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00:09:19.000Okay, guys, we're joined with the great Peter Navarro, certainly one of the architects of the America First trade policies, someone who's also been persecuted by the deep state, the Uni Party in D.C., with the unequal I think we have a lot to talk about, Peter, because you were there on the front lines.
00:09:41.000You were there, you know, guiding an America first trade policy.
00:09:46.000And they went after you, you know, like they're doing to my father.
00:09:49.000But to start off with, it's clear that the swamp and the deep state, they're not even trying to hide their corruption anymore.
00:09:58.000They're not even trying to hide their bias.
00:10:00.000I mean, they're basically just coming out and straight at just saying it.
00:10:05.000They're willing to destroy the lives of pretty much anyone in the MAGA movement, anyone that
00:10:11.000gets in their way, either by putting, say, my father and his allies in jail or burying
00:10:38.000And as someone, you know, it's easy for me to complain about me and my father, but you were another person that, you know, they tried dragging through this mess.
00:10:44.000Talk about it a little bit. What do we have to do next?
00:10:47.000Well, first of all, to that point, I'm actually, Don, the first...
00:10:54.000Senior White House official in the history, the entire history of our republic, to ever be charged with contempt of Congress.
00:11:02.000Never happened before, and for good reason, because of the constitutional separation of power.
00:11:09.000So, you know, the fact they went after me, the fact they're going after virtually every Trump official and advisor, including and up to your father, It indicates very clearly to both of us, I think, that they are deeply afraid of a MAGA agenda, which will return the old slogan in the 60s, power to the people, power to Main Street.
00:11:45.000Don, is try to distinguish clearly for your viewers between the signal and the noise.
00:11:52.000The noise is going to be indictment after indictment after indictment, which is like throwing chum in the water for the MSNBCs and CNNs on the left, but also...
00:12:08.000The disreputable now Fox News under the Murdochs with Roger Ailes gone.
00:12:13.000It's the excuse to not cover the biggest corruption scandal in the history of the Oval Office, which is what's going on with Biden.
00:12:19.000It's like, hey, we don't really have to cover it because we're doing this.
00:12:30.000Yeah, the cognitive dissonance there, the dual system of injustice, the weaponization, the two-tier system of injustice, whatever you want to call it, Don.
00:12:42.000This is like, the American people understand this is fundamentally wrong, which every time a new indictment comes up, your father goes up in the polls.
00:12:52.000But all of that is noise compared to the signal.
00:12:55.000The signal here, which we can never lose sight of, This is a seditious conspiracy to prevent Donald John Trump from getting back in the White House in January of 2025.
00:13:10.000You mentioned that I was there at the beginning.
00:13:13.000I don't think anybody would have bet on me at the time that I would have been only one of three senior White House advisors That went all the way from the campaign in 2016 to the end.
00:13:25.000It was me, Miller, and Scavino, right?
00:13:28.000We were the guys who survived because we had a mission which was to serve the mission of your father.
00:13:36.000And the other part of the thing that people have to understand is, historically, this started from the campaign itself.
00:15:26.000And the next thing that happens is the judiciary, right?
00:15:31.000The judiciary of Brazil Makes a ruling that says Bolsonaro can't run in the next two elections.
00:15:40.000So they basically weaponized the judicial system in Brazil to prevent the Trump of Brazil from ever running again, because he'll be long gone in two election cycles.
00:15:53.000If you go to Pakistan, The Trump of Pakistan met the same fate.
00:16:00.000He gets out of office, he can run again, and now he can't run again because the judiciary took him out.
00:16:09.000So we come here. And that's the signal.
00:16:12.000This is all about stopping Trump's policies.
00:16:15.000And who is it? Look, who is it that's trying to stop these Trump policies?
00:16:19.000It starts with Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and the multinational corporations who all want to have insecure, open borders to bring in cheap labor, right?
00:16:36.000And all the money they have and make from that goes now into commercials on CNN and MSNBC and campaign contributions to what I call, you know, the kamikaze candidates in the Republican primaries.
00:16:51.000The Christie's, the Pence's, the Haley's, and then you gotta...
00:16:57.000I'm almost getting to the point now where I'm going to feel sorry for DeSantis, because the only thing he's now, he's like a milking cow with upholsters and political consultants sucking him dry, and good for them.
00:17:08.000Oh, well, yeah, I think, what was it, like, 67% or something of every dollar goes to Jeff Rowe?
00:17:19.000I'm watching all of his paid influencers in the last two weeks.
00:17:23.000They're literally taking the Adam Schiff talking points.
00:17:28.000The Adam Schiff, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney talking points and running with them.
00:17:34.000I mean, the flip-flop on Ukraine out of DeSantis.
00:17:37.000The flip-flop on the weaponization I saw right after my father was charged.
00:17:40.000Well, he's going to take that out of D.C. It's like, well, I remember three weeks ago when he had no interest and he was like, oh, that's not really a problem.
00:17:47.000Man, it sucks because I had hoped for a lot for him in terms of I want us to have a deep Republican bench.
00:17:54.000To your point about Bolsonaro, they try to take Trump out, but I want to make sure we have other people that can eventually fill those shoes and run with that same agenda.
00:18:05.000But we don't. We have people controlled by the billionaires.
00:18:09.000We have people controlled We have people controlled by the deep state.
00:18:11.000We have people controlled by the uni party.
00:18:13.000And they want to be liked. They want to be loved.
00:18:15.000And more importantly, you know, they need the money.
00:18:17.000So they'll do and say anything that they need to, flip-flop at a hat like we've seen DeSantis, to try to keep that money flowing.
00:18:25.000And it's like, wait a minute. Like, I actually thought you were America first.
00:18:28.000I thought you believed in these things.
00:18:29.000But literally all of your influencers are pushing the January 6th committee, like, talking points now?
00:18:36.000Because that's what... I mean, it's lunacy.
00:18:38.000And the problem is, You know, once that person gets into office and he's beholden to all of these people, do you really think he's going to be America first?
00:18:45.000Do you think he's going to be, you know, China first with, you know, we'll say a couple nice things about America occasionally, because, you know, that's what I think we get.
00:18:54.000Well, look, I had a piece last week in The Washington Times, and it's also in my substack, and it was a piece about irony, the irony being that your dad...
00:19:08.000He'll go down in history as one of the most successful entrepreneurs in America, ever.
00:19:13.000But the irony is that he has created a Never Trump industry Which is making hundreds of billions of dollars, and it's dedicated to Donald Trump's destruction.
00:19:31.000And we mentioned the Wall Street, the Silicon Valley, and all of that.
00:19:35.000But you also have what I call the Trump disloyalists.
00:19:39.000You know, besides the Christie's and the Haley's and the Pence's, you've got like, when I was in the White House, Don, you know, I'm serving side by side with Alyssa Farah, I'm serving with Bolton.
00:21:25.000I mean, you mentioned your Substack column, and you basically said that you think that Democrats are trying to push us towards civil war.
00:21:33.000I mean, for all the unity talk that I heard coming out of Biden during the campaign, it's a soundbite, but then he'll vilify 75 million Americans in his speeches and stuff like that.
00:21:45.000So it's, like everything else, probably all bullshit.
00:21:50.000You know, what you meant by that and what that means, because obviously, you know, it's a big statement and we've got to worry about it.
00:21:58.000Yeah, and thanks for mentioning, look, the Substack is peternavar.substack.com, peternavar.substack.com.
00:22:05.000What I'm trying to do there, Don, with that Substack is provide cutting edge, like short form op-ed length Articles that also become podcasts as well.
00:22:18.000And what I'm trying to focus on are two major things.
00:22:22.000One is like all things Trump 2024 and also all things how the communist Chinese are trying to take us down.
00:22:30.000One of the pieces I had recently in the substat was this threat of civil war.
00:22:36.000The left kind of, their heads exploded when I even mentioned that.
00:22:42.000But I was very careful about, to start it off, with polling from very reputable pollsters that say that half are Republicans and a third, roughly, are Democrats think we may have a second I attribute this to a couple of things.
00:23:01.000One is that the American public has lost faith in our democratic system as a result of everything the Democrats did leading into the 2020 election.
00:23:18.000Before 1980, Don, we had A system where it was paper ballots and legal ballots counted and paper ballots with really good signature match and ID verification.
00:23:32.000And we never even had to worry about that.
00:23:35.000We've morphed into this world of absentee ballots, mail-in ballots, universal voting, drop boxes, ballot harvesting, and The Democrats pushed all of these reforms as a way of legally getting illegal ballots into the voting stream.
00:23:55.000So that's one of the things pushing us towards civil war.
00:23:59.000But the other thing is the radical portion of the Democrat Party, which controls it and Biden, are hitting us with things that are so offensive to God, country, family, culture, Religion.
00:24:17.000It's just crazy stuff that's trying to jam down our throats.
00:24:22.000And we're saying we don't want any part of that.
00:24:26.000And it's frightening to think that we could get four more years of that from a fool who can't even stand up the stairs going into Air Force One.
00:24:35.000I'm talking about Joe Biden, of course.
00:24:38.000Yeah. Well, listen, I mean, there's no question there seems to be another industry there in creating that strife between the American public.
00:24:46.000And I know, you know, orange man bad and such, but I don't think a reasonable person could look at where they stand today versus four years ago and say they're better off.
00:24:56.000I... I guess I have an economics degree from Wharton.
00:25:00.000I'm not a professional economist, but I can't think of a single metric, not one, where anyone is better off today, whether that's inflation, whether that's interest rates, whether that's literally anything, energy independence, job.
00:25:17.000Joe Biden, I know they're very good at sort of changing the way things have historically been measured to paint a glowing picture, but But talk about that, because for all the faults and all the things that they say about Trump, I don't think anyone could really sell—I see Joe Biden selling us Bidenomics, but I'm the son of a billionaire.
00:25:37.000If I'm pissed off when I'm filling up my truck or when I take my kids to a grocery store because I got them for the weekend— Ordinary Americans must be getting crushed.
00:25:47.000And if it's obvious to me, how is it not obvious to them?
00:25:51.000I'm old enough to remember as an adult, a young adult, the 1970s stagflation.
00:26:00.000And what's important to understand about stagflation, which is a combination of Of inflation, obviously, but also either flat-out recessions grow slower than it should be, right?
00:26:14.000And it's a very painful kind of macroeconomic malady.
00:26:21.000Because it just taxes the hell out of you, particularly if you're like a deplorable, right?
00:26:58.000And when I was in the White House in May of 2020, right, I actually wrote a memo to the Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, that was supposed to go to your father.
00:27:13.000I doubt if it ever did, because that's what Meadows did, frankly.
00:27:17.000But I warned Precisely of stagflation in that memo because I saw how the pandemic was attacking the resiliency of our supply chains.
00:27:30.000I saw how our urban environment was shifting.
00:27:36.000People were going to the suburbs, were howling out.
00:27:39.000And it was just a recipe For the kinds of conditions that we would have.
00:27:44.000And so what we did at the time was double up our efforts to bring our supply chains home, which was critical, make them more resilient, take the kind of MAGA steps that we needed to do.
00:27:58.000And then the election happened and out your father went.
00:28:03.000And when Biden comes in, He's like a stagflation creator, right?
00:28:09.000The first thing he does is surrender our strategic energy dominance, right?
00:28:15.000It's like, yeah, you can't be drilling, you can't be on those lands, no pipelines or whatever.
00:28:20.000We get spikes in oil prices, which then go to spikes in food prices because food prices are driven by fertilizer prices, which is made from oil.
00:28:31.000As well as transportation, even though that's not included in CPI. They conveniently leave that one out.
00:28:37.000Yes, they conveniently leave that out.
00:28:40.000And so Biden does this, so he's creating stagflation there.
00:28:50.000And that's what we call cost-pushing inflation.
00:28:53.000And then he starts passing these multi-trillion dollar bills over and over, and that's demand-pull inflation, which is like a freight train going down.
00:29:03.000I mean, we've had a little spot where it kind of looks like the economy's growing, but it's the eye of a hurricane, Don, because interest rates are not going down for a very long time.
00:29:16.000And that's slowly choking small business.
00:29:18.000It's slowly choking the corporations who do a lot of deal-making.
00:29:23.000And it's slowly choking consumers because it's hitting them with the credit card debt.
00:29:28.000And all of this, as your father once said in a famous speech, is a politician-made disaster.
00:29:41.000Repeat after me. And that's what we got.
00:29:43.000You know, campaigns are about About powerful, short messaging, and that's one of the ones I'm going to be carrying.
00:29:51.000Look, the other reality here is that two-thirds of the time that Biden's been in office, real wages, which are wages adjusted by inflation, have been falling.
00:30:55.000And you have to wonder, and again, if we had other than regime propagandists in our media, you'd be asking the question, are they making these decisions because China has all of that?
00:31:06.000Well, let me start with something that's happening right now that's absolutely frightening as a result of your father not being president.
00:31:16.000We've got rocket man, Kim Jong-un, in North Korea.
00:31:22.000Just setting off unprecedented amounts of rockets and bombs and testing and developing first and second strike capabilities to hit the United States.
00:31:33.000Okay? And when your father was in office He went head-to-head and face-to-face with Rocket Man, and that little dude, he wasn't doing anything.
00:31:46.000He knew that Donald Trump was going to come bust his ass if he pulled any of that crap, okay?
00:31:55.000The way I ever wound up at Trump Tower in the summer of 2016 on the campaign, Was your dad read my first book on China called The Coming China Wars, which was published in 2006.
00:32:10.000And he happened to say something in the LA Times that it was on his top 10 list.
00:32:15.000And I reached out to him through RONA and we began a correspondence.
00:32:20.000And when time came for the campaign, he was like, find Navarro and let's get some China stuff done, right?
00:33:47.000It's like the difference between a democracy like ours and the Chinese bureaucracy is those same son of a bitches that I would sit across the table from and negotiate with are the same sons of bitches that are doing it with the Biden people.
00:35:16.000I think they're our number one threat by far, but We're good to go.
00:35:38.000I don't love most of their system, but the continuity component, especially if you have competent people, is rather important.
00:35:46.000We have neither continuity nor competent people.
00:35:50.000Well, let's start with the observation that the American consumer is paying for the rise of the Chinese military.
00:36:02.000It's scary to me that our Trade deficit with China is roughly the size of their military budget.
00:36:11.000Think about that, Don. So when we go to the Walmart, the big box retailers, and buy that made in China crap, which is what it is, it's like we're essentially funding the missiles and the aircraft carriers and the submarines that China is going to use against us to sink our aircraft carriers and our submarines and bomb Guam and In the South China Sea, the East China Sea, and the South Pacific.
00:36:59.000It's like, walk softly, but carry a big stick.
00:37:03.000As strong as his rhetoric was with Communist China, it was never over the top.
00:37:10.000It was just, hey, if you're going to do this, we're going to do this.
00:37:14.000And he was convincing enough that they believed that and that that was the way to go.
00:37:20.000What we need to do now, because we know The Communist Chinese will not keep any DLA signed, so negotiations are fruitless.
00:37:29.000We need to begin quickly the process of decoupling our economy from Communist China, and then we need to get back to the old days of soft power projection all around the world.
00:37:44.000Like China, communist China right now is in every country in Africa and they've been there for
00:37:50.000for going on 30 years. And they show up with a briefcase of cash. They bribe their way into every
00:37:56.000rare earth mineral mine. And we're pushing green energy that, you know, whether it's the windmills
00:38:00.000that are made entirely in China or the solar or the batteries for your EVs, all of it 100 percent
00:38:08.000controlled by China. The statistic you mentioned about our trade deficit is roughly their military
00:38:13.000budget. I mean, I've actually never heard that amazingly enough. But like to me, that's like
00:38:18.000the strongest metric I've seen out there to understand like why we have to stop feeding
00:38:26.000into that, why we got to either have, you know, create the incentives to do these things ourselves,
00:38:31.000find other trade partners, not be beholden to China because we can save that.
00:38:36.000that last tenth of a cent, because they're having slave labor do the stuff, again, in less
00:38:43.000than environmental conditions and against all the sort of Democrat talking points that are out there.
00:38:48.000I mean, these people are doing it ruthlessly.
00:38:50.000They're doing it in a corrupt fashion.
00:38:52.000They're doing it with slave labor, in many cases, or essentially that, in terrible conditions.
00:38:59.000I think once we wake up to that, and I think that's a great way of saying it,
00:39:02.000our trade deficit is what they're spending on our military.
00:39:05.000That military will eventually be weaponized against us.
00:39:33.000And to that point, we've also got to stop our companies from providing China with a kind of competitive advantage to hit back on us.
00:39:46.000If you look, for example, at artificial intelligence, there's a lot of reasons why this is going to be a technology that is going to pose threats to the world.
00:39:58.000But the biggest one has to be in military applications.
00:40:02.000It just has a dizzying array of military applications.
00:40:06.000So why is it That Microsoft, for example, has been working with the Communist Chinese in research on artificial intelligence.
00:40:16.000It makes no frigging sense that we would allow that.
00:40:22.000It's like, why would our NIH and the esteemed Dr.
00:40:27.000Anthony Fauci be funding China's research into...
00:40:30.000Basically, bioweapons. I wonder what could go wrong, Peter.
00:40:34.000What could go wrong? But this is happening every day.
00:40:40.000If you want to do any business in China, you've got to just submit and give them all of your IP, all of your technology, all of your trademarks.
00:40:47.000So they see, and they just start building from there.
00:41:41.000He has effectively thrown All of his Tesla production over to Shanghai.
00:41:48.000In the beginning, it was like, yeah, we're going to do some of it over there, but mostly it's going to be in America.
00:41:53.000No, no, no, no. He's won his big bet in Shanghai, and we've seen him go over there, kiss the Chinese ass, kowtow to them, because he knows, as you and I know, that one crossword about Xi Jinping or Communist China And Communist China is just going to take his Tesla factories.
00:42:17.000And meanwhile, what Musk doesn't understand, as smart as he is, that it's only a matter of time before Communist China takes that plant and the technology of Musk, just like the Nazis took the plant from Henry Ford in the 30s when Ford went over there with the same kind of naivete.
00:42:38.000And so you've got American corporations going over there, giving them to technologies.
00:43:15.000And I think we have to wake up to that a little bit sooner.
00:43:19.000And you're right. There's people that, you know, they say the right things sort of on TV. But ultimately, you know, we got to understand that they are beholden to those governments.
00:43:28.000And, you know, if you're in the battery space, I mean, China owns all of it.
00:43:33.000Through good dealings or otherwise, they show up with a briefcase of cash to other corrupt countries and they take advantage of that.
00:43:41.000If we even thought about doing that, they'd put us in cuffs.
00:43:45.000I'm not saying it's right, but we're not playing on a level playing field and we have to wake up to that and or do something about it.
00:43:52.000Someone smart I know once basically said that, hey, if you ever found out that these contracts were acquired illegally, you should be able to...
00:44:02.000Bring them back, expatriate them back from these things, and China would lose their minds because they know exactly the ill-gotten gains.
00:44:10.000Peter, you mentioned AI, and obviously there's a lot there.
00:44:16.000I had an interesting conversation with Palmer Luckey.
00:44:20.000He was the first conservative that ended up on The Facebook board, they threw him off later because he was a conservative, even though he was like 19 at the time.
00:44:28.000But super advanced tech guy, founded Oculus, sold that to Facebook, yada, yada, yada.
00:44:35.000But he was talking to me about AI like five or six years ago.
00:44:38.000He goes, you know, the real problem with it that we haven't realized is that, especially China, they'll weaponize this, is at any other point in history, You know, people could get together and they could, you know, rebel against oppression and do that.
00:44:52.000But with AI and a camera in any corner...
00:44:55.000It basically is allowing those governments and those dictatorial regimes, the second two people interact that way, before they can ever hit a critical mass, they can end it.
00:45:05.000So there's no actual hope for change as one of the scary aspects of AI. You mentioned the military component.
00:45:12.000Are there other things that we have to be thinking about?
00:45:14.000Because, you know, I think AI has a lot of benefits.
00:45:16.000I think it's going to displace all of our...
00:45:20.000Are ridiculous journalists very quickly because they don't actually do anything all that interesting or creative and they'll be easily replaced.
00:45:28.000They probably won't be able to replace a farmer as easily.
00:46:07.000And it can deploy these kinds of Of weapons in a real-time, sophisticated way that has a strategy and then immediately when it's out in space can react tactically faster than any human being could possibly do.
00:46:27.000You can imagine the Chinese AI military completely overwhelming ours.
00:46:40.000The second thing AI can do from a military perspective is totally scramble all of the logistics of A military that's dependent on any kind of electronic networks once you break into that.
00:46:58.000And then, look, the whole thing about China, Don, communist China, it's always communist China, is they have this doctrine called unrestricted warfare.
00:47:09.000To them, it's like nuclear weapons are so like 1950s.
00:47:13.000It's like, no, no, we don't need that.
00:47:15.000But what we can do is we can deploy AI, for example, and merge it with blockchain technology and go in and de-encrypt all the financial systems of the United States like in a heartbeat and suddenly it's like People don't have any money to spend or credit to give or whatever.
00:47:40.000A blackout, but in our financial system.
00:47:43.000So these are some of the things they can do, and it's frightening.
00:47:47.000I do want to talk about Fauci at some point, but what's your response to the AI thing?
00:47:53.000Well, it's interesting, you know, I hear, you know, you mentioned Musk earlier, you know, I hear him talking about, you know, the dangers and the pitfalls of it, and I agree.
00:48:01.000The problem is, I don't think that China or Iran or Russia or our enemies around the world, I don't think they care.
00:48:11.000You can't put the genie back in the body.
00:48:29.000But you mentioned China will never adhere to a document that they signed.
00:48:34.000They'll sign a document, and three seconds later, they'll be breaking it and doing whatever they can, hoping they don't get caught.
00:48:40.000If they get caught, they'll start over.
00:48:42.000We'll go in there in good faith, pretending that they're going to do the right thing, and they won't do it, even though they say they will.
00:48:50.000Because once the genie's out of the bottle, if there's no real way to police our enemies...
00:48:57.000I'd love to see the restrictions, but only if they were universal.
00:49:02.000The biggest restrictions we should have, and the ones that make the most sense, are restricting American companies and American capital from helping China develop AI. That's a certainty.
00:49:17.000We don't help their academics at our universities.
00:49:50.000I mean, if he's ever disappointed in you, you know that's the worst thing that can happen, right?
00:49:57.000That's the D word, you don't want a guy.
00:50:00.000So the only thing I would say with my experience in the White House with Fauci is I was disappointed Because I told the boss to fire Fauci on two different occasions.
00:50:16.000It was like, there's this, I think it's rightfully say, a historic encounter with Fauci in the iconic Situation Room.
00:50:27.000It's the end of January of 2020, right?
00:50:30.000That was essentially the dawn of what would be the pandemic.
00:50:35.000And I had been dispatched by your dad to go to the sit room and argue the case for the China travel ban.
00:50:47.000There was resistance among, Mulvaney was against it.
00:50:52.000You had these guys who I didn't yet know from the healthcare bureaucracies against it, right?
00:50:58.000And so I go in the situation room and there's this little gnome of a guy sitting across from me that I didn't know who he was.
00:51:08.000I didn't know him from Adam. And like five minutes in to the meeting, I'm in like this almost angry shouting match with this son of a bitch because he's vehemently against the travel ban and he's giving me no reason why.
00:51:28.000It's like, I'm going, you mean to tell me?
00:51:30.000It's like we're going to have 20,000 Chinese people come in every day into our country on aircraft direct from a hot zone where people are dying left and right.
00:51:48.000And it was like, I didn't know he walked on water at the time.
00:51:51.000My takeaway. And what was funny about it was, is he and Mulvaney kind of win that day.
00:51:57.000But I go that night and I write this memo.
00:52:01.000That turned out to be as accurate as anything I've ever read.
00:52:04.000I said, look, you don't do this travel ban and take other measures.
00:52:07.000We're going to kill half a million people, and it's equally important, not less important, but it's going to cost our economy trillions and trillions of dollars.
00:52:21.000And what I did is a classic bureaucratic trick.
00:52:23.000You'll love this sign. Is I plastered the email list to everybody, right?
00:52:29.000So it's like there's no way that they could suppress that.
00:53:17.000Remember, literally killing families and women and children.
00:53:21.000And the fact that your dad didn't fire him, that's why he's president and not me, because he made the calculated judgment.
00:53:27.000Here's the best part of this story, Don.
00:53:30.000The best part of this story is that, at the time, Fauci knew, he knew with certainty that that thing came from the Wuhan lab.
00:53:42.000And he knew with certainty because he himself had funded gain-of-function research in the lab And he was already writing to his academics to get them to cover up what was his sin by propagating this phony lie about it being from nature.
00:54:05.000Okay? So if he had just come clean, if he had just come clean With your father and the American people, right then, we could have developed a much more effective vaccine faster, and we could have held the Communist Chinese accountable.
00:54:48.000Well, listen, talking about that sort of, you know, unequal system of justice, it's no coincidence, obviously, that these indictments magically of Trump come the day after major news happens on the Biden.
00:55:03.000You know, the first indictment came the day after he's implicated.
00:55:06.000Then, you know, Hunter Biden gets the sweetheart deal with Grant, you know, all sorts of extra immunity and, like, Like, why are we giving him immunity for something that has nothing to do with the charges that we already know about that no one else would have gotten that benefit of it?
00:55:30.000When should or should the House start moving towards impeachment?
00:55:33.000Because, you know, I heard a lot, and you heard a lot during the Trump presidency, you know, every little, every time, if he tweeted something, it was worse than Watergate.
00:55:42.000It's where, you know, Bob Woodward and all these clowns, you know, they come out there and do this, but this is way worse than Watergate, and it's like, they're...
00:55:52.000They're allowing it to be overshadowed by weaponizing their government against their political enemies?
00:56:43.000You know, it's like, and what about the FBI? Which, I mean, look, the FBI, the FBI put Stephen Halper, an ex-CIA guy, as an informant into the Trump campaign in 2016.
00:57:09.000This is the worst kind of sedition, and these people need to be held accountable for it.
00:57:18.000I always say, coming into politics, this wonderful journey we've got to be on for the last seven or eight years, I always say, as ruthless as business could be, it doesn't even compare to the abuses and corruption- In politics, the stuff we've seen against my father, my family, and his allies, the inverse response for the Democrats and actual corruption, the people at the FBI who lied before Congress.
00:57:50.000Nothing happens. They get rewarded with jobs as talk show hosts and pundits on CNN and MSDNC. They didn't get the treatment that you or I would have gotten.
00:58:00.000Talk about how you've been a victim yourself in all of this.
00:58:05.000Virtually everyone in my father's corner has been.
00:58:10.000They literally wanted to put you in those for not going along with their nonsense.
00:58:16.000And now going after the president himself.
00:58:18.000These charges last week about the new January 6th stuff.
00:58:24.000Because they didn't do it two and a half years ago when it happened.
00:58:27.000They just see him rising in the polls.
00:58:29.000So now is when we have to throw more on there to do it.
00:58:34.000Is getting, you know, indictment after indictment, subpoena after, it just never ends.
00:58:39.000You know, talk about your experience within all of that, because you were one of the people they targeted heavily as well.
00:58:46.000Well, look, when I was in the White House, my primary mission was to help your dad create jobs, primarily manufacturing jobs.
00:58:56.000I was the manufacturing czar, as it were.
00:59:01.000For the first three years, he did a heck of a job at that.
00:59:06.000And I personally can claim at least partial and sometimes full credit boots on the ground.
00:59:14.000We're doing things like saving the Philadelphia shipyard or helping to save tank plants in Pennsylvania or a shipyard in Marriott, Wisconsin or an F-16 new production facility in South Carolina under the banner of your father.
00:59:34.000He says, go forth and multiply those factories.
00:59:37.000And that's what we did. And then the fourth year, I became effectively the quartermaster during the pandemic.
00:59:46.000I saw it sooner than just about everybody in the White House because, I don't know if you know this, but back in that book I was telling you about, The Coming China Wars, I actually wrote that China was going to create a pandemic.
01:00:21.000So in ordinary times I get out of the White House, it's like, hey, maybe...
01:00:28.000Maybe people show me a little respect, TV, maybe welcome back in academia, maybe a corporate board or something.
01:00:37.000It's like, no, I'm going to end up getting hounded, hounded, absolutely hounded by the Biden, FBI, and DOJ. And the story with the FBI, I mean, here's the thing, you can't make this up.
01:00:51.000It's like, I live in an apartment, Don, In Washington, D.C. on Pennsylvania Avenue.
01:00:58.000Okay? I go out on the balcony and I look to my right and it's the FBI. I look across the street.
01:01:15.000Either trying to put me in prison or prosecute me in some way.
01:01:22.000And so what the FBI did when they arrested me is instead of calling my attorney, as I asked them to do, or had me walk across the street to their headquarters or being cordial about it, They let me get on a plane with a loved one, go out to Reagan Airport, sit there for an hour, and then they take me down with five armed FBI agents in a gangway, Slap handcuffs on me, wrap my arms behind my back,
01:01:53.000and throw me on the back seat of a little car, take me in, and kind of roughly process me there.
01:02:01.000And it's like, yeah, take off your neckties so you don't hang yourself.
01:02:07.000You take off your belt so you don't hang yourself.
01:03:26.000Contrary to what they say on CNN. If you had done what Hunter Biden had done, can you imagine how How you would be treated, okay? You'd be like, you'd probably be locked up in Guantanamo.
01:03:47.000That's what I say. By the way, if I acted like Hunter, DJT would put me there himself.
01:04:32.000You know, and amid all of this, Trump is actually getting stronger and stronger in the polling.
01:04:38.000I mean, that's, you know, I think initially it was designed, you know, to make it look, oh, well, maybe we got to get away.
01:04:44.000Then it became so egregious, so excessive, so over the top that, like, ordinary Americans, even those in the center, they're like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:04:54.000I'm watching Never Trumpers be like, listen, I don't like the guy, but this can't stand in America.
01:04:59.000Because they're smart enough to realize...
01:05:01.000That if they can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone.
01:05:04.000If they will do it to Trump, someone who's got a huge soapbox, the power of beans to be able to push back and fight, who won't they destroy?
01:05:13.000I think we've watched, you know, the FBI, whether it's what they did to you,
01:05:18.000or whether what it is do they do to a school mom who's concerned
01:05:21.000and goes to a PTA meeting and say, hey, I don't want my kids being indoctrinated.
01:05:33.000Are the other candidates there just to, you know, waste resources that could be used to defeat Joe Biden?
01:05:40.000Because, you know, they're ultimately establishment clowns and there's no consequence, right?
01:05:46.000If they lose, they'll get some sort of ambassadorship and if they can stop Trump from taking it over, you know, that's okay and the ends justify the means?
01:05:55.000Well, look, when I was in the White House, Going into 2020, sitting in the Oval with your dad and you have people come in and blow smoke, you know, where say everything is going to be cool.
01:06:12.000It's like I was always a person who would say, this is going to be tough.
01:06:19.000I don't care what the national polls say.
01:06:23.000And what I think is, right now, if you held it today, it's over.
01:06:28.000But please understand, Don, there's going to be an October surprise, a November surprise, a December surprise, a January surprise, going into that first primary in South Carolina, where they already have the deck on.
01:06:41.000It's another thing I wrote about in my substack.
01:06:44.000It's like, you've got Nikki Haley and Tim Scott as the favorite son and daughter there.
01:06:51.000And you've got a state, and DeSantis is going to try to pit people off.
01:06:59.000And so they're going to try to break his momentum early.
01:07:25.000And we just got to go forward, Don, like this is a dogfight.
01:07:31.000And yeah, it's going to waste resources.
01:07:34.000And, you know, look, these people are...
01:07:36.000Chris Christie, to me, is like the most despicable person associated now with that primary as a face.
01:07:44.000Of course, all the money that's behind him and all of the left-wing press and the Fox that puts him on TV all the time, even though he's got like 2% in the polls, it's like, this is what's going to happen.
01:07:59.000And so, you know, I'm the guy who says...
01:08:30.000But that was interesting. You talked about sort of a January surprise, a December surprise.
01:08:34.000I mean, most of the time, we think of the October surprise in a general election.
01:08:39.000But you're actually talking about sort of the games that the Republican establishment will try to play in the primary, you know, Not quite, you know, a little less than a year in advance of the general.
01:08:54.000I mean, break that down a little bit further because, again, we always think of, you know, the October surprise in terms of a general election.
01:09:13.000They went in and over a sustained period of time, like, changed all the rules of Of the game, right?
01:09:20.000In a way that allowed them to do what I call the grand stuff-the-ballot-box strategy.
01:09:24.000The analog here is that both Democrats and Republicans are going to try to change the primary rules in ways which are going to take away votes.
01:09:35.000You know, instead of like a winner-take-all primary, In California, they've tried to do it proportional.
01:09:41.000It's like California has the largest amount of electoral votes.
01:09:44.000Those are the kinds of games they're going to play.
01:09:46.000They're going to come up with new alleged scandals.
01:09:49.000They're going to come up with new indictments.
01:09:51.000We've still got the Fulton County folks going.
01:09:54.000I wouldn't be surprised if the RINOs and the Democrats under Katie Hobbs out in Arizona try some crap.
01:10:02.000And it's just, it's going to be the proverbial crap storm leading up to then.
01:10:09.000But what's interesting to me, Don, is like the public, every time this happens, the public sees through it.
01:10:17.000And I hope they just keep seeing through it and keep getting disgusted, not just with the Democrats, but with these rhino Republicans.
01:10:25.000I mean, Chris Christie, I mean, that son of a bitch, how dare he?
01:10:30.000How dare that son of a bitch do what he is doing?
01:10:33.000I saw him, I remember the last time I saw him Was in the East Wing working on debate preparation with your father.
01:10:43.000And that son of a bitch was terrible at helping your father.
01:10:46.000And he's just a lame ass, no good guy who's like taking money from rhinos and just he's on some kind of ego trip.
01:11:00.000He says all the things that he's going to do differently.
01:11:03.000What he doesn't say is that Chris Christie was in charge of the plum book that actually put so many of those rhinos and never-Trumpers In positions of power in the Trump White House.
01:11:14.000That was his job on the transition committee.
01:11:17.000So if anyone genuinely thinks he's going to be different, some of the initial, I'll say it, you know, bad hires were because we trusted people like Chris Christie who did have a little bit more inside knowledge and put in those people.
01:11:49.000I've never really talked about this or haven't talked about it, but I remember during the height of the pandemic when I was trying to get enough masks and thermometers and other PPE and everything.
01:12:19.000My favorite moment of Chris Christie is that guy sitting like a whale on the beach.
01:12:29.000During lockdown, when he's sitting there getting a suntan, when everybody else in New Jersey can't go to the beach, and his poll ratings fall to like 9%.
01:12:40.000I mean, he's never recovered from that, nor should he.
01:13:06.000I got one more for you because there's lots of speculation that Biden's going to be replaced in 2024 somewhere.
01:13:15.000I mean, I think Biden really, he gives the deep state and the Democrats everything that they want.
01:13:20.000I mean, it's sort of a useful idiot that way.
01:13:22.000I mean, he doesn't have to be cognizant.
01:13:25.000All he has to do is be able to sign a piece of paper that they stick in front of him.
01:13:28.000But How much incentive is there really to replace him if he's doing the bidding?
01:13:33.000I think Obama would have wanted to do the things that Joe Biden is doing.
01:13:37.000He just wasn't willing to destroy his reputation to do so.
01:13:42.000So I feel like these are almost Obama plans for America, but they could care less about Joe Biden and his legacy.
01:13:51.000Well, I'm surprised he's lasted this long, but I can explain why.
01:13:57.000I said early on, even before Biden was inaugurated, that he wouldn't last more than half the time, but it was premised on Kamala Doing a far better, better job than she's even come close to, right?
01:14:18.000If she were popular and competent, they would have gently nudged him out already.
01:14:27.000Because the hunter thing, the stumble up the stairs, all of that stuff.
01:14:36.000See, the same deep administrative state, Don, that's trying to take your father out will probably turn on Joe and use Hunter as a way to do it.
01:14:48.000There'll be a deal cut and Hunter will get his pardon and Joe will walk away.
01:14:54.000And the question then becomes, is it Newsom?
01:15:04.000All we can do right now is keep doing what we're doing, which is support Donald John Trump with our MAGA Republican agenda, fend off the rhinos, repudiate the Dems, and keep pointing out This dual system of injustice, which I think is really a strong argument right now, particularly to independents who just,
01:15:37.000I mean, they're just up in arms over this.
01:15:58.000What's your sort of best Trump story from your time in the White House that can...
01:16:05.000Maybe shed a different light to, say, those independents or otherwise, you know, maybe people who are still somewhat open to looking beyond what they see on CNN. Well, look, let me just say generally that one of the things I loved about serving in the White House, which was generally a very arduous kind of existence every day, was Watching your dad hold court in the Oval when we were debating like a critical policy.
01:16:40.000And he'd have like eight or nine of us around the Resolute desk and he'd have people calling in on the phones and we'd be debating things.
01:16:52.000And it was like this beautiful symphony orchestra with him as the conductor leading everything and He's so warm and funny to the deplorable people, but at the same time, he could finish people's thoughts and then cut them off and move on to the next person in a heartbeat.
01:17:19.000I guess my favorite story is when we went head-to-head The two times with Xi Jinping, the first time, that was in Buenos Aires, and we watched Xi Jinping, the most powerful person in the world, according to him, literally kowtow to President Trump.
01:18:06.000The funny part was the second time we saw Xi Jinping.
01:18:10.000We're sitting there, Don, and At one point, your father talks about how the American military basically was responsible to drive the Japanese out of China during World War II. Xi Jinping went ballistic.
01:19:07.000Well, listen, thank you for what you're doing.
01:19:09.000I look forward to spending a bunch of time with you in the coming next brutal 18 months going on the campaign trail.
01:19:16.000But thanks for always holding true to those American values, the America First policies, everything that you did.
01:19:22.000You're a true patriot. And hey, guys, go check out his sub stack.
01:19:27.000Follow him there. I think you can learn a lot that you're not going to learn from the regular sources.
01:19:32.000So, Peter, thanks so much. It's always great to be with you, and I look forward to seeing you in person in the not-too-distant future, my friend.
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