00:02:21.820That is the other part of this that I know you were hitting on yesterday, a lot of all things Fauci.
00:02:27.360The fact that he thought, I'm just going to write about how handsome I am and how much Julia Roberts just had a twinkle in her eye when I was telling her about mitigation measures.
00:02:41.180uh this guy truly delusional and and now i have to say the the um the mockery that any person can
00:02:51.780see as a result of all this this is what is needed because they were going to hold out on
00:02:56.720all of this and say oh but the science is still with fauci you know clay the defense in recent
00:03:02.600years had been uh it was a fog of war situation it was there's no fog of war when you're writing
00:03:10.800about how you're the most famous person in the world while you're telling everybody if they hug
00:03:15.480grandma you're gonna kill her yeah you know what i mean there's no fog of war defense there the
00:03:20.920whole process i do think we've talked a lot about how history is going to handle covid i think0.98
00:03:28.180fauci on some level is starting to realize oh wait i'm gonna be the bad guy of this story
00:03:36.080you know like you always have that that question do the villains of history totally understand that
00:03:43.480they'll be the villains of history because one of the great um you know sort of cliches of history
00:03:48.160is that the winners write history so we don't really know i mean there's probably a lot of
00:03:53.000good guys that end up losing bad guys write them they're cast differently i mean shakespeare is a
00:03:57.760great example of this in the way that his uh history plays defined what we think oftentimes
00:04:04.620about English kings, Scottish kings, all these different things.
00:08:31.900But, Buck, you are a great example of this.
00:08:35.000I'm in Florida right now doing the show.1.00
00:08:37.040think about what would have happened in 2018 if Andrew Gillum gay prostitute sleeping with0.99
00:08:45.500drug addicted felon I believe he's a felon if he's not he's been charged with felonies to my0.98
00:08:51.500understanding Andrew Gillum had been elected in 2018 Buck he would have shut down Florida
00:08:57.120just like New York and California and you can say well Georgia and Brian Kemp and maybe Tennessee
00:09:02.380and bill lee and greg abbott in texas maybe they would have stood maybe or maybe without desantis
00:09:08.460taking the slings and arrows of shutting refusing to shut down a big populated state maybe maybe
00:09:16.720fauci would have been even more successful and so ultimately florida reaped the benefits and i
00:09:23.920think desantis's tenure in office will redound throughout the covet era as the way that we
00:09:30.480should have responded to covid and fauci is going to be the great villain so in many ways desantis
00:09:36.960and also on a smaller level people like you and me who found a big audience by just being sane
00:09:43.080in a time when everybody else lost their minds fauci is going to be the great villain of covid
00:09:48.140i think increasingly you can see the ron desantis is of the world uh the brian kemp's the bill lees
00:09:54.100the greg abbott's to a certain extent red state governors who said no they're going to continue
00:09:59.400And I mean populated red state governors, because a lot of red state governors in western states, they don't have the same huge collection of population in terms of everybody being in a dense area like bigger states would.
00:10:13.720I think you can start to see the first draft of history and the impact that all of this is going to have.
00:10:19.460And Fauci is not going to come off well.
00:10:21.560It took a long time, but we did get some Fauci accountability, at least on the public record.
00:10:30.680And I really appreciate that Rand Paul stayed on this as long as he did and refused to let this go because, yeah, we could find the data, we can find all these different things.0.97
00:10:41.600finding out about what a megalomaniac and what a narcissistic fool during a time of extreme0.90
00:10:49.420suffering for the country uh fauci was that that is it's unforgivable and it's also0.98
00:10:57.880not something that can be dismissed they can dismiss all the they can dismiss oh no one knew
00:11:03.080it was hard we tried we tried no no no and i'm not even getting into the fact that he knew that
00:11:07.000it wasn't as deadly and i mean there's a whole bunch of things yeah oh yeah uh that that also
00:11:10.820came out from this so he lied about everything they're not going to accept that he lied about
00:11:15.060everything they're going to say oh it was tough he's making judgment calls the fact that he is
00:11:20.160is gushing about the celebrities who by the way why does he have time to talk to celebrities when
00:11:24.280he's the most important that's one of the things i like to think that this guy is you know in the
00:11:28.020office until two o'clock in the morning calling every every uh you know major hospital system
00:11:32.980and getting the latest data he's doing celebrity zooms and also why is it the celebrities have
00:11:37.880access to the top doctor there's all these things you can talk about this so i thought it was i
00:11:42.060thought it was uh great that this information came out i would just point out we invited dr
00:11:47.060fauci on the program for years he never had time for us but somehow he could always manage to take
00:11:52.880the phone call from bet midler or julia roberts here's something that i would ask star this write
00:11:58.400it down use it if you still are hearing people in your life defend fauci buck here's a to me this
00:12:04.860really kind of sums it up joe biden gave him a 10-year pardon a 10-year pardon from basically
00:12:11.3202014 all the way through what january of 25 right when biden left office 10 plus years
00:12:18.300everything that fauci did is protected even though we know that he committed i think a lot
00:12:23.420of crimes during that time, lied about him, all those things, okay? He had a 10-year pardon,
00:12:29.800and he still needed to invoke the Fifth Amendment 111 times while testifying in front of Congress.
00:12:37.400Just a simple question for everybody out there. Has anyone ever heard of someone who is completely
00:12:43.820innocent of all crimes that needs a 10-year pardon, and then, as if that were not enough,
00:12:50.220also needs to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights 111 times.
00:12:56.680The 10-year pardon by itself was not enough.
00:14:00.140Yes, the Honorable Judge Clay Travis will stand in session and analyze that argument that Rand Paul just made.
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00:20:17.560But beyond that, too, there's a lot in here for the student athletes and a lot has gone into this thing to try to address all the major issues, Clay, that you and I have talked about before.
00:20:26.240You've got this, you know, you've got these eligibility issues, you've got the governance issue, you've got the one-time transfer, all those sorts of things need to get taken care of.
00:20:33.200The ability to pool media rights if they want to, making sure that's purely voluntary and never forced, that was a big part of what these negotiations have been about.
00:20:41.140So I would say today is a very important day because in order for us to do this next week, which a very important week, theoretically, it could be one of the last weeks we're up here.
00:20:51.320I don't know. I mean, we could stay in August. I support that. But next week's a very important week.
00:20:56.440And if that's the case, we got to get it kind of teed up today.
00:21:00.060And so these meetings are really important and why these conversations have been very timely and intense.
00:21:05.300Okay, I'll follow up on that. I don't want to get you into Petiti or Sankey private conversations. But in general, are you optimistic that you're going to be able to get their sign on at this point? I know you still got to wait on the meetings. But how would you assess your optimism level to right now at this exact moment?
00:21:26.540uh this is very much like real time um i've been hopeful all along i i think that this is
00:21:33.200look there are things in this with something that this is this complex and you know literally
00:21:39.240impacts um you know 500 000 student athletes and all these institutions that people love and root
00:21:46.760for and all these kind of issues at play this bill um is an effort to try to reach a compromise of
00:21:54.280all the various and competing positions on it.
00:22:58.900So we know there are a couple of Republican senators, Cornyn and Tom Tillis,
00:23:05.000who are, let's just say, iffy at this stage of the game.
00:23:10.260What do you think is going to happen here, and what are those two guys thinking?
00:23:14.100well they're both on the judiciary committee so am i and um you know they've raised each one of
00:23:21.000them kind of a separate issue i think uh senator tillis wants uh todd blanche to meet with some of
00:23:27.540the victims the obscene victims i think that was his sort of his ask and um i think that's gone
00:23:34.380relatively well um i have not spoken directly with tom about that but i feel like that's moving
00:23:39.880along. Senator Cornyn has an issue with this. Some of the legal matters that that have been
00:23:47.560before the Department of Justice related to President Trump. And so, you know, I'm hopeful
00:23:52.280that they can work that out to the extent that it can be worked out. I think Todd is eminently
00:23:56.840qualified. Todd Blanche is eminently qualified. He's done a very good job, I think, of refocusing
00:24:01.640the department from the Biden years to taking on violent crime. And you look at this anti-fraud
00:24:06.940um effort that they have across the country minneapolis and california those are really
00:24:10.960important things for the department of justice to be focused on and have an attorney general
00:24:14.340who's serious so he's the acting ag i mean no matter what happens he's going to remain the
00:24:19.440attorney general the acting attorney general i just think it it would be an important thing for
00:24:22.960us to do to move them forward and have them confirmed in front of the full senate so i know
00:24:27.480sorry go ahead no i was just going to say building on that question with buck um president trump said
00:24:32.820hey if these guys won't get on board we'll just wait you probably know this i don't know the
00:24:38.300answer off the top of my head let's say that the nomination doesn't get confirmed and we wait for
00:24:45.180the election and then god forbid we end up in a situation where democrats take back control of
00:24:51.960the senate getting anyone confirmed then as you know becomes very very difficult how long could
00:24:58.260todd blanch serve as acting attorney general is there a limit on that how would that play out
00:25:03.680well according to recent precedent i'm gonna freak i'm gonna blank on the cabinet member
00:25:09.200that biden had that served out as acting throughout the term i mean he can basically
00:25:14.060be the acting attorney general okay i think for almost all of the remaining trump term but i think
00:25:18.520you know it's it's always better to have a you know a position like that confirmed by the united
00:25:23.160states senate i think that's an important thing for us to do because we're in that personnel
00:25:26.400business and he's eminently qualified no one no one disputes that uh i think you know a couple
00:25:31.820of these issues that senators are addressing are kind of one-offs from that not related to his
00:25:35.760qualifications and my hope is that they can figure all that out and we can move forward on todd
00:25:39.360blanche next week as i mentioned next week's a very important week um because september guys
00:25:44.760is going to be i think it's going to be very messy the democrats want to shut the government down
00:25:49.460uh that is on september 30th i think they view it as a political uh effort for them to shut it
00:25:56.100down in october is this is this going to be for open border center they're going to want you know
00:26:00.020no more ice no i don't know what it's going to be yet yeah oh i mean i'm guessing it may be the
00:26:04.560whole thing it may be the whole thing it may be all of government it may be tsa again it may you
00:26:09.440know i don't know what it's going to be but i i think it's going to be something i i just that's
00:26:13.600just sort of how i see it some people are more optimistic but i've seen what the democrats the
00:26:17.760game plan is uh they're obstructionists and they want chaos they think chaos helps them and i hope
00:26:23.120the american people uh view it differently but we got to do everything we can to make sure that
00:26:27.380doesn't happen by september 30th i know if you're not from new york city maybe missouri doesn't
00:26:32.720think of itself as like right next door to michigan but i do because i'm from new york
00:26:37.340what do you think about me what do you think about the mission you're a flyover guy come on
00:26:42.820i mean you guys are close enough right you probably have college teams that travel to
00:26:47.740play each other hundreds of miles hundreds of miles away but yes that is a perfect that's a
00:26:52.540perfect lead-in for a new york city guy senator smith hey at least i'm self-aware at least i'm
00:26:57.660self-aware about it so michigan senate race super important main senate race super important can you
00:27:04.320just weigh in on on how you feel about republicans holding the majority and what do you think the key
00:27:09.540issues are going to be in some of those places i see now why you did there's some symmetry they're
00:27:14.540all states that start with m there you go so um i feel pretty good about the senate the map uh
00:27:21.640Susan Collins, I mean, they had the Graham-Plattner experiment that totally, you know, was as disastrous as him in a port-a-potty, I suppose.
00:27:30.500I think she's much better positioned now than where things were a month and a half or so ago.0.97
00:27:35.240I mean, if they elect this, the El Syed guy who's in the lead in Michigan, that is very much in play where a year ago,0.97
00:27:44.580I don't think a lot of people would have thought we were going to have a chance, be competitive, and maybe win Michigan.0.99
00:27:48.460So I do think that is probably, by way of contrast for us, these radical sort of DSA members is good for us electorally.
00:27:57.920I think it's terrible for the country that the Democrats are actually electing these people to be their nominees in a general election, you know, because eventually these people are going to they're going to start winning general elections.
00:28:07.820And it won't be limited to, you know, New York, where you're from, right, where the craziness and the hammer and sickle wave we saw a month ago.
00:28:15.640So I do think it improves our chances if that person's the nominee, but I don't think it's good for the country.
00:28:20.600I think we win Maine. New Hampshire's in play for us, which is good.
00:28:23.980North Carolina is going to be tough and Michigan could be in play as well.
00:28:28.140Ohio, I think we're going to be fine in Ohio.
00:28:30.220Sherrod Brown is kind of a retread career politician and John Husted should be OK there.
00:28:35.880I know that you, as attorney general of Missouri, helped to hold Fauci and the Biden administration more accountable than almost any attorney general did in the country.
00:28:45.580I'm curious what you thought of Fauci taking Fifth Amendment 111 times during that hearing yesterday, how you would assess any legality of pursuing Fauci might look going forward in the wake of that.
00:29:00.820And just as a general context, I know it's been six years.
00:29:05.080Buck and I are still furious. Almost everybody out there listening to us right now is still furious over what left wingers Fauci led did to us during that time.
00:29:16.320How would you assess where we are right now, what your thoughts were on that hearing and where we might go going forward?
00:29:21.780I'm with you guys. I think for me, when I was attorney general that time, it was a it opened up my eyes to what the left was capable of.
00:29:32.200if they had a little bit of power or just an excuse like that.
00:29:35.720Bulldozing sand, you know, into these skate parks, police tape around playgrounds,
00:29:40.880forcing the masking of five-year-olds in school.
00:29:43.180It's why we sued the school districts.
00:29:44.540It's why we sued the Biden administration over the shot and all those sorts of things.
00:29:48.020I think we should never forget what that looked like and what that actually was.
00:29:51.860And Fauci was the crown prince of all, but with his candles and his bobbleheads, right?
00:29:57.020I think it reminded me, I took his deposition in the Missouri versus Biden lawsuit.
00:30:01.780He sat across the table as smug as could be, kind of like he was yesterday.
00:30:05.840He had less to say yesterday because he was taking the Fifth Amendment.
00:30:08.780But I think in our deposition of him, he said, I don't recall, like 170 times as well.
00:30:14.100So this guy who proclaimed to be the science and this all-knowing expert suddenly doesn't have a whole lot to say now
00:30:21.320because I think he knows he's been exposed to some legal jeopardy regardless of the auto-pinned pardon.
00:30:26.360There could be state issues out there.
00:30:55.700Hopefully some other AGs or other people can take up the charge here because it was just insulting to see him sit there yesterday and take the fifth on everything.
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00:32:47.940On the Clay and Buck Podcast Network, Mr. Gerdusky,
00:32:50.760so many things to talk to you about um start with mass let's start with mass immigration have you
00:32:56.760seen this situation in the footage going viral i know we don't talk about spain very much
00:33:03.520but uh is it pronounced say youda i don't know you know how to pronounce it in morocco where you0.98
00:33:11.200have the uh african migrants just completely overwhelming there's this little spanish enclave
00:33:16.980And they're just they're just like running through the fence, basically, to get on to what is technically Spanish territory after the Spanish prime minister, I think, signed an amnesty for a million people that are in the country illegally.0.99
00:33:34.420Yeah, it was as Pedro Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez.
00:33:37.680Originally, he says me for five hundred thousand and then it was a million.
00:33:41.520Now it's estimated to be three million, which Spain is not a large country.
00:33:45.380Three million is about eight percent of the population. So it is a tremendous amnesty.
00:33:50.300And bigger problem is that it's part of Spain is part of the Schengen agreement, which means that if you are a resident of Spain and legally there, you can go to any other country in the EU without a passport.
00:33:59.660So we're talking the possibility of millions of people going not only to Italy, but end up in Germany and Ireland and Sweden, quite like it happened back in 2015.
00:34:08.040So not only is this causing backlash in his own country, but Georgia Maloney and other prime ministers around Europe are pushing back against his amnesty plan.
00:34:17.160Ryan, yeah, that clip is what will happen if Democrats in back up in power again.
00:34:24.280It looks like when Bill Malugin was down at Eagle Pass, Texas, and we saw tens of thousands of people.
00:34:28.940What I would point out, Ryan, I'm sure you saw it, too.
00:34:31.460I think I saw Matt Sorter, among others, posting about this.
00:34:35.040everybody coming in is young and male people like to say oh this is about trying to take care of
00:34:41.920families there's no women there's no children storming across the border there right now it's
00:34:45.900all military age males um and and i do think that's worth reiterating again and again overwhelmingly
00:34:52.960we are not seeing families come we're seeing young men come um when you look ryan let's go
00:34:59.020into the the current political environment tuesday uh i was at a a fundraiser last night for jimmy
00:35:05.080patronus awesome guy represents the florida first district basically right across the street uh he
00:35:10.660was having a fundraiser doing great work one of the guys there is working on the michigan senate
00:35:16.140campaign my wife is from michigan this is one that we've talked a lot about a lot on this program we
00:35:20.380have followed it closely they had their final debate tuesday is the primary we will be talking
00:35:25.220about a great deal. Abdul El-Sayed is pulling away from Haley Stevens and appears to be a
00:35:31.300substantial favorite going into the primary on Tuesday. Do you buy if El-Sayed wins that Mike
00:35:37.720Rogers, who is going to be the Republican nominee, has a very good chance to win? How does that
00:35:43.020change your calculus? We'll dive into some other parts of the Senate maybe a bit later in the
00:35:47.300conversation here, but tell me about Michigan with the primary Tuesday. Yeah, Haley Stevens's1.00
00:35:52.840fake accent with a stick of two of them is not really getting what people thought that would.1.00
00:35:57.460Here's the problem with Haley Stevens. It's not just polling. Early voting data is showing that1.00
00:36:01.280white college educated and Muslim populations in the state are voting at much higher percentages
00:36:06.740than her bases, which is predominantly black areas in the Detroit area. Detroit's black areas1.00
00:36:12.340have had substantially lower turnout. So are the rural areas. And the bigger problem with
00:36:16.680Democrats, period, is that the white working class people who would normally back a Haley
00:36:21.140Stevens are all Republicans now. Mike Rogers is probably polling close to even against Abdul
00:36:28.160Saeed. He's a very extreme candidate. He's campaigning with the podcaster, Hassan Piker,
00:36:33.220who said that Americans deserve 9-11. However, it is a bad year for Republicans. It is a year
00:36:40.140in a state that is 50-50, but a little more for Trump than for Kamala. It is looking like a D plus
00:36:47.140seven d plus eight year the generic ballot is leaving leaving the train and is really sticking
00:36:51.780to democrats so in an environment like that even bad candidates can win even francesca hong who is
00:36:58.140you know nuts beyond belief over in wisconsin she could probably win in an environment like this
00:37:03.680it's just becoming it's looking more and more like a wave for democrat kind of year
00:37:07.660so ryan what are some of the variables between now and election day that you feel like you're
00:37:15.000going to be the primary determinants about whether republicans hold the house and republicans
00:37:19.360hold the senate what are some of the the prime you know the primary levers that depending on
00:37:24.480which way they go we're going to either be celebrating or having a rough one well you know
00:37:31.060we talked several weeks several months ago at this point about the iran war and oil prices and food
00:37:35.760prices and we all said if it goes down by the end of summer by midsummer will be republicans will
00:37:41.640be fine. And when it started dipping during the negotiations, Republican numbers did substantially
00:37:45.980improve. Republicans are doing better than Trump's doing and Trump's in close to George W. Bush
00:37:50.060territory as far as polling goes. However, we're at the end of summer now. Kids are going back to
00:37:55.120school in the South like next week and oil prices are back up and Democrats numbers are starting to
00:38:01.600surge. At the end of the day, it comes down to food prices, oil prices, and if the Iran war is
00:38:06.480wrapped up or not. I mean, it's really just that is the margin in a lot of states where it's going
00:38:10.980to matter a lot of people defy political gravity people like susan collins and others brian
00:38:15.600fitzpatrick a congressman in pennsylvania if you're looking at a d plus seven d plus eight
00:38:19.860year it's going to be almost impossible for any of these people who defy gravity who win in
00:38:24.860democrat states and districts to hold on okay so let's uh pretend that uh that it's going to be
00:38:31.520hard let's just say acknowledge michigan new hampshire georgia which are probably ryan you
00:38:37.380can disagree with me if you if you would point to any other place probably the only three states
00:38:42.260where republicans could say hey we have a chance of taking a democrat seat that's where democrats
00:38:47.260hold it right now um if none of those happen right we hope they do but if none of those were to
00:38:52.140happen then you flip back to okay what about texas what about iowa what about um you know
00:38:59.380you start to run through a bunch of these other alaska battleground states ohio how confident
00:39:05.140are you that republicans can get to at least 50 that would mean lose three uh you can afford to
00:39:12.080lose three and still have the tie break for you lose control of the senate what's going to happen
00:39:16.840there how do you feel about republican held seats well the first you have a collins who is who's
00:39:22.900defied gravity yeah no no it's okay she's she is the one who's in a democrat seat she's very0.99
00:39:29.400endangered but she is extremely popular among independents and some democratic women she's in1.00
00:39:34.640a tough battle this year, though. North Carolina is the other really important one. Former Governor0.98
00:39:39.300Roy Cooper is beating Michael Watley, the Republican back candidate, by nine points in
00:39:44.900the latest Fox News poll. The good thing Republicans after those two states, which is one's a Democrat,
00:39:50.120one's a swing state, you get to states where Trump won all by double digits. So the ability to win
00:39:55.260past those two states becomes harder and harder and harder for Democrats. That's the one key thing.
00:40:00.460When you mention Texas, if you look at where people are reserving cash reserves for ads, almost no, I think 700,000 went for Democrats in Texas and none went for Republicans in Texas.
00:47:13.920there are a lot of games schedule padding on chronic understaffing as a cost cutting measure
00:47:20.560uh you know overselling of seats and all these things these are choices the airlines make
00:47:25.940at the expense of passengers if people say well this is what the market will decide
00:47:29.120taxpayers have bailed out the airlines twice in the last 25 years okay they wouldn't even exist
00:47:34.860without the taxpayer and they're heavily regulated by the federal government as it is so
00:47:38.700i feel like they're not allowed to just punish people they shouldn't be allowed to just punish
00:47:42.260people all the time but that's where i am i don't know i'm trying to get a movement going here ryan
00:47:46.700i'm trying to find somebody who cares who's in charge and as far as the market goes this is not
00:47:51.660opening up a lemonade stand it's not like any person can just open up an airline like oh it's
00:47:55.840so simple no it is an extremely expensive over heavily regulated industry very few very few
00:48:02.040people get to it it's both it's basically six companies that run the entire united states
00:48:05.820airline industry they should make it a someone should make it a little bit easier because it
00:48:09.940is incredibly frustrating shout out to southwest who bailed me out in the baltimore situation but
00:48:15.380it was a nightmare of i fly southwest fly southwest everywhere buck here's and and ryan
00:48:21.800something that i think factors in here you know why there isn't a lot of pressure because the
00:48:27.400wealthier you are the less likely you fly commercial airlines so oftentimes it's wealthy people with
00:48:34.540major connections who get major connections to the political universe they get so frustrated
00:48:39.380over something that they hold political pressure if you're super wealthy you don't fly commercial
00:48:43.860you're hopping on the your your private peasants the peasants like us are just allowed to suffer
00:48:49.040out there ryan but congress does fly commercial that's the crazy thing congressmen almost always
00:48:54.280fly commercial and oftentimes fly economy which is why i don't understand they don't do anything
00:48:59.340about this well they do sometimes there's also a lot of private jet travel uh for politicians as
00:49:05.960well that sometimes gets expensed through campaigns that i mean remember bernie on his uh oligarch
00:49:12.040tour he flew private jet of course as all anti-oligarchs do all right ryan we're having
00:49:17.060too much fun with you we're about to run into this commercial break so we have to bounce
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