Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Sunday Uncensored: Nick Searcy Member Podcast: Director Of Gosnell Discusses The Most Prolific Serial Killer In US History

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00:00:23.000 Ladies and gentlemen, before we get started, we have a special performance.

00:00:26.000 Ian Crossland in the Orbit Gum commercial from 2007.

00:00:30.000 I hope you all enjoy it.

00:00:34.000 See you later, man.

00:00:35.000 I'm having noodles.

00:00:37.000 Dirty mouth? 0.95

00:00:46.000 Oh Clean that up. 0.92

00:00:55.000 There it is.

00:00:56.000 Ian Crosland cutting his nose hairs at an Orbit Super Bowl commercial.

00:01:00.000 for a good clean feeling no matter what.

00:01:03.000 There it is.

00:01:04.000 Ian Crosland cutting his nose hairs at an Orbit Super Bowl commercial.

00:01:08.000 Look how stable those eyes are in that shot.

00:01:11.000 What happened?

00:01:13.000 This was directed by the Pelorian Brothers.

00:01:15.000 Those guys rock.

00:01:16.000 Look at this picture.

00:01:17.000 That's awesome!

00:01:18.000 That's amazing.

00:01:19.000 What happened, Ian?

00:01:20.000 You were on the path to celebrity fame and fortune in Hollywood. 0.99

00:01:23.000 I got fucking red-pilled is what happened. 0.94

00:01:25.000 I learned about the Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex, and I realized some things are more important than money and fame, but I still wanted to utilize the fame somehow. 0.98

00:01:33.000 But man, did I go into a spiraling depression in that period of my life, because my whole life I'd geared myself towards this career.

00:01:39.000 Just think.

00:01:40.000 So what year was that?

00:01:41.000 That was 2007.

00:01:42.000 I started making YouTube videos in 2006.

00:01:43.000 And the people started commenting on my videos like, do you even know what the Federal Reserve is?

00:01:49.000 Do you even know what fractional reserve banking is?

00:01:52.000 I'm like, I've never heard these words before.

00:01:53.000 Ian, you could have been Thor.

00:01:57.000 Could have been.

00:01:58.000 I had a management from CBS had me for a while, and I was just making YouTube videos about my crazy life and how high I was.

00:02:07.000 And they were like, Ian, stop making YouTube videos.

00:02:09.000 I was like, you found me through my YouTube videos.

00:02:10.000 And they're like, yeah, but we want to control you now.

00:02:12.000 I'm like, nah, peace, Hollywood.

00:02:14.000 Let's talk about some dark stuff.

00:02:18.000 So, Nick, you directed Gosnell.

00:02:23.000 How about this?

00:02:24.000 We'll have you explain who Gosnell is and then we'll have Seamus explain who Gosnell is.

00:02:28.000 Yes, yeah.

00:02:30.000 Dr. Kermit Gosnell ran a women's clinic in Philadelphia and for about 19 years his clinic was never inspected and he developed a way of performing abortions Which consisted of giving them labor-inducing, giving the women labor-inducing drugs which then caused the baby to be born alive and he would then take a pair of scissors and snip the spinal cord of the baby and kill it after it was born.

00:03:00.000 And this went on for years and years and years until finally it was discovered that he was doing this I believe in 2013 and he was convicted.

00:03:09.000 Well, they discovered it in 2011 I think.

00:03:12.000 He was convicted in 2013.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, I mean, he's a serial killer.

00:03:16.000 And that's true of abortion doctors, generally speaking.

00:03:19.000 But he was inducing labor, as you said, he was killing them after they were already born.

00:03:23.000 Part of why it's such an important story is because I think it really gets people to think about what abortion is and ask themselves the question, well, I think that this man's a monster for killing the infant a moment after it comes out.

00:03:35.000 What about people who regularly kill this infant while it is still inside of the mother's womb?

00:03:40.000 So this guy, Gosnell, he was not performing abortions, he was legitimately killing babies.

00:03:47.000 And it's a really interesting philosophical question because if the women were pregnant and he induced abortion, or he induced labor, what's the difference between that and an abortion?

00:03:58.000 Just the fact that the baby is positioned outside of the woman's body as he murders, as he kills it?

00:04:02.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 So it's not just that he was storing body parts in the building.

00:04:07.000 I mean, if I told you the story, here's a man who takes living human beings, kills them, and then stores their body parts in their home, you'd be like, who the fuck? 0.99

00:04:18.000 Jeffrey Dahmer? 1.00

00:04:19.000 Yeah.

00:04:20.000 Yeah.

00:04:21.000 And then when you're like, well, technically it was because women were trying to terminate their pregnancies. 1.00

00:04:27.000 What's the difference?

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 Well, that's one of the reasons I wanted to direct the movie when they offered it to me and I read the script.

00:04:34.000 There was a great scene, I think taken primarily from court transcripts, of where they talk to a legal abortion doctor and have her go through all the steps they do to make legitimate Abortion.

00:04:47.000 And when I read that, I was just like, I had no idea that that's what they did.

00:04:53.000 And that's what made me, I said, people, people talk about the abortion issue without knowing what they're talking about.

00:05:00.000 And that's what I wanted to do is put that on screen.

00:05:02.000 So it's like, and a lot of people see that scene and go, I, I didn't know that's what they did.

00:05:07.000 If the baby is still connected to the mother by the umbilical cord, is that why he was thinking like it's still not really breathing air?

00:05:14.000 It's not a complete life yet?

00:05:17.000 He was not someone concerned with morality.

00:05:18.000 He was just slaughtering infants for profit.

00:05:20.000 Right.

00:05:21.000 Is that why he was storing the body parts was to sell them?

00:05:24.000 Well, in the movie, it was because he had had a dispute with his medical waste company.

00:05:31.000 Really, he was a very cheap, you know, he was a shyster in a lot of ways.

00:05:38.000 He was very much concerned, and he was having a financial dispute with his medical waste company, so he was just storing the bags.

00:05:47.000 So, Wikipedia is typically left-leaning, right?

00:05:51.000 It's very left-biased.

00:05:53.000 Let me just ask you guys, how do you think Wikipedia describes Gosnell?

00:05:59.000 Do they describe him as an abortion provider?

00:06:01.000 I already took a look, so don't answer yet.

00:06:03.000 I gotta concede, I already saw it.

00:06:04.000 No, probably not.

00:06:05.000 They wouldn't let us call him an abortion doctor in any of the ads that we ran for God's sake.

00:06:10.000 Really?

00:06:11.000 We had to say doctor.

00:06:12.000 They wouldn't let us say abortion doctor.

00:06:14.000 Well, Wikipedia says he's an American former physician and serial killer.

00:06:19.000 And the reason they do that is because they are left biased.

00:06:22.000 Because they don't want people to know that what he was actually doing was abortions.

00:06:29.000 He's just doing them a few minutes too late, really.

00:06:31.000 Isn't that weird?

00:06:32.000 Yeah, it's so weird.

00:06:34.000 And that's kind of what that scene in the movie is about.

00:06:37.000 I play Gosnell's attorney and at the end of the scene where she takes us through the whole process they inject poison into the fetus while it's still inside they make an incision in the back of the neck they put a vacuum in there and suck the brains out because the head's too big to come out of the canal and at the end of her describing all this it's like he says well I don't see what the difference is.

00:07:02.000 Wow.

00:07:03.000 The judge said that or?

00:07:05.000 The attorney.

00:07:06.000 And then, you know, objection, calls for a conclusion, you know, that kind of thing.

00:07:10.000 This goes on.

00:07:11.000 What is the difference?

00:07:12.000 No.

00:07:13.000 Oh.

00:07:14.000 If it's in...

00:07:15.000 There's no moral difference.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, you're slaughtering a baby. 0.97

00:07:17.000 You're killing a child. 0.99

00:07:18.000 This is... 0.98

00:07:19.000 So this goes on.

00:07:20.000 Wikipedia.

00:07:21.000 Gosnell was convicted of the murders of three infants who were born alive after botched

00:07:22.000 abortion attempts and then was convicted and so on.

00:07:25.000 So when you're doing the movie, is that exactly what you found?

00:07:29.000 That's a lie.

00:07:30.000 It was not a botched abortion attempt.

00:07:32.000 What was it?

00:07:32.000 That was the procedure that he had developed.

00:07:36.000 He did all the abortions that way.

00:07:38.000 If they were at a certain point, And he also did very, very late term abortions.

00:07:44.000 Abortions way past what the legal limit was.

00:07:46.000 And to do an abortion on a baby like that, it's very difficult to do if you try to do it inside the womb.

00:07:53.000 So to him, he's probably like, I'm going to make sure I don't hurt the woman.

00:07:56.000 Um, no.

00:07:57.000 For him, it's, I'm trying to make money, because this whole argument that abortion is about women's health goes out the window with a case like this, because this man literally cared nothing for their health and safety.

00:08:06.000 He didn't follow any of the health regulations, the conditions they were in, and that he was performing these procedures in, were absolutely disgusting, and of course, procedures of euthanasia for murder, but he was treating white and black women in different facilities. 0.95

00:08:18.000 He was charging between $1,600 and $3,000 for late-term abortions, and he was making $10,000 to $15,000 per day.

00:08:25.000 Oh, and he was the only one that would do it.

00:08:26.000 Yeah, because it was illegal.

00:08:27.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.000 And he also was convicted of manslaughter, too.

00:08:30.000 He killed one woman.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, that went on.

00:08:32.000 Was convicted of manslaughter in connection with the death of one woman during an abortion

00:08:36.000 procedure and was convicted of several other medically related crimes.

00:08:39.000 Mm hmm.

00:08:40.000 That's like abusive, abusive body.

00:08:44.000 Man, he's still alive, too.

00:08:46.000 He was taking when he was having the dispute with the medical waste company.

00:08:51.000 This is really.

00:08:53.000 He was taking body parts back to his beach house and putting them in crab pots.

00:08:59.000 to catch crabs. Wow. And they found body parts in the garbage disposal. He was flushing them down

00:09:09.000 the drain. He was it was it really really treating like chicken meat. Yeah. Meat grinder. Disgusting.

00:09:15.000 How is this not the biggest story of the decade? Because it's about abortion and they don't want 0.99

00:09:22.000 They don't want you to ask that question.

00:09:24.000 What is the real substantive difference between murdering that infant prior to them being outside of their mother's womb and immediately after?

00:09:34.000 They don't want you to ask that question.

00:09:35.000 Do you see that video of the Virginia legislator talking to the council member and she's like, my bill would allow abortion up to the point of birth.

00:09:43.000 And the judge is like, what?

00:09:44.000 Did you see that Ian?

00:09:45.000 I didn't see the actual video.

00:09:48.000 It's like a council member or a judge or something and he's like...

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00:11:03.000 Bye!

00:11:04.000 I'm not going to do it again.

00:11:09.000 So a woman is in labor and the baby is breaching and she's like, my bill does not specify

00:11:15.000 up to the point of birth abortion is allowed.

00:11:17.000 Like, that's insane.

00:11:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Like, the baby is coming out of the mother, and you're like, better quick kill it! 1.00

00:11:22.000 Get it! 1.00

00:11:22.000 Otherwise we'll get in trouble! 1.00

00:11:23.000 Let me take you guys on a little fantasy detour here.

00:11:26.000 What if the babies were neural netted from the moment of inception?

00:11:30.000 What?

00:11:30.000 You think that would bring humanity to the fetus?

00:11:33.000 If we could see their thought process early on in the creation?

00:11:36.000 I think it's irrelevant.

00:11:36.000 I think thought process doesn't make someone a person.

00:11:38.000 Well, sometimes seeing the ultrasound can get the woman to be like, yeah, I want to keep it. 1.00

00:11:42.000 You telling me I am or am not a person is irrelevant to whether or not I have rights and I'm a person.

00:11:48.000 But I mean just for cultural enforcement.

00:11:51.000 I just think it's irrelevant.

00:11:52.000 I think that's actually a dangerous path and it would be a detriment because it's attempting to justify when someone is considered alive based on personal or subjective parameters.

00:12:02.000 So, also, you did the documentary, you know more about this.

00:12:06.000 Would you describe the racist practices that have been discussed here?

00:12:11.000 Well, he had separate waiting rooms for black women and white women. 0.99

00:12:19.000 And the white women's room was much nicer and, you know, well kept.

00:12:24.000 And the black women's waiting room was just like a room that he didn't clean very often or whatever.

00:12:30.000 And when one of the nurses asked him about it, he said, well, that's just the way the world is, honey. 0.94

00:12:35.000 White women won't come here, you know, and black women are used to this. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Yeah, so I was actually incorrect.

00:12:41.000 He was not performing them in different facilities.

00:12:42.000 He had different waiting rooms.

00:12:44.000 But nonetheless, if you had a dentist who was caught using different waiting rooms for people on the basis of their race, that would be a front page story.

00:12:52.000 Everyone in the country would be talking about it for days.

00:12:56.000 It would be used as an example of why we're in a white supremacist country.

00:12:59.000 That story would be on our radar for years and years.

00:13:03.000 But because this guy was slaughtering infants and because the media doesn't want you to think there's anything wrong with that, he was never brought up. 0.98

00:13:09.000 And he's also black. 0.99

00:13:10.000 Yes, yes, he's black. 0.88

00:13:12.000 His prosecutor said it was like racist to try to, or not his prosecutor, his defense attorney was arguing it would be racist to prosecute him and elitist.

00:13:18.000 The LA Times, The Atlantic, Slate, and Time all published opinion columns where the writer thought the incident was not getting as much media coverage as deserved.

00:13:25.000 Megan McArdle explains she didn't cover it because it made her ill.

00:13:29.000 But also how being pro-choice influenced writers saying most of us tend to be less interested.

00:13:34.000 In sick-making stories, the sick-making was done by our side.

00:13:38.000 Saying, the story should have been covered much more than it was, covered as a national policy issue, not a local crime story.

00:13:44.000 Martin Baron, the post-executive editor, claims he wasn't aware of the story until Thursday, 11th of April, when readers began emailing him about it, saying, I wish I could be conscious to all the stories out there.

00:13:55.000 You know what? 0.99

00:13:56.000 Fuck these people. 1.00

00:13:57.000 They don't pay attention, they don't read the news, and that's why shit like this goes on as long as it does. 1.00

00:14:03.000 When you go out and you say, hey, what's happening at the Capitol to these people in the prisons is horrifying. 1.00

00:14:08.000 They say, fuck you, I don't care. 1.00

00:14:10.000 Just watch the video. 1.00

00:14:11.000 Fuck you, I don't care. 1.00

00:14:12.000 This guy is taking babies and executing them. 1.00

00:14:16.000 Fuck you, I don't care. 1.00

00:14:18.000 That's what they're saying every time. 1.00

00:14:19.000 If these people paid attention for two seconds, serial killers like Gosnell would have been stopped a long time ago.

00:14:26.000 This is beyond.

00:14:27.000 You want to have an argument about abortion?

00:14:28.000 We'll have an argument about abortion. 0.99

00:14:29.000 This is a guy who is taking babies who are outside of the womb, delivered, and killing them. 0.87

00:14:36.000 We have a zombie horde in this country that won't listen and won't pay attention, and they allow monsters like this to get away with it. 0.85

00:14:42.000 And when they get caught, the media says, whoopsie!

00:14:45.000 Not a story.

00:14:46.000 Nothing important enough to focus on.

00:14:47.000 And another thing that was going on that allowed this to go on for so long was the political pressure that his clinic was not inspected by the health inspector for 19 years.

00:15:02.000 Because Tom Ridge, who was the governor at the time, said, we don't want to be seen as being anti-women's health, so leave these abortion clinics alone. 1.00

00:15:13.000 And so that right there is what allows it.

00:15:19.000 They would inspect nail salons, but not a women's clinic. 1.00

00:15:22.000 How many babies did he kill?

00:15:25.000 Let's get as political as we can.

00:15:26.000 How many babies were delivered and then killed?

00:15:32.000 They don't know precisely, but they speculate probably in excess of 1,500.

00:15:37.000 And we're talking about babies born.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, thousands.

00:15:45.000 That is the most people murdered by any single person for a serial killer, right?

00:15:50.000 Yeah.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:52.000 And they say this wasn't big news.

00:15:53.000 They're saying, well, it was a policy issue.

00:15:55.000 This guy was murdering people.

00:15:59.000 He was murdering 1,500 people.

00:16:02.000 Because the woman was basically instigating it, I think that's why. 1.00

00:16:06.000 That's why it isn't being treated like murder, like basic murder.

00:16:09.000 Dude, if a hitman had 1,500 contracts from wives and killed all their husbands, he would be the most prolific serial killer.

00:16:15.000 He'd be all over the news.

00:16:17.000 They'd call him the dark widow. 0.99

00:16:20.000 The black widower. 0.97

00:16:21.000 Hit contracts aren't legal, but abortions are. 1.00

00:16:24.000 No, those aren't abortions. 1.00

00:16:25.000 That's a good point. 0.99

00:16:26.000 If there was a hitman, they'd call him the black widower. 0.99

00:16:28.000 He killed 1,500 husbands because the women said they wanted this person killed. 1.00

00:16:34.000 So here you have basically the same fucking thing. 0.99

00:16:37.000 Well, I'll tell you what gets really crazy, and this is something I don't think the left can answer. 0.98

00:16:44.000 When it comes to the pro-abortion crowd, I mean overtly, they're advocating for abortion, not talking about legalities of libertarian and difficult moral positions, which I understand the pro-life crowd probably doesn't care for anyway.

00:16:56.000 But let's just say this.

00:16:58.000 These people are overtly pro-abortion.

00:17:01.000 Michelle Wolf or whatever her name is, she comes out on her show and she goes, you get an abortion, and you get an abortion. 1.00

00:17:07.000 Lena Dunham says she wished she had an abortion. 0.77

00:17:10.000 What's the difference? 0.88

00:17:12.000 Between a woman who goes into premature labor and gives birth at seven months and then throws the baby in a dumpster, and a woman who at seven months says to the doctor, kill it. 0.72

00:17:22.000 There's no difference.

00:17:23.000 It's a distinction without a difference.

00:17:26.000 Did you find any redeeming quality in Kermit while you were doing this movie?

00:17:31.000 Well, he's a very accomplished fellow.

00:17:35.000 He really was.

00:17:35.000 I mean, he's a great piano player.

00:17:37.000 He's, like, very learned.

00:17:39.000 I mean, you know, he was well-educated, very articulate, but he was just soulless.

00:17:47.000 He had been doing it for so long that he was so conditioned to Just doing it like, you know, you're making an omelet or something.

00:17:57.000 He had no feelings about it whatsoever.

00:18:01.000 And he had convinced himself that he was doing a service to these poor women.

00:18:05.000 You know, they come to him because they have nowhere else to go.

00:18:08.000 And I'm going to take care of their lives and give them back their lives by getting rid of this baby. 0.97

00:18:13.000 You know, they say you've got to do a compliment sandwich.

00:18:15.000 You can't just deride someone.

00:18:17.000 So, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was a vicious and brutal murderer, but he was an expert chef of human flesh. 0.98

00:18:27.000 And he was a vicious sociopath.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, there's no... Redeeming quality is an interesting way to phrase it because I don't think anything could redeem people like this.

00:18:34.000 Yeah, I wondered if he was ever like... Except Christ.

00:18:36.000 Exactly.

00:18:37.000 You think Christ could redeem him?

00:18:39.000 There's nothing more powerful than his sacrifice on the cross.

00:18:39.000 Christ could redeem anyone.

00:18:42.000 If God's now fell to his knees, converted, had a relationship with Jesus, submitted to the church, received the sacraments, he would be saved.

00:18:49.000 But he'd still rot in prison for the rest of his life or get the death penalty.

00:18:49.000 Or could be saved.

00:18:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:53.000 I mean, look, he has to face the legal penalties he's incurred on the basis of his own actions, absolutely.

00:18:59.000 I'm not for the death penalty.

00:19:00.000 I think he should be locked up permanently.

00:19:02.000 Well, he made a deal.

00:19:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:04.000 Life without parole.

00:19:06.000 But I gotta tell you, stories like this make one very... The reason why I'm against the death penalty is not because I oppose killing evil.

00:19:16.000 It's because I don't trust the government to tell me what evil is.

00:19:19.000 And so that's why... The easiest way to explain it is Kamala Harris walks up to you and says, We need to kill that guy right there because he murdered 0.96

00:19:27.000 babies and you're gonna be like Kamala. I I Don't believe you. It's not I'm not gonna kill that man, 1.00

00:19:33.000 you know I mean, there's nothing the state could say to me, but I 0.97

00:19:35.000 gotta tell you this guy You know

00:19:38.000 if I I Can't tell you what I would do if I walked into this place 0.98

00:19:42.000 and I saw a guy with a bunch of baby parts Killing babies. Yeah, I'll tell you this 0.99

00:19:46.000 No, I'll say it outright.

00:19:48.000 We talked about this.

00:19:48.000 I was going to ask you.

00:19:50.000 If I walked into a room and I saw this guy holding a baby and about to snip its neck, I'd shoot him in the head. 1.00

00:19:55.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

00:19:55.000 I would fucking... I'd say, freeze, drop it, leave that baby alone. 1.00

00:20:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:01.000 You don't want to go for a kill shot or something, but you want to use force in order to prevent it.

00:20:08.000 If you have to neutralize the threat, you aim for body.

00:20:10.000 But when the mom screams, no, don't, what do you do? 1.00

00:20:13.000 You just be like, fuck you. 1.00

00:20:13.000 I don't care. 1.00

00:20:14.000 What do you mean, no, don't?

00:20:16.000 The mom, she wants it to happen. 0.51

00:20:17.000 Okay, Ian.

00:20:18.000 There is a woman sitting at a table, and there's a baby on the table.

00:20:22.000 And you walk in, and the doctor's got a hammer, and he raises it above the baby, and you're holding a gun, and you, and what do you do?

00:20:29.000 She's like, no, don't, don't shoot him, Ian!

00:20:31.000 She doesn't say anything.

00:20:32.000 We sort of talked about this the other day, but here's another element which is introduced here.

00:20:37.000 And then she says, no, don't, let him do it.

00:20:39.000 You're going to let him do it?

00:20:40.000 Well, it gets complicated. 1.00

00:20:41.000 Well, the mom said, let him fucking kill the baby. 1.00

00:20:44.000 We sort of talked about this the other day, but here's another element which is introduced 0.99

00:20:47.000 here.

00:20:48.000 If the child has already been born, it can be taken from the mother and put into protective

00:20:51.000 services if she's trying to kill it. 1.00

00:20:54.000 At that point, it's not the mom's responsibility.

00:20:56.000 We're talking about this guy was killing babies, not abortions.

00:21:00.000 He was taking babies that were alive outside of the womb and then cutting their spinal cord.

00:21:05.000 So you don't believe in the death penalty? 0.92

00:21:06.000 You'd kill him? 0.94

00:21:07.000 Yes, to prevent- well, look, here's the difference. 0.99

00:21:09.000 The death penalty is a punishment and he's talking about a preventative measure.

00:21:12.000 Oh, you're trying to stop the crime.

00:21:13.000 I just said, the reason why I don't support the death penalty is not because I don't believe in killing evil, it's because I don't trust the state.

00:21:19.000 Oh, so you're actually not making the point I thought you were making.

00:21:21.000 If you walked in and you saw him standing there with a bloody knife and the dead babies below him, you wouldn't kill him.

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00:21:58.000 I already did that.

00:22:00.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

00:22:01.000 So my point is you can use...

00:22:02.000 The goal is to prevent harm to others.

00:22:04.000 Exactly.

00:22:05.000 You can use force to prevent harm, but you...

00:22:07.000 to use it after the fact is an entirely different story.

00:22:10.000 But also...

00:22:11.000 Vigilantism, yeah.

00:22:12.000 The point about the death penalty is...

00:22:15.000 In the instance, I saw him with that...

00:22:18.000 Like, let's do the Emperor Palpatine scenario.

00:22:21.000 The truly evil emperor, he controls the courts and he's gonna get away with it.

00:22:25.000 If there was a circumstance in which I knew...

00:22:28.000 Someone was going to cause harm and kill... 1.00

00:22:32.000 And the only way to stop it was to kill them... 1.00

00:22:35.000 Well then, I would. 1.00

00:22:37.000 The best example is probably warfare.

00:22:40.000 I see someone with a gun, and we're in war, they're shooting and killing people, and I see them.

00:22:45.000 In that kind of situation, when you're in a war kind of situation, you decide, if I don't kill him now, he's gonna kill my friends, my brother, like, it's hot conflict.

00:22:56.000 If a person has been subdued or is not a threat actively, then I think they should be subdued and locked up.

00:23:02.000 There's a challenge in, I'm not in law enforcement, so any instance in which the state says to me we should kill somebody, I have to trust the state that they're correct and he did something wrong.

00:23:12.000 So, as I said, imagine Nancy Pelosi walks up to you, Ian, and she goes, Ian, listen to me. 0.99

00:23:18.000 This man you've never met before, he is a dangerous murderer and we need to kill him now. 1.00

00:23:25.000 Here's the gun. 1.00

00:23:25.000 Shoot him. 1.00

00:23:26.000 Would you do it? 1.00

00:23:27.000 Of course not! 1.00

00:23:28.000 So fuck the death penalty! 1.00

00:23:30.000 But, if I saw a guy literally killing babies, I'd be like, STOP! 1.00

00:23:34.000 And if he was like, no, I'd be like, DAH!

00:23:36.000 Habits?

00:23:37.000 Yeah, I mean also, whether you're for or against the death penalty at a philosophical or theological level...

00:23:43.000 It becomes a question not only of that, but do you trust the specific government under which you live?

00:23:50.000 I think it's thinkable that someone could have the position that, in certain scenarios, the death penalty could be acceptable, but they would never trust our government with that power.

00:23:58.000 I think there's something to be said, too, in relation to death penalty, to get more specific, because I'm sure people are wondering.

00:24:03.000 If I walked in, the baby was already dead, as you would ask, I probably wouldn't kill him, and I would call for the police.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 Have them come and take him away.

00:24:13.000 And I'm still not in favor of the death penalty at that point. 0.96

00:24:15.000 Lock him in a box, throw away the key. 1.00

00:24:16.000 Without spoiling this movie that you directed, how did the shit hit the fan with this guy? 0.99

00:24:23.000 uh... he was under investigation originally for writing phony prescriptions for oxycontin and selling the prescriptions and so the police got a search warrant to search his clinic because of this and when the police went in they found all the fetuses in the filthy clinic and and they found frozen fetuses in the freezer they found a whole rack of like And then within, like, what, a day? 0.98

00:24:49.000 Within, like, two hours they were back there or something?

00:24:52.000 Yeah.

00:24:52.000 formaldehyde and they went back to the district attorney and said there's some

00:24:58.000 really really horrible things going on at this clinic and we need to prosecute

00:25:03.000 this man for murder. And then within like what a day within like two hours they

00:25:06.000 were back there or something? Yeah. Wow, 2.3 million dollars fundraised to make this movie.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:12.000 It was a big, big fundraising campaign.

00:25:15.000 But the other thing that he was doing too was that he surrounded himself in his clinic, not with, not with trained nurses.

00:25:22.000 Everybody else that worked in the clinic were just like neighborhood girls that he taught to administer anesthetics. 1.00

00:25:30.000 Uh, one, one girl started working there when she was 15 and she was the one that sort of, uh, gave them the drugs that put them under so that he could perform the abortion.

00:25:40.000 Did they bust any of the women? 1.00

00:25:43.000 Some of them, yes.

00:25:43.000 Some of them went to jail.

00:25:44.000 I think there were four?

00:25:48.000 Four of the people that worked in the clinic also served, like, manslaughter or, you know, some sort of thing.

00:25:54.000 I don't remember right away.

00:25:55.000 Were there some that had been performing procedures at his behest that they let off?

00:25:59.000 Because it was just like, they're 16 years old, dude.

00:26:02.000 Right.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:03.000 There was a lot of that.

00:26:06.000 And, you know, since he had nobody around him that could challenge him, that would say to him, this doesn't feel right, you know, and if anybody ever said that, he got rid of them.

00:26:18.000 So it was very, very sinister and unbelievable that it was allowed to go on as long as it was.

00:26:27.000 What are your personal feelings on abortion?

00:26:29.000 Do you ever talk about those publicly if you do?

00:26:36.000 I think you would probably characterize me as pro-choice, but it's not pro-choice 100%.

00:26:42.000 I definitely think that abortion is the killing of an innocent life. 0.98

00:26:47.000 It's the killing of a human life.

00:26:48.000 I think there's a difference, to me there's a difference in doing that in the first two months of the pregnancy.

00:26:57.000 Because I don't think at that time that the fetus, it's not even a fetus, that at that point it causes any pain.

00:27:08.000 At the same time though, I go back and forth on this because there's no question at conception that this is going to turn into a human life.

00:27:17.000 It is a human life.

00:27:18.000 Life begins at conception.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, and so but it's you know, my view is not too dissimilar but a little bit more in the direction of pro-life.

00:27:30.000 I think abortion, causeless abortion for no reason, is wrong.

00:27:34.000 But I have a governmental, philosophical question about one body, two lives and the rights of which and how you confront that.

00:27:43.000 I don't even know how you confront that.

00:27:45.000 There's obvious, like, my view is If a woman chooses to engage in reproductive activities that results in a pregnancy, well, I mean, come on, take responsibility. 0.99

00:27:54.000 You have chosen to engage a life form in you.

00:27:56.000 Determining it now is an action you took.

00:27:59.000 But there's questions of rape when a woman doesn't choose, and there's a question of whether the government has a right to determine a person must give their body to another person or provide their body to another person.

00:28:08.000 That's horrifying to me.

00:28:10.000 But, uh, it's shocking to me that I think the science is clear.

00:28:14.000 Life begins at conception.

00:28:15.000 From that moment, you have an independent set of DNA, separate from the other person.

00:28:21.000 It's strange to me that we've had lefties on the show, I think, you know, Vosh said, after birth?

00:28:26.000 Like, when does life begin?

00:28:28.000 Birth?

00:28:28.000 It's like... What?

00:28:30.000 That's crazy.

00:28:31.000 A better question is when does the humanity appear in the fetus?

00:28:35.000 Because I agree with you that it is alive immediately.

00:28:37.000 It's alive.

00:28:39.000 But it's only destined to become a human.

00:28:41.000 It could die in the womb. 0.97

00:28:41.000 It may never become a human. 0.97

00:28:43.000 So at what point should we start?

00:28:45.000 Well, Ian, your humanity is not something extrinsic which is imposed upon you later.

00:28:51.000 Humanity is intrinsic to the human.

00:28:53.000 From every moment of existence, a human is a human.

00:28:56.000 There's no point in time at which you are not one.

00:28:58.000 Ian, if we were to judge whether or not someone was worthy of life or humanity based on their thinking capacity, well then, I'm sorry, Ian, you're... No, you're wrong!

00:29:11.000 You could have told me that, what you just told me.

00:29:12.000 Everyone's a human.

00:29:13.000 You're always a human.

00:29:14.000 But if you told me that when I was six weeks old, I would just hear, There wouldn't even be a me. 0.99

00:29:21.000 So someone who's six weeks old isn't human and we can kill him?

00:29:23.000 I believe there is no consciousness at six weeks.

00:29:25.000 I don't know.

00:29:26.000 Ian.

00:29:27.000 I'm talking about a child that is, like, were you talking after birth?

00:29:30.000 No, no, a baby in the womb after six weeks of conception.

00:29:32.000 After conception.

00:29:33.000 Six weeks after, well, they certainly couldn't hear you and understand you as far as I'm aware, but there's no part of humanity or the rights of a human which are contingent upon them being able to hear and understand you.

00:29:46.000 Ian.

00:29:46.000 Are you familiar with Krang?

00:29:48.000 Oh yeah, the brain from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, can't survive outside of the machine he's in. 1.00

00:29:53.000 Should he be killed? 1.00

00:29:54.000 Fuck yeah, dude, he's the villain. 1.00

00:29:57.000 I don't know, I always liked Krang. 1.00

00:30:00.000 The actual question is, there is a human who, a bomb goes off, And it blows off the lower portion of the torso, the pelvis, portions of the intestines, side of the face, and they hook the person up to a machine with limited brain capacity, just going, but looking around and like pointing at things.

00:30:20.000 So there's something going on there.

00:30:22.000 So he's like Biden.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:24.000 This is a good question. 0.95

00:30:25.000 Because if someone is on a machine with no brain activity and they're laying there, it's up to the family to kill it. 0.81

00:30:31.000 There's a really great story, Ian.

00:30:34.000 You know what locked-in syndrome is?

00:30:37.000 When a person is fully paralyzed and they can only move their eyes.

00:30:37.000 Locked-in syndrome?

00:30:41.000 I've heard of it.

00:30:41.000 Or not even their eyes.

00:30:42.000 I heard somebody was in it and his parents played Barney for like 12 years while they thought he was in like a comatose, but he hurt it the whole time.

00:30:48.000 He came out later and was like, what did you guys do to me? 0.98

00:30:50.000 And imagine the family being like, kill him. 0.99

00:30:53.000 Imagine this, Ian, I want you to imagine this. 1.00

00:30:54.000 I want you to imagine you're driving your go-kart, and you get hit by a semi.

00:31:02.000 And you wake up in the hospital, and you're looking, and you're looking around, but you can't move anything.

00:31:07.000 And you're thinking to yourself, oh no, no, no, no, what happened, what happened?

00:31:11.000 And the doctor looks down, and there's, you know, all of us, and you know, there's your significant other and your family.

00:31:19.000 And the doctor goes, The eyes will move as a response to stimuli, but I'm sorry, Ian, he's gone.

00:31:25.000 There's nothing left.

00:31:26.000 And you're sitting there thinking to yourself, I'm not dead.

00:31:28.000 I'm not dead. 1.00

00:31:29.000 And then he goes, I think we should kill him. 1.00

00:31:31.000 I think we should pull the plug. 1.00

00:31:32.000 And would you be going? 0.99

00:31:34.000 Yeah, I guess I should die. 0.89

00:31:35.000 And then your mom goes, but is there a chance? 0.98

00:31:38.000 Is there a chance?

00:31:38.000 Well, look, there is, but it's very, very slim.

00:31:41.000 It's gonna be very, very expensive.

00:31:43.000 And I'm telling you, in my professional opinion, he's gone. 0.95

00:31:46.000 I think you'd be better off not trying to see if he'd recover and just letting him die.

00:31:50.000 And then your mom goes, well, there is no response.

00:31:53.000 He isn't listening to us.

00:31:54.000 He's basically not there.

00:31:55.000 He has no humanity. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Kill him. 1.00

00:31:57.000 Imagine that. 1.00

00:31:58.000 You would not be happy with that.

00:32:00.000 No person would. 1.00

00:32:01.000 You'd be inside your mind, screaming internally, unable to do anything, as they're saying, we're now going to kill you.

00:32:08.000 What's this process called that they're experiencing?

00:32:10.000 Locked-in syndrome.

00:32:11.000 Do they have brain activity during that?

00:32:13.000 Sometimes they can't discern it.

00:32:15.000 And so there's a famous story where the doctor said the eyes will just move as a reaction to stimuli, and the limited brain activity suggests this person is brain dead and unable to be recovered.

00:32:28.000 There's a lot of neurons in the heart and in the stomach.

00:32:30.000 I mean, you aren't just your brain.

00:32:33.000 And the doctor says, look, Mrs. Crossland, I'm sorry for your loss.

00:32:38.000 She'd be like, call me Becky.

00:32:39.000 Becky, I'm sorry for your loss, but you need to understand your son has healthy organs, and his death could mean the survival of many more people.

00:32:47.000 Now, there is a possibility he could have survived.

00:32:49.000 He could survive.

00:32:50.000 But we're saying it's a very, very slim chance, and it's best we pull the plug.

00:32:54.000 How much money do they get for organs? 0.61

00:32:55.000 Quite a lot.

00:32:56.000 Quite a lot?

00:32:57.000 Do they encourage families to pull the plug?

00:32:59.000 I don't know, but I'm just saying, look, if it were me and I was laying on a bed and they were like, you know, he's dead, I'd be like, I'll say this, not for everybody, give me some time.

00:33:09.000 How long?

00:33:10.000 I probably wouldn't want to be bedridden for years, but a couple months maybe.

00:33:15.000 Give me a chance.

00:33:16.000 Give me a chance.

00:33:17.000 Six months.

00:33:18.000 I'll be like, first three months I'll be in a deep comatose regeneration, and the next three I'll come out after that.

00:33:22.000 You'll start feeling me.

00:33:23.000 I wouldn't want to just give up right away.

00:33:25.000 I've been married for 35 years and it's like I don't trust my wife.

00:33:31.000 I was going to say, this is actually something you can get into when you write your own living will.

00:33:35.000 This is called a limited will where you can say if I am unconscious for X amount of time, you may intubate me or you may not intubate me, you may let me go, or you may try to keep me alive as long as possible.

00:33:47.000 And that's something that everybody, every single person in this room, I don't care how old you are, should be thinking about now because you get in a car accident That's something they're going to want to know because

00:33:54.000 otherwise your loved ones are stopping that choice for you.

00:33:56.000 So I don't want to go too long.

00:33:58.000 So I'll just ask Ian one more question.

00:33:59.000 Maybe you guys can answer.

00:34:00.000 The reason I bring that story up is a lot of people try to make the argument that babies

00:34:07.000 can't feel pain or there's no brain activity.

00:34:09.000 Thus, they're not alive.

00:34:10.000 That's fine.

00:34:11.000 And there's a lot of questions about human beings in certain positions where you'd probably want to live.

00:34:17.000 And that baby wants to live.

00:34:19.000 One thing that's indicative to almost all life is the desire to continue living.

00:34:24.000 So just being like, for no reason at all, we're going to kill this.

00:34:26.000 But that's why I bring up that scenario so people, you know, you can think about that.

00:34:30.000 And, you know, maybe we're wrong, but let me ask you, Ian, if you got into a car accident and you were suffering from locked-in syndrome, And you could only move your eyes.

00:34:39.000 And the doctor says, by Jove, he's he's alive in there.

00:34:45.000 Look up and down for yes and left and right for no.

00:34:48.000 And you could.

00:34:48.000 And they're like, wow.

00:34:50.000 And the doctor says, Mr. Crossland, Elon Musk has entered the room.

00:34:55.000 And Ian goes, Ian, I know you can't give me complex answers, but I have Neuralink right here.

00:35:00.000 I'm going to put it in your brain to interface you with computers so you can continue to experience a whole new life.

00:35:06.000 Look up and down for yes, left and right for no.

00:35:09.000 Would you accept the Neuralink?

00:35:12.000 I want to tell him to give me six weeks to think about it.

00:35:15.000 How do I do that?

00:35:17.000 You can't.

00:35:17.000 There's no comeback later signal?

00:35:19.000 He's got, in order to communicate, you gotta get hooked up to the neural net.

00:35:21.000 Oh, jeez, how bad is it?

00:35:22.000 Would I be able to tell?

00:35:23.000 You think they can tell from their bet, from their comatose state, how bad it is?

00:35:26.000 No, no, no, no.

00:35:27.000 Or how their injuries are?

00:35:28.000 No, no, no.

00:35:28.000 They're saying, you're never gonna recover.

00:35:30.000 And all you can do is monetize.

00:35:32.000 I'd be one of the guinea pigs, I think.

00:35:33.000 And then what happens is he puts you in a like Situation like finds your personal hell and he places you

00:35:42.000 there and then Elon Musk It's all more P.S. Give you a pill he as soon as you're

00:35:46.000 hooked up after like 16 hours of surgery He leans over you in the bed, and he goes

00:35:51.000 Ian I've successfully performed the procedure And then all of a sudden you feel yourself sitting up and Elon's got a wristband and he's swiping and then you get up and you start doing the Charleston and you're thinking to yourself, no!

00:36:05.000 But would you guys Neuralink, you know, hook up to the brain interface if you were in a coma or something?

00:36:10.000 Oh yeah, I have no idea.

00:36:11.000 I have no idea.

00:36:12.000 I'd have to think about that.

00:36:13.000 I'd have to know more about what the neural link is.

00:36:15.000 I'm also curious to see what any theologians have to say about it.

00:36:19.000 You can't ask those questions.

00:36:20.000 No, I know, but I can't answer that question right now.

00:36:24.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:36:25.000 I don't know.

00:36:26.000 The answer would be no.

00:36:27.000 You have one chance to say yes, and it's now.

00:36:29.000 Before I can answer that question, I feel like there's more I would need to know before I can give a competent answer, and I'm not in that place, so I can't tell you what I would say.

00:36:36.000 I have no clue.

00:36:37.000 Sounds like we need to do more shows on the neural net.

00:36:39.000 I'd probably do it.

00:36:40.000 Yeah?

00:36:41.000 Yeah.

00:36:41.000 How come?

00:36:42.000 I don't know, I'd give it a chance.

00:36:44.000 Yeah, because they've restored partial mobility to paralyzed people by putting electrodes in their spine.

00:36:51.000 What about you?

00:36:52.000 Yeah, probably.

00:36:53.000 What are you?

00:36:54.000 You know, and it's not so much about me. It's about, you know what?

00:36:56.000 I give the science a chance.

00:36:59.000 Like if I can give something to humanity in my death, they can give me an opportunity.

00:37:04.000 I like a right to try.

00:37:07.000 Trump passed that.

00:37:09.000 What are you, Lydia?

00:37:10.000 I was going to say, as someone who has definitely has a wheelchair at some point in my future

00:37:15.000 because my brain is telling my body that it doesn't want to do the things

00:37:19.000 that it's supposed to do via my nerves.

00:37:22.000 I'm pretty sure that if Neuralink came out and was able to help people

00:37:25.000 who are paralyzed or otherwise immobilized and whose brains refuse to do what they're supposed to do.

00:37:30.000 I would probably say yes just because I don't have any other options.

00:37:33.000 It's not like cancer.

00:37:33.000 You don't survive it.

00:37:34.000 You're not a hero. 1.00

00:37:35.000 You're just something you fucking live with for the rest of your life and you eventually decompose until you're like a walking zombie. 1.00

00:37:40.000 I've seen it happen. 0.98

00:37:41.000 So thinking about Neuralink is especially interesting to me because I'm like, what if they could make it so that you could live a truly normal life with something like multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's?

00:37:53.000 And then you were able to go on and you didn't become Elon Musk's tool like Tim was talking about, but you were able to do normal functional things.

00:38:00.000 I think that's great.

00:38:00.000 How amazing would it be if like, you know, it's the year 2027, Elon Musk is going on the Joe Rogan experience and he's sitting in the chair and you're sitting next to him and Joe's like, Elon, who's this guy?

00:38:14.000 And he's like, oh, this is my personal valet.

00:38:16.000 He's got locked-in syndrome, but we plugged a program into his brain, and now I can control his body.

00:38:22.000 He can't communicate, but he gets stuff for me.

00:38:26.000 And then he, like, swipes, and you go, hey, Joe.

00:38:29.000 Well, at least you could still roll your eyes.

00:38:31.000 You're like, your eyes are going crazy.

00:38:33.000 But he couldn't roll a 20.

00:38:34.000 That's right.

00:38:35.000 But he couldn't roll a 20.

00:38:37.000 All right, all right, all right.

00:38:38.000 Let's not go too long.

00:38:38.000 We have time for one more story about Gosnell.

00:38:40.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:38:41.000 Yes, please.

00:38:42.000 This is my favorite story about what happened on Gosnell.

00:38:44.000 We were shooting the movie, and there was one part that I couldn't find.

00:38:48.000 I hadn't been able to find an actress that suited this part.

00:38:52.000 It was the part of a woman who had gone to Gosnell to get an abortion, and then she had Uh, changed her mind after she'd gotten home.

00:39:01.000 She felt the baby kick and she called up and she said, I'm not going to have the abortion.

00:39:05.000 And he said, it's too late.

00:39:06.000 I've already put the, uh, the sticks inside you, whatever to, to, you know, stretch you out so that we can get the baby out. 0.95

00:39:13.000 And he says, I'm not coming back.

00:39:15.000 And she went to a hospital, had the procedure reversed and she had the baby.

00:39:21.000 And in the movie, at the end of the movie, this woman comes up and she has a little four-year-old girl.

00:39:27.000 And she thanks the DA for prosecuting her.

00:39:30.000 Well, anyway, I'm looking for this part.

00:39:32.000 I can't find this part.

00:39:34.000 And I'm sitting in a Waffle House, because I love Waffle House, and there's a waitress there who's going around apologizing to everybody.

00:39:41.000 For their food being late or whatever and I keep looking at this woman and I'm like this she's perfect for that part and so finally I go up to her and I say look I'm not a serial killer I'm actually a big-time director And I'm making a movie.

00:39:58.000 I know that sounds like a lot, but have you ever acted before?

00:40:00.000 And she said, no.

00:40:01.000 And I said, would you consider doing this part?

00:40:04.000 And she said, well, I guess.

00:40:07.000 And I went back and got the script.

00:40:10.000 I brought it to her.

00:40:11.000 We sat there in the Waffle House.

00:40:12.000 She read the lines.

00:40:14.000 And I said, well, would you, you know, I think you can do this part.

00:40:17.000 It's only like three or four lines, but it's a very powerful part.

00:40:21.000 She said, well, I don't know.

00:40:22.000 How much does it pay?

00:40:23.000 And I said, well, it's probably going to be three days work and you'll probably make about $700 a day.

00:40:28.000 She says, okay.

00:40:31.000 And so, you know, she had her whole family follow her to the set the first day just to make sure that I wasn't, you know, some crazy person.

00:40:40.000 And we shoot the scene and she was great.

00:40:42.000 She was really good.

00:40:44.000 Had this really beautiful look about her.

00:40:45.000 What was her name?

00:40:47.000 Her name was Tessa.

00:40:49.000 Tessa Franklin was her name.

00:40:51.000 And after we'd done like the second day, she came to me and she said, you know, this happened to me.

00:40:57.000 I go, what are you talking about?

00:41:00.000 She said, I went to have an abortion.

00:41:02.000 And I changed my mind after I saw the ultrasound.

00:41:05.000 Wow.

00:41:06.000 Wow.

00:41:07.000 And I was just like, you know, I got chills.

00:41:10.000 I was like, wow, this is divine.

00:41:13.000 You know, this is the hand of God here.

00:41:16.000 I think it's so funny that the left is afraid of the laws that say you've got to get an ultrasound because they know what's going to happen.

00:41:23.000 The more information you have, the less likely you are to choose abortion.

00:41:26.000 That's right.

00:41:27.000 And that's why they have to keep suppressing that.

00:41:30.000 And that's why they can't watch the movie.

00:41:32.000 That's why they never would even review Gosnell.

00:41:34.000 I'd never heard of his name until today.

00:41:37.000 I'd never heard anything about this until today, until like three hours ago.

00:41:44.000 The reason I ask is because I'm looking at the cast and I was wondering if she'd come up in the cast list or anything like that.

00:41:51.000 I can't remember the character's name, but her name is Tessa with a Y in it.

00:41:55.000 T-E-S-S-Y-A Franklin. 0.99

00:41:57.000 When you were telling the story, I was like, and they're going to be like, and it was Jennifer Aniston.

00:42:00.000 Or you tell us some really famous person, but I think yours is better.

00:42:03.000 And it's also like, it's not really about what we look like.

00:42:05.000 You could see more than her looks.

00:42:06.000 Like you felt her energy or her.

00:42:09.000 It really, and looking back on it, it was just like, I kept, I just kept seeing her and going, she's perfect for this.

00:42:15.000 And, and it's like, I don't know.

00:42:17.000 I mean, it's just, it's not a coincidence.

00:42:21.000 You know, I don't believe it.

00:42:22.000 Do you believe in coincidence?

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 I don't think it is either.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 Do you think coincidence is real?

00:42:27.000 I don't.

00:42:28.000 Not really.

00:42:29.000 I mean, I think.

00:42:31.000 Oh, what do you think?

00:42:32.000 Well, I believe in divine guidance.

00:42:37.000 I got to tell you, watching that comedian mock COVID, getting the vaccines, and then blaspheme and falling down and hitting her head.

00:42:44.000 I've been into like the electric universe.

00:42:45.000 It's another kind of an alternate theory on the universe that it's all magnetic and like, so if that's the case, I really believe that divinity is like a magnetic force.

00:42:53.000 But what if it's not magnet?

00:42:54.000 Well, I guess I'm curious what the magnetism... I think the magnetism is the result of a spin.

00:42:59.000 Well, you guys should do a conversation.

00:43:01.000 All I want to say is I think the universe is incredible regardless of what we find at rock bottom with respect to the substance of it.

00:43:08.000 All right.

00:43:09.000 You guys should do a conversation.

00:43:10.000 We should.

00:43:10.000 Ian, we have to.

00:43:11.000 It's been a blast.

00:43:12.000 Thanks for hanging out.

00:43:13.000 Thank you for having me, Tim.

00:43:15.000 Thanks for being members, everybody.

00:43:16.000 Thanks for making all this possible.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - February 20, 2022

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