Valuetainment - July 10, 2026


"The Judge Visibly Flinchedā€ - New Charlie Kirk Trial Footage Shocks Court


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In this episode of What We Have, Tom and Vinny talk about the most chilling moment of the Charlie Kirk case so far, when the judge sees the footage of the shooting for the first time and visibly flinches.

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00:00:00.000 One of the most chilling moments was when the judge flinches
00:00:03.200 while watching Charlie Kirk's assassination footage.
00:00:06.560 Have you seen this clip?
00:00:07.460 I didn't. I haven't.
00:00:08.260 Okay, so when you see the judge, he's seen it.
00:00:11.600 I don't know if he's seen it for the first time or he just saw it.
00:00:13.860 It looks like he just saw it for the first time.
00:00:16.320 Do you have that clip?
00:00:17.080 I want to give you six facts about what's going on, a story that,
00:00:20.420 obviously, I'm glad this is finally happening,
00:00:23.480 where the stories are going to be covered
00:00:24.700 and everyone's going to find out what's going on.
00:00:26.000 But watch this clip here, Vinny.
00:00:27.680 This is the judge seeing the shooting.
00:00:31.000 Just look at his face, Tom.
00:00:32.540 Take a look at this.
00:00:33.480 Watch this.
00:00:33.880 Go for it.
00:00:35.480 Look at his face.
00:00:39.560 Did you see that?
00:00:40.400 Yeah.
00:00:40.860 Oh, man.
00:00:41.640 Seeing it for the first time.
00:00:42.680 Can you go back a little bit?
00:00:51.140 Oh, unbelievable, man.
00:00:53.380 When you see this, like, I mean, obviously, I remember the first time.
00:00:56.940 you're like, don't look at it, don't look at it, don't look at it.
00:01:00.020 Remember, when we were at the event, and you're telling me don't look at it
00:01:03.220 because I've got to get back on the stage, and I'm like,
00:01:04.940 this was a disturbing thing to see.
00:01:06.580 Six big revelations to come out from the Charlie Kirk murder preliminary hearing so far.
00:01:11.360 Let me read this to you.
00:01:13.800 Let me read this to you here on what we have.
00:01:15.780 Okay, so number one, surveillance footage.
00:01:18.000 Previously on-scene surveillance footage appears to show Tyler Robinson
00:01:20.820 visiting Utah Valley University four times on September 10th
00:01:24.880 And into the early hours of September 11, prosecutors say he scouted the campus, left to change clothes, and returned before fatally shooting Charlie Crook.
00:01:33.220 Then came back again at around 12.30 a.m.
00:01:35.860 The footage shows a man prosecutors identify as Robinson walking around campus, including on the roof of the Losey Center.
00:01:43.520 Defense attorneys argue the video is too distant and unclear to prove he was carrying a rifle as he left the roof after the shooting.
00:01:51.580 DNA evidence.
00:01:52.300 Defense attorneys challenged the FBI's DNA analysis.
00:01:54.640 questioning how the samples were processed and interpreted.
00:01:59.320 FBA analyst Amanda Baker testifies his DNA recovered from the towel,
00:02:04.780 wrapped around the alleged murder weapon,
00:02:06.920 and from a screwdriver found on the roof,
00:02:09.340 matched Robinson and his roommate Lance Twiggs.
00:02:12.400 Robinson's accounted for about 95% of the DNA on the towel
00:02:15.340 and 89% on the screwdriver,
00:02:17.480 while Twiggs accounted for the remainder.
00:02:19.440 Baker testified that the analytical methods used
00:02:23.640 are standard forensics practice.
00:02:25.320 Number three, additional bullet found on the scene.
00:02:27.920 Investigators found an unfired rifle cartridge
00:02:31.400 on another building, but Agent David Hall testified
00:02:34.740 it was traced to the police officer
00:02:36.560 who was cycled his rifle during the response
00:02:38.900 because the investigators determined the round
00:02:41.940 was unrelated to the shooting.
00:02:43.980 That location was not prevented,
00:02:45.840 preserved as part of the crime scene.
00:02:47.200 Number four, Tyler Robinson seen limping around the campus.
00:02:51.460 Surveillance footage also shows a man.
00:02:53.040 And prosecutors identify as Robinson limping while walking toward the Lou Center.
00:02:57.040 We've seen this clip.
00:02:57.740 Number five, UVU officer body cam dies on the roof of Losey Center.
00:03:03.260 UVU University officer Chris Bagley testified that his body camera stopped recording just as he reached the rooftop,
00:03:10.060 where investigators believe the shot was fired because the battery died.
00:03:13.400 And last but not least, the judge visibly flinched, which we just showed, when faced with the video of Charlie Crook's shot.
00:03:19.440 Tom, your thoughts.
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00:03:49.040 Well, I think we're getting more and more, as long as this isn't tampered with and this is straight, that there was a relationship apparently between the shooter and the shooter's boyfriend and number one.
00:04:06.020 Number two, we're seeing absolute evidence of an individual, not a member of the school,
00:04:15.780 not a student there, apparently, of the colloquial phrase is casing the joint.
00:04:22.780 We're seeing that.
00:04:24.480 And then we're also seeing in the walking to appear to be on the day of walking in such
00:04:32.960 a way that they say that is the way that people would walk wearing baggy hunting pants or whatever,
00:04:38.940 concealing a weapon. But we're also seeing the horror of what the jury and the judge are being
00:04:46.220 asked to preside over. No normal person can look at these descriptions and then the actual
00:04:51.520 shooting with a, I mean, this is a judge. Do you think this judge sees victim photos,
00:04:59.020 autopsy photos from people that have been murdered of course he has unfortunately that's part of
00:05:04.040 being a judge we have a murder trial here's the body here's the wounds and then the coroner
00:05:08.760 testifies to it and gives evidence that's what i see i see this really pointing toward um pointing
00:05:17.660 toward you know the single shooter and you know continuing on that path and then fair-minded
00:05:24.440 people realizing just how
00:05:26.460 horrific, you know, the injury was
00:05:28.660 and that's
00:05:30.720 Vinny. I'm looking forward to
00:05:32.360 I'm not looking forward to like with Glee
00:05:34.420 but I am looking forward
00:05:36.600 to seeing more evidence
00:05:38.740 so that this trial
00:05:40.560 hopefully can give us a decision once and for all.
00:05:42.700 Listen, it's
00:05:43.720 the main thing is 0.98
00:05:45.880 finding out who killed our freaking friend 0.97
00:05:48.560 Charlie Kirk. End of story, full stop. 0.98
00:05:50.860 That's it. Him getting justice
00:05:52.640 on finding out who did it there's a bunch of unanswered questions this thing just started on
00:05:56.220 monday it's obviously going to take a while to get to the bottom of it we have quite like i hope
00:06:01.280 all the questions tom because obviously it's defense and it's prosecution i the videos that
00:06:06.440 they're they're trying to submit that's edited i want unedited videos what happened to the footage
00:06:11.140 that they took from behind charlie that camera and and they took it and gave it to whoever digging
00:06:16.600 up the crime scene after there was an assassination kind of suspect george zinn i hope that guy gets
00:06:22.620 brought up i don't know what his involvement is going to be i'm not denying the fact that this
00:06:27.220 tyler robinson was involved i want everybody that was involved with this to face justice okay his
00:06:34.260 furry lover more dna from the furry lover on everything except more than him the cop's body 0.97
00:06:39.560 pat as police officers when you're done with your shift you charge your freaking body cam 0.75
00:06:43.980 for his body cam just to shut off randomly at that moment when it's supposed to be picking up stuff 0.81
00:06:48.680 little suspect but I want every answer I want there's absolutely no way you could tell me
00:06:54.580 Vincent Oshana that George Zinn the bald fat guy that stood up right when Charlie was killed
00:07:00.260 waving a freaking of a handkerchief with his pants down saying I'm the killer didn't have
00:07:05.500 forehand knowledge and he wasn't involved that's my opinion there's no way that means there was
00:07:09.880 more than one person that means there was a it was a plan and they were involved if it's Tyler
00:07:14.700 and it's solely him, I'm not
00:07:16.880 buying it. I want everybody to go down that
00:07:18.740 deserves it. Period. Adam.
00:07:22.460 Well,
00:07:23.000 to me, it's an open and shut case. Tyler Robinson
00:07:24.880 killed Charlie Kirk and that's
00:07:26.960 the end of it. You guys can go through the semantics
00:07:28.860 of what's going to happen from here, but I believe that
00:07:30.740 there's two people on trial. You got Tyler Robinson
00:07:32.740 and the loon conspiracy
00:07:35.040 theorists who still think there's something else going
00:07:36.880 on. And I hate to break it to you guys.
00:07:39.140 Vinny, allow me to finish.
00:07:40.760 Please. 0.88
00:07:41.240 in my opinion Tyler Robinson will be found guilty and it won't be anybody else it won't be Egyptian
00:07:48.560 planes it won't be the French Legion it won't be Bibi Netanyahu it'll be Tyler Robinson because
00:07:54.260 that's what happened and the evidence will show that and we'll see what happens and we'll see
00:07:58.100 what happens go there for me there's a couple winners and losers here at the end of the day
00:08:01.700 the big winner here is going to be Charlie's legacy because we can just put this thing in
00:08:05.320 this story disgusting situation to rest of what happened tpusa erica kirk charlie's legacy and the
00:08:12.200 truth are all going to be the big winners here the big losers here are the conspiracy theorists
00:08:17.400 the people who you know i don't know if you know but you know you know who i'm talking about
00:08:22.360 the people who are profiting off charlie's desk telling lies telling nonsensical vile myth truths
00:08:28.760 you know who i'm talking about so the big loser ultimately will be america because we lost one of
00:08:34.480 our greatest leaders and our greatest unifiers and synergists and we've had i don't know six to
00:08:40.460 nine months of ridiculous stories and accusations when the truth will come out it's tyler robinson
00:08:46.020 we know it's tyler robinson and the truth will set you free and the people who have been spouting
00:08:51.140 lies you're going to get everything you deserve eventually adam so you but without this is the
00:08:56.400 third day of the trial and you've already wrapped up everything that it was just him i said that
00:09:00.900 that's my opinion no no no no no no no no you said like you gave an opinion about george you
00:09:06.740 no no you said closed case no no no let's hold on back up i believe you said open and closed case
00:09:12.380 okay you're still going down adam because you're and that's fine adam because you are one of the
00:09:17.560 people that just take something and you just believe in its end of story there is a trial
00:09:22.400 you don't know nothing about adam you just know what you're hearing online okay let the trial go
00:09:28.200 Well, Adam, because you don't care, Adam, can I finish?
00:09:32.120 This is when you don't have a good point and you have nothing to defend,
00:09:35.000 you have to talk over, which you constantly do,
00:09:37.700 because you can't stop talking and listen for two seconds.
00:09:40.600 Go ahead.
00:09:41.060 Have you followed anything?
00:09:42.560 Have you done any research?
00:09:43.700 Have you even investigated anything? 0.98
00:09:46.060 The digging of the freaking assassination, George Zinn.
00:09:48.920 Do you know anything about any of these people? 0.97
00:09:51.660 You can't sit there because you haven't.
00:09:53.620 I know you haven't.
00:09:53.940 This is my first time hearing the Charlie Kirk story.
00:09:56.180 Go ahead.
00:09:56.380 enlighten me what everyone hasn't been talking about
00:09:59.180 because you automatically go
00:10:00.580 you automatically go
00:10:02.180 oh he's crazy, no Adam
00:10:04.340 what about the people that just have regular questions 0.98
00:10:06.820 there's a lot of people
00:10:08.100 why are you being so defensive, I said conspiracy theorist
00:10:10.180 I didn't say your name
00:10:11.080 anybody that's questioning
00:10:14.180 and that's a mess
00:10:15.200 let me ask you this
00:10:17.540 Donald Trump Jr
00:10:19.180 best friends with Charlie Kirk
00:10:21.720 15 years, 10 years
00:10:23.980 long time
00:10:25.460 He tweets a day ago.
00:10:27.880 Fact.
00:10:28.340 Tyler Robinson was on the Utah Valley University campus four times before the 10th
00:10:32.040 and the early hours approximately 1240 a.m. on September 11th.
00:10:36.880 Major detail no one seems to be talking about.
00:10:40.140 Tyler Robinson was not a student at UVU.
00:10:42.420 Yes.
00:10:42.840 How do you process that information?
00:10:44.160 That means he was doing what Tom was doing, casing, looking,
00:10:47.400 trying to figure out how to kill Charlie.
00:10:49.940 That's 100% I agree with that.
00:10:51.740 So let's put this stuff on what you believe,
00:10:54.400 because I think the audience kind of probably is going to want to know
00:10:56.540 where you stand and where Adam stands.
00:10:58.320 With that fact, where do you put the percentage
00:11:00.960 that Tyler Robinson is the killer of Charlie Kirk?
00:11:05.320 With bullet forensics and everything, Pat Angle?
00:11:07.680 No, no, just with this fact.
00:11:08.640 Let me just say the fact.
00:11:10.560 He was on the campus four times between the 10th and the 11th,
00:11:16.780 approximately 12.40 a.m.
00:11:18.640 You know what 12.40 a.m. is?
00:11:20.160 Past midnight.
00:11:20.820 Yes.
00:11:21.260 Okay.
00:11:21.940 He's not a student there.
00:11:22.940 what does this fact do to you fact doing he was 100 involved in the assassination okay what
00:11:29.000 percentage do you put that he killed him probably 90 okay so so oh so i'm talking about no no no
00:11:35.500 by the way this is the part that it's important to qualify for the audience yeah so you're because
00:11:43.100 vinnie it comes across that 90 you believe it's not tyler robinson that's not what you're saying
00:11:48.880 What you're saying is, I want to make that additional 10% to 100%.
00:11:54.040 That's all you're saying.
00:11:55.580 Exactly what I'm saying.
00:11:56.820 Guess what?
00:11:57.360 I think that's a very reasonable position.
00:11:59.600 Yes, thank you.
00:12:00.040 To me, this is why there's trials.
00:12:02.180 Yes.
00:12:02.620 You know, Adam, you have to also give a little bit of credibility to a guy gets up in the middle of it and says, I'm the shooter.
00:12:09.660 Dude, what the hell is that?
00:12:11.620 You can't.
00:12:12.180 And then, you know, the chances of the guy being at their end of 9-11.
00:12:16.000 And the Boston bombing.
00:12:16.820 And the Boston bombing, they put a number that's that $1 and $2 billion.
00:12:20.760 Who is he?
00:12:22.080 And then he was later on tied to some child porn.
00:12:24.540 I don't know what it was.
00:12:25.200 They arrested him for child porn.
00:12:26.620 So to me, I think—
00:12:28.040 And then what happened to him?
00:12:29.440 Well, you tell me.
00:12:31.180 The part of it is, this is why jumping to conclusion creates a lot of chaos
00:12:38.060 and divides, confuses, all this other stuff.
00:12:41.880 That's why for us, we've been kind of like, if you notice,
00:12:43.580 we're not talking all this stuff with Charlie Kirk
00:12:46.240 until we're going through the trial
00:12:47.720 because we're about to start learning
00:12:49.620 and we want to learn for ourselves
00:12:51.200 that fact right prior to that fact
00:12:53.860 that we all learned
00:12:55.060 even Don Jr. said I haven't been commenting on this
00:12:57.020 because here's a guy that says
00:12:59.100 it's absolutely crazy that you're pushing this
00:13:00.760 and you were friends
00:13:02.060 you know firearms you've been hunting 0.97
00:13:04.120 this is a joke and you're effing sick
00:13:07.140 a guy says to Don Jr.
00:13:08.600 Don Jr. responded back and said
00:13:09.800 or I wanted to see actual evidence before I opined on it
00:13:13.240 Okay, prior to you getting that fact of him being there four times
00:13:18.520 between September 10th and 11th,
00:13:20.300 what percentage were you at that Tyler Robinson was the shooter prior to that?
00:13:23.960 Say you don't know that fact.
00:13:25.160 If I don't know that he was there.
00:13:26.600 This was just released a couple days ago.
00:13:28.280 Probably 70%.
00:13:29.360 60%.
00:13:30.820 Yeah.
00:13:31.300 So this took you from 60 to 90.
00:13:33.980 Yeah.
00:13:34.420 Okay, this is the great thing.
00:13:35.360 Because I'm seeing the videos and I'm seeing him there.
00:13:36.740 But that's what's great about trials.
00:13:37.820 Yep.
00:13:38.400 Show us what's going on.
00:13:39.740 Let's learn.
00:13:40.320 and then let's close the chapter
00:13:43.080 and let's celebrate the guy's life.
00:13:46.020 Let's celebrate his greatness.
00:13:47.820 Let's celebrate all the stuff he did
00:13:49.580 instead of going X, Y, Z
00:13:52.220 with all this other stuff that's taking place.
00:13:54.280 And by the way, the difference between now
00:13:55.980 and what happened with John F. K's assassination,
00:13:58.640 there's a lot more data, intel, tracking stuff
00:14:01.180 that we can get today that we didn't have before.
00:14:03.920 These cameras, seeing them moving around,
00:14:05.700 we didn't have all this kind of stuff back in the days.
00:14:07.920 What we have today.
00:14:08.520 So, God willing, we'll get to the bottom of it because this became one of the stories in the conservative party that created a bit of a division.
00:14:17.020 So, I'm just glad these stories are coming out for the whole crew.
00:14:20.440 Not everybody.
00:14:21.220 I don't expect anybody because some people need crisis to continue talking about it.
00:14:25.220 But I'm just glad this is going on and this is taking place.
00:14:27.480 Did you want to say any final words on this?
00:14:29.040 No.
00:14:29.980 Thank you so, Pat, for clarifying it and just finding out I think it was him.
00:14:33.760 i want everybody else if there was the george zen or whoever was involved i don't think he did it by
00:14:39.160 himself i think he did it but he definitely had a hand either his lover or george zen i think there
00:14:45.040 was by the way they said that 85 percent of the dna on the towel was so was him yeah it was the
00:14:50.460 lover and the gun yeah and so that means who knows the the involvement there all the other stuff
00:14:55.200 anyways all in all i'm just glad this is taking place i trust uh i trust our process of getting
00:15:01.880 to the bottom of it hopefully hopefully more of this will happen for trust to go up not trust to
00:15:07.960 go down of course with social media today even if they showed everything and show proof there's
00:15:12.240 certain people that will still no matter what everything could be 100 there's still some people
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