Ace, El Popo, and the rest of the Tower Gang discuss the origin story of the idea of towering and how it became a thing. Also, Ace talks about the time he called a woman a "bicycle baboon."
00:11:25.720Let's move on before this gets any more stumbly.
00:11:27.600Okay, so something really big that happened over the past week since the last show was the LP Kentucky posted something about the vaccine passports and comparing it to the Holocaust.
00:11:39.800You know, the Jewish, the Star of David, they would sew on the Jews' clothes.
00:11:43.340And, I mean, first of all, I want to mention that they got the fucking thing backwards because they said, what wouldn't the vaccine passport be?
00:11:50.620They, you know, they compared the vaccine passport itself to the Star of David, and it should have been people that didn't get the vaccine should have the Star of David.
00:11:57.460But the spirit was in the right place, as I've been saying.
00:12:00.740And I have a great idea of what all of y'all think of that right now.
00:12:05.280And I know for sure, Toad, I know exactly what you think of it.
00:12:07.480But as for the other three, I've, I mean, I found it glorious.
00:18:38.080The thing that bothers me about – and this is my opinion on the whole vaccine passport thing.
00:18:42.320And I say this about masks too is that they – this never would have been a thing.
00:18:46.960It's not anti-libertarian to say, no, I don't think private businesses should be adopting vaccine passport rules.
00:18:52.160But I don't think it's anti-libertarian because this would not have been an issue had it not been for the state in the first place.
00:18:58.800And so masks also would not have been an issue.
00:19:01.780And I actually want to discuss this because I had put out a poll like a week or so ago that was if you were going into a place of business that asked you to put on a mask, which option would you prefer?
00:19:14.660Would you rather say, no, I'm not putting on a mask?
00:19:16.700Or would you rather say – or would you rather present a fake vaccination card as if to say, I don't need a mask here.
00:19:42.120You can't answer your – not literally answer your own poll.
00:19:44.920But I'm saying my answer – my answer – I had my answer to the question before I posted the question, which is no, I would have refused.
00:19:53.120No, I was just making fun of you because I thought you were saying that your own answer to the poll would have been to not answer it, which is what you block a bunch of people on.
00:21:38.200We just got to make it really fucking hard for them.
00:21:40.500Well, and refusing the mask would do that too because if you have a bunch of people that are all doing it, that's kind of the answer, right?
00:21:45.600No, then you end up as a video on Twitter.
00:21:59.160Yeah, I would probably not wear the mask or what I would do is I would hand them a card, but it would be completely irrelevant to the vaccine just to make it just to be funny.
00:26:24.520But then again, you know, if they want to just abolish the state and then let whatever system actually works take over, I'm fine with that.
00:26:32.620But I still said right because I think the right is more open to this message currently.
00:27:02.200That could be very – that's very ambiguous.
00:27:05.040So when we're talking about, like, the right, especially in America right now, like, those, like, really, really extreme people are a fucking minority.
00:27:14.280Like, you're fascists and you're, like, super nationalists and stuff.
00:27:18.940Most of the right are, like, already conservative, kind of conservative libertarian leaning.
00:27:24.640So, I mean, I would much rather take all those people on the right that, you know, are going to agree with us on some things and then just have those few outcasts that are just kind of out there doing their own thing compared to you go lib unity and then you have to deal with the greens, which, God help us.
00:27:42.400And then diagonal unity, like, fuck tankies, bro.
00:28:06.400For those of you who don't know, we're talking about the political compass and diagonal unity is the unity between the top left, off left, which is like hardcore tanky communists, and bottom right, which is like your anarcho-capitalists.
00:28:21.240So just for those – for the uninformed.
00:29:10.300When they call people who are out there actually breaking a window or carrying a rifle in the street in face of the government, they call them LARPers.
00:29:19.360It's not LARPing if they're fucking there holding a gun.
00:31:51.740So at least with the top left, you can at least respect their, from a Machiavellian sense, you know, these people like, oh, yeah, these people will throw Molotov through, you know, some building and, you know, at police.
00:32:04.880It's like, oh, well, you know, you know, I have to at least respect that more than the, more than the people who just whine and complain all the time.
00:32:12.560And, you know, if the, this is, this is sort of a collapsitarian argument, but it's like, you know, if these, if the top left ever did gain power, maybe that would jolt the top right and the bottom left out of their, you know, their stupor in some sense.
00:32:30.440Well, just for, just to give you guys an idea, the poll got, or 699 votes, we're just going to call it 700 for roundness.
00:32:38.480Diagonal Unity won with 36.2%, Right Unity had 29.2%, and Lib Unity had 34.6%.
00:32:45.920And my answer to the question was, was Lib Unity.
00:32:49.260And I, I'm sure I could be convinced of either of the other two options, but particularly Right Unity, I'm really torn between Right Unity and Lib Unity.
00:32:59.360And the reason I'm torn between that is because, like y'all said, it seems like a lot of the Lib Lefts are very, you know, just LARPers, which does apply to, I mean, it applies to every quadrant, really.
00:33:10.720But you see that a lot with the Lib Left.
00:33:13.300I guess it's probably because there are more of them on the internet than, you know, the other ones.
00:33:19.920But ultimately, the reason I say that is because if you have a legit Lib Left that really hates the state, like, I always reference Emma Goldman and, like, Peter Kropotkin and Guy and people like,
00:33:29.360that, and those people that are legitimately Lib Lefts, if there's somebody that's in the tradition of those, I'm totally down with them.
00:33:37.120And the reason I'm so torn between Lib Unity and Right Unity is because I actually mentioned this recently, is that right, a lot of the right-wingers, at least in today's, like, right-wing iteration,
00:33:52.100Now, this is a complete bias because I consider myself coming from the right.
00:33:56.280So I'm, you know, I'm open to be convinced otherwise.
00:33:59.440But it seems like a lot of people that are on the right seem to have an easier pathway to anarchism or libertarianism, at least in today's world.
00:34:08.300I also, if I can jump in and say something, I think it's actually incredible how, like, how much, like, diagonal unity has spread since that was, like, created by, like, Aaron from Timeline Earth.
00:34:19.560Like, a little less than a year ago or maybe, like, eight months ago.
00:34:25.920And now it's completely spread, which I think is, you know, whether you agree or not, it's pretty substantial of how big it's grown.
00:34:31.960And, yeah, I think, like, the problem is that, like, the bottom left, like, the ANCOMs, as they are, they're not the Emma Goldman types, right?
00:35:38.540It's fairly interesting because I was actually speaking to somebody recently, and they mentioned how Hans-Hermann Hoppe was kind of like a diagonal unity just personified.
00:35:51.900And I haven't read enough leftist or, you know, Marxist literature to know that for a fact.
00:36:00.120Does anybody else have anything to say about that?
00:36:02.720Yeah, read – I forget the title, and I hate it because it's a great article by Hoppe, but Hoppe essentially writes this article on Marxism where he says, you know –
00:36:24.520He's given a speech or two about that at the Mises University or whatever.
00:36:28.400Mises Media YouTube page has what Marx got right as a video, yeah.
00:36:32.660So now that I'm – it's really funny how close the poll was.
00:36:38.380It really reflects how I feel about it.
00:36:40.180It's like it's very, very difficult for me to make a decision, but ultimately, if I'm idealizing the lib left, which is what I am doing, I guess, I would say lib unity.
00:37:20.000Well, I want to move on to another thing here.
00:37:25.360What we were – we spoke about this a lot in the Tower Gang group chat on Twitter, which is very exclusive, and nobody else is allowed to join anymore.
00:38:33.960Because like if you ask – if you say like – if you hear someone say like Jesus was a socialist, then you can just kind of reply with no he wasn't.
00:38:42.880And they really – they usually will like not really fight back.
00:38:46.780But when you get like these like super hardcore boomers that did like 20 minutes of Googling and now they're like a fucking expert on history, they'll be like, yeah, Democrats were real racists.
00:38:57.620And you can counter them with like, well, no, so here's some things.
00:39:02.280And they just like start barking shit at you.
00:49:17.840You know, I actually, I have a friend that is, like, so convinced that that's a man that she actually refers to her as Michael Obama, and I think it's hilarious.
00:49:30.400That's another boomer thing to do, if we're being honest.
00:49:35.640Well, now that we've gotten the polls that I wanted to speak about out of the way, let me explain.
00:49:42.300I went on Spurig out and blocked a bunch of people, including Cap, who is a mutual.
00:49:48.060And the reason I did that was because I didn't just outset, you know, when people, whenever people would say, you know, for example, the, none of the, or I'm sorry, the, what unity do you prefer poll?
00:50:00.260Or the, you know, who would you rather go on a date with poll?
00:50:03.420People would say, neither of these, none of the above.
00:50:05.780It's like, you don't, you're not contributing anything, you fucking idiot.
00:51:25.060And I even had, like, a thing where I took a screenshot of, like, I took four screenshots of all the different replies on the Hillary or Kamala poll.
00:51:43.180But I'm just like, do any of y'all think these were meaningful, clever, or unique replies?
00:51:47.420Like, how are the – you can go and look at all the – I've got, like, 80 responses to that right now.
00:51:51.560You can go and look at all the other ones and see all the other people saying, no, I don't want to date either of these two or shoot me in the head or whatever, some dumb shit.
00:52:05.160But, you know, it's kind of a segue into it.
00:52:06.940I was going to go back to the LP Kentucky stuff because one of our – so we had a bunch of towers this – well, I mean, we always do.
00:52:14.880But I got, you know, super autistic at this point, and I have a spreadsheet of all of our towers from this week.
00:52:21.780There are 79 of them, and I'm pretty sure I was in every single one because now I am the Tower God on Twitter because I'm now in the Resurrected OG group,
00:52:31.780which doesn't really initiate towers that much anymore.
00:52:35.140I'm in our group, which is, like, the big one right now, and I'm in the Lady group, and I, you know, coordinate towers between all three at this point.
00:52:47.380Yeah, but, you know, the – so we had 79 towers this week, and we whittled it down to, like, you know, us in the – you know, us podcast hosts here, me, you, Jose.
00:53:04.060You know, he conceptualized both these towers.
00:53:06.020We came down to two towers that we thought were the best of the week based on how funny they were, engagement, you know, just the impact that they might have had.
00:53:15.040And they were both making fun of fat people.
00:53:19.360And one of them, you know, to go back to the LP Kentucky thing, was on Seth Rogen's interaction with it.
00:53:27.560When he said, fuck right off with this shit.
00:53:31.000Well, so, yeah, so we – oh, I'm sorry, dude.
00:53:34.120Before we talk about that, I want to talk about the rabbi.
00:53:42.560Did you guys – did any of you – did any of else – anybody else see the – I know you did, Todd, obviously, but did y'all see the whole thing with Rabbi Litvin versus Dave Smith?
00:54:15.700So for background, the LP Kentucky posted the thing that drew comparisons to the Yellow Star during the – lead up to the Holocaust and the vaccine passports.
00:54:24.800And so this rabbi – I'm not going to say his Twitter ad, but it's Rabbi Litvin, and I guess he is in Kentucky because his – he referenced his state party or whatever, his state libertarian party.
00:54:42.780But he was saying that it was anti-Semitic and it minimized the Holocaust to draw comparisons to the Holocaust for something that's not nearly that bad or not nearly that big of a deal pretty much.
00:54:54.380And so Dave Smith and he went on David Fite's podcast.
00:55:01.060I think it's called Fight for Liberty, the number four, Fight for Liberty.
00:55:04.360And they did a live stream where it was him versus the – Dave Smith versus this rabbi.
00:55:14.000I really wasn't interested in watching it.
00:55:16.220But what really got me invested in this thing was after I – first of all, I got called anti-Semitic for the simple crime of Photoshopping this rabbi's face on the head of an uncircumcised penis.
00:55:32.800Which I highly resent being called anti-Semitic.
00:56:10.780That's the street dancing right after it happened, and no one's saying anything about it.
00:56:15.200They were protesting the vaccine passports, and there was literally people holding up a banner that was a picture of like the vaccine passport equals the star equals the numbers on the arm.
00:56:35.580And Tom Woods also quoted that and just was like somebody – nobody must have told them or everybody must have forgot to tell them.
00:56:44.360It's like what bugs me about it is the conversation that Dave Smith was having with the rabbi is like you can't just claim that people have a monopoly on calling people Nazis or calling things the Holocaust or drawing comparisons to the Holocaust.
00:56:57.920Because for the past – for the past – for the previous four years of the Trump administration, as we saw, the migrant camps or whatever they were, detention camps were compared to concentration camps.
00:57:30.640But the left has been comparing Trump to Hitler and even some people on the right were comparing Trump to Hitler for the entirety of his presidency.
00:57:38.000And like I said, the immigration detention camps to concentration camps.
00:57:42.540And now that the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden you cannot do that.
00:57:47.040It's anti-Semitic to draw comparisons to the Holocaust.
00:57:49.400It's anti-Semitic to draw comparisons to the yellow star sewn on the jacket.
00:57:52.720So do any of y'all have any input on that other than my stupid fucking prosculating?
00:57:57.800Well, going back to the tweet, the LP Kentucky tweet, I do think the comparison was a little bit absurd because they're going to issue way more than 6 million vaccine passports.
00:59:23.140People don't understand what a Venn diagram is.
00:59:25.240No, it has to be a complete circle, an overlapping circle.
00:59:27.900Yeah, if you have a Venn diagram, if you have seen a Venn diagram, there's a very small sliver between the two circles that actually intersect.
00:59:37.120And the rest of them are the majority, you know, 95% of the circles are not overlapping.
01:00:57.540And it's funny because these people were, as you said before, these people were the same ones who were saying that we're creeping into fascism, right?
01:01:43.600And, you know, as it stands now, it's not really specifically him anymore because he's basically a corpse.
01:01:48.620You know, we have like a weekend at Bernie's situation here.
01:01:51.920So really it is the people who are actually in charge, you know, the entrenched members of the establishment, you know, the oligarchs, they are the fascists.
01:02:05.480One more question I have before, and then I think after this, unless anybody else has anything to add or ask, I think we can move on to the Golden Towers after this.
01:02:13.960But with this one question, I just thought of it whenever you mentioned that, Toad, is other than like post-stroke Woodrow Wilson, has there been any president who has been so clearly not in charge of his own administration than Joe Biden?
01:03:00.080Like, no, okay, I guess, yeah, I could agree with that.
01:03:04.800Biden's pretty fucking lost at this point.
01:03:08.140Like, I'm waiting for like one rogue journalist that like one of the questionings or one of like the press conferences just kind of say, hey, Joe, what day is it?
01:03:18.940I was talking about that with some people at work, and it was like they really don't want to do these press conferences because one day he'll be like 1950s, Joe,
01:03:27.080and he'll be like, why is that colored person, a reporter, asking me a question?
01:03:30.800And then like literally the next day he could be like, why is that person not a BIPOC asking me a question?
01:04:20.820Like they're pushing health care, but not much else though, right?
01:04:25.040I think there's good – well, I know because she was also – I'm pretty sure she was also heavily involved in Waco, his decision on Waco.
01:05:03.800Well, we narrowed it down to two, like I said, which were making fun of fat people, and I think we already know what one of them is, which – let me see if I have it up here.
01:05:11.240Let me share my screen, and we'll go with this.
01:05:16.420And while I'm getting this up, what I was going to say as well is that – and this was Seth Rogen responding to the LP Kentucky tweet, and then what actually happened was Clint, who has been on a couple of our episodes, Clint from Liberty Lockdown, responded to him, challenged him to a debate.
01:05:33.780And we actually towered every single one of these things.
01:05:36.940We towered Seth Rogen's initial response to the LPKY, which was like complaining, you know, just the normal bitching about it.
01:05:44.440We towered that with Germans didn't recognize the signs either, I think, something like that.
01:06:02.860That was my spreadsheet of all the towers.
01:06:04.280But then we had – so then we had Clint then said he was going to debate him, which, you know, if you see my screen, you can see that here.
01:06:12.100And we actually put a tower on Clint, which was don't be a pussy, Seth.
01:06:42.100And by the way, I was going to say that I think the LPKY tweet, and I know Dave Smith took some –
01:06:47.800credit for pushing them into making this tweet.
01:06:51.620I think that we can take more credit for it because after they tweeted that they were going to form their own tower gang or whatever, a bunch of us like myself, Jose.
01:07:04.680We all bullied them to some degree or another.
01:07:09.340You know, I told them they needed to grow balls of steel to be able to hang with us or something like that.
01:07:13.500But then what we did is Cole – I think Cole actually created the group.
01:07:17.360We actually created a tower gang group for the LP, the state LPs.
01:07:22.700And, like, I think the idea was, like, we're going to, like, watch what they do.
01:07:26.440Like, basically, like, we think that there are a bunch of – you know, like, we don't really – like, we don't know what's going to happen.
01:07:32.160Like, they're not going to do it, which, you know, maybe to some degree they are.
01:07:35.660But then it was, like, you know, like, are they actually based at all?
01:07:41.620Because I know, like, the Kentucky – sorry, the Connecticut one is in there.
01:07:44.860You know, they have a lot of pretty good tweets, stuff like that.
01:07:48.740But we wound up kind of, like, pressuring them.
01:07:52.400You know, Cole was playing more of the nice cop, I guess, as Jose would say, in the group, trying to, like, kind of get them to grow more balls, basically, and do some ballsy things.
01:08:37.600And then, yeah, I mean, I don't even know if I could show the spam that we have on – live on YouTube, because some of it can be a bit out there.
01:10:17.840Well, yeah, but – yeah, and the corporate press, you know, issued numerous articles about this.
01:10:23.360Chris basically – I mean as you can see, that revolutionary messaging takeover is going well, good work, sarcasm obviously.
01:10:30.060He didn't like it, so we're like, we have to tower this, and a bunch of – at least people within the libertarian circles seem to really like this one and, you know, post some reaction comments to it.
01:10:42.020The tower was, who fucking cares, fatty?
01:11:20.240So are those the two that are up for grabs?
01:11:22.540These are the two that are up, even though we did a Seth Rogen-related one again a little bit after this where Karen Ann Harlos tagged him and told him to fuck himself with a barbed dildo.
01:11:35.000And we towered that just reiterating it saying, fuck yourself with a barbed dildo, Seth.
01:11:44.180But, yeah, these are the two that are up.
01:11:46.320So I don't know who wants to start, if they want to – I can stop sharing my screen.
01:11:55.260If they want to vote on this because democracy is obviously something that we love.
01:12:03.000I'll start because I've been going last for everything here.
01:12:05.480I will say I appreciate the Seth Rogen one more because I really dislike actors and actresses because they think that their opinion matters and literally the only thing that they do for their fucking job is they pretend to be other people.
01:12:24.620Not the one hot chick that block-toed, though.
01:12:36.040No, but for real, though, actors and actresses, they really have a way more – like, they have a way higher opinion of themselves than they really is warranted.
01:12:45.380And it really makes my heart swell with joy whenever these fucking retard elitist fags are fucking smacked around a little bit.
01:12:54.260And so Seth Rogen, who is like – I mean, really, Seth Rogen is the definition of a retard.
01:13:07.960And so for this fucking idiot to think he has the capacity to insert himself into a conversation about anything other than pretending to be other people in movies or smoking weed,
01:13:20.940fuck yourself, you dumb, fat fucking ginger Jew.
01:16:26.060I'll start this one out because I want to shout out to my boy, Drew Hancock, who makes excellent videos.
01:16:33.560And while we're in here, he has a great video that he just released, which is something called I'm Tired of Weak Libertarians.
01:16:40.000It's a great fucking video that he spits flame the entire time.
01:16:44.520And you should definitely watch that shit.
01:16:46.760You should definitely watch all of Drew's stuff.
01:16:48.540He is a sponsor of the Tower Gang Power Hour.
01:16:50.440Now, as for Bitch-Ass Libertarians, the thing that bothers me so much about them is, like we spoke about earlier, we alluded to this earlier, is that they are so desperate to be accepted by the cathedral, by the normies.
01:17:09.260It's like that's not what libertarianism is going to be about.
01:17:14.040If all you're going to do is try to be accepted by people that hate you, you are inevitably going to be rejected at every fucking turn.
01:17:20.440And it has been proven over the course of the past hundred years.
01:17:23.460There is no point in trying to ally with people that are only going to want to kill you because you're trying to topple over their power structure.
01:17:31.660And as Dave Smith referenced, if we are in a position to take out the largest honeypot in the history of fucking society, then yeah, of course, that is going to be something that we are going to be under the gun for.
01:17:45.220If we are going to be in the scope of these fucking, you know, creeps who literally kill people for their own personal gain.
01:17:51.900So, Bitch-Ass Libertarians, suck my dick and my balls.
01:20:42.700But, like, when you're talking about fucking check marks and actors and, you know, corporate fucking people, establishment people, why be fucking friendly to them, dude?
01:20:52.480They're not going to be friendly to you.
01:20:54.040And at the end of the day, when they're in fucking control, they're going to be the ones telling you to face the fucking wall, dude.
01:20:59.740And it's not just that they're being friendly, right?
01:21:02.180Because they will openly chastise other Libertarians.