Valuetainment - September 10, 2021


Ex International Drug Smuggler Opens up - Psychoanalyzing Chet Sandhu


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In this episode I speak to the King of Karachi, Chet Sandhu. Chet talks about his life growing up in the streets of Karachi and how he went on to become a drug smuggler. He talks about how he got into the business and what it took to get him to where he is today.

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00:00:00.000 We were dealing with prostitution, drugs, and extortion.
00:00:04.680 I was so shocked I never had AIDS.
00:00:06.880 They used to come in and they used to abuse us daily. 1.00
00:00:10.320 Spit on us, call us packies, black bastards. 1.00
00:00:14.240 More torment. 1.00
00:00:15.680 More torment.
00:00:17.680 On top of the torment I've already got. 0.52
00:00:20.320 They don't want to kill you.
00:00:22.320 They don't want to kill you.
00:00:25.440 But they can't...
00:00:29.040 Where are they?
00:00:30.480 Where are they?
00:00:31.600 I understand, like, where the rage was born.
00:00:35.360 At the time it was just me and my dad that used to live in the house.
00:00:38.720 I had to clean, cook.
00:00:40.640 My dad used to go out and get drunk.
00:00:42.960 Give me a hiding. 1.00
00:00:44.160 On top of the shit I'm paying. 0.99
00:00:46.000 So what do you think I'm gonna be? 0.99
00:00:48.000 Yeah, I don't have the answer to that.
00:00:49.440 We're all the same.
00:00:50.720 We're all.
00:00:56.120 My guest today, they call him the king of Karachi.
00:00:58.120 His background and what he's done is probably one of the most unique stories you'll hear about.
00:01:03.640 He was an international drug smuggler on how he beat airport security.
00:01:09.160 And it was his way of getting around and maneuvering.
00:01:13.320 And then eventually he decided to change his life.
00:01:15.160 I think it was steroids that he was smuggling on top of other things.
00:01:17.960 He'll tell us the story about it.
00:01:19.560 But with that being said, my guest today, Chet Sandhu.
00:01:21.880 Chet, thank you so much for being a guest on Valuetainment.
00:01:24.360 Okay, thank you.
00:01:26.840 Thank you, guys.
00:01:27.560 Thank you for having me on.
00:01:29.320 And, right, my story.
00:01:33.320 How do you want me to start this off?
00:01:34.920 I saw the whole thing.
00:01:39.960 I mean, it's fascinating some of the stuff and how you got away with it to now you run a CBD business.
00:01:46.920 But I want to go all the way back.
00:01:48.120 Let's go all the way back to if you and I were friends, you know, your upbringing as a kid all the way to high school, kind of walk me through who you were prior to you getting into the business that you got into.
00:02:00.920 Right, okay.
00:02:02.920 You're asking a lot of questions here.
00:02:04.840 You're going to break my bones here, brother.
00:02:08.680 But anyway, let's go, let's go.
00:02:11.240 Right.
00:02:12.200 My lifestyle, my family life was a bit harsh, yeah?
00:02:17.240 A bit harsh.
00:02:18.180 I was a Sikh Indian boy, born in England.
00:02:24.040 Racism was like a big thing down then, you know? 0.99
00:02:27.800 It was like a heavy foot and shit going down. 0.99
00:02:29.780 And I had to do what we had to do. 0.99
00:02:36.220 It was all hard work.
00:02:37.800 My school was all hard work.
00:02:41.320 There was no money involved.
00:02:43.640 Second-hand clothes I used to wear.
00:02:45.940 Stutter I had.
00:02:47.540 Stutter I still have.
00:02:49.840 And, but I just had to work through all that, you know?
00:02:53.300 And then my dad, he was strict Sikh.
00:02:56.740 He was a Sikh and he's strict, okay? 1.00
00:02:58.900 So, I wasn't allowed out.
00:03:01.820 I wasn't allowed out.
00:03:03.360 He kept me in the family business.
00:03:06.220 You're not allowed to do this.
00:03:07.660 You go to school and you come home straight away.
00:03:10.740 And you work in the shop until 10 p.m.
00:03:16.380 every night.
00:03:17.940 And that's after school, yeah?
00:03:20.700 This was my life, okay?
00:03:23.160 And then we moved up to here, Washington, in Newcastle.
00:03:29.960 Northeast of England. 0.99
00:03:31.120 And I was put through the same shit again, you know? 0.99
00:03:37.380 Stuck behind the till. 0.99
00:03:39.440 But the guys that were coming into the shop, the shop we had was like a bigger shop.
00:03:44.960 And this is 1984.
00:03:48.420 1984.
00:03:49.620 And they had never seen an Asian face, brown face in their lives.
00:03:56.640 And the abuse we took was immense, right?
00:04:00.440 It was immense, right?
00:04:02.260 Daily, daily.
00:04:03.380 I used to, like, wake up in the morning and just think, I want to kill myself, right?
00:04:08.880 But anyway, I didn't do that because I knew we had a shop and run.
00:04:13.380 My mother was not there.
00:04:15.600 She was in Huddersfield with my sister.
00:04:19.020 My old man.
00:04:19.880 Took its toll on him, you know?
00:04:24.740 Took its toll.
00:04:26.760 He couldn't really handle it.
00:04:29.760 But we took this abuse for years, yeah?
00:04:32.540 From 15 to me being about 21.
00:04:38.080 Six years.
00:04:39.340 Six years of abuse, yeah?
00:04:42.180 And then after that, I said, okay, now I'm going to go to work.
00:04:47.900 So that's when I started to fight.
00:04:49.880 I started to train.
00:04:51.800 And I wasn't like, that wasn't my mindset in the beginning, you know?
00:04:57.940 My mindset was to be an artist, you know?
00:05:02.220 I paint.
00:05:04.380 I paint.
00:05:05.500 I draw.
00:05:07.080 I'm an author.
00:05:08.960 I'm not, you know, I'm not a gangster, you know?
00:05:12.400 But this is what, like, I was forced into in a way, you know?
00:05:18.080 Forced into this, yeah?
00:05:19.240 Because I had no other option.
00:05:21.960 Because the family was taking that much abuse, I had to make some moves.
00:05:27.560 Had to make some moves.
00:05:29.600 So I went, okay.
00:05:30.500 So I started to train.
00:05:31.560 I started to fight.
00:05:32.340 I started to box.
00:05:33.040 And then I started to take, okay, shoplifters.
00:05:44.000 Come in the shop, yeah?
00:05:45.340 Okay?
00:05:45.620 Before, if I was younger, I know they've stolen, but I know they're, like, harder than me, tougher than me, and there's a few of them.
00:05:57.060 So I won't say nothing, you know?
00:06:00.080 You know?
00:06:00.640 But that made me feel bad, yeah?
00:06:03.080 One used to walk out of my shop with my products, and I don't say nothing.
00:06:08.300 So that's what made me do it.
00:06:11.160 So after that, I took them all out.
00:06:14.520 I took them all out.
00:06:16.300 I followed them. 0.74
00:06:17.540 I tracked them all down, and I smashed everyone up.
00:06:20.500 But that took me a few years.
00:06:21.940 And then after that, I turned to security work, security work, dormant, and I was working there.
00:06:38.820 And then there was a demand for steroids.
00:06:47.760 So I went, okay, I'll source this.
00:06:50.000 I can source this.
00:06:51.940 And so I sourced a bit, blah, blah, blah.
00:06:55.820 Demand was massive.
00:06:57.480 Demand was massive.
00:06:58.560 This is the early 90s.
00:07:02.480 Early 90s, demand was huge.
00:07:05.580 So I put my brain together.
00:07:07.320 I went to the cheapest place to go in the world, Karachi.
00:07:12.540 Nobody wants to work with that country, you know?
00:07:16.020 Taliban, Al-Qaeda, active.
00:07:18.920 Yeah, nobody wants to go there.
00:07:21.940 But everything in that country is so cheap.
00:07:25.040 It's so cheap.
00:07:26.080 So this is where I said, this is where I'm going.
00:07:29.340 I priced goods, yeah?
00:07:31.400 The steroids I was bringing over, Valium tablets I was bringing over.
00:07:37.840 I priced them all over the country, all over the world, Pakistan, Karachi, cheapest place. 0.72
00:07:47.080 Anyway, I went there.
00:07:48.000 And it took me a while.
00:07:51.820 It took me a while.
00:07:52.760 You had to source the main time, guys.
00:07:57.400 We went to small-time people first.
00:08:01.960 And they were going, listen, we can't supply the amount you want.
00:08:06.560 Because I wanted 50,000 ampoules.
00:08:10.820 50,000 ampoules, yeah?
00:08:12.840 On my first visit.
00:08:15.140 They were costing me then 30 pence.
00:08:21.660 30 pence.
00:08:23.200 Street value in England, £3.50.
00:08:27.100 But in bulk, on 1,000, I sold for £1.40.
00:08:35.900 So the level was massive.
00:08:38.900 But then I moved on to the pills.
00:08:42.140 The pills I was doing.
00:08:44.300 The markup on that was huge.
00:08:45.980 For 1,000 tablets, I was paying £9, which was probably about $5 on your part.
00:08:59.160 And I was getting street value here, £1,000.
00:09:04.380 £1,000 on the street.
00:09:06.860 200 times more than what you were spending.
00:09:09.140 Yeah, brother.
00:09:10.780 And this is what I was doing.
00:09:12.720 People don't realize this yet.
00:09:14.320 There's like, it's not all about the heroin.
00:09:17.580 It's not all about the coke, yeah?
00:09:20.280 There's a lot of other things involved in this, yeah?
00:09:23.000 But my mistake was this.
00:09:25.060 I was bringing them back through to England. 0.95
00:09:28.760 The chief narcotics officer, the chief of police in Karachi, paid off.
00:09:37.200 Paid off.
00:09:38.340 They told me they knew about my trips.
00:09:41.560 They said, you just pay me £100 of suitcase, and we will pass every case through the airport.
00:09:50.700 He said, I don't care what's in it.
00:09:53.220 It don't matter.
00:09:54.580 But I will pass that through BAM.
00:09:57.260 When I used to land at the airport, VIP, I never stood anywhere.
00:10:05.700 The chief narcotics officer used to walk me through, bypass every x-ray machine, every security, everything, boom.
00:10:15.760 And all he wanted was a £100 of suitcase.
00:10:19.760 But there was about five cases, yeah?
00:10:23.680 Five cases.
00:10:25.060 We were doing about a quarter of a million tablets at a time.
00:10:33.820 250,000 tablets at a time.
00:10:36.060 Quarter of a million at a time, yeah.
00:10:38.120 Quarter of a million.
00:10:38.920 But they're costing me hardly nothing, but I was selling them for a high amount.
00:10:47.760 Yeah.
00:10:48.920 So was it pretty easy for you to buy guys out at the airport at Karachi?
00:10:54.840 Yeah, easy, easy, easy, easy.
00:10:58.460 Dollar.
00:10:59.560 All you've got to show is the money and their work.
00:11:02.320 Because the guys at the airport there, they only make, at the time, the top guys there, they're only making about £300 to £400 a month.
00:11:16.600 So if you're taking bribes, you know, you're going to, you know, it's going to work.
00:11:24.260 It's going to work.
00:11:25.260 So did they want money from you?
00:11:27.340 Did they want your product from you?
00:11:29.100 I know one story is you gave them money.
00:11:30.820 They want money from me, yeah.
00:11:31.760 They want money from you.
00:11:33.400 Who were the guys at the airport that wanted porn magazine from you?
00:11:36.720 Like they wanted, you know, the magazine.
00:11:38.520 Guys, these are the guys, these are the guys who you meet initially.
00:11:43.340 You know when you go initially, yeah?
00:11:45.180 And they go, okay, open up your bags, yeah?
00:11:49.620 Open up your bags.
00:11:50.720 I went, right, okay.
00:11:52.080 Open up my bags, yeah?
00:11:54.200 Full of gear.
00:11:55.800 It was a bit embarrassing, right?
00:11:57.660 Okay?
00:11:57.980 But there were some porn mags we had there, right?
00:12:02.100 Okay?
00:12:03.020 And one of the guys goes, wow.
00:12:08.180 And then he had a look at it.
00:12:11.500 He went, I've never seen a naked white woman in my life. 1.00
00:12:15.120 I went, really? 0.53
00:12:16.580 I went, okay, they're mugs.
00:12:21.940 Three there, yeah?
00:12:23.300 Are you going to pass us?
00:12:24.920 He goes, okay.
00:12:27.040 So they passed us, right?
00:12:30.060 Three more mags we had, right?
00:12:32.560 We took six, yeah?
00:12:33.920 There was three guys in a trip, two mags.
00:12:38.280 We bought each because we know Karachi, it's one of them areas, you know?
00:12:44.720 It's not easy to get your Lego, you know?
00:12:46.840 So we went, right, well, let's go.
00:12:51.040 And then next desk, x-ray, bam, x-rayed.
00:12:55.740 Porn mags again, bam, paid them off again.
00:12:59.140 The first trip paid off porn mags.
00:13:02.060 But the second time around, they knew who we were and then they started asking for money.
00:13:09.180 So the second time around, we had to pay them.
00:13:12.920 And then the third time around, the chief narcotics officer, Karachi Airport, came to me and said,
00:13:21.260 listen, you don't have to pay anybody.
00:13:23.380 You just pay me one time, one time.
00:13:26.500 I bypass everything for you.
00:13:28.720 I go, okay.
00:13:30.380 And that's how we worked it.
00:13:32.060 How long did that operation last?
00:13:34.800 That lasted for over a year.
00:13:37.400 And what was your peak?
00:13:38.940 What kind of money were you making per month?
00:13:41.100 Right, brother, making, I was making on a trip, yeah?
00:13:46.400 60,000 pounds on a trip.
00:13:48.420 And how many trips were you taking every month?
00:13:50.740 Right, I can't even, right, I can't tell you the exact number, okay?
00:13:55.900 Right?
00:13:58.200 But it happened six weeks or something, yeah?
00:14:01.560 They knew I was coming.
00:14:04.700 Boom.
00:14:05.360 It was a regular occurrences, yeah.
00:14:08.200 There was a lot of money rolling for everybody here.
00:14:12.040 Everybody.
00:14:14.360 And trips I'd done, but Interpol were on my case.
00:14:20.020 Out of everything you sold, Valium, you know, steroids, what was the most profitable for you?
00:14:28.740 Valium.
00:14:30.900 Valium.
00:14:31.700 Most profitable because it was easy with the tablets.
00:14:33.920 Diazepam, right.
00:14:36.160 How we did this here, we packed this in tubs of vitamin B12.
00:14:47.840 Repacked them.
00:14:48.720 I lost a load in Newcastle Airport in England, so I had to divert my operation.
00:15:00.060 So I thought, right, okay, we get flights to Spain, Barcelona, Barcelona to Karachi, Karachi to Alicante, Alicante to England.
00:15:13.060 But what happened, Interpol following all my tracks, and I got arrested at Alicante Airport.
00:15:21.920 And then how long, what happened there?
00:15:23.580 Did you go do time?
00:15:25.820 Time, yeah.
00:15:26.920 Time, yeah.
00:15:27.780 They gave me a hard time, you know.
00:15:31.400 Took everything off me, you know.
00:15:32.760 Took everything off me, took everything off me, mules I had with me as well, yeah, okay.
00:15:46.040 Mules I was using and to carry cases.
00:15:50.700 They tried to get them to give evidence against me, to get evidence against me, and they did.
00:15:57.080 And they did at the beginning.
00:15:58.720 But the thing was this, yeah, in Spain, it don't work like that, yeah.
00:16:01.700 If you give evidence against somebody, you still get the same sentence.
00:16:08.660 You don't get no walk-by, no.
00:16:10.860 There ain't no walk-bys in Spain.
00:16:13.860 No welfare system, no walk-by, no nothing.
00:16:17.300 You can speak, but you expect what you're going to get.
00:16:23.960 So in Spain, how much time did you, is that when you did six and a half years for prostitution and other things?
00:16:28.880 No, no, no, no, no.
00:16:30.320 So in Spain, I got, right, okay, 10 years.
00:16:38.160 That's what they said to me first.
00:16:40.680 And I went, no, I went, no, I ain't taking 10 years.
00:16:43.140 Because what they did was this, yeah.
00:16:49.240 Dietzipan contains 10 milligram of a drug, okay?
00:16:54.600 Class A drug.
00:16:56.140 I had a quarter of a million tablets of that.
00:17:00.700 So they said you have 2.5 kilo of class A drug.
00:17:05.220 I didn't know this.
00:17:08.380 Valium in England, class C, you know?
00:17:12.020 But in Spain, it's only class A, class B.
00:17:16.260 In Spain, it works like this.
00:17:18.160 Marijuana, cannabis, class B.
00:17:21.940 Everything else, class A.
00:17:23.760 So I had, so then I had this headache.
00:17:28.480 Yeah, they go, right, you're going to get this.
00:17:30.940 And it was only until I could speak Spanish in jail,
00:17:35.240 until I could learn Spanish, I spoke to the head guys there.
00:17:39.380 Cate, I was stuck in.
00:17:41.360 40 heads there.
00:17:42.700 A third of them had AIDS. 0.99
00:17:45.040 Or killers. 0.95
00:17:46.040 A third of them had AIDS. 0.56
00:17:49.160 AIDS.
00:17:49.940 A third of them.
00:17:51.240 A third of them.
00:17:52.900 AIDS.
00:17:53.600 A third of the jail has AIDS.
00:17:57.660 Because, right, Spain works like this.
00:18:04.680 Sentencing, yeah?
00:18:05.480 If you do a burglary, okay?
00:18:08.260 In England, I don't know about America, but in England,
00:18:13.080 burglary, if you do 10 burglaries, yeah?
00:18:17.040 You get one year, two year, one year, two year, one year.
00:18:20.960 It runs consec.
00:18:24.460 In Spain, concurrent.
00:18:27.040 So they add them all up.
00:18:28.860 So you can just rob a few houses,
00:18:31.640 and you end up with 20 years on your head.
00:18:36.300 20 years on your head.
00:18:38.040 And when you go jail, no welfare system,
00:18:40.900 you don't get no money sent in,
00:18:42.240 they share needles, sharing needles, you know?
00:18:49.060 And they're all just, they're all good AIDS, baby. 0.91
00:18:53.600 One more is the same.
00:18:54.620 One more stage, wow.
00:18:56.000 So you go there, you learn Spanish,
00:18:57.900 you talk to the big guys, then what happens?
00:19:00.240 Right.
00:19:00.680 I'm talking big guys.
00:19:03.560 Big guys, Peru, Venezuela,
00:19:07.900 Sao Paulo, they were in there for 160 key of cocaine,
00:19:18.860 blah, blah, blah.
00:19:20.140 From there to Spain, I spoke Spanish,
00:19:23.120 and they hooked me up with a bent lawyer.
00:19:25.980 A bent lawyer that knows judges.
00:19:29.560 They went, you have to pay.
00:19:30.960 I'm like, listen, you pay them, you pay this,
00:19:34.560 and they hooked me up with a lawyer. 1.00
00:19:36.720 My first lawyer was shit. 1.00
00:19:38.920 He was shit, yeah? 1.00
00:19:40.260 Promised me this, promised me that. 1.00
00:19:42.740 I didn't get anything, yeah?
00:19:44.380 So then these guys said, listen,
00:19:46.720 you're wasting your time with this guy, yeah?
00:19:51.280 Deal with our man.
00:19:52.200 He was called Arman, I forget his second name.
00:19:59.500 I don't even want to mention it, but anyway,
00:20:02.540 he sorted it all out.
00:20:05.320 Judges, he knew, and he said,
00:20:08.720 my charges are this amount.
00:20:10.820 I need 10 grand to pay off the judge,
00:20:15.080 and you will get half the amount.
00:20:17.680 You're looking at nine if you go guilty on this.
00:20:22.700 I'm like, right, okay.
00:20:23.960 So if I pay 10, four and a half,
00:20:27.060 I'm like, right, and that's where I've got.
00:20:31.240 So did that influence you to get out,
00:20:35.680 or you're still, maybe you learned some of your habits,
00:20:37.680 you got out, and you got back into the life again?
00:20:41.480 Right, because then I thought I was invincible, right?
00:20:44.920 Because there, in Spain, I didn't know the language,
00:20:51.520 I didn't know anything, but I fought everybody.
00:20:54.760 I fought everybody, even people with AIDS.
00:20:58.440 My hands full of cups from fights with people from AIDS.
00:21:04.680 When I left jail, I thought I had AIDS, you know?
00:21:08.620 Two tests I had,
00:21:12.200 just to prove I didn't have AIDS,
00:21:15.220 and then I was so shocked I never had AIDS,
00:21:18.980 because I'm hurting them, they're hurting me,
00:21:21.760 their blood's on me, mine's on them, blah, blah, blah.
00:21:26.000 Okay, I thought I had AIDS, yeah, but no,
00:21:27.900 but no, I'm clean.
00:21:28.880 So then I thought I was king for Hong Kong,
00:21:34.620 and I joined a firm in Kitset,
00:21:39.620 and we were controlling prostitution and enforcing areas.
00:21:46.020 14 areas.
00:21:47.940 Enforcing, enforce.
00:21:49.700 Enforcing, and that's in Spain?
00:21:52.020 No, England.
00:21:53.300 England.
00:21:53.660 England, because I wasn't allowed the conditions of my sentence
00:22:01.440 from Spain, four and a half years,
00:22:04.820 I'm not allowed to enter Spain for 10 years.
00:22:09.960 Got it.
00:22:10.580 10 years, yes.
00:22:11.660 So I went, okay, so I came to England,
00:22:14.760 and I hooked up with a firm there,
00:22:17.260 and we were dealing with prostitution, drugs, and extortion.
00:22:23.560 You say firm as if it's like a, you know, major company.
00:22:26.920 Well, it's a gang, yeah.
00:22:28.700 Okay, got it.
00:22:29.360 With the gang over there, okay.
00:22:30.760 And how profitable was that?
00:22:32.200 How good were you doing with that?
00:22:33.920 Profitable?
00:22:34.560 No, very well, yeah.
00:22:35.960 It was only my personal sales and my drugs
00:22:38.060 that got me my money.
00:22:41.200 As for working for the gang, nothing.
00:22:43.500 No, no, not really.
00:22:45.020 But it was enjoyable at times.
00:22:49.400 Kidnapping people, taking people away.
00:22:52.340 It was all, it's all, I don't know, yeah.
00:22:56.040 At that period in my life, I was just like high every day.
00:23:00.740 There was 21 police officers watching me alone.
00:23:06.760 Halogen 5, the operation, was called.
00:23:09.560 It cost them 5.5 million to bring us to court.
00:23:15.020 We were notorious.
00:23:20.280 There was nobody in the north of England who could handle us
00:23:25.100 because we did what we wanted.
00:23:28.400 I could speed, drive drunk, drive this, drive that,
00:23:32.600 and the police was told, do not stop him.
00:23:36.260 He's not allowed to be stopped.
00:23:38.760 Who told the police that?
00:23:39.980 Well, that's the crime team north.
00:23:45.440 Crime team north, because they had a big operation down there. 0.94
00:23:51.320 So they just said, let him do what you want, hang himself more.
00:23:57.760 And that's what happened.
00:23:59.180 You were free.
00:23:59.760 But I was free for about a year.
00:24:04.860 For about a year.
00:24:06.340 And then I got it.
00:24:08.300 Right.
00:24:08.700 How did they get me?
00:24:10.240 Followed me because I was high.
00:24:12.020 And I had a quarter of a kilo cocaine in my glove compartment.
00:24:21.060 The police tested it, and it came back 84% proof.
00:24:26.440 They said they have never seen cocaine that high proof in England
00:24:30.140 because we were getting it straight from Venezuela to the coast.
00:24:35.980 I can't mention who and where, yeah, but I got caught with that.
00:24:40.180 And jail I got on that, and then it all came on top on the prostitution. 0.98
00:24:48.140 But the prostitution was all good.
00:24:51.820 The girls came to court, and they said, these guys are looking after us, you know?
00:24:59.360 And without them, we don't have nobody now, you know? 0.95
00:25:06.700 People are free to just come and rape them, tax them, do what they want.
00:25:11.560 What we did, I'll tell you now, yeah, we just charged them £60 a day. 0.64
00:25:17.540 £60 a day, we paid for the rent of the accommodation, the apartment,
00:25:23.780 full security, all the heating, everything, two girls in each flat. 0.99
00:25:28.320 If any girl, any drama, any problem, there was a team of us, the foreigners,
00:25:35.760 we were there straight away, and we dragged them out, and we didn't match them.
00:25:40.880 And it never happens again.
00:25:44.160 So they felt safe.
00:25:45.180 You can't rape our girls, you know? 1.00
00:25:46.880 You can't rape our girls, you can't harm them, yeah. 0.99
00:25:50.680 Wow.
00:25:51.540 So eventually, when did you decide to change your life?
00:25:55.020 At what point did you say, I'm not going to live this life anymore?
00:25:57.120 Right, that was when my second sentence happened, okay? 1.00
00:26:04.760 They caught up with me and all this bullshit. 0.97
00:26:08.480 In jail, six and a half years I was looking at them, yeah? 0.99
00:26:12.800 Okay, that's what I got.
00:26:14.880 And after, I'll tell you the truth, two months of that, I thought, right, that's me done.
00:26:24.920 That's me done.
00:26:26.380 So I did every course in jail, every course possible, tried to be a good boy, tried to be.
00:26:34.740 Sometimes you can't, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you can't inside.
00:26:40.680 But I was the only cat D prisoner in my jail where you can leave, that's your end of your sentence, 1.00
00:26:51.420 and you can, like, stay out for two to three hours, blah, blah, blah, to mingle you back into society.
00:26:58.320 I was the only one, not allowed, not, not allowed, because it said I was a danger.
00:27:07.060 You were danger.
00:27:08.740 So, so, Chet.
00:27:10.800 I'm not a danger, I'm all right.
00:27:13.900 Chet, when is the last time you got arrested or you got in trouble?
00:27:18.740 Okay, it was over, it was over an event, my cousin, my cousin, I got arrested, community service I got on that,
00:27:33.720 because you owed me a hundred grand.
00:27:37.560 I ain't going to mention the names, yeah, but I pulled in a million pounds for them in debts.
00:27:40.840 I pulled in over a million pounds, going all over the country, staying in hotels, paying night costs.
00:27:49.580 I pulled in a million pounds, and I gave it to him, and he didn't pay me, because I was pissed one night, 0.99
00:27:59.120 and I told him I fucked his wife. 1.00
00:28:03.260 Right. 1.00
00:28:04.360 I never fucked his wife, right? 1.00
00:28:07.100 You know, you didn't. 1.00
00:28:07.780 This happens, bro, bro, this happens, yeah?
00:28:10.320 This is why I didn't get paid my hundred grand.
00:28:12.220 This is why I get paid, yeah? 0.99
00:28:14.300 So this is why I went around with fucking shop, and I went, listen, where's my fucking dollar, baby? 0.99
00:28:19.780 Yeah? 0.99
00:28:20.240 And he's going, his wife was there. 0.91
00:28:23.260 She abused me. 0.99
00:28:24.300 I said, listen, I ain't here to talk to you.
00:28:27.000 I don't want to talk to your husband, yeah?
00:28:28.860 I need to talk to the man here.
00:28:30.660 Anyway, she called the feds, got me arrested.
00:28:34.360 That was a...
00:28:37.740 How long ago was that?
00:28:42.000 Two years.
00:28:43.120 Two years ago.
00:28:44.220 So, let me ask you, Chad.
00:28:48.200 Indians aren't typically known as being gangsters, tough guy.
00:28:52.360 I mean, of course, Dawood, Ibrahim, I've heard the name before.
00:28:54.940 There's a few names, but the Indian community has been, for the most part, very peaceful.
00:29:00.460 Not heard of, not heard of, no.
00:29:03.600 We're not that type of people, no.
00:29:06.340 They're hard workers, they work, you know, they're hard working.
00:29:11.020 This is why Indian people don't have a lot, they don't have no respect for me. 1.00
00:29:18.340 I don't get no calls from any, from any Indian people.
00:29:22.160 Not from India, not from anybody, because they see me as a bit of a down, you know?
00:29:31.940 Shame on them, because they're worse than me, you know? 0.99
00:29:34.780 I've got stories on Indian people, disgusting. 0.99
00:29:38.660 The superstars, Bollywood stars, yeah? 0.98
00:29:41.640 What they do, I know them.
00:29:44.520 The stories I have on them are immense.
00:29:48.260 Immense.
00:29:49.500 Pedophilia. 0.94
00:29:49.900 India, you ain't got luck in here, baby. 1.00
00:29:53.300 They take people out, take them, take them on the boat, in the sea, boom.
00:29:59.660 Fishes.
00:30:00.740 End of story. 1.00
00:30:02.540 It's a fucking ongoing thing there. 0.99
00:30:05.500 Because there's that many children that get abducted in India, 1.00
00:30:09.920 and raped, and fucked around by all these superstars. 1.00
00:30:14.340 I know it all. 1.00
00:30:15.580 So, when I can bring this to light, I will, yeah? 1.00
00:30:21.120 Fuck them. 1.00
00:30:21.960 Fuck India. 1.00
00:30:22.660 India can suck my fucking dick. 1.00
00:30:25.100 How do you know that? 1.00
00:30:26.220 Yeah, it's up to you, yeah? 1.00
00:30:27.580 How do you know that shit? 1.00
00:30:28.740 How do you know that? 1.00
00:30:29.440 Because I know I have proof of the Indian stars there.
00:30:34.000 I've seen life there.
00:30:35.260 I've been there 11 times.
00:30:38.060 I know people there.
00:30:39.260 I know stars there.
00:30:41.460 I know people who have starred in films, Bollywood, film stars.
00:30:46.300 I know what they do.
00:30:47.680 I know what they do.
00:30:50.920 I know what they do, man. 1.00
00:30:53.280 Disgusting. 0.98
00:30:54.540 They all do it everywhere, you know? 0.98
00:30:56.960 This is like, it's not only like here or there.
00:31:00.340 It happens in every country, you know?
00:31:02.660 It happens in every country.
00:31:03.840 You name any country, it happens.
00:31:07.540 It happens. 1.00
00:31:08.280 Because you are people with stupid dollar. 1.00
00:31:11.960 And that's what they want. 1.00
00:31:16.340 It's a shame, but I will name.
00:31:20.800 I will name.
00:31:25.000 You have animosity towards them.
00:31:27.760 Why is that?
00:31:28.380 Because I don't like, because I seem to think, yeah, a Sikh community, yeah? 1.00
00:31:39.720 Punjab, India, this and that, they make out, they're Bollywood, they're billionaires, billionaires,
00:31:46.760 billionaires, yet they see kids on the street and they don't give them a penny, you know?
00:31:51.280 They could do a lot to help, but they don't do nothing.
00:31:54.700 India is all about, like, we are there, you're there. 0.98
00:31:59.280 There's nobody in the middle.
00:32:00.880 There's nobody in the middle in India. 1.00
00:32:03.400 You either got it or you haven't got it.
00:32:07.040 And they're really bad.
00:32:08.740 I go there, I help orphanages.
00:32:12.120 Let me tell you a story about an orphanage I help here, okay?
00:32:15.380 I haven't had the chance to go there for the last three to four years.
00:32:20.980 What happens is this, yeah?
00:32:21.980 If you get, if you get out of a girl, if you have a girl, yeah, she's going to be a hindrance. 1.00
00:32:28.560 She's a hindrance because you have to marry her off dowry. 1.00
00:32:33.480 It's bad.
00:32:34.420 It's hard work.
00:32:35.300 It's hard work.
00:32:36.320 So what they do, there's like a ATM machine.
00:32:40.280 You drop off the baby.
00:32:42.740 You ring this bell.
00:32:43.920 And the woman I know comes, takes the baby. 0.93
00:32:52.160 And she will care for it.
00:32:53.800 And I pay for these people, yeah?
00:32:55.460 Okay?
00:32:56.340 I get money, collect money, donations.
00:33:01.900 And she says, sometimes the mothers come back and say, okay, I made a mistake, you know?
00:33:09.280 I shouldn't have left my baby here.
00:33:11.140 But she goes, no, you can't have the baby back. 0.58
00:33:14.780 Go away.
00:33:16.340 Go away. 0.95
00:33:17.380 But it's all girls. 0.98
00:33:19.500 It's all girls' orphanage. 1.00
00:33:20.580 What do they do with the girls? 1.00
00:33:24.840 They try to take care.
00:33:26.380 We try to get them schooling money, money for clothing, take care of them, make sure no pedophiles go there.
00:33:41.740 It's not easy.
00:33:45.460 It's not easy in India. 0.99
00:33:47.540 India's a horrible place. 1.00
00:33:50.580 India's a horrible place. 1.00
00:33:53.020 It's a horrible place. 1.00
00:33:54.540 People go on about fucking Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan. 1.00
00:34:02.660 India's worse. 1.00
00:34:04.800 India's worse. 1.00
00:34:05.860 India's worse. 1.00
00:34:06.480 Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq. 0.93
00:34:07.480 India's worse. 1.00
00:34:08.640 India is worse. 1.00
00:34:10.080 Karachi, I've been 11 times.
00:34:12.200 It's better than what I've seen in India. 1.00
00:34:16.120 So these celebrities that you talk about, you're saying they're doing worse than what you did.
00:34:20.120 You personally witnessed it or somebody told you of what happened?
00:34:24.960 Right.
00:34:25.720 Not personal witness, but I do know people who have worked in that industry and they have told me themselves.
00:34:34.340 Because I ain't going to get invited there.
00:34:38.400 They ain't going to, you know, I ain't going to get an invite there.
00:34:42.700 They hate me in that industry. 0.98
00:34:44.820 Indians hate me. 1.00
00:34:47.160 They hate me because they know I will speak. 0.97
00:34:50.440 I will speak my mind.
00:34:52.400 I'm not like the rest of them. 0.97
00:34:54.880 Keep their mouth shut.
00:34:56.340 You know?
00:34:57.340 I ain't like, you know, I ain't like that a lot.
00:35:00.100 I will say it.
00:35:01.600 I will say it.
00:35:02.740 And these are famous celebrities, like the bombing celebrities?
00:35:05.880 Yes.
00:35:05.900 Top level.
00:35:06.500 Top level, brother.
00:35:08.100 Top level.
00:35:09.020 All of them.
00:35:12.720 Same as America. 0.72
00:35:13.860 You know what, like, people have been named here.
00:35:17.380 Tom Hanks, blah, blah, blah, so and so.
00:35:20.580 All these.
00:35:21.380 It's the same in India. 0.94
00:35:22.300 It's the same lot.
00:35:23.700 It's the same file.
00:35:25.600 They're all the same.
00:35:27.340 But in India, it's a, it's like tight.
00:35:31.960 You cannot speak in India.
00:35:34.520 You cannot speak.
00:35:36.140 Because that circle's tight.
00:35:38.600 Is there a lot of mobsters and gangsters and, and, uh.
00:35:42.120 No, there's no mobsters and gangsters, yeah.
00:35:44.880 Police.
00:35:46.520 Police.
00:35:47.120 There ain't no mafia or mobsters in India.
00:35:53.480 The police. 0.84
00:35:54.760 If you want somebody killed. 0.99
00:35:58.080 Personal story. 0.98
00:35:59.720 I've got, I wanted somebody done, yeah.
00:36:03.940 Okay. 0.99
00:36:04.620 I had to go to the police to get them killed. 0.99
00:36:10.860 And they do it. 0.99
00:36:13.520 You, you pay them.
00:36:15.320 And it's all safe and sound.
00:36:19.460 Chet, question for you.
00:36:21.280 Cool.
00:36:22.340 How old are you?
00:36:23.200 I'm trying to do the math.
00:36:24.120 1984 for.
00:36:25.280 53.
00:36:26.140 53 years old.
00:36:27.160 What, what month are you born?
00:36:28.380 What month?
00:36:28.980 What, what?
00:36:29.900 31st of August, 1968.
00:36:31.780 Say that again?
00:36:33.580 31st of August, 1968.
00:36:35.960 Well, happy birthday to you.
00:36:36.920 You had a birthday last week.
00:36:37.960 Happy birthday.
00:36:38.220 Yeah, yeah.
00:36:39.200 Thanks, brother.
00:36:40.040 So, so, question for you.
00:36:42.380 I'm watching you.
00:36:45.140 I'm, I'm listening to you.
00:36:46.480 I see your energy.
00:36:48.240 Um, but at the same time, you didn't start fighting until you were 21.
00:36:54.160 Yeah.
00:36:54.660 Up until 21, you were a regular kid like the rest of us.
00:36:58.800 Uh, your dad worked you very hard.
00:37:02.380 You'd come back home from school.
00:37:03.820 You'd work till 10 o'clock at night.
00:37:05.740 Yeah.
00:37:05.880 Your dad was a strict Sikh.
00:37:08.020 Yeah.
00:37:08.160 He was.
00:37:09.340 Uh-huh.
00:37:10.040 Went with your dad and you worked your mom to care of your sister. 0.80
00:37:14.000 When, what, what one or two events caused this animosity in you to want to take a different
00:37:21.240 direction in life?
00:37:22.080 Like, if you were, like, for example.
00:37:24.820 Okay.
00:37:25.540 Okay.
00:37:26.060 Yes.
00:37:27.420 Good question.
00:37:29.120 We were getting that much abuse of the white guys, yeah?
00:37:33.380 There was like, uh, three or four of them, right?
00:37:35.920 Okay.
00:37:36.960 They used to come in and they used to abuse us daily.
00:37:40.740 Spit on us. 0.51
00:37:41.940 Call us packies. 1.00
00:37:43.460 Black bastards. 1.00
00:37:44.680 Fucking cunts. 1.00
00:37:46.180 Smashed the windows of our car. 1.00
00:37:47.900 Smashed the windows of our shop.
00:37:49.240 Uh, violence daily basis.
00:37:52.780 Tried to burn, tried to burn my house down.
00:37:56.400 Family's house down.
00:37:57.880 Yeah.
00:37:58.480 So then I thought, right, okay.
00:38:00.620 Then, uh, then I couldn't even have a fight, but I was 18 years old and I had a van. 0.99
00:38:07.880 I used to drive the van hoping I would see them on the road and I would take them fucking 0.98
00:38:13.180 clean out. 0.99
00:38:14.180 I would run them clean over, baby.
00:38:16.060 I would take them clean out on the road.
00:38:17.400 This was a mood I was in.
00:38:20.420 So now, so now do you get it?
00:38:23.060 The hatred I had. 1.00
00:38:24.300 I'm going to kill them. 1.00
00:38:25.700 And now I can't find them. 1.00
00:38:27.920 I can't find them because one's in the mental hospital.
00:38:32.000 Jail. 1.00
00:38:32.840 The other one and the other one fucked off to Amsterdam. 1.00
00:38:36.440 They're terrified of me because I'm going to fucking hang them upside down when I see them. 1.00
00:38:40.440 But they can't, but they, where are they? 0.99
00:38:47.000 Where are they?
00:38:49.560 18 years old.
00:38:51.500 I was 18, yeah.
00:38:53.160 Were you, were you at that time doing any drugs or not at 18?
00:38:56.280 Zero, baby.
00:38:57.320 I was stuck in the shop.
00:38:58.640 The first time I kissed a girl, 21 years old.
00:39:02.600 I was, I wasn't allowed out of the house.
00:39:05.300 My dad was that strict.
00:39:06.620 And the first girl I kissed, I married.
00:39:09.560 Get out of here.
00:39:11.360 Tell you the truth, brother.
00:39:12.920 Wow.
00:39:14.240 21 years old.
00:39:16.760 My life was hard work.
00:39:18.640 Yeah.
00:39:18.780 Listen, it was hard work.
00:39:19.980 Yeah.
00:39:20.620 Childhood, hard work as well.
00:39:22.740 Stutter I had.
00:39:24.480 Oh, you know, I wasn't intelligent.
00:39:26.640 Just hard, hard, hard.
00:39:30.220 And then I just thought when these, when these lot were coming in, more torment, more torment.
00:39:39.000 On top of the torment I've already got. 1.00
00:39:42.000 Then I'm going to kill you. 1.00
00:39:43.900 Then I'm going to kill you. 1.00
00:39:47.460 So, there, there, so, so if I was friends with you at 10 years old, you're my cousin, 12 years old. 0.99
00:39:53.120 I wouldn't have witnessed the anger side in you.
00:39:55.900 No.
00:39:57.000 No.
00:39:58.160 So, what, was it the fact that they spit on you or disrespected you?
00:40:01.500 Or was it the fact that they were disrespecting you?
00:40:03.120 My mother, my mother, they disrespected my mother. 0.80
00:40:06.960 They did, they disrespected my mom.
00:40:13.180 She could speak English, yeah?
00:40:16.920 Stutter I had.
00:40:18.680 People used to come with the tail going, oh, who's that?
00:40:23.540 I've never seen that before.
00:40:25.060 And then somebody in the queue of the shop would say, oh, it's a packie.
00:40:29.780 And they are.
00:40:31.600 And then the whole queue in the tail of the shop would laugh.
00:40:38.260 So, I would be a laughing stock.
00:40:40.940 Laughing stock.
00:40:41.900 I ain't no laughing stock now, baby.
00:40:47.560 Because I took them all out.
00:40:49.280 I carried them all out.
00:40:51.180 I've took them all away. 0.99
00:40:52.580 And the ones I want, I'll fucking run off. 0.96
00:41:01.060 That's why it's took. 0.98
00:41:02.580 It's not being easy. 1.00
00:41:03.500 It's being bullshit. 1.00
00:41:03.940 It's being bullshit. 1.00
00:41:04.800 No, I get that. 0.99
00:41:08.520 I understand, like, you know, where the rage was born.
00:41:16.960 Yeah, there, there, there.
00:41:19.160 When I was 18, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, that was my years. 1.00
00:41:26.780 They were my years of just taking shit, taking shit, taking shit, taking shit. 1.00
00:41:31.320 Was it gradual? 1.00
00:41:32.460 Was it, was it overnight?
00:41:33.580 Or was it gradual, developed?
00:41:35.200 Gradual every day, brother.
00:41:36.820 Every day.
00:41:37.920 I didn't want to wake up in the morning.
00:41:40.580 I had to work in a shop from 8 a.m.
00:41:43.540 till 8 on a night, seven days a week.
00:41:47.400 I had no life.
00:41:48.580 I had nothing.
00:41:51.800 My old man, even.
00:41:55.300 Right.
00:41:56.860 He couldn't handle it, right?
00:41:58.240 Okay.
00:41:59.160 He was on the, you know, he used to have a drink.
00:42:01.220 Isn't that right?
00:42:01.780 Okay.
00:42:03.200 At the time, it was just me and my dad that used to live in the house.
00:42:08.240 I, I had to clean, cook, wash, make the food.
00:42:15.500 My dad used to go out, get drunk, come back, give me a hiding as well.
00:42:21.060 Yeah. 0.99
00:42:22.200 Give me a hiding on top of the shit I'm taking. 0.98
00:42:24.920 So, what do you think I'm going to be? 0.99
00:42:31.540 I don't know.
00:42:32.320 Is your, is your mom and dad still around?
00:42:41.040 Yeah.
00:42:42.120 Any siblings?
00:42:43.460 Any siblings?
00:42:45.800 Yes.
00:42:46.720 Brother.
00:42:47.460 Not your sister.
00:42:48.420 I know your sister's with your mom.
00:42:50.020 Any other brothers or no?
00:42:52.340 Brother, I have a brother, yeah.
00:42:53.980 Was he there with you when you guys were running the store?
00:42:56.380 Nobody, nobody, right? 0.98
00:42:58.140 My brother is gay, right? 0.99
00:43:01.180 He's gay. 1.00
00:43:01.980 He fucked off being a sick boy, being gay. 1.00
00:43:06.380 And then, back then in the 80s, unheard of, unheard of. 1.00
00:43:13.180 The torment, I got, even of that alone, so he went to Manchester University because he
00:43:24.800 knew he had to go there, yeah? 0.77
00:43:27.340 Because it was obvious he was gay. 1.00
00:43:29.720 My family couldn't really handle it, and, but I took all that shit as well, you know? 1.00
00:43:38.620 My dad took all that on me, saying, my other son's gay, so when you had a fucking drink, 1.00
00:43:46.180 I'd get it. 1.00
00:43:49.560 Did you ever get into a fight with your dad?
00:43:51.200 Like, did you ever react or no?
00:43:52.600 Yes, I did. 0.99
00:43:53.300 I fucked him up once, yeah. 0.99
00:43:54.880 He never hit me again. 1.00
00:43:56.080 I fucked him up. 1.00
00:43:56.860 Yeah, I fucked him up. 0.99
00:44:02.180 How old were you when that happened? 0.99
00:44:06.840 19.
00:44:08.220 Are you, you still talk to your mom and your dad?
00:44:10.880 Yeah, sure.
00:44:12.280 How is the relationship now? 1.00
00:44:14.440 It's okay, but my dad knows he was a motherfucker, you know? 0.99
00:44:19.500 But my mom, excellent, you know? 1.00
00:44:21.820 My mom, back me up.
00:44:23.220 My old man, my old man, you know, you know what it is.
00:44:31.040 Your old man's your old man, you know?
00:44:33.720 Your old man's your old man. 0.79
00:44:35.260 I don't know.
00:44:37.100 What have you did to me?
00:44:38.740 Whatever, but I ain't happy about it, you know?
00:44:42.080 I don't do that.
00:44:43.060 My son, but he did that to me, but I think he had a lot in his head as well, yeah? 0.98
00:44:48.320 And through all the shit that was going down, I think he took it all out of me, and that's 0.98
00:44:55.980 what made me, that's what made me who I am now. 0.98
00:44:59.700 How do you manage your rage and anger right now?
00:45:02.940 Easily.
00:45:04.880 Well, not easily, sorry.
00:45:08.520 Some ways I can just go up and down instantly, instantly.
00:45:12.380 I can, like, be happy, and then I can just go mental easily.
00:45:25.580 You know, I think about when I interviewed Sammy Gravano, or I interviewed Frank Collada,
00:45:30.460 or I interviewed some of these guys, I always ask the question, was there ever a point where
00:45:35.800 you could have gone straight, where you wouldn't have the rage that you have?
00:45:39.000 You know, was there ever a moment?
00:45:41.300 But you can't describe what it is for a boy or a kid to grow up in an environment like
00:45:47.180 that, the effects of it, you know?
00:45:49.000 Well, no.
00:45:49.860 Yeah.
00:45:51.040 No.
00:45:52.000 How can you go straight?
00:45:54.560 How can you, you know?
00:45:56.200 How?
00:45:56.800 How?
00:45:57.360 How?
00:45:58.560 I would love somebody to explain to me.
00:46:01.360 I want...
00:46:02.640 You know me, I was an artist, yeah?
00:46:04.900 At school, I was an artist. 0.99
00:46:06.160 Uh, I failed at maths, English, all that bullshit. 0.96
00:46:10.600 But art I was good at, okay? 0.98
00:46:12.800 I could paint.
00:46:14.140 And I told my dad, I wanted to...
00:46:17.020 Okay, I want to go to art school. 1.00
00:46:19.520 And he says, fuck that. 1.00
00:46:21.560 He went, are you kidding me? 1.00
00:46:23.180 So he stuck me behind the till of a shop. 1.00
00:46:27.060 He went, fuck art. 1.00
00:46:28.980 He went, that's not fucking... 1.00
00:46:31.160 That don't count. 0.98
00:46:31.960 It's not being a doctor or a dentist or an accountant.
00:46:38.280 He don't get it.
00:46:39.660 He don't get it.
00:46:41.580 Was your dad a tough guy like you too?
00:46:43.260 Like a big guy or no?
00:46:44.120 No. 1.00
00:46:44.680 No, pussy. 1.00
00:46:46.060 Pussy. 1.00
00:46:46.900 Walked out with every fucking bullshit I've fucking seen. 1.00
00:46:50.340 Pussy. 1.00
00:46:50.880 You know what? 1.00
00:46:51.360 It's me that dealt with everything.
00:46:53.680 He used to run.
00:46:54.880 He used to run from encounters.
00:46:58.800 Run.
00:46:59.160 I ain't bigging anybody up here, yeah? 0.99
00:47:02.760 I'm telling people how it fucking is. 0.97
00:47:04.620 It's my mum who's backed me up. 0.99
00:47:06.460 It's my mum.
00:47:07.380 When I said to my mother, yeah?
00:47:09.360 When I got arrested, when I had this, when I had that.
00:47:12.700 I ain't going to say what needs to get buried or dug up.
00:47:22.120 But my mum did it. 0.99
00:47:23.720 My mum did it.
00:47:24.980 My mum buried and dug up.
00:47:27.200 My dad didn't.
00:47:28.040 My dad knew of it at one time. 1.00
00:47:30.780 And he threw my shit in the fucking river. 1.00
00:47:44.140 If the situations were flipped. 1.00
00:47:47.920 Yeah.
00:47:48.740 How do you prevent any of this stuff?
00:47:50.660 Like, you know, like, you know, listen, the last thing I want to do is I don't want you
00:47:56.580 to go back and think about what if you did this?
00:47:58.700 What if you, I'm not, I'm not doing that.
00:48:00.560 All I'm doing is I grew up in Iran. 0.99
00:48:02.640 I saw a lot of shit when I lived in Iran 10 years. 0.99
00:48:05.300 I lived at a refugee camp in Germany two years. 0.99
00:48:07.860 You know, I'm in Germany.
00:48:08.780 I'm from Iran.
00:48:09.560 So everybody would call you a bunch of stuff.
00:48:11.340 You know, hey, you're this.
00:48:12.240 Hey, you're that. 1.00
00:48:12.800 You're a terrorist. 1.00
00:48:13.500 All these things that they would call you. 0.99
00:48:15.100 Yeah.
00:48:15.580 And coming to the state.
00:48:17.080 But that produces a lot of rage as a kid.
00:48:20.780 Yeah.
00:48:21.320 You know, when somebody calls you something you're not over and over and over again, there's
00:48:25.760 got to be some sort of a rage.
00:48:28.540 Is it more you think on the individual?
00:48:31.780 Is it more the circumstances?
00:48:33.720 Is it more how you handle it?
00:48:36.220 What would you say?
00:48:37.180 I think it's like sort of people have this rage, you know, like it's in the heads now,
00:48:51.680 you know, racism, racism in the 70s.
00:48:57.300 Well, obviously, 70s, 80s, rife, rife, mad.
00:49:03.840 90s calmed down.
00:49:06.080 2000s calmed down.
00:49:07.580 But now I think it's at a level where it's the worst I've ever seen.
00:49:15.680 Racism now, it's a level, it's a worse, it's, you know, it's really bad.
00:49:21.020 But now people can't show it.
00:49:23.660 People can't show it.
00:49:24.940 Back in the day, it was okay to walk into my shop, call me a packy, spit on me.
00:49:31.420 Yeah, do that.
00:49:32.160 I could call the police and the police say, that is not an offence, you know, that is
00:49:37.880 not a legal offence.
00:49:39.300 So, okay, fair enough. 1.00
00:49:41.420 So, spot on, getting abused, getting called a packy, black cunt, blah, blah, blah, whatever. 1.00
00:49:47.300 It's not an offence. 1.00
00:49:49.660 It is an offence now.
00:49:51.940 It's an offence now.
00:49:53.940 But back then it wasn't, you know.
00:49:56.460 And this is what angers me.
00:49:57.780 Why was it not an offence back then?
00:50:02.500 Yeah, I don't have the answer to that.
00:50:11.220 Yeah, no, exactly. 1.00
00:50:12.760 Because of the British government, the British government, the British government are bastards 1.00
00:50:18.900 anyway. 1.00
00:50:20.140 They're bastards. 1.00
00:50:21.320 They are the worst people in the world, I think. 1.00
00:50:23.600 I hate them. 1.00
00:50:24.380 The Queen, her family, paedophiles, all of them anyway. 1.00
00:50:30.260 They're all paedophilia linked. 0.99
00:50:33.900 The lot of them.
00:50:36.360 Who do you trust?
00:50:38.680 Chet, who do you trust?
00:50:41.060 My mom.
00:50:42.020 Because she's the one that dug up, buried.
00:50:50.540 Nobody else has done that for me.
00:50:56.780 Is that why you're trying to clean up your life?
00:51:02.380 No, my life is clean, you know.
00:51:05.280 My life is clean.
00:51:06.900 You know, I want it clean.
00:51:08.720 You know, I'm sick of that life.
00:51:10.320 I hate it.
00:51:12.020 You know, it's a horrible life.
00:51:14.600 It's not pain.
00:51:15.860 It's just pain.
00:51:17.100 There's never a good day in that life.
00:51:20.600 If you wake up in the morning, you know what you've got to do.
00:51:25.200 It's not a nice life.
00:51:31.580 People seem to think they watch films.
00:51:34.880 It's like this, it's that.
00:51:35.940 No, it's not like that at all, man.
00:51:38.360 It's terrible, man.
00:51:40.140 It's terrible.
00:51:40.680 It's terrible.
00:51:42.020 Terrible.
00:51:44.360 But sometimes, you do it, and you've got to do it, and then you do it.
00:51:49.560 How do you make your money right now?
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00:52:39.480 Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson, he knows all about this.
00:52:42.760 He does exactly the same thing as me.
00:52:48.220 Exactly the same thing as me.
00:52:49.540 Well, Chet, you know, when I hear stories like this, all I think about is where there could have been a turning point because, you know, that rage is a real rage.
00:53:05.640 You know, there's got to be, it's not a fake rage.
00:53:09.120 You know, when you're talking, you're not acting, you're talking.
00:53:12.460 And then at the same time, if somebody's already gone through the phase that you've gone through, what do you do to calm the nerves down for it to not happen again?
00:53:20.900 Because it looks like if you were to see any of those guys that would come to your restaurant, come to your store, and they were spitting on you and calling you, packing, all this other stuff,
00:53:30.980 I think if you were to see them again today, I think you would still want to destroy them today.
00:53:34.640 Oh, I will.
00:53:36.160 I will take them clean away.
00:53:38.100 That's why when they see me, they'll run.
00:53:40.540 They'll run.
00:53:41.820 I see people now in my area.
00:53:43.980 They see my face.
00:53:45.520 And I see them turn their backs and run.
00:53:49.260 Because they used to abuse me and my mom and my dad back in the day.
00:53:54.520 And now they realize, oh, shouldn't have done that.
00:53:59.700 Shouldn't have done that.
00:54:01.240 Let them run.
00:54:02.360 But I won't do nothing to them. 1.00
00:54:03.860 Yeah, let them fucking run. 1.00
00:54:05.680 They're pussies, man. 1.00
00:54:06.920 They're pussies. 1.00
00:54:07.620 They picked on the child. 1.00
00:54:09.400 I was 15 years old.
00:54:12.520 There was 30-odd-year-old men, you know, drunk, 0.53
00:54:15.840 and just abusing me, just taking the piss out of me, you know. 0.79
00:54:19.560 It was hard work, man.
00:54:24.520 It wasn't fair.
00:54:25.940 It was never fair.
00:54:27.280 It's never fair.
00:54:29.400 So if they say it's not fair now, who cares?
00:54:34.280 Who cares?
00:54:36.400 Chad, your kids.
00:54:37.520 How old are your kids?
00:54:40.160 Right.
00:54:40.680 They go from 32 to 23.
00:54:45.000 I go four.
00:54:47.220 And how are they doing?
00:54:50.780 I'm driving.
00:54:51.900 I'll speak about them, yeah, if you don't mind.
00:54:54.160 But my youngest one, I will speak about.
00:54:58.500 He went to a private school, and he's the only one I see, okay?
00:55:04.580 The other three are by my ex-wife.
00:55:07.100 She joined the police force, joined the police force,
00:55:10.920 and tried to make my life a misery.
00:55:14.280 She turned all the kids against me.
00:55:17.780 So I will only talk about my younger son.
00:55:20.280 My younger son went to private school for his A-plus degree
00:55:26.460 and master's degree, ancient history.
00:55:32.600 So now he's getting a job in parliament, parliament in England.
00:55:39.860 So my son's in parliament.
00:55:44.280 You know, it's quite weird, yeah?
00:55:47.740 That's great.
00:55:50.240 That's great.
00:55:51.000 That's great.
00:55:51.900 Good for you.
00:55:53.080 How do you, do you find yourself having a lot of people in your life
00:55:57.600 trying to fix you?
00:55:59.360 Like, do you find people trying to be like, hey, you should do this?
00:56:04.040 Hey, you should do this?
00:56:04.840 Hey, you should do this?
00:56:05.940 No.
00:56:06.520 Okay.
00:56:06.960 No, no, no.
00:56:07.800 How do you find your peace?
00:56:09.320 How do you find your peace?
00:56:10.240 What source brings you peace?
00:56:12.520 I know you said mom, but how do you, because obviously from looking at you,
00:56:16.960 I feel the rage.
00:56:17.880 Your eyes have fire in them, okay?
00:56:20.460 You're the kind of guy that you shouldn't drink coffee.
00:56:24.480 Steroids is probably not good for you.
00:56:26.420 You definitely ought to stay from cocaine.
00:56:28.420 You definitely ought to stay.
00:56:29.420 Any kind of higher, you know, like energy drinks is not good for you.
00:56:34.320 How do you go to a peace place yourself?
00:56:37.020 I don't get peace, brother.
00:56:38.800 I got it.
00:56:39.380 I don't get peace for that.
00:56:43.800 Peace.
00:56:48.660 Company, if I have, if they're good, if they can take my mind off it.
00:56:54.540 Yeah.
00:56:58.760 If you don't take my mind off it, then no.
00:57:01.360 It's like that.
00:57:02.000 It's like that.
00:57:02.480 It just goes round and round.
00:57:03.420 Have you ever, have you ever had a steady therapist or somebody that you sat down with
00:57:11.180 on a weekly basis or no?
00:57:12.260 Yes.
00:57:12.780 Yes, I have.
00:57:13.860 Yeah.
00:57:14.180 But all.
00:57:14.360 Do you like that?
00:57:14.580 Did it work?
00:57:14.960 But all they do is listen to what you're saying, you know?
00:57:20.660 They don't actually say anything back to you.
00:57:23.780 And then they say, you're fine.
00:57:28.220 You're like, fine.
00:57:29.440 I go, right.
00:57:30.460 What was the whole point of that?
00:57:31.720 I don't get it.
00:57:35.780 They're getting paid a lot of money.
00:57:38.220 But I think a lot of these people are scared of me as well, you know, to take me on as
00:57:45.260 a patient because they know my history.
00:57:52.060 It's hard to get help.
00:57:54.200 It's hard to.
00:57:54.760 You know what I mean?
00:57:55.240 It's hard work.
00:57:56.500 It's hard work.
00:57:57.100 You ever, you ever gone and spent time with other guys like you who lived a rough life
00:58:03.780 and were tough guys as well and where they found a way to get peace for them to share
00:58:10.340 with you how they changed their lives?
00:58:11.860 Do you have any people like that you go to or no?
00:58:14.620 No.
00:58:16.000 No.
00:58:16.860 I have met a few people that have been in jail years and years.
00:58:23.060 They've killed people and killed people for the IRA and killed people, paid killers, yeah?
00:58:34.820 We're all, we're all, we're all the same, man. 0.53
00:58:38.800 We're all the same.
00:58:40.120 We're all.
00:58:43.500 We might talk it, you know?
00:58:45.340 We might talk it and make out we're all good.
00:58:49.180 But really, still all there, you know?
00:58:53.360 It's still all there.
00:58:54.960 It's hard work.
00:58:56.240 I'm just telling you the truth. 0.98
00:58:58.960 Not bullshit. 0.96
00:58:59.920 Not what some psychiatrist has told to say to somebody, this and that. 0.98
00:59:07.160 No. 1.00
00:59:07.760 We're all, we're all fucked, man. 1.00
00:59:12.980 Yeah. 1.00
00:59:13.820 Put some light on that?
00:59:15.620 No, no.
00:59:15.920 You're fine.
00:59:16.500 You're fine.
00:59:16.880 I don't get a feel that you're being manipulative or you're lying or you're playing games.
00:59:23.340 I feel, I feel you're you.
00:59:25.920 Like, I don't think, you know, I, I interviewed people that I feel like they're being fake and
00:59:30.600 they're acting.
00:59:31.060 I'm like, okay, this guy's just acting.
00:59:32.540 Yeah.
00:59:32.760 I don't get that feeling at all from you.
00:59:34.080 I get the vibe from you that, you know, you're you and you're not, you probably said
00:59:38.880 some things that you probably shouldn't have even said, but you said it.
00:59:41.180 You're not.
00:59:41.360 Yeah, I know.
00:59:41.960 Yeah, I know.
00:59:42.460 Yeah, I know.
00:59:43.080 Yeah, I know.
00:59:43.320 But, you know, I, I, I don't know, I, I, I don't know if I would throw in the towel
00:59:50.980 that a person like you could change.
00:59:56.840 You know, I know a lot of people that picked up certain sources that worked on them and
01:00:02.640 gradually it's not an overnight process.
01:00:04.900 You know, everybody, everybody sends in a different way.
01:00:09.240 You know, some people sense it is a complete different than yours, but I've seen some crazy
01:00:14.460 people change.
01:00:16.040 Yeah, I know.
01:00:16.640 Yeah, I know.
01:00:17.540 I, you know what I mean?
01:00:18.760 I hope that can happen.
01:00:22.300 It's not happening yet.
01:00:24.180 There's got to be an effort from you though.
01:00:25.880 I think.
01:00:26.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:27.400 Yeah.
01:00:28.300 I don't think it's going to happen external.
01:00:29.800 I don't think, I don't, I, the personality, like, like, let's just say, I wish you were
01:00:33.440 sitting in my office where you, you and I can just have a conversation.
01:00:36.600 A personality like you, no one can change you.
01:00:40.060 No one can tell you what to do.
01:00:41.900 Nobody.
01:00:42.740 Yeah.
01:00:43.640 Nobody can.
01:00:44.440 There's only one person that can change the way you view things.
01:00:49.760 Only one person can do that for a guy like you.
01:00:52.300 Only.
01:00:53.340 You know, and, and, and that starts within you, man.
01:00:56.000 That doesn't start with anybody else, because when I watch you, again, I may be completely
01:01:00.240 wrong.
01:01:01.280 I see the 10 year old kid.
01:01:05.380 I see the 16 year old. 0.99
01:01:07.280 I see the 21 year old that says, if you touch me, I'm going to destroy you. 0.70
01:01:11.760 I see the 30 year old.
01:01:13.320 I see the son trying to protect his mom.
01:01:15.280 I see the son trying to defend off his dad.
01:01:17.820 I see all of that combined together.
01:01:20.480 I see all of that when I'm talking to you.
01:01:22.320 And it's felt when I see that.
01:01:24.320 And brother, I, I, uh, I hope you, because you guys still got a lot of living to do.
01:01:32.060 It's not like you're 78, bro.
01:01:34.140 You're 53.
01:01:35.100 You got a lot of living to do.
01:01:36.840 Do you probably got 30 more years to live?
01:01:39.240 I mean, you know, it's not, you haven't even lived two thirds of your life yet, which means,
01:01:43.920 you know, the kids, you know, the, the grandkids, the potential ways of changing, making a decision
01:01:52.280 to say, I'm going to go on a 10 year run to really figure myself out.
01:01:55.580 You got a lot of living to do.
01:01:56.980 And if you do that, who knows, maybe you'll become an example to other people that are
01:02:00.420 in a similar situation like you, because you have true rage in you.
01:02:04.160 You have real rage and pain in you.
01:02:06.340 You do.
01:02:07.300 And I don't think that's going to leave you in, you know, a two week thing or one week
01:02:12.500 thing or one month thing.
01:02:13.540 I think, I think you, you, you know, I don't know.
01:02:17.360 I'm just saying if you made an effort in it, it starts with you.
01:02:21.380 Don't, don't think it's over yet, man.
01:02:23.020 You're 53 years old.
01:02:24.080 I won't be.
01:02:26.040 Yeah.
01:02:26.600 You're 53 years old.
01:02:27.940 And it's crazy.
01:02:29.860 I had nothing to expect on how this interview was going to go.
01:02:32.200 My spirit feels you right now.
01:02:34.460 I totally feel this interview right now.
01:02:36.200 Like, you know, I thought it was just going to be a story.
01:02:38.260 30 minutes.
01:02:38.800 We're off.
01:02:39.140 We're moving.
01:02:39.540 And I'm still on with you.
01:02:41.820 I'm going to pray for you, man.
01:02:42.960 I'm going to do from, from my end, I want to encourage you to figure out a way to want
01:02:48.320 to do something.
01:02:49.920 You know, wilder things have happened where people decided to change.
01:02:54.680 Wilder, you know, remember the man upstairs rarely uses normal people.
01:02:59.060 He just doesn't.
01:03:00.300 The man upstairs doesn't use normal people.
01:03:02.080 I don't know why he doesn't like normal people to use as a way, because I guess normal
01:03:06.260 people, everybody will say, well, we always knew you were going to do what we always know
01:03:09.520 you can, you can, he likes to use people that say, oh, Chet's never.
01:03:12.960 He's never going to change.
01:03:13.660 It's Chet.
01:03:14.180 Are you kidding me?
01:03:14.740 He's never going to change.
01:03:15.640 He's never going to change.
01:03:16.520 He's never going to change.
01:03:18.020 And somehow, someway uses a guy like you.
01:03:20.360 But I really enjoyed talking to you, man.
01:03:24.880 I really enjoyed talking to you.
01:03:26.180 I felt the spirit.
01:03:27.000 I appreciate it.
01:03:28.360 It's been cool, man.
01:03:29.460 You're excellent.
01:03:30.940 Interview-wise, top level.
01:03:33.820 Top level, you.
01:03:35.000 Top level.
01:03:35.980 Thank you.
01:03:36.980 Thank you, brother.
01:03:38.380 And love to hear some news from you 6, 12, 24 months from now.
01:03:44.460 Okay.
01:03:45.360 If you want me again, let me know.
01:03:47.600 I definitely will.
01:03:48.280 Thanks, Chet.
01:03:48.700 Appreciate your time.
01:03:49.880 Take care, buddy.
01:03:50.460 Love you, man.
01:03:51.060 Love you.
01:03:51.360 All the best.
01:03:51.820 God bless.
01:03:52.720 Thanks.
01:03:55.380 So, I have one question for you.
01:03:56.580 We're talking off camera here.
01:03:58.320 Do you think a person like Chet can change?
01:04:01.160 Do you think he can change?
01:04:02.720 At 53 years old, August 31st, 1968, when he was born, he lived the life that he lived,
01:04:08.140 and he changed.
01:04:08.700 If he can't change, put thumbs up.
01:04:10.600 If you don't think he can change, put thumbs down.
01:04:12.280 Comment below saying there's a 1% chance he can change, 2% chance, 5% chance.
01:04:16.760 I want to hear your thoughts.
01:04:17.680 I have my own opinions.
01:04:19.040 And then if you enjoyed this interview, there's two other interviews I want you to watch.
01:04:21.760 One of them is with Sean Atwood, also from UK, who was selling ecstasy in Arizona, going
01:04:27.320 up against Sammy DeVolge Gravano.
01:04:29.200 And the other one is Killer Dave, who did time, got out of jail, started his own bread company,
01:04:34.600 and it took off.
01:04:35.300 And eventually, they sold the company, I think, for a few hundred million dollars.
01:04:38.380 And he ended up eventually changing his life.
01:04:41.880 Having said that, have a great day, everybody.
01:04:43.580 Take care.
01:04:44.000 Bye-bye.
01:04:46.380 Bye-bye.