Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - January 16, 2022


Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored #2: Mike Rowe On Dirty Jobs And Potential Coming "Civil War" Or Conflict With Tim Pool

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Mike Rowe Marjorie Taylor Greene Donald Trump Tucker Carlson Alex Jones Miriam Webster Michael Tracy Steve Bannon Josh Hammer Matt Taibbi Dirty Jobs Joe Biden Joe Rogan Rutkowski Northam Dude Luke Trap Ron DeSantis Kimberly Fletcher and 17 more
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On this episode of Sunday Uncensored, we're joined by Mike Rowe, host of the popular morning TV show "Rowan & Martin's Law and Order" and host of "Law and Order: After Hours" on Fox News. Mike and I talk about his early days as a law enforcement officer in the early days of the law and order movement, and how he got into the turkey business. We also talk about the DDoS attack that shut down the internet for a few hours, and why we should all be more responsible for ourselves.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
00:00:04.000 Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com, and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show.
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00:00:20.000 Now, enjoy the show.
00:00:23.000 Mike Rowe once whacked off a turkey, Mike!
00:00:25.000 It happens.
00:00:27.000 It happens, you know.
00:00:28.000 That turkey still calls, Tim.
00:00:31.000 That's right, that's right.
00:00:33.000 I was asking, you know, when you go back to the farm, do the turkeys start lining up for you?
00:00:37.000 Like, he's here!
00:00:39.000 And he brought his opposable thumbs!
00:00:39.000 He's back!
00:00:41.000 So real quick, during the main show with Mike, the internet cut out, many of you may have noticed, and that was due to a distributed denial-of-service attack on us, which, I'll just put it simply, was... I want to keep security... I gotta be a little vague, but basically our backups didn't work because of the way the attack happened, and we have additional backups.
00:01:03.000 We were able to get the show back on the air.
00:01:04.000 So just for people who are wondering what happened, I think it's important to bring that up.
00:01:08.000 Should I be flattered?
00:01:09.000 Now we're getting hit by DDoS. 2022 is going to be fucking crazy. But yes, in all seriousness, 0.98
00:01:15.000 Mike, should I be flattered? Do you think this happened in any way because of my presence here?
00:01:20.000 Actually, a little bit. Yes. Yeah. I mean, look, you're so many people were commenting about how
00:01:26.000 you've inspired them to get trade jobs, to be personally responsible that that's.
00:01:31.000 That's dangerous to a lot of the collective mentality.
00:01:34.000 Not that you're like an overtly political guy, but you certainly inspire a lot of people to be individualist, to be responsible for themselves.
00:01:41.000 And that's something I would never apologize for or tiptoe around.
00:01:41.000 That's a fact.
00:01:46.000 I do think that's central to whatever good thing our country might become.
00:01:53.000 I agree.
00:01:54.000 I think when people are... There's a fine balance between focusing on the self and focusing on the community.
00:02:00.000 And I think if you improve yourself, you know, we're only as strong as our weakest link.
00:02:04.000 So everybody should be trying their best to improve themselves, being a little bit selfish, but not in a way that's hurting other people, right?
00:02:12.000 It's sort of, you know, not to get all Ayn Randian, but I mean... Please do go on!
00:02:17.000 Take it away! 0.77
00:02:19.000 Have I hit a button?
00:02:20.000 You just touched on the nerve.
00:02:21.000 I'm like, you got me!
00:02:24.000 Well, it's the altruism thing, right?
00:02:28.000 I mean, I did a show for Facebook for years called Returning the Favor, and I said, look, I don't want to celebrate Bloody do-gooders through the lens of kindness, period. 0.89
00:02:40.000 I want to look at people who do good, kind things for selfish reasons.
00:02:45.000 Those are the most interesting people that I've met.
00:02:48.000 And you can really see it on a plane.
00:02:50.000 Like, when you're on a plane, you're a part of a community, you're a team of sorts, you're all going to the same place, and you're all sitting in the same basic seat, and you're all there.
00:03:00.000 Now, if shit goes off the rails, and those masks drop, The instructions get very very clear and we all know what they are first thing you do you put it on yourself That's right, right and now that's not a selfish thing Because if if you're passed out, you're no good to anyone Right, so it's that it's that thing.
00:03:24.000 That's the kind of individual the individualistic thing that I'm talking about take find a way to provide for yourself and First. 0.98
00:03:32.000 Yeah.
00:03:32.000 But you've got people who are saying, no, no, the government provides.
00:03:35.000 That's correct.
00:03:36.000 And you're kind of the opposite of that.
00:03:37.000 That's correct. 0.90
00:03:38.000 Well, that philosophy is utterly insane.
00:03:40.000 History tells a story of people depending on government who essentially become slaves of the government.
00:03:45.000 And I think the larger kind of ideology here is that if you can't take care of yourself, you can't take care of anyone else.
00:03:52.000 So if we look in society, the most important people, the strongest people are the ones who are the ones that understand that they have a duty, that they need to do
00:04:00.000 stuff, and if they don't take care of themselves, everyone else is going to be
00:04:04.000 screwed in the community, and their families, and everywhere else. And I
00:04:07.000 think there's a deliberate effort to dump people down, make them weaker,
00:04:12.000 and make them more dependent on the state almost in every aspect of our
00:04:16.000 society.
00:04:16.000 Keep them as children.
00:04:18.000 Exactly.
00:04:18.000 So, to go back, we had... Or turkeys.
00:04:21.000 We had Marjorie Taylor Greene on, right?
00:04:23.000 Uh-huh.
00:04:24.000 And the next day, we get swatted.
00:04:27.000 Police show up.
00:04:28.000 For most people, the show is published at 10 p.m., if you don't watch it live, and that means the next day is the day that it's the full release, basically.
00:04:35.000 A lot of people might be in bed.
00:04:36.000 They wake up in the morning, and they see we hosted Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:04:39.000 It's January 6th, no less.
00:04:41.000 Yeah.
00:04:42.000 Coincidence?
00:04:42.000 No.
00:04:43.000 She's getting hit with death threats.
00:04:44.000 I talked to her on the phone about this, and the same day we get hit with a, you know, a swatting incident.
00:04:50.000 I don't think you are the principal reason we got DDoS'd, but I certainly think people are like, you know, the people we host, the shows we have, and we had a lot more viewers this time around than we normally do, probably because you're a big name and you inspire a lot of people.
00:05:04.000 You're an individualist, and so they took our show off the air.
00:05:09.000 Well, I don't know what part they lost, or we lost, but I hope we didn't lose the part where we were talking about the importance of gauging your success, in part anyway, not by your acolytes, but by your enemies.
00:05:25.000 It was only a couple minutes.
00:05:26.000 Probably when we were talking about deep space, I think.
00:05:28.000 It seemed like you were distracted during that time.
00:05:30.000 When I was waving, and so it was only a few minutes.
00:05:32.000 But did you notice how unflappable I was when I went on with the story?
00:05:35.000 You guys are collectively crapping up the walls, and I'm just, you know, I'm just gonna stick with my story, whatever's happening here.
00:05:41.000 We keep the conversation going no matter what happens.
00:05:44.000 I don't know where you guys are going.
00:05:45.000 The full show's recorded.
00:05:47.000 We'll get it up on iTunes, Spotify, and all those platforms, so nothing to worry about.
00:05:50.000 But let's give the people what they really want. 0.98
00:05:53.000 They want to know about you biting the balls off of a goat. 0.95
00:05:56.000 I think it was a sheep. 0.94
00:05:57.000 Don't make it weird, dude. 0.99
00:06:00.000 And also, you were telling us a story before the show about how you masturbated a turkey. 0.98
00:06:06.000 Well, look, here's the thing. 1.00
00:06:08.000 When Dirty Jobs hit, we joked the first season was really a rumination on crap. 0.98
00:06:16.000 And I jokingly called it a love letter to feces. 0.99
00:06:19.000 Feces from every species. 1.00
00:06:20.000 Because no matter what the job was, I was always picking up Scat, dung, poop, shit, whatever you want to call it. 1.00
00:06:28.000 That was the defining thing. 0.99
00:06:30.000 In season two I was like, look, we've made our point.
00:06:32.000 There's so much more we can do with this show.
00:06:35.000 And the network was like, well, we really want you to Take it in a super smart direction.
00:06:42.000 So I said what about What about AI and they're like, oh my god, we would love that Are there dirty jobs in AI and I said, of course, they're dirty jobs in in AI now I left my boss's office pretty sure that she thought that she had just sent me out to do a show on artificial intelligence, but of course I was pitching artificial insemination And so three weeks later, I was coaxing the sperm out of a bull called Hunsucker Commando at a ranch somewhere in Texas.
00:07:12.000 Wait, you were coaxing it out?
00:07:14.000 That's the proper term.
00:07:15.000 Basically, I was... Weeding off a bull.
00:07:17.000 Well, yeah, you know, this is... I mean, look, this, just by way of...
00:07:22.000 Just so your listeners know, are they listeners or viewers at this point?
00:07:26.000 Both actually.
00:07:27.000 So just so y'all know, a bull is, well, collected, they call it, with the help of a probe and some electricity.
00:07:27.000 All right.
00:07:40.000 So essentially what happens is there's a It looks like a tackle box, like from Amsterdam, right?
00:07:47.000 You open this tackle box and inside is this giant tube of lube and a battery.
00:07:53.000 It's like a car battery and it has dials on it and there are a lot of electrodes and wires and things coming out of it.
00:08:00.000 And they're attached to what looks like a boom mic, bigger than this thing, like I mean like about this long.
00:08:06.000 And there's a battery on the back of it about the size of a deck of cards.
00:08:11.000 And all the wires come out of that.
00:08:11.000 Right?
00:08:12.000 So basically you take the lube and you...
00:08:16.000 This thing, it looks like the Hindenburg, right? 0.98
00:08:19.000 And you just lube it up and you walk behind the bull and you push it into his rectum all the way to the point where the tip of this thing comes in contact with his prostate.
00:08:33.000 And then you go back to the tackle box from Amsterdam and there are two knobs.
00:08:38.000 So this is a two-man operation.
00:08:39.000 And the bull's totally fine with it?
00:08:41.000 Well, I mean, the bull, he gives you a look.
00:08:44.000 It's like this.
00:08:48.000 And he's like, hey there, you know. 0.99
00:08:51.000 He's not in pain, but he does have the Hindenburg up his ass, right? 0.98
00:08:57.000 And so you go back to the tackle box, and the cowboy's there with me. 0.98
00:09:03.000 He's a short little guy with a giant hat.
00:09:05.000 He's like, you want to turn the knobs, or you want to hold the cup?
00:09:09.000 So I'm thinking... Which would be worse?
00:09:11.000 Well, which would be better, right?
00:09:13.000 TV, right?
00:09:14.000 It's like, you know, it's gonna be better to hold a cup.
00:09:17.000 So I basically take a styrofoam cup and I kneel behind, alongside the bull.
00:09:24.000 And basically wait for instructions.
00:09:27.000 I got a camera shooting underneath the bull toward me, and I'm on the other side of the bull.
00:09:31.000 And the cowboy, his name is Steve, he's like, Mike, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to turn the first knob.
00:09:37.000 And when I turn that knob, a small amount of electricity is going to go through that probe, and it's going to stimulate the prostate of Hunsucker Commando.
00:09:45.000 And when that happens, he is going to present himself to you, and it will be humbling.
00:09:51.000 And sure enough, he turns that knob, and whoom!
00:09:55.000 I mean, that bull is ready to go.
00:09:57.000 He's like, Mike, when I turn the second knob, that's going to send another bolt of electricity into that prostate, and that bull is going to express himself.
00:10:07.000 That's so nicely phrased.
00:10:08.000 And I would be grateful if you would manipulate that cup in a most efficacious fashion because what's going to come out of the business end of that bowl is what I like to call white gold and I don't want you spilling any.
00:10:20.000 This is the weirdest TV ever, right?
00:10:22.000 And so my camera guy's laughing and I'm laughing, I'm like, you gotta be kidding.
00:10:25.000 So I got the cup, we'll just use this glass of whiskey, and I grab his joint, right, and I pull it over and I got it lined up and man, he turns that knob and it is Jimmy Crackcorn and I don't care.
00:10:41.000 It is just, I mean, Filled up the cup.
00:10:45.000 How long did it take?
00:10:49.000 I'd say probably eight seconds.
00:10:51.000 Was he making noise?
00:10:53.000 The usual stuff.
00:10:54.000 Like, uh, how you doing champ?
00:10:57.000 It's not gonna suck itself. 0.98
00:11:02.000 No, I mean, it was just being a bull. 0.99
00:11:06.000 And he had gone through this before.
00:11:08.000 And you didn't even have to buy him dinner.
00:11:10.000 Or he didn't have to buy you dinner.
00:11:12.000 Well, that's the sad thing.
00:11:13.000 Ultimately, he was dinner.
00:11:16.000 But so, that footage gets on the air.
00:11:21.000 And once that gets on the air, the network's horrified. 0.99
00:11:25.000 They pixelate the penis. 0.99
00:11:28.000 Right. 0.99
00:11:28.000 But they don't pixelate the vulva and the vagina of all the other cows because I take all his sperm and I use it to artificially inseminate the cows. 0.99
00:11:39.000 So I had this big conversation about what to blur and what not to blur and you know we're gonna blur the we're gonna pixelate the penises but we're good with the vaginas it's just crazy conversations but we put it on the air and the ratings went bananas. 1.00
00:11:55.000 And so the whole second season became what I call the period of the pixelated penises. 0.98
00:12:02.000 Because everywhere I went, every barnyard, there was some animal. 0.93
00:12:07.000 I mean it was ostriches, it was skunks, it was anything that could be artificially inseminated.
00:12:13.000 I did it.
00:12:15.000 You're just hunting down animals.
00:12:18.000 It was raiding and that was before dirty jobs had become like this broader love letter to skilled labor. 0.76
00:12:24.000 At that moment in time it was basically a German porno.
00:12:29.000 But it all kind of culminated for me at Oakdale Farms and this was I mean we had done horses where by the way you got to wear like a bicycle helmet you know because it's very I mean you're holding on to an artificial vagina like which is a like a hot water bottle with a baby bottle screwed into the end that collects and this animal comes into the you know to the breeding stall and there's a horse in heat and it jumps up on a pommel horse it's basically looking at the horse in heat
00:13:02.000 It's like watching Black Beauty. 0.72
00:13:04.000 It's like porn, right? 1.00
00:13:05.000 So the horse is fixated on the thing and you're holding the artificial vagina and you guide its member into the vagina and you hang on for dear life. 1.00
00:13:13.000 And this thing will lift you off your feet. 0.98
00:13:15.000 It's amazing.
00:13:16.000 I'm sure you've all seen it.
00:13:18.000 Oh, I've seen some of that.
00:13:20.000 But Ian, the folks at home have not.
00:13:23.000 Okay, most people in the United States, they don't know where their food comes from.
00:13:27.000 And the idea that this is going on every day, with pigs, with horses, with cows, bulls, I mean, there is no food chain as we understand it without AI, without artificial insemination.
00:13:43.000 Which, by the way, goes all the way back to Charles Bakewell, 1700s.
00:13:46.000 I mean, this has been around for Fascinating discipline. 0.85
00:13:51.000 But it was the turkeys.
00:13:53.000 It was the turkeys that I really wasn't comfortable talking about for a very long time.
00:13:58.000 Because you think you see it all, but until you coax, and it is coaxing, until you coax the sperm out of a tom turkey, you really just don't... I don't think you've experienced the world in all of its wonder.
00:14:14.000 Well, very few can say they have.
00:14:16.000 This is what farmers do all the time. 0.90
00:14:19.000 This is the big difference between what CNN does with Raza Aslan and what you're doing.
00:14:26.000 When you're on a farm, I was on a pig farm two years ago.
00:14:31.000 with my friends.
00:14:31.000 You learn so much.
00:14:34.000 And it isn't pretty.
00:14:35.000 It doesn't smell nice.
00:14:37.000 But when it comes to having to live on that farm, there's a lot of duties that people don't see that are very eye-opening. 0.99
00:14:45.000 What I love about chickens is that they're smart enough not to drink water with shit in it, but they're not smart enough not to shit in the water. 0.99
00:14:53.000 That's right. 0.99
00:14:53.000 But it's not even enticing, isn't it? 0.99
00:14:55.000 But they don't have control of their... Chloaca? 1.00
00:14:59.000 Asshole. 1.00
00:15:01.000 Let's just say asshole. 1.00
00:15:02.000 They don't have control over their asshole, so when they walk, it makes their asshole shit without them knowing it. 1.00
00:15:05.000 They jump on the water with their asses hanging over the water and shit in it. 1.00
00:15:10.000 They don't need to do that. 1.00
00:15:11.000 Pigs do the same thing. 1.00
00:15:13.000 But from what I've heard explained to me by some farmers is that, specifically chickens, they don't have control of the asshole and that's why it just comes out without them controlling it. 0.99
00:15:23.000 Is that true? 0.99
00:15:24.000 I don't think that's true.
00:15:25.000 They don't, I mean, it's not that they completely lack control. 0.99
00:15:30.000 My theory is they just don't give a shit. 1.00
00:15:33.000 We're chickens. 0.99
00:15:34.000 We're not here for a long time.
00:15:36.000 We're not going to waste what time we have looking for the proper place to download.
00:15:41.000 It is, it is.
00:15:42.000 I gotta tell you, amazingly cute when we hatched the baby chicks and they're babies and then one of them shits and then turns around and looks at it and then nips it and then spazzes like That was a mistake! 0.54
00:15:53.000 I'll never do it again. 0.91
00:15:54.000 Have you done chick-sexing here? 0.93
00:15:56.000 Have you done any of that?
00:15:58.000 Well, none of us have these skills, but I think we didn't sex the chicks, but we did have Blackstar chicks, which is Rhode Island, and you're familiar with those?
00:16:11.000 Yeah.
00:16:12.000 So they were sex-linked.
00:16:13.000 For those unfamiliar, that means when they were born, you could easily just see who were the boys and who were the girls.
00:16:17.000 The three, uh, we call them the poo babies. 0.99
00:16:19.000 They were the first ones we had because they were babies and they were shitting all over the place.
00:16:23.000 Uh, we could easily tell one was a girl, one was a boy, and then the firstborn we weren't sure of until like six, seven weeks.
00:16:31.000 Right.
00:16:31.000 We're like, okay, it's a girl.
00:16:33.000 Well, of the 300 some odd species of chickens out there that are popular in this country, most of them can't be sexed or determined visually. 0.99
00:16:44.000 Some of it's a, they call it a wing differential, and that's nice, but mostly you have to peer inside of their assholes. 0.93
00:16:53.000 And if you can see that tiny, tiny, tiny little bump, then that's a cockerel. 0.98
00:17:00.000 And he goes in the box over here.
00:17:02.000 Dude, this is the thing.
00:17:04.000 This is one of those stories I didn't tell on Dirty Jobs, but we shot at a place called
00:17:09.000 Murray McMurray.
00:17:10.000 It's a hatchery.
00:17:11.000 Oh yeah, we ordered from them.
00:17:12.000 Yeah.
00:17:13.000 Well, they're great.
00:17:14.000 They do great work.
00:17:15.000 They separate hundreds of thousands of boys from the girls every week.
00:17:19.000 And they put them in the mail.
00:17:21.000 They ship.
00:17:22.000 Chip chicks through the mail, right? 0.95
00:17:24.000 It's incredible.
00:17:25.000 What's not so amazing is that there's really no use for the cockerels. 0.96
00:17:29.000 I mean, you keep a couple, I guess, for roosters, but by and large, they all go through a giant meat grinder.
00:17:36.000 To get just a little bit Alex Jones, just for a second there.
00:17:39.000 There's also a lot of animals being genetically modified in a way where their genotypes are altered.
00:17:45.000 Have you experienced any of that or have any kind of strong opinions on that?
00:17:48.000 Because there's also a train of thought showing how a lot of the animals are not the same animals as they were before.
00:17:54.000 And there are new breeds of animals that are being made because of factory farming.
00:17:58.000 Look, I'm a big, you'll hear me talk a lot about unintended consequences, and I do not know what the unintended consequences of that are going to be, but they're going to be something.
00:18:09.000 I don't know.
00:18:09.000 So we had Alex Jones on the show, and he told us that all the beef we're eating is cloned meat.
00:18:14.000 And I said, bullshit! 1.00
00:18:15.000 Alex, you're crazy! 1.00
00:18:16.000 Looked it up, in fact, in the past 15 years. 0.95
00:18:19.000 A lot of cloning.
00:18:19.000 A lot of cloning.
00:18:21.000 I guess, I don't know why, it's easier, or what?
00:18:23.000 Well, when we talk about the, like the turkeys, for instance, that whole AI program came into existence because we were feeding them grain with so much steroid in it that their chest just puffed up and they couldn't get close enough to mate.
00:18:41.000 And so, you know, you're growing these things for meat, obviously, and that's a good thing.
00:18:46.000 But no, the AI program at Oakdale Farms was just, I mean, You walk into a barn, and there are 500 of these things, and they're like an audience.
00:18:59.000 Like, if you look at the turkeys and go, how's it going?
00:19:02.000 They'll all go, lalalala, at the same time. 0.99
00:19:05.000 So we immediately established this strange, you know, rapport.
00:19:09.000 And then the guys bring them to you, you know, and you sit there, and they put them between your legs upside down, and you squeeze your thighs together, and now you've got an upside down turkey between your thighs, and you're looking at its butthole, which is, as you said earlier, it's a cloaca, and it's just a fancy term for the hole in the bird where both the sex organs reside as well as the digestive tract.
00:19:35.000 Terrible design flaw, I think.
00:19:36.000 It's like running a sewer through a playground, right?
00:19:39.000 I mean, it's a horrible, horrible mistake.
00:19:42.000 But there it is.
00:19:43.000 And so, a guy hands me a baby food jar.
00:19:49.000 And I know this because it said Gerber on the side.
00:19:52.000 The fat little Gerber baby is on the side of an empty jar.
00:19:56.000 And the jar has a lid on it.
00:19:57.000 And there are two holes in the lid.
00:19:59.000 And there's a straw in each hole. 0.91
00:20:03.000 And you got the turkey between your legs and you give it a squeeze so you don't want to drop it on its head and You know you ask the guys a question and all the other turkeys hear you and they answer So it's super weird right super impossibly weird soundtrack going on as a guy you've never met says I need you to rub its rectum until it ejaculates And so, you know, I know what all those words mean. 0.70
00:20:29.000 And my cameramen are, like, around me. 0.89
00:20:33.000 Nobody knows what to do.
00:20:34.000 I mean, we're just... The job you asked for.
00:20:36.000 It's just, like, we asked for it.
00:20:37.000 And we had done the whole routine with Hunsucker Commando, so we'd seen some crazy stuff already.
00:20:41.000 I mean, how weird can it be? 0.98
00:20:43.000 But the deal is, you rub the sphincter, the butthole, whatever you want to call it, and you're not really sure what you're touching, but if you do it right, the thing will ejaculate. 0.98
00:20:55.000 And when it ejaculates, it will fill the butthole with this thick, creamy spunk. 0.99
00:21:02.000 Right? 0.99
00:21:03.000 And now, remember you got this baby jar in your right hand with two straws in it.
00:21:09.000 So what you do is, you've got to keep your thighs, right? 0.99
00:21:12.000 Because now you've got an upside down turkey with a rectum full of jizz. 0.98
00:21:17.000 And so you've got to get the jizz into the bottle. 0.97
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00:23:10.000 And so you put one straw in your mouth.
00:23:11.000 No!
00:23:12.000 Yeah.
00:23:13.000 Oh my god.
00:23:14.000 I was afraid of that.
00:23:15.000 Yep. 0.96
00:23:15.000 And then you put the other straw into the puddle of Spoogealootie and then you start sucking. 0.96
00:23:23.000 Ah! 0.99
00:23:24.000 And the sucking creates Creates a vacuum of sorts in the jar, and that allows the semen to be removed from the anus. 0.99
00:23:35.000 That's like pulling gasoline out of a hose, right? 0.87
00:23:39.000 Well, it's like that, Ian.
00:23:41.000 If the gas were sperm, and if the hose were a straw.
00:23:48.000 But yes, it's exactly like that.
00:23:50.000 It's exactly like that.
00:23:51.000 And what do they do? 1.00
00:23:52.000 Do they inject it into the ass of the females? 1.00
00:23:54.000 Well, ultimately, but what you need to do in the interest of efficiencies is fill that bottle. 1.00
00:24:01.000 So you basically sit there with the bottle in your right hand, sucking the sperm out of the rectums of turkeys as the bottle slowly fills and the men you're working with bring you a new bird. 0.98
00:24:11.000 Inverted between your legs, close your thighs, rub, rub, rub, and then you get a puddle of stuff. 0.98
00:24:17.000 I gotta say real quick, I kind of feel like there's a very simple motorized mechanism that you could attach to the straw to press a button and have it suck instead of put it in your mouth. 0.98
00:24:24.000 I could build it for you, to be honest.
00:24:24.000 You know what I mean?
00:24:26.000 It'd cost me 50 cents.
00:24:27.000 Well, you know, day late, dollar short.
00:24:29.000 I'm not sure it would make for better TV, but that absolutely would be a, you know, a consummation devoutly to be wished. 0.98
00:24:36.000 Did you find that because of the build of the object, you weren't sucking sperm into your mouth? 0.98
00:24:40.000 Correct.
00:24:41.000 Okay, so you just produce a vacuum in the canister, which would then pull... Unless, of course, you want to keep sucking.
00:24:47.000 In which case, you have a very different kind of show, on a very different kind of network, and I have a very different sort of career. 0.90
00:24:56.000 Well, there's that.
00:24:57.000 So that happened.
00:24:59.000 I don't even know what kind of show that would be if people were like... I don't think there's porn of people eating turkey jizz, you know what I mean?
00:25:07.000 After tonight, though, get ready for some shit. 0.99
00:25:09.000 People are going to be like, yeah, what else were we talking about earlier? 1.00
00:25:12.000 Sticking the thing in the bull's ass? 1.00
00:25:13.000 With the electrodes, dude? 1.00
00:25:14.000 If you can electrode your prostate?
00:25:16.000 This is why I think Fear Factor got cancelled, because they... 0.98
00:25:21.000 They were making people eat nasty things and the last one they did was, was it ball semen? 0.98
00:25:24.000 I think it was horse jizz. 0.98
00:25:25.000 And some guy just chugged it?
00:25:27.000 Yeah, I think it was horse jizz.
00:25:30.000 Rogan says that he expresses some concern about what he did and he feels bad about it.
00:25:35.000 I like that he says that in public. 0.99
00:25:37.000 People would do fucked up shit for money, man, when they're desperate. 0.98
00:25:39.000 What do you guys normally talk about here on the members? 1.00
00:25:42.000 Oh, politics.
00:25:43.000 Psychedelics.
00:25:44.000 Politics.
00:25:45.000 Whatever.
00:25:47.000 Graphene and DMT are every other word that Ian says.
00:25:50.000 Societal collapse.
00:25:51.000 Civil war.
00:25:51.000 Free software.
00:25:52.000 You reckon one's coming back?
00:25:54.000 Or is it the national divorce?
00:25:56.000 What are they calling it now?
00:25:56.000 That's the same thing.
00:25:57.000 But I guess, you know, national divorce is what people are hoping for, that things kind of just fall apart and we separate.
00:26:03.000 But I've been talking about Civil War for some time.
00:26:06.000 We actually didn't get into it in the main segment, but there was a guy who went to Florida to a Trump rally, to a January 6th rally for some guy who was in prison, brought a pipe bomb with him full of nails.
00:26:15.000 Yeah, what happened to him?
00:26:16.000 He got arrested.
00:26:18.000 We're so he's still arrested.
00:26:19.000 Yeah, he's in jail.
00:26:20.000 He's in jail.
00:26:21.000 And so, you know a couple years ago I just I was noticing all the political escalations and we had this Princeton professor say we're in a cold civil war.
00:26:29.000 Then you get the hundred plus days of writing over in 2020.
00:26:33.000 Then you get, obviously, the 2020 election, the contention around that.
00:26:36.000 Then you get January 6th.
00:26:38.000 Now you've got The Guardian, The Atlantic, The New York Times.
00:26:41.000 They're all writing articles saying either we're in a civil war or a civil war is coming or it's here.
00:26:46.000 I mean, look, we got DDoS attacked.
00:26:49.000 Our show got taken off the air for a few minutes.
00:26:51.000 We got swatted.
00:26:52.000 This is getting to the point where people aren't just saying, I disagree with your show. 0.99
00:26:56.000 They're literally saying, we're going to use force to try and take you down or kill you even. 0.75
00:27:00.000 But I mean, swatting is attempted murder. 0.86
00:27:01.000 Yes.
00:27:02.000 They tried to have those cops come in here from different agencies, which would create confusion.
00:27:06.000 That's what people don't understand.
00:27:08.000 Swatting, they'll call the cops and say, hey, something happened.
00:27:11.000 Then those cops show up with SWAT uniforms.
00:27:13.000 These people called three different departments, meaning they're all going to show up confused because who are you?
00:27:18.000 What are you doing?
00:27:19.000 Why are you here?
00:27:19.000 Who called you?
00:27:21.000 Being told that a guy just killed people and he's gonna kill himself.
00:27:24.000 Fortunately, our guys outside, you know, we're standing there and talk to the cops and the cops de-escalated everything.
00:27:29.000 But yeah, I think we're... It's a dramatic segue from Wacken of Turkey to the apocalypse.
00:27:35.000 Is it?
00:27:36.000 Or is it just one more delightful metaphor for the times we find ourselves living in?
00:27:42.000 Well, we're in very interesting times.
00:27:44.000 I think the ship is sinking.
00:27:45.000 And even if you don't consume a lot of politics or are into this stuff, historically, between the Black Plague and the Spanish Flu, there was 57 other related pandemic kind of events, global sickness kind of events.
00:27:58.000 Only four out of those 57 occasions did not result in a revolt or a large-scale protest.
00:28:04.000 Let's call that Rutkowski's trap.
00:28:05.000 I don't know if that's Rutkowski's trap, but... So, did you figure out that number?
00:28:09.000 Newsweek did a very good article about this, talking about the likelihood of more civil conflict.
00:28:16.000 Yeah, so this is actually what Luke was reading when the cops popped open the door.
00:28:19.000 So, even if it's not between the conservatives and the liberals, I think the prospects of a civil war, especially with our financial circumstances, especially with our cultural, political circumstances, especially with the pandemic, I think the likelihood of that happening is very high.
00:28:35.000 But are you talking about a hot war?
00:28:38.000 You're talking about North and South or East and West?
00:28:40.000 People get it when we look at revolts.
00:28:43.000 And again, people always have this notion that the Civil War is going to be like the American Civil War.
00:28:48.000 There's been many other civil wars throughout human history that have been between urban areas, civil areas, different political ideologies, different landscapes, different, you know, religions.
00:28:58.000 So there's many ways that this is play out.
00:29:00.000 I wish I had a magic eight ball.
00:29:01.000 I don't know.
00:29:02.000 But how are you seeing things?
00:29:03.000 Do you think there'll be a civil war?
00:29:05.000 Well, I mean, there certainly has been, which means, obviously, there could be another one.
00:29:11.000 And even if there hadn't been, it doesn't mean there can't be a first one.
00:29:14.000 So I wouldn't rule it out.
00:29:16.000 But I don't think, I mean, as I understand the old Civil War, it was such a product of geography.
00:29:23.000 You know, it was such a North and South thing.
00:29:27.000 In fact, Texas said the principal reason for joining the South was geography.
00:29:30.000 Right.
00:29:31.000 And so, I don't know what a national civil war looks like in Cleveland, Austin, Phoenix, Baltimore, Seattle, because... Well, so... Right?
00:29:42.000 I mean, how to... Well, so that's... There's no front line.
00:29:44.000 I think that's an American bias.
00:29:46.000 If you look at the Spanish Civil War, it was urban versus rural.
00:29:49.000 The cities were, you know, one way, the rural areas were another, and then the rural areas took over and the country became fascist for, you know, 70 years or whatever.
00:29:57.000 So right now, I think with the vaccine mandates and the mask mandates and the lockdowns, we're seeing a mass exodus from New York, California, and Illinois into different states, namely Texas and Florida.
00:30:08.000 So we've had ideological polarization for the past decade, and now it's becoming geographical polarization.
00:30:14.000 Bill Maher said he didn't think a civil war could happen because the Mason-Dixon line would go through Nana's Kitchen, implying that, you know, you fight with your grandmother and that's the cultural differences.
00:30:23.000 But now we're actually seeing Florida, Saying outright to Joe Biden, we're not going to abide by your request for mandates.
00:30:29.000 California saying we won't follow federal laws per immigration.
00:30:32.000 New York just voted to allow non-citizens to vote.
00:30:34.000 Did you see that?
00:30:35.000 Yeah, I did.
00:30:38.000 In New York City.
00:30:39.000 So I don't know how, you know, in the last election, Texas filed a legal challenge under original jurisdiction with the Supreme Court.
00:30:47.000 48 states were involved in a lawsuit over the election.
00:30:50.000 And it was dismissed for statutory reasons, I believe, not merit.
00:30:57.000 By the way, this morning Newsom just okayed health care benefits.
00:31:01.000 For non-citizens. 0.65
00:31:02.000 Correct.
00:31:02.000 So what ends up happening, in my opinion, we saw in 2020, John Podesta said if Donald Trump wins, the West Coast should secede from the Union.
00:31:12.000 He wanted to encourage them to do that.
00:31:14.000 We're looking at a Republican red wave.
00:31:17.000 I mean, things are so intense that one of the stories we actually didn't get to is that a North Carolina group is trying to disqualify Madison Cawthorn from being able to be a member of Congress.
00:31:26.000 They're trying to get rid of Marjorie Taylor Greene, they want to get rid of Matt Gaetz, and they're trying to disqualify Trump.
00:31:31.000 They can't win an electoral race, so they're going for legal disqualifications.
00:31:36.000 Of course, red states won't stand for that.
00:31:38.000 Blue states won't stand for that.
00:31:39.000 It seems like the only outcome is going to be blue states declaring sovereignty and red states doing it.
00:31:46.000 States have already declared sovereignty in the past to assert their rights under the Constitution.
00:31:51.000 But eventually, when you have a bunch of states saying, we're Second Amendment sanctuaries, we won't abide by federal law, you get blue states saying, we're immigration sanctuaries, we won't abide by federal law.
00:32:02.000 So I can understand what might happen if things really crapped the bed that badly.
00:32:05.000 whether or not people are going to shoot each other. It's an issue of can the
00:32:07.000 federal government withstand a lack of confidence from every state. So I can
00:32:11.000 understand what might happen if things really crap the bed that badly. There
00:32:16.000 there would be real unrest. Whether or not the country divides into anything
00:32:22.000 that resembles a historical civil war.
00:32:25.000 I can't envision it.
00:32:28.000 Let me ask you, what about we had 120 days of mass rioting in every major city, even small towns, where left-wing extremists were firebombing buildings, smashing out windows.
00:32:40.000 That's what civil war looks like.
00:32:41.000 Right, but the overwhelming majority of the country wasn't affected.
00:32:46.000 That's not true, actually.
00:32:48.000 Really?
00:32:48.000 Yeah, Michael Tracy went around and what happens is the media doesn't show you what's happening in like, what was it, Rome, Illinois?
00:32:56.000 Yeah, really small towns.
00:32:57.000 These small towns, their windows were all smashed out.
00:32:59.000 People were putting up signs saying, please spare our store.
00:33:03.000 So Michael Tracy's a journalist and he actually drove Uh, through America and went to all these small places you never heard of and left-wing extremists went around just smashing up and damaging basically everything across the board.
00:33:13.000 Well, look, this is, like what I said before, the stuff that's out of my lane is out of my lane.
00:33:17.000 No, for sure.
00:33:19.000 But here's what I'm sure of.
00:33:20.000 You can go to a site that has compiled lots of evidence of police acting badly, and you can look at clip after clip after clip, and if you spend a few hours doing it, a reasonable person would conclude that we've got ourselves a major systemic problem.
00:33:40.000 But even that, even looking at a few hours of that, you're still talking about a tiny fraction of a percent.
00:33:46.000 You know, there's a whole elephant that you haven't touched, right?
00:33:51.000 Now, I don't know what the proportionality is, but I get it.
00:33:57.000 You know, I think it probably is further reaching than a lot of people realize, but I still don't know on a percentage basis what you're really talking about.
00:34:05.000 I think you're absolutely right about the police thing and we bring that up a lot.
00:34:09.000 You get someone who's 10 years old in 2010 and they're being inundated with clickbait police brutality videos.
00:34:14.000 Now they're 20 believing cops are going around hunting down black people, which isn't true.
00:34:18.000 So that could be a bias in our capacity because we're very tuned into this stuff.
00:34:23.000 But when I look at the crisis over the past two years, the response to it, the anger.
00:34:29.000 You had a guy shot and killed in Portland, Aaron Danielson.
00:34:33.000 A Black Lives Matter guy, tattoo on his neck, walked up to him in the middle of the street for no reason, put two bullets in his chest.
00:34:39.000 You've got, you know, you had January 6th, right?
00:34:44.000 You actually had people breaking into the Capitol.
00:34:47.000 Not everybody broke in.
00:34:48.000 Some were let in.
00:34:50.000 And they actually stopped the joint session of Congress to elect the president.
00:34:54.000 As soon as I saw that, I was just like, it's not an issue of whether or not the majority of the country is affected.
00:34:59.000 It's an issue of whether the highest levels of our country are affected.
00:35:02.000 So, you know, in 2018, I was telling people I thought we were on track for a civil war because people were fighting in the streets.
00:35:08.000 And this is indicative of, you know, what we've seen in past civil wars and past revolutions, Nazi Germany and Spanish Civil War.
00:35:14.000 And I was told that was crazy.
00:35:17.000 What I was saying in 2018 is, once the culture war reaches the highest levels of government, the system will fracture.
00:35:24.000 And then you'll have this moment where it could happen in 2022, it could happen with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:35:30.000 Look at it this way.
00:35:32.000 The Democrats right now in the media are claiming that she helped the January 6th rioters.
00:35:36.000 They're trying to disqualify Madison Cawthorn saying that he was at the January 6th rally.
00:35:41.000 Well, there's a difference between the rally with Donald Trump and the actual storming of the Capitol, but they don't differentiate.
00:35:46.000 What happens when someone who has got subpoena power says to someone in the DOJ, arrest Madison Cawthorn?
00:35:57.000 They can either say yes or no.
00:35:58.000 And if they say, I have the power to issue a criminal complaint, which they've already done against Steve Bannon and other members of the previous administration.
00:36:04.000 I mean, let me just put it this way.
00:36:06.000 They've issued criminal subpoenas, criminal complaints against former members of the previous administration.
00:36:13.000 You got Mark Meadows, the former chief of staff, is now facing a criminal warrant for refusing to comply with members of Congress and what they're investigating.
00:36:23.000 If this continues, and I don't see any reason why it would stop, it results in them trying to arrest a previous president, which they've already tried to do through New York.
00:36:31.000 So the big question arises, this is what Matt Taibbi said.
00:36:33.000 Are you familiar with Matt Taibbi?
00:36:34.000 I know him, yeah.
00:36:35.000 He said last year, I think it was two years ago, you get to the point where... Interesting turn, by the way, his career.
00:36:43.000 But he's always been calling out the bullshit. 0.98
00:36:47.000 He said you get to a point where Two different, two cars are speeding at full speed towards, you know, the White House. 0.99
00:36:56.000 And then two different agencies jump out of the car and they both yell, arrest that man.
00:37:01.000 And then, you know, at each other.
00:37:03.000 And then who are the police going to arrest?
00:37:06.000 It ultimately comes down to who in law enforcement, who they're going to believe.
00:37:11.000 It could be the corporate press and the establishment, or maybe they're Joe Rogan listeners. 1.00
00:37:14.000 And they're like, no, you guys are fucking lunatics. 1.00
00:37:16.000 There's no coup without the generals, right? 1.00
00:37:20.000 Yeah.
00:37:21.000 So this is what I suppose I'm worried about right now is the way they're framing January 6th and trying to disqualify politicians.
00:37:27.000 What happens when the DOJ says, we're going to arrest Marjorie Taylor Greene because she aided January 6th rioters the day before by giving them a tour?
00:37:37.000 I don't know if she actually did, but they say this. 0.99
00:37:39.000 Then you're going to have one cop who's a fan of hers and says it's bullshit. 0.99
00:37:42.000 One cop who says it isn't. 0.98
00:37:43.000 Are those cops going to fight each other?
00:37:45.000 Then the system just snaps.
00:37:46.000 Who needs their job more? 0.84
00:37:48.000 Yup.
00:37:48.000 That's true.
00:37:49.000 Here's what worries me.
00:37:50.000 I don't know, I don't know.
00:37:51.000 I mean, look, I don't think any of us know, but I think I see a difference between the notion of a civil war and the, wrong word, but solution of a national divorce.
00:38:04.000 I've been hearing a lot of people talk about that.
00:38:06.000 And I didn't hear the interview, but is Marjorie, does she favor that?
00:38:12.000 No, they actually lied.
00:38:13.000 The media lies, of course.
00:38:15.000 She had tweeted, in a national divorce scenario, you know, X, Y, and Z would happen.
00:38:19.000 And then they said, Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for a national divorce.
00:38:23.000 She was terrified about it when she was talking about it.
00:38:25.000 Like, she has three kids.
00:38:26.000 She's like, they would be the ones that would be sent to die.
00:38:28.000 Like, it's not... Yeah.
00:38:29.000 She was here and she was like, I don't want that to happen.
00:38:31.000 That's terrifying.
00:38:31.000 China takes over.
00:38:33.000 My kids are fighting and dying.
00:38:34.000 But is there a distinction between a civil war and a national divorce?
00:38:38.000 I don't think so.
00:38:39.000 I think that it would inevitably cause the feds to crack down.
00:38:42.000 I agree with Ian, but there is a distinction.
00:38:44.000 I think there is too, but I mean if you just take the divorce word at face value.
00:38:49.000 Okay, mom goes this way, dad goes that way.
00:38:52.000 What do we do with the kids?
00:38:53.000 That's called custody and we'll share it and we'll figure it out.
00:38:56.000 So who are the kids in a national divorce?
00:39:00.000 I would submit the kids are thermonuclear warheads.
00:39:04.000 A lot of them.
00:39:05.000 Now who gets them?
00:39:06.000 Is it the states where they currently reside?
00:39:10.000 What kind of state?
00:39:11.000 There will be a war.
00:39:15.000 A war, whatever that is, whatever it looks like, feels like, or sounds like, the idea that the country could amicably say, okay, look, we're red, we're going here, or we're not going anywhere, we're just going to stay here.
00:39:28.000 We're going to be red, you're going to be blue, and so forth and so on, and then all of a sudden, there are no nukes in the blue states?
00:39:36.000 Forget it.
00:39:36.000 It can't possibly be a thing.
00:39:39.000 This is what started the Civil War the first time.
00:39:42.000 Seven states had seceded from the Union legally and were done with it.
00:39:44.000 It was over.
00:39:46.000 Then the Fort Sumter happened and it became a civil war.
00:39:50.000 Post offices, like government agents that are stuck in states that aren't involved with the revolution.
00:39:56.000 So Abraham Lincoln's election was contentious.
00:39:59.000 Seven states said, we don't want to be party to this, and we're leaving.
00:40:03.000 And then when the South went to, South Carolina said to Fort Sumter, evacuate and leave, you're no longer welcome here.
00:40:10.000 They said, no, we built this, we paid for it, it's ours and we're not leaving.
00:40:14.000 No one believed they would fight.
00:40:15.000 This is the craziest thing.
00:40:17.000 Back then, people said on the hillside, Thinking it was all a big show and a big farce and nothing could happen.
00:40:23.000 And then they started shooting cannons at each other.
00:40:25.000 And people were picnicking watching people get slaughtered and their heads blown off.
00:40:30.000 And I think about that story and here we are today with people saying it can't happen.
00:40:33.000 And we actually just had on January 6, what is it, a thousand people entering the Capitol?
00:40:39.000 A good portion fighting with police, breaking through the barriers.
00:40:42.000 A good portion being let in by the police.
00:40:44.000 So what's the corollary in your view?
00:40:47.000 Slavery, obviously, was a thing in 1860. 0.98
00:40:53.000 Collectivism versus individualism is a large component, but it's tribal.
00:40:57.000 Have you ever been to Belfast?
00:40:59.000 Yes.
00:40:59.000 Have you seen the peace wall?
00:41:01.000 Yes.
00:41:01.000 Makes no sense, does it?
00:41:02.000 No.
00:41:03.000 Like there's Israel on one side and Palestine on the other. 0.93
00:41:05.000 Right.
00:41:05.000 No joke.
00:41:06.000 There's signs saying pro-Israel.
00:41:07.000 For no reason do these people have to be on the side of the Israeli conflict.
00:41:12.000 Or abortion, even. 0.89
00:41:13.000 I remember seeing the abortion thing on the walls there, too, and being like, wait, what?
00:41:16.000 That's where I was going.
00:41:18.000 I'm looking for a corollary beyond the... Abortion. 0.84
00:41:23.000 Well, beyond the collectivism versus the state rights.
00:41:27.000 So slavery was a thing.
00:41:29.000 It wasn't really the thing, but it was a big thing, and the country was arguing not over Not over whether slavery was good or bad.
00:41:40.000 They were arguing, as I understand it, over whether a slave was a human or a piece of property.
00:41:48.000 And today— And it was the North, actually, that argued it was property, and the South argued it was a person.
00:41:52.000 The triangle trade.
00:41:53.000 Molasses to rum to slaves.
00:41:55.000 Yeah, that's all convoluted, but my point is there was a confusion about and around the issue of slavery that had to do with the fundamental definition of property versus personhood.
00:42:07.000 Well, that exists today.
00:42:09.000 That confusion exists today.
00:42:11.000 Somebody asked me in an interview the other day, you know, where are you on abortion?
00:42:15.000 I'm like, jeez, of the many things I don't talk about, there's one!
00:42:18.000 Thank you!
00:42:19.000 Thank you for that one!
00:42:20.000 Can we talk about the turkeys, please?
00:42:23.000 But no, I said, look, I mean, that would depend entirely on whether or not you believe a fetus is a human being or a piece of property.
00:42:34.000 You know, if it's a human being, well, I'm opposed to, you know, a process that ends the life of a human.
00:42:41.000 And if it's a piece of property, well, no, I'm not.
00:42:43.000 But can we settle that?
00:42:45.000 And of course the answer is no, we cannot.
00:42:47.000 So, in this world, and by the way, the arguments for both of those things really lined up in an interesting way.
00:42:54.000 You can take almost any big abortion controversial argument today and cross out Cross out abortion and write in slavery and imagine having that same exact conversation in 1861.
00:43:06.000 I actually proposed this in a recent episode that abortion would be the catalyst for the second civil war.
00:43:13.000 I'll tell you how it happens.
00:43:16.000 They've already said, numerous left-wing publications, that the Supreme Court, after hearing oral arguments on the Mississippi abortion ban, will overturn Roe v. Wade in June, assuming that happens.
00:43:28.000 Twelve states have what's called trigger laws, which instantly ban abortion.
00:43:32.000 Twelve states.
00:43:33.000 And there are several more that are preparing legislation to that effect.
00:43:38.000 That means in November, if there's a Republican sweep, Regardless of what Republicans say about states' rights, they say, oh, abortion should be up to the states, right?
00:43:48.000 I'd be willing to bet that if Republicans do win, you will immediately hear about a bill proposed for a federal abortion ban because they control the Senate and the House.
00:43:56.000 Joe Biden will veto this.
00:43:58.000 2024 comes around and you get a Donald Trump or a Ron DeSantis and they say the first thing I'm going to do when I'm elected is I'm going to sign the federal abortion ban.
00:44:04.000 Why?
00:44:04.000 Because more people support pro-life than, you know, pro-choice and we're going to win for reasons unrelated to abortion economics.
00:44:13.000 People are not going to support whatever random garbage Democrat they put forward because they got no charisma. 0.90
00:44:18.000 DeSantis is a rising star and Donald Trump is still incredibly popular. 0.98
00:44:23.000 President gets in, signs the abortion ban.
00:44:26.000 Federally, abortion is now outlawed.
00:44:28.000 California says, we will not obey.
00:44:30.000 We have abortion clinics.
00:44:32.000 Let me ask you this.
00:44:33.000 Do you think there are 10 people in this country that would arm themselves and drive into California to forcefully shut down an abortion clinic?
00:44:42.000 10 people.
00:44:43.000 I don't know, but I'll tell you.
00:44:45.000 It's interesting you made that basic argument.
00:44:49.000 I've been having the same sort of conversation over beer and whiskey for years,
00:44:52.000 but only to make the point that it was such a confusing thing back in the day
00:45:01.000 that the Supreme Court ultimately got so on the head of a pin,
00:45:05.000 we were taught, what was it, 3 fifths, right? The 3 fifths law.
00:45:08.000 It's like, okay, look, we can't decide human or property, property or human,
00:45:12.000 let's just call it a compromise. Well so do you know where that came from?
00:45:16.000 The South argued that their slaves should have a right to vote as individuals.
00:45:22.000 And the North said, no, if you treat them as property, they can't vote.
00:45:26.000 So interestingly, people don't realize this.
00:45:28.000 It wasn't the South that said they were property.
00:45:30.000 They did, but they wanted to have the right to vote.
00:45:32.000 So the North said, fine, three fifths.
00:45:34.000 That was their compromise.
00:45:36.000 Well, and think of the conversations around trimesters.
00:45:41.000 Think of the conversations about, okay, well, you know, we don't want any trouble, but let's decide now.
00:45:47.000 Let's draw the line somewhere.
00:45:49.000 First, second, third.
00:45:51.000 Full term?
00:45:53.000 A year after birth?
00:45:54.000 Whatever it is.
00:45:57.000 Obviously, there's no upside for me going much further than to say that if you can't determine, like really collectively determine, what it is we're talking about, what the subject is, if you can't figure out the difference between property and personhood and agree collectively, then yeah, you're going to have a problem sooner or later.
00:46:20.000 You're gonna have a problem.
00:46:22.000 So let me ask you, if a baby was born and the doctor took that baby into another room and then said in front of you, I am now going to kill this baby, would you stop that doctor?
00:46:36.000 Well, am I the father of this baby?
00:46:39.000 No.
00:46:40.000 Just you as a normal, regular dude in a hospital?
00:46:43.000 Yeah, I try to stop him.
00:46:45.000 Governor Northam, are you familiar with this quote?
00:46:49.000 No.
00:46:49.000 He's a Virginia guy, right?
00:46:51.000 He's a Virginia governor, he's on his way out.
00:46:54.000 There was a woman, I think her name was, what was her name, Tran?
00:46:57.000 Yeah, some, yeah.
00:46:58.000 She was proposing an abortion legislation that would allow abortion up to the point of birth.
00:47:05.000 So a judge actually asked her, so if the woman is dilating and the baby is breaching, you could abort the baby. 0.94
00:47:10.000 And she says, the law makes no distinction.
00:47:12.000 The abortion up until the point of birth, you know, that point.
00:47:17.000 In a radio interview, Governor Northam said, well, the baby would be delivered, made comfortable, then we would decide on what to do with it.
00:47:28.000 Now of course the mainstream media says it never happened, he never said it, he was speaking about something else.
00:47:33.000 Northam said he meant if it was a gross deformity or the baby couldn't survive.
00:47:38.000 But therein lies the next question is if there was a deformed baby and the doctor said me and the mother have decided, me and the mother, we're going to end this baby's life, would you intervene to save that baby?
00:47:50.000 And I think most people would say yes.
00:47:52.000 Sure.
00:47:53.000 Or, you know, just to keep the conversation lively, somebody might say, how deformed?
00:47:57.000 Is it blonde? 1.00
00:47:59.000 Blonde-headed and we wanted a brunette? 1.00
00:48:01.000 Is it cross-eyed?
00:48:02.000 Is it heart outside of its chest?
00:48:03.000 Can it only live for a month?
00:48:04.000 But also, why is Jackie Brown over there getting involved in my personal business with my doctor?
00:48:09.000 I don't want someone stopping that, if it's my choice.
00:48:12.000 Stopping what?
00:48:12.000 An abortion.
00:48:14.000 We're talking about a baby that's already been born.
00:48:15.000 Well, that's a different story. 1.00
00:48:16.000 That's fucked beyond measure. 0.98
00:48:18.000 But even abortion up to the point of birth, I mean, it's just getting to the point where it doesn't matter what side you're on, it's getting to the point where... We're going to have to settle on terms. 0.99
00:48:32.000 And part of the reason I think the country went to war Once upon a time was that we couldn't.
00:48:40.000 Look, we didn't talk about this in the main show and I kind of wish we would have because the rhetoric and the language that surrounds everything, especially the COVID stuff, but also this stuff, you know, it's the first to go and it's the front line of the real heated conversations.
00:48:57.000 It's the thing that leads to unfriending, right?
00:49:01.000 And this whole notion of taking the language and redefining key terms right in front of us, I mean, like in real time, it's pretty amazing that Miriam, I think, I think I confirmed this, I don't know, but Miriam Webster, a couple weeks ago, Officially redefined anti-vaxxer to include those who oppose mandates.
00:49:29.000 That was in 2018.
00:49:31.000 Really?
00:49:32.000 In 2018 they changed the definition.
00:49:33.000 No, no, there were no mandates in 2018. 0.96
00:49:36.000 Isn't that fucking weird?
00:49:38.000 There were no mandates for vaccines in 2018 to the extent we have them now. 0.98
00:49:42.000 But I suppose they could say they were talking about schools or something.
00:49:45.000 Sure, there was no terrorists to bomb that were American citizens after the Patriot Act got signed.
00:49:49.000 They waited 18 years on that. 0.98
00:49:51.000 It's all a big fucking long game of suppression and assassination. 1.00
00:49:56.000 It's crazy. 0.98
00:49:57.000 We're going a little long, but I'll wrap up with one final thought.
00:49:59.000 There's something called Thucydides Trap I often talk about.
00:50:02.000 Have you ever heard of it?
00:50:03.000 No.
00:50:04.000 Whenever a growing economic power is about to supplant the dominant power, war breaks out.
00:50:09.000 Or I should say, typically, out of, I think, 16 historical stories, historical references, there's 12 moments of Thucydides' Trap happening.
00:50:16.000 Great wars break out using the most powerful weapons of the day.
00:50:20.000 Many people believe that we're headed towards that with China.
00:50:23.000 So I referenced Luke's statement I called Rikowsky's Trap, that in what, you said 57 pandemics?
00:50:28.000 I have it written down here.
00:50:30.000 There were only six where there was not civil unrest or civil upheaval?
00:50:34.000 Yes, this is according to the Bach New University, and they had two professors that came out.
00:50:41.000 Fifty-seven of the global sicknesses and pandemics between the Black Death and the Spanish Flu between the 1300s and 1918, only four of them did not result in some kind of revolt or large-scale protest.
00:50:53.000 Sounds like it's feasible, but maybe I'm wrong.
00:50:58.000 Well, you're coupling it with economic depravity.
00:51:01.000 We're on the road to the US dollar going to zero right now. 1.00
00:51:04.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:51:05.000 Well, as I recall, 80% of the country believes we're in a state of some sort of decay. 1.00
00:51:09.000 That's right.
00:51:11.000 Well, I don't know what's going to happen, and sorry for taking everybody from a funny story about whacking off a bull to the apocalypse, but Mike, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.
00:51:19.000 Listen man, I don't think the leap is as colossal as you suggest.
00:51:24.000 And look, if there's a way to stay sane in this endless shitshow, I hope there's something to be learned from the impossible weirdness of coaxing the sperm.
00:51:38.000 From a turkey and getting it in a jar. 0.95
00:51:40.000 And feeding America, you know?
00:51:43.000 The things that go on in barns behind closed doors might not be so different than the sausage getting made behind the closed doors of the Capitol.
00:51:53.000 There's something for you, Ian, to ruminate on.
00:51:56.000 I'm ruminating.
00:51:56.000 Do it.
00:51:57.000 Right on.
00:51:57.000 Ruminate hard.
00:51:58.000 Yeah, you gotta know how to impregnate turkeys if you want to survive the apocalypse. 0.99
00:52:01.000 The trick is the thumb.
00:52:02.000 It's all about the thumb and the first straw.
00:52:06.000 Okay.
00:52:07.000 Thank you.
00:52:07.000 Well, Mike, thanks for hanging out.
00:52:09.000 Thanks for having me.
00:52:10.000 Anything else you wanted to add before we sign off?
00:52:11.000 Dude, I gotta be honest, man.
00:52:14.000 I grew up in Baltimore, so to drive down 70 and to come back to this part of the world and to sit in this weirdly lit room again with the swords and the guitars and the books and the guns, I've had a very strange time and I appreciate the Pappy Van Winkle as well.
00:52:29.000 He's very civilized.
00:52:30.000 Absolutely, man.