Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Jussie Smollett Is GOING TO JAIL, Screams He's Innocent After Sentencing w-Kim Iversen

00:00:00.000 You Jussie Smollett is going to jail. He was in the courtroom

00:00:13.000 and he was ranting and he was saying I'm not crazy Institution you're the one know what actually happened was

00:00:19.000 he was sentenced to 150 days in jail 30 months of probation And then he yelled out that he's not suicidal and that he

00:00:25.000 didn't do it and now everyone's making a meme about it Juicy Smoolyay will be in jail. 1.00

00:00:31.000 We got a bunch of crazy news, man.

00:00:31.000 We'll talk about that.

00:00:33.000 Facebook's basically getting rid of their rules.

00:00:35.000 Facebook says you're allowed to call for violence so long as it's against Russians and Vladimir Putin.

00:00:41.000 I'm wondering if YouTube will allow that too, because then, you know what I'm gonna do?

00:00:45.000 I'm gonna abuse that.

00:00:46.000 I'm gonna abuse it like crazy.

00:00:48.000 I'm gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna say it.

00:00:49.000 I'm gonna say it.

00:00:50.000 I'm gonna say it.

00:00:50.000 Okay, but until we get the go-ahead from YouTube that the rules no longer apply so long as you're calling for the death of a Russian, well...

00:00:58.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:00:59.000 That's where we're at.

00:01:00.000 We've also got the censorship getting absolutely insane.

00:01:02.000 DuckDuckGo has announced they'll be censoring their search feed, basically destroying their entire value proposition with a single tweet.

00:01:08.000 And then, here's where it gets crazy, The Hill got censored.

00:01:13.000 That's just absolutely nuts.

00:01:14.000 So we'll talk about that, and joining us to actually clarify as to what happened, why The Hill got censored, is Kim Iverson.

00:01:21.000 Hi, thanks for having me.

00:01:22.000 Yeah, so who are you?

00:01:23.000 What do you do?

00:01:24.000 Well, I'm Kim and I'm on The Hills Rising.

00:01:27.000 I also have my own YouTube channel and also on Rumble and Locals and all those other places and whatnot.

00:01:32.000 So, but yeah, we just, I'm here in the DC area because I came back, I was actually supposed to be here on Monday to be in studio for The Hills Rising, which I've been hosting since Last July, but because of COVID, I wasn't in the studio.

00:01:47.000 The other two hosts were in the studio, Ryan Grimm and Robbie Soave, and we've had a rotating cast of hosts this whole time, but they wanted me to come into the studio.

00:01:54.000 Then we had to postpone the trip because suddenly we got the notification that the channel had been suspended for reporting the news.

00:02:02.000 For reporting the news.

00:02:03.000 Seven day suspension, no uploading of content, no live streaming.

00:02:07.000 This is The Hill.

00:02:08.000 This is a major news organization.

00:02:10.000 And the entire channel was suspended.

00:02:13.000 And it was because what had happened was the channel a year ago had actually aired.

00:02:19.000 So we have Rising on the channel, but then also The Hill just airs footage.

00:02:23.000 And there's no commentary.

00:02:24.000 There's no host.

00:02:24.000 It's not a podcast or anything like that.

00:02:26.000 It's just raw footage, like C-SPAN style.

00:02:28.000 And a year ago they aired raw footage from CPAC and some of the some of the speeches that were at CPAC and they got a strike for doing that and then being a news organization the Hill said you know we're airing more CPAC so they aired CPAC this year raw footage again did it again thinking we're a news organization we should be able to air footage from what would be newsworthy speeches and then rising Did a segment about Trump talking on Lori Ingram's show, talking about Vladimir Putin, how he's a genius.

00:03:04.000 I don't know if you saw that clip.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 And in that clip, he says something, you know, he says things.

00:03:10.000 Says things about the election.

00:03:12.000 And we know he always says these.

00:03:12.000 Right.

00:03:14.000 He makes the same claims over and over and over again.

00:03:16.000 Right.

00:03:16.000 It's a Trump thing to do.

00:03:17.000 And he made a claim.

00:03:19.000 And because the segment on rising was about what he said about Vladimir Putin and it was about Ukraine.

00:03:27.000 No one on the panel, no one in the discussion immediately said that fake, you know, that is a fact check and popped in and immediately fact-checked the claim.

00:03:37.000 Which is what you have to do according to YouTube's guidelines, their election misinformation guidelines, is you have to immediately in real time say, that is not true, you know, what he's saying is fake news.

00:03:51.000 Well, this is the current state of media, but it's okay.

00:03:55.000 It's okay. 0.80

00:03:55.000 If you're calling for the death of Russians, now Facebook says that's good. 0.80

00:03:59.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:04:00.000 And Twitter clearly must allow that as well.

00:04:02.000 Yes.

00:04:03.000 Well, I mean, they allowed it already, so.

00:04:06.000 But I also want to talk to you about, you tweeted recently about voting straight ticket Republican.

00:04:11.000 We'll get into all that.

00:04:12.000 That was interesting.

00:04:13.000 But we'll get into it.

00:04:14.000 We also have Seamus hanging out.

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00:05:05.000 I know a Russian that might be good.

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00:05:09.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.

00:05:11.000 Very excited for tonight's conversation.

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00:05:13.000 Very smart input.

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00:07:20.000 Here it is, ladies and gentlemen, the moment you have all been waiting for.

00:07:23.000 Jussie Smollett, sentenced to 150 days in jail, 30 months of probation, and here's the best part.

00:07:30.000 Following the sentencing, he screamed, I am not suicidal, and I did not do it.

00:07:35.000 He's also going to have to pay the city of Chicago $120,000 in restitution and was fined $25,000.

00:07:41.000 So he's still saying he's innocent.

00:07:45.000 I think his life is basically over, but... Well, he clearly thinks so, too.

00:07:49.000 Yeah.

00:07:49.000 Otherwise, he wouldn't have yelled out, I'm not suicidal.

00:07:51.000 He thinks he's going to get Epstein'd.

00:07:54.000 I think you're going to be fine, Jussie.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, that's really sad.

00:07:56.000 I don't think he's that important.

00:07:57.000 The guy planning on killing himself and making it seem like someone else did it?

00:08:01.000 That's insane.

00:08:01.000 Who would be trying to kill him?

00:08:03.000 What kind of paranoia would lead him to think that anyone out there is trying to suicide him in prison?

00:08:08.000 Now we're getting into crazy conspiracy territory because there was already crazy conspiracy theories around what he did because at the time those two Nigerian Trump supporters attacked him, so he claimed, and he still asserts his innocence.

00:08:21.000 Kamala Harris was advocating for this lynching bill, which I believe just passed, didn't it?

00:08:25.000 Yeah, it did pass, yeah.

00:08:27.000 Tim Scott helped, yeah.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, a lot of people were like, isn't that weird that this thing happened to Smollett at the same time and he's friends with these people?

00:08:34.000 Look, I think the guy was staging a hoax to bolster his career, you know?

00:08:38.000 You don't need to draw a bigger conspiracy than that, you know what I mean?

00:08:40.000 But for him to come out and scream he's not suicidal, when the conspiracy was already that he was colluding with Democrats to pass laws or whatever, which is...

00:08:49.000 A bit absurd, you know, in and of itself.

00:08:52.000 Maybe he's playing that up.

00:08:53.000 Maybe he's trying to make people think that, you know, I don't know, there's a conspiracy against him or something.

00:08:57.000 He strikes me as a really, really scared person.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 In general.

00:09:02.000 He can also obviously just be completely insane.

00:09:05.000 I don't know.

00:09:06.000 But that's just a very bizarre response. 0.99

00:09:08.000 The dude's clearly insane.

00:09:09.000 Well, I mean, if you're going into, for one, it's scary to go to prison, right?

00:09:12.000 So of course he's extremely scared and he doesn't know what's going to happen to him.

00:09:15.000 You worry about your safety when you're going to prison.

00:09:17.000 But I don't know if it has to be some super big conspiracy of thinking, oh, the government's after me or it's somebody, you know, and they're going to Epstein me in prison or something.

00:09:25.000 I mean, I think it could just be as simple as people are angry with him for staging a crime when there's real racism in the world and he's now faking it in order to get attention and it upsets people.

00:09:36.000 That's a good point.

00:09:37.000 He might just go to jail and there might be some guy who's like, you have set us back, you know, how many years with civil rights?

00:09:44.000 And just be like, he's not going to prison.

00:09:46.000 He's going to jail.

00:09:47.000 So if he's in Chicago, I think he might go to county over at like 26 in California.

00:09:51.000 I think that's where it's at, which is really bad.

00:09:54.000 He's not going to go away for that very long, though.

00:09:56.000 150 days.

00:09:57.000 He's going to be out.

00:09:59.000 I mean, how long do you think he's going to actually serve of 150 days?

00:10:02.000 But of that felony charge, he can't travel anymore.

00:10:05.000 It's going to be really difficult for him to travel internationally.

00:10:08.000 So here's my understanding about Chicago.

00:10:10.000 I don't know.

00:10:10.000 I think they'll put him in Cook County Jail.

00:10:13.000 I think it's at 26th and California on the south side.

00:10:16.000 What I'm told from all the people who are down there, You're probably going to be fine.

00:10:20.000 It's a pretty bad spot, but everyone's scared because when you're there, in Illinois, you can only go to jail for just under one year, so 364 days.

00:10:29.000 If you hit 365, you have to go to prison.

00:10:31.000 So prison is a year or more.

00:10:32.000 At least that's my understanding.

00:10:33.000 I could be wrong about this.

00:10:34.000 So for people who are at Cook County, just in jail, they're like, hey man, I don't want any trouble, man.

00:10:38.000 I'm going to get out.

00:10:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:39.000 Don't screw around because they'll charge you with something and then push it longer and then send you to like Joliet or something like that.

00:10:45.000 I think he's gonna be fine.

00:10:47.000 I think he's gonna go to jail and he's gonna complain about it.

00:10:50.000 Him screaming he's not suicidal, to me, sounds more like a spoiled rich guy who doesn't know what real hardship is, and he's probably freaking out, like, oh man, oh, they're gonna kill me in prison, oh!

00:10:59.000 Yeah, that's fair, that's probably more, yeah.

00:11:01.000 I was looking at some of the quotes from the judge.

00:11:04.000 One is, your very name has become an adverb for lying.

00:11:06.000 One is, you are throwing a national pity party for yourself.

00:11:12.000 I didn't listen to it yet, but this is... Well, he's not wrong.

00:11:15.000 Well, here's my question, you guys.

00:11:16.000 150 days in jail.

00:11:18.000 Too long.

00:11:19.000 No, not for a federal crime like this.

00:11:19.000 No.

00:11:19.000 Just too long.

00:11:21.000 The guy... I don't think it was federal, was it?

00:11:23.000 It was just like... You mean felony?

00:11:23.000 Really?

00:11:26.000 A felony.

00:11:27.000 There's a difference.

00:11:27.000 It was a felony.

00:11:28.000 Okay.

00:11:29.000 Federal is like when you cross state lines and do it.

00:11:30.000 Okay.

00:11:31.000 No, no.

00:11:31.000 Not federal.

00:11:32.000 It was multiple felonies.

00:11:33.000 It was definitely felonious.

00:11:34.000 I mean, I don't care who you are.

00:11:35.000 At some point... Well, I guess if you're the president, it's not illegal.

00:11:40.000 But at some point... Because copycats will come along and do what he did if they don't punish the guy.

00:11:45.000 There's got to be another way to punish him than just jail.

00:11:47.000 I mean, I know we're a society that just really loves to incarcerate people.

00:11:50.000 But I just think that there's maybe another way.

00:11:52.000 I mean, this guy's not a danger to anyone.

00:11:55.000 And we have overcrowding in prisons.

00:11:57.000 We incarcerate everybody for everything.

00:11:59.000 And I just think certain crimes when you're not an actual danger.

00:12:02.000 I mean, I'm not afraid of this guy.

00:12:04.000 If I cross him in the street, what is he going to do to me?

00:12:07.000 Nothing.

00:12:07.000 What is he going to do to you?

00:12:08.000 I mean, I understand.

00:12:09.000 I think he should pay for what he's done.

00:12:11.000 But I think there's maybe another way to do it than to just incarcerate.

00:12:14.000 Yeah.

00:12:15.000 Physically violent, a physical violent threat, but his mind is dangerous because he got cops to waste their time and take them away from people that could have needed their help.

00:12:24.000 Totally.

00:12:24.000 Exactly.

00:12:25.000 And, I mean, as a rich celebrity, paying a fine isn't necessarily going to be the worst thing in the world for him.

00:12:29.000 This is someone who literally just smeared half of the country by insinuating that because they were Trump supporters, they wanted to hurt him, and that it's a fact that there are just these roving Trump supporters going around the country in Democrat-run cities like Chicago trying to lynch people at 2 in the morning.

00:12:44.000 So how about he gets sentenced to attending every Trump rally?

00:12:51.000 Or like public shaming like they do in China.

00:12:54.000 Here's the thing, that would provide him with so many opportunities to come up with fake hate crime stories and the Democrats would believe every single one.

00:13:00.000 They'd be like, just because he lied once doesn't mean these other ones aren't true.

00:13:03.000 There's got to be something else though.

00:13:05.000 I agree with you.

00:13:06.000 Re-education camps.

00:13:07.000 For some reason, I was watching 60 Days In last night, this reality show I'd never heard of until last night about people going undercover into prison.

00:13:13.000 And I was like, it's real.

00:13:14.000 It's like, finally, I've never been in prison and I didn't really understand what it is until last night.

00:13:20.000 I'm starting to get an idea of how stuck together all these people are in the higher art.

00:13:24.000 Immediately you get in and it's like just gang warfare, basically.

00:13:27.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:13:27.000 I don't think it's good for people like Jussie.

00:13:29.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:13:30.000 No, and there's other ways to punish people other than, right now it is just prison or fines.

00:13:34.000 I mean, I'm saying there are other ways and there's other countries that have figured out other ways.

00:13:38.000 And then we would just have to have a discussion on how moral they are.

00:13:41.000 Is there anything in particular you'd recommend?

00:13:42.000 Well, like China literally just did a public shaming event where they made the people, they marched them down the street and they had to wear signs.

00:13:51.000 And there was a parade of people looking at them, and the sign, you know, said what they had done, and there was... Yeah, but that's a struggle question.

00:13:58.000 But I'm not saying that's exactly what we would do, but we would have some discussion on what would be the ethical or moral thing to do that doesn't involve necessarily prison or a fine.

00:14:06.000 You know, get out of jail free card, or get out of a jail for a fee.

00:14:09.000 17 years of hard labor and a brick and rocks?

00:14:11.000 Well, I mean, in the United States, we have a much more humane method of public humiliation, where we take people who were never given a trial, and then our media just smears them for arguing against the narrative.

00:14:20.000 That's great.

00:14:21.000 Well, that's what they argued.

00:14:22.000 Like, his defense attorney said that he's already had his reputation and life destroyed.

00:14:26.000 He's suffered enough.

00:14:27.000 Exactly.

00:14:27.000 And of course, I'm not trying to make light of China or their tactics for punishment, but Jesse Smollett has clearly been publicly humiliated.

00:14:35.000 At the end of this thing, he yells out, I didn't do it.

00:14:37.000 Like, come on, he did it though, didn't he?

00:14:39.000 That's a very good point.

00:14:40.000 He hasn't accepted responsibility for the crime yet.

00:14:42.000 It's hard to be sympathetic to him.

00:14:44.000 He should go to jail until he admits that he did it.

00:14:47.000 Oh my gosh, now we're talking.

00:14:48.000 I'm absolutely joking about Albright.

00:14:51.000 All you gotta do is say you did it and you can go home.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:14:54.000 I did it!

00:14:54.000 Oh, you're going to prison now, you confessed!

00:14:56.000 You know, the thing about jail, I think they're completely broken.

00:15:01.000 Sending, you know, you get these young men, they'll go to prison for some petty crime or some, like, some relatively minor offense, but enough to warrant prison.

00:15:08.000 And then they come out hardened.

00:15:09.000 They come out just mixing all of these people who are of a criminal element.

00:15:14.000 So I don't know what the answer is, but I think the reason we just do prison and fines is because the U.S.

00:15:20.000 cannot engage in cruel and unusual punishment.

00:15:23.000 So unusual simply means out of the ordinary.

00:15:26.000 We need to have a set system where it's like everybody has to abide by the same kind of punishment.

00:15:32.000 The problem, I suppose, is we've grown to view prison as punishment or retribution instead of rehabilitation.

00:15:40.000 People want justice, and to most people, they want you to suffer.

00:15:44.000 And that's a problem.

00:15:45.000 You know, there's a video I watched.

00:15:47.000 It's crazy.

00:15:48.000 This guy murders this young girl.

00:15:50.000 He's in court. 0.89

00:15:51.000 And he's sitting there, and he's like a serial killer.

00:15:54.000 And this was like a viral video on Reddit. 0.97

00:15:55.000 And all of these people are yelling at him like, you're a monster and what you've done. 0.74

00:15:59.000 And he's just stone-faced the whole time. 0.92

00:16:01.000 And then finally, like, this guy comes up and he's like, I forgive you for what you've done.

00:16:04.000 And then the murderer just starts bawling and crying and freaking out.

00:16:07.000 And it's like, Man, maybe we need to reassess as a society what our goals are with people who break the law.

00:16:17.000 So, I hear what you're saying, and I place a lot of emphasis and value on forgiveness as a Christian.

00:16:21.000 I think it's unbelievably important.

00:16:23.000 But we also can't engage in a kind of false mercy, which refuses to punish crime, because then what happens is more people commit crimes against innocent victims, and there's more human suffering generated overall.

00:16:32.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:16:34.000 I think it is, yeah.

00:16:35.000 If there are no criminal punishments for crimes, of course people are going to be more likely to commit crimes, and you're going to have more innocent victims who are harmed.

00:16:41.000 I mean, I agree that you have to have punishment for a crime, but I don't know if saying, well, we're going to punish, you know, we're going to criminalize, the more we criminalize, then something will be, you'll be deterred from doing it because we've criminalized it.

00:16:54.000 I mean, we've seen evidence of that not being the case.

00:16:56.000 It depends.

00:16:56.000 I mean, look, I know a lot of people who are afraid to go to any kind of protest event because of the way the United States government has come down on people for the January 6th events, even though they hadn't even done anything violent.

00:17:07.000 So people are afraid of prison time, including people who aren't doing anything wrong or planning on doing anything wrong.

00:17:12.000 I think they start off that way.

00:17:13.000 I agree.

00:17:14.000 I think that there is a chilling effect at first, but then people start to relax a little bit and they figure out workarounds.

00:17:20.000 And then they start doing those workarounds.

00:17:22.000 I think it can happen.

00:17:23.000 Again, I mean, I would argue that prison time or the potential for prison time is a pretty strong incentive against committing a crime.

00:17:28.000 I also agree with you that it's not perfect.

00:17:31.000 And it's a very complicated system because the United States does have a very large share of prisoners compared to other countries.

00:17:37.000 I don't exactly know what the solution to that problem is, but I do think punishment is not necessarily a bad thing.

00:17:42.000 Yeah.

00:17:42.000 I got it.

00:17:43.000 Compromise between the left and the right.

00:17:46.000 We abolish prisons.

00:17:48.000 And prison sentences.

00:17:50.000 And we abolished the ATF and all gun laws.

00:17:53.000 There you go.

00:17:54.000 Problem solved!

00:17:59.000 All the criminals can leave and I can walk around New York City armed.

00:18:02.000 That's a compromise.

00:18:04.000 And I will say this about the prison system.

00:18:05.000 One unbelievably massive glaring problem is how rampant sexual assault is behind bars in many places and how that isn't really something that's sorted out.

00:18:14.000 And I think there's a good argument to be made that knowing that someone is likely to be sexually assaulted in prison and then sending them there could be argued to be a cruel and unusual punishment.

00:18:22.000 It's not exactly Exactly the same, because you're not guaranteed it's going to happen.

00:18:25.000 But most people are afraid of going to prison for that specific reason.

00:18:28.000 But I don't know if we've ever cared about cruel and unusual punishment when it comes to prisons.

00:18:32.000 I mean, for goodness sakes, we electrocuted people for a long time.

00:18:35.000 Do you know how barbaric that sounds?

00:18:37.000 I mean, just looking back, who was the guy that thought... Well, it was a killer though, right?

00:18:40.000 Well, yeah, so that's in that we thought for whatever reason that that was a good idea, a humane idea, a moral or ethical idea to electrocute a person to death.

00:18:51.000 Well, look, there are other ways to kill a person.

00:18:53.000 Look at lethal injection, right?

00:18:54.000 What's the idea behind lethal injection?

00:18:56.000 It's humane.

00:18:57.000 I was reading one study that said lethal injection, and maybe this is wrong, so you know, I'm not an expert on this.

00:19:03.000 They give you three injections, I'm pretty sure, three different drugs.

00:19:06.000 The first one paralyzes you because the next one's excruciatingly painful and they don't want you to be able to show it.

00:19:11.000 So still, you know, are there any states that allow firing squad?

00:19:16.000 Utah.

00:19:17.000 Utah does firing squad.

00:19:18.000 I'm opposed to the death penalty outright, 100%.

00:19:20.000 So I don't think we should be killing people at all.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, part of this conversation is like punishing crime.

00:19:27.000 I kind of agree, but then who decides what's legal and what's not legal?

00:19:31.000 That's the danger.

00:19:31.000 The legislative bodies of America.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, or the executive order or something like that.

00:19:35.000 And they're like, now walking on the left side of the street is illegal.

00:19:38.000 And if you did it yesterday, you're retroactively guilty.

00:19:40.000 Can you not give them ideas, please?

00:19:42.000 I don't hate crime.

00:19:42.000 I dislike evil.

00:19:42.000 This is an excellent segue into this other story.

00:19:50.000 We were initially going to lead with this one, then the juicy Smolier stuff broke.

00:19:54.000 But check this out.

00:19:55.000 Reuters says Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against

00:20:00.000 invading Russians or Putin's death.

00:20:04.000 That to me is absolutely amazing.

00:20:05.000 They say, In the context of the Ukraine invasion.

00:20:07.000 What does that mean?

00:20:08.000 users in some countries to call for violence against Russian and Russian

00:20:11.000 soldiers Russians and Russian soldiers civilians and yeah yeah in the context

00:20:17.000 of the Ukraine invasion what does that mean what does that mean does that mean

00:20:20.000 you can be like I just plain don't like the invasion and then say just kill

00:20:24.000 civilians or something like every Russian should pay yes right until and 0.92

00:20:28.000 Until when?

00:20:29.000 You know, the thing that I don't understand about all of these sanctions and even just these ideas that you've got to take it out on Russians, and I even saw this video that was circulating of this group in Canada that was painting, they were vandalizing a Russian community center, you know, and they were painting all over it blue and yellow.

00:20:47.000 And it's just, okay, if we in the West continue to assert and believe that Vladimir Putin is a dictator and that they don't live in a democracy, then why would we take anything out on the people?

00:21:01.000 What purpose is that?

00:21:02.000 Because you'd only do that if you think the people are then going to turn around and pressure their government or you're punishing them for voting that government in like they were a democracy and look at the bad choice you people made.

00:21:12.000 But if you don't believe it's a democracy, then what are you doing?

00:21:15.000 Well, so the reason I think this was an excellent segue from the previous segment, Ian was talking about how there could be an executive decree like, okay, now this thing is not allowed anymore.

00:21:24.000 In this instance, we're seeing what happens when we end up in corporatocracy, where our social discussions, our society is being ruled by technocrats in Silicon Valley who change the rules on a whim.

00:21:34.000 Mark Zuckerberg, apparently.

00:21:35.000 Mark Zuckerberg, apparently.

00:21:36.000 They'll say, you can't do these things that are against the rule, and then when they want to enact massive societal change, they'll come out and be like, you are now allowed, peasants.

00:21:44.000 Do as we say.

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:46.000 That's creepy.

00:21:48.000 I see. 0.99

00:21:48.000 Calling for violence against invading Russians. 0.99

00:21:51.000 That's not what it says.

00:21:52.000 No, no, no, no.

00:21:52.000 Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of Ukraine invasion.

00:21:56.000 What that means... So as long as you frame it that way.

00:21:58.000 It depends on what it means.

00:22:00.000 So we'll have to see the exact policy.

00:22:02.000 They say, as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we have temporarily made allowances for some four forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules, like violent speech, such as, quote, death to Russian invaders.

00:22:12.000 We still won't allow credible cause for violence against Russian civilians.

00:22:15.000 Okay, that's an important distinction.

00:22:17.000 Except who's a Russian invader? 0.95

00:22:19.000 Right.

00:22:20.000 The Russian military.

00:22:20.000 What about a guy who's like in Vladivostok who's like chilling in a boat?

00:22:26.000 The guy making the steel like in the middle of the country that is getting shipped to make the tanks, you know, he's part of the war machine now, even though he's a civilian, but they're pretty clear that they don't want to target civilians.

00:22:37.000 But again, the definition of a civilian is where it gets really muddy.

00:22:40.000 And that's what's going on even with the war, you know, when they're talking about, oh, these civilians are being killed in Ukraine, and it's like, well, okay, but what do you classify?

00:22:46.000 Who do you classify as a civilian when they're conscripting everybody, giving them a gun, telling them to fight?

00:22:53.000 So if every male 18 to 60 years old is given a weapon and told to go fight, now a civilian is no longer...

00:23:00.000 But I think they might be counting them as civilians.

00:23:02.000 No, no, sure, I agree.

00:23:03.000 But you'd have to call them militia. 0.85

00:23:05.000 You'd have to say like, you know, Russians kill 12 militia.

00:23:08.000 They're not doing that because it's all a big propaganda machine.

00:23:11.000 Sure.

00:23:12.000 This stuff scares me because some people would argue it's reasonable.

00:23:17.000 Oh, but we're talking about war and violence.

00:23:18.000 And I'm like, I don't care.

00:23:20.000 You know, we have two problems here.

00:23:21.000 One, I don't think you should be calling for the death of people.

00:23:24.000 I think you can say, we're being invaded and I will defend myself and defend my country.

00:23:27.000 That I understand. 0.89

00:23:28.000 But to be like, I am calling for the death of this group or whatever.

00:23:31.000 The other issue is that the rules of our society and what ideas are allowed are being dictated by technocrats who are unelected.

00:23:40.000 Now that's a scary prospect.

00:23:41.000 You want to claim Vladimir Putin is bad because he's a dictator?

00:23:43.000 I'll be like, sure.

00:23:44.000 What about our society being dominated by Facebook and Google?

00:23:48.000 How much industry is digital now?

00:23:50.000 How many people have jobs that are based on YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or whatever?

00:23:56.000 And these companies, but my private platforms, they can just eliminate you from your entire job.

00:24:02.000 Gone in an instant.

00:24:03.000 Because they decided it.

00:24:04.000 But do you think they're the ones deciding, or do you think the politicians are pressuring them?

00:24:09.000 Because then it really does become a First Amendment issue when, if they're making policy decisions based on the pressure they're getting from politicians because they're afraid of regulation.

00:24:19.000 I think it's both.

00:24:21.000 Yeah, that was my thought too.

00:24:23.000 Both.

00:24:23.000 It just seems like, from a platform perspective, you'd want no regulation whatsoever.

00:24:29.000 You'd want just people to say whatever, and you wouldn't care, because that brings more people to your platform.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, so, my biggest question is, who would be wanting to make it so that you can say this about Russia?

00:24:40.000 Well, hold on.

00:24:41.000 We have news.

00:24:43.000 The temporary policy changes on calls for violence to Russian soldiers applies to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, and Ukraine, according to one email.

00:24:55.000 That means if you're a Russian citizen in Russia, you can be calling for the death of your own military.

00:25:01.000 If you are Polish, NATO country or Lithuania or Latvia or Estonia, you can call for death. 0.98

00:25:07.000 It's very, very weird.

00:25:10.000 Zuckerberg for sure wants Ukraine to win the war.

00:25:13.000 I mean, he's bought into the propaganda and he's an ideologue.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, I don't think it's Zuckerberg personally.

00:25:18.000 He owns like 60% of the company.

00:25:19.000 He makes all the decisions.

00:25:21.000 Didn't we have the Biden administration actively pressuring social media companies to remove vaccine misinformation?

00:25:25.000 We know that the United States government is above doing this kind of thing.

00:25:28.000 However, I will say to your point asking about whether Zuckerberg could have any motivation to avoid regulation, it's interesting because Facebook has actually been pushing for certain regulations surrounding speech codes online.

00:25:40.000 I think it might actually be advantageous for them in some ways depending upon what

00:25:44.000 the legislation is because then people aren't angry with them as a company when they ban

00:25:49.000 people and they won't be likely to go to competitors.

00:25:51.000 They'll just see it as a large overarching thing.

00:25:54.000 And then those regulations that Facebook loves to place in its terms of service become policy

00:25:59.000 for the entire country.

00:26:00.000 So small people who might compete with Facebook by having a more free speech platform won't

00:26:04.000 be able to do so.

00:26:06.000 Or they're just trying to get into the China market.

00:26:08.000 That's possible as well.

00:26:09.000 Absolutely.

00:26:10.000 I actually think that's really what's going on with Google, Twitter and Facebook as they're trying to get into the China market.

00:26:15.000 And they were banned back in 2011.

00:26:17.000 China said, you can't come into our country because you're not willing to censor.

00:26:20.000 And their response was, we're an American company.

00:26:22.000 We have American values.

00:26:23.000 We don't censor.

00:26:24.000 And now that's obviously changed.

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 Censorship.

00:26:28.000 It's here, man.

00:26:29.000 It's coming.

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 DuckDuckGo announced it.

00:26:31.000 We'll get into that in a little bit.

00:26:33.000 They just destroyed themselves.

00:26:34.000 That is so terrible.

00:26:35.000 That's what I use.

00:26:36.000 Why would I use DuckDuckGo ever again after this?

00:26:39.000 What's the better search engine?

00:26:41.000 I don't know.

00:26:41.000 Brave?

00:26:42.000 Brave has their own search engine.

00:26:43.000 Oh, it does?

00:26:44.000 Someone tweeted that.

00:26:46.000 But, you know, we'll stay a little bit focused on this because there's another bit of news related to this.

00:26:51.000 We talked about it with Magic Noirs.

00:26:53.000 Facebook previously allowed you to praise Uh, one Nazi group, the Azov Battalion.

00:26:59.000 So if you were actively praising Nazis on Facebook, so long it was the Ukrainian soldiers, that was allowed. 0.87

00:27:04.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:27:05.000 You can't praise the swastika. 0.54

00:27:06.000 They're afraid of the swastika, but not Nazism. 0.81

00:27:08.000 Just the swastika.

00:27:09.000 Although they have a swastika.

00:27:11.000 It's like that diagonal one.

00:27:13.000 And it's like half a swastika with the Azov Battalion. 0.53

00:27:16.000 But Facebook is like, okay, this time it's fine.

00:27:18.000 That's so crazy.

00:27:19.000 That's crazy.

00:27:20.000 The enemy of my enemy is my friend. 0.94

00:27:22.000 All of these people putting the Ukrainian flags in their profiles, who just last month were like, we gotta fight the fascists, are now like, well, these fascists are... That's crazy.

00:27:32.000 When Nawaz was here, he pointed out that what's happening is people from around the world are going to join Azov to fight, and then they're becoming radicalized and learning how to fight with a terrorist group, and then they're going to go home.

00:27:43.000 radicalized and create their own little pockets of Azov or Nazism or whatever.

00:27:47.000 That's his fear.

00:27:48.000 I guess he's seen it before.

00:27:50.000 I mean, it's not uncommon.

00:27:51.000 It's an interesting thought.

00:27:53.000 Well, we already saw this sort of, you know, this is just another proxy war that we're having with Russia right now in Ukraine.

00:27:57.000 And it actually mimics a lot what we did in, you know, this is the new Afghanistan. 0.98

00:28:03.000 Get out of one war to start another, you know.

00:28:05.000 Just got to replace the Afghanistan war.

00:28:07.000 And this is very similar to what happened in Afghanistan in the 80s.

00:28:10.000 Because what the US government was doing, the Carter administration started and then it continued on with Reagan was, was funding the Mujahideen.

00:28:16.000 Yep.

00:28:17.000 And that they were fighting the Russians because the Russians were with the with the at the time the Afghan government brought in the Russian military to fight.

00:28:26.000 And the Mujahideen was fighting against the Russians.

00:28:28.000 We armed the Mujahideen We trained them.

00:28:31.000 We didn't go in.

00:28:32.000 We didn't fight the Russians specifically.

00:28:34.000 We let them do it, and they were battling their own country.

00:28:36.000 They were trying to get their own country back from the Soviets, right? 0.87

00:28:40.000 Freedom fighters.

00:28:41.000 We boasted that we had given Russia their own Vietnam by entangling them. 0.98

00:28:46.000 Yes, because it was well understood that the Vietnam War was horrible for America, both

00:28:51.000 in terms of foreign policy and domestic policy, right?

00:28:54.000 Because this country started to fall apart and there was a lot of cultural turmoil as

00:28:57.000 a result.

00:28:58.000 And so we said, if we could give one of those to Russia, it would sure help hasten the collapse 0.99

00:29:01.000 of the USSR.

00:29:02.000 Keep in mind when you, when terrorists work for your country, they're called freedom fighters.

00:29:07.000 That's what we hear the words.

00:29:08.000 And we saw what happens to the Mujahideen.

00:29:10.000 Al-Qaeda evolves from them and we go over there and fight them.

00:29:13.000 What are you guys saying that the Azov had been like killing Russians for tens of thousands of Russians over the last five or eight years or something?

00:29:21.000 Like 14,000.

00:29:23.000 Well, 14,000 people have been killed in the civil war between the separatists in the Donbass region and the government.

00:29:30.000 Because, you know, there's an area of Ukraine that has been controlled by the separatists since 2014.

00:29:35.000 And during the civil war conflict, which, you know, we call in the West, we say that they are Russian backed.

00:29:42.000 Freedom, you know, Russian backed separatists, really, they're Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians in a civil war.

00:29:48.000 And there's been 14,000 fatalities there.

00:29:50.000 But a lot of them have been this battalion and these sort of very, you know, not, I mean, really, there's no way to say it other than I mean, these are not like far right.

00:29:59.000 These are actual Nazis. 0.60

00:30:01.000 And they have been doing a lot of that, doing a lot of this battle.

00:30:04.000 But you know, Hillary Clinton even came out like a week and a half ago.

00:30:08.000 I think she was giggling about, well, you saw how it worked out in Afghanistan for the Soviets when, you know, you saw how well that happened because they ultimately had to back out of Yeah, that was in the 80s in the mountains.

00:30:24.000 Now we're talking about flatland in 2020.

00:30:26.000 But it's still a similar thing.

00:30:27.000 We're arming a group, we're giving him a bunch of weapons.

00:30:30.000 This group ideologically is very, you know, it is, they're not aligned with really democratic values,

00:30:38.000 Western values, fundamentally. But we're still saying, oh, but you're our friends now because

00:30:44.000 you're fighting our enemy.

00:30:45.000 And that's exactly what happened in the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

00:30:48.000 And that did not turn out well.

00:30:50.000 Ultimately, we ended up in a war in Afghanistan that we could not win.

00:30:54.000 And we've been in the Middle East this entire time.

00:30:57.000 And so to your point with, we're, you know, then they're recruiting all of these fighters that are coming in from every other European country.

00:31:03.000 And they're very far right radical people that are going to fight alongside these battalions.

00:31:08.000 And yeah, we're arming them, helping them out.

00:31:10.000 And who knows what that will reel into 20 years from now.

00:31:12.000 I mean, how long did it take for the Mujahideen to turn into Al Qaeda?

00:31:17.000 And then you know, all and Taliban? 1.00

00:31:19.000 It could very well happen that Ukraine is split, the East goes to the Russia, the West goes to Azov, and we've got a Nazi country, basically. 0.87

00:31:25.000 That's, I think, exactly what's going to happen.

00:31:27.000 I don't know if it'll go to them specifically.

00:31:30.000 I think the West will go to NATO-EU.

00:31:32.000 Right, but they'll have the battalion in there. 0.98

00:31:35.000 I mean, they'll be part of...

00:31:37.000 Well, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

00:31:38.000 You know, I think when you look at ISIS, it's, I'll just say this, my opinion, the West clearly wanted ISIS to function because it was destabilizing Syria.

00:31:46.000 The U.S.

00:31:47.000 wanted Syria to, they wanted the Assad regime to fall so that the U.S. 0.91

00:31:50.000 could get their pipeline up to displace the Russian gas monopoly.

00:31:53.000 So ISIS is there and it's like, oh no, oh, we can't stop ISIS IGs.

00:31:57.000 And then Trump comes in and he's like, flatten them, wipes ISIS out.

00:32:00.000 That's actually a problem for the West, for, you know, NATO, the U.S.

00:32:04.000 and CIA, because then what's going to cause Syria to fall?

00:32:07.000 Yeah, Azov. 0.72

00:32:08.000 They need another boogeyman.

00:32:09.000 So if the U.S.

00:32:10.000 gets, so right now, the U.S.

00:32:13.000 has Azov.

00:32:15.000 If Russia takes Ukraine, then all of a sudden you might see this rampant, destructive Nazi battalion and the U.S. 0.96

00:32:23.000 will be like, oh, this is so, oh, it's so bad.

00:32:25.000 And somehow they'll end up with U.S.

00:32:27.000 trucks and vehicles and weapons.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:29.000 Oh, what?

00:32:29.000 Oh, we have to fight that rebel group that we funded a while ago?

00:32:32.000 That's so crazy!

00:32:33.000 That's never happened before!

00:32:34.000 We have to fight the Nazis. 0.86

00:32:35.000 You ever see the ISIS, the video of the ISIS guys in the truck and it's got like Jim's plumbing from Detroit, Michigan on the side of it or something? 0.53

00:32:41.000 People are like, how'd that truck get there?

00:32:42.000 There were pictures from Syria that came out that had a kid wearing one of my high school's gym shirts.

00:32:49.000 Because someone had donated their gym shirts and other clothing to some other organization and it ended up in their hands.

00:32:56.000 It was very surreal.

00:32:57.000 Let's talk about where the censorship is going.

00:32:59.000 We got the story on DuckDuckGo.

00:33:00.000 This is Gabriel Weinberg, who is the CEO and founder of DuckDuckGo.

00:33:05.000 He tweeted, like so many others, I am sickened by Russia's invasion, so I've decided to completely and totally destroy my company.

00:33:11.000 No one should ever use it again. 1.00

00:33:13.000 It's a garbage... I'm just kidding. 0.99

00:33:14.000 He didn't say that.

00:33:15.000 Well, he actually might as well have.

00:33:16.000 He kind of did.

00:33:17.000 He said, like so many others, I am sickened by Russia's invasion of Ukraine and that gigantic humanitarian crisis it continues to create.

00:33:24.000 At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates to downrank sites associated with Russian disinformation.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, this all makes sense now.

00:33:31.000 In addition to downranking sites associated with disinformation, we also often place news modules and information box at the top of DuckDuckGo search results.

00:33:39.000 DuckDuckGo's mission is to make simple privacy protection.

00:33:43.000 Yeah, no, that's not your value proposition, dudes.

00:33:46.000 So I have a question for you, Gabriel.

00:33:49.000 Who determines what's Russian disinformation?

00:33:51.000 Who determines what's true?

00:33:53.000 And do you have, like, who at dot-dot-go is the arbiter of truth and morality?

00:34:00.000 So I can better understand what sites you've decided to downrate.

00:34:05.000 DuckDuckGo is completely worthless at this point.

00:34:06.000 I don't see why anybody would use them.

00:34:08.000 And they are because these last, you know, now this is making sense to me because as I've been trying to do some research about the conflict that's going on and trying to get truth because we know it's a big propaganda problem.

00:34:17.000 I've been going from Google to DuckDuckGo and getting the exact same search results and being very frustrated by it because I rely on DuckDuckGo to give me, you know, search results that are different from different sites than the ones that Google just gives me.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, absolutely no.

00:34:32.000 I mean, for a very long time, DuckDuckGo was far superior to Google.

00:34:36.000 When I do work with the Foundation for Economic Education to create these educational cartoons, we'll usually have people at their organization who will do some research for us, if I don't have the time to dive into all of it.

00:34:47.000 And there was a topic that we needed to dive into and I can't remember exactly what it was

00:34:51.000 But the fellow who was doing research kept saying I can't really find anything about this on Google and he'd been

00:34:56.000 searching for hours And I said, oh just try duck duck go and within 15 minutes

00:34:59.000 He had like 10 links with a lot of really great information in them

00:35:03.000 And it's just sad that that resource isn't really reliable one. Take a look at this tweet right here

00:35:07.000 Duck duck go tweeted on April 6 2019 quote when you search you expect unbiased results

00:35:14.000 but that's not what you get on Google.

00:35:17.000 And that is a quote from that same guy, Gabriel Weinberg.

00:35:21.000 What is wrong with this guy?

00:35:22.000 He's now like, privacy is the reason people use DuckDuckGo.

00:35:26.000 No.

00:35:27.000 No, people use DuckDuckGo because they know Google is censoring information.

00:35:30.000 Yeah.

00:35:31.000 Well, there's the Brave search.

00:35:31.000 All right.

00:35:32.000 People are highlighting Brave is available.

00:35:34.000 So everybody switch on over and we'll keep playing this game of cat and mouse.

00:35:38.000 Maybe we should let this guy know that he just killed his business.

00:35:41.000 Tweet at him.

00:35:41.000 I think he's going to figure it out.

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 You know what?

00:35:44.000 I should log in on Twitter so that I could actively do that during the show.

00:35:47.000 Be like, Gabriel, you have... But I did already basically tweet that.

00:35:50.000 I said at DuckDuckGo, I said, DuckDuckGo destroys their only value proposition with a single tweet.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, completely.

00:35:57.000 I'm switching over to the Brave search engine right now.

00:35:59.000 It's in beta.

00:36:00.000 So you have your Brave browser and then you got to go set up the Brave search engine within the browser.

00:36:05.000 They're different.

00:36:06.000 Okay, well that's what I'm gonna have to do now.

00:36:08.000 Yeah, it took me so long to get used to typing DuckDuckGoat instead of Google because it was such a habit for me that I'd formed over many years of exclusively using Google before I knew that they were terrible.

00:36:20.000 And DuckDuckGo is a terrible website name to be correct.

00:36:23.000 Yeah, no, DuckDuckGo is not good branding.

00:36:25.000 We should have, if this CEO wants to come on and defend himself, maybe the CIA gave him a gag order and was like, you're going to be censoring information now and you're not allowed to talk about why.

00:36:34.000 You think he would tell you that?

00:36:35.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 Not on air.

00:36:36.000 He might tell Ian.

00:36:37.000 I mean, he's in Pennsylvania.

00:36:38.000 A lot of people tell me a lot of stuff.

00:36:40.000 So there was this email service.

00:36:43.000 See if you guys can look this up while I'm talking about it, where they got what's called the National Security Letter.

00:36:48.000 They had encrypted email.

00:36:49.000 Was it something forged or something?

00:36:51.000 I can't remember.

00:36:52.000 They said that, I think it was like the NSA contacted them and said, it's a national security letter.

00:36:56.000 You're not allowed to tell anybody about this.

00:36:58.000 Turn over all this information.

00:36:59.000 And he was like, nope.

00:37:01.000 And then they were like, if you don't do this, you're getting in trouble.

00:37:03.000 And then he went public and was like, I got this letter.

00:37:05.000 They're demanding I turn over information on my clients.

00:37:08.000 And then, you know, basically, I think they basically shut down his entire company.

00:37:12.000 So this guy's probably chilling.

00:37:14.000 And he's sitting there thinking, like, we're doing a great job of fighting censorship.

00:37:17.000 And there's a knock on the door.

00:37:18.000 And there's a guy in NSA, you know, badge.

00:37:20.000 And he's like, you are from now on going to be censoring information we don't like.

00:37:23.000 And he goes, You got it, boss.

00:37:25.000 And then he goes to his Twitter account and he's like, we don't like free information.

00:37:28.000 We want censorship.

00:37:28.000 There you go.

00:37:29.000 Problem with centralized power.

00:37:30.000 You do not want, as a tech leader, you do not want centralized control of your organization, man, because you are the target.

00:37:37.000 You've got to decentralize that.

00:37:38.000 No one person should be able to change a search engine like that, in my opinion.

00:37:43.000 It's way too dangerous.

00:37:44.000 People can get co-opted.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, let me see.

00:37:47.000 I think I think I found this story Dude, dude, dude, is this it?

00:37:52.000 2013 story how the government killed a secure email company.

00:37:54.000 Well, I don't know if this is the same company But they say in mid-july Tanya Lakshina, deputy director for Human Rights Watch Moscow office, wrote on her Facebook wall that she had received Yes, it was LavaBit.

00:38:06.000 An email from Edward Snowden at LavaBit It requested that she attend a press conference at Moscow's Sheremetyevo to discuss the NSA leaker situation.

00:38:06.000 There you go.

00:38:19.000 Yesterday, lava bit went dark.

00:38:21.000 In a cryptid statement posted on its website, the service's owners and operator, Ladar Levison, wrote, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

00:38:31.000 Those experiences led him to shut down the service rather than, as he put it, become complicit in crimes against the American people.

00:38:38.000 Good for him.

00:38:38.000 users reacted with consumer vitriol on the company's Facebook page.

00:38:42.000 What about our emails?

00:38:43.000 But the tide quickly turned toward government critique.

00:38:45.000 By the end of the night, a similar service, Silent Circle, also shut down its encrypted

00:38:49.000 email product, calling the LavaBit affair the writing on the wall.

00:38:52.000 So clarification, he refused to give in to the government and shut it down rather than

00:38:58.000 turn over people's information.

00:38:59.000 Good for him.

00:39:00.000 Yeah.

00:39:01.000 That's great.

00:39:02.000 And maybe that's what happened with DuckDuckGo.

00:39:03.000 Maybe they knock on your door one day and they're like, well, we can destroy you and

00:39:07.000 everything you love and own or you can bend the knee and do as you're told.

00:39:10.000 Welcome to the empire.

00:39:12.000 It's been so good to you your whole life.

00:39:13.000 Now bow.

00:39:14.000 Well, then what you wouldn't never, I mean, either way, his business is dead.

00:39:18.000 So you might as well have your dignity.

00:39:19.000 Seriously.

00:39:21.000 Man, I'd love to be the CEO of DuckDuckGo.

00:39:24.000 I'm not saying this actually happened.

00:39:25.000 We don't know for sure.

00:39:26.000 But I tell you this, if I was the CEO of this company, and then I get a knock on the door and they're like, we want you to censor information from Russian sources, I'd be like, no.

00:39:33.000 And they'd be like, you have to.

00:39:34.000 And I'd be like, how about I just shut it down?

00:39:36.000 And then what are they going to do about it?

00:39:38.000 And then I'd go public and be like, hey guys, the government's requesting we censor information, so I'm shutting it down.

00:39:43.000 At least you'd be a hero at that point.

00:39:45.000 That being said, Elon Musk, he publicly stated he will never censor information over Starlink.

00:39:52.000 Except at gunpoint.

00:39:53.000 He said he would at gunpoint.

00:39:55.000 But dude's got, you know, some people say there's a thing called F you money.

00:40:00.000 Elon Musk has something like F everyone money.

00:40:03.000 Did he literally say, I would at gunpoint?

00:40:05.000 Well, he's just inviting gunpoint.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 I'm trying to use this brave search.

00:40:11.000 It's not great yet.

00:40:11.000 It's in beta.

00:40:13.000 That's the downside.

00:40:14.000 Maybe it will be.

00:40:15.000 I'm going to go home, I was said later.

00:40:16.000 I'm going to go home later after the show and get on my computer, my desktop, and I've got DuckDuckGo and Google search.

00:40:23.000 If I really need a good search engine that can crawl the web, I need something that's tried and true.

00:40:28.000 DuckDuckGo is my current default.

00:40:31.000 So now I have to switch it because I'm not going to support this.

00:40:31.000 Me too.

00:40:35.000 Maybe I'll use it when I'm not searching for news, but then go to Brave when I'm searching for data about Russia.

00:40:41.000 I don't know how this show exists.

00:40:44.000 Because you're so charming, dude.

00:40:46.000 And you actually do your research.

00:40:48.000 Yeah, I guess, but like, I don't know, man.

00:40:52.000 The government, the institutions, the establishment, Democrats and neocons are trying so hard to drum up a war between NATO and Russia.

00:41:01.000 We've got 13,000 NATO soldiers in Estonia right now, I think in Estonia, and they're firing Stinger missiles and Kamala Harris is in Poland and she's saying, Putin, don't you dare, we're coming.

00:41:11.000 It's like, that's the opposite of de-escalation.

00:41:14.000 They I've done you and I think the NATO would love to get an excuse to just flatten Russia. 0.69

00:41:21.000 And they're doing everything in their power, it seems.

00:41:23.000 And we're just sitting here all talking like every night being like, that's bad.

00:41:25.000 That's wrong.

00:41:26.000 And they're lying to the American people.

00:41:26.000 You shouldn't do it.

00:41:28.000 I just don't understand why we haven't gotten there.

00:41:29.000 Well, we got swatted six times this year.

00:41:31.000 So maybe that's happening.

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:33.000 I don't think I, for one, we've never tested NATO, right?

00:41:37.000 So it's never really truly been tested.

00:41:39.000 So Article 5 has been called on one time after 9-11, right?

00:41:44.000 And the NATO forces, what did they do after 9-11?

00:41:46.000 They said, okay, yeah, I guess this qualifies.

00:41:48.000 And they sent some jets over to patrol the US skies, because that's the only job is they have to defend you on your soil.

00:41:56.000 They don't have to go to enemy soil.

00:41:57.000 That's why they didn't go into Afghanistan or Iraq.

00:41:59.000 They did have some, you know, some countries were able to opt in.

00:42:02.000 But there wasn't an Article 5, you know, actually invoked in order to force troops to go in anywhere.

00:42:08.000 So it's never really been tested.

00:42:10.000 We don't actually know.

00:42:11.000 I mean, we sit here and we posture and we act like, Oh, yeah, we would totally flatten Russia. 0.95

00:42:14.000 But we don't actually know how we would do head to head against Russia.

00:42:19.000 And we also don't know who would join in with Russia.

00:42:21.000 And Russia, their military is I think their capabilities around like, what, 50-60% of NATO.

00:42:27.000 We don't know that!

00:42:28.000 Right, right.

00:42:29.000 But I will say this.

00:42:30.000 Russia's military is unified under one command structure.

00:42:32.000 NATO is a bunch of different countries, different languages, different cultures.

00:42:36.000 That could be a huge issue.

00:42:37.000 But NATO's really only the United States, France, the UK, and Turkey.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Everybody else is just what gives us some bodies.

00:42:44.000 The bodies of people that maybe are not well trained, right?

00:42:48.000 So you have to have Those four countries getting together and the French are always lately they've been pretty hesitant to get involved at all.

00:42:56.000 They've got their own problems.

00:42:58.000 So they especially don't like to go with us to the Middle East and Turkey.

00:43:01.000 Same thing.

00:43:01.000 Turkey feels a little bit hesitant about that.

00:43:03.000 So and Turkey.

00:43:05.000 does is not really embraced very well. You know, look, look at how Ukraine is being embraced and

00:43:11.000 putting in applications to be joining the EU and they get the backing of some EU members.

00:43:15.000 And Turkey's been applying year after year after year, let us into the EU and they get snubbed.

00:43:20.000 So Turkey is one foot out the door, right? 0.94

00:43:23.000 I just for Russia and Turkey, not to be like lockstep.

00:43:27.000 I can't imagine that Black Sea.

00:43:29.000 You can't get through Constantinople, Constantinople.

00:43:32.000 You can't get through Istanbul without without Turkey. 1.00

00:43:34.000 Well, I think that's why Turkey knows that they've been embraced by NATO was just just to get just to sort of Take some power away from Russia, hopefully. 0.63

00:43:44.000 But Turkey's not 100% there with us.

00:43:46.000 I mean, they really are straddling the line between the two.

00:43:49.000 And I think that at any minute, Turkey could actually say, you know what, we just want to forget this whole NATO thing.

00:43:54.000 We're not really involved in it.

00:43:55.000 Historically, I mean, people switch sides in the middle of conflict.

00:43:58.000 It's not out of the ballpark.

00:43:59.000 Just because someone on paper says they're your ally doesn't mean that like when realism hits the fan, people do what they need to do to survive.

00:44:07.000 Right.

00:44:07.000 That's why NATO hasn't really truly been tested and I think they're afraid to actually do it because I don't think they know what Turkey will actually do.

00:44:14.000 If they'll really truly send bodies in to go and confront Russians, and to potentially, you know, to allow thousands of your own to die for what? 0.83

00:44:24.000 So...

00:44:26.000 We never tested it.

00:44:28.000 And he shall appear.

00:44:29.000 What?

00:44:29.000 Oh my goodness.

00:44:30.000 You jinxed it.

00:44:31.000 It looks like our chat shut down. Oh what I noticed cuz you know we have the live chat going and I can see everything

00:44:37.000 I got a little jinxed it and Normally, it's just flying like crazy just chats are coming

00:44:42.000 in like crazy And so I noticed it stopped moving and I was like, what's

00:44:45.000 this? Yeah Yeah, there's no chat. So I'm like, maybe the browser

00:44:49.000 screwed up. So I tried resetting the chat didn't work. I pulled up my phone and went in there. There's no chat. I

00:44:55.000 just posted the message smash the like button and I don't see it even on my own phone on the same account. So could

00:45:02.000 be.

00:45:02.000 Oh, there we go. Oh, yeah.

00:45:03.000 It's back.

00:45:04.000 Oh, as soon as you mentioned it.

00:45:05.000 That's what I noticed.

00:45:06.000 As I was building mines over the decade, I noticed almost all the time when people think that you're doing something

00:45:12.000 insidious, technically, it's usually like a glitch.

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:16.000 No, dude.

00:45:17.000 No way.

00:45:18.000 From my perspective as an admin, it is a glitch.

00:45:20.000 Usually it's a glitch.

00:45:22.000 Now it's exploding.

00:45:23.000 They're like, he's onto us!

00:45:25.000 Some admins are like, people are saying chat was dead, it's back, it's broken, it's back, what happened?

00:45:29.000 It could be a glitch.

00:45:29.000 You know the other night my internet went down and other people were like, my internet went down too, like two nights ago.

00:45:33.000 Did you guys have internet?

00:45:34.000 Yeah, many such cases.

00:45:35.000 Was there all sorts of tech outages a couple nights ago?

00:45:37.000 Is this like a global attack?

00:45:39.000 Probably.

00:45:40.000 I wouldn't have been surprised.

00:45:42.000 I'll tell you this man.

00:45:46.000 I think we're already in World War III.

00:45:49.000 The problem is people don't like that phrase because it invokes imagery of bombings and blitzkriegs and all that stuff.

00:45:55.000 But people need to understand that NATO is absolutely supplying weapons and personnel to the Ukrainians for a war, a ground war with Russia.

00:46:02.000 China has already threatened the U.S. 0.96

00:46:03.000 that if we take any economic sanctions or actions against them, they'll retaliate against us.

00:46:09.000 So already China has announced that they're going to be supporting Russia with the sanctions with union pay.

00:46:14.000 The U.S.

00:46:15.000 is already I'll put it this way.

00:46:17.000 What is war?

00:46:18.000 Can you define war for me, like, legitimately, like, off the top of your head, Kim?

00:46:23.000 Two countries battling.

00:46:25.000 Maybe that, you know, because I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

00:46:27.000 Or many countries battling.

00:46:28.000 How would you define it, right?

00:46:30.000 We typically, there's hot war, there's cold war, there's economic warfare.

00:46:33.000 And you can battle many ways.

00:46:35.000 You don't have to battle with guns.

00:46:36.000 You could battle with, like, it could be cyber war or, you know, any kind of really economic warfare.

00:46:43.000 We've seen cyber attacks across the board.

00:46:45.000 We've seen weird outages happening.

00:46:47.000 We've seen industrial plants exploding and things like that.

00:46:50.000 And if we're in an information warfare or an info war, some Texas- Now you're really looking for your chat to get shut down.

00:46:59.000 There you go.

00:47:02.000 I think it's fair to say, you know, we see all these stories where it's like, Anonymous takes down Russian infrastructure, and I'm like, dude, it's probably the U.S.

00:47:08.000 government or its contractors.

00:47:10.000 It is Western interests going after Russia. 0.57

00:47:13.000 Here's what blows my mind.

00:47:15.000 is like, we want to give weapons to the Ukrainians, right? 0.96

00:47:15.000 The U.S. 0.96

00:47:18.000 Planes or whatever.

00:47:19.000 Poland says we want to give these planes.

00:47:21.000 If we're providing weaponry to Ukrainians, then Latvia says, we vote to allow our citizens to go to Ukraine and fight for the Ukrainians. 0.82

00:47:29.000 I'm like, How is this not a declaration of war?

00:47:33.000 Providing resources to one country who's fighting another?

00:47:36.000 Oh yeah, and like, Visa, MasterCard, and American Express shut down access in Russia, but it wasn't the American government that did it, so we're off the hook.

00:47:46.000 But it's like, oh, how much power do these corporations have?

00:47:48.000 So think about what is the purpose of war, because I agree with you, Tim. 1.00

00:47:52.000 I actually think we're in World War III, but I think we've been, and I actually, I don't remember which show I actually said that exact thing on recently, but I think it's not because of the weapons that we're giving and there's battles going on in Ukraine.

00:48:06.000 What is the purpose of war?

00:48:08.000 So when you're going to war with another country, why are you doing it? 0.52

00:48:10.000 You're doing it because you're trying to, you don't want them to, so we've always, we try to go to war with the Soviets to stop the spread of the Soviet Union, right? 0.95

00:48:20.000 So we don't want them to have dominance or power in certain parts of the world.

00:48:26.000 We want influence over different regions and people to our own benefit.

00:48:31.000 Right.

00:48:32.000 So did you know, February 4th, did you hear about this document that Russia and China put out together, a statement?

00:48:37.000 So they issued a statement February 4th together that is a couple of pages long.

00:48:43.000 And if you read that statement that happened before Russia even invaded Ukraine, they pretty much declared, I mean, it's the most ominous statement because they essentially come out declaring, we're no longer going to have a unipolar world.

00:48:56.000 It is now multipolar.

00:48:57.000 I remember that, yeah.

00:49:01.000 Basically pointing the finger at the West almost blatantly that they don't I don't know if they actually named the United States in the document, but they essentially they strongly allude saying we're the reason why there isn't world peace that it's our fault and that the time the things have changed.

00:49:19.000 This is the document.

00:49:19.000 This is it.

00:49:21.000 The China Aerospace Studies Institute, in their own words, joint statement of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China on the international relations entering a new era of the global sustainable development.

00:49:31.000 Well, there you go.

00:49:33.000 It's decently long.

00:49:33.000 I'm not gonna read the whole thing.

00:49:34.000 No, but there's parts of it that really, they really call out the American hegemony.

00:49:42.000 And when you look at this, and you think, okay, the purpose of war is to stop the influence or to weaken your enemy to some degree.

00:49:51.000 So war doesn't have to be with guns.

00:49:54.000 And I think there's been a concerted effort when you look at this, and then you look at the steps that Russia has taken, and then you see the steps that China has taken in response to it.

00:50:02.000 And you realize that we might have been at war, China might have been at war with us, China and Russia, for a long time.

00:50:08.000 Right, because really it's just about you have an enemy, you don't like the enemy, you want to harm the enemy in some way.

00:50:12.000 And they know they couldn't beat us militarily, nor did they even want to.

00:50:17.000 So they, I think, went after us economically, potentially.

00:50:20.000 Yeah, you want conquest or genocide, I think, are the two main goals of war.

00:50:25.000 And it's usually to empower yourself through the destruction of the other.

00:50:29.000 And that doesn't have to be done with guns.

00:50:31.000 That can be done psychologically, like you see children questioning their gender.

00:50:35.000 That's basically It's not genocide, but if people stop having babies, that's the end of the human race. 0.94

00:50:41.000 It's control of a population.

00:50:43.000 So if you could take over a country without firing a shot, would you do it?

00:50:47.000 Of course.

00:50:48.000 Nobody wants to waste resources.

00:50:50.000 So if you've got a country that's got a bunch of nuclear reactors, do you want to blow them up or do you want to use them?

00:50:54.000 You want to use them.

00:50:55.000 Anybody who's played the game Civilization knows this.

00:50:57.000 If you can take over a city with minimal bombings, you get more from that city.

00:51:03.000 You blow them up, the population shrinks, and you get a crappier city.

00:51:06.000 Just basic math.

00:51:08.000 So they've been planning this for a long time because they were trading in dollars in 2014.

00:51:12.000 I think the percentage of dollars being traded between China and Russia was like 97 percent.

00:51:18.000 And now it's down to 30 something percent that they use.

00:51:21.000 So they've been doing that.

00:51:22.000 They've been making these moves for a long time.

00:51:25.000 They have been building up their own economies strengthening their own ties with one another.

00:51:29.000 They used to be enemies.

00:51:30.000 Now they're like best buddies.

00:51:33.000 And they've been making all of these really really strategic moves making friends around the world rather than enemies.

00:51:38.000 And now suddenly, it's just really strange to me that Russia decides to invade Ukraine.

00:51:45.000 When was it?

00:51:46.000 The 21st of February.

00:51:47.000 So they issued this statement on the 4th.

00:51:49.000 Russia does a giant deal for a natural gas pipeline from Ukraine to, I mean, from Russia to China, giant pipeline.

00:51:58.000 And then suddenly he goes in and invades Ukraine like as, you know, and I know a lot of it, of course, they've been saying it's about NATO expansion, but why now? 0.71

00:52:07.000 Gonna do a vote next week to put Ukraine into NATO?

00:52:10.000 Like, what's so different this week from last week?

00:52:13.000 You see the video of the Russian politician in December saying, February 22nd, 2022, I wish this year would have been peaceful, but it's not gonna be.

00:52:21.000 Mark my words.

00:52:22.000 In December, he said that.

00:52:24.000 And that video's not getting a lot of play, but a lot of, like, so a Ukrainian friend said that to me.

00:52:29.000 They were like, watch this video.

00:52:30.000 And then I was just like, whoa.

00:52:32.000 So they knew.

00:52:34.000 And truth be told, I didn't believe the U.S.

00:52:34.000 They knew.

00:52:36.000 when they were putting out these statements.

00:52:37.000 They were like, Russia's gonna do it. 0.80

00:52:38.000 And I was like, no, they're not.

00:52:39.000 Well, look, it's the Democrat who cried Russia. 0.71

00:52:42.000 Joe Biden or Jen Psaki or these Democrats are like, you know, Nancy Pelosi comes out and she's like, the Russians are going to invade. 1.00

00:52:48.000 And I'm like, shut your mouth, you liar. 1.00

00:52:51.000 I will not believe a word that comes out of these people's mouths. 1.00

00:52:53.000 And to our own detriment.

00:52:55.000 What do you do?

00:52:56.000 Well, they were right this one time. 0.99

00:52:59.000 I mean, it's like I said on yesterday's show, the moral of the story in The Boy Who Cried Wolf was not, oh, those shameful, stupid villagers for not believing the one time he turned out to be right. 0.99

00:53:07.000 The moral of the story is it's his fault because he lied consistently and lost all credibility. 0.99

00:53:11.000 We should make that kid's book, The Democrat Who Cried Russian, but the moral of the story is you should always believe the Democrats no matter what. 0.50

00:53:21.000 So it's the basic story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, and in the end it's just like, if only they had just continued to believe the little boy who lied all the time, they would have been better off.

00:53:28.000 Shows you to always obey the authority.

00:53:31.000 The authority is never wrong.

00:53:34.000 Yeah, so what else is going on though?

00:53:35.000 I mean, we've been seeing China and Russia dumping U.S.

00:53:37.000 dollars for a long time now, and I remember conversations back in like the late 2000s where they were like, China and Russia are getting prepared for a non-petro-dollar, non-U.S.

00:53:45.000 reserve currency world.

00:53:46.000 Yeah, it's going to like the, how do you say it, the yuan?

00:53:50.000 So the petro-yuan is what they're moving towards, it sounds like.

00:53:53.000 Is that what I should be buying right now?

00:53:55.000 Maybe.

00:53:56.000 And isn't it so sad that the elites in our country are so unbelievably irresponsible and corrupt that we don't even want to hold on to our own currency because we all basically believe it's going to collapse and we're actively watching it lose a large portion of its value.

00:54:12.000 Only 8%.

00:54:13.000 That's what we're being told.

00:54:14.000 I think it was March 2020 when they first did that print.

00:54:17.000 It was a $1.2 trillion.

00:54:18.000 Maybe it was April 2020.

00:54:19.000 That was when I gave up on the US dollar.

00:54:21.000 I was like, wow.

00:54:22.000 Okay, I've known the Federal Reserve's busted the economy and the fiat's nuts and that the American military-industrial complex is overreach, but it never really struck me until March 2020 like, wow, they're just going to keep printing money.

00:54:34.000 From what I understand, it was they were giving $450 billion to the Federal Reserve to leverage out in $4.5 trillion in loans, just completely flooding the market.

00:54:46.000 The Zuby tweeted this, that the money supply was $4 trillion in early 2020, and now it's $20 trillion or something like that, or $23 trillion.

00:54:54.000 A lot of it's because the savings accounts got added to the money supply.

00:54:58.000 Absolutely.

00:54:58.000 So that's at least half, I would think, of that number.

00:55:02.000 No, it's more than half that number.

00:55:04.000 Wow.

00:55:04.000 OK, OK.

00:55:05.000 But they did it to mask the amount of printing, because if you look at the number, the money supply is going along, and all of a sudden they add the savings in, and then the money supply is increasing at a new rate.

00:55:16.000 It's like right when they added the supply, you see it.

00:55:18.000 China and Russia saw what happened in 2008, and they were like, you better start preparing because this is the end.

00:55:23.000 When you look at the money supply, the real surge in money printing happened right after 2008, after the market crashed.

00:55:30.000 And then, with the pandemic, it skyrockets.

00:55:32.000 So I think Russia and China, India, Brazil, probably a bunch of countries, and I'm sure the U.S.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, they all do.

00:55:37.000 Even the United States.

00:55:38.000 Well, I mean, what happens is they argue that we have to use quantitative easing in order to stimulate the economy, but then we get completely addicted because as soon as you try quantitative tightening, the stock market goes crazy and we can't have that happen.

00:55:51.000 So they just have to continually inflate the currency to prevent a crash.

00:55:55.000 Posobiec is a brilliant man, Jack Posobiec, and he constantly is like, you do not want the U.S.

00:55:59.000 dollar to not be the world reserve currency.

00:56:01.000 I'm like, I know I don't, but I also don't want to be living off fiat for my grandchildren to suffer under the slave boot of authoritarian autocracy, you know, and have their lives valued by some corporate credit.

00:56:14.000 I don't know what to do.

00:56:15.000 I don't want to destroy the system, but the system is an aberration and needs to be rectified.

00:56:20.000 I think the best we can hope for is the multipolar world where it's more of a East-West.

00:56:24.000 And so we're not dominating the world with one currency, but instead there's one currency that's often traded in parts of the world and another that is traded in the other part of the world.

00:56:35.000 And, you know, as the world's population has increased, that's fine.

00:56:37.000 I mean, when you look at the population 70 years ago compared to today, I think it's doubled on the globe.

00:56:43.000 So even if the dollar is only dominant with half the world, it's still the same number of people as it was 70 years ago. 0.93

00:56:50.000 But have you considered that the average person, I should say all people actually, are stupid and that we should control them with a small council of elites who have inherited their power and then reset the whole system and then take everything these people own away from them and then once we do, they'll be happy? 0.86

00:57:09.000 Klaus Schwab, is that you? 0.98

00:57:12.000 Klaus, hi.

00:57:13.000 Like some kind of economic forum for the world.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, like a world economic forum of some sort.

00:57:20.000 Of some kind.

00:57:21.000 Well, when we were hanging out with Ryan and Danny the other day, we played that video of the guy filling up the back of his pickup truck with gas.

00:57:28.000 And I'm like, now you understand Bill Gates, but Klaus Schwab's probably better.

00:57:32.000 Klaus is like sitting there and like he's sitting in his lounge chair with his belly hanging out and he's like clicking YouTube videos and then he watches a guy pouring gas in the back of a pickup truck and he's like, I must do something about this!

00:57:41.000 That's what I'm wondering. 0.99

00:57:42.000 Kim, when you think about like just the sheer stupidity of some humans to destroy themselves and everyone around them, like... 1.00

00:57:48.000 What do you, like the plebeians in the Roman times, they were like, there's the elite central few that run society and everyone else is a plebeian because they're too stupid to understand at which end of the fork to hold. 0.99

00:57:58.000 Like, how do you, do you see, do you think that that's real? 0.99

00:58:01.000 That there's like a small group of really hyper-intelligent humans and everyone else is like a dumb, like a follower? 0.98

00:58:06.000 And that we need to live like that? 0.98

00:58:07.000 We need to structure society around that?

00:58:10.000 Obviously, yes.

00:58:12.000 How do you see it?

00:58:14.000 Because I'm having a hard time not seeing it like that.

00:58:17.000 I think Ian makes a good point, because I'm sure many in the audience think that about you.

00:58:22.000 No, but I'm not saying it to be funny.

00:58:24.000 In this situation, you're the leader, I'm the follower.

00:58:26.000 It's very specific.

00:58:27.000 What I mean is, there are a lot of people who are like, I think Ian has bad ideas.

00:58:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:32.000 And so therefore we need to control you.

00:58:34.000 Right.

00:58:34.000 Yeah.

00:58:35.000 Like there are people there.

00:58:36.000 The idea that there are people you cannot let run society because they'll fill the back of their truck up with gasoline.

00:58:41.000 I will say this.

00:58:43.000 There is a brilliant Fulton Sheen quote.

00:58:46.000 We cannot allow society to be led by people who never learned to obey it.

00:58:51.000 In other words, we are run by people who never learned to follow the rules and always saw themselves as above the law.

00:58:57.000 And so what happens when they take control?

00:58:59.000 They're completely lawless and that's tyranny.

00:59:01.000 But everybody feels that way about everybody.

00:59:03.000 So that's the problem.

00:59:04.000 Then who do you decide?

00:59:06.000 You know, when you look at it, just even in our government now, you've got Democrats thinking that and then you have Republicans thinking that.

00:59:11.000 So which one are you going to choose?

00:59:13.000 Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think I do decide at this point.

00:59:16.000 I've become a jaded cynic.

00:59:17.000 I'm just all about, I'm going to go live in the woods.

00:59:19.000 I'm going to get a bunch of chickens. 1.00

00:59:21.000 You already did that.

00:59:22.000 I hear what you're saying.

00:59:24.000 I live by my, you know, my word.

00:59:26.000 Your code.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, my code.

00:59:28.000 I hear what you're saying about the fact that there are a lot of different perspectives on this, but we also have to be very careful not to fall into the trap of relativism and still be willing to acknowledge that there is truthhood and falsehood, and the best we can do is try to pursue that which is good and noble and pure and true as best as we possibly can.

00:59:43.000 Even if there's some potential for us to get it wrong, at least we will have tried.

00:59:47.000 I really don't like that wealth goes from parent to kid on death.

00:59:52.000 That makes me so... Who should it go to instead?

00:59:54.000 Just disperse into nothingness or something.

00:59:56.000 I don't know.

00:59:57.000 Then why would people want to earn wealth for their children?

00:59:59.000 Well, you earn it for yourself and then your children earn it for themselves.

01:00:02.000 What show am I on right now?

01:00:03.000 Here I am.

01:00:03.000 I'm listening to a commie and somebody here is like pushing for vaccine mandates.

01:00:08.000 What?

01:00:08.000 I'm pushing for vaccine mandates?

01:00:11.000 It's the exact opposite.

01:00:13.000 Because when you say my morality is for the good of the greater good.

01:00:17.000 Yes.

01:00:17.000 Then that is basically what people that push for vaccine mandates say.

01:00:20.000 They say, well, my morality is for the greater good.

01:00:23.000 But do you believe that some moral claims can be true and others can be false?

01:00:26.000 The problem is not saying that there is good and truth in the world and that we should try to promote what is true.

01:00:30.000 The issue is people trying to promote falsehood as if it's true.

01:00:35.000 I want to go deep on this.

01:00:36.000 Well, I want to ask you a question because everybody's posting ones in chat right now after what he said.

01:00:40.000 Oh, but I have a question for you.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, you said. So Ian said he doesn't like that money goes from parent to child.

01:00:46.000 Is that. And the reason I say that is because I see a lot of incapable kids earn a lot of money and have a lot of

01:00:52.000 power.

01:00:52.000 So I. But but but just just I want to make sure I get your point.

01:00:55.000 OK. So imagine the scenario.

01:00:58.000 You have a 40-year-old man.

01:01:00.000 He's got three kids, and they're middle teenagers, and he's a billionaire, and they have a big house.

01:01:08.000 They have a very, very large house, and they all live in it.

01:01:11.000 And then, one day, the guy is walking downstairs, and he sees his kids making breakfast, and he goes, Hello there!

01:01:17.000 So, whoa!

01:01:18.000 And slips, and then falls on his neck, and snap!

01:01:20.000 His neck cracks. 0.99

01:01:22.000 Should the government come and burn the house down and kick the kids out? 0.98

01:01:24.000 No. 0.60

01:01:25.000 Put them in an orphanage?

01:01:26.000 No.

01:01:27.000 So how do you, what do those kids do, right?

01:01:30.000 Maybe there's like a percentage.

01:01:31.000 Do the kids get to keep the house?

01:01:32.000 An amount.

01:01:33.000 Okay, so the government comes in, takes the house, kicks the kids out, and gives them each a hundred grand?

01:01:37.000 So like a giant tax.

01:01:38.000 I don't know.

01:01:39.000 90% tax.

01:01:39.000 Why do those kids have a hundred grand to begin with?

01:01:43.000 So this is the issue.

01:01:45.000 If somebody is working because they want to provide for their kids, The problem is, wealth doesn't mean rich.

01:01:51.000 Wealth is just the money and resources you have.

01:01:55.000 So there could be a guy who's worth $100,000.

01:01:56.000 His total net worth.

01:01:59.000 This means he's got $12,000 in savings, he's got a mortgage on his house, and, you know, liabilities plus assets equals about $100,000, and he lives in the suburbs and his kids go to school.

01:02:10.000 His kid's 16, 17 years old, and then he dies, and the mom dies, or whatever, they both had a car accident.

01:02:16.000 You gotta transfer what the parents had to the kids, otherwise the kids are just homeless.

01:02:19.000 So that's the way it works.

01:02:20.000 So it's also interesting, because Ian, there have been some analyses which have suggested that inheritance taxes make income inequality worse.

01:02:27.000 Because when you look at middle class people, generally their best way of generating intergenerational wealth is through home ownership, property ownership.

01:02:34.000 It's basically what they can pass on to their children.

01:02:37.000 And so, we've also seen it disproportionately harming farmers, because their wealth is stored up in their land and the crops that they grow.

01:02:44.000 And I just find it interesting how these left-wing economic policies almost always end up going after the people who make our food.

01:02:50.000 It's not necessarily intentional, but it almost always ends up resulting in food becoming more difficult to produce or more expensive.

01:02:57.000 The owners of BlackRock, when they die, BlackRock goes to their kids.

01:03:01.000 Like, why?

01:03:02.000 Well, their shares.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, that's publicly traded.

01:03:04.000 It's different.

01:03:05.000 It could be that I'm just talking about something that's way too ahead of its time because we're on the money system.

01:03:09.000 As long as we're using money as our currency, there's going to be this problem.

01:03:13.000 As long as we're using currency, you mean?

01:03:14.000 No.

01:03:15.000 Currency has evolved over time.

01:03:17.000 It used to be shells.

01:03:18.000 We would trade little gems and shells.

01:03:20.000 Then we created money as a currency type.

01:03:23.000 Now we have electricity as a currency type.

01:03:27.000 The idea that money is the final form of currency got us into this position in the first place.

01:03:31.000 We've got to stop you there because you're just very wrong.

01:03:32.000 Money is a form of currency, man.

01:03:33.000 They're not the same thing.

01:03:37.000 Okay.

01:03:38.000 I think the more equitable form of currency, like electricity, would make a lot more sense.

01:03:41.000 Do you know what currency is?

01:03:43.000 Can you define it?

01:03:44.000 The definition, I can look it up really quick.

01:03:46.000 Right, a trade medium.

01:03:47.000 So that somebody who makes bread can trade something that holds value as an intermediary.

01:03:52.000 Shells are money.

01:03:53.000 Gems are money.

01:03:54.000 No, no, they're currency.

01:03:55.000 Money is a type of currency.

01:03:57.000 It's a trade medium.

01:03:58.000 It's like lightweight, cash.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, well, whether you do it in a dollar bill or you do it in a seashell, it's the same thing.

01:04:04.000 Or electricity, if I power your house.

01:04:05.000 But we don't trade electricity.

01:04:07.000 No, electricity's different.

01:04:08.000 That would be like I trade you bread for the electricity.

01:04:11.000 So that's the trading of goods.

01:04:12.000 And what currency does is it allows for me to trade... I don't want your electricity.

01:04:18.000 I don't think electricity is a good... I think it's cut to the point where if we don't have it, we're screwed.

01:04:22.000 Well, Ian, can I ask you, how would you correct for the double coincidence of wants that she was just explaining?

01:04:27.000 The problem of sometimes one person who's generating wealth doesn't necessarily have something that they can trade directly with the other person who has something that they want.

01:04:36.000 Let me tell you guys a story.

01:04:38.000 Like let's say Tim's got a bunch of bananas.

01:04:40.000 Do you think that's a good system or are you just sort of saying that descriptively?

01:04:42.000 I don't think that just because you have a lot of money means that you're the guy that gets to pick who gets to

01:04:46.000 trade what.

01:04:47.000 Let me tell you guys a story.

01:04:48.000 I don't think that's what currency does.

01:04:51.000 Let me tell you guys a story.

01:04:52.000 This is a story about Occupy Wall Street.

01:04:54.000 One day I was at Occupy Wall Street and I saw a woman who had a table.

01:04:58.000 And on that table, she had a whole bunch of socialism books.

01:05:01.000 And I heard her talking to somebody about how money is the root of all of our problems and we need to get rid of money.

01:05:06.000 And I was like, I'm with it.

01:05:08.000 I'm like, all right, cool.

01:05:09.000 I hear you.

01:05:10.000 I hear you.

01:05:10.000 I'm, you know, I'm confused, right?

01:05:12.000 So I asked her, I was like, so you don't think we should have money?

01:05:15.000 And she goes, no, we shouldn't.

01:05:17.000 People should get access to equal goods.

01:05:19.000 And I said, okay, here, I have a problem.

01:05:21.000 So here at Occupy Wall Street, I go out on these marches and I livestream them.

01:05:25.000 That's a real value to the people who are protesting because then people can hear and see and share, right?

01:05:30.000 It's like, right, yes, of course.

01:05:31.000 And I was like, okay, should I get something in exchange for doing something of value for the community?

01:05:35.000 He said, well, absolutely.

01:05:37.000 And I said, right.

01:05:39.000 When I leave to go when people to follow these marches and film them, When I, by the time I come back, all of the food has been

01:05:46.000 given away. Because the people who aren't working walk up, get the food for nothing, and then by the

01:05:52.000 time I'm back from doing work, there's no food left. And she said, well then maybe we hold

01:05:57.000 some of the food for you, you know? And I said, okay. I like the idea. How do we track who, you

01:06:03.000 know, I'm asking her in all sincerity, I'm like, how do we track, you know, do we have like a list

01:06:08.000 of people?

01:06:08.000 It's like, we have to have this food for these people.

01:06:11.000 Would it get complicated?

01:06:12.000 And she goes, well, maybe they issue like vouchers.

01:06:14.000 They'll give you like a piece of paper that represents the work you did or something.

01:06:18.000 And I went, like money?

01:06:19.000 That's hilarious.

01:06:21.000 And she's like, no, no, no, not like money. 1.00

01:06:23.000 And I'm like, but if I had a voucher that just said it was worth some kind of trade meet, like it was worth the work I did, I could trade that with someone else and they could turn it in for the food.

01:06:32.000 It's called script.

01:06:33.000 Corporations used to do that. 0.73

01:06:34.000 Well, that's a type of money.

01:06:35.000 It's a type of currency called script.

01:06:37.000 And they would corporations would give out script to their workers.

01:06:39.000 And you can only use it at the company stores.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, but if I don't want to buy from that company store, right, that's the problem.

01:06:45.000 And that's why we have currency, we have money that we can use as an as you know, so that I could if I don't want Tim's bananas, but but he wants what I've got bread and You've got gems to sell me to make jewelry or something.

01:06:59.000 You know, I don't want all these things, and so we trade in money in order to get those things.

01:07:03.000 Well, the downside is the rich guy can get a big loan and have all this funny money that he can buy all this stuff because he had access to the dollars, to the money.

01:07:12.000 But it's like, what's the value of money, really?

01:07:15.000 Even the Galactic Federation uses credits.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, but I don't think they really would at that point.

01:07:20.000 If they're materializing matter, they wouldn't need that stuff.

01:07:22.000 You gotta watch Star Trek, man, because you know what you're talking about.

01:07:25.000 Platinum?

01:07:26.000 I mean, bro, he doesn't even know what he's talking about.

01:07:27.000 Do you even watch Star Trek?

01:07:28.000 Bro, do you even space journey?

01:07:30.000 Are we going to have a conversation on economics if you're not familiar with Gene Roddenberry's work?

01:07:35.000 I'm down to table this talk.

01:07:38.000 I actually I actually pulled up a few of the key differences between money and currency.

01:07:43.000 I was like, this is a great question.

01:07:45.000 So money can be stored.

01:07:46.000 Sorry.

01:07:47.000 Money can be a store of value and is intangible in nature.

01:07:50.000 Currency cannot be a store of value, although it is always tangible in nature.

01:07:53.000 So tangibility.

01:07:54.000 Money refers to actual value of goods or services that's traded for.

01:07:57.000 Currency is just a medium that we keep in our pockets to increase our purchasing power and to make day to day payments in our lives.

01:08:03.000 That sounds like BS because that makes no sense.

01:08:06.000 I don't see how that makes sense.

01:08:07.000 I don't understand what money is.

01:08:08.000 There's cash, then there's digital dots, ones and zeros in a bank ledger somewhere.

01:08:14.000 Those are different.

01:08:15.000 Okay, so maybe that's what they're saying.

01:08:17.000 So money is what you have in your bank account.

01:08:19.000 Right.

01:08:19.000 Currency is what I have in my wallet.

01:08:21.000 Right.

01:08:22.000 Because they're also saying that money has intrinsic value, which you could easily argue that Fed money does not have.

01:08:30.000 Right.

01:08:31.000 So that makes sense, actually, because all the money that it was printed wasn't really printed by the Fed.

01:08:36.000 They just put it into their ledger.

01:08:38.000 Right.

01:08:38.000 But they're just adding money.

01:08:40.000 They're not adding currency into the market.

01:08:42.000 Oh, there's there.

01:08:43.000 I don't believe there will ever be a circumstance in which we will not have money.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, I don't.

01:08:48.000 No, we have to have money.

01:08:50.000 I don't think that there's any way, like you said, because if you are going out and videoing something, how can somebody trade that with you?

01:08:57.000 First, we have the laws of thermodynamics, right?

01:09:01.000 So even when they're conceptualizing a show like Star Trek The Next Generation, there's really interesting contradictions in the show where, in some instances, they're like, we don't use money anymore because we have replicators, but they have riverfront property or bayfront property in San Francisco.

01:09:17.000 Like, how do you distribute wealth or allocate resources?

01:09:23.000 So, I don't know how that would make sense.

01:09:25.000 Living in a Star Trek-style future with no money, but someone gets to live on the bay?

01:09:28.000 No, there's value there.

01:09:30.000 And people will strive and say, how do I do something to earn more?

01:09:34.000 Is it appointed to you?

01:09:35.000 Well, communists have tried arguing Star Trek is communist.

01:09:38.000 And they explain, this is one of the reasons why.

01:09:40.000 The problem is, in the actual show, They couldn't overcome logical fallacies or logical plot conundrums without explaining the use of money.

01:09:48.000 Why would there be a need for exploration if you could replicate everything?

01:09:51.000 Ah, the replicators can't make certain complex substances, so you have to go and find them and get them.

01:09:55.000 Otherwise, it would be a show about a bunch of gods flying around doing whatever they wanted.

01:10:00.000 There'd be no constraints.

01:10:01.000 So, within the laws of physics, When we try conceptualizing a science fiction show, we're like, there has to be money.

01:10:08.000 Otherwise they're just teleporting gods who can do whatever they want because they're constrained by nothing.

01:10:12.000 Well, yeah.

01:10:13.000 And also, even if it were the case that we ended up in some kind of post-scarcity landscape, the reality is it's really an incoherent idea because your time will always be scarce.

01:10:26.000 There's always going to be an opportunity cost to everything you do.

01:10:29.000 Post-scarcity isn't even, like I said, it's not a coherent concept in this world.

01:10:33.000 I believe your time is your most valuable resource, way more than any amount of money you could be given on birth.

01:10:39.000 So what you do with your life is the value.

01:10:42.000 And also, what am I going to get for what I give?

01:10:45.000 Maybe that's an archaic concept.

01:10:47.000 Why do people feel like they need something in return if they have enough?

01:10:52.000 Survival.

01:10:53.000 If you have enough to survive and to thrive, then why must we profit?

01:10:58.000 If you have enough to sustain and your children have enough to sustain, then why do you need to rip people off?

01:11:02.000 Or why do you need to get things for the things you give people?

01:11:07.000 I get what he's saying, and I think that there maybe is a solution to it where it's like there's a cap.

01:11:12.000 Okay, so it doesn't hurt the farmers and it doesn't hurt even the millionaires.

01:11:15.000 It's like there's a cap and then the rest of that has to go back into the pool.

01:11:19.000 I absolutely disagree.

01:11:20.000 Why is there a system of profit?

01:11:22.000 Well, some people are good at things and some people aren't.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, but some people are born into it.

01:11:26.000 Right.

01:11:26.000 That is true.

01:11:27.000 Some people are good at things and some people aren't.

01:11:28.000 That's true, but some people are getting things not because they're good at something.

01:11:32.000 Right, but that's like an issue.

01:11:35.000 So if you have a system where some dude is like, I've figured out a way to create energy that's extremely effective and efficient.

01:11:43.000 And then we say, but we're going to put a limit on how much you can actually grow your business.

01:11:47.000 That's a bad thing.

01:11:48.000 Well, no, no.

01:11:49.000 John Rockefeller did that exact thing.

01:11:50.000 He figured out how to transport oil with pipelines, and then they had to break up his company because it was too powerful, Standard Oil.

01:11:57.000 So I'm saying like stopping monopolies is different from telling the little guy he can't have 30 or more employees.

01:12:03.000 It actually sounds the same.

01:12:05.000 I don't think so.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's exactly the same thing.

01:12:07.000 If you're going to break up a monopoly, you are saying to that business owner, you cannot have x, y, z thing, no matter how good you are at getting that thing.

01:12:14.000 But I'm talking about scale.

01:12:15.000 I'm not talking about, like, principle.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, hard law.

01:12:19.000 I'm saying that, like, censorship, for instance.

01:12:21.000 Censorship is actually a good thing, depending on the context.

01:12:25.000 If someone's posting child abuse on websites, we certainly want censors to, like, get rid of that, find those people, and arrest them.

01:12:30.000 We don't want our political opinions to be censored.

01:12:32.000 But then there's a challenge in what constitutes a political opinion, so you have morality issues.

01:12:37.000 If there's one company that controls all communications, and they're censoring their political rivals, or it's a cabal in Silicon Valley, we got a very serious problem.

01:12:45.000 If it's like one small website who is having their domain seized by big companies, so we want to protect the smaller guy.

01:12:54.000 So, my point is, Yes, in certain circumstances antitrust makes sense, but the idea that someone is allowed to earn more money, they're not ripping somebody off, they're allowed to expand their business, we just don't want them to control all of the market.

01:13:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:10.000 That's for sure.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:13.000 Let's talk about this story we got from CNBC.

01:13:16.000 Inflation rose 7.9% in February as food and energy costs pushed prices to the highest in more than 40 years.

01:13:22.000 Every single month.

01:13:25.000 Same headline.

01:13:26.000 They're like, the new numbers have come out and it's worse than it's been in four decades.

01:13:29.000 I feel like I just saw the January numbers, right?

01:13:32.000 And that was 7.5.

01:13:33.000 And now it's 7.9 in February.

01:13:35.000 So let's talk about what this means for you guys.

01:13:38.000 Ian was just discussing money and currency, and there's some interesting questions to have here.

01:13:41.000 I don't care about the US dollar in terms of what that means for you because we got other numbers to deal with.

01:13:46.000 What I care about is, how many hours do you have to work to eat a meal, to live, to have healthcare?

01:13:53.000 And this is the big problem I have with the left when they're like, $15 minimum wage!

01:13:58.000 And I'm like, The number and the piece of paper or the digital currency does not change that you will have to work a set amount of hours to earn certain resources.

01:14:10.000 It's simple.

01:14:11.000 If everyone in the country is getting paid 15 bucks an hour to make a widget, the cost of widgets goes up with the cost of labor.

01:14:19.000 So changing the number does not change the amount of time taken from the person to produce the object.

01:14:25.000 So my thing is, when it comes to better standards of living, it's a supply and demand issue with labor versus supply.

01:14:33.000 Demand for labor versus supply of labor.

01:14:36.000 And it's what people are willing to work for.

01:14:38.000 Right now, people are not willing to work for that much.

01:14:41.000 But the fact remains, if it's by government force or by unionization, if every single person says, you know what, the government won't raise our wages, then we're all going to demand it.

01:14:52.000 You will still get inflation and you will still work the exact same amount of hours for the exact same resources.

01:14:59.000 But this was the argument against abolishing slavery.

01:15:04.000 I mean, well, because if you want really cheap goods, I mean, if you're saying that, well, you can't raise wages because if you raise wages, then that's going to raise the cost of goods.

01:15:11.000 I'm saying that money represents time and value, time and labor.

01:15:19.000 Time and labor won't change my mandate.

01:15:21.000 So what you'll get is there's a few interesting things.

01:15:23.000 The minimum wage will allow people to buy computers for less time of their lives.

01:15:30.000 So we get our computers made by, you know, like sweatshop and slave labor in a foreign country. 0.92

01:15:35.000 And if a computer costs $500 and you get $500 per week from your job, if we give you a 20% raise, it'll take you 20% less time to buy that product because the product is imported from a country that uses slave labor. 0.99

01:15:46.000 But if you're buying American-made goods, And their wages go up the same as yours, you now have to pay the same amount of time for their amount of time.

01:15:54.000 Right, so basically you're saying then, so then what is your solution?

01:15:58.000 To keep wages low?

01:16:00.000 What do you mean?

01:16:01.000 For certain groups of people in order to keep the goods low?

01:16:03.000 No, no, no, I'm saying that's not a principle or a moral position, that's a fact.

01:16:08.000 It's just a mathematical fact.

01:16:10.000 Changing the representation of time and labor doesn't change time and labor.

01:16:14.000 So if someone comes out and says, let's put it this way, let's use arbitrary gaff tape.

01:16:19.000 For every hour you work, you get one gaff tape.

01:16:21.000 Oh my.

01:16:22.000 If we say, well, I demand two gaff tape.

01:16:24.000 It's like, okay, but you still have to work for an hour.

01:16:28.000 And these items just represent that hour.

01:16:30.000 It doesn't matter how many of them you have.

01:16:32.000 What matters is what someone is willing to pay in terms of their time for your time.

01:16:36.000 So, money as a number is mostly arbitrary?

01:16:40.000 It's not entirely.

01:16:41.000 And so I'll tell you, when it comes to inflation, what happens is, if you work for one hour, and you're given money to represent that one hour of labor, you can now exchange it for the equivalent value of one hour of someone else's labor.

01:16:52.000 With inflation, your time is being stripped away.

01:16:55.000 So now you worked for an hour, and it's the equivalent to a half an hour.

01:16:58.000 That's inflation.

01:16:59.000 The actual number of the currency, this is completely missed by many on the left when they argue for minimum wage.

01:17:05.000 If we eliminated currency from the question, you'd be saying to someone, okay, you work for one hour at my restaurant and you'll be able to buy a meal.

01:17:16.000 Okay, money is irrelevant.

01:17:18.000 Whether the meal costs $5 or $10, one hour gets you one meal.

01:17:21.000 If you have two guys and one guy makes the meal and one guy sources the food, they're both still going to have to work one hour of their life to exchange the meal, to give the food to the guy to make the meal so they could both enjoy it.

01:17:33.000 You change their minimum wage and now $10 represents their one hour, they're still asking for an hour of each other's time.

01:17:40.000 So the solution to minimum wage issues is supply and demand.

01:17:45.000 But again, the system is never going to change.

01:17:48.000 This will always be the case, even if it's done through capitalism or if it's done through government command economies.

01:17:53.000 The only thing that you'll get is ebbs and flows.

01:17:56.000 So one of the things I think is good about a minimum wage increase is that imported goods that we get from slaves will be easier to acquire for people working minimum wage.

01:18:04.000 Americans don't want to admit the reality of their slave-made goods, but that's the reality. 0.99

01:18:08.000 So if a slave is going to work for one hour to make, you know, 50 shirts in the United States, if we give you a minimum wage increase, that won't be a wage increase for the slave who's getting paid garbage or not getting paid at all.

01:18:18.000 Americans love their foreign products.

01:18:21.000 They absolutely do.

01:18:21.000 Made in China, across the board.

01:18:24.000 If we were to increase the wage of a sweatshop worker, same as you, you might see a lag in goods that already exist coming through, and so that's one benefit of raising minimum wages.

01:18:35.000 So if a shirt is made, and then the person gets paid to make it, and they go in to buy food, and then 30 days later the shirt arrives, the cost of that shirt is still, say, five bucks.

01:18:45.000 However, in the past week, you got a dollar raise, and you made six bucks this week, so you can buy the five dollar shirt and have a dollar left over.

01:18:50.000 It feels good.

01:18:52.000 However, now that they've given a raise to the other guy within a week's time, the shirt's now $6.

01:18:57.000 So raising the minimum wage is a temporary, it's a Ponzi scheme.

01:19:01.000 The whole system is a big Ponzi scheme, but there you go.

01:19:04.000 It buys you about eight months.

01:19:05.000 People love those eight months of currency raise because you can get 20% more stuff.

01:19:11.000 Well, look what happened at the beginning of the pandemic.

01:19:13.000 Our government engaged in the largest transfer of wealth that has occurred in all of human history.

01:19:18.000 They printed about $2.2 trillion, about $450 billion of that went to the Fed to leverage out $4.5 trillion in loans.

01:19:23.000 And the way the wealth is redistributed in a very insidious way is the people who get the money first in loans before the inflation really hits are the ones who benefit and that comes off the back of everyone else who now has more difficulty affording things and who have lost the value of their savings because that money was printed devaluing the currency or because it was floated into the marketplace devaluing the currency.

01:19:44.000 The people that get first access to the money.

01:19:47.000 Yes.

01:19:47.000 That's really disturbing.

01:19:48.000 Exactly.

01:19:48.000 Yeah.

01:19:49.000 It's a redistribution of wealth from people who access the money first or two people who access the money first from everybody else.

01:19:55.000 But that was because they actually added money into the system that didn't exist prior to that point.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:01.000 So it would be different if you're raising minimum wage and a corporate boss was told, you have to raise the wage to $15 an hour, but you have to do it out of the resources you currently have.

01:20:11.000 You're not getting more from me.

01:20:13.000 I'm not going to print money and give it to you.

01:20:16.000 So, for example, you have inflation in certain sectors just depending on how the wealth is redistributed, as opposed to new money being created.

01:20:23.000 So, for example, when the federal government started guaranteeing student loans, colleges started raising their prices, which was an inflation within that particular field, even though new money wasn't actually created.

01:20:33.000 So you'd have to actually stop greedy inflation, because there's really no more demand.

01:20:37.000 It's not a supply or demand issue when you're talking about things like college education, necessarily.

01:20:42.000 Yeah, no, I hear you.

01:20:43.000 I mean, I would agree with you completely.

01:20:44.000 Especially things that are not tangible.

01:20:45.000 When you're looking at college education, there's certainly, yeah, I mean, it's greed.

01:20:49.000 But we also know, based on all the research, and according to the National Bureau for Economic Research, I should say, colleges are going to respond to those kinds of subsidies by raising the prices.

01:20:58.000 I think what we have to do is just shift the incentives and consider the incentives before implementing any kind of policy.

01:21:04.000 Because The idea behind guaranteeing student loans was more people will be able to go to college.

01:21:08.000 It was a very nice idea, but they didn't actually think through the incentives that was creating for the colleges, and it ended up making college less accessible for everybody in the long run.

01:21:17.000 That's why you have to do it as a two-step process.

01:21:19.000 So not only do you offer an affordable education to somebody in a way by giving them some sort of access to a loan or even just tuition, free tuition, but you then would have to have the second step being that you do the control on the university itself.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, I think there's an argument to be made.

01:21:36.000 I'd have to look into a specific policy prescription there, but... I think we just, you know, get rid of universities.

01:21:42.000 You always say that, but we need education.

01:21:43.000 Do you like the house you live in?

01:21:44.000 Because you need an architect to build it.

01:21:46.000 Do you like the roads you drive on?

01:21:47.000 Do you like the doctors you go to?

01:21:48.000 This house wasn't built by an architect.

01:21:50.000 Either way, somebody had to actually... then it's not structurally sound and is it going to collapse on me?

01:21:54.000 I mean... This house was actually built by a bunch of local dudes.

01:21:59.000 But either way, some architect... Slowly over time... Somebody had to check it to make sure that it was structurally sound.

01:22:05.000 And that was an educated person who understood architecture in order to ensure that the beams are in the right spot, that you have support beams where they need to be.

01:22:15.000 Of course it's true.

01:22:16.000 I mean, what about a skyscraper?

01:22:17.000 So you just wouldn't let anybody just go and build a skyscraper without an education to know how to do it?

01:22:22.000 Do you need a certification to build a skyscraper?

01:22:25.000 It sure helps.

01:22:26.000 I mean, look, like, I'm not gonna go to just any random Yahoo about some, you know, for my doctors, for example.

01:22:32.000 So architecture is art, and engineering is the actual structure, right?

01:22:35.000 So an architect will, like, draw a pretty picture of a building with, like, cool, like, arches, and the engineer has to figure out how to distribute weight and do things like that.

01:22:42.000 For this house, specifically, this is a true story.

01:22:46.000 It was built by a bunch of local guys who just knew basic carpentry and construction.

01:22:54.000 And so they all understood the basic weight.

01:22:56.000 Every beam of wood has like a, you know, what's the right word?

01:23:03.000 How much weight it can withstand.

01:23:04.000 So they have like two beams here, two beams there, and they're like, okay, these beams can hold this weight so we can build up to this side because the total weight.

01:23:12.000 It's not coming from university.

01:23:13.000 They learn these things.

01:23:15.000 So we've built stuff on our own.

01:23:17.000 We're having skate ramps built.

01:23:18.000 And it's just guys who know how to put nails in wood and know the general capacity of certain wood.

01:23:22.000 They just, you learn these things over time.

01:23:25.000 You can learn those things, but how do you control the quality of that education that somebody learns?

01:23:29.000 So somebody could come knocking on my door like a snake oil salesman and be like, Hey, guess what, Kim?

01:23:33.000 I could build you a house in your backyard.

01:23:35.000 I know how to do it.

01:23:36.000 I learned all of it.

01:23:37.000 Where did you learn it?

01:23:37.000 Online.

01:23:38.000 I watched YouTube videos.

01:23:40.000 Okay, fine.

01:23:41.000 But how do I know?

01:23:41.000 Show me proof of your work.

01:23:42.000 Right.

01:23:43.000 Well, somebody would have to have trusted him to start.

01:23:45.000 An apprenticeship.

01:23:46.000 But here's the thing, I mean... So the person gets a job as an apprentice when they're young, working for... But that's no different than a university, that's what... A university is apprenticeship, just on a large scale.

01:23:53.000 No, no, no, no, one pays you and you pay the other, right?

01:23:55.000 But a lot of times you can't find an apprentice that'll take you on.

01:23:58.000 Because it's nepotist, you know, the nepotism, or it's who you know, or they're paid off by somebody, it's essentially a university.

01:24:05.000 So university is just education at scale.

01:24:07.000 But that's not an argument for the situation at hand.

01:24:09.000 That's just an argument for maybe there's crime.

01:24:12.000 Or maybe there's social problems.

01:24:14.000 If the issue is you're going to tell someone to go spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to university so they can learn something and be in a classroom versus someone can get paid to work even if you're just getting coffee to start for the first month and actually watch something happen in real time, university is detrimental.

01:24:29.000 So, well, first of all, I don't think you should have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for university.

01:24:33.000 So it should be something that is... Well, who pays for it?

01:24:36.000 Well, I don't think, knowledge shouldn't be so expensive.

01:24:40.000 I mean, you certainly would want your professors to be able to live and feed their families and have a nice life so that they're incentivized to become professors.

01:24:50.000 But it doesn't need to be to the level where it's at where these universities are getting

01:24:54.000 these huge, you know, they have these massive accounts worth billions and billions of dollars.

01:24:59.000 I mean, it's just outrageous.

01:25:02.000 But so, you know, you'd have to find that.

01:25:03.000 So with this whole idea of going to a society and just eliminating university, I'm not actually

01:25:08.000 calling for eliminating universities.

01:25:09.000 You just did.

01:25:10.000 That was me being hyperbolic for I thought that was fairly.

01:25:12.000 I say it every time I talk.

01:25:13.000 I don't say abolish universities.

01:25:15.000 You don't like universities?

01:25:16.000 Yeah, I think people shouldn't go to them, but I think in terms of like research at universities and grants are fine for certain jobs, like you want to be a doctor.

01:25:24.000 I understand why we make people go to school to be a doctor and get a certification there.

01:25:27.000 But for the most part, universities should be like an aside, you know?

01:25:33.000 Well, so maybe they've expanded and maybe you don't agree with all of the topics that they teach.

01:25:40.000 I'll tell you this.

01:25:41.000 If someone tries to get a job from me and they have college on their resume, it's a net negative.

01:25:48.000 Outright.

01:25:48.000 Out of the gate.

01:25:49.000 But that's just because you have bias.

01:25:50.000 But that's just you.

01:25:52.000 Absolutely.

01:25:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:53.000 Quite literally.

01:25:54.000 And it's because in my experience, I have already hired many people who have spent too much time at institutionalized learning facilities and have not enough real-world experience.

01:26:01.000 They can't understand how to make things function properly.

01:26:04.000 So, for me personally, I'm like, if you've spent this much of your life in school, you probably, you know, I think that's a net negative.

01:26:12.000 However, portfolio is the most important thing.

01:26:13.000 You come to me and say, I went to college, I'll say, sure, whatever, show me your portfolio.

01:26:16.000 You can't do that?

01:26:17.000 I'm not interested.

01:26:18.000 But my issue is, you know, I've spent a lot of time around people who have chosen to start working from a young age, worked side jobs

01:26:26.000 throughout high school, and then decided to get into an industry outside of high

01:26:29.000 school. And then a lot of people who went to college and didn't know what they're going to college

01:26:32.000 for, but they were told to by their parents. And that's what everyone was told to do. Racked up

01:26:36.000 a bunch of debt and now have no idea what they're doing with their lives and are miserable,

01:26:38.000 paying off debt, working crappy jobs.

01:26:40.000 Right.

01:26:41.000 So the debt part is the issue.

01:26:42.000 It's not really the actual experience of going to college because you can't expect every 18 year old to know what they want to do with their lives at the time that they're 18.

01:26:48.000 I disagree.

01:26:48.000 I think that's a huge social problem we have.

01:26:51.000 I knew what I wanted to do for the most part.

01:26:52.000 But that was you.

01:26:53.000 So again, it's, you know, there's a lot of people that they're still finding themselves.

01:26:56.000 And they shouldn't be at 18 because you're an adult at 18.

01:27:00.000 And so this is one of the problems we have as a country.

01:27:03.000 When I was a little kid I was playing music, I was skateboarding, I was rollerblading, and I was programming websites and video games on a computer and I was reading the news.

01:27:12.000 When I was like 10 years old I'm on CompuServe and AOL.

01:27:15.000 And I'm reading articles and I'm doing it and somehow managed to, here I am, you know, not 36.

01:27:20.000 A bunch of my friends were doing literally nothing.

01:27:23.000 You know, I was homeschooled from the time I was born until I started preschool, until I started kindergarten.

01:27:28.000 A bunch of my friends sat around doing nothing but watching TV.

01:27:32.000 Just mindless nonsense.

01:27:33.000 By the time they were 18, they were like, I don't know what I'm doing.

01:27:36.000 And I was like, I've written several songs.

01:27:37.000 I've recorded and published them.

01:27:39.000 I've made several websites.

01:27:40.000 I've done a bunch of odd jobs.

01:27:42.000 And then people were like, go to college.

01:27:43.000 I was like, what for?

01:27:44.000 I'm already working, I'm already getting experience in all this stuff, and I'm watching people go to college being completely clueless.

01:27:50.000 The problem is, we as a society have been telling our kids to do nothing, and say, just go to school, just go to school.

01:27:56.000 We've put them in institutionalized learning facilities that don't teach them anything. 0.99

01:27:59.000 School sucks. 0.94

01:28:00.000 You know every kid thinks it. 1.00

01:28:02.000 Every kid says it.

01:28:03.000 So we're taking kids and saying, for 22 years of your life, you're going somewhere you hate.

01:28:08.000 Now you're 22, you're out of college, I expect you to have skills that's going to be valuable to society.

01:28:12.000 And they don't!

01:28:13.000 It's not surprising.

01:28:15.000 But a lot of them do.

01:28:16.000 A lot of them do.

01:28:17.000 I think that's a relative argument.

01:28:18.000 I think if you took a kid who grew up and worked on his dad's farm or in his dad's smithing shop or smelting, you know, work smelting, or watched his dad weld, and then he grew up and went to high school and learned basic math and stuff and had been working at the family business, you take that person at 18 compared to an 18-year-old who did none of those things, The 18-year-old fresh out of high school who worked for his dad's shop is going to tell you about accounting, finance, banking.

01:28:40.000 He's going to explain to you what time the workers come in.

01:28:42.000 He's going to know about the labor laws.

01:28:44.000 And that other kid's going to be like, I have no idea what any of that is.

01:28:47.000 And you expect the kid who did nothing but go to an institutionalized learning facility to know what they want to do with their life.

01:28:52.000 The kid who was welding when he was 13 is gonna be like, I once made this really cool structure with my dad.

01:28:56.000 They're gonna have that memory, they're gonna have the experience, and at the very least, they're gonna have real world work experience and connections in their community.

01:29:02.000 I think school is one of the biggest detriments to human civilization.

01:29:07.000 I think that I understand parents can't be there explaining math and history to all these kids, but now you take a look at what's going on with, like, Florida, Don't Say Gay, you take a look at what's going on with teachers refusing to let parents know what they're teaching their kids, and then teaching these kids a lot of complete wacky activist nonsense, I'm like, it's just gotten worse from the get-go.

01:29:26.000 We used to be a civilization of apprentices.

01:29:29.000 The kids would watch the parents work.

01:29:32.000 Not only was I homeschooled, but my mom opened a coffeehouse and I got to watch how the business worked.

01:29:37.000 So I'm in sixth grade and I'm earning money.

01:29:39.000 And so I've got money, I've got responsibility.

01:29:41.000 I bought my own Game Boy and my own Pokemon Red.

01:29:43.000 That was, for me, I guess in this civilization, I was lucky to have all those things.

01:29:47.000 You were.

01:29:48.000 I wish that my parents had a business.

01:29:49.000 I always wished that growing up.

01:29:51.000 And that's what we need to do to civilization.

01:29:53.000 But the thing is, you know, I agree with you that society definitely pushes education way too hard and that they devalue the apprenticeship sort of track for kids.

01:30:03.000 And I do agree that they absolutely allow kids to just kind of go through and not know what they're wanting to do and just continue on that aimless path.

01:30:12.000 But, you know, just even looking in you sharing your experience, me sharing mine, anecdotally, my dad on his side of the family, my grandfather was a farmer.

01:30:21.000 He was the son of a farmer that immigrated here from Denmark, then ran the farm.

01:30:25.000 My grandfather hated the farm.

01:30:26.000 He became a teamster.

01:30:27.000 He was a trucker.

01:30:28.000 He supported all seven kids being a truck driver.

01:30:30.000 My grandmother was a secretary at a newspaper.

01:30:33.000 All seven of my dad's siblings, of the seven kids, my dad was the only one who went to college.

01:30:38.000 Everybody else in my family, blue-collar workers, they all worked in factories, they were dry cleaners, they were landscapers, they were working to the bone every day, back-breaking work.

01:30:49.000 My dad went to college, got a computer programming degree, was able to then get a really good job.

01:30:54.000 Out of the seven kids, we absolutely had more money than the others.

01:30:58.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:30:59.000 How old was your dad?

01:31:00.000 Like, when was he born?

01:31:01.000 47.

01:31:01.000 So my theory on this is that your dad likely went to college because he liked computers and he was passionate

01:31:08.000 about something.

01:31:08.000 See, back then our society didn't tell people college was mandatory.

01:31:11.000 Right.

01:31:12.000 It wasn't.

01:31:13.000 Right.

01:31:14.000 So your dad, you know, so if you're in this age, you know, in the 60s and 70s, people were able to get a high school

01:31:21.000 diploma and then support their family.

01:31:23.000 A family of five on just a high school diploma was normal. 0.97

01:31:26.000 So why go to college at all?

01:31:27.000 Unless you really wanted to because you were passionate about it.

01:31:29.000 So I'd argue your dad made more money because of his passion, not because he went to college.

01:31:33.000 Well, because the job he got commanded more money.

01:31:36.000 So he was able to get a job of a higher wage that put us into upper middle class versus my family, which was blue collar middle class.

01:31:43.000 You know what I love?

01:31:45.000 Jimmy John's sandwiches.

01:31:46.000 Is it difficult to make sandwiches?

01:31:49.000 No.

01:31:49.000 Do you need a degree to learn how to make a sandwich?

01:31:51.000 Absolutely not.

01:31:51.000 But Jimmy John is a rich dude because he made a lot of sandwiches.

01:31:55.000 Right.

01:31:56.000 So the college argument for wealth, to me, makes absolutely no sense.

01:32:00.000 You could be the best dang chimney sweep in the country and be a millionaire. 1.00

01:32:05.000 But that's like one, but that's a few.

01:32:06.000 So you have an entire group of, let's say, lawyers, right?

01:32:11.000 As a whole, on average, they make way more money than an entire group of sandwich makers.

01:32:16.000 So you've got, yes, the Jimmy John, who happens to be, and I know Jimmy John, actually, who happens to be... Big fan!

01:32:23.000 We ordered Jimmy John every day this week because of my birthday week.

01:32:26.000 I love Jimmy John's also, but I used to live in Champaign, Illinois.

01:32:30.000 I did radio there.

01:32:31.000 Really?

01:32:31.000 I've been through the area quite a bit, yeah.

01:32:33.000 We put them on the panini grill and get them, mmm, man.

01:32:35.000 Oh, really?

01:32:35.000 I've never tried that.

01:32:37.000 I mean, they are damn good sandwiches, right? 0.96

01:32:39.000 Yes.

01:32:39.000 Lawyers make more than sandwich makers, but my point is, no matter what job you choose, you can be rich if you're passionate and driven to do it.

01:32:45.000 Also, sandwich makers are much more popular.

01:32:48.000 That's true.

01:32:49.000 They're way more liked.

01:32:50.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:32:51.000 But, you know, I look at my mom's side of the family, for example, and they're all Vietnamese immigrants.

01:32:55.000 And what do you think Vietnamese immigrants do when they come here to America?

01:32:57.000 I'll give you one guess.

01:33:00.000 Nobody wants to be there.

01:33:02.000 I want to say something, but I'm not going to say it on TV.

01:33:06.000 Nail salons, right? 0.99

01:33:07.000 So they do nail salons. 1.00

01:33:09.000 So everybody in my family on my mom's side, and they work and they scrub feet, literally, for a living. 0.96

01:33:14.000 It's hard work.

01:33:15.000 It is.

01:33:15.000 It's very hard work.

01:33:17.000 And they do it so that they would put my generation through college.

01:33:20.000 And what do they tell all of us kids?

01:33:21.000 They say, you're going to go to college and you're going to be an engineer.

01:33:24.000 You're going to be a doctor.

01:33:24.000 You're going to be a lawyer.

01:33:26.000 Right?

01:33:26.000 And that's it.

01:33:27.000 And that was the only choices we had.

01:33:28.000 We had like three choices and that's all you could be.

01:33:30.000 And it was they were scrubbing feet in order to put us into college in order to get those jobs because on average now my generation which is you know now we're in our 30s and 40s we on average make more money than my mom's generation.

01:33:42.000 Now that being said my aunt is a very wealthy nail salon owner who owns a ton of nail salons in the Beverly Hills area. 1.00

01:33:49.000 So she owned five nail salons. 1.00

01:33:51.000 She does all the celebrity nails. 0.99

01:33:52.000 She's been the big hot shot nail salon owner in Beverly Hills since 1988. 1.00

01:33:57.000 Makes the most money out of everybody.

01:33:59.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:34:00.000 But collectively as a whole, my generation makes more money than my mom's generation on average.

01:34:07.000 So there was the one that got lucky, but she has to support the rest.

01:34:11.000 My generation, none of us have to support each other because we all make enough money to support ourselves.

01:34:16.000 I mean, I don't think it's luck at all.

01:34:19.000 It was hard work for sure, but it was also luck because a lot of other people work very, very hard.

01:34:23.000 And I don't want to discount the fact that somebody works very, very hard, but just never got the break in life to make a bunch of money.

01:34:28.000 I don't think it's the break.

01:34:29.000 I think it's, you know, the saying is chance favors the prepared.

01:34:33.000 Some people are prepared to make sacrifices or take chances and others aren't.

01:34:37.000 But sometimes your chance and the success like you were born here in America.

01:34:42.000 So you had the opportunity to have a lot of success in America.

01:34:45.000 But if you were an immigrant coming in from like El Salvador and you've got to literally walk your rear end all the way across a continent. 1.00

01:34:53.000 To get yourself into America, that was a lot of hard work.

01:34:55.000 And then you get here, and maybe you're only living in a two-bedroom apartment, but to you, that's rich compared to where you could have lived.

01:35:01.000 You think I had a two-bedroom apartment?

01:35:02.000 No, I'm saying to that person.

01:35:04.000 If that person lived in a two-bedroom apartment here, that's, to them, wealth.

01:35:08.000 They've made it, right?

01:35:09.000 But compared to you, it's not.

01:35:11.000 Yeah, it was.

01:35:11.000 But to this guy even, I mean, this guy was living in a shack on dirt in El Salvador or something, so everybody's wealth is relative to where they came from.

01:35:21.000 You know, and so, I mean, I know guys that started off with millions, and then they made billions.

01:35:26.000 Yeah.

01:35:27.000 And to them, that was... Donald Trump?

01:35:29.000 Started off with a million dollars.

01:35:30.000 Small loan of a million dollars.

01:35:32.000 That's a problem.

01:35:33.000 Going to... To Sweden and seeing the bad neighborhoods in Sweden.

01:35:37.000 And I was like, this is so nice.

01:35:39.000 Like the houses, like the apartments for like the poor people were just like the wealthy area of Chicago.

01:35:45.000 And I told them that and they were just like, yeah.

01:35:47.000 I'm like, Chicago's bad, man.

01:35:49.000 It's really bad.

01:35:50.000 You had to go to Sweden to figure that out.

01:35:52.000 Let's go to Super Chats, though, and we'll have more on this.

01:35:55.000 I love the conversation, by the way.

01:35:56.000 But we'll go to Super Chats now because we want to make sure we can get as many as possible.

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01:36:06.000 Let's read more from you guys.

01:36:08.000 We got...

01:36:10.000 Tier seven to eight says the judge looked like a complete clown after the sentencing he doubled down in his lies the judge did and Proceeded to inflame racial tensions further after years of court wasted resources five felonies perjury on the stand and hours for hours, etc You mean a Jussie looked like a complete clown after sentencing the judge it says the judge but hasn't I don't think the judge was the one yelling Smollett all right I don't know, maybe this is a pro-Jussie tweet.

01:36:36.000 It's a pro-Jussie super chat.

01:36:39.000 Cristiano says, Kim, thanks for keeping it real over there at Rising.

01:36:43.000 Ryan and Robbie are cool and all, but you're the one bringing the fire.

01:36:46.000 I do have to say, I think you are the perfect person for them to have hired for Rising.

01:36:51.000 They haven't technically hired me. 0.99

01:36:53.000 Oh, well, then they're nuts.

01:36:54.000 But when I heard that they were having you come onto Rising, I was like, smartest decision they could have made.

01:36:59.000 Oh, thank you.

01:37:00.000 Yeah, Ryan's great.

01:37:02.000 That guy's awesome.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 Your friends?

01:37:05.000 He seems real stable.

01:37:07.000 Ryan?

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:09.000 He's got a real, like, soothing presence.

01:37:11.000 Yeah, today, you know, I just met him for the first time today.

01:37:11.000 He's very cool.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, in person.

01:37:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:37:15.000 Never met him and he's real quiet.

01:37:17.000 Raymond G. Stanley Jr.

01:37:18.000 says, Kim, how do you feel about working with Savi?

01:37:21.000 Suave?

01:37:22.000 Suave.

01:37:23.000 I mean, I like, I love both of them.

01:37:23.000 Oh, good.

01:37:25.000 They're both great.

01:37:25.000 I like Ryan and Robbie.

01:37:27.000 We're all friends.

01:37:30.000 All right.

01:37:33.000 I don't see them much.

01:37:34.000 I'm in L.A., you know, and they're here in D.C.

01:37:37.000 And so, like I said, I met Robbie one time when he came to L.A.

01:37:40.000 and I just met Ryan for the first time today.

01:37:44.000 W. Falcon says the trifecta, Tim, Kim, and Shim.

01:37:47.000 Shim cast. 0.96

01:37:49.000 I know she could have made it Kim cast. 0.62

01:37:53.000 Alpha Freedom Fighter says, Tim, today is my son's fifth birthday.

01:37:56.000 Can you shout him out?

01:37:57.000 Happy birthday, Lincoln, Hennessey.

01:37:59.000 Aw, cute.

01:38:01.000 Sarah says, happy belated birthday.

01:38:03.000 Hope this gets you a couple of nice extra well-done steaks and your favorite bottle of ketchup.

01:38:08.000 I love it.

01:38:10.000 We call it the Trump, you know?

01:38:11.000 You get it nice and seared and cooked all the way through.

01:38:14.000 Nice and brown.

01:38:15.000 Yeah, brown and tough.

01:38:16.000 We gotta get some organic ketchup without the high fructose.

01:38:20.000 I can't do the high fructose.

01:38:21.000 We should make our own.

01:38:21.000 It's gross.

01:38:22.000 We should grow our own tomatoes and make our own ketchup.

01:38:26.000 Alright, let's grab some more.

01:38:27.000 Steven says, hey Tim, are you gonna go see Sonic the Hedgehog 2 next month?

01:38:30.000 You know it!

01:38:31.000 I haven't seen the Batman yet.

01:38:32.000 Maybe I should go see that.

01:38:33.000 Oh yeah, I hear it's good.

01:38:34.000 I'm waiting for it to come out on HBO Max.

01:38:36.000 Batman?

01:38:37.000 It's long.

01:38:37.000 It's three hours.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:39.000 Too much.

01:38:41.000 All right.

01:38:42.000 They've raised the prices of movies so much.

01:38:43.000 Yeah, that's such a sham.

01:38:45.000 Well, how much are they now?

01:38:46.000 Well, and now I think AMC, didn't they, which one announced that they're going to, did they announce that they're going to be doing it based on the popularity of the movie?

01:38:52.000 Really?

01:38:52.000 I don't like that.

01:38:53.000 Yes, that's terrible.

01:38:55.000 Just wait until it comes out.

01:38:56.000 It's just it's fascinating how that's gonna affect box office numbers too because we were talking earlier about like economics and incentives and the more expensive the movie becomes as it gets more popular the fewer people are gonna want to pay the money to go see it.

01:39:09.000 Maybe they'll start off cheap and then as the weeks you want to go see it early before it starts getting expensive.

01:39:15.000 It's like an IPO.

01:39:16.000 Dude you're a scalper and if you think movies gonna be really popular you buy up a bunch of tickets before it gets popular and then you start selling them outside the theater.

01:39:22.000 It's like an IPO though.

01:39:24.000 You know, they're basically saying like, you know, Resident Evil is going to be starting at 10 bucks because we don't think anyone's going to want to see it.

01:39:28.000 And then people are like, yeah, I'll do 10 bucks and they go see it.

01:39:32.000 You know, I'll buy a thousand of those tickets.

01:39:33.000 It's interesting though, because it'll even it out though.

01:39:36.000 I'm fascinated to see how that turns out, because if each film doesn't cost the same amount, people are going to make their decision to see a film based on the price, which is not something we've really seen before with major motion pictures.

01:39:45.000 We'll see how it goes.

01:39:45.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 All right.

01:39:49.000 Chris Blank Production says, who wants to place bets that Smollett will write a book about being innocent in prison after all of this?

01:39:55.000 Well, he's not going to prison, but jail.

01:39:56.000 If I did it or something.

01:39:59.000 The true story.

01:39:59.000 You know what would be really funny?

01:40:01.000 If like Jussie really was innocent, it would be the funniest thing ever.

01:40:04.000 Dude, what a great Twilight Zone episode that would be.

01:40:06.000 What a twist.

01:40:07.000 Oh, we should, we should make that.

01:40:09.000 We should just do it.

01:40:10.000 Come on.

01:40:11.000 Who wants to produce crazy shows?

01:40:13.000 Let's hire him.

01:40:13.000 He's an actor.

01:40:14.000 When he gets out of jail, he'll be like, look, you're probably never going to work again.

01:40:17.000 We can give you one more opportunity.

01:40:18.000 We can give you one more opportunity to act on this for us.

01:40:20.000 We're going to tell your story.

01:40:21.000 Yeah.

01:40:22.000 Oh my gosh, we offered to tell a story.

01:40:24.000 If I did it.

01:40:25.000 That'd be amazing.

01:40:25.000 I would say before, we should do the Justice Millette short film.

01:40:29.000 You know, we can go to Chicago and we can film it.

01:40:32.000 Go to NBC.

01:40:32.000 That would be amazing.

01:40:33.000 Building right there.

01:40:34.000 All right.

01:40:35.000 Well, which one of you is going to be Jesse?

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:37.000 Oh, no, we're going to hire him.

01:40:39.000 I'll hire him.

01:40:40.000 I'll hire Jesse.

01:40:41.000 Ian, you're the actor.

01:40:43.000 That's true, actually.

01:40:46.000 All right, all right, all right.

01:40:48.000 Kenny says Smollett should be charged for his male crime.

01:40:51.000 That's true, too.

01:40:52.000 What was that?

01:40:52.000 A letter was sent to the studio before this happened, you know, insulting him and calling him a slur or something.

01:40:59.000 And it's been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure they said that he sent it to himself.

01:41:02.000 I don't know if that's true, though.

01:41:04.000 But I think- That's believable, isn't it?

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 And then when no one believed it and took action, he escalated and was like, okay, fine.

01:41:10.000 Yeah, so.

01:41:13.000 Jason says in some states you can request a firing squad as the means to carry a death sentence.

01:41:18.000 Even the accused can request it.

01:41:19.000 I think in Utah you can request a firing squad.

01:41:22.000 Firing squad.

01:41:23.000 I think the death penalty is wrong.

01:41:26.000 So, you know, whatever.

01:41:28.000 What would you guys pick if you had to pick?

01:41:29.000 Firing squad?

01:41:30.000 If I had to choose, yeah, I think firing squad.

01:41:33.000 Would you really, though?

01:41:33.000 I guess so.

01:41:34.000 I mean, if I had no choice.

01:41:35.000 Drawn and quartered.

01:41:36.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, that's wild.

01:41:38.000 Is that with the horses?

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 It's quartered because they cut you into four pieces.

01:41:43.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:41:43.000 What about carbon monoxide poisoning?

01:41:45.000 Isn't that peaceful?

01:41:46.000 In your sleep?

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:47.000 I don't think they administer the death penalty that way, though.

01:41:49.000 Why don't they?

01:41:50.000 Yeah, that's really nice.

01:41:51.000 It's very humane, you know?

01:41:52.000 I think the death penalty is wrong and we should not have it anyway because, you know, It's too late, you already said it.

01:41:56.000 Media Matters is going to clip it.

01:41:59.000 Tim thinks the death penalty should be administered by carbon monoxide poisoning.

01:42:03.000 Well, I didn't say... No, honestly, I think we should be way more humane if there's going to be a system doing it.

01:42:10.000 I just think it's wrong, so...

01:42:11.000 Anyway, let's read more of these superchats.

01:42:13.000 Nathan Coxey says, the four horsemen in Revelation.

01:42:17.000 First horse given crown and bow.

01:42:19.000 Look at root words in Greek and Latin.

01:42:21.000 They are corona and toxin.

01:42:23.000 Second horse causes war.

01:42:24.000 Third horse brings famine.

01:42:25.000 And the fourth brings death to a third of the people.

01:42:28.000 Second seal has been opened.

01:42:30.000 Yes, the famine.

01:42:32.000 I am extremely skeptical of any claim that we are living through Revelation.

01:42:37.000 Yeah, but I will say that the translations check out.

01:42:40.000 The Greek is a poisoned bow. 1.00

01:42:42.000 Toxon.

01:42:43.000 Not toxin.

01:42:44.000 Toxon.

01:42:45.000 T-O-X-O-N. 1.00

01:42:46.000 And the Latin for crown, of course, obviously is corona.

01:42:49.000 Here's the point.

01:42:49.000 Whether this is the end of the world, your world is going to end someday.

01:42:53.000 Everybody dies. 0.99

01:42:54.000 Get ready to die.

01:42:55.000 Yeah, the whole end of the world thing is like a trope that throughout history people are like, oh, the end is near.

01:43:01.000 Oh, you know, everybody hurts sometimes.

01:43:04.000 Sometimes everybody cries.

01:43:06.000 Yeah, I saw I remember I wasn't when I moved to LA the first time there's a billboard and it was like the end of the world is coming and it was like some guy had bought a bunch of billboards claiming the world was gonna end in like 2011 or whatever and then I remember like The world didn't end, you know, I wonder what happened all those people in their money.

01:43:24.000 Why take your y2k?

01:43:27.000 We're way overdue for y2k, I think that means it's coming soon. 0.96

01:43:30.000 Yes.

01:43:31.000 Yeah, the end is near.

01:43:32.000 Yeah Captain Forehead says, Dave Smith quote, if you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we are funding right now.

01:43:42.000 Love that quote.

01:43:43.000 Smart guy.

01:43:44.000 We need to roll back the state.

01:43:46.000 We're spying on all of our own citizens.

01:43:49.000 Well, my favorite headline of all time is CIA armed rebels turn against FBI armed rebels.

01:43:55.000 Amazing.

01:43:56.000 That's a real headline.

01:43:57.000 It's so sad.

01:43:58.000 Incredible.

01:43:59.000 Sandwich says LavaBit was an encrypted email provider that chose to shut down instead of handing records over to authorities.

01:44:04.000 Now that is admirable.

01:44:06.000 Good for them.

01:44:06.000 Absolutely, that's amazing.

01:44:07.000 Is that, by the way, is that like how the CIA and FBI have their, like, friendly competition?

01:44:12.000 Like, that's their annual softball game is they each arm a group of rebels and send them to war with each other?

01:44:16.000 It's like Firemen vs. Cops.

01:44:18.000 Who picks the better rebels? 0.52

01:44:19.000 Exactly.

01:44:20.000 Alessio Domonti says, Alex Jones just posted that Pentagon warns Putin may start a nuclear war on Rumble.

01:44:26.000 I wonder if it will turn true like 90% of anything he says.

01:44:30.000 I don't know if everything he says or that much turns out to be true.

01:44:33.000 That's a very high number.

01:44:34.000 The reason why there's a bit about Alex Jones being right is that he often says things that seem crazy and then it turns out he's right.

01:44:42.000 So, you know, he predicted back in October a war in February.

01:44:45.000 Right.

01:44:46.000 And he talked to me a bit about how he knew it, and he said in the full show, he explains exactly how he knows it.

01:44:53.000 He has sources.

01:44:54.000 There were certain high-level individuals making statements, and people clipped it, but they didn't post the full explanation.

01:45:02.000 So people are like, he was right again.

01:45:03.000 It's like, well, listen to what he said.

01:45:05.000 He had like sources and public sources, you know?

01:45:08.000 I did want to say that the most hyperbolic things Trump said about the Biden administration have completely come true.

01:45:13.000 Seven, eight, nine dollar guess.

01:45:14.000 Yeah, it's totally happening.

01:45:15.000 Lydia, remember when I told you this was a president who couldn't disappoint me?

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 Is that correct?

01:45:20.000 There you go.

01:45:21.000 All right.

01:45:22.000 Nonpartisan media says, Tim, you need to red pill Ian.

01:45:25.000 That or start looking into his background and see if he's working for the deep state.

01:45:28.000 Seems to be pushing establishment lines more than ever tonight.

01:45:31.000 LOL.

01:45:32.000 I'm controlled opposition, dude.

01:45:34.000 Ian, are you a cop?

01:45:36.000 No.

01:45:36.000 You have to tell me if you're a cop.

01:45:37.000 That's entrancement.

01:45:38.000 That's entrapment, dude.

01:45:39.000 I'm not lying right now.

01:45:43.000 No, come on. 0.85

01:45:44.000 You know, Ian's not a cop.

01:45:45.000 Wait, wait, wait. 0.85

01:45:45.000 He's an alien. 0.85

01:45:46.000 This is a lie. 0.96

01:45:48.000 This is a lie, what I'm saying right now.

01:45:49.000 This is a lie, yes.

01:45:51.000 This sentence is a lie.

01:45:53.000 All right.

01:45:54.000 Seemar says, Trump on Nelk or Mr. Beast on JRE?

01:45:58.000 Um, Mr. Beast on JRE.

01:46:00.000 I haven't listened to either of them though.

01:46:01.000 Yeah.

01:46:02.000 But I think with Trump on Nelk, you know, at this point, I don't know if Trump's going to reveal anything.

01:46:08.000 We don't already know.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, honestly, because he just says things and he talks a lot and he posts a lot.

01:46:14.000 But I think the important things you'd want to hear from Trump right now about the future, he obviously isn't going to be talking about for obvious reasons.

01:46:21.000 Mr. Beast on JRE, I'm interested to see that.

01:46:23.000 You know, interesting guy.

01:46:25.000 I saw a little bit of it.

01:46:26.000 They're both really good.

01:46:27.000 So I don't know why you'd put... they're very different.

01:46:29.000 One's political and one's not.

01:46:31.000 I like Mr. Beast.

01:46:33.000 I never knew much about him, and then I'm like, oh, some young upstart, and now he's got like 77 million subscribers.

01:46:38.000 This guy's so kind.

01:46:39.000 It was some huge number like that, yeah.

01:46:41.000 He just gives money to people.

01:46:42.000 Yep.

01:46:43.000 That's amazing.

01:46:43.000 Makes money and then gives it back.

01:46:44.000 People like that.

01:46:45.000 Yep.

01:46:46.000 He's getting rich off giving money away.

01:46:47.000 That's kind of cool.

01:46:50.000 All right, let's grab some more.

01:46:53.000 Let's see.

01:46:54.000 91.6 million subscribers.

01:46:56.000 Number one on YouTube.

01:46:57.000 Woody says, the retroactive crime comment made me comment.

01:47:00.000 How can we fight back against the ATF?

01:47:03.000 Recently, changes were made to Form 1 suppressors.

01:47:06.000 I bought a solvent trap to make one legally.

01:47:08.000 Now they're considered unregistered suppressors, meaning I would be a felon.

01:47:11.000 This is wrong.

01:47:12.000 Wow.

01:47:12.000 Yep, that's what Ian was saying.

01:47:14.000 Remember you were like, the dictator could just change the law?

01:47:16.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

01:47:17.000 Yep.

01:47:18.000 Abolish the ATF.

01:47:19.000 Not cool.

01:47:20.000 You gotta abolish the ATF.

01:47:22.000 Biden's been talking about doing some executive order for... I'm really tired of these executive orders, by the way.

01:47:27.000 What went wrong?

01:47:28.000 Is this George Bush started abusing it and then ever since?

01:47:31.000 Do you remember, Kim?

01:47:32.000 I feel like he did start, but it's just escalated.

01:47:36.000 Each presidency has used more and more and more.

01:47:39.000 Yeah.

01:47:39.000 But I'm not 100% certain on who, if it was Bush or Obama.

01:47:42.000 Obama went hard on executive orders.

01:47:44.000 He did.

01:47:45.000 It might have been Obama because he was so opposed, you know, who was McConnell that said, I'm going to do everything I can to stop every single thing that this guy tries to do.

01:47:53.000 I remember Bush using the war on terror as an excuse to do all sorts of extra congressional action.

01:47:59.000 It was really disturbing.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, that's what I remember.

01:48:01.000 And, like, it's a trend.

01:48:02.000 It's got to be curbed.

01:48:04.000 So this, now granted, my source here is CNN.

01:48:06.000 So, like, let's be really careful with this.

01:48:08.000 But apparently Eisenhower had far more in terms of, like, executive orders than did Bush, Obama, or Trump.

01:48:17.000 It seems as if it was actually decreasing for a number of years and then went up with Trump.

01:48:21.000 But this is CNN, all right?

01:48:22.000 So let's be careful.

01:48:23.000 Check Wikipedia.

01:48:24.000 Check your sources.

01:48:26.000 Shinobi Strongside says, please have Ian look up Jacques Fresco and his Larry King interview.

01:48:31.000 Yeah, he did.

01:48:32.000 Jacques was building this like utopian world.

01:48:36.000 Did you guys ever... Yeah, the circular cyber cities or whatever.

01:48:39.000 Yeah, and it was without money.

01:48:41.000 I think that's why he brought that up.

01:48:42.000 I didn't know he did a Larry King interview though.

01:48:44.000 Thanks.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, check it out.

01:48:46.000 But that was like the zeitgeist movement talked a lot about Jacque Fresco.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:50.000 And when I watched Jacque in the 2006 and five, I thought he was a crackpot.

01:48:54.000 It was too early in my life to really appreciate what he was doing.

01:48:57.000 I thought this guy's got a dream that's never going to happen.

01:49:00.000 Womp womp. 0.99

01:49:00.000 It was really sad. 0.99

01:49:01.000 And now I'm like, I should have given that guy more, more credence and kind of supported him, I think.

01:49:07.000 This is fast, by the way.

01:49:07.000 I'm looking through a bunch of different charts from different sources, so we're not stuck with CNN.

01:49:12.000 A lot of them measure differently, but most of them seem to have executive orders peak, unsurprisingly, with FDR.

01:49:18.000 Interesting.

01:49:18.000 Wartime stuff.

01:49:19.000 Right.

01:49:20.000 That would make some sense, I suppose.

01:49:22.000 Martin Buckley says, does Kim get attacked for her segments by colleagues?

01:49:25.000 She's like Tucker having a platform on CNN.

01:49:29.000 I would say it's like Tucker having a platform on Fox News.

01:49:31.000 Have you listened to Hannity?

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 I mean, do you agree?

01:49:35.000 You run against the grain at hell?

01:49:37.000 I would I mean, yeah, I don't know.

01:49:39.000 Sure.

01:49:40.000 I mean, I don't know if there's like really a grain.

01:49:43.000 But I mean, I would say that whatever anybody's any beef that we have about my segments you see on air.

01:49:50.000 So that's cool.

01:49:51.000 Yeah, but nothing off air.

01:49:53.000 Nice.

01:49:55.000 All right.

01:49:57.000 Xerocifer says, for Ian, can I build a good table for you?

01:50:00.000 100 bucks.

01:50:01.000 I know a guy that makes amazing tables that are like works of art and sells them for 25k.

01:50:05.000 How can you say he needs to sell for what I do, or how can you quantify his skill?

01:50:11.000 The market has to decide.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, you can give me a table.

01:50:15.000 I think he was like making a hypothetical.

01:50:15.000 Was that the question?

01:50:17.000 Give me the table, dude.

01:50:20.000 I didn't really get the question.

01:50:21.000 I got kind of confused with the amount of words in that thing.

01:50:24.000 I think he's asking, he says that the value of his friend's skill is such that he's able to sell a product that's worth $25,000, whereas if he were to make you a table, it would be worth $100.

01:50:33.000 Well, it depends on if I need a table or not.

01:50:35.000 Well, it depends on the value of the work, right?

01:50:38.000 Of the worksmanship.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, I mean, what if you put stuff on your table and it falls down?

01:50:41.000 Look at this table.

01:50:41.000 Exactly.

01:50:42.000 That's a great table.

01:50:43.000 This table was expensive.

01:50:44.000 Expensive table.

01:50:45.000 Supply and demand.

01:50:46.000 I think that people think just because they're good at something, they deserve money for it as a big problem.

01:50:50.000 Because if there's no demand for your work, then they're not going to get paid.

01:50:52.000 This guy's never watched the Dark Knight.

01:50:54.000 If there's no demand for your labor, then you're not going to get paid, even if you're the best on earth at it.

01:50:58.000 What?

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:59.000 People that do things and they just assume they're owed something for it?

01:51:03.000 If there's no demand for your labor?

01:51:05.000 Yeah, that whole money economy thing where like, I'm gonna go sit in a room and stare at a wall for an hour and get paid nine bucks.

01:51:11.000 I'm good at that, yeah.

01:51:12.000 Come on. 0.84

01:51:13.000 I like the line in The Dark Knight, great movie full of good quotes, when Joker's like, it's simple, we kill the Batman.

01:51:19.000 And they're like, if it's so simple, why haven't you done it?

01:51:21.000 And he's like, my mom always said, if you're good at something, don't do it for free.

01:51:24.000 That's right.

01:51:24.000 That was so good.

01:51:25.000 I love the, I'm gonna make this pencil disappear.

01:51:25.000 Love it.

01:51:28.000 What a great, great movie.

01:51:29.000 There's a lot of plot holes in it.

01:51:30.000 Like it's kind of dejected as a film, but it's one of my favorite films.

01:51:33.000 You know, weird jumping points, like whatever.

01:51:36.000 I need to watch that movie.

01:51:37.000 But, oh man, I got to tell you one of the best lines that seriously, the writing

01:51:41.000 for the Joker and the Dark Knight, when he's talking to Harvey Dent, wow.

01:51:46.000 You know that scene where he's in the hospital?

01:51:50.000 He's like, if I were to tell the media that, like, a gangbanger will get shot or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, well, nobody cares.

01:51:58.000 But when I say one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds.

01:52:01.000 Amazing.

01:52:02.000 Is that Jared Leto?

01:52:03.000 No.

01:52:04.000 Heath Ledger.

01:52:04.000 No!

01:52:06.000 But it was great writing.

01:52:07.000 And you're gonna get in trouble for that one.

01:52:08.000 I don't watch cartoon hero movies anymore.

01:52:12.000 It was good writing for me, especially because of the war comment.

01:52:15.000 That if you go to the media and say a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, no one cares. 0.84

01:52:19.000 And it is disgusting.

01:52:20.000 It is messed up that society just steamrolls over this stuff. 0.95

01:52:23.000 That Obama actually killed a 16-year-old American citizen without charge or trial.

01:52:28.000 And there was never any tribunal.

01:52:30.000 There was no criminal charges.

01:52:30.000 Nope.

01:52:32.000 Imagine that. 1.00

01:52:33.000 You could be the president and just kill American citizens. 1.00

01:52:36.000 Look, first of all, he was killing children. 1.00

01:52:38.000 It's bad enough.

01:52:39.000 You want to make an argument about war?

01:52:40.000 Sure.

01:52:41.000 But bombing a civilian restaurant and killing an American kid?

01:52:45.000 And there was nothing.

01:52:47.000 Nothing.

01:52:48.000 That's messed up.

01:52:50.000 And then I love it when people are like, Obama was great!

01:52:53.000 Didn't Joe Rogan recently call him the greatest president or whatever?

01:52:56.000 I wouldn't be shocked, that's very sad.

01:53:00.000 Speaking of really horrific things that go on in the world that people don't really pay attention to and aren't bothered by, I mentioned earlier we just did a video for Freedom Tunes on Yemen and the fact that the US has been aiding the Saudis in carrying out a genocide where An estimated 85,000 children under the age of five have starved to death because of the blockades that our government has been supporting. 0.66

01:53:21.000 It's really disgusting, horrible stuff, but it's part of the plan.

01:53:24.000 I have a correction.

01:53:25.000 Joe did not say he was the greatest president.

01:53:27.000 He said, Michelle Obama, she's intelligent, articulate.

01:53:30.000 She's the wife of the best president that we have had in our lifetime.

01:53:33.000 In terms of like a representative of intelligent, articulate people, she could win.

01:53:37.000 Okay, so that's very, very limited relative to saying you're just like the best president.

01:53:42.000 Yemen is where Obama bombed al-Awlaki's, Anwar al-Awlaki's son?

01:53:46.000 Is that what it is?

01:53:47.000 Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

01:53:48.000 Just say his name.

01:53:49.000 You don't need to say someone's son.

01:53:50.000 Yeah, I didn't know his name.

01:53:51.000 Sins of the father, I don't care. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Abdulrahman.

01:53:53.000 Abdulrahman.

01:53:54.000 And that was in Yemen.

01:53:55.000 So he was born, I think he was born in Boulder, was living in San Diego.

01:53:59.000 He went to visit family in Yemen.

01:54:00.000 And he was sitting with his dad in the restaurant.

01:54:02.000 Is that what it is?

01:54:03.000 Or in the building next door?

01:54:05.000 He was not with his dad.

01:54:06.000 His dad, I believe, was already dead because Obama also killed Anwar al-Awlaki, who was an American citizen without charge.

01:54:12.000 Obama, I think, did he state that he did it just to get at the guy's family?

01:54:16.000 No, his response was, whoopsie.

01:54:18.000 I think I was listening to Drinking Bros and they were saying that when someone, when a civilian gets hit, it's never an issue of precision, it's an issue of intelligence.

01:54:27.000 So when they hit someone, it's because that's who they intended to hit, they just might have been wrong about what they did.

01:54:32.000 Which is a very stunning indictment of the Obama administration.

01:54:35.000 The statement was that they were trying to target some other guy and they hit the wrong one?

01:54:38.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:54:39.000 I think the statement was, if you're a terrorist, we'll kill your children. 0.99

01:54:42.000 Did he say he should have had a better dad? 1.00

01:54:43.000 That was, I think that was Charlie Gibbs to Luke Rutkowski.

01:54:46.000 Luke was at a DNC, was it DNC?

01:54:49.000 Yeah, it was like a debate in 2012.

01:54:51.000 And I don't know if it was Luke or, I can't remember who else with him, Sarah maybe?

01:54:56.000 But someone asked, you know, what do you have to say, Obama killed a 60-year-old?

01:55:02.000 And the guy was like, I think it was Charlie Gibbs.

01:55:04.000 Well, he should have had a better dad.

01:55:05.000 Or maybe that was Peter King.

01:55:06.000 I'm not sure.

01:55:07.000 Extrajudicial assassinations.

01:55:08.000 Bad news, dude.

01:55:09.000 This Patriot Act thing's gotta go.

01:55:11.000 And you want to talk about the Constitution.

01:55:13.000 That was ten years ago that Luke was interviewing people about this stuff.

01:55:17.000 Barack Obama killed American citizens without charge or trial and he's never been held accountable for it.

01:55:23.000 You can argue about Trump all day and night.

01:55:24.000 You want to bring me the indictments against Trump, I'll read them.

01:55:26.000 How about, you know, you do that, then great.

01:55:28.000 Then we come back and then we talk about Obama, too.

01:55:32.000 Yeah, we got Luke in chat.

01:55:34.000 Did Luke mention... I see your latest chat, Luke, but I don't see your password.

01:55:38.000 He just says he said he should have had a better father.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 Sins of the father, man. 1.00

01:55:42.000 Kill a kid. 1.00

01:55:44.000 This is just so disgusting, man. 1.00

01:55:47.000 So disgusting. 0.95

01:55:47.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:55:48.000 All right.

01:55:49.000 Vosh says, you're wrong, Tim.

01:55:51.000 Read the fountainhead.

01:55:53.000 I started to read Atlas Shrugged and then I just watched the movie.

01:55:57.000 That's even worse, Tim.

01:55:58.000 It is, absolutely.

01:55:59.000 That's terrible.

01:55:59.000 But then what happened was I got about 40 minutes into the movie and then I decided just to play Bioshock instead.

01:56:05.000 Bioshock's awesome.

01:56:06.000 Gonna get Ayn Rand's philosophy either way.

01:56:08.000 That's right.

01:56:09.000 Atlas is the bad guy in Bioshock.

01:56:11.000 You actually fight Atlas.

01:56:13.000 But it's not like from the book.

01:56:14.000 Bioshock's so cool.

01:56:16.000 What a great game, dude.

01:56:17.000 Would you kindly... That's so good.

01:56:20.000 You guys know what I'm talking about.

01:56:23.000 All right.

01:56:25.000 Jace McNeil says, I could have paid 20k to go and learn to use heavy equipment.

01:56:28.000 I instead found a company who has been happy to train me and I get paid for it.

01:56:31.000 Cool.

01:56:31.000 One of my favorite stories is that back in my old neighborhood, there was a dude who he applied for a job at a warehouse as a forklift operator because it paid like six figures, but he was a high school dropout or something.

01:56:45.000 And then when he got there, they were like, all right, so you're going to be using, you know, this rig.

01:56:49.000 And he went, oh, well, I've never used that one before.

01:56:51.000 We'll train you.

01:56:51.000 And they're like, yeah, it's fine.

01:56:53.000 Got a six-figure job just like that.

01:56:54.000 That's awesome.

01:56:55.000 It's funny, isn't it?

01:56:57.000 That's cool.

01:56:57.000 They'll also train you if you need like a security clearance and you go into a job where it's required.

01:57:01.000 They can help you get that, too.

01:57:02.000 Count Drago says they removed Nelk Boys and Trump Podcasts.

01:57:06.000 Six million in 24 hours.

01:57:06.000 Yep.

01:57:10.000 So let me get this straight.

01:57:11.000 If we do a podcast with Trump and I just argue with him, we're good?

01:57:14.000 As long as you sit there and say, no, that is not accurate.

01:57:18.000 This is what's real.

01:57:19.000 Exactly.

01:57:19.000 You have to say that over and over.

01:57:20.000 Tim, you can't be like, no, you're much more competent and handsome than you're saying.

01:57:26.000 We had Bannon here and he made similar statements and I argued with him.

01:57:28.000 I told him he was wrong.

01:57:29.000 And I was like, Like, now we have to get into it because you said it, and I'm going to tell you, but I genuinely do think Trump is wrong.

01:57:35.000 I think, like, when I hear the fraud narrative, the rigged election stuff, I'm just like, whatever you believe, you are discouraging people from getting out and getting in these primaries, and I don't know why you're doing it.

01:57:46.000 You know, but I genuinely think this is a weakness of Trump supporters, where instead of believing they were beat by, as Time Magazine called it, the shadow campaign, through mass mail-in voting, through just ground game, getting out there and advocating, going to, you know, going to old folks' homes and, here are your mail-in ballots, they all came in the mail, make sure everybody fills them out.

01:58:06.000 They're just like, ah, it had to be Reagan.

01:58:07.000 It's the only way Trump could have lost.

01:58:08.000 And I'm like, or they took away sports, they took away movies, they took away going out with your family, they beat you over the head non-stop in the media, and then they mailed you a ballot and say, you want things to go back to normal?

01:58:17.000 There it is!

01:58:18.000 And people went, okay.

01:58:19.000 That's what I think happened.

01:58:21.000 Anyway.

01:58:22.000 Alright, let's see what we got here.

01:58:24.000 Maybe what and didn't is what they meant to put in there?

01:58:27.000 25% of Americans attend college. They are the highest paid people on earth. Why does Kim think the 75% of those?

01:58:32.000 Why does Kim maybe think the 75% of those who did attend college?

01:58:36.000 What is it? Maybe what and didn't is what they meant to put in there?

01:58:40.000 Like what did she think of the 75% didn't attend college?

01:58:43.000 Yeah, like Well, I can't really speculate, so there we go.

01:58:50.000 Let's see, Brop says, I joined the military at 18, got out and worked for two years, then went to a local community college and got a degree in computer-aided drafting.

01:59:00.000 I have an amazing career now.

01:59:01.000 Trade school for the win.

01:59:03.000 Well, although, is that trade school if you go to community college?

01:59:06.000 I don't know.

01:59:07.000 I don't know.

01:59:07.000 I'm going to look that up.

01:59:08.000 I'm curious, too.

01:59:11.000 According to Brave, community colleges are not trade school.

01:59:13.000 They're different.

01:59:13.000 They can get you ready for it, I think.

01:59:15.000 Tim's point, I work on semis.

01:59:16.000 I went to school for two years for a piece of 18,000, for a piece of 18,000 paper.

01:59:23.000 I have learned more working than ever in class.

01:59:25.000 18K feels wasted.

01:59:26.000 According to Brave, community colleges are not trade school.

01:59:30.000 They're different.

01:59:31.000 I can get you ready for it, I think.

01:59:33.000 I don't know.

01:59:34.000 A book of cloud says, from Chicken City, we salute you, oh great and powerful chicken overlord Tim.

01:59:39.000 That's right, Chicken City.

01:59:41.000 We've got over 7,000 subs on Chicken City.

01:59:44.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:44.000 That's fast.

01:59:45.000 Fast-growing show.

01:59:46.000 When did you start this one?

01:59:48.000 This week?

01:59:48.000 This weekend, yeah.

01:59:50.000 Well, they are entertaining.

01:59:51.000 Oh, it's great.

01:59:52.000 The drama.

01:59:53.000 There is some drama in there.

01:59:54.000 I was watching.

01:59:55.000 I was watching and, you know, they're calm for a little while and then somebody does something to somebody and there's a squabble, right?

02:00:01.000 It's like they're all fighting.

02:00:03.000 Chicken fighting.

02:00:04.000 Peck and order.

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 Peck and order, man.

02:00:06.000 We have a night vision of all the chickens sleeping.

02:00:09.000 That's right.

02:00:10.000 Chicken City has night vision, though.

02:00:11.000 Yeah, they're all sleeping in their little... So cute.

02:00:14.000 Oh my gosh, they are.

02:00:15.000 They're cute backwards.

02:00:16.000 Adorable.

02:00:17.000 They're not supposed to be sleeping up there.

02:00:18.000 We built them fancy chicken houses.

02:00:20.000 That's awesome!

02:00:21.000 But they chose to go there instead because they are not smart and they don't know that they have nicer spots to go.

02:00:28.000 Well, what we were supposed to do is actually put them in the chicken house every night and like close it until they learn that they actually have a proper chicken nesting thing we built that goes really high.

02:00:40.000 But they're chickens, so... You know.

02:00:42.000 Dude, shoutout to Orion Galaxy and Ham Sandvich in the Chicken City chat.

02:00:46.000 Woohoo! 1.00

02:00:47.000 That's right.

02:00:47.000 Go subscribe to Chicken City.

02:00:49.000 Alright, we'll just get this one more.

02:00:51.000 Cornelius Buttknuckle says, Tim is right, most degrees are pointless.

02:00:54.000 I've recently used the knowledge I've picked up as a machinist of 10 years to design and make a jet engine that burns.

02:01:00.000 Used isopropyl to propel a Pontiac Bonneville up to 50 miles an hour.

02:01:04.000 Never went to college for machining or engineering.

02:01:06.000 That sounds amazing.

02:01:07.000 Cool.

02:01:07.000 But are you getting a job?

02:01:09.000 Yeah, you could build one in your garage and stuff, but are you actually going to be employed by a company that is going to ask you to actually engineer that and put that into a piece of machinery that somebody's going to risk their life driving in?

02:01:24.000 Well, if you're looking for a job about making an alcohol-powered Bonneville, you're probably going to get hired more like Mythbusters or a sci-fi special effects or industry.

02:01:35.000 I don't think he's going to go work for Pontiac.

02:01:38.000 Well, but also I think just the skills he developed as a mechanic might help him in other careers he might pursue related to automobiles, not necessarily that he is going to be doing that exact thing for a living.

02:01:51.000 Alright my friends, if you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends if you really do like it because it's the most powerful thing you can do.

02:01:59.000 We're not gonna put up billboards or anything, or I don't know, maybe we should.

02:02:02.000 You know, just do what CNN does, put billboards everywhere, I guess.

02:02:04.000 But also, search for Chicken City on YouTube and subscribe, and you can watch chickens.

02:02:10.000 But guess what?

02:02:11.000 Periodically, I yell and scream outside the window, and you'll hear me yelling at chickens.

02:02:15.000 I heard you yelling earlier at the chickens.

02:02:16.000 Yeah, I've done it several times, it's funny.

02:02:18.000 And then you're like, when I yell at Roberto, and then I watch the stream and I see him like, like perks up, like what?

02:02:23.000 Who's yelling?

02:02:24.000 So check out Chicken City.

02:02:26.000 In order to get, so here's our plan.

02:02:28.000 We're going to make it so that if you super chat a certain amount, or a certain amount of super chat is reached, treats come down.

02:02:35.000 In order to get there, we need to be monetized.

02:02:37.000 Unless we use Streamlabs, which maybe we'll do, because it's probably got a better API anyway.

02:02:42.000 So the issue there is, for some reason, I guess live streams don't count toward public viewer hours, so it's hard to get monetized.

02:02:47.000 We'll figure it out.

02:02:48.000 But also, go to TimCast.com, be a member.

02:02:49.000 We're going to have that member segment coming up for you at 11.

02:02:51.000 You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.

02:02:53.000 You can follow me at TimCast.

02:02:54.000 Do you want to shout anything out, Kim?

02:02:57.000 Shout out, hey?

02:02:57.000 What's your Twitter handle?

02:02:59.000 What's your YouTube channel?

02:03:00.000 Oh, gosh.

02:03:01.000 You can find me on Twitter at Kim Iverson Show or YouTube.

02:03:04.000 Just go to KimIversonshow.com and you'll find it.

02:03:07.000 And that's spelled with an E. Or O if you spell it either way.

02:03:11.000 I have all of the... Very smart.

02:03:13.000 Nice.

02:03:13.000 That way you can't get confused.

02:03:14.000 Nice.

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 Yeah, you can find my work at Freedom Tunes.

02:03:18.000 We release a new educational cartoon or piece of political satire every single week on Thursdays, sometimes one on Tuesdays.

02:03:25.000 So we actually released two videos this week.

02:03:27.000 The one on Tuesday was satirical.

02:03:28.000 The one we released today was educational.

02:03:29.000 I think you guys will really enjoy it if you go there and check it out.

02:03:32.000 Ian Crossland, iancrossland.net.

02:03:34.000 I mentioned at the beginning of the show that I'll say it again.

02:03:35.000 We're looking for an open source UX, UI designer.

02:03:38.000 If you want to get in touch with me on Twitter or on Mines, just message me and let me know.

02:03:42.000 We're working with our charity that we're starting up building decentralized social media software.

02:03:46.000 If you're not familiar with it, I'll tell you more about it later.

02:03:48.000 See you later.

02:03:49.000 Cool beans.

02:03:50.000 As far as Chicken City is concerned, someone earlier today tweeted me a picture of their cat watching Chicken City Radley.

02:03:57.000 I thought that was adorable.

02:03:58.000 If it's nothing but a cat watching channel, I think that's fantastic.

02:04:01.000 So let's get it going.

02:04:01.000 Go over there and subscribe.

02:04:03.000 Cool stuff going on over there.

02:04:04.000 You guys may follow me on Twitter and at Mines.com at Sour Patch Letts.

02:04:09.000 That's right.

02:04:10.000 I'm just watching Chicken City.

02:04:11.000 It's engrossing.

02:04:12.000 I'm afraid if they're gonna do the feeding thing that they're gonna get really fat.

02:04:15.000 No, it'll only be able to operate like five times per day.

02:04:18.000 Okay.

02:04:18.000 So it'll be a limited amount of treats.

02:04:20.000 Yeah.

02:04:21.000 And we have a lot of chickens.

02:04:22.000 We're about to have 56 more babies.

02:04:23.000 Gosh.

02:04:26.000 We're not all we're not gonna put them all in we might actually just give them some of the babies away to people Who might want them?

02:04:32.000 So we'll make maybe if like a members only thing Yeah, like if you're a member you can like sign up like I would like a baby chick And then we'll like put a little box with you know that one this one chickens sleeping standing up.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, that's Roberto jr Wow, he's a beast.

02:04:44.000 That's right. 0.67

02:04:45.000 All right, everybody.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - March 11, 2022

Timcast IRL - Jussie Smollett Is GOING TO JAIL, Screams He's Innocent After Sentencing w-Kim Iversen

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