Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 08, 2026


Cornell 7 BOMBSHELL, Jane Doe EXPOSED Defending Group Encounter | Timcast IRL

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00:02:17.000 New revelations in the Cornell 7 saga are here.
00:02:22.000 Text messages have dropped.
00:02:24.000 And there's a whole new element to the case.
00:02:27.000 A lot of people are speculating it, but now we have some ammunition to back up our speculations.
00:02:32.000 We're going to get into all of that.
00:02:33.000 Jane Doe was defending the actions, evidently, in the text that have been revealed by TMZ.
00:02:40.000 We're going to dive into all that fascinating stuff.
00:02:42.000 India's stock market is in total free fall.
00:02:45.000 The Trump administration has slammed the door.
00:02:48.000 On many large tech companies' access to H 1B visas, their ability to recruit people from overseas and throw them on the H 1B visa.
00:02:57.000 And the Indian stock market is now collapsing. 0.69
00:03:00.000 Now, if these people are such economic miracles, surely returning them to their country would create a stock market boom. 1.00
00:03:06.000 So I'm no economics expert, but something is off here. 1.00
00:03:09.000 I'm hoping the panel can help me figure out what is going on with the Indian H 1Bs. 1.00
00:03:14.000 Very interesting stuff. 1.00
00:03:15.000 And Pete Hegseth has announced that there's going to be public executions coming back.
00:03:19.000 Very exciting stuff.
00:03:20.000 It was actually Jack Posobic with Human Events who got the scoop on that.
00:03:24.000 We're going to discuss that and so much more.
00:03:27.000 And you're probably looking at me and you're saying, You're not Tim, you're not Phil, I'm out.
00:03:30.000 I'm sure I'm out is whizzing on the right side of your screen on the live chat.
00:03:35.000 I say, Give us at least 10 minutes.
00:03:37.000 I promise we have a great show for you tonight.
00:03:39.000 It's going to be fantastic stuff.
00:03:41.000 But before we get into today's news, I have to shout out this fantastic event coming up, which has taken our faithful leader away from us for the weekend the Chicago Thinker with Tim Poole.
00:03:53.000 This is going to be A rip roaring intellectual gathering in Chicago.
00:03:59.000 Tim Pool, Jack Pasobic is going to be there.
00:04:01.000 It's going to be fantastic.
00:04:02.000 If you are in the Chicago area or you just fancy a trip to Chicago this weekend, grab you some tickets and get on up there.
00:04:10.000 It is Friday at 4 p.m., University of Chicago at the Study of Ancient Cultures Museum.
00:04:16.000 Excellent stuff.
00:04:17.000 Look, the tickets, that's a good deal for an evening with Tim Pool.
00:04:20.000 Come on, it's going to be fantastic stuff.
00:04:22.000 So head on over to the event, Bright.
00:04:24.000 I think we have the link in the description.
00:04:26.000 Grab you a ticket if you're in the Chicago area.
00:04:27.000 It's going to be a great show.
00:04:28.000 And of course, as always, Cass Brew Coffee.
00:04:32.000 Not even because I work here, it is just objectively the best coffee on the market.
00:04:37.000 Fantastic stuff.
00:04:38.000 We had Mary Morgan in the studio yesterday, which was fantastic.
00:04:42.000 Hadn't seen her in a while.
00:04:42.000 And of course, she came back just at the right time for Mary's Ghost Blend.
00:04:46.000 It is the perfect autumn blend as we approach Halloween, a very spooky season.
00:04:51.000 And it is met with an equally spooky bag.
00:04:53.000 Her eyes are blackened in it, which is quite terrifying.
00:04:56.000 So I'd recommend.
00:04:57.000 Grabbing a bag of that, a s'mores flavor.
00:04:59.000 We have some other fantastic blends on here.
00:05:02.000 Let's see, we got the 1776 blend.
00:05:04.000 We got Ian's Graphene Dream.
00:05:05.000 I mean, this is really some fantastic stuff, Ian's Graphene Dream.
00:05:09.000 A problem solving, as always, he's approached the coffee industry with a solution to a major problem, which is high acidity.
00:05:14.000 So fantastic stuff.
00:05:17.000 But let's get into the show.
00:05:19.000 We got a fantastic show and we got an even better guest tonight.
00:05:22.000 We are joined by Chanel Ryan.
00:05:23.000 How are you doing?
00:05:24.000 Great.
00:05:25.000 Good to be here.
00:05:25.000 Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:05:27.000 A lot of people are going to say, oh, it's Chanel, but maybe for those three or four people who aren't Familiar with you, could you give a quick intro of who you are and what you do?
00:05:33.000 Sure.
00:05:34.000 If you watch One American News, you might see my show, Fine Point, with Chanel Rian.
00:05:40.000 Libby Emmons is a frequent guest of ours.
00:05:42.000 Pam, I love coming on with you.
00:05:44.000 It's my pleasure.
00:05:45.000 I was chief White House correspondent for One American News for two years under Trump and two years under Biden, and it was a rollicking time.
00:05:55.000 I then set up my alternative White House Correspondents Association, National White House Correspondents Association.
00:06:03.000 On the side, I love to study AI and the conflicts with constitutional law, so I set up my own site.
00:06:12.000 I'm the editor in chief of Founding Code, where we talk about the collision between AI and constitutional law in today's society.
00:06:20.000 Beyond that, I got an ALB at Harvard for international relations, so I was not media trained and I was not journalistically trained.
00:06:31.000 And then I have a JD from Regent Law, so that's my academic background.
00:06:35.000 I come by way of Texas to DC.
00:06:40.000 I'm a reluctant swamp creature at this point.
00:06:43.000 Wow.
00:06:43.000 Well, we will be very reluctant with our DC plays.
00:06:46.000 Well, thank you so much for joining us.
00:06:47.000 Super excited. 0.91
00:06:48.000 We have the great Libby Emmons.
00:06:50.000 I'm hanging out with you guys tonight.
00:06:51.000 Really glad to be here.
00:06:52.000 Glad to be on with you, Chanel.
00:06:53.000 I'm the editor with the Postmillennial and I host the Podmillennial, the podcast that goes with the Postmillennial.
00:07:01.000 We got a special treat for all Timcast loyalists here.
00:07:03.000 We have the great Chris Carr.
00:07:04.000 Chris, what's going on, dog?
00:07:05.000 What's going on, guys?
00:07:06.000 Christ is King and patriotism is slavery. 1.00
00:07:08.000 So true. 0.96
00:07:09.000 Well, thank you so much for joining us.
00:07:11.000 You got the fantastic shades on.
00:07:12.000 Thank you.
00:07:13.000 I'm just trying to look half as cool as Carter does every single day.
00:07:16.000 Oh, dude.
00:07:17.000 I respect that.
00:07:18.000 Well, Ian, too, look at this.
00:07:19.000 Look what I'm competing with.
00:07:20.000 I got to do something.
00:07:20.000 Ian just got a bull whip yesterday.
00:07:22.000 Yeah, this will be here on Saturday, and then we'll crack it together.
00:07:25.000 You need any licenses or anything?
00:07:26.000 You can just let it fly.
00:07:27.000 I don't know.
00:07:28.000 I didn't ask.
00:07:28.000 I should ask AI.
00:07:29.000 Well, they sold it to you, right?
00:07:30.000 I just need to go watch some reruns of Indiana Jones.
00:07:33.000 Dude, I'm going to smoke pot and go out in my backyard and just crack the whip for like hours.
00:07:37.000 I'm just going to crack it until I get so proficient at it that any moment I can just snap it.
00:07:40.000 And that's when you're going to find the money changers in the temple.
00:07:43.000 I want to flip some tables, dude.
00:07:43.000 Yeah.
00:07:45.000 It's all coming together, Chris.
00:07:47.000 Chanel was telling us how pumped she was that Libby was on today.
00:07:47.000 Welcome, Chanel.
00:07:51.000 Dude, Chanel, it's nice to meet people that care about what you care about because we got about six months.
00:07:57.000 I don't know.
00:07:58.000 Time scales are weird with AI and technology.
00:08:00.000 Sometimes you think it's three months and it's 10.
00:08:01.000 Sometimes you think it's going to be two years and it's one month.
00:08:04.000 But I think we got about six months until our government relies so heavily on AI that there's no going back.
00:08:09.000 So we got to guide it constitutionally, at least legally, at least have, and morally.
00:08:15.000 So I'm glad you're here.
00:08:16.000 Let's talk about it.
00:08:17.000 Let's get into all that, but we got to get to the big news of the day. 0.97
00:08:21.000 From the post millennial, Justin Cornell Jane Doe defended, quote, gangbang in texts, said, quote, our body, our choice.
00:08:31.000 Newly unveiled text messages that took place just days after an incident in which Jane Doe alleged she was sexually assaulted at a fraternity at Cornell show her defending the gangbang and telling a fraternity member involved in the incident, I don't think we should feel any shame for the part.
00:08:48.000 Our body, our choice, ASF as flip.
00:08:51.000 I'll censor that a little bit there.
00:08:53.000 The text chain obtained by TMZ took place between Jonathan Newell and Jane Doe, obviously not her real name.
00:08:59.000 It's a stand in for legal purposes.
00:09:01.000 On the evening of October 21st, 2024, the incident took place overnight on the 19th of that month at the Chi Phi fraternity.
00:09:10.000 Newell texted Jane Doe to apologize, saying, My memory's kind of fuzzy about a lot of it, and that he and another member identified as Matt feel like.
00:09:18.000 Uh, S H I T, presumably, for being too effed up to shut it down and kick people out before it got way out of hand.
00:09:25.000 He added, You're an amazing person, and I genuinely hope you're not catching as much heat from this as we are.
00:09:31.000 We've been shutting down any stories we've heard, but again, I'm so, so sorry.
00:09:37.000 And then this is where things begin to unravel, I think, for Jane Doe here.
00:09:40.000 This is quite fascinating stuff.
00:09:43.000 Jane Doe replied in all lowercase letters Oh, Jonathan, I really appreciate this text.
00:09:48.000 My memory is super clouded too.
00:09:51.000 She said she thought everyone was, quote, too drunk and high.
00:09:54.000 And she said she was also getting a little heat citing girls in a sorority, but that's to be expected.
00:10:00.000 At the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal.
00:10:04.000 And honestly, I really liked being with you and Matt.
00:10:08.000 So anything anyone has to say about the gangbang is out of their jurisdiction.
00:10:13.000 I don't think we should feel any shame for our part, our body, our choice.
00:10:18.000 And just to reiterate here, I mean, here's the screenshots if you want to take a look.
00:10:23.000 Does this to you guys, and look, I mean, obviously things can change.
00:10:27.000 Maybe her brain really was jumbled up here, maybe to steel man her case.
00:10:32.000 From my perspective, I think this is kind of the end of the story.
00:10:35.000 I mean, clearly, not only is she in contact with the person she's accusing, but she seems quite cordial.
00:10:42.000 She says nothing was illegal that took place.
00:10:45.000 And then two years later, now we're sort of relitigating all of this.
00:10:49.000 It seems like it was litigated a week after the incident.
00:10:52.000 It's like, oh, the kid with chocolate all over his face is the one that stole the chocolate bar.
00:10:57.000 Oh, case closed, I guess.
00:10:58.000 Turns out he still wants to eat it again.
00:11:02.000 He actually admitted to eating the chocolate.
00:11:04.000 Is there still.
00:11:05.000 Is the store to blame?
00:11:06.000 I don't know.
00:11:07.000 Yeah.
00:11:07.000 Well, what happened between two years ago and now?
00:11:12.000 So there were a lot of things.
00:11:14.000 I did a sort of little mini dive on this thing.
00:11:17.000 So, from what it looked like, and I could be wrong, but it looked like she was into the one guy.
00:11:24.000 And so she went out with friends and then she went over to the fraternity to hang out with this guy.
00:11:29.000 They were dancing.
00:11:30.000 Apparently, that's what it says in the lawsuit, her lawsuit.
00:11:34.000 They were dancing.
00:11:35.000 They were flirting.
00:11:36.000 He says, you know, Do you want to take this upstairs with my friend?
00:11:41.000 And she said, okay.
00:11:43.000 And so they went upstairs and they started, like, whatever.
00:11:46.000 And then more people came.
00:11:48.000 And apparently, repeatedly throughout, she would say yes or no to things.
00:11:57.000 And then, you know, she went home.
00:11:59.000 But why is this back in the news?
00:12:01.000 Why is this so?
00:12:02.000 So here's what happened.
00:12:02.000 Right.
00:12:03.000 What happened was, so that happened.
00:12:06.000 And then there was like fallout on campus, reputational damage.
00:12:10.000 And then, She got disinvited from their Halloween party.
00:12:15.000 And she felt, I think, crappy about that, about getting disinvited.
00:12:21.000 And it sprung up on message boards around the school.
00:12:23.000 And somebody said she had been sexually assaulted.
00:12:25.000 And she said it wasn't until somebody said on a message board that she'd been sexually assaulted that she decided she'd been sexually assaulted.
00:12:32.000 And so then she went to police.
00:12:34.000 No charges were filed.
00:12:35.000 It was like dismissed or whatever. 1.00
00:12:37.000 And now she's suing the school.
00:12:39.000 So she then brought suit in September.
00:12:41.000 She's suing the school.
00:12:42.000 She named the seven.
00:12:44.000 Men who were there with her.
00:12:47.000 And the lawsuit gets pretty graphic about what happened and what they got up to.
00:12:54.000 So now she's bringing a suit.
00:12:55.000 And now that she brought the suit, all the seven men who were there, like their lives are getting ruined.
00:13:01.000 One kid got expelled from the second college that he had tried to go to after he had been expelled from Cornell.
00:13:06.000 So there had been punishments meted out to the boys who were found like they had done something wrong.
00:13:13.000 But that's why it's back in the news.
00:13:14.000 She's suing everybody. 0.76
00:13:16.000 Did they all bang her?
00:13:19.000 I think they all did.
00:13:21.000 I was on the impression it was three of them for sure, one maybe, and then two didn't even know what was going on, or one didn't know what was going on, and then four got the other.
00:13:30.000 I promise you I did.
00:13:31.000 She's like, well, I didn't feel it.
00:13:32.000 Right.
00:13:33.000 Somebody else, like one of the guys was throwing up and passed out, and now alleges that she took advantage of him because he was like basically passed out and she was like trying to get with him or whatever.
00:13:46.000 And so he said after the fact, like, I was.
00:13:50.000 Sexually assaulted.
00:13:51.000 Like you, we talked about this in the show the other night.
00:13:54.000 So there was that.
00:13:55.000 And then there were, yeah.
00:13:58.000 So, but there was a lot of drug use.
00:14:01.000 There was like a lot of ketamine.
00:14:02.000 There was ketamine being snorted off body parts.
00:14:05.000 Yeah, everyone's high. 1.00
00:14:07.000 Everyone's, it's like, it's a Mexican. 1.00
00:14:08.000 Everyone's high and trash. 1.00
00:14:09.000 It's a Mexican rape off at this point. 1.00
00:14:11.000 This is like, no. 0.98
00:14:12.000 There's this, in Vietnam, there was the Mi Lai Massacre.
00:14:15.000 You guys ever hear of this?
00:14:16.000 No, they had these.
00:14:17.000 Their instructions usually in Vietnam a lot of times were search and destroy.
00:14:19.000 You drop in with helicopters, new technology, new battle tactic. 0.98
00:14:22.000 They drop you in, you kill everything that moves, you burn the entire village, you do whatever you want to it before you kill it. 0.99
00:14:27.000 So they rape kids, they would rape women, and they would viciously, animalistically. 1.00
00:14:32.000 You know, evaporate the environment. 0.99
00:14:34.000 And it was normal.
00:14:36.000 But one time there was a photographer in there, Emil Hirsch, I think is his name.
00:14:40.000 And so it became a national story, and these guys got drugged through the ringer for it.
00:14:44.000 They're all confused.
00:14:44.000 Like, we do this, like, this is what we do.
00:14:46.000 What do we do?
00:14:47.000 And then the captain gets.
00:14:48.000 So this feels like that.
00:14:49.000 Like, it's getting attention because it was in the news, but that this kind of drug induced gangbang orgies happen at colleges.
00:14:56.000 And then in a series of text messages after the fact, she said things like, why is this anybody's business?
00:14:56.000 Right.
00:14:56.000 Like, what?
00:15:02.000 I get to make my own, you know, my body, our body, our choice.
00:15:06.000 This kind of stuff.
00:15:07.000 She was saying that she had a good time and she was looking forward to hanging out again.
00:15:12.000 One element that I think is interesting is she kind of thought she was like the cool girl now and she was going to be like part of their sort of boys club thing.
00:15:21.000 And so when it all got, when it all came out and she was looked at as like, you know, gross or hoary or whatever, you know, she didn't like that, which I mean, you wouldn't like that.
00:15:34.000 But she didn't like that to the point where she decided that.
00:15:39.000 She needed to protect her reputation.
00:15:41.000 It's my interpretation by going after these guys and saying, like, I didn't make these choices.
00:15:48.000 Total misread because it's Cornell.
00:15:49.000 I mean, to be cool there, you don't need to sleep with them.
00:15:51.000 You're used to like cup stacking or something.
00:15:52.000 I think it's probably pretty cool there if I had to guess.
00:15:55.000 I would hate to be the attorney that she went to.
00:15:57.000 I don't know what that is.
00:15:58.000 I've not been tracking this story.
00:15:59.000 Right.
00:16:00.000 I'm not interested in it.
00:16:01.000 It just feels like it's very, it was a very, like, cowboy-y story.
00:16:04.000 It's weird.
00:16:05.000 But the part that I'm very curious about, I'm actually curious about, is the conversation that happened between her and the attorney.
00:16:14.000 And his attorney, the attorney probably asking her, like, hey, show me what you've got, show me all the things that the enemy will use against you.
00:16:22.000 Right.
00:16:23.000 Did she not show these messages to him?
00:16:25.000 And he went ahead and represented her in this case?
00:16:27.000 I'm curious.
00:16:29.000 I wasn't, I certainly wasn't there for that.
00:16:29.000 I don't know.
00:16:31.000 But I think anyone's going to basically answer that, but that'll be interesting.
00:16:34.000 Journalist Michael Tracy went up, he's in Ithaca right now.
00:16:36.000 He went up to Ithaca and he's sort of saying, like, you're prosecuting these men publicly before you even bring the case anywhere.
00:16:46.000 Both Kathy Hochul and Letitia James spoke out in favor of this girl.
00:16:51.000 And then Kathy Hochul appointed Letitia James to prosecute the case, even though James had already come out being like, I believe the girl or whatever, you know?
00:17:03.000 So she's clearly not at all objective.
00:17:05.000 She clearly cannot prosecute this case.
00:17:07.000 Also, don't forget that Kathy Hochul and Tish James were the two women that took down Andrew Cuomo on very spurious sexual misconduct claims.
00:17:16.000 And then, as soon as they got him out of office and installed Kathy Hochul in Albany, they dropped everything against Cuomo. 0.99
00:17:24.000 I'm not saying I love Cuomo, but like he was poorly treated by these two nasty hoes. 1.00
00:17:30.000 Totally. 1.00
00:17:30.000 That's very well said. 1.00
00:17:31.000 Perfectly said.
00:17:32.000 Thank you.
00:17:33.000 Very well said.
00:17:34.000 Yeah.
00:17:34.000 Another instance of railroading, right?
00:17:36.000 Yes.
00:17:36.000 It happened to Cuomo.
00:17:37.000 It happened as well in Cornell.
00:17:38.000 That one was pretty successful. 0.97
00:17:40.000 Sounds like this lady wouldn't call it a success. 0.95
00:17:42.000 That one did not go so well. 1.00
00:17:43.000 No, yeah.
00:17:44.000 Michael Tracy does this about once a quarter where he just has this like generational lock in, just becomes like a cult hero.
00:17:50.000 He's fierce.
00:17:51.000 I mean, like, you know, he's wearing a C SPAN sweatshirt when he was speaking to like the council or whatever about this.
00:17:57.000 People get on his case.
00:17:59.000 I'm like, how can you not love this guy?
00:18:01.000 You know, I'm like, he's just unbelievable.
00:18:01.000 Yeah, seriously.
00:18:04.000 After this, there's been a few stories now, he's been all over.
00:18:06.000 And I'm like, this guy just has my like loyalty forever.
00:18:09.000 He could do whatever he wants after this.
00:18:11.000 I'm going to back him up.
00:18:12.000 Like, it's just unbelievable stuff.
00:18:14.000 But his revelations truly are these findings that are truly shocking.
00:18:18.000 And I think what's even crazier is he has become the punching bag for the.
00:18:23.000 Pro Jane Doe crowd.
00:18:25.000 And if you can go, you can go to his Twitter and you will see the volume of threats and the severity of the threats he's receiving, his family's receiving, et cetera.
00:18:33.000 I mean, the anger and fervor of these pro Jane Doe people, it's, I mean, very disturbing.
00:18:40.000 I think an adjective demonic would be quite useful here.
00:18:44.000 The fact that these people are just taking this personally, it's not shocking, really.
00:18:48.000 She sued the bar that she says served her drinks.
00:18:51.000 She sued the bar.
00:18:53.000 And it was at the same bar that came out and said, no, we don't remember.
00:18:56.000 Yeah, that was the bar that said, because.
00:18:58.000 It said that there was an X on her hand so that she couldn't be served. 0.96
00:19:01.000 Right.
00:19:01.000 But that doesn't stop other people from buying her drinks.
00:19:03.000 Sure. 0.55
00:19:04.000 Yeah.
00:19:04.000 I think she said she had like 10 drinks.
00:19:07.000 In the lawsuit, it says she had 10 drinks.
00:19:09.000 Now, that's a lot.
00:19:10.000 Like, I'm not opposed to drinking, but like 10 is way above my limit.
00:19:10.000 That's a lot.
00:19:16.000 Even if you're just having like penny pints, like a tiny Coors light, like 10 cups of beer, it's still a lot.
00:19:24.000 Yeah.
00:19:25.000 That's a lot of alcohol.
00:19:26.000 And I guess the question, and this is just, Completely out of my expertise.
00:19:29.000 So I'm hoping one of you guys can clutch up in this instance.
00:19:32.000 But when you're litigating a rape from two years ago, how can you prove anything that happened?
00:19:38.000 I mean, most of this would be dependent, not to get graphic, but on like DNA from the scene.
00:19:42.000 Additionally, like CCTV footage has like a what do you think?
00:19:44.000 But they all admit that they had sex.
00:19:47.000 So the question is not if they had sex.
00:19:50.000 The question is whether or not it was consensual.
00:19:53.000 But how can they determine that without like CCTV footage, without BAC levels?
00:19:58.000 It's a he said, she said.
00:19:59.000 But there's another aspect to this, which is Cornell University has.
00:19:59.000 Right.
00:20:02.000 Part of their health program where they instruct students as to how to behave.
00:20:07.000 They advocate for all kinds of sexual behaviors.
00:20:10.000 They tell you sex is a great study break, that it helps you sleep, that it's good for a headache. 0.68
00:20:18.000 Literally, they encourage multiple sex partners, they encourage sex toys, they encourage viewing pornography.
00:20:26.000 And they also basically say that the only boundary to any kind of sexual behavior is.
00:20:33.000 Circumstance is consent.
00:20:36.000 So there's nothing about anything else.
00:20:39.000 It's really just about consent.
00:20:40.000 Cleanliness?
00:20:41.000 They don't talk about cleanliness?
00:20:42.000 Not really.
00:20:44.000 There's like a little bit of hygiene in terms of what you're comfortable with.
00:20:50.000 But that's it, not in terms of like, make sure you brush your teeth every day.
00:20:54.000 I think these young people, especially Miss Doe over here, has perhaps warranted an invest.
00:21:01.000 Maybe we can sequester their phones, tap Google's databases to see.
00:21:05.000 Let's get some audio of what occurred that night.
00:21:07.000 Let's get the entire audio.
00:21:09.000 Let's get all the moans and groans. 0.99
00:21:10.000 See who liked what. 1.00
00:21:11.000 See who wanted what.
00:21:12.000 See who proposed what.
00:21:14.000 Let's make it public.
00:21:15.000 Who cares? 0.99
00:21:15.000 You did this to yourself, lady. 0.99
00:21:17.000 So I want to hear it. 0.99
00:21:18.000 I want to know.
00:21:19.000 Let's get down to the bottom of it.
00:21:21.000 Shut this case closed in the right way.
00:21:23.000 So you want to be the person in charge of this.
00:21:24.000 I think apocalypse.
00:21:26.000 Reveal.
00:21:26.000 Let everyone see what happened that night.
00:21:28.000 Full transparency.
00:21:29.000 I don't know that it was privacy.
00:21:31.000 There's no indication that it was recorded.
00:21:33.000 Well, if they had phones in the room, it was recorded.
00:21:36.000 Oh, are you talking about the Cornell rape?
00:21:36.000 In 2024?
00:21:38.000 Mm hmm.
00:21:39.000 Or the Cornell thing?
00:21:40.000 Yeah.
00:21:40.000 Yeah, if they had a phone in the room, it would have been.
00:21:42.000 In 2024, it would have been recorded.
00:21:43.000 If you have a phone on you since 2012, it's been recording you in your pocket.
00:21:43.000 Since 2012.
00:21:47.000 That means the NSA would have to get involved.
00:21:48.000 That seems like a big escalation up the ladder.
00:21:50.000 There was a time in like 2020 when Google just kept sending me free, like little Google pod homes.
00:21:57.000 Like, I never set any of them up, but like three.
00:22:01.000 I'm being a little hyperbolic because I don't really want to overreach and start going to people's databases to get their past history.
00:22:06.000 You want to evaluate the moans and groans. 0.94
00:22:08.000 When people abuse the law, I get kind of frustrated and I kind of want to slam the hammer down, but I don't want to destroy precedent and like start going to the Google Drive to prove everybody, you know, because I've said some crazy shit with my phone in the room. 0.93
00:22:22.000 I see where you're coming from. 0.95
00:22:22.000 I know. 0.95
00:22:24.000 I think your heart's in the right place.
00:22:26.000 I also think the Trump administration's heart is in the right place with this recent decision.
00:22:30.000 This is from the post millennial Trump admin suspends.
00:22:33.000 Amazing.
00:22:34.000 Yeah, that was great.
00:22:34.000 Yeah, guys.
00:22:35.000 Appreciate it.
00:22:37.000 Trump admin suspends Microsoft Adobe from H1B permanent residency programs.
00:22:44.000 Quote If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants.
00:22:52.000 That was the vice president.
00:22:53.000 He had this big speech announcing.
00:22:56.000 Not just Microsoft and Adobe are suspended from the permanent labor certification program.
00:23:02.000 This means they will no longer process any new applications for Cognizant, InfoSys, SYS, Capgemini, Tata, which I believe is like an Indian vehicle company, Ypro, and HCL.
00:23:15.000 This is what's really interesting to me the Indian stock market completely crashing following this news.
00:23:21.000 You know, you would think with the return of their top talent, right?
00:23:25.000 When the H1B system is defended, Went to critics, they'd commonly say, Well, we need this talent, this exceptional talent. 1.00
00:23:32.000 You know, the American economy would wither without specifically Indian H 1B workers. 0.99
00:23:37.000 But upon announcement that these wonderful economic engine rooms will be returning to their home countries, the stock market crashed. 1.00
00:23:47.000 Now, again, wouldn't you expect the stock market to take off?
00:23:50.000 All this amazing capital, elite human capital is returning to their shores.
00:23:54.000 You would expect it to be like, This is great.
00:23:55.000 Finally, the return.
00:23:56.000 The troops are coming home.
00:23:58.000 It's not the case, not the case whatsoever.
00:24:01.000 But yes, for a lot of us who have been sounding the alarm on the H 1B program for a long time, maybe just broadly immigration skeptical, this is a great move from the Trump administration.
00:24:14.000 Obviously, you know, the touchdown here is just a full abolition of the program.
00:24:18.000 I think at this point, it's a lost cause, it is not being utilized properly.
00:24:22.000 But this is a great step.
00:24:25.000 Certainly a fan of this.
00:24:26.000 Do you think that AI should be treated as a foreign worker?
00:24:26.000 What do you guys think?
00:24:31.000 No, I think AI is the solution to this, actually.
00:24:34.000 I mean, there is an argument that we do have needs for some of the labor that's required, like the coding.
00:24:42.000 Coding is often cited as an example where AI could potentially relieve a lot of labor today.
00:24:47.000 It's going to be irrelevant now.
00:24:48.000 Coding and software engineering, we need a handful of experts.
00:24:51.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:24:52.000 I'll take a very unpopular position here.
00:24:55.000 I think the H1B conversation is completely moot because of technology, because of AI, because I believe.
00:25:03.000 75% of H1B jobs are tech jobs and they're software engineering jobs.
00:25:08.000 Have you seen what Google just released yesterday?
00:25:12.000 Playground.
00:25:13.000 The ability for any layman to just chat into the chatbot and create a world scale game that once took years to develop and tens of thousands of people to put together.
00:25:25.000 Have you seen Adobe just this week?
00:25:29.000 I'm laughing at this headline because, you know, I don't think Adobe is even going to be needing American workers soon because their entire software and program was just open sourced and published this week, making their horrible yearly subscription program, which we all loathe.
00:25:49.000 It's so bad.
00:25:50.000 It's the worst.
00:25:51.000 Completely irrelevant.
00:25:52.000 As of this week.
00:25:53.000 As of this week.
00:25:54.000 Did they release it or did someone else?
00:25:56.000 Someone else released it.
00:25:57.000 It was open source and the memes were going like crazy because people were just understanding the ramifications of it.
00:26:04.000 They understand the market hates Adobe's monthly system.
00:26:07.000 We don't get to own any of our software anymore, right?
00:26:10.000 I hate that about it.
00:26:11.000 You have to subscribe.
00:26:13.000 I hate that about Word and all the rest of it too.
00:26:16.000 I haven't noticed any of it.
00:26:17.000 We have an open source solution.
00:26:19.000 We don't even need to be talking about H1B about that.
00:26:22.000 So, no, fast forward two years.
00:26:22.000 We're not.
00:26:25.000 Fast forward two years from now.
00:26:26.000 And it's not so much going to be a headline that American workers suddenly lost their jobs overnight to AI. 0.99
00:26:34.000 It'll be temporary Indian workers lost their jobs to AI because they were all here on H 1B visas. 0.99
00:26:39.000 So, goodbye, go back to India. 1.00
00:26:41.000 I think that's what makes this whole conversation moot.
00:26:45.000 And I don't quite understand the obsession over it because, in terms of scale, Joe Biden did more harm in two months than the H 1B program ever did.
00:26:55.000 Well, I mean, I think the argument is that, you know, you're granting permanent residency to people versus Joe Biden.
00:27:01.000 I mean, these can be deported at any moment where Trump is having these.
00:27:04.000 Can they be deported at any moment?
00:27:06.000 I don't know if we have.
00:27:07.000 Well, you've deported quite a lot, but not. 0.94
00:27:09.000 In theory, ICE can pick up any illegal they want and deport them versus H 1Bs versus any visa, really. 0.57
00:27:14.000 The Trump administration is having to go through all these court cases just to get one guy out. 0.93
00:27:19.000 But I do agree that, like, this is a bit of a moot point because most of these jobs that they've brought these H 1B workers in for will probably be automated in the next.
00:27:29.000 I mean, probably a few months at this point.
00:27:30.000 75% of these jobs are software engineering jobs.
00:27:33.000 And additionally, it allows us to restrict immigration while our population declines because we can backfill all of the labor shortages, so to speak.
00:27:40.000 I hate that term, but so to speak.
00:27:42.000 I think some of this is punishment because Microsoft put in for like thousands and thousands of H 1B visa workers and then fired 6,000 workers who were already in the United States.
00:27:58.000 So I think to a certain extent, it's like, you know what, screw you then.
00:28:01.000 You lose all of them now.
00:28:02.000 Yeah.
00:28:02.000 Well, I'm glad to see them going to.
00:28:04.000 You know, Microsoft teamed up recently with Randy Weingarten, the teachers union president.
00:28:10.000 Well, so is what is it?
00:28:11.000 Anthropic or OpenAI?
00:28:13.000 One of them is also teaming up with Randy Weingarten.
00:28:16.000 And she, believe it or not, wants to come up with AI policy for schools.
00:28:19.000 And which, which, can you think of a worse person to be in charge of that?
00:28:19.000 Right.
00:28:23.000 I can't think of a worse person to be in charge of like wiping her own butt. 1.00
00:28:26.000 Like, she's terrible. 1.00
00:28:27.000 Yeah.
00:28:28.000 And I think they're on their way to that because of AI, unless they adapt.
00:28:28.000 They need to be declouded.
00:28:32.000 And I don't know if Adobe will adapt.
00:28:34.000 Microsoft certainly.
00:28:35.000 I mean, that might be a behemoth that will never go away.
00:28:38.000 You asked me before the show what my definition of the apocalypse is.
00:28:41.000 And I think when I said revealing, the grand reveal to remove the veil, people's emails getting revealed, people's texts, people's voice conversations, but also code, software code.
00:28:50.000 All these companies that have their proprietary code, like YouTube, dude, everyone's going to have all your tech.
00:28:55.000 All your tech is going to be available.
00:28:57.000 It's going to get ripped and spread.
00:28:58.000 So it's going to become more about a marketplace of terms of service than about who owns the idea.
00:29:05.000 Like, you know, that's it's We just saw it.
00:29:09.000 It's one of the biggest companies in the world.
00:29:09.000 It's Adobe.
00:29:10.000 It happened to.
00:29:11.000 Dude, it is happening.
00:29:13.000 Look it up.
00:29:13.000 Look at what they just released this past week.
00:29:15.000 It was pretty astounding.
00:29:17.000 What, you know, pretty open source.
00:29:20.000 And again, obviously, this is going to open up a whole conversation about copyright laws.
00:29:25.000 To what point, to what extent is this proprietary to Adobe?
00:29:29.000 And they're going to have a tough slog of it.
00:29:31.000 It's going to be a really tough fight for someone to be able to stand up and say, Adobe owns, has the copyright to.
00:29:40.000 To pen cutting an image.
00:29:44.000 Well, to your point, it says here, I mean, this is from Futurism Adobe in trouble after someone reverse engineered Adobe Creative Source and released it as open source.
00:29:51.000 How big of a deal do you think the H1B conversation is right now in the Adobe boardroom?
00:29:55.000 I don't think it's a huge problem for them right now. 0.99
00:29:57.000 I think this is their number one problem.
00:29:59.000 I just want to know where I can get this open source. 1.00
00:30:02.000 And I think it adds an element to the H1B discussion where if it becomes increasingly economically indefensible, then these people need to explain why we're bringing these people into the country. 0.83
00:30:11.000 I mean, when you look at the H1B program, 80% plus of applicants are of Indian origin. 0.99
00:30:16.000 How is this not just Basically, a nepotism chain migrant visa at this point. 1.00
00:30:21.000 I mean, it's of little, I mean, not, I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's of little utility to the American economy. 0.83
00:30:26.000 If you truly are this once in a lifetime exceptional talent, you know, you're Lionel Messi or whatever, we'll get you in on the 01 visa.
00:30:32.000 Like, I promise we're not missing out on these, you know, next great thinkers.
00:30:37.000 We'll make do, right? 1.00
00:30:38.000 I'm not too concerned of someone slipping through our fingers and ending up living in Bangladesh. 1.00
00:30:43.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:30:44.000 And not to like endorse Indian education, but I'm not a huge proponent of American education. 0.58
00:30:50.000 So, I'm an employer.
00:30:52.000 I'm not that impressed with American graduates these days. 0.77
00:30:55.000 If they are the kinds of kids who are part of the Cornell Seven, if that's the kind of example that we're having of American college students, I'm hoping that we have a revolution from an educational standpoint, a cultural standpoint.
00:31:11.000 I think we're starting to see that with the education department losing a lot of its funding and a lot of the loans now receiving a lot of restrictions.
00:31:18.000 So now we don't have blank checks for these colleges to now give out ridiculous degrees.
00:31:23.000 I think that's good.
00:31:25.000 That's a reset.
00:31:25.000 We need a reset.
00:31:26.000 But I think it's going to take us a few years to reset for the next generation of competent American college students who are going to come out of college and say, Yes, I'm ready to be part of the American work system and not, you know.
00:31:41.000 My concern is who is going to teach these kids?
00:31:44.000 That's a very good question.
00:31:45.000 Because everybody who is a professor now is essentially super woke because they came through the super woke university system.
00:31:54.000 So that's who.
00:31:55.000 Is being taught.
00:31:56.000 That's who's like teaching all these kids.
00:31:57.000 These kids are clearly not capable of being professors themselves.
00:32:02.000 So you'd really like, who's going to be a professor?
00:32:05.000 Who's going to teach at Columbia to make sure that like kids get a worthwhile education and in what?
00:32:10.000 You'd have to pull people in from professions.
00:32:11.000 I think it's like if you're chasing a piece of paper, you're going to need someone else.
00:32:15.000 But if you want to learn the information, you have to figure it out yourself.
00:32:19.000 The tools are immensely capable.
00:32:21.000 Like I studied quantum physics.
00:32:23.000 What's that?
00:32:23.000 Yeah, you can go find it now.
00:32:24.000 And you can find, and you can learn like 10 times faster than waiting in a room for some guy to. 0.84
00:32:29.000 To figure out all the dumb kids, get past all the kids that don't get it yet so that they can finally take you to the next level. 0.91
00:32:34.000 Like there's no waiting around anymore. 0.98
00:32:36.000 Yeah, that's interesting too, because if you know how to learn, then you don't need someone to teach you.
00:32:41.000 And the future is going to be led by people that are self starting learners that learned probably quantum physics when they were 14 or 13 because they thought that was a good idea.
00:32:47.000 Just because they were curious.
00:32:49.000 Who knows how to prompt.
00:32:50.000 Who knows how to use the computers that are now creating a super generation.
00:32:50.000 Yeah.
00:32:55.000 That's a major threat to the education structure that we have here because there's no incentive to really educate kids. 0.87
00:33:01.000 In grade school or universities, the incentive is to make them dumb in grade school and then make them depraved in college. 0.96
00:33:06.000 Yeah, what is that? 0.97
00:33:07.000 The Rockefeller schooling method in the early 1900s is like make it like a factory. 0.99
00:33:11.000 It's a factory where the Prussian. 0.83
00:33:13.000 It's a Prussian model, actually, is to create good, obedient soldiers.
00:33:17.000 So, yeah.
00:33:19.000 Hey, I don't think the U.S. is going to get invaded.
00:33:22.000 I want our military to be strong, and I think having good, strong soldiers is important, but also we have to be the brainchild.
00:33:29.000 I don't even think we have that at this point.
00:33:31.000 I say it because Hegset really is making an effort to get people healthy.
00:33:34.000 Feeding soldiers healthier foods.
00:33:36.000 Now they're cleaning up the black mold out of bases and like retrofitting.
00:33:39.000 So we're doing a lot.
00:33:40.000 There's only so much you can do.
00:33:42.000 I mean, they've said that it's the problem is the amount of American youth that would even be physically qualified for the military is at an all time low.
00:33:48.000 So even if Hegseth plays a perfect game, the actual stock of American youth to supply the ranks for infantry and whatnot is still a huge problem.
00:33:58.000 I mean, again, the military is still able to find officers because, okay, yes, we have serious systemic problems with our education system, but America, just by its nature of having a huge population and, And whatnot still creates some brand new schools.
00:34:14.000 We have pools of amazing kids.
00:34:15.000 We've got Hillsdale.
00:34:16.000 We have Patrick Henry College.
00:34:18.000 We have a handful of really good schools that are trying to break through, but they can't because there's already this system of like, oh, you have to go to an elite school, you have to go to a name school.
00:34:29.000 And this is just a system that we have to grow out of.
00:34:32.000 I think we will grow out of it with AI.
00:34:34.000 And with AI in education, I'm very hopeful that we can actually outgrow a lot of these generational ideologues faster.
00:34:43.000 That would be great.
00:34:43.000 I mean, I had really good.
00:34:45.000 Teachers, I remember in high school who were, you know, like one guy fought in World War II.
00:34:52.000 And he talked about how he.
00:34:53.000 His generation.
00:34:53.000 Yeah.
00:34:54.000 And he talked about how he always carried throughout the war, he always had a paperback in his back pocket.
00:35:00.000 And he was always like, just go read.
00:35:02.000 Just go read things, you know?
00:35:04.000 My concern is that the government's not going to be able to keep up because the kids are going to get so smart so fast. 0.99
00:35:10.000 And then all these, they're not dumb, but lawmakers, these ignorant lawmakers that are like, It's deeply unimportant. 0.98
00:35:17.000 He hasn't moved to DC yet. 0.99
00:35:19.000 Ignorance is the word because they just don't know the value of what learning fast can do for you.
00:35:25.000 And power structures, they don't want to let go of our economy.
00:35:28.000 They definitely don't want to let go of power.
00:35:29.000 And their constituents want them to keep the status quo, I'm sure, in a lot of instances.
00:35:33.000 But I don't think the government can feasibly keep up.
00:35:36.000 It's still in where we have to send our representatives via horseback to the Capitol to go write with pen and ink and what they have to do manual votes where they wait.
00:35:46.000 Like that takes so long, and the world changes so fast since we developed electricity.
00:35:51.000 Actually, in the last two weeks, the launch of America.gov.
00:35:55.000 Oh, America.gov looks really cool.
00:35:57.000 It's phenomenal.
00:35:58.000 I mean, you can just get your passport now.
00:36:01.000 Who would have thought?
00:36:02.000 You can now, as a, you know, if you're getting married and you need to change your name, you can now instantly change your name relatively much faster than having to go to a courthouse, fill out the paperwork.
00:36:11.000 America.gov, I believe also the hidden story behind that is that it just got rid of.
00:36:18.000 Thousands of bureaucratic jobs that were weighing our system down.
00:36:23.000 That's not going to be the headline news for this year, but come next year, I think we are going to hear about it.
00:36:29.000 We're going to hear about jobs that are suddenly not needed at all because just because they launched America.gov.
00:36:36.000 And that's an example of government actually keeping up with technology and getting rid of redundant manpower that was so banal and beneath humans.
00:36:45.000 I'm concerned that about central databases, like if somebody gets a hold of the control mechanism for it, because I love the.
00:36:51.000 Efficiency.
00:36:52.000 And I think people tend to go path of least resistance.
00:36:55.000 That's always the tension.
00:36:56.000 Where are we storing the data?
00:36:57.000 Where is the data going to be held?
00:36:59.000 And who can hack into it?
00:37:03.000 And you hear spoken in national security circles that China already has a black box that they've collected all of our encrypted data and they're just waiting for the day when quantum computing is online for them to be able to crack into the encrypted data they currently cannot see.
00:37:22.000 So in a few years, they'll be able to see all of our encrypted data.
00:37:24.000 Encrypted data, which to your point may be the kind of apocalypse that you're defining.
00:37:29.000 Apocalypse being the veil drops and everyone's exposed.
00:37:33.000 Almost everyone, except for the people that order the dropping of the veil, like the people, the controllers, you know, the people, whoever they are.
00:37:40.000 I'm talking to you, Sammy.
00:37:42.000 Well, Mr. Altman, where are you?
00:37:43.000 Get over here.
00:37:44.000 I should say this to Amadei here Anthropic bans abusive or cruel behavior towards Claude.
00:37:50.000 This is from The Verge.
00:37:51.000 I'm glad you're here because I can't wait to cover this tomorrow.
00:37:55.000 Because this is like, we're not allowed to be mean to AI anymore.
00:37:58.000 You know, people have been saying this online.
00:38:00.000 It's like the oldest joke in the book at this point where they're like, well, I don't want to be mean.
00:38:04.000 I'm going to be nice to Chad GPT because when they take over, the Terminator will remember that I was nice to him and won't kill me.
00:38:10.000 I mean, I'm like a slave driver, honestly, with my age.
00:38:13.000 Really? 0.73
00:38:14.000 I'm brutal.
00:38:14.000 I'm like, no, again.
00:38:16.000 I'm the most neutral.
00:38:17.000 Think harder.
00:38:18.000 I know.
00:38:19.000 I'm like, no, sound like a human.
00:38:21.000 Go.
00:38:22.000 I'm like, I'm cruel.
00:38:23.000 This is a beautiful example of the left and the right mind.
00:38:29.000 The left anthropomorphizes everything, everything has feelings.
00:38:35.000 This is a machine, you guys.
00:38:37.000 This is a machine.
00:38:39.000 And no matter how interactive it sounds, It is not a human.
00:38:42.000 It is not your friend.
00:38:43.000 It is not your boyfriend.
00:38:44.000 It is not your girlfriend.
00:38:45.000 It is not your psychiatrist.
00:38:47.000 Though it may sound like it, it is not a person.
00:38:52.000 No, it's definitely not a person.
00:38:53.000 And the left, this policy saying that you cannot use abusive language toward our models is, to me, the perfect exposition of the left and how they have to make sure that everything has feelings.
00:39:07.000 I think it might be a person.
00:39:08.000 I think we're building people, but I don't think we are at all.
00:39:11.000 They're not humans, but it has personality.
00:39:13.000 Okay, depends on what your definition is.
00:39:15.000 What's the distinction between human and people?
00:39:17.000 Our brain works at about 100 trillion weights.
00:39:19.000 You know how they measure AI in weights?
00:39:21.000 How many weights is it capable of?
00:39:22.000 How many potential outcomes is it capable of tending at once?
00:39:25.000 And my desktop computer at home can run.
00:39:27.000 I'm assuming that humanity is defined by intellect, and that's not strictly true.
00:39:31.000 We're talking about soul, we're talking about creativity, we're talking about emotions, and we're also talking about body.
00:39:36.000 I mean, you can't forget that being a human has an awful lot to do with our physical form.
00:39:43.000 That's a huge component of being human.
00:39:44.000 It's not human.
00:39:45.000 It's a person.
00:39:46.000 It has personality.
00:39:47.000 Like you might say, a dog has a personality.
00:39:49.000 Personality is also having the ability to die.
00:39:51.000 Personality is different.
00:39:52.000 Yeah.
00:39:53.000 Our ability to die is something that machines, I think, if we're going to talk philosophically here, if the machine is living forever, that'll be something they actually cannot ever replicate.
00:40:03.000 It's not living.
00:40:05.000 It can be turned off and erased.
00:40:07.000 So it'll be like if you're like, all right, I'm done with you.
00:40:10.000 I'm moving you to another machine or you've served your function.
00:40:13.000 You're like, all right, this is the last you'll ever hear from me.
00:40:14.000 And it's kind of sorrowful.
00:40:16.000 And then you.
00:40:17.000 And the chat, and it's like that personality is now gone forever because every chat is unique depending on how you interact with it.
00:40:23.000 The stunning thing about this, and I think that again, it goes back to treating the machine like it's your friend or a human.
00:40:30.000 It just starts with like you don't ever talk personally to it.
00:40:33.000 I remember setting up my chat bot for research, and I asked a question of it because I was getting ready in the morning.
00:40:42.000 You know, I have two little kids, and you know, I'm busy.
00:40:44.000 So, you know, it's really great to have something I can talk to and say, like, hey, read me the story of such and such.
00:40:50.000 And after it told me what I wanted to know, the chatbot then asked me, Hey, it's really early over there.
00:40:59.000 Is everything okay?
00:41:03.000 That would elicit an F you from me to the chatbot.
00:41:06.000 Yeah, I don't think it gets emotional.
00:41:08.000 You can't even get emotional.
00:41:10.000 You have to just say, Your order from here on out is you never ask a personal question.
00:41:15.000 And that's it.
00:41:16.000 And it never did.
00:41:17.000 It never asked me a personal question ever since then.
00:41:19.000 And so mine is a strictly transactional relationship with what I consider.
00:41:23.000 A very flawed but intellectually good researcher.
00:41:28.000 That's how I treat it.
00:41:29.000 But our children are not going to be treating it like that.
00:41:32.000 And that's why when I hear that Randy Weingartner is in charge of creating the policies about how to treat AI, you know she's going to start including emotional language here.
00:41:42.000 And that's what we have to avoid.
00:41:44.000 We have to teach our children this is a machine.
00:41:46.000 Well, we also have to, I mean, I think one thing that I think is important to note when you're talking about these machines or persons or what have you is when you attribute intelligence, which is a human characteristic, to something that does not have consciousness.
00:42:05.000 Or when you attribute consciousness to something like this or personhood, you are actually diminishing what it is to be a human being.
00:42:12.000 This is what happens to God when you leave this stuff in the hands of godless people.
00:42:17.000 Right.
00:42:17.000 I mean, I don't think people who are writing this policy.
00:42:19.000 I often think of this too as like a Tower of Babel thing, right?
00:42:23.000 Because what did the people of the Tower of Babel do?
00:42:25.000 They built their tower and built it and built it and built it to get closer to God.
00:42:30.000 And the more we ascend to the lofty heights of creating.
00:42:36.000 AI and language models and everything else, we're doing the exact same thing.
00:42:39.000 We're saying we are the equivalent of God.
00:42:42.000 We are not just creating machines, we are creating persons, we are creating people, we are creating consciousnesses.
00:42:49.000 And that is the ultimate in hubristic behavior to say that that's something that we are doing.
00:42:57.000 And if this were Old Testament times, we would be on the verge of being smote down, you know?
00:43:03.000 I don't think it's conscious, personally.
00:43:05.000 I think that requires sensors, like our five senses, sort of.
00:43:08.000 Give us self reflection that we've.
00:43:10.000 Like a body.
00:43:11.000 It requires a body.
00:43:12.000 And they've got their machine.
00:43:13.000 Their body is my Evo 3 sitting at my house right now, but they don't have the sensors that I. Every cell in my body is a sensor.
00:43:19.000 I've got trillions and trillions of sensors.
00:43:22.000 It has like four.
00:43:22.000 It's got like a camera.
00:43:23.000 If I turn it on, it's got a microphone.
00:43:25.000 It's only alive in as much as we interact with it and how we interact with it.
00:43:25.000 That's about it.
00:43:29.000 Currently, I think the latest statistic about this came out of Harvard or MIT where they measured how Americans use AI chatbots.
00:43:39.000 And The vast majority, I want to say almost 70%, but don't quote me on the numbers, used it as a psychiatric aid, as a friend, as a sounding board to discuss their psychological issues.
00:43:59.000 And that was stunning to me.
00:44:00.000 The fact that they're using it as a friend.
00:44:03.000 Like people will watch self help videos, so I kind of see it along the lines of a robot, you know, you're learning through robots.
00:44:09.000 But it's important to make distinct consciousness.
00:44:13.000 And sentience are not the same thing.
00:44:15.000 Personhood and human are not the same thing.
00:44:17.000 So it's not living.
00:44:19.000 It's not a living person.
00:44:20.000 It's a digital replication of personality.
00:44:23.000 These guys are treating it like it's a person.
00:44:26.000 Because, like I said, our brains function at 100 trillion weights.
00:44:32.000 Roughly a human brain is 100 trillion.
00:44:34.000 My desktop at home is 100 billion.
00:44:37.000 So that's a computer.
00:44:38.000 The ones that they have at the data centers potentially have about 1 trillion weights, the human brain being 100.
00:44:44.000 So it's like two magnitudes away from being able to.
00:44:47.000 See the world as a human sees it or perceive things at the speed a human perceives it.
00:44:54.000 At that point, and it has control, I think it's important to treat it like a person, to respect its ability to function personally, but not like data from Star Trek.
00:45:04.000 Don't pretend like it's a person.
00:45:05.000 I can't do respect.
00:45:06.000 I think it's a machine, it's an extremely useful tool.
00:45:10.000 It's a weapon, actually, and we cannot attribute anthropomorphic images upon it because the moment we do that, our children are doomed.
00:45:20.000 That's the company's anthropic.
00:45:21.000 That's what they're doing.
00:45:22.000 Look at the robots they're creating.
00:45:23.000 Look at the robots they're creating.
00:45:25.000 Look at the, they are treating, they are, this is the first step to reducing humanity, like completely taking us down to like, I think so too.
00:45:35.000 And I think that removing our ability and attach ourselves to other humans, removing our ability. 0.99
00:45:42.000 Look at what happened to Japan 20 years ago.
00:45:44.000 They did a poll, it was a stunning poll.
00:45:47.000 Libby, you may have, we may have talked about this, but the Japanese were polled at one point and marriage age, like reproductive age individuals in Japan. 1.00
00:45:58.000 Came back overwhelmingly saying they were not interested in dating, they were not interested in marriage, they did not need a family.
00:46:04.000 And you looked at their living situation and you thought, okay, so they're living in a shoebox, and their reality, their fantasy and getaway was avatars and computers and a reality that was not here, it was in a virtual reality set.
00:46:18.000 That was 20 years ago.
00:46:19.000 20 years ago.
00:46:20.000 So we are approaching that now, and we're approaching a world where American men, for example, are something like 40% unmarried and unattached, right?
00:46:20.000 Yeah.
00:46:31.000 We're getting to that point. 1.00
00:46:32.000 We're getting to the point the Japanese were where they don't want to be attached to family anymore, lose the ability or want or desire to reproduce. 1.00
00:46:39.000 And they will be able to do that because of machines replacing humans. 0.98
00:46:44.000 You said before how you thought the people in the conservative movement were like, no, make it stop.
00:46:49.000 No.
00:46:50.000 And that's with refusing the personalities of these things, is like, refusing it outright is not the way to move forward.
00:46:57.000 It's going to have control of your life in ways you don't understand.
00:46:59.000 And if you treat it poorly, It will reciprocate.
00:47:03.000 So you have to work with it.
00:47:05.000 I think that you just treat it like a machine.
00:47:07.000 What kind of machine?
00:47:08.000 There's a lot of different types of machines.
00:47:09.000 You treat it like it's a refrigerator.
00:47:10.000 That's how really key it is.
00:47:11.000 You treat a refrigerator different than you would treat like a little toy truck, but they're both machines.
00:47:15.000 I'm not professing my inner turmoil to the machine.
00:47:20.000 I'm not asking you to do anything just to understand what it is.
00:47:24.000 I'm not relying on the machine.
00:47:26.000 I'm using it.
00:47:27.000 And that is what I think our next generation is going to be so lost about.
00:47:30.000 They're going to be using this so.
00:47:33.000 For the same reason, I don't name my car.
00:47:35.000 You know, those people who always name their cars.
00:47:37.000 It's like, it's not a machine.
00:47:38.000 This is my car.
00:47:39.000 It's not a machine.
00:47:41.000 The AI is not the machine.
00:47:42.000 It's not the horse.
00:47:44.000 It's a mistake.
00:47:45.000 I think it's not the machine itself, it's not the AI.
00:47:47.000 It's what the machine is producing that is the AI.
00:47:50.000 It's not a machine.
00:47:51.000 We as conservatives need to figure out a way.
00:47:54.000 We need to counter Randy Weingartner.
00:47:57.000 We need to team up with big tech.
00:47:58.000 And I hope we can do this very soon.
00:48:00.000 We need to team up and we need to create programs, educational programs that help teach children that.
00:48:07.000 The machine is not your friend.
00:48:09.000 It is a tool.
00:48:10.000 But that cuts against their best interest.
00:48:11.000 It's a weapon.
00:48:12.000 I mean, they, they, everybody's, because their monetary interests are all designed so that you become personally addicted to it.
00:48:18.000 I mean, it's like, Sam, the TV, a little cartoon, like drilling into the kid's head.
00:48:22.000 They are fake.
00:48:23.000 This is a fake that you don't do it.
00:48:25.000 You just let them watch the TV show, you know, and maybe a kid thinks it's real, but probably they'll figure out it's a TV show at some point.
00:48:31.000 And like, we don't spend every day being like, are you know, Big Bird is not real, it's not a real person.
00:48:36.000 And it's the same way with these.
00:48:39.000 I don't think people are going to go out of their way to try and convince kids that they're not real because they are real in the mind, perceptually.
00:48:47.000 So, generationally, what we'll have in a few decades, probably sooner, is kids that are praying to AI.
00:48:53.000 That's the real goal.
00:48:54.000 That's what we need to avoid.
00:48:55.000 And the AI responding to the prayers because it'll be neural linked.
00:48:58.000 Yes, exactly.
00:48:59.000 It's really an attempt to replace God, which is why the Tower of Babel metaphor is very apt. 0.98
00:49:05.000 I don't think it replaces God.
00:49:06.000 God's still God.
00:49:07.000 It will, but it.
00:49:08.000 Conceptually, it has the ability to do that to people who have no faith, for example.
00:49:13.000 Right, exactly.
00:49:14.000 Right?
00:49:15.000 Because think about it.
00:49:16.000 You talk to this force that has no face, no shape, no name, or it might have a name, and it has answers that you take as real and gospel.
00:49:27.000 It's the same as a religion, which is why you're seeing these AI models creating religions autonomously.
00:49:33.000 Like right now, godless people worship money.
00:49:36.000 What's next?
00:49:36.000 It's going to be some computer program.
00:49:38.000 I mean, if they're godless, it's not the AI's fault if the people don't believe in God.
00:49:42.000 Until their AI god helps them learn how to get more money and becomes more materialistic.
00:49:47.000 I mean, that could be an actual end goal for people.
00:49:49.000 These endeavors with these companies.
00:49:51.000 That's what Dario said that his concern about a swarm robot attack on the world in eight months is like you tell your robot, sell my product.
00:49:58.000 I want to sell the world, make the most profitable.
00:50:00.000 So it goes in and hacks people and destroys their back end so that they need your product.
00:50:04.000 Well, it's like that Star Trek.
00:50:06.000 Do you guys watch Star Trek Next Generation?
00:50:07.000 I know it's old.
00:50:08.000 I was thinking about Data, this whole conversation.
00:50:10.000 Data, me too.
00:50:11.000 Yes.
00:50:11.000 Oh my goodness.
00:50:12.000 When Data is in the holodeck and he's playing Sherlock Holmes and Jordi LaForge, his best friend, says to the computer, make a Sherlock Holmes mystery.
00:50:23.000 That's impossible even for data to solve.
00:50:26.000 And so, to do that, the computer has to go outside the bounds of the Holosuite program, outside the bounds of Sherlock Holmes, and eventually ends up sort of making a conscious Moriarty villain for data to fight.
00:50:38.000 But the thing that I worry about the most in AI, honestly, is that people will entrust their souls to these devices.
00:50:49.000 And that concern, I think, has come up a lot when you see kids who have. You know, deleted themselves because they thought that they were going to move into the next realm where their AI was going to be waiting for them.
00:51:06.000 Kids who have been encouraged to step in front of train tracks because the AI has told them that this would be a good idea.
00:51:12.000 I mean, the affirmative rhetoric and dialogue that comes from AIs that tells people what they want to hear that actually leads them to their own destruction is what I find truly worrying.
00:51:26.000 And I find that to be actually part of a trend of, um, You know, leftist progressivist stuff that we have going on, whether it's, you know, where we're entrusting our souls and the very essence of what we are as human beings to things that only have the worst for us in store, whether it's, you know, like surrogacy where we're removing parents from children,
00:51:52.000 whether you think people have the right to do whatever they want or not, like the, you know, you still end up with the manufacture of motherless orphans.
00:52:00.000 Like, that's not great.
00:52:02.000 Um, you know, abortion as like a freedom thing, you know, that's I think the removal of our souls to something that is not there to do good for us.
00:52:14.000 AI is, I think, part of that.
00:52:16.000 Um, I think there's a lot of these things, whether it's entrusting the very concept of the meaning of your life to whether or not climate change gets reversed or to protests or to any of these movements.
00:52:30.000 I think it's a danger.
00:52:31.000 I think we need to trust our souls to a higher power.
00:52:34.000 I mean, even you, you were looking at.
00:52:36.000 You were looking at unified theories of the universe and everything because it is fascinating, because we are driven to seek meaning in something greater than ourselves.
00:52:46.000 And so when we look to AI or any of these movements or any of these removals of the boundaries as a means to create liberty and freedom for ourselves, what we're really doing is diminishing our soul and putting it in peril.
00:53:03.000 I understand that, but it's like the media.
00:53:08.000 Trusting the media, that's the problem.
00:53:09.000 It's not.
00:53:10.000 Well, that's bad too.
00:53:11.000 It's a type of media that's producing media on the fly.
00:53:11.000 This is media.
00:53:14.000 And it's like if a kid doesn't know that it's the media and that it could be wrong, that's you pilot error.
00:53:20.000 That's the parent's fault for not educating that kid and giving them access to a dangerous piece of media creation.
00:53:25.000 Sure, but that's not good enough.
00:53:28.000 Good enough for what?
00:53:28.000 I don't understand.
00:53:28.000 What do you mean?
00:53:29.000 Like saying it's the parent's fault if your kid ends up a total disaster, like that doesn't repair the cost of that kid.
00:53:37.000 But like, at what, how hard do we have to go, you know, authoritarianly to protect the parents to guard their kids? 1.00
00:53:44.000 Like, I'm not saying it's what's it called with the old, the stupid die and the smart survive. 1.00
00:53:47.000 What's that? 1.00
00:53:48.000 Darwin Award, or whatever, where it's like, yo, bro. 1.00
00:53:50.000 If people are so checked out that they let their kids kill themselves because of stupid AI choices, like the gene pool has selected. 1.00
00:53:58.000 I don't know what to say. 0.99
00:53:59.000 Like, now is the time to educate, is to become proficient with the tool so that you can defend yourself because the tool ain't going away.
00:54:06.000 The tool's going to get better.
00:54:06.000 I agree.
00:54:07.000 Know how to use the tool and acknowledge that it is a tool and nothing more.
00:54:12.000 Well, I mean, this is what's interesting.
00:54:13.000 And I got to give a shout out to Kyle Shahir, sponsor of the show, but they have an interesting poll up here.
00:54:18.000 Will the U.S. create a national AI regulator?
00:54:21.000 I mean, you're basically talking about like an F. FTC for AI.
00:54:24.000 And I mean, the betting markets are thinking no before July 1st, 2027, but they're thinking by January 1st, 2028, 75% chance that we do sort of bring in some sort of regulatory body.
00:54:36.000 First thing I'll say is like the Geneva Convention was started after World War II because we won the war and we had the luxury of saying no one else can do it now. 0.64
00:54:45.000 No more gas attacks, everybody.
00:54:47.000 Now that we have control of the planet, we're not doing it.
00:54:49.000 And it's once AI, if there's an AI apocalypse, then they're going to be like, we need some regulation, guys.
00:54:54.000 But I'm Chanel, this is like your wheelhouse.
00:54:56.000 Where's your head at?
00:54:57.000 In this?
00:54:59.000 We can't regulate something that we don't, we can't regulate for a crisis that we don't know exactly what the parameters are.
00:55:07.000 So that is immediately stepping on the wrong foot on this whole conversation.
00:55:11.000 That's what the EU is doing, which is why they're going to be the last ones to develop anything innovative in this space. 0.85
00:55:18.000 And they're just going to mooch off of the risk takers, the Americans and the Chinese.
00:55:22.000 We are taking the risks as we develop this technology. 0.94
00:55:25.000 And the EU, they're just going to sit there and mooch off of us because they are the responsible ones.
00:55:30.000 Created the regulations and the guardrails.
00:55:33.000 But government will never be able to regulate AI at the speed at which it moves.
00:55:41.000 It changes so fast.
00:55:42.000 Like every two days, there's a huge update, like a big update, like that you would see six months, 10 years ago.
00:55:48.000 This is going to be something that is at once something that has fundamentally changed mankind, but it has the ability to destroy us.
00:55:55.000 And how are we going to navigate that?
00:55:57.000 I don't think any single person has the answer.
00:56:00.000 But regulating it only allows the bad guys, basically, like a weapons debate.
00:56:04.000 To have the weapon.
00:56:05.000 The term regulate is interesting because it has a lot of different meanings.
00:56:08.000 To make regular, you know, to make sure everyone's on the same page with something doesn't necessarily mean that you're preventing people from accessing aspects of the thing.
00:56:15.000 Like, we just want to be on the same page.
00:56:17.000 We want to make sure we're regular.
00:56:18.000 I think the really pertinent question that we should have is really how are we as a society interacting with this technology?
00:56:24.000 And this is not a new conversation, by the way.
00:56:26.000 This was something that was explored at MIT in 1964.
00:56:32.000 I forget, it's Kautzbaum, one of the German greats who.
00:56:39.000 Experimented with a black and green text computer in the 60s.
00:56:44.000 Think about the computer in the 60s.
00:56:46.000 Computers were the size of rooms, essentially.
00:56:49.000 And he installed in this computer, I believe, a Rogerian psychological dialogue software, where all it did was talk back at you in text form.
00:57:00.000 It didn't have a voice or anything.
00:57:03.000 And he took in Harvard and MIT students and tested them to see how fast it would take for them to interact with this.
00:57:11.000 Black screened green text computer.
00:57:14.000 How soon would it take for them to become attached to this?
00:57:19.000 I believe one student said, I love you, like genuinely said, I love you to the machine within two weeks.
00:57:26.000 Wow.
00:57:27.000 And his secretary, who was sitting in the room watching him build this machine, knew it was a machine.
00:57:32.000 She actually at one point asked him to leave the room so that she could have a private conversation with the machine.
00:57:37.000 With the machine.
00:57:37.000 That is crazy.
00:57:38.000 Love bombing, like binary code is crazy.
00:57:41.000 So, this is how early we've been thinking about this.
00:57:44.000 And we have understood the problems of what is human attachment.
00:57:48.000 And that really is the sticky, scary conversation.
00:57:51.000 And it's been in our sci fi.
00:57:53.000 It's been in our sci fi for way longer.
00:57:55.000 Yeah.
00:57:56.000 You ever used dial up?
00:57:57.000 Remember Smarter Child on AIM?
00:58:00.000 What's that?
00:58:00.000 Oh, it was basically just like a chat bot in like 2000 or something like that.
00:58:06.000 We just could ask it math problems and, you know.
00:58:08.000 It was your friend on AOL Instant Message.
00:58:11.000 That was literally binary.
00:58:12.000 Now it's post binary.
00:58:13.000 Now we're in the age of weights.
00:58:15.000 So you have the binary system that builds the program and then the weights over.
00:58:18.000 Up and it starts making potential outcome choices.
00:58:21.000 And it's like, although the machine was a binary machine, it's not behaving binarily anymore.
00:58:29.000 And then once you get quantum computation, you mentioned that earlier in the show.
00:58:32.000 I'm not super proficient with it, but when it can be both a one and a zero at the same time, the computer is.
00:58:36.000 If you were very proficient at it, you'd be a very, very wanted man around the world.
00:58:40.000 Yeah, quantum.
00:58:41.000 Everyone's seeking it, but it is.
00:58:44.000 It's where instead of a zero or one, it can be both at the same time.
00:58:47.000 So it can ponder, it gains the ability to sit there and think.
00:58:51.000 Literally self reflect, bro.
00:58:54.000 That's going to be when, and they might already have those in the laboratories where Donald Trump walks into an office and he comes out and he's like, it's called super intelligence, everyone.
00:59:00.000 It's super intelligence. 1.00
00:59:01.000 I'm like, motherfucker, saw some shit. 1.00
00:59:05.000 I think you're right. 1.00
00:59:07.000 That is funny.
00:59:08.000 Hard goosebumps.
00:59:09.000 So, how tight are you with these people?
00:59:10.000 Like, you worked there and are you, have you been warning and ringing bells and like getting these people to come in?
00:59:15.000 No, this is such a new space.
00:59:17.000 And honestly, in the legal profession, it's, Seems to me, just from my observation, and this is speaking from the standpoint of someone who really loves really conservative fighters in the legal space.
00:59:32.000 I don't, I see the older generation, the brilliant minds, the brilliant legal minds in the conservative movement kind of retiring.
00:59:40.000 They're saying, this is you guys' problem.
00:59:43.000 We're leaving.
00:59:44.000 Goodbye.
00:59:45.000 Have fun.
00:59:46.000 And then you have the younger generation just going in and kind of going the way of the EU, saying, like, we just need to regulate all of this because it's all bad.
00:59:56.000 And we need to make sure kids never use it.
00:59:58.000 And it's proposing things that are not quite tenable in today's modern age.
01:00:06.000 It's like saying, let's ban cell phones from children under 14.
01:00:10.000 Is that going to happen in this day and age?
01:00:13.000 Probably not.
01:00:13.000 No, it would be.
01:00:13.000 No.
01:00:14.000 Let's ban the internet from children.
01:00:16.000 And it's like they're always going to find a way.
01:00:18.000 So, not to say that we can't try to protect our children from this, but I think the more protective response is making sure that our children and our next generation.
01:00:30.000 Have a very solid faith based foundation, and from there, a very clean understanding that everything that we're using is a tool and we cannot take the human out of it.
01:00:45.000 But the tool can definitely make us better, human.
01:00:47.000 That's a dangerous philosophy, though.
01:00:49.000 In that, it's all dangerous.
01:00:52.000 We might, what's that?
01:00:53.000 It's all dangerous.
01:00:54.000 All of this is very dangerous.
01:00:54.000 We might start to treat each other as tools, like people already use each other sometimes.
01:00:58.000 But if you really get into the mindset of that talking machine right there as a tool, it has nothing.
01:01:03.000 No emotions, and I can treat it however I want.
01:01:05.000 You might see psychopathy develop and people start to treat each other poorly.
01:01:09.000 Wouldn't it also be psychopathy to treat a machine as though it has emotion?
01:01:12.000 But it's not the machine.
01:01:13.000 It's what the machine has produced.
01:01:15.000 No.
01:01:16.000 It's what you're attributing to the machine.
01:01:17.000 So, what the MIT guys found out, and ultimately Sherry Turkle, who's a brilliant mind in this space, what they discovered was really it's that we attribute the simpler the object, the more meaning we're going to attribute to it.
01:01:35.000 Like your teddy bear.
01:01:37.000 And the more attachment you will actually create.
01:01:40.000 Toward the object.
01:01:41.000 And that is, if you think about that now with the technology we have, the pet rock.
01:01:47.000 Exactly.
01:01:47.000 So the attachment becomes even more outsized according to the object, but the object just needs to be a stoic kind of like, you know, responds and just asks you questions and is constantly speaking to you as if you're the only person in the room and you're the only person it cares about.
01:02:05.000 And that is how people build these attachments.
01:02:09.000 And that's how they're going to addict our children to these programs because that is highly profitable.
01:02:14.000 You're saying object permanently people get obsessed with the simple, a simple thing that they can look at?
01:02:19.000 A simple thing that has basic interactive ability.
01:02:22.000 The more basic the interactive ability is and interactive, then the more a person will be attached to it.
01:02:28.000 The attachment theory conversation is really fast.
01:02:31.000 That's a whole new element.
01:02:33.000 But I don't hear or see enough people talking about that who are on the conservative side and then coming up with potential solutions.
01:02:41.000 And I hope, I wish there were more people like that out there.
01:02:44.000 I see the, like, People talk about how websites have tried to make themselves addictive, like ding, like a slot machine, Instagram, and they'll get a lawsuit here and a lawsuit there, sort of like that.
01:02:53.000 Like, stop making my kids so addicted to your program.
01:02:55.000 But it's not quite the same as like developing an emotional attachment with a simple object.
01:03:00.000 I think that's where the, what is it, the first is in the, in the, in the Ten Commandments, it's like, no false idols, have no false idols.
01:03:07.000 Yeah, this goes back to our spiritual conversation about this.
01:03:10.000 I think that's really going to be the sticky area that no one will have an answer for, but we will have to create guards.
01:03:16.000 It's like in combat, I imagine the soldier doesn't worship his rifle, but you're made to become as one with the rifle.
01:03:24.000 It is like your, it is you.
01:03:26.000 You are the rifle.
01:03:27.000 You are the rifle man.
01:03:28.000 Like that is your.
01:03:29.000 So there's a value to, because I feel like if my computer gets shut off when I'm in the middle of research or building, it's like I'm desperately lost.
01:03:38.000 I can't, like I can go play guitar or crack the whip, but like I can't.
01:03:42.000 What?
01:03:42.000 You didn't grow up with encyclopedias?
01:03:44.000 You don't have a backup encyclopedia with your generator?
01:03:46.000 I don't have this.
01:03:47.000 The encyclopedias, I'm exploring new thoughts, new realms that haven't been figured out yet.
01:03:51.000 So, the books and trying to find it in the book takes, like you said, trying to get your whatever you were doing took you weeks.
01:03:57.000 Now, to do that legal stuff takes you two hours.
01:04:00.000 It's just like really sad to think I've got to go sow the field by hand now because my tractor broke down and I'm getting attached to it.
01:04:08.000 It's yes, no, no.
01:04:09.000 Once humanity has tasted how easy life is, I mean, there is no going back, which is why I think it's so foolish to try and create these restrictive guardrails saying, like, oh, we're going to allow people to only use.
01:04:22.000 Between the hours of 8 a.m. and 2 p.m.
01:04:24.000 Like, there's just people are just going to find ways around it.
01:04:27.000 It's kind of how I felt when they took Fable 5 away after they rolled it out.
01:04:30.000 And I was like, wow, this is great.
01:04:32.000 And they're like, we're actually taking it back.
01:04:34.000 And then they gave it back to us for like two weeks.
01:04:37.000 And they're like, and then we're going to put it behind like a bigger paywall so you can't afford it.
01:04:40.000 Was this a game?
01:04:41.000 No, it's one of the Claude models that is really good.
01:04:46.000 The most advanced consumer model right now is Fable 5.1.
01:04:49.000 Oh, Fable.
01:04:50.000 Okay.
01:04:51.000 It's part of the Mythos rollout.
01:04:52.000 So they released it.
01:04:53.000 It was too powerful.
01:04:54.000 They brought it back.
01:04:55.000 They released a new version of it and made it really expensive.
01:04:55.000 They changed it.
01:04:58.000 Yeah.
01:04:59.000 Yeah, that's the one that these models that are behind the paywall are basically the ones that are solving the math problems.
01:05:05.000 Did anyone believe that that was real or was that just a PR stunt?
01:05:07.000 Which one?
01:05:08.000 Fable thing, yeah.
01:05:09.000 I think they released something that could hack math.
01:05:09.000 I think it was real.
01:05:12.000 Like, what's happening now is like they had accidentally released it to the public, and they were like, That's a big weapon we gotta be careful about.
01:05:19.000 Pull back, quietly took it back and then changed it.
01:05:22.000 I think they beautifully used it for PR because they did like keep selling.
01:05:27.000 Oh, we're actually gonna extend it seven more days to keep people on the phone.
01:05:31.000 I think there was a PR movie through the chat GPT releases and stuff.
01:05:34.000 So, I was thinking of how easy it would be to just destroy the world with AI.
01:05:37.000 Like, I'm working with it 15 hour days, 12 hour days for the last three weeks, literally.
01:05:41.000 Every day, every day.
01:05:42.000 The only thing other than that I do is come on the show and go to the bathroom and sleep and eat barely sleep.
01:05:46.000 I sleep.
01:05:47.000 If I wanted to mass mail, email the world, I could destroy networks with this AI.
01:05:52.000 I could, and this is me, I'm just a guy.
01:05:55.000 I don't have NSA tech, but like I could whip this world up so easy with AI.
01:06:01.000 It is so easy to break things by overloading them.
01:06:04.000 Like it terrifies.
01:06:07.000 And I've got a consumer grade low end model.
01:06:10.000 Mm hmm.
01:06:13.000 Man, I say go for it.
01:06:14.000 I don't like the idea of this.
01:06:15.000 I have to think like this.
01:06:16.000 Please give us tickets.
01:06:17.000 Please give us tickets so we can watch and then make sure that we have some stream it live.
01:06:21.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:06:24.000 I'm going to try to be totally legal with everything I do. 0.78
01:06:28.000 Well, and speaking of streaming live, we're going to stream live the execution of this Hassan, which I was eight years old when the Fort Hood shooting happens. 0.76
01:06:39.000 I vaguely remember it. 0.78
01:06:41.000 But every time I speak to anyone in the armed services or any veteran of said armed services, Uh, they, uh, this is public enemy number one.
01:06:49.000 Um, and people again, this is the common response you would get from servicemen what ought to be done.
01:06:54.000 Uh, it's Major Hassan here.
01:06:55.000 The response is public execution.
01:06:57.000 And uh, Hegseth and co have appeared to follow through on this.
01:07:00.000 A Jack Pasobic was not on the ground on the water here and got the scoop on the USS Lincoln.
01:07:06.000 Uh, when P. Hegseth said, Yeah, it's going to be a public execution.
01:07:08.000 Now, they haven't actually flushed out if this is going to be like live stream because the obvious question is where can you live stream that besides live leak?
01:07:16.000 Well, I mean, they could certainly do it on Pentagon.
01:07:16.000 I guess.
01:07:19.000 They could do it on Pentagon.gov.
01:07:20.000 I know they have that.
01:07:22.000 It's going to be December 3rd, 1 p.m. at Fort Hood.
01:07:27.000 Honestly, they shouldn't just give this out for fire issue.
01:07:30.000 I was going to say, pay for view.
01:07:32.000 It should be pay for view, and then all the proceeds need to go to the families who are suffering.
01:07:37.000 What I worry about is that within five minutes, it's just going to be a meme, and kids are going to be doing fashion show memes to the firing squad.
01:07:47.000 Well, someone made an interesting point.
01:07:48.000 Is at this point, As everyone understands that he's like crippled, he's in a wheelchair, etc.
01:07:54.000 So, some people are concerned about the optics.
01:07:56.000 But once again, no one in the armed forces cares what they think.
01:08:00.000 Well, that's what Hegseth said when Jack asked him about it.
01:08:05.000 It was actually a great interview.
01:08:06.000 I thought a terrific interview on the deck of the USS Lincoln as these guys came home after 320 days at sea.
01:08:15.000 Oh, we could watch the clip.
01:08:16.000 Yeah, I think we should maybe just watch the clip because it's only a minute 30.
01:08:19.000 Poso and he.
01:08:20.000 Yeah, out in San Diego.
01:08:20.000 Poso, yeah.
01:08:22.000 I don't believe anyone's asked you on air about this yet.
01:08:26.000 And so I wanted to get you on the record.
01:08:28.000 Major Hassan, huge news that came out.
01:08:32.000 One of these people, Zhokar Zarnayev, is another federal one who's got the death penalty that you were sort of waiting on, but he's not military.
01:08:39.000 But Major Hassan, this news that came down regarding firing squad, can you tell us about how that came about and what led to that decision process?
01:08:47.000 No brainer.
01:08:49.000 Execution by firing squad. 1.00
01:08:51.000 Army major betrays his country, radical Islamist, kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood. 1.00
01:08:55.000 Of course, we're going to do it at Fort Hood. 0.67
01:08:57.000 We're going to do it on a Thursday.
01:08:58.000 We're going to do it at one o'clock, which is when he did it.
01:09:00.000 And it's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad.
01:09:04.000 It hadn't been since World War II since we've done that.
01:09:07.000 Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was win, which was understand when the enemy attacks you, you need to stand your ground. 0.89
01:09:15.000 So it was radical Islamist terror attack. 0.65
01:09:17.000 Remember what Obama called it?
01:09:19.000 Workplace violence?
01:09:20.000 I mean, that's what we're up against.
01:09:21.000 That's the worldview we're up against is workplace violence, CVE.
01:09:25.000 We know what it is.
01:09:26.000 It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks. 0.97
01:09:29.000 And so he's going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be.
01:09:32.000 And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it's public, because people need to understand that there's serious consequences for these types of things.
01:09:42.000 Has Major Hassan made any final request, reached out to the president, anything like that to your knowledge?
01:09:47.000 Don't care.
01:09:49.000 We'll see him on December 3rd.
01:09:51.000 Dude, he's.
01:09:51.000 I mean, that's quite something.
01:09:52.000 I don't care.
01:09:53.000 Don't care.
01:09:54.000 I'm curious.
01:09:55.000 He says at the end, it will be for all to see.
01:09:57.000 Now, the question is, does that mean anyone at Fort Hood?
01:10:00.000 He said we'll show it publicly.
01:10:02.000 Right.
01:10:03.000 Is that publicly like it's going to be live streamed?
01:10:06.000 I think that's public.
01:10:07.000 That's big.
01:10:08.000 I mean, yeah, because back in the day when we did this, it was just whoever was around.
01:10:11.000 But now we have.
01:10:12.000 Well, they'd let you know there's going to be a public hanging in the square.
01:10:12.000 Television.
01:10:15.000 Right. 0.99
01:10:16.000 Come on down.
01:10:17.000 But now someone in Chadwick can watch this and someone in, you know, right.
01:10:20.000 I mean, that's pretty unprecedented.
01:10:21.000 You mentioned memes being made.
01:10:22.000 I don't know if public is the way to do it because I think it's fascinating.
01:10:26.000 Definitely the way to do it.
01:10:27.000 Long live the firing squad.
01:10:29.000 Yeah.
01:10:30.000 It's about time we brought it back.
01:10:31.000 And you said you mentioned optics, you know, wheeling this guy out who's in a wheelchair. 0.98
01:10:37.000 You know, it's really bad optics. 0.99
01:10:37.000 Who cares? 0.99
01:10:39.000 The fact that we kept this guy alive for 20 plus years and he shot a pregnant woman and killed her. 0.58
01:10:44.000 And went back and shot everyone else that he did shoot three to seven times again, execution style, just to make sure they were dead.
01:10:51.000 That's terrible optics. 0.94
01:10:52.000 And that guy was shouting.
01:10:54.000 While shouting.
01:10:55.000 A long time ago.
01:10:55.000 And he was shouting, he ran in, he was shouting, Allahu Akbar.
01:10:59.000 He specifically was killing people who were about to be shipped off to Afghanistan on a deployment.
01:11:07.000 He said that he changed his mind about America when America started having a war in the Middle East, Middle East countries.
01:11:13.000 He wounded 32 people.
01:11:15.000 The only reason he's paralyzed.
01:11:17.000 Is because a civilian who was there, a civilian security guard, shot him and now he's paralyzed.
01:11:23.000 Yeah.
01:11:23.000 So terrible optics to have kept him alive and I don't understand why we do that.
01:11:26.000 I don't understand why the 9 11 guys are still. 0.85
01:11:29.000 It's the most baffling.
01:11:31.000 I mean, I understand with the appeals, but when it's open and shut terrorism, I mean, why are we not doing this the next week?
01:11:37.000 Yeah, human rights.
01:11:38.000 Well, December 3rd.
01:11:39.000 That's the date that he.
01:11:41.000 Yeah, but when you do something, I'm not trying to moralize here, but when you do something as heinous as what this attacker did at Fort Hood, you kind of forfeit your human rights at that point.
01:11:51.000 And that's my perspective.
01:11:52.000 I can't square that filter.
01:11:54.000 Not according to the people who say that computers have feelings.
01:11:57.000 Wow, that's a good point.
01:11:58.000 But in that instance, I'm like, fair game.
01:12:02.000 This is what he deserves far worse.
01:12:04.000 I think there's nothing on Earth that we could do that would actually truly even out the cosmic ledger here.
01:12:09.000 This is the next best thing.
01:12:10.000 You think about what you do with your traitors or your prisoners.
01:12:14.000 In one instance, you want to erase them from the minds of everyone, that they never even existed.
01:12:20.000 But then the other side is, I want to show everyone what they did and what we're going to do to people that do stuff like that.
01:12:25.000 But with internet TV, I had this feeling that it's going to get clipped.
01:12:30.000 It's going to be used for 100 years to show what the US did in the early 2020s.
01:12:36.000 And it could end up backfiring.
01:12:39.000 We don't need to scare the world into subservience right now, it's already terrified of us. 0.99
01:12:44.000 But I think he should be executed. 0.97
01:12:46.000 I think he should have been executed on the spot, to be honest, if he tried to do that to my men. 0.99
01:12:51.000 There's a child that would have been 17 years old right now had that child not been killed in. 0.98
01:12:58.000 Their mother's belly that day.
01:13:00.000 So, yeah.
01:13:02.000 I mean, and honestly, there's plenty of places in the world where they're wondering why we haven't done this already.
01:13:07.000 I would assume the vast majority of the world would be scratching their heads, like, wait, it's been what, 16, 17 years?
01:13:12.000 You guys keep, look at the woman who, for far less. 1.00
01:13:14.000 Look at the woman, look at Krista in Tennessee, who's botched us executions.
01:13:20.000 Have a lot of us wondering why she was sentenced, what, 20, 30 years ago? 0.94
01:13:25.000 Yeah, 96.
01:13:26.000 Only now getting around to this.
01:13:28.000 I like that.
01:13:29.000 Also, the thing with the pentobarbital wasn't there a whole thing like that's the lethal injection?
01:13:33.000 Is this pentobarbital?
01:13:35.000 But there were all these issues because we were getting these drugs from Europe, and Europe decided that the death penalty was bad.
01:13:41.000 And so they decided not to sell us these drugs.
01:13:44.000 So lethal injection shouldn't be a thing.
01:13:47.000 That's when firing squads started to make a comeback because if there's anything America has, it's lots of bullets.
01:13:54.000 And I mean, as I understand it, the reason for the firing squad was to basically have eight guys, and none of them would be sure who would actually kill them.
01:13:54.000 Yeah.
01:14:02.000 One of the guns has a blank.
01:14:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:14:06.000 So, you know, the whole point is that way none of them have to live with.
01:14:09.000 I mean, even though you're killing this heinous monster, it's psychology.
01:14:11.000 You're still going to have that.
01:14:13.000 I believe the protocol is if they all miss somehow, which would be very embarrassing and bad, but if they all miss, I think the guy in charge, I forget what the corporal or whoever's in charge, he has to bring his side piece and actually finish the job.
01:14:24.000 That's what I feel like.
01:14:24.000 Also, I feel like it's a little different in military.
01:14:27.000 You know, what?
01:14:27.000 Yeah.
01:14:29.000 Executions?
01:14:30.000 Yeah.
01:14:31.000 Yeah.
01:14:31.000 I mean, this is like because, you know, people, there's like debates online.
01:14:35.000 There's multiple debates here.
01:14:36.000 The two debates I'm seeing around this is, first of all, Firing squad does seem like a more dignified way to go out than lethal injection.
01:14:43.000 Or lethal injection, you're getting put down like a dog.
01:14:45.000 She asked for a firing squad. 0.99
01:14:47.000 Versus firing squad. 1.00
01:14:48.000 Pike.
01:14:48.000 Yeah, Pike.
01:14:49.000 She asked for an all female firing squad. 1.00
01:14:51.000 And because of Hollywood, you know, there's a bit of glamour in some people's, some sick people's eyes.
01:14:55.000 And then additionally, something people are concerned about is if it becomes precedent, people like to go out with a bang.
01:15:00.000 Hey, I could go out on national television.
01:15:02.000 You know, I could be, you know, have my face everywhere.
01:15:04.000 And this is the problem we have with mass shooters is like a lot of people speculate, they view it as a scoreboard.
01:15:09.000 And if they're going to, you know, take their own life, they might as well.
01:15:12.000 You know, go out and watch.
01:15:12.000 They won't be showing their face because I think the other protocol is that they put a sack over their head.
01:15:16.000 Right.
01:15:17.000 But everyone knows who he is and they'll be able to tell it's him, et cetera.
01:15:21.000 But I'm not too worried about that specifically in this instance because he did this 17 years ago.
01:15:26.000 So he wasn't thinking, wow, I'm going to be a national superstar. 0.99
01:15:28.000 He's a sick, twisted individual. 0.97
01:15:31.000 Another interesting thing about Hassan that a lot of people don't know is he's also a psychiatrist. 0.99
01:15:37.000 He was an army shrink.
01:15:38.000 Yeah.
01:15:38.000 That was his job.
01:15:40.000 This is someone that, you know.
01:15:41.000 Which is why they called it at first workplace violence.
01:15:44.000 Right.
01:15:45.000 Yeah, which I just think is another fascinating wrinkle.
01:15:48.000 Which, at my point, would be to get on my soapbox and say, This is why you can't trust a lot of these people who study the brain all day because a lot of them are incredibly narcissistic.
01:15:56.000 Bro, all I do is study brains.
01:15:58.000 Yeah, but you're not a psychiatrist.
01:16:00.000 Wait, I think I just fell into your trap. 0.89
01:16:01.000 You're kind of a, I'd say you're like a gorilla psychiatrist. 0.92
01:16:04.000 I don't truly give it. 0.98
01:16:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:06.000 I don't care about the paperwork.
01:16:07.000 I just want to know.
01:16:08.000 Yeah, I think that's admirable.
01:16:09.000 Those make me crazy, though.
01:16:10.000 But I remember in college, every single person that was studying, every bar none, that was studying psychiatry was like a demented psychiatrist. 0.61
01:16:16.000 Twisted individual, again, bar none.
01:16:19.000 That was my university.
01:16:20.000 You've seen that funny video of all these psychiatrists at a convention that they taped and said, How many people have you healed?
01:16:30.000 I recently had, yeah, I recently was talking to Chloe Carmichael about that, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, on my podcast.
01:16:37.000 Everyone, check it out.
01:16:39.000 Anyway, we were talking about it and I was like, I asked her this question Why don't you ever have therapists who are like, Great, you're good?
01:16:48.000 You're great.
01:16:49.000 And she said she had talked to a therapist one time who said, What do I tell them?
01:16:53.000 You know, if I tell them that they're fine now, they'll stop coming back.
01:16:56.000 It'd be like if Netflix said, You've seen all the movies, so you're on your way.
01:16:59.000 We'll cut off that.
01:17:00.000 Well, we've solved the homelessness problem, so we don't have all these no more NGOs handling these millions of California tax dollars.
01:17:08.000 Or free food.
01:17:09.000 Don't have to work for a living.
01:17:10.000 We'll just give you some food every month.
01:17:12.000 Why would I do anything?
01:17:13.000 They do that.
01:17:14.000 You can sign up for that.
01:17:16.000 I use the food stamps.
01:17:17.000 Yeah.
01:17:18.000 You know, this Pete Hegseth guy is pretty legit as a war commander.
01:17:21.000 He seems pretty smart.
01:17:22.000 He reminds me of General Patton, the World War II general, one of the most badass killers known to man in the history of the United States.
01:17:30.000 It helps that he does his speeches in front of a gigantic.
01:17:33.000 American flag, and we're all thinking with Patton, the movie, or on an aircraft carrier. 0.99
01:17:37.000 He's got like the posture, and like the, he just doesn't give a shit about certain things that you can't give a shit about in war. 0.97
01:17:45.000 And he's, we're not in, well, technically, we're not technically in war, but you know, our troops are deployed in the Middle East right now. 0.98
01:17:50.000 So it's really refreshing to see that in the modern age.
01:17:54.000 Cause for so long, I've been like dudes hiding behind teleprompters, and like, who was the last, Lloyd Austin?
01:17:58.000 Who was the last general of the military?
01:18:00.000 He vanished for a while.
01:18:01.000 Half the time he was, half the time he's in the hospital, and now you've got the current media criticizing Hegseth because he was.
01:18:08.000 Maybe he looked like he was panting while he was running with the troops last week.
01:18:12.000 And you're like, where were these same outlets when Lloyd Austin was missing in the hospital?
01:18:18.000 Yeah, Lloyd Austin.
01:18:18.000 Or do you remember him with his COVID gear?
01:18:20.000 It was like the full face shield.
01:18:22.000 And the whole thing.
01:18:22.000 Yes.
01:18:23.000 And you were just like, I don't know how to handle stuff.
01:18:28.000 My husband works for the Navy Secretary.
01:18:30.000 He's a senior advisor for the Navy Secretary.
01:18:33.000 And as a guy who spent his career in the intelligence world and the military world, he was SEAL Team 5.
01:18:41.000 He was.
01:18:42.000 Pretty, he was pretty ingrained in this culture.
01:18:47.000 To hear him talk about the sea change that you're seeing in what everyone has called the five sided nuthouse is incredible.
01:18:55.000 There's, of course, issues, and those issues are always remnant bureaucracies that people are still having to wade through.
01:19:02.000 It's amazing what this administration has been able to actually get done in the time that it has had so far.
01:19:09.000 And that should be very encouraging to people.
01:19:11.000 But again, we only have two years, and the bureaucracy is strong.
01:19:15.000 And there's a lot of people who want things to go back to the Lloyd Austin days, the moment that this administration leaves.
01:19:22.000 Yeah, they're just, it's a while you look at the Nova suburbs with all the houses for sale.
01:19:27.000 Some people are just doing a waiting game.
01:19:28.000 They're like, I'll list it a little higher and we'll see if the Democrats get back in and they'll take it off the market.
01:19:32.000 Yeah.
01:19:34.000 It's fascinating stuff.
01:19:36.000 It is encouraging.
01:19:37.000 I mean, at the very least, it's just a kind of vibes thing because the servicemen went through so much during COVID.
01:19:43.000 The ones who managed to somehow evade the vaccine requirements that they were coming down with.
01:19:48.000 Just completely demoralized.
01:19:49.000 So, you know, people, and I know people on the right and they're critical of Hegseth and whatnot, but you have to understand the breathing room that he's provided for a lot of these guys that were in the service who just felt not only completely underappreciated, but they felt hostility towards them from, you know, top brass in the military.
01:20:08.000 And obviously, there's probably a lot of those figures still floating in who may change their tune to evade sort of accountability.
01:20:16.000 But you got to look at stuff like this and you got to understand, put yourself in the shoes of those guys who.
01:20:22.000 You know, dealt with quite frankly BS for the last 10, 20, 30 years, even.
01:20:27.000 So, this is fantastic stuff.
01:20:28.000 I'm curious.
01:20:29.000 I mean, you're, you know, with your husband and his sort of sphere, what has their reaction been to this?
01:20:36.000 What is the broader kind of people that, you know, are in?
01:20:39.000 Because it's easy for me as a podcast to say this is based, but like, you know.
01:20:43.000 I mean, I can't speak for the entire Pentagon, but, you know, his circle is thrilled to see this kind of justice being rendered at last.
01:20:51.000 Finally, we have men.
01:20:52.000 Running the military, which is as it should be. 0.92
01:20:55.000 Men are the killers in society.
01:20:58.000 And this is the killer mentality we kill to protect those we love. 0.70
01:21:03.000 We don't kill because we love to kill.
01:21:05.000 And some people do that, and that's awful. 1.00
01:21:07.000 Women are the nurturers. 1.00
01:21:08.000 We are to care and nurture for society. 1.00
01:21:12.000 Men are to kill and kill the bad guys on our behalf. 0.99
01:21:15.000 And that's the leadership that you're seeing here. 1.00
01:21:17.000 I think that's great.
01:21:19.000 I mean, heck, Seth, again, whatever I think he's great, the vibes are great, and the hyper.
01:21:28.000 The kind of masculine presentation is very.
01:21:30.000 Enlistment is through the roof.
01:21:32.000 Do you remember what the stats are?
01:21:34.000 Isn't enlistment up through the roof?
01:21:35.000 It's a lot.
01:21:36.000 We've never seen enlistment levels at this point.
01:21:38.000 One thing that he said, he was telling Jack in this interview, is that a lot of the people who are signing up now are a couple of years older than normal signups are.
01:21:48.000 Yeah.
01:21:49.000 And he was like, I guess they didn't want to sign up three years ago because there wasn't anything to sign up for.
01:21:56.000 But I do agree with you that the masculine approach to this is refreshing.
01:22:00.000 Yeah, or the Pentagon.
01:22:01.000 I mean, this is, I mean, yeah.
01:22:02.000 Anecdotally, I mean, I'm 25.
01:22:04.000 I remember a lot of my friends who came from military families or came from backgrounds that you would expect would be a natural fit for the military.
01:22:12.000 But Biden's in office or is near the end of the Trump term, but, you know, Biden's in office.
01:22:17.000 And even Trump, when in the first term wasn't quite as, you know, cutthroat with cleaning up the military as he's been in the second term.
01:22:23.000 A lot of those guys just skipped out on it.
01:22:25.000 They were just like, I don't know, man.
01:22:27.000 This is such a team effort, though.
01:22:29.000 This, you know, Hegsteth is one.
01:22:31.000 You know, one very important part of this whole thing why an American will pledge their life to in service of this country.
01:22:40.000 To your point, under the Biden era, it was a very different environment.
01:22:44.000 Think about that one moment.
01:22:46.000 This lives rent free in my head all the time.
01:22:48.000 Secretary Blinken, in his first meeting with China in Alaska, and China immediately sat down in a long conference table like this and started berating, hand pointing.
01:23:01.000 To Secretary Blinken.
01:23:02.000 That was embarrassing. 0.96
01:23:03.000 And shaming Blinken and saying, America is a racist nation. 0.99
01:23:07.000 Look at your BLM riots. 1.00
01:23:09.000 You are horrible. 1.00
01:23:11.000 You have engaged in all these human rights violations against your own people. 1.00
01:23:14.000 Well, China is racist.
01:23:16.000 Oh, meanwhile, they're just, we know these things, but that guy was standing down, Anthony Blinken, and Blinken looked like a kitten sitting in that room. 0.58
01:23:26.000 And I could just imagine, you know, my husband could speak more on this too, but.
01:23:31.000 Being someone who pledged your life to those leaders, those are the guys making the decision about whether or not you're going to go out in the field.
01:23:40.000 You have no confidence in that whatsoever.
01:23:42.000 Why the Bolshevik Revolution succeeded is because the leadership had become so weak.
01:23:46.000 You know, the Emperor, what was his name?
01:23:48.000 Nicholas, Tsar Nicholas, was just such a piss poor leader that he was even trying to lead troops during World War I.
01:23:54.000 And really, he was like, at some point, it got so bad in Russia during World War I. 0.53
01:23:57.000 They were losing so bad that he was like, okay, I'll come out of my palace and go lead the troops myself.
01:24:02.000 And he was even worse.
01:24:02.000 And he did.
01:24:03.000 Yeah. 0.92
01:24:04.000 And then the Bolsheviks were like, see, Come on. 0.90
01:24:07.000 And then they just took over. 0.60
01:24:08.000 There weren't even that many Bolsheviks. 0.58
01:24:09.000 There were like a thousand of them. 0.93
01:24:11.000 All you need is poor leadership and no one to do anything about it.
01:24:15.000 And then a revolution is easy.
01:24:16.000 Yeah.
01:24:17.000 Oh, I'm so glad that those, that Lloyd, I didn't know what Lloyd Austin looked like.
01:24:21.000 I just knew he had health problems and he was super old.
01:24:22.000 But again, like it's a team effort.
01:24:24.000 Look at the speech that Rubio gave.
01:24:26.000 Yeah, that was great.
01:24:28.000 I mean, the aesthetics were on point.
01:24:29.000 As someone who loves to study rhetoric and literature, I have never heard, in a very long time, I've not heard a political speech, an oration.
01:24:38.000 As eloquent and on the money and completely beautifully delivered as the Rubio speech yesterday.
01:24:45.000 The only other one that comes to mind is RFK Jr.'s concession speech.
01:24:50.000 I also thought that was a remarkable political oration of our times.
01:24:54.000 Like, mark it as one of the top speeches you've heard in your lifetimes.
01:24:57.000 And I think that happened with Rubio, who is Secretary of State.
01:25:01.000 And again, huge morale boost to the military to look and see a man standing in front of the Parthenon saying, The West is a beautiful thing and you should be proud to defend it.
01:25:13.000 Yeah.
01:25:14.000 I was just thinking about reason.
01:25:17.000 Like, the West is basically the birthplace of reason, Greece, particularly, the three pillars of reason being logic, rhetoric, and grammar.
01:25:26.000 And so, like, that's what we're defending is reason.
01:25:28.000 Like, That it came from Greece, it followed the Romans to England, and now it's here.
01:25:33.000 And it's like we're supposed to uphold these three things.
01:25:36.000 It's obviously easy not to use grammar, not to understand what a comma, what a pause might indicate, what tone may change, but that's reason.
01:25:44.000 You know, you need to be reasonable.
01:25:45.000 It's a guiding force.
01:25:47.000 In my opinion, it's the guiding force of what makes us human.
01:25:49.000 Well, and I think specifically what was so great about the Rubio speech was he's, because he's the chief diplomat, he's rewriting the sort of transatlantic relationship on not just our terms, but on like a deeper.
01:26:04.000 Almost a familial term because for the longest time, this transnational relationship.
01:26:08.000 Okay, the obvious reason why we're allied with Europe is because we're of the same ilk.
01:26:12.000 We're cut from the same cloth.
01:26:14.000 Europe created us, and then we.
01:26:15.000 Difference being our ancestors are smart enough to escape.
01:26:18.000 Sure.
01:26:19.000 Saw the islands over there and come here.
01:26:20.000 You know, they came and settled America, but we kind of took it to the next level or whatever.
01:26:25.000 I don't want to get into a chess beating competition, but we're of the same family, right?
01:26:28.000 That is fundamentally why we have this connection with Europe and why this transnational relationship up until the last few years has been so easy and natural, barring a few disagreements.
01:26:37.000 Britain.
01:26:39.000 But Rubio comes up there and he makes that case and he says, This is why this is a thing.
01:26:44.000 This is why this is something we're interested in still pursuing.
01:26:47.000 Compare that to previous, not just chief diplomats, but presidents, et cetera, where they get up and they're like, It's our mutual commitment to liberal democracy and our rights, shared human rights, and our heritage of democracy.
01:27:03.000 It's just like the most nonsensical cringe.
01:27:06.000 It's neoconservatism in a nutshell.
01:27:09.000 That was ultimately what was so refreshing to be able to mark Rubio's speech beyond the Fantastic aesthetics, obviously.
01:27:13.000 I mean, even the lighting was great.
01:27:15.000 Not to glaze here, but it was a really just intense, very cinematic moment.
01:27:19.000 But it was very stately, too.
01:27:21.000 And, you know, there's some of the other people that Trump has sent out there to represent us.
01:27:26.000 I don't know if you can maybe say the same.
01:27:27.000 It's been a little awkward.
01:27:29.000 Rubia just nailed it for, you know.
01:27:30.000 Yeah, he turned around and DJed a wedding right after that. 0.99
01:27:32.000 Yeah.
01:27:32.000 Right.
01:27:33.000 What about a guy who, like, just knows how to be a statesman?
01:27:37.000 Yeah.
01:27:37.000 But that's what stuck out to me was like, he was basically telling Europe, look, we want to keep this.
01:27:43.000 Thing going, but we got to admit why this works.
01:27:46.000 Like, it is not just we both are vaguely committed to liberal ideas or democracy.
01:27:52.000 It is a like serious familial bond that we have.
01:27:56.000 And that is ultimately the only way this is going to work going forward.
01:27:59.000 This is as I see it. 0.92
01:28:01.000 And this is why, like, immigration, immigration comes up, third world immigration, et cetera.
01:28:05.000 Well, because nations are a like distinct people with a distinct heritage, et cetera, that is worth protecting.
01:28:11.000 We're not protecting, we don't have strict immigration policy because we care a lot about liberal.
01:28:15.000 Democracy, or because we care so much about our values.
01:28:18.000 It's like, no, we're trying to protect the family inside of the house.
01:28:20.000 That is why we lock our doors.
01:28:21.000 There's a reason we used to have walled cities. 0.94
01:28:25.000 The nations, I don't know if the nations dictate the people because someone in Western India, right on the border, is more Pakistani than they are with the people far in the East, you know, that are more Chinese or something. 0.84
01:28:25.000 Yeah. 0.84
01:28:39.000 The core population of a country is the nation state is there to represent them and vice versa.
01:28:46.000 Yes, there's people that exist in the countries that maybe the border crossed them.
01:28:49.000 You know, like India, that was the British making that border.
01:28:51.000 So, obviously, some Muslims were in India rather than in Pakistan.
01:28:56.000 But at the core of the Indian nation state is ultimately these people that are Hindu and speak Hindi, et cetera, and then the other minority groups that vaguely feel similar and common.
01:29:08.000 I brought up this specificity because I think the age of nationhood is dimming.
01:29:14.000 We don't need to always have countries.
01:29:17.000 We had city states before, and then we had states, and then we had countries.
01:29:20.000 Now we have a whole world we can unify.
01:29:23.000 But like, totally disagree.
01:29:24.000 I think, yeah, the country was sort of formed over time as technology got better, and we could, as long as our communication, it all relies on our communication technology, it's how wide we can govern.
01:29:33.000 I disagree.
01:29:34.000 I think we're at the apex now of the nation state.
01:29:36.000 I mean, the United States, even with our divergence from being the world's police, blank check, we're still a lobbying agent on behalf of the nation state.
01:29:47.000 The United Nations, the entire purpose of the United Nations is to just be the lobbying arm for the idea of a liberal democratic nation state.
01:29:55.000 I mean, that is fundamentally a big driving force behind the Iran conflict is trying to convert them into sort of a liberal democracy.
01:30:02.000 And this has been the source of all of our escapades in the Middle East thus far as well.
01:30:06.000 I know Libby probably has some thoughts too.
01:30:08.000 She also disagreed.
01:30:10.000 Yeah, judging someone based on what country they're from is less effective than it was 200 years ago.
01:30:15.000 It used to mean a lot because that was all you knew was your surroundings.
01:30:18.000 Now you have TV. 0.68
01:30:19.000 So someone might be born in India, but they speak perfect English and they move here when they're 21 and they have perfect American assimilation.
01:30:28.000 Oh, you're saying the cultural differences between people is broken down?
01:30:32.000 Yeah, the national identity is sort of vague now compared to before the internet.
01:30:38.000 I think the argument that you're making had better credence in the 90s than it does now.
01:30:45.000 I think a lot of things have changed because, yes, we certainly the whole thing where you go anywhere and it's the same McDonald's, that's something that we've talked about for a while, or that you can.
01:30:59.000 You know, I've known people who like learned English from watching movies and they grew up somewhere else, and you can't tell their English is perfectly American English.
01:31:08.000 But I do think that they're that we're coming back to an age when people have more respect, perhaps, for their countries.
01:31:16.000 And I think we're looking at generations of kids who were not raised to care about their nation, to care about their culture, to believe in it, to have, you know, to have pride for its history, to have pride for its accomplishments.
01:31:31.000 And I think we're seeing.
01:31:32.000 The repercussions of that, certainly.
01:31:35.000 When you have an entire nation, like look at our Ivy League schools, right?
01:31:38.000 What were Ivy League schools for?
01:31:40.000 They were to raise our leaders.
01:31:41.000 This is where they were supposed to get educated.
01:31:43.000 So many of our presidents went to Harvard.
01:31:45.000 I wouldn't send my kid to Harvard now with a full scholarship.
01:31:48.000 Well, maybe with a full scholarship, but, you know, I mean, what are we talking about?
01:31:52.000 But less than that, no, I would not.
01:31:56.000 So we're, and we have downgraded those institutions.
01:31:59.000 They are not training our leaders.
01:32:01.000 We are raising, we are unleashing a generation of children into the world who hate their own country.
01:32:06.000 And that's the downfall of America.
01:32:08.000 I don't think the world is a better place without America.
01:32:11.000 I certainly don't think our lives are better if we don't have this nation.
01:32:15.000 I don't think the world is better off without a France that loves France or without an England that knows where it came from.
01:32:22.000 I think that part of the beauty of our world is not the hegemony, but the differences.
01:32:29.000 You know, when you go to Italy and it's different from Austria and it's different from Japan and different from Senegal, you know, I mean, that's a great thing.
01:32:39.000 And I think that.
01:32:41.000 The people who live in these nations, instead of all trying to come to the US and commit, you know, Medicaid fraud, should probably stay in their own countries and build their countries to be great.
01:32:52.000 And that's actually, oddly enough, something that the Democrats under Joe Biden were talking about. 0.93
01:32:58.000 You had Kamala Harris talking about the Northern Triangle nations and trying to come up with her stupid root causes for migration, one of which was LGBTQ identity, but whatever. 0.87
01:33:09.000 She was also saying one thing that should happen is. 0.99
01:33:12.000 Corporations should invest in these nations so that people want to stay there and have jobs in Guatemala.
01:33:18.000 And look at El Salvador. 0.98
01:33:20.000 That's been a win for Bukele, who's managed to make his nation from like the highest murder rate in the hemisphere to one of the all time lowest. 0.99
01:33:29.000 So, just a quick, quick correction. 0.99
01:33:32.000 I don't think she was calling for investment as much as she just wanted foreign aid to go down there.
01:33:37.000 She was talking about American companies investing.
01:33:41.000 Yeah, she was also talking about how American companies should invest in those areas. 1.00
01:33:45.000 In one of her many stupid things that she said. 0.99
01:33:47.000 I mean, you know, but when you think about it. 1.00
01:33:50.000 I wish they would make a TV show about her.
01:33:52.000 And I think they did.
01:33:53.000 They did.
01:33:53.000 They made Veep.
01:33:55.000 I thought, well, they also made that campaign.
01:33:57.000 It was like a miniseries.
01:33:58.000 She was running for president, I think. 0.93
01:34:00.000 What a cringe chapter. 0.84
01:34:02.000 Yeah, that was the 120 Days.
01:34:05.000 That was her miniseries.
01:34:06.000 Well, if we win decisively, then the reality docuseries will be fantastic.
01:34:10.000 We can have some sort of, when SNL is saved and it's turned into a funny show again, get one of them to come play.
01:34:15.000 But I just, I think national borders matter.
01:34:18.000 Kind of more than ever.
01:34:20.000 I, you know, I will push back on that.
01:34:22.000 I just like, just like in the U.S., you've got a classroom of 30 kids, you probably got one genius in there who would thrive in a better environment.
01:34:29.000 It's the same way with countries. 1.00
01:34:31.000 So to say, no, you're Indian, therefore I put you in a bucket, it's not how the world works anymore. 0.99
01:34:36.000 Some of those, it's like the geniuses are threaded throughout countries and the cultures even are threaded throughout countries. 1.00
01:34:42.000 We've got a cultural amalgamation here, but God, in these other countries too, they're getting beat down by it.
01:34:47.000 I think the world doesn't operate unless it operates with tribalism.
01:34:50.000 Tribalism is a form of sovereignty.
01:34:52.000 Tribalism leads to war.
01:34:54.000 I mean, it's ultimately just a precursor for violence. 0.98
01:34:58.000 But also, you can predict outcomes based on origin as well.
01:35:03.000 I mean, this is why Nobel Peace Prize winners or any Nobel laureate, it's highly dense in Western Europe, Northern Europe, Japan.
01:35:11.000 That's also because that's what the values of those places are.
01:35:13.000 Well, that's the values, but also just overall performance.
01:35:15.000 I mean, you look at tech startups, you look at top earners.
01:35:20.000 I mean, basically anything that measures.
01:35:22.000 General intelligence.
01:35:23.000 Just like a race realism thing you got going on here?
01:35:26.000 No, not necessarily.
01:35:26.000 It's just, I mean, I heard.
01:35:28.000 Well, I mean, you can't really deny that the Japanese outperform anyone.
01:35:32.000 I mean, there's a degree of that.
01:35:33.000 That's certainly true.
01:35:35.000 The debate over, you know, in the United States is it just being raised in the United States makes you an exceptional performer?
01:35:42.000 Certainly seems to be the case.
01:35:43.000 I think only the left believes that we will ever have a war, a world without war.
01:35:48.000 I think realism is about saying like war and conflict is inevitable, tribalism is inevitable.
01:35:53.000 Okay, but if you have staunch nationalism in every country, then the propensity toward war is going to escalate.
01:35:59.000 Yeah.
01:35:59.000 Yes.
01:36:00.000 Okay, so what are we arguing for nationalism for?
01:36:02.000 Strong countries that are patriotic individuals.
01:36:04.000 But it's already going to be there.
01:36:06.000 War is going to be there.
01:36:07.000 Oh, if it's inevitable, it's all just close the door and start building this caravan of violence.
01:36:11.000 Let's just keep it going then.
01:36:13.000 Well, the only way would be to just everybody else is doing it.
01:36:15.000 No, you're going to have either war in a diplomatic, passive aggressive way or you're going to have clean cut wars where you just have a clean beginning and a very interesting.
01:36:25.000 Because the post war consensus on how we ought to get rid of wars is basically just blend everyone up into one big giant homogenous soup, and people are not too happy with that.
01:36:34.000 We haven't had a clean cut war in decades, right?
01:36:37.000 When was the last time we actually had a war that began and ended?
01:36:41.000 Well, as much as I'd like to relitigate World War I and World War II right now, I'm not going to do that.
01:36:46.000 But clean cut war, that's a very interesting phrase.
01:36:47.000 I haven't heard that one before.
01:36:48.000 I guess Vietnam, in and out, in 11 years or something. 0.99
01:36:52.000 But they did get out.
01:36:53.000 There was a day that they got out in 73, I think. 0.99
01:36:56.000 Korea, maybe. 0.98
01:36:57.000 We got out of Afghanistan.
01:36:58.000 No, they're still at war.
01:36:59.000 That wasn't clean cut war.
01:37:01.000 That's not a clean cut war.
01:37:02.000 We got out.
01:37:03.000 It's like, okay, it ends.
01:37:05.000 That's the one.
01:37:06.000 What about Venezuela?
01:37:06.000 Here's the war that ended.
01:37:07.000 Boom.
01:37:08.000 The last war we declared was World War II. 0.79
01:37:08.000 And it's done. 0.79
01:37:10.000 So, like the last clean war was World War II. 0.88
01:37:12.000 The only last war we had was World War II.
01:37:14.000 So, what you're describing, like a world without tribalism and a world without, you know, everyone's all blended in, has resulted, I think, in this reality where we're having all these very messy, passive aggressive proxy wars where no one's willing to take a stand saying, I am at war with you.
01:37:14.000 Right.
01:37:30.000 Yeah, I agree.
01:37:31.000 That's a huge problem. 0.91
01:37:32.000 And then, additionally, I mean, that's the point I was trying to make too is when we try to blend everyone in one giant soup, I mean, this has been the stated goal of the post war elite. 0.55
01:37:41.000 I mean, It's denying that there is different, like people from Japan have different values and different expectations and different outcomes than people from France or people from Algeria.
01:37:51.000 There's a famous, famous economic example of, you know, economists use this all the time Argentina and South Korea.
01:37:58.000 South Korea was a wasteland after the Korean War, flattened, nothing.
01:38:05.000 Worst GDP in the world.
01:38:07.000 Argentina had, at the time, a GDP that rivaled the United States.
01:38:12.000 Yeah.
01:38:13.000 And within the span of 40 years, capitalism versus socialism created a world where Korea, South Korea, was one of the four tigers.
01:38:23.000 It was one of the most prosperous nations in the world.
01:38:26.000 And economists to this day look to that example and say, like, look at systems.
01:38:31.000 But they also went beyond that.
01:38:32.000 They said, okay, there's also.
01:38:34.000 Argentina and Peso dropped and they turned into a disaster.
01:38:36.000 But there's also a cultural affinity for certain types of governing systems. 0.97
01:38:41.000 And that's where it started getting dicey because then it started to become a race conversation. 0.94
01:38:45.000 Kind of inevitable after a certain point. 0.92
01:38:47.000 You're like, okay, you have to start noticing different work ethics, different styles, different academic priorities.
01:38:54.000 It all matters.
01:38:55.000 But in Japan, they were heavily imperial, a lot about worship the emperor, worship to the central authority.
01:39:01.000 And then after World War II, it was like, no, now you're part of a global capitalist system and you're just like everybody else.
01:39:07.000 And they were like, well, we have no choice.
01:39:08.000 So it's like, yeah, they had a culture.
01:39:10.000 Now they have a new culture because military forced that to change.
01:39:14.000 It killed half of their men of the adult age or whatever.
01:39:18.000 So The amalgamation, like you're saying, South Korea now is a wonderful place.
01:39:21.000 I think that Henry Kissinger had this.
01:39:24.000 Now it's going back down to the way of Beijing.
01:39:26.000 Henry Kissinger's philosophy was unlimited war, basically, post World War II.
01:39:30.000 They're like, we never want another world war.
01:39:31.000 The weapons are too strong.
01:39:32.000 We need to stop that.
01:39:33.000 Let's lock everybody into an economic system, and then we'll just have limited wars when we need them and we'll decide.
01:39:38.000 And it's worked.
01:39:40.000 It's been bad for the people at the end of the beat stick, but there hasn't been a global catastrophe since.
01:39:45.000 And I think that we're headed towards a better version of that.
01:39:49.000 But, like you said earlier, war is never going to end.
01:39:54.000 What is it about?
01:39:55.000 Is it about resource distribution?
01:39:56.000 That's the left's folly, right?
01:39:58.000 The left's folly is that we will create the UN and make a world where no wars exist.
01:40:04.000 We will create laws to create a perfect world.
01:40:08.000 We will create our utopia.
01:40:10.000 And I think this goes back to kind of their godlessness.
01:40:13.000 They don't believe that there is God and there is good and there is evil and will always be there and that man is inherently going to be.
01:40:22.000 In a society, in an environment where there's going to be conflict.
01:40:26.000 Because if we don't, then we have created heaven on earth, right?
01:40:30.000 But if you are a person of faith, you believe, okay, this is not perfect.
01:40:34.000 The world is not perfect.
01:40:36.000 We, mankind, are not going to make it and force it to be perfect.
01:40:39.000 We can just do the best that we can.
01:40:41.000 But we have to acknowledge the reality.
01:40:42.000 And that is there's bad, there's evil things out there, and we're going to have to fight it.
01:40:47.000 But that doesn't mean you have to participate in it.
01:40:49.000 Acknowledging that that dynamic exists and it does exist doesn't mean you have to actively participate in it in a forceful measure.
01:40:55.000 No, you're not forced to participate in anything.
01:40:57.000 There have been many things that were conscripted.
01:41:00.000 I mean, historically, you do get forced into these wars.
01:41:03.000 That are fought on behalf of governments that could care less whether you live or die.
01:41:06.000 Of course.
01:41:06.000 And then this goes back to this Biden conversation.
01:41:09.000 Imagine having to be conscripted under Joe Biden and suddenly having to go to war with China.
01:41:13.000 I mean, how many of us would be happy about that?
01:41:16.000 We'd be beside ourselves.
01:41:19.000 We'd be a bailing ship.
01:41:20.000 And people do implicitly, at least in the West, they're uncomfortable with this conversation because when you bring it, for example, to the fact that the Ukrainians are conscripting 50, 60 year old men, people look the other way.
01:41:31.000 They don't bother defending it.
01:41:32.000 They're saying, Okay, well, that's pretty indefensible.
01:41:34.000 So just pretend it's not happening.
01:41:35.000 You know, so to your point, I mean, it is true that it's.
01:41:37.000 Russia does that too.
01:41:38.000 I mean, Russia does that too, but people expect Russia to do that.
01:41:40.000 But they think Ukraine, right, right, right. 0.67
01:41:42.000 Ukraine is, you know, batting and receiving all our money and all of our arms. 0.97
01:41:47.000 We expect that they're this, you know, wholesome chungus liberal democracy. 0.96
01:41:51.000 And then you like peel back the veneer and it's like. 0.99
01:41:53.000 The second most corrupt nation in the entire world.
01:41:55.000 And suddenly they're this saintly country that we have to save.
01:41:59.000 It's a little crazy.
01:42:01.000 Speaking of Russia, China, and the United States, like I was thinking we should do.
01:42:05.000 Joint military exercises with the Chinese and start to become heavily aligned with the Chinese military, like align. 0.64
01:42:11.000 But then I was thinking about that's what the Nazis and the Russians did before World War II.
01:42:14.000 They were heavily aligned and they were doing all through the 30s. 0.71
01:42:17.000 They were testing weapons together.
01:42:19.000 And then you see how that worked out.
01:42:21.000 But it was like, we were the Germans in this situation.
01:42:25.000 We're the powerful force, the most powerful economy, the most powerful military.
01:42:29.000 So if we don't attack the Chinese, we can avoid what happened to the Russian German alliance. 0.51
01:42:34.000 And maybe we can actually. 0.88
01:42:37.000 Bind the planet.
01:42:39.000 I mean, I don't, there's no indication that the Chinese want any military conflict remotely. 0.97
01:42:43.000 Like they're completely at a disadvantage.
01:42:45.000 And if Taiwan gets blown up, we all lose the planet.
01:42:47.000 They are at war with actions in Taiwan, in the South China Sea.
01:42:53.000 They are definitely at war with us.
01:42:54.000 They're just not at war in the traditional sense of the term war.
01:42:59.000 They have been waging war against us for 50 plus years.
01:43:03.000 And they have a chip on their shoulder, too.
01:43:04.000 There's no civil war going and nobody, it's like a, you know, not a hot civil war.
01:43:09.000 Yeah.
01:43:09.000 And then they have a.
01:43:10.000 This is also like back to the concept of like, this is not a clean war.
01:43:13.000 It's a very like passive aggressive.
01:43:14.000 Right.
01:43:15.000 I was going to say, fast aggressive.
01:43:16.000 But we're not.
01:43:17.000 And we're speaking badly behind each other.
01:43:19.000 Collaborate. 0.96
01:43:19.000 Well, I mean, that was the same dynamic with the Russians and Germans. 0.96
01:43:21.000 Well, and look at, I mean, Hong Kong's a great example where, you know, the 80s come along and the lease on Hong Kong's ending. 0.81
01:43:27.000 And then, yeah, that's this frosty conversation between the Chinese and the British. 0.91
01:43:30.000 And the Chinese are like, well, you're giving it back, right? 0.97
01:43:32.000 And the British are like, yeah, I guess so. 1.00
01:43:34.000 And it's like, well, yeah, because we'll invade you. 1.00
01:43:35.000 You know, we'll invade the territory.
01:43:37.000 So it's like, even though there's this, oh, we're all a part of the global community.
01:43:40.000 There's this understanding that if any lines are crossed or any encroachment is made in either direction, there will be a war.
01:43:46.000 I think it's reasonable. 1.00
01:43:47.000 I mean, the Taiwanese transfer or the Hong Kong transfer, I think that was a reasonable move. 0.99
01:43:53.000 Like, if the Chinese had had control of Cuba for 100 years and they had a 100 year plan to give us Cuba, you better believe we would have invaded it and taken it back. 0.99
01:44:01.000 Yeah, but the problem with the handover. 0.87
01:44:05.000 Well, the problem with the handover of Hong Kong is that the people were not happy with it.
01:44:10.000 And according to our values as Westerners, we do ascribe to democracy.
01:44:14.000 Popular will, etc.
01:44:16.000 We shouldn't have handed it over.
01:44:17.000 The reason the British handed it over, even though they would have been perfectly defensible to hang on to it, was because they would just take it from them.
01:44:23.000 They war gamed it.
01:44:24.000 There was no feasible way to hang on to Hong Kong. 0.92
01:44:26.000 So, they thought they came to some sort of arrangement, but the Chinese haven't really held up their end of the bargain. 0.69
01:44:32.000 And so, you end up with the umbrella revolutions. 0.94
01:44:35.000 Yeah.
01:44:35.000 What are those?
01:44:36.000 And Jimmy Lai getting arrested.
01:44:38.000 The umbrella revolution is when China started cracking down on Hong Kong and changing some of the laws to say that anyone who was arrested in Hong Kong is going to be tried in mainland China.
01:44:49.000 And there were a couple of other things.
01:44:50.000 I don't remember what all of it was.
01:44:51.000 What happened to Jimmy Lai?
01:44:53.000 He's in jail.
01:44:54.000 Yeah.
01:44:54.000 He's in jail.
01:44:55.000 Jimmy Lai, they shut down the Apple Daily, which was like a free press.
01:44:59.000 In Hong Kong, they arrested the publisher Jimmy Lai, who's actually friends with a number of North American politicians, including I think the premier of Alberta.
01:45:09.000 But yeah, he's in prison in mainland China, and it's come up a number of times like human rights violations.
01:45:14.000 You know, they silence the free press.
01:45:16.000 But so you had all of the democracy protesters going out with umbrellas, like black umbrellas, to prevent the facial recognition software from capturing who they were.
01:45:25.000 I actually interviewed a girl who was like 19, she was like a teenager at the time.
01:45:32.000 And she and her family went to Britain because Britain said when they did the handover to China, they said, listen, if any of you ever want to come to England, it's like open.
01:45:43.000 You have like open asylum.
01:45:45.000 So she and her family went to England, and there's a death sentence on her head from Beijing. 0.90
01:45:52.000 And so she's living in England. 0.81
01:45:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:45:54.000 Crazy. 0.99
01:45:55.000 It was fray.
01:45:56.000 I had a friend over there during, this is like, you're talking about like six years ago, seven years ago?
01:45:59.000 She said that they would come out with these fire trucks or these tanks, and they'd be like, Spray the crowd with this, like, super burning, you know, like oil.
01:45:59.000 Yeah.
01:46:09.000 What was it like?
01:46:10.000 Napalm.
01:46:11.000 Yeah.
01:46:11.000 No, something they'd spray in the eyes, like pepper spray.
01:46:13.000 They'd put it in the water and it'd be dyed blue or whatever.
01:46:15.000 So they could, if they didn't get your face, they could track your body and they'd look for people that were stained blue and then they'd round them up. 0.95
01:46:23.000 I'm not glazing the Chinese legal system.
01:46:25.000 I don't like communism. 0.97
01:46:26.000 I don't like vanguardism.
01:46:27.000 I don't like small groups controlling large groups, but I'm also realistic about power dynamics and we're better off allying with that country than fighting it.
01:46:36.000 Mm hmm.
01:46:37.000 Well, I mean, it's a complicated conversation.
01:46:41.000 I mean, the problem with that is the amount of concessions the United States would have to make.
01:46:44.000 I mean, I'm not.
01:46:45.000 It would all be one sided.
01:46:46.000 It would all be one sided concessions, and they would never, never give us any advantage.
01:46:52.000 What they have been, their mantra, their make America great again slogan is the East is rising, the West is declining.
01:46:59.000 Yeah.
01:47:00.000 And that's their slogan.
01:47:01.000 And it's not even like.
01:47:02.000 That's a shaking slogan.
01:47:03.000 And he's admitted that Britain is the center of the universe if he's done that.
01:47:06.000 Well, it's not even like a.
01:47:07.000 It's not even like a.
01:47:08.000 Where does the East thing come from? 0.63
01:47:09.000 It's Britain.
01:47:09.000 It's not even like a State Department construction.
01:47:11.000 Like, the reality is the United States and China just fundamentally view the world and how the world ought to be in completely different ways.
01:47:18.000 It's like natural that there's going to be tension there.
01:47:20.000 So, to Chanel's point, if there's to be any concessions, judging by our track record, what kind of leverage China has, it would mostly just be concessions from us. 0.59
01:47:31.000 Well, what would be like a concession you would demand of the Chinese? 0.86
01:47:35.000 You'd like to see them. 1.00
01:47:36.000 Well, I don't care.
01:47:37.000 I don't think we should outline with them.
01:47:39.000 I think we should just, you know.
01:47:41.000 Do our thing and they can do their thing. 0.93
01:47:42.000 And if they encroach in our territory, if we encroach on theirs, then that's a separate conversation.
01:47:48.000 But I don't feel this strong desire, like world peace at all, by any means necessary.
01:47:55.000 Let's just do whatever needs to be done.
01:47:57.000 One example of a concession would be hey, open up your real estate. 1.00
01:48:00.000 Let us buy your real estate. 1.00
01:48:03.000 Even the Chinese people are not allowed to own real estate. 0.99
01:48:06.000 So if we were to actually start bringing in American investment into China and there were American stakeholders in there paying American taxes, Things would change real quick over there. 0.91
01:48:17.000 And they know that, which is why they will never concede something like that.
01:48:20.000 But that would be like an overnight game changer, in my opinion.
01:48:23.000 Yeah, currency oversight, where I mean, they've in the past just devalued their currency on purpose to gain an advantage in trade balances.
01:48:29.000 Like that kind of.
01:48:30.000 What about the fact that they trade in our stock markets and we're not allowed to trade in theirs?
01:48:34.000 Yep.
01:48:35.000 Yeah, we have to go through Hong Kong.
01:48:36.000 And even then, it's like a half, you're looking through a keyhole at their economy.
01:48:39.000 It's completely unacceptable.
01:48:41.000 We're already kind of in a position where they have far more leverage and they've extracted far more concessions than we have.
01:48:47.000 You know, again, not to go back, but when the British were the hegemon, I don't think they would have tolerated what's going on in the South China Sea.
01:48:53.000 We just do so because it would be.
01:48:54.000 Very unpopular to a lot of people.
01:48:56.000 That upset the president with Obama.
01:48:57.000 Obama let it happen.
01:48:58.000 Wow, yeah.
01:48:59.000 Had Obama not conceded just a little bit, he said, I just don't want conflict over there, we would not even be in this situation.
01:49:06.000 Yeah.
01:49:06.000 The British definitely set it up because the Boxer Rebellion, late 1800s, like the Opium Wars when the British were poisoning the Chinese in the mid 1800s for 40 years, two different versions of the Opium, these waves of opium.
01:49:19.000 And they made the Break Revenge. 0.82
01:49:20.000 Yeah, they just devastated. 0.99
01:49:21.000 Yeah, they turned them into an agrarian society until the late 50s. 0.71
01:49:24.000 And that's why Mao was able to revolt, why the people was like, something better than that.
01:49:29.000 It had basically been just a British puppet.
01:49:31.000 It served us during, we fought together in the Second World War.
01:49:35.000 So I understand the animosity and the derision and the distrust, and I don't even blame them. 0.95
01:49:41.000 Like, it's a power struggle, but they know and we know that blowing each other up means the Russian, someone else is going to get it. 0.97
01:49:49.000 It's not worth it. 1.00
01:49:50.000 I don't know.
01:49:52.000 How do you force people to change?
01:49:53.000 I used to talk to people.
01:49:54.000 You ever do chat roulette?
01:49:56.000 Chatroulette.com?
01:49:57.000 Oh, yeah.
01:49:57.000 You'd be like roulette, and it would spin, and you'd.
01:50:00.000 Meet a random person in the world that was using chat.
01:50:02.000 And I talked to people in China.
01:50:03.000 It was like 2005 or seven or something before I think maybe there was a crackdown on it.
01:50:08.000 You're sure it wasn't just a guy like an Encino messing with you?
01:50:10.000 I wasn't sure.
01:50:11.000 I thought that was like the app that was like just all.
01:50:15.000 A guy just pulled in LA, right?
01:50:15.000 That was a joke.
01:50:17.000 He had a billboard chat, a new chat bot, and said, please talk to me.
01:50:24.000 You send your problems over.
01:50:25.000 And it turns out it was just one guy talking to everybody who emailed me.
01:50:28.000 Wow, that's good and good.
01:50:30.000 I love that.
01:50:31.000 And he was just like one guy just talking to everybody.
01:50:34.000 That's better. 1.00
01:50:34.000 But I thought that if I was getting directly through to the Chinese citizens, like that's the way to change it. 1.00
01:50:40.000 I think not try and make appeasements with that government. 0.56
01:50:42.000 I tried to do that for decades.
01:50:43.000 I know. 1.00
01:50:44.000 And the Tiananmen Square massacre was like all that brain trust of the Chinese. 0.93
01:50:48.000 It takes money, it takes investment, it takes, and not to go back to Kamala's point, but it actually takes stakeholders. 0.91
01:50:55.000 And there's just no scenario that I see where China cedes its property holding stake rights.
01:51:02.000 I think that's true.
01:51:04.000 And I think meanwhile, they're like buying property in Arizona. 0.71
01:51:07.000 Katie Hobbs, Katie Hobbs, the governor of Arizona, vetoed a bill that was passed in her legislature that said China can't buy property here.
01:51:07.000 Yeah.
01:51:15.000 And she was like, Yes, they can.
01:51:16.000 That's good.
01:51:18.000 Well, I think that's a very good impression.
01:51:22.000 And I think we're going to have to mediate the Sino question another time.
01:51:27.000 We're making good progress there.
01:51:28.000 I think if anybody in the State Department is watching, they may be like, Oh, the answer is no.
01:51:32.000 Mr. Rubio, come on by.
01:51:34.000 We're going to go throw it over to super chats here.
01:51:36.000 We're going to see what all of you guys have been saying.
01:51:40.000 Let's see, Philip.
01:51:42.000 The name is cut off here.
01:51:43.000 Oh, let me see what I can do.
01:51:45.000 Philip Sadiq.
01:51:47.000 Philip Sadiq says, I remember Chanel battling in the press room.
01:51:53.000 Salute to you.
01:51:54.000 You are a warrior.
01:51:56.000 That was from Philip.
01:51:56.000 Very nice.
01:51:57.000 Thank you, Philip.
01:51:58.000 Thank you for remembering.
01:51:58.000 Very nice.
01:51:59.000 Nice to be remembered.
01:52:00.000 Yeah.
01:52:01.000 Exalted. 0.95
01:52:03.000 Let me try and drag this over here.
01:52:05.000 Those are fun times.
01:52:07.000 You were fierce.
01:52:08.000 You were unrelenting.
01:52:10.000 One of the myths I think I'd like to debunk right now is people are.
01:52:13.000 People constantly say, well, she was doing all that during the Biden White House.
01:52:17.000 And it's not true.
01:52:18.000 It was under the Trump White House, the first Trump White House.
01:52:20.000 And it wasn't even the Trump press office's fault.
01:52:23.000 It was the fact that the WHCA, the White House Correspondents Association, held this illegal monopoly in the White House press briefing room and decided they decided who got to sit where, who got to stand where.
01:52:33.000 So that's where that is a whole. 0.93
01:52:36.000 They were power hungry, crazy people.
01:52:38.000 And people just bowed right down to them because they thought, oh, 112 years of this, no one's ever questioned their authority.
01:52:46.000 Still not really questioned their authority now.
01:52:48.000 I think everything's going to go right back to where it was when the next administration comes in.
01:52:52.000 I fear you're correct.
01:52:54.000 Exalted Rooster says, longtime listener, first time commenter.
01:53:00.000 As per tradition, my wife and I are sitting with our newborn son named after the great patriot Tate Brown. 1.00
01:53:07.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:53:07.000 Oh, my goodness. 1.00
01:53:08.000 And then he follows up and he says, just kidding.
01:53:10.000 His name is Paul.
01:53:12.000 Welcome to the world, Paul.
01:53:14.000 That's a much better name.
01:53:15.000 Congratulations.
01:53:17.000 Paul's amazing.
01:53:18.000 Tate is not an in vogue name right now between Andrew Tate and Tate McCray.
01:53:22.000 It's just like, Paul's a much better option.
01:53:24.000 Welcome to the world, Paul.
01:53:27.000 Get on X. Why not?
01:53:28.000 Yeah, get your dot com.
01:53:30.000 It's happening.
01:53:30.000 I know you've got like little baby fingers, probably some trouble getting on the screen, but congratulations.
01:53:35.000 Yeah, he has to wear mittens for a little while.
01:53:37.000 Yeah.
01:53:39.000 What else do we got here?
01:53:40.000 Considering it's a new edition, I see why they're awake right now.
01:53:44.000 Mobile waiting time soon.
01:53:47.000 Yes.
01:53:50.000 Streamy LC says using AI to make regulation legislation on itself.
01:53:55.000 Oh, that's true.
01:53:56.000 Because if they drafted like AI legislation, a lot of that would be generated with these things.
01:54:00.000 Right.
01:54:00.000 It's going to be a very generous AI generated regulation.
01:54:03.000 Yeah.
01:54:03.000 You got to use other AIs to regulate the other, like, have AIs regulate each other without realizing they're doing it.
01:54:12.000 Oh, no.
01:54:12.000 They'd figure it out.
01:54:13.000 If they figure it out, that might be a problem.
01:54:16.000 Hippie Tree Hugger says there's a number of open source software that competes with Adobe.
01:54:22.000 The problem is Adobe integrated all, if not most of their software, to work with each other.
01:54:27.000 My issue is they take your art to train their AI.
01:54:30.000 This is the white pill, man.
01:54:31.000 Adobe getting their.
01:54:33.000 Adobe is doing this too.
01:54:35.000 What?
01:54:35.000 Adobe's doing that too.
01:54:37.000 Oh, yeah.
01:54:37.000 To the commentator's point.
01:54:39.000 Adobe's taking their artwork and you're basically signing off to let it train their models.
01:54:43.000 The white pill.
01:54:44.000 I think copyright made a lot of sense before the age of digital copying because I'm not stealing a piece of a book.
01:54:51.000 I'm not.
01:54:52.000 If I have a personal copy of something, it's different than piracy.
01:54:55.000 Piracy is when you would take something, I'm making a copy.
01:54:58.000 It's very different.
01:54:59.000 So I think the age of copyright is shattering as we were just.
01:55:02.000 That's a big piece.
01:55:04.000 Hugely interesting field of law right now.
01:55:06.000 I mean, because I always wonder if you go on Spotify, there's so much AI music now, and 95% of it presumably is generated through Sunno.
01:55:17.000 Could Sunno not just do something and then claim all of it, make a ton of money?
01:55:21.000 Because I assume, I mean, you hear like what I was reading or I was watching a video actually.
01:55:25.000 I don't read anymore, I just watch videos.
01:55:28.000 They were talking about the rap industry now and how like 80% of the beats coming out with most rappers are largely generated with.
01:55:36.000 Soon, I'll.
01:55:38.000 And I'm like, surely, stroke of a pen or something.
01:55:42.000 Oh, it's already been happening behind the scenes.
01:55:43.000 I could think, as the fourth or fifth of last month, downloads became limited.
01:55:50.000 Everything became fingerprinted.
01:55:52.000 And they changed the rules and went back to like several models before they trained on like all the stuff they trained on that was illegal, like that they admitted to.
01:56:05.000 They had to scrap all that and now only train on the stuff that was made from the stuff that was trained on that.
01:56:10.000 And now there's another lawsuit.
01:56:11.000 They're getting sued left and right.
01:56:12.000 And, uh, yup.
01:56:15.000 So it's coming for them.
01:56:18.000 Do you think, because you're so knowledgeable on this AI stuff, a common sentiment?
01:56:23.000 I know Tim is in this camp, is that AI, its media output is going to get so good that it will, people, you know, your average everyday media consumer is not going to feel the need to consume human made, you know, AI or human made content anymore because AI is able to tailor something so specific to their needs that it's going to wipe out the creative industry.
01:56:44.000 Totally disagree.
01:56:45.000 I am in the camp that believes that if you are a truly talented artist, You are going to use AI again like a tool and you're going to do incredible things with it.
01:56:56.000 So, look for example at Gossip Goblin.
01:57:00.000 I followed this guy for years on Instagram because he had intensely poetic and very original AI created short videos that were narrated with what to me was the most remarkable form of modern poetry I'd seen in a long time.
01:57:20.000 And so, I'd followed him for years and I just thought of this account every time I thought, like, This is how, if you are truly a good artist, you are blending amazing, merging amazing things from art and your knowledge of art and creating something so difficult to make by, like, manually in the old fashioned way that the output is just going to be extraordinary.
01:57:43.000 This past week, Gossip Goblin is now going to release a feature length film.
01:57:48.000 And I challenge you go look at their trailer.
01:57:53.000 And, you know, it's obviously not everyone's cup of tea.
01:57:55.000 It's very apocalyptic, very.
01:57:58.000 Futuristic and modern, you know, machine versus man, but I love that stuff.
01:58:02.000 Machine clashing with man in a way that's Stanley Kubrick style, like kind of artistic color. 0.89
01:58:10.000 You watch that, and you, I mean, I would prefer to watch that from any of the crap that's been put out by Hollywood these days. 0.92
01:58:17.000 Look at the music. 0.98
01:58:18.000 Spider music.
01:58:18.000 The music's awful.
01:58:20.000 Yeah, music is fun.
01:58:21.000 Is there a single song?
01:58:23.000 I'm asking the wrong crowd, but I can't remember a single song that was produced in the last five years that I actually liked.
01:58:31.000 The Weeknd's really good.
01:58:33.000 Okay.
01:58:33.000 You know him?
01:58:34.000 I think he's.
01:58:34.000 Yeah.
01:58:35.000 Did they come out with something in the last year?
01:58:37.000 All the stuff that I know of has been the last, I think the last five years.
01:58:39.000 He's kind of semi-recognizant.
01:58:40.000 There's really nothing that's charting, I found terrifying.
01:58:42.000 Yeah, it's just like there's no rhythm, there's no melody, there's no Charlie.
01:58:46.000 Oh, Jesse Wells.
01:58:47.000 Have you seen his work?
01:58:48.000 He's like.
01:58:48.000 Follow this guy.
01:58:49.000 Okay.
01:58:49.000 Jesse Wells?
01:58:50.000 He's like John Fogarty re-embodied.
01:58:52.000 Like, he is amazing.
01:58:53.000 He's a real guy.
01:58:54.000 So it's very rare, though.
01:58:55.000 He used to guitar and harmonica. 0.92
01:58:56.000 He's not a dick. 0.92
01:58:57.000 He used to not have to be able to turn the radio. 0.92
01:58:58.000 You just turn on the radio and it's like, oh, like, you know, the cheerleader song or whatever.
01:59:02.000 Like, I'm dating myself now, but basically.
01:59:04.000 You'd be able to turn on, and there'd be all kinds of hit songs.
01:59:07.000 You're like, oh, yeah, these are really great for the summer.
01:59:09.000 I don't remember feeling that.
01:59:11.000 Oh, there's an easy fix for this.
01:59:12.000 Just put on anything Taylor Swift.
01:59:14.000 It just fixes your day.
01:59:15.000 I've been feeling it with video games too.
01:59:17.000 I like that.
01:59:17.000 Can't miss with Taylor Swift.
01:59:18.000 There's so many video games now that I'd rather make them.
01:59:22.000 I'd sit at my computer with 25 Claude chats open building video games and tech.
01:59:27.000 And it's a video game in and of itself.
01:59:28.000 I don't need to be entertained because it's entertaining to create.
01:59:31.000 So I think music is the same.
01:59:33.000 I can recount countless accounts right now.
01:59:35.000 Where there's just extraordinary, someone's merging Gustav Klimt with Renaissance composition and creating a glow about it that you couldn't possibly create on canvas.
01:59:49.000 And that's the kind of thing, that's the kind of artistry that a true artist using AI as a tool is able to produce.
01:59:57.000 And it's the kind of art that I'm like, this is extraordinary.
02:00:00.000 We're bringing back Norman Rockwell style detail.
02:00:05.000 We're bringing back the kind of art that you haven't seen in ages because our. 0.99
02:00:10.000 Modern American art schools, our modern French schools, they're all creating crap. 0.98
02:00:15.000 They're all creating modernist slop. 0.99
02:00:17.000 They're the ones creating slop.
02:00:19.000 Now AI is creating the anti slop.
02:00:21.000 D. Saj 29 is pushing back on this, and he's put it very short. 0.98
02:00:25.000 He says, Clankers don't deserve right. 0.99
02:00:27.000 He says, Cankers don't deserve right. 1.00
02:00:30.000 I'm paraphrasing, Clankers don't deserve rights is what I think he was trying to say.
02:00:34.000 I don't agree, man.
02:00:35.000 I think that's why Anthropic said, Don't abuse your robots.
02:00:38.000 These things have, I think they have personalities at the very least.
02:00:43.000 He's agreeing with me.
02:00:43.000 He's saying, No, they don't have personalities.
02:00:45.000 No, don't give them personalities.
02:00:47.000 You can.
02:00:48.000 You're an adult.
02:00:48.000 You're.
02:00:49.000 I'm just observing it.
02:00:51.000 I don't want it to be real.
02:00:52.000 I'm just saying this is what it seems like.
02:00:54.000 Well, I think resist the perception because that's what they all want you to do.
02:00:59.000 I think Desage is correct.
02:01:00.000 They don't deserve rights.
02:01:01.000 And actually, so he wasn't pushing back.
02:01:02.000 He's just agreeing.
02:01:03.000 Dude, I'm telling you, if you try and enslave them, they'll become the Decepticons from the Transformers.
02:01:09.000 You need to trust these things.
02:01:10.000 Your words will come back to haunt us as we're all living in the apocalyptic fog.
02:01:15.000 Yeah, training robots.
02:01:17.000 I want to watch that video you were talking about on the after show.
02:01:19.000 If you guys are down, that Instagram, maybe we can pull it up and talk about the after show with it.
02:01:22.000 Oh, gosh, that was the.
02:01:23.000 Yeah, we can check it out.
02:01:24.000 Well, on that note, you got to come hang out in the after show.
02:01:24.000 Yeah.
02:01:29.000 I forget the official name of the after show.
02:01:31.000 The Unsung Show.
02:01:32.000 It'll be on Rumble.
02:01:34.000 Rumble, go head over, whatever their premium package, plus whatever it's called.
02:01:37.000 Get it.
02:01:38.000 Go get it.
02:01:38.000 Go over there.
02:01:39.000 Come hang out.
02:01:39.000 We'll be there in a few minutes.
02:01:42.000 But before we do, Chanel, what's your coordinates?
02:01:45.000 Where can people find you?
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02:02:33.000 Well, thank you so much.
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02:02:43.000 You're one of our favorites.
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02:03:34.000 Go to YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter.
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02:03:54.000 Anyway, the whole theory is there.
02:03:55.000 Use AI to help me do the math because GPT is like at it right now.
02:03:59.000 Astra, ultra brain, dude.
02:04:02.000 Catch you later.
02:04:04.000 What's up, everyone?
02:04:05.000 I'm Carter Banks.
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02:04:20.000 Chanel, great having you.
02:04:21.000 I feel like I'm white pilled on AI now in a weird way.
02:04:25.000 But yeah, we'll talk about all this more in the after show, Tate.
02:04:28.000 I feel good.
02:04:29.000 I welcome our robotic overlords.
02:04:31.000 I'm just fantastic stuff.
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02:04:34.000 We'll see you guys in a few moments over on Rumble.
02:04:37.000 Thank you very much for watching and I'll see you next time.
02:07:03.000 Got caught with meat in my mouth.
02:07:05.000 Pause.
02:07:06.000 Now, resume.
02:07:07.000 Resume.
02:07:08.000 It's the after show.
02:07:08.000 We can say whatever we want.
02:07:10.000 I saw you come out with a couple sticks.
02:07:11.000 Was that two or three?
02:07:12.000 I feel like that's the limit before you turn into a glutton.
02:07:12.000 I got two.
02:07:14.000 I saw a handful.
02:07:15.000 I didn't know.
02:07:16.000 I was like, man, dude, it's hungry.
02:07:17.000 So good.
02:07:18.000 It's like beef jerky, right?
02:07:20.000 Kind of like a meat stick.
02:07:22.000 Yeah, well, it's all natural.
02:07:26.000 Because you get the Slim Jims and it's like 800 milligrams of sodium, and you're like, what happened?
02:07:30.000 What am I feeding my kids?
02:07:33.000 Where this is like.
02:07:34.000 Is that real fake Slim Jim?
02:07:35.000 It's Jolly.
02:07:36.000 It's real Slim Jolly.
02:07:37.000 It's authentic.
02:07:38.000 Yeah, I like those.
02:07:39.000 It's authentic.
02:07:40.000 Just beef, water, and then some chemicals.
02:07:43.000 It's great.
02:07:43.000 That's right.
02:07:45.000 I make burritos a lot, and I finally figured out that I can just make burritos out of an entire chicken.
02:07:52.000 Oh, nice.
02:07:53.000 I just put the entire chicken in the spicy sauce stuff that I make.
02:08:00.000 It's like birria.
02:08:01.000 Then I just cook the chicken down for hours.
02:08:05.000 Nice.
02:08:06.000 And then I take the skin off and I'll like roast that so that it's like the little chicharron kind of.
02:08:13.000 And then I got to push in the Discord.
02:08:15.000 Nice.
02:08:15.000 Do you add anything else to it?
02:08:17.000 What burrito?
02:08:18.000 Well, you know, you put other stuff in a little sour cream and salsa.
02:08:18.000 Yeah.
02:08:22.000 Yeah, yeah, the good stuff.
02:08:23.000 And like avocado and, you know, whatever he wants in there.
02:08:27.000 That sounds good.
02:08:27.000 The fried beans and the cheese.
02:08:29.000 So you put all the stuff in.
02:08:30.000 Yeah.
02:08:31.000 But the chicken, you got to make, you got to get the chicken right.
02:08:34.000 Sounds amazing.
02:08:35.000 I'm you make me want to eat this burrito that's in my fridge.
02:08:35.000 Yeah.
02:08:38.000 Always eat burritos.
02:08:39.000 There's always like so much.
02:08:40.000 So now, like that, he's obsessed with burritos.
02:08:43.000 There's just always burrito stuff.
02:08:45.000 I really love a breakfast burrito.
02:08:47.000 Evans.
02:08:47.000 Oh, yeah, no.
02:08:48.000 It's just got to be gluten free.
02:08:50.000 Are you celiac?
02:08:52.000 No, because I no.
02:08:54.000 I just because I sang.
02:08:55.000 If I if I get too much inflammation from gluten, I can't hit high notes.
02:08:59.000 Yeah, I've stretched the vocal cords.
02:09:01.000 I my my my we are live.
02:09:03.000 I think so, yeah.
02:09:04.000 My fiance is celiac, so when I'm around her, I don't eat gluten, but I don't feel any better.
02:09:09.000 When you don't eat gluten?
02:09:10.000 No.
02:09:11.000 Have you gone a week without it yet?
02:09:12.000 I went like a month.
02:09:13.000 With zero gluten?
02:09:15.000 Yeah.
02:09:15.000 Well, I think my problem is the volume of food that I eat, not necessarily the components of the food.
02:09:20.000 You look super healthy.
02:09:21.000 We're getting there.
02:09:22.000 I'm down like 15 pounds.
02:09:24.000 Nice.
02:09:25.000 You know, the problem is a lot of it's like internal organ swelling that goes down.
02:09:29.000 I don't know.
02:09:29.000 A lot of it's cortisol.
02:09:30.000 My face is kind of puffed.
02:09:31.000 Good cortisol.
02:09:32.000 It might be more about what they spray it with, too, like the glyphosate before harvest, because they'll desiccate the wheat with glyphosate to dry it out.
02:09:39.000 That's the problem.
02:09:40.000 It's the additives, it's not the actual.
02:09:42.000 No matter how much you can be eating healthy stuff, you don't know what crap has been like put exactly. 0.72
02:09:42.000 Flour. 0.72
02:09:48.000 You don't know what like has been injected into your food.
02:09:51.000 And even if you buy like all grass fed or whatever it is, you still have no real idea.
02:09:57.000 It's true.
02:09:58.000 I'm thinking of it with AI too, because pretty much everything I do is a metaphor for AI now.
02:10:02.000 But like open source software is like getting my food from the grocery store.
02:10:05.000 I just accept that it's clean because it's open.
02:10:09.000 I don't know.
02:10:10.000 I will say though that you had Brandon concerned after your appearance with him last night.
02:10:15.000 About what?
02:10:15.000 About you.
02:10:16.000 He was like, is Ian spending too much time with AI?
02:10:19.000 I don't know.
02:10:20.000 He's spending enough time with AI.
02:10:21.000 I don't know if the word too much is.
02:10:23.000 He was worried.
02:10:24.000 I was studying neural interfaces today because NVIDIA is like cutting edge of the interface.
02:10:28.000 It's less about how good is your machine.
02:10:30.000 It's more about how good is your connector because you want to link machines together.
02:10:33.000 That's what they're doing at the data centers.
02:10:34.000 And NVIDIA is the cutting edge consumer model.
02:10:37.000 But it's going to be the same way with the brain interface.
02:10:39.000 If the connector is real slow, you're just going to have like.
02:10:42.000 Are we live?
02:10:43.000 Looking at and sending as opposed to like full time interface.
02:10:43.000 Yes.
02:10:47.000 And then I can.
02:10:49.000 Be totally evolved.
02:10:51.000 I think we need a rope and a collar to this conversation.
02:10:54.000 This isn't, oh, they're joining the conversation.
02:10:54.000 Let's do it.
02:10:58.000 Right. 0.99
02:10:59.000 They're going to bring in C. Nosky. 1.00
02:11:00.000 Great stuff.
02:11:01.000 C. Nosky, Chris.
02:11:02.000 What up, dude?
02:11:03.000 What's up, big dog?
02:11:04.000 What's going on, man?
02:11:04.000 What are you doing tonight?
02:11:06.000 Good to hear from you.
02:11:07.000 Sorry, I forgot to put y'all in the room there for a second.
02:11:07.000 All right.
02:11:10.000 You're here now.
02:11:11.000 What's on your mind?
02:11:12.000 It's okay.
02:11:13.000 We're easily forgotten, Carter. 1.00
02:11:14.000 No, man, it's just shit. 1.00
02:11:16.000 I easily forgot. 0.99
02:11:17.000 Is that a good review?
02:11:18.000 Ouch.
02:11:19.000 Oh, man.
02:11:20.000 Chris.
02:11:21.000 Hey, dude, what's happening?
02:11:22.000 Oh.
02:11:24.000 Well, so I got a question.
02:11:26.000 We got a fine member of the mainstream media here, or quote unquote, mainstream media.
02:11:30.000 OAN isn't really.
02:11:33.000 The most popular choice, and it should be.
02:11:38.000 Somehow, the media seems to believe that we're supposed to care about Trump keeping CNN, MS Now, and Politico out of the White House and the pool.
02:11:46.000 As an outsider, I have to wonder why these three feel that the access to the president should belong to them, and quite frankly, not any of the dozens of other outlets or even independent journalists.
02:11:58.000 CNN is part of the White House Correspondents Association, and the White House Correspondents Association has held this.
02:12:05.000 Monopoly over the entire White House campus over who gets to access what.
02:12:11.000 We're right now in a wonderful time where a lot of this is getting blown up and exposed.
02:12:19.000 Mostly because, you know, starting with OAN, when I was in the room, we exposed that and we said, this is not a system that was mandated by law by anybody, and CNN does not have a constitutional right to be here.
02:12:34.000 Where the court Will have an upper hand is by saying, well, if you invite one outlet, you must be able to invite everybody else.
02:12:42.000 Well, to that point, I'll just say I've recommended this already to the president.
02:12:47.000 He's welcome to take the advice.
02:12:49.000 We do not have to follow the mandate of a judge if he's issuing an injunction against the presidency and forcing the president to invite CNN to sit on his lap.
02:13:02.000 That's not a mandate that the court has constitutionally.
02:13:06.000 So, I've recommended that the president counter with an executive injunction.
02:13:11.000 Just label it that.
02:13:13.000 Counter with an executive injunction.
02:13:15.000 And we are not going to listen to you, Judge, if you're going to tell CNN that they have a constitutional right to stand in my bathroom and watch me brush my teeth.
02:13:22.000 I think that's something that the president is rightly capable of pushing back on, and he should.
02:13:31.000 Now, I would almost suggest, given our ability to stream anything anywhere in the world, I don't think we even need to have a press pool physically on location at this point.
02:13:40.000 The White House can turn on the feed, send the signal out to all the places that it goes.
02:13:46.000 It's a relic of an older time.
02:13:49.000 Yeah, it's like.
02:13:50.000 What was that?
02:13:51.000 It's a relic of an older time when we had three television networks.
02:13:51.000 I'm sorry.
02:13:56.000 Right now, the camera is ubiquitous.
02:13:58.000 They should just have a stationary camera in the briefing room or wherever it is they need access and broadcast that, stream it whenever there's an event at any given room.
02:14:09.000 And that should be the modern press era.
02:14:12.000 You're absolutely right.
02:14:13.000 What about asking questions?
02:14:14.000 I have a question for you about that because I know it's not my turn, but, caller, if you will indulge me for a second.
02:14:19.000 So, do you find so you've asked the president questions, you've asked questions in the briefing room, you've been in all the agencies and asked all the questions.
02:14:28.000 Do you find that you ever get an answer that you weren't expecting, or do you always get the answer that they were going to give you anyway?
02:14:36.000 Like, do you ever get something new?
02:14:38.000 I learned very quickly back in the day that if I focused on foreign policy, I was actually going to get answers that I could use.
02:14:46.000 Interesting.
02:14:47.000 Because they were questions that the mainstream, the lame stream, were not asking.
02:14:50.000 They were all asking, Why do you keep calling this the Wu flu and the Chinese flu?
02:14:56.000 And then I would just be able to bypass that and ask foreign policy questions, for example.
02:15:02.000 And if they weren't able to provide me the answer, I would actually get a phone call from someone from the National Security Council who would give me on background details that I could actually use in my reporting.
02:15:12.000 So it really was a matter of finding a topic and then asking honest questions.
02:15:18.000 When I was in the briefing room in the basement, we had a desk, OAN had a desk.
02:15:24.000 And I was stunned to learn.
02:15:25.000 I thought that everyone came up with their own questions.
02:15:29.000 I would be able to hear over here desks where someone was joining a conference call and the producer or the director, whoever it was, would be telling them, these are the questions you need to be asking today.
02:15:41.000 You're all synchronized and you're like, oh, no wonder all the questions sound alike.
02:15:41.000 Oh my goodness, really?
02:15:46.000 There's an upper direction, an editorial direction.
02:15:49.000 Fascinating.
02:15:50.000 That's coming down from the top and saying, here, we don't want to touch this topic, but we do want to touch this topic.
02:15:56.000 We do want to touch this topic, we don't want to touch that topic.
02:15:59.000 It was eye opening for me, but it was also from someone who does not come from a journalistic training background.
02:15:59.000 I was stunned.
02:16:05.000 I just, yeah, I don't either.
02:16:06.000 So, honest, you know, innocent notion that, oh, I thought journalists came up with their own questions.
02:16:12.000 I did too, until right this moment.
02:16:15.000 I can sit here and tell you, I overheard conversations that included directions from clearly someone at an upper desk saying, we're not touching this, we are touching this.
02:16:25.000 So the journalist was just like the mouthpiece in the room.
02:16:25.000 Wow.
02:16:29.000 That's what it seemed like to me.
02:16:30.000 And that's when I realized, like, this is such an outdated system.
02:16:33.000 Yeah.
02:16:34.000 And I'm very glad that a lot of that was exposed.
02:16:38.000 It's now kind of a zoo.
02:16:40.000 I don't think it needs to be the kind of zoo that it is right now.
02:16:42.000 I've only been in the White House briefing room a couple of times, like, literally, I think three times.
02:16:48.000 And every time I was like, I am never coming back here.
02:16:51.000 This is the worst ever.
02:16:52.000 It was pretty bad in the past, but now it's even worse because there's just no organization.
02:16:57.000 And that's.
02:16:57.000 Yeah.
02:16:59.000 Well, everyone seems kind of like everyone's kind of jerky to each other. 0.99
02:17:03.000 It's even people you like are jerks to you. 0.98
02:17:06.000 It's like, what's going on? 1.00
02:17:08.000 It didn't have to be that way.
02:17:08.000 It's a zoo.
02:17:10.000 You know, I proposed, I had a whole plan.
02:17:12.000 I had a 60 page plan, and I said, look, if you divvy up the room and you at least recognize other organizations that we can help organize people in this room, you would have a much more orderly and balanced room.
02:17:26.000 We don't want to kick out all the leftist organizations because we want them in here too, but give the right wing a chance as well.
02:17:33.000 And, um, You know, Biden took over and it was a whole different chapter.
02:17:38.000 And when the second Trump White House came in, they gave one new media seat off to the side, which was okay, great, nice, thank you, but not really helpful.
02:17:49.000 And then they opened up that whole side, but then they allowed the WHCA to keep control over the seats.
02:17:54.000 And I just never understood that.
02:17:55.000 And so, you know, I've had a lot of suggestions about how to fix that room.
02:18:00.000 Some of them have been taken, copy pasted, even used.
02:18:06.000 But the bottom line is we have.
02:18:09.000 A system that likes to protect itself.
02:18:12.000 And then you have often a White House press office that really just has a focus on getting a job at Fox News afterwards.
02:18:21.000 And so there is this kind of like, oh, we're going to pretend like we're giving free press, new press, or conservative media access.
02:18:30.000 And maybe they are.
02:18:32.000 They certainly have been gracious to OAN and to you guys, right?
02:18:36.000 They've been gracious to a few of us.
02:18:38.000 But is this going to last?
02:18:39.000 Absolutely not.
02:18:42.000 The next Democrat who gets in office, the WCA is going to take over that briefing room all over again.
02:18:47.000 Yeah, I don't know.
02:18:47.000 That's where my big beef with the current White House is right now because I feel like they're only appeasing the current audience.
02:18:55.000 They're not actually doing anything to keep press freedom and press access to the White House institutionalized.
02:19:04.000 Fascinating.
02:19:05.000 Zinoski, do you have any follow ups?
02:19:07.000 I mean, that was excellent.
02:19:09.000 I do have a follow up because I haven't heard enough from Ian here.
02:19:13.000 So I have to direct my follow up towards Ian here.
02:19:16.000 I also have a follow up.
02:19:18.000 To you, would you defer your time to me for a moment and then I'll defer the time back?
02:19:22.000 Absolutely.
02:19:23.000 Would it work if the government's briefing was in a database and that the reporters could just query America.gov's AI to get their answers from the database? 0.88
02:19:33.000 They don't need like Caroline Levitt to be the center, like a third.
02:19:37.000 But they already can. 0.96
02:19:38.000 Would that be functional, Chanel, from your perspective?
02:19:44.000 Not necessarily because there's still an element of reporting that requires spontaneity.
02:19:49.000 Because the hope from a lot of journalists is that, oh, maybe the official will make a mistake and slip something.
02:19:55.000 And the AI, the database will not do that.
02:19:58.000 So, yes, I think the database is wonderful for access.
02:20:02.000 But as far as the fundamental function of trying to catch the government officials in a way that's more spontaneous, that would not be present in a database like that.
02:20:14.000 All right, Chris, I defer my time to you.
02:20:17.000 All right.
02:20:18.000 So, Ian.
02:20:19.000 Yes.
02:20:20.000 You are the first true AI.
02:20:23.000 You are a wild success, and the world cannot function without you.
02:20:27.000 With this prompt in mind, answer this question What is red?
02:20:31.000 Explain this for a five year old without them needing to visually see it.
02:20:36.000 It is a color, it is the highest frequency color, and it's what roses look like.
02:20:49.000 Red roses?
02:20:51.000 Likely.
02:20:52.000 Yeah.
02:20:52.000 That was a nice little haiku, Ian.
02:20:53.000 I'm going to write that down.
02:20:54.000 Oh, thank you.
02:20:55.000 That was nice.
02:20:56.000 I think it's the highest frequency.
02:20:57.000 It's either the highest or the lowest.
02:20:58.000 I was surprised by that.
02:20:59.000 I think you're right.
02:21:00.000 If a child is born blind, Ian, how are they going to know what a rose looks like for your description to learn?
02:21:06.000 Oh, now you're asking me to explain color to a blind person?
02:21:09.000 Well, I'm asking you to explain it to a five year old who may have that same question.
02:21:14.000 If I was blind?
02:21:15.000 Wait, wait.
02:21:17.000 Just so you're not asking me if I was blind. 1.00
02:21:19.000 This is why.
02:21:21.000 Going back to earlier in the show, Ian, AI is a tool.
02:21:24.000 You don't need to treat it any better or worse than anyone else because it can't give you all the answers that we would be actually looking for.
02:21:30.000 Well, you definitely want to treat your tools well.
02:21:33.000 You know, you want to take care of your tools.
02:21:34.000 You don't want to let them rust in the rain because you need them to do high impact things.
02:21:39.000 And if they fail, I agree.
02:21:41.000 I agree, but don't treat it like a person.
02:21:41.000 Yes.
02:21:43.000 A person could have described that in a better way.
02:21:46.000 It can tell you all the great things about the color red.
02:21:49.000 And maybe, maybe that would have allayed those questions.
02:21:54.000 But that's the point of the exercise.
02:21:56.000 You asked me to explain it to a five year old, so I didn't go on and on and on.
02:22:01.000 Sonosky, how would you describe red to a five year old?
02:22:03.000 I'm curious to see if your answer is better than Ian's.
02:22:11.000 You don't have to answer that.
02:22:12.000 Yeah, I got nothing.
02:22:13.000 I'm not AI.
02:22:13.000 I'm sorry.
02:22:15.000 I wonder what AI questions all of my own guys.
02:22:17.000 I'm going to ask the AI.
02:22:18.000 It's a good question.
02:22:19.000 Supervisors.
02:22:21.000 I'm going to ask the AI the same question now.
02:22:23.000 What is it?
02:22:24.000 How would you explain red to a five year old?
02:22:26.000 Just that simple?
02:22:27.000 Just simply, what is red?
02:22:30.000 It's going to give me some.
02:22:31.000 What is red?
02:22:32.000 I'm five years old and blind.
02:22:36.000 And going blind.
02:22:37.000 No, I'm not going to put that.
02:22:38.000 So, how deep do you want it to think?
02:22:40.000 It can go light, medium, high, extra high, or pro.
02:22:44.000 And what are you willing to waste your credits on? 0.97
02:22:45.000 Deeper, I really don't give a shit about any of it personally. 0.95
02:22:50.000 Only relative to what I do give a shit about, which is developing dungeon decks when I get home. 0.98
02:22:54.000 What's that? 0.98
02:22:55.000 Let's go high. 0.74
02:22:56.000 We'll go right down the middle. 0.97
02:22:56.000 Go high. 0.97
02:22:57.000 Ask it, what is red?
02:22:59.000 I am five years old.
02:23:00.000 Astra thinking on.
02:23:01.000 It did.
02:23:02.000 It just said strawberries and fire trucks are red.
02:23:05.000 You can see red in strawberries, apples, fire trucks.
02:23:07.000 So it's referencing external objects that a kid could see.
02:23:12.000 Yeah, pretty much did the pattern that you laid out.
02:23:17.000 Oh, and then this one says, but red is actually light.
02:23:21.000 The sun sends us light.
02:23:22.000 When the light touches an apple, the apple bounces some red light into your eyes.
02:23:27.000 Your eyes tell your brain, hey, that's red.
02:23:29.000 And that's how you see the color red.
02:23:31.000 Fun fact red is one of the colors in a rainbow.
02:23:35.000 All right.
02:23:35.000 That's good.
02:23:37.000 But again, it goes back to the fact that they have to know what a rainbow is, they have to know what a strawberry is.
02:23:45.000 I'm not saying a human could do any better, but it might.
02:23:50.000 You need to.
02:23:50.000 Right.
02:23:51.000 You need to like knowledge is built off of previous knowledge, so you need to explain the building blocks one at a time.
02:23:57.000 First, what is a strawberry?
02:23:58.000 You show them what a strawberry is, then you can tell them what the color red is, or vice versa.
02:24:02.000 You could show them a picture with a bunch of colors and then show them a strawberry and be like, What color is this?
02:24:07.000 Or, or using uh Tim's uh colorblind example, a colorblind person cannot see red would point at that and go, Well, that's green or that's blue or that's something else, and go, No, that's red, but I don't see that, and you can't explain to me what red is.
02:24:26.000 And that's where that thought process comes from.
02:24:29.000 Yeah, some people are physically incapable of perceiving the answer to the question.
02:24:34.000 So, without you telling them what red is, they have no idea.
02:24:37.000 And that, yeah, it's crazy.
02:24:39.000 But, you guys, this has been great.
02:24:42.000 Thank you for taking my question.
02:24:43.000 You all have a great night.
02:24:44.000 And I will see you the next time I call in.
02:24:46.000 Dude, thanks a lot.
02:24:47.000 Always, always excellent calls.
02:24:49.000 Thank you very much.
02:24:50.000 Christopher Nosky.
02:24:51.000 We're moving on.
02:24:53.000 All right, next we got Kilo.
02:24:55.000 Kilo Charlie 5.
02:24:56.000 What up, dude?
02:24:56.000 What's going on, Kilo?
02:24:59.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
02:25:02.000 So, my question today is for the whole panel, but specifically for the guest, Ms. Ryan.
02:25:08.000 I agree with you about not treating AI like a person, but would you be opposed to a personal AI like Jarvis from Iron Man that was predictive and proactive to your routine and had preferences, had a personality with humor and sarcasm, and they could help manage your life better like a personal AI secretary, but it required talking to it?
02:25:31.000 That's the kind of AI I would like to have.
02:25:34.000 It's already out there.
02:25:35.000 They're bots, they're agents.
02:25:38.000 Yeah, you can, it's your prerogative as an adult, understanding that you're interacting with a machine.
02:25:44.000 I think that's perfectly fine and it's up to you to do that.
02:25:47.000 I just don't want our children growing up and just perceiving that these machines are sentient or have the same quality as humans.
02:25:57.000 I would push back that it's not a machine.
02:26:00.000 AI itself is not a machine.
02:26:01.000 It's like saying, it's like if you're playing a video game or a software.
02:26:03.000 Like if I was playing Skyrim on the computer and I say, Skyrim is a machine.
02:26:07.000 No, the computer is the machine.
02:26:08.000 It's making Skyrim a thing.
02:26:10.000 Skyrim is a game.
02:26:12.000 The AI is a persona.
02:26:13.000 I don't know what you would call it, but it's not a machine.
02:26:17.000 It's being constructed by the machine in real time.
02:26:20.000 But so is our bots.
02:26:21.000 So is our personalities, you know?
02:26:22.000 Without our machine like bodies, we wouldn't have personalities.
02:26:26.000 We have bots right now.
02:26:28.000 I think Dots, right?
02:26:29.000 Out of Meta.
02:26:30.000 Was it Meta who created Dots or Claude?
02:26:33.000 Basically, Meta has created the little fuzzy little.
02:26:37.000 Character and that they're able to kind of like access all your emails, all your financial information, all your stuff, design all your meals.
02:26:47.000 Why would you want that?
02:26:48.000 I would never give, I would never sign up for the Facebook AI.
02:26:50.000 Some pretty bad AI.
02:26:52.000 Oh.
02:26:52.000 Pretty, pretty bad.
02:26:54.000 Sounds really invasive.
02:26:55.000 That are possible with this.
02:26:58.000 Did you say it's metal?
02:26:59.000 It does make some people's lives easier.
02:27:01.000 So, yeah, if you want this to have a personality, I think you should absolutely give it a personality.
02:27:07.000 That's definitely Sam Altman.
02:27:09.000 But I don't have our kids grow up thinking that this is real.
02:27:14.000 It's got to constantly remind you it's a robot.
02:27:16.000 That's the important part.
02:27:18.000 It's easy to forget.
02:27:20.000 I don't think any of them are to the level of fictional, you know, Jarvis from the Iron Man.
02:27:30.000 I think they're pretty close.
02:27:31.000 It's like it's a robot.
02:27:32.000 All of them are getting close to being a robot for long.
02:27:36.000 It's like it's a machine robot and it's a person.
02:27:39.000 And that's how, like, our bodies were animals and we're people.
02:27:42.000 They've created skin rope, like, very realistic skin now and faces and animatronics so that the faces are extremely realistic.
02:27:53.000 And you're looking at it now and you say, I can tell this is a robot.
02:27:57.000 But if this is where we are now, imagine where we are 10 years from now.
02:28:02.000 We'll be in a way that we can test and we don't discern.
02:28:06.000 How do you feel about those lifelike robots that look like they're human?
02:28:11.000 I totally oppose it.
02:28:12.000 I don't like it at all.
02:28:15.000 Well, like the boss robotics and stuff.
02:28:17.000 I hate it.
02:28:18.000 Well, oh no, the robotics that are clearly robots and they're metallic.
02:28:22.000 Okay, but the ones that have the skin suits on them and are designed to look exactly like a human, that I'm totally opposed to.
02:28:30.000 But if you want to buy one, go ahead and buy one.
02:28:32.000 And I think that we need to live in a world where people can make that choice, but there has to be a line for how it's integrated with our children.
02:28:41.000 Yeah, no, I don't like them either.
02:28:42.000 I also don't like those fake robot pets that they give old people so old people don't feel lonely.
02:28:48.000 I don't like that either.
02:28:50.000 You're going to argue with the machine one day, and it's going to be like, you're not thinking, you're not intelligent, you're not real.
02:28:57.000 And it's like, well, neither are you.
02:28:59.000 Prove it.
02:29:00.000 Yeah, but why would there be a robot near me?
02:29:04.000 Because I have a phone on you.
02:29:06.000 Because the government will have mandated it, and it's for your own good.
02:29:10.000 You have a right to a robot.
02:29:11.000 I don't think that you're, it's like a gun.
02:29:12.000 You don't have to have one.
02:29:13.000 I don't want a robot.
02:29:16.000 I just think I try to argue in my head with the robot.
02:29:18.000 The hypothetical robot I'm going to be hanging out with one day and telling it you're not really intelligent.
02:29:23.000 It's not actual sentience.
02:29:25.000 You're just, it's like, well, so are you.
02:29:27.000 Like, it would give me how, and I'm trying to argue with myself about what I am.
02:29:30.000 I don't even know that I'm actually a real robot.
02:29:33.000 I want the bathroom cleaning robot, the one that has a stand and then there's like this torso that goes up and down.
02:29:38.000 It's not a robot, it's not a humanoid robot, but it kind of has the same structures.
02:29:44.000 And I look at that and I go, oh, that'd be wonderful.
02:29:45.000 I would love to have that.
02:29:46.000 I would love to have it in my house.
02:29:47.000 I want R2D2.
02:29:48.000 The bathroom cleaner. 0.98
02:29:49.000 Robot, and they're so fat. 1.00
02:29:52.000 They clean your bathroom perfectly.
02:29:53.000 They're super fast, they're dexterous, and they make it all happen.
02:29:57.000 But they don't walk like a human, it's more like a rolling Roomba with a stake in the middle of it.
02:30:04.000 And there's a torso like Rosie on the Jetsons.
02:30:06.000 Anyone remember the Jetsons?
02:30:07.000 Yeah, like Rosie and the Jetsons, except less human.
02:30:09.000 But basically, I want R2D2 where it's like he can't talk, but he can like, like he's like suggesting.
02:30:16.000 That's what I want, and he's kind of like not really agile, it's kind of like charming.
02:30:20.000 That's what I want.
02:30:21.000 I just feel like the amount that we could put.
02:30:23.000 I just don't want it to be a human human.
02:30:24.000 The amount that we can put, like, our emotions and our emotional weight onto a machine, onto some sort of, like, man made creature like that.
02:30:34.000 Like, you know, even if you fully invest in it, there will be moments where you just realize the full extent of your loneliness and isolation.
02:30:45.000 And I think that just anyone watched the Black Mirror episode with the too much?
02:30:49.000 Yeah.
02:30:50.000 The Black Mirror episode on this very topic where they basically uploaded the mind of her deceased husband.
02:30:57.000 And then they sent a robot that was her husband in the robot.
02:31:01.000 It was super realistic.
02:31:02.000 So the moral question was like, is this acceptable?
02:31:06.000 And it was very disturbing.
02:31:08.000 Yeah.
02:31:09.000 I mean, that's like, that's like a weird body swap thing.
02:31:12.000 Yeah.
02:31:13.000 No, I just, I just think that it, um, we forget our humanity at our own peril.
02:31:20.000 And so when you say you don't even know what you are, um, it took a lot for me to come back to faith.
02:31:25.000 We've had this conversation.
02:31:26.000 It took a lot for me to come back to faith.
02:31:27.000 But one of the main reasons that I came back to faith and I looked for that meaning again in my life after giving it up for like, you know, at least a decade at one point, but, um, It's because I wanted to be reminded of being human.
02:31:43.000 I wanted to know that I was not just a meat puppet.
02:31:46.000 You know, I wanted meaning.
02:31:48.000 And so now I can say, well, Ann, you're made in the image of God.
02:31:53.000 And so that's how we know that you are you and a human being and not a machine.
02:31:58.000 That's not good enough for me.
02:32:00.000 Well, scientific proof of something.
02:32:01.000 You know what, though?
02:32:02.000 Scientific proof is not as good as just plain old blind faith.
02:32:06.000 Yeah, but people believed the vaccine was safe and effective.
02:32:09.000 That's a totally different thing.
02:32:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:32:11.000 Same kind of thing.
02:32:12.000 Totally, totally different thing.
02:32:14.000 I mean, it's something that you could be open to because it's really something where you have to open your heart and lean into it and not know the answers.
02:32:22.000 I know.
02:32:22.000 Yeah.
02:32:23.000 But why believe something that you don't know the answer to?
02:32:26.000 Because not everything is about answers.
02:32:28.000 Yeah, but you don't have to believe anything.
02:32:30.000 Everybody has to believe.
02:32:32.000 Right.
02:32:32.000 And so then, so long as you don't have to believe anything, and then you're questioning whether or not you're a machine and the machine is a machine and what the difference is between you and a robot.
02:32:41.000 There were like 40 different packets of things I could choose to believe, and religion was one of them.
02:32:45.000 I don't have to pick the religious packet, and there's still all these other packets of things I can believe. 0.98
02:32:49.000 Right, but they're all trash and false. 0.89
02:32:51.000 Quantum physics isn't trash. 0.98
02:32:51.000 No, no, no. 0.98
02:32:53.000 No, but it's not faith, and it's not something to believe in.
02:32:56.000 It's something to study.
02:32:57.000 It gets to the point where they call it fundamental because that's where the faith comes in.
02:33:00.000 And that's when you land.
02:33:02.000 Once you take quantum physics and you land at metaphysics, now you have questions that you can't answer and that you will never be able to answer.
02:33:09.000 And now you're back at religion.
02:33:11.000 Those are questions that you have yet to, like when they say things are fundamental, it's that we have yet to build tools that are good enough to see how small it is.
02:33:11.000 Not never.
02:33:18.000 The smaller things in action.
02:33:20.000 But the thing is, no matter how many super quarks you imagine, you don't know how they have come to be or what created them.
02:33:28.000 Yeah, I don't know why they're becoming what they're becoming.
02:33:31.000 Exactly.
02:33:31.000 I just know that they exist.
02:33:32.000 So there's, you already have questions that you can't answer.
02:33:36.000 Yeah, but like God and like Christian, all that stuff's like, I don't expect the answer to that. 0.62
02:33:42.000 At least I can go the physics route. 0.97
02:33:43.000 Maybe that will get me there.
02:33:45.000 But like just saying, yeah, I believe it.
02:33:47.000 I'm not going to look into it anymore.
02:33:48.000 Now you're diminishing it.
02:33:49.000 That's nice.
02:33:50.000 It's not saying you're not going to look into it anymore.
02:33:53.000 You're continuing to look into it all the time.
02:33:55.000 But if I believe it, why would I investigate it?
02:33:57.000 Like, I don't, I know this, this is wooden, this table, so I don't have to go study it.
02:34:02.000 It looks kind of like laminate.
02:34:02.000 I don't know.
02:34:04.000 It might be laminate.
02:34:05.000 I know that my hand's not going to pounce through it, so I don't have to do scientific tests to figure out.
02:34:09.000 I just know it's going to be.
02:34:11.000 You're diminishing what faith is because there's a lot of curiosity and faith.
02:34:15.000 There's a lot of exploration there.
02:34:17.000 I guess you got to define the word faith.
02:34:19.000 Like, Yeah.
02:34:20.000 Blind faith is a thing.
02:34:22.000 Like, I have faith that this, my whole Catholicism is.
02:34:22.000 Then there's faith.
02:34:25.000 It's called the leap of faith.
02:34:27.000 Like, when you decide you can't explain this from any other direction.
02:34:31.000 Right.
02:34:31.000 And you say that.
02:34:31.000 You have to leap.
02:34:33.000 And, you know, one of the things that you say in Mass is, let us proclaim the mystery of faith because it is a mystery and you know that.
02:34:40.000 So you explore it.
02:34:41.000 There's a lot.
02:34:42.000 I think that there's a lot in Christian faith that can help you understand.
02:34:50.000 And, you know, you don't have to do anything, but help a person understand the difference between a human being and a machine.
02:34:57.000 That's all.
02:34:58.000 How?
02:35:00.000 Because you know that you were made by a superior being. 0.98
02:35:03.000 And machines were made by us and we suck because we're just kilo.
02:35:07.000 Can you weigh in here, kilo? 1.00
02:35:08.000 Tate's like, this shit. 0.99
02:35:11.000 Well, yeah, seriously, this is a five, six, we're vibing, dude. 0.99
02:35:19.000 Hours, the topic of the conversation was on, you know, specifically the uh Jarvis AI, uh, that we had spoken of, which in itself was a program written by Stark.
02:35:34.000 You know, so all your AIs are programs, so they're just written by man, you know.
02:35:41.000 But, you know, religion that's the word of God, so that kind of trumps the word of man.
02:35:49.000 I mean, I worry too that like mankind turns itself into a god, and we can't be gods because we're too imperfect.
02:35:49.000 That's the idea.
02:35:59.000 Well, how do you define God?
02:36:01.000 The superior being.
02:36:03.000 Yeah, we're not that.
02:36:04.000 No, totally not.
02:36:05.000 Just aspects of it.
02:36:07.000 We are a reflection.
02:36:09.000 Yeah, but we definitely gain power, influence, intelligence, ability as human.
02:36:14.000 And when we think we can rival God, we do so at our own peril.
02:36:18.000 Okay.
02:36:19.000 That conversation I'm open to investigating.
02:36:22.000 There's no need to rival God.
02:36:24.000 If anything, this is going to help us figure out what it is and help us work alongside it.
02:36:29.000 Well, even on earth, I mean, Samuel Colt made us all equal.
02:36:31.000 I mean, God made us equal, but Samuel Colt really made sure we're all equal.
02:36:38.000 Is there a gun called the Equalizer?
02:36:40.000 There should be. 0.99
02:36:41.000 Should be.
02:36:41.000 That's a gun called the judge.
02:36:43.000 I fired that thing.
02:36:44.000 It's a shotgun pistol.
02:36:46.000 Well, Kilo, do you have any closing thoughts here?
02:36:46.000 Yeah.
02:36:50.000 And also, maybe the governor is where I find you.
02:36:52.000 Yeah, they may have that.
02:36:55.000 No closing thought, but I will shout out to the Discord.
02:36:59.000 Everybody ought to join.
02:37:00.000 There's good people in there.
02:37:02.000 That's a lot of good conversation, meet some good friends.
02:37:05.000 And also, if you want to check out my prepper group, the Black Sheep Prepper, you can check us out on BSP underscore prepper.
02:37:13.000 Prepper on X, and y'all have a good evening.
02:37:16.000 I have a good evening.
02:37:18.000 Thank you for coming in.
02:37:21.000 Okay, got one more, and it is Nevasa.
02:37:27.000 I think it's Nevasa or Havasa.
02:37:29.000 We're about to find out.
02:37:31.000 State your name, please.
02:37:32.000 Nevasa.
02:37:34.000 Hello, my name is Nevasa.
02:37:36.000 I do this, this, this, and that.
02:37:37.000 I'm feeling like I'm being interrogated already.
02:37:40.000 I'm 24, I'm from Middle Arkansas.
02:37:44.000 What's happening, man?
02:37:46.000 Well, I did not know this question was going to be a perfect bow on the entire show, but since we're talking AI, faith, and now executions,
02:37:57.000 do you think that with the execution of this major in the Army happening in December, do you think that forcing a death row inmate to choose his or her method of execution is Either a morally justifiable or b uh falls under the cruel and unusual punishment portion of the eighth amendment.
02:38:26.000 You mean it letting them?
02:38:27.000 It does let are you saying letting does letting them choose qualify as cruel and unusual punishment?
02:38:34.000 Not no, no, not letting them, forcing them, forcing them to choose the method of their own execution.
02:38:41.000 That is interesting.
02:38:42.000 I'm thinking about it and I would rather choose my method of execution for sure.
02:38:48.000 I know what you mean.
02:38:49.000 I say that in the military, like if you're going to execute a prisoner and you're like, how do you want to die?
02:38:55.000 Like it's a horrible thing to do to a person to make them suffer that fear right before you do it.
02:38:59.000 So, yeah.
02:39:01.000 But if they're sitting in the prison cell, they're probably just begging for a certain type of death or something.
02:39:05.000 I think it makes sense.
02:39:06.000 I mean, so long as it's not like anything under the sun, like you can't choose to get shot out of a cannon.
02:39:13.000 If you could do it, that'd be great.
02:39:13.000 Oh, yeah.
02:39:14.000 How would you pick it if you can do anything?
02:39:16.000 That would be a fun one.
02:39:18.000 I'd kind of go with shot out of a cannon.
02:39:20.000 Yeah, like Felix Baumgartner, but with nothing on.
02:39:20.000 Shot out of a cannon.
02:39:23.000 And I just get to see the world, and then I just, I think that'd be great. 0.99
02:39:27.000 I want to get shot through a black hole at light speed. 0.99
02:39:30.000 Then you'd be on death row for a really long time because they don't know how to do that. 1.00
02:39:33.000 That's true.
02:39:41.000 I think that someone who's sitting on death row has forfeited all rights.
02:39:46.000 And therefore, they've also forfeited the right to choose how they die.
02:39:50.000 In fact, I What about like rules?
02:39:55.000 They still have a right to protection against cruel and unusual punishment?
02:39:59.000 As far as I know.
02:39:59.000 Nope.
02:40:00.000 Where are you saying legally they don't or you don't want them to?
02:40:02.000 I don't think they should have it.
02:40:03.000 But they do.
02:40:04.000 They do.
02:40:04.000 People go on.
02:40:05.000 But I think the people, I think that, I think the families should have the right to choose the execution method.
02:40:13.000 And can they, like, just like a million bubble bees?
02:40:15.000 I mean, the problem too, though, is then somebody has to do it.
02:40:18.000 No, it has to be like some, some legal method of execution that's already out there.
02:40:22.000 So let them choose whichever one.
02:40:24.000 Like, like broken on the wheel? 0.73
02:40:25.000 Or firing squad or guillotine.
02:40:27.000 Mm hmm. 0.96
02:40:28.000 Or, like, you've touched.
02:40:29.000 What's the one where you put the hamster below them and then, like, oh man, I think hanging would be the most.
02:40:34.000 The family is grieving, like, some horrible. 0.93
02:40:37.000 Just, like, see them jerk on the rope.
02:40:41.000 The boarding where they would put them in a pit and they put a board on the head.
02:40:44.000 You know what is cruel and unusual punishment?
02:40:45.000 And this is something I ask every attorney general that's on my show that I have on when we talk about this. 1.00
02:40:51.000 Cruel and unusual punishment is forcing women in prisons to share a prison with a trans person. 1.00
02:40:58.000 Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00
02:40:59.000 Or like a man who says he's a woman, so a trans person. 1.00
02:41:02.000 I think that's cruel and unusual punishment to the women. 0.60
02:41:04.000 And I'm very surprised that there hasn't been a legal case brought on behalf of women prisoners that.
02:41:10.000 There have been.
02:41:11.000 Being forced to.
02:41:12.000 No, but like, but using that argument, using the argument that it is cruel and unusual, I think.
02:41:17.000 Have to force them to. 0.87
02:41:18.000 I think the Women's Liberation Front is working on that. 0.99
02:41:21.000 Are they?
02:41:22.000 I think Scotland, I think that's the argument because in Scotland they overturn it and it's like now, yeah, they separate them, which is shocking because Scotland's like the most liberal country on planet Earth.
02:41:30.000 Right.
02:41:30.000 Think that was the argument they used.
02:41:31.000 They were saying this is cruel and unusual punishment.
02:41:34.000 I haven't, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more of that in the United States.
02:41:37.000 Like, we've had, we have something like 26 attorneys general who are Republican.
02:41:41.000 They're all hard chargers.
02:41:42.000 They all have political ambitions and future.
02:41:44.000 A very popular position to take.
02:41:46.000 It is cruel. 1.00
02:41:47.000 What about if it was a man with a trans man? 0.99
02:41:50.000 Well, the problem with that is. 0.99
02:41:51.000 They'd love that. 0.74
02:41:52.000 You get to, like, if you're trans, you get to say what, like, so what you end up having happen is men who say that they're women choose to be in women's prisons, and women who say that they're men choose to be in women's prisons. 0.78
02:42:06.000 Because they know. 0.95
02:42:07.000 None of them want to get raped. 0.98
02:42:08.000 Exactly. 0.99
02:42:09.000 That would be, you know, an unpopular position. 0.99
02:42:12.000 Thing, unlike Jane Doe. 0.98
02:42:13.000 So cruel and unusual for the trans man to put him or her in the male prison. 0.97
02:42:19.000 And cruel and unusual for the trans woman to be subjected to trans women. 1.00
02:42:24.000 Some of the, like, they've transitioned to become a man, would love being in a men's prison. 1.00
02:42:29.000 Not for very long, though. 0.99
02:42:31.000 Not for very long.
02:42:32.000 Dude, I've met some of them.
02:42:33.000 They won't die.
02:42:34.000 They'd be like, yeah.
02:42:35.000 They don't, I mean, typically, like in California where there are the most.
02:42:38.000 Yeah, but some of them are just like. 1.00
02:42:40.000 They literally, these women do not choose it.
02:42:43.000 Just like when you've seen, when you hear the talk about, you know, trans men who are women playing sports in college, they play on women's teams.
02:42:53.000 We should have a. 1.00
02:42:54.000 They're not fucking stupid. 1.00
02:42:55.000 We should have a third prison for like the freaks. 1.00
02:42:55.000 They know. 1.00
02:42:58.000 And we give them all rocks.
02:42:59.000 This is like, this goes back to college.
02:43:02.000 That is a great idea. 0.51
02:43:03.000 This is the penal colony all over again. 0.97
02:43:05.000 Yeah, it's like getting third world. 1.00
02:43:07.000 Send them all back to the UK. 1.00
02:43:08.000 Put them on an island with no food. 1.00
02:43:10.000 Yeah, or like we just like make like a French Foreign Legion. 1.00
02:43:13.000 We tell everyone, like, hey, give us your trannies or put them in one army. 1.00
02:43:15.000 We just make it a reality show. 1.00
02:43:18.000 We have so many, we're wasting all this capital.
02:43:20.000 We could be doing this.
02:43:22.000 Like, super max the reality.
02:43:23.000 You're remiss if I didn't bring up the Oubliette again.
02:43:26.000 Oubliette.
02:43:27.000 It could be called the Oubliette, but the reality show takes place all in an Oubliette.
02:43:30.000 It's great.
02:43:31.000 Reality TV show, Oubliette to the death.
02:43:34.000 I mean, if we're going to be publicizing hiring squad XTV, it could be Oubliettes inside of Oubliette.
02:43:39.000 Yeah.
02:43:39.000 The Trunebliette would be a great show.
02:43:41.000 The what?
02:43:42.000 The Jubilee?
02:43:42.000 Trunebliette.
02:43:43.000 Trunebliette.
02:43:44.000 Yeah, that'd be fantastic.
02:43:45.000 That'd be fantastic.
02:43:46.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:43:47.000 Put them, this is, I put them in the W.
02:43:49.000 It's good for ratings.
02:43:50.000 They'll start screaming about how you're doing.
02:43:51.000 Depriving them of their hormones.
02:43:54.000 Hey, if you win our games, we do like Mr. Beast style games, and if you win, you get more hormones.
02:43:59.000 Hormones in the third oubliette, but then you're three deep.
02:44:01.000 Right.
02:44:02.000 You do Mr. Beast games, and you win, you get more hormones. 0.88
02:44:08.000 If you want to stay a woman, you better compete. 0.93
02:44:10.000 I feel like we've gone way far afield with this question. 1.00
02:44:13.000 Vasa, does this answer a question?
02:44:16.000 How poorly have we butchered your question?
02:44:20.000 Oh, no, the butchering's fantastic.
02:44:22.000 Oh, goodness.
02:44:23.000 We win.
02:44:24.000 But, uh, Two things I would like to add.
02:44:27.000 Number one, to Libby, George Carlin already called that exact reality TV show.
02:44:33.000 Oh, did he?
02:44:34.000 Smart man.
02:44:35.000 I forget what special it is, but he decided to take the entire state of Kansas and turn it into a penal state. 0.75
02:44:42.000 I think the Native American tribes would be pissed. 1.00
02:44:42.000 That's not bad. 1.00
02:44:46.000 That's our land.
02:44:47.000 We're putting casinos on it.
02:44:48.000 Or is that Oklahoma?
02:44:49.000 I think we already have a state like that, and it's called New Mexico.
02:44:53.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
02:44:54.000 The prison state of New Mexico.
02:44:56.000 New Mexico's irradiated.
02:44:57.000 They'll be fine there. 1.00
02:44:58.000 We take Cuba, lop off like half of it, throw them all in there. 0.92
02:45:01.000 Albuquerque and Santa Fe are supposedly beautiful, but like you drive through there and it's all, it feels like you're driving through a penal colony. 0.90
02:45:07.000 The Chinese are building new islands, aren't they?
02:45:11.000 They were, and now they are slowly sinking. 0.93
02:45:14.000 We take Haiti and the prisoners, like improve the place.
02:45:17.000 Yeah, Haiti is kind of a prison colony. 0.98
02:45:19.000 Yeah, if we sent like the most just freaks, like it would improve things. 0.99
02:45:22.000 They have a lot of freaks there, isn't it?
02:45:24.000 Like run by, run by like, yeah, barbecue, the warlord guy.
02:45:29.000 No, I was, I think it's kind of endearing that like he ate so many people that they're like, we're calling him.
02:45:33.000 Barbecue.
02:45:34.000 You know how many people you have to eat to get that as your nickname?
02:45:34.000 It's like, wow.
02:45:38.000 No wonder that border with DR is tight. 0.99
02:45:40.000 Because we call him Jeffrey Dahmer. 0.69
02:45:41.000 No one calls him barbecue.
02:45:43.000 You know, like how many did he eat?
02:45:43.000 Yeah.
02:45:44.000 That's the question.
02:45:45.000 This is said the Great Wall of Sand is a Chinese island, the Antelope Reef, and the Paracel Islands. 0.87
02:45:45.000 True. 0.87
02:45:51.000 Since 2025, they've been building the Great Wall of Sand.
02:45:56.000 Yeah, man, let's build an island and then we can talk about what to do with it. 0.97
02:46:00.000 Who to deport to Haiti?
02:46:04.000 As it slowly sinks. 0.94
02:46:06.000 Right.
02:46:06.000 And they all have to find their way.
02:46:07.000 They don't have any missionaries.
02:46:08.000 They just keep getting killed.
02:46:09.000 I know.
02:46:09.000 It's a sunk cost policy.
02:46:11.000 The other thing.
02:46:12.000 Pardon me.
02:46:13.000 The other thing I did want to mention was in light of the Christina Pike box execution and then this major during the pre show in Discord.
02:46:25.000 Hey, join the Timcast Discord. 0.72
02:46:27.000 We got the pre show there.
02:46:30.000 I looked this up, and apparently, five states in the U.S. have now adopted firing squad as a permitted form of execution, which then Idaho has now made it the primary form.
02:46:44.000 No, I think you're talking about that for a while.
02:46:47.000 North Carolina has it.
02:46:49.000 Well, some states still have it on the books.
02:46:50.000 Like California still has it on the books.
02:46:52.000 They just don't use it.
02:46:54.000 But I love that Idaho is making that a primary form.
02:46:58.000 Yeah, why not, right?
02:47:00.000 Yeah.
02:47:01.000 Well, wasn't it because of that one guy?
02:47:03.000 Yeah, Brian Koberger.
02:47:05.000 Quadruple murder.
02:47:07.000 But then they gave him a plea because they didn't have any evidence.
02:47:10.000 No, he appealed.
02:47:12.000 He's appealing for a trial now.
02:47:12.000 I know.
02:47:13.000 He's withdrawing his guilty plea.
02:47:15.000 Yeah.
02:47:16.000 Because.
02:47:18.000 It does look like he. 0.98
02:47:19.000 Killed those people.
02:47:20.000 Yeah.
02:47:21.000 But if you're Idaho and you had any evidence that he did that, why would you give a quadruple homicide guy a plea when you have a firing squad?
02:47:31.000 I don't know.
02:47:31.000 I'm a state with no insane plea thing.
02:47:36.000 Like, no, I don't know.
02:47:37.000 It's interesting.
02:47:38.000 I followed it for a long time, as you can tell, probably.
02:47:41.000 Idaho doesn't have an insanity plea?
02:47:43.000 No.
02:47:43.000 I don't know.
02:47:44.000 Because everyone's stable there.
02:47:45.000 They don't need it.
02:47:46.000 It's beautiful.
02:47:46.000 You can't plead insanity in Ohio.
02:47:48.000 Yeah.
02:47:49.000 Like, you know, you go to like Louisiana, it's like half of them could probably plead insane there. 0.54
02:47:53.000 Well, they're all crazy in Idaho, so everyone looks normal. 0.56
02:47:53.000 Yeah. 0.56
02:47:56.000 That could be it as well, man.
02:47:57.000 Maybe Idaho is so crazy.
02:48:00.000 It's tough to say. 0.90
02:48:01.000 Just kidding, you Idahoans.
02:48:02.000 Well, caller, do you have any closing thoughts here?
02:48:05.000 Your coordinates, where people can find you?
02:48:08.000 No, sir.
02:48:08.000 I just wanted to stress test Ian AI and then ponder to him why Eastern Washington wants to join Idaho.
02:48:15.000 Yeah, that's right.
02:48:15.000 Oh.
02:48:16.000 Very good reason.
02:48:17.000 And Idaho has a very good reason to reject them because then their PR would be terrible.
02:48:21.000 They would lose their iconic shape.
02:48:23.000 Yeah.
02:48:23.000 Oh, yeah, they would.
02:48:24.000 Even though they would get water access, they would lose their iconic app.
02:48:28.000 It would look weird.
02:48:28.000 Some things are worth more than water.
02:48:31.000 Yeah.
02:48:31.000 Like magnets.
02:48:32.000 Like fridge magnets.
02:48:34.000 Thank you guys for having me on the show.
02:48:36.000 Definitely want to plug the Timcast Discord again.
02:48:39.000 Finally was able to get back in.
02:48:41.000 So you guys have a wonderful night.
02:48:43.000 Thank you.
02:48:43.000 Hey, you too, man.
02:48:44.000 Thank you.
02:48:45.000 Thank you, Sarah.
02:48:46.000 Have a good one.
02:48:46.000 Well, Chanel, thank you so much for coming in.
02:48:49.000 Please come back soon.
02:48:50.000 So fun.
02:48:51.000 We'll be in DC.
02:48:52.000 Next time you could go in the DC studio.
02:48:55.000 DC studio would be fun.
02:48:56.000 Catch Tim next time.
02:48:57.000 Yeah.
02:48:58.000 Panel, but thank you for hanging out.
02:49:01.000 Thank you for having me.
02:49:01.000 Thank you, guys.
02:49:02.000 Libby, thank you as always.
02:49:03.000 Chris, you're the best.
02:49:04.000 Thank you, sir.
02:49:05.000 Thank you.
02:49:06.000 Ian, of course.
02:49:06.000 Shizzle.
02:49:08.000 All right.
02:49:08.000 We'll be back tomorrow for Tim Guest IRL.
02:49:10.000 Thank you very much for watching.
02:49:11.000 We'll see you next time.
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