Valuetainment - Mike Tyson’s Greatest Stories Never Told Before

00:00:00.000 The next speaker I'm bringing up, he was the youngest heavyweight champion of the world.

00:00:06.220 He was known as the most feared man on the planet. On top of that, he later on featured

00:00:14.880 in a documentary that millions watched. Some call it a movie. That documentary was called

00:00:22.220 Hangover. With that being said, give it up to the one, the only, Mike Tyson.

00:00:30.000 They love you, Mike. Awesome.

00:00:58.320 Well, I didn't expect to see you either.

00:01:04.100 Grab seats, grab seats, grab seats. So, how you feeling, Mike? How you doing?

00:01:08.760 I feel great.

00:01:09.420 Yes? First of all, appreciate you for coming out.

00:01:11.740 It was my pleasure.

00:01:12.500 And agreeing to do this.

00:01:13.880 This is really overwhelming, Dad. I never anticipated this.

00:01:18.020 Well, they've been looking forward to seeing you for quite some time now. I think, I want

00:01:22.040 to start off with something, a bit of a more, you know, a technical question for you. Maybe

00:01:27.380 more of a serious question to start off the interview with. How was it being in the movie

00:01:31.960 Hangover?

00:01:32.820 Oh, I had a ball.

00:01:33.600 Yeah?

00:01:34.100 It was my time.

00:01:35.280 You had a good time?

00:01:36.400 As soon as he put me in that movie, I want to be in number two now. I want to be in the

00:01:39.760 next one. I almost threatened the director.

00:01:41.800 What was Zach's reaction when, did he actually, like, did you actually hit him?

00:01:48.140 Did you actually, hey, man, watch it with the puncher. Because Zach's really, like, kind

00:01:51.020 of a tough guy in real life. He's like, just watch it with the punches, okay?

00:01:54.560 Zach's telling me.

00:01:55.180 Yeah.

00:01:56.340 Anybody, see the hangover, yes or no?

00:01:58.220 Yes? Okay. So, in the back, we're talking, Mike and I are talking. I was telling Mike,

00:02:03.880 I said, Mike, how do you, how do you view competition? Like, when you think about the word

00:02:07.180 competition, what does that mean to you?

00:02:08.660 I think of competition as people reaching their highest potential. They have the potential

00:02:14.920 to reach their highest potential when competition comes. Competition is always good because it

00:02:20.840 helps you not to give in under the slightest struggle in life. Because life is going to

00:02:25.760 give everybody a bad hand. No one's going to leave here without being tried in life.

00:02:32.000 Wow.

00:02:32.320 And you have to be, you know, you're going to have to take it. Like, what they say, adversity

00:02:36.880 make the strong stronger or the weak weaker?

00:02:41.020 So, to you, competition is inevitable. You can't avoid competition.

00:02:45.040 Right this minute, I'm competing with my wife.

00:02:50.440 Right this minute, I'm competing with my wife. I'm going to get home early enough or not.

00:02:57.020 But everything to you in life, you see it as a competition.

00:02:59.540 Everything has to be. Competition is great. It builds character. And it gives you backbone.

00:03:06.000 You don't have to give in. As I was saying earlier, in the slightest struggle, some people

00:03:09.480 like nowadays, it's like everybody's belief that someone should give them something.

00:03:15.740 Yeah, everybody, nobody wants to work now. Especially kids that have wealthy parents like myself,

00:03:22.420 most of them don't want to do what they should do.

00:03:24.680 So, how do you deal with that?

00:03:27.400 Then we got to go to trust funds.

00:03:30.260 We got to go to trust funds.

00:03:31.040 If you don't do this, you don't get this.

00:03:35.540 Right? If you don't do this, you won't get this.

00:03:38.760 Does it work?

00:03:39.520 Oh, it worked for centuries.

00:03:41.520 Okay.

00:03:45.480 People got to be accounted. That's what competition is all about.

00:03:49.000 Someone has to be, once they have a letter, like everybody in their family,

00:03:51.960 everybody in their family knows who's the strongest one in the family, who's the matriarch.

00:03:56.780 Even if they're older, they can kick his ass, they know he's the boss or she's the boss.

00:04:01.120 Right?

00:04:03.520 That doesn't have nothing to do with strength and big and big.

00:04:06.080 They know who the boss is. They know who can run the house.

00:04:08.480 They know who the yes and no.

00:04:10.100 They just know the boss, he distinguished himself or she distinguished himself out of all of us.

00:04:15.400 That's why we know they're the boss, even though we're older than them.

00:04:18.440 So, why do you think so many people today don't like competition?

00:04:22.100 They're almost like either sensitive to it or they say it's not a good thing.

00:04:24.840 Like, why do you think that's happening?

00:04:26.920 I don't know. I just don't know.

00:04:28.900 People believe entitlement. That's the word I was looking for.

00:04:33.280 A lot of people, entitlement.

00:04:34.560 Some of my kids, too. They're entitled.

00:04:37.240 They think their bank account should be full because yours is full.

00:04:40.380 That's just what they think.

00:04:43.620 You know, I did this all this for them, but they have to match me.

00:04:47.400 You know what I mean?

00:04:47.660 If you're making 200 bucks, you got 200 bucks a month.

00:04:50.820 Whatever you have, I'll match that.

00:04:52.440 But I'm not going to give you something that you never worked for.

00:04:55.460 You don't know exactly.

00:04:56.840 He don't know the cause of the struggle for it.

00:04:59.520 So, without him knowing the struggle for it, he'd give it up very easily.

00:05:05.260 Coming up when you're coming up in the streets of New York, when you're coming up, what was it like?

00:05:09.180 What was it like trying to make it out of the streets of New York and making your own money?

00:05:12.680 It looked impossible. That was going to never happen.

00:05:15.340 I never even dreamed about getting out of New York.

00:05:17.000 I dreamed about living there, robbing and stealing and dying on the same block I was born on.

00:05:22.220 Wow.

00:05:23.260 Had no idea this was going to happen.

00:05:26.040 What changed?

00:05:26.740 I went to a place called Sparf.

00:05:29.280 It's like a correctional center.

00:05:32.680 And we watched the movie The Greatest, like 78, 77, like 11, 12.

00:05:39.260 And they turned on the lights and Muhammad Ali came in.

00:05:42.040 And for some strange reason, I said, I want to be like him.

00:05:44.960 As soon as I left there, I went to another place.

00:05:48.120 And it was a guy that was an ex-boxer.

00:05:50.560 And he told me how to box.

00:05:51.720 And that's why I'm here with you.

00:05:53.640 So, before that, were you a street fighter?

00:05:55.640 Were you a brawler?

00:05:56.500 All the time.

00:05:57.220 All the time.

00:05:57.680 For money, yes.

00:05:58.480 What does that mean, all the time, for money?

00:06:00.300 I must have had like three fights, four fights a day.

00:06:02.920 For money?

00:06:04.060 Money, I was robbing somebody.

00:06:05.760 So, walk us through it.

00:06:06.900 Like, your day was a lot.

00:06:09.060 Walk us through it.

00:06:10.040 Like, are you talking about Kimbo Slice?

00:06:11.460 Like, they're fighting in the streets?

00:06:12.960 Or just robbing?

00:06:13.440 Yeah.

00:06:13.560 Oh, so before there was a Kimbo, you were fighting in the streets?

00:06:16.640 No, everyone did that.

00:06:18.000 Everyone did what Kimbo did.

00:06:19.140 That's what everyone did.

00:06:20.420 But they did it numerous times.

00:06:22.400 You did it in this neighborhood.

00:06:23.580 You did it in that neighborhood.

00:06:24.720 You did it in that neighborhood.

00:06:25.580 Every neighborhood you went through, you did it.

00:06:27.080 So, you already had a reputation built in the streets?

00:06:29.660 Yes, yes, yes.

00:06:30.600 And were you a knockout artist?

00:06:32.560 Yes, yes, yes.

00:06:40.040 When you were coming up, did you ever like, you're talking about 12, 13, 14 years old fighting?

00:06:44.920 No, I'm talking about like, from 9, 10, 11.

00:06:53.540 By the way, just curious.

00:06:54.860 I was going to say, this stuff, it came natural.

00:06:58.460 9, 10, 11?

00:06:59.400 Yes, that's what I was made to do.

00:07:01.180 I was, I was crying the way because the guy knocked out.

00:07:04.420 I'm not going to be, I'm not lying.

00:07:08.680 I'm like, baby Huey.

00:07:09.780 So, you didn't know your own strength?

00:07:15.500 No, not at all.

00:07:16.540 Once you realized, like, you are stronger than the average human being?

00:07:19.960 Yeah, all of the tough guys and the criminal guys wanted to hang out with me then.

00:07:23.460 They put me in their gang.

00:07:24.600 Now, I can be in their gang.

00:07:26.620 They always say, get him, snatch that boy, snatch his watch, snatch his purse, snatch this, snatch that.

00:07:32.420 And that's what our crew was about.

00:07:34.720 Did you ever fight somebody that you were like, that they got you?

00:07:37.700 Was there ever a kid that got you or no?

00:07:39.100 Absolutely.

00:07:40.260 In order to be good, you have to lose it and understand loss.

00:07:43.820 Because loss is life.

00:07:46.920 Was there anyone you fought in the streets that beat you that later on became a professional boxer?

00:07:51.600 No way.

00:07:52.200 Some of them became drug doves.

00:07:53.900 Some of them became hide and killers in my neighborhood.

00:07:57.780 These guys don't, they don't get the opportunity to get these blue collar jobs and stuff.

00:08:03.340 When you were coming up at 9, 10, 11, did you have a nickname?

00:08:05.720 Like, did they?

00:08:06.380 Dirty Ike.

00:08:07.620 Dirty Ike.

00:08:08.500 Yeah.

00:08:09.420 Why Dirty Ike?

00:08:11.880 Because even though I had nice clothes, they were always dirty.

00:08:16.260 Is that why?

00:08:17.140 Yeah, because I had no idea about hygiene.

00:08:19.680 I'm nine years old.

00:08:21.220 And I have, let's say if I'm nine years old and I got 5,500 bucks on me.

00:08:25.200 I don't know nothing about hygiene.

00:08:26.200 I know to buy the clothes and stuff because I see my friend and they taught me that.

00:08:29.100 But I go, and then I go in my pigeon coop and I got shit on the clothes and everything.

00:08:33.480 I had no idea about hygiene.

00:08:35.280 I just knew the representation of clothes were good.

00:08:38.640 I didn't know I had to clean them.

00:08:40.080 So let me go back.

00:08:41.760 You just kind of said it very solid.

00:08:43.860 Any one of you guys ever at nine years old had 5,500 bucks in your pocket?

00:08:47.360 Yeah, I'm nine years old.

00:08:48.760 You said you had 5,500 bucks in your pocket.

00:08:51.140 Because we robbed people's houses.

00:08:52.580 And in people's houses, you get everything.

00:08:54.780 We had guns.

00:08:55.540 No, listen.

00:08:56.600 No.

00:08:57.700 You have to hear this.

00:08:59.180 Since everybody's here, you want to talk.

00:09:01.000 You can't believe it.

00:09:01.540 We're robbing these houses.

00:09:02.660 We got guns.

00:09:03.660 We're only 10, 11 years old.

00:09:05.100 We got automatic guns.

00:09:06.400 We got 45.

00:09:08.100 Man, it's just crazy.

00:09:10.600 You're going in these people.

00:09:12.320 I never knew that.

00:09:13.500 I thought everybody's house looks like mine.

00:09:15.400 Shitty with roaches and all that.

00:09:17.340 Going in.

00:09:17.960 Wow.

00:09:20.140 Wow.

00:09:22.780 Wow.

00:09:23.840 Nine years old.

00:09:24.600 Nine, 10, 11.

00:09:25.240 Nine, 10, 11.

00:09:25.900 So now go, go.

00:09:27.040 11, 12, 13.

00:09:27.860 What happens next?

00:09:28.660 Get arrested.

00:09:29.540 And I see Muhammad Ali.

00:09:30.500 He comes and visits the institution that I'm in.

00:09:34.380 And I saw him and I got turned out.

00:09:37.140 I don't know how it happened.

00:09:38.040 The spirit hit me.

00:09:38.620 Boom.

00:09:38.900 I want to be like him.

00:09:39.940 You said you were in jail and Ali shows up?

00:09:41.880 I'm 12 years old and Ali comes there.

00:09:44.060 And they showed the movie The Greatest first.

00:09:45.980 So this is 77.

00:09:47.640 And after the movie, the lights come up and Ali comes in.

00:09:52.000 And I see him.

00:09:52.820 I want to be just like him.

00:09:54.920 And then I get transferred from the place that I saw Muhammad Ali

00:09:58.080 to this other facility.

00:10:00.040 You know, for real bad kids.

00:10:02.700 And I met a gentleman there that was a boxer.

00:10:06.260 And he used to teach me how to box.

00:10:08.160 And one day I broke his nose, right?

00:10:10.280 And he got mad.

00:10:12.300 I didn't know he was mad.

00:10:13.220 But he's mad that his wife didn't want him to box me no more.

00:10:15.520 And that's why he was mad.

00:10:16.600 So he took me to a great trainer named Customato.

00:10:19.100 And that's why I'm here.

00:10:24.160 When you saw Ali, did you speak with him?

00:10:26.140 Or was it like a...

00:10:26.480 No, no.

00:10:26.960 I used to go on boom.

00:10:28.720 Wow.

00:10:29.420 What a story.

00:10:29.720 I said, I want to be like him.

00:10:31.600 Un-freaking-believable story.

00:10:32.700 So your inspiration happened at 12 years old.

00:10:35.120 Then you meet Cus.

00:10:36.340 Yes.

00:10:36.820 How was Cus treating you?

00:10:38.380 What happened for you to be loyal?

00:10:39.680 What was his way of leading you?

00:10:41.420 Yes.

00:10:42.020 The degree of just peeling all that dirt and stuff,

00:10:46.960 that insecurity and developing into character.

00:10:51.900 And that's why I had a wonderful time with him.

00:10:56.120 Because everything about his life was about me.

00:11:00.220 And so I never had a father.

00:11:01.880 But I know what it's like to want to make a father happy.

00:11:05.520 And so I wanted to be champion and make him happy.

00:11:07.800 You said peeling.

00:11:08.980 So that process, a lot of us have to go.

00:11:10.420 How did he do it?

00:11:11.220 Because when I first came here, I wanted to rob the place.

00:11:15.140 No, that's my life.

00:11:17.200 That's what I'm about.

00:11:18.760 So when I first came here, and this is a man's eye.

00:11:20.700 This old Victorian mansion.

00:11:22.280 I said, wow.

00:11:24.260 You know, I said, what can be in their drawers?

00:11:26.260 You know, that's just how my mind thinks.

00:11:29.220 Even now, I have millions of people,

00:11:30.700 but my mind still thinks that way.

00:11:34.900 And I didn't know because he, at that time,

00:11:37.500 I didn't have any self-esteem, any character.

00:11:39.860 And he would always say, look in the mirror.

00:11:41.220 Look how handsome you are.

00:11:42.320 So I thought he was a homosexual.

00:11:43.900 I thought he was hitting on me or something.

00:11:45.740 But I don't know.

00:11:46.240 He was just building my character,

00:11:48.400 allowing me to love myself.

00:11:49.800 And we just had a great relationship for seven years.

00:11:56.000 I won a bunch of championships,

00:11:57.800 of course, national championships.

00:11:59.340 He got me very worldwide known.

00:12:02.420 And I carried his legacy.

00:12:04.840 Was he somebody that would, was he direct with you?

00:12:08.520 Would he be around the bush?

00:12:09.460 Oh, nothing straight to you, no bullshit.

00:12:11.660 So give me an example.

00:12:12.440 Like, how would he talk to you?

00:12:13.240 Um, you don't want to be champ.

00:12:16.700 You're a tomato can.

00:12:17.980 You don't want to work.

00:12:20.020 You're something like that.

00:12:20.860 And hey, I cry if you say that to me.

00:12:22.940 Because tomato can, to me,

00:12:24.900 it's not like it's funny to you,

00:12:26.160 but tomato can, anybody can blow you over.

00:12:30.000 You ain't shit.

00:12:30.940 I got you.

00:12:32.580 I got you.

00:12:33.300 So he was not one that would be like,

00:12:35.520 you're amazing, Mike.

00:12:36.660 You're such a sweetheart.

00:12:37.640 You're going to be, he was.

00:12:38.900 No.

00:12:41.120 Um, after I'm getting, like,

00:12:42.920 I'm on the front cover of Sports Illustrated, right?

00:12:46.000 After I'm talking to us,

00:12:47.120 I'm getting friendly with the reporters and everything.

00:12:49.320 And the girls have my makeup.

00:12:50.640 And like, I'm somebody.

00:12:51.700 And then he said,

00:12:52.300 take the broom and mop and clean the gym.

00:12:55.040 He told you that?

00:12:55.900 Yeah.

00:12:56.500 All the lights on me.

00:12:57.440 Like, you ain't here.

00:12:57.980 Everybody see me.

00:12:58.520 I'm all cocky and stuff.

00:13:00.280 I'm on the front cover of Sports Illustrated.

00:13:03.040 Um, don't forget the broom and mop, Mike.

00:13:06.360 Everything's humility.

00:13:08.580 Wow.

00:13:09.460 I mean, I've experienced that person

00:13:10.680 with a lot of people in the company.

00:13:11.800 Yeah, I mean, that's amazing.

00:13:12.560 Make some noise, guys.

00:13:13.660 So, in your opinion,

00:13:16.320 those who make it at the level that you made it,

00:13:18.920 I mean, the level that you make it,

00:13:20.140 there's 7 billion people in the world

00:13:21.360 that you're number one.

00:13:22.140 So it's not like you're one in 100,

00:13:24.200 you're one in 1,000.

00:13:25.220 It's one in 7 billion

00:13:26.540 when you made it as a boxer at that level.

00:13:28.340 Do you notice a common trend?

00:13:29.900 Like, right now,

00:13:31.020 I think it was Mackey

00:13:31.960 put up a quote from Michael Jordan.

00:13:33.580 Michael Jordan,

00:13:34.220 my biggest strength was,

00:13:35.880 I'm coachable.

00:13:37.340 I'm a sponge.

00:13:38.280 I want to learn.

00:13:38.920 I want to get better.

00:13:39.720 Do you notice the level

00:13:41.380 at the highest level

00:13:42.180 is similar to somebody

00:13:43.460 challenges, pushes

00:13:44.300 to see that that person

00:13:45.140 wants it or not?

00:13:47.100 I guess, um,

00:13:48.020 it's cool that people are seekers.

00:13:49.780 I think that's very interesting

00:13:51.080 that we're seekers.

00:13:52.100 But we have to believe

00:13:53.200 that we're divine

00:13:54.160 and that we learn

00:13:55.280 from our experience

00:13:56.120 because, um,

00:13:57.960 confidence breeds success

00:13:59.180 and success breeds confidence.

00:14:00.800 They go hand in hand.

00:14:02.640 You can't accomplish anything

00:14:04.100 unless you say,

00:14:04.600 oh, I'm a prick.

00:14:05.300 I could never do that.

00:14:06.500 I'm not born to do that.

00:14:07.640 Only certain people,

00:14:08.400 only white people

00:14:09.000 could do that.

00:14:09.820 I can't do that.

00:14:13.000 There's nothing I can't do.

00:14:14.580 You know,

00:14:15.060 you may just be canceled

00:14:15.920 after what you just said

00:14:16.860 right now.

00:14:17.320 Oh, man.

00:14:18.120 You can't say something like that.

00:14:19.120 You just say,

00:14:19.440 white people can only do it

00:14:20.420 because you and I,

00:14:21.040 I'm Iranian,

00:14:21.580 you're black.

00:14:21.940 We can't say things.

00:14:22.560 But I don't care.

00:14:23.440 I don't care if I don't care.

00:14:25.340 I got my own plane.

00:14:27.400 I don't care if you get me.

00:14:44.440 I don't care if you don't let me

00:14:45.440 on his plane or his boat.

00:14:46.720 So going back to Cuss,

00:14:57.440 going back to Cuss.

00:14:58.320 So Cuss had also done it

00:15:00.820 in the past before, right?

00:15:01.840 Like Cuss knew how

00:15:02.740 to develop people, right?

00:15:03.880 He had a reputation

00:15:04.800 for developing people.

00:15:05.580 Absolutely.

00:15:05.900 Did you ever see anybody

00:15:07.060 that he worked with

00:15:07.880 that they just couldn't take it

00:15:09.560 and they quit working with Cuss?

00:15:10.700 Like some people just emotionally

00:15:12.020 couldn't handle

00:15:12.480 that kind of pressure.

00:15:13.560 No, Cuss knows

00:15:14.320 when to put the gas on

00:15:15.620 and when to put the pressure

00:15:16.700 brakes on.

00:15:17.900 You know,

00:15:18.080 that's what a teacher does.

00:15:19.140 He's a teacher.

00:15:20.440 We all teach everyone.

00:15:22.300 All of us teach everyone.

00:15:23.960 We're all teachers and students.

00:15:25.140 This world is one big school

00:15:26.500 and we're the students

00:15:28.020 of this world.

00:15:29.100 So he knew timing

00:15:30.440 and he knew

00:15:31.260 when to motivate

00:15:33.220 and when not to motivate.

00:15:34.220 Absolutely.

00:15:34.900 He knows the mind

00:15:36.200 is always hungry.

00:15:37.800 The mind wants to do good,

00:15:39.600 but we get so many

00:15:40.660 negative thoughts

00:15:42.360 in our mind.

00:15:42.920 It's almost overwhelming

00:15:43.780 to be positive.

00:15:45.120 So Mike,

00:15:45.680 you have to know,

00:15:46.000 this is so important

00:15:46.780 because you're like

00:15:47.520 an encyclopedia

00:15:48.280 in this area

00:15:48.860 because you work

00:15:49.680 with the best

00:15:50.120 and you became the best.

00:15:51.060 So I'm trying to extract

00:15:52.280 as much information

00:15:53.020 from you as possible.

00:15:53.920 So would you say for him

00:15:55.520 when you were cocky,

00:15:57.000 he humbled you.

00:15:57.800 When you were down,

00:15:58.540 he built you up.

00:15:59.200 Would you say

00:15:59.460 it was like a timing thing

00:16:00.420 with him?

00:16:01.460 No,

00:16:01.780 it was no game.

00:16:02.740 You know,

00:16:04.100 there's so much power

00:16:05.100 in humbleness.

00:16:07.280 You know,

00:16:07.660 when I'm on the fight,

00:16:09.120 I say I arrange these things.

00:16:10.140 But I know the power

00:16:11.580 of humbleness now.

00:16:13.060 How did you learn that?

00:16:13.980 I have to lose everything.

00:16:15.760 Got it.

00:16:16.760 Got it.

00:16:17.180 Well,

00:16:17.320 now you got a lot

00:16:17.960 of it back,

00:16:18.340 by the way.

00:16:18.680 You don't want people

00:16:20.020 to know you got money.

00:16:20.840 It means nothing.

00:16:22.980 Listen,

00:16:24.040 if you think a lot of money

00:16:25.200 is going to make you happy,

00:16:26.700 you never had a lot

00:16:27.520 of money before.

00:16:31.640 So what do you value now?

00:16:32.860 What's at the top

00:16:33.520 for you to value?

00:16:34.200 Me,

00:16:35.500 my children,

00:16:36.220 my whole barometer

00:16:38.000 of life.

00:16:39.040 Yeah,

00:16:39.360 that's the money I'm not.

00:16:42.560 Listen,

00:16:43.480 listen,

00:16:43.980 I've been down and up,

00:16:45.180 down and up,

00:16:46.200 broken up.

00:16:47.060 And why am I still here

00:16:48.280 talking to these guys?

00:16:49.780 Why are you guys

00:16:50.380 paying me to talk to y'all?

00:16:52.360 Why did we do it, guys?

00:16:53.600 I've been in prison

00:16:54.340 a bunch of times.

00:16:55.520 I done,

00:16:55.700 I done kicked some people's ass

00:16:57.800 on television

00:16:58.380 and called people

00:16:59.140 white, nigger,

00:17:00.060 hunky.

00:17:00.640 And listen,

00:17:01.820 and the reason

00:17:03.640 I'm still here

00:17:04.360 is because

00:17:04.880 I understand

00:17:05.700 what humbleness is.

00:17:07.140 You know,

00:17:07.420 I understand humbleness.

00:17:08.840 And I think

00:17:10.520 sometimes God

00:17:11.260 doesn't like me

00:17:11.900 because he knows

00:17:12.320 I can't handle this shit.

00:17:14.820 No,

00:17:15.020 I'm serious.

00:17:15.760 He knows

00:17:16.080 I can't handle this shit.

00:17:18.060 No,

00:17:18.320 I got a label on me.

00:17:19.440 I'm the best fighter.

00:17:20.320 I have to,

00:17:21.580 I have to conduct myself

00:17:24.840 in a certain way.

00:17:26.500 That's what my wife

00:17:27.220 tells me now.

00:17:28.080 She tells you

00:17:28.640 that you have to conduct

00:17:29.500 yourself in a certain way.

00:17:31.060 What do you think

00:17:31.480 about that?

00:17:31.880 You have to be diplomatic.

00:17:32.720 You can't go to the clubs

00:17:34.120 no more.

00:17:35.120 Oh,

00:17:35.560 you know,

00:17:36.720 they want to control

00:17:37.480 your life.

00:17:39.000 They want to control

00:17:39.840 your life.

00:17:40.640 How do you handle that?

00:17:41.360 Like,

00:17:41.520 you can't go to the club.

00:17:42.440 I mean,

00:17:42.620 that's just,

00:17:43.320 too many restrictions.

00:17:44.060 I don't go to the club.

00:17:45.180 You don't go to the club.

00:17:46.560 Is it weighing it out,

00:17:47.440 saying clubs,

00:17:48.040 wife,

00:17:48.340 what's more important?

00:17:48.960 No, no, no.

00:17:49.080 It's just,

00:17:50.580 I can go to the club,

00:17:51.960 but I just don't want

00:17:52.580 to come back

00:17:53.180 and see her

00:17:53.660 after I went to the club.

00:17:55.900 You know how,

00:17:56.600 you know when they

00:17:57.260 look at you

00:17:57.960 and you want to say,

00:17:59.580 what the,

00:18:00.160 what did I do?

00:18:01.100 I just went out.

00:18:09.820 Listen,

00:18:10.860 my wife don't think

00:18:11.620 I know.

00:18:11.880 She put,

00:18:12.580 she put a tracker

00:18:13.700 on my new,

00:18:14.280 she got me a new truck

00:18:15.220 and had a tracker on it.

00:18:16.580 Right hand on the law.

00:18:17.860 My right hand.

00:18:19.060 My wife.

00:18:19.360 Do you know that

00:18:19.980 or you don't know that?

00:18:20.700 Oh,

00:18:20.800 I know now.

00:18:21.420 Why did she do that?

00:18:27.400 Put a tracker on the car.

00:18:29.440 So what do you do?

00:18:30.300 Are you strategic?

00:18:31.260 You go park it somewhere,

00:18:32.320 call an Uber

00:18:32.740 and go to the club or?

00:18:34.260 No,

00:18:34.560 I only drive it

00:18:35.260 when she's in it.

00:18:40.920 Let's go back to it.

00:18:41.800 So Mike,

00:18:42.120 you're coming up.

00:18:44.140 Cus is working with you.

00:18:45.660 He trains you

00:18:46.800 and then all of a sudden

00:18:48.300 you start fighting.

00:18:49.520 At what point

00:18:50.400 did you know

00:18:51.060 that you could be

00:18:51.880 the heavyweight champion?

00:18:52.820 Like,

00:18:52.980 you got a fight,

00:18:54.020 you got two fights,

00:18:54.600 you got three fights.

00:18:55.260 14.

00:18:56.520 14 years old,

00:18:57.280 you knew you were going to.

00:18:57.760 You have to be the champion

00:18:58.600 before you become the champion.

00:18:59.980 So that means lifestyle.

00:19:03.980 You have to be him

00:19:04.820 before you become him.

00:19:06.740 You got to be him

00:19:07.840 before you become him.

00:19:08.960 Unpack that.

00:19:13.640 You have to live his lifestyle.

00:19:15.920 The lifestyle of a champion.

00:19:17.540 Of the champion,

00:19:18.560 you look at the champion.

00:19:20.820 That's how it starts.

00:19:21.760 You look at somebody,

00:19:22.400 I want to be like him.

00:19:24.100 You don't say,

00:19:24.820 hey,

00:19:25.040 I'm a bad motherfucker.

00:19:26.220 I want to fight everybody out here.

00:19:27.300 Nobody's going to kick my ass.

00:19:28.800 You see somebody,

00:19:29.800 you say,

00:19:30.060 hey,

00:19:30.660 I might want to do that.

00:19:32.500 So inspiration,

00:19:33.760 the source of inspiration.

00:19:34.880 So is that what got you

00:19:36.500 to be willing

00:19:37.620 to be disciplined,

00:19:38.640 to get what you want,

00:19:39.680 like to become a champion?

00:19:40.520 At 14 years old,

00:19:41.260 I'm willing to do everything

00:19:42.060 it takes to be a champion?

00:19:43.880 Absolutely.

00:19:44.460 And then I had Cus over there

00:19:45.580 telling me,

00:19:46.040 why should he have it?

00:19:48.160 That's one thing

00:19:48.800 I never had in my life.

00:19:50.260 Because I always got picked on

00:19:51.560 and I never had jealousy

00:19:53.560 or envy-ness about anything.

00:19:55.500 And Cus possessed that.

00:19:58.040 You know,

00:19:58.460 and he was telling me,

00:19:59.420 why should he have

00:20:00.200 all that money

00:20:00.780 and you don't?

00:20:01.840 Why is he,

00:20:02.460 why do you believe

00:20:04.720 that he's better than you?

00:20:06.100 Why do you think

00:20:06.620 he should have

00:20:07.060 all that money

00:20:07.500 and you don't?

00:20:08.060 And he was really

00:20:09.020 serious about it.

00:20:10.640 And that's with

00:20:11.320 the competition shit.

00:20:13.700 That's it,

00:20:14.220 right?

00:20:14.400 He's breathing

00:20:14.920 that stuff right in me.

00:20:15.800 Why should he have it

00:20:17.340 and he's not better than you?

00:20:19.460 How did you handle that

00:20:20.340 when he told you that,

00:20:21.020 14?

00:20:22.000 Would it piss you off?

00:20:22.980 Were you like,

00:20:23.280 I'm going to go train

00:20:23.760 to whoop his ass

00:20:24.420 and get there one day?

00:20:25.580 What was your respond to it?

00:20:27.220 He said one day,

00:20:28.180 oh God,

00:20:28.760 I can't tell you.

00:20:29.460 This guy knew

00:20:30.000 how to really get in my head.

00:20:31.440 He said,

00:20:31.800 man,

00:20:32.060 you're fighting good,

00:20:32.820 but I wish you were bigger.

00:20:34.000 He said,

00:20:34.140 I wish you were like

00:20:34.960 Kenny Norton,

00:20:37.100 another guy,

00:20:38.480 Mike Weaver,

00:20:39.400 because they had big bodies

00:20:40.560 and they could intimidate somebody.

00:20:42.500 And that hurt my feelings.

00:20:43.480 I said,

00:20:43.640 I'll make sure

00:20:44.060 the whole world

00:20:44.620 will be afraid of me.

00:20:46.940 He laughed,

00:20:47.880 but that's what I said.

00:20:49.560 So he knew how to poke you.

00:20:51.060 Oh, yeah.

00:20:52.580 Did it piss you off

00:20:53.460 or you're like,

00:20:53.780 I'm going to prove you wrong

00:20:54.500 type of a thing?

00:20:55.000 I better not act like

00:20:56.620 I'm upset and mad at him.

00:20:57.960 Yes, sir.

00:20:59.120 I'll do better.

00:21:00.040 Why?

00:21:00.260 If you did,

00:21:00.660 what would happen?

00:21:01.560 Yes, don't talk to me.

00:21:02.900 You know what I'm telling you.

00:21:03.860 You don't talk to him.

00:21:04.540 That's your teacher.

00:21:05.660 Are you worried

00:21:06.400 that he may take time

00:21:07.620 and spend time

00:21:08.120 with somebody else

00:21:08.720 instead of you

00:21:09.240 or is it just kind of like,

00:21:10.000 I respect the teacher,

00:21:10.640 I'm going to listen to him?

00:21:11.240 I want him to be satisfied

00:21:12.700 with my work.

00:21:13.440 I want him to say,

00:21:13.940 you look beautiful today.

00:21:15.660 Like he said,

00:21:16.180 when he first said it to me

00:21:18.840 and I thought he was a weirdo,

00:21:19.880 I want him to say it again.

00:21:24.320 I want him to say,

00:21:25.300 now I don't know he's a weirdo.

00:21:26.660 Now I know he's not a weirdo,

00:21:27.560 I want him to say

00:21:28.100 he loves me again.

00:21:32.300 How much of what he did to you

00:21:34.060 do you do to your kids

00:21:35.580 and others?

00:21:36.380 Listen,

00:21:36.720 I wouldn't dare do to my kids

00:21:38.140 what he did to me.

00:21:39.200 Why is that?

00:21:39.660 Crazy.

00:21:40.280 Why?

00:21:41.700 Because because

00:21:42.460 some guy,

00:21:45.280 listen,

00:21:45.380 this is the real deal.

00:21:48.060 If I don't do well in boxing,

00:21:49.880 I go to prison

00:21:50.700 or I die.

00:21:51.720 If my kids don't do well,

00:21:53.140 they go back to a big house

00:21:54.360 and all their rich friends

00:21:55.180 come over and they play,

00:21:56.280 eat stuff and get back.

00:21:57.400 Come on,

00:21:57.820 it's not the same thing.

00:21:58.780 How do you create

00:21:59.140 that pressure for them?

00:21:59.880 How do you create that?

00:22:00.500 Can you actually create

00:22:01.280 that kind of intensity

00:22:01.980 and pressure or no?

00:22:02.780 Well,

00:22:02.940 I tell them I'm sending

00:22:03.600 them to military school

00:22:04.780 if you got to pick a sport.

00:22:07.880 So you're going to send

00:22:08.660 them to military school

00:22:09.420 to toughen them?

00:22:10.000 These kids don't want

00:22:10.800 to get tough enough.

00:22:11.560 They may have a heart attack

00:22:12.720 nowadays.

00:22:14.080 How do you do that though?

00:22:15.100 How do you actually do that?

00:22:16.140 Is it even possible

00:22:17.520 in your mind

00:22:18.160 to pass down that toughness

00:22:19.320 to someone else?

00:22:20.780 Well,

00:22:21.000 listen,

00:22:21.300 you can always be tough,

00:22:22.500 but even though,

00:22:23.220 I don't care how much money

00:22:24.320 you got,

00:22:25.120 some guy money got,

00:22:26.200 how successful you are,

00:22:27.600 and you may not like him

00:22:28.960 and he did wrong,

00:22:29.700 that you're never better

00:22:30.820 than your father.

00:22:32.420 Why is that?

00:22:33.280 It's just the way

00:22:34.180 God made it.

00:22:36.560 It's just the way,

00:22:37.420 I don't care how much money

00:22:38.360 I have,

00:22:38.840 how much,

00:22:39.440 my father would kick my ass.

00:22:41.600 My father would kill me.

00:22:44.560 We're not our fathers.

00:22:46.500 We're not.

00:22:48.040 Go a little deeper with that.

00:22:49.240 That's a pretty deep comment.

00:22:50.300 No,

00:22:50.500 it's just that my father

00:22:51.460 is a real serious guy.

00:22:53.400 I would never want

00:22:54.440 to have a qualification

00:22:55.360 with him.

00:22:56.060 This is,

00:22:56.400 who's your father?

00:22:57.460 This is,

00:22:57.900 you're talking about

00:22:58.380 cuss?

00:22:58.940 No,

00:22:59.280 my biological father.

00:23:00.460 Okay,

00:23:00.720 I got you.

00:23:01.360 Wow,

00:23:01.660 so to you.

00:23:02.020 Even as champion of the world,

00:23:04.060 I have people,

00:23:04.840 all my body's got crude.

00:23:05.940 I'm still a little

00:23:06.740 eerie of him.

00:23:07.940 He was just that kind of guy.

00:23:09.300 He's killed people.

00:23:10.240 He's done bad stuff.

00:23:11.820 He was just that kind of guy.

00:23:13.060 So your dad was feared

00:23:14.300 by others.

00:23:15.020 He was an interesting guy.

00:23:16.520 He's a preacher.

00:23:18.040 He's a preacher.

00:23:19.760 Okay?

00:23:20.840 He's a preacher now?

00:23:21.760 No,

00:23:22.300 he's always been in the church.

00:23:23.880 He's born in the church,

00:23:24.780 raised in the church.

00:23:25.980 Preacher,

00:23:26.600 deacon,

00:23:27.060 preacher.

00:23:27.540 Yeah,

00:23:27.860 listen,

00:23:28.640 mean motherfucker.

00:23:32.020 I mean,

00:23:35.300 I bet 100% of people

00:23:36.340 got baptized.

00:23:37.060 I swear to God,

00:23:37.760 if you don't get baptized,

00:23:38.880 I'm going to take you out afterwards.

00:23:40.120 Was it like that?

00:23:41.040 No,

00:23:41.780 listen,

00:23:42.140 they don't play.

00:23:43.040 My family,

00:23:44.160 the religious,

00:23:44.880 the Christian side,

00:23:45.700 they don't fucking rap.

00:23:47.900 They're all articulate.

00:23:49.180 They go to the Irish.

00:23:50.120 They're very intelligent,

00:23:50.980 but yes,

00:23:51.700 they're physical.

00:23:53.900 What's your style of parenting

00:23:55.000 your kids now?

00:23:55.700 What's your style of parenting them?

00:23:57.740 Responsibility.

00:23:58.520 Okay,

00:23:58.880 so give me some of the values.

00:24:00.380 Responsibility.

00:24:01.340 Listen,

00:24:03.020 sometimes,

00:24:04.140 you're not going to go on the plane

00:24:06.620 that you're by yourself.

00:24:07.840 They say,

00:24:08.060 are we going to go back on the plane

00:24:09.540 when it's just only us?

00:24:11.040 No,

00:24:11.520 because you didn't do really good today.

00:24:14.040 That's just how it is.

00:24:15.100 You know,

00:24:15.220 sometimes you got to,

00:24:16.020 and it always never fails

00:24:17.220 when you take something away

00:24:18.460 from somebody

00:24:19.040 that once they possessed it

00:24:20.200 and fell in love with it

00:24:21.140 and take it away.

00:24:22.620 I like doing that too.

00:24:23.740 You know,

00:24:24.060 once you take something away,

00:24:25.160 people go,

00:24:25.920 hey,

00:24:26.440 they get on their P's and Q's

00:24:27.660 quick, right?

00:24:28.700 They do the crying.

00:24:29.800 See the crying's not going to work.

00:24:30.820 I love you,

00:24:31.960 Dad.

00:24:35.720 To be able to do that,

00:24:37.420 it also takes a little bit

00:24:38.800 of knowing that you've got

00:24:40.080 to challenge this person

00:24:40.960 to improve their character

00:24:41.780 long term.

00:24:42.460 Hey,

00:24:42.620 listen,

00:24:43.000 right?

00:24:43.340 I have a 24-year-old son,

00:24:46.280 and every now and then

00:24:48.300 I see him,

00:24:48.740 he tries to wrestle with me.

00:24:50.040 He's bigger than me,

00:24:50.880 but he wrestles with me

00:24:52.000 and I tell him,

00:24:52.660 get your fucking hands off me.

00:24:57.580 I know what's in his mind.

00:24:59.780 I know what's in his mind.

00:25:01.100 I don't let him play

00:25:01.800 with me like that.

00:25:03.340 Are you joking with him

00:25:04.600 or you're dead serious?

00:25:05.340 No,

00:25:05.420 I'm dead serious.

00:25:05.740 Oh,

00:25:05.840 you're dead serious?

00:25:06.420 Yes,

00:25:06.960 I'm dead serious.

00:25:08.200 I mean,

00:25:10.220 I'm sure if somebody

00:25:11.580 was your son telling you,

00:25:12.840 get your hands off me,

00:25:13.800 they've got to listen to you.

00:25:15.220 Well,

00:25:15.440 listen,

00:25:16.760 listen,

00:25:17.360 for some reason,

00:25:20.620 when a young kid

00:25:21.800 feels that his mother,

00:25:23.420 they're not together,

00:25:24.140 even if they're together,

00:25:26.160 he feels that his mother,

00:25:27.340 they challenge you

00:25:28.560 for their mother love

00:25:29.380 any kind of way.

00:25:30.380 If you're sleeping with them,

00:25:31.240 they want to get in the middle

00:25:32.180 and they're babies

00:25:33.200 and the next thing

00:25:33.700 that you have an argument,

00:25:34.680 they want to defend her

00:25:35.640 and challenge you.

00:25:36.560 It's all about

00:25:37.420 that connection with them.

00:25:38.980 They feel they have

00:25:39.660 to protect their mother

00:25:40.560 and that's what,

00:25:42.760 you can't be mad at that,

00:25:43.960 so you got to go,

00:25:46.180 you got to pick your battles,

00:25:47.320 that's all,

00:25:47.760 that's what I'm saying.

00:25:48.600 I learned to do that

00:25:49.660 and I didn't know how to do that.

00:25:50.780 I learned how to bend.

00:25:51.740 What I've learned so far

00:25:52.760 is rule number one,

00:25:54.780 avoid the clubs.

00:25:55.740 That's number one,

00:25:56.460 right?

00:25:56.720 Avoid nightclubs.

00:25:57.980 I don't think that's her rule.

00:25:59.380 That's her rule.

00:26:00.240 That's not your rule.

00:26:02.980 Responsibility.

00:26:03.940 Take things away

00:26:04.860 when you give it to them.

00:26:05.640 Oh, my house?

00:26:05.700 I was just in my relationship,

00:26:07.720 my house,

00:26:08.120 I can't do anything.

00:26:09.560 You?

00:26:09.940 Yeah.

00:26:11.620 As far as, you know,

00:26:13.280 nightlife.

00:26:14.740 So, so boxing,

00:26:15.720 you're coming up.

00:26:16.380 You're coming up.

00:26:17.020 At 14,

00:26:17.740 you know you're going

00:26:18.100 to be a champion.

00:26:19.160 During that time,

00:26:19.860 whatever's Cuss telling you,

00:26:20.760 you're doing it,

00:26:21.220 you're not questioning it,

00:26:21.960 you're fully coachable to him,

00:26:22.980 you're committed to him,

00:26:23.560 you believe he can help

00:26:24.860 you become a champion.

00:26:25.780 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 What is your training?

00:26:27.060 But during that process,

00:26:28.020 I'm losing too.

00:26:30.040 I'm getting beat,

00:26:30.660 I'm getting knocked out.

00:26:31.540 I'm never getting

00:26:32.440 discouraged, though.

00:26:34.540 What does he tell you

00:26:35.220 after you lose?

00:26:35.820 Does he talk to you?

00:26:36.540 What does he tell you

00:26:37.180 after you lost?

00:26:38.180 Well, you know,

00:26:38.780 normally when I lose,

00:26:41.300 I look so spectacular.

00:26:42.700 He said,

00:26:43.060 they told me that you're moving

00:26:44.040 because I have five

00:26:45.220 or six fights.

00:26:45.880 I'm fighting guys

00:26:46.480 with 100 fights

00:26:47.220 or 60 fights

00:26:48.080 and I'm knocking them out

00:26:49.420 and they're grown men

00:26:50.400 and I'm just 14 years old.

00:26:52.040 So Cuss,

00:26:52.480 this guy beat me, right,

00:26:53.600 by decision.

00:26:54.500 He's 25 years old

00:26:55.560 and Cuss came to me

00:26:56.720 like I'm some little baby.

00:26:59.280 I'm like, hey,

00:27:00.020 I heard he was too small for him

00:27:01.100 but you beat him to this.

00:27:01.940 I said,

00:27:02.580 I'm in ninth grade, Cuss.

00:27:07.140 That's my whole life.

00:27:08.260 I was in ninth grade

00:27:09.260 and he's discussing

00:27:09.980 and he's dissertation

00:27:11.260 of what,

00:27:11.960 you did this

00:27:12.500 and I dictated this

00:27:13.540 and he's just all

00:27:14.660 in his head.

00:27:16.100 By the way,

00:27:16.880 the technical aspect

00:27:18.000 of boxing,

00:27:18.780 did you get that from him

00:27:19.940 or were you,

00:27:20.740 because when you talk boxing,

00:27:21.880 like I know you're

00:27:22.360 a big Duran fan,

00:27:23.600 you're very much

00:27:24.380 of a technical guy

00:27:25.240 when it comes to boxing.

00:27:25.800 Listen,

00:27:26.220 once I'm involved with something,

00:27:27.400 I want to know

00:27:27.880 the beginning of it.

00:27:28.720 I want to know

00:27:29.020 where it came from,

00:27:30.280 how it was started,

00:27:31.500 who's the first guy

00:27:32.280 that invented it.

00:27:33.460 That's just how

00:27:34.000 my mind works.

00:27:35.780 Yeah,

00:27:35.980 I've seen you train

00:27:37.360 a couple of the guys.

00:27:38.180 You would talk about

00:27:38.940 footwork,

00:27:39.940 you would talk about

00:27:40.620 how to punch him here,

00:27:41.340 how quickly you go below

00:27:42.460 to go there.

00:27:43.540 And you sound like

00:27:44.700 a mathematician

00:27:45.300 when you're talking

00:27:46.140 about the art of boxing.

00:27:47.700 Yeah,

00:27:48.120 I was born for it.

00:27:51.980 You were born for it.

00:27:53.000 You were born to fight.

00:27:54.400 I was born for it.

00:27:55.860 Nine years old,

00:27:57.600 you're bullying 20-year-olds.

00:27:58.960 I mean,

00:27:59.140 that's pretty impressive

00:27:59.960 right there.

00:28:00.660 Yeah,

00:28:01.080 I was a very impressive

00:28:01.900 young man.

00:28:02.440 I was this size

00:28:03.380 at 12 years old.

00:28:04.080 Everybody thought

00:28:04.400 I was going to be tall.

00:28:06.100 Wait,

00:28:06.340 you were this size

00:28:06.900 at 12 years old?

00:28:06.920 I was this size

00:28:07.460 at 200 pounds

00:28:08.100 at 12 years old.

00:28:12.000 I was,

00:28:12.520 listen,

00:28:12.840 I was fighting

00:28:14.060 the kids,

00:28:14.600 I was fighting

00:28:15.280 their fathers.

00:28:17.240 No,

00:28:17.640 I'm serious.

00:28:18.060 I was fighting

00:28:18.460 their fathers.

00:28:19.180 I was fighting

00:28:19.540 their fathers.

00:28:21.120 What do you mean

00:28:21.640 you were fighting

00:28:22.120 their fathers?

00:28:22.800 I might have

00:28:23.540 passed somebody

00:28:24.220 and I hit them

00:28:24.680 too hard.

00:28:25.120 He was crying,

00:28:25.680 went home

00:28:25.940 and got his father.

00:28:27.260 And then you would

00:28:28.080 be the wrong...

00:28:29.000 Listen,

00:28:30.900 my right-handed guard.

00:28:31.960 I'm telling the truth.

00:28:33.580 There's people out here

00:28:34.280 that have been

00:28:34.560 in that world.

00:28:35.100 They know what time

00:28:35.720 it is.

00:28:36.060 They know there's

00:28:36.500 people out there

00:28:37.260 that are animals,

00:28:38.680 they're little babies

00:28:39.600 because their family

00:28:40.740 were that way.

00:28:41.380 I had violent family.

00:28:42.880 My family was violent

00:28:43.920 and I'm violent.

00:28:45.260 Is it still in you

00:28:47.300 or it's left you?

00:28:48.260 Hey,

00:28:48.900 when I needed

00:28:49.460 it,

00:28:49.640 it comes back.

00:28:50.520 When you needed

00:28:51.000 it,

00:28:51.160 it comes back.

00:28:53.060 How many guys

00:28:53.720 watched the Roy Jones fight?

00:28:54.880 Anybody watch

00:28:55.400 the Roy Jones fight?

00:28:56.120 Yes or no?

00:28:56.940 By the way,

00:28:57.480 you looked really good

00:28:59.040 in that fight.

00:28:59.900 I was just happy

00:29:00.880 to be able

00:29:02.360 to entertain people

00:29:03.160 and I gave

00:29:03.740 a lot to charity.

00:29:05.500 Yeah,

00:29:05.700 but Mike,

00:29:06.500 with all seriousness,

00:29:07.340 you look like

00:29:08.080 you could hang

00:29:09.420 with a lot of

00:29:09.960 the younger guys

00:29:10.600 right now

00:29:10.900 that are boxing.

00:29:11.520 You didn't look like

00:29:12.160 you were struggling

00:29:13.140 in there.

00:29:13.760 I don't know,

00:29:14.160 but I like to push myself

00:29:15.320 so this time

00:29:15.960 I'll try Lennox Lewis.

00:29:18.220 It's Lennox Lewis

00:29:19.120 this time.

00:29:25.800 And then if this go well,

00:29:28.060 I'm going to push

00:29:28.560 myself deeper.

00:29:29.800 Who?

00:29:30.920 I don't know.

00:29:31.820 Maybe Tyson Fury.

00:29:33.940 He told me

00:29:34.280 if I keep winning

00:29:34.960 and if I do good,

00:29:35.740 it's my buddy.

00:29:38.860 No,

00:29:39.040 I know you guys

00:29:39.460 are buddies.

00:29:39.920 I've seen,

00:29:40.360 he's been on your podcast.

00:29:41.480 You guys have done

00:29:41.920 stuff together.

00:29:42.880 But you'd fight

00:29:43.500 Tyson Fury.

00:29:45.280 Hey,

00:29:45.500 I'd fight a lion

00:29:46.200 if the price is right.

00:29:49.900 Shit.

00:29:50.680 If the price is right.

00:29:54.720 I'd fight him.

00:29:56.500 Give me a break.

00:29:57.220 Would you literally

00:29:57.860 fight a lion

00:29:58.560 if the price is right?

00:29:59.680 Yeah.

00:29:59.920 You'd get in a ring

00:30:00.560 with a lion.

00:30:01.360 Cage match

00:30:02.000 with a lion.

00:30:02.560 I'm just saying,

00:30:03.480 listen,

00:30:03.660 I just can't help it.

00:30:04.860 I'm a glory freak.

00:30:06.120 I think,

00:30:06.680 yeah.

00:30:07.420 You would fight a lion?

00:30:08.560 Anything.

00:30:09.280 You know,

00:30:09.560 I raise lions.

00:30:11.120 No,

00:30:11.360 of course we know that.

00:30:12.100 We watch Engel.

00:30:12.700 Yeah.

00:30:12.980 No,

00:30:13.620 actually,

00:30:15.580 I had five lions

00:30:17.040 around 11 tigers

00:30:18.160 before.

00:30:19.560 You had a white one.

00:30:20.800 A couple of white ones.

00:30:21.720 A couple of white ones,

00:30:22.420 yeah.

00:30:22.920 What is it with you

00:30:23.900 with lions,

00:30:24.560 tigers,

00:30:24.840 and pigeons?

00:30:26.180 Listen.

00:30:26.540 Listen.

00:30:29.840 So listen,

00:30:30.520 I'm in prison.

00:30:31.800 I'm talking to my mechanic.

00:30:34.440 And so my mechanic

00:30:35.340 has some of my cars.

00:30:36.920 He's holding my cars.

00:30:37.920 And he's mad

00:30:38.640 at one of my friends.

00:30:39.500 So he said,

00:30:40.000 if Devante don't give me

00:30:40.940 my money back,

00:30:42.060 I'm going to trade

00:30:42.640 some of his cars in

00:30:43.800 for some animals,

00:30:44.620 like some horses.

00:30:45.540 I said,

00:30:46.080 what do you mean?

00:30:47.140 You can trade some,

00:30:48.060 you got some animals?

00:30:49.180 He said,

00:30:49.520 yeah,

00:30:49.820 this guy,

00:30:50.280 they had tigers

00:30:50.980 and lions.

00:30:51.720 I said,

00:30:51.920 what do you mean?

00:30:52.660 Cubs?

00:30:53.300 He said,

00:30:53.600 yeah,

00:30:53.980 white tigers

00:30:54.740 and white lions too.

00:30:56.120 And so I'm in prison.

00:30:56.920 By the time I get home

00:30:58.060 from prison,

00:30:59.280 I got two lion cubs,

00:31:00.540 two white tiger cubs

00:31:02.660 on my lawn.

00:31:05.000 How was that?

00:31:05.780 Like,

00:31:05.880 how big did they get with you?

00:31:07.000 Well,

00:31:07.160 they got to be 400 pounds.

00:31:10.680 I mean,

00:31:11.120 I've seen you walk around

00:31:12.500 when you were...

00:31:13.280 I sleep with them.

00:31:16.400 You sleep with lions?

00:31:17.760 Tigers.

00:31:18.260 Tigers.

00:31:18.920 You prefer tigers

00:31:19.920 over lions?

00:31:20.400 I prefer lions

00:31:21.280 over tigers.

00:31:21.740 I prefer lions

00:31:22.640 over tigers.

00:31:23.900 So they sleep

00:31:24.600 in your bed?

00:31:25.600 Yeah.

00:31:26.860 Only one at a time

00:31:27.840 because there's two

00:31:28.400 of them in their fight.

00:31:29.740 That kind of sounds strange

00:31:30.700 what you just said

00:31:31.300 right there.

00:31:32.400 I don't know if you know

00:31:33.380 it,

00:31:33.540 but you're in Vegas

00:31:34.120 when you say things

00:31:34.780 like that.

00:31:35.700 Yeah,

00:31:36.000 no,

00:31:36.220 because I was on a,

00:31:36.960 one day I was on one

00:31:38.180 of my,

00:31:39.640 who was the lady?

00:31:40.760 What's her name?

00:31:41.280 But anyway,

00:31:42.300 I was being interviewed

00:31:42.960 and I said,

00:31:43.500 I want to breed her

00:31:44.420 and have babies with her.

00:31:45.700 But they,

00:31:46.160 it looked like I wanted

00:31:47.220 to breed her

00:31:47.760 the way I said,

00:31:48.240 I want to breed her

00:31:48.900 and have babies with her.

00:31:49.580 And they said,

00:31:49.940 Mike,

00:31:50.340 what do you mean

00:31:50.860 you want to breed her?

00:31:52.820 I'm not good with words.

00:31:55.640 I'm not good with words.

00:31:58.060 Sleeping next to a tiger

00:31:59.460 when they roll over.

00:32:00.720 Did they ever roll over

00:32:01.440 your 400 pounds

00:32:02.160 or what was it like?

00:32:03.100 I mean,

00:32:03.260 are they like putting

00:32:03.820 their arms around you?

00:32:04.980 Are they purring

00:32:06.380 in the morning?

00:32:07.020 They control themselves.

00:32:07.800 They control their weight.

00:32:08.720 They know their balance.

00:32:09.780 They're very agile.

00:32:11.760 You know what a tiger

00:32:12.640 can do?

00:32:13.480 A tiger can run

00:32:14.100 full speed ahead

00:32:14.900 and run up the wall

00:32:15.600 and come back down

00:32:16.180 on the seats.

00:32:17.760 Come back on the seats.

00:32:19.580 And you want to sleep

00:32:21.440 with them?

00:32:21.940 No.

00:32:22.600 Huh?

00:32:22.900 And you want to sleep

00:32:23.500 with them in the same bed?

00:32:24.200 I'm the one

00:32:24.640 that brought them

00:32:25.000 out of his mother.

00:32:26.620 Yeah,

00:32:26.940 I want to sleep with them.

00:32:27.780 And the relationship

00:32:28.480 with the pigeons.

00:32:30.180 I'm curious

00:32:30.700 with the pigeon story.

00:32:31.380 That's just something

00:32:31.860 I've been doing

00:32:32.280 all my life.

00:32:33.000 You're entirely right?

00:32:33.580 I can't even explain that.

00:32:34.540 Is that a New York thing?

00:32:35.360 Is that a mob thing?

00:32:36.220 Did you get closer to the mob?

00:32:37.140 Because mob always had pigeons.

00:32:38.500 Like,

00:32:38.620 were you connected

00:32:39.140 to the gangsters a little bit?

00:32:40.320 Listen,

00:32:41.120 that's interesting.

00:32:41.900 Most gangsters,

00:32:42.460 that's a gangster thing.

00:32:43.360 Yeah.

00:32:43.480 When I went to Moscow

00:32:44.400 and I was asking,

00:32:44.860 do you know

00:32:45.420 the biggest pigeon fancier?

00:32:47.860 And it was all the mob guys.

00:32:49.000 These guys had,

00:32:49.860 the pigeon coops

00:32:50.680 were the biggest this,

00:32:51.640 like houses.

00:32:53.040 And they had acres,

00:32:54.020 the property,

00:32:54.920 as far as your eyes can see.

00:32:56.440 And I'm saying,

00:32:56.960 these are not normal people.

00:32:58.700 Because the SDS wasn't.

00:33:00.220 So yeah,

00:33:00.540 you're right.

00:33:00.920 They do a lot of gangsters

00:33:01.860 who have pigeons.

00:33:03.120 Yeah.

00:33:03.420 I don't know what,

00:33:04.000 maybe it's a messenger.

00:33:05.260 Maybe it's back in the day

00:33:06.920 so it was their way

00:33:07.460 of sending emails.

00:33:08.080 They had them before Christ.

00:33:10.800 Who's the guy?

00:33:11.640 It was Noah.

00:33:12.280 Noah with the Ark.

00:33:13.300 He had pigeons too.

00:33:14.180 Two of them.

00:33:15.200 Yeah.

00:33:15.460 Remember he let them out

00:33:16.180 and he got the,

00:33:16.800 he had pigeons too.

00:33:18.660 Pigeons too.

00:33:20.260 You're 14 to 21.

00:33:21.620 Cuss is training you.

00:33:22.620 No,

00:33:22.920 14 to 19.

00:33:24.180 Cuss passes away.

00:33:24.840 That's right.

00:33:25.120 I'm sorry.

00:33:25.420 14 to 19.

00:33:26.360 What's the training looking like?

00:33:27.700 How hard are you training

00:33:28.740 during that time?

00:33:29.900 I'm doing everything.

00:33:30.960 First thing in the morning,

00:33:32.320 three in the morning,

00:33:32.960 you do your four miles,

00:33:34.480 come back in.

00:33:34.980 Three in the morning?

00:33:35.800 Yeah.

00:33:37.540 Do your four miles,

00:33:38.420 come back in,

00:33:39.060 do your body exercise

00:33:40.160 and all that stuff.

00:33:41.220 Get in the hot tub,

00:33:42.700 go to bed,

00:33:43.380 or might watch some fight films.

00:33:44.940 I watch a lot of fight films.

00:33:46.200 That's why I'm very acute

00:33:48.740 with most of the fight.

00:33:49.540 Oh, yeah.

00:33:49.860 So after that,

00:33:52.780 I go out to eat breakfast,

00:33:54.580 go to the school,

00:33:56.340 come back from school,

00:33:58.180 eat my food,

00:34:00.020 my dinner,

00:34:00.920 go back to the gym

00:34:01.640 at six o'clock,

00:34:02.700 train,

00:34:03.240 come back at eight o'clock,

00:34:05.220 watch fights,

00:34:06.480 start all over again.

00:34:08.720 I do a lot of training.

00:34:10.020 I do a lot,

00:34:10.880 most of my gym work,

00:34:12.640 and I watch movies.

00:34:13.800 That's the most part of my life.

00:34:15.460 Which fight was it

00:34:16.680 where you were most excited

00:34:18.640 about when you won?

00:34:19.760 Is it the one

00:34:20.400 where you became the heavyweight?

00:34:21.360 Like, if you go back

00:34:22.000 and say,

00:34:22.760 my favorite fight

00:34:23.580 when I won was this one,

00:34:24.800 what was it?

00:34:25.440 Larry Holmes.

00:34:26.640 Larry Holmes.

00:34:27.480 Yes.

00:34:27.860 Is that because

00:34:28.300 what Ali whispered to you?

00:34:30.040 Because he beat Ali up

00:34:31.420 real bad.

00:34:32.700 And I was on the phone,

00:34:33.600 Cuss knew Ali,

00:34:34.360 so I talked to Ali

00:34:35.120 the day after the fight

00:34:36.380 he fought at Holmes.

00:34:37.820 And Cuss,

00:34:38.440 after this young black kid,

00:34:39.700 he's going to be champ,

00:34:40.440 I want you to talk to him.

00:34:41.480 And I'm crying on the phone.

00:34:42.940 He said,

00:34:43.220 I'm going to be back

00:34:43.880 and I'm going to fight Holmes again.

00:34:44.980 I'm going to knock him out.

00:34:45.760 And I'm crying.

00:34:46.500 When I get big,

00:34:47.300 I'm going to get him for you.

00:34:48.420 And he must say,

00:34:49.380 hey, kid,

00:34:49.620 you know who I am?

00:34:50.380 The greatest of all time.

00:34:51.460 This, that,

00:34:51.820 and this, that,

00:34:52.360 and that.

00:34:52.900 But that's why

00:34:53.460 I based my life.

00:34:54.220 That's my job

00:34:54.880 was to get Larry Holmes.

00:34:56.440 For Ali.

00:34:57.340 Yeah,

00:34:57.600 that's my whole purpose in life.

00:34:59.900 Wow.

00:35:00.920 Was there a rage

00:35:02.240 like when you fought against Holmes?

00:35:03.440 Was it like,

00:35:03.940 I'm going to destroy you?

00:35:05.040 Yeah.

00:35:05.240 Yeah.

00:35:05.780 I knew I had to.

00:35:07.700 Yeah,

00:35:08.060 because you seemed angry

00:35:08.920 in that fight.

00:35:09.440 Yeah,

00:35:09.620 I had to though.

00:35:10.780 He was a great fighter.

00:35:11.660 I'm a great admirer

00:35:12.340 with Larry Holmes too.

00:35:13.380 He's a magnificent fighter.

00:35:14.980 But it was just that thing.

00:35:17.280 When I saw that,

00:35:18.100 he beat the shit out of Ali.

00:35:20.460 Wasn't he his training guy?

00:35:21.760 He used to train with him.

00:35:21.940 He used to spar with Ali, yeah.

00:35:22.880 Sparring part, yeah.

00:35:23.600 They used to spar together.

00:35:24.840 So he kind of knew what...

00:35:26.880 Ali was old.

00:35:27.700 He was taking drugs

00:35:28.520 that made him lethargic.

00:35:30.260 Yeah.

00:35:32.160 He should have never did it.

00:35:33.300 But I guess,

00:35:34.260 by him doing that,

00:35:35.340 it would have never been me.

00:35:36.240 Unbelievable.

00:35:39.160 The inspiration.

00:35:40.400 How old was...

00:35:41.220 So you're 12 years old.

00:35:44.360 You see Ali.

00:35:46.320 From 12,

00:35:47.240 at 14,

00:35:48.080 you know you're going

00:35:48.700 to be heavyweight.

00:35:49.260 At 14,

00:35:49.880 I talked to Ali.

00:35:50.880 That's what I was going

00:35:51.500 to ask you.

00:35:51.880 So Ali,

00:35:52.460 he called you

00:35:53.140 because of Cus?

00:35:54.920 We had their friends.

00:35:56.300 They knew each other

00:35:56.760 for years.

00:35:58.120 And one of the people

00:35:59.280 that was with Cus

00:36:00.460 called Ali

00:36:02.500 to talk to Cus.

00:36:03.560 He wanted to talk

00:36:04.260 to Cus about something.

00:36:05.340 And first thing

00:36:07.460 I heard Cus,

00:36:07.900 why you let that bump

00:36:08.840 beat you like that?

00:36:09.880 Oh, I started crying.

00:36:12.240 When you became

00:36:12.940 the heavyweight champion?

00:36:13.980 Yeah.

00:36:14.400 First phone call afterwards,

00:36:15.340 who'd you talk to?

00:36:16.880 You remember?

00:36:17.720 Camille Lee Wall.

00:36:19.560 Cus is...

00:36:21.440 I don't know,

00:36:22.580 what did he say?

00:36:23.280 His living in love

00:36:25.200 with his wife.

00:36:27.980 First person.

00:36:28.700 First person you talked to

00:36:29.540 after you won.

00:36:30.480 Yeah.

00:36:30.940 What was it like

00:36:31.480 when Cus passed away?

00:36:32.360 Like how did your handle

00:36:32.960 when it first stopped?

00:36:33.660 Not good.

00:36:35.340 Not good.

00:36:38.500 Did the focus go away?

00:36:40.160 Did the...

00:36:40.500 No, it intensified.

00:36:41.980 Oh, really?

00:36:43.260 Yeah.

00:36:44.420 When you think so?

00:36:45.800 I would think so,

00:36:46.600 but how did you manage

00:36:47.400 that rage at that point?

00:36:49.240 Like when you're going

00:36:49.960 to that point now,

00:36:50.660 how do you manage

00:36:51.300 that rage?

00:36:51.860 Because...

00:36:52.240 I don't know.

00:36:52.840 My whole objective

00:36:53.680 is your total surrender,

00:36:55.260 your total domination.

00:36:56.460 I'm going to destroy you.

00:36:57.380 That's the mind.

00:36:59.880 That's why Rogan said

00:37:00.920 when he watched you,

00:37:01.980 you were intimidating.

00:37:03.020 You know,

00:37:03.940 your rage

00:37:04.700 is a very unique rage,

00:37:06.380 Mike.

00:37:07.080 Well, that's their fault

00:37:07.900 to be intimidated.

00:37:09.360 That's their fault

00:37:10.020 to be intimidated?

00:37:10.600 Yeah.

00:37:11.740 Wow.

00:37:12.540 What an answer to give.

00:37:14.600 Oh, my God.

00:37:16.720 That's their fault

00:37:17.540 to be intimidated.

00:37:18.180 How are you going

00:37:18.620 to let somebody scare you

00:37:19.400 for something you worked for?

00:37:21.400 Wow.

00:37:21.720 You have to give it to them

00:37:22.780 without a struggle.

00:37:24.200 Without a struggle,

00:37:25.400 you have to give it to them.

00:37:27.580 Mike, your wisdom

00:37:28.640 is on a whole different level, man.

00:37:29.980 You say some stuff

00:37:30.820 that you're like,

00:37:31.580 you know,

00:37:31.900 you're saying like speaking.

00:37:33.400 You say some stuff.

00:37:34.160 It's very simple.

00:37:35.180 It's just,

00:37:35.420 it's,

00:37:36.600 what do they say?

00:37:38.040 It's elementary,

00:37:38.920 isn't it?

00:37:40.100 I don't know about that.

00:37:41.240 You've lived a life

00:37:41.920 of a lot of people.

00:37:43.020 Everybody here

00:37:43.500 is going to fight

00:37:44.100 for what they love for.

00:37:45.880 Even if they never

00:37:46.620 had a fist fight

00:37:47.420 in their life,

00:37:47.920 they're going to fight.

00:37:50.220 Mike,

00:37:50.680 I'm sitting here,

00:37:51.500 I'm thinking,

00:37:52.180 hey,

00:37:52.440 I want to,

00:37:52.920 in a different industry,

00:37:53.940 okay,

00:37:54.420 I want to be the best

00:37:55.480 of the best of the best.

00:37:56.240 Like,

00:37:56.420 you became a heavyweight champion,

00:37:57.700 youngest ever.

00:37:58.800 If I want to be the best

00:38:00.200 in my sport,

00:38:01.060 say this business,

00:38:02.220 what tips would you give me?

00:38:03.140 I want to be the best

00:38:04.600 in our business,

00:38:05.600 this business.

00:38:06.340 This is insurance,

00:38:07.260 they're building their businesses.

00:38:08.580 But just the mindset

00:38:09.420 of wanting to be the best.

00:38:10.700 What is the mindset

00:38:11.440 you can transfer

00:38:12.100 to somebody being a best?

00:38:12.880 I just want to find

00:38:13.740 out the first guy

00:38:14.400 that really,

00:38:14.880 really succeeded on this shit,

00:38:16.100 probably 1900

00:38:17.000 or something like that.

00:38:18.180 Even if he was a crook,

00:38:20.240 just go from there

00:38:21.160 and go all the way there

00:38:23.740 and read all the way

00:38:25.120 until you get to you.

00:38:27.520 Okay?

00:38:28.240 So one study history.

00:38:29.580 Yeah,

00:38:30.080 study it until it gets to you.

00:38:32.580 And then you realize

00:38:33.600 those people

00:38:34.180 were just you

00:38:34.820 in funny clothes.

00:38:43.060 Okay.

00:38:43.760 So one,

00:38:44.820 fantastic.

00:38:45.720 I got to go study history.

00:38:46.780 Everybody that came before me,

00:38:48.000 what else do I do?

00:38:49.480 Then you watch,

00:38:50.740 you read everything they did.

00:38:52.760 Now you practice it.

00:38:54.440 Now let's see

00:38:54.940 what this shit really works.

00:38:56.060 Can you teach desire

00:39:01.880 or the desire

00:39:02.720 has to come from somebody?

00:39:04.800 You can inspire desire,

00:39:07.180 but can you teach it?

00:39:08.180 I don't know.

00:39:08.880 I never had to try

00:39:09.700 to teach anybody that.

00:39:11.620 Nobody had to teach you

00:39:12.520 the fire

00:39:12.860 because you had it.

00:39:13.520 It was within you.

00:39:14.980 Well,

00:39:15.320 no,

00:39:15.500 it wasn't definitely

00:39:16.300 within me.

00:39:17.180 Somebody had to bring it out

00:39:18.620 and show that I deserve

00:39:19.740 to have what I feel.

00:39:21.380 I had to learn self-love.

00:39:22.820 You know,

00:39:24.220 no,

00:39:24.400 I don't care how great you are

00:39:25.520 or how much you succeed.

00:39:26.860 Without self-love,

00:39:27.760 you're nothing

00:39:28.240 because self-love

00:39:29.660 is discipline

00:39:30.380 and discipline

00:39:31.800 is doing what you hate to do,

00:39:32.980 but do it like you love it.

00:39:39.720 You know,

00:39:40.820 why?

00:39:41.280 Isn't it?

00:39:41.700 No,

00:39:41.900 I agree with you,

00:39:42.700 Mike.

00:39:42.920 I totally agree with you.

00:39:44.980 You've recreated yourself

00:39:46.340 many times.

00:39:46.940 You've reinvented yourself

00:39:47.960 many times.

00:39:48.500 What's the byproduct of that?

00:39:49.480 I know.

00:39:50.400 You believe that.

00:39:51.220 You hear it so much

00:39:52.040 you really believe

00:39:52.680 that I reinvented myself.

00:39:53.080 You don't think

00:39:53.520 you've reinvented yourself?

00:39:54.800 You don't think

00:39:55.440 you've reinvented yourself?

00:39:56.740 No,

00:39:57.120 I think all the people

00:39:57.980 that wanted me to be down

00:39:58.960 is dead now.

00:40:00.240 All the people

00:40:00.880 that wanted you to be down?

00:40:01.560 You know,

00:40:02.020 executives,

00:40:02.740 certain people,

00:40:03.780 tax people.

00:40:04.780 This lady kept calling,

00:40:05.800 Mike,

00:40:05.980 you don't got anything

00:40:06.660 to give us?

00:40:08.480 It's the tax law.

00:40:09.300 You wouldn't let me,

00:40:10.000 wouldn't let me cut my back

00:40:12.200 and then they died

00:40:13.000 and the next thing you know,

00:40:13.940 I didn't have to pay taxes

00:40:14.880 no more.

00:40:15.180 So this lady was just

00:40:15.740 busting my balls.

00:40:17.600 I'm serious.

00:40:18.700 Because eventually,

00:40:19.420 right,

00:40:19.640 in taxes,

00:40:20.100 you don't pay

00:40:20.700 a certain amount of time,

00:40:22.000 like 10 years,

00:40:22.680 so I don't pay.

00:40:23.320 You don't have no money?

00:40:24.100 Okay,

00:40:24.380 Mike,

00:40:24.540 we'll cut this off.

00:40:25.240 Can you pay us now?

00:40:26.060 I said,

00:40:26.260 not yet.

00:40:27.180 So when it's down to like,

00:40:28.180 what,

00:40:28.760 3 million,

00:40:29.320 2 million,

00:40:29.720 I might be able

00:40:30.440 to pay you now.

00:40:32.300 You know,

00:40:32.640 if anybody had tax problems,

00:40:33.760 you know,

00:40:33.880 they take it off,

00:40:34.620 you know,

00:40:35.080 they take a little off here.

00:40:36.520 You just got to be patient.

00:40:37.560 Oh,

00:40:37.740 you know,

00:40:38.180 it came from 60

00:40:38.980 to like three.

00:40:40.120 You just,

00:40:41.320 half the room's not going

00:40:42.140 to pay taxes

00:40:42.860 for three years.

00:40:43.540 They're going to be like,

00:40:44.080 I'm going to wait.

00:40:44.980 I was surprised

00:40:46.000 they didn't take my house

00:40:47.040 or take,

00:40:47.600 I was waiting for them

00:40:48.860 to take stuff

00:40:49.500 and they didn't take any.

00:40:50.680 I don't,

00:40:51.000 fuck.

00:40:53.080 Mike,

00:40:53.640 a lot of people

00:40:54.540 have come in

00:40:55.300 when they see somebody winning,

00:40:56.700 you know,

00:40:57.220 Charles Osnavore,

00:40:58.320 I don't know if you know him.

00:40:58.940 He's an Armenian singer.

00:40:59.860 I saw him perform

00:41:00.420 at 19,

00:41:01.220 at 90 years old.

00:41:02.820 He said,

00:41:03.320 when I was making money

00:41:04.300 and coming up,

00:41:04.900 he says,

00:41:05.580 I was married five times

00:41:06.900 and I saw a lot of people

00:41:07.960 that acted like

00:41:08.720 they wanted the best for me,

00:41:09.680 but it was very hard

00:41:10.440 to realize

00:41:10.880 at the end of the day,

00:41:11.960 there was really only five people

00:41:13.040 I can trust the most

00:41:13.780 because everybody wanted

00:41:14.560 to kind of take stuff from me.

00:41:15.880 How do you differentiate

00:41:16.920 the difference,

00:41:17.660 you know,

00:41:17.980 between flattery

00:41:19.360 and compliment?

00:41:20.360 Mike,

00:41:20.640 you're so amazing.

00:41:21.480 Mike,

00:41:21.720 you're this.

00:41:22.460 What's flattery?

00:41:23.180 What's a compliment to you?

00:41:23.940 You have to know

00:41:24.480 who you are first.

00:41:25.620 Okay.

00:41:26.420 First,

00:41:26.920 if you know who you are,

00:41:28.700 it depends

00:41:29.580 if you want to be flattered.

00:41:31.540 You know,

00:41:31.720 it's up to you.

00:41:32.420 You know,

00:41:32.640 everybody knows,

00:41:33.480 you know,

00:41:33.880 I know who I am.

00:41:35.220 People say,

00:41:35.860 you're the greatest all the time.

00:41:36.820 You're this,

00:41:37.180 you're that.

00:41:37.700 Whatever they say,

00:41:38.480 I know who I am,

00:41:40.520 you know,

00:41:41.540 and I don't,

00:41:42.540 that's who I am.

00:41:44.640 I don't,

00:41:45.080 I flatter a lot of people.

00:41:46.460 Yeah,

00:41:46.620 I can't say that.

00:41:47.360 Yeah,

00:41:47.460 I do flatter a lot of people.

00:41:49.140 You flatter a lot of people.

00:41:50.240 Yeah.

00:41:50.920 Do you let people?

00:41:51.740 So many great people,

00:41:52.700 you have to.

00:41:53.520 Sure,

00:41:54.360 sure,

00:41:54.680 but flattery,

00:41:55.340 you know,

00:41:55.520 compliment flattery,

00:41:56.540 and I guess the angle

00:41:57.620 I'm taking with this

00:41:58.380 is what did you look at people

00:42:01.740 to let them into you?

00:42:03.300 Meaning,

00:42:04.140 you know,

00:42:04.380 I like this guy,

00:42:05.000 trust him,

00:42:05.300 I'm going to let him in.

00:42:05.840 What was your formula

00:42:06.700 to let people in?

00:42:07.980 Because the bigger you get,

00:42:08.940 you can't let too many people in,

00:42:10.500 right?

00:42:11.080 So how do you process

00:42:12.080 who you let in?

00:42:13.500 Who do you keep out?

00:42:14.700 Right.

00:42:16.220 By knowing who to keep out.

00:42:18.260 I don't know,

00:42:18.940 who do you keep out?

00:42:19.900 I'm asking you.

00:42:21.620 I'm a strong believer

00:42:22.680 that everybody you fight

00:42:23.740 is not your enemy,

00:42:24.580 and everybody that helps you

00:42:25.980 is your friend.

00:42:27.800 You know?

00:42:28.660 Not everybody you fight

00:42:29.820 is your enemy

00:42:30.380 and everybody that helps you

00:42:31.500 is your friend.

00:42:32.720 Not everybody who helps you

00:42:34.120 is your friend.

00:42:37.280 Mike,

00:42:37.740 your wisdom's

00:42:38.300 on a different level.

00:42:39.080 No,

00:42:39.340 because you,

00:42:40.000 you know,

00:42:40.300 you put it out

00:42:41.640 to your wisdom

00:42:42.240 at a level.

00:42:42.920 You gave me the question.

00:42:45.520 The question,

00:42:46.620 the depth

00:42:47.420 is the question.

00:42:48.320 Yeah.

00:42:49.320 The answer just goes

00:42:50.460 with the question.

00:42:52.080 Doesn't hold any more weight.

00:42:53.500 It just goes

00:42:54.000 with the deafness

00:42:54.800 of the question.

00:42:57.400 At this point,

00:42:58.320 where you are,

00:42:58.960 okay,

00:42:59.220 what you're doing,

00:43:00.940 fighting,

00:43:01.420 are you still enjoying

00:43:02.080 watching fights?

00:43:02.780 Are you still enjoying

00:43:03.400 watching boxing,

00:43:04.320 UFC?

00:43:04.860 Absolutely.

00:43:05.480 You do?

00:43:05.900 Who do you like watching?

00:43:06.980 I like watching all the fights.

00:43:08.560 I like watching Tango.

00:43:10.100 I like Tyson Fury.

00:43:11.660 I like Devin Haney.

00:43:14.540 I like this young guy,

00:43:16.920 Steven Shakur.

00:43:18.440 There's a bunch

00:43:19.020 of little fighters.

00:43:19.940 They need to start

00:43:20.680 fighting each other now.

00:43:22.700 Is there a favorite

00:43:23.440 weight class you like

00:43:24.340 to watch at this point

00:43:25.060 or it doesn't matter for you?

00:43:25.980 You just like to see

00:43:26.580 good fights.

00:43:27.480 Exciting fights.

00:43:28.360 Got it.

00:43:28.860 In UFC,

00:43:29.480 what do you like?

00:43:29.700 You like watching Conor

00:43:30.840 or you like watching...

00:43:32.260 I like Conor's number one.

00:43:33.740 Yeah,

00:43:33.800 I like him all.

00:43:34.900 Conor's number one for you.

00:43:35.740 I'm a big fan,

00:43:36.360 yeah.

00:43:37.300 You think he's going

00:43:37.780 to make a big comeback?

00:43:39.620 Normally,

00:43:40.180 when you get an injury

00:43:40.720 like that,

00:43:41.220 it's tough.

00:43:41.860 Those are tough injuries.

00:43:43.640 Overcome.

00:43:45.200 They continue to come back

00:43:46.220 because you continue

00:43:46.820 doing the same thing,

00:43:47.820 kicking.

00:43:48.080 You have to kick to win.

00:43:49.360 If you don't,

00:43:50.760 you have the fear

00:43:51.300 of possibly breaking it again.

00:43:53.700 He made a lot of money.

00:43:55.440 If it's money,

00:43:57.300 he has to do some other stuff,

00:43:58.420 some announcing

00:43:59.020 and do some other stuff.

00:44:00.460 He's really advantageous.

00:44:03.280 Just be who he is.

00:44:04.460 He's going to always

00:44:05.060 have something cool to do.

00:44:06.860 He's always going

00:44:07.440 to have something cool to do.

00:44:08.720 I saw him the other

00:44:09.280 post a picture

00:44:09.920 of a nice Lambo yacht he bought.

00:44:11.280 I don't know

00:44:11.540 if you saw that or not.

00:44:12.200 Well,

00:44:12.420 I don't know.

00:44:13.860 If that means he's rich,

00:44:14.940 that means the show

00:44:15.560 that he's spending a lot of money.

00:44:16.660 He's spending a lot of money.

00:44:21.360 Any advice

00:44:22.120 for someone who's starting,

00:44:23.040 because some of our guys

00:44:23.800 are starting to make

00:44:24.320 a lot of money,

00:44:24.900 millions of dollars,

00:44:25.660 but they got kids,

00:44:26.540 they got families.

00:44:27.140 What advice would you give

00:44:27.880 to somebody

00:44:28.260 that starts making

00:44:28.820 a lot of money,

00:44:29.540 money they've never made before?

00:44:31.580 There's always some trust funds

00:44:33.200 and trust funds

00:44:34.060 and organizations.

00:44:36.360 From what I learned

00:44:37.300 from all of the robber barons,

00:44:39.480 say,

00:44:39.740 turn of the century,

00:44:41.220 150 years ago,

00:44:42.620 Rockefeller,

00:44:43.360 Rothschild.

00:44:43.780 And before then,

00:44:45.220 like in 1850,

00:44:48.120 there might have been

00:44:48.980 500 of the families.

00:44:51.160 1900 may have been

00:44:52.000 2,000 or whatever

00:44:53.320 percentage families.

00:44:57.020 But now you've seen

00:44:57.720 that the names,

00:44:58.340 they're still out,

00:44:58.840 but the names are 5%.

00:45:00.020 You don't see too many

00:45:01.000 of those old guys.

00:45:02.740 You used to say

00:45:03.000 Rockefeller,

00:45:03.900 Rothschild.

00:45:04.580 Now it's all about

00:45:06.160 this Silicon City money.

00:45:10.440 But you notice

00:45:11.100 when I was trying to say

00:45:13.240 that it's an art

00:45:14.600 in taking care of money

00:45:15.660 because only a few

00:45:16.860 of those guys

00:45:17.400 that were robbing barons

00:45:19.540 back in the 1890s

00:45:20.860 and stuff like that,

00:45:21.840 only a handful

00:45:22.980 still survive now.

00:45:25.140 So normally,

00:45:26.060 the third or second generation,

00:45:27.500 all that billion,

00:45:28.180 their money,

00:45:28.480 their money goes away.

00:45:30.480 Second,

00:45:31.000 third generation,

00:45:31.620 the billion of money

00:45:32.160 goes away.

00:45:32.440 because these guys

00:45:33.080 don't work hard for it.

00:45:34.280 They don't understand

00:45:35.080 the value of it.

00:45:36.320 Guys, did you hear

00:45:36.980 what he just said?

00:45:37.800 Oh my God.

00:45:39.140 You know,

00:45:39.440 nowadays,

00:45:39.960 kids know the value

00:45:40.940 of everything,

00:45:41.600 but they don't know

00:45:41.940 the price of everything,

00:45:43.360 but they don't know

00:45:43.680 the value of anything.

00:45:44.580 You gotta save money,

00:45:45.600 not spend money.

00:45:46.840 I used to be a guy

00:45:47.540 that spend money

00:45:48.260 all the time.

00:45:49.380 And then I said,

00:45:50.320 oh, shit.

00:45:51.740 When I didn't have it,

00:45:52.640 I wanted it.

00:45:53.180 Now I have it.

00:45:53.820 I don't want this shit.

00:45:55.680 And that's what

00:45:56.380 sometimes people have

00:45:57.260 to deal with.

00:45:57.680 They have to deal

00:45:58.120 with survivors,

00:45:59.080 remorse,

00:45:59.600 and all that stuff.

00:46:00.960 Everybody knows

00:46:01.760 that he's got shot,

00:46:02.900 died of ODs,

00:46:04.000 and I made it.

00:46:05.240 I'm big time.

00:46:06.300 I can get anybody

00:46:07.100 I want.

00:46:07.460 I can do anything

00:46:08.020 I want.

00:46:08.720 Who the fuck

00:46:09.520 do I think I am?

00:46:12.020 You know?

00:46:13.080 So it comes back

00:46:13.860 to really submitting

00:46:15.540 to God,

00:46:16.400 to the energy,

00:46:17.300 the universe.

00:46:18.440 Wow.

00:46:18.980 Definitely.

00:46:19.520 That was powerful.

00:46:20.680 Mike.

00:46:22.840 Top five,

00:46:23.980 in your opinion.

00:46:25.400 I saw your interview.

00:46:26.900 I've seen your interview

00:46:27.700 with Arsenio Hall

00:46:28.640 when, I think it's,

00:46:29.900 is it Sugar Ray

00:46:30.780 and Ali?

00:46:31.360 Yeah.

00:46:31.840 It's so beautiful,

00:46:32.820 that interview.

00:46:33.440 The way,

00:46:34.180 what he says about you,

00:46:35.240 what you say about him,

00:46:35.980 you can tell there was

00:46:36.740 a very strong affinity

00:46:38.080 between both of you

00:46:39.420 and, you know,

00:46:41.420 Muhammad Ali

00:46:42.280 talking about the fact

00:46:43.180 that this is the man

00:46:43.900 he doesn't want to fight

00:46:44.780 and then him saying

00:46:45.380 I wouldn't be who I am

00:46:46.120 without you.

00:46:46.760 If you haven't seen it,

00:46:47.380 you got to watch it.

00:46:48.360 Top five greatest boxer

00:46:49.420 of all time

00:46:49.780 in your opinion.

00:46:51.860 Ali, Ali, Ali, Ali, Ali.

00:46:54.040 That's it, Ali.

00:46:55.380 At the top.

00:46:57.480 Awesome.

00:46:57.840 Well, Mike,

00:46:59.520 I know many of us

00:47:00.880 were looking forward

00:47:01.700 to you coming out

00:47:02.500 as a guest.

00:47:03.180 How many of you guys

00:47:03.540 enjoyed this

00:47:04.100 sit-down with Tyson?

00:47:06.580 Mike,

00:47:07.100 appreciate you so much

00:47:08.340 for coming out.

00:47:09.060 Thank you again

00:47:09.620 for willing to do this,

00:47:10.560 brother.

00:47:11.180 Appreciate it.

00:47:12.060 Really enjoyed it.

00:47:13.280 Amen.

00:47:13.820 Thank you, brother.

00:47:14.700 This was great.

00:47:15.820 Thank you.

00:47:16.320 This has to be by far

00:47:17.820 one of my favorite

00:47:18.460 interviews I've ever done

00:47:19.220 in my life.

00:47:19.660 If you enjoyed it

00:47:20.200 as much as I did,

00:47:20.880 give it a thumbs up.

00:47:22.160 And I have two other

00:47:22.900 interviews that I think

00:47:23.580 you'll like.

00:47:23.960 One of them was with

00:47:24.520 Teddy Atlas,

00:47:25.060 his former trainer.

00:47:25.840 If you've never seen

00:47:26.440 it, click over here.

00:47:27.400 And the other one

00:47:28.000 is with Buster Douglas,

00:47:28.980 the controversial victory

00:47:30.120 over Mike Tyson.

00:47:30.880 The first time he beat him.

00:47:31.940 If you've not seen that,

00:47:32.960 click over here as well.

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Valuetainment - September 08, 2021

Mike Tyson’s Greatest Stories Never Told Before

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