report on the show.
00:13:49.000 It's amazing.
00:13:50.000 I do this thing called Murder in a Minute show.
00:13:52.000 I have so much content.
00:13:54.000 I have so much, and it's sickening that I have so much content because something happens probably every hour and stuff that will just blow your mind.
00:14:01.000 You're going, are you kidding me?
00:14:02.000 This person was arrested 39 times and released.
00:14:05.000 Everything seems to be released by, I hate to say, but woke left judges.
00:14:09.000 And it's got to stop.
00:14:10.000 Oh, the judges are crazy.
00:14:12.000 It's amazing that they block everything.
00:14:14.000 Yeah.
00:14:15.000 They think that it's their determination as to who is allowed into the country and who gets to stay and who doesn't.
00:14:20.000 The judges think that's up to them, not Congress, not the president, not state.
00:14:24.000 Not to derail into a different topic, but there was a judge in Minnesota named Sarah West that threw out a $7 million unanimous Somali fraud conviction today.
00:14:32.000 The jury was unanimous.
00:14:34.000 Threw it out?
00:14:34.000 And she just threw it out, yeah.
00:14:36.000 CNN, it looks like, is now reporting that the one who is dead is the shooter.
00:14:41.000 Or at least that's what my team is telling me.
00:14:43.000 So I'll check that out.
00:14:46.000 And again, this is the only thing that I'm seeing.
00:14:48.000 I haven't found anything that's actually confirmed, but there's rumors of them having either.
00:14:56.000 Actual machine guns or some kind of like something with a switch or something like that on that with the story of the shooter, right now, yeah, yeah.
00:15:03.000 So, the judge also, I saw the picture of that judge, does it the one that was uh in Minnesota?
00:15:08.000 She looks like she's 20s, yeah, yeah.
00:15:11.000 The judge, yeah, that threw out this conviction.
00:15:11.000 Like, what is this?
00:15:13.000 So, very young looking lady, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so the shooter was dead, the shooter was confirmed dead at the scene, according to two law enforcement officials that spoke with CNN, and at least seven people, including the two cops, were injured.
00:15:28.000 So that is what is known so far.
00:15:30.000 The two officers are in stable condition.
00:15:32.000 With that many people injured, it makes me think that there was a fully automatic gun.
00:15:37.000 Well, I mean, when you look at, let me see if I can pull up some of the images.
00:15:39.000 Because when you look at the images, I think, I'm just trying to make sure I have these right.
00:15:44.000 Just so you know, machine guns are illegal.
00:15:47.000 This does not look like.
00:15:50.000 I mean, I think this is why.
00:15:53.000 It may just be.
00:15:54.000 A lot of cops.
00:15:56.000 It may be because cops were shot, but I think the reason this story popped off is because there's something.
00:16:01.000 Behind it.
00:16:03.000 Yeah.
00:16:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:16:04.000 Like maybe full auto, maybe gang related, maybe refugee, however you want to describe it related.
00:16:09.000 Triple nine.
00:16:11.000 Triple nine?
00:16:12.000 Code for Cop Shot.
00:16:13.000 Oh, is that what it is?
00:16:14.000 Oh, you learn something new every day.
00:16:15.000 Yeah, I didn't know that.
00:16:17.000 Yeah, you're doing a show on murders.
00:16:20.000 Yeah, it's, and I do them, I try to do them all in a minute, but some stories you've got to do the extra minute.
00:16:26.000 But I would say that 90% of them have been an illegal alien that wasn't supposed to be here.
00:16:33.000 That already had crimes in the country they came from.
00:16:35.000 I would say that it's people that had been in jail already and been tossed out by a left judge and put back on the streets.
00:16:42.000 And we've had one of them, the most jarring one recently this last week was a seven year old who was duct taped in a closet by three men that were women, that's supposed to be the father and the mother.
00:16:55.000 Yes, it's a brutal story.
00:16:56.000 Brutal, waterboarded, everything.
00:16:58.000 And he killed him, right?
00:17:00.000 Killed him.
00:17:00.000 And, you know, in this tape, we were able to get all the tape of him with this.
00:17:05.000 Grandparents and he'd said to them, I don't want to go back there.
00:17:08.000 So all the signs are there, and it was just, it's brutal.
00:17:11.000 A seven year old kid.
00:17:13.000 And there's stories like that constantly.
00:17:15.000 You can go online and just find them.
00:17:18.000 So that's murder in a minute.
00:17:19.000 And what I do is I kind of want to have a point of saying that the mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
00:17:26.000 Yes.
00:17:27.000 So I put a face.
00:17:28.000 That's really true.
00:17:29.000 A face on the innocent to these horrific crimes.
00:17:33.000 And I have a gentleman named Tom, maybe he's executive.
00:17:36.000 Producer.
00:17:37.000 He's got 5 million followers and he's genius with editing these things.
00:17:41.000 And it's making a difference because a friend of yours saw it and called me, if I can say his name, Jack Posebic, and he said, This show is amazing.
00:17:50.000 So I'm just kind of getting the word out because it really does make a difference and showing so many innocent lives are being killed by things that should never have happened.
00:18:01.000 There was obviously the Lindsey Clancy case, but this woman in Times Square.
00:18:07.000 With the knives.
00:18:07.000 Yeah.
00:18:08.000 And it's brutal to watch, especially, you know, being a new dad.
00:18:11.000 And this woman, she was a young woman.
00:18:12.000 She just got married.
00:18:14.000 And she just had a baby.
00:18:15.000 She just got back from maternity leave.
00:18:16.000 The Bank of America.
00:18:17.000 And yeah, exactly.
00:18:18.000 And some deranged woman with knives just murders her for no reason in Times Square.
00:18:23.000 Yeah, murders, murdered somebody else too.
00:18:25.000 There was an interesting thing.
00:18:26.000 But actually, I thought that person was in critical condition.
00:18:29.000 Did they survive or?
00:18:30.000 No, I do not know.
00:18:32.000 Well, she killed that young woman, which is insane.
00:18:35.000 And there are leftists that are saying that it's fine because she was a VIP at Bank of America.
00:18:40.000 And there's other people that are saying, yeah, that she was a banker.
00:18:43.000 And then there's other people who are saying the police shouldn't have shot the dabber.
00:18:47.000 Oh, yeah.
00:18:48.000 I mean, they're going off.
00:18:50.000 They're going off on that.
00:18:50.000 Yeah, they're going off on that.
00:18:51.000 And the police tried to negotiate with her for almost five minutes.
00:18:54.000 They used a taser on her, but she was too fat.
00:18:57.000 She was going like this.
00:18:58.000 The tasers didn't work.
00:18:59.000 She was doing the knife spinning it.
00:19:00.000 She'd walk towards them with the knives.
00:19:03.000 The pom pom do that.
00:19:03.000 That's when the cops will.
00:19:05.000 The taser didn't work because she was too fat?
00:19:07.000 Yeah.
00:19:07.000 Really?
00:19:08.000 Yeah.
00:19:09.000 If it doesn't hit the muscle, then it's not going to work.
00:19:11.000 Yes, that's true.
00:19:12.000 I know you said mercy to the guilty is what, like.
00:19:16.000 Yeah, mercy goes cruelty to the innocent.
00:19:17.000 Cruelty to the innocent.
00:19:18.000 But do you think that, like, how brutal should we be on the guilty?
00:19:22.000 You mean in terms of punishment?
00:19:24.000 Yeah.
00:19:25.000 Eye for an eye.
00:19:26.000 I've always said that.
00:19:27.000 I think I'm all for the death penalty as long as it's not too severe.
00:19:32.000 The reason I don't agree with eye for an eye is because sometimes it's too much and sometimes it's not enough.
00:19:37.000 Yeah, like with the Charlie Kirk thing, it feels like it's not enough.
00:19:40.000 Like I was watching the hearing yesterday and the judge did a really incredible job of going through the timeline.
00:19:48.000 You know, everything that they said about the text messages and the surveillance cameras and cell phones and whatever else and all of the different things, he put it like in order.
00:19:59.000 And so, if you listen to him, like go in order.
00:20:01.000 I was listening to that and I was just getting more and more angry.
00:20:04.000 And he bound him over for trial on all seven counts.
00:20:07.000 I went through, you know, how he was, how the prosecution had made their probable cause case on every single count.
00:20:14.000 And I thought, you know, let's say this guy is found guilty.
00:20:19.000 Let's say they, you know, go through several years of appeals and then they do put him to death.
00:20:25.000 Like, that's not, it's not enough for what was taken from us.
00:20:28.000 Right.
00:20:29.000 Okay.
00:20:29.000 So, you were saying is that, so death penalty is not enough because it should be.
00:20:33.000 What's caffeinating more severe?
00:20:35.000 I'm not even pro death penalty, right?
00:20:37.000 But I'm looking at this and I'm like, even if you erase this guy from the world, like, you like it's not enough for what we're saying.
00:20:45.000 YouTube has guidelines that severely limit what we're allowed to say.
00:20:49.000 I was just thinking, no, no, I'm talking about, I'm talking about uh, beyond the idea of going beyond.
00:20:55.000 Personally, I think that when it comes to things like uh, you know, child, if you're hurting children or or what have you, I don't think that the death penalty is severe enough.
00:21:07.000 I think that.
00:21:08.000 That I'm going to stop talking because YouTube is a law writing citizen.
00:21:11.000 This is where religion comes in pretty well.
00:21:15.000 Because you can imagine the kind of torture that would be.
00:21:20.000 Medieval things.
00:21:21.000 Broken on the wall.
00:21:21.000 That's what I'm thinking about.
00:21:23.000 I wish I could.
00:21:24.000 You know, by perhaps.
00:21:26.000 You ever see the one where they have the guy, they have like a metal spike and they grab his arms and legs and pull him down?
00:21:31.000 Yeah.
00:21:32.000 Oh my God.
00:21:33.000 They did.
00:21:33.000 Yeah.
00:21:34.000 There was a medieval drawing, medieval torture devices.
00:21:36.000 There was this Romanian guy that had the right idea.
00:21:39.000 I don't think that's right.
00:21:41.000 You know?
00:21:41.000 Are you talking about Vlad the Impaler?
00:21:43.000 Yeah, Transylvania.
00:21:44.000 I'm pretty sure those things are not real.
00:21:45.000 It was Romanians.
00:21:46.000 It's drawn in ordering.
00:21:47.000 It's part of Romania.
00:21:48.000 Do you think the RAC?
00:21:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:21:49.000 The Romanians would say that, but Vlad was.
00:21:52.000 Do you guys think that we should implement racking for criminal?
00:21:55.000 You know what that is?
00:21:56.000 What about the stock?
00:21:57.000 Put it on the rack?
00:21:58.000 Yeah, it sort of shoots their legs out.
00:22:00.000 Yeah, you have a winch and you crank it and it pulls their arms and legs and rips their joints.
00:22:03.000 I believe for lesser offenses, the stocks are good because it's embarrassing.
00:22:07.000 No one's embarrassed of their stupid behavior anymore.
00:22:10.000 Everyone just owns it now.
00:22:11.000 Everyone's like, what?
00:22:12.000 I did it.
00:22:13.000 I.
00:22:14.000 I can't even think of stupid things, but like, I. People just like do dumb stuff.
00:22:14.000 I don't know.
00:22:20.000 They go around stabbing people.
00:22:22.000 They go around shooting people.
00:22:23.000 Well, okay.
00:22:23.000 Stabbing and shooting.
00:22:24.000 I did these things.
00:22:25.000 Stabbing and shooting, no.
00:22:27.000 But, like, Tim's idea of.
00:22:29.000 The people that go in into, like, a Burger King and tear it all up.
00:22:33.000 Those people should be in stocks.
00:22:34.000 But if that kind of behavior doesn't embarrass you, how would the stocks be?
00:22:38.000 No, because they get attention on the internet.
00:22:39.000 But Tim's idea about, like, how to handle gangbangers in Chicago.
00:22:43.000 Yeah, I'm really wrong.
00:22:45.000 Where, like.
00:22:46.000 No, no.
00:22:47.000 He was talking about, like, making them, like, crawl through Chicago wearing.
00:22:52.000 Oh, yeah, that's a Crazy.
00:22:53.000 Baby bonnets and diapers.
00:22:54.000 Yeah, baby bonnets and diapers, that kind of stuff.
00:22:56.000 That's good for small time stuff.
00:22:58.000 Okay, you guys, okay, there's a story that just happened, I think, last week.
00:23:01.000 The 15 year old kid in Detroit, you see him walking into the, going outside of the convenience store, and an African American woman walks in, and a white woman comes behind her.
00:23:11.000 He just takes the gun and shoots her in the head.
00:23:13.000 Have you seen?
00:23:13.000 Yeah.
00:23:14.000 So that's going to be one of the shows where we're working, we're editing.
00:23:17.000 Just to get it.
00:23:18.000 And so 15, he's going to be tried as an adult, according to what I hear.
00:23:21.000 But once again, Why waste it?
00:23:24.000 It's like, me personally, I don't think this guy can't be saved.
00:23:28.000 Well, I mean, who should?
00:23:30.000 And you take them off the streets not to punish them, but to protect the rest of society, just like you said.
00:23:37.000 Exactly.
00:23:37.000 Mercy to that guy is actually cruelty to the whole rest of society because all of the people that he may injure in the future, that he's actually likely to injure in the future because recidivism is very, very high.
00:23:49.000 If you're 15 years old and you do such a heinous act like that, get him off the streets forever.
00:23:56.000 You know how in the courtrooms, the prosecutors, the defense, they always try to pin a picture.
00:24:00.000 They do a crime like the OG thing.
00:24:02.000 They say, okay, at this night, he had the knife and he did this.
00:24:06.000 I just think they should just, if a prosecution, if they had a new division in courts where they had a film division where you make the actual believable movie to see a jury.
00:24:16.000 So they're being, you know, sometimes you have compassion from people online, on Twitter, or that, like for the Clancy, Lindsey Clancy, I think so many things are said about her.
00:24:26.000 People watching on Instagram or on X or Twitch, whatever it is, that they gave her compassion.
00:24:32.000 If you reenact something with an actual film clip, show a realistic video.
00:24:36.000 And you show, if they're allowed, you show it and go, this is what happened.
00:24:40.000 And people cry at movies.
00:24:42.000 You could get the emotions from a jury.
00:24:45.000 So you've used AI to build a hypothetical, this is what we think happened.
00:24:48.000 Maybe that'll happen.
00:24:49.000 It's like, no, no, this is what we think happened.
00:24:51.000 And they show another alternate possible thing.
00:24:53.000 And it's like, which one's going to be more convincing?
00:24:55.000 But the problem is you could get people's emotions fired up.
00:24:57.000 Right.
00:24:59.000 Let's jump to the Lindsey Clancy story and then we'll keep going on this stuff.
00:25:02.000 We got this from NBC News.
00:25:03.000 Lindsey Clancy jury ends fifth day of deliberation, still deadlocked.
00:25:08.000 Judge could declare a mistrial.
00:25:10.000 So, once again, there is no decision from the jury.
00:25:14.000 I also want to stress that the reporting that two jurors were wearing pink is fake news.
00:25:21.000 We actually said that on this show.
00:25:22.000 That is not correct.
00:25:23.000 Apparently, one older lady was wearing pink and some other one was wearing coral pants.
00:25:27.000 And then someone said, they're wearing pink.
00:25:28.000 That proves it.
00:25:30.000 If they were wearing like the pink sweaters, maybe that would make sense.
00:25:32.000 Not like a, you know, it's like a thin, you know, over, not like a thick sweater, but like a thin one, maybe.
00:25:38.000 But it's looking like this is going to be a hung jury and this woman is going to be released.
00:25:43.000 It is mind blowing, in my opinion, reading.
00:25:46.000 If you just go to threads.com and read what these women are writing, they are insane people.
00:25:52.000 So we are going to see a woman who admittedly murdered her kids likely get off.
00:25:58.000 If there's a mistrial, they may not even try again.
00:26:01.000 It's why I asked you in the earlier segment about the.
00:26:03.000 Like, what level of brutality should we exact on criminals?
00:26:06.000 Is because, like, what I really am concerned with when crime happens or when evil happens is how can we make the world better after the fact?
00:26:12.000 And sometimes smashing the villain into paste isn't necessarily going to make the world a better place.
00:26:17.000 Because it does make the world a better place because you take the dangerous individual out of society where they can go and hurt people.
00:26:26.000 The point is getting them, whether it be actual death penalty or just putting them away forever, the point is to get them out of normal society because they don't function in normal society the way that we expect people to function.
00:26:41.000 And that is how you protect normal people.
00:26:45.000 It's not about.
00:26:46.000 You know, the criminal.
00:26:48.000 I don't honestly, when I think of like punishment for crimes and stuff like that, I don't believe that there's a whole lot of, you know, if you're a repeat offender, if you've got multiple crimes, put them away forever.
00:27:00.000 I was studying, watching this documentary on medieval life and what it would be like walking a road in medieval times and the people you might run into.
00:27:06.000 Some of them were called outlaws.
00:27:07.000 And that was a legal term that the judges would decide you've committed so many crimes, you didn't show up.
00:27:12.000 We're now declaring you outlaw.
00:27:13.000 You are outside the law.
00:27:14.000 People can do whatever they want to you.
00:27:16.000 You're like a wild animal now.
00:27:17.000 And they'd get.
00:27:19.000 And so we stopped doing that to people.
00:27:21.000 We stopped stripping them of their.
00:27:22.000 So, like, people don't get kicked and slaughtered on the street and out in the open because that doesn't make the world better.
00:27:28.000 No, but taking them off the street, putting them in jail makes the world better.
00:27:33.000 I mean, I think that it would make the world better for Lindsey Clancy to be locked up for the rest of her life, including in a perhaps psychiatric institution.
00:27:41.000 In medieval times, I agree.
00:27:44.000 I think she should go to a psychiatric institution because those are worse than jails.
00:27:48.000 And it's not.
00:27:51.000 It's about making sure everyone knows we enforce our laws.
00:27:54.000 If she's released, how many women are going to be like, well, now I know how to kill kids if I ever want to?
00:27:59.000 And you've already seen other circumstances.
00:28:02.000 You saw, what was it, like a woman who was saying, who shot her 11 month old just recently in the face and killed him to prevent the father from getting custody.
00:28:10.000 Just today, there's a case in Ohio, and the circumstances are not entirely clear, but a two year old was found dead in a home where the mother was trying to kill herself at the same time and she was carted off.
00:28:20.000 So we're going to see copycats if this kind of thing is permitted.
00:28:24.000 Because you're going to have stupid, idiot women who have absolutely no values or principles or moral foundation, thinking that if they just go a little dotty from too much liquor and Valium or whatever it is the kids are taking these days, then they're going to be able to get off and just do whatever.
00:28:39.000 And they're going to be freed from what they see as the miserable burden of raising their children.
00:28:43.000 And I've never been in favor of, like, you know, you need to prove that you can have a child, but like, no one should impregnate women like that.
00:28:52.000 So if there's a mistrial, she just walks?
00:28:55.000 Is that what's happening?
00:28:55.000 The thing is, if there's a mistrial, if there's a hung jury, the prosecutors can say, We want a retrial, and they can perhaps keep holding her in the mental facility where she is.
00:29:08.000 And if she were found not guilty by reason of insanity, that's where she would remain, is basically in this mental hospital.
00:29:14.000 She would be released.
00:29:16.000 But I'm saying.
00:29:17.000 If she was found not guilty by reason of insanity, she goes free.
00:29:20.000 No, if she's found guilty, I believe what they said is then she stays in a mental hospital.
00:29:25.000 That's if.
00:29:27.000 They determine she is still presently insane.
00:29:30.000 And because the argument is postpartum psychosis, that would mean she is no longer postpartum, ergo.
00:29:36.000 She was crazy then.
00:29:37.000 She's not crazy now.
00:29:38.000 I think I, I believe I heard the judge saying that she would be committed to a psychiatric facility.
00:29:43.000 Then that's the judge's discretion to do.
00:29:45.000 Right.
00:29:45.000 That's the point.
00:29:46.000 Right.
00:29:46.000 Yeah.
00:29:47.000 And I think he's basically saying, like, we're not going to let her go.
00:29:50.000 But when you argue insanity, what these people are trying to do is they're trying to say, I was crazy then, but I'm okay now.
00:29:58.000 So therefore, that crime is excused and you can't put me in a psych.
00:30:01.000 Ward because I'm not crazy anymore.
00:30:03.000 Well, it's Irina Zarutska, the killer.
00:30:05.000 They claim he's not going to trial because they said he's insane.
00:30:08.000 It's not going to, if there's a, if it's a, there'll be a retrial, I think.
00:30:11.000 I think they'll do it because.
00:30:13.000 I just think they're going to redo it.
00:30:14.000 They did Phil Spector.
00:30:15.000 They did the return, and he was found guilty after that.
00:30:19.000 I think they should try it out.
00:30:20.000 I don't know, by the way, I know also Phil Spector.
00:30:22.000 So, once again, don't hang around with Cato.
00:30:24.000 I think that first degree might have been the wrong charge because if she was truly out of commission, like hopped up on psychiatrics at her doctor's discretion, maybe it's manslaughter.
00:30:35.000 They did give a lesser charge for the jury to pick, though.
00:30:39.000 The judge said that the jury could consider manslaughter, but.
00:30:42.000 The prosecution also argued that it was first degree murder, and they made a rather compelling case about how she went about doing this thing, getting her husband out of the way, planning for this whole crime.
00:30:54.000 She was Googling stuff about murders.
00:30:56.000 Yeah, I mean, they made a very compelling argument that she had planned in advance.
00:31:02.000 The two men to Colombo, not just to kill her children, but to kill herself.
00:31:08.000 And then, you know, and the arguments about how she didn't have help.
00:31:13.000 She had a nanny.
00:31:14.000 She had 18 months maternity leave.
00:31:17.000 Her husband worked from home.
00:31:18.000 Her in laws were around and supportive.
00:31:21.000 Her parents were around and supportive.
00:31:23.000 They've been so supportive that they both quit their jobs or whatever it was that they were doing.
00:31:27.000 They're up there in Massachusetts all the time supporting her.
00:31:30.000 They've raised over a million dollars on a GoFundMe for their living expenses so they can keep supporting their child killer daughter, their daughter who killed their grandchildren.
00:31:38.000 So when you look at how the prosecution laid out the case, I mean, I've heard people say, oh, they didn't do a great job or whatever.
00:31:44.000 But when I listen to it, because I watched a bunch of this.
00:31:47.000 Case with Hannah Nightingale, actually.
00:31:50.000 We were watching it, you know, at Post Millennial every day.
00:31:53.000 It looked pretty, it looked premeditated to me.
00:31:57.000 All I can say, the only thing I want to hear what you guys are saying is that if those were somebody else's kids that she killed, she'd already be in prison.
00:32:04.000 It would already be convicted and it would be over with.
00:32:06.000 But for some reason, because they're her kids, it's a little bit less bad.
00:32:10.000 Like it should be worse.
00:32:11.000 Well, I agree with you, but I think the only reason she'd be in prison is because you'd have a separate aggrieved party.
00:32:17.000 Yeah.
00:32:18.000 So, the other family would be lobbying, complaining, and have supporters.
00:32:21.000 Because it was her own kids, she's pulling the, oh, but I was suffering as a woman, and she's getting women supporters.
00:32:28.000 Like, the children have no champion to speak for them.
00:32:30.000 It's horrifying.
00:32:31.000 Obviously, she should be in prison, the psycho.
00:32:33.000 Like, no offense, lady, but.
00:32:34.000 You read the transcript.
00:32:35.000 You did that to yourself.
00:32:36.000 The island.
00:32:37.000 Yes, the island for Lindsey Clancy, with no wheelchair.
00:32:40.000 Crawl around.
00:32:41.000 At least have some time away from society with no drugs in your system.
00:32:45.000 Yeah, and the island is a hypothetical prison camp where we just drop you off and leave.
00:32:50.000 It's actually.
00:32:50.000 I'll go.
00:32:50.000 It's with Leo DiCaprio, right?
00:32:52.000 No, no, no.
00:32:53.000 There's facilities on that island.
00:32:55.000 Our hypothetical half joke is that for the most evil of individuals, we kick them off to an island and we just leave and say, You live.
00:33:05.000 No toilet paper.
00:33:07.000 No toilet paper.
00:33:07.000 No toilet paper.
00:33:08.000 No toilet paper.
00:33:09.000 No, no, no.
00:33:10.000 Thank you.
00:33:10.000 No, no.
00:33:11.000 When we say the island, we're saying drop them off somewhere and forget about it.
00:33:14.000 I think that's a great idea.
00:33:15.000 It's almost the.
00:33:16.000 Oubliette.
00:33:18.000 The banishment.
00:33:18.000 The banishment.
00:33:19.000 We're talking more banishment than Oubliette.
00:33:20.000 Oubliette.
00:33:21.000 Okay, actually, I. Lindsey Clancy, oubliette?
00:33:26.000 I'm okay with it.
00:33:26.000 A double oubliette.
00:33:27.000 Just forget.
00:33:28.000 That's where they throw you in a hole.
00:33:30.000 I'm not sure.
00:33:30.000 Yeah.
00:33:31.000 It's like a sewer, right?
00:33:31.000 Yeah.
00:33:32.000 How does a bar move from, you remember Susan Smith drowning kids?
00:33:36.000 And then there was a, there's a, like the bar, that was years ago.
00:33:36.000 Yeah.
00:33:39.000 There was, I don't think there was so much sympathy.
00:33:41.000 Before there, there was a, the woman, it was a song, Hungry Like the Wolf, the one who killed.
00:33:46.000 There's Casey Anthony.
00:33:47.000 When did the bar become acceptable?
00:33:50.000 When did this happen?
00:33:51.000 Because of social media?
00:33:52.000 The bar became acceptable for someone to murder three kids who commit to killing?
00:33:57.000 Men, men, men, men go to jail, men get the death penalty.
00:34:02.000 This, and this is a point that I actually was hoping I could get to make.
00:34:05.000 There's a lot of women that say when you say something about if people are commenting on this, they're like, oh, you know, well, men kill so many more, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:13.000 And that's true.
00:34:14.000 Men are more violent than women.
00:34:16.000 But men do not get in line to defend the man that killed him.
00:34:23.000 Men say, put him in jail forever if they're kind, if they're gentle, if they're not saying, you know, off with his head or whatever.
00:34:32.000 Because most men are like, he did what?
00:34:35.000 Well, you'll have men that end up in jail for having sex with a woman who later says that he raped her, even though it appeared consensual at the time.
00:34:43.000 So, I mean, there's not a lot of comparison there.
00:34:45.000 That's insane.
00:34:46.000 This whole thing, though, with Clancy, I think that there's a couple of things that happened between Susan Smith and now.
00:34:51.000 Social media is definitely part of it.
00:34:53.000 You know, something Jack calls true crime brain or Instagram brain, I think, is part of it.
00:34:57.000 But you also had a feminist movement that simultaneously told women that they were equal under the law, better than men, and not responsible for their actions because everything was men's fault.
00:35:09.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:35:10.000 And we also eliminated religion, which by eliminating religion from our society, we left morality in the hands of just law as opposed to something that has a higher power behind it.
00:35:22.000 And I think that was a mistake.
00:35:23.000 This is the thing that Libby outlines is a real serious problem in society because women hate men now.
00:35:31.000 Young, specifically younger women, have a really, really negative outlook on men, particularly women on the left, Democrats and stuff, have a very, very, very negative outlook on men.
00:35:43.000 Men don't share those feelings.
00:35:45.000 They have a general kind of, you know, well, you know, women are this way, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:49.000 Some men are, you know, I guess, misogynistic.
00:35:53.000 There are some men that actually hate women.
00:35:55.000 Usually it's because of something that's happened to them.
00:35:57.000 But women more broadly think that the reason they can't, they're not successful and they're not a CEO with babies and why they don't have, you know, all of the things that their heart desires is because of some man somewhere.
00:36:10.000 They hate men, but when they think of men, they're either thinking of like the president.
00:36:15.000 And I'm not talking about Donald Trump.
00:36:16.000 I'm just talking about like the president as a concept or their dad.
00:36:20.000 It's not men, it's people because women are subject oriented and men are object oriented.
00:36:24.000 So men tend to see their obstacles as something, a thing to overcome, and women tend to see their obstacles as people in their way.
00:36:30.000 I was referencing a poll that I saw of women that were young, middle aged, and older.
00:36:36.000 And young women.
00:36:37.000 I think the underlying issue is that.
00:36:40.000 So there's this chart that I posted where it shows various college courses by gender.
00:36:48.000 Computer science is 81% male.
00:36:50.000 English lit is 80% female, showing that men and women have different motivations.
00:36:54.000 Women are very motivated by the human experience, men are very motivated by binary goals.
00:37:00.000 In the middle is political science, which is 50 50.
00:37:03.000 Now, the funny thing is, a cursory glance, somebody of low order thinking or who's not thinking very deeply, you could be smart and just kind of not care, make the assumption men and women are equally interested in political science.
00:37:16.000 That's technically true, but there's an underlying facet to the male and female experience.
00:37:21.000 Women are motivated towards political science because of the human element.
00:37:25.000 Men are motivated towards political science because of the structural element.
00:37:28.000 Even when men and women are focused on the same subject, it's for completely different reasons.
00:37:33.000 I think maybe that's why the United States government was formed by men.
00:37:38.000 And because of that, it's not about who's in charge, it's about how it runs.
00:37:42.000 The revolution of the United States government is phenomenal that you can revolve the system every four years and put new people in.
00:37:49.000 It's like a trust faith system built by men.
00:37:51.000 Not that women didn't have anything to do with it, but it was specifically built by men.
00:37:55.000 And it was not about the king.
00:37:57.000 It was not about the individual man.
00:37:58.000 Even George Washington knew it was not about him.
00:38:01.000 It was not about how you felt.
00:38:02.000 It was about the function of the system.
00:38:04.000 Very cold.
00:38:05.000 Well, the women who did have something to do with it were the wives of the men who were creating the system, who served as sounding boards, like Abigail Adams.
00:38:13.000 They were pretty badass people.
00:38:15.000 I mean, but like John Adams bounced ideas off Abigail.
00:38:19.000 They had a great relationship.
00:38:20.000 But like these were primarily young men who were taking a big risk in creating a government.
00:38:25.000 And I think it's unbelievable the amount of talent that was put in that room.
00:38:29.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:38:30.000 And I don't think that it's any knock on women at large to say that men founded this country and they did a damn good job of it.
00:38:39.000 Yeah, well, part of the problem is there are a lot of women nowadays that would say, well, you know, look at all the negative things that have happened.
00:38:46.000 And they would focus on, you know, the fact that women.
00:38:50.000 Women got to raise those men.
00:38:52.000 Women got to raise those boys into men who became good men who did an amazing thing, you know?
00:38:57.000 I mean, I feel like I like my career, whatever.
00:39:01.000 Like, you guys know I'm such a dork.
00:39:03.000 Like, my favorite thing is raising my son.
00:39:05.000 I look at him and I'm like, wow, I think I'm raising a good man.
00:39:08.000 Like, yay!
00:39:10.000 You know?
00:39:10.000 I mean, what is better than that?
00:39:12.000 Yeah.
00:39:12.000 You think many people, women think like you think?
00:39:15.000 I have a bunch of friends that think that way.
00:39:16.000 And then you can't believe that there's a difference.
00:39:16.000 Yeah.
00:39:20.000 And I don't have that many friends either.
00:39:21.000 So.
00:39:22.000 Women are being lied to.
00:39:24.000 What was it saying?
00:39:25.000 Women are lied to, men are lied about.
00:39:27.000 Man, it's been about 20 years, this fracturing of the sexes.
00:39:30.000 And I don't know what caused it to start.
00:39:31.000 Maybe internet video.
00:39:32.000 Malthusianism.
00:39:33.000 What's that?
00:39:35.000 The population bomb.
00:39:36.000 The people who think that the earth is on track for overpopulation, so they had to stop people from breeding.
00:39:41.000 Funny, though, they only stop people from breeding in Western countries and high IQ countries in Asia.
00:39:46.000 I remember in 2007 sitting out in this backyard with this girl that I loved, and we were talking about having kids.
00:39:51.000 I was like, I want to wait till I have money because I want to be able to carry them around the world with me.
00:39:55.000 She was like, Okay.
00:39:56.000 And we never just fell.
00:39:58.000 Terrible idea.
00:39:59.000 Don't wait till you have money.
00:40:00.000 Have kids.
00:40:01.000 You'll figure it out.
00:40:02.000 You can carry them around the world without any money.
00:40:04.000 Yeah.
00:40:05.000 Like, there have been populations.
00:40:08.000 There's never been a population that's as wealthy and successful as the population of America.
00:40:13.000 Poor people in America are fat.
00:40:15.000 And people used to have tons of kids.
00:40:18.000 With far less means than we have today.
00:40:20.000 Don't wait to have kids.
00:40:21.000 Have kids now.
00:40:22.000 Yes, that's always the case.
00:40:23.000 I remember very distinctly, I had a friend years ago.
00:40:27.000 Hold on.
00:40:28.000 Hold on.
00:40:29.000 And don't say, oh, Phil, you're 50 and you just had your first kid.
00:40:32.000 Yeah, I know.
00:40:33.000 But I was married before and she couldn't have kids.
00:40:35.000 So, like, we tried.
00:40:36.000 So, go.
00:40:36.000 Anyways, go ahead.
00:40:37.000 No, I had this friend and she was the first one of our group to have kids.
00:40:41.000 And it was in, we were in our early 20s or whatever.
00:40:44.000 And she got married and she was really happy and everything.
00:40:47.000 And she started having kids.
00:40:48.000 And we were like, Aren't you a little young to have kids?
00:40:50.000 And she was like, there's never a right time to have kids.
00:40:53.000 Just have a bunch of kids now.
00:40:55.000 I feel like it has been baked into a younger generation that you do have to be successful first and then have kids later.
00:41:01.000 Which sort of tells people that having children is not a measure of success.
00:41:04.000 I know.
00:41:05.000 And I think having children is a measure of success.
00:41:07.000 Agreed.
00:41:08.000 I come from a family of seven.
00:41:09.000 So all of a sudden, it was made love.
00:41:10.000 Oh, that's so cool.
00:41:11.000 In Wisconsin, family seven.
00:41:13.000 My mom was a nurse.
00:41:14.000 Did that, made every one of our lunches.
00:41:16.000 And when you're a kid, you don't even realize that's no big deal.
00:41:18.000 Did the laundry.
00:41:19.000 Did everything and my dad worked too.
00:41:21.000 So it was like, oh my God.
00:41:22.000 And you realize later in life, you go, how did we, how did you do all this stuff?
00:41:27.000 I was a bunk bed brother.
00:41:28.000 That's the thing kids don't know.
00:41:30.000 It's totally true.
00:41:32.000 Where are you in the lineup?
00:41:33.000 Second youngest.
00:41:34.000 Second youngest.
00:41:34.000 Nice.
00:41:35.000 So my parents passed away, but my God, I just think about, I go, my mom did all these things and she's gone now.
00:41:42.000 I go, it's pretty incredible that I don't know of the generation now because I date younger.
00:41:48.000 But they have no concept of that.
00:41:51.000 It's just, there's no concept of, Of having to do all those things.
00:41:55.000 My kids are most a year old.
00:41:56.000 He has no idea how much money I have or don't have.
00:41:58.000 Like the kids don't care.
00:41:59.000 When you're growing up, you don't notice that kind of stuff.
00:42:03.000 If your parents are taking care of you, if your parents love you and your family's doing it, food on the table, your clothes are clean.
00:42:10.000 It's all good.
00:42:11.000 You don't even start getting to the point where you're like, oh, Tommy has this and I don't until you're like five, six, seven years old.
00:42:17.000 And maybe when you're in your teens, you're like, oh, man, we're poor.
00:42:22.000 Or like, I wish my parents got me a better car.
00:42:24.000 I was a bad kid.
00:42:25.000 I had a barb wire across my crib.
00:42:27.000 So it was never good.
00:42:28.000 We're always draining it.
00:42:29.000 It's probably a good idea.
00:42:31.000 I was the barb wire.
00:42:32.000 Probably when you're young, like, All I thought was, this is all dads are like that, and all moms are like that.
00:42:37.000 And when I'd see other kids, I'd be like, Well, their mom and dad is like mine, because that's like you're saying, Bill.
00:42:41.000 It was just this is what is normal, this is what is.
00:42:43.000 But then now we have internet video, and kids, when they're eight, can see other families.
00:42:48.000 Before you're like in your family, and that's it, and you only go out when you're let out.
00:42:53.000 And then now you can watch TV and be like, Hey, that's not like my dad, Al Bundy.
00:42:58.000 Is that what a dad's supposed to be?
00:42:59.000 And you see all this just manipulation through media.
00:43:03.000 I remember I wanted my family to be like the Cosby show, and then eventually they sent Bill Cosby.
00:43:06.000 Me to jail.
00:43:07.000 Thank goodness they weren't.
00:43:09.000 Yeah.
00:43:10.000 JLO.
00:43:12.000 Yeah.
00:43:12.000 Right?
00:43:13.000 My family's kind of like Home Improvement.
00:43:14.000 You guys watch Home Improvement?
00:43:15.000 Yeah.
00:43:15.000 Tim the Toolman?
00:43:16.000 My dad's Tim.
00:43:17.000 My mom is just like that mom in the show.
00:43:20.000 Three boys in the family.
00:43:21.000 Cool ass neighbor Louie.
00:43:22.000 Spray us with the hose and shit.
00:43:23.000 You ever see his face?
00:43:24.000 Who's the Toolman?
00:43:25.000 Yeah, I did.
00:43:25.000 Who was the Tool Time girl?
00:43:27.000 All the hot chick.
00:43:27.000 Anyway.
00:43:29.000 That's my friend.
00:43:29.000 As my mom.
00:43:31.000 The friend of my parents.
00:43:32.000 Friend of my parents.
00:43:33.000 Shout out to Kim.
00:43:34.000 Maybe you're listening right now.
00:43:36.000 The baby Sophie.
00:43:37.000 Love you, Kim.
00:43:38.000 Yeah, she was hot.
00:43:40.000 So it really was just like Home Improvement.
00:43:43.000 It was a lot like that show.
00:43:44.000 My mom actually sent the studio a story about what happened with our family that we did something one time.
00:43:50.000 They wanted to make a show out of it.
00:43:51.000 And they're like, well, thanks, but we don't accept solicitations, but thank you for that.
00:43:55.000 And then a year later, it was in the show.
00:43:57.000 I wish I could remember what episode it was.
00:43:58.000 I'll get from you.
00:43:59.000 Yeah, that's what she says.
00:44:01.000 I love that.
00:44:02.000 So I kind of, but it was like I wanted to become, I wanted it to be real.
00:44:05.000 So I kind of acted towards that becoming a reality.
00:44:07.000 So that's dangerous for kids if they see shitty TV shows and they.
00:44:10.000 They kind of forced their way.
00:44:11.000 Like my brother's name is Max, and we used to get this book read to us called Where the Wild Things Are.
00:44:16.000 Oh, yeah.
00:44:17.000 And the main character is Max, and he's this little son of a bitch.
00:44:19.000 He used to read that to my son all the time.
00:44:20.000 And then he tells his mom he's going to eat her up.
00:44:23.000 And it's like she sends him to dinner without, or just bed without dinner.
00:44:26.000 And then Max, my younger brother, who's like three, is being read this story night after night.
00:44:31.000 He starts to become this character and he becomes this wild man.
00:44:34.000 And so all of my teen years, he was like a not angry, but like wild dude.
00:44:39.000 And I think it was because of the media, the book.
00:44:42.000 In addition to other things, but that book.
00:44:45.000 It gave him a story to tell himself that wasn't a good story.
00:44:47.000 Mm hmm.
00:44:48.000 You really need to guard children's brains or guide their brains or something.
00:44:53.000 You've got to guide them.
00:44:54.000 I think Dahmer read that book.
00:44:56.000 It's a guide.
00:44:58.000 It's a guide.
00:45:00.000 Let's carry on this conversation.
00:45:00.000 Eating what?
00:45:01.000 We'll jump to the story from KRCR TV.
00:45:05.000 Massachusetts woman accused of photographing jurors in Lindsey Clancy trial.
00:45:09.000 This is how insane people are getting.
00:45:12.000 A woman whose name is, and I kid you not, Dawn Light.
00:45:17.000 Is that a real name?
00:45:18.000 Yeah, there were a couple of names in the Bonds when I was a kid and I grew up around there.
00:45:21.000 She was charged with aggravated intimidation of a juror.
00:45:25.000 Apparently, she went to where they were parking.
00:45:28.000 Troopers assigned to surveillance and security were alerted by a court officer.
00:45:31.000 Someone may have been filming jurors in an employee parking lot.
00:45:35.000 Police prosecutor said Lights' vehicle was facing a restricted area where jurors could be seen.
00:45:39.000 Now, there's a video of this woman running through a parking lot with the press surrounding her as she giggles and laughs.
00:45:46.000 I'm sorry, these women are psychotic.
00:45:48.000 There are too many of them.
00:45:49.000 And this is why they had the Salem witch trials.
00:45:51.000 So, Dawn Light, 56 years old, sought in mass.
00:45:54.000 She's a retired nurse.
00:45:56.000 I actually watched her entire arraignment today.
00:45:58.000 So she was in this parking lot.
00:45:59.000 She was accused of filming jurors.
00:46:02.000 The Massachusetts Stadies came in and they looked at her phone.
00:46:06.000 She handed it over willingly.
00:46:07.000 They checked out her footage.
00:46:09.000 She did have footage of jurors and she had been filming them.
00:46:11.000 And the parking lot where she was filming them behind the court is actually restricted to the public.
00:46:16.000 It's where the jurors go in and out, it's where the lawyers go in and out and all like that.
00:46:21.000 So she wasn't supposed to be there at all.
00:46:22.000 No one's supposed to be back there.
00:46:24.000 So that was already a red flag for the cops that showed up.
00:46:27.000 And then during the arraignment, what was interesting, the prosecution asked for $50,000 bail.
00:46:33.000 And her attorneys were like, she doesn't have it.
00:46:36.000 She was on the first floor of the Plymouth County Courthouse.
00:46:40.000 Clancy is being tried on the third floor.
00:46:43.000 So she was, it was interesting.
00:46:44.000 She was in the building.
00:46:45.000 But what her attorneys said was that she was not trying to photograph the jurors, but she was trying to get a photograph of Clancy.
00:46:52.000 Yeah.
00:46:52.000 Isn't it ironic that she's going to be a heavier penalty than Lindsey Clancy?
00:46:56.000 That is crazy.
00:46:57.000 Yeah.
00:46:57.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:46:59.000 That's why.
00:46:59.000 She's going to, it might be a hung juror and that this woman's going to get a $50,000 fine and possibly 20 years in prison.
00:47:06.000 Yeah.
00:47:06.000 And, uh, And that just shows you.
00:47:08.000 Here's what I'm going to do.
00:47:09.000 I'm going to pull up threads.com.
00:47:12.000 And to be fair, I understand how algorithms work.
00:47:15.000 But this is what it's been recommending to me.
00:47:17.000 Okay, I pulled it up.
00:47:19.000 I did not search for anything.
00:47:22.000 Here's, we are 100% watching an innocent woman being framed.
00:47:25.000 The only caveat I would add below is that it wasn't really Patrick at CVS, it was his doppelganger.
00:47:30.000 It was some guy that looked just like him.
00:47:33.000 Who wasn't on the 911?
00:47:34.000 They're posting AI images as evidence.
00:47:37.000 It's wild.
00:47:39.000 Oh, look, another one.
00:47:40.000 Trending.
00:47:40.000 Lindsey Clancy.
00:47:42.000 Threads is dominated by Lindsey Clancy trend.
00:47:44.000 Mine was Neil Patrick Harris said that Ben Stiller helped him realize he was gay.
00:47:48.000 That's what came up in my threads.
00:47:50.000 Oh, that's a better thread.
00:47:51.000 Did the Commonwealth actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Lindsey physically killed all three children?
00:47:55.000 She said she did.
00:47:56.000 She discussed it for years with a psychologist or a psychiatrist.
00:48:01.000 So that's not really in dispute.
00:48:04.000 Yeah.
00:48:05.000 And if you look at the, there's a transcript of the 911 call that Patrick made going around.
00:48:11.000 And it is absolutely brutal.
00:48:13.000 It's really, really.
00:48:15.000 I just read it.
00:48:16.000 First, he runs to the aid of his wife, and then he realizes what happens.
00:48:20.000 I mean, obviously, like, I think it's like he's like my buddy, and I'm like, because I called my kid buddy all the time, and I'm just like, I'm going to play this.
00:48:28.000 You're not going to handle it.
00:48:29.000 Let's play this clip.
00:48:30.000 I want to talk about the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof.
00:48:33.000 Once again, the indictments against Ms. Clancy are only an accusation, they're not evidence.
00:48:38.000 The defendant has denied that she's guilty of the crimes charged in these indictments.
00:48:43.000 The law presumes the defendant to be innocent of the charges against her.
00:48:46.000 This presumption of innocence is a rule of law.
00:48:48.000 So, what they've done basically is because she's claiming she's not guilty because she's nuts, they are taking this and it says to anyone saying she admitted to committing the crimes, here's proof straight from the judge.
00:48:59.000 No, he's saying she's claiming because she's crazy, she's not guilty.
00:49:03.000 But of course, this is what these people do.
00:49:07.000 Oh, man.
00:49:08.000 Oh, what is this?
00:49:09.000 Not guilty of the way they're classifying what she did.
00:49:11.000 She's not saying she didn't do it.
00:49:13.000 Look at this stuff that they're making.
00:49:14.000 Is this real?
00:49:15.000 It's got to be China.
00:49:15.000 Is this China?
00:49:16.000 I don't believe for a minute.
00:49:17.000 You know what it is?
00:49:18.000 They're trying to get us to hate women, okay?
00:49:20.000 I really believe everything in me that Lindsay is innocent, the timeline, the DNA, nothing makes sense.
00:49:25.000 And look at what they made.
00:49:27.000 Dude, if there's a.
00:49:28.000 These beautiful angels are watching over their mama.
00:49:30.000 This is rage bait from China.
00:49:32.000 I don't believe it anymore.
00:49:33.000 I'm done.
00:49:35.000 That's really bizarre that they did that and they got the pictures of the kids with that.
00:49:40.000 What's the other one?
00:49:41.000 Is it different?
00:49:42.000 Yeah.
00:49:43.000 What's the other one?
00:49:43.000 How did she?
00:49:44.000 Justice for Cora, Dawson, Johnny, and Lindsay.
00:49:46.000 Oh my God.
00:49:47.000 She did what she did.
00:49:48.000 She did some rage bait.
00:49:50.000 She took them each into the basement one by one.
00:49:52.000 She started with the middle child.
00:49:54.000 She strangled him to death with an exercise band.
00:49:57.000 And he was the child who, in Facebook posts, she said was the most difficult child that she had the most trouble with.
00:50:03.000 And then she killed the older one, her daughter, and then she killed the baby.
00:50:08.000 She strangled them with exercise bands.
00:50:11.000 And one thing that is also crazy, she took a phone call while she was strangling them from her husband who said he thought that the kids, that she was just giving them a bath.
00:50:21.000 And that's what he heard on the phone.
00:50:25.000 She took a call.
00:50:27.000 Oh, God.
00:50:29.000 Yeah.
00:50:29.000 Where he was confirming with her which medication to get at CVS.
00:50:33.000 The middle one was the most difficult.
00:50:35.000 This goes to another common topic is like males are definitely different than females.
00:50:41.000 Men are different than even a boy.
00:50:44.000 It's just that she was used to a daughter and she had a son.
00:50:48.000 He was, man, poor little guy.
00:50:51.000 Just so you have the mind of killing one and then.
00:50:55.000 And she's got it.
00:50:56.000 She's saying to her, the person's saying to himself, I have a goal.
00:50:59.000 I've got to do it all.
00:51:00.000 I know it's going to be.
00:51:01.000 I just, it's just like it's hard to fathom that she did it to her.
00:51:05.000 That came out of her womb.
00:51:05.000 Yeah.
00:51:07.000 And she's an exercise ban killing three.
00:51:10.000 And she, how does, how do you block that out?
00:51:13.000 Do you go on to the next one?
00:51:14.000 I, so yeah.
00:51:16.000 How do you go on to this?
00:51:17.000 How does anybody have compassion for her?
00:51:18.000 I'm sorry.
00:51:18.000 I have no idea.
00:51:19.000 Yeah.
00:51:20.000 It's shocking.
00:51:20.000 I don't.
00:51:21.000 You know, hearing it from you just to say the exercise ban and how she did it, how does the jury not.
00:51:27.000 Well, it's just like Chris Watts, but it seems like it's kind of worse.
00:51:31.000 What's Chris Watts?
00:51:32.000 He killed his two daughters and then he, like, stuffed them in an oil pipe, tried to get away with it.
00:51:38.000 Oh, yeah, I remember that.
00:51:39.000 Oh, she didn't try.
00:51:40.000 Did she turn herself in?
00:51:41.000 No.
00:51:41.000 She tried to get away with it by killing herself.
00:51:44.000 And then when she, but it was superficial wounds with a knife.
00:51:47.000 They found the knife on her bedside table next to a wine tumbler that said, because kids on it.
00:51:56.000 If she had been a gymnast, and then she tried to throw herself out the window and she ended up paralyzed.
00:52:00.000 Oh, she's paralyzed right now?
00:52:00.000 And it was a butter knife.
00:52:01.000 Yeah, she was.
00:52:02.000 Was it really?
00:52:03.000 Oh, man.
00:52:04.000 It was like a, you know, it was like a, I'm cutting onions kind of knife.
00:52:08.000 And she probably has it on Google of where to hit certain parts of your body that won't die.
00:52:12.000 But, because you were mentioning there was stuff on the computer.
00:52:12.000 Who knows?
00:52:16.000 She'd Googled things like, you know, I don't remember specifically, but they were related to murder, related to psychosis.
00:52:23.000 Like, if she had been ordered to do this under duress, because I've been listening to Vietnam vets come back and talk about the massacres they implemented while they were there under orders.
00:52:32.000 And, and, I could understand this.
00:52:35.000 I could understand, like, in wartime, you're commanded to do something.
00:52:38.000 You think it's the enemy.
00:52:39.000 You do it.
00:52:39.000 You carry it out.
00:52:40.000 You finish the job.
00:52:41.000 You kill everything that moves.
00:52:42.000 It's a horrible lifestyle.
00:52:43.000 You want to read that one, Phil?
00:52:44.000 She just did this of her own free will.
00:52:46.000 We're supposed to believe all women when they claim they were raped or sexually harassed, but not when they admit to murdering their children.
00:52:52.000 I mean, look, this really has produced a lot.
00:52:56.000 First of all, it's produced a lot of really, really, I don't want to say funny, but good memes.
00:53:02.000 And it does a terrible disservice.
00:53:05.000 To women in general.
00:53:07.000 Oh, it's terrible.
00:53:08.000 Yeah.
00:53:09.000 It's okay.
00:53:09.000 It's terrible.
00:53:10.000 So, the Me Too movement I thought was absolutely terrible because it was infantilizing women.
00:53:15.000 It was like saying, oh, if you sleep with somebody and then the next day you decide you didn't want to, you can say that you were raped.
00:53:21.000 And I watched people that I knew who had told me stories about relationships they had or whatever.
00:53:27.000 I watched them change their stories in real time to say that they were coerced or whatever.
00:53:31.000 And I was like, look, you know, he took you to dinner, you got the lobster, you went home with them, you thought that that was a fine trade.
00:53:38.000 Now you don't.
00:53:39.000 That's not rape, you moron.
00:53:41.000 Like, you ate the lobster.
00:53:42.000 Like, you made a deal.
00:53:43.000 That's it.
00:53:44.000 You can make deals.
00:53:45.000 You're a grown up.
00:53:46.000 You get to do that.
00:53:47.000 It's fine.
00:53:48.000 You know what I mean?
00:53:49.000 Like, maybe you wish you hadn't, but wishing that you hadn't done something that now goes against your moral code means assess yourself.
00:53:58.000 Don't start lashing out at other people.
00:53:59.000 And there's this thing, too, that I think we don't talk about, which I was actually talking to Jack about the other day like, the feminine heroine's journey versus the masculine hero's journey.
00:54:11.000 And we had similar but different perspectives on it.
00:54:15.000 But he was saying that one thing that is sort of a constant in the female hero's journey is the maintenance of the feminine virtue.
00:54:23.000 Right?
00:54:24.000 Maintenance of the feminine virtue.
00:54:25.000 So, you have a situation where you have women who want to be perceived in a virtuous way, who act in non virtuous ways.
00:54:34.000 And then, in order to, in an attempt to maintain other people perceiving them as virtuous, they make up lies about men.
00:54:42.000 Like, that's why there was a case, what was it, like the junior hockey players in Canada, and this woman banged all the hockey players.
00:54:50.000 I never heard about that.
00:54:51.000 And then it was found out that she banged all the hockey players.
00:54:54.000 Is it bung or banged?
00:54:57.000 Hucked.
00:54:57.000 I don't know.
00:54:58.000 I don't know.
00:54:59.000 I'm not Canadian.
00:55:00.000 I don't know.
00:55:01.000 I don't speak Canadian.
00:55:02.000 But anyway, she banged all the hockey players.
00:55:04.000 They had her on video consenting to it because they were like, this is crazy.
00:55:07.000 Is she really into it?
00:55:08.000 And she was like, yeah, I'm totally going to bang all the hockey players.
00:55:11.000 And then she said that they raped her because people found out about it.
00:55:15.000 And she didn't like that her dad and other people saw her as non virtuous, basically, is the story.
00:55:22.000 And I think that that happened with me too, right?
00:55:25.000 Like you had all of these cases.
00:55:26.000 There was like a foreign correspondence in.
00:55:29.000 Italy and they were all hanging out and whatever.
00:55:32.000 Like, there's so many of these cases, and you look at it and you're like, girl, get right with yourself.
00:55:38.000 You made some decisions you wish you hadn't.
00:55:40.000 You know, with a cure for that is make different decisions next time.
00:55:44.000 And when I say, you know, don't infantilize all women because you're an idiot.
00:55:44.000 That's what you can do.
00:55:49.000 When I say women are ridiculous, generally women are ridiculous and silly.
00:55:53.000 I'm the bad guy.
00:55:55.000 Like, I never said you were the bad guy, Phil.
00:55:56.000 No, no, I'm not saying, no, no, I'm not talking about you personally because you are not generally silly or ridiculous.
00:56:01.000 That's crazy.
00:56:02.000 Like, Own yourself, people.
00:56:04.000 That's what equality means.
00:56:06.000 There's another thing with speaking of mothers and their love for sons, this just happened also with the kid who killed his girlfriend and said the demons made him do it, knifed it, and the mother cleans up the.
00:56:16.000 What was that story?
00:56:17.000 That was the.
00:56:18.000 I'm going to do a story on that one for murder.
00:56:20.000 Maybe demons did make him do it.
00:56:22.000 Well, maybe.
00:56:23.000 Doesn't mean he doesn't go to jail.
00:56:25.000 The mom's the one that helped him clean up the.
00:56:27.000 And then they drove away with the rubber gloves.
00:56:29.000 Here's a question for you, Libby.
00:56:32.000 If your kid.
00:56:34.000 Killed somebody, would you help him cover it up and trank him out of jail?
00:56:37.000 You know, I don't know.
00:56:39.000 And that's a tough question, right?
00:56:40.000 It's a tough question because also I am like a quarter Sicilian, so we have that.
00:56:45.000 I'm going to get a little racism in here, Libby?
00:56:47.000 A little.
00:56:48.000 Just a little.
00:56:49.000 You never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
00:56:53.000 Is that in a movie?
00:56:54.000 That should be in a movie.
00:56:55.000 That is in a movie.
00:56:56.000 That is literally the Princess Bride quote.
00:56:57.000 Oh, that's right.
00:56:58.000 No wonder I know that quote.
00:57:01.000 I think that question is it depends on what was done.
00:57:04.000 Yeah.
00:57:05.000 What was the kill?
00:57:06.000 Yeah.
00:57:06.000 Yeah.
00:57:07.000 Like, there are certain things that I think I would probably protect my child over, and there are certain things that I absolutely would not.
00:57:14.000 You know what I mean?
00:57:15.000 It's like, it's not such a fascinating case when you look at Robinson, right?
00:57:18.000 Because Robinson's parents saw him on the surveillance footage and they were like, oh, no, that's our son.
00:57:24.000 Yeah.
00:57:24.000 And they reached out to him and they encouraged him to turn himself in.
00:57:30.000 And I think they did the right thing.
00:57:32.000 So, here's a question for you.
00:57:34.000 But that's, you know, here's a question for do you have any kids?
00:57:36.000 So, there's a question for the parents.
00:57:36.000 Yeah.
00:57:38.000 Oh, my God, she's in the car.
00:57:39.000 I'll be right back.
00:57:40.000 Here's a question for the parents in the room.
00:57:43.000 I think, Ian, that's just you.
00:57:44.000 Oh, yeah.
00:57:45.000 All right.
00:57:46.000 I'll give you an outside perspective.
00:57:47.000 If your kid went to the mall with some friends, was meeting up with some friends, and then when they were leaving, backed up and hit a vehicle, panicked, and that, like, damaged it, panicked, and drove home, parked the car in the driveway, ran in the house, and went in their room.
00:58:05.000 Then you hear a knock on the door, it's the police.
00:58:07.000 You answer the door, and they say, Sir, is that your vehicle in the driveway?
00:58:10.000 We say, Yes.
00:58:11.000 They say, Well, that vehicle's on camera in a hit and run.
00:58:14.000 And you knew it was your kid, would you say that was me?
00:58:16.000 100%.
00:58:18.000 I would turn, of course I would.
00:58:20.000 Because first of all, I'm Catholic guilt.
00:58:22.000 Immediately, I'd say, yeah, that's our.
00:58:24.000 No, no, no.
00:58:25.000 Would you say you did it?
00:58:26.000 Oh, if I did it, would you say, no, my kid did it?
00:58:29.000 No, my kid did it.
00:58:30.000 I would say the kid did it.
00:58:31.000 How old is the kid?
00:58:31.000 Because it's not in kids.
00:58:32.000 Yeah.
00:58:33.000 No, no, but they can't see on camera who it was.
00:58:33.000 24, does it matter?
00:58:35.000 They just know all the kids.
00:58:36.000 I would say the kid.
00:58:37.000 Would you take the fall?
00:58:38.000 No.
00:58:39.000 What about you, Libby?
00:58:40.000 Nope.
00:58:41.000 I don't answer the door.
00:58:42.000 I was going to say, I'd say come back with a warrant.
00:58:44.000 Okay.
00:58:45.000 The cops show up with a warrant.
00:58:46.000 Oh, come on.
00:58:46.000 Okay.
00:58:48.000 And they say, we have a warrant.
00:58:49.000 As a rule, I know when I answer my door.
00:58:51.000 And so they kick the door in.
00:58:53.000 Would I take the fall for the kid?
00:58:53.000 So they kick the door in.
00:58:56.000 Was anybody hurt?
00:58:57.000 No.
00:58:58.000 Then no.
00:58:58.000 It's just a hit and run.
00:58:59.000 The kid's going to learn.
00:59:00.000 The kid's going to learn.
00:59:07.000 Then I think I would work with them and the kid would pay for it.
00:59:12.000 Hit and run can be serious charges.
00:59:12.000 Yeah.
00:59:14.000 Well, if you're backing up into somebody's car.
00:59:17.000 Like it was an accident.
00:59:18.000 But instead of staying to figure it out, they panicked and fled.
00:59:20.000 I guess so.
00:59:21.000 Who's hurt?
00:59:21.000 It's like.
00:59:22.000 You know, $1,000 are the damages, but hit and run's a hit and run.
00:59:25.000 If nobody's hurt.
00:59:26.000 Then I think I'd.
00:59:27.000 You guys are like sitting here talking about the letter of the law and like punishing criminals and like even the idea that you might protect your kid if he's a criminal is complete insanity.
00:59:39.000 I literally don't think that kid's going to learn.
00:59:42.000 I'd be like, boy, get out here.
00:59:44.000 And like the nepotistic will to cover up crimes of your family is insane to me.
00:59:50.000 No, I think it's completely violent crime.
00:59:52.000 Made violent crime is one thing.
00:59:53.000 I don't care about a lot of white collar crime.
00:59:55.000 If you cover up, you're also part of the crime then.
00:59:57.000 Yeah.
00:59:58.000 You're going to risk yourself going to jail.
00:59:59.000 But that's not the hypothetical we're asking.
01:00:00.000 So we don't need to play semantic games.
01:00:02.000 The point is would you take the fall for your kid if you could on a relatively minor crime?
01:00:07.000 Oh, that kid's going to learn.
01:00:08.000 Not for a minor crime.
01:00:10.000 This is a teaching moment.
01:00:12.000 I'd be more likely to take the fall for a minor crime.
01:00:16.000 So I might.
01:00:18.000 It depends on the circumstances, but I might.
01:00:20.000 Because I don't want my kid to go to jail for a year, which would destroy their life.
01:00:24.000 I'm old.
01:00:26.000 I can handle a year in jail.
01:00:28.000 Sending your kids a year, depending if they're a teenager, to juvie could destroy their lives.
01:00:33.000 And if they're 18 or 19, it could seriously destroy their lives.
01:00:36.000 Would it make a difference if you had a son versus a daughter?
01:00:38.000 Because Phil and I both have sons.
01:00:41.000 I wouldn't know, but I would presume it wouldn't matter one way or the other.
01:00:45.000 I think if I had a daughter, I would definitely take the fall.
01:00:48.000 So if the damage, so here's, I'm using Virginia as an example because that's like, I could use Maryland, Virginia, Virginia.
01:00:56.000 With no real damage, it's a ticket.
01:00:59.000 So, if you like scrape the car and it's like there's no dent or anything, that is a $250 fine.
01:01:05.000 If the damage is $250 to $1,000, this is a class one misdemeanor where you can receive up to a year in jail and $2,500 fine.
01:01:13.000 And if the damage is over $1,000, it's a felony, which is one to 10 years in prison.
01:01:19.000 So, if your kid damaged the side of the car causing $1,001 in damage, panicked, nobody's hurt, flees, the police show up and say, This is serious.
01:01:30.000 It's over $1,000 worth of damage.
01:01:32.000 Your kid committed a, whoever was driving committed a felony.
01:01:35.000 Who did it?
01:01:37.000 Now, I guess to be fair, you could just be like, the car must have been driving itself.
01:01:41.000 It's a Tesla.
01:01:42.000 I don't know.
01:01:42.000 Stolen.
01:01:43.000 Because they can't really prove who did it at that point.
01:01:43.000 Yeah.
01:01:45.000 So, it may just fall on you unless you rat your kid out.
01:01:48.000 So, it's your car.
01:01:49.000 They say your car did it.
01:01:51.000 I guess technically it would say they would compel you to say who is driving the car.
01:01:55.000 I guess, put it like this way if your kid's facing one to 10 years in prison, you're going to take the fall form or not?
01:02:04.000 I don't think so.
01:02:06.000 I don't think so.
01:02:09.000 If it's a crime like that, nonviolent crime, I don't think so.
01:02:14.000 And I use this example because this.
01:02:16.000 Happens a lot, actually.
01:02:18.000 I'm not saying it happens like every day, but a 16 year old kid backs into a car, doesn't know what to do, panics, thinks they're going to get in trouble.
01:02:26.000 So instead of stopping and calling it in or waiting for the owner, they leave.
01:02:30.000 And then, actually, I use this example because a similar story happened to a friend of mine who was at a mall, backed into a car when he was like 17, drove home, was caught on camera.
01:02:43.000 The cops got the license plate, got the address, and then knocked on the door.
01:02:47.000 In this instance, though, they said, don't worry.
01:02:50.000 There's no crime.
01:02:51.000 They just want you to give the insurance information.
01:02:54.000 We understand the kid freaked out.
01:02:55.000 We're not really worried about it.
01:02:56.000 And everyone was like, oh, very cool.
01:02:57.000 Like, thank you.
01:02:58.000 But using that as a hypothetical, would you take the fall on a felony charge or have your kid, hey, you did it?
01:03:06.000 If you protect him once, he's going to do it.
01:03:08.000 If it's a felony, that kid is very likely going to do that again.
01:03:11.000 You don't think so?
01:03:11.000 No.
01:03:12.000 We're talking about an accident and a panic.
01:03:14.000 Yeah.
01:03:15.000 We're not talking about someone who's like, I'm going to ram this guy.
01:03:15.000 Okay.
01:03:17.000 It's not a violent felony.
01:03:18.000 Because nonviolent is really where, if it's a violent thing, the kid's going away.
01:03:22.000 If that thing became violent, it's up to that thing to deal with it.
01:03:26.000 Like that child, that person is like, but.
01:03:30.000 So, what about you, Carter?
01:03:32.000 You wouldn't?
01:03:32.000 You let your son go to prison?
01:03:34.000 It's a minimum of one year in prison.
01:03:36.000 Yeah.
01:03:36.000 I mean, going, like, honestly, I'm doing that thing where you're going through all the different possibilities come back with a warrant.
01:03:43.000 We're going to ask for a lawyer.
01:03:45.000 For the sake of the hypothetical, we know that doesn't matter.
01:03:47.000 The question is would you take the fall or let your kid take the felony?
01:03:52.000 I would not take the fall for that.
01:03:54.000 I think it also matters if you have more than one kid because, like, if you go to jail, but I'd do everything I could to get them off the other ones.
01:04:01.000 Yeah, I'm curious what the viewers think, too, though, because I don't know if there's a real answer there.
01:04:09.000 I think the moral and honest answer is the kid takes responsibility for what the kid did, whatever it may have been.
01:04:14.000 But I do know there's a lot of people who are like, don't know, don't care, my kid's not going to jail.
01:04:18.000 But it does depend on the crime because not all crime is evil, to be honest.
01:04:22.000 Most of it is the hypothetical.
01:04:24.000 He gave the specifics of the hypothetical, so property damage.
01:04:27.000 The purpose of it was to say it's an accident with no malice.
01:04:30.000 So, no vandalism and no violence.
01:04:32.000 But it is a felony.
01:04:33.000 So, what if the kid was walking down the street and vandalizing fences?
01:04:36.000 Yeah, absolutely not.
01:04:37.000 That's malicious.
01:04:38.000 You go to jail for it.
01:04:40.000 I'm not saying would you cover for the kid.
01:04:41.000 I wouldn't.
01:04:42.000 No, absolutely not.
01:04:44.000 Would you turn the kid in?
01:04:46.000 Maybe.
01:04:46.000 Depending on the circumstances, there's a gradient.
01:04:51.000 Depending on the severity of the crime, yes.
01:04:53.000 If it's like, I don't know, spray paint, it's like, are we going to really?
01:04:58.000 It's a couple hundred bucks to fix, it's bad.
01:05:02.000 I don't know.
01:05:03.000 I'm going to be like, well, I know my kid did.
01:05:05.000 I'm going to go to the police and go say, hey, there was vandalism somewhere.
01:05:08.000 You mentioned earlier, a lot of times it's easier to rectify the situation without getting the law involved if you can.
01:05:13.000 Like, if you can really teach the kid a lesson, and I'm not talking about supplies, man.
01:05:16.000 I'm saying legitimately teach them a lesson somehow through it without it getting the police involved.
01:05:21.000 In the circumstance of malice, they pay the penalty.
01:05:24.000 Meaning, if my kid intentionally committed a crime to destroy or harm others, yes, they're getting locked up, no question.
01:05:31.000 What if they were lighting fires in the backyard and it caught fire and started burning someone's house down?
01:05:37.000 Yeah, yep.
01:05:37.000 Yeah, that's an intentional action.
01:05:38.000 Well, if they were just playing with gasoline.
01:05:40.000 Yeah, that's an intentional action you took.
01:05:42.000 Negligence is also your responsibility.
01:05:45.000 My point about the accidental hit was that there was no intention to do it, and panic resulted in them committing a crime they wouldn't have otherwise committed.
01:05:53.000 And now they might go to prison for a year, and your kid, who otherwise is good and just had one accident, now could go to prison, and I think that could destroy their life.
01:06:02.000 I mean, look, I know more than enough people from the South side of Chicago who got like two years in juvie, and then when they got in, they got added charges, which then extended, and it made everything substantially worse.
01:06:13.000 You get in, and then a gang comes and they threaten you.
01:06:15.000 Now they add charges.
01:06:15.000 You get into a fight.
01:06:16.000 That stuff happens in prison.
01:06:17.000 This is why, when I think of crime and rectifying crime, it's less about how hard can we punish the criminal and more about how can we make the world a better place after this happened.
01:06:24.000 Because not always throwing the kid, throwing the criminal in jail is not always the way to make the world a better place.
01:06:30.000 But the circumstances that Tim lays out for the hypothetical and the discussion that we were having earlier are just worlds different, like night and day different.
01:06:39.000 You're talking about, like earlier, we were talking about like murder, and he's talking about an accident.
01:06:45.000 Accidental murder.
01:06:45.000 Sure.
01:06:46.000 Say, like a.
01:06:47.000 No, accidental murder.
01:06:48.000 Accidental murder.
01:06:50.000 A vehicular homicide, accident.
01:06:52.000 Okay, so now you want to change the topic to something else.
01:06:54.000 So, you want to modify the equation now.
01:06:56.000 So, potentially, still an accident, no malicious intent, but someone died as a result.
01:07:02.000 Does that kid now deserve 30 years in prison?
01:07:04.000 Or do you figure out a way to make the world a better place somehow?
01:07:08.000 Well, you're not going to be able to skirt a situation where there was a person that died involved.
01:07:16.000 It's like he's talking about it.
01:07:19.000 The conditions, the situation are so different.
01:07:22.000 So, if you want to talk about, like, if your kid goes out and gets into a car accident and it's, you know, possible manslaughter because he was driving recklessly and he hits someone else, well, my first thought is, well, my kid's probably in the hospital too because he hit someone's car hard enough for someone to die.
01:07:42.000 Well, it's just very, very different.
01:07:45.000 Ian, let me ask you this question.
01:07:46.000 Let's say that you have a kid, your hypothetical son, discovers that the private corporation researchers have invented.
01:07:54.000 A device that can cure all diseases.
01:07:56.000 And the government sees it saying this is disruptive to the economy and no one can know about it.
01:08:02.000 But your son, having learned about these classified files through hacking, breaks into the facility to steal the Genesis device, brings it to the public, and then he's in the house holding the device, and there's a knock on the door.
01:08:16.000 Would you take the fall for him in that scenario?
01:08:21.000 Do you have any Jews in the house?
01:08:24.000 I might be willing to lie to the authorities for certain crimes that I don't think are ethical.
01:08:28.000 That was the purpose of the question to translate it to EE's.
01:08:32.000 If there was something that you thought the government was doing maliciously and was for evil, would you take the fall to protect your kid?
01:08:38.000 The point of saying is the Nazis come to your house and ask if you're hiding Jews and you lie to them and save the Jewish person.
01:08:43.000 Would you commit a crime for something you thought was morally good?
01:08:45.000 Would you take the fall for a family member who committed a crime if you thought that crime was morally justified?
01:08:50.000 That's a tough question.
01:08:51.000 Well, we're also talking about something else.
01:08:53.000 We're not just talking about would you take the fall for your kid.
01:08:55.000 We're talking about do you trust the society that we live in and do you trust that we have fair and equitable laws or not?
01:09:02.000 Do you trust our representative democracy?
01:09:04.000 Do you believe that we have a just and fair system of government and jurisprudence?
01:09:11.000 Clearly, not anymore.
01:09:13.000 And this is a question that the answer changes everything.
01:09:18.000 I mean, I used to think that we had that.
01:09:21.000 I think things lately have proven that our judiciary is completely corrupt and backwards.
01:09:27.000 It's all because of that.
01:09:29.000 And that's an issue.
01:09:31.000 I got a blonde-haired, blue-eyed boy.
01:09:34.000 No, I do not trust the court system at all.
01:09:38.000 Not one bit.
01:09:39.000 They're going to throw the book at him.
01:09:41.000 And, you know, and that's the real question, I think, that this hypothetical speaks to.
01:09:49.000 Yeah.
01:09:49.000 Well, even with the just system, some like jaywalking when there's no cars around, some flock camera picks it up and then the kid goes to jail.
01:10:00.000 Like, what?
01:10:01.000 That's not a crime.
01:10:02.000 Even though it's a crime on paper, there's no cars around.
01:10:05.000 Well, actually, jaywalking isn't a crime in every jurisdiction.
01:10:05.000 No one was in danger.
01:10:10.000 In some circumstances, jaywalking becomes a crime only if you're obstructing the road.
01:10:14.000 But in some places, like in Ferguson, jaywalking is a petty offense where you get a ticket when you do it.
01:10:14.000 Yeah.
01:10:19.000 I know.
01:10:20.000 And there's no sidewalks or crosswalks in that place, which is what led to a lot of the contention.
01:10:26.000 People got real mad.
01:10:28.000 I think of myself today, I was thinking I'm neutral good.
01:10:30.000 If I was a DD character, I'm like 65% on the order and chaos scale.
01:10:36.000 I don't know.
01:10:37.000 What do you think, Phil?
01:10:38.000 I don't think neutral good.
01:10:39.000 Ian?
01:10:40.000 Yeah.
01:10:41.000 He's chaotic neutral.
01:10:42.000 I was thinking chaotic neutral, actually.
01:10:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:10:44.000 Think of me as chaotic.
01:10:45.000 Oh, God, yes.
01:10:46.000 You said annex Palestine.
01:10:48.000 You understand what real chaotic people are like, though?
01:10:50.000 I'm not chaotic.
01:10:51.000 Chaotic, neutral.
01:10:52.000 That's why I'd be chaotic.
01:10:53.000 I think I'm not chaotic.
01:10:54.000 I'm not changing the subject.
01:10:55.000 I'm not chaotic.
01:10:56.000 And there's no way I tend towards chaos.
01:10:57.000 You argued to annex Gaza.
01:10:59.000 Well, I brought it up as an inoculation tactic so I can control the narrative because I'm a genius.
01:11:05.000 So I'm neutral.
01:11:08.000 I know, like, chaos.
01:11:09.000 I don't know.
01:11:10.000 People think that we get mad at Ian when we have these conversations.
01:11:12.000 Guys, we're laughing.
01:11:13.000 This is the funniest stuff I've had.
01:11:15.000 I'm having a time in my life.
01:11:16.000 Dude, I feel bad sometimes because I laugh at you, but I'm laughing with you.
01:11:18.000 I can tell the.
01:11:19.000 That laugh because it's high pitch.
01:11:21.000 You're like, ah, like it's not laughing.
01:11:23.000 He's not laughing.
01:11:24.000 I think I'm neutral, good.
01:11:26.000 You'd be wrong.
01:11:27.000 You're chaotic, neutral.
01:11:28.000 I don't think chaos.
01:11:29.000 Real chaotic people are very dangerous.
01:11:32.000 You've argued in favor of the U.S. military doctrine around the world.
01:11:35.000 I'm probably in favor of it.
01:11:37.000 Yeah, that's an orderly thing to do.
01:11:39.000 Right.
01:11:40.000 Sometimes you're orderly, sometimes you're not.
01:11:42.000 That's why you're chaotic.
01:11:43.000 Neutral.
01:11:44.000 Chaotic, neutral.
01:11:45.000 No, no.
01:11:47.000 There's lawful, neutral, and chaos.
01:11:49.000 Yes.
01:11:49.000 And I tend neutral there.
01:11:51.000 And then there's good, neutral, and evil.
01:11:53.000 And I tend good there.
01:11:54.000 So, I'm neutral, good.
01:11:56.000 I'm not lawful or chaotic.
01:11:57.000 I'm neutral with the law.
01:11:59.000 Neutral, chaotic.
01:12:00.000 Neutral, good.
01:12:02.000 I'm neutral with the law.
01:12:03.000 You're arguing good with morality.
01:12:06.000 I just keep looking at Carter.
01:12:07.000 I think of Christopher Walken and the Deer Hunter.
01:12:09.000 I just don't know the nomenclature of this scale.
01:12:13.000 Now, he's cat-neutral.
01:12:15.000 Dude, cat-neutral people are dangerous.
01:12:19.000 You can't trust them.
01:12:20.000 They'll break the law at will.
01:12:21.000 They serve themselves, they're not good people.
01:12:26.000 Ian, you're chaotic neutral.
01:12:27.000 I really don't think so.
01:12:29.000 Yeah, let's pull this up so people know what's a DD alignment.
01:12:35.000 So let's give people a general understanding of what this means.
01:12:37.000 And it doesn't really matter if it's the DD alignment, but ignore DD.
01:12:41.000 This is an interesting way to take a look at how you view people.
01:12:44.000 Lawful good means you're like a white knight, you obey the law and you do your best to help people.
01:12:49.000 Lawful evil is you're a tyrannical dictator.
01:12:52.000 The law is on your side, but you do it to selfish, evil ends.
01:12:56.000 Chaotic good is Robin Hood.
01:12:57.000 He steals from the government to give back to the taxpayer.
01:13:01.000 Chaotic evil is like a supervillain who is just destructive and outside the law, but for their personal gain.
01:13:08.000 Ian's Caddock neutral.
01:13:11.000 You're absolutely Caddock neutral.
01:13:13.000 And earlier, you tried to switch it, trying to act like we don't know what lawful and chaotic in the DD terms is.
01:13:21.000 What is everybody?
01:13:22.000 I want to know what everybody is on the panel.
01:13:24.000 What's Phil?
01:13:26.000 I don't know.
01:13:26.000 Neutral good.
01:13:27.000 Neutral good.
01:13:28.000 What about Carter?
01:13:30.000 Dude, I have no.
01:13:31.000 I think we'd all probably fall in neutral good.
01:13:34.000 I don't know.
01:13:34.000 Phil lately has been making me think he's lawful neutral or maybe neutral.
01:13:39.000 No, Phil is true neutral because the way he says, round them up, round them all up.
01:13:42.000 Like he's willing to use the law to just smash it up.
01:13:45.000 That makes it a lot of good.
01:13:46.000 That's why I say neutral good.
01:13:47.000 I don't think that's good.
01:13:48.000 It is.
01:13:48.000 I think that's a willingness to do evil to get the job.
01:13:50.000 No.
01:13:51.000 Phil's motivation is so evil is a reference to selfishness and sacrifice of others.
01:13:56.000 Or utilitarianism, for instance, is a type of evil.
01:14:00.000 So, no, You're changing the law.
01:14:04.000 I think you're misunderstanding what this alignment is.
01:14:06.000 Oh, he's doing it on purpose, not misunderstanding.
01:14:07.000 I'm the one that brought it up.
01:14:09.000 I know this so well.
01:14:11.000 I mean, why are you sheepishly?
01:14:13.000 Good is a reference to helping everyone.
01:14:15.000 Evil is a reference to helping yourself.
01:14:17.000 Well, it's a lot of it's perspective, but, you know, a lot of evil is a lot of it.
01:14:21.000 Yes, but we're talking about an alignment chart, not a perspective on alignment.
01:14:24.000 We're talking about what it's meant to be, what the words mean.
01:14:27.000 So, chaotic evil, like a lich, right?
01:14:31.000 Yeah, you don't see a lot of chaotic people in the world.
01:14:32.000 They're usually in prison or dead.
01:14:35.000 Chaotic evil is a lich.
01:14:35.000 Indeed.
01:14:36.000 They are stealing power outside the system and raising the dead to their own ends.
01:14:41.000 Chaotic good is Robin Hood.
01:14:42.000 He's outside the system.
01:14:44.000 He defies the system, but he's doing it to help everyone around him.
01:14:46.000 Perhaps John McAfee, some might argue, or maybe he's a little more chaotic neutral.
01:14:49.000 I don't know how good he was because he'd wave guns around at people and stuff.
01:14:52.000 And then down there you have lawful, you'd have Hitler on the bottom left.
01:14:55.000 Yes.
01:14:55.000 Hitler is a good guy.
01:14:56.000 What is the best?
01:14:57.000 Lawful good is the best to be, or is it?
01:14:59.000 No, no, no, no.
01:15:00.000 The problem with lawful good is that you will have a dictator, tyrant, saying, for the better of the people, we're going to take all their money.
01:15:07.000 And the lawful good guy says, like, I'm going to try and keep order and keep our money.
01:15:10.000 So neutral good is probably the best to be.
01:15:13.000 I think neutral good is fairly.
01:15:13.000 It depends.
01:15:14.000 Chaotic good could be considered some of the best.
01:15:16.000 Just depends.
01:15:17.000 Because chaotic good, you're like, I'm going to do good.
01:15:19.000 It doesn't matter that this is illegal what I'm doing.
01:15:23.000 I know that the goal is good.
01:15:26.000 Robinhood, yeah.
01:15:26.000 Robinhood robbed from the government to give to the experts.
01:15:29.000 Or John Brown.
01:15:30.000 And you know what they did?
01:15:32.000 The propaganda where they say Robinhood stole from the rich to give to the poor.
01:15:35.000 That is communist propaganda.
01:15:37.000 He was stealing the government coffers from the sheriff to give back to the people the government had stolen the money from.
01:15:44.000 Like from overtaxing or something?
01:15:46.000 The sheriff was going around demanding taxes from people.
01:15:48.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:15:49.000 So Robin Hood would loot the carts and give the money back.
01:15:51.000 That is not stealing from the rich to give to the poor.
01:15:53.000 That's communist propaganda.
01:15:55.000 Nottingham Hills.
01:15:57.000 Robin Hood was stealing from the government.
01:15:58.000 The problem with chaos and why I tend towards neutrality with the law is because people that are chaotic truly, they really will say, like, the law doesn't suit me right now.
01:16:07.000 Therefore, like John Brown, you know, the guy, the slave rebellion guy.
01:16:12.000 He killed so many people.
01:16:13.000 Yeah, and he thought of himself as a good guy.
01:16:15.000 He killed too many.
01:16:16.000 And he was chaotic.
01:16:16.000 Yeah, so did Hill.
01:16:18.000 He was definitely not good.
01:16:20.000 I don't know if Hitler thought he was a good guy, but Stalin, I think.
01:16:23.000 No, Hitler thought he wouldn't.
01:16:25.000 Lenin and Marx thought they were good guys.
01:16:26.000 Yeah.
01:16:27.000 Hitler thought that he was a good guy.
01:16:28.000 I'm not sure.
01:16:29.000 I bet he did.
01:16:29.000 Full pot, probably.
01:16:30.000 Yeah.
01:16:31.000 But like John Brown, only history can say, like, after the fact, was he a good guy?
01:16:35.000 I mean, he killed people.
01:16:36.000 Killed a lot of people.
01:16:37.000 Even his sons died because of him.
01:16:38.000 To free the slaves, though.
01:16:39.000 So it's like, is it like a Robin Hood style thing?
01:16:42.000 Yeah, but he, I mean, he was against slavery, but he didn't kill people to free slaves.
01:16:49.000 He wasn't going and freeing slaves.
01:16:51.000 He was Killing people because there was slavery.
01:16:55.000 He wasn't a black guy first.
01:16:57.000 One of his first kills was a black guy.
01:16:59.000 Was it?
01:17:00.000 Yeah, I think so too.
01:17:00.000 I think so.
01:17:01.000 So, like, he was historically, I'm not super familiar with his story, but he seemed like he was kind of a crazy person.
01:17:11.000 So chaotic, I agree with.
01:17:13.000 I wouldn't say that he was a good guy.
01:17:14.000 Maybe chaotic neutral.
01:17:15.000 See, I'm not like John Brown.
01:17:17.000 I'm not like that.
01:17:18.000 I value the law.
01:17:19.000 I work on this show on purpose to help the legal system.
01:17:21.000 I want to improve it.
01:17:22.000 I care a lot about the law.
01:17:24.000 Yeah, but you're always bringing up how the law can do bad things.
01:17:28.000 That's why I'm neutral.
01:17:29.000 Well, no, that's why you're not lawful.
01:17:31.000 Correct.
01:17:32.000 I'm neutral.
01:17:33.000 Okay.
01:17:33.000 There's lawful, neutral, and chaotic.
01:17:35.000 I'm not chaotic.
01:17:36.000 I'm not lawful.
01:17:37.000 You're absolutely chaotic.
01:17:38.000 John Brown is chaotic.
01:17:39.000 I'm not willing to throw it.
01:17:41.000 Do you think Ben Franklin was chaotic?
01:17:43.000 Ben maybe he was.
01:17:44.000 He might be true neutral.
01:17:47.000 Maybe.
01:17:48.000 It's more likely that than chaotic.
01:17:50.000 Maybe.
01:17:50.000 I don't know.
01:17:51.000 But like maybe, maybe, maybe.
01:17:53.000 But there are so many times where you've said the law is bad or the law can do bad, et cetera, et cetera.
01:18:01.000 And that makes me think that you're generally saying that when the law is bad, ignore the law.
01:18:07.000 There was that one time where we got here early and the lights were off and Ian was wearing a black.
01:18:11.000 Cloak with a pentagram on the ground, and he was trying to summon the dead.
01:18:14.000 It wasn't a full, it was mostly pentagram, but yeah, yeah, it wasn't.
01:18:18.000 There wasn't the fifth, it didn't work.
01:18:20.000 Final answer, it didn't.
01:18:21.000 I know what about you, Kale?
01:18:22.000 I noticed uh, two sixes and a nine on your head, so I think you're just looking at it upside down.
01:18:27.000 It was you, right?
01:18:28.000 Up quirk, up quirk, down quirk.
01:18:30.000 So, where are you on this alignment scale?
01:18:32.000 I was thinking that's why I asked him if lawful good was it because I always like uh, I always like to do good.
01:18:37.000 I mean, I could rob for the bitch, but I would never do that.
01:18:41.000 All of the goods are good and have their arguments, the neutrals, like the the.
01:18:46.000 That's just it.
01:18:46.000 Evil is bad.
01:18:47.000 But neutral is kind of fine, and good is fine.
01:18:50.000 Lawful good is fine.
01:18:51.000 Kato, if it's two in the morning and you're sitting at a red light and there's no other cars, not in LA because there's always cars, but if you're in the middle, say you're in Wisconsin, right?
01:19:00.000 No cars around and it's a red light.
01:19:03.000 I go through, yeah.
01:19:04.000 You go through, you're not lawful.
01:19:06.000 You're not lawful.
01:19:06.000 Yeah.
01:19:07.000 Yeah.
01:19:07.000 So neutral, neutral good?
01:19:09.000 Neutral good, then for sure.
01:19:11.000 The red light test is good to find out if someone is actually lawful.
01:19:14.000 Now, here's the important question.
01:19:15.000 I sit there.
01:19:16.000 Do you return the shopping cart to the cart corral?
01:19:19.000 100%.
01:19:19.000 Yes.
01:19:20.000 Okay.
01:19:20.000 All right.
01:19:20.000 And I can't stand people that don't.
01:19:22.000 Yeah.
01:19:23.000 I do it.
01:19:23.000 I always paid.
01:19:24.000 My motto is paid forward.
01:19:25.000 I always do it.
01:19:27.000 I went shopping with Libby, and afterwards, she took the cart and she just ran it off and threw it into the street.
01:19:32.000 Oh, my.
01:19:32.000 This is.
01:19:33.000 You were with her when she took the cart out of the return and then.
01:19:36.000 L.A. Left it to the street.
01:19:38.000 You can shop with 950 in L.A. without getting arrested.
01:19:41.000 So, okay.
01:19:42.000 Libby, what's your alignment?
01:19:43.000 My alignment?
01:19:44.000 I don't know.
01:19:45.000 How would you see yourself?
01:19:46.000 Chaotic evil, maybe?
01:19:47.000 I don't think I'm chaotic.
01:19:49.000 Awful evil?
01:19:50.000 I'm kidding.
01:19:51.000 I don't know.
01:19:52.000 The thing is, like, I know.
01:19:53.000 Do you blow red lights?
01:19:55.000 What?
01:19:56.000 It's two in the morning, no one's around.
01:19:57.000 It's a red light.
01:19:58.000 Are you going to go through it?
01:19:59.000 No, but I've also only had my license for five years.
01:20:03.000 And you were less lawful when you were younger as well.
01:20:07.000 Oh, for sure.
01:20:08.000 Yeah.
01:20:09.000 But I mean, nothing I ever got arrested for.
01:20:11.000 Well, that doesn't matter.
01:20:12.000 You know, we just got caught.
01:20:14.000 Regarding the scale of it, we never got caught for shit.
01:20:15.000 A lot of times people in power are forced to make a decision of using chaos to produce good and using evil to produce law and order.
01:20:24.000 And, like, Trump with all the crackdowns, it's like people are like, it's evil, but it's producing lawful.
01:20:29.000 It's not, none of it's evil.
01:20:30.000 Well, some people see it as evil because it's violent or aggressive.
01:20:33.000 And then sometimes people will do chaotic things like break up a wall or go after a CEO because they think it's the right, it will produce more good in society.
01:20:42.000 And there's a balancing act between the two because a lot of times it is about perspective.
01:20:46.000 It's about history writes the tales of who was the good guy and who was the bad guy in the story.
01:20:50.000 And it's usually the winner that gets to be the good guy.
01:20:55.000 And I constantly think when I talk about see chaos on the streets, I'm like, at what point?
01:20:59.000 Is this chaos valuable?
01:21:00.000 Like, because if the system is too orderly and it's very evil, we need to break it up.
01:21:07.000 It's like chaos is never valuable, I don't think.
01:21:12.000 Or is it exceedingly rare for chaos to be valuable?
01:21:17.000 Yeah, the Jew, I think the Jews in the ancient texts didn't even have good and evil.
01:21:20.000 It was only order and chaos.
01:21:22.000 Is that the very beginning?
01:21:23.000 Have you ever read or seen One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
01:21:25.000 Oh, yeah.
01:21:26.000 Okay.
01:21:27.000 Chaotic good is Jack Nicholson taking care of patients, doing.
01:21:32.000 The opposite of the dominant Nurse Ratchet.
01:21:35.000 Yeah.
01:21:35.000 It was the evil emperor.
01:21:36.000 The whatever she doesn't want him good and Jack.
01:21:40.000 So that's a great example of chaotic good and always looking out for someone that doesn't.
01:21:49.000 Let's talk about this story.
01:21:50.000 Oh, this one burns me up.
01:21:52.000 Virginia mom gets a six month suspended jail sentence for letting her five year old walk to the pond.
01:21:58.000 You heard it.
01:21:59.000 They're in a gated community.
01:22:01.000 She has a five year old.
01:22:02.000 He walked on the sidewalk.
01:22:04.000 There's a pond which you'd have to cross the street and like 10 feet of grass to get to.
01:22:08.000 Someone saw him by himself.
01:22:09.000 Walking, what is it, like a half mile?
01:22:11.000 Not even, not even.
01:22:13.000 What's the distance they said?
01:22:15.000 It's like a few blocks or whatever.
01:22:17.000 Someone saw him, stopped him, escorted him back, yelled at her, called the cops.
01:22:21.000 She got arrested, criminally charged, and she got a six month suspended sentence.
01:22:25.000 I just want to stress when I was seven, you know, I was, when I was six, I was not allowed to cross the street, but I was allowed to go around the block and go to my friend's house on the other block.
01:22:36.000 When I was seven, I was riding my bike miles from home.
01:22:39.000 Yeah.
01:22:40.000 I think it was about.
01:22:41.000 And my parents were like, when the streetlights come on, you know, you have to be back before the streetlights are on.
01:22:45.000 Right.
01:22:46.000 And so I remember when I was like, I think I was probably 12.
01:22:50.000 My, like, I think the rule was for every minute you're late, you're grounded one day.
01:22:54.000 Oh, nice.
01:22:55.000 And so I'd be at the card shop, collect a card and comics with my friends, and I'd have rollerbladed there.
01:23:00.000 And then I'd just be playing Pokemon till the very last minute, looking at the clock.
01:23:04.000 And I'm like, I can make it back in five minutes if I go as fast as I can, you know?
01:23:09.000 That's, I have Funsville.
01:23:11.000 I played some better too.
01:23:11.000 And I'm like, I have fun.
01:23:12.000 It was always the trick to where, like, if you were late, You would get home and then just go in the backyard and take the blades and socks and shoes off and then sit on the back porch.
01:23:20.000 And then, if I was like, no, I was just in the backyard.
01:23:22.000 It all depends on the area, too.
01:23:24.000 Growing up, if you're in a safe area, yeah, we trusted you.
01:23:26.000 It was safe.
01:23:27.000 We had all the neighbors trusted.
01:23:28.000 So, like I said, a large family.
01:23:30.000 So, that we always did this kind of stuff.
01:23:32.000 Another reason why I don't want to talk about flock cameras, but this is why I despise government surveillance cameras.
01:23:37.000 This is why no flock cameras.
01:23:39.000 I know, because if you see a little kid exploring the world at his parent, I don't know, man.
01:23:45.000 It makes a difference, too.
01:23:46.000 It's safe.
01:23:47.000 Being by water sources, it wasn't a camera, it was a Karen.
01:23:52.000 Sounds like a Karen.
01:23:53.000 The rule that we had was it was just me.
01:23:56.000 I had to set the table by six, and if I didn't set the table by six, then I didn't get any dinner.
01:24:02.000 Brutal, it was actually brutal.
01:24:04.000 I had food in my closet.
01:24:07.000 Oh, nice, yeah.
01:24:09.000 But this kind of stuff I mean, this kind of stuff is really, really, really bad for society, right?
01:24:16.000 Like being like, yeah, that you can't let your kids go out and explore a half mile from your house.
01:24:23.000 The idea that your neighbors will, you know, yell at you for doing something that they wouldn't do for their children.
01:24:29.000 There's something more behind that, too, possibly with the neighbor.
01:24:32.000 Call the cops, you know, calling child protective services or whatever because you choose to parent a different way than they approve of.
01:24:40.000 And, you know, to Tim's point, like, I'm an old guy, and when I was a kid, it was a very similar thing.
01:24:46.000 You know, be back by the time streetlights are on or you're in trouble.
01:24:51.000 We live in a much safer world today.
01:24:53.000 Than we did 50 years ago or 40 years ago when I was hauling ass around on a bike.
01:24:58.000 We had a bell.
01:24:59.000 What?
01:25:00.000 Bell rang.
01:25:00.000 We heard it in the neighborhood.
01:25:01.000 Yeah, you know?
01:25:02.000 Dinner.
01:25:03.000 So, and this kind of stuff degrades trust in your neighbors.
01:25:08.000 It degrades trust in society overall.
01:25:11.000 It degrades trust in the neighborhood.
01:25:11.000 It degrades trust in the neighborhood.
01:25:13.000 It degrades trust in the neighborhood.
01:25:14.000 It degrades trust in the neighborhood.
01:25:15.000 It degrades trust in institutions because you're like, oh, cool.
01:25:18.000 The state's just going to step in and give me a criminal charge because I'm parenting my kid in a way that.
01:25:25.000 Actually, it helps my kid grow and mature.
01:25:30.000 Kids need to be alone, they need to solve problems on their own.
01:25:35.000 That's part of it.
01:25:36.000 Why wasn't the dad charged?
01:25:36.000 Here's the crazy thing.
01:25:39.000 They were both home at the same time.
01:25:40.000 She said she went to the father and she was like, Can you believe this?
01:25:44.000 She says that he needs to take risks so he can grow up to be non anxious.
01:25:48.000 That's a really smart thing to say.
01:25:48.000 Yeah.
01:25:50.000 Kids do need to take risks.
01:25:51.000 Absolutely do.
01:25:53.000 That's part of the reason why, you know, nowadays you hear stories about kids going to interviews with their parents when they're parents.
01:25:53.000 That's 100% true.
01:26:00.000 I would never hire a kid that would.
01:26:02.000 Wait, what?
01:26:03.000 This is why, like, you don't live.
01:26:06.000 In these communities, and with or with HOAs or whatever it may be, you think you're safe, but you are not.
01:26:11.000 Is the it's if you move into a bad area, you're in a bad area, and you think you're moving into a gated community or an HOA because they're gonna have special protections or rules.
01:26:19.000 And then this happens a neighbor says, I don't like the way your kid walks to the store by himself, you're under arrest.
01:26:28.000 Did it have something to do with the kid being near a water source?
01:26:30.000 Like, he wasn't near the water source, didn't get to it, no, okay, because he was going there.
01:26:34.000 Apparently, falling into the water can be a really, really bad thing.
01:26:36.000 You got to be careful, indeed, around open water.
01:26:38.000 They bring up free range kids.
01:26:40.000 Which is a great, uh, it's a, um, well, she's got a, uh, Lenore Skinese.
01:26:44.000 Yeah.
01:26:45.000 An ex, Lenore Skinese.
01:26:46.000 Yeah.
01:26:46.000 An ex page.
01:26:47.000 And it's, it's the, the point of it is like, let your kids get time alone.
01:26:52.000 Let them solve problems on their own.
01:26:55.000 They're probably more mature than you realize.
01:26:57.000 They probably can solve problems better.
01:27:00.000 And if they get in trouble, they learn, right?
01:27:03.000 Obviously, there's, there's the possibility of something bad happening, but that's part of our existence.
01:27:09.000 Is there?
01:27:09.000 You can't totally escape that.
01:27:12.000 And this whole like snowplow parenting where, You just make everything as safe as you possibly can.
01:27:18.000 Like, kids don't mature when that happens.
01:27:20.000 Is there like a legal definition of when you're legally allowed to let a kid be alone by it?
01:27:26.000 No.
01:27:27.000 I mean, some places do have laws about that.
01:27:29.000 Like, you're not allowed to let your kid be alone in your house.
01:27:32.000 And if they're, you know, a certain age, there are places where the police will get called in for stuff like that.
01:27:38.000 You know, but I really think that it depends on the kid and the parent.
01:27:42.000 And you know your kid well enough to know.
01:27:45.000 You know, if you're like, I always thought kind of like, uh, at 10, I'd let the kid stay home for like an hour, you know, by 12, I'd let him stay home for maybe like two hours on his own, you know, and like just, but that's if you trust your kid.
01:28:00.000 If I'm running out to the market, do you have to come if you're sitting there doing your homework or whatever?
01:28:06.000 Like, do you really have to get dragged to the market if you don't want to?
01:28:08.000 I don't think so.
01:28:09.000 I was 10 years old.
01:28:11.000 My parents made a big mistake.
01:28:12.000 I was 10 years old and they put a pocket knife, a Swiss Army knife in my stocking.
01:28:17.000 And they're like, oh, you know, you can get your stockings before we get up.
01:28:21.000 You couldn't open any presents, but you could go get the stockings.
01:28:23.000 So, like three in the morning, I woke up or whatever, and I go and I grab my stocking, and there's a pocket knife in there.
01:28:29.000 For some reason, I'm trying to open a thing of caps, which, if I'd have used the caps, like cap guns, if I'd used the caps, it would have woken everybody up, or at least woke my sister up, and I got in trouble.
01:28:39.000 For some reason, I was trying to open them and ended up cutting my hand.
01:28:42.000 And so, I'm in the hospital getting stitches, like seven stitches across my fingers.
01:28:47.000 They were like, well, that was a bad idea.
01:28:49.000 Stupid to trust that moron with a knife.
01:28:51.000 We're brothers.
01:28:52.000 That's why my parents, my dad, Switzerland, we all got knives, Swiss Army knives in our stocking for Christmas.
01:28:59.000 And the biggest part we loved was the toothpick.
01:29:01.000 That was the man, yeah.
01:29:03.000 For the old tribe and the tooth.
01:29:06.000 My sister was stuck there for like six hours waiting for us because she couldn't open any presents.
01:29:11.000 She's sitting there looking at the Christmas tree, waiting for us to get back 12, 13 years old.
01:29:15.000 She was pissed.
01:29:18.000 Opening the box, and it's like, oh my God, I got another air guitar.
01:29:24.000 But I mean, yeah, this whole.
01:29:24.000 Yeah.
01:29:26.000 Like the free range kids thing is good.
01:29:27.000 You have to be able to let your kids go out and explore the world and learn on their own.
01:29:33.000 And I was fortunate that I grew up and there was woods around where we could go and play in the woods and stuff.
01:29:39.000 But the idea that, oh, you can't go and do anything because the government's watching you, Big Brother's watching you, your neighbors are going to call the cops, that's bad for society.
01:29:49.000 Yeah.
01:29:49.000 You have to change the name, the free range kid, though.
01:29:51.000 It sounds too much like.
01:29:52.000 You know, we're being domesticated.
01:29:54.000 The more I watch a lot of these Democrat, affluent white female, liberal women, It's just humans are being domesticated the way dogs are domesticated.
01:30:05.000 Dogs, I was thinking about this because I'm like, most dogs don't have babies.
01:30:09.000 Most dogs are kept in the house, away from each other, controlled, told what to do, when to do it, and they're happy.
01:30:17.000 They own nothing and they're happy.
01:30:19.000 Wolves own a lot, they own territory, they keep predators out.
01:30:22.000 That whole swath of land is theirs.
01:30:25.000 And so I'm just looking at what's happening with a lot of people and their permanent adolescence, the way a dog is to a wolf.
01:30:31.000 They're working towards owning nothing.
01:30:33.000 They want to own nothing.
01:30:34.000 They don't want to have kids.
01:30:35.000 They want to be effectively like a pet.
01:30:38.000 Yeah, if they think that the extent of their frustration is finding money, they're pretty much domesticated like a neutered dog.
01:30:44.000 Because combat is a horrifying part of reality that they don't even seem to have.
01:30:50.000 Not just combat, but not wanting to challenge themselves at any level.
01:30:56.000 I said parenting.
01:30:57.000 Everything's parenting.
01:30:58.000 I mean, I'm sure a parent that has the kid that's going to be introverted the entire life is not going to be like a dad who was a Navy SEAL.
01:31:08.000 Married to somebody because he's going to have a tougher kid.
01:31:11.000 So it's all parenting with anything and anything in crime, it's all education.
01:31:16.000 If you're not educated, you're going to commit crime.
01:31:19.000 If you didn't, if you, if it's, I mean, most of the people committing crimes are not really educated.
01:31:24.000 I don't think it's education that's the issue.
01:31:26.000 I think it's culture.
01:31:27.000 I think it, well, culture, but culture makes you drop out of school too.
01:31:31.000 Culture makes you.
01:31:33.000 Yes and no.
01:31:34.000 The issue is, so here's a good example.
01:31:39.000 College dropout billionaires tend to have three times the money of college graduate billionaires or PhD billionaires.
01:31:46.000 The issue is that because there's a correlation between criminal culture and lack of education, the presumption most people make is because they're not educated, they commit crimes, which is, I think, when you look deeper in the numbers, it's just actually not true because you can see that there are many people who don't adopt the culture of those areas, move out, and are fine.
01:32:06.000 There are tons of people that are uneducated that don't go on to commit crimes.
01:32:11.000 And there are people who grew up in areas like working class areas, white working class areas, don't have the same level of crime.
01:32:17.000 And the culture is different.
01:32:18.000 So, for example, this is my experience in Chicago.
01:32:21.000 You've got two deeply impoverished areas.
01:32:24.000 In one, the culture is be hard and have guns and shoot and kill people.
01:32:27.000 And the other is do drugs.
01:32:29.000 Well, both of them don't go to school.
01:32:32.000 And the kids who grew up in this one area start doing a bunch of drugs and die.
01:32:35.000 The kids who grew up in this area start buying guns and shooting people because they're surrounded by people who do.
01:32:39.000 But do you think that if you're educated, you value human life more?
01:32:39.000 Okay.
01:32:43.000 No.
01:32:44.000 You don't think so at all.
01:32:44.000 No.
01:32:45.000 I think the opposite is true.
01:32:46.000 I think people who are educated tend to value human life less.
01:32:49.000 Well, I think when you take a look at.
01:32:51.000 Because if you shoot someone, the example of the guy, the 15 year old kid shooting the woman going to convenience store.
01:32:57.000 But this is a cultural issue, and I'll give you an example.
01:32:59.000 How many college educated.
01:33:01.000 What is the percentage of college educated individuals who skew to the far left?
01:33:04.000 Of the far left, what is their view on mass genocide from the communist countries?
01:33:08.000 They have substantially less, I suppose, love for human life.
01:33:15.000 Are you talking about.
01:33:17.000 Yeah, they're super pro abortion.
01:33:18.000 Yeah, well, you know, I think you have to be intelligent.
01:33:21.000 I just think when someone doesn't have a value of human life, there's something on that one at home.
01:33:26.000 That's not education.
01:33:27.000 It's culture.
01:33:29.000 Yeah, I could see it as being culture, but I think also it's a fine line because I think what you're also saying is the college, certain colleges now, well, the professors, well, you see people falling more to the left because.
01:33:44.000 And they support what China did.
01:33:45.000 They celebrate it.
01:33:46.000 It's like guidance.
01:33:47.000 But let me put it this way I guarantee you, you take a gangbanger from Chicago and put him in Harvard, he ain't changing.
01:33:52.000 He's killing people.
01:33:53.000 I think the criminal mind is less likely to be able to be.
01:33:55.000 No, I agree with that.
01:33:56.000 Like a child that education is not going to change that kid.
01:34:01.000 Like, if the kid from the young age doesn't know right and wrong, he's going to be less able to educate himself because he's not going to think the schooling system has much value.
01:34:08.000 He's not going to realize the value of learning as well because his parents didn't.
01:34:13.000 And so he emulates that.
01:34:14.000 So there's a correlation between lack of education and crime.
01:34:17.000 But I think it's the people with the criminal mindset just aren't able to learn as well.
01:34:22.000 I mean, it's a weird way to think that you have to violate society to get ahead.
01:34:22.000 Maybe.
01:34:26.000 That's not common, it's not normal.
01:34:28.000 You're supposed to be able to build society up to get ahead.
01:34:31.000 And people will lift you up as you do it.
01:34:33.000 But if you don't know that as a kid because of a lack of cultural education, perhaps, which then the word education is a little semantic, but like learning from your community, if they didn't teach you, if they just kind of left you off into the woods to go do your thing.
01:34:44.000 Yeah, I think if you interview prisoners and people in prison, I wonder, I think, you know, I think that's why there's different groups in prison from blacks to a white to a, you know, getting into a gang and you're in a prison too.
01:34:59.000 Because I don't think they value any life.
01:35:01.000 That's why they're in prison.
01:35:02.000 That's why they'll even kill in prison.
01:35:04.000 So, I don't know if that's, you know, a lot of people that are in prison want to get educated.
01:35:09.000 They want to read.
01:35:09.000 They want to, I think they want to go to the library.
01:35:12.000 So, it's a real fine line of the culture and education.
01:35:16.000 I don't, you know, if we'll put it like this like institutionalized education is, I think, what a lot of people would presume when you say education.
01:35:26.000 I would just say that education in its rawest definition, for a lot of these kids in these areas, if they learned about the world and philosophies, then they would not.
01:35:38.000 Be engaging in the things that they're doing if they knew what the light is at the end of the tunnel.
01:35:43.000 However, that being said, you have to ask yourself what is the motivator of a young man in one of these areas?
01:35:49.000 And it's recognition among their peers.
01:35:51.000 Well, in the Southside of Chicago, how do you get recognition?
01:35:53.000 You ain't getting it by going to school.
01:35:54.000 And even if you get a good job and make money, you're not getting recognition for that.
01:35:57.000 You're getting mocked for it.
01:35:59.000 No, to get recognition down there, you walk around with a GATT, you walk around with a switch.
01:36:03.000 So you take that kid out and you say, We're sending you to Harvard, you're getting a free education.
01:36:07.000 He's going to be like, But none of my friends are praising me.
01:36:10.000 They're mocking me.
01:36:10.000 I'm being made fun of now.
01:36:11.000 And they're going to go back and they're going to say, I don't want that.
01:36:16.000 Yeah, it's hard to, you know, if a person really wants to, I think why so many people in prison say they found Jesus because they're in prison.
01:36:26.000 I mean, that's an easy out also.
01:36:27.000 Do they really find Jesus or they're let out?
01:36:28.000 They're going to.
01:36:29.000 Actually, I think if you can bring Christianity to a lot of these neighborhoods, like actual Christianity, then that would probably stop a lot of the killing for sure.
01:36:38.000 You know, I've noticed lately is that some people that get hit with the hard hammer of the law, it's a wake up call for them and they realize what they've done.
01:36:45.000 And they don't want to do it again, and then they decide to educate themselves and get out of it.
01:36:48.000 It's not, I don't know how often it is.
01:36:49.000 I don't know what the numbers are.
01:36:50.000 Some people just don't care.
01:36:51.000 They just, it's just part of the game for them.
01:36:54.000 Recidivism is really, really high.
01:36:56.000 So there are some, but most people that go to jail go on to commit more crimes afterwards.
01:37:03.000 It's not a, that's why I said, not really a rehab facility.
01:37:06.000 What?
01:37:07.000 Jail isn't really rehab.
01:37:09.000 That's why I say, you know, that's why I said, like, you know, the point of putting people in jail isn't so much to punish the people as it is to take them out of society because they're a danger to society.
01:37:20.000 This is one that goes out to all the parents that are letting their kids go outside to play.
01:37:23.000 Another reason why these Flock cameras are ridiculous is that people have been saying that they just read license plates, but Flock has multiple types of cameras.
01:37:31.000 They have the Falcon, which does read only license plates, it does still photography.
01:37:36.000 Then they have the Condor, which is a video camera, and those are implemented around the United States, and they are taking video of you and your car as you drive by.
01:37:44.000 They have AI systems that can check out what you're wearing and cross that with other databases.
01:37:50.000 They can find out who you're related to just by seeing you drive.
01:37:53.000 It's very, very, very.
01:37:55.000 Actually, I'm pro Flock camera now.
01:37:57.000 Really?
01:37:57.000 I finally sold you on it?
01:37:59.000 It's that after seeing the insipid arguments that made no sense about the First Amendment, I realized that there was a lot of money to be made by promoting it.
01:37:59.000 No, no, no.
01:38:09.000 And so, you know, reached out to one of these guys and said, hey, just pay me double and I'll do way better propaganda.
01:38:14.000 Is it true that Flock's doing a propaganda campaign right now, paying people to talk?
01:38:17.000 So, I'll just say this the Timcast team had someone reach out to them saying that they had been offered money to promote Flock and they turned it down.
01:38:24.000 And there's also a lot of reporting that people are being paid to attack Flock.
01:38:30.000 And the presumption is the first was competitors of Flock were paying people to complain about it.
01:38:36.000 I don't know if that's true.
01:38:37.000 I've seen the message where someone said that they were offered money and they turned it down.
01:38:40.000 But I will say that, like, you know, we talked about Cam Higby the other day.
01:38:46.000 I do not believe for a second that is fake reframing, childish reframing of an argument, which is like, guys, when you go to college and you're looking up like marketing, The first page you read is like reframing.
01:38:57.000 So when you try to use a reframing technique, like, just stop, bro.
01:39:03.000 Just literally stop.
01:39:04.000 When we say the issue with flock cameras is the database of mass surveillance tracking you all the time, not filming in public, and then you respond with, but the First Amendment says I can film in public.
01:39:16.000 Okay, now you're lying because we're not talking about that.
01:39:19.000 The subject's already changed.
01:39:20.000 Why are you going back?
01:39:21.000 You are.
01:39:22.000 So it's like someone's constantly trying to pull you back.
01:39:25.000 And that's what Cam was doing and what many of these people are doing.
01:39:28.000 Trying to create a First Amendment argument, like, but we need to be able to film in public for journalism.
01:39:33.000 No one's complained.
01:39:35.000 No one said ban all of the red light cameras, even though we don't like them.
01:39:39.000 You know, there are a lot of things we've said, we know there are cameras everywhere.
01:39:42.000 The issue is that these are AI scanning license plates to create a real time tracking for you and everyone else where they are and what they're doing.
01:39:51.000 So to then try and drag the conversation constantly back to somewhere that no one cares about, you're doing that on purpose and for some weird reason.
01:39:58.000 No, I can't imagine you do that on accident, and I can't imagine you do it for nothing.
01:40:02.000 So.
01:40:02.000 I assume they're getting paid.
01:40:04.000 Maybe Will Chamberlain will come back on again soon because he's been very proactive about implementing Flock, and I'm not sure why.
01:40:10.000 I want to talk to him face to face about it because he said they were just license plate readers or intimated that they were licensed, still photography only.
01:40:16.000 I don't think he understood the Condor camera, I don't think he knew it existed.
01:40:20.000 I responded to Will on Twitter.
01:40:21.000 You're welcome to respond to me and let me know if you knew that was a real thing before today.
01:40:26.000 Also, the CFO of Flock might come on.
01:40:29.000 He's been doing rounds on shows.
01:40:31.000 So I'd love to have you on to defend your position if you think there's actual value to setting up a A centralized database of people's actions and behaviors and locations right now, especially with the way that people are locked up.
01:40:46.000 I can convince you when you get here in England, I'm saying during the COVID pandemic, if that's what you want to call it, where people would get arrested for setting foot outside their house or detained their own house, their own neighborhood, out into the bright light where the vitamin D was healing them.
01:41:02.000 It's crazy.
01:41:04.000 It's just so damn, it's so obvious.
01:41:07.000 That they get you to want it.
01:41:08.000 And they've been saying it for a decade.
01:41:09.000 The way that the technocracy is they scare you and then they try and sell you a product that you're begging for, for protection, for safety, and then they turn it on you.
01:41:19.000 So this is the step where they're trying to sell you the product.
01:41:21.000 You got to know that ahead of time.
01:41:23.000 Shut it down.
01:41:25.000 Yeah.
01:41:27.000 I mean, I'm not pro flock camera at all.
01:41:29.000 The AI behind them is the actual, you know, big problem the constant monitoring.
01:41:34.000 There's, I mean, there's plenty of cameras everywhere as it is, but having cameras on, you know, the side of the road everywhere and monitoring where people are driving to and what?
01:41:45.000 It's becoming too chill.
01:41:46.000 It's too much.
01:41:48.000 The problem is then it becomes police body cams, which I generally like if that's feeding data to an AI database that's doing all the same.
01:41:54.000 Back end tracking, if there's satellites that are watching you that are giving you the same AI.
01:41:58.000 It's really about the AI tracking mechanism in the centralized database.
01:42:01.000 It's owned by corporations.
01:42:02.000 I don't have a problem with police body cams.
01:42:04.000 They typically only turn them on when they arrive at a scene, too, at least the audio.
01:42:10.000 The body cams were interesting, too, because during the BLM era, you had leftists demanding more body cams, and now there's more body cams, and it shows a distinct lack of police brutality.
01:42:21.000 Yeah.
01:42:22.000 That's why I like them.
01:42:23.000 Yeah.
01:42:24.000 I used to think all sorts of things are different.
01:42:25.000 But I think body cams are different.
01:42:27.000 Like once you're in a situation where you're interacting, With law enforcement, I think it sort of protects everybody involved to have the body camps.
01:42:34.000 I don't think it's super protective for everyone involved to be tracked everywhere they go.
01:42:39.000 It's funny, when the Metro cards replaced tokens in New York City in, what was it, like, like a 90s, 97, I think was really when they were like replaced.
01:42:54.000 And I remember thinking, oh, now we have a Metro card.
01:42:57.000 I'm going to buy it and then it's going to track me all around the city.
01:43:00.000 I'd rather have a pocket full of tokens.
01:43:03.000 And I would still rather have a pocket full of tokens.
01:43:05.000 Yeah, really.
01:43:07.000 Yeah, using my credit card when I travel around, I know they're trapped.
01:43:09.000 I mean, trapped.
01:43:10.000 Yeah.
01:43:11.000 And the thing is, yes, they get you because it's way more convenient to have a Metro card than a pocket full of tokens.
01:43:17.000 And I have the easy pass and whatever.
01:43:19.000 And like, I'm definitely being tracked all over the place.
01:43:22.000 But I'd rather not have that option.
01:43:24.000 You could just pay in cash, couldn't you?
01:43:25.000 Sure.
01:43:26.000 I'd rather not have the option.
01:43:28.000 You know?
01:43:28.000 I went hard on body cams with soldiers in like 2007 when I was young and naive.
01:43:33.000 And I used to talk a lot about, I want.
01:43:34.000 A camera on every soldier so every child they kill, you get to watch everybody, gets to see it, and that will end war because when you realize what they're really doing, you're gonna want it to stop.
01:43:43.000 But now I don't know so much.
01:43:44.000 No, well, first of all, it won't end war, like, they're not gonna be like, Oh, well, we can't, you know, engage in military action because there have been, uh, you know, people that broke international law or committed war crimes.
01:43:57.000 What about having like shoot me on my good side?
01:43:59.000 Yeah, right, shoot me left, right, okay, not what I meant, but you know, yeah, can you use it?
01:44:06.000 Can you use the Juno filter?
01:44:08.000 Totally, totally unrelated.
01:44:09.000 We're going to go to the chats in a second.
01:44:11.000 But have you guys heard about that game, which is like, I think it's like Fortnite, but it's a dollar per entry and the winner takes the pot?
01:44:18.000 I heard about it.
01:44:19.000 I don't know much about it.
01:44:20.000 Wait, one more time.
01:44:21.000 It's like a new video game where it's, I think it's like Fortnite.
01:44:23.000 It's like a battle royale shooter, but it's a dollar to enter a game and then the winner takes all the money.
01:44:30.000 That's pretty cool.
01:44:31.000 Whoa.
01:44:31.000 And that's not gambling.
01:44:33.000 How many can play?
01:44:34.000 I don't know, but it's a brilliant idea.
01:44:35.000 It's an insanely good idea.
01:44:36.000 It's like a sports tournament.
01:44:38.000 Right.
01:44:39.000 It's low stakes esports.
01:44:41.000 It's not gambling.
01:44:42.000 It's 100% skill based.
01:44:44.000 Interesting.
01:44:44.000 100% skill based.
01:44:45.000 If you can guarantee there's no one using like a map hack or anything, that's legit.
01:44:49.000 Yeah.
01:44:50.000 And if the guns are all static, everyone uses the same guns, if they allow for random drops, then it becomes a little bit more gambling.
01:44:57.000 I think if they allow random gun drops, like it was Fortnite esque, then it's pure gambling.
01:45:03.000 And pre, what are they called?
01:45:05.000 Randomly generated maps.
01:45:06.000 So no one knows the map.
01:45:07.000 What about games like chess and checkers and like Monopoly?
01:45:10.000 Me and a friend had this idea to make like.
01:45:13.000 It was going to be called Game Stakes City.
01:45:16.000 That's not gambling.
01:45:17.000 Those are skill games.
01:45:17.000 No.
01:45:18.000 We were going to do that like 15 years ago.
01:45:19.000 We just couldn't figure out how to make it leap.
01:45:21.000 We should build that.
01:45:22.000 Yeah.
01:45:23.000 Literally, it's like chess, checkers, backgammon, and it's a dollar per play, and the winner takes $2.
01:45:29.000 That's like the one game I've heard you guys talk about where I'd be like, yeah, I'll play.
01:45:29.000 I would do that.
01:45:32.000 It's just online tournaments.
01:45:34.000 It's not gambling, it's all skill games.
01:45:35.000 But you're going to play the whole night to win $2, or can you win more?
01:45:38.000 Well, you could put in a bunch of money.
01:45:39.000 It depends, because if you're playing chess, it's also just fun.
01:45:44.000 You could stake each other.
01:45:45.000 I think it's fine to say custom stakes, it's skill based, not gambling.
01:45:49.000 If you want to play a tournament, Like, if you entered a chess tournament and paid $100 to play to win a prize, same thing.
01:45:56.000 So, it's just online single stakes.
01:45:58.000 You know what it is?
01:45:59.000 It's sit and go esports.
01:46:01.000 Yeah.
01:46:02.000 I could see a kid who gets his allowance money for a dollar for the week and he spends it and he loses in six seconds and he cries and he cries and he remembers it for the rest of his life.
01:46:11.000 And then the other guy's like, I'm farming noobs if he just keeps winning.
01:46:15.000 Well, no, it's just you choose what you want to do, man.
01:46:16.000 It's up to you.
01:46:17.000 I've got bigger pots than that, too.
01:46:18.000 Well, I'm going to be 18 to play.
01:46:20.000 Yeah, maybe you have to be 18.
01:46:21.000 You could make it.
01:46:22.000 If Ian wanted to play a thousand dollar game of chess, that's his choice.
01:46:26.000 And that means he's likely going to go up against some guy who's like a master, a grandmaster, because ain't nobody risking that money not knowing how to play it.
01:46:31.000 Also, the server.
01:46:32.000 Preventing cheating would be a challenge on games like chess.
01:46:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:46:36.000 Hack Madeline Poker Pro.
01:46:37.000 And also, the company is taking a cut of the gambling or of the.
01:46:41.000 I think the we had planned it out was like you would put in money to get tokens, and then we would take like 3% when you cashed out.
01:46:48.000 As long as the games are skill games that are legally determined to be skill games.
01:46:51.000 Yeah.
01:46:52.000 Meaning no chance.
01:46:52.000 Interesting.
01:46:53.000 It's like chess.
01:46:55.000 Right.
01:46:55.000 No random.
01:46:55.000 The challenge, though, is people are going to sit there playing chess on their phone having a cheating app.
01:47:00.000 Yeah, man.
01:47:01.000 It's tough.
01:47:02.000 When real money comes into gaming online.
01:47:02.000 Yep.
01:47:04.000 Yep.
01:47:05.000 But you'll also have like sports teams will build up around it.
01:47:08.000 People will fund it.
01:47:10.000 They'll be like, we're betting $10,000 a night for our six guys.
01:47:13.000 And if any one of you win, we're all splitting the.
01:47:15.000 I guess you couldn't really do any dice games unless you're chaotic.
01:47:18.000 Good.
01:47:20.000 And yeah, then all bets are, all the rules are off.
01:47:22.000 And if you're chaotic, how chaotic are you?
01:47:26.000 I'd give my winnings to someone that needed it more than me.
01:47:29.000 When you sat, when you were at the, oh, that's nice of you.
01:47:32.000 When you were at that OJ trial, were you just like, I love the law?
01:47:34.000 Or were you like, I can't believe I'm here?
01:47:36.000 Or some other thing?
01:47:37.000 I became friends with the detectives through the process of being interviewed so many times.
01:47:41.000 So I think they worked their butts off to make things better.
01:47:45.000 And I think no way that they were, anything was planted.
01:47:49.000 I'm sorry.
01:47:49.000 There's just no possible, because that's a theory that's been going on around theories.
01:47:54.000 That was a theory then.
01:47:55.000 Yeah.
01:47:56.000 Having gone through what, Your version of it?
01:47:58.000 Did it make you more or less lawful?
01:48:04.000 Yeah, I've always kind of been in straight and narrow, so it didn't make me any different.
01:48:08.000 Just I respected what they did and whatever they needed for being questioned and all that.
01:48:15.000 So it was many, many hours down.
01:48:17.000 You know, the first day I was down there at the police station at least for eight hours of them because they didn't know who I was.
01:48:23.000 Rough.
01:48:25.000 And you were there basically at the dawn of the Kardashians.
01:48:28.000 Well, I lived a great and green the Kardashians.
01:48:30.000 I met the Kardashians.
01:48:31.000 There are many, many.
01:48:32.000 Yeah.
01:48:33.000 Yeah.
01:48:34.000 I mentioned before in the other show that I knew Kim when she was only that big, and that was just her ass.
01:48:39.000 I didn't say that.
01:48:40.000 So cute.
01:48:40.000 Yeah.
01:48:41.000 I said, yeah, G-Haul ass.
01:48:42.000 She has to make two trips.
01:48:43.000 Right.
01:48:44.000 Okay.
01:48:45.000 We did that for the show.
01:48:46.000 We did that for Tim Cast.
01:48:48.000 Tim did that for the show.
01:48:49.000 We're going to go to your rumble rant and super chat.
01:48:49.000 All right.
01:48:52.000 So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you've ever met.
01:48:54.000 The uncensored portion is coming up at 10 p.m.
01:48:57.000 In the meantime, what do y'all have to say?
01:48:57.000 You don't want to miss it.
01:49:01.000 You can't claim insanity unless you admit to the act.
01:49:01.000 It just disturbs us.
01:49:03.000 Maybe the men on the Clancy jury should keep mentioning how hot they think she is in order to reverse psychology the female jurors into hating her.
01:49:11.000 I also wanted to read what Lisa wrote.
01:49:15.000 Shout out to Lisa Reynolds.
01:49:16.000 She said, if she's found guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, she has to go to a facility for six months, after which they'll determine whether or not she can go free.
01:49:24.000 That is so stupid.
01:49:25.000 Yeah.
01:49:26.000 That's impossible.
01:49:27.000 Sorry.
01:49:27.000 Phalanx says, people are saying this case is the OJ case of our generation, proves these people know she is guilty, but want her to be innocent because they feel guilty over something.
01:49:35.000 Oh.
01:49:36.000 Yeah, there was a crazy thing during the OJ case.
01:49:40.000 All the kids in my dorm were watching it because it was, what was it, like the fall of 95?
01:49:45.000 And it was.
01:49:47.000 It was like all the black kids in my dorm were so excited when OJ was found not guilty.
01:49:55.000 And all the white kids were like, Why are you glad a killer got off?
01:49:59.000 Like, you know, like, why are you glad about that?
01:50:02.000 The way that it turned into a race thing was so creepy and weird.
01:50:05.000 Split screen.
01:50:06.000 Kind of like, and like that's kind of now it's like a gender thing.
01:50:10.000 Yeah.
01:50:10.000 It's weird.
01:50:11.000 Yeah, they split the screen, mixed views.
01:50:15.000 Johnny Cochran.
01:50:16.000 Remember that guy?
01:50:17.000 Johnny Cochran.
01:50:17.000 It was like a circus.
01:50:19.000 Orchestrator, or whatever he was, really, because he knew how to talk to a jury.
01:50:23.000 It was the jury was on his side, and that's what he spoke in poetry.
01:50:27.000 The you know, if the glove don't fit, you must have quit.
01:50:30.000 And he he spoke because if it rhymes, it must be true.
01:50:33.000 Yeah, he did that.
01:50:35.000 Didn't rhyme, uh, no, but if it rhymes, it must be true.
01:50:37.000 No, exactly.
01:50:38.000 But the whole thing was, uh, he smart that he did it that way.
01:50:42.000 If the words flow, you gotta let them go.
01:50:44.000 There you go.
01:50:45.000 You could have been a lawyer, Tim.
01:50:47.000 Could have been, yep.
01:50:48.000 Just say third grade reading level rhymes, and yeah, Ian is peeing.
01:50:55.000 I love that scene.
01:50:56.000 And have you guys ever watched Better Call Soul?
01:50:58.000 Yes.
01:50:59.000 Where his client is accused of robbing a liquor store or whatever.
01:51:03.000 And he's like, Can you point to the person who committed the crime?
01:51:06.000 And he's like, It's him right there.
01:51:07.000 He's like, That's right.
01:51:07.000 He's like, And you're sure?
01:51:09.000 Would you be surprised if I told you that's actually not the defendant?
01:51:12.000 The defendant's actually sitting in the back.
01:51:14.000 And then the actual defendant stands up and he's like, And actually, this guy's got a great alibi.
01:51:18.000 So that was funny.
01:51:19.000 That is funny.
01:51:20.000 All right.
01:51:23.000 Keek says, How do you say that?
01:51:24.000 I don't know.
01:51:25.000 Charlotte.
01:51:26.000 North Carolina has to be one of the worst places for releasing repeat offenders.
01:51:29.000 A 16 year old racked up over 250 charges in under a year.
01:51:32.000 Matt Van Swoll has been great about calling it out so often.
01:51:35.000 He has been good on that account.
01:51:36.000 That's a good account.
01:51:38.000 250 charges in a year.
01:51:40.000 Follow Matt.
01:51:41.000 Joey Giggle says, What if this Lindsey Clancy case is another psyop to create more division between men and women?
01:51:45.000 Tin foil hat time.
01:51:46.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:51:47.000 Like, who makes a flyer that says, like, justice for the kids and Lindsey?
01:51:54.000 Like, what?
01:51:55.000 Crazy people.
01:51:57.000 Maybe the deep state's like, you know, this Israel stuff's gone a little too far.
01:52:01.000 Can we make them talk about something else?
01:52:04.000 Yeah, where's all the Antifa chicks outside the courthouse?
01:52:06.000 They should be out there.
01:52:07.000 Greta Thunberg.
01:52:09.000 You know, we're going to get justice without letting out Lindsay Clancy.
01:52:13.000 Confession time.
01:52:14.000 When I was in grade school, only the cool kids were ever in possession of the library's copy of Where the Wild Things Are.
01:52:19.000 It took me years to get hold of it, so I stole it.
01:52:22.000 Good job.
01:52:24.000 Stealing library books.
01:52:25.000 I've done that.
01:52:26.000 You know what would be a great thing to do is to go down to the courthouse and actually interview these women.
01:52:31.000 That thinks she's innocent.
01:52:32.000 People have been doing that.
01:52:33.000 Yeah.
01:52:34.000 I'd like to hear just what's their reasoning.
01:52:38.000 Some of them show up with their kids.
01:52:38.000 I just want to know.
01:52:41.000 Imagine being that kid and you're like, oh, can I go to grandma's?
01:52:48.000 Dad, help.
01:52:50.000 All right.
01:52:54.000 CE Gansberg says, How did you book Kato Kalen to appear during the most heinous instance of jury nullification since?
01:52:59.000 Oh, you know who?
01:53:00.000 Are you a wizard?
01:53:01.000 I was saying it's perfect timing for you to be here.
01:53:03.000 Yeah, and I'm glad to be here.
01:53:05.000 Who is it?
01:53:06.000 I'll follow that person now.
01:53:08.000 CE Gansberg on Rumble.
01:53:10.000 There you go.
01:53:11.000 All right.
01:53:15.000 Jodak says, I'm a 27 year old PNW.
01:53:19.000 Oh, in PNW.
01:53:21.000 With third kid on the way, single income wife of nine years is stay at home.
01:53:26.000 For you.
01:53:26.000 Ooh, all right.
01:53:29.000 Mason says, Ian, Caddock Neutral has done illegal drugs, which is a neutral act of chaos.
01:53:34.000 Would be evil if given power.
01:53:36.000 Libby, Caddock Evil defends women voting just because, despite the evident evil of it.
01:53:43.000 Actually, yeah, Ian's done illegal drugs.
01:53:44.000 You're not.
01:53:45.000 You're not lawful.
01:53:46.000 Certainly not lawful.
01:53:47.000 Not lawful.
01:53:47.000 I think I'm more neutral.
01:53:48.000 Maybe a little awful.
01:53:49.000 I'm more lawful than awful.
01:53:50.000 I'm more lawful than chaotic, I think.
01:53:53.000 I tend more because I know the danger of chaos is unpronounced.
01:53:56.000 You can't even begin.
01:53:56.000 I was just thinking about people eating children and raping.
01:53:59.000 Like the amount of cannibalism and child rape that happened in chaotic societies.
01:54:03.000 Before good and evil, it was only order and chaos.
01:54:05.000 Yeah, but you're changing the context of good and evil and changing the meaning.
01:54:09.000 At least for the purposes of this discussion, we're talking about alignments in DD.
01:54:14.000 When you change it to, like, oh, back in the day, before DD, Chaos and law were the only thing, as opposed to good and evil.
01:54:25.000 The context matters.
01:54:26.000 Well, I'm saying, I think chaos is worse than evil.
01:54:29.000 Chaos is the most dangerous thing we could ever experience.
01:54:32.000 It's where your neighbor will try and eat you.
01:54:33.000 It's crazy.
01:54:34.000 But chaos, in the context of DD, chaos does not equate to evil.
01:54:41.000 It means your outlook on the law, whether the law is right or wrong.
01:54:46.000 Right, right.
01:54:48.000 So for the context, saying you're chaotic does not mean.
01:54:52.000 That you're bad, right?
01:54:55.000 That's why they have chaotic good.
01:54:57.000 Chaos is your outlook on the law.
01:55:01.000 So when we say you're chaotic neutral, that's saying that sometimes you'll do good or bad things.
01:55:07.000 But the chaotic part is you don't really concern yourself with the law.
01:55:12.000 Yeah, that would be chaotic neutral.
01:55:13.000 Yeah.
01:55:14.000 They kind of work outside the law or they use the law if it suits them only, really.
01:55:18.000 Well, chaotic people tend to.
01:55:21.000 Let's grab some more.
01:55:21.000 Indeed.
01:55:23.000 Let's see.
01:55:24.000 N. Kari says the average IQ of the prison population is way lower than the average.
01:55:29.000 That is correct.
01:55:32.000 Yeah.
01:55:33.000 What is it like if we permanently jailed for life, like 3% of criminals, there'd be no crime?
01:55:38.000 Yep.
01:55:40.000 What was that?
01:55:41.000 Let's do it.
01:55:42.000 I don't know.
01:55:43.000 Most crime is committed by the same people.
01:55:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:55:46.000 That's the thing.
01:55:47.000 It's like the same people over and over again.
01:55:49.000 Do you think the people that are responsible, the individuals, or is it just that's a percentage of society that will always do crime?
01:55:56.000 Like, there's always a percentage of society that does crime, but it's strongly correlated with lower IQs.
01:56:04.000 Like, Jordan Peterson made a point.
01:56:06.000 Like, if you have an 85 or lower IQ, you can't get in the military because there's nothing that you can functionally do in the military.
01:56:14.000 There's nothing that you won't just make worse.
01:56:16.000 And there's like a sweet spot for IQ where, like, and when I say sweet spot, it's not a good thing, but the vast majority of crime is committed by people with like an 85 or 90 IQ or like an 85.
01:56:28.000 Something like an 85 IQ.
01:56:30.000 Just smart enough to know they want something.
01:56:32.000 Exactly, but they're not smart.
01:56:33.000 Then you have like the Unabomber.
01:56:35.000 Yeah, well, he committed crimes because he was way too smart.
01:56:38.000 Yeah, he's probably like, I don't know, crazy smart.
01:56:41.000 But the thing is, like, if you didn't have people that were at that sweet spot, if you just put them all in jail, crime drops to almost nothing.
01:56:50.000 My dad said, if my IQ hit 60, sell.
01:56:54.000 I'm trying.
01:56:55.000 I'm trying.
01:56:57.000 You're cracking me up.
01:56:58.000 I love it.
01:56:59.000 But it's true.
01:57:00.000 Like, the.
01:57:01.000 The IQ is strongly correlated with criminality.
01:57:05.000 I wonder if it's like because poverty is a lot of it's just perception to whatever relative wealth of the time.
01:57:10.000 We're all rich right now.
01:57:11.000 Even the people living on the street are like in a richer place than people 500 years ago lived in the streets.
01:57:15.000 There have been plenty of societies that were dirt poor that didn't have a large criminal element.
01:57:22.000 I have an idea.
01:57:24.000 Tomorrow on the show, we should set a super chat goal.
01:57:27.000 And if we raise $20,000, we give it to Ian and he shaves his head.
01:57:33.000 So I'm sure I'll be able to.
01:57:33.000 I won't be here tomorrow.
01:57:35.000 You say you want me to shave my head for 20 grand.
01:57:37.000 Would you do it?
01:57:38.000 Would you do it?
01:57:38.000 Yeah.
01:57:39.000 $50,000.
01:57:39.000 I think you'd do it.
01:57:40.000 I don't know.
01:57:41.000 $50,000.
01:57:42.000 $50K right now.
01:57:44.000 I wouldn't suggest 50 grand.
01:57:47.000 It's just money, dude.
01:57:48.000 Yeah.
01:57:49.000 I'll shoot an electromagnetism.
01:57:50.000 How much would you do?
01:57:51.000 Oh, yeah.
01:57:52.000 I'll totally do it.
01:57:53.000 Yeah.
01:57:53.000 How much would you do?
01:57:54.000 I'll do it on the show.
01:57:55.000 If you give me 10 million, I'd feel like a seller.
01:57:57.000 I don't want it.
01:57:57.000 10 million.
01:57:58.000 I don't just want to keep my hair right now.
01:58:00.000 Hold on.
01:58:00.000 Okay, wait, wait.
01:58:01.000 How much to make you wear a suit and put your hair up?
01:58:04.000 I do that for free.
01:58:06.000 I'll just supply the suit and I'm in.
01:58:08.000 So we got to raise money to buy you a suit.
01:58:08.000 All right.
01:58:10.000 How much do those cost?
01:58:10.000 Let's super chat.
01:58:11.000 If we can get 10K in super chats tomorrow night, what's a reasonable 20K you said?
01:58:15.000 Wear a suit?
01:58:16.000 That's a ridiculous suit.
01:58:17.000 You name the number, whatever you think.
01:58:18.000 I'm saying, no, no, no.
01:58:19.000 Like a lot.
01:58:19.000 Like what?
01:58:20.000 How about a lot of money?
01:58:21.000 I'll play the monkey.
01:58:22.000 It should be something you don't want to do, though.
01:58:22.000 I'll be the goop.
01:58:24.000 Get it free at the Salvation Armani.
01:58:27.000 How much does a men's warehouse suit cost?
01:58:30.000 For a couple hundred bucks.
01:58:31.000 A couple hundred bucks?
01:58:31.000 I think so.
01:58:32.000 All right, we'll do a goal to get you in a suit.
01:58:35.000 It should be a good suit.
01:58:36.000 I mean, it should be like Armani.
01:58:38.000 I'll comb my hair off with it.
01:58:41.000 A proper suit.
01:58:42.000 However you want to call it.
01:58:42.000 A bespoke suit, maybe?
01:58:43.000 A bespoke suit, sure.
01:58:44.000 Send him to Tyler.
01:58:45.000 Yeah, but look at his hair.
01:58:46.000 $10,000.
01:58:47.000 What?
01:58:47.000 How about a full makeover?
01:58:48.000 Yeah, a makeover.
01:58:50.000 Like a full, you know, Ian makeover show.
01:58:52.000 We get like one of those gay guys from the TV show to like fix you up.
01:58:55.000 Oh, Jonathan Van Ness.
01:58:56.000 You got to document it.
01:58:57.000 That would be amazing.
01:58:58.000 And no purpose.
01:58:59.000 You got to cut your hair.
01:59:00.000 No, no, no.
01:59:01.000 You have to.
01:59:02.000 I don't want to.
01:59:02.000 Well, then they're going to have to like do like.
01:59:04.000 It'd be a little trim.
01:59:05.000 You could like.
01:59:05.000 No, but they're going to have to get rid of the split ends.
01:59:07.000 They're going to straighten it and they're going to style it.
01:59:10.000 Ian, remember you said that you were like interested in meeting women.
01:59:14.000 Cut your hair.
01:59:15.000 It's a good.
01:59:16.000 It's because there's not a lot of women that'll.
01:59:20.000 Oh, are you seeing some?
01:59:21.000 Okay, never mind.
01:59:21.000 Yeah.
01:59:22.000 Imagine we get a makeover in this year, and then she's like, she can't stand it.
01:59:26.000 I actually like her hair.
01:59:28.000 I took her to my mom's place, my parents' house, and my mom's like, cut your hair.
01:59:31.000 She says it to me whenever she sees me.
01:59:33.000 Your mom does?
01:59:34.000 Yeah, she wants me to cut my hair.
01:59:35.000 I'm like, that's what moms say.
01:59:36.000 She's been saying that to me my whole life.
01:59:38.000 I'm like, you don't know what's hot.
01:59:39.000 You know, I'm my mom.
01:59:41.000 My girlfriend loves me.
01:59:43.000 Ian, you look like every member of Blind Melon.
01:59:45.000 Yeah, you have a lot of.
01:59:47.000 Your goal is not hot.
01:59:49.000 No, my goal is smart.
01:59:51.000 I want to learn how to tell people the story of, from.
01:59:55.000 Gluons and quarks, all the way up to proteins, and how reality forms.
01:59:59.000 Did you know that from quarks to proteins to all that?
02:00:03.000 Argon physics just has proven that the human mind can process faster with shorter hair.
02:00:10.000 I don't believe it.
02:00:11.000 We're real smart.
02:00:11.000 Look at me and Phil.
02:00:12.000 It took me a while to figure out if you were telling the truth, though.
02:00:15.000 Hold on a second.
02:00:16.000 Let me shave that off.
02:00:17.000 Let's grab a couple more of these chats.
02:00:19.000 Can I play with your wow cube?
02:00:21.000 Yeah.
02:00:22.000 I've been staring at it the whole time.
02:00:25.000 Do you know how to use it?
02:00:26.000 Not really.
02:00:27.000 You shake it to go to the menu and you smack the side twice to pick stuff, to like select.
02:00:33.000 All right.
02:00:33.000 Rocky says If Lindsay, if the Lindsay Clancy trial more evidence that feminism has failed, and will the consequence of its failure result in innocent women getting possibly hurt in the future?
02:00:44.000 No, it's evidence that it succeeded.
02:00:46.000 Yeah.
02:00:47.000 She's probably going to get off, and it's a nine woman jury.
02:00:52.000 It's not evidence that it failed, it's evidence that it succeeded.
02:00:55.000 It might be evidence that it's detrimental to society.
02:00:58.000 But it's definitely succeeded.
02:01:00.000 It has not failed.
02:01:01.000 The nine women, are all of them mothers?
02:01:04.000 I don't know.
02:01:04.000 We don't know anything about the jury.
02:01:06.000 Oh, that's right, of course.
02:01:07.000 They haven't photographed the jury or anything.
02:01:09.000 Oh, okay.
02:01:10.000 Three men and nine.
02:01:10.000 Are they all women?
02:01:12.000 Three men.
02:01:12.000 Twelve.
02:01:13.000 Three men and nine women.
02:01:14.000 I mean, I think that's a.
02:01:16.000 What do you call it?
02:01:16.000 Three suicidal men.
02:01:17.000 Voidir.
02:01:18.000 Yeah.
02:01:18.000 Yeah.
02:01:19.000 Like, why would you let.
02:01:20.000 You're suicidal.
02:01:20.000 But on the other hand, if you're the prosecution, you'd be like, no mother would let a woman walk free for killing her children.
02:01:28.000 And they didn't realize that apparently they're all psychotic.
02:01:31.000 If you're a man.
02:01:31.000 Probably taking SSRIs.
02:01:33.000 I wonder.
02:01:34.000 I really would be interested to find out, like, what the actual voting was.
02:01:39.000 Is it, like, two holdouts?
02:01:41.000 Or is it, like, all nine of them are just like, no, she didn't do it?
02:01:44.000 If just one person.
02:01:45.000 I think the men are trying to convince the women, like, no, this isn't right.
02:01:49.000 That's my opinion.
02:01:50.000 I think that's men are going, no, she murdered.
02:01:53.000 Love to know.
02:01:54.000 Yeah, we'll never.
02:01:55.000 Well, maybe someone will have a book.
02:01:56.000 Yeah, it's not over yet.
02:01:57.000 They might come back with a guilty verdict for all we know.
02:02:01.000 Unfortunately, a hung jury is not the same as a.
02:02:01.000 No.
02:02:03.000 I was worried they were going to come back with not guilty just to spite the judge for making them go back in there.
02:02:10.000 No, the three dudes are like, hell no.
02:02:11.000 Magic 8 ball.
02:02:12.000 All right.
02:02:13.000 No, this ain't happening.
02:02:14.000 We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.
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02:02:20.000 Cato, do you want to shout anything out?
02:02:21.000 Yeah, I'd love to follow me also, right?
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02:02:31.000 You got three movies out right now?
02:02:33.000 I've got two that are right now on Amazon Prime and Fandango, Pay to Die, and also Desert Fiends 2.
02:02:43.000 You can go to Prime and watch that for, I think, $3.99.
02:02:47.000 But Desert Fiend 1s, I'm not in, but that's free.
02:02:50.000 So you can see the lead into that film.
02:02:52.000 And actually, they're really.
02:02:54.000 They're horror schlocky films that are very funny and very gross, but in a, I guess, comical way.
02:03:01.000 They're getting great reviews.
02:03:02.000 Like, IMDb gave it an eight.
02:03:04.000 So, you don't get that.
02:03:06.000 No Country for Old Men's like a seven five.
02:03:09.000 Oh, wow.
02:03:10.000 Right on.
02:03:10.000 It's a film.
02:03:11.000 So, you know, do whatever I've got apart from it.
02:03:13.000 Like a cheesy horror drama.
02:03:14.000 And Soldier's Descent comes out in November.
02:03:17.000 It's cheesy.
02:03:18.000 And that's a horror film.
02:03:19.000 Libby, play us out.
02:03:20.000 We already got that.
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02:03:35.000 It was great to get to hang out with Kato Kalin, which was awesome.
02:03:38.000 Oh, Libby, you're fantastic.
02:03:39.000 Also, while we were on the show, Jack told me to tell you that he wants to give you a copy of his new book called Unhumans, A Socialist Revolution.
02:03:47.000 That was the first one.
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02:04:41.000 Gee, man, it was an absolute pleasure having you.
02:04:44.000 I always love when we have a full table and a great discussion.
02:04:48.000 But yeah, you can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere.
02:04:50.000 Scan that code for the Trash House record label and yell us get into the after show.
02:04:55.000 We'll see y'all at rumble.com slash Tim Kest IRL right now.
02:04:59.000 Thanks for hanging out.
02:06:06.000 I don't have a no.
02:06:07.000 What's your thing?
02:06:09.000 Your trailer that you want to watch.
02:06:09.000 Trailer?
02:06:11.000 Oh, if you want to watch.
02:06:12.000 Yeah, it's a trailer.
02:06:12.000 It's not going to make it, but it's fantastic.
02:06:14.000 Can I look it up?
02:06:16.000 Yeah, I've got to send you.
02:06:18.000 It's not online.
02:06:19.000 It's YouTube.
02:06:20.000 Is it YouTube?
02:06:20.000 It's time to find it.
02:06:21.000 Yeah, it's YouTube.
02:06:23.000 What's it called?
02:06:24.000 One minute murder.
02:06:25.000 Oh, murder in a minute.
02:06:28.000 Murder in a minute.
02:06:30.000 Is that what you wanted to show?
02:06:31.000 Murder in a minute official.
02:06:32.000 Yeah.
02:06:33.000 It should be YouTube.
02:06:34.000 You can go right to it.
02:06:35.000 It goes to all my episodes.
02:06:36.000 That's different than the trailer, right?
02:06:38.000 Hello, I'm Kato Kalin, and this is Murder in a Minute.
02:06:42.000 All right, picture this.
02:06:44.000 The way a story like this starts is never how anyone thinks it'll end.
02:06:48.000 It was supposed to be a normal day at a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas.
02:06:52.000 Parents in the stands, teenagers laughing under school tents, the sound of starting pistols cracking through the morning air.
02:06:59.000 You know, the kind of day where the biggest drama should have been who won the 200-meter dash.
02:07:03.000 But sometimes a moment happens that changes everything.
02:07:08.000 17 year old Carmelo Anthony was sitting beneath a team tent that didn't belong to his school.
02:07:13.000 Another student, Austin Metcalf, approached him.
02:07:16.000 Now, Metcalf, he was a well known athlete.
02:07:18.000 He was a football linebacker, strong, popular, the kind of kid people described as disciplined and focused.
02:07:25.000 Witnesses say Metcalf asked Anthony to move.
02:07:29.000 What should have been a quick, forgettable exchange turned tense.
02:07:33.000 Words were traded, tempers flared, and in a matter of seconds, the argument exploded.
02:07:40.000 Into violence.
02:07:42.000 Investigators say Anthony pulled a knife from his backpack, one stab straight to the chest.
02:07:49.000 The entire track meet froze.
02:07:50.000 Coaches ran toward the scene.
02:07:52.000 Students stood in shock.
02:07:54.000 And Austin Metcalf, a teenager who had shown up that morning just to compete with his teammates, collapsed on the ground, dying before help could save him.
02:08:04.000 Police arrived quickly and detained Anthony at the stadium.
02:08:06.000 According to reports, he admitted to the stabbing, but told officers.
02:08:10.000 He believed he was acting in self defense.
02:08:13.000 The case has gripped Texas.
02:08:15.000 Prosecutors say a simple dispute over a seat turned into an unthinkable act of violence.
02:08:20.000 Anthony now faces a murder charge, and the courts will decide whether it was a calculated act or a split second decision that destroyed two futures.
02:08:30.000 Because here's the haunting part.
02:08:33.000 That morning started like any other high school event sunshine, competition, teenagers with their whole lives ahead of them.
02:08:41.000 But by the end of it, One family was planning a funeral and another one was preparing for a murder trial.
02:08:48.000 And all of it began with a seat under a tent.
02:08:53.000 I am Kato Kalin and this is Murder in a Minute.
02:09:00.000 Has that been adjudicated?
02:09:01.000 Yeah.
02:09:01.000 That case?
02:09:02.000 Yeah, so that was one of the episodes.
02:09:03.000 Yeah, he's guilty.
02:09:04.000 Yeah.
02:09:05.000 What do you think?
02:09:05.000 Guilty.
02:09:05.000 He just got shut down for like a second trial.
02:09:07.000 Yeah, they're going to do a second trial.
02:09:08.000 No, he got shut down.
02:09:09.000 That's one of them I did.
02:09:10.000 I ran a Zarutska trial, which, you know, the guy who's not going to trial because of supposedly insanity.
02:09:16.000 But.
02:09:17.000 Like the latest ones of the seven year old that was just killed.
02:09:22.000 The gentleman, it's a big news story now.
02:09:24.000 I think Matt actually, Matt Vensuel talks about the 84 year old war veteran being pushed and dying.
02:09:32.000 Oh, yeah.
02:09:33.000 Yeah.
02:09:33.000 So we just did that one.
02:09:34.000 And that one's, I think, I think that's another one that's not, it was someone that was been in prison before.
02:09:43.000 So, you know, it's looking, once again, the whole thing is no one puts a, mostly mainstream media, doesn't put a face.
02:09:51.000 On the innocent victims of horrific crimes.
02:09:53.000 And so I'm trying to do that to show that there's a life, someone had an actual life.
02:09:59.000 And it should be out there.
02:10:00.000 So, I firmly believe just to, you know, have some compassion for these people.
02:10:07.000 And it's so true about mercy to the guilty, cruelty to the innocent, because a lot of these things don't even go to the trial.
02:10:13.000 A lot of them, judges are letting them go.
02:10:17.000 And, you know, like I said, we just are, this is like my first time actually on your show, Tim, showing this along with Jack.
02:10:26.000 So, Jack Pacibik.
02:10:28.000 And it's just growing.
02:10:30.000 Yeah.
02:10:31.000 And I think it's a wonderful, like, Reason for people to see the insanity of what's going on.
02:10:37.000 Like I told you, it's so much.
02:10:38.000 I can go on every day and have another topic.
02:10:41.000 Another murder happens.
02:10:43.000 And it's a lot of it has to do with woke judges.
02:10:46.000 It really does, of letting criminals.
02:10:47.000 Is that what you find when you look in a hundred percent?
02:10:50.000 Yeah.
02:10:50.000 Yeah.
02:10:51.000 All of them repeat offenders.
02:10:53.000 Jack's pronounced his last name Pasobiec.
02:10:56.000 He says Pasobic.
02:10:57.000 It's Pasobic.
02:10:58.000 Pasobiec.
02:10:59.000 Let's be honest.
02:11:00.000 Well, that's if it's Polish, but it's Pasobic.
02:11:01.000 Pasobiec.
02:11:03.000 Yeah, hypnotic.
02:11:03.000 Hypnotic.
02:11:04.000 Hypnotic.
02:11:06.000 So, does it fuck you up talking about this shit?
02:11:09.000 No, talking about the murder in a minute?
02:11:11.000 Yeah, murder in general.
02:11:12.000 No, I, no, I, believe me, I, when, during the trial, I kept saying, like, I was an actor, I went to an academy, I was like, oh, this stuff, I was trying to get rid of all the stuff with, have to do with OJ because it's such a negative and I love the light and I love fun.
02:11:26.000 But I've said, you know what?
02:11:27.000 I embrace it now.
02:11:28.000 I embrace it because maybe that's my voice to do it.
02:11:32.000 But I love the show itself.
02:11:36.000 I also have a podcast called One Gear Scandalous that does really well.
02:11:39.000 And that's with the host Tom Setter.
02:11:41.000 One degree of scandalous.
02:11:42.000 That podcast is doing well.
02:11:44.000 And this show, Murder a Minute, means a lot.
02:11:46.000 It's my show with Tom Abe.
02:11:47.000 And it's just, I think it's brilliant.
02:11:50.000 And everybody's doing verticals now.
02:11:51.000 And I think telling a story within a minute to two minutes and for a short attention span, theater.
02:11:57.000 Yeah, it's smart too.
02:11:57.000 Yeah, right.
02:11:59.000 I think people, just the reaction, people are really, really digging it.
02:12:03.000 Are you guys?
02:12:04.000 I mean, this is what, this is my test right here.
02:12:06.000 Yeah, no, that's fine.
02:12:07.000 There were a couple of riveting seconds in that first minute where I was like, whoa, I was like really into it.
02:12:12.000 What did we just watch?
02:12:13.000 Like, Halfway through when you were talking, it got so real for a second.
02:12:17.000 Yeah, that was a kind of that was really nice.
02:12:19.000 And that was a huge story, too.
02:12:21.000 I just it was like this poor kitten, he has a twin brother, you know, Austin Metcalf.
02:12:26.000 So big story.
02:12:27.000 Yeah, the Zarutska thing's also interesting because it was like a few days before Charlie got killed and his death completely superseded the arena Zarutska thing.
02:12:35.000 It was like it set off like a rage in the human.
02:12:38.000 Like, and I saw them go like, like, bloodthirsty animal came out of a lot of humans I knew when Zarutska was killed by that guy.
02:12:46.000 And like, I saw.
02:12:47.000 Well, it was so terrifying.
02:12:49.000 I mean, you look at the video and she's like cowering, and he just comes out of nowhere to kill her for no reason.
02:12:55.000 No reason.
02:12:55.000 But that was the last case that Charlie was talking about.
02:12:58.000 And just a few days, just right before that, was the school shooting at the Catholic Church in Minnesota.
02:13:05.000 Right.
02:13:06.000 Knowing she's going to die and no one helping.
02:13:08.000 That's another part of the video that we shoot in that just watching passengers not help.
02:13:13.000 It just, who doesn't help to see someone anything?
02:13:18.000 Waiting and she's just dying and bleeding out.
02:13:20.000 Come on, I think that Daniel was Daniel Penny who choked that guy out and ended up killing him.
02:13:24.000 After that, people seem to get a little afraid of intervening.
02:13:27.000 Not that they haven't always been because he went to he went he he went on trial for that, yeah, yeah.
02:13:32.000 That was really up, really, yeah.
02:13:34.000 I'm glad he walked, me too, yeah, yeah.
02:13:37.000 We need more Daniel Pennies, yeah, absolutely.
02:13:39.000 I mean, that that's it's unfortunate that that you know trying to help people, which is what he was doing, you know, and and get you, it's sad that the guy died.
02:13:50.000 But it certainly wasn't malicious.
02:13:53.000 You know, he was trying to help the other people that were on the subway train.
02:13:58.000 And, you know, the government in New York just decided they were going to try and make an example of them, probably because it was a white guy that killed a black guy, more than likely, that had something to do with it.
02:14:08.000 But the more people you have that will intervene when someone else is a danger, the better your society is.
02:14:17.000 Right.
02:14:18.000 No, right.
02:14:19.000 And it is.
02:14:19.000 Like the Good Samaritan thing, like help people.
02:14:21.000 Yeah, if they're in actual duress, and then you get these fucking retards that are like, I need to help.
02:14:30.000 Blow it all up.
02:14:31.000 You know, like idiots, they think they're doing good by destroying things.
02:14:31.000 That'll help.
02:14:34.000 And you're like, those are the chaotic evil.
02:14:37.000 People intervening and what police need to be focused on.
02:14:40.000 Like, there's a balance to it.
02:14:42.000 Like, vigilanteism, I get a little nervous about, but like protecting someone isn't necessarily a vigilante, you know?
02:14:47.000 Shall we go to callers?
02:14:49.000 Oh, fuck yes.
02:14:50.000 Breakfast, Lord Waffles.
02:14:52.000 What's up, Breakfast, Lord Waffles?
02:14:54.000 What the fuck's up?
02:14:55.000 Good question there.
02:14:56.000 Thank you so much for having me.
02:14:58.000 Yeah, man.
02:14:59.000 I love that.
02:14:59.000 Welcome.
02:15:01.000 So, Tim and Cato, you've experienced how the media's decentralized standalone complex enforces its narratives.
02:15:09.000 Instead of reacting to these updates, how do we build social technologies capable of outcompeting and dethroning the hive mind?
02:15:17.000 Well, if I could do that, I'd be a billionaire, right?
02:15:19.000 So, you tell me, brother.
02:15:23.000 You need reverse algorithms that pick up the least seen things.
02:15:26.000 The things that nobody wants to see.
02:15:29.000 Shove that down their throats for a while.
02:15:32.000 Well, maybe we can.
02:15:35.000 I think we need to make real life, high trust social architectures that are better than this crappy simulation and win outsiders over because people want real community over this stupid thought reform.
02:15:51.000 I agree with that 100%.
02:15:52.000 We need real communities.
02:15:54.000 And Lord Waffle, you are the Lord of that.
02:15:58.000 So, like, what's an example of what you're thinking?
02:16:03.000 Micro institutions to.
02:16:06.000 bring people together in reliable ways, some of that being mutual aid, some of it being in person, things like the coffee shop, things like if not church, then things that build the same kind of heart and community,
02:16:25.000 and just figuring out how to talk to people in a way that doesn't trigger their defenses and gives them a smooth exit out of the stressful, progressive prison.
02:16:40.000 Yeah, playing sports with people is a good way to kind of bring the defenses down because everybody's worn out, like working out together.
02:16:47.000 Gardening may be a good one.
02:16:48.000 You get a lot of sun with somebody focused on a because there's three types of bonds you can have with someone.
02:16:52.000 There's the ionic bond, it's the same way in chemistry, where you trade information back and forth.
02:16:56.000 That's a type of personal bond.
02:16:58.000 Then there's covalent, where you share energy, where you're kind of sharing space together and you know you're together and working on something.
02:17:04.000 And then there's the metallic bond, where you're all focused in one direction and the electrons are flying by you and going in a direction.
02:17:09.000 Everyone's like focused on a movie together or a task together.
02:17:13.000 You forgot the most important bond.
02:17:15.000 That's James Bond 007.
02:17:16.000 Oh, that's true.
02:17:17.000 The fourth bond.
02:17:18.000 John Connery here.
02:17:19.000 In the most.
02:17:19.000 20 pennies.
02:17:20.000 Check my schedule.
02:17:22.000 So, building like different types of bonds with humans is cool if you focus on collective tasks.
02:17:27.000 You're showing your age because to me, James Bond is Pierce Brosnan.
02:17:30.000 Pierce Brosnan.
02:17:31.000 Daniel, I can't do him.
02:17:33.000 Yeah.
02:17:34.000 Remington Steele is him to me.
02:17:36.000 Remington Steele was Pierce Brosnan.
02:17:38.000 Or Mrs. Doubtfire's.
02:17:40.000 Robin Williams.
02:17:41.000 Oh, Mrs. the wife.
02:17:42.000 He's the wife's new guy or whatever.
02:17:44.000 Right.
02:17:45.000 Sally Fields.
02:17:46.000 Yeah.
02:17:47.000 She's so good.
02:17:48.000 I love that movie, a trivia.
02:17:51.000 Anything you want to follow up with?
02:17:55.000 No, thank you so much, everybody.
02:17:56.000 I really appreciate it.
02:17:57.000 We're going to win this by fighting their symptoms, by understanding their problems, and by doing it better.
02:18:03.000 Thank you for your time, everyone.
02:18:04.000 Thanks for calling in.
02:18:06.000 Thanks, bud.
02:18:06.000 Thanks, man.
02:18:07.000 When I can figure out how to do that decentralized network thing, I'll make a billion dollars and retire to an island.
02:18:12.000 That's maybe dude.
02:18:13.000 Baxter Shroud86.
02:18:15.000 What's up, Baxter?
02:18:19.000 Hey, how's it going, guys?
02:18:20.000 Thank you so much for having me up.
02:18:22.000 Absolutely.
02:18:23.000 I'm a long time listener, first time caller.
02:18:26.000 My question is this.
02:18:29.000 I'm developing a documentary about my sister's murder conviction, which came nearly 20 years after the death of her 18 month old son.
02:18:37.000 When approaching a complicated and deeply personal case like this, what makes a documentary credible and compelling, and what attracts serious collaborators to the project?
02:18:48.000 Because I'm not going to lie to you, I have no idea what I'm doing, and I'm just struggling.
02:18:53.000 You know, real quick, I've just been approached by two different documentary people that want to do something with me.
02:19:00.000 And I think you have to look at.
02:19:03.000 Other people's documentaries and see who you like.
02:19:06.000 I mean, just go to Netflix and if you're thinking about shooting your own documentary, yes, I think you just steal from them, steal what works for you, what stands out in all these documentaries, and use that.
02:19:21.000 But using actual footage and the interviews that you do, that the connection you said it was your sister, yes, yeah, I mean, that's just going to speak volumes right there to hear her pain.
02:19:36.000 And interviews and then photos and film that you put together and come up from point A to B to C, and just how you want a rapper, you know, bookend it from the beginning and tie it all together.
02:19:49.000 Easier set, I guess, but if you have the footage, you can, when you shoot your first week, you're going to probably go, I know where this wants to go.
02:19:58.000 And I think it kind of falls into place that way.
02:20:02.000 From my experience.
02:20:02.000 Okay.
02:20:03.000 Oh, sorry.
02:20:03.000 What's that?
02:20:05.000 Oh, well, there's like three parts to a good.
02:20:09.000 Piece of cinema, you in the beginning, you want to explain the problem that's trying to be solved with this documentary somehow, and then you want to show the solution, and then you want to show them what the world can look like after the problem is solved.
02:20:25.000 And if you can hit those three marks and take your time with them, that will help keep people interested and feel empowered through the process.
02:20:35.000 But sorry, what were you saying?
02:20:37.000 It's like we're being asked to solve the problems of the universe tonight, right?
02:20:40.000 No, I was just going to say the main issue, like, I mean, as far as doing interviews and stuff, I've done some podcasts, so I'm reasonably comfortable with that part.
02:20:52.000 The thing that I'm having the most trouble trying to find help with is the tech aspect.
02:20:57.000 I actually have a hard drive with all of the evidence that is public knowledge or whatever, all gathered onto a hard drive, but I have no idea how to go through it.
02:21:09.000 And that's really the brick wall that I've hit.
02:21:12.000 How many hours of footage do you have?
02:21:12.000 How much footage?
02:21:15.000 Oh, I have a four terabyte hard drive that's jammed full.
02:21:17.000 Wow.
02:21:18.000 Yeah, paring down is a big part of the process.
02:21:21.000 Do you have access to any interns that work for free?
02:21:25.000 That's illegal.
02:21:26.000 Yes.
02:21:27.000 That's been illegal for 15 years.
02:21:27.000 That would be nice.
02:21:29.000 That you can hire someone?
02:21:30.000 Oh, interns have to get paid at least minimum wage since 2013.
02:21:35.000 You might be able to find an AI that can help you cut footage and look for the hot.
02:21:41.000 I don't know if it's there yet.
02:21:42.000 I'm just an idea.
02:21:45.000 Like an assistant.
02:21:47.000 Okay.
02:21:48.000 I mean, I would just use the parts that stand out the most to you and to your sister, and you know, start looking for footage with that.
02:21:48.000 Yeah.
02:21:58.000 You know, you can do go through, get an idea of each file and where what it is, and like put it into a different folder.
02:22:03.000 Like, this is stuff that would be like beginning of the movie files, middle of the movie files, end of the movie files.
02:22:09.000 And then you'll look, you'll be like, why do I have so many for that part?
02:22:11.000 Okay, I don't need that many.
02:22:12.000 You know, like, you got to cut half of the middle of the movie out.
02:22:16.000 That would be a good way to start segmenting.
02:22:19.000 Just one by one, if you know each file.
02:22:21.000 Yeah, definitely storyboarding would be helpful as a start.
02:22:24.000 Okay.
02:22:24.000 Kind of like Ian was saying.
02:22:27.000 Explain that.
02:22:28.000 Oh, just like, you know, I made an audition tape for Timcast a long time ago, but I had written everything out on, like, you know, notebook cards by scene for, like, it was like 24 scenes.
02:22:41.000 And then there was a bunch of stuff I cut out because I was like, it can't be like 10 minutes.
02:22:45.000 It has to be like four minutes, if that's still long.
02:22:48.000 But I found it helpful to see stuff on a wall, kind of like dry erase board visual.
02:22:53.000 Type stuff.
02:22:55.000 Storyboards, every commercial you see is storyboarded.
02:22:58.000 So it's a good idea.
02:22:59.000 I tried to just wing it and make funny Instagram videos because I'm like, oh, if all these tools can do it, I can do it.
02:23:04.000 And I found it extremely difficult without a storyboard because it was just like trying to act in it and remember what was supposed to happen.
02:23:11.000 Thought organization.
02:23:12.000 I find that to be so impressive.
02:23:14.000 There's like a couple Instagram accounts that I follow where it's like one person and they play all the parts.
02:23:21.000 And I find that I looked at it because you look at it and you're like, oh, I could do that.
02:23:24.000 And then you start thinking about it and you're like, nope.
02:23:26.000 That's really hard.
02:23:27.000 No, that's well done, guy.
02:23:29.000 You know, there's a couple accounts that are great.
02:23:31.000 Andrew Russo is a good one.
02:23:32.000 Have you ever followed him?
02:23:34.000 No, wait, which one?
02:23:35.000 Andrew Russo, yeah, Padilla.
02:23:38.000 That guy, I find him.
02:23:40.000 There's a lot of people who do it, and it seems it's like pretty cool that they're able to do that.
02:23:45.000 Uh, some advice.
02:23:47.000 What did that answer the question at all, or do you have any follow ups to that?
02:23:51.000 Um, well, that definitely helps out a lot.
02:23:53.000 I can, I can say that.
02:23:55.000 Um, I, I mean, I, I figure it's.
02:23:58.000 I'm just going to take me some time to get in to really get into it and kind of figure it out.
02:24:02.000 But definitely, all of this was very helpful.
02:24:05.000 And I want to tell you, I really appreciate it.
02:24:07.000 Right on.
02:24:08.000 Do you want to shout anything out, man?
02:24:12.000 Sure.
02:24:13.000 If anybody wants to check out some of the other work I've done, I'm a content creator on YouTube under Centaur Studios.
02:24:20.000 If you search Centaur Studios on YouTube, you'll see some of my content.
02:24:24.000 I do DND World.
02:24:25.000 I love it.
02:24:25.000 Centaur.
02:24:26.000 Is that what he said?
02:24:27.000 Centaur.
02:24:29.000 Yep, Centaur.
02:24:29.000 It's like a cognitively impaired, mystical creature.
02:24:34.000 Awesome.
02:24:35.000 But I have a DD show.
02:24:38.000 We do some AI cutscenes and stuff like that.
02:24:40.000 It's a lot of fun.
02:24:42.000 That's hilarious.
02:24:43.000 Awesome, man.
02:24:44.000 Thank you.
02:24:46.000 Thanks, man.
02:24:46.000 Cool, dude.
02:24:47.000 Thanks for calling in.
02:24:47.000 Yeah, thanks for calling.
02:24:48.000 Yep, thank you.
02:24:49.000 Have a good one, guys.
02:24:51.000 All right.
02:24:52.000 And last but not least, we've got Taylor Lorenz's ex wife.
02:24:57.000 What's up, Taylor?
02:24:58.000 What up?
02:24:59.000 Hello, hello.
02:25:00.000 Hi, Tim, Phil, Ian, Libby, Cato, and Carter.
02:25:05.000 Ian, instead of us giving you money for a suit tomorrow, if you want mine, I'm not using it.
02:25:14.000 Okay.
02:25:14.000 Wait, is that an inside joke?
02:25:16.000 Because I'm about to go with it.
02:25:19.000 Give it to me.
02:25:19.000 Taylor doesn't wear suits so much anymore.
02:25:21.000 Taylor wears dresses now.
02:25:23.000 You want me to wear a dress for the show?
02:25:25.000 No.
02:25:25.000 $7,000.
02:25:26.000 I'll do anything.
02:25:29.000 This is why I left Hollywood.
02:25:31.000 They want me to tell them that Wendy's tasted delicious.
02:25:33.000 I'm like, I'm done.
02:25:35.000 Fuck this.
02:25:35.000 I'm done.
02:25:36.000 I mean, the baconator is kind of good.
02:25:38.000 Sorry, I'm pretty delicious.
02:25:39.000 I didn't mean to seize the action.
02:25:40.000 What's that?
02:25:41.000 No, no, you're good.
02:25:41.000 All right.
02:25:42.000 My question's for Cato tonight.
02:25:44.000 Based on what you personally witnessed at Rockingham that night, including the unexplained noises, the timeline gaps, and the bag OJ kept you from handling, did you ever consider he might have been protecting Jason rather than only protecting himself?
02:25:59.000 Well, that's a theory that there's a new documentary coming out.
02:26:02.000 It's, I think, comes out in November on Peacock NBC.
02:26:08.000 And that could be one of the things they talk about.
02:26:11.000 I don't know.
02:26:12.000 Many, many years ago, I had dinner.
02:26:13.000 With a guy named William Deere, who wrote exactly what you're talking about with Jason.
02:26:18.000 And I just said, now, my personal opinion is just OJ.
02:26:21.000 And after meeting with so many detectives and talking to them, I think they feel the same way.
02:26:26.000 But other people have theories.
02:26:28.000 And I just did a podcast with Jim Clemente.
02:26:32.000 Jim is the show Criminal Minds, which is based on him.
02:26:36.000 He's the most prolific profiler in the FBI.
02:26:39.000 He actually caught the Gilbo Beach killer.
02:26:43.000 And he believes it very much a theory like that of.
02:26:49.000 He doesn't mention a name, but he thinks there's more than one person involved.
02:26:53.000 And, uh, he's a smart, smart man.
02:26:57.000 But, you know, from the detectives who were there that I talked to, uh, I pretty much think it was OJ and OJ alone.
02:27:07.000 And did he have help?
02:27:09.000 Uh, that's a, in the documentary, we're going to probably see what they plan to do of bringing out whatever they have.
02:27:17.000 I don't know.
02:27:18.000 I did my interview part, so I don't know exactly what, uh, Other people who are involved.
02:27:24.000 Were you saying in the documentary and yeah?
02:27:28.000 Just to clarify the question, that OJ, he prevented you from handling something because he didn't want to get you implicated in it?
02:27:34.000 No, no.
02:27:35.000 There's certain things that kind of stand out.
02:27:36.000 There's a, won't go the whole thing, but the limo driver is there at the Rockingham and I'm there and there's a, well, we're putting something in right next to the car, all his luggage, but there's a duffel, like a college knapsack, what kids would wear over there.
02:27:52.000 And I was close.
02:27:53.000 I, oh, I'll get that.
02:27:54.000 And he said, no, don't touch it.
02:27:56.000 I'll get it.
02:27:57.000 And it was just kind of like, well, that's weird.
02:27:58.000 I'm right there.
02:27:59.000 So just turned around and that was the last we saw of it.
02:28:03.000 And that bag, 33?
02:28:05.000 33, 34, becoming 34.
02:28:08.000 So, but there's a witness.
02:28:08.000 Wow.
02:28:12.000 This is interesting.
02:28:13.000 That bag, there's a gentleman named Skip Junis, and that name was never a witness.
02:28:22.000 That his car was parked behind the limo and he saw OJ, recognized him, and he's picking up his wife, who works for celebrities for American Airlines, and saw him put a hand down to the elbow, grab something out of there, and then put his hand all the way down into a garbage can.
02:28:41.000 And the guy is so believable.
02:28:44.000 And he was, you know, a job, he's an advertising executive.
02:28:48.000 He had no reason.
02:28:49.000 He just saw someone do that.
02:28:51.000 And then when the crime came out later, he called the detectives and told them that story.
02:28:58.000 That was like two or three days later, where garbage is taken out.
02:29:02.000 So there's so much stuff in Tom Lang's book, Detective Lang's book, that was never used.
02:29:07.000 And it's just unbelievable.
02:29:10.000 Evidence withdrawn, I think it was called.
02:29:13.000 There was like somebody else's blood there, too, right?
02:29:17.000 At OJ's and Rockingham?
02:29:19.000 Yeah.
02:29:20.000 I think the only blood was in the Bronco on the property that was Ron and Nicole's blood.
02:29:27.000 No, I thought.
02:29:28.000 You know, we're going way, way back.
02:29:30.000 I'm just trying to remember.
02:29:30.000 I thought there was some unidentified blood there, too, but maybe I'm mixing that up with something else.
02:29:35.000 This is all before you're born, right?
02:29:37.000 It's what?
02:29:38.000 Oh, no.
02:29:40.000 I'm like Ian's age.
02:29:42.000 Oh, really?
02:29:43.000 Shout out to all the 47 year olds out there.
02:29:43.000 Okay.
02:29:46.000 Yeah, I'm not quite there.
02:29:49.000 Did you follow all the documentaries?
02:29:51.000 And did you, like, I mean, because you're asking some great questions?
02:29:55.000 A little bit here and there.
02:29:56.000 You know, it was, you know, obviously the big thing the entire year it was on TV when I guess, God, I would have been in high school.
02:30:04.000 So, you know, it was all anybody talked about, all the late night comedians and, you know, South Park and everything else.
02:30:09.000 It was huge.
02:30:10.000 It was like normal.
02:30:11.000 Yeah, it was like I said, it was.
02:30:15.000 Norm got kicked off of SNL.
02:30:17.000 He didn't get kicked off of SNL.
02:30:18.000 Whoa, he got kicked off of the news because he kept talking about OJ on the news and how guilty.
02:30:22.000 It was obviously guilty.
02:30:23.000 I golf with Norm a thousand times.
02:30:26.000 Did you?
02:30:26.000 That's amazing.
02:30:27.000 That's so cool.
02:30:28.000 Oh, yeah.
02:30:29.000 Yeah, all the time.
02:30:30.000 I did stuff with Norm.
02:30:32.000 That's so fun.
02:30:32.000 I taught him basketball, basically.
02:30:34.000 I had him in a basketball league.
02:30:36.000 Oh, sweet.
02:30:38.000 Yeah, it was lots of stuff with Leno and Letterman and, you know.
02:30:43.000 Yeah.
02:30:44.000 Yeah.
02:30:45.000 It was before the internet, too, so everyone saw it.
02:30:48.000 No, it wasn't, Ian.
02:30:49.000 I was totally online before it was cool.
02:30:51.000 Before internet video is what I mean.
02:30:52.000 It wasn't really the internet in 95.
02:30:54.000 It was pre internet.
02:30:55.000 I think the internet started when internet video began.
02:30:58.000 I know it was around before email was.
02:31:00.000 But it wasn't like people were not super into it.
02:31:03.000 It was like chat boards.
02:31:05.000 Yeah, message boards were.
02:31:07.000 I was on message boards in like 95, 96.
02:31:08.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:31:09.000 I was on time metal and stuff.
02:31:11.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:31:11.000 I was avoiding them.
02:31:12.000 So my brother suffers from dyslexia, and that's the.
02:31:16.000 Trial was 32 years ago, and still today he thinks JLo did it.
02:31:23.000 I set myself up to see how he did that.
02:31:24.000 He did.
02:31:24.000 That was amazing.
02:31:25.000 There you go.
02:31:25.000 That's for you.
02:31:26.000 You got anything you want to add, Taylor?
02:31:28.000 Well, I had a follow up, but Kato squashed it.
02:31:31.000 But let me do just add that he's been a great guest.
02:31:35.000 I would like to see him back on IRL.
02:31:36.000 We'd love to have him.
02:31:38.000 We'll be in D.C. in a few weeks.
02:31:40.000 So much fun here.
02:31:41.000 Yeah.
02:31:42.000 Easier flight.
02:31:43.000 Well, you want to shout anything out before we go?
02:31:45.000 No, no.
02:31:46.000 Well, yeah, let me shout out the Discord.
02:31:48.000 Get in here, have fun with us.
02:31:51.000 And thanks for having me up.
02:31:53.000 Well, thanks for calling in as always.
02:31:54.000 Calling Taylor for calling.
02:31:55.000 See ya.
02:31:56.000 Yep.
02:31:57.000 All right.
02:31:59.000 Let's see who we got coming on tomorrow.
02:32:03.000 Let's see.
02:32:06.000 I got to look at this calendar here.
02:32:08.000 Cheryl Riley.
02:32:09.000 That's what I'm talking about.
02:32:10.000 Cato, it's been great hanging out with you.
02:32:10.000 It'll be fun.
02:32:12.000 Baba O'Reilly.
02:32:12.000 Thanks for coming.
02:32:13.000 Yeah.
02:32:14.000 Is that a song?
02:32:15.000 Oh, yeah.
02:32:16.000 That's the who.
02:32:16.000 Baba O'Reilly.
02:32:18.000 It sure is.
02:32:19.000 Who?
02:32:20.000 All right.
02:32:21.000 I love music, I love film.
02:32:23.000 Thank you so much.
02:32:23.000 Tim.
02:32:24.000 Thanks for coming.
02:32:24.000 I'm going to shoot a video.
02:32:25.000 Is that all right?
02:32:26.000 And everybody's saying something?
02:32:27.000 Sure.
02:32:28.000 All right, everybody.
02:32:30.000 We're back tomorrow morning.
02:32:31.000 Bye, everybody.
02:32:31.000 We'll see y'all then.
02:32:32.000 Love you.
02:32:33.000 Murder in a minute.