00:01:39.000But other stories we must get to, as fun as it would be to monitor the situation on the hurricane.
00:01:44.000For hours on end, we have some interesting developments in the midterms.
00:01:49.000James Tallarico is apparently missing.
00:01:52.000The current story is that he is down for the count with the flu, but there are many rumors circulating as to why he may be out of the spotlight for the time being.
00:02:02.000We will discuss this and we will be discussing more on the Fort Hood public execution, which was announced yesterday by Pete Hegsef.
00:02:12.000JD Vance has come out and he's expressing doubts.
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00:03:09.000I'm your host, Tate Brown, here holding it down for Tim Poole, who is currently in Chicago for a fantastic event, which you guys will be hearing more about.
00:03:19.000But also, I want to shout out the city of Chicago and I want to send my condolences.
00:03:24.000This is the news that hit maybe an hour or two before we started filming today.
00:03:29.000Mike Ditka, the legendary coach of the Chicago Bears, is dead at age 86.
00:03:37.000And, you know, even if you're not an NFL fan or a football fan or certainly a Bears fan, I think you can sort of appreciate Mike Ditka insofar as he really is like cut from a different cloth, insofar as he really does represent a generation of Americans that are just gone.
00:03:54.000And yes, there's people that are distinctly Chicago, but, you know, distinctly 80s or whatever, but we're not making people like Mike Ditka anymore.
00:04:02.000So when you lose them, they don't come back.
00:04:04.000And I think that's what really makes me sad to see sort of this generation of Americans start to exit the scene because, once again, we're not recreating these types of individuals.
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00:05:56.000You're becoming a regular fixture around here.
00:05:58.000Well, we're winding down our time out here.0.73
00:06:00.000We're heading to D.C. soon, so it'll be more of your stomping grounds.
00:08:15.000But as I'm reading this, as we're getting the news, You know, it looks like it's going to be pretty heavy duty.
00:08:20.000And what's interesting about this is everyone was kind of breathing a sigh of relief because we made it through a hurricane season and there was really no, you know, major hurricane, certainly.
00:08:28.000So everyone's like, wow, we got pretty fortunate because the context of why we really can't afford a hurricane this go around in this hurricane season is our strategic oil supply is at an all time low.
00:08:41.000We've been, you know, releasing this on the market to try and keep oil prices under control, provide relief for a lot of, you know, Industries that need energy and energy supply.
00:08:51.000The global reserve is quite low right now.
00:08:54.000And if this, it's supposed to hit really the Florida Panhandle, Mobile, Biloxi.
00:09:01.000But again, it just takes a little bit of veering to the left to really neutralize a lot of heavy oil industry that we have here along obviously the Texas coast, infamously, but also into Louisiana.
00:09:12.000It's just we're flirting with a very disastrous situation here.
00:09:15.000So, again, while the odds of this completely grinding the American economy to a halt are low, the fact that there even is a chance of this happening is quite terrifying.
00:09:24.000I don't think people really realize what this would entail.
00:09:29.000As you're talking about this, I'm thinking about Atlantis, the story of Atlantis that it was destroyed by a global flood.
00:09:35.00012,800 years ago, comets apparently hit North America and North Asia, melted all the glacial ice, caused a catastrophic global flood, 1,800 meters high tidal waves.
00:09:48.000And then, when all the ice melted, because of isostatic rebound, the land went up where the ice used to be, and land elsewhere on the planet dropped down.
00:09:56.000So, not only did Atlanta sink, it was hit by a.0.98
00:09:59.000Basically, yeah, people are problems, leftist, rightist, garbage, but Mother Nature can wipe it all out.0.99
00:10:04.000So, it's important to remember that.0.96
00:10:07.000You know, this is maybe something AI can help us with.
00:10:45.000But yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like, obviously, in the immediate aftermath of the war, everyone kind of assumed the immediate effects.
00:10:54.000Of course, groceries would also get really expensive.
00:10:56.000But then there's things like this downstream where it's like, oh, it's actually really bad that we've had such depleted reserves for this extended period of time.
00:11:22.000He's, I mean, he knows the sort of stuff like the back of his hand.
00:11:26.000I'm using a pretty broad term there, but he's a very knowledgeable guy.
00:11:29.000And I remember him saying, like, pretty much at the outset of the war, once the supplies started dropping, he's like, dude, one hurricane and we're going to be in serious trouble, not just for our wallets, but like as a country.
00:11:41.000That's why, like, the third world countries get so wrecked when there's a natural disaster.
00:11:45.000It's like, Obviously, the disaster in and of itself is disastrous, but they also have like no resources and so they can't recover.
00:11:51.000And that's not a problem that we've we haven't had to confront that in the same way.
00:11:55.000Um, we've just had the luxury of being a very resource rich uh country, and now you know it's possible we're gonna have to feel some of that pain, which is not good.
00:12:04.000Got a taste, what was it, uh, North Carolina when that hurricane hit Ashburn?
00:12:09.000Ashville, yeah, they're still still devastated as far as I know.
00:12:12.000It was like a year and a half ago at this point, the hurricane was gonna hit Florida and it like went around and then nailed Ashburn.
00:12:18.000I mean, you see the potential devastation.
00:12:29.000It's something cross people don't realize is that the oil prices, you know, in the aftermath of these, these, you know, supply problems we're having with, you know, related to the Strait of Hormuz, oil should be a lot more expensive than actually is.
00:12:43.000You know, it's, it's failing to break above like what I think the highest it's gone is 120, 130, but it's crested back down in the 80s and it's been, been around there.
00:12:52.000People, you know, a lot of economists are saying it should be a lot higher.
00:13:18.000But others are saying this is putting a bandaid on the situation.
00:13:22.000And there will hit a point where they actually have to look and say, OK, we need to at least keep some of this aside in case we get invaded or something like that.
00:13:29.000Regardless, this has been a major reason why oil prices have stayed a bit lower than they should, is because of basically every country on earth dumping their strategic reserve to keep the economy under control.
00:13:42.000So, if I was the leader, I would say our strategic reserve is 100, but I would lie.
00:13:47.000I wouldn't tell you what our actual strategic reserve was because then everyone, all my enemies would know.
00:13:52.000So, they must have huge amounts of reserves somewhere that they don't talk about, I would think.
00:13:58.000That's only for like self defense, for military.
00:14:01.000I imagine there's like a military reserve that's un.
00:14:36.000You know, really lays a lick on the oil industry in Louisiana and, you know, East Texas.
00:14:42.000You know, we're in this situation where we only have two weeks of breathing room.
00:14:45.000That's two weeks for, you know, these refineries, et cetera, to get set up again.
00:14:50.000So, like, if you had the metaphor, like, if you had a room, you were controlling a room of people because you had a weapon and everyone's doing what you're saying and you're like, I'm the guard, I have a job here, but my gun, it might blow up at any moment.
00:17:11.000It's not just filling at the gas pump, it's like literally everything.
00:17:14.000It feels like the end of a chapter, like an end of a book where, like a cliffhanger, like an end of Star Wars episode two or the Empire, where like Luke's.
00:17:24.000Dying, you know, and they're like, uh, uh, uh, the world's falling.
00:17:27.000And then, like, the next movie, AI is like reorganizing and, like, actually, you can use methane for these products.
00:17:32.000And here's how you build the pipelines.
00:17:50.000But the only issue I see, and I don't even know if AI can handle this, is like, how do we, Get off the oil if we're like the oil system is very old school combustion, it's 1850s technology, 1890s technology, whatever.
00:18:04.000Um, and and it's a power, it's like a power tool.
00:19:35.000Fine, then I actually like the self driving stuff is makes me so nervous.
00:19:39.000The most recent time I've almost been in a car accident was in a Waymo, it was really deeply uncomfortable because the it locks you in the car.
00:19:48.000You get in the car and the doors all lock.
00:19:51.000Oh, yeah, it's just you and the robot, and it's like, yeah, someone got like Ted Kennedy that like drove into like a river or it was like raining out or something and got stuck and they couldn't get out.
00:20:00.000Can unlock the car if you're in it and it's driving.
00:20:02.000Okay, so speaking of the oil prices, and we're talking about Waymo and self driving, has anybody else had a ton of friends and family members?
00:20:10.000Buying Teslas in the past few months with all the gas prices going up?
00:20:15.000My family's all like, you can buy anything right now.0.98
00:20:17.000My family's very like, like, like, like, authentically OG, like conservative chud, where they're like, even though Elon is like tactically on our side, we think electric cars are gay, so we're not going to be spiritually very.0.95
00:20:28.000And I'm like, that's kind of how I feel, where I'm like, you know, Elon, like, thanks, dude.0.98
00:20:33.000Like, thanks for the donations and everything.
00:20:46.000The way I view Teslas is the way I view like a massive pickup truck, where it's like, I don't want to drive it, but I want to have friends who have one.
00:20:53.000You know, I want to be able to drive in the big truck, drive in the Tesla, but I don't want to own it myself.
00:21:24.000Technically, your hat could be built out of something like that, but that'd be cool to have cars that just charge your cell phone with your hat.
00:21:46.000When we, if we can, that's the real, I think, the stock.
00:21:49.000In Britain, they're trying, they were rolling out like a 11 mile or 12 mile.
00:21:53.000Run of freeway where the road would charge the car as it drove over it.
00:21:57.000And that was like 10 years ago, they were experimenting with that.
00:22:00.000But that means you got to retrofit all the roads.
00:22:02.000I think it would be cheaper to build the cars.
00:22:04.000Well, you could take them off road and they'd still charge.
00:22:06.000Speaking of experiments, Pete Hegseth is experimenting with sort of what's really an old, archaic almost way of execution, which is the public execution.
00:22:16.000And this has been well received by a lot of people online.
00:22:20.000I'm still fielding my people that are maybe not as online to see how they feel about this.
00:22:24.000They're a little bit more like, oh, that's.
00:22:39.000And this is just very straightforward.
00:22:40.000He said he won't watch a potential live stream.
00:22:42.000Now that he says, whatever the controversy is about the method of execution, I hope that people don't forget that this is a guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people.
00:22:51.000Now that said, I mean, look, if it's all through live stream, I'm not going to be watching it.
00:23:00.000Usually you would assume he's going to go to bat for this idea.
00:23:04.000Obviously, Hegseth is defending his idea.
00:23:08.000Tom Tillis, who has been counter signaling the admin a lot recently, condemned plans to make the execution public, saying Hassan should face the death penalty.
00:23:17.000He's talking about the Fort Hood shooter, not the Twitch stream.
00:23:20.000I thought it was who he was talking about last night.
00:23:25.000That's a little bit of a let's ban him.0.61
00:23:28.000First, anyway, but making his execution public and streaming it beyond disgusting public executions are what oppressive dictatorships like Iran and Afghanistan do.
00:23:36.000It should not be happening in America.
00:23:39.000John Curtis doesn't like it, so it's like a lot of the typical suspects you would assume don't like it.
00:23:44.000And then, once again, a lot of the typical suspects that support it are also supporting it.
00:23:49.000Rep Andy Ogles says, excellent public execution is what this terrorist deserves.
00:25:13.000Well, you said like these things hang out on like hills and like watch wars happen.
00:25:17.000That was like the thing you would do on the weekend.
00:25:19.000Yeah, gladiator man, they used to show up and uh eat popcorn stuff while it was like it was a whole production, yeah.
00:25:28.000They didn't televise it though, that's the big difference.
00:25:31.000The age of TV is a little like it'll be recorded if they do it forever, it will be remembered.
00:25:38.000Six year olds will watch it, four year olds will see it, and they'll think it's normal and they'll be like, oh, cool.
00:25:42.000Or some of them might be like, watch it a thousand times and just watch the way he does it.
00:25:46.000It could create serious psychopathy in the human mind.
00:25:50.000And the strongest, most powerful, most supposedly ethical country on the planet.
00:25:54.000About to show everyone some horror is like, I'm totally with not broadcasting it.
00:26:00.000I'm down with killing this dude if he deserves it, but I've been struggling like the last 20 years.
00:26:05.000I'm so glad JD, of all people, that he was the guy that said something and he's not the commander, so he can't order the stand down or he can't change.0.99
00:28:01.000Like immortalizing it is what you have.
00:28:03.000Yeah, it'll be used as propaganda if they do that, like terrorist propaganda for 20, 30, 40 years of like, look at these, this is what we're up against, this is what we're up against.
00:28:11.000Well, that's what some people were talking about.
00:28:13.000They're saying that, like, this kind of strain of like Islamic terrorism, you know, jihad or whatever, that they, like, they want to be martyred.
00:28:21.000Like, this to them is kind of like the end goal.
00:28:24.000A lot of these, like, terrorists already are intending to, like, commit suicide in some sort of dramatic fashion to, like, really, that's, like, round out, I guess, the attack.
00:29:16.000Terrorist guy like this, that's probably like the best case scenario to go out on TV and everyone's like, oh yeah, check me out.
00:29:21.000What if he screams some religious thing, some Islamic religious thing, right before they get him and he becomes this immortalized hero, like Che Guevara?1.00
00:30:23.000In the past, you know, horror things they would do is like they would torture him to make a confession that what he did was wrong and denounce Islam and all that stuff and just torture the out of them until he does it.
00:30:52.000Obviously, I can't dictate what the guy does, but just like from an optics perspective, like if you're the vice president, like if you're a member of the administration, like you kind of forfeit, you know, like you kind of forfeit the ability to be choosy in a situation like this.
00:31:06.000I feel like symbolically it's important for the administration to kind of like send a message.
00:31:11.000I don't necessarily, I kind of get what you're saying with like, you know, immortalizing it, maybe not, like, but he should be there, maybe, or like, go ahead.
00:33:18.000And the thing with the execution, too, it's not just whether he shows up, but also how he portrays himself.
00:33:23.000Because if the argument for people who are okay with the execution occurring is just, it's like, okay, then this is an opportunity to teach people about that.
00:33:33.000And so it's not that we're just celebrating.
00:34:22.000Um, the worst that like I've been exposed to is like police body cam footage, but it's all censored, it's all on like YouTube, and that will stress me out after like 30 minutes.
00:34:30.000But like, kind of like we were saying, it's like, well, someone's gotta do it, you know, gotta carry the boats, someone has got to carry the boats, and like it's good to, I guess, no, but like, I don't know about I mean, I'll watch one of those and I'll like go on a walk, like, the camera in my head.
00:34:45.000I couldn't imagine five years straight of it.
00:35:33.000And I hope Trump makes the moral call here.
00:35:35.000I'm curious to know what Trump does because I feel like he's going to, like I said earlier, I feel like it's going to become a spectacle if he decides to go through with it.
00:36:55.000Maybe Pete's philosophy is he wants to desensitize the world to violence because it's real and he has seen it and he wants the American people to like snap out of this comatose post Cold War.
00:37:07.000Everything's candy canes and rainbows, everyone.
00:38:22.000No, so, so the story with this, I had been doing some reporting on this this week.
00:38:26.000Basically, um, Virginia, obviously, new governor Abigail Spanberger, she comes in, and the parole board consists of five members.
00:38:34.000Each, um, each governor can choose to appoint a new board.0.99
00:38:38.000She decided to fire all these are all the Youngkin people, she fired them all, and she replaced them with her five of her own parole board members.0.99
00:38:44.000And basically, what they do every month is they like review all the cases and decide whether or not.1.00
00:38:48.000Someone should stay in prison or if they should get released.
00:38:51.000And I was looking through the parole decisions from August and September, and it's insane.
00:39:22.000There's a couple guys here who just like, if you'll read their rap sheet, it's, you know, it's some of the worst stuff.
00:39:29.000And that some of the victims or like the family members of the victims will go to the parole board meetings and they're like, please don't release this person.
00:39:36.000They, you know, murdered my relative or they, you know, assaulted, you know, like it's really, it's the most horrific stuff that you could imagine, probably whatever you're watching on that website.
00:39:51.000So on the spreadsheets, they have a box kind of explaining.
00:39:54.000Why are they letting these people out?
00:39:56.000And they said things like, oh, they had eventually sustained emotional and behavioral stability.
00:40:01.000They said that they have a low risk score or whatever that means, or that they had been actively participating in faith and community programs in prison, and that they didn't have any infractions in the last 24 months or whatever.
00:40:15.000And it's just like you're reading this and it's comical, like Tate said.
00:40:18.000This is like a cartoonish type of evil, except it's right here.
00:40:31.000And already they've just been, they've unironically been letting the worst criminals just back into Virginia communities.
00:40:38.000Have any of these people committed crimes again?
00:40:42.000Well, so this is from August and September.
00:40:44.000So this is like just a couple weeks ago.
00:40:46.000And so, up until then, obviously they weren't, but I haven't seen, I haven't followed with the reporting since then.
00:40:54.000A lot of these people are hard to track down.
00:40:56.000I was like trying to see if I can get in touch with any of the relatives, but because a lot of these crimes were committed in the 80s and 90s, like there's just no reporting available.
00:41:04.000Like these people are difficult to follow.
00:41:06.000The only place that they pop up is on the actual.
00:41:09.000Like decisions that are released by the Virginia government that are like made public.
00:41:13.000Like, this isn't information that we had to dig up and like, you know, and find.
00:41:17.000You click on it and it says which parole board members voted and why.
00:41:22.000And a lot of these decisions, five of the six people that were originally sentenced to life that were let out were voted to, were paroled unanimously by the board.
00:41:32.000All five of them were like, it's fine.
00:41:45.000Like, I don't know, you got sentenced to life.
00:41:47.000Like, that's what the life sentence is.
00:41:49.000And so, I don't know, it's been really an insane thing for a lot of Virginia residents to live through because it's not just this, it's a ton of the soft on crime policies that's been really affecting the quality of life for people.
00:42:18.000But I mean, it's just one of those things, like, on principle, like, it shouldn't be, you know, like, this shouldn't be a situation that you're like, this guy murdered a bunch.
00:42:26.000Like, well, there's one guy that murdered his dad and then left the knife in his, like, head.
00:42:31.000And they were like, it's, he's probably chilled out by now.
00:42:35.000We just, it's like a complete misunderstanding of the point of prison.
00:42:38.000And even insofar as, like, rehabilitation is not the point of prison, the point of prison is this person is unstable, unfit to be in society.
00:42:45.000Even punishment, I mean, in the case of a murder, you're never going to get justice for that, right?
00:43:09.000And so, even the most gratuitous reading of what they're doing here, where they're like, let's just take them at their word and say, they truly believe these people are rehabilitated.
00:43:19.000That is just off of evidence of them in a prison environment.
00:43:22.000We have no example of how they operate outside of prison.
00:43:25.000Who's to say, even if they're geriatric, who's to say because their mind is so just broken that they don't just fall right back into the same thing?
00:43:31.000We see reoffense rates are quite high, especially in the United States.
00:43:35.000But it's just fascinating to me how, in some instances, we have all this remorse for these geriatrics.0.86
00:43:42.000When they commit a crime as evil as this, but since they're old, we have this remorse and we're like, well, look, it's just a little old man.
00:43:48.000But then in other instances, it's not the case.
00:43:50.000You will see with, And this is good, by the way.
00:43:53.000Like, I'm not necessarily opposed to this, but with Bill Cosby, people are like, you know, he's elderly, but no one felt bad for him.
00:44:00.000They're like, this creepy old man, get him out of here.
00:44:02.000Or the same thing when they find these like old Holocaust guards or, you know, these like SS soldiers and they're like in their 80s or 90s and they're hobbling around and they're like, I don't care that he's elderly.
00:44:11.000So it's like, as a society, sometimes we get annoyed that they're elderly and we can't like hold them to the full, you know, give them the full suffering that should, you know, prison should entail.0.87
00:44:23.000But then in other instances when they're old, Something is just weird in the American psyche where we actually don't view murder as that big of a deal.0.62
00:44:31.000And maybe to your point earlier, and like people maybe are desensitized, but there's like other crimes that people get more worked up over than murder, which is like literally the worst thing ever.
00:44:42.000And a lot of the criminals who were eventually paroled committed a lot of those crimes that you're talking about.
00:44:49.000It's not exclusively murder, it's some of the most horrific.
00:45:01.000Like, sometimes you'll see something that's sprinkled in, but the vast majority of these guys were in jail for, or in prison for, like, really, really violent, not just, you know, not to say just murder, but like murder, slew of other things that I don't really want to talk about.
00:45:14.000But yeah, it's, it's, you can go look for it, look at it yourself.
00:45:24.000But this brings up a conversation about forgiveness and about, this is a conversation we had before.
00:45:29.000I'd like to get your take on a two dozen is, is like, if you steal when you're eight, If you stole some MMs and then you're 60, are you still a thief?
00:45:38.000If you killed someone when you were 14 and now you're 70 and you've been like a saint and you've spoken for people's rights and activists and you've helped families through losing people for 50 years, are you still a murderer?
00:46:29.000There's no, that's why a lot of people will say, you know, there's a civil suit that follows and they get a billion dollar payout.
00:46:35.000You know, if their company, like something dropped on them or whatever, like a piano drops on them and they get a billion dollars from Yamaha.
00:46:40.000But they're like, yeah, it's a billion dollars, but it's still not bringing back Johnny.
00:46:43.000Yeah, but the MMs aren't coming back, Tate.
00:46:59.000Were you asking about the age difference with the, like, oh, the person commits the crime when they're eight and then now they're 60.
00:47:04.000Were you asking because is there a certain point in your opinion at which you almost can't hold them accountable for something they did?
00:47:10.000I tend to think, like, sometimes people will do something once and then.
00:47:14.000There's a tendency to be like for the rest of their life, they will say they are that kind of person, even though they only did it one time when they were very young and had never done it since and actually are against that kind of stuff for their life.
00:47:25.000And like, why would you call that person a thing?
00:47:40.000Well, I think these guys are like repeat offenders too, though.
00:47:42.000It's like, as much as I want to be like, You know, charitable to people who are just who didn't make the right life choices and then you know have really been able to repent and whatever.
00:47:52.000Like, I think, on in like a personal capacity, I think it's okay to forgive people in a setting like that, but just from a practical perspective, I think it's really irresponsible to like cut these sentences short because it's like there's just no way of knowing really.
00:48:06.000Like, they could have exhibited all of the signs that you know they really are a remorseful, repentant person and that they're reformed and all these things, and then something could just you know, a flip could switch and something could they could go out and do the same thing or something worse.
00:48:20.000And it's just not like practical from a societal perspective, in my opinion, to be empathetic in that way.
00:48:25.000I think in a personal capacity, like if you were victimized or someone you know was, like I think that's fine to do that in that setting.
00:48:32.000Like you'll see people who were victimized, like find it in, usually Christians, find it in and of themselves to like, to forgive their attacker.
00:48:49.000And my mind instantly jumps to Erica Kirk, right?
00:48:52.000And the forgiveness she was willing to extend.
00:48:55.000And yeah, you have to separate the personal dimension from the role that.
00:49:00.000The state plays in wanting to protect other people, like Tate is talking about.
00:49:03.000You know, even if somebody forgives somebody else for an offense done, you still have to take into account okay, but is that person going to change?
00:49:22.000You know, it's like, I don't even want to roll the dice on this stuff.
00:49:24.000Like, I've been so radicalized by the crime, just like living in D.C., it's like, Constant, it's everywhere, like even the petty stuff really gets to me.
00:49:33.000It's like, we honestly don't think that we're being harsh enough, like at all.
00:49:39.000They let the society, yeah, they let crime come, and then they tell you the solution is let us have more control of, and then people be like, please put flock cameras and all this control.
00:49:50.000Like, I just think that we should at least enforce the existing penalties, we should enforce the law as it at least exists.
00:50:04.000It's like, I shouldn't have to worry about using the public transportation or like getting mugged or getting assaulted because I like dared to go out with my friends like past sun, like sundown.
00:50:14.000It's like, there's some, there's just certain things that like I actually don't really want to compromise on.
00:50:20.000Like, again, personal capacity, if you find it in yourself to forgive somebody who wronged you or attacked you or like, you know, did something horrific, I think that's like really admirable.
00:50:31.000But I just don't think that that's, Practice, maybe it's just because I'm a woman, but like I don't think it's practical.
00:50:35.000Forgiveness doesn't mean letting people go, Scott free.
00:50:37.000Like, if someone's threatening me and constantly, and I'm like, please stop, please stop, and they keep doing it, I'll say, you don't understand what you're doing, but I'm gonna have to retaliate if you don't stop.
00:50:46.000And then if they do it again, I will destroy them, and then I will forgive them for what they did.
00:50:51.000I won't hate them for it, but they must be gone because they can't, it's disrupting.0.91
00:50:56.000I can't let that continue, but I still forgive them for they didn't know, but so I'm not gonna harbor hatred, but that.
00:51:03.000So, it's not about are they in prison, are they not?
00:51:05.000Like, if they need to go, they need to go.
00:51:07.000But if these people are legitimately like worth a chance, maybe 40 years of learning and dealing with what they did, maybe, I mean, it's like a case by case basis.
00:51:19.000Well, I guess to Rebecca's point, and I understand what you're saying, I just think like people aren't in the mood right now to sort of be in this like introspective.
00:51:28.000Well, because crime's so out of control.
00:51:29.000You can't really afford to do that right now.
00:51:31.000And it's not violent crime is actually down, which is quite interesting when people find that out.
00:51:36.000But it's this like, Underlying level of danger that is still persistent in America.
00:51:40.000It feels like it gets worse every year because there's so much disorder.
00:51:42.000And to your point, this was something Amber Duke over at the Daily Club was talking about when the flock camera debate was kicking off.
00:51:49.000She was saying, Look, if the police have demonstrated that they're doing everything they can and crime is still continuing to go up, then we can have a conversation about flock cameras.
00:51:58.000But her point was, We're not even pursuing these people.
00:52:03.000We're not throwing the book at them, certainly, but we're not even doing the basic law enforcement.
00:52:40.000And it's like, so it enrages me so much.
00:52:43.000It's like there's plenty of people who want to just live a normal life and want to live in a high trust society and not have to worry about getting their winter jacket ripped off their body by some like 16 year old in a ski mask on public transportation.
00:52:55.000That also happened to jump the turnstile.
00:52:56.000It's like, yeah, just to add insult to injury, they also didn't pay for the metro.
00:53:13.000If I was surrounded by watching people commit crimes unfettered and like violent crime too, not just like stealing, I don't, yeah, I'm not, stealing can be considered violent depending on what you're stealing.
00:53:22.000But it's like, it's, it's, it's the overall disorder, right?
00:53:25.000Everyone just feels like everything is getting worse, and that's true.
00:53:28.000Like everything is getting dirtier and worse.
00:53:29.000More dangerous, even if you're not worried about getting murdered, right?
00:53:32.000It's still like everything is just the quality of your surroundings, your environment is getting worse.
00:53:37.000And this is why this totally neutralizes the ability of the state for these releases to have any power.
00:53:45.000Insofar as maybe this person that was released truly has turned their life around, and maybe there is an argument, maybe the people that were victimized have forgiven them, and there's an argument for rehabilitation and letting them out of prison.
00:53:57.000The problem is they fail to enforce the law at any level, certainly at the lower levels, they fail to enforce it.
00:54:04.000Skeptical that they're actually releasing these people and they truly have, you know, turned their lives around.
00:54:10.000Again, if the government had, like, was, you know, 100% track record or a really good track record on law enforcement administering fair sentences, et cetera, then people probably wouldn't care that much if someone that's been in jail for 40 years and their geriatric gets released a few years early.
00:54:25.000Probably wouldn't even be a news story.
00:54:27.000But the reason why this kind of stuff enrages people is because we're not in an environment of, like, law enforcement.
00:54:32.000We're not in an environment where people feel like justice is being carried out.
00:54:36.000Certainly consistently because middle class people, you're getting popped with speeding tickets all the time.0.72
00:54:40.000When I drive through Washington, D.C., probably once a month, I'm getting an automated traffic ticket.0.99
00:55:12.000So I'm just sitting here and I'm like, I'm the one getting harassed by the government.
00:55:17.000And these people are getting a free ride.
00:55:18.000So that's why, not to kick a dead horse here, but when the whole flock camera thing kicked up, that pissed me off because I was like, whoa, hang on.
00:55:25.000This is just, if this is going to be anything like law enforcement has been in this country, certainly in major cities for the last 10 years, I'm just going to get jaywalking tickets.
00:55:34.000The flock camera catches me walking across the sidewalk.1.00
00:55:37.000And these delinquent, slack jawed derelects who are just committing these low level crimes at all times.1.00
00:55:42.000Harassing me, making no one, you know, everyone feels unsafe.1.00
00:55:45.000They're like literal crazy psychopaths.0.99
00:55:48.000They get to conduct business as usual.1.00
00:55:50.000So, yeah, like you'll get a ticket if you enjoy a bottle of wine with your friends to the park on a nice summer afternoon.
00:55:56.000But like if someone's fent folding, right, like 10 feet away from you, they like nobody does anything about it.
00:56:01.000It's like this, like it's that, it's that gap that really, it's just like, again, it's the quality of life thing.
00:56:06.000It's like you can't just be, you could be a totally normal, well intentioned person living life and still get hit with tickets for like random crap that like just shouldn't be.
00:56:15.000You know, it's not stuff you should be getting in trouble for, or they're like kind of twisting the law as it's written to, you know, basically just make more money off of normal people who didn't actually do anything wrong, but they know that they're, since they're normal, they're actually going to pay the ticket.
00:56:28.000That's the sort of stuff that, like, just really grinds my gears.
00:56:34.000The legal system targeting people that they know can pay the ticket, or that letting prisoners out because they're too expensive to hold in prison.
00:56:41.000I don't know if that's a calculation when they're paroling people, but I thought that DC had been, over the last year or so, since the National Guard was unleashed, a lot.
00:56:49.000Less crime and that crime had been going down.
00:56:52.000I mean, it's better, but it's still at the end of the day of an American city.
00:56:55.000And American, for whatever reason, the United States just has like an inability to make our cities feel safe.
00:57:01.000It's because we leave it to the citizen to protect themselves in this country.
00:57:06.000I don't even know if that's, I don't think these blue cities necessarily are like Second Amendment purists and they're like all the civilian.0.86
00:57:12.000Because if you defend yourself in a lot of these cities, they'll actually take it out in you.0.62
00:57:16.000Like, infamously, there was one in New York City where the guy shot him in the back.
00:57:19.000So he went to jail and the home intruder got off.
00:57:22.000Because you have a duty to retreat or whatever.
00:57:26.000So I think it's actually the opposite problem in these cities is that they don't expect the civilians to take care of themselves, which I, as an American, I'm uncomfortable with, but I'd be like, okay, that must mean the police are doing a bang up job, right?
00:57:47.000Even in DC, like, I'm not to be like, you know, not to be a woman about it, but just like from a female perspective, our options are so limited in terms of self defense.
00:57:55.000Like, Even if you manage to obtain a concealed carry license after you've like proven that your life is in danger and taken all these classes and all these things, jump through all these hoops, which none of the people who carry guns illegally and irresponsibly have to go through, then it's like by the time that rolls around, you can't actually carry it anywhere that it matters.
00:58:15.000Like, because there's all these weird jurisdictional issues about like federal property and all these things.
00:58:19.000You can't take it on the metro, which is like definitely one of the hot spots.
00:58:22.000Like, it's one of the most unavoidable ways that people interact with crime daily or like regularly because obviously people just, you know, Take the metro and they get around the city and they just hop off the green line and like literally steal your Canada Goose jacket.0.96
00:58:37.000I remember there was like, we would get crime alert notifications of like shootings at the metro because people would be carrying, you know, firearms illegally and they're obviously morons and they don't know what they're doing.0.58
00:58:48.000But then it's like, if I want to be in a situation where, God forbid, I'd have to protect myself, that's illegal.0.96
00:58:53.000I would potentially be reprimanded for that.
00:58:55.000And like, and you get on the metro and you see some like large woman, some large security guard with a gun on her waist and you're like, My odds of death have just got like tripled.
00:59:05.000It's like this girl's probably going to shoot me or someone's going to take her gun off her waist.0.99
00:59:09.000It's stuff like that that people interact with on a regular basis that is like so black pilling, unfortunately.0.99
00:59:14.000And it's all happening in the nation's capital just to make it a little bit worse.0.86
00:59:17.000But yeah, and it's like, okay, you know, people respond and say, well, this is why you get out of the cities.
00:59:22.000And it's like, I think America should have these people who are not in the cities.
00:59:25.000Like, I mean, I get if you have a bone to pick with cities, but, you know, and Europe, as bad as things have gotten there, their city centers are still quite nice.
00:59:44.000But the point is, you know, at least the cities there still function to some degree.
00:59:50.000Like, you don't feel like you're going to get your head sawed off walking around, you know, certainly some of these cities like Amsterdam or Berlin or Edinburgh is fantastic.
01:00:00.000My point is, you know, American, especially American young people, because that's where a lot of the best jobs are, should at least have the option of living in a city and, once again, not being worried about.
01:00:10.000You know, being victimized by crime every single day.
01:00:14.000It get out of the cities if that's your prerogative, but you know, some of us like to live in cities, you know, why because our ancestors had that option up until literally the 1960s and 70s, people could live in the city, and in many cases, the cities were actually safer than the countryside.
01:00:28.000Uh, and you know, depending on which state you lived in, um, certainly not the case anymore.
01:00:35.000And it's just it's these little erosions of your sovereignty as an American, as your liberty as an American.
01:00:41.000Yes, your liberty isn't always eroded by the government, sometimes your liberty is eroded by government inaction, and crime is a great example where my liberty.
01:00:49.000As an American, it is actually encroached upon by government inaction.
01:00:52.000Their inability to effectively police the community actually makes me, it actually gives me less liberty to go about my life.
01:01:16.000Something that's really interesting to think about is, you know, why is it the case that the Overwhelming majority of these large cities are Democratic run.
01:01:23.000I mean, there's very few that have Republicans in office.
01:01:27.000And then you compare that with the fact that everybody's moving out of the blue states and into the red states, largely speaking, and definitely since COVID.
01:01:35.000And I think it's a reminder that a lot of people who maybe sit a little bit closer to where we might on certain political issues, especially with law enforcement and in response to crime, are typically the kinds of people who aren't as interested in obtaining power or running for office or things like that.
01:01:50.000We see how power is exercised in a way.
01:01:53.000That maybe repulses us or disgusts us, or that we don't like, or things are unjust.
01:01:57.000And then that just scares us from it overall.
01:02:00.000But it's like if we want to create these cities that are going to be very safe, they're going to put the safety of their citizens first, then people on our side, so to speak, loosely defined, those people need to be willing to run for office and really be the people making the change.
01:02:16.000I think that's such a broad pattern we see across institutions as we have all these large institutions, and most people can see the problems with them, but we're the people who are willing to step up and actually.
01:02:29.000The Ben Franklin quote, I think I was just thinking about when you were talking is people that are willing to give up their freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety.
01:02:39.000And I'm thinking about like AI observation, spy tech to protect like robot police, drone detection, and like scanning citizens to make sure that people aren't jaywalking.
01:02:51.000Like at some point, you can deviate from the order.
01:02:53.000I'm not going to ticket you for speeding five miles.
01:02:55.000But if I see somebody getting mugged, I've got a drone right above hand.
01:03:59.000Albeit sometimes it'll be imperfect and in situations where it's warranted, like, yeah, you know, respond appropriately.
01:04:05.000But, like, a lot of the, I think a lot of, What you're seeing is just hesitancy to enforce the law as it is because you don't want to get in trouble.
01:04:11.000You don't want to become the next Derek Chauvin.
01:04:36.000But you're probably seeing a lot of people are probably demoralized by just how limited law enforcement have been in the last years, like you described.
01:04:46.000Two parts is that one is the law isn't always the right thing.
01:04:50.000Sometimes laws can be evil and you're supposed to break them to do the right thing.
01:04:54.000Like in Nazi Germany, for instance.0.52
01:04:55.000Yeah, or like disobey like speeding tickets.
01:05:01.000Like if the government were to issue some evil law that says you've got to turn your neighbor in if they speak, you know, whatever, you violate that, you've done the good, you're the good guy in those situations.
01:05:09.000And history will write you as the good guy because the tyrannical evil law.
01:05:12.000So breaking the law can be very good sometimes.
01:05:15.000It's just not usually, you know, ideally the laws are good and you have a balanced society.
01:05:20.000Just straight up enforce the law isn't necessarily the right thing.
01:05:23.000That's why I'm concerned about having robot, like automated law enforcement.
01:05:27.000Because if it's just by the book and you're like, bro, I had to run into the middle of the street to get the kid out, I know I blocked traffic and threatened a bunch of drivers, but like it was the right thing to do.0.98
01:05:37.000And if I get a ticket for that, I'm like, what in the fuck?0.96
01:05:39.000No, you need good cops that have good judgment that are allowed to, you know, exercise that judgment in like life or death scenarios sometimes.0.99
01:05:46.000Just like they should be like, I'm not worried necessarily about the vast majority of police's judgment.
01:05:51.000Like the vast, vast, I would venture to say 99.99999%.
01:05:55.000Of the police force, I totally trust them.
01:05:57.000Like, I don't think that that's necessarily a problem.
01:05:59.000It's just that, like, the crimes, like, the laws that aren't being enforced are not like evil laws.
01:06:07.000It's just normal laws that are good that just they're just not allowed to enforce.
01:06:10.000It's because also because they're sworn to protect the order, not the law.
01:06:16.000So if breaking up a horde of fentanyl addicts is actually going to cause a mob to riot and throw stuff, they're not going to do it because that will disorder.
01:06:28.000Sometimes it means they let people break.
01:06:29.000The law, which is the weird thing about it.
01:06:31.000Well, there's another like that's an that's in that specific situation.
01:06:34.000Obviously, the prescription there is just to like bring back institutionalized, like, just give these people a place to go.
01:06:42.000Like, that's not just like funded by some obscure NGO that gets unlimited money from the local government that like doesn't actually fix the problem.
01:06:49.000Like, some of these people, like, that are severely addicted and severely troubled, unfortunately, like, do need to be held against their will in some capacity because it's like clearly they aren't capable of making the necessary life decision to stop.
01:07:03.000You know, to correct their life, to course correct.
01:07:06.000You mean like insane asylums or like whatever you want to call them?0.99
01:07:40.000I mean, now you've got to waste all this money on orthodontists.
01:07:42.000Back in the days, chew on a leather strap.
01:07:44.000Except for this one dude, and I hate to throw Joe under the bus, but my dad was saying this one patient, Joe, would just start gnawing on the wooden bedposts because he wanted to get out of the bed.
01:07:53.000He'd be stuck and he'd just start chewing on it.
01:08:05.000I grew up 40 minutes from San Francisco and like.
01:08:08.000People, I mean, I'm sure everybody knows this by now, but like if you, if you drive, if you dare to drive there with your own personal vehicle, people will leave the cars unlocked.
01:08:16.000They'll put like pieces of paper in the window saying, there's nothing in my car.
01:09:09.000That's, I think you're right as an American.1.00
01:09:11.000And that is being encroached upon by these fent heads.1.00
01:09:15.000Additionally, another place where we're seeing our liberty eroded by government inaction is this fascinating scoop that you have, Dusty.1.00
01:09:41.000Normal charity, but this company here, who I guess a lot of these charity reroutes utilize, has been blocking these great charities?
01:09:51.000Yeah, so there's been a ton of talk, especially this year, about the Southern Poverty Law Center and the controversy there with the fraud and the federal indictment and people getting arrested who work there.
01:10:02.000And so, what I tried to do in this piece is connect that abstract outrage story, which everyone's justifiably outraged about, to something that's more every day that affects millions of people in the country.
01:10:15.000So, most people listening probably are aware of the Southern Poverty Law Center and that it has this so called hate list.
01:10:21.000So, they keep a list of organizations that they deem, in their view, to be hateful.
01:10:25.000The problem isn't that the list doesn't have any hateful organizations on it or extremist ones, it's that it's overly broad in nature.
01:10:32.000And so, after the SPLC had essentially bankrupted the Klan, you have to start inventing hate in order to keep the money coming in.
01:10:40.000And so, there's a lot of groups like Turning Point USA, Alliance Defending Freedom, Focus on the Family, Do No Harm.
01:10:47.000Who are moms for liberty who are on this so called hate list?
01:10:51.000Well, how does that impact millions of Americans?
01:10:53.000It impacts them because there are over 200 major companies in the Fortune 1000 who are likely or potentially using that hate list to screen which nonprofits that the companies are willing to match their employees' donations to.
01:11:10.000So, in other words, for a lot of large companies, they do a gift match program.
01:11:13.000They say, hey, Tate, we will match dollar for dollar, whoever you give money to, up to $2,000 this year.
01:11:20.000But they have to outsource that work of vetting because, of course, the company doesn't want to be complicit in gift matching to a nonprofit that's really some like foreign group that's just scamming money off Americans, right?
01:11:30.000They have to go through all this process, a different, you know, OFAC and terrorist lists and whatever else.
01:11:36.000And so in the piece, I'm really highlighting how the largest charitable giving platform in the world, Benevity, that's who hundreds of these major companies are using, Benevity was relying on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate list.
01:11:51.000And so, The two clear pieces of evidence were their internal global cause vetting document was obtained, and it shows that their in house list builds upon the SPLC's hate list.
01:12:05.000Okay, so it doesn't consider it, it builds upon, meaning it's at the foundation of their system.
01:12:10.000And if you go down later in the piece, I talk about their CEO, Kelly, former CEO, Kelly Schmidt.
01:12:14.000And in her PowerPoint presentation, she was bragging about using the Southern Poverty Law Center's list.
01:12:19.000And so this company, Benevity, they're processing billions of dollars in charitable donations a year to nonprofits in America.
01:12:27.000And top recipients, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, but then anything that would be considered more centrist or libertarian or conservative or family advocacy based, a lot of those groups, again, like turning.
01:12:39.000Like Turning Point USA, not allowed to give to, right?
01:12:47.000Well, I mean, I don't know if you can speak to this, but a few months ago, obviously, it had broken that the SPLC was sort of funding indirectly or directly groups that we would consider extreme, far right groups, and that sort of thing.
01:13:03.000And to your initial point, when you kind of run out of extremism, maybe you have to invent some out of thin air.
01:13:18.000This isn't just like some list that doesn't affect us.
01:13:21.000And this is only something that people in conservative media care about.
01:13:23.000Once again, this is eliminating your ability as, you know, just a normal person, a normal American to donate to charities that you agree with because you don't even have the option.
01:13:31.000When you go into this portal, they're not even available there.
01:13:33.000And it's because of the SPLC, who on the same, you know, the same organization is funding the extremism that they're worried about.
01:14:11.000But this cropped up again last year because The SPLC put Turning Point USA on its hate list last year.
01:14:20.000And then they put out a hate watch thing about Charlie Kirk the month of the assassination.
01:14:26.000And so there was an incident in 2012 at the Family Research Council office where there's a gunman who went in and shot it up.
01:14:33.000And they did come to find out that the hate list was his inspiration.
01:14:38.000And so there are connections you can make between the list and violence.
01:14:41.000And so as that news came out about Turning Point being added to the hate list, which is absurd, and then as the federal indictment came out and they're funneling all the money.
01:14:49.000This has certainly raised the temperature, so to speak.
01:14:53.000But here's what's even more interesting, and I'm breaking this on the show.
01:14:58.000In my piece, I made sure that everything was really well sourced, that it was really clear to people, and I couldn't link to Benevity's website because they were hiding this information and eventually deleted it.
01:15:07.000So I did what any journalist would do I linked to the Wayback Machine, right?
01:15:10.000I go, okay, it might be off the internet, but the internet's forever.
01:15:25.000Now, in this piece, if you go and click on the links and it opens into the Wayback Machine, it says, Sorry, that URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.
01:15:38.000Well, likely, potentially likely, it's the case that Benevity, instead of addressing the issue, they have contacted the Wayback Machine to remove the URLs.
01:15:50.000There's still other ways to elevate this information.
01:15:52.000But for us, when we're You know, exposing these intersecting interests for companies, the goal is always to be as constructive as possible.
01:16:01.000So, for us, it's not about a, oh, we gotcha.
01:16:03.000It's about, hey, Benevity, they have a new CEO, Soraya Alexander.
01:16:07.000And it's like, you have this clear opportunity to demonstrate good leadership.
01:16:11.000And for the sake of millions of people who are using these gift matching programs, to say, you know what?
01:16:17.000We didn't really know what we were getting into when we included them in our methodology.
01:16:20.000SPLC was kind of just like the hot thing to do for a while.
01:16:23.000And it seemed like a good group because originally it did some good work, fighting the Klan and other extremists.
01:16:29.000So, we didn't really know, but now we do.
01:16:31.000And so, we're going to remove that filter entirely from our system.
01:16:34.000That is the kind of action that we would like to see.
01:16:46.000This was the month after Charlie was assassinated with the various nonprofits who are unfairly placed on the list.
01:16:54.000And so we wrote a letter with all the undersigned groups who are unfairly on the list, who've again been some of them victims of this violence, and just asking them hey, like charitable giving.
01:17:43.000So, in the past year of having these a few dozen meetings with companies about it, there's around 10 major companies who have made the decision to turn off the filter.
01:17:52.000This is like the metaphor of AI I would use they wrote the code, you went in and did a code review, and you're like, Hey, there's a bunch of bugs.
01:18:00.000Now they're fixing the bugs, they're patching the bugs.
01:18:13.000So, you know, some of the companies who had courageously, you know, turned off the filter Salesforce, Microsoft, American Express, NVIDIA.
01:18:21.000So, there's a lot of these big companies, and it doesn't really matter the industry.
01:18:24.000I mean, for the executives, if you can really walk through, you have your ducks in a row.
01:18:28.000We've been encouraged to see the progress.
01:18:31.000But, you know, on our website, 1792exchange.com, we have a separate, you know, database or hub that outlines the issues with SPLC and Benevity.
01:18:40.000There's other charitable giving platforms too.
01:18:43.000And there's a page, it's how companies have responded.
01:18:46.000And so we'll say, oh, here are the companies who have turned off the filter.
01:18:50.000Here are the ones who said it's not on.
01:18:53.000Here are the companies who haven't responded.
01:18:55.000But again, the goal is always to be well informed, to have the facts, and then to be constructive because we do think that, at least for a decent amount of executives, yeah, they don't want to politicize charitable giving.
01:19:06.000They have bigger problems to worry about.
01:19:09.000Oh, I'd rather that they fix the system than get boycotted.
01:19:13.000I mean, the boycott thing can work, but God, what an effort.
01:19:16.000And like everybody gets damaged is a real, a lot of damage.
01:19:46.000And the reason for the name is because we are in some sort of a parallel moment where there's just a lack of transparency or organization about how corporations are conducting themselves.
01:19:58.000You know, people don't really know all of the policies that are in place.
01:20:02.000They're maybe not getting all the information they want.
01:20:04.000When they find it, they might be horrified at what corporations are complicit in, what they're promoting, the money they're taking, where they're giving money to.
01:20:12.000And so this is kind of like a new call to get businesses back to business.
01:20:17.000So businesses are supposed to be creating value for their shareholders, creating goods and products and services that serve the society and the betterment of the world.
01:20:27.000We were talking earlier just about all the amazing things AI could do in theory, right?
01:20:31.000But instead, a lot of companies are spending millions of dollars on activist causes or letting outside interest groups determine the policies they set.
01:20:41.000So, I firmly believe, we firmly believe that companies are a great thing in the world and they bring about so many good changes, but they're only going to do that to the extent they're focused on the business.
01:20:55.000It's coming out of the World Economic Forum, Switzerland, and all this stuff where they want to transition the world away from national governments to corporate governments.
01:21:03.000That was the big problem I saw there was a lot of like activism and closed source behavior.
01:21:09.000Like with national governments, you have a legal system that you can read and you know what the laws are.
01:21:14.000But with a corporation, it's sort of like whatever the CEO wants to do or whatever the board decides.
01:21:19.000You know, they might have terms of service that they can change on the fly.
01:22:44.000Tractor Supply, when that was the controversy in the summer of 2024.
01:22:48.000A lot of them had knowingly or unknowingly taken these crazy positions on certain issues.
01:22:54.000And a lot of it has to do with the ESG agenda.
01:22:58.000And so for us, it's really about highlighting that for the executives.
01:23:03.000It used to be stakeholder capitalism, which, or sorry, let me start over.
01:23:07.000It used to be called shareholder capitalism, where the corporation would say, we have to serve our shareholders, the people that actually literally own money in our company.
01:23:14.000And then what they're trying to do is, no, no, no, let's make it about stakeholder capitalism.
01:23:17.000So it's now we have to serve our community, whatever the fuck that, like how vague.
01:23:41.000But one of the things they did that wasn't great was in 2019, they issued this letter.
01:23:47.000Trying to redefine the purpose of a corporation.
01:23:50.000So, historically, it was understood that a corporation exists primarily to create value for its shareholders.
01:23:56.000And then also, you know, further down, it ends up, you know, being good for their customers and their employees and people who aren't their shareholders, who are their stakeholders.
01:24:04.000And what you pointed out there is if you make this subtle shift of, well, we'll serve shareholders primarily to we'll serve stakeholders primarily, it's actually a major shift because the question is, well, when does that end?
01:24:17.000Because isn't technically everyone my stakeholder because they all live on the planet that I live on?
01:24:24.000Are thriving because of their expertise in creating a good or a product or a service that's needed, right?
01:24:31.000That's why we want these executives on the board.
01:24:34.000That's why we want people to have the jobs they have.
01:24:37.000The companies don't exist to identify and solve every problem.
01:24:41.000So it's not that companies have no role to play, but that's not their fundamental duty.
01:24:45.000And we think that the work of identifying and solving those problems happens through the free market or through nonprofits or through, you know, there's other ways for that to occur.
01:24:54.000And I think if we change, if we try to redefine, You know, the purpose of a company, I think that's really harmful.
01:24:59.000And I think it would be really powerful for the business roundtable after seeing the effects of ESG and how it's ruined a lot of companies.
01:25:06.000It'd be really powerful for them to issue, you know, a new statement on the purpose of corporate governance.
01:25:11.000Like, could we do every corporation has to have, or if it gets to a certain size, a stakeholder department, something that needs to organize with other stakeholders around the world to understand what that even is like an ethical, like kind of like an ethics department?
01:25:28.000A reasonable thing that works along with government to like national government because you want to keep that national government in there with a stopgap, otherwise, the corporations decide society's direction, which can be very dangerous because they become governments in themselves.
01:25:40.000Yeah, see the East India Trading Company.
01:25:59.000There was a series of companies who were exposed, most notably by Robbie Starbuck on the internet, and he's showing all their crazy policies, what they're funding.
01:26:07.000And a good number of them ended up deciding, yes, we're sorry, we shouldn't have done that.
01:26:34.000And what we saw was a lot of companies like Walmart and Lowe's, for example, who were previously funding a lot of very controversial events, let's just say, all of a sudden started giving six figure grants towards disaster relief efforts in North Carolina once that hurricane we were talking about earlier hit in Asheville.
01:26:50.000So you go, whoa, like this money came from their charitable money pool.
01:26:54.000So there's a money pool that was going towards a lot of controversial events.
01:26:58.000And then now the companies decided, you know what?
01:27:01.000What if we gave it to things that were.
01:27:04.000For the common good, essentially, right?
01:27:06.000Like whether it's talking about fighting hunger or, you know, the disaster relief efforts, like that's the kind of good a company can do that's not going to be controversial.
01:27:15.000Building roads, for instance, like improving the roadways.
01:27:18.000If we could get a corporate percentage of like our national corporations to fund our national roadways, that'd be badass.
01:27:26.000I mean, and I'm talking about like graphene in the roads to make them last two and a half times longer.
01:27:30.000You know, new roads, new electrical grids, things where you literally, the stake, Is it's no higher stake than keeping the power on, let me tell you, if you're a corporation in the United States.
01:27:41.000Well, keeping the cars driving on the street.
01:27:43.000Something with high stakes as well as the upcoming midterms.0.99
01:27:59.000That's what people are putting their money on.
01:28:01.000At the very least, you know, you got pretty much everyone thinking the Democrats will at least take the House.
01:28:08.000A lot of developments on the midterms front.
01:28:10.000I know everyone's a little tired, you know, exhausted at this news cycle, but there's a really fascinating storyline going on right now where James Tallarico has.
01:28:34.000I saw Spencer Pratt coming out, a few others who are, and I should reiterate, speculating that he's having some sort of mental health crisis.
01:28:45.000I'm just regurgitating what people are saying.
01:28:48.000That is not the official position of Tim Cast.
01:28:51.000But it is fascinating nonetheless that this is happening.
01:28:56.000Because, I mean, many people are making the point, and it's a good point that, you know, a flu diagnosis doesn't just take you out of the game completely, certainly for two weeks.
01:29:04.000I mean, you could see being down for the count for a few days.
01:29:07.000It's very bizarre, especially when we're getting this close to election day.
01:29:25.000I'm seeing this report from a local CBS affiliate saying that because another one of the critiques is that it wasn't just Taylor Rico who was MIA.
01:29:32.000They hadn't been able to get a hold of anyone on his campaign to make a public statement.
01:29:39.000This is apparently from one of the spokespeople on his campaign saying, James looks forward to being back out this weekend after recovering from the flu.
01:29:47.000So they've been saying this whole time that he's just had a really bad flu, which is so real.
01:29:53.000And it says that it's been 84 days since James challenged Ken Paxton to come out of hiding and answer Texans' questions in a debate.
01:30:00.000Um, whatever, it's like normal campaign speak.
01:30:03.000Um, but yeah, this is like kind of the first that we've seen in a little bit from somebody on the campaign, um, actually come out and say anything.
01:30:09.000Nothing actually like super substantive.
01:30:12.000I think we're all waiting to see like actually Tallarico out and about.
01:30:16.000And then Paxton's just been totally milking it.
01:30:18.000Like they just keep putting out all of these different pressers being like, Where is he?
01:31:01.000I'm like, dude, if he's going to go out onto the Senate floor one day and he's just going to turn into like a gust of cherry blossom petals, I'm really worried.
01:31:08.000But like with Tallarico, it's like, you don't even got that.
01:31:33.000It's like, yeah, it's like, that's what I hate the most about midterms or any campaign season is like all of the gimmicks that campaigns think would somehow convince people to vote for them.
01:31:57.000But, like, in this case, I would actually like to see, like, maybe Ken Paxton should just do a 180 and, like, call Tallarico and be like, Where are you? and film himself trying to call him or something.
01:32:07.000I mean, there's a lot of speculation online, but there's like the real stories that we have no idea.
01:32:27.000Yeah, that would be, I mean, I can see why that would be a rumor.
01:32:30.000Like, if he actually had a mental health crisis before he got, before there was even a chance of getting elected, he's not fit for office, which would be an extreme thing.
01:33:13.000He's like, you've been wondering where I am.
01:33:15.000I built Versailles on Minecraft while I was gone.
01:33:17.000Well, his account is, there's someone still posting on his account.
01:33:20.000So it's like, you know, Someone has access to it, obviously, but like his staff has just been a little bit cagey, I guess, which has led people to be to obviously speculate about all the crazy things.
01:33:31.000There is also a good chance that he just got like a crazy flu.
01:33:35.000You know, like he legit might have long COVID, and like that's not funny.
01:33:38.000You know, like we shouldn't make fun of that.
01:33:39.000He can knock you out for 10 days if he eats poorly, you know, if he's been eating poorly and he's probably been running famously for the first time.
01:34:11.000Yeah, I find the campaigning really nauseating.
01:34:15.000Additionally, like, yeah, these guys can literally die and their Twitters will still be running.
01:34:20.000The oldest person in the Senate right now is like the only guy that clearly runs his own Twitter, like Chuck Grassley, like, obviously is running because it's like.
01:34:27.000Full of typos, he's like talking about like his wife, it's like doesn't make or his vacuum, yeah, like nothing related to like.
01:34:32.000I mean, because you look at his record, it's a little hit, you know, touch and go, but if you look at his Twitter, you know, you wouldn't even know he's a senator, yeah, he's just real.
01:34:40.000It says, he's like, I was thinking about oranges today, and you're like, yeah, that's that's way better than what Tala Rico is posting about his beloved vacuum that he's had for like decades recently broke down, oh, yeah, he was, and that was that was pretty heartfelt.
01:34:52.000There were like articles written about it because he was famous for taking photos of his vacuum, he's like, look what I'm doing this weekend, and it's his like.
01:35:15.000This Tallarico's office said he's going to be back on the trail this weekend, and CNN Town Hall on the 14th in Fort Worth is his next scheduled appearance.
01:37:39.000You used to be able to pick it up anywhere.
01:37:41.000I don't know what the restrictions are, and I think it's an opiate.
01:37:44.000They put it in a drink called like, I forgot what the thing is called, but it's a gas station drink that people didn't realize it was in there, and they kept drinking it, and they got really addicted to it.
01:41:40.000That's why I was annoyed because I'm like, why isn't he talking about the electrical grid and he's talking about football on his government account?
01:41:46.000I think the vacuum was named Beth or something.
01:43:08.000I usually send this picture of faithful Beth before starting the drudgery of getting the farmhouse ready for the family coming for Thanksgiving.
01:43:16.000But since Beth is 40 to 50 years old, I'm sending when I'm done faithful Beth delivered.
01:43:21.000Dude, like if you look at all of the Beth posts, it's like almost the exact same photo over and over again.
01:43:27.000But you can tell they're taken on different occasions because he just keeps the vacuum in the same place.
01:43:32.000And retakes the same photo over and over again, but they're all different photos.
01:44:00.000But that's the weird thing with like modern appliances is yeah, everybody has that kind of white or maybe yellowish garage in their fridge in their parents' garage, rather.
01:44:10.000And they've had it for 30 years and it works perfectly fine.
01:44:13.000And then someone buys the brand new Samsung touchscreen, whatever.
01:44:17.000And then after three years, it A whirlpool thing runs out of gas right after the warranty expires, type of thing.
01:45:36.000Like, have you guys seen those really old stoves or like those antique appliances that have like all of the extra little, like they literally have all the bells and whistles?
01:45:43.000And it's like, it has like an area that you can lift open and it's like a griddle and then you can close it or it has like a built in crock pot and all these things.
01:45:51.000Like, all these appliances used to be so clever and like really well made and, you know, intended to last for a long time.
01:45:57.000And now everything's just like, Meant to disintegrate after three uses.
01:46:02.000There is the hyper advancement of tech that we're experiencing in the last 30 or 40 years with micro processing and like micro, what do they call it?
01:47:01.000If you purchase them, they would last a long time.
01:47:04.000Or more often, especially for lower class people, they would just make their own clothing.
01:47:10.000And people just knew how to do that and it would last forever and it'd be like an heirloom and stuff like that.
01:47:15.000It's just like, I don't want to have to buy stuff that just doesn't work or it's going to break or it smells bad or like it was, you know, like a child made it in a very questionable setting.0.94
01:47:29.000The balance is like, if my socks get holes in them, 100 years ago, someone would have stitched them up, or someone would have stitched them up, and I keep wearing them.0.92
01:47:36.000Now I throw them out and buy a new pair because it costs $3.
01:47:39.000I'm like, it's going to take me an hour to stitch it up, which is $30 an hour.
01:47:43.000I mean, minimum what my time is worth in my life is way, you know.
01:47:46.000So, well, these modern products may always let us down, planned obsolescence, et cetera.
01:48:31.000He can't even conserve an American identity himself.
01:48:34.000So he's definitely not going to conserve it at a statewide level, let alone national level.
01:48:40.000I think Vivek is such a problem that you can't run the risk of that sort of.
01:48:48.000Political behavior being permitted in the GOP because it's not going to just, it's not like Vivek is a one off thing.0.97
01:48:55.000Like, if you allow Vivek to continue to progress in the GOP, continue to work his way up the ranks, you're going to get a million more people like him, Striver immigrant people that have no business being in the United States, let alone running for office.0.99
01:49:47.000And every once in a while, you do need to tell the GOP, no, this is completely unacceptable.
01:49:52.000And I personally feel like this is one of those instances.
01:49:54.000I've maintained this position, never Vivek.
01:49:56.000I'm not one of these people that's ranted about him in the past, but then all of a sudden when the time comes around, they're like, okay, fine, I'll go vote for him.
01:50:16.000The state Senate and state House in Ohio is blood red.
01:50:20.000They will be able to neutralize acting.
01:50:22.000It's not like Virginia where Spanberger's coming in with a blue Congress that can rubber stamp everything.
01:50:29.000Acton will be isolated and she's going to be gone in four years.1.00
01:50:32.000We can actually run a serious, an actual conservative, an actual American, by the way, in four years and knock her out.
01:50:38.000If Vivek wins, he'll likely win the next election.
01:50:40.000He'll be around for eight years and then we're going to be having to deal with him for potentially VP or something.
01:50:44.000Well, that's the nice thing about like losing sometimes is that it has like a purging effect.
01:50:49.000You know, I'm kind of, I'm obviously would love for all of the best candidates to just be easily elected, but it's like there are just some growing pains that are necessary sometimes.0.77
01:50:59.000Like once Republicans inevitably lose the House and potentially even the Senate, You're going to be purging a lot of like kind of crappy Republicans.
01:51:07.000And then by the time it's actually politically viable for Republicans to win elections again, ideally, you would hope that the GOP would kind of learn from its mistakes and find candidates that are more suitable and that actually reflect public sentiment, at least within their own party, a little bit better.
01:51:24.000And I think you're, it's kind of, it's like a tough position to take, but I think it's right.
01:51:28.000Like, I think it's just, these are necessary growing pains sometimes.
01:51:30.000Yeah, I've caught a lot of flack for this take, but I'm just like, at a certain point, I mean, I guess my position on Vivek is like, it's.
01:51:50.000I like that he was like critical of ESG and he talked about how we could redirect our retirement or our investment funds through different indexes.
01:52:14.000They see someone who's very rehearsed and obviously intelligent and like understands, you know, what politics are popular in the moment and what he kind of needs to say to convince people.
01:52:23.000But I think people are concerned with how genuine he's being.
01:52:26.000Like they, I think people kind of perceive him as a little bit more opportunistic.
01:52:32.000And what I'm trying to do, the reason I'm being so aggressive on this point is because I'm trying to create room for other conservatives to feel comfortable saying no.
01:52:40.000Because I understand the moment we're in right now where you have a lot of people in conservative commentary who are saying, Trump's betrayed us and we should just vote straight blue.
01:52:51.000I live in Virginia, so my vote isn't as powerful as it would be in a swing state, but we have some pretty good Republicans in my district that I intend to vote for.0.53
01:53:00.000So that is not, I want to separate myself from that while creating room for actual conservatives to say, at the very least, the person on the ticket for the GOP should be an American, secondarily.
01:53:12.000And by American, I mean actually American, not a paperwork American.
01:53:15.000And then secondarily, should actually be a conservative.
01:53:17.000I mean, the whole reason we're conservatives is like we want to preserve Christian values and like American traditions.
01:53:35.000If you like Vivek, that's your prerogative.
01:53:38.000But I think a lot of people, and when I crash out on Vivek, I'm not going to blow up anyone's spot, but the few times I've come out and said no, I think Vivek is poisonous to the GOP, the people in my likes, Would surprise you to say the least.
01:53:51.000The people that are liking that tweet would surprise you.
01:53:54.000And I understand why they have to stay quiet, but I'm trying to create room here because this is a very popular sentiment and just everyone's a little too afraid to come out and say it.
01:54:16.000He was a dude in school that was like uber nerdy, would get massive good grades, just constantly working, thinking, Like nerdy, so he comes on the political stage and he's like, All right, how can I be a rock star?
01:54:27.000That's the cowboy hat, yeah, exactly.0.76
01:54:29.000So that's what he's LARPing as an American, but it's like way better than a lot of stuff out there.
01:54:35.000Like, at least he's like a brilliant, real guy that is helping us economically.
01:54:41.000Because, like, yeah, the politics, the culture war stuff's pretty and shiny, but the real issue is the meat and potato, it's the money, it's the economy.
01:54:48.000So, even with the meat and potato stuff, like, we had a reporter at the Daily Caller News Foundation who traveled to Ohio and And interviewed him for like 15 or 20 minutes or something like that and pressed him about H 1B visas specifically.
01:55:01.000Because, like you said, this is like the meat and potatoes issues.
01:55:03.000This is the heavy hitting economic and immigration policy that people really care about and that actually makes a really big difference.
01:55:09.000And he just didn't want to address it.
01:55:14.000But it's like, it's one of those things where it's like you can see there was a sensitivity there and it totally checks out with that like infamous what was it like the Christmas crash?
01:56:06.000It indicates that he's like a striver.
01:56:09.000And this is like why a lot of Americans are concerned about Indian immigration and Chinese immigration is like, It's one thing that they can like excel economically, but if you don't get like what makes an American tick, I don't know what to tell you.
01:56:20.000Americans kind of saunter into greatness on complete accident in many ways.
01:56:24.000I mean, you know, there's multiple examples of great men who like, you know, I think it was Armstrong.
01:56:33.000I think it was either Buzz Aldrin or Armstrong.
01:56:36.000And they, I want to say it was, I want to say it was Armstrong, was, you know, had an offer to go to MIT, Harvard, Yale, and he chose to go to, I think it was Purdue because he liked the football team.
01:56:46.000That's, That's kind of the essence of an American.
01:56:49.000Like, I remember going to being in high school and the standardized testing, and like, you know, I studied, I tried my best, but you had these like groups of like strivers who just wanted to game the system and work their way up the ranks as meticulously as possible.
01:57:06.000And it's just not something I want the United States to become.
01:57:09.000And then additionally, for Vivek, it's like you also need to be conserving something.0.88
01:57:14.000How, I'm sorry, it just has to be said, how is a guy whose name is We can't even pronounce properly, pronounce Vivek, not Vivek, who is Hindu.
01:57:23.000He's Hindu, which is completely foreign to the United States.0.54
01:57:28.000I mean, there's nothing that indicates he's assimilated besides his accent.0.98
01:57:31.000Well, the whole conserving thing I get, but you don't always want to conserve the bad things like fat and lazy.0.99
01:57:36.000This comes up a lot that Americans have become fat and lazy.
01:57:40.000The dudes, the trope of the guy who's 40 pounds overweight, drinking beer on Sunday, watching football for four hours, passing out in his chair.
01:57:48.000And like, Vivek's trying to inspire people to become engineers and scientists and like, That's exactly what we want if we want to re industrialize the homeland.
01:57:59.000So the quote that I have here now from the post, the infamous post that really ticked people off, or the little segment I suppose, because it's a really long post.
01:58:07.000He says Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since the 90s and likely longer.
01:58:14.000That doesn't start in college, it starts young.
01:58:15.000A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.
01:58:26.000But the hang up here, obviously, is that the objective of being an American is not to just have a country of a bunch of really good engineers.
01:58:32.000There are qualities to things that Vivek is speaking about poorly, things like prom queen or doing football that he's kind of being condescending about.
01:58:42.000But there are qualities in both of those pastimes that, even though it's kind of superficial at a level like high school, but in the long term, there are positive qualities you'd want in just people in the country.
01:58:54.000There is an excellence to achieve in sports.
01:59:26.000There are virtues in things like football that are, you know, Kind of scoffed at by people like Vivek.
01:59:31.000Yeah, it's super important to uphold athletes because they are like our domestic military men.
01:59:37.000And the prom queen, like female beauty, can make the rest of the world become obsessed with us because we have the most beautiful women here.
01:59:44.000Like, why are we pretending like it's some lame, superficial, like, quality to it?
01:59:48.000Well, if we keep elevating Vivek up the chain, we're going to get more homework and more study groups and stuff.
01:59:54.000Which the problem with football isn't to, don't denigrate the athletes, but I'm okay denigrating the fans that are getting drunk and blazing out, just blowing their mind watching everything, though.
02:00:05.000Like, you could argue that with some of, like, I mean, maybe it's not the same kind of degeneracy, but like there's just, it gets to a point with anything where it's like you can do it the wrong way.
02:00:15.000But it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't denigrate like the actual value and like the athletes or even like a lot of the fans who just like have a hobby.
02:00:22.000It's like we're not allowed to have hobbies anymore.
02:00:24.000We're not allowed to have pastimes because you're not, you're not like maximizing your time to become the best engineer.
02:00:29.000And it's like, I can't just enjoy my afternoons.
02:00:31.000I call it the privilege of plenty where there's always going to be enough examples for you to choose from to pick the bad one to go, look, that thing's bad because I'm pointing at the bad example.
02:00:40.000But yeah, the wisdom in what he's saying that you could extract is like, oh, yeah, there is a certain sense in which, yeah, we do want to make sure our citizens are pursuing excellence.
02:00:47.000But at the same time, we want to acknowledge that our value as Americans isn't only based on what you contribute to the economy and what your job is.
02:01:05.000And that's something we're trying to think through too from the corporate perspective.
02:01:08.000So actually, last week we just launched.
02:01:11.000At 1792exchange.com, the American Company Project.
02:01:14.000So people can go on the website and nominate a company that they think that, you know, affiliates with and is a good example of American values.
02:01:22.000So the three criteria that we've given for that is, you know, civic identity.
02:01:27.000Like, do the companies that are here actually take pride in our country and in our history?
02:01:38.000It's like, are you really using H 1Bs and all these other things to bring in skilled workers you can't find?
02:01:43.000Or are you really looking for an excuse to, you know, Outsource things because of labor costs.
02:01:48.000But I just think that this conversation, it really isn't going away anytime soon.
02:01:53.000And so people should continue to have it, but they also need to talk about it from the perspective of corporations, too, because corporations are so fundamental to American society.
02:02:02.000And we need to think about what it means to be here.
02:02:04.000It's not simply having your headquarters here or having the US listen on some form.
02:02:11.000The corporate behavior also influences.
02:04:13.000Honestly, if I'm really hyped up with a project, I can fly through it in like a week and a half because I'll just go home after work and knit for like six hours.