Fat Dave and Nick are back on the show this week, and they're joined by Reid Coverdale, who is now tied for the show's most frequent guest. The guys discuss the recent outbreak of HIV/AIDS in the Mises Tent at Porkfest, and whether or not it was caused by alcohol or drugs.
00:01:19.420Well, yeah, that is true, which was something that I did not bring up last week, I don't think.
00:01:25.340But apparently, because you were at Porkfest, and I was at Porkfest, and seemingly a whole bunch of the people that were hanging out at the Mises tent,
00:01:33.220it seemed like everybody that was in that Porkfest group that I created on Twitter all got sick with the same thing.
00:01:39.540And we don't know if it was COVID or not.
00:01:41.580But for me, like, I just got better, like, this morning.
00:01:45.680I've had it since about, I don't know, mid last week, maybe, I guess I would say, or Thursday.
00:01:50.680Like, I really noticed it, and I was like, oh, shit.
00:01:52.600And I was getting it, like, a little bit after most people said they were getting it.
00:01:56.920Don't know if it was COVID or not, but...
00:03:04.280He was like that at Schilderberg, too, just drinking and doing all kinds of drugs and shit.
00:03:07.860I was like, well, it's just because he's a small guy, probably, and he can't handle it or something.
00:03:11.240I don't know, but then people were like, maybe he's patient zero, and he actually was really sick, and we all got sick because of this, but...
00:03:17.160Well, we can't confirm or deny that the drugs and alcohol had no effect.
00:43:10.860The current job also has that with the load thing.
00:43:13.860Dude, blue-collar workers have the best jokes, and it's not even close.
00:43:18.260Like, it is so much fun, like, to go to a work site.
00:43:20.900It's because we hate our lives so much of the time, so you got to have something that, like, gets you through the day.
00:43:25.840This was, um, I can't remember who came up with this, like, theory, but it was just, like, the funniest people are the ones that have gone through, like, the most hardship or, like, live in, like, the most boring places or have, like, because, like, there's nothing else to amuse ourselves except for making jokes.
00:43:45.920Yeah, yeah, some of the funniest jokes I know are from, like, the worst days of work we've ever had, you know, where you just want to kill yourself.
00:43:52.980Like, that's where the, that's where the good humor comes out, for sure.
00:43:56.820So, days you're like, ha-ha, let's play Russian roulette as a joke.
00:44:22.960So, you better, whoever's watching probably knows, but Siraj Hashmi is, like, a conservative guy that does, like, a show.
00:44:30.440I don't know if he does news or journalism or whatever, but I know he does a podcast.
00:44:34.260And every, I don't know if it's weekly.
00:44:36.100I think it's weekly, where he'll come out with a list of 10.
00:44:39.620It's, like, 10 people who need their phone taken away.
00:44:42.200So, like, anytime you see somebody that makes a really shitty tweet, a lot of the times he'll be in the replies, like, with the handwriting emoji.
00:44:48.620And his thing is just, he says, uh-oh, and just has a bunch of handwriting emojis.
00:44:53.360So, that means they're being put on the list.
00:45:15.920It was, it's obviously the picture of Megan and John on the left, McCain, and it said, and then on the right, she's crying over his casket, and it says, name a bigger upgrade.
00:45:25.680And, yeah, got us, it created a bit of a stir.
00:45:30.720So, he put me on the list, and then I ratioed him twice, once in the picture here, by just replying, based, that ratio.
00:45:38.700And then someone commented on it, what a POS, or what a, it was like, what a POS, or what a trash human being, or something.
00:45:47.400Obviously directed at me, but I just turned it around and said, I know, but at least he's dead.
00:45:51.920And then that ratioed me on the mail post.
00:45:53.880Dude, and then what's amazing with the story is it has a second part for whenever Rumsfeld died, and you said, I think I found the upgrade, or something like that.
00:46:03.780Yeah, so someone said that to me, and they said, hey, Reed, I think I found the upgrade.
00:46:07.280It's just a picture of, like, the Rumsfeld family's, I don't know, condolences or whatever.
00:46:14.120So, then I just quote tweeted it, and I said, found one.
00:47:07.080Yeah, that's, I understand what you're saying, but I just, you know, be a little bit, you know, more forgiving.
00:47:11.980It is pretty funny that, like, this guy was, like, the number one, and then when he dies, like, not very many people were, like, giving him.
00:47:19.560Like, because, like, the media gave, like, the McCain treatment to McCain when he died, even though they, like, they also bashed him whenever he was running for president.
00:47:26.260But then when he died, he got all the.
00:47:27.580Yeah, but, dude, the media sacrificed the Iraq war.
00:47:30.520Like, they're willing to say that was bad now, the media, the mainstream media does.
00:47:34.780So, even though it all is, you know, they'll let him fall on his sword.
00:47:38.580He's the piece of shit that got us into the Iraq war.
00:47:41.460Even Bush is, like, the dummy who just went along with it, you know, like, they, you know, he's, like, oh, look, they fought and drawing pictures, you know, he's such a nice idiot, you know.
00:47:50.540But Rumsfeld and Cheney, like, they don't get any love from the mainstream media because they're, I mean, rightfully so, but it's not for the right reason.
00:47:57.940It's just because they want to let those.
00:48:00.200Well, they made that, uh, then they make that, uh, that movie about Cheney.
00:58:03.640I remember watching it happen real time where they were giving him shit because they were pulling out of Iraq,
00:58:08.000and that was around – I mean, I'm getting numbers mixed up, but very similar timeline.
00:58:12.920They were, you know, they were criticizing it for sending people to Syria after saying he wouldn't.
00:58:17.580And I remember my conservative, like, family members getting, you know, rightfully, you know, being angry about the shit in Libya too when Gaddafi was killed and all that shit.
00:58:29.880So, like, they were criticizing him for being too soft and then pulling out of Iraq, which we know created ISIS, right?
00:58:36.860You know, after – you know, not – forgetting about all the funding and all that shit.
00:58:54.940Yeah, it felt like you had people who were thinking he was going too far and then, like, dumbass neocons who were just like, he's not doing enough, you know.
00:59:03.500And, I mean, it was – and I was one of those dumbass neocons.
00:59:07.240Like, you know, Obama is not, you know, showing strength or whatever, and then you start actually reading what's going on, and you're like, what the fuck?
00:59:26.200When I explain to people, like, Bush – the Bush wars versus the Obama wars and, like, why Bush's legacy is so bad is because of the wars and the spending and the bullshit, right?
00:59:36.500But same thing, like, Obama was just Bush 2.0, right?
00:59:40.340So it's, like, more wars and more spending and more, you know, more of the same shit that Bush was pushing, just a little bit accelerated.
00:59:49.660So, like, whenever I explain to people that are not really red-pilled, when I compare Obama's exact, like, legacy and what it should be compared to Bush's and how they should be equally at the bottom of the list on everybody's list of presidents, they're, like, blown away.
01:00:03.320They're like, oh, wow, I never knew that.
01:00:04.480And it's like, yeah, you know, fucking I wonder why.
01:00:06.940Dude, it's always been my favorite thing whenever I would go make fun of Trump, whenever Trump was president and be like, yeah, Trump is a fucking piece of shit.
01:00:27.700Like, I've seen – because Shane's always talking shit on Twitter.
01:00:30.000I don't mean talking shit as in, like, in a bad way.
01:00:31.800I mean, he's always, like, in the replies and shit, getting into it with people on Twitter.
01:00:35.760And they will – like, people cannot – they cannot comprehend.
01:00:38.780Like, if you criticize one of the two, whether it's Trump or Biden, if you criticize one of them, they will automatically assume you are a supporter of the other.
01:00:49.200The best part of being, like, a libertarian or an anarchist or whatever, like, the best part on social media, at least right now, it's my favorite.
01:00:56.300I'll change my mind on this in a few weeks.
01:00:57.980But it's whenever people don't know who the fuck they're talking to.
01:01:02.780Like, you say some – you see some Trump retard who's, like, saying all the bullshit.
01:01:07.880And you're like, well, you know, he was a giant Zionist and this and that.
01:01:12.000And, you know, you just – the criticism that we all have of Trump.
01:01:15.540And they're like, oh, well, Biden – one time somebody posted that picture of, like, the fucking armed – I don't know if it's a SWAT team or – riot police and shit.
01:01:25.740Like, and then with the caption, we stopped – we voted out fascism or whatever because we were criticizing some shit that Trump had done.
01:01:32.900And like, oh, yeah, Biden's so much better.
01:01:34.420It's like you have no fucking idea who we're talking to.
01:02:09.320People who don't know me come in and they see the polls and they just fucking freak out.
01:02:13.920They're just – like I have done one like which was more devastating to humanity and it was like coronavirus or the January 6th insurrection.
01:02:24.940You need to stop watching liberal media.
01:02:28.120Well, this is why Nick likes the people that have that binary mindset so much because those – because he requires a binary mindset to be able to answer his polls, I think.
01:02:40.260It's just funny to me like – it's just funny to be assumed and they're totally wrong.
01:02:48.720Like it's just so funny when somebody thinks they've got you pinned, like they've got you figured out and they really – they're like 180 degrees off.
01:04:08.940The Lysander Spooner quote that we love so much, the Constitution has either permitted such a government to exist or has been powerless to prevent it.
01:04:26.100It's like when you really think about it in that way, in those terms, all the statism we have – and they didn't do shit to protect Minneapolis.
01:04:32.180They didn't do shit to protect Portland.
01:04:34.440And I don't remember where else it was bad.
01:04:36.020It was Detroit and Philadelphia maybe.
01:04:37.880So all the fucking – all that tax money you pay to these brave blue line fucking wife-beating, dog-shooting fucking pigs, and they don't – they literally stand down whenever the shit hits the fan.
01:04:51.540They actually – so it's like, you know what?
01:04:52.880I'd rather not even have them so that way I know I need to protect myself instead.
01:04:56.400Like you get that – it's a diffusion of responsibility.
01:04:59.820You feel like your protection is already taken care of.
01:05:02.500The reality is that's not even the case.
01:05:03.780It may be better for crime if there were actually no – I'm not even making this up.
01:05:09.620But if people knew that there were no police and they actually had to take care of shit, we would actually probably see better fucking – better results than we do now because people think, oh, I can call 911.
01:05:28.800So like I really think like if we actually had no police and we were like, I know that we don't have any police, rather than having the thin veil that we have that, oh, we have police.
01:07:03.380I don't know why he came up with the actual term.
01:07:04.880Like, I was actually talking to a – it was a police officer's wife on Facebook this week, and I said – like, I was making – well, that Magnus – Magnus made that tweet thread about, like, the military versus the police and their –
01:07:54.160They enforce laws, and if they don't enforce – like, I said, if you show me, like, a police officer that doesn't enforce any unconstitutional laws, and I'll show you a homeless person or, like, a jobless person.
01:08:09.100And she was just like, well, what do they enforce?
01:08:20.780It's like, yeah, but, you know, they have to.
01:08:24.600If they don't, they get fired, and so they do it, and you're just like, well, if we didn't have them doing that, we wouldn't be able to, like, have a civilized society.
01:08:38.640On that note, like, it is so funny that the two modes that people – like, the back-to-blue people seem to have is, like, if you just – if you're like, no, I don't like that the police enforce these shitty laws,
01:08:48.400they're like, oh, then don't ever call the police then if you're ever in trouble, and they instantly go from being like, you should be grateful to have this police force because they protect you, to I hope you die.
01:09:01.820The comparison that Dr. Bob Murphy makes is – he had a couple of talks on this at Mises.
01:09:08.380You can find him on the Mises YouTube where he's just like – that would be like saying if you go to a restaurant and they undercook your meal and you get sick and you complain about that restaurant,
01:09:17.280that somebody is like, well, I hope you don't ever eat food again, you know?
01:09:34.540So I hate conservative bootlickers more than liberals, and my reasoning is because liberals are just so retarded that, like, I don't expect anything from them.
01:09:45.180And I've been – you know, I was a Republican before I was a libertarian, so I've never been a liberal, never been a progressive, so it just, like, never embarrasses me because it's just like, yeah, they're so dumb.
01:09:56.440But, like, the conservatives piss me off more, but the progressive or liberal idea of police and law enforcement in relation to all the policies they want, the disconnect there is so stunning.
01:11:30.040So, we saw that too, Reed, where the progressives actually are starting to flip and say that it's the Republicans who are actually taking funding away from police departments.
01:11:43.100She said, oh, the Republicans ran on platforms of defunding the COPS program, which COPS program is actually an acronym for some actual program.
01:11:52.380It's COPS, and it stands for something to do with law enforcement.
01:11:55.180So, she was saying that, and then they were – now the progressives are saying Republicans were the ones that wanted to defund the police, and that's why we have this crime in Chicago.
01:12:05.140That's why we have this crime in X, Y, and Z.
01:12:06.860See, the only thing I will say that she's right about is that Biden never supported defunding the police.
01:12:12.420Like, he slipped up in one interview and said, maybe we should redirect some funding.
01:12:18.080And it was so – I mean, you're talking to a guy who can't remember how to put his pants on or what he had for life, first of all.
01:12:23.700So, if he slips up like that and caves to the mob, that's no indication of anything.
01:12:28.780But if you look at his history, there's absolutely nothing in his history that would make you think, oh, yeah, this guy doesn't stand with the police 150%.
01:12:36.420Yeah, he's the creator of the 94 crime bill.
01:12:39.620Even if it slip up were true, like, redirect some of the funds, that is hardly defund the police.
01:12:45.700Like, he was never, you know, and all cops are bastards, fuck the police, defund.
01:12:50.340I mean, so many Republicans are acting like he was.
01:12:53.720So, that thing that she said, even though it was bullshit, like, the reaction to it was also bullshit.
01:12:58.980All these, like, maggot chuds were on there, like, you wanted to fucking defund the police.
01:13:03.620You're basically part of the Black Panthers.
01:13:43.720What I was just going to mention was it really, really, really sucks.
01:13:47.340And Reid, you'll probably know this, even if you're not the most well-versed.
01:13:50.320But it's like it really sucks to know good economics and watch all the shit surrounding you about all the money they've printed and all the inflation and all this shit.
01:14:00.040And they don't – it's like nobody knows at all what they're talking about.
01:14:03.100Literally like three people do, and it's like Perp Island, Dr. Murphy, and Jonathan Newman on Twitter.
01:14:08.420Everyone else is retarded and should never talk about economics, and it's infuriating.
01:14:12.340So as somebody that reads Mises, and you just brought up – you just had the Hazlitt book there.
01:14:17.020Doesn't it – it just fucking pisses – and I don't even talk – I don't even get into arguments anymore because I know I'm just going to get aggravated.
01:14:23.200So lately I just shitpost – like I'll nitpick some stupid thing in their tweet and just say something stupid back at them.
01:16:31.500And Trump is not going to be some like amazing businessman coming there and like help the economy out.
01:16:36.760Like you're both like projecting onto these guys what you think they are and then checking on your own guy what you think is going to happen.
01:16:45.400It's like, no, they're basically going to do the same exact thing.
01:16:47.880They're basically the same person, yeah.
01:16:49.660One's going to be a little bit louder.
01:16:51.220One's going to be like hated by the media.
01:17:38.400It was so infuriating talking to that guy because he demanded that I accept all of his definitions and terms, but he wouldn't accept any of mine.
01:17:46.620So I could have straw manned the shit out of him and said, we already live under a socialist economy, which we don't.
01:18:36.540But I wanted to go back a little bit, back to the progressives thinking – or people thinking Biden was going to be this progressive or whatever.
01:18:44.020One of my favorite, favorite, favorite things like over the past – since Biden has been president and things have not become – there are progressives.
01:18:53.440There are fucking – this is how stupid progressives are.
01:18:55.300There are progressives that really thought that Biden was going to be like some sort of savior.
01:19:06.320But it's schadenfreude, you know, to the – like 100% schadenfreude whenever these progressives are so heartbroken about Biden not doing – no, he's not legalizing weed.
01:19:15.600BLM, they haven't even answered our phone calls.
01:19:24.920Because progressives are like the worst people – it's – they really are – I can talk about this all day, so stop me if you want me to stop.
01:19:32.380But I really hate progressives so bad because they're the architect of everything that's wrong with the fucking planet right now.
01:22:20.380Yeah, I mean, I think of progressives more as in the vein of, like, what Rothbard talks about in the progressive era, even though I'm only, like, a third of the way through it or whatever.
01:22:29.940It's, I consider them to be, like, what I consider to be progressives are Yankees.
01:22:35.320I mean, I consider it to be, like, cronyists, basically.
01:23:38.720All you have to do is say what he said, which was he implied that it was okay for a 13-year-old to have sex with a 40-year-old, and I don't think that that's okay.
01:24:00.120I didn't say he said – I'm not putting words in his mouth, but he strongly implied that he didn't have a problem, a moral problem with it, but he said it was okay.
01:24:05.720Because he just knew people that have.
01:24:07.520Well, that and the question, the hypothetical question that –
01:38:11.920He's like, I don't want to have to fucking look at you and pretend you don't stick goldfish up your ass or, you know, whatever the fuck he's joking.
01:38:18.180It's like, so the less you talk about and the less you ask of me, the better for both of us.
01:38:24.180I just like asking you, Nick, because it just makes you mad.