Verdict with Ted Cruz - Biden Autopen Pardons are Null & Void plus Fighting Horrific Nigerian Persecution of Christians

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00:00:05.300 Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:08.660 It's so nice to have you with us.

00:00:10.100 And this episode will also be on YouTube.

00:00:13.280 So if you've not watched us on YouTube, you can do that

00:00:16.000 because many more of these episodes are getting on YouTube.

00:00:18.640 Just want to let you know about that from the very beginning.

00:00:22.140 We got a packed show for you today.

00:00:23.920 Three major issues we're going to be talking about, including

00:00:26.400 Senator Cruz, you are now really diving in to Joe Biden

00:00:31.800 breaking the pardon rules with auto pin use.

00:00:35.380 This coming after a bombshell report, and there is going to be some accountability.

00:00:40.480 Well, more and more evidence is coming out that Joe Biden

00:00:43.220 was completely disengaged from the pardon and commutation process.

00:00:47.380 And under the Constitution, a pardon or a commutation only has legal force

00:00:51.920 if the president makes the decision himself.

00:00:54.220 If a staffer makes it, if somebody else in the White House makes it,

00:00:57.520 it has no legal force.

00:00:58.720 It is null and void.

00:01:00.560 There have been multiple reports about just how disengaged

00:01:03.380 Joe Biden was in this process.

00:01:05.360 And this week, I wrote a letter to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General,

00:01:09.180 calling on the Department of Justice to systematically examine the evidence,

00:01:12.880 case by case, of what the direct involvement of the president was

00:01:16.860 in those pardons and commutations,

00:01:18.760 and calling on the Trump DOJ to challenge any pardons and commutations

00:01:22.720 that were not specifically approved by the president.

00:01:25.160 We'll break that down.

00:01:26.520 We're also going to talk about legislation I introduced this week

00:01:29.400 to protect Christians in Nigeria.

00:01:31.620 Nigeria has seen a persecution of Christians that has been staggering.

00:01:36.520 Just this week, over 60 people were murdered by jihadists,

00:01:41.600 by radical Islamists in northeastern Nigeria.

00:01:45.100 They executed soldiers.

00:01:46.880 They went house to house.

00:01:48.040 This pattern of targeting Christians, targeting Catholic priests,

00:01:51.860 targeting individual men, women, and children is horrific.

00:01:56.940 And my legislation would put real consequences on the government of Nigeria

00:02:02.580 and those who are facilitating this persecution,

00:02:05.440 put real consequences on them to change that.

00:02:08.620 All right, I want to take a moment to talk about personal safety.

00:02:11.660 You guys know I'm pro-Second Amendment.

00:02:13.240 You know that I've actually used my firearm to save my life

00:02:16.340 when I was a target of a gang initiation.

00:02:19.040 But for many people that are listening or family members,

00:02:21.920 you may not feel comfortable carrying a firearm.

00:02:24.920 You still need to be able to protect yourselves.

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00:02:42.400 And I'm here today with Josh Sherrard from Burna.

00:02:45.060 Josh, many of us just saw that video footage of the recent mob attack

00:02:49.080 of a man and a woman in downtown Cincinnati.

00:02:52.000 Josh, many of us saw the video footage of the recent mob attack

00:02:55.600 of a man and a woman in downtown Cincinnati, and it was shocking.

00:02:59.500 Can you share a little more about what happened,

00:03:01.500 and could a less lethal weapon like the Burna launcher

00:03:04.260 be used in a situation like this to defend yourself?

00:03:07.360 Absolutely. Like you said, we all saw the videos.

00:03:09.520 And unfortunately, after a jazz festival, a man was attacked by a mob of individuals

00:03:14.440 that just continued going and continued going.

00:03:17.320 And unfortunately, he was unable to defend himself despite other people trying to help.

00:03:21.940 This is one of those instances where clearly these people are looking for an easy target.

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00:03:28.960 Have a way to defend yourself to facilitate that escape.

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00:03:44.260 And why wouldn't the victim in this case just want to pull a gun on these suspects?

00:03:47.940 It's an important question.

00:03:49.540 You know, it absolutely is.

00:03:51.080 And there's a couple reasons.

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00:03:53.560 Depending on where you are, you may not even be able to carry a gun.

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00:04:43.560 All right.

00:04:43.920 So, Senator, I really hope that everybody will take this episode and share it on social media,

00:04:48.900 especially after what we're about to tell you, and it's new information dealing with the auto pen,

00:04:55.140 the commutations and pardons that were given out at the very end.

00:04:59.640 They were handing them out like candy.

00:05:01.160 I still think it's got to be a chance.

00:05:02.980 It was to the highest bidders.

00:05:04.200 Like, you need one?

00:05:05.240 Sure.

00:05:05.540 Joe Biden didn't even know about it.

00:05:07.040 And the Senate Republicans are now really getting into this and realizing that there is so much,

00:05:15.220 I would say a fair way of putting it is probably abuse,

00:05:18.000 by people that weren't the President of the United States of America.

00:05:21.520 You're now looking at this even more.

00:05:23.300 Tell us what you now know.

00:05:25.060 Well, the numbers are staggering,

00:05:27.440 and I want to read to you from the letter that I sent to Attorney General Bondi this week.

00:05:32.080 It begins,

00:05:32.640 Dear Attorney General Bondi,

00:05:34.500 On December 12, 2024,

00:05:36.180 the Biden administration commuted the sentences of roughly 1,500 inmates and pardoned 39 others.

00:05:42.560 And on January 17, 2025,

00:05:46.360 the administration issued 2,490 additional commutations,

00:05:52.440 more in a single day than any president had ever granted over an entire presidency.

00:06:02.640 Yeah, that's the wow moment, by the way.

00:06:04.860 The wow moment is there.

00:06:06.600 2,490 commutations,

00:06:08.920 more in a single day than any president had ever granted over an entire presidency.

00:06:13.600 These clemencies were issued based on broad criteria,

00:06:16.820 rather than case-by-case evaluations,

00:06:19.220 and at least some of them were signed using an auto pen of then-President Biden's signature.

00:06:24.460 I write to support your ongoing investigations related to these actions

00:06:28.820 and to emphasize my commitment to providing whatever resources you require

00:06:32.200 to continue and deepen them.

00:06:35.280 And the letter goes on to say,

00:06:37.660 The fundamental question regarding the use of presidential pardon authority,

00:06:41.500 Article 2, Section 2,

00:06:43.400 is whether there is an unbroken line from the president to a pardon being granted.

00:06:48.980 Everyone involved in the process,

00:06:50.860 government officials purporting to issue a pardon,

00:06:53.060 the person to whom it is being granted,

00:06:55.300 judicial and law enforcement officials,

00:06:56.920 and most of all the American people,

00:06:58.900 should have absolute confidence a pardon was granted at the president's explicit direction.

00:07:04.360 And look, it's long been the Department of Justice's position

00:07:07.100 that you don't need the president to actually physically sign a pardon,

00:07:11.520 but it has to be the president who makes the decision.

00:07:14.100 It cannot be anyone else who makes the decision.

00:07:16.720 Let's just break that down even more so people understand how simplistic this is,

00:07:21.820 and it's easy to check this box.

00:07:24.580 What you're saying is,

00:07:26.320 somebody communicates,

00:07:27.640 I'll go back to our days in the administration,

00:07:30.560 President Bush, 41, 43, right?

00:07:33.440 They say, yes, I'm going to give that pardon to John Doe or Jane Doe, 0.98

00:07:39.200 and then it can be used with the auto pen because it's coming from the president.

00:07:43.560 What we're now witnessing is,

00:07:45.860 it's virtually impossible for this many conversations to have been had

00:07:49.760 in the final moments of Joe Biden's presidency,

00:07:53.160 especially with the cognitive decline,

00:07:54.840 which we now all know about,

00:07:56.680 and for him to have this many conversations about this many people,

00:08:01.360 that's where you're just saying red flags all over the place.

00:08:05.120 Is that a fair way of putting it?

00:08:06.500 Well, it's worse than that.

00:08:08.000 In the first year of the Biden presidency,

00:08:09.900 he signed virtually everything,

00:08:11.480 and as the years went on,

00:08:13.340 he signed less and less and less,

00:08:15.080 and so at the end,

00:08:16.320 they were auto penning virtually everything,

00:08:18.940 and that was contrary to the advice they got from the White House counsel,

00:08:21.740 And what I lay out is there are public reports that call into question

00:08:26.700 whether Joe Biden had any awareness about any of this.

00:08:31.700 And in particular,

00:08:34.680 the letter says,

00:08:35.560 Biden officials also say that past presidents have validly used auto pens

00:08:39.240 even for actions requiring a presidential signature,

00:08:42.260 such as bill signings.

00:08:43.720 The Department of Justice has long maintained

00:08:45.680 that the Constitution does not require a pardon to be signed,

00:08:48.780 and in 1929,

00:08:50.260 the U.S. Solicitor General issued a memo saying that,

00:08:53.140 quote,

00:08:53.220 neither the Constitution nor any statute

00:08:55.040 prescribes the method by which executive clemency shall be exercised.

00:08:59.740 They need not have the president's autograph.

00:09:01.860 So that was DOJ in 1929.

00:09:04.180 However,

00:09:04.880 even and especially in those cases,

00:09:07.700 there must be an absolute assurance

00:09:09.200 that everyone involved knows

00:09:10.800 there is an unbroken line from the president

00:09:12.640 to the pardon.

00:09:14.160 The 1929 OSG memo itself states

00:09:16.680 that when a pardon is signed

00:09:18.260 with the president's,

00:09:19.420 quote,

00:09:19.580 facsimile signature,

00:09:21.260 it should,

00:09:22.560 quote,

00:09:22.700 be certified by an official

00:09:24.380 having charge of the records

00:09:26.040 as having been issued by the president

00:09:28.780 or by his direction.

00:09:31.140 These are core constitutional requirements.

00:09:34.840 And leaked emails

00:09:36.640 further show that the Biden White House

00:09:39.200 implemented a process

00:09:40.180 that separated the president

00:09:41.980 from officials

00:09:42.820 responsible for signing pardons on his behalf.

00:09:45.860 They could not know

00:09:47.360 if they were doing so

00:09:48.700 at the president's direction,

00:09:49.920 either on a case-by-case basis

00:09:51.520 or by following criteria.

00:09:54.000 As a result,

00:09:54.800 emails show

00:09:55.640 officials across the administration

00:09:57.320 struggled to verify

00:09:58.540 that the president,

00:09:59.600 quote,

00:10:00.540 signed off on the specific documents,

00:10:03.400 that the people receiving commutations,

00:10:06.000 quote,

00:10:07.080 are who the president signed off on,

00:10:10.640 quote,

00:10:11.040 that the documents

00:10:12.000 accurately reflect his decision,

00:10:13.920 or that the president,

00:10:15.780 quote,

00:10:16.180 agreed to the commutations,

00:10:18.380 the number of commutations,

00:10:20.440 and the date.

00:10:21.580 And these are emails

00:10:22.620 within the Biden White House.

00:10:24.780 In one email,

00:10:26.240 a Biden official stated

00:10:27.820 that the president,

00:10:28.800 quote,

00:10:29.800 doesn't review the warrants,

00:10:32.860 asking how to,

00:10:34.660 quote,

00:10:34.780 handle questions

00:10:36.000 about whether he approved them.

00:10:37.960 And here's what the New York Times

00:10:39.220 reported in July,

00:10:40.320 quote,

00:10:40.560 They also show

00:10:42.300 that the use of the auto pen

00:10:43.600 was managed by Mr. Biden's

00:10:45.020 White House Staff Secretary,

00:10:46.280 Ms. Feldman.

00:10:47.580 She wanted to receive

00:10:48.480 written accounts

00:10:49.160 confirming Mr. Biden's

00:10:50.380 oral instructions

00:10:51.160 in the meetings

00:10:51.820 before having it used

00:10:52.920 to produce the warrants

00:10:53.940 recording the clemency actions,

00:10:55.760 the emails show.

00:10:57.520 The aides referred

00:10:58.520 to those written accounts

00:10:59.720 of the meetings

00:11:00.260 at which Mr. Biden

00:11:01.320 delivered oral decisions

00:11:02.600 as blurbs,

00:11:04.300 quote,

00:11:04.560 unquote.

00:11:05.420 The accounts were drafted

00:11:07.020 by aides

00:11:07.680 to the senior advisors

00:11:08.820 who had participated

00:11:09.800 in the key meetings,

00:11:11.000 like Mr. Biden's

00:11:12.400 chief of staff,

00:11:13.160 Jeffrey Zients

00:11:13.820 and Mr. Siskel.

00:11:17.260 The assistants

00:11:18.400 who drafted the blurbs

00:11:20.360 were not themselves

00:11:22.940 in the room

00:11:24.260 with Mr. Biden.

00:11:26.100 So staffers

00:11:27.320 who weren't in the room

00:11:28.140 with the president

00:11:28.840 wrote written directions

00:11:30.960 directing

00:11:31.620 that commutations

00:11:33.060 are pardon be granted.

00:11:34.300 And the New York Times

00:11:35.320 continued to say,

00:11:36.400 this is a quote,

00:11:37.220 Mr. Biden

00:11:39.040 did not individually

00:11:40.540 approve each name

00:11:41.960 for the categorical pardons

00:11:44.120 that applied

00:11:44.760 to large numbers

00:11:45.600 of people.

00:11:46.620 He and aides confirmed.

00:11:48.860 Rather,

00:11:49.520 after an extensive discussion

00:11:50.780 of different possible criteria,

00:11:52.300 he signed off

00:11:53.120 on the standards

00:11:53.760 he wanted to use

00:11:54.720 to determine

00:11:55.880 which convicts

00:11:57.120 would qualify

00:11:57.740 for a reduction

00:11:58.460 in sentence.

00:12:00.000 Even after Mr. Biden

00:12:01.600 made that decision,

00:12:02.540 one former aide said,

00:12:04.000 the Bureau of Prisons

00:12:05.340 kept providing

00:12:06.180 additional information

00:12:07.300 about specific inmates,

00:12:09.100 resulting in small

00:12:10.340 changes to the list.

00:12:12.240 Rather than asking

00:12:13.400 Mr. Biden

00:12:14.100 to keep signing

00:12:15.060 revised versions,

00:12:16.620 his staff waited

00:12:17.660 and then ran

00:12:18.600 the final version

00:12:19.460 through the auto pen,

00:12:21.220 which they saw

00:12:22.420 as a routine procedure,

00:12:25.020 the aide said.

00:12:25.880 And here's what my letter

00:12:26.660 says to the Attorney General.

00:12:28.400 These and other reports

00:12:29.380 suggest that

00:12:30.080 Biden-Harris officials

00:12:31.080 took advantage

00:12:31.860 of the decline

00:12:32.660 in the president's

00:12:33.420 mental acuity

00:12:34.160 coupled with the chaos

00:12:35.920 of the presidential transition

00:12:37.320 to implement

00:12:38.620 sweeping,

00:12:39.620 fringe,

00:12:40.140 progressive policies

00:12:41.160 on crime

00:12:42.000 and law enforcement

00:12:43.320 and to usurp

00:12:44.240 authorities

00:12:44.900 solely reserved

00:12:46.260 for the president

00:12:46.940 in which he is

00:12:47.700 forbidden from delegating.

00:12:50.020 Such an act

00:12:50.840 would constitute

00:12:51.560 a direct

00:12:52.280 and unprecedented

00:12:53.820 assault

00:12:54.500 on our constitutional order.

00:12:55.960 And so I'm calling

00:12:56.680 for the Department of Justice.

00:12:58.180 Look,

00:12:58.380 these records,

00:12:59.720 DOJ and the White House

00:13:00.900 have these records.

00:13:01.980 They've got a complete record

00:13:03.160 of everything that happened.

00:13:04.680 And so what I'm asking

00:13:05.740 the Attorney General

00:13:06.540 to do is systematically

00:13:07.780 evaluate all of them

00:13:09.280 and for any pardon,

00:13:10.620 any commutation

00:13:11.400 that there is not

00:13:12.140 clear evidence

00:13:12.920 that Joseph Robinette

00:13:14.480 Biden Jr.

00:13:15.920 personally signed off on

00:13:17.340 that DOJ

00:13:18.460 declare them null and void

00:13:19.940 and pursue legal avenues

00:13:21.940 to have them

00:13:23.020 declare null and void

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00:13:56.880 All right,

00:13:57.500 let me ask you,

00:13:58.300 and I got two different aspects

00:13:59.640 of this I want to ask you about.

00:14:00.500 One,

00:14:00.980 if you are a staffer

00:14:03.100 at the White House

00:14:03.920 and you're fielding phone calls

00:14:05.920 from friends,

00:14:07.400 colleagues,

00:14:08.080 people that know

00:14:08.780 how to get in touch with you,

00:14:10.220 and you're handing out

00:14:12.080 these commutations

00:14:13.040 or pardons like candy,

00:14:15.040 is that illegal

00:14:16.200 if you're doing it

00:14:17.520 without the president's knowledge?

00:14:19.120 Okay,

00:14:19.440 so for sure that's illegal.

00:14:21.240 Then the second question is,

00:14:22.900 as you're asking

00:14:23.900 how you're going to do this.

00:14:24.720 It's not actually a pardon.

00:14:26.700 I mean,

00:14:26.980 Ben,

00:14:27.880 you could decide today

00:14:29.920 that you want to pardon someone.

00:14:31.620 You could declare,

00:14:32.580 I, Ben Ferguson,

00:14:33.780 hereby pardon Charles Manson.

00:14:36.280 Yeah.

00:14:36.720 Now,

00:14:37.740 Charles Manson

00:14:38.440 would not be pardoned.

00:14:39.320 That's very nice

00:14:40.100 that you like 1.00

00:14:41.140 psychotic mass murderers. 1.00

00:14:42.440 Sorry, Ben.

00:14:43.720 But it has no legal force.

00:14:45.900 You always give me the best examples.

00:14:46.720 I appreciate that.

00:14:49.180 But,

00:14:49.420 but,

00:14:49.900 you know,

00:14:50.500 there is only one human being

00:14:52.880 on planet Earth

00:14:53.860 that can pardon anyone

00:14:55.080 from a federal crime

00:14:56.060 and that is the sitting

00:14:57.300 president of the United States.

00:14:58.700 A former president

00:14:59.380 can't do it.

00:15:00.040 It is only the current president.

00:15:01.620 Today,

00:15:02.040 that is Donald Trump.

00:15:03.620 A year ago,

00:15:04.560 it was Joseph Biden.

00:15:06.060 So,

00:15:06.600 so if,

00:15:07.140 did I break a law

00:15:08.420 working at the White House

00:15:09.420 in that scenario

00:15:09.960 and will there be accountability

00:15:11.080 or did I just get away with it

00:15:12.780 by literally

00:15:13.420 having Joe Biden's pen

00:15:15.380 and saying,

00:15:16.440 he doesn't know about this

00:15:17.260 but I'm,

00:15:18.120 because I'm in the White House

00:15:19.260 and I've got access,

00:15:20.560 I'm making it happen.

00:15:21.840 Is there any crime

00:15:23.060 that's been committed

00:15:23.780 by the person

00:15:24.580 giving out the pardon

00:15:25.300 if it was not authorized

00:15:26.540 by Joe Biden?

00:15:28.620 You know,

00:15:29.120 it's not clear

00:15:30.120 that there is a violation

00:15:31.460 of federal law.

00:15:32.300 It's not clear

00:15:32.740 that that's a criminal act.

00:15:34.180 If,

00:15:34.280 if you declare

00:15:35.180 I Ben Ferguson

00:15:36.580 hereby pardon Bob,

00:15:38.720 yeah,

00:15:39.100 it wouldn't mean

00:15:39.680 if I'm impersonating

00:15:41.380 the president

00:15:41.880 of the United States

00:15:42.420 of America,

00:15:42.860 how is that not

00:15:43.620 breaking some law?

00:15:45.120 Look,

00:15:45.600 you might make an argument

00:15:46.940 that,

00:15:47.480 that it is misuse

00:15:48.760 of government resources

00:15:49.980 or essentially

00:15:51.240 counterfeiting

00:15:52.560 or creating

00:15:53.200 fraudulent documents.

00:15:54.760 I think it would be difficult

00:15:56.400 to get any criminal conviction

00:15:58.400 on that.

00:15:59.420 It's not likely.

00:16:00.340 To get a criminal conviction

00:16:01.360 you'd have to prove

00:16:02.180 mens rea,

00:16:02.820 you'd have to prove

00:16:03.600 a guilty state of mind.

00:16:05.200 I think that would be difficult.

00:16:06.900 I think the natural

00:16:08.400 answer to account...

00:16:10.000 Hold on,

00:16:10.180 I've got a question too here

00:16:10.340 about Bob.

00:16:10.960 Yeah.

00:16:11.140 All right.

00:16:11.880 If Bob hooks me up

00:16:13.900 with a job

00:16:15.060 when I leave the White House

00:16:16.000 and sorry I'm cynical

00:16:16.980 but I am very cynical.

00:16:18.620 Look,

00:16:19.200 then if there was a

00:16:20.580 quid pro quo,

00:16:21.360 that's bribery

00:16:21.960 and that you can be

00:16:23.360 prosecuted for

00:16:24.140 if you can prove

00:16:26.240 there's a quid pro quo.

00:16:27.600 Sorry,

00:16:28.060 I'm cynical,

00:16:29.240 Senator.

00:16:29.520 I'm cynical as can be

00:16:30.460 and if you're giving out

00:16:31.460 this many pardons,

00:16:32.540 somebody had to get

00:16:33.860 a kickback here

00:16:34.760 for this to make sense.

00:16:36.280 I don't think

00:16:36.860 there's a bunch

00:16:37.280 of do-gooders

00:16:37.920 that are just

00:16:38.780 randomly handing out

00:16:40.160 pardons

00:16:40.600 at a record rate

00:16:41.920 that is unprecedented

00:16:43.020 as you described it earlier

00:16:44.240 for nothing.

00:16:46.040 I don't believe that.

00:16:46.920 But I will say,

00:16:48.420 so many of these people

00:16:49.200 getting pardons

00:16:49.920 were not Mark Rich,

00:16:52.260 the financier

00:16:52.980 that Bill Clinton

00:16:53.580 gave a pardon to

00:16:54.580 that by all accounts

00:16:56.160 appears to be

00:16:56.780 in an exchange

00:16:57.400 for millions of dollars

00:16:58.440 of contributions

00:16:59.240 from his wife.

00:17:01.040 I mean,

00:17:01.460 that is corruption

00:17:03.000 on its face.

00:17:03.840 By the way,

00:17:04.280 Eric Holder was the one

00:17:05.260 who brokered that whole deal.

00:17:07.420 That's one scenario.

00:17:08.880 Most of these pardons

00:17:10.220 at the end,

00:17:10.820 so you had different categories.

00:17:12.520 So Joe Biden,

00:17:13.500 of all the final pardons,

00:17:14.740 you know he signed only one.

00:17:15.940 Do you know whose pardon

00:17:16.500 he signed?

00:17:17.240 I know this

00:17:17.960 because, you know,

00:17:18.960 I'm astute political.

00:17:22.620 Okay, it wasn't Bob.

00:17:24.200 It wasn't.

00:17:24.740 I know who it was.

00:17:25.600 It was not Bob.

00:17:26.440 It was a guy

00:17:27.080 by the name of Hunter Biden.

00:17:28.980 The only one

00:17:30.400 that Biden signed.

00:17:31.440 So he auto-pinned

00:17:32.460 Mark Milley.

00:17:33.260 He auto-pinned Liz Cheney. 1.00

00:17:35.080 He auto-pinned Anthony Fauci.

00:17:36.980 Or I say he auto-pinned

00:17:38.340 White House staff auto-pinned.

00:17:40.000 Somebody did.

00:17:41.840 You know,

00:17:42.660 I don't know

00:17:43.820 of specific evidence

00:17:45.080 that the pardons

00:17:46.380 at the end

00:17:47.100 were in exchange

00:17:48.000 for a quid pro quo.

00:17:49.100 They weren't like

00:17:49.820 big Democrat money men.

00:17:52.400 Yeah.

00:17:52.500 They were more,

00:17:53.680 number one,

00:17:54.480 people like Fauci

00:17:55.400 or Milley

00:17:55.960 or people like

00:17:57.940 the January 6th commission,

00:18:01.320 Adam Schiff,

00:18:02.720 Adam Kinzinger.

00:18:03.820 Kinzinger, yeah.

00:18:04.940 And so I don't think,

00:18:06.980 I have no evidence

00:18:08.160 or indication

00:18:08.900 that any of those

00:18:09.700 were a quid pro quo.

00:18:10.380 I think those are more

00:18:11.100 political and ideological.

00:18:13.240 And then a bunch

00:18:14.340 of these

00:18:15.040 were fringe progressive,

00:18:18.000 like just letting people

00:18:19.380 out of jail.

00:18:20.180 And so they were people,

00:18:21.300 they were crack dealers

00:18:22.160 and crack users in jail.

00:18:24.060 So I,

00:18:24.760 we have no indication

00:18:26.220 that it was to benefit

00:18:27.700 Democrat money bags

00:18:29.440 as compared to just

00:18:30.740 left-wing ideology

00:18:32.120 that said,

00:18:32.920 let's let criminals go. 0.94

00:18:33.860 I think it was more

00:18:35.260 the ideology

00:18:37.060 of a 24-year-old

00:18:38.780 leftist in the White House

00:18:40.480 that had a hell of a lot of power

00:18:42.120 because he had a pen

00:18:42.900 of a guy

00:18:43.300 that didn't know

00:18:43.740 who he was.

00:18:45.200 It's,

00:18:45.680 look,

00:18:46.080 look,

00:18:46.740 Donald Trump

00:18:47.420 has put up

00:18:48.100 next to the pictures

00:18:49.480 of presidents

00:18:50.100 of the United States

00:18:51.100 in between 45,

00:18:52.520 which would be

00:18:52.840 Donald J. Trump,

00:18:53.700 and 47,

00:18:54.660 which would be

00:18:55.000 Donald J. Trump.

00:18:55.740 He has 46

00:18:56.320 and he has a picture

00:18:57.080 of the auto pen,

00:18:57.880 which is,

00:18:58.880 I gotta say,

00:18:59.940 world-class trolling.

00:19:01.480 But in many ways

00:19:03.240 that auto pen,

00:19:04.620 you know,

00:19:04.980 instead of

00:19:05.460 hail to the chief,

00:19:06.120 it was hail to the BIC.

00:19:07.640 All right,

00:19:07.940 so here's my final question

00:19:09.100 on this.

00:19:09.980 How long does this,

00:19:10.980 how far does this go?

00:19:11.960 Does this go to courts?

00:19:13.260 Does this go to hearings?

00:19:14.820 Does this go to the Supreme Court?

00:19:16.600 Are there lawsuits

00:19:17.440 that are gonna have to take place

00:19:18.720 if they go after

00:19:19.760 and figure this out?

00:19:20.760 And is that

00:19:22.020 what would happen

00:19:22.980 because the people

00:19:23.880 that got the pardons

00:19:24.720 would immediately

00:19:25.260 go to the court

00:19:26.100 and say,

00:19:26.500 no, no, no,

00:19:27.280 mine is legit, right?

00:19:28.700 I got an auto pen signed,

00:19:30.120 but it's legit.

00:19:30.740 They're gonna fight.

00:19:31.500 They're not,

00:19:31.740 I'm assuming

00:19:32.060 they're just gonna like

00:19:32.700 go turn themselves

00:19:33.720 back into prison.

00:19:35.420 Yeah,

00:19:35.600 so look,

00:19:36.240 what I'm advocating

00:19:37.720 and the reason I wrote

00:19:38.660 this is a lengthy letter

00:19:39.700 to the Attorney General

00:19:40.580 is I'm advocating

00:19:41.380 that DOJ

00:19:41.980 and the White House Council

00:19:43.000 analyze all of the records

00:19:44.560 and determine

00:19:45.640 those pardons

00:19:46.320 or commutations

00:19:47.140 that there is

00:19:47.940 the clearest evidence

00:19:49.200 that Joe Biden

00:19:49.880 had no awareness of it.

00:19:52.000 You know,

00:19:52.300 I might start

00:19:53.080 with one of the names

00:19:54.280 that like the Bureau of Prison

00:19:55.540 added at the very end

00:19:56.820 that wasn't even

00:19:57.360 on the initial list.

00:19:58.660 Yeah.

00:19:59.140 Because that,

00:20:00.960 you could make

00:20:01.900 a pretty powerful case,

00:20:03.240 okay,

00:20:04.080 like Biden

00:20:04.660 had no awareness

00:20:05.620 of this person at all.

00:20:07.340 Yeah.

00:20:07.480 And then,

00:20:08.400 and then,

00:20:09.020 then this is where

00:20:10.460 you would want DOJ

00:20:11.580 to formulate

00:20:13.600 a legal strategy

00:20:14.640 for how to challenge

00:20:15.520 their validity.

00:20:16.680 I might start

00:20:17.520 by putting out a list.

00:20:19.440 It is the position

00:20:20.120 of the Department of Justice

00:20:21.200 that the following

00:20:21.940 commutations

00:20:22.680 and or pardons

00:20:23.540 are null and void

00:20:24.760 because they were not

00:20:25.540 authorized by the President

00:20:26.640 of the United States.

00:20:27.440 Now,

00:20:28.160 commutation,

00:20:29.000 they're shortening

00:20:29.560 the sentences

00:20:30.140 of criminals in jail.

00:20:32.120 The next step

00:20:33.280 might be

00:20:33.920 to,

00:20:34.320 to,

00:20:34.600 to send

00:20:35.260 the U.S. Marshals

00:20:36.620 to go arrest

00:20:38.200 someone who had been

00:20:39.060 commuted and released

00:20:39.920 from jail

00:20:40.480 and,

00:20:41.340 and to

00:20:42.000 remand him again

00:20:44.220 to the Bureau of Prisons

00:20:45.200 to serve

00:20:45.900 the,

00:20:46.360 the rest

00:20:48.500 of his sentence.

00:20:49.340 Now,

00:20:50.520 almost immediately

00:20:51.580 that,

00:20:52.160 that defendant

00:20:52.780 would,

00:20:53.220 would file a legal claim

00:20:54.500 challenging that

00:20:55.360 and,

00:20:55.720 and would probably

00:20:56.420 file a,

00:20:57.100 a writ of habeas corpus.

00:20:58.460 Habeas corpus is Latin 0.88

00:20:59.460 for produce the body

00:21:00.660 and,

00:21:01.500 and would challenge

00:21:02.720 that he cannot be

00:21:04.180 incarcerated on that crime

00:21:05.860 because his sentence

00:21:07.320 was commuted

00:21:08.000 by the President

00:21:08.600 of the United States.

00:21:09.860 That's probably

00:21:10.880 the legal,

00:21:11.580 legal forum

00:21:12.360 in which it would

00:21:12.880 be adjudicated

00:21:13.640 would be the Department

00:21:14.460 of Justice

00:21:15.000 re-arresting someone

00:21:16.380 and the defendant

00:21:17.620 then making the argument

00:21:18.780 I'm protected

00:21:19.520 by a presidential

00:21:20.300 commutation

00:21:21.140 and then DOJ

00:21:22.440 would litigate

00:21:23.240 that matter in court.

00:21:24.140 So I would start

00:21:25.220 with picking

00:21:25.820 the best test cases

00:21:27.020 and go there

00:21:28.220 and,

00:21:28.460 and I very much

00:21:29.160 hope the Department

00:21:29.740 of Justice

00:21:30.180 does that.

00:21:30.820 It's the right

00:21:31.180 thing to do.

00:21:32.160 All right,

00:21:32.640 I want to take a moment

00:21:33.400 and I want to talk

00:21:34.060 to you real quick

00:21:34.780 about what you can do

00:21:36.900 to help the people

00:21:38.400 in Israel.

00:21:40.020 It was nearly

00:21:40.580 two years ago

00:21:41.440 that the terrorists

00:21:42.380 murdered more than

00:21:43.400 1,200 innocent Israelis

00:21:45.880 and they took

00:21:46.800 250 hostages.

00:21:48.860 Today,

00:21:49.260 it seems as if

00:21:49.960 the cries of the dead

00:21:51.280 and dying

00:21:52.000 have been drowned

00:21:52.840 out by the shouts

00:21:53.780 of anti-Semitism

00:21:54.780 and just pure hatred

00:21:55.860 not just in America

00:21:56.720 but around the world

00:21:57.980 and the most brutal

00:21:59.220 attack on Jewish people 0.96

00:22:00.440 happened.

00:22:01.160 It happened

00:22:02.080 since the Holocaust 0.89

00:22:03.540 and now it's like

00:22:05.120 they're trying to act

00:22:06.080 like it never happened.

00:22:07.920 Now,

00:22:08.140 this is where

00:22:08.980 it is important

00:22:09.680 for us to stand

00:22:10.480 with the people

00:22:11.000 in Israel.

00:22:12.400 It's a movement

00:22:13.620 of love and support

00:22:14.780 for the people

00:22:15.400 of Israel

00:22:15.860 and this is where

00:22:17.840 I want you

00:22:18.440 to get involved.

00:22:19.160 It is called

00:22:19.740 Flags of Fellowship.

00:22:21.880 It's being organized

00:22:22.940 by the International

00:22:24.080 Fellowship of Christians 0.70

00:22:25.280 and Jews

00:22:25.920 and on October the 5th

00:22:28.220 you can stand

00:22:29.760 with Israel

00:22:30.740 and the victims

00:22:31.580 proudly.

00:22:32.800 Just a few weeks away

00:22:34.040 millions across America

00:22:36.180 will prayerfully plant

00:22:37.960 an Israeli flag

00:22:39.040 in honor

00:22:39.820 and solidarity

00:22:40.720 with the victims

00:22:41.540 of October the 7th

00:22:43.300 2023

00:22:43.860 and stand

00:22:45.900 with their grieving families.

00:22:47.600 You can be a part

00:22:49.000 of this movement

00:22:49.820 as well

00:22:50.580 and that's

00:22:51.340 what I love

00:22:52.020 about what

00:22:52.520 IFCJ does.

00:22:53.840 They're making sure

00:22:55.040 that the world

00:22:55.700 knows there are

00:22:56.460 lots of people

00:22:57.860 of faith

00:22:58.320 in this country

00:22:59.180 and friends

00:23:00.460 and advocates

00:23:01.660 for Israel

00:23:02.260 that are going

00:23:02.580 to stand with them.

00:23:03.720 You can get

00:23:04.040 more information

00:23:04.980 about how you can

00:23:05.960 join the Flags

00:23:06.820 of Fellowship movement

00:23:07.660 including your church.

00:23:10.440 There are going

00:23:10.900 to be countless

00:23:11.640 churches around the country

00:23:12.640 that are going

00:23:12.900 to plant flags

00:23:13.680 as well.

00:23:14.340 So all you have

00:23:15.700 to do to get

00:23:16.260 involved

00:23:16.740 with Flags

00:23:17.480 of Fellowship

00:23:18.040 movement

00:23:18.300 is go to

00:23:19.440 ifcj.org

00:23:21.820 That's

00:23:22.300 ifcj.org

00:23:24.680 Stand with Israel

00:23:25.960 on October the 5th

00:23:26.880 It's just a few weeks

00:23:27.700 away

00:23:28.060 and if your church

00:23:29.600 you think would

00:23:30.220 want to be involved

00:23:30.900 you can also

00:23:31.560 find out more

00:23:32.120 about how to get

00:23:32.940 your church

00:23:33.340 to be involved

00:23:34.200 on a special Sunday

00:23:35.820 at ifcj.org

00:23:38.060 That's

00:23:38.380 ifcj.org

00:23:41.060 All right Senator

00:23:42.020 I want to talk about

00:23:42.980 we're talking about

00:23:43.500 standing up for people

00:23:44.680 of faith

00:23:45.180 and this is a story

00:23:46.800 that has certainly

00:23:47.560 been unreported

00:23:49.180 or underreported

00:23:51.060 at best

00:23:51.900 and it deals

00:23:53.280 with what is

00:23:54.400 happening

00:23:54.800 with the persecution

00:23:55.620 of Christians

00:23:56.720 in Nigeria

00:23:57.820 We also just

00:23:59.320 had this attack

00:24:00.040 as you mentioned

00:24:00.700 at the beginning

00:24:01.740 of the show

00:24:02.360 where 60 plus

00:24:03.940 were murdered

00:24:04.680 Talk a little bit

00:24:05.960 about this

00:24:06.640 and what you're

00:24:07.200 doing to stand up

00:24:07.980 Well in Nigeria 0.93

00:24:10.120 the persecution

00:24:11.020 of Christians

00:24:12.080 has been

00:24:12.880 nothing short

00:24:13.580 of horrific

00:24:14.040 and I've spent

00:24:15.120 my tenure

00:24:16.000 in the Senate

00:24:16.640 advocating

00:24:17.820 for those

00:24:18.740 who are being

00:24:19.220 persecuted

00:24:19.680 for their faith

00:24:20.520 advocating for

00:24:21.320 Christians

00:24:21.720 who are facing

00:24:22.760 imprisonment

00:24:24.680 and torture

00:24:25.560 and murder

00:24:26.140 The sheer scope

00:24:28.500 of it in Nigeria

00:24:29.460 is staggering

00:24:30.260 Boko Haram

00:24:31.700 the radical

00:24:34.120 Islamist group

00:24:35.020 in Nigeria

00:24:35.640 since their

00:24:36.240 2009 insurgency

00:24:37.820 Boko Haram

00:24:39.480 has killed

00:24:40.100 over 50,000 0.81

00:24:42.660 Christians

00:24:43.460 in Nigeria

00:24:44.260 over 50,000

00:24:46.220 and that's

00:24:47.320 according to

00:24:47.760 a 2023 report

00:24:48.940 from the

00:24:49.260 International Society

00:24:50.220 for Civil Liberties

00:24:51.020 and the Rule

00:24:51.440 of Law

00:24:51.860 which is a

00:24:52.520 Nigerian

00:24:53.420 human rights

00:24:53.920 watchdog

00:24:54.540 over 18,000

00:24:57.740 Christian churches

00:24:59.120 and over

00:25:00.640 2,000

00:25:01.680 Christian schools

00:25:02.860 have been

00:25:03.820 attacked

00:25:04.360 during the

00:25:05.240 same time period

00:25:06.160 and to put

00:25:06.880 that in

00:25:07.960 comparison

00:25:08.500 the watchdog

00:25:09.220 also concluded

00:25:10.160 that 34,000

00:25:12.800 moderate Muslims

00:25:13.960 died from

00:25:15.300 jihadist attacks

00:25:16.160 so the jihadists

00:25:16.940 they target 0.93

00:25:17.560 Muslims who 0.71

00:25:19.740 don't embrace

00:25:20.400 jihad

00:25:20.780 but they

00:25:22.140 especially

00:25:22.740 in Nigeria

00:25:24.080 target

00:25:24.820 Christians

00:25:26.420 between

00:25:26.880 2015

00:25:27.660 and 2025

00:25:28.680 an estimated

00:25:30.860 145

00:25:33.040 priests

00:25:33.860 were kidnapped

00:25:35.620 in Nigeria

00:25:36.640 multiple

00:25:38.880 priest

00:25:39.500 kidnappings

00:25:40.280 have happened

00:25:40.940 this year

00:25:41.840 including one

00:25:43.680 that Boko Haram 0.97

00:25:44.620 carried out

00:25:45.280 in June

00:25:46.160 the terror

00:25:47.640 group

00:25:48.100 abducted

00:25:49.040 Father

00:25:49.400 Alphonsus

00:25:50.140 Afina

00:25:50.760 held him

00:25:51.560 in captivity

00:25:52.100 for weeks

00:25:52.760 before releasing

00:25:53.580 him and thank

00:25:54.140 God he was

00:25:54.640 unharmed

00:25:55.540 Afina spent 0.89

00:25:57.380 over 50

00:25:58.220 days

00:25:58.840 in captivity

00:25:59.980 and

00:26:01.560 he had

00:26:03.120 previously

00:26:04.020 spent six

00:26:04.760 years in

00:26:05.320 ministry

00:26:05.680 in the

00:26:06.000 United

00:26:06.260 States

00:26:06.760 and

00:26:07.840 violence

00:26:08.720 against

00:26:09.520 Christians

00:26:10.160 in Nigeria

00:26:11.140 has been

00:26:11.800 a horrific

00:26:12.220 problem

00:26:12.680 in June

00:26:13.420 just a couple

00:26:13.900 of months

00:26:14.180 ago

00:26:14.480 jihadists

00:26:16.000 killed

00:26:16.520 over 200

00:26:18.040 Nigerian

00:26:19.500 Christian

00:26:20.160 villagers

00:26:20.740 in a

00:26:22.040 farming

00:26:22.360 community

00:26:22.980 that is

00:26:23.580 97%

00:26:24.800 Catholic

00:26:25.480 this is

00:26:28.240 a massive

00:26:29.100 problem

00:26:29.660 and it's

00:26:30.320 a problem

00:26:30.900 that occurs

00:26:31.660 with the

00:26:32.240 complicity

00:26:33.080 of many

00:26:33.700 officials

00:26:34.300 of judges

00:26:35.120 of ministers

00:26:36.240 of officials

00:26:36.960 in the

00:26:37.220 Nigerian

00:26:37.700 government

00:26:38.080 so what

00:26:39.020 I did

00:26:39.420 this week

00:26:39.960 is I

00:26:40.280 filed

00:26:40.580 legislation

00:26:41.200 that's

00:26:42.420 called

00:26:42.660 the

00:26:42.840 Nigeria

00:26:43.420 Religious

00:26:44.160 Freedom

00:26:44.560 Accountability

00:26:45.240 Act

00:26:45.580 of 2025

00:26:46.280 and it

00:26:47.980 does

00:26:48.680 several

00:26:49.100 things

00:26:49.420 number

00:26:49.620 one

00:26:49.980 it requires

00:26:50.660 the

00:26:50.880 Secretary

00:26:51.240 of State

00:26:51.780 to

00:26:52.680 classify

00:26:53.240 Nigeria

00:26:53.940 as a

00:26:54.580 country

00:26:55.060 of particular

00:26:55.860 concern

00:26:56.420 and that

00:26:57.820 would

00:26:58.020 add

00:26:58.580 Nigeria

00:26:59.160 to a

00:26:59.540 list

00:26:59.760 of

00:26:59.920 countries

00:27:00.280 where

00:27:00.460 religious

00:27:00.780 freedom

00:27:01.120 is

00:27:01.320 severely

00:27:01.640 limited

00:27:02.060 the

00:27:02.840 State

00:27:03.080 Department's

00:27:03.620 list

00:27:03.840 right now

00:27:04.380 includes

00:27:04.780 Saudi

00:27:05.080 Arabia

00:27:05.520 Pakistan

00:27:06.760 North

00:27:07.420 Korea 0.61

00:27:07.900 Iran

00:27:08.880 Cuba

00:27:09.660 and other

00:27:10.780 nations

00:27:11.240 outside the

00:27:11.800 Western

00:27:12.060 world

00:27:12.480 and

00:27:13.600 severe

00:27:14.780 violations

00:27:15.420 of

00:27:15.700 religious

00:27:15.980 freedom

00:27:16.380 include

00:27:17.020 torture

00:27:18.260 detention

00:27:19.000 without

00:27:19.360 charges

00:27:19.880 forced

00:27:20.320 disappearance

00:27:20.880 and other

00:27:21.400 flagrant

00:27:21.920 denials of

00:27:22.500 basic

00:27:22.780 rights

00:27:23.180 additionally

00:27:24.420 my

00:27:25.440 legislation

00:27:26.180 would

00:27:26.920 ensure

00:27:27.460 that the

00:27:27.900 State

00:27:28.120 Department

00:27:28.560 keeps

00:27:29.080 the

00:27:29.300 Islamist 0.99

00:27:29.880 terrorist 0.98

00:27:30.200 groups

00:27:30.700 Boko Haram

00:27:31.940 and also

00:27:33.520 ISIS

00:27:34.020 West Africa

00:27:34.980 designated

00:27:35.640 as entities

00:27:36.700 of particular

00:27:37.440 concern

00:27:38.060 a classification

00:27:39.640 for non-state

00:27:40.920 actors responsible

00:27:41.880 for egregious

00:27:42.660 violations of

00:27:43.420 religious

00:27:43.680 liberty

00:27:44.080 Boko Haram

00:27:46.080 stronghold is

00:27:46.980 in northeast

00:27:47.700 Nigeria

00:27:48.340 and it has

00:27:49.420 an active

00:27:49.840 presence in

00:27:50.500 several countries

00:27:51.320 bordering

00:27:51.880 Nigeria

00:27:52.360 in addition

00:27:53.000 my bill

00:27:54.780 sanctions

00:27:55.580 Nigerian

00:27:56.620 government

00:27:57.040 officials

00:27:57.580 who

00:27:58.680 facilitate

00:27:59.380 persecution

00:28:00.320 against

00:28:00.840 Christians

00:28:01.340 and other

00:28:01.720 religious

00:28:02.020 minorities

00:28:02.580 and if

00:28:03.860 the bill

00:28:04.140 were enacted

00:28:04.700 the State

00:28:05.120 Department

00:28:05.480 would have

00:28:05.820 90 days

00:28:06.520 to submit

00:28:07.840 a report

00:28:08.520 on the

00:28:09.440 Nigerian

00:28:10.020 officials

00:28:10.460 responsible

00:28:11.160 for pushing

00:28:12.380 blasphemy

00:28:13.100 laws and

00:28:13.680 for justifying

00:28:14.640 violence from

00:28:15.480 Islamist 0.81

00:28:16.000 groups

00:28:16.340 this is a

00:28:17.300 very important

00:28:17.960 role for the

00:28:18.560 United States

00:28:19.160 to defend

00:28:19.820 religious

00:28:20.240 liberty

00:28:20.620 to defend

00:28:21.580 persecuted

00:28:22.240 Christians

00:28:22.740 and it's

00:28:23.900 been a

00:28:24.420 passion of

00:28:25.040 mine

00:28:25.360 since getting

00:28:26.620 elected to

00:28:27.100 the Senate

00:28:27.420 13 years

00:28:28.140 ago

00:28:28.400 you know

00:28:28.880 this is

00:28:29.280 something that

00:28:29.680 really does

00:28:30.580 concern me

00:28:31.260 it worries

00:28:31.740 me

00:28:32.100 and we're

00:28:32.880 seeing and

00:28:33.480 witnessing now

00:28:34.160 so much

00:28:34.880 not just

00:28:35.760 anti-Semitism

00:28:36.480 but just

00:28:37.140 anti-faith

00:28:38.360 anti-Christian

00:28:39.400 and it's

00:28:40.760 happening not

00:28:41.680 just around

00:28:42.080 the world

00:28:42.460 but also

00:28:43.380 well

00:28:43.700 Monday's

00:28:44.460 pod

00:28:44.760 focused on

00:28:46.520 how the

00:28:46.860 Biden Department

00:28:47.780 of Justice

00:28:48.360 actively

00:28:49.280 discriminated

00:28:50.140 against

00:28:50.580 Christians

00:28:51.080 and

00:28:51.380 systematically

00:28:51.980 targeted

00:28:52.560 Christians

00:28:52.960 now

00:28:53.240 thank God

00:28:54.140 they weren't

00:28:54.520 doing things

00:28:55.060 on the level

00:28:55.500 of Boko Haram

00:28:56.260 they weren't

00:28:56.780 kidnapping and

00:28:57.720 murdering them 0.99

00:28:58.400 but there was 0.99

00:28:59.680 religious discrimination

00:29:00.860 and part of

00:29:02.460 religious discrimination

00:29:03.300 is the Biden

00:29:04.140 administration

00:29:04.760 effectively

00:29:05.280 turned a

00:29:05.940 blind eye

00:29:06.760 to the

00:29:07.380 persecution

00:29:07.900 of Christians

00:29:08.520 abroad

00:29:09.080 so it wasn't

00:29:10.020 committing these

00:29:11.220 atrocities

00:29:11.880 but it also

00:29:13.000 was not acting

00:29:13.980 nearly as

00:29:14.560 vigorously as

00:29:15.260 it should be

00:29:16.020 to defend

00:29:17.360 religious liberty

00:29:18.100 abroad

00:29:18.520 yeah

00:29:19.200 great point

00:29:20.060 there

00:29:20.280 we're gonna

00:29:20.660 in this

00:29:21.300 moving forward

00:29:22.160 hopefully we'll

00:29:23.500 set a standard

00:29:24.060 that America

00:29:24.580 is not going to

00:29:25.080 just stand by

00:29:25.600 and allow this

00:29:26.080 to happen

00:29:26.480 right

00:29:26.780 well well

00:29:27.520 yes

00:29:28.240 and and Ben

00:29:29.100 I'll give an

00:29:29.760 example

00:29:30.200 an example

00:29:30.760 during the

00:29:31.220 Obama

00:29:31.560 administration

00:29:32.080 there was a

00:29:33.680 young woman

00:29:34.180 in Sudan

00:29:34.680 named

00:29:36.100 Miriam Ibrahim

00:29:37.040 and and

00:29:38.480 Miriam Ibrahim

00:29:39.200 was sentenced

00:29:40.060 to receive

00:29:41.320 100 lashes

00:29:42.480 and then to 0.96

00:29:44.180 hang by the 0.97

00:29:44.840 neck until 0.98

00:29:45.360 dead 0.99

00:29:45.700 wow

00:29:46.640 and her

00:29:47.020 crime

00:29:47.620 was being

00:29:49.340 a Christian

00:29:49.940 that's it

00:29:51.320 for for the

00:29:52.300 crime of being

00:29:53.220 a Christian

00:29:53.760 she was

00:29:54.220 sentenced to

00:29:54.740 that

00:29:55.020 she was in

00:29:56.020 a prison

00:29:56.400 cell

00:29:56.780 she had a

00:29:58.200 toddler

00:29:58.660 named Martin

00:30:00.200 who was 18

00:30:00.980 months old

00:30:01.580 and she was

00:30:02.640 pregnant 0.80

00:30:02.980 she was

00:30:03.340 pregnant 0.80

00:30:03.760 she gave

00:30:04.260 birth to a

00:30:04.860 little girl

00:30:05.300 named Maya

00:30:05.920 Maya was

00:30:07.740 born in

00:30:08.520 that prison

00:30:09.060 cell

00:30:09.560 while Miriam

00:30:11.000 Ibrahim had 0.66

00:30:11.900 her legs

00:30:12.560 in leg

00:30:13.080 irons

00:30:13.620 she was in

00:30:14.460 the mud

00:30:15.060 giving birth

00:30:15.880 in leg

00:30:16.360 irons

00:30:16.860 now

00:30:18.180 during the

00:30:19.480 Obama

00:30:19.840 administration

00:30:20.360 I repeatedly

00:30:21.220 spoke out

00:30:21.860 for Miriam

00:30:22.320 Ibrahim

00:30:22.540 I went to

00:30:23.060 the Senate

00:30:23.380 floor

00:30:23.680 I spoke

00:30:24.260 about Miriam

00:30:24.820 Ibrahim

00:30:25.080 I called

00:30:25.840 for Sudan

00:30:26.860 to release

00:30:27.600 Miriam

00:30:28.100 Ibrahim

00:30:28.520 from this

00:30:29.480 persecution

00:30:30.160 others

00:30:31.680 other foreign

00:30:33.280 governments

00:30:33.740 spoke out

00:30:34.280 the Pope

00:30:34.820 spoke out

00:30:35.520 in defense

00:30:36.060 of Miriam

00:30:36.520 Ibrahim

00:30:36.840 you know

00:30:38.000 who wouldn't

00:30:38.540 speak out

00:30:39.040 in defense

00:30:39.420 of her

00:30:39.740 who is

00:30:40.380 that

00:30:40.640 Barack

00:30:41.500 Obama

00:30:41.860 yeah

00:30:42.400 the entire

00:30:43.500 course of

00:30:44.020 his presidency

00:30:44.640 he would

00:30:45.200 not say

00:30:46.120 her name

00:30:47.020 Samantha

00:30:47.900 Power

00:30:48.300 who was

00:30:48.680 Obama's

00:30:49.280 ambassador

00:30:49.740 to the

00:30:50.000 United

00:30:50.240 Nations

00:30:50.620 I have

00:30:50.900 a pretty

00:30:51.120 good

00:30:51.260 relationship

00:30:51.740 with

00:30:52.000 Samantha

00:30:52.380 and on

00:30:53.240 Miriam

00:30:53.540 Ibrahim

00:30:53.820 Samantha

00:30:54.380 Power

00:30:54.700 was actually

00:30:55.200 quite good

00:30:55.680 she spoke

00:30:56.380 out

00:30:56.760 urging

00:30:58.340 Sudan

00:30:58.820 to let

00:31:00.440 Miriam

00:31:00.780 Ibrahim

00:31:01.040 go

00:31:01.460 I

00:31:03.020 practically

00:31:04.320 begged

00:31:05.160 Samantha

00:31:05.640 Power

00:31:06.000 why won't

00:31:07.060 Obama

00:31:07.520 say her

00:31:08.100 name

00:31:08.420 look we

00:31:08.980 can disagree

00:31:09.460 on political

00:31:10.060 and partisan

00:31:10.560 issues

00:31:11.560 but she's 0.97

00:31:13.060 in prison

00:31:13.720 and sentenced 0.98

00:31:14.240 to die 1.00

00:31:14.940 for being 1.00

00:31:15.460 a Christian

00:31:15.960 the entire

00:31:17.800 course of his

00:31:18.420 presidency

00:31:18.840 I could not

00:31:19.500 get Obama

00:31:20.000 to say her

00:31:20.540 name

00:31:20.800 even once

00:31:21.620 ultimately

00:31:22.280 though

00:31:22.660 the international

00:31:24.300 pressure

00:31:24.920 became so

00:31:25.740 acute

00:31:26.240 that the

00:31:27.240 government

00:31:27.540 of Sudan

00:31:28.040 gave in

00:31:28.640 she was

00:31:29.020 married

00:31:29.520 Miriam

00:31:30.000 is married

00:31:30.740 to a man

00:31:31.360 from New

00:31:31.700 Hampshire

00:31:32.040 and so

00:31:33.280 Sudan

00:31:33.720 released her

00:31:34.780 and she

00:31:35.040 came to

00:31:35.340 the United

00:31:35.640 States

00:31:35.960 to be

00:31:36.200 with her

00:31:36.420 husband

00:31:36.700 I met

00:31:38.440 Miriam

00:31:38.800 Ibrahim

00:31:39.140 at a

00:31:40.440 gathering

00:31:41.040 and she

00:31:42.780 was speaking

00:31:43.320 about her

00:31:43.840 experience

00:31:44.360 and speaking

00:31:44.780 out for

00:31:45.180 religious

00:31:45.480 liberty

00:31:45.780 and I

00:31:45.980 gotta say

00:31:46.460 Miriam

00:31:47.340 is a

00:31:48.100 tiny

00:31:48.500 woman 0.99

00:31:48.880 she's

00:31:49.520 maybe

00:31:49.740 I don't

00:31:49.980 know

00:31:50.120 five foot

00:31:50.660 one

00:31:51.080 I would

00:31:51.380 be surprised

00:31:52.080 if she

00:31:52.480 weighs even

00:31:53.000 100 pounds

00:31:53.620 she's a

00:31:54.040 very

00:31:54.500 small

00:31:55.160 woman 0.99

00:31:55.500 and she

00:31:57.640 was soft

00:31:58.120 spoken

00:31:58.580 and I

00:31:59.960 asked her

00:32:00.480 look you

00:32:00.860 and I

00:32:01.100 are both

00:32:01.480 Christians

00:32:01.940 our faith

00:32:02.660 matters to

00:32:03.240 us

00:32:03.580 sure

00:32:04.200 but you

00:32:05.820 know what

00:32:06.080 I've never

00:32:06.840 been tested

00:32:07.520 I've never

00:32:07.960 been imprisoned

00:32:08.580 for my

00:32:09.060 faith

00:32:09.360 I've never

00:32:09.880 been told

00:32:10.760 I'm gonna 0.90

00:32:11.560 die 1.00

00:32:11.920 you 1.00

00:32:12.960 we will 1.00

00:32:13.640 murder 1.00

00:32:14.060 you 1.00

00:32:14.540 unless you

00:32:15.560 renounce

00:32:16.020 your faith

00:32:16.480 I hope

00:32:17.200 and pray

00:32:17.640 and believe

00:32:18.240 I would do

00:32:19.300 the right

00:32:19.680 thing and

00:32:20.120 say absolutely

00:32:20.740 not

00:32:21.100 but I've

00:32:22.020 never

00:32:22.160 been tested

00:32:22.660 with that

00:32:23.120 and so

00:32:24.440 when I

00:32:24.760 met her

00:32:25.240 I asked

00:32:26.460 her

00:32:26.600 I said

00:32:26.940 look

00:32:27.220 when you're

00:32:28.580 in that

00:32:29.000 prison cell

00:32:29.640 when they

00:32:29.940 are threatening

00:32:30.420 to torture 0.72

00:32:31.080 you 1.00

00:32:31.480 and murder 1.00

00:32:32.200 you 1.00

00:32:32.560 when you're

00:32:33.240 looking at

00:32:33.800 your babies

00:32:34.520 your toddler

00:32:35.460 son and

00:32:36.120 your newborn

00:32:36.640 daughter

00:32:37.160 and you

00:32:37.520 know that

00:32:38.040 they're about

00:32:38.500 to execute 0.99

00:32:39.120 you

00:32:39.520 how did

00:32:40.840 you not

00:32:41.460 lose hope

00:32:42.800 how did

00:32:43.540 you not

00:32:43.920 give in

00:32:44.400 to despair

00:32:45.080 and Ben

00:32:47.200 she looked

00:32:47.720 at me

00:32:48.100 very very

00:32:48.620 calmly

00:32:49.040 and she

00:32:50.480 just said

00:32:51.100 Jesus

00:32:52.520 was with

00:32:53.020 me

00:32:53.300 wow

00:32:54.240 and it

00:32:56.020 was powerful

00:32:56.940 and

00:32:58.080 and

00:32:58.400 and

00:32:58.720 and I'm

00:32:59.220 hopeful

00:32:59.600 that

00:32:59.920 that my

00:33:00.380 voice

00:33:00.780 then

00:33:01.200 played a

00:33:02.320 part

00:33:02.620 sure

00:33:03.520 in

00:33:03.860 ratcheting

00:33:04.520 up the

00:33:04.900 pressure

00:33:05.220 to get

00:33:05.560 her

00:33:05.680 released

00:33:06.040 from

00:33:06.280 prison

00:33:06.600 and so

00:33:06.920 my

00:33:07.080 hope

00:33:07.320 in

00:33:07.480 Nigeria

00:33:08.000 I'm

00:33:08.720 going to

00:33:08.940 press

00:33:09.220 to get

00:33:09.520 this

00:33:09.720 legislation

00:33:10.280 passed

00:33:10.740 I want

00:33:11.080 to see

00:33:11.480 the

00:33:12.460 Trump

00:33:13.300 administration

00:33:14.120 designate

00:33:15.060 Nigeria

00:33:15.660 and use

00:33:16.940 pressure

00:33:17.420 and in

00:33:17.700 particular

00:33:18.160 there is

00:33:18.780 power to

00:33:19.360 pressuring

00:33:19.840 the Nigerian

00:33:20.480 government

00:33:20.800 officials

00:33:21.180 because you

00:33:21.520 know what

00:33:21.900 ministers of

00:33:23.740 foreign governments

00:33:24.520 they like to

00:33:25.320 get visas

00:33:26.000 and take

00:33:26.880 their wives 0.94

00:33:27.760 to New York

00:33:28.360 to go

00:33:28.660 shopping

00:33:29.120 yeah

00:33:29.980 and if

00:33:31.020 you sanction

00:33:31.820 the individual

00:33:32.980 government

00:33:33.480 officials

00:33:33.960 who are

00:33:34.280 complicit

00:33:34.860 who are

00:33:35.120 facilitating

00:33:35.700 it

00:33:36.100 who are

00:33:36.640 enforcing

00:33:37.300 and prosecuting

00:33:38.180 so-called

00:33:38.660 blasphemy

00:33:39.300 laws

00:33:39.680 that can

00:33:40.680 have a

00:33:41.080 real and

00:33:41.840 powerful

00:33:42.320 effect

00:33:42.760 and so

00:33:43.040 my hope

00:33:43.520 is

00:33:43.800 this

00:33:44.460 legislation

00:33:45.140 and shining

00:33:45.720 a light

00:33:46.180 will protect

00:33:47.540 the Christians

00:33:48.220 who are

00:33:48.580 in Nigeria

00:33:49.360 and will

00:33:49.920 stop

00:33:50.580 the

00:33:51.200 wide scale

00:33:52.620 of murder 0.87

00:33:53.120 of Christians 0.94

00:33:53.940 that has been

00:33:54.420 going on

00:33:54.980 in Nigeria

00:33:55.620 yeah

00:33:56.100 amen to that

00:33:56.940 we're going to

00:33:57.680 keep you updated

00:33:58.180 on this subject

00:33:58.740 don't forget

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 10, 2025

Biden Autopen Pardons are Null & Void plus Fighting Horrific Nigerian Persecution of Christians

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