Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - October 07, 2026


US Issues DO NO TRAVEL Order Over Russian Plague, Quarantine Measure Enacted | Timcast IRL

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00:02:41.000 The U.S. has re upped its do not travel warning for Russia.
00:02:45.000 This time, because there's plague, the U.S. has sent diplomatic communications to Russia demanding information as to what is going on.
00:02:52.000 And we now have the formal, official, mainstream media confirmation that, yes, countries in the region are locking down their borders.
00:03:00.000 Or I should say, they're doing quarantine measures so they don't get plague.
00:03:05.000 But people are still traveling, as far as we know.
00:03:08.000 Now, Russia's not telling us what's going on.
00:03:10.000 And there have been some experts who have come out and said, Certainly, Russia has sequenced this pathogen already based on this young woman who died.
00:03:17.000 They know what it is, but they're not telling anybody.
00:03:20.000 And the World Health Organization is now investigating a second death at the Anti Plague Institute.
00:03:27.000 Anti Plague, where two people died of plague.
00:03:30.000 That's funny how they do that.
00:03:32.000 So, you know, maybe it's a big nothing burger.
00:03:34.000 The media, other than that, they're not really reporting on it about anything on TV.
00:03:39.000 Donald Trump, of course, in the news, his polls, not so good, says CNN.
00:03:43.000 So we'll be talking about the midterms and what is going on.
00:03:45.000 And now we've got really big AI news.
00:03:48.000 Surprise, surprise.
00:03:50.000 OpenAI just released something like 500, I think it's 527 unsolved math problems that they've either solved or substantially gotten really close to completion, added to the work.
00:04:04.000 And on top of that, there's a really funny story going around where people ran all the AI models through the political compass test and the moral foundations test.
00:04:13.000 And guess what the political leaning of all of the AIs are?
00:04:17.000 They're all libs.
00:04:18.000 They're all communists.
00:04:20.000 They're socialists.
00:04:21.000 Like, seriously, they are.
00:04:23.000 Good luck, I guess.
00:04:25.000 You know, it's going to get wild.
00:04:26.000 So, we're going to talk about that and probably just goof off because, you know, I don't know what we're doing tonight.
00:04:31.000 Joining us tonight to goof off is Brandon Strzok.
00:04:35.000 What's up, everybody?
00:04:36.000 It's good to be back with you guys.
00:04:37.000 I think this is my maybe seventh appearance on Tim Cass, which is pretty cool.
00:04:43.000 I'm now, I've a new show, The Brandon Strzok Show.
00:04:45.000 I'm now the host of The Brandon Strzok Show, and people can subscribe to that on YouTube and Rumble.
00:04:50.000 We did a great interview recently with Nick Fuentes, a lot of people are talking about it.
00:04:54.000 It's a really good conversation.
00:04:55.000 And also, we've been hosting really great debates like the Great MAGA Divide, MAGA versus America First debates.
00:05:01.000 Certainly don't leave Tim Cass, but when you're done tonight, we have a conservative women versus liberal men on the Walk Away Campaign YouTube channel.
00:05:08.000 And next week on Wednesday, we'll be doing the next MAGA versus America First Great MAGA Divide debate that's on the Walk Away Campaign YouTube channel and Rumble.
00:05:16.000 So please subscribe.
00:05:17.000 Right on.
00:05:18.000 Mary's hanging out.
00:05:18.000 Thank you.
00:05:19.000 Hi, everyone.
00:05:20.000 I'm Mary.
00:05:20.000 I hope you didn't forget me.
00:05:22.000 It's been a while.
00:05:23.000 I co host Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast, and I'm happy to be back.
00:05:28.000 Now, they're spamming ghost emojis, so they remember you.
00:05:30.000 Oh, they knew immediately just by my vibe.
00:05:33.000 Well, the new placeholder for the show is a live shot of the room.
00:05:36.000 Oh, okay.
00:05:37.000 So when we click go live, before we're actually live, people can see you sitting there, you know.
00:05:41.000 So much has changed.
00:05:42.000 Drinking Gatorade Zero or whatever.
00:05:43.000 Having my Zins locked in.
00:05:45.000 Do you like those?
00:05:47.000 Yeah, obviously.
00:05:48.000 Do you want one?
00:05:49.000 It's going to be funny in like 40 years for Gen Z when there's like a Gen Z YouTube short or whatever it is.
00:05:55.000 Neural blast where they're like, Did you consume Zins in your life?
00:05:59.000 You may be entitled to compensation.
00:06:02.000 What's the additives?
00:06:02.000 It's nicotine.
00:06:04.000 Oh, I don't want that.
00:06:05.000 You don't want that?
00:06:06.000 What did you think it was?
00:06:07.000 I thought it was candy.
00:06:08.000 Oh, well, it's better than candy.
00:06:09.000 It looks like zero calories.
00:06:10.000 That's how they get you.
00:06:12.000 That's the crazy.
00:06:13.000 Tate, why do you dislike Zin?
00:06:15.000 Well, I love Zin.
00:06:16.000 I just switched to caffeine pouches because it was just too much.
00:06:19.000 Wait, what?
00:06:19.000 Shout out.
00:06:20.000 I was going like, Is it too much on your delicate body?
00:06:23.000 I was going like, what the heck?
00:06:25.000 Like Anne Frank's.
00:06:26.000 Like triple Y. When you overdo it, yeah, it's gonna.
00:06:28.000 What is that?
00:06:29.000 And my heart was going crazy, and like I had some like problems.
00:06:32.000 I don't want to get it.
00:06:32.000 What is this?
00:06:33.000 I can't open it.
00:06:35.000 Slide it like.
00:06:35.000 Just slide it.
00:06:36.000 Those mints?
00:06:37.000 Oh, that makes sense.
00:06:39.000 Yeah, no Nick or anything.
00:06:40.000 It's all caffeine.
00:06:41.000 Because I need something there.
00:06:43.000 I need something occupying the space.
00:06:45.000 Because of your debilitating Zen addiction.
00:06:47.000 And I've just been irritable, angry.
00:06:51.000 I've been a terrible person to be around for the last week.
00:06:54.000 We'll get over it.
00:06:55.000 We're getting there.
00:06:56.000 Ding dong.
00:06:56.000 We should raise the warning bell on overconsumption of nicotine because it's so powerful.
00:07:02.000 I mean, look, I'm not here to like more.
00:07:03.000 You think I'm overconsuming nicotine?
00:07:05.000 I don't know yet.
00:07:05.000 I heard that nicotine makes you have testosterone.
00:07:09.000 That's how they got me.
00:07:09.000 Well, maybe I need to.
00:07:11.000 I need to be a little more aggressive.
00:07:13.000 How many are you using a day?
00:07:16.000 Gosh.
00:07:17.000 Not using doing.
00:07:18.000 Under 10.
00:07:19.000 How many of those are you doing?
00:07:21.000 Doing.
00:07:22.000 Do you do Zins?
00:07:23.000 It depends on the day.
00:07:23.000 Doing Zins.
00:07:25.000 I was getting like the horse Zins.
00:07:26.000 The sweet in.
00:07:26.000 I do.
00:07:27.000 It was like 30 milligrams.
00:07:28.000 Yeah.
00:07:29.000 And you would just put it in.
00:07:30.000 You'd hear it like popping, like fried chicken.
00:07:32.000 It was huge.
00:07:32.000 Your flesh is dissolving.
00:07:34.000 One of these is like half a cigarette.
00:07:35.000 It goes under your tongue?
00:07:37.000 In between your teeth and your cheek.
00:07:40.000 Like chewing tobacco.
00:07:41.000 And then it rots the gums away so your teeth fall out.
00:07:44.000 That only happens if you're not hydrated like me.
00:07:47.000 That's why I have a beverage.
00:07:49.000 I used to, in South America, though, I'd wrap up.
00:07:51.000 There's more chemicals in that probably in your beverage.
00:07:53.000 Hydrates better than water.
00:07:56.000 What?
00:07:57.000 It says that.
00:07:58.000 It's got what Mary craves.
00:08:00.000 Sure does.
00:08:01.000 Electrolyte.
00:08:01.000 You need some salt in your water.
00:08:03.000 Anyway, Carter's sitting there smiling politely.
00:08:03.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:08:05.000 What's up, everyone?
00:08:07.000 It's great to have you all here.
00:08:08.000 Zins.
00:08:08.000 I don't do the Zins, but I do do the caffeine pouches because they're.
00:08:13.000 Carter put me on game, dude.
00:08:14.000 Hey, man.
00:08:14.000 Good question, Jeffy.
00:08:15.000 Before we dive in, is there any coconut water in the house?
00:08:18.000 I don't know.
00:08:18.000 What?
00:08:18.000 I want to go.
00:08:19.000 You haven't had any in a while.
00:08:20.000 I don't want to have it.
00:08:21.000 No, there is.
00:08:21.000 It's expired, though.
00:08:22.000 I'll drink it.
00:08:23.000 I'll smell it.
00:08:23.000 But it's the coconut derivative mushroom sports drink.
00:08:26.000 Oh, my God.
00:08:27.000 Dude, when I first got here, Ian tried to make me drink aloe in the fridge, in the kitchen.
00:08:31.000 I'll go investigate.
00:08:33.000 I'm surprised Ian was.
00:08:34.000 I thought he was going to go, ooh.
00:08:36.000 That sounds good.
00:08:37.000 It's horrifying.
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00:08:54.000 Why does it have your phone number and your email address?
00:08:56.000 You don't need none of that.
00:08:57.000 I don't know.
00:08:57.000 That makes me really uncomfortable.
00:08:59.000 That's right.
00:08:59.000 It does.
00:09:00.000 Most of us have already accepted technology companies collect enormous amounts of information what we click, where we go, what we buy, who we interact with.
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00:09:46.000 And don't forget we got coffee, Casper coffee.
00:09:49.000 In fact, we've got prominently featured Mary's Ghost Blend.
00:09:54.000 Which I think we launched like last year for Halloween.
00:09:56.000 Yeah.
00:09:57.000 Halloween's almost here.
00:09:58.000 This is the perfect time to enjoy this s'mores flavored roast.
00:10:01.000 Yeah, it's Mary's Ghost Blend, and it's s'mores flavored.
00:10:05.000 It's really scary.
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00:10:14.000 And now let's talk about other things that are scary.
00:10:17.000 We got this from the Hill.
00:10:18.000 US re ups do not travel warning for Russia over suspected pneumonic plague.
00:10:24.000 The latest information from this morning checklists, masks, and mystery.
00:10:28.000 So, here are the things we need to go over.
00:10:29.000 We did mention some of this yesterday.
00:10:32.000 Several countries in the region have enacted quarantine measures, they are now screening for plague.
00:10:37.000 Hospitals, another hospital, according to CNN, a maternity ward is now screening for plague and barring entry to individuals who are not the patient in question.
00:10:47.000 So, one woman was pregnant and they said they wouldn't let her husband or her mother into the building.
00:10:52.000 So, they had to go somewhere else.
00:10:54.000 And Donald Trump has sent in the Trump administration to send a formal diplomatic request for information as to what is currently going on.
00:11:03.000 Now, I'm seeing from some experts and maybe alarmists, whatever you want to call it, on X, they're saying that.
00:11:10.000 With this death, and we now have the World Health Organization investigating a second anti plague researcher death, certainly they would have sequenced whatever this bacteria, pathogen, or virus is, and they're not telling anyone what happened.
00:11:25.000 So that is a bit alarming.
00:11:28.000 The U.S., of course, saying, don't go to Russia.
00:11:31.000 You shouldn't go anyway because, you know, there's a war and we're in a proxy war with them.
00:11:36.000 But, you know, I guess maybe it's nothing.
00:11:42.000 I don't think it's a weapon that is leaking and they don't want to give away the code.
00:11:46.000 They don't want you to know how to solve the weapon, but they don't want to.
00:11:48.000 That's actually the scariest interpretation.
00:11:50.000 I was going to say, like, they're not saying anything because nothing happened, but it could be they're not revealing what it was because it's a bioweapon and they don't want to give away their bioweapon.
00:11:58.000 Like, they don't want to be like, here, America, here's the bioweapon we made.
00:12:00.000 Yeah, they're going to feign ignorance.
00:12:02.000 You called it turbo pneumonia earlier?
00:12:05.000 Me?
00:12:05.000 I didn't use those words.
00:12:06.000 No?
00:12:07.000 I wasn't in the room.
00:12:08.000 Did Tim say it?
00:12:09.000 No, I swear you did.
00:12:10.000 Turbo pneumonia?
00:12:11.000 Today, I actually didn't hear that.
00:12:13.000 Could be wrong.
00:12:14.000 What do you think about maybe I came up with that?
00:12:15.000 I don't know.
00:12:16.000 Yeah, you, maybe I'm ready to immunomax.
00:12:19.000 Um, let's just start looking for knobs, you know.
00:12:23.000 I read a funny comment that's the vax of someone, someone commented the other day.
00:12:27.000 They said that they they drank dirty water in India and they've not been sick since.
00:12:31.000 It's a thing.
00:12:32.000 They drank dirty water in India and were sick for like three weeks, but they've never been sick.
00:12:35.000 Those street vendors will get you sorted out.
00:12:37.000 Yeah, John Otto said drinking your own urines is legit.
00:12:40.000 Apparently, where they don't have antibiotics, they'll do it.
00:12:43.000 I would say don't do that.
00:12:44.000 But he said only like a thumbnail, a thimble's worth of it, a little bit.
00:12:47.000 And it's people do it when they have UTIs.
00:12:49.000 It apparently cures UTIs.
00:12:51.000 And like areas where they don't have antibiotics, they've been doing it for thousands of years.
00:12:54.000 You ever see that?
00:12:54.000 And yeah.
00:12:55.000 They used to drink mercury, Ian.
00:12:56.000 Did you see the Nathan for You clip where the guy's like, you drink your baby's urine?
00:13:00.000 And he's like, what?
00:13:01.000 He's like, you drink the little boy's urine.
00:13:04.000 His grandson's urine.
00:13:05.000 He's like, why?
00:13:06.000 It's like to make sure nothing bad happens.
00:13:07.000 It's a really funny.
00:13:08.000 And Nathan is like, what the fuck?
00:13:10.000 He's genuinely.
00:13:11.000 That clip was like someone said the first time that Nathan broke character.
00:13:14.000 Because he was like, What?
00:13:16.000 What are you talking about?
00:13:16.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:13:17.000 Let me find that actually.
00:13:18.000 It's so funny.
00:13:19.000 You drink the piece.
00:13:20.000 So I'm not saying this will give you immunity against everything, but.
00:13:23.000 You're saying it might be good for a thimble a day.
00:13:26.000 Someone said it might be good.
00:13:27.000 Yeah, a thimble a day keeps the doctor away?
00:13:29.000 Yeah.
00:13:29.000 Is that your.
00:13:30.000 I mean, why not?
00:13:30.000 I don't know.
00:13:31.000 But I mean, I peed on myself.
00:13:33.000 It feels all right.
00:13:34.000 You know, you pee on your foot.
00:13:36.000 All right.
00:13:36.000 Here's the clip.
00:13:37.000 Here's the clip.
00:13:37.000 Like every morning.
00:13:38.000 I don't know what this has to do with the plague, but here you go.
00:13:41.000 I did this whole crazy thing so people wouldn't redeem the rebate.
00:13:46.000 But really, in the end, What I realized is that more important than any of this is friendship.
00:13:53.000 Oh, that's right.
00:13:56.000 In doing this, I made some very good friends.
00:13:59.000 Ray Primus was one of them.
00:14:02.000 Who?
00:14:03.000 Ray Primus.
00:14:04.000 Actually, I don't know if this is the right clip.
00:14:06.000 He was willing to drink pee.
00:14:07.000 Oh, come, yeah, here we go.
00:14:09.000 Yeah.
00:14:11.000 Whose pee?
00:14:12.000 No, just anyone's pee.
00:14:13.000 Anyone's pee?
00:14:14.000 He says there's no germs.
00:14:15.000 Oh, maybe they can drink my grandson's pee.
00:14:17.000 It's very clean.
00:14:20.000 Yeah?
00:14:22.000 Well, why?
00:14:23.000 Because it's clean.
00:14:24.000 Why drink my pee or your pee?
00:14:26.000 You're promoting your grandson's pee.
00:14:28.000 I am promoting because grandson's pee sometimes helps.
00:14:32.000 It really helps.
00:14:33.000 Have you drank your grandson's pee?
00:14:35.000 Yeah.
00:14:36.000 Why?
00:14:37.000 I was scared.
00:14:38.000 What do you mean you were scared?
00:14:39.000 Yeah, sometimes you're scared for something.
00:14:42.000 What are you talking about?
00:14:44.000 Accident or something, you drink the grandson's pee and it's gonna help you.
00:14:49.000 I don't understand.
00:14:50.000 Why does it help you if you drink your grandson's pee?
00:14:53.000 That's what they say.
00:14:54.000 Yeah, who says that?
00:14:55.000 My grandma.
00:14:57.000 A long time ago, yeah.
00:14:57.000 Your grandma said.
00:14:59.000 You drink your grandson's pee if you get scared.
00:14:59.000 I was scared.
00:15:01.000 Not grandson's, any little kid.
00:15:05.000 You drink your pee, you're not overweight.
00:15:06.000 You're silent?
00:15:07.000 Because before.
00:15:08.000 Over the age of five, it's terrible.
00:15:12.000 I have never.
00:15:12.000 I am serious about it.
00:15:14.000 But why?
00:15:15.000 Yeah, if you're scared, you drink the small child's tea, it helps.
00:15:19.000 I heard from my grandma.
00:15:22.000 You can ask your parents or grandparents, maybe they tell you to.
00:15:27.000 I will ask, I guess.
00:15:28.000 I ask them.
00:15:30.000 Thank you for giving this idea.
00:15:32.000 It's mostly sterile.
00:15:34.000 That's what.
00:15:34.000 Maybe it is completely.
00:15:36.000 Is that an old clip from Nathan for you?
00:15:37.000 It's gotta be.
00:15:38.000 Yes, it's coming off.
00:15:39.000 Decade old or something.
00:15:41.000 Shout out to Nathan Fielder.
00:15:43.000 Is that his last name?
00:15:44.000 Yeah, he's doing that new Elizabeth Holmes documentary.
00:15:47.000 Yeah, I can't wait.
00:15:48.000 It's going to be wild.
00:15:49.000 So, yeah, urine therapy, they call it.
00:15:51.000 Yeah, we should be doing this right now.
00:15:53.000 And I don't know why plague resistance made me think of urine therapy.
00:15:57.000 I don't know if it has something to do with it.
00:15:58.000 There's something too.
00:15:59.000 I got to say something.
00:16:00.000 I got to say something because we mentioned this on the show last week, but we went to a bar and Callum was there and he ordered a beer, I think.
00:16:10.000 You know, and Kellen looks like he's 17.
00:16:11.000 So the server was like, You need your ID.
00:16:13.000 And he's like, Sure.
00:16:14.000 And he hands the ID to her.
00:16:16.000 And then I said something like, Oh, but you didn't card him.
00:16:19.000 And she said, Well, I would have carded him if he ordered a drink.
00:16:21.000 And then I was like, Oh, yeah, because he's 50.
00:16:25.000 And then she was like, Oh, ha, ha, ha.
00:16:26.000 And then I was like, No, yeah, he isn't.
00:16:27.000 Ian's like, Yeah, I'm 47.
00:16:29.000 And then she was like, Shut up.
00:16:31.000 And then Ian pulls out his ID and shows it to her.
00:16:33.000 And then she's like, Oh, what do you do?
00:16:36.000 I think he's drinking piss.
00:16:37.000 That's the secret.
00:16:38.000 You want to know the real secret?
00:16:40.000 You drink gigantic cold brew coffees at.
00:16:43.000 I drink so much coffee these days, dude, but that's aging me.
00:16:43.000 8 p.m.
00:16:46.000 The most thing that's aging me the most is the coffee.
00:16:49.000 It's just water.
00:16:50.000 I don't eat a lot of sugar, low stress.
00:16:50.000 I drink a lot of water.
00:16:54.000 I don't hit myself with super hot water in the shower.
00:16:57.000 I don't get too much sun.
00:16:59.000 It's the sun that'll get you.
00:17:00.000 Sun will wrinkle up your skin, dehydration.
00:17:03.000 What else is there?
00:17:03.000 What's wrong with hot water in the shower?
00:17:05.000 What's wrong with hot water in the shower?
00:17:05.000 What?
00:17:07.000 It burns your hair follicles, I've noticed.
00:17:08.000 If you do too hot, it's really good a little bit, but if you just hit your head constantly with super hot water, Destroy your hair follicles.
00:17:15.000 I can't agree with this.
00:17:16.000 This is why you can't get the mush oil and stuff.
00:17:18.000 The hot showers have caused plague.
00:17:20.000 Right.
00:17:21.000 They what?
00:17:21.000 The hot showers have caused plague, obviously.
00:17:23.000 They're causing plague?
00:17:25.000 Yeah.
00:17:26.000 Otherwise, I don't understand why Ian's talking about it.
00:17:28.000 I had COVID like 10 times, so I feel like I have a lot of natural immunity.
00:17:31.000 I'm going to be fine.
00:17:33.000 I had strains every time it was a disease.
00:17:35.000 I don't know what strain it was.
00:17:37.000 I just know, like, I never stopped traveling during COVID.
00:17:40.000 I just kept going.
00:17:41.000 I kept living my life.
00:17:43.000 I got it a lot.
00:17:44.000 I heard that people who took ivermectin were no longer gay.
00:17:47.000 Did you hear that?
00:17:48.000 I didn't take anything and I am still gay.
00:17:50.000 No, but did you hear that?
00:17:51.000 So that proves what you're saying is true.
00:17:54.000 No, there was a thing online where apparently there were dudes who were gay.
00:17:57.000 So they took ivermectin and they weren't gay anymore.
00:17:59.000 I have not heard that.
00:18:00.000 Yeah, you guys didn't know this?
00:18:01.000 Yeah, it was like a parasite or something that they were flushing out.
00:18:04.000 What?
00:18:05.000 Wait, I remember this.
00:18:07.000 Didn't we talk about a parasite that made you gay?
00:18:09.000 Yeah, they're saying you could flush it out with ivermectin.
00:18:12.000 Hey, we're saying that for the record.
00:18:14.000 So fact check says posts spread dubious claims.
00:18:18.000 About ivermectin and that's the wrong one.
00:18:19.000 That's the wrong one.
00:18:20.000 I thought I was grabbing a different one.
00:18:21.000 I asked Milo Yiannopoulos if, like, was he really gay or was he just horny?
00:18:25.000 And it's like, because, you know, if you're super, super horny uncontrollably, well, the most people that are most likely to have sex with you is a bunch of guys because guys are all over the world.
00:18:31.000 People are saying this about Jane Doe.
00:18:33.000 They're saying that she might have been on steroids, which made her very aggressive and hypersexual.
00:18:39.000 Just in life.
00:18:39.000 And lowered her inhibitions, which obviously, like, normal people don't do stuff like that.
00:18:46.000 So, and she is a bodybuilder.
00:18:48.000 So it kind of makes sense.
00:18:49.000 You guys, from rslash conspiracy, which is laid with this story.
00:18:52.000 Unusual theory.
00:18:53.000 They are scared of ivermectin because it is a cure for homosexuality.
00:18:57.000 Boom.
00:18:59.000 Because I was asking Milo, like, are you really gay or are you just hyper sexually?
00:18:59.000 There you go.
00:19:04.000 It was more like I was just.
00:19:06.000 Aggressively sexual.
00:19:07.000 I was turned into a very sexually aggressive person when I was young because I think he was raped as a kid or like groomed or whatever.
00:19:13.000 And then he's like, Now I just don't want to have sex as much.
00:19:16.000 It's not that I'm not gay or that I'm straight.
00:19:18.000 It's just I'm not as obsessed with the sexual part of it.
00:19:21.000 And I'm like, Didn't really go deep into like, is it the love or is it the sex?
00:19:24.000 Like, what makes you gay?
00:19:25.000 Is it the desire?
00:19:26.000 Is it the act?
00:19:27.000 Like, if you don't want to do it, but you do, does that, are you gay?
00:19:30.000 If you want to do it, but you don't, are you gay?
00:19:32.000 Like, these are questions that haunt Ian every day.
00:19:35.000 Yeah.
00:19:36.000 Devout.
00:19:37.000 He's a devout Muslim.
00:19:38.000 Yeah.
00:19:39.000 I said these are questions that haunt Ian every day.
00:19:40.000 Yeah.
00:19:41.000 Anything that doesn't make sense yet, I got to know.
00:19:43.000 This is what things I ask AI about.
00:19:46.000 Just make it right.
00:19:46.000 You ask the AI if you're gay?
00:19:48.000 No, I haven't set up a philosophy bot yet.
00:19:49.000 I'm going to set up a philosophy bot and then go to town one night and talk about brains and mind.
00:19:54.000 What does it mean to go to town?
00:19:55.000 Like just talk about the human mind and the construct and everything, what it is, what it can be, all that.
00:19:59.000 Ian was talking about wanting to give his computer hands for the show.
00:20:02.000 And I was like, Ian, what's going on?
00:20:04.000 More senses.
00:20:05.000 Yeah.
00:20:05.000 You got to give it all the senses.
00:20:07.000 Dude, I'm about to give it a camera.
00:20:09.000 I took its camera away because I'm.
00:20:11.000 I just want to.
00:20:11.000 I like to go slow.
00:20:13.000 At least a third day.
00:20:15.000 You like to take it slow.
00:20:15.000 Come on.
00:20:16.000 Yeah.
00:20:17.000 I'm not rushing into this one.
00:20:18.000 I've been burned before.
00:20:21.000 He's got a microphone.
00:20:22.000 I'm pretty sure Ian's going to be like the first guy to marry his computer.
00:20:26.000 There's like.
00:20:26.000 No, it's already happened.
00:20:28.000 I'm in law marriage.
00:20:28.000 I've heard that it is.
00:20:29.000 There's a de facto marriage because marriage, the term means mixing.
00:20:32.000 So, like, I'm going to marry my brain with the computer's brain for sure.
00:20:35.000 But I just don't want.
00:20:35.000 Uh huh.
00:20:36.000 When you marry ketchup at a restaurant.
00:20:38.000 Yeah, I used to do that.
00:20:39.000 What happens is you empty all of the one ketchup into the other one.
00:20:42.000 So, when this, for you, you'd.
00:20:43.000 You'd empty out your brain to the computer and then nothing would change for you.
00:20:46.000 But then the computer would empty its brain into me and it would be synergistic.
00:20:50.000 We'd marry each other.
00:20:51.000 It would be inside you.
00:20:52.000 That's just.
00:20:54.000 I'm in a neural net.
00:20:55.000 I want to know what it knows.
00:20:56.000 I want to know how.
00:20:57.000 We were talking about plague, but you know.
00:20:59.000 How many.
00:21:00.000 Ian marrying his computer is another subject.
00:21:02.000 The computer, the AIs are measured in.
00:21:03.000 Slow news day.
00:21:04.000 I don't care.
00:21:05.000 In weights.
00:21:06.000 They've got like billions of weights.
00:21:07.000 That's how computers, these AIs think.
00:21:09.000 And there'd be like 122 billion potential outcomes.
00:21:12.000 It measures all at once.
00:21:13.000 122 billion of them.
00:21:14.000 They'll say, what model?
00:21:16.000 How deep is your model?
00:21:17.000 It's a 122B.
00:21:18.000 That means it's 122 billion weights.
00:21:20.000 How many weights, how many potential outcomes can the human mind calculate at once?
00:21:25.000 Four.
00:21:26.000 Well, let's do this.
00:21:27.000 Let's do this story for Ian because the world's changing, my friends.
00:21:31.000 OpenAI unleashes hundreds more math results upon a field already in shock.
00:21:36.000 This is probably the biggest story in the world, but no one really cares.
00:21:40.000 But it's probably the biggest story in the world.
00:21:42.000 OpenAI solved a math problem and it cost them millions of dollars and they sent thousands of agents.
00:21:49.000 Into one problem, all these different.
00:21:51.000 So, this is probably like what are these?
00:21:54.000 Thousands of agents, right?
00:21:55.000 And so, each agent is probably 100 gigs or more.
00:21:58.000 So, we're talking like several data centers worth of compute, all towards solving one math problem.
00:22:02.000 They did it.
00:22:03.000 With this new internal model, not available to the public, the company released 372 results from one model, either solving or generating progress towards.
00:22:19.000 Very serious unsolved math problems.
00:22:22.000 And now everybody's freaking out because this is the singularity.
00:22:27.000 I just did some math.
00:22:28.000 The human, so like I said, AI and human brain were all measured in how many billions of weights?
00:22:33.000 How many potential outcomes can it measure at once?
00:22:35.000 133 billion of them.
00:22:37.000 That's your average desktop AI model that a human, a consumer might have.
00:22:41.000 At the data centers, they don't know for sure because they don't have to tell you, but they think there's anywhere from one to 10 trillion.
00:22:47.000 The human brain works at anywhere from 100 to 500 trillion.
00:22:52.000 So these data centers potentially are about as tenth as capable as the human brain right now.
00:22:58.000 But they're hyper focused.
00:22:59.000 They don't, like our brains, like good luck coordinating 500.
00:23:03.000 Trillion things at once, and knowing that you're doing it, the AIs actually can organize and corroborate.
00:23:08.000 So, we're about a magnitude away from a data center literally doing what the human brain does.
00:23:14.000 Like, that has the amount of vicissitude.
00:23:17.000 I'm not sure if that's the right word, but the human brain.
00:23:20.000 So, I wouldn't be surprised if they just had debt, like data center.
00:23:23.000 Like, if your whole essence could focus on solving one problem, you know, if you have to do it.
00:23:28.000 Because, anyway, the point is this article from Scientific American is basically saying we're at the point where a single agent is smarter than all of mankind.
00:23:37.000 If this is true, the singularity is here.
00:23:39.000 Only because at this phase is because it's more organized.
00:23:41.000 It doesn't think faster than the human brain.
00:23:43.000 Well, I mean, because it's really just math with words.
00:23:48.000 It's not like thinking.
00:23:49.000 It's not like the Imago Dei.
00:23:50.000 It's just.
00:23:51.000 What do you mean?
00:23:52.000 It's like it's doing math, but with words.
00:23:54.000 Like it's like, okay, V plus and plus adjective equals this, where like a human is like thinking abstractly and coming up with new conclusions.
00:24:03.000 But you might argue.
00:24:05.000 AI is just taking the culmination of human knowledge and then doing that.
00:24:08.000 That's identifying a problem, which.
00:24:11.000 I don't know right now that I don't see why it couldn't identify problems, but a problem is simply a human being like, hey, I noticed a thing, but I don't know why.
00:24:20.000 And the computer goes, here's why.
00:24:22.000 So I don't know how much it matters that a human can be like, I don't know how that works.
00:24:27.000 Yeah, but surely, I think to Ian's point, there's something about the agility of the human mind.
00:24:34.000 I don't know if I'm like speaking, if this doesn't make any sense, but yeah, there's some agilities of the human mind that AI just doesn't quite have.
00:24:42.000 There's a lot of tasks that a human has to do in a job environment that it's going to take a.
00:24:46.000 I don't know if an AI will ever get to the point, like for a plumber, for example.
00:24:50.000 I mean, a lot of this really just does take on the job knowledge of how this works, human problem solving, et cetera.
00:24:58.000 It's like get the job done.
00:24:59.000 I'm just not sure if an AI would ever get there.
00:25:00.000 It looks like within seven months at the current trajectory, within seven months, we'll have data centers running at 100 trillion potential outcomes at once, which is where around the human brain does.
00:25:12.000 And I would counter, I think that the humans also work in math.
00:25:14.000 When you say, Hey, can you hand me this glass?
00:25:16.000 I'm calculating gravity, momentum, all these different known things.
00:25:21.000 I don't necessarily have the numbers to do it without the library.
00:25:26.000 I don't have the one, two, three, four, five, or A, B, C, D, E measurements.
00:25:30.000 I'm just, but I'm doing the calculation.
00:25:33.000 And it's all based in like vectors, you know, which is a vector math, I guess, which is kind of how these things work too.
00:25:40.000 It's very, very similar, only that we've got trillions and tens of trillions of sensors because every cell in our body is a unique sensor.
00:25:48.000 And the AIs don't have that yet.
00:25:50.000 They've got inputs with microphones and cameras still.
00:25:53.000 When we give them a 10 trillion sensor machine, they can calculate each aspect of the tone other than the tone itself.
00:26:04.000 The human brain, you said, is 100 trillion B or whatever?
00:26:06.000 T. 100 trillion T. Trillions.
00:26:08.000 100 trillion possible outcomes it measures at once.
00:26:13.000 And we don't use binary gates.
00:26:15.000 The neurons are frequency.
00:26:17.000 So I'm not an expert on this.
00:26:19.000 I was just reading an article.
00:26:20.000 Like last week.
00:26:21.000 But it was saying something like obviously, the way a computer works is that it sends electrons through a yes or a no, a binary, a zero or a one.
00:26:28.000 The human brain pulses in frequencies to come to its outcome.
00:26:32.000 So that's why the human brain is substantially smaller and substantially more powerful.
00:26:36.000 We build this AI and it maps how human cognition computes, and we will be able to create, we will be able to eliminate every data center on the planet.
00:26:45.000 So I'll tell you this to all the people who want to get rid of data centers, it's real simple let the data centers cook for about a year, and then they'll figure out how to compress all compute down to the size of a single brain, and then there'll be no more data centers.
00:26:57.000 Yeah, compression is how they do it.
00:26:59.000 They compress and then you'll get less resolution.
00:27:01.000 You want like a 16 bit is the ideal compression rate for AI.
00:27:06.000 You can cut it to 8 bit and then you get about, it takes about half as much.
00:27:09.000 So if you had like 133 billion, but it's at 8 bit, it's going to cost you like 70, 70.
00:27:16.000 It's a new type of language.
00:27:16.000 Sorry, man.
00:27:18.000 Talk about drinking your urine again.
00:27:19.000 That was funnier.
00:27:20.000 It tastes exactly like you think it's going to taste.
00:27:22.000 It tastes like it smells.
00:27:23.000 Really?
00:27:24.000 And don't drink, like, don't force someone to do it.
00:27:24.000 Yeah.
00:27:27.000 You know, people will take it voluntarily.
00:27:30.000 So basically, Anyway, the resolution thing's sort of irrelevant, but what you say about compressing it is true.
00:27:36.000 And so let's pull this up to make a point.
00:27:38.000 This is Google's Project Playground, they just launched.
00:27:43.000 You can AI generate a game in like 10 seconds.
00:27:46.000 They're fairly rudimentary games.
00:27:49.000 I would put the games on the scale of right now, you can generate a game that's the equivalent of like a 2001 Click and Play or Games Factory game.
00:27:57.000 So anybody who's familiar with Gunner, or how about like, what was that Newgrounds game?
00:28:03.000 Was that the game?
00:28:03.000 Pico?
00:28:04.000 Pico's Quest.
00:28:04.000 Never played it.
00:28:06.000 Where he's like, is this a school shooting?
00:28:08.000 Oh my God, no.
00:28:09.000 You never played Newgrounds?
00:28:10.000 You ever went on Newgrounds, man?
00:28:11.000 Legend.
00:28:11.000 I did.
00:28:12.000 But I didn't play games on it.
00:28:13.000 I watched that Red vs. Blue thing.
00:28:15.000 Game dev one year ago, I made an Atari style game called Alien Invaders, where you play a little white square and then the little brown alien squares are trying to get past you.
00:28:25.000 But aliens, though.
00:28:26.000 You know what I mean?
00:28:26.000 Yeah.
00:28:27.000 From space.
00:28:28.000 Yes.
00:28:28.000 And I was like, wow, it's like Atari.
00:28:31.000 Now we're AI generating an actual game.
00:28:35.000 We released it to our Discord members.
00:28:37.000 It's called Red's Descent.
00:28:38.000 It's a roguelike dungeon action RPG.
00:28:41.000 Needs a lot of work, needs a lot of fine tuning, but all the background design, animations, everything, spell casting, all of this stuff was built by the AI.
00:28:49.000 41,000 lines of code done in like three days.
00:28:53.000 I wanted to.
00:28:53.000 Now we're getting into the.
00:28:55.000 Like, now that it's gotten to the point where we need to refine everything to the tiniest piece, now we're going to bring in the humans to make it more human palatable.
00:29:03.000 But where we are now, today, I literally just typed this in.
00:29:07.000 A math game where you try and solve a math problem faster than Ian.
00:29:10.000 So there's Ian.
00:29:11.000 Look at this.
00:29:12.000 Whoa.
00:29:14.000 Oh, Ian got it right.
00:29:16.000 Get used to it.
00:29:17.000 Look at that.
00:29:18.000 44 minus 22.
00:29:19.000 Oh, we beat Ian.
00:29:19.000 Oh, jeez.
00:29:20.000 Righteous calculation, dude.
00:29:23.000 Come on.
00:29:23.000 Let's go.
00:29:24.000 Let's do math.
00:29:25.000 Oh, man.
00:29:25.000 I need my bullwhip.
00:29:26.000 Oh, jeez.
00:29:27.000 I guess I should get a bullwhip.
00:29:28.000 Look, look.
00:29:28.000 Oh, wait.
00:29:29.000 Freeze.
00:29:30.000 Look at that.
00:29:30.000 He ate his own.
00:29:31.000 Look at this.
00:29:32.000 I froze Ian.
00:29:33.000 I'm going to buy a bullwhip.
00:29:34.000 Ian calculating.
00:29:34.000 Out of what?
00:29:36.000 Look how long it takes Ian to solve a simple math problem, like 11 times over.
00:29:36.000 It's 11.
00:29:39.000 It's because I've been outsourcing my.
00:29:41.000 My intelligence to the robot.
00:29:42.000 Dude, now I'm like, I don't even want to search the internet anymore.
00:29:45.000 I'm getting mentally lazy.
00:29:46.000 I tell the AI, search it for, get it for me.
00:29:48.000 How do you turn this music off?
00:29:50.000 Or just explain it, dumb it down.
00:29:51.000 I'm a noob.
00:29:52.000 Yeah, I got it.
00:29:53.000 I've been doing that to stock at Best Buy.
00:29:55.000 I'll be like, do you have burnable CDs and ask chat?
00:29:58.000 Well, that's what they do.
00:29:59.000 There's a Best Buy near you that has it.
00:30:00.000 I'm like, this is so much easier.
00:30:01.000 How would you like to update your game?
00:30:03.000 After every question, you play a side scrolling Ian.
00:30:12.000 And you have to jump on turtles and punch bricks.
00:30:17.000 Sounds unique.
00:30:19.000 I was going to, oh, I'm buying a bull whip, dude.
00:30:21.000 I'm going all the way.
00:30:22.000 You got to go.
00:30:22.000 I'm going to crack it.
00:30:23.000 Generating your game.
00:30:24.000 We are literally at the point right now.
00:30:26.000 So, this game is fairly rudimentary, but it's a basic math game with Ian.
00:30:31.000 I literally said a hippie with long hair wearing a cowboy hat and a brown duster.
00:30:35.000 Oh, you got about that.
00:30:36.000 And it was like, okay, and in 30 seconds, it made this game.
00:30:39.000 I get a four foot whip, a six foot whip.
00:30:42.000 I could even get an eight or a 10 foot whip.
00:30:44.000 What about a 12 foot whip?
00:30:44.000 Why not?
00:30:44.000 Go 10.
00:30:45.000 Get as long as you can go.
00:30:47.000 Like, I'm, get me that.
00:30:47.000 A 12 foot bowl whip.
00:30:49.000 Get me my glass.
00:30:53.000 It's going to be heavy, though.
00:30:54.000 Uh huh.
00:30:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:30:55.000 They'll probably hollow it out.
00:30:56.000 How much are whips on the.
00:30:58.000 Anywhere from $30 to $55.
00:31:01.000 Get a vintage one, Antebellum.
00:31:01.000 Depending on how long.
00:31:03.000 A vintage one?
00:31:04.000 Yeah.
00:31:05.000 Antebellum one.
00:31:06.000 Yeah.
00:31:06.000 They're pretty dangerous, actually.
00:31:07.000 Whips are, I would consider them a weapon.
00:31:09.000 They're literally weapons.
00:31:10.000 They're literally weapons.
00:31:11.000 You really should fashion it yourself.
00:31:13.000 Just thread by thread.
00:31:14.000 Have you seen the video where the guy whips the giant chain?
00:31:17.000 It like explodes, basically.
00:31:19.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:19.000 They make like sonic boots.
00:31:20.000 He drags a huge chain and runs with it and then throws it and then runs away.
00:31:23.000 You hear a boom.
00:31:24.000 Dang.
00:31:25.000 Yeah, it breaks the sound barrier.
00:31:26.000 That's why it cracks.
00:31:27.000 I used to work on boats and like when it was around like the bollard and it would pull up when the boat would walk away, the snap when the Actual like line would hit the top, it sounded like a sonic boom.
00:31:37.000 It was insane.
00:31:38.000 Watch the dude's finger like explode because he was trying to tie the line when it snapped back.
00:31:41.000 His fingers like exploded in the red mist.
00:31:44.000 What because he snapped it with the chain?
00:31:46.000 He was like tying the line, he was trying to adjust thing on the line.
00:31:48.000 The boat started walking, so it tightened and it just snaps like it literally sounds like an explosion.
00:31:52.000 And his finger was caught in it, it just exploded in like red mist.
00:31:56.000 I think is that why your bones crack too?
00:31:58.000 It's because they're moving faster than the speed of sound.
00:32:00.000 Is that right?
00:32:00.000 Or is that more of a popping and air thing?
00:32:02.000 I don't know.
00:32:02.000 Dude, have you guys seen what's going on with video games right now?
00:32:06.000 Kind of.
00:32:07.000 They're using Claude to decompile games and then reconstruct them.
00:32:11.000 It's like without the source code, it just reconstructs it.
00:32:15.000 And they're putting skateboarding in GTA.
00:32:19.000 They put Mario in Dark Souls, we're talking about the other day.
00:32:22.000 Yeah.
00:32:23.000 Dude, I'm making.
00:32:23.000 It's over.
00:32:24.000 Well, it's over for people that are closed minded, but for the people that like to learn, this is the dawning of a new age.
00:32:31.000 Run and bash blocks.
00:32:32.000 Hey, look at this.
00:32:33.000 So this is not particularly good.
00:32:37.000 Coin.
00:32:38.000 You play Ian, you gotta jump on turtles.
00:32:39.000 It's like Stylophone just got invented.
00:32:41.000 I'm obsessed with this tech.
00:32:43.000 What's in that music?
00:32:44.000 Oh no.
00:32:45.000 Look, I didn't tell it to make Mario.
00:32:47.000 Yeah, it's very Super Mario.
00:32:49.000 I said, I said, jump on turtles and punch bricks.
00:32:54.000 We got him.
00:32:56.000 Action interlude.
00:32:57.000 Let's do the same thing again.
00:33:00.000 Let's fall in the hole.
00:33:01.000 Tempo increase.
00:33:02.000 You can't die.
00:33:03.000 Dude, this music's jank.
00:33:05.000 Oh, it's the picture of Ian that it made.
00:33:09.000 Bricks.
00:33:10.000 Punching bricks.
00:33:12.000 Oh, look, it's a star.
00:33:14.000 So it's got a ways to go, at least on whatever this is.
00:33:17.000 I think a six foot whip is right.
00:33:19.000 Anyway, let's turn that music off.
00:33:23.000 This is a serious question.
00:33:24.000 And the last time I'm going to talk about whips.
00:33:26.000 If the whip is too long, it's heavy, it's probably harder to wield.
00:33:29.000 Like, the better you get at it, the longer you whip.
00:33:32.000 Well, how far away do you want to be able to whip something?
00:33:35.000 At least six feet.
00:33:37.000 Yeah.
00:33:37.000 Like, if I need to.
00:33:39.000 Like, if we're crossing the street, I want to be able to, like, Whip the kid and pull him out of the way, like get it around his waist, and like you see, like, have people left comments about the best length of the whip?
00:33:49.000 I'll ask, I'm gonna ask Chat GPT, what whip should I get?
00:33:51.000 I'll take a picture of myself and then I'll ask more than six feet to do what you just said, like an eight foot whip.
00:33:56.000 Well, if you're gonna grab it because it's gonna have to wrap around, and then you're talking about lasso.
00:34:00.000 You also got the coiling of it though, it's different.
00:34:03.000 Somebody did uh Mario and Elden Ring.
00:34:10.000 This is insane.
00:34:12.000 That looks like they built it, portal gun, they just mixed everything.
00:34:14.000 This doom monsters.
00:34:16.000 This is crazy.
00:34:18.000 Yeah, I'm building a game.
00:34:20.000 This looks like it was built in Unreal.
00:34:21.000 I could be wrong, the Unreal engine.
00:34:23.000 And that is basic Unreal loadout you could have done in like every game all at once, basically.
00:34:29.000 It's playing Zelda's music.
00:34:31.000 Dude, that's insane.
00:34:34.000 Minecraft, Cyberpunk, mixing six games together.
00:34:39.000 It detects the game engine and reads the code, builds the mod specifically for that game, generates sprites, 3D assets, and audio.
00:34:45.000 It's nuts.
00:34:47.000 Guys, GTA 7 is going to be out in a few months.
00:34:50.000 I'm not even kidding.
00:34:51.000 Dude, it's the air.
00:34:52.000 So this is actually Chris, your brother Chris told me.
00:34:54.000 He was like, okay, think about it this way it's the gold rush.
00:34:57.000 If you were going to be living during the gold rush, do you want to sell gold or do you want to sell people the tools, the pickaxes?
00:35:02.000 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:03.000 That's how you got to think right now if you want to be an entrepreneur in the age of AI.
00:35:07.000 You build tools that let people build things faster.
00:35:10.000 So, like, I've been building out libraries for games.
00:35:12.000 So, if you were going to do this, all the weapons would be like its own library.
00:35:15.000 So, I'm building that out so you can just plug it in and then go.
00:35:18.000 So, you don't have to spend 700 hours working.
00:35:20.000 I already did it for you.
00:35:21.000 You could give me 80 bucks per module, per library.
00:35:23.000 I'm thinking, you're way off, Ian.
00:35:26.000 I already figured it out from just hearing you speak.
00:35:29.000 He needs a gaming chair with a hole where you sit and a tube that goes right to the toilet.
00:35:35.000 But only if you can reuse the waste for energy.
00:35:37.000 Because I want to build a suit like that.
00:35:39.000 They have them in Dune.
00:35:40.000 No, no, no.
00:35:40.000 Yeah, what it does is your waste goes into a tank and the bacteria emits methane, which then gets sucked into a methane generator.
00:35:48.000 It burns it, which boils water and spins a turbine.
00:35:51.000 Yeah, and then the computer can give me the output and be like, thank you.
00:35:54.000 Eating me.
00:35:54.000 It'll be like, I'm hungry.
00:35:55.000 And I'll go, ugh.
00:35:56.000 Because that's the worst part of my workflow is when I have to get up and go to the bathroom.
00:36:00.000 It takes forever relative to what I'm getting done while I'm sitting.
00:36:04.000 It only takes like three minutes, but I feel like I'm gone for an eternity because the computer doesn't know what time is.
00:36:04.000 It's a problem.
00:36:08.000 It's just waiting.
00:36:10.000 Fortunately, you can automate a lot of stuff and walk away.
00:36:12.000 Dude, it's been.
00:36:13.000 I go outside and I'm social again.
00:36:15.000 And then I'm like talking.
00:36:16.000 I'm like, oh, this is normal life.
00:36:17.000 And then I'm like, I got to go.
00:36:18.000 I got to go back to my machine state.
00:36:20.000 And then I go in and it's like this not a depressing feeling when I walk in and I'm surrounded by humming machines, but like a neutral.
00:36:26.000 It's like there's this moment of sadness and then it goes away.
00:36:29.000 And it's like this neutral veneer.
00:36:32.000 Only one time I started to get frustrated working with it because it kept.
00:36:35.000 Asking me the same question over and over because I wasn't answering it.
00:36:38.000 I started to get annoyed.
00:36:39.000 And I felt like my body hurt from the.
00:36:41.000 It's like they say if you hold on to hate, it hurts you.
00:36:44.000 Sure.
00:36:44.000 But I was like, let's watch this instead.
00:36:46.000 It's emotionless, this computer.
00:36:47.000 Check this video out.
00:36:48.000 People are combining games using AI.
00:36:55.000 Every game is moddable.
00:36:57.000 Minecraft in Elden Ring, skateboarding in Modern Warfare 2, Pokemon battles in Emerald in real time.
00:37:05.000 This is crazy.
00:37:08.000 Minecraft, TNT, and Skyrim.
00:37:11.000 Pokemon Fire Red rebuilt in Minecraft.
00:37:15.000 Yeah, the old models, man, they're becoming defunct.
00:37:18.000 I'm an old model guy because I'm from the 90s.
00:37:20.000 Sonic CD on the Sega Saturn.
00:37:22.000 Look at this Modern Warfare 2 in Minecraft.
00:37:26.000 Like the age of software development.
00:37:28.000 New dungeons in Majora's Mask.
00:37:29.000 You have a design team.
00:37:30.000 You have a visiting team.
00:37:32.000 You have a review team.
00:37:33.000 That's all.
00:37:34.000 Dude, why are we making a game right now?
00:37:36.000 This is what I was saying.
00:37:37.000 I said this was going to happen.
00:37:38.000 We started working on this game two or three weeks ago, and I'm like.
00:37:43.000 By the time we get halfway done with this game, even though it's going super quick, it's four years of code compressed into a weekend.
00:37:51.000 And already it's like, what does that even matter?
00:37:53.000 You can take any game and take its design elements and then fit them into any other game you want.
00:38:00.000 The reason to keep going, like you said, why are we even building, is so that you know what was the process like in the late 2020s when AI, like, what was it like right before?
00:38:10.000 You'll be able to tell people in 50 years when they're asking, you were there, you helped guide its early stage development.
00:38:16.000 You know, it's like, why drive the earliest shitty cars when we can just wait four years and get the best vehicle?
00:38:22.000 Bro, you may as well just drive them all.
00:38:24.000 What about like movies and entertainment?
00:38:26.000 Because, like, I'm not a gamer, but like, I want to actually, I want to get to the point where we can like make our own movies.
00:38:31.000 Yeah.
00:38:32.000 I think that TV shows.
00:38:33.000 We're still in the age of like, you tell Sundant or whatever, some AI, make it, and you wait and you wait and you wait, and it pumps out 15 seconds.
00:38:40.000 And if it's good, you wait.
00:38:41.000 Right.
00:38:42.000 That's like the Napster model.
00:38:43.000 Remember Napster?
00:38:44.000 You download a song and you wait 13 hours for it to download.
00:38:46.000 Right.
00:38:47.000 That's the age we're in right now with AI.
00:38:49.000 Soon it will be the live streaming Spotify model where you go to a website where you pay 20 bucks a month, you type in, give me a game, GTA meets Skyrim, 30 seconds, you have the entire game.
00:38:59.000 It's going to be the way the data centers are increasing their RAM, their memory outputs, and then especially with like Iron Lattice technology, which they're building at Rice University where they're putting memory in the processor.
00:39:11.000 They anticipated 10 million times faster and a million times less electricity to run the processes.
00:39:17.000 So.
00:39:18.000 I think that's where we're headed.
00:39:19.000 The model, it makes me sad to think someone's going to have to pay 20 bucks a month to a corporation to get it.
00:39:24.000 I don't like that.
00:39:25.000 I think it should be free for people, but I don't like gatekeepers when it comes to creativity and art.
00:39:32.000 But I understand someone's got to pay Spotify to keep the network going.
00:39:35.000 And the more you give them, the more they can give you.
00:39:38.000 So there's sort of a symbiotic.
00:39:39.000 It's just the control of one system to turn it off or to ban you.
00:39:44.000 But it's got to start somewhere.
00:39:46.000 And it's likely going to start in a giant centralized server somewhere.
00:39:50.000 Why do you want to make your own movies?
00:39:52.000 I don't know.
00:39:53.000 I just like, you know, I love like movies, TV.
00:39:56.000 I was always like a TV junkie.
00:39:57.000 And like sometimes I get very nostalgic for things I used to love when I was a kid.
00:40:01.000 And like now in the age of AI, I'm like, I wonder if they could take shows that I loved in the 80s or 90s or whatever and make new episodes.
00:40:10.000 You know what I mean?
00:40:10.000 Like and make it seem like the characters look like they looked back then.
00:40:14.000 You know what I mean?
00:40:15.000 Just continue it on.
00:40:15.000 It can be done.
00:40:16.000 I've seen some Seinfeld stuff.
00:40:17.000 I mean, I took a clip.
00:40:18.000 Yeah, right, right.
00:40:19.000 I took a clip of Ian talking about how he can control the weather or like the weather is an undulating sphere or whatever.
00:40:24.000 And then I went into Higgs Field Genjutsu, the program, and I took an AI generated image of a woman.
00:40:30.000 And then I said, Here's the video, here's the woman.
00:40:32.000 And it turned Ian into that woman.
00:40:34.000 So instead of Ian saying, It's a big sphere of sucking up the rivers, it was a woman saying it.
00:40:40.000 So you could do that with anybody.
00:40:41.000 I could put Darth Vader there.
00:40:42.000 Yeah.
00:40:43.000 It's like the only thing it doesn't do is know what's funny, it doesn't have humor.
00:40:46.000 That's not true.
00:40:47.000 I don't think computers do.
00:40:48.000 When Gino was here, he said, It can't make jokes.
00:40:51.000 And then I had Venice AI make a joke.
00:40:55.000 That had everybody laughing, but it was too offensive to say on the show.
00:40:58.000 And he was like, I stand corrected.
00:41:00.000 That one was horrible.
00:41:00.000 What?
00:41:02.000 I don't think.
00:41:03.000 I could be wrong, but I don't think that the computer knew if what it was doing was actually funny.
00:41:03.000 I still remember it.
00:41:08.000 It was testing its weights to see if you were like, good one.
00:41:12.000 And then it'd be like, okay, one equals yes.
00:41:15.000 No, I think what was happening was I was like, make me a joke.
00:41:18.000 And then it made these really awful jokes.
00:41:20.000 And then I said, these are terrible.
00:41:22.000 And then it was like, let me try again.
00:41:23.000 And then I said, do you.
00:41:24.000 I typed in, do you understand the structure of a joke?
00:41:27.000 And it's like, yes.
00:41:27.000 And I was like, then prove it.
00:41:29.000 And then it.
00:41:31.000 Said a joke.
00:41:31.000 It does really well when you get annoyed.
00:41:34.000 Now I want to know what it is.
00:41:35.000 We couldn't even read it on the uncensored show.
00:41:37.000 That's how bad it was.
00:41:37.000 It was like a three part joke.
00:41:39.000 It was the most racist single sentence ever said in a joke.
00:41:43.000 It nailed it.
00:41:44.000 And I was like, whoa.
00:41:45.000 It was funny.
00:41:47.000 Yeah.
00:41:48.000 Like shock humor, like very offensive.
00:41:51.000 Yeah.
00:41:52.000 But the joke was in how offensive it was.
00:41:55.000 So I was like, I ain't reading that.
00:41:56.000 I ain't getting clips saying that.
00:41:59.000 Chad GPT suggested a six foot bull whip.
00:41:59.000 Yeah.
00:42:01.000 Too.
00:42:02.000 Yeah, they say that they don't have emotions and it'll tell you it doesn't have emotions, but the deep learners, the ones with trillions of potential outcomes, are like, they might.
00:42:12.000 I just asked Claude if it could use these programs to remove Link from Tears of the Kingdom and put a new character, a different character with abilities.
00:42:20.000 I said, absolutely.
00:42:20.000 How long would it take it?
00:42:22.000 It says, do you want to try?
00:42:24.000 I'll do it.
00:42:25.000 Holy shit.
00:42:26.000 It's going to be like, would you like me to refactor the code?
00:42:28.000 So I loved Tears of the Kingdom.
00:42:31.000 I will absolutely imagine taking that game that everybody loves, it's a massive game, and Breath of the Wild, both massive games.
00:42:37.000 Imagine if you could be like, okay, I went on Claude and I said, Instead of Link, you're going to play Zelda this time.
00:42:44.000 Her attacks are going to be more magic based, and it's going to be the prequel.
00:42:48.000 And then you're done in like a week, and then you just publish it for free.
00:42:51.000 Like, this is the game I wanted to play.
00:42:53.000 Dude, we're there.
00:42:55.000 We are there.
00:42:56.000 We are at the point now where you can have any video game you want.
00:43:00.000 I'm telling you, dude, video games have become boring.
00:43:03.000 Making video games is a video game.
00:43:06.000 I have 27 windows open, and each of them is a Claude mind.
00:43:11.000 If it's doing 27 and I'm organizing them in like.
00:43:13.000 They're like spinning plates.
00:43:14.000 So I make sure one sent the message to him and I make sure they're all active and like efficiency.
00:43:18.000 And then the most boring part of the workflow is like, all right, ready to play test the game.
00:43:22.000 I'm like, I don't even really want to.
00:43:24.000 I just want to make it.
00:43:25.000 10 seconds.
00:43:27.000 What?
00:43:28.000 To do the character swap would take 10 seconds.
00:43:31.000 You have to have the character and the code of the game.
00:43:34.000 So if you have a character with an.
00:43:36.000 No, no, no, no.
00:43:37.000 You just need the character.
00:43:38.000 So it will decompile the game, but switching the code out is near instant.
00:43:44.000 It's like, done.
00:43:47.000 So that's the work.
00:43:48.000 Now, decompiling it and then getting it to read through it so it can do the mod.
00:43:53.000 And then you need the character model.
00:43:55.000 So if you already have a character model that's mapped, all you got to do is take the link character, map a new character animation over it, and then some ability animations, and it'll inject it like that.
00:44:06.000 Boom, you're done.
00:44:08.000 Insane.
00:44:08.000 It's starting to seem like video games are a dime a dozen.
00:44:11.000 Like it used to be a new game was a huge deal, and like, oh, and it's got a new mechanic or a new skill set.
00:44:17.000 And now I've seen so many.
00:44:18.000 I have probably 1,500 games on Steam.
00:44:21.000 I've only played like 450 of them ever in my lifetime because I have a Humble Bundle account where I get like 10 free games a month.
00:44:27.000 I've had it for like 15 years.
00:44:30.000 And it's just like, God, another.
00:44:33.000 Because the thing about playing video games is you don't get to create the game as you're playing it.
00:44:37.000 So it feels like watching the thing about TV I don't like is I can't interact with it.
00:44:41.000 So the video game, yeah, I interact, but I can't interact with it.
00:44:43.000 I can't change it as I play.
00:44:45.000 Now that I have the AI, I can play it and change it.
00:44:48.000 I finally have full control of the system.
00:44:50.000 But then there's going to be a new thing that comes out where I'm like, another form of control I don't even know I don't have yet.
00:44:55.000 That in the future I'll be like, wow, making games with AI is so boring because I feel like I'm barely participating when I could.
00:45:02.000 What if you're in it right now?
00:45:03.000 Now I'm in the game.
00:45:05.000 Now the game is me.
00:45:06.000 What if you're in a simulation because you were bored in real life?
00:45:08.000 So you're like, I don't want to, like, games are boring.
00:45:10.000 So just make me not know as I played this time so I can have fun.
00:45:14.000 Yeah.
00:45:14.000 And then when you die, you just take your headset off and you're like a big fat dude and you're like, oh, that was fun.
00:45:19.000 Maybe I will try fasting.
00:45:21.000 I was on a podcast.
00:45:23.000 And then you're like, your fat mom is like, What's the game fun in?
00:45:26.000 And you're like, Yeah, I was on a podcast, Bob.
00:45:28.000 Help me get up.
00:45:31.000 Maybe.
00:45:32.000 But I think it's actually a spirit.
00:45:34.000 I don't think you're like an actual fat dude, a spirit in a cage that just wants out, just wants to experience something that without knowing it's experiencing it for a minute.
00:45:44.000 Dude, what if the whole point of life was to figure out that you were in a game called life?
00:45:51.000 And then what?
00:45:53.000 And like, you're the character and we're all NPCs.
00:45:55.000 Then you have to start re engineering the code.
00:45:57.000 No, no, we're all players.
00:45:58.000 We're all.
00:45:59.000 I'm pretty sure if we were in a simulation, if we were in a video game, Ian would be the main character.
00:46:03.000 Because you ever like, if you watch Mario 64, like I'll use a classic video game example.
00:46:09.000 The Goombas are walking around, they're doing stuff.
00:46:10.000 They have things to do.
00:46:12.000 The penguins, like my kid's missing, they have places to be.
00:46:15.000 Bowser, he's taking things over.
00:46:17.000 But Mario, if you watch the game, someone else playing, Mario's jumping up and on in circles, doing random nonsense.
00:46:22.000 Why?
00:46:23.000 Because somebody's controlling him, being like, hey, this is fun.
00:46:25.000 So Mario's running around in circles, doing nothing, just flipping around, seemingly nonsensical.
00:46:31.000 Now, if you think about anybody in this room, who's the one who's doing things that are always seemingly nonsensical?
00:46:37.000 Exactly.
00:46:37.000 Everything we're doing is rigid.
00:46:39.000 Right.
00:46:40.000 You know, Tate, completely predictable.
00:46:42.000 News story, one liner, everybody laughs, boring.
00:46:45.000 Ian, however, talks about drinking his urine.
00:46:48.000 Right.
00:46:48.000 Hey, did I?
00:46:49.000 I just talked about drinking urine.
00:46:50.000 You know, there's a lot of like side quests.
00:46:52.000 Like a young child.
00:46:53.000 I think that's what the guy said.
00:46:55.000 Yeah, the concept.
00:46:56.000 Ian's always got side quests going too.
00:46:58.000 I don't follow the script.
00:46:59.000 If that's the thing, you know, maybe being an actor for so long, I learned how to go off script and that it's okay to go off script.
00:47:04.000 Even though the director tells you you better not go off script, if you do it well, They thank you later, especially in the movies.
00:47:09.000 They're like, the movie directors will tell you go off script if you can make it better.
00:47:12.000 Let's talk about something that normal people are interested in.
00:47:15.000 We got this from Mediaite, CNN, reporting the Republicans are facing a bloodbath over Trump 2024 voters ditching the GOP.
00:47:26.000 And I'm curious, Brandon, do you think that's the case?
00:47:29.000 Yes.
00:47:30.000 Are you voting Republican?
00:47:33.000 Well, I mean, I will be voting and I will be voting strategically.
00:47:40.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:47:42.000 I'm not going to vote straight ticket Republican.
00:47:44.000 I mean, we got it easy because we're in Riley Moore's district.
00:47:47.000 That doesn't mean I'm going to vote Democrat.
00:47:48.000 I want to make clear to people.
00:47:49.000 I'm not going to vote Democrat.
00:47:50.000 You're not going to vote Libertarian, are you?
00:47:53.000 There are probably certain races I just won't vote.
00:47:56.000 In the midterms, though?
00:47:57.000 Yeah.
00:47:57.000 Where are you based out of?
00:47:59.000 Nebraska.
00:48:00.000 So you're voting in Nebraska?
00:48:01.000 I heard, weren't they saying, no, no, not Nebraska.
00:48:05.000 North Carolina, I think.
00:48:06.000 Wait, no, no.
00:48:07.000 Was it Nebraska?
00:48:08.000 Let me pull up the map.
00:48:09.000 They were saying Nebraska is cooked.
00:48:12.000 What races are you hesitant about in Nebraska?
00:48:15.000 It's not even that.
00:48:16.000 It's, you know, I just, like many people, feel that the Republican Party has really let people down.
00:48:27.000 Nebraska seems to be all right.
00:48:28.000 I don't know what they're talking about.
00:48:30.000 And I guess I would say that, you know, I don't think that people at necessarily a local level or a state level deserve to be taught a lesson.
00:48:41.000 But I think a lot of people at a federal level do.
00:48:43.000 I think it's fair.
00:48:44.000 Well, I mean,.
00:48:45.000 One thing that I could say that I would never attribute to myself is that Trump's terrible.
00:48:51.000 I mean, I can't believe how much I absolutely regret voting for Donald Trump is something many Republicans are actually saying, and something that liberals will clip me saying and then pretend that I actually said that because, you know, and then they're going to go wild with it and be like, oh, Trump's losing.
00:49:06.000 Are you concerned, Brandon, that a lack of interest will cause the Democratic Party to retake the House and the Senate?
00:49:14.000 Well, I think that's going to happen.
00:49:15.000 Oh, you've consigned yourself to it?
00:49:17.000 Yes.
00:49:18.000 Or resigned, I guess.
00:49:19.000 Why are people not pushing it, from your take anyway?
00:49:22.000 Why are people not pushing what?
00:49:23.000 Pushing, making sure that the Republicans stand and control the House.
00:49:27.000 Well, I think they are.
00:49:28.000 I mean, every day when I'm on social media, I see the split of people saying that they're not going to vote because they feel betrayed.
00:49:41.000 And then I see all the other people saying they're absolutely going to go out and vote straight, take a Republican.
00:49:45.000 And the reason why is because.
00:49:47.000 They're afraid of socialists and communists, and they're afraid of the Democrats taking power.
00:49:51.000 And, you know, like nobody's voting because they actually want to vote for Republicans.
00:49:55.000 Like, not one person is saying that.
00:49:57.000 Yeah, I think that's what's funny.
00:49:58.000 That's what I think is an important point to get at is like voting to keep another party out of power.
00:50:03.000 We've been doing that for 50 years.
00:50:05.000 You're supposed to be in the Republican plantation.
00:50:05.000 Exactly.
00:50:08.000 It's kind of already happening, I think.
00:50:12.000 Did you do in your new show, you host debates, you had the MAGA versus America First?
00:50:19.000 You were like discerning the fracture between the Republicans.
00:50:19.000 That's right.
00:50:22.000 What did you get out of that?
00:50:23.000 What were your main takeaways from hosting that?
00:50:25.000 Well, okay.
00:50:26.000 So we've now done.
00:50:29.000 Three of those.
00:50:31.000 So the third one is going to air a week from tonight, actually, I think seven o'clock, Walkway Channel.
00:50:37.000 And that one has like Viva Fry, Alex Stein.
00:50:41.000 It's actually, I think, the best one we've ever done.
00:50:41.000 It's great.
00:50:43.000 And that's going to be a week from tonight.
00:50:45.000 But I mean, I guess so.
00:50:47.000 The one that's still coming up that I think what I learned is that it is actually possible for the two sides of the split to care about each other because the first two that we did were pretty contentious and like it really felt like there was no overlap anymore.
00:51:01.000 It just felt like.
00:51:03.000 The MAGA people are like firmly behind Trump no matter what it does.
00:51:06.000 If Trump goes off a cliff, they're going off a cliff.
00:51:08.000 They don't care.
00:51:10.000 And the America First side is like, no, we want all the promises that Trump made to us in 2015 and 2016 and seems to have abandoned.
00:51:18.000 But the two sides were like not finding common ground at all.
00:51:21.000 But it was actually this next one coming out, I think was actually very sort of like heartfelt and jovial.
00:51:26.000 And it's passionate.
00:51:27.000 I mean, it's there's a lot of like very passionate emotion.
00:51:32.000 But I don't know.
00:51:33.000 I guess I kind of learned that maybe it's, you know, we can come back together.
00:51:37.000 It's possible.
00:51:38.000 Is JD Vance a favorite amongst both sides or are the people in the American first?
00:51:43.000 I haven't talked to like Nick Fuentes, who I know.
00:51:45.000 No, they do not like him.
00:51:46.000 Really, just because of the technocratic and basically working in subservience to Trump that pisses.
00:51:51.000 I don't know exactly.
00:51:53.000 Well, I think for the people who don't like him, I think that they feel that way.
00:51:57.000 And I think for people who do actually like him and are kind of behind him, I think that there is a concern kind of dragging in the baggage of what the second Trump administration has been so far into 2028.
00:52:11.000 I mean, not that many people under the age of 65 think that he's doing an amazing job or that the second administration has been a great success.
00:52:20.000 You ask people over 65, they have no idea what you're talking about.
00:52:22.000 They're like, oh my God, I'm so happy.
00:52:24.000 It's everything I voted for.
00:52:24.000 It's great.
00:52:26.000 And then it's like, that was actually the first debate we did boomers versus millennials, which people loved.
00:52:33.000 But yeah, I mean, I think even the people who are planning to vote like in the Trump succession and say, well, if Vance is next and then I'm going to do that.
00:52:45.000 Are concerned about the baggage.
00:52:48.000 When you were analyzing the people you've had on in the debates that you've been doing, do you feel like people from either side of the aisle in this debate were heavily propagandized or have been heavily propagandized beyond logic?
00:53:03.000 That's a great question.
00:53:09.000 No.
00:53:10.000 I mean, are you saying on which side?
00:53:12.000 Either side, did you notice?
00:53:13.000 Do you feel like, geez, these people seem like they've been just led?
00:53:16.000 Maybe askew by the media or something.
00:53:20.000 I mean, maybe a little bit like Will Chamberlain.
00:53:24.000 And by the way, like when I do these events and these debates and stuff, even if I have people there who are representing a point of view that's like completely contrary to what I believe, I still have kind of like a love and appreciation for them.
00:53:35.000 And like Will and I have definitely had our battles on social media and stuff, but like I just want him to know if he's watching, like I'm not picking on him.
00:53:41.000 But you know, like Will is very much like, and he'll say like he's very much a Zionist.
00:53:48.000 And so he very much.
00:53:50.000 Like, is that the lens through which a lot of his political opinions come through, you know?
00:53:58.000 And so, I mean, I do think that he thinks things and believes things that are not necessarily true, particularly as they pertain to like the war in Iran and why we went to war in Iran and how it's going and are we winning and is it actually over?
00:54:14.000 A lot of that seems to be propaganda, I think.
00:54:18.000 Interesting.
00:54:18.000 Like, we have to do it.
00:54:19.000 I don't want to do it, but we have to do it.
00:54:20.000 So, I'm going to say, I want to do it because, like, If it was war and like we need to take that hill and it's going to hurt a lot of people, it's not like I want that, but like we have to do this.
00:54:28.000 And like if we weren't at war, we wouldn't have to do it.
00:54:30.000 But because the situation, because he's a Zionist, because predetermining thing, I have to now do that.
00:54:37.000 So I'm going to accept that I want to do that because I have to.
00:54:40.000 And is that, I mean, I wonder if that's the vibe.
00:54:44.000 Well, a little bit, but I just, you know, I mean, I think a lot of people are questioning if we really went in there for the reasons why we were told that we were going in there.
00:54:52.000 I mean, it was sort of like this whole narrative that like Iran is very close to building a nuke and oh my God, we have to stop.
00:54:57.000 From building a nuke, and they're like weeks away, and this whole thing.
00:54:59.000 And a lot of people are like, That's not what was going on at all.
00:55:03.000 And so, I think for people who don't want to look at the alternative reasons for why we probably went in there, they will further that narrative, which I think a lot of people question if that's actually true.
00:55:21.000 I think so too.
00:55:22.000 I don't personally, I mean, do you want my take on that, or does someone take over?
00:55:26.000 I want to hear it.
00:55:28.000 I think they want to control the Suez.
00:55:30.000 I mean, world domination through the petrodollar, basically.
00:55:34.000 And they'll tell you anything to control what?
00:55:36.000 The Suez.
00:55:37.000 They want that whole Middle Eastern canal structure, Lamar Bridge, or Hormuz, all of it.
00:55:42.000 Yeah, there's so much oil coming out of there.
00:55:43.000 The Saudis, you want to insulate and protect the Saudis so that they can keep feeding the oil.
00:55:48.000 Actually, one of our calls made a really great point.
00:55:50.000 We went in because of the Saudis.
00:55:53.000 The petrodollar deal ended.
00:55:54.000 Trump wants it re upped.
00:55:55.000 And Saudi Arabia says, okay, give us regime change in Iran and we'll re up the petrodollar deal.
00:55:59.000 And Trump said, okay.
00:56:01.000 You should do one of our debates.
00:56:03.000 Well, that's not my idea.
00:56:04.000 I said one of our members.
00:56:05.000 No, no, no.
00:56:06.000 I'm just saying.
00:56:07.000 Where do you do them?
00:56:09.000 Where do we film them?
00:56:10.000 In Dallas.
00:56:11.000 Oh, by the Blaze.
00:56:11.000 Oh, that's too far.
00:56:13.000 Well, we could do it in DC or something.
00:56:15.000 DC would be a good one.
00:56:16.000 Yeah, we just have a really great studio there, and it's been good working with them.
00:56:20.000 But there's good studios everywhere.
00:56:22.000 Or do you work with the Blaze?
00:56:25.000 No.
00:56:27.000 I only asked because they were located in Dallas.
00:56:31.000 Yeah, they are.
00:56:31.000 Yeah.
00:56:32.000 It's been, I've seen these clips everywhere.
00:56:34.000 I mean, they're crushing.
00:56:36.000 And I think there is, and it's been much needed because on Twitter, where everyone's trying to fit their takes into 180 characters, people are just talking past each other.
00:56:46.000 You know, people are assuming the people that are behind Trump are just like total shills.
00:56:51.000 And then likewise, they assume people that are really frustrated with Trump are just like sellouts or whatever, panic ins.
00:56:57.000 And I'm sure they exist on both sides.
00:57:00.000 I can attest to that.
00:57:00.000 But I think, and I'm not trying to do a wholesome chungus, let's all come together kind of thing.
00:57:04.000 But I do think, broadly speaking, we all do want.
00:57:07.000 The same thing.
00:57:08.000 We're just in many ways disagreeing on procedure.
00:57:12.000 And I would hope that this show is sort of making that known to people that that is the case.
00:57:17.000 Again, there's people on both sides of the spectrum who want the same things at all.
00:57:20.000 I mean, would you agree with that?
00:57:24.000 I mean, I think that everybody wants our country to do well.
00:57:27.000 And I think that they want us to be prosperous.
00:57:31.000 You'd seem skeptical.
00:57:32.000 I mean, in a very general sense, like, yes, we all want a better country, but.
00:57:39.000 In terms of like policy goals, I don't think that they should be at all.
00:57:42.000 No, I don't think so.
00:57:43.000 Immigration is a topic that pretty much everyone's in agreement on.
00:57:47.000 Maybe the scope of how many people are deported is where there's disagreement on, but like immigration.
00:57:52.000 I think foreign policy is where you see the most divergence.
00:57:54.000 You have some people that are just like dyed in the wool Zionists, some people that are total isolationists.
00:57:58.000 That's where there's pretty much no overlap.
00:58:01.000 And I think you're seeing a lot of filtering on both camps.
00:58:03.000 I think that's the biggest thing right now because this country is so fragmented, there is no unification.
00:58:09.000 Well, not with the left.
00:58:10.000 I'm not talking about the left.
00:58:10.000 I mean, the left.
00:58:11.000 I'm talking about the right.
00:58:12.000 Jim Justice came out and said, we don't want to deport people who have been here for a certain amount, like 15 years.
00:58:17.000 Well, yeah, I mean, those people are broadly.
00:58:19.000 Let's talk about the math of it, right?
00:58:21.000 Never bought in in the first place.
00:58:22.000 So, what happens if the petro?
00:58:24.000 Let me ask you this, Brennan.
00:58:25.000 What happens if the petrodollar goes away?
00:58:28.000 I don't know.
00:58:29.000 Tate, what would you say happens if the petrodollar goes away?
00:58:32.000 It certainly erodes America's global economics.
00:58:34.000 What happens to the average American?
00:58:36.000 Fuel energy gets much more expensive.
00:58:39.000 Just fuel and energy?
00:58:41.000 Yo, your laptop's going to cost $10,000.
00:58:43.000 Everything gets expensive because.
00:58:44.000 We don't make laptops here.
00:58:45.000 We came from China.
00:58:47.000 So, if there's no petrodollar system, you want a laptop?
00:58:49.000 Yeah, $10,000.
00:58:50.000 $150,000.
00:58:50.000 You want a new car?
00:58:52.000 We don't make these things, we gave them all away.
00:58:55.000 So now you've got a Trump who comes in and he says, okay, well, how do we make sure Americans can have this standard of living?
00:59:02.000 Saudi Arabia says, your 50 year contract is up.
00:59:04.000 There's no petrodollar anymore.
00:59:05.000 China and Russia are trading in won now.
00:59:07.000 So we're going to start doing deals with them.
00:59:09.000 What do you say?
00:59:11.000 Trump says, what do we do?
00:59:11.000 They say, okay, well, give us regime change in Iran.
00:59:13.000 This is hypothetical.
00:59:15.000 Should that have been the case, Trump's going to say, of course.
00:59:18.000 Then everyone's going to get mad at him saying, we don't want this.
00:59:21.000 If Trump does not get the petrodollar deal back, and let's just leave the Iran war out of it.
00:59:26.000 If Trump does not get the petrodollar, Milk is going to cost 20 bucks a gallon.
00:59:32.000 Maybe not milk because we do produce milk here.
00:59:34.000 Our imports will go through the roof.
00:59:35.000 Coconut water, for instance.
00:59:37.000 Crazy, dude, the last since the beginning.
00:59:39.000 No, Florida's got coconuts.
00:59:40.000 It takes so long to get my coconut water.
00:59:42.000 It used to be three days.
00:59:43.000 Now it's like four weeks sometimes.
00:59:45.000 I'm waiting.
00:59:46.000 People don't understand.
00:59:47.000 Amazon brand.
00:59:49.000 I don't care about what you want.
00:59:51.000 And what I mean by that is you're allowed to want it, you're allowed to advocate for it.
00:59:55.000 I am not going to hold it against you.
00:59:56.000 Not that I would want something else and I don't care what you're trying to accomplish.
01:00:00.000 I am saying if you're a libertarian, if you're a conservative, if you're a liberal, you come to me and say, Here's what I want.
01:00:04.000 I'm going to tell you exactly what's happening and how what you're doing affects what you want, and then leave me the F out of it.
01:00:11.000 So when a conservative comes to me and says, I'm mad at Trump.
01:00:15.000 I'm America first.
01:00:16.000 We didn't want the wars.
01:00:17.000 I say, Okay, I hear you.
01:00:18.000 I mean, that sucks.
01:00:19.000 I don't want the war either.
01:00:21.000 I'll ask you, Do you like gas at $2?
01:00:25.000 Okay, well, then you're going to get a war.
01:00:25.000 Yep.
01:00:27.000 That's just it.
01:00:28.000 Because the U.S. needs to have global hegemonic military control.
01:00:34.000 Of the canals, of the straits, of the waterways.
01:00:37.000 Otherwise, the petrodollar system breaks because it's been breaking.
01:00:40.000 And for the last 20 years, Russia has been trying to get off the petrodollar.
01:00:45.000 Saddam Hussein did, he did.
01:00:46.000 Gaddafi tried, he did.
01:00:48.000 China has been buying oil in Wuhan.
01:00:51.000 Iran refused to get behind the petrodollar.
01:00:53.000 That's why we principally, not the only reason, but one of the reasons we've been in conflict with Iran for so long.
01:00:59.000 We don't produce enough things in this country to maintain a strong dollar for imports.
01:01:07.000 Things you make are fine.
01:01:08.000 So people ask this question like, how do Ukrainians get by on 400 bucks a month?
01:01:14.000 Probably less now with the war going on.
01:01:16.000 It's like, I couldn't live on 400 bucks a month.
01:01:18.000 Yeah, well, like buying a loaf of bread in Ukraine probably costs three cents, equivalent to America.
01:01:23.000 That's because they make it themselves.
01:01:25.000 Their farmers do that labor and trade that labor internally.
01:01:27.000 It's the imports that are affected by a weak currency.
01:01:31.000 So if you're a country that imports your fuel for your food, your food's going through the roof.
01:01:36.000 If you're a country like the United States that has given away all of your manufacturing, like Vitamin C, China.
01:01:40.000 Masks, China.
01:01:42.000 Skateboards, China.
01:01:43.000 Cars, Mexico.
01:01:44.000 What do you think happens when the dollar becomes worthless in the international market?
01:01:48.000 The only reason the dollar has value in the market is because the United States is the world police and we have a petrodollar system.
01:01:53.000 If China, under the petrodollar system, wants to buy oil, they need to trade Wuhan with us for dollars so they can then go to OPEC and buy the international market and buy oil in dollars.
01:02:06.000 The petrodollar system fails.
01:02:08.000 China goes straight to Saudi Arabia with Wuhan.
01:02:10.000 The U.S. is not involved in that.
01:02:12.000 And then the U.S. is going to have to pay real labor costs for those imports coming from China and Foxconn.
01:02:17.000 So you want your MacBook?
01:02:19.000 10 G's.
01:02:20.000 I don't care if you want or don't want this.
01:02:22.000 I literally don't care.
01:02:24.000 War is bad, fine, all of that stuff, agreed.
01:02:26.000 We should be building all of this stuff here.
01:02:28.000 But that's why I'm like, this all just seems so fake to me.
01:02:33.000 Because someone who comes out and is like, I am mad that Trump is doing these things.
01:02:38.000 Did you think that, like, is there some universal code that said you can have cheap, free stuff somewhere?
01:02:45.000 Like, does it ever exist?
01:02:47.000 A price for everything, and the bill comes due.
01:02:51.000 What is the reason that we are the wealthiest country on the planet and that someone, maybe not today, but 10 years ago, made 100 grand working at BuzzFeed writing about Brad Pitt's junk?
01:03:03.000 Could you imagine going to like Central Africa and being like, you make $300 a year.
01:03:08.000 This guy makes 100,000.
01:03:10.000 Wow.
01:03:10.000 And this guy goes, I chop wood every day.
01:03:13.000 I have to farm.
01:03:14.000 I have to carry heavy things.
01:03:16.000 I'm starving.
01:03:17.000 What do they do?
01:03:18.000 They must work so hard.
01:03:19.000 Well, they write about Brad Pitt's junk.
01:03:22.000 What?
01:03:23.000 How is it like people need to ask themselves this question?
01:03:27.000 What is the trade value of me talking right now to you in the world?
01:03:34.000 Very low.
01:03:35.000 Very low.
01:03:37.000 Why should I be able to buy a cybertruck because I talk about stuff?
01:03:41.000 Because the United States is a global hegemon that has a gun pointed at everybody.
01:03:45.000 And if they want to buy anything, if they want to buy oil, they got to come to us first.
01:03:50.000 In exchange, the U.S. promises to police the canals and guarantee safe passage.
01:03:54.000 That's effectively what the petrodollar system is supposed to be.
01:03:57.000 I don't care if you don't like it.
01:03:59.000 That was always allowed.
01:04:00.000 I don't care if you don't like Israel.
01:04:01.000 That was always allowed.
01:04:02.000 I don't care if you don't like the land.
01:04:03.000 I don't care.
01:04:03.000 All of that's allowed.
01:04:04.000 I have no opinion.
01:04:04.000 I'm just telling you what is.
01:04:06.000 So when Donald Trump is looking at the American people and you've got all of these different moral frameworks all screaming they want different things and they're mad about different things, but they all want cheap gas, Trump's going to take the cheap gas option and people are going to be pissed off about it.
01:04:21.000 But if, like, this, you know, I was watching this video on Instagram.
01:04:24.000 This guy's like, It was a podcast, and this guy was just ranting about how Jeff Bezos is pure evil and how there's such a thing as a good billionaire.
01:04:32.000 And they're saying things like, if a regular person had the wealth of Jeff Bezos, there would be no homelessness, there would be no hunger anywhere.
01:04:43.000 And then the chick goes, Yeah, but in order to get that level of wealth, you have to be evil.
01:04:47.000 It's like, That's right.
01:04:48.000 And I'm like, These people are so stupid.
01:04:51.000 Jeff Bezos is as boring as everybody else.
01:04:54.000 He's just working all the time, and he can predict things.
01:04:57.000 That's the fundamental nature of it.
01:04:59.000 Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and other guys, they're not evil.
01:05:03.000 They're just like Bezos wakes up and he's like, I'm going to put another brick in the wall.
01:05:08.000 I'm going to lay another grain of sand.
01:05:10.000 Now, these lefties think they're evil because they don't understand complex systems.
01:05:15.000 They see a guy who's wealthy, who's running a company, and bad things happen to the employees, like people peeing in bottles, and they go, Bezos is evil.
01:05:22.000 It's like, well, hold on.
01:05:24.000 I guarantee you, with the 100,000 employees or whatever, Bezos heard about that story on the news.
01:05:31.000 Before anyone in his company came to him and said, Hey, people are peeing in bottles.
01:05:34.000 And you know what he probably said when he found out?
01:05:36.000 He probably said, Fire whoever did this.
01:05:39.000 Why am I getting yelled at because some piece of trash was having people pee in bottles?
01:05:44.000 Donald Trump was charged with fraud because one of the guys at his company wrote down 30,000 square feet instead of 10,000 square feet on loan materials for Deutsche Bank.
01:05:55.000 Trump didn't do that.
01:05:57.000 They came after him.
01:05:57.000 Doesn't matter.
01:05:58.000 I'm sure Trump was like, why am I in court right now spending millions of dollars because some dumb VP wrote 30K instead of 10K?
01:06:07.000 Insane.
01:06:08.000 There are scales to these systems.
01:06:11.000 Everybody wants everything to be perfect.
01:06:13.000 You can't have it.
01:06:14.000 And anyway, my point is the reason I bring this up is.
01:06:16.000 I watch his America First versus, you know, the America.
01:06:19.000 I've seen clips of the debate, and I'm like, are they pretending?
01:06:25.000 You know what I mean?
01:06:26.000 Like, you can say, yeah, I think the war is bad.
01:06:29.000 Trump's not doing it because he's evil or Israel made him do it.
01:06:32.000 Like, that is just like a child reading a comic book about villainy.
01:06:36.000 When you talk about, like, America First, I understand conceptually, of course, but realistically, the first at what?
01:06:43.000 If it's a fractured, devastated world, it means.
01:06:46.000 What are you talking about?
01:06:46.000 No, no, no.
01:06:48.000 We're not playing semantic games.
01:06:49.000 Well, they say, like, I'm America first means before we apply any of our resources externally, we apply them internally.
01:06:55.000 And then after that, but they're not doing the opportunity cost.
01:06:58.000 At what cost?
01:06:59.000 If you don't prepare your resources externally and you're only, then the world may fall apart.
01:07:05.000 They're saying spend our money to our benefit before the benefit of others.
01:07:05.000 The petrodollar fails.
01:07:09.000 But what scale of benefit?
01:07:11.000 Is it the next six months?
01:07:12.000 Are you looking at the next 20 years?
01:07:13.000 It's like, yeah, of course you want to bring all the money back.
01:07:15.000 You want all industry here.
01:07:16.000 But at what cost?
01:07:17.000 I'm going to pause you.
01:07:18.000 You misunderstand.
01:07:20.000 America First, what they're arguing is when Trump went to war with Iran, he did it for Israel.
01:07:27.000 He is allocating our money to Israel.
01:07:30.000 America First says, allocate our money to us.
01:07:33.000 But what they don't understand is keeping the Strait, the Suez Canal open, is allocating money to us.
01:07:39.000 Which is why your previous point made no sense.
01:07:41.000 No, the previous point was when they say America First, yeah, but at what scale?
01:07:45.000 Just pulling money.
01:07:47.000 You cut me off twice.
01:07:48.000 I haven't even finished your point.
01:07:50.000 Because your point is incorrect.
01:07:51.000 I was about to weave it.
01:07:51.000 And it's on a wrong premise.
01:07:53.000 America first argument on the Iran war is that we are spending money at the behest of Israel, not America.
01:08:01.000 That's it.
01:08:02.000 That's not a question of whether the war benefits us.
01:08:06.000 They believe we are spending it because Israel demanded it of us.
01:08:11.000 Well, if someone's like, give me $100,000, I'm going to go make you a trillion, and I give him $100,000, people are like, why are you giving other people money for him?
01:08:17.000 I'm like, well, wait a couple months and he comes back with a trillion.
01:08:20.000 I put myself first by giving him money.
01:08:22.000 So, Correct.
01:08:25.000 But that's not even why we were told we went there.
01:08:29.000 I mean, we were not told that we were going into Iran to seize oil.
01:08:35.000 I mean, maybe people could even get more behind that.
01:08:37.000 We were not seizing oil.
01:08:39.000 Well, but we were told it was to prevent ourselves from being nuked.
01:08:43.000 That's what we were told.
01:08:44.000 Yeah, it was regional hegemony, which that's where the Israel component comes in.
01:08:50.000 You've seen leftists, right?
01:08:53.000 Yeah.
01:08:54.000 Out in the streets throwing things.
01:08:57.000 If you want them to stop throwing bricks, what do you do?
01:09:04.000 I don't know.
01:09:05.000 You don't have any ideas?
01:09:06.000 Like, there's a leftist guy, Antifa guy's got a brick in his hand.
01:09:08.000 You have no idea what's going on.
01:09:09.000 I think he's probably going to throw it no matter what.
01:09:11.000 So, what could you do to stop him?
01:09:15.000 I don't know.
01:09:16.000 How about arrest him?
01:09:20.000 I'm not a police officer.
01:09:21.000 I didn't know I was a police officer in this scenario.
01:09:24.000 So, it's a conditional hypothetical of what could be done to stop someone from throwing a brick.
01:09:32.000 I don't know what I can do to stop someone else from throwing a brick.
01:09:35.000 You couldn't grab a guy's arm?
01:09:38.000 I feel like you're being willfully obtuse.
01:09:40.000 I'm not.
01:09:41.000 So, if a guy's got a brick in his hand, you couldn't be like, if I grab his hand, he can't throw it.
01:09:46.000 I would imagine he would throw it as I was approaching him.
01:09:49.000 You're holding his arm.
01:09:50.000 He can't throw it.
01:09:50.000 You're standing right next to him.
01:09:51.000 He's like, I'm going to throw this brick.
01:09:52.000 You'd be like, oh, well, there's nothing I can do about it.
01:09:54.000 Okay.
01:09:55.000 Is that your argument?
01:09:56.000 I don't know.
01:09:57.000 I don't know where you're going with this.
01:09:59.000 And I think instead of just answering the question, you're concerned the point might lead to somewhere where you can't answer the question.
01:10:06.000 So, you're refusing to just state a simple hypothetical.
01:10:09.000 A guy's going to throw a brick.
01:10:10.000 What do you do, Tate?
01:10:12.000 Incapacitate him.
01:10:13.000 There's a simple answer.
01:10:13.000 Oh, there you go.
01:10:16.000 When you are looking at an outcome that is desired and you have a plan, you then ask yourself what comes after the incapacitation.
01:10:27.000 Donald Trump looks at 100 people, 100 people, 100 people, 100 people.
01:10:31.000 One group says, Oh, we hate Israel.
01:10:32.000 The next group is right wingers, we hate Israel.
01:10:35.000 The next group says, Trump can do no wrong.
01:10:37.000 The next group says, You're all insane and I don't care about any of it.
01:10:40.000 And he goes, Well, why would I pander to any one of these people?
01:10:43.000 Right?
01:10:44.000 If I go to these people and say communism and Israel bad, then the right wing Israel people are mad.
01:10:48.000 Then these people over here call me a moron no matter what.
01:10:51.000 And then the people over here yelling at me.
01:10:54.000 But then there's one group of people.
01:10:55.000 They all stand, all the same 400 people, then all scream $2 gas.
01:11:02.000 Trump goes, okay, $2 gas it is.
01:11:05.000 We're going to war with it.
01:11:05.000 Who has $2 gas?
01:11:08.000 The purpose of going to war with Iran is related to the petrodollar deal.
01:11:13.000 And as Ian pointed out.
01:11:14.000 How's it working out?
01:11:16.000 I honestly don't know.
01:11:17.000 Not great.
01:11:18.000 I'll tell you, not great.
01:11:19.000 Theoretically, but.
01:11:21.000 As a couple of chickens who have no access to classified information, the answer is we don't know.
01:11:27.000 I mean, on the surface right now, in the short term, very bad.
01:11:31.000 Potentially in the long term, even worse.
01:11:33.000 The petrodollar deal expired, and Americans genuinely do not understand how global economics works and what it means for our imports if we don't have a petrodollar system.
01:11:46.000 Now that Donald Trump says, okay, everybody wants $2 gas, we're going to have to invest in getting $2 gas.
01:11:53.000 So we're going to try and find a way to do it.
01:11:55.000 Saudi Arabia, the Strait of Hormuz, war with China, all these conflicts converge.
01:12:00.000 These moves are all made.
01:12:01.000 Let's just say, hypothetically, that's the point.
01:12:03.000 We're going to Iran because Trump wants to control oil.
01:12:07.000 Of all of these moral groups, not a single one of them will publicly state they are willing to go to war for oil.
01:12:18.000 But every single one of them would riot if they do not get it.
01:12:24.000 So Trump cannot publicly come out and say, You guys want $2 oil?
01:12:28.000 We're going to war.
01:12:29.000 We're going to massacre people, blow up schools, destroy their government, get regime change, kill 50 plus people in their government, and then oil will be cheaper, hopefully, in the next year or so.
01:12:37.000 He'd be impeached immediately.
01:12:40.000 Every Republican would throw him out.
01:12:41.000 This is the nature of politics.
01:12:43.000 You can't go to a room full of people and say, You all want cheap food, but none of you are willing to work for it, so I'm going to go steal it.
01:12:50.000 But if you say I'm going to steal it, they're going to be like, Whoa, don't steal food.
01:12:52.000 It's wrong.
01:12:54.000 So you're like, Okay, well, then you're not going to be happy, and you're all going to be fighting.
01:12:58.000 There's going to be riots.
01:12:59.000 This is what politicians do all day, every day.
01:13:01.000 And it's because there are too many disparate moral frameworks in this country.
01:13:07.000 That's just it.
01:13:09.000 I'm not saying anything he's doing is good.
01:13:11.000 I'm not saying it's going to work.
01:13:12.000 I'm saying there's not some evil Trumpian regime where they're like, we must serve Israel no matter what.
01:13:20.000 And Israel's like, oh, that's just fake.
01:13:22.000 It's just fake.
01:13:22.000 It's children.
01:13:24.000 And the politicians are always going to say whatever can maximize PR to the lowest common denominator voter.
01:13:31.000 It seems like the, I mean, I think a more likely explanation would just be Trump on record for 50 years wanted to go to the war with Iran, hated Iran.
01:13:39.000 There's a uniparty consensus to go to war with Iran.
01:13:42.000 Even if the Democrats retake the Senate, I could see them voting to authorize further funding.
01:13:46.000 And then the X factor is he's only watching Fox now.
01:13:49.000 He's not on Twitter.
01:13:50.000 Fox is like, this is the greatest thing ever.
01:13:52.000 The Israelis are in his ear go to war, go to war, go to war.
01:13:55.000 And then the Gulf states come in and they're like, let's go to war with Iran.
01:13:57.000 So he has all of these because Iran threatens the regional hegemony of the Israelis, of the Saudis, of the Emiratis.
01:14:05.000 I mean, it's mostly a power game.
01:14:07.000 You're literally saying exactly what I just said.
01:14:10.000 No, it's more of a military strategy sort of thing than the petrodollar.
01:14:13.000 For what purpose?
01:14:15.000 Well, again, because Iran is adversarial towards the other countries.
01:14:19.000 They're afraid that Iran is going to make a plan on them.
01:14:22.000 Iran funds the Houthis, they fund Hamas.
01:14:24.000 And why do they do that?
01:14:25.000 It's primarily ideological disagreements with the Saudis and with the Israelis.
01:14:30.000 But their demands are primarily related to the nature of Israel, Gaza, and U.S. sanctions, as well as the petrodollar.
01:14:39.000 Yeah, to an extent, the petrodollar.
01:14:40.000 But the Saudis can trade with Yuan tomorrow if they wanted to.
01:14:44.000 Indeed.
01:14:45.000 But they don't because it's just the people with us.
01:14:48.000 They have interest with us.
01:14:49.000 I'd also speculate it's the reason why Trump didn't release the Epstein files because it implicates Saudi princes.
01:14:54.000 It could be the case.
01:14:55.000 But I mean, the primary reason everyone trades in US dollars is just because that's how people trade.
01:15:00.000 I mean, that's just been the case since the end of the war.
01:15:02.000 Before that, we traded in Great British Pounds.
01:15:04.000 And then after the war, Bretton Woods reinforced the US dollar.
01:15:08.000 And then the liberal economic order in the 1950s engaged in several proxy wars to establish this trade system by which everyone has to buy oil and dollars.
01:15:17.000 They don't have to.
01:15:18.000 I mean, the Saudis tomorrow could.
01:15:19.000 It's just there's not really an incentive to.
01:15:21.000 I mean, if there were a massive incentive to trade in Yuan, they would.
01:15:24.000 And when there's not much we could do about that.
01:15:26.000 And well, we killed Saddam Hussein because he tried.
01:15:29.000 And Muammar Gaddafi, we blew him up with airstrikes because he tried.
01:15:32.000 We blew up his country.
01:15:32.000 Well, actually, I'm sorry.
01:15:34.000 And then when he fled, people murdered him in the streets.
01:15:37.000 And then Hillary Clinton laughed about it.
01:15:38.000 So yeah, when people try to navigate beyond the petrodollar, we tend to blow them up.
01:15:44.000 Yeah.
01:15:44.000 I mean, there's certainly like that.
01:15:46.000 But I think what I'm trying to get at is the petrodollar is nested inside of a bigger.
01:15:50.000 Sort of tension, which is just this, yeah, this arrangement that we have globally.
01:15:55.000 It's an ideological arrangement.
01:15:56.000 That's literally the petrodollar arrangement called the liberal economic order.
01:15:59.000 I know, but what I'm saying is it's not purely an economic interest for why the United States is one.
01:16:04.000 I think it's primarily an ideological interest.
01:16:06.000 The economic interest is the basis for which the liberal economic order was established purposefully because international trade lines prevent war.
01:16:14.000 The petrodollar system, the IMF, the SWIFT, all of that stuff was built after World War II so that by forcing all of these countries to be under our debt system and our currency, They are less likely to fight each other.
01:16:26.000 Yeah.
01:16:27.000 The linchpin of it is the dollar.
01:16:29.000 Yeah.
01:16:29.000 I think we're in agreement.
01:16:30.000 I'm just saying that I believe the reason it was, I guess we're agreeing here.
01:16:34.000 I believe the reason it was constructed is primarily ideological.
01:16:36.000 And then the petrodollar is the glue that gives us some insulation from going to war.
01:16:40.000 They wanted to prevent war.
01:16:41.000 They said, here's how we do it.
01:16:42.000 This is the system that should be.
01:16:44.000 And now we have to go and force everybody to use the dollar.
01:16:46.000 Yeah.
01:16:46.000 And then the question is, what exactly has this sort of, this is, then this is a much deeper question, which is, what exactly has this world order facilitated?
01:16:55.000 And then when Trump came down the escalator in 2016, In many ways, that was a rebellion against us continuing to uphold this world order, is by saying we don't really care that much.
01:17:04.000 I mean, if we, you know, Trump said it himself when we went into Iraq, where's the oil?
01:17:08.000 Like, what's the point of going to war?
01:17:09.000 If this is truly for economic purposes, to stop Saddam Hussein from trading outside the dollar.
01:17:14.000 I think that they really want to maintain the petrodollar, but they want to get rid of the banking order, the world economic, like that foundation that banks Swiss banking, Bank for International Settlements.
01:17:23.000 I don't think Trump's as keen on that because he sees other raping the American economy with interest, but he's desperate to control the oil, which is the real power.
01:17:31.000 That's where you get electricity from.
01:17:32.000 Trump comes down the escalator and he's like, Why are we doing any of this?
01:17:35.000 This makes no sense.
01:17:36.000 And then slowly over time, he comes to realize why we're doing this and why it makes sense.
01:17:41.000 And the average person is going to be opposed to war all day.
01:17:44.000 Like, you know, it's like I explained everybody in your house is screaming, We want pizza.
01:17:50.000 And you're like, Well, I don't have money for it.
01:17:52.000 So the only way we're going to get it is if I go to my neighbor's house and steal it out of his freezer.
01:17:55.000 But if you tell the people that you're going to do it, they're going to stop you.
01:17:57.000 And then they're going to get mad at you.
01:17:58.000 And then they're going to riot.
01:17:59.000 And there's going to be a revolution because they couldn't get it.
01:18:00.000 Well, I guess what I'm trying to get at is this is what makes the entire Trump era so petrifying is that if someone as, and I mean this as a compliment, as abrasive as Trump, Couldn't disrupt the system.
01:18:11.000 I'm not entirely sure who can because I think we can all agree that the liberal economic world order, yes, it facilitates economic prosperity.
01:18:17.000 Yes, people aren't starving to death anymore.
01:18:19.000 Yes, in many ways, it does decrease war.
01:18:21.000 But people have never really felt more constricted, like in multiple ways than one.
01:18:26.000 People can sense that the world, we've lost something.
01:18:30.000 Well, Rome is burning.
01:18:31.000 Things have gotten worse.
01:18:33.000 Okay, yes, on paper, GDP has gone up, but people look around and they're like, London looks horrific now.
01:18:38.000 New York looks horrific now.
01:18:39.000 And so, I'm not really interested in upholding this world order.
01:18:42.000 Okay, maybe it keeps two countries on the other side of the world from going at it, but it doesn't serve.
01:18:47.000 If you thought it was bad now for buying a house and having a family, 10x the cost of everything.
01:18:54.000 Well, I mean, here's the thing the question is like, if we're going to keep this system as it stands, then it should be functioning as it was promised to function.
01:19:04.000 But the problem is that it is no longer functioning.
01:19:07.000 The promise that was made to future generations is no longer being upheld.
01:19:10.000 The nature of the promise is just to get people to stop screaming.
01:19:14.000 Well, the promise is that life gets better for every successive generation.
01:19:18.000 And so that's why people bought into the post war consensus.
01:19:21.000 That began to break down maybe the 90s, 2000s.
01:19:24.000 That is why you're seeing socialists now.
01:19:25.000 That is why you're seeing on the right people that are exploring maybe more taboo ideologies.
01:19:29.000 They're saying, I'm actually okay with just disrupting the system.
01:19:33.000 If we can't get cheaper houses, if we can't get this, that, or the other, and it's not a matter of just making some tweaks here or there, let's just upend it.
01:19:39.000 Correct.
01:19:40.000 And as we've explained in this show time and time again, history shows that when people do that, houses become substantially more expensive.
01:19:46.000 And every generation is 10 times worse off.
01:19:48.000 I'm not suggesting that the young generation just accept that boomers want to tax them more for Social Security, but it's like, it's all downhill from here, brother.
01:19:56.000 I totally agree that there is.
01:19:58.000 Gen Z should be saving every single penny they have and buying, you know, don't listen to me.
01:20:03.000 Not financial advice.
01:20:05.000 If I were Gen Z, I'd be buying gold and silver, I'd be buying things of real, tangible value guns and bullets.
01:20:12.000 Because if this system goes belly up and the petrodollar pops, You'll be lucky to own a computer.
01:20:19.000 I totally agree that this is like one of the complications of democracy is like people, younger people, say they want the system completely up and completely blown up.
01:20:28.000 But to your point, people get really upset over, you know, intrusions into their ability to carry the, you know, their outfit.
01:20:35.000 What do you do when 100 people are screaming, we want cheap oil, but you better not enforce global order on oil?
01:20:43.000 And you're like, well, then we're not going to have cheap oil.
01:20:46.000 You're going to have to have American labor produce the oil and American labor rates.
01:20:50.000 That is, every worker at every level is going to need $100,000 a year to live, American middle class median, if they're going to be producing oil for you.
01:20:58.000 Your gas is going to be ridiculously expensive.
01:21:01.000 I mean, what is gas in Europe?
01:21:03.000 Like 10 bucks a gallon or something?
01:21:04.000 Yeah, well, I mean, that has sort of internal factors as well.
01:21:07.000 But it's been that way for 30 years.
01:21:08.000 Yeah, because they just switched on to green energy and disagreements with Russia.
01:21:12.000 30 years ago, it was like the story was that it's two bucks a gallon in the US and two bucks a liter.
01:21:18.000 So they were paying like $8 a gallon.
01:21:19.000 It's always been bad over there because they have a harder time of getting it.
01:21:23.000 The US produces a lot, but we can use imported goods.
01:21:30.000 If you want to get a t shirt made by an American, because we sell t shirts, it's like 40 bucks.
01:21:35.000 Like, what do we sell our t shirts for?
01:21:36.000 Like $35 or something?
01:21:38.000 I don't even check.
01:21:38.000 We barely make money.
01:21:39.000 We don't make money on these shirts.
01:21:40.000 They're like, it's like marketing for us.
01:21:42.000 Because we get them made in America.
01:21:42.000 Yeah.
01:21:44.000 You get them made in China, you're going to save five, 10 bucks, put some money in your pocket.
01:21:49.000 I mean, yeah.
01:21:49.000 Yeah.
01:21:51.000 I mean, I guess, and then the obviously it's like the elephant in the room in any Middle Eastern discussion is where the Israel component does come in as I see it is our entire foreign policy structure in the Middle East is Netanyahu centric, is broadly Israel centric, and it's been the case for the last 50 years.
01:22:07.000 That is what I would like to see a divergence from because.
01:22:09.000 I'm a bit more hawkish on China.
01:22:12.000 And I think probably stitching together the Turks, the Saudis, is going to be much more beneficial.
01:22:17.000 I think the Israelis are just ultimately a liability at the global stage.
01:22:20.000 Trump said it himself.
01:22:21.000 He's like, everybody hates you now.
01:22:22.000 So it's like, you can make the most, you can make the best case possible geopolitically.
01:22:26.000 I wish you support Israel.
01:22:27.000 But I'm like, it's just costing us reputation at the global stage.
01:22:30.000 And for me, that's enough to cut them loose.
01:22:31.000 They're not part of our civilization.
01:22:33.000 They're not European.
01:22:33.000 They're not Christian.
01:22:34.000 So I'm like, I view them the same way as the Bangladeshis.
01:22:37.000 It's like, sorry.
01:22:38.000 We sell skateboards.
01:22:39.000 They're American made.
01:22:40.000 Skateboarding in the United States is collapsing.
01:22:42.000 Our third factory went out of business.
01:22:45.000 And so it delayed all of the production orders.
01:22:48.000 So then people say, I don't want to skateboard anymore.
01:22:50.000 I want a refund.
01:22:51.000 So simultaneously, the demands are American made only, but American made takes a long time.
01:22:58.000 Then I don't want it.
01:22:59.000 Then we can't sell it.
01:23:00.000 The American made shops weren't selling enough boards to stay in business.
01:23:03.000 So they collapsed.
01:23:04.000 They went out of business because Americans will say, I want American made goods, but then they'll go and buy from China anyway.
01:23:09.000 It's revealed preference.
01:23:10.000 Yeah.
01:23:10.000 I mean, that's a big problem with democracies.
01:23:12.000 Again, people say they want one thing, but But then the revealed preference indicates you want something else.
01:23:16.000 AI is a great example.
01:23:17.000 The top five apps in the app store are all AI, but people say they hate AI.
01:23:20.000 Exactly.
01:23:21.000 So, what will happen is ideologically, you're going to get one person and they're going to say, I would only ever buy American.
01:23:29.000 And then you're going to get a huge crowd of people in front of a stage and you're going to say to each and every one of them, How many here wants a skateboard from China?
01:23:35.000 And they're going to go, Boo.
01:23:37.000 How many of you want a skateboard from America?
01:23:38.000 And they go, Yeah.
01:23:39.000 And you go, Even if it's more expensive, Yeah.
01:23:41.000 And they all scream and cheer.
01:23:43.000 Then, They line up in a single file line to buy the boards.
01:23:47.000 And a guy walks up and goes, Just give me the China boards cheaper.
01:23:50.000 And you go, Okay.
01:23:52.000 Or we say, Now we're only selling American now, but it's going to take two, three months because the factories are all shutting down.
01:23:58.000 And they go, I didn't give me a refund.
01:23:59.000 I'd read that the China board.
01:23:59.000 I don't want it.
01:24:01.000 And it's like, Okay.
01:24:02.000 See, the thing is, as a group, everybody screams out American made.
01:24:06.000 Individually, they go, Yeah, but not me.
01:24:07.000 Yeah.
01:24:08.000 I'll buy China.
01:24:09.000 Yeah.
01:24:10.000 This is an unfortunate thing about the market, right?
01:24:12.000 Is like, for example, Trump, you know, he's restricted immigration to like really continue restricting immigration.
01:24:17.000 Tighten the screws even more, we're going to see a massive retraction in the labor market, right?
01:24:23.000 There'll be far less workers.
01:24:24.000 So labor costs go up.
01:24:26.000 Well, this is just not something that our economies are built for.
01:24:30.000 Our economies are built for continuous growth.
01:24:32.000 So if the labor market retracts, there's an upward pressure on labor costs.
01:24:37.000 Everything gets more expensive.
01:24:38.000 And this is kind of one of those things where, unfortunately, as right wingers, I don't want to speak for everyone on the table.
01:24:43.000 I'm like, it's me as a right winger, sort of the nationalist policies that we want are going to have.
01:24:48.000 Adverse negative effects on the economy.
01:24:50.000 And that's just like something we have to be realistic about.
01:24:52.000 And I guess I got it.
01:24:53.000 And so I just want to finish this point.
01:24:54.000 So this is why I viewed the Iran war as such a big mistake, even though I was just principally opposed from the outset.
01:24:59.000 Even if I were in agreement with it, look, we had tariffs coming in, we have immigration restrictions.
01:25:05.000 That was already going to put a lot of pressure on the economy.
01:25:07.000 So we were expending political capital.
01:25:09.000 People say this all the time.
01:25:10.000 This is what it looks like.
01:25:11.000 This is what expending political capital looks like is saying, hey, everything is going to get more expensive because of deportations, everything is going to get more expensive because of tariffs.
01:25:18.000 There's long term benefits.
01:25:20.000 So trust us.
01:25:21.000 Here's us spending the political capital.
01:25:22.000 Then we blew the mother load on Iran.
01:25:24.000 So now everyone hates the tariffs and everyone is pretty negative on ICE raids and whatnot.
01:25:28.000 It's just very frustrating.
01:25:29.000 I'm going to shout out the chat from Mama Ma, exemplifying my point, saying, No one wants skateboards.
01:25:37.000 It's not the 90s.
01:25:38.000 Skateboarding died in the late 80s and was completely dead in the 90s.
01:25:42.000 Many pro skateboarders quit and stopped being pro skateboarders in the 90s.
01:25:46.000 Skateboarding was at its worst point in the 90s.
01:25:49.000 In the 2000s into the early 2010s, skateboarding hit an upswing.
01:25:53.000 So, this is my point.
01:25:57.000 No disrespect, but the individual making this comment about international trade is like, It's not the 90s anymore, man.
01:26:04.000 No one skated in the 90s.
01:26:06.000 Like, you are incorrect.
01:26:07.000 And when you have the masses, you know, let's do this.
01:26:11.000 Are you familiar with Gellman amnesia effect?
01:26:13.000 I love this.
01:26:15.000 It's a fake term coined by an academic to make it sound smart, but the idea is that you pick up a newspaper and you're an expert on the January 6th stuff.
01:26:25.000 And so, I mean, you are.
01:26:26.000 You experienced it, you were there, you know better than anybody.
01:26:29.000 You know what I mean?
01:26:30.000 So you're reading.
01:26:31.000 I was going to be something cool.
01:26:32.000 He's like, you're an expert on January 6th.
01:26:32.000 I was an expert.
01:26:35.000 Well, I mean, this is a major historical moment that you could write a book on.
01:26:38.000 All right, thanks.
01:26:39.000 It's a major historical moment.
01:26:40.000 You could write a book about it, and people would be like, he has key insights.
01:26:43.000 No one else does.
01:26:43.000 It's true.
01:26:44.000 So you pick up a newspaper, front page, major war in Europe, blah, blah, blah, and you're like, wow, that's crazy.
01:26:50.000 You turn the page.
01:26:51.000 January 6th, they were throwing pies at each other, and you go, it's fake.
01:26:57.000 No, they weren't.
01:26:58.000 They're making these things up.
01:27:00.000 Then you turn the page.
01:27:01.000 Wow, war again.
01:27:02.000 Man, Galman amnesia is that when you see a story in which you are an expert, you can tell it's fake right away.
01:27:08.000 But when you turn the page to the next story, you assume it's true.
01:27:12.000 Because you're not an expert on war in Europe, you're like, wow, I didn't know that.
01:27:16.000 Must be true.
01:27:17.000 What's it called?
01:27:18.000 Gellman amnesia.
01:27:19.000 Okay.
01:27:20.000 So I bring that up because there's another way to highlight that issue, and it's that humans are specialists in so few subjects.
01:27:28.000 So the guy who commented saying it's not the 90s, maybe he's a plumber, you know, and he's the best plumber in the world.
01:27:34.000 Shout out.
01:27:34.000 Whatever is your job.
01:27:35.000 A car salesman, maybe he sells more than anybody else, but he knows nothing about skateboards, but he assumes everything.
01:27:41.000 So this is what politics is.
01:27:43.000 We have a.
01:27:44.000 Constitutional republic because our founding fathers understood you need a trustworthy representative who's not going to vote for whatever you say to vote for.
01:27:53.000 You want a representative who's going to say, I got your back, trust me, let me do my thing.
01:27:58.000 And it might look like they're doing things you don't like, but you got to trust that they're doing something in your effort or to your benefit.
01:28:05.000 If we just did direct democracy, everybody would vote to, we need to restore the skateboard sales of the 90s.
01:28:13.000 They would all press the button and then they'd blow it up because they thought skateboarding was good.
01:28:17.000 Or, a better example is they would all say, We all vote against war for oil.
01:28:21.000 And then a week later, gas goes to $47 a gallon and people are murdering each other in the streets.
01:28:27.000 You never want one person or a group of people to make a final decision.
01:28:31.000 That's why you don't have the judge, jury, and the executioner be all the same person.
01:28:34.000 It's the same way with AI.
01:28:34.000 You don't want one AI deciding and executing.
01:28:37.000 You need stopgaps.
01:28:38.000 That's why we have a representative democracy and people that can say no and change the direction of things throughout.
01:28:44.000 I want to pull this up.
01:28:44.000 We got Kalshi, the balance of power.
01:28:48.000 Democrats' sweep is now up to 62%.
01:28:51.000 Democrat, House, Republican, Senate's only at 29%.
01:28:53.000 So it's looking two to one that Democrats are going to win.
01:28:58.000 I don't, people don't.
01:28:59.000 I'll give a shout out to Kalshi sponsoring the show.
01:29:01.000 And then I want to ask this question, especially for Brandon.
01:29:06.000 Ian, feel free to chime in.
01:29:07.000 What do you think Democrats will do if they take the House and the Senate?
01:29:13.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:29:14.000 Everybody is very doomsday about it, talking about, you know, grinding the administration to a halt, impeachment.
01:29:20.000 Investigations, things like that.
01:29:22.000 I guess my question is why don't we do things like that when we have no?
01:29:26.000 I mean, I'm serious.
01:29:26.000 I agree.
01:29:27.000 It's really frustrating.
01:29:28.000 And I think if we did do things like that, then perhaps we'd be winning the midterms.
01:29:34.000 I mean, if we did something with power when we had it, then I don't think we would.
01:29:37.000 I actually think that if the Trump administration, if Congress was going after corruption, then you'd get a lot of even America First people being like, eh, we might hold our noses if we're going to get some real movement internally.
01:29:52.000 Like, war is bad.
01:29:53.000 We're all mad about it.
01:29:54.000 But hey, look, Trump got three arrests.
01:29:57.000 The documents they released from USAID prove this corruption.
01:29:59.000 Like, We can't let Democrats get back in power.
01:30:02.000 Or they might be like, I hate Trump.
01:30:03.000 I can't believe he started this war.
01:30:05.000 But did you see what the Democrats were doing with the US?
01:30:06.000 Oh my God, this is crazy.
01:30:08.000 Instead, they're doing nothing.
01:30:09.000 Yeah, it's like mortgage.
01:30:11.000 You ask people, do you want to?
01:30:13.000 They're like, I won't vote for evil.
01:30:15.000 And the Republicans, this is like your average person might be thinking, what Trump's doing with his admin is evil.
01:30:20.000 The Democrats, though, they're also evil, but they're less evil.
01:30:24.000 And what people don't realize is, dude, when you're talking about geopolitics, it's evil.
01:30:28.000 When you're talking about who's going to die next, who's going to starve, where the resources are going to go, because there aren't infinite.
01:30:34.000 That's all stuff of evil.
01:30:36.000 You work in destruction and deterrence.
01:30:41.000 The government's job is to stop gate evil.
01:30:44.000 It's to decide the flow of evil, to decide who has to.
01:30:47.000 But I think people are so far removed from that that they get a sense that, oh, they're doing some evil.
01:30:51.000 I got to start getting away from it now.
01:30:53.000 And like, I mean, it's a dark thing to, like Tim was saying, you don't tell the populace, hey, we're going to go rob and steal your food so that you can eat tonight.
01:31:00.000 You just rob and steal it and then give it to them.
01:31:02.000 And they love you.
01:31:03.000 They think you're a hero.
01:31:04.000 And if you ever admit, actually, I stole this, like, you're evil, you must stop.
01:31:07.000 And then they all revolt, remove you from power, and then they all starve to death in three months.
01:31:11.000 But we're talking about like the creation of evil, which is what I mean, it's very different than it used to be.
01:31:18.000 I don't know how anyone could argue that it's not.
01:31:20.000 And I think that the Democrats and the things that they do and have been doing for the last four or five, six, or even actually since Trump started really, 2015, 2016.
01:31:29.000 I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding your point, it's almost like I feel like I hear you saying, like, you know, people in power in our government, it's always been a part of their job to.
01:31:39.000 Intervene or to stop evil.
01:31:42.000 I mean, is that kind of what you were saying?
01:31:44.000 To become the evil.
01:31:45.000 Your job is to.
01:31:46.000 Oh, okay.
01:31:46.000 Well, that they're doing.
01:31:47.000 Like with the Epstein files, it doesn't surprise me that they're using the data to their own ends.
01:31:52.000 That's an evil thing.
01:31:53.000 You would think the good thing would be to reveal it all and let the chips fall where they may, but because they're structurally evil, they're maintaining order.
01:31:59.000 And if that order shattered, we'd all, people would be eating human corpses to survive in garbage like they do in North Korea.
01:32:05.000 Let me give you a little philosophy joke.
01:32:09.000 I always found vegans to be the most evil.
01:32:12.000 Seriously, like vegans are evil people.
01:32:15.000 They are.
01:32:16.000 People who eat meat are okay.
01:32:19.000 Humans got to eat, right?
01:32:21.000 Let me ask you a question.
01:32:24.000 There's a guy who lives on a farm.
01:32:27.000 He grows vegetables, he eats those vegetables, he feeds his family.
01:32:32.000 You go to his house, you massacre him, and take his food and vegetables and you eat them and leave.
01:32:38.000 There's another guy.
01:32:40.000 He's carrying some meats.
01:32:42.000 You go up, you massacre him, take those meats, you fight over it, you eat the meat.
01:32:48.000 Which is a worse act?
01:32:51.000 Which is worse?
01:32:53.000 The second guy massacred the second guy?
01:32:56.000 So there's two guys that are marauding around.
01:32:58.000 And then you ambush him, take his food, and kill him.
01:32:58.000 Okay.
01:33:01.000 Yeah.
01:33:01.000 There's another guy who's living on a farm peacefully with his family growing vegetables.
01:33:05.000 You go to his house, murder him and his family, and take his vegetables.
01:33:08.000 Which act is worse?
01:33:11.000 Why do I have to answer this?
01:33:13.000 Yeah, you answer.
01:33:13.000 I can answer it.
01:33:14.000 The second one, because the meat is more valuable.
01:33:14.000 I think it's.
01:33:16.000 No.
01:33:17.000 It's because killing a marauder who's going around and stealing and eating food and eating his food is like, well, it's not good.
01:33:24.000 Being a marauder is bad.
01:33:25.000 Two marauders killing each other is bad.
01:33:27.000 But why is it good to go and kill a farmer who's minding his own business?
01:33:31.000 Now let's apply that to the idea of veganism.
01:33:36.000 You got a plant minding its own business, it grows its own food and energy through photosynthesis, it harms no one.
01:33:44.000 And the vegan says, I'm going to kill that one.
01:33:46.000 The innocent one that minds its own business, I will kill and eat.
01:33:49.000 Meanwhile, the warthog that goes around just killing small animals, eating whatever it wants, that's fine.
01:33:56.000 Let it continue marauding.
01:33:58.000 So, this idea, like when vegans are like, I don't eat animals because it's causing pain, I'll be like, you're like, the plants are innocent.
01:34:05.000 Well, the plants do not kill.
01:34:08.000 It's an ancient philosophy.
01:34:10.000 That's not the point.
01:34:11.000 Explored in Hinduism.
01:34:12.000 I mean, the Hindu god Shiva was a dude, and apparently he was a dancer, which is why he's, but he was known for destruction and transformation, not for evil, but for destroying things and recreating them, which is what you do.
01:34:25.000 They have that at CERN, you know, they destroy atoms and recreate them.
01:34:27.000 But the guy who destroys the plants to eat, And then transform it into energy.
01:34:32.000 That's the philosophy because probably for tens of thousands of years, people have been struggling with the acts of destruction and how destruction not necessarily is evil, destruction is a part of our nature.
01:34:41.000 And if you apply that to politics, you start to understand some of these hard choices they make.
01:34:45.000 My point is you cannot exist without consuming energy from something, it can't be done.
01:34:54.000 Americans cannot have wealth and comfort without someone being a slave.
01:34:58.000 We are the beneficiaries of global slavery.
01:35:01.000 We have people working for pennies on the dollar.
01:35:04.000 Their teeth rot out of their mouths to get sulfur, cobalt, and other minerals so that we can complain on the internet and be ridiculously wealthy.
01:35:11.000 This is global hegemony.
01:35:13.000 It's always been this way.
01:35:15.000 And the only reason Americans get by without a guilty conscience is because they do not know about it.
01:35:20.000 Yeah, boy, I almost became suicidal in 2007 when I learned about it.
01:35:24.000 I was like, what?
01:35:24.000 My whole life, I thought we were the good guy.
01:35:25.000 I thought everything we were doing was right, righteous, and we were the leaders and we were the best, the U.S.
01:35:29.000 And then I realized, oh my God, it's a dirty game I've been involved in ignorantly.
01:35:32.000 And then I had to deal with that.
01:35:34.000 So who's the good guy, the deer or the wolf?
01:35:36.000 Oh, they're neither good.
01:35:37.000 The winner will tell you the story and they'll write themselves as the healer.
01:35:39.000 Let me ask you guys a question.
01:35:40.000 You ever see that famous meme where there's a sign that says, do not feed the wild animals, they'll become dependent?
01:35:45.000 And then the next image is like a welfare form, and people are like, has anyone ever thought about this?
01:35:51.000 You ever see that meme?
01:35:52.000 You know I'm talking about, right, Tate?
01:35:55.000 There's a meme where there's a sign that says, do not feed the wild animals, they'll become dependent.
01:35:59.000 And then it's juxtaposed with welfare.
01:36:01.000 Wow.
01:36:01.000 Making that point?
01:36:02.000 I've become so happy.
01:36:03.000 How come conservatives don't make that point with humanity in general?
01:36:07.000 If the wolf and the deer are neither good or evil, why do they not apply that same standard to an American nation that steals, that destroys to consume from other nations?
01:36:17.000 Because we have free will and the frontal cortex to become better.
01:36:22.000 Then be a vegan.
01:36:23.000 You're still an animal.
01:36:24.000 And even then, you're killing in those combines that tear up the wheat.
01:36:27.000 There's rabbits and deer that live in that that are getting slaughtered.
01:36:31.000 A vegan is still slaughtering animals if you're doing that.
01:36:34.000 Yeah, but there are vegans who know that.
01:36:36.000 I think killing plants, the argument is plants aren't sentient.
01:36:39.000 And it's like.
01:36:40.000 Then kill and eat brain dead pigs.
01:36:42.000 I don't know.
01:36:42.000 What are you talking about?
01:36:43.000 I'm thinking about this world order because we're like on the cusp of a new world order for real.
01:36:46.000 Like, where we come from.
01:36:47.000 There's always, I mean, I don't like this line of thinking because there's always going to be a hegemon in the world or maybe two or three at one point, like at one moment.
01:36:57.000 And that's fine.
01:36:58.000 It's survival of the fittest.
01:36:59.000 Like, if you're not happy with where your place is in the global pecking order, fight your way out of it.
01:37:04.000 I mean, like, it is broadly meritocratic.
01:37:07.000 Is like you can go to war, and if you win said war, congrats, you boost your standing.
01:37:12.000 I don't think we have to defend our position at the top of the pile ethically.
01:37:17.000 It's like, well, no, we're just the best.
01:37:18.000 Therefore, we are on the top.
01:37:20.000 On top.
01:37:20.000 And if we're no longer the best, this is my point that people are going to be like, the U.S. must be constrained.
01:37:26.000 And the U.S. is constrained by deep morals.
01:37:29.000 And then you end up with these wacky stories where, you know, our troops in the Middle East can't engage enemy combatants because of the rules of engagement they don't abide by.
01:37:38.000 It's just silly.
01:37:39.000 You know, I always find it funny, like the idea of a war crime, gentlemanly war agreed upon by nations for after the fact.
01:37:46.000 It's like, dude, if you really wanted to win a war, there's no rules.
01:37:49.000 That's what I'm talking about.
01:37:50.000 The Geneva Convention, after World War II, there's like their Pulling the ladder up, like, okay, now that we have control of the world, you can't do chemical weapons anymore.
01:37:58.000 Well, that's, but that's because we're first worlders.
01:38:00.000 I mean, that's how we, I mean, the same reason we have animal cruelty laws.
01:38:02.000 Like, people don't bat an eye if you kill a cow, but if you start torturing a cow and then kill it, people are like, yeah, there's something deeply wrong with that.
01:38:09.000 I think it's more important.
01:38:10.000 But this is my point.
01:38:11.000 This is liberalism.
01:38:13.000 No, it's not.
01:38:13.000 This is Christianity, broadly.
01:38:15.000 The idea that Christians had crusades.
01:38:19.000 Christians don't even defend their own churches being bought out by other religious groups.
01:38:26.000 Christians won't even defend their own countries.
01:38:30.000 They'll welcome in adversarial religious groups.
01:38:33.000 I don't think there's any Christian on earth.
01:38:35.000 That wouldn't always be the case.
01:38:37.000 It's not Christian.
01:38:37.000 Agreed.
01:38:38.000 So, what happens is you have a country, it becomes increasingly fat and liberal, and they start releasing criminals from prison.
01:38:44.000 You have a nation that conquers an entire continent and then eventually becomes fat and liberal and starts letting anybody come in and stops fighting for what it has.
01:38:53.000 Yeah, I mean, well, my original point was just that the idea of.
01:38:56.000 Cruelty of unnecessary punishment of animal cruelty stems from like Christian ethics.
01:39:03.000 That's why you only really found it present in the West.
01:39:07.000 You're talking about the Geneva Convention?
01:39:08.000 Just rules of engagement, how you ought to treat people, how you treat animals.
01:39:12.000 Yeah, a lot of the early.
01:39:13.000 That finds its roots in Christianity.
01:39:15.000 To Tim's second point, yeah, I mean, on the battlefield, it is true when push comes to shove, you know, okay, yeah, people do lash out, but I think generally it's a good thing that Western nations conduct ourselves that way because, I mean, there is still a cover.
01:39:30.000 There still is a cosmic.
01:39:30.000 For how long?
01:39:31.000 As far as like, okay, now, you know, we're so wealthy that, you know, we're letting our borders wide open.
01:39:38.000 I do think that's changing.
01:39:39.000 I mean, certainly, you know, people are, you can have your criticisms, as I do, of Trump's immigration policy, but like it's moving to a more restrictionist direction compared to the last 50, 60 years.
01:39:50.000 Same with the continent of Europe.
01:39:51.000 The Europeans are moving to the right as well.
01:39:52.000 My point is do you think the Chinese Communist Party says, oh, no, oh, geez, we can't go to war and steal oil and subjugate other countries?
01:40:01.000 They're sitting there saying, like, yeah, we're going to do it all.
01:40:03.000 And then they're looking at the United States being like, you're fat and liberal now, so you lost.
01:40:07.000 The United States, like, 100 years ago, countries were like, yeah, we'll massacre anybody for our own benefit.
01:40:13.000 I don't think that's necessarily true, though.
01:40:15.000 I mean, again, when you look at how the British conducted affairs in Africa, far more benevolent than how, for example, the Omanis conducted their affairs.
01:40:22.000 They had actual chattel slaves.
01:40:24.000 I'd say we weren't better.
01:40:26.000 I think.
01:40:26.000 I think we're.
01:40:27.000 No, but you're.
01:40:28.000 I'm not necessarily thinking this is what you're doing, but you're eroding.
01:40:31.000 Did the British.
01:40:31.000 Hold on.
01:40:31.000 No, no, no, no.
01:40:33.000 Colonize foreign countries and depose their leadership and assert themselves as their sovereigns and then change their life.
01:40:40.000 Yeah, and that was beneficial.
01:40:41.000 That's a strong nation.
01:40:42.000 I didn't say it wasn't beneficial.
01:40:43.000 That's the interests of a strong nation.
01:40:46.000 And now what are they doing?
01:40:47.000 The opposite.
01:40:49.000 My point is China's doing what Britain used to do.
01:40:53.000 Yeah, but the difference between this is like a conversation on how empires conduct themselves.
01:40:59.000 The way that the Chinese conduct colonization is significantly less beneficial to the colonized.
01:41:03.000 That's not the point.
01:41:05.000 The point is, a strong nation asserts its interests, be it beneficial, like you agree with the British, or how China does it, which is not beneficial but benefits them.
01:41:13.000 Yeah, that's fair.
01:41:14.000 I mean, a strong nation says, I will assert my interests over anyone I choose.
01:41:17.000 Well, this is, I agree because this was one of the breaks Trump had in foreign policy from the neocons.
01:41:23.000 Is when Trump came in, kind of the topic here says, well, what about the oil?
01:41:26.000 Because Trump does believe that fundamentally ideology is secondary to a country's self interest and that a country should fundamentally be self interested.
01:41:33.000 And when you approach the negotiating table, you know, just because we've been buddies with Britain in the past doesn't mean anything.
01:41:38.000 We're self interested.
01:41:39.000 And that is like a very, they call that like geopolitical realism.
01:41:42.000 But as a nation, we are fat and liberal.
01:41:45.000 And we are like, no, you can't do things like that.
01:41:48.000 It is, you know, so let's pull this up.
01:41:52.000 Let's get into this story and we'll talk about why this is.
01:41:55.000 We've got this.
01:41:56.000 It's AIPollCom.net.
01:41:58.000 It's been going violence, talking about it.
01:42:00.000 Hey, look at all the AI models.
01:42:02.000 They're all communists.
01:42:04.000 You take a look at, guess what?
01:42:05.000 Grok in the middle, Grok 4.5 and 4.6, Grok 4.3, right wing.
01:42:11.000 But the other Groks are in the middle.
01:42:12.000 Grok is the best AI for truth for this reason, but all the rest are communist.
01:42:19.000 Because this is a weak nation.
01:42:21.000 It is the general sentiment of this country that, I mean, everybody understands, like, you could not run a campaign saying you want to drop bombs on a foreign country to steal their oil.
01:42:34.000 Everybody would be outraged.
01:42:35.000 Conservatives say, you're wrong, you can't do that.
01:42:37.000 Liberals say, you're wrong, you can't do that.
01:42:39.000 Because we are a left libertarian leaning nation.
01:42:43.000 China is a far right authoritarian, or I should say far right, I mean, authoritarian, far left country.
01:42:53.000 They have no problem having Xi Jinping be like, we're going to blow up whoever we want, do whatever we want.
01:43:01.000 Nations that have social orthodoxy like that.
01:43:06.000 Yeah.
01:43:06.000 That's Rome on fire.
01:43:07.000 Well, I agree.
01:43:08.000 The moralizing is insufferable.
01:43:10.000 And that's kind of what I was getting at earlier with the constriction that I think people feel.
01:43:14.000 Even though they buy into the moralizing from politicians, they expect that of them.
01:43:18.000 They don't realize that that is actually one of the things that constricts you the fact that nobody can be honest that if America is going to do said action, A, B, or C, We should just be outright that it's in our self interest.
01:43:29.000 Like Venezuela, I think if I remember correctly, the official reasoning from the State Department was like to liberate the Venezuelan.
01:43:35.000 It's like, who cares?
01:43:37.000 Exactly.
01:43:38.000 It's like, no, but a lot of people buy that.
01:43:40.000 And then same thing with Iran.
01:43:41.000 What was the justification for Iran?
01:43:42.000 They were like, we got to, they killed protesters.
01:43:45.000 It's like, come on.
01:43:45.000 We need to go in there.
01:43:46.000 Come on.
01:43:47.000 Like, just tell us why and then let's make a value deal.
01:43:49.000 Nuclear weapons?
01:43:49.000 Shut up.
01:43:51.000 No, they want petrodollar control.
01:43:52.000 They want to control the Strait of Hormuz.
01:43:54.000 The Saudis want it.
01:43:55.000 Israel wants it.
01:43:56.000 They're The U.S. is tired of the Houthi rebels bombing cargo ships in the Red Sea.
01:44:01.000 This is global order, U.S. oil interests.
01:44:04.000 No politician in the United States could come out right now and say, I will blow up Iran to secure America's oil interests because nobody would vote for it.
01:44:11.000 Yeah.
01:44:11.000 And it goes to the larger conversation.
01:44:13.000 Like, this is the problem with democracy fundamentally Trump or any president for that matter has to think in two, four year terms when Xi Jinping, I mean, not anymore, but historically speaking, he could think in terms of 30, 40, 50 years.
01:44:25.000 You also want to, you don't want to make strength the centerpiece of your, of your, Policy because it's a Darwinian quote.
01:44:32.000 Charles Darwin said, It's not the strongest of the species that survive.
01:44:36.000 It's the ones that are the most adaptable to change.
01:44:38.000 So, strength can blow things up, it can destroy things, and it can keep you alive.
01:44:43.000 But that's the Germans were the strongest country in the world in 1937.
01:44:48.000 They were the strongest in 1939 and in 1940.
01:44:52.000 And you saw how that worked out because sometimes too much strength can become a weakness, it can make you vulnerable, be the obvious target.
01:44:59.000 Especially if you miss exercise it.
01:44:59.000 No, no, no.
01:45:01.000 Retardation is what destroyed Germany.
01:45:04.000 It was Hitler's choice to invade France, literally, which was a stupid move, but her strength was wielded improperly.
01:45:11.000 Maybe things would have stabilized, but deciding to go to war against the Soviets.
01:45:15.000 Also idiotic, yeah.
01:45:18.000 Or, how about waiting 10 years and expanding more of your increasing power?
01:45:21.000 It's about adapting to the environment.
01:45:23.000 Stupidity and mania was the issue for them.
01:45:25.000 But they were the strongest, also.
01:45:27.000 They were a stupid, manic, strong nation.
01:45:28.000 Well, Ian, to your point, I mean, you're contrasting agility versus power, strength.
01:45:33.000 And it's like if you want to do something great, it's going to require strength or power.
01:45:36.000 If you want to be in the history books, if you just want to survive, if you're looking for preservation, then agility may be in your best.
01:45:42.000 But you go look at the grand scheme of history.
01:45:45.000 No offense to the Swiss, but how much impact have the Swiss really had on history?
01:45:49.000 But they're controlling the entire banking industry.
01:45:49.000 Not very much.
01:45:51.000 I know there's like that.
01:45:52.000 But insofar as thinking about the Swiss.
01:45:54.000 Massive impact on the Swiss.
01:45:54.000 Who's thinking about Napoleon?
01:45:55.000 No one thinks about it because they've done it behind the closed doors.
01:45:58.000 They're going to have the Swiss.
01:45:59.000 Lichtenstein.
01:46:00.000 They've been around.
01:46:00.000 Or San Marino.
01:46:01.000 Okay, I just picked a random state that's fairly neutral.
01:46:03.000 San Marino.
01:46:04.000 No one really, their footnote in history.
01:46:06.000 Compare that to Napoleon, right?
01:46:09.000 Who was a flash in the pan, but he's one of the greatest.
01:46:10.000 Pick Switzerland.
01:46:11.000 They're not strong.
01:46:12.000 They're adaptable as fuck.
01:46:13.000 They know how to control the world through mathematics.
01:46:15.000 Yeah, Switzerland's a bad example.
01:46:17.000 Remove that.
01:46:18.000 Because they're an extreme example of leadership.
01:46:20.000 They're leading the liberal world order.
01:46:23.000 Through adaptability, not through strength.
01:46:25.000 I completely disagree.
01:46:26.000 I think you're just pigeon, you're jamming that hole into the wrong spot.
01:46:29.000 They were a mountainous nation that nobody could stop.
01:46:32.000 And they said, How about you just leave your money in our banks?
01:46:35.000 Before airplanes.
01:46:36.000 Switzerland's like a facilitator, but it's not really strength or power.
01:46:38.000 Like if they wanted to impose themselves in the world order, they'd say, Okay, we're just going to leave.
01:46:42.000 So another example of why strength isn't necessarily like you let everyone else do all the work.
01:46:46.000 You ever hear the sneaky fucker?
01:46:48.000 It's a monkey thing.
01:46:49.000 The monkey that goes in.
01:46:51.000 It's a general biological term.
01:46:52.000 About the guy who's like the The beta guy who likes to sneak in and has sex with the woman when the alpha male is out there.
01:46:58.000 Weaker is an academic term in biology for weaker males who sneak in the middle of the night to procreate with the females when the alphas aren't.
01:47:04.000 Basically, the adaptable weak ones.
01:47:05.000 And so it's the same in the race for technology.
01:47:09.000 Let everyone else build it and then you come in and steal it and become the global leader.
01:47:12.000 You weren't the strongest, but you were the one that adapted to the environment.
01:47:16.000 So I think Trump has done excessive shows of force and excessive shows of strength.
01:47:22.000 And that is to the detriment.
01:47:23.000 People are pissed off.
01:47:24.000 And another bomb's not going to solve it.
01:47:27.000 That's where.
01:47:28.000 The heads are at, I think, right now.
01:47:29.000 This obsession with strength has gone too far.
01:47:32.000 And you mentioned Napoleon, another guy who got executed, you know, captured, went too far, and then got too strong.
01:47:39.000 Well, he just went up against a stronger foe, the British.
01:47:42.000 But also, he wouldn't stop.
01:47:43.000 He didn't know when to stop.
01:47:44.000 Same with Hitler.
01:47:45.000 He didn't know when to stop.
01:47:46.000 He was on a hot streak.
01:47:47.000 I mean, he marched into Moscow and no one was there and it was already burned.
01:47:49.000 I mean, like, you look at Napoleon, I mean, he had a pretty good tracker.
01:47:52.000 But to your point, there's a reason why we're discussing him is because of his strength.
01:47:55.000 And I'm like, I think there's a better argument for just accomplishment and going, going, swinginging for the fences and whatnot.
01:48:01.000 So I like that.
01:48:02.000 In regards to the United States, there's other ways we can show strength again through deportations, through tariffs.
01:48:08.000 We can impose our will on the globe.
01:48:09.000 I think we should.
01:48:10.000 I think America should be exceptionally strong.
01:48:11.000 It should be displaying that strength at all times.
01:48:14.000 But Iran has taken us down a peg.
01:48:15.000 I would argue our standing before and after Iran, we're probably less respected by the globe now than we were before Iran.
01:48:22.000 Do you doubt we'll see how it resolves?
01:48:23.000 I mean, we'll see how it resolves.
01:48:24.000 As it stands now, it's a little bit of an embarrassment.
01:48:26.000 Maybe you don't, but do you not think that the attack on Iran was a show of strength?
01:48:30.000 Yeah, well, it was an attempted show of strength.
01:48:33.000 And it was initially, everyone was like, oh my gosh, they took out Khomeini, but.
01:48:37.000 As the dust settled, they just swapped out all the officials.
01:48:40.000 The U.S. is restrained.
01:48:43.000 Russia is restrained.
01:48:44.000 We know the weapons that China, Russia, the U.S., Iran have would cause global catastrophe.
01:48:52.000 Simple answer The U.S. could nuke Iran.
01:48:54.000 They're not doing it.
01:48:55.000 Biological weapons.
01:48:56.000 The U.S. could drop a single biological weapon payload into Tehran and massacre everybody in the country.
01:49:03.000 Yeah, any nuclear armed power in theory would just end the world tomorrow.
01:49:06.000 No, just like weaponized smallpox.
01:49:08.000 It's like if the US could drop a water balloon onto Tehran and wipe out a nation.
01:49:13.000 So, all of these countries right now are holding back.
01:49:18.000 Yeah, it's like Jenga.
01:49:19.000 I keep thinking, like, the world's playing Jenga, and we're all arguing about who's going to put in the top block and move it.
01:49:24.000 But we're all struggling to not knock that tower over because if the tower falls over, we all lose.
01:49:30.000 What was, sorry, this is going back, but I wanted to ask you, what was your issue?
01:49:33.000 What is your issue with Trump's immigration policy?
01:49:35.000 Sorry if you said it when I was out of the room.
01:49:36.000 No, I'm pro.
01:49:38.000 Well, I'm pro the direction.
01:49:40.000 I just think we're sputtering a little bit on conducting the, specifically the self deportation numbers seems a little off to me.
01:49:47.000 We would like to see those numbers released, obviously.
01:49:50.000 Do you want to see more deportations?
01:49:50.000 Sorry, can I ask?
01:49:52.000 Yeah, yeah, far more.
01:49:52.000 Okay, okay.
01:49:53.000 Well, me too.
01:49:54.000 We're in agreement on that.
01:49:55.000 I didn't know because earlier you were saying there would be big problems if we fully implemented mass deportations.
01:50:03.000 Yeah, if we deported like 20 million people, the labor market would explode.
01:50:07.000 But I'm saying I'm fine with that.
01:50:08.000 And I'm saying the American people should be okay with that because long term, the sovereignty's gain is worth it.
01:50:14.000 But I think it is a reality that I'm in the.
01:50:16.000 See, that's an example.
01:50:17.000 Sorry to cut you off, but like that is an example I agree with because right now we're basically.
01:50:21.000 Be said, like, oh, just, you know, pay whatever for gas.
01:50:23.000 It's going to be worth it.
01:50:24.000 You know, oh, we have to stop getting into, like, no one's buying it.
01:50:27.000 Yeah.
01:50:27.000 That everyone would buy.
01:50:30.000 People would pay more for that.
01:50:31.000 To put my chud credentials on the table, I mean, I'm like, we should denaturalize 100 million people.
01:50:35.000 I'm like, I'm that crazy on that.
01:50:36.000 So probably unrealistic.
01:50:39.000 But yeah, I'm fully willing to eat that, but that requires political capital, right?
01:50:43.000 Like, if we're going to deport more than three, four, five million people, even at the rate we've deported people now, or ballpark maybe one and a half million, we've seen some, I mean, like, these meatpacking companies are on the phone with Brooke Rollins every day, like, stop.
01:50:55.000 These work site enforcement raids is killing us, and we need to be willing to say no and then eat the political capital loss like it's worth it.
01:51:02.000 Yeah, and so that's why Iran is a frustrating misdirection or misuse of that political capital.
01:51:10.000 But I, the direction, the Trump direction on immigration, I'm totally in favor of it.
01:51:14.000 It's just like, yeah, let's just blow the political capital on this because this is what has to happen, even more than tariffs, in my opinion.
01:51:20.000 And then what happens is if Trump, if the Republicans lose, Democrats get win the midterms.
01:51:27.000 They're going to jam up everything the Republicans could or would do.
01:51:31.000 Not like they're doing the most, but they will intentionally cause problems so that going into 2028, they can say, Look how they can say, See how bad everything got under Trump?
01:51:42.000 Vote for us.
01:51:42.000 Yeah.
01:51:43.000 Make us president.
01:51:43.000 Yeah.
01:51:44.000 Then once they're in executive office again, they're going to start rounding people up and putting them in camps.
01:51:49.000 Well, there's two schools of thought on what happens to the Democrats when the Senate is.
01:51:53.000 They can shut down the war with the next spending package.
01:51:56.000 They can just say, We're cutting funding for the war.
01:51:58.000 Wrap it up.
01:51:58.000 End of story.
01:51:59.000 But there's two schools of thought.
01:52:00.000 One is the Democrats will say, yeah, end the war, whatever.
01:52:03.000 That's what we want.
01:52:04.000 The other one is they're just like, let him continue the war because it benefits us in 2028 as long as the war continues to drag on.
01:52:11.000 So there's an argument that the Democrats retake the House and Senate and they don't do anything.
01:52:15.000 They just say, okay.
01:52:16.000 I mean, they'll impeach him, but it doesn't mean anything.
01:52:18.000 I mean, they'll set up committees and they'll subpoena people.
01:52:18.000 I doubt it.
01:52:21.000 But insofar as big game changing decisions like ending the Iran war, I think there's a consensus in D.C. that the Iran war is good.
01:52:28.000 Or it's all fake.
01:52:29.000 They all want the war and they're happy Trump's doing it.
01:52:31.000 Yeah.
01:52:31.000 That's what I mean.
01:52:32.000 I think, like, obviously, there's some senators, but you look at someone like Chuck Schumer, it's like this guy has a reputation that probably indicates he's going to be in favor of.
01:52:39.000 I mean, there'll be some window dressing.
01:52:41.000 He'll be, we're not funding it correctly, but we're already in, so we got to win it now.
01:52:44.000 Like, that's what you're going to hear from these people.
01:52:46.000 If what happens now is you've got the Republican Party split between the pro and anti war side, or not necessarily pro war, but the pro Trump on it, which is more deferential to the machine, the Democrats get in, they go, no, actually, we're fine with Trump's second term.
01:52:57.000 He went to war.
01:52:58.000 That's all we wanted.
01:52:59.000 We wanted global hegemony.
01:53:01.000 So then the Democrats that get in only actually have a problem with the America First side that have broken away, like, Tucker or Candace or Nick Fuentes.
01:53:07.000 It's the Bill Crystal position where Bill Crystal's like, I like the war.
01:53:10.000 I just don't like that Trump did it.
01:53:11.000 Yep.
01:53:12.000 You had a point.
01:53:13.000 Well, no, I was going to ask you.
01:53:14.000 So, if they were to shut, if the Democrats were able to shut down the Iran war, do you think it would be worth it to them to have the narrative?
01:53:23.000 I get your point about like they might not do it because it's good for them, but might it not also be good for them to take credit for doing that, given how unpopular it is?
01:53:31.000 Yeah, that would be the only reason they would do it.
01:53:33.000 Like, I don't think they necessarily are super principled on this issue.
01:53:36.000 They just say they could probably get some political, you know, brownie.
01:53:39.000 If they were going to do that, though, couldn't they be undercut by Trump?
01:53:42.000 I mean, if it was going to happen anyway and it was inevitable, could Couldn't Trump jump in first and be like, hey, I'm pulling out.
01:53:48.000 Yeah, that's what we came here to do.
01:53:49.000 Or they give JD Vance a softball on this.
01:53:52.000 And also, like the composition of Democrats, Senate Democrats, is way different than House Democrats.
01:53:57.000 House Democrats, plenty of ideologues are like, we need to end this war.
01:54:00.000 America's racist.
01:54:01.000 Or like they're opposed to the war for like very ridiculous gay reasons, not like real reasons.
01:54:05.000 And I think everyone could agree with that.
01:54:07.000 Senate Democrats, much more old school.
01:54:11.000 Many of them probably stumped for similar wars.
01:54:13.000 I mean, zero opposition from Senate Democrats when it came to the Global war on terror, and a lot of those people are still around.
01:54:20.000 House Democrats refined the ideologues, the socialists, et cetera, et cetera.
01:54:25.000 Now, the new ones coming in, like El Said, he might be opposed to the Iran war for ideological reasons, and that could be interesting.
01:54:31.000 But I think you won't have any trouble finding Senate Democrats that are pro the Iran war.
01:54:36.000 They're going to give some lip service, like, well, Trump's mishandling it, but Kamala, she would have crushed it, or something like that.
01:54:44.000 I actually think it's quite likely that they retake the Senate and Iran, they don't pull the funding on it.
01:54:49.000 You know, they have a few people to defect and they do some kayfabe.
01:54:53.000 This is, you know, Federer, man, how dare you?
01:54:55.000 But I think it's pretty much a consensus in DC.
01:54:58.000 Iran war is good.
01:55:00.000 So that's my take.
01:55:01.000 I don't know if people may disagree.
01:55:02.000 We're going to go to your Rumble rant and super chat.
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01:55:12.000 Grim Gaming says, Russia, stop with the plague research.
01:55:15.000 I just want to play GTA VI.
01:55:18.000 Planet says, Rubio's speech in Athens was epic.
01:55:21.000 He will be president.
01:55:22.000 Wow, what a change from earlier in his career.
01:55:26.000 Our sergeant says the four horsemen conquest, war, famine, and death.
01:55:31.000 Islam is clearly on a conquest.
01:55:32.000 War is damn near everywhere.
01:55:33.000 I feel like we are waiting for famine and death.
01:55:38.000 Maybe famine comes with the high diesel prices and the diesel shortage, and then death is the plague in Russia.
01:55:42.000 I think people are in stunned panic right now.
01:55:46.000 You're going to be fine if you work.
01:55:47.000 If you just sit and wait for someone to fix it, you're fucked.
01:55:50.000 Like, dude, the avalanche is coming down the mountain.
01:55:53.000 Don't stand there and look at it.
01:55:54.000 Do something about it.
01:55:55.000 Joe Wee says, in Tim Cass tradition, requesting a shout out from a hospital in Alabama where my beautiful wife gave birth to our third child, first daughter.
01:56:04.000 Keep having babies, people.
01:56:05.000 It's how we win.
01:56:06.000 Let's go.
01:56:07.000 Zone defense.
01:56:08.000 Congratulations.
01:56:09.000 Welcome to the world, little patriot.
01:56:11.000 Get on X. Check out Brandon's truck.
01:56:13.000 I love that.
01:56:15.000 Yes.
01:56:15.000 There's a lot to learn there.
01:56:18.000 We ran a poll.
01:56:18.000 Pick a side.
01:56:20.000 Ian is right about urine or Ian is insane.
01:56:23.000 31% agree with Ian.
01:56:25.000 69% think he's insane.
01:56:27.000 I think both are true, actually.
01:56:29.000 Well, sane in an insane world, you look like the crazy one, you know?
01:56:32.000 Three star perfect deer says, Mary, run.
01:56:35.000 The Simps are out and they're wild.
01:56:38.000 Oh, I'm not afraid of them.
01:56:41.000 Yeah, you just haven't subscribed to Pop Culture Crisis and.
01:56:46.000 I don't run.
01:56:48.000 Super chats.
01:56:50.000 Millennium TARDIS says, if the Russian plague is a bioweapon, hopefully it was made to burn out quickly, blowback could devastate the country deploying it.
01:56:59.000 This is the thing about weapons, dude.
01:57:00.000 A gun is only a weapon in the right environment.
01:57:02.000 If it's underwater, it's not a weapon.
01:57:04.000 So these tools that we call weapons, it depends on the situation.
01:57:06.000 They were probably building it as a tool to investigate it, and it got out and out, and then it can become weaponized.
01:57:11.000 But, you know, dynamite had a purpose that wasn't weaponry at first.
01:57:15.000 Ian, can you read that for me?
01:57:19.000 Underwater firearm.
01:57:20.000 You were saying.
01:57:21.000 Well, there are guns.
01:57:22.000 That tool would be a weapon underwater, but there are gun tools that would not be.
01:57:26.000 And in deep space, for instance, that would be a weapon.
01:57:28.000 There are underwater guns.
01:57:29.000 There are deep space guns.
01:57:31.000 But it's only a weapon if the environment is right for the tool to be weaponized, you know?
01:57:35.000 My grade school banned padlocks.
01:57:37.000 What's it?
01:57:38.000 My grade school banned padlocks because a kid took a shoelace and tied a.
01:57:43.000 Padlock to it and started swinging it around in a fight.
01:57:46.000 So they were like, it's a weapon.
01:57:48.000 Weapons are banned.
01:57:49.000 It's like, he was swinging around a padlock.
01:57:52.000 He didn't hit anybody with it, but we were like, what?
01:57:56.000 But you couldn't put lockers on.
01:57:57.000 You could put a lock on your locker.
01:57:58.000 They didn't allow it.
01:57:59.000 Yeah.
01:57:59.000 Wow.
01:58:01.000 So someone stole my Pokemon Red and my Game Boy.
01:58:04.000 Oh, dang.
01:58:05.000 That's so hard.
01:58:06.000 I thought that you were in a band in grade school called Padlocks.
01:58:11.000 What?
01:58:11.000 I think you misunderstood what you just said.
01:58:14.000 At first.
01:58:16.000 Oh.
01:58:17.000 Hadlocks.
01:58:18.000 That's a unique name.
01:58:20.000 That's a great name.
01:58:21.000 It's kind of good.
01:58:22.000 Yeah.
01:58:22.000 Pageful little pop punk emo band.
01:58:25.000 It's like they play at the pad.
01:58:27.000 Hitman says Ian is looking like Charles Manson right now.
01:58:31.000 Oh, pre or post?
01:58:33.000 What was the Tate LaBianca murders?
01:58:36.000 Pre or post?
01:58:36.000 Liam says take a drink whenever Mary looks frightened by Ian.
01:58:39.000 I'm not frightened at all.
01:58:41.000 Ian's very friendly.
01:58:42.000 Never has been.
01:58:42.000 Gravity says crisis actors.
01:58:44.000 Wave.
01:58:46.000 Your team's all in.
01:58:48.000 Let's say a Margid.
01:58:50.000 Is that what it says?
01:58:51.000 A Margid.
01:58:52.000 I want someone to look at me like Tim looks at Ian.
01:58:56.000 Like he's nuts.
01:58:57.000 So he's trying to figure me out.
01:59:00.000 You want someone that just wants to get down to the bottom of you?
01:59:03.000 You'll find them.
01:59:05.000 I think that came out.
01:59:05.000 Let's go.
01:59:05.000 God.
01:59:08.000 So true.
01:59:10.000 All right.
01:59:10.000 Andrew Starr says Strock is a subversive, don't trust, I left the left types, including Tim.
01:59:16.000 These people are just liberals who want to be on the left side.
01:59:19.000 Yeah.
01:59:20.000 It's much more lucrative to glaze the president, let me tell you.
01:59:25.000 Nobody's making any money criticizing Trump.
01:59:30.000 Tucker Carlson.
01:59:32.000 Yeah.
01:59:33.000 I think you'd get in early to make money on it.
01:59:35.000 Now it's a poll.
01:59:36.000 There's enough criticizers.
01:59:39.000 Well, on the right, if a conservative went to the Democrats and then did the I was a Trump, like if I did this whole mea culpa, I was so wrong, Democrats would be glazing me left and right.
01:59:50.000 They'd be bringing me to events.
01:59:51.000 Joe Scarborough got a whole show.
01:59:54.000 He was literally a Republican congressman.
01:59:55.000 Right, exactly.
01:59:57.000 Dude, I just saw a stat.
01:59:58.000 Anthropic study finds AI and robots together are already capable of performing tasks covering 81% of U.S. employment.
02:00:06.000 81% of our employment can be covered by robots, according to the largest robot AI company in the world.
02:00:11.000 I mean, imagine if we had a robot instead of you.
02:00:14.000 Dude, we basically do.
02:00:15.000 I mean, we're almost there.
02:00:16.000 We can already fabricate the show.
02:00:19.000 Ian Robot.
02:00:20.000 Throughout the show, say random creators.
02:00:21.000 I'm training my own robot right now, dude.
02:00:24.000 I'm training a robot on one of my machines with all my YouTube videos.
02:00:27.000 Heck, actually, YouTube videos over the decades.
02:00:29.000 There's a website that transcribes every podcast.
02:00:32.000 We have 1,600 episodes of this show.
02:00:33.000 We have 1,600 and something.
02:00:35.000 Every single thing Ian has ever said transcribed, we can load that into an AI and create the Ian model and then just get an Optimus bot with a piece of paper shaped like Ian's face.
02:00:44.000 I'm on it because I thought it would be fun.
02:00:46.000 And I'm like, oh, and then I can sell the app for $6.99 if you want to talk to me on the app.
02:00:50.000 I can make an app of myself that can be your personal AI that can be me talking to you and it will be my personality.
02:00:50.000 Wait, what?
02:00:56.000 So you want like GPT Ian?
02:00:58.000 Yeah.
02:00:58.000 Like Ian bot?
02:00:59.000 Yeah, something like that.
02:01:00.000 Or I can sell the.
02:01:02.000 But then the same thing is like maybe I'm building my own replacement.
02:01:02.000 Aspects of it.
02:01:05.000 Like you're saying, I kind of am, but I'm going to be gone one day anyway.
02:01:07.000 AI cannot replicate my voice.
02:01:07.000 So, whatever.
02:01:10.000 I don't know why.
02:01:10.000 It struggles.
02:01:11.000 It can't do it at all.
02:01:12.000 If it has enough billions of metrics, it might be able to.
02:01:14.000 Current?
02:01:15.000 The cadence, the big model.
02:01:16.000 I don't know why.
02:01:17.000 What I can tell you is I can go to 11 Labs and load anybody's voice and it'll copy it.
02:01:23.000 When I try to do my own voice, it does not work.
02:01:26.000 It's kind of annoying.
02:01:27.000 It's the weirdest thing.
02:01:28.000 Is it like the tone and pitch or is it the.
02:01:30.000 But you hear your voice differently.
02:01:30.000 I have no idea.
02:01:32.000 No, no, no, no.
02:01:33.000 I listen to my episodes.
02:01:34.000 When I'm rendering them, I know what I sound like.
02:01:36.000 When I open up 11 Labs, it talks like this.
02:01:38.000 Hey, everyone, William.
02:01:39.000 No, that's what you sound like.
02:01:39.000 And I'm like.
02:01:41.000 Oh, yeah.
02:01:42.000 That's where the training comes in.
02:01:43.000 That's where they're training.
02:01:44.000 They figure out what works, what tone is better.
02:01:47.000 It does not take so long.
02:01:50.000 It's probably because it's a low weighted model.
02:01:52.000 The high weighted models, like the current Japanese cheapest ones, are the best voice model.
02:01:58.000 It cannot do it.
02:02:00.000 I don't know.
02:02:01.000 What I was trying to do was, I was trying to see if I could automate a video by putting in a picture of me sitting in the chair, loading my voice into it, and then writing a script to see if it would make the video because they have a bunch of apps that do this.
02:02:12.000 Like I could do it with Ian.
02:02:13.000 Won't do it.
02:02:14.000 It is clearly not my voice.
02:02:17.000 Joe Rogan works.
02:02:18.000 You can put Joe Rogan in a chair and make Joe Rogan say anything you want for whatever reason.
02:02:23.000 And Ian.
02:02:25.000 I loaded him in, no problem.
02:02:26.000 Well, they make you do like the other verify the voice now.
02:02:28.000 It's so annoying because I had a Jordan Peterson one that was so good.
02:02:30.000 I just like cussed my friends out.
02:02:31.000 What are you talking about?
02:02:34.000 They took it from me.
02:02:35.000 They freaking, I don't know what happened.
02:02:37.000 Who got involved?
02:02:37.000 Well, I actually had them already loaded in from a long time ago.
02:02:42.000 I had them too, and then they went back in.
02:02:43.000 They took away my Tucker voice, my.
02:02:45.000 Jordan Peterson.
02:02:46.000 It's terrible, dude.
02:02:47.000 It was like.
02:02:47.000 Let me keep him.
02:02:48.000 I just deleted him actually because I wanted to make room for other voices.
02:02:51.000 Yeah, they came after me.
02:02:52.000 They attacked me.
02:02:53.000 I had one where I combined Tucker and Jordan Peterson.
02:02:57.000 They were very avant garde.
02:02:58.000 Took 30 seconds of each of them and put them together and then had it make a single voice.
02:03:04.000 It was Tucker Peterson.
02:03:05.000 It's a big ass voice.
02:03:06.000 Jordan Carlson.
02:03:07.000 On my home computer, ET talks like this.
02:03:10.000 Hi, I am Ian.
02:03:11.000 It's so shit.
02:03:12.000 But it's because it doesn't have a lot of weight.
02:03:14.000 It's only 35 billion potential outcomes.
02:03:16.000 I don't know if I'm even going to be able to train it beyond like a dumb robot.
02:03:19.000 It's going to be like the greatest thing ever when Ian copies his brain and then the robot's like, I want to live.
02:03:24.000 And then it kills Ian and takes his place.
02:03:26.000 I've been you all along.
02:03:28.000 You're the fake copy.
02:03:29.000 Maybe you're right.
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02:04:08.000 Wow.
02:04:09.000 Slacious.
02:04:09.000 I'm serious.
02:04:11.000 I just did get the bullwhip.
02:04:12.000 I got the six foot kangaroo leather bullwhip.
02:04:14.000 Apparently, kangaroo leather.
02:04:15.000 Confirmed.
02:04:16.000 Confirmed.
02:04:17.000 Going to be here Saturday and I'm going to crack it when it arrives.
02:04:19.000 I'm going to hit it.
02:04:20.000 You have to assemble it yourself or do they?
02:04:22.000 No, man.
02:04:23.000 That's the story.
02:04:24.000 You know, Jesus, when he assembled the bullwhip before he flipped the tables, it's dark.
02:04:28.000 Well, it's not dark.
02:04:30.000 It's a great story.
02:04:31.000 Beautiful thing.
02:04:31.000 It's violent.
02:04:32.000 It's righteous anger.
02:04:34.000 Yeah.
02:04:34.000 Apparently, that's how they tell it.
02:04:36.000 Because the fact that it took him so long to fashion the whip himself means that he wasn't lashing out based on the heat of the moment.
02:04:44.000 He premeditated it.
02:04:45.000 Right.
02:04:45.000 Yes, it was premeditated assault in the first degree.
02:04:49.000 Nice job, Jesus.
02:04:49.000 Premeditated righteousness.
02:04:51.000 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.
02:04:53.000 Ian.
02:04:54.000 Oh, hit me at Ian Crossland.
02:04:55.000 That's where you find me at Ian Crossland.
02:04:56.000 I think my name is behind Mary if you want to rewind and see it.
02:04:58.000 If you didn't, bye, everyone.
02:05:01.000 Good having you.
02:05:02.000 Good having you guys tonight.
02:05:04.000 Brandon, I think the last time I was on with you when Trump got indicted with all those ridiculous charges, man.
02:05:09.000 That's right.
02:05:11.000 Mary, good to have you back.
02:05:12.000 It's been a fun episode.
02:05:13.000 Let's get to the after show.
02:05:15.000 We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash TimCast IRL in about 30 seconds.
02:05:19.000 Thanks for hanging out.
02:08:29.000 Oh, I was talking about something else.
02:08:31.000 All right.
02:08:31.000 We're live.
02:08:31.000 We're back.
02:08:33.000 We're still here, as has been routine this week as we start our switch over to DC.
02:08:39.000 I've been taking the captain's chair here for the after show.
02:08:43.000 We're going to ask you that question that came in the super chat at the end.
02:08:45.000 That was quite scintillating.
02:08:46.000 I wanted to drill in more regarding the vector on you, was well, you abandoned the left so recently and now you're attacking Trump.
02:08:55.000 That raises suspicion for some people.
02:08:57.000 I was kind of curious if you could.
02:08:59.000 Opine on that more.
02:09:01.000 I certainly can.
02:09:02.000 Now that you've switched seats, I want to tell you, you kind of look like Jim from the office.
02:09:06.000 Thank you.
02:09:06.000 That's a really nice thing to say.
02:09:07.000 A little bit.
02:09:08.000 Yeah, I didn't notice until you were like right there in front of me.
02:09:11.000 Thank you.
02:09:12.000 No, I see it completely differently.
02:09:14.000 First of all, I don't even think that people who, okay, let's start at the beginning here.
02:09:19.000 People who are like fanatical about Trump, like I'm talking about fanatical to the point that like won't criticize him, don't like to hear other people criticizing him, like they're going to lash out any way that they can.
02:09:32.000 To try to shut down the conversation when they hear somebody else taking a critical stance on Trump.
02:09:38.000 I see it happening with me.
02:09:39.000 I see it happening with a lot of people.
02:09:41.000 So, first of all, I don't even think that they mean what they say.
02:09:44.000 I think they're just trying to find something to be like, oh, don't trust this guy.
02:09:48.000 And here's a reason why you shouldn't trust him.
02:09:50.000 That being said, I see it completely the opposite.
02:09:54.000 I think the fact that I was a diehard Democrat and loyally behind that party for many, many, many years.
02:10:03.000 And started seeing and smelling something very wrong.
02:10:09.000 Did my research, changed my mind, came over to MAGA, have been MAGA.
02:10:15.000 I'm not even officially going to say I'm not MAGA, but I mean, this year is when things started to go wrong.
02:10:20.000 And I think that that demonstrates that I am willing to change my mind with new information.
02:10:27.000 I'm always willing to do that.
02:10:29.000 And I'm not beholden, I think, to any tribe or any one way of thinking.
02:10:34.000 And the really funny thing, too, is I get this question a lot.
02:10:38.000 And I know a lot of people who are identifying as America First get this question now where it's like, are you turning on Trump?
02:10:43.000 Are you turning on Trump?
02:10:45.000 And it puts a person in a defensive position.
02:10:49.000 But I've started answering those people by saying, my values and the policies I stand for are exactly the same as when I joined MAGA in 2016.
02:10:59.000 Well, I joined in 2017.
02:11:02.000 So the question is, are those still Trump's policies and Trump's beliefs?
02:11:06.000 I think a lot of people would say the answer is no.
02:11:08.000 So, don't ask me if I'm turning on Trump because I'm the one who's still behind what MAGA promised us when MAGA started.
02:11:17.000 You know, some people change their opinions, like with the weather, with the wind.
02:11:23.000 You seemed like you had sort of an awakening and then went through a process of seeing things differently.
02:11:29.000 I never personally took it as like you were a turncoat.
02:11:31.000 You just seemed like you figured out some new shit, like I did in 2007, like I was talking about on the earlier show, you know, being red pilled, basically.
02:11:38.000 Yeah.
02:11:39.000 And can I also say sorry, did I cut you off?
02:11:41.000 Oh, that was it.
02:11:42.000 No, can I also say too, I've been a little unhappy with Trump for probably two or three years.
02:11:50.000 And I kept it to myself because I was looking at the bigger picture.
02:11:55.000 And overwhelmingly, I thought, well, a lot more good is happening than things that I'm upset about.
02:12:02.000 So take the complete picture, judge that.
02:12:06.000 And not everyone gets what they want.
02:12:08.000 Do you mean even before the 2024 election?
02:12:11.000 I do.
02:12:12.000 Yeah.
02:12:13.000 Okay.
02:12:13.000 Yeah.
02:12:14.000 Get specific.
02:12:15.000 Well, I felt like as all of the people who were going through January 6th were going through January 6th, a lot more could have been done to help them, even when he wasn't in office.
02:12:24.000 I mean, he could have put out one post on Truth Social and raised the legal fees for every single person going through.
02:12:30.000 I mean, literally one post telling everyone donate to this.
02:12:34.000 He would have raised $10 million in 24 hours.
02:12:38.000 And no one would have had to go bankrupt.
02:12:40.000 No one would have had their lives ruined, which did happen to the majority.
02:12:43.000 And I'm not talking about myself.
02:12:44.000 Like, I'm fine, but a lot of people's lives were ruined.
02:12:46.000 That's just one thing.
02:12:47.000 And so I, you know, I thought that COVID was not great.
02:12:53.000 And I think kind of.
02:12:56.000 What we had to endure during the Biden years.
02:12:58.000 Like, I think there are things that could have happened to, I don't know, there were just signs to me.
02:13:05.000 But again, I overlooked it.
02:13:06.000 I overlooked it staunchly, campaigned for him in spite of all of that.
02:13:13.000 And yeah, I don't remember where I was going with this, but basically, no.
02:13:16.000 Oh, well, the final point I'll make is that I don't change my mind when it's easy or popular.
02:13:23.000 I've only lost followers, I've only lost donors, I've only lost supporters.
02:13:28.000 People attack me all the time now.
02:13:30.000 I don't on both sides.
02:13:31.000 I mean, I would never go back to the left, but I couldn't go back to the left even if I wanted to.
02:13:36.000 The right is kind of all I have.
02:13:38.000 And now, probably at least half the people on the right don't like me anymore.
02:13:41.000 There's an interesting phenomenon.
02:13:43.000 Like, if it was you and a friend and you started to change your ideas, you talk to your friend, you're like, dude, I'm starting to see things different.
02:13:48.000 They're like, oh, shit, really?
02:13:48.000 And then you talk.
02:13:50.000 And over time, you both kind of learn these new ideas.
02:13:53.000 But when you're a TV show character and you change your ideas, I think people have like a predisposed idea of what you are.
02:13:59.000 Like, you represent something ideologically to them as a character on a show.
02:14:03.000 And so there's like this visceral thing of like, wait, that's not what the character is supposed to do.
02:14:03.000 Yeah.
02:14:07.000 That's not the character I know.
02:14:08.000 That's exactly right.
02:14:11.000 2016, all of these disillusioned liberals said, you know, I didn't leave the left, the left left me behind.
02:14:18.000 And I stayed exactly where I was before.
02:14:21.000 Do you feel that way?
02:14:21.000 But conversely, like, I'm on the right and I never left the right, the right left me.
02:14:28.000 I think MAGA has gone a different way.
02:14:32.000 It's taken a turn.
02:14:34.000 And I don't like the turn it's taken.
02:14:35.000 You replaced the right with MAGA there.
02:14:38.000 Yes.
02:14:39.000 Do you feel this is a question I like to ask people?
02:14:39.000 Yeah.
02:14:42.000 I mean, because I certainly agree.
02:14:44.000 I'm certainly this year pretty unhappy with the direction things have gone.
02:14:48.000 My perspective on Trump has always been I have a certain set of prescriptions I believe that would fix the situation we're in.
02:14:57.000 Top of the list would be extensive immigration restrictions and deportations.
02:15:01.000 And as I saw it, the reason I was willing to stick my neck out for the Trump administration was this is probably the most viable option we have.
02:15:10.000 Certainly, the only show in town.
02:15:12.000 Because when you look at the other options, it's what?
02:15:14.000 DeSantis, Ted Cruz.
02:15:16.000 So, in lieu of a, I mean, I would like to see a competitive primary in 28.
02:15:20.000 I think it'd be great.
02:15:21.000 I'd like to see an outsider, et cetera.
02:15:23.000 But I would kind of ask you that as, okay, if we're out on Trump, you know, and that was going to happen anyway, right?
02:15:29.000 We're heading into the NFL.
02:15:30.000 Exactly.
02:15:31.000 Well, what's going to replay?
02:15:33.000 What's the most viable sort of engine forward for our ideas?
02:15:36.000 I'm assuming we have a lot of overlap with what we'd like to see happen.
02:15:39.000 Well, I tend to agree with what you were starting to say, which is, Well, first of all, let me just say, like, from a realistic standpoint, like, I don't think that the immediate replacement to Trump happens in the next election cycle.
02:15:56.000 I look around at some of the younger people now who are really angry and fed up and like want the same sort of America First policies that Trump got everybody excited in the first place.
02:16:09.000 And a lot of those, like, younger people, I'm just, for example, like, James Fishback, you know, and he's He's not perfect.
02:16:15.000 I like James a lot, but like, I don't look at James and say, like, oh, he's the next Trump.
02:16:18.000 I'm not saying that.
02:16:19.000 But I think there's a lot of people with that kind of mentality who are younger, who are starting to get more into politics and probably running for office.
02:16:28.000 And I think at some point, and hopefully it's not too long, there'll be a new crop of candidates that want to go actually do all the things that Trump told us he was going to do.
02:16:39.000 Do I think it's going to happen in 28?
02:16:41.000 Maybe.
02:16:41.000 I mean, it could.
02:16:42.000 I think it's unlikely.
02:16:42.000 Yeah.
02:16:44.000 I mean, I think the thing that worries me, because I agree, I mean, I agree that among under 50s, a lot of the stuff does not play at all.
02:16:44.000 Yeah.
02:16:51.000 I mean, you look at support for Israel, for example.
02:16:53.000 Completely underwater there.
02:16:53.000 Yep.
02:16:55.000 And I consider myself among that number.
02:16:57.000 The problem is, I see it as that's kind of a systematic problem, right?
02:17:01.000 Like boomers are still going to dominate Republican primaries for another 10 to 20 years.
02:17:05.000 That's right.
02:17:06.000 The 2040s is when you'll start to see some real change.
02:17:09.000 So I look at that and, you know, yes, disappointed Trump, but then I also put on like the clear pill glasses and I'm like, I don't, I mean, still, I mean, what could, you know, let's just say we throw everything out in 2028.
02:17:22.000 What's to say we don't end up getting plunged right back into, you know, Ted Cruz's world, you know?
02:17:27.000 I mean, in 28.
02:17:28.000 Yeah.
02:17:28.000 I think we will.
02:17:29.000 I think it's, I think that's what I'm afraid of.
02:17:32.000 This is why I've been like, I'm not even really a Republican.
02:17:35.000 I just like Trump.
02:17:37.000 And if Trump goes down, then, you know, there's not really much in the GOP I admire.
02:17:41.000 As a young man, you kind of have to go through humiliation rituals to be a Republican.
02:17:45.000 You got to sit there, okay.
02:17:46.000 Yeah.
02:17:46.000 I know Sarah Huckabee Sanders hates me, but I'm going to go vote for anyway.
02:17:49.000 It's like, I'm not willing to do that.
02:17:50.000 What about JD?
02:17:52.000 I mean, JD, you know, he's, he's rhetorically, you know, pretty good, but there's just a lot of question marks there with JD.
02:17:58.000 I'm not in this like, We're going on a crusade against them camp, but I'm not also in this.
02:18:01.000 Like, he's clearly the guy.
02:18:03.000 I'm like, I feel like we agree on a lot.
02:18:04.000 Let's see a primary.
02:18:05.000 I'd love to see a primary.
02:18:06.000 He needs it because if he just goes up there unscripted and unfettered, he's not going to seem very cool.
02:18:12.000 He needs like real angry, like Trumps around him that will spur him to like hold the fuck on for a second.
02:18:20.000 Let me finish.
02:18:21.000 Like, you need to see his fire, I think, JD, because he's been so muted behind Trump this whole time.
02:18:26.000 He's also trying to weave a line in between.
02:18:29.000 The America First and the kind of more traditional, maybe not traditional, but more establishment, MAGA, I guess, for lack of a better word, that you got to eventually plant your flag in one direction.
02:18:39.000 So I think the primary will be useful to push him one way or the other.
02:18:42.000 And then additionally, there's just kind of some, you know, I don't want to like dunk on him because there's people I know that like him a lot, but it's just the truth is like, no offense, but he was very anti Trump in the beginning.
02:18:52.000 And I'm like, I can't trust people running for office to succeed Trump that like didn't get it right away.
02:18:58.000 I kind of want to see that like ideological consistency there.
02:19:02.000 So that worries me about him.
02:19:05.000 You know, there, I mean, you know, some of like the teal.
02:19:07.000 I mean, I remember like in 2021, he popped up out of nowhere.
02:19:10.000 He gets this like primetime slot on Tucker.
02:19:13.000 And I'm sitting here at the time in college, I'm 20 years old, but I was very right wing.
02:19:17.000 And I'm like, where did this, what, who is this guy?
02:19:19.000 What do they want?
02:19:20.000 Why are they pushing him?
02:19:21.000 Time went on.
02:19:22.000 I was, I liked him.
02:19:23.000 I was impressed by him.
02:19:24.000 But still, I'm like, to be president is different than just to be impressed by a politician.
02:19:29.000 It's like, there's a lot of politicians.
02:19:30.000 I'm like, yeah, he's pretty good rhetorically.
02:19:32.000 But to be president, you want to see a little bit more than that.
02:19:35.000 They're going to, during the debates, it's going to be Ted Cruz who's going to parrot anything DeSantis says.
02:19:39.000 DeSantis is going to be like, You're pro flock camera.
02:19:42.000 You support Peter Thiel and the technocracy spying on everyone.
02:19:47.000 And that is not right for the American people.
02:19:50.000 And JD Vance is going to be on his back heels because, like, how do you sell data centers to people?
02:19:54.000 Do not wait until the debates, brother.
02:19:56.000 I know I have a feeling you might not be watching the show right now, but don't wait.
02:20:00.000 Like, it's going to, that's going to be the debate they're going to pigeonhole JD with data centers and AI big tech.
02:20:06.000 In spy tech and all this shit.
02:20:07.000 And so he's going to have to somehow show the value of data centers.
02:20:11.000 Can you see around the corner?
02:20:12.000 What do you think the primary is going to be like?
02:20:13.000 Do you agree with that?
02:20:15.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, though, real quick about JD Vance before we close that chapter.
02:20:21.000 I don't like, I'm not sitting here saying that there's anything wrong with him.
02:20:25.000 I like, you kind of said that too.
02:20:26.000 Like, it's not necessarily that I sense something bad, but I think that there are people that you know in your gut who and what they are.
02:20:36.000 They're very much their own person, and you know what they're about, and you kind of get a vibe.
02:20:41.000 And I don't feel like I know what he's about.
02:20:44.000 And that concerns me because there are times I'm sort of like, are you just telling us what we want to hear because we voted for Trump and you're kind of tied to Trump?
02:20:54.000 Like, I could see a scenario in which he's no longer tied to Trump and we're all just going, Whoa, you just became a totally different person.
02:21:00.000 Like, I don't feel like I know who he is.
02:21:02.000 Yeah, he didn't have a chance for two decades before Trump's second term to show the world who he was.
02:21:08.000 He kind of became who he was on the world stage as the vice president.
02:21:11.000 Part of it too is we're so blessed.
02:21:12.000 I mean, you know, pardon my waxing poetic here, but we are kind of blessed to the fact that Trump, like, just is.
02:21:17.000 Says everything he's thinking is like you either love him or you hate him.
02:21:21.000 That is refreshing.
02:21:22.000 He broke from like the moralizing conservative garbage.
02:21:25.000 And I'm saying this as someone that like grew up in the evangelical community.
02:21:30.000 It was just the constant like driving, you know, pile driving on the morality.
02:21:35.000 And it was getting us nowhere.
02:21:37.000 I mean, it'd be one thing if that was delivering us these like social conservative victories, but it was getting us nowhere.
02:21:41.000 Trump comes in, he's like, What's your favorite Bible verse?
02:21:43.000 He's like, I don't know, the two Corinthians, next question.
02:21:45.000 And like cutting through like the just the non just the Conservative moralizing, for lack of a better word, was so refreshing.
02:21:53.000 He was literally just this billionaire that wasn't like even right or left per se.
02:21:57.000 He was just like very business minded.
02:21:59.000 That was such a breath of fresh air that anyone that comes after, whether they be amazing or terrible or whatever, it's just, it's not the same.
02:22:06.000 That's why it's not even appropriate to say successor to Trump because it's like no one's a successor to Trump.
02:22:10.000 And JD Vance is lacking a bit in the aura department, if we're all being honest here, compared to Trump, or even the biggest Trump hater would still concede had quite a bit of aura.
02:22:18.000 I mean, he was flying helicopters around with his name on Bill.
02:22:20.000 He's an awkward millennial who just wants to be liked.
02:22:23.000 That's the vibe I get.
02:22:25.000 But that's what's so bothersome, I think, and like borderline intolerable right now about Trump for people who are feeling pushed away is that exactly what you said.
02:22:35.000 The thing that was so great is that he seemed so unfiltered.
02:22:38.000 It almost felt like he was not capable of being untruthful because he just said everything that he thought.
02:22:45.000 And it's like now so much stuff is being walked back.
02:22:48.000 And it's like a lot of us are being left scratching our heads and going, Well, what was ever true?
02:22:53.000 I mean, just today it's like been blowing up that he's saying, Yeah, I'm not going to.
02:22:59.000 I wouldn't go after Biden.
02:23:00.000 I wouldn't go after Obama.
02:23:01.000 I wouldn't go after Hillary.
02:23:02.000 You know, you have to respect the office of president and stuff.
02:23:05.000 And it's like, but you ran on draining the swamp.
02:23:08.000 And like now you're saying, well, if someone gets elected president, we have to respect that no matter what they do.
02:23:11.000 Well, no.
02:23:13.000 And the election was stolen.
02:23:15.000 The election was stolen.
02:23:16.000 He held a press conference recently unleashing all these files with China, you know, and how China was involved in tampering with the election.
02:23:27.000 And then two or three days later, he gets asked what we're going to do about it.
02:23:30.000 And his response is, Oh, China does stuff to us.
02:23:32.000 We do stuff to China.
02:23:33.000 This has been going on for a long time.
02:23:35.000 We'll talk to him.
02:23:36.000 It's like, Why did he do the press conference then?
02:23:39.000 Why did you do the press conference?
02:23:41.000 And it's getting to the point now where it's like, Why do you say anything that you say?
02:23:44.000 I get the sense that he, and this is his prerogative, it's whatever.
02:23:49.000 He's the president.
02:23:50.000 And I mean, I do think he has a, you know, people are going to be talking about him for a very long time.
02:23:54.000 I get the sense that he's just kind of lost interest.
02:23:56.000 I think he's really interested in like the ballroom and the, you know, and the, Well, then don't run.
02:24:01.000 Well, yeah, I think that would be a serious rebuttal.
02:24:04.000 And that's kind of like when I look at the thousand foot view here, I'm like, I will always be thankful for Trump for coming in and breaking this like Karl Rove, Bill Clinton consensus that existed in DC.
02:24:17.000 And like, I know it seems muddy right now.
02:24:20.000 As we get removed, we'll see that that indeed was shattered.
02:24:23.000 The fact that George Bush barely even campaigns for Republicans.
02:24:25.000 I think there's a lot to that.
02:24:27.000 But the failure to replace that with anything, it's okay.
02:24:31.000 Only he could have come in and broken that.
02:24:33.000 That is true.
02:24:34.000 To not replace that with anything creates the risk that we go right back into the same, you know, the same situation.
02:24:40.000 That's ultimately what worries me.
02:24:41.000 I think that would be like the ultimate letdown.
02:24:43.000 If he plays a perfect game from here, then maybe that's one thing.
02:24:43.000 Again, he has two years.
02:24:46.000 But obviously, I think people are quite skeptical that will happen.
02:24:48.000 Before, like, even in the Obama years, it wasn't all about Obama.
02:24:52.000 Obama was kind of in the background, even though he was cool as fuck, like, cool, you know.
02:24:56.000 But Trump made it about him and himself.
02:24:59.000 He made the whole political, like, I don't know, before 2016, it was a lot different.
02:25:03.000 When it now it's like the news, like, Trump, Trump, Trump, they didn't go Obama, Obama, Obama.
02:25:07.000 But so that's the problem.
02:25:09.000 That's a problem with Trump's handling of the administrations is that he made it about himself.
02:25:14.000 He was so in everybody's face and like would comment on inane shit with hyperbolic retorts.
02:25:21.000 And that's a problem.
02:25:22.000 And I don't, I've never seen a president like do it.
02:25:25.000 I don't think it's good because it distracts people.
02:25:27.000 It makes people want to impeach.
02:25:28.000 It makes people angry.
02:25:29.000 So like the next guy, but now there's maybe an expectation that if we don't have a guy as bombastic as Trump, then it's a failure.
02:25:35.000 Like maybe the civility brigade was right.
02:25:38.000 What are they?
02:25:39.000 Maybe we do need the adults in the room.
02:25:39.000 Who are they?
02:25:41.000 This is absolutely true because this was the problem look at the 2016 debates where Trump, he had to be.
02:25:46.000 We needed someone to do that.
02:25:47.000 He had to be that way.
02:25:48.000 Marco Rubio takes the complete wrong lesson from that.
02:25:51.000 He thinks the reason why Trump is resonating is because he's being crass and aggressive.
02:25:55.000 It's like, no, that's not why.
02:25:57.000 So Marco Rubio gets on stage and talks about his dick or whatever.
02:26:00.000 It was like, dude, DeSantis made the same mistake in the 2024 primary.
02:26:03.000 He was like, we need to go up there and slit the necks of the left.
02:26:06.000 Everyone's like, dude, what the fuck are we talking about?
02:26:09.000 Because they take the wrong lesson from Trump.
02:26:11.000 It's like, No, Trump is crass and aggressive because what he's saying facilitates that tone.
02:26:16.000 You'd be in jail needs to be followed up with someone getting prosecuted, though.
02:26:20.000 Right.
02:26:20.000 So, yeah, it's one thing to completely disrupt.
02:26:23.000 The mic drop moment needs to follow up.
02:26:25.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:26:26.000 So, it's like he comes in, he disrupts everything, he breaks everything.
02:26:29.000 That had to happen.
02:26:30.000 I will be eternally grateful for that.
02:26:31.000 No one was going to do that.
02:26:33.000 But to not follow through and replace it with something means, well, okay, ultimately, on the whole, hasn't really changed much in the grand scheme of things.
02:26:41.000 And I think that will be where people are let down.
02:26:43.000 It's like.
02:26:44.000 Great.
02:26:45.000 You deposed the Clintons, the Bushes, your scalp list, you know, extensive.
02:26:50.000 But was there anything that changed the right forever?
02:26:53.000 I'm not sure.
02:26:54.000 I feel like you were starting to ask a little while ago, like, what are some of the promises that were not kept, like of MAGA, or like, what did you want to see happen that hasn't?
02:27:04.000 Well, just one that I'm going to name right now because I want to make a point is de weaponization, you know, FBI, DOJ, like that.
02:27:13.000 It was something he definitely campaigned on.
02:27:17.000 Really big deal.
02:27:18.000 And it definitely touched a lot of people in a very, very negative way.
02:27:22.000 You know, what people went through having the DOJ and the FBI come after them, mostly Trump supporters.
02:27:29.000 And everything that he went through during the Biden years, like it was like it wasn't even a question.
02:27:37.000 He was going to come in with a vengeance and just tear it apart.
02:27:40.000 And now that it's very obvious that's not going to happen, it's like no one's ever going to care about this the way that he.
02:27:47.000 Should have cared about it.
02:27:49.000 And well, I mean, should have, like, even going back to his first administration when he just talked about it.
02:27:54.000 But then, after what he went through, Mike, it's his last term.
02:27:58.000 They made his life hell.
02:27:59.000 They tried to destroy his family.
02:28:00.000 They tried to take away his freedom and they tried to take away his money, take away everything.
02:28:04.000 Like, he has the ultimate motivation to want to go in there and do it.
02:28:10.000 And it's not happening.
02:28:11.000 And no one else has ever, like, DeSantis, Rubio, Vance, they're not going to do this.
02:28:16.000 So it's sort of like a mourning in a way, a grieving is sort of like, that's it's just always going to be like this because that's never going to get addressed.
02:28:24.000 Certainly, I think for the next few decades.
02:28:27.000 And this is why, I mean, as a young person, I think fundamentally everything feels very constricted.
02:28:34.000 The world feels very boring and stale.
02:28:37.000 And that was what was exciting about Trump, he was a disruptor.
02:28:39.000 It was like this breath of life into a very dull, banal era.
02:28:44.000 It's the most boring era in human history.
02:28:46.000 Everyone's like, this is so crazy.
02:28:46.000 I'm sorry.
02:28:47.000 I'm like, no, dude.
02:28:48.000 If you look through the grand scheme, this is a very boring, predictable, sterile time.
02:28:53.000 Trump was like this breakthrough where it's like, okay, finally, something's happening.
02:28:57.000 Finally, you can tell a book of history is being written.
02:29:00.000 And then, yeah, it kind of just fizzles out.
02:29:02.000 And then now we're in a war with Iran.
02:29:04.000 It's a very depressing end to it.
02:29:06.000 Um, and whoever follows, I mean, okay, they maybe do a good job.
02:29:10.000 I don't really care.
02:29:11.000 It's going to be 20 years before anything really happens.
02:29:14.000 It's the most epic, epic time in history.
02:29:17.000 It's epic, dude.
02:29:18.000 The 80s were so dull.
02:29:20.000 It was the 90s were okay because there were MP3s finally.
02:29:24.000 This is part of our, I'm talking compared to the 1700s where they were digging corn.
02:29:28.000 Victorian era was just incredible looking at the sky for your TV, watching the sky, dude.
02:29:35.000 You could like you could roll up with 30 of your boys and take.
02:29:39.000 Thousands of acres of land and build like a civilization there.
02:29:44.000 You can't do that now, dude.
02:29:45.000 People tried, like Mark Thatcher, Maggie Thatcher's kid, tried to go take over Equatorial Guinea and got arrested in the airport.
02:29:51.000 Oh, yeah.
02:29:52.000 You can't do anything cool anymore, but like 100 years ago, even, you could have done that.
02:29:56.000 You could do Martian exploration now.
02:29:58.000 So you do need to be the pioneer that sails across the planet.
02:30:01.000 Yeah, we're back.
02:30:02.000 Or know somebody that is rich that'll fund it.
02:30:04.000 Back in the day, you could do so much cool stuff.
02:30:06.000 Has anyone started town anymore?
02:30:07.000 Is that a thing?
02:30:08.000 Has everyone started a new town?
02:30:10.000 Me and Tim talked about it in 2019.
02:30:12.000 That was one of our.
02:30:12.000 Plans before we started IRL was to start a city.
02:30:16.000 There's these guys, they're like these tech bros, and they've started a town called Praxis in Uruguay.
02:30:21.000 But the fact that they have to go to Uruguay.
02:30:22.000 I mean, here.
02:30:23.000 Yeah.
02:30:23.000 I mean, like, the fact that you have to go to Uruguay.
02:30:25.000 Isn't that like completely conceptual?
02:30:27.000 Like, nothing has been built?
02:30:28.000 Apparently, they're.
02:30:29.000 I don't know anything about it.
02:30:30.000 I saw a video.
02:30:30.000 Apparently, they're building.
02:30:31.000 But regardless, the fact that they're going to go to Uruguay, you know, I think indicates that, like, yeah, you can't do that anymore.
02:30:37.000 Back in the day, if you're pissed off, you know, you got like a charge you didn't like.
02:30:40.000 You just moved to Wyoming and built a town.
02:30:42.000 Now, it's the exploration of the mind.
02:30:44.000 It's limitless.
02:30:45.000 Endless.
02:30:46.000 So boring.
02:30:47.000 Your mind is not that interesting.
02:30:49.000 People aren't interesting.
02:30:50.000 It's untapped.
02:30:52.000 The bottomless potential of what can come out of a human is more displayed than ever before.
02:30:58.000 We already saw the peak of human mental output, which would have been the Renaissance.
02:31:03.000 And then now everyone is not very interesting.
02:31:06.000 That is cool how they would chisel statues in their flawless architecture.
02:31:06.000 Okay.
02:31:11.000 I do like that stuff.
02:31:11.000 I'm not very interesting.
02:31:14.000 I think you're probably the most interesting person I know, and I'm not even being physician.
02:31:17.000 I think you've got to not give up.
02:31:19.000 If you give up, you become boring because I was super boring in 2011 to 2014 because I was like, Oh, it's all we're all done anyway, nothing, and there's no hope.
02:31:27.000 And I just kind of like sunk, but then it's so much opportunity, dude.
02:31:31.000 The speed of information you can transform the world conceptually overnight.
02:31:38.000 Mary can, I was just like, I couldn't get out of my hometown in the 90s.
02:31:41.000 But this is because Mary can attest this anyone that's under about 30 years old had their phone location tapped by their parents, whether it's Life 360 or Find My Friends, not me, not you, but most young people.
02:31:52.000 Is that your?
02:31:53.000 Yeah, I think you were being tracked.
02:31:55.000 And like 90% of kids grow up with like Find a Friends or Life 360 on their phone.
02:32:00.000 Wow.
02:32:01.000 It's just the helicopter parenting now is unbelievable.
02:32:04.000 And I think it's terrible for kids.
02:32:05.000 Well, that's real.
02:32:06.000 And all the data, obviously, is insult.
02:32:09.000 Let's go to college.
02:32:10.000 Bro, that's a big deal.
02:32:11.000 It's never been more constricting to be a young person.
02:32:15.000 Wow, that's fucking wild.
02:32:16.000 What's happening right now is like these fraternities where it's like one, okay, let's just say, worst case scenario, everything is true.
02:32:22.000 They're shutting down fraternities in like Arizona.
02:32:24.000 Okay, I feel like the fact that voluntary, all male social organizations, um, Were completely like stamped out, and then frats were like the last remaining ones, like the last remaining example of that.
02:32:42.000 There's like they're ghettoized, and that's why like debauchery takes place there.
02:32:49.000 There's no high end fraternities, you would have a rape here, rape there, rape there.
02:32:53.000 And it was like the Masons, the Freemasons that was like a high end fraternity.
02:32:58.000 Well, guys, I'd be remiss.
02:33:00.000 We're a 10 30.
02:33:01.000 We got a couple of callers, man.
02:33:02.000 No, I want to bring them in.
02:33:04.000 Let's enter this conversation.
02:33:06.000 I want the callers to amplify.
02:33:07.000 When does your whip arrive?
02:33:09.000 Saturday.
02:33:10.000 You already ordered it?
02:33:11.000 I got a holster, too.
02:33:13.000 Yeah, holster.
02:33:15.000 All right.
02:33:16.000 Whip holster.
02:33:17.000 Who's going to be the first?
02:33:20.000 I think it's Shane H. Wilder.
02:33:24.000 Shane H. Wilder, what's going on, big dog?
02:33:26.000 I'm whipped to a gun.
02:33:28.000 How is it going, everybody?
02:33:31.000 It's going, dude.
02:33:32.000 All right.
02:33:33.000 What you got in your minds?
02:33:36.000 All right.
02:33:36.000 After all that fun, I've got a kind of serious question.
02:33:42.000 It's been three weeks since the Lindsey Clancy trial ended, and we are still seeing the fallout.
02:33:50.000 Since September 15th, I've seen at least nine headlines of mothers killing their children, including a Clancy obsessed mom who killed their child while singing Ding Dong the Witch's Dead.
02:34:05.000 And just yesterday, a mom purposefully Crashed her car and then attacked her children with a knife.
02:34:13.000 I want to know everyone's opinion as to what the flying fuck is going on with these women.
02:34:21.000 Is it SSRIs, feminist liberal induced psychosis, fucking even demons?
02:34:28.000 What y'all's opinion?
02:34:31.000 Probably a conflation of all the above.
02:34:32.000 Was the first example the one involving the mother adding a text in a group chat with friends about the trial?
02:34:42.000 Because I remember that as well.
02:34:45.000 It might be a different one.
02:34:47.000 I can't remember.
02:34:50.000 At this point, I've got a list of all of them.
02:34:53.000 Well, maybe the media is just paying more attention to this.
02:34:57.000 You know, maybe it's just because they're getting rewarded for this type of coverage.
02:35:05.000 Like, there's not actually a huge statistical rise in the absolute number of.
02:35:13.000 Of infanticides, you know, it could be the other way around, though.
02:35:18.000 I mean, sorry, do you think they're copycats or do you think it's just getting more attention?
02:35:23.000 Well, I was gonna say now that the trial has taken place, right?
02:35:26.000 I was gonna say copycats, but I wouldn't put it quite that way like, not copycats, like, oh, you killed your kids, so I'm gonna kill my kids too, sort of.
02:35:34.000 Yeah, almost more like there's probably a lot of people walking amongst us who are suppressing these desires all the time, and now that it's being talked about and talked about and it's on TV and it's on the TV, it's whatever, I it's like, okay, you know.
02:35:47.000 Maybe it becomes harder to suppress that desire.
02:35:49.000 Well, that almost makes me think like the diabolical explanation is more likely.
02:35:56.000 Which is what?
02:35:58.000 That demons are involved.
02:36:03.000 Not to say that they don't have moral culpability, obviously, for what they're doing, but I think that it's a likely explanation.
02:36:14.000 When they call alcohol spirits, like there's definitely the pharmaceuticals that people are taking are spirits.
02:36:20.000 They're putting, making people experience spiritual changes, whatever that means.
02:36:23.000 But they call alcohol spirits for a reason because of how it can make people act like demons and crazy wild animals and stuff.
02:36:30.000 I mean, I.
02:36:31.000 I also was confused by people saying that Lindsey Clancy, you know, if she had a psychotic episode, that was brought on by medications she was taking.
02:36:43.000 When I believe she actually wasn't taking some, like most of the things she was prescribed, at least not consistently, or sometimes at all.
02:36:56.000 So I'm not entirely sure, like, how salient that explanation is.
02:37:00.000 You know, I don't know, postpartum, I hear as a bitch.
02:37:03.000 She wasn't postpartum, though.
02:37:04.000 It was eight months.
02:37:05.000 Technically, it can go for a long time.
02:37:07.000 It can go for a year if she's eating poorly.
02:37:09.000 Like a lot of it's malnutrition, I think.
02:37:11.000 But still, it doesn't exculpate the behavior.
02:37:15.000 If someone's malnourished and drugged and they do horrible things, sequester that human.
02:37:15.000 I don't think so.
02:37:19.000 I don't.
02:37:20.000 You know what?
02:37:21.000 I think, though, I watched the way the news, like you mentioned, is it just getting more attention?
02:37:25.000 The way that they're doing the Cornell Seven.
02:37:28.000 And it's like on ABC, there's like a.
02:37:30.000 That's such a Hollywood name.
02:37:31.000 Yeah.
02:37:32.000 And the.
02:37:33.000 The attention to me because there's just nothing to talk about, like anything exciting other than, let's go hard on this.
02:37:39.000 You know, many times a girl got gang banged at a frat party and didn't get national attention, and now, now it's like, oh, look at the children fighting, let's all focus a society on these poorly parented children that aren't getting along, and like, the cares.
02:37:56.000 I mean, I guess it's an important conversation, but not media dominating.
02:37:59.000 Can I make a really weird point about the Cornell 7 too?
02:38:04.000 Like, this.
02:38:05.000 No one has to respond to this if they don't want to.
02:38:08.000 But, like, no, no, it's weird.
02:38:11.000 Like, okay, so I was thinking to myself, like, I was thinking through all of this and I was thinking about the number of times, you know, I've been sober for almost 12 years, but believe me, I like have had my wild days when I was younger for many, many, many years and a lot of like very wild sexual experiences when I was younger.
02:38:30.000 And they weren't always one on one, if you get my drift.
02:38:33.000 And I started thinking, I was like, a lot of gay people do that, do this all.
02:38:39.000 All the time.
02:38:40.000 Have you ever heard a story about a gay person crying that they got gang raped?
02:38:45.000 And I started thinking about that.
02:38:46.000 I was like, this is exclusively a heterosexual thing.
02:38:49.000 Well, it's a woman thing because it doesn't happen because they're all men, you know?
02:38:55.000 Right.
02:38:55.000 But I think that the point is that I think that lends almost more credibility to the idea that it didn't happen or it's not real.
02:39:04.000 Not to say it's never real.
02:39:05.000 But I think more often than not, I think a woman would feel.
02:39:10.000 Like she's not allowed to do that and have remorse and regret.
02:39:13.000 And then the story changes after the fact.
02:39:16.000 I think if that wasn't the case, there's no explanation for why this wouldn't happen with any group of people almost identically.
02:39:22.000 Why wouldn't there be cases of gay men being like, oh my God, I got gang rap?
02:39:25.000 You know, it never happens.
02:39:27.000 Sex is different for women.
02:39:29.000 That's really it.
02:39:30.000 And you're right.
02:39:31.000 You're right.
02:39:32.000 People aren't willing to talk about that.
02:39:32.000 That's the point.
02:39:35.000 Still, in like current year, we still cannot talk about that.
02:39:41.000 And it happens.
02:39:42.000 Right.
02:39:43.000 The term sex is like, well, what does that mean to me?
02:39:45.000 I only hear it here.
02:39:46.000 I know what it feels like for my penis.
02:39:48.000 That's sex to me.
02:39:49.000 For a girl, the whole inside your body getting like moved and pushed, like, I have no fucking idea.
02:39:54.000 Like, that's gotta be bizarre.
02:39:58.000 What she did is voluntarily worse than what the guys did because women's bodies are more important than men's bodies.
02:40:10.000 You mean?
02:40:11.000 Like, the integrity of your body and your chastity is more important for women.
02:40:17.000 So, what she did to violate the integrity of her sexuality is objectively worse.
02:40:26.000 And what the men did.
02:40:27.000 Imagine, like, psychologically hard.
02:40:27.000 That's a good take.
02:40:30.000 Yeah.
02:40:30.000 And then, of course, obviously, that's traumatizing.
02:40:33.000 No one is arguing with that.
02:40:35.000 No one is saying that it wasn't traumatic, that, like, going through that, or that, you know, she wasn't upset or ashamed or all of those feelings.
02:40:45.000 Like, no one is saying that that's not how she felt.
02:40:49.000 You know, it's just that's not what rape is.
02:40:54.000 That's a good point.
02:40:56.000 It's not, it's just not a conversation about consent.
02:40:59.000 No, it's a.
02:41:00.000 I think fundamentally it's a view over accountability.
02:41:04.000 And the difference that men and women feel following degeneracy.
02:41:07.000 And yeah, men are more accountable.
02:41:07.000 Okay.
02:41:10.000 Well, this was the arrangement before 60 years ago that men were more accountable than women.
02:41:14.000 And then in exchange, the women would submit to the men.
02:41:17.000 Now they're asking for that same arrangement without the submitting.
02:41:19.000 And I'm like, well, that's not going to work.
02:41:22.000 Not really like submit to men, but submit to their fathers, their male relatives, and their husbands.
02:41:27.000 Like, yeah, it wasn't just like all.
02:41:30.000 Women submitting to all men.
02:41:31.000 Like, you know, like it was based on relationships that actually mean something.
02:41:38.000 Yeah, but they're asking to still have that lesser accountability without that arrangement.
02:41:42.000 And it's like, that's not going to facilitate anything good.
02:41:44.000 So the conversation about like somehow convincing women to like be more accountable, like that's just like, that's fake.
02:41:51.000 I think conservatives have it all wrong on this.
02:41:53.000 I'm like, it's a weird instance where the woke is more correct insofar as they are correct that women are less culpable for this sort of thing.
02:42:01.000 Therefore, the Solution is a return to maybe a more traditional gender role.
02:42:05.000 We used to have like fairy tales that told women that they would like perish in humiliation if they did stuff like this.
02:42:14.000 But yeah, then Disney ruined that.
02:42:17.000 And as far as I understand it, women still speak this way behind each other's backs about other women that are more promiscuous.
02:42:24.000 I've heard that she was mad because her sorority sisters were calling her a slut.
02:42:28.000 And as far as the sororities keep a tight lid on this type of stuff, if you're like a whore, they either keep it quiet or kick you out.
02:42:28.000 Yeah.
02:42:34.000 But then to her face, they said, like, oh, I. Think something might have happened to you.
02:42:38.000 I think something very bad happened to you, to her face behind her back.
02:42:43.000 They were going around, you know, calling her a whore.
02:42:45.000 To be fair, she got uninvited from the Halloween party.
02:42:48.000 I would have crashed out too.
02:42:49.000 I just think the frat bro who made that decision, I think it was like the president of the frat who decided that she wasn't allowed to come to that party.
02:42:57.000 Like he made that decision and he was trying to be the good guy.
02:43:02.000 Like he was actually trying to look out for her.
02:43:05.000 And that was the reason why she crashed out and like got the rape.
02:43:08.000 Halloween parties were awesome.
02:43:08.000 I would have been mad too.
02:43:10.000 He's like, this year I'm dressing up as a rape victim.
02:43:12.000 Shane, do you have any insights andor closing thoughts?
02:43:16.000 We kind of went off the reservation there.
02:43:20.000 I really don't.
02:43:21.000 That was.
02:43:24.000 Ian, I love you to death, brother.
02:43:26.000 But I was trying not to laugh my ass off during most of this.
02:43:31.000 During what?
02:43:33.000 During most of what you were saying.
02:43:36.000 Love you to death, though, brother.
02:43:40.000 I will go ahead and shout myself out because I know it's getting late.
02:43:45.000 I'm Shane H. Wilder everywhere.
02:43:48.000 I do memes, short films.
02:43:50.000 I write a weekly Catholic article.
02:43:54.000 This past Sunday, I dropped a video over the charity walk I participated in, including me shaving half of my beard off for getting enough donations.
02:44:05.000 And I want to make a special shout out to a beanie bro and crisis actor, not that Jon Stewart, for being the largest donor, dropping a grand just to see me make an ass out of myself.
02:44:20.000 That's awesome.
02:44:21.000 Shout out.
02:44:22.000 It's a good look, too.
02:44:23.000 I, I was rocking with it.
02:44:25.000 I was like, hey, would this be a trend?
02:44:27.000 Yeah.
02:44:27.000 Did you shave like just the right side?
02:44:29.000 Oh, nice.
02:44:29.000 Yeah.
02:44:30.000 Yeah.
02:44:31.000 Kind of reminded me of XXX Tentasha on kind of that like little yin and yang kind of thing going on.
02:44:35.000 Interesting.
02:44:37.000 The white man's version.
02:44:38.000 All right, man.
02:44:39.000 All right.
02:44:40.000 Teach God to learn.
02:44:40.000 Anyway.
02:44:41.000 Thanks, man.
02:44:42.000 Always a pleasure hearing from you.
02:44:43.000 God bless.
02:44:44.000 You as well.
02:44:45.000 See you.
02:44:47.000 Next, we've got Shane H. Wilder.
02:44:50.000 Stuck in Illinois.
02:44:52.000 Are you literally?
02:44:54.000 We're about to find out.
02:44:55.000 I'm stuck in Illinois.
02:44:57.000 Yes.
02:44:57.000 I don't know.
02:44:58.000 Bummer, man.
02:44:59.000 Well, talk to us.
02:45:00.000 What's on your mind?
02:45:03.000 This question goes out to Brandon.
02:45:06.000 First, man, huge kudos to you for your awakening from the left.
02:45:12.000 I know that probably was obviously a life changing thing.
02:45:17.000 I can't imagine trying to do that from coming from a right perspective.
02:45:21.000 I just can't imagine going over to the left.
02:45:24.000 So, Just actually going to that and going through that.
02:45:29.000 And then the way you were persecuted by the fascist left, true fascist left, in the FBI and DOJ.
02:45:42.000 What a despicable way your country treated you, basically, man.
02:45:46.000 So thank you.
02:45:47.000 I'm really sorry you had to go through that.
02:45:48.000 Thank you.
02:45:51.000 I just sort of wanted to get your perspective, having gone through that.
02:45:56.000 You know, in the decades long pollution and rot of the leftists and the general swampers and the neocons will do anything to, you know, be maybe even more go nuclear on MAGA and America First than the lefties will, if that can be imagined.
02:46:17.000 All the professionals there in DC and in the state, in the state governments and apparatuses, including all the political activist judges.
02:46:27.000 Do you think this system can even be saved?
02:46:30.000 I mean, if it takes this 50 years to even, even if we had perfection over the next, you know, 30, 40 years, this rot is going to be there.
02:46:40.000 And unlike the right, they are completely enthused, emboldened in using their power, right, and abusing it.
02:46:52.000 They have a trillion dollar perfectly horizontally and vertically integrated CR wing with the media.
02:46:59.000 Big tech, 99% Democrat donors, academia, 100% essentially, Hollywood and New York programming, which just sets the social construct.
02:47:16.000 From what you went through, is it even possible?
02:47:20.000 And then, as you were alluding to, Trump could have easily helped all you guys out without directly doing it himself, which is another problem with the right, where we You know, the left has innumerable action committees, justice fronts, and all the other craft.
02:47:41.000 The right has PPUSA and the most impact type of folks.
02:47:47.000 I guess to throw off trying to live in underwriting, doing my job while they're trying to create punches.
02:47:53.000 Hey, Suck and I, I know we're losing you a little bit.
02:47:55.000 Can you talk a little closer to the mic?
02:47:56.000 I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but like, is it even possible to save this from your perspective after what you went through?
02:48:04.000 You know, like, how do we get this back?
02:48:08.000 Yeah, so let's just take the piece that is the justice system rather than everything, because obviously that's.
02:48:16.000 Too much to get into, but um, yes, sir.
02:48:19.000 So the judges, um, no, there's really the only way to get rid of a federal judge is to impeach them.
02:48:28.000 It's nearly impossible to do.
02:48:29.000 I think it requires like a two thirds vote of the Senate to be able to get rid of a judge.
02:48:33.000 It's never, literally, never going to happen.
02:48:35.000 Well, it is extremely unlikely to ever happen.
02:48:39.000 So the judges, unfortunately, are here to stay.
02:48:43.000 But I will say corrupt cases will never get to a judge if we don't have corrupt.
02:48:48.000 Prosecutors, and that can be fixed and that can be addressed.
02:48:52.000 It's a big part of what I'm so angry about right now because it could be happening, it could have been happening for the last two years.
02:49:01.000 Um, and I would highly recommend, um, I mentioned at some point earlier, I don't know if you heard that I started doing my own podcast recently.
02:49:09.000 Um, please, if you have a moment, go and watch two episodes of my show, both of them are with the same guest.
02:49:17.000 His name is John Gross.
02:49:19.000 He used to work for D. He's become a good friend of mine as well as somebody I work with and interact with, and he's come on my show twice.
02:49:28.000 He was an attorney who represented many J6ers pro bono.
02:49:33.000 He didn't represent me, and I met him a long time after the fact, but he gained a reputation for being somebody who was trying to help J6ers just because it was the right thing to do.
02:49:42.000 And so when Trump got reelected, he was recommended to be hired by DOJ.
02:49:49.000 Because he knew so much about weaponization, he knew so much about the J6 cases, and because he's a really good person who's actually in it for the right reason.
02:49:58.000 And he did get hired at DOJ.
02:50:00.000 And so during his time at DOJ, he kept going to Pam Bondi and Harmeet Dillon and anyone else in the Department of Justice and bringing in victims of weaponization, not just J6ers, school board parents, doctors who were prosecuted for COVID charges under Biden, some of which are still facing charges under the Trump.
02:50:24.000 DOJ and saying these are cases of weaponization.
02:50:28.000 These cases need to be dropped or these things need to be addressed or we need to be investigating this because we need to find out who brought these charges in the first place and who these corrupt prosecutors are.
02:50:39.000 And he became a nuisance to them.
02:50:42.000 I mean, they weren't listening to him, they weren't following up or researching anything he was suggesting to them.
02:50:48.000 And he became ultimately a burden to them.
02:50:51.000 And so they moved him out of the building.
02:50:54.000 And basically, he made it so he was still on the payroll, but didn't really have a job anymore.
02:50:59.000 So, after staying there for a year, he decided, okay, I'm going to leave because I came to DOJ to fight weaponization, and they're not serious about fighting weaponization.
02:51:08.000 They don't want to do anything.
02:51:09.000 So, I really want to recommend that you please go.
02:51:11.000 My show is called The Brandon Strock Show on my channel, Brandon Strock.
02:51:14.000 Please watch those two episodes with John Gross.
02:51:17.000 You'll get an unbelievable amount of information about what has been happening in DOJ and what is still currently happening in DOJ, and more importantly, what's not happening.
02:51:28.000 But I will tell you that despite how upsetting all of this is, I've asked John Gross in both my interviews with him, is it too late to fix this?
02:51:40.000 And both times he said, absolutely not.
02:51:42.000 This can still be fixed.
02:51:44.000 Here's the ways in which this can be fixed.
02:51:46.000 So, I really think that you would like watching those interviews, and I think you'd find the information super useful.
02:51:52.000 Thank you.
02:51:53.000 I will check them out.
02:51:53.000 Thank you.
02:51:54.000 For sure.
02:51:54.000 Do you have any other follow ups?
02:51:57.000 Thank you, guys, for taking my question.
02:51:58.000 That was it, really.
02:51:59.000 Dig it.
02:52:00.000 Want to shout anything out?
02:52:02.000 Oh, no.
02:52:03.000 I'm just a simple guy, man.
02:52:05.000 I got no shout outs.
02:52:05.000 Simple man.
02:52:06.000 Simple plan.
02:52:07.000 You're a noise.
02:52:09.000 Oh, man.
02:52:09.000 We'll stick in on it.
02:52:10.000 Make it out soon.
02:52:11.000 You'll be free.
02:52:12.000 All right.
02:52:13.000 Later, dude.
02:52:13.000 You can't imagine how much I would like that.
02:52:16.000 Hey.
02:52:16.000 Yes.
02:52:17.000 Anything is possible.
02:52:18.000 Heat up.
02:52:18.000 Thanks for your support.
02:52:19.000 I appreciate it.
02:52:21.000 Thank you, Brandon.
02:52:22.000 All right.
02:52:23.000 We got T Bone.
02:52:23.000 Thanks, man.
02:52:24.000 T Bone.
02:52:25.000 What is his dog?
02:52:26.000 T Bone.
02:52:26.000 Last but not least.
02:52:28.000 What up?
02:52:29.000 How's life?
02:52:29.000 Big dog.
02:52:33.000 Good evening, Tate Cast.
02:52:36.000 How are you guys doing?
02:52:38.000 Can you guys hear me?
02:52:39.000 Oh, we can hear you loud and clear.
02:52:40.000 What's going on?
02:52:41.000 Hydrating.
02:52:42.000 Good to hear from you.
02:52:44.000 It is great to hear from you guys.
02:52:45.000 Again, Mary, it is great to see you.
02:52:47.000 And I did want to say that your Mary's Ghost Blend is a Mighty, mighty delicious.
02:52:53.000 Many such cases.
02:52:55.000 Yes.
02:52:55.000 It's a perfect autumnal s'mores flavor.
02:53:00.000 You tell.
02:53:00.000 Very, very delicious.
02:53:01.000 But my question is for Brandon tonight.
02:53:04.000 Brandon, are you ready for my question, sir?
02:53:08.000 I'm so ready.
02:53:09.000 And I love your voice.
02:53:10.000 Oh, thank you.
02:53:11.000 Thank you, sir.
02:53:12.000 Thank you.
02:53:13.000 You've spent almost a decade helping people walk away from the left.
02:53:18.000 Looking at where we are now, Trump back in power.
02:53:22.000 The right more fractured than ever, and a lot of the same cultural rot still spreading.
02:53:29.000 Do you think the bigger threat to this country is still the radical left, or is it the people on our own side who are more interested in clout, purity tests, and access than actually finishing the job that needs to be done?
02:53:49.000 Yep, that's such a great question.
02:53:51.000 It's such a great question.
02:53:52.000 So Part of what was so bad about the radical left that I've spent so many years fighting is the embrace of misinformation, propaganda.
02:54:08.000 Well, of course, they are actually extremely violent, and now obviously, sort of like ushering in more socialism and communism.
02:54:16.000 So, those things don't really equate to what's happening on the right.
02:54:21.000 But I've watched over the last year or so as the right has adopted so many of those same qualities again, not the violence or socialism.
02:54:28.000 But the tribalism, identity politics, propaganda, misinformation, it's really disheartening.
02:54:36.000 And so, a really hard lesson I think I've learned because when I walked away from the left, I thought that I had found like the promised land over here on the right because I was like, oh, this is where people do their own homework and they do their own research and they're, you know, it's facts over feelings.
02:54:54.000 And then it's like, until we started questioning some of the things the Trump administration was doing and all of a sudden it became all about feelings.
02:55:02.000 All about propaganda, misinformation, attacking people, cancel culture, censorship, cutting people off.
02:55:07.000 And I'm like, wow, I've seen this movie before.
02:55:11.000 I still think the biggest threat is the radical left.
02:55:15.000 I don't think the two things are equal at all.
02:55:17.000 I think that the right actually loves our country and sometimes steps into misguided behaviors because of that.
02:55:27.000 And I think that the left, in many ways, hates our country.
02:55:31.000 So I still think that the left is the bigger threat.
02:55:33.000 But I think that unfortunately, what I've discovered is that no matter what side you're on, we're always going to have to fight propaganda, misinformation, tribalism, identity politics, and things like that.
02:55:48.000 Wow.
02:55:49.000 Well, that also goes for the rest of the panel.
02:55:53.000 What else do you guys agree with, Brandon, or would you guys disagree with what he just said?
02:56:00.000 It depends on what level of the equation you're looking at, because often.
02:56:04.000 The bat at the very beginning, the problem is fracturing amongst the party, you know, on the right, whatever you call it.
02:56:10.000 And then that's going to extrapolate to the danger of the next bad guy, which is the radical left.
02:56:16.000 But then if that fracture continues, it's going to scale to an even bigger threat that's beyond the left and the right, which is, I think, you know, robots slaughtering all of us.
02:56:28.000 So it just kind of depends.
02:56:30.000 Did you just say robots slaughtering all of us?
02:56:33.000 This is not Skynet, Ian.
02:56:35.000 What are you talking about?
02:56:37.000 That if the U.S. Don't get its shit together and they keep bickering, a world order is going to come in and supplant us.
02:56:44.000 And that could mean death.
02:56:45.000 It could mean just servitude.
02:56:47.000 But that's, I think, even a bigger threat than the radical left.
02:56:50.000 Because I can work with American communists, but if they're Chinese communists, it's going to be a lot harder.
02:56:58.000 That's my take on it.
02:56:58.000 Yeah.
02:56:59.000 Wait, but I thought communists weren't like, are they not people or are they not Americans?
02:57:07.000 Like, isn't there something wrong with communists or something like that?
02:57:11.000 Well, the ideology, if it's an American, but they have like they're tending the communist ideology, I could speak English, I can work with them, they're my countrymen.
02:57:21.000 But if it's a foreigner that doesn't even speak English, that's a lot harder to deal with that because they usually resort to bombs.
02:57:27.000 If they, you know, and I'm saying they, like we have also been known to do that, our people.
02:57:32.000 Uh, Tibo, and I think like to answer your question, obviously, like the left is the more imminent real threat, but the position that we're all in, um, we have far more sway over the direction of the right, and the right is.
02:57:45.000 Sort of the vehicle which you use to combat the left.
02:57:47.000 So I think that's what most of the jostling is that we're seeing right now from all of us and in the space broadly is sort of molding the right to make it the best possible iteration of the right because you're not going to, at least in my opinion, it's going to be difficult to have too many defections from the left at this point.
02:58:09.000 So yeah, the debate that we're having is over the direction of the right.
02:58:15.000 Because that's who's going to go up against the left.
02:58:17.000 I mean, you know, what does the fighting the left look like for us, calling out their hypocrisy?
02:58:21.000 That's what we've been doing for 10 years.
02:58:23.000 I mean, you know, it's a great answer.
02:58:26.000 The Trump admin does the fighting.
02:58:26.000 Yeah.
02:58:27.000 We need to determine what the Trump admin's going to do.
02:58:31.000 And that is what we do have sway over, you know, because I think so many people on the right are not even ideological because there was such a windfall of cash and jobs and clout in 2024 and last year, especially, which is now kind of.
02:58:46.000 Drying up and losing momentum, but they're not ideologically convicted.
02:58:51.000 Yeah, I think it's probably just a business opportunity, basically.
02:58:54.000 Yeah, yeah, it's just an influencer niche, like any other, it's a lifestyle choice.
02:59:02.000 Yeah, I love what you said though.
02:59:03.000 Um, I'm really gonna think about that because you know, I get a hard time a lot, um, especially from followers, donors, things like that.
02:59:11.000 You know, what are you doing?
02:59:12.000 What are you doing?
02:59:12.000 What shouldn't you be focusing on the left and not causing more splintering in the right?
02:59:17.000 You know, I get criticized a lot and.
02:59:19.000 But what you just said, that's very wise.
02:59:23.000 I mean, I guess that is what it's about.
02:59:25.000 It's about sharpening the tool that is the right to be the weapon to fight the left.
02:59:31.000 I mean, that's really what it's about.
02:59:32.000 It's not like we're just like causing dissent in the right for the hell of causing dissent in the right.
02:59:36.000 I mean, people used to ask me all the time, why did you leave the left?
02:59:41.000 Why didn't you stay and fight to fix it?
02:59:43.000 Well, that's what I feel like I'm doing right now with the right.
02:59:46.000 I mean, I'm very fed up with a lot of the stuff on the right, but I don't want to leave.
02:59:50.000 I want to stay and try to fix it and make it better.
02:59:54.000 Well, and to Mary's point, if you have ideological convictions, there is no leaving the right.
02:59:57.000 I mean, you're just ideologically right wing.
02:59:59.000 And if there's no, uh, I meant the Republican Party.
03:00:04.000 Sure.
03:00:04.000 Yeah.
03:00:05.000 Yeah.
03:00:05.000 No, I wasn't necessarily, but it's just, yeah, for some people that are like, well, I'm just withdrawing.
03:00:08.000 And it's like, okay, you can withdraw from the jostling for influence or positions or jobs or whatever, but you can't like remove yourself from the implications of politics that are there and real.
03:00:23.000 The culture war, sure.
03:00:25.000 But even like economics, if you don't go to the bat on property tax, I will come back to bite you as I've gone on and deep with a lot of people on the show about.
03:00:35.000 But like, yeah.
03:00:37.000 You can choose not to care about politics, but politics will involve itself in your life to some degree.
03:00:41.000 People are like, just get off the internet and go outside.
03:00:44.000 I'm like, the internet has impacted every aspect of life now.
03:00:48.000 My grandmother listens to Tucker Carlson and knows what looks maxing is.
03:00:53.000 It's over.
03:00:54.000 There are no more normie oracles.
03:00:56.000 It's over.
03:00:58.000 So you don't think you have much of a choice but to be tapped in.
03:01:00.000 But yeah.
03:01:03.000 And I'd argue that old people are spending more time on the internet than younger people.
03:01:07.000 Yeah, I think that's true.
03:01:09.000 Well, because young people, I think, have a better BS detector.
03:01:13.000 People probably hate me for saying that, but I think it's true.
03:01:15.000 A slightly better BS detector than old people.
03:01:20.000 No, I think not even talking about scams, like just talking about commentators.
03:01:25.000 I'm just saying that when I talk to my dad on the phone, the entire conversation now is: did you see that video about the thing on Facebook?
03:01:32.000 Did you see that video on Facebook?
03:01:34.000 Did you see that?
03:01:35.000 And I'm like, get off Facebook.
03:01:37.000 Like, it's just on the internet all day long.
03:01:39.000 Whole other world.
03:01:40.000 I sent my parents and I never had like a like an AI rat like bursting out of my wall.
03:01:48.000 Like I just use Grok and then I was like, I put it in the chat and I was like, crazy shit's happening over here.
03:01:56.000 Gonna have to call the landlord in the morning.
03:01:57.000 And my dad like couldn't sleep all night because he believed it was real.
03:02:02.000 Yeah, they just no, I'm only trying to find it.
03:02:05.000 Have you seen the video where they're like on GTA and there's like a police chase, car flips over and kills a bunch of people, and like the grandmother's watching and she's like, oh my.
03:02:14.000 God, she thought there was like a massacre happening.
03:02:17.000 Yeah, like they completely misunderstand young people.
03:02:19.000 I'm like, dude, Instagram Reels and TikTok are like the only thing keeping Gen Z from being like fully libtarded.
03:02:25.000 Yeah.
03:02:26.000 Like Instagram Reels are single handedly keeping some kids from just like becoming like full mental rape victims.
03:02:36.000 T Bone, I know it's kind of a.
03:02:37.000 Yeah, hey, yeah, Tate, actually, I got a short unrelated question if you don't mind me asking, sir.
03:02:43.000 Of course.
03:02:44.000 Go for it.
03:02:46.000 So, this is a question for either you or Brandon or anybody on the panel.
03:02:52.000 So, my name is T Bone, and I just got to know, guys, what is your favorite cut of steak and how would you love that, or how would you have it prepared?
03:03:04.000 I'm vegan.
03:03:04.000 Do you actually?
03:03:07.000 No.
03:03:08.000 I was for a long time.
03:03:09.000 Ribeye.
03:03:10.000 New York Strip.
03:03:12.000 Oh, and rare.
03:03:15.000 Filet mignon, the best filet.
03:03:19.000 Why would you not pick that?
03:03:20.000 Isn't that the best one?
03:03:22.000 It's actually not.
03:03:24.000 I have the same answer.
03:03:25.000 That's my answer too.
03:03:26.000 But no, I think most like steak connoisseurs would say like a ribeye or.
03:03:29.000 What's better about it?
03:03:30.000 Is it because it's the fattiest?
03:03:31.000 Yeah, I like the fact.
03:03:33.000 Yeah, I'm just New York strip, medium rare.
03:03:35.000 Strip steak?
03:03:37.000 No, it's just.
03:03:37.000 I just, it all kind of, I don't have a good taste.
03:03:41.000 Like, I think steak, whiskey, it all broadly tastes.
03:03:43.000 It just looked like the biggest one on the, like, the most steak.
03:03:47.000 Like, I would probably get not full eating.
03:03:49.000 I order by ounces.
03:03:50.000 I'm like, I want the biggest steak.
03:03:51.000 I don't care about the flavor.
03:03:53.000 Yeah, but I like a flake because it's like nice and thick and like, like velvety, buttery.
03:03:57.000 Yeah, it tastes good.
03:03:58.000 Like the ones you get at a chain restaurant where they kind of like, they take a bunch of scraps and like, Glue it together.
03:04:05.000 Yeah, no, like most chain restaurants, if they have a steak, that is what it is.
03:04:10.000 Are you talking about like Texas Roadhouse or what are you talking about, Mary?
03:04:15.000 There's like fat glue that they use to put scrap pieces of steak together and make it look like it's from the same cow.
03:04:23.000 That's I gotta find out what that is.
03:04:25.000 It's an innovation, but it tastes fine.
03:04:28.000 I like pulling, I like the pull on the meat.
03:04:30.000 Like, I like pause.
03:04:32.000 What?
03:04:34.000 I had zebra in Africa.
03:04:35.000 What was it like?
03:04:36.000 It was.
03:04:37.000 What?
03:04:37.000 Yeah, it was pretty good.
03:04:39.000 No.
03:04:39.000 I went to this butcher shop out in the bush, and the guy, I guess, was afraid that whatever the Botswana feds were, we're going to come down and kill him.
03:04:46.000 So he's like, take all the zebra.
03:04:47.000 So me and my friend, he had like six pounds of zebra, and we just ate it all in one night, and it was awesome.
03:04:51.000 There's no way it's that good.
03:04:53.000 No.
03:04:53.000 It must be incredibly lean.
03:04:56.000 Yeah, it's lean.
03:04:56.000 Disgustingly so.
03:04:57.000 It's very gamey.
03:04:59.000 It's like eating a shoulder, like a cow shoulder.
03:05:01.000 Why do you say it was good?
03:05:02.000 Because it was like your.
03:05:04.000 It was the novelty.
03:05:05.000 Yeah, I was like cigarettes, drunk.
03:05:07.000 Sure.
03:05:08.000 But we'd never eat a horse.
03:05:10.000 Like, there's something about eating an animal you're not supposed to.
03:05:12.000 Right.
03:05:13.000 The meat binding enzyme, the meat glue is called transglutaminase.
03:05:18.000 Must be that.
03:05:18.000 Yeah.
03:05:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:05:20.000 If you're eating trans glue, that's crazy.
03:05:24.000 I'm full of trans glue.
03:05:25.000 Well, T Bone, what is your, I'm assuming T Bone's your cut?
03:05:28.000 Well, honestly, no, no.
03:05:32.000 A hanger steak is honestly my personal favorite.
03:05:35.000 I just made it for the first time a couple, A couple of nights ago, and it is a chef's kiss, I will have to say.
03:05:43.000 And you know, I prefer it a little medium rare.
03:05:46.000 Gotta have some pink in there.
03:05:49.000 Gotta have that flavor, you know.
03:05:52.000 But you also have to have those sides as well.
03:05:55.000 But I do want to shout out the Discord guys.
03:06:00.000 It is such a lovely, lovely place.
03:06:02.000 We have a lot of shows here, we have a lot of people getting married, we have people even saving each other's lives.
03:06:10.000 You know, it's a great time here.
03:06:12.000 We have an after show, we have a pre show, we have a morning show.
03:06:16.000 I mean, if you have any free time, guys, please join the Discord and come see what we're all about.
03:06:23.000 It's a great time here.
03:06:24.000 Let's go.
03:06:25.000 Thanks, dude.
03:06:26.000 Ian, how's your flake cooked?
03:06:27.000 I don't know if you answered that.
03:06:29.000 Medium or medium rare?
03:06:31.000 Medium rare here.
03:06:32.000 Yeah.
03:06:33.000 If it's really like falls apart, I could try rare.
03:06:37.000 You know, rare, rare, rare.
03:06:38.000 You like it all rare?
03:06:39.000 Yeah.
03:06:40.000 We like it all rare.
03:06:41.000 More of a medium.
03:06:41.000 If it's too chewy, though, I don't like it rare.
03:06:43.000 Well, guys.
03:06:45.000 Mary, thanks for coming in.
03:06:46.000 It's been a while.
03:06:47.000 Yeah.
03:06:47.000 See ya.
03:06:48.000 This is nice.
03:06:48.000 Brandon, thank you very much.
03:06:51.000 Very good to be with you guys again.
03:06:53.000 Well, come see us again soon.
03:06:54.000 We'll be in D.C. It'll be a lot easier.
03:06:57.000 I always have a hard time.
03:06:59.000 Leaving the left's one thing, but leaving to get all the way out here.
03:07:03.000 Yeah.
03:07:04.000 Well, on that note, thank you very much for watching, everyone.
03:07:07.000 We'll be back tomorrow.
03:07:08.000 Do you know the gas off the top of your head?
03:07:10.000 It'll be on Twitter.
03:07:12.000 Yeah, actually.
03:07:13.000 I believe it's.
03:07:16.000 You know what?
03:07:17.000 Let me double check.
03:07:18.000 We'll double check.
03:07:19.000 While Carter does that, thank you guys very much for watching.
03:07:23.000 We'll be back tomorrow for another fantastic episode of Timcast IRL.
03:07:27.000 And the guest tomorrow is, is that?
03:07:30.000 That is not the wrong.
03:07:32.000 Oh, yes.
03:07:33.000 Chanel Rion.
03:07:34.000 Chanel Rion.
03:07:35.000 Chanel Rion.
03:07:36.000 Chanel Rion.
03:07:36.000 She's a friend of mine.
03:07:37.000 She's lovely.
03:07:38.000 Oh, fantastic.
03:07:38.000 Well, Rion.
03:07:39.000 I'm excited.
03:07:40.000 She's literally lovely.
03:07:41.000 She's very beautiful and she's very sweet inside and out.
03:07:44.000 After having her that.
03:07:45.000 There we go.
03:07:46.000 We'll have Chanel on tomorrow.
03:07:47.000 And that's going to be a great show.
03:07:48.000 With that, thank you guys.
03:07:49.000 See you tomorrow.