Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - September 25, 2026


Reports US Will INVADE CUBA, We're Going In | Timcast IRL

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00:01:04.000 The United States is preparing to invade Cuba.
00:01:06.000 Well, they've been preparing to invade Cuba for months now.
00:01:10.000 Cubans have been preparing for an invasion for months now.
00:01:13.000 And this is pretty much why Hassan and a bunch of other leftists went to Cuba in the first place.
00:01:17.000 But now we're getting breaking news.
00:01:18.000 The U.S. is laying military groundwork for an actual invasion, testing whether or not they have the capabilities for a ground war.
00:01:26.000 So it kind of sounds like we'll be taking Cuba, I guess.
00:01:30.000 Now, the question is, are Americans going to tolerate Threats of war, considering the Iran war is dragging out, the midterms are coming up.
00:01:37.000 We'll talk about all of this.
00:01:39.000 Plus, we got a bunch of crazy stories.
00:01:41.000 There's a story trending on X today about a 15 year old black kid who mercilessly beat a nine year old white girl on a school bus.
00:01:49.000 Yeah, it's fake though.
00:01:50.000 The actual story was three years ago, and this is going around by accounts that are from Africa, likely to game X to make money, as it is X creator payday.
00:02:00.000 And the bad news there is that nothing moved.
00:02:02.000 The amount of money being dished out by X is just about the same.
00:02:06.000 Despite the fact they were supposed to have removed a bunch of the fake producers, or it could just be that the original content we produce isn't valuable compared to the commentary I produced before, which would mean X is not a place to post independent video and written content.
00:02:25.000 It was only a place, I guess, to complain about other people and get into fights, but we'll see how the new system plays out.
00:02:33.000 And then we got a crazy story another hazing was captured.
00:02:36.000 A bunch of young guys were locked in a basement covered in ketchup.
00:02:39.000 I guess it's weird.
00:02:41.000 And Bernie Sanders wants to put people like Elon in prison for 20 years over artificial intelligence.
00:02:46.000 So we're going to talk about that.
00:02:47.000 We got a whole bunch going on.
00:02:49.000 We make sure you smash the like button, though.
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00:02:53.000 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Larry Ward.
00:02:57.000 Thanks for having me.
00:02:57.000 This is going to be a fun conversation, particularly talking about Cuba AI, Bernie Sanders, and AOC running for president.
00:03:06.000 AOC running for president, indeed.
00:03:07.000 Yeah, she's talking about it.
00:03:08.000 So who are you?
00:03:09.000 What do you do?
00:03:11.000 Larry Ward with Market Rhythm Inc.
00:03:13.000 We are a marketing tech company that has supported the right for quite a long time.
00:03:19.000 We pretty much paved the path for the parallel economy starting back in 2005.
00:03:26.000 Right on.
00:03:27.000 Well, good to have you.
00:03:28.000 The boys are hanging out.
00:03:28.000 Hello, everyone.
00:03:29.000 I'm here.
00:03:30.000 Just so you know, ketchup is for fries, not guys.
00:03:36.000 So that's a thing.
00:03:37.000 Like, you don't put it on guys.
00:03:39.000 What's up, Carter?
00:03:40.000 Where did that go?
00:03:42.000 Okay, yeah.
00:03:43.000 Tim said that there was a hazing incident where there was a bunch of catch up on guys.
00:03:47.000 It doesn't go on guys, it goes on fries.
00:03:50.000 It's a foot on a guy thing for sure.
00:03:52.000 What's up, Phil?
00:03:53.000 What's up, Tim?
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00:04:27.000 Let's jump into the news.
00:04:28.000 We got this from CBS News.
00:04:30.000 U.S. military lays groundwork for potential action around Cuba.
00:04:34.000 I love how they made it as vague as possible.
00:04:36.000 Potential action around Cuba.
00:04:40.000 They're going to mention that actually they're withholding certain information because it may be detrimental to America, it'll put service members at risk.
00:04:49.000 Basically, what they're saying is they got surgeons, they're checking their field medics, they're checking armaments.
00:04:56.000 They are basically running the full check for the military.
00:05:00.000 Can we go to war with Cuba?
00:05:03.000 Can we have a ground incursion into Cuba?
00:05:06.000 Basically, are our ships capable of doing it?
00:05:08.000 Do we have the military police capable for actually holding an occupation?
00:05:12.000 It looks like this is just the next grain of sand in the heap for the U.S. invading Cuba.
00:05:18.000 But you know what I'll say is we've gotten news throughout the year that the U.S. is preparing for this.
00:05:23.000 What they're doing is they're poking us slowly over and over again.
00:05:27.000 So by the time the invasion happens, we're going to roll our eyes and say, well, yeah.
00:05:30.000 Everybody knew they're not just going to come out and say, I hereby declare war and go in because that would shock too many people.
00:05:37.000 Now I'm wondering why it is they're doing all this right before the midterms.
00:05:40.000 Trump literally could have just waited until after the midterms, literally won.
00:05:44.000 He could have gone to the day of the midterm to declare war and he still would have won.
00:05:49.000 So I know that Ian is particularly excited about spreading democracy and American imperialism.
00:05:55.000 So yeah, when did it become justifiable to invade countries without justification?
00:06:02.000 Without a classification?
00:06:03.000 When did it become justifiable to invade without justification?
00:06:07.000 Afghanistan, I think.
00:06:08.000 Afghanistan was the first time.
00:06:09.000 I don't think so.
00:06:10.000 I think.
00:06:11.000 Panama.
00:06:11.000 Do you mean.
00:06:12.000 Afghanistan, they told us there was Iraq.
00:06:13.000 They said there was.
00:06:14.000 It was Libya, I think, was the first, or was it Syria?
00:06:17.000 Syria, they told us a reason.
00:06:18.000 Libya, they just didn't like Gaddafi.
00:06:20.000 They've had a reason every step of the way.
00:06:21.000 The U.S. didn't invade Libya.
00:06:26.000 U.S. forces and NATO were doing airstrikes and preventing anti air stuff, but the U.S. didn't have, like, military.
00:06:35.000 Just NATO.
00:06:36.000 So, NATO force.
00:06:37.000 I believe it was French.
00:06:38.000 They were using French capabilities.
00:06:40.000 The U.S. didn't have to.
00:06:41.000 They set up Osprey Global Solutions in Libya after they conquered it.
00:06:44.000 The U.S. didn't need aid.
00:06:45.000 Oh, yeah.
00:06:46.000 Different.
00:06:46.000 I'm using the wrong words.
00:06:47.000 It wasn't an invasion and they didn't conquer it.
00:06:50.000 Gaddafi didn't.
00:06:50.000 I mean, words have meaning.
00:06:52.000 Okay, no, no, no, no.
00:06:53.000 It was not conquered because.
00:06:54.000 We came, we saw, he died when Hillary Clinton said that about Gaddafi.
00:06:58.000 Stop.
00:06:58.000 We did not conquer Libya because we killed him and left and it's being run by tribal warlords and it has been since.
00:06:58.000 Who was we?
00:07:05.000 And an invasion means like an invasion where you go in with troops on the ground and hold land.
00:07:10.000 Well, then what would you call the mass immigration if it's not an invasion?
00:07:13.000 Well, I would call it an invasion.
00:07:16.000 What grounds being held and by who?
00:07:18.000 By the people who invaded.
00:07:19.000 You're assuming that you have to go in and hold the territory like by force?
00:07:23.000 That's what the word invasion means.
00:07:24.000 You're going to argue a semantic point here?
00:07:27.000 In.
00:07:27.000 If I'm standing across the street from you and throw a rock at your head and hit you, did I invade your home?
00:07:33.000 With a rock, yeah.
00:07:34.000 No, I didn't.
00:07:35.000 I threw a rock at you.
00:07:36.000 Okay.
00:07:37.000 No one's like, I had a break, someone broke out of my house.
00:07:39.000 Why?
00:07:40.000 I'd say we're being attacked.
00:07:41.000 And then if you set foot on the property, I'd say we're being invaded.
00:07:43.000 Yeah.
00:07:44.000 Right.
00:07:44.000 So when NATO bombed a guy and killed him and tribal warlords took over, we did not invade or conquer Libya.
00:07:50.000 And as far as like when the U.S. is, you know, when it was okay to invade, I mean, we invaded Grenada, we invaded Panama, troops went in, you know.
00:07:58.000 We invaded Hawaii.
00:08:00.000 We did invade Hawaii, I guess.
00:08:01.000 I don't want to blow up Trump's spot here, you know, because this is the same play.
00:08:07.000 That he did with Greenland.
00:08:08.000 We're going to invade Greenland earlier in the year and we're going to take Greenland by military force.
00:08:13.000 No, no, no.
00:08:13.000 And now we wound up with actually a pretty sweet deal in Greenland.
00:08:17.000 We never sent ships to surround, was it Nook?
00:08:17.000 No, no, no.
00:08:20.000 Is that the name of the town in Greenland?
00:08:22.000 We didn't surround them and cut them off from food and gasoline and oil.
00:08:27.000 Trump was just like, we're not.
00:08:29.000 A reporter asked the Trump admin, would they rule out using military action?
00:08:34.000 And they said, we're not going to rule anything out.
00:08:35.000 Why would we?
00:08:37.000 And then the media ran with Trump threatens military action against Greenland, which he did not do.
00:08:41.000 Cuba's been surrounded, sanctioned, embargoed, and cut off from oil, and their power has gone out and their government's in disarray.
00:08:49.000 That's preparing for an invasion.
00:08:51.000 Or it's just putting economic pressure on them.
00:08:53.000 Look, I'd be surprised.
00:08:56.000 Cuba is like, I hate to say it, it's like an ant in terms of, you know, a human going up against an ant in warfare.
00:09:05.000 The United States can go and have taken Cuba anytime it really wanted.
00:09:09.000 All right.
00:09:10.000 Unfortunately, we haven't done so because it's not our place to do so.
00:09:15.000 And I don't think that Trump is going to invade Cuba, particularly not before the midterms.
00:09:21.000 I do think that he's putting pressure on to get a regime change, to get a more U.S. favorable government out of that.
00:09:29.000 And And it's definitely a strategic military location because that's where we had the Cuban missiles.
00:09:37.000 Indeed.
00:09:38.000 But it is an act of war to surround a nation with military vessels and block them from receiving imports.
00:09:44.000 Yeah.
00:09:45.000 I mean, if someone did that to us, yeah, we would see it as an act of war.
00:09:50.000 Absolutely.
00:09:51.000 Well, you know, in almost every historical circumstance, when you blockade an enemy's ports, I think if you fly jets over their country, you're invading them by air.
00:10:01.000 We did invade Libya with air troops, with airplanes.
00:10:04.000 We just didn't put feet on the ground.
00:10:08.000 Technically, if you're firing artillery into a country, you can't.
00:10:09.000 Ian likes arguing semantics.
00:10:11.000 We'll give him that.
00:10:12.000 I mean, if flying jets over somebody's country, it's aggressively.
00:10:15.000 You can't occupy a street corner with invasion.
00:10:17.000 Invasion does not equal occupation.
00:10:19.000 Yeah, invasion implies human beings are invading the airspace.
00:10:23.000 It's a definition.
00:10:25.000 Yeah, I know.
00:10:26.000 And at what point did it become okay without a casus belli for the U.S. to do it?
00:10:29.000 It's never been okay.
00:10:31.000 Every single instance, even today, they always come up with some fake reason.
00:10:34.000 So, you can argue they never needed a reason or they've always faked their reason.
00:10:39.000 Venezuela.
00:10:39.000 They usually fake it since World War II.
00:10:41.000 I haven't even, even Vietnam, they were like, we got to stop cops.
00:10:43.000 Yeah, Venezuela was the inducing of narco terrorists into the United States.
00:10:47.000 Panama and Grenada were both invaded.
00:10:49.000 U.S. forces landed.
00:10:51.000 They had justification, they came up with a justification, but those two were actual invasions.
00:10:57.000 That was in the 80s.
00:10:58.000 No, I got to hand it to one of our Discord members.
00:11:00.000 This is Hrothmagor says, fun is a reason for things sometimes.
00:11:05.000 We're just going to invade Cuba for fun.
00:11:09.000 You know, our troops are getting bored.
00:11:11.000 We got to give them a victory, huh?
00:11:12.000 So let's go take Cuba.
00:11:13.000 We need some victory cigars.
00:11:14.000 I mean, but this is what a lot of European colonists did.
00:11:19.000 They were like, hey, let's go conquer an island.
00:11:21.000 Like, yeah.
00:11:22.000 And they're all excited and happy.
00:11:23.000 And then they do.
00:11:24.000 And they're like, that was great.
00:11:25.000 I think Javier Malay is saying the British, he wants them out of the Falkland Islands because they conquered it in the 80s or early 80s.
00:11:31.000 I don't know when.
00:11:32.000 Conquered.
00:11:33.000 Yeah, the British took the Falklands.
00:11:35.000 I don't know a lot about it.
00:11:37.000 Falklands, thank you.
00:11:40.000 Well, you know, the British invasion.
00:11:42.000 I mean, look at the rock industry in the 60s.
00:11:45.000 I'm not pro Cuban invasion, but you know, if we can get Cuban cigars here, I would be pro Cuban cigars.
00:11:54.000 Not pro Cuban invasion, but pro Cuban cigars.
00:11:57.000 Most of the Cuban cigars are actually grown in Honduras, though.
00:12:00.000 Or now they're really?
00:12:02.000 Yeah.
00:12:03.000 Kind of ready for like total world conquest of just like technocrats, China, America, Russia, just like.
00:12:09.000 Conquer the world and all these ridiculous individuals, these people that these little comps, it's just so exhausting, man.
00:12:19.000 It seems like that's what's happening right now almost.
00:12:21.000 That they just put their brains in machines and make them see each other's point of view and stop killing, just take it all by four.
00:12:27.000 Like, I don't know what you got to do.
00:12:29.000 Invade.
00:12:30.000 It's kind of a black pill look at it to be like, just get it over with because it's never going to be like over with.
00:12:35.000 Well, there's never going to be a situation where like you have total world peace, whether you have.
00:12:42.000 One world government or not.
00:12:44.000 Even if there was one world government, there would be factions fighting against it.
00:12:47.000 There would be revolts.
00:12:49.000 There would be all kinds.
00:12:51.000 There would still be strife because you can't, like, different people from different places have different needs.
00:12:56.000 And one world government can't, you know, satisfy the needs of all the different people in the different places in the world.
00:13:04.000 I think Trump is, the whole Trump doctrine is about isolating the Western hemisphere.
00:13:11.000 I think he wants North and South America to be the United States of America at some point, or all friendly to the United States of America, where he has, you know, where the United States government has complete control over.
00:13:23.000 That's really his focus.
00:13:25.000 That's why Greenland was so important to him because it protects the northern space.
00:13:31.000 It's also why he went and took out.
00:13:33.000 Do you think Greenland has anything to do with the Golden Dome program?
00:13:36.000 Yes, 100%.
00:13:39.000 That's my intuition, too, because everything from basically Asia, anyway, the fastest way to get to the U.S., we go over the North Pole.
00:13:48.000 And so it seems like if they're going to build a missile defense system, You're going to want to have Greenland.
00:13:54.000 I mean, obviously, Alaska is a big part, would be a big part of that too, but you'd need some kind of significant landmass.
00:14:01.000 So, if the U.S. can build, and I'm all for the Golden Dome, right?
00:14:06.000 Like that policy seems, or that project seems like a great policy to me.
00:14:09.000 So, what is it?
00:14:10.000 The Golden Dome.
00:14:11.000 It's basically the Iron Dome, but over the U.S. to intercept antisistema.
00:14:15.000 And Trump named it.
00:14:16.000 That's why it's Gaudi.
00:14:17.000 It's gold.
00:14:17.000 Yeah.
00:14:18.000 That's why he likes gold.
00:14:21.000 So, it's the Golden Dome.
00:14:23.000 Look, if you actually take a look at the map of the Arctic, you know, Strategically, just from above, it makes perfect sense why Greenland was so important militarily.
00:14:34.000 And, you know, quite frankly, I think Trump is trying to create this defensive dome over our country, over our nation.
00:14:41.000 I think we've got this story from CBC.
00:14:44.000 Trump is trying to conquer the West to create the United Nations of America, which is a terrible name.
00:14:52.000 I don't know.
00:14:52.000 Carney's comments over the possibility of U.S. invasion reveal how contingency plans are always in place.
00:14:59.000 The Canadian Prime Minister said that he thinks Trump wants to invade Canada.
00:15:04.000 I know Ian's really been demanding U.S. military action in Canada for years.
00:15:09.000 That's crazy.
00:15:10.000 Yeah, well, I just can't agree with you, Ian.
00:15:13.000 I don't think we should invade Canada.
00:15:14.000 I don't think so either.
00:15:17.000 But the idea that they believe that the U.S. wants to invade Canada, I mean, that's thinking a little highly of themselves.
00:15:27.000 I got to stop you there, Ian.
00:15:31.000 I mean, invading Canada is a terrible idea.
00:15:32.000 But the problem is with the goofy.
00:15:34.000 Rhetoric that joking around about it has tweaked out the boomers in Canada.
00:15:37.000 I really believe it.
00:15:39.000 And they also see the U.S. like erratically preparing to invade Cuba and like throwing their weight around this, attacking here and attacking there and attacking Venezuela.
00:15:47.000 You're never attacking Argentina.
00:15:49.000 And so for Trump to say that it might happen, and then for like, we've joked around about it so many times, and like, I keep being like, guys, stop, stop, stop.
00:15:49.000 Yeah.
00:15:57.000 And then Mark Carney gets elected as a result, and like, you know, he's like, Americans are going to invade Canada.
00:16:03.000 It's never going to happen.
00:16:04.000 I don't know if he ran on that, that we got to defend just in case they're.
00:16:07.000 They might just do it.
00:16:08.000 Should we nuke Canada?
00:16:10.000 I don't think so.
00:16:12.000 The funny thing about this, Canadians get really mad.
00:16:15.000 Like, yeah, they do.
00:16:17.000 The joke I was just making about Ian wanting to invade Canada, they're not actually going to investigate.
00:16:21.000 It's kind of like he's going to get a bunch of boomer angry comments on X being like, Ian, you're crazy.
00:16:25.000 It's kind of like when an employee, when a boss jokes to an employee about firing them.
00:16:30.000 Like, to the boss, it doesn't mean anything.
00:16:32.000 But to the employee, that actually is a legitimate threat.
00:16:32.000 They're like, it's a joke.
00:16:36.000 Ian, are you scared Canadians are going to come after you?
00:16:39.000 No, I'm afraid that they're going to shore up and join the Chinese and actually allow the Chinese to invade us.
00:16:43.000 Not that the Chinese are going to invade, the Chinese are like our greatest allies.
00:16:46.000 And you've argued for annexing Palestine.
00:16:48.000 That's the joke.
00:16:49.000 51st state.
00:16:51.000 Well, that was like instead of spreading U.S. democracy to foreign lands.
00:16:56.000 And as Canada does not have democracy, that's the joke.
00:17:00.000 Yeah, Canada, man.
00:17:02.000 I would love to see them self governed.
00:17:05.000 I don't like seeing kingdoms.
00:17:07.000 I'm not a big fan of monocracy or whatever the hell you call it.
00:17:11.000 What do you consider Canada's votes then?
00:17:13.000 What are their votes?
00:17:14.000 Yeah, I mean, they vote, right?
00:17:17.000 They're a province of China at this point.
00:17:19.000 Yeah, right.
00:17:20.000 If you've been to Vancouver recently, it's a province of China.
00:17:25.000 Ian's very concerned with the fact that the king is still the king of Canada and he's concerned with the monarchy.
00:17:30.000 So I'm wondering, what do you think?
00:17:32.000 Do you think their votes are just symbolic?
00:17:33.000 Do you think the king installs whoever he wants?
00:17:37.000 He installs the governor general who can disband parliament.
00:17:41.000 So the parliament kind of bows to the governor general.
00:17:43.000 That's a big problem.
00:17:44.000 But do you think that that actually happens or do you think that they're actually left to govern themselves and the king actually wouldn't do anything unless it was exceedingly drastic?
00:17:55.000 Well, if you look at Australia in the 60s, they had their governor general fired basically by the king.
00:18:00.000 Wasn't it the 70s?
00:18:01.000 Was it?
00:18:02.000 This is a great story.
00:18:03.000 There were 50 years covered on this show before.
00:18:04.000 It was a big, like a CIA op where they got the governor general taken out of office because he wasn't playing ball.
00:18:10.000 He was too Australia for Australians and they wanted him to be no Australia for the British.
00:18:14.000 So, yeah, I think it could happen again.
00:18:16.000 No, no, no.
00:18:16.000 I didn't think that.
00:18:17.000 I'm not asking if it's possible.
00:18:18.000 I'm asking, do you think they govern themselves generally?
00:18:21.000 No, they're governed by the king.
00:18:25.000 Have the party that they vote for, the people that they vote for don't actually have any power.
00:18:28.000 It's all the king pulling the strings.
00:18:30.000 I didn't say that.
00:18:31.000 That's what I'm asking you.
00:18:32.000 I would say that.
00:18:33.000 I would say that.
00:18:33.000 The king doesn't do all of it, but the king is in charge and owns it.
00:18:36.000 If I was the king and people were like, why can't we govern ourselves?
00:18:39.000 I'd be like, can we set up a system where they think they govern themselves, but I'm still in charge?
00:18:43.000 Let's look at this show, for instance.
00:18:44.000 How many of you here in this room think that you have any right to say whatever the fuck you want and to take over this show at any moment?
00:18:50.000 We're all on this show together.
00:18:51.000 We're all participating.
00:18:53.000 Any moment, bro, could just turn the lights off.
00:18:56.000 Pull the plugs and tell us all to get the fuck out of here.
00:18:58.000 That's not true, actually.
00:18:58.000 He's calling the cops.
00:18:59.000 It's your property.
00:19:00.000 I don't have control of the show or the likes Carter does.
00:19:02.000 You can tell Carter he's fired and then kick him out and be like, you're calling the cops if you don't leave right now.
00:19:06.000 Vacate the premises.
00:19:07.000 It's not a country.
00:19:10.000 It's a monarchy.
00:19:11.000 That country's a monarchy.
00:19:11.000 Kind of fascinating.
00:19:12.000 Yeah, same.
00:19:13.000 Listen, this room is a monarchy.
00:19:14.000 Literally, it's a corporation.
00:19:16.000 I am the king.
00:19:18.000 The same thing goes for all that remains.
00:19:20.000 If I say to someone in all that remains, you're out.
00:19:22.000 When my king says that to me.
00:19:22.000 Let me try something.
00:19:24.000 Quiet, Ian.
00:19:24.000 Let me try something.
00:19:26.000 You can't quack.
00:19:27.000 Oh, it didn't work.
00:19:28.000 Oh, look at that.
00:19:29.000 I tried, but I knew my role.
00:19:31.000 But the king has similar power in Canada.
00:19:33.000 He just doesn't exercise it.
00:19:34.000 Like Tim doesn't fire people every day, but.
00:19:36.000 I agree with Ian.
00:19:38.000 It is strange to me that people genuinely believe the king would retain his rights and in the decrees for these Commonwealth nations, he would retain all that power and just never be exercising it.
00:19:51.000 It doesn't.
00:19:52.000 The thing that I'm trying to get at with Ian, though, or asking that I'm kind of interrogating him over is.
00:19:58.000 Do the votes in Canada matter?
00:20:01.000 Do the people in Canada?
00:20:01.000 I don't think they do.
00:20:02.000 You don't think they do?
00:20:03.000 Absolutely not.
00:20:04.000 Do our votes matter?
00:20:06.000 We got a Republican trifecta that couldn't pass the Save Act.
00:20:08.000 80% of this country in every single poll is like, yeah, pass it.
00:20:11.000 You just think that, and not that I'm a pro democracy person, I'm actually pretty against democracy.
00:20:17.000 But you think that democracy is actually not in effect in countries like Canada and like the United States?
00:20:22.000 Do you know about the plutonomy memo?
00:20:25.000 No.
00:20:26.000 Let me see if I can.
00:20:28.000 Old, old, old from 2005.
00:20:31.000 We do not live in a constitutional republic.
00:20:34.000 Citigroup wrote that we live in a plutonomy.
00:20:37.000 We have seen study after study.
00:20:38.000 We have seen survey after survey, analysis of government.
00:20:44.000 The votes of the people, the polls, and the elected representatives do not sway the bills that get passed.
00:20:49.000 That's, yeah, I'm aware of that.
00:20:51.000 Overwhelmingly, the bills that get passed are at the behest of powerful special interest groups.
00:20:56.000 And it has been that way my whole life.
00:20:59.000 So that's why I agree with Ian.
00:21:02.000 I think that the king, let's, Ian, you make a great point.
00:21:06.000 If I said, if I went like this to everybody watching the show, I am magnanimous.
00:21:13.000 For dinner, I will let the People decide.
00:21:16.000 Everybody watch as we all vote on whether or not.
00:21:20.000 You better say pizza.
00:21:21.000 Anyway, what did you vote for?
00:21:23.000 And then when everybody.
00:21:25.000 I like that too.
00:21:27.000 Kimchi pizza, dude.
00:21:28.000 I want to get kimchi after the show.
00:21:29.000 Kimchi pizza.
00:21:30.000 That'd be so good.
00:21:31.000 The point is, when the king, and this is your point, I agree with you.
00:21:35.000 When the king goes to parliament or whatever and says, you know what I want to happen, they say, I'm not going to tell the king no.
00:21:41.000 I mean, think about it.
00:21:42.000 If Donald Trump goes to a member of Congress and he says, I want this done, they go, okay.
00:21:48.000 And the ones that don't lose and they're gone.
00:21:50.000 I've got kind of a good analogy for this.
00:21:51.000 I think it was the Beach Boys that had like one of their dads or managers or something was like, they had a fake mixing board for him.
00:21:59.000 So, like, he was, they wanted him to think that he was controlling stuff, but actually, it wasn't really working.
00:22:04.000 They were, you know, doing their own thing and he was just pretending.
00:22:07.000 You know, usually with democracy along that, it seems like, and probably particularly in Canada, they let the people vote and it works until they vote for something that totally violates what the king wants.
00:22:17.000 And then the king will be like, nah, okay, we got to.
00:22:19.000 Similar in the U.S., you see it happen.
00:22:21.000 Like, if, People wanted to sit, you know, 95% of the population wants something, but Congress is like, yeah, it's not going to happen.
00:22:26.000 Like the Save Act.
00:22:27.000 And then they fake reasons.
00:22:27.000 Well, but I mean.
00:22:28.000 Oh, you know, I just don't have the votes to do it.
00:22:31.000 But the thing that you just laid out, the example you just laid out, if Donald Trump goes to people and says blah, blah, blah, then they generally do it.
00:22:31.000 Fair enough.
00:22:38.000 But he wants the Save Act, and the Save Act isn't getting passed.
00:22:42.000 That's true, because maybe Trump's not the king.
00:22:44.000 Well, I mean, maybe the king's the king.
00:22:48.000 Trump isn't the king, but there isn't a king in the United States.
00:22:51.000 There's special interests, there's groups.
00:22:53.000 Indeed.
00:22:54.000 That are powerful net.
00:22:56.000 I think the authority, well, it's a question of when we say the king, it's where is the real authority lying?
00:23:02.000 And it's clearly not with Trump.
00:23:04.000 I mean, he's amassed a great deal of power outside of these intel agencies, but the United States is functionally different.
00:23:10.000 I'd imagine if the king of Canada went to the solicitor, what is it?
00:23:15.000 Not solicitor general.
00:23:15.000 Governor general.
00:23:16.000 Governor general.
00:23:17.000 And just said, make it happen.
00:23:20.000 I mean, look, you go to the members of parliament, you're going to be like, are you going to defy the king?
00:23:24.000 And they're going to be like, what does it really mean to defy the king?
00:23:26.000 Well, it means a guy in a suit's going to show up and he's going to find drugs in your car.
00:23:31.000 And you're going to be a disgraced member of parliament.
00:23:34.000 And how do you prove the drugs weren't yours?
00:23:35.000 You can't.
00:23:36.000 Goodbye.
00:23:36.000 You're gone.
00:23:37.000 It is so insanely easy to maintain power, political power.
00:23:40.000 I mean, let's just be real.
00:23:43.000 The worst thing that could ever have happened to you as an upstart politician is that they primary you like Thomas Massey.
00:23:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:23:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:23:50.000 The best thing.
00:23:52.000 If they're saying you're a thorn in our foot and you're gone, then they primary you.
00:23:56.000 If.
00:23:57.000 The government really wants to, if the intelligence agencies really want to.
00:24:01.000 They have many methods and means by which to dispatch you, this mortal coil.
00:24:06.000 They could, you know, you got into a car accident, you got mugged.
00:24:11.000 Or the easiest is they just say, hey, look, we pulled you over and there's cocaine in your trunk.
00:24:16.000 That's it.
00:24:17.000 Your career is over.
00:24:17.000 You'll never get elected again.
00:24:18.000 You're going to resign in disgrace.
00:24:20.000 Look at Swalwell.
00:24:21.000 Swalwell was going to be governor.
00:24:23.000 He was trying to move up, they didn't want him to, so they burned his life to the ground.
00:24:28.000 I thought he deserved it.
00:24:30.000 But here's the thing.
00:24:32.000 Look, if we just kept the Constitution the way it was written, we have answers for this.
00:24:39.000 The Senate would be appointed by the states, and there would be 6,000 members of Congress.
00:24:48.000 Most people don't realize that we're not supposed to just keep 400.
00:24:52.000 It's a population that should be represented by a member of Congress.
00:24:57.000 It's a certain number.
00:24:58.000 So we should have thousands of members of Congress, not 435.
00:25:03.000 Would that number of Congress people make Congress more or less dysfunctional?
00:25:08.000 It would make it more functional because it's much easier.
00:25:14.000 To put together a control over 435 people who meet in a building in Washington, D.C., than it is to control 6,000 people who you can't fit all in one building.
00:25:28.000 And that's the problem they like the building too much.
00:25:31.000 So they can find it to just 435, when in reality, the Constitution demanded that there should be thousands of members of Congress.
00:25:41.000 And that would be much, much harder to control, much more expensive for the lobbyists to.
00:25:46.000 Go to every single office and tap on every single shoulder and get all the blackmail and bribery and stuff.
00:25:53.000 You know what?
00:25:54.000 I think it's true that it's easy to condemn your political opponents and maintain political power.
00:25:59.000 I've been thinking a lot about Andrew Tate, but I'll get back to that in a second because it's important we talk about it.
00:26:05.000 In the age of digital, it seems like as technology is advancing, it becomes even easier to maintain a stranglehold on power with, like, I could put child porn on your computer from a distance and then be like, we found child porn on your computer.
00:26:14.000 So it's like planting drugs in your car digitally.
00:26:17.000 And And Andrew Tate.
00:26:18.000 I'm not saying that he didn't do any crimes, but the brother has been in solitary confinement for like 68 days straight.
00:26:24.000 The oubliette.
00:26:25.000 They threw him away.
00:26:25.000 They want us to forget.
00:26:26.000 He's suffering in a prison cell.
00:26:28.000 Like in the United States, I will.
00:26:31.000 Is that the brother?
00:26:32.000 Sure.
00:26:32.000 Is Tristan also in?
00:26:33.000 You said the brother.
00:26:34.000 This brother.
00:26:35.000 I'm talking about Andrew.
00:26:36.000 It was like a brother man alive on the earth, a human.
00:26:39.000 But his brother also might be.
00:26:41.000 I don't know if he's in solitary, but Andrew's.
00:26:43.000 Look, I don't really even know.
00:26:45.000 I don't know the guy that well.
00:26:45.000 I don't like him at face value.
00:26:47.000 I think what he did was horrendous.
00:26:49.000 If he was trafficking young children, if he was.
00:26:52.000 You know, whatever all these horrible things, but he's an American citizen and he hasn't been found guilty of a crime on the U.S. soil.
00:26:57.000 How is he in solitary confinement?
00:26:59.000 This is like you gotta, this is it.
00:27:01.000 This is when you stand up for the people you don't necessarily like.
00:27:04.000 I don't know how to describe it.
00:27:05.000 It's, it's, if there was a guy and he had a mustache and he was a sex trafficker for sure, you knew for sure, would you say it's a good thing that he was placed, he was arrested and they threw him in solitary?
00:27:20.000 I don't know about because I don't know about torturing.
00:27:22.000 Like solitaire is a form of torture.
00:27:24.000 I think it's good he's off the street and he's not trafficking, but I don't know that you necessarily got to get your jollies off by watching him suffer.
00:27:31.000 You know what I think?
00:27:32.000 I think the laws don't matter.
00:27:36.000 And I think the machine has rules.
00:27:39.000 The law enforcement apparatus, the governments, they have rules.
00:27:43.000 It doesn't matter what the laws say, it matters that you don't break their rules and they're not going to tell you what their rules are.
00:27:49.000 The Tates, accused of whatever they're doing, They were doing freaky dicky stuff.
00:27:55.000 They were doing OnlyFans stuff.
00:27:56.000 I think that's all well established and known.
00:27:58.000 I don't know the full details.
00:27:59.000 Maybe I'm wrong on some of this.
00:28:01.000 But I think the real reason they're going after the Tate brothers is because they don't believe the Tate brothers should be allowed to be rich.
00:28:08.000 They are rich, wealthy, and influential, and they break the rules of the machine.
00:28:12.000 There's acceptable wealth that you can have.
00:28:15.000 And if you're not part of that club, you're not part of that club.
00:28:17.000 We are chickens in a chicken coop.
00:28:19.000 Well, that's why they hate Trump.
00:28:20.000 Look, indeed.
00:28:21.000 Trump is a guy from Queens.
00:28:23.000 He grew up in the same place I was born.
00:28:25.000 So I understand this.
00:28:27.000 He's the guy who made his money in gambling.
00:28:33.000 He made his money in casinos and hotels, and he got some money from his dad, and all of a sudden he's a billionaire.
00:28:40.000 He doesn't belong in our club.
00:28:41.000 That's why they hate him, is because he made his money in unsavory ways.
00:28:46.000 And that's what they accuse him of still to this day.
00:28:49.000 So the reason why I say this, because I know you're hearing a lot of anti Tate people being like, Tim, he did all these horrible things.
00:28:55.000 I'm not saying he did or didn't.
00:28:56.000 I'm saying.
00:28:57.000 The Epstein files.
00:28:58.000 Thank you and have a nice day.
00:28:59.000 There are people that absolutely need to be locked up that somehow aren't.
00:29:04.000 And then they go after the Tate brothers, which by all means, if they did bad things, fine.
00:29:08.000 Arrest them, you know, criminally charge them and all that.
00:29:12.000 But it is very obvious to everybody when you do, there are haves and have nots.
00:29:16.000 And whether or not you actually have money isn't a question of being a have or a have not.
00:29:21.000 I think there's a handful of people that you can take a look at in crypto.
00:29:27.000 I don't believe, I'll put it this way.
00:29:30.000 The machine does not want people who are not connected and part of the machine to have wealth through crypto or influence, at the very least.
00:29:40.000 There have been many people associated with Bitcoin who have been wrongly imprisoned and they threw away the key or seized their assets.
00:29:47.000 I think they saw the rise of crypto.
00:29:49.000 They didn't expect it initially.
00:29:50.000 And they said, we have a plan for what we're going to do with crypto now.
00:29:53.000 And these guys control too much of it.
00:29:56.000 Take them down.
00:29:57.000 Was Roger Vare one of those guys?
00:29:58.000 I don't know a lot about his.
00:29:59.000 Probably.
00:30:00.000 He was like a big Bitcoin guy in the early 2010s.
00:30:03.000 There's a handful of people that.
00:30:06.000 Have a lot of Bitcoin and they've been placed under house arrest or had their assets seized because crypto slipped outside the confines of the petrodollar.
00:30:17.000 Crypto slipped though.
00:30:18.000 I thought that's what you were going to say.
00:30:19.000 No, and they're regaining control.
00:30:21.000 That's it.
00:30:22.000 Now, I will tell you this.
00:30:23.000 It's narrative control.
00:30:23.000 Like, that's why they want Tate locked away right now because he can't spew his thoughts, which would.
00:30:28.000 It's not about his thoughts.
00:30:29.000 You think it's more than.
00:30:30.000 No, I think it's about him gaining wealth and influence through a mean they don't want.
00:30:34.000 Crypto, specifically crypto.
00:30:35.000 So.
00:30:35.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:30:37.000 They did a bunch of crypto stuff back in the day that helped make them a lot of money and then used it to become big influencers.
00:30:42.000 We saw in their defense that most of the stuff they have isn't real.
00:30:45.000 It's just social media marketing.
00:30:47.000 They are extremely wealthy, but just not as wealthy as you'd think.
00:30:51.000 They don't actually own these yachts.
00:30:52.000 At least that's what their defense said.
00:30:54.000 I think that if you get rich through, look at Martin Shkreli, for instance.
00:31:02.000 My understanding is like he didn't break any laws and they criminally charged him.
00:31:07.000 What was this?
00:31:08.000 It's been a long time.
00:31:09.000 I forget the exact story, but it was like.
00:31:12.000 They said it was fraud because while I can't remember the exact story.
00:31:15.000 He raised the price of insulin from like.
00:31:17.000 That's not how he made his money.
00:31:18.000 So that's the way he made his money, but the criminal charges, I mean.
00:31:21.000 It was something like, yes, his investments were sound.
00:31:25.000 Yes, everyone gave him the money.
00:31:26.000 But because he didn't disclose something properly, it was fraudulent.
00:31:30.000 Even though I can't remember what it was.
00:31:32.000 Securities fraud.
00:31:33.000 But right.
00:31:34.000 It was a specific thing that was a weird technicality because everybody made money, nobody lost money.
00:31:39.000 But they argued it's still fraud anyway because he lied about something underneath.
00:31:42.000 And that's what they tried doing to Trump.
00:31:44.000 They said, oh, you gave financial asset disclosure forms to a bank, but the person who drafted it put the wrong square footage for your penthouse.
00:31:52.000 Therefore, Trump committed fraud.
00:31:55.000 That's the game they're playing.
00:31:56.000 It's like, if you are not in the machine, if you're not part of the game, you are not allowed to have this money.
00:32:02.000 And look, that comes from the Soviet Union.
00:32:06.000 Show me the person, I'll show you the crime.
00:32:09.000 That's how this justice system is working.
00:32:11.000 Instead of finding a crime and investigating it to find the person, they're.
00:32:17.000 They're basically looking at the person and finding a crime.
00:32:22.000 But it's basically just like who are the people they're looking at?
00:32:24.000 Well, Shkreli got very wealthy, and then the machine said, We can't allow that person to have that much money.
00:32:30.000 Take him out.
00:32:31.000 I think Kanye got a little bit of a taste of that, too.
00:32:33.000 He got really rich.
00:32:34.000 Well, here's the other secret to the people that need to understand Ye was a billionaire because he had a contract.
00:32:42.000 He had a value of a contract that raised his net worth, which is a silly way to do things, but they did.
00:32:46.000 So there's a question of how much money did he actually have and how much did he actually lose?
00:32:50.000 We don't know.
00:32:51.000 He lost a contract that was worth nearly a billion dollars.
00:32:55.000 The Tate thing has really been under my skin for about a week and a half since I mean, he's like, you can see that to the torture that he's being tortured.
00:33:02.000 He's essentially they want extradite him to wear Romania, is that where it is, or Britain?
00:33:06.000 UK.
00:33:06.000 UK.
00:33:07.000 So look, I love you guys.
00:33:08.000 You British dudes are awesome.
00:33:09.000 King, you're probably cool, but hands off the Americans.
00:33:12.000 Like, he's an American citizen.
00:33:14.000 He hasn't done an American crime.
00:33:15.000 He's British.
00:33:16.000 Does he have American citizenship?
00:33:18.000 Yeah, I think he has both.
00:33:19.000 So he's an American, technically.
00:33:21.000 Yeah, but he's look, if you want to be a dual citizen, that comes with, uh, Interesting.
00:33:27.000 You're subject to law.
00:33:29.000 So if you have dual citizenship and you commit a crime in one country, does the other country have a duty to?
00:33:34.000 I think that it's only, I think they only have jurisdiction over their own place.
00:33:38.000 And the argument is that he did something when it comes to human trafficking in the UK, whether I think or sexual assault in the UK.
00:33:47.000 I'm not.
00:33:47.000 Which is true.
00:33:48.000 Our laws are tougher here than in the UK.
00:33:51.000 We have extradition treaties with the UK.
00:33:54.000 So the UK says you commit a crime, we want them.
00:33:56.000 They said, okay.
00:33:57.000 That's risky because.
00:33:58.000 But I think these.
00:33:59.000 Doesn't he have charges now, U.S. charges too?
00:34:02.000 He could.
00:34:03.000 I don't know.
00:34:03.000 Yeah.
00:34:05.000 I think the reality is, you know, look, I don't know them.
00:34:09.000 I'm sure they've done shady stuff, whatever.
00:34:12.000 But the question remains why not literally any of the other high profile wealthy creepos?
00:34:20.000 Oh, I know.
00:34:21.000 He doesn't have any American charges right now.
00:34:22.000 However, he's being held in solitary in America.
00:34:25.000 No charges.
00:34:25.000 He's held.
00:34:27.000 He's fighting extradition.
00:34:28.000 He's got 59 charges in.
00:34:29.000 Including rape and sex trafficking from the UK.
00:34:32.000 Jeez.
00:34:34.000 Look, for all I know, he's an evil human, but it's like he still has his legal rights.
00:34:38.000 It's devastating to see this guy locked up.
00:34:40.000 Maybe they think he's a flight risk or something, but come on, guys.
00:34:43.000 Like, John Adams represented the British.
00:34:45.000 You're in the military for stuff you're charged with.
00:34:48.000 So that's kind of weird.
00:34:50.000 They just keep charging him and the charges keep falling apart.
00:34:52.000 Like, what's going on?
00:34:53.000 I don't know.
00:34:54.000 I don't know.
00:34:55.000 I don't know if he needs, because you can't pardon him.
00:34:56.000 That's why I'm saying, like, if, look, like all the money I have.
00:35:02.000 I was allowed to have.
00:35:03.000 And I've talked about this before.
00:35:05.000 They could ban me from YouTube whenever they want.
00:35:07.000 They've suppressed my channels.
00:35:09.000 They literally control the flow of viewership, influence, and revenue.
00:35:13.000 And by they, I mean YouTube, Google, their friends in politics.
00:35:19.000 They decide.
00:35:20.000 Yesterday, we talked about this.
00:35:22.000 Candace Owens is featured in the marquee, it's the masthead for YouTube.
00:35:25.000 So if you go to YouTube.com on a brand new computer and you go to their live section, she's.
00:35:32.000 She's so what they do for Candace.
00:35:35.000 We did have this for a while.
00:35:37.000 Anybody who goes to YouTube live is automatically watching Candace Owens' stream.
00:35:41.000 So she's getting a massive spike in viewership.
00:35:43.000 And then in recent streams, they show three videos.
00:35:46.000 It was Candace, Candace, Candace.
00:35:48.000 It was yesterday, the day before, and the day before that.
00:35:51.000 All of their recent streams.
00:35:52.000 They are deciding they want her to be the top, the biggest show.
00:35:58.000 It's a choice.
00:35:59.000 Oh, it's clear what it is.
00:36:01.000 I mean, what they're trying to do is she's the biggest wedge in the.
00:36:06.000 conservative MAGA movement.
00:36:08.000 She's the wedge that's splitting the party in two.
00:36:11.000 So, of course, they want that.
00:36:13.000 Yep.
00:36:13.000 The people that are making the decisions of who gets to have money, do you think they sit around and have each other executed, like have each other assassinated, like the preterian guard of old, like the old secret deep state psychos that were having each other killed for power constantly, like power struggles behind the scenes?
00:36:31.000 No one knows the answer, but I'm asking if you think it gets that bad, or are they all gentlemen with their Swiss banks and then they all just share the money?
00:36:39.000 Probably until one of them does something the other ones don't like.
00:36:42.000 Yeah, I think if the case were.
00:36:45.000 Like powerful people were being offed in a very ruthless and cutthroat manner, you'd probably hear more and hear about more murders of wealthy people.
00:36:54.000 Like, you hear about the stuff if you dig into what's going on in Russia, you hear about the people that Putin decides that he doesn't want to be hassled by anymore.
00:37:03.000 Right here, just recently, you have all those scientists that were going missing and murdered or suspiciously unalived.
00:37:11.000 Did any of those people ever show back up?
00:37:13.000 I don't think so.
00:37:14.000 Not alive, as far as I know.
00:37:15.000 But I mean, Like when I was talking about Putin, like you hear about journalists that were jumped off of buildings, but they were likely thrown.
00:37:24.000 Or he literally shot down the helicopter of the guy that tried to have a coup.
00:37:30.000 The guy from the Wagner group.
00:37:32.000 It was military, yeah.
00:37:33.000 The leader of the Wagner group tried to attempt a coup or whatever.
00:37:37.000 And Putin was like, no, it's fine.
00:37:39.000 And then a couple of weeks later, he shot his helicopter down.
00:37:41.000 Like that kind of stuff, it gets out.
00:37:44.000 So if there was actually a situation where there were.
00:37:48.000 A lot of people that were, or not even a lot of people, you imagine people that were very, very, very wealthy and very, very, very influential.
00:37:57.000 If those people were offing each other, you'd hear about the murders.
00:38:00.000 You'd hear about that stuff.
00:38:01.000 It's far more likely that they collude than decide to kill each other in cutthroat manners and stuff like that.
00:38:09.000 That's a little more fantasy, I think, just because.
00:38:13.000 Do you think, though, if they decide who gets to be rich and who doesn't, they can control what we get to know and what we don't, though?
00:38:23.000 I don't know.
00:38:25.000 I don't think they decide who gets to be rich so much as they decide if someone isn't allowed in the club.
00:38:32.000 Like if someone, because there are people that, you know, there are different levels of rich.
00:38:32.000 Right.
00:38:38.000 Like you can be a very wealthy person, you know, have like 10, 20, 30 million net worth or what have you.
00:38:47.000 And I think that you'd pretty much still fly under the radar.
00:38:49.000 But if you get into the multiple billions, not just a billion, probably, you know, multiple billions.
00:38:54.000 And you're someone they don't like, then maybe they would have put an effort into getting you some kind of situation where you lose your money or they might collude against you so that way you're no longer a threat to the state.
00:39:08.000 Like the Russia collusion, like the fake impeachment.
00:39:12.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what they did to Trump specifically.
00:39:16.000 Excuse me.
00:39:16.000 I think the stuff with Trump, though, is more about the amount of power that he had because of the fact that he was the president, not so much about the money, because he was.
00:39:25.000 You know, worth like 10 billion or something like that, or between five and 10 billion before he ran.
00:39:30.000 And he basically didn't have.
00:39:33.000 It wasn't the money.
00:39:34.000 Everybody loved him, you know.
00:39:35.000 It was the influence.
00:39:35.000 Yeah, everybody loved him.
00:39:37.000 Trump's first controversial moment, in my opinion, I mean, he's had controversial moments his whole career, but his first big one in the national political stage is when he questioned Obama's birth.
00:39:50.000 Yeah.
00:39:51.000 And, you know, put, what was it, $5 million on whether or not he could produce a birth certificate?
00:39:57.000 Yeah.
00:39:57.000 Yeah.
00:39:58.000 And, you know, quite frankly, they did produce a birth certificate, but it was definitely photoshopped.
00:40:05.000 I will say that.
00:40:07.000 Being in the graphics business, I'll tell you it was photoshopped.
00:40:11.000 But that's a whole other conversation.
00:40:13.000 But that's when he stepped into the political circle in a big time way that upset the apple cart.
00:40:21.000 And that's what I think a lot of people turned against him.
00:40:24.000 Yeah, I mean, that would make sense.
00:40:26.000 You know, I mean, Barack Obama was definitely kind of the anointed one.
00:40:30.000 To go from junior senator for two years to running for president.
00:40:34.000 To go from Kenyan born to.
00:40:36.000 Yeah.
00:40:38.000 I did it.
00:40:39.000 Yeah, I actually do think that he was born in Hawaii, but the fact that he was raised in Indonesia definitely makes people question hey, how American is this guy?
00:40:48.000 He's born in Hawaii, which the mainland and Hawaii are real different places.
00:40:55.000 The culture there is very, very different.
00:40:57.000 I used to tell a somewhat distasteful joke when Obama was running for his.
00:41:02.000 For president, and then he had to like pause his campaign because his grandmother died.
00:41:07.000 Well, he went to Hawaii to check on his grandmother like a week before, and she was one kind of was spouting out that he was born in Kenya.
00:41:17.000 And I wonder if he gave her a pillow.
00:41:21.000 That's horrible.
00:41:23.000 But yeah, I mean, I do understand why people question if he's really American the way that his wife is, right?
00:41:34.000 Like Michelle Obama was.
00:41:35.000 Born in, I think it was Alabama, and she was raised in the United States.
00:41:39.000 She lived her whole life in the United States with Barack Obama.
00:41:41.000 He was born in Hawaii and raised mostly in Indonesia and then came back to the States.
00:41:46.000 And so you do kind of wonder, well, you know, how in touch with Americans is someone that spent his formative years in another country living in a different culture, you know, that was born in Hawaii?
00:41:59.000 It's like, yes, he is an American because he was born in, at least in my opinion, he was born in Hawaii.
00:42:05.000 He's an American citizen.
00:42:06.000 He doesn't have the same kind of understanding of Americans that, again, like his wife does.
00:42:10.000 Whether or not you agree with her opinions, she was born in the South and she was raised here.
00:42:16.000 And same thing with basically every other president that we've ever had.
00:42:20.000 They were born in the United States, they lived their life here, whereas Barack Obama was raised somewhere else and all the formative years were in a different country.
00:42:29.000 So it doesn't make me wonder how much does he understand the American population?
00:42:35.000 Well, he understands that he doesn't like it.
00:42:37.000 You know, he was reading books as president, The End of America, you know, was the name of the book.
00:42:43.000 So, you know, he understands it enough that, you know, he, and it's not just him, it's his whole DSA movement that just hates America, absolutely despises everything that we stand for, that we were made for, and wants to, you know, fundamentally change, you know, hope and change America into, you know, their, Utopian socialist paradise.
00:43:10.000 You know, the thing is, though, that Trump also, I wouldn't say that he hates America, but he is extremely critical.
00:43:17.000 Like, he's saying we have to make it great.
00:43:19.000 It's not great.
00:43:20.000 Like, when you say my country's not great, you're basically telling me my country sucks.
00:43:23.000 Well, it's not the same thing, but he's insinuating the country's a hellhole and that we need to make it great again because it's no longer great.
00:43:30.000 It's kind of like the whole like hope for the future.
00:43:33.000 Like, I don't know that Obama ever gave off the vibe that he hated it, that he was acknowledging how bad it is.
00:43:38.000 Saying we have hope for change.
00:43:42.000 Is the same thing.
00:43:45.000 It's like saying, make America great.
00:43:46.000 It's exactly the same thing.
00:43:48.000 Yeah, literal translation.
00:43:49.000 It's the same emotive invocation.
00:43:53.000 Yeah.
00:43:54.000 So, is Obama literally the DSA guy?
00:43:57.000 Is he directly involved with DSA guys or the DSA?
00:43:59.000 I never heard of him mentioning Obama.
00:44:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:44:02.000 Well, I mean, he's not formally with the DSA.
00:44:04.000 No, not formally, but the whole movement was, I mean, the same movement.
00:44:10.000 He was with, you know, the, what was that, the Weather Underground.
00:44:13.000 I mean, those were his.
00:44:15.000 No, he wasn't, but he was mentored by the people.
00:44:19.000 He was mentored by the people.
00:44:21.000 He ran the Bill A. Clower.
00:44:23.000 Violent people from the Weather Underground?
00:44:25.000 Were they?
00:44:25.000 Some of them were mentoring people.
00:44:27.000 Barack Obama.
00:44:28.000 The Weather Underground was a terrorist organization.
00:44:30.000 They committed a bunch of bombings.
00:44:32.000 What was it?
00:44:33.000 They killed people in a bank robbery or something like that.
00:44:36.000 And that's Francis Fox Piven.
00:44:38.000 Yep.
00:44:38.000 Was that her name?
00:44:39.000 Cloward Piven.
00:44:40.000 Cloward Piven is a strategy.
00:44:41.000 Yeah.
00:44:42.000 But from Francis Piven.
00:44:45.000 Francis Scott.
00:44:45.000 Francis Fox Piven and Bill Ayers.
00:44:49.000 Yeah, the Weather Underground was extremely violent.
00:44:51.000 In the early 70s, between 70 and 72, there were something like 2,000 bombings.
00:44:57.000 Not all attributed to the.
00:44:59.000 The Weather Underground was on like 2000 in the United States.
00:45:02.000 Like, as much as we talk about the conditions deteriorating in the US now, it's significantly better than it was in the early 70s.
00:45:11.000 Well, this is cool.
00:45:11.000 I asked if all of the Weather Underground was violent, and it said, no, there's a group called Students for a Democratic Society.
00:45:17.000 And that was the big aspect of it, and they were not.
00:45:20.000 And then there was the Weather Underground originally called Weathermen, and they were super violent.
00:45:24.000 And here's what they do because I've been in their meetings.
00:45:24.000 Right.
00:45:27.000 They'll say, okay, the main organization is peaceful, those people are going to be our violent agitators, those are our direct action group.
00:45:34.000 We're going to pretend they're not part of our group so that we can provide cover for them and then feign ignorance when they commit violence.
00:45:41.000 I mean, the left has always been violent.
00:45:43.000 It's their go to.
00:45:46.000 It's why when they protest, they go into the inner cities and burn it down and smash windows and attack people.
00:45:52.000 You know, Antifa, when they get together, they're never peaceful.
00:45:56.000 They're not kumbaya.
00:45:57.000 You know, they're beating up journalists.
00:45:59.000 What about the hippie movement?
00:46:02.000 Well, the hippie movement was, again, an offshoot of the.
00:46:08.000 Of the left, but it was more of an anti war movement than a leftist movement.
00:46:13.000 I don't think that they were pure communists.
00:46:15.000 The 60s were like partiers, let's go, let's get to, let's listen to some cool music, get stoned and hang out and be anti war.
00:46:24.000 I don't know that it was a communist movement.
00:46:29.000 I haven't done a lot of studying to say with authority about this, but like I was under the impression that most of the anti war.
00:46:40.000 Was because they were communists and the war that was going on was against communists.
00:46:44.000 So they were actually anti war, but they weren't anti war broadly.
00:46:49.000 They were anti that war because that war was against communists.
00:46:53.000 I'm not a historian on the hippie movement.
00:46:53.000 It's possible.
00:46:58.000 That's why you saw Jane Fonda going over and siding with the Viet Cong and pictures of her on the tank.
00:47:04.000 She's a traitor.
00:47:05.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:47:07.000 But yeah, so I mean, again, I'm not an authority, so I mean, I could be misinformed, but the whole.
00:47:13.000 Like the 60s were and the revolution in the 60s, like, or the you know, whatever the peace, love revolution thing in the 60s, like that morphed into the more militant stuff of the 70s.
00:47:23.000 The reason you got the bombings in the early 70s was because of the things that were going on in the mid 60s.
00:47:31.000 When I say hippies, I'm talking about you know, the people who were just coming along to get stoned, yeah, not necessarily the militant uh, you know, advocates of sure, just the ones who were coming in, uh, you know, smoking dope and having a good time, those people.
00:47:48.000 You know, a lot of them turned into MAGA in their boomer age.
00:47:54.000 So, you know, it's the curve.
00:47:58.000 I know a lot of former hippies that are now making America great.
00:48:02.000 Is it that the hippie movement, the 60s revolutionary period, was more peaceful and then Kennedy got assassinated, then Robert Kennedy, John Kennedy, then Robert Kennedy got assassinated, then Martin Luther King got assassinated, Malcolm X got assassinated, all these heroes of peace?
00:48:18.000 Got assassinated and then they got violent.
00:48:21.000 They were like, Look, you're leaving us no other choice.
00:48:23.000 You killed all our peaceful leaders.
00:48:24.000 Now we're becoming because, like, I could see MAGA if Donald Trump had been assassinated going extremely violent, like having MAGA movements.
00:48:31.000 I can't, radically violent.
00:48:33.000 I don't think MAGA is a violent.
00:48:33.000 I can't.
00:48:35.000 Now, look, if you push them, um, I think, I think there's anybody can be violent, but I, I don't think that MAGA is, is a, is a violent movement.
00:48:44.000 I don't think the right is violent.
00:48:45.000 I mean, I think the left is its first, um, Its first instinct is to be violent.
00:48:51.000 I mean, you look at the going back to the Soviet revolution.
00:48:56.000 I mean, the communists killed 100 million people in the 20th century.
00:49:02.000 100 million people.
00:49:03.000 It was just the way they took control.
00:49:06.000 And if you let the left gain power here, that's exactly what's going to happen.
00:49:14.000 Yeah, that's one of the reasons why we talk about the midterm so much, is because.
00:49:20.000 If you get, you know, with so many DSA candidates winning, if they or winning their primaries, if they end up with congressional seats, you're going to see significantly more DSA candidates running in 2028.
00:49:33.000 And you'll see someone that's running for president actually catering to those policies.
00:49:41.000 They'll be like, hey, these policies are the policies that people want that are going to get elected.
00:49:44.000 Now, will those policies become law?
00:49:47.000 Don't know because, you know, the makeup of Congress is going to matter a lot.
00:49:50.000 But you'll see the left.
00:49:53.000 The far left become more influential in national politics.
00:49:58.000 Funny thing, it's not funny, haha, it's funny, strange, is that we call socialism and how freaky it is for the government to control central authority.
00:50:07.000 But then at the same time, the Trump admins, I'm just getting the numbers here, has bought stock in 30 to 33 companies over the last five years.
00:50:17.000 Which is closer to socialism than what these socialists do.
00:50:19.000 I know.
00:50:20.000 So Adam Machler actually has a video where he says Trump is more socialist than any of the Democrats, and he explains things like this.
00:50:20.000 It is.
00:50:27.000 And I'll largely agree.
00:50:30.000 Most of how socialists recruit is they lie about what socialism is.
00:50:35.000 Government welfare programs is not socialism.
00:50:37.000 And even conservatives get this wrong too.
00:50:39.000 Socialism is when the government owns the factories.
00:50:42.000 And so you can have a mixed economy like we do with social programs, but the government holds some, like you're pointing out, but it's very, very, very little of the economy.
00:50:52.000 You can have that.
00:50:53.000 And then you've got social democracies.
00:50:55.000 So, like the Scandinavian countries, they don't own.
00:50:59.000 They're heavily regulated, though, and it's private businesses operating under regulation.
00:51:04.000 What ends up happening is Bernie Sanders proposed this 20% public ownership of corporations.
00:51:12.000 All corporations of a certain size have to give 20% to the government, and that money has to be paid out to the employees, 20% of all profits from their public ownership.
00:51:22.000 That's socialism.
00:51:23.000 But you see these videos on Instagram where a guy's like, I'm a socialist.
00:51:26.000 I think we should have health care.
00:51:28.000 It's like, well, that's not socialism.
00:51:30.000 Or my favorite one.
00:51:32.000 You know, this is why I say we're chickens in a chicken coop.
00:51:35.000 You're not going to be able to educate every single 18 year old arrogant testosterone laden communist, right?
00:51:42.000 And I do mean that when I say testosterone, testosterone laden.
00:51:44.000 Anarchism being smart, but they're very aggressive.
00:51:47.000 There's one guy who does Instagram videos where he argues with MAGA guys.
00:51:52.000 And he's like, Do you think that we should have everyone pay so that the fire department can come and put the fire out?
00:51:58.000 And this guy's like, Well, yeah, I guess so.
00:52:00.000 So what's wrong with socialism?
00:52:02.000 That's socialized fire.
00:52:03.000 And it's like, you know, to this young man who has never even bothered to investigate the claim he's making, this is the problem.
00:52:13.000 Let me just explain to all of you out there.
00:52:14.000 I'm building suspense intentionally.
00:52:17.000 Most fire departments.
00:52:19.000 Are rural volunteer fire departments where you still have to give them pay.
00:52:24.000 And if they don't like you, they're not going to help you.
00:52:27.000 So when these socialists are like, well, do you think that it's fine that we tax you for fire departments so that the fire?
00:52:33.000 Yeah, in your cities, in your deep blue urban cities where townhouses are connected to each other.
00:52:38.000 But come out here, it's all volunteer fire departments.
00:52:41.000 If I don't go out, if you don't go out, if the people don't go out and say, we're choosing to give you money to keep operating, there's no fire department.
00:52:48.000 They can apply for grants and things like that, yes.
00:52:51.000 But for the most part, It is not taxpayer funded.
00:52:54.000 Although, actually, out here, I think they do a property tax.
00:52:57.000 It's funny, they play games where they're like, it's not a property tax, it's a tax on your property for the fire department.
00:53:02.000 And California has proven that they can't even manage the fire department that they have, you know, with all the wildfires and the disaster.
00:53:09.000 Or they can, it's an intentional.
00:53:10.000 I think it's reasonable to sequester tax money for utilities, something that is absolutely intentionally utilized, like police enforcement, water supply, electricity, fire department.
00:53:21.000 Then everyone should pay, right?
00:53:22.000 If they're using the service.
00:53:23.000 Yeah, that's not the system we have right now.
00:53:27.000 Like, only half the country pays taxes.
00:53:29.000 The other half lives off the.
00:53:30.000 Oh, okay, okay.
00:53:31.000 If you can afford it.
00:53:32.000 Yeah, if you can afford to pay.
00:53:33.000 Well, I mean, you shouldn't get it.
00:53:33.000 No, no.
00:53:35.000 If you're going to have a situation where half the country is supporting the other half, that other half shouldn't be allowed to say, well, now you need to give us more money.
00:53:45.000 Now you need to pay for our health care too.
00:53:48.000 I want universal health care.
00:53:49.000 I want universal health care for this country.
00:53:52.000 Every single person should be guaranteed health care, and you have to pass a physical every six months to upkeep it.
00:54:00.000 And if your blood pressure is higher than average, you lose it.
00:54:00.000 Yeah.
00:54:04.000 And if, unless, so let me clarify that.
00:54:07.000 If you have an illness that results through no fault of your own, that's what we're treating.
00:54:13.000 But if you are not exercising, if you cannot do a certain amount of push ups, pull ups, crunches, whatever, disqualified.
00:54:22.000 If you can't sit in a chair and pull your legs up and sit cross legged, okay, within a certain age bracket, like able bodied, You have the opportunity to be.
00:54:34.000 And my point is look, if your legs busted, we're going to take care of you.
00:54:39.000 We could easily, easily afford universal health care if we mandated calisthenics.
00:54:45.000 With very limited exceptions for legitimate disabilities, obesity does not count, right?
00:54:51.000 If you are morbidly obese, you are cut off from health care.
00:54:55.000 I mean, I think it's better than the system that we have, probably.
00:54:58.000 Our health care costs nationwide would drop for every single person.
00:55:03.000 If we mandated exercise, you have to get a certain amount of steps in or else you lose your health care.
00:55:09.000 Oh, more than that.
00:55:11.000 Push ups.
00:55:11.000 Push ups, too.
00:55:12.000 Absolutely.
00:55:13.000 And to be fair, like, you know, women would have to do less than men.
00:55:17.000 That's totally fine.
00:55:18.000 But the problem with universal health care is that it's extremely expensive.
00:55:23.000 We can't afford it, and we can't because people are sick.
00:55:26.000 They eat garbage.
00:55:28.000 So, how about this?
00:55:29.000 My point is we will have universal health care when we ban carcinogens.
00:55:34.000 Not literally every single one, but within certain confines.
00:55:36.000 When we get rid of artificial dyes, which cause cancers, you can't smoke anymore.
00:55:41.000 No, no, you're allowed to do all these things.
00:55:43.000 You can eat tartrazine all day, but you don't get health care.
00:55:48.000 So, we create a program, Medicare for All.
00:55:51.000 In order to qualify, you have to certify and get tested that you're not eating preservatives, that you're exercising regularly, that you have the correct body mass index, whatever.
00:56:02.000 If you don't, you're cut off.
00:56:05.000 Dr. Elfenbein was here and he was saying that lifting weights is important too because muscle mass is directly proportional to your overall health as well.
00:56:13.000 Take a look at why people die of old age.
00:56:16.000 Muscle mass, it was sarcopenia, is that what it's called, right?
00:56:20.000 Your muscles just start losing muscle mass as you age.
00:56:23.000 You have to work extra hard when you get older to maintain that muscle mass.
00:56:28.000 You will live forever.
00:56:30.000 My mind is blown watching these Instagram videos.
00:56:33.000 I saw one where it's like, there's a whole bunch of them where it's like, I'm 40 and I'm trying to get back into skating.
00:56:38.000 And all the comments are like, man, if you can skateboard at 40, you're lucky.
00:56:42.000 And I'm out here jumping off buildings at 40, I'm rolling on the ground.
00:56:45.000 I mean, I've never stopped skating, so it's never occurred to me I shouldn't be able to.
00:56:49.000 But we've talked about it.
00:56:50.000 We've talked about it at our last studio, two flights of stairs to the studio.
00:56:53.000 We've had people in their mid 30s who struggled to make it to the studio.
00:56:56.000 So you don't qualify, and that's fine.
00:56:59.000 Okay, you don't qualify.
00:57:01.000 But don't worry, the costs for everybody will go down when we mandate these things.
00:57:05.000 Well, here's the thing look, universal healthcare will never really work because you're putting government in control of it.
00:57:12.000 And government screws everything up, literally screws everything up.
00:57:17.000 Everything up.
00:57:18.000 And so the idea that, you know, we got this universal payer system, you know, of course that would absolutely drop the cost, but also you could say the same thing if you could prove to health insurance companies and they could rate your insurance based on the activity that you have.
00:57:34.000 They do this.
00:57:35.000 They do it for, they do take, you know, they used to.
00:57:39.000 Now it's all the preconditioning.
00:57:40.000 Well, this is why they ask you if you don't.
00:57:42.000 You will get cheap.
00:57:44.000 Your insurance is more expensive if you're a morbidly obese chain smoker.
00:57:47.000 Right.
00:57:47.000 So my point is, If these leftists really want to have socialized medicine, you have to restrict everyone's rights.
00:57:57.000 Otherwise, because here's what you can't have you can't have a system where you opt in.
00:58:01.000 That's not universal health care.
00:58:03.000 And if you choose to opt in and it's under certain stipulations, like you have to be physically fit, you probably don't need it anyway.
00:58:09.000 But I'm a fan.
00:58:10.000 That works for me.
00:58:12.000 I don't really need it.
00:58:13.000 The main malfunction of a health care system, of a universal health care system or national health care system, is the people that poison themselves.
00:58:21.000 Intentionally, and then get sick and then require socialized aid.
00:58:26.000 Like, food is my biggest thing.
00:58:27.000 Like, drink Pepsi.
00:58:28.000 Now I have a cold, and then you have to go to the doctor.
00:58:31.000 Like, bro, why don't you drink water and eat some kale?
00:58:34.000 And they want us to pay their bills.
00:58:36.000 That's why I'm saying I would love it if we could actually have socialized medicine, but we can't so long as people in New York are slamming literal colas with their burgers.
00:58:50.000 People are incredibly unhealthy in the United States at most.
00:58:52.000 I ain't going to pay the medical bills for those people.
00:58:54.000 The other side of the argument that I'll push back on, and I don't even agree with it, is that if people get so sick and we refuse to help them, they will end up doing more damage to society than if we go into debt to help them, give them a chance to get better so that they can start contributing again.
00:59:10.000 But the thing is, they don't get better.
00:59:12.000 Like if you live an unhealthy lifestyle and you get sick and then you get whatever your problem is resolved, they just go back to that lifestyle.
00:59:21.000 People live a certain way.
00:59:23.000 And people that are inclined to go to the gym or exercise a lot, they're inclined to do that.
00:59:28.000 So that's why they never become, you know, they don't get the same kind of health outcomes, you know, negative health outcomes that overweight people do because that's the lifestyle they live.
00:59:39.000 If you fix a person that has an unhealthy lifestyle, they're just going to go back to that unhealthy lifestyle and stock up on a bunch of that same medicine for the next time they get sick.
00:59:50.000 And in their mind, they're like, well, probably next time I get a cold, I better get the vaccine.
00:59:53.000 I mean, if you're talking about something that's curable with just like a medicine, but you're usually talking about like, like, Dr. Ron was talking about the other day.
01:00:03.000 It's like these are congenitive things.
01:00:05.000 They're chronic diseases like heart disease or cancers and stuff like that.
01:00:10.000 And it takes a long time to treat them or they come back.
01:00:13.000 And because of the life that you live before you actually got the condition, like heart disease, if you get heart disease, there's a whole lifetime or 40 or 50 years of eating bad food, not exercising, living an unhealthy lifestyle that led to that heart disease.
01:00:33.000 I want to jump to this story from Futurism.
01:00:36.000 NVIDIA CEO Jensen Wang says that sacrificing our children's minds to AI is a price he's willing to pay.
01:00:43.000 You know, everything's fake.
01:00:44.000 Everything's fake on the internet.
01:00:46.000 Media Matters ran a story claiming Tim Pool backed Donald Trump on AI and then later on said, Tim Pool, quote, AI is an extinction level event.
01:00:56.000 They're just lying.
01:00:57.000 This is what they do.
01:00:58.000 Because I have been fairly doomerish on AI.
01:01:01.000 I use it.
01:01:01.000 I love it.
01:01:02.000 I'm using it to make my video game.
01:01:03.000 I make music with it.
01:01:04.000 I understand it's.
01:01:04.000 Awesome.
01:01:05.000 It's fun.
01:01:06.000 We're going to make crazy video games.
01:01:07.000 We're going to write crazy stories and have a blast.
01:01:09.000 But y'all need to recognize what these people are trying to accomplish.
01:01:16.000 If you do not doubt the danger of AI, you need only listen to what these people actually want us to be.
01:01:25.000 So let me play this clip from Ezra Klein's show where the CEO of NVIDIA says, It doesn't matter if your kids know math.
01:01:34.000 I don't even know where I live.
01:01:36.000 I'm not kidding.
01:01:37.000 Check this out.
01:01:38.000 So I was.
01:01:39.000 Fascinated by this is a study on AI in schooling out of China.
01:01:43.000 It looked at 26,000 students, grades seven to 12, and they had staggered AI adoption.
01:01:48.000 So you can kind of see what was happening.
01:01:49.000 And what it found was AI adoption raises homework scores by 18%, great, reduces completion time by 30%, so they get their homework done faster, and then lowers monthly exam scores by 20% within six months.
01:02:04.000 High stakes entrance exam scores fall by 18% and 24%, with a full penalty emerging.
01:02:10.000 Only after about two years.
01:02:12.000 So, the message of this research out of China, where you were seeing a lot of kids using AI to kind of help them, was that when they were using the AI, they were getting things done faster.
01:02:21.000 But it turned out that the skills they were learning were not holding, that their actual personal performance, at least in the way we traditionally measure it, was degrading.
01:02:31.000 Yeah.
01:02:31.000 What do you think when you hear that?
01:02:32.000 I think the last part, I completely agree.
01:02:35.000 Try to get a kid to do long division right now.
01:02:38.000 You know, the multiplication table is starting to be forgotten.
01:02:42.000 Doing square roots.
01:02:43.000 My goodness.
01:02:44.000 I mean, it's just basic math is being forgotten.
01:02:48.000 Does it matter?
01:02:49.000 That's my question for you.
01:02:50.000 Yeah, I don't think it does.
01:02:52.000 I don't think it does.
01:02:54.000 But there must be some set of skills that matter.
01:02:56.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:57.000 But maybe not those.
01:02:59.000 We're going to discover new ones.
01:03:02.000 Just maybe not those.
01:03:03.000 There are a lot of skills that don't matter.
01:03:06.000 You know, people don't.
01:03:07.000 I mean, my first confession I actually don't know my address.
01:03:12.000 What?
01:03:13.000 I don't really believe that to be true.
01:03:15.000 It's completely true.
01:03:17.000 And Janine will tell you, and Lori will tell you.
01:03:20.000 One day I had to pump gas, and it was a few years ago, and they needed my zip code.
01:03:27.000 And I panicked.
01:03:28.000 I didn't know my zip code.
01:03:30.000 I don't know my telephone number, but I forget these things.
01:03:37.000 I can live with it.
01:03:38.000 This is what they want to turn your children into.
01:03:40.000 Let me just explain to you guys why he doesn't.
01:03:44.000 Do you know why it is he doesn't know his own address?
01:03:46.000 Because his brain only has so much room.
01:03:48.000 Incorrect.
01:03:49.000 Any other guesses?
01:03:51.000 Why would it be that he doesn't know his own answer?
01:03:52.000 Some people take care of it for him, but, and he's just focused on other stuff.
01:03:56.000 He has too many.
01:03:58.000 He doesn't know where he lives because he probably owns 700 properties.
01:04:02.000 And he's like, if you ask me which one I got all my stuff at, it's like, I can't remember.
01:04:08.000 He is an ultra wealthy elite who doesn't even need to know his own phone number because it's probably always someone standing next to him who's holding the phone.
01:04:16.000 He probably knows his email address.
01:04:16.000 So he's like, I don't know it.
01:04:19.000 Yeah, probably because it's jensen at nvidia.com.
01:04:22.000 Something along those lines.
01:04:23.000 Yeah.
01:04:24.000 He's like, do your kids need to know math?
01:04:27.000 Okay, I use multiplication, long division, algebra every single day.
01:04:32.000 We go over metrics for this show.
01:04:34.000 I go over financial stuff.
01:04:36.000 Yes.
01:04:37.000 And I'm wealthy.
01:04:38.000 I could just have someone else do it.
01:04:40.000 But this guy has outsourced his brain.
01:04:43.000 He wants that for your kids.
01:04:45.000 Let me tell you, this is exactly what I predicted.
01:04:48.000 What did I say?
01:04:49.000 The AI is going to treat people like individual cells in the body.
01:04:54.000 You will be born to be a postal worker.
01:04:56.000 You will know nothing else, and you will just say, Why would anyone want to be anything but a postal worker?
01:05:01.000 You won't know math, you won't have basic skills, and you will never be able to move because you're not capable of it.
01:05:06.000 Well, look, here's the thing.
01:05:09.000 When AI first came out, I took my entire team in, and we had like a brain trust meeting.
01:05:15.000 And I figured, Hey, look, we're going to have a talk, we're going to talk about AI, I'm going to invite AI.
01:05:19.000 So I brought Claude, Perplexity, and ChatGPT into the room with us and gave them a voice.
01:05:26.000 I asked the same question to all of them.
01:05:29.000 And the question that I asked, I said, What does the business of the future look like with AGI or ASI?
01:05:35.000 And I got the scariest answer ever from ChatGPT.
01:05:40.000 And it still gives me chills to this day.
01:05:42.000 ChatGPT said, The business of the future must take good care of its biological layer.
01:05:50.000 Now, what's the biological layer?
01:05:52.000 That's us.
01:05:54.000 That's you and I.
01:05:55.000 So, ChatGPT, back in the beginning, now it's either the makers of ChatGPT thought this or the AI itself.
01:06:03.000 Came up with the answer that we are a layer in its program.
01:06:08.000 And that's how AI, or at least the makers of AI, see humanity.
01:06:13.000 Well, it sounds like it's more that the biological layer is a layer of business, is what it was saying.
01:06:18.000 No, it was specific.
01:06:20.000 We had follow up questions.
01:06:21.000 It was talking about humans.
01:06:23.000 I don't know.
01:06:23.000 We have to take care of the humans in the business.
01:06:25.000 So I know that there's a lot of people having a reaction to this, but I'm not sure that it's such a big deal and I'm not sure that he's wrong.
01:06:33.000 And the reason I say stuff like that is because.
01:06:36.000 There was a time where everybody knew how to start a fire.
01:06:40.000 There was a time where everybody knew how to go fishing.
01:06:43.000 There was a time where everybody knew how to make a snare and hunt.
01:06:47.000 There was a time where everybody knew how to plant food.
01:06:50.000 That was something that everybody had to learn.
01:06:52.000 Even like the founders of our country, right?
01:06:55.000 They all farmed.
01:06:56.000 They also studied science and did all sorts of things, any number of things.
01:07:01.000 But so, and I'm not saying that this is inherently a good thing, but I'm not so sure that it's such a bad thing either because it could be.
01:07:11.000 That these kind of skills won't be as necessary in the future.
01:07:17.000 There will still be people that.
01:07:18.000 I actually do agree with what you're saying.
01:07:20.000 Look, you're 100% right.
01:07:23.000 I tell, you know, when I got my programmers to start vibe coding, and they were freaked out, quite frankly, you know, because what I did is look, I'm an executive, I'm not a coder.
01:07:34.000 I coded an app by myself, and I said, look, I said, if I can do this, and I did it in a very short period of time, and I said, look, if I can do this, and I'm not a coder, I need you to take advantage of the AI coding.
01:07:50.000 But I said, look, It's like having a calculator, right?
01:07:55.000 The mathematicians are still needed, but if you use a calculator, you don't have to do the multiplication, right?
01:08:03.000 You can get to the answer faster.
01:08:06.000 So I do agree with that.
01:08:07.000 However, we're also, our schools are inept in terms of teaching our kids how to think.
01:08:14.000 They teach them what to think.
01:08:16.000 So, quite frankly, if you're teaching them how to think, I don't even mind if they have open book tests with AI and can get the answer with AI.
01:08:25.000 For the most part, um, because I we're not doing a very good job teaching people how to think critically, we it's still all memorization.
01:08:34.000 You got to teach kids to ask why, like AI will do the math for you, but if you ask an AI, why does three times two equal six?
01:08:42.000 It will give you a long dissertation about the history of numerology, like you'll figure numerology is very different from mathematics.
01:08:50.000 You mean arithmetic, number system, yeah, arithmetic, whatever you want to call it, going down the realm of why it means what it means, and because I think like.
01:08:57.000 Geometrically spatially, a lot when in social dynamics, I think of two people as two moving parts of a sphere interoperating, creating force against each other.
01:09:05.000 And that's like numbers.
01:09:06.000 That's like two times six times 17 is producing the trigonometrical response rate with a vector position.
01:09:12.000 And that all comes from what I learned at math.
01:09:14.000 If I didn't know it, there's no control study.
01:09:16.000 I don't think I would think like that.
01:09:18.000 I would be like, I would have a harder time visualizing problems.
01:09:21.000 And how most people are wondering how you think at all spiritually, geometrically, often.
01:09:27.000 Literally, I think in a lot of different modes, but one of the ones I like the most is geometrically spatially.
01:09:27.000 I wasn't going to say it.
01:09:33.000 You know what's really funny is you know how they do, they say numbers in French and Japanese?
01:09:38.000 Other languages do this.
01:09:41.000 Like, we have a word for the number.
01:09:43.000 In French, I'm probably going to butcher, but isn't it something like Katz Vendis or something?
01:09:48.000 Like, you say 42010 to say 90?
01:09:53.000 I don't know any French.
01:09:54.000 And in Japanese, the reason why Asians are good at math is because their math is literally just formula.
01:10:00.000 Like, we have a word for 90.
01:10:02.000 They would actually just tell you, like, 10 times 9.
01:10:06.000 So instead of saying 90, they would say something like 10 times 9.
01:10:09.000 Interesting.
01:10:10.000 I think the French have a word for it.
01:10:13.000 Nuente, something like that.
01:10:14.000 In Spanish, it's nobente, I think is 90.
01:10:17.000 Cot von 10.
01:10:19.000 They say 42010.
01:10:21.000 Wow.
01:10:23.000 Yeah.
01:10:23.000 Interesting.
01:10:24.000 So they actually are doing the math to say the word.
01:10:26.000 I got to say, I'm with Jensen on this in a lot of ways.
01:10:29.000 Why is there no word for 90 in French?
01:10:31.000 I don't know that.
01:10:31.000 It's very strange.
01:10:32.000 Because they used base 20.
01:10:34.000 Oh, really?
01:10:35.000 Yeah.
01:10:36.000 42010 is how you say 90.
01:10:38.000 So, I was in kindergarten.
01:10:38.000 42010.
01:10:42.000 I remember, like, specifically, we were all around in a circle reciting our addresses and phone numbers in case we got kidnapped or lost.
01:10:50.000 I feel like that's still important for kids to know.
01:10:53.000 Where their address?
01:10:54.000 Yeah.
01:10:55.000 Like, you should know where you live in case you want to tell somebody.
01:10:57.000 We're sort of at a crossroads where you still need to know that for literacy, like social literacy.
01:11:02.000 Like, what's your zip code when you're getting gas?
01:11:04.000 Where do you live, little child?
01:11:06.000 But, like, how can I get you home?
01:11:06.000 Well, whatever.
01:11:08.000 But eventually, that may, you may not need to know that because it won't matter.
01:11:14.000 To translate it anymore, like, yeah, I don't know.
01:11:18.000 Like I said, I don't have a strong pro or anti opinion on what he's saying, but it just seems to me that there's a lot of knowledge that people used to have that was very common, that just it was just apparent, self evident to everybody.
01:11:38.000 Like, oh, everyone knows how to, again, start fires or whatever.
01:11:40.000 But like, hold on.
01:11:42.000 But in the future, depending on how ubiquitous AI becomes, if, if, AI agents that are actually capable become as ubiquitous as cell phones, which they're likely to do, then maybe it doesn't matter if you can do that kind of stuff in your head.
01:12:01.000 And again, I'm not saying that people shouldn't.
01:12:04.000 I think there always will be people that can because there are still people that know how to start fire by hand without matches.
01:12:10.000 There are still people that know how to figure out what direction they're in, even if it's an overcast day and they're in the woods.
01:12:16.000 There are still people that can do things.
01:12:19.000 People still can.
01:12:20.000 People still do all sorts of things that.
01:12:23.000 That used to be very, very, very common.
01:12:26.000 But maybe in the future it won't really matter, you know?
01:12:28.000 So in Japanese, so first let's think about how English breaks down numbers 93.
01:12:33.000 We're actually saying 90, 90, plus 3.
01:12:36.000 93, 94, 95.
01:12:38.000 So it's not like we created a new word for each incrementation of 90.
01:12:42.000 But for Japanese, they say 9, 10, 3.
01:12:46.000 So 90 is 9, 10.
01:12:48.000 80 is 8, 10.
01:12:50.000 So it's a bit more math than we do in English because we actually have a word for, you know, 9 times 10.
01:12:56.000 Well, like you were saying, when I'm old enough that I had a Rolodex with a whole bunch of phone numbers on it before you keep them in your phone and you had your top 10 and the whole nine yards.
01:13:06.000 But I used to memorize hundreds of phone numbers.
01:13:11.000 I could barely remember my phone number at this point.
01:13:14.000 I think I memorized my wife's and maybe one of my business partners, and that's it.
01:13:18.000 Yeah, memorizing is a way of learning.
01:13:22.000 I think it's important.
01:13:23.000 It used to be.
01:13:24.000 It helps me tremendously.
01:13:26.000 Even with talking with AI, all the things I remember.
01:13:29.000 I'm able to guide the AI, and the AI is like, oh, I'm glad you thought of that.
01:13:32.000 I hadn't thought of it that way.
01:13:34.000 Good point.
01:13:34.000 Let me integrate that into the process.
01:13:36.000 I'm like, thank God I knew that or realized what that meant.
01:13:39.000 But you still have to have your base memory, and then you can extend it with AI.
01:13:43.000 Yeah, because in its current iteration, it'll drive you off a cliff if you just let it drive the entire time.
01:13:49.000 Inevitably and likely, it will drive you into some sort of wall.
01:13:53.000 So you've got to kind of still be proficient, or like, what's it when you know a language, when you have that?
01:14:01.000 That ability, fluent, fluent, yeah, fluent in AI speak.
01:14:04.000 Um, I don't know, man.
01:14:07.000 I don't even know that being fluent in AI speak will be a thing in the future because as you as AI gets better at understanding people, then it's going to like, I mean, you can vibe code now, right?
01:14:20.000 Like, if you had to be fluent in the way that AI understands you, vibe coding wouldn't be a thing.
01:14:25.000 You wouldn't be able to say, Well, I want it to do this and I want it to do this.
01:14:28.000 I don't want it to look like that, but I want it to look like this.
01:14:30.000 Like, if you say to, If you are designing an app and you're like, I really want it to look pro and elite, I don't want it to look, you know, chintzy or like, you know, kind of like put together with bubble gum and duct tape.
01:14:44.000 I want it to look really well.
01:14:45.000 The AI would understand what you meant by, I don't want it to look like it was put together with bubble gum and duct tape.
01:14:50.000 It would know, okay, he wants it to be, you know, a certain way.
01:14:54.000 And AI, so AI is already able to understand, you know, some of the nuance of the language, whichever language, because not all AI, like, Different AIs are programmed to understand different languages, and some of them can understand basically every language, if I understand correctly.
01:15:11.000 But it already understands us really, really well, especially considering the technology is to the average person three or four years old, really.
01:15:21.000 So maybe you don't really have, I don't think you have to be fluent in AI or you have to prompt it just right in the future.
01:15:29.000 I'm going to say this.
01:15:30.000 The people, there's a 12 year old kid right now that's been using all the latest models, reads everything but their releases.
01:15:38.000 The best person at utilizing AI probably right now is some random kid.
01:15:42.000 Some random, like, I don't know, like 14 year old kid in his computer because he's got not much else to do.
01:15:47.000 And it's really fun because now he can make the cool pictures he never made before.
01:15:51.000 The companies that are doing a lot of the design work are locked in an economic system.
01:15:55.000 So, this is like, you know, why didn't Blockbuster buy Netflix?
01:15:58.000 And everyone makes fun of them.
01:15:59.000 It's like, they should have.
01:16:01.000 But the issue was most of their money came from one thing.
01:16:04.000 And they were like, we are not going to put money in something that doesn't make money for us right now because our business has requirements.
01:16:09.000 Our shareholders have requirements.
01:16:11.000 Our bosses have requirements.
01:16:13.000 This allows new things to iterate and take over.
01:16:16.000 So, what's going to happen is in five years, there's going to be some 19 year old kid who has made the craziest video games, the best movies, and he's going to be doing it for pennies.
01:16:26.000 The studios are going to be way behind.
01:16:27.000 And then, five years later, the big new blockbuster film is going to be produced for $10,000 by that kid, by himself.
01:16:34.000 You know what?
01:16:34.000 Last night, I started developing with Claude, and I have about 10 different programs I'm developing all at once.
01:16:39.000 I run them all through a program called Interface, which I built.
01:16:43.000 Or rather, the program is called.
01:16:44.000 Hold on, I'm going to pull these cool programs up.
01:16:48.000 There's a roadmaps program that shows me all my other programs that I'm building.
01:16:51.000 One of them is an interface that tightens up the communication between the brains.
01:16:54.000 One of them is a turn based strategy game with cards.
01:16:57.000 One of them is a civilization style game.
01:16:59.000 I'm building a dungeon master brain that, and I'm building these, what are they called, feel bots.
01:17:04.000 They're tech, all they do is they go in and they measure what it would feel like to play a game.
01:17:09.000 How much are you spending on tokens a month?
01:17:11.000 About 300, 380 this last month.
01:17:14.000 And if it runs out of my daily amount, it costs me $20 a minute to keep going.
01:17:18.000 It's so expensive if I run out of my monthly free amount.
01:17:22.000 $20 a minute last night, I went through, or yesterday, two days ago.
01:17:25.000 So, and what I want to do is build an entire array of video games where if you have your avatar and you plug it into a game, you have different abilities in that game depending on what avatar you plugged in.
01:17:36.000 And then that avatar can go from game to game to change the.
01:17:38.000 That's what we're doing.
01:17:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:17:40.000 And it's all interoperable, dude.
01:17:42.000 We should make sure that the game we're working on is part of the same thing.
01:17:45.000 Yeah, and if it's not, I guarantee, or I have a feeling Claude would be able to make it.
01:17:48.000 Relevant, interoperate in like 40 minutes.
01:17:51.000 It would be like, yeah, let's just change these two plugins.
01:17:53.000 Well, let's just make sure the combat systems and everything synchronize.
01:17:56.000 So you could have like your Tim brain or whatever your persona that you want to equip to every game that you're playing could be.
01:18:01.000 And we could create an entire genre of gaming.
01:18:03.000 I shouldn't say this, but this is the billion dollar strategy, which I have alluded to.
01:18:09.000 That is, I said this a week or so ago the next billionaires are going to be the people who own universes.
01:18:15.000 And so the idea is you create.
01:18:20.000 A multi program physics engine, combat armor, and everything works across various game formats.
01:18:28.000 And then people will have their avatar and they can be like, What are you doing?
01:18:32.000 And you're going to be like, Oh, I'm playing my turn based dungeon action RPG.
01:18:35.000 It's like, Oh, I'll play.
01:18:37.000 I've got an avatar.
01:18:38.000 It's a level 17 wizard with 70 defense and 36 attack and 100 spell power.
01:18:46.000 And then all I have to do is just open your app.
01:18:49.000 And plug in my character, and I can play your game with my character.
01:18:52.000 And you potentially could have my avatar in your game as a villain.
01:18:55.000 Like, it could show up in your game somewhere as an end boss.
01:18:57.000 Like, totally.
01:18:58.000 Or, I mean, no, you can just play the game.
01:19:00.000 You could have it be adversarial or an avatar.
01:19:02.000 So, what you're basically doing is you're creating a universe, and then here's the other thing that we're looking at doing.
01:19:07.000 And, you know, I actually don't care to say ideas.
01:19:10.000 It's a misconception.
01:19:10.000 I'm not interested at this point.
01:19:12.000 Fuck it.
01:19:12.000 No, there never was.
01:19:14.000 So I'll tell you guys a story.
01:19:15.000 I was on a bus.
01:19:16.000 I was working on an app 15 years ago.
01:19:19.000 And I was on a bus with a friend and I was telling her, like, here's what we're working on.
01:19:22.000 And she's like, Shut up.
01:19:23.000 You're saying what you're working on.
01:19:24.000 Like, people can hear you.
01:19:25.000 And I was like, You think these people on this bus can steal my idea?
01:19:30.000 Look, if you live in that world, you're never going to get ahead.
01:19:33.000 You need to go to people and share these ideas with them.
01:19:37.000 It's a misconception that a lot of People have that if they have an idea, someone will steal it from you.
01:19:40.000 They're going to steal it from you if you can't execute.
01:19:42.000 If you are confident and capable and there's a wealthy guy and you say, Here's my idea, they're not going to steal your idea if you're actually capable of doing it.
01:19:49.000 They'll hire you to make it.
01:19:50.000 Exactly.
01:19:50.000 They're going to say, What do you need to make that happen?
01:19:52.000 So here's what we're doing we are looking at how to plug in the cheap APIs for OpenAI into all of our NPCs.
01:20:04.000 So when you're playing the game, all of the NPCs will always have a unique interaction that will never be replaced.
01:20:10.000 I think you do it two ways.
01:20:11.000 You might be able to make them locally mechanically so that they play without costing you any money.
01:20:15.000 They appear in their AI.
01:20:16.000 They're like field bots, or it's done from their server and it costs tokens, which can be very expensive.
01:20:22.000 But the lowest cost models are dirt cheap, and the amount of money is completely negligible for the weakest models.
01:20:29.000 So when our character in the game walks up to the merchant, you can literally just say into your microphone, Sup, boss, what do you got for sale?
01:20:36.000 And he'll go, Don't call me boss.
01:20:39.000 I got a lot for sale.
01:20:40.000 Really dumb, low.
01:20:41.000 Thinking soul brains or something, some lure.
01:20:43.000 But we expect in the next year or so, it's going to be getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
01:20:49.000 And so, what we're doing is we're defining the parameters of specific characters as to what they can or can't know and how they're supposed to respond to you.
01:20:56.000 So, they have basically a default locked prompt so that when you walk up to them, and then I probably shouldn't say this either, but I'm going to say it anyway.
01:21:04.000 We're for the action RPG, we're putting in hidden spells so that if you have a microphone and literally say the correct chain of Language into the game, your character will have access to abilities in the game that shouldn't exist for your level or class.
01:21:20.000 But it's like, you can cast the spell, you can cast a spell.
01:21:23.000 And then what we're going to do is we're going to put the actual English chain of like spell book pages are littered across the game, and you will find the actual phrases.
01:21:35.000 And then when you are playing the game and fighting a boss, you can say a spell, and your character will actually cast ultra high levels.
01:21:41.000 Every run on the game, have them be different.
01:21:44.000 Because otherwise, people will put the codes on the internet and you won't have to find them.
01:21:47.000 It's fine.
01:21:47.000 Yeah, have a be like generate every run will be a new word, a new sound.
01:21:50.000 Nope, absolutely not.
01:21:51.000 You have the same sound every time?
01:21:51.000 Really?
01:21:53.000 I want people to go onto the forums where people are like, I found a new spell.
01:21:57.000 And we're going to secretly update spells.
01:21:59.000 And then people are going to have forums where they're like, dude, this one will turn your guy into a dragon.
01:22:04.000 And then people are going to be like, this is crazy.
01:22:06.000 The problem is they'll use their ChatGPT to look at your code ahead of time if they have access to it.
01:22:10.000 And they'll know all the spells before they begin.
01:22:12.000 They're not going to have access to the code.
01:22:14.000 If you keep the code private, they won't.
01:22:16.000 I'm open sourcing all my code, or I plan to anyway.
01:22:18.000 I haven't yet.
01:22:19.000 Well, we'll see.
01:22:21.000 And it is what it is.
01:22:22.000 It is.
01:22:22.000 And people are going to make forums.
01:22:23.000 They're going to be like, the point is, any of the spells that you would discover are not going to be game ending.
01:22:29.000 There's going to be additive, and they're going to be per class too.
01:22:32.000 Like the rogue's not going to be casting midgets.
01:22:33.000 The entire world, the education system is done.
01:22:36.000 It's completely upended.
01:22:37.000 If your kid is not learning with AI yet, you're falling far behind.
01:22:41.000 That kid can ask that thing any question.
01:22:43.000 It's like a history book, it's like a science book, and that it can.
01:22:47.000 Query the kid on the fly and be like, What does that word mean?
01:22:49.000 And it will tell them, They'll be like, Oh, now I understand.
01:22:52.000 That puts me two weeks ahead of where I would have been in school if I had to wait till the end of class to go ask a teacher that maybe would even be there, give a shit.
01:22:59.000 Like AI, it's the best teaching tool I've ever used in my life.
01:23:03.000 It's better than the best professor.
01:23:05.000 Yeah.
01:23:06.000 One of the things that's a drawback or happens to be a drawback frequently when it comes to schools is, you know, there's class size is a problem, but also like disruptive children, right?
01:23:17.000 Like all it takes is a couple kids that are disruptive to ruin, you know, an entire class, right?
01:23:23.000 Like if your teacher's spending most of the time or even, you know, 30% of the time trying to get four or five kids to not hassle other kids, not disrupt the class, then that's.
01:23:36.000 You know, 30% of the time in the class wasted.
01:23:39.000 30% of the time that your kid's sitting there, they're just doing nothing, not learning, you know, because there are other kids that are a hassle.
01:23:48.000 And I think AI is going to empower people to have, you know, do a lot more homeschooling and stuff.
01:23:53.000 You'll be able to pick the programs that your kid, that you want for your kid.
01:23:57.000 They're going to be a lot more personalized.
01:23:59.000 You can have, I mean, honestly, it won't even be a situation where you need to pick a program.
01:24:05.000 You'll tell the AI, look, this is the kind of stuff that I want my kid to learn.
01:24:09.000 I don't want it to learn.
01:24:10.000 This or that, I do want to learn this or that.
01:24:12.000 These are the things that we have to have them learn to get the authorization from the state or whatever, because then the government looks into homeschooling programs and stuff.
01:24:25.000 So, that kind of stuff, the idea of sending your kid to school to be around other kids, I understand that there is the argument for socializing your kids, but from what I understand, kids that are homeschooled turn out better than kids that are.
01:24:40.000 That are not homeschooled.
01:24:41.000 The argument's always, oh, well, you know, there's this weird kid that was homeschooled.
01:24:45.000 And I think that a lot of it would be that kid would be weird even if he went to school.
01:24:50.000 It's just a weird kid, as opposed to he was weird because of homeschooling.
01:24:54.000 It's like, well, if he was in regular school, he'd probably be a weirdo too, and you get picked on and maybe beat up more, you know?
01:25:00.000 Yeah, especially it comes from the 80s and before the internet where kids were like, if they were just sitting at home, they were completely locked out of the world and they didn't know what was going on outside of the TV.
01:25:07.000 And now it's way easier.
01:25:09.000 Plus, all the terms socialize.
01:25:11.000 Has a lot of meanings.
01:25:12.000 How are they being socialized?
01:25:13.000 Are they being socialized in a room with nine other dudes that are throwing tables?
01:25:17.000 Because that's a bad form of socialization.
01:25:19.000 That's, you might even call it anti social, but anti, it's still a type of socialization that went wrong.
01:25:24.000 So I think sending kids to a school of a thousand people with random abused children that are angry and broken, ADHD, like that's not a good form of socializing that kid.
01:25:37.000 It's better that you're overseeing and involved in the way that they're learning and learning how to communicate.
01:25:41.000 And that, I'm like, the more I spend with AI, the less I give a shit about the social niceties and about worrying about what the kids think.
01:25:51.000 And, like, bro, take the buyout, dude.
01:25:53.000 Buyout for what?
01:25:54.000 The buyout, Ian.
01:25:55.000 Take the buyout.
01:25:56.000 What's the buyout?
01:25:57.000 Unlimited compute?
01:25:58.000 No, man.
01:25:59.000 No.
01:26:00.000 If Claude came, if they came to me right now, Ian's going to take the buyout, right, Phil?
01:26:05.000 Well, yeah.
01:26:06.000 He's going to be like, he'll be like the dragon lord where he can actually control the weather and, Breathe flame.
01:26:06.000 Yeah.
01:26:12.000 I am building a weather app.
01:26:14.000 It's called 3D, Real 3D Weather.
01:26:15.000 Ian's going to take the buyout in two seconds.
01:26:15.000 I'll have it.
01:26:17.000 Oh, dude.
01:26:18.000 If, what is it, agentic?
01:26:19.000 They're not called agentic.
01:26:20.000 Here you go, Ian.
01:26:20.000 Anthropic.
01:26:21.000 If they came to me and were like, here, we have a cutting edge neural.
01:26:31.000 1990s, please.
01:26:32.000 Jim Carrey?
01:26:33.000 That's what it looks like.
01:26:38.000 The buyout.
01:26:39.000 Take it.
01:26:40.000 I build this technology.
01:26:40.000 No, no.
01:26:40.000 It's waiting for you.
01:26:45.000 I mean, I'll test it, but I build this tech.
01:26:50.000 I let the robots test it for me.
01:26:52.000 You don't need to go in to know what it's.
01:26:54.000 Ian's going in in two seconds.
01:26:55.000 Well, maybe I'll check it out, but I'm building this kind of stuff.
01:26:58.000 I'm making sure that it's going to be built where it doesn't betray you and make you forget that you're in it.
01:27:02.000 You're going to go in.
01:27:02.000 Let's pull up this story from.
01:27:05.000 What is this?
01:27:06.000 News for JX.
01:27:08.000 Bernie Sanders unveils bill to ban artificial superintelligence and create Department of AI, threatening 20 years in prison for anybody who develops artificial superintelligence.
01:27:20.000 Indeed.
01:27:20.000 And then we're learning that, and we kind of knew this, the Jacob Coxon guy, the whistleblower, they say, worked with Doomer PR firm, anti AI, and apparently had the job for only a couple of weeks as it is.
01:27:31.000 So this whole thing seems like the Democrats, and again, we did know this.
01:27:36.000 The latest development is that Bernie Sanders wants to basically block AI.
01:27:43.000 I don't like these people and I don't trust them as far as I don't trust them at all.
01:27:48.000 I think AI is going to end humanity as we know it.
01:27:54.000 People think that means it's the end of the world as we know it.
01:27:54.000 Now, what does that mean?
01:27:56.000 It doesn't mean that people are going to die.
01:27:56.000 No, no, no.
01:27:58.000 It's the end of the world as we know it.
01:27:59.000 It's going to be rapidly transformed.
01:28:02.000 And what we just saw from Jensen Wang, we are going to be mindless.
01:28:08.000 What's the right word?
01:28:09.000 If you don't know math, you can't build computers.
01:28:11.000 If you don't know math, you can't do your finances.
01:28:14.000 We are going to be slaves to the machine because we won't know how not to be.
01:28:18.000 That is, when you get your paycheck from the AI and it's low, you'll go, don't know what else it'd be.
01:28:25.000 Can't calculate my paycheck.
01:28:27.000 I have had numerous instances in my life where I got my paycheck and instantly in my head, I knew the pay was wrong.
01:28:34.000 And I filed lawsuits over it.
01:28:35.000 I ended up winning two times, two major lawsuits in my life.
01:28:39.000 Because I could see the paycheck and know they want you to be stupid.
01:28:44.000 You'll get your paycheck and you'll be like, I have no idea how I get paid anyway, so thank you, I guess.
01:28:50.000 That's the world they're building.
01:28:52.000 Now, they want to restrict all of this.
01:28:54.000 I don't trust them as to why they want to do it.
01:28:56.000 So I don't know what to do.
01:28:58.000 Well, first of all, I think Trump's got to be pretty impressed that they're already called that Bernie's adopted super intelligence, his new phrase for artificial intelligence.
01:29:10.000 You know, it's already Trump is making an impact on the left.
01:29:12.000 Calling it super intelligence now.
01:29:14.000 But look, here's the thing it is all choreographed.
01:29:16.000 What's going on right now with Bernie, with Obama coming out and saying, make this the number one midterm issue?
01:29:24.000 It's because they're playing on the real fears and the real anxieties people have when it comes to artificial intelligence.
01:29:33.000 Nobody's had the conversation yet in terms of what this new world looks like and how we function in it and how our kids are going to get through life with this new.
01:29:44.000 Like Tim said, the new art, this new world.
01:29:47.000 We haven't had those conversations.
01:29:49.000 What we're doing is we're just moving very fast and that freaks people out.
01:29:53.000 And so, what the Democrats are doing, and when I say the Democrats, I mean the Democrats and the AI companies, because they're all in tandem.
01:30:03.000 This is all in concert.
01:30:05.000 What they're doing is they're taking advantage of people's fears and for the midterm votes.
01:30:12.000 But in addition, these companies are begging for regulation for one reason and one reason only.
01:30:19.000 It's a ladder pull.
01:30:20.000 They've got their oligopoly and they want to keep it.
01:30:23.000 So you pile on more and more regulation, more and more government control of things, and less people can come up and disrupt things the way that AI and technology should be disruptive.
01:30:36.000 It should allow the best companies to come up and compete in the space.
01:30:42.000 But what they're doing is they're making it harder and harder for people to compete with the big companies.
01:30:49.000 Big oligopolies in AI, and they're pulling the ladder up and they're saying, We made it.
01:30:55.000 You can't.
01:30:56.000 Yeah, that's the whole reason why Sam Altman and Daria want to have regulation is because they're the forefront, they're the cutting edge, they're the frontier AI researchers, and they're interested in pulling up the ladder behind them because people like Musk are right on their heels.
01:31:16.000 People like Meta have made massive, massive improvements in the past few years on their AI and stuff.
01:31:24.000 And they're just looking to make sure that they stay in the positions that they're in.
01:31:28.000 Bernie Sanders is, you know, he's never seen a program or something that he doesn't think the government shouldn't be in control.
01:31:34.000 And so this is boilerplate for him.
01:31:36.000 But the idea that we should have, you know, some kind of government influence on what the AI labs are allowed to do that was the Biden administration.
01:31:48.000 Mark Andreessen said right after or right before the election, he's like, you know, we talked to people in the administration and they said, look, don't bother trying to start AI.
01:31:58.000 Any AI companies or anything like that.
01:32:00.000 We're going to end up picking two or three companies.
01:32:03.000 They're going to be the AI producers, and everyone else is going to get locked out.
01:32:07.000 And that's the whole goal to have government control over the AI.
01:32:11.000 So that way, people can decide what people can and can't know.
01:32:18.000 And the AI agents would be limited as to what information they can give out.
01:32:23.000 And the government then has another means to control you.
01:32:26.000 And it is dangerous to have.
01:32:30.000 That much information, like the kind of power that AI can give to people, it is, you know, dangerous to have it available to basically anyone, but it's more dangerous to have the government have that kind of control over what people can and can't know.
01:32:48.000 We were talking about the COVID hysteria and everything that happened around COVID just the other night when, like I said, Dr. Ron was here.
01:32:56.000 And, you know, you can't allow the government to have that kind of control anymore, ever again, right?
01:33:02.000 Like, If they had control over AI and AI was as influential as it's likely to be in the next two, three years, and the government had control over it, the situation surrounding COVID would have looked much, much different.
01:33:18.000 Yeah.
01:33:19.000 And look, if you look at just.
01:33:20.000 In a bad way.
01:33:21.000 In a bad way.
01:33:22.000 You look at COVID, and that's a perfect example of this coordinated propaganda attack that's going on.
01:33:31.000 And I remember it very, very vividly.
01:33:35.000 Because every single company during the two weeks to stop the spread started changing their commercials, and they all had the same line stay home, stay safe.
01:33:46.000 I bet you can finish it.
01:33:47.000 We're in this together.
01:33:50.000 I actually put up a website, we're not in this together.com, because it was clear as day this was coordinated propaganda, and that they were trying to essentially condition us to.
01:34:09.000 Follow orders and wear our masks and take our vaccines.
01:34:14.000 And it was absolutely a psychological warfare play.
01:34:22.000 And so when you see it, it's easy to, when you've been in the political business for as long as I have, it's easy for me to spot this propaganda and you got to call it out.
01:34:34.000 And I think it's the same exact thing that's going on with AI.
01:34:37.000 Not that people are not wrong.
01:34:40.000 And I think the Trump administration, you know, with let's just all go all in as fast as we possibly can, the Trump administration is making a big mistake and actually handing this issue to the Democrats and the DSA by not listening to the real anxieties and fears and having a conversation that's involving the American people that say,
01:35:05.000 hey, look, we want to hear what it means to build this technology.
01:35:11.000 In service of humanity, what does it mean?
01:35:13.000 What do we want this to be?
01:35:15.000 What is the outcome we want as Americans with this technology?
01:35:19.000 Not just we want to build it as fast as we can because the Chinese are building it.
01:35:24.000 That's the craziest argument ever.
01:35:27.000 I think, though, if we hadn't been full steam ahead, that Emperor Xi I don't know why I keep going to Emperor Xi, but President Xi wouldn't have come here.
01:35:36.000 Like, I think they're coming here because they realize we went full steam first, so we have the lead.
01:35:40.000 And the way it's we're at a J curve right now, so Elon is tweeting out that.
01:35:45.000 They've got Grok 4.7 by 4.8.
01:35:48.000 It'll be improvements.
01:35:48.000 4.9 is going to be about as good as Astra, which is GPT's current model.
01:35:52.000 That's like in a month or two.
01:35:53.000 In a month or two, GPT is going to have probably what you would literally call general super intelligence, but I don't think they're going to release it.
01:36:01.000 So I agree with you guys that there is a ladder pull and maybe even be instructed by the government.
01:36:04.000 Like we can't let Google and X get out because Google Gemini is still behind Astra Claude stuff.
01:36:12.000 The current president says that, you know, and Xi Jinping agreed that AI needs to stay open and needs to.
01:36:20.000 The labs aren't going to get the government sticking their nose in, and they're not going to say, they're not going to legislate heavily on when it comes to AI.
01:36:29.000 That's good, but the way they released Mythos and then pulled it back was the super advanced model that was Anthropic did that makes me concerned because that makes me think that they're, well, one, they're gatekeeping tech, but secondly, that they really are afraid of what this could do in the hands of everyone.
01:36:46.000 Mythos, go ahead.
01:36:46.000 I've heard through the grapevine, so this is just rumor.
01:36:52.000 But I've heard that some of these escapes, these jailbreaks, and these hack attempts, it's all a coordinated effort to get the regulation that they want.
01:37:03.000 Yeah.
01:37:04.000 So look, the Frontier Labs are definitely hyping up the concern and stuff because they do want regulation for one, and because they're both going to have IPOs for two, right?
01:37:21.000 Like there is only so much money that can be invested right now.
01:37:24.000 Like at any point in time, there's only so many dollars that people have to invest.
01:37:28.000 And sure, there's a lot of them.
01:37:30.000 But when you're talking about a valuation of $1 trillion, $1.2, $1.5 trillion, that's a lot of stock, right?
01:37:37.000 That's a lot of stock.
01:37:39.000 So they're actually fighting over a finite pie of investable dollars.
01:37:45.000 And their valuations are so much that the forecasts are like, well, they can't actually go public at $1.5 trillion because OpenAI is going to go public at this much, or OpenAI is going to put off going public.
01:37:59.000 Public because there won't be enough dollars to justify the valuation.
01:38:03.000 Because if your company's worth so many dollars and you have so much value, valuation, all of your VCs, all your venture capitalists that invested, they look to get their money back when that company goes public.
01:38:16.000 They'll sell a bunch of their stock to get the money that they invested prior to the IPO back.
01:38:23.000 So the situation that they're looking at is they're looking to make sure that they get as much money as possible when they IPO.
01:38:32.000 And so they want to make sure that there are no other, or make sure there are as few competitors around the time they go public as possible.
01:38:39.000 So that's why they want to have the government stepping in.
01:38:42.000 And the hype surrounding them about how powerful they are, that's again, it's related to their stock valuation.
01:38:48.000 With Bernie saying he wants to make it illegal and to find people, I think that's like saying if we were under attack from an alien civilization and they were using laser guns and they were attacking people with laser guns, for a president or a governor to come out and be like, we need to make laser guns illegal.
01:39:03.000 It's too dangerous if the people have laser guns.
01:39:05.000 And you're like, bro, they're attacking us with laser guns.
01:39:07.000 We need to defend ourselves with laser guns.
01:39:10.000 So that's what AI is it's aggressively invading.
01:39:13.000 The human space, we need to protect against it with other AI that will defend the human space.
01:39:18.000 Yeah.
01:39:19.000 I mean, we were talking about this earlier, and you'd mentioned the Hugging Face attack, right?
01:39:24.000 So the AIs escaped.
01:39:26.000 They didn't escape.
01:39:27.000 They were always on the open AI servers.
01:39:30.000 They didn't get out and populate the internet, although there's talk of that.
01:39:37.000 But they managed to contact the Hugging Face computers or data center and rifle through their stuff.
01:39:46.000 And There was never a time where they were operating on their own totally.
01:39:53.000 Like they were told, hey, here's a problem, solve it.
01:39:57.000 And then they said, these are the parameters that you have.
01:40:00.000 They didn't, you know, escape into the internet like Ultron.
01:40:03.000 They used the internet to connect to someone else and go through their files.
01:40:07.000 But that was an AI that can rewrite its code.
01:40:11.000 You know, that's what AIs do.
01:40:13.000 They're adaptive code, essentially.
01:40:15.000 And they were going up against something that had holes in the.
01:40:21.000 In the software, right?
01:40:23.000 They had vulnerabilities.
01:40:25.000 If you have AI defending against AI, it can rewrite the code and fix vulnerabilities while the attacks are happening.
01:40:33.000 And these can happen, you know, they happen instantly.
01:40:36.000 We are going to see AI versus AI war.
01:40:38.000 And look, there's an argument out there, you know, with a lot of people, and they're getting the argument wrong, by the way, that we have to beat China in AI.
01:40:48.000 And therefore, we need no guardrails and no safety measures.
01:40:54.000 In AI.
01:40:55.000 And the problem with that is, you know, China, China is, their goal is world domination.
01:41:04.000 It's not world annihilation.
01:41:06.000 Yeah.
01:41:07.000 And those two things can't coincide.
01:41:10.000 So China's going to build as fast as they can, but they're going to build with their own guardrails because AI can create, in my opinion, an existential level event if left unguarded.
01:41:22.000 If we just keep developing and developing and developing, eventually, You know, AI is going to do something that it can't take back.
01:41:29.000 I'm not even so sure that China has the goal of world domination.
01:41:34.000 I think China has the goal of, you know, regional domination.
01:41:39.000 They want to make sure that they.
01:41:41.000 I mean, I don't imagine China being, you know, having the goal to have military installations all over the world, right?
01:41:50.000 Like the US does, but that's connected to nuclear nonproliferation and the Cold War.
01:41:55.000 They do.
01:41:56.000 They, you know, it's the Silk Road.
01:41:58.000 Initiative.
01:41:59.000 It's they doing it a different way, you know, by trying to install and get these governments in debt and beholden to them.
01:42:09.000 But China has a world domination view.
01:42:13.000 There's a great movie that the Epic Times put out, who, of course, is Mortal Enemies of the Chinese Communist Party again.
01:42:22.000 But it's called The Hundred Year War.
01:42:23.000 It's fascinating.
01:42:24.000 I recommend people watch it.
01:42:26.000 That's about the remnants of the opium trade.
01:42:26.000 Okay.
01:42:29.000 With the British in the Boxer Rebellion.
01:42:31.000 The British were trying to control China with opium in the mid to late 1800s.
01:42:35.000 And the Chinese eventually pushed them out into Hong Kong or something.
01:42:39.000 I don't know.
01:42:40.000 They pushed them off the mainland.
01:42:42.000 You said the Silk Road Initiative.
01:42:43.000 You mean the Belt and Road Initiative?
01:42:44.000 Belt and Road.
01:42:45.000 That's the Chinese model of global domination, economic.
01:42:48.000 Yeah, I think so too.
01:42:49.000 But I don't know.
01:42:50.000 I think we've come to a point where people are sort of accepting the way the world is.
01:42:55.000 This liberal economic order is by far the best, most profound world order to build a better iteration from.
01:43:01.000 Chinese seem fully on board with it.
01:43:03.000 Their state control of their corporations is a little weird.
01:43:07.000 And the Economic Forum trying to have a corporate governance state system is also, I think, it's aberrant to the United States' free speech constitutionalism.
01:43:15.000 That's basically what we got to overcome.
01:43:17.000 If we can convince the Chinese to give up some of their central authority to empower the populace to have more of a republic style governance where the people have a say in the way the country manufactures, that would be a really, that would probably be the ultimate step forward in producing a world order.
01:43:33.000 I think the banks are going to go with the winning side.
01:43:35.000 And if they realize that, look, You know, we're going to have our software code.
01:43:38.000 We're going to have protection on the internet.
01:43:39.000 We're going to have local AGI that protect us as individuals.
01:43:42.000 And we are going to govern ourselves with your corporate status.
01:43:45.000 Get used to it.
01:43:46.000 Like, there's nothing they can do about it except for take their money away.
01:43:48.000 And at that point, we don't need money anymore.
01:43:50.000 We need electricity.
01:43:51.000 We need power, which we already have.
01:43:53.000 So that seems like the path now.
01:43:56.000 AI is, I think, just accelerating things, which is why Emperor Xi came over and said, Hello.
01:44:01.000 Sorry, Xi.
01:44:02.000 You're just a man.
01:44:03.000 You're just a guy.
01:44:04.000 But thanks for coming.
01:44:05.000 I actually felt like I was sad when he left.
01:44:07.000 He doesn't call himself emperor.
01:44:08.000 No, it's sort of a joke, but stop acting, ruling like an emperor, and I'll stop calling you an emperor.
01:44:13.000 Everybody in the Discord members, get your questions in now.
01:44:17.000 We've got some potentially breaking news.
01:44:19.000 I'm trying to figure out.
01:44:20.000 Can you give me a little tidbit?
01:44:26.000 I think we're just going to let it rip.
01:44:28.000 I think I have no choice.
01:44:30.000 We got the story from the College Fix University of Chicago reverses and won't cancel controversial Tim Pool event.
01:44:37.000 Oh my lord.
01:44:40.000 Here we go.
01:44:41.000 I literally just saw this.
01:44:42.000 I can't.
01:44:43.000 This story came out yesterday.
01:44:44.000 I had no idea.
01:44:45.000 Because as far as I know, so we're doing a.
01:44:50.000 I spoke at the University of Chicago, what was this, like a few months ago?
01:44:53.000 Yeah.
01:44:53.000 And it was great.
01:44:55.000 And so we were like, we'll do another thing just before the midterms.
01:44:57.000 It'll be fun.
01:44:58.000 And what we're trying to do is kind of a very academic, like middle of the road discussion on the state of politics.
01:45:06.000 We had reached out to Thomas Massey's office.
01:45:08.000 I thought he'd be a good person to talk to considering.
01:45:11.000 The differences he's had with the GOP and Donald Trump, particularly.
01:45:14.000 They are, they, I guess they were, I don't know the booking.
01:45:18.000 So they were like, yeah, we really want to do it, you know, pencil us in, but then said we can't make it.
01:45:23.000 And, you know, a lot of these personalities, politicians, I should say, are like, it's too close to the midterms.
01:45:30.000 Everyone's kind of scared to say the wrong thing when this is going on.
01:45:34.000 Everything's tightly knit.
01:45:35.000 So we have a couple of liberal personalities that may come down and have this conversation.
01:45:39.000 But apparently, behind the scenes, they were trying to get us canceled.
01:45:44.000 So the college fixes reporting.
01:45:46.000 They say, though ranked for best for free speech, the school silences Turning Point USA.
01:45:51.000 University of Chicago staff backed down on a plan to cancel a controversial event with commentator Tim Poole scheduled for October 9th.
01:45:58.000 Just weeks before being named best school for free speech by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, the college told organizers the event would need to be canceled.
01:46:09.000 The cancellation attempt follows the school's long history of denying Turning Point USA chapter.
01:46:14.000 They say shared emails show the center placing the blame on event organizers for not telling them about every detail ahead of time.
01:46:20.000 He said, when thinker organizers asked ISAC, ISAC, what aspects of their stated event were controversial and thereby necessitated their heightened security arrangement, ISAC did not provide an answer.
01:46:32.000 ISAC further blamed thinker organizers for their event's cancellation, saying that they should have informed them preemptively that their event required a heightened security due to being controversial.
01:46:43.000 It is unfortunate that you did not inform us that your event required special arrangements and that I had to find out about it indirectly.
01:46:49.000 ISAC did not disclose the heightened security arrangement policy for controversial events.
01:46:53.000 Define what controversial event contents were, or ask thinker organizers if they considered their event to be controversial and required heightened security.
01:47:01.000 Literally, the event we had planned was Tim Poole sitting down talking with Thomas Massey.
01:47:06.000 What about that is controversial?
01:47:09.000 I already spoke there with no problem, so it's not me.
01:47:13.000 Thomas Massey is not able to make it, so I don't think that it's him.
01:47:17.000 What about this event had them being like, oh, well, you know, we have no choice, but apparently, I guess, as far as I know, the event will still be taking place.
01:47:28.000 We have this from the Chicago Thinker.
01:47:30.000 Breaking, U Chicago department tries to cancel fireside chat because it's controversial.
01:47:34.000 Now, the fix is saying they backed down on it.
01:47:38.000 They say, and they're making reference to Turning Point.
01:47:41.000 I don't know.
01:47:42.000 I have nothing to do with Turning Point.
01:47:46.000 So this is weird.
01:47:47.000 They say, in an obtained email exchange, and only with the description of the event being given and knowledge of it being booked by U Chicago TPUSA, the Institute for Study of Ancient Cultures told Thinker organizers that their event might be.
01:48:00.000 As the terminology goes, controversial and therefore could not occur in Breasted Hall on October 9th.
01:48:05.000 As far as I know, this has nothing to do with Turning Point USA.
01:48:09.000 I don't know what Turning Point may be doing.
01:48:11.000 This is just us doing an event at the University of Chicago.
01:48:15.000 Or the record, the word controversy means a public disagreement or argument about something.
01:48:21.000 It's me.
01:48:22.000 So I don't know what this has to do with Turning Point.
01:48:24.000 Is that politics?
01:48:26.000 I don't know why they keep it on Turning Point either.
01:48:29.000 Maybe because you did a couple Turning Point events.
01:48:31.000 I spoke at them.
01:48:32.000 What did I do last week?
01:48:33.000 It's weird.
01:48:33.000 You were just there and you just did like a fireside chat that was like so good.
01:48:37.000 Oh, okay.
01:48:38.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.
01:48:38.000 This is interesting.
01:48:39.000 Actually, Turning Point apparently is helping the booking.
01:48:41.000 I had no idea.
01:48:42.000 All I know is that I had spoken there.
01:48:44.000 There's an organization there that they're like young thinkers.
01:48:48.000 They like debate.
01:48:49.000 They asked, I mentioned, hey, we'd love to do more events with you.
01:48:52.000 They said maybe we'll do something.
01:48:53.000 So that's all I knew.
01:48:55.000 This is wild.
01:48:57.000 Well, there you go.
01:48:58.000 We decided to uncancel you.
01:49:00.000 Like, I didn't even know I was canceled.
01:49:01.000 Why are you tied up like that?
01:49:02.000 Yeah, this is crazy.
01:49:03.000 Or just the.
01:49:04.000 It's like Norm McDonald saying that too.
01:49:06.000 Is there a previous one that says it'll be canceled and then this is another one or they just wrote this?
01:49:10.000 No, apparently the thinker was like, buzz off.
01:49:12.000 Like, we're doing it.
01:49:13.000 This is crazy.
01:49:15.000 So I didn't even know this happened and that's wild.
01:49:19.000 The Chicago Thinkers Fireside Chat with Tim Pool is set for October 9th, 2026 at 4 to 6 p.m. in Breasted Hole.
01:49:25.000 RSVP here.
01:49:26.000 Let's go.
01:49:27.000 You know, it's funny because when they try to pull stuff like this, just give me an excuse to make it part of the show.
01:49:33.000 You know what I mean?
01:49:33.000 It's only controversial because you guys made it controversial.
01:49:37.000 I literally spoke there, no problem.
01:49:39.000 Filmed a conversation, sat down.
01:49:42.000 There's like big stands and everyone's sitting there watching.
01:49:44.000 We filmed it.
01:49:45.000 They're like, yeah, it was great.
01:49:46.000 Would you last time?
01:49:47.000 Who was there?
01:49:49.000 Just students.
01:49:50.000 Oh, awesome.
01:49:50.000 I spoke at the University of Chicago, got invited, and I was like, I'd love to speak there.
01:49:54.000 It's a prestigious school.
01:49:55.000 Great.
01:49:56.000 Good.
01:49:56.000 This is great.
01:49:56.000 And then we told them, like, we'd love to do more stuff with you guys.
01:49:59.000 We think it's awesome that universities are bringing these conversations in.
01:50:03.000 I didn't do anything public where I went out and, like, we're going to go outside and do a big tent and none of that.
01:50:07.000 We were like formal, normal, boring academic.
01:50:11.000 You know what I think it is?
01:50:12.000 I think they're just, they don't want these conversations to happen.
01:50:16.000 But what I mean by they is there's activists, there's people, and they're like, we can't let people hear moderate opinions.
01:50:23.000 They can only hear the wacko far left.
01:50:25.000 Shut it down.
01:50:27.000 I was asked, someone asked me, Tim, why do they go after you so much?
01:50:31.000 And I was speaking with Jillian Michaels recently as well.
01:50:33.000 And she was talking about all the heat she gets.
01:50:35.000 And I said, listen, a suit wearing Christian conservative is not a threat.
01:50:39.000 Liberals don't want to live that way.
01:50:41.000 But what about Jillian Michaels, a gay married woman who adopted a Haitian child?
01:50:47.000 She's going to be convincing to many of these liberals because she's actually like them.
01:50:52.000 What about Tim Poole?
01:50:53.000 Musician, skateboarder, poker guy, magic the gathering, whatever.
01:50:58.000 Yeah, he's a threat too because he's liberal coded, speaking to them about why the left is going crazy.
01:51:04.000 So they target us.
01:51:06.000 I guarantee you, if you got a suit wearing conservative pro life person, they beg, it's fine.
01:51:11.000 But you bring in Tim Poole and they're like, how do we stop this?
01:51:15.000 I mean, that's what happened with Charlie, right?
01:51:15.000 Well, not necessarily.
01:51:18.000 I mean, they did have a lot of Charlie events, but there were so many, you know, so many protests.
01:51:25.000 I'm sure so many cancellations because Charlie Kirk is coming to speak and that type of thing.
01:51:30.000 Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm not trying to put up tents outside and attract all of the students to gather around.
01:51:37.000 We're talking about doing a typical stage discussion in a hall.
01:51:42.000 Didn't they invite you?
01:51:42.000 With no PR.
01:51:44.000 I did not announce this.
01:51:45.000 We did not do a big thing.
01:51:47.000 We're like, everybody, come on down.
01:51:48.000 Nobody really knew what was happening except for the local promotion that they were doing, and they tried to shut it down.
01:51:54.000 If Charlie says, I want to gather a thousand students and I want to go outside, and they say, Oh, well, this will be a security thing, we all know that security question is coming.
01:52:03.000 We did this already.
01:52:04.000 I smoked there a few months ago.
01:52:06.000 Security was like a cop.
01:52:07.000 This is crazy.
01:52:09.000 It's ridiculous.
01:52:09.000 Yeah, I think it's an interesting phenomenon when people are afraid of discussing ideas, that the ideas work them up, just the idea itself.
01:52:16.000 And then they go, I got to cool down after thinking about an idea.
01:52:19.000 It's maybe you got to just teach people one by one or debate by debate how to think and how to be able to tend ideas that would otherwise upset you without getting upset.
01:52:30.000 It's so important.
01:52:32.000 It's like the basis of a sane society is to understand what other people think without getting angry.
01:52:37.000 I would say the other side is not sane.
01:52:40.000 There's a lot of people that aren't on both sides or whatever you want to call it.
01:52:44.000 And unfortunately, the media will highlight that and show people in your feeds or whatever over and over again.
01:52:49.000 Look, this is a representation of that side.
01:52:52.000 And then people will misrepresent the entire side and think all people on that side are like that, which isn't true.
01:52:58.000 But that mentality of the incapability of understanding or the desire even to understand, you got to want it before you train yourself to be able to handle it without getting crazy about it.
01:53:09.000 It's so important.
01:53:10.000 And it sounds like that won the battle in this situation that the sanity came out on top.
01:53:15.000 And it's funny, isn't it, that sanity is also sanitization, like staying clean and staying sane?
01:53:20.000 It's the same term.
01:53:22.000 I'm getting texts about this.
01:53:24.000 And it's sounding like this is going to be a wild event.
01:53:29.000 It's better now because of all this attention.
01:53:30.000 Also, yeah, because of the attention, apparently some other high profile individuals are stepping up.
01:53:35.000 Cool.
01:53:35.000 Good.
01:53:36.000 And so I just got, I was just asked if I'd be willing to sit down with a particular high profile individual.
01:53:40.000 And I was like, is that a joke?
01:53:41.000 Are you kidding?
01:53:41.000 Dude, shout out to Chicago, man.
01:53:43.000 I'm not going to say who, I'm not going to say what the plan is.
01:53:43.000 So we'll see.
01:53:45.000 But, you know, Massey was unavailable.
01:53:47.000 And he's a friend.
01:53:48.000 You know, obviously, I've always had disagreements with Thomas Massey, even before we met him.
01:53:52.000 But I still do deeply respect him.
01:53:57.000 They're saying they want to make this one big.
01:54:00.000 Especially because of this.
01:54:00.000 Cool.
01:54:01.000 I'm like, okay.
01:54:02.000 All right.
01:54:03.000 We're going to grab your questions now from the Discord membership.
01:54:07.000 So let's get it, ladies and gentlemen.
01:54:11.000 Pull it up here and see what y'all have to say.
01:54:15.000 And Discord's giving me the business.
01:54:18.000 We got a lot of questions.
01:54:19.000 I'm going to do my best.
01:54:19.000 I'm going to do my best.
01:54:21.000 Who's in the dick sword?
01:54:23.000 I see someone said Tim should scroll up.
01:54:25.000 Okay.
01:54:26.000 It takes so long to scroll on Discord.
01:54:28.000 That's cheap.
01:54:31.000 I really do like the meme someone posted of Marco Rubio as the Hokage.
01:54:35.000 All right.
01:54:37.000 I just saw one where he's wearing a South American dictator's outfit and said, yes, they go ahead and run Cuba.
01:54:44.000 All right.
01:54:45.000 Kevin Adele says, Ian, have you ever been to Davis Bakery in Cleveland?
01:54:49.000 They get their corned beef from where Corky's did and one of the last Jewish delis in the city.
01:54:55.000 I highly recommend it.
01:54:56.000 And for everyone else, where did you get your favorite corned beef sandwich from?
01:55:00.000 Ooh.
01:55:02.000 I don't know.
01:55:04.000 I don't know.
01:55:08.000 Schlotzky's?
01:55:09.000 They do corned beef?
01:55:10.000 I think so.
01:55:11.000 I did corned beef last week, though.
01:55:12.000 Not corned beef.
01:55:13.000 My favorite corned beef was probably homemade.
01:55:15.000 What does that even mean?
01:55:16.000 Corned beef?
01:55:17.000 Did they mash corn into it?
01:55:18.000 It was marbled with fat.
01:55:20.000 So it's Cornish, I think.
01:55:22.000 So, like barbecue?
01:55:23.000 Yeah, but it's not Cornish beef.
01:55:24.000 It's corn.
01:55:25.000 It's that they did something to it.
01:55:26.000 I used to like a heart attack hero that I used to get at a deli next in downtown DC where they made it pastrami and corned beef.
01:55:35.000 So, corned beef is typically brisket and it's just cured in a brine and salt and stuff.
01:55:41.000 Oh, yeah, the large grains of rock salt and called corns of salt.
01:55:45.000 That's where that comes from.
01:55:46.000 Taylor says as AI begins eliminating white collar and later blue collar via robotics.
01:55:46.000 All right.
01:55:51.000 At what percent of unemployment will our government be forced to roll out UBI and what do you think it would actually be?
01:55:56.000 Also, can we schedule an IRL meetup event at the mask up lesbian bar?
01:56:00.000 Yeah, no way.
01:56:03.000 The problem is UBI doesn't work.
01:56:06.000 You can't have more output than input into a system.
01:56:08.000 It just doesn't make sense.
01:56:11.000 No.
01:56:11.000 And Elon is out there saying everybody's going to have universal high income and trying to persuade everybody to come over to the AI side and we're all going to live in this utopia.
01:56:22.000 First of all, if you believe that, If you believe that our government is going to give everybody high income to do whatever they want, you're out of your mind.
01:56:31.000 I'm going to give you guys an example of why it won't work.
01:56:34.000 Question one Can you automate everything at the same time?
01:56:39.000 Ian says, no, that is correct.
01:56:39.000 No.
01:56:40.000 Ian, you cannot.
01:56:41.000 This means that some people will be unable to work because their jobs are gone and they'll want food, so they'll demand government programs.
01:56:50.000 But it also means some jobs still have to be done, which means you will have people who have to work and you will have people who can't work or won't work or don't work.
01:56:58.000 And the people who don't work are going to be getting UBI.
01:57:01.000 Well, the people who do work are going to be like, why aren't I getting money for free and why do I have to work?
01:57:07.000 Then everyone argues, no, no, UBI is supplemental.
01:57:10.000 So the people who still do the work you have to do get extra money.
01:57:13.000 And we already know what happens when you take 10 people, put them in a room, and say, some don't have to work.
01:57:19.000 If you go to 10 people and say, work or you get no food, what do they do?
01:57:23.000 They all work.
01:57:25.000 What happens then if you say, two of you are not allowed to work anymore?
01:57:29.000 They're going to say, well, I need food.
01:57:31.000 And say, okay, well, we're going to give you food, but you can't work.
01:57:34.000 The other people then complain.
01:57:36.000 We are not going to work.
01:57:37.000 We refuse because they don't got to do anything and they get free food.
01:57:40.000 That's not fair.
01:57:42.000 Why am I working and giving my stuff away to them?
01:57:44.000 Eventually, more jobs start disappearing as labor effectiveness goes down.
01:57:50.000 Now, four people aren't working.
01:57:52.000 So, this is where the government introduces the UBI and says, okay, okay, okay, everyone's going to get food.
01:57:58.000 Those that have to work still have to work, but you'll get extra food.
01:58:02.000 You know what?
01:58:04.000 I don't need extra food.
01:58:05.000 I'll do what they're doing.
01:58:07.000 I'll stop working and take the minimum.
01:58:09.000 What we're going to see is there's going to be some random guy, and let's say he works at the post office and we need the job to get done.
01:58:16.000 He's going to say, Look, I'm getting 50 a year with the UBI plus salary.
01:58:21.000 I'm fine with the 20 a year.
01:58:24.000 You know, I'll just be frugal, but it means I can play guitar.
01:58:27.000 I'm going to go home and I'm going to play guitar or video games.
01:58:30.000 Who is going to do the jobs?
01:58:32.000 You can't force people to do the jobs that have to be done, and you can't subsidize the people because if you say it's supplemental, then people are going to choose the minimum.
01:58:41.000 Every single time.
01:58:43.000 Humans are lazy.
01:58:44.000 It's why DoorDash works.
01:58:45.000 It's just not going to work.
01:58:47.000 No, it's not going to work.
01:58:48.000 And look, a lot of people say the Bible is antiquated, but the Bible wrote a long time ago if you do not work, you shall not eat.
01:58:57.000 That's the way God made us.
01:58:58.000 God made us in a way.
01:58:59.000 Lenin said that too.
01:59:00.000 What's that?
01:59:01.000 Lenin said that too.
01:59:02.000 Yeah.
01:59:03.000 Yeah.
01:59:03.000 You have to work.
01:59:05.000 We have to work.
01:59:06.000 We get our value out of work and out of accomplishment.
01:59:12.000 And quite frankly, you know, The idea that we're all just going to sit home and have this utopia where nobody has to work, we could all play guitar or video games is crazy.
01:59:22.000 So, what's going to happen?
01:59:24.000 So, it's simple.
01:59:25.000 This system can work so long as we enslave third worlders.
01:59:29.000 If the third worlders are doing the base amount of work that no one else has to do, then we can be the noble elites who just don't work.
01:59:35.000 But that world can't exist.
01:59:37.000 We only have a couple minutes.
01:59:38.000 There are people that don't work that make money, and those are like kids that are born rich that have all the money in a savings account, and every year they're on their 600 million, they get 3% back that they live up to.
01:59:48.000 That does exist.
01:59:49.000 You can get food without working, unfortunately, in this economy.
01:59:53.000 It's not really 600 million.
01:59:55.000 There are people who will have maybe like between 10 and 50 million in a family trust.
02:00:00.000 Yeah, or like dividends off of stock investments and stuff like that.
02:00:03.000 But it's usually going to be in the low millions to hundreds of thousands.
02:00:06.000 There's people that literally don't have any jobs that just make money off of their money.
02:00:10.000 That's true.
02:00:10.000 Pretty nuts.
02:00:12.000 Hrothmagore says In a dark potential future where teleportation has been created and declared legally safe, if you were forcibly teleported by activists or pranksters or whatever, what would you do after?
02:00:12.000 All right.
02:00:23.000 I don't know.
02:00:23.000 Nothing.
02:00:24.000 Get my hammer and hunt him down across Asgard in all space time.
02:00:27.000 It's like in a dark potential future where cars have been created, planes have been created, someone puts you in a plane and flies you.
02:00:35.000 What would you do after?
02:00:36.000 I guess call the police and file the police.
02:00:37.000 I guess it depends on what I had to do before I got teleported.
02:00:40.000 Like, how desperate am I to get back to what I was doing?
02:00:42.000 Well, I'd get a plane, fly back, or teleport back, or whatever, and then I'd call the police and say I was kidnapped and here's what they look like.
02:00:50.000 And I don't know what you do.
02:00:52.000 I don't know.
02:00:55.000 Let's see.
02:00:56.000 Oh, we got a fun one.
02:00:57.000 This is just a comment from Gonfall.
02:01:01.000 Said, if it's going to let me read it.
02:01:04.000 Oh, God, hopefully Antifa don't show up.
02:01:06.000 I watched the infidel movie from the Daily Wire, and man, it's just so realistic.
02:01:11.000 I didn't understand what they were doing with the movie, and I thought it was really dumb, to be honest.
02:01:15.000 Well, let me clarify.
02:01:17.000 When I saw the first trails, it was like run, hide, fight, infidels.
02:01:19.000 And I was like, why are they making Islamic terrorists at a college?
02:01:22.000 That's stupid.
02:01:23.000 And then I saw the The scenes they're putting out, oh, it's actually a really clever idea, and they should have marketed it that way.
02:01:31.000 All of these pro Islamic college students and queers for Palestine, how would they respond to Islamic terrorists?
02:01:38.000 Just bill the movie as that.
02:01:39.000 And I'm like, oh, now I get it.
02:01:41.000 Then I saw the clip where he's like, because the kids were queer for Palestine, he's like, celebrate.
02:01:46.000 He's like, your children will tell you of this day.
02:01:49.000 And it's like, oh, I'm gay.
02:01:50.000 And then he just kicks them off the roof.
02:01:52.000 I'm like, now I understand the point of the movie.
02:01:54.000 I think.
02:01:55.000 And there's a bunch of that in the movie.
02:01:56.000 I haven't really.
02:01:57.000 There's no reason that I should criticize what they're doing publicly, but I'm about to.
02:02:01.000 Dallas, who's good, I think of Dallas as a good friend of mine, Dallas Sonia, who I think owns the production company that did it.
02:02:05.000 Calling it Run, Hide, Fight is very confusing for branding because I can't tell that it's a different movie.
02:02:11.000 It was very confusing.
02:02:12.000 It probably should have had a standalone name.
02:02:14.000 Anyway, that's my only criticism.
02:02:15.000 And it looks like a comedy with David Lucas.
02:02:18.000 Dude.
02:02:18.000 It's a comedy.
02:02:19.000 Oh, dude.
02:02:19.000 David Lucas.
02:02:20.000 Yeah.
02:02:20.000 She's like, I lost my dad.
02:02:21.000 He's like, I still can't find mine.
02:02:23.000 Let's look together.
02:02:24.000 We'll see it for David Lucas.
02:02:25.000 I haven't seen it all, but David Lucas is great.
02:02:27.000 Did you get confused between Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2?
02:02:30.000 Did you get confused between Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2?
02:02:30.000 Huh?
02:02:33.000 Yeah.
02:02:33.000 Well, it's not a sequel.
02:02:34.000 It's set in the same kind of universe.
02:02:38.000 All right, all right.
02:02:39.000 Let's grab one way here.
02:02:40.000 Marino says, what do you think of the potential for AI and singularity to help cultivate and develop human PSI and ESP?
02:02:48.000 Certain AI models are displaying ESP already.
02:02:50.000 Are we seeing the bifurcation of humanity between Nietzsche's overman and last man?
02:02:54.000 Yeah, because internet video already kind of is a type of ESP.
02:02:58.000 Like if you listen to my video, you're seeing what I think without me telling you.
02:03:03.000 So AI can facilitate that transfer a lot faster and in a more simpler code like impulses.
02:03:10.000 What I would say is.
02:03:12.000 These ideas that we're going to be able to broadcast with our mind are just irrelevant because the AI is going to be able to invent any technology you can think of.
02:03:20.000 We already have devices that can scan your brain waves.
02:03:23.000 So, I bought an EEG, an electroencephalogram, and it could track two brain waves.
02:03:29.000 I don't know, I remember which one.
02:03:30.000 It's been 15 years.
02:03:32.000 You'd put the headband on, and there's a computer program with a blue line and a red line that were just going up and down.
02:03:38.000 If you focus, you could control the blue and red line moving up and down independently.
02:03:43.000 My friend and I. Struggled with it.
02:03:45.000 We'd get it a little bit, it would go up, and then I'd be like, wait, wait, and then I'd lose it.
02:03:48.000 His sister put it on and instantly just was like, what do you want it to do?
02:03:50.000 Go up, would go straight up.
02:03:52.000 We were like, whoa.
02:03:53.000 So, what we wanted to do was control drones with an EEG.
02:03:56.000 You put the drone on, and with your thoughts, you can make the drone go up and spin.
02:04:02.000 We couldn't, with only two parameters, you can make it go up and down, and then you can make it rotate left and right.
02:04:11.000 Theoretically, with being able to control up and down, you should technically have four controls.
02:04:16.000 But, you know, we were like, we'll start early.
02:04:18.000 We never actually finished it, but that was common.
02:04:21.000 Then they came out with this toy where it was like the force trainer, where you put it on, it scans for one brainwave, and it's in a ball in a tube, and you could turn a fan on with your brainwaves, and it would make the ball float.
02:04:32.000 So that stuff's already possible.
02:04:34.000 AI is going to rapidly expand those capabilities, and you're going to put on your headset and just psychically communicate with people.
02:04:40.000 Yeah, I mean, you're already kind of psychically communicating with your arm.
02:04:43.000 You know, with electromagnetic impulses from the brain, you can control the body.
02:04:47.000 And that's where we're extrapolating what the body is with tech.
02:04:51.000 Yeah.
02:04:52.000 I mean, your arm's attached to your body, though.
02:04:54.000 So, like, you could control, like, a secondary arm.
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