Valuetainment - September 01, 2026


"We’re Playing God" - AI Expert Warns Humanity Is Creating A New Civilization


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00:00:00.000 even after your conversations got very public where people are saying this guy's a real guy
00:00:06.780 let's reach out to him how many governments have reached out to have private conversations with you
00:00:11.460 not too many but some and what are they asking you uh usually they have some sort of event and
00:00:19.880 they want someone with that point of view to be included is it a private event is it a public
00:00:25.220 event both when it's the i recently was talking to u.n i advise individual politicians and some
00:00:32.720 of those issues and what are you asking are they asking low-level questions have you got any very
00:00:37.840 good questions where you're like that's actually he's asking your action asking the right question
00:00:41.300 some usually you start talking to staffers technical advisors and they of course know
00:00:46.500 everything and they're just like we're not allowed to talk about it but we totally agree with you
00:00:49.820 yeah obviously and until you get to the politician they already asked all the good questions with
00:00:54.620 Politicians, it's more like you think it's a good law to pass. 1.00
00:00:57.560 We're going to ban deepfakes, whatever. 1.00
00:01:02.620 So nothing in regards to questions where you're optimistic that they're also being concerned that this thing can be bad.
00:01:12.740 We're starting to see slowly top politicians say things about this.
00:01:19.840 So we have multiple senators now saying we need to do something.
00:01:23.760 Bernie Sanders, who unfortunately is not my type of economist, he is pushing very hard against it.
00:01:30.300 He just released, you can bring up his statement, very, very strong statement against superintelligence.
00:01:36.160 He wrote a letter to Sam Altman, so you know what I'm talking about.
00:01:39.620 He's the first one, but there is now two or three multiple congresspeople.
00:01:43.940 They are starting to realize what's happening.
00:01:47.060 It took him, you know, 20 years.
00:01:49.380 Then we were saying it at first.
00:01:50.840 This was science fiction purely.
00:01:52.420 Now we have Nobel Prize winners.
00:01:54.140 We have leaders of the labs.
00:01:55.600 We have senators.
00:01:56.840 We have a lot of people who are concerned.
00:02:01.520 Yeah, the way you put it, is this the address where he talks about a cataclysmic result?
00:02:07.480 Yeah, this is the one.
00:02:08.460 And he's saying to what?
00:02:09.360 To pause all AI.
00:02:12.040 There's quite a few of these.
00:02:13.620 Who is the person on the opposite side that is on the same page with Bernie Sanders on this?
00:02:17.580 Can you ask Grok right there on the top right and say, who is the senator on the Republican side that agrees with Bernie Sanders on the same exact issue?
00:02:28.260 I wonder, I wonder how many of these, well, I know these conversations.
00:02:32.420 A lot of them may agree.
00:02:33.740 They just don't feel publicly like they want to talk about Terminators.
00:02:37.440 I don't know how it impacts political polling.
00:02:39.640 I don't know if it makes you more popular or less.
00:02:41.580 We're scared.
00:02:42.260 Who would not be happy?
00:02:43.260 like a lot of lobbyists you know how large the pro ai lobby is who who's not a fan of the message
00:02:50.900 you're given who is you brought up some of those people browser developers got it so they're not
00:02:58.380 fans of voice so like sam altman wouldn't be found about what you're talking about uh again he spoke
00:03:03.220 about safety as well and i i think if you remember open ai was started with the main purpose of
00:03:09.840 creating a safe alternative to Google AI.
00:03:12.160 Non-profit, right?
00:03:12.620 2015, 2017, when he gave $50 million,
00:03:15.020 I think Elon gave $50 million to target them.
00:03:17.520 The announcement was they funded at a billion-dollar level.
00:03:20.220 That was the biggest announcement ever.
00:03:22.660 And at first, everyone's like, what is this thing all about?
00:03:24.720 And then all of a sudden, when it was launched,
00:03:26.200 it's like, no, now we're going to be profit.
00:03:27.560 What are you talking about?
00:03:28.160 Then the war happened between two of them.
00:03:30.020 So in what area do you think they're on the same page?
00:03:32.420 Because they're enemies.
00:03:33.140 They're not fans of each other.
00:03:34.700 They're constantly going after each other.
00:03:36.140 In what area here do you think they agree?
00:03:39.120 So initially, they agreed on making an AI to benefit humanity.
00:03:46.480 Clearly, they disagreed on how to do it.
00:03:49.380 To me, the amazing thing is Elon's success levels.
00:03:53.180 People go, oh, he has one unicorn, two unicorns, five unicorns.
00:03:57.320 His failed startup is OpenAI.
00:03:59.980 That's the level of brilliance he has.
00:04:04.140 You think he's human?
00:04:06.120 I think he's got cheat codes to our simulation.
00:04:09.380 It's his simulation.
00:04:10.280 What does that look like?
00:04:11.000 You ever play a video game and you have immortality?
00:04:13.460 Up, down, down, left, right, left, right, you know, X, Y, X, Y.
00:04:16.800 It was a Rick and Morty joke, but, like, I think he has the codes.
00:04:20.540 But you're being sarcastic?
00:04:21.620 Of course I am.
00:04:22.780 Yes, it's a Rick and Morty joke.
00:04:24.020 I don't think he's actually...
00:04:25.960 You think he's just brilliant above and beyond his peers?
00:04:28.640 I think he doesn't care about opinions of others and just does the impossible.
00:04:32.140 with his motive being it's clearly not money driven i think he can't spend what he has if he
00:04:41.340 had a billion bodies in this regular place you know he i think he got that out of his system
00:04:45.780 there was a video 25 years ago when they sold paypal and he bought a p1 did he buy mclaren
00:04:51.500 oh yeah i saw that video he was getting a car he was getting out of a car and arrived and and
00:04:55.540 once you get your first million dollar car you know then it's like now he can buy
00:05:01.780 Ferrari, the company.
00:05:04.140 He can buy, you know,
00:05:05.960 General Motors if you wanted to
00:05:07.840 and change them up. There is very little
00:05:09.840 research in this space. We have more and more
00:05:11.900 people with many billions, but
00:05:13.780 how to convert those billions into happiness
00:05:15.980 is a very underdeveloped project.
00:05:18.200 You can make your boat bigger,
00:05:19.860 you can make your toilet out of gold, but
00:05:21.540 none of it is interesting.
00:05:23.440 You've got to do this on X, and you'll see the video
00:05:25.840 when he bought a McLaren F1.
00:05:28.000 Yeah, right there. That's the one right there.
00:05:29.400 He was so excited, 99.
00:05:31.780 This is, what, 26 years ago?
00:05:34.380 And I think this is when he got his, it's going to take a minute for the commercial ads.
00:05:37.700 You've got to ask that question on X.
00:05:39.240 If you are really successful, even your hair grows back.
00:05:41.580 Yeah, your hair grows back because he had a, have you ever had a conversation with him?
00:05:45.600 A short one.
00:05:48.460 So if right now you got a call from the White House and you're there, you're sitting around with them,
00:05:54.960 would there be a certain specific argument you would make to him?
00:05:58.380 Or would it be the same thing you just told me right now?
00:06:00.000 Mr. President, you're going to lose power.
00:06:01.320 You're going to be out of control. 0.89
00:06:03.540 Same with Chinese Communist Party.
00:06:06.020 You want to stay in control?
00:06:07.460 You want to stay in power?
00:06:08.580 Don't create a replacement for humanity.
00:06:11.080 Is this a policy that if he comes out with it, how does he win short term?
00:06:16.100 Not long term, because Trump's interested in how he wins short term.
00:06:18.660 How does he win short term?
00:06:20.300 He'll get support even from Bernie Sanders.
00:06:23.760 Everyone thinks when we actually survey people, not even technical people, normal people,
00:06:29.560 Very high percentage of concerns.
00:06:31.380 They are worried about it.
00:06:32.660 Some worry about data centers making power more expensive, water supply.
00:06:37.400 Others worry about jobs.
00:06:39.320 But overall, there is a lot of suspicion and concern about what we're doing.
00:06:43.660 Nobody's asking them.
00:06:44.820 We're running an experiment on 8 billion people.
00:06:47.240 They've never given consent to any of that.
00:06:49.200 We're deploying those toys for kids and trying to figure out what's happening to them 10 years later.
00:06:55.700 But now we're doing it at a different scale on everyone.
00:06:58.880 What do you teach right now?
00:07:02.680 Computer science?
00:07:03.400 Is that what you're teaching?
00:07:04.340 I teach AI.
00:07:05.280 What do you teach?
00:07:06.600 Luckily, my course is the classic AI, not machine learning,
00:07:10.700 so there is zero chance of it becoming super intelligent.
00:07:13.420 Search algorithms, evolutionary computation, heuristics.
00:07:18.460 And the kids that are in your class, they're in your class
00:07:21.040 because they want to one day get into the business of AI?
00:07:24.940 I hope so.
00:07:26.780 They have some reason to be there.
00:07:28.420 It's also a required course for many.
00:07:31.440 Very interesting on where, you know, your argument is,
00:07:37.040 yet you're still in it, yet you have three kids, you know,
00:07:41.000 yet you say we got to get the governments to stop.
00:07:43.400 Well, I had kids before they started building superintelligence.
00:07:46.060 So you had the kids before.
00:07:47.940 If today you were 25, would you have kids today?
00:07:50.920 I would because I think we're here to collect experiences,
00:07:54.200 and it doesn't matter how many years you have left.
00:07:56.420 Having a child is still one of the best experiences.
00:07:59.360 But for them, they may not live a full life like you and I do.
00:08:02.220 It's always been the case.
00:08:03.340 You never knew what was going to happen.
00:08:04.900 World wars, pandemics, just bad genetics.
00:08:07.900 But have we ever experienced something like AI, like super intelligent AI?
00:08:12.040 It's a completely unique moment in human history.
00:08:14.500 We're creating meta technology.
00:08:15.940 We're creating new worlds, virtual worlds.
00:08:18.020 We're creating new agents, new civilizations.
00:08:20.740 We're playing God.
00:08:21.460 yeah i i i sit there and i say okay say you got an argument and i agree with you
00:08:31.680 you're right that's what's going to be happening all right we're gonna this if the super intelligent
00:08:35.940 takes over eventually here's what's going to happen if this guy's still going to be doing it
00:08:40.800 it's irrelevant that's where my thought goes to if he can do that for billion dollars and a evil
00:08:46.680 evil person can
00:08:48.800 go pursue it deeper
00:08:50.060 and you have to assume no other government's going to be
00:08:52.780 wanting to grow it with a
00:08:54.760 certain level of control, I think we're
00:08:56.760 all part of the naive community. Sounds like
00:08:58.700 you're agreeing with Bernie. Billionaires
00:09:00.840 are dangerous. We should text them all. 0.99
00:09:02.660 No, I'm not saying. I'm saying if that's
00:09:04.920 the premise that we're
00:09:06.660 agreeing to, that that's what's going to happen,
00:09:08.980 it is inevitable.
00:09:11.120 It very well may be.
00:09:12.580 That's why I have very high levels of video.
00:09:15.480 You have high levels of what?
00:09:16.680 Probability of doom.
00:09:17.820 That's a measure people report in terms of how your estimates are.
00:09:21.820 But should we give up?
00:09:23.380 Should we not try?
00:09:24.780 I don't think so.
00:09:26.080 We are still alive.
00:09:27.020 We are still in charge.
00:09:27.960 See, the difference is I have faith.
00:09:31.180 That's the difference.
00:09:33.180 You know, I have faith.
00:09:34.480 In what?
00:09:35.180 In God.
00:09:35.940 I have faith in God.
00:09:36.940 I believe in God.
00:09:37.740 To me, you know, the difference between a group of people that have faith
00:09:45.820 and you've seen what has overcome over the years,
00:09:48.720 what types of crisis, what has happened, what's not happened.
00:09:51.440 Are you saying your God will prevent superintelligence from destroying humanity?
00:09:55.120 Is that the argument?
00:09:55.980 No, I think it's either the end of times, and we did this to ourselves,
00:10:01.660 and very likely could be.
00:10:03.560 We don't know that.
00:10:04.320 That's a good thing, right?
00:10:05.140 You get to have afterlife after the judgment.
00:10:07.740 Just so you know, I'm not worried about it at all.
00:10:09.400 Either way, I'm good because I know what's going to happen with me.
00:10:13.220 That's the gamble I've taken, and I believe that.
00:10:16.360 What do you think happens to you for somebody as, you know,
00:10:19.960 what do you think happens to you when you die?
00:10:21.360 I'm assuming you believe in what?
00:10:23.520 Reincarnation?
00:10:24.000 Do you believe in?
00:10:24.600 Well, I said I think it's a simulation,
00:10:26.600 so either you restart or go to a different simulation.
00:10:29.420 Depending on how you do it, you go level up or level down.
00:10:32.500 Like a video game.
00:10:33.260 Yeah.
00:10:33.840 Yeah.
00:10:34.880 If you didn't finish the level first time, you get to play again.
00:10:37.320 You stay again?
00:10:37.740 It's like game over.
00:10:39.300 Go back at it again.
00:10:40.560 What do you think the next one looks like?
00:10:43.160 Should be very similar.
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