Valuetainment - Episode 392： 2019 Mr Olympia Brandon Curry Opens Up

00:00:00.000 30 seconds one time for the underdog ignition sequence start let me see you put them up

00:00:08.440 reach the sky touch the stars up above because it's one time for the underdog one time for the

00:00:16.240 underdog i'm patrick baby host of item and today i'm sitting down with brandon curry the 2019 mr

00:00:21.760 olympia winner in bodybuilding we had a lot of things to talk about obviously he responded to

00:00:26.400 what dorian yates had to say in an interview with me and on top of that we talked about his

00:00:30.900 relationship with phil heath he talked about steroids ped and a lot of other things zero

00:00:35.380 filters he was willing to talk about anything so if you're in the fitness and the bodybuilding world

00:00:40.060 you're gonna love today's interview it's my distinct pleasure to introduce to you the 2019

00:00:45.300 mr olympia brandon curry brandon thanks for coming out hey it's a pleasure man a pleasure to be here

00:00:49.880 definitely it's good to have you here and one of the things i gotta tell you you just had a birthday

00:00:53.380 you're october 19th yes yes so you're you're 30 37 now yes sir and i'm october 18th so we're a day

00:01:00.140 apart wow so i turned 41 you turned 37 what happened related to you yeah we're we're somehow someway

00:01:05.940 connected but based on our uh month we're born yeah they were born exactly and you know extreme studies

00:01:11.120 have been done to prove that october babies are the best human beings in the world i don't know if

00:01:15.980 you would agree with that or not i will i i never read those studies but i i can agree with you it's

00:01:19.880 it's i've never read them as well but i i would like to believe they exist okay so so let's get

00:01:24.820 right into it you know a couple things when i look at um your uh personality and i see how you are

00:01:33.240 and you know you go a little bit into your story and you're watching yourself and some of the

00:01:38.120 transitions you've made from who you were to where you are today you you you seem more reserved than a

00:01:44.900 lot of the competitors out there you kind of seem to yourself you kind of seem quiet you kind of seem the

00:01:48.480 guy that's uh uh even a possible introvert would you categorize yourself as somebody that is an

00:01:54.520 introvert or no i'm not a complete introvert but i can play one very well which one are you more than

00:02:00.560 oh let's see we'll kind of be like like if i were i weigh i typically weigh my scene weigh the scene out

00:02:07.020 and uh that kind of dictates what i where i go as far as being introverted or extroverted the more

00:02:13.100 comfortable i am with people the more extroverted of course i'll become uh but the situation is

00:02:19.700 is pretty much dictates but i like to observe and watch uh like the people watch a lot so that's

00:02:24.920 probably what keeps me you know quiet because i'm thinking to myself i'm analyzing things so you're

00:02:29.800 observant is what you're exactly got it okay so if we were in high school together who was brandon curry

00:02:34.940 we were in high school together high school brandon curry was the probably let's see the cool guy

00:02:40.960 uh that you know was pretty much friends with everybody no matter what uh side of the tracks

00:02:48.380 they may have been from all groups of people uh i was a pretty good athlete i really uh wanted to

00:02:54.940 wanted to ascribe to be a great athlete and uh i like to be a leader in that in that sense as well

00:03:00.320 uh so on the field uh i was you know i was very very uh vocal aggressive uh oh you were and i and

00:03:08.880 i like to set the stage you know uh as far as with the example more than anything uh because i believe

00:03:15.660 that you know you know people feed off your energy and that's one of the things i loved about the

00:03:21.080 weight room as well uh in high school back in the weight room it's another the guys wasn't serious

00:03:25.880 about training but i was serious about training and that seriousness made other other guys in the

00:03:31.180 gym serious about training and that kind of changed that dynamic of the weight room as well as the team

00:03:34.980 dynamic as well so uh you know it's it's for me in high school i was a good student as well because

00:03:42.900 my parents required it that of me but school was easy for me as well so it wasn't school was easy

00:03:47.600 yeah it was easy it was easy for me uh my dad told me the other day he said uh i never see

00:03:53.380 brandon study for anything and um he was talking to someone else and i'm thinking to myself yeah i

00:03:59.220 didn't i didn't know i didn't study a lot my mom was always on me about applying myself because she

00:04:04.440 she said i didn't you know i didn't do over the over the expected you know i just did enough

00:04:12.380 to be got it to be you know cool with it and not stress over it so and uh i always worked good

00:04:19.400 under pressure as well a lot of my best projects a lot of my best work was you know kind of that

00:04:24.880 last minute you know putting it all together grinding so were you were you the athlete was

00:04:31.080 there uh uh an element of you where you were hung out with the tough guys the bad guys the athletes

00:04:37.340 the 4.0 gpas or were you the one that pretty much got along with everybody i got i said i got

00:04:42.040 along with everybody yeah i can see that i can see that and and what was your favorite subject in high

00:04:46.960 school you know one of the favorite subjects i think was geometry geometry yeah it was geometry

00:04:54.020 everybody hated my geometry teacher she was an older italian lady i mean everybody hated her 1.00

00:04:59.880 uh except me and uh i actually i don't know why i liked her but i liked their class and geometry was

00:05:05.980 something um i was i just kind of picked up naturally you know i was kind of good at she liked

00:05:11.800 me for it and my wife was also in her class was also a class favorite of hers back in the in the

00:05:16.760 day as well so well so your wife was also in the class with her well yeah in a different class than

00:05:21.320 i was but in the same class as the same teacher and why geometry though i mean did you like the theorems

00:05:26.520 the cp ctc what what's that i just maybe maybe i'm just more visual i guess that was one of my

00:05:31.880 favorite like proven like theorems and going through them and what's given and what's not

00:05:35.900 i don't know i don't know why i connected to me that that much but i just remember that being a

00:05:41.260 standout subject uh i was i was in a business uh program at the school i think it was called uh

00:05:47.020 mba or whatever it was called and i was also pretty good at accounting but i had no interest in it

00:05:53.020 the accounting classes as well so my teacher was always encouraging me you should do this you should

00:05:57.700 do that you should do that but i just i couldn't i didn't have an interest in seeing myself in that

00:06:03.180 environment as an accountant would be in a day-to-day so even though i picked up on it really

00:06:07.740 well it just wasn't something i was i was interested interested if i was your best friend

00:06:13.340 who did i say brandon's going to grow up to be xyz was there something that people said brandon's

00:06:18.460 going to grow up to be this or was it unknown well in high school my wife told me i should grow up to

00:06:24.300 be a bodybuilder uh she said that in high school in high school yeah so after she saw she saw me i

00:06:30.460 turned a backflip i think we're at rp land hotel uh doing the christmas lights lighting and i turned

00:06:35.660 a backflip somewhere and she saw my shirt go over my head and lift up and she looked at me she said

00:06:39.900 you should be a bodybuilder when you grow up of course at the time i looked at her and i said

00:06:44.140 i don't want to be on stage in a speedo and have oil all over me you know i had no interest but uh i

00:06:49.100 think it was a year later that i'd actually competed my first bodybuilding contest and i won

00:06:53.900 the overall when middleweight with no plans uh well yeah with no real plans i mean i prepared

00:07:01.340 for that show generally four weeks out i only did it because uh a personal trainer was he kept bugging

00:07:06.940 me about it he kept asking me do i want to compete you know you should compete you compete and um and

00:07:12.380 i was just like no no i didn't want to but i got to thinking about it i guess one night after he asked

00:07:16.780 me i said i'm in the gym i'm not playing college football anymore i might as well do some of my time

00:07:21.340 you know it's maybe this is something i can you know i could have some motivation to come in here

00:07:24.700 and push harder so he gave me my diet showed me how to pose and um before you know what i was on

00:07:31.660 stage not worried about my posing trunks but just trying to figure out how to present myself the best

00:07:35.740 i could on stage and i was like i said i won the novice the middleweight and overall class and

00:07:40.540 that just hooked me is that this one or this is a different one this is that was that one that

00:07:47.020 was the one this was the first one yeah that was that one yeah i think it was like 19. 19 years old

00:07:54.220 when you won it yeah now what do you what do you think about when you see this yourself now you know

00:07:58.300 i say man i i uh my perception of myself was was uh much greater than it would be today like i had

00:08:09.340 superior uh confidence in myself like i was i thought it was way more than i was i even had forums back in

00:08:16.700 the day that uh would attest to that on this place you were very confident here yeah i was very

00:08:21.900 confident really yeah very well were you generally a pretty confident guy uh i think i think i i was

00:08:27.740 generally confident in most in most areas like but i was also you know dealing high school you also

00:08:36.220 worry about how people would look at you and analyze you of course being growing up but i think generally

00:08:42.380 in most most of my cases i was very very confident especially if if it was something that i knew i

00:08:46.940 could uh grasp or excel at was mom and dad very much about affirmations to you brandon you can do

00:08:53.260 anything you want to do when you grow up were they tough was it constantly feeding positivity into you

00:08:58.380 i think my dad was more of a perfectionist and uh he didn't encourage me to uh be my best and pursue

00:09:06.300 but he never directed me in any way fashion he just kind of let me do as i as i chose and um he worked

00:09:13.260 all the time so he worked very very hard and um and i saw my dad as a very very talented uh person

00:09:19.500 with a lot of abilities very good people person people skills uh good good leader good at management

00:09:25.340 but i think he kind of sold himself short with what he pursued i was working for somebody and i felt

00:09:31.420 like he was the type of person that could really really excel and you know a lot of people like

00:09:36.860 my dad would follow my dad anywhere he could excel on his own he didn't need to be some some company

00:09:41.580 man and my mom she was a stay-at-home mom most of my life and i say she was hard on me uh but she 1.00

00:09:48.540 probably needed to be because i was a very very uh hyperactive uh child yeah you were a hyperactive

00:09:55.420 yeah very hyperactive were you shy were you ever shy were you ever uh perceived as being shy or no

00:10:00.220 i don't think i was ever perceived as as being shy from the stories i hear i don't think i was

00:10:06.060 ever like like uh i i read it to at my party at a birthday party recently and one of the guys i

00:10:12.860 remember back as a childhood is his name is ken ken white he worked with my dad first big guy i ever

00:10:18.460 really seen in public and these stories i remember because my dad tells me all the time but he's like

00:10:23.580 he comes up to the to me and i see him i go hey willie you know i called him willie for whatever

00:10:29.180 reason he called you willy i called him willy i called him willy got it and this is like you know

00:10:33.180 one of the most muscular guys i've ever seen he showed me some pictures of him he's still powerless

00:10:37.020 to this day and uh he's you know in the master's and he's incredible but it's first big guy i've seen

00:10:43.260 and i'm just thinking i see this big guy and personally i call him out of his name i don't know him

00:10:49.100 and i must have been uh an interesting child they uh diagnosed me with they didn't have add but hyperactivity

00:10:55.580 uh they wanted to medicate me as a kid my parents didn't agree with that they just felt i should be

00:11:02.140 more active so they got me into gymnastics as a kid so to kind of help with my energy levels because

00:11:07.420 apparently my mom tells me i have three sons she said i was all three of them so she said it's payback

00:11:16.380 you know i was all three of them and you know i was just i don't know i was like that i was i was high

00:11:21.420 energy always having to do something outside all the time um yeah i was i was a very very active

00:11:27.420 kid i had two sisters younger sisters and i could only play with them so much before i was in trouble

00:11:32.460 so i learned to separate myself because my games that we played and i organized would always end up

00:11:38.140 being some kind of traumatic crying um emotional are you very creative is your brain a very like do you

00:11:44.620 go creative imagination like do you like marvel do you like you know certain movies that it's all about

00:11:50.780 creativity um i think i'm more create i'm more probably more creative uh internally than actually

00:11:58.540 i don't i don't necessarily embrace marvel i'm not a comic book guy uh i admire those things but i don't

00:12:03.820 really embrace those things but when it came to like creating activities during dead times or games

00:12:09.580 you know i would always be able to uh be able to entertain myself and and and entertain others

00:12:15.340 entertain themselves they would say i cheat a lot they said i would always change the rules

00:12:19.020 and uh i see my sons now when my son is marvelous and he playing with his little brother he does

00:12:24.300 that too and i think my oldest son maximus i can catch him doing it too so i can i can see where

00:12:28.780 that you know during these games you kind of play the rule to get the advantage the advantage that uh

00:12:33.820 you can over whoever you're playing with which one's the one that's got the physique that took the 0.99

00:12:37.740 phone away and made that video because he's his back is a legit marvelous is uh the middle my middle

00:12:43.180 son and uh and he's the most into the the bodybuilding um well i say he's the one that started to be the

00:12:50.620 most into the body now my oldest son and my youngest son are kind of they kind of zoned into it a little

00:12:55.580 bit more than they were but he was the one we could find polaroids his sister got a camera for one of her

00:13:02.220 birthdays and we got polaroids we found in the house this guy he may have been three years old maybe

00:13:08.940 him and his brother and he's getting his brother his two-year-old brother or whatever they take

00:13:13.100 pictures of him and they're posing and he got these little polaroids wow that and i still got

00:13:19.020 them to this day because they're so cute crazy yeah so he's always been like that uh you know he's

00:13:24.300 always been the one to pose of course his little brother is following him and posing with him but

00:13:27.900 he's the one and he's the one that he wanted to i went to dexter jackson show he wanted to pose

00:13:33.340 on stage you know i wasn't there to guest pose i was just there to make an appearance say hi

00:13:37.980 he's like he wanted to be on stage and he's so serious about it after we got off he looked at

00:13:42.380 me he said dad you think i won and i said son that wasn't a competition exhibition nobody won

00:13:49.820 so you thought it's a competition yes so that's a sign of admiration towards their father by the

00:13:53.740 way i mean they're looking at you saying you know i want to be like daddy when i grow up you know it's

00:13:57.900 it's not uh when when you see that the kid has really uh got a lot of respect respect for their pops

00:14:04.380 now in high school just out of curiosity what was your gpa in high school i was pretty close to uh

00:14:10.060 probably 3.7 3.8 or pretty close to 4.0 3.7 3.8 pretty close pretty close i i'm pretty close to that

00:14:17.180 i made very good grades rarely did i make a c or anything like that so if you didn't go to body

00:14:21.900 building rod and there was no interest there who would uh who would have uh brandon curry be today at 37

00:14:27.020 um it'd be interesting it had to be something i was i'd be very interested and passionate about

00:14:33.100 uh my my mom is of the day she said i could have been an engineer uh you know she said you know i

00:14:39.740 could have been an architect you know she says all these things but you know i'm one of those persons

00:14:45.180 people that if i don't have purpose in something it's not gonna it's not gonna drive me you know i like

00:14:50.620 to be uh i like to pursue something that i know or i feel that you know is my niche to pursue

00:14:57.340 and then i go after it but if it's if it's not the case then i'm i'm i'm not that i may not be that

00:15:03.100 interested makes sense in in the personality uh uh category if you look at there's the extremely

00:15:10.380 organized folks who you go into the closet black black black gray gray gray white white blue blue

00:15:16.140 purple purple everything's organized socks shoes that's the organized folks obsessive everything's

00:15:21.740 very like they know everything's at clean crystal clean the t is is very technical analytical numbers

00:15:29.820 detailed data i'm missing this part in the triceps this is not strong i gotta i won't see it with my

00:15:35.500 eyeball you'll notice and yeah we're off over here we got to cut this part up we got to get the days out

00:15:40.220 the diet proper everything's detailed the action is the super competitive comes into a room steals the

00:15:47.340 show everybody knows he entered the room she entered the room is the a and then you have the relationship

00:15:52.140 which is all about hey man i love you uh friendship bonding harmony all of that stuff where would you put

00:15:58.780 your lead i was trying to relate to one of those but i don't know if i can um i'm i'm not very obsessive

00:16:07.660 compulsive but when i do organize even though it's a mess i know where everything is um it's like me

00:16:14.780 being gone a long time and training and come back home i put everything where i know it so i come home

00:16:20.620 and i come home and i'm i'm not home in my own home because my wife and my kids have moved everything

00:16:24.860 around and i haven't been there in habit to put it where i normally would but it's not necessarily

00:16:30.620 like this conscious organizational thing for me it's just i have placements i i plan maybe plan something

00:16:38.460 to be something worth somewhere convenient when i needed it at all times so maybe that's i don't

00:16:43.340 know if that's a successful compulsive but that's how i organize uh i don't have to be

00:16:49.180 the guy when i walk into a room that you know everybody has to know i'm in there

00:16:54.380 i kind of i kind of like to not be seen um uh more more or less a lot of people like i can see

00:17:02.380 my wife walks with me and she's like you know look at this person looking at you look at this person

00:17:06.700 looking at you and i'm like man i must be like a horse with blinders on because i don't i don't really

00:17:11.260 notice people analyzing me now i may analyze people but i don't notice always people analyzing me in

00:17:17.580 the room and i'm not really on the number type person either you know exacts and i'm not i don't

00:17:24.620 analyze my my physique with uh with uh like the ocd scrutiny as well i know where i'm where i'm lacking

00:17:31.180 i know where i can prove but i'm not the person that's looking in the mirror every day like i have

00:17:36.940 people that that that message me and ask for advice and i'm like these guys drive themselves crazy because

00:17:41.900 they'll send me pictures and and and they're always obsessing over this and this little thing

00:17:46.460 and how's this how's this i'm like oh my goodness you know i mean you take this stuff way more seriously

00:17:51.580 than you should it's like you wasting time uh with stressing over everything when you could be you

00:17:56.700 don't need to i mean it's not your job it's just your hobby you know so i look at those guys and those

00:18:02.460 guys interest me too so i don't know where i fit to be honest i don't know where i fit you could tell me

00:18:07.340 maybe yeah no i mean uh just from reading the the interviews and reading a lot about you and seeing

00:18:14.780 what uh your wife says about you and where you're at uh you know i think your wife said something

00:18:20.620 about the fact that i know my husband i know what his strengths and i know where his areas of

00:18:25.100 improvements are if he's home he has to drop off the kids in the morning he has to be at the practices

00:18:31.260 he has to be around the family seems like family is very important to you and your relationship guys so

00:18:36.300 you know maybe you're on the relationship side where somebody who takes a liking into you even

00:18:41.660 a guy that recruited to go to kuwait if if if you know the person is has a good intentions for you

00:18:47.180 and you trust them then you're willing to go out there and be loyal to them so maybe your first is

00:18:52.060 are i don't know but i think there's an analytical side as well uh you know you and phil do you do you

00:18:58.300 see a lot of commonality with him as well personnel because he's also the 3.7 gpa but he went to colorado

00:19:04.380 state he was going to be an accountant that's the direction he was going and seems like both you

00:19:09.260 guys are you know he was an athlete he went basketball i think you went football there's

00:19:13.500 some similarities as well in your personalities there there's some similarities but i only notice

00:19:18.300 the differences um i've met phil uh before phil was the big phil heath i remember uh flipping through

00:19:26.300 the magazines in uh 2006 uh mpc magazine of course and just now getting in the bodybuilding i'm seeing

00:19:33.260 this phil heath guy and um he's got this great physique and of course he's young and everybody's

00:19:39.260 talking about him i'm looking at him i'm thinking wow timing this guy is coming out right before me

00:19:48.860 goodness gracious and not only that but i had a form name or an email name that i made probably maybe the

00:19:56.220 year before it's called brandon's gifted and they start calling him the gift and it was like goodness

00:20:01.180 gracious and he took something that i nicknamed you know you know i was like man he took that too

00:20:07.980 so you know had a spotlight on so i'm thinking man i'm making the whole time i'm thinking

00:20:14.380 i just got to catch up to this guy right so i get on the national level finally and

00:20:22.060 and i'm seen and everybody takes notice uh one of the people to take notice was his coach uh honey

00:20:29.260 rambaud so i work with honey and of course i guess he saw the talent so i'm thinking now i'm working

00:20:34.220 with phil he's coach this is i was like man this is like not even a a a year ago i'm looking at him

00:20:41.580 in the magazines admiring his physique and his success so then i get to meet him and um phil has a persona

00:20:49.500 of course to the public a lot of people have opinions but i meet a shy guy you know you're a shy guy

00:20:58.060 compared to him i met i met a shy guy you met a shy guy yeah you thought phil was a shy guy yes

00:21:02.940 when i when i met him i met a shy guy i met a kind of like a a shy shy guy i mean i understand

00:21:08.860 the dynamic a lot of people see him today but when i met phil i met i think i met phil first in hawaii

00:21:15.260 and uh i was uh my my wife now i was out there to help her for a contest he was guest posing at

00:21:21.100 the event it was me bob chicarello sean ray there they introduced me to phil heath and we're standing

00:21:26.140 there and i'm like hey it's phil heath i'm in schools you know but in the middle of conversation

00:21:30.620 he disappears and i'm thinking where did he go like where did he go and everybody's like where did

00:21:35.100 he go it's like he was kind of kind of shy and then uh of course when he performed he was guest

00:21:41.020 posing everything he came posed by me and you know did his thing he's performing but then i i got

00:21:46.220 opportunity to uh you know see him on several occasions he's always seemed like he was a little

00:21:51.260 bit shy to me i don't know why and then um in my room at the nationals when i worked with honey he

00:21:57.260 came in my room his he's preparing for his pro debut the biggest he'd ever been like the biggest he'd

00:22:02.700 ever been he was like stepped on my scale in the room was 270 and uh and he's like take your shirt off

00:22:08.220 take your shirt off show what you got and he's like no no i can't take my shirt off in front of this

00:22:11.740 guy i'm thinking man you freaking feel even 270 pounds i'm like i know i'm getting ready for contests but

00:22:17.980 i'm not nothing nothing like that so i always perceived him as this is this shy guy um you

00:22:23.900 know and that i was kind of kind of you know we always had camaraderie and friendly and i respect

00:22:28.860 him you know a lot i mean he i respect him a lot i understand the struggle what it must be like to

00:22:34.940 be the first uh social media olympia champion i mean that's a lot of learning uh that you have to do

00:22:40.860 trial and error because nobody had ever done it and of course he made some mistakes and you know people

00:22:45.660 criticize him for it but i can't say that i would have handled it any better i've learned i've learned

00:22:51.180 from him what not to do you know in a sense but uh so you know i respect the guy a lot but i've always

00:22:57.980 felt like i've been chasing him and even to this day you know i'm the champ but i go on record i still

00:23:06.300 want to compete head to head against him um or you do want to compete head against i do like you know i do

00:23:11.900 so i mean i've always wanted to but i wanted to be ready and uh thinking about it last year

00:23:19.900 thinking he was going to be in olympia this year i was trying to get him to just just tell me he was

00:23:25.420 going to be in olympia at the orno because that would have just put me on fire for the olympia but

00:23:29.820 it didn't really happen so uh he recently showed his uh abdominals and i went on record and said if

00:23:36.220 phil shows his abdominals and he's then i'll take him seriously about potentially competing so now

00:23:42.220 i'm processing this and i see him showing his abdominals thinking maybe he heard me and i'm like

00:23:47.180 okay so now i'm preparing myself to compete against phil regardless if he comes to the stage or not

00:23:52.380 but for me it's a good thing it's a good thing he did show up or didn't show up no it's a good thing

00:23:57.500 that he showed us his midsection because now i'm in the mindset that he's competing uh he's planning to

00:24:03.500 compete um and uh preferably against me so you mean 2020 yeah exactly so that's a that's a good

00:24:10.860 thing for me so who else would you like to see being because you know and i like the approach

00:24:15.100 you took and what you said because you know how sometimes uh are you a basketball guy you're a

00:24:19.100 sports guy uh well you know what uh since i stopped playing college football i'm not really

00:24:24.540 a sports guy oh really yeah zero so just your game yes well i don't know if you remember when

00:24:28.700 the rockets won the two championships do you remember when the rockets won the two championships

00:24:32.780 yeah the right it was two years when when jordan was gone he was retired he stepped away from the

00:24:37.580 game and barkley ewing you know malone stockton allows you on all these guys are like well let's

00:24:46.460 go get a couple right now and it was a dog fight reggie miller everybody wanted to get the ring because

00:24:53.820 mike is out right right so those two years olajone picks up two of them houston rockets right and then

00:25:02.940 jordan comes back the next year and then it's he wins three more in a row what you just said if

00:25:08.460 i'm reading into it because you know what you know in in the in the in the boxing world sometimes you

00:25:13.980 got mayweather would get heat because he never faced off against pacchi at his prime and he would you

00:25:17.420 know you're saying you want to you want to go up against these guys to see if you got the goodies to

00:25:21.420 compete against them is that is that what you're saying exactly exactly i respect uh phil and i think

00:25:26.940 he's got a crazy physique and uh it's nothing that i wanted to see more than to be compared to him

00:25:34.220 in real life in real time you know on stage uh you know bringing bringing bringing my best and i know

00:25:41.340 if anybody's capable of helping me bring a better uh or best it'd be field because i looked up to him

00:25:47.180 for from all this this point it's like me chasing dexter jackson finally chased down dexter jackson

00:25:52.220 i was chasing him for years but you know now that i've i've beaten him it's like man it's crazy now

00:25:58.620 i need something else to chase so um yeah i'm still i guess i'm still hungry so are you are you

00:26:03.820 are you kind of campaigning for these guys you know for uh you know would you like to see a full

00:26:09.660 lineup next year 2020 of phil kai rami you know all big you know even rodent everybody to be there of

00:26:16.380 course man of course of course i'd like to see it i think everybody like to see it i mean the

00:26:20.620 bodybuilding community would like to see it i would like to see it as a fan of bodybuilding

00:26:24.060 and as a and as a competitive person i'd like to see it then i got a crazy question for you

00:26:28.380 i got a question for you so this is uh obviously this is 2018 right rodent beads phil heath okay i was

00:26:37.740 in vegas when this happened and i spoke to phil and i had a conversation for a couple hours together

00:26:43.020 and we look at this and you read a lot of news afterwards and you're saying well that was really

00:26:47.900 phil phil should have won it how could rodent win with no triceps he didn't have any triceps is it

00:26:52.940 possible to win without triceps well maybe yes because there's been other people in the past that

00:26:56.540 have won without biceps so what's the big deal who did you think in 18 should have won mr olympia

00:27:03.340 sean oh really you know why midsection not just miss it he won it mentally oh he won it mentally

00:27:11.260 yeah he did elaborate he won it mentally you could see it like i was there competitively uh

00:27:19.500 you know phil phil was at uh i was watching phil the whole time analyzing him and um he was just

00:27:27.180 trying to prove he had improved where people were criticizing his midsection and that's that was really

00:27:32.940 his focus we noticed that you know phil was he came a little bit downsized from the year before and

00:27:39.340 as things played out i just sensed phil was laboring and working way harder than he should

00:27:48.460 have been interesting on stage um it was just like not the typical polished phil that i i don't know

00:27:54.620 what he was struggling with but i've seen dexter jackson do that at the arnold that year as well

00:27:59.340 and uh but i seen phil doing it and he was just struggling and holding poses everything and just you

00:28:05.020 know really in presentation in that point you know sean took advantage of that and kind of like

00:28:11.660 embarrassed them you wouldn't be able to see that by pictures pictures don't tell you that story

00:28:15.340 that's not the part where he stands up and he pauses and he looks well it was just that was one

00:28:19.500 that's one of the major examples but it was it was happening during the whole the whole comparison

00:28:23.900 rounds phil laboring phil getting into poses slow um you know sean just basically showing more stage

00:28:30.700 polishing him and showing that he he mentally was was i guess ready for the title at that point

00:28:37.260 yeah i know sean has holes in his physiques but you know we all none of us are perfect

00:28:41.340 but i think when it came to be him being judged and compared to phil the judges saw that interaction

00:28:48.060 on stage they saw that dynamic and they saw feel kind of his confidence fade and you can judge the

00:28:57.020 the champion on that it's all mental man but what i'm saying is the judgment part yeah with the

00:29:02.860 judgment judgment part what's going on in your head i think uh can reflect to what the judges see

00:29:10.620 of you on stage i think it's just like that uh you know it's kind of that telepathic kind of

00:29:17.260 communication that we we we we know exists but we don't fully understand we you against competitors

00:29:23.500 we you against the judges okay because the judges are my mirror if i'm on stage the judges are my

00:29:28.620 mirror let me ask you when you're posing are you looking at them or you're looking at the audience

00:29:32.220 i'm doing a little bit of both oh so you could be so you could be looking at the judges as well

00:29:36.380 yeah i'm doing a little bit of both why are you looking at the judge if i need if i need to

00:29:39.740 understand what's going on on stage that i don't see i'm looking at the judge huh if i want the

00:29:44.940 feedback if i wanted to know if i if i got the edge if i want to know uh you know am i favorite i'm

00:29:51.660 looking at the judges they're telling me everything i need to know if if the judges are ignoring me

00:29:56.780 which i've been on stage and that's happened before that's a bad sign that's a bad sign if

00:30:01.020 they're not into it if if i don't see them you know analyzing things properly if i'm not seeing

00:30:08.060 any emotional expressions on anybody's face at any point in time when i feel like i'm giving something

00:30:15.580 then uh then i may be a little worried do you feel that do you feel that on stage

00:30:21.420 that they're not even looking at you oh yeah you you don't feel that you know okay so for him

00:30:26.460 he had the physique to win it so you're not saying he didn't have the physique to win it i i think

00:30:32.460 you know phil has a lot a lot of weapons a lot of weapons that that you would say with any

00:30:39.260 weaknesses he have that would that would overshadow and his conditioning was was was good too it wasn't

00:30:44.060 as he's in bad condition a lot of people say that but it's kind of like what i understood about

00:30:49.580 ronnie's ring you come in you have an issue they say okay we'll let you have that but listen you're

00:31:00.780 gonna have to correct this if you want to win another title and i kind of feel like phil was in the same

00:31:06.460 predicament that's why he was so look even backstage like my midsection's good you know trying to confirm

00:31:12.620 that with with everybody media everybody looking uh but i don't think once he got on stage the uh

00:31:20.460 the opposing conditioning he was in his ability to control to hold it i don't think that told the

00:31:25.340 proper story and that's what he was being criticized on he's being critic he's being judged against

00:31:31.340 himself so so what you are saying though i just want to restate this is that his physique physique not

00:31:37.820 meant you could tell sean was confident there's no question about it but his physique beat rodent's

00:31:43.740 physique i won't say i won't say i won't say i won't say that exactly you won't say his physique

00:31:49.500 beat rodent's physique i won't say that exactly because because it's the bodybuilding game is

00:31:53.340 interesting are you friends with rodent just i am friends with rolling okay are you friends with

00:31:56.460 phil heat as good as i'm sure i'm friends with both of these guys okay and so both of them know what

00:32:00.700 you're talking about yeah both it's it's a combination of things because when bodybuilding they judge you

00:32:04.540 against yourself so everybody's critical of me you know my first olympia i win oh i'm not i'm not 100

00:32:10.940 i'm not the best condition i could be well that's a compliment to me because all i got to do is improve

00:32:15.820 upon myself you know for next year and i'm going to be even more dangerous sure and say if i came in

00:32:21.740 yeah you know this great champion in the beginning with you know perfection as they would see it then

00:32:29.420 where do i go from there you know if i'm if i'm there already where do i go from there if i can

00:32:35.500 win a title and i'm not there already then it makes me more dangerous then if i win a title and i'm so

00:32:43.340 speak there already and i fall off if the desire matters yes of course and i fall if i fall off you

00:32:48.220 know if i if i'm not even i leave room to be to be beaten because the bodybuilding is almost about

00:32:53.260 beating yourself as much as it is beating the competitors because not only do you have to when you when

00:32:58.860 this is a champion not only you have to beat yourself and you have to beat everyone else yeah

00:33:04.060 and it's this unsaid thing in bodybuilding that sean he beat his last appearance clearly

00:33:11.980 he killed it because he placed fifth that year that year right the year before phil

00:33:18.780 he didn't improve he didn't improve from the previous year did he need to though to beat rodent because

00:33:25.100 you know it's it's because like think about it in the nba or in sports where they would say

00:33:30.460 well you know uh sometimes michael's the same as he was last year because of that let's give the

00:33:35.340 mvp to somebody else you know lebron's the same as he was last year because of that let's give the

00:33:39.420 mvp to somebody else but lebron's still the same this year as last year still better than everybody

00:33:45.820 else which means even if phil comes at the same level as he was last year it's still better than

00:33:50.380 everybody else on the stage he wasn't at the same you don't you don't agree with that statement no he

00:33:53.900 wasn't at the same okay so so so if that's the case now let's go to the next part rodent

00:33:59.900 this is for me i'm not in your world and i told this to phil and i told this to dorian yates and

00:34:04.620 and we got a lot of other mr olympia folks that are coming on uh here i think uh i don't know who

00:34:09.180 else we have scheduled i think ronnie's coming ronnie's coming so we got a few other that are coming soon

00:34:14.220 for me i look at the brand from the outside i come from the 90s era when i followed by i was in the army

00:34:20.380 i had everybody's posters on the wall i know you and i said we kind of both come from the 90s side

00:34:24.860 and i had i remember when ronnie plays i think 15.1 year and i'm like oh my gosh this guy's got a sick

00:34:30.460 physique i mean this guy if he you know the next phase if he changes it he can definitely

00:34:36.140 win the whole thing right now i remember el sombati i remember paul de let you had all these guys that

00:34:41.100 were there and it was hot it was competitive it was something we all bought muscle mag muscle media 2000

00:34:48.700 flex you know all those magazines you're in the world and then all of a sudden similar for me why

00:34:54.300 i'm not turned on by boxing anymore is a similar thing that happened with with uh mr olympia and i'm

00:34:59.740 going to state this and as a current mr olympia i'm curious what you're going to be saying i asked a

00:35:03.580 similar question from uh uh dorian and uh uh phil as well is sometimes when politics gets involved

00:35:12.620 in a sport it turns people off and it goes away from the love of the game to

00:35:18.220 who really won this boxing match who won it did de la jolla win it or the other guy

00:35:22.140 win it did canelo win it or triple g win it did mayweather win it or what is going on over here

00:35:26.540 right when you're looking at these fights um what do you think about the decision the mr olympia brand

00:35:31.180 made to tell sean you cannot compete in 2019 even though it's in trial they don't know any

00:35:37.020 of the information yet do you think that's the right decision to make

00:35:39.420 for me from his perspective no from a business perspective

00:35:51.420 oh that's a hard one because you know as a business as a brand

00:35:57.260 you know whatever happens with this is you know it's going to reflect on you at some point

00:36:05.100 now you either deal with that situation ahead of time or you deal with it later

00:36:09.180 it's one or the other so i think they just chose to deal with it ahead of time before anything

00:36:14.620 was possibly out to you know cause you know they just wanted to kill it before it got started

00:36:21.100 which i can understand uh for sean i of course i think he should have got the benefit of the doubt

00:36:29.020 and uh they should have you know been in been patient enough to allow him to go through

00:36:32.860 you know the trial and whatnot because until then he's innocent and everybody's been even mine

00:36:38.540 and i know sean personally and i just don't i just don't see him being guilty in my opinion i don't

00:36:45.580 know all the details but just sure my personal opinion uh so you know as a business this is

00:36:53.340 it's a different story i don't know i don't know how they made a decision but they moved swiftly and

00:36:59.100 made it they said they consulted other industries they said they consulted other industries yeah oh well

00:37:04.860 you know of course because obviously like ball and yeah brown and you got some of these i get

00:37:09.340 it okay they said they did that and they say to you guys publicly well that's that's what the public

00:37:14.380 i guess the public i don't know who who i don't know who said that i think it may be it's bob

00:37:18.780 chicarello or someone who's who made that statement or maybe it was in dad uh who made that statement yeah

00:37:24.460 but that's what's the that was the consensus that they consulted other outside of themselves and

00:37:30.060 that's the conclusion they came to which if that's what they did that's smart of them whether it's

00:37:36.380 this i agree with the decision or not that's what they probably should have did consult someone outside

00:37:41.340 to see if you know what what have they made a public statement or has somebody else come out and said

00:37:47.100 yeah here's who we contacted and here's what we consulted because you know and the reason why i'm asking

00:37:53.180 this is the following reason are you a movie guy do you do you watch movies you know i watch movies i don't

00:37:58.780 have a movie movie memory okay so there was once a movie done with warrior it was called warrior i

00:38:05.020 want to say it had tom hardy in it uh it had nick nolte in it and uh i don't know if you know this

00:38:12.220 movie where it's like the mma fight and they're gonna guys gonna put five million dollars to see

00:38:16.300 who's the baddest fighter out there right and it's in it's in jersey i think it's in atlantic city and

00:38:21.820 the champions end up being the two the two brothers fighting for five million bucks it's a movie right

00:38:26.140 okay what's this movie have to do with my question here's my question the champion today when you

00:38:32.060 win they pay you what four hundred thousand dollars i think that's the number which is the

00:38:35.100 salary of a president so you get paid the same salary as president trump does this is what they

00:38:39.900 pay you four hundred thousand dollars for mr olympia i think it's underpaid okay i've been on

00:38:44.780 the record multiple times saying they have to be the mr olympia brand's got to do a couple things one

00:38:50.460 of the things they got to do is they got to say listen our guys use pd steroids it's out there

00:38:56.140 it's no longer the hush hush and quite frankly uh what pot used to be back in the 90s or even back

00:39:03.420 yeah back in the 90s smoking weed was like oh my god that guy's a drug addict that guy's this that guy's

00:39:08.540 that look at today you know i'm not one that consumes it i'm not a fan of it i i like to stay

00:39:14.220 fresh and i don't want to have my mind being consumed but guess what as somebody that politically

00:39:18.540 thinks that to each is his own you want to use it go for it if it affects your body great just don't

00:39:22.380 affect my body and my family i think if mr olympia came out and said look our athletes use they choose

00:39:28.300 here's what they're doing the second thing is the money if they don't make the price bigger the purse

00:39:38.060 bigger for somebody like you agreeing to be away from your wife and kids for two years where you're

00:39:46.700 not even seeing them but once you're going to brazil you fly out to nashville you see them for 24 hours

00:39:51.580 and then you're going out to brazil and even though you were there you still found a way to take your

00:39:55.580 kids to school because it matters to you you're away from your wife for your two years i mean professional

00:40:01.020 athletes that do what they do they go home to their family maybe they're on the road trip for like seven

00:40:04.860 days nine days you're missing out for two years to be in kuwait maybe being able to prepare yourself

00:40:09.100 to have your dream become a reality for four hundred thousand dollars i don't think so this is my

00:40:14.780 opinion i could be full of it people could say you have no idea what the hell you're talking about

00:40:18.460 forget about it fine what happens if i'm sitting here saying you know what brandon i got an idea

00:40:25.740 here's what i'm doing i'm willing to fund mr whatever whatever we call it next year competing against

00:40:33.180 mr olympia during the same weekend as mr olympia and to compete you have to agree you cannot compete in

00:40:40.140 mr olympia is what we're saying except our purses want first place is million and a half second place

00:40:46.140 is million bucks third place is five hundred thousand dollars and it goes from there okay

00:40:52.540 do you think that will create motivation for competitors to say holy moly look at the purse here

00:40:59.740 maybe i want to go fight in a place like this to get the platform or do you think that wouldn't change

00:41:05.260 anything with the competitors saying no i'm good i'll still go to mr olympia it's a technical question

00:41:11.340 it kind of it will it depends on um you know how how how much the competitors have followed the

00:41:17.420 history of bodybuilding i mean the ifbb of course has been challenged by some powerful entities vince

00:41:24.620 mcmahon was one of them and he did that he pulled some bodybuilders away paid him more money

00:41:29.100 uh flats some of those guys right right to compete on on hit on his stage and you know and a lot of

00:41:35.660 guys went and made a lot of money but it just didn't last didn't have the foundation that uh

00:41:41.340 that the ibb had so you know it was a scare at first so it depends on whether those guys really

00:41:47.740 are going to believe it or they are they going to be made to believe it if it's going to be believable

00:41:53.980 because i don't know what does that mean though what does it mean believable that means these

00:41:56.940 whoever is going to present this this this opportunity has got to have all their duggies

00:42:00.780 in line to ensure that these you know these athletes are are going to be secure and believe

00:42:07.500 in what they say meaning the money the money say it's most credible i'm talking say it's say it's

00:42:13.820 the most credible source of money that you know is there let's just say it's 100 credible pick the

00:42:21.660 biggest celebrity today in the marketplace who's got the most followers and everybody respects and

00:42:26.220 trust this person and they're in shape they want to put it together pick that person everyone knows

00:42:31.020 it's legit right and that's the purse does it change the game it does change the game it does change the

00:42:36.540 game for for them for a lot of people i think it does but will they trust it is the question trust what

00:42:45.980 the money or trust the opportunity will they be comfortable enough to say okay i'm going to

00:42:52.540 leave this security when i know and try something new that you know because we know it's about making

00:43:00.700 money it's a business especially to put your body through you put your body not only for us but

00:43:06.780 whoever this sure of course right yeah so if this entity is not able to make the money that they want

00:43:14.860 the return that they make off this investment that they put in

00:43:17.980 then they're not no matter how much they love what they're going to do they're not going to

00:43:23.900 continue to invest in it as a business person so we have to look at it from that end of the spectrum

00:43:29.420 if they make the return on the investment they're spending all this money yeah they have to be able to

00:43:33.660 continue to do this in order to for it to continue and that's the question that the athletes are going

00:43:38.380 to have to really ask so you know um we just looked at an office space this morning it's a big office

00:43:45.420 space beautiful office space obviously we we have nearly 30 000 square feet of office space here we

00:43:50.940 have our employees that work here we have all the stuff that goes on over here we need a bigger

00:43:54.700 office space 7 45 in the morning we want to look through this space two and a half times big as this

00:44:00.380 we would either buy this entire building or you know be different structure that we put together

00:44:05.500 so i go and i look through the office because i'm like wow it's a pretty sick office space

00:44:09.420 modernized it was built in 99 rebuilt and customized in 2015 etc etc and the company that did it was a

00:44:17.900 very well-known magazine company in 99 very okay now in 99 what do you and i do we buy magazines you

00:44:27.820 go into the car magazine you go into a house magazine bathroom magazines everywhere we go there's mag we

00:44:31.580 buy magazines and you and i both know what happened to print it's gone digital it's gone away we're no

00:44:35.980 longer buying magazines like we once used to right okay so some of the companies that adapted they're

00:44:44.460 around competing those who are not they're getting killed crushed right okay i feel what happened to the

00:44:51.660 printing business due to digital is happening to mr olympia brand because of social media okay some may

00:44:58.780 agree some may not agree so it it tells me as a businessman entrepreneur investor at somebody that

00:45:05.900 looks at everything with been investments this is a good investment for me to make 10 years from now

00:45:10.140 i feel what made mr olympia brand unique was a love of the game with the guy at the top okay

00:45:15.340 there was a storyteller there was a fascination he would look at you with the stories i would hear

00:45:20.700 it's like oh my gosh brandon look at you what you look like is absolutely incredible right they were

00:45:27.020 fascinated by the physique joe weeder you obviously know who i'm talking about okay the the love of the car

00:45:32.860 ferrari for a guy like me to buy ferraris is because of enzo enzo would sit there and watch

00:45:40.140 nikki loud or he would watch these guys race non-stop so when ferrari went public a couple years ago and

00:45:45.740 they started coming out with this california car two hundred thousand dollar car some of the

00:45:49.260 enthusiasts says i don't know if enzo would have done this i don't know if it's a direction they're going

00:45:54.060 do you think the brand is losing a little bit of the love of the game that joe weeder had many many

00:45:58.860 years ago when he started it or you think it's just a different story today i think it has lost

00:46:04.380 it a little bit when he when when that turnover happened but i think you know i think the industry

00:46:15.100 has been able to pick up a little ground a little bit more ground since and i think that we should give

00:46:20.540 uh these new promoters in these positions especially dan you know dan is a big fan of the of the of the

00:46:28.540 weeders he's followed him he's made a movie that's about the story that's important so he you know he

00:46:33.900 he understands he has a really love for the sport he wants to see it grow and i think he should be

00:46:37.660 given the opportunity to you know he had his first year which is it was a very successful year for the olympia

00:46:44.540 a lot of people didn't think it was going to be a successful year for olympia but when we walked out

00:46:48.380 and looked at that crowd on saturday night we got off stage and that's every what all everybody

00:46:52.860 was talking about it's what we're going to talk about like man this place is packed out so we're

00:46:57.500 very very uh uh impressed by what they were the production what they were able to do with their first

00:47:03.020 year so i think if we give these guys the opportunity to do even more which i know they're planning

00:47:11.260 and they're organizing to this day now we say there is doubt in the marketplace well you know they're

00:47:17.900 they are they're on it now planning for the next year hopefully yeah they are they are yeah i know

00:47:22.060 i know i know i know those guys are and some of the guys he has on his team are quite tenacious in

00:47:27.020 business as well i would like to give them the opportunity to actually see you know what they

00:47:33.660 they're going to be to produce what they're going to be able to improve upon because they're new it's a

00:47:37.900 new opportunity uh these guys they come in from a different place uh they obviously have passion for the

00:47:43.580 sport they want their desire to change things they know it needs to be changed and um and i think

00:47:49.420 uh there's a little pressure on them to do that as well from other coming from other areas so i like

00:47:54.300 to give these guys an opportunity to yeah to you know to do that before i you know before we talk about

00:48:01.020 you know whether the olympians is is on this downward downward spiral like we've been talking about two

00:48:07.340 two years ago or so so you know uh i i i try to put myself in your shoes and their shoes as well

00:48:13.500 right and and and you know there's these statistics there's one of them that just we pulled up i did

00:48:18.300 a video on it 88 of fortune 500 companies from 1950 are not around 88 are not around that's a crazy

00:48:26.620 statistic why does it happen you don't innovate you get cocky you think gonna be around forever oh we're

00:48:31.900 always going to be this great i i this was my opinion i think they mistreated phil heath i think

00:48:38.300 there was a different approach to take with phil heath here's a guy that sets aside his uh desire to

00:48:44.780 have kids and do all of that stuff and he goes and commits to his career to want to build it because

00:48:50.140 he wants to be a nine time you know ronnie being an eight time he's trying to be a nine time maybe the

00:48:54.540 first time that's a ten time guy to win and uh you know hey great here's what happens all the best

00:49:01.900 hopefully you come back next year this guy won seven you know times you just kind of treat him

00:49:06.540 as a regular mr olympia he won seven times so he sacrificed the the desire to have a kid you know

00:49:13.020 what it is to have kids it's a lot of responsibility and sometimes your kids get sick you get sick that

00:49:18.780 sets you back two weeks and you know what it is when you're hugging your kid and he drools on you you

00:49:22.540 don't know how you got a flu you're feeling under the weather the next you're trying to work at you

00:49:25.980 don't feel the 400 strength that's a risk you're taking to have kids when you're bodybuilding okay

00:49:31.740 then i see you and i see you become mr olympia and you're a good citizen everyone likes you you're

00:49:37.900 a class act everybody says nothing but good things about you as a human being you're a great citizen

00:49:44.940 too mr olympia if mr olympia is watching this which some tells me they're going to be watching this

00:49:49.340 okay if they are this would be my game if i'm down and you don't have to comment on this i'm just

00:49:55.180 going to say this and you can say agree disagree or say nothing you can do whatever you want to do with

00:49:59.580 it okay say i'm somebody of influence and i have money and have influence have the right contacts

00:50:05.500 you say pat i want to be your right hand guy i tell you this is what you got to do you say pat

00:50:10.780 i'm willing to do it i said brandon it's going to take you five years to become who you want to be

00:50:14.700 pat i want to be that no problem you go pay the price to be my right hand guy it is my responsibility

00:50:20.700 to do whatever i can to have your dreams to become a reality so what does that mean

00:50:24.140 you got my contacts my investors are your investors what deals you want to do let's do

00:50:28.780 them together you want to start something go for it hey you want to go uh do a cameo in a movie you

00:50:33.500 want to be in a show you want to do this no my contacts are here i can get you you want to write

00:50:37.340 a book i'll introduce you to simon and schuster you want to go out there and do this part i got my

00:50:41.180 contacts will take care of you my attorneys my accountants are yours right i think mr olympia today

00:50:46.860 has the following opportunity to come through and see what they can do for you because if they

00:50:55.020 come through and give you what you want whatever those things may be and turn you into a rock star

00:51:00.620 in a marketplace to the limits that you're willing to sacrifice where it doesn't affect your preparation

00:51:05.180 for 2020 mr olympia i think that if i'm in the marketplace and saying dang they take care of their

00:51:10.140 first place like that i want to be that i don't think they did that with phil heat i think they just

00:51:14.620 kind of had phil heat when okay we'll see you again next year again we'll see you next year so

00:51:18.940 that is my biggest concern because if i'm sitting there on a property that if somebody if on a

00:51:26.540 company that somebody who builds it does it the right way they can sell it for 600 million dollars

00:51:31.100 but the way i'm running it right now i can only sell for 150 million dollars i'm better off selling

00:51:35.500 it to somebody for 200 billion dollars and leaving it up to them to sell it for 600 million dollars the

00:51:40.220 point i'm trying to make i would if i if i was mr olympian i'm not willing to do the part

00:51:44.540 to promote the hell out of it to get it to the next level maybe i'm going to bring a guy that's

00:51:49.180 in the bodybuilding world and who loves exercising pick some of the guys in hollywood whoever's at the

00:51:54.620 top pick pick rock 100 something some million followers sell them 51 percent of mr olympia

00:52:00.780 work some kind of a joint venture have them come and run the brand i guarantee you mr olympia is going

00:52:05.260 to go to a whole different level if a guy like that's promoting it at the top i guarantee people out of

00:52:09.420 the woodworks will come to want to compete to be mr olympia because if they do guess what rock's going to get

00:52:14.060 you in another movie that he's doing and you'll get a couple lines and hey now you got endorsements

00:52:18.220 now you got this stuff there was a benefit of playing with chris paul you play with chris paul

00:52:21.580 you're doing a state farm commercial how many of his teammates did state farm commercials all these

00:52:25.100 other guys so what do you think about that well that's that looks good that looks good that sounds

00:52:29.740 great you know would you like to see mr olympia go in that direction uh you know of course of course

00:52:34.460 but some of that i believe is to our responsibility as an individual as a bodybuilder myself

00:52:39.980 how i present myself to the public the opportunities i choose to accept the ones i choose not to

00:52:45.420 you think weeder helped arnold of course of course he helped him what i mean is like hey

00:52:51.180 i partied with these guys last week i want you to meet arnold and i want you to put him in a movie

00:52:55.420 you think we did those but he helped him but he also hand selected him and he was preferably groomed

00:53:01.020 for what they wanted to sell and to promote how much of it do you think is on the athlete how much

00:53:05.260 of you think is on the brand to lift up the players i think i think as as a business it's

00:53:09.420 a 50 50 situation i'm with that i'm with that i agree with that some sports trying to go into

00:53:13.980 different countries to play to pull the other audience for you and it just kind of makes your

00:53:17.260 contract more because if the league gets bigger that means you're getting a bigger payday so if roger

00:53:21.580 godel who wants a 50 million dollar a year salary but he signed a 10 20 billion dollar contract with the

00:53:29.180 tv and everybody that owned an nfl team their network just went up 50 percent he's doing his part as a

00:53:34.940 league that's the question that's the part i'm saying that the guys at the top at mr olympia gotta

00:53:39.900 do something for me to say i want to go compete in mr o well you know they have an advantage over us

00:53:45.900 who's they the league itself mr olympia exactly why the advantage is they know as athletes we're in

00:53:53.980 the sport because we love it we love it exactly maybe even other sports by the way maybe even more

00:54:00.060 than other sports because it's the pain is actual side effects there could be actual side effects

00:54:05.340 long term with bones with you know like football concussions you guys got some stuff like look what

00:54:10.060 happened right now with flex wheeler you know there is some some stuff that you may pay a price 10 15

00:54:14.860 20 years from now so if you're willing to put your body through that i got to protect you

00:54:19.980 that's just my thoughts that's that's a good that's a good place to be and these discussions these

00:54:24.220 discussions matter they're important because things don't change without them right i hope they're

00:54:28.140 having it man that's all i'm saying i hope they're having it so so to go past this topic here so you

00:54:34.060 would like to see a full lineup 2020. so if phil is watching this kai's watching this if all these guys

00:54:39.020 are watching it you would like to see a full lineup next year to see how it's going to turn out everybody

00:54:45.900 would like to see a full lineup i would i would be motivated out my mind if i knew i was going to be

00:54:51.820 up against a full lineup uh that does set my preparation off for 2020 me and my coach we we we got a lot

00:54:57.980 to prove man a lot of people are talking and we love it it motivates us uh to get better and that's

00:55:03.500 what this sport is all about is getting better so with that opportunity i'm gonna try to get better

00:55:07.820 regardless but you know you know certain things fire you up and that's just one of those things

00:55:12.140 as an athlete that will fire me up i look at your deal man i look at your physique like again like when

00:55:17.260 i showed this to during i'm like dude this is crazy to me but if all of these guys come back to want

00:55:23.100 to compete all of them what what do you you're technical i don't see it from your lens i'm not

00:55:29.180 looking at from your lens how much more can you improve to beat these guys next year though because

00:55:34.460 well well let's put it this way i'm honest with this my conditioning was better earlier this year

00:55:39.020 at the arnold uh i did have a little bit more size for this show me bringing the conditioning that

00:55:44.220 i have for the honor which is one show prepping for one show i'm i'm always let's see it's always

00:55:49.820 easier to prep for one show then that's right then multiple shows especially if the shows let's say

00:55:57.020 i have to start all over again with my preparation again if the shows are close it's like you just

00:56:00.460 kind of stay in range but once you have to prep shut it down start all over again the body may act

00:56:06.780 a little different a little resistant that's why so few people have won the arnold and the olympia in

00:56:11.260 the same year it's just it's just harder to do that's why there's respect though right to do that

00:56:17.580 it's just harder to do so i just know if this one show coming into olympia conditioning will not be

00:56:22.940 the factor i'll be super crisp so you're not doing arnold this year no i'm not doing it okay so i'll

00:56:27.900 be super fresh got it you know my body will not be stressed from any other competitions and i'll be

00:56:33.260 ready definitely ready to go and with the improvements i've been making from year to year i'm kind of in

00:56:38.460 the prime what they call a prime right now the improvements are for me i feel are inevitable as long

00:56:44.140 as i keep working hard putting my work in the improvements and quality are inevitable mass

00:56:49.580 quality everything is inevitable because i'm right i'm right in the meat of where we say this body

00:56:55.340 building sweet spot exactly so i you know i'm saying i know i'm dangerous no matter who comes back these

00:56:59.820 guys they got to be they got to come back with at their best and you know you know that's not easy

00:57:06.540 so if they do if they come at their best and you come at your best i'm talking no arnold classic you're

00:57:12.300 not coming you know phil's not going to do arnold classic if he comes back if he comes back and all

00:57:16.460 these guys come back with no arnold classic hypothetically do you think you can beat these

00:57:21.420 guys and win it again next year 2020 because that's a big one mr olympia 2020 will be remembered

00:57:26.460 i would not i would not desire this if i didn't think i could i could win okay all right i just don't

00:57:31.660 want to do this this is just for participation ribbon uh i want to i want to challenge i want to

00:57:37.020 respect and i want the responsibility i respect that a lot doing it you know that's what i want i respect

00:57:41.260 that a lot i know you went from 2011 you were eight 17 you were eight 18 you were fifth and in

00:57:46.700 19 you were first and you went up against uh uh uh uh uh william chopin dexter dexter fourth place

00:57:55.020 at 49 years old to me it's just insane to look like that at 49 years and i used to follow this guy

00:58:00.460 20 years ago like you know so so so let's let's get to our buddy's question here now one of the things

00:58:06.460 i'd want to spend some time on is a little bit of kuwait before we wrap it up but comparing you

00:58:11.660 know the whole thing about you again you get this in sports which is like we know our era of body

00:58:16.300 builders were better than your era of bodybuilders right i mean it's normal sometimes it's pride for

00:58:21.660 the older generation to say you know i think we are at a better place than yours but you know you look

00:58:27.660 at this and dorian i respect them a lot but when you look at these two what do you notice from the

00:58:32.700 90s to today i mean this is obviously where you were competing versus when these guys were competing

00:58:37.420 what's the biggest difference well the biggest difference from what you see today is today you'll

00:58:44.380 see literally every photo from a show unedited raw back then every photo you saw was out of a magazine

00:58:54.060 chosen edited very good point you know what i mean very good for for for marketing purposes very good so

00:59:02.140 you can't you can't really social media has changed the game on how you can even compare the

00:59:06.300 two to be honest and photography is way different you know they didn't have high definition cameras and

00:59:13.740 you know 4k and all that kind of stuff back in the day you know they even even the way they lit they

00:59:18.700 lit the stages were different it's just a completely different animal when you try to compare the two

00:59:23.100 but i i'm just happy dorian can be critiquing me that's that's that's that's an opportunity it's a

00:59:29.500 champion like him critiquing critiquing me that's this is my respect and it shows me it shows me

00:59:35.820 exactly why he won so many championships shows he's still competitive yeah that's the part about

00:59:41.660 him can you imagine so i want to play this to what he said obviously you've seen this i want to play this

00:59:45.500 to you and then i want to read your response and i'm curious to know what you're going to say when you

00:59:50.380 know what you're thinking when you when you hear him talk about this here's what he said

00:59:53.180 we're at mr olympia this last one day how did you feel about the whole contest did you i mean

00:59:58.060 obviously brandon curry won what do you think about brandon curry as a physique as a winner

01:00:02.700 well i mean i respect to all the guys up there they're all doing their best but if i'm to be

01:00:07.900 honest and that's that's pretty much normally what i am i feel the standard of the mr olympia

01:00:14.700 is not what it used to be the whole thing's diversified you've got all these different

01:00:19.100 categories and classes and everything but the mr olympia the pure bodybuilding itself um

01:00:25.180 you had three guys there that you know i guess so they were pretty close uh there was two guys in

01:00:30.860 what i would say pretty good shape you know they were in they were in good shape but they're quite

01:00:35.660 small guys yeah um william bonak okay second and um a guy from iran how do you shop on yeah i don't

01:00:43.180 couldn't pronounce his name uh very good and in good shape but they're smaller guys they're

01:00:48.860 smaller guys and so brandon won it i believe because he got more stature it is bigger it looks

01:00:55.100 more like a mr olympia but he wasn't in incredible shape um so i think it was probably one of the

01:01:02.700 weaker weaker mr olympias that that we've seen what do you look at when you look at this i'm curious like

01:01:08.220 your eyes where does it go first and then where does it go because when i look you know the average

01:01:12.780 person looks at it's like oh my gosh this guy's a beast what do you look at well he's got very um

01:01:19.180 good fullness good roundness to the muscles and no really noticeable weak points in that in that

01:01:25.420 pose but he's lacking deep separation and conditioning that used to be the norm in the

01:01:32.860 mr olympia the conditioning part yeah the conditioning and that was what's lacking these

01:01:37.420 days kevin levron as well would you agree with that where some of the times he would show up pretty

01:01:41.260 full yeah it wasn't yeah kevin had a great physique but it wasn't consistent at that time you know best

01:01:47.820 maybe sixth place whatever and then your response that came out and i read i'm like

01:01:52.620 like the classiest response you could have given right i'm reading this it says so in a nutshell

01:02:00.700 it's dorian being dorian nobody did it harder stricter and as hardcore as dorian we got one

01:02:05.580 legendary video to prove it he can have that i'll just inarguably give it to him he needs that it's

01:02:11.340 his legacy so of course bodybuilders didn't work as hard as he did hell yeah we may rely more on technology

01:02:17.100 or ped so this makes his way and his era better simple as that you know why he says so and some

01:02:23.660 others would agree with them we know his way made him a champion and some may say the most badass

01:02:29.740 hardest working blue collar on grain bodybuilder that's ever lived he can have that but this guy

01:02:34.780 right here referring to himself is completely different and i'm totally cool with it i got to

01:02:39.260 watch a video just the other day that put dorian's 1993 versus 2019 brandon head to head and for pose for

01:02:46.460 pose i love the comparison and i'm happy to be just who i am as well i'm sure he can attest to not

01:02:52.140 how not winning your first mr olympia at 100 on a vacated title makes you more dangerous if you do

01:02:58.540 improve and continue and but your your trainer had a complete different by the way this is pure class

01:03:03.660 like you can do a class on how to respond to your competitors when i read this i'm like brandon could

01:03:09.900 run for office man the way he was responded right but your trainer took a different approach i don't

01:03:15.260 know if you read his approach i didn't read it but i know my trainer yes abdul alotabi says continue 0.99

01:03:21.100 smoking that shit you're smoking waiting for your response oh never mind you're irrelevant that's 0.99

01:03:26.700 what he said you're trained now what are your thoughts the first time you saw this and you hear 1.00

01:03:31.500 him saying that well just like i thought that's man that's just so dorian right that's so expected

01:03:37.020 perspective of him you know i've seen several energies with dorian it's pretty much the same

01:03:41.900 narrative no matter no matter no matter who would who won um he just had a certain way of doing

01:03:47.180 things he he believed in that he marketed it it worked for him and you know everything else is

01:03:55.660 not is not not good enough and that's fine i mean that's cool it doesn't really bother me

01:04:03.340 i can look at i can look at my physique i can look at the comparisons and i'm like i said i'm

01:04:07.020 really happy with what i can bring i'm very impressed i was very impressed by dorian what

01:04:11.500 he was able to do i mean i respect that guy tremendously the mindset he had to have so

01:04:16.460 i don't i don't i don't really expect much different from a champion as competitive as him

01:04:21.900 got it so that to you was normal when you heard it you're like yeah it makes sense he would say

01:04:25.100 something like that exactly but you know what's crazy like one of the things that you guys both

01:04:28.620 also have in common here's the thing that i noticed that both of you guys have in common

01:04:32.300 uh i asked him a question i said what was the advantage that he had over his competitors

01:04:36.300 he says i trained in uk right away from everybody because when you're here there's a party all this

01:04:42.220 stuff that's going on and you would get caught up in it right and you made a similar move two years

01:04:47.500 ago where you and your wife are like babe here's what i gotta do if i want to win i gotta go do

01:04:50.940 something and then he came and he recruited you and you decided to go to kuwait and train at the gym

01:04:56.940 called oxygen uh in a temperature of 118 degrees dry it's not humid and an all male gym this is not

01:05:05.980 like a gym you go to goals where you got men and women and you got ladies doing squats and deadlifts

01:05:11.180 and you're trying to distract yourself with 50 mirrors and somehow some way you can't miss the

01:05:15.900 butt or whatever they're doing as you're getting distracted we're men so we see how that happens

01:05:21.180 what are the benefits you had of going to kuwait and how did that impact your victory in 2019

01:05:27.180 all right first benefit having a coach

01:05:29.740 that is 100 on my side believes in me 100 percent uh it's very obvious yeah he's 100 in my corner

01:05:38.140 man uh he's my he's my little brother technically he always calls me uh he always says he's bigger than

01:05:44.060 me or older than me but he's my little brother but he's just tenacious man and having that behind

01:05:49.260 you somebody that supports you in that way and you're on the same page you know you can really

01:05:55.340 just accomplish a whole lot almost pretty much anything being in oxygen gym where batter buddha

01:06:01.180 has laid out a an incredible place for an atmosphere for bodybuilding machines equipment

01:06:07.020 everything's picked by him he's fully invested in what he does uh you know he's advanced my opinion on

01:06:12.860 this and this and that and uh i know his passion for it is is it's crazy and that's why he's so

01:06:19.260 successful what he does and i just i just feel honored that you know he could have me be a part

01:06:25.980 of that and i just i just want to be able to represent that brand to the best of my abilities

01:06:30.140 as well because i mean he don't he don't have to go out his way to be to provide me this opportunity

01:06:34.780 and he doesn't have to support bodybuilding as an industry as he does by bringing some some just this

01:06:40.300 new this new flavor to bodybuilding i would say and then in the middle east he's created this whole

01:06:48.300 new excitement for the sport as well and all over the middle east so everybody's trying to step their

01:06:53.740 game up in the middle east because of him trying to compete so i mean it's crazy i mean the convenience

01:07:01.660 of the gym i live right beside the gym he has a flat for me right there i come down the stairs the

01:07:05.980 elevator not the stairs the elevator i walk what just right next door going to the gym it's right there

01:07:12.300 restaurants there i can eat what i want gotta do that a meal sponsor eat smart they send me my meals

01:07:18.060 every day all i gotta do is text them what if i have any changes i mean i go in there i could train

01:07:24.380 my free time i can just rest i can focus on what i what i need to do to recover when you rest i'm just

01:07:30.940 i i need to take naps i can catch up my family i can i can do some some research uh any form of

01:07:38.380 entertainment i can watch uh i can just even my coach you know he picks me up let's go eat somewhere

01:07:44.300 go eat the health food restaurants oxford restaurant or cheat meal whatever it may be

01:07:48.620 uh you know it's i'm one of those people i guess you could say i don't need to be stimulated at all

01:07:53.740 times you don't need to be i don't need to be i guess i grew up you know i'm i grew up with two

01:07:57.900 sisters but i say it's more like an only child in some forms because i had to stay away from my

01:08:03.740 sisters importantly because i know i would get in trouble if i spent too much time with them because 0.99

01:08:07.580 they'd be crying we'd be playing the game and they you know something's happened so i spent a lot of

01:08:12.140 time to myself and and i got used to that growing up as the only boy so me being in this confined area

01:08:19.260 spending time to myself all this kind of stuff it's not a problem for me to be there to focus on what

01:08:23.500 i need to do plus at the back of my mind it's like i got this opportunity to be away from my family

01:08:28.220 right i'm spending all this time away what am i why am i going to be here and wasting my time like

01:08:35.500 well i need to give this all i got i need to make sure i am trying to be 100 on every single day

01:08:42.620 because if i come back and i don't i don't produce what i need to produce brandy's going to say what

01:08:48.860 happen i just i'm gonna feel like i'm a complete failure you are yeah i'm gonna feel like i'm a

01:08:55.660 complete yeah you know what i mean nope you're not giving these opportunities just to just to let them

01:09:01.580 you say just it's you know just to not value them brandon what's his incentive what's what's

01:09:08.300 their incentive to do this i mean what is it i mean they love the sport they they want to i mean

01:09:14.780 they want to represent and show what they show their muscles so to speak what they know what they

01:09:19.020 understand as a coach he wants to he wants to be the best in the world best coach in the world

01:09:24.140 you know he who got him into bodybuilding why was he so offended by dorian because that's the guy who

01:09:31.020 got him to pay attention to bodybuilding he saw dorian dorian was his favorite bodybuilder he really was

01:09:37.020 yes and he responds to dorian like this yes wow because dorian got him into the sport dorian got

01:09:42.700 him interested in competing and he still responds to dorian like this hey because he is tenacious

01:09:47.020 competitive this guy psycho competitor tenacious how is he with you does he talk to you does he 0.74

01:09:53.820 like how does he drive you is it a uh you know when psychologically he's messing with you like

01:09:59.340 certain coaches do no he doesn't he don't play any tricks i've had those tricks played on me he don't

01:10:04.460 work uh he uh it's like almost like yin and yang he's fast i'm more slow you know i'm more calm he's

01:10:14.300 more upbeat i slow him down he speeds me up it's more of that dynamic so but he involves me you know

01:10:20.940 he he's not i know it all he has a plan he you know he he tells me to trust him i trust him after

01:10:29.180 said done why though why though i mean you've had a lot of trainers right what makes him different than

01:10:33.180 everybody else because i can i can see he's genuine okay body who believes when he first met me

01:10:38.300 he he he he told me he basically he told me how long he's been following me he met me in like 2010

01:10:44.300 at the at the at the feebo in germany i don't even remember that he remembers it he's he was there

01:10:51.340 when he when i did my first olympia he seen me on stage he he's sitting there asking me what he

01:10:56.940 thinks my best look was because he's he's questioning whether we agree yeah it's first time i'm day i met

01:11:02.860 him he already had a plan laid out he's excited obviously he has vision another thing is he has

01:11:09.420 good eyes which is the key in bodybuilding good eyes a lot of times you could have a lot of head

01:11:17.420 knowledge you could have a you can be educated but if you you don't have vision if you can't see

01:11:24.140 what's going on you can't make the adjustments if you if you don't if you can't tell tell if you can't

01:11:30.780 visually i guess take a snapshot i guess he maybe he has he's maybe he has a photographic memory i

01:11:35.340 don't know if he can't tell what's going on from one day to the other just by looking at me

01:11:41.740 and reading my body then i don't care how much you know it's not gonna it's not gonna teach that

01:11:46.380 it's not gonna value you so that's where his talent lies and and what's special about the gym yeah you

01:11:51.580 hear about the man you the mirror and all this stuff you know but what is what what is the biggest

01:11:55.740 difference between oxygen gym and gold's gym uh venice santa monica man it's just when somebody

01:12:05.180 puts love into something you can tell when somebody puts passion into something you can tell when you

01:12:11.180 when you put in an environment to where each piece of equipment is hand selected

01:12:17.580 he don't want he don't want the publicity of of anybody copying him so he removes all the labels

01:12:22.700 off the pieces so you don't even know who produced the equipment because he wants everything to be

01:12:27.500 uniform he don't want to he don't want to highlight any any of those things he wants to show this is

01:12:31.820 this is his his own idea he's he's been on these pieces of equipment he's felt it he understands how

01:12:38.140 it works he puts it in the gym to provide the variations you need so much complexity in the gym

01:12:45.820 so much you can get done i mean we can it's no way i can go in there and do the same workout every day

01:12:50.940 you be bored because you got so much to work with five-star gym you got you got trainers on the

01:12:56.460 floor if i'm ever in there i need a spot if i need somebody to grab me some dumbbells they'll grab me 0.99

01:13:00.620 some dumbbells 25-hour cleaning staff those guys are cool they help you they take the weights off for

01:13:05.900 you they wipe everything down for you whatever you need they'll go get you some water if you want

01:13:10.780 i mean you got the restaurant to serve all your needs downstairs if you need if i need to eat when

01:13:14.140 i'm there i just go in there and get it massage therapy if i need to relax in the sauna zero zero cold tub

01:13:21.180 or the pool whatever i need to do all of it yeah he's taking care of all the needs and uh and he

01:13:27.260 cares about the place he's he's renovating the one that we go to yeah he's starting a renovation

01:13:31.900 project this gym is already complete he's built two and quite since right he's starting a renovation

01:13:36.780 project to where he wants to expand the leg room put the cross crossfit room in the basement

01:13:41.420 yeah he don't have to do that he's not gonna lose any members if he don't he may not even make

01:13:46.220 no one any more money because he did so it's just it's just his love and his passion for it that

01:13:51.500 you know i can agree with it drives me you prefer working out there than goals is it a different

01:13:57.500 kind of an environment or is goals more history to you you know if i work out with go work out with

01:14:04.460 goals then i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to necessarily be working out of goals out of charles

01:14:09.420 now i had the opportunity to train at goals recently two weeks ago but i trained with charles

01:14:17.260 and dex charles first time he's been wanting to train me for years he's never charles never trained

01:14:22.220 you never trained me first time he's he's been wanting to for years but asked me but this first

01:14:26.220 time i've been able to connect with charles and train with him and that that'd be the dominant reason

01:14:30.700 for me to train at goals would be for not not for facility itself but for who was there and it's

01:14:36.460 kind of similar with this the facility itself is great but who was there the energies is there

01:14:42.620 the brotherhood is there everybody's there for one reason we try to get better as bodybuilders

01:14:50.220 and we try to do it as a team you see rami all the time you see winkle are they there i see winkle

01:14:55.180 on a regular base rami of course is not there anymore and when rami was there he had a little bit

01:14:59.660 of a different schedule than than we did got it but uh roly i see every day we live on the same floor

01:15:09.100 uh you know we're tight man we've been knowing each other for years so he's a he's a he's another

01:15:13.900 guy that's loved by everybody yeah roly people like him a lot man i mean he just seems like a

01:15:19.180 he's a good guy man yeah he's a good fun he's a good fun loving guy man he loves kids he's like

01:15:23.100 a big kid himself you know and uh you can tell that when you see him he won uh did he win 2018

01:15:28.380 arnold classic he won 2017 or 20 uh last year he won uh arnold australia arnold australia got it

01:15:35.500 arnold australia uh here one of the things you say in your response to dorian is hell yeah we may have

01:15:40.940 more rely on technology or pd how open are you about pd yourself well it's not something that i i tend to

01:15:49.820 i'm not i'm not a person that educates people in that field because i don't have the background to

01:15:54.060 educate people everything i know is through personal experience and that may not be something

01:15:59.740 that you can just you know you can't i i'm not like this guy i like that guy so and i don't want

01:16:05.420 and i'm not one of those guys that depended on that early i didn't believe it i didn't believe that

01:16:09.820 that's right you and ronnie were one of the guys that you guys naturally competed way way past it

01:16:14.700 until until until being a pro was actually in my reach um you know it was the next level it wasn't

01:16:22.780 it wasn't necessary for me it wasn't until it became a job it wasn't necessary so my thing for

01:16:27.660 for these young guys is you got to come and develop your physique completely as much as you can without

01:16:33.740 because it's going to benefit you down the road the more the more you come into the game and you want to

01:16:38.780 bring complexity to it it's gonna it's not gonna make it easier it's gonna come make it more complicated

01:16:43.580 because you're throwing in more variables which means that your body has to deal with more variables

01:16:47.340 which means there's so many other things that can change yeah so until you know the basis the

01:16:52.380 foundation of how to build muscle how to burn fat why are you going to over complicate this process

01:16:57.820 which is already complicated and add another variable that changes the game dynamically and

01:17:03.260 dramatically you know it's you shouldn't do that you should learn your body know that you know how to

01:17:08.220 properly train know that you know how to properly build muscle know that you know how to properly

01:17:11.740 incorporate nutrition before you need an advantage there's no there's no way you're going to need

01:17:16.380 an advantage before you not do that because if you do if you do it the other way around you're gonna

01:17:21.020 have to learn everything else over and over again once you hit that wall and you reach that level where

01:17:25.900 those peds are not going to do anything for you anymore except take more which makes you would 0.95

01:17:29.900 make you more talk and put you at more risk so you're gonna have to start all over again and try to

01:17:33.980 learn it right because you learned it wrong and that's what i tell a lot of guys especially in certain areas

01:17:39.500 current cultures even even the middle east some of those guys they think the first thing they got

01:17:44.060 to do okay uh i'm training now what what i got to take it's like no that's that's not the route you

01:17:51.660 want to go it's you're training now learn your body learn learn how you respond we're all a little bit

01:17:58.060 different once you learn those things then you can add a different dynamic that you can play with

01:18:04.220 and complicate it even more but and you're starting there's no need to complicate do you see any need

01:18:09.820 of doing it if you're not going to be competing professionally you know what i'm saying no i don't

01:18:14.380 i don't see i don't see a reason to unless you aspire to go to a high level right or unless you're

01:18:21.260 doing it from some some kind of anti-aging benefit you know for your for your personal health sure

01:18:25.100 absolutely but you know that's the that's really the only reason if it's not if it's not for competitive

01:18:29.740 very logical reasoning you got there because you know how sometimes they say you know you go to

01:18:34.300 kuwait because kuwait's the place middle east has the best pd they have the best drugs way better 0.96

01:18:39.340 than us you hear that all the time it's not really true it's not really true it's not it's not really

01:18:44.140 true maybe there's certain leniencies that that we don't experience in the u.s but you know you get

01:18:49.660 you get a mixed bag everywhere you go everybody you know you don't you know you gotta you gotta have 0.78

01:18:55.660 you know people that you trust or people that they can source you correctly you don't because

01:19:00.700 it's face bullcrap all over the world you know yeah it's because there's money in it at the level

01:19:06.460 you know uh dave palombo talked about the fact that uh you know when you're going if you go 12 weeks you 0.85

01:19:11.500 got to take 50 percent off you know whether you're six weeks off you know 12 weeks on six weeks off 12

01:19:15.820 weeks off uh on when you're at the mr o level can you even do that or at the mr o level you got to be

01:19:22.940 year-round to be able to compete at the highest level no at the mr o level it's gonna depend on

01:19:27.420 your competition schedule if you compete multiple times a year you know that's gonna that's gonna

01:19:31.660 affect how how much you got to be you know prepared but if you're not competing multiple times a year

01:19:36.860 then you can give your body a break you schedule those things and you can pay attention to your

01:19:40.380 health i mean back in the day they criticized us now for i made that statement just because that's

01:19:45.180 what they speculate they speculate that we do because you know we got new things that a lot of people

01:19:51.820 like these arms and things a lot of people think that's that's all the rage and bodybuilding for

01:19:55.420 us and it's not you know most bodybuilders i know on a professional level we don't really fool a lot

01:20:00.540 with arms we may have tried to play with them but we know that's not the basis so that's the new

01:20:05.900 newer technology things that people talk about but i know they competed a whole lot more than us

01:20:10.220 back in the day i mean maybe not dorian because he was mr olympia but all the other guys they

01:20:15.660 compete a whole lot more than us so i mean they use more stuff than they competed a lot meaning

01:20:20.620 they compete more tournaments per year i got it so you know i don't you know good point so you

01:20:26.140 have to be on stuff regularly right yeah they talk about us like we don't compete enough anymore but

01:20:30.620 you know it's like because you know you're not trying to stress our bodies out i've done that

01:20:35.260 you know i don't want to i don't want to compete nine eight shows yeah i asked you know reagan grimes

01:20:40.300 talked about the fact that hey when he was there was too much he wanted to kind of get away from it and

01:20:43.980 then you kind of seen what he said about it well you know it's it's it's it's you know when you

01:20:53.660 let's put it this way when you need a reason you can find it doesn't make it necessarily true

01:21:03.340 but that's the reason you put there and and you put that out there and that's the reason

01:21:08.540 and they got to take it as is that may not be the real reason that those that know but you know

01:21:14.540 but people will accept that because that's what they want to believe

01:21:18.540 fair enough what do you think about these guys uh that on youtube they'll just go out and say this

01:21:22.940 is my cycle here's what i did here's like maybe a boston lloyd hey here's a the the stuff that i'm using

01:21:29.180 uh this is how you cycle you think it's you think it's also a good to go out there and kind of

01:21:34.460 share your cycles on youtube and encourage young people to get on because you're seeing a lot of it

01:21:38.220 like even for myself i'm seeing 16 17 18 year olds start talking about hey i'd like to get on these

01:21:43.980 cycles what are your thoughts on that i don't i don't think it's very responsible uh unless unless

01:21:49.500 you're an expert in you know endocrinology and all this kind of stuff unless you have the background to

01:21:53.260 where you can protect these people i don't think you should be just throwing out this little information

01:21:58.460 as it can be followed because i mean the bodybuilding of course is in these pd stuff it's not it's not

01:22:03.820 cookie cutter you know what works for one person just like any other drug uh from any other companies

01:22:10.620 it may not work for you just because viagra's supposed to give you an erection doesn't mean

01:22:14.140 everybody that takes viagra was going to get an erection you know somebody somebody's going to get

01:22:17.980 those side effects that they put on that commercial four hours and somebody's not yeah you know you know

01:22:23.740 so you you you have these these kids maybe unknowingly with all the information out now they shouldn't be

01:22:30.220 unknowingly to be honest so let me ask you what what book you recommend reading uh if i know nothing

01:22:36.620 about it i don't want to use anything but i'm thinking about i'm going to go be a bodybuilder

01:22:39.500 what book should i read to get more educated on pd steroids all these things one of the most complete

01:22:44.380 guides that i that i've come across and i actually have is how to be your own bodybuilding coach

01:22:49.260 by dr scott stevenson who is a very very educated guy and he but he's able to take very very complex

01:22:55.980 information and kind of break it down to where people can can understand it and in its complex

01:23:02.460 complexities and he takes a you know a very uh conservative safe health conscious approach

01:23:10.620 from his experience even training the diet everything he lays out he even lays out the

01:23:16.700 different differences so you can have your your options and variations because he knows everybody's

01:23:21.500 not the same as soon as you start talk to to dr scott he's going to be like if you don't

01:23:25.820 know something he doesn't know anything he doesn't know it but he's going to say okay but

01:23:30.380 in this scenario maybe this is the case but in this scenario maybe this is the case he understands

01:23:35.180 the complexity of what we do in a sport and he's a very educated man and he's been around a long

01:23:41.420 time and he still competes he's competed recently i think he competed this year uh he's on an

01:23:45.820 amateur level but he's very educated and uh you when you speak to him he's he's going to give you

01:23:52.060 a wealth of very interesting i like smart people man and i follow smart people uh and he's one of

01:23:56.780 those guys that i really really respect his opinion uh you know along with a lot of other guys like

01:24:02.380 such as john meadows and and and uh jordan peterson there's a lot of good resources out there uh jordan

01:24:09.420 peter you dropped jordan peterson and this is no no no no not not the bodybuilding the bodybuilding world

01:24:14.700 oh a different jordan peterson from the uk from the uk bro from the uk not not that guy

01:24:22.700 i was gonna say we went to a whole different conversation i'm just saying for this modern

01:24:27.740 age these guys they don't have books but they have actual web subscription sites where you can watch

01:24:33.500 videos you can have to form all those kinds of things to get educated before you make it this is a

01:24:37.900 this is going to affect your health and it's best to know what you're doing before i have a friend of

01:24:41.580 mine math guy man before he does anything he bought every one day i went and sat down with

01:24:47.500 him we're having lunch he told me all of these things he got about steroids then he said i'm

01:24:53.260 thinking about doing this like okay but i respect the fact that he read every paper from doctors from

01:24:59.340 this and he pretty much gave a presentation i said good for you for taking that run and he's always

01:25:03.180 like that about everything he does last topic before we get into a couple things here how's flex doing

01:25:09.340 what's what's the you know obviously a lot of people in the bodybuilding world love flex and

01:25:13.420 admire him how's this health well you know i saw i was with flex two weeks ago at the memorial

01:25:18.220 service of franco colombo and we actually sat i sat right beside him doing the doing the the service

01:25:23.580 and um and you know i could tell someone's weighing on him a little bit but you know he was there

01:25:27.980 trying to enjoy everything uh at the moment and you know and i've been thinking about ever since then

01:25:33.980 and then i hear this this come out and i was like man this is it's crazy if it's not one thing it's

01:25:39.980 another for flex you know and he happened to hit me up yesterday because he realized it was my birthday

01:25:46.780 and uh you know he checked on me he wished me happy birthday i'm like man this guy i'm thinking to myself

01:25:52.220 out of you know i know he's probably being bombarded you know with people questioning what's going on

01:25:57.340 and he had the you know he had he had the nerve of the i mean the the mindfulness to to think about

01:26:04.380 me once he figured out it was my birthday wish me happy birthday and i you know i just feel honest

01:26:09.180 but i you know i wish flex nothing but the best and i encourage everybody to go out there and support

01:26:14.380 him and you know his recovery because i know that's going to be getting back to normalcy is going to

01:26:18.300 be you know it's going to be a challenge but he i know he has the mindset for it and he and he basically

01:26:23.020 said you know he's you know he's born for this this is what he's morning he's born for and he's

01:26:26.940 going to hopefully be able to inspire people motivate people to do his process so much respect

01:26:31.740 to him man yeah much respect i mean it's flex man it's uh one of you know when you look up to

01:26:38.140 you grow up looking to up up to guys like that and just admiring them and just thinking how incredible

01:26:43.900 they are and then they become your friends and and you know you're able to you know you know

01:26:50.220 communicate with them and be friendly with them he calls me soul brother number one by the way

01:26:54.540 and uh it's just it's just a crazy crazy small world when when those things happen so you know

01:26:59.980 it's a it's an honor and like i said i wish you know hope nothing was the best for flexing through

01:27:04.860 this process man and i know he's you know he's dealing with it but i know that's that same tenacity

01:27:09.660 that he he was able to be a champion with you he'll pull it out a lot of people are rooting for

01:27:14.300 man a lot of so what we're gonna do is we'll put the instagram account below just go follow flex and

01:27:18.140 give him some love they saw the the brandon curry give him a shout out it'd be good for him to hear

01:27:21.820 from uh anybody saying brandon give him this kind of love uh top five favorite bodybuilders who's your

01:27:27.340 top five i asked uh everybody i'm curious to know what you're gonna say man that's good i mean flex

01:27:32.540 would have to be one of them uh of course ronnie lee haney in any specific like who's your at the top

01:27:41.100 now well let's put them all down and now so okay i got it so flex ronnie haney uh phil heath phil heath

01:27:48.220 uh let's see who else sergio olivia sergio olivia yeah very interesting okay is that is that that's

01:27:59.100 five so you're not putting arnold here okay well of course arnold but i'm thinking about uh top five

01:28:07.100 yeah of course arnold lee haney lee haney would be on top for me okay

01:28:11.580 uh and then you got ronnie ronnie second wow definitely eight eight yeah i know ronnie uh

01:28:21.660 uh we got uh we got uh we got arnold okay

01:28:28.460 phil flex sergio phil flex sergio so flex never won you put him fifth yeah very interesting phil

01:28:37.900 flex sergio so haney ronnie arnold phil flex sergio and this has nothing to do with uh

01:28:45.580 uh it has nothing to do with just physique only uh because you know i think i hate hating he's just

01:28:51.340 a epitome of of what i think is you know a complete man in general specimen you know example

01:28:58.460 you know body strength strength you know just the mentality he has a businessman whatever it may be

01:29:03.340 he's just he's just something i could definitely emanate ronnie you know i've known ronnie and

01:29:08.300 just the hardest working coolest coolest laid-back dude man i mean i love ronnie man he's he's a great

01:29:15.500 guy and you know just to see his strength man it's incredible i mean i've been at the table with him

01:29:21.740 eating breakfast knowing he's in pain knowing he's uncomfortable but man he'll never let you know it

01:29:28.060 he'll never he's like nope i'm gonna enjoy this just like everybody else like like i'm not going

01:29:33.660 through anything that's something that man you just you just can't make that that is so true you

01:29:39.180 know yeah i can't wait for that and by the way you know yates also said that about haney like yates

01:29:43.740 said the guy that i saw was haney because he was so disciplined and he ran his life his marriage

01:29:48.860 everything it was so he's almost like the playbook to follow to have a good career here haney uh have

01:29:55.580 we reached out to haney yet or no maybe we got to reach out to i don't think we have we got it we

01:29:59.100 got to definitely reach out to lee haney yeah too yeah so we'll definitely do that we'll definitely do that

01:30:03.340 uh last thing here i'm going to give you a name tell me the first thing that comes to your mind

01:30:07.020 one word that comes to your mind uh arnold schwarzenegger legacy joe weeder

01:30:14.460 empire phil heath attitude wow dorian yates tenacious abdullal otabi tenacious

01:30:24.380 niches as well ronnie coleman yeah whoa you geeked yeah it represents ronnie right there

01:30:37.660 having fun always howdy chopin incredible bodybuilder very cool i'm from iran he's from iran yeah very very

01:30:46.300 very polished very very very good bodybuilder you can tell he's he's studied the sport definitely you

01:30:50.620 think he's got a career like meaning he's going to keep climbing man if if he can keep coming back

01:30:55.100 yeah he's definitely he's definitely set a president and a stage he's very polished mike

01:30:59.820 you got to be on your a-game when you're on stage with hardy because hardy hardy understands

01:31:04.380 the advantages of the gate the game he knows how to play the stage game a lot of those guys

01:31:08.460 weren't aware of how hardy in that way they didn't study him but i fortunately i did but yeah he's

01:31:14.060 he's a very very good bodybuilder sergio olivia sergio olivia was is the myth uh man he's just

01:31:21.500 it's a complex see i know his son and his son talks about him from a personal level i just know

01:31:26.380 us so i know too much so yeah it kind of ruins it for me cool lee haney lee haney example example okay

01:31:33.980 roley roley man big kid my brother dexter og greatest of all time one of the greatest of all time

01:31:42.540 really yeah definitely wow because one of the winners of all time man he's one of the most

01:31:45.900 consistent bodybuilders ever and i give you the last one brandy man i say brandy was like a breath

01:31:54.700 of fresh air when i met her uh she's been like they say you know the rib she's definitely somewhere

01:32:02.620 supporting me all the time close to me all the time i wouldn't be able to do this without her

01:32:06.860 because she helps me navigate uh through this through this world through the business side of it

01:32:11.980 through communication you know she's just she's definitely by my side and i need her and i and

01:32:18.300 i value what she does for me because i allow her to to be strong where she is so i mean like you would

01:32:25.260 believe this but i i uh well you maybe you would you if you heard my story you would know you know i was

01:32:31.020 at a point in my life as a high schooler where i was i was kind of trying to be that playboy and i had

01:32:38.140 the audacity the audacity to you know say to challenge to challenge god in a way to say you

01:32:45.100 know if you don't want me to do this because i was feeling wrong about it then show me who my wife is

01:32:49.420 well he showed me brandy and uh i met her soon after that in high school and it took us seven years

01:32:57.020 from there to kind of get get married but yeah it happened so uh be careful

01:33:01.660 there you go yeah you got to be careful when you're asking for that because she just may show

01:33:09.420 up out of nowhere hey bro she she that's the only that's the only time my mom when i told my mom about

01:33:16.060 it she was like what she said what are you telling me this because the only time i'm not i'm not the

01:33:20.380 mama's boy but when i came and told her that she was like what she remembered it she remembered it

01:33:26.540 probably better than i did at the time she was she she's the one that told my wife about it i didn't 1.00

01:33:31.340 even tell her after we got married she was like yeah you know i knew i knew you were gonna get married

01:33:36.780 to him like everybody knew everybody knew around me anyway that's cool though that's good you know

01:33:43.020 that's that's great to hear that you know uh when i see the two of you guys together you can see the

01:33:48.460 you know the chemistry between the two it's really unique when you see it uh final thoughts here for you

01:33:55.100 i know 2020 you've made it very clear you're excited about next year crushing it and competing

01:33:59.660 and uh going for two time and i know you're about to open up a gym you got coming up in 2020 why don't

01:34:04.700 you tell us about that yeah carbon carbon culture is uh a new project we're working on it's uh a

01:34:10.140 bodybuilders gym uh true athletes gym strength gym uh you know you have the motto of you know

01:34:15.980 you know we just come here to try to get our fitness on now we come here to get results we come

01:34:20.700 here to work hard so you have you know you have trainers on site uh there to work with you whether

01:34:25.100 your strength with your bodybuilding physique whether you're just the average person uh we'll

01:34:28.860 have a glute section for the ladies that you just want to come in and just trash the glutes and not 1.00

01:34:33.900 have everybody gawking over them we even have a posing room or a progress room as some people call

01:34:38.700 it so you know the trainers can go into success it'll be arsenal outfitted with all the latest arsenal

01:34:44.060 equipment and we just want people to come in and be able to get it done our uh our bar is going to

01:34:50.620 be crazy you'll be able to do your own formulations at the bar but uh we'll talk about that later

01:34:55.900 that's cool yes that's really cool so if you want to experiment with different things we'll have

01:34:59.020 clinical doses of of of different sub supplements and you can be able to mix and mix and match the

01:35:05.580 way you want and the doses that you want so and where's it where's the first one going to the first

01:35:09.580 one is going to be in franklin tennessee okay well we looked to open up one in nashville as well

01:35:13.740 franklin tennessee yeah man i used to date a girl from franklin tennessee in the army when i was in the

01:35:18.620 arm we used to go party in nashville oh i asked you earlier if you partied in the nashville scene

01:35:23.740 you said not really so and i talked about mix factory you said you remember me yeah i had a

01:35:28.060 short stand of partying before it got oh yes in nashville we used to go down there miss mix factory was 0.99

01:35:32.620 one of those places one of those strange places in strange places did you go to any other stranger

01:35:37.660 places like the connections or no was it just the connections i i i don't know if i went to connections

01:35:42.700 when it was connections i used to have that nascar cafe down and they turned into a club i think it

01:35:47.580 been it was two different names there was another place up there called the underground it was some

01:35:51.900 places crazy clubs over there let me tell me i'm from l.a and i've gone to nice clubs but nashville

01:35:56.780 was very weird it's even crazier i think now it's more of a party town now than it was back then i think

01:36:02.460 so the one time they took me to a club uh silverado silverados remember silverado and i was line

01:36:08.300 dancing i'm like a middle eastern from iran i'm doing and they had the hard body contest you know you'd go

01:36:13.740 there at silverado's but it was a different audience than the other places but anyways man hey

01:36:17.820 first of all uh much respect to you for coming out man and sitting here and uh being willing to talk

01:36:24.380 about all these different issues i really enjoyed this conversation felt like a five minute conversation

01:36:28.620 we went through a lot of things and i'm looking forward to you having an incredible year going into

01:36:33.260 2020 and a lot of the projections you made with folks wanting to come compete to make the brand big

01:36:39.980 again and i hope mr olympia brand listen to some of the these ideas and maybe they'll process some

01:36:45.500 of it and come back and say we got to do something with this so you know hopefully you know you know

01:36:49.020 we can always you know change things through communication and so hopefully this creates more

01:36:53.820 communication uh and then working out in a favor for everybody look forward to man my man thanks for

01:36:59.420 coming up brother thank you appreciate you thanks everybody for listening and by the way if you

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Valuetainment - November 18, 2019

Episode 392： 2019 Mr Olympia Brandon Curry Opens Up

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