Valuetainment - July 17, 2026


＂This Is a Mistake＂ - ＂New York Just Hit the Brakes on the AI Revolution


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New York City has banned new data centers in the state for a year. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? And why should the rest of the country join in on the fight? Today's episode is a mashup of our thoughts on the data center ban and why it's a bad idea.

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00:00:00.000 What just happened with New York and data centers, and New York became the first state
00:00:05.540 to come out, impose AI data center ban, and a lot of people are conflicted.
00:00:13.140 Some people are saying, wait a minute, am I about to support Hochul for the decision
00:00:18.660 that they're making and where they're going with this?
00:00:21.780 Kathy Hochul imposed a one-year moratorium on new data centers requiring at least 50
00:00:27.040 megawatts of power, making New York the first state with a statewide ban.
00:00:31.380 Hochul said hyperscale AI facilities threaten to exceed grid capacity and pass higher electricity
00:00:37.860 costs to residents.
00:00:38.740 New York's average residential power price has increased nearly 68% since 2019, whether
00:00:45.000 that's tied to data centers or not.
00:00:46.560 That's a different story.
00:00:48.020 Data centers have faced grown opposition over their electricity and freshwater consumption
00:00:51.520 with proposed projects, drawn protests in communities,
00:00:54.400 including Lansing and East Fishkill.
00:00:58.300 Environmental groups and Democratic lawmakers praised the pause,
00:01:01.400 arguing the New York need guarantees that data centers will not raise bills,
00:01:05.580 pollute air or water, weaken grid reliability.
00:01:09.420 A June Siena poll found 46% of New Yorkers considered a one-year moratorium
00:01:13.960 beneficial compared to 21% who opposed it,
00:01:16.840 support cross-party lines with Democratic backing it by 37%,
00:01:21.360 points, and Republicans by 13%.
00:01:24.000 14 state legislators have
00:01:25.740 introduced restrictions on state data centers
00:01:27.800 construction, but none has
00:01:29.620 enacted a statewide
00:01:31.920 meritorium. Democratic governors in Maine
00:01:33.760 and Virginia have cautioned
00:01:35.560 against similar bans. Tom, is this a good thing 0.80
00:01:37.900 or a bad thing, and why?
00:01:39.820 This is a bad thing.
00:01:42.260 And
00:01:42.620 I don't understand what Kathy Hochul's talking about.
00:01:47.960 I'm sure she's done some good things. I'll list
00:01:49.820 them here.
00:01:51.360 Okay, that's the list. Now I'll go to this part of it. I'm not trying to be funny, but I'm honestly saying, what has Kathy Hochul done for the people of New York in this? I'm going to make one simple comparison. Did the United States of America during the 2020 election, was TikTok taking all of, you know what?
00:02:11.880 Oh, my gosh, they're taking data from our kids' phones and from us and on family cloud accounts.
00:02:18.280 And TikTok is taking data back to China.
00:02:20.620 Was that a big deal, Pat?
00:02:23.040 TikTok?
00:02:23.740 Yeah, TikTok's taking our data back to China.
00:02:26.320 Okay, well, then let's not build data centers here.
00:02:29.320 We'll just use the ones in China.
00:02:31.640 Really? 0.99
00:02:32.900 Are you insane? 1.00
00:02:34.580 And so she's missing an opportunity here. 0.95
00:02:37.140 And the opportunity is one we talk about to come forward and to build the infrastructure for the state of New York and to simply do it this way.
00:02:44.380 I brought it up before. Data centers. You have to build your own electrical infrastructure or contribute to the overbuild and retrofit of ours.
00:02:54.160 Step one, you can put small nukes there. We'll go to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and Department of Energy and we'll help you get next generation permits so you can put a small nuke there.
00:03:04.200 And by the way, one condition, if there's a blizzard or something like that, you have to be available to switch your power from your nuke onto the grid so you can help citizens in time of a civil emergency.
00:03:15.220 Step one.
00:03:16.000 Step two, we've got to figure out how do we get different kinds of cooling?
00:03:20.180 How does the state of New York maybe give some credits to companies that right now, Pat, there are companies right now that are being hatched and venture funded trying to figure out advanced cooling solutions for data centers?
00:03:32.480 You want to know why?
00:03:33.320 Because if we can make this work and we can sell it to one, we can sell billions and billions and billions of dollars of next generation cooling and use less water.
00:03:41.400 It's all out there.
00:03:43.020 She's missing an opportunity to put the state of New York in a leadership position. 0.91
00:03:48.000 But while she's trying to knee jerk and saying, well, if your power is going up, there's an election coming up.
00:03:54.420 No data centers.
00:03:56.140 Data centers bad.
00:03:58.200 Rather than coming back and saying, hey, we're going to put this on the ballot.
00:04:02.860 we want you to vote for it. Data centers in the state of New York will be required to build their
00:04:06.980 own power and find alternative cooling within 36 months of launching. And by the way, the
00:04:13.400 decibel rating on the outside of the data center can exceed this. Entrepreneurs, when given
00:04:20.140 constraints, you know what they do? They invent solutions. That's what I think. I think this is
00:04:25.180 a populist move, Pat. And if you're trying to chase more people out of the state and you're
00:04:29.660 trying then you make errors on tax but if you're trying to do things for people staying in the
00:04:34.780 state this is not the way to do it especially when we were all freaked out about tiktok taking
00:04:39.400 our data and now we're going to say no data center here here and here the data is going to go
00:04:43.900 somewhere folks it's going to end up in china yeah so the people that agree and disagree bernie's
00:04:50.520 fort very sympathetic aoc environmental groups some local community groups because the noise
00:04:58.300 land use stuff like that people who are obviously against it is trump data center developers data
00:05:04.000 center coalition and many of the business groups and guys that are in the business space uh uh but
00:05:10.180 but if let's just say you so now this becomes one of the decisions where you got to make as a state
00:05:14.800 and some states are going to be like no to data centers all right guess what opportunity that
00:05:20.740 creates for some states to say what we are with the following three guidelines that you follow
00:05:25.880 okay, guess what? Let's take our talents to Miami. Let's take our talents to Tennessee.
00:05:31.760 Let's take our talents to Idaho. And what could those restrictions be? Maybe put it a certain
00:05:38.100 amount of miles away from a nearest city that's got 20,000 population, but you got to be 20 miles
00:05:44.940 away from it. You got to be 40 miles away from it. There's plenty of states that you can go to
00:05:48.540 and do stuff that has plenty of land that's away from individuals. Adam, where are you at with
00:05:54.720 this animal pat i gotta tell you tom nailed it uh being anti-ai being anti-data center is like
00:06:02.840 being anti-internet in the early 2000s yeah i don't i don't like this internet thing i don't
00:06:07.700 know what this email thing is can't have that taking all the energy it's like yeah we're gonna
00:06:12.400 change the world with the internet email get on board so you can't put the genie back in the
00:06:18.280 bottle it's inevitable so what they're trying to do in new york here is a one-year moratorium okay
00:06:23.920 in one year we'll consider doing this it's inevitable john fetterman said listen if you
00:06:29.380 continue to do this who's going to win china's going to win but new york has a history of doing
00:06:34.440 this aoc five years ago was like yeah we don't need high paying jobs from amazon we don't want
00:06:40.520 that here and in the bronx get that out of here mom donnie is doing his best to just take all the
00:06:46.280 wealth out of new york and bring it to miami so thank you for that mom donnie and now kathy
00:06:50.560 Hochul is basically saying I'm going to be an ostrich put my head in the sand pretend that AI
00:06:55.740 and data centers don't exist play it as the boogeyman to maybe win an election but the end
00:07:00.780 of the day we all know this is inevitable data centers are coming we need this for our country
00:07:05.260 if we're going to compete with the rest of the world and specifically China so we need this
00:07:09.100 all right so we'll see that's uh Adam's uh analysis for us on data centers and we'll see
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