True Patriot Love - August 31, 2026


Canada’s Extortion Economy Is Exploding Into Violence


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00:00:00.920 Extortion. What's happening at the airports in Canada and more. It's Crime Day on TPL Media.
00:00:11.920 That means I'm joined with Paul Micucci. I'm Mike. Thanks, Paul. I appreciate this.
00:00:16.520 Well, I don't even know where to begin, except that I sent you a message last night.
00:00:20.660 I'm going down a rabbit hole, Paul, and I think that there is something that we need to address,
00:00:25.720 and i'm calling it the extortion economy a new crime in canada that seems to be just on the
00:00:31.640 ever swell and i said you i didn't realize when i was in surrey i was in the epicenter of this so bc
00:00:38.520 uh surrey uh police reported 138 extortion incidents in 2026 as of august 24th already
00:00:46.760 surpassing the 133 reported all of 2025. police also report 21 related shootings and two arsons
00:00:54.840 this year in surrey alone yeah of course well and i say that of course mike because you know with
00:01:01.480 immigration and and you know take a look at the history of canada for a minute right so
00:01:08.120 we've had you know immigration of different cultures uh since the beginning yeah that's
00:01:13.560 what we're made of country was formed um and immigration is wonderful but with immigration
00:01:18.600 comes culture and when i mean cultures um you know take a look at the irish immigrating to 0.63
00:01:24.200 canada yep right and they bought unions and they brought uh crooked union right and then the
00:01:30.920 italians came and they brought the mob and then you know now we have uh whether uh you're in surrey 0.73
00:01:38.440 so you have uh populations of indian people coming and they're bringing their cultures right which is 0.98
00:01:44.600 extortion kidnapping so there's different different cultures come with different different crime crime 0.98
00:01:49.800 sets right yeah and that's part of their culture and i don't mean i'm not being uh in a negative
00:01:54.200 way i'm not trying to be negative it's just reality right oh that's what they're born into
00:01:58.440 they're born and they've only seen that right so if you come from italy and you you grew up and
00:02:03.080 you're an italian you would only know mob families and you would know that italy is split up into
00:02:09.320 different families factions of families based on whether you're in the north in the south
00:02:14.520 where they're central and they control and and they provide think about it they provide funding
00:02:19.880 they provide security they provide so they are there are pseudo governments within governments
00:02:25.640 in countries that they come from so you know of course you go to surrey and and you know it's
00:02:30.920 interesting because people say oh i can't believe you're saying that there's movies about this mike
00:02:35.480 so they're like you know i i know my wife when i met her she would she would actually say i want
00:02:41.320 want to watch a movie tonight so we would watch an international movie an india movie or a nepalese
00:02:46.560 movie and it would be about people who are being kidnapped and taken to other countries and i'm
00:02:51.840 like oh that's a terrible movie she goes no that actually takes place but she says in you know in
00:02:56.980 my country quite frankly it's not uncommon for someone to come uh to pay a dowry to a family 0.65
00:03:04.180 take the daughter and take her back and put her into the sex slave market in another country. 0.71
00:03:13.320 And I'm like, you're kidding me? That really happens? It's just, it's very common. 0.99
00:03:16.960 It is a crime set from that country.
00:03:19.560 Yes. So why would we not expect it to come here? 1.00
00:03:24.880 Well, here's the other thing. We don't like to talk about it because nobody has,
00:03:29.180 we all have the common sense to say, this is not the entire culture.
00:03:34.180 This is a crime set associated with this certain culture, you know, factions of gangs within that that have made their way to Canada through that form of immigration and are starting to flourish.
00:03:47.640 Well, so let's talk about that for a minute, because on my trip, it was interesting.
00:03:52.160 My trip down to the east was very interesting because I had a few shows where I went to museums.
00:03:58.360 I actually visited historic sites and I talked to historians.
00:04:02.000 So, and they told me stories.
00:04:04.400 I went to Pictou.
00:04:06.980 Nova Scotia.
00:04:07.780 Yeah.
00:04:08.180 Oh, yeah.
00:04:08.600 I get there.
00:04:09.240 I had a great show.
00:04:10.820 And the gentleman that I actually interviewed was so interesting.
00:04:15.020 But he, you know, being my mother was from Scotland, he shared a bunch of history.
00:04:20.260 And the Scots were literally put in vessels, not even for people.
00:04:27.240 They were cargo vessels.
00:04:28.740 And they were shipped to Canada.
00:04:31.180 Yeah.
00:04:31.360 they were not of their own volition not of their own will and so whatever culture so quite frankly
00:04:38.740 you know a lot of these countries now have taken the people they don't we don't talk about it but
00:04:43.440 they've taken the people they don't want and they've said okay you know push them and it's
00:04:48.560 time for you to leave yeah you can leave or you can do the rest of your life in jail here or you
00:04:53.380 can be killed this connection for kill for murder yeah exactly so you know a lot of that happens
00:04:58.820 too so as they as they get out or they flee they flee to other countries you know given the fact
00:05:05.060 that canada was an open border after covet pretty much like some of the us was a lot of them came
00:05:11.060 here so it's not you know this doesn't shock me that we're in the middle of this right now right
00:05:16.500 well okay to your point peel regional police they've been dealing with extortion cases
00:05:22.180 involving threats shootings arsons really targeting south asian business owners and families
00:05:28.820 And the reason that I point this out, it's an important distinction, Paul, because this isn't a story about South Asian crime.
00:05:35.400 It's a major part of the story that is organized criminals deliberately targeting members of Canada's South Asian community.
00:05:44.240 So it's not like we're saying, okay, this is not a race-based issue.
00:05:54.040 This is a country, a foreign country associated crime set. 0.59
00:06:01.260 And now we're seeing it play out here. 0.99
00:06:04.440 Check this out.
00:06:05.560 17 arrests and 106 charges.
00:06:08.800 Peel investigated and came up with 17 arrests and 106 charges connected to 24 incidents.
00:06:15.020 24 incidents of extortion last year in Peel alone that involved weapons, involved an international
00:06:24.040 crime syndicate. It's not being born here in Canada. It is either extortion for the purposes 0.98
00:06:32.700 of paying somebody who's a foreign entity. So I just want to state that, that there's a huge
00:06:39.840 distinction between saying oh the south asian community has a crime problem and saying south
00:06:46.020 asians are being targeted in these crime issues that's a huge distinction because it kind of puts
00:06:54.000 us on a playing field where we are actually all equal right it could be scottish guys it could be
00:07:00.520 oh yeah you know well it was but you know it's interesting mike you know again you know i'm not
00:07:05.760 historian but you know quite frankly my my learnings from the east coast just remind me
00:07:11.440 quite frankly of even my childhood where you knew you knew the vig as a as a business owner
00:07:21.360 you knew how much you needed to pay for protection for protection and you know
00:07:27.520 when i i mentioned that when i went to the states i actually at one point was in florida
00:07:32.400 building a project and I was at my condo I was sitting at my condo and I had I just bought a
00:07:40.320 really nice car and a gentleman pulled up beside me and he actually said okay here's the here's
00:07:45.580 the price to protect your car on a monthly basis keep it from being stolen so I had to pay what
00:07:52.540 and we were all paying quite frankly and and this was just outside of Miami and it was all part of
00:07:57.700 the the syndicate that you had to pay to keep your car safe in that area so that is there a club we
00:08:04.020 can sign up for here in uh toronto because that's wild but that's wild but that but that's that's a
00:08:10.820 crime set yeah of that area yeah you know uh so it doesn't it can be you know it can be split into
00:08:18.340 areas it can be split into cultures it can be split you know what i mean but it has a pattern
00:08:23.460 that is distinctly from someplace else right yeah that was so that in that case it's latin right
00:08:30.020 right yeah so quite frankly and that's uh that's but you know you um over time so here's the
00:08:36.900 interesting part and uh you know as history has shown over time they get broken up yeah and then
00:08:42.420 a new one comes it's true the scottish union and irish union groups long long became either
00:08:49.140 legitimized or fell away yeah the mob i mean i'm sure that it's still there but not i mean i grew
00:08:54.580 up in a place called woodbridge ontario yeah so when i was a kid it was alive and well i'm not
00:09:00.740 sure that it's the same thing today no you know the gambino family all those families that we talked
00:09:05.220 about yeah you know years ago and uh gaudy and all the i choose to add no names to the list no
00:09:11.380 No, no, but they're all, I guess, as technology advanced and times changed, they all disappeared.
00:09:19.940 And quite frankly, I think as they developed and kids actually went on, they sent their kids to get university educated.
00:09:27.120 They did different things.
00:09:28.300 So it broke up, right?
00:09:29.640 People don't want to do it anymore.
00:09:31.040 The kids are actually lawyers now, not criminals.
00:09:34.680 Yeah, they took whatever monies they had left and, quite frankly, invested them in things that are legitimate and off they went. 1.00
00:09:40.640 So these all get broken up, and I think what we're seeing now is the entry of new cultures into Canada, 0.99
00:09:49.700 the issues they're bringing with them, and eventually they will dissolve too. 0.99
00:09:54.140 Some of these issues and these families and cartels and crimes will disappear over time.
00:09:58.520 Well, if you grew up as a kid in Canada, you don't want to be part of a syndicate
00:10:02.080 that is doing something internationally necessarily.
00:10:04.420 I think you probably become acclimated to living a good life as a Canadian.
00:10:09.760 And that is my hope.
00:10:12.960 Some numbers that might, I found this stunning.
00:10:16.760 Peel Police say that 16 shootings and 324 rounds were fired over the last year.
00:10:25.040 324 rounds fired at homes and businesses where people could be inside.
00:10:29.820 That's a huge level of violence increase in this one area.
00:10:36.200 Extortion is on the rise.
00:10:38.640 And by the way, the person shooting, now we're finding out,
00:10:42.180 is often not a personal beef.
00:10:44.640 It is an organized event.
00:10:48.960 Yeah.
00:10:49.680 Handed down from somebody, paid off at the shooting end,
00:10:53.620 and these guys bandito, boom, boom, boom, boom, along, 0.64
00:10:56.700 shoot at the homes and move on,
00:10:58.780 and they collect their $1,000 or whatever it is.
00:11:01.080 I don't know.
00:11:01.520 I have no idea what they would be paying.
00:11:02.920 But the other thing is OPP, CBSA, FINTRAC, and even the FBI have described criminal activity stretching across jurisdictions internationally out of these gangs and extortion operations here in Canada.
00:11:20.460 So they are actually being linked to foreign entities.
00:11:23.640 It's not from within.
00:11:25.460 No.
00:11:26.680 I mean, it grows from within. 0.99
00:11:28.600 Yeah, let's talk about it because, you know, it is from within because, you know, the people that arrive here are daisy-chained to the people in the old country, which is always the way it has always been.
00:11:39.920 But, you know, it's interesting, Mike, the new technologies we have.
00:11:44.080 So, you know, think about what we just talked about.
00:11:45.960 We talked about, you know, basically the starting of Canada, the crime families that came.
00:11:51.900 And now you're looking at all the new technologies that are available.
00:11:54.860 you know i do find it a little hard to believe that it's still going on in the same fashion and
00:12:00.380 form i find that a little and when you talk about the extortion piece you know the fact that now
00:12:06.020 you hit it on the head the reason i went down that rabbit hole paul is because it's deja vu
00:12:12.560 all over again uh and you pointed it out it started with you know gruff unions yeah the mob
00:12:19.980 bike gangs international crime is now that internationally inspired crime taking place
00:12:28.480 here in canada with connections to the old country whether it's debts or you know somebody
00:12:35.100 somebody has fallen uh into the view of one of these organizations yeah but they also are really
00:12:42.120 targeting people's homes and businesses so if you show a certain amount of wealth if you seem to have
00:12:47.800 a successful business much like the mob much like the unions before you're being held ransom and
00:12:55.100 it's not you have to think about it the product that they're actually out there with this economy
00:12:59.720 their product is fear not that we're going after everybody but that we might come after you right
00:13:06.760 right well and yeah it's an interesting one because in in the case you showed a little bit
00:13:13.600 again going back to you know years and years ago a lot of kind of these crimes were instigated off
00:13:21.400 of the fact that they actually loan money to start some of the businesses right so what happened is
00:13:27.020 a lot of the initial seed money back in the 1930s 40s and 50s that came in from uh for people who
00:13:33.780 had immigrated to canada came from back home which came from sources that weren't good sources right
00:13:39.840 So that was how the businesses got started.
00:13:43.300 I wouldn't be surprised if it's the very same thing.
00:13:45.820 You know, the Irish and the Italians, when they came to Canada,
00:13:48.340 I'm just using them as an example.
00:13:50.020 I'm not trying to pick on them.
00:13:51.100 You got one of each of us.
00:13:52.140 But when they came to Canada, quite frankly, they couldn't get loans.
00:13:57.380 The banks were not financing them.
00:13:59.220 So they had to find some source if they wanted to independently become entrepreneurs.
00:14:03.120 So that kind of forced them into the marketplace of that.
00:14:06.300 And then once you're hooked, you're hooked, right?
00:14:09.100 so then you know if you want to get out or you want to not make the payments you can't
00:14:13.500 so so some of the challenges but the new technologies that are in place so this is
00:14:17.900 the interesting thing mike that i can't figure out and some of this is okay now you know uh
00:14:24.620 whether it's a conversation whether it's a video whether it's surveillance whether like
00:14:30.380 the protection of yourself against this you know it's tough i know but there are tools you can use
00:14:38.140 to actually slow it down or deter it right and you know i'm i'm interested the more this happens
00:14:45.180 i'm thinking to myself okay shouldn't we be knocking it down faster because in this day and
00:14:50.380 age you know i i could see before when there was you know no phones no cells no surveillance whatever
00:14:56.380 it was easy to disappear into the night you know it was hard to protect yourself now it's really
00:15:01.820 wild that anybody who fires a weapon could get away with it yeah but you know but if you look
00:15:06.540 at quite frankly the number of cameras and you know plates stolen whether it's stolen or not
00:15:11.420 just the tracking back and even just the number of uh police what i say here it was uh opp cbsa
00:15:19.580 fin track i mean that means that they're watching where money's coming and going from
00:15:23.500 uh all of those and and the fbi so all of those have ex exceedingly enormous departments and
00:15:32.140 technology to handle this complex tools so you think that maybe we would be on top of this by
00:15:38.220 this point or maybe the other the other thing is and i should say this i don't want to come off like
00:15:42.540 a complaining larry but maybe actually we're in we're seeing the beginning stages of this being
00:15:50.220 handled uh for example peel region a new surveillance helicopter adding a new division
00:15:56.220 to deal with extortion so maybe now maybe we are using technology to get ahead of this right but
00:16:02.780 then it's got to catch up in the meantime this is the result 324 rounds fired at people's homes and
00:16:08.940 businesses so uh look i had another one if you don't mind for crime today sure uh the insider
00:16:15.180 threat at pearson not just at pearson international airport in toronto but you have to admit there's
00:16:22.380 been a lot of activity in and around that airport over the last year and most of it in the cargo
00:16:28.460 area most of it uh associated with people employed by companies at the airport or the airport itself
00:16:35.580 yeah uh here's here's what we got we got billions by the way billions of dollars are spent to secure
00:16:41.260 the airport but still last year six employees uh they reportedly were arrested by the rcmp
00:16:48.380 uh in a baggage tag switching thing 17 innocent passengers fell victim in that
00:16:55.600 very same scam uh 66 kilograms of cannabis was found uh in two suitcases uh 21 kill and by the
00:17:04.980 way it was uh left in an air canada baggage room and an employee was charged in that one uh 21
00:17:13.260 kilograms of cannabis in 2025 a case allegedly involving a baggage tag manipulation two long
00:17:19.180 time swiss port employees were charged 20 million dollars in a gold heist let's not forget that one
00:17:24.540 400 kilograms of gold paul disappeared from pearson in 2023 people were there canada employment
00:17:30.060 connections were among those accused and wanted so the connection was well that was that you remember
00:17:35.900 mike that was the one 6600 bars yeah that was go missing and and have you ever held a bar of gold
00:17:41.900 yeah oh yeah it's heavy it's crazy i held something that allegedly is a bar of gold
00:17:47.020 and it was this big it wasn't but gold must be exceedingly heavy right and and this is the one
00:17:52.860 where basically they took it they uh drove off with it they actually interviewed the gentlemen
00:17:59.660 who were involved in it uh the case went on so long they left the country and quite recently
00:18:07.260 uh the person or the the guy who was the lead in it for some reason came back to through pearson
00:18:14.300 and they caught him so they set him up coming back so he had already left he'd gone he was back
00:18:19.740 in india or wherever and he basically for some reason decided to come back and he didn't think
00:18:24.620 anyone would he was so brazen he didn't think anyone catch him at the airport they got him
00:18:28.620 coming back um well i think he was probably that brazen because he had a network inside the airport
00:18:34.060 that he thought was going to secure him getting through the process.
00:18:38.040 I guess, but it's crazy.
00:18:39.660 And then 65 illegal guns.
00:18:42.300 Yeah.
00:18:43.000 And so now, okay.
00:18:45.480 Why do we think the airports are so porous in Canada?
00:18:48.220 I don't really understand that.
00:18:49.940 Because, Quay, Frank, to your point, Mike, you know, the technology and, you know,
00:18:54.300 well, we all see it when we travel, right, the screening we go through.
00:18:57.400 It's incredible.
00:18:57.920 So we go through this massive amount of screening all the time,
00:19:01.020 and you think okay this my luggage has to be going through tremendous amount of screening and
00:19:06.140 diligence and so billions paul so is it just because it's people and they're bypassing the
00:19:13.320 systems and processes every one of these scenarios has a bypass potential that a human being can
00:19:19.880 actually execute that's the real problem that there's only so much technology and then it comes
00:19:24.920 down to human honesty or how easy it is from the inside to break through. And it's often a paper
00:19:33.640 thin wall between being secure and being the perpetrator. I think in those scenarios, you
00:19:39.860 figure that it's a secure cargo area. People are employed there every day. It becomes what it is
00:19:46.440 every day. We're doing cargo. We're doing this. We're doing that. You know what? I think that I
00:19:50.940 could manipulate the system in this way yeah and if it's happening in toronto oh my goodness montreal
00:19:59.580 halifax i mean let's be honest it's it's one of those things okay those are my two crime things
00:20:04.940 i think we need to have a look at the airports um and it seems to me like if by the way i often
00:20:10.460 think if this is what we caught what didn't we catch right yeah exactly because this again to
00:20:16.380 And to your point, you know, the one that happened on the 26th at Montreal Trudeau Airport.
00:20:23.280 Yeah.
00:20:23.760 Yeah.
00:20:24.060 It's like we're not talking total drug seized is 118 kilograms.
00:20:30.340 So 250 pounds.
00:20:32.440 That's an insane amount of drugs.
00:20:33.900 So you're moving.
00:20:34.280 That's a lot like, you know, two suitcases coming in, arriving on a flight from Punta Cana, Dominican Republic.
00:20:42.080 so it's not like they're you know that's a highly you know it's not like a place that
00:20:46.800 you wouldn't expect it coming in from no but they were brazen enough to think they could do it and
00:20:51.920 why yeah well why because they've obviously gotten away with it exactly so a lot in the past yeah so
00:20:58.880 probably started out at five five pounds went to 20 pounds went to 30 pounds all of a sudden
00:21:04.480 the guys like that we're you know we're not even getting close to being checked here
00:21:07.840 and then next thing you know we're off and running at 250 pounds right cocaine and cannabis
00:21:14.240 it's enormous street value yeah two things come to mind one is i watched it thanks to uh my uh
00:21:21.120 rigorous workout schedule i threw my back out as you know and i actually was forced to watch some
00:21:25.840 uh watch some netflix and one of the things that i watched on there was about how trafficking out
00:21:31.760 of Ibiza became a real serious problem people show up as tourists they get into the nightlife
00:21:39.680 they decide to stay for a couple more weeks they start to meet some people next thing they know
00:21:44.080 they're out of money and they want to stay and they become the victim they're the next mule oh
00:21:49.860 man and they get away with it two or three times now they're living the life in Ibiza they've got
00:21:54.920 cash of their own and just one of those times they get nabbed well the upper echelon of that
00:22:02.660 organization doesn't care about those those mules at all no no they do such huge numbers apparently 0.51
00:22:10.320 that these are like the red shirts on star trek they're probably going to get caught
00:22:14.560 at least a percentage of them the other thing that occurs to me is i watched a social media
00:22:19.620 clip the other day of a lady picking a brick of cocaine up in the beach in florida and holding it
00:22:25.720 up to her camera saying look what i just found you know street value of a hundred thousand dollars
00:22:29.440 no big deal just floating around in the water so if they're losing a hundred thousand dollars with
00:22:33.880 a coke over a boat yeah how much are we actually catching i think we need to hone it a bit certainly
00:22:39.940 at the airports yeah hey mike before we and i just wanted to go through this one before we uh
00:22:45.580 we finish off today but you know this one caught my eye yesterday and because we've done a lot on
00:22:50.860 bail reform so i'm just going to read this off for two minutes the canadian civil liberties
00:22:56.460 association who we know yeah and the criminal lawyers association i have no idea who they are
00:23:01.420 quite frankly i know they're out of toronto somewhere are challenging the constitutionality
00:23:05.820 of ontario's new cash bail system and seeking an injunction to suspend the rules until the case is
00:23:12.460 decided so i saw that come up yesterday and and you know the the new rules took effect earlier
00:23:18.140 this month and required people accused of a crime and granted bail to provide cash security deposits
00:23:25.260 within two days of their release so now it's being challenged so why do they want to challenge why
00:23:31.660 do you think they want to test this well here here's what i'd like to offer up because you know
00:23:35.660 this one is i'm totally puzzled with what these guys are doing at this point so system wasn't
00:23:41.260 working before yeah right so and it was terribly bad um you know is this the perfect system probably
00:23:49.820 not you know and there's the you know they're gonna make the case that there's a two-tiered system
00:23:55.660 that's what we keep hearing right so i get it i understand that okay guys what is the replacement
00:24:02.860 system then so you got to come up with some alternatives so to knock this down and to try
00:24:08.140 to knock it down and go back to where we were what just let the criminals have no bail no no cash
00:24:14.140 bail no security nothing at risk i i don't get it i'm i'm puzzled with this one and i and i i like
00:24:21.420 them i love them uh you know we'll put an offer into them to come well they'll make the argument
00:24:26.140 that the the people that can afford it are the the bigger criminals right sure okay sure okay
00:24:33.260 first of all you chose to do the crime right so now pay five million to get out bigger criminals
00:24:38.640 get bigger bills right i don't have i don't have five million well okay well then you're going to
00:24:43.400 jail you know what i mean if you have five million then you're putting five million up but but doing
00:24:48.020 nothing i i guess that's my i get it i understand your perspective on that i just you know i'm i'd
00:24:54.280 like to hear where they want to go with it because quite frankly you know we've been this has taken
00:24:59.620 forever we've suffered through it it seems like a pretty good idea to be honest with you
00:25:04.580 well i don't know what the solution is otherwise in the u.s there's lots of crazy stories about
00:25:10.240 you know security bail securities and bail bonds men yeah you know there's a commercial where people
00:25:15.660 are dancing around saying if you committed a crime come to me and get you know i get it i get
00:25:20.240 you know the lunacy of how this will go but i if you have other options i'd like to hear them
00:25:26.940 because right now i'm blank on this one i honestly i blanked out when i heard it i'm like okay guys
00:25:32.300 where are you going with this because knocking it down and what's your i guess you know this is where
00:25:38.060 i think we get into it on the show what's your motive like what do you worry what are you up to
00:25:43.100 why do you think this is a good idea and that's where i'd like to hear from you and you know
00:25:47.980 let's have a conversation about come on the show yeah let's actually have a chat about come on just
00:25:52.860 you know because i think the rest of the of society would like to hear what you're thinking
00:25:57.580 because you want to make this decision for all of society right is it a business is that okay i
00:26:05.500 understand that just tell us right yeah it'll it'll hurt my business therefore i don't want it to
00:26:09.820 happen okay i get it right just tell us but i don't even i don't even see how that is possible
00:26:14.940 because really what's going to happen now is you're going to have allegedly in this two-tier
00:26:20.860 system that they're talking about which is just pretty much bail i'm sorry i don't know i don't
00:26:25.660 know why we call it bail reform it's called bail they called it a surety before or whatever it was
00:26:30.060 surety yeah but what occurs to me is this actually allows our court system to catch up in some manner
00:26:38.620 in a reasonable time fashion okay we've got you on five million dollars yeah for two years not one
00:26:47.100 because we need to get to your actual trial and do a reasonable job trying the case yeah if you're
00:26:53.020 a runner then you lose the money you know that's what it is so i get it yeah i would love to i'm
00:27:01.660 i'm with you i would sit down any day with either of these groups and say okay what's your thinking
00:27:05.500 we understand we understand that thinking is not what you want to do yeah but what is your thinking
00:27:10.540 where does it go do we just go back to the broken system yeah okay and then why yeah so you need
00:27:16.620 you know what's your motivator yeah what's your mode just tell me because i'm i'm curious if it's
00:27:20.700 listen if it's just for personal gain okay but i right now i'm not getting it i don't say i
00:27:26.780 totally don't this is one where i'm like hmm i'm kind of with you i'm i'm a little shocked
00:27:31.820 don't understand why you spend the time and even do this but if love to learn honestly you got me
00:27:38.300 on this one i have to admit paul i would love to understand it yeah come on in please we'd love to
00:27:43.100 would love to chat yeah i uh by the way i'll reach out to them today because i think that that would
00:27:47.740 be that's fair i mean maybe we just don't have an idea and they haven't made the presentation
00:27:53.100 but yeah show us a case where it didn't work show us a bunch of cases where it went awry
00:27:58.060 show us you know compare what it was like before you know when we didn't have it how does it impact
00:28:04.060 our incarceration and and uh if you don't systems if you don't like it it must be somewhere else in
00:28:09.420 the world they do this better tell us who else does it better well listen we're willing to learn
00:28:13.820 on this one but oh my god you know who probably does it better who the netherlands they always do
00:28:18.380 it better for three months and then we keep it forever uh thanks for talking crime don't forget
00:28:23.180 tpl media we do this once a week uh we cover off on crimes if there's something that you think
00:28:27.980 you'd like us to talk about please reach out to us we would be happy to take a look at it thanks
00:28:34.060 to Christophe. Thank you, Paul.