Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 09, 2026


MAJOR HURRICANE To SLAM Gulf Coast, Oil Production UNDER THREAT | Timcast IRL

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00:01:15.000 A hurricane is barreling towards our Gulf Coast while our strategic oil reserve is at an all time low.
00:01:23.000 This is not a good situation.
00:01:26.000 We're monitoring the situation live.
00:01:28.000 Things are looking interesting.
00:01:29.000 It's up to category three.
00:01:31.000 But once again, if this does lay a lick on any of our oil production on the Gulf, we are in for a heck of an event.
00:01:38.000 I am not looking forward to that.
00:01:39.000 But other stories we must get to, as fun as it would be to monitor the situation on the hurricane.
00:01:44.000 For hours on end, we have some interesting developments in the midterms.
00:01:49.000 James Tallarico is apparently missing.
00:01:52.000 The current story is that he is down for the count with the flu, but there are many rumors circulating as to why he may be out of the spotlight for the time being.
00:02:02.000 We will discuss this and we will be discussing more on the Fort Hood public execution, which was announced yesterday by Pete Hegsef.
00:02:12.000 JD Vance has come out and he's expressing doubts.
00:02:15.000 That this will even occur live.
00:02:17.000 It'll be live streamed.
00:02:18.000 He said he's probably not even going to watch it.
00:02:20.000 So it's interesting.
00:02:21.000 Is this actually going to happen or not?
00:02:23.000 Is public executions back on the menu?
00:02:26.000 Who's to say?
00:02:27.000 Things are getting wacky and wild.
00:02:28.000 It's Friday, so it's going to be super casual.
00:02:30.000 We're just going to be hanging out.
00:02:31.000 We've got a great crew here today.
00:02:33.000 Before we jump into everything, first, I got to read or show you guys a fantastic option going into the fall for your coffee intake.
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00:03:09.000 I'm your host, Tate Brown, here holding it down for Tim Poole, who is currently in Chicago for a fantastic event, which you guys will be hearing more about.
00:03:19.000 But also, I want to shout out the city of Chicago and I want to send my condolences.
00:03:24.000 This is the news that hit maybe an hour or two before we started filming today.
00:03:29.000 Mike Ditka, the legendary coach of the Chicago Bears, is dead at age 86.
00:03:34.000 He's an icon, he's an American icon.
00:03:37.000 And, you know, even if you're not an NFL fan or a football fan or certainly a Bears fan, I think you can sort of appreciate Mike Ditka insofar as he really is like cut from a different cloth, insofar as he really does represent a generation of Americans that are just gone.
00:03:54.000 And yes, there's people that are distinctly Chicago, but, you know, distinctly 80s or whatever, but we're not making people like Mike Ditka anymore.
00:04:02.000 So when you lose them, they don't come back.
00:04:04.000 And I think that's what really makes me sad to see sort of this generation of Americans start to exit the scene because, once again, we're not recreating these types of individuals.
00:04:16.000 So rest in peace, Mike Ditka.
00:04:19.000 And yeah, once again, condolences to the city of Chicago.
00:04:21.000 I know he's a legend there.
00:04:22.000 And it's been a hard time to be a Chicagoan for many.
00:04:26.000 Your Timcast, obviously, is the city.
00:04:28.000 You know, faces a pretty rough stretch here.
00:04:30.000 So, seeing Mike Dick ago certainly isn't helping that.
00:04:32.000 But we have a great show for you guys tonight.
00:04:36.000 And we have a fantastic guest with us today, Dustin DeVito.
00:04:40.000 Good.
00:04:40.000 How are you doing?
00:04:41.000 It's great to be with you, Tate.
00:04:42.000 Dude, thank you so much for coming in.
00:04:43.000 Dustin or Dusty?
00:04:44.000 You can call me Dusty.
00:04:45.000 Dusty.
00:04:45.000 Yeah.
00:04:46.000 Okay.
00:04:46.000 Dusty.
00:04:46.000 Even better, dude.
00:04:47.000 Well, thank you very much for coming in.
00:04:48.000 Who are you and what do you do?
00:04:49.000 So, my name is Dustin DeVito and I'm the director of research for the 1792 Exchange.
00:04:49.000 Yeah.
00:04:55.000 So, we're a nonprofit in the DC area.
00:04:58.000 And our core mission is to help.
00:05:00.000 Businesses get back to business.
00:05:02.000 So, we have a whole suite of databases you can check out on our website, 1792exchange.com.
00:05:07.000 But our flagship product is our corporate bias ratings, where we profile over 5,000 major companies across their major dimensions of corporate governance.
00:05:16.000 We try to show where the bias exists within their policies and to highlight leaders in their industry.
00:05:22.000 And we like to track to what extent are companies focusing on their business and on their products and services, or to what extent are they letting their behavior be dictated by outside or foreign or activist influences.
00:05:33.000 So our goal is to be constructive and to help encourage them to get back in the right direction.
00:05:38.000 Well, nice.
00:05:39.000 Well, to get into all of that, I know this is a topic everyone's got some thoughts on, so it's going to be fantastic stuff.
00:05:45.000 We've got the great Rebecca Zelko hanging out.
00:05:47.000 I'm back.
00:05:48.000 So great to be here with all of you.
00:05:50.000 You might have seen me a couple episodes ago, but if you don't know me, I am the national correspondent for the Daily Caller, and I'm excited to be here.
00:05:56.000 You're becoming a regular fixture around here.
00:05:58.000 Well, we're winding down our time out here. 0.73
00:06:00.000 We're heading to D.C. soon, so it'll be more of your stomping grounds.
00:06:02.000 Exactly.
00:06:03.000 We've got the Gradient Crossland.
00:06:04.000 What's up, dudes?
00:06:05.000 Happy to be back.
00:06:06.000 I've emerged from the metallic cave of electricity where I was evolving.
00:06:12.000 My, I guess, just evolving.
00:06:14.000 That's where it ended.
00:06:15.000 Well, you're building a brain, aren't you?
00:06:16.000 I'm building a brain. 0.98
00:06:17.000 Your brain.
00:06:18.000 My own brain and another brain, a computer module brain called Omega that's developing right now.
00:06:23.000 I'm training, I think I'm giving it tone right now.
00:06:27.000 So its voice can go up and its voice can go down.
00:06:30.000 And it knows how and when.
00:06:31.000 I've trained it off of like thousands of YouTube videos of me over like decades.
00:06:34.000 So I'm excited to see how this brain evolves.
00:06:38.000 Let's rock and roll.
00:06:39.000 I love this arc.
00:06:40.000 This is so cool.
00:06:41.000 I love this arc.
00:06:42.000 And like, it must be said, You know, a lot of people tune into Timcast, and I've had people ask me this in real life.
00:06:47.000 They're like, Is Ian like this off camera?
00:06:51.000 I'm like, No, he's just like, he's like this, and he's literally a top five human of all time.
00:06:56.000 And we haven't even smoked pot together. 1.00
00:06:58.000 Like, if you're in my presence when I smoke a joint, fuck, dude, the wheels come off, bro. 1.00
00:07:03.000 Doc Brown's train just goes off the rails. 1.00
00:07:06.000 We'll have to figure out how to facilitate that.
00:07:09.000 I don't know.
00:07:09.000 If I'll partake, I think it'd be more fun to do.
00:07:11.000 Do you ever smoke pot?
00:07:12.000 Have you ever?
00:07:12.000 No, never.
00:07:13.000 You seem very clear.
00:07:13.000 Never much.
00:07:14.000 So, Like it lowered my intelligence, but it raised my wisdom, I think.
00:07:18.000 I think it is like a shortcut, it's like the clear pill in some ways.
00:07:22.000 It does seem like it takes you out of the game, but at least you don't like it, you're not stressed out about it.
00:07:26.000 Yeah, but at least you're not in the game.
00:07:27.000 So, do you want to be in the game?
00:07:29.000 That's the question.
00:07:30.000 Right.
00:07:30.000 A new game.
00:07:31.000 Is the game even worth playing?
00:07:33.000 It's a very salient question.
00:07:34.000 Why did the game hurt so bad?
00:07:36.000 It's a question I often ask myself.
00:07:38.000 Right.
00:07:39.000 Why was it so painful being the man in the arena?
00:07:41.000 Why did it hurt, Tate?
00:07:44.000 Why was it so rough?
00:07:46.000 Well, with that, that's what people in the Gulf Coast are going to be asking.
00:07:49.000 What's going on?
00:07:50.000 Is the Gulf Coast, we have Hurricane Isaias.
00:07:53.000 Isaias.
00:07:53.000 We're getting like really avant garde at the idea of hurricanes.
00:07:56.000 Isaias.
00:07:58.000 It's closing in on the Gulf Coast, the United States, as a dangerous category three hurricane.
00:08:02.000 Now, we are a little behind when this will be going live.
00:08:06.000 So I imagine it may be hitting the Gulf Coast as you're watching this live.
00:08:13.000 And maybe it's not as serious.
00:08:15.000 But as I'm reading this, as we're getting the news, You know, it looks like it's going to be pretty heavy duty.
00:08:20.000 And what's interesting about this is everyone was kind of breathing a sigh of relief because we made it through a hurricane season and there was really no, you know, major hurricane, certainly.
00:08:28.000 So everyone's like, wow, we got pretty fortunate because the context of why we really can't afford a hurricane this go around in this hurricane season is our strategic oil supply is at an all time low.
00:08:41.000 We've been, you know, releasing this on the market to try and keep oil prices under control, provide relief for a lot of, you know, Industries that need energy and energy supply.
00:08:51.000 The global reserve is quite low right now.
00:08:54.000 And if this, it's supposed to hit really the Florida Panhandle, Mobile, Biloxi.
00:09:01.000 But again, it just takes a little bit of veering to the left to really neutralize a lot of heavy oil industry that we have here along obviously the Texas coast, infamously, but also into Louisiana.
00:09:12.000 It's just we're flirting with a very disastrous situation here.
00:09:15.000 So, again, while the odds of this completely grinding the American economy to a halt are low, the fact that there even is a chance of this happening is quite terrifying.
00:09:24.000 I don't think people really realize what this would entail.
00:09:27.000 No, I don't think they do either.
00:09:29.000 As you're talking about this, I'm thinking about Atlantis, the story of Atlantis that it was destroyed by a global flood.
00:09:35.000 12,800 years ago, comets apparently hit North America and North Asia, melted all the glacial ice, caused a catastrophic global flood, 1,800 meters high tidal waves.
00:09:48.000 And then, when all the ice melted, because of isostatic rebound, the land went up where the ice used to be, and land elsewhere on the planet dropped down.
00:09:56.000 So, not only did Atlanta sink, it was hit by a. 0.98
00:09:59.000 Basically, yeah, people are problems, leftist, rightist, garbage, but Mother Nature can wipe it all out. 0.99
00:10:04.000 So, it's important to remember that. 0.96
00:10:07.000 You know, this is maybe something AI can help us with.
00:10:10.000 Protecting the weather.
00:10:12.000 That's true.
00:10:13.000 We're really, it's like we're on a pinhead, you know? 0.95
00:10:16.000 No, because everyone's saying, well, left and right, we need to unite against the Epstein class. 0.93
00:10:19.000 But what you're saying is Mother Nature is an even bigger potential threat. 0.97
00:10:22.000 Maybe we should unite to fight Mother Nature potentially.
00:10:25.000 Yeah, maybe.
00:10:26.000 Or jujitsu, I guess that's technically fighting it.
00:10:29.000 But like, yeah, deploying some sort of martial art.
00:10:29.000 Yeah.
00:10:31.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:10:32.000 I mean, I think the solution here obviously would be, you know, trying to wind down Iran so we can fill our. 1.00
00:10:38.000 Let's go back in time and. 1.00
00:10:39.000 Make sure the war never started, I guess. 1.00
00:10:41.000 Yeah, that would be the best course of action.
00:10:44.000 Not super practical.
00:10:45.000 But yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like, obviously, in the immediate aftermath of the war, everyone kind of assumed the immediate effects.
00:10:52.000 Gas would get really expensive.
00:10:54.000 Of course, groceries would also get really expensive.
00:10:56.000 But then there's things like this downstream where it's like, oh, it's actually really bad that we've had such depleted reserves for this extended period of time.
00:11:04.000 And it's not getting better.
00:11:05.000 And I think it's just going to get worse over time.
00:11:07.000 It's not just going to be natural disasters.
00:11:09.000 It's going to be a number of things that we're going to be feeling the effects.
00:11:11.000 For a long time, it's really not ideal.
00:11:13.000 I wish I could go back in time and somehow stop it, but obviously, it's not really an option.
00:11:18.000 It's just kind of where we're at now.
00:11:19.000 I remember we have Daniel Turner.
00:11:21.000 He's on the show all the time.
00:11:22.000 He's, I mean, he knows the sort of stuff like the back of his hand.
00:11:26.000 I'm using a pretty broad term there, but he's a very knowledgeable guy.
00:11:29.000 And I remember him saying, like, pretty much at the outset of the war, once the supplies started dropping, he's like, dude, one hurricane and we're going to be in serious trouble, not just for our wallets, but like as a country.
00:11:41.000 That's why, like, the third world countries get so wrecked when there's a natural disaster.
00:11:45.000 It's like, Obviously, the disaster in and of itself is disastrous, but they also have like no resources and so they can't recover.
00:11:51.000 And that's not a problem that we've we haven't had to confront that in the same way.
00:11:55.000 Um, we've just had the luxury of being a very resource rich uh country, and now you know it's possible we're gonna have to feel some of that pain, which is not good.
00:12:04.000 Got a taste, what was it, uh, North Carolina when that hurricane hit Ashburn?
00:12:09.000 Ashville, yeah, they're still still devastated as far as I know.
00:12:12.000 It was like a year and a half ago at this point, the hurricane was gonna hit Florida and it like went around and then nailed Ashburn.
00:12:18.000 I mean, you see the potential devastation.
00:12:21.000 It's definitely bad here.
00:12:22.000 But, like, you know, it's, it's, but we had drones and we're also America, which helps.
00:12:22.000 Yeah.
00:12:28.000 And yeah, situations like that.
00:12:29.000 It's something cross people don't realize is that the oil prices, you know, in the aftermath of these, these, you know, supply problems we're having with, you know, related to the Strait of Hormuz, oil should be a lot more expensive than actually is.
00:12:43.000 You know, it's, it's failing to break above like what I think the highest it's gone is 120, 130, but it's crested back down in the 80s and it's been, been around there.
00:12:52.000 People, you know, a lot of economists are saying it should be a lot higher.
00:12:55.000 We should be seeing this oil spike.
00:12:56.000 What is going on?
00:12:57.000 Well, it's news like this.
00:12:58.000 I mean, global leaders announced plans to release up to 100 million barrels of diesel and oil.
00:13:03.000 This was all the G7 getting together.
00:13:06.000 Basically, what you're seeing is the entire developed world really straining itself to keep oil under control.
00:13:13.000 And this is where there's a debate.
00:13:14.000 I mean, some people say they'll be able to keep this up.
00:13:17.000 This is not a problem.
00:13:18.000 But others are saying this is putting a bandaid on the situation.
00:13:22.000 And there will hit a point where they actually have to look and say, OK, we need to at least keep some of this aside in case we get invaded or something like that.
00:13:29.000 Regardless, this has been a major reason why oil prices have stayed a bit lower than they should, is because of basically every country on earth dumping their strategic reserve to keep the economy under control.
00:13:42.000 So, if I was the leader, I would say our strategic reserve is 100, but I would lie.
00:13:47.000 I wouldn't tell you what our actual strategic reserve was because then everyone, all my enemies would know.
00:13:52.000 So, they must have huge amounts of reserves somewhere that they don't talk about, I would think.
00:13:58.000 That's only for like self defense, for military.
00:14:01.000 I imagine there's like a military reserve that's un.
00:14:03.000 Not talked about. 0.99
00:14:04.000 I hope to God that's the case.
00:14:06.000 Well, even in the case if it is for the military, it doesn't have as the impact on us will still be real.
00:14:12.000 I mean, so right here it says in this article from Yahoo Finance, the backstop is 283 million barrels, which is down.
00:14:19.000 This is about two weeks worth of oil for the American economy, right?
00:14:25.000 Heaven forbid the military needs it for anything, but let's just presume there is the stockpile for the military.
00:14:30.000 Even then, this is what's available for us.
00:14:33.000 So let's just go worst case scenario.
00:14:35.000 The hurricane veers west.
00:14:36.000 You know, really lays a lick on the oil industry in Louisiana and, you know, East Texas.
00:14:42.000 You know, we're in this situation where we only have two weeks of breathing room.
00:14:45.000 That's two weeks for, you know, these refineries, et cetera, to get set up again.
00:14:50.000 So, like, if you had the metaphor, like, if you had a room, you were controlling a room of people because you had a weapon and everyone's doing what you're saying and you're like, I'm the guard, I have a job here, but my gun, it might blow up at any moment.
00:15:02.000 Something, it's very delicate.
00:15:06.000 It's a liability, this weapon, because no one really realizes it, but it's a paper tiger.
00:15:11.000 Is basically the OPEC, the oil for dollars, is our petrodollar, is like that.
00:15:18.000 What do you do with it?
00:15:19.000 Because I don't want to hold a vulnerable weapon that can get destroyed at any moment.
00:15:24.000 Our strength of oil could be wiped out.
00:15:27.000 I don't know.
00:15:27.000 It's like you can't get rid of the gun because then you lose control of the situation.
00:15:31.000 But you know that that gun is potentially going to get destroyed at any moment.
00:15:36.000 The whole oil industry could be wiped out.
00:15:39.000 What do you do?
00:15:39.000 How do you transition to a more stable form of control?
00:15:44.000 I mean, technocracy and like control, like you're talking about corporate governance.
00:15:47.000 I know you guys focus on that. 0.74
00:15:48.000 I know that World Economic Forum wants to control speech and order through like thought crimes and crap, it seems like.
00:15:56.000 But it's just to further demonstrate that the global economy is a bit more sensitive than I think people previously.
00:16:02.000 I mean, people figured this out during COVID, right?
00:16:04.000 Where, you know, we had COVID hitting and we also had Ukraine Russia kickoff and everything shot up in price.
00:16:10.000 I mean, everything got exorbitantly expensive.
00:16:12.000 We were seeing all these bottlenecks, et cetera.
00:16:13.000 I think people realize, like, oh my gosh.
00:16:16.000 You know, the global market is dependent, its functionality is dependent on a general level of peace and stability around the world.
00:16:24.000 And, you know, as we enter the 2020s, that's no longer something we can take for granted.
00:16:29.000 Well, the oil shortage stuff, I mean, I kind of mentioned this earlier how there are just so many things that are downstream from it.
00:16:34.000 But, like, one thing that doesn't, in my opinion, get talked about enough is like fertilizer.
00:16:38.000 Like, there's like a huge fertilizer shortage, and we don't have like any reserves for fertilizer.
00:16:42.000 And I remember talking to, I remember asking Brooke Rollins in May about it.
00:16:46.000 And this was like months ago.
00:16:47.000 Obviously, we're in a bit of a different position now.
00:16:50.000 And even then, there was definitely urgency.
00:16:53.000 And she, you know, they were like, we don't really have plans about, you know, preparing basically for that far ahead.
00:17:01.000 And, you know, it's just kind of getting worse.
00:17:03.000 I don't know.
00:17:04.000 It's kind of feels like a slow, not slow burn, but yeah, it's just like becoming increasingly more and more uncomfortable.
00:17:10.000 And it's in every aspect of life.
00:17:11.000 It's not just filling at the gas pump, it's like literally everything.
00:17:14.000 It feels like the end of a chapter, like an end of a book where, like a cliffhanger, like an end of Star Wars episode two or the Empire, where like Luke's.
00:17:24.000 Dying, you know, and they're like, uh, uh, uh, the world's falling.
00:17:27.000 And then, like, the next movie, AI is like reorganizing and, like, actually, you can use methane for these products.
00:17:32.000 And here's how you build the pipelines.
00:17:33.000 And it will take seven, seven months.
00:17:35.000 And, you know, it will create 70,000 jobs.
00:17:38.000 And here, and you're like, oh, okay.
00:17:39.000 Yeah, except there's like no clear off ramp right now.
00:17:42.000 We're just kind of like hoping that it goes okay and that, like, it kind of works out.
00:17:46.000 But it's just kind of sitting and waiting.
00:17:48.000 It's a little uncomfortable.
00:17:50.000 But the only issue I see, and I don't even know if AI can handle this, is like, how do we, Get off the oil if we're like the oil system is very old school combustion, it's 1850s technology, 1890s technology, whatever.
00:18:04.000 Um, and and it's a power, it's like a power tool.
00:18:09.000 So, how do you get off of that?
00:18:10.000 Well, I think it's pretty magical.
00:18:12.000 You just get this juice out of the ground and you put it in things and they generate power.
00:18:17.000 It's fantastic, it's fuel.
00:18:18.000 So, like, there's a lot of energy sources, but they're not fuel.
00:18:20.000 There's like wind power, fuel means it's portable.
00:18:22.000 So, there's either there's only three elements that we know of that can be used as fuel hydrogen, carbon, and Plutonium.
00:18:30.000 Obviously, we don't drive around with plutonium in our cars.
00:18:31.000 We could have hydrogen fuel, but that's so easy to get that if we go to a hydrogen based economy, the whole world will equalize in power.
00:18:39.000 And that's what the US seems to be trying to avoid.
00:18:42.000 They want to keep people down so that they can stay up.
00:18:44.000 People probably don't want to drive around on hydrogen bombs.
00:18:47.000 Well, it's.
00:18:48.000 I want us all to own Priuses.
00:18:49.000 That's it.
00:18:50.000 Petroleum bombs, too.
00:18:51.000 Petroleum is explosive, also.
00:18:53.000 It's about as dangerous as hydrogen.
00:18:55.000 It's just like you get rear ended and it just takes out the whole block.
00:18:59.000 Yeah. 0.95
00:19:00.000 That would suck. 0.97
00:19:01.000 That is.
00:19:01.000 Everyone had to be locked in driving.
00:19:03.000 I think that's fear propaganda.
00:19:05.000 Like, we're all going to melt if you have a nuclear power plant nearby, you know, like fear propaganda to keep the oil industry afloat.
00:19:11.000 Yeah, but isn't like hydrogen, as I understand it, like it's probably a bit more unstable than.
00:19:15.000 It's just lightweight, so they have to put more of it into a tank, meaning there's going to be more of an explosion if it.
00:19:22.000 That sounds bad.
00:19:23.000 It's bad if you.
00:19:24.000 You have a feedrone and it kills like 30,000 people.
00:19:26.000 No, I don't.
00:19:28.000 Let me ask ChatGPT how many people it would kill if you're.
00:19:30.000 The cars will be self driving by then, so no one's going to make any mistakes.
00:19:34.000 Yeah, then if they're.
00:19:35.000 Fine, then I actually like the self driving stuff is makes me so nervous.
00:19:39.000 The most recent time I've almost been in a car accident was in a Waymo, it was really deeply uncomfortable because the it locks you in the car.
00:19:47.000 I didn't know this.
00:19:48.000 You get in the car and the doors all lock.
00:19:51.000 Oh, yeah, it's just you and the robot, and it's like, yeah, someone got like Ted Kennedy that like drove into like a river or it was like raining out or something and got stuck and they couldn't get out.
00:20:00.000 Can unlock the car if you're in it and it's driving.
00:20:02.000 Okay, so speaking of the oil prices, and we're talking about Waymo and self driving, has anybody else had a ton of friends and family members?
00:20:10.000 Buying Teslas in the past few months with all the gas prices going up?
00:20:13.000 No.
00:20:13.000 I haven't.
00:20:14.000 Have you?
00:20:15.000 My family's all like, you can buy anything right now. 0.98
00:20:17.000 My family's very like, like, like, like, authentically OG, like conservative chud, where they're like, even though Elon is like tactically on our side, we think electric cars are gay, so we're not going to be spiritually very. 0.95
00:20:28.000 And I'm like, that's kind of how I feel, where I'm like, you know, Elon, like, thanks, dude. 0.98
00:20:33.000 Like, thanks for the donations and everything.
00:20:34.000 But like, I'm just.
00:20:35.000 My heart goes out to you.
00:20:36.000 I just, like, I feel like electric cars, like, for me, the way.
00:20:39.000 And I'm already pretty soy, so I can't.
00:20:41.000 I can't have it.
00:20:42.000 I can't afford to.
00:20:42.000 Your soy points are too high.
00:20:44.000 Yeah, I'm like teetering on it.
00:20:46.000 The way I view Teslas is the way I view like a massive pickup truck, where it's like, I don't want to drive it, but I want to have friends who have one.
00:20:53.000 You know, I want to be able to drive in the big truck, drive in the Tesla, but I don't want to own it myself.
00:20:57.000 It's a good way to look at it.
00:20:58.000 Yeah.
00:20:58.000 Yeah.
00:20:59.000 I don't know.
00:20:59.000 It's just like, yeah, I'll be out in a little bit.
00:21:01.000 I got to like charge my car.
00:21:02.000 Yeah.
00:21:03.000 Yeah.
00:21:04.000 We need to like solar power, some form of like hypervoltaic.
00:21:07.000 Yeah.
00:21:07.000 If I didn't have to charge it, that would be, I would, you know, I would like it.
00:21:11.000 Hypervoltaic.
00:21:12.000 That's a good one.
00:21:14.000 Yeah.
00:21:14.000 Yeah.
00:21:15.000 That would be like super thin filament.
00:21:18.000 Graphene layered solar paneling.
00:21:21.000 The whole car could be built out of something like that.
00:21:23.000 Yeah.
00:21:24.000 Technically, your hat could be built out of something like that, but that'd be cool to have cars that just charge your cell phone with your hat.
00:21:30.000 Yeah.
00:21:30.000 Yeah.
00:21:30.000 There was a hat with your cell phone.
00:21:33.000 He made sunglasses that had like a solar panel on top of the sunglasses that flipped up and he could charge his phone off of it.
00:21:33.000 I did a thing.
00:21:40.000 Dude, he could get 1% in like four hours, but yeah.
00:21:43.000 Yeah.
00:21:44.000 It's the age of super thin materials, man.
00:21:44.000 It was still cool.
00:21:46.000 When we, if we can, that's the real, I think, the stock.
00:21:49.000 In Britain, they're trying, they were rolling out like a 11 mile or 12 mile.
00:21:53.000 Run of freeway where the road would charge the car as it drove over it.
00:21:57.000 And that was like 10 years ago, they were experimenting with that.
00:22:00.000 But that means you got to retrofit all the roads.
00:22:02.000 I think it would be cheaper to build the cars.
00:22:04.000 Well, you could take them off road and they'd still charge.
00:22:06.000 Speaking of experiments, Pete Hegseth is experimenting with sort of what's really an old, archaic almost way of execution, which is the public execution.
00:22:16.000 And this has been well received by a lot of people online.
00:22:20.000 I'm still fielding my people that are maybe not as online to see how they feel about this.
00:22:24.000 They're a little bit more like, oh, that's.
00:22:26.000 Pretty strange.
00:22:28.000 JD Vance has weighed in here.
00:22:29.000 This was off of the Axios wire.
00:22:31.000 JD Vance says he won't watch live stream execution of Fort Hood shooter.
00:22:37.000 This is interesting stuff.
00:22:39.000 And this is just very straightforward.
00:22:40.000 He said he won't watch a potential live stream.
00:22:42.000 Now that he says, whatever the controversy is about the method of execution, I hope that people don't forget that this is a guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people.
00:22:51.000 Now that said, I mean, look, if it's all through live stream, I'm not going to be watching it.
00:22:57.000 Kind of an interesting position.
00:23:00.000 Usually you would assume he's going to go to bat for this idea.
00:23:04.000 Obviously, Hegseth is defending his idea.
00:23:08.000 Tom Tillis, who has been counter signaling the admin a lot recently, condemned plans to make the execution public, saying Hassan should face the death penalty.
00:23:17.000 He's talking about the Fort Hood shooter, not the Twitch stream.
00:23:20.000 I thought it was who he was talking about last night.
00:23:22.000 I was like, don't like the guy.
00:23:24.000 That's a little harsh, I think.
00:23:25.000 That's a little bit of a let's ban him. 0.61
00:23:28.000 First, anyway, but making his execution public and streaming it beyond disgusting public executions are what oppressive dictatorships like Iran and Afghanistan do.
00:23:36.000 It should not be happening in America.
00:23:39.000 John Curtis doesn't like it, so it's like a lot of the typical suspects you would assume don't like it.
00:23:44.000 And then, once again, a lot of the typical suspects that support it are also supporting it.
00:23:49.000 Rep Andy Ogles says, excellent public execution is what this terrorist deserves.
00:23:53.000 We will be watching.
00:23:55.000 What do you guys think?
00:23:56.000 Let's get into JD Vance's head here.
00:24:00.000 My initial knee jerk is he just hadn't really prepared a response for this question.
00:24:04.000 Which is kind of crazy because it's been long enough.
00:24:07.000 So I think he just doesn't want to sound like a psycho and be like, I'm going to be watching it.
00:24:07.000 Yeah.
00:24:10.000 It's going to be awesome.
00:24:11.000 Eating popcorn.
00:24:11.000 Yeah.
00:24:12.000 But then also, like, this response is like weird too.
00:24:12.000 Yeah.
00:24:14.000 It's like, you know, it's just either way, probably not a great answer you could give to this.
00:24:19.000 Well, did it say what the actual question was?
00:24:22.000 Did they say, are you going to watch it or did he offer up that information voluntarily?
00:24:26.000 Because if they asked him directly, then I guess I'll cut him some slack on that one.
00:24:29.000 Yeah.
00:24:30.000 I don't know.
00:24:31.000 I mean, I think the response should have just been like, oh, he was evil. 0.98
00:24:34.000 Like, just execute him. 0.99
00:24:35.000 And then, yeah. 0.96
00:24:35.000 Also, Tom Tillis being like, America would never have public executions. 0.96
00:24:40.000 It's like, we totally did.
00:24:41.000 Yeah, we did until like six years ago.
00:24:42.000 What are you talking about?
00:24:43.000 Yeah.
00:24:44.000 And everyone liked it.
00:24:45.000 It's just not normal anymore.
00:24:47.000 And so people, I think, like have an aversion to it.
00:24:49.000 And then I also think that people just like have an aversion to the actual thing, but it's just not mainstream.
00:24:53.000 Like for the longest time, for forever, people were watching public executions.
00:24:56.000 They were watching like blood sports for fun.
00:24:59.000 And like, they literally were watching people just die for like sport.
00:25:04.000 And that was not unusual.
00:25:05.000 And now all of a sudden people are, you know, getting queasy when we want to just execute this terrorist.
00:25:10.000 And it's like, I don't know.
00:25:13.000 Well, you said like these things hang out on like hills and like watch wars happen.
00:25:17.000 That was like the thing you would do on the weekend.
00:25:19.000 Yeah, gladiator man, they used to show up and uh eat popcorn stuff while it was like it was a whole production, yeah.
00:25:28.000 They didn't televise it though, that's the big difference.
00:25:31.000 The age of TV is a little like it'll be recorded if they do it forever, it will be remembered.
00:25:38.000 Six year olds will watch it, four year olds will see it, and they'll think it's normal and they'll be like, oh, cool.
00:25:42.000 Or some of them might be like, watch it a thousand times and just watch the way he does it.
00:25:46.000 It could create serious psychopathy in the human mind.
00:25:50.000 And the strongest, most powerful, most supposedly ethical country on the planet.
00:25:54.000 About to show everyone some horror is like, I'm totally with not broadcasting it.
00:26:00.000 I'm down with killing this dude if he deserves it, but I've been struggling like the last 20 years.
00:26:05.000 I'm so glad JD, of all people, that he was the guy that said something and he's not the commander, so he can't order the stand down or he can't change. 0.99
00:26:13.000 Like Trump could do it.
00:26:14.000 I think JD's gonna watch it.
00:26:16.000 What's that?
00:26:16.000 I wonder if Trump's gonna like go.
00:26:18.000 He's gonna walk in like at the UFC match, yeah, and there's gonna be like all this fanfare.
00:26:23.000 He's gonna make it somehow about himself.
00:26:25.000 You want to put a bleachers up, have like.
00:26:27.000 Kid Rock, do like.
00:26:28.000 Dude, Kid Rock's going to be doing like the opener and they're going to roll him out because the guy's a paraplegic. 0.97
00:26:33.000 Oh, it's so brutal. 1.00
00:26:34.000 I mean, what he did kind of doesn't make me feel bad for him, to be honest, but like it is the image of it is pretty shocking.
00:26:42.000 Yeah, like we really haven't seen an image. 0.79
00:26:44.000 And like, if the US goes through with a public execution, then the Russians are going to do it and the Chinese are going to show it. 0.68
00:26:50.000 And then it's going to be someone that you are like, oh no, why are they killing that guy? 0.88
00:26:54.000 He spoke out against the Communist Party, but they're like, well, public executions are a normal thing to do now, everyone.
00:26:59.000 North Korea will do it.
00:27:00.000 And like, I don't want to set that chain reaction off.
00:27:03.000 I think it's abhorrent to celebrate murder or death.
00:27:06.000 It's not murder, it's illegal killing.
00:27:07.000 But it's not a celebration.
00:27:08.000 I mean, the people that North Korea kills usually, like, it's not the same type of guy that we would be executing.
00:27:15.000 This guy murdered a bunch of Americans. 1.00
00:27:18.000 He's a total psycho. 1.00
00:27:20.000 I would make that distinction in the comparison. 0.97
00:27:23.000 I also want to plug the Daily Call really quick because it's actually kind of, kind of did this.
00:27:28.000 Our former defense reporter, he was the one that was, uh, Bringing it up to Hegseth repeatedly being like, This guy's on death row.
00:27:35.000 When are you guys going to execute him?
00:27:36.000 Six months later, they're going to execute him.
00:27:39.000 I thought you were about to say you guys executed your defense report.
00:27:41.000 Well, that's what I said.
00:27:42.000 Well, I was like, Wait, if you broke the story, I feel like you should get like.
00:27:47.000 Serve the punishment.
00:27:48.000 You should like, I don't know, get like tickets or something.
00:27:50.000 It's just going to give you front row seats.
00:27:52.000 I am open to like making it a closed circuit public event.
00:27:56.000 Like a public execution just means people can come watch, but not necessarily televised.
00:28:00.000 That's different from.
00:28:01.000 Like immortalizing it is what you have.
00:28:03.000 Yeah, it'll be used as propaganda if they do that, like terrorist propaganda for 20, 30, 40 years of like, look at these, this is what we're up against, this is what we're up against.
00:28:11.000 Well, that's what some people were talking about.
00:28:13.000 They're saying that, like, this kind of strain of like Islamic terrorism, you know, jihad or whatever, that they, like, they want to be martyred.
00:28:21.000 Like, this to them is kind of like the end goal.
00:28:24.000 A lot of these, like, terrorists already are intending to, like, commit suicide in some sort of dramatic fashion to, like, really, that's, like, round out, I guess, the attack.
00:28:34.000 And so.
00:28:35.000 Yeah, like I've kind of seen some of that conversation on X.
00:28:38.000 I don't know if I'm totally convinced by it, but I guess it's, I don't know, it's worth thinking.
00:28:42.000 It's a compelling point because, I mean, you know, you don't want to give them what they want.
00:28:42.000 Right.
00:28:45.000 Yeah.
00:28:46.000 And like firing squad is kind of a cool way to go out where you should go for like max humiliation.
00:28:50.000 Well, not to mention like he's already a paraplegic.
00:28:53.000 I feel like living the rest of his life as a paraplegic would probably be worse.
00:28:58.000 Well, he's got to go.
00:28:59.000 I mean, there's a cosmic limit.
00:29:00.000 Yeah.
00:29:00.000 Like we don't need him.
00:29:02.000 Additionally, but yeah, there should be like an embarrassment factor. 0.99
00:29:05.000 I mean, this is like what Singapore does with the canings. 0.99
00:29:07.000 I mean, you're like screaming and crying like a baby. 1.00
00:29:09.000 It's like that's a pretty embarrassment.
00:29:10.000 So getting, you know, firing squad is kind of like a cool way to go out. 0.99
00:29:14.000 I think, especially if you're like a.
00:29:16.000 Terrorist guy like this, that's probably like the best case scenario to go out on TV and everyone's like, oh yeah, check me out.
00:29:21.000 What if he screams some religious thing, some Islamic religious thing, right before they get him and he becomes this immortalized hero, like Che Guevara? 1.00
00:29:28.000 You know, like fuck that. 1.00
00:29:29.000 They should put him in a diaper and roll him around, cover him in like peanut butter. 1.00
00:29:34.000 Like a Quran expert that finds out what would be the worst thing for him. 1.00
00:29:39.000 Yeah, spray him with some like blood or something. 1.00
00:29:41.000 I don't want to torture the guy, but just to be honest.
00:29:45.000 That's not torture.
00:29:46.000 It's just like, well, you killed like 12 of our guys, so now we're even.
00:29:49.000 Yeah.
00:29:50.000 That's not even even, but like from their perspective, like preventing Narda demos.
00:29:54.000 Yeah, I'm just like, how do you, like, how would you actually disincentivize any of this stuff from happening? 0.92
00:30:00.000 And in their religion, it's like, I think that sends you to hell or whatever.
00:30:03.000 So it's just like, okay, well, if you don't want to go to hell, then don't shoot your soldiers. 0.93
00:30:05.000 And don't, like, kill Americans.
00:30:07.000 Yeah.
00:30:08.000 It's like pretty straightforward, I would assume.
00:30:10.000 I mean, well, there were the stories during GWAT that they were, like, covering the sniper bullets and pig blood.
00:30:15.000 And apparently it was, like, this whole controversy.
00:30:18.000 But in this situation, I'm just like, well, this would be a pretty good deterrent.
00:30:21.000 I would assume.
00:30:23.000 Right.
00:30:23.000 In the past, you know, horror things they would do is like they would torture him to make a confession that what he did was wrong and denounce Islam and all that stuff and just torture the out of them until he does it.
00:30:34.000 And that's, I don't want that.
00:30:35.000 We've kind of gotten away from that.
00:30:37.000 I think you just do it in silence and then, and forget about it.
00:30:40.000 Like, oubliette that thing.
00:30:42.000 Like, put it away and it never, like, I don't know how it doesn't happen that often, you know?
00:30:47.000 I don't know.
00:30:48.000 I kind of feel like Vance should watch it.
00:30:49.000 I don't know.
00:30:50.000 Like, I don't want to.
00:30:52.000 Obviously, I can't dictate what the guy does, but just like from an optics perspective, like if you're the vice president, like if you're a member of the administration, like you kind of forfeit, you know, like you kind of forfeit the ability to be choosy in a situation like this.
00:31:06.000 I feel like symbolically it's important for the administration to kind of like send a message.
00:31:11.000 I don't necessarily, I kind of get what you're saying with like, you know, immortalizing it, maybe not, like, but he should be there, maybe, or like, go ahead.
00:31:18.000 Have you watched the executions?
00:31:21.000 Or do you ever watch people get killed?
00:31:21.000 No.
00:31:23.000 I personally, by the way, don't really plan on watching it.
00:31:25.000 I used to watch.
00:31:26.000 Bangedup.com back in like 2002.
00:31:28.000 And it was just talking about it.
00:31:30.000 It was like, dude, it was like, yeah, no, I was just like, a bunch of people getting killed.
00:31:34.000 And I would watch it over because I was like, if it happens, I should see, I should know, I should be witness to reality.
00:31:39.000 And it started to change me and mess me up.
00:31:40.000 And I realized, okay, you're not supposed to see everything that happens in the world.
00:31:44.000 You got to protect the human mind.
00:31:45.000 No, I agree.
00:31:46.000 I think I knew that before I had to go to someplace like Bangedup.com.
00:31:49.000 It took me a while.
00:31:51.000 I like figured that I was like born and I knew it.
00:31:53.000 Yeah.
00:31:54.000 It took me until.
00:31:56.000 I think when after October 7th and Israel was going into Gaza and killing, that was like three years ago.
00:32:04.000 That's when I realized, like, I don't need to watch it.
00:32:06.000 I was like, I don't need to watch it.
00:32:07.000 A second ago, yeah.
00:32:08.000 And people, I was like, what?
00:32:09.000 I want to watch all this stuff.
00:32:10.000 And they're like, don't do it to yourself.
00:32:12.000 There are people that are supposed to see it, and then there are people that aren't, and you're not one of them.
00:32:15.000 For like 40 years, you were just macro dosing like gore?
00:32:18.000 No, I was at Mines, the social network I co founded.
00:32:21.000 I was the admins.
00:32:22.000 I was one of the admins.
00:32:23.000 So I'd get the boost feed.
00:32:24.000 People want to boost their content on the website, and it would be this thousands of posts every day or hundreds or whatever.
00:32:29.000 It was like, this one's legal.
00:32:29.000 And I'd go in.
00:32:30.000 This one's a blown open body.
00:32:33.000 This one is okay.
00:32:34.000 This one's okay.
00:32:35.000 This one's racist.
00:32:36.000 Yeah.
00:32:36.000 In Minecraft.
00:32:37.000 And I would, it was warping, like mind warping, and not, not.
00:32:40.000 Sounds really bad for you, dude.
00:32:42.000 Rough.
00:32:43.000 How long were you doing that for?
00:32:43.000 Literally, I'd say.
00:32:45.000 Five years.
00:32:45.000 Dude.
00:32:46.000 Seven days a week.
00:32:47.000 It would take me like a half hour to be like, all right, I'm good.
00:32:51.000 That was it.
00:32:51.000 I'd have 100 in the queue, and it would take me 20 hours to get it done because I couldn't bring myself to do it.
00:32:56.000 I'd like, and I'd try to not watch, and I'm like, dude, that defeats the purpose.
00:33:00.000 I've got to see if it's legal and if it violates site terms.
00:33:03.000 That's my job.
00:33:04.000 But like, humans, I don't think, are really supposed to watch. 1.00
00:33:06.000 Dude, that's like worse than all of the women that are like obsessed with true crime. 1.00
00:33:10.000 That's like, I don't know why you itch. 1.00
00:33:12.000 You were trying to scratch.
00:33:14.000 It had to get done, so someone had to do it.
00:33:15.000 So I was the one cleaning up the pieces.
00:33:17.000 It was gross.
00:33:18.000 And the thing with the execution, too, it's not just whether he shows up, but also how he portrays himself.
00:33:23.000 Because if the argument for people who are okay with the execution occurring is just, it's like, okay, then this is an opportunity to teach people about that.
00:33:33.000 And so it's not that we're just celebrating.
00:33:36.000 It shouldn't be a celebration.
00:33:37.000 It shouldn't be like that in a vacuum.
00:33:38.000 It's like there is a sorrowful component.
00:33:41.000 It is really sad that this human, what they did, and that's how they fell.
00:33:45.000 You know, as a Christian, it's like this is someone like you want to pray about all this.
00:33:49.000 And so, you know, it's not just whether he attends, but how is he going to portray himself?
00:33:52.000 And would the admin, if they're going to go through with it, use it as an opportunity to show people, well, this is why.
00:33:57.000 Like, if we're going to do public executions, how do we distinguish ourselves from these other states?
00:34:02.000 It's like, oh, well, we have a lot better reasons why we're doing it.
00:34:05.000 Yeah.
00:34:06.000 You don't want it to be like, you don't want there to be entertainment value necessarily.
00:34:09.000 Yes.
00:34:09.000 Like, we're not going to take it.
00:34:12.000 Right.
00:34:12.000 Yeah.
00:34:13.000 And that's a decent chance that happened.
00:34:15.000 It's yeah, and that would be a little bit much, a little over the top.
00:34:18.000 It's just like it's a little gauche.
00:34:20.000 Um, but yeah, no, no, I agree.
00:34:22.000 Um, the worst that like I've been exposed to is like police body cam footage, but it's all censored, it's all on like YouTube, and that will stress me out after like 30 minutes.
00:34:30.000 But like, kind of like we were saying, it's like, well, someone's gotta do it, you know, gotta carry the boats, someone has got to carry the boats, and like it's good to, I guess, no, but like, I don't know about I mean, I'll watch one of those and I'll like go on a walk, like, the camera in my head.
00:34:45.000 I couldn't imagine five years straight of it.
00:34:47.000 It was rough.
00:34:49.000 And I thought, I was just like, I can handle anything.
00:34:50.000 I'm a human.
00:34:51.000 I can do anything.
00:34:52.000 It's like my thought process.
00:34:53.000 I can do it.
00:34:54.000 But like your body can only handle so much.
00:34:56.000 I used to play football, like flag football with my friends.
00:34:59.000 I would run.
00:34:59.000 I ran so fast one day that I tore my own MCL just running.
00:35:03.000 I'm like, you can push yourself and you think you can do it, but you can only, the body can only handle so much before it breaks.
00:35:10.000 And it's the same way with the mind, man.
00:35:13.000 True.
00:35:16.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:35:16.000 Sorry, Ryan.
00:35:18.000 I agree.
00:35:19.000 I think JD Vance is presidential material, man.
00:35:21.000 This is a huge, huge deal that he's got ethics when it comes to this.
00:35:26.000 And Pete Hegseth is a bloodthirsty killer, which is good because that's what you want is your top dog in the military.
00:35:31.000 But he's not the commander. 0.68
00:35:32.000 It's up to Trump.
00:35:33.000 And I hope Trump makes the moral call here.
00:35:35.000 I'm curious to know what Trump does because I feel like he's going to, like I said earlier, I feel like it's going to become a spectacle if he decides to go through with it.
00:35:45.000 That's kind of my concern.
00:35:46.000 You don't want it to turn into the freaking Hunger Games. 0.79
00:35:49.000 You want it to be. 0.79
00:35:51.000 A serious kind of like solemn but like necessary, you know, display to prevent this sort of thing.
00:35:58.000 That's kind of the idea.
00:36:00.000 If I remember from the Hegseth thing, it's going to be at Fort Hood at the moment that he conducted the shooting.
00:36:05.000 And I imagine the people carrying out the shooting have some attachment to Fort Hood.
00:36:09.000 I believe he said that it's going to be like service members killing the shooting.
00:36:15.000 Yeah.
00:36:15.000 Like that's what needs to be reiterated is like, no, this is this is like keep it clean and for us.
00:36:21.000 And we're letting you see this because you should like see this as Americans.
00:36:23.000 Understand what's going on, but like ultimately, this is for us and our feelings.
00:36:27.000 Yeah, like, is Fox gonna be having like a live feed?
00:36:30.000 Like, I don't understand like the logistics because we just haven't had this.
00:36:33.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:36:34.000 Is it gonna be on like Rumble?
00:36:36.000 I don't understand.
00:36:38.000 Is it on Facebook Live?
00:36:39.000 What do you mean it's going to be live streamed like on the White House Twitter?
00:36:42.000 I don't get it.
00:36:43.000 That'd be wild.
00:36:44.000 And then they're going to make velocity edits and everyone's going to get mad.
00:36:44.000 Like in between, like.
00:36:47.000 It's like.
00:36:48.000 Will there be ads?
00:36:49.000 There's going to be like hype edits of the.
00:36:50.000 300X execution.
00:36:52.000 It's terrible.
00:36:52.000 Yeah, I think.
00:36:53.000 My pillow ad on it.
00:36:55.000 Maybe Pete's philosophy is he wants to desensitize the world to violence because it's real and he has seen it and he wants the American people to like snap out of this comatose post Cold War.
00:37:07.000 Everything's candy canes and rainbows, everyone.
00:37:10.000 Just let them in the door.
00:37:12.000 And what can we're safe? 0.99
00:37:13.000 We're America, like he wants to, but you know, you can shock someone so bad that you accidentally kill them.
00:37:18.000 So you got to be careful with what you expose people to.
00:37:21.000 I think it's just test driving it because, like, so many people always say this that should be public executions and that sort of thing.
00:37:26.000 And now we finally did one, and it's kind of like a dog caught the car moment.
00:37:29.000 We're like, oh, okay.
00:37:31.000 So I think it's just like a test drive.
00:37:32.000 See, if people respond well to it, then you can keep doing them.
00:37:34.000 But if people are like, no, no, no, and JD Vance won't watch it, then maybe it's a one time thing, special edition.
00:37:40.000 Yeah, because I mean, without the context, it's unclear if JD Vance is saying, I'm.
00:37:44.000 Morally opposed to it, so I'm not watching it, or I'm not going to watch it because I don't know what other answer to give right now.
00:37:50.000 It's kind of unclear specifically what's going on.
00:37:53.000 I want to get to this story.
00:37:55.000 Rebecca, this is your domain, so I think you could probably flush this out a lot better.
00:37:58.000 But this came across my desk via you from the Daily Caller.
00:38:02.000 Virginia officials grant parole to dozens of rapists, murderers, and repeat violent offenders.
00:38:09.000 I mean, we're seeing these almost like cartoonishly evil.
00:38:14.000 Uh, moves by Spanberger, and every time I see it, I'm like, okay, well, this is just you know the right wing press.
00:38:19.000 And you like look in, she's actually doing all of these things.
00:38:21.000 No, it's all of these things.
00:38:22.000 No, so, so the story with this, I had been doing some reporting on this this week.
00:38:26.000 Basically, um, Virginia, obviously, new governor Abigail Spanberger, she comes in, and the parole board consists of five members.
00:38:34.000 Each, um, each governor can choose to appoint a new board. 0.99
00:38:38.000 She decided to fire all these are all the Youngkin people, she fired them all, and she replaced them with her five of her own parole board members. 0.99
00:38:44.000 And basically, what they do every month is they like review all the cases and decide whether or not. 1.00
00:38:48.000 Someone should stay in prison or if they should get released.
00:38:51.000 And I was looking through the parole decisions from August and September, and it's insane.
00:38:57.000 Like, dozens of violent criminals.
00:39:01.000 Like, it's not petty theft, it's people who were in jail for the things that you would assume.
00:39:05.000 There are six people that they paroled who were initially supposed to serve life sentences.
00:39:11.000 You know, like, life sentence doesn't even mean life anymore.
00:39:13.000 It means, oh, if you get lucky with the governor, then maybe she'll just kind of let you off the hook, or rather, her parole board will.
00:39:21.000 And it's insane.
00:39:22.000 There's a couple guys here who just like, if you'll read their rap sheet, it's, you know, it's some of the worst stuff.
00:39:29.000 And that some of the victims or like the family members of the victims will go to the parole board meetings and they're like, please don't release this person.
00:39:36.000 They, you know, murdered my relative or they, you know, assaulted, you know, like it's really, it's the most horrific stuff that you could imagine, probably whatever you're watching on that website.
00:39:44.000 It's like that.
00:39:45.000 And they're just letting them out, you know, they'll like, you'll read the justification.
00:39:49.000 They have, luckily, a box.
00:39:51.000 So on the spreadsheets, they have a box kind of explaining.
00:39:54.000 Why are they letting these people out?
00:39:56.000 And they said things like, oh, they had eventually sustained emotional and behavioral stability.
00:40:01.000 They said that they have a low risk score or whatever that means, or that they had been actively participating in faith and community programs in prison, and that they didn't have any infractions in the last 24 months or whatever.
00:40:15.000 And it's just like you're reading this and it's comical, like Tate said.
00:40:18.000 This is like a cartoonish type of evil, except it's right here.
00:40:23.000 It's in Virginia.
00:40:24.000 And this is just, it's been going on for several months now.
00:40:27.000 I think they were.
00:40:29.000 Appointed in March, I want to say.
00:40:31.000 And already they've just been, they've unironically been letting the worst criminals just back into Virginia communities.
00:40:38.000 Have any of these people committed crimes again?
00:40:42.000 Well, so this is from August and September.
00:40:44.000 So this is like just a couple weeks ago.
00:40:46.000 And so, up until then, obviously they weren't, but I haven't seen, I haven't followed with the reporting since then.
00:40:54.000 A lot of these people are hard to track down.
00:40:56.000 I was like trying to see if I can get in touch with any of the relatives, but because a lot of these crimes were committed in the 80s and 90s, like there's just no reporting available.
00:41:04.000 Like these people are difficult to follow.
00:41:06.000 The only place that they pop up is on the actual.
00:41:09.000 Like decisions that are released by the Virginia government that are like made public.
00:41:13.000 Like, this isn't information that we had to dig up and like, you know, and find.
00:41:16.000 This is like on the website.
00:41:17.000 You click on it and it says which parole board members voted and why.
00:41:22.000 And a lot of these decisions, five of the six people that were originally sentenced to life that were let out were voted to, were paroled unanimously by the board.
00:41:32.000 All five of them were like, it's fine.
00:41:34.000 Should be, it should be all right.
00:41:36.000 But the crime was 40 years ago.
00:41:37.000 Yeah.
00:41:38.000 So, like, I guess part of their reasoning is that they're geriatric or whatever.
00:41:42.000 But it's like, well, then.
00:41:44.000 You know, be geriatric in prison.
00:41:45.000 Like, I don't know, you got sentenced to life.
00:41:47.000 Like, that's what the life sentence is.
00:41:49.000 And so, I don't know, it's been really an insane thing for a lot of Virginia residents to live through because it's not just this, it's a ton of the soft on crime policies that's been really affecting the quality of life for people.
00:42:00.000 They do life or life without parole.
00:42:03.000 I think those are different, aren't they?
00:42:05.000 On the spreadsheet, it says life.
00:42:06.000 So, and then I guess they would be eligible for.
00:42:09.000 I've heard life without parole is, it can be a sentence.
00:42:11.000 Yeah, I don't know what the Virginia, but like.
00:42:14.000 Because some states have a life sentence, it's only like 15 years.
00:42:17.000 Yeah.
00:42:17.000 Right.
00:42:18.000 But I mean, it's just one of those things, like, on principle, like, it shouldn't be, you know, like, this shouldn't be a situation that you're like, this guy murdered a bunch.
00:42:26.000 Like, well, there's one guy that murdered his dad and then left the knife in his, like, head.
00:42:31.000 And they were like, it's, he's probably chilled out by now.
00:42:35.000 We just, it's like a complete misunderstanding of the point of prison.
00:42:38.000 Right.
00:42:38.000 And even insofar as, like, rehabilitation is not the point of prison, the point of prison is this person is unstable, unfit to be in society.
00:42:45.000 Even punishment, I mean, in the case of a murder, you're never going to get justice for that, right?
00:42:49.000 This person was taken away.
00:42:50.000 So, the main point of prison is just incapacitation.
00:42:53.000 This person is clearly unfit to walk amongst us.
00:42:56.000 They're dangerous, et cetera, et cetera.
00:42:58.000 Get them away.
00:42:59.000 Like, there's something fun.
00:43:01.000 If you're going to go to the lengths, you're going to kill someone, you're fundamentally broken as a human being. 0.99
00:43:05.000 You should be removed from polite society. 0.98
00:43:07.000 Removed from polite society.
00:43:08.000 That is the point.
00:43:09.000 And so, even the most gratuitous reading of what they're doing here, where they're like, let's just take them at their word and say, they truly believe these people are rehabilitated.
00:43:19.000 That is just off of evidence of them in a prison environment.
00:43:22.000 We have no example of how they operate outside of prison.
00:43:25.000 Who's to say, even if they're geriatric, who's to say because their mind is so just broken that they don't just fall right back into the same thing?
00:43:31.000 We see reoffense rates are quite high, especially in the United States.
00:43:35.000 But it's just fascinating to me how, in some instances, we have all this remorse for these geriatrics. 0.86
00:43:42.000 When they commit a crime as evil as this, but since they're old, we have this remorse and we're like, well, look, it's just a little old man.
00:43:48.000 But then in other instances, it's not the case.
00:43:50.000 You will see with, And this is good, by the way.
00:43:53.000 Like, I'm not necessarily opposed to this, but with Bill Cosby, people are like, you know, he's elderly, but no one felt bad for him.
00:44:00.000 They're like, this creepy old man, get him out of here.
00:44:02.000 Or the same thing when they find these like old Holocaust guards or, you know, these like SS soldiers and they're like in their 80s or 90s and they're hobbling around and they're like, I don't care that he's elderly.
00:44:11.000 Like, he's got to pay. 0.87
00:44:11.000 So it's like, as a society, sometimes we get annoyed that they're elderly and we can't like hold them to the full, you know, give them the full suffering that should, you know, prison should entail. 0.87
00:44:23.000 But then in other instances when they're old, Something is just weird in the American psyche where we actually don't view murder as that big of a deal. 0.62
00:44:30.000 Yeah.
00:44:31.000 And maybe to your point earlier, and like people maybe are desensitized, but there's like other crimes that people get more worked up over than murder, which is like literally the worst thing ever.
00:44:42.000 And a lot of the criminals who were eventually paroled committed a lot of those crimes that you're talking about.
00:44:49.000 It's not exclusively murder, it's some of the most horrific.
00:44:51.000 It's a cocktail, yeah.
00:44:52.000 Yeah, it's oh, these people have like up to 10, 15 different convictions, like violent convictions.
00:44:59.000 Again, it's not just petty stuff.
00:45:01.000 Like, sometimes you'll see something that's sprinkled in, but the vast majority of these guys were in jail for, or in prison for, like, really, really violent, not just, you know, not to say just murder, but like murder, slew of other things that I don't really want to talk about.
00:45:14.000 But yeah, it's, it's, you can go look for it, look at it yourself.
00:45:17.000 It's terrific.
00:45:17.000 Oh, I can?
00:45:18.000 Yeah.
00:45:18.000 I would love to see it all.
00:45:18.000 Oh, yeah.
00:45:20.000 I'll send it to you if you'd like.
00:45:20.000 Oh, yeah.
00:45:22.000 No, no, I believe you.
00:45:23.000 I take your word.
00:45:24.000 But this brings up a conversation about forgiveness and about, this is a conversation we had before.
00:45:29.000 I'd like to get your take on a two dozen is, is like, if you steal when you're eight, If you stole some MMs and then you're 60, are you still a thief?
00:45:37.000 I don't think so.
00:45:38.000 If you killed someone when you were 14 and now you're 70 and you've been like a saint and you've spoken for people's rights and activists and you've helped families through losing people for 50 years, are you still a murderer?
00:45:52.000 No, I don't think so.
00:45:53.000 The problem is if you're a thief, you can make amends for that.
00:45:57.000 You can do whatever that was worth.
00:45:57.000 You can pay.
00:45:59.000 If it was MMs, you can go and return the money that was stolen.
00:46:01.000 You can kind of fix it.
00:46:02.000 Or you can return the MMs.
00:46:03.000 You can fix it with certain crimes like rape, like murder.
00:46:07.000 You can't undo that.
00:46:08.000 The damage is done, and there's nothing you can do on earth that would ever sort of undo it.
00:46:13.000 That would level out the ledger there.
00:46:15.000 If you steal food and eat it, or if you steal money and spend it.
00:46:18.000 Like if you stole a head of lettuce, you can still go back and say, hey, that was worth $5.
00:46:22.000 Here you go.
00:46:23.000 And maybe even more, you know, if you want to like really say sorry.
00:46:25.000 But you can't do that if you murdered someone.
00:46:27.000 It's like, well, that person's not coming back.
00:46:27.000 It's like, here's 200 grand.
00:46:29.000 There's no, that's why a lot of people will say, you know, there's a civil suit that follows and they get a billion dollar payout.
00:46:35.000 You know, if their company, like something dropped on them or whatever, like a piano drops on them and they get a billion dollars from Yamaha.
00:46:40.000 But they're like, yeah, it's a billion dollars, but it's still not bringing back Johnny.
00:46:43.000 Yeah, but the MMs aren't coming back, Tate.
00:46:45.000 You can just pay for it.
00:46:46.000 You can poop them out, but they're done.
00:46:48.000 You can give money, but you can pay money for a murder, too.
00:46:50.000 But you can expunge the thievery from you by making justice.
00:46:55.000 That's the idea of justice.
00:46:56.000 There's some things that's impossible to have justice for on Earth.
00:46:59.000 Yeah.
00:46:59.000 Were you asking about the age difference with the, like, oh, the person commits the crime when they're eight and then now they're 60.
00:47:04.000 Were you asking because is there a certain point in your opinion at which you almost can't hold them accountable for something they did?
00:47:10.000 I tend to think, like, sometimes people will do something once and then.
00:47:14.000 There's a tendency to be like for the rest of their life, they will say they are that kind of person, even though they only did it one time when they were very young and had never done it since and actually are against that kind of stuff for their life.
00:47:25.000 And like, why would you call that person a thing?
00:47:28.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:47:29.000 And so people change.
00:47:31.000 And like, I don't like to say, like, to put people in a box and be like, no, you made a mistake.
00:47:36.000 Now you're doomed to live as that for the rest.
00:47:39.000 So that's just what I'm asking.
00:47:40.000 Well, I think these guys are like repeat offenders too, though.
00:47:42.000 It's like, as much as I want to be like, You know, charitable to people who are just who didn't make the right life choices and then you know have really been able to repent and whatever.
00:47:52.000 Like, I think, on in like a personal capacity, I think it's okay to forgive people in a setting like that, but just from a practical perspective, I think it's really irresponsible to like cut these sentences short because it's like there's just no way of knowing really.
00:48:06.000 Like, they could have exhibited all of the signs that you know they really are a remorseful, repentant person and that they're reformed and all these things, and then something could just you know, a flip could switch and something could they could go out and do the same thing or something worse.
00:48:20.000 And it's just not like practical from a societal perspective, in my opinion, to be empathetic in that way.
00:48:25.000 I think in a personal capacity, like if you were victimized or someone you know was, like I think that's fine to do that in that setting.
00:48:32.000 Like you'll see people who were victimized, like find it in, usually Christians, find it in and of themselves to like, to forgive their attacker.
00:48:40.000 And like that's great.
00:48:42.000 But I just don't think that you can copy and paste that on like a large scale.
00:48:45.000 Yeah, there's a difference.
00:48:46.000 I mean, it's just not doable.
00:48:48.000 Yeah, there's a difference.
00:48:49.000 And my mind instantly jumps to Erica Kirk, right?
00:48:52.000 And the forgiveness she was willing to extend.
00:48:55.000 And yeah, you have to separate the personal dimension from the role that.
00:49:00.000 The state plays in wanting to protect other people, like Tate is talking about.
00:49:03.000 You know, even if somebody forgives somebody else for an offense done, you still have to take into account okay, but is that person going to change?
00:49:10.000 Have they changed?
00:49:10.000 Have they repented?
00:49:11.000 What is their effect going to be on the society?
00:49:14.000 Because if it's still going to be super bad, then obviously you have to do something about it.
00:49:18.000 And that's why these institutions, you know, exist in the first place.
00:49:20.000 I don't even want to take the risk.
00:49:22.000 You know, it's like, I don't even want to roll the dice on this stuff.
00:49:24.000 Like, I've been so radicalized by the crime, just like living in D.C., it's like, Constant, it's everywhere, like even the petty stuff really gets to me.
00:49:33.000 It's like, we honestly don't think that we're being harsh enough, like at all.
00:49:37.000 That's how authoritarian creeps in.
00:49:39.000 They let the society, yeah, they let crime come, and then they tell you the solution is let us have more control of, and then people be like, please put flock cameras and all this control.
00:49:50.000 Like, I just think that we should at least enforce the existing penalties, we should enforce the law as it at least exists.
00:49:57.000 Like, we don't really do that.
00:49:58.000 DC has such a low prosecution rate.
00:50:00.000 And it's, it totally like ruins the quality of life.
00:50:03.000 It's the nation's capital.
00:50:04.000 It's like, I shouldn't have to worry about using the public transportation or like getting mugged or getting assaulted because I like dared to go out with my friends like past sun, like sundown.
00:50:13.000 You know what I mean?
00:50:14.000 It's like, there's some, there's just certain things that like I actually don't really want to compromise on.
00:50:20.000 Like, again, personal capacity, if you find it in yourself to forgive somebody who wronged you or attacked you or like, you know, did something horrific, I think that's like really admirable.
00:50:31.000 But I just don't think that that's, Practice, maybe it's just because I'm a woman, but like I don't think it's practical.
00:50:35.000 Forgiveness doesn't mean letting people go, Scott free.
00:50:37.000 Like, if someone's threatening me and constantly, and I'm like, please stop, please stop, and they keep doing it, I'll say, you don't understand what you're doing, but I'm gonna have to retaliate if you don't stop.
00:50:46.000 And then if they do it again, I will destroy them, and then I will forgive them for what they did.
00:50:51.000 I won't hate them for it, but they must be gone because they can't, it's disrupting. 0.91
00:50:56.000 I can't let that continue, but I still forgive them for they didn't know, but so I'm not gonna harbor hatred, but that.
00:51:03.000 So, it's not about are they in prison, are they not?
00:51:05.000 Like, if they need to go, they need to go.
00:51:07.000 But if these people are legitimately like worth a chance, maybe 40 years of learning and dealing with what they did, maybe, I mean, it's like a case by case basis.
00:51:19.000 Well, I guess to Rebecca's point, and I understand what you're saying, I just think like people aren't in the mood right now to sort of be in this like introspective.
00:51:28.000 Well, because crime's so out of control.
00:51:29.000 You can't really afford to do that right now.
00:51:31.000 And it's not violent crime is actually down, which is quite interesting when people find that out.
00:51:31.000 Yeah.
00:51:36.000 But it's this like, Underlying level of danger that is still persistent in America.
00:51:40.000 It feels like it gets worse every year because there's so much disorder.
00:51:42.000 And to your point, this was something Amber Duke over at the Daily Club was talking about when the flock camera debate was kicking off.
00:51:49.000 She was saying, Look, if the police have demonstrated that they're doing everything they can and crime is still continuing to go up, then we can have a conversation about flock cameras.
00:51:58.000 But her point was, We're not even pursuing these people.
00:52:03.000 We're not throwing the book at them, certainly, but we're not even doing the basic law enforcement.
00:52:07.000 You can. 0.95
00:52:09.000 You can jerk off on the subway and nothing is going to happen. 0.99
00:52:11.000 Yeah, you can antagonize people constantly. 0.97
00:52:14.000 There's a lot of minor behaviors that just totally ruin it for everybody.
00:52:23.000 And it's like it's overlooked, you know.
00:52:25.000 And it's super like I remember last year there was the video of the guy on the metro.
00:52:31.000 He like mugged some guy, he ripped some guy's Canada goose jacket off of him.
00:52:35.000 It's stuff like that.
00:52:36.000 It's just like, I'm like, actually, I don't know.
00:52:39.000 I think you should go to jail.
00:52:40.000 And it's like, so it enrages me so much.
00:52:43.000 It's like there's plenty of people who want to just live a normal life and want to live in a high trust society and not have to worry about getting their winter jacket ripped off their body by some like 16 year old in a ski mask on public transportation.
00:52:55.000 That also happened to jump the turnstile.
00:52:56.000 It's like, yeah, just to add insult to injury, they also didn't pay for the metro.
00:53:00.000 It's just so outraging.
00:53:02.000 And it's, yeah, I'm kind of at the point where it's like, I want to be where you're at, but I'm just not.
00:53:08.000 I live in the woods, so I'm a little bit.
00:53:10.000 That probably helps.
00:53:10.000 That probably is why.
00:53:12.000 That's a huge palate cleanser.
00:53:13.000 If I was surrounded by watching people commit crimes unfettered and like violent crime too, not just like stealing, I don't, yeah, I'm not, stealing can be considered violent depending on what you're stealing.
00:53:22.000 But it's like, it's, it's, it's the overall disorder, right?
00:53:25.000 Everyone just feels like everything is getting worse, and that's true.
00:53:28.000 Like everything is getting dirtier and worse.
00:53:29.000 More dangerous, even if you're not worried about getting murdered, right?
00:53:32.000 It's still like everything is just the quality of your surroundings, your environment is getting worse.
00:53:37.000 And this is why this totally neutralizes the ability of the state for these releases to have any power.
00:53:45.000 Insofar as maybe this person that was released truly has turned their life around, and maybe there is an argument, maybe the people that were victimized have forgiven them, and there's an argument for rehabilitation and letting them out of prison.
00:53:57.000 The problem is they fail to enforce the law at any level, certainly at the lower levels, they fail to enforce it.
00:54:03.000 So, right, people are right.
00:54:04.000 Skeptical that they're actually releasing these people and they truly have, you know, turned their lives around.
00:54:10.000 Again, if the government had, like, was, you know, 100% track record or a really good track record on law enforcement administering fair sentences, et cetera, then people probably wouldn't care that much if someone that's been in jail for 40 years and their geriatric gets released a few years early.
00:54:25.000 Probably wouldn't even be a news story.
00:54:27.000 But the reason why this kind of stuff enrages people is because we're not in an environment of, like, law enforcement.
00:54:32.000 We're not in an environment where people feel like justice is being carried out.
00:54:36.000 Certainly consistently because middle class people, you're getting popped with speeding tickets all the time. 0.72
00:54:40.000 When I drive through Washington, D.C., probably once a month, I'm getting an automated traffic ticket. 0.99
00:54:47.000 That's all their revenue.
00:54:48.000 That's all their revenue.
00:54:49.000 And so I'm getting popped as a good to do, well to do citizen.
00:54:53.000 I don't even have any missed to me, nothing.
00:54:54.000 I think I have a traffic ticket on my record.
00:54:57.000 I'm getting popped every month because I rolled a stop sign or something because these automatic cameras are pinging it.
00:55:03.000 And I'm driving past homeless tents and people peeing on the sidewalk.
00:55:08.000 And people are antagonizing families. 0.96
00:55:11.000 It's ridiculous. 0.92
00:55:11.000 It's just unbelievable. 0.92
00:55:12.000 So I'm just sitting here and I'm like, I'm the one getting harassed by the government.
00:55:17.000 And these people are getting a free ride.
00:55:18.000 So that's why, not to kick a dead horse here, but when the whole flock camera thing kicked up, that pissed me off because I was like, whoa, hang on.
00:55:25.000 This is just, if this is going to be anything like law enforcement has been in this country, certainly in major cities for the last 10 years, I'm just going to get jaywalking tickets.
00:55:34.000 The flock camera catches me walking across the sidewalk. 1.00
00:55:37.000 And these delinquent, slack jawed derelects who are just committing these low level crimes at all times. 1.00
00:55:42.000 Harassing me, making no one, you know, everyone feels unsafe. 1.00
00:55:45.000 They're like literal crazy psychopaths. 0.99
00:55:48.000 They get to conduct business as usual. 1.00
00:55:49.000 Nothing happens.
00:55:50.000 So, yeah, like you'll get a ticket if you enjoy a bottle of wine with your friends to the park on a nice summer afternoon.
00:55:56.000 But like if someone's fent folding, right, like 10 feet away from you, they like nobody does anything about it.
00:56:01.000 It's like this, like it's that, it's that gap that really, it's just like, again, it's the quality of life thing.
00:56:06.000 It's like you can't just be, you could be a totally normal, well intentioned person living life and still get hit with tickets for like random crap that like just shouldn't be.
00:56:15.000 You know, it's not stuff you should be getting in trouble for, or they're like kind of twisting the law as it's written to, you know, basically just make more money off of normal people who didn't actually do anything wrong, but they know that they're, since they're normal, they're actually going to pay the ticket.
00:56:28.000 That's the sort of stuff that, like, just really grinds my gears.
00:56:32.000 I hate it.
00:56:32.000 The extraction of wealth is annoying.
00:56:34.000 The legal system targeting people that they know can pay the ticket, or that letting prisoners out because they're too expensive to hold in prison.
00:56:41.000 I don't know if that's a calculation when they're paroling people, but I thought that DC had been, over the last year or so, since the National Guard was unleashed, a lot.
00:56:49.000 Less crime and that crime had been going down.
00:56:52.000 I mean, it's better, but it's still at the end of the day of an American city.
00:56:55.000 And American, for whatever reason, the United States just has like an inability to make our cities feel safe.
00:57:01.000 It's because we leave it to the citizen to protect themselves in this country.
00:57:05.000 That's like the primary function. 0.80
00:57:06.000 I don't even know if that's, I don't think these blue cities necessarily are like Second Amendment purists and they're like all the civilian. 0.86
00:57:12.000 Because if you defend yourself in a lot of these cities, they'll actually take it out in you. 0.62
00:57:16.000 Like, infamously, there was one in New York City where the guy shot him in the back.
00:57:19.000 So he went to jail and the home intruder got off.
00:57:22.000 Because you have a duty to retreat or whatever.
00:57:25.000 Which is absurd.
00:57:26.000 So I think it's actually the opposite problem in these cities is that they don't expect the civilians to take care of themselves, which I, as an American, I'm uncomfortable with, but I'd be like, okay, that must mean the police are doing a bang up job, right?
00:57:37.000 No, that's one of the cases.
00:57:38.000 People see the cases where people like Daniel Penny or whoever else do stand up and then things don't go well.
00:57:43.000 So it's like, well, why would I put myself out there?
00:57:46.000 Right.
00:57:46.000 Yeah.
00:57:47.000 Even in DC, like, I'm not to be like, you know, not to be a woman about it, but just like from a female perspective, our options are so limited in terms of self defense.
00:57:55.000 Like, Even if you manage to obtain a concealed carry license after you've like proven that your life is in danger and taken all these classes and all these things, jump through all these hoops, which none of the people who carry guns illegally and irresponsibly have to go through, then it's like by the time that rolls around, you can't actually carry it anywhere that it matters.
00:58:15.000 Like, because there's all these weird jurisdictional issues about like federal property and all these things.
00:58:19.000 You can't take it on the metro, which is like definitely one of the hot spots.
00:58:22.000 Like, it's one of the most unavoidable ways that people interact with crime daily or like regularly because obviously people just, you know, Take the metro and they get around the city and they just hop off the green line and like literally steal your Canada Goose jacket. 0.96
00:58:37.000 I remember there was like, we would get crime alert notifications of like shootings at the metro because people would be carrying, you know, firearms illegally and they're obviously morons and they don't know what they're doing. 0.58
00:58:48.000 But then it's like, if I want to be in a situation where, God forbid, I'd have to protect myself, that's illegal. 0.96
00:58:53.000 I would potentially be reprimanded for that.
00:58:55.000 And like, and you get on the metro and you see some like large woman, some large security guard with a gun on her waist and you're like, My odds of death have just got like tripled.
00:59:05.000 It's like this girl's probably going to shoot me or someone's going to take her gun off her waist. 0.99
00:59:09.000 It's stuff like that that people interact with on a regular basis that is like so black pilling, unfortunately. 0.99
00:59:14.000 And it's all happening in the nation's capital just to make it a little bit worse. 0.86
00:59:17.000 But yeah, and it's like, okay, you know, people respond and say, well, this is why you get out of the cities.
00:59:22.000 And it's like, I think America should have these people who are not in the cities.
00:59:25.000 Like, I mean, I get if you have a bone to pick with cities, but, you know, and Europe, as bad as things have gotten there, their city centers are still quite nice.
00:59:25.000 Yeah.
00:59:25.000 Yeah, man, I'm trying.
00:59:33.000 You know, it's like this Radio Genoa slop on Twitter where they're like, France has fallen. 1.00
00:59:37.000 Oh, look at all these migrants. 1.00
00:59:39.000 And you go to central Paris, and it's quite nice. 1.00
00:59:41.000 It's certainly a lot better than American cities.
00:59:42.000 It's their suburbs or war zones.
00:59:44.000 But the point is, you know, at least the cities there still function to some degree.
00:59:50.000 Like, you don't feel like you're going to get your head sawed off walking around, you know, certainly some of these cities like Amsterdam or Berlin or Edinburgh is fantastic.
01:00:00.000 My point is, you know, American, especially American young people, because that's where a lot of the best jobs are, should at least have the option of living in a city and, once again, not being worried about.
01:00:10.000 You know, being victimized by crime every single day.
01:00:13.000 So, okay, yes, I get it.
01:00:14.000 It get out of the cities if that's your prerogative, but you know, some of us like to live in cities, you know, why because our ancestors had that option up until literally the 1960s and 70s, people could live in the city, and in many cases, the cities were actually safer than the countryside.
01:00:28.000 Uh, and you know, depending on which state you lived in, um, certainly not the case anymore.
01:00:35.000 And it's just it's these little erosions of your sovereignty as an American, as your liberty as an American.
01:00:41.000 Yes, your liberty isn't always eroded by the government, sometimes your liberty is eroded by government inaction, and crime is a great example where my liberty.
01:00:49.000 As an American, it is actually encroached upon by government inaction.
01:00:52.000 Their inability to effectively police the community actually makes me, it actually gives me less liberty to go about my life.
01:01:01.000 I can't go down certain streets.
01:01:02.000 There's neighbors.
01:01:03.000 I'm from Memphis.
01:01:04.000 90% of the city is basically a sundown town.
01:01:06.000 You know, sundown towns. 0.94
01:01:07.000 White people have sundown towns. 0.94
01:01:08.000 They're called Memphis. 0.99
01:01:09.000 They're called Detroit.
01:01:10.000 Like, we actually have real sundown towns in America.
01:01:12.000 It's called Baltimore.
01:01:14.000 Like, it's just unbelievable.
01:01:16.000 Something that's really interesting to think about is, you know, why is it the case that the Overwhelming majority of these large cities are Democratic run.
01:01:23.000 I mean, there's very few that have Republicans in office.
01:01:27.000 And then you compare that with the fact that everybody's moving out of the blue states and into the red states, largely speaking, and definitely since COVID.
01:01:35.000 And I think it's a reminder that a lot of people who maybe sit a little bit closer to where we might on certain political issues, especially with law enforcement and in response to crime, are typically the kinds of people who aren't as interested in obtaining power or running for office or things like that.
01:01:50.000 We see how power is exercised in a way.
01:01:53.000 That maybe repulses us or disgusts us, or that we don't like, or things are unjust.
01:01:57.000 And then that just scares us from it overall.
01:02:00.000 But it's like if we want to create these cities that are going to be very safe, they're going to put the safety of their citizens first, then people on our side, so to speak, loosely defined, those people need to be willing to run for office and really be the people making the change.
01:02:16.000 I think that's such a broad pattern we see across institutions as we have all these large institutions, and most people can see the problems with them, but we're the people who are willing to step up and actually.
01:02:27.000 Put themselves out there.
01:02:29.000 The Ben Franklin quote, I think I was just thinking about when you were talking is people that are willing to give up their freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety.
01:02:39.000 And I'm thinking about like AI observation, spy tech to protect like robot police, drone detection, and like scanning citizens to make sure that people aren't jaywalking.
01:02:51.000 Like at some point, you can deviate from the order.
01:02:53.000 I'm not going to ticket you for speeding five miles.
01:02:55.000 But if I see somebody getting mugged, I've got a drone right above hand.
01:02:59.000 Maybe it's even got a gun on it.
01:03:01.000 And I can just take care of the situation in seven seconds, and the person doesn't get mugged.
01:03:07.000 But if I get it wrong, that's part of the process, too.
01:03:10.000 But do you support that level of introduction of technological security?
01:03:17.000 Could you maybe re explain what you're saying?
01:03:19.000 Would you be down with robot cops?
01:03:22.000 I don't think I have a position on the spot about robot cops, per se.
01:03:26.000 But I do know that, like we were talking about earlier, at the minimum, people could agree to just enforcing what's already on the books.
01:03:34.000 Right.
01:03:35.000 Like, do we even need them?
01:03:36.000 We just need like normal cops to be allowed to do their jobs, I feel like.
01:03:40.000 And they can get killed and they can get arrested for killing the wrong thing at the wrong time.
01:03:40.000 There's not enough of them.
01:03:45.000 Like, they're on, since the Biden era, on edge about doing the wrong thing.
01:03:48.000 Like, there's not enough.
01:03:49.000 We just need to.
01:03:50.000 I get what you're saying.
01:03:51.000 I just, like, police need to be.
01:03:53.000 I was going to say the police just need to be allowed to do what they're hired to do, which is like enforce the law.
01:03:53.000 Exactly.
01:03:59.000 Albeit sometimes it'll be imperfect and in situations where it's warranted, like, yeah, you know, respond appropriately.
01:04:05.000 But, like, a lot of the, I think a lot of, What you're seeing is just hesitancy to enforce the law as it is because you don't want to get in trouble.
01:04:11.000 You don't want to become the next Derek Chauvin.
01:04:13.000 You don't want to, you know.
01:04:14.000 You don't want to offend people.
01:04:16.000 You don't want to get in trouble.
01:04:18.000 And that's handicapped law enforcement in a really impactful way.
01:04:22.000 And I don't think we have to resort to a bunch of predator drones just in Baltimore.
01:04:27.000 I don't think we really need that.
01:04:29.000 I think we just need a couple of good guys who are allowed to just get out there and do what they do.
01:04:35.000 Sure, maybe even more.
01:04:36.000 But you're probably seeing a lot of people are probably demoralized by just how limited law enforcement have been in the last years, like you described.
01:04:46.000 Two parts is that one is the law isn't always the right thing.
01:04:50.000 Sometimes laws can be evil and you're supposed to break them to do the right thing.
01:04:54.000 Like in Nazi Germany, for instance. 0.52
01:04:55.000 Yeah, or like disobey like speeding tickets.
01:04:58.000 Well, I don't know.
01:04:59.000 It's not as evil.
01:05:00.000 It depends on the situation.
01:05:01.000 Like if the government were to issue some evil law that says you've got to turn your neighbor in if they speak, you know, whatever, you violate that, you've done the good, you're the good guy in those situations.
01:05:09.000 And history will write you as the good guy because the tyrannical evil law.
01:05:12.000 So breaking the law can be very good sometimes.
01:05:15.000 It's just not usually, you know, ideally the laws are good and you have a balanced society.
01:05:19.000 So.
01:05:20.000 Just straight up enforce the law isn't necessarily the right thing.
01:05:23.000 That's why I'm concerned about having robot, like automated law enforcement.
01:05:27.000 Because if it's just by the book and you're like, bro, I had to run into the middle of the street to get the kid out, I know I blocked traffic and threatened a bunch of drivers, but like it was the right thing to do. 0.98
01:05:37.000 And if I get a ticket for that, I'm like, what in the fuck? 0.96
01:05:39.000 No, you need good cops that have good judgment that are allowed to, you know, exercise that judgment in like life or death scenarios sometimes. 0.99
01:05:46.000 Just like they should be like, I'm not worried necessarily about the vast majority of police's judgment.
01:05:51.000 Like the vast, vast, I would venture to say 99.99999%.
01:05:55.000 Of the police force, I totally trust them.
01:05:57.000 Like, I don't think that that's necessarily a problem.
01:05:59.000 It's just that, like, the crimes, like, the laws that aren't being enforced are not like evil laws.
01:06:07.000 It's just normal laws that are good that just they're just not allowed to enforce.
01:06:10.000 It's because also because they're sworn to protect the order, not the law.
01:06:14.000 They're quite disorderly out there.
01:06:14.000 It's order.
01:06:16.000 So if breaking up a horde of fentanyl addicts is actually going to cause a mob to riot and throw stuff, they're not going to do it because that will disorder.
01:06:16.000 Right.
01:06:25.000 Like, they don't want or they want to maintain order.
01:06:27.000 At what cost?
01:06:28.000 Sometimes it means they let people break.
01:06:29.000 The law, which is the weird thing about it.
01:06:31.000 Well, there's another like that's an that's in that specific situation.
01:06:34.000 Obviously, the prescription there is just to like bring back institutionalized, like, just give these people a place to go.
01:06:42.000 Like, that's not just like funded by some obscure NGO that gets unlimited money from the local government that like doesn't actually fix the problem.
01:06:49.000 Like, some of these people, like, that are severely addicted and severely troubled, unfortunately, like, do need to be held against their will in some capacity because it's like clearly they aren't capable of making the necessary life decision to stop.
01:07:03.000 You know, to correct their life, to course correct.
01:07:06.000 You mean like insane asylums or like whatever you want to call them? 0.99
01:07:09.000 Yeah.
01:07:10.000 Looney bins, rubber armadas.
01:07:12.000 My parents met at an insane asylum where they did a lot of things.
01:07:15.000 Wonderful things can happen.
01:07:16.000 I got married in the chapel there.
01:07:18.000 I think that's great.
01:07:19.000 Fallsview.
01:07:20.000 And that never would have happened today because now it's super low.
01:07:20.000 Really?
01:07:23.000 That's why the birth rates are low.
01:07:24.000 He was an orderly dude.
01:07:26.000 My dad would wrestle dudes off the ground.
01:07:27.000 No one's talking about that.
01:07:29.000 That's our third places.
01:07:30.000 We used to have third places like insane asylums where you could meet, have coffee, you know? 0.91
01:07:35.000 Yeah, we've lost that. 0.99
01:07:36.000 Dudes would chew on the leather straps to try and get out of the bed and stuff. 0.63
01:07:39.000 In the good old days.
01:07:40.000 I mean, now you've got to waste all this money on orthodontists.
01:07:42.000 Back in the days, chew on a leather strap.
01:07:44.000 Except for this one dude, and I hate to throw Joe under the bus, but my dad was saying this one patient, Joe, would just start gnawing on the wooden bedposts because he wanted to get out of the bed.
01:07:53.000 He'd be stuck and he'd just start chewing on it.
01:07:55.000 Yeah.
01:07:56.000 And that's sad.
01:07:58.000 Do you want him in the park where you're trying to take your kids?
01:08:01.000 That's what San Francisco is like.
01:08:02.000 Oh, I know.
01:08:03.000 It's like the Walking Dead.
01:08:05.000 I grew up 40 minutes from San Francisco and like.
01:08:08.000 People, I mean, I'm sure everybody knows this by now, but like if you, if you drive, if you dare to drive there with your own personal vehicle, people will leave the cars unlocked.
01:08:16.000 They'll put like pieces of paper in the window saying, there's nothing in my car.
01:08:19.000 It's unlocked.
01:08:20.000 Please don't break the windows.
01:08:21.000 I went to San Francisco in 2016.
01:08:23.000 I was, I was moving there and I parked my car, went in.
01:08:26.000 It was like right by Haight Ashbury.
01:08:27.000 I walked up, looked at the apartment.
01:08:28.000 I was like, oh, this is looking pretty, pretty nice.
01:08:30.000 15 minutes.
01:08:31.000 My window was shattered.
01:08:31.000 I walked out.
01:08:32.000 My backpack had been out exposed in my backseat, stupidly.
01:08:35.000 I should have had it covered, but like, And also, you shouldn't have to like cover your personal belongings.
01:08:41.000 Like, you shouldn't have to try and like disguise.
01:08:43.000 Yeah, like that's like some third world nonsense.
01:08:45.000 You shouldn't have to do stuff like that.
01:08:47.000 I wish it shouldn't have to.
01:08:49.000 It's human nature.
01:08:50.000 You know, I like, I would love that for someone else to protect me from human nature, but at what cost is always the question I ask.
01:08:58.000 It's a great example of your liberty being eroded by the government inaction.
01:09:01.000 Is like, I should have the liberty as an American to leave my belongings in my car and then they'll be there when I get back.
01:09:08.000 Like, that's.
01:09:09.000 That's, I think you're right as an American. 1.00
01:09:11.000 And that is being encroached upon by these fent heads. 1.00
01:09:15.000 Additionally, another place where we're seeing our liberty eroded by government inaction is this fascinating scoop that you have, Dusty. 1.00
01:09:24.000 And this was in the Washington Post.
01:09:25.000 Shout out to the Washington Post for running this story because this is a fantastic story.
01:09:28.000 Your company's charity list may have a political screen built in.
01:09:32.000 So, this is an example of you should have the liberty to donate to some sensible organizations.
01:09:37.000 This is all focused on the family in there.
01:09:38.000 Yeah.
01:09:39.000 Very innocuous.
01:09:40.000 Mm hmm.
01:09:41.000 Normal charity, but this company here, who I guess a lot of these charity reroutes utilize, has been blocking these great charities?
01:09:51.000 Yeah, so there's been a ton of talk, especially this year, about the Southern Poverty Law Center and the controversy there with the fraud and the federal indictment and people getting arrested who work there.
01:10:02.000 And so, what I tried to do in this piece is connect that abstract outrage story, which everyone's justifiably outraged about, to something that's more every day that affects millions of people in the country.
01:10:15.000 So, most people listening probably are aware of the Southern Poverty Law Center and that it has this so called hate list.
01:10:21.000 So, they keep a list of organizations that they deem, in their view, to be hateful.
01:10:25.000 The problem isn't that the list doesn't have any hateful organizations on it or extremist ones, it's that it's overly broad in nature.
01:10:32.000 And so, after the SPLC had essentially bankrupted the Klan, you have to start inventing hate in order to keep the money coming in.
01:10:40.000 And so, there's a lot of groups like Turning Point USA, Alliance Defending Freedom, Focus on the Family, Do No Harm.
01:10:47.000 Who are moms for liberty who are on this so called hate list?
01:10:51.000 Well, how does that impact millions of Americans?
01:10:53.000 It impacts them because there are over 200 major companies in the Fortune 1000 who are likely or potentially using that hate list to screen which nonprofits that the companies are willing to match their employees' donations to.
01:11:10.000 So, in other words, for a lot of large companies, they do a gift match program.
01:11:13.000 They say, hey, Tate, we will match dollar for dollar, whoever you give money to, up to $2,000 this year.
01:11:19.000 Great.
01:11:20.000 But they have to outsource that work of vetting because, of course, the company doesn't want to be complicit in gift matching to a nonprofit that's really some like foreign group that's just scamming money off Americans, right?
01:11:30.000 They have to go through all this process, a different, you know, OFAC and terrorist lists and whatever else.
01:11:36.000 And so in the piece, I'm really highlighting how the largest charitable giving platform in the world, Benevity, that's who hundreds of these major companies are using, Benevity was relying on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate list.
01:11:49.000 And then they tried to hide it.
01:11:51.000 And so, The two clear pieces of evidence were their internal global cause vetting document was obtained, and it shows that their in house list builds upon the SPLC's hate list.
01:12:05.000 Okay, so it doesn't consider it, it builds upon, meaning it's at the foundation of their system.
01:12:10.000 And if you go down later in the piece, I talk about their CEO, Kelly, former CEO, Kelly Schmidt.
01:12:14.000 And in her PowerPoint presentation, she was bragging about using the Southern Poverty Law Center's list.
01:12:19.000 And so this company, Benevity, they're processing billions of dollars in charitable donations a year to nonprofits in America.
01:12:27.000 And top recipients, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, but then anything that would be considered more centrist or libertarian or conservative or family advocacy based, a lot of those groups, again, like turning.
01:12:39.000 Like Turning Point USA, not allowed to give to, right?
01:12:42.000 So that's kind of the basis.
01:12:44.000 That's where the piece is coming from.
01:12:46.000 Fascinating stuff.
01:12:47.000 Well, I mean, I don't know if you can speak to this, but a few months ago, obviously, it had broken that the SPLC was sort of funding indirectly or directly groups that we would consider extreme, far right groups, and that sort of thing.
01:13:03.000 And to your initial point, when you kind of run out of extremism, maybe you have to invent some out of thin air.
01:13:09.000 So it's kind of curious.
01:13:10.000 Obviously, that was.
01:13:11.000 You know, this massive indictment and whatnot, the SPLC.
01:13:14.000 So it's kind of curious to see that simultaneously.
01:13:16.000 Once again, we're seeing the SPLC.
01:13:18.000 This isn't just like some list that doesn't affect us.
01:13:21.000 And this is only something that people in conservative media care about.
01:13:23.000 Once again, this is eliminating your ability as, you know, just a normal person, a normal American to donate to charities that you agree with because you don't even have the option.
01:13:31.000 When you go into this portal, they're not even available there.
01:13:33.000 And it's because of the SPLC, who on the same, you know, the same organization is funding the extremism that they're worried about.
01:13:40.000 Yeah.
01:13:40.000 They purportedly are the group that's, Countering, doing the most to counter extremism.
01:13:40.000 Yeah.
01:13:44.000 But then now it's come out that they're giving millions of dollars to these extremist organizations that actually do exist.
01:13:51.000 So they've had a credibility problem for a long time.
01:13:54.000 WAPO, to its credit, ran a piece years ago outlining this.
01:13:57.000 A ton of people have done so.
01:13:58.000 There's a really great SPLC expert, the leading SPLC expert, I think, no doubt, is Tyler O'Neill.
01:14:04.000 He's testified before Congress on this multiple times.
01:14:06.000 He wrote the kind of premier book, Making Hate Pay.
01:14:10.000 And so that's a really good resource.
01:14:11.000 But this cropped up again last year because The SPLC put Turning Point USA on its hate list last year.
01:14:20.000 And then they put out a hate watch thing about Charlie Kirk the month of the assassination.
01:14:26.000 And so there was an incident in 2012 at the Family Research Council office where there's a gunman who went in and shot it up.
01:14:33.000 And they did come to find out that the hate list was his inspiration.
01:14:38.000 And so there are connections you can make between the list and violence.
01:14:41.000 And so as that news came out about Turning Point being added to the hate list, which is absurd, and then as the federal indictment came out and they're funneling all the money.
01:14:49.000 This has certainly raised the temperature, so to speak.
01:14:53.000 But here's what's even more interesting, and I'm breaking this on the show.
01:14:55.000 I haven't told anybody else this yet.
01:14:58.000 In my piece, I made sure that everything was really well sourced, that it was really clear to people, and I couldn't link to Benevity's website because they were hiding this information and eventually deleted it.
01:15:07.000 So I did what any journalist would do I linked to the Wayback Machine, right?
01:15:10.000 I go, okay, it might be off the internet, but the internet's forever.
01:15:13.000 I'll go to the Wayback.
01:15:15.000 And so when the piece came out, that's fine.
01:15:16.000 My links are there.
01:15:17.000 You go to the Wayback Machine, all the documents we're talking about, it goes right to them.
01:15:21.000 You can see the Southern Poverty Law Center and Benevity's.
01:15:24.000 Documents and in the PowerPoint.
01:15:25.000 Now, in this piece, if you go and click on the links and it opens into the Wayback Machine, it says, Sorry, that URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.
01:15:36.000 What does that tell you?
01:15:38.000 Well, likely, potentially likely, it's the case that Benevity, instead of addressing the issue, they have contacted the Wayback Machine to remove the URLs.
01:15:48.000 Now, the internet is forever.
01:15:49.000 We have those documents.
01:15:50.000 There's still other ways to elevate this information.
01:15:52.000 But for us, when we're You know, exposing these intersecting interests for companies, the goal is always to be as constructive as possible.
01:16:01.000 So, for us, it's not about a, oh, we gotcha.
01:16:03.000 It's about, hey, Benevity, they have a new CEO, Soraya Alexander.
01:16:07.000 And it's like, you have this clear opportunity to demonstrate good leadership.
01:16:11.000 And for the sake of millions of people who are using these gift matching programs, to say, you know what?
01:16:17.000 We didn't really know what we were getting into when we included them in our methodology.
01:16:20.000 SPLC was kind of just like the hot thing to do for a while.
01:16:23.000 And it seemed like a good group because originally it did some good work, fighting the Klan and other extremists.
01:16:29.000 So, we didn't really know, but now we do.
01:16:31.000 And so, we're going to remove that filter entirely from our system.
01:16:34.000 That is the kind of action that we would like to see.
01:16:37.000 Did you contact them?
01:16:39.000 Yeah, so our organization made multiple attempts to contact.
01:16:43.000 Unfortunately, we're not able to talk to them.
01:16:45.000 We also launched a coalition.
01:16:46.000 This was the month after Charlie was assassinated with the various nonprofits who are unfairly placed on the list.
01:16:54.000 And so we wrote a letter with all the undersigned groups who are unfairly on the list, who've again been some of them victims of this violence, and just asking them hey, like charitable giving.
01:17:05.000 Should be transparent.
01:17:06.000 It should be viewpoint neutral.
01:17:08.000 Like if people are able to give to Planned Parenthood, certainly they should be able to give to Turning Point USA.
01:17:13.000 So it was just really, really interesting to see their lack of response.
01:17:18.000 But fortunately, there have been a lot of major companies responding.
01:17:22.000 So in my role, I also get to take the research we do into the boardroom.
01:17:26.000 We get to talk to corporate secretaries and directors and investor relations executives.
01:17:31.000 And so we walk through this issue.
01:17:33.000 And in most cases, the companies don't know about any of this or are loosely familiar.
01:17:38.000 But to their credit, when we walk through it, they go, Oh, yeah, that's terrible.
01:17:42.000 We should do something about it.
01:17:43.000 So, in the past year of having these a few dozen meetings with companies about it, there's around 10 major companies who have made the decision to turn off the filter.
01:17:52.000 This is like the metaphor of AI I would use they wrote the code, you went in and did a code review, and you're like, Hey, there's a bunch of bugs.
01:18:00.000 Now they're fixing the bugs, they're patching the bugs.
01:18:02.000 Yeah.
01:18:03.000 And it's even companies you wouldn't really think would have that the most appetite.
01:18:07.000 I mean, there's certain companies you think of, you're like, Oh, that company's maybe more in the middle or more right wing.
01:18:11.000 But it's all across the board.
01:18:13.000 So, you know, some of the companies who had courageously, you know, turned off the filter Salesforce, Microsoft, American Express, NVIDIA.
01:18:21.000 So, there's a lot of these big companies, and it doesn't really matter the industry.
01:18:24.000 I mean, for the executives, if you can really walk through, you have your ducks in a row.
01:18:28.000 We've been encouraged to see the progress.
01:18:31.000 But, you know, on our website, 1792exchange.com, we have a separate, you know, database or hub that outlines the issues with SPLC and Benevity.
01:18:40.000 There's other charitable giving platforms too.
01:18:43.000 And there's a page, it's how companies have responded.
01:18:46.000 And so we'll say, oh, here are the companies who have turned off the filter.
01:18:50.000 Here are the ones who said it's not on.
01:18:52.000 They were able to prove it's not on.
01:18:53.000 Here are the companies who haven't responded.
01:18:55.000 But again, the goal is always to be well informed, to have the facts, and then to be constructive because we do think that, at least for a decent amount of executives, yeah, they don't want to politicize charitable giving.
01:19:06.000 They have bigger problems to worry about.
01:19:09.000 Oh, I'd rather that they fix the system than get boycotted.
01:19:13.000 I mean, the boycott thing can work, but God, what an effort.
01:19:16.000 And like everybody gets damaged is a real, a lot of damage.
01:19:19.000 That's nice to see.
01:19:20.000 What's 1792?
01:19:22.000 What was the inspiration of that, calling it that?
01:19:24.000 Yeah.
01:19:24.000 So in 1792, that's when the Buttonwood Agreement was signed.
01:19:28.000 And so when there wasn't as much clarity or organization when it came to the trading of securities in the early colonial time period.
01:19:36.000 And so in 1792, a group came together, they signed the Buttonwood Agreement.
01:19:40.000 That document became the basis for what's now the New York Stock Exchange.
01:19:44.000 So, we're only about five years old.
01:19:46.000 And the reason for the name is because we are in some sort of a parallel moment where there's just a lack of transparency or organization about how corporations are conducting themselves.
01:19:58.000 You know, people don't really know all of the policies that are in place.
01:20:02.000 They're maybe not getting all the information they want.
01:20:04.000 When they find it, they might be horrified at what corporations are complicit in, what they're promoting, the money they're taking, where they're giving money to.
01:20:12.000 And so this is kind of like a new call to get businesses back to business.
01:20:17.000 So businesses are supposed to be creating value for their shareholders, creating goods and products and services that serve the society and the betterment of the world.
01:20:27.000 We were talking earlier just about all the amazing things AI could do in theory, right?
01:20:31.000 But instead, a lot of companies are spending millions of dollars on activist causes or letting outside interest groups determine the policies they set.
01:20:41.000 So, I firmly believe, we firmly believe that companies are a great thing in the world and they bring about so many good changes, but they're only going to do that to the extent they're focused on the business.
01:20:52.000 You're familiar with ESG?
01:20:53.000 Environmental social governance.
01:20:53.000 I am.
01:20:55.000 It's coming out of the World Economic Forum, Switzerland, and all this stuff where they want to transition the world away from national governments to corporate governments.
01:21:03.000 That was the big problem I saw there was a lot of like activism and closed source behavior.
01:21:09.000 Like with national governments, you have a legal system that you can read and you know what the laws are.
01:21:14.000 But with a corporation, it's sort of like whatever the CEO wants to do or whatever the board decides.
01:21:19.000 You know, they might have terms of service that they can change on the fly.
01:21:23.000 It's very concerning.
01:21:24.000 Are you focused on.
01:21:26.000 Have you given to believe that the future is going to be corporate governance?
01:21:30.000 Do you think that national governments can maintain?
01:21:33.000 Yeah.
01:21:34.000 So I think it's less about.
01:21:36.000 Yeah, I think the debate is really about the balance between the companies and their power and also the power of the state or the nation.
01:21:44.000 I think what you're getting at there with the ESG debate is interesting.
01:21:46.000 So, for those unfamiliar, the ESG movement is about gearing corporations towards focusing on environmental, social, and governance issues.
01:21:55.000 So, a lot of the net zero fossil fuel climate change would fall under the E.
01:22:00.000 A lot of the DEI quotas and transgender benefits and things like that would maybe fall under the S.
01:22:05.000 And then there's different governance debates about the rights of shareholders and things like that.
01:22:10.000 And it's not that any single issue that could potentially fall under any of those categories is inherently bad.
01:22:16.000 You also have to look at what people are calling for.
01:22:18.000 But loosely speaking, the people promoting ESG, like you said, it's like the Davos types, the World Economic Forum.
01:22:25.000 And it's really caused a lot of companies harm.
01:22:29.000 It's harmed their bottom line, it's changed their ability to positively impact the world.
01:22:34.000 And so, you know, it's not really a surprise when a lot of these corporations whose brands have totally imploded.
01:22:40.000 Nike, right?
01:22:41.000 That was the big one recently.
01:22:42.000 Cracker Barrel last year.
01:22:44.000 Tractor Supply, when that was the controversy in the summer of 2024.
01:22:48.000 A lot of them had knowingly or unknowingly taken these crazy positions on certain issues.
01:22:54.000 And a lot of it has to do with the ESG agenda.
01:22:58.000 And so for us, it's really about highlighting that for the executives.
01:23:03.000 It used to be stakeholder capitalism, which, or sorry, let me start over.
01:23:07.000 It used to be called shareholder capitalism, where the corporation would say, we have to serve our shareholders, the people that actually literally own money in our company.
01:23:14.000 And then what they're trying to do is, no, no, no, let's make it about stakeholder capitalism.
01:23:17.000 So it's now we have to serve our community, whatever the fuck that, like how vague.
01:23:22.000 And you know what year that changed?
01:23:24.000 It was actually 2019.
01:23:25.000 Have you heard of the Business Roundtable?
01:23:27.000 No.
01:23:27.000 Okay, so it's a good group.
01:23:28.000 There are definitely great people involved.
01:23:30.000 But the Business Roundtable, it's kind of this cool kids club of 200 or so major CEOs.
01:23:36.000 And they get together, they often have the president or the vice president come speak to them.
01:23:39.000 There's a lot of good work they do.
01:23:41.000 But one of the things they did that wasn't great was in 2019, they issued this letter.
01:23:47.000 Trying to redefine the purpose of a corporation.
01:23:50.000 So, historically, it was understood that a corporation exists primarily to create value for its shareholders.
01:23:56.000 And then also, you know, further down, it ends up, you know, being good for their customers and their employees and people who aren't their shareholders, who are their stakeholders.
01:24:04.000 And what you pointed out there is if you make this subtle shift of, well, we'll serve shareholders primarily to we'll serve stakeholders primarily, it's actually a major shift because the question is, well, when does that end?
01:24:17.000 Because isn't technically everyone my stakeholder because they all live on the planet that I live on?
01:24:23.000 So, our point is like corporations.
01:24:24.000 Are thriving because of their expertise in creating a good or a product or a service that's needed, right?
01:24:31.000 That's why we want these executives on the board.
01:24:34.000 That's why we want people to have the jobs they have.
01:24:37.000 The companies don't exist to identify and solve every problem.
01:24:41.000 So it's not that companies have no role to play, but that's not their fundamental duty.
01:24:45.000 And we think that the work of identifying and solving those problems happens through the free market or through nonprofits or through, you know, there's other ways for that to occur.
01:24:54.000 And I think if we change, if we try to redefine, You know, the purpose of a company, I think that's really harmful.
01:24:59.000 And I think it would be really powerful for the business roundtable after seeing the effects of ESG and how it's ruined a lot of companies.
01:25:06.000 It'd be really powerful for them to issue, you know, a new statement on the purpose of corporate governance.
01:25:11.000 Yeah.
01:25:11.000 Like, could we do every corporation has to have, or if it gets to a certain size, a stakeholder department, something that needs to organize with other stakeholders around the world to understand what that even is like an ethical, like kind of like an ethics department?
01:25:25.000 Like, what is stakeholders?
01:25:27.000 What are stakeholders?
01:25:28.000 A reasonable thing that works along with government to like national government because you want to keep that national government in there with a stopgap, otherwise, the corporations decide society's direction, which can be very dangerous because they become governments in themselves.
01:25:40.000 Yeah, see the East India Trading Company.
01:25:42.000 Um, what do you think about that?
01:25:44.000 Is there room for stakeholder?
01:25:46.000 Yeah, I mean, there's there's room.
01:25:48.000 I'm there's there's an example I can give that can maybe shed some light.
01:25:53.000 Um, because I said that corporations play some sort of role, so okay, what do I mean by that?
01:25:56.000 Well, in 2024.
01:25:59.000 There was a series of companies who were exposed, most notably by Robbie Starbuck on the internet, and he's showing all their crazy policies, what they're funding.
01:26:07.000 And a good number of them ended up deciding, yes, we're sorry, we shouldn't have done that.
01:26:12.000 We're pledging to not do X, Y, and Z.
01:26:15.000 And one of those things they said, we're going to stop giving towards controversial non business causes.
01:26:20.000 And that's the key word.
01:26:22.000 And so what was interesting to me is, again, we track all this behavior.
01:26:26.000 We have a back to business tracker on our website.
01:26:28.000 We go, hey, what did companies publicly pledge to their customers and shareholders to do?
01:26:32.000 And then did they follow through?
01:26:33.000 What did they do?
01:26:34.000 And what we saw was a lot of companies like Walmart and Lowe's, for example, who were previously funding a lot of very controversial events, let's just say, all of a sudden started giving six figure grants towards disaster relief efforts in North Carolina once that hurricane we were talking about earlier hit in Asheville.
01:26:50.000 So you go, whoa, like this money came from their charitable money pool.
01:26:54.000 So there's a money pool that was going towards a lot of controversial events.
01:26:58.000 And then now the companies decided, you know what?
01:27:01.000 What if we gave it to things that were.
01:27:04.000 For the common good, essentially, right?
01:27:06.000 Like whether it's talking about fighting hunger or, you know, the disaster relief efforts, like that's the kind of good a company can do that's not going to be controversial.
01:27:15.000 Building roads, for instance, like improving the roadways.
01:27:18.000 If we could get a corporate percentage of like our national corporations to fund our national roadways, that'd be badass.
01:27:25.000 There's definitely a stake in that.
01:27:26.000 I mean, and I'm talking about like graphene in the roads to make them last two and a half times longer.
01:27:30.000 You know, new roads, new electrical grids, things where you literally, the stake, Is it's no higher stake than keeping the power on, let me tell you, if you're a corporation in the United States.
01:27:41.000 Well, keeping the cars driving on the street.
01:27:43.000 Something with high stakes as well as the upcoming midterms. 0.99
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01:27:59.000 That's what people are putting their money on.
01:28:01.000 At the very least, you know, you got pretty much everyone thinking the Democrats will at least take the House.
01:28:08.000 A lot of developments on the midterms front.
01:28:10.000 I know everyone's a little tired, you know, exhausted at this news cycle, but there's a really fascinating storyline going on right now where James Tallarico has.
01:28:21.000 Over the last really week or two.
01:28:24.000 The official messaging from the Tallyrico camp is okay, he has the flu, you know, some sort of flu, and he's been in the hospital.
01:28:32.000 But we've seen some figures.
01:28:34.000 I saw Spencer Pratt coming out, a few others who are, and I should reiterate, speculating that he's having some sort of mental health crisis.
01:28:43.000 Once again, that is pure speculation.
01:28:45.000 I'm just regurgitating what people are saying.
01:28:48.000 That is not the official position of Tim Cast.
01:28:51.000 But it is fascinating nonetheless that this is happening.
01:28:56.000 Because, I mean, many people are making the point, and it's a good point that, you know, a flu diagnosis doesn't just take you out of the game completely, certainly for two weeks.
01:29:04.000 I mean, you could see being down for the count for a few days.
01:29:07.000 It's very bizarre, especially when we're getting this close to election day.
01:29:13.000 Fascinating stuff.
01:29:14.000 What say you guys?
01:29:15.000 I mean, do you think Spencer Pratt might be on to something?
01:29:18.000 Again, it's all worrisome.
01:29:19.000 He's got a cold, a nasty cold, sore on his upper lip, and he's like, I'm not.
01:29:22.000 He's humiliated.
01:29:23.000 He doesn't want to show his face.
01:29:24.000 He doesn't want to lose his face.
01:29:25.000 I'm seeing this report from a local CBS affiliate saying that because another one of the critiques is that it wasn't just Taylor Rico who was MIA.
01:29:32.000 They hadn't been able to get a hold of anyone on his campaign to make a public statement.
01:29:38.000 And so this just came out.
01:29:39.000 This is apparently from one of the spokespeople on his campaign saying, James looks forward to being back out this weekend after recovering from the flu.
01:29:47.000 So they've been saying this whole time that he's just had a really bad flu, which is so real.
01:29:51.000 Maybe he got long COVID or something.
01:29:52.000 So true.
01:29:53.000 And it says that it's been 84 days since James challenged Ken Paxton to come out of hiding and answer Texans' questions in a debate.
01:30:00.000 Um, whatever, it's like normal campaign speak.
01:30:03.000 Um, but yeah, this is like kind of the first that we've seen in a little bit from somebody on the campaign, um, actually come out and say anything.
01:30:09.000 Nothing actually like super substantive.
01:30:12.000 I think we're all waiting to see like actually Tallarico out and about.
01:30:16.000 And then Paxton's just been totally milking it.
01:30:18.000 Like they just keep putting out all of these different pressers being like, Where is he?
01:30:23.000 We're gonna find him.
01:30:26.000 It's just my inbox is blowing up with Ken Paxton being like, Tavarico.
01:30:32.000 It's a little bit much, but it is kind of a real question.
01:30:34.000 It's like you're actively campaigning so close to the midterms.
01:30:38.000 If you're sick, take a selfie video and say, oh, I'm sick.
01:30:40.000 Proof of life.
01:30:41.000 Yeah, proof of life.
01:30:42.000 Why is he pulling a Mitch McConnell right now?
01:30:45.000 It kind of feels like it's a little bit weird.
01:30:48.000 Mitch at least had that picture of him in the bed, which I guess was it real?
01:30:51.000 Did it turn out it was real?
01:30:52.000 No one knew, but at least it was something.
01:30:54.000 We can't really tell.
01:30:54.000 Yeah.
01:30:55.000 Something.
01:30:55.000 We've obviously seen him since, and he's like.
01:31:00.000 He looks like Master Uguay.
01:31:01.000 I'm like, dude, if he's going to go out onto the Senate floor one day and he's just going to turn into like a gust of cherry blossom petals, I'm really worried.
01:31:08.000 But like with Tallarico, it's like, you don't even got that.
01:31:11.000 I mean, he's young.
01:31:12.000 Like, he's probably fine.
01:31:13.000 He has something to lose, right?
01:31:15.000 You know, this is an upcoming election and he was challenging people to a debate.
01:31:20.000 I think it was Tim that said, if you're challenging people to a debate, you're probably not doing well, right?
01:31:25.000 Because you probably want to see him.
01:31:27.000 He was like calling them and like recording it.
01:31:28.000 And he's like, where are you, Ken?
01:31:30.000 And he's like, showing him on the phone.
01:31:32.000 So strange.
01:31:32.000 I was like, that's a little.
01:31:33.000 It's like, yeah, it's like, that's what I hate the most about midterms or any campaign season is like all of the gimmicks that campaigns think would somehow convince people to vote for them.
01:31:43.000 It's like, I hate stuff like that.
01:31:44.000 It's like, remember when Kamala Harris was like pretending to be on the phone with someone?
01:31:48.000 It was for like Notes app or whatever.
01:31:50.000 These things can only go wrong, even if they go all right.
01:31:53.000 Like, nobody, it's very rarely well received.
01:31:56.000 I hate these campaign stunts.
01:31:57.000 But, like, in this case, I would actually like to see, like, maybe Ken Paxton should just do a 180 and, like, call Tallarico and be like, Where are you? and film himself trying to call him or something.
01:32:07.000 I mean, there's a lot of speculation online, but there's like the real stories that we have no idea.
01:32:07.000 I don't know.
01:32:14.000 That would be something, a mental health crisis.
01:32:19.000 You went to the spa. 1.00
01:32:20.000 Yeah, like, I mean, we crash out sometimes, but this is like a serious crap. 0.96
01:32:25.000 You're out of the game for two weeks.
01:32:27.000 Yeah, that would be, I mean, I can see why that would be a rumor.
01:32:30.000 Like, if he actually had a mental health crisis before he got, before there was even a chance of getting elected, he's not fit for office, which would be an extreme thing.
01:32:38.000 So, like, the jury's out, you know?
01:32:40.000 Maybe he got, like, he just got an AI psychosis.
01:32:43.000 Like, he was just chopping up a chat.
01:32:44.000 And the next thing you know, he's like in love with it.
01:32:46.000 He got Claude and ChatGPT.
01:32:47.000 He's like, I don't want to run for, I just don't care anything anymore.
01:32:50.000 I just want to code.
01:32:51.000 Yeah.
01:32:52.000 What are the chances it's just his consultants wanting him to like lay low?
01:32:56.000 Like, what if the thought process is, oh, well, a lot of people are going to make up their mind, you know, build up some anticipation.
01:33:01.000 Yeah.
01:33:02.000 So, yeah, he's just getting jacked.
01:33:04.000 He's going to show up like 15 pounds more muscle. 0.99
01:33:06.000 He's actually just grinding and like he's, and we're all dumb. 0.95
01:33:10.000 He's going to do like a Mike Tomlin thing and pop out. 0.60
01:33:12.000 He's built like a Minecraft world.
01:33:13.000 He's like, you've been wondering where I am.
01:33:15.000 I built Versailles on Minecraft while I was gone.
01:33:17.000 Well, his account is, there's someone still posting on his account.
01:33:20.000 So it's like, you know, Someone has access to it, obviously, but like his staff has just been a little bit cagey, I guess, which has led people to be to obviously speculate about all the crazy things.
01:33:31.000 There is also a good chance that he just got like a crazy flu.
01:33:34.000 That's true.
01:33:35.000 You know, like he legit might have long COVID, and like that's not funny.
01:33:38.000 You know, like we shouldn't make fun of that.
01:33:39.000 He can knock you out for 10 days if he eats poorly, you know, if he's been eating poorly and he's probably been running famously for the first time.
01:33:46.000 He's a vegan freak or something.
01:33:48.000 So he used to be, he's not vegan anymore, is he?
01:33:50.000 I don't know.
01:33:51.000 Well, I think someone was posting a picture of him eating like a ham hock.
01:33:53.000 Yeah, he was eating like a big.
01:33:55.000 Turkey stick was the weirdest thing.
01:33:57.000 Maybe he got sick from that.
01:33:58.000 Was he traveling too?
01:33:59.000 Has he been traveling around?
01:34:00.000 Because that'll wear you out.
01:34:01.000 Well, in Texas, Texas is a big state, you know.
01:34:03.000 Yeah, he's definitely out and about.
01:34:03.000 That's true.
01:34:06.000 Maybe he's lost.
01:34:06.000 Yeah, he could just be lost.
01:34:08.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:34:09.000 Hard to say.
01:34:10.000 Real possibility.
01:34:11.000 Yeah, I find the campaigning really nauseating.
01:34:15.000 Additionally, like, yeah, these guys can literally die and their Twitters will still be running.
01:34:20.000 The oldest person in the Senate right now is like the only guy that clearly runs his own Twitter, like Chuck Grassley, like, obviously is running because it's like.
01:34:27.000 Full of typos, he's like talking about like his wife, it's like doesn't make or his vacuum, yeah, like nothing related to like.
01:34:32.000 I mean, because you look at his record, it's a little hit, you know, touch and go, but if you look at his Twitter, you know, you wouldn't even know he's a senator, yeah, he's just real.
01:34:40.000 It says, he's like, I was thinking about oranges today, and you're like, yeah, that's that's way better than what Tala Rico is posting about his beloved vacuum that he's had for like decades recently broke down, oh, yeah, he was, and that was that was pretty heartfelt.
01:34:52.000 There were like articles written about it because he was famous for taking photos of his vacuum, he's like, look what I'm doing this weekend, and it's his like.
01:35:00.000 Like 50 year old vacuum.
01:35:01.000 And he's like 90 something.
01:35:03.000 Really old.
01:35:03.000 Dude.
01:35:04.000 Very, very old.
01:35:05.000 But you know it's him tweeting because it's like clearly an old man on a Blackberry.
01:35:08.000 Yes.
01:35:09.000 It's like a zodiac kind of spelling.
01:35:11.000 It's fascinating.
01:35:12.000 What were you talking about?
01:35:13.000 Chuck Grassley's name.
01:35:14.000 I'll pull it up.
01:35:15.000 This Tallarico's office said he's going to be back on the trail this weekend, and CNN Town Hall on the 14th in Fort Worth is his next scheduled appearance.
01:35:25.000 Yeah, we'll see.
01:35:26.000 Yeah, we got about a week to confirm.
01:35:28.000 Yeah, Chuck Grassley's.
01:35:30.000 Twitter banner is just a really zoomed in photo of like a corn husk.
01:35:33.000 Yeah, look at that.
01:35:34.000 Yeah, I just followed up.
01:35:35.000 Like, you know that he went to Wikipedia or he went to Google and typed in corn, screenshot it, and then made it his Twitter banner.
01:35:40.000 Dude, that's like getting nine likes on him commenting.
01:35:42.000 I'm assuming this is tennis.
01:35:44.000 It's so old school.
01:35:45.000 Is this tennis?
01:35:47.000 Set to uni over Drake 2513.
01:35:47.000 I hadn't.
01:35:50.000 That's like my bed for nine lives.
01:35:53.000 But if mine's ayahuasca, his is horn. 0.97
01:35:55.000 And then someone's just talking trash and replies. 0.97
01:35:59.000 Poor guy.
01:36:00.000 He's just trying to talk about tennis.
01:36:01.000 Someone took this video of him and he apparently had a backup vintage vacuum after the tragic, you know, the other vacuum breaking.
01:36:10.000 And he said, disappointed my backup plan to vacuum for a family reunion didn't work.
01:36:14.000 My 1966 Electrolux is also broken.
01:36:19.000 Like this guy is just, you can't.
01:36:21.000 Like, this is him running his own account.
01:36:23.000 This is him.
01:36:23.000 This is not a staffer's idea.
01:36:25.000 You know, he hands his phone to his wife and he's like, Take a quick video.
01:36:28.000 You gotta let the people know why, you know, every four years we vote, we're supposed to get new people in because he should get a Dyson.
01:36:35.000 He should get a wireless 30 pound, 20 pound Dyson.
01:36:38.000 Phenomenal.
01:36:39.000 I'm not analog.
01:36:40.000 He's like, I want, I don't trust deep learning.
01:36:43.000 I don't understand these newfangled buttons.
01:36:46.000 It's Trad.
01:36:47.000 Yeah, that's what Trad looks like.
01:36:48.000 Like it or not, Trad is him talking about Murray State, again, presumably tennis.
01:36:53.000 He plays a lot of tennis.
01:36:54.000 Is he playing tennis or is he watching tennis?
01:36:56.000 No, I think he's watching college tennis.
01:36:58.000 Maybe his kid, or I guess great grandkid at this point, plays tennis.
01:37:02.000 I'm not sure.
01:37:04.000 My CMT.
01:37:05.000 He rants about Kratom a lot.
01:37:06.000 Every time I see his tweets on my feed, it's because he's really upset about Kratom.
01:37:10.000 He's like, Oh, yeah, Kratom banned.
01:37:12.000 Does he know someone?
01:37:13.000 Does he have a loved one that has.
01:37:14.000 He calls it poison all the time.
01:37:15.000 He's like, This poison.
01:37:16.000 Kratom's wild.
01:37:17.000 I mean, I'm not pro Kratom.
01:37:19.000 I knew somebody that was like, Ian, Kratom's the new.
01:37:22.000 It's amazing.
01:37:25.000 And then six months later, she was.
01:37:26.000 Had like a depressive, just fell into a deep, deep, deep depression.
01:37:31.000 It was very addicting.
01:37:32.000 That sounds like Kratom.
01:37:33.000 I didn't know much about it, but I was like, I'm not trying that thing.
01:37:36.000 Can you get that at like a gas station or whatever?
01:37:38.000 I think I remember reading that.
01:37:39.000 You used to be able to pick it up anywhere.
01:37:41.000 I don't know what the restrictions are, and I think it's an opiate.
01:37:44.000 They put it in a drink called like, I forgot what the thing is called, but it's a gas station drink that people didn't realize it was in there, and they kept drinking it, and they got really addicted to it.
01:37:55.000 And now a lot of people are upset.
01:37:57.000 Oh, it's football.
01:37:58.000 Oh, it's football.
01:38:01.000 Uni.
01:38:01.000 It's not Uni.
01:38:01.000 Oh, football?
01:38:02.000 It's University of Northern Iowa, I'm presuming.
01:38:05.000 And then I'm presuming David Young is maybe the quarterback.
01:38:08.000 Uni halftime, Uni 28, Drake 14, David Young.
01:38:11.000 I'm enjoying with enthusiasm.
01:38:13.000 Dude, I still don't understand what that means.
01:38:14.000 I'm leaving at third quarter.
01:38:15.000 David Young, Drake is in deep freeze.
01:38:17.000 He should be.
01:38:18.000 Without context, this is like, has he killed someone?
01:38:21.000 He's in the deep freeze.
01:38:22.000 He killed the rapper, Drake, and put him in the deep freeze.
01:38:25.000 Valerie goes into deep freeze. 0.67
01:38:27.000 Go hashtag cornwatch.
01:38:27.000 I get it.
01:38:30.000 Dude, he's out in like the fields himself.
01:38:32.000 Does he have a cornwatch?
01:38:34.000 This is just crazy.
01:38:36.000 He's a corn farmer.
01:38:37.000 Oh, awesome.
01:38:38.000 His name's Grassley.
01:38:39.000 That's pretty cool.
01:38:40.000 He's been in, I mean, he's driven.
01:38:42.000 I can't remember when he first came into office, but let me look.
01:38:46.000 I think his first office was like state rep or something in like the 50s.
01:38:49.000 Literally, like the 50s.
01:38:50.000 Going to his Wikipedia right now.
01:38:53.000 His first, he was elected to the member, he was a member of the Iowa House of Representatives elected in January of 1959.
01:39:00.000 Wow.
01:39:01.000 And then only working like in your only jobs ever are just like being in public office.
01:39:08.000 Just being a corn farmer.
01:39:10.000 That's cool.
01:39:11.000 So the overwhelming majority of his 93 years on earth, he's been elected office.
01:39:16.000 It's a big problem.
01:39:16.000 The photo of him is crazy.
01:39:18.000 It's part of, I mean, it really looks like him.
01:39:20.000 Like the upside is.
01:39:21.000 He was already a veteran in politics when this photo was taken in 1970.
01:39:25.000 What year was he born?
01:39:27.000 He was born in 1933.
01:39:29.000 Wow.
01:39:30.000 And so did he serve in Vietnam or no, he was in politics.
01:39:32.000 That's right.
01:39:32.000 He wouldn't have gone.
01:39:33.000 Yeah.
01:39:34.000 In the Korean War?
01:39:34.000 He would have been old enough for Korea, but I don't think he was.
01:39:38.000 33, so he would have been raised on a farm. 0.84
01:39:41.000 He was Emma. 0.81
01:39:42.000 He didn't have electricity or plumbing. 0.86
01:39:44.000 He was born like before, like electricity or whatever.
01:39:48.000 I wonder if his dad served in the war in World War II.
01:39:52.000 Chuck Grassley, dude.
01:39:53.000 So the upside is he's old school, so he's not like rushing into changing things.
01:39:58.000 But the downside is he doesn't seem to understand the world.
01:40:02.000 Like what's going on?
01:40:02.000 Yeah.
01:40:03.000 I think he actually knows more than most.
01:40:05.000 Look at this picture.
01:40:06.000 I think I salacious.
01:40:08.000 Yeah.
01:40:09.000 Our corn is now in the venting stage, about six weeks away from harvest.
01:40:14.000 Notice.
01:40:14.000 Indentions at top of kernel.
01:40:16.000 It's like the SAVAX held up at war, and he's like, Guys, look up this corn.
01:40:19.000 Hashtag cornwatch.
01:40:21.000 Back what I said about Chuck Grassley.
01:40:23.000 He's a specialist.
01:40:24.000 He's focused on the corn industry, which is one of our cash crops.
01:40:27.000 And he's on soybeanwatch too. 0.58
01:40:29.000 It's a problem that a lot of people in Congress and stuff are not actually grass touchers.
01:40:35.000 So at least he's touched grass.
01:40:37.000 He's got it on the towel.
01:40:38.000 He's just grabbing the pick.
01:40:39.000 You see one stem from one bean plant here, and he's just on hashtag soybeanwatch.
01:40:43.000 He also loves Dairy Queen.
01:40:44.000 He's like, he famously loves Dairy Queen, which is really awesome.
01:40:48.000 Patriot.
01:40:49.000 Like, this is, I love this.
01:40:50.000 Tomorrow, Barbara and I celebrate 72 years of marriage.
01:40:53.000 Tonight, we have dinner at Hickory House in Waterloo, where we went when we were first dating.
01:40:58.000 And that's very nice.
01:40:59.000 That's awesome.
01:41:00.000 I've never seen have abbreviated like that.
01:41:00.000 I think that is.
01:41:03.000 Yeah, that's an old head thing.
01:41:05.000 That's what old heads, that's how they compress.
01:41:08.000 That's how they stay alive so long, they save time on spelling.
01:41:11.000 There he was with Dairy Queen.
01:41:12.000 I think I just whizzed past it.
01:41:13.000 There he is.
01:41:14.000 Oh, my God.
01:41:15.000 Yeah.
01:41:16.000 Oh, he's into it.
01:41:16.000 What is it?
01:41:17.000 46 years for a strawberry malt.
01:41:19.000 Jeez, dude.
01:41:20.000 No, I can't condone that.
01:41:22.000 That's toxic.
01:41:23.000 It sounds so good.
01:41:24.000 It's better than Kratom, presumably.
01:41:26.000 Get some coconut water.
01:41:28.000 I got to find the vacuum discourse.
01:41:29.000 Was this not on his.
01:41:32.000 He doesn't have a personal Twitter.
01:41:33.000 I think this is illegal, but he uses his government Twitter as his personal diary.
01:41:38.000 If you search vacuum, it's on there.
01:41:40.000 That's why I was annoyed because I'm like, why isn't he talking about the electrical grid and he's talking about football on his government account?
01:41:46.000 I think the vacuum was named Beth or something.
01:41:48.000 I think I misspelled vacuum anyway.
01:41:50.000 Oh, yeah.
01:41:50.000 Yeah.
01:41:51.000 You will see Beth no more.
01:41:53.000 That's like a snuff threat. 0.62
01:41:54.000 Dude, this is like you're like a proof of life, and you're like, We're gonna snuff her out.
01:41:57.000 You will see Beth no more.
01:41:58.000 See black, that's from electrical sparks.
01:42:00.000 It's not safe to use anymore.
01:42:02.000 Goodbye, Beth.
01:42:03.000 I imagine that's a threat.
01:42:05.000 That's like a mobster sending you a picture of like your child held like kidnapped and saying, You will see her no more.
01:42:10.000 Your namesake is still a hard worker. 0.75
01:42:12.000 See that black, that's electrical spark.
01:42:14.000 That thing must be so moldy on the inside.
01:42:16.000 That's gross.
01:42:17.000 Yeah, how many years ago?
01:42:18.000 That's very heartfelt.
01:42:19.000 I will miss you.
01:42:20.000 See, do we really miss our products?
01:42:22.000 I mean, that shows you it's from an older time.
01:42:24.000 You know, right to repair.
01:42:25.000 You can develop a bond with your vacuum.
01:42:27.000 You know, it's funny.
01:42:28.000 Last night, the guest was saying, like, we shouldn't treat AI with any sense of humanity because it totally warps your mind.
01:42:36.000 You don't view it as a tool anymore.
01:42:37.000 You start to view it as like a person.
01:42:39.000 Chuck Grassley has gone the complete other way where he's giving vacuums like a personality.
01:42:44.000 I appreciate that you brought that up.
01:42:45.000 That's a good point.
01:42:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:42:47.000 Beth, the robot, Beth, the dumb bot, you know. 0.71
01:42:51.000 Well, I mean, he's gone above and beyond where he's given Beth attributes. 0.96
01:42:55.000 He's saying, you've been a workhorse.
01:42:57.000 You know, hard worker.
01:42:59.000 He's saying he's going to miss Beth.
01:43:00.000 Beth was over 40 years old, by the way.
01:43:02.000 But I don't know what the ratio is like vacuum years to human years.
01:43:06.000 40 years of vacuuming his house.
01:43:07.000 Yeah, let's find out.
01:43:08.000 I usually send this picture of faithful Beth before starting the drudgery of getting the farmhouse ready for the family coming for Thanksgiving.
01:43:16.000 But since Beth is 40 to 50 years old, I'm sending when I'm done faithful Beth delivered.
01:43:21.000 Dude, like if you look at all of the Beth posts, it's like almost the exact same photo over and over again.
01:43:27.000 But you can tell they're taken on different occasions because he just keeps the vacuum in the same place.
01:43:32.000 And retakes the same photo over and over again, but they're all different photos.
01:43:36.000 It's really awesome.
01:43:37.000 It says the average vacuum cleaners, the life expectancy of a vacuum cleaner is five to eight years.
01:43:42.000 So, Chuck, they don't make them like they used to.
01:43:44.000 Maybe premium vacuums, you might get 10 to 20 years out of it.
01:43:47.000 A well maintained, high quality vacuum can last 15 to 20 years.
01:43:51.000 Maybe he just doesn't vacuum that much.
01:43:53.000 I don't know what his cleaning habits are.
01:43:55.000 I don't know.
01:43:56.000 Does he vacuum or does his wife do it?
01:43:59.000 I think he does it.
01:44:00.000 But that's the weird thing with like modern appliances is yeah, everybody has that kind of white or maybe yellowish garage in their fridge in their parents' garage, rather.
01:44:10.000 And they've had it for 30 years and it works perfectly fine.
01:44:13.000 And then someone buys the brand new Samsung touchscreen, whatever.
01:44:17.000 And then after three years, it A whirlpool thing runs out of gas right after the warranty expires, type of thing.
01:44:23.000 Yeah.
01:44:24.000 Well, there was like everyone for a long time.
01:44:27.000 I imagine that people probably still feel this way.
01:44:29.000 We're talking about how, like, the iPhones, the battery was intentionally being slowed down over time.
01:44:36.000 And I think Apple had to, like, settle a lawsuit because they actually were doing that.
01:44:39.000 The planned obsolescence, I think they call it.
01:44:42.000 Yeah.
01:44:42.000 And they had to set, there was like a couple.
01:44:44.000 Yeah, Apple confirmed it.
01:44:46.000 They said they were like, yeah, you update your iOS, your phone's slowing down.
01:44:50.000 You got us.
01:44:51.000 And it's like, no, these.
01:44:51.000 Yeah.
01:44:53.000 It's clear that, like, the incentive for a lot of these companies now is obviously just like profit.
01:44:57.000 This is the craziest one.
01:44:59.000 I got married at the beginning of the year, but thank you so much.
01:45:03.000 Just over a year ago, though, I was living in a house and this was some of the guys from my church.
01:45:09.000 There's a fridge, really old, had to get replaced.
01:45:12.000 The guy, before he made that call, he came out to fix it.
01:45:15.000 He opens the freezer door and just starts laughing, whoever they called and sent out.
01:45:20.000 And I was like, What's the deal?
01:45:21.000 He's like, Dude, I see this all the time.
01:45:23.000 And I look.
01:45:23.000 He's like, Come look at it.
01:45:24.000 And the way the fridge was designed is that every time you open and close the door, it's just like sawing its own wires.
01:45:30.000 So the fridge eventually is guaranteed to like break itself.
01:45:30.000 Oh my God.
01:45:34.000 It's like, who approved this product?
01:45:34.000 It's insane.
01:45:36.000 Like, have you guys seen those really old stoves or like those antique appliances that have like all of the extra little, like they literally have all the bells and whistles?
01:45:43.000 And it's like, it has like an area that you can lift open and it's like a griddle and then you can close it or it has like a built in crock pot and all these things.
01:45:51.000 Like, all these appliances used to be so clever and like really well made and, you know, intended to last for a long time.
01:45:57.000 And now everything's just like, Meant to disintegrate after three uses.
01:46:00.000 It's really, it's quite depressing.
01:46:02.000 There is the hyper advancement of tech that we're experiencing in the last 30 or 40 years with micro processing and like micro, what do they call it?
01:46:11.000 Like micro, whatever.
01:46:12.000 They're making it smaller and smaller and smaller.
01:46:13.000 So every three years, you do get a big advancement.
01:46:16.000 But I think it's insidious that a corporation would intentionally sabotage their product to sell more of it.
01:46:23.000 That, I mean, that is almost like a terrorist act on our economy if that's really happening.
01:46:30.000 So, I got big, big issues with that, with planned obsolescence.
01:46:34.000 Maybe there's something I don't understand about the value of it.
01:46:38.000 I don't know.
01:46:39.000 No, it totally ruins the quality of life.
01:46:42.000 Again, I keep talking about it, but it's so true.
01:46:44.000 There's all these small ways that your quality of life has been eroded. 0.99
01:46:49.000 It's like, yeah, if you buy a shirt now, it's going to be made out of plastic and some child made it in a third world country. 0.98
01:46:54.000 And after you wash it two times, it's going to fall apart. 1.00
01:46:58.000 That's really annoying.
01:47:00.000 Things used to be.
01:47:01.000 If you purchase them, they would last a long time.
01:47:04.000 Or more often, especially for lower class people, they would just make their own clothing.
01:47:10.000 And people just knew how to do that and it would last forever and it'd be like an heirloom and stuff like that.
01:47:15.000 It's just like, I don't want to have to buy stuff that just doesn't work or it's going to break or it smells bad or like it was, you know, like a child made it in a very questionable setting. 0.94
01:47:27.000 And it sucks.
01:47:29.000 The balance is like, if my socks get holes in them, 100 years ago, someone would have stitched them up, or someone would have stitched them up, and I keep wearing them. 0.92
01:47:36.000 Now I throw them out and buy a new pair because it costs $3.
01:47:39.000 I'm like, it's going to take me an hour to stitch it up, which is $30 an hour.
01:47:43.000 I mean, minimum what my time is worth in my life is way, you know.
01:47:46.000 So, well, these modern products may always let us down, planned obsolescence, et cetera.
01:47:51.000 But you know what never lets us down?
01:47:53.000 It is our Discord.
01:47:54.000 And we're going to flip over, switch gears here, and we're going to go to the Discord.
01:47:59.000 We're going to turn to our Discord for some questions to round out this wonderful Friday show here.
01:48:07.000 Let's take a look.
01:48:08.000 We got a first one from Kevin Adele, and this is targeted to me.
01:48:12.000 This is usually quite rare.
01:48:14.000 Tate, do you still want Vivek to lose?
01:48:16.000 I live in Ohio and don't think I could identify as a conservative telling people to vote for Democrats.
01:48:23.000 That's pretty much as bad as the Lincoln Project.
01:48:26.000 Well, the problem is, you know, Vivek's not a conservative.
01:48:29.000 I mean, he's not conserving anything.
01:48:31.000 He can't even conserve an American identity himself.
01:48:34.000 So he's definitely not going to conserve it at a statewide level, let alone national level.
01:48:40.000 I think Vivek is such a problem that you can't run the risk of that sort of.
01:48:48.000 Political behavior being permitted in the GOP because it's not going to just, it's not like Vivek is a one off thing. 0.97
01:48:55.000 Like, if you allow Vivek to continue to progress in the GOP, continue to work his way up the ranks, you're going to get a million more people like him, Striver immigrant people that have no business being in the United States, let alone running for office. 0.99
01:49:09.000 I mean, Vivek's an anchor baby. 1.00
01:49:11.000 You know, his parents were here illegally, just has no business being in the United States.
01:49:17.000 He has nothing in common with me in any meaningful way. 0.99
01:49:20.000 And not just me, like anyone that's American, whether you're black, Hispanic, whatever.
01:49:24.000 It's not a racial thing. 0.94
01:49:25.000 It's just like this guy is completely foreign in every way. 0.98
01:49:28.000 And then the cherry on top, that's one thing.
01:49:30.000 He's just incredibly disparaging towards Americans.
01:49:32.000 He's crashed out on multiple occasions, calling Americans lazy, just clearly demonstrating his disdain for the American people. 0.96
01:49:39.000 So, yeah, it sucks that that's our two options. 0.84
01:49:44.000 But I'm not like a slave here.
01:49:46.000 Like, we do have some autonomy.
01:49:47.000 And every once in a while, you do need to tell the GOP, no, this is completely unacceptable.
01:49:52.000 And I personally feel like this is one of those instances.
01:49:54.000 I've maintained this position, never Vivek.
01:49:56.000 I'm not one of these people that's ranted about him in the past, but then all of a sudden when the time comes around, they're like, okay, fine, I'll go vote for him.
01:50:01.000 No, don't reward these people.
01:50:03.000 He hates you.
01:50:04.000 It's very abundantly clear.
01:50:05.000 And no, I'm not a slave to the GOP.
01:50:07.000 I love Trump.
01:50:08.000 I'm loyal to Trump, and that's it.
01:50:10.000 I'm MAGA.
01:50:11.000 GOP, I'm not doing a get out the vote for Vivek.
01:50:13.000 It's not going to happen.
01:50:16.000 The state Senate and state House in Ohio is blood red.
01:50:20.000 They will be able to neutralize acting.
01:50:22.000 It's not like Virginia where Spanberger's coming in with a blue Congress that can rubber stamp everything.
01:50:29.000 Acton will be isolated and she's going to be gone in four years. 1.00
01:50:32.000 We can actually run a serious, an actual conservative, an actual American, by the way, in four years and knock her out.
01:50:38.000 If Vivek wins, he'll likely win the next election.
01:50:40.000 He'll be around for eight years and then we're going to be having to deal with him for potentially VP or something.
01:50:44.000 Well, that's the nice thing about like losing sometimes is that it has like a purging effect.
01:50:49.000 You know, I'm kind of, I'm obviously would love for all of the best candidates to just be easily elected, but it's like there are just some growing pains that are necessary sometimes. 0.77
01:50:59.000 Like once Republicans inevitably lose the House and potentially even the Senate, You're going to be purging a lot of like kind of crappy Republicans.
01:51:07.000 And then by the time it's actually politically viable for Republicans to win elections again, ideally, you would hope that the GOP would kind of learn from its mistakes and find candidates that are more suitable and that actually reflect public sentiment, at least within their own party, a little bit better.
01:51:24.000 And I think you're, it's kind of, it's like a tough position to take, but I think it's right.
01:51:28.000 Like, I think it's just, these are necessary growing pains sometimes.
01:51:30.000 Yeah, I've caught a lot of flack for this take, but I'm just like, at a certain point, I mean, I guess my position on Vivek is like, it's.
01:51:37.000 Sorry, no.
01:51:38.000 It's too big of an ask.
01:51:39.000 It's a no for me.
01:51:41.000 I can plug my nose on a lot of Republicans and I'm willing to do that, but this is too big of an asset.
01:51:47.000 Absolutely not.
01:51:48.000 Why don't I like him?
01:51:50.000 I like that he was like critical of ESG and he talked about how we could redirect our retirement or our investment funds through different indexes.
01:51:59.000 He has his, what's it called? Strive.
01:52:02.000 Yeah, his Strive.
01:52:05.000 It's like an option to like BlackRock.
01:52:06.000 People like kind of, they view it as like a skin suit almost.
01:52:10.000 Like critics look at Vivek and they don't see authenticity.
01:52:13.000 They say that.
01:52:14.000 They see someone who's very rehearsed and obviously intelligent and like understands, you know, what politics are popular in the moment and what he kind of needs to say to convince people.
01:52:23.000 But I think people are concerned with how genuine he's being.
01:52:26.000 Like they, I think people kind of perceive him as a little bit more opportunistic.
01:52:30.000 He's a total Trojan horse.
01:52:32.000 Yeah.
01:52:32.000 And what I'm trying to do, the reason I'm being so aggressive on this point is because I'm trying to create room for other conservatives to feel comfortable saying no.
01:52:40.000 Because I understand the moment we're in right now where you have a lot of people in conservative commentary who are saying, Trump's betrayed us and we should just vote straight blue.
01:52:49.000 That's not at all what I'm saying.
01:52:51.000 I live in Virginia, so my vote isn't as powerful as it would be in a swing state, but we have some pretty good Republicans in my district that I intend to vote for. 0.53
01:53:00.000 So that is not, I want to separate myself from that while creating room for actual conservatives to say, at the very least, the person on the ticket for the GOP should be an American, secondarily.
01:53:12.000 And by American, I mean actually American, not a paperwork American.
01:53:15.000 And then secondarily, should actually be a conservative.
01:53:17.000 I mean, the whole reason we're conservatives is like we want to preserve Christian values and like American traditions.
01:53:24.000 He does neither.
01:53:25.000 So he's not a Christian and he doesn't really seem to be intending on preserving American tradition. 0.96
01:53:30.000 So it's just, it's a no. 0.93
01:53:32.000 I'm sorry.
01:53:32.000 It's a no for me.
01:53:33.000 And if you disagree, that's fine.
01:53:35.000 If you like Vivek, that's your prerogative.
01:53:38.000 But I think a lot of people, and when I crash out on Vivek, I'm not going to blow up anyone's spot, but the few times I've come out and said no, I think Vivek is poisonous to the GOP, the people in my likes, Would surprise you to say the least.
01:53:51.000 The people that are liking that tweet would surprise you.
01:53:54.000 And I understand why they have to stay quiet, but I'm trying to create room here because this is a very popular sentiment and just everyone's a little too afraid to come out and say it.
01:54:02.000 And I understand why.
01:54:03.000 I understand why because we are in this moment of sort of max loyalty, tighten the ranks, but you got to put your foot down.
01:54:09.000 I understand you don't want to glaze him.
01:54:11.000 And I know him, I've hung out with him a couple times.
01:54:15.000 He's a mega nerd.
01:54:16.000 He was a dude in school that was like uber nerdy, would get massive good grades, just constantly working, thinking, Like nerdy, so he comes on the political stage and he's like, All right, how can I be a rock star?
01:54:25.000 I gotta do this.
01:54:26.000 I got so he's playing that.
01:54:27.000 That's the cowboy hat, yeah, exactly. 0.76
01:54:29.000 So that's what he's LARPing as an American, but it's like way better than a lot of stuff out there.
01:54:35.000 Like, at least he's like a brilliant, real guy that is helping us economically.
01:54:41.000 Because, like, yeah, the politics, the culture war stuff's pretty and shiny, but the real issue is the meat and potato, it's the money, it's the economy.
01:54:48.000 So, even with the meat and potato stuff, like, we had a reporter at the Daily Caller News Foundation who traveled to Ohio and And interviewed him for like 15 or 20 minutes or something like that and pressed him about H 1B visas specifically.
01:55:01.000 Because, like you said, this is like the meat and potatoes issues.
01:55:03.000 This is the heavy hitting economic and immigration policy that people really care about and that actually makes a really big difference.
01:55:09.000 And he just didn't want to address it.
01:55:11.000 He was like tiptoeing around it.
01:55:13.000 You can read on Daily Caller.
01:55:14.000 But it's like, it's one of those things where it's like you can see there was a sensitivity there and it totally checks out with that like infamous what was it like the Christmas crash?
01:55:23.000 The Christmas crash.
01:55:24.000 We had to celebrate Christmas.
01:55:25.000 Yeah.
01:55:25.000 We had a lot of free time.
01:55:26.000 And it's just like, dude, like you.
01:55:28.000 Like, there's just certain things on the important stuff, even that, like, he just doesn't really get it.
01:55:32.000 With the Christmas Crash out, it was a tweet.
01:55:34.000 Is that what it was?
01:55:35.000 It was a variety of tweets.
01:55:36.000 Yeah, and he did it in text.
01:55:37.000 He didn't speak, it was all in text.
01:55:39.000 Is that the problem?
01:55:40.000 Because with text, I think his tone was probably lost.
01:55:42.000 No, I mean, the one.
01:55:43.000 No, I think it was what he said.
01:55:44.000 Is it an argument?
01:55:45.000 Is it an actual speech or was it all delivered through text?
01:55:48.000 I can look up and find it real quick.
01:55:50.000 I remember.
01:55:51.000 Yeah, just look up in the background.
01:55:52.000 I was going to say the one I remember was he was like dogging on American football, right?
01:55:55.000 He's like, we need more nerds.
01:55:56.000 You watch too much.
01:55:57.000 Yeah, he's like, no more sleepovers.
01:55:59.000 We need to be studying more.
01:56:01.000 I'm like, just completely.
01:56:03.000 I'm like, okay, nerd.
01:56:04.000 I get it.
01:56:05.000 And it's not just a nerd thing.
01:56:06.000 It indicates that he's like a striver.
01:56:09.000 And this is like why a lot of Americans are concerned about Indian immigration and Chinese immigration is like, It's one thing that they can like excel economically, but if you don't get like what makes an American tick, I don't know what to tell you.
01:56:20.000 Americans kind of saunter into greatness on complete accident in many ways.
01:56:24.000 I mean, you know, there's multiple examples of great men who like, you know, I think it was Armstrong.
01:56:32.000 No, it was Buzz Aldrin, I believe.
01:56:33.000 I think it was either Buzz Aldrin or Armstrong.
01:56:36.000 And they, I want to say it was, I want to say it was Armstrong, was, you know, had an offer to go to MIT, Harvard, Yale, and he chose to go to, I think it was Purdue because he liked the football team.
01:56:46.000 That's, That's kind of the essence of an American.
01:56:46.000 Yeah.
01:56:49.000 Like, I remember going to being in high school and the standardized testing, and like, you know, I studied, I tried my best, but you had these like groups of like strivers who just wanted to game the system and work their way up the ranks as meticulously as possible.
01:57:04.000 And it's just very foreign feeling.
01:57:06.000 And it's just not something I want the United States to become.
01:57:09.000 And then additionally, for Vivek, it's like you also need to be conserving something. 0.88
01:57:14.000 How, I'm sorry, it just has to be said, how is a guy whose name is We can't even pronounce properly, pronounce Vivek, not Vivek, who is Hindu.
01:57:23.000 He's Hindu, which is completely foreign to the United States. 0.54
01:57:26.000 Gave his children very foreign. 1.00
01:57:28.000 I mean, there's nothing that indicates he's assimilated besides his accent. 0.98
01:57:31.000 Well, the whole conserving thing I get, but you don't always want to conserve the bad things like fat and lazy. 0.99
01:57:36.000 This comes up a lot that Americans have become fat and lazy.
01:57:40.000 The dudes, the trope of the guy who's 40 pounds overweight, drinking beer on Sunday, watching football for four hours, passing out in his chair.
01:57:48.000 And like, Vivek's trying to inspire people to become engineers and scientists and like, That's exactly what we want if we want to re industrialize the homeland.
01:57:56.000 So I don't understand where.
01:57:57.000 Well, because.
01:57:58.000 Well, there was like.
01:57:59.000 So the quote that I have here now from the post, the infamous post that really ticked people off, or the little segment I suppose, because it's a really long post.
01:58:07.000 He says Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since the 90s and likely longer.
01:58:14.000 That doesn't start in college, it starts young.
01:58:15.000 A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.
01:58:24.000 It goes on.
01:58:26.000 But the hang up here, obviously, is that the objective of being an American is not to just have a country of a bunch of really good engineers.
01:58:32.000 There are qualities to things that Vivek is speaking about poorly, things like prom queen or doing football that he's kind of being condescending about.
01:58:42.000 But there are qualities in both of those pastimes that, even though it's kind of superficial at a level like high school, but in the long term, there are positive qualities you'd want in just people in the country.
01:58:54.000 There is an excellence to achieve in sports.
01:58:57.000 You know what I mean? 0.97
01:58:57.000 It's not just like a boneheaded, like loser fat American activity. 0.97
01:59:03.000 And it's also quintessentially American. 0.94
01:59:05.000 Like he is talking about it in a very condescending way that just misunderstands fundamentally what the American objective is.
01:59:11.000 It's not just like GDP, you know, it's like people, it's a culture.
01:59:15.000 And not everyone's just going to want to like pursue STEM and work in a cubicle.
01:59:19.000 That's just not what the country is.
01:59:21.000 The football thing is important because it's training us to be military men.
01:59:24.000 Like it makes them more important.
01:59:26.000 There are virtues in things like football that are, you know, Kind of scoffed at by people like Vivek.
01:59:31.000 Yeah, it's super important to uphold athletes because they are like our domestic military men.
01:59:37.000 And the prom queen, like female beauty, can make the rest of the world become obsessed with us because we have the most beautiful women here.
01:59:43.000 Like, that can be a virtue.
01:59:44.000 Like, why are we pretending like it's some lame, superficial, like, quality to it?
01:59:48.000 Well, if we keep elevating Vivek up the chain, we're going to get more homework and more study groups and stuff.
01:59:54.000 Which the problem with football isn't to, don't denigrate the athletes, but I'm okay denigrating the fans that are getting drunk and blazing out, just blowing their mind watching everything, though.
02:00:05.000 Like, you could argue that with some of, like, I mean, maybe it's not the same kind of degeneracy, but like there's just, it gets to a point with anything where it's like you can do it the wrong way.
02:00:15.000 You know what I mean?
02:00:15.000 But it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't denigrate like the actual value and like the athletes or even like a lot of the fans who just like have a hobby.
02:00:22.000 It's like we're not allowed to have hobbies anymore.
02:00:24.000 We're not allowed to have pastimes because you're not, you're not like maximizing your time to become the best engineer.
02:00:29.000 And it's like, I can't just enjoy my afternoons.
02:00:31.000 I call it the privilege of plenty where there's always going to be enough examples for you to choose from to pick the bad one to go, look, that thing's bad because I'm pointing at the bad example.
02:00:40.000 But yeah, the wisdom in what he's saying that you could extract is like, oh, yeah, there is a certain sense in which, yeah, we do want to make sure our citizens are pursuing excellence.
02:00:47.000 But at the same time, we want to acknowledge that our value as Americans isn't only based on what you contribute to the economy and what your job is.
02:00:55.000 Like our leisure time matters too.
02:00:56.000 And I just think it's really important that we continue to have this debate because it's not going away about what is American identity?
02:01:03.000 What does it mean to be an American?
02:01:05.000 And that's something we're trying to think through too from the corporate perspective.
02:01:08.000 So actually, last week we just launched.
02:01:11.000 At 1792exchange.com, the American Company Project.
02:01:14.000 So people can go on the website and nominate a company that they think that, you know, affiliates with and is a good example of American values.
02:01:22.000 So the three criteria that we've given for that is, you know, civic identity.
02:01:27.000 Like, do the companies that are here actually take pride in our country and in our history?
02:01:32.000 Constitutional stewardship.
02:01:33.000 Are they, you know, making sure that they're protecting lawful speech?
02:01:36.000 And then economic patriotism, right?
02:01:38.000 It's like, are you really using H 1Bs and all these other things to bring in skilled workers you can't find?
02:01:43.000 Or are you really looking for an excuse to, you know, Outsource things because of labor costs.
02:01:48.000 But I just think that this conversation, it really isn't going away anytime soon.
02:01:53.000 And so people should continue to have it, but they also need to talk about it from the perspective of corporations, too, because corporations are so fundamental to American society.
02:02:02.000 And we need to think about what it means to be here.
02:02:04.000 It's not simply having your headquarters here or having the US listen on some form.
02:02:11.000 The corporate behavior also influences.
02:02:16.000 Our self perception.
02:02:17.000 I completely agree.
02:02:17.000 Well said.
02:02:19.000 There has to be more at stake here than just paperwork.
02:02:23.000 From SurgeX, it looks like this question's for Rebecca.
02:02:27.000 When you're not doing politics, do you knit your own sweaters because the new ones shrink and they're not as good as they used to be?
02:02:34.000 This sweater I'm wearing, I knit.
02:02:36.000 This is the first ever sweater I knit.
02:02:38.000 So that's actually, I'm so glad I wore it today because it was a labor of love.
02:02:43.000 It was not easy, but it was so fun.
02:02:45.000 And the delay to gratification in hobbies like knitting.
02:02:49.000 I mean, it's cool to be a grandma now.
02:02:50.000 I keep telling my friends, I'm like, you want to go out or do you want to stay at home and learn a skill?
02:02:56.000 Like, all my roommates, I've totally grandma pilled all of them.
02:02:59.000 Like, one of them makes bread.
02:03:00.000 Like, the other one has just been, has also been baking.
02:03:03.000 Like, I'm running a domestic household.
02:03:05.000 It's a tight operation in our apartment.
02:03:07.000 And, but like, it's actually, unironically, it's a fulfilling pastime.
02:03:10.000 And so I do knit a lot of my clothes, a lot of my sweaters.
02:03:14.000 I also buy a lot of old, like, vintage things just because they last forever.
02:03:18.000 I bet your jacket's vintage because it looks good.
02:03:20.000 I got it on Amazon.
02:03:21.000 I don't know.
02:03:22.000 It feels great.
02:03:23.000 It could have been somewhere else.
02:03:24.000 It's a slightly poor design, though.
02:03:27.000 I have two of them.
02:03:27.000 I have a black one also that tore.
02:03:29.000 Yeah.
02:03:29.000 It ripped.
02:03:30.000 It's leather and it ripped because the.
02:03:31.000 Well, maybe you need to buy a vintage one then because I don't know if those will rip as easily.
02:03:35.000 Yes, to answer the question. 0.98
02:03:36.000 This dumb belt. 0.99
02:03:37.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
02:03:38.000 Whack thing.
02:03:38.000 Oh, my gosh.
02:03:40.000 Right.
02:03:42.000 Sure, sure.
02:03:42.000 The belt when they snap it.
02:03:45.000 Yeah.
02:03:45.000 My dad would come out and be like, boys.
02:03:47.000 And he'd be like, ah!
02:03:48.000 But he would never hit us with it, but he would make the noise.
02:03:50.000 Startle you.
02:03:51.000 So that's all that matters.
02:03:52.000 Yeah.
02:03:53.000 Crack the whip, crack the whip.
02:03:54.000 And he'd do it.
02:03:54.000 And he'd be like, ah!
02:03:55.000 And that's the American culture we need to preserve.
02:03:57.000 That's so true. 0.99
02:03:58.000 Why are we trying to get rid of it?
02:03:59.000 You're late for football practice.
02:04:01.000 Yeah.
02:04:02.000 You weren't prom queen yet. 1.00
02:04:05.000 So true.
02:04:05.000 How long did it take you to knit it?
02:04:07.000 This one took me like three weeks, but I'm busy at work.
02:04:11.000 How many hours a day do you put in?
02:04:13.000 Honestly, if I'm really hyped up with a project, I can fly through it in like a week and a half because I'll just go home after work and knit for like six hours.
02:04:20.000 It's awesome.
02:04:22.000 I should probably switch it up a little bit, but I've really been enjoying it.
02:04:25.000 You're right about the delayed gratification thing because I'm coding, I'm developing software, and it's the same thing.
02:04:30.000 It takes like 19 days, and it's like every day, 14 hours a day, 10 hours a day.
02:04:34.000 And you'll make a mistake, and you'll have to figure out what went wrong.
02:04:36.000 You have to try and fix it.
02:04:37.000 And it can be actually incredibly frustrating.
02:04:39.000 It's not as relaxing as maybe it might seem, but like it's very rewarding, which is what matters.
02:04:45.000 Well, with that, we got to wind this show down.
02:04:47.000 We're a little over time.
02:04:49.000 I don't consider it over time.
02:04:50.000 It's Friday.
02:04:50.000 So this is just a few extra minutes we get to hang out.
02:04:53.000 But thank you guys very much for watching.
02:04:55.000 Dusty, thank you so much.
02:04:56.000 Yeah.
02:04:56.000 Thanks so much for having me.
02:04:58.000 What's your coordinates?
02:04:59.000 Where can people find you?
02:05:00.000 Yeah.
02:05:01.000 People can find me on Twitter at DustinDeVito.
02:05:03.000 That's primarily where I post.
02:05:05.000 And then they can go to our website, 1792Exchange.com.
02:05:08.000 All of our resources and research is free there.
02:05:11.000 I love it, dude.
02:05:11.000 Well, thank you so much.
02:05:12.000 Come back soon.
02:05:12.000 Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
02:05:13.000 Rebecca?
02:05:14.000 You can find me on X, Instagram, YouTube, everywhere out there.
02:05:18.000 It's Rebecca Zelko, spelled R E B E K A Z E L J K O. That's such a Croatian.
02:05:24.000 It's extremely Croatian.
02:05:25.000 Croatian. 0.62
02:05:26.000 All those Ks. 1.00
02:05:27.000 Correct. 0.99
02:05:28.000 Hey, Ian Crossland in the house.
02:05:29.000 Call me.
02:05:29.000 Hit me up.
02:05:30.000 You can call me.
02:05:31.000 I probably won't answer.
02:05:32.000 Follow me on YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram, really.
02:05:35.000 X and Instagram.
02:05:36.000 That's all I got.
02:05:37.000 Ian Crossland.
02:05:38.000 See you later.
02:05:38.000 Carter Banks.
02:05:40.000 What's up, everyone?
02:05:40.000 Carter Banks here.
02:05:41.000 You can follow me at Carter Banks on X, at Carter Banks Official on Instagram.
02:05:45.000 Also, Carter Banks on YouTube.
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02:05:51.000 Got some stuff coming up.
02:05:52.000 But yeah, it's been a Friday.
02:05:54.000 It's been a fun conversation.
02:05:57.000 I also wouldn't vote for Vivek.
02:05:59.000 But yeah, Tate.
02:06:01.000 We're creating a movement.
02:06:02.000 It's like Republicans that are comfortable saying no.
02:06:07.000 I'm not a Republican.
02:06:08.000 Maybe that's why.
02:06:09.000 That could be what it is.
02:06:10.000 I think that's, you know, it is what it is.
02:06:12.000 It is what it is.
02:06:12.000 It's for the best.
02:06:13.000 It happens.
02:06:13.000 Well, with that, guys, and I love the state of Ohio, by the way.
02:06:17.000 It's my home state.
02:06:18.000 It's a great state.
02:06:19.000 I want nothing.
02:06:20.000 I'm not saying this to like as that's a political pawn.
02:06:22.000 It's like legitimately one of the best states.
02:06:25.000 I think Cleveland is a sleeper.
02:06:26.000 It could be a sleeper.
02:06:27.000 I don't even want to talk about the cities that you should visit.
02:06:29.000 Go to Peninsula.
02:06:30.000 Check it out.
02:06:30.000 Peninsula, Ohio.
02:06:31.000 It's all good.
02:06:34.000 Cedar Point.
02:06:35.000 That's in Sandusky.
02:06:36.000 Unbelievable.
02:06:36.000 What's my favorite place?
02:06:37.000 My hometown, Cuyahoga Falls.
02:06:39.000 Okay.
02:06:40.000 I unleashed a hidden gem. 0.95
02:06:41.000 If you want to know what Middle America is and what it has always been since the 50s, go to Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio.
02:06:48.000 It's amazing.
02:06:49.000 It's right by the river, the Cuyahoga River.
02:06:51.000 I love it.
02:06:52.000 Well, Go follow Ian Crossland and ask him for more Ohio travel advice.
02:06:57.000 With that, thank you very much for watching.
02:07:00.000 Have a great weekend.
02:07:01.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealtateBrown, and we'll catch you guys on Monday.
02:07:07.000 See you later.
02:07:08.000 Thank you very much for watching.