Unify Action - October 10, 2026


They Couldn't ＂Handle the Facts＂ - Then Another Socialist Jumped In

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Sarah Dotzert
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00:00:00.000 The more socialist policies you implement, the worse things get.
00:00:03.460 Hence, California!
00:00:05.760 I want to say linearly. I don't know.
00:00:08.040 Come on, the socialist states in the states are the worst ones.
00:00:11.340 People are fleeing.
00:00:12.900 What is a socialist state?
00:00:14.600 There is no socialist state.
00:00:18.360 Places like, present examples, like California or New York,
00:00:22.680 where they're trying progressive taxation,
00:00:24.760 billionaires or people that are creating the revenue are leaving.
00:00:27.760 so so people like uh i don't know if that's happening in new york as much oh yeah he lost
00:00:34.240 13 billion dollars of revenue and like not to the extent like this they're not going to leave
00:00:38.840 new york just because he changes the tax yeah they are he's actually had to appeal to the state to
00:00:44.640 bail him out for all the money that he needs for that's what he has to do anyways because he needs
00:00:48.160 the state to back him when he tries to create those moves right but he would kind of need all
00:00:53.240 these billionaires and they are leaving he's lost revenue the municipal government doesn't
00:00:58.760 have the same capabilities that the state government does which is why he kind of had
00:01:04.460 to appeal which people knew going into that election anyways okay yes but he has still
00:01:10.400 lost a distinct difference between communism and socialism it's not that big personally i don't
00:01:20.100 Okay, so communism, you basically have no sense of private property whatsoever, so government owns everything, everything is in sense collective, and the idea of communism is that eventually we'll have no government, everyone will be re-educated enough that they will seek the greater good and be, like, fully community-minded, right?
00:01:39.660 But there's a government institution in socialism.
00:01:41.740 Yes.
00:01:43.020 And, well, technically communism just has that promise in the end, but there is government institutions in both.
00:01:48.660 just the difference is that in socialism you have some sense of private property
00:01:52.200 that's the difference so you still have high taxes big governments big government subjective term but
00:01:59.460 it is fairly large larger than capitalist governments and we have not we cannot point
00:02:04.920 to one successful socialist government out there let alone communist ones what were some what are
00:02:11.740 some failed socialist governments.
00:02:13.680 Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela,
00:02:16.260 Colombia, Chile.
00:02:17.700 You would point to a lot of Central
00:02:19.620 American and Southern American
00:02:21.820 socialist governments? I could point to more
00:02:23.860 there's a lot in Africa, there's a lot
00:02:25.780 like Colombia. A literal 0.98
00:02:27.580 capitalist superpower might have intervened there 0.91
00:02:29.720 a little bit. Okay, what about
00:02:31.580 like Colombia and Pol Pot? 0.98
00:02:34.520 Like, they
00:02:35.440 have not interfered in every single one.
00:02:38.120 And they had failures in like Sweden
00:02:39.600 and England. There's failures.
00:02:41.140 I don't know the whole law. I don't want to speak too much because I can't really back up a lot of what I'm saying.
00:02:46.080 But I do know there are places in Singapore which incorporate socialist kind of ideas.
00:02:52.240 Okay, but is it voluntary?
00:02:53.360 They are known as successful governments.
00:02:56.600 Yeah, the chief difference between having a completely socialist government and just a socialist communal community
00:03:03.240 is that the community is voluntary. The government is not.
00:03:07.340 So you're arguing that the whole government as a whole be socialist is a scam?
00:03:12.340 Yeah. And implementing, the more socialist policies you implement, the worse things get.
00:03:17.340 Hence, California!
00:03:19.340 I want to say it's linear, I don't know about a lot of things.
00:03:23.340 The socialist states in the states are the worst ones, people are fleeing.
00:03:26.340 What is a socialist state? There is no socialist state in the United States.
00:03:30.340 Yeah, but they are implementing socialist policies.
00:03:32.340 Have you been to New York?
00:03:34.340 Okay, so socialist policies develop roads. Are you opposed to public roads?
00:03:40.300 Okay, hold on. Hold on. I do like to have one conversation at a time.
00:03:46.020 Hey, sub in.
00:03:47.220 We can sub in.
00:03:49.140 Okay, so are you opposed to public roads? Are you opposed to public schooling?
00:03:55.160 Because those are forms of socialization and social programs designed to serve the common good.
00:04:00.500 I am assuming you're not opposed to those things.
00:04:03.400 no i'm not hold on hold on hold on so in a socialist government in a socialist society you
00:04:11.120 have you are taxing the rich and against their consent in essence when you have a community
00:04:16.100 where your taxes are equal and fair then that is they can consent to that right through voting and
00:04:22.760 everything else if they don't like it they can leave but if you have a socialist government
00:04:26.500 you are oppressing one group it is against free will it's against private property rights everything
00:04:31.660 Well, we live in a society and you live under a social contract, and we all live under a social contract in which we are sacrificing some of our rights in exchange for security, pensions, health care, education, public health.
00:04:46.660 So, for a rich person who's using it to gain their wealth through whether it be manufacturing, physical things.
00:05:01.720 I'm not talking about investment.
00:05:03.200 Okay.
00:05:04.700 When you have that, they utilize public utilities.
00:05:08.920 So, it should follow that they should pay more because they are using more public utilities.
00:05:13.260 is because they are using more roads.
00:05:18.680 This is an example of socialism I don't like, when they honk it.
00:05:23.080 Okay, okay.
00:05:25.120 But they utilize public utilities a lot more,
00:05:29.280 so they should be paying more...
00:05:30.940 Personally, or the people that work for them?
00:05:33.960 Because they're the ones hiring.
00:05:35.560 So they should be...
00:05:36.520 It's not the workers who are saying,
00:05:38.420 I'm going to use this road.
00:05:40.620 They are being told by their employers,
00:05:42.420 They're saying you need to deliver this good to this place using this road.
00:05:48.220 So your argument is based on usage?
00:05:50.560 I'm primarily on usage because of pure violence of usage.
00:05:54.340 Okay.
00:05:55.320 So in the United States already, the top 10% of the earners pay 45% of the income tax.
00:06:01.420 Is that something based on the usage of their companies?
00:06:03.800 Because most people are employed by small businesses.
00:06:06.700 Well, but are small businesses utilizing public utilities to nearly the same extent that large corporations are?
00:06:17.360 Well, as a sense of volume, they're using more.
00:06:21.580 Right?
00:06:22.460 But the top 10%.
00:06:23.860 Again, so, if you were to point to places like Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and say that, hey, they're more socialist than we are right now.
00:06:31.740 And they pay more taxes.
00:06:32.720 as a whole group, but their top 25 pay exactly 25% of the income tax.
00:06:38.840 Their tax system is a lot fairer than what we would have in Canada, less progressive.
00:06:46.220 So are you advocating for a more flat tax rate?
00:06:50.300 In essence, yeah.
00:06:51.040 So what you're saying is that someone who's income...
00:06:55.040 Like, I forget the exact term, but someone who's making $30,000 a year, or $30,000, $45,000, whatever, 25% taxed, stick with that, because it's nice and round.
00:07:11.680 Okay, and sorry, which country are we just talking, like, hypothetically?
00:07:14.300 I'm just saying, hypothetically, if we would have a flat system, someone who is earning $40,000, because it's easy for me to have to bring a job for the head, and they're doing...
00:07:24.800 We have a flat 25% tax.
00:07:26.860 Someone who's making $40,000 is losing $10,000,
00:07:30.900 which, taken within the context of how much they earn,
00:07:35.620 is a lot more than someone who's making $400,000, $4 million.
00:07:41.360 I'm assuming you understand what I'm saying.
00:07:43.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know percentages, yeah.
00:07:44.480 So that's the issue with the flat tax,
00:07:47.340 because it impacts disproportionately those who make less.
00:07:51.720 So, in a sense, it's actually regressive rather than regressive.
00:07:55.280 Okay.
00:07:56.320 All right.
00:07:57.300 So, like, what are you advocating then for?
00:08:01.260 You're advocating for progressive taxation.
00:08:03.140 Is that it?
00:08:03.940 Correct.
00:08:04.140 Okay.
00:08:04.720 All right.
00:08:05.420 So, you can have some tiered system and still have it sort of fair, kind of.
00:08:12.220 So, the trouble is when you tax more from the rich, they leave.
00:08:19.080 Hence, New York, the other places, right?
00:08:22.520 This is the concept of the Laffer curve, yes.
00:08:24.280 Okay.
00:08:24.560 But you can, with the Laffer curve, there is a point at which tax revenue starts to go down.
00:08:30.760 So it's just a matter of determining where in which that point exists.
00:08:36.560 Is it 50%, 45%, whatever.
00:08:39.220 Okay.
00:08:39.460 So wherever that point exists, where it is not, there isn't that great risk of capital flight, I would say that would be a responsible point to place it.
00:08:55.660 And I think another thing we can do with tax measures is we look to public utilities.
00:09:05.960 Okay.
00:09:07.600 I'm bringing back the public roads.
00:09:09.260 Right now, we are relying on a lot of public utilities, public roads, essentially that were built in the post-war era, in the 1950s.
00:09:22.920 So we risk, right now, because we are not doing large capital investments, and we don't have the funding space without going into massive deficits,
00:09:31.240 because we have such a relatively low tax rate at the moment, we risk there.
00:09:39.260 Relying on ever diminishing quality of goods, things of that matter.
00:09:59.260 Okay.
00:10:00.260 So, what we need right now in order to reinvest, I love public transit, so what I would say for public education, these things are investments in people and productive, productive, I'm forgetting the exact term, productive citizens.
00:10:27.660 Productive citizens. Let's stick with that.
00:10:30.660 So, using that, using that income, we can pay for things like hiring a university campus.
00:10:43.660 I'm selfishly saying we should have no tuition in my pure self-interest to say that.
00:10:48.660 I do think it would be a good public policy to have a broad or some form of free public
00:10:57.940 tuition because it would increase the capacity for each individual worker to be more productive,
00:11:06.780 to have higher qualifications. Thus, the individual worker can do more for their business.
00:11:14.340 So are you suggesting in more education?
00:11:17.960 I'm saying, I think the issue that I'm having is I don't know what you're defining socialism as.
00:11:26.320 Government ownership of the means of production and wealth redistribution.
00:11:29.820 So wealth distribution is not socialism in and of itself.
00:11:33.780 It's a socialist idea.
00:11:35.340 Socialism in and of itself is common ownership of the means of production.
00:11:38.780 Okay.
00:11:39.540 Through the state.
00:11:40.360 Yeah.
00:11:40.520 And all these things are not socialist in nature.
00:11:45.520 They kind of are.
00:11:47.320 They kind of are, but they're not socialist in the traditional sense.
00:11:52.900 Like the pure Marxist definition.
00:11:56.080 Common normative definition is better.
00:11:57.760 But these socialist policies, these socialist institutions,
00:12:05.020 actually serve a greater interest
00:12:09.160 because they serve the public at large
00:12:11.680 and the public gets in return for paying these things.
00:12:15.920 Even the rich.
00:12:17.840 You were talking about earlier how the rich pay more.
00:12:21.020 If we have a socialist orientation
00:12:27.060 where we have
00:12:29.740 Free public tuition.
00:12:36.820 Okay.
00:12:38.460 I'm just trying to understand you here.
00:12:40.020 So you're advocating for more social services paid by the public for the benefit of society.
00:12:47.680 For the benefit of society at home, paid through higher taxes,
00:12:51.840 whether it be through a general, like everyone's paying 5% more,
00:12:55.700 or is it more targeted as you go higher up?
00:12:59.080 Okay.
00:12:59.740 The income scale.
00:13:02.860 So I would point out, though, that a lot of students,
00:13:06.920 especially the ones that are coming out of the university system now,
00:13:10.480 they are ending up, at least half of them are ending up in fields
00:13:13.440 where they are not using their degree, right?
00:13:15.820 So I wouldn't say that necessarily making university education
00:13:20.100 entirely across the board free is going to actually benefit them
00:13:24.960 because they might be just wasting their time.
00:13:27.800 right now they're going into huge amounts of debt and wasting their time so then they'd just
00:13:33.060 be wasting their time and like wasting society's money no i i do you think do you think that
00:13:40.420 because we have people who do who don't are unemployed but they go into high school
00:13:47.240 are we wasted public money no because we have given them basic knowledge of how to conduct
00:13:52.280 themselves as citizens but i would say that university education itself is not always
00:13:56.600 necessary especially when you can save all that debt and go work right away well this is where
00:14:06.020 it gets tricky nowadays I personally have tried to apply to so many jobs oftentimes you get left
00:14:15.900 unread. It is almost a prerequisite nowadays for young people in particular to have some
00:14:25.400 sort of higher education or specialist training to even get an interview. It's horrendous.
00:14:32.280 Right, yeah. But oftentimes it's unnecessary. It's unnecessary, but it's a nice to have.
00:14:39.360 But unnecessary. Unnecessary depending on...
00:14:42.600 Ocidal pressure, basically.
00:14:43.600 Yeah.
00:14:44.600 And there is also, when we have these broader...
00:14:54.600 Policies?
00:14:55.600 Yes.
00:14:56.600 Pardon?
00:14:57.600 Broader welfare?
00:14:59.600 Yeah.
00:15:00.600 Like, broader access to higher education.
00:15:02.600 Okay.
00:15:03.600 Those individuals who can't currently afford it, but who otherwise would be able to go to university, college, skill training.
00:15:21.180 When they have this opportunity, we are expanding the pool of labor, of trained labor, that can do...
00:15:32.960 Amazon? Right now we're talking about building the Alto high-speed rail. That's going to
00:15:43.180 require people who are trained engineers. If we have a broad base of skilled engineers
00:15:52.080 that have been trained through the public dime, but we now have a high-skilled workforce
00:16:02.940 that can do the jobs, basically with some training still, but basically pick up the shovel and immediately start working.
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