TRIGGERnometry - ＂Trans Ideology is the New Homophobia＂

00:00:00.000 When was the moment where you thought,

00:00:02.920 eh, I'm not really on board with this train?

00:00:06.460 When they told me I had to suck dick.

00:00:08.940 Honestly, it was that simple for me.

00:00:10.860 Who told you to suck dick?

00:00:12.340 A lot of people.

00:00:13.600 A lot of people claiming to be lesbians

00:00:16.060 because they were trans-inclusive lesbians.

00:00:20.780 Like, that was like the moment where I was like,

00:00:22.400 okay, this is just homophobia and it's fine.

00:00:24.180 Like, how did we get here?

00:00:25.420 How are these supposed people that are queer activists

00:00:29.520 literally against what homosexuality is?

00:00:39.520 Hello and welcome to Trigonometry.

00:00:42.420 I'm Francis Foster.

00:00:43.780 I'm Constantine Kissin.

00:00:44.860 And this is a show for you

00:00:46.440 if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

00:00:50.240 Our brilliant and returning guest

00:00:51.860 is a fellow YouTuber, Arios Carcello.

00:00:53.580 Welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:00:54.940 Well, I mean, welcome.

00:00:56.720 Yes, I was going to say, welcome to England.

00:00:58.680 Yeah, thank you for welcoming me.

00:01:00.240 It's great to have you here.

00:01:01.220 First time we meet you in person.

00:01:02.640 We interviewed you during one of the lockdowns ages ago.

00:01:05.960 I think you interviewed me like a month

00:01:07.620 after I came out of the closet as like a non-leftist.

00:01:11.320 Really?

00:01:12.040 That's apparently what you said in like 2020.

00:01:14.120 That's like right when I came out as leaving the left.

00:01:17.080 Right, right.

00:01:17.440 So that must have been how you found me.

00:01:19.080 That's how everybody else found me.

00:01:19.900 I think so, yeah.

00:01:20.720 Well, a lot of people recommended that we speak with you.

00:01:23.420 And we had a conversation,

00:01:24.480 but remote is not the same as in person.

00:01:26.360 So just for anyone who didn't catch that interview,

00:01:29.620 who are you?

00:01:30.400 What has been your journey through life?

00:01:32.340 What leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

00:01:34.440 Oh my God, it's a lot.

00:01:36.440 It's a lot, let's be real.

00:01:38.400 I'm like the OG lesbian of YouTube, right?

00:01:40.300 Like I've been doing videos for 12 years.

00:01:43.400 And in the beginning it was like,

00:01:45.060 it's okay to be gay, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:01:47.200 Like that was like back in the day, right?

00:01:49.080 Like 2008, nine, 10, 11.

00:01:50.820 When it sort of needed to be said a little bit.

00:01:52.600 Right, we didn't even have gay marriage

00:01:54.080 in the United States, right?

00:01:55.140 So that was, it was actually oppression, right?

00:01:58.100 There was actual oppression.

00:01:59.000 Now everyone's gay.

00:01:59.920 Now everyone's gay.

00:02:00.560 Now everyone's non-binary.

00:02:02.640 Like what even is that?

00:02:03.960 So then I started talking about sex ed

00:02:05.820 and then I was like, okay,

00:02:06.700 I'm just getting sick of these crazy people

00:02:09.620 calling themselves queer, non-binary,

00:02:12.000 when they don't have gender dysphoria,

00:02:13.880 when they're not same-sex attracted,

00:02:15.960 when I know, you know, I could curse on here.

00:02:18.200 Like I know that you're a lesbian,

00:02:19.700 you wouldn't suck a dick.

00:02:21.660 Like, and people are afraid.

00:02:23.660 There's a lot of straight women

00:02:24.520 who wouldn't do that either,

00:02:25.400 but enough about my marital problems.

00:02:27.540 Anyway, carry on.

00:02:28.060 Oh my God.

00:02:29.520 So, but yeah, like it became such,

00:02:33.480 all the words and all the identities

00:02:35.240 used to mean so many different things

00:02:37.060 than they do now.

00:02:38.240 Yeah.

00:02:38.840 And then I started,

00:02:40.180 it's like I reverted back to the old thing.

00:02:42.920 It's okay to be a homosexual again.

00:02:45.180 Like that's where I'm at now.

00:02:46.440 And I talk about culture and politics

00:02:47.800 and that stuff.

00:02:49.080 So that's where I'm at now.

00:02:50.640 Because now you can't be gay anymore.

00:02:52.740 It's transphobic, you know, of course.

00:02:54.900 Oh, is it?

00:02:55.840 Yeah.

00:02:56.120 Let's get into that.

00:02:56.660 Yeah.

00:02:57.140 We could go dive right in.

00:02:58.500 Let's dive right into that.

00:02:59.900 So what do you mean by that?

00:03:01.060 Well, I don't, I, what do I mean?

00:03:02.620 What do they mean?

00:03:03.660 Okay.

00:03:03.960 And I mean, pun intended, they, the days,

00:03:06.560 the days we call them, the day thems.

00:03:08.520 Right.

00:03:09.180 It's like, you can't,

00:03:10.080 you can't be like a straight up lesbian anymore.

00:03:12.260 Why not?

00:03:13.120 Because they call you transphobic.

00:03:14.620 If you like, you're, I'm a lesbian that like,

00:03:16.200 I only want like vagina.

00:03:17.660 Sorry.

00:03:18.260 Oh, you're transphobic because some trans women

00:03:19.920 have penises and some trans women are women

00:03:22.320 and some trans women are lesbians.

00:03:23.860 And you need to like, it's like, no,

00:03:26.720 it's not how it works, but.

00:03:28.160 So you're saying being attracted to the same sex,

00:03:31.260 in your case, the female sex.

00:03:33.260 Yeah.

00:03:33.540 Is considered exclusionary by trans activists?

00:03:36.260 100%.

00:03:36.820 And a lot of them are here in the UK.

00:03:39.640 What?

00:03:40.720 Just saying.

00:03:41.960 I'm just saying.

00:03:43.680 It's like the United States, the UK and Australia.

00:03:46.320 It's like, and Canada, bad.

00:03:47.540 What's the Anglosphere really?

00:03:48.820 Going mental all at once.

00:03:49.940 I mean, it's first world countries.

00:03:51.300 Yeah.

00:03:51.560 First world problems, right?

00:03:52.620 Right, right, right, right.

00:03:53.480 You don't see people in Africa complaining

00:03:54.800 about like homosexuality.

00:03:56.600 Do you reckon this episode is going to be demonetized?

00:03:58.600 Yeah, probably.

00:04:00.560 Listen, then it's homophobia.

00:04:02.600 Same homophobia.

00:04:03.500 So I guess, but being serious for a second,

00:04:05.560 what you're saying is you are now seeing

00:04:07.400 that people like you who identify,

00:04:10.020 who identify, who are lesbian.

00:04:11.520 Right.

00:04:11.820 Right.

00:04:12.700 You are sort of, you're feeling pressure.

00:04:15.460 100%.

00:04:15.820 And I get messages every day.

00:04:17.920 Literally every day.

00:04:19.060 People that I date, like it's funny

00:04:20.460 because when I'm going to go on dates

00:04:22.080 and they find out like who I am, whatever,

00:04:23.540 they'll be like, a lot of them will be like,

00:04:24.900 oh, you must have girls up in your DMs flirting with you.

00:04:27.520 I'm like, actually, it's just,

00:04:28.760 it's a lot of like gay people that are like,

00:04:31.260 you know, I'm outcasted at my school

00:04:33.000 because I'm like homosexual

00:04:34.140 and I'm not non-binary and not queer

00:04:36.000 and I'm not, you know, trans identifying

00:04:38.320 and I'm not open to everything.

00:04:40.040 It's like, because you're just gay, like.

00:04:42.180 So you're not rainbow enough anymore.

00:04:43.540 You're not rainbow enough.

00:04:44.420 You can't, you can't just be like a basic gay guy

00:04:46.540 or a basic lesbian anymore.

00:04:47.920 Is it because.

00:04:48.540 You know why though, right?

00:04:49.560 No, go for it.

00:04:50.260 Why?

00:04:50.380 Because you, because nobody likes cis straight white people.

00:04:53.320 Right.

00:04:54.200 Or cis, like, the less, let me say this.

00:04:58.580 How do you say it?

00:04:59.500 Okay.

00:04:59.980 So like cis straight white men are at the bottom of the pole.

00:05:03.080 Like they're at the top of the world.

00:05:04.480 Yeah, we know.

00:05:05.320 Right.

00:05:05.640 They're at the top of the world

00:05:06.940 but like in the gay culture, right?

00:05:09.280 Like the woke culture, you're at the bottom.

00:05:11.660 Like nobody likes you.

00:05:12.400 So like, then you're, you could be white.

00:05:16.720 You could be a white, cis, but gay man.

00:05:20.540 Right.

00:05:21.060 And then you can be white, cis, lesbian.

00:05:23.980 Yeah.

00:05:24.640 And then it's like the queers, trans, black trans women,

00:05:28.080 black trans women at the top.

00:05:29.360 Right.

00:05:29.680 It's like, we have to praise these people.

00:05:31.260 And it's like, how about we're just all the fucking same?

00:05:33.140 Yeah.

00:05:33.720 Like we're all on the same level.

00:05:34.960 We're all learning about ourselves.

00:05:36.260 We're all different people.

00:05:37.920 Nobody has to hate anybody.

00:05:39.380 Like there has to, they're trying to erase hierarchy.

00:05:42.400 And these system of oppressions

00:05:43.620 by creating another system of oppression,

00:05:45.420 hating white people, hating straight people,

00:05:47.200 hating men.

00:05:48.460 It doesn't make any sense.

00:05:50.100 So now you have all these young kids

00:05:51.620 that are cis, straight white men

00:05:53.780 or cis, straight white women

00:05:54.800 that are claiming all these other identities

00:05:57.000 because they don't want to be on the bottom of the pole.

00:06:00.300 Right.

00:06:00.900 They don't want to be hated.

00:06:01.720 So they're like, just kidding.

00:06:02.600 I'm not actually white.

00:06:03.740 I'm Native American, like Elizabeth Warren.

00:06:06.560 Like, I'm just kidding.

00:06:07.580 I'm not, I'm actually non-binary.

00:06:09.080 So I'm like, I get like oppression points.

00:06:11.040 Now I'm up here.

00:06:12.400 This is what happens.

00:06:14.020 You created a new system of hierarchy.

00:06:16.520 Stupid.

00:06:17.980 Yeah.

00:06:18.140 They created what they were trying to erase.

00:06:21.920 It's a really good point.

00:06:23.560 What does queer mean, Ariel?

00:06:24.900 I don't even know.

00:06:25.960 I literally, I'm gay

00:06:27.100 and I don't even know what the word queer means anymore.

00:06:28.660 Because, I think, I think, you know, go ahead.

00:06:30.320 No, no, because queer came around in the 50s

00:06:34.020 and there was a type of,

00:06:35.220 and there was a genre of theater

00:06:36.540 and literature called queer theater, queer literature,

00:06:38.580 which was normally gay men and some gay women

00:06:41.460 talking about their experiences of what it was like

00:06:44.140 to live in that time where your identity

00:06:47.160 and your sexual identity was illegal.

00:06:49.940 Yeah.

00:06:51.000 And that's what a lot of that literature was about.

00:06:53.500 And it's very interesting.

00:06:54.400 And it has real power to it.

00:06:56.920 Yes.

00:06:57.120 But what does queer mean now?

00:06:59.280 I think queer, people use it.

00:07:01.420 What I think it should mean

00:07:02.720 is anyone that's gender dysphoric

00:07:04.980 or anyone that's same-sex attracted.

00:07:07.640 Even though I hate the word.

00:07:09.020 But I would be okay with other people using the word

00:07:10.840 for that purpose.

00:07:12.340 What I think it actually means now,

00:07:13.940 the way people use it,

00:07:14.640 is anything other than cis straight white man

00:07:16.700 or cis straight white woman.

00:07:19.700 Like, you color your hair, you're queer.

00:07:22.360 Like, you have a nose ring

00:07:23.560 and, like, a septum piercing

00:07:25.380 and, like, a little bit different haircut.

00:07:27.500 You cut your hair on the side, you're queer.

00:07:29.200 Even though you're, like, only, like,

00:07:30.820 or a woman that sleeps with, like, men.

00:07:32.840 You know, I think to some people who are coming to this-

00:07:35.100 Everyone wants to be in this, you know.

00:07:36.800 I know exactly what I mean.

00:07:38.060 And I think to some people coming to this whole thing

00:07:40.100 for, like, the first time

00:07:41.560 or who are, like, not on the internet, let's say.

00:07:44.200 They think that we're crazy, right?

00:07:45.260 Like, oh, you're over-exaggerating.

00:07:46.660 It's, like, actually-

00:07:47.660 And I sometimes think that we are over-exaggerating.

00:07:50.920 But we did a live show here in London.

00:07:54.220 And one of the bar stuff, who was very nice.

00:07:57.320 She was, she was, I say she, she, she identified.

00:08:00.420 We don't know what her identity is.

00:08:01.600 Fuck me.

00:08:02.380 This is difficult.

00:08:03.920 This person I'm talking about was-

00:08:06.740 Non-binary.

00:08:07.600 Non-binary.

00:08:07.860 And when one of our team talked to her,

00:08:11.660 just as a friendly chat,

00:08:13.460 she basically went,

00:08:15.160 you know, I thought you guys were, like,

00:08:16.460 these evil bigots, whatever.

00:08:17.760 Then I watched the show and you're cool.

00:08:19.660 And also she said,

00:08:21.900 she.

00:08:23.140 Well, some non-binary people go by-

00:08:25.000 It's a girl!

00:08:25.500 Go by she pronouns.

00:08:26.680 It's a girl.

00:08:27.420 I'm sorry, it was a girl.

00:08:27.880 So there's no fucking purpose of these pronouns anymore.

00:08:29.400 It was a girl, but-

00:08:30.420 Like Blair said, like,

00:08:31.320 they trade them, like, Pokemon cards, pronouns.

00:08:33.200 You have one, I have one, this one, I have one.

00:08:34.840 I swear to God, this is so fucking different.

00:08:36.640 It's so stupid.

00:08:37.400 Right.

00:08:37.920 Anyway, so this was someone who was born female,

00:08:40.660 identified as non-binary.

00:08:41.880 Right.

00:08:42.180 And what she said was,

00:08:43.160 look, I've grown up in a society

00:08:45.540 where women are quote-unquote

00:08:48.940 disadvantaged and oppressed, right?

00:08:50.960 Yep.

00:08:51.500 And this is a way for me

00:08:52.900 to opt out of this category.

00:08:56.960 But that's not true.

00:08:58.480 Because you go to the Middle East,

00:08:59.960 you can't opt out of being female.

00:09:02.000 But in this society, she can, right?

00:09:04.500 Which is the actual privilege, isn't it?

00:09:07.400 Isn't that so stupid?

00:09:08.980 And they claim everyone else has privilege.

00:09:10.560 Bitch, go to the Middle East,

00:09:12.000 they'll throw you off the building for being gay.

00:09:14.360 Like, it's insanity.

00:09:16.040 It's definitely getting demonetized, mate.

00:09:17.700 You think so?

00:09:18.620 Yeah, I think so.

00:09:19.860 I think that last little comment-

00:09:22.240 Just bleep it out.

00:09:22.920 There's nothing we don't say on the show, by the way.

00:09:24.860 No, no, fuck it.

00:09:25.160 We don't give a shit if it's demonetized.

00:09:27.560 We just find it funny.

00:09:28.600 We just laugh at YouTube's rules about this

00:09:30.640 because we're trying to have an honest conversation

00:09:32.520 and you can't.

00:09:33.480 But that's what we're trying to do.

00:09:36.620 But I guess where I'm going with it is like,

00:09:38.640 I think you're right about the totem pole

00:09:42.540 of different levels.

00:09:43.420 Like, people just want to be in a different place

00:09:45.420 on that pole.

00:09:46.140 Yes.

00:09:46.800 You know?

00:09:48.240 And I think it seems that when you talk-

00:09:51.280 Like, it sounds like something people who are bigots

00:09:54.280 would make up about people

00:09:55.500 who are just identifying as a different gender.

00:09:57.520 But they're actually doing it.

00:09:58.520 It's not made up.

00:09:59.580 Like, we're not making this up.

00:10:00.680 Right.

00:10:00.960 No.

00:10:01.200 This is an actual thing that's happening.

00:10:03.100 Like, everywhere.

00:10:04.580 That's first world countries.

00:10:05.940 Yeah.

00:10:06.520 Yeah.

00:10:06.920 But you know the thing that actually makes-

00:10:10.200 crystallizes what we're talking about

00:10:11.920 are the flags.

00:10:12.980 Have you seen the flags?

00:10:14.500 This is beautiful.

00:10:15.180 Like, the 80 different-

00:10:16.340 Like, I don't even-

00:10:17.160 I'm gay.

00:10:18.020 And I can't even-

00:10:19.340 I think I know about six of them.

00:10:20.840 Do you know what the straight flag is?

00:10:22.660 No.

00:10:23.280 It's beige.

00:10:24.700 Beige.

00:10:26.320 There's a straight flag now.

00:10:27.520 And it's beige.

00:10:28.200 It's beige.

00:10:28.680 And I'm sure you guys get shit for that.

00:10:30.340 Probably.

00:10:30.820 Like, if you had it hanging on your head.

00:10:31.900 We don't have one in there.

00:10:33.100 We don't have one framed.

00:10:34.180 But if you did, you would get shit for it.

00:10:36.460 Yeah.

00:10:37.000 Yeah.

00:10:37.760 Which is stupid.

00:10:37.920 Because that would be straight pride, wouldn't it?

00:10:39.460 Right.

00:10:39.940 Right.

00:10:40.140 And straight pride is bad.

00:10:40.940 You can't be straight anymore.

00:10:41.500 You can't be pride.

00:10:42.440 Yeah.

00:10:43.100 But it's so interesting.

00:10:44.740 To me, that is the most beautiful troll

00:10:47.000 I've ever seen in my life.

00:10:48.360 Yeah.

00:10:48.540 You get a flag, but it's beige

00:10:49.860 because you're fucking boring.

00:10:52.260 That's true.

00:10:53.260 That's exactly what it is.

00:10:54.240 Yeah.

00:10:54.440 So is this what you talk about now

00:10:56.600 on the YouTube channel?

00:10:58.420 I talk about, I mean, I dove into politics

00:11:00.980 for a little bit, but like that gets me demonetized.

00:11:03.720 Yeah.

00:11:03.840 It's also very, very difficult to talk about, right?

00:11:06.300 Because like nobody really knows

00:11:08.120 who's lying in politics.

00:11:09.640 Like everybody lies.

00:11:10.760 It's politics.

00:11:11.220 So I try to stick to more culture-based stuff.

00:11:14.640 Yeah.

00:11:15.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:15.500 And it just happens right now.

00:11:17.160 People can call me transphobic for it,

00:11:18.700 but like this is a women's rights issue

00:11:21.420 and I've always been an actual,

00:11:23.200 like a traditional feminist.

00:11:24.460 Not like these crazy ones, right?

00:11:26.480 But traditional feminists,

00:11:28.000 like men and women should be treated

00:11:29.820 for the most part in general as equals.

00:11:33.260 Traditional feminist kind of stuff.

00:11:34.540 My body, my choice.

00:11:35.440 I am pro-choice.

00:11:36.260 I'm always going to be pro-choice.

00:11:37.140 Not that I think killing babies is good.

00:11:39.040 It's a lot of, like I said,

00:11:39.820 it's a big conversation,

00:11:40.660 but that's more of where I'm going now.

00:11:44.200 It's not much about politics

00:11:45.900 unless there's like a gay rights issue

00:11:48.140 in politics at the moment,

00:11:49.520 then I'll talk about it.

00:11:50.280 Right now it's a lot about women's rights

00:11:52.060 because you have Leah Thomas

00:11:54.100 looking like a straight up dude.

00:11:57.160 Like I believe,

00:11:57.780 I do believe that person is a trans woman, probably.

00:12:00.560 I mean, she does seem like an actual trans person,

00:12:02.920 but it doesn't mean that it's fair, right?

00:12:06.280 You can be,

00:12:08.020 there can be two things,

00:12:09.060 two things can be true at once.

00:12:11.160 Right.

00:12:11.400 Somebody can be trans,

00:12:12.400 but it doesn't mean they're entitled to compete with women.

00:12:14.300 Right.

00:12:14.600 Two things can be true at once.

00:12:15.600 Exactly.

00:12:16.540 But the left can't see it that way.

00:12:18.680 It's a black, very black and white,

00:12:20.380 which is kind of weird, right?

00:12:21.540 Because they're not,

00:12:22.440 they're like anti-racist.

00:12:24.220 They don't see color.

00:12:25.260 It's like,

00:12:26.260 I don't know.

00:12:27.360 It's a really good point.

00:12:29.400 It's bad.

00:12:29.940 Particularly with Leah Thomas.

00:12:31.680 You know,

00:12:31.940 we have a lot of people on to discuss this particular issue.

00:12:35.320 Yeah.

00:12:35.680 And this is a question that I ask of a few of our guests.

00:12:39.740 The first people to really start talking about this

00:12:42.520 were gay women.

00:12:43.700 I remember a friend of mine,

00:12:45.240 who she was talking about this kind of stuff in 2014.

00:12:49.200 In 20.

00:12:49.700 Wow.

00:12:50.160 That's,

00:12:50.920 yeah.

00:12:51.180 Because she goes to all female sex clubs

00:12:54.500 and she would go there and participate.

00:12:57.660 I sound so old.

00:12:59.060 Participate.

00:12:59.520 Old and boring.

00:13:00.420 Old and boring.

00:13:01.580 Beige.

00:13:02.080 Beige.

00:13:02.740 You know,

00:13:03.300 my little flag outside,

00:13:04.800 down with this sort of thing.

00:13:06.040 No.

00:13:06.660 That's funny.

00:13:07.440 That is a troll thing.

00:13:08.220 Beige flag.

00:13:08.960 I can't.

00:13:09.720 And so she would be there

00:13:11.060 and there would be,

00:13:12.620 basically a dude would walk in wearing a dress.

00:13:15.280 Yeah.

00:13:15.580 And they'd be like,

00:13:16.280 you're a dude in a dress.

00:13:17.980 Which is not a trans woman, by the way.

00:13:19.760 Right.

00:13:19.960 And he'd be like,

00:13:20.740 well, I identify as female.

00:13:22.140 And this was like 2014, 2015.

00:13:23.940 Wow.

00:13:24.280 That didn't happen in New York back then.

00:13:25.900 There was one person,

00:13:27.920 but I think her name was Joanne.

00:13:30.980 And she was,

00:13:31.700 she wasn't,

00:13:32.340 I don't think she was a cross,

00:13:33.600 I don't think she was trans.

00:13:34.520 I think she was a cross dresser.

00:13:35.620 Yeah.

00:13:36.160 But she never made us feel uncomfortable.

00:13:38.220 Yeah.

00:13:38.420 Never.

00:13:39.120 And we accepted her.

00:13:40.120 We were like,

00:13:40.480 this was like 2014, 2015.

00:13:41.960 Like she came to the gay club,

00:13:43.480 the lesbian club,

00:13:44.400 never hit on anybody.

00:13:45.700 Yeah.

00:13:45.880 Because she's not a trans woman.

00:13:47.440 She's just a dude that likes wearing dresses.

00:13:49.500 Fine.

00:13:49.960 Yeah.

00:13:50.440 We didn't care,

00:13:51.000 but that's the difference, right?

00:13:52.380 Yeah.

00:13:52.660 Like feeling entitled to a space

00:13:54.420 versus knowing that you're a guest in the space.

00:13:58.880 I know that sounds like a very woke thing to say,

00:14:01.060 but it's true in some cases, right?

00:14:02.920 They can't just like walk into like a man,

00:14:05.760 like a men's bath house as a woman.

00:14:07.500 Like that's weird.

00:14:09.520 Like you can,

00:14:09.960 it's like that's a men's space.

00:14:11.440 Right.

00:14:12.520 She didn't do that.

00:14:13.720 So we didn't care if she was trans

00:14:15.600 or just a simple cross dresser.

00:14:17.980 She just hung out

00:14:18.860 and just act like any of the other girls,

00:14:20.400 never hit on us,

00:14:21.180 never like made us feel uncomfortable.

00:14:22.680 That's the difference.

00:14:23.840 But you're a dude in a dress

00:14:24.860 and then you're like hitting on girls

00:14:26.280 and like being,

00:14:26.960 if that's,

00:14:27.500 I'm assuming that's probably what was happening.

00:14:29.680 That's disrespectful.

00:14:30.720 Yeah.

00:14:31.100 Like you're clearly a dude in a dress

00:14:32.640 or a cross dresser,

00:14:34.020 whatever you want to call it.

00:14:35.120 And you're impeding on women's spaces.

00:14:37.240 So one place we have,

00:14:38.240 there's like five lesbian bars left in the United States.

00:14:40.560 You really have to come to our bar?

00:14:41.980 Like go away.

00:14:43.920 But I think that's kind of the point, isn't it?

00:14:46.180 Because we've all got-

00:14:47.220 Which is a very male thing to do, by the way.

00:14:49.360 No, no offense.

00:14:50.480 No.

00:14:51.000 No, no.

00:14:51.840 It is.

00:14:52.240 None taken.

00:14:52.800 Yeah.

00:14:53.280 See, this is why I kind of miss the old days of comedy

00:14:56.000 because in some ways,

00:14:57.140 like we being comedians,

00:14:58.660 you could take the piss out of men and women.

00:15:01.360 And that was,

00:15:01.900 and you just treat like men are different to women.

00:15:04.680 Men are stupid in many ways.

00:15:06.900 Women do things in ways-

00:15:08.460 And women are sneaky in many ways.

00:15:09.500 Right.

00:15:09.820 Yeah.

00:15:10.220 We're just different.

00:15:11.640 Yeah.

00:15:11.940 And like,

00:15:12.440 but now you can't really address that

00:15:15.700 without becoming some kind of evil-

00:15:17.900 Yeah, because gender is made up.

00:15:19.100 Right.

00:15:20.260 But I think one of the points you hit on

00:15:22.360 actually is really important,

00:15:23.420 which is the sort of like every group now,

00:15:26.160 we don't,

00:15:27.160 we're not trying to like make people's lives easier

00:15:30.400 or like just,

00:15:31.560 just like go,

00:15:32.920 oh, this person is a bit different.

00:15:34.280 Let's include them if we can.

00:15:35.840 It's more like,

00:15:36.680 this is my fucking right.

00:15:38.580 I deserve to be here.

00:15:40.080 Right.

00:15:40.900 And that's not how gay people-

00:15:42.080 And everything is like that.

00:15:42.820 That's not how gay people won their rights,

00:15:44.100 by the way.

00:15:44.940 Like it's different at Stonewall.

00:15:46.440 Yes.

00:15:46.740 Stonewall,

00:15:47.180 they acted like that

00:15:47.780 because they were getting beaten up.

00:15:48.840 Yeah.

00:15:49.040 Yeah.

00:15:49.400 That's a different scenario.

00:15:50.440 Yeah.

00:15:51.180 But gay people were like,

00:15:52.400 we're just like you.

00:15:53.440 We just want something a little different,

00:15:54.900 but we want to interact with society

00:15:56.380 and be a part of society like everyone else.

00:15:58.760 That's not what this new movement's about.

00:16:00.080 It's the opposite.

00:16:01.120 It's literally the opposite,

00:16:02.080 like what you're saying.

00:16:03.440 You have to conform to what we think about ourselves

00:16:06.160 is the opposite of what gay people did,

00:16:08.940 which is we're going to conform to you.

00:16:10.660 We're just a little different.

00:16:12.820 And it's so-

00:16:13.540 That's why the-

00:16:14.340 Go ahead.

00:16:14.640 No, no, no.

00:16:15.080 Go ahead.

00:16:15.440 Finish this.

00:16:15.520 No, I was going to say,

00:16:16.080 I think that's why trans rights is the-

00:16:18.940 Not actual trans people,

00:16:20.260 by the way,

00:16:20.580 I don't think.

00:16:20.980 This is just like these non-binary queer people.

00:16:23.040 That's why it's reversing our rights.

00:16:25.120 That's why a lot of these issues are going backwards.

00:16:29.240 How so?

00:16:30.900 A lot of it.

00:16:31.880 Just like the trans rights specifically,

00:16:33.920 I would say.

00:16:34.800 Well, how are your-

00:16:35.820 How is it going backwards?

00:16:36.340 I don't disagree with you,

00:16:37.300 but just give us some flesh.

00:16:38.060 Well, maybe not the rights necessarily.

00:16:39.820 I would say the acceptance of us.

00:16:42.360 Well, there's data to show that.

00:16:43.860 Yes, yes, yes.

00:16:44.900 There's data to show that.

00:16:45.660 So people are becoming-

00:16:46.620 We're less and less accepting of LGBT people

00:16:48.960 over the last five years.

00:16:50.280 Yeah.

00:16:50.720 Because of people like that.

00:16:51.640 Like, you have to see me as I see myself.

00:16:53.740 That's not what self-ID is.

00:16:55.460 Self-ID means self-ID.

00:16:58.600 If you want to be accepted into society,

00:17:00.320 unfortunately, this is just how it is.

00:17:02.540 It's not fair, maybe,

00:17:04.080 but it's just how the world is.

00:17:05.220 Like, you want to be accepted as a man,

00:17:06.300 you have to kind of look like a dude.

00:17:07.540 Like, it's that simple.

00:17:09.660 Does everyone get the opportunity

00:17:11.660 to look like a dude?

00:17:12.520 No, because some people are,

00:17:14.000 unfortunately,

00:17:14.580 aren't going to be able to pass.

00:17:16.060 But like, make an effort,

00:17:17.100 and I guarantee most people will accept you.

00:17:19.520 It's these people that are entitled,

00:17:20.820 like you said.

00:17:22.440 But we all are.

00:17:23.380 We all are entitled.

00:17:24.020 We're annoyed.

00:17:24.640 We're annoyed.

00:17:25.020 Like, all groups now.

00:17:26.040 Like, we're all,

00:17:26.800 this is the problem is,

00:17:27.960 all of us have been like told,

00:17:29.460 you are this group.

00:17:30.760 Like, I'm supposed to go,

00:17:32.340 well, I'm a first generation immigrant,

00:17:34.060 and I, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:35.380 Right.

00:17:36.080 What?

00:17:36.800 For what?

00:17:37.200 What's the purpose?

00:17:37.800 Exactly.

00:17:38.520 Like, why do I need to identify

00:17:40.360 as part of this group,

00:17:41.860 and then pursue our group rights together?

00:17:43.880 Like, why can't I just be, like, a person?

00:17:47.040 Because I think divide,

00:17:48.120 do you think it's the divide and conquer technique?

00:17:49.660 Right.

00:17:50.060 Do you think that's what it is?

00:17:50.920 I think that's part of it.

00:17:52.240 And I think it's also,

00:17:53.340 I think it's also that hierarchy thing, again.

00:17:55.680 It's like, they don't want white people.

00:17:57.600 Like, they're racists, literally.

00:17:59.340 They hate white people.

00:18:00.560 They hate men.

00:18:01.480 They hate white men, specifically.

00:18:05.080 So.

00:18:05.320 Sorry, mate.

00:18:05.920 Yeah.

00:18:06.260 No, but it's true.

00:18:07.700 It's true.

00:18:08.520 Like, they, it's,

00:18:09.540 and it's funny because, like,

00:18:10.540 I've never had an issue with white men.

00:18:12.500 Like, white men, for the most part,

00:18:14.900 are usually, like,

00:18:16.380 well, I was going to say white people,

00:18:17.520 for the most part,

00:18:18.520 are usually the most accepting of LGBT people.

00:18:20.760 I don't know if you guys know that.

00:18:21.940 But if you go to, like, Puerto Rico,

00:18:23.460 Dominican Republic, Mexico,

00:18:25.180 they're not as, like, LGBT friendly there.

00:18:26.920 I'm just saying, black people,

00:18:28.480 very Christian, very Catholic.

00:18:29.740 You got to remember.

00:18:30.340 It's a thing.

00:18:31.500 So, I don't know why people in the gay community

00:18:33.920 are hating white people so much.

00:18:35.680 Like, on paper,

00:18:36.640 they are the most accepting of LGBT people.

00:18:38.340 LGBT people.

00:18:39.120 I think it's,

00:18:40.080 maybe within the U.S.,

00:18:41.880 if you look at...

00:18:42.620 Within the U.S.

00:18:43.300 Right.

00:18:43.660 It's, if you look elsewhere,

00:18:45.060 so you gave the example of,

00:18:46.560 I mean, Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.,

00:18:48.120 isn't it?

00:18:48.380 Technically.

00:18:48.820 Right.

00:18:50.420 Yeah, it's like a territory.

00:18:52.480 Yeah.

00:18:52.780 But, like, for example,

00:18:53.960 where I come from, Russia, Ukraine,

00:18:56.180 these aren't places that are great

00:18:57.620 on LGBT rights.

00:18:58.760 Right, right.

00:18:59.440 I'm talking about the States.

00:19:00.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:00.780 White people in the States.

00:19:01.420 So, yeah.

00:19:02.700 I hear what you're saying.

00:19:03.960 Right, right.

00:19:04.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:05.520 That's what I mean.

00:19:05.880 But is there a thing in...

00:19:06.880 Because this is most,

00:19:07.320 this queer movement's mostly in the States,

00:19:09.060 right?

00:19:09.340 Right.

00:19:09.580 And here, and here.

00:19:10.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:10.700 Like, Canada.

00:19:11.200 And are you saying that in America,

00:19:14.720 in the LGBT community,

00:19:17.500 if there's such a thing,

00:19:19.120 people are sort of,

00:19:20.480 like, they've embraced this idea

00:19:21.920 that white people are sort of...

00:19:23.420 Evil.

00:19:24.400 Like, 100%.

00:19:25.280 They hate them.

00:19:27.100 And it's sad because, like,

00:19:28.300 Marcus and I will be walking in the street

00:19:29.860 and, like, he'll get looks even.

00:19:32.280 Because he's like, he gets...

00:19:33.660 My friend Marcus is behind the camera.

00:19:35.160 Right.

00:19:35.440 He's a trans guy.

00:19:36.720 He gets shit because he's cis passing

00:19:38.900 as a trans person.

00:19:40.720 Like, that's the point as a trans person.

00:19:42.360 You want to pass as the gender that you feel.

00:19:45.620 Quite.

00:19:46.320 And that they give him shit for it.

00:19:47.960 Because they're not trans.

00:19:48.980 They don't care about actual passing.

00:19:50.780 So, it's just this whole movement

00:19:52.460 is everyone speaking above everybody else.

00:19:55.760 And feeling entitled to that space,

00:19:58.140 to speak from that space,

00:19:59.360 when they're not actually a part of that space.

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00:22:07.840 Do you know what really worries me

00:22:09.460 is that there are things

00:22:11.520 that we have in place

00:22:12.720 in our society,

00:22:14.100 like women's spaces.

00:22:16.660 Everybody understands

00:22:17.980 why there's women's spaces.

00:22:19.480 We all get it.

00:22:20.680 We all get it.

00:22:21.300 Particularly as a man,

00:22:22.380 you understand.

00:22:23.880 You know what?

00:22:24.420 There's a point I want to make real quick

00:22:25.600 because I'm going to make it.

00:22:27.740 When you were a kid,

00:22:28.660 I don't know if you do this in the UK,

00:22:29.640 but we do this in the United States.

00:22:30.960 When you were a little boy

00:22:32.020 and you were only with your mom

00:22:33.760 or your aunt

00:22:34.740 and you had to go to the bathroom,

00:22:36.220 which bathroom did they take you in?

00:22:37.880 They took me,

00:22:39.560 I can't remember actually.

00:22:41.260 Okay.

00:22:42.080 99% of the time,

00:22:43.140 they'll take you to the women's bathroom with them.

00:22:44.240 Yeah.

00:22:44.760 Why is that?

00:22:47.400 Why is that?

00:22:48.180 They don't want a little boy

00:22:49.100 going in the men's room?

00:22:50.120 That's kind of weird, right?

00:22:51.040 Oh, it makes sense though.

00:22:52.200 Yeah.

00:22:52.580 Because males are more likely to be predators

00:22:54.280 than sexual predators.

00:22:55.180 Yeah.

00:22:56.380 That's why we need women's spaces.

00:22:57.800 So little boys know this at a very young age.

00:23:00.380 And the argument that I always use-

00:23:01.400 And also as a little boy in a women's space,

00:23:03.420 you're not a threat

00:23:04.080 because you're a little boy.

00:23:04.960 Because you're a little boy.

00:23:06.060 Right.

00:23:06.640 Yeah.

00:23:07.300 And the argument that I always use

00:23:08.560 when people go,

00:23:09.280 oh, but you know,

00:23:09.980 we should have unisex bathrooms

00:23:11.520 is a nightclub argument.

00:23:13.180 And you will know this better than anyone.

00:23:14.960 At the gay club,

00:23:15.740 everyone just uses the same.

00:23:16.700 Yeah.

00:23:17.140 Nobody cares.

00:23:18.280 It's not my favorite thing

00:23:19.260 because the gay dude's fucking the stalls

00:23:21.040 and I'm like,

00:23:21.400 all right, well, it's like...

00:23:22.220 But, you know.

00:23:23.620 I mean, that took a detail.

00:23:24.800 But that's true.

00:23:26.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:26.500 You're giving us an entry into...

00:23:28.520 No, no, it's brilliant.

00:23:29.460 Into a world with which we have

00:23:30.860 no familiarity at all.

00:23:32.780 But in a straight nightclub,

00:23:35.180 let's just call it that,

00:23:36.000 or a mainstream nightclub,

00:23:37.080 if a dude's harassing you

00:23:38.320 and you make it quite clear to him

00:23:40.440 that you're not interested

00:23:41.380 for whatever reason

00:23:42.380 and he continues to hit on you,

00:23:44.460 which unfortunately

00:23:45.120 is just the reality of life,

00:23:46.820 where do you go that's safe?

00:23:48.700 In a women's space.

00:23:49.900 Yeah.

00:23:50.320 Yeah.

00:23:50.980 And then the girl that's drunk is like,

00:23:52.920 babe, are you okay?

00:23:54.980 Like,

00:23:55.580 and then you're like,

00:23:56.580 not mad about that she's drunk

00:23:57.660 and helping you.

00:23:58.260 It's like, okay,

00:23:58.800 thank you.

00:23:59.660 Yeah.

00:23:59.880 But once we obliterate that...

00:24:03.880 Yeah.

00:24:04.780 There's a reason for women's spaces.

00:24:06.600 Like, there is.

00:24:07.780 And it's a safe...

00:24:08.960 It's 99% of the time

00:24:10.220 it's a safety issue thing.

00:24:11.460 Yeah.

00:24:12.300 I know people will be pissed off

00:24:14.360 at me asking this question,

00:24:15.380 but I'm going to ask it anyway.

00:24:16.640 Do you think...

00:24:16.920 I love it then.

00:24:17.480 Go.

00:24:17.920 Part of how we got here

00:24:20.000 is there were sort of

00:24:22.180 parts of feminism,

00:24:23.120 not all...

00:24:23.460 Like you said,

00:24:23.920 there's different ways

00:24:24.680 of doing feminism

00:24:25.420 and some of them I think

00:24:26.240 are really important

00:24:27.160 and I agree with completely.

00:24:28.560 But there was also

00:24:29.900 a part of feminism

00:24:30.780 which sort of sought

00:24:31.800 to pretend that there are

00:24:33.040 no differences

00:24:33.500 between men and women.

00:24:34.480 Yes.

00:24:34.980 And then you end up

00:24:36.120 in this position, right?

00:24:37.100 Yes.

00:24:37.320 You're going,

00:24:37.900 well, there's no difference

00:24:38.840 between women and women.

00:24:39.540 Why do you need women's spaces?

00:24:40.560 We're all the same.

00:24:41.520 Right.

00:24:42.040 But we're not the same.

00:24:43.740 No.

00:24:44.440 Not at all.

00:24:45.360 A true feminist isn't going to say

00:24:46.700 just because you want to be treated

00:24:48.280 as an equal

00:24:48.720 doesn't mean you're the same.

00:24:49.700 Equal and the same

00:24:50.380 don't mean the same thing.

00:24:51.240 Right.

00:24:52.700 Like you can have

00:24:53.540 a math equation

00:24:54.400 and it's equal

00:24:55.180 but it's not the same.

00:24:56.480 Yeah.

00:24:56.880 You know what I mean?

00:24:57.500 Yeah, of course.

00:24:58.020 They don't mean the same thing.

00:24:59.660 Yeah.

00:25:00.200 You treat me as an equal

00:25:01.560 but that doesn't mean

00:25:02.740 like respect me as the same, right?

00:25:04.620 Yeah.

00:25:04.840 Pay me the same

00:25:05.580 but that doesn't mean

00:25:06.220 Don't discriminate against me

00:25:06.940 in employment.

00:25:07.500 Right, but that doesn't mean

00:25:08.240 we're the same.

00:25:09.060 Yeah.

00:25:09.500 Right, there's a big difference.

00:25:10.360 People misconstrue those two words.

00:25:13.400 So where do you think

00:25:14.100 this is all going?

00:25:15.000 I don't know.

00:25:17.180 Honestly, I think

00:25:18.020 that it's coming to an end.

00:25:19.800 Really?

00:25:20.300 You do?

00:25:20.840 I really do.

00:25:21.520 I think within the next five years

00:25:22.700 we're going to see it come to an end.

00:25:24.120 I think the new generation

00:25:25.360 like Gen Z was like

00:25:26.480 forget it,

00:25:27.620 off the rails.

00:25:28.620 I think

00:25:28.960 I'm a millennial.

00:25:29.880 We're millennials.

00:25:30.500 Yeah.

00:25:30.600 I think we

00:25:31.640 I love the way we embrace that.

00:25:33.380 We are millennials.

00:25:33.900 Because we're right on the cusp.

00:25:34.940 We're clinging desperately

00:25:36.240 to being millennials.

00:25:36.900 No, you are.

00:25:36.940 No, you're millennials.

00:25:37.760 Yeah.

00:25:37.860 I think

00:25:38.780 I mean, we're biased, of course

00:25:41.480 but I think we make the most sense

00:25:42.840 and I think we were

00:25:44.600 like pro-LGBT,

00:25:46.340 actual LGBT rights

00:25:47.400 and like pro-feminism

00:25:48.840 and now I think it's

00:25:49.960 just gone too far

00:25:51.440 to the other side

00:25:52.520 and it's starting to come back

00:25:53.800 and I think

00:25:55.220 within five years

00:25:56.140 I think it's going to

00:25:56.820 I think this new generation of kids

00:25:58.280 like the younger kids

00:25:59.080 are actually going to be

00:25:59.680 more conservative.

00:26:00.680 Because they're looking at this shit

00:26:01.960 like Leah Thomas in sports

00:26:04.140 and they're looking at this

00:26:05.300 as kids

00:26:05.660 and they're like

00:26:06.060 that doesn't make sense.

00:26:06.800 Like kids know

00:26:07.380 and kids are honest

00:26:08.200 and they don't sugarcoat it.

00:26:10.060 They know that something is wrong.

00:26:11.600 So they're seeing this happen

00:26:12.680 and it doesn't make sense to them.

00:26:13.620 Do you reckon that's happening though?

00:26:14.780 Because if you look at

00:26:15.560 what's being taught

00:26:16.480 to children at school

00:26:17.440 that, well that's

00:26:18.700 that's indoctrination.

00:26:19.980 Quite.

00:26:20.240 If we didn't indoctrinate them

00:26:21.700 I think

00:26:22.160 Right, but we are indoctrinating.

00:26:23.680 But people are fighting

00:26:24.320 against that too in America.

00:26:25.480 They are.

00:26:25.960 So it's

00:26:26.760 like I said

00:26:27.460 they're starting to fight against it

00:26:28.620 so I think it's going to continue

00:26:29.760 I think people are going to

00:26:31.640 continue to fight against it.

00:26:32.560 I hope so.

00:26:33.840 I was not

00:26:34.420 when you're actually LGBT

00:26:35.620 you don't need to be told

00:26:37.540 that you're LGBT.

00:26:39.020 Like you know

00:26:39.640 that you're different.

00:26:40.620 I knew when I was

00:26:41.260 nine years old

00:26:42.420 that I was gay.

00:26:43.340 I didn't know what it meant

00:26:44.060 but I knew like

00:26:44.980 romantically

00:26:46.380 it was a romantic thing

00:26:47.340 like oh I want to hold

00:26:48.000 that woman's hand

00:26:48.720 and I want to like

00:26:49.300 right I want to be the

00:26:50.540 I want

00:26:50.980 I thought I was like

00:26:51.480 oh I want to be the prince

00:26:52.360 and like save the woman

00:26:53.300 the princess

00:26:54.080 blah blah blah.

00:26:55.160 It's not a sexual thing

00:26:56.220 at that age.

00:26:56.720 Now you're teaching kids

00:26:57.480 about sex and stuff?

00:26:59.280 That's not okay.

00:27:00.700 No.

00:27:00.860 But how have we got

00:27:01.800 to this point?

00:27:02.620 How have we got

00:27:03.280 to this point

00:27:03.880 I talked about this

00:27:06.220 no sorry

00:27:06.580 I talked about this

00:27:07.280 with Blair

00:27:07.720 Blair White

00:27:08.320 and

00:27:09.260 We've had Blair

00:27:09.880 on the show as well.

00:27:10.520 Love her.

00:27:11.100 Yeah she's a great person.

00:27:12.320 Like really actually

00:27:12.980 a good person.

00:27:13.980 We talked about this

00:27:14.880 it's an extreme

00:27:15.840 overcorrection.

00:27:18.040 Like did gay people

00:27:19.160 get treated badly?

00:27:20.060 Yes.

00:27:20.440 Did black people

00:27:21.100 get treated badly?

00:27:21.960 Yes.

00:27:22.840 But now it's like

00:27:23.580 it's like overcorrecting

00:27:25.320 like everybody's gay.

00:27:27.820 Right.

00:27:28.100 Everybody

00:27:28.580 microaggressions.

00:27:29.920 Right.

00:27:30.520 It's like

00:27:31.040 it's too much.

00:27:31.800 It's like how about

00:27:32.300 we just meet in the middle

00:27:33.200 and that's where

00:27:33.760 everybody should be

00:27:34.340 right here.

00:27:35.320 But it's people

00:27:36.020 it's society overcorrecting

00:27:38.000 all these mistakes

00:27:38.600 that they've made

00:27:39.200 and that's why

00:27:40.100 we call it woke.

00:27:40.920 It's like all these

00:27:41.480 overcorrections.

00:27:42.380 Like calm down.

00:27:43.800 Not everybody has to be gay.

00:27:45.120 Not everybody's trans

00:27:45.820 just because they act

00:27:46.560 a little different.

00:27:47.640 Right.

00:27:48.640 Not everybody's racist.

00:27:50.840 Calm down.

00:27:52.420 But it also gives people

00:27:53.760 cachet to be the victim

00:27:54.880 and it gets them

00:27:55.480 a really easy

00:27:56.560 get out of free

00:27:57.340 get out of jail free card.

00:27:59.500 So I'll give you an example.

00:28:00.160 So a couple of weeks ago

00:28:01.720 I did a test for ADHD.

00:28:03.000 I've had

00:28:03.300 it came out

00:28:04.520 I've got ADHD.

00:28:06.320 And that means

00:28:06.760 Most people do I think right?

00:28:07.940 Yeah.

00:28:08.280 Yeah it's pretty common yeah.

00:28:09.300 Yeah.

00:28:09.740 And so that means

00:28:10.640 there's been a lot of things

00:28:11.860 in my life

00:28:12.260 that I've really struggled with.

00:28:13.540 Right.

00:28:14.120 And it's very easy

00:28:15.440 for me to then go

00:28:16.260 oh that's the result

00:28:17.140 of this condition

00:28:17.900 therefore I can't do this

00:28:18.980 I can't do that

00:28:19.680 it's everybody else's fault

00:28:21.080 instead of going

00:28:21.960 well how

00:28:22.980 How do I fix it?

00:28:23.820 Yeah.

00:28:23.960 Or how do I help myself?

00:28:25.220 Because that's difficult.

00:28:26.620 It is difficult

00:28:27.240 but it's the way you have

00:28:28.400 what else are you going to do?

00:28:29.360 You can blame everybody else

00:28:31.300 but that's not actually

00:28:32.160 going to help you.

00:28:33.420 No.

00:28:34.160 That's not self-growth.

00:28:35.560 No.

00:28:36.920 But for me

00:28:38.680 what I find worrying

00:28:39.600 about this ideology

00:28:40.500 is that it encourages you

00:28:42.720 to see yourself

00:28:43.360 as helpless.

00:28:43.720 As a victim.

00:28:45.380 And you know why

00:28:46.000 that's popular right now?

00:28:47.360 You know why the government

00:28:48.100 is condoning that

00:28:49.980 or like even prioritizing that?

00:28:51.700 Because that means

00:28:52.280 they're going to ask

00:28:52.820 the government for help.

00:28:53.800 And then the government

00:28:54.480 has more power.

00:28:55.420 More control.

00:28:57.180 Let's take a communism.

00:28:57.920 It's literally

00:28:59.100 how communism happens.

00:29:00.480 I need help.

00:29:00.940 I need help.

00:29:01.280 I don't have anything.

00:29:01.820 I can't do anything.

00:29:02.620 The only answer

00:29:03.580 is the government

00:29:04.040 helping me.

00:29:05.120 Which is interesting

00:29:05.740 that it would be happening

00:29:06.520 in a country like America

00:29:07.660 because you're

00:29:08.580 Very anti-communist

00:29:10.240 as a nation.

00:29:10.860 It's not even about

00:29:11.400 anti-communist.

00:29:12.860 It's the very foundation

00:29:14.720 of your society

00:29:15.740 is based on

00:29:16.740 the very opposite

00:29:17.620 in terms of

00:29:18.500 what you actually

00:29:19.440 it's not that you

00:29:20.420 are anti-communism

00:29:21.820 it's that the beliefs

00:29:22.720 that you used to

00:29:24.020 inculcate

00:29:24.620 in your society

00:29:25.840 were the antithesis

00:29:27.140 of communism

00:29:27.700 they were about

00:29:28.340 self-reliance

00:29:29.160 independence

00:29:29.900 go get it

00:29:31.440 make it happen

00:29:32.480 be free

00:29:33.440 make your own mistakes

00:29:34.640 by the way

00:29:35.180 The American dream

00:29:35.880 right?

00:29:36.440 You can make it

00:29:36.980 whatever you dream

00:29:38.040 you can do it

00:29:38.520 if you work hard enough

00:29:39.120 now it's the opposite

00:29:40.540 You've got a generation

00:29:41.380 of people

00:29:41.760 who are being trained

00:29:42.700 to think very differently

00:29:44.260 to that

00:29:44.700 so it's kind of

00:29:46.060 very anti-American

00:29:46.900 It is anti-American

00:29:48.060 it's sad

00:29:48.840 like we have kids

00:29:49.760 nowadays

00:29:50.120 like one of my

00:29:52.080 goddaughters

00:29:52.560 my best friend's daughter

00:29:53.660 came home

00:29:54.200 she was 12 at the time

00:29:55.680 I think

00:29:55.960 or 13

00:29:56.400 maybe two years ago

00:29:57.200 whatever it was

00:29:57.700 she came home

00:29:58.620 and my best friend

00:29:59.580 Italian girl

00:30:00.520 only dates Hispanic dudes

00:30:01.800 she doesn't like black dudes

00:30:03.380 she doesn't like white dudes

00:30:04.340 like only

00:30:04.980 like brown people

00:30:06.020 she loves brown guys

00:30:07.040 and

00:30:08.540 the kid comes home one day

00:30:10.760 and calls us white supremacists

00:30:12.120 and all these things

00:30:12.860 and I'm like

00:30:13.160 what is this kid

00:30:14.060 learning in school

00:30:14.920 like clearly

00:30:15.440 they're teaching them something

00:30:16.480 and it's like

00:30:17.540 I don't want to say the name

00:30:18.940 I was like

00:30:19.260 how are you going to

00:30:20.020 tell your mom

00:30:20.600 she's a white supremacist

00:30:21.200 she only dates brown guys

00:30:22.720 your father's a brown guy

00:30:25.680 I treat you the same

00:30:26.800 as I would treat anybody else

00:30:27.920 and I knew you were brown

00:30:29.260 she's El Salvadorian

00:30:30.980 since you were a little

00:30:31.540 like

00:30:31.780 you don't

00:30:32.740 you pass as brown

00:30:33.800 like you don't look white at all

00:30:34.700 you don't look half white

00:30:35.340 you look brown

00:30:35.980 and nobody treats you

00:30:38.140 any differently

00:30:38.560 but we're white supremacists

00:30:40.160 so they're clearly teaching

00:30:41.580 these kids something

00:30:42.240 like you said

00:30:42.680 why are you a white supremacist

00:30:44.180 I think we were talking

00:30:45.320 about Trump

00:30:45.720 or something

00:30:46.240 I don't remember

00:30:46.800 because I think it was

00:30:47.280 two years ago

00:30:47.780 we were talking about the election

00:30:48.840 you're a white supremacist

00:30:51.060 and blah blah blah

00:30:51.660 and I'm like

00:30:52.240 you need to stop

00:30:53.220 because you don't know

00:30:54.180 what the hell

00:30:54.420 you're talking about

00:30:54.920 and I like

00:30:57.000 most of the time

00:30:58.000 most of the girls

00:30:58.700 I date are Hispanic

00:30:59.520 so like am I

00:31:00.840 like a brown supremacist

00:31:02.200 like

00:31:02.380 I just

00:31:03.720 we throw these labels around

00:31:06.240 I know

00:31:06.500 and we forget how

00:31:07.680 what an awful thing

00:31:09.400 that is to be

00:31:10.340 right

00:31:10.800 an actual racist

00:31:12.040 that's an awful thing

00:31:12.860 exactly

00:31:12.940 there's a guy called

00:31:14.980 this black guy

00:31:16.400 that I follow on Twitter

00:31:17.520 do you know him

00:31:17.980 Zeke

00:31:18.280 the black cop

00:31:19.140 I love him

00:31:20.060 he's great

00:31:20.520 and he talks about it

00:31:21.720 he talked about it

00:31:22.280 in one of my videos

00:31:22.840 and he said

00:31:23.320 listen my granddad

00:31:24.200 actually experienced

00:31:25.040 depression

00:31:25.400 I actually experienced

00:31:26.140 racism

00:31:26.540 in like 1930s and 40s

00:31:27.780 whatever it was

00:31:28.120 and he's like

00:31:29.880 he told me

00:31:30.700 this is what he said

00:31:31.380 to me on the camera

00:31:31.900 he was like

00:31:32.220 he told me

00:31:32.800 do not overuse

00:31:33.960 that word racist

00:31:34.640 because it diminishes

00:31:36.040 what actual people

00:31:37.300 like my grandfather

00:31:38.040 like what he experienced

00:31:40.120 he's like

00:31:41.160 I never use that word

00:31:42.160 he's like

00:31:42.680 it's very

00:31:43.160 and he calls people out

00:31:44.280 on Twitter all the time

00:31:44.980 he's like

00:31:45.340 don't you know

00:31:45.940 it's like

00:31:46.740 this is not racist

00:31:47.580 somebody asked

00:31:48.580 like they liked your haircut

00:31:50.040 and you call

00:31:50.540 oh I like your braids

00:31:53.060 that's racist

00:31:53.660 what

00:31:54.520 or you want to wear braids

00:31:56.500 and that's cultural appropriations

00:31:57.820 racism

00:31:58.260 he's like

00:31:58.980 you need to come

00:31:59.680 he calls out people all the time

00:32:01.460 I love him

00:32:02.140 we need more people like that

00:32:03.540 it's

00:32:05.400 I know

00:32:06.140 it's

00:32:06.440 it just feels

00:32:08.140 it's all exhausting

00:32:09.280 it really is

00:32:10.000 but it just feels

00:32:11.120 like a society

00:32:11.900 that's gone mad

00:32:12.700 that's what happens

00:32:14.820 when you don't

00:32:16.240 have any

00:32:16.720 personal responsibility

00:32:17.820 because you can

00:32:18.880 even if you're going crazy

00:32:20.040 you could blame it

00:32:20.660 on anything else

00:32:21.300 blame it on everything else

00:32:23.180 anything else

00:32:23.740 other than yourself

00:32:24.320 right

00:32:24.640 because when you were crazy

00:32:27.040 back in the day

00:32:27.760 who are you going to blame

00:32:28.680 oh shit

00:32:30.700 it's me

00:32:31.160 I don't want that to happen

00:32:32.840 so I'm going to

00:32:33.360 like me

00:32:33.800 I went to get help

00:32:34.720 for my mental health

00:32:35.420 my anxiety

00:32:36.000 I'm on medication

00:32:37.040 yeah

00:32:37.500 and it wasn't crazy

00:32:39.100 but like

00:32:39.680 now

00:32:40.760 you can have all these

00:32:42.200 mental illnesses

00:32:42.800 and it's like

00:32:43.720 people are flaunting them

00:32:44.680 and it's like

00:32:45.080 it's not

00:32:45.820 it's not something

00:32:46.980 to be ashamed of

00:32:47.620 but it's also not

00:32:48.500 something to be proud of

00:32:49.240 it's just

00:32:49.540 it is what it is

00:32:50.260 something to work on

00:32:51.140 it's something to fix yourself

00:32:52.180 right

00:32:52.440 something to help yourself

00:32:53.420 right

00:32:53.700 exactly

00:32:54.360 and you people

00:32:55.120 I see it in their bio

00:32:56.280 bipolar

00:32:57.140 ADHD

00:32:57.920 and look

00:32:58.400 these are you know

00:32:59.140 serious conditions

00:33:00.020 some more serious than others

00:33:01.240 but it's not your

00:33:02.280 fucking identity

00:33:03.180 it's not your identity

00:33:04.120 yeah

00:33:04.900 and Marcus and I

00:33:06.760 were talking about this yesterday

00:33:07.660 they don't have an identity

00:33:10.480 that's what it is

00:33:11.560 because none of these words

00:33:13.060 actually mean anything anymore

00:33:14.200 so they're just

00:33:15.220 they're grabbing at these labels

00:33:16.980 and these identities

00:33:17.580 and these words

00:33:18.140 that have no meaning

00:33:19.400 just because they can't

00:33:21.520 it's like they don't know

00:33:22.620 how to develop a personality

00:33:23.620 because you know what

00:33:24.660 most personalities are developed

00:33:26.020 based on opinions

00:33:27.600 of the world

00:33:28.740 and these people all think the same

00:33:30.400 so they have to have

00:33:32.380 differences in their identities

00:33:34.100 to be seen as different

00:33:35.660 even though they all think the same

00:33:36.800 but that's a great thing

00:33:38.800 that this particular ideology

00:33:40.000 gives you

00:33:40.660 it just gives you

00:33:42.260 a list of opinions

00:33:44.240 which come

00:33:45.080 to believe in

00:33:45.400 yeah

00:33:45.620 which is a cult

00:33:47.120 by the way

00:33:47.720 okay let's start

00:33:49.260 let's go with that then

00:33:50.040 it's a cult

00:33:50.620 why

00:33:51.420 like literally

00:33:52.760 just what you said

00:33:53.360 this is what you have to believe

00:33:54.820 in order to be a part

00:33:55.680 of our group

00:33:56.400 and the moment you don't

00:33:57.540 the oppression group

00:33:58.100 and the moment you don't believe that

00:33:59.840 bye

00:34:01.300 bye girl

00:34:02.040 bitch

00:34:02.380 bye bitch

00:34:02.880 like that's it

00:34:03.560 you get excommunicated

00:34:04.520 from the

00:34:04.840 I always use that word

00:34:05.660 but it's like a religion

00:34:06.640 that's why I say excommunicated

00:34:07.920 it's literally like

00:34:08.840 a cult is like a religion

00:34:09.780 and how have you found this

00:34:11.080 because you're obviously

00:34:11.840 a public figure in some way

00:34:13.800 you know

00:34:14.080 on YouTube

00:34:14.620 you've got a big following

00:34:15.580 so people will know

00:34:17.040 who you are

00:34:17.720 in the

00:34:18.480 I mean

00:34:19.180 this idea of the LGBT community

00:34:21.540 is a thing I question

00:34:22.760 as a thing that exists anyway

00:34:24.300 but among

00:34:25.400 your people

00:34:27.280 how do they

00:34:28.140 what kind of like

00:34:29.680 reaction do you have

00:34:30.840 like Blair and I

00:34:32.240 were talking about this

00:34:32.840 when I was on her channel

00:34:34.100 and

00:34:34.720 it's different now

00:34:36.880 like before

00:34:38.360 we would go out

00:34:39.360 and people

00:34:40.200 I love

00:34:40.680 well Blair

00:34:41.200 differently

00:34:41.640 like people never liked her

00:34:42.980 well we like Blair

00:34:45.480 but

00:34:45.660 well the LGBT people

00:34:47.160 but there's like a very small

00:34:48.520 subset of the community

00:34:49.220 that loves her

00:34:49.720 just like

00:34:50.240 but for me

00:34:50.900 it was the opposite right

00:34:51.620 because I was more

00:34:52.220 on the left before

00:34:53.140 you were educating people

00:34:54.580 about being gay

00:34:55.720 you were doing sex ed

00:34:57.080 you were doing all that great stuff

00:34:58.320 and then they like

00:34:59.120 turn their backs on me

00:35:00.080 and they're claiming

00:35:00.760 that I turned my back on them

00:35:01.700 and it's like

00:35:02.100 I've had the same opinions

00:35:03.580 like for the last 12 years

00:35:04.780 but whatever

00:35:05.200 except like something

00:35:06.520 on trans issues

00:35:07.240 like I became more left

00:35:08.680 and then some things

00:35:09.360 I became more right

00:35:10.100 depending on what new information

00:35:11.480 comes out right

00:35:12.120 but I think

00:35:14.580 for the most part

00:35:16.220 now

00:35:17.940 like where before

00:35:19.380 people would come

00:35:20.320 come up to me

00:35:20.900 and like cry

00:35:21.500 and like when they met me

00:35:22.400 at like VidCon

00:35:22.960 now I don't get invited

00:35:23.820 not surprised

00:35:25.560 but like now

00:35:26.780 it's

00:35:27.380 I remember I was at

00:35:28.200 Rhode Island Pride

00:35:28.880 and a bunch of

00:35:30.440 there was like

00:35:30.740 two or three girls

00:35:31.380 together in a group

00:35:32.140 and one of the girls

00:35:32.720 came up to me

00:35:33.280 and she just stood next to me

00:35:34.380 didn't actually look at me

00:35:35.420 I'm not even making this up

00:35:36.760 stood next to me

00:35:37.540 and was like

00:35:37.860 love your content

00:35:38.460 and then walked away

00:35:40.600 and I was like

00:35:41.040 what just happened

00:35:41.800 like

00:35:42.120 what was that

00:35:43.140 because she was afraid

00:35:44.160 that other people

00:35:44.660 would see her

00:35:45.000 interacting with me

00:35:45.720 that's so sad

00:35:47.140 you can't even like

00:35:48.500 like somebody's content

00:35:49.720 anymore without being

00:35:50.400 called a bigot

00:35:50.940 can't even follow them

00:35:52.640 on Twitter

00:35:53.580 I know that feeling

00:35:55.000 very well

00:35:55.420 because I don't know

00:35:56.440 if you know this

00:35:56.920 Francis and I

00:35:57.660 before we started this

00:35:59.280 we were in the comedy

00:36:00.340 industry in this country

00:36:01.520 and it's about

00:36:03.120 it's about like

00:36:04.240 200 people

00:36:05.060 or 300 people

00:36:05.780 it's a small world

00:36:06.680 really

00:36:07.020 very small world

00:36:07.960 where everyone's

00:36:08.720 watching each other

00:36:09.600 everyone's monitoring

00:36:10.640 what everyone's thinking

00:36:11.620 what they're liking

00:36:12.460 what they're not liking

00:36:13.300 terrible

00:36:13.660 and I remember

00:36:14.300 I used to watch

00:36:15.220 so at the time

00:36:17.380 it was Dave Rubin's show

00:36:18.440 this was like

00:36:19.180 2016

00:36:19.860 2017

00:36:20.440 where he was kind of

00:36:21.420 going through

00:36:21.940 like I'm a liberal

00:36:23.160 but I'm exploring

00:36:23.980 different points of view

00:36:25.140 phase

00:36:25.620 because he is a classic

00:36:26.440 liberal

00:36:26.740 so am I

00:36:27.280 yeah

00:36:27.720 I think since then

00:36:29.340 Dave's evolved to

00:36:30.200 thinking I think he's

00:36:30.920 more squarely in the

00:36:31.840 sort of on the right

00:36:32.600 box now

00:36:33.160 but at the time

00:36:34.120 because everything's

00:36:35.000 going so far left

00:36:35.740 he's kind of staying

00:36:36.520 here so he's

00:36:37.140 yeah

00:36:37.560 yeah

00:36:37.860 same

00:36:38.180 yeah

00:36:39.400 and so at that time

00:36:40.720 I found his show

00:36:41.400 very interesting

00:36:42.000 because it was kind of

00:36:42.800 the journey I was

00:36:43.560 going through mentally

00:36:44.260 myself

00:36:44.760 yes

00:36:45.180 and I would watch it

00:36:46.360 I think it took me

00:36:47.760 two years

00:36:48.540 to actually subscribe

00:36:50.100 to his YouTube channel

00:36:51.360 and to like his face

00:36:53.160 because I was afraid

00:36:54.100 wow

00:36:54.680 as a grown man

00:36:56.740 you see how

00:36:57.340 yeah

00:36:57.640 and people are shocked

00:36:58.880 when we're talking

00:36:59.460 about these kids

00:37:00.080 it's like you're a grown man

00:37:01.020 you're afraid

00:37:01.500 yeah

00:37:01.880 my friend

00:37:02.860 my friend was texting me

00:37:03.980 before he was afraid

00:37:04.900 he's afraid

00:37:05.380 he's a trans guy

00:37:06.080 he's afraid to talk

00:37:06.580 about these things

00:37:07.040 yeah

00:37:07.260 because I knew

00:37:08.100 we both knew

00:37:09.060 look at us

00:37:09.600 we started the show

00:37:10.400 and all we do

00:37:11.020 is we talk to people

00:37:11.840 about some of these issues

00:37:13.100 just and I love

00:37:14.060 by the way

00:37:15.100 the no filter

00:37:15.740 conversation we're having

00:37:17.080 it's great

00:37:17.620 right

00:37:18.060 and that's what we

00:37:18.660 always wanted this to be

00:37:19.740 and we get people

00:37:20.660 we just

00:37:20.980 the guy we put out

00:37:22.240 two days ago

00:37:23.860 is David Pakman

00:37:24.560 who's like a progressive

00:37:25.440 commentator on YouTube

00:37:26.980 we had that conversation

00:37:28.700 and we get people

00:37:29.400 from the left

00:37:29.940 we get people

00:37:30.560 on the right

00:37:31.420 we get mostly people

00:37:32.440 like you

00:37:32.800 who are just like

00:37:33.320 what the fuck's going on

00:37:34.440 right

00:37:35.120 because most people

00:37:35.880 are there

00:37:36.420 well we are

00:37:37.360 like evil right wing

00:37:38.700 naughty bigots

00:37:40.220 in the comedy industry

00:37:41.220 in this country

00:37:41.760 right

00:37:42.040 and I don't give a shit

00:37:43.080 about that

00:37:43.520 but at the time

00:37:44.480 when it mattered

00:37:45.540 what people thought

00:37:46.460 when they had

00:37:47.200 opportunity to limit

00:37:48.300 my work

00:37:49.280 my progression

00:37:50.300 in the comedy industry

00:37:51.300 yeah

00:37:51.920 yeah I was terrified

00:37:52.980 of course

00:37:54.200 I don't think

00:37:54.640 it's wrong

00:37:55.280 to be scared

00:37:55.860 it's just sad

00:37:56.640 it is

00:37:57.260 it's terrible

00:37:58.080 it makes sense

00:37:58.900 and also

00:37:59.540 the thing as well

00:38:00.220 is like

00:38:00.620 maybe

00:38:01.340 in my head

00:38:02.400 I was actually

00:38:03.180 exaggerating

00:38:03.960 the extent

00:38:04.500 to which

00:38:04.980 I was right

00:38:05.700 to be fearful

00:38:06.340 but the atmosphere

00:38:08.020 is still there

00:38:09.080 right

00:38:09.680 and if people

00:38:10.200 yeah but now

00:38:10.500 you've risen above it

00:38:11.660 a little

00:38:11.820 we have

00:38:12.320 but what I'm talking

00:38:13.020 about is this girl

00:38:13.680 that came up to you

00:38:14.500 imagine what it's like

00:38:15.720 for her

00:38:16.200 right

00:38:16.520 right

00:38:16.840 because it's not

00:38:17.780 even she's in an industry

00:38:18.920 where she might be

00:38:19.760 forced out

00:38:20.380 she's in a community too

00:38:21.780 she's like

00:38:22.280 that's her identity

00:38:23.240 that's the whole thing

00:38:24.120 right

00:38:24.340 this is the people

00:38:25.000 she dates

00:38:25.520 this is the people

00:38:26.260 she's gonna

00:38:27.060 yes

00:38:27.580 it's the whole

00:38:28.460 that's their whole livelihood

00:38:29.200 and you like

00:38:30.340 an Ariel Scarcella video

00:38:31.580 on YouTube

00:38:32.020 like

00:38:32.440 oh you follow her

00:38:33.780 on Twitter

00:38:34.180 you like the tweet

00:38:35.120 yeah

00:38:35.420 done

00:38:36.160 sometimes I like tweets

00:38:37.480 that I don't actually like

00:38:38.620 because I want to

00:38:39.800 it's like

00:38:40.260 you know

00:38:40.940 I want to look

00:38:41.740 like if it's a video

00:38:42.660 or something

00:38:42.920 I don't have time

00:38:43.400 to watch it

00:38:43.940 I'll watch it later

00:38:44.680 so I'll like it

00:38:45.320 so it's in my like

00:38:46.060 right

00:38:46.340 so I can save it

00:38:47.140 it's just all too much

00:38:50.500 it's too much

00:38:51.120 it is

00:38:51.480 it's also manipulative behavior

00:38:53.300 right

00:38:53.560 it's toxic

00:38:54.880 abusive behavior

00:38:56.580 it's like an abusive

00:38:57.740 boyfriend or girlfriend

00:38:58.460 looking over your shoulder

00:38:59.160 who are you texting

00:38:59.640 who are you talking to

00:39:00.300 why are you going out

00:39:01.180 with this person

00:39:01.680 literally

00:39:02.500 if there wasn't a relationship

00:39:03.840 people would be obvious

00:39:05.460 it's obvious

00:39:06.220 that it's abusive

00:39:06.780 but it's because

00:39:07.460 it's co-workers

00:39:08.580 or friendships

00:39:09.120 or just people

00:39:09.620 you're following

00:39:10.140 or whatever

00:39:10.520 they don't call it abusive

00:39:12.000 it's literally

00:39:12.960 the same thing happening

00:39:13.760 but they also

00:39:16.720 and this to me

00:39:17.640 is a really sinister thing

00:39:19.120 because if it was just that

00:39:20.340 it's obviously disgusting

00:39:21.360 awful

00:39:21.640 reprehensible

00:39:22.200 blah blah blah

00:39:22.700 but they frame it

00:39:24.300 as kindness

00:39:25.100 yeah

00:39:25.660 and that's a thing

00:39:27.160 that really

00:39:28.100 manipulation

00:39:28.640 that's the manipulative part

00:39:29.960 right

00:39:30.160 yeah

00:39:30.400 it's for your benefit

00:39:31.880 yeah

00:39:32.400 it's for your benefit

00:39:33.180 you know we have a friend of ours

00:39:34.340 who's a very good comic

00:39:35.340 who during lockdown

00:39:38.140 he was tweeting his concerns

00:39:40.420 about the impact of lockdown

00:39:41.660 on people's lives

00:39:42.480 and all of that

00:39:43.440 and another comedian

00:39:45.440 these are both black dudes

00:39:46.760 by the way

00:39:47.160 and this is relevant

00:39:47.820 to the story

00:39:48.340 when he said

00:39:50.620 your tweets are looking

00:39:51.680 the optics of your tweets

00:39:53.440 are very right wing lately

00:39:55.020 he said that to you?

00:39:56.280 no he said it to our friend

00:39:57.420 one black guy

00:39:58.900 said it to another black guy

00:39:59.720 to another black guy

00:40:00.440 the optics of your tweets

00:40:01.840 are very right wing lately

00:40:04.100 okay

00:40:04.460 right

00:40:05.360 so it's basically saying

00:40:07.160 like stay on the reservation

00:40:08.640 right

00:40:09.060 are you okay?

00:40:09.780 yeah are you okay?

00:40:10.240 are you gonna be alright?

00:40:11.260 yeah I'm worried about you

00:40:12.420 I'm worried about you

00:40:13.100 but that's not what he's worried about

00:40:14.160 no

00:40:14.420 he's trying to go

00:40:15.560 don't have these opinions

00:40:17.800 right

00:40:18.080 he's trying to reel them in

00:40:18.820 right

00:40:18.980 you know

00:40:19.420 abuse

00:40:20.420 it's abuse

00:40:21.060 literally abusive behavior

00:40:23.040 like textbook

00:40:23.980 psychological definition of abuse

00:40:25.720 control and manipulation

00:40:27.060 and nobody calls it out

00:40:29.800 there's like five of us

00:40:30.660 that call it out

00:40:31.280 it's sad

00:40:32.640 and it's the word right wing

00:40:34.300 which doesn't mean

00:40:35.400 like you know

00:40:36.280 what is the true explanation

00:40:37.840 of the words right wing?

00:40:39.100 it means

00:40:39.420 small government

00:40:40.820 small government

00:40:41.380 lower taxes

00:40:42.060 lower taxes

00:40:43.060 less government involvement

00:40:43.960 right

00:40:44.280 yeah

00:40:44.520 less intervention

00:40:45.300 right

00:40:45.780 by the government

00:40:46.400 in your lives

00:40:47.220 now there are trade-offs with that

00:40:48.660 there's positives

00:40:49.200 and there's negatives

00:40:50.040 of course

00:40:50.380 and if you adhere to that

00:40:51.540 particular type of

00:40:52.500 political belief

00:40:53.760 ideology

00:40:54.220 great

00:40:54.880 there's nothing wrong with it

00:40:55.760 it's not my view

00:40:56.580 they're not my politics

00:40:57.980 but they

00:40:58.620 there's a validity to it

00:41:00.200 right

00:41:00.640 but right wing now

00:41:02.180 doesn't mean that

00:41:03.200 oh no

00:41:03.820 it doesn't mean that anymore

00:41:04.480 it means this whole other identity

00:41:06.100 that they throw you

00:41:06.700 which is funny

00:41:07.500 because they're like

00:41:07.980 don't tell me how to identify

00:41:09.160 but they're throwing all these identities on you

00:41:11.020 well I've been saying this

00:41:12.000 just because you feel a certain way about government

00:41:13.860 you must be a Nazi

00:41:14.960 you must be a white supremacist

00:41:15.860 I've been saying this for years

00:41:16.740 you can be non-binary in every way

00:41:18.820 except politically

00:41:19.760 except politically

00:41:21.760 literally I've never met

00:41:22.640 I have one friend that

00:41:24.300 he's not really non-binary

00:41:25.700 that's the thing

00:41:26.280 he's had trauma

00:41:27.740 so he has dysphoria

00:41:29.200 but not like full dysphoria

00:41:30.220 he's the only non-binary

00:41:32.880 like non-binary

00:41:34.160 republican that I've ever met

00:41:35.620 you are a conservative

00:41:36.740 you'll never meet a non-binary person

00:41:38.240 other than him

00:41:38.820 that's not left wing

00:41:40.780 like you said it perfectly

00:41:42.880 yeah you can be non-binary in every way

00:41:44.860 but not politically

00:41:45.580 you can't have

00:41:46.300 like me

00:41:47.200 like have an opinion

00:41:47.960 that's on the left

00:41:48.740 and on the right

00:41:49.500 and think of yourself

00:41:50.420 as someone in the middle

00:41:51.260 no no

00:41:51.600 if you've stepped over this line here

00:41:54.060 you're all the way

00:41:54.780 that's it

00:41:55.920 you're done

00:41:56.300 you're done

00:41:57.100 fucking incredible

00:41:58.340 how we've got here

00:41:59.220 it is incredible

00:42:00.340 it's sad

00:42:00.560 it really is

00:42:01.700 yeah

00:42:02.020 yeah

00:42:02.900 but that right wing label

00:42:04.720 is really powerful

00:42:05.640 because once it sticks to you

00:42:07.320 then immediately

00:42:09.220 that you're right wing

00:42:10.420 which means

00:42:11.580 particularly in my former industry

00:42:13.440 thank god I've left it

00:42:14.680 is

00:42:16.100 oh we can deny you opportunities

00:42:18.060 we can sideline you

00:42:20.060 I know in

00:42:20.760 at least in the United States

00:42:22.040 is illegal

00:42:22.580 like I don't think

00:42:24.460 you're allowed to do that

00:42:25.380 right

00:42:25.660 I'd have to ask my lawyer friend

00:42:27.440 yeah

00:42:27.860 but I'm almost positive

00:42:29.440 they cannot deny you a job

00:42:30.820 based on political beliefs

00:42:32.000 right

00:42:32.280 but how do you prove it

00:42:33.420 right

00:42:33.680 right exactly

00:42:34.400 that's the point

00:42:34.960 you can't

00:42:35.740 oh I didn't like the way you dressed

00:42:37.300 I didn't like the way you talked

00:42:38.000 to that customer

00:42:38.580 and look

00:42:39.500 we should also be grateful

00:42:40.980 I mean

00:42:41.340 that happened to my friend David

00:42:42.180 he got fired

00:42:42.700 because he was posting

00:42:44.180 political stuff online

00:42:45.060 yeah

00:42:45.520 but we should also be grateful

00:42:47.220 because we're coming off

00:42:47.980 as a bunch of whiners now

00:42:49.060 like

00:42:49.280 reality is

00:42:50.740 you know

00:42:51.840 we have it better than half

00:42:52.660 more than half of the world

00:42:53.720 I know

00:42:54.440 I know

00:42:54.840 yeah

00:42:55.200 but we don't want to see that go away

00:42:56.240 that's why we complain about it

00:42:57.440 yeah

00:42:57.680 yeah

00:42:58.020 and also individually

00:42:59.540 like all of us are doing okay

00:43:01.080 do you know what

00:43:01.540 like we've made a principal stand

00:43:03.420 and it cost us in the short term

00:43:04.760 but in the long term

00:43:05.740 I agree

00:43:06.180 we've been rewarded for it

00:43:06.940 because the truth is

00:43:07.860 these people know

00:43:09.080 that this is only going to benefit them

00:43:10.320 in the short term as well

00:43:11.020 they know

00:43:11.900 but they're afraid

00:43:12.620 because

00:43:13.060 the short term

00:43:14.460 people only see it

00:43:15.400 in the now

00:43:15.700 right

00:43:16.020 like what's going to benefit

00:43:17.220 benefit me right now

00:43:18.380 yeah

00:43:18.640 and then okay

00:43:19.580 is being woke

00:43:20.280 they're going to do that

00:43:21.100 but they know

00:43:23.360 they don't believe

00:43:23.820 in half the shit they say

00:43:24.740 most people like you said

00:43:27.060 we're in the middle

00:43:27.560 yeah

00:43:28.120 we're somewhere in the middle

00:43:29.180 nobody

00:43:29.940 there's not that many extremists

00:43:31.300 in this country

00:43:31.980 it's really not

00:43:32.680 in the world

00:43:33.300 really not

00:43:34.240 everyone kind of

00:43:35.920 as long as you're traveling

00:43:37.460 and you're getting to know

00:43:38.260 people of other cultures

00:43:39.000 you can see from both perspectives

00:43:40.420 usually

00:43:40.860 hey Francis

00:43:43.420 what do you think

00:43:44.460 is the best way

00:43:45.340 to advertise a business

00:43:46.640 that's easy

00:43:47.620 all you need to do

00:43:49.140 is spend shed loads of cash

00:43:50.760 on an advert

00:43:51.460 that's going to be promoted

00:43:52.680 on a dying medium like TV

00:43:54.560 then simply sit back

00:43:56.240 and watch all your hard-earned money

00:43:58.160 disappear down the toilet

00:43:59.640 what about advertising

00:44:00.920 with trigonometry

00:44:01.560 why would I do that

00:44:03.060 when I can advertise

00:44:04.000 on ITV3

00:44:05.480 for the measly sum of

00:44:07.120 20 grand

00:44:08.140 and be watched

00:44:09.040 by six people

00:44:10.180 because trigonometry

00:44:11.400 now has over

00:44:12.100 350,000 subscribers

00:44:13.960 across the different platforms

00:44:15.260 and gets 2 million views

00:44:16.560 and downloads a month

00:44:17.420 that's right

00:44:18.360 you can place an advert

00:44:19.660 with us

00:44:20.240 and we'll promote

00:44:21.240 your brand

00:44:21.980 on one of our episodes

00:44:23.160 your advert

00:44:23.760 will be written

00:44:24.440 by two professional comedians

00:44:26.080 yeah that's right

00:44:26.880 we're hiring

00:44:27.480 two professional comedians

00:44:29.140 where we make our ads funny

00:44:32.400 and engaging to the point

00:44:33.760 where some people say

00:44:34.840 the ads are their favourite

00:44:36.000 parts of the show

00:44:37.060 yeah we probably

00:44:37.840 shouldn't admit that mate

00:44:38.840 all you need to do

00:44:40.200 is contact us

00:44:41.180 on marketing

00:44:41.800 at triggerpod.co.uk

00:44:44.020 that's marketing

00:44:45.240 at triggerpod.co.uk

00:44:47.860 advertise with us

00:44:49.180 and we'll get

00:44:49.860 your business cancelled

00:44:51.100 but the reason

00:44:54.560 we have got a large

00:44:55.540 following both of us

00:44:56.500 is because

00:44:57.140 we do give voice

00:44:58.500 to the things

00:44:59.240 that people feel

00:45:00.420 that they are unable

00:45:01.020 to give voice to

00:45:01.840 in their jobs

00:45:03.260 that's it

00:45:03.600 yes

00:45:03.880 amongst their friends

00:45:04.920 so I mean

00:45:06.340 this is a sad story

00:45:07.740 I had a friend

00:45:08.840 who was a comedian

00:45:09.420 and he passed away

00:45:10.340 and he was very ill

00:45:11.580 and when he was going

00:45:12.880 through the late stage

00:45:13.820 of his illness

00:45:14.260 we used to talk

00:45:14.960 on Facebook

00:45:15.520 on Facebook Messenger

00:45:16.520 when he was getting

00:45:17.020 his treatment

00:45:17.460 and he messaged me

00:45:19.680 and he said

00:45:20.160 I love trigonometry

00:45:21.540 I can never do

00:45:22.880 what you do Francis

00:45:23.780 because I'm not as brave

00:45:24.680 as you

00:45:25.020 I went what do you mean

00:45:26.400 and he goes

00:45:27.000 I love your interviews

00:45:28.780 and you know

00:45:29.440 I've got books

00:45:30.100 by Douglas Murray

00:45:31.060 and other people

00:45:31.780 but when they come

00:45:33.100 round to my house

00:45:33.940 when my friends

00:45:34.520 come round to my house

00:45:34.940 yeah when my friends

00:45:36.000 come round to my house

00:45:36.740 he hides the books

00:45:37.120 he hides the books

00:45:38.120 wow

00:45:39.200 and when he passed away

00:45:42.020 I saw everybody

00:45:43.120 talk about him

00:45:44.600 and go

00:45:45.200 oh you know

00:45:46.680 what a great guy

00:45:47.440 this person was

00:45:48.200 how nice they were

00:45:49.520 blah blah blah

00:45:50.220 so they didn't know

00:45:51.060 what he really thought

00:45:51.820 they didn't know him

00:45:52.520 that's so

00:45:53.140 that's like going to

00:45:54.080 that's okay

00:45:55.060 in my opinion

00:45:55.680 I don't want to

00:45:57.000 compare it completely

00:45:57.720 but to me

00:45:58.800 that would be almost

00:45:59.580 like hiding that

00:46:01.720 you're gay

00:46:02.080 your whole life

00:46:02.740 and people not knowing

00:46:04.000 your truth

00:46:04.660 that's so sad

00:46:05.880 it's like you said

00:46:06.080 coming out of the closet

00:46:06.920 yeah

00:46:07.340 yeah

00:46:07.700 well that's why they say

00:46:09.260 when did you come

00:46:10.360 we're second coming out

00:46:11.320 we call it

00:46:11.780 coming out as a conservative

00:46:12.720 or coming out as a non-leftist

00:46:14.100 like that's what we say

00:46:15.520 because it's the truth

00:46:16.440 because in the same

00:46:17.800 in the same way

00:46:18.640 that you can lose

00:46:19.420 your job

00:46:20.140 in some places

00:46:20.840 but not like

00:46:21.380 not a lot of places anymore

00:46:22.160 you could lose your job

00:46:23.180 your family

00:46:23.820 your status for being gay

00:46:25.180 you can also lose those things

00:46:26.400 for being conservative

00:46:27.400 that's why we call it

00:46:28.440 coming out

00:46:28.900 second coming out

00:46:30.360 because it's stupid

00:46:32.220 but you can lose

00:46:32.860 all those things again

00:46:33.680 are you conservative

00:46:35.520 or are you just non-leftist

00:46:36.900 I like

00:46:38.860 if I asked my friends

00:46:39.820 that are conservatives

00:46:40.460 they would say

00:46:41.440 I was moderate

00:46:42.100 I think

00:46:43.160 I have some conservative views

00:46:44.880 and I have some moderate views

00:46:46.160 right

00:46:46.500 which really like

00:46:49.100 just a classic liberal

00:46:50.100 I think

00:46:50.720 like don't tell me

00:46:51.360 how to live my life

00:46:51.960 don't get involved

00:46:52.900 in my money

00:46:54.020 like don't take my money

00:46:55.060 don't tell me

00:46:56.100 how to raise my kids

00:46:57.200 type of thing

00:46:57.920 if I had kids

00:46:58.440 right

00:46:58.680 that's like

00:47:00.360 that's like a classic liberal

00:47:01.320 like if it's not hurting anybody

00:47:03.060 let me do it

00:47:03.880 classic liberal

00:47:05.060 but conservative

00:47:06.640 on certain issues

00:47:07.380 the wall

00:47:08.140 pro build the wall

00:47:09.260 but I'm pro choice

00:47:11.360 like

00:47:11.660 I'm in the middle

00:47:12.920 with a lot of issues

00:47:13.580 and it might change over time

00:47:14.880 like it's already changed

00:47:15.860 over time

00:47:16.340 but that's normal

00:47:17.460 because new information

00:47:18.340 comes out

00:47:18.980 what have you changed

00:47:20.320 your mind on the most

00:47:21.120 probably economically

00:47:26.240 I think

00:47:26.800 I've become

00:47:27.720 I've become way more conservative

00:47:28.920 yeah

00:47:29.280 and when you say

00:47:30.720 way more conservative

00:47:31.620 what does that mean

00:47:32.440 well to me

00:47:33.440 like in the states

00:47:34.480 to me that means

00:47:35.300 not aiding other countries

00:47:37.280 as much

00:47:37.900 before we help ourselves

00:47:39.340 right

00:47:39.720 like there's so many problems

00:47:41.020 in the states

00:47:41.680 that we have to fix

00:47:42.540 so many homeless kids

00:47:44.180 so many homeless people

00:47:45.200 homeless veterans

00:47:45.700 all these things

00:47:46.320 the cops

00:47:47.400 aren't getting paid as much

00:47:48.740 and now there's

00:47:49.520 all these police brutality

00:47:50.580 like fix those issues

00:47:52.580 excuse me

00:47:53.560 before you're trying to

00:47:55.280 give the Ukraine

00:47:56.500 100 million dollars

00:47:57.520 or whatever it was

00:47:58.100 like

00:47:58.280 it's a lot more than that

00:47:59.820 more

00:48:00.140 was it 400 million

00:48:01.020 or whatever it was

00:48:01.500 no it's many many

00:48:02.900 it's like 33 billion

00:48:04.060 whatever it was

00:48:04.800 I could argue with you

00:48:06.300 about that

00:48:06.740 because

00:48:07.140 American prosperity

00:48:08.680 depends on its influence

00:48:10.120 and power around the world

00:48:11.300 but I get your point

00:48:12.440 which is

00:48:12.980 I think your point broadly

00:48:14.840 is

00:48:15.180 the United States

00:48:16.460 should make sure

00:48:17.120 to look after its own citizens

00:48:18.420 right

00:48:18.700 before it does anything else

00:48:20.460 that's the point

00:48:20.720 that's the point

00:48:21.480 I understand economically

00:48:23.260 yes

00:48:23.620 it needs to be controlled

00:48:24.860 it needs to control

00:48:25.720 all the things

00:48:26.020 I get that

00:48:27.060 America consumes

00:48:29.180 a hugely disproportionate

00:48:31.660 amount of the world's resources

00:48:33.060 right

00:48:33.580 as do we here in the UK

00:48:35.220 and part of the reason for that

00:48:36.740 is you have control

00:48:37.880 over the whole world

00:48:38.640 and that's where

00:48:39.660 you know

00:48:40.240 the Ukraine thing

00:48:41.000 is a bit more complex than that

00:48:41.980 but I know exactly what you're saying

00:48:43.100 but you know what I'm trying to say

00:48:43.860 I know exactly what you're saying

00:48:44.820 I'm not trying to like

00:48:45.340 comment on the UK

00:48:45.980 I haven't made a video about it

00:48:47.740 because there's no way

00:48:48.700 I can actually understand about it

00:48:49.640 that's why I was asking you

00:48:50.380 it's just curious

00:48:50.800 because

00:48:51.100 and this is the thing

00:48:52.160 there will be people that go

00:48:52.900 oh she doesn't

00:48:53.600 she doesn't

00:48:54.800 we're human beings

00:48:56.500 we're going through life

00:48:57.620 and we're trying to work things out

00:48:58.620 and this is not your area of expertise

00:48:59.960 no

00:49:00.320 right

00:49:00.780 so

00:49:01.280 I don't feel

00:49:02.680 any sort of like

00:49:03.860 oh my gosh

00:49:04.460 you said this about it at all

00:49:05.620 but I think

00:49:06.600 I hear what you're saying

00:49:07.440 which is

00:49:07.900 a country should look after

00:49:09.680 its own people

00:49:10.340 yes

00:49:10.860 first

00:49:11.440 especially because we're the ones

00:49:12.740 that paid the taxes

00:49:13.460 and stuff

00:49:13.780 like if you're paying more taxes

00:49:15.580 especially

00:49:16.080 why are all these immigrants

00:49:17.760 coming in and get

00:49:18.500 like I saw this first hand

00:49:19.880 from living

00:49:20.580 born and raised in New York

00:49:21.680 and it's funny

00:49:23.380 funnily enough

00:49:24.760 I know a lot of people say

00:49:25.860 oh it's the black people

00:49:26.720 it's literally not

00:49:27.720 black people

00:49:28.700 that are taking advantage of this

00:49:29.620 you don't want to hear this

00:49:31.460 but

00:49:32.220 it's a lot of

00:49:33.720 it's a lot of Chinese people

00:49:34.720 a lot of Russian people

00:49:35.320 in New York

00:49:36.320 that are taking advantage

00:49:37.600 of like social security

00:49:38.900 and stuff like that

00:49:39.580 that are not from there

00:49:40.640 that have more

00:49:42.040 they had more benefits

00:49:42.900 than I did as an American citizen

00:49:44.100 more health benefits

00:49:45.380 like I had to go to the doctor

00:49:46.720 I had to pay $300

00:49:47.420 for a visit sometimes

00:49:48.540 they got for free

00:49:49.280 yeah

00:49:49.820 so to me I was

00:49:50.600 I was growing up

00:49:51.240 I'm thinking that's not fair

00:49:52.140 they just come to this country

00:49:53.760 and get all these

00:49:54.440 and again economically

00:49:55.720 I don't know how it works exactly

00:49:57.140 but I know it doesn't seem fair

00:49:58.680 so like what

00:50:00.380 where is that coming from

00:50:01.480 yeah that makes sense

00:50:03.380 it's a lot of issues

00:50:03.900 it's a lot of issues

00:50:04.600 but this is

00:50:05.400 these are things

00:50:06.280 that the left

00:50:06.920 don't want to discuss

00:50:08.520 right

00:50:08.980 because when it comes to immigration

00:50:10.200 they want a particular narrative

00:50:12.700 right

00:50:13.100 that they all would adhere to

00:50:14.380 they don't want to actually talk

00:50:16.260 about the complexities

00:50:17.140 of what it means

00:50:18.320 to have

00:50:19.240 a large immigrant population

00:50:20.980 coming in

00:50:21.540 right

00:50:21.800 as with all of these things

00:50:23.260 there are numerous benefits

00:50:24.520 and there are negatives

00:50:26.280 there are trade-offs

00:50:27.280 right

00:50:27.660 but they're not prepared

00:50:28.540 to have an honest discussion

00:50:29.460 about that

00:50:30.000 no

00:50:30.300 because they want to be called bigots

00:50:32.140 and racist

00:50:33.180 they're afraid of their own people

00:50:35.080 like it

00:50:36.700 like they're

00:50:37.280 they're miserable people

00:50:38.460 if you look at them

00:50:39.220 like we made a joke

00:50:40.900 about this a while ago

00:50:41.700 who was it

00:50:42.240 a friend of mine and I

00:50:43.440 like conservatives

00:50:45.040 literally are like

00:50:46.040 more attractive

00:50:46.560 I know that sounds

00:50:48.420 stupid to say

00:50:49.320 but for the most part

00:50:50.580 it's true

00:50:50.880 not because they're

00:50:51.580 actually more attractive

00:50:52.500 like physically or something

00:50:53.700 but because the energy

00:50:55.200 like liberals

00:50:57.060 are all

00:50:57.500 like

00:50:57.760 not liberals

00:50:58.820 leftists

00:50:59.500 are always angry

00:51:01.440 about something

00:51:02.840 they're always miserable

00:51:03.920 like that's not

00:51:05.380 an attractive quality

00:51:06.420 to have

00:51:06.860 so

00:51:08.480 I think you're talking about

00:51:10.500 the activists in particular

00:51:11.800 people that we see

00:51:13.340 right

00:51:13.520 that's what I mean

00:51:14.080 the far leftists

00:51:15.120 yeah

00:51:15.300 I have

00:51:15.960 I have friends

00:51:17.020 I have a friend

00:51:17.740 who's like

00:51:19.380 pro open borders

00:51:21.000 pro like 100%

00:51:22.680 renewable energy

00:51:23.740 all of this stuff

00:51:24.480 that doesn't practically work

00:51:25.620 right

00:51:26.000 and he's a really lovely guy

00:51:27.640 and when

00:51:28.740 when you have a conversation

00:51:29.860 with him

00:51:30.300 he's like

00:51:30.840 yeah I know

00:51:31.440 it doesn't work

00:51:32.280 I know it's not practical

00:51:33.480 but I just feel good

00:51:34.960 you know

00:51:35.360 saying it

00:51:35.900 yeah I just feel good

00:51:36.580 thinking about it

00:51:37.420 you know I just

00:51:38.140 I just

00:51:38.700 I just hope we lived

00:51:40.360 in a world

00:51:40.860 where we could have

00:51:41.560 open borders

00:51:42.160 and I just hope

00:51:42.700 we lived in a world

00:51:43.320 that would be great

00:51:43.900 but that's not how

00:51:44.600 the world is

00:51:45.160 no

00:51:45.420 right

00:51:45.900 and that's always

00:51:46.720 going to be the tension

00:51:47.600 and look

00:51:48.120 by the way

00:51:48.640 there are points

00:51:49.180 in history

00:51:49.700 realistic versus idealistic

00:51:51.120 yeah but there are

00:51:51.920 points in history

00:51:52.560 where you

00:51:53.580 the conservative

00:51:54.900 side of things

00:51:55.900 it gets a little bit

00:51:57.260 too stuck

00:51:57.920 in its own ways

00:51:58.720 and you need people

00:51:59.660 who have a bigger vision

00:52:00.920 to come and just

00:52:01.680 unstuff the whole place

00:52:03.160 a little bit

00:52:03.660 you know

00:52:04.020 yes

00:52:04.460 and so this is

00:52:06.480 which are people like me

00:52:07.360 right

00:52:07.760 and Blair

00:52:08.240 were like

00:52:08.680 by the way

00:52:09.460 like come a little bit

00:52:10.620 like the right

00:52:11.700 has come a little bit

00:52:12.520 more left

00:52:13.040 like it has

00:52:13.820 but the left went

00:52:15.060 like

00:52:15.700 yeah exactly

00:52:16.620 like it went too much

00:52:17.420 but this is the point

00:52:18.360 this is why I was saying

00:52:19.260 it's people like you

00:52:19.980 and us

00:52:20.280 because like

00:52:21.140 the people I used to

00:52:22.300 watch growing up

00:52:23.420 as comics

00:52:23.960 were Bill Hicks

00:52:24.780 and George Carlin

00:52:25.560 these were two lefties

00:52:26.760 massive lefties

00:52:28.280 but they were talking

00:52:29.280 about political correctness

00:52:30.580 they were talking

00:52:31.080 about free speech

00:52:32.000 right

00:52:32.380 they just didn't want

00:52:33.660 a massive government

00:52:34.540 telling them what they can

00:52:35.600 and can't say

00:52:36.180 and at the time

00:52:36.980 it was the right

00:52:38.140 the religious right

00:52:39.160 that was going

00:52:39.740 you can't say this

00:52:40.880 you can't joke about Jesus

00:52:42.040 you can't do this

00:52:42.880 we talk about that

00:52:43.580 and they were pushing

00:52:44.460 against it

00:52:45.160 they were pushing

00:52:46.120 against authoritarianism

00:52:47.480 the left in America

00:52:48.620 was what

00:52:48.940 the 60s

00:52:49.500 the hippies

00:52:49.980 don't tell me

00:52:50.820 how to live my life

00:52:51.640 free love

00:52:52.760 that's not

00:52:53.800 what the left is now

00:52:54.640 left is like

00:52:55.180 do whatever they tell you to do

00:52:56.180 listen to the government

00:52:57.340 it's like the opposite

00:52:59.660 of what it used to be

00:53:00.500 even in the 90s

00:53:02.380 do you know where

00:53:02.980 the headbangers

00:53:03.700 and stuff like that

00:53:04.540 like the emo kids

00:53:05.740 they were the leftists

00:53:06.900 and they're still the leftists

00:53:08.560 but they believe

00:53:09.920 in something different now

00:53:11.300 where the left

00:53:12.700 really lost me

00:53:13.540 was just

00:53:14.060 I couldn't believe

00:53:14.960 how authoritarian they are

00:53:16.140 particularly when it came to COVID

00:53:17.440 and they're just like

00:53:18.300 lock everything down

00:53:19.280 shut it

00:53:19.700 shut it

00:53:20.060 shut it

00:53:20.400 shut it

00:53:20.720 shut it

00:53:20.980 let's never open again

00:53:22.160 let's live

00:53:22.780 and you're going

00:53:23.580 what the

00:53:24.480 what's going on

00:53:25.860 what's genuinely

00:53:27.160 what's going on

00:53:28.040 it's not

00:53:28.800 I

00:53:29.680 I think they've gotten

00:53:32.040 to a point

00:53:32.460 where they're just so scared

00:53:33.440 to do anything

00:53:34.580 that's not seen

00:53:36.040 as appropriate

00:53:37.000 do you think that's true too

00:53:38.900 do you know

00:53:39.940 like for people that are here

00:53:40.760 look

00:53:41.360 because leftists here

00:53:42.400 are crazy too right

00:53:43.360 yeah

00:53:43.660 yeah

00:53:44.000 yeah

00:53:44.460 and that's your fault

00:53:46.340 America's fault

00:53:47.340 you think we've influenced it

00:53:48.620 yeah

00:53:48.780 of course

00:53:49.700 oh I don't know

00:53:50.660 well we just

00:53:51.240 I don't know

00:53:52.200 I can't tell

00:53:52.660 you've got to understand

00:53:53.460 the chicken or the egg

00:53:53.880 like I don't

00:53:54.420 western culture

00:53:55.720 is really exported

00:53:57.300 American culture

00:53:58.160 is it

00:53:58.460 yeah

00:53:58.820 a lot of the time

00:53:59.700 we watch your movies

00:54:01.120 I'm so sorry that we did that

00:54:01.800 yeah yeah

00:54:02.120 we watch your movies

00:54:02.940 we listen to your podcasts

00:54:04.280 we

00:54:04.580 you know

00:54:05.340 all of that

00:54:06.440 yeah yeah

00:54:06.820 the cultural

00:54:07.580 so we get

00:54:08.600 we listen to your music

00:54:09.580 a lot of the time

00:54:10.960 we want reparations

00:54:12.180 down

00:54:13.560 down

00:54:14.500 for all of this shit

00:54:15.740 that's what we want

00:54:17.400 but that's why it's the Anglosphere

00:54:18.680 yeah

00:54:19.240 because it's

00:54:20.140 it's coming out of

00:54:21.100 American cultural institutions

00:54:22.640 and academia

00:54:23.500 and Twitter

00:54:24.340 and all of that shit

00:54:25.300 it's coming from America

00:54:26.880 and we're all going

00:54:27.600 oh give it to me

00:54:29.240 right

00:54:29.580 you know

00:54:29.880 that's where it's coming from

00:54:31.260 and so that's why

00:54:32.840 people like us

00:54:33.840 like Francis and I

00:54:34.940 are not really that interested

00:54:36.160 in American politics

00:54:37.460 and other stuff

00:54:38.000 I mean I've always paid attention to it

00:54:39.440 but

00:54:39.560 you have to pay attention

00:54:40.280 because you have to critique it

00:54:41.320 and you have to follow the trends

00:54:41.920 because we have to see what's coming

00:54:42.980 what's the next thing

00:54:43.780 right

00:54:43.940 you have to

00:54:44.380 right

00:54:44.740 yeah

00:54:45.060 you know

00:54:45.680 right

00:54:45.980 that makes sense

00:54:47.000 that's

00:54:47.800 that's what

00:54:48.140 and so we're all kind of

00:54:49.480 just like getting all this shit

00:54:50.580 and so we're all part of

00:54:51.600 your culture war now

00:54:52.480 oh shit

00:54:53.040 Canada

00:54:55.020 I don't know

00:54:55.960 Canada kind of

00:54:56.580 is even further left

00:54:58.320 than we are

00:54:58.840 right

00:54:59.160 like they had pro

00:55:00.000 they were against free speech

00:55:01.460 since like 2013 or something

00:55:03.840 like if you misgendered somebody

00:55:05.060 or whatever it was

00:55:05.720 yeah well that's how

00:55:06.380 you would go to jail

00:55:07.020 or get a crime

00:55:07.660 that's how Jordan Peterson

00:55:08.960 became what he became

00:55:09.500 right that's exactly

00:55:10.100 that's how he

00:55:10.580 that's how he rose to fame

00:55:11.440 because he would not

00:55:12.240 it wasn't like

00:55:13.020 he didn't want to be nice

00:55:14.000 to these trans people

00:55:14.780 it's just like

00:55:15.240 you cannot take away

00:55:16.020 my freedom of speech

00:55:16.620 that's really what

00:55:17.260 that argument was about

00:55:18.000 but of course

00:55:18.600 they misconstrued it

00:55:19.400 and made it about trans rights

00:55:20.280 it's like no

00:55:21.020 it's not what this is

00:55:22.020 when was the moment

00:55:23.000 where you thought

00:55:23.820 nah I'm not really

00:55:26.020 on board with this train

00:55:27.000 oh god

00:55:28.820 when they told me

00:55:30.420 I had to suck dick

00:55:31.060 honestly

00:55:32.540 it was that simple for me

00:55:33.900 who told you to suck dick

00:55:35.340 a lot of people

00:55:36.420 a lot of

00:55:37.460 a lot of people

00:55:38.140 claiming to be lesbians

00:55:39.280 because they were trans

00:55:41.000 because they were

00:55:41.680 trans inclusive lesbians

00:55:43.160 like that was like

00:55:44.720 the moment where I was like

00:55:45.580 okay this is just homophobia

00:55:46.780 and it's fine

00:55:47.320 like how did we get here

00:55:48.640 how did

00:55:48.980 how did

00:55:49.420 how is

00:55:50.940 how are supposed

00:55:52.120 these supposed people

00:55:53.900 that are queer activists

00:55:55.100 literally against

00:55:57.500 what homosexuality is

00:55:58.720 so

00:55:59.440 same sex attraction

00:56:00.620 you said

00:56:01.240 same

00:56:01.580 like the genitals

00:56:02.380 apparently mean nothing

00:56:03.180 to these people now

00:56:03.920 it's like the genitals

00:56:04.840 which literally

00:56:05.800 things that you have sex with

00:56:06.920 mean nothing

00:56:07.920 that was what like

00:56:09.680 really started red pilling me

00:56:10.980 and then my friend

00:56:12.360 showed me this documentary

00:56:13.160 I don't want to say it on camera

00:56:14.060 but

00:56:14.420 she showed me this documentary

00:56:15.940 and I was like holy crap

00:56:16.960 and now that was three years ago

00:56:18.300 two and a half years ago

00:56:19.340 and now things that were said

00:56:20.940 two and a half years ago

00:56:21.500 are coming true

00:56:22.120 that were said in the documentary

00:56:23.100 so now I believe everything

00:56:24.240 that's said in the documentary

00:56:25.180 like

00:56:26.540 things about Prince Andrew

00:56:27.900 and stuff like that

00:56:28.700 were talked about two years ago

00:56:30.160 and then like

00:56:31.360 would the queen

00:56:31.960 take away his

00:56:32.780 his status

00:56:33.780 and whatever it was

00:56:34.980 a lot of sneaky

00:56:36.700 let me just say

00:56:37.240 there's a lot of

00:56:38.880 like underground

00:56:39.780 sneaky stuff

00:56:40.800 that's happening

00:56:42.040 and it's all

00:56:43.000 somehow most of it's

00:56:44.680 because

00:56:44.940 most of it is

00:56:45.920 on not all of it

00:56:46.700 because there's some

00:56:47.180 conservatives that are like

00:56:48.620 you know

00:56:49.340 secretly gay

00:56:50.100 and pedophiles

00:56:50.940 or both

00:56:51.580 or whatever

00:56:52.020 no you can't be both

00:56:52.980 you know what I mean

00:56:53.380 they're secretly gay

00:56:54.140 or they're pedophiles

00:56:55.300 and they won't

00:56:55.680 you know

00:56:55.880 or

00:56:56.580 but most of these people

00:56:57.740 are like

00:56:58.100 more progressive

00:56:59.260 like most of these people

00:57:01.420 that are

00:57:01.680 that have these

00:57:03.460 sneaky side lives

00:57:05.280 or

00:57:06.480 you know what I'm trying to say

00:57:08.520 I know what you're trying to say

00:57:09.540 like a lot of them

00:57:10.080 are on the left

00:57:10.640 I'm thinking it through

00:57:11.020 I don't know how true

00:57:12.220 it depends on

00:57:13.020 again it depends on

00:57:13.800 the time period

00:57:14.380 like we've had

00:57:16.040 a lot of historical

00:57:17.200 like pedophilic abuses

00:57:20.920 revealed in this country

00:57:22.280 in the last 10-15 years

00:57:23.740 and a lot of those people

00:57:25.360 were very much

00:57:26.180 with the establishment

00:57:27.440 which would have been

00:57:28.260 more conservative

00:57:28.900 at the time

00:57:29.580 yeah

00:57:29.820 so I think it just depends

00:57:30.900 on who has power

00:57:31.820 actually

00:57:32.480 maybe

00:57:32.720 I think

00:57:33.340 so it kind of depends

00:57:34.540 if you are in power

00:57:35.420 you can get away with shit

00:57:36.860 basically

00:57:37.420 right

00:57:37.780 and there's nonsense

00:57:39.160 as we call them

00:57:39.860 on all sides

00:57:40.660 yeah of course

00:57:41.620 yeah yeah

00:57:42.100 it just I guess

00:57:42.740 it just happens

00:57:43.220 that in the states

00:57:43.720 right now

00:57:44.000 it's more progressively

00:57:44.660 yeah

00:57:45.000 so I think

00:57:45.540 that's what I've seen

00:57:46.180 yeah I don't think

00:57:46.800 being progressive

00:57:47.360 makes you a pedophile

00:57:48.300 no no no

00:57:48.900 I'm not right

00:57:49.460 no of course not

00:57:50.460 that's why I said

00:57:51.440 there's some conservatives too

00:57:52.640 I know

00:57:52.780 I just said that for a time

00:57:53.740 no yeah yeah

00:57:54.460 but that will be

00:57:55.180 the title of the episode

00:57:56.200 that will get views

00:57:59.920 yeah it will do

00:58:00.700 it will do incredibly well

00:58:01.660 only progressives are pedophiles

00:58:02.680 so good

00:58:06.400 that would be a great title

00:58:08.760 I mean the progressives

00:58:09.780 believe in like age

00:58:10.700 what do you call it

00:58:11.940 Marcus what was it

00:58:13.260 age regression

00:58:14.340 and like all these

00:58:15.360 like you can be age fluid

00:58:16.540 so

00:58:17.000 well that's the next thing

00:58:18.280 isn't it

00:58:18.540 if you can be a different sex

00:58:19.580 why can't you be a different age

00:58:20.800 why can't you be transracial

00:58:22.020 well Rachel Dolezal was apparently

00:58:24.280 yeah

00:58:24.780 you can be

00:58:25.960 dying her skin brown

00:58:27.080 what a great world we live in

00:58:29.160 so I

00:58:29.700 so what's your plan

00:58:31.500 with your YouTube channel

00:58:32.680 are you gonna

00:58:33.320 is this what you're gonna

00:58:34.340 continue to focus on

00:58:35.720 or

00:58:36.180 I think so

00:58:36.760 do you hope this shit is over

00:58:38.100 so you can go back

00:58:38.800 to talking about sex ed

00:58:39.760 no I like

00:58:40.400 this is job security for me

00:58:41.600 as much as I hate it

00:58:43.060 it's keeping me working

00:58:44.340 it's true

00:58:46.200 it is true

00:58:47.140 it's true

00:58:47.600 because

00:58:48.180 beforehand it was job security too

00:58:49.700 because it was all these

00:58:50.240 all these people on the right

00:58:51.700 this was years ago

00:58:52.640 on the right

00:58:53.920 hating us for being gay too

00:58:55.020 and now people on the left

00:58:55.800 hate me for being gay

00:58:56.600 it's the same shit

00:58:57.640 just coming from a different side

00:58:59.580 it's coming from a woke perspective

00:59:01.020 like

00:59:01.440 we mean this

00:59:02.240 because we're trying to help you

00:59:03.620 isn't that what the Christians

00:59:05.160 and Catholics

00:59:05.620 and

00:59:05.880 they would say the same shit

00:59:07.580 yeah

00:59:08.120 so it's just coming from the other side

00:59:09.400 we don't want you to be a racist

00:59:10.680 we don't want you to be transphobic

00:59:11.960 so we're just doing this to help you

00:59:13.420 it's no infected corporations

00:59:15.600 that's the

00:59:16.120 that's the amazing thing

00:59:17.540 yeah but when you go woke

00:59:18.560 you go broke

00:59:19.100 you know that right

00:59:20.620 like all these companies

00:59:21.520 that are going woke

00:59:22.100 are losing money

00:59:22.640 yeah

00:59:23.120 yeah

00:59:23.460 Disney

00:59:25.040 Netflix

00:59:26.200 Coke

00:59:26.760 remember what happened with Coke

00:59:28.380 no

00:59:28.820 like

00:59:29.140 you don't remember what happened with Coke

00:59:30.420 in Atlanta

00:59:30.840 they're based in Atlanta I think

00:59:32.080 it was like

00:59:33.040 there was like a woke racist

00:59:34.360 anti-white racist training

00:59:36.380 or whatever that went viral

00:59:37.380 you don't remember that

00:59:38.020 was it Coke or Pepsi

00:59:38.960 it was Coke

00:59:39.440 Coke yeah

00:59:39.920 and what happened

00:59:42.340 their stocks went down

00:59:44.460 right

00:59:44.880 they lost a lot of money

00:59:46.000 a lot of support

00:59:46.640 a lot of people were

00:59:47.440 giving them shit

00:59:48.460 like

00:59:49.300 rightfully so

00:59:50.460 they were telling people

00:59:51.660 how to be less white

00:59:53.120 oh I remember this now

00:59:54.240 yeah

00:59:54.400 but it doesn't even make sense

00:59:55.700 how can you be less white

00:59:56.860 like my skin didn't change any color

00:59:58.160 yeah

00:59:58.660 still white

00:59:59.240 yeah

00:59:59.700 unless they go out in the sun

01:00:00.680 but this is

01:00:01.320 this is what they've done

01:00:02.060 is they defined whiteness

01:00:03.380 as being

01:00:04.000 a state of mind

01:00:05.900 right

01:00:06.460 and therefore

01:00:07.100 if you change

01:00:08.020 the way you think

01:00:09.000 then you become less white

01:00:10.700 right

01:00:11.040 and then you're

01:00:11.840 you're absolved

01:00:13.160 of your many sins

01:00:13.820 exactly

01:00:14.220 the sin of whiteness

01:00:15.200 has been wiped away

01:00:16.360 which is the opposite

01:00:17.180 of what is reality

01:00:18.340 right

01:00:18.860 can't be less white

01:00:19.840 or less black

01:00:20.420 you just are

01:00:21.540 yeah

01:00:22.040 but this is going back

01:00:23.260 to that Rachel Dolezal comment

01:00:24.660 I watched a documentary

01:00:25.800 on Rachel Dolezal

01:00:26.700 and she was

01:00:27.680 and she was in the university

01:00:29.240 was it a university

01:00:30.180 that she was in

01:00:30.780 or she came to do a talk

01:00:31.940 about black studies

01:00:34.380 or something along those lines

01:00:35.500 oh god

01:00:36.000 and this was after

01:00:36.860 she was outed

01:00:37.640 and this student stood up

01:00:38.880 and went

01:00:39.160 you have no right

01:00:39.860 to call yourself black

01:00:40.760 I'm like correct

01:00:41.560 right

01:00:42.160 and then she went

01:00:43.080 you haven't earned

01:00:43.820 the right to be black

01:00:44.860 I'm like what

01:00:45.640 you haven't earned the right

01:00:47.820 that's not an earned right

01:00:48.920 it's just

01:00:49.300 it is

01:00:49.900 yeah

01:00:50.300 it's an existence

01:00:51.520 and it's just

01:00:53.320 it's so bizarre

01:00:53.720 but I think it comes back

01:00:55.140 to that point

01:00:55.700 that I made about

01:00:56.420 the bar person

01:00:58.440 at the theater

01:00:59.280 at one of our live shows

01:01:00.980 where it's about

01:01:02.260 opting out

01:01:03.240 of things

01:01:04.200 and opting into things

01:01:05.660 and I think

01:01:06.740 what people

01:01:07.400 which is so easy these days

01:01:08.460 because you don't even

01:01:09.200 have to do anything

01:01:09.860 to identify as something

01:01:10.840 right

01:01:11.060 you could just say it

01:01:11.800 and you have to believe it

01:01:12.480 and also I think

01:01:13.120 the more lives move online

01:01:14.520 the more

01:01:15.860 online

01:01:17.220 you are less constrained

01:01:18.260 by the parameters

01:01:19.340 of reality

01:01:20.020 like you could start

01:01:21.460 a Twitter account

01:01:22.760 or even

01:01:23.460 just to some extent

01:01:24.540 a YouTube channel

01:01:25.420 in which

01:01:26.580 nobody knows

01:01:27.620 what you look like

01:01:28.320 so you could be

01:01:29.680 like I could be

01:01:30.920 like a black lesbian

01:01:31.960 on Twitter

01:01:32.520 and it costs nothing

01:01:34.500 there's nothing

01:01:35.720 I have to do

01:01:36.280 I'm not constrained

01:01:37.140 by my body

01:01:37.860 I'm not constrained

01:01:38.460 by my genetics

01:01:39.140 I'm not constrained

01:01:39.780 by anything

01:01:40.260 and I think

01:01:41.080 the more

01:01:41.500 the online world

01:01:42.560 becomes the world

01:01:43.860 and the more people

01:01:45.480 are persuaded

01:01:47.640 that you can sort of

01:01:48.600 customize your experience

01:01:49.980 of life

01:01:50.520 by thinking

01:01:52.260 and having identities

01:01:53.580 the more

01:01:54.620 I think

01:01:55.080 you will see people

01:01:56.040 who are just

01:01:56.500 opting out

01:01:57.160 of reality

01:01:57.800 which is

01:01:58.760 what I think

01:01:59.640 is happening

01:02:00.080 so I'm very hopeful

01:02:02.480 that the pushback

01:02:03.340 that you're talking about

01:02:04.180 is coming

01:02:04.560 although

01:02:05.200 as always

01:02:05.880 with pushbacks

01:02:06.500 when the pendulum

01:02:07.160 swings back

01:02:07.960 it's going to go

01:02:08.880 the other way again

01:02:09.500 and you know

01:02:10.480 I hope it does

01:02:10.980 it's going to

01:02:11.820 overswing

01:02:12.280 it always does

01:02:13.320 it's going to

01:02:14.200 overswing

01:02:14.600 and you talk about it

01:02:15.580 yourself

01:02:15.780 the overcorrection

01:02:16.360 of it

01:02:16.680 yeah

01:02:17.520 the acceptance

01:02:18.540 of LGBT people

01:02:19.740 is going down

01:02:20.460 because it's

01:02:21.620 just become

01:02:22.360 too much

01:02:23.020 yeah

01:02:23.260 right

01:02:23.680 instead of just

01:02:24.460 going hey

01:02:24.820 can we just

01:02:25.260 all get on

01:02:25.820 with each other

01:02:26.300 and not treat

01:02:26.840 people differently

01:02:27.480 because of who

01:02:27.860 they are

01:02:28.300 it's now

01:02:28.960 suck the dick

01:02:29.620 bigger

01:02:29.900 yeah

01:02:30.340 right

01:02:30.580 yes

01:02:31.160 and people

01:02:31.860 don't want

01:02:32.200 to suck

01:02:32.440 the dick

01:02:32.840 don't want

01:02:34.960 not a fan

01:02:36.340 you know

01:02:37.620 I tried touching

01:02:38.800 one

01:02:39.180 I had it

01:02:39.840 on a video

01:02:40.240 it's on YouTube

01:02:40.760 and I just

01:02:41.520 I even had

01:02:42.200 difficulty doing

01:02:42.820 that

01:02:43.020 I'm not gonna

01:02:43.340 lie

01:02:43.560 what is that

01:02:46.860 I'm not a fan

01:02:48.980 yeah

01:02:49.220 that's what's

01:02:50.880 happening

01:02:51.120 but good news

01:02:51.860 for us

01:02:52.260 is that it's

01:02:52.980 still happening

01:02:53.400 so we get

01:02:53.900 to make more

01:02:54.220 videos about it

01:02:54.860 yeah

01:02:55.220 ain't that

01:02:57.740 the truth

01:02:58.180 well

01:02:58.820 I

01:02:59.780 but

01:03:00.360 if it came

01:03:01.520 to a toss-up

01:03:02.300 between

01:03:02.800 you know

01:03:03.840 society

01:03:04.940 not going

01:03:05.720 down the drain

01:03:06.540 yeah

01:03:06.980 I know

01:03:07.480 I know

01:03:07.820 we are being

01:03:09.340 you know

01:03:09.580 and it's a joke

01:03:10.160 I'm being facetious

01:03:11.000 yeah of course

01:03:11.780 we all are

01:03:12.640 I don't want

01:03:13.180 the world

01:03:13.420 go into shit

01:03:13.880 just so I can

01:03:14.260 make money

01:03:15.140 but also

01:03:15.880 I think you

01:03:16.660 and we

01:03:17.220 there's other shit

01:03:18.340 we want to talk about

01:03:19.360 yes exactly

01:03:19.960 when we started out

01:03:20.740 we were

01:03:21.100 and still

01:03:21.760 even now

01:03:22.280 regularly

01:03:22.600 we interview

01:03:23.180 evolutionary psychologists

01:03:24.740 evolutionary biologists

01:03:25.780 we want to understand

01:03:26.460 how people work

01:03:27.240 why are men different

01:03:28.260 why are brains

01:03:28.920 oh you had Colin

01:03:29.420 on the show

01:03:29.840 Colin

01:03:30.480 yeah yeah

01:03:30.980 but again

01:03:32.060 we have to talk to him

01:03:32.820 about fucking trans

01:03:33.780 I know

01:03:34.380 I want to talk to him

01:03:35.720 about actual shit

01:03:36.820 right

01:03:37.100 but we gotta

01:03:37.920 because we gotta

01:03:38.820 can you please prove to us

01:03:40.520 that men are different

01:03:41.320 from women

01:03:41.820 because some people

01:03:42.460 and he proves it

01:03:44.780 and he's still a bigot

01:03:45.520 right

01:03:45.820 why can't we just like

01:03:47.320 I'm more interested

01:03:48.520 in understanding each other

01:03:49.820 like why do women

01:03:50.760 behave in this way

01:03:51.560 generally

01:03:52.060 and why do men

01:03:52.780 behave in this way

01:03:53.360 and how can we

01:03:53.960 connect better

01:03:54.560 and how can we

01:03:55.240 coexist

01:03:55.660 and what about

01:03:56.840 like personal growth

01:03:57.860 and personal development

01:03:58.680 how do you overcome trauma

01:03:59.840 how do you

01:04:00.260 like you know

01:04:01.280 talk about

01:04:01.720 all these deeper conversations

01:04:02.720 that are not

01:04:03.300 yeah like about

01:04:04.220 you know

01:04:04.780 I want to get on somebody

01:04:06.520 who's been on a journey

01:04:07.720 through a difficult

01:04:08.880 journey in their life

01:04:10.200 and learn from them

01:04:11.440 how do you make

01:04:12.060 your life better

01:04:12.600 how do you help people

01:04:13.460 how do you

01:04:14.040 become more fulfilled

01:04:15.140 instead I've got to talk

01:04:16.420 about sucking dicks

01:04:17.280 it always comes back

01:04:18.960 to sucking dick

01:04:19.600 it does with me

01:04:21.000 it always comes back

01:04:21.720 it does with me

01:04:22.280 it really does

01:04:23.040 yeah

01:04:23.420 it's how things get done

01:04:25.000 I don't even know

01:04:26.880 what that means

01:04:27.380 I don't know either

01:04:28.140 but it made sense

01:04:28.880 you know what I mean

01:04:30.780 I don't want to be

01:04:31.860 talking about the culture war

01:04:32.840 I don't want to be

01:04:33.340 50 years old

01:04:34.060 and talking about

01:04:34.580 the culture war

01:04:35.280 yeah

01:04:35.760 can you imagine that

01:04:36.920 we're still in the same seat

01:04:38.120 just sitting here

01:04:39.000 just fat

01:04:39.740 with less hair

01:04:40.720 oh my god

01:04:41.820 still talking about

01:04:42.640 but here's the thing

01:04:43.860 that worries me

01:04:44.460 we're talking about things

01:04:45.820 that are genuinely nuts

01:04:47.480 yeah

01:04:48.260 objectively mental

01:04:49.780 right

01:04:50.260 and this is where

01:04:51.460 we are now

01:04:51.980 and if you think about

01:04:53.160 progressivism

01:04:53.980 or

01:04:54.440 the clue is in the word

01:04:56.900 it's progress

01:04:57.560 you're progressing somewhere

01:04:58.960 which makes me worried

01:05:00.440 it's great branding

01:05:01.460 by the way

01:05:02.080 incredible branding

01:05:02.860 great branding

01:05:03.620 nobody wants to be

01:05:04.800 because even the word

01:05:05.840 conservative sounds

01:05:06.840 kind of like

01:05:07.520 yeah

01:05:08.240 it does

01:05:09.420 it does

01:05:10.580 it's really

01:05:11.360 listen I went to school

01:05:12.520 and I studied advertising

01:05:13.760 great branding

01:05:14.920 the progressive movement has

01:05:15.920 terrible ideology

01:05:17.060 yeah

01:05:17.560 great branding

01:05:18.420 incredible

01:05:19.480 conservative

01:05:20.240 it's like what

01:05:20.760 conservative sounds like

01:05:21.900 we're shutting you out

01:05:22.640 yeah

01:05:23.120 we're conservative

01:05:23.900 and you're boring

01:05:24.880 you're tedious

01:05:25.400 you just do missionary

01:05:28.480 that's what conservatives do

01:05:30.260 you know what I mean

01:05:30.840 don't look each other in the eye

01:05:31.960 and get the act done

01:05:32.820 and there's hope for a baby

01:05:34.020 do a whole like juice

01:05:34.760 I feel like we're just

01:05:35.500 we're just giving away

01:05:36.440 our personal life here

01:05:37.380 basically

01:05:37.880 but

01:05:38.860 true

01:05:39.840 but

01:05:41.540 I hope not

01:05:42.260 I hope not

01:05:42.800 but

01:05:43.100 that's throwing me for a loop

01:05:45.200 but the thing that worries me

01:05:46.860 is

01:05:47.260 where are we progressing to

01:05:49.280 right

01:05:49.640 where are we going

01:05:50.620 if in 2022

01:05:51.420 we're doing this shit

01:05:52.420 we're doing this shit

01:05:53.460 you know

01:05:54.640 Leah Thomas

01:05:55.340 I'm a woman

01:05:56.120 dive in

01:05:57.040 smash all the female swimmers

01:05:58.540 right

01:05:58.940 where are we going to be

01:06:00.200 in five years

01:06:00.780 yeah

01:06:01.200 well you think

01:06:01.920 it's actually going to turn

01:06:02.720 I think it's

01:06:03.160 I think it's starting

01:06:03.840 to come back around

01:06:04.480 yeah

01:06:04.700 yeah

01:06:05.060 well that's why I say

01:06:06.600 you know

01:06:07.320 I hope we don't

01:06:08.580 throw the baby out

01:06:09.440 with the bath water

01:06:10.220 right

01:06:10.660 and I think that's

01:06:11.420 really important to say

01:06:12.600 yeah

01:06:13.140 because you're starting

01:06:13.860 to see like

01:06:14.640 like just like

01:06:15.660 keep the good stuff

01:06:16.320 toss the bad stuff

01:06:16.880 right

01:06:17.100 like we figured

01:06:17.800 we're figuring it out

01:06:18.800 you don't have to toss

01:06:19.640 all the good stuff out

01:06:20.400 right

01:06:20.600 toss all the good stuff

01:06:21.820 with the bad stuff

01:06:22.280 yeah

01:06:22.500 well exactly

01:06:23.180 because

01:06:23.480 it worries me

01:06:25.320 that like

01:06:25.880 we're going to get

01:06:26.400 to a position

01:06:26.920 it's like

01:06:27.360 oh the rainbow people

01:06:28.680 yeah they're all

01:06:29.420 they're all crazy

01:06:30.100 yeah

01:06:30.520 yeah that's what

01:06:31.020 I'm worried about too

01:06:31.600 why do you think

01:06:32.040 people like me

01:06:32.720 and Blair

01:06:33.000 and Buck

01:06:33.360 and Marcus

01:06:33.800 talk about these things

01:06:34.780 because we don't

01:06:35.920 we're damage control

01:06:36.960 we're literally

01:06:37.900 the damage control

01:06:38.680 of the gay community

01:06:39.440 of the LGBT community

01:06:41.680 and the thing

01:06:42.240 that I'm starting to see

01:06:43.360 is people just being

01:06:44.380 openly hateful now

01:06:46.140 of trans people

01:06:46.840 and going

01:06:47.200 oh yeah

01:06:47.880 these are the types

01:06:49.080 of people

01:06:49.480 this is what

01:06:50.120 they're doing

01:06:50.500 to our kids

01:06:51.000 I'm like

01:06:51.360 no no no

01:06:52.780 don't go there

01:06:53.940 right

01:06:54.360 please don't go there

01:06:55.580 defense mechanism

01:06:56.480 it's a defense mechanism

01:06:57.260 yeah

01:06:57.540 and it's understandable

01:06:58.460 because they see

01:06:59.700 like an enemy

01:07:00.180 they want to see

01:07:01.260 a very specific enemy

01:07:02.280 but that's not

01:07:02.740 but it's going to be

01:07:03.340 the trans people

01:07:04.140 and other people

01:07:05.320 who suffer as a result

01:07:06.680 yeah

01:07:07.020 that's exactly

01:07:07.740 we've been telling them

01:07:09.200 we have been telling them

01:07:10.260 for five years now

01:07:11.120 for five years

01:07:12.220 I've been making videos

01:07:13.020 about like trans issues

01:07:14.100 I didn't come out

01:07:15.160 as like a more

01:07:15.820 conservative person

01:07:16.560 until two years ago

01:07:17.640 but since 2015

01:07:18.880 I've been talking

01:07:19.500 about trans stuff

01:07:20.200 and basically telling people

01:07:22.740 like you need to calm down

01:07:23.780 because you're making it

01:07:25.060 and it's been proven

01:07:26.320 I've been

01:07:27.640 I don't want to be right

01:07:28.540 but I'm right

01:07:29.100 lower and lower every year

01:07:31.400 our acceptance rate

01:07:32.380 yeah

01:07:32.740 because of those people

01:07:33.560 not because of me

01:07:34.240 not because of me

01:07:35.520 we got

01:07:36.040 my generation of gay people

01:07:37.320 got gay rights

01:07:38.060 we got gay marriage

01:07:39.320 these new

01:07:41.180 this new generation

01:07:42.360 this whole

01:07:42.840 everybody could be

01:07:43.940 queer thing

01:07:45.440 whatever that is

01:07:46.760 no it doesn't even

01:07:47.780 mean anything

01:07:48.240 that's when it started

01:07:50.120 going downhill for us

01:07:51.060 so

01:07:52.900 I don't want to be right

01:07:54.680 I hate being right

01:07:55.300 in this case

01:07:55.760 it's not about

01:07:56.240 letting you go

01:07:56.800 well hopefully you're right

01:07:57.840 about the pendulum swinging

01:07:58.920 at least

01:07:59.440 I hope so

01:08:00.200 and then we'll be sitting here

01:08:01.640 pissing off all the people

01:08:02.760 that watch us now

01:08:03.680 going guys guys

01:08:04.580 slow down

01:08:05.140 don't go crazy

01:08:06.220 we've got to stay

01:08:07.180 in the sensible middle

01:08:08.000 yes

01:08:08.280 that's what will happen

01:08:09.020 I think so

01:08:09.860 best case scenario

01:08:10.640 yes best case scenario

01:08:11.720 best case scenario

01:08:12.340 that's what will happen

01:08:12.820 I hope so

01:08:13.100 well

01:08:14.260 that's it

01:08:15.840 I think that's a good note

01:08:17.600 to end on

01:08:18.020 I agree

01:08:18.380 but we do have

01:08:19.460 a lot of questions

01:08:20.700 from our audience

01:08:21.380 for locals only

01:08:22.300 which we'll ask in a sec

01:08:23.240 okay

01:08:23.500 but we forgot to warn you

01:08:24.720 about this

01:08:25.140 but you'll have an answer

01:08:26.100 the last question

01:08:26.880 we always ask is

01:08:27.740 what's the one thing

01:08:28.780 we're not talking about

01:08:29.740 as a society

01:08:30.500 that you think

01:08:31.020 we really should be

01:08:31.720 ooh

01:08:32.700 I don't know how to answer that

01:08:35.380 yeah

01:08:35.800 the one thing

01:08:36.940 that we should be talking about

01:08:37.940 that we're not

01:08:38.460 I mean I talk about everything

01:08:41.100 I feel like

01:08:42.000 I'll

01:08:42.700 okay

01:08:42.960 I guess you could

01:08:44.140 I think we need to talk more about

01:08:45.800 pedophiles

01:08:46.920 and people

01:08:47.920 people of power

01:08:48.780 I really do

01:08:49.900 because there's a lot of them

01:08:51.380 and I don't think anyone's covering it

01:08:52.700 we are

01:08:53.480 yeah

01:08:53.980 on raw

01:08:54.420 on raw

01:08:55.120 three nights a week

01:08:55.980 we just talk about pedophiles

01:08:57.360 that's it

01:08:58.000 nonce banter

01:08:59.040 nonce banter

01:08:59.780 as we call it

01:09:00.480 nonce is a great word

01:09:01.640 by the way

01:09:02.120 it's a British for pedophile

01:09:03.840 but it sort of sounds

01:09:04.900 less offensive

01:09:05.540 yeah

01:09:05.940 don't make it

01:09:07.940 listen

01:09:08.220 don't be calling them

01:09:09.160 apps and shit

01:09:09.720 like no

01:09:10.240 no

01:09:10.640 mono attracted pedophiles

01:09:12.620 no thank you

01:09:13.200 no let's not

01:09:13.720 let's not do it

01:09:14.340 no no

01:09:14.840 there's no plans to do that

01:09:16.800 good

01:09:17.060 anyway we need to talk more

01:09:18.380 about pedophiles

01:09:19.000 yeah

01:09:19.240 and on that note

01:09:21.100 yeah

01:09:21.360 on that note

01:09:22.120 we are going to ask

01:09:23.520 Ariel a couple of questions

01:09:25.220 from you

01:09:25.880 for you for locals

01:09:26.880 in a second

01:09:27.520 but thank you so much

01:09:28.540 for watching

01:09:28.920 we hope you've enjoyed it

01:09:29.700 we know you've enjoyed it

01:09:30.560 and we'll see you very soon

01:09:32.000 with another brilliant episode

01:09:33.100 like this one

01:09:33.760 or raw show

01:09:34.500 where we talk all about

01:09:35.560 them pedos

01:09:36.300 7pm UK time

01:09:38.680 and for those of you

01:09:39.740 who like your trigonometry

01:09:40.500 on the go

01:09:41.200 it's also available

01:09:41.980 as a podcast

01:09:42.860 take care

01:09:43.460 and see you soon guys

01:09:44.500 how do we work

01:09:47.420 with those who are

01:09:48.160 anti-LGBTQ

01:09:51.120 plus

01:09:51.620 for religious reasons

01:09:53.340 you

01:09:54.800 you

01:10:06.080 you

01:10:06.660 you

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TRIGGERnometry - June 16, 2022

＂Trans Ideology is the New Homophobia＂ - Arielle Scarcella

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