TRIGGERnometry - We Need a Cultural Resurrection

00:00:00.960 Rachel Sackley. She's a loudmouth bitch. 1.00

00:00:03.540 I mean, she's just like, you know. 1.00

00:00:05.940 Cutting edge diplomatic analysis there.

00:00:09.520 First thing they do is they come out and say,

00:00:10.760 well, this is not going to be the old Snow White

00:00:12.500 where the handsome prince comes.

00:00:14.060 So he means it's not going to be Snow White.

00:00:15.800 I don't want to minimize, so to speak,

00:00:17.820 Peter Dinklage's affliction.

00:00:22.180 The grim fairy tales come from women. 1.00

00:00:24.460 They're the stories that women told their children. 0.96

00:00:26.920 That's what they are.

00:00:27.700 If we've come to a point where we can't make fairy tales

00:00:31.380 without everybody saying, no, no, no, you can't say that.

00:00:34.320 We've come to a point where people are denying

00:00:36.340 the deepest truths about human beings.

00:00:39.200 I have a lot of hope that if the arts come back,

00:00:41.540 the West will come back.

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00:01:14.400 Dr. Klavan, welcome back to Trigonometry.

00:01:17.040 It's great to see you guys.

00:01:18.000 We hit you up every time we're in D.C.

00:01:20.000 You have kind of an interesting window

00:01:23.640 into the cultural dimension of the United States.

00:01:27.120 And frankly, we've been here for a week.

00:01:28.740 I have to say, every day,

00:01:30.680 we become aware more and more of our own ignorance

00:01:33.220 of what's going on.

00:01:33.960 Interesting, yeah.

00:01:34.620 Things are very complicated here

00:01:36.140 in a way that I think people underappreciate,

00:01:38.820 particularly in Europe.

00:01:39.520 One thing I would say definitely is,

00:01:42.600 I think before the last election,

00:01:46.100 it was kind of, you know,

00:01:47.120 we knew what President Trump was promising to do.

00:01:49.900 And now we're talking about like Greenland

00:01:51.460 and Canada becoming the 55th.

00:01:53.880 Like no one had that on their bingo card

00:01:57.100 or whatever the term is.

00:01:58.500 So what's going on in America?

00:02:02.500 What's going on?

00:02:03.320 Let me give it to you from my point of view.

00:02:06.100 I never wanted to be a political commentator.

00:02:08.800 I never wanted to be in front of a camera.

00:02:10.140 I'm a novelist.

00:02:11.000 I make up stories.

00:02:12.160 I did some screenwriting.

00:02:13.400 You know, that was basically my work.

00:02:15.380 When I came back from England,

00:02:16.860 where I lived through most of the 90s,

00:02:18.580 I found that the culture here

00:02:20.200 had become utterly corrupt.

00:02:22.140 Our news media was corrupt. 0.61

00:02:23.880 Hollywood was corrupt.

00:02:24.940 They were telling us things that weren't true. 0.93

00:02:26.220 Their stories were bad.

00:02:27.920 And when 9-11 happened,

00:02:31.500 there were people going,

00:02:32.660 they weren't quite saying it,

00:02:34.020 but they were basically saying we deserve it.

00:02:36.140 And I was a Democrat.

00:02:37.940 I was a liberal Democrat.

00:02:39.840 And I start to say,

00:02:40.860 well, you know, guys,

00:02:42.560 we didn't deserve it.

00:02:43.960 It's their fault. 0.68

00:02:45.120 They're bad.

00:02:46.140 They hate us because we're pretty good.

00:02:47.920 You know, we're kind of good.

00:02:49.360 You know, we're not great,

00:02:50.360 but we're the best around.

00:02:52.060 You know, we're as good as it gets.

00:02:54.020 And I start to say,

00:02:55.000 well, what happened?

00:02:56.120 You know,

00:02:56.840 and I started talking about the culture.

00:02:58.540 And when you talk to conservatives

00:02:59.460 about the culture,

00:03:00.120 because they were the only people

00:03:01.200 who would listen to me,

00:03:02.860 when you talk to them,

00:03:03.780 they're thinking like,

00:03:04.780 I'm sorry, I don't know.

00:03:06.140 Culture, how do you spell that?

00:03:07.340 You know, what is that like?

00:03:08.880 And so that's been my fight.

00:03:10.960 My fight has been

00:03:11.960 to get people to see

00:03:14.060 that they're being lied to every day

00:03:16.640 by a genuine,

00:03:18.940 it's not a,

00:03:19.520 it's a conspiracy of interests.

00:03:21.280 It's a conspiracy of people

00:03:22.340 who think the right is bad

00:03:24.640 and the left is good

00:03:25.940 and you can't go far enough left

00:03:28.080 to please them.

00:03:29.300 And it's all based on the fact

00:03:31.220 that leftism is good

00:03:32.300 for big corporations.

00:03:33.300 That's really the big thing about it.

00:03:34.760 They pretend it's not,

00:03:36.360 but it is.

00:03:37.900 The day Trump got reelected,

00:03:39.800 the night he got reelected,

00:03:41.340 I was the only person

00:03:42.080 in the Daily Wire

00:03:42.660 who knew he was going to get reelected

00:03:44.320 and knew he was going to get reelected

00:03:45.600 that night.

00:03:46.360 They literally told me,

00:03:47.520 we did a joint show

00:03:48.700 and they literally said to me,

00:03:49.880 that can't happen.

00:03:50.720 And I said, yeah,

00:03:51.220 that's what's going to happen.

00:03:52.020 He's going to win the popular vote.

00:03:53.600 He's going to win the electoral vote.

00:03:54.720 He's going to win it tonight.

00:03:55.780 You know,

00:03:56.020 when that happened,

00:03:57.600 a sense of peace

00:03:58.800 came down upon me

00:04:00.000 that I rarely experienced.

00:04:01.520 I just suddenly thought,

00:04:02.920 ah.

00:04:03.500 And the reason I thought that

00:04:04.900 had nothing to do

00:04:05.920 with Donald Trump,

00:04:06.940 although it couldn't have happened

00:04:07.800 without him

00:04:08.340 and without his incredible courage

00:04:10.380 and his incredible indomitable,

00:04:12.380 that indomitable personality

00:04:13.820 that has its good sides

00:04:15.320 and its bad side.

00:04:16.580 But it was like,

00:04:17.380 I thought we have rendered

00:04:18.900 the news media,

00:04:20.960 which is now a wholly corrupt

00:04:22.780 institution in America,

00:04:24.540 we have rendered it irrelevant.

00:04:26.100 And we did it

00:04:26.820 through the Daily Wire

00:04:27.640 and we did it

00:04:28.240 through other news media,

00:04:30.000 you know,

00:04:30.120 The Joe Rogan Show

00:04:30.920 and Megyn Kelly

00:04:32.320 and all these different voices

00:04:33.500 that still haven't got,

00:04:35.720 all put together,

00:04:36.620 haven't got the reporting power

00:04:38.280 of The New York Times.

00:04:40.020 You know,

00:04:40.260 they have more reporting power,

00:04:41.460 but we're able to debunk

00:04:42.760 what they're telling you

00:04:43.680 in real time.

00:04:45.000 So when they say,

00:04:46.380 you know,

00:04:46.860 Joe Biden's fine,

00:04:47.760 he's never been sharper,

00:04:48.740 we've got like 50 videos up

00:04:50.320 instantaneously

00:04:51.420 showing the guy drooling

00:04:52.900 and wandering around

00:04:53.660 with his finger up his nose

00:04:54.700 and having no idea

00:04:55.760 what the hell he's doing, 0.57

00:04:56.700 right?

00:04:57.360 And we broke them,

00:04:59.020 you know?

00:04:59.300 And so I felt like,

00:05:00.300 oh,

00:05:00.440 you know,

00:05:01.400 I was on the winning side

00:05:02.320 of that fight

00:05:02.820 and it always felt to me,

00:05:03.920 I would always compare it

00:05:04.680 to the American Revolution,

00:05:05.940 no offense,

00:05:06.820 but I compare it

00:05:07.540 to the American Revolution

00:05:08.480 that this was an empire

00:05:10.020 of lies,

00:05:11.140 this media,

00:05:11.880 and we were kind of

00:05:12.540 popping up from behind the trees

00:05:13.940 and taking these podcasts

00:05:14.980 and we beat them,

00:05:15.920 you know?

00:05:16.240 And so to me,

00:05:17.440 that's the big story.

00:05:18.980 That is a bigger story

00:05:20.120 than almost anything else

00:05:21.300 that's happening.

00:05:22.220 And I think it's great.

00:05:23.580 I think it's 100% great.

00:05:25.160 Yes.

00:05:25.600 You do?

00:05:26.300 Yes.

00:05:26.940 It's only a start

00:05:28.080 because we've only,

00:05:29.080 we've beaten them

00:05:29.640 but we haven't won,

00:05:30.480 which is two different things.

00:05:31.700 We have to build reporting power.

00:05:34.000 We have to get,

00:05:34.760 we have to,

00:05:35.700 if we can,

00:05:36.760 you know,

00:05:37.700 we have to get rid

00:05:38.660 of the voices

00:05:39.880 on the right 0.91

00:05:40.480 who are despicable, 0.69

00:05:41.280 you know, 0.99

00:05:41.460 the anti-Semites

00:05:42.420 and these,

00:05:43.220 the people who think like,

00:05:44.840 well,

00:05:44.960 they told us

00:05:45.660 we were racist

00:05:47.040 so we'll show them

00:05:47.920 what racist looks like.

00:05:48.800 The reactionaries,

00:05:49.520 the people who only

00:05:50.260 don't have anything positive

00:05:51.320 to say,

00:05:51.820 they're only reacting.

00:05:52.760 But still,

00:05:53.580 if we can become

00:05:54.320 the establishment news media

00:05:55.720 and maintain our commitment

00:05:58.300 to telling the truth

00:05:59.400 and to people being free,

00:06:00.940 this is,

00:06:01.400 this is not Europe.

00:06:02.360 We believe that the people

00:06:03.340 come first.

00:06:04.160 We are the sovereigns.

00:06:05.240 They just work for us,

00:06:06.160 right?

00:06:06.360 If we can get back

00:06:07.180 to that mindset

00:06:07.900 in the media

00:06:08.960 and start covering people,

00:06:10.560 you know,

00:06:12.060 from that point of view

00:06:14.440 so we criticize them

00:06:15.420 when they're off

00:06:15.880 that point of view

00:06:16.460 and we praise them

00:06:17.760 when they're

00:06:18.640 tending toward freedom,

00:06:20.100 I think that's going

00:06:21.520 to be a wholly positive,

00:06:23.240 100% positive development.

00:06:25.080 All right.

00:06:25.540 Well,

00:06:25.960 since you've insulted us twice,

00:06:27.640 first with the revolution comment

00:06:29.500 and then this is not Europe,

00:06:31.560 right?

00:06:31.800 I'm going to take you

00:06:32.660 to task on a few.

00:06:33.840 Look,

00:06:34.600 I think that,

00:06:37.340 I don't know

00:06:37.840 that I would say peace,

00:06:38.860 but we were in LA

00:06:39.880 when the election happened.

00:06:41.000 We were watching the results

00:06:42.220 and we both talked about it

00:06:43.600 on our show.

00:06:44.020 We both felt relief.

00:06:45.080 Yeah.

00:06:45.260 because this insanity

00:06:48.300 that we had just lived through

00:06:51.080 for eight,

00:06:53.000 maybe even longer years

00:06:54.020 was over.

00:06:55.340 You know,

00:06:55.700 it was clear that

00:06:56.520 all this woke nonsense, 0.99

00:06:58.180 the trans, 0.98

00:06:58.680 this was going to come to an end.

00:07:01.240 However,

00:07:01.780 the question I have for you,

00:07:03.100 Andrew,

00:07:03.600 and you're a very smart guy

00:07:04.740 who I really respect,

00:07:05.940 is do you think

00:07:08.400 that the stuff you talked about,

00:07:10.960 the reactionaries,

00:07:12.420 and look,

00:07:13.200 reactionary or not,

00:07:14.040 there are people

00:07:14.700 who've worked out

00:07:15.720 that the way to get attention

00:07:17.040 on the internet

00:07:17.700 is to say the crazy thing

00:07:19.360 and,

00:07:20.100 you know,

00:07:20.920 to under-index truth

00:07:22.140 if we're being generous

00:07:23.080 and to over-index sensationalism,

00:07:25.200 right?

00:07:25.880 Do you think

00:07:26.700 that's maybe a feature

00:07:28.040 and not a bug

00:07:29.020 of the transformation

00:07:29.880 that's happened?

00:07:32.100 Well,

00:07:32.700 only time will tell,

00:07:33.840 but here's why I'm hopeful.

00:07:35.740 This is,

00:07:36.280 a lot of it,

00:07:36.980 the result of a new technology

00:07:38.500 that is as dynamic

00:07:40.100 and kinetic

00:07:41.600 as the printing press.

00:07:43.200 The internet,

00:07:44.040 changes everything,

00:07:45.340 right?

00:07:45.560 It's just a complete game changer

00:07:47.400 in every possible way.

00:07:49.560 And so,

00:07:50.200 those guys get their strength

00:07:51.640 from the lies

00:07:52.720 that we're being told.

00:07:54.560 So,

00:07:55.240 you would say,

00:07:56.140 you know,

00:07:56.840 the welfare state

00:07:57.660 can be dangerous

00:07:58.220 because it gives the government

00:07:58.900 too much power. 0.99

00:08:00.620 You're racist.

00:08:01.460 Not,

00:08:02.100 I disagree because of business, 0.99

00:08:03.320 but you're racist, 0.94

00:08:03.960 right?

00:08:04.400 And you'd say,

00:08:04.960 well,

00:08:05.140 men can't become women. 1.00

00:08:06.100 Oh my God, 0.99

00:08:06.760 you're transphobic. 0.79

00:08:07.860 They'd make up,

00:08:08.660 they'd make up these things

00:08:10.160 that you had.

00:08:12.560 It's a natural reaction

00:08:13.980 to that

00:08:14.500 to say like,

00:08:15.960 oh,

00:08:16.280 you call me racist

00:08:17.340 while you're,

00:08:17.960 you know, 0.97

00:08:18.160 blacks. 0.92

00:08:18.560 Let me tell you 0.98

00:08:18.980 about the blacks,

00:08:19.800 you know,

00:08:20.000 like in other words,

00:08:20.740 to break the chains

00:08:22.020 that they put you in.

00:08:23.380 The only person

00:08:24.340 who did it effectively

00:08:24.920 was Donald Trump.

00:08:26.100 I mean,

00:08:26.940 it's amazing what he did.

00:08:28.520 You know,

00:08:28.700 it's amazing the fact

00:08:29.760 that he just didn't,

00:08:30.780 it wasn't,

00:08:31.680 he's not a racist,

00:08:32.640 he's a New Yorker,

00:08:33.340 you know,

00:08:33.700 he talks like every New Yorker

00:08:36.480 I've ever met,

00:08:37.160 you know,

00:08:37.720 and,

00:08:38.140 and he would just sort of say

00:08:39.780 what he was going to say

00:08:40.700 and they threw everything at him

00:08:42.980 and look what they did to him.

00:08:44.260 They prosecuted him

00:08:45.480 on felonies that don't exist.

00:08:47.560 I had a dissociative moment

00:08:49.220 when a judge said to the jury,

00:08:50.700 you don't have to know

00:08:51.340 what you're convicting him of,

00:08:53.360 just convict him of something.

00:08:54.520 The judge actually said that,

00:08:55.860 you know,

00:08:56.140 and I kind of thought like,

00:08:57.160 what country am I in?

00:08:58.040 Where,

00:08:58.220 you know,

00:08:58.380 where am I?

00:08:59.260 They shot him,

00:09:00.260 you know,

00:09:00.640 they did it

00:09:01.060 and he just stood still

00:09:02.860 and kept going.

00:09:04.940 That to me is the answer.

00:09:06.280 That's the right answer.

00:09:07.280 I'm going to say

00:09:08.140 what I have to say

00:09:08.920 no matter what you say.

00:09:10.160 These guys that we're talking about,

00:09:11.740 the anti-Semites 0.97

00:09:12.580 and the racists 0.96

00:09:13.500 and the,

00:09:13.900 and the people who,

00:09:14.680 Andrew Tates 0.96

00:09:15.580 who hate women 0.99

00:09:16.560 and talk about women 1.00

00:09:17.460 like they're dirt 1.00

00:09:18.080 and all this stuff,

00:09:18.640 you know,

00:09:18.920 stuff I can't stand.

00:09:20.480 They're reactionaries.

00:09:21.660 They don't exist

00:09:22.580 if that system of lies

00:09:24.900 and censorship

00:09:25.500 is not in place.

00:09:27.280 Break that

00:09:28.040 and build up

00:09:29.220 the fact-gathering

00:09:30.680 powers of the,

00:09:33.240 let's call them

00:09:34.100 center right

00:09:34.600 or the normal right.

00:09:36.700 They won't have a chance.

00:09:38.260 They'll just be,

00:09:38.780 you know,

00:09:39.500 Why not?

00:09:40.640 Because we talk about

00:09:41.900 this new technology.

00:09:43.960 Look,

00:09:44.420 Francis and I

00:09:45.280 are part of this world

00:09:46.460 as you are

00:09:47.420 and we know

00:09:48.620 that if we,

00:09:49.680 if we had someone on

00:09:51.320 to talk about

00:09:52.260 how Jeffrey Epstein

00:09:53.780 is secretly behind

00:09:55.080 the transgender epidemic 1.00

00:09:56.380 and he did it together

00:09:57.680 with Iran

00:09:58.460 and Israel

00:09:59.400 and,

00:10:00.400 you know.

00:10:01.340 It'd be a hell of an episode.

00:10:02.400 It'd be a hell of an episode.

00:10:04.260 That's going to get

00:10:05.100 a lot more clicks

00:10:06.000 than someone coming in

00:10:07.000 and talking about,

00:10:08.320 let's say,

00:10:08.760 even why those arguments

00:10:10.340 are not true.

00:10:11.020 Right.

00:10:11.440 Right?

00:10:12.060 So,

00:10:12.720 how certain are you

00:10:15.340 that this medium

00:10:16.240 that is now dominant

00:10:17.500 in terms of

00:10:18.740 the media we consume

00:10:20.140 is actually not

00:10:21.980 itself prone

00:10:23.160 to promoting

00:10:24.020 the voices

00:10:24.540 that you dislike so much?

00:10:25.620 It's a perfectly good question

00:10:26.520 when you say certain.

00:10:27.640 It's the future,

00:10:28.320 so I'm not certain at all.

00:10:29.340 The future is always,

00:10:30.300 you know,

00:10:30.620 uncertain.

00:10:31.240 Yeah.

00:10:31.740 But,

00:10:32.420 this remains

00:10:33.380 a very,

00:10:34.220 very pleasant country,

00:10:37.200 America.

00:10:37.720 You know,

00:10:37.860 you get out of L.A.,

00:10:38.700 you get out of New York,

00:10:39.560 you go to the middle

00:10:40.120 of the country.

00:10:40.680 People,

00:10:41.220 you know,

00:10:41.520 they call them racist.

00:10:42.580 Oh,

00:10:42.840 they fly over country. 1.00

00:10:43.660 They're all racist. 0.99

00:10:44.180 Go ahead and go talk to them. 0.99

00:10:46.000 You know,

00:10:46.560 they're married,

00:10:47.420 they're intermarried,

00:10:48.260 they don't,

00:10:48.660 they have neighbors

00:10:49.740 of all different colors.

00:10:50.900 It's not that country anymore.

00:10:52.300 It's not in the heat

00:10:54.020 of a different country

00:10:54.560 and it's always been

00:10:55.480 kind of a decent country

00:10:56.940 underneath it.

00:10:57.800 So,

00:10:58.200 I have faith,

00:10:58.980 you know,

00:10:59.260 when you ask,

00:10:59.760 am I certain?

00:11:00.380 No,

00:11:00.600 I have faith

00:11:01.100 that cooler minds

00:11:03.380 will prevail.

00:11:04.660 The people who believe

00:11:05.900 in this stuff 1.00

00:11:06.640 are so stupid. 1.00

00:11:09.280 I mean, 1.00

00:11:09.460 I've been getting 0.98

00:11:09.980 just crap 1.00

00:11:11.080 from the anti-Semis 1.00

00:11:11.900 because these people 1.00

00:11:12.740 are idiots 1.00

00:11:13.260 and it's funny, 1.00

00:11:14.300 they don't have low IQs.

00:11:15.620 They're just caught

00:11:16.280 in a maze

00:11:16.860 that has no exit

00:11:17.620 so everything comes back,

00:11:18.920 you know,

00:11:19.120 no matter which road

00:11:20.200 you come down,

00:11:20.980 you come back

00:11:21.420 to reconfirming

00:11:22.440 all your prejudices. 1.00

00:11:24.020 And it makes you dumb 1.00

00:11:24.960 after a while. 0.99

00:11:25.800 I mean,

00:11:25.980 you got people

00:11:26.460 talking about,

00:11:27.500 oh,

00:11:27.660 you know, 0.98

00:11:28.020 the Jews built a bomb 1.00

00:11:29.120 so they could bomb Nagasaki. 0.94

00:11:31.360 And you go like,

00:11:32.260 oh my God,

00:11:33.220 you know.

00:11:33.760 And the facts

00:11:34.720 do have an effect

00:11:35.780 on that over time.

00:11:36.860 Obviously,

00:11:37.360 a lie gets around the world

00:11:38.380 before the facts

00:11:39.060 get their pants on.

00:11:40.180 But still,

00:11:41.060 the facts do have

00:11:41.860 an effect over time.

00:11:43.560 And,

00:11:44.000 you know,

00:11:45.440 there's an answer

00:11:46.000 to those things,

00:11:46.820 you know.

00:11:47.080 It's like,

00:11:47.560 the guy who dropped

00:11:48.300 the bomb was a Catholic. 0.66

00:11:49.380 He wasn't aiming

00:11:49.940 for the cathedral.

00:11:50.820 It was cloud cover

00:11:51.840 and the clouds

00:11:52.640 opened up

00:11:53.100 over the cathedral.

00:11:53.620 You know,

00:11:54.100 it's like,

00:11:55.180 all those things

00:11:55.980 that they build up,

00:11:57.180 most of them

00:11:57.840 have never read a book.

00:11:59.380 And ultimately,

00:12:00.900 if you put together

00:12:01.720 the people

00:12:02.100 who have read books

00:12:03.100 and who can get

00:12:04.220 on the ground

00:12:04.920 instead of having

00:12:06.580 all commentary,

00:12:07.500 which is what the right

00:12:08.200 has been up till now

00:12:09.420 because we just

00:12:09.800 have another power.

00:12:11.120 But if you start

00:12:11.620 to collect reporters

00:12:12.400 who go on the ground

00:12:13.060 and say,

00:12:13.300 here's what's happening

00:12:14.040 over here.

00:12:14.480 It's a little complex,

00:12:15.400 but we can explain it to you.

00:12:16.800 I don't know.

00:12:17.480 I think those guys

00:12:18.080 fade away.

00:12:18.980 They fade to the margins.

00:12:20.020 They'll always be here.

00:12:20.880 You know,

00:12:21.120 they're bad guys

00:12:21.980 and they'll always

00:12:22.500 have bad guys.

00:12:23.580 But I think they fade

00:12:24.560 to the margins.

00:12:25.240 So I have faith.

00:12:26.260 I'm not absolutely certain

00:12:27.760 we may become fascists

00:12:29.440 and, you know,

00:12:30.040 I don't know.

00:12:31.160 But like,

00:12:31.540 I don't think so.

00:12:33.200 And Andrew,

00:12:34.000 what do you make

00:12:34.840 of the religious right

00:12:36.700 at the moment?

00:12:38.240 And there have been movements

00:12:40.400 and there have been talks

00:12:41.300 about what changes

00:12:42.740 they want to implement

00:12:43.680 in America.

00:12:45.080 We've seen with some of them

00:12:46.480 they were saying,

00:12:47.100 you know,

00:12:47.340 that they want to reduce

00:12:49.320 the abortion laws

00:12:50.780 to minimum three terms

00:12:52.480 or maximum

00:12:53.060 at the end of the first term,

00:12:56.080 it may be.

00:12:57.080 So what do you make

00:12:58.060 of them broadly as a whole?

00:12:59.360 Well,

00:12:59.680 I have a very specific idea

00:13:01.840 about this.

00:13:02.440 I mean,

00:13:02.720 and it's different

00:13:03.520 than probably most people

00:13:04.940 you will talk to.

00:13:05.920 I think we're at the beginning

00:13:07.280 of a genuine religious reawakening.

00:13:10.560 And I think it's based

00:13:11.260 on one thing,

00:13:12.740 which is that the science

00:13:14.680 is there.

00:13:16.200 The science up till now,

00:13:17.800 the sort of Newtonian science,

00:13:19.280 which is,

00:13:19.560 you know,

00:13:20.200 more than 100 years

00:13:21.260 out of date,

00:13:22.800 sort of gave people

00:13:24.620 the impression

00:13:25.200 that the things you read

00:13:26.100 in the Bible aren't so,

00:13:28.420 you know,

00:13:28.620 they're like,

00:13:28.940 that's not the way

00:13:29.460 the world works.

00:13:30.180 It works in a much

00:13:30.700 more mechanical way.

00:13:32.620 Science since then

00:13:33.540 and since Einstein

00:13:34.420 has really changed that

00:13:36.000 and all those arguments,

00:13:37.300 those kind of assumptions

00:13:38.060 have gone away.

00:13:39.060 And I'm a very deep believer

00:13:40.300 that God is real.

00:13:41.160 And when I say that,

00:13:42.340 I don't mean like,

00:13:43.700 I believe that

00:13:44.400 because it makes me feel better,

00:13:45.300 the culture is better,

00:13:46.180 or because it gives me comfort

00:13:47.480 and it actually is

00:13:48.200 kind of a pain in the neck.

00:13:50.020 I believe it's as real

00:13:51.000 as gravity.

00:13:51.620 You can't see it,

00:13:52.540 but you don't want

00:13:53.180 to jump off a roof.

00:13:55.680 And so I think

00:13:56.400 that we are in the,

00:13:57.900 it's happening already.

00:13:59.500 We're in the midst

00:14:00.100 of something I've been

00:14:01.080 predicting for a long time,

00:14:02.100 which is a reawakening

00:14:03.100 from the top down.

00:14:04.140 The intellectuals

00:14:05.060 are going to start converting.

00:14:06.540 And this is the same thing

00:14:07.380 that happened

00:14:07.840 in the early 19th century

00:14:10.260 with the Oxford movement

00:14:11.220 in England.

00:14:12.300 You know,

00:14:12.720 suddenly people are going

00:14:13.480 to say,

00:14:13.920 oh, wait,

00:14:14.480 you know,

00:14:15.000 the assumptions

00:14:16.260 that have been

00:14:17.100 the default

00:14:20.000 for intellectuals

00:14:21.620 have actually collapsed

00:14:22.640 underneath us.

00:14:23.380 And it's already,

00:14:23.920 this is already happening.

00:14:25.460 You should read,

00:14:26.560 well,

00:14:26.760 you should read my son's book,

00:14:27.920 Light of the Mind,

00:14:28.500 Light of the World,

00:14:29.260 and also Ross Douthat's book,

00:14:31.280 Believe,

00:14:31.660 both really interesting books

00:14:33.060 about this.

00:14:34.360 And so I think

00:14:35.780 that that's a thing

00:14:36.640 that is happening.

00:14:37.340 That's one thing

00:14:37.840 that's happening.

00:14:40.120 Religion does have

00:14:42.860 its fundamentalist,

00:14:45.860 its small-mindedness,

00:14:47.140 its abuses and all that.

00:14:48.660 And those things,

00:14:49.480 again,

00:14:49.720 are going to come up

00:14:50.580 with this movement.

00:14:52.820 I think they're going

00:14:53.740 to have their place.

00:14:54.480 This is a multifaceted country.

00:14:56.900 This is not a country

00:14:57.540 with a single culture.

00:14:58.840 It's a country

00:14:59.380 with a million cultures

00:15:00.400 spread out over

00:15:01.140 a huge,

00:15:02.220 vast,

00:15:02.680 you know,

00:15:02.900 area.

00:15:03.480 And so I think

00:15:04.320 they're going to have

00:15:05.100 their places.

00:15:06.340 But I would like

00:15:08.880 to see a little bit less

00:15:10.020 of the craziness

00:15:10.900 in high places.

00:15:12.780 You know,

00:15:13.040 I would like to see

00:15:14.380 somebody of solid

00:15:16.500 and stolid faith

00:15:17.980 come into office

00:15:19.140 and just say,

00:15:20.640 yes,

00:15:20.860 we are going to talk

00:15:21.720 about God.

00:15:22.320 We're going to say,

00:15:23.300 you know,

00:15:23.480 like the transgender thing 1.00

00:15:24.740 is a perfect example.

00:15:26.260 The right has a tendency

00:15:27.280 to say,

00:15:27.900 well,

00:15:28.040 it's bad for you

00:15:28.880 or it's unnatural.

00:15:31.000 And I said,

00:15:31.500 you know,

00:15:31.740 it's no more unnatural

00:15:32.640 than air conditioning,

00:15:33.760 which I like.

00:15:34.800 You know,

00:15:35.020 that's not the argument.

00:15:36.060 The argument is,

00:15:36.760 it's a good thing.

00:15:37.760 Creation is a good thing.

00:15:38.860 And men and women

00:15:39.400 are a good thing.

00:15:40.400 You know,

00:15:40.600 the world was made

00:15:41.660 to be good.

00:15:42.340 It was not made

00:15:42.960 to be bad.

00:15:43.600 It gets corrupted,

00:15:44.640 but it was made

00:15:45.160 to be good.

00:15:46.120 And men and women

00:15:47.280 are actually,

00:15:47.900 the fact that there

00:15:48.700 are men and women

00:15:49.140 is actually

00:15:49.560 the most joyful

00:15:50.840 aspect of human life,

00:15:52.520 mortal life.

00:15:53.200 And that's a better argument.

00:15:56.040 And I think that those

00:15:56.960 are the kinds of arguments

00:15:57.720 I want to see people make.

00:15:58.780 I want to see people

00:15:59.340 talk about religion

00:16:00.240 as if it were the case,

00:16:02.840 which is the way

00:16:03.300 I think about it

00:16:04.100 and the way I think

00:16:04.920 people should talk about it.

00:16:06.500 So,

00:16:06.960 the media hates God

00:16:09.920 because it means

00:16:10.800 that you can't do

00:16:11.560 what the media

00:16:12.020 wants you to do,

00:16:12.900 which is screw everybody 1.00

00:16:14.000 and change your sex 1.00

00:16:14.840 and cut your children's 1.00

00:16:15.960 penises off. 1.00

00:16:16.680 And that's basically

00:16:17.480 what they're playing for,

00:16:18.620 you know.

00:16:19.060 So,

00:16:19.320 they don't like God.

00:16:19.960 They don't like creation.

00:16:20.720 They actually are,

00:16:22.320 the people who say

00:16:23.260 that the left,

00:16:24.000 leftism or wokeism

00:16:25.260 is a culture of death

00:16:26.640 are right.

00:16:27.500 It is a culture of death.

00:16:28.440 It's based on abortion. 1.00

00:16:29.600 It's based on,

00:16:30.400 you know,

00:16:30.780 nobody has a human nature.

00:16:34.260 It's based on the idea

00:16:35.260 that marriage and children

00:16:37.420 take you away

00:16:38.740 from the fun things in life.

00:16:40.060 It's a culture of death.

00:16:41.860 And I think that

00:16:44.160 what the media does

00:16:48.400 is if you have

00:16:49.920 50 religious people

00:16:51.640 and this guy over here 1.00

00:16:53.280 is a lunatic, 1.00

00:16:55.120 they crowd around him 1.00

00:16:56.600 and it makes religion,

00:16:57.640 you know,

00:16:58.360 look like that.

00:16:59.180 If there's something

00:17:00.260 that they think people

00:17:01.080 will feel as small-minded,

00:17:02.760 like the dislike 0.99

00:17:04.560 of homosexuals,

00:17:05.960 not dislike,

00:17:06.840 the disapproval

00:17:07.640 of homosexuality, 0.91

00:17:08.880 that's the only question

00:17:10.200 they'll ask you.

00:17:10.940 They won't ask you

00:17:11.740 why are you a Christian, 0.55

00:17:12.800 what is it you think

00:17:13.600 the world,

00:17:14.580 what do you think

00:17:15.260 are the spiritual facts

00:17:16.480 of the world?

00:17:17.220 It's immediately,

00:17:17.920 stick a mic in your phone,

00:17:18.860 a microphone in your face

00:17:20.500 and say,

00:17:21.780 you know,

00:17:22.520 why don't you like gays? 0.99

00:17:23.720 And then take a picture 1.00

00:17:24.420 of a teardrop

00:17:25.000 running down the cheek 0.99

00:17:25.700 of a gay person 1.00

00:17:26.380 and that's the end 0.90

00:17:27.920 of the...

00:17:28.460 To be fair to them,

00:17:30.280 though, Andrew,

00:17:30.920 it's not as if,

00:17:32.260 as we say in the UK,

00:17:33.520 where I'm from,

00:17:34.260 there hasn't been previous.

00:17:36.580 You know?

00:17:37.280 I agree, yeah.

00:17:38.180 But I mean,

00:17:39.860 this religion,

00:17:41.280 Christianity,

00:17:41.920 which I believe

00:17:42.460 is the right religion,

00:17:43.520 has been around

00:17:43.960 for 2,000 years.

00:17:45.300 So like a boat

00:17:46.720 that comes in to shore

00:17:47.760 and it's got barnacles

00:17:48.540 on the side,

00:17:49.260 it's got things on it

00:17:50.100 that are out of date,

00:17:51.420 you know,

00:17:51.700 that are not necessarily

00:17:53.520 inherent in the religion

00:17:56.280 and that are also open

00:17:57.720 to question in the religion,

00:17:59.080 I think.

00:18:00.500 And so, yeah,

00:18:01.860 I think it's nice

00:18:03.940 that we now hear

00:18:05.000 Christians say, 0.91

00:18:06.160 well,

00:18:06.300 love the sinner

00:18:06.920 but hate the sin.

00:18:08.940 But that's not

00:18:09.320 what they always said.

00:18:09.960 They used to say, 0.94

00:18:10.540 set that guy on fire.

00:18:11.520 That's not as appealing

00:18:14.340 to me,

00:18:14.780 you know,

00:18:15.000 as a religious point of view.

00:18:16.260 And so I think

00:18:16.720 these things,

00:18:17.440 you know,

00:18:17.840 require open discussion

00:18:19.720 but the one thing

00:18:21.360 you will notice,

00:18:22.100 and I don't know,

00:18:22.640 this didn't seem to me

00:18:24.080 to be true

00:18:24.460 when I lived in Britain,

00:18:25.860 but the one thing

00:18:26.480 you will notice here

00:18:27.120 is discussion

00:18:27.840 is discouraged.

00:18:29.400 It is not just

00:18:30.600 that it doesn't happen,

00:18:32.380 it is almost forbidden,

00:18:34.320 you know,

00:18:34.620 and this wasn't true

00:18:35.540 when I was a kid

00:18:36.200 but it's true now

00:18:37.340 that,

00:18:39.080 you know,

00:18:40.700 there's a debate

00:18:42.260 about in vitro fertilization,

00:18:44.840 you know,

00:18:45.360 it has these embryos,

00:18:47.280 are they people,

00:18:48.080 what do you do with them?

00:18:49.040 It's a perfectly

00:18:49.740 reasonable conversation

00:18:50.800 to have.

00:18:51.260 This is an ethical,

00:18:52.300 a deep ethical question

00:18:54.520 that should be,

00:18:55.440 where do you see

00:18:56.000 anybody debating this?

00:18:56.860 Once again,

00:18:57.380 it's like,

00:18:57.620 I call this teardrop journalism.

00:18:59.120 It's like,

00:18:59.400 you know,

00:18:59.520 there's a teardrop

00:19:00.120 running down a woman 0.98

00:19:00.960 who can't have children

00:19:01.740 and there's a tear

00:19:02.440 running down,

00:19:02.900 isn't that terrible?

00:19:03.820 That's,

00:19:04.060 you know,

00:19:04.220 IVF is good

00:19:04.960 or you're a Nazi, 0.62

00:19:06.580 you know? 0.88

00:19:06.840 That's the way

00:19:07.480 we talk in America.

00:19:08.300 I think it's big,

00:19:09.280 help me here,

00:19:10.520 Andrew,

00:19:10.760 because I always love

00:19:11.640 discussing this stuff

00:19:13.020 with you.

00:19:13.540 You're someone

00:19:13.960 who actually does

00:19:14.920 like discussion

00:19:16.320 and genuine conversation

00:19:17.600 even with people

00:19:18.620 where there's disagreement

00:19:19.400 where you're being presented

00:19:20.260 with these different arguments.

00:19:21.680 So,

00:19:21.960 I think the central theme

00:19:23.980 of the progressive project

00:19:25.640 has been

00:19:26.360 maximum liberty for all

00:19:27.980 without regard

00:19:30.140 to any of the costs.

00:19:32.060 And

00:19:32.480 when we talk about IVF

00:19:35.180 or you talk about abortion

00:19:36.420 or when you talk about

00:19:38.180 gay marriage even 0.98

00:19:39.420 to some extent,

00:19:41.960 a more religious perspective

00:19:43.580 that comes with

00:19:44.740 the religious revival

00:19:45.680 which you described

00:19:46.840 as happening

00:19:47.300 and we certainly,

00:19:48.440 that's one of the things

00:19:49.180 that has been quite stark

00:19:50.340 for us on this visit,

00:19:52.340 just noticing

00:19:53.380 that that is happening.

00:19:55.240 Particularly in the halls

00:19:56.180 of power,

00:19:57.480 actually,

00:19:58.260 as you said,

00:19:58.760 at the top of the tree,

00:20:00.080 so to speak.

00:20:00.480 those things

00:20:02.280 are naturally likely

00:20:03.640 if that realignment

00:20:04.840 happens

00:20:05.340 to lead to a reduction

00:20:06.440 of liberty

00:20:06.900 for some people.

00:20:09.140 And

00:20:09.740 you can see

00:20:10.860 why people

00:20:11.340 who've been marinating

00:20:12.220 in a world

00:20:13.080 of maximizing

00:20:14.300 for liberty

00:20:14.980 would be

00:20:16.780 concerned

00:20:17.640 about that.

00:20:19.200 and

00:20:20.360 the

00:20:21.640 very predictable

00:20:23.900 problem

00:20:24.400 with the woke

00:20:25.240 craziness

00:20:26.020 is that

00:20:27.120 it would

00:20:27.940 piss so many people

00:20:29.020 off so much

00:20:29.760 that eventually

00:20:30.340 there would be

00:20:30.760 a snapback

00:20:31.360 and that snapback

00:20:32.060 would not necessarily

00:20:32.960 be back to the middle,

00:20:35.160 so to speak.

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00:22:10.160 what do you think

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00:22:11.680 Bitcoin is sort of

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00:22:14.160 I think it would come down

00:22:15.460 to precious metals.

00:22:16.760 I hope we don't

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00:22:18.860 I would say land

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00:22:21.460 Technology companies.

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00:22:23.600 Robotic pollinators

00:22:24.960 might be a thing.

00:22:26.200 A wrestler

00:22:26.620 to face a robot?

00:22:27.900 That will have to happen.

00:22:29.520 So,

00:22:30.240 whatever you think

00:22:31.360 is going to happen

00:22:32.100 in the future,

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00:22:37.460 Liberty got.

00:22:38.380 And I believe that.

00:22:39.340 In fact,

00:22:39.600 I always say in politics,

00:22:41.140 I had,

00:22:41.560 my show was on,

00:22:42.560 my podcast was on

00:22:43.320 The Daily Wire

00:22:43.700 four days a week

00:22:44.440 and I went to them

00:22:45.400 and I said,

00:22:45.780 you know,

00:22:45.880 I just don't have

00:22:46.340 this many opinions.

00:22:47.060 I really only have

00:22:49.060 one opinion,

00:22:49.680 which is people should be free.

00:22:50.660 You know,

00:22:50.760 people should have choices.

00:22:52.380 However,

00:22:53.560 people are corrupt 0.96

00:22:54.600 and sinful 1.00

00:22:56.120 and broken

00:22:56.580 and they do terrible things

00:22:58.500 to one another.

00:22:59.340 So,

00:22:59.540 obviously,

00:22:59.940 they can't be totally free.

00:23:01.260 And so,

00:23:01.620 the question is always,

00:23:02.640 where does the freedom start?

00:23:04.620 Of course.

00:23:05.100 And a really good way

00:23:06.720 to talk about this

00:23:07.440 is to talk about abortion,

00:23:08.560 which I believe

00:23:09.160 is an atrocity.

00:23:10.520 I believe it's a horrible,

00:23:11.840 horrible thing.

00:23:12.720 I also believe

00:23:13.740 that you can't outlaw it

00:23:17.040 at a time

00:23:19.220 when people think

00:23:20.100 it's a human,

00:23:21.420 not just good,

00:23:22.260 but a human right.

00:23:23.580 So,

00:23:24.040 you have people

00:23:24.440 who think,

00:23:25.040 like me,

00:23:26.080 this is killing people.

00:23:27.060 This is killing innocent people.

00:23:28.160 The one person in the room

00:23:29.060 who has no voice,

00:23:29.940 who has no vote,

00:23:30.800 who has no power,

00:23:31.800 is not the woman,

00:23:32.780 it's the baby.

00:23:33.660 You know,

00:23:33.820 that's it.

00:23:34.540 And so, 1.00

00:23:34.740 you kill him 1.00

00:23:35.080 because he can't say anything. 1.00

00:23:36.520 He can't say,

00:23:37.040 please don't kill me,

00:23:38.160 you know.

00:23:38.880 And so,

00:23:39.580 that's my point of view.

00:23:41.560 And then you have

00:23:41.980 other people saying,

00:23:43.260 you know,

00:23:43.460 you are taking away

00:23:44.240 my bodily autonomy.

00:23:46.020 And the fact that

00:23:46.680 it's not her body,

00:23:47.540 it's actually a body

00:23:48.160 living inside her body,

00:23:49.280 doesn't seem to register.

00:23:50.260 And so,

00:23:51.420 I think these are

00:23:51.980 cultural battles.

00:23:53.540 And a lot of people

00:23:54.160 on the right

00:23:54.600 disagree with me.

00:23:55.780 You know,

00:23:56.080 they think,

00:23:56.700 no,

00:23:56.840 we need a court order

00:23:58.300 just saying this is

00:23:59.580 the right to life

00:24:00.800 and you cannot

00:24:01.500 kill a baby. 0.95

00:24:02.920 And I get that. 1.00

00:24:03.740 I do.

00:24:04.420 Because it's got,

00:24:05.160 I was talking to my wife

00:24:05.940 about this.

00:24:06.320 It's kind of like John Brown.

00:24:07.560 You know, 0.99

00:24:08.160 he's nuts 1.00

00:24:09.020 and he's violent, 1.00

00:24:10.560 but he's right.

00:24:11.460 You know,

00:24:11.700 and so,

00:24:12.040 how do you deal with that?

00:24:13.300 And I think we could use

00:24:14.700 a lot less nuts

00:24:15.880 and a lot less violence

00:24:17.440 and more like people

00:24:18.880 of goodwill

00:24:19.940 sitting down together

00:24:20.840 and saying,

00:24:21.620 you know,

00:24:22.220 how do we reach a place

00:24:23.600 that we can all live with?

00:24:25.100 So,

00:24:25.620 you've got to convince people

00:24:26.960 and you've got to show people

00:24:28.240 the truth.

00:24:29.560 There's a reason

00:24:30.200 pro-abortion people

00:24:31.420 knock over stands

00:24:32.980 that have pictures

00:24:33.700 of babies.

00:24:36.180 You know,

00:24:36.620 because once you see it,

00:24:37.400 you think like,

00:24:37.880 oh,

00:24:37.960 wait,

00:24:38.360 I think we're winning

00:24:39.760 that argument,

00:24:40.860 but people jump the gun

00:24:42.200 and people say,

00:24:42.680 we're going to outlaw this

00:24:43.760 and all this

00:24:44.280 and the women get hysterical 0.99

00:24:45.940 and they say,

00:24:46.360 you know,

00:24:46.500 no,

00:24:46.680 no.

00:24:47.040 And I don't know the women, 1.00

00:24:47.920 it's the men really

00:24:48.720 because they're like,

00:24:49.440 you know,

00:24:49.620 no,

00:24:49.840 then I'd have to take care

00:24:50.640 of this child.

00:24:53.300 You have to be able to talk

00:24:54.940 even in a case like this,

00:24:56.620 I believe is an extreme case

00:24:58.180 of hundreds of thousands

00:25:00.660 of babies being killed

00:25:01.660 every year,

00:25:02.600 600,000,

00:25:03.520 I think in America,

00:25:04.600 close to 700,000

00:25:05.680 and millions around the globe.

00:25:07.560 It's an extreme

00:25:08.640 emergency situation.

00:25:10.460 You still have to talk

00:25:12.280 and work out your ideas.

00:25:13.980 I mean,

00:25:14.580 you don't have a choice.

00:25:16.000 The only other choice

00:25:17.060 is civil war

00:25:17.760 and that to me

00:25:18.980 is worse

00:25:19.520 almost than anything.

00:25:21.280 So,

00:25:21.780 so that's,

00:25:22.440 that's my feeling about this

00:25:24.020 that yes,

00:25:24.620 there are people,

00:25:26.120 religious people

00:25:26.960 who just are absolutists.

00:25:28.560 I'm not.

00:25:29.440 I feel like,

00:25:30.660 you know,

00:25:31.760 you have to stand with God,

00:25:33.040 but you have to stand with God

00:25:34.020 in such a way

00:25:34.540 that you can talk to people

00:25:35.660 and show them

00:25:37.180 why you think

00:25:38.160 what you think

00:25:38.740 and hopefully

00:25:40.100 the right wins out.

00:25:41.440 You know,

00:25:41.640 I mean,

00:25:41.900 I don't,

00:25:42.540 I don't know any other way

00:25:43.560 to do it 0.98

00:25:44.000 except start shooting 0.99

00:25:44.920 at people. 0.96

00:25:46.520 And like,

00:25:47.060 when I look back

00:25:47.620 on the,

00:25:47.860 on the civil war,

00:25:49.400 you know,

00:25:50.000 this,

00:25:50.800 I think,

00:25:51.260 what would have happened

00:25:52.080 if there had been

00:25:52.560 no civil war?

00:25:53.180 Would the slaves 0.79

00:25:53.640 not have been freed?

00:25:55.580 I don't think,

00:25:56.180 I don't think that's right.

00:25:57.100 I think they might have been freed.

00:25:58.840 You know,

00:25:58.960 maybe,

00:25:59.540 you know,

00:25:59.960 Lincoln was,

00:26:00.500 was saying like,

00:26:01.320 don't start fighting.

00:26:02.220 I'm not going to

00:26:02.740 take your slaves away. 0.52

00:26:03.820 If they had listened to Lincoln,

00:26:04.980 maybe,

00:26:05.320 you know,

00:26:06.180 maybe it would,

00:26:06.900 there would be less bitterness now

00:26:08.660 and,

00:26:09.080 and maybe the,

00:26:11.140 whatever it was,

00:26:11.660 700,000 people

00:26:12.820 who were killed

00:26:13.300 in the civil war

00:26:13.840 wouldn't have died.

00:26:14.760 You know,

00:26:15.020 so I'm,

00:26:15.360 I'm very much about

00:26:16.420 like the culture.

00:26:17.940 You know,

00:26:18.500 how do you get your message out

00:26:20.080 in such a way

00:26:21.160 that people start to think,

00:26:22.640 all right,

00:26:22.960 wait a minute,

00:26:23.520 maybe I've got this wrong.

00:26:24.900 I think part of the fear

00:26:26.600 from people on the left,

00:26:27.780 Andrew,

00:26:28.180 is they listen to you

00:26:29.380 and they are reassured

00:26:32.220 and go,

00:26:32.820 go,

00:26:33.040 well,

00:26:33.140 this guy's evidently reasonable.

00:26:34.840 He has his opinions,

00:26:36.060 but he's able to sit down

00:26:37.460 and explain

00:26:38.080 and we're going to be able

00:26:39.120 to come to some kind of,

00:26:41.100 right,

00:26:41.660 you know,

00:26:42.100 an agreement of some sorts

00:26:43.820 where nobody's happy

00:26:45.180 but that's fine

00:26:46.400 because that's the nature

00:26:47.680 of the agreement.

00:26:48.460 Right.

00:26:49.360 But there is an inflexibility

00:26:51.560 amongst a more hard line

00:26:53.660 that simply won't allow it

00:26:55.860 and they will look at those people

00:26:57.840 as being the majority

00:26:58.780 and being,

00:27:00.020 seeing you

00:27:00.460 as being an enlightened minority.

00:27:02.140 Well,

00:27:02.940 let's be clear

00:27:04.160 that the hard liners

00:27:05.760 are on both sides.

00:27:06.740 I mean,

00:27:07.500 there's no way

00:27:08.280 you can say

00:27:08.940 that somebody who thinks

00:27:09.940 this is my right 1.00

00:27:10.740 to kill this child 1.00

00:27:11.600 is not a hard liner 1.00

00:27:12.480 on that side

00:27:13.160 if you're looking at it

00:27:14.140 from the right side.

00:27:15.080 So,

00:27:15.420 yeah,

00:27:15.700 there are hard liners

00:27:16.340 on both sides

00:27:16.960 and you have to hope

00:27:18.300 that cooler heads prevail

00:27:19.500 and one of the things

00:27:20.940 about democracy

00:27:23.240 when it's actually working

00:27:24.740 is that it's kind of conducive

00:27:27.020 to convincing people

00:27:28.860 and that's why

00:27:30.320 I hate this idea

00:27:31.020 when people say,

00:27:32.140 when people compare politics

00:27:33.240 to war,

00:27:34.400 I always think,

00:27:35.000 no,

00:27:35.180 in war you're trying 0.93

00:27:35.840 to kill the other guy. 0.92

00:27:36.940 Here you're trying 0.88

00:27:37.400 to convince the other guy.

00:27:38.420 It's different.

00:27:39.480 And one of the reasons

00:27:41.840 I think where I started,

00:27:43.860 the idea of the media

00:27:45.560 being broken

00:27:46.720 is so important

00:27:49.180 is because they were,

00:27:50.780 the media in this country

00:27:52.940 has been responsible

00:27:54.000 for almost all of the hatred,

00:27:56.100 all of the anger,

00:27:57.240 all of the division.

00:27:58.120 I blame NBC,

00:27:59.660 ABC,

00:28:00.200 CBS,

00:28:00.660 the New York Times

00:28:01.180 and the Washington Post

00:28:01.920 for almost all of it

00:28:03.300 because they live off it,

00:28:06.520 they spur it on

00:28:08.060 and they only represented

00:28:10.000 one side,

00:28:10.800 which was the left,

00:28:11.820 so that the right

00:28:13.360 was furious all the time.

00:28:15.040 And when you're furious, 1.00

00:28:15.860 you say stupid things 1.00

00:28:16.760 and right-wingers 1.00

00:28:17.300 would say stupid things. 1.00

00:28:18.320 So, like, 1.00

00:28:19.260 I think if we could,

00:28:20.900 Trent,

00:28:21.240 if we could reform the press,

00:28:22.920 I think a lot of it

00:28:23.840 would change.

00:28:24.520 Consider just this.

00:28:25.300 I don't know if we've

00:28:25.860 talked about this before,

00:28:26.600 but, you know,

00:28:27.240 you're a comedian.

00:28:28.420 I think comedy is huge,

00:28:30.260 part of our culture.

00:28:32.260 Every late-night comedian

00:28:33.520 made fun of Donald Trump

00:28:35.320 and supported the Democrats.

00:28:37.080 So you come to the end

00:28:38.100 of a long day

00:28:38.920 and you turn on the TV

00:28:40.000 and you say,

00:28:40.660 oh, I just want to watch

00:28:41.280 one of these late-night shows.

00:28:42.020 Just, you know,

00:28:42.660 what I used to do,

00:28:43.280 watch the monologue

00:28:44.040 and go to bed, you know.

00:28:45.700 And all you hear is, 1.00

00:28:46.600 you're an idiot. 1.00

00:28:47.460 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:28:48.420 You know, 1.00

00:28:48.680 only the people

00:28:49.320 on the other side are smart. 1.00

00:28:50.400 Your candidate sucks. 1.00

00:28:51.740 You're a Trump. 1.00

00:28:52.180 You like Trump? 1.00

00:28:52.740 You suck, you know. 1.00

00:28:53.660 That's all you heard. 1.00

00:28:55.060 What do you think

00:28:55.580 that does to people,

00:28:56.500 you know?

00:28:56.720 I mean, that's bad for people

00:28:58.060 and that's what they were hearing

00:28:58.980 from the news.

00:28:59.900 That's what they were hearing

00:29:00.720 from the entertainers.

00:29:02.100 That's what they were hearing

00:29:02.700 when the Oscars would go on,

00:29:04.680 you know.

00:29:04.860 And the fact that those people

00:29:06.440 have been stripped

00:29:07.080 of cultural power

00:29:08.100 is a wonderful opening

00:29:10.360 for people on the other side

00:29:12.280 to say what I've been saying

00:29:13.480 a long time ago.

00:29:13.820 I don't want the left

00:29:14.420 to stop making movies.

00:29:15.740 I want the right

00:29:16.540 to start making movies.

00:29:17.600 I don't want the left

00:29:19.260 to not have comedians.

00:29:20.720 I don't want the right

00:29:21.300 to have comedians, you know.

00:29:22.920 That's what I want.

00:29:23.800 I want everybody

00:29:24.500 to have a voice.

00:29:25.800 And I think when everybody

00:29:26.660 has a voice,

00:29:27.800 a lot of that extremism

00:29:29.040 starts to melt away.

00:29:30.840 And that's what I'm looking for.

00:29:32.320 That, to me,

00:29:32.960 is the answer.

00:29:33.440 I think all that extremism,

00:29:35.780 that rigidity

00:29:36.940 that you're talking about

00:29:37.780 has been created

00:29:39.820 by this left-wing

00:29:42.360 cultural monopoly.

00:29:45.260 And I think it's been,

00:29:47.120 it's almost hard to think.

00:29:48.220 Like, whenever people

00:29:48.820 criticize Donald Trump

00:29:49.940 and, you know,

00:29:50.480 he's got all the power,

00:29:52.020 he should be criticized, you know.

00:29:53.240 But whenever they criticize him,

00:29:54.480 my first thought is,

00:29:55.320 wait a minute.

00:29:56.680 Joe Biden was probably

00:29:57.920 the worst president

00:29:58.820 this country ever had. 1.00

00:30:00.520 He was a corrupt man 0.99

00:30:02.040 from his very beginnings. 1.00

00:30:04.860 He's a mean-spirited

00:30:06.360 little man.

00:30:06.900 This idea that he was

00:30:07.520 Uncle Joe,

00:30:08.300 Lunchbox Joe,

00:30:09.000 all lies.

00:30:09.980 This guy has been

00:30:10.620 on the take

00:30:11.260 for 50 years in government.

00:30:13.100 He has just been

00:30:13.640 riding off the government tit

00:30:15.100 for his entire career.

00:30:17.000 And he's been a,

00:30:18.640 you know,

00:30:18.800 taking graft

00:30:19.600 and he's been doing

00:30:20.120 all this stuff.

00:30:21.040 And he censored people.

00:30:23.120 He persecuted Donald Trump.

00:30:24.980 He prosecuted him

00:30:25.780 for fake crimes.

00:30:27.140 He said,

00:30:27.920 we're going to investigate.

00:30:28.640 His Justice Department

00:30:30.440 investigated Catholics

00:30:31.500 for being Catholic.

00:30:32.680 Investigated parents

00:30:33.520 for trying to stand up

00:30:34.360 for their children in school.

00:30:35.600 It was a terrible administration.

00:30:37.860 But in the press,

00:30:39.280 it was fine.

00:30:40.160 In the press,

00:30:41.100 he was great.

00:30:41.860 You know,

00:30:42.180 everything was fine.

00:30:42.960 It's just Donald Trump

00:30:43.640 was the problem,

00:30:44.260 you know.

00:30:44.900 So,

00:30:45.460 that atmosphere

00:30:47.260 has got to go.

00:30:49.000 I'm thrilled

00:30:49.820 that people make jokes

00:30:50.700 about Donald Trump

00:30:51.620 as long as they make jokes

00:30:52.500 about Joe Biden.

00:30:53.280 I'm thrilled

00:30:53.840 that people expose

00:30:55.000 something that Trump did wrong

00:30:56.180 as long as when

00:30:57.040 the Democrats get in,

00:30:57.980 it's not suddenly

00:30:58.740 the Wizard of Oz

00:31:00.000 and everything is great.

00:31:00.960 You know,

00:31:01.080 we're on the yellow brick road.

00:31:02.760 That, to me,

00:31:03.480 is the problem.

00:31:04.320 This is,

00:31:05.220 you were talking about

00:31:05.960 the internet

00:31:06.440 and whether it actually

00:31:07.360 is prone to this.

00:31:09.040 I think what is causing it

00:31:11.280 is the domination

00:31:12.580 by,

00:31:14.320 of the culture

00:31:15.100 by the left,

00:31:15.880 by one side.

00:31:16.760 And if it were

00:31:17.160 the right dominant,

00:31:17.900 it would be the same problem,

00:31:18.820 just the other way.

00:31:20.160 And the internet has,

00:31:21.840 might possibly break this.

00:31:23.240 I mean,

00:31:23.820 the biggest thing

00:31:24.580 that happened

00:31:25.140 in this battle

00:31:26.720 that I was in

00:31:27.720 to take back the culture 0.99

00:31:29.120 was Elon Musk

00:31:30.140 taking over Twitter.

00:31:31.840 And suddenly,

00:31:33.380 this guy who was,

00:31:34.200 he was,

00:31:34.600 they loved him on the left.

00:31:35.900 He was going to solve

00:31:36.540 global warming.

00:31:37.520 He had clean cars.

00:31:38.640 He was cool.

00:31:39.660 He was going to Mars

00:31:40.520 and all this stuff.

00:31:41.460 Suddenly,

00:31:41.860 they were investigating

00:31:42.760 his businesses.

00:31:43.700 The government was that.

00:31:44.920 Why?

00:31:45.480 Not because he was

00:31:46.300 a right winger,

00:31:46.920 but because he let

00:31:47.800 right wingers talk.

00:31:49.040 They turned him

00:31:49.820 into a right winger

00:31:50.560 because he thought,

00:31:51.100 oh,

00:31:51.460 all the censorship is here.

00:31:53.620 That's what's got to change.

00:31:54.580 And a lot of the problems

00:31:56.280 that you're noticing,

00:31:57.260 they won't vanish,

00:31:58.520 but a lot of those problems

00:31:59.560 that you're noticing

00:32:00.080 of rigidity and division

00:32:02.480 were caused

00:32:03.900 by the monopoly

00:32:05.200 of cultural power

00:32:06.720 that the left held.

00:32:08.060 There is another dimension

00:32:09.040 to this,

00:32:09.580 Andrew,

00:32:09.800 I would put it to you,

00:32:10.700 which is something

00:32:11.480 we've talked to a few people about.

00:32:13.240 It was Andrew Schultz

00:32:14.120 that mentioned it on our show.

00:32:15.920 Charlemagne mentioned it

00:32:16.920 on our show.

00:32:17.360 Different people,

00:32:18.300 which is the economic reality

00:32:19.700 for many,

00:32:20.240 many people.

00:32:21.420 And I don't,

00:32:22.600 I'm still trying to work out,

00:32:23.740 so I'm only putting this

00:32:24.560 as a question,

00:32:25.340 but I can't understand

00:32:27.160 if it's a cultural thing

00:32:28.420 or if it's something

00:32:29.340 that I notice more

00:32:30.200 because it's happening more.

00:32:31.200 But just walking around

00:32:32.600 in the different cities

00:32:33.960 of America now,

00:32:35.160 I agree with you,

00:32:36.280 especially the further

00:32:37.240 into the center of America

00:32:38.700 you go,

00:32:39.120 the lovelier people are.

00:32:40.420 And generally,

00:32:41.080 you can go into most places

00:32:42.280 and find wonderful people,

00:32:43.740 really warm,

00:32:44.540 generous.

00:32:45.380 But out on the street,

00:32:46.740 I just see all the time

00:32:49.340 that there's a latent anger

00:32:51.620 everywhere.

00:32:52.860 Interesting.

00:32:53.140 We were taking a walk here

00:32:54.940 this morning

00:32:55.460 and a guy in his 70s

00:32:56.920 said something

00:32:57.640 that we thought was to us.

00:32:59.060 And we looked back

00:32:59.960 and he was like,

00:33:01.060 what are you looking at?

00:33:01.840 And I like started,

00:33:02.940 and we see a lot of that.

00:33:04.880 Yeah.

00:33:05.420 And I guess what I'm trying

00:33:06.620 to get at is,

00:33:07.300 do you think that's just like

00:33:08.200 us Brits being uncomfortable

00:33:10.240 with it?

00:33:10.820 No.

00:33:11.360 Or is there something

00:33:12.300 that's latent

00:33:13.180 that's going on

00:33:14.080 that people are hurting,

00:33:15.140 people are struggling,

00:33:16.780 people don't feel like

00:33:17.840 the American dream

00:33:18.660 is reality,

00:33:19.660 but actually is becoming

00:33:20.640 more of a dream

00:33:21.580 at this point.

00:33:23.180 Do you get any sense

00:33:24.800 of what I'm talking about?

00:33:25.560 Yeah, no.

00:33:25.720 The country's deeply broken

00:33:27.440 and we wouldn't have had

00:33:28.720 a president like Biden

00:33:30.500 if it weren't.

00:33:32.020 I mean,

00:33:32.240 and I think that

00:33:33.540 one of the things

00:33:35.140 that was so frustrating

00:33:36.220 about the Biden administration

00:33:37.280 is people like me

00:33:39.160 kept saying,

00:33:40.180 this economy doesn't work.

00:33:41.580 It's great for me.

00:33:43.280 You know,

00:33:43.640 I have investments,

00:33:44.400 the stock market's

00:33:45.320 doing great,

00:33:45.960 but the way prices

00:33:48.480 are going up,

00:33:49.300 the inflation,

00:33:50.120 is destroying people's savings.

00:33:52.280 And so people are sitting down

00:33:53.440 and on their plate

00:33:55.320 at dinner

00:33:55.880 is less food.

00:33:57.600 And so,

00:33:58.380 help me God,

00:33:59.440 the people on the networks

00:34:00.420 are going,

00:34:00.660 the economy is great.

00:34:01.860 I don't know why

00:34:02.540 people are complaining.

00:34:03.960 People are going,

00:34:04.640 wait,

00:34:04.820 here's my plate,

00:34:05.520 here's your face,

00:34:06.580 you know,

00:34:06.800 making a zillion dollars

00:34:07.880 on TV,

00:34:08.700 and you're telling me

00:34:09.520 my plate is full

00:34:10.260 and my plate is empty.

00:34:11.180 And I just wouldn't go like,

00:34:13.320 is nobody,

00:34:14.060 does nobody care

00:34:14.920 about these guys?

00:34:15.900 And the answer is no,

00:34:16.580 they don't care.

00:34:17.160 They just care about

00:34:18.000 their little,

00:34:18.500 you know,

00:34:19.000 enclave.

00:34:20.020 And they're so shocked,

00:34:21.880 like the people

00:34:22.380 in the movie business

00:34:23.220 are so shocked

00:34:24.440 that nobody's going

00:34:25.120 to the movies.

00:34:26.240 And it's like,

00:34:26.620 why? 1.00

00:34:26.900 Because you suck, 1.00

00:34:27.820 you people. 1.00

00:34:28.320 You don't pay attention.

00:34:29.400 You know,

00:34:29.580 the old guys would come in, 0.99

00:34:31.400 those old Jews 1.00

00:34:32.140 who built,

00:34:32.860 you know,

00:34:33.500 who built Hollywood

00:34:34.280 would come and say,

00:34:35.140 what does the audience want?

00:34:36.180 Oh,

00:34:36.300 they want a Catholic priest?

00:34:37.060 Bing Crosby's a Catholic priest?

00:34:38.100 Give him a Catholic priest.

00:34:38.800 They love that,

00:34:39.260 you know,

00:34:39.740 he just wanted to make things

00:34:41.080 that people wanted to buy.

00:34:42.420 These guys are like,

00:34:43.680 you know,

00:34:44.400 oh,

00:34:44.680 you don't like seeing,

00:34:45.820 you know,

00:34:45.980 a black and white couple.

00:34:46.940 Every couple's going to be 0.55

00:34:47.740 black and white.

00:34:48.300 You think like,

00:34:50.120 yeah,

00:34:50.240 that's entertainment,

00:34:51.040 you guys,

00:34:51.620 you know?

00:34:52.020 So,

00:34:52.720 so I think that,

00:34:53.820 yes,

00:34:54.040 there's a lot of anger

00:34:55.120 and the economy

00:34:56.660 is in serious trouble.

00:34:58.440 We are in such debt.

00:35:00.620 You know,

00:35:01.140 when they always say

00:35:02.020 that the formula

00:35:02.700 is when you're servicing

00:35:04.040 your debt,

00:35:05.240 when servicing your debt

00:35:06.080 is more expensive

00:35:06.780 than the money

00:35:07.220 you pay for defense,

00:35:08.060 that's when your country

00:35:09.380 collapses.

00:35:10.000 And that happened to us

00:35:10.780 only about a year ago,

00:35:12.540 two years ago,

00:35:13.060 something like that.

00:35:14.120 And,

00:35:14.600 and I think that

00:35:15.900 that's government spending,

00:35:17.140 you know,

00:35:18.120 because I'm getting taxed 50%.

00:35:19.460 I mean,

00:35:20.080 if you taxed George Washington

00:35:21.640 15%,

00:35:22.260 he would show up

00:35:22.840 at your house

00:35:23.480 with like guys

00:35:24.540 with bloody feet 0.99

00:35:25.340 and they'd blow your head off. 1.00

00:35:26.720 I know, 0.89

00:35:27.000 that's gratitude for you.

00:35:28.220 And every time

00:35:30.180 I would hear Joe Biden

00:35:30.980 say,

00:35:31.280 you know,

00:35:31.420 pay your fair share,

00:35:33.040 you know,

00:35:33.440 like I would think

00:35:34.080 fair share of what?

00:35:35.220 What am I paying

00:35:35.720 my fair share of?

00:35:36.820 I say,

00:35:37.040 you're not helping anybody.

00:35:38.160 You're not making

00:35:38.660 anybody's life better.

00:35:39.920 You know,

00:35:40.320 why should I pay 50?

00:35:41.380 Why should I pay you

00:35:42.240 to do what you're doing?

00:35:43.600 You're doing,

00:35:44.140 and now we see

00:35:44.860 with Elon Musk,

00:35:46.180 we see,

00:35:46.560 I was right.

00:35:47.200 They're not doing anything.

00:35:48.200 So all of that stuff

00:35:49.540 sucks the air

00:35:51.080 out of the economy.

00:35:52.680 And what I think

00:35:53.460 Trump is doing

00:35:54.180 and why I think

00:35:54.760 the stock market

00:35:55.440 is fluctuating

00:35:56.140 and all this is,

00:35:57.220 the stock market

00:35:57.760 doesn't care

00:35:58.180 whether it's getting

00:35:58.660 its money from Washington

00:35:59.540 or from,

00:36:00.620 you know,

00:36:01.080 General Motors.

00:36:01.680 They don't care

00:36:02.040 where the money

00:36:02.500 is coming from.

00:36:04.220 But in fact,

00:36:05.140 it matters that we make stuff

00:36:06.580 and the stuff is good.

00:36:08.360 And I think

00:36:09.040 that's what Trump

00:36:09.760 is trying to,

00:36:10.600 a transition Trump

00:36:11.580 is trying to work out.

00:36:13.600 If industry comes back

00:36:15.760 and it's so mechanized

00:36:19.140 that people still

00:36:20.380 don't have jobs,

00:36:21.720 then we'll really

00:36:22.380 have a problem.

00:36:23.480 But if you bring

00:36:24.620 back jobs

00:36:25.360 and if you bring back,

00:36:26.680 you know,

00:36:28.180 creativity

00:36:28.720 and if we actually

00:36:30.440 get off the planet

00:36:31.480 and start building

00:36:32.260 things out in space,

00:36:33.140 which I think

00:36:33.460 would be great,

00:36:34.080 you know,

00:36:34.460 then I think

00:36:35.220 it'll change.

00:36:36.480 You know,

00:36:36.560 the country is stagnant

00:36:37.760 because our idea

00:36:39.660 has been stagnant.

00:36:40.860 I mean,

00:36:41.000 this is one of the things

00:36:42.000 when I was in Britain,

00:36:42.920 it always used to bother me.

00:36:44.020 I loved living in Britain,

00:36:45.660 first of all,

00:36:46.200 let me say,

00:36:46.740 the people especially.

00:36:48.100 But the buildings

00:36:49.060 are beautiful

00:36:49.580 and all this stuff.

00:36:50.540 But I used to think like

00:36:51.420 if everything is a landmark

00:36:53.020 and you can't change anything,

00:36:54.460 essentially you're dead, 0.62

00:36:55.820 right?

00:36:56.140 I mean,

00:36:56.720 you've got to build

00:36:57.540 new things.

00:36:58.280 There's got to be

00:36:59.260 creation.

00:36:59.600 You're so American.

00:37:02.000 He's also right.

00:37:03.040 Yeah,

00:37:03.300 after a while

00:37:03.700 you're a museum,

00:37:04.500 right?

00:37:04.660 Yeah.

00:37:05.060 And so that's the left.

00:37:06.640 Like,

00:37:06.740 oh,

00:37:06.820 you can't build that.

00:37:07.540 That'll make the air smoky.

00:37:09.200 The air will get smoky,

00:37:10.140 we'll invent some technology

00:37:11.180 that cleans it up.

00:37:12.100 You know,

00:37:12.280 you have too many cars,

00:37:13.920 you can't breathe in LA,

00:37:15.060 you invent the catalytic converter

00:37:16.980 and suddenly the smoke

00:37:17.760 goes away,

00:37:18.500 you know?

00:37:19.100 It's like human ingenuity

00:37:21.060 is,

00:37:22.260 there's no bottom to it,

00:37:23.740 you know?

00:37:24.340 So it's like,

00:37:24.940 oh,

00:37:25.060 don't use the oil,

00:37:26.560 you'll use it up.

00:37:27.340 No,

00:37:27.520 you won't.

00:37:28.240 You know,

00:37:28.680 it wasn't oil to begin with,

00:37:30.600 it was dinosaur bones,

00:37:31.620 we turned it into oil,

00:37:32.860 we'll turn something else

00:37:33.740 into oil,

00:37:34.240 you know?

00:37:34.680 You have to have confidence

00:37:35.880 and you have to have

00:37:36.880 innovation

00:37:38.420 and the only person

00:37:40.360 who's thinking like that

00:37:41.120 is Elon Musk

00:37:41.900 and I think he's now

00:37:43.260 on the right side for that.

00:37:44.260 That's why he loves Trump

00:37:45.700 because Trump is a guy

00:37:47.400 who goes like,

00:37:48.300 yeah,

00:37:48.440 that's a good idea,

00:37:49.080 let's do that,

00:37:49.720 you know?

00:37:51.500 Like a turning point

00:37:52.380 in the election for me

00:37:53.100 was when they took a mugshot

00:37:54.380 of Donald Trump

00:37:55.080 and he looked at it and said,

00:37:56.280 let's put that on a t-shirt.

00:37:57.820 That's my guy,

00:37:58.660 I'm free.

00:37:58.980 So I think that

00:38:01.560 you're absolutely right

00:38:03.400 about this.

00:38:04.020 The country is seriously broken

00:38:06.140 economically

00:38:07.640 and in terms of

00:38:09.680 where the money is going

00:38:11.020 and we're going to have

00:38:14.220 to reform Social Security,

00:38:15.520 nobody wants to bite that bullet

00:38:16.940 but that's going to have

00:38:17.600 to happen in Medicare,

00:38:18.500 they'll have to reform them 0.96

00:38:19.440 and if the government

00:38:22.180 would spend less

00:38:23.260 and regulate less

00:38:24.940 and let the corporations

00:38:26.660 do what they do,

00:38:27.820 I think we start

00:38:29.200 to build things again,

00:38:30.180 you know?

00:38:30.440 And I'm not a no-government guy.

00:38:32.480 I believe government

00:38:33.580 can stop, you know,

00:38:34.580 I don't think eight-year-olds

00:38:35.580 should be at blacking factories, 1.00

00:38:37.220 I think.

00:38:38.600 But I do think that

00:38:40.780 innovation and freedom

00:38:42.280 and capitalism

00:38:43.240 are great tools

00:38:45.560 for building

00:38:46.560 and I have a very

00:38:49.320 weird approach

00:38:51.620 to capitalism.

00:38:52.180 I think it is the greatest

00:38:53.460 engine of wealth

00:38:54.640 and creativity

00:38:55.220 ever invented

00:38:55.900 and I think it ruins everything

00:38:57.280 and so I think

00:38:58.080 it would be wise

00:38:58.880 if the right

00:38:59.360 would sort of throw 0.99

00:39:00.140 the Ayn Rand crap 0.99

00:39:01.320 overboard 0.99

00:39:01.880 and start to say,

00:39:02.980 yeah, you know,

00:39:04.160 one thing that's good

00:39:05.180 to have with capitalism

00:39:05.820 is Christianity,

00:39:06.820 you know?

00:39:07.000 It's a good idea

00:39:07.700 to start to think,

00:39:08.400 well, okay,

00:39:09.520 I don't mind

00:39:10.180 how many gazillions

00:39:11.340 of dollars Elon Musk has

00:39:12.700 but I mind that this guy

00:39:13.440 has nothing,

00:39:14.400 you know?

00:39:14.640 Can we work that out somehow?

00:39:16.240 It doesn't have to be

00:39:17.360 from taking his stuff away

00:39:18.460 but let's all kind of

00:39:19.200 figure out

00:39:20.200 how we make it

00:39:20.860 so nothing guy

00:39:22.340 can eat and live

00:39:24.080 and have dignity,

00:39:25.100 you know?

00:39:25.760 I think those are

00:39:26.640 all important things

00:39:28.040 but capitalism is still,

00:39:31.200 you know,

00:39:31.640 even though it turns us

00:39:32.580 all into consumers

00:39:33.460 and, you know,

00:39:34.280 it's still this great thing

00:39:36.380 and we should have

00:39:37.860 more freedom.

00:39:38.780 What you had under Biden

00:39:40.220 and Biden is just

00:39:41.480 the continuation of Obama

00:39:42.560 was graft.

00:39:44.100 They took our money

00:39:45.180 and they gave it

00:39:46.060 to some guy who said,

00:39:46.980 yeah, I'll build fans

00:39:48.260 and fans will power

00:39:49.340 the world.

00:39:50.060 Yeah.

00:39:50.380 And here's a million dollars

00:39:52.420 for your campaign,

00:39:53.360 you know?

00:39:53.680 Just graft.

00:39:54.600 I mean, they can't do that.

00:39:55.920 They can't store the energy

00:39:57.100 that they make

00:39:57.640 with wind turbines

00:39:59.080 and solar power

00:40:00.360 to power a city

00:40:01.960 the size of this.

00:40:03.140 You can power

00:40:03.700 one of those little things

00:40:04.600 that walks on the table,

00:40:05.760 you know,

00:40:05.960 like a little wind-up toy

00:40:07.320 you can power

00:40:07.860 with solar energy

00:40:08.940 but for real energy

00:40:10.740 we need fossil fuels,

00:40:12.120 we need nuclear,

00:40:12.940 we need all those things

00:40:13.860 so let people compete

00:40:15.360 and build new things,

00:40:16.920 you know?

00:40:17.400 And I'm really excited,

00:40:18.940 actually,

00:40:19.160 that you were talking

00:40:19.980 about culture

00:40:20.820 because there's,

00:40:22.120 I think,

00:40:22.640 a real cultural shift

00:40:24.080 happening at the moment

00:40:25.000 and I think we've seen that

00:40:27.080 actually with the new

00:40:28.120 Snow White.

00:40:29.240 Yeah, this is very profound.

00:40:30.940 Yes.

00:40:31.260 And I haven't seen the film yet

00:40:32.180 so I'm only talking about,

00:40:33.240 yeah.

00:40:33.680 Yeah, but let's go into it

00:40:35.060 because as somebody

00:40:35.940 who loves movies and culture

00:40:37.760 almost as much as you,

00:40:39.140 I've been reading a lot about it

00:40:40.880 and I found it

00:40:41.540 incredibly interesting.

00:40:42.600 It's incredibly interesting.

00:40:44.080 So, for people who don't know,

00:40:45.620 they're remaking all the

00:40:47.740 classic Disney things

00:40:48.880 as live action films

00:40:50.120 but they're kind of ruining them

00:40:51.920 in doing it because of Woke,

00:40:53.260 you know,

00:40:53.500 because of everything like,

00:40:55.020 so Belle in Beauty and the Beast

00:40:59.200 which is a wonderful cartoon.

00:41:00.860 I mean,

00:41:00.980 it's just a fantastic Disney movie.

00:41:03.040 Suddenly she's kind of,

00:41:04.860 I don't know,

00:41:05.400 sexless and she doesn't, 0.99

00:41:06.600 you know, 0.75

00:41:06.740 you fall in love with the Beast

00:41:07.660 because he's manly.

00:41:08.700 That's what Beauty and the Beast

00:41:09.780 is about.

00:41:10.380 So they start to make

00:41:11.180 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 0.85

00:41:12.780 and first of all,

00:41:14.200 the star Zegler,

00:41:15.840 I can't remember.

00:41:16.460 Rachel Zegler.

00:41:17.020 Rachel Zegler. 1.00

00:41:18.020 She's a loud mouth bitch. 1.00

00:41:19.520 I mean, 1.00

00:41:19.820 she's just like,

00:41:21.440 you know.

00:41:21.920 Cutting edge

00:41:22.520 diplomatic analysis there.

00:41:25.500 It's like,

00:41:26.420 you know,

00:41:26.780 you were given

00:41:27.960 a God-given talent,

00:41:29.260 entertain us 0.92

00:41:29.880 and shut the hell up. 0.99

00:41:31.520 You know, 0.99

00:41:31.820 that's it.

00:41:32.680 Then you have Gal Gadot.

00:41:33.860 So the first thing they,

00:41:34.700 and she's lovely

00:41:35.480 and all this stuff

00:41:36.060 and the first thing they do

00:41:36.960 is they come out and say,

00:41:37.580 well,

00:41:37.680 this is not going to be

00:41:38.280 the old Snow White

00:41:39.320 where the handsome prince comes

00:41:40.740 and you go like,

00:41:41.900 so you mean it's not

00:41:42.620 going to be Snow White?

00:41:43.520 You know,

00:41:43.880 the most popular cartoon

00:41:44.880 ever made.

00:41:45.400 It's still like one of those

00:41:45.980 10 most highest

00:41:47.560 grossing films ever made.

00:41:48.980 So they start out

00:41:49.700 with the feminism. 1.00

00:41:50.420 That's the first thing.

00:41:52.060 Then the dwarves are a problem, 1.00

00:41:53.540 right?

00:41:53.840 Like,

00:41:54.260 what are these dwarves?

00:41:55.080 You can't have dwarves. 1.00

00:41:56.140 Are they going to make

00:41:56.480 them magical creatures?

00:41:57.840 Well,

00:41:57.860 Peter Dinklage,

00:41:58.800 who played Tyrion

00:42:00.120 in Game of Thrones,

00:42:01.000 he said,

00:42:02.240 you know,

00:42:02.560 oh,

00:42:02.740 we're back to dwarves again.

00:42:03.900 Oh,

00:42:04.120 no.

00:42:04.640 And then they just

00:42:05.300 canned the whole thing

00:42:06.120 from what I understand.

00:42:06.780 I don't want to

00:42:08.400 minimize,

00:42:09.600 so to speak,

00:42:10.160 Peter Dinklage's

00:42:10.860 affliction.

00:42:15.060 So,

00:42:15.500 Andrew Sofa has said that.

00:42:17.880 He said, 0.93

00:42:18.140 women are hysterical 1.00

00:42:19.260 and he called 0.94

00:42:20.100 Rachel Zegler 1.00

00:42:21.660 loudmouth bitch. 1.00

00:42:23.220 Apart from that, 1.00

00:42:24.000 he's a very diplomatic,

00:42:25.040 gentle guy.

00:42:25.480 I'm a lovely guy.

00:42:26.100 But however,

00:42:26.860 however,

00:42:27.360 Peter Dinklage,

00:42:28.580 you know,

00:42:29.140 dwarfism is an affliction

00:42:30.260 and I'm sure it's given him

00:42:31.280 a lot of trouble in life.

00:42:32.560 He's the luckiest dwarf

00:42:33.680 who ever was born on earth.

00:42:35.700 The greatest romantic lead,

00:42:37.760 he's a dwarf actor,

00:42:39.000 the greatest romantic lead

00:42:40.620 of the decade

00:42:41.500 is a dwarf 0.67

00:42:42.420 in Game of Thrones.

00:42:43.380 It's the greatest part.

00:42:44.620 You know,

00:42:44.780 who would want to play that part? 0.90

00:42:46.140 He's the only guy

00:42:46.920 who could play it.

00:42:47.660 He gets the job.

00:42:48.600 A little gratitude

00:42:49.420 would be nice.

00:42:50.180 You know,

00:42:50.300 it's like,

00:42:50.720 yes,

00:42:50.980 it's an affliction,

00:42:51.620 but kids,

00:42:53.180 you can rise above your affliction.

00:42:55.200 Wouldn't that have been

00:42:55.800 a beautiful thing to say?

00:42:56.740 Instead,

00:42:56.920 he's complaining about

00:42:57.780 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

00:42:59.180 Anyway,

00:42:59.560 so they step on every landmine

00:43:00.960 they can possibly step on

00:43:02.100 and Gal Gadot supports Israel,

00:43:03.980 which on the left,

00:43:04.480 they hate Israel,

00:43:05.340 you know,

00:43:05.500 so that's a problem.

00:43:06.620 And so everything goes wrong.

00:43:08.840 Now,

00:43:09.400 stop and think about this

00:43:10.280 for a minute,

00:43:10.800 all right?

00:43:11.160 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

00:43:12.640 Who wrote Snow White

00:43:13.780 and the Seven Dwarfs?

00:43:15.380 Women. 0.81

00:43:16.660 Fairy tales,

00:43:17.460 the grim fairy tales,

00:43:18.460 come from women. 1.00

00:43:19.400 They're the stories

00:43:20.040 that women told 0.97

00:43:20.940 their children.

00:43:21.880 That's what they are.

00:43:22.860 It is the collected,

00:43:25.140 artistic consciousness

00:43:26.940 of women

00:43:27.760 from a time

00:43:28.600 when women 1.00

00:43:29.200 were not asked anything

00:43:30.680 and couldn't write,

00:43:32.820 you know?

00:43:33.300 And it was collected

00:43:34.040 by the Brothers Grimm,

00:43:34.840 good for them,

00:43:35.440 but this is like

00:43:36.400 a legacy

00:43:37.220 that our mothers,

00:43:39.400 our foremothers,

00:43:40.780 send us

00:43:41.400 through these fairy tales.

00:43:43.680 They've been with us

00:43:44.640 for over a thousand years.

00:43:46.920 They speak

00:43:47.800 the wisdom

00:43:48.540 of mothers,

00:43:49.500 which let me tell you,

00:43:50.540 as someone who's married

00:43:51.480 to one,

00:43:52.220 I will tell you,

00:43:52.960 it is the wisdom

00:43:54.020 of the world

00:43:54.540 because they see people

00:43:55.540 getting made,

00:43:56.380 not just physically,

00:43:57.440 they see them

00:43:57.980 getting made spiritually.

00:43:59.060 They are in,

00:43:59.900 so to speak,

00:44:00.580 the matrix,

00:44:01.720 to a little Latin pun,

00:44:03.540 they're in the matrix

00:44:04.840 of human creation.

00:44:06.040 They know human nature

00:44:07.160 really well

00:44:08.180 and they're telling

00:44:08.960 these stories

00:44:09.740 to help people deal,

00:44:12.580 their children deal

00:44:13.380 with the world as it is.

00:44:14.780 If we've come to a point

00:44:16.220 where we can't make fairy tales

00:44:18.260 without everybody saying,

00:44:19.800 no, no, no,

00:44:20.260 you can't say that,

00:44:21.220 we've come to a point

00:44:22.120 where people are denying

00:44:23.260 the deepest truths

00:44:25.000 about human beings

00:44:25.920 and that is exactly

00:44:27.160 what woke is.

00:44:28.100 That is exactly

00:44:28.880 what woke is.

00:44:29.600 It is a denial

00:44:30.960 of the deepest,

00:44:32.120 simplest truths

00:44:32.920 of what it means

00:44:33.940 to be a human being

00:44:34.840 and so the fact

00:44:35.900 that they couldn't make

00:44:37.020 snow white,

00:44:38.600 where she was snow white,

00:44:39.680 her skin is white as snow 0.99

00:44:40.940 and that's, you know,

00:44:41.680 supposed to be pretty

00:44:42.660 and, you know,

00:44:44.020 the stepmother

00:44:45.060 is unhappy

00:44:45.880 because she's getting old

00:44:46.900 and she's not as beautiful

00:44:48.000 as this way

00:44:48.440 and she goes

00:44:49.620 and she finds these dwarves

00:44:50.820 who are kind of like,

00:44:52.200 you know,

00:44:52.760 they're kind of like children

00:44:54.240 but they're not children

00:44:55.180 and it's sort of about

00:44:56.440 what it's like

00:44:56.960 to be a mom,

00:44:58.020 you know,

00:44:58.540 but it's also that

00:45:00.060 their childhood

00:45:00.900 is kind of encapsulated,

00:45:02.580 their childhood

00:45:03.080 and adulthood

00:45:03.680 are kind of encapsulated

00:45:04.700 in this one moment.

00:45:06.280 You know,

00:45:07.160 it's a fairy tale.

00:45:08.840 It's not real life,

00:45:10.060 it's a fairy tale.

00:45:10.900 The fact that we can't do that

00:45:12.140 is a ban on truth

00:45:13.760 and the deepest truth,

00:45:15.140 not like factual truth

00:45:16.300 and so I think that

00:45:17.980 that's why,

00:45:19.520 in my opinion,

00:45:20.240 for the last five,

00:45:22.140 I'll say five to ten years

00:45:23.280 because I'm not sure

00:45:23.840 where it starts,

00:45:24.800 there's been no art

00:45:26.020 in this country.

00:45:26.980 There have been no good stories

00:45:27.960 except, of course,

00:45:29.020 my novels

00:45:29.400 but, you know, 0.98

00:45:30.620 the TV shows have been crap. 0.99

00:45:32.280 They were great 0.98

00:45:33.160 from about 2000

00:45:34.440 to about 2014 or so.

00:45:38.520 Novels,

00:45:39.000 not that interesting.

00:45:40.340 Music has been bad.

00:45:41.800 Why?

00:45:42.340 Because all of that stuff

00:45:43.680 is about the soul

00:45:44.540 and we're not allowed

00:45:45.620 to talk about the soul

00:45:46.380 because it offends the left

00:45:47.380 and the left

00:45:47.760 has a cultural monopoly

00:45:48.660 and so Snow White

00:45:51.020 and the Seven Dwarfs

00:45:51.760 to me is just like,

00:45:53.820 make the film

00:45:54.360 and if people complain,

00:45:55.740 they complain

00:45:56.200 but the kids will show up.

00:45:58.660 It's a really profound point

00:46:00.460 and there's something else

00:46:01.660 that I found really interesting

00:46:02.860 when I was reading

00:46:03.480 about this movie

00:46:04.260 is the signature song

00:46:06.660 from the original Snow White

00:46:08.260 was Someday My Prince Will Come

00:46:10.220 which talks about hope,

00:46:11.760 it talks about love,

00:46:12.680 it talks about one day

00:46:14.200 meeting somebody

00:46:15.200 who you were going

00:46:16.160 to have a union with,

00:46:17.700 you were going to have

00:46:18.440 children,

00:46:19.140 you're going to be able

00:46:20.100 to see the next generation,

00:46:22.640 my prince.

00:46:23.600 It's a romantic yearning

00:46:25.080 which everybody has,

00:46:27.200 everybody has, right?

00:46:29.460 But they scrapped the song.

00:46:31.000 Of course.

00:46:31.980 Because that's essentially

00:46:33.600 saying that women need men 1.00

00:46:34.800 and men need women 1.00

00:46:37.040 and we're here for each other

00:46:38.640 and that's what we're here for.

00:46:40.620 That's what it's saying

00:46:41.440 and that is the central idea

00:46:43.460 that they're trying to destroy.

00:46:44.940 You know what?

00:46:45.700 Look,

00:46:45.920 there's no,

00:46:48.260 not one scrap

00:46:49.940 of scientific evidence

00:46:51.220 that men can become women

00:46:52.620 or women men

00:46:53.300 or that it helps

00:46:55.000 children who are having

00:46:57.300 some kind of gender dysphoria

00:46:59.240 to mutilate them.

00:47:02.880 There's no science

00:47:03.860 that says this.

00:47:04.420 There's no evidence.

00:47:05.080 We had this guy,

00:47:06.260 I swear to God,

00:47:06.840 this guy was a Batman supervillain.

00:47:08.720 That guy,

00:47:09.100 Rachel,

00:47:09.920 but he was in the health department.

00:47:13.220 His name was Richard Levine

00:47:14.520 and he called himself

00:47:15.140 Rachel Levine

00:47:15.800 and he walked around

00:47:16.480 in his dress with pearls

00:47:17.700 and talked to his fluty voice

00:47:19.460 and that was supposed

00:47:20.120 to turn him into a woman. 1.00

00:47:21.480 And he was,

00:47:21.820 did you ever,

00:47:22.300 did you guys see this?

00:47:22.980 Yes, yes.

00:47:23.420 They made him an admiral

00:47:24.140 which I thought was hilarious.

00:47:25.160 You know what,

00:47:25.840 Andrew,

00:47:26.160 I'm so used to seeing

00:47:27.340 that stuff now,

00:47:28.080 it almost doesn't register anymore.

00:47:31.480 So he would go

00:47:32.060 into these hearings

00:47:32.800 and he would say,

00:47:33.700 anybody who wants

00:47:34.560 to find out

00:47:35.040 the very sturdy science

00:47:36.740 supporting gender care

00:47:38.920 for children

00:47:39.600 just has to come

00:47:40.600 to my office.

00:47:41.500 No one ever came

00:47:42.060 to her office

00:47:42.500 and she had nothing.

00:47:43.500 She had nothing.

00:47:44.340 She,

00:47:44.660 he,

00:47:45.080 he's a guy,

00:47:45.940 you know,

00:47:46.600 he had nothing.

00:47:47.780 He had no science

00:47:48.840 because there is no science

00:47:49.960 that shows that.

00:47:50.880 The people who get

00:47:51.480 those operations

00:47:52.180 get more depressed

00:47:53.740 than they were before.

00:47:54.600 They commit suicide

00:47:55.260 at fantastic rates

00:47:56.200 because it's impossible.

00:47:57.520 They're defying reality.

00:47:59.580 I don't care

00:48:00.260 how people live.

00:48:01.240 You know,

00:48:01.620 I don't want to have

00:48:02.320 to use words

00:48:03.160 that they tell me to use.

00:48:04.500 I don't want to have

00:48:04.920 to use a pronoun

00:48:05.700 to misdescribe somebody

00:48:07.520 and I don't want

00:48:08.260 to lose my job

00:48:09.080 because I say

00:48:09.860 Richard Levine

00:48:11.520 is a guy,

00:48:12.160 you know,

00:48:12.840 but I don't care

00:48:13.680 what he does

00:48:14.160 in his spare time.

00:48:15.960 But that guy to me

00:48:16.840 was a supervillain.

00:48:17.720 He's sitting around,

00:48:18.500 I thought he belonged

00:48:19.180 in Arkham Asylum,

00:48:20.180 you know,

00:48:20.380 in the Bat,

00:48:20.780 from the Batman comics

00:48:21.720 because like,

00:48:22.180 he's sitting around

00:48:22.720 and I'm going,

00:48:23.100 yes, 0.98

00:48:23.520 I'm going to castrate 1.00

00:48:24.340 all the children, 1.00

00:48:25.200 you know.

00:48:25.800 So,

00:48:26.720 that is the target.

00:48:28.360 The target is

00:48:29.340 this love

00:48:30.620 that men and women have 0.77

00:48:31.780 and I believe

00:48:32.440 that it's rooted

00:48:33.140 in misogyny.

00:48:35.680 You know,

00:48:35.880 the first science fiction novel

00:48:37.560 is Frankenstein

00:48:38.440 and people always say

00:48:39.540 that Frankenstein

00:48:40.100 is about

00:48:40.580 a guy who

00:48:41.740 takes the power away

00:48:43.680 from God

00:48:44.120 to make a human being.

00:48:45.300 It's not true.

00:48:46.000 He takes the power away

00:48:46.660 from women

00:48:47.120 to make a human being

00:48:48.040 and if you read

00:48:48.700 the book closely,

00:48:49.560 that's what it's about.

00:48:50.500 The first dream he has

00:48:52.100 after he makes

00:48:52.880 the monster Frankenstein

00:48:55.020 is he thinks he sees

00:48:56.280 his fiancée

00:48:58.080 and as she comes

00:48:59.000 toward him,

00:48:59.360 she turns into 1.00

00:48:59.980 his mother 0.97

00:49:01.280 and she's dead

00:49:02.300 and she's crawling.

00:49:03.700 as I'm going from memory,

00:49:05.960 I mean,

00:49:06.120 I'm getting this

00:49:06.780 exactly right

00:49:07.380 but it's about 0.98

00:49:08.580 getting rid of women 1.00

00:49:09.680 and if you follow, 0.98

00:49:11.040 I write a chapter

00:49:11.940 about this

00:49:12.360 in my book

00:49:12.700 The Truth and Beauty

00:49:13.420 and if you follow that

00:49:15.340 through science fiction,

00:49:16.600 almost all science fiction

00:49:18.100 in the moment

00:49:19.880 when we transferred

00:49:21.080 from a mechanical society

00:49:24.340 to a technological society,

00:49:26.180 go back and look

00:49:27.160 at the horror movies.

00:49:28.480 It's Carrie

00:49:29.000 about having your period.

00:49:30.200 It's about The Exorcist

00:49:31.060 which is also about

00:49:31.760 a girl having a period,

00:49:32.600 really.

00:49:33.740 It's The Matrix

00:49:35.140 where basically

00:49:36.880 everything,

00:49:38.600 The Matrix

00:49:39.000 becomes a machine

00:49:40.140 instead of a womb. 0.98

00:49:42.140 It's all about

00:49:43.060 women's bodies 0.98

00:49:43.720 and how horrific they are

00:49:44.980 and we just did one

00:49:46.080 the other day.

00:49:46.660 The Substance

00:49:47.300 is about how horrible, 0.96

00:49:49.240 how ugly women's bodies 1.00

00:49:50.660 are when they get older 1.00

00:49:51.480 and stuff like this.

00:49:52.800 We have this horror

00:49:53.900 of women

00:49:54.400 because they tie us

00:49:56.140 to responsibility

00:49:58.040 and reality

00:49:58.960 and the earth

00:49:59.640 and consequences.

00:50:00.640 The funny thing

00:50:03.400 about those women 0.88

00:50:03.940 you just want

00:50:04.460 to sleep with them

00:50:05.220 but they keep

00:50:05.920 coming back

00:50:06.900 with these babies

00:50:07.500 and saying

00:50:07.840 who's going to take

00:50:08.680 care of the baby?

00:50:09.420 It's annoying.

00:50:10.900 I think that this

00:50:12.240 we're really seeing

00:50:13.660 a hatred of women 0.98

00:50:14.500 and I think

00:50:15.220 it's coming to fruition.

00:50:19.100 It's been there

00:50:19.540 for a long time

00:50:21.020 and I think

00:50:22.000 it's coming to fruition

00:50:22.960 in this idea

00:50:23.960 that what do you mean

00:50:24.780 you don't want

00:50:25.280 a man on your

00:50:26.120 hockey team?

00:50:27.300 What's wrong with you? 0.78

00:50:28.140 What kind of sick thing 0.98

00:50:29.320 is that?

00:50:29.680 What do you mean

00:50:29.980 a guy can't come?

00:50:30.820 He says he's a woman

00:50:31.720 why can't he come

00:50:32.260 into your locker room?

00:50:33.380 I can't imagine

00:50:34.500 anything more disrespectful

00:50:35.660 to a 13 year old girl

00:50:37.380 let alone a grown woman

00:50:38.340 and so

00:50:39.580 I think that there

00:50:41.300 is something

00:50:41.620 really sick going on 0.98

00:50:43.040 about women 0.57

00:50:44.680 and I think women 1.00

00:50:45.380 are the

00:50:45.880 I think

00:50:46.360 I'm an anti-feminist

00:50:48.640 you want to talk about

00:50:49.500 being politically incorrect?

00:50:51.400 I do not believe

00:50:52.120 in feminism 0.97

00:50:52.460 I believe in feminism 0.99

00:50:53.600 and that I believe

00:50:54.180 women should have choices 1.00

00:50:55.140 but I think that

00:50:56.460 this is a society

00:50:58.500 that should elevate

00:50:59.420 motherhood

00:51:00.140 and homemaking

00:51:01.040 so that people

00:51:02.340 want that choice

00:51:03.480 because I think

00:51:04.140 it's one of the things

00:51:05.040 that women 0.97

00:51:05.380 are especially good at

00:51:07.660 and I think

00:51:08.440 it's the centre

00:51:08.940 of every society

00:51:09.700 I think

00:51:10.460 a society without homes

00:51:12.260 is not going to be

00:51:13.580 a free society

00:51:14.320 And it's also as well

00:51:16.640 when you listen

00:51:17.540 to Rachel Zegler's interview

00:51:18.980 the one which went viral

00:51:20.100 and I'm going to misquote

00:51:21.240 but generally

00:51:22.420 generally

00:51:23.840 I don't want to do that

00:51:24.540 because I don't want

00:51:24.960 to get through

00:51:25.380 But generally

00:51:27.160 what she said was

00:51:29.860 Snow White

00:51:31.680 doesn't need her prince

00:51:33.120 to come

00:51:33.540 because she is going

00:51:34.700 to be the natural

00:51:35.560 born leader

00:51:36.280 Right

00:51:36.560 And so

00:51:37.620 this idea

00:51:39.060 of a prince

00:51:39.920 saving her

00:51:40.760 and her falling in love

00:51:41.940 is an archaic idea

00:51:43.880 from 1937

00:51:45.060 when the film was made

00:51:46.200 Right

00:51:46.440 That is what she said

00:51:47.720 You said you were

00:51:48.760 bringing a modern edge

00:51:49.960 to it

00:51:50.500 on Sid

00:51:51.220 what do you mean by that

00:51:52.000 I just mean that

00:51:52.880 it's no longer

00:51:53.480 1937

00:51:54.480 and we absolutely

00:51:56.280 wrote a Snow White

00:51:57.280 She's not going to be

00:51:58.400 saved by the prince

00:51:59.400 She's not going to be

00:52:00.140 saved by the prince

00:52:00.720 and she's not going to

00:52:01.480 be dreaming about

00:52:02.380 true love

00:52:03.060 She's dreaming about

00:52:04.160 becoming the leader

00:52:05.000 she knows she can be

00:52:05.880 and the leader

00:52:06.620 that her late father

00:52:07.440 told her that she could be

00:52:08.700 if she was fearless

00:52:09.620 fair, brave and true

00:52:10.480 And so

00:52:11.300 it's just a really

00:52:12.180 incredible story

00:52:12.800 for I think

00:52:13.180 young people everywhere

00:52:13.960 to see themselves in

00:52:15.080 And then you listen

00:52:16.400 to that

00:52:16.940 and you think

00:52:17.740 Fair enough

00:52:19.660 if you feel that

00:52:20.600 Rachel

00:52:20.920 that's fine

00:52:21.860 But

00:52:23.000 that is talking

00:52:24.560 to a very small

00:52:25.720 minority of women

00:52:27.120 who want to be CEOs

00:52:28.760 and want to run

00:52:29.700 Fortune 500 companies

00:52:31.000 of which I'm sure

00:52:31.780 there are a few

00:52:32.900 but the vast majority

00:52:34.300 of women

00:52:34.760 simply don't want that

00:52:36.380 And I think to me

00:52:37.680 when I listen to her

00:52:38.920 say things like that

00:52:40.060 it's a misrepresentation

00:52:41.880 of female

00:52:42.480 and what most women want 1.00

00:52:44.380 Yes

00:52:44.640 And when they say

00:52:45.560 you know

00:52:46.080 when feminists 1.00

00:52:47.100 the first thing

00:52:47.880 they always say is

00:52:48.620 you know

00:52:49.020 we need to have

00:52:49.460 better childcare

00:52:50.180 No

00:52:51.000 You need to have

00:52:51.640 an economy

00:52:52.080 where a man

00:52:52.600 can support a woman

00:52:53.360 so she can take care 1.00

00:52:54.340 of the children

00:52:55.100 And I mean

00:52:56.100 this is the big thing

00:52:56.880 Feminism arises 1.00

00:52:58.040 after the

00:52:59.080 Industrial Revolution

00:53:01.120 because the Industrial Revolution

00:53:02.520 gutted women 1.00

00:53:03.260 of their

00:53:03.860 economic power

00:53:05.360 You know

00:53:05.860 women used to have 1.00

00:53:07.020 these cottage industries

00:53:07.980 like making clothes

00:53:08.960 you know

00:53:09.260 and so they were

00:53:10.780 huge economic powers

00:53:13.360 and then they lost that

00:53:14.460 and then they got

00:53:15.260 kind of elevated

00:53:15.900 to the angel in the house

00:53:17.260 which you know

00:53:18.220 that's not a human thing

00:53:19.160 right

00:53:19.400 they weren't angels

00:53:20.180 in the house

00:53:20.580 there were moms 1.00

00:53:21.280 and wives 0.92

00:53:22.140 who also had interests

00:53:23.720 and wanted economic respect

00:53:25.320 and all that stuff

00:53:25.940 I think the computer

00:53:27.120 has a possibility

00:53:28.700 of bringing that back

00:53:29.660 I mean

00:53:29.920 my daughter is a mom

00:53:30.960 that's the first

00:53:32.140 and foremost thing

00:53:33.140 in her life

00:53:33.660 she loves being a mom 0.93

00:53:34.700 she loves being a wife 0.99

00:53:35.640 but she also has a computer

00:53:37.280 and she has a business

00:53:38.140 and she has a podcast

00:53:38.860 and she does this wonderful stuff

00:53:40.880 you know

00:53:41.220 so she has a full life

00:53:43.660 and I think that

00:53:44.440 that we

00:53:45.280 this society

00:53:46.460 and I don't know

00:53:47.060 if this is true in Europe

00:53:47.980 but I feel American society

00:53:49.460 basically denigrates

00:53:51.260 mothers

00:53:51.800 who I think

00:53:52.640 are key

00:53:53.980 to human life

00:53:54.720 I mean

00:53:55.500 I don't just think

00:53:56.500 I don't just think

00:53:58.500 that they are important

00:53:59.700 as

00:54:00.560 place keepers

00:54:02.500 like you know

00:54:03.140 oh somebody's got to

00:54:04.020 take care of the kids

00:54:04.780 I think that they are important

00:54:06.720 as soul shapers

00:54:07.820 and

00:54:08.780 it's the soil we grow in

00:54:11.020 let's say it again

00:54:11.540 they're the soil we grow in

00:54:12.860 yes

00:54:13.160 that's right

00:54:13.720 that's right

00:54:14.220 yeah

00:54:14.620 and

00:54:15.140 I suppose the question is

00:54:16.680 Andrew

00:54:16.920 and this is curious for me

00:54:18.000 because

00:54:18.360 it's sort of an interesting moment

00:54:21.240 right

00:54:21.560 I might just know

00:54:22.940 why I would have gone

00:54:23.520 into production

00:54:24.100 long before

00:54:24.760 the vibe shift

00:54:26.040 that we're seeing

00:54:26.680 now

00:54:27.020 you know Hollywood

00:54:28.640 better than most people

00:54:29.780 do you think

00:54:31.100 there is a

00:54:31.780 come to Jesus moment 0.55

00:54:32.880 going on there

00:54:33.600 do you

00:54:34.240 you know

00:54:34.520 I see Bill Maher

00:54:35.620 you know

00:54:36.040 he's the kind of

00:54:36.800 the conduit

00:54:37.380 between these two worlds

00:54:38.380 very often

00:54:38.860 I feel

00:54:39.520 he's certainly

00:54:40.660 adjusting his perspective

00:54:41.920 Gavin Newsom

00:54:42.660 is having all these

00:54:43.240 right wingers

00:54:43.780 on his podcast

00:54:44.580 you know

00:54:45.540 in quite an amusing way

00:54:47.960 I hope they check

00:54:48.700 to see they still

00:54:49.440 have their watch

00:54:50.060 when they get on

00:54:50.740 well you know

00:54:52.380 I take your jibe

00:54:54.380 but I have to say

00:54:55.400 as an outside observer

00:54:56.200 he seems like a very

00:54:56.980 effective politician

00:54:57.780 to me

00:54:58.660 very effective

00:54:59.220 he's very sleazy

00:55:00.240 and everything

00:55:00.800 touches the crowd

00:55:01.800 well we're agreeing

00:55:02.500 oh okay

00:55:03.000 oh you mean

00:55:04.580 he's very convincing

00:55:05.240 he will be very convincing

00:55:07.380 to lots of people

00:55:08.100 while also being

00:55:08.940 sleazy

00:55:09.460 and in some ways 0.98

00:55:10.220 dishonest

00:55:10.660 and whatever

00:55:11.060 but we'd love to have him on

00:55:12.560 and you know

00:55:13.240 test those things

00:55:14.960 right

00:55:15.200 but I see

00:55:16.540 some vibe shift

00:55:17.500 going on

00:55:18.140 but is there

00:55:19.360 a vibe shift

00:55:20.100 world in which

00:55:20.960 you see Hollywood

00:55:21.860 waking up

00:55:22.520 and go

00:55:22.720 oh my god 0.99

00:55:23.760 we've done this woke crap 0.99

00:55:24.840 and actually it's dumb 0.99

00:55:25.760 and let's just make 0.86

00:55:26.540 good stuff

00:55:27.340 is that coming

00:55:28.780 what I think is coming

00:55:31.600 what I think is coming

00:55:32.940 is

00:55:33.540 a world

00:55:35.600 in which

00:55:36.240 people without 0.96

00:55:38.320 the kind of billions

00:55:39.680 that studios have

00:55:41.400 can compete with them

00:55:42.460 because that's the only thing

00:55:44.100 that's going to change

00:55:44.700 in this competition

00:55:45.360 like

00:55:46.220 if you

00:55:48.040 if you

00:55:48.400 I don't know

00:55:49.100 if you saw the Oscars

00:55:49.940 nobody else did

00:55:50.560 I don't know why you would

00:55:51.260 but like

00:55:51.580 nobody saw those movies

00:55:53.020 they were

00:55:53.680 you know

00:55:53.980 wicked they saw

00:55:54.900 you know 0.91

00:55:55.260 it's like

00:55:55.640 but nobody

00:55:57.940 the rest of them

00:55:58.600 it's like

00:55:59.160 you know

00:55:59.780 you're giving

00:56:00.200 a musical 0.87

00:56:01.500 about a transgender gangster

00:56:03.340 I mean really

00:56:04.260 you know

00:56:04.600 who woke up

00:56:07.760 one morning

00:56:08.220 and thought

00:56:08.500 I know what

00:56:08.880 everybody's going to

00:56:09.440 they're going to be

00:56:10.500 lining up

00:56:11.000 around the block

00:56:11.580 so

00:56:12.540 there's this opening

00:56:15.200 and the right

00:56:16.920 historically

00:56:18.180 has been 1.00

00:56:19.200 crap 0.98

00:56:20.000 about filling 0.99

00:56:21.100 these openings

00:56:21.800 you know

00:56:22.280 I don't see any reason

00:56:24.060 like

00:56:24.840 like I always say

00:56:25.500 like why

00:56:25.920 why is there no

00:56:27.080 one who's willing

00:56:29.140 to make a movie

00:56:29.840 about a woman

00:56:30.560 who wants a husband 1.00

00:56:31.660 and a

00:56:32.160 to be a mom

00:56:33.760 you know

00:56:34.400 why is nobody

00:56:35.080 I talk about this

00:56:36.180 on my show

00:56:36.700 on my podcast

00:56:37.300 and I get these

00:56:38.300 women writing to me 0.52

00:56:39.680 and their husbands

00:56:40.440 writing to me

00:56:40.820 my wife burst into tears 0.99

00:56:42.200 because you're the first person

00:56:43.080 to give her dignity

00:56:44.120 and all this

00:56:44.500 I think really

00:56:45.180 moms

00:56:45.900 you know

00:56:46.380 and I always say

00:56:47.140 if you don't think

00:56:47.540 moms are important 1.00

00:56:48.200 go up to somebody

00:56:48.820 a guy who's bigger than you 0.93

00:56:50.180 and insult his mother

00:56:51.220 and when you wake up

00:56:52.080 six weeks later

00:56:52.920 from your coma

00:56:53.880 that he's put you in

00:56:54.740 you know

00:56:54.940 you'll realize

00:56:55.440 moms are important 1.00

00:56:56.440 you know

00:56:56.760 so why is nobody

00:56:58.120 willing to make that movie

00:56:59.200 why is nobody

00:56:59.820 willing to make a movie

00:57:00.600 where the businessman

00:57:01.300 comes to town

00:57:02.220 and the enemy

00:57:02.800 is the environmental

00:57:04.120 protection agency

00:57:05.240 as it was in Ghostbusters

00:57:06.400 you know

00:57:07.060 people forget that

00:57:08.500 the bad guy

00:57:09.740 is the government guy

00:57:10.680 you know

00:57:10.940 why don't they have the guts

00:57:14.220 and I don't think

00:57:15.040 that that's going to come

00:57:15.900 from within

00:57:16.380 because they're soulless 0.65

00:57:17.580 gutless people

00:57:18.220 I think that

00:57:19.640 it's going to happen

00:57:20.580 when

00:57:21.540 me and a couple

00:57:22.680 but they care about money

00:57:23.560 they care about money

00:57:24.620 and if ticket sales

00:57:25.120 are not there

00:57:25.600 but see

00:57:25.720 this is the big secret

00:57:27.200 Ted Cruz

00:57:28.540 the senator

00:57:29.060 once asked me

00:57:29.860 what do you know

00:57:30.580 that nobody else knows

00:57:31.460 and I said

00:57:31.920 they don't care about money 0.95

00:57:32.700 they care about

00:57:33.680 they care about

00:57:35.560 prestige

00:57:36.340 they care about love

00:57:37.440 they care about

00:57:38.320 you know

00:57:38.820 being

00:57:39.340 adulation

00:57:40.620 adulation

00:57:41.220 the awards

00:57:41.900 you don't win Oscars

00:57:43.180 by making money

00:57:44.340 you don't win

00:57:45.120 girls 0.98

00:57:45.800 you don't win

00:57:46.520 you know

00:57:47.180 the pictures

00:57:48.700 it's an internal status

00:57:49.720 competition

00:57:50.320 within that world

00:57:51.200 and that's why

00:57:51.700 they're all out

00:57:52.200 competing each other

00:57:53.040 on trans wokeness

00:57:54.200 whatever

00:57:54.420 exactly

00:57:55.040 so what you need

00:57:56.400 is to take their money

00:57:57.560 away through competition

00:57:58.700 so

00:57:59.480 a time is coming

00:58:01.340 and it's almost here

00:58:02.160 I mean it's like

00:58:02.820 if it's five years away

00:58:04.800 that's going to be

00:58:05.460 a long time

00:58:06.800 when me and a bunch of friends

00:58:08.540 can sit down

00:58:09.660 and make a movie

00:58:10.260 and it'll be just as good

00:58:12.060 as their movies

00:58:12.620 almost maybe

00:58:13.440 you know

00:58:14.040 you won't need voice actors

00:58:16.080 you know

00:58:16.440 it'll all be

00:58:17.400 you won't even need actors

00:58:18.420 it'll be all AI

00:58:19.560 they can almost do it now

00:58:21.560 and

00:58:22.580 when that happens

00:58:25.060 they're cooked

00:58:26.160 you know

00:58:26.820 because

00:58:27.300 yeah

00:58:27.740 they'll still be able to make

00:58:28.940 Marvel comic movies

00:58:30.620 but that string

00:58:31.640 has kind of run out

00:58:32.420 if you want to see

00:58:33.880 good drama

00:58:34.560 you know

00:58:35.480 I'll be making it

00:58:36.660 or somebody like me

00:58:37.560 who's 20

00:58:38.080 you know

00:58:38.420 whatever

00:58:38.820 it's like

00:58:39.260 and that'll change it

00:58:41.460 that will change it

00:58:42.620 you know

00:58:43.400 the internet is young

00:58:44.880 right

00:58:45.200 it's not

00:58:45.720 it's not really

00:58:46.660 it hasn't hit its peak yet

00:58:48.080 what we're seeing

00:58:49.380 is we're seeing

00:58:50.280 kind of the Martin Luther moment

00:58:52.340 you know

00:58:52.660 we're seeing that moment

00:58:53.460 when somebody says

00:58:54.480 you know

00:58:54.700 not only can I hammer

00:58:55.740 these things on the church door

00:58:57.020 but I can print these up

00:58:58.260 and spread them over

00:58:59.380 all of Europe

00:59:00.080 well

00:59:00.400 it did cause two centuries

00:59:01.600 of religious war

00:59:02.360 that's

00:59:02.840 that is

00:59:03.360 that's the bad

00:59:04.360 version of it

00:59:05.160 you're right about that

00:59:06.580 by the way

00:59:06.920 and I'm not

00:59:07.560 I'm not unaware of that

00:59:09.320 that's the bad version

00:59:11.240 hopefully we get it right

00:59:12.200 this time

00:59:12.640 and only have one century

00:59:13.920 there's a positive

00:59:14.820 end to the interview

00:59:16.320 look

00:59:17.060 I think

00:59:18.020 you know

00:59:19.240 I think what

00:59:20.460 I love about our conversations

00:59:21.960 is that ultimately

00:59:23.060 what you're pointing to

00:59:24.160 is

00:59:24.580 is that two wolves

00:59:26.300 inside me thing

00:59:27.200 yeah

00:59:27.540 and we could go

00:59:28.800 the crazy route

00:59:29.940 that the internet

00:59:30.660 seems to encourage

00:59:31.960 and reward

00:59:32.560 but we could also

00:59:33.960 go the not crazy route

00:59:35.060 and that's the choice

00:59:35.840 I think as a culture

00:59:36.740 and the societies

00:59:37.580 around the world

00:59:38.440 we face

00:59:38.940 do we respond

00:59:39.720 to the things

00:59:41.680 that have been happening

00:59:42.640 that we don't like

00:59:43.660 with anger

00:59:44.920 or with creativity

00:59:45.760 with constructive

00:59:46.680 with destructive

00:59:48.300 or constructive

00:59:49.440 that's the choice

00:59:50.300 that we face

00:59:50.820 I think that's what

00:59:51.440 I'm really hearing

00:59:52.200 so

00:59:52.580 I'm going to take

00:59:53.720 this opportunity

00:59:54.120 to plug my new book

00:59:55.200 which is coming out

00:59:55.860 in May

00:59:56.320 that was smooth

00:59:57.120 yeah

00:59:57.500 this is

00:59:58.420 I have a non-fiction book

00:59:59.940 I write non-fiction books

01:00:01.740 about culture and religion

01:00:03.500 because I think that

01:00:04.980 we've been told

01:00:06.080 that you can't read God

01:00:08.920 you know

01:00:09.460 that like

01:00:09.740 that art has nothing

01:00:11.180 to do with God

01:00:11.740 I think the opposite

01:00:12.700 is true 0.89

01:00:13.080 so I wrote a book

01:00:14.620 called The Kingdom of Cain

01:00:15.620 and it's about

01:00:16.580 famous murders

01:00:17.640 and how they keep

01:00:18.260 reappearing

01:00:18.900 in various novels

01:00:20.880 and films

01:00:21.580 so a good example

01:00:22.720 is Ed Gein

01:00:23.460 who in the 1950s

01:00:25.840 killed a couple of women

01:00:27.020 and dug up other women 1.00

01:00:28.100 and used them

01:00:28.860 to build a woman's body 1.00

01:00:30.420 that he could wear

01:00:31.020 around the house

01:00:31.620 and he inspired

01:00:32.940 Robert Bloch to write

01:00:33.680 the novel Psycho

01:00:34.480 and the novel Psycho

01:00:35.760 became what's one

01:00:37.320 of the greatest films

01:00:38.100 in American history

01:00:39.120 and he also inspired

01:00:40.760 Silence of the Lambs

01:00:42.060 Texas Chainsaw Massacre

01:00:44.360 which then inspired

01:00:45.840 the entire slasher thing

01:00:47.820 so it's like

01:00:48.480 the entire slasher genre

01:00:50.100 comes out of this one guy

01:00:51.660 and it's a study

01:00:53.860 of how art takes evil

01:00:56.980 and turns it into light

01:00:59.840 and shows you

01:01:00.580 what's at the heart of it

01:01:02.060 so that you can taste it

01:01:03.780 and sort of say like

01:01:04.760 oh yeah

01:01:05.060 because we live

01:01:05.680 in an evil world

01:01:06.420 we live in a world

01:01:07.140 you know

01:01:07.400 people do terrible things

01:01:08.500 to each other

01:01:08.940 and people like us

01:01:10.860 sit around

01:01:11.500 and we live kind of

01:01:12.160 nice lives

01:01:12.860 and we forget

01:01:14.640 you know

01:01:15.160 that in a lot of the world

01:01:16.680 people enslave children 0.55

01:01:19.080 and abuse children 0.98

01:01:20.360 and kill each other 0.98

01:01:22.040 and do all kinds 0.84

01:01:23.000 of terrible things

01:01:23.840 and God bless us

01:01:25.180 for not being part of that

01:01:26.620 but it means

01:01:28.020 that that's the world

01:01:28.920 that we have to operate in

01:01:30.460 and you can either

01:01:31.060 ignore it

01:01:31.860 and what art does

01:01:32.700 is it transforms it

01:01:33.740 and so

01:01:34.580 what I see

01:01:36.280 is a new

01:01:37.380 what I hope for

01:01:38.780 and it is just a hope

01:01:40.000 you know

01:01:40.240 it's like

01:01:40.540 is

01:01:41.500 I see a new

01:01:42.500 more honest

01:01:43.240 look at human nature

01:01:44.980 a world in which

01:01:46.160 Snow White can't be made

01:01:47.180 is a world that has

01:01:47.900 blindfolded itself

01:01:48.960 to human nature

01:01:49.720 but a world

01:01:50.820 in which

01:01:51.640 true honest art

01:01:53.000 can be made

01:01:53.640 is a world

01:01:54.500 in which human nature

01:01:55.320 is shown to be part

01:01:57.340 of a

01:01:57.900 greater design

01:02:00.220 so you have

01:02:01.180 you know

01:02:02.140 Shakespeare writes

01:02:02.920 Macbeth

01:02:03.540 Macbeth does horrible

01:02:04.900 I mean horrible things

01:02:05.820 happen in that play

01:02:06.520 and yet it's

01:02:07.140 insanely beautiful

01:02:08.460 it's an insanely

01:02:09.620 beautiful play

01:02:10.480 and when Macbeth

01:02:11.640 makes his final speech

01:02:12.820 and he says

01:02:13.560 you know

01:02:14.100 everything's nothing

01:02:14.940 it's just a tale 1.00

01:02:15.600 told by an idiot 1.00

01:02:16.420 and all that 1.00

01:02:16.720 we understand

01:02:17.640 that that's not true

01:02:19.520 we understand

01:02:20.060 that he has detached

01:02:20.880 himself from the moral order

01:02:22.100 and then you start

01:02:23.000 going back and say

01:02:23.560 well what is the moral order

01:02:24.840 and you find out

01:02:25.680 that it has to do

01:02:26.260 with male and female

01:02:27.200 it has to do

01:02:28.480 with his wife saying

01:02:29.400 you know

01:02:29.660 unsex me 0.99

01:02:30.400 and then I'll be free 0.98

01:02:32.100 of this you know

01:02:32.860 milk of humankind

01:02:33.840 as it flows through women 0.95

01:02:34.920 you know

01:02:35.200 and you think

01:02:36.320 oh they're undoing creation

01:02:37.620 and then you go back

01:02:38.220 what is creation

01:02:39.100 and where does that come from

01:02:40.040 and it starts to reveal

01:02:41.340 itself to you

01:02:41.940 and so I think

01:02:42.580 that's what I'm hoping for

01:02:44.180 because the arts

01:02:45.000 when I started

01:02:46.500 talking about

01:02:47.620 stuff like this

01:02:48.460 it was because the arts

01:02:49.600 have become a source

01:02:50.380 of ignorance 1.00

01:02:51.600 and stupidity 1.00

01:02:52.700 and that 1.00

01:02:54.080 if Snow White

01:02:55.580 and the Seven Dwarfs

01:02:56.260 is the bottom

01:02:56.880 of that barrel

01:02:57.560 as I so hope it is

01:02:58.880 then we begin

01:03:00.380 to turn around

01:03:01.020 and we begin to talk

01:03:01.900 about who men

01:03:02.540 and women are again 1.00

01:03:03.380 and how wonderful

01:03:05.160 it is

01:03:05.780 that things

01:03:07.520 are made like this

01:03:08.440 and that the bad guys

01:03:10.180 are the guys

01:03:10.540 trying to stop us

01:03:11.380 not the guys

01:03:11.940 trying to elevate us

01:03:13.260 above what it means

01:03:14.380 to be a human being

01:03:15.160 so you know

01:03:16.780 who was it

01:03:17.540 Solzhenitsyn

01:03:18.060 who said beauty

01:03:18.720 will save the world

01:03:19.420 or maybe it's Dostoevsky

01:03:20.160 and you know

01:03:22.400 I don't believe in that

01:03:25.480 in a kind of

01:03:26.020 airy fairy way

01:03:26.840 but one thing

01:03:28.000 and this is kind of

01:03:28.720 what the kingdom of Cain

01:03:29.840 is all about

01:03:30.360 is if you can take

01:03:31.880 something as tragic

01:03:33.400 as sad

01:03:34.220 as miserable

01:03:34.900 as cosmically catastrophic

01:03:36.880 as the crucifixion

01:03:38.760 of Jesus Christ

01:03:40.420 and turn it into a statue

01:03:42.000 as beautiful

01:03:42.680 as the Pieta

01:03:43.620 then you have to ask yourself

01:03:46.920 what is God doing

01:03:48.180 with the design

01:03:49.080 of this world

01:03:49.720 because the world

01:03:50.660 is so ugly

01:03:51.400 and it's so full of pain

01:03:52.480 and it's so full of evil

01:03:53.400 how can there be beauty

01:03:55.140 that comes out of that

01:03:56.040 and I think in the arts

01:03:56.880 you actually get an answer

01:03:57.860 to that

01:03:58.120 a little answer

01:03:58.900 to that big question

01:04:00.320 and I have a lot of hope

01:04:03.880 that if the arts come back

01:04:05.020 the West will come back

01:04:08.320 because let's face it

01:04:10.480 you guys are in as much trouble

01:04:11.760 as we are

01:04:12.400 and so

01:04:13.580 and I think

01:04:14.400 you know

01:04:14.900 I think that

01:04:15.600 a lot of this

01:04:16.460 is this cultural death

01:04:17.560 that we've been through

01:04:18.320 and hopefully

01:04:19.120 we'll go through

01:04:19.700 a cultural resurrection

01:04:20.600 Andrew

01:04:21.980 what a pleasure

01:04:22.860 always great to see you guys

01:04:24.300 final question

01:04:25.100 always the same

01:04:25.700 what's the one thing

01:04:26.520 we're not talking about

01:04:27.440 that we really should be

01:04:28.480 before Andrew answers

01:04:29.820 the final question

01:04:30.600 at the end of the interview

01:04:31.680 make sure you go

01:04:32.620 to our sub stack

01:04:33.380 the link is in the description

01:04:34.740 where you'll be able

01:04:35.600 to see this

01:04:36.320 can we now have

01:04:37.920 a female villain 0.78

01:04:38.740 or is it now

01:04:40.300 sexist to show

01:04:41.540 that women can be 1.00

01:04:42.260 pieces of crap as well 1.00

01:04:43.420 what's the best 0.99

01:04:44.800 Disney movie

01:04:45.400 of the past 20 years

01:04:46.820 what makes that movie

01:04:48.100 special

01:04:48.760 did you expect

01:04:50.340 at this point

01:04:50.960 in your public life

01:04:51.860 to have to face off

01:04:52.780 with so much anti-semitism

01:04:54.040 from both the left

01:04:54.820 and the right

01:04:55.540 well let's see

01:04:56.600 we actually did talk

01:04:57.460 about God

01:04:57.920 which I know

01:04:58.320 I can always see

01:04:58.940 your faces

01:04:59.360 well we're British

01:05:01.040 so it's a natural reaction

01:05:02.040 even religious people

01:05:03.840 in Britain

01:05:04.200 I know

01:05:05.360 I know

01:05:05.680 they react with horrors

01:05:07.100 you talked about love

01:05:08.200 we did that with love

01:05:09.040 as well

01:05:09.500 you know

01:05:10.760 I'm not sure

01:05:12.740 this answers your question

01:05:13.540 but I think

01:05:13.960 it does a little bit

01:05:15.140 J.D. Vance

01:05:16.060 made that speech

01:05:18.000 to the Europeans

01:05:19.100 and everybody

01:05:19.680 bounced on him

01:05:20.520 pounced on him

01:05:21.200 and I think

01:05:22.340 it was a really

01:05:22.840 important speech

01:05:23.600 because I got

01:05:25.160 a lot of letters

01:05:26.380 from Britain

01:05:26.880 from my friends

01:05:27.620 over there

01:05:28.080 when Trump

01:05:28.700 was re-elected

01:05:29.380 what do you

01:05:29.900 you know

01:05:30.400 explain yourself

01:05:31.680 you know

01:05:31.960 and I said

01:05:33.320 you guys

01:05:33.780 live in a country

01:05:34.540 where a person

01:05:36.040 can be threatened

01:05:36.680 with arrest

01:05:37.360 for silently praying

01:05:38.780 in his home

01:05:39.560 and you're preaching

01:05:40.520 to Americans

01:05:41.160 about freedom

01:05:41.840 when Britain

01:05:44.180 when people in Britain

01:05:45.680 are being threatened

01:05:46.460 with arrest

01:05:47.760 for praying silently

01:05:49.460 in their home

01:05:50.120 that's a threat

01:05:51.380 to freedom everywhere

01:05:52.860 if it happens here

01:05:54.460 the threat

01:05:55.220 has been carried out

01:05:56.100 because this is it

01:05:56.860 this is the last island

01:05:58.020 you know

01:05:58.340 I mean like

01:05:58.780 you know

01:05:59.600 we want you guys back

01:06:00.760 we want you to come back

01:06:01.800 and so I think

01:06:02.640 that the thing

01:06:03.240 that people aren't

01:06:04.020 talking about

01:06:04.560 is everybody

01:06:05.000 is yelling

01:06:05.660 at Donald Trump

01:06:06.440 for alienating NATO

01:06:09.180 but I think

01:06:10.300 Donald Trump

01:06:10.960 is actually trying

01:06:11.640 to save NATO

01:06:12.440 and he's trying

01:06:13.040 to save Europe

01:06:13.820 and I think

01:06:14.240 Europe needs saving

01:06:15.240 and the first thing

01:06:16.760 it has to do

01:06:17.300 is start to realize

01:06:18.400 that

01:06:19.420 it's not America 0.87

01:06:22.260 it's not a

01:06:22.980 multicultural society

01:06:24.500 it's actually

01:06:25.520 a unicultural society

01:06:27.020 the French are French

01:06:28.040 and the British are British

01:06:28.900 and the Spanish are Spanish

01:06:29.860 and I think that you

01:06:31.040 should preserve that

01:06:32.640 to some degree

01:06:33.520 and I don't mean

01:06:34.440 in a racist way

01:06:35.300 but I just mean

01:06:35.940 in a sort of proud way

01:06:37.880 of what you guys built

01:06:39.400 I mean

01:06:39.760 Europe

01:06:40.320 is still

01:06:41.740 a font

01:06:42.860 of cultural

01:06:43.620 wisdom

01:06:44.620 and knowledge

01:06:45.640 and it's all being suppressed

01:06:47.020 for this one purpose

01:06:48.720 and so I think

01:06:49.300 the thing that

01:06:50.100 we have to talk about

01:06:52.760 is

01:06:53.140 are we going to become

01:06:54.420 you hear people now saying

01:06:55.980 well America's a Pacific nation

01:06:57.480 you know

01:06:57.740 it's true right

01:06:58.440 we're big

01:06:59.180 we're

01:06:59.440 but I don't think

01:07:01.820 we should let go

01:07:02.740 of our source material

01:07:04.500 and I think

01:07:05.760 that that

01:07:06.220 relationship

01:07:07.440 I think

01:07:08.240 America's relationship

01:07:09.340 with Europe

01:07:09.740 and Europe's relationship

01:07:10.640 with itself

01:07:11.260 needs to be

01:07:13.080 seriously studied

01:07:14.200 and reformed

01:07:15.600 Andrew Clevin

01:07:16.740 so great to have you back

01:07:17.980 always great to chat

01:07:19.020 and the thing

01:07:20.720 that's amazing about you

01:07:21.580 is how prolific you are

01:07:22.460 because we're here once

01:07:23.480 like twice a year

01:07:24.740 every time we talk to you

01:07:25.620 you've got a new book out

01:07:26.400 so I really recommend

01:07:27.360 people check it out

01:07:28.460 because they're always brilliant

01:07:29.260 head on over to Substack

01:07:30.640 where we'll ask

01:07:31.360 your questions to Andrew

01:07:32.620 given the difference

01:07:35.840 in popularity

01:07:36.540 between books

01:07:37.440 and watchable media

01:07:38.560 like movies

01:07:39.140 TV shows

01:07:39.840 and even animated

01:07:40.640 online clips

01:07:41.420 would you recommend

01:07:42.700 younger novelists

01:07:43.700 get into different

01:07:44.600 medians

01:07:45.140 other than books

01:07:46.100 Broadway's smash hit

01:08:03.260 the Neil Diamond musical

01:08:04.560 A Beautiful Noise

01:08:05.940 is coming to Toronto

01:08:07.420 the true story

01:08:08.460 of a kid from Brooklyn

01:08:09.520 destined for something more

01:08:11.040 featuring all the songs

01:08:12.200 you love

01:08:12.800 including America

01:08:13.940 forever in blue jeans

01:08:15.260 and Sweet Caroline

01:08:16.460 like Jersey Boys 0.86

01:08:17.900 and Beautiful

01:08:18.520 the next musical

01:08:19.700 mega hit is here

01:08:20.820 the Neil Diamond musical

01:08:22.340 A Beautiful Noise

01:08:23.680 April 28th through June 7th

01:08:25.740 2026

01:08:26.700 the Princess of Wales Theatre

01:08:28.300 Get tickets at Mirvish.com

01:08:30.580 Get tickets at Mirvish.com

TRIGGERnometry - April 16, 2025

We Need a Cultural Resurrection

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