Tower Gang - July 30, 2021


Ep 23 - Is Dave Smith a Statist？ w⧸ Dave Smith


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 53 minutes

Words per Minute

198.2016

Word Count

22,571

Sentence Count

2,019

Misogynist Sentences

55

Hate Speech Sentences

116


Summary

Some say that when he walks, the earth shakes beneath his feet. When he does stand-up, they have to replace the stage because he wrecks the joint. He beat Archie in a sumo wrestling competition. The man who is undefeated in the political debate scene and at the buffet line is Fat Dave Smith.


Transcript

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00:00:19.100 We're live.
00:00:20.120 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very special episode of Tower Power Hour.
00:00:25.460 We have myself, Clint from Liberty Lockdown.
00:00:28.180 We've got Nick. We've got Toad. We've got Jose.
00:00:32.600 And tonight, a very special guest.
00:00:35.720 Some say he's the biggest name in the libertarian podcasting.
00:00:38.660 When he walks, the earth shakes beneath his feet.
00:00:41.440 When he enters a room, the winds of change shift their direction.
00:00:45.040 When he does stand-up, they have to replace the stage because he wrecks the joint.
00:00:49.880 He beat Archie in a sumo wrestling competition.
00:00:52.640 The man who is undefeated in the political debate scene and at the buffet line.
00:00:56.580 He is Fat Comic Dave Smith.
00:01:00.900 What's up, guys?
00:01:02.160 What's up?
00:01:02.660 Thank you so much for being on our show, Fat Dave.
00:01:05.220 It's an honor to meet you finally.
00:01:06.480 You're welcome, man.
00:01:06.720 It's amazing.
00:01:07.300 You're one of my favorite Twitter accounts.
00:01:08.800 Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to do this for us, brother.
00:01:11.920 Dude, I always look down on you peons and try to, you know, make your day just a little bit better by giving you, gracing you with my big-ass presence.
00:01:20.140 It's a real honor to have you.
00:01:20.780 You're truly a giant, sir.
00:01:22.800 It's a real honor to have you.
00:01:23.600 A giant liberty, Keith.
00:01:24.640 But before we get started, before we get started, I think we should have another guest because this show just isn't big enough, even with Fat Dave here.
00:01:33.800 And we also have the Robin to Robbie's Batman, the man who interrupts the genius that is the fire, the reincarnation of Ron Paul, but upgraded with Tourette's syndrome.
00:01:45.020 He is Comic Dave Smith.
00:01:48.300 Oh, shit.
00:01:49.460 This whole thing would have been better if you just promoted it this way and it was just Fat Dave and I wasn't here and just leave the audience fucking like, oh, seriously, man?
00:02:02.940 What's up, everybody?
00:02:04.340 It's good to be here with my favorite group of retardatarians.
00:02:11.960 Rophtards.
00:02:12.680 Rophtards.
00:02:13.440 Rophtards.
00:02:14.000 That's not bad.
00:02:14.940 Let me go through the list.
00:02:17.060 Toad, it's good to see you.
00:02:18.200 It was great to meet you at Porkfest and I'm happy to be on the show.
00:02:22.820 Fucking Jose, we got a fucking, I got a little bit of a fucking bone to pick with you, but it's good to be here with you.
00:02:29.000 I thought you were going to say a boner for him.
00:02:31.200 I thought I was going to say.
00:02:33.060 Clint, of course, you're my brother.
00:02:35.640 Nick, you are my king.
00:02:37.600 Thank you.
00:02:38.180 And you look better with the crown, to be completely honest.
00:02:41.160 Man, come on.
00:02:43.360 Fat Dave, fuck you, man.
00:02:45.060 Fuck you, dude.
00:02:45.820 You're not even fucking fat, dude.
00:02:50.200 It was funny for like two days, man.
00:02:52.520 And I was like, all right.
00:02:54.280 I was going to fucking account with me with a bloated fat face.
00:02:59.360 Saying fucking wild shit.
00:03:01.220 I actually think people have mistaken him for you at times.
00:03:07.600 I really think people have.
00:03:08.540 Oh, 100%.
00:03:09.120 I get followers and then I'll get like people messaging me and be like, hey, man, what's the music on your podcast?
00:03:16.440 I'm like, I don't know.
00:03:18.660 Dude, did you see?
00:03:21.040 I just did the fucking Reason podcast and it came out today.
00:03:24.820 And the picture that Nick Gillespie, who I love, but this passive aggressive motherfucker, the picture that he chose for me looks like Fat Dave's.
00:03:32.840 Like it must have been after the worst hangover ever.
00:03:35.880 My face is so goddamn bloated in the picture.
00:03:39.780 I've had so many people be like, dude, after seeing you, I can't look at Dave the same anymore.
00:03:45.400 He just, he doesn't look normal.
00:03:47.260 You're just a fat version.
00:03:48.480 Well, thank you.
00:03:50.460 Thank you for that contribution to my life.
00:03:53.340 Is that why Dave looks emaciated every time I see him though?
00:03:56.460 I thought the account was hilarious for like three days.
00:04:00.880 And then by the fourth day, I was like, oh, you're going to keep doing it.
00:04:03.480 You're just going to keep doing it.
00:04:04.340 This is just a thing you're going to run with for now.
00:04:07.860 The sad thing is, is that Cole's actually really good at Twitter, but he just can't give up the ghost of the Fat Dave moniker.
00:04:14.080 I get it.
00:04:14.480 I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to end the grift.
00:04:16.580 It's never going to end.
00:04:17.640 I can't.
00:04:18.720 But end it now and just be, just another retard libertarian number 1027 on Twitter.
00:04:26.020 It's just, it's not going to be the same.
00:04:28.200 All right.
00:04:28.560 Fair enough.
00:04:29.020 You got to know, man, you don't have an organically crafted following.
00:04:33.240 That's true.
00:04:34.340 If we're on the subject of a picture that we're using for you for a show or that somebody else used for you for a show, why do you not have, why do you have that same picture from like 2015 with that little shit eaten grin that you had that's on every single thing that you're on?
00:04:49.680 Why can't you get a new headshot, Dave?
00:04:51.720 I mean, I, listen, I'm certain that there's been thousands of pictures of me taken since then.
00:04:58.500 But I just, any, anytime anyone, even people I really respect, they'll be like, send me a headshot.
00:05:06.040 And I just don't.
00:05:07.820 I just, I just, I don't know, whatever it is, my personality, I just can't be bothered with this dumb ass shit where I'm like, I don't know, go find a picture of me.
00:05:15.800 And that's always the one they find.
00:05:17.400 Clint, what was that guy's name?
00:05:20.120 God damn it, I'm blanking on his name.
00:05:21.480 But the photographer who was at Freedom Fest, and he was at Pork Fest too, and dude, he sent me some of the pictures.
00:05:27.820 He's been at like a million of these things.
00:05:29.280 He's taking like the best pictures, and he sends them to me.
00:05:31.680 And I, I showed them to my wife, like, look at all these pictures of this guy.
00:05:34.220 And he was like, oh, and she was like, oh my God, these pictures are so great.
00:05:36.900 And I probably should send those out to people, but I just, I don't, I don't care.
00:05:42.320 I don't know why you would use that, that one Legion of Skanks picture of you and Louis and, and Jay from like, back in like 2012 or something like that, where you're, you're like, you look so young.
00:05:55.360 That's the one you should always send out, that you're laying, sitting on the ground.
00:05:57.720 That one would be, it would be hilarious.
00:05:58.640 Yeah, I was a much younger, much more degenerate person at the time.
00:06:03.120 By the way, I love people, I saw people tweeting at me when I said I was doing this show, and they're like, oh, you're really, you're really taking your career in your hands this time.
00:06:12.040 Are you, are you aware of the show I do twice a week?
00:06:16.240 I mean, for years now.
00:06:19.060 They've never listened.
00:06:20.240 A fairly large audience.
00:06:22.340 Yes.
00:06:22.700 Which is, I said, I told Toad when I saw him at Porkfest that, because I had seen an episode of this show.
00:06:30.040 I don't remember which one it was.
00:06:31.800 It was Jeremy Todd and Clint.
00:06:34.600 Yes.
00:06:35.140 Yes, that's right.
00:06:36.160 It was called Eat and Suck Dicks.
00:06:37.640 That was the title.
00:06:38.640 Well, that's, honestly, I had no idea it was a libertarian thing.
00:06:41.420 I just saw Eat and Suck Dicks, and I was like, all right, this seems right up my alley.
00:06:45.340 Let's check this out.
00:06:46.040 And, and I go, wow, this is really is a mix between Legion of Skanks and part of the problem.
00:06:52.240 Like, this is my shit.
00:06:53.700 I should be on this.
00:06:54.940 And I was like, let me do the show.
00:06:57.140 Oh, that made me so happy to hear.
00:06:58.740 Yeah, that was a great compliment, man.
00:07:00.000 Thank you.
00:07:00.940 Whenever we were talking about it, like whenever I wanted to start this thing, that was like what I was like.
00:07:05.420 We need to do Legion of Saints and fucking part of the problem, because it's just, there's nothing like that.
00:07:09.340 I mean, besides the other two pockets that, yeah, I mean, besides pretty much my career, but yeah, sure.
00:07:14.940 It was a big opening.
00:07:17.060 But your career's in the tank now since you're on this show.
00:07:19.540 People might call you a racist now.
00:07:21.420 Dude, think about this.
00:07:23.340 What a hilarious thought this is right now, that literally, and I'm not exaggerating at all,
00:07:28.440 there are people watching this show, like who we know exactly who they are,
00:07:34.000 with a pen and pad out right now, time stamping.
00:07:37.960 Like, what are they going to say?
00:07:39.680 What can I get Dave for?
00:07:41.580 And like all this shit.
00:07:42.780 And it's just, my message to them would be twofold.
00:07:46.120 Number one, you don't have to be you.
00:07:50.240 Like, you don't have to be this.
00:07:52.280 You could just stop.
00:07:53.960 There's no way this is fun.
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00:08:10.060 Hashtag make a play.
00:08:12.940 Number two, stop being such a faggot.
00:08:14.800 I don't know.
00:08:15.400 Whatever.
00:08:15.940 I didn't really have a number two.
00:08:18.080 And at least.
00:08:19.000 And number six million.
00:08:21.820 And at least come with the heat.
00:08:23.040 And number six million-ish.
00:08:25.200 And at least come with the heat.
00:08:26.440 Like, every time they get all butthurt.
00:08:28.180 Like, we've had this happen a few times.
00:08:29.540 There's been some, like, great outrage.
00:08:31.520 And they never even come with the good shit.
00:08:33.100 Like, it'll be some, like, weak stuff.
00:08:34.260 And you can tell they watched, like, ten minutes and they gave up.
00:08:36.600 It's like, if you just hang out a little longer.
00:08:38.700 We said some wild shit.
00:08:39.760 And, like, it's not even fun.
00:08:41.500 Like, we're not even, like, arguing about really offensive shit.
00:08:43.940 Like, yeah.
00:08:44.360 This is fun.
00:08:44.780 Say hi to Mr. Ashley, you guys.
00:08:46.080 Holy shit.
00:08:46.600 I was going to say.
00:08:47.600 Nick isn't even out of his house yet.
00:08:49.380 He's got homeless squatters in there already.
00:08:51.500 That's your dad, Nick?
00:08:55.940 Hey, man.
00:08:57.460 I'm the original.
00:08:59.100 Are you the original king?
00:09:00.780 He's the king.
00:09:02.340 He's the prince as long as I'm around.
00:09:03.900 I told him he can be the king with y'all.
00:09:05.880 But as long as I'm around, he's just the prince, guys.
00:09:09.120 Holy shit.
00:09:10.240 Dude, I love everything about you right now.
00:09:12.700 I don't know what it is.
00:09:13.880 I love your meth-y energy that you came right over.
00:09:17.460 I love that you were just crowding behind Nick like you were about to rape him.
00:09:21.280 We had no idea who you were.
00:09:23.260 I'm glad to find out you're his father.
00:09:26.000 I'm the pop, man.
00:09:27.920 All right.
00:09:28.880 I'm going to let y'all have the show.
00:09:30.200 It's good seeing y'all.
00:09:31.080 Keep up the good work, guys.
00:09:32.700 Good to know that y'all are out here.
00:09:34.420 I wonder sometime about the new generation, but when I see y'all, I know we okay.
00:09:39.220 All right.
00:09:39.660 Oh, thank you.
00:09:40.080 I appreciate that, sir.
00:09:41.940 I'm gone.
00:09:42.540 Shit.
00:09:43.000 I had so many questions about how Nick ended up being the person he is, and now I get it completely.
00:09:48.800 Like, Nick is actually the best he could have possibly turned out.
00:09:55.040 My dad's based as fuck, you guys.
00:09:57.560 But he basically got red-pilled over the past couple months, correct?
00:10:02.280 Thanks to me, baby.
00:10:03.200 Yeah, that's right.
00:10:04.260 There you go.
00:10:04.760 I got him listening to Tom Woods and Scott Horton and, you know, the big guys.
00:10:08.640 Really?
00:10:09.080 Yeah.
00:10:09.360 And a bit of meth, apparently.
00:10:11.920 Hey, man.
00:10:12.520 Come on.
00:10:14.380 I'm guest hosting Tom Woods, by the way.
00:10:16.840 I'm going to host the Tom Woods show that I'm doing it tomorrow, but it should be out in the next few days interviewing Jeff Deist.
00:10:23.260 So check that out.
00:10:24.460 Nice.
00:10:24.600 Yeah.
00:10:25.720 Hell yeah.
00:10:26.300 Seriously, though, my dad can't shave, like, very much because he's got severe neck problems, so he can't, like, look and turn his head to shave and stuff.
00:10:33.160 So that's why he looks all scruffy like that.
00:10:34.960 Hey, we're just going to do that.
00:10:35.460 Well, what's your excuse?
00:10:36.580 No, I know.
00:10:37.160 My excuse is I have no chin or jawline, so I have to hide it.
00:10:41.180 Yeah.
00:10:41.520 Same.
00:10:42.340 Same.
00:10:45.620 Dave's like, I can't relate.
00:10:46.800 I'm handsome.
00:10:47.400 Yeah, we are.
00:10:49.360 Totally.
00:10:50.080 Yeah, I get where you guys are coming from with that.
00:10:52.320 It sounds like an awful problem.
00:10:53.520 I did want to welcome you because this is actually the Archie Flowers gang podcast, and I wanted to ask you, first of all, why are you a bastard?
00:11:06.100 Dude, I fucking – so I muted Archie Flower, like, a while ago, months ago.
00:11:11.360 Was it before or after you muted me?
00:11:14.140 I never muted you.
00:11:15.360 He just doesn't find you funny.
00:11:18.560 That's, like, worse.
00:11:19.980 Listen, I never muted you.
00:11:22.400 I look at every one of your tweets and decide whether or not I think I should retweet them, and the answer has always been no.
00:11:28.560 So, I see all of them, and I'm just disappointed.
00:11:33.480 No, I didn't mute you.
00:11:34.880 I didn't mute you.
00:11:35.520 But I did mute Archie and a bunch of the other guys after a while because I just – I mean, it's just – after a while, it's just so boring.
00:11:42.460 But you know how it is, like, when you mute someone on Twitter, like, fucking – you know, you'll see people respond to them, and it's like, do you want to view it?
00:11:49.240 So, every now and then, maybe, like, four or five days ago or something like that, I just saw a thing, and I was, like, view – and I could already tell.
00:11:55.760 I was, like, I bet this is fucking Archie.
00:11:57.440 And view – and I hadn't checked in on him in months.
00:11:59.940 And I literally just viewed it and clicked on his account, and, like, the last five tweets were, like, will Dave Smith talk to Nick Fuentes?
00:12:07.820 You're, like, are you still doing this?
00:12:11.040 How are you not bored?
00:12:13.560 Like, are you honestly not just bored of this?
00:12:16.400 Bored of this – had no one caring.
00:12:18.880 Just saying the same thing over and over again, and no one gives a shit.
00:12:23.440 And you're just still going on this fucking crusade.
00:12:26.520 It's – dude – and let me – I'll tell you, because I did watch – I'm embarrassed to say it, but I did watch – I told you, Nick, that I watched that fucking Fakeritarians episode.
00:12:35.740 You watched it for me.
00:12:36.600 No, you didn't watch it for them.
00:12:37.680 You watched it for me and Josh.
00:12:38.820 You don't have to be embarrassed.
00:12:39.740 It's okay.
00:12:40.400 People were telling me, like, this was fucking, like, real epic.
00:12:43.300 You got to go check it out.
00:12:44.260 And I started it.
00:12:45.260 I mean, I didn't watch, like, the first half with that guy who I didn't believe was real.
00:12:50.040 But he is real, evidently.
00:12:51.800 John Waldenberger, yeah.
00:12:53.020 Dude, watching it and watching it with you, like, it was fucking fascinating.
00:12:59.100 And I don't mean – I told you this, Clint, when we hung out the other night.
00:13:02.040 It was fascinating.
00:13:03.180 Not even – forget all the fucking, like, political, like, you know, what your arguments are level.
00:13:08.640 They're obviously not interesting on that level.
00:13:11.100 But just on a psychological level.
00:13:13.560 Like, it was fucking amazing to watch these people and be like, they really exist.
00:13:19.400 Like, this isn't a joke.
00:13:22.580 Like, they really are that.
00:13:25.060 And to just see, like, every inch of it.
00:13:27.960 Not just, like, how, like, awful what they choose to be is, but how incredibly dumb they are.
00:13:35.940 Like, I mean, like, honestly, just, like, really, really not smart.
00:13:40.000 And how much they just don't get it.
00:13:42.340 Like, dude, Nick, when you first came on the show, I fucking forget who it is.
00:13:46.560 But one of them goes to you – like, you come on doing that goofy-ass shit that you came on doing, which was hilarious.
00:13:52.600 Which is just, like, I'm being funny and disrespecting your show.
00:13:55.900 Yeah.
00:13:56.120 And they can't really be like, hey, stop.
00:13:58.860 Come on.
00:13:59.160 Take this seriously.
00:14:00.220 Because they got, like, cat freak over here and shit.
00:14:02.900 So they can't really be like, oh, this is a serious show.
00:14:06.320 Like, let's discuss issues.
00:14:07.960 So you come on, and they don't even know what to do.
00:14:11.460 Like, they're angry, but they're kind of laughing, but they kind of don't know how to handle it.
00:14:15.240 So one of them just goes to you, like, right at the beginning.
00:14:17.960 It goes, where'd you get that crown?
00:14:20.060 Burger King.
00:14:23.120 Got him.
00:14:23.600 It was the weirdest fucking moment where, first of all, you're like, yes, that is exactly where he got –
00:14:29.720 But, like, I just wonder – okay, so maybe he couldn't see that the crown said Burger King on it.
00:14:35.560 Like, fine, but did he think he was going to, like, get you?
00:14:38.980 Like, he was like, I know you think that's a really sweet crown.
00:14:42.800 Let me just tell you that's not even that nice.
00:14:45.960 As far as crowns go, that's not even that nice of a crown.
00:14:49.240 Like, you know, you're not even a real monarch, dude.
00:14:52.240 That looks like a prince's crown at best.
00:14:54.560 What?
00:14:56.080 I have no idea.
00:14:57.840 They didn't get a joke at all, either.
00:14:59.560 No, they didn't know why I was dressed up like that.
00:15:01.360 Did you get the thing, Dave?
00:15:03.040 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:03.660 You know, honestly, I didn't at first.
00:15:05.840 And here's the thing.
00:15:06.800 Fucking Legion of Skinks, we did a whole fucking thing about Burger King guy.
00:15:10.860 But I didn't get it at first.
00:15:12.040 But then I did remember, like, afterward what you were fucking doing.
00:15:15.240 But I just thought it was so funny to fucking, like, just clown them like that.
00:15:19.140 But what was brilliant about it was really amazing was that it's not –
00:15:22.820 Like, you came on just like, look, I'm not taking this fucking seriously.
00:15:27.080 Fuck all you guys with the perfect energy.
00:15:29.020 And then Josh came on and was just fucking calling them all nerds and shit.
00:15:33.320 And faggots and retards.
00:15:34.740 Retards, yeah.
00:15:35.260 Which is the way – this is the way to deal with people like that.
00:15:38.440 The only – the, like, the technically correct way to deal with people like that.
00:15:44.900 But then on top of that, I mean, as the episode goes on, I just don't –
00:15:50.260 I don't see how any honest observer of that show wouldn't go, like, Nick and Josh were clearly the smartest people on that show.
00:15:59.240 Like, not even – not even, like, there was a close competition.
00:16:03.020 Like, it was just, like, like, no one there has a thought in their head.
00:16:09.000 The Brit dude just kept fucking yapping and didn't understand what the fuck he was saying.
00:16:14.400 Like, just knew nothing about anything, then, like, was making our argument for us without –
00:16:20.760 His definition of populism.
00:16:23.880 What was it?
00:16:24.320 You go, well, what is populism to you?
00:16:25.860 And he's like, lying.
00:16:27.700 Lying, mate.
00:16:28.960 That's what populism is.
00:16:30.860 It's telling a lie.
00:16:32.340 And you're like, no, I don't think that's what it means.
00:16:35.580 And, like, so it's just so interesting to go, like, wow, these guys who talk so much confident shit don't know anything.
00:16:44.880 Like, the most basic thing.
00:16:46.620 They don't know any of it.
00:16:48.320 And it was great.
00:16:49.440 It was just fucking great.
00:16:50.320 The best part, like, just regarding that, the bet, like, in terms of their confidence of, like, a particular thing was whenever they were so sure there are Holocaust deniers in the Mises caucus.
00:17:00.580 There are literal Holocaust deniers.
00:17:02.100 And me and Josh were sitting there, like, name one, like, I think I mentioned this on Josh's show, like, Christopher Hitch is just, like, name one, name one.
00:17:08.600 And then Archie just goes, Dave Smith is a transphobe.
00:17:11.780 And that was it.
00:17:12.560 Like, I'm like, you were so fucking sure that you had something and you just – just nothing.
00:17:17.660 Come on.
00:17:18.140 But Archie is actually, like, I think – I mean, by the way, I don't even mean, like – I don't even want to be shitty to him.
00:17:25.380 It's just impossible not to because, like, one of the things that that show made me realize was, again, it was fascinating.
00:17:32.100 It was fascinating on a psychological level.
00:17:34.480 And that's – like, I don't mean to, like, get serious here on this fucking show.
00:17:38.160 But I remember I was talking to Jeremy about this when we were up at Porkfest.
00:17:43.160 And I was telling him he shouldn't be fucking with that kid who he was talking shit to.
00:17:47.800 And I wasn't coming at it from, like, an angle of, like, you know, the retarded, like, you're sexually harassing a minor or something, which is stupid.
00:17:55.720 Like, the idea that saying suck my dick is actually propositioning someone.
00:18:01.720 Like, it's not like – it's, like, as if there's no difference between me being, like, suck my dick and being, like, hey, why don't you come up to my hotel room?
00:18:07.700 Like, obviously there's, like – and the idea that any 15-year-old who's ever, like, played a video game with a headset or anything has never heard suck my dick.
00:18:18.360 So I wasn't coming at it from that angle.
00:18:20.220 But I was coming at it from the angle where I think he was kind of like, look, these people deserve to be bullied.
00:18:25.780 And I was like, but who are you really, like, bullying here?
00:18:29.000 Like, this dude is – no, I'm not telling you lots of shitposts, Top Lobster.
00:18:34.540 Don't you fucking talk to me like that.
00:18:36.160 You get back to drawing, okay?
00:18:38.940 You get back in my basement and draw more pictures of me, Top Lobster.
00:18:43.500 But no, but I'm saying, like –
00:18:44.540 I am Jesus Christ.
00:18:45.800 This shit –
00:18:46.680 Yeah, I am Jesus.
00:18:48.460 But, like, I go, who do you think this fucking kid really is?
00:18:54.000 I go, do you not think this is a kid with some serious psychological problems?
00:18:58.360 Because it seems pretty obvious to me.
00:19:00.420 That's what it is.
00:19:01.140 So do you really want to be bullying, like, a kid with psychological issues?
00:19:04.420 Like, maybe just fucking pass on that.
00:19:06.520 And the thing to me, like, that was, you know, I'm seeing there is in that show, you're like, god damn, like, who are these fucking people?
00:19:15.600 These are some real troubled fucking people who have real – like, Archie Flower, I mean, I don't mean this to be a dick, but it'll come off that way.
00:19:24.580 But, like, honest question to the five of you guys.
00:19:26.920 Do you think he's ever had sex?
00:19:31.040 That's not what I thought you were about to say.
00:19:32.540 Archie Flower, incel.
00:19:34.660 Do you – no, I'm just saying, do you think?
00:19:36.400 Do you think he's ever once had sex?
00:19:37.900 Well, it's like that Neo Conor Mover thing.
00:19:39.620 Zero pussy and what it does to a motherfucker.
00:19:41.720 It's not good.
00:19:42.800 Dude, listen, this is a guy –
00:19:44.060 Titty-fucked Waldenberger at some point.
00:19:46.680 It's impossible.
00:19:48.340 I don't consider that sex.
00:19:50.120 I'm going on a real – I don't care if he's gay or straight or what.
00:19:53.560 I'm saying, do you think his dick has ever been inside four walls?
00:19:57.600 That's what I'm saying.
00:19:58.400 Do you think it's ever –
00:19:59.720 Four walls?
00:20:00.680 Four walls.
00:20:01.300 I don't think so.
00:20:02.220 Like a room, probably.
00:20:04.600 Like, I'm saying this is a dude who is quite – probably never had sex with anything.
00:20:10.560 Is, what, in his 50s?
00:20:12.900 Is that how old he is?
00:20:13.840 I can't tell how old he is.
00:20:15.420 He could be in his late 20s or his early 60s.
00:20:18.440 I have no clue.
00:20:18.780 He's like – okay, listen.
00:20:20.380 He's either 17 or 92.
00:20:23.100 But my point is that he's literally an old fucking guy who's, like, never had sex, doesn't have kids, isn't married,
00:20:32.060 and is hanging out with, like, 20-something-year-old losers.
00:20:37.680 Like, the biggest fucking losers who are literally, like, six generations younger than him.
00:20:44.300 And it just – it gave me, like, almost, like, a different perspective on it.
00:20:47.640 And even on that show, he just sits there and shuts the fuck up the whole time.
00:20:52.160 And he comes in with one dumbass thing.
00:20:56.160 Like, after an hour, he goes, well, why are you an asshole?
00:20:59.820 Like, he's been working on that question the whole time, and you're like, God damn, dude.
00:21:06.240 He's got a pretty fire background.
00:21:07.820 And he also – when he did finally have something to say, he forgot to unmute himself.
00:21:12.500 He was hollering.
00:21:14.920 He was like, shut up, shut up, shut up.
00:21:17.560 And he was muted.
00:21:18.580 There was also part of it where he was just typing shit because he, like, wasn't going to speak, I guess,
00:21:22.880 and he was just typing shit, and he had it behind him.
00:21:24.860 Did you see that?
00:21:25.800 Yeah, dude.
00:21:26.520 So weird.
00:21:26.920 You're 100% correct, though.
00:21:29.220 I literally, after watching that, tweeted out, like, the real divide in libertarianism is those that get pussy and those that don't.
00:21:36.240 Like, there's something to that.
00:21:38.740 Like, most of the guys on this fuck and here are married.
00:21:41.100 I haven't been married for 10 years.
00:21:42.380 I have two kids.
00:21:43.140 You're married with kids.
00:21:44.360 Clint gets pussy in the rag.
00:21:46.140 Toad, I think, is a vol cell or whatever the fuck.
00:21:49.900 Fat Dave and Nick both married.
00:21:51.600 Like, there's a huge difference in the two groups, you know?
00:21:54.800 Like, I mean, pussy class theory, whatever you want to call it.
00:21:57.860 But, like, we're all paleos.
00:22:01.420 That's the problem.
00:22:02.480 Well, right.
00:22:03.100 Like, our weird group of fucking, I think I called them to, I think I was talking to Michael Heiss.
00:22:08.220 I said, I go, when I was at Freedom Fest, I was like, I don't know.
00:22:11.460 It's a lot of Republicans.
00:22:12.260 I wish I had my crowd of paleo degenerates here.
00:22:16.880 We are.
00:22:17.780 Like, however you describe us, none of it really makes sense.
00:22:20.620 But I do think you're right, man.
00:22:22.140 Like, there is something to be said for that divide.
00:22:25.800 Like, that kind of, like, look, man.
00:22:30.440 There are some really fucking, not even socially awkward, like, fucking, like, mentally fucking awkward people.
00:22:40.220 Retardant.
00:22:40.860 Yeah, who are, you know, I mean, like, whatever the exact correct word is to call them, who are really, like, stuck on this thing.
00:22:47.960 And it's weird, because even from, like, my perspective, like, you see them on, dude, that fucking Archie guy.
00:22:54.040 And I'll stop talking about him, because I really shouldn't anymore.
00:22:57.300 But he is so, like, if you saw his debate with me, which I never should have done, that is all my fault.
00:23:03.040 I take full responsibility for that.
00:23:05.120 I should not have debated him.
00:23:06.960 No, seriously.
00:23:08.020 No, we're laughing at Lobster.
00:23:10.700 That's called communism.
00:23:11.800 It might, that might be the best thing we could do.
00:23:15.020 That's a remedy.
00:23:16.980 It's, that was my fault, and I should not have debated him.
00:23:20.100 And I knew from, like, the first three sentences he spoke that I was, like, this shouldn't be happening right now.
00:23:26.140 Like, this is going to go so bad for him.
00:23:28.100 And he was not prepared for the moment and to handle it afterward.
00:23:31.300 But guys like that, like, he, if you watch his debate with me, it's not that, like, I fucking.
00:23:39.660 They couldn't name a single rap album.
00:23:42.180 They couldn't name one.
00:23:43.640 I mean, Jesus Christ.
00:23:45.020 By the way, Nick, you picked, you picked Illmatic, correct?
00:23:49.640 Yes, sir.
00:23:50.280 That is an excellent answer.
00:23:51.820 Damn right it is.
00:23:52.640 That's the best rap album ever.
00:23:53.740 That's from the number one wigger himself.
00:23:56.500 Oh, how dare you.
00:23:57.620 And a fucking Brooklyn, a Brooklyn wigger.
00:24:01.360 But I'd say, fuck, Illmatic might be the best.
00:24:06.340 Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die.
00:24:09.180 There's some really good fucking, like, New York hip-hop albums.
00:24:12.080 Dough or Die by AZ, very underrated.
00:24:14.580 There you go.
00:24:17.680 But anyway, so, oh, sorry, let me just say this.
00:24:21.020 But, like, the thing is, like, if you watch, like, I've watched a lot of debates online and stuff.
00:24:27.480 And I'm sure all you guys have, too.
00:24:29.220 I would challenge you to find more of a fucking blowout than me versus Archie.
00:24:37.560 Like, I don't think there's ever been a debate where you're, like, the other guy debating.
00:24:43.520 I mean, he lost the debate in his first three sentences without me saying a word.
00:24:48.240 He just lost it.
00:24:49.200 Like, he didn't even understand.
00:24:50.140 He couldn't even wrap his head around the point he was trying to make.
00:24:54.100 There was a certain point, like, where he's, like, arguing that racism violates the non-aggression principle because it dehumanizes people and makes them less than human.
00:25:03.680 And I go to him, well, what about racism that doesn't make someone less than human?
00:25:08.040 And he goes, well, that's an interesting question.
00:25:13.080 Like, he didn't think through that possibility that someone might point out that.
00:25:18.840 Like, he didn't even think through that.
00:25:20.240 So it was just the worst debater you could ever imagine.
00:25:24.700 And he loves to debate on Twitter.
00:25:27.160 All he tries to do every day is debate someone else.
00:25:30.700 And he just loses and loses and loses.
00:25:32.860 He's getting his case together, Dave.
00:25:34.880 He's going to get the case together.
00:25:36.440 He's going to bring it towards you.
00:25:37.360 You beat him so bad, it made you look like an asshole for being there.
00:25:40.420 Yeah.
00:25:40.960 Yeah.
00:25:41.600 No, no.
00:25:42.120 You were actually trying to be nice.
00:25:44.240 Dude, not even made me look like an asshole.
00:25:47.460 I was an asshole for being there.
00:25:49.540 Like, I should not have been there.
00:25:51.260 It should have been, like, none of you guys should have been there.
00:25:54.280 No, it should be someone, like, I don't know, like, six levels lower than anyone you know.
00:25:59.960 One of your daughters.
00:26:03.000 Nick can completely out-debate him even if he's 14 beers in.
00:26:06.540 I was at least a dozen beers deep whenever we were talking about the populism thing.
00:26:11.500 I was like – and so looking back at that, it's like, wow, they really are not smart at all to be intellectually dwarfed by somebody who was hammered and didn't even remember it at that point.
00:26:20.560 The thing – what I was going to say earlier – I'm sorry, Jose, because I know you haven't even spoken at all.
00:26:24.880 But the one thing I want to say about Archie is there is someone in him that is sort of cool because he laughed at my joke where I said – yeah, where I said he's – I told him I said he is more libertarian than Nick Fuentes because he's gay.
00:26:39.540 And he actually laughed at that, like, a really good laugh.
00:26:43.600 Do you remember – listen, no, listen, Nick, you're completely correct and you're really on to something there.
00:26:48.680 I don't know if you guys remember when I debated him.
00:26:52.080 Not only did he laugh at some of, like, the racist jokes I was making.
00:26:54.920 By the way, for people who remember, me and him were completely cool.
00:26:58.700 It wasn't until after the debate and the fallout that he became who he fucking is now.
00:27:04.040 Show pits.
00:27:04.540 He's – here's the important thing to fucking remember, okay?
00:27:09.500 Archie laughed at my fellow traveler's joke at the end of the fucking episode.
00:27:16.740 I went, hey, dude, I know we fucking disagreed on this issue, but I still consider you a fellow traveler.
00:27:22.420 And he – like, he put his head down laughing.
00:27:25.180 He thought it was hilarious.
00:27:26.440 He got the reference.
00:27:28.060 He knew exactly what I was talking about and he laughed at it.
00:27:31.240 What happened is that Archie, who was a complete unknown after that debate, started getting fucking – like, I made him libertarian famous.
00:27:41.040 You know what I mean?
00:27:41.660 Yeah.
00:27:41.820 And, like, in the worst way possible.
00:27:43.660 Infamous.
00:27:44.100 And so he's getting fucking hate all the time.
00:27:47.140 And this is what really happened, and I saw this happening, right?
00:27:49.720 Is that actually the loser brigade, they were getting on him.
00:27:54.400 And they went, dude, why were you laughing with Dave about all of this fucking shit?
00:27:59.660 Yes.
00:28:00.140 They were criticizing him.
00:28:01.640 And then he went, well, listen, who can I go with?
00:28:04.640 Well, I can't go with them because they all think I'm a fucking joke.
00:28:07.640 So I'll go over here with them and double down and double down.
00:28:10.440 Well, I just found out that Dave did a podcast with Nick Fuentes, and now I'm building a case and all of this goofy, like, embarrassing shit.
00:28:17.240 But that's what happened.
00:28:18.080 But you're right, Nick.
00:28:19.680 Inside, there really is a dude there somewhere.
00:28:22.460 Not a very bright dude, but, like, a dude, you know?
00:28:25.340 And, like, that he didn't even laugh at your shit.
00:28:28.320 Well, I think he does get pussy because he surrounds himself with a bunch of them.
00:28:33.900 He's fucking Hudak.
00:28:35.380 You heard it here first.
00:28:37.520 Oh, no.
00:28:38.120 He's giving out butt pussy.
00:28:39.120 Let's be real.
00:28:40.300 It's called pussy.
00:28:41.760 Honestly, I hope so.
00:28:43.220 I hope he is.
00:28:44.040 I hope so, too.
00:28:44.280 I think this is actually a really good analysis of the entirety of cancel culture is that it's largely people that can't find a peer group unless they are, you know, using otherization where, like, we hate these people.
00:28:58.980 So the fact that none of us fuck, we could all kick it.
00:29:01.880 You know, like, I honestly think that's what it is.
00:29:06.340 So God bless their hearts, man.
00:29:07.900 I just hope you guys get pussy.
00:29:09.220 If I was them, I would just – the only thing I would care about is legalizing prostitution.
00:29:14.400 Oh, dude, I had a tweet the other day that was, like, libertarians are only so pro-sex work because it's the only way they'll ever get laid.
00:29:22.860 The only world is free pussy, okay?
00:29:25.300 I'm all for that, and I think there might actually be a real benefit for – I mean, I'm being completely serious now.
00:29:33.020 I think there's a real benefit for that type of people.
00:29:36.580 Like the old school kind of your dad brings you to a brothel type thing.
00:29:40.640 I think a lot of those guys could benefit from that.
00:29:43.240 And by the way, to all those guys, Archie himself included, you're still muted.
00:29:46.460 I'm not going to respond to anything you have to say about this episode, but go ahead.
00:29:49.940 Tweet it right.
00:29:50.600 I won't see it.
00:29:51.880 I don't care.
00:29:52.520 Hey, shout-out to the fake-retarians.
00:29:55.000 If any of y'all want to fuck, I am doing a road trip, and I will drop you off at the local brothel, and I will buy you a hooker.
00:30:01.880 Straight up.
00:30:02.660 Wow.
00:30:02.860 I would jerk you off.
00:30:03.880 Look at that.
00:30:04.700 That's an awesome –
00:30:05.660 I'm a DM away.
00:30:06.320 I'm a DM away.
00:30:07.540 You can take that to the bank from the richest homeless person in America, Liberty Clint.
00:30:14.960 Clint was like, hey, if any of you wants to fuck, I'm available.
00:30:17.440 I just wish that Legion of Skanks did pick Clint for the most baller skank, and then they show up to his house, and they're just like, who the fuck are you?
00:30:28.300 Get the fuck out of here.
00:30:29.760 I just can't come into my house.
00:30:31.680 I like that Clint entered that contest and then sold his house two days later.
00:30:35.760 No, no, no.
00:30:38.040 Louis mentioned that shit like two and a half months prior, so I sent the video in right away, so that's why I moved out.
00:30:44.520 Anyways.
00:30:45.280 What's your bone to pick with Jose?
00:30:46.920 Let's focus on Jose a little bit here because he hasn't spoken a lick.
00:30:49.540 Oh, yeah.
00:30:50.220 Fucking Jose said – because you said, motherfucker – I'm coming on your podcast.
00:30:54.520 Don't take anything I say seriously, first off.
00:30:58.100 Well, that is –
00:30:58.800 Oh, damn it.
00:31:00.020 That is a great way to disarm, mate.
00:31:03.040 That's what I fucking love.
00:31:04.200 I really like that about Jose.
00:31:05.980 I've watched a couple of your shows where you're like, look, I'm a fucking retard, but this is what's going on, and you're like, oh, I can't even be angry at you.
00:31:11.900 No, because you fucking said – here, I'm just airing out all my beefs on this fucking dumb show.
00:31:16.980 Because you said – I saw a thing that you did where you said that I didn't fucking really address the arguments that fucking Matt and Vin made.
00:31:26.780 You said it on here.
00:31:27.680 It's a shame.
00:31:28.560 Be honest.
00:31:29.160 Yeah, it was on this show.
00:31:29.980 It was a shame that I just took personal shots at them and didn't address their actual arguments.
00:31:36.220 Shit, I was tired when I said that.
00:31:37.120 Fuck yourself.
00:31:37.960 Dude, what were their actual arguments?
00:31:40.400 No, no, no.
00:31:40.840 I was –
00:31:41.100 No, no, no, Jose.
00:31:42.060 No, no, no, no, no.
00:31:42.680 Don't – no, no, no, no, no, no, me.
00:31:43.880 No, no, no, no, no, you.
00:31:45.200 No, no, no, no, you.
00:31:46.260 You tell me right now.
00:31:47.520 What was the actual argument that I didn't address?
00:31:50.440 Well, it depends.
00:31:51.060 If we're talking Mattie or we're talking Cyprian.
00:31:52.580 Because Cyprian came at you wrong.
00:31:53.660 Both.
00:31:54.200 Cyprian's bullshit.
00:31:54.760 Both of them.
00:31:55.180 No, both of them.
00:31:56.520 Listen, run this through the Stefan Molyneux fucking test, okay?
00:32:01.040 Who – what was not an argument?
00:32:03.120 Not an assertion.
00:32:04.340 Not the libertarian party will be evil because the outsider party is always evil like the commies or the this.
00:32:13.420 And I know – listen, I heard – I haven't seen it, but I heard Cyprian like wave the white flag and made an apology video or whatever.
00:32:19.500 But what are the arguments that I didn't address?
00:32:23.380 Just give me the argument.
00:32:24.460 Dave, prove that you're not a predator.
00:32:26.720 Is that the argument?
00:32:28.560 I'm a fucking narcissistic predator because I once said that it's not a zero percent chance.
00:32:35.640 That makes me a narcissistic predator.
00:32:38.240 All right.
00:32:38.600 Jose wants to get it.
00:32:39.980 With the narcissistic predator thing, that was really retarded word choice.
00:32:43.840 But – and it was kind of bullshit that he walked it back later being like it's descriptive because he's a smart guy.
00:32:48.940 He knows what words he's using.
00:32:50.120 And that's kind of the way I saw it.
00:32:51.240 But I get how you can be like, well, it's descriptive so technically.
00:32:54.280 And that's why I really caveat that like no.
00:32:56.320 So what's – hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:32:57.880 So what's the argument that it's descriptive?
00:32:59.580 I'm trying to address like 12 things.
00:33:00.740 But what's the argument that it's descriptive?
00:33:03.080 That still – even if it's descriptive, how am I a narcissistic predator?
00:33:06.860 All right.
00:33:07.080 The narcissistic thing – okay.
00:33:08.380 You denied that?
00:33:09.400 The predator part, I didn't get how he could say –
00:33:11.540 The predator part.
00:33:12.180 If he's saying – if he thinks that your tactics will not work out in the end, he's saying that in a sense you're preying on them.
00:33:19.520 Whether there's intentionality or not behind that, it's a different story.
00:33:22.520 I think it was insanely poor word choice and he knew what he was doing.
00:33:26.100 But I could get how someone could be like, well, it's descriptive.
00:33:28.500 That's why I was super like caveated that like Cyprian was like –
00:33:31.560 No, no, no.
00:33:32.020 He came in there with a bone to pick.
00:33:33.620 He legit did.
00:33:34.080 If my tactics are wrong, that wouldn't make me a predator.
00:33:39.120 That would make me wrong.
00:33:40.540 Wrong, yeah.
00:33:41.200 Like I mean it wouldn't mean – that's not you preying – like if you're trying to save someone and you say, hey, we should run through this door instead of this door.
00:33:51.140 But this door actually leads to certain death and that door is actually safety.
00:33:55.160 That doesn't make you a predator to run through that door.
00:33:57.640 That would just make you wrong.
00:33:59.260 So like what's the argument that I'm a predator?
00:34:01.420 The argument would have to be that I'm trying in some way to fucking kill the people that I'm like trying to bring on board.
00:34:08.960 So I'm just saying what's the argument?
00:34:11.540 That's not like just as a description.
00:34:13.780 I'm trying to be very clear.
00:34:15.320 I think he made horrible word choices.
00:34:17.580 I think he was trying to say in effect but he's smart enough to know the word choices he's making and that those aren't the improper ones.
00:34:23.740 I want to be extremely clear.
00:34:24.840 I'm not at all – and he did apologize later.
00:34:26.980 I think Cyprian was wrong.
00:34:28.460 He shouldn't have fucking came at you like that.
00:34:29.800 I said that from the beginning.
00:34:31.420 Do we have to seriously call it Rodan Cyprian?
00:34:35.140 Please.
00:34:36.020 I just can't.
00:34:38.220 Cypher Street.
00:34:38.920 I'm the narcissist.
00:34:40.240 I mean it's the second fake name.
00:34:41.400 Yes.
00:34:41.740 It's fucking retarded.
00:34:42.540 I will totally – I was actually – when I was talking that I was talking to Maddie and I was speaking in reference to him.
00:34:47.240 I think Vin – it's actually really good that he did apologize.
00:34:49.860 It was a very good apology.
00:34:51.760 I think –
00:34:51.980 I didn't see it.
00:34:52.820 So I'll agree.
00:34:53.720 By the way, I don't have anything against him.
00:34:55.280 I just – so to fucking Vin, I won't call you Cypherius or whatever your name is.
00:35:00.140 I will – to Vin, I will say no hard feelings between me.
00:35:05.280 I heard you apologize.
00:35:06.340 I haven't seen it.
00:35:07.060 But I don't care.
00:35:07.900 I honestly – water under the bridge.
00:35:09.460 I wish you – and you're – like as far as I know, he's a fucking father and a husband and a family guy.
00:35:14.540 I respect that shit way more than any of this political shit.
00:35:17.360 I wish him and his family the best of fucking luck.
00:35:19.660 I don't care.
00:35:20.520 But the idea that like – look, this is the thing, right?
00:35:24.660 Like I felt like those guys had no arguments, at least in the show with Clint that I saw.
00:35:29.640 I heard nothing.
00:35:30.580 And I felt like I addressed – like I felt like I told you exactly how to view those guys so that you could see through all their bullshit.
00:35:38.580 And then Pete was like, well, let me play devil's advocate and throw everything at you.
00:35:43.200 And I addressed every single thing that he fucking threw at me.
00:35:46.940 And so then when you were like – like I'm not actually mad.
00:35:48.900 But I'm just saying like when you were like, well, you didn't address the argument.
00:35:51.520 I'm like, well, what argument?
00:35:53.120 What argument did I not address?
00:35:54.920 What would you like to hear Dave address?
00:35:56.280 I don't even remember – first off, I don't even remember what the fuck I said, to be honest.
00:36:00.060 I forget day to day.
00:36:01.000 I was high when I said that.
00:36:03.840 But fucking in relation to Matty, I do think – and I actually did say a lot of what you just said there.
00:36:10.860 I actually told him he was way too fucking woo-woo, him and fucking Vin both.
00:36:14.660 They talk in these airy-fairy retarded fucking ways that like – it's like if you could just –
00:36:18.600 like if you watch my episode with Matty, he was actually much more down to earth.
00:36:22.140 He was very like – talk like a normal person.
00:36:24.180 I even pointed this out to him like that's not a constructive way to go.
00:36:27.380 But I did say that Matty was being kind of conciliatory.
00:36:30.540 So I did get the vibe that you were kind of coming at Matty a little bit.
00:36:33.120 But I think it's because he kind of got lumped in with Vin.
00:36:35.060 And I think Matty was actually trying to be conciliatory to his best ability.
00:36:38.080 No, because he's as much a piece of shit as Vin, just more of a fucking coward.
00:36:44.420 Just more of a coward.
00:36:45.520 Listen, I'm not –
00:36:46.520 COVID in here.
00:36:47.520 I am not trying to fucking pick a fight with Jason Stapleton's assistant.
00:36:52.140 I think he does a great job.
00:36:54.180 Big words coming from Robbie the Fire Bernstein's assistant.
00:36:57.540 Jeez.
00:37:00.000 Damn it.
00:37:00.540 You stole my joke.
00:37:01.280 I've been waiting to say that joke.
00:37:02.540 Oh, I'm sorry, Cole.
00:37:04.520 I'm sorry, man.
00:37:05.820 I fucked you up.
00:37:07.060 I think he does a great job.
00:37:08.460 I'm sure that he's a smart guy.
00:37:10.800 And I'm sure that he's a good father.
00:37:12.720 And I'm sure that he gets Jason's dry cleaning delivered on time.
00:37:16.420 But the point is that he said, right, which he said to you that I'm not willing to have this conversation anymore.
00:37:25.560 It's always just these assertions about what they know about reality.
00:37:28.580 I'm not willing to have these conversations anymore because I'm already in running for president mode.
00:37:34.080 And I'm not in the mode of having debates anymore.
00:37:38.060 That's why I'm on this show right now because I'm in running for president mode.
00:37:41.440 I'm not willing to fucking risk anything.
00:37:44.220 Yeah, I'm not willing to risk anything.
00:37:46.660 But here's why he's such a fucking lying cunt is that after his show on fucking after his episode on Pete's show, I fucking reached out to him and said, hey, dude, like that was an interesting show.
00:37:59.340 I disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but I like the way your mind works.
00:38:03.500 I appreciate that.
00:38:04.040 And he apologized to me.
00:38:06.560 He goes, listen, dude, I'm sorry if I've been too sharp with the criticism and whatever.
00:38:11.860 You know, I apologize for that.
00:38:12.900 You had a big influence on me.
00:38:14.220 And I go, dude, don't fucking worry about the criticism.
00:38:16.560 I don't care.
00:38:17.340 We all got to tell the truth as we see it.
00:38:19.420 We're all grownups here.
00:38:20.760 So whatever.
00:38:21.520 No problem.
00:38:22.140 And he goes, listen, would you be down to have a conversation with me and like fucking, you know, talk about some of this stuff?
00:38:26.960 And I go, I'd love to.
00:38:28.260 And then he went on Clint's show and when fucking Cypherion is like, oh, he's a fucking narcissistic predator, he goes, yeah, you know, I agree with that.
00:38:38.640 And I'll tell you, I want to give Dave the benefit of the doubt.
00:38:41.100 So maybe he doesn't mean to be a predator, but his behavior is predatory.
00:38:45.880 So I would have to say that he is.
00:38:47.760 So then I was like, OK, well, fuck him.
00:38:49.680 And then he's going to tell you that, like, well, I just don't want to have I'm not willing to have these conversations with him.
00:38:54.640 It's like, no, you fucking lying motherfucker.
00:38:56.800 You know damn well that I was down to have this conversation with you.
00:39:00.520 But after if you're going to fucking go at me like that, like, why I don't know, dude, like, why should I like why?
00:39:08.320 It's a weird fucking thing where it's like this this whole thing.
00:39:12.080 Right.
00:39:12.260 Like, it's an interesting game.
00:39:13.780 And I kind of I'll tell you, there is a part of me that, like, gets off on it in a weird way.
00:39:18.340 Like, like, I jerk off to this stuff.
00:39:20.840 That's pretty gay.
00:39:23.920 You're the same as, oh, what's his fucking name?
00:39:27.760 The guy in New Hampshire.
00:39:29.160 Every time Cole goes to make a point, he forgets what the fuck he's going to say.
00:39:33.260 Every time.
00:39:34.460 Come on, man.
00:39:35.440 Well, look, think about him like this, right?
00:39:37.160 In a former LP chair.
00:39:38.960 Yeah.
00:39:39.140 Well, look, I go like this, right?
00:39:41.180 You're thinking Sarwak is what you're thinking, right?
00:39:43.400 Sarwak who goes on Twitter and gets roasted every day.
00:39:46.220 Well, think about this, right?
00:39:47.900 Sarwak, right?
00:39:49.000 That's a good example, right?
00:39:50.500 He thought, and understandably so, when he went to debate me, he goes, well, look, I'm the chairman of the Libertarian Party.
00:39:58.260 And this is some comedian.
00:39:59.800 So he fucking underestimated me and who I was.
00:40:03.600 And he was like, I'll go fucking debate this guy.
00:40:05.920 And he went from being the longest serving chair of the Libertarian Party to being the noted laughingstock of the fucking liberty movement.
00:40:18.100 Because when you do these debates, and I love this shit, you take your career in your hands.
00:40:26.000 Like, imagine for a second, like, people don't think about it because, like, I smash all these guys when I debate them.
00:40:31.240 Like, I fucking smashed Archie and fucking Andy Craig and Sarwak and Hudak and all these guys.
00:40:39.600 But imagine for a second, one of them had smashed me.
00:40:42.980 Wow.
00:40:43.740 What happens to my career after that?
00:40:46.320 I mean, my whole thing.
00:40:48.600 Guys, listen to me.
00:40:49.880 Trust me.
00:40:50.240 My whole thing falls apart if one of those guys had just smashed me.
00:40:55.740 So there's something exciting about that, right?
00:40:57.540 Like, you go, like, into these things.
00:40:59.300 Like, I'm fucking everything.
00:41:00.480 The way I support my family is on the line right now against these guys.
00:41:05.600 You know what I mean?
00:41:06.480 So to me, it's like, I take this shit really, really seriously.
00:41:10.260 And for him to come at me like that, he's like, yo, I'm trying to ruin what you do.
00:41:16.200 Like, the way you support your family, I'm trying to ruin.
00:41:18.840 I'm trying to tell your people that you're a fucking narcissistic predator who's lying to all of them.
00:41:24.780 So I'm like, okay, fine.
00:41:28.000 But now, every time you ever tweet anything, you will be mocked ruthlessly by everyone who sees through your shit.
00:41:36.680 So, like, I'm all for it.
00:41:38.040 Come at me.
00:41:39.120 But if you come at me in that way and not just like, hey, I want to have a conversation.
00:41:43.180 Not like some people like Eric Brakey or Tho Bishop come at me like, hey, I think the Republican Party is better than the Libertarian Party.
00:41:49.780 We could have a conversation and whoever you thought won, whatever, we all respect each other.
00:41:54.140 But if you come at me like that, great.
00:41:56.920 Please come at me.
00:41:58.020 But then I'm coming to ruin you.
00:42:00.720 Like, you're trying to ruin me, so I'm trying to ruin you back.
00:42:04.360 And so here's the thing about calling you a predator, too.
00:42:07.680 The implication there, you would have to say that every third-party candidate that has ever run in America is also a predator because no third-party candidate has a chance of winning.
00:42:19.500 But everybody that runs in politics at least pretends to some extent that they have a chance.
00:42:24.200 And you don't even seem to pretend.
00:42:26.100 And the thing that really pisses me off is that I don't know a single Libertarian that thinks that you're going to be the next president.
00:42:32.260 We support you because of your message.
00:42:34.200 We support you because we love what you do.
00:42:35.880 I've been found out.
00:42:38.000 I've seen a few, but it is the vast minority.
00:42:40.500 But I get what you're saying.
00:42:41.240 You've seen a few?
00:42:41.880 I just like thinking of Joe Jorgensen as a predator.
00:42:44.120 Well, but the best –
00:42:45.540 I heard she gets wild.
00:42:47.880 I read that fucking news article about her.
00:42:49.540 Listen, I'll say it right now.
00:42:50.480 Joe Jorgensen raped that bat, okay?
00:42:52.800 She was a fat bat that's not one other thing to do.
00:42:55.000 That's what Joe Jorgensen said.
00:42:56.520 But, like, what you said was – and you go, so is Ron Paul a predator?
00:43:00.180 And they're like, no, no, no, no, he's different because he's the guy who woke up both of them.
00:43:03.700 So they can't throw him under the bus because that would kind of defeat their whole argument.
00:43:08.000 And then their justification or whatever was like, well, he was saying different things.
00:43:13.660 And Dave is just saying the same old thing.
00:43:16.080 And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, I guess.
00:43:17.760 I guess I'm saying the same old thing as Ron Paul.
00:43:20.700 I mean, in a more fucking degenerate fucking way.
00:43:24.180 But –
00:43:24.960 And the fucking Fed.
00:43:26.400 The Fed is retarded.
00:43:28.740 Right.
00:43:29.520 The Fed is gay.
00:43:31.040 But if you were, like, say, in the Mises Institute and Ron Paul wasn't saying anything new, you know?
00:43:38.100 Like, he was just kind of saying the same shit that a lot of fucking hardcore Austrian libertarians had heard before.
00:43:44.680 But the point is he was saying it to people who had never heard that before.
00:43:48.080 So that's the same thing I'm doing.
00:43:49.880 It's like, yeah, okay, to you guys it might not be anything new.
00:43:53.140 I mean, maybe a little something new because it's about, you know, the current day rather than 2008 or 2012.
00:43:59.160 But, like, that is the difference between being, like, a fucking predator or not.
00:44:05.360 Like, I don't know.
00:44:06.440 Anyway, to those guys, I really don't have anything against those guys.
00:44:09.840 I do think their shit is complete bullshit.
00:44:12.340 And it's disappointing to me that people in our space, particularly in, like, my camp, actually think there's anything impressive about either of those two.
00:44:23.180 Holy shit.
00:44:23.920 To me, it's like – that's, like – they're, like, some very rudimentary, like, con artist shit.
00:44:31.440 Like, just these claims that they know what's going to happen in the future.
00:44:35.300 And they're wrong about it constantly, like, just constantly wrong.
00:44:39.920 What is it?
00:44:40.160 Someone sent me the other day screenshots of it and Matt's, like, Trump will be inaugurated or whatever.
00:44:44.880 Like, I don't fucking know what they're talking – and at least, like, I understand, like, I, like, you know, speak above my pay grade too, I'm sure.
00:44:52.180 But I don't claim to have this level of fucking certainty about what the future will hold or we are in the forthcoming chapter and that's why this will be this way in the future.
00:45:03.120 Shut the fuck up.
00:45:04.500 I understand you read The Art of War six months ago and now you feel like you know everything, but you really fucking don't.
00:45:12.760 Like, you're not fucking smart – they're literally only one level – all right, fine.
00:45:18.880 Four levels above Archie Flower.
00:45:21.760 Like, they really are – like, the same way when Archie was, like, trying to go, like, you know, the non-aggression principle is violated by racism, that, like, dumbass argument he was trying to make,
00:45:33.480 like, where you go, hey, Archie, if you're right about this, then you are up there with the greatest philosophers who have ever lived.
00:45:43.900 Like, if you're right about this, then you're the next great libertarian philosopher.
00:45:49.740 What do you mean if?
00:45:51.720 But the problem is that you have a sub-average IQ.
00:45:57.900 Like, you're not even – like, you're not even, like – like, you're not even a bright guy by normal people's standards,
00:46:06.260 let alone smarter than Rothbard and Hayek and Hoppe and fucking all these guys, right?
00:46:12.340 So, you're like, you're not, but you're trying to be this.
00:46:16.920 Why is there a butt plug on Dave?
00:46:18.620 It's a fucking jack, you pieces of shit.
00:46:21.580 They talk about it on being an escape.
00:46:23.580 Okay, listen.
00:46:24.620 It's a jack.
00:46:25.320 Now, could you shove it up your butt?
00:46:27.080 Sure.
00:46:27.740 If you really – if you were in a pinch, yeah, sure.
00:46:30.600 I think the solution here is for Vin or Cyprian to become a gay gigolo again and fuck Archie,
00:46:37.840 and then that would solve many problems.
00:46:38.820 No, obviously the answer is Vin and Matt go on Fakertarians.
00:46:42.780 Oh, yeah.
00:46:43.140 That's true, yeah.
00:46:43.520 I'd love that.
00:46:44.320 That would be awesome, actually.
00:46:45.360 That would be amazing, actually.
00:46:46.560 I want to hear them argue about taxes aren't bad, just make more money.
00:46:50.800 That would be still my favorite fucking –
00:46:52.800 By the way, it's not – even that whole dumb thing, it's so annoying because it becomes this fucking, like,
00:46:58.420 almost, like, argument that they're trying to go, well, no, but, like, yeah, really, life is better if you make more money.
00:47:05.600 I know.
00:47:06.640 No one was ever arguing that it's better to be poor than have money.
00:47:12.140 Like, yeah, obviously.
00:47:13.760 The point is that the shit we talk about, the liberty shit, that is not at all an answer to it.
00:47:20.020 Of course, listen, I fucking – I, like, recommend to everyone try to be as successful as you can.
00:47:27.980 By the way, far more important than that to me is fucking find the right fucking person and marry them and have some kids.
00:47:36.780 Like, you know, I know, like, Jason Stapleton went in this whole, like, direction of, like, wealth, power, and influence,
00:47:43.260 and I don't hate him at all for doing that.
00:47:45.080 That's fine, and I don't hate anyone.
00:47:47.400 I don't hate agorists or liberty republicans or any of those people.
00:47:50.500 Like, I – you know, I don't know.
00:47:52.020 Wait, is there someone in here that's agorist?
00:47:53.180 Well, I was – I was going to say all Matt really is right now is an assistant to somebody who ditched his entire family, so.
00:48:00.680 That's not good.
00:48:01.560 I don't want to even, like, talk about that shit because I don't know.
00:48:08.220 I don't know what the story there is.
00:48:10.380 Neither do I.
00:48:10.900 But I will say that if you could fucking – like, no exaggeration, and I bet all of you guys who have kids here say this too.
00:48:20.260 If you could offer me – well, if you could offer me $100 billion or fucking be present in my kid's life, it's not even a thought.
00:48:30.080 It's not even a fucking thought.
00:48:31.820 Like, I'd take 30 Gs a year over fucking $100 billion.
00:48:38.000 I thought you were going to say you take them on it.
00:48:41.280 Well, I'm saying, you know.
00:48:42.740 Like, I mean, but you know what I mean?
00:48:44.440 So, like, what really is –
00:48:44.540 I'd take 30 Gs a year and not be in my kid's life.
00:48:50.120 Dude, I do want to say –
00:48:51.420 So, like, what is really power?
00:48:53.360 What is – you know, like, what does that really mean to you?
00:48:55.740 What does wealth really mean to you?
00:48:57.260 And so, I'm not against any of that shit, but all of that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
00:49:04.360 What we're talking about is, like, the evil of fucking the state and the beauty of liberty.
00:49:09.580 And that's fine.
00:49:10.340 If you don't want to talk about that shit anymore, then fine.
00:49:12.700 Don't.
00:49:13.220 But just, like, beat it.
00:49:14.860 Leave me alone.
00:49:16.160 Let me say real quick too that, you know, I essentially live the lifestyle that Matt and Jason espouse.
00:49:24.740 You know, I'm a successful entrepreneur that became financially free at a young enough age that I'm now able to migrate to freer places.
00:49:31.700 And that's fine advice, but it ultimately hasn't changed the fact that I'm being labeled a terrorist because I speak out about the government online.
00:49:39.740 So, it doesn't matter.
00:49:41.360 You know, like, maybe I'll be able to hire a better attorney when they come after me.
00:49:44.780 But it doesn't –
00:49:45.840 Clint, just make more money and you'll be fine.
00:49:48.620 Dude, you'll be fine just like McAfee was.
00:49:53.120 You know what I mean?
00:49:53.660 You'll be fine.
00:49:55.120 The thing about the make more money thing, and I see Daniel said something about it in the chat.
00:49:59.640 Daniel W., it's a little bit farther up, is he said, you don't think taxation is theft.
00:50:03.780 You just want more money.
00:50:04.940 That's what he said in that thing.
00:50:07.180 And I could be misquoting and Daniel could be misquoting there.
00:50:09.780 But I do remember the point being – like, I remember thinking he – it did not seem like the point he was making was having more money helps you fight the state until other people said that and kind of assumed that's what he meant.
00:50:21.920 And then he said, yeah, that's what I mean.
00:50:23.840 Having more money makes it easier to fight for liberty.
00:50:25.900 Do you think someone who's homeless could fight for liberty better than someone who's rich?
00:50:28.500 I don't think that was his original point.
00:50:30.960 I just think he glommed on to it.
00:50:32.220 Here's what happens, right, with these guys.
00:50:34.180 And they'll do this shit a lot.
00:50:35.640 And don't get me wrong because I do this shit too.
00:50:37.600 Like if you listen to my show, I do this all the time where I'll go, listen, I want to make my argument.
00:50:42.640 But I'm going to set it up first with like five minutes of like here's what I think the narrative is and the bigger picture is and here's where my argument makes sense, right?
00:50:52.360 Like I do that all the time.
00:50:53.400 I'm not against doing that.
00:50:54.740 But if you'll see that there's that YouTube page, part of the problem, clips, and then there's like a bunch of other people who put out little clips of mine.
00:51:02.740 And they'll just put out the argument, like literally two minutes.
00:51:05.600 And even in those two minutes, I think it always comes across as like pretty clear what my argument is, even without the whole setup, right?
00:51:13.600 But what those guys do is they have this whole setup, which is all about them telling these grand stories.
00:51:20.160 But the stories are always like, listen, you've read three books and I've read the same three books.
00:51:25.160 I know what you're talking about.
00:51:26.760 And this is not the like totality of the universe.
00:51:30.040 It's just you're really interested in these books right now and they're fine.
00:51:34.080 But when you just clip the argument and you'll see that just put out there, the argument is like so astoundingly weak that people are like, holy shit.
00:51:45.220 Is your argument actually that you don't hate taxation?
00:51:48.340 You just hate that you don't have more money?
00:51:50.920 Well, I don't know.
00:51:51.940 I mean, I don't know.
00:51:53.260 I make really good money.
00:51:55.080 Like I'm doing very good for myself.
00:51:57.900 That's not my problem.
00:51:59.040 I mean, sure, I don't like paying the government all that money, but that's not at all my problem.
00:52:04.080 But no, what I what I hate about it is that like, I mean, primarily what they do with the money, you know, like that's really it.
00:52:14.800 The fact that I'm funding like I am actively every year writing a check to fund genocide and like incarceration for bullshit for gun, you know, possession charges or drug possession or dealing charges.
00:52:29.320 I mean, that like drives me crazy or to bail out big corporations.
00:52:32.920 That's what fucking bothers me.
00:52:34.300 You're also funding the enforcers of your own lockdown over the past year.
00:52:37.680 Yes, that's right.
00:52:38.740 And fun.
00:52:39.160 So so all of that is what bothers me.
00:52:41.580 It's not that I don't have more.
00:52:43.660 I have more than any.
00:52:44.780 Like if you went back in my family's history to all the way to the beginning, I have more than any of them.
00:52:50.740 It's not the problem isn't that I don't have more or like it's that what the money is being used to do.
00:52:56.100 And then also the fact that the fucking income tax like destroys people like just you ever hear Scott Horton tell that thing that I love so much that he's like, could you just imagine if like some foreign power invaded and imposed the income tax on us?
00:53:12.260 Like if they invaded and just went, OK, everyone like we didn't have an income tax and then Russia invaded, took over our government and they were like, OK, everyone now you live under the IRS, you know, the USS IRS system.
00:53:26.940 And everybody now there is a fee for production and your Fifth Amendment rights are gone because you're you have to incriminate yourself and then fucking I love you, Drew.
00:53:45.600 I love you, buddy.
00:53:46.720 Get in the basement and fucking write some more shit.
00:53:49.220 Oh, that was top lobster.
00:53:51.020 Sorry.
00:53:51.520 All right.
00:53:51.760 Drew.
00:53:52.120 Drew's the man, by the way, makes great videos.
00:53:54.020 Love that guy.
00:53:54.600 Turn 21.
00:53:55.460 Actually, if someone if someone imposed the income tax on us, you'd be like, this is the most insane shit ever.
00:54:02.320 We'd be ready to die over the shit.
00:54:04.320 But it's our own government who does it.
00:54:05.760 So we just accept it.
00:54:07.260 But so that's what is it?
00:54:08.620 I mean, we the the name of the invader was F.
00:54:12.560 E.
00:54:12.780 D.
00:54:12.960 And they landed in 1913 on our shore.
00:54:15.180 So, yes.
00:54:16.360 Well, now you're going back to some Jew stuff.
00:54:18.140 But the point is, I don't think all of us can take the blame for what a few bad apples did.
00:54:25.020 Now, I have to make the cop defense.
00:54:28.120 It's a few bad apples.
00:54:29.620 All right.
00:54:30.560 Most of us.
00:54:31.860 But anyway, the fucking so the point is like that that's my thing with those guys.
00:54:35.600 And by the way, if anyone I am I am so willing to take on any argument.
00:54:41.140 But if anyone, yourself included, Jose Galison, if that is your Mexican French name, you can tell me what the argument is.
00:54:53.780 Just tell me what the argument is.
00:54:55.920 And I will I will gladly respond to that argument.
00:54:58.440 But just ask yourself, is it actually an argument or is it just an assertion or is it just a fake fucking prophet?
00:55:05.760 You know, like this is what's going to happen in the future because I don't know.
00:55:09.700 Maybe I missed it.
00:55:10.740 Maybe I missed what the fucking actual argument.
00:55:12.900 Forget Vin Chassarion.
00:55:15.560 What does fucking what does Matt have to say?
00:55:19.080 What is his argument against what we're doing?
00:55:22.460 No, you brought up like you legit elaborate on a lot of shit.
00:55:26.060 I said, like I said, on Josh Smith's podcast, Break the Cycle, exactly what I said.
00:55:29.680 They speak in profoundities or profoundities.
00:55:32.300 I forget how it's pronounced.
00:55:33.000 But basically, they say shit that sounds really deep.
00:55:35.140 And then you really like analyze and you're like, it's not that deep.
00:55:37.320 And I actually do think they have decent arguments.
00:55:39.060 But I think they do themselves a disservice.
00:55:41.080 What are they?
00:55:42.420 But I'm just saying, what are they?
00:55:45.340 Can I say?
00:55:47.340 Sure, please.
00:55:49.320 Yeah, because I think that their primary argument is that that following the Mises caucus path, the political path, will be ultimately a waste of energy.
00:55:59.800 And that and that we shouldn't be using it.
00:56:02.460 And that ultimately, you are endangering your followers.
00:56:05.020 Now, I think that's that's an assertion.
00:56:06.740 I don't and I think that's like, right.
00:56:07.940 But that's my point.
00:56:08.500 That's just an assertion.
00:56:09.960 No, I know.
00:56:10.440 I know.
00:56:10.740 Why?
00:56:11.420 Why?
00:56:11.700 I think that there is a fair argument about tactics as to whether or not we should be.
00:56:16.960 I mean, this is the agorist argument.
00:56:18.460 It's like, do you want to use the political realm at all?
00:56:20.620 Do you guys understand that I've been asking now for 15 minutes, what is their argument?
00:56:25.780 And no one's been able to give me anything like I'm not saying that that isn't an assertion that this is a bad tactic.
00:56:33.360 I'm saying, what is the argument?
00:56:36.780 Why?
00:56:37.540 Why is that a bad?
00:56:39.440 Why is that a bad tactic?
00:56:41.140 I understand.
00:56:41.500 Why?
00:56:42.000 Right.
00:56:43.180 No, I'm like, I'm not even saying it like facetiously.
00:56:45.760 Like, why?
00:56:46.460 Without an assertion, I can't answer that.
00:56:49.960 I don't know.
00:56:50.620 I really can't.
00:56:52.020 You tell me.
00:56:53.340 Someone tell me.
00:56:54.300 Because the LP is literally gay would probably be the answer.
00:56:57.820 I don't know.
00:56:58.780 I don't know.
00:56:59.260 I'm not.
00:57:00.140 By the way, Nick, my king, Nick, that is an assertion, but it's a pretty good assertion.
00:57:06.760 It's the most sound assertion I've heard so far.
00:57:10.220 I mean, my biggest thing, though, I just really my biggest thing that I've said multiple times.
00:57:14.100 And I'll admit that when we're talking about tactics, it really is just a matter of like, I try my best to come from a spot of not.
00:57:20.220 That's not me, right?
00:57:20.920 That's you guys.
00:57:21.780 What's up?
00:57:22.200 What?
00:57:22.720 What?
00:57:23.400 What's going on?
00:57:23.920 We got some weird audio shit.
00:57:25.540 Was that me or you guys?
00:57:27.020 I don't know.
00:57:27.460 I lost you for a second.
00:57:28.740 What?
00:57:28.960 You scared me.
00:57:29.960 What's going on?
00:57:31.640 Okay.
00:57:32.140 Now I hear you.
00:57:32.780 What were you saying?
00:57:33.180 Okay.
00:57:33.360 Your biggest thing is what?
00:57:34.440 And I want to preface this.
00:57:36.180 I always try to come from a spot of being like, I'm not coming from a spot of assertitude.
00:57:39.960 I just think that there's a certain way, reason why the LP is the way it is.
00:57:44.520 And it's probably just going to revert back to the way it was in the end.
00:57:47.740 And so I just, I kind of think it's a fool's errand and I might be wrong.
00:57:51.660 I genuinely always try to come to the spot.
00:57:53.380 I could be fucking wrong, but I think tactically speaking, there are better ways to engage.
00:57:58.300 And, but I don't fucking know.
00:57:59.480 I do have a, I do have a interesting question for you because, uh, you know, Sarwak has,
00:58:06.040 has asserted that, that ultimately he's handing the keys to people that ultimately don't know
00:58:11.820 how to drive.
00:58:12.400 Or in my opinion, I think it's more likely.
00:58:14.620 And I, and I have actually been disappointed by this is that as the Mises caucus appears
00:58:18.520 to have taken, you know, the steering wheel, um, or it's in route to happening that I have
00:58:24.580 seen many people that I thought were in your camp kind of fall to the wayside.
00:58:29.400 Do you think this is, this is a product of people that simply want to bitch and that
00:58:34.540 don't want to actually have any, um, any work to be done?
00:58:39.800 Or what do you think about that?
00:58:41.620 Um, so, okay.
00:58:42.760 First of all, Sarwak didn't hand the keys to anyone.
00:58:46.000 We fucking took that shit.
00:58:47.440 Yeah, that's right.
00:58:48.240 All right.
00:58:48.840 He lost.
00:58:49.620 I mean, that's just the reality of it.
00:58:51.240 It's not like he went, Hey, you guys take a shot.
00:58:53.340 We, we fucking yank them shits from them and fucking they're ours now.
00:58:58.620 And yeah, you know, we're, we're in, if you look at, I mean, you could look at all these
00:59:04.120 little like details or, or people who have said this or that, if you look at the bigger
00:59:08.340 picture and what we're in the middle of doing, we are fucking doing this.
00:59:13.800 I mean, like everything that I said was going to happen with this party is happening to a
00:59:19.040 way that couldn't have been more fucking, you know, yeah, he didn't, he didn't get it.
00:59:25.040 Oh God.
00:59:25.940 But that's, but, but I mean, could it have been more accurate?
00:59:29.700 What I told you guys was going to happen with this fucking party.
00:59:32.760 So now that it's fucking happening and we're taking it over and all this shit, now people
00:59:37.680 are going to start like going like, well, I don't know if this is the route or start
00:59:41.040 bitching or going in different directions.
00:59:42.580 Like, okay, there's going to be some of that.
00:59:44.520 But the Mises caucus as of right now, I believe is dominant in 51 States or, uh, 51.
00:59:52.540 I'm doing a lot of meth.
00:59:58.700 Get the fuck out of here.
01:00:00.460 26 States.
01:00:01.380 DC, are you going to stay?
01:00:02.680 What the fuck?
01:00:03.260 So 51% of the fucking States.
01:00:05.680 Oh, that's where the 51 case is.
01:00:07.340 I'm sorry.
01:00:07.980 Despite making up 13% of the LPD, the Mises caucus has taken over 51% of the States.
01:00:14.560 There you go.
01:00:15.660 There you go.
01:00:16.380 It's 52.
01:00:17.080 So, this is an excellent.
01:00:19.280 We're, I mean, like, we're really like on the verge of taking this shit over and, and
01:00:24.480 really making this into like what we want it to be.
01:00:27.220 And I think, and I'll tell you, and I've talked to a lot of people like within the Mises caucus
01:00:32.060 who know that, look, you guys all see what's happening here.
01:00:35.340 How many of the fucking, the loser brigade are quitting.
01:00:38.440 The rest of them are going to fucking quit.
01:00:43.420 I actually just joined.
01:00:45.280 David, this is actually just a campaign promise.
01:00:47.460 It's like, I will get us Israel.
01:00:49.280 The promise lane is coming back.
01:00:50.520 And they'll be a good, and they'll be a good state.
01:00:52.360 They'll play their part.
01:00:53.560 Sure.
01:00:53.880 There'll be a disproportionate domination on the rest of the state.
01:00:58.140 Oh, no.
01:00:59.680 You said it.
01:01:00.620 You said it, not me.
01:01:02.460 Sure.
01:01:02.800 They're like 2% of the population and like 80% of the, anyway.
01:01:08.500 But.
01:01:09.400 He said it, not us.
01:01:10.300 I can say it.
01:01:11.900 That's right.
01:01:12.560 Because I have Jewish.
01:01:13.860 Because you have the hook.
01:01:14.680 Right behind me.
01:01:15.280 Because you're black.
01:01:16.880 That's right.
01:01:17.480 I don't know.
01:01:18.860 I'm the blackest member of this show besides Nick.
01:01:21.360 I am.
01:01:21.660 And me.
01:01:23.660 But so, look.
01:01:25.120 The amount of fucking those people that have quit already.
01:01:28.880 Believe me.
01:01:30.000 They're quitting early.
01:01:31.540 Those are the smart ones who are quitting by now.
01:01:33.960 The rest of them are all going to fucking quit and bail out of the way.
01:01:37.160 Like the real awful ones.
01:01:38.540 And then the rest are going to fall in line.
01:01:40.040 I could already tell you that a whole bunch of people in the Mises Caucus are telling me that everyone else in the party is coming around and kind of being like, hey, so like, I know we were against you before.
01:01:51.260 But like, when you guys win, like, we're all cool, right?
01:01:54.600 Because they all see the writing on the wall.
01:01:56.760 Fucking Nick Gillespie, who I just did, his show, he told me he'd vote for me.
01:02:02.920 Like, he's fucking, he's on board and after the show was done, he was like, look, you know, I know we're in like these different camps, but we should all get along and blah, blah, blah.
01:02:11.000 Like, all these people are coming to the table now because they realize what's going on the same way they did during the Ron Paul movement.
01:02:18.620 I don't know if you guys ever saw when that Elizabeth Nolan Brown lady, who I just like saw this weekend at Freedom Fest.
01:02:26.320 She was cool to my face, but she'd block me on Twitter and stuff.
01:02:28.780 But she was like, oh, the Ron Paul movement brought in all these racists and blah, blah, blah.
01:02:33.680 And then people were sending her her old tweets in 2012 where she was like, the Ron Paul revolution is the greatest thing that's ever happened.
01:02:41.400 Because when it was going on, she didn't want to fucking call it out because that was the energy in the room.
01:02:48.240 So what's going to happen is when we become the energy, everyone's going to fucking fall in line.
01:02:53.420 That's like, or they'll bail and that's fine.
01:02:55.820 That's just as good.
01:02:56.740 But like, that's what's going to happen is that we're going to be the force and everybody else can either fucking bail or, and they don't even, you could be a fucking agorist.
01:03:06.600 You don't have to fucking vote.
01:03:07.840 You don't have to join the fucking party, but you'll at least be the same way you were in the Ron Paul days.
01:03:12.520 At least go, yep, that guy's right about all that fucking shit and let other people know that.
01:03:17.560 Because that's really all this is about.
01:03:19.580 That's all it's about is fucking letting people know what really is up.
01:03:23.720 And it's that liberty shit.
01:03:24.800 I do think there's a fair argument to be had that, that you are bigger than the LP and, and why, why do you need this political vehicle?
01:03:34.280 Because obviously you're going to be able to get on the biggest platforms.
01:03:37.040 Do you think, I mean, without it.
01:03:38.760 So do you think that, that there is value in it?
01:03:42.820 Is there some sort of like professional veneer that is bestowed upon you because you're no longer just a comedian, but you're a political figure?
01:03:50.920 Or what do you think?
01:03:52.060 Well, I don't think it's even a political figure necessarily, but obviously, right?
01:03:56.240 Like by the Misesian deduction, I think it's worth it or I wouldn't be doing it.
01:04:01.900 Right.
01:04:02.240 Clearly.
01:04:02.720 Yeah.
01:04:03.120 Yeah.
01:04:03.320 So, and I, and I'm happy you're doing, I've just, I've heard people ask that.
01:04:06.720 No, I, I, I think it's a reasonable question, but you tell me this and like, honestly, you, all you guys tell me this.
01:04:12.960 Do you think it's like, obviously there's a certain amount of value in me going on Rogan or Tim Pool or whatever Fox news show it is or whatever fucking, you know, show it might be.
01:04:26.160 There's value in that and I can talk, should I talk, do you think there's more value in me going on as the Libertarian Party presidential nominee for like president of the United States getting the endorsement of Joe Rogan and Tim Pool and Dave Rubin and fucking Kennedy and like all these people.
01:04:45.140 Do you think that might get a little bit more buzz going than just a guy on the show?
01:04:51.320 So like, I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not saying it's a given that I get all of those fucking endorsements.
01:04:55.640 I mean, like some of them have already said they're fucking endorsing me, but do you not think that's like more valuable towards spreading the message?
01:05:03.600 Cause that's all this is.
01:05:05.160 And I've, I've maintained this from the beginning, which is what's so stupid about what those two guys were saying that I've maintained from the very beginning.
01:05:11.580 All I'm fucking selling here is a speaking tour.
01:05:14.560 And by the way, I'd really rather not do it.
01:05:17.600 I wish there was someone else who could fucking just do it and do it better or as good.
01:05:23.600 I would love to fucking back out.
01:05:25.640 But you tell me who the guy is.
01:05:27.420 You tell me who else is going to fucking do it on that level and then I'll support that fucking person.
01:05:32.880 But so I think, I think to ask the question answers the question.
01:05:35.500 Of course, it would be more fucking valuable to, to be the guy who's like, oh yeah, we actually now have to compare this guy's values to these other guys.
01:05:46.360 And that's unfortunately the way Americans fucking look at politics.
01:05:50.020 I mean, there is a morbidly obese man that has, that shares your name that could probably take your place if you want.
01:05:55.100 Hey man, I'm already in the LP also too.
01:05:57.600 Dude, I'm dead serious if you want to do it.
01:06:00.240 Hey, hey, I'm too scared of getting that, uh, that reptile coming into my, getting replaced with a reptile before.
01:06:08.480 Yeah, I was going to ask that.
01:06:10.160 I was going to ask that.
01:06:10.740 At what point do you think they replace you with a lizard person?
01:06:13.880 When you get over 5%, you become a lizard.
01:06:16.460 At what point, Jose?
01:06:18.880 How far do you think you have to get before they swap you out with a lizard person?
01:06:21.940 Maybe it's already happened.
01:06:22.780 I think, I think you gotta like fucking, I think you gotta walk that fine line, right?
01:06:27.520 Like, I think, I think basically there's like a line where you're considered a threat and like, they'll really come after you.
01:06:36.120 And we want to walk right up to that line and then bail and then walk right up to the line again and then bail and then right up to the line.
01:06:45.280 But that's it.
01:06:46.200 I think that's it.
01:06:46.940 But not step over the line.
01:06:48.440 Not.
01:06:49.260 I think that's like what a lot of people got to realize.
01:06:51.140 Well, because it's the first time that you won't step over the line.
01:06:53.340 Well, it's a different, it's a different line.
01:06:57.320 It's a different fucking line.
01:06:58.380 That's true, that's true.
01:06:58.600 You know?
01:06:58.860 You want to be a fucking lizard person?
01:07:00.840 No.
01:07:01.600 I really don't.
01:07:03.080 I don't even get to be a lizard person.
01:07:04.740 I'm just trapped in some lizard body somewhere where a lizard person comes home and has sex with my wife or whatever.
01:07:10.300 You know, I don't want to fuck it.
01:07:11.680 You get to live Nick Sarwak's life.
01:07:14.280 Yeah, exactly.
01:07:16.020 Somewhere there's a guy, Nick Sarwak, trapped in a lizard person who's like, I'm a really good dude.
01:07:21.220 Like, come on.
01:07:21.840 And I just walk into his hotel every night and bang his wife.
01:07:26.000 I think Nick Sarwak just pays somebody to bang his wife and let him watch.
01:07:30.280 How do you think I retired so young?
01:07:33.220 Everybody's asking in the chat, it's squirt piss.
01:07:36.840 Even that, that's another psychological one who I do not understand, man.
01:07:40.760 Like, why do you want to?
01:07:41.960 You know, I saw him at Freedom Fest, like at a couple different things.
01:07:46.640 And I saw, he was at my comedy show.
01:07:49.580 Yeah, and I just like see him there.
01:07:51.480 I'm like, what are you doing here, man?
01:07:53.520 Like, what are you, why are you here?
01:07:55.640 Why are you at my show?
01:07:57.880 He's just, he's just like, I would never go to your show.
01:08:00.580 You know what I mean?
01:08:01.180 Like, why are you at my show?
01:08:02.320 And then the weird thing is that it's almost like with all these guys, like you guys could just stop.
01:08:09.940 It would be fine.
01:08:11.100 You could just stop and none of us would ever care again.
01:08:13.960 Like, or you could just stop and literally, like, say one thing like, eh, I shouldn't have done that.
01:08:18.900 And we'd all be cool.
01:08:20.600 Like, it doesn't fucking matter.
01:08:21.720 Why do you want to be this person?
01:08:24.080 That's the thing with, like, that, that, um, what's his name?
01:08:26.860 Uh, Hudak guy.
01:08:28.540 Like, who is, I will say, Nick, on the show you were at there, right?
01:08:32.400 Amongst them, he's the smartest.
01:08:35.680 He's gotta be.
01:08:36.620 Like, amongst that group.
01:08:37.900 He's a Rhodes Scholar compared to the.
01:08:39.440 That would be so funny if he's the dicksness of the Loser Brigade.
01:08:43.180 He was smart enough not to open his fucking mouth the whole time.
01:08:46.680 I'll tell you that.
01:08:46.920 Well, he didn't, he didn't say much, but he has, so I don't think necessarily he's, like, stupid.
01:08:54.640 I mean, he's not, like, impressive.
01:08:56.220 Like, he's not like a, oh, this guy's got a real mind or something.
01:08:59.260 But he's not, like, an idiot.
01:09:00.300 Like, he's, you know, in the middle somewhere of the, you know, the bell curve.
01:09:05.580 But he has this personality thing where what he, when he got hurt, which basically is what happened, by the way, is the whole story with them, is that he got real hurt.
01:09:17.420 Because I brought him on my show, and it was the biggest thing he's ever been on in his life or ever will be on.
01:09:23.100 And he didn't do good.
01:09:24.560 Wait, Hudak?
01:09:25.640 Yeah, he was on part of the problem.
01:09:27.120 I was going to say, Dave, you're associating with those people?
01:09:29.220 What's wrong with you?
01:09:29.840 Well, that's, but that's what happened.
01:09:31.280 Literally, that is the association I feel the most guilty about.
01:09:34.280 It's Hudak and Archie.
01:09:35.840 I don't care less.
01:09:36.720 I didn't know that.
01:09:37.700 I'll have Fuentes on again tomorrow.
01:09:39.600 I fucking got Brett having those guys on.
01:09:43.280 But, so, he was talking a lot of shit about me.
01:09:46.380 And it was because I called Stefan Molyneux the great Stefan Molyneux.
01:09:50.080 And then Heiss and I believe Josh Smith both recommended him.
01:09:55.040 They were like, no, he's a decent guy.
01:09:56.380 Like, have him on the show.
01:09:57.460 And just like Archie, we had him on the show.
01:09:59.080 And it wasn't, like, hostile.
01:10:00.220 Like, I just had him on.
01:10:02.380 And he just didn't do good.
01:10:04.220 He just did.
01:10:04.780 He did a really bad job.
01:10:06.240 Like, he was, he tried to argue that I shouldn't have called Stefan Molyneux great.
01:10:10.280 And I was like, well, here's why I think he is kind of great.
01:10:13.040 Like, he's done more than, you know, you guys will ever do.
01:10:16.060 I mean, I didn't say it like that.
01:10:17.280 But to this day, their criticism is always like, well, look who Dave's attracting to the Liberty Movement.
01:10:22.620 And it's like, well, you guys are attracting no one.
01:10:26.040 So, like, what do you have to criticize anyone else for attracting anyone to the Liberty Movement when you attract no one?
01:10:36.700 Literally.
01:10:36.860 I still don't understand, like, I still don't understand why they, like, they'll attack Stefan Molyneux.
01:10:42.080 Lou Rockwell, I still can't get why.
01:10:44.700 Like, it doesn't make sense to me.
01:10:46.660 Because he rightfully said that black people don't play hockey.
01:10:50.060 He hated Mighty Ducks 2, man.
01:10:51.800 What the hell?
01:10:52.600 Well, listen, by the way, I fucking, I haven't even, like, fucking read the Mighty Ducks article.
01:10:59.120 But it's so funny when they think they're fucking, like, criticizing.
01:11:02.480 Lou Rockwell, by the way, who has fucking 40 years of writing the most impressive fucking libertarian shit that's ever been written.
01:11:12.420 And started the Mises Institute, which has kept the ideas of Mises and Rothbard and Hoppe alive.
01:11:18.680 Unlike any, like, literally, just a hero, an undeniable hero in the Liberty World.
01:11:24.140 Like, if you call yourself an ANCAP and don't have respect for fucking Lou Rockwell, who kept Murray Rothbard, the guy who coined the term ANCAP, his ideas alive.
01:11:37.020 You don't have, like, a little bit of respect for that guy.
01:11:39.480 You're just a fucking punk ingrate.
01:11:41.520 Like, I don't know what to tell you.
01:11:42.920 Like, you're literally, I mean, Hudak, that guy, even said when he came on my show that he identified as a Rothbardian.
01:11:49.440 So, you identify as a Rothbardian, or he called himself, like, an old Rothbardian or something.
01:11:55.280 Like, okay, but still, who kept all of their writing alive?
01:11:59.640 Fucking Rockwell did, right?
01:12:01.140 And you're telling me that he wrote one article in the 90s that was about the Mighty Ducks, which I really, I haven't read that.
01:12:08.620 But I've read so many of them.
01:12:09.580 You really shouldn't.
01:12:09.600 It's pathetic.
01:12:10.820 It's pathetic.
01:12:12.040 It's just an old man.
01:12:13.240 It's just an old man complaining.
01:12:14.620 It's all it is.
01:12:15.280 Well, what is his, well, hold on.
01:12:17.880 I'll go even a step beyond that.
01:12:19.240 Is his complaint that they were pushing fucking women in sports and minorities?
01:12:24.300 No, it was minorities.
01:12:25.480 Minority.
01:12:26.400 Diversity.
01:12:27.100 It was a diversity thing.
01:12:28.140 In hockey, which is fair.
01:12:28.760 In hockey.
01:12:29.320 They were like, there's so many.
01:12:30.680 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
01:12:31.260 Basically.
01:12:32.380 So, you're telling me that essentially Lou Rockwell in the 90s was complaining about the trend of wokeism?
01:12:40.800 You're telling me that he was 30 years ahead of the curve?
01:12:43.680 Yes.
01:12:44.220 That's what you're telling me is his great, like, failing?
01:12:48.120 That he fucking nailed it?
01:12:49.840 That he fucking nailed it 30 years before this was a thing?
01:12:55.240 That he was like, you know what?
01:12:56.360 They're really trying to push some anti-white shit and cram, like, this fucking weird equality into everything?
01:13:03.420 Dave, if you're not following Ace Arcus, you need to follow him.
01:13:06.220 He's one of the best guys on Twitter that you will ever find.
01:13:08.920 I swear to God, follow him at Ace underscore Arcus.
01:13:12.840 Do it.
01:13:13.200 Totally not a huge accent.
01:13:13.720 I don't need to do shit, man.
01:13:15.300 You do.
01:13:16.280 I demanded of you.
01:13:17.680 Fucking tell me what I need to do.
01:13:18.460 I am no longer an ANCAP.
01:13:20.800 I'm a monarchist and you are all my subjects.
01:13:23.180 That's true.
01:13:24.100 And I am.
01:13:24.880 I am one of them.
01:13:26.020 But if you're like, okay, maybe there's some shit in that article that I don't fucking agree with.
01:13:30.480 I don't know.
01:13:30.740 Yeah, I thought it was silly.
01:13:32.060 It was kind of silly.
01:13:32.760 It is kind of a complaint about that there was a lot of minorities in a hockey team in Canada, I think, right?
01:13:40.100 And the bad guys were white.
01:13:41.760 That's what it was.
01:13:42.340 The bad guys were white and the good protagonist team was a bunch of minorities.
01:13:46.220 The fact of the matter is –
01:13:47.340 You know what?
01:13:47.720 I might agree with them.
01:13:49.360 I don't know.
01:13:50.020 I'd have to go back and –
01:13:52.160 Black people don't play hockey.
01:13:54.020 There's like one in the NHL.
01:13:55.840 Honestly, though, I don't fucking care.
01:13:58.980 Like, read fucking – I don't know.
01:14:01.440 Like, read fucking Against the State.
01:14:04.280 Mein Kampf.
01:14:05.080 Oh, sorry.
01:14:08.280 Read Against the State, An Anarcho-Capitalist Manifesto.
01:14:13.140 Tell me what problem you have with that fucking book.
01:14:15.900 Tell me what any of those guys have fucking contributed that is a fraction to what that is.
01:14:22.180 So, you know, I don't care.
01:14:24.200 Like, I don't care if someone wrote one fucking book.
01:14:26.440 That's true, by the way, Lobster.
01:14:27.320 Malice put – Ace's quote is the Constitution is a gun-free zone sign for conservatives.
01:14:33.600 Malice put that in the anarchist handbook and didn't give credit.
01:14:37.280 It's an IP violation right there.
01:14:38.760 But –
01:14:39.320 It was a courtesy thing.
01:14:42.460 If Ace didn't want to have his name in there, maybe Malice didn't want to put a Twitter handle just because it doesn't look professional.
01:14:47.760 Anyways, we should ask.
01:14:48.320 Let me just say – let me say – I'm not sitting here today if not for Lou Rockwell.
01:14:52.800 My dad put me on Lou Rockwell in, like, the early 90s, and that shit totally changed my life.
01:14:58.100 So –
01:14:58.320 Dude, yeah.
01:14:58.760 No, so anyway –
01:14:59.780 So, well, just to get back to, like, the whole thing.
01:15:02.880 Like, so, what fucking – anyway.
01:15:04.720 Malice had permission, he says.
01:15:05.940 Okay, good.
01:15:06.860 Well, there you go.
01:15:07.520 That's good.
01:15:09.100 Thank you for clarifying it.
01:15:10.340 The whole thing was, right, like, I had that dude on my fucking podcast, and he just did a really bad job.
01:15:15.920 It just didn't go good.
01:15:17.200 And so he was –
01:15:18.340 It was where a white leader.
01:15:19.260 Yeah, maybe he was.
01:15:20.300 I don't remember.
01:15:21.240 But so he was in the Mises Caucus at the time, and everyone was trashing him in the Mises Caucus.
01:15:27.840 Like, they were like, dude, that was your big opportunity, and you fucking blew it, and you, you know, like, fucking – it was just awful.
01:15:35.440 And he just – he had nothing.
01:15:36.660 Like, we argued about immigration for a little bit.
01:15:38.520 And just like, Nick, when you were on the show, like, they are – they have nothing.
01:15:42.220 They haven't read anything.
01:15:43.800 They don't understand anything.
01:15:45.160 And he's the smarter version of those guys, and he has nothing.
01:15:49.080 And so everyone was fucking shitting on him.
01:15:51.200 And I posted to call them off.
01:15:54.060 I was like, guys, stop shitting on him.
01:15:56.020 He had the balls to come on.
01:15:57.500 Like, whatever.
01:15:58.300 We're cool.
01:15:58.920 It's not a problem.
01:16:00.380 And then fucking he left, and he claimed it was like – like, he claims him bullshit.
01:16:08.520 And yeah, I get it.
01:16:10.360 I get what you did.
01:16:11.200 It was bad.
01:16:11.880 By the way, it was one of those episodes where I just rolled the dice, and I was like, eh, I don't know.
01:16:15.960 Heiss and Josh Smith said he's cool, so I'll have him on.
01:16:18.600 I don't usually have people on who I've never, like, heard of or watched on some thing before.
01:16:22.880 And he was really bad.
01:16:24.160 And, you know, whatever.
01:16:25.020 That was it.
01:16:25.580 It was an episode that wasn't good.
01:16:26.780 And then afterward, people were shitting on him.
01:16:30.220 And then he, like, picked a thing.
01:16:32.560 Like, one other guy said – I think some guy posted, like, Europe is for Europeans.
01:16:38.080 And he was like, that's it.
01:16:39.340 That's my line.
01:16:40.280 I'm leaving the caucus.
01:16:41.420 But it was like two days after all that shit went down.
01:16:43.680 Like, it was obvious.
01:16:44.400 It wasn't about this.
01:16:45.420 It was about everyone thinking you suck, you know?
01:16:47.980 And so he fucked – and then he left and then just went on the war path, like, against me.
01:16:53.440 And all of the complaints are always just so fucking lame.
01:16:57.100 Like, literally to this day, what they have is that I podcasted with three people they don't like, and I was too nice to them.
01:17:04.880 That's the argument to this day.
01:17:07.680 Like, it's just – it's all so fucking ridiculous.
01:17:11.280 And anyway, so he reverted.
01:17:14.220 It's not even that he's so dumb.
01:17:15.760 He's not, you know, impressive or anything.
01:17:18.940 But the thing is that he's got a personality thing that's very weird that he reverted to, let me be, like, the hall monitor.
01:17:30.600 Like, he really has, like, a thing in him.
01:17:33.160 Like, he was that guy as a kid, and he is that guy now that he's like, I'm going to be the fucking hall monitor who takes notes and will report back to the teacher what everyone did wrong while they were in the hall.
01:17:45.500 Except that the teacher, like, in this case, doesn't care.
01:17:49.160 The teacher is the fence.
01:17:50.820 Yeah, right.
01:17:51.780 Yeah.
01:17:52.260 The teacher is the liberty movement, and none of them care.
01:17:56.660 He's got the same energy as Jake Flores.
01:17:59.500 Yes.
01:18:00.100 Like, he's literally coming back, but he's like a guy who's offended by fucking edgy comics.
01:18:05.780 You don't even watch Legion of Skanks.
01:18:06.560 Jesus.
01:18:07.040 You should.
01:18:07.340 You should check it out.
01:18:08.020 The last bit I watched was the one with the prostitute for retarded people.
01:18:11.720 That was pretty, pretty classic.
01:18:13.220 Wait, we're ripping off Legion of Skanks and you fuckers don't watch it?
01:18:15.900 That was a real thing.
01:18:18.760 Not all the time.
01:18:19.340 But imagine, right?
01:18:20.660 Like, imagine keeping notes of what everyone, every kid did in the hall, you know, when you're like, well, I came back.
01:18:27.060 And at 4.15, this guy said, bitch.
01:18:30.000 And at 6.15, this guy cut in line and blah, blah.
01:18:32.260 And then the teacher doesn't care.
01:18:34.760 Like, the teacher's like, I don't care.
01:18:36.040 I don't know if this means anything to me.
01:18:37.080 And you just keep going with your notes and notes and notes.
01:18:40.120 And that's what these guys are doing.
01:18:41.760 It's like very weird.
01:18:43.180 It's very odd behavior.
01:18:44.480 Hey, boot that just cat from the chat, please.
01:18:47.060 I have no idea how.
01:18:48.280 You don't know how.
01:18:49.260 Jesus Christ.
01:18:49.940 What did he say?
01:18:50.600 Oh, God.
01:18:51.960 Niggers and faggots need to die.
01:18:53.520 He's just spamming the chat with it.
01:18:55.960 Dave.
01:18:56.500 Hold on, hold on.
01:18:57.400 Hold on.
01:18:58.480 Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.
01:18:59.740 You may have a point.
01:19:00.440 Let's hear him out.
01:19:02.580 It might be a fellow traveler.
01:19:05.280 You never know.
01:19:06.260 It's like, where are you going with this?
01:19:09.080 That's an assertion, but he may have an argument behind it.
01:19:11.620 I don't know.
01:19:12.700 Hey, man, he's just a new Rothbardian, man.
01:19:15.380 He's a David Duke Rothbardian.
01:19:19.000 Toad, I know you have questions, brother.
01:19:21.500 You better fire.
01:19:22.760 Yeah, we got to.
01:19:24.660 Yeah.
01:19:25.140 Dave took command of this fucking episode.
01:19:26.760 We had all sorts of plans, and they went to hell.
01:19:29.160 But I'm cool with it.
01:19:30.340 Thanks, Dave.
01:19:32.120 Yeah, well, it's like what happens whenever on the fucking podcast.
01:19:34.140 Now we got all kind of people spamming it into the chat.
01:19:36.300 What the fuck is going on?
01:19:37.860 Oh, God.
01:19:38.720 We could go a little bit long.
01:19:40.920 What do you guys got?
01:19:42.100 I'm trying to deal with it.
01:19:42.840 I'm fine.
01:19:43.280 All right, Dave.
01:19:44.420 Oh, go ahead.
01:19:45.560 Well, mine's kind of long.
01:19:47.460 It's, it's, it's, I have, I've been speaking with some Hoppians, and the founder of Hoppian.org,
01:19:54.520 Jared, wanted me to ask you if you're prepared to deal with, I know you're big on reaching
01:19:59.520 out to, like, left libertarians who are solid on issues like anti-war and whatnot, and civil
01:20:05.060 liberties about drugs and all that.
01:20:06.440 You know, we, we reach out to people who are good on particular issues.
01:20:08.920 That's what we do.
01:20:09.480 Um, but his, he, his point in a lot of the Hoppians that I speak to, their point is the
01:20:15.320 left always subverts, and it happened to Rothbard multiple times.
01:20:18.420 So are you prepared to deal with, like, alliances with lefties going sour if they choose to subvert
01:20:25.920 as leftists are known to do?
01:20:28.700 Yeah, sure.
01:20:29.480 Because that's a big criticism they have of you, by the way.
01:20:31.440 That's just, that's, well, what, but what exactly is the criticism that I will, like,
01:20:36.040 fucking, like, what alliances do you mean by that?
01:20:38.620 Like, to me, I always look at it, and, and Hoppa himself, who, by the way, is the best
01:20:43.780 Hoppian, is Hans Hermann Hoppa, like, like, he, he was nothing but, yeah, but, but no, not
01:20:52.100 by definition, because some people could be a little bit better than their, their original
01:20:55.520 guy, you know, like, but he was nothing, he was nothing but supportive of Ron Paul, and
01:21:03.460 Ron Paul's thing was always like, yeah, coalition on any issue that you agree with
01:21:08.240 them on, and, and that's that, and then keep, like, telling the truth as you see it.
01:21:12.520 So that's all I'm doing, and, like, I don't know exactly what you mean by alliances.
01:21:16.720 Like, look, I'm not fucking retarded.
01:21:18.920 I know, like, what I'm dealing with when I deal with people to the left of me and, and
01:21:23.980 on these issues.
01:21:24.620 But I also hope that people see that, like, there's, there's, like, a real, like, there's
01:21:29.980 a strategy to what I'm fucking doing here.
01:21:32.000 And at least, I hope, I hope you would see that by the results already in the
01:21:36.560 Libertarian Party, and just by the results in, like, my fucking, you know, career, that
01:21:41.300 it's like, I, I kind of know what I'm doing.
01:21:42.780 I mean, I'm not saying I'm, like, the, the fucking expert on all this shit, but I
01:21:47.420 know what I'm fucking doing.
01:21:48.360 And when I reach out, and even, like, the, the Liberty Unity stuff, and, like, all of
01:21:52.960 that, like, I know what I'm fucking doing.
01:21:54.840 And it's not that I don't mean it.
01:21:56.380 It's not like, like, I don't, I'm, I'm happy to work with Justin Amash or Spike
01:22:00.580 Cohen or, like, any of them.
01:22:01.840 I like those guys.
01:22:02.940 And when I first reached out to, like, Reed Coverdale and all those guys, and was, like,
01:22:06.200 hey, let's do this Liberty Unity thing, I, I, I really did want to work with them.
01:22:10.140 I didn't say anything I don't believe, but I also knew what was going to fucking happen.
01:22:15.020 I knew that, like, if I did it this way, that they would see who was who.
01:22:21.100 And that, that I would be the guy who's, like, sure, let's all fucking work together.
01:22:25.240 And then the fucking loser brigade would be flailing, like, no, he's a Nazi.
01:22:29.460 And they would be, like, oh, wow.
01:22:31.180 Yeah.
01:22:31.420 You'd be the nice guy in the situation.
01:22:32.680 He's the reasonable guy.
01:22:33.780 Yeah, yeah, I got you.
01:22:34.460 And they're the fucking retards.
01:22:35.540 And, like, so, so that's what I know.
01:22:37.300 And I'll say, I don't fucking, look, man, like, I'm, I'm able for whatever reason, just
01:22:42.560 the way I am.
01:22:43.980 Like, I'm fucking able.
01:22:46.300 I don't know.
01:22:48.680 Bring back Nick's dad.
01:22:51.880 That's probably sleeping, you guys.
01:22:53.540 But, but I'm able, I'm the guy who's able to go on fucking reason, you know, reasons
01:23:00.720 podcast and, like, all these other fucking shows and go on Kennedy and go on all these
01:23:04.600 things.
01:23:04.940 And I still never fucking back down from what I am.
01:23:07.840 Like, I said in the fucking debate with Nick Sarwak, at one point he goes, you know,
01:23:12.460 Hoppe is a bridge too far.
01:23:14.260 And I said, Hans-Hermann Hoppe is a fucking hero.
01:23:17.360 And I stand by that.
01:23:18.900 Like, if you believe in liberty, that guy is a fucking hero.
01:23:21.200 And I don't, so any, you know, by the way, I'm, I'm a fucking like real belief.
01:23:26.600 I think argumentation ethics is like the most brilliant shit I've ever heard in my life.
01:23:30.940 And I've done like three whole episodes on that, just on the fucking philosophy of it.
01:23:35.920 So I'm not like Hoppeans, shut the fuck up and get on board with me.
01:23:40.220 I'm your guy.
01:23:41.720 Let me, let me also say that I agree with Pete Quinones on this, that, that there are
01:23:46.360 people that are living in Ancapistan in their head.
01:23:48.420 And, and oftentimes when people say like, oh, you can't ally with an Ancom.
01:23:53.060 Well, that's not, I do want to say, by the way, Clint, that's not, that's not what these
01:23:56.720 Hoppeans are criticisms of.
01:23:58.000 That's a different thing.
01:23:59.020 They criticize that shit too.
01:24:00.340 Just to like, I don't want any of my buddies.
01:24:02.160 Yeah.
01:24:02.360 I don't want any of my buddies thinking I'm throwing them under the bus.
01:24:04.260 I'm not addressing them.
01:24:05.180 I'm saying to other people, I've got this, this critique where they're like, well, if you,
01:24:08.820 if you ally or if you have a coalition with an Ancom, they'll shoot you in the back.
01:24:12.340 As if we're going to actually get to anarchism in our lifetime tomorrow, that's really a
01:24:16.140 concern.
01:24:16.580 Like, come on, where, where are we?
01:24:19.600 You know?
01:24:20.060 And, and also just to say that, like, fucking right.
01:24:22.920 Yeah.
01:24:23.140 You're absolutely right about that.
01:24:24.580 And I fucking love Pete, man.
01:24:25.860 Like he's just, that's, that's my fucking brother.
01:24:28.200 And I don't fucking care.
01:24:29.340 Like that's, you know, Jewish, not Hispanic.
01:24:32.840 Pete and I talked it out today.
01:24:34.620 We're good.
01:24:34.880 That's my, it's my brother.
01:24:36.420 I mean, you know, I'm saying my people, my lesser brother, but still, but like, I, you
01:24:44.540 know, my thing is like, I think, I think he is right about that.
01:24:48.080 Like to not live in Ancapistan in your head and, and listen to the way Hoppe talks about
01:24:53.260 Rothbard, you know?
01:24:54.600 And like, he's like, Rothbard was just a genius, like genius level fucking.
01:24:59.180 And he was really like that.
01:25:01.120 He was that dude, you know?
01:25:02.820 And I remember the stories about Rothbard, like meeting these fucking and comms and they
01:25:09.220 were like, Oh, you guys are going to debate.
01:25:10.760 And then they just fucking agreed for like 45 minutes.
01:25:13.380 Like, I don't know.
01:25:14.500 Yeah, of course.
01:25:15.460 Obviously if we ever got to the point of anarchy, like, yeah, we'd have some real problems with
01:25:19.860 the and comms, but I mean, I don't know.
01:25:22.040 Yeah.
01:25:22.220 Like Clinton said, that's fucking, that's a whole different, you know, yeah, exactly.
01:25:26.960 Yeah.
01:25:27.200 I gotcha.
01:25:28.660 Yeah.
01:25:28.880 I mean the fucking, with the whole unity shit though, my, my thing I've said from the beginning
01:25:32.480 is like, it's the Frederick Douglass quote, quote, where I'll, I'll unite with anyone
01:25:35.860 to do right and no one to do wrong.
01:25:37.360 And that's, I mean, people like make way too much of the deals.
01:25:38.700 I don't know if you could say unity is fake and gay.
01:25:40.860 That's the Douglass quote.
01:25:42.420 And there's like, it's just, yeah, that's exactly what he said.
01:25:46.460 But no, it's like, it's just so silly.
01:25:47.900 Cause it's like, I, I, if you're saying Alliance and by Alliance, you mean that, Hey, when they're
01:25:52.160 doing dumb shit, I'll just shut the fuck up.
01:25:54.220 Then no, not cool.
01:25:55.480 But like, if you're exactly, I mean, it really is as simple as like, I like what you're doing.
01:25:58.960 I like what he's doing.
01:26:00.280 And then when he does something stupid, I don't like what they're doing.
01:26:02.620 And it's really that fucking simple.
01:26:03.820 People make it way more complicated.
01:26:05.260 It needs to be.
01:26:05.760 It's fucking.
01:26:06.320 I completely agree with you.
01:26:08.340 Yes.
01:26:08.900 But yeah.
01:26:09.340 And, and, and right.
01:26:10.580 And right.
01:26:11.320 Ron Paul with Kucin is a great example, but there's like even better examples where,
01:26:15.140 you know, like what it all started with was a Jeremy Todd, who I love.
01:26:18.700 I know you guys fucking have had on too.
01:26:21.080 Is that when he said he was like, do you consider a Justin Amash and Spike Cohen your enemies?
01:26:26.340 And I was like, no, no, of course not.
01:26:29.320 Like they're not my enemies.
01:26:30.660 I, you know, I disagree with them about some shit and I won't bite my tongue about that
01:26:35.140 when I do, but like, no, like those guys are, you know, more or less on my side.
01:26:40.920 And I agree with them like 80% of the time, at least probably Spike like 90% of the time
01:26:45.980 and Amash like 80% of the time.
01:26:48.000 But you know, that's, that's enough.
01:26:50.240 So I'm not like, I don't know.
01:26:52.540 Like if white, if white women were the biggest threat to democracy, then my tagline would
01:26:57.400 not be white women must be stopped.
01:26:59.220 I wish.
01:27:00.120 I wish.
01:27:01.220 They're the biggest, they're the biggest components of democracy.
01:27:04.740 Yeah.
01:27:05.760 I don't fucking, I got nothing against white women, you know, kick him off the show.
01:27:10.300 It's over.
01:27:12.120 Well, hold on.
01:27:13.280 Let me explain.
01:27:14.220 All right.
01:27:14.820 I'm married to an Italian woman.
01:27:16.960 So not exactly white, but I would, you know, but you know, I'd say like there, there is,
01:27:22.700 you know, exceptions to all these rules, but that is, you know, it was a funny thing that
01:27:27.260 they, uh, there was this guy, uh, JW something.
01:27:31.380 Fuck.
01:27:31.840 I'm blanking on his name, but he actually went through and wrote an article taking apart all
01:27:36.960 the quotes that people use against me and putting them in the context of what was actually
01:27:42.420 said in the fucking episodes.
01:27:44.820 So like, which is, it was crazy.
01:27:46.900 Cause I never, I never would have spent the time to do this.
01:27:49.720 And I don't even remember half these quotes.
01:27:51.620 You know what I mean?
01:27:52.160 Like, it's like, I don't know.
01:27:53.140 I do fucking like six podcasts a week.
01:27:55.640 I talk for hours on mic.
01:27:57.520 I don't remember what the fuck.
01:27:58.880 I don't remember what I said this episode.
01:28:01.000 You know what I mean?
01:28:01.860 Like, I don't know.
01:28:03.000 Weaponized autism is amazing.
01:28:04.860 It is.
01:28:05.340 You said the N word a bunch.
01:28:07.400 I have.
01:28:08.440 And I'll tell you, I meant it.
01:28:10.080 But the point is that I do.
01:28:14.400 You said you hate the Jews as well.
01:28:17.000 But so he'd go through these things and they'd be like, oh, you say, cause sometimes I'll
01:28:20.680 see the loser brigade, like give me these quotes and I'm almost like, ah, shit.
01:28:24.080 Did I say that?
01:28:25.360 That does sound pretty bad.
01:28:27.700 But then he went through all of them.
01:28:29.140 And so I guess when I had Christopher Cantwell on the show, I said to him, I go, like he
01:28:36.980 was talking about demographics and how demographics are destiny and all this shit.
01:28:41.820 And if we bring in the wrong demographics, the country is going to be lost.
01:28:44.860 And I said to him, I go, well, look, Christopher, cause he's like, he was a libertarian.
01:28:50.240 Yes.
01:28:50.860 Jake, Jake, you went with that.
01:28:52.420 Shout out Travis.
01:28:53.500 Travis.
01:28:54.220 We need the audience.
01:28:55.920 So I was saying to him, I go, look, man.
01:28:58.820 And he was like a libertarian for a long time.
01:29:00.660 So I was like, look, as you know, even when we had all of the demographics that we really
01:29:06.340 like here, what did we have?
01:29:08.860 We had the progressive error.
01:29:10.180 We had fucking the income tax, the federal reserve, world war one, world war one and two,
01:29:15.420 all these shits.
01:29:16.440 Right.
01:29:16.680 So like, like who really are we going to blame?
01:29:18.820 And what they took out of that was that I said, the demographics that we like, just the
01:29:27.460 sentence, like the, as if I was saying, oh, that's what we want to, when obviously if you
01:29:33.360 listen to it in context, I was making the argument against fucking demographics being
01:29:38.920 the issue because I was saying, look, even when the demographics were all of this, we
01:29:43.840 still led to this, all of the problems that we have today, but all they focused on was
01:29:48.360 the word we, that I said that as if I'm with you.
01:29:51.780 So that's the type of dishonest shit that they do, you know, like it's, and that'll happen
01:29:56.580 over and over again where you're like, dude, you're not even like, even like if you tried
01:30:01.240 to listen to what I say with any amount like of, like, like just be a little bit charitable
01:30:08.560 about it.
01:30:09.620 And you obviously realize that what I was arguing was the opposite of that.
01:30:13.140 And like, yeah, I don't, I don't think that like, I don't know.
01:30:19.520 That's right.
01:30:20.220 But that's the type of shit I'm dealing with is like that.
01:30:22.580 So I don't think, I don't think any of that's fucking true.
01:30:25.440 And also I don't, you know, it's like white women, white men to white men.
01:30:29.920 Listen, if you want to blame anyone fucking, if you want to blame white women, well, who
01:30:34.860 the fuck let white women have a vote?
01:30:41.040 Huh?
01:30:42.660 Who did it?
01:30:43.780 Man, makes a point.
01:30:45.840 Fucking cockroaches, man.
01:30:47.640 A lot of women didn't even actually want it, right?
01:30:50.540 Back in the day.
01:30:51.440 Probably not.
01:30:52.680 Yeah.
01:30:53.440 It's men's fault.
01:30:54.420 Shit.
01:30:55.340 Sometimes if they don't want it, you still got to give it to them.
01:30:57.360 You never know.
01:30:57.780 God damn it.
01:30:58.780 Jesus.
01:31:00.140 All right.
01:31:00.860 Let's bring it back.
01:31:01.380 First off, I want to say congratulations, no, it's a little late on another baby, Dave.
01:31:06.620 Thank you very much.
01:31:07.360 My wife had been considering having a third.
01:31:09.620 We told my kids that like, hey, if they can get along for like a fucking month, that maybe
01:31:13.260 we'll consider it.
01:31:14.200 And like surprise me.
01:31:14.780 How old are your kids?
01:31:16.080 11 and 8.
01:31:16.980 So they're both girls.
01:31:17.620 Oh, okay.
01:31:18.240 So they want another kid.
01:31:19.340 And they're kind of getting that age though, where we don't have a baby in the house anymore.
01:31:21.820 So like, as gay as it is, there's a part of me that has like, it's baby crazy.
01:31:25.140 So, I mean, I don't know if you can identify you.
01:31:27.640 Isaiah is actually a white woman.
01:31:30.420 Dude, fucking kids do that to you.
01:31:32.320 I don't know if you can relate, Dave, but I'm such a faggot now.
01:31:36.480 I'm the biggest bitch.
01:31:38.820 Dude, they destroy you.
01:31:41.220 Dude, I was, when I was at Freedom Fest, I was like little moments literally in the green
01:31:45.620 room backstage, just looking at pictures of my fucking daughter, watching videos, being
01:31:50.940 like, I miss her.
01:31:51.920 Like, it's, it's unbelievable what they do to you, dude.
01:31:54.600 And I'm so excited to have another one because I'd like, my daughter's two and a half now.
01:31:58.860 And I'd look at like pictures of her at six months old, like, and literally get choked
01:32:03.680 up where you're like, she'll never be six months old again.
01:32:06.360 And like, now, now that I got another one coming, I'm like, oh yes, I get to go through
01:32:10.320 all of that again.
01:32:11.500 And it's, yeah, dude, we're real queefs.
01:32:14.720 I know.
01:32:16.400 That's why I tweet.
01:32:17.520 Kids do that to you, man.
01:32:19.080 2021 Dave versus 2012 Dave.
01:32:21.360 Not to make it sad.
01:32:22.440 I want to see that argument happen.
01:32:24.080 Dave just called you a faggot the whole time.
01:32:26.440 I would wreck him.
01:32:28.060 Way more role role.
01:32:29.180 Not to make it sad or tacky, Dave, but I would have just got out of the military and I fucking,
01:32:35.120 when I deployed, I've only deployed once.
01:32:36.940 I was pretty lucky.
01:32:37.940 I was in for 11 years, only deployed once.
01:32:39.620 And the first, when I deployed, my kid was about that age, two and a half.
01:32:43.300 And that was like the thing that fucked me up the most.
01:32:45.180 I have a cake.
01:32:45.580 I had a cake job.
01:32:46.360 It was in the Air Force.
01:32:46.900 It was a joke.
01:32:47.380 But it was still like not being there for like four months with my fucking kids was fucking awful.
01:32:52.480 But anyways, to fucking caveat into what, I mean, I said congrats about the new kid.
01:32:56.780 Me and my wife are considering I have another one.
01:32:58.700 Now, you've been married, I'm assuming, for a little while.
01:33:01.000 What to you constitutes a unit of fuck?
01:33:03.820 Oh, no.
01:33:04.880 So, I thought, it's actually funny.
01:33:07.820 I've had this conversation with my wife.
01:33:09.700 A unit of fuck?
01:33:11.320 What does that mean?
01:33:12.940 At what point is it sex?
01:33:14.660 Yeah, at what point is it considered sex?
01:33:16.400 Is it penetration?
01:33:17.300 Is it ejaculation?
01:33:18.560 This is the Bill Clinton testimony.
01:33:22.020 It depends on what the meaning of it is.
01:33:24.100 Yeah, what is it?
01:33:24.600 Do you remember in a...
01:33:25.780 It sounds very simple, but it has a lot of, like, things can be drawn out of what your answer is here.
01:33:31.000 So, that's interesting.
01:33:32.340 Remember in Seinfeld, they had this question for a while?
01:33:36.060 Yeah.
01:33:36.500 And Jerry's answer.
01:33:37.840 This was such a 90s...
01:33:38.180 My wife just texted me and told me I don't belong in this conversation.
01:33:41.540 Jerry's answer was when the nipple makes an appearance, he considered that sex.
01:33:51.900 That was 90s shit.
01:33:53.340 Like, they really thought sex was anything that has to do with, like, the arena of sex.
01:34:01.560 Like, anything beyond kissing was considered sex to them.
01:34:05.160 So, I don't know.
01:34:05.940 Well, I'm of the millennial generation, and I would say, to me, like, penetration.
01:34:14.080 Like, whenever you've penetrated, that is...
01:34:16.300 The mouth?
01:34:17.380 No.
01:34:17.600 Just penetration.
01:34:18.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:34:19.140 Okay.
01:34:19.360 No, like, penetration of the vaginal, or in Archie's case, anal canal.
01:34:27.020 Women can't have sex by this deduction.
01:34:29.720 That's sex to me.
01:34:31.040 So, there's no such thing as lesbians by this deduction.
01:34:33.180 Unless you're on the strap-on.
01:34:34.800 No, there's no such thing as lesbian sex.
01:34:38.020 Yes.
01:34:38.160 There's not no such thing as lesbians.
01:34:40.400 Lesbians exist.
01:34:41.400 But, yes, they don't actually have sex.
01:34:46.500 But, so, it's not the ejaculation does it for me?
01:34:48.780 Because I know, this is where this actually started.
01:34:50.940 That's crazy, dude.
01:34:52.080 Ejaculation?
01:34:52.440 That's crazy.
01:34:53.500 My wife tried telling me, I put it in the list, and she's like, we fucked.
01:34:56.440 What are you complaining about?
01:34:57.640 I've never made a woman come once.
01:34:59.820 What are you talking about?
01:35:00.760 Let's not say that.
01:35:01.800 If you're going to say ejaculation is the problem, that means you could, like, fuck a chick for, like, 45 minutes and just not come and be like, I never fucked that chick.
01:35:09.980 That's ridiculous.
01:35:10.680 If just the man coming is the criteria, then I've fucked 32 times in one day before.
01:35:19.140 Jesus Christ.
01:35:20.760 Jesus Christ.
01:35:22.100 That sounds rough.
01:35:22.800 If it's ejaculation, then anytime I've had sex with a condom, I've actually never had sex, which is cool.
01:35:28.780 That takes my body count down a lot.
01:35:31.400 We just made Clint a virgin again.
01:35:33.840 There we go.
01:35:35.080 Oh, no, I rarely use condoms, Dave.
01:35:37.100 Yeah, let's say the fact that you think Clint uses condoms is real.
01:35:40.680 Dude, have you ever gone a long period of raw dogging and then go back to condoms?
01:35:46.240 It's the absolute fucking worst.
01:35:47.980 Marriage, like, makes you, like, fucks you up like that.
01:35:50.440 I remember the long period of time just raw, or using condoms, and then I go to raw dogging because I'm married, and I'm like, then you go back to condoms, you're like, what the fuck is this bullshit?
01:35:58.400 Why didn't you go back to condoms?
01:36:00.280 So what are you doing?
01:36:01.100 Dude!
01:36:01.680 That's also, that's why, like, honestly, there's, like, so many reasons, but that's one of why, like, you just need to get married, dude.
01:36:08.220 Yep.
01:36:08.560 That's the fucking problem.
01:36:09.580 Yeah, that's what I want everything, dude.
01:36:11.120 Getting married doesn't fix your finances, though.
01:36:13.140 What's it?
01:36:13.480 I'll tell you this much.
01:36:14.580 No, it hurts.
01:36:15.020 It kind of does.
01:36:15.860 It kind of does, though, dude.
01:36:17.460 I was just listening to your comedy set at Freedom Fest, where you made, you were talking about.
01:36:22.480 Yeah, by the way, they really shouldn't have posted that.
01:36:24.740 They really shouldn't have posted that, because that's not fucking cool, by the way.
01:36:28.260 Oh, okay, my bad.
01:36:29.360 I watched it today.
01:36:31.020 Fat Dave didn't actually watch it.
01:36:32.500 Mike, that's funny.
01:36:35.460 Okay, I'll shut up about it, then.
01:36:37.220 No, it's fine.
01:36:37.740 It was really funny.
01:36:38.280 You did a good job.
01:36:39.160 Thank you.
01:36:39.620 I appreciate it.
01:36:40.720 Don't you dare fucking tell her.
01:36:44.000 Seriously, why did you go back to condoms, Jose?
01:36:46.020 Well, sometimes women have health issues and have to get off birth control.
01:36:50.380 It's like going back to hand jobs in the movie theater.
01:36:53.440 Like, hey, I really want to go back.
01:36:55.040 Let's go do this again.
01:36:56.360 Are you talking about doing the penis and the popcorn surprise?
01:37:02.020 What the fuck is this show?
01:37:05.160 This is the actual show.
01:37:06.720 This is what it was in an hour and a half.
01:37:08.440 It was way serious, and you guys got all fucked up when you got something different.
01:37:12.720 I was not prepared for debates on political tactics.
01:37:17.300 I was, like, already pre-gamed.
01:37:19.940 I was just thinking that maybe fucking can happen between two chicks if one of them has
01:37:25.640 a clit that's big enough that it can penetrate the other one's vagina.
01:37:28.700 Wasn't Jeremy Todd that says a clit is a small wiener?
01:37:32.560 Yeah.
01:37:33.300 Or no, I think he said the opposite, right?
01:37:36.280 That a dick is a huge clit.
01:37:38.340 Isn't that what he said?
01:37:38.960 This is going to be his campaign thing.
01:37:41.480 I don't know.
01:37:43.980 These are deep philosophical questions.
01:37:46.380 Nick, what do the Hoppians think about this?
01:37:49.220 Let me ask my buddy.
01:37:52.180 Fat Dave, do you have any real questions for him?
01:37:55.380 Real questions or just a question?
01:37:58.940 Oh, Brandon's question.
01:38:00.260 Brandon's question.
01:38:00.980 Anyone remember off the top of their head?
01:38:02.040 I'm already a little dosey.
01:38:03.340 It was, would Dave rather fight 100 and...
01:38:06.960 That wasn't Brandon's questions, but...
01:38:09.120 Oh, no.
01:38:09.780 It wasn't that one?
01:38:11.100 No.
01:38:11.740 100 Andy Craig-sized...
01:38:14.640 No.
01:38:15.180 Brandon said waves of six Michael Malises.
01:38:18.200 That's what he said.
01:38:18.900 Wait, what?
01:38:19.600 Oh, that's right.
01:38:20.820 It was, would you...
01:38:21.880 Okay, how many...
01:38:22.420 I didn't catch that question.
01:38:23.680 Hold on.
01:38:23.940 Are you thinking of a different one?
01:38:24.820 How long would you last if there was waves of six Michael Malises and then every fifth
01:38:29.740 wave was a boss of Joe Jorgensen?
01:38:32.660 Joe Jorgensen.
01:38:33.140 Oh, yeah.
01:38:33.700 I don't remember that.
01:38:34.740 Fighting?
01:38:35.060 Fighting, fighting, fighting waves of six Michael Malises.
01:38:39.160 I mean, all right, look, I mean, to be fair, six Michael Malises could, could probably fuck
01:38:45.680 me up, but I will wreck four Michael Malises.
01:38:50.300 Dude, and I feel like any one of us would fuck up one JoJo.
01:38:53.220 Like, fucking, yeah, JoJo's not gonna be a problem, but the six Michael Malises, they
01:38:59.720 will get me.
01:39:00.220 I will say it's BDSM, Joe Jorgensen.
01:39:01.840 Six Michael Malises will get me, but ooh, will there be some hurt Michael Malises in the
01:39:07.320 process?
01:39:07.900 Swap out the malice for Greta to make it make more sense.
01:39:10.660 Six Greta's and then with a fucking Toad.
01:39:12.740 He really, like...
01:39:14.120 I like...
01:39:14.560 What was Toad's...
01:39:15.540 Toad, what was your question that you were gonna ask me about the hard fight?
01:39:18.320 Well, I thought it was kind of not a difficult question to answer, but it was, would you
01:39:23.000 rather fight 100 Andy Craig-sized Nick Sarwarks or one Silverback Gorilla-sized Archie Flower?
01:39:31.040 Was that what it was?
01:39:31.880 Wait, 100 Andy Craig-sized Nick Sarwarks, which are, I think, are they the same size?
01:39:40.980 I have no idea.
01:39:41.520 I've never met either.
01:39:42.360 It was on Twitter and you liked it Dave, so that's what you thought.
01:39:45.760 Or one, oh yeah, okay, obviously one giant fucking Archie Flower.
01:39:51.940 Right, because you could just kick him in the balls or something, right?
01:39:54.080 Fuck him up.
01:39:54.840 He'd literally trip on his way running over to me, like, that's an easy one.
01:40:00.280 Wait, Archie doesn't have balls, though.
01:40:02.160 He would trip and be like, Neo-Confederate.
01:40:06.320 On his way down, he'd be like, Flanta!
01:40:10.240 When did Zombie Bob get in there?
01:40:12.460 Plus, the 100 Sarwarks would have CIA training, so you don't want to fuck with that.
01:40:16.660 I don't know.
01:40:17.580 Have you seen him try to cut down a twig?
01:40:21.160 He's under deep cover.
01:40:23.400 What I've been wanting to ask Dave for a while is, what do you love about Michael Malice?
01:40:28.320 Nothing.
01:40:32.000 No, I love that motherfucker.
01:40:34.180 I don't know.
01:40:34.880 You know what I love about Michael Malice?
01:40:36.560 What I love about Michael Malice is that he is uniquely himself.
01:40:40.100 That's very true.
01:40:40.780 And I think we should all strive to be that.
01:40:43.420 He doesn't fuck around at all.
01:40:45.400 He's just him.
01:40:47.080 And he doesn't care.
01:40:48.080 He's a pure embodiment of Sterner.
01:40:49.200 Yeah.
01:40:49.640 He doesn't like a fucking...
01:40:51.140 He doesn't pander to his fucking audience or anything like that.
01:40:54.840 And the fact that he...
01:40:55.880 He'd probably have 100,000 more followers if he didn't block them all.
01:40:59.160 So I fucking...
01:41:00.060 I respect that shit.
01:41:01.700 He loves the cum gutters.
01:41:03.740 Malice is cum gutters, yeah.
01:41:05.240 When are you going to do a sheath ad?
01:41:10.320 Me?
01:41:11.420 No.
01:41:12.140 Dave?
01:41:13.280 I was like, what?
01:41:14.420 Dave already has, I thought.
01:41:16.440 All right.
01:41:16.940 You guys got any other questions?
01:41:18.180 You guys got any other questions?
01:41:19.380 We're running along in the tooth here.
01:41:21.200 So anybody else got anything?
01:41:22.440 I mean, we could always do the Tower Gang tried and true of dick to ass ratio.
01:41:26.460 But we asked Robbie the fire and he actually showed us.
01:41:29.580 He showed us his ass.
01:41:31.620 I feel like Dave is his ass.
01:41:32.960 Well, not bear ass.
01:41:34.380 You do get a ton of praise about your junk.
01:41:38.400 Is it as impressive as Luis J. Gomez's small dick that he has believes?
01:41:43.120 No, probably not, man.
01:41:44.460 I think he's just fucking...
01:41:45.980 Like, compared to him, it's probably that impressive, you know?
01:41:49.920 I don't think I have that big of a dick.
01:41:52.200 I think I just hang out with a lot of small dick friends.
01:41:54.360 You know, like, that's, uh...
01:41:57.080 Oh, you mean the Liberty Movement?
01:42:00.380 There you go.
01:42:01.280 There you go.
01:42:01.940 You said it.
01:42:03.180 I mean, I don't care.
01:42:04.240 I'm also...
01:42:04.820 I've always been skeptical as to whether or not Dave actually wears sheath, so...
01:42:09.000 Yeah.
01:42:09.480 Oh, yo, I fucking wear them shits.
01:42:11.360 I'm wearing them right now.
01:42:12.240 Oh, shit.
01:42:12.500 His dick's in the pocket right now.
01:42:14.420 Hold on.
01:42:15.560 Oh, shit.
01:42:16.340 This is what we're going to do.
01:42:17.760 There we go.
01:42:19.040 Nice.
01:42:19.440 He has to, like, loop his dick around in the pouch to make a...
01:42:22.120 Yeah.
01:42:23.740 Like a foot by the foot?
01:42:24.340 Look, I'm not saying it's perfect.
01:42:26.100 I'm not saying I didn't have to make some adjustments.
01:42:28.260 But I'm just saying...
01:42:30.120 It's the big dick pouch sheath.
01:42:32.760 I had to hire some Mexican dude who's like, yeah, we can take down that wall.
01:42:38.180 Sure.
01:42:38.660 Move things around.
01:42:39.600 But, you know, I'm saying they are.
01:42:41.280 No, sheath underwear are fucking awesome.
01:42:43.280 There's a few sponsors I have that I'm like, no, they're, like, legit fucking awesome.
01:42:47.920 And they're one of them.
01:42:49.320 How about a percentage of how many...
01:42:52.020 Don't say any ads.
01:42:53.320 Don't say any companies.
01:42:54.260 But what percent of the ads you do are you're like, yeah, this product is bullshit and I will never...
01:42:59.140 I don't actually like it.
01:43:01.400 I, you know...
01:43:03.160 Shit.
01:43:03.800 That's a good question.
01:43:05.260 There's been a couple before that I got that I was like, yo, I really don't like them.
01:43:10.060 But usually then I'd read them, like, one time and fucking not keep them.
01:43:14.600 Like, if I really don't like...
01:43:15.700 I won't, you know...
01:43:16.640 Okay, so you won't sell out.
01:43:18.380 I'm at least in enough of a position where it's like, I'll only, like, fucking...
01:43:23.180 I make them send me the fucking product.
01:43:24.920 I check it out and then I make sure I think there's, like, something to it.
01:43:29.540 Because, you know, otherwise I just...
01:43:31.020 I feel real shitty about that.
01:43:32.940 Good.
01:43:33.320 I got you.
01:43:34.180 Yeah, you know.
01:43:35.100 So, like, almost all the products...
01:43:36.880 Like, I mean it when I say it that I fucking...
01:43:39.360 Oh, I think this is legit.
01:43:41.200 There's been a couple of them where it's like, this wasn't really for me.
01:43:45.020 But I guess they seem like a decent enough, you know, product.
01:43:48.680 Um, but no, I won't just sell some shit that I really don't fucking believe in.
01:43:55.120 I will.
01:43:55.680 They will not be pumping Twitch coin in.
01:43:57.220 Yeah, because it's like, hey, if anybody wants to sponsor us, I don't care if it's adamandeve.com.
01:44:01.060 We'll take it and we'll fucking...
01:44:02.680 Fat Dave has no ethics whatsoever.
01:44:06.300 I'll grift as, like, the best of them.
01:44:09.960 I will keep the Fat Dave Smith title until I fucking...
01:44:13.520 I'll put it on my gravestone.
01:44:15.500 He's got the Summer's Eve commercials coming up next.
01:44:19.340 Oh, dude, Fat Dave and the Summer's Eve commercial would be legendary.
01:44:22.520 Since Magnus was in here, I know he's been pushing the End the Wars stuff, so I wanted to shout them out.
01:44:26.780 They're going to have a big protest later this year.
01:44:28.720 This is Clint reporting live from Childerberg Studios, a.k.a. Liberty Lockdown Podcast.
01:44:33.800 Everybody go around the circle.
01:44:35.400 Nick, give us your plugs, please.
01:44:37.160 Nick Ashley, you can find me at Nick underscore individual on Twitter and at as individual as podcast.com.
01:44:43.140 Anything I ever do will be on there.
01:44:45.680 Toad.
01:44:47.640 At Anarcho Toad on Twitter and this podcast called The Tower of Power Hour.
01:44:51.960 Maybe you've heard of it.
01:44:53.480 Jose Galisson.
01:44:54.620 At Galisson Jose on Twitter.
01:44:56.600 I'm on fucking YouTube.
01:44:58.020 I'm also knowing where audio podcasts are at, basically.
01:45:00.260 No Way Jose is my podcast.
01:45:02.460 Hopefully I can have Dave on next week and I didn't piss him off enough.
01:45:05.580 He really is.
01:45:06.360 In all honesty, Dave is, like, I think it's super cringe having heroes.
01:45:10.100 But if I'm going to have anyone, Dave really is it.
01:45:12.720 I'm going to be talking with him, hopefully, about Anatomy of the State.
01:45:16.280 And he's legit who convinced me to read Anatomy of the State, which made me an anarchist.
01:45:20.000 I was on the fence for forever.
01:45:21.360 I finally read it and that's what did it for me.
01:45:23.380 So it has actually been really special having Dave on.
01:45:25.820 So it means a fucking lot, even though we kind of disagree with tactics.
01:45:29.720 All right, don't be gay.
01:45:31.660 Pull it out.
01:45:32.480 Pull it out.
01:45:33.140 It's okay.
01:45:33.580 What are you?
01:45:34.820 But, yeah.
01:45:35.580 No, fucking go like, share, subscribe, all that good shit.
01:45:38.440 I really am looking forward to having an episode with Dave.
01:45:41.280 Like I said already, this is kind of like in a video game.
01:45:44.180 It's the end of the fucking main story.
01:45:46.260 Anything else after this is fucking exploring the game.
01:45:48.920 So it's kind of big.
01:45:50.560 That was definitely a unit of fuck.
01:45:53.340 Good job.
01:45:53.720 Yes, that was a unit of fuck.
01:45:55.640 Morbidly obese Dave.
01:45:58.860 Yeah, Fat Comic Dave on Twitter.
01:46:00.920 Then also the Tower Power Hour.
01:46:02.640 Coming up, we have Adam Nutter next Monday.
01:46:06.520 And me and Toad are going to rebel with a cause next Tuesday.
01:46:10.140 Is that right, Toad?
01:46:11.520 Yeah, I believe so.
01:46:13.140 And then the following Monday is Shane Scalf on Tower Power Hour.
01:46:18.440 Yeah, so that's our next couple.
01:46:20.500 Yeah, that's the next couple of ones coming up.
01:46:22.360 But it's been awesome having Dave on.
01:46:24.340 This has been like, from the beginning, we were always wondering if we can fucking annoy his ass enough to get on here.
01:46:30.620 We were shooting for episode four after we had Maz Turei on, but we had to wait until 23, but that's all right.
01:46:36.460 Right after, we towered him that first time, and he was just like, don't tower me, you bastards.
01:46:40.720 Oh, yeah, I remember that.
01:46:43.740 It was when I fucking, I was nice to Sarawak, and you guys, I thought the tower thing was so funny.
01:46:49.320 And then you guys towered me, and I was like, you motherfuckers.
01:46:52.040 That was a fun time, fun time.
01:46:55.740 And then, by the way, and then when you guys towered me, like, I thought I was smart, and I was so impressed with the tower thing.
01:47:01.840 And then, like, you guys were saying something, and I just wrote a letter, like a random letter, and then you towered around that letter.
01:47:08.080 Like, you incorporated that to make it a whole new thing, and I was like, these guys are good.
01:47:11.660 Hey, listen, I fucking love all you guys, and I will, of course, I'll be on fucking No Way Jose.
01:47:17.340 Dude, what are you fucking, like, now you made me feel weird.
01:47:20.140 Like, I was just fucking around.
01:47:21.540 Big time you.
01:47:22.160 I was all drunk, and you came at me with serious shit.
01:47:24.540 I'm like, what the fuck?
01:47:26.080 Jose just wants you to hate him more.
01:47:27.820 I thought this was a funny time to, like, come on.
01:47:30.160 You're good.
01:47:30.940 Dude, I fucking love all you guys, and I think what you guys are doing is fucking great.
01:47:35.540 And I think that, you know, man, Nick, you made this point when you were on with Josh, and I was watching that fucking, that stream, because I was, you know, telling you guys you're legends for what you did on that dumb podcast.
01:47:50.740 But when you said it, I thought you made a point, and the way you said it, it was, like, something I thought about a lot, but I thought it was, like, I had never, like, really fucking, like, verbalized it or intellectualized it, like, in that way.
01:48:01.820 Where you were, like, you know, part of what we gotta do here is let people know that this is fun.
01:48:09.760 And, you know, so much of this shit, it's like, and there's a big problem with libertarianism, right?
01:48:14.600 Is that what are we inviting people to do?
01:48:17.500 Like, we're inviting them to be angry.
01:48:20.100 Like, sometimes there'll be people who I'll meet at all these fucking events and at the shows I'm at, and they're like, dude, you made me a libertarian.
01:48:26.500 And I do kind of feel like I'm sorry.
01:48:29.760 What did I do?
01:48:30.700 Like, I just, I made you angry about the Fed when you never would have known about this shit before, or I made you fucking fear it, you know?
01:48:38.380 And, like, what I like about shows like this is that it's like, okay, we can signal to you that we're having fun with this whole thing.
01:48:47.300 Like, yeah, we are angry about all this shit, and we are against all of it, but we're also like, hey, let's, like, have a few fucking beers and be bros and, like, be fucking free.
01:48:56.400 And so I love all you guys for that.
01:48:59.520 I think there's something really important and really powerful to that, to let people know, like, why is it, and this is why all those loser brigade types have been nothing but a recruiting tool for us in the Mises Caucus.
01:49:12.100 Because who do you want to be?
01:49:14.580 Like, do you want to be taking notes right now about who said the most offensive shit?
01:49:19.220 Or do you want to be laughing along with us?
01:49:21.920 Like, which would you rather be?
01:49:24.120 And so I love what you guys are doing.
01:49:25.960 I love the spirit of, like, let's be the ones who are having fun.
01:49:31.700 Let's be the ones who are doing something awesome.
01:49:34.260 Like, just so much of that is, I mean, obviously we have the better arguments and all of that.
01:49:39.120 But why do you think it is that the Mises Caucus is, like, just crushing it and taking over the fucking...
01:49:45.720 God damn it, Danny.
01:49:46.560 You were supposed to be drawing.
01:49:52.180 You just come down in the basement and I'm like, so is the, are the paintings done?
01:49:57.120 And there's just cum everywhere.
01:50:00.240 But you know what I'm saying?
01:50:01.280 Like, who would you, who would you rather be, like, with?
01:50:04.160 Would you rather, like, if you could go hang with fucking, like, Nick Sarwak and John Hudak,
01:50:11.940 or you could fucking hang with, like, me and fucking Clint and Malice and people like that?
01:50:18.900 Like, you know?
01:50:20.360 Like, that's kind of the answer in itself.
01:50:22.040 It's a no-brainer.
01:50:23.560 We're having a fucking party.
01:50:26.260 Yeah.
01:50:26.460 If you just watched Nick on that episode, would you rather be the base god with the fucking king hat and the bandana
01:50:32.760 or the cat-eared psychopath in the bottom left corner?
01:50:35.780 Like, it's an easy choice.
01:50:37.020 Well, Clint, you pointed it out in real life where you went to the regular LP and you were like, what the fuck is this?
01:50:42.820 And you went across the street to the Mises Caucus and you were like, this is way better.
01:50:46.820 This is so much more fun.
01:50:47.880 I was like, these are my people.
01:50:49.040 And you can sense it.
01:50:50.260 I'm telling you, go to any Mises event, you will feel it right away.
01:50:53.220 Like, these are your people.
01:50:54.640 This is where you're supposed to be.
01:50:56.020 And Dave, you gave us a home.
01:50:58.460 So regardless of how good you feel about what we're doing, we're here because of you.
01:51:02.560 So we thank you.
01:51:03.820 Well, I appreciate that, man.
01:51:05.840 And that's kind of part of, like, the whole thing that I'm trying to push is that, like, look, dude, like, I don't know, you know,
01:51:12.820 I don't know if what we're doing is going to work or, like, to what level it's going to work.
01:51:17.980 I really don't know.
01:51:19.240 This is, to me, I think the best thing that we could do.
01:51:21.660 You know, if I had a better thing, then I'd say that's the better thing we could do.
01:51:27.180 And maybe, you know, whatever.
01:51:30.880 I don't know.
01:51:31.400 Maybe someone else has a better thing we could do.
01:51:33.120 But I'll say, I think this is the best thing we could do.
01:51:35.540 And let's at least have some fun along the way.
01:51:38.880 And really, like, fucking, you know, hang out with some cool people and meet some cool people.
01:51:43.000 And let's fucking do it.
01:51:44.520 And let's be fucking predators together.
01:51:48.240 And let's be honest.
01:51:49.160 Whether we succeed or not, we're, these are, in my opinion, these are friendships that will last a lifetime.
01:51:54.800 So, while the ship goes down, we can fucking play some gangster rap.
01:51:59.700 We'll play the violins together.
01:52:01.040 Yeah, that's right.
01:52:01.920 Hell yeah.
01:52:02.600 And I'm happy to fucking do any of your guys' fucking shows.
01:52:05.500 And I'll be, I will be on No Way Jose.
01:52:08.920 And whatever we fucking set it up for in a few days.
01:52:11.620 So, Game of Thrones creates bonds that can't be broken.
01:52:16.940 We're all going to be at Tom Woods 2000.
01:52:22.240 And we wanted to do a live podcast.
01:52:24.640 That's not, I won't, uh.
01:52:26.020 That's like proposing at somebody else's wedding.
01:52:28.280 Oh, damn.
01:52:29.000 I really thought you were going to be there.
01:52:30.620 Unless he's one of the surprise guests.
01:52:32.660 No one's probably around the doody.
01:52:35.020 My fucking, uh, my wife's due on October 13th.
01:52:38.980 So, I'm fine.
01:52:39.400 Oh, hell, okay.
01:52:40.060 Oh, yeah.
01:52:40.840 That's way better than Tom Woods.
01:52:42.660 Yeah.
01:52:43.420 Well, no.
01:52:44.660 It's not.
01:52:45.540 Like, I'd love to go.
01:52:46.600 But my wife's being a real dick about it.
01:52:50.280 She's really insisting.
01:52:51.960 But I gotta be there for this whole.
01:52:53.620 What's funny is just like, you can look at the baby and look at Tom Woods and be like,
01:52:57.240 Oh, they're pretty close together looking, actually.
01:53:00.100 It's not really that different.
01:53:01.480 God damn it.
01:53:02.600 Damn it.
01:53:03.280 But everybody thinks I look like Tom.
01:53:04.900 God damn it.
01:53:05.920 Dude, the time to bounce, though, is right after the birth.
01:53:08.060 That's like the worst time.
01:53:09.080 They're just a fucking potato that shits at that point.
01:53:11.060 That's really it.
01:53:12.520 You can't even do anything.
01:53:14.560 Like, you try to help.
01:53:15.840 You're like, let me do something.
01:53:16.940 And then they're like, I think they want to breastfeed.
01:53:18.700 So, whatever.
01:53:19.820 Just screaming and pooping.
01:53:21.320 It doesn't even fucking smile.
01:53:23.160 So, just fuck it.
01:53:24.200 Fly to Orlando.
01:53:24.880 Well, I'm sure anyone that's watching or listening to this has already subscribed.
01:53:30.380 But make sure you follow him on Twitter, at Comic Dave Smith.
01:53:34.060 We are part of the problem.
01:53:36.120 Yes, we stand with the people.
01:53:37.960 Dave showed the way, but we are unequaled.
01:53:41.040 Thank you for coming on, brother.
01:53:42.180 It was a bless.
01:53:43.420 Follow Ace on Twitter, please, Dave.
01:53:46.040 All right, all right.
01:53:46.780 I will.
01:53:47.360 Just remind me.
01:53:48.100 That's the next Gar the Problem episode.
01:53:51.500 All right, later, fellas.