Valuetainment - July 17, 2026


“Playing God” - Surrogate Faces Lawsuit After Refusing to Abort Baby


Episode Stats


Length

13 minutes

Words per minute

177.14

Word count

2,353

Sentence count

106

Harmful content

Misogyny

8

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Toxicity

6

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Hate speech

18

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Summary

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A Canadian couple is suing the surrogate who carried their now 2-year-old son after she refused their request to terminate the pregnancy over a cleft lip and possible minor heart defect. The lawsuit filed in Ontario Superior Court in May alleges the surrogate failed to keep the parents adequately informed, endangered the child, violated confidentiality, and caused emotional distress.

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00:00:30.000 Next story is this same-sex refuse to take the baby from a surrogate 0.51
00:00:36.360 because she did not want to abort the baby. 0.68
00:00:40.100 I mean, this is, when I'm reading this story to you,
00:00:42.660 there's a part of me that's like, wait a minute,
00:00:43.940 is this real story that I'm reading?
00:00:46.360 It's a real story.
00:00:47.160 So let me give you the facts, and then we'll get into it
00:00:49.240 because there's a lot of angles this can go.
00:00:52.920 So same-sex couples, a su-surrogate who refused to abort their 2-year-old son
00:00:57.160 over a minor birth defect, and this is a New York Post story.
00:01:03.540 Vinny, I'm going to come to you first on this one.
00:01:05.800 So a Canadian couple is suing the surrogate who carried their now 2-year-old son
00:01:09.500 after she refused their request to terminate the pregnancy over a cleft lip
00:01:14.240 and possible minor heart defect.
00:01:16.300 The lawsuit filed in Ontario Superior Court in May alleges the surrogate
00:01:19.960 failed to keep the parents adequately informed, endangered the child,
00:01:23.960 violated confidentiality, and caused emotional distress.
00:01:27.680 The filing does not specify damage,
00:01:31.080 but the surrogate said the couple indicated
00:01:32.620 they were seeking approximately $600,000.
00:01:36.960 They didn't get the perfect child they wanted,
00:01:38.980 and they threw me away, she said.
00:01:42.320 The surrogate convinced through IVF using a donated egg and embryos
00:01:46.540 created with both men's sperm. 0.89
00:01:48.720 Oh, my goodness.
00:01:49.640 Their relationship deteriorated in June of 2024
00:01:51.840 after an ultrasound at 22 weeks indicated a cleft lip
00:01:55.280 and possible cleft palate and minor heart defects.
00:01:59.480 Citing their surrogacy agreement, the couple requested an abortion.
00:02:02.740 The surrogate said she would have terminated a pregnancy
00:02:05.240 if the child were unlikely to survive
00:02:06.920 but would not do it for a largely cosmetic and treatable condition.
00:02:10.720 The couple agreed to continue the pregnancy after Mount Sinai.
00:02:13.820 Hospital doctors determined the baby was generally healthy.
00:02:16.960 Tensions resurfaced when the surrogate insisted
00:02:19.500 on a midwife-assisted home birth
00:02:21.540 despite the parents' request for hospital
00:02:23.580 delivery. The baby experienced breathing difficulties
00:02:25.740 but recovered after receiving oxygen
00:02:27.320 and was taken to a hospital by ambulance
00:02:29.560 after taking their son home.
00:02:31.500 The parents ended contact with a surrogate.
00:02:33.760 She sought roughly $10,000
00:02:35.600 in unpaid expenses, lost wages, transportation 0.66
00:02:37.740 costs, and missed pensions contributions.
00:02:39.840 When she pursued the dispute in small
00:02:41.680 claims court, she learned the contract
00:02:43.680 required arbitration and was 0.94
00:02:45.720 subsequently sued for
00:02:47.640 $600,000. Vinny.
00:02:48.880 God bless her
00:02:51.240 And good for her Pat
00:02:52.560 This is exactly what happens 0.99
00:02:54.520 When we start treating children
00:02:56.440 Like freaking property
00:02:58.060 Instead of people
00:02:59.180 You already know where I stand
00:03:00.400 Because me and you are on the same spot 1.00
00:03:02.280 Against the gay couples that are buying these kids 1.00
00:03:05.180 And doing all this money 1.00
00:03:06.700 I'm not a fan of it at all 1.00
00:03:09.440 You can sign a contract with a surrogate 1.00
00:03:11.700 You can enter into legal agreements 0.94
00:03:13.440 You can negotiate responsibilities
00:03:14.920 And financial obligations
00:03:16.360 But the moment that new life is created
00:03:18.680 it's no longer subject to a contract okay that child that you're doing this and your sperm and 0.98
00:03:25.100 his sperm and a woman that belongs to god now and you already know where i stand pat every child is
00:03:30.540 made every one of us every child is made the image of god a cliff lip doesn't erase that okay it
00:03:36.820 doesn't reduce the child's value it does doesn't justify murdering this thing because oh the the
00:03:42.460 the the dynamics of the kid are not the way that i want it since when did a birth defect become
00:03:47.720 something to it like you get to live or die it starts with a cleft lip and then you know next
00:03:51.960 is down syndrome next is something oh his foot is different i don't like it they're not custom
00:03:56.600 orders this isn't freaking amazon this isn't build-a-bear okay they're not products that
00:04:01.480 can be rejected pat thank god thank god and i'm assuming hopefully she's a christian she stood up
00:04:07.400 and she had the courage to stand on her convictions and say no okay and because of her that little boy
00:04:13.320 alive today and and i think murder shouldn't be an option murder should not be an option okay
00:04:19.360 god doesn't give any of us anything that we can't handle okay and there's surgeries that you can do
00:04:24.180 i i've seen multiple multiple uh websites with doctors that they can fix they could try to help
00:04:30.560 uh that cleft lip pat and that's why we have to fight and again going back to the role role versus
00:04:35.920 wade uh you know dobs and all that stuff if it's not us fighting for these children pat who's going
00:04:41.360 to do it they can't speak for themselves they can't do it we have to defend them tom what do
00:04:45.780 you have with this um well let me give you some some names here jesse jackson uh rumored winston
00:04:55.340 churchill lee raymond who is the chairman and ceo of um exxon that built it in the largest
00:05:00.800 in the largest most profitable company in the world at the time they all were born with cleft
00:05:05.200 lips you may not agree with jesse jackson or agree with lee raymond the industrialist and the
00:05:10.660 The Winston Churchill thing is a little bit disputed, but what if we just started erasing people from history or never having them at all?
00:05:17.680 Because when a baby is born, it's snuffed out because it's deemed to be not perfect.
00:05:22.120 Look at the people over time that we wouldn't have had.
00:05:25.000 By the way, the scans of the sarcophagus seem to indicate that King Tut possibly not only had a cleft lip, but a full cleft palate.
00:05:33.180 And so if you want to just go for surrogacy and then eliminate people with even the most minor of the defects, you are missing the opportunity to see how that person grows up under the leadership of loving parents who want the child and maybe overcomes the deficiency or a thing like this to just be an absolute beacon to the rest of us.
00:06:02.260 on the absolute amazing human spirit of achievement
00:06:07.160 and overcoming disability and things.
00:06:09.680 We miss that opportunity.
00:06:11.360 We miss that episode.
00:06:12.600 We all look like 1970s, the Stepford Wives 0.99
00:06:16.000 that were all like robotic and all looked alike.
00:06:18.220 I'm sorry.
00:06:19.320 The diversity that is among us racially, ethnically
00:06:23.380 was all ordained by God and we're missing opportunities.
00:06:27.100 And this just shows when you turn having a child
00:06:30.100 into buying a coach purse that oh this one's got a can i get a discount this one's got a little
00:06:35.720 defect on it it's just it disgusts me because you're playing with god you're not playing with
00:06:40.860 us you're playing you're playing with a program above your pay grade yep adam i i fully agree
00:06:49.720 with tom and vinnie this story is getting me more upset the more that we talk about it because as 0.64
00:06:55.940 we're kind of like peeling the onion and seeing what's going on here these two gay men designer 0.68
00:07:01.680 baby uh by the way the child's right the child's a human now two years old he might end up hearing 0.89
00:07:10.140 this story that his parents wanted him aborted and as you as you peel back the onion at 22 weeks
00:07:17.760 they wanted her to abort the child because he had a potential cleft lip is that what it was guys
00:07:24.520 yep and 22 weeks listen you're over halfway there that baby if you see the image is a full-on human
00:07:32.320 at that point this is no longer an embryo you can't even make the debate do you by the way
00:07:36.540 do you know what percentage of abortions are done after 20 weeks 1% so the biggest thing here is
00:07:43.960 you have these two gay men who have no idea what it's like for this woman to be pregnant she
00:07:49.000 obviously has an emotional attachment to it she's like yeah I'm not gonna abort the baby because it 1.00
00:07:53.680 may have a cleft lip and you could just see these gays back yeah we want that baby gone are you 0.97
00:07:58.500 kidding me and now then they stiff her for 10 grand because they owed her money and now they're 1.00
00:08:04.820 suing her for 600 grand because the child that they wanted is alive this is the most backward 0.98
00:08:10.400 story i'm so glad we're highlighting this and i would love to shine a spotlight on these two gay 0.97
00:08:15.800 guys with their designer baby yeah i mean look simplest way to do it don't allow it simplest way
00:08:23.600 to do it is don't allow it don't allow to make the decision to be different uh when it comes
00:08:28.620 out to getting babies i'm not i've never been comfortable with that that position for me is
00:08:32.940 not going to change of where i'm at with it it's going to stay the same way that it is so
00:08:36.860 uh good for the lady whoever it is she is watching or if you know who she is share this with her
00:08:43.200 she contacts us i'd love to find a way to make something good for her so if you know who she is
00:08:49.800 and she's comfortable being public, we will keep her name private.
00:08:53.800 I would love to find a way to help her out as she's going through this challenge
00:08:56.800 in financial times, even if it's something small that we can help her out with.
00:09:00.380 So I don't know who she is, but if you know her, please have her reach out to us.
00:09:03.640 By the way, thanks to modern medicine, a child born due to an injury to the mother,
00:09:08.580 not an illness to the child, at 22 weeks, has a 35% chance for survival.
00:09:14.680 So there's a one in three chance that if that baby was born
00:09:17.940 because the mom had some sort of an injury, the baby wasn't sick,
00:09:20.940 that modern medicine could take it to full viability and survival.
00:09:24.340 No, this is devastating when you read this.
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