Valuetainment - December 21, 2025


“Baby AOC’s Are Winning” - AOC vs Vance Poll SPARKS SHOCKING 2028 Showdown


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642

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AOC leads J.D. Vance for the first time in a hypothetical 2028 election matchup, according to a new poll from Newsweek. The two candidates are within a 2.7 point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied.

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00:00:00.000 According to a new poll from Newsweek, not Newsweek poll, Newsweek writes this article.
00:00:06.640 I'll tell you who the poll is from.
00:00:09.060 AOC officially leads J.D. Vance for the first time in a 2028 election matchup.
00:00:15.040 I'm sorry, what did you say, Pat?
00:00:16.860 Yeah, exactly.
00:00:17.460 The socialist, AOC, Democratic socialist, leads J.D. Vance for the first time.
00:00:27.620 You know, the Republicans, oh, J.D. Vance is a shoo-in, oh, it's done.
00:00:32.200 Oh, really? Yeah. All right.
00:00:34.860 AOC, a slight lead over J.D. Vance in a hypothetical 2028 matchup.
00:00:41.880 AOC edges the Republican nominee 51 to 49.
00:00:49.020 In the argument Verisite survey released on Tuesday,
00:00:53.360 however, the result was within the 2.7% point margin of error,
00:00:59.080 making the two candidates statistically tied.
00:01:02.000 The poll asked voters who they would vote if the election was between the two of them.
00:01:06.180 Newsweek reached out to the representatives of Vance and AOC by email to comment on the story
00:01:10.660 outside of normal business hours.
00:01:12.700 While neither individual has formally announced a presidential run,
00:01:17.080 both have been widely tipped as potential candidates.
00:01:19.360 So, the poll also found that Vance was more popular among white voters,
00:01:26.160 with 57% saying they would vote for him,
00:01:29.100 and 43% opting for Ocasio-Cortez.
00:01:32.560 But she has a commanding lead with black voters, 79%.
00:01:37.800 And with Hispanic voters, she's at 64%.
00:01:41.040 Keep in mind, black voters 79% just 20 years ago was 92%.
00:01:46.020 Just 10 years ago was 88%.
00:01:48.360 So, even 79% is not as high as it once used to be just a decade ago.
00:01:53.720 So, Tom, is this a real poll,
00:01:56.100 and is this something the American people should be concerned about,
00:01:58.280 specifically conservatives?
00:02:00.280 Well, yes and yes.
00:02:01.060 Yes, it's a real poll.
00:02:02.060 It was the argument Verisite survey, you know,
00:02:04.380 and you could say, well, there's flaws in them.
00:02:06.220 Typically, over time, they haven't been perfectly accurate.
00:02:09.280 Yeah, well, but you know what?
00:02:10.780 Think of these polls, Pat, as directional, that it's directional.
00:02:13.700 So, it's a real poll, and people should be concerned about it.
00:02:16.800 The other polls that are out there that have J.D. Vance versus the field,
00:02:21.460 Vance holds his own at like 37%, 39%,
00:02:24.300 and the second in those polls is Gavin Newsom, like at 22%.
00:02:29.760 So, when you do Vance against the Democrat field, everybody goes, wow, he's way up on them.
00:02:35.960 But you have to remember, everybody in those polls that's Republican is saying Vance.
00:02:41.160 The Democrats are splitting their votes about everybody that's down there.
00:02:45.580 And when you take off, excuse me, Gavin Newsom, then it's this.
00:02:50.420 So, whenever you do a head-to-head poll like this in the midst of going into weakness in midterm,
00:02:56.020 I'm not surprised by the result.
00:02:57.980 However, this should be a concern for the GOP and for Vance and people
00:03:03.280 because what it means is this is a consolidated Democrat side right now
00:03:08.300 is closer than you think and may even be a little bit ahead
00:03:12.160 because the economy and affordability and some other issues are very real.
00:03:16.580 So, this is something to be concerned about, and she's capable.
00:03:19.260 The other thing I look at, now this is me going to go below the surface,
00:03:22.920 who paid for this poll?
00:03:24.480 Usually politicians pay for the polls.
00:03:26.800 The pollsters just don't go out and do it.
00:03:28.740 They have donors and they have sponsors of the polls.
00:03:32.440 So, did some people on AOC's side said, let's run this.
00:03:36.300 And then they run it and they go out.
00:03:38.280 And I found it was odd that Newsweek said,
00:03:40.580 we reached out to representatives by email outside of normal business hours.
00:03:44.840 I hate it when the media does that.
00:03:46.800 Oh, like I called them, we got no comment from AOC or Vance.
00:03:51.520 We did send the email at midnight, so I've got to be honest about that.
00:03:54.360 That's such BS.
00:03:56.000 What do you mean?
00:03:56.840 Well, it's like they say, we couldn't get in touch with them.
00:03:59.860 Well, when did you set it?
00:04:00.700 So, they openly say, well, we did send the email after business hours.
00:04:05.140 Yeah, but to be fair to them, neither one of them responded.
00:04:08.220 So, it's not like they sided with somebody.
00:04:09.940 By the way, is there a chance?
00:04:10.800 But they didn't respond at midnight.
00:04:12.020 Tom, did you find out who funded the poll?
00:04:14.460 I'm actually curious.
00:04:15.400 No, but I want to know who funded the poll.
00:04:16.900 How can we find out?
00:04:18.400 Usually, you can find in the fine print of the polls,
00:04:20.680 and looking at what's called crosstabs and the fine print,
00:04:23.080 said that this poll was sponsored by the United States DNC.
00:04:28.640 Usually, you can see the sponsors.
00:04:30.220 Let me tell you.
00:04:31.380 ABC will ask Ipsos, say, we'd like you to do a poll.
00:04:34.460 A part of me is, you know, the way I would do it if this was the world I was in.
00:04:40.200 You know how I would do it, Tom?
00:04:41.560 I would do it as a conservative and funded, showing AOC's ahead.
00:04:44.960 Are you freaking kidding me?
00:04:46.140 Light a fire.
00:04:46.960 Like, they better realize what the hell is going on.
00:04:48.880 While you guys are working for ranking on influence and media and podcasts and all this stuff,
00:04:53.780 the Democrats are whooping your ass.
00:04:55.640 If it's just about the podcast game, then great.
00:04:58.500 You're doing fine.
00:04:59.220 But it's about your values and principles winning, you're losing.
00:05:04.300 If it's this close, there's a problem.
00:05:05.920 That's my opinion.
00:05:06.820 Interesting.
00:05:07.340 Vinny, where are you at?
00:05:08.040 AOC against J.D.
00:05:09.240 By the way, can you play that clip by AOC, what she says?
00:05:11.640 Watch this, folks.
00:05:12.860 She was asked, if you guys went head-to-head, how do you think you would do against J.D.?
00:05:18.360 Look what she says.
00:05:20.880 Go for it.
00:05:21.540 Read the button.
00:05:22.300 Do you think that you could beat J.D. Vance in a head-to-head race for president,
00:05:26.080 as polling suggests in 2028?
00:05:27.940 Listen, these polls, like three years out, are, you know, they are what they are.
00:05:33.260 But let the record show, I will stomp him.
00:05:37.500 I will stomp him.
00:05:39.300 Thank you, Congresswoman.
00:05:41.220 I will stomp him.
00:05:42.360 I will stomp him.
00:05:43.380 Do you think she kind of knew the question?
00:05:45.180 Of course.
00:05:45.660 I don't know if she knew the question.
00:05:46.980 I know she knows about the poll.
00:05:48.740 Did you see that?
00:05:49.540 The vibe she gave me she knew about the poll.
00:05:51.180 That's a little smug.
00:05:51.980 Rob, is that saying who did the poll?
00:05:53.340 Yes, it's an argument verisite poll.
00:05:55.640 Apparently, the organization was founded in August of this year.
00:05:59.880 Okay.
00:06:00.480 And they found about Jerusalem DeMoss.
00:06:02.060 Who is Jerusalem DeMoss?
00:06:04.020 Tyler Cohen.
00:06:04.900 Is that a left guy or a right guy?
00:06:07.480 Who's Tyler Cohen?
00:06:09.020 Who's Susan?
00:06:10.700 Including left center, central liberal leanings.
00:06:14.700 I don't know these names.
00:06:15.680 Rachel Pritzker is in there.
00:06:18.380 Okay.
00:06:18.600 So it's a leftist.
00:06:19.600 Yeah.
00:06:19.840 It's a leftist.
00:06:20.480 Okay.
00:06:20.540 People that really don't like the country.
00:06:21.580 All right.
00:06:21.780 So it's a leftist idea.
00:06:23.640 So, Vinny, what do you have with this?
00:06:25.660 Well, poll aside, I'm just, listen, this Mamdani effect and all the, this movement, that's the future of the Democratic Party.
00:06:32.920 It's socialism.
00:06:33.740 It's communism.
00:06:34.520 It's promising young people free stuff that they're never going to get, that they're going to pay for it.
00:06:39.940 And I think, and it's a real, real thing, real serious thing that people need to worry about.
00:06:44.080 And that's why I'm, I'm pro, like the mission should be us.
00:06:47.840 And I, and I, I take a little, like, it bothers me that a lot of people are like, influencers are going to take that.
00:06:53.980 You know what people need to be doing?
00:06:55.540 How about all those Republicans and all those races and everything?
00:06:58.880 Get your asses out there.
00:07:00.320 Go do your thing.
00:07:01.320 Go grassroots.
00:07:02.360 Do everything.
00:07:02.980 Because guess what?
00:07:04.080 Daddy's Trump co-signing isn't as powerful as it used to be.
00:07:07.800 You need to be out there, all these people, because they just think, well, if Trump co-signs for me and says he's behind me, I'm going to win.
00:07:13.900 No, no, no.
00:07:14.700 You have to do the work.
00:07:16.140 Get out there and do it.
00:07:17.200 They're doing the work.
00:07:18.620 The AOCs and all these Jasmine Crockett's, that's, to me, it's scary because they're out there and the message is getting out there to these young voters who have no idea, who have no idea.
00:07:29.620 We're all going to see what's going to happen in New York.
00:07:32.280 Give it two years with all these fake promises.
00:07:34.320 All this fake socialist communist stuff is going to happen.
00:07:38.080 They're going to get in.
00:07:38.980 And I keep warning people what's going to happen when the pendulum swings and these people, by the way, AOC is one of the people that said, well, the world's going to end.
00:07:47.000 She's like, because of climate change, the world's going to be end.
00:07:49.600 So even in her presidency, we're probably all going to be dead in her mind.
00:07:53.460 So I think it's a very, very scary thing that people need to be aware of.
00:07:56.240 Well, the artillery of the left is the media, and the media has been doing a very consistent job.
00:08:03.260 I'm not going to say good job.
00:08:04.520 They've been very consistent in their attacks on, oh, it's affordability, affordability.
00:08:09.160 Now, there's some truth that's in that.
00:08:10.800 But then they're also saying, and the tariffs called inflation.
00:08:13.620 The tariffs cause inflation.
00:08:14.980 You look at polls right now.
00:08:16.300 People think tariffs cause inflation because the media has been hammering their heads.
00:08:21.060 They actually didn't.
00:08:22.140 But that doesn't matter.
00:08:23.500 So therefore, the anti-Trump undermining at the time where the economy is trying to adjust is working.
00:08:29.720 And the average person is saying, yeah, I do feel the economy.
00:08:32.760 I do feel this.
00:08:33.960 And so now it's showing up right here.
00:08:36.220 And say what you will about Gavin Newsom.
00:08:37.740 But when you see the polling that's this close right now, the Republicans don't have a messaging problem.
00:08:42.320 They have a messaging problem and a policy-getting-traction problem.
00:08:46.840 Because I think some of the things that the president said on his speech were good and correct.
00:08:51.120 But they need traction and momentum behind that that shows up in the hands and pocketbooks of the American people.
00:08:56.400 Hey, Tom, who was the pollster on this?
00:08:58.500 This is a left-leaning poll that was just created.
00:09:00.900 The argument, they call it the argument, in August of 2025.
00:09:03.920 So this new polling organization was created.
00:09:07.300 How much credibility do you give this organization?
00:09:10.000 Moderate.
00:09:11.000 Okay, I'm at zero.
00:09:12.280 Maybe 1%.
00:09:13.300 I don't think they only found a group of people that went only this way.
00:09:17.040 I think it's very legitimate to get a group of voters that say, are people upset enough at the economy?
00:09:23.580 You're giving it zero.
00:09:24.880 Yeah, I'll tell you why.
00:09:26.200 You're giving zero credibility.
00:09:28.260 Let me set you up.
00:09:29.860 You're giving zero credibility to a poll that has AOC ahead of J.D. Vance.
00:09:33.580 Go for it.
00:09:34.900 It was established in August of 2025, so it's about three months old.
00:09:40.580 Congratulations on your rookie year, pollsters.
00:09:43.140 We also know how much credibility I give pollsters.
00:09:46.260 I trust Vegas because they have money on the line.
00:09:48.740 Not some literal left-wing pollster rag that's coming out there.
00:09:53.820 And shockingly, AOC is beating J.D. Vance in this one poll within the margin of error.
00:09:59.360 This ain't Gallup.
00:10:00.140 This ain't Pew.
00:10:00.740 This ain't Rasmussen.
00:10:01.980 This ain't YouGov.
00:10:02.680 This ain't even ABC, CBS, NBC.
00:10:05.220 None of it.
00:10:05.620 It's some random media organization that's like, yeah, AOC hypothetically can beat J.D. Vance.
00:10:11.140 To me, that's absolute BS.
00:10:13.200 Oh, my God.
00:10:13.680 AOC is an intellectual lightweight compared to J.D. Vance.
00:10:19.040 She may have more style.
00:10:21.120 She may have more Twitter followers in the land of eyeballs and influencer economy.
00:10:27.660 J.D. Vance is a real dude.
00:10:29.680 I'm not the biggest J.D. Vance guy.
00:10:31.680 So I'm not here defending J.D.
00:10:33.420 But in a debate full on hypothetical debate, if they're on stage between the vice president, J.D. Vance and AOC on stage, she's going to get her clock cleaned.
00:10:45.580 And it's not even going to be close.
00:10:47.600 And just because you're a big booty Latino, they ain't going to help you on this one.
00:10:50.940 So to me, this polls BS, AOC running for president is BS.
00:10:55.800 Yes, she has influence in the Democratic Party.
00:10:59.380 She has no influence in a greater landscape for the American economy.
00:11:04.220 That's just me.
00:11:05.080 Secondly, Erica Kirk came out during Turning Point and said that she's going to do her best to help get J.D. Vance elected.
00:11:12.380 We'll see what happens with that.
00:11:14.240 My focus is let's end the year strong.
00:11:17.480 Let's try to win the midterms so the trans community doesn't make a comeback.
00:11:21.760 And then we can worry about 2028 in 2028.
00:11:25.320 So to me, AOC is a nonstarter.
00:11:27.820 We haven't had a representative go from representative to president in the history of America.
00:11:33.100 And you think it's going to happen with this intellectual lightweight AOC, not me.
00:11:37.380 What a pompous argument you just made.
00:11:38.360 Sure, call me pompous, but I'm right.
00:11:40.420 No, you don't understand.
00:11:42.640 You know how many times you've been wrong, guy?
00:11:44.080 Like, you know what a pompous argument that is?
00:11:46.860 Tell me why it's pompous.
00:11:47.660 Let me tell you why it's pompous.
00:11:49.080 That is by far the worst argument to have right now in this season.
00:11:53.240 Explain.
00:11:53.860 I'll tell you exactly why.
00:11:55.880 I'll tell you exactly why.
00:11:58.220 Tell me the biggest victory Republicans have had the last 90 days.
00:12:01.380 Go ahead, I'll wait.
00:12:02.720 Go ahead.
00:12:03.740 What do you mean the biggest victory?
00:12:04.660 Cook, you tell me the biggest Republican victory that they've had in any of the major elections.
00:12:11.420 Tell me a big victory they've had.
00:12:12.720 No, of course, because the pendulum has swung back towards the other party,
00:12:17.600 just like it does every single midterm, every single election.
00:12:20.320 On day one, when this guy Mamdani came up, did you think he was going to become the mayor of the city?
00:12:24.880 No, you did not.
00:12:26.340 So don't act like you knew Mamdani was going to win or not.
00:12:29.080 None of us did.
00:12:29.900 No.
00:12:30.060 Everybody was shocked.
00:12:31.580 And guess what happened?
00:12:32.860 He beat Eric Adams' step down.
00:12:36.420 In liberal New York City.
00:12:38.020 It does.
00:12:38.720 Okay.
00:12:39.280 That matters.
00:12:39.660 Then Miami.
00:12:40.740 After Suarez.
00:12:41.800 What do you want to do?
00:12:42.760 What argument do you want to go with this?
00:12:44.620 That what?
00:12:44.860 The new, the new, the new, just because a Democrat gets elected, that doesn't mean there is.
00:12:48.220 First time in 27 years.
00:12:49.840 Okay.
00:12:50.220 Because it's an affordability conversation.
00:12:52.060 No, but that's the point.
00:12:52.640 Okay.
00:12:52.840 So stay on that.
00:12:53.820 Okay.
00:12:54.380 There's a difference between a Democrat.
00:12:56.420 No.
00:12:56.520 Progressive and an Islamist communist in New York City.
00:12:59.780 The problem, the problem with this is, Adam, is the following.
00:13:03.880 Okay.
00:13:04.380 In the world of competition and winning, chips are not handed out.
00:13:09.420 In the world of competition and winning, do you know who loses?
00:13:14.400 An undefeated New England Patriots going up against a freaking Eli Manning, who nobody
00:13:22.480 would have ever thought was going to win, beats the flipping Patriots.
00:13:25.280 Two times.
00:13:26.240 The helmet catch.
00:13:27.520 Tyrese.
00:13:28.000 Two times.
00:13:28.880 The game shouldn't have been that close.
00:13:29.920 Two times.
00:13:30.500 So what's the point here?
00:13:32.120 That should have been the greatest team ever that for the rest of our careers, we talk
00:13:35.800 about undefeated, okay?
00:13:37.280 So the moment, the pompous attitude of the Miami Heat against the Dallas Mavericks making
00:13:43.760 fun of Dirk, he's sick, he's coughing.
00:13:47.320 He whooped your ass single-handedly.
00:13:50.580 The second best player on that team was who?
00:13:52.440 Finley.
00:13:53.340 Dirk beat Miami Heat with Bosh, Wade, and LeBron with a six-inch vertical leap.
00:13:59.020 He can't even jump.
00:14:00.760 He beat the living crap out of him.
00:14:02.220 Won 24 out of 24, I think, free throws.
00:14:04.220 Scored 48 points and won the games.
00:14:06.280 Embarrass those guys.
00:14:07.400 Maybe the worst loss ever.
00:14:09.620 You want to sit here and say less than 1%?
00:14:11.940 If I'm a shot caller in the Republican Party behind the scenes and I no longer do the podcast,
00:14:19.660 every single day I'm sitting there telling them, you guys better get your asses together.
00:14:23.840 You guys better get your asses together.
00:14:26.000 You guys better get your asses together.
00:14:27.760 Stop being so freaking confident and arrogant.
00:14:30.560 Shit's about to get real, okay?
00:14:32.480 The victory of the Miami mayor and the victory of the New York City mayor is only validating AOC.
00:14:41.300 It is only validating AOC's policies.
00:14:44.360 These are baby AOCs winning.
00:14:45.940 If I'm AOC's campaign manager, guess what I'm saying?
00:14:50.360 Look what the hell is going on.
00:14:51.600 You know what America is telling you?
00:14:52.880 They want me.
00:14:55.420 They want AOC.
00:14:57.240 And you want to get cocky?
00:14:59.040 No.
00:14:59.300 Listen, as great of an election night 2024 was, while we were celebrating with 2,000 other people here going crazy,
00:15:07.140 if these guys are going to go like this, and this is what the Republican Party is going to be,
00:15:11.580 and all the stuff that they got going on, they better get together quickly.
00:15:16.600 Midterms are around the corner.
00:15:17.600 By the way, midterms gets done.
00:15:18.600 Guess what Trump's going to be doing the last two years?
00:15:20.340 Nothing.
00:15:21.120 Yep.
00:15:22.120 Nothing.
00:15:23.260 So, no, I don't know.
00:15:24.780 My biggest challenge right now is, yes, a lot of these policies are creating what?
00:15:29.640 They're making people making money.
00:15:32.260 Hey, we're making money with AI.
00:15:34.040 Hey, we're making money with crypto.
00:15:35.340 Hey, we're making money with this.
00:15:36.380 Hey, we're making money with all this stuff, all these deals that we're doing together.
00:15:39.340 I totally get it.
00:15:40.860 But 2020, it's going to come like this.
00:15:42.740 And then what?
00:15:44.680 And the next president, Fox has announced it.
00:15:48.940 Newsom is the next president of the United States.
00:15:50.580 Fox has announced it.
00:15:53.000 A shocking upset.
00:15:55.580 AOC defeats Vance.
00:15:59.200 To think and underestimate that is exactly why they'll lose.
00:16:04.000 And I hope they don't feel the way you just portrayed it right now.
00:16:07.240 You have the right to have your opinion right now.
00:16:08.900 I hope they don't feel that way.
00:16:10.740 I hope they're not sitting there, you know, because don't get me wrong.
00:16:16.320 You know, Trump to me is a once-in-a-lifetime type of guy that came in and won.
00:16:20.080 Take this once-in-a-lifetime type of guy with the thick skin that he has, that one-on-one.
00:16:23.840 Okay?
00:16:24.160 Take this guy out.
00:16:25.320 And so who's next?
00:16:26.840 You think it's going to be an automatic shoo-in?
00:16:28.580 I don't think so.
00:16:29.740 I think it's going to be a very different climate they're living in right now.
00:16:32.700 Very different climate they're living in right now.
00:16:34.600 And things can change like this.
00:16:36.820 Towards the bad or towards the good.
00:16:38.640 Like this.
00:16:39.200 So getting cocky going into midterms in 2028 is practically the dumbest idea conservatives could have going in.
00:16:50.160 It's the wrong move.
00:16:51.960 Never be this cocky.
00:16:53.560 And by the way, Adam, I actually think most of them feel like you right now.
00:16:59.560 I actually think most of them laugh at AOC saying I'll stomp on him.
00:17:05.260 Never underestimate your opponent.
00:17:07.600 Ever.
00:17:08.640 Never.
00:17:09.520 Ever.
00:17:10.380 I don't care how rich you are.
00:17:11.740 I don't care how powerful you are.
00:17:13.220 I don't care how talented you are.
00:17:14.820 Never, ever underestimate your opponent that's willing to go to all levels to get the job done.
00:17:19.700 And all levels, I mean as what?
00:17:21.300 Nasty.
00:17:21.720 Ugly, manipulative, dark.
00:17:25.560 God first.
00:17:26.900 Fear God first.
00:17:28.660 Protect the greatest country in the world.
00:17:30.700 Keep presenting the values and principles.
00:17:33.000 Unify.
00:17:35.620 Simplify.
00:17:36.660 Multiply.
00:17:37.460 We are not unified right now.
00:17:39.280 There is no unification at Turning Point USA.
00:17:41.400 Is that showing you unification?
00:17:42.880 It's not to me.
00:17:44.040 That's not showing me unification.
00:17:45.300 The two biggest names that were out there giving a message like that.
00:17:48.360 Now don't get me wrong.
00:17:49.360 You know, Junior's got to talk.
00:17:51.580 You know, some of the other guys got to talk.
00:17:53.620 You know, some of the other guys that have, you know, certain important roles.
00:17:57.000 They got to talk and we'll see what they're going to be saying.
00:17:59.680 The synergists haven't spoken yet.
00:18:01.060 The dividers have spoken.
00:18:02.720 I don't put Ben or Tucker as a synergist or a unifier.
00:18:06.260 So, yeah, I don't know.
00:18:07.840 I think I am only sometimes you sit there and you think everybody is overprepared.
00:18:16.880 And you would be amazed how many times people are not overprepared.
00:18:22.080 All of these guys, like, how many meetings you think has been had about unifying the entire party?
00:18:27.880 You think there was a meeting of bringing Ben and Tucker together behind closed doors?
00:18:32.720 I don't know if that happened.
00:18:35.280 You think there was a meeting of Ben and Tucker having a private dinner together with somebody that's a non-existent person, not a front-facing type of person saying,
00:18:44.700 Hey, guys, can we just hash this out?
00:18:48.100 Listen, Tucker, Ben, we're not leaving this room until we hash it out.
00:18:51.540 All the phones outside, each of you guys gets to bring one security guard in that you trust.
00:18:55.560 And if you want to bring your one person in, you can, but no phones, nothing.
00:18:59.820 Everyone's getting frisked.
00:19:00.720 I don't want anything to be in here.
00:19:02.200 Out.
00:19:02.760 Let's talk.
00:19:03.220 What's going on?
00:19:04.980 No.
00:19:06.380 This is a very, very weird season.
00:19:09.740 Trust me, I was on the other side while I was selling the hope four years ago where, hey, it's going to be Trump.
00:19:18.080 You guys are doing this, doing that.
00:19:20.280 Not right now.
00:19:21.120 Right now it's cockiness.
00:19:22.380 And it's extremely disturbing to me and annoying to me when I see this.
00:19:25.920 Can I respond real quick?
00:19:26.880 Yeah, of course.
00:19:27.660 Well, I agree with you on the cockiness thing.
00:19:32.140 Don't start dancing in the end zone when you're on the two-yard line.
00:19:36.180 However, I will say this, since you used an NBA reference, we all know who's more knowledgeable when it comes to NBA of the two of us, sir.
00:19:42.840 No question.
00:19:44.020 There's levels to this game.
00:19:45.980 So there's a difference between winning a representative seat, Congress seat, versus a Senate seat, versus becoming a governor of a state, versus becoming the president of the United States.
00:19:55.780 To me, if J.D. Vance ran against AOC in the Bronx, she'd clean his clock.
00:20:02.700 Okay?
00:20:03.380 Because she would win.
00:20:04.500 If they ran for maybe even governor of New York, she'd have a chance.
00:20:09.320 A general election, when the entire country is focused, hyper-focused on what you know, not just style, but substance, to me, she's an intellectual lightweight compared to J.D. Vance.
00:20:21.580 And she would be exposed.
00:20:23.420 This doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing her little thing in the Bronx.
00:20:27.840 Respect on that.
00:20:28.760 This also doesn't mean that we should dismiss the fact that 2028 is around the corner and that we do need to basically wake up or else we're going to get our clock cleaned, the Republican Party, so to speak.
00:20:38.660 But to me, the question was, do you believe this poll of a general election of the vice president of the United States versus AOC?
00:20:46.780 And my simple answer was, I don't believe it.
00:20:48.980 I don't see it.
00:20:49.760 I'm not being cocky.
00:20:51.100 She could win a representative seat in New York, not a general election against J.D. Vance.
00:20:55.340 That's my opinion.
00:20:56.340 Yeah.
00:20:56.660 And if the other side keeps believing that, that's how great empires fall, buddy.
00:21:02.620 There's a reason why one of the greatest CEOs in Silicon Valley wrote a book called Only the Paranoid Survive.
00:21:10.560 And I'm simply telling you, conservatives have zero paranoia right now.
00:21:15.160 They are overly confident, and that's not a good thing.
00:21:17.820 When you say that they're overconfident, do you think they're overconfident about what?
00:21:21.280 Everything.
00:21:21.540 Winning 2026?
00:21:22.640 Winning 2028?
00:21:23.680 Midterms, everything.
00:21:25.080 That's not the vibe I'm getting from these people.
00:21:26.820 They're overly confident.
00:21:27.140 They should be paranoid.
00:21:28.500 No, they're overly confident.
00:21:28.980 They just got their asses handed to them this November.
00:21:30.920 No, no, they're overly confident.
00:21:32.960 They're overly confident because they're saying comments like you.
00:21:35.160 There's a difference between mayor and New York.
00:21:36.560 Yeah, but that's my opinion.
00:21:38.520 I don't represent the RNC.
00:21:40.140 I don't represent anybody.
00:21:41.040 I represent myself.
00:21:42.300 Overly.
00:21:42.540 Who in the RNC is saying, we got this?
00:21:45.060 Overly confident.
00:21:45.560 I don't hear these people.
00:21:46.520 Yeah.
00:21:46.880 Overly confident.
00:21:47.560 Tom?
00:21:48.600 Let me tell you, these things can change.
00:21:50.700 And they are cocky, and they are confident.
00:21:54.700 Who's they, though?
00:21:56.280 The RNC strategists.
00:21:59.240 Look at what they say.
00:22:00.100 Look what people say.
00:22:01.280 They come out and do this.
00:22:01.960 So they say a lot of times exactly what you said.
00:22:05.900 Is it historically accurate to say a representative has never made it to the White House?
00:22:10.420 Yes.
00:22:10.960 But it's also historically accurate to say the economy has been, outside of intense wartime,
00:22:17.160 the economy is the single most deciding factor for U.S. elections.
00:22:20.920 You go take a look.
00:22:21.800 Bush Sr. beat nobody.
00:22:26.000 Meat beat nothing in a suit in 1988.
00:22:29.260 The economy shifted.
00:22:31.260 In 1992, they were cocky.
00:22:33.680 And by the time the summer got there and Ross Perot was getting traction and an unknown named Bill Clinton was up,
00:22:39.220 it was too late.
00:22:40.180 They lost in 1992 on strategy in the midst of the economy.
00:22:44.740 And right now, yesterday, University of Michigan has a highly credible consumer sentiment survey.
00:22:51.720 You know where that is right now?
00:22:54.060 All-time low.
00:22:56.120 So we have an economy issue that's in front of us.
00:22:58.680 The University of Michigan Consumer Sentiment Survey just hit an all-time low.
00:23:03.360 Forget polling.
00:23:04.540 Forget strategists.
00:23:05.800 Let's go look at things that have credibility and say,
00:23:08.840 do you think that says that maybe you should be thinking about it?
00:23:12.100 Do you think that says you maybe shouldn't be cocky?
00:23:14.540 Do you think that says that all the things that you would never think would happen might happen?
00:23:20.120 Yes.
00:23:20.500 I think they're staring 1992 right in the face.
00:23:23.580 Well, you know, you know, Reagan, the Bush senior, Bush senior beat Dukakis, beat nobody.
00:23:29.380 And then 92 comes along, the economy burps, and they're cocky about it.
00:23:33.840 And they got outstrategized.
00:23:36.460 Clinton come out of nowhere.
00:23:38.940 Perot fouled the stream with the third candidate numbers, but they weren't ready for it.
00:23:44.660 They weren't ready for it.
00:23:46.000 And they got beat.
00:23:47.240 And I see history getting ready to repeat, and it worries me because I think there's a country that's here
00:23:53.060 that also is hanging in the balance, not just left-right.
00:23:57.080 Well, Tom, respect to you.
00:23:58.540 Why do you think they think that the economy is at an all-time low?
00:24:01.820 Are you blaming Trump for that?
00:24:03.720 No, I'm not.
00:24:04.760 But listen, when people go to the ballot box, it's not who they blame.
00:24:07.780 It's how they feel.
00:24:08.640 Sure.
00:24:08.920 And it's the independence in the middle.
00:24:11.160 I don't worry about the hard Trump, you know, foundation.
00:24:15.980 I don't worry about that.
00:24:17.480 I do worry about the independence in the middle.
00:24:20.000 And guess what?
00:24:20.660 Even the charts that Trump showed, you saw how big those blue bars were, and you saw the red bars were changing.
00:24:29.080 The red bars have to get past the blue bar to get things back to what you were able to afford and buy previously.
00:24:36.860 You have to overcome the inflation effect.
00:24:39.580 But 31%, remember that number, since Biden came into office, the U.S. dollar in spending power for the U.S. citizen has gone down 31%.
00:24:50.580 Well, thank you.
00:24:51.140 Now it's coming up.
00:24:52.640 It's coming up.
00:24:53.740 And all the things that Trump said are true.
00:24:56.520 But that traction's got to come true.
00:24:58.280 And then it'll show up in consumer sentiment.
00:25:00.420 And then they got a shot.
00:25:01.680 You can't be cocky in the face of that.
00:25:03.700 Let me just stay on this affordability economy issue for one second.
00:25:08.200 Trump's been president for not even a year yet, okay?
00:25:10.560 It's been 11 months.
00:25:11.880 I believe that he's on the right track to turn the economy around to where we want to be.
00:25:16.280 But let's not dismiss the fact that under Joe Biden, they printed how much money?
00:25:22.040 They let how many illegals into the country?
00:25:24.180 The border thing, that lost my vote completely.
00:25:27.260 Supply and demand.
00:25:28.000 There's 10 million plus illegals in the country.
00:25:30.000 Our dollar is being devalued.
00:25:32.720 Which audience do you think you're speaking to?
00:25:34.180 But the point is this.
00:25:35.360 You're talking about consumer sentiment as an all-time low because it's the reverberations of what happened the last four years.
00:25:41.640 That's not how this works, though.
00:25:42.860 Tell me how it works.
00:25:43.640 That's not how this works.
00:25:45.100 What percentage of people do you think are watching and know what you just said right now?
00:25:51.140 Most people are not smart.
00:25:52.740 No, not most people are not smart.
00:25:54.400 Most people are not following it.
00:25:55.980 Most people are following it.
00:25:56.740 You mean our audience or people in general?
00:25:58.160 No, not our audience.
00:25:58.940 Our audience is smarter than most.
00:26:00.020 Our audience follows is smarter than most.
00:26:01.920 Yes.
00:26:02.300 But what I'm saying is the average audience is sitting there.
00:26:04.560 The average voter is like, explain to them what consumer sentiment is.
00:26:09.660 Yeah.
00:26:10.180 Can you tell me the definition of consumer sentiment?
00:26:12.500 I just checked.
00:26:13.520 Yeah.
00:26:14.040 No, no.
00:26:14.280 Vinny don't even know.
00:26:15.240 How you feel.
00:26:16.080 I'm joking.
00:26:17.620 Where I'm going with this for you is, this has got nothing to do with Trump.
00:26:25.020 Trump's won.
00:26:26.300 Trump did his part.
00:26:27.080 Moving forward, it's not on Trump.
00:26:29.900 This is no longer a Trump thing.
00:26:32.200 Yeah, Trump can play a role on who he picks as the endorsement and stuff like that.
00:26:38.360 Yes.
00:26:39.300 Trump has done more for conservatives and Republicans than any other candidate has done the last 20 years.
00:26:45.620 This is not that conversation.
00:26:47.580 Okay?
00:26:47.860 We're not having that conversation.
00:26:49.880 It's the next ones.
00:26:51.720 Now what?
00:26:52.340 What are you going to do?
00:26:53.680 Who's the next ones?
00:26:55.800 Who's rising up to take this, carry the flag to the next phase?
00:26:59.140 That's a concern.
00:27:00.320 They best not get cocky.
00:27:01.580 That's all I'm saying.
00:27:02.580 If you get cocky, you're going to get caught.
00:27:05.140 And do you ever like...
00:27:07.000 I had Buster Douglas on my podcast one time.
00:27:11.140 The boxer?
00:27:11.920 Yeah.
00:27:12.780 Do you know who he beat?
00:27:13.480 Who beat Mike Tyson?
00:27:13.840 Mike Tyson.
00:27:14.400 He beat Mike Tyson.
00:27:14.900 Yeah.
00:27:15.260 Knocked him out.
00:27:15.700 Do you know nobody in a million years would have thought Buster Douglas was going to beat Mike Tyson?
00:27:19.720 I remember that.
00:27:20.080 I cried.
00:27:20.360 Nobody would have ever thought when that happened.
00:27:21.920 Everybody was shocked right when it took place.
00:27:24.300 His mother had passed away recently right before the fight.
00:27:26.900 When he won the fight.
00:27:27.820 This is a wrong time to be cocky.
00:27:32.180 This is a wrong time to be cocky.
00:27:33.440 That's all I'm saying.
00:27:34.580 And we'll see.
00:27:35.520 I think Turning Point US is going to play a very important role.
00:27:38.400 You know, she's...
00:27:40.220 Erica's barely getting off what happened to her husband, losing it.
00:27:44.440 And she's still...
00:27:45.120 You know, it's only been 90 days.
00:27:46.780 So is she going to drive and do all that stuff?
00:27:49.860 We'll see.
00:27:50.240 We'll see what's going to happen.
00:27:51.440 It's going to be a lot.
00:27:52.180 Remember, here's who you don't have.
00:27:54.760 You don't have Elon right now.
00:27:57.740 So you don't know what Elon's going to be doing.
00:27:59.560 Elon's still a wild card.
00:28:01.020 And you forget how big of a role he played.
00:28:02.440 We don't know who the independent runner's going to be in 2028.
00:28:06.220 That's going to be the RFK of 2020.
00:28:08.200 Vinny's got a special announcement that I want Vinny to share with you guys.
00:28:11.760 Go ahead, Vinny.
00:28:12.640 So guys, as you guys know, the Faith Over Fear line.
00:28:15.360 We had the Faith Over Fear shirt.
00:28:17.140 We just came out.
00:28:17.960 This just came out.
00:28:18.780 It's live right now.
00:28:19.880 Pat Ward is just sick.
00:28:20.780 The Faith Over Fear hat.
00:28:21.960 I'm trying to figure out.
00:28:22.880 Do we have the symbol here?
00:28:24.000 We have the cross here.
00:28:24.920 Hebrews 11, one on the back.
00:28:27.520 Rob, can you click on the hat and show the pictures?
00:28:29.300 Yeah, let everybody see this.
00:28:30.400 Guys, it's embroidered.
00:28:31.280 By the way, I only wear Yankee hats.
00:28:34.000 Oh, yeah.
00:28:34.260 So I only wear Yankee hats.
00:28:35.640 But guys, you can see the future looks bright on the bottom.
00:28:38.040 This is stitched.
00:28:39.140 Hebrews 11, 11, 11, one, that, and then the cross on the side.
00:28:42.960 Like I said, I only wear Yankee hats.
00:28:44.360 It's 3D embroidery.
00:28:45.520 No, no, it's ridiculous.
00:28:46.440 And I just want, like, this is, like, every time something like this happens, like, the hats finally come in.
00:28:51.480 We're at a pivotal place where, right now, with everything that's happening with Christians in Nigeria, as you're seeing what's happening in Europe, you're seeing what's happening in Australia, the enemy wants us to be afraid.
00:29:01.800 I don't know if you guys saw this.
00:29:02.880 Australia, France, Germany, they just canceled all their Christmas celebrations, all their freaking New Year stuff, because they're afraid.
00:29:10.100 I'm telling you guys right now, I've said this before.
00:29:11.980 In the Bible, 365 times it says, do not fear.
00:29:17.380 Okay?
00:29:17.640 Just have faith, and when it comes to having faith in Christ, there's one story that I want to say, and you know this.
00:29:23.580 In Matthew 20, I think, verse 9, or 9, verse 20 to 22, Jesus is walking through Galilee, and everybody, he's healing people.
00:29:33.100 People are touching him and grabbing him, and he's just trying to get through the crowd, and there was a woman that had an issue of bleeding for 12 years.
00:29:39.140 They believe it was, like, a menstrual situation.
00:29:41.300 And she says to herself, and this is in Scripture, all I have to do is touch the hem of his robe, and I'll be healed.
00:29:49.020 Okay?
00:29:49.440 So she crawls through this crowd, and she just reaches and touches a string that's hanging off Jesus' robe, and he stops in the crowd, and he goes, who touched me?
00:29:58.980 All right?
00:29:59.300 And Peter and everybody's like, Jesus, everybody's touching.
00:30:02.440 He goes, no, no, no, who touched me?
00:30:05.220 He said he felt the power leave his body, and he looks, and the woman is on the floor, instantly healed, and she's crying, Pat.
00:30:12.520 And she stands up, and she goes, Jesus, you healed me.
00:30:15.280 And he looks at her, and he goes, I didn't heal you.
00:30:17.080 It was your faith that healed you.
00:30:19.160 Think about that.
00:30:20.380 Think about that.
00:30:20.860 It's powerful.
00:30:21.320 Just touching his clothes, and she was healed, and that's belief.
00:30:25.100 And I want to say one last thing.
00:30:26.620 When Jesus was in Nazareth, he was powerless.
00:30:29.560 He couldn't do any miracles.
00:30:30.980 And you know why?
00:30:32.000 He said because it was their disbelief, because they didn't believe.
00:30:35.840 So your faith is what creates the miracles in your life, and I think this hat is that message, and this is letting everybody know.
00:30:42.140 I'm not afraid.
00:30:43.580 We're not afraid.
00:30:44.420 I'm a Christian.
00:30:45.120 I wear it proud, and I want people to know that.
00:30:47.120 And, yeah, that's it, and it's live right now.
00:30:49.380 I love it.
00:30:49.920 And, you know, you can go to vtmerge.com, place the order, get the hat, get the shirt, get the shoe.
00:30:54.460 All of those we'll put over there for you.
00:30:56.080 Yesterday, I had these pastors that flew in from Australia, and he said the most powerful line.
00:30:59.220 Two pastors, the guy's from Egypt.
00:31:01.920 His name is Martin Sidro, and his wife, Millicent.
00:31:05.620 And he says, when I was a kid, and my dad and I were talking about becoming a pastor one day, he says, my father told us one thing.
00:31:12.180 If you want to be a pastor, you can't fear.
00:31:15.140 If you fear, don't be a pastor.
00:31:17.800 One doesn't go without the other.
00:31:18.940 You have to be very strong about your faith that you have.
00:31:21.540 So for those of you that are comfortable this Christmas season, New Year's season, going into 2026 with faith, put that on.
00:31:28.840 Walk around.
00:31:29.320 You'd be amazed how many people stop by and say, hey, man, I'm with you.
00:31:32.300 Hey, man, I'm with you.
00:31:33.180 I love the stories of just winks with people that are, you know, fans of the show or, you know, they're looking at each other like, man, you're also a future looks bright.
00:31:42.400 You're also faith over fear.
00:31:43.340 You're also value attainment.
00:31:44.120 But me too, I'm one as well.
00:31:46.360 So go place the order or two or three and gift it to some of the people in your community.
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