Triggered - Donald Trump Jr - Biden's ATF Pistol Brace Crackdown: What You Need to Know | TRIGGERED Ep. 35

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00:00:33.000 you Thanks for tuning in. Tonight, we're going to do something a little bit different.

00:00:39.000 Tonight, we're going to have a tutorial.

00:00:41.000 Everything you need to know about the ATF pistol brace ban, some of the insanity that's going on around that, whether you choose to comply with the laws or not, and the pros and cons of that.

00:00:53.000 We're going to be talking with Congressman Andrew Clyde of Georgia, a gun expert, a Class 3 owner himself, someone in the business.

00:01:01.000 We're going to talk to my buddy George Armstrong, an ATF pistol brace band expert, someone who does this, another manufacturer of Class 3 weapons, full auto stuff, suppressors, someone who lives this world, has to comply, has to understand.

00:01:17.000 We're literally going to go through the Form 1 that you got a weak gun to fill out before you can literally be in violation of federal law.

00:01:25.000 Now, again, I'm not advocating for going along with this.

00:01:29.000 I don't like the idea of that.

00:01:31.000 I also understand that I am not Hunter Biden, okay?

00:01:35.000 I will not get a pass on these things.

00:01:38.000 So we'll also have my friend from Field Ethos, the outdoor publication that I publish and help create because I thought they were going too woke in even the hunting and outdoor space.

00:01:50.000 Jason Vincent, former law enforcement, my partner in that deal, he'll probably take on the more cynical side of the issue, but the idea is to learn.

00:02:00.000 So this is going to be informative.

00:02:02.000 We're going to show and tell you everything you need to know ahead of the May 31st deadline, guys.

00:02:07.000 So you have about a week, okay?

00:02:09.000 If you get your stuff postmarked before that deadline, you can do it.

00:02:13.000 But even me, someone who's filmed out the Form 4...

00:02:17.000 More times than I can remember.

00:02:19.000 We're going to take you through the Form 1 because there's little details.

00:02:23.000 There's things that the ATF will ding you.

00:02:25.000 Again, if you choose to do that.

00:02:28.000 And for some, I get it.

00:02:31.000 Maybe you don't want to do it.

00:02:32.000 I understand that.

00:02:33.000 I understand all the logic of it.

00:02:34.000 I also understand that I've been on social media about a billion times shooting these things.

00:02:38.000 They know I have it, and I would think...

00:02:41.000 Given everything else we've seen, given every witch hunt, given all the nonsense they've thrown at me and my family, I have a feeling on June 1 they'd be knocking on my door.

00:02:49.000 So for me, that's the choice I'll probably make.

00:02:53.000 And I also have plenty of other stuff that they don't know about yet.

00:02:55.000 And whatever list I'd be on because of this, I promise you, I've been on that list.

00:03:00.000 And I've been on all the lists.

00:03:02.000 And I am on all the lists.

00:03:03.000 And I imagine they keep growing.

00:03:04.000 So make sure you like, subscribe, and share this episode.

00:03:08.000 Because I think you're going to learn a lot.

00:03:09.000 For your friends who are on the fence, maybe they can figure out which way they want to go on this one.

00:03:15.000 If they're not sure how they're filling it out.

00:03:17.000 You know, this is your chance, as much as I don't like the idea of it, your chance to get in with the SBR stuff without having to pay the $200 per weapon fee.

00:03:27.000 So we're going to take you all of this.

00:03:30.000 Now, to me, this unconstitutional rule will turn millions of law-abiding gun owners into felons for merely possessing guns with stabilizing braces, okay?

00:03:43.000 If you don't comply with the ATF. Now, bear in mind, the ATF made the rules.

00:03:49.000 For these weapons. They designed them and now they're changing the rules that they made, putting millions of people into jeopardy.

00:03:58.000 Gun owners who have stabilizing brace attachments on their firearms must register the device by May 31st.

00:04:05.000 Or... Face up to 10 years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines, okay?

00:04:11.000 Now, I get it. Many of you can go under the radar.

00:04:15.000 Many of you aren't out there, you know, vocally 2A. Many of you aren't on hundreds of very public pages shooting these weapons like I am.

00:04:23.000 So I get why you may not want to do it.

00:04:25.000 I also get that, I promise you...

00:04:28.000 I would have to serve out every last second of that ten years and every last dollar of the tens of thousands of dollars in fines on moment number one.

00:04:38.000 If you've been watching for the last six years, you understand that.

00:04:41.000 So please...

00:04:43.000 Don't hate on me for it, and I know I'll get plenty because there's the purists who I actually agree with who say we shouldn't be doing these things, we shouldn't do it, but I understand also why certain people would want to comply with the law, where the downside is not worth that risk, where people already know that you're shooting, where the reasons go on and on.

00:05:06.000 Remember, folks, if you will, Hunter Biden broke gun laws, and nothing happened to him.

00:05:13.000 Hopefully, Congress will do something about that.

00:05:15.000 Again, that's why we're going to talk to Rep.

00:05:17.000 Andrew Clyde about exactly what they're doing.

00:05:19.000 But Hunter lied on a gun background check by claiming he isn't a drug addict.

00:05:24.000 That carries a punishment of up to 10 years in prison as well.

00:05:27.000 But nothing will happen to him because he is above the law.

00:05:31.000 He doesn't own a stabilizing brace, and if he did, that would probably be fine.

00:05:36.000 But I think any conservative, any vocal Second Amendment supporter, anyone out there...

00:05:42.000 Who's, let's call it, on the conservative side of things, may not get the same treatment because there isn't equal justice under our laws.

00:05:51.000 What will this rule accomplish other than punish Americans that don't like the Biden administration?

00:05:56.000 Not much. Democrats aren't concerned about crime.

00:06:00.000 They're concerned about finding ways to gut the Second Amendment. 0.93

00:06:04.000 They want you to be weak.

00:06:06.000 They want you to not be able to defend yourself.

00:06:08.000 Just look at what they're trying to do around the country.

00:06:12.000 Okay? Whether it's Daniel Perry and the prosecution of a good Samaritan, because they want to make sure that no one else jumps in when you, a loved one, is perhaps a victim.

00:06:23.000 But for example, Philadelphia.

00:06:26.000 The Soros-funded district attorney there, Larry Krasner, refused to enforce gun possession laws against gang members.

00:06:34.000 Think about this, okay?

00:06:36.000 It's a shock to everyone, obviously, that the places with the strictest gun control laws also have the most amount of shootings, whether it's Philadelphia, whether it's Chicago, whether it's L.A., or all these other examples.

00:06:49.000 Look at this headline, For Reason Magazine, quoting...

00:06:56.000 Philadelphia's district attorney sees little value and much injustice in possession arrests.

00:07:03.000 Really? Seems they'd be all about that if it was on the other side of the political spectrum.

00:07:11.000 Democrats would rather politicize the issue and coddle criminals continually, again and again and again, than take the actual steps to make our city safer and give people the ability to defend themselves.

00:07:26.000 The point of this pistol-stabilizing brace ban is to punish the people with them. 0.82

00:07:31.000 They are largely America-loving patriots, not criminals.

00:07:36.000 Unfortunately for them, though, crime is the priority under Joe Biden.

00:07:42.000 Just not the crime that we'd normally care about.

00:07:44.000 If you were breaking the law, that's the crime they care about.

00:07:47.000 Even if you're a law-abiding citizen, even if you go about it right, even if you're just looking to defend yourselves and your freedom and your family...

00:07:55.000 That's a problem. Actual criminals?

00:07:57.000 Rape, murder, arson, looting like we saw during the Summer of Love 2020 riots?

00:08:03.000 That's different. And it's also a major overreach of rulemaking authority.

00:08:08.000 But Biden's ATF doesn't care.

00:08:11.000 They want to do anything and everything they can to try and undermine the important Second Amendment rights we all love.

00:08:21.000 And we're here to do a deep dive into everything you need to know.

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00:08:48.000 And we have Congressman Andrew Clyde from Georgia here in just moments to lay out how he's working to stop it.

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00:10:59.000 And with that, guys, we're going to go to my friend, Congressman Andrew Clyde out of Georgia to talk a little bit about what's going on right here.

00:11:06.000 Congressman, thank you so much for joining us.

00:11:09.000 Well, Don, thank you so very much for inviting me on.

00:11:13.000 And I love the name of your program, Triggered, because that's exactly what we're doing with the Democrats with my little pin here that I wear in my tie all the time, the little AR-15.

00:11:23.000 We trigger them all the time with it.

00:11:25.000 And it's great to be with you today.

00:11:28.000 Thank you. Good to have you.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, that one really bothers them.

00:11:30.000 I know we had Anna Paulina Luna on here a couple of weeks ago, and she had the same thing, and they're going after her.

00:11:35.000 This is a woman Air Force veteran supporting the Second Amendment. 1.00

00:11:39.000 And, you know, I think that's what it's all about.

00:11:41.000 I mean, it's not about that.

00:11:42.000 It's about attacking our rights.

00:11:45.000 So, you know, talk about this, because so many Republicans and Second Amendment advocates and believers You know, what can we do about this?

00:11:55.000 What's going on in Congress?

00:11:56.000 Who are the people that are helping lead that charge to stop this overreach?

00:12:02.000 I mean, to me, this is a huge threat to the Second Amendment.

00:12:06.000 I know, you know, you have, you know, a detailed knowledge of this.

00:12:09.000 You have a full auto collection.

00:12:10.000 You dealer as well.

00:12:12.000 I'll get into the details of that with my next guest, my buddy George from Battle Tested Equipment.

00:12:18.000 Talk a little bit about what's going on, because I feel like so often the Republicans say, well, we have a couple guys fighting, but no one's really taking it seriously.

00:12:26.000 They're going to walk all over and trample our rights. 0.76

00:12:28.000 What's going on, and how do we push back on this?

00:12:32.000 Well, thank you. Well, I'll tell you, it's a very, very serious thing.

00:12:36.000 You've got the Second Amendment of the Constitution has a supremacy clause, shall not be infringed.

00:12:41.000 And so we in Congress are responsible, our government is responsible for upholding the individual rights in the Bill of Rights in our Constitution for everyday citizens.

00:12:52.000 And the Second Amendment just happens to be one of my favorite ones.

00:12:57.000 Actually, after the First Amendment, it is the most important amendment, because the Second Amendment is the teeth behind the first.

00:13:04.000 If we didn't have the second, we wouldn't have the first for very long.

00:13:07.000 So I think it's so very important that we protect and defend the Second Amendment.

00:13:12.000 And that was one of the things I promised my district when I came to Congress, that that would be a priority for me.

00:13:18.000 So we're doing a number of things, three things actually that I can talk to you about.

00:13:23.000 First, we can do it through legislation.

00:13:26.000 The SHORT Act has been introduced already, and that means the SHORT stands for Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today.

00:13:35.000 And what that piece of legislation would do Is it would eliminate short-billed rifles, short-billed shotguns, and AOWs from the National Firearms Act in 1934, because those are the more restricted weapons under the NFA. And if we can eliminate those three categories of weapons and we can make this This issue of pistol braces being reclassified, redefined as a short barrel rifle, we can make it completely go away.

00:14:03.000 And we've got sponsors, many sponsors here in the House.

00:14:06.000 We've got sponsors in the Senate for that bill as well.

00:14:09.000 It has not moved yet, though, unlike the next piece of legislation I want to talk about, and that is a Congressional Review Act.

00:14:19.000 You know, when the ATF wrote their pistol brace rule, they overreached Their authority in the government.

00:14:30.000 I mean, you've got the three branches of government and ATF clearly did not stay within their branch, the executive branch.

00:14:38.000 They wanted to become, I guess, legislators.

00:14:40.000 They want to be members of Congress or something and write laws themselves.

00:14:44.000 And they can't do that.

00:14:45.000 That is a clear violation of the separation of powers in the Constitution.

00:14:50.000 And so, HJ Res 44 is the piece of legislation that can strike down this ATF rule and prevent the ATF from ever drafting another rule or a similar rule like it in the future.

00:15:05.000 So, that's a really important thing.

00:15:07.000 We've got 190 co-sponsors on that bill right now.

00:15:10.000 It takes 218 to pass in the House.

00:15:13.000 I'm speaking with leadership.

00:15:15.000 I've spoken with leadership already this week about bringing it to the floor before the 31st or by the 31st of May so we can send a strong signal, Don, to To the ATF and to the judicial system that Congress does not approve of this rule.

00:15:32.000 And you got to remember, this is a rule that ATF has created.

00:15:36.000 It's not actual law.

00:15:38.000 That's what people don't understand.

00:15:41.000 I mean, this is literally not not only is it a rule that ATF created, but it's something that they designed.

00:15:47.000 And so they came up with something, and like all things, like the people who put together the New York Safe Act, all of a sudden the next day, police officers were literally felons for committing the crime of going to work with their duty pistol because the people writing the laws didn't even understand them themselves.

00:16:06.000 They didn't know the difference between a trigger and a muzzle on a firearm, and yet they want to be the first to act, so we're going to check this box.

00:16:15.000 But, you know, I think people do want to see some action.

00:16:19.000 So, you know, if you have, you know, you don't have 218, so that means there's at least, you know, I guess you said, what, 198?

00:16:25.000 So there's 20 Republicans that have not yet signed on to that legislation.

00:16:30.000 Are there any Democrats that have signed on?

00:16:32.000 Are there any Democrats that, you know, would possibly sign on to this to actually do this?

00:16:36.000 Or is this just totally, you know, partisan at this point?

00:16:40.000 I think that's something that people do need to understand, which is that You know, the reality is that while we have the House, we barely have the House.

00:16:49.000 While we have the House, there's plenty of weak Republicans there. 0.90

00:16:53.000 And so, you know, I don't know that we can actually pass actual legislation.

00:16:57.000 How do we have some teeth behind this so that people see that something's actually getting done?

00:17:04.000 Well, I think we can pass HJRES-44.

00:17:07.000 I'm actually reasonably confident about it, you know, because this is truly not an actual gun bill itself.

00:17:13.000 What HJRES-44 would do would simply strike down the ATF rule.

00:17:17.000 I mean, you know, here, we've got a piece of plastic.

00:17:19.000 You know, this is a brace.

00:17:21.000 And this was designed for disabled veterans.

00:17:25.000 That was the whole point of this thing.

00:17:27.000 So H.J. Res 44 is truly, it's a government overreach piece of legislation, and it's a piece of legislation that protects and cares for our disabled veterans.

00:17:40.000 You know, we have a duty in the government to To take care of those who have sacrificed for our nation, especially those that have gotten the Purple Heart, that have lost a limb or something like that.

00:17:55.000 I mean, it's egregious that we don't put those people at the very top of our priorities.

00:18:02.000 And the ATF is definitely not doing that.

00:18:05.000 And so this particular bill is much more a veterans, a disabled veterans bill and a government overreach bill than it is a gun bill.

00:18:12.000 So I think we have a great opportunity and a great Potential to pass this bill either late this week or early next week before the 31st, before the ATF rule actually goes into effect.

00:18:27.000 Right now, it still has to pass the Senate, and we have great co-sponsors over there, Senator Marshall and Senator Kennedy, and they have a significant amount of support.

00:18:36.000 Don't know exactly where it would go in the Senate, and I really don't know that President Biden would actually sign it.

00:18:42.000 So it's a potential to do, but there's really a third area that Congress can work on.

00:18:52.000 And this is, I think, the most powerful and the most important.

00:18:55.000 And that's through the appropriations process.

00:18:58.000 And I'm very thankful that I am on the appropriations subcommittee that actually deals and has a vote on the budget of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

00:19:08.000 Imagine that. Imagine a federal firearms licensee who has a say in what the DOJ and the FBI and the ATF's budget actually will be for 2024.

00:19:19.000 And so we are going to do what is called, and I've already submitted it to our subcommittee, a limitation amendment which will basically say that no money may be spent on either On implementing or enforcing this ATF rule.

00:19:37.000 Now, it won't go into effect until FY24 begins, which would be October 1st, all right?

00:19:44.000 So any prosecution of people, I think we can eliminate after October the 1st.

00:19:51.000 But we will send a strong message to the court system, and there's a number of court cases out there already, that Congress does not approve of this ATF rule.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, that's the problem.

00:20:02.000 You know, again, not controlling the Senate, not having, you know, enough of a majority to overrule a veto by Joe Biden.

00:20:10.000 Like, that's the reality, unfortunately.

00:20:12.000 This thing's going into effect.

00:20:14.000 You know, are you aware of any of the gun groups out there doing anything to, you know, challenge this legally or, you know, take it to the Supreme Court?

00:20:22.000 You sort of, you know, you hear a lot of noise, but who are the people actually doing anything from that perspective outside of Congress?

00:20:30.000 Oh, there are a number of them out there that are doing that.

00:20:32.000 I know gun owners of America are doing it.

00:20:34.000 I know that you've got National Association of Gun Rights is in that space as well.

00:20:43.000 I think there's also a few state organizations that are in that space.

00:20:47.000 I believe, from what I remember, there's about eight lawsuits right now that are Are moving forward on it.

00:20:57.000 So this thing I don't think will stand.

00:21:01.000 Not one little bit.

00:21:04.000 Although, like you said earlier, this rule is still treated as if it was a law.

00:21:11.000 And so people do have to take it very, very seriously.

00:21:14.000 And I'm really glad that what you're going to be doing in the next part of the program Is going through the actual Form 1 paperwork that's going to be required for folks if they want to register their pistol-braced firearm as a short-barreled rifle.

00:21:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, again, for me, I know that there's gonna be people giving me all sorts of hell for even, you know, talking about the possibility of doing it.

00:21:40.000 I also know, based on, I don't know, seven years of experience and millions and millions and millions of dollars in legal fees, that again, I won't be treated like Hunter Biden.

00:21:50.000 It'll be different.

00:21:51.000 If I put a comma in the wrong spot, if there's a little smudge somewhere on the form, even

00:21:56.000 if everything else looks right, I'm probably going to jail for the 10 years, times umpteen

00:22:03.000 number of things.

00:22:04.000 So, I mean, I guess, you know, talk about that, you know, because while we're fighting

00:22:08.000 it, we may still have to deal with this for the time being.

00:22:12.000 They're not going to do it.

00:22:13.000 Weak people in courts are going to allow something to happen. 1.00

00:22:16.000 The injunction efforts hopefully prevail, because I want to make clear, I'm not a fan

00:22:20.000 of any of these things, but I also understand the consequences to people on our side.

00:22:25.000 I understand that we don't have equal justice under the law.

00:22:28.000 Talk about just how severe these consequences are to everyday gun owners.

00:22:33.000 I know from your perspective as a Class 3 owner, as a dealer yourself, you know that if you get one of these things wrong, You know, these are not minor consequences.

00:22:44.000 This isn't a slap on the wrist.

00:22:45.000 We're not getting the Hunter Biden treatment where he can fill out, you know, lying on a form and then throw a handgun in a garbage can outside of a high school.

00:22:52.000 It's a little different for us.

00:22:54.000 Oh, it's very, very different for us.

00:22:56.000 I mean, we're conservative. My name's on that list, too, Don.

00:23:00.000 I'm on every list at this point.

00:23:04.000 I'm on every list.

00:23:07.000 But it's serious consequences.

00:23:10.000 You've got 10 years and a $250,000 fine.

00:23:12.000 That's what the fine is.

00:23:14.000 So people do have to take this rule very seriously.

00:23:19.000 Whether you want to have a short-barreled rifle or not, whether you want to remove the pistol brace, In fact, when Director Dettelbach was in front of the Judiciary Committee here in Congress and Congressman Massey was questioning him about, you know, what were the consequences and what could people do?

00:23:38.000 You know, Dettelbach said that, well, you just take the brace.

00:23:42.000 If you don't want to register, you don't want to register.

00:23:43.000 You don't want to destroy it. You don't want to turn it in.

00:23:45.000 You know, just take the brace off of it.

00:23:47.000 And then Congressman Massey asked, well, what about, you know, constructive prosecution?

00:23:51.000 If you have the brace and you have the pistol and the two of them not together, but, you know, in the same household, can you be prosecuted for that?

00:24:00.000 And Dettelbach said, no, but yeah, I think ATF came out just a day or two ago and said, hey, you actually have to Destroy the brace, all right, for it not to be, you know, a constructive prosecution.

00:24:14.000 And, of course, there would be those that ATF would completely overlook because there is a two-tiered system of justice.

00:24:21.000 But you and I, absolutely not.

00:24:23.000 They wouldn't do that whatsoever.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, and for those of you guys watching, for those watching, I'm going to go through right after the congressman has to go to some votes in a few minutes.

00:24:33.000 We're going to go through literally every machination of this, how to do it, how to turn it back into a pistol if you want it to be that, how to go full SPR if that's the way you want to do it.

00:24:43.000 You have this window, you can do it for free, but it's got to be done by May 31st.

00:24:47.000 If you don't do that, it's over as far as they're concerned.

00:24:51.000 That doesn't mean it doesn't get hopefully overturned later on.

00:24:54.000 In time, whatever that may be.

00:24:56.000 But we don't know and we understand that we're not dealing with a legal system that's actually in our favor or, you know, even has an understanding of what the word shall not be infringed actually means.

00:25:07.000 So, you know, Congressman, before you have to go to your votes, what else can you tell us about Joe Biden's ATF? How big a threat are they to our gun rights?

00:25:18.000 Well, I can tell you that their budget, they want to increase their budget by literally $200 million from $1.5 billion to $1.7 and a half.

00:25:27.000 Well, almost $300 million.

00:25:29.000 And you're not going to do that because you don't want to increase prosecution.

00:25:34.000 No, the ATF under President Biden, in my opinion, is the most dangerous ATF we have ever seen.

00:25:41.000 And that has to be stopped.

00:25:43.000 The way we stop it is we take away their money.

00:25:46.000 Money in Washington, D.C. is power, and the way we reduce their power is we reduce their budget.

00:25:52.000 And as you have seen with the FBI here lately that has simply overreached their authority, whether it's the Durham report that exonerated your dad, Or whether it was, you know, the overreach in the prosecutions of Mark Houck, etc. You know, it's on the Justice Department, the ATF, the FBI are simply on steroids here, creating this two-step.

00:26:21.000 Tiered system of justice.

00:26:22.000 And the way we deal with them is we cut their budgets.

00:26:25.000 And we're going to do that in the CJS appropriation, the subcommittee that I'm on, because that's really what has to happen here, Don.

00:26:33.000 We have to hold them accountable.

00:26:35.000 And the way we do it is we cut their funding.

00:26:37.000 The only thing they understand is money.

00:26:39.000 Okay, so, you know, you're on appropriations.

00:26:42.000 I know you're 100% on board with that.

00:26:44.000 Are there Republicans on there that are gonna go weak because they get a little pressure from the Democrats to allow this to go through?

00:26:51.000 Are there Democrats that we can actually win over because they're in, perhaps, a red state or a state that actually believes in the Second Amendment, generally speaking, you know, or across the board?

00:27:01.000 You know, how do we make sure we apply as much pressure as we possibly can To make sure that people understand what we're fighting for here.

00:27:11.000 Well, we might get a Democrat or two.

00:27:13.000 It won't be more than that. But I'm pretty confident that we'll get the vast majority of the Republicans, that we will get enough Republicans, especially on this one.

00:27:21.000 You know, with what we've seen from the FBI and the Department of Justice and ATF as part of the Department of Justice, from what we have seen, their tremendous overreach is so egregious.

00:27:31.000 That the only solution is going to be cutting their budget, and that has to happen.

00:27:36.000 I've spoken to many, many folks on the Appropes Committee, and they're of the same mindset that I am.

00:27:41.000 They might not be quite as passionate about it as I am, but I think they're going to be in the boat with me, and we're going to get this done.

00:27:49.000 We're going to get this done for the American people.

00:27:51.000 Well, Congressman, thank you.

00:27:52.000 And just let us know, or let me know, who isn't playing along with some of this stuff, because I want to make sure that everyone is aware of that when they're out there and they're fundraising, because this is a huge one.

00:28:07.000 And again, because The law was designed by the same people who are now trying to make you a felon for following the rules that they created. 1.00

00:28:15.000 And if we don't see the hypocrisy in that, if we don't see the danger in that, if, honestly, if people are still dumb enough to believe that agencies like the ATF or the FBI, after everything we've literally found out, even in the last week, if you're still dumb enough to believe that they are going to do things, you know, in a nice partisan fashion, like, you haven't been watching You probably deserve to lose your rights because you're an idiot. 1.00

00:28:42.000 And, you know, that's a scary, scary thing. 1.00

00:28:45.000 So I understand that you have some votes.

00:28:46.000 Thank you for joining us here today.

00:28:48.000 Please keep us in the loop because this is a big one.

00:28:52.000 Thank you very much, Don.

00:28:54.000 Appreciate being on and I will keep you in the loop.

00:28:56.000 Thanks, man. Talk to you in a little bit.

00:28:57.000 Be well. Thank you.

00:29:00.000 Okay, guys, I'm going to reposition a little bit.

00:29:04.000 I have my friend, George Armstrong, great manufacturer.

00:29:10.000 He actually built all the guns on the table right now.

00:29:13.000 This is actually my truck gun, my backpack gun for everything.

00:29:17.000 That's a folding AR pistol carbine.

00:29:21.000 We'll talk about the differences and the nuances of the folding stocks and what we can do with that.

00:29:27.000 Then you have the more traditional, just, you know...

00:29:30.000 Pistol brace, fixed stock, non-folder.

00:29:34.000 The reason why we're bringing both of them out, when you're filling out the forms, these are two different weapons in the Lozai's. 1.00

00:29:39.000 We actually have to measure them differently.

00:29:41.000 We're going to go over all that with you guys.

00:29:42.000 Yeah. So, well, we have the form one.

00:29:46.000 This is the form you need to fill in from the ATF. We actually went through this, and honestly, the precipice for this show and why we're doing them, and this is a little different than what I'm normally doing, and it's almost, at this point, this one's going to be part of a tutorial.

00:30:01.000 For those of us, Jason Vincent, my partner in Field Ethos, if those of you who follow me on social will probably see me posting about it.

00:30:07.000 It's my sort of outdoor magazine, and he's former law enforcement in a talk about the pros and cons.

00:30:13.000 And again, we totally understand why people wouldn't do it.

00:30:15.000 Save your hate. For me even talking about it, the reality is I know I'd be going to jail for 10 years, and it's a little different.

00:30:23.000 So you can choose for yourself, but for me, I mean, I filled out the form for literally,

00:30:31.000 I can only probably hundreds of times.

00:30:34.000 The Form 1, which is what this would be, allows you to, you know, I guess...

00:30:39.000 What a Form 1 is basically, 5320.1 is a technical term.

00:30:42.000 It's called a Form 1. That's the application to manufacture a firearm.

00:30:47.000 What manufacture means is you buy it as a pistol, which in this case, as a manufacturer, we were allowed to build guns with barrels shorter than 16 inches and attach these arm braces to them.

00:30:59.000 That essentially kept this thing as a pistol.

00:31:02.000 Now, the Form 1 allows you to take that pistol and register it as a short barrel rifle.

00:31:08.000 We're going to use the term SBR, which is short barrel rifle.

00:31:10.000 And it allows you to do that, and that's basically when we talk about being in compliance, that's what you're going to do with a Form 1.

00:31:17.000 And we'll walk you through those steps today and kind of show you, you know, if you want to keep it as a pistol, what you have to do to remain compliant.

00:31:23.000 If you want to go the SBR route, We'll show you the benefits of that, what you have to do to that.

00:31:29.000 We can show you how to fill out the Form 1.

00:31:32.000 With guys like you and I, I mean, as much as we'd love to take the stand and say, you know what, this is where we're going to draw the line in the sand, I'm in the business, machine gun collector, manufacturer, you're a high profile guy, big, you know, big gun guy, hunter, shooter.

00:31:43.000 We obviously have to err on the side of caution and follow the law.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm on an SOT. I have suppressors.

00:31:50.000 I'm already on whatever ATF radar.

00:31:53.000 Plus, I'm probably on thousands of social media posts shooting stuff like this.

00:31:58.000 So, yeah, it's not a stretch to say, if they're using the FBI's HRT, the hostage rescue team, to do a search warrant on Mar-a-Lago, I'm probably getting a visit.

00:32:08.000 And so, for me, that's a personal choice.

00:32:10.000 It doesn't mean I'm happy about it.

00:32:12.000 It does not mean that I'm thrilled.

00:32:14.000 It does not mean I agree with it.

00:32:16.000 It just means, you know, hey, I'm not going to jail for this knowing that I'm the first person that they'd love to make an example of if they can.

00:32:23.000 You know, you've had conversations with people at the ATF. Absolutely.

00:32:27.000 Hate me for even talking about these things, for even shooting with you and taking my kids out, shooting full auto with you out in Arizona. 0.99

00:32:35.000 Definitely puts a target on you. 0.97

00:32:37.000 Where it's like, Don Jr.

00:32:39.000 is the real threat. Literally just shooting.

00:32:41.000 Like, I'm the threat. A fully automatic.50 cal from an armored Humvee when it was a semi-automatic Barrett with a silencer.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, they don't get it, but we're on the radar for certain.

00:32:51.000 So let's maybe start with the guns, right?

00:32:52.000 You have sort of, again, you have the traditional, you know, this is just the pistol-braced AR-15.

00:32:59.000 So this is a 9mm carbine.

00:33:00.000 It's a little bit different than the standard.223, you know,.556, depending on which way you want to look at it.

00:33:05.000 But this is, you know, a go-to for me.

00:33:08.000 This is sort of my under-the-bed, and this is my truck gun, because it's even a little bit smaller and can fit in a backpack.

00:33:12.000 Absolutely, same as me. So talk about the differences in even then because, again, as many times as I filled out the Form 4, going through the Form 1, I'm like, oh, that's weird.

00:33:20.000 There's so many little things I could have made a mistake.

00:33:23.000 There's so many things that aren't quite that clear.

00:33:24.000 The duplicate copies, everything.

00:33:26.000 If you read the Form 1 cover to cover, it's 13 pages, and it might as well be written in Greek because I literally remember the first one I ever filled out.

00:33:34.000 We're talking 20-something years ago, and they've changed since then.

00:33:37.000 As a manufacturer we have to remain fluid even since the introduction of the pistol brace ruling.

00:33:44.000 We've had to remain fluid because in the beginning they told us we had X amount of days to liquidate all of our inventory that had pistol braces on it.

00:33:50.000 The very next day we got an email that says you can no longer sell that configuration so we were literally stuck with all these Inventory that we had to get compliant.

00:33:56.000 We couldn't move it. So we had to remain fluid.

00:33:59.000 But when you read these forms, like I said, they might as well be written in Greek.

00:34:02.000 So what we want to do today is walk you through and kind of show you, interpret some of that stuff.

00:34:06.000 And it comes down to little things.

00:34:07.000 Like, for instance, it asks you on here the length of the barrel.

00:34:11.000 Most people would look at this and throw a tape measure on this guy here and say, oh, it's about six inches.

00:34:15.000 The problem with that is it has to be a little more specific than that.

00:34:18.000 So we'll walk you through that part of it right now.

00:34:20.000 Obviously, the weapon's been cleared.

00:34:21.000 In order to measure the barrel length, we have to actually Essentially put the gun into battery, which we never do because we're safe gun people.

00:34:27.000 And by the way, just, hey guys, all of these have been opened, cleaned.

00:34:30.000 This one, because it's a folder, you actually can't open the chamber, you know, when it's in the folded position, so it's been cleared and all that stuff, because I know there's going to be someone in there, oh my god, muzzled is a triple! 1.00

00:34:43.000 You can save your bitching for later. 1.00

00:34:47.000 We don't need it here. We understand. 0.75

00:34:48.000 We all know the rules. So the first step we're going to do is show you how to actually measure the overall barrel.

00:34:52.000 Now, We're going to put the gun into battery.

00:34:54.000 Because that is one of the questions on the form.

00:34:55.000 It is. That is actually one of the major questions that you have to have.

00:34:58.000 They want to know because if it's over 16 inches, we're not even doing the form.

00:35:00.000 Correct. So what I do...

00:35:01.000 Yeah, this is for under 16 inches, pistol braced.

00:35:05.000 The law states that it's measured from the breech face, which is the bolt face, to the end of the muzzle threads, if this can be removed.

00:35:11.000 So if we spun this off, there would be threads that would stop right here.

00:35:14.000 Yeah. So what I do is I take a wooden dowel, Drop it in there, and then I take my pen, and I'll actually mark it where it ends, which is going to be right here, and then I will pull that out and measure from this point to this point, and that is literally the value that's going to go in on the barrel length section of the Form 1.

00:35:34.000 Now, if the muzzle brake for some of those who live maybe in the People's Republic of New York where you can't, I guess prior to the SAFE Bullshit Act, If the muzzle brake is pinned, that's different, because that then adds that extra length to the barrel.

00:35:50.000 Because I had a couple of guns like that where, I know you make a tanker, and I know I have one.

00:35:54.000 I was like, hey George, it's less than 16 to the brake, but if you include the brake, it's probably 17, 17 and a half inches.

00:36:01.000 But because it's pinned, it's actually okay, and it doesn't apply to this.

00:36:06.000 Absolutely. So anytime you...

00:36:07.000 Nobody knows about one more gun of mine.

00:36:09.000 When you permanently attach something to the end of the barrel by the proper pin and weld, I don't mean rock set it, JB weld it, whatever.

00:36:15.000 It has to be a pill, a pin, a drill.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, it's drilled, it's pinned, it's soldered over.

00:36:20.000 It's welded. I leave my welds obvious.

00:36:21.000 You'll notice it on the bottom of the tanker so they know that it's pinned and welded.

00:36:23.000 Once you do that, that becomes part of the overall length of the barrel.

00:36:26.000 So we would be measuring from the breech face to that point.

00:36:29.000 Now on a gun that has a 14.5 inch barrel, you can pin and weld a flash hider on it, have it professionally done, and then you don't have to file a Form 1.

00:36:35.000 What I've been doing a lot as well...

00:36:37.000 And by the way, for those of you who don't want to fill in anything, if you have something like that that's pushing those boundaries, you can do that, and then all of a sudden you're in compliance.

00:36:45.000 Now, theoretically, you're breaking the law from May 31st to when you actually get that done.

00:36:50.000 I imagine no one's coming to look for you, so it's a way to get legal, even if you're perhaps...

00:36:55.000 Semi-legal or illegal for, you know, the amount of time that it takes you to do that.

00:37:00.000 But it saves you having to even think about this if that's something you're willing to do.

00:37:04.000 And it's a pretty simple procedure.

00:37:05.000 Any competent gunsmith can do it in about, you know, five minutes.

00:37:09.000 Absolutely. And another option as well, say you have an 8-inch barrel 9mm and you have an extra 9mm silencer laying around, you pin and weld that to the barrel, that becomes part of the barrel.

00:37:18.000 You obviously already have your tack stamp on the suppressor and then you don't have to worry about SBR and it becomes a one-stamp gun.

00:37:23.000 So you don't have to fill out the form on it.

00:37:25.000 So that's something to think about as well.

00:37:27.000 Now I'm going to put this gun, I'm going to lock the bolt back because what I want to go over next is I want to actually go over the overall length.

00:37:32.000 And that's going to be another question. That's the next question on the form is the overall length of the weapon.

00:37:36.000 And that, there's so many different, if you go down the Google rabbit hole, there are so many different answers you can get for this.

00:37:43.000 But the proper way as defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 is you remove the buttstock, And you'll literally measure from the end of the barrel, which we now know is the muzzle and the threads, to the end of the buffer tube.

00:38:00.000 The exception to that is if you have a folder, like your Mark V folder over there, you'll actually measure that overall length.

00:38:06.000 So that's a little different. You'll measure that from in the folded position, from the rear of the receiver to the threads on that guy.

00:38:14.000 So that's the difference between the two, and that's why we have these two different specimens out here, so we can show you how to properly measure either way.

00:38:21.000 It's one of those things where I don't know if the ATF would even know that that gun's a folder.

00:38:25.000 I don't know if they would know that you got it wrong, but it's one of those things when they come knocking or they see you at the range or they see this, you want to have all of this perfect because it's one of those things that you don't want to be caught with your pants down.

00:38:35.000 Okay, so the way to do nothing about this.

00:38:37.000 If I wanted to do nothing about it and just be compliant as an AR pistol, what is it that I need to do?

00:38:44.000 Hand me that buffer tube over there.

00:38:45.000 I'll hold the weapon here. The buffer tube, obviously, is the rear part of the weapon that holds the buffer mechanism.

00:38:50.000 This is a pistol-only buffer tube.

00:38:52.000 The definition of that is it's a round tube and you cannot Attach any type of stock or device to it, okay?

00:39:00.000 So you would have to install that.

00:39:01.000 Simply by doing that, this gun is now a pistol.

00:39:04.000 However, as a pistol, you have to refrain from doing certain things.

00:39:09.000 One of the things you cannot do as a pistol is use a vertical grip.

00:39:12.000 You cannot put a vertical grip on it as to where if you did a Form 1 and SBR'd it, you can do a vertical grip.

00:39:16.000 So if you Form 1 it, you can put the vertical grip on it.

00:39:19.000 You're basically Theoretically, as much as we don't like it, but this is sort of a one-time, and again, before May 31st, it's free.

00:39:27.000 You can waive the tax stamp, the $200 thing.

00:39:31.000 So if you go the SBR route, you can have that vertical pistol grip.

00:39:35.000 You basically can do anything. No, just to make sure everybody's...

00:39:37.000 Once you receive the approved form back, you can go that route.

00:39:41.000 And you can also put a buttstock on it.

00:39:42.000 So you can go buttstock, vertical grip.

00:39:44.000 You essentially lift the restrictions or limitations on that weapon as far as barrel length are concerned.

00:39:48.000 Of modification. The irony of the whole thing is, now if we look back at the NFA Act of 1934, that was drawn up for pistols, to ban pistols, okay?

00:39:58.000 The SBRs and SPSs, SPS is a term for short barrel shotgun, the SBR, short barrel rifle, those were added to that for the sole purpose of preventing the circumvention of the pistol part of that ban.

00:40:09.000 Now here's the irony. The pistol was removed from that ban before it was actually published.

00:40:14.000 So the pistols weren't regulated under that act.

00:40:16.000 They actually slipped the SBR and the SBS on it, so you couldn't circumvent the pistol act of it, and then they removed the pistol from the actual law.

00:40:23.000 So if you read up on the 1934 NFA Act, it's going to blow your mind.

00:40:27.000 It's actually pretty interesting.

00:40:28.000 Interesting. So let's go through the form for those of us, because again, this is something that was sort of interesting.

00:40:34.000 You can go through the form, but there's a couple things you need.

00:40:36.000 What I noticed, because you're not just sending And it's two copies of this to the ATF, okay?

00:40:43.000 So whatever package you're putting, and we'll talk about how to even mail that so you can get it in, but you're gonna fill out two forms of this.

00:40:49.000 So you need two passport photos with that, but then you also need a third copy, okay, that you're gonna send to your local sheriff's office.

00:40:55.000 Yep, your Clio. Cleo, so look up who your sheriff is, you put it, and you're not asking for permission in that process.

00:41:02.000 That was the interesting thing that you said.

00:41:03.000 You're just, here it is.

00:41:05.000 So you actually need three passport photos for each one of these things, and you need one set of fingerprint cards.

00:41:11.000 So, exactly. One pair, actually.

00:41:13.000 Sorry, one pair of fingerprint cards.

00:41:15.000 They only go to the ATF. So you can go, where do you get those?

00:41:20.000 So you can go to UPS Store.

00:41:22.000 There's actually fingerprint outlets all over.

00:41:24.000 There's literally Google fingerprints.

00:41:28.000 It's the same form you use for a federal background track, your CCW permit.

00:41:33.000 So tell them it's just for NFA purposes.

00:41:36.000 But again, you need two of those sheets.

00:41:37.000 You can do it. I did it in about half an hour.

00:41:39.000 If you're one of those gun nuts that has, you know, say like 15 or 20 SBRs you have to register, you only need the pair of fingerprint cards if you send it in the same packet, but each form still has to have the 2x2 photo.

00:41:50.000 Correct, yeah, like I got, let's call it, you know, dozen plus in my package, but yes, it was only two fingerprint ID cards, and those don't need to go to your local law enforcement.

00:41:58.000 No, they do not. Those actually go right to the ATF, yeah.

00:42:01.000 Make a fourth copy for yourselves, guys.

00:42:02.000 You don't need the extra, obviously, passport photos, but make an extra copy because while it's in process of the form itself, both sides, print it on both sides because if you have that form and that copy, that's basically your license that you're in process because I imagine the ATF's going to be flooded with this.

00:42:20.000 I imagine we're not going to be seeing anything in return anytime soon.

00:42:23.000 But do it. I will comment on that.

00:42:26.000 For the e-file option, that's taken quite a while because that's the route everybody's going.

00:42:31.000 Paper filing, I'm seeing back before this ruling, I was seeing 12 to 18 months.

00:42:36.000 I've seen the last probably 10 packets I've sent in in Four to six weeks.

00:42:41.000 Okay. Including mailing, which is, and that's the paper form because everybody's e-filing.

00:42:45.000 When I print these out, I actually print, like you said, four copies.

00:42:48.000 The first two, I fill out, the first three I fill out the same exact way.

00:42:52.000 The two go to the ATF. The fourth one, definitely keeping your records.

00:42:54.000 That's great. If it takes a while, you can call them, give them the serial number, say, hey, what's going on?

00:42:58.000 But at least you have proof, hey, I filled it out.

00:43:00.000 I'm trying to be compliant.

00:43:02.000 That's definitely the route to go.

00:43:04.000 A couple of the things I want to go through on the form itself.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, talk about the form a little bit.

00:43:07.000 I know you have this up on your website as well, right?

00:43:09.000 Yeah, so what I did is I actually put on the BTEUSA Instagram, so it's at BTEUSA, in the bio, there's a link right to the ATF website to the exact form you have to fill out.

00:43:20.000 It's a 5320.1 or Form 1, and you can fill it out.

00:43:23.000 What I do is I download it to my computer as a PDF, and I'll go through and fill out all the information, then I'll go through and change the make model serial number and then print it, you know, my forecast.

00:43:31.000 Especially if you're doing a bunch of these like George and I were, by doing that, saving the PDF, you can leave all of your information basically the same and change, you know, I have a bunch of George's guns, so I literally had to change serial number and...

00:43:47.000 Serial number, because it was basically a lot of duplicative guns, etc.

00:43:53.000 But by saving it there, you don't have to fill out your information each and every time.

00:43:57.000 You sort of fill it out once, save it, and then you can go through and just change the things.

00:44:02.000 You also have to sort of delete out in the PDF. They literally put a cross through your signature area on there.

00:44:07.000 Both front and back. You're going to sign this thing actually in two places.

00:44:10.000 You're going to sign as the applicant, and then name and title of authorized official is going to be you because you're the applicant.

00:44:15.000 You're going to date it for the day you submit it.

00:44:17.000 And on the back, signature of maker, because you're making this from a pistol into an SBR, you sign it there as well.

00:44:23.000 Yeah, so signature maker, I mean, yeah, you've got to remember, you're actually the maker of this now when you're going through this process.

00:44:29.000 And if you don't do that, that's going to be a reason they kick you back.

00:44:32.000 They will definitely kick you back. Who knows if they'll let you in. 1.00

00:44:33.000 So when you have one week, again, there's some nuance.

00:44:38.000 Once we did it, it was pretty simple.

00:44:39.000 But again, for me, having done the Form 4 hundreds of times, You know, to now see it this way, it's like I was even making little errors.

00:44:46.000 There were things that I was going to leave blank because I didn't assume I was the maker, but I am.

00:44:50.000 So, you know, this is why it's so important to pay attention.

00:44:53.000 And again, I got my fingerprint cards in about 45 minutes.

00:44:57.000 I was able to get the passport photos at CVS, but again, three per, you know, it's a lot.

00:45:04.000 So make sure you don't wait until the 31st.

00:45:07.000 You have a week. It's plenty of time to get it done, but you got to do it.

00:45:11.000 And there's a lot of sort of ministerial stuff.

00:45:13.000 It'll take you a little bit. I did actually call a friend at the NFA and I was able to get a straight answer.

00:45:17.000 I sent the question in.

00:45:19.000 I said, does the packet have to be received by you by May 31st or postmarked by May 31st?

00:45:27.000 And the reply I got was correct. 0.58

00:45:30.000 So either is the way I'm interpreting that judgment.

00:45:34.000 Either postmarked or received by May 31st.

00:45:36.000 I think you're going to be okay. They're going to be receiving so many of these.

00:45:38.000 They're not going to know the difference. Get it done.

00:45:40.000 If you're going to do it, I would get it done in the next few days.

00:45:43.000 Another cool thing about this being on a podcast, we're going to cover this form.

00:45:46.000 You guys can, you don't have to worry about taking notes or memorizing this stuff.

00:45:48.000 Go back, rewind, rewatch the podcast.

00:45:51.000 But there are some things on here that you're not going to know the answer to.

00:45:54.000 And I'm going to save you guys hours of Google and putting in the wrong answers.

00:45:56.000 Yeah. Yeah, let's go through it.

00:45:58.000 Let's go through from the very beginning.

00:46:01.000 The very first thing at the top, it says, gives you an address, PO Box 53015 Portland, Oregon.

00:46:07.000 That's where you're going to mail your packet to the ATF. And how do you want to mail it?

00:46:10.000 You said, send it priority so that you have something, but don't send it with a signature because they won't sign it and you'll get kicked back to it.

00:46:16.000 They won't. So priority or...

00:46:19.000 Tracking, as long as you put tracking on it, you're good to go.

00:46:21.000 Well, to be honest with you, when I send mine in, I put six stamps on an envelope and I send it in.

00:46:24.000 My proof is when they cash the check.

00:46:26.000 In this case, you're not going to send a check, so you won't have that proof that they received it.

00:46:29.000 Correct. So if you send it with tracking, no signature required because they will kick it back.

00:46:32.000 Send it with tracking. You can prove they received it.

00:46:34.000 You're in the clear. You have your copy that you fill it out.

00:46:36.000 You're good when they come and knock it out. Yeah, and that's the key.

00:46:38.000 Also, you're not paying the $200.

00:46:41.000 No, and that's another thing here I want to go over.

00:46:44.000 Starting on the forum, and I don't know if you're going to even see that, but if you guys pull them up on the site, it's going to ask you, question number two, it's going to ask you what type of entity is actually asking for permission to do this.

00:46:54.000 And you're going to check, unless you have a corporation or a trust, you're going to check individual, because you are an individual.

00:46:59.000 And you're going to go through literally to the next question, trade name.

00:47:02.000 You're not going to have that as an individual.

00:47:04.000 You're going to go through a county.

00:47:05.000 That's the county you live. Put in your telephone number because if they have a simple question, they will call you.

00:47:10.000 An email address. I've never been emailed because of one of these, but I'd put it in anyway.

00:47:14.000 This box here, it's critical that you use your physical address.

00:47:18.000 You don't want to use a PO box.

00:47:19.000 They will not approve it. You actually want to put the address where the item is going to be.

00:47:23.000 If this gun is going to be at this address here, That's the address you're going to use.

00:47:27.000 You're going to use the address where it's going to be stored at.

00:47:30.000 Now, this is where things change.

00:47:32.000 Because when I send these in, and I mean, if I were a gun nut, I would probably have hundreds of tax stamps.

00:47:37.000 And I would send in a $200 check with them.

00:47:39.000 And you would check the tax paid portion and send the check.

00:47:42.000 Now, when you do this on the e-file, they automatically divert until the 31st to the tax exempt option.

00:47:48.000 So you will check the tax exempt option.

00:47:50.000 So that's box C. That's box C. And you will not send in...

00:47:54.000 A check. Now, here's where it gets interesting.

00:47:56.000 We've had some come back recently where they, normally when you pay the money and you get this back, they literally, they put a lick and stick tax stamp on here with the serial number on it.

00:48:03.000 So you actually feel like you're getting something for your money.

00:48:06.000 I'm getting represented by this tax stamp.

00:48:07.000 We've had some come back where they didn't give us a stamp, but they approved them.

00:48:11.000 And they said, well, you didn't pay the $200, but we approved them.

00:48:13.000 So you got your approved form. Basically, what more do you need?

00:48:15.000 And it's like, hey, if that's what I need to be compliant, listen, I got bigger fish to fry, right?

00:48:19.000 So that's the box you check to be taxed.

00:48:21.000 So see, for the guys going through this process, if it's, you know, Yes.

00:48:25.000 In by the 31st, turning a pistol-braced firearm into an SBR, you can do that.

00:48:31.000 You can do it tax-free until then.

00:48:33.000 Otherwise, you could still go the SBR route in the states that...

00:48:35.000 I live in Florida. I can do this.

00:48:37.000 I can have an SBR and do it.

00:48:39.000 I can pay my $200 and do that.

00:48:41.000 But there's places that you wouldn't be able to do that because they've already banned them regardless of what the federal law is, the state law.

00:48:48.000 I'm going to say it again just for redundancy here.

00:48:50.000 You will not put a buttstock or vertical grip on this until you've received your approved format.

00:48:57.000 Correct. Because at that point you'd be in violation.

00:48:59.000 So if we're going down the list here, name and address of original manufacturer.

00:49:03.000 That's easy for us. It's going to be battle-tested equipment.

00:49:06.000 So what you do here, you don't have to put the full address.

00:49:08.000 You actually put BTE USA Manufacturing, Phoenix, Arizona.

00:49:12.000 That's what you put there.

00:49:14.000 You're going to put type of firearm being made.

00:49:16.000 Don't abbreviate and put SBR. They might slip it through.

00:49:20.000 I've had them kick back. Put short barreled rifle.

00:49:23.000 Remember that. Short barreled rifle.

00:49:25.000 And the next question, caliber.

00:49:26.000 Easy. Nine millimeter. Now, here's the deal.

00:49:28.000 If your receiver says multi and you put multi there, they're going to reject your form.

00:49:32.000 So whatever it's set up and currently set in that caliber, you can change it.

00:49:35.000 There's nothing preventing you from changing it in time, but you've got to actually put a caliber in it.

00:49:39.000 Yes, so essentially if you SBR this gun, do it for 9mm.

00:49:44.000 And if you ever put a different caliber or barrel length on it, just retain the ability to put it back to the register configuration.

00:49:51.000 Over here is where it gets tricky.

00:49:52.000 It's going to ask you the model. This one's going to be the Sub-9 because it takes the Glock magazines.

00:49:56.000 Barrel length, we showed you how to measure that, and you're going to be very accurate with that because you're going to go to Walmart or Hobby Bench or wherever and buy your wooden dowels and you're going to be spot on.

00:50:04.000 Your overall length, we showed you how to measure that on both a folder and non-folder model.

00:50:08.000 Now this also works on like an AK-47 with a pistol brace.

00:50:12.000 It's going to be, if it's a folder, it's in the folder configuration.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, my buddy Jason Vincent is actually going to talk about some of that because the irony of some of this is there are configurations of just full rifles that actually end up still being shorter than some of these.

00:50:26.000 The folders, you know, some of the bullpup stuff, so I'll talk about that guys in a little bit so you can see the nuance and the differences.

00:50:32.000 Then of course you jump right to serial number, that's easy.

00:50:35.000 Just write out the full serial number as it appears on the gun.

00:50:38.000 When you go to this next box, this is one that was really never messed with before and they're starting to crack down on it.

00:50:44.000 You're going to go to, it says additional description.

00:50:46.000 Now what this box is for and What you'll do is you'll actually take your name, and they say name and address, so you'll take your name and the city, state, and zip that you live, and you'll write that in there.

00:50:57.000 Now you're the manufacturer.

00:50:59.000 That's what you're going to laser engrave on your firearm to be compliant.

00:51:03.000 If you fail to put that in here, 50% of the time, they'll kick it back.

00:51:06.000 The other half of the time, they'll kick it back with a stamp that'll say, you must engrave your information on it.

00:51:11.000 So just circumvent that.

00:51:13.000 Name your full name as it appears up here, and your address.

00:51:16.000 I mean, city, state, zip right there, and then get your gun engraved with that.

00:51:20.000 That information on the gun and you're in full compliance.

00:51:22.000 When it comes to the engraving, I know theoretically it's there, but you don't know anyone that's ever done this and no one's ever checked.

00:51:31.000 I would hate to be the guy when they kicked in the door if that's what they're taking you to prison for.

00:51:36.000 That one silly little thing. 0.58

00:51:38.000 So, you know, fill it out right, but, you know. 0.81

00:51:40.000 Use your judgment on it, obviously.

00:51:42.000 You know, we have to play by a different set of rules than those, but use your judgment on that one, but I would definitely recommend it.

00:51:47.000 Another question here, specify why you intend to make the firearm.

00:51:51.000 Now, my response has always been, and it's collection forward slash investment.

00:51:57.000 I'm into this because it's a collection.

00:51:58.000 When I kick the bucket, She was going to buy her Florida house and her yacht and all that stuff with the proceeds of the gun collection. 1.00

00:52:03.000 I've seen your full auto collection.

00:52:04.000 I know what they go for. So yes, she's going to have one hell of a house in exchange for all the MP5s and M60s and M60s. 0.97

00:52:12.000 Whatever's not will to you and Eric, she'll be able to sell the rest, right?

00:52:15.000 So I've seen some silly things.

00:52:17.000 I'm not even going to go into those.

00:52:19.000 So collection or investment is why you can put all lawful purposes, whatever you choose. 0.91

00:52:24.000 Don't be a smartass on that one. 0.90

00:52:25.000 That's not the one you want to be a smartass on. 0.95

00:52:26.000 This next box here, Jay, a lot of people miss this because it says type of destructive device.

00:52:32.000 We're not dealing with a destructive device.

00:52:34.000 That is irrelevant to what we're talking about, so you will literally skip over question J. It's neither a firearm, because a destructive device, I guess, in that case would be a short barrel shotgun.

00:52:43.000 Or a grenade launcher.

00:52:44.000 Or a grenade launcher. Which you have and we've played with.

00:52:48.000 We may or may not have done that.

00:52:51.000 So, but yeah, so J, you can just ignore for the purposes of this.

00:52:55.000 Now K, this is going to ask you, is this firearm being reactivated?

00:52:58.000 Now we're going to check no on that because what that means is a gun that was once full auto or registered and we're re-registering or reactivating.

00:53:05.000 You will never run into that unless you're a manufacturer.

00:53:07.000 So J and K, you can skip. Well, you actually have to check no. 0.91

00:53:09.000 Check no on K. I got you.

00:53:12.000 You're going to skip all the information asking you for your federal firearms license.

00:53:16.000 None of that would be pertinent here.

00:53:17.000 Unless you have one, but yeah, you know. You wouldn't put it in there even if you did, because this is going in your personal.

00:53:21.000 If you put it in your business, then you would do that.

00:53:23.000 But at that point, why would you do it?

00:53:24.000 Because you have a business. We're putting your SOT. So you're going to jump to signature of applicant.

00:53:28.000 You're going to print your name here on 8.

00:53:30.000 You're going to sign here. You're going to put today's date.

00:53:32.000 And in the PDF, by the way, when you pull it up, it actually has it crossed out, so you can't do it.

00:53:36.000 So you've got to just select it and undo it in the PDF form.

00:53:39.000 But to make it pretty easy, again, it's on the BTE USA. Go to their Instagram, check it out.

00:53:44.000 You can literally pull up the form, you'll see it.

00:53:46.000 But you can see why so much of this is repetitive, basically other than, you know, make, manufacture, serial number, barrel length, and overall length.

00:53:55.000 The rest of it's basically the same for you.

00:53:56.000 So if you're doing a dozen of these, like someone I may know intimately, allegedly or more, you know, it's actually, you're literally changing this area here.

00:54:06.000 The rest stays the same.

00:54:08.000 So save the original form on your desktop, use that, and print your copies from there.

00:54:13.000 So you'll skip. Once you sign and date the front page, you're done.

00:54:16.000 This is actually for the ATF. You'll flip it over to the next page.

00:54:19.000 Now this is where it gets kind of tricky.

00:54:21.000 So you're actually going to have to look up.

00:54:22.000 This... Question 10 is your acknowledgement that you're going to notify your CLIO, your local sheriff, your chief law enforcement officer of your county.

00:54:31.000 So you will look up your chief...

00:54:35.000 Yeah, look up literally your local sheriff.

00:54:37.000 Google it. Google it for your zip code and area.

00:54:40.000 That's it. And you're going to send him the third copy.

00:54:42.000 So each one of these you're printing basically four front and back.

00:54:46.000 Print four front and back times four.

00:54:48.000 Two With two pictures, you know, is going to the ATF. If you put them all in one package together, it's just the two sets of fingerprint cards.

00:54:57.000 If you're doing individual packets, then you're going to have to get a lot more fingerprint cards.

00:55:00.000 So just do it all at once. Do it all at once.

00:55:02.000 And then you're sending one copy of this to your local sheriff's department just with the photo.

00:55:06.000 That's why you need three photos.

00:55:08.000 And the fourth copy is literally for your own records.

00:55:11.000 That's your receipt. So you'll put the agency or name, so in your case it'll be, let's just say you lived in Palm Beach County, let's just say PBSO, Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, and then the actual name of your sheriff and then their address.

00:55:25.000 That's all you do there. And then you're going to jump in.

00:55:27.000 This is going to simulate a.4473 like you're buying a gun.

00:55:29.000 It's going to ask you questions like, are you a felon?

00:55:33.000 Are you illegal in this country? Have you renounced your citizenship?

00:55:35.000 Do you kick your dog? You know, all these things.

00:55:37.000 This is stuff you want to read and answer honestly.

00:55:40.000 You're going to go through this little box here is where you actually attach your photo.

00:55:43.000 Now, what you do with the photo, you write your full name and the last four of your social security number on it, and then you stick it with a piece of tape.

00:55:50.000 Literally, just put a little tape, overloop it, you know what I mean, and stick it there.

00:55:53.000 Again, times two to the 80th, times one Absolutely.

00:55:58.000 That's why you need three pictures.

00:55:59.000 You probably don't need to put the picture on for your receipt, but you need three passport photos for each weapon that you're doing.

00:56:06.000 Absolutely. For guys as handsome as us, it's nice to have that extra copy with the picture on it, but that's fine.

00:56:10.000 Not everybody has to follow this.

00:56:11.000 Put it this way, the guy at CVS, when I was like, I need 60 passport photos, he's like, really?

00:56:17.000 He had not seen anything quite like that.

00:56:19.000 That was interesting. You'll go through, and it's going to ask you, it gets kind of, the only really tricky question here, if you're a U.S. citizen, there's a lot of stuff that's going to be not applicable to you.

00:56:30.000 You'll just check NA. If it asks you, have you been issued, like this one asks you if you've been issued a UPIN, obviously if you don't know what that is, you're going to check no because you haven't been issued that.

00:56:40.000 Ethnicity, you have to, this is split into two questions.

00:56:42.000 They want to know if you're Hispanic or not, and then they want to know your race.

00:56:45.000 So basically, are you Hispanic or not?

00:56:47.000 And then pick a color is what they want you to do.

00:56:49.000 They literally break it down like that.

00:56:51.000 Below that, your country of citizenship.

00:56:53.000 If you are a citizen of another country, you still can register.

00:56:57.000 Some countries allow it. Some don't.

00:56:59.000 They may delay it.

00:57:00.000 You may get a phone call. You may have to come in and talk to some people.

00:57:02.000 But just go through here.

00:57:04.000 State of birth, country of birth.

00:57:05.000 And then at the end, you will sign it as maker.

00:57:08.000 And then you'll date it. And that's what we do.

00:57:09.000 Now, this is the only part.

00:57:10.000 The signature. Even the date, you can do, again, on the PDF. But the signature on both front and back, again, you've got to sign as maker and you've got to sign as applicant on the front.

00:57:20.000 You have to sign, right?

00:57:21.000 So print them out, and then that's on each one of them, you've got to go through and sign each one.

00:57:26.000 Two copies, again, to the ATF, one copy to your local sheriff's department, one for your files.

00:57:31.000 I guess you don't need to save those, but it's probably nice to sign the receipt.

00:57:34.000 It's good. That's good to have. And probably do it anyway.

00:57:36.000 So you're going to do that times four just to be safe.

00:57:38.000 Now, if you do this after May 31st, and you check the tax paid option, you're going to have to print the third page, and you only need two copies of this.

00:57:47.000 What you'll do is, on this one, it asks you right down here.

00:57:53.000 If you're doing a trust, which nobody does because it basically...

00:57:56.000 They made it sort of obsolete.

00:57:57.000 That used to be a thing and now it doesn't really make much sense.

00:57:59.000 Now it adds a year to your processing time.

00:58:00.000 It's just not worth doing it. This is what you'd use for trust, but you actually check if you're going to pay the tax after May 31st, you would check how you're going to pay it.

00:58:07.000 So mail in a check, which I always recommend because that's your receipt.

00:58:10.000 They get it. They cash it.

00:58:12.000 You can do credit card, fill it out.

00:58:13.000 But this would actually go in with it.

00:58:15.000 But if you do it before May 31st, you don't use this page.

00:58:18.000 Because you're not paying the tax.

00:58:20.000 You literally do the two copies, the two fingerprint cards, you do the passport photos on the back, you mail it, put your return address on it, send it, and like I said, just send it first class mail, put some tracking on it, and then...

00:58:32.000 Page one's the only one that actually anything changes on.

00:58:35.000 Again, so why it's so important to do that PDF method, save it, and then you're literally just going back and changing and reprinting.

00:58:40.000 Change and reprint, because again, make, model, serial number, overall length, and barrel length are the only thing that's changing.

00:58:47.000 So it's literally... If you're doing ten of these, just this little column changes.

00:58:51.000 Everything else, you know, unless you've got stuff all over the place, is, you know, fixed.

00:58:57.000 So it's actually pretty simple, but there's so many little things that you can do.

00:59:01.000 The next thing, again, the two fingerprint cards going to the ATF at the address at the top of the form there in Oregon.

00:59:10.000 But again, make sure, you know, if you put tracking on it, priority, but not tracking.

00:59:15.000 Signature required, otherwise they're going to kick that back to you.

00:59:18.000 Absolutely, they definitely will. So that's pretty much it for the Form 1.

00:59:22.000 If you have any questions, like I said, you go back over the podcast.

00:59:24.000 We've pretty much covered everything on there.

00:59:26.000 As far as if you're going to go the non-registration pistol route, one thing I want to touch base on.

00:59:31.000 So let's take that guy there.

00:59:34.000 Sorry, I don't want to flag you.

00:59:35.000 I'll set it over here.

00:59:36.000 And I'm going to grab this guy here, which is what's called an angled foregrip, because if you remain a pistol, the first thing you would do is obviously we're going to go through Show the world that we've cleared the weapon for the 150th time.

00:59:48.000 We're going to pull the buttstock off, the arm brace off, and then what we have to do is we actually have to remove the buffer tube and replace it with a smooth tube.

00:59:56.000 At that point, the only other device we can put on for a front grip is an angled foregrip and it cannot protrude below the magwell.

01:00:03.000 So that's why you're limited to a handstop or an angled foregrip.

01:00:05.000 If you put this vertical grip on here, even in the pistol configuration, You're in an NFA violation and it's 10 years and $10,000.

01:00:12.000 Minor details. Which I'm sure they won't exercise that with discretion.

01:00:16.000 If you can cook, you're popular in federal prison aid.

01:00:19.000 That's allegedly from France.

01:00:21.000 But if you can't cook, just play by the rules.

01:00:25.000 Angle foregrip, smooth buffer tube if you want to remain a pistol, if you don't want to fill out the form.

01:00:30.000 There you have it, guys. You have about a week.

01:00:33.000 For any more information, again, you can go right to the Form 1.

01:00:35.000 It'll take you there on George's Instagram.

01:00:38.000 If you go to BTEUSA, check out his stuff.

01:00:41.000 Make some awesome guns.

01:00:43.000 Just a true patron. If you don't like the page on Instagram, it won't let you click the link to the ATF. Wow, look at that.

01:00:48.000 I like that.

01:00:50.000 If you don't hit the like, it won't.

01:00:52.000 No, but in all seriousness, George has been great.

01:00:54.000 He gives to a lot of law enforcement and veterans, charities, as well as helping active duty guys.

01:01:00.000 That's where Battle Tested actually came into effect.

01:01:03.000 He always goes above and beyond with this stuff.

01:01:05.000 And again, I don't know that neither of us are happy about what's going on with this, but we also understand he owns Full auto machine guns.

01:01:14.000 He's class three. If he breaks one little, it's over.

01:01:18.000 It's his entire business. Me, similar.

01:01:20.000 I'm on an SOT. I have suppressors.

01:01:22.000 I have these kinds of things. I'm on any list in the world.

01:01:27.000 I just know that people are waiting for me to make an error.

01:01:31.000 And as much as that sucks, it's the reality of the situation.

01:01:33.000 That's not to say we're soft on this issue.

01:01:36.000 I promise you, no one on this podcast, no one watching or that could be watching in the future has more vested, more guns than certainly you or I combined.

01:01:48.000 But, you know, than us, but we're just trying to make sure that people understand how to stay within the law, even if we're not happy with that law, even if we think it's overreach, even if we think it's bullshit, which it is, you know, we also understand that we're the first people that are going to get a visit, and we're going to be made an example of it.

01:02:07.000 There's nothing worth your freedom, you know what I'm saying?

01:02:09.000 You fight, you know, your podcast, you fight the good fight every day, and I watch it, I'm a huge fan, I've told you that, I watch it every day.

01:02:14.000 Yeah, George actually chimes in a lot to the Ask Me On Many things on Locals that I do afterwards.

01:02:20.000 For those of you with questions, your subscribers there, he's going to stick around anyway.

01:02:26.000 So if we have other questions about the details, I hope the rest of it's self-explanatory, showed you all the details how to do it, and we should be good to go.

01:02:34.000 But make your own decisions.

01:02:36.000 We're all big boys and girls.

01:02:38.000 You can do that.

01:02:39.000 We just wanted to make you understand exactly what's out there.

01:02:42.000 And again, vote.

01:02:44.000 Absolutely. Elect people who will push back on this shit. 1.00

01:02:46.000 Maybe in two years, in four years, in eight years, whatever it may be, maybe we can win a Supreme Court battle about this. 1.00

01:02:53.000 But these are the things they're going after.

01:02:55.000 They've made no bones about that.

01:02:57.000 They're going to try to make you in violation of the law.

01:03:00.000 You look at what they did, again, to the good Samaritan, Daniel Perry.

01:03:03.000 Absolutely. Choking out a lunatic. 0.94

01:03:06.000 You know, on a subway trying to protect people.

01:03:08.000 Everyone says he's a hero that was actually there, but he's gonna be charged with murder.

01:03:13.000 You know, that's why he's, you know, they're trying to put us in a situation where people don't want to be good Samaritans, where they don't want to defend themselves.

01:03:22.000 But guys, one day you, one of your loved ones, is going to be in a situation, and you're gonna hope...

01:03:28.000 That someone has the balls to actually step up and be that good Samaritan. 0.89

01:03:33.000 These leftist DAs, the Soros Fund, the Democrat, just policy in general, they want to eliminate that person. 0.99

01:03:40.000 They want people just weak like sheep.

01:03:44.000 And again, while we're talking about how to go about giving them this information, they probably have it already.

01:03:50.000 And like I said, I'm on every list, which is why people have to make their own decisions with that.

01:03:54.000 One of the things we have to keep in mind, too, this affects five to seven million Americans.

01:03:58.000 That's five to seven million people we need to keep out of jail so they can vote for Donald Trump in 2024.

01:04:02.000 That's the way I look at it. That's the way it has to go.

01:04:04.000 Thank you very much, George. I appreciate it, buddy.

01:04:07.000 Thank you. So, guys, now what we're going to do, we're going to bring in my buddy Jason Vincent.

01:04:10.000 He's my partner in Field Ethos.

01:04:13.000 Former multiple agency law enforcement.

01:04:16.000 He's a funny and witty guy who can discuss the amount of hate that I will get for even suggesting or talking about how to possibly stay within the laws.

01:04:28.000 I can assure you Jason's seen at least a third of my gun collection and understands that I'm not a slouch on the Second Amendment.

01:04:34.000 But Jason, welcome aboard, buddy.

01:04:39.000 Yeah, I mean, honestly, I just started actually using Twitter for the first time in the last week. 0.99

01:04:45.000 I had no idea how much bullshit you put up with every day on Twitter. 0.74

01:04:51.000 If you think Twitter's bad, imagine what the ATF would do to me if I was in violation of some of these things. 0.97

01:04:58.000 Again, I'm not saying it's for everyone, but I just want to make sure people have their options.

01:05:03.000 Man, you're such a fun target for the ATF. But yeah, I mean, this whole thing, what it's about is turning guys like you and I into criminals.

01:05:12.000 And it's absolutely bullshit. 0.99

01:05:14.000 So I was talking to Charlie Benton, who works with me at Field Ethos. 0.99

01:05:17.000 And Charlie's a former law enforcement officer.

01:05:19.000 He spent 12 years in.

01:05:21.000 I spent almost a decade.

01:05:22.000 And the guys at the ATF, bottom line, The field agents are not happy about this.

01:05:29.000 The brass is making changes that are unconstitutional, and it's going to affect the guys on the ground that are doing the job.

01:05:37.000 They're unhappy about it.

01:05:39.000 Really, the way that things are supposed to work and the way that things worked for Charlie and I, if there was a change that was going to come into play in how we did our job and how we enforced the law, It came through a legal update.

01:05:55.000 And we got several legal updates a year.

01:05:57.000 But legal updates were based off of court decisions that we then had to change how we operated.

01:06:04.000 It was never an agency going, you know what, guys?

01:06:07.000 We're just going to... Change how we do this, just for the hell of it. 0.98

01:06:11.000 We're going to decide that we want to put these people in jail for no fucking reason. 0.77

01:06:15.000 And so it has changed a lot for the guys that are working for the ATF. Yeah, listen, you heard me make that distinction. 0.97

01:06:23.000 I mean, the distinction between sort of the bureaucrats at the top and the door kickers. 0.85

01:06:27.000 I mean, I can't tell you the amount of FBI agents in the last few years that have come up to me.

01:06:31.000 It's a disgrace what's going on, but they also, you know, they can't lose their job, their pension, their livelihood, their families, you know, because...

01:06:38.000 They understand that they say something.

01:06:40.000 They're gone. You saw the testimony last week.

01:06:42.000 I mean, you know, well, you know, I said something and I was immediately blackballed and I was locked out of my files and sent to Guam to do it.

01:06:49.000 I mean, they are going after the whistleblower.

01:06:52.000 So, you know, we understand we're not blaming all of law enforcement.

01:06:56.000 I do know from conversations with George in the past, I mean, you know, connections that...

01:07:01.000 We've had... He has at ATF. Literally, people were using me as the example because months ago, I was out shooting with Spencer, with George, and we were shooting full autos in the desert, totally legal.

01:07:12.000 He's got all the stuff. And I... The boss...

01:07:16.000 Literally said, like, Donald Trump Jr.

01:07:18.000 is the real threat.

01:07:20.000 It's like, really? I'm the threat? Not like the, you know, people murdering people with illegal 400-year-old handguns in the streets of Chicago?

01:07:26.000 No, no, I don't think I'm the actual threat.

01:07:28.000 I don't know that any of my guns has ever just magically got up and shot someone.

01:07:33.000 It just doesn't happen that way, but that doesn't matter because it's not about law.

01:07:37.000 It's not about actually stopping the crime.

01:07:40.000 It's about stopping people who have the ability to defend themselves from being able to do so.

01:07:47.000 And that's what it's really about.

01:07:49.000 I mean, it has nothing to do with making the United States a safer place.

01:07:55.000 Changing the restrictions on a pistol-braced firearm or an SBR, that does not make anything safer.

01:08:00.000 As a matter of fact, I've got several examples of things that are legal and things that are going to be illegal if you don't update them by the end of the month.

01:08:08.000 If you're cool with it, I'll go ahead and pull those things up and kind of show them off and explain the differences.

01:08:12.000 That's it. So this is a legal firearm, okay?

01:08:17.000 This is a Galil 308.

01:08:19.000 It's been safety checked.

01:08:21.000 I heard you guys go through some of that.

01:08:22.000 You know, based on what you've seen on social, Jason, you know that if there's something that's not that you, oh my god!

01:08:29.000 You know, the outrage police, not to say that we shouldn't be safe, but the outrage police, they'll find something that they can bitch about. 0.85

01:08:37.000 100%. But this gun has a side folding stock. 0.55

01:08:40.000 You can see it right there. So basically the stock folds up on the side of the gun.

01:08:43.000 You can actually still fire this gun while the stock is folded.

01:08:48.000 This is going to be illegal next week.

01:08:52.000 So you can see this gun here is actually longer than the legal gun, right?

01:08:58.000 So we're talking about short barreled rifles, making this a short barreled rifle.

01:09:02.000 This is a full length barreled rifle with a folding stock.

01:09:05.000 But if you really were trying to conceal it, the one with the folding stock actually folds up and is smaller.

01:09:10.000 There are a ton of examples out there like that.

01:09:14.000 The ATF is picking and choosing what they're going to make illegal.

01:09:20.000 The reality of it is, this is a perfect vehicle for them.

01:09:24.000 Arbitrarily changing how they're going to enforce SBR regulations is a perfect way to attack a ton of legal gun owners at one time.

01:09:36.000 There are 5 to 10 million braces out there.

01:09:39.000 Does that mean there are 5 to 10 million consumers that actually own them?

01:09:43.000 Probably not. People like me own multiple.

01:09:46.000 People like you own multiple.

01:09:47.000 But the reality of it is, is this is an arbitrary law change, or not even a law change, arbitrary rule interpretation that they're going to enforce and make us criminals.

01:09:58.000 So, you know, what is the solution?

01:10:00.000 You know, I know, you know, you did a thing on, you know, Field Ethos, for those of you who, you know, are following me, or, you know, primarily on Instagram, I guess, because, you know, on Twitter, it's not even worth it, you know, sort of unapologetic men's adventure lifestyle brand publication, a lot of focus on Second Amendment, focus on hunting, fishing, the outdoors, that adventure lifestyle, and again, unapologetic, because even those things have gone woke.

01:10:22.000 But you did a post last week talking about some of the intricacies that we talked about tonight.

01:10:29.000 And again, there's some of those like, oh my God, I can't believe you said X, Y, Z.

01:10:33.000 Talk about the details of that.

01:10:35.000 Because again, I just want people to, this is not advocating either way,

01:10:38.000 but I think we have to understand based on what we've seen, the lengths that people will go

01:10:44.000 to hurt people that believe most of what the people that are watching a podcast like this

01:10:50.000 will do.

01:10:50.000 You could see that, right?

01:10:51.000 The BLM rioters, nothing happens. 0.86

01:10:53.000 But if you were anywhere within a thousand miles of DC on January 6th,

01:10:56.000 you were looked at or you may still be in jail.

01:10:59.000 So we just want people to be clear in that.

01:11:02.000 But the haters will say it's a total infringement, it's a disaster, which I agree with.

01:11:07.000 But it's just part of that's the reality of what we have to deal with.

01:11:10.000 And I want to make sure people understand that and can make informed decisions themselves.

01:11:16.000 Sure. So what I did last week was I showed a video of me actually registering one of these firearms that's going to be affected as a short barreled rifle on the form one that you guys talked about.

01:11:28.000 And I'm not going to go into detail.

01:11:31.000 But there are processes online that make this thing really quick.

01:11:34.000 You can e-file with the ATF. So I filmed a video showing, okay, I'm going to turn this pistol-braced firearm into a legal SBR. Am I doing that with all of them?

01:11:44.000 Absolutely not. Andrew Clyde, who was on earlier, Congressman Clyde, he explained that there is going to be a gap.

01:11:51.000 And when they start enforcing this illegal SBR, Illegal regulation.

01:11:57.000 And when he feels like his supporters in Congress will be able to shut this down.

01:12:04.000 So basically what I was saying was either take the pistol brace off of the firearm or you can do what I'm doing with several of these that I wanted to SBR anyways.

01:12:13.000 And here's the process on how to do that.

01:12:15.000 And people just went nuts.

01:12:17.000 You know, no, leave the pistol braces on.

01:12:20.000 Don't register anything with the ATF. And look, I'm...

01:12:24.000 I'm not disagreeing with them at all.

01:12:26.000 I think you should exercise whatever option you feel comfortable exercising.

01:12:30.000 If you want to be a felon for a couple weeks, look, I've got no problem with that.

01:12:35.000 But what we were saying is, if you don't want to be a felon during this gap, or, you know, however long it takes to correct this issue, Take the pistol brace off, leave it away from the gun.

01:12:47.000 I think some people have said even destroy the pistol brace.

01:12:50.000 Or you can go through a Form 1, the tax stamp $200 fee is waived right now, and you can turn it into a legal SBR. Now, here's the problem with having a legal SBR, and most people don't know this.

01:13:00.000 If you actually do convert that gun, your pistol brace firearm, into a legal SBR, you can no longer travel outside of state lines with that firearm Is it ATF or local law enforcement?

01:13:27.000 I believe it's ATF. And I asked an ATF agent about that, and he said, yes, this is ATF. You have to notify, but I don't know who you're supposed to notify.

01:13:36.000 So he didn't know. Actually, George is sitting right here.

01:13:38.000 Do you know this one? Because once it's registered and it's the SBR, to travel out of state with that gun, you have to notify.

01:13:46.000 What are the rules on that?

01:13:47.000 Because, again, we just want to make sure everyone knows everything.

01:13:50.000 So what you're going to do is you're actually going to want to notify the CLEO of the area you're traveling to.

01:13:55.000 Okay, so you're notifying the local law enforcement that you're doing.

01:13:58.000 Okay, so the sheriff or chief of police in that jurisdiction?

01:14:04.000 Sheriff or Chief of Police?

01:14:05.000 Yeah, basically. Basically the same people you're mailing the second copy of the form.

01:14:09.000 If I'm coming to Palm Beach County, I'm going to let him know that I'm traveling to his county to hunt with a suppressor or a short bearer wife or whatever it is.

01:14:15.000 Let them know ahead of time before you travel.

01:14:17.000 But you're not asking for permission.

01:14:18.000 You're just stating it. You're notifying them.

01:14:20.000 Some counties have different terms you have to notify at X amount of days before.

01:14:25.000 There may be some, I'm sure, probably in some of the more liberal areas where you actually have to get a response from them, get permission from them, but I've yet to run across that.

01:14:34.000 So, listen, yeah, again, more nuance that we'll figure out, but, you know, it's an important thing, and I mean, you know, I imagine that's something that we want to think of.

01:14:44.000 I've never—I've been to plenty of things.

01:14:46.000 I've traveled with stuff like this all over the place, never been bothered, never been checked, never been—you know, but, again, that doesn't mean they won't start enforcement immediately, and I imagine they'll, you know, prosecute those very, very selectively, me being— I mean, there's so many just different things that you have to pay attention to regarding firearms laws from state to state.

01:15:11.000 Hypothetically, I might have come to visit you in a state one time and accidentally had something in my truck, hypothetically, that I wasn't supposed to have, but it was completely okay here.

01:15:22.000 And it wouldn't have been okay there.

01:15:25.000 But, you know, regardless, the smart thing to do Yeah.

01:15:36.000 Yeah.

01:15:42.000 If you don't want to be, you know, if you don't want to open yourself up to, you know, legal charges, that's the only thing you can do right now.

01:15:52.000 Yeah. You know, it's interesting.

01:15:53.000 I'm seeing a couple, you know, one question was, do you have to notify every county that you pass through?

01:15:57.000 And the usual answer to that is no.

01:15:59.000 Meaning if you're in transit, just like if I'm taking a gun on a plane, you know, when I'm going hunting somewhere, you can go in transit through without it.

01:16:06.000 So it's really the destination. But I'm also seeing people do the, you know, register your gun so they can find you.

01:16:11.000 It's like, again, For me, folks, I'm on a list.

01:16:15.000 If you haven't been watching for the last six years, if you've commented on my podcast or anyone else's, you're probably on a list too.

01:16:24.000 If you think that they're not already spying on you, you haven't been watching, you haven't seen the stuff that they've...

01:16:30.000 You know, put out as it relates to the Patriot Act.

01:16:33.000 You haven't seen the tens of thousands of people that they violated just this week where they were doing illegal sort of searches and whatever it may be on these things.

01:16:42.000 You know, I don't think in this world of technology, unless you're literally totally off the grid, don't have a credit card because I know the banks told, you know, the FBI who charged anything.

01:16:53.000 They offered it up. Bank of America certainly did it.

01:16:56.000 They offered it up to the FBI. Well, these people were around D.C. that day.

01:17:01.000 It's a charge on their credit card.

01:17:02.000 Why don't you go ask them a question?

01:17:05.000 I don't know that there's a level of off-the-grid that we can reasonably expect to say that we're not on a list at this point.

01:17:12.000 So we have to understand that.

01:17:14.000 So again, this is not...

01:17:17.000 You and I are definitely list buddies.

01:17:21.000 We're on the same list.

01:17:22.000 I'm on more lists than you.

01:17:23.000 I have to say this.

01:17:25.000 You know what I mean? 100%.

01:17:27.000 100%. But the reality is, what's really unfortunate right now is that you have an executive branch that is picking and choosing how they want law enforcement to do their jobs, right?

01:17:41.000 So you have them basically telling Border Patrol to ignore the laws.

01:17:45.000 And then you have them telling ATF to aggressively enforce rules that are not laws, right?

01:17:53.000 So they are picking and choosing how they administer the law in this country from the executive branch.

01:17:58.000 They are pressuring these agencies.

01:18:00.000 They're pressuring the brass to carry out their bidding.

01:18:03.000 And it affects American people like me and you and my neighbors and Charlie here that works for me.

01:18:10.000 It's crazy to think that if one of my friends from church decides not to take a brace off of his gun next week, that he's a felon.

01:18:20.000 Responsible people. I imagine that those will actually be enforced, unlike the laws against arson and looting and rioting and even insurrection, like when government buildings were taken over in Portland and Seattle during the Summer of Love.

01:18:34.000 You know, it's just different, and those are the realities of the world.

01:18:37.000 We don't have to be happy about it.

01:18:39.000 It's why we actually have to be involved.

01:18:41.000 It's why we have to be vocal.

01:18:43.000 It's why we can't be passive about it.

01:18:45.000 You know, people, you know, well, you know, we'll let Trump go take the hits.

01:18:48.000 No, no, no, guys. Like, if one guy going out there by himself, they can cancel all of us.

01:18:52.000 But, you know, 175 million Americans start saying this is bullshit and calling it out. 0.98

01:18:57.000 It's different. I mean, we saw that space. 0.99

01:18:59.000 I mean, that's how we sort of got together and created Field Ethos.

01:19:02.000 I mean, even literally the hunting and outdoor space, which is where sort of the magazine started and then sort of spun off into just a general adventure lifestyle, even that sort of got taken over by the woke folks.

01:19:13.000 And, you know, we can't talk about, you know, the...

01:19:15.000 Killing an animal, even, like, you're selling hunting guns.

01:19:19.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:19:20.000 I mean, talk a little bit about Field of Ethos so those of you who haven't seen it, who are just watching this and don't necessarily follow my Instagram, you know, can learn a little bit more about that and what started it.

01:19:29.000 Yeah, it really started when you and I were hunting in Utah several years ago, and we were talking about how there wasn't really an outlet out there that didn't have some element of woke ideology bleeding into the pages of the magazine.

01:19:42.000 And we're talking hunting magazines.

01:19:44.000 And there are some great gun publications out there.

01:19:47.000 There are some great hunting magazines out there.

01:19:49.000 But you and I felt like nothing really represented who we are.

01:19:52.000 Everybody's kind of given up ground on some certain things that you and I refuse to give up ground on.

01:19:58.000 So we decided to start our own brand.

01:20:00.000 And so we started Field Ethos to tell the unapologetic truth about who we are as sportsmen and adventurers and hunters and anglers and just men.

01:20:10.000 So it's a men's lifestyle brand with a heavy-handed DNA of hunting and fishing, but really it's the global hunt for adventure, whether that's us riding motorcycles through Africa or hunting in Mongolia or spearfishing in Turkey, whatever that is.

01:20:26.000 We tell it from our perspective, not that, you know, apologetic, washed-down version of what society tells men they ought to be now.

01:20:36.000 So I would describe it, you know, at least in the print journal form, and I've got the most recent issue right here.

01:20:42.000 It's kind of like National Geographic if all the editors Killed things and owned assault rifles.

01:20:48.000 Um, and it is, it is just a, it's a lot of fun to be honest with you.

01:20:53.000 Um, you know, it's, it's a passion project for me and you.

01:20:56.000 We both love the outdoors.

01:20:58.000 We both love taking adventures and traveling the world and experiencing new cultures and meeting new people really is probably our favorite part, I would say.

01:21:05.000 Um, and you and I have traveled quite a bit together and we make friends everywhere we go and it's, it's just something that we're passionate about and, and we wanted to do this our way.

01:21:14.000 Um, And people have responded really well to it.

01:21:17.000 There are a lot of men out there that feel like their lifestyle is being ripped away from them.

01:21:23.000 You know why that is? Because it is.

01:21:27.000 Because it is. Because it is.

01:21:28.000 Because it is being ripped away from them.

01:21:30.000 Yeah. I mean, the things that we're seeing corporations do right now.

01:21:36.000 If you would have suggested some of these things when you and I were 10, 11 years old, You'd have been laughed out of the room, right?

01:21:43.000 Yeah, the only masculinity and testosterone that's permitted right now is in a woman injecting it into herself. 1.00

01:21:50.000 That's fine, and that's wonderful, but actual masculinity, traditional red-blooded American men, that's a big faux pas. 0.63

01:21:57.000 We can't do any of that. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I laugh about a lot of it until I think about the fact that, okay, my kids are going to inherit this, and that's not funny, you know?

01:22:08.000 It's just, it's asinine, the direction our country is headed in.

01:22:13.000 And we really feel the ethos is in response to that.

01:22:17.000 We wanted to create something that...

01:22:19.000 You and I would be proud of, and we have some amazing people involved in the project now.

01:22:24.000 Daybetter, Colin Jones, Mike Scobie, Shane Meisel, Charlie Benton, Alex Brigham.

01:22:30.000 I mean, we've got a really cool crew of people that share this lifestyle with us and make Field Ethos what it is.

01:22:39.000 It's unbelievable that really there aren't more products like ours out there.

01:22:44.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:22:46.000 They always say build your own, and so we did.

01:22:50.000 Yeah. Maybe transgenders just buy a ton of magazines. 1.00

01:22:54.000 I don't know. Well, apparently they buy a ton of Ford pickup trucks.

01:22:59.000 Even the Raptors going gay. 0.99

01:23:01.000 It's amazing. I will say the Raptors always been kind of gay. 1.00

01:23:05.000 But, you know, Not that there's anything wrong with that. 0.94

01:23:09.000 Before we get canceled.

01:23:11.000 Not that there's anything wrong with that.

01:23:13.000 But look, there's nothing wrong with it.

01:23:16.000 But there's some really funny stuff going on out there right now that I just can't believe.

01:23:21.000 The Bud Light thing, we don't need to talk more about that.

01:23:24.000 I mean, to be honest with you, I was telling somebody the other day that I'm pretty sure the top brass at Bud Light did not know that that was going to happen.

01:23:34.000 Well, yeah, and I was sort of surprised that a band that traditionally wasn't...

01:23:38.000 I think I got crapped all over on that one, but I'm not shedding any tears for anyone that gets this sort of treatment for being insane.

01:23:46.000 Here's the deal. I'm an investor in companies taking on that.

01:23:49.000 I put actual money behind things like You know, whether it's, you know, Patriot Mobile, Public Square, I mean, that's a big one that I, like, I literally, I'm an investor in it, doing it.

01:24:02.000 What was sort of amazing to me is, like, why has no one done this to Nike?

01:24:05.000 Why has no one done this to Hollywood? 0.99

01:24:08.000 Why has no one done this to all the guys jamming this shit down our throats for a moment, number one? 0.98

01:24:13.000 Like, I'm sort of, I was like, well, this one, like, yeah, I'm not shedding any tears, but I'm sort of amazed it took that long for it to happen to anyone corporately. 0.98

01:24:21.000 I think the way I felt about it was that the way that I felt about that one was like, okay, I'm pretty sure the top brass wouldn't have allowed this.

01:24:31.000 They probably didn't know.

01:24:32.000 Now's their time to respond to it.

01:24:34.000 And they did not respond to it in a way that a lot of us felt comfortable with.

01:24:39.000 So we said goodbye to the brand forever.

01:24:41.000 And they didn't triage that situation very well.

01:24:46.000 What's even scarier, like I said, is now the doubling down from all these other companies that are, you know, just, ah, like, that was great.

01:24:52.000 What's the worst? I'm like, wait a minute.

01:24:54.000 Did you see? Like, and, you know, even, you know, with that in hindsight, they don't care enough, which to me is what's really scary, right?

01:25:02.000 That you can see that kind of reaction and then be like, I want some of that, too, because I'm like, man, I don't know.

01:25:07.000 I don't know that anyone should want some of that at this point.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, I mean, lose $5 billion this quarter, that didn't scare these people off from doing it with their brands.

01:25:15.000 You know, Bud Light has lost a ton of money this quarter.

01:25:18.000 And the fact that people have kind of doubled down and continued along their path is...

01:25:23.000 I don't know. I really can't even wrap my head around it.

01:25:26.000 But I do know this.

01:25:28.000 You know, we have to...

01:25:30.000 As conservatives, as Americans, we have to find brands that we believe in that don't engage in that and we have to support them.

01:25:38.000 That is the only way to combat this.

01:25:41.000 You know, you've got... I don't know.

01:25:43.000 You've got Yingling.

01:25:44.000 If you wanted to support a different beer brand, Yingling is very right down the middle on the conservative side.

01:25:53.000 They're true American patriot brand, very old beer brand, but there are all kinds of brands out there that people, if they just look...

01:26:01.000 They can support brands. Yeah, guys, get on Public Square.

01:26:03.000 Like, just publicsq.com.

01:26:05.000 You can find, like, literally a directory of people that sign up, small businesses that sign up to say, these are our values, these are what we believe in. 0.94

01:26:13.000 And when you look at sort of, again, the economic storm that's coming, the decisions that are being made, like, you can choose to put, like, their kids through, like, hockey practice or whatever, or you can keep supporting, like, you know, woke corporate America who doesn't give a shit about you. 0.90

01:26:27.000 So, you know, go check those guys out. 0.77

01:26:30.000 Check out Field Ethos, guys.

01:26:32.000 Check out Battle Tested Equipment.

01:26:34.000 Jason, thank you very much.

01:26:35.000 I appreciate it. And I also want to thank our sponsors, the guys that, you know, support programming like this and shows like this.

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01:27:06.000 The rise in interest rates. 1.00

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01:27:17.000 You saw what happened and the bank collapses. 1.00

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01:27:22.000 I mean, they had a banking board of 12 people.

01:27:24.000 I believe one of them had any banking experience.

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01:27:59.000 For a wide variety of delicious meals to take care of you when you actually need it.

01:28:04.000 And again, I think we've been watching.

01:28:06.000 It makes sense to be prepared.

01:28:08.000 So to check that out, preparewithdonjr.com.

01:28:11.000 That's P-R-E-P-A-R-E with Don, J-U-N-I-O-R.com.

01:28:17.000 You've got to spell out the junior on this one.

01:28:18.000 I've got to fix that because all the others are D-O-N-J-R. Spell it out. 1.00

01:28:24.000 Preparewithdonjr, J-U-N-I-O-R.com. 1.00

01:28:27.000 Check it out. Learn how to take care of yourselves and family just in case it goes wrong, which, based on the idiots that they have in charge right now, are doing that. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Guys, also make sure to hit the like button on this one. 0.99

01:28:37.000 This is one of those, this is not an evergreen podcast, right?

01:28:41.000 This one is one that basically, come May 31st, You can't do anything about it.

01:28:46.000 So share it with your friends.

01:28:48.000 Hit the like button.

01:28:49.000 Pass it on to your friends who are gun owners so they can learn what to do.

01:28:53.000 They can learn how to go through the process on the form one.

01:28:56.000 If they choose to do that, they can learn every variable to not make a mistake if that's the route they want to go.

01:29:02.000 And I think if it's not, I think we've given you plenty of reasons to do the other one.

01:29:06.000 But this isn't one that you're going to look at in a month.

01:29:08.000 This one's got a one-week cycle.

01:29:09.000 And given, you know...

01:29:11.000 Some of the time, you could probably do it in a good solid half a day and actually get through everything, even if you have a bunch of them, because the fingerprint cards, the two-pack of that that you need for ATF, the quick run to CVS for your passport photos.

01:29:24.000 It can be done pretty quickly, but don't wait until the last day.

01:29:28.000 Get it in the mail if you can a little bit earlier.

01:29:31.000 The better. Get it in the mail if you're choosing to do that one.

01:29:34.000 You know, priority so you have tracking but no signature.

01:29:37.000 Remember that one. It'll get kicked back and you're up Schitt's Creek.

01:29:41.000 So thank you so much, guys.

01:29:42.000 Again, like and share to those of you who have Second Amendment friends so they know what to do.

01:29:49.000 We appreciate one. Hopefully this was educational.

01:29:51.000 Maybe, you know, give me some comments on that if you like the idea of this because this was a very different sort of route.

01:29:57.000 I've not done sort of the tutorial But I'll be curious.

01:30:02.000 And for those of you who may have more questions, if you're following me over on Locals, I'm going to kick over to that right now.

01:30:08.000 Do the Ask Me Anything.

01:30:09.000 And if there's anything else that needs to be banged out in there, we can maybe cover it.

01:30:14.000 So thank you very much, guys.

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