Tower Gang - Ep 6 - Time to Call Obama a Homo w⧸ Liberty Lockdown

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00:00:16.360 Hey, welcome back to the Tower Power Hour.

00:00:19.340 This is episode six, and we are with Liberty Lockdown once again.

00:00:25.200 So we're going to go around.

00:00:27.180 Of course, we got here, Toad.

00:00:28.600 Toad, how you doing?

00:00:30.100 I'm doing all right.

00:00:31.660 Jose, how's it going, man?

00:00:33.120 Great.

00:00:33.500 Fucking high in life.

00:00:34.380 I just got back from the Soho Forum thing yesterday.

00:00:36.980 That was fucking dope.

00:00:38.380 I'm sure we'll shoot the shit about that a little bit.

00:00:40.200 But yeah, it was definitely a fun time.

00:00:41.900 Got a lot of meat at a lot of my internet friends.

00:00:43.780 They'd be like, fucking, oh, it's you.

00:00:46.140 That was fucking nice.

00:00:47.400 Yeah.

00:00:48.100 And then, like I said before, Liberty Lockdown.

00:00:50.260 How you doing, man?

00:00:51.920 Black people in the building.

00:00:53.180 You know what I'm saying?

00:00:54.540 Clean up in this motherfucker.

00:00:56.340 You know what's up.

00:00:57.160 And that's why they're killing Uyghurs overseas.

00:01:02.600 Man, it's been kind of a really fun week in Liberty Twitter with everything.

00:01:15.500 Well, actually, it's been like a fun month.

00:01:16.940 Like, just this past month with LPKY.

00:01:21.340 And now we get, like, I think it's titled on here, The Invasion of All the Parodies.

00:01:26.460 Like, holy shit.

00:01:29.280 You guys are making this space fun, man.

00:01:32.060 I mean, I don't, well, should I?

00:01:34.640 No?

00:01:34.980 All right.

00:01:35.660 Well, there are Tower Gang's Genesis.

00:01:40.800 It's the genesis of it, if you will.

00:01:42.400 We'll leave it there.

00:01:43.040 Well, maybe we'll touch on it more, but yes, it is a Tower Gang creation, but who?

00:01:48.780 I don't know, you know?

00:01:52.960 I think there is actually, isn't there a Liberty Lockup or Liberty, like a...

00:01:58.340 Fascist Liberty Lockup or Freedom is what it was.

00:02:01.140 Have you quoted it, right, Clint?

00:02:03.780 Yeah, I think it's Tyranny Lockup or something like that.

00:02:07.540 They Photoshopped out his mustache so it's just a Hitler stache.

00:02:10.040 Oh, I didn't even know there was a Photoshop.

00:02:13.480 I just thought it was, like, a picture from me a couple years ago before I, you know, found libertarianism.

00:02:18.280 At Halloween?

00:02:22.240 Yeah, no, no.

00:02:23.300 It's an honor and a privilege to have someone, you know, bastardizing my good name.

00:02:28.360 There was somebody...

00:02:31.600 I love Reed Coverdale, but someone asked if Reed was going to get a parody, and then someone else replied, like, Reed's not big enough to get a parody yet.

00:02:42.760 I was like, oh, shit.

00:02:45.680 It's too bad, too, because his fucking handle is perfect for alter ego.

00:02:51.580 Could be supernaturalist Marxist.

00:02:54.520 Yeah, I'd say the naturist socialist, because under socialism, no clothing would be produced anymore.

00:03:05.820 The nudist Recoverdale.

00:03:07.840 Dude, I still think supernaturalist communists would be hilarious, though, because they'd just be like, I'm going to check my tarot cards.

00:03:15.080 And then they're like, oh, they're all boxcars.

00:03:17.600 Sorry.

00:03:17.860 It'd be rad.

00:03:20.340 And then they, like, they'd have to check their gemstones to see, like, whether or not you're going to get food that day.

00:03:25.540 Come on, it'd be great.

00:03:26.460 The jokes write themselves.

00:03:27.600 Let's go.

00:03:28.460 Dude, literally, it seems like the jokes write themselves with Fat Dave.

00:03:31.700 Like, it's been...

00:03:32.860 Dude, that's the best.

00:03:34.260 I mean, honestly, like, no disrespect to all the other ones, which are solid, too.

00:03:38.020 But Fat Dave is lighting the world on fire.

00:03:40.860 Dude, the thing that impresses me about that the most, though, is, like, when I...

00:03:44.340 I mean, I know who it is and all that shit.

00:03:46.100 I mean, it's pretty clear, but it, like, blew me away that, like, the quality of the content coming from that, because it was, like, it's...

00:03:53.060 I was, like, this is a fat joke.

00:03:54.240 Like, how far can you really go with this?

00:03:55.760 Like, it's the lowest common denominator of funny, but I'm, like, how the fuck are they still creating quality content now?

00:04:01.060 This is, like, still going.

00:04:02.580 You know, what I think it is is that you're not allowed to make fat jokes anymore, so you get to make fat jokes consistently without it being overtly about being fat.

00:04:12.500 Like, so it's perfect.

00:04:14.540 Perfect. It is a perfect lane.

00:04:17.160 I was...

00:04:18.660 I've seen a lot of...

00:04:20.160 Because there's, like...

00:04:21.180 I mean, I think there's, like, 10 now, and it's all different people.

00:04:24.100 I mean, there's, like, three Dave ones.

00:04:25.660 You got Shemel...

00:04:26.420 Not Shemel Dave.

00:04:27.580 Shemel Dave.

00:04:28.180 That would be even better.

00:04:29.320 That's the next one.

00:04:30.040 Shemel Dave.

00:04:31.820 There's Female Dave.

00:04:33.620 There's Thin Dave, Fat Dave.

00:04:36.620 There's the...

00:04:37.500 Pete Quinone's one is pretty funny.

00:04:39.840 The Blue Pilled Pete.

00:04:40.680 Blue Pilled Pete.

00:04:41.500 That's my favorite.

00:04:42.380 That's my favorite other one just because of the potential.

00:04:44.540 Because I like the idea that it's, like, I could totally see, like, a generic lefty not getting the joke and, like, just being, like...

00:04:50.900 Because the whole idea is that he just says just, like, the establishment position of, like, those would be his tweets.

00:04:55.880 So it would just be fun to see, like, them going along with him.

00:04:58.700 Like, I just...

00:04:59.300 I'm looking forward to seeing those types of exchange in the future and then just us get a watch and laugh at him.

00:05:03.720 I mean, yeah, I mean, it seems like it's actually kind of, like, it seems like it's kind of difficult almost.

00:05:10.580 Like, you know, you have to make it funny while you're just taking that, like, NPC point of view, right?

00:05:16.200 Like, the zombie Bob Murphy one, I think, also has to do that.

00:05:20.720 Yeah, I was wanting them to do a Keynesian Scott Murphy.

00:05:23.800 I get the zombie reference because of the one Skitty did, but I don't know why.

00:05:27.280 I just really wanted to do, like, a simple Jack, like, theme, you know, and just have to have really dumb economic takes.

00:05:33.020 I mean, it is like a Keynesian version of Bob Murphy.

00:05:36.960 Basically, yeah.

00:05:37.760 Well, anyway, that's, like, a deep reference for...

00:05:39.880 I mean, a lot of people probably don't know, but fucking...

00:05:42.240 That legit was a skit on Tom Woods' show back in the day.

00:05:45.700 So I think they might have done a few parts of it, but that's a deep fucking callback.

00:05:49.180 Like, some people get it.

00:05:50.700 It's a good screen to tell quality people.

00:05:54.000 Someone put in the chat the nuke-pilled Scott Horton, which is a great one.

00:05:58.320 That's another really good one.

00:05:59.600 Nuke-pilled Scott, yeah.

00:06:01.620 It could go far just because it's just, like, I mean...

00:06:06.000 Well, the good thing is that Scott is...

00:06:08.140 Well, a lot of them have been really good sports about it.

00:06:11.040 That's what I've been surprised about is how good a sports like Dave has been, how good a sport...

00:06:16.000 Tom follows Tom Weeds.

00:06:17.720 That was, like, crazy to me.

00:06:19.300 When I saw, like, Tom actually follows Tom Weeds, he actually, like, was interacting with...

00:06:24.840 Scott, like, he'll always...

00:06:27.740 If you mention him in a tweet, he'll retweet it or quote-tweet it every fucking time.

00:06:32.880 But, like, they've...

00:06:35.200 I mean, I guess Fat Dave really made it because Dave, like, almost at the beginning of it,

00:06:40.340 quote-tweeted...

00:06:40.760 Like, started interacting with him, which was really, really funny.

00:06:43.940 Right, because it started out as a meme before it was...

00:06:48.700 Oh, yeah.

00:06:49.380 Before it was an account.

00:06:50.640 Cam Heartless?

00:06:51.520 Or Cam Heartless?

00:06:52.160 Is that the guy's name?

00:06:52.980 Yeah.

00:06:53.460 I think he's the one that started it, which was really funny.

00:06:57.880 And which, I don't know if anybody listened to the Slurp Gang podcast, which just started.

00:07:03.280 But they kind of shit on Fat Dave already, so it was pretty derivative.

00:07:10.540 But, I mean, like, it was at the beginning, whenever they first put the meme out.

00:07:15.120 It was like, ah, it's pretty funny.

00:07:16.580 But, yeah, it's kind of taken, like, just like a...

00:07:21.460 Oh, this is just another political comedian.

00:07:24.520 It's just that there's a funny name on it, really.

00:07:28.900 Right.

00:07:29.300 No disrespect to the Slurp Gang.

00:07:31.320 Shout out, Slurp Gang.

00:07:32.020 But, y'all are some hipster motherfuckers, and you're like, oh, this shit is so, like, last week, bro.

00:07:38.860 We got to get on with the new shit.

00:07:40.900 No, fuck you, Slurp Gang.

00:07:42.480 This shit is dope.

00:07:43.440 Fat Dave is a shit.

00:07:46.200 Y'all are my hearted.

00:07:47.620 I'll drop N-bombs on y'all.

00:07:49.060 I don't give a fuck.

00:07:50.340 My favorite theory of all this, though, is that this is just some big flex by Dave.

00:07:54.280 Like, just to see, like, how much can I, like, make...

00:07:57.840 How much can I blow up a fucking parody count?

00:08:00.120 Because it's been, like, what, like, three or four days?

00:08:01.920 I think within the first day, I had almost 2,000 followers.

00:08:04.340 Yeah, it was insane.

00:08:05.340 Just because he quote tweeted it once.

00:08:07.180 Yeah, and, like...

00:08:08.420 Well, the biggest thing, which...

00:08:11.080 I'll give it up to Toad.

00:08:12.520 Toad and Rogue Liberty, I bet Rogue's in the chat, made...

00:08:17.640 It kind of came up, like, a lot of different people in the parody,

00:08:20.060 kind of came up with the Dave's intro parody.

00:08:25.860 A big one was Toad.

00:08:27.300 Another big one was Rogue.

00:08:28.500 And I was there when they were doing it.

00:08:30.820 So, but that's what really took off,

00:08:32.620 was people actually thought that was actually really funny,

00:08:35.020 that, like, we're going to roll back the weight.

00:08:38.800 I mean, it's almost just prime for it.

00:08:42.520 But, I mean, it's been pretty funny watching all of it.

00:08:46.960 And the best part is when, like...

00:08:48.500 Oh, go ahead.

00:08:48.900 I was just going to say, shout out to Cam for all those mock-ups he did.

00:08:52.880 I mean, serious skills.

00:08:54.860 Because, like, they are quality.

00:08:56.760 I officially, legitimately want to fuck female Dave Smith.

00:09:01.840 Like, that's a fact.

00:09:04.120 I mean, I was already thinking about male versions, so...

00:09:07.040 I mean, who wasn't?

00:09:09.260 But I'm just saying, female Dave is like, put a ring on it.

00:09:12.400 Female Dave can get it, man.

00:09:13.900 There's something about cute Jewish chicks.

00:09:16.100 There just is.

00:09:16.680 I mean, anyone who's Shapiro's sister knows what I mean.

00:09:19.900 Well, Michelle Malice, she's looking pretty fine, too.

00:09:24.480 Dude, I mean, I'd probably still fuck fat, Dave, so...

00:09:30.280 Jewish chicks give the best head.

00:09:31.560 That's just a fact.

00:09:32.340 It's science.

00:09:33.420 Yeah, I mean, you can have a pretty chick,

00:09:35.720 or you can have a good lay.

00:09:36.580 It's not both.

00:09:43.320 I got clipped.

00:09:45.120 Oh, man.

00:09:47.540 I have to say, there are a few hot chicks I can fuck.

00:09:50.280 It is rare, though.

00:09:51.540 It is rare.

00:09:51.880 Yeah, but those are the ones you stay the fuck away from.

00:09:54.120 Yeah, they're going to do the crazy...

00:09:56.240 It's a triangle, man.

00:09:59.060 Crazy, hot, good fuck.

00:10:02.320 Just so y'all know, this is the gangbang segment right now.

00:10:06.720 We're gangbanging the alt accounts, just if you aren't clear,

00:10:09.160 since we normally do that every episode.

00:10:10.880 We jump the gun on that one.

00:10:13.040 Yeah, we usually do it at the end,

00:10:14.440 and last week it was kind of in the middle,

00:10:15.860 and we just didn't call it a gangbang.

00:10:17.240 But yeah, we're gangbanging Fat Dave right now.

00:10:19.620 There's a lot of people going around.

00:10:21.440 I feel like we should gangbang Slurp Gang

00:10:25.900 and start a fucking gang war.

00:10:27.280 Oh, hell yeah.

00:10:29.040 That's next week.

00:10:29.860 Next week, chill, man.

00:10:30.680 There you go.

00:10:31.100 There's the episode title, Gangbanging Fat Dave.

00:10:37.220 The only thing I'm worried about is the longevity.

00:10:41.120 I think the followers...

00:10:42.980 It's not like the followers are going to go away,

00:10:44.560 but it's that he can keep up the good content

00:10:48.080 and maybe just turn it...

00:10:50.100 Don't turn it into just a regular shit posting account,

00:10:53.320 but also don't just get stale with the fat jokes.

00:10:57.620 So it's going to be hard.

00:10:58.840 I'll tell you the key with a parody.

00:11:01.700 You don't overdo it.

00:11:03.400 You chill.

00:11:04.540 Once you've got the momentum,

00:11:06.680 wait and take your shots when it's fucking prime

00:11:09.760 and people forget the account exists

00:11:11.620 and then have Fat Dave just pounce

00:11:13.860 on some fucking Keith Olbermann post or something

00:11:15.840 and just be like...

00:11:17.620 I think that's the way to play it.

00:11:20.100 It would be good to kind of play a little close to sleeve too

00:11:23.540 and almost like try to make it seem like you're legit Dave

00:11:25.780 for people who get confused every now and then.

00:11:27.500 I 100% believe that half of his followers came from people

00:11:33.380 that were looking up Dave

00:11:34.960 and since Dave isn't verified yet,

00:11:37.500 it just comes up right next to each other.

00:11:40.720 It's way too close.

00:11:42.720 Did you see Dave tweeted...

00:11:45.240 He said that...

00:11:46.020 I think it was Gavin McGinnis

00:11:47.280 and texted him

00:11:48.060 and thought that he actually had gained that amount of weight.

00:11:51.900 That's insane.

00:11:52.760 I can't believe that.

00:11:53.800 Well, somebody said in the chat

00:11:56.760 was like they have to be...

00:11:58.560 Because Robbie tweeted about it really quickly.

00:12:01.020 He's like he had to be texting his friends about this

00:12:04.160 or something

00:12:04.660 because it wasn't just a Twitter.

00:12:07.880 It all kind of came at one time

00:12:09.640 where they were kind of like,

00:12:10.840 look at this.

00:12:11.700 Something's going on here.

00:12:13.520 And then this morning,

00:12:14.740 the coolest part is whenever people are like,

00:12:18.760 oh, this is Michael Malice

00:12:19.960 or oh, this is Dave

00:12:21.020 or then someone like

00:12:21.960 Louis J. Gomez said today

00:12:23.520 is like,

00:12:23.860 oh, it's 100% me.

00:12:26.100 Like it's...

00:12:27.640 Louis said that?

00:12:29.200 That's awesome, man.

00:12:30.180 Yeah.

00:12:30.420 Louis J. Gomez said...

00:12:31.820 From a dumbass

00:12:33.400 little fucking parody account,

00:12:35.280 you get the founder of the Proud Boys

00:12:37.020 tweeting in real life to Dave Smith

00:12:39.360 asking him if he got fat.

00:12:40.680 That is like...

00:12:41.640 That's unbelievable, man.

00:12:43.160 We're changing the world here.

00:12:44.560 Yeah.

00:12:45.020 Yeah.

00:12:46.060 I think Dave said it was a tax fee

00:12:47.580 and Rogue said that

00:12:49.100 that Louis J. Gomez took credit for it.

00:12:51.520 I think it's like another

00:12:52.600 I Am Spartacus thing

00:12:53.660 where everybody is claiming

00:12:55.160 to be Fat Dave probably.

00:12:58.060 You know,

00:12:58.320 I meant by message in real life,

00:12:59.800 like not on social media.

00:13:01.620 Like he texted him, you know?

00:13:02.500 Yeah.

00:13:02.640 Yeah.

00:13:02.740 He literally texted him,

00:13:04.040 which is insane that he...

00:13:06.220 He's like concerned.

00:13:08.320 He's not even on Twitter.

00:13:09.600 So he's not even on Twitter.

00:13:10.700 So that means someone else

00:13:11.800 sent it to him

00:13:12.660 and he saw it

00:13:13.460 and then actually thought

00:13:14.460 Dave got fat.

00:13:15.720 There's so many like layers to this.

00:13:20.460 It's, I mean,

00:13:21.220 so many layers to Fat Dave.

00:13:22.840 Fat Dave has so many layers.

00:13:24.480 And I don't want to fuck all of them.

00:13:25.980 I feel like we're trying to like

00:13:26.780 justify to the world

00:13:27.620 why we're focused on this right now

00:13:28.780 because it's like,

00:13:29.140 I swear,

00:13:29.540 this is like a fucking big deal.

00:13:31.000 Like if you were on Twitter,

00:13:31.980 you would know.

00:13:33.200 Yeah.

00:13:34.140 Like this was it this week.

00:13:36.080 Apparently,

00:13:36.560 if you weren't on Twitter,

00:13:37.520 you knew.

00:13:37.980 Gavin McInnes found out.

00:13:39.500 So it's great.

00:13:40.300 Yeah, that's true.

00:13:40.940 I think it's awesome.

00:13:41.600 I think of all the trolling,

00:13:43.600 stupid things we've ever done,

00:13:44.800 this is probably the best.

00:13:46.620 Hey, Rogue,

00:13:47.480 it's only fair.

00:13:48.580 Rogue's like been tower gang for a while.

00:13:51.200 He's asking if we'd bang female Malice

00:13:53.060 or female Dave.

00:13:53.900 I feel like it's Dave.

00:13:55.280 I mean,

00:13:55.580 but whatever you guys,

00:13:56.460 I don't know if you guys want to go around,

00:13:57.540 around the,

00:13:57.920 around the table.

00:13:59.180 I mean,

00:13:59.360 Malice is cute,

00:14:00.300 but Dave is a dime piece.

00:14:02.540 The coolest thing.

00:14:02.940 The best thing about Malice would be,

00:14:06.520 he would probably like.

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00:14:20.080 Hashtag make a play.

00:14:22.840 During sex,

00:14:24.120 like denigrate you.

00:14:26.200 Like you'd be like.

00:14:27.060 That's the best part.

00:14:28.260 I'm saying like,

00:14:29.100 if you're into that,

00:14:29.660 if you're into being like a sub,

00:14:32.920 Michelle Malice would 100% be a dom.

00:14:35.280 Oh yeah.

00:14:35.920 100%.

00:14:36.360 Oh yeah.

00:14:38.280 I think it's kind of adorable

00:14:39.600 and a little creature that you could destroy

00:14:41.260 acts like they have a certain sort of control over you.

00:14:43.700 Oh yeah.

00:14:45.400 Oh,

00:14:45.900 Michelle Malice would be like five foot nothing.

00:14:49.280 Like maybe,

00:14:50.560 maybe a buck,

00:14:52.100 maybe buck 20.

00:14:53.020 Buck 10.

00:14:53.480 Yeah.

00:14:53.720 Buck 10.

00:14:54.440 I mean,

00:14:54.680 you can throw her around,

00:14:55.660 but she would definitely just be the dom.

00:14:58.200 Well,

00:14:58.360 Michael Malice is only 4'11",

00:15:00.520 so she'd have to be shorter than that.

00:15:02.180 That's even hotter.

00:15:02.920 Is he really only 4'11"?

00:15:03.700 No.

00:15:04.820 No,

00:15:05.080 it's an ongoing joke.

00:15:05.960 I was like,

00:15:06.460 it's an ongoing joke.

00:15:07.300 It's an ongoing joke.

00:15:08.180 Well,

00:15:08.380 also if you swap genders,

00:15:09.560 he's a short guy,

00:15:10.400 so you gotta think he'd probably lose a few inches,

00:15:11.980 you know,

00:15:12.180 if you swap genders.

00:15:13.060 So,

00:15:13.560 it's only fair.

00:15:14.520 That's true.

00:15:15.060 That's true.

00:15:16.300 But,

00:15:16.780 I mean,

00:15:18.220 the thing about the Michelle Malice,

00:15:19.900 if you go by like,

00:15:21.040 what the parody account is,

00:15:22.520 she is a trad wife.

00:15:25.520 So.

00:15:25.640 Yes,

00:15:25.840 that's true.

00:15:26.440 Yeah,

00:15:26.620 they went full parody.

00:15:27.700 Like,

00:15:28.400 total opposite parody.

00:15:30.000 Right,

00:15:30.300 so I would probably

00:15:30.860 fuck female Dave

00:15:32.680 over female Malice,

00:15:34.100 but female Malice

00:15:35.000 would be

00:15:35.660 probably the better one to marry.

00:15:37.580 Yeah,

00:15:37.780 marriage material.

00:15:39.660 100%.

00:15:40.060 But I think she would be a sub

00:15:41.860 because she is trad.

00:15:44.260 I don't know,

00:15:45.060 man.

00:15:45.280 Some of those trad women,

00:15:46.600 they're crazy.

00:15:48.100 I mean,

00:15:48.960 I mean,

00:15:49.520 if you,

00:15:49.960 especially if they grew up trad,

00:15:51.840 I mean,

00:15:52.340 they're,

00:15:52.880 dude,

00:15:53.400 I went to Christian college.

00:15:55.000 Like,

00:15:55.140 people,

00:15:55.540 people that brag on trads being kinky,

00:15:57.880 are people who are just trying to kinky.

00:16:01.160 Those are people who have a trad wife.

00:16:02.620 They're just trying to convince normies

00:16:04.000 that they're actually freaks

00:16:05.280 and my sex life isn't boring.

00:16:11.120 Sometimes she sticks a finger in my butt.

00:16:12.780 Yeah.

00:16:13.120 I'm really kinky.

00:16:16.140 I came back just in time.

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.280 Stick a finger in my butt,

00:16:20.400 I'm kinky.

00:16:20.900 That's another title idea.

00:16:22.560 Yeah.

00:16:22.680 Let's talk about that.

00:16:26.900 You guys into butt stuff?

00:16:29.620 Hey,

00:16:30.000 let's do it.

00:16:30.480 100%.

00:16:30.960 I am into butt stuff.

00:16:32.660 You are.

00:16:33.100 All right.

00:16:33.400 I am not.

00:16:34.060 You're fucking gay,

00:16:34.820 bro,

00:16:34.980 but that's cool.

00:16:36.420 Oh,

00:16:36.620 I thought you were talking about with the women,

00:16:37.840 like to the women.

00:16:39.660 Oh,

00:16:39.860 no,

00:16:40.120 bro.

00:16:40.420 I'm talking about your fucking.

00:16:42.280 Cole likes getting pegged.

00:16:43.620 He admitted it.

00:16:44.300 I'm going up right after this.

00:16:47.760 I'm going upstairs.

00:16:48.480 Got to get pegged.

00:16:49.220 I'm honestly,

00:16:50.020 can we cut a little short?

00:16:51.540 I want to get up there.

00:16:53.840 My buddy,

00:16:54.280 my buddy,

00:16:54.740 John is very open about it.

00:16:55.980 He fucking,

00:16:56.900 he loves having his wife drill him.

00:16:58.380 I'm like,

00:16:58.720 yo,

00:17:00.060 yo.

00:17:00.460 You're being 100% real right now?

00:17:02.480 Yeah.

00:17:03.600 Yeah,

00:17:04.080 he is.

00:17:04.800 I mean,

00:17:05.120 I could probably go for like a small,

00:17:06.800 like pinky a little bit,

00:17:08.120 just like kind of cresting the,

00:17:09.860 or I could probably see myself maybe being willing to,

00:17:12.860 to venture there,

00:17:13.860 but no,

00:17:14.760 I like,

00:17:15.100 I don't know.

00:17:15.520 You don't,

00:17:15.780 you don't mean,

00:17:16.260 but to be fair,

00:17:16.920 he's probably had to work up to that.

00:17:18.120 I mean,

00:17:18.200 I feel like that's where it starts the pinky.

00:17:19.720 And then you're like,

00:17:20.500 luckily I've been married for like 10 years.

00:17:22.120 So the wife,

00:17:22.580 like I got what I started with.

00:17:24.060 It's like,

00:17:24.580 people think you get like way more crazy.

00:17:26.080 It was like,

00:17:26.380 no,

00:17:26.600 I mean,

00:17:27.220 maybe a little bit here and there,

00:17:28.700 but for most parts,

00:17:29.400 like maybe 10 more years from now when it gets bored,

00:17:32.080 even when it gets like super dull,

00:17:33.500 maybe we'll get into really weird shit,

00:17:34.840 but I love that.

00:17:35.660 He was just about to say when it gets even more boring.

00:17:39.960 Oh my God.

00:17:41.740 Yeah.

00:17:42.100 I mean marriage has its perks,

00:17:45.000 but yeah,

00:17:46.560 no fucking,

00:17:47.180 I don't know.

00:17:47.780 I mean,

00:17:48.380 yeah,

00:17:48.860 I mean anything in other than like a small pinky?

00:17:51.000 No,

00:17:51.200 no,

00:17:51.400 no.

00:17:51.800 I mean,

00:17:52.120 but yeah,

00:17:53.120 I'm down to clown.

00:17:55.720 Yesterday was like,

00:17:56.940 was legitimately like actually legitimately.

00:17:59.760 It was like,

00:18:00.740 wait,

00:18:00.940 you don't have sex every day.

00:18:02.020 You're married.

00:18:02.520 I'm like,

00:18:03.640 no,

00:18:04.440 that means you probably have less.

00:18:07.100 She was like,

00:18:08.040 she was like,

00:18:08.860 I can't believe like,

00:18:10.040 I thought it would just be every day.

00:18:11.320 I'm like,

00:18:12.100 you think you get married and that's just a fuck fest?

00:18:14.620 Like you're just grabbing so I can't stop.

00:18:16.560 They got you now,

00:18:17.720 son.

00:18:18.660 Nonstop fuck fest,

00:18:19.860 man.

00:18:21.180 What about you,

00:18:22.200 Toad?

00:18:22.460 Do you like stuff up your little toad butt?

00:18:24.580 I'm a,

00:18:25.400 I'm a no on this and to make sure it doesn't make sure it doesn't happen.

00:18:29.800 So,

00:18:30.140 I mean,

00:18:30.480 well,

00:18:31.960 I'm,

00:18:32.200 I'm manscaped.

00:18:33.220 I have the manscaped lawnmower,

00:18:35.160 lawnmower 3.0,

00:18:36.660 which I got before Dave Smith started promoting it.

00:18:39.160 I'm part of the problem.

00:18:40.160 Uh,

00:18:41.160 so I had to pay full price for it.

00:18:43.040 It's,

00:18:43.060 it is a solid,

00:18:44.200 uh,

00:18:44.400 it's a solid.

00:18:45.540 Why are you,

00:18:46.460 why are you mentioning your manscaping?

00:18:48.360 Solid device.

00:18:49.900 Everybody knows.

00:18:50.720 Don't get there.

00:18:51.340 Everybody knows about this to keep people away from,

00:18:54.460 uh,

00:18:54.680 away from the,

00:18:55.420 the asshole.

00:18:56.440 I will.

00:18:57.100 I shave my asshole because if I don't,

00:18:58.860 it looks like a fucking like clogged shower drain,

00:19:01.640 like a woman's shower.

00:19:03.380 You shave it.

00:19:04.520 Why are you looking at it?

00:19:05.920 Are you just every day just like spinning over into the,

00:19:09.760 like,

00:19:10.880 yes.

00:19:11.400 Well,

00:19:11.800 the lawnmower has like a,

00:19:13.400 a laser light on it.

00:19:15.080 So,

00:19:15.640 you know,

00:19:15.800 if you have the mirror just right,

00:19:17.540 you know,

00:19:17.840 you,

00:19:18.120 you can figure it out.

00:19:19.300 All right.

00:19:19.880 Is this a razor you're talking about shaving your asshole with?

00:19:22.400 Yes.

00:19:22.700 And then,

00:19:23.160 Oh,

00:19:24.040 something like right,

00:19:24.820 right after,

00:19:25.300 right after it happens,

00:19:26.100 it turns your asshole into an iron maiden,

00:19:28.680 which is really good to keep,

00:19:30.400 keep the gaze away.

00:19:32.280 Yeah.

00:19:32.760 I don't know.

00:19:33.300 Or anybody,

00:19:34.320 anybody else.

00:19:35.920 I shaved my asshole one time.

00:19:37.400 That was not a fun go of it.

00:19:39.180 I never did it again.

00:19:40.780 How many situations are you in where you have to fight off a bunch of gay men with your iron maiden ass?

00:19:49.460 Why are you,

00:19:50.200 why are you implying that you have to shave your asshole not to get raped?

00:19:53.860 I don't understand what's happening right now.

00:19:55.780 Grew up in a hard side of town.

00:19:58.380 I mean,

00:19:58.660 it hasn't happened yet.

00:20:01.200 Unless you count that,

00:20:02.140 that first time I had that seizure and I was fighting off like a bunch of EMTs simultaneously.

00:20:07.680 So I don't know if they're trying to gang rape me or not,

00:20:10.040 but if an EMT is trying to put anything in your ass,

00:20:12.720 you,

00:20:12.940 you're definitely not under medical treatment.

00:20:15.960 That is,

00:20:16.640 I was like,

00:20:18.420 not conscious.

00:20:19.160 Basically it was a grand grand mal seizure.

00:20:22.040 So I,

00:20:22.520 the next thing I knew I was like in an ambulance,

00:20:24.660 like arriving at the hospital.

00:20:25.680 I didn't know what happened until afterwards.

00:20:27.220 And like I'd coworkers tell me about it.

00:20:30.220 When you have a seizure,

00:20:31.280 do you have,

00:20:31.640 when you,

00:20:32.900 when you have a seizure,

00:20:33.740 do you not have any recollection of what happens?

00:20:36.520 Yeah,

00:20:36.840 I've had two ever,

00:20:38.140 but yeah,

00:20:38.800 they were both grand mal.

00:20:40.260 So I did not.

00:20:41.440 Yeah.

00:20:41.760 I don't remember it happening.

00:20:42.880 I remember like the lead up to it and then like being in an ambulance.

00:20:45.900 My wife's epileptic.

00:20:47.080 It comes and goes.

00:20:47.800 It depends on that.

00:20:48.400 She's had like a shitload of grand mal's,

00:20:50.080 but like the fucking,

00:20:51.640 uh,

00:20:51.980 yeah,

00:20:52.260 that's,

00:20:52.740 I mean,

00:20:52.920 it depends.

00:20:53.600 Some,

00:20:53.920 some,

00:20:54.140 some,

00:20:54.260 she remembers some shit,

00:20:55.080 some,

00:20:55.260 she doesn't.

00:20:55.940 It's basically your brain fucking having a goddamn conniption.

00:20:59.420 So it does all sorts of weird wonky shit.

00:21:01.980 Yeah.

00:21:02.580 Uh,

00:21:02.900 uh,

00:21:03.200 Brandon,

00:21:03.680 uh,

00:21:03.840 what's it?

00:21:04.200 Brandon cloth bro.

00:21:05.140 Is that cloth?

00:21:06.040 What's his,

00:21:06.360 what's his,

00:21:06.680 uh,

00:21:06.920 Twitter name?

00:21:07.940 Brandon Vaugh dad or something.

00:21:11.760 He was like,

00:21:13.740 man,

00:21:13.900 if I ever had a,

00:21:15.120 uh,

00:21:15.700 a seizure,

00:21:16.740 it'd be really chill one because I wouldn't want to be a buzzkill at the

00:21:19.520 party.

00:21:22.340 I was like,

00:21:23.380 that's so great.

00:21:24.640 We talk a lot about seizures in tower game,

00:21:27.080 but I'm,

00:21:27.460 I'm actually not epileptic.

00:21:28.780 Mine are caused by a stroke that I had.

00:21:32.200 So what are you?

00:21:33.560 84?

00:21:34.740 Yes.

00:21:36.660 One bout of the shakes led to another bout of the shakes.

00:21:39.860 I was,

00:21:40.680 I was 26.

00:21:41.760 When that happened.

00:21:42.920 That's a bummer.

00:21:43.500 I had,

00:21:44.300 uh,

00:21:44.580 when I was about that age,

00:21:45.680 I was playing poker at the Excalibur in Las Vegas.

00:21:48.600 And this old dude to my right was,

00:21:50.500 uh,

00:21:50.880 I had just,

00:21:51.920 I think I had just gone all in this old dude to my right.

00:21:55.420 Like it's looking at his cards and his hand starts to shake.

00:21:58.100 And I'm like,

00:21:58.620 yo,

00:21:58.840 it's like,

00:21:59.240 I'm like,

00:21:59.860 we're not even playing high stakes.

00:22:01.460 Like,

00:22:01.680 don't sweat it.

00:22:02.280 Doug just fold,

00:22:02.980 you know,

00:22:03.380 it's a tell,

00:22:05.540 you know,

00:22:05.800 he doesn't have anything.

00:22:06.880 I'm talking to this motherfucker and,

00:22:09.080 and his hand just keeps shaking harder and harder and harder.

00:22:11.780 And then all of a sudden I like,

00:22:13.260 I look at his face cause he had glasses on and I hadn't been really looking at him cause he's sitting next to me,

00:22:17.320 you know?

00:22:17.880 And I look at him and fucking drool comes out of his mouth.

00:22:20.020 And,

00:22:20.620 and then the cards like flip over face up and he just like shakes all the way to the ground.

00:22:25.720 And I shit you not the,

00:22:27.440 the dealer goes,

00:22:28.420 I was like,

00:22:29.060 I was like,

00:22:29.420 yo,

00:22:29.660 call a medic,

00:22:30.220 call a medic.

00:22:30.680 Cause I realized obviously that some real shit was going down.

00:22:34.080 And,

00:22:34.500 and the dealer is like,

00:22:35.620 oh,

00:22:35.800 don't,

00:22:36.160 don't sweat it.

00:22:36.620 And I didn't know why at first homeboy picks himself up off the ground,

00:22:40.800 sits back at the table,

00:22:42.000 folds his cards,

00:22:42.760 and then stays there for the rest of the day.

00:22:45.200 This motherfucker has seizures all the times that he's a regular at the casino.

00:22:48.320 And they're just like,

00:22:49.220 this is good.

00:22:49.960 This is cool.

00:22:50.980 I thought the dude was dying.

00:22:52.420 It was so incredible.

00:22:54.320 That's how it got with my wife seizures for a while.

00:22:56.300 Cause he like,

00:22:56.720 she didn't have control for a long time.

00:22:58.020 So just like a,

00:22:58.960 it was just,

00:22:59.300 there were a period of time where it was just like,

00:23:00.400 I just got to,

00:23:00.980 it was just like,

00:23:01.660 man,

00:23:01.860 whenever she's seasoned,

00:23:02.940 I mean,

00:23:03.120 like I keep an eye on her,

00:23:04.040 but she's off there.

00:23:07.420 Finally,

00:23:07.780 I want to do all the work.

00:23:10.760 I have a very inappropriate question,

00:23:12.460 Jose.

00:23:12.780 No,

00:23:13.040 that's no,

00:23:13.460 I think I might have asked you because I said,

00:23:15.660 wait,

00:23:15.940 wait a few minutes.

00:23:16.620 She's in the room.

00:23:18.320 If she has a seizure while you're,

00:23:30.860 while you're fucking,

00:23:31.500 do you come right away?

00:23:32.240 Cause it's like tightens up or what?

00:23:33.600 No,

00:23:33.960 I've thought about that before.

00:23:34.900 The problem is that you have like this pro,

00:23:36.160 like,

00:23:36.760 I don't remember what she calls it,

00:23:37.840 but there's a term for it where she'll have like a,

00:23:40.500 kind of like it'd be a haziness like before.

00:23:42.280 So she can kind of tell when they're about to come.

00:23:43.920 So it's,

00:23:44.300 it's not like it just sits on.

00:23:49.540 She's yelling at me.

00:23:50.560 It's an aura.

00:23:51.620 It's called an aura.

00:23:52.200 People give a shit about the fucking term.

00:23:54.200 I was going to,

00:23:55.380 I was going to ask if you're finally,

00:23:56.680 you're like,

00:23:57.460 Oh,

00:23:57.620 she's having a seizure.

00:23:58.320 Finally,

00:23:58.560 I want to do all the work.

00:23:59.800 If she sees,

00:24:08.600 is it just like some vibrator action?

00:24:10.400 Like,

00:24:10.460 does she just like orgasm on her own?

00:24:12.680 She puts her hand down there.

00:24:16.400 I think toad seizure made,

00:24:18.900 made him have an irrational fear of getting fucked in the ass.

00:24:21.420 So now he shaves his own.

00:24:23.320 None of this adds up.

00:24:24.920 You're like,

00:24:25.580 I have to shave my ass so that people don't fuck me in it.

00:24:28.000 That is completely the opposite of the normal logic of shaving your asshole.

00:24:32.620 If gay guys didn't hit on me all the time,

00:24:34.560 maybe I wouldn't have that fear.

00:24:36.280 If I'm talking to you,

00:24:38.140 it might be you,

00:24:38.900 Toad.

00:24:39.640 They think I'm a bear.

00:24:40.980 I don't know.

00:24:42.080 That's true.

00:24:42.580 Dude,

00:24:42.840 it's,

00:24:43.040 it's very weird because I,

00:24:44.600 You look cuddly as fuck.

00:24:46.080 Well,

00:24:46.400 I am,

00:24:46.760 but I exude supreme heterosexuality.

00:24:54.720 You cuddly bear,

00:24:55.920 you.

00:24:56.920 All right,

00:24:57.220 let's,

00:24:57.480 let's fucking get moving.

00:24:59.560 We're,

00:24:59.720 we kind of,

00:25:00.180 I could probably,

00:25:00.820 we're moving.

00:25:02.160 Well,

00:25:02.440 I want,

00:25:02.820 I want to touch on the fucking Vin thing.

00:25:04.500 I'm sure I could have thought of a crafty segue being as he's a man whore,

00:25:07.460 but I mean,

00:25:08.360 I was being lazy,

00:25:09.720 whatever.

00:25:09.920 Now we're moving on.

00:25:11.460 Former,

00:25:11.940 former man whore,

00:25:13.060 because now there's,

00:25:14.140 there's probably no population where he lives now.

00:25:17.280 Yeah.

00:25:17.760 He's also married with kids too.

00:25:18.400 That sucks for him.

00:25:19.720 I think it's,

00:25:20.360 I gotta say,

00:25:21.300 it's really funny how fucking Dave and their,

00:25:23.060 in their interaction kind of threw that at him.

00:25:24.500 I'm kind of like,

00:25:25.000 well,

00:25:25.100 that's fucking awesome.

00:25:26.180 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:25:27.100 You know,

00:25:28.960 Christian conservative Dave doesn't like it though.

00:25:31.380 Yeah,

00:25:31.700 no.

00:25:31.980 So I don't know.

00:25:33.740 I'll try to,

00:25:34.440 I don't know the exact things.

00:25:35.580 I don't even know if it really matters so much,

00:25:36.940 but they,

00:25:37.380 but essentially this week,

00:25:38.520 so for those listening,

00:25:39.540 fucking one of the other big things that happened is fucking,

00:25:42.460 fucking Vin sort of,

00:25:46.220 I would say kind of weirdly aggressively called out Dave for like,

00:25:50.220 he was saying that it was a,

00:25:51.580 I forget how he phrased it,

00:25:52.980 but essentially a conflict or some shit.

00:25:55.460 If he was,

00:25:56.020 if he's trying to,

00:25:57.160 if he thinks things are really bad and essentially that he's going down the LP political route.

00:26:01.640 And obviously shit storm ensued.

00:26:04.460 I think my thing,

00:26:05.720 I,

00:26:05.860 a lot of people know I'm a non-voting anarchist.

00:26:07.160 I have my reasons for it,

00:26:08.060 but I think a lot of people are like talking past each other.

00:26:10.440 And I think as soon as a lot of people saw Vin was attacked,

00:26:13.540 attacking the sacred cow,

00:26:14.720 which don't get me wrong.

00:26:15.980 I fucking love Dave.

00:26:17.060 If I have like,

00:26:17.840 honestly,

00:26:18.080 he's probably like my top hero,

00:26:19.060 but I don't agree with him on a hundred percent everything.

00:26:20.780 And that's fine.

00:26:21.740 But a lot of people I noticed instinctively just freaked out on Dave or not Dave on

00:26:26.520 Vin for attacking the sacred cow.

00:26:28.300 But I know this week too,

00:26:30.040 Clint,

00:26:30.280 you had an episode with him.

00:26:31.140 So I don't know if you want to talk on it and you probably a little bit more

00:26:34.720 eloquent on the details of the exchange.

00:26:37.940 Well,

00:26:38.380 as far as the details go,

00:26:39.740 I really,

00:26:40.500 I have to say that I think that Vin took a far more antagonistic approach than

00:26:47.760 was necessary given the circumstances.

00:26:49.980 And I tried to talk to Vin about it.

00:26:51.940 And if anyone wants to check it out,

00:26:53.740 go to Liberty Lockdown and you can check it out.

00:26:56.160 But I talked to him for like probably a half an hour of the two and a half

00:26:59.000 hours that we talked was about his interaction with Dave and what he sees.

00:27:02.520 And,

00:27:02.640 and essentially I think that his heart's in the right place.

00:27:05.740 I just think his tactics were flawed.

00:27:07.120 And that moment and you know,

00:27:08.600 it's his tactics.

00:27:09.360 So he can decide if that was the appropriate way to handle it.

00:27:12.180 I,

00:27:12.300 it's just my opinion that it was overly harsh,

00:27:15.100 but I didn't think it needed.

00:27:16.820 Sorry.

00:27:17.140 That was my initial idea too,

00:27:19.140 that he went a little too hard,

00:27:20.180 but I mean,

00:27:20.880 at the same time here we are talking about it.

00:27:22.500 So I don't know.

00:27:23.400 I have no idea which is right to be honest with you.

00:27:25.760 Exactly.

00:27:26.220 Like if he was using it as a marketing ploy,

00:27:28.100 then I guess well played.

00:27:29.120 And if he was trying to actually reach Dave and,

00:27:32.000 and change his mind on anything,

00:27:33.380 I think it was poorly played.

00:27:34.560 So I don't know.

00:27:35.540 It goes,

00:27:36.000 goes both ways.

00:27:36.840 I don't know if maybe Vin has been wanting to get on part of the problem and Dave hasn't invited him.

00:27:40.680 The fact that Venice is such good,

00:27:42.480 good friends with Pete and,

00:27:44.540 and that they have such an antagonistic relationship.

00:27:47.480 Dave and Vin do is very confusing to me.

00:27:50.340 But anyways,

00:27:51.080 the explanation from Vin was essentially that he believes that we're entering this dim age,

00:27:56.660 which is his belief.

00:27:57.540 And that,

00:27:58.340 that it's unavoidable and it's coming and that you have to basically,

00:28:03.600 it sounds as if he's kind of seeing himself as a Noah almost,

00:28:07.680 you know,

00:28:07.840 like putting people on the arc.

00:28:09.060 And,

00:28:09.940 and he sees Dave as the guy who's keeping people on land as,

00:28:14.660 as Vin sees the flood coming.

00:28:16.420 So I think that in that regard,

00:28:18.980 I completely agree with Vin's perspective in that if you,

00:28:23.380 if you are confident that this is all going to melt down,

00:28:27.520 then it probably does make sense to be telling people to be getting out of the country and things like that,

00:28:32.460 which is what Vin's doing.

00:28:34.120 Obviously not everyone is as certain that that's what's coming.

00:28:37.920 So I think that's Dave's perspective is that he's trying to basically round up the troops so that we can give it one,

00:28:45.400 one last fight or push to try and save the country or save the idea of,

00:28:49.640 of liberty in America.

00:28:51.040 So I,

00:28:52.360 I personally see the argument both ways because depending on whatever day I wake up,

00:28:56.580 I think that the world may be ending,

00:28:57.940 or I think that there's still a chance that we are having a peaceful revolution that's coming.

00:29:03.620 So I don't know.

00:29:05.400 I need any given day.

00:29:06.620 I agree with one of them.

00:29:07.660 Isn't it just the,

00:29:08.560 the white pill versus black pill argument?

00:29:10.420 Isn't that just literally what it comes down to is just,

00:29:12.980 I mean,

00:29:13.340 it just kind of seems like that's,

00:29:14.880 I mean,

00:29:15.040 I,

00:29:15.320 I didn't watch either one of them yet because I just,

00:29:18.140 I did,

00:29:19.380 I don't even know who Vin is.

00:29:20.480 So I was just like,

00:29:21.160 but I just,

00:29:22.160 the only thing I saw was just their argument on Twitter.

00:29:24.760 Like whenever lines of Liberty posted it and then Dave got kind of like kind of mad at it.

00:29:29.680 And then there was one funny thing because Dave was saying like,

00:29:36.580 this is like pretty much saying like,

00:29:38.060 this is,

00:29:38.440 this argument is really,

00:29:39.460 Oh,

00:29:40.940 what's it,

00:29:41.240 what did he say?

00:29:42.540 Like he said pretty much,

00:29:44.320 it was just a bad argument.

00:29:45.400 And then I think Mark Clare came back and was like,

00:29:48.380 Oh,

00:29:48.620 this is just a cliff.

00:29:49.600 Like there's a lot more.

00:29:50.460 And then I said this,

00:29:51.760 and then someone said like,

00:29:52.760 this is why fat Dave is better because he doesn't jump to conclusions or he literally can't jump to conclusions like Dave.

00:30:01.000 But that's like,

00:30:02.220 but to me,

00:30:02.780 it just kind of comes down to like the black pill versus white pill.

00:30:05.380 And like,

00:30:05.600 do you think there's a chance or like if there,

00:30:09.100 even there is hope to save it,

00:30:10.960 which should you try to,

00:30:12.880 or should you say,

00:30:14.240 no,

00:30:15.160 all hope is lost.

00:30:16.060 Let's get out of here.

00:30:16.900 I would be doing Vin a disservice if I were to say that he's black pilled.

00:30:21.360 He's,

00:30:21.660 he's black pilled in terms of the fate of the nation,

00:30:24.420 but he's,

00:30:25.060 he's actually very white pilled because he's got this like tremendous,

00:30:28.480 you know,

00:30:29.100 spiritual rebirth that he's,

00:30:30.700 he's going through right now.

00:30:31.760 So he's very hopeful and he's just trying to,

00:30:35.260 I guess,

00:30:36.040 encourage those that see the world the way we do down the same spiritual path that he's on stating that he believes that that'll be essentially salvation from what he sees as an

00:30:46.880 inevitably coming.

00:30:47.700 So he's not,

00:30:48.600 he's not like Pete is more black pilled,

00:30:50.900 honestly,

00:30:51.260 than,

00:30:51.520 than Vin is.

00:30:52.600 Um,

00:30:53.020 but I,

00:30:53.400 I understand the perspective.

00:30:54.480 Like,

00:30:54.800 yeah,

00:30:55.100 Dave is more optimistic,

00:30:56.260 I guess.

00:30:56.940 Is he actually religious then?

00:30:58.440 Like,

00:30:58.580 actually,

00:30:59.040 like,

00:30:59.380 like not very,

00:31:00.180 okay.

00:31:00.500 Okay.

00:31:00.700 So he's like a Christian religious.

00:31:02.520 So he's,

00:31:02.900 he is a,

00:31:03.500 what's it called?

00:31:04.720 Um,

00:31:06.120 uh,

00:31:06.480 Orthodox Christian.

00:31:07.640 Yep.

00:31:08.140 Oh,

00:31:08.400 okay.

00:31:09.900 Yeah.

00:31:10.300 Yeah.

00:31:10.520 This is a recent thing.

00:31:11.280 I think he's still a little bit.

00:31:13.080 I don't think he's as firmly entrenched in the,

00:31:15.180 in the,

00:31:15.560 the,

00:31:15.800 the doctrine of that from what I've seen.

00:31:17.740 I don't know.

00:31:18.400 No,

00:31:18.560 he's Orthodox Christian.

00:31:21.540 It's a thing.

00:31:22.220 He's like somewhat recently,

00:31:23.600 not that recently come to.

00:31:25.280 So yes,

00:31:25.800 it's,

00:31:26.080 yeah,

00:31:26.220 it was a few years ago,

00:31:27.180 but I'm just saying he's like,

00:31:28.600 this is like,

00:31:29.220 uh,

00:31:29.600 like in times kind of thing is what he's saying.

00:31:32.220 Yes.

00:31:32.980 Okay.

00:31:33.440 That's okay.

00:31:33.900 That makes pretty sense to me.

00:31:35.720 have you heard that before?

00:31:36.820 I don't think I've ever heard him make any sort of like revelations type claim.

00:31:39.300 Just not,

00:31:40.000 that's kind of what I was getting at there.

00:31:41.360 I don't think I've heard him make many,

00:31:42.580 maybe some sort of like metaphors,

00:31:43.920 but I don't think he's made literal like revelations type end times claims.

00:31:47.400 I don't know about you.

00:31:48.480 That's true.

00:31:49.100 He hasn't,

00:31:49.620 he hasn't actually brought up,

00:31:50.980 you know,

00:31:51.500 revelations,

00:31:52.320 but I just want to make sure I was kind of catching.

00:31:54.160 Maybe you guys say that,

00:31:54.820 but I was like,

00:31:55.180 I don't feel like I've heard him say maybe he said it and I didn't,

00:31:57.280 I don't know.

00:31:58.060 So he didn't,

00:31:58.920 it's,

00:31:59.840 it's very complicated.

00:32:00.660 Cause I've read his book.

00:32:01.780 I've talked to him for two and a half hours.

00:32:03.180 This dude definitely thinks that we are in like,

00:32:05.660 he's like,

00:32:06.320 he,

00:32:06.580 he will even,

00:32:07.140 if you follow him on Twitter regularly,

00:32:09.360 he,

00:32:09.600 he will even say like,

00:32:10.880 this has been written.

00:32:11.860 It is in the Bible.

00:32:12.760 He's like,

00:32:13.260 he's talking about Mark of the beast with the,

00:32:15.060 with the vaccines.

00:32:15.920 Like he's,

00:32:16.840 he's hinting at it.

00:32:18.200 He's not saying it overtly,

00:32:19.300 but I do.

00:32:20.120 I think that he,

00:32:21.100 he believes it personally.

00:32:22.280 Yeah.

00:32:22.680 I also don't know,

00:32:23.380 fully know the,

00:32:24.340 the doctrine for the,

00:32:25.700 for that specific branch.

00:32:27.100 That's part of,

00:32:27.800 so I don't know.

00:32:28.700 I know he's made the illusions that he looks at time in like a cycle fashion,

00:32:31.780 much like the East does where it's,

00:32:33.600 that's where the dim age comes from and how it's like a circular type thing.

00:32:37.500 And like,

00:32:38.140 you know,

00:32:38.480 and however many millennia will probably come right back to a similar age or

00:32:41.880 whatever.

00:32:42.360 Like I've seen him like make that claim before.

00:32:44.580 So I don't,

00:32:44.860 maybe he sees in that,

00:32:45.700 that way too.

00:32:46.400 And not necessarily the typical Western linear fashion with like Christianity

00:32:50.880 is kind of like the end time thing.

00:32:53.020 I don't know.

00:32:53.560 He,

00:32:53.760 he kind of,

00:32:54.460 he has some interesting thoughts.

00:32:56.360 He's blending them together a little bit.

00:32:57.920 If you've never listened to him,

00:32:59.300 uh,

00:32:59.560 fat Dave old slash Cole hasn't listened to him.

00:33:03.800 I would recommend my episode,

00:33:04.800 man.

00:33:04.940 It's,

00:33:05.160 but he's a,

00:33:05.640 he's a super interesting guy.

00:33:07.380 Like that's why,

00:33:08.480 that's why I was so,

00:33:09.820 that's why I made it,

00:33:10.680 you know,

00:33:11.200 my mission to try and be a,

00:33:12.440 uh,

00:33:12.880 a peacemaker between the two,

00:33:13.980 because I was like,

00:33:14.740 I love both these guys.

00:33:16.180 Like I do not want to see this divide based off of this disagreement,

00:33:19.920 but,

00:33:20.380 uh,

00:33:20.920 we'll see if it,

00:33:21.740 and that's kind of,

00:33:22.540 I mean,

00:33:23.640 it kind of so weird,

00:33:24.820 like how so many,

00:33:27.260 like,

00:33:27.500 I guess it goes back to the unity thing that keeps coming up over and over,

00:33:30.280 especially now.

00:33:31.160 But like,

00:33:32.380 we're all so closely aligned on like 90,

00:33:37.380 9.9% of the issues.

00:33:39.040 Yeah.

00:33:39.380 And then there's like,

00:33:40.080 like a little thing and we're like,

00:33:41.820 Nope.

00:33:42.400 Fuck you.

00:33:43.160 Like,

00:33:43.500 I'm not,

00:33:43.820 I don't want to be around you.

00:33:44.900 Like,

00:33:45.280 or it's just,

00:33:45.940 and it's just like,

00:33:46.840 we're,

00:33:47.600 and that's where I'm kind of like,

00:33:49.480 I'm more on Dave's side of like,

00:33:52.100 Hey,

00:33:52.540 the shit doesn't matter.

00:33:54.220 Just let's just try to like,

00:33:55.920 at least just end the wars.

00:33:57.480 Like it doesn't need to be a fight between those two.

00:33:59.300 Really?

00:33:59.700 Really?

00:34:00.080 It doesn't need to happen.

00:34:01.100 Like,

00:34:01.300 does there need to be a fight between us and some of the other members of the LP

00:34:05.260 that are all fucking wokeified and out of their minds?

00:34:07.420 Yes.

00:34:07.680 I think there does.

00:34:08.520 But,

00:34:08.840 uh,

00:34:09.380 as for Vin and Dave,

00:34:10.500 no,

00:34:10.940 there does not need to be this fight.

00:34:12.280 I think that a conversation,

00:34:13.440 they could duke this out and I think it will all be put to rest.

00:34:17.220 So I hope that happens.

00:34:18.280 I think it probably will eventually.

00:34:19.660 Yeah.

00:34:19.860 And then it's like,

00:34:21.000 uh,

00:34:21.240 so go ahead.

00:34:22.120 They kind of represent two different factions too.

00:34:24.260 Like Dave being the type that's still trying to utilize the political route.

00:34:27.480 And,

00:34:27.600 you know,

00:34:28.380 Vin being the more agorist type non-voting anarchist.

00:34:30.600 And I,

00:34:30.960 and I get,

00:34:31.780 obviously like for me being a non-voting anarchist,

00:34:34.000 a lot of people go,

00:34:34.620 Oh,

00:34:34.700 the three pronged approach.

00:34:35.620 But if you understand agorism,

00:34:37.180 you would know that most agorists believe that's actually a detriment,

00:34:41.540 but whatever.

00:34:42.360 That's my point being is that we need to see each other's perspective a little bit

00:34:45.080 more.

00:34:45.360 And I think that,

00:34:46.600 I think these two factions need to have a discussion.

00:34:48.600 And I don't feel like we've had a good discussion.

00:34:50.820 I mean,

00:34:51.020 there have been some spots.

00:34:52.040 That's why I want like Vin and Dave to kind of have a talk,

00:34:54.220 but yeah,

00:34:54.560 I don't see any reason for us to be at odds,

00:34:56.440 at least in that way.

00:34:57.620 Cause I mean,

00:34:58.140 I'm all for the fucking,

00:34:59.500 like,

00:34:59.720 I'm not a party guy,

00:35:00.580 but I love the fact of like,

00:35:02.480 you know,

00:35:03.000 getting the fucking bitches out of the party because it kind of affects me as

00:35:07.000 well.

00:35:07.220 Cause I don't like people associating me with that in any way.

00:35:09.300 So like,

00:35:09.800 just get the fuck out of here.

00:35:10.820 Start calling yourself centrist.

00:35:11.880 Have fun standing for nothing.

00:35:13.500 Like go away.

00:35:14.160 Two things.

00:35:15.240 One was the,

00:35:16.100 the,

00:35:16.380 the woke-a-fives.

00:35:17.340 Uh,

00:35:17.700 Dave finally muted Archie flowers for the first time.

00:35:21.500 I saw that.

00:35:22.240 Yeah.

00:35:22.560 That was just really funny because I mean,

00:35:26.340 that dude,

00:35:27.140 I mean,

00:35:27.560 I don't,

00:35:27.940 he has like a raging masochist boner with getting absolutely pummeled by

00:35:32.360 Dave over and over and over again.

00:35:33.760 Bro.

00:35:33.900 Every time he tweets,

00:35:35.200 all I want to,

00:35:35.960 all I want to do is quote tweet him and I can't ever do it because this is

00:35:39.460 what I want to say,

00:35:40.200 but I could say it on here because I can't tweet it.

00:35:43.140 I want to say,

00:35:44.000 I'll fuck you till you love me.

00:35:45.520 Faggot.

00:35:45.900 That's what I want to say.

00:35:47.100 I want to quote tweet him.

00:35:48.520 And I want to say that every single time in the words of the great Mike

00:35:51.600 Tyson,

00:35:52.200 Archie flower.

00:35:52.940 I will fuck you till you love me.

00:35:54.560 That's what I want to say to God damn it.

00:35:56.700 Archie,

00:35:57.040 shut the fuck up.

00:35:58.420 It literally is.

00:35:59.640 It's so much like it is.

00:36:01.360 It's literally like every time like it,

00:36:03.780 well,

00:36:03.940 he doesn't do it under Dave's tweets.

00:36:05.920 Usually sometimes he does,

00:36:07.100 but usually it's under when Dave is replying to somebody else.

00:36:10.300 It doesn't even have to be about the thing that Dave is talking about.

00:36:13.540 It can be totally different.

00:36:14.920 And he'll just bring something up and then Dave smacks him back down again.

00:36:19.020 And then he just keeps,

00:36:20.320 it is the craziest.

00:36:21.920 That's why I want to say it because I know that's what he wants.

00:36:24.280 He wants to be fucked until he loves somebody.

00:36:27.360 And I'm down.

00:36:28.120 He just wants somebody to love him really.

00:36:29.240 If you go back and watch,

00:36:31.720 if you go back and watch his debate with Dave,

00:36:35.740 they weren't that,

00:36:37.280 I mean,

00:36:37.420 at the end they seem pretty civil.

00:36:39.280 It wasn't antagonistic at all.

00:36:40.740 That's how much of a bitch he is that he can't even fucking man up on the show

00:36:44.620 and be like,

00:36:45.340 yeah,

00:36:45.660 you're right.

00:36:46.440 I'm a fucking idiot.

00:36:47.420 And I should have never brought this debate to your doorstep.

00:36:49.860 But since you trounced me,

00:36:51.160 I'm going to laugh and glad hand and hug you on my way out the door.

00:36:54.540 And then as soon as I get home and I get on the internet,

00:36:56.480 I'm going to talk about how much of an alt-right fucking Nazi you are.

00:36:59.200 Cause I'm a bitch.

00:37:00.800 Exactly.

00:37:01.160 It literally is every time.

00:37:03.160 Yep.

00:37:03.440 It's it.

00:37:04.500 Oh God.

00:37:05.140 It really pissed me off.

00:37:06.500 I mean,

00:37:06.900 that's most of these people,

00:37:07.940 right?

00:37:08.120 That's also that,

00:37:08.880 uh,

00:37:09.080 that other dude that Dave was arguing.

00:37:11.760 The Pennsylvania.

00:37:12.460 The Pennsylvania.

00:37:13.520 Yeah.

00:37:13.800 The saxophonist dude.

00:37:15.740 Like,

00:37:16.500 yeah.

00:37:17.660 Well,

00:37:18.040 that motherfucker.

00:37:19.120 Oh,

00:37:19.480 that motherfucker.

00:37:20.660 I don't even remember his name,

00:37:21.880 but he goes like,

00:37:22.760 he goes after Dave as well.

00:37:24.240 And then like,

00:37:24.720 at one point he said that he was,

00:37:26.080 I think he was implying that he was going to like,

00:37:28.600 I don't know,

00:37:28.980 confront Dave.

00:37:30.020 Yeah.

00:37:30.460 Confront Dave in person,

00:37:31.600 either at like the Pennsylvania LP convention or at the,

00:37:36.040 it wouldn't,

00:37:36.480 it wouldn't be the Mises bash,

00:37:37.800 I guess.

00:37:38.060 Cause I know that's in Pennsylvania,

00:37:39.100 but he wouldn't be going to that.

00:37:40.420 I would,

00:37:40.600 I would assume.

00:37:41.940 So probably the LP convention.

00:37:43.180 And Dave was like,

00:37:44.840 like,

00:37:45.220 I don't have my time to devote to you.

00:37:47.160 Like you come find me and like,

00:37:48.620 say that to my face.

00:37:51.200 Dude.

00:37:51.860 The favorite was watching,

00:37:53.300 uh,

00:37:53.680 like people like figure out that he spelled Pennsylvania wrong.

00:37:57.260 The one he's supposed to be running for governor of.

00:37:59.600 And then his argument was somebody made the banner for free.

00:38:04.480 And I just was like,

00:38:07.120 I think he said,

00:38:08.020 someone made the banner for free and it was free.

00:38:10.400 So I used it.

00:38:11.320 And now I look at the end.

00:38:13.620 The missing in as taxation.

00:38:17.400 I'm fighting against that.

00:38:19.160 I'm like,

00:38:19.540 what the fuck are you talking about?

00:38:23.180 Dude,

00:38:23.780 that guy,

00:38:24.200 that guy got pissed.

00:38:24.900 Cause he was saying some nonsense to Dave,

00:38:26.760 like a month or two ago.

00:38:27.940 And on all I ever do to reply to that guy is I take his fucking profile pic.

00:38:32.260 And then I,

00:38:32.880 and I send it to him as a reply.

00:38:35.020 Cause he's such a fucking goomba.

00:38:36.540 And then,

00:38:37.200 and then as he says more shit,

00:38:38.600 I just zoom in further and further to get to.

00:38:40.700 And I just keep sending it to him as it gets closer and closer to his face.

00:38:44.640 And then,

00:38:45.040 and then he goes to me,

00:38:45.940 he goes,

00:38:46.460 he goes,

00:38:46.720 Oh,

00:38:46.900 what these fucking nonsense.

00:38:49.340 Hyenas is what he says.

00:38:50.720 Yeah.

00:38:52.200 He's like,

00:38:52.800 he's like,

00:38:53.180 Oh,

00:38:53.340 you can't even deal with the points I'm making.

00:38:55.940 I'm like,

00:38:56.320 bro,

00:38:56.460 I could fucking deal with whatever points you have to make,

00:38:58.540 but I don't care about you.

00:38:59.980 So I'm not going to fucking talk to you.

00:39:01.780 And then he goes,

00:39:02.580 he goes,

00:39:02.900 dude,

00:39:03.080 you're going to use this picture.

00:39:04.240 You know that this picture is me fucking working at a charity for cancer survivors.

00:39:08.560 And I was like,

00:39:09.320 I don't give a fuck.

00:39:10.340 You look like a clown with a fucking saxophone in your mouth.

00:39:14.020 Change it.

00:39:14.800 Change it.

00:39:15.140 What's wrong with you?

00:39:15.780 We changed it,

00:39:19.000 man.

00:39:20.300 Because that is the same thing.

00:39:21.880 He posted just a picture of him.

00:39:23.620 And then he said,

00:39:24.400 how mature.

00:39:25.080 And he said,

00:39:25.620 I can't help what you look like,

00:39:28.340 but you can help that.

00:39:29.280 You show people.

00:39:32.540 That day with the bangers.

00:39:33.940 That day.

00:39:36.320 Yeah.

00:39:36.820 I am completely on for us.

00:39:38.520 Like,

00:39:39.100 like pushing these people out,

00:39:40.300 like in this way and ridiculing them.

00:39:41.720 Cause like they're,

00:39:42.760 I fuck these people.

00:39:44.400 They have,

00:39:44.760 they stand for nothing.

00:39:45.460 They're just,

00:39:46.000 they're jokes.

00:39:46.800 But like,

00:39:47.420 I like with the fucking Vin thing,

00:39:49.840 I am.

00:39:50.500 I do think there needs to be a conversation had there.

00:39:52.740 And that's just a matter of seeing perspectives.

00:39:54.740 The thing is for us,

00:39:56.040 I feel like most of us kind of can understand the blue pill perspective.

00:39:58.560 And that's why we ridicule it.

00:40:00.020 But like something like,

00:40:01.260 like the Dave Vin distinction,

00:40:02.980 I think it's just a matter of not seeing perspectives.

00:40:04.740 And I want to see that conversation.

00:40:06.380 I also want to address real quick.

00:40:07.900 I know it's much like the black pill,

00:40:09.760 white pill thing.

00:40:10.420 I think it's a false binary.

00:40:11.540 A lot of people do this with Vin and how he just like,

00:40:14.100 Oh,

00:40:14.180 he just wants to get up and leave.

00:40:15.460 And they say that a lot with agorists too.

00:40:17.200 And it's like,

00:40:17.760 sure.

00:40:18.120 If you have the capability to do that,

00:40:19.660 but everyone can do something to move themselves to a better spot.

00:40:23.300 So it's like,

00:40:23.940 it's not,

00:40:24.380 it's yes.

00:40:25.140 Not some of us are in better positions than others.

00:40:27.120 And I'm like,

00:40:27.820 and it is what it is.

00:40:28.620 I'm sorry.

00:40:29.180 I mean,

00:40:30.000 I don't know.

00:40:30.600 It's like,

00:40:30.920 do you want people to,

00:40:33.040 I mean,

00:40:33.180 I get the idea of staying in fight,

00:40:34.560 but I don't,

00:40:34.900 I think it's kind of a false binary.

00:40:35.920 Really.

00:40:36.340 It's like,

00:40:36.760 all this is about doing things to get yourself in a better position.

00:40:39.720 You know?

00:40:39.820 And also Dave's,

00:40:40.800 Dave's or not Dave's Finn's vantage point is that if you,

00:40:44.620 if you're going to fight a losing battle,

00:40:46.540 you don't,

00:40:47.460 you go to a place where you can be safe.

00:40:49.420 And then he,

00:40:50.320 his point is that the next frontier is a,

00:40:52.540 is a purely informational and technological battle.

00:40:56.140 So he's like,

00:40:56.920 I don't need to be in America to participate in this.

00:40:59.420 So I'm not abandoning the fight.

00:41:00.840 I am basically withdrawing myself from danger so that I can build

00:41:05.280 reinforcements and then come back to,

00:41:07.380 for the fight.

00:41:07.820 You know,

00:41:08.140 you know what I'm saying?

00:41:08.620 So like,

00:41:09.220 I think that it's all,

00:41:10.580 it's all tactics.

00:41:13.480 It's all tactics,

00:41:14.380 man.

00:41:14.560 Like,

00:41:14.940 that's why it's a discussion about tactics.

00:41:16.860 It's not a discussion about like,

00:41:18.200 Oh,

00:41:18.600 we're actually so different and at odds with each other that we have

00:41:21.300 to hate each other.

00:41:21.980 It's just a tactical debate.

00:41:23.780 So like,

00:41:24.160 we can,

00:41:24.460 we can,

00:41:25.100 we can do this and we can tweet,

00:41:27.380 we can do this from literally anywhere in the world.

00:41:29.040 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:41:30.020 There's no,

00:41:30.620 there's no,

00:41:31.260 like there's no,

00:41:33.520 I could be in Saipan right now.

00:41:34.600 You guys wouldn't know.

00:41:35.560 Yeah.

00:41:35.820 And well,

00:41:36.180 there's no like besides the actual internet provider gatekeeping

00:41:39.520 or like maybe Twitter gatekeeping,

00:41:41.120 that's the only gatekeepers.

00:41:42.660 And usually,

00:41:43.720 I mean,

00:41:44.020 that's a,

00:41:44.880 that is a fight that's going to come up at some point.

00:41:46.640 I mean,

00:41:46.900 it's a fight they're fighting right now,

00:41:48.200 but right now we're still tweeting about this.

00:41:52.140 Like,

00:41:52.560 I mean,

00:41:52.860 we still tweet some crazy shit.

00:41:54.780 We still are talking stuff on here and it's still going on.

00:41:58.320 I don't have to be in the U S I don't have to be under the U S

00:42:02.480 government right now.

00:42:03.160 I could be anywhere in the world and still be helping people.

00:42:07.500 And in truth,

00:42:08.080 Vin is able to save half of his federal income taxes by being in Saipan.

00:42:12.340 So he is actually building a war chest that Dave could be adding to his

00:42:17.140 war chest as well.

00:42:17.860 If he were to do the same thing.

00:42:18.900 So like it,

00:42:20.560 there,

00:42:20.820 there's very minor differences and I completely appreciate both perspectives.

00:42:25.260 So like,

00:42:25.740 I am not,

00:42:26.400 I am not going to pick a side in this one,

00:42:28.060 even though I,

00:42:28.840 you know,

00:42:29.180 even though I could,

00:42:30.200 it's just like,

00:42:31.180 I think that they're both right.

00:42:32.280 Honestly,

00:42:32.820 like I could see it both ways.

00:42:34.180 So whatever it's,

00:42:35.380 it's honestly,

00:42:36.060 uh,

00:42:36.360 another,

00:42:36.800 uh,

00:42:37.140 kind of white pill is,

00:42:38.540 uh,

00:42:38.780 you're talking about getting out the,

00:42:40.020 the woke of five,

00:42:41.380 the LP Nevada guy resigning on Twitter,

00:42:44.900 which was another really funny thing of that.

00:42:47.780 We,

00:42:48.400 am I allowed to encourage suicide on here?

00:42:51.180 100% go ahead.

00:42:52.400 Oh no,

00:42:53.500 no.

00:42:53.680 I was just wondering,

00:42:54.600 you want to get us banned from YouTube?

00:42:58.000 Just stay after in Minecraft.

00:43:00.240 That's all.

00:43:00.600 That's right.

00:43:00.900 That's right.

00:43:01.980 But I hope they sell nooses in Minecraft.

00:43:04.660 We're all right,

00:43:05.400 man,

00:43:05.560 because he called Archie a faggot.

00:43:07.620 I mean,

00:43:08.220 I'm only concerned about the legal gray area.

00:43:10.580 That's all I,

00:43:11.080 not morally go for it.

00:43:13.060 And for the record,

00:43:13.760 for the record,

00:43:14.460 I was quoting Mike Tyson.

00:43:15.820 I wasn't telling him.

00:43:16.540 I was quoting you quoting Mike Tyson.

00:43:20.520 So exactly.

00:43:21.500 Exactly.

00:43:21.900 Just like when I say gooks,

00:43:23.360 I'm literally just,

00:43:24.280 I'm just quoting.

00:43:25.220 See,

00:43:25.660 now we're fine.

00:43:26.560 Now we're fine.

00:43:26.860 I'm just quoting McCain or whoever it was.

00:43:29.220 Yeah,

00:43:29.460 it was John McCain.

00:43:30.160 John McCain.

00:43:30.960 Yeah.

00:43:31.320 Yeah,

00:43:31.560 John McCain.

00:43:33.560 No,

00:43:34.080 but the dude literally,

00:43:35.160 like we berated that,

00:43:36.800 that LP so much that the guy quit over it.

00:43:40.680 Good.

00:43:41.120 That is,

00:43:41.820 it literally,

00:43:42.440 that's literally the white,

00:43:43.360 like the biggest white pill is that we can just on the internet,

00:43:47.940 just berate somebody and show how stupid they are.

00:43:50.960 Bro,

00:43:51.160 that's not the only example either.

00:43:52.800 Oh yeah,

00:43:53.180 it's not.

00:43:53.700 Dude,

00:43:53.940 LP National replaced the person who's running their Twitter and there's a noticeable difference.

00:43:59.200 It is.

00:44:00.460 Much to do.

00:44:01.620 Real talk,

00:44:02.540 real talk,

00:44:02.980 the 4,000 of us or whatever that are really active libertarian,

00:44:06.620 like Mises type folks on Twitter are changing this motherfucking party.

00:44:10.460 Like it is happening.

00:44:11.300 Just us psychopaths saying crazy shit and shitposting is changing the third biggest political party in this country.

00:44:18.820 Don't stop.

00:44:19.880 Get pumped.

00:44:20.680 White pill.

00:44:21.040 It really is.

00:44:22.240 It's the biggest white pill.

00:44:23.340 And it's like the,

00:44:24.000 the craziest way to do,

00:44:25.380 because you're not only like getting rid of bad people.

00:44:28.560 You're also actually just providing comedic content for people.

00:44:32.740 Like it's kind of like a two,

00:44:33.860 it's like,

00:44:34.340 you're not,

00:44:34.740 we're not just beating them with debate.

00:44:36.580 We're not just,

00:44:37.320 which we can,

00:44:38.060 we can do that too.

00:44:39.280 Right.

00:44:39.620 But we're like,

00:44:40.720 I don't need to debate you.

00:44:42.160 I just need to show just how stupid you are.

00:44:44.280 I just need to just put it like shine a light on you and be like,

00:44:46.420 look,

00:44:46.980 he's,

00:44:47.280 he's retarded.

00:44:48.540 Uh,

00:44:49.040 this whole,

00:44:49.400 all these people are retarded.

00:44:50.940 And we're just going to show a picture of the guy.

00:44:54.180 The biggest thing that the LP lacked was fucking excitement and energy.

00:44:59.240 And we brought that shit back.

00:45:00.600 Like this shit is fucking fun.

00:45:02.140 Like I,

00:45:02.720 when I'm on there and I'm fucking dragging these fools,

00:45:04.820 I enjoy it.

00:45:05.780 And I think a lot of people enjoy watching it too.

00:45:07.860 And I,

00:45:08.260 and vice versa.

00:45:09.300 I enjoy watching.

00:45:10.080 When you were dragging,

00:45:10.400 when you were dragging Seth Rogen,

00:45:12.080 that had to be just the best.

00:45:13.880 It was amazing.

00:45:14.800 It was amazing.

00:45:15.880 So yeah,

00:45:16.440 I think that all,

00:45:17.280 all of this is like a reason for optimism.

00:45:19.840 I mean,

00:45:20.160 granted the,

00:45:21.000 the system itself is like really stacked against us,

00:45:23.700 but in terms of our little fucking echo sphere,

00:45:26.660 I think that we're doing really good work.

00:45:29.040 Yeah.

00:45:29.600 Not black pill,

00:45:30.500 not white pill.

00:45:31.040 I think people need to start thinking of it as get yourself in the right

00:45:33.940 spot to make shit happen.

00:45:35.260 So like optimism is great,

00:45:37.120 but if you don't do shit with it,

00:45:38.880 that's fucking useless.

00:45:40.180 So I,

00:45:40.780 this is literally because of not only Twitter,

00:45:44.180 but I mean,

00:45:44.540 it started with Dave when he was talking about like,

00:45:46.560 we're going to change Mises.

00:45:47.580 Like when he said it went last year,

00:45:49.080 almost,

00:45:49.420 I think it's almost been a year now.

00:45:50.500 Like I wanted to join like the LP at that time.

00:45:55.040 And now I find I did actually join the LP,

00:45:57.240 like I joined the Mises caucus and actually do stuff in my,

00:45:59.880 in my,

00:46:00.500 and I like,

00:46:01.100 my biggest thing was like,

00:46:02.340 I'm going to do local shit.

00:46:03.600 Like I can make a difference on my local level.

00:46:05.720 I can.

00:46:06.260 And I was talking to like,

00:46:07.040 whether the head guys of the,

00:46:08.440 where I'm at.

00:46:09.480 And he was like,

00:46:10.760 listen,

00:46:11.320 uh,

00:46:12.300 this place has a grocery tax.

00:46:14.520 That's like 8%.

00:46:16.020 You want to help people's lives fight against the grocery tax.

00:46:19.400 Just then you can just change.

00:46:21.320 You can get rid of help people out just in a little way in your community.

00:46:24.620 And that's where I'm more like a,

00:46:26.380 like not totally agorist that,

00:46:28.700 I mean,

00:46:28.820 maybe even Jose would do that.

00:46:30.140 Like when I don't know,

00:46:31.340 I actually know Jose probably wouldn't join a LP just,

00:46:33.760 but at all,

00:46:34.220 but like,

00:46:35.080 that's where I'm like,

00:46:36.180 but that's where I'm like,

00:46:36.980 I can make a difference and,

00:46:39.800 and still be an anarchist and still like fight for 100% liberty through a way.

00:46:47.200 It's defensive behavior.

00:46:48.580 I,

00:46:48.760 I had a Mises caucus event at my house two days ago with Angela McArdle in my

00:46:53.140 fucking living room talking to everybody.

00:46:54.520 So yeah,

00:46:55.180 it's,

00:46:55.600 it's dope,

00:46:56.140 dude.

00:46:56.280 I mean,

00:46:56.540 like there's real energy and I didn't expect it.

00:46:59.540 So fucking God bless.

00:47:01.100 I'm just going to like keep this ball rolling.

00:47:03.200 You know,

00:47:03.760 as to Jose's vantage point,

00:47:05.680 I'm not saying that this is going to save us.

00:47:07.500 I don't believe it is.

00:47:08.920 But I think that it's a good use of our energy.

00:47:11.100 If you're not going to be fleeing and,

00:47:13.460 you know,

00:47:14.160 like creating an actual compound,

00:47:16.080 then I think that this is like the next best thing.

00:47:19.200 Yeah.

00:47:19.280 And I have some arguments why I,

00:47:20.680 I disagree,

00:47:21.640 but at the same time,

00:47:22.520 I'm mine's coming,

00:47:23.880 like you said earlier,

00:47:24.440 from a tactical perspective.

00:47:25.920 So,

00:47:26.360 I mean,

00:47:26.540 if I make those arguments,

00:47:27.460 arguments of tactics,

00:47:28.280 I mean,

00:47:28.620 a lot,

00:47:28.920 I know a lot of anarchists are non-voting from a moral perspective.

00:47:32.180 I don't,

00:47:32.660 I don't find it immoral whatsoever to try to do something in your self-interest

00:47:36.340 like that,

00:47:36.860 like essentially self-defense voting.

00:47:38.760 But it is like,

00:47:39.380 for me,

00:47:39.760 I have,

00:47:40.400 and I'm not trying to get into it.

00:47:41.480 Cause it is also like at the end of the day,

00:47:42.800 mathematically it's fucking who gives a shit.

00:47:46.280 I generally is like,

00:47:47.140 I don't like even like to focus on this much.

00:47:48.680 Cause it's like,

00:47:49.280 I'm,

00:47:49.540 I could be wrong.

00:47:50.560 Cause it is like a tactics thing.

00:47:52.140 You know what I mean?

00:47:52.680 It's totally just predict like trying to predict behavior,

00:47:55.420 like going forward,

00:47:56.380 like generations.

00:47:58.160 So,

00:47:58.520 you know,

00:47:59.060 it is a kind of like a chaos theory type thing.

00:48:01.440 Like,

00:48:01.540 I don't fucking know.

00:48:03.260 That's just,

00:48:03.900 these are just my tactical thoughts of the matter.

00:48:05.720 So it's like,

00:48:06.060 why am I going to fucking argue over tactics?

00:48:08.460 Like to that extent,

00:48:09.500 you know?

00:48:09.700 And I actually fully agree with you that voting is pointless,

00:48:12.860 but the reason I advocate for it is simply because our voices are getting

00:48:18.800 out there now.

00:48:19.420 And like,

00:48:20.140 if we can,

00:48:20.860 if we can change a few thousand votes,

00:48:22.620 you can actually change a bill in smaller states and things like that.

00:48:25.880 So,

00:48:26.440 you know,

00:48:27.240 whether or not it's going to save us,

00:48:28.880 I,

00:48:29.160 again,

00:48:29.420 I don't think it will.

00:48:30.700 But it's also like,

00:48:32.200 what the fuck else am I going to do?

00:48:33.400 You know,

00:48:33.580 I might as well talk about this stuff and try and inspire people to fight back.

00:48:36.580 Even if it's not voting,

00:48:37.540 if you just go out and buy a gun,

00:48:39.180 God bless.

00:48:39.700 Like at least we're fucking in the right direction as opposed to people just

00:48:43.200 feeling helpless and hopeless and like willing to accept their fate.

00:48:46.440 That's the biggest thing I want to try and drive out of this is like this

00:48:49.520 apathetic sensation where there's,

00:48:52.080 there's nothing you can do and that we're totally doomed.

00:48:54.420 Like,

00:48:55.180 yeah,

00:48:55.400 it's the deck,

00:48:56.280 as I've said many times,

00:48:57.420 extremely stacked against us,

00:48:58.780 but it's not without hope.

00:48:59.880 So like,

00:49:00.720 just do something.

00:49:01.680 It's like,

00:49:01.940 if it's not,

00:49:02.360 if it's voting,

00:49:03.000 if it's fucking get an arsenal,

00:49:05.360 if it's Duncan on Archie flower,

00:49:07.000 fucking do something,

00:49:07.660 man.

00:49:08.000 It's not,

00:49:08.580 stop wearing your mask guys.

00:49:09.920 That's what it is.

00:49:10.440 Just stop wearing a mask.

00:49:11.740 Well,

00:49:11.860 that would help.

00:49:12.620 Sneeze on people.

00:49:14.040 Yeah.

00:49:14.320 That would help.

00:49:15.180 Make out with everybody in public.

00:49:17.020 Yep.

00:49:17.360 100%.

00:49:17.800 You know what?

00:49:18.740 Nude.

00:49:19.160 Just nudist in the,

00:49:20.280 just to go around.

00:49:21.220 Great.

00:49:22.020 Progress.

00:49:22.960 Yeah,

00:49:23.240 it's progress.

00:49:23.960 100%.

00:49:24.220 Slow homeless people.

00:49:25.180 If you can,

00:49:25.660 I agree.

00:49:26.640 Literally shoot up heroin with them.

00:49:28.460 One of the biggest things,

00:49:29.280 one of the biggest things,

00:49:30.380 don't sterilize the needle either.

00:49:31.740 One of the biggest things Vin brought up in your episode that I thought was actually perspective.

00:49:35.860 I really hadn't thought was he was kind of emphasizing like the,

00:49:39.140 the kind of almost hero worship of Dave and how people are putting a lot of their marbles in there.

00:49:43.460 And don't get me wrong.

00:49:44.180 I,

00:49:44.380 he,

00:49:44.680 if I'm going to make a list of heroes,

00:49:46.140 he's at the top,

00:49:47.060 but that definitely did kind of make me think something.

00:49:48.840 And it's just been something that's been ringing in my head for a while.

00:49:51.040 I really feel like for the longest time,

00:49:53.360 I've always remembered people always looking for the next Ron Paul.

00:49:56.040 And I think that's a,

00:49:57.020 we need to stop doing that.

00:49:58.100 Like if you put all your marbles in one person,

00:50:00.720 I mean,

00:50:01.160 even if it's someone as someone as great as Dave,

00:50:04.180 it's still a person.

00:50:05.100 So I think we need to get to the point where we have,

00:50:06.980 we're not looking for the next Ron Paul.

00:50:08.380 We're looking for the next Ron Paul.

00:50:10.300 Like we need to be the Ron Paul.

00:50:12.220 Like that's,

00:50:12.980 that's the way,

00:50:13.720 you know,

00:50:13.940 like,

00:50:14.380 and doing me wrong.

00:50:14.980 I mean,

00:50:15.160 sure.

00:50:15.580 I mean,

00:50:15.820 maybe there's something there,

00:50:16.660 but I just think we need to stop like having,

00:50:18.840 this like cult of personality to an extent,

00:50:22.220 you know what I mean?

00:50:22.500 There's usefulness there,

00:50:23.580 but don't let yourself get wrapped up in it.

00:50:25.700 You know,

00:50:25.960 I think that's it.

00:50:26.940 Oh,

00:50:27.340 go ahead.

00:50:27.660 Cool.

00:50:28.100 Oh,

00:50:28.240 well,

00:50:28.340 I was going to say is like,

00:50:29.280 if you think about it,

00:50:31.340 Ron Paul did lose,

00:50:32.520 you know,

00:50:32.680 we know that.

00:50:33.200 I mean,

00:50:33.360 it kind of sucks,

00:50:34.680 but he lost,

00:50:35.600 like,

00:50:35.920 it's like,

00:50:37.640 and he lost terribly.

00:50:38.620 He got killed.

00:50:39.200 Yeah.

00:50:39.520 He got killed.

00:50:40.200 Like,

00:50:40.420 I mean,

00:50:40.720 it was literally the best we did and he got killed.

00:50:44.040 So maybe the whole like cult,

00:50:45.660 I mean,

00:50:46.100 love Ron Paul,

00:50:46.860 literally hero of mine,

00:50:48.100 but you still have to be like realistic about this.

00:50:52.260 That doesn't work.

00:50:53.960 I think that the,

00:50:54.800 you shouldn't focus on the fact that Ron didn't win because he,

00:50:57.280 he converted half making a joke,

00:50:59.500 but I know that was a joke.

00:51:02.540 I just,

00:51:03.280 I just want to,

00:51:03.860 I just want to emphasize the fact that like,

00:51:05.940 first off,

00:51:07.060 Ron didn't lose.

00:51:08.100 He changed millions of people's hearts and minds.

00:51:10.420 And he has created me and Dave and a whole bunch of other people,

00:51:13.780 probably you guys to get into this space and to be changing a lot of more

00:51:17.380 hearts and minds.

00:51:17.940 So it grows exponentially.

00:51:19.020 And that's valuable.

00:51:19.980 That's really valuable.

00:51:21.000 Maybe even more valuable than him having one.

00:51:23.620 So I like that.

00:51:25.000 I like that side of things.

00:51:25.960 And then my second point,

00:51:26.880 I totally forgot.

00:51:27.580 So cold or,

00:51:28.340 so let smoke rolling by in the background.

00:51:32.060 No,

00:51:32.540 I mean,

00:51:32.700 I was going to say what you said,

00:51:34.040 like the fact that he lost his races and whatever,

00:51:36.700 it doesn't matter.

00:51:37.560 Like he definitely succeeded in bringing more people into the movement than

00:51:41.540 probably anybody ever.

00:51:43.080 Yeah.

00:51:43.240 And then Dave is probably the second biggest converter,

00:51:47.560 you know,

00:51:48.900 in,

00:51:49.540 in the history of fucking the libertarian party.

00:51:51.960 So,

00:51:52.080 and,

00:51:53.320 and I just wanted to push back against Jose's point about the cult of

00:51:58.280 personality.

00:51:58.860 Well,

00:51:59.240 I agree.

00:51:59.720 It is unhealthy.

00:52:00.660 You have to keep in mind,

00:52:02.060 we're trying to attract people that are attracted to leaders.

00:52:04.600 Like,

00:52:05.140 yes,

00:52:05.560 you,

00:52:05.920 all of us may not be those types.

00:52:07.500 Cause I don't think that we are.

00:52:08.960 I mean,

00:52:09.280 we have our leaders in a sense,

00:52:11.280 but we're like,

00:52:11.800 we're also fucking lone wolves and like totally ready to rock on our own.

00:52:15.480 So with Dave,

00:52:17.320 like,

00:52:17.520 even though I love the guy and I think that he will fail,

00:52:21.460 I still,

00:52:22.280 I still don't see a problem with them,

00:52:24.720 with there being this quasi cult of personality,

00:52:27.660 because it grabs people's attention.

00:52:29.440 Like people aren't going to follow someone who doesn't have followers,

00:52:33.440 you know,

00:52:33.920 like you,

00:52:34.480 that's just how it goes.

00:52:35.900 People,

00:52:36.260 people see fault,

00:52:37.000 like my follower account.

00:52:38.000 I was tweeting the hot fire four years ago.

00:52:39.960 No one gave a fuck about my Twitter account.

00:52:41.520 Now I got 13,000 followers and I bet I'm part of the problem.

00:52:43.620 And people are like,

00:52:44.260 Oh,

00:52:44.460 I want to hear what this guy has to say.

00:52:45.800 It matters.

00:52:46.540 Like people,

00:52:47.440 people are like constantly concerned with other people's already pre-approval of

00:52:53.220 someone else before they'll listen to them.

00:52:54.780 So because Dave has that,

00:52:56.920 I think we need to use it to our advantage because he's one of the few guys

00:52:59.360 that actually pushes,

00:53:00.760 pushes our message in an effective and a compelling and an interesting and a

00:53:04.520 passionate way.

00:53:05.600 So that's,

00:53:06.240 that's kind of my outlook on the cult of personality,

00:53:08.340 but otherwise I agree with you.

00:53:09.460 It's very dangerous and Trump and blah,

00:53:11.040 blah,

00:53:11.120 blah.

00:53:11.320 Yeah.

00:53:11.580 But to clarify,

00:53:12.360 I'm not saying there shouldn't be people who have cult of personality.

00:53:15.000 That would be to argue against human nature.

00:53:16.960 That's going to be a thing.

00:53:17.980 There's going to be your centrists that just look for the strong man with it,

00:53:21.280 with that's,

00:53:21.700 you know,

00:53:22.160 it's got the charisma like a Dave,

00:53:24.240 but like at the same time,

00:53:25.120 I think it's key to,

00:53:26.280 if you want to be an elevated human being is to make sure you don't get

00:53:29.200 wrapped up in that.

00:53:30.080 So like,

00:53:30.780 I feel like there is,

00:53:31.700 don't have your heart ripped out when he doesn't get to be president.

00:53:34.300 Yeah.

00:53:34.600 And I know there is,

00:53:35.820 while it is dangerous,

00:53:37.000 there is usefulness.

00:53:37.860 And generally something like the more dangerous something is like,

00:53:41.060 it's like when you're playing with fire type deal.

00:53:42.900 Like I'm not saying don't do it.

00:53:44.860 It's just be careful and be ready to,

00:53:46.700 if it ever goes away,

00:53:48.260 you don't,

00:53:48.800 if Dave says something you don't agree with,

00:53:52.860 fucking don't,

00:53:53.360 don't,

00:53:53.940 don't be a bitch.

00:53:54.540 And like,

00:53:54.940 just,

00:53:55.240 just say you don't agree or whatever.

00:53:56.460 You know what I mean?

00:53:56.800 Like be your own person.

00:53:58.560 If you're going to play with fire,

00:53:59.780 you shave your asshole like toad.

00:54:01.080 Yes.

00:54:02.340 That's the first key.

00:54:04.360 Well,

00:54:04.760 not only do I do that,

00:54:05.780 but I eat such spicy shit that I'm basically like,

00:54:08.300 like my ass is like,

00:54:09.360 not only an iron maiden,

00:54:10.360 but a blow torch at the same time.

00:54:12.600 By the way,

00:54:15.620 I did want to ask you today,

00:54:16.780 how was,

00:54:17.160 how was Soho form?

00:54:18.160 How was it?

00:54:18.980 It was,

00:54:19.600 it was,

00:54:20.000 it was cool.

00:54:20.680 It was really cool.

00:54:21.780 I mean,

00:54:22.000 did you see,

00:54:23.260 uh,

00:54:23.820 gene versus Ben Burgess.

00:54:25.380 So Epstein versus Burgess,

00:54:26.600 uh,

00:54:26.800 can I drag Ben Burgess real quick?

00:54:29.660 Go ahead.

00:54:31.780 Okay.

00:54:32.640 Real quick.

00:54:33.440 I'll drag him real quick.

00:54:34.980 Motherfucker showed up to the fucking debate,

00:54:37.980 like a debate,

00:54:38.720 the debater.

00:54:39.320 He had like some shitty fucking slacks and a t-shirt,

00:54:43.460 like a shitty fucking fat guy t-shirt,

00:54:46.240 you know,

00:54:46.480 like he looked like a fucking slob and like,

00:54:49.120 which I mean,

00:54:50.640 I don't,

00:54:50.960 if you were in the audience,

00:54:51.920 whatever,

00:54:52.420 who cares?

00:54:52.860 But you're like literally one of the debaters,

00:54:54.580 like at least business casual.

00:54:56.920 What the fuck?

00:54:58.600 You're telling me that a socialist doesn't know how to show up for a job interview.

00:55:03.180 I'm shocked.

00:55:05.080 I felt like that was like borderline disrespectful.

00:55:07.860 Like,

00:55:08.040 yeah,

00:55:08.300 well,

00:55:08.680 it is.

00:55:09.020 It is.

00:55:09.520 But,

00:55:10.000 uh,

00:55:10.320 the only point I wanted to make,

00:55:11.520 and as,

00:55:12.000 as someone who struggles to not say,

00:55:13.940 you know,

00:55:14.240 all the time,

00:55:15.140 mother fuck.

00:55:16.320 Did you listen to that episode with Dave?

00:55:18.460 Yeah,

00:55:18.700 I did.

00:55:19.300 Yes,

00:55:19.960 bro.

00:55:20.320 He said,

00:55:20.960 you know,

00:55:22.120 eight.

00:55:22.720 I couldn't even finish it in the first half an hour.

00:55:25.240 He said,

00:55:25.840 you know,

00:55:26.680 or,

00:55:27.060 you know,

00:55:27.980 1000 times.

00:55:29.140 I challenge you to listen back to it.

00:55:31.080 It is exhausting.

00:55:32.100 And Dave says it too,

00:55:33.360 but it's like,

00:55:34.140 it was just a,

00:55:34.760 you know,

00:55:35.040 fucking debate.

00:55:35.620 I didn't even,

00:55:36.300 I don't know.

00:55:37.100 I don't know.

00:55:37.480 Cause all you're saying is,

00:55:38.200 you know,

00:55:38.560 mother fucker.

00:55:39.320 Oh,

00:55:40.380 all right.

00:55:40.520 We're talking about the debate or the recent episode.

00:55:42.920 Sorry.

00:55:43.200 The recent episode.

00:55:43.980 That was the recent episode.

00:55:44.820 Yeah.

00:55:45.200 Yeah.

00:55:45.480 Dave with Dave.

00:55:46.400 Yeah.

00:55:47.180 Yeah.

00:55:47.440 I'm nervous.

00:55:48.120 I'm so used to it.

00:55:51.900 I didn't even notice it.

00:55:52.800 Oh,

00:55:53.100 it'll yeah.

00:55:54.240 Once,

00:55:54.600 once you catch it,

00:55:55.480 it'll be like,

00:55:56.500 it's like nails on a chalkboard.

00:55:57.800 It is brutal.

00:55:59.180 I think I've been,

00:56:00.860 I grew up in church all my life.

00:56:03.080 And so I heard preachers had their own thing.

00:56:05.120 And so I've just like automatically learned to tune out just the right shit.

00:56:08.900 They say,

00:56:09.440 but like,

00:56:10.240 in fairness,

00:56:11.480 we all say it.

00:56:12.540 So like,

00:56:12.900 I'm not,

00:56:13.220 I'm not saying,

00:56:13.960 but it was just so,

00:56:14.800 you know,

00:56:15.580 you know,

00:56:16.220 we do,

00:56:16.680 but it's,

00:56:17.280 it was so aggressive.

00:56:18.400 It was crazy.

00:56:19.560 Seriously.

00:56:19.880 Listen back.

00:56:20.360 Like for like just 10 minutes,

00:56:21.420 it'll blow your mind.

00:56:22.760 And Michael's asking if you caught Nick's question that he asked during the

00:56:26.140 debate.

00:56:27.840 Oh,

00:56:28.220 did I?

00:56:28.820 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 I know he made a meme of it.

00:56:30.420 Honestly,

00:56:30.940 I was actually that I had the next question.

00:56:32.600 So I,

00:56:32.840 I totally don't remember what he asked because I was too busy in my head

00:56:35.740 trying to prepare how to say mine without sounding like a retard.

00:56:38.060 So like,

00:56:39.260 yeah,

00:56:39.580 I wasn't really paying attention to what he said because that's literally right

00:56:41.640 after him.

00:56:42.480 No,

00:56:42.740 my question,

00:56:44.640 um,

00:56:45.080 he fucking,

00:56:45.880 um,

00:56:46.960 cause Gene at one point said something like,

00:56:48.740 Oh,

00:56:49.020 well,

00:56:49.380 what are we going to do if,

00:56:50.840 uh,

00:56:51.120 I mean,

00:56:51.360 I can't do a gene at a gene impression,

00:56:52.880 but if he's like,

00:56:54.060 what are we going to do if someone,

00:56:55.180 you know,

00:56:55.360 gets waged or slaves,

00:56:56.240 are we just going to start arresting people?

00:56:57.880 And you know,

00:56:58.400 like,

00:56:58.600 obviously he's getting at that.

00:56:59.900 Like ultimately that's what is behind the threat behind legality,

00:57:03.820 like things like that.

00:57:05.060 Pretty simple.

00:57:05.800 But then Ben Burgess then changes to,

00:57:07.520 Oh,

00:57:08.020 well we'll do it the same way we do like minimum wage.

00:57:09.980 Like we're not locking up people all over the place.

00:57:12.320 So there was that like,

00:57:13.300 that like little bait and switch there where it was like genes,

00:57:17.720 obviously insinuating that ultimately this is backed up by arrest,

00:57:20.240 but you change it to,

00:57:22.260 Oh,

00:57:22.400 but we're not going to have a ton of arrests.

00:57:23.960 Like,

00:57:24.080 no,

00:57:24.220 it's not,

00:57:24.620 it's not about the quantity of arrests.

00:57:26.180 Like,

00:57:26.580 so like then I asked him,

00:57:28.420 I told him,

00:57:29.020 cause I have a business and I was like,

00:57:30.220 I breed cats.

00:57:31.340 I mean,

00:57:31.500 a lot of people know that.

00:57:32.560 Um,

00:57:32.880 I don't know if you have cats,

00:57:34.700 man.

00:57:34.960 Yeah.

00:57:35.160 I breed hairless cats.

00:57:39.560 And so I told him,

00:57:40.260 I was like,

00:57:40.540 Hey,

00:57:40.700 let's say I fucking,

00:57:42.160 you know,

00:57:42.900 uh,

00:57:43.260 I told him like how it works with my job.

00:57:45.220 They're like,

00:57:45.580 the biggest thing is probably like one to three hours a day.

00:57:48.040 I have to clean the cat room.

00:57:49.080 Cause you need,

00:57:49.720 the biggest thing is to make sure they have a clean environment.

00:57:52.260 So I have to clean it,

00:57:53.060 spick and span every day.

00:57:54.260 And then I was like,

00:57:55.440 what if my neighbor,

00:57:56.600 you know,

00:57:56.820 real careful saying clean and spick in the same sentence.

00:58:02.480 Yeah.

00:58:02.840 And I was like,

00:58:03.360 I was like,

00:58:03.960 I told him,

00:58:04.760 I was like,

00:58:05.000 let's,

00:58:05.500 I was like,

00:58:06.300 let's say my neighbor fucking,

00:58:08.040 uh,

00:58:08.560 is like,

00:58:08.980 Hey,

00:58:09.120 I got an extra few hours.

00:58:10.340 Like,

00:58:10.640 I mean,

00:58:10.820 might as well make some money.

00:58:11.600 Like,

00:58:12.280 uh,

00:58:12.500 Hey,

00:58:12.720 can I,

00:58:13.200 you know,

00:58:13.520 like what will you give me?

00:58:14.360 And the money I offer him is,

00:58:16.020 you know,

00:58:16.700 minimum wage or just in the fact that in your society where we wouldn't be able to have like wages

00:58:21.680 or salaries,

00:58:22.320 what would happen if the cops found out?

00:58:24.240 And he goes,

00:58:24.860 Oh,

00:58:25.080 well,

00:58:25.200 there's any number of things that could happen.

00:58:26.900 He goes through this whole long,

00:58:27.940 like,

00:58:28.320 well,

00:58:28.440 obviously you guys know what I'm getting at.

00:58:30.220 And he said fines at one point.

00:58:31.700 And then we went to go stop.

00:58:33.320 Like normally we would move on to the next person.

00:58:35.040 And I leaned back in.

00:58:35.620 I was like,

00:58:35.860 uh,

00:58:36.060 and what if I decide not to pay the fines?

00:58:38.200 And then he's like,

00:58:39.320 he even then kind of gave a sort of long answer,

00:58:42.800 but then kind of like,

00:58:43.840 almost like he was like new,

00:58:45.100 like,

00:58:45.240 I can't dance around this.

00:58:46.080 He's like,

00:58:46.280 yeah,

00:58:46.460 I mean,

00:58:46.640 obviously you might have to arrest.

00:58:47.800 And I thought about like pushing forward and be like,

00:58:50.440 and what if,

00:58:51.440 and what if I decide I don't want to be kidnapped by the state?

00:58:54.380 And,

00:58:54.820 but,

00:58:55.000 but I figured I'd ought to leave it where I was at.

00:58:57.460 Cause it was kind of like,

00:58:58.040 everyone knew what I was getting at.

00:58:59.240 I could just,

00:58:59.720 it's almost better just walk away with grace.

00:59:01.300 Kind of like that moment with Dave,

00:59:02.820 where he had that one chick who was using the Nuremberg defense.

00:59:05.280 And instead of pointing out you use the Nuremberg fence,

00:59:07.740 you just didn't say anything.

00:59:08.740 So it was almost more slick that way.

00:59:10.460 I kind of just going to sit in your smugness.

00:59:13.440 Right.

00:59:14.200 Yeah.

00:59:14.400 All these like capitalism,

00:59:16.700 social debates,

00:59:17.600 they're like the same thing,

00:59:18.700 man.

00:59:18.940 Like when Gene debates,

00:59:19.900 he always hammers that point and they never have a good answer for it.

00:59:22.800 Because if you're going to advocate for something to be illegal,

00:59:26.460 what you were essentially saying is that you were okay with somebody being killed over it.

00:59:30.860 Cause that's the end result.

00:59:32.020 It is.

00:59:32.320 It is.

00:59:32.800 And it's also really,

00:59:34.360 I've had to pay with the,

00:59:35.580 well,

00:59:35.760 it's undeniable until like people are just like,

00:59:37.720 they have a choice to pay the fine.

00:59:39.940 It's like,

00:59:40.880 well,

00:59:41.580 okay.

00:59:42.020 Like it doesn't change that they're also going to be killed if they resist it.

00:59:46.040 Well,

00:59:46.400 well then you have a choice to not resist.

00:59:48.920 Like God damn it.

00:59:49.760 David Koresh had a choice to turn in all of his guns and he opted not to.

00:59:54.280 So gun bans are the reason he's dead,

00:59:56.340 but he made that choice,

00:59:57.740 I guess.

00:59:59.800 It's the dumbest thing.

01:00:01.200 So did the kids in the compound.

01:00:03.000 It was dope.

01:00:03.460 The people I got to meet there though,

01:00:04.800 at the end,

01:00:05.260 I got to,

01:00:05.560 I got to meet like a shitload of people I knew from just,

01:00:08.040 just online randomly,

01:00:08.980 just normal people.

01:00:09.860 I got to meet like the philosopher.

01:00:11.400 I got to meet Jack Lloyd,

01:00:12.340 the comic book writer,

01:00:14.560 Anthony Samaroff.

01:00:16.540 Fucking,

01:00:17.080 I,

01:00:17.280 I never really talked to Gene other than I think quickly said hi.

01:00:20.160 And Tom was there.

01:00:21.240 I mean,

01:00:21.380 it was kind of like surreal to see them.

01:00:22.960 I know it's like,

01:00:23.360 Oh my God,

01:00:23.720 there's senpai.

01:00:25.140 Tom Woods or Tom Weeds?

01:00:27.100 Yeah,

01:00:27.260 Tom Weeds.

01:00:28.120 It was Tom Woods.

01:00:29.880 He was,

01:00:30.420 I don't think he was Tom.

01:00:31.440 He answered it all seriously.

01:00:32.620 There was a bunch of people.

01:00:33.560 They were really cool.

01:00:34.420 It wasn't Tom Woods.

01:00:35.100 He wasn't there.

01:00:35.940 There's something magic.

01:00:36.960 I didn't see Tom Weeds at all.

01:00:38.140 Did I see the pool noodles?

01:00:39.280 I don't think I understand that reference.

01:00:41.200 Tom Lobster.

01:00:43.000 Shout out to Tom Lobster.

01:00:44.120 Thank you for my logo.

01:00:45.680 Yeah,

01:00:45.900 he's in there.

01:00:46.340 That's if I saw the pool noodles.

01:00:47.340 I don't get the reference.

01:00:48.440 I have no idea.

01:00:49.600 Go to toplobsters.com.

01:00:50.780 Get some dope.

01:00:51.760 One of his shirts right now,

01:00:53.620 Josh Smith,

01:00:54.300 break the cycle.

01:00:55.140 That's from Tom Lobster.

01:00:56.940 There's something about being among your people though.

01:00:59.700 Like,

01:01:00.160 I mean,

01:01:00.420 it was a little weird at first,

01:01:01.720 like kind of like being thrown in with almost like as a kid with a new group,

01:01:04.920 you know?

01:01:05.520 But then like once we get started going,

01:01:07.300 especially got a few drinks and it's like just autisticness everywhere.

01:01:10.700 It was fucking delightful.

01:01:11.860 It's like listening to a white supremacist.

01:01:13.460 Yeah.

01:01:13.760 It's weird.

01:01:14.320 Cause like,

01:01:14.600 I'm never able to go into like some of my deeper thoughts,

01:01:16.820 you know,

01:01:17.540 like with people.

01:01:18.260 Cause like normies,

01:01:19.200 like I can't go into like super deep shit.

01:01:21.800 Cause I've already lost them before I even get close to where I want to go.

01:01:24.660 And they're like,

01:01:25.180 Oh,

01:01:25.420 what?

01:01:26.260 So only when you're with your people,

01:01:28.560 can you talk about the deep shit that you want to get into your actual real

01:01:31.600 thoughts?

01:01:32.380 Yeah.

01:01:32.840 Like we're talking about agenda 2030 and all sorts of crazy.

01:01:36.420 Nice.

01:01:37.580 The real question is though,

01:01:39.060 how big is Anthony Samaroff's schlong?

01:01:42.520 I know you saw it,

01:01:43.340 Jose.

01:01:43.900 It's probably,

01:01:44.900 I don't,

01:01:46.100 I mean,

01:01:46.300 I have no,

01:01:46.760 I didn't see,

01:01:47.160 actually,

01:01:47.380 you know what?

01:01:47.820 I weirdly,

01:01:48.440 me and him both had like seen me on the P schedule.

01:01:50.180 We kept running into each other,

01:01:51.500 but it was like,

01:01:52.240 cause I kept wanting to say hi.

01:01:53.580 I only noticed cycles aligned.

01:01:55.500 I wanted to say hi,

01:01:56.800 but every time I would see him be in the bathroom,

01:01:58.240 I'm like,

01:01:58.500 I can't say hi here.

01:01:59.340 This is fucking weird.

01:02:01.640 I hate it.

01:02:02.700 It's like,

01:02:03.200 bro,

01:02:03.400 I have my dick in my hand right now.

01:02:04.820 Cause you like not talk to me right now.

01:02:06.840 If you're going to talk to me,

01:02:07.640 at least rub my back.

01:02:10.700 Oh my God.

01:02:11.400 Maybe,

01:02:11.760 maybe do a little,

01:02:13.160 massage the kidneys a little bit.

01:02:15.000 Tob Lobster says the different color pool noodles indicate the different fetishes

01:02:18.480 people in the villages are into.

01:02:19.980 You'll see them on their golf cart.

01:02:21.920 Cause the villages,

01:02:22.640 this is how the villages,

01:02:23.880 it's like this giant,

01:02:24.800 uh,

01:02:25.220 retirement community place.

01:02:26.760 Oh yeah.

01:02:27.080 It's huge.

01:02:27.620 Yeah.

01:02:27.800 It was 80,000 people or something.

01:02:30.300 Yeah.

01:02:30.460 I left there at 10 o'clock to go home.

01:02:32.640 It was like,

01:02:33.580 you'd swear it was like two in the morning.

01:02:35.180 It was ridiculous.

01:02:37.600 But yeah.

01:02:39.200 Did you go to any swinger parties or what?

01:02:41.640 Yeah.

01:02:41.860 I mean,

01:02:42.200 I'd be down to the bang of cougar.

01:02:44.020 I don't give a shit.

01:02:44.660 Like I wasn't prepared for this.

01:02:51.600 I,

01:02:51.620 you know,

01:02:51.860 what's the pool noodle color for butt stuff?

01:02:54.720 Brown.

01:02:55.620 Brown.

01:02:56.780 That's an easy one.

01:02:58.680 I've never seen a brown pool noodle.

01:03:00.920 Top Lobster says it has the highest rate of STDs in America.

01:03:03.840 That makes sense.

01:03:04.460 Old people.

01:03:04.840 Fuck.

01:03:05.100 What do you have to lose at that point?

01:03:11.480 Like,

01:03:11.800 I guess,

01:03:13.520 I mean,

01:03:13.760 yeah,

01:03:13.920 you're like,

01:03:14.240 dude,

01:03:14.420 I,

01:03:14.680 all right,

01:03:15.140 you know,

01:03:15.800 my mortality is setting in.

01:03:17.000 I'm going to die.

01:03:17.680 Like might as well get my nut off.

01:03:19.420 I mean,

01:03:19.740 honestly,

01:03:20.080 what STDs can you get?

01:03:21.200 Like at some point you got them all.

01:03:22.700 Like you're going to go.

01:03:23.520 you can straight up give me AIDS.

01:03:24.700 It's like,

01:03:24.940 you know,

01:03:25.160 whatever.

01:03:26.780 It's like,

01:03:27.360 okay.

01:03:31.720 Like,

01:03:32.080 I'm sure my heart's going to get me first.

01:03:33.320 Who cares?

01:03:35.100 I hope it's my heart.

01:03:38.420 I hope my heart just stops.

01:03:39.920 And then it's not something way,

01:03:41.780 you know,

01:03:42.300 prolonged or whatever.

01:03:44.140 All right,

01:03:44.420 guys,

01:03:44.600 I'm probably going to bail here in a second.

01:03:46.960 My old lady,

01:03:47.600 I told her I'd be,

01:03:48.740 I lied to her a little bit and said 45 minutes when I really am at an hour.

01:03:51.900 So.

01:03:52.580 Oh,

01:03:52.800 no.

01:03:53.420 Okay.

01:03:54.380 Golden tower real quick.

01:03:55.420 Golden tower is going to let y'all do it.

01:03:56.700 You already know what mine is,

01:03:58.000 but go ahead.

01:03:58.400 Well,

01:03:58.560 fuck it.

01:03:58.800 I do.

01:03:59.700 You'll be mad at me.

01:04:00.280 I don't care.

01:04:01.840 Well,

01:04:02.300 so I think,

01:04:03.220 I think we really have one.

01:04:04.200 And it's probably a runaway this week.

01:04:05.940 So I don't know if it's going to be really that much.

01:04:08.220 I chose two that were my personal favorites.

01:04:10.960 And there were a few others that might be okay,

01:04:13.480 but I will go to maybe the lesser of the two first,

01:04:18.460 because it was from this morning and it was just kind of a.

01:04:22.100 Which by the way,

01:04:23.480 the towers this weekend were terrible.

01:04:25.480 We did not.

01:04:26.680 We were not on our A game this weekend.

01:04:28.480 We really were not.

01:04:29.680 Except for one,

01:04:30.400 which is why it's like,

01:04:31.720 it's pretty clear which one it's going to be.

01:04:33.000 That one was from this,

01:04:34.080 from the middle of the week.

01:04:35.480 Yeah.

01:04:36.020 I thought the ones that we did today were,

01:04:38.100 we upped our game a little bit today.

01:04:40.600 I have no idea how this is possible,

01:04:42.260 but I'm a top 100.

01:04:43.480 I'm a top 100 podcast in Italy right now.

01:04:45.980 That's fucking weird.

01:04:47.400 So this one,

01:04:48.680 this one has Peter North.

01:04:50.420 Oh,

01:04:50.740 it's perfect.

01:04:51.280 Italians,

01:04:51.700 big dicks.

01:04:52.100 Let's go.

01:04:54.360 What a,

01:04:54.800 what a,

01:04:55.160 what a tie in.

01:04:56.420 So actually,

01:04:57.380 Oh,

01:04:57.640 so wait a minute.

01:04:58.060 I didn't realize.

01:04:58.800 Oh no,

01:04:59.000 wait.

01:04:59.160 Yeah.

01:04:59.320 So both of these are anti-war related towers.

01:05:04.240 So the one that I picked,

01:05:05.980 you know,

01:05:06.560 cause I think that the other one is probably a runaway,

01:05:08.980 but we'll see what you guys think.

01:05:10.400 We,

01:05:10.840 we towered David from twice this week.

01:05:13.840 And one was this morning.

01:05:17.380 Cause he had,

01:05:18.100 you know,

01:05:18.280 just warmongering bullshit.

01:05:20.020 Of course,

01:05:20.540 this is actually,

01:05:21.460 maybe this is the only tower on him.

01:05:22.980 It was him complaining that Biden is saying that he's going to pull all the

01:05:26.480 troops out of Afghanistan,

01:05:27.540 which,

01:05:28.220 you know,

01:05:29.340 we'll,

01:05:29.720 we'll see if he actually does that.

01:05:31.900 I kind of doubt that David from,

01:05:34.280 you know,

01:05:34.440 horrible,

01:05:34.880 like neocon type,

01:05:36.760 very pro war.

01:05:38.580 So I just said,

01:05:40.300 cause we couldn't really think of a tower.

01:05:41.620 I just said,

01:05:41.980 let's do a neocon remover,

01:05:43.760 like senpai notice type of thing here,

01:05:46.540 where he took Scott Horton's books and Photoshop them.

01:05:51.780 And the enough already one,

01:05:54.040 he changed to war is gay time to call Obama a homo.

01:06:00.220 So we did that for the tower.

01:06:05.320 Whoa.

01:06:05.760 You did that whole thing.

01:06:06.740 Jesus Christ.

01:06:07.960 All right.

01:06:08.220 What was it again?

01:06:08.960 Sorry.

01:06:09.260 My old lady was telling me,

01:06:10.260 but one of our cats destroyed my kid's plant.

01:06:13.060 Oh shit.

01:06:15.500 War,

01:06:16.100 war is never heard.

01:06:18.240 War is gay.

01:06:19.140 Time to call Obama a homo.

01:06:20.980 And unfortunately,

01:06:24.460 I guess this was the Peter North was the,

01:06:27.860 the big spam on this,

01:06:29.920 but the reference.

01:06:32.560 Yeah.

01:06:33.040 It's a like,

01:06:33.920 let's erect a tower.

01:06:36.240 Bob,

01:06:36.640 the builder tower gang.

01:06:37.840 And he's got pit viper on,

01:06:39.900 but we tagged neocon remover in this one.

01:06:41.860 And he,

01:06:42.300 he enjoyed it.

01:06:44.860 So we had that.

01:06:45.980 Very good.

01:06:47.300 We also tagged Scott Horton in this one.

01:06:49.380 He didn't respond to it.

01:06:50.980 Oh,

01:06:51.340 we have our,

01:06:52.120 our new spam here with Nick.

01:06:55.660 I think this one also had this,

01:07:00.040 the other Nick,

01:07:00.740 because someone had the Nick actually asking a question and it was a,

01:07:04.600 how do you feel getting towered?

01:07:05.540 Pussy bitch again.

01:07:06.860 Was that on this one too?

01:07:08.280 There's a lot of spam in this.

01:07:09.640 I don't think so.

01:07:10.200 I don't see it.

01:07:10.760 Maybe not.

01:07:11.280 Okay.

01:07:11.560 It wasn't another one today that I saw.

01:07:14.240 Yeah.

01:07:14.680 Cause Nick started sending memes of him asking questions.

01:07:17.320 They were pretty funny,

01:07:18.380 but yeah.

01:07:19.460 And then this was our reference here.

01:07:21.780 Neocon remover had this Photoshop a while back.

01:07:28.140 Dudes rock.

01:07:29.300 I wonder if Scott doesn't like the homo.

01:07:33.300 Maybe he doesn't like that.

01:07:34.280 I don't know.

01:07:35.160 I tagged him in this one.

01:07:36.460 He didn't respond to it,

01:07:37.540 but this was this morning.

01:07:38.760 This is my second favorite of the week.

01:07:40.620 I mean,

01:07:41.340 I don't know.

01:07:41.540 We had some other ones that were probably close to that,

01:07:43.860 but then the one that I assume we were all going to.

01:07:49.180 Guess what?

01:07:50.860 It's also anti-war and it's also Scott Horton related.

01:07:55.140 Liz Cheney.

01:07:56.260 We're back on the Cheneys.

01:07:57.360 Let's go.

01:07:57.800 And again,

01:07:58.420 it was about removing the troops from Afghanistan.

01:08:01.740 So I don't know.

01:08:02.460 Maybe we're being really one note this week.

01:08:04.000 Cause I felt like almost all of our other towers were anti-police and stuff.

01:08:07.900 What's the count on the first letter right now?

01:08:10.240 I know it's got pretty high.

01:08:11.420 What's the count?

01:08:12.940 205.

01:08:13.540 And the likes on Liz Cheney's tweet is 122.

01:08:17.620 Wow.

01:08:18.180 That has to be the highest one yet.

01:08:19.840 It is,

01:08:20.240 I think.

01:08:20.600 Yeah.

01:08:20.960 The ATF one was close.

01:08:22.520 Right.

01:08:22.780 And you can,

01:08:23.120 yeah.

01:08:23.800 And you can see the ratio on the street,

01:08:25.380 which is kind of a white pill in some ways.

01:08:27.500 What'd you say?

01:08:28.300 What was it?

01:08:28.860 What's the tower?

01:08:29.700 So unfortunately this was not totally original.

01:08:32.060 And I don't know who actually came up with the original tower,

01:08:35.460 which we did the same tower on.

01:08:37.040 And you're the first letter.

01:08:38.280 How do you not know?

01:08:40.040 I know.

01:08:41.240 You have to tell a story.

01:08:43.100 I suggested this tower,

01:08:44.940 but it was because we did the same tower on some representative complaining

01:08:48.120 about pulling troops out of Syria or something like a couple of weeks ago.

01:08:52.420 But I said,

01:08:53.120 this is way better because it's Liz Cheney.

01:08:55.700 And we know Dick Cheney is obviously her father.

01:08:58.260 So this has way more pull.

01:09:01.280 Yeah.

01:09:01.760 It's funny when you first,

01:09:02.700 whoever came up with it first,

01:09:03.640 it wasn't,

01:09:04.480 it didn't have that like punch line of the dad,

01:09:06.420 the dad thing,

01:09:07.260 which we never thought how it would come back and actually work so perfectly in a different situation.

01:09:11.740 With someone who's like a dad.

01:09:12.520 There's a couple of towers that we got like,

01:09:14.560 you know,

01:09:15.900 like bullets in a six shooter.

01:09:17.260 We got a couple,

01:09:17.960 like we got six that we can kind of go to.

01:09:19.940 This is going to be another one that we start going to like any of the people.

01:09:22.980 We start using that all the time,

01:09:24.220 but I mean,

01:09:24.440 it's good,

01:09:24.800 but it's just like,

01:09:25.860 this is another one that seems it's kind of coming,

01:09:27.740 but continue.

01:09:28.960 Well,

01:09:29.100 this is what we've done it just twice,

01:09:31.440 but this,

01:09:31.820 it had,

01:09:32.120 you know,

01:09:32.300 more oomph because of Dick Cheney,

01:09:34.240 maybe her father,

01:09:35.040 the tower is an excellent pun.

01:09:38.420 I think,

01:09:38.680 which is pull out like your father should have.

01:09:43.260 See,

01:09:43.880 it didn't make sense as much with someone who wasn't like the,

01:09:46.900 it wasn't pointed at their dad in some,

01:09:48.640 some way.

01:09:49.380 It was just kind of dumb,

01:09:50.520 you know,

01:09:50.760 like a dumb insult.

01:09:51.620 But with this,

01:09:51.980 it's like hits on multiple levels,

01:09:53.640 but you know,

01:09:54.740 well,

01:09:54.860 yes,

01:09:55.060 we're saying pull out of Afghanistan.

01:09:56.500 And also we're saying she should not exist.

01:09:59.880 I mean,

01:10:00.380 I will say I was really surprised with how well it performed.

01:10:03.040 Cause while it was good,

01:10:04.260 this isn't like our grade a content.

01:10:05.860 So it was weird.

01:10:07.000 It got so well received.

01:10:08.100 I think it was just the timing of it.

01:10:09.700 And then so people who grabbed onto it and,

01:10:11.960 you know,

01:10:12.140 just,

01:10:12.660 yeah,

01:10:13.160 I mean,

01:10:13.400 you know what midweek,

01:10:15.420 it was kind of late at night and Scott Horton's like an hour before

01:10:18.280 or an hour.

01:10:19.620 Yeah.

01:10:20.400 Earlier than us.

01:10:21.220 I tagged him in this.

01:10:22.500 He saw it.

01:10:24.320 And retweeted it.

01:10:26.440 And then a bunch of people picked it up and he retweeted like the

01:10:29.120 first letter of it,

01:10:30.120 which was awesome.

01:10:31.360 And then he wound up following me as well.

01:10:34.280 Hey,

01:10:34.920 Hey,

01:10:35.560 nice.

01:10:37.240 Did you,

01:10:37.760 I'm going to go,

01:10:39.200 go ahead.

01:10:40.200 I was going to say,

01:10:41.000 I'm actually going to go against the grain here.

01:10:42.940 This isn't my golden tower.

01:10:44.180 I'm with the other one.

01:10:45.520 Wow.

01:10:45.900 I don't,

01:10:46.160 I don't like this.

01:10:47.020 Like once you read it back to me,

01:10:49.180 it didn't do anything.

01:10:50.120 The other one actually did something for me.

01:10:51.720 It's just because we've already seen it.

01:10:53.180 That's the only reason.

01:10:54.560 Um,

01:10:55.740 but I have to agree.

01:10:56.920 Cole,

01:10:57.200 you're in,

01:10:57.600 yeah,

01:10:57.740 you're in this tower.

01:10:58.680 So yeah,

01:10:58.940 I'm in this tower.

01:10:59.580 Yeah.

01:10:59.900 I just have to,

01:11:00.720 I have to agree though.

01:11:01.400 I think that,

01:11:01.900 uh,

01:11:02.700 you know,

01:11:02.900 it's time to call Obama a homo is pretty fucking funny.

01:11:04.860 I will admit that makes my dick move more,

01:11:09.060 but at the same time you have to think about what the purpose of tower,

01:11:13.260 tower gang is and how deep of a callback that is.

01:11:16.540 Cause it's like,

01:11:17.240 that's like a deep next level.

01:11:18.740 Like you got to be in,

01:11:19.940 you know,

01:11:20.220 the shit like,

01:11:21.560 cause like you got to know neocon remover,

01:11:23.120 you got to know the references and then you're like,

01:11:24.280 Oh,

01:11:24.400 okay.

01:11:24.560 That's hilarious.

01:11:25.320 Oh yeah.

01:11:25.620 If you don't get that shit,

01:11:26.680 if you're someone looking in,

01:11:27.440 you're like,

01:11:27.720 what the fuck?

01:11:28.580 No,

01:11:28.780 I mean,

01:11:29.000 maybe you can make the case that like the ridiculousness of that makes it funny.

01:11:32.440 Like no one knows what the fuck you're talking about,

01:11:35.060 but I don't know.

01:11:36.160 I mean,

01:11:36.360 then also on top of it,

01:11:37.420 there is something to the fact that,

01:11:38.940 you know,

01:11:39.640 like,

01:11:40.000 I mean,

01:11:40.340 can numbers really lie?

01:11:41.500 Like something about that one was well,

01:11:44.220 more well received.

01:11:44.920 Maybe it was something that hits a little,

01:11:46.260 it's not as crass and a wider audience gets it.

01:11:49.100 I don't know.

01:11:49.620 Maybe I'm always thinking it's being autistic.

01:11:51.500 It's way more lethal.

01:11:53.040 Yeah.

01:11:53.560 This is like the normie tower.

01:11:55.240 This is like a perfect normie golden tower.

01:11:57.500 Yeah.

01:11:57.720 My other one,

01:11:58.320 because I've been,

01:11:59.120 I've been doing so many towers now.

01:12:00.880 Like,

01:12:01.300 uh,

01:12:01.680 my dick doesn't get hard anymore for any shit.

01:12:05.280 I have to watch the nasty fucked up shit.

01:12:07.700 Now that you can get even get anything to move.

01:12:10.340 So,

01:12:11.040 I mean,

01:12:13.580 as you can see,

01:12:14.060 these people thought it was pretty savage.

01:12:15.660 We had,

01:12:15.860 well,

01:12:15.980 Scott Horton was,

01:12:16.880 I think the first quote retweet of it.

01:12:18.820 And then a whole bunch of people did.

01:12:20.320 We got ACE in here and you know,

01:12:22.340 a bunch of people definitely liked it.

01:12:24.640 So it's a numbers thing.

01:12:26.260 Definitely.

01:12:27.140 Yeah.

01:12:28.020 I know we got two V two here.

01:12:29.840 It might be a two V two.

01:12:30.860 And Reed is in here too.

01:12:32.380 Yes.

01:12:32.820 What happens if it's two V two?

01:12:34.380 Cause I'm,

01:12:34.640 you know what?

01:12:35.500 I'm like completely on the fence.

01:12:37.060 So I'm not going to pick.

01:12:38.140 I'm,

01:12:38.700 I'm conceding.

01:12:39.580 I'm being a non-voting anarchist here.

01:12:41.200 So thereby.

01:12:43.680 Wow.

01:12:44.340 This actually,

01:12:45.060 I feel like it's an upset.

01:12:45.860 So we're going to have to give whoever from,

01:12:50.640 who was it from the fucking.

01:12:53.440 I feel like we,

01:12:54.340 we owe Neocon remover an honorary trophy.

01:12:57.920 Yeah.

01:12:59.120 Wow.

01:13:00.960 That's it.

01:13:01.380 I think that's a huge upset.

01:13:02.820 It is a 100% huge upset.

01:13:04.380 All right.

01:13:04.740 I think,

01:13:05.260 because I think we've been giving a lot of these golden towers to just the

01:13:10.260 ones that are popular,

01:13:11.260 not the ones that are actually good.

01:13:13.800 What was the tower again?

01:13:15.320 Someone say the,

01:13:16.060 say it fully.

01:13:17.680 I'm going to give it the golden tower.

01:13:19.620 And it is war is gay.

01:13:23.020 Time to call Obama a homo.

01:13:25.920 I think that's the title.

01:13:27.740 Time to call Obama a homo.

01:13:29.320 Just that.

01:13:30.060 That's it.

01:13:32.180 We're giving away the golden tower and all of the.

01:13:35.960 Right on live.

01:13:37.460 That's perfect.

01:13:38.240 Time to call Obama a homo with Liberty Lockdown.

01:13:41.020 They're titling.

01:13:41.700 Just beautiful.

01:13:42.580 All the titles.

01:13:43.720 I love it so much.

01:13:44.800 And this is our,

01:13:45.580 we have a couple new tower gang.

01:13:48.040 Oh my God.

01:13:49.260 Golden tower memes.

01:13:50.320 This is the one that unironic made.

01:13:52.520 That's so rad.

01:13:53.280 You know what?

01:13:53.680 I already see someone saying war is gay.

01:13:55.540 You know what?

01:13:55.920 Let's do this.

01:13:56.460 I'll put up a poll at some point to choose the title between war is gay

01:14:00.220 or,

01:14:00.880 or time to call Obama a homo.

01:14:02.140 I think time to call Obama a homo has more,

01:14:04.000 more punch and more hilarity to it,

01:14:05.780 but I'll let,

01:14:06.320 I'll let the people decide.

01:14:07.220 Fuck it.

01:14:07.640 You know,

01:14:08.680 the guy who doesn't believe in democracy.

01:14:10.220 Yes.

01:14:12.040 It's a market analysis.

01:14:13.680 If I disagree hard enough,

01:14:15.000 I don't give a shit.

01:14:15.660 I'll do what I want.

01:14:20.360 All right.

01:14:20.840 I got to grab some food.

01:14:21.940 We got anything else to cover?

01:14:23.360 No,

01:14:23.680 I think we're good.

01:14:24.320 I think we got through it all.

01:14:25.500 Yeah.

01:14:25.660 I got out of here.

01:14:26.240 You're killing my chance of getting late tonight,

01:14:27.660 guys.

01:14:28.380 I think we already did.

01:14:29.540 Sorry.

01:14:29.900 You better hope,

01:14:30.500 you better hope your wife has a,

01:14:31.800 as a epileptic seizure again,

01:14:34.240 because real quick.

01:14:35.680 Plug.

01:14:36.500 Plug.

01:14:37.180 Fucking me.

01:14:38.600 No way.

01:14:38.980 Jose YouTube channel.

01:14:40.360 I'm also a radio podcaster at as well.

01:14:43.740 Fucking.

01:14:44.220 I'm at like two 10 ish right now.

01:14:45.760 Give me some,

01:14:46.200 go sub to my ass so I can go fucking get to sync up to Odyssey.

01:14:49.900 Cause I don't want to manually update that shit.

01:14:51.600 I'm lazy.

01:14:52.800 Fucking tomorrow.

01:14:54.640 I'm recording with Clint.

01:14:55.460 Just so you all know.

01:14:56.060 And I,

01:14:56.300 I'm promised we are this time.

01:14:57.840 Last time we were going to record and fucking one of my cats decided to give birth that

01:15:01.600 night.

01:15:01.820 So that completely fucked it up.

01:15:03.180 I was,

01:15:03.920 I was devastated.

01:15:04.620 Cause this is a topic I've been wanting to talk to him about for a while about the clear

01:15:07.940 pill and how,

01:15:08.840 you know,

01:15:09.140 we're going to talk about that shit.

01:15:10.480 Let's do it.

01:15:11.420 And so I'm looking forward to it.

01:15:12.440 Every time I think about your hair is a suppository,

01:15:14.520 by the way.

01:15:15.300 And every time,

01:15:16.200 every time I think about Jose's hairless cats,

01:15:20.120 I'm going to think about Toad's asshole from now on.

01:15:21.880 So hell yeah.

01:15:23.880 Only way I can come.

01:15:28.000 All right.

01:15:28.400 That's a good way to edit.

01:15:29.280 Uh,

01:15:29.440 follow me at Liberty lock pot on Twitter,

01:15:31.260 Liberty lockdown podcast on YouTube,

01:15:33.200 Spotify,

01:15:33.560 iTunes,

01:15:33.800 everywhere else.

01:15:34.220 Love you.

01:15:34.580 Bye bye.

01:15:35.740 All right.

01:15:36.120 Wow.

01:15:36.440 We didn't even get to,

01:15:37.180 uh,

01:15:37.400 me and Toad are like,

01:15:38.240 fuck it.

01:15:38.640 We don't,

01:15:38.880 no,

01:15:38.940 no,

01:15:39.040 no.

01:15:39.180 I just,

01:15:39.640 no,

01:15:39.820 no,

01:15:40.000 we're still live retards.

Tower Gang - July 20, 2021

Ep 6 - Time to Call Obama a Homo w⧸ Liberty Lockdown

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