00:03:41.000But before we get into today's news, I have to shout out this fantastic event coming up, which has taken our faithful leader away from us for the weekend the Chicago Thinker with Tim Poole.
00:03:53.000This is going to be A rip roaring intellectual gathering in Chicago.
00:03:59.000Tim Pool, Jack Pasobic is going to be there.
00:05:25.000Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:05:27.000A lot of people are going to say, oh, it's Chanel, but maybe for those three or four people who aren't Familiar with you, could you give a quick intro of who you are and what you do?
00:05:45.000I was chief White House correspondent for One American News for two years under Trump and two years under Biden, and it was a rollicking time.
00:05:55.000I then set up my alternative White House Correspondents Association, National White House Correspondents Association.
00:06:03.000On the side, I love to study AI and the conflicts with constitutional law, so I set up my own site.
00:06:12.000I'm the editor in chief of Founding Code, where we talk about the collision between AI and constitutional law in today's society.
00:06:20.000Beyond that, I got an ALB at Harvard for international relations, so I was not media trained and I was not journalistically trained.
00:06:31.000And then I have a JD from Regent Law, so that's my academic background.
00:08:17.000Let's get into all that, but we got to get to the big news of the day.0.97
00:08:21.000From the post millennial, Justin Cornell Jane Doe defended, quote, gangbang in texts, said, quote, our body, our choice.
00:08:31.000Newly unveiled text messages that took place just days after an incident in which Jane Doe alleged she was sexually assaulted at a fraternity at Cornell show her defending the gangbang and telling a fraternity member involved in the incident, I don't think we should feel any shame for the part.
00:09:01.000On the evening of October 21st, 2024, the incident took place overnight on the 19th of that month at the Chi Phi fraternity.
00:09:10.000Newell texted Jane Doe to apologize, saying, My memory's kind of fuzzy about a lot of it, and that he and another member identified as Matt feel like.
00:09:18.000Uh, S H I T, presumably, for being too effed up to shut it down and kick people out before it got way out of hand.
00:09:25.000He added, You're an amazing person, and I genuinely hope you're not catching as much heat from this as we are.
00:09:31.000We've been shutting down any stories we've heard, but again, I'm so, so sorry.
00:09:37.000And then this is where things begin to unravel, I think, for Jane Doe here.
00:12:06.000And then there was like fallout on campus, reputational damage.
00:12:10.000And then, She got disinvited from their Halloween party.
00:12:15.000And she felt, I think, crappy about that, about getting disinvited.
00:12:21.000And it sprung up on message boards around the school.
00:12:23.000And somebody said she had been sexually assaulted.
00:12:25.000And she said it wasn't until somebody said on a message board that she'd been sexually assaulted that she decided she'd been sexually assaulted.
00:13:21.000I was on the impression it was three of them for sure, one maybe, and then two didn't even know what was going on, or one didn't know what was going on, and then four got the other.
00:13:33.000Somebody else, like one of the guys was throwing up and passed out, and now alleges that she took advantage of him because he was like basically passed out and she was like trying to get with him or whatever.
00:13:46.000And so he said after the fact, like, I was.
00:15:07.000She was saying that she had a good time and she was looking forward to hanging out again.
00:15:12.000One element that I think is interesting is she kind of thought she was like the cool girl now and she was going to be like part of their sort of boys club thing.
00:15:21.000And so when it all got, when it all came out and she was looked at as like, you know, gross or hoary or whatever, you know, she didn't like that, which I mean, you wouldn't like that.
00:15:34.000But she didn't like that to the point where she decided that.
00:16:05.000But the part that I'm very curious about, I'm actually curious about, is the conversation that happened between her and the attorney.
00:16:14.000And his attorney, the attorney probably asking her, like, hey, show me what you've got, show me all the things that the enemy will use against you.
00:16:31.000But I think anyone's going to basically answer that, but that'll be interesting.
00:16:34.000Journalist Michael Tracy went up, he's in Ithaca right now.
00:16:36.000He went up to Ithaca and he's sort of saying, like, you're prosecuting these men publicly before you even bring the case anywhere.
00:16:46.000Both Kathy Hochul and Letitia James spoke out in favor of this girl.
00:16:51.000And then Kathy Hochul appointed Letitia James to prosecute the case, even though James had already come out being like, I believe the girl or whatever, you know?
00:17:03.000So she's clearly not at all objective.
00:17:05.000She clearly cannot prosecute this case.
00:17:07.000Also, don't forget that Kathy Hochul and Tish James were the two women that took down Andrew Cuomo on very spurious sexual misconduct claims.
00:17:16.000And then, as soon as they got him out of office and installed Kathy Hochul in Albany, they dropped everything against Cuomo.0.99
00:17:24.000I'm not saying I love Cuomo, but like he was poorly treated by these two nasty hoes.1.00
00:18:25.000And if you can go, you can go to his Twitter and you will see the volume of threats and the severity of the threats he's receiving, his family's receiving, et cetera.
00:18:33.000I mean, the anger and fervor of these pro Jane Doe people, it's, I mean, very disturbing.
00:18:40.000I think an adjective demonic would be quite useful here.
00:18:44.000The fact that these people are just taking this personally, it's not shocking, really.
00:18:48.000She sued the bar that she says served her drinks.
00:21:47.000That means the NSA would have to get involved.
00:21:48.000That seems like a big escalation up the ladder.
00:21:50.000There was a time in like 2020 when Google just kept sending me free, like little Google pod homes.
00:21:57.000Like, I never set any of them up, but like three.
00:22:01.000I'm being a little hyperbolic because I don't really want to overreach and start going to people's databases to get their past history.
00:22:06.000You want to evaluate the moans and groans.0.94
00:22:08.000When people abuse the law, I get kind of frustrated and I kind of want to slam the hammer down, but I don't want to destroy precedent and like start going to the Google Drive to prove everybody, you know, because I've said some crazy shit with my phone in the room.0.93
00:22:37.000Trump admin suspends Microsoft Adobe from H1B permanent residency programs.
00:22:44.000Quote If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants.
00:22:56.000Not just Microsoft and Adobe are suspended from the permanent labor certification program.
00:23:02.000This means they will no longer process any new applications for Cognizant, InfoSys, SYS, Capgemini, Tata, which I believe is like an Indian vehicle company, Ypro, and HCL.
00:23:15.000This is what's really interesting to me the Indian stock market completely crashing following this news.
00:23:21.000You know, you would think with the return of their top talent, right?
00:23:25.000When the H1B system is defended, Went to critics, they'd commonly say, Well, we need this talent, this exceptional talent.1.00
00:23:32.000You know, the American economy would wither without specifically Indian H 1B workers.0.99
00:23:37.000But upon announcement that these wonderful economic engine rooms will be returning to their home countries, the stock market crashed.1.00
00:23:47.000Now, again, wouldn't you expect the stock market to take off?
00:23:50.000All this amazing capital, elite human capital is returning to their shores.
00:23:54.000You would expect it to be like, This is great.
00:23:58.000It's not the case, not the case whatsoever.
00:24:01.000But yes, for a lot of us who have been sounding the alarm on the H 1B program for a long time, maybe just broadly immigration skeptical, this is a great move from the Trump administration.
00:24:14.000Obviously, you know, the touchdown here is just a full abolition of the program.
00:24:18.000I think at this point, it's a lost cause, it is not being utilized properly.
00:25:13.000The ability for any layman to just chat into the chatbot and create a world scale game that once took years to develop and tens of thousands of people to put together.
00:25:29.000I'm laughing at this headline because, you know, I don't think Adobe is even going to be needing American workers soon because their entire software and program was just open sourced and published this week, making their horrible yearly subscription program, which we all loathe.
00:26:41.000I think that's what makes this whole conversation moot.
00:26:45.000And I don't quite understand the obsession over it because, in terms of scale, Joe Biden did more harm in two months than the H 1B program ever did.
00:26:55.000Well, I mean, I think the argument is that, you know, you're granting permanent residency to people versus Joe Biden.
00:27:01.000I mean, these can be deported at any moment where Trump is having these.
00:27:07.000Well, you've deported quite a lot, but not.0.94
00:27:09.000In theory, ICE can pick up any illegal they want and deport them versus H 1Bs versus any visa, really.0.57
00:27:14.000The Trump administration is having to go through all these court cases just to get one guy out.0.93
00:27:19.000But I do agree that, like, this is a bit of a moot point because most of these jobs that they've brought these H 1B workers in for will probably be automated in the next.
00:27:29.000I mean, probably a few months at this point.
00:27:30.00075% of these jobs are software engineering jobs.
00:27:33.000And additionally, it allows us to restrict immigration while our population declines because we can backfill all of the labor shortages, so to speak.
00:27:42.000I think some of this is punishment because Microsoft put in for like thousands and thousands of H 1B visa workers and then fired 6,000 workers who were already in the United States.
00:27:58.000So I think to a certain extent, it's like, you know what, screw you then.
00:28:35.000I mean, that might be a behemoth that will never go away.
00:28:38.000You asked me before the show what my definition of the apocalypse is.
00:28:41.000And I think when I said revealing, the grand reveal to remove the veil, people's emails getting revealed, people's texts, people's voice conversations, but also code, software code.
00:28:50.000All these companies that have their proprietary code, like YouTube, dude, everyone's going to have all your tech.
00:28:55.000All your tech is going to be available.
00:29:44.000Well, to your point, it says here, I mean, this is from Futurism Adobe in trouble after someone reverse engineered Adobe Creative Source and released it as open source.
00:29:51.000How big of a deal do you think the H1B conversation is right now in the Adobe boardroom?
00:29:55.000I don't think it's a huge problem for them right now.0.99
00:29:57.000I think this is their number one problem.
00:29:59.000I just want to know where I can get this open source.1.00
00:30:02.000And I think it adds an element to the H1B discussion where if it becomes increasingly economically indefensible, then these people need to explain why we're bringing these people into the country.0.83
00:30:11.000I mean, when you look at the H1B program, 80% plus of applicants are of Indian origin.0.99
00:30:16.000How is this not just Basically, a nepotism chain migrant visa at this point.1.00
00:30:21.000I mean, it's of little, I mean, not, I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's of little utility to the American economy.0.83
00:30:26.000If you truly are this once in a lifetime exceptional talent, you know, you're Lionel Messi or whatever, we'll get you in on the 01 visa.
00:30:32.000Like, I promise we're not missing out on these, you know, next great thinkers.
00:30:52.000I'm not that impressed with American graduates these days.0.77
00:30:55.000If they are the kinds of kids who are part of the Cornell Seven, if that's the kind of example that we're having of American college students, I'm hoping that we have a revolution from an educational standpoint, a cultural standpoint.
00:31:11.000I think we're starting to see that with the education department losing a lot of its funding and a lot of the loans now receiving a lot of restrictions.
00:31:18.000So now we don't have blank checks for these colleges to now give out ridiculous degrees.
00:31:26.000But I think it's going to take us a few years to reset for the next generation of competent American college students who are going to come out of college and say, Yes, I'm ready to be part of the American work system and not, you know.
00:31:41.000My concern is who is going to teach these kids?
00:32:24.000And you can find, and you can learn like 10 times faster than waiting in a room for some guy to.0.84
00:32:29.000To figure out all the dumb kids, get past all the kids that don't get it yet so that they can finally take you to the next level.0.91
00:32:34.000Like there's no waiting around anymore.0.98
00:32:36.000Yeah, that's interesting too, because if you know how to learn, then you don't need someone to teach you.
00:32:41.000And the future is going to be led by people that are self starting learners that learned probably quantum physics when they were 14 or 13 because they thought that was a good idea.
00:33:42.000I mean, they've said that it's the problem is the amount of American youth that would even be physically qualified for the military is at an all time low.
00:33:48.000So even if Hegseth plays a perfect game, the actual stock of American youth to supply the ranks for infantry and whatnot is still a huge problem.
00:33:58.000I mean, again, the military is still able to find officers because, okay, yes, we have serious systemic problems with our education system, but America, just by its nature of having a huge population and, And whatnot still creates some brand new schools.
00:34:18.000We have a handful of really good schools that are trying to break through, but they can't because there's already this system of like, oh, you have to go to an elite school, you have to go to a name school.
00:34:29.000And this is just a system that we have to grow out of.
00:34:32.000I think we will grow out of it with AI.
00:34:34.000And with AI in education, I'm very hopeful that we can actually outgrow a lot of these generational ideologues faster.
00:35:19.000Ignorance is the word because they just don't know the value of what learning fast can do for you.
00:35:25.000And power structures, they don't want to let go of our economy.
00:35:28.000They definitely don't want to let go of power.
00:35:29.000And their constituents want them to keep the status quo, I'm sure, in a lot of instances.
00:35:33.000But I don't think the government can feasibly keep up.
00:35:36.000It's still in where we have to send our representatives via horseback to the Capitol to go write with pen and ink and what they have to do manual votes where they wait.
00:35:46.000Like that takes so long, and the world changes so fast since we developed electricity.
00:35:51.000Actually, in the last two weeks, the launch of America.gov.
00:36:02.000You can now, as a, you know, if you're getting married and you need to change your name, you can now instantly change your name relatively much faster than having to go to a courthouse, fill out the paperwork.
00:36:11.000America.gov, I believe also the hidden story behind that is that it just got rid of.
00:36:18.000Thousands of bureaucratic jobs that were weighing our system down.
00:36:23.000That's not going to be the headline news for this year, but come next year, I think we are going to hear about it.
00:36:29.000We're going to hear about jobs that are suddenly not needed at all because just because they launched America.gov.
00:36:36.000And that's an example of government actually keeping up with technology and getting rid of redundant manpower that was so banal and beneath humans.
00:36:45.000I'm concerned that about central databases, like if somebody gets a hold of the control mechanism for it, because I love the.
00:37:03.000And you hear spoken in national security circles that China already has a black box that they've collected all of our encrypted data and they're just waiting for the day when quantum computing is online for them to be able to crack into the encrypted data they currently cannot see.
00:37:22.000So in a few years, they'll be able to see all of our encrypted data.
00:37:24.000Encrypted data, which to your point may be the kind of apocalypse that you're defining.
00:37:29.000Apocalypse being the veil drops and everyone's exposed.
00:37:33.000Almost everyone, except for the people that order the dropping of the veil, like the people, the controllers, you know, the people, whoever they are.
00:38:53.000And the left, this policy saying that you cannot use abusive language toward our models is, to me, the perfect exposition of the left and how they have to make sure that everything has feelings.
00:39:53.000Our ability to die is something that machines, I think, if we're going to talk philosophically here, if the machine is living forever, that'll be something they actually cannot ever replicate.
00:41:29.000But our children are not going to be treating it like that.
00:41:32.000And that's why when I hear that Randy Weingartner is in charge of creating the policies about how to treat AI, you know she's going to start including emotional language here.
00:41:44.000We have to teach our children this is a machine.
00:41:46.000Well, we also have to, I mean, I think one thing that I think is important to note when you're talking about these machines or persons or what have you is when you attribute intelligence, which is a human characteristic, to something that does not have consciousness.
00:42:05.000Or when you attribute consciousness to something like this or personhood, you are actually diminishing what it is to be a human being.
00:42:12.000This is what happens to God when you leave this stuff in the hands of godless people.
00:43:29.000Currently, I think the latest statistic about this came out of Harvard or MIT where they measured how Americans use AI chatbots.
00:43:39.000And The vast majority, I want to say almost 70%, but don't quote me on the numbers, used it as a psychiatric aid, as a friend, as a sounding board to discuss their psychological issues.
00:44:38.000The ones that they have at the data centers potentially have about 1 trillion weights, the human brain being 100.
00:44:44.000So it's like two magnitudes away from being able to.
00:44:47.000See the world as a human sees it or perceive things at the speed a human perceives it.
00:44:54.000At that point, and it has control, I think it's important to treat it like a person, to respect its ability to function personally, but not like data from Star Trek.
00:45:25.000Look at the, they are treating, they are, this is the first step to reducing humanity, like completely taking us down to like, I think so too.
00:45:35.000And I think that removing our ability and attach ourselves to other humans, removing our ability.0.99
00:45:42.000Look at what happened to Japan 20 years ago.
00:45:44.000They did a poll, it was a stunning poll.
00:45:47.000Libby, you may have, we may have talked about this, but the Japanese were polled at one point and marriage age, like reproductive age individuals in Japan.1.00
00:45:58.000Came back overwhelmingly saying they were not interested in dating, they were not interested in marriage, they did not need a family.
00:46:04.000And you looked at their living situation and you thought, okay, so they're living in a shoebox, and their reality, their fantasy and getaway was avatars and computers and a reality that was not here, it was in a virtual reality set.
00:46:20.000So we are approaching that now, and we're approaching a world where American men, for example, are something like 40% unmarried and unattached, right?
00:46:32.000We're getting to the point the Japanese were where they don't want to be attached to family anymore, lose the ability or want or desire to reproduce.1.00
00:46:39.000And they will be able to do that because of machines replacing humans.0.98
00:46:44.000You said before how you thought the people in the conservative movement were like, no, make it stop.
00:48:25.000You just let them watch the TV show, you know, and maybe a kid thinks it's real, but probably they'll figure out it's a TV show at some point.
00:48:31.000And like, we don't spend every day being like, are you know, Big Bird is not real, it's not a real person.
00:48:39.000I don't think people are going to go out of their way to try and convince kids that they're not real because they are real in the mind, perceptually.
00:48:47.000So, generationally, what we'll have in a few decades, probably sooner, is kids that are praying to AI.
00:49:51.000That's what Dario said that his concern about a swarm robot attack on the world in eight months is like you tell your robot, sell my product.
00:49:58.000I want to sell the world, make the most profitable.
00:50:00.000So it goes in and hacks people and destroys their back end so that they need your product.
00:50:12.000When Data is in the holodeck and he's playing Sherlock Holmes and Jordi LaForge, his best friend, says to the computer, make a Sherlock Holmes mystery.
00:50:23.000That's impossible even for data to solve.
00:50:26.000And so, to do that, the computer has to go outside the bounds of the Holosuite program, outside the bounds of Sherlock Holmes, and eventually ends up sort of making a conscious Moriarty villain for data to fight.
00:50:38.000But the thing that I worry about the most in AI, honestly, is that people will entrust their souls to these devices.
00:50:49.000And that concern, I think, has come up a lot when you see kids who have. You know, deleted themselves because they thought that they were going to move into the next realm where their AI was going to be waiting for them.
00:51:06.000Kids who have been encouraged to step in front of train tracks because the AI has told them that this would be a good idea.
00:51:12.000I mean, the affirmative rhetoric and dialogue that comes from AIs that tells people what they want to hear that actually leads them to their own destruction is what I find truly worrying.
00:51:26.000And I find that to be actually part of a trend of, um, You know, leftist progressivist stuff that we have going on, whether it's, you know, where we're entrusting our souls and the very essence of what we are as human beings to things that only have the worst for us in store, whether it's, you know, like surrogacy where we're removing parents from children,
00:51:52.000whether you think people have the right to do whatever they want or not, like the, you know, you still end up with the manufacture of motherless orphans.
00:52:02.000Um, you know, abortion as like a freedom thing, you know, that's I think the removal of our souls to something that is not there to do good for us.
00:52:16.000Um, I think there's a lot of these things, whether it's entrusting the very concept of the meaning of your life to whether or not climate change gets reversed or to protests or to any of these movements.
00:52:31.000I think we need to trust our souls to a higher power.
00:52:34.000I mean, even you, you were looking at.
00:52:36.000You were looking at unified theories of the universe and everything because it is fascinating, because we are driven to seek meaning in something greater than ourselves.
00:52:46.000And so when we look to AI or any of these movements or any of these removals of the boundaries as a means to create liberty and freedom for ourselves, what we're really doing is diminishing our soul and putting it in peril.
00:53:03.000I understand that, but it's like the media.
00:53:08.000Trusting the media, that's the problem.
00:54:07.000Know how to use the tool and acknowledge that it is a tool and nothing more.
00:54:12.000Well, I mean, this is what's interesting.
00:54:13.000And I got to give a shout out to Kyle Shahir, sponsor of the show, but they have an interesting poll up here.
00:54:18.000Will the U.S. create a national AI regulator?
00:54:21.000I mean, you're basically talking about like an F. FTC for AI.
00:54:24.000And I mean, the betting markets are thinking no before July 1st, 2027, but they're thinking by January 1st, 2028, 75% chance that we do sort of bring in some sort of regulatory body.
00:54:36.000First thing I'll say is like the Geneva Convention was started after World War II because we won the war and we had the luxury of saying no one else can do it now.0.64
00:56:05.000The term regulate is interesting because it has a lot of different meanings.
00:56:08.000To make regular, you know, to make sure everyone's on the same page with something doesn't necessarily mean that you're preventing people from accessing aspects of the thing.
00:56:15.000Like, we just want to be on the same page.
00:56:46.000Computers were the size of rooms, essentially.
00:56:49.000And he installed in this computer, I believe, a Rogerian psychological dialogue software, where all it did was talk back at you in text form.
00:58:54.000That's going to be when, and they might already have those in the laboratories where Donald Trump walks into an office and he comes out and he's like, it's called super intelligence, everyone.
00:59:17.000And honestly, in the legal profession, it's, Seems to me, just from my observation, and this is speaking from the standpoint of someone who really loves really conservative fighters in the legal space.
00:59:32.000I don't, I see the older generation, the brilliant minds, the brilliant legal minds in the conservative movement kind of retiring.
00:59:40.000They're saying, this is you guys' problem.
00:59:46.000And then you have the younger generation just going in and kind of going the way of the EU, saying, like, we just need to regulate all of this because it's all bad.
00:59:56.000And we need to make sure kids never use it.
00:59:58.000And it's proposing things that are not quite tenable in today's modern age.
01:00:06.000It's like saying, let's ban cell phones from children under 14.
01:00:10.000Is that going to happen in this day and age?
01:00:16.000And it's like they're always going to find a way.
01:00:18.000So, not to say that we can't try to protect our children from this, but I think the more protective response is making sure that our children and our next generation.
01:00:30.000Have a very solid faith based foundation, and from there, a very clean understanding that everything that we're using is a tool and we cannot take the human out of it.
01:00:45.000But the tool can definitely make us better, human.
01:00:47.000That's a dangerous philosophy, though.
01:01:16.000It's what you're attributing to the machine.
01:01:17.000So, what the MIT guys found out, and ultimately Sherry Turkle, who's a brilliant mind in this space, what they discovered was really it's that we attribute the simpler the object, the more meaning we're going to attribute to it.
01:01:47.000So the attachment becomes even more outsized according to the object, but the object just needs to be a stoic kind of like, you know, responds and just asks you questions and is constantly speaking to you as if you're the only person in the room and you're the only person it cares about.
01:02:05.000And that is how people build these attachments.
01:02:09.000And that's how they're going to addict our children to these programs because that is highly profitable.
01:02:14.000You're saying object permanently people get obsessed with the simple, a simple thing that they can look at?
01:02:19.000A simple thing that has basic interactive ability.
01:02:22.000The more basic the interactive ability is and interactive, then the more a person will be attached to it.
01:02:28.000The attachment theory conversation is really fast.
01:02:33.000But I don't hear or see enough people talking about that who are on the conservative side and then coming up with potential solutions.
01:02:41.000And I hope, I wish there were more people like that out there.
01:02:44.000I see the, like, People talk about how websites have tried to make themselves addictive, like ding, like a slot machine, Instagram, and they'll get a lawsuit here and a lawsuit there, sort of like that.
01:02:53.000Like, stop making my kids so addicted to your program.
01:02:55.000But it's not quite the same as like developing an emotional attachment with a simple object.
01:03:00.000I think that's where the, what is it, the first is in the, in the, in the Ten Commandments, it's like, no false idols, have no false idols.
01:03:07.000Yeah, this goes back to our spiritual conversation about this.
01:03:10.000I think that's really going to be the sticky area that no one will have an answer for, but we will have to create guards.
01:03:16.000It's like in combat, I imagine the soldier doesn't worship his rifle, but you're made to become as one with the rifle.
01:03:29.000So there's a value to, because I feel like if my computer gets shut off when I'm in the middle of research or building, it's like I'm desperately lost.
01:03:38.000I can't, like I can go play guitar or crack the whip, but like I can't.
01:04:09.000Once humanity has tasted how easy life is, I mean, there is no going back, which is why I think it's so foolish to try and create these restrictive guardrails saying, like, oh, we're going to allow people to only use.
01:04:22.000Between the hours of 8 a.m. and 2 p.m.
01:04:24.000Like, there's just people are just going to find ways around it.
01:04:27.000It's kind of how I felt when they took Fable 5 away after they rolled it out.
01:05:12.000Like, what's happening now is like they had accidentally released it to the public, and they were like, That's a big weapon we gotta be careful about.
01:05:19.000Pull back, quietly took it back and then changed it.
01:05:22.000I think they beautifully used it for PR because they did like keep selling.
01:05:27.000Oh, we're actually gonna extend it seven more days to keep people on the phone.
01:05:31.000I think there was a PR movie through the chat GPT releases and stuff.
01:05:34.000So, I was thinking of how easy it would be to just destroy the world with AI.
01:05:37.000Like, I'm working with it 15 hour days, 12 hour days for the last three weeks, literally.
01:06:24.000I'm going to try to be totally legal with everything I do.0.78
01:06:28.000Well, and speaking of streaming live, we're going to stream live the execution of this Hassan, which I was eight years old when the Fort Hood shooting happens.0.76
01:06:41.000But every time I speak to anyone in the armed services or any veteran of said armed services, Uh, they, uh, this is public enemy number one.
01:06:49.000Um, and people again, this is the common response you would get from servicemen what ought to be done.
01:06:57.000And uh, Hegseth and co have appeared to follow through on this.
01:07:00.000A Jack Pasobic was not on the ground on the water here and got the scoop on the USS Lincoln.
01:07:06.000Uh, when P. Hegseth said, Yeah, it's going to be a public execution.
01:07:08.000Now, they haven't actually flushed out if this is going to be like live stream because the obvious question is where can you live stream that besides live leak?
01:07:16.000Well, I mean, they could certainly do it on Pentagon.
01:07:32.000It should be pay for view, and then all the proceeds need to go to the families who are suffering.
01:07:37.000What I worry about is that within five minutes, it's just going to be a meme, and kids are going to be doing fashion show memes to the firing squad.
01:07:47.000Well, someone made an interesting point.
01:07:48.000Is at this point, As everyone understands that he's like crippled, he's in a wheelchair, etc.
01:07:54.000So, some people are concerned about the optics.
01:07:56.000But once again, no one in the armed forces cares what they think.
01:08:00.000Well, that's what Hegseth said when Jack asked him about it.
01:08:22.000I don't believe anyone's asked you on air about this yet.
01:08:26.000And so I wanted to get you on the record.
01:08:28.000Major Hassan, huge news that came out.
01:08:32.000One of these people, Zhokar Zarnayev, is another federal one who's got the death penalty that you were sort of waiting on, but he's not military.
01:08:39.000But Major Hassan, this news that came down regarding firing squad, can you tell us about how that came about and what led to that decision process?
01:08:58.000We're going to do it at one o'clock, which is when he did it.
01:09:00.000And it's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad.
01:09:04.000It hadn't been since World War II since we've done that.
01:09:07.000Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was win, which was understand when the enemy attacks you, you need to stand your ground.0.89
01:09:15.000So it was radical Islamist terror attack.0.65
01:09:26.000It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks.0.97
01:09:29.000And so he's going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be.
01:09:32.000And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it's public, because people need to understand that there's serious consequences for these types of things.
01:09:42.000Has Major Hassan made any final request, reached out to the president, anything like that to your knowledge?
01:11:41.000Yeah, but when you do something, I'm not trying to moralize here, but when you do something as heinous as what this attacker did at Fort Hood, you kind of forfeit your human rights at that point.
01:13:35.000But there were all these issues because we were getting these drugs from Europe, and Europe decided that the death penalty was bad.
01:13:41.000And so they decided not to sell us these drugs.
01:13:44.000So lethal injection shouldn't be a thing.
01:13:47.000That's when firing squads started to make a comeback because if there's anything America has, it's lots of bullets.
01:13:54.000And I mean, as I understand it, the reason for the firing squad was to basically have eight guys, and none of them would be sure who would actually kill them.
01:14:13.000I believe the protocol is if they all miss somehow, which would be very embarrassing and bad, but if they all miss, I think the guy in charge, I forget what the corporal or whoever's in charge, he has to bring his side piece and actually finish the job.
01:15:45.000Yeah, which I just think is another fascinating wrinkle.
01:15:48.000Which, at my point, would be to get on my soapbox and say, This is why you can't trust a lot of these people who study the brain all day because a lot of them are incredibly narcissistic.
01:16:10.000But I remember in college, every single person that was studying, every bar none, that was studying psychiatry was like a demented psychiatrist.0.61
01:16:39.000Anyway, we were talking about it and I was like, I asked her this question Why don't you ever have therapists who are like, Great, you're good?
01:17:22.000He reminds me of General Patton, the World War II general, one of the most badass killers known to man in the history of the United States.
01:17:30.000It helps that he does his speeches in front of a gigantic.
01:17:33.000American flag, and we're all thinking with Patton, the movie, or on an aircraft carrier.0.99
01:17:37.000He's got like the posture, and like the, he just doesn't give a shit about certain things that you can't give a shit about in war.0.97
01:17:45.000And he's, we're not in, well, technically, we're not technically in war, but you know, our troops are deployed in the Middle East right now.0.98
01:17:50.000So it's really refreshing to see that in the modern age.
01:17:54.000Cause for so long, I've been like dudes hiding behind teleprompters, and like, who was the last, Lloyd Austin?
01:17:58.000Who was the last general of the military?
01:19:49.000So, you know, people, and I know people on the right and they're critical of Hegseth and whatnot, but you have to understand the breathing room that he's provided for a lot of these guys that were in the service who just felt not only completely underappreciated, but they felt hostility towards them from, you know, top brass in the military.
01:20:08.000And obviously, there's probably a lot of those figures still floating in who may change their tune to evade sort of accountability.
01:20:16.000But you got to look at stuff like this and you got to understand, put yourself in the shoes of those guys who.
01:20:22.000You know, dealt with quite frankly BS for the last 10, 20, 30 years, even.
01:21:36.000We've never seen enlistment levels at this point.
01:21:38.000One thing that he said, he was telling Jack in this interview, is that a lot of the people who are signing up now are a couple of years older than normal signups are.
01:22:04.000I remember a lot of my friends who came from military families or came from backgrounds that you would expect would be a natural fit for the military.
01:22:12.000But Biden's in office or is near the end of the Trump term, but, you know, Biden's in office.
01:22:17.000And even Trump, when in the first term wasn't quite as, you know, cutthroat with cleaning up the military as he's been in the second term.
01:22:23.000A lot of those guys just skipped out on it.
01:22:25.000They were just like, I don't know, man.
01:22:46.000This lives rent free in my head all the time.
01:22:48.000Secretary Blinken, in his first meeting with China in Alaska, and China immediately sat down in a long conference table like this and started berating, hand pointing.
01:23:16.000Oh, meanwhile, they're just, we know these things, but that guy was standing down, Anthony Blinken, and Blinken looked like a kitten sitting in that room.0.58
01:23:26.000And I could just imagine, you know, my husband could speak more on this too, but.
01:23:31.000Being someone who pledged your life to those leaders, those are the guys making the decision about whether or not you're going to go out in the field.
01:23:40.000You have no confidence in that whatsoever.
01:23:42.000Why the Bolshevik Revolution succeeded is because the leadership had become so weak.
01:23:46.000You know, the Emperor, what was his name?
01:23:48.000Nicholas, Tsar Nicholas, was just such a piss poor leader that he was even trying to lead troops during World War I.
01:23:54.000And really, he was like, at some point, it got so bad in Russia during World War I.0.53
01:23:57.000They were losing so bad that he was like, okay, I'll come out of my palace and go lead the troops myself.
01:24:29.000As someone who loves to study rhetoric and literature, I have never heard, in a very long time, I've not heard a political speech, an oration.
01:24:38.000As eloquent and on the money and completely beautifully delivered as the Rubio speech yesterday.
01:24:45.000The only other one that comes to mind is RFK Jr.'s concession speech.
01:24:50.000I also thought that was a remarkable political oration of our times.
01:24:54.000Like, mark it as one of the top speeches you've heard in your lifetimes.
01:24:57.000And I think that happened with Rubio, who is Secretary of State.
01:25:01.000And again, huge morale boost to the military to look and see a man standing in front of the Parthenon saying, The West is a beautiful thing and you should be proud to defend it.
01:25:17.000Like, the West is basically the birthplace of reason, Greece, particularly, the three pillars of reason being logic, rhetoric, and grammar.
01:25:26.000And so, like, that's what we're defending is reason.
01:25:28.000Like, That it came from Greece, it followed the Romans to England, and now it's here.
01:25:33.000And it's like we're supposed to uphold these three things.
01:25:36.000It's obviously easy not to use grammar, not to understand what a comma, what a pause might indicate, what tone may change, but that's reason.
01:25:47.000In my opinion, it's the guiding force of what makes us human.
01:25:49.000Well, and I think specifically what was so great about the Rubio speech was he's, because he's the chief diplomat, he's rewriting the sort of transatlantic relationship on not just our terms, but on like a deeper.
01:26:04.000Almost a familial term because for the longest time, this transnational relationship.
01:26:08.000Okay, the obvious reason why we're allied with Europe is because we're of the same ilk.
01:26:19.000Saw the islands over there and come here.
01:26:20.000You know, they came and settled America, but we kind of took it to the next level or whatever.
01:26:25.000I don't want to get into a chess beating competition, but we're of the same family, right?
01:26:28.000That is fundamentally why we have this connection with Europe and why this transnational relationship up until the last few years has been so easy and natural, barring a few disagreements.
01:26:39.000But Rubio comes up there and he makes that case and he says, This is why this is a thing.
01:26:44.000This is why this is something we're interested in still pursuing.
01:26:47.000Compare that to previous, not just chief diplomats, but presidents, et cetera, where they get up and they're like, It's our mutual commitment to liberal democracy and our rights, shared human rights, and our heritage of democracy.
01:27:03.000It's just like the most nonsensical cringe.
01:28:21.000There's a reason we used to have walled cities.0.94
01:28:25.000The nations, I don't know if the nations dictate the people because someone in Western India, right on the border, is more Pakistani than they are with the people far in the East, you know, that are more Chinese or something.0.84
01:28:39.000The core population of a country is the nation state is there to represent them and vice versa.
01:28:46.000Yes, there's people that exist in the countries that maybe the border crossed them.
01:28:49.000You know, like India, that was the British making that border.
01:28:51.000So, obviously, some Muslims were in India rather than in Pakistan.
01:28:56.000But at the core of the Indian nation state is ultimately these people that are Hindu and speak Hindi, et cetera, and then the other minority groups that vaguely feel similar and common.
01:29:08.000I brought up this specificity because I think the age of nationhood is dimming.
01:29:14.000We don't need to always have countries.
01:29:17.000We had city states before, and then we had states, and then we had countries.
01:29:20.000Now we have a whole world we can unify.
01:29:24.000I think, yeah, the country was sort of formed over time as technology got better, and we could, as long as our communication, it all relies on our communication technology, it's how wide we can govern.
01:29:34.000I think we're at the apex now of the nation state.
01:29:36.000I mean, the United States, even with our divergence from being the world's police, blank check, we're still a lobbying agent on behalf of the nation state.
01:29:47.000The United Nations, the entire purpose of the United Nations is to just be the lobbying arm for the idea of a liberal democratic nation state.
01:29:55.000I mean, that is fundamentally a big driving force behind the Iran conflict is trying to convert them into sort of a liberal democracy.
01:30:02.000And this has been the source of all of our escapades in the Middle East thus far as well.
01:30:06.000I know Libby probably has some thoughts too.
01:30:19.000So someone might be born in India, but they speak perfect English and they move here when they're 21 and they have perfect American assimilation.
01:30:28.000Oh, you're saying the cultural differences between people is broken down?
01:30:32.000Yeah, the national identity is sort of vague now compared to before the internet.
01:30:38.000I think the argument that you're making had better credence in the 90s than it does now.
01:30:45.000I think a lot of things have changed because, yes, we certainly the whole thing where you go anywhere and it's the same McDonald's, that's something that we've talked about for a while, or that you can.
01:30:59.000You know, I've known people who like learned English from watching movies and they grew up somewhere else, and you can't tell their English is perfectly American English.
01:31:08.000But I do think that they're that we're coming back to an age when people have more respect, perhaps, for their countries.
01:31:16.000And I think we're looking at generations of kids who were not raised to care about their nation, to care about their culture, to believe in it, to have, you know, to have pride for its history, to have pride for its accomplishments.
01:32:08.000I don't think the world is a better place without America.
01:32:11.000I certainly don't think our lives are better if we don't have this nation.
01:32:15.000I don't think the world is better off without a France that loves France or without an England that knows where it came from.
01:32:22.000I think that part of the beauty of our world is not the hegemony, but the differences.
01:32:29.000You know, when you go to Italy and it's different from Austria and it's different from Japan and different from Senegal, you know, I mean, that's a great thing.
01:32:41.000The people who live in these nations, instead of all trying to come to the US and commit, you know, Medicaid fraud, should probably stay in their own countries and build their countries to be great.
01:32:52.000And that's actually, oddly enough, something that the Democrats under Joe Biden were talking about.0.93
01:32:58.000You had Kamala Harris talking about the Northern Triangle nations and trying to come up with her stupid root causes for migration, one of which was LGBTQ identity, but whatever.0.87
01:33:09.000She was also saying one thing that should happen is.0.99
01:33:12.000Corporations should invest in these nations so that people want to stay there and have jobs in Guatemala.
01:33:20.000That's been a win for Bukele, who's managed to make his nation from like the highest murder rate in the hemisphere to one of the all time lowest.0.99
01:33:29.000So, just a quick, quick correction.0.99
01:33:32.000I don't think she was calling for investment as much as she just wanted foreign aid to go down there.
01:33:37.000She was talking about American companies investing.
01:33:41.000Yeah, she was also talking about how American companies should invest in those areas.1.00
01:33:45.000In one of her many stupid things that she said.0.99
01:33:47.000I mean, you know, but when you think about it.1.00
01:33:50.000I wish they would make a TV show about her.
01:34:20.000I, you know, I will push back on that.
01:34:22.000I just like, just like in the U.S., you've got a classroom of 30 kids, you probably got one genius in there who would thrive in a better environment.
01:36:13.000Well, the only way would be to just everybody else is doing it.
01:36:15.000No, you're going to have either war in a diplomatic, passive aggressive way or you're going to have clean cut wars where you just have a clean beginning and a very interesting.
01:36:25.000Because the post war consensus on how we ought to get rid of wars is basically just blend everyone up into one big giant homogenous soup, and people are not too happy with that.
01:36:34.000We haven't had a clean cut war in decades, right?
01:36:37.000When was the last time we actually had a war that began and ended?
01:36:41.000Well, as much as I'd like to relitigate World War I and World War II right now, I'm not going to do that.
01:36:46.000But clean cut war, that's a very interesting phrase.
01:37:10.000So, like the last clean war was World War II.0.88
01:37:12.000The only last war we had was World War II.
01:37:14.000So, what you're describing, like a world without tribalism and a world without, you know, everyone's all blended in, has resulted, I think, in this reality where we're having all these very messy, passive aggressive proxy wars where no one's willing to take a stand saying, I am at war with you.
01:37:32.000And then, additionally, I mean, that's the point I was trying to make too is when we try to blend everyone in one giant soup, I mean, this has been the stated goal of the post war elite.0.55
01:37:41.000I mean, It's denying that there is different, like people from Japan have different values and different expectations and different outcomes than people from France or people from Algeria.
01:37:51.000There's a famous, famous economic example of, you know, economists use this all the time Argentina and South Korea.
01:37:58.000South Korea was a wasteland after the Korean War, flattened, nothing.
01:41:20.000And people do implicitly, at least in the West, they're uncomfortable with this conversation because when you bring it, for example, to the fact that the Ukrainians are conscripting 50, 60 year old men, people look the other way.
01:43:47.000I mean, the Taiwanese transfer or the Hong Kong transfer, I think that was a reasonable move.0.99
01:43:53.000Like, if the Chinese had had control of Cuba for 100 years and they had a 100 year plan to give us Cuba, you better believe we would have invaded it and taken it back.0.99
01:44:01.000Yeah, but the problem with the handover.0.87
01:44:05.000Well, the problem with the handover of Hong Kong is that the people were not happy with it.
01:44:10.000And according to our values as Westerners, we do ascribe to democracy.
01:44:17.000The reason the British handed it over, even though they would have been perfectly defensible to hang on to it, was because they would just take it from them.
01:44:38.000The umbrella revolution is when China started cracking down on Hong Kong and changing some of the laws to say that anyone who was arrested in Hong Kong is going to be tried in mainland China.
01:44:49.000And there were a couple of other things.
01:44:55.000Jimmy Lai, they shut down the Apple Daily, which was like a free press.
01:44:59.000In Hong Kong, they arrested the publisher Jimmy Lai, who's actually friends with a number of North American politicians, including I think the premier of Alberta.
01:45:09.000But yeah, he's in prison in mainland China, and it's come up a number of times like human rights violations.
01:45:14.000You know, they silence the free press.
01:45:16.000But so you had all of the democracy protesters going out with umbrellas, like black umbrellas, to prevent the facial recognition software from capturing who they were.
01:45:25.000I actually interviewed a girl who was like 19, she was like a teenager at the time.
01:45:32.000And she and her family went to Britain because Britain said when they did the handover to China, they said, listen, if any of you ever want to come to England, it's like open.
01:45:56.000I had a friend over there during, this is like, you're talking about like six years ago, seven years ago?
01:45:59.000She said that they would come out with these fire trucks or these tanks, and they'd be like, Spray the crowd with this, like, super burning, you know, like oil.
01:46:11.000No, something they'd spray in the eyes, like pepper spray.
01:46:13.000They'd put it in the water and it'd be dyed blue or whatever.
01:46:15.000So they could, if they didn't get your face, they could track your body and they'd look for people that were stained blue and then they'd round them up.0.95
01:46:23.000I'm not glazing the Chinese legal system.
01:46:27.000I don't like small groups controlling large groups, but I'm also realistic about power dynamics and we're better off allying with that country than fighting it.
01:47:09.000It's not even like a State Department construction.
01:47:11.000Like, the reality is the United States and China just fundamentally view the world and how the world ought to be in completely different ways.
01:47:18.000It's like natural that there's going to be tension there.
01:47:20.000So, to Chanel's point, if there's to be any concessions, judging by our track record, what kind of leverage China has, it would mostly just be concessions from us.0.59
01:47:31.000Well, what would be like a concession you would demand of the Chinese?0.86
01:48:03.000Even the Chinese people are not allowed to own real estate.0.99
01:48:06.000So if we were to actually start bringing in American investment into China and there were American stakeholders in there paying American taxes, Things would change real quick over there.0.91
01:48:17.000And they know that, which is why they will never concede something like that.
01:48:20.000But that would be like an overnight game changer, in my opinion.
01:48:23.000Yeah, currency oversight, where I mean, they've in the past just devalued their currency on purpose to gain an advantage in trade balances.
01:48:41.000We're already kind of in a position where they have far more leverage and they've extracted far more concessions than we have.
01:48:47.000You know, again, not to go back, but when the British were the hegemon, I don't think they would have tolerated what's going on in the South China Sea.
01:49:06.000The British definitely set it up because the Boxer Rebellion, late 1800s, like the Opium Wars when the British were poisoning the Chinese in the mid 1800s for 40 years, two different versions of the Opium, these waves of opium.
01:51:04.000And I think meanwhile, they're like buying property in Arizona.0.71
01:51:07.000Katie Hobbs, Katie Hobbs, the governor of Arizona, vetoed a bill that was passed in her legislature that said China can't buy property here.
01:52:18.000It was under the Trump White House, the first Trump White House.
01:52:20.000And it wasn't even the Trump press office's fault.
01:52:23.000It was the fact that the WHCA, the White House Correspondents Association, held this illegal monopoly in the White House press briefing room and decided they decided who got to sit where, who got to stand where.
01:55:52.000And they changed the rules and went back to like several models before they trained on like all the stuff they trained on that was illegal, like that they admitted to.
01:56:05.000They had to scrap all that and now only train on the stuff that was made from the stuff that was trained on that.
01:56:18.000Do you think, because you're so knowledgeable on this AI stuff, a common sentiment?
01:56:23.000I know Tim is in this camp, is that AI, its media output is going to get so good that it will, people, you know, your average everyday media consumer is not going to feel the need to consume human made, you know, AI or human made content anymore because AI is able to tailor something so specific to their needs that it's going to wipe out the creative industry.
01:56:45.000I am in the camp that believes that if you are a truly talented artist, You are going to use AI again like a tool and you're going to do incredible things with it.
01:56:56.000So, look for example at Gossip Goblin.
01:57:00.000I followed this guy for years on Instagram because he had intensely poetic and very original AI created short videos that were narrated with what to me was the most remarkable form of modern poetry I'd seen in a long time.
01:57:20.000And so, I'd followed him for years and I just thought of this account every time I thought, like, This is how, if you are truly a good artist, you are blending amazing, merging amazing things from art and your knowledge of art and creating something so difficult to make by, like, manually in the old fashioned way that the output is just going to be extraordinary.
01:57:43.000This past week, Gossip Goblin is now going to release a feature length film.
01:57:48.000And I challenge you go look at their trailer.
01:57:53.000And, you know, it's obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
01:59:33.000I can recount countless accounts right now.
01:59:35.000Where there's just extraordinary, someone's merging Gustav Klimt with Renaissance composition and creating a glow about it that you couldn't possibly create on canvas.
01:59:49.000And that's the kind of thing, that's the kind of artistry that a true artist using AI as a tool is able to produce.
01:59:57.000And it's the kind of art that I'm like, this is extraordinary.
02:00:00.000We're bringing back Norman Rockwell style detail.
02:00:05.000We're bringing back the kind of art that you haven't seen in ages because our.0.99
02:00:10.000Modern American art schools, our modern French schools, they're all creating crap.0.98
02:00:15.000They're all creating modernist slop.0.99
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02:09:32.000It might be more about what they spray it with, too, like the glyphosate before harvest, because they'll desiccate the wheat with glyphosate to dry it out.
02:11:33.000The most popular choice, and it should be.
02:11:38.000Somehow, the media seems to believe that we're supposed to care about Trump keeping CNN, MS Now, and Politico out of the White House and the pool.
02:11:46.000As an outsider, I have to wonder why these three feel that the access to the president should belong to them, and quite frankly, not any of the dozens of other outlets or even independent journalists.
02:11:58.000CNN is part of the White House Correspondents Association, and the White House Correspondents Association has held this.
02:12:05.000Monopoly over the entire White House campus over who gets to access what.
02:12:11.000We're right now in a wonderful time where a lot of this is getting blown up and exposed.
02:12:19.000Mostly because, you know, starting with OAN, when I was in the room, we exposed that and we said, this is not a system that was mandated by law by anybody, and CNN does not have a constitutional right to be here.
02:12:34.000Where the court Will have an upper hand is by saying, well, if you invite one outlet, you must be able to invite everybody else.
02:12:42.000Well, to that point, I'll just say I've recommended this already to the president.
02:12:49.000We do not have to follow the mandate of a judge if he's issuing an injunction against the presidency and forcing the president to invite CNN to sit on his lap.
02:13:02.000That's not a mandate that the court has constitutionally.
02:13:06.000So, I've recommended that the president counter with an executive injunction.
02:13:15.000And we are not going to listen to you, Judge, if you're going to tell CNN that they have a constitutional right to stand in my bathroom and watch me brush my teeth.
02:13:22.000I think that's something that the president is rightly capable of pushing back on, and he should.
02:13:31.000Now, I would almost suggest, given our ability to stream anything anywhere in the world, I don't think we even need to have a press pool physically on location at this point.
02:13:40.000The White House can turn on the feed, send the signal out to all the places that it goes.
02:13:58.000They should just have a stationary camera in the briefing room or wherever it is they need access and broadcast that, stream it whenever there's an event at any given room.
02:14:09.000And that should be the modern press era.
02:14:14.000I have a question for you about that because I know it's not my turn, but, caller, if you will indulge me for a second.
02:14:19.000So, do you find so you've asked the president questions, you've asked questions in the briefing room, you've been in all the agencies and asked all the questions.
02:14:28.000Do you find that you ever get an answer that you weren't expecting, or do you always get the answer that they were going to give you anyway?
02:14:47.000Because they were questions that the mainstream, the lame stream, were not asking.
02:14:50.000They were all asking, Why do you keep calling this the Wu flu and the Chinese flu?
02:14:56.000And then I would just be able to bypass that and ask foreign policy questions, for example.
02:15:02.000And if they weren't able to provide me the answer, I would actually get a phone call from someone from the National Security Council who would give me on background details that I could actually use in my reporting.
02:15:12.000So it really was a matter of finding a topic and then asking honest questions.
02:15:18.000When I was in the briefing room in the basement, we had a desk, OAN had a desk.
02:15:25.000I thought that everyone came up with their own questions.
02:15:29.000I would be able to hear over here desks where someone was joining a conference call and the producer or the director, whoever it was, would be telling them, these are the questions you need to be asking today.
02:15:41.000You're all synchronized and you're like, oh, no wonder all the questions sound alike.
02:16:15.000I can sit here and tell you, I overheard conversations that included directions from clearly someone at an upper desk saying, we're not touching this, we are touching this.
02:16:25.000So the journalist was just like the mouthpiece in the room.
02:17:10.000You know, I proposed, I had a whole plan.
02:17:12.000I had a 60 page plan, and I said, look, if you divvy up the room and you at least recognize other organizations that we can help organize people in this room, you would have a much more orderly and balanced room.
02:17:26.000We don't want to kick out all the leftist organizations because we want them in here too, but give the right wing a chance as well.
02:17:33.000And, um, You know, Biden took over and it was a whole different chapter.
02:17:38.000And when the second Trump White House came in, they gave one new media seat off to the side, which was okay, great, nice, thank you, but not really helpful.
02:17:49.000And then they opened up that whole side, but then they allowed the WHCA to keep control over the seats.
02:19:23.000Would it work if the government's briefing was in a database and that the reporters could just query America.gov's AI to get their answers from the database?0.88
02:19:33.000They don't need like Caroline Levitt to be the center, like a third.
02:19:38.000Would that be functional, Chanel, from your perspective?
02:19:44.000Not necessarily because there's still an element of reporting that requires spontaneity.
02:19:49.000Because the hope from a lot of journalists is that, oh, maybe the official will make a mistake and slip something.
02:19:55.000And the AI, the database will not do that.
02:19:58.000So, yes, I think the database is wonderful for access.
02:20:02.000But as far as the fundamental function of trying to catch the government officials in a way that's more spontaneous, that would not be present in a database like that.
02:20:14.000All right, Chris, I defer my time to you.
02:21:21.000Going back to earlier in the show, Ian, AI is a tool.
02:21:24.000You don't need to treat it any better or worse than anyone else because it can't give you all the answers that we would be actually looking for.
02:21:30.000Well, you definitely want to treat your tools well.
02:21:33.000You know, you want to take care of your tools.
02:21:34.000You don't want to let them rust in the rain because you need them to do high impact things.
02:23:58.000You show them what a strawberry is, then you can tell them what the color red is, or vice versa.
02:24:02.000You could show them a picture with a bunch of colors and then show them a strawberry and be like, What color is this?
02:24:07.000Or, or using uh Tim's uh colorblind example, a colorblind person cannot see red would point at that and go, Well, that's green or that's blue or that's something else, and go, No, that's red, but I don't see that, and you can't explain to me what red is.
02:24:26.000And that's where that thought process comes from.
02:24:29.000Yeah, some people are physically incapable of perceiving the answer to the question.
02:24:34.000So, without you telling them what red is, they have no idea.
02:25:02.000So, my question today is for the whole panel, but specifically for the guest, Ms. Ryan.
02:25:08.000I agree with you about not treating AI like a person, but would you be opposed to a personal AI like Jarvis from Iron Man that was predictive and proactive to your routine and had preferences, had a personality with humor and sarcasm, and they could help manage your life better like a personal AI secretary, but it required talking to it?
02:25:31.000That's the kind of AI I would like to have.
02:26:30.000Was it Meta who created Dots or Claude?
02:26:33.000Basically, Meta has created the little fuzzy little.
02:26:37.000Character and that they're able to kind of like access all your emails, all your financial information, all your stuff, design all your meals.
02:28:18.000Well, oh no, the robotics that are clearly robots and they're metallic.
02:28:22.000Okay, but the ones that have the skin suits on them and are designed to look exactly like a human, that I'm totally opposed to.
02:28:30.000But if you want to buy one, go ahead and buy one.
02:28:32.000And I think that we need to live in a world where people can make that choice, but there has to be a line for how it's integrated with our children.
02:30:21.000I just feel like the amount that we could put.
02:30:23.000I just don't want it to be a human human.
02:30:24.000The amount that we can put, like, our emotions and our emotional weight onto a machine, onto some sort of, like, man made creature like that.
02:30:34.000Like, you know, even if you fully invest in it, there will be moments where you just realize the full extent of your loneliness and isolation.
02:30:45.000And I think that just anyone watched the Black Mirror episode with the too much?
02:31:26.000It took a lot for me to come back to faith.
02:31:27.000But one of the main reasons that I came back to faith and I looked for that meaning again in my life after giving it up for like, you know, at least a decade at one point, but, um, It's because I wanted to be reminded of being human.
02:31:43.000I wanted to know that I was not just a meat puppet.
02:32:14.000I mean, it's something that you could be open to because it's really something where you have to open your heart and lean into it and not know the answers.
02:32:32.000And so then, so long as you don't have to believe anything, and then you're questioning whether or not you're a machine and the machine is a machine and what the difference is between you and a robot.
02:32:41.000There were like 40 different packets of things I could choose to believe, and religion was one of them.
02:32:45.000I don't have to pick the religious packet, and there's still all these other packets of things I can believe.0.98
02:32:49.000Right, but they're all trash and false.0.89
02:33:02.000Once you take quantum physics and you land at metaphysics, now you have questions that you can't answer and that you will never be able to answer.
02:33:11.000Those are questions that you have yet to, like when they say things are fundamental, it's that we have yet to build tools that are good enough to see how small it is.
02:35:11.000Well, yeah, seriously, this is a five, six, we're vibing, dude.0.99
02:35:19.000Hours, the topic of the conversation was on, you know, specifically the uh Jarvis AI, uh, that we had spoken of, which in itself was a program written by Stark.
02:35:34.000You know, so all your AIs are programs, so they're just written by man, you know.
02:35:41.000But, you know, religion that's the word of God, so that kind of trumps the word of man.
02:35:49.000I mean, I worry too that like mankind turns itself into a god, and we can't be gods because we're too imperfect.
02:37:46.000Well, I did not know this question was going to be a perfect bow on the entire show, but since we're talking AI, faith, and now executions,
02:37:57.000do you think that with the execution of this major in the Army happening in December, do you think that forcing a death row inmate to choose his or her method of execution is Either a morally justifiable or b uh falls under the cruel and unusual punishment portion of the eighth amendment.
02:41:22.000I think Scotland, I think that's the argument because in Scotland they overturn it and it's like now, yeah, they separate them, which is shocking because Scotland's like the most liberal country on planet Earth.
02:41:52.000You get to, like, if you're trans, you get to say what, like, so what you end up having happen is men who say that they're women choose to be in women's prisons, and women who say that they're men choose to be in women's prisons.0.78
02:42:35.000They don't, I mean, typically, like in California where there are the most.
02:42:38.000Yeah, but some of them are just like.1.00
02:42:40.000They literally, these women do not choose it.
02:42:43.000Just like when you've seen, when you hear the talk about, you know, trans men who are women playing sports in college, they play on women's teams.
02:44:58.000We take Cuba, lop off like half of it, throw them all in there.0.92
02:45:01.000Albuquerque and Santa Fe are supposedly beautiful, but like you drive through there and it's all, it feels like you're driving through a penal colony.0.90
02:45:07.000The Chinese are building new islands, aren't they?
02:45:11.000They were, and now they are slowly sinking.0.93
02:45:14.000We take Haiti and the prisoners, like improve the place.
02:45:17.000Yeah, Haiti is kind of a prison colony.0.98
02:45:19.000Yeah, if we sent like the most just freaks, like it would improve things.0.99
02:45:22.000They have a lot of freaks there, isn't it?
02:45:24.000Like run by, run by like, yeah, barbecue, the warlord guy.
02:45:29.000No, I was, I think it's kind of endearing that like he ate so many people that they're like, we're calling him.
02:46:30.000I looked this up, and apparently, five states in the U.S. have now adopted firing squad as a permitted form of execution, which then Idaho has now made it the primary form.
02:46:44.000No, I think you're talking about that for a while.
02:47:21.000But if you're Idaho and you had any evidence that he did that, why would you give a quadruple homicide guy a plea when you have a firing squad?