Verdict with Ted Cruz - Huge Victory-Trump Designates Muslim Brotherhood as a Terrorist Organization, plus NYT says Illegal Aliens Stealing Identities of U.S. Citizens are the Real Victims

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00:00:05.240 Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz,

00:00:07.560 Ben Ferguson with you,

00:00:08.560 and I hope your Thanksgiving week

00:00:10.060 has been incredible with your family.

00:00:11.540 Safe travels out there.

00:00:13.560 Senator, we've got actually a lot to talk about.

00:00:16.100 Usually it's a slow week during the holidays,

00:00:18.220 not so much this week at all.

00:00:20.600 Well, there's a lot going on,

00:00:21.680 but I want to start by just saying

00:00:23.100 this week at Thanksgiving,

00:00:24.680 I hope you took a minute to just hug your family.

00:00:28.000 Hug your wife,

00:00:29.440 hug your husband,

00:00:30.740 hug your kids.

00:00:32.060 Let your kids know why you love them,

00:00:34.580 what they mean to you.

00:00:35.680 If your mom and dad are still with you,

00:00:37.500 tell them,

00:00:38.180 my parents, you know,

00:00:39.140 my mom is turning,

00:00:40.860 just turned 91,

00:00:42.120 my dad is 86.

00:00:43.880 Like the moments with family,

00:00:46.220 these holidays are so important.

00:00:48.700 Love them and give thanks.

00:00:51.000 Like we have so much to give thanks for.

00:00:54.080 We have so much to give thanks for being Americans,

00:00:56.880 for those of us who are blessed to be Texans,

00:00:59.440 we have even more to give thanks for.

00:01:01.360 We have thanks for our liberty.

00:01:03.600 We have thanks for American Free Enterprise.

00:01:05.780 We have thanks for the Declaration of Independence

00:01:07.640 and the Constitution,

00:01:09.140 our fundamental liberties.

00:01:10.340 And so I hope in this time,

00:01:12.580 look,

00:01:12.820 it's so easy.

00:01:13.700 Life goes so fast.

00:01:14.860 It goes so crazy.

00:01:15.780 You're going a million miles an hour.

00:01:17.640 Everything distracts you.

00:01:18.960 I hope during this week,

00:01:21.380 you take a minute to sit down

00:01:22.700 and play a game with your kids.

00:01:24.160 You take a minute.

00:01:25.880 You know,

00:01:26.200 my daughters have started liking to play poker.

00:01:29.400 I love to play poker.

00:01:31.400 And just sitting down,

00:01:32.800 like playing poker,

00:01:33.860 playing Monopoly,

00:01:34.680 playing backgammon,

00:01:35.560 playing chess,

00:01:36.880 playing Uno,

00:01:38.340 playing charades,

00:01:39.700 like those moments

00:01:41.460 are priceless.

00:01:43.180 And so,

00:01:44.300 yes,

00:01:44.520 there's a lot going on

00:01:45.360 and we're going to talk about all of that.

00:01:47.320 But I really do,

00:01:49.560 God has blessed this nation incredibly.

00:01:53.760 And if you are fortunate enough to be healthy,

00:01:57.160 if you are fortunate enough to,

00:01:59.420 like you and I are,

00:02:00.520 Ben,

00:02:00.880 to be dads,

00:02:02.180 like being a dad,

00:02:03.580 what an incredible privilege.

00:02:05.220 What an incredible,

00:02:06.060 like watching your kids grow up,

00:02:07.880 watching your kids express strong,

00:02:10.820 passionate views.

00:02:11.640 Just take this week.

00:02:14.380 This week and Christmas week

00:02:15.980 are I think the two most important weeks

00:02:18.060 to just love on your kids.

00:02:19.880 And so that's something

00:02:20.760 I just want to encourage you.

00:02:22.400 You're listening to a podcast.

00:02:23.700 That's great.

00:02:24.620 That's be engaged.

00:02:25.980 But don't take the time away

00:02:27.960 from your family and your kids,

00:02:29.720 especially this week.

00:02:31.260 Amen to that.

00:02:32.340 Couldn't agree with you more.

00:02:34.180 As we,

00:02:34.680 and by the way,

00:02:35.180 with poker,

00:02:35.900 who's better?

00:02:36.440 I got to ask.

00:02:37.080 Is it you?

00:02:37.760 Or are they taking your money yet?

00:02:39.020 I just,

00:02:39.480 I got to know that.

00:02:40.260 So I got to say,

00:02:41.860 Caroline,

00:02:42.340 my oldest daughter,

00:02:43.080 has become a pretty good

00:02:44.220 little poker player.

00:02:45.200 And she's got her boyfriend,

00:02:47.040 Bruce.

00:02:48.120 They like playing poker with me.

00:02:49.940 We were,

00:02:50.280 this summer,

00:02:50.740 we went to Lake Powell

00:02:51.740 in Nevada and Utah.

00:02:55.260 And Lake Powell is gorgeous.

00:02:56.880 It's basically,

00:02:58.080 it's basically the Grand Canyon

00:03:00.640 filled up halfway with water.

00:03:02.180 And my father-in-law

00:03:03.220 has a houseboat.

00:03:04.820 He's had a houseboat for 30 years.

00:03:06.220 And you get out on the houseboat

00:03:07.420 and you tow a water ski boat,

00:03:10.680 you tow a jet ski,

00:03:12.240 and you just get out there

00:03:13.280 and spend a week.

00:03:14.080 And there's no phone,

00:03:15.180 there's no internet,

00:03:16.060 it's disconnected from the world.

00:03:18.280 And,

00:03:18.760 you know,

00:03:19.080 you get out there,

00:03:19.880 you water ski,

00:03:20.680 you jet ski,

00:03:21.380 you swim,

00:03:22.620 you jump off the top

00:03:23.880 of the houseboat.

00:03:24.380 By the way,

00:03:24.760 my brother-in-law,

00:03:25.820 you want to talk about

00:03:26.400 a badass trick?

00:03:27.840 My brother-in-law

00:03:29.040 has a trick

00:03:29.660 where he stands

00:03:30.340 on the top of the houseboat,

00:03:31.760 he holds the rope

00:03:33.240 from the water ski

00:03:34.520 and his wife gets

00:03:36.140 in the water ski boat

00:03:36.940 and she punches it. 0.96

00:03:38.380 He jumps off

00:03:39.680 the second story

00:03:40.460 of the houseboat,

00:03:41.200 he lands on his rear end,

00:03:43.580 he goes underwater,

00:03:44.660 goes about six,

00:03:45.380 eight feet underwater,

00:03:46.400 and he pops up

00:03:47.280 in barefoots. 0.67

00:03:48.680 It is a crazy-ass trick.

00:03:51.200 That's so cool.

00:03:51.840 And I got to say,

00:03:53.360 like we did that this summer,

00:03:54.880 spent a week,

00:03:56.480 and that's where

00:03:58.180 Caroline and Bruce said,

00:03:59.880 hey dad,

00:04:01.080 you really like

00:04:01.820 to play poker,

00:04:02.400 can you teach us to play?

00:04:03.440 And so we sat there,

00:04:04.300 we had a bunch of

00:04:04.820 like bottle caps

00:04:05.600 and used bottle caps

00:04:06.860 as chips.

00:04:08.200 We didn't play for money,

00:04:09.360 but we played every night

00:04:10.300 and it was every night

00:04:11.880 from like 10 p.m.

00:04:12.940 to 1 in the morning

00:04:13.700 we played poker

00:04:14.380 and that was,

00:04:16.440 you know,

00:04:17.000 when I was a kid,

00:04:18.480 when I was a little kid,

00:04:19.280 my grandmother,

00:04:20.080 when I was six,

00:04:20.840 seven,

00:04:21.040 eight years old,

00:04:22.180 she taught me

00:04:22.740 to play poker

00:04:23.280 and she was an

00:04:25.380 incredible card player.

00:04:26.340 She played bridge

00:04:27.200 every week for,

00:04:28.320 she lived into her 80s,

00:04:30.460 she probably played 0.79

00:04:31.020 70 years worth of bridge.

00:04:32.980 But she taught me

00:04:33.620 to play poker,

00:04:34.300 she had a tin

00:04:35.820 of buttons

00:04:37.960 and we would use

00:04:38.940 the buttons as chips.

00:04:40.820 And, you know,

00:04:41.820 she had some like

00:04:42.700 costume jewelry

00:04:43.500 that were like

00:04:44.120 fake diamonds,

00:04:45.460 so I would,

00:04:46.200 you know,

00:04:46.500 eight years old,

00:04:47.280 I'd say one million dollars

00:04:48.860 and I'd throw out

00:04:49.460 like a diamond chip.

00:04:51.520 And for like two years,

00:04:54.100 I won every time.

00:04:55.420 She'd babysit me

00:04:56.180 when my parents went out

00:04:57.060 and like if they wanted

00:04:57.900 to have a date night

00:04:58.460 or something,

00:04:58.900 they'd drop me off

00:04:59.520 at Granny's house 0.96

00:05:00.660 and we'd sit there

00:05:02.260 and play poker.

00:05:04.080 And after a couple

00:05:05.680 of years of doing it

00:05:06.460 and I'd won over

00:05:07.220 and over again,

00:05:08.560 I came to her,

00:05:09.260 I said,

00:05:09.480 Granny, 0.98

00:05:09.840 let's play for real money.

00:05:11.640 And I had five dollars.

00:05:14.060 And Ben,

00:05:14.560 at the time,

00:05:15.140 my allowance

00:05:15.620 was 50 cents a week,

00:05:16.660 so five dollars

00:05:17.380 was 10 weeks allowance.

00:05:19.460 It was a ton of money.

00:05:21.600 And she said,

00:05:22.400 sure,

00:05:22.840 absolutely happy to.

00:05:24.900 So we sat down,

00:05:25.880 played poker.

00:05:27.220 She cleaned me out.

00:05:29.340 Took every penny.

00:05:30.500 That's an important lesson

00:05:31.400 in life

00:05:31.760 is not winning money

00:05:32.620 but losing money

00:05:33.600 because it keeps you

00:05:34.420 in check,

00:05:34.920 I think,

00:05:35.220 forever.

00:05:36.400 Oh,

00:05:36.940 when my parents

00:05:37.760 picked me up,

00:05:38.940 I was there crying

00:05:40.460 and my Irish grandmother

00:05:43.280 was laughing

00:05:44.320 as she like sent me home

00:05:46.240 and said,

00:05:46.660 well,

00:05:46.840 Sonny,

00:05:47.120 you want to play for money?

00:05:47.960 Let me know next time

00:05:48.600 you want to do it.

00:05:49.620 And she didn't give it back,

00:05:51.540 which is like the reason

00:05:52.380 why you learned your lesson.

00:05:53.080 Oh, no.

00:05:53.940 No, no.

00:05:54.420 I never got that five bucks back.

00:05:56.100 That's so good.

00:05:57.000 I love it.

00:05:57.560 So, you know,

00:05:58.360 for my,

00:05:59.300 I got twin boys.

00:06:00.580 Georgie is my game player.

00:06:02.080 He's obsessed.

00:06:03.240 All Thanksgiving break,

00:06:04.560 we've been playing poker.

00:06:06.020 He loves it.

00:06:07.180 And he grins

00:06:07.840 because we have poker chips.

00:06:08.740 We don't play for money.

00:06:09.540 Hold them or what are you playing?

00:06:11.000 What plan takes to hold them?

00:06:12.020 Yeah.

00:06:12.180 And he loves it.

00:06:12.960 He's six years old

00:06:13.680 but he's really good with numbers.

00:06:15.580 He loves playing blackjack.

00:06:16.860 Same thing.

00:06:17.400 We'll use chips

00:06:18.000 and, you know,

00:06:18.460 whoever wins

00:06:18.960 just has the bragging rights

00:06:20.700 at the table.

00:06:21.080 We all start with the same amount.

00:06:22.500 But at six years old,

00:06:23.420 he started whooping my dad

00:06:25.000 and my sister's boyfriend

00:06:27.060 lost to him this morning

00:06:28.460 which really made me laugh

00:06:30.280 because he's so proud of himself

00:06:31.580 at six.

00:06:32.020 Like, I get this game.

00:06:33.060 Like, this is so fun.

00:06:33.980 Like you said,

00:06:34.660 spending time with the fam

00:06:35.540 over the holidays,

00:06:36.780 playing card games,

00:06:37.860 Uno,

00:06:38.260 whatever it is,

00:06:39.100 do it with your kids

00:06:39.920 because those are the memories

00:06:41.540 you remember

00:06:41.940 for the rest of your life.

00:06:43.260 And by the way,

00:06:44.020 I got to say,

00:06:44.520 Cubans,

00:06:44.940 what we do on holidays

00:06:45.940 is we play dominoes.

00:06:47.740 And Cubans playing dominoes, 0.99

00:06:49.300 number one,

00:06:49.780 so we don't play

00:06:50.780 double six dominoes.

00:06:51.840 Double six dominoes

00:06:52.820 are common in Mexico,

00:06:54.820 much of the Caribbean.

00:06:56.020 But Cubans play 1.00

00:06:56.820 double nine dominoes.

00:06:57.880 And double nine dominoes

00:06:58.720 is a lot more complicated

00:06:59.480 because you've got

00:06:59.860 a lot more numbers

00:07:00.600 to think through.

00:07:02.260 And my grandfather,

00:07:04.120 oh, my abuelo,

00:07:05.660 he could play dominoes.

00:07:07.340 In fact,

00:07:07.640 we still have these, like,

00:07:08.840 wooden domino trays

00:07:09.800 that he made

00:07:10.400 in this wood shop

00:07:11.280 that we play with

00:07:12.820 to this day.

00:07:13.480 And he was such a good

00:07:15.740 domino player

00:07:16.480 that after, like,

00:07:17.980 four rounds,

00:07:20.020 he could tell you

00:07:21.020 what dominoes

00:07:21.720 every person around

00:07:22.400 the table had.

00:07:23.220 Like, it was freakish.

00:07:24.280 See, I don't have that.

00:07:25.380 Do you have that

00:07:26.060 type of memory?

00:07:26.700 I just don't.

00:07:28.780 I have some of it,

00:07:30.440 but not at the...

00:07:32.200 So when it comes to poker,

00:07:33.400 one of my best friends

00:07:34.560 in the world

00:07:35.060 is actually

00:07:35.940 an amateur

00:07:37.620 professional poker player.

00:07:39.960 So he has played

00:07:41.160 in multiple world series

00:07:42.200 of poker.

00:07:42.660 And I've played

00:07:43.920 with him a ton.

00:07:44.580 And it's interesting,

00:07:45.440 when he and I play,

00:07:47.180 he gets pissed

00:07:47.940 because he's very,

00:07:49.520 very good at the math.

00:07:50.360 He knows the math

00:07:51.080 of every hand.

00:07:51.880 Here are the outs.

00:07:52.560 Here's the percentages.

00:07:53.860 I'm okay at the math.

00:07:55.140 I'm...

00:07:56.300 I don't have

00:07:57.160 the percentages down

00:07:58.500 like it's 37%,

00:07:59.820 but I have the percentages

00:08:01.360 notionally right.

00:08:02.580 I have a general...

00:08:03.640 I have a pretty good

00:08:04.240 sense of the math,

00:08:04.980 but it's not exact.

00:08:06.780 What I play

00:08:07.860 is I read

00:08:09.040 the other players.

00:08:10.000 So this buddy of mine

00:08:11.020 who was a groomsman

00:08:12.620 at my wedding,

00:08:13.040 one of my closest friends,

00:08:14.460 will play,

00:08:15.080 and we probably played

00:08:15.800 100 poker games together.

00:08:17.060 And my guess is

00:08:17.660 I've won about half

00:08:18.500 and he's won about half.

00:08:20.180 And it drives him crazy

00:08:21.380 because I'll make plays

00:08:22.380 and he's like,

00:08:22.760 what the hell are you doing?

00:08:23.820 You can't do that.

00:08:25.580 The math didn't make sense.

00:08:27.340 And I'll look at him

00:08:27.920 and say,

00:08:28.200 Adam,

00:08:28.580 I did it

00:08:30.080 because you didn't want me to.

00:08:31.360 Because when I'm playing poker,

00:08:32.700 the biggest thing I'm doing

00:08:33.720 is I'm looking in the eyes

00:08:35.400 of the other people.

00:08:36.140 I'm trying to figure out

00:08:36.820 what do you want

00:08:37.580 and I'm going to do

00:08:38.160 the opposite

00:08:38.680 of what you want.

00:08:39.380 And so it's a look,

00:08:41.120 what's fun about poker

00:08:42.100 is you have the math

00:08:43.800 and skill of it,

00:08:44.980 but you also have

00:08:46.380 the people reading

00:08:47.340 and that's a blast.

00:08:49.360 And I got to say,

00:08:50.120 I'm really proud

00:08:51.620 because my daughter,

00:08:52.300 Caroline,

00:08:53.180 she's good at both of that. 0.90

00:08:54.800 I mean,

00:08:55.020 she's still a new poker player, 0.98

00:08:57.520 but she's good

00:08:59.080 at reading people.

00:08:59.800 That's awesome.

00:09:01.120 Donald Trump

00:09:01.840 has begun the process,

00:09:03.420 Senator,

00:09:04.080 of designating

00:09:05.040 the Muslim Brotherhood 0.76

00:09:06.060 as a terrorist organization. 0.52

00:09:07.520 This is something

00:09:08.160 that you've been advocating

00:09:09.420 for,

00:09:09.900 talking about.

00:09:10.880 We've talked about

00:09:11.620 on the show

00:09:11.980 for quite some time.

00:09:13.780 They've also been

00:09:14.580 doing this in Texas

00:09:16.120 and now we're seeing

00:09:17.200 it become part two

00:09:18.260 nationwide.

00:09:19.060 Your reaction?

00:09:20.560 So look,

00:09:20.980 this is massively important.

00:09:22.520 President Trump

00:09:23.100 announced this week

00:09:24.080 that he's going to

00:09:25.220 designate the Muslim Brotherhood 0.68

00:09:26.560 as a terrorist organization. 0.84

00:09:28.400 I have literally

00:09:29.620 been fighting

00:09:30.360 for this to happen

00:09:31.180 for 10 years.

00:09:32.620 It has been

00:09:33.140 five different Congresses

00:09:34.960 that I've introduced

00:09:36.440 legislation directing

00:09:38.620 the federal government

00:09:39.400 to designate

00:09:40.060 the Muslim Brotherhood 0.80

00:09:40.820 as a terrorist organization. 0.79

00:09:42.420 We came really,

00:09:43.860 really close

00:09:44.320 in the first Trump administration.

00:09:45.500 I was pushing this.

00:09:46.680 I had legislation.

00:09:47.480 I was fighting for it.

00:09:49.060 And the reason

00:09:49.660 we fell just short

00:09:51.220 is the deep state

00:09:55.240 and the State Department,

00:09:56.280 they did not want

00:09:57.340 to designate

00:09:57.960 the Muslim Brotherhood 0.80

00:09:58.800 as a terrorist organization.

00:10:00.980 And the old version

00:10:02.560 of the legislation

00:10:03.340 I filed was a top-down.

00:10:06.140 So what it did

00:10:06.900 is it directed

00:10:07.760 the State Department

00:10:09.040 and the administration

00:10:09.880 to designate

00:10:11.440 the Global Muslim Brotherhood,

00:10:13.020 the umbrella organization,

00:10:15.180 as a terrorist organization.

00:10:16.880 And what happened

00:10:17.560 was the deep state bureaucrats,

00:10:19.620 they argued,

00:10:20.460 well,

00:10:21.460 it is not definitively proven

00:10:23.480 that every single

00:10:25.240 Muslim Brotherhood affiliate

00:10:26.440 across the globe 1.00

00:10:27.320 is a terrorist organization.

00:10:29.180 Some of them clearly are,

00:10:30.760 but it's not proven

00:10:31.620 that all of them are.

00:10:32.620 And that argument

00:10:33.700 at the end of the day

00:10:34.580 stopped Trump 1

00:10:35.980 from doing this.

00:10:38.260 So,

00:10:39.040 Trump 2 starts.

00:10:40.320 And I leaned in again

00:10:41.400 and I said,

00:10:41.960 all right,

00:10:42.160 we're going to get this done.

00:10:44.120 And I redrafted

00:10:45.580 the legislation

00:10:46.240 to pick a totally

00:10:47.300 different approach.

00:10:48.060 Instead of being top-down,

00:10:50.140 I went bottom-up.

00:10:51.820 And I said,

00:10:52.600 look,

00:10:53.320 the State Department

00:10:54.300 is directed

00:10:54.960 to designate

00:10:56.120 the individual

00:10:57.180 Muslim Brotherhood affiliates 0.75

00:10:59.060 that are terrorist organizations, 0.88

00:11:00.900 designate them as such.

00:11:02.980 So,

00:11:03.180 for example,

00:11:03.780 Hamas 0.96

00:11:04.240 is the Muslim Brotherhood

00:11:06.340 in Palestine.

00:11:06.940 There is zero dispute

00:11:08.660 that Hamas 0.99

00:11:09.400 is a terrorist organization.

00:11:11.820 And so,

00:11:12.400 my legislation said,

00:11:14.240 designate the individual affiliates,

00:11:15.980 whichever ones,

00:11:16.820 that there's clear

00:11:17.820 and definitive proof

00:11:18.680 they're terrorist organizations.

00:11:19.760 and then

00:11:21.480 designate

00:11:22.980 the Global Muslim Brotherhood

00:11:24.600 for material support

00:11:27.100 for those terrorist organizations

00:11:28.820 because the global organization

00:11:30.340 funds every one

00:11:31.780 of their affiliates.

00:11:32.480 And so,

00:11:32.740 it was a fundamental shift.

00:11:34.800 And at the end of the day,

00:11:36.920 I think it's unlikely

00:11:38.000 Congress will pass

00:11:39.100 my legislation

00:11:39.900 because

00:11:40.500 to pass it,

00:11:42.600 I need 60 Democrats

00:11:43.840 and I need 60 senators. 0.99

00:11:46.240 I need at least

00:11:47.220 seven Democrats.

00:11:48.140 and I think it's unlikely

00:11:50.260 we'll get seven Democrats.

00:11:51.420 I've got one.

00:11:52.220 So,

00:11:52.400 the legislation in the Senate

00:11:53.500 is Cruz Fetterman.

00:11:54.620 So,

00:11:54.820 John Fetterman has joined me.

00:11:56.480 But to get to seven

00:11:57.520 is not easy.

00:11:58.600 But I've been fighting this fight

00:12:00.160 because I want to build

00:12:01.260 the momentum

00:12:01.820 for the president

00:12:02.880 to do what he did this week.

00:12:04.240 And what he did this week

00:12:05.260 is exactly

00:12:06.600 what my legislation says,

00:12:08.260 which is

00:12:08.940 he directed

00:12:09.620 the State Department

00:12:10.420 to designate

00:12:11.200 the individual affiliates,

00:12:13.800 the lower organizations

00:12:15.220 that are clearly

00:12:16.480 terrorist organizations.

00:12:17.620 And I'll tell you,

00:12:19.360 Seb Gorka

00:12:19.980 is the head

00:12:20.880 of counterterrorism,

00:12:21.860 the National Security Council.

00:12:22.940 Seb is an old friend.

00:12:24.360 I have met with Seb

00:12:25.420 and talked at length

00:12:26.340 about making this happen.

00:12:28.060 And then,

00:12:28.580 just three weeks ago,

00:12:29.780 I was at the White House.

00:12:30.660 I was with President Trump.

00:12:32.520 It was right after

00:12:33.800 he had designated Nigeria

00:12:36.160 as a country

00:12:36.800 of particular concern

00:12:37.900 because Boko Haram

00:12:39.340 and radical Islamic terrorists 0.99

00:12:40.720 were murdering Christians. 0.99

00:12:42.860 More than 50,000 Christians 0.72

00:12:44.440 have been murdered in Nigeria.

00:12:45.500 And I've been fighting

00:12:47.200 to designate Nigeria

00:12:48.260 for a long time.

00:12:49.100 And so I told the president

00:12:50.080 right after he did that,

00:12:51.020 I said,

00:12:51.820 I said,

00:12:52.260 thank you.

00:12:53.140 Thank you.

00:12:53.820 Thank you.

00:12:54.320 Thank you for designating Nigeria.

00:12:55.960 Really big deal.

00:12:57.040 Enormously important.

00:12:58.340 And he responded to me.

00:12:59.560 He said,

00:12:59.820 great,

00:13:00.200 Ted,

00:13:00.400 happy to do it.

00:13:01.000 He said,

00:13:01.220 is there anyone else

00:13:01.840 we should designate?

00:13:02.480 What else should we do?

00:13:03.640 And I said,

00:13:04.120 the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:13:05.460 We should designate

00:13:06.780 the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:13:07.540 And he said to me

00:13:08.120 three weeks ago,

00:13:08.880 I'm happy to do it.

00:13:10.200 We'll get it done.

00:13:11.860 This week,

00:13:12.580 he got it done.

00:13:13.500 It is a big,

00:13:14.800 big,

00:13:15.480 big deal.

00:13:16.120 This is literally

00:13:16.860 10 years of hard work

00:13:18.600 and it will make America safer

00:13:20.860 because the Muslim Brotherhood 0.98

00:13:22.120 is funding terrorists 1.00

00:13:23.920 that want to murder you 1.00

00:13:24.940 and want to murder me. 1.00

00:13:26.280 Yeah, 0.97

00:13:26.480 it is.

00:13:27.040 It is not just,

00:13:28.340 as you mentioned,

00:13:28.940 a big deal.

00:13:29.540 It's a national security issue.

00:13:31.460 And there's also been

00:13:32.740 a very weird quietness

00:13:34.240 online on this.

00:13:35.080 There are some

00:13:36.280 members of the Democratic Party

00:13:39.520 that are acting

00:13:40.660 as if the Muslim Brotherhood

00:13:41.680 really shouldn't be designated

00:13:42.800 as a terrorist organization.

00:13:44.160 It might be one of the weirdest things

00:13:45.680 I've ever seen

00:13:46.300 on social media happen.

00:13:47.980 And yet here we are

00:13:48.680 witnessing it in real time

00:13:49.760 as they're like,

00:13:50.200 well,

00:13:50.320 hold on a second.

00:13:50.940 Why would we really need to do this?

00:13:52.180 I'm like,

00:13:52.420 what world are you living in?

00:13:53.520 Are you kidding me?

00:13:55.040 Well,

00:13:55.340 and many of our allies

00:13:56.960 in the Middle East

00:13:57.640 already understand the threat.

00:13:59.100 So,

00:13:59.360 for example,

00:14:00.540 the Global Muslim Brotherhood

00:14:02.140 is outlawed

00:14:03.460 as a terrorist group

00:14:04.420 by Bahrain,

00:14:06.340 by Egypt,

00:14:07.460 by Jordan,

00:14:08.860 by Saudi Arabia,

00:14:10.200 and by the UAE.

00:14:11.180 I've spoke with the governments

00:14:12.520 of those countries.

00:14:14.340 They really want

00:14:15.440 the United States

00:14:16.340 to do what President Trump

00:14:17.680 did this week,

00:14:18.300 which is designate

00:14:19.240 the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:14:21.540 Austria has also

00:14:23.060 banned the group.

00:14:24.280 Germany is considering

00:14:25.380 legislation to do the same.

00:14:27.460 French intelligence

00:14:28.280 has described

00:14:29.340 the Muslim Brotherhood

00:14:30.260 as, quote, 0.89

00:14:30.860 a threat

00:14:31.500 to national cohesion,

00:14:33.580 and the British officials

00:14:34.540 say the Muslim Brotherhood

00:14:36.160 is subject to surveillance

00:14:37.400 under Britain's

00:14:38.760 anti-extremism laws.

00:14:40.060 So there is

00:14:41.360 a growing movement

00:14:42.360 to recognize

00:14:43.340 that the Muslim Brotherhood

00:14:45.500 is funding, 0.96

00:14:47.000 is promoting terrorism, 0.86

00:14:48.840 terrorism that is trying 0.92

00:14:50.400 to kill Americans, 0.90

00:14:51.500 terrorism that is trying 1.00

00:14:52.220 to kill Europeans, 0.98

00:14:53.260 terrorism that is trying 1.00

00:14:54.040 to kill Israelis. 0.98

00:14:55.900 And designating 1.00

00:14:57.400 a group

00:14:57.840 as a terrorist organization

00:14:59.700 unleashes a host

00:15:01.840 of tools,

00:15:02.540 including sanctions

00:15:03.520 and direct military action

00:15:05.540 that we can take

00:15:06.220 against them.

00:15:06.780 And this is,

00:15:08.160 as I said,

00:15:09.380 it has been 10 years

00:15:10.960 I've been fighting

00:15:11.560 for this to happen.

00:15:13.140 I want to credit

00:15:14.320 President Trump.

00:15:15.120 Here's what the

00:15:15.720 Wall Street Journal

00:15:16.280 editorial board

00:15:17.000 wrote about it.

00:15:18.160 Wall Street Journal

00:15:18.780 editorial board

00:15:19.420 said, quote,

00:15:20.580 nearly a quarter century

00:15:21.620 after 9-11,

00:15:22.820 the U.S. has taken aim

00:15:23.860 at a leading incubator

00:15:24.960 of Islamic terrorism, 0.98

00:15:26.140 the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:15:27.700 Previous attempts

00:15:28.400 to prescribe the group,

00:15:29.600 including by the first

00:15:30.520 Trump administration,

00:15:32.100 were stymied

00:15:32.880 by the Brotherhood's

00:15:33.740 loose structure.

00:15:34.700 On Monday,

00:15:36.300 President Trump

00:15:36.900 signed an executive

00:15:37.720 order to begin

00:15:38.380 the process

00:15:38.880 of designating

00:15:39.580 the Brotherhood branches

00:15:40.540 as terrorist organizations.

00:15:43.320 Branches in Egypt,

00:15:44.400 Jordan, and Lebanon

00:15:45.140 are singled out

00:15:45.840 for a 30-day review,

00:15:47.420 though the order

00:15:48.060 isn't limited to them.

00:15:50.320 This is a big deal.

00:15:51.940 America is safer.

00:15:53.480 Thank you,

00:15:53.960 President Trump.

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00:15:56.500 are looking for more.

00:15:57.840 More out of themselves,

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00:16:24.940 All right,

00:16:27.400 so there's another

00:16:28.100 thing this week,

00:16:29.420 Senator,

00:16:29.700 and it really,

00:16:30.460 rarely do headlines

00:16:31.460 like actually,

00:16:32.740 genuinely tick me off.

00:16:34.960 I'm a cynical guy,

00:16:36.200 but there was one this week

00:16:37.900 with the New York Times

00:16:39.180 and it infuriated me.

00:16:40.320 Ben,

00:16:40.740 I'm going to call BS

00:16:41.620 on that.

00:16:42.620 I'm going to call BS

00:16:43.480 on that.

00:16:43.800 You think the New York Times

00:16:44.680 didn't irritate me this week?

00:16:46.820 Yeah,

00:16:47.120 I know you too well.

00:16:48.380 Has there been a day

00:16:51.320 in the past year

00:16:52.360 when there was not

00:16:53.600 a headline

00:16:54.120 that pissed you off?

00:16:55.280 Yes,

00:16:55.960 Easter,

00:16:56.740 Christmas,

00:16:57.440 Thanksgiving,

00:16:58.180 probably because

00:16:58.740 I'm not reading

00:16:59.260 the news then.

00:17:01.160 So the days

00:17:02.180 you don't read

00:17:02.640 the headlines,

00:17:03.120 I'm just saying,

00:17:04.000 they piss you off

00:17:04.660 every day,

00:17:05.060 but I will admit

00:17:05.660 this was particularly

00:17:07.320 infuriating.

00:17:08.420 Okay,

00:17:08.780 good.

00:17:09.100 So you're back

00:17:09.700 on my team

00:17:10.300 on this one.

00:17:10.840 I like this.

00:17:12.460 I'm always on team,

00:17:13.620 Ben.

00:17:14.120 You're always on my team.

00:17:15.460 You're a constructive

00:17:16.760 criticism teammate.

00:17:17.920 That's how I would

00:17:18.680 describe you.

00:17:19.620 So the New York Times

00:17:20.780 comes out with this

00:17:21.740 headline,

00:17:22.240 this story that's

00:17:23.160 actually supposed

00:17:23.980 to make you

00:17:24.920 as an American citizen

00:17:26.000 feel sorry

00:17:27.740 for an undocumented

00:17:29.720 worker,

00:17:30.320 they call it that,

00:17:31.020 I call it an illegal

00:17:31.980 immigrant,

00:17:32.640 that stole an

00:17:33.720 American's identity

00:17:34.980 and they say,

00:17:36.680 well,

00:17:37.040 there's two men

00:17:37.860 that paid a price

00:17:38.880 and they also refer

00:17:40.360 to the identity

00:17:41.040 as an individual,

00:17:42.760 like one,

00:17:43.360 like two become one,

00:17:44.560 like they're married.

00:17:45.720 It is the most

00:17:46.500 insane propaganda

00:17:47.520 even from the

00:17:48.460 New York Times

00:17:48.940 standard.

00:17:50.300 Well,

00:17:50.380 all across the country

00:17:51.380 there are thousands

00:17:52.300 of people who've had

00:17:53.200 their identity stolen

00:17:54.160 by illegal immigrants

00:17:55.220 and it is causing

00:17:56.720 real pain,

00:17:57.540 it's causing real chaos.

00:17:58.820 Ironically,

00:17:59.940 the New York Times

00:18:00.760 in the midst

00:18:01.240 of their propaganda

00:18:01.880 piece accidentally

00:18:03.100 reported the news

00:18:04.160 and talked about

00:18:05.620 the devastating

00:18:06.200 consequences.

00:18:07.020 Now,

00:18:07.180 of course,

00:18:07.980 what they said

00:18:08.920 is if an illegal

00:18:10.060 immigrant steals 1.00

00:18:10.940 your identity, 0.99

00:18:12.840 the illegal alien 0.93

00:18:13.640 is the victim

00:18:14.560 and not just you.

00:18:16.400 So let's just read

00:18:17.600 the beginning

00:18:17.960 of this article

00:18:18.520 because it's one

00:18:19.460 that will make

00:18:19.980 your head explode.

00:18:21.540 The title,

00:18:22.940 Two Men,

00:18:23.940 One Identity.

00:18:25.660 They both paid

00:18:26.680 the price.

00:18:28.500 Thousands of

00:18:29.100 undocumented workers

00:18:30.080 rely on fraudulent

00:18:31.100 social security numbers.

00:18:32.780 One of them

00:18:33.700 belonged to

00:18:35.260 Dan Kluver.

00:18:36.760 Dan Kluver

00:18:37.600 saw the police lights

00:18:38.580 flashing in his

00:18:39.240 rearview mirror

00:18:39.880 late last year

00:18:40.680 and eased his car

00:18:42.120 onto the shoulder

00:18:42.760 thinking there had

00:18:43.920 been some kind

00:18:44.500 of mistake.

00:18:45.560 He had spent

00:18:46.340 four decades

00:18:47.100 in rural Minnesota

00:18:48.060 without ever

00:18:48.980 getting into trouble.

00:18:50.240 He prided himself

00:18:51.420 on a life built

00:18:52.220 around dependability

00:18:53.220 and routine,

00:18:54.700 working at the

00:18:55.620 same factory

00:18:56.260 where his father

00:18:56.860 once did

00:18:57.400 and spending

00:18:57.800 his weekends

00:18:58.340 coaching baseball

00:18:59.240 and teaching

00:19:00.140 Sunday school.

00:19:01.340 He had never

00:19:02.020 fired a gun

00:19:02.720 or smoked a cigarette

00:19:04.000 or missed a payment

00:19:05.480 or had been arrested.

00:19:06.660 By the way,

00:19:07.520 I'm not sure I believe

00:19:08.600 that he's never

00:19:09.040 fired a gun.

00:19:09.660 The guy's in rural

00:19:10.300 Minnesota.

00:19:11.020 That sounds like

00:19:12.140 a New York Times

00:19:12.840 BS statement.

00:19:15.080 But leave that

00:19:16.340 as his side.

00:19:17.600 Quote,

00:19:18.620 License and registration

00:19:19.660 please,

00:19:20.300 the officer said.

00:19:21.440 Kluver, 42,

00:19:22.960 handed them over

00:19:23.720 and waited

00:19:24.300 while the officer

00:19:25.060 went back

00:19:25.600 to his patrol car.

00:19:27.120 He listened

00:19:27.680 to the church bells

00:19:28.480 that rang every hour

00:19:29.540 and watched the sunlight

00:19:30.520 reflect off the grain silos

00:19:32.160 in downtown Olivia

00:19:33.700 where he knew

00:19:34.520 most of the 2,400 residents

00:19:36.620 including the officers

00:19:38.260 walking back

00:19:38.880 to his car.

00:19:40.200 Is everything all right?

00:19:41.500 Kluver asked.

00:19:43.120 It's strange

00:19:43.860 but it looks like

00:19:44.900 your license

00:19:45.420 has been suspended.

00:19:47.040 You've got another

00:19:47.700 driver's license

00:19:48.540 with some issues

00:19:50.380 down in Missouri.

00:19:52.160 What?

00:19:53.200 Kluver said.

00:19:53.780 I've barely ever

00:19:54.500 been to Missouri.

00:19:55.760 How is that possible?

00:19:57.600 The officer

00:19:58.360 had no answers

00:19:59.120 but Kluver feared

00:20:00.040 he might know

00:20:00.640 what was happening.

00:20:02.160 Over the years

00:20:02.860 there had been signs

00:20:03.740 that something

00:20:04.240 wasn't right.

00:20:05.480 Stray letters

00:20:06.020 about wages earned

00:20:07.140 in unfamiliar towns

00:20:08.320 and collection notices

00:20:09.880 for debt

00:20:10.480 that wasn't his.

00:20:12.440 Kluver had tried

00:20:13.140 to untangle

00:20:13.820 the mess several times

00:20:14.880 by hiring tax specialists

00:20:16.140 and driving to government

00:20:17.760 offices across the state

00:20:19.100 only to run into

00:20:20.440 the same bureaucratic

00:20:21.540 debt ends.

00:20:22.140 But now the problem

00:20:23.660 was bigger

00:20:24.140 than unpaid taxes.

00:20:26.120 Somebody was impersonating him

00:20:27.900 moving through the world

00:20:29.000 as Dan Kluver

00:20:29.760 building a life

00:20:30.760 in his name

00:20:32.540 with a government

00:20:33.280 issued ID.

00:20:34.800 His problem

00:20:35.520 was one version

00:20:36.200 of a problem

00:20:36.700 that's been spreading

00:20:37.340 across the country

00:20:38.060 for years.

00:20:38.680 The government

00:20:39.780 estimates that

00:20:40.540 as many as

00:20:41.100 one million

00:20:42.540 undocumented workers

00:20:43.740 are using fraudulent

00:20:44.780 or stolen

00:20:45.300 social security numbers.

00:20:46.480 Let me repeat that.

00:20:47.900 The government

00:20:48.420 estimates that

00:20:49.860 as many as

00:20:50.500 one million

00:20:51.760 undocumented workers

00:20:52.980 are using

00:20:54.020 fraudulent

00:20:54.560 or stolen

00:20:55.280 social security numbers.

00:20:57.000 A survival tactic

00:20:58.240 of course

00:20:58.580 a survivor tactic

00:20:59.280 they're just stealing

00:20:59.920 because they want to survive

00:21:00.760 used to pass

00:21:02.340 background checks

00:21:03.240 and get jobs.

00:21:04.940 The numbers

00:21:05.400 are skimmed

00:21:05.900 from data breach

00:21:06.580 sold in the black market

00:21:07.880 online for as

00:21:08.620 little as $150

00:21:09.460 or handed out

00:21:11.240 in border towns

00:21:12.120 by human smugglers.

00:21:14.180 Many numbers

00:21:14.760 connect back

00:21:15.380 to U.S. citizen children

00:21:16.580 dead people 0.94

00:21:17.740 or Puerto Ricans 0.72

00:21:19.380 whose numbers

00:21:19.920 circulate easily

00:21:20.800 across the mainland

00:21:21.600 but thousands

00:21:23.140 of others

00:21:23.620 belong to people

00:21:24.580 like Kluver

00:21:25.200 Americans

00:21:25.920 whose names

00:21:26.880 and identities

00:21:27.520 are no longer

00:21:29.140 theirs alone.

00:21:30.760 The police officer

00:21:31.920 sent Kluver home

00:21:32.740 with a warning

00:21:33.280 and he sifted

00:21:34.560 through file cabinets

00:21:35.440 with his wife Christy

00:21:36.460 searching for clues

00:21:37.560 about the other

00:21:39.340 Dan Kluver.

00:21:41.120 His social security

00:21:42.220 card was safely

00:21:42.980 locked away

00:21:43.540 alongside birth certificates

00:21:44.740 for their three children.

00:21:46.680 He'd never been robbed

00:21:47.580 or even lost his wallet

00:21:48.700 but there was his number

00:21:50.500 printed on a W-2

00:21:51.940 from a leather factory

00:21:53.400 in a town

00:21:53.940 he never visited.

00:21:55.260 He traced 15 years

00:21:56.960 of records

00:21:57.460 and found more tax documents

00:21:58.900 listing unfamiliar jobs.

00:22:00.940 At a cement plant

00:22:02.100 in Kansas

00:22:02.680 a paper mill

00:22:03.400 in Tennessee

00:22:03.900 a construction company

00:22:05.460 in Ohio

00:22:05.920 a cereal factory

00:22:07.900 in Nebraska

00:22:08.520 and a dog food plant

00:22:10.140 in Missouri.

00:22:11.520 How do you think

00:22:12.040 you've been getting

00:22:12.580 between all these places?

00:22:13.820 Christy asked.

00:22:14.460 It's eerie.

00:22:15.660 It's like I've lost

00:22:16.860 all control

00:22:18.320 over who I am

00:22:19.240 Kluver said.

00:22:20.480 Some years

00:22:21.140 the other Dan Kluver

00:22:22.220 had earned

00:22:23.360 more than his own salary

00:22:25.100 at a local

00:22:26.540 sugar beet factory

00:22:27.560 which pushed

00:22:28.520 the total income

00:22:29.340 under a social security

00:22:30.280 number

00:22:30.640 into a higher tax bracket

00:22:32.560 as the debt

00:22:33.720 started to mount.

00:22:35.340 Twice

00:22:35.700 he'd contacted

00:22:36.320 law enforcement

00:22:36.980 and filed

00:22:37.400 an identity theft

00:22:38.140 report with the

00:22:38.760 federal government.

00:22:40.000 He waited for relief

00:22:40.980 while the IRS

00:22:41.720 docked his annual

00:22:42.720 tax returns

00:22:43.460 and garnished

00:22:44.160 a few of his paychecks

00:22:45.700 costing him thousands.

00:22:48.020 Finally

00:22:48.400 a few months

00:22:48.940 before their wedding

00:22:49.640 in 2012

00:22:50.320 Christy decided

00:22:51.680 to pay off the balance

00:22:52.800 emptying her savings 0.86

00:22:54.040 and sending

00:22:54.580 a check for $6,000.

00:22:57.340 Their relief

00:22:58.000 lasted until

00:22:58.660 the next tax season

00:22:59.740 when a new bill

00:23:00.880 arrived

00:23:01.420 this one

00:23:02.500 for $22,000.

00:23:04.960 They spent

00:23:05.860 the next decade

00:23:06.780 living with

00:23:07.260 the consequences

00:23:07.960 annual tax audits

00:23:09.860 budgets that

00:23:10.600 never added up

00:23:11.500 whispered arguments

00:23:13.340 after the kids

00:23:14.060 went to bed.

00:23:14.760 Kluver kept

00:23:15.200 calling government

00:23:15.920 numbers and waiting

00:23:16.820 on hold

00:23:17.740 until he eventually

00:23:18.500 resigned himself

00:23:19.540 to a payment plan.

00:23:21.240 He agreed

00:23:21.640 to send the IRS

00:23:22.500 $150 each month

00:23:24.280 which he'd done

00:23:25.480 more than 35 times.

00:23:27.940 I can't keep

00:23:28.660 obsessing over

00:23:29.440 this and getting

00:23:29.980 nowhere

00:23:30.380 he told Christy

00:23:31.340 I need to

00:23:32.480 think about

00:23:32.940 something else.

00:23:34.500 That

00:23:34.940 is going on

00:23:36.820 and yet

00:23:37.860 the New York

00:23:38.720 Times

00:23:39.200 at the same

00:23:39.840 time

00:23:40.380 described

00:23:41.720 the person

00:23:43.240 who'd stolen

00:23:43.720 his identity.

00:23:44.980 He had lived

00:23:45.680 under enough

00:23:46.220 names and numbers

00:23:46.920 in the United States

00:23:47.760 that they started

00:23:48.860 to blur together.

00:23:50.720 Vincent Trujillo

00:23:51.780 Reynaldo Guerra

00:23:53.380 and then

00:23:54.720 for more than a decade

00:23:55.620 Daniel Kluver

00:23:56.360 the name he'd used

00:23:57.320 until he could

00:23:57.780 barely remember

00:23:58.400 what it felt

00:23:58.880 like to exist

00:23:59.620 as himself.

00:24:01.200 Romeo Perez

00:24:02.240 Bravo

00:24:02.800 42

00:24:03.580 a Guatemalan

00:24:05.120 immigrant who

00:24:05.720 has spent

00:24:06.060 most of his

00:24:06.600 adult life

00:24:07.120 working under

00:24:07.700 borrowed identities

00:24:09.020 borrowed being

00:24:09.740 the fake name

00:24:11.280 for stolen.

00:24:12.640 By the start

00:24:13.120 of 2025

00:24:13.740 he was preparing

00:24:14.560 for another

00:24:14.980 graveyard shift

00:24:15.820 in St.

00:24:16.300 Joseph Missouri

00:24:17.000 lacing his

00:24:18.160 work boots

00:24:18.620 in the darkness

00:24:19.200 and his drafty

00:24:20.340 rental while his

00:24:20.960 wife and five 0.98

00:24:21.520 children slept.

00:24:22.840 He packed

00:24:23.280 their school

00:24:23.680 lunches the next

00:24:24.440 day drove to

00:24:25.120 the dog food

00:24:25.660 factory and

00:24:26.220 gathered with

00:24:26.740 his co-workers

00:24:27.340 to say their

00:24:27.880 nightly prayer.

00:24:29.080 Then he swiped

00:24:29.820 his badge to

00:24:30.400 begin another

00:24:31.180 12-hour shift

00:24:32.100 as Daniel Kluver

00:24:33.020 sinking deeper

00:24:34.060 into an identity

00:24:35.760 that wasn't

00:24:36.380 really his own.

00:24:38.000 Daniel his

00:24:38.820 boss always

00:24:39.400 shouted taking

00:24:40.000 attendance before

00:24:40.720 they went to

00:24:41.140 their lines.

00:24:42.380 Here he said

00:24:43.140 Perez Bravo

00:24:44.800 had come to

00:24:45.300 the United States

00:24:45.940 for the first

00:24:46.420 time at 16

00:24:47.180 to help earn

00:24:47.760 money for his

00:24:48.300 family traveling

00:24:49.060 alone to join

00:24:49.860 his father

00:24:50.340 in Marshall

00:24:51.380 Minnesota.

00:24:52.400 He hiked

00:24:53.120 out of the

00:24:53.520 Guatemalan

00:24:54.000 highlands

00:24:54.480 rode atop

00:24:55.160 a freight

00:24:55.480 train for

00:24:55.900 three weeks

00:24:56.360 across Mexico

00:24:57.120 nearly drowned

00:24:58.460 in the Rio Grande

00:24:59.240 and took a

00:25:00.280 greyhound to

00:25:00.880 middle America

00:25:01.500 where life

00:25:02.400 somehow felt

00:25:03.080 harder.

00:25:04.120 He slept on

00:25:04.620 a couch in

00:25:05.120 his father's

00:25:05.540 apartment and

00:25:06.060 enrolled in

00:25:06.600 high school

00:25:07.020 despite speaking

00:25:07.920 almost no

00:25:08.820 English.

00:25:09.920 Then he began

00:25:10.460 to look for a

00:25:11.120 job but no

00:25:11.740 one would hire

00:25:12.440 an underage

00:25:13.100 worker without

00:25:13.700 papers.

00:25:14.940 The entire

00:25:15.560 story goes on

00:25:16.460 to say this

00:25:17.860 guy who has

00:25:18.960 stolen the

00:25:19.640 identity of a

00:25:20.600 poor working

00:25:21.760 man in

00:25:22.200 Minnesota he's

00:25:23.580 the victim.

00:25:24.480 Despite the

00:25:25.600 fact that

00:25:26.200 Daniel Kluver

00:25:27.340 the real

00:25:27.700 Daniel Kluver

00:25:28.400 is paying

00:25:29.700 IRS debts

00:25:30.680 his credit

00:25:31.320 has been

00:25:31.740 ruined it

00:25:32.780 has been a

00:25:33.320 nightmare for

00:25:33.980 him and yet

00:25:34.420 for the New

00:25:34.880 York Times

00:25:35.460 they say it's

00:25:36.020 one identity

00:25:36.900 this this this

00:25:37.700 the poor guy

00:25:38.800 that stole his

00:25:39.580 identity is

00:25:40.280 really the

00:25:40.900 victim.

00:25:41.660 It is an

00:25:42.560 infuriating

00:25:43.500 example of

00:25:44.400 propaganda and

00:25:45.100 let me go

00:25:45.380 back to the

00:25:45.880 stat that I

00:25:46.440 read more

00:25:48.300 than one

00:25:49.120 million illegal

00:25:50.120 immigrants have 0.98

00:25:50.840 stolen identities

00:25:52.380 of Americans and

00:25:54.240 Americans are

00:25:54.860 hurting all over

00:25:55.420 the country and

00:25:55.940 the New York

00:25:56.280 Times is saying

00:25:57.180 you too should

00:25:58.900 have your

00:25:59.260 identity stolen

00:25:59.980 you too should

00:26:00.800 pay the price

00:26:01.480 you too should

00:26:02.640 pay IRS bills

00:26:03.620 that you don't

00:26:04.280 know because an

00:26:05.600 illegal immigrant

00:26:06.220 stole stole your

00:26:07.340 identity and by

00:26:08.120 the way that

00:26:09.780 illegal immigrants

00:26:10.520 the victim not 0.80

00:26:11.320 you.

00:26:12.620 Senator finally on

00:26:14.100 the show let's

00:26:15.000 deal with a

00:26:15.980 major problem it's

00:26:17.500 it's huge a

00:26:19.020 university is now

00:26:20.280 warning of a 0.54

00:26:21.680 quote-unquote

00:26:22.480 whiteness

00:26:24.280 pandemic not a

00:26:25.680 problem but a

00:26:26.300 pandemic a

00:26:27.320 whiteness

00:26:28.080 pandemic this

00:26:29.480 coming from the

00:26:30.300 University of

00:26:31.340 Minnesota I'll 0.51

00:26:32.340 let you take it

00:26:32.960 from there.

00:26:34.600 Yeah I gotta say

00:26:35.680 this is gonna

00:26:36.160 piss you off are 0.99

00:26:37.520 you white then 1.00

00:26:38.740 apparently you are 1.00

00:26:39.840 an evil noxious 0.99

00:26:41.200 scourge on 0.99

00:26:41.980 America you are a 1.00

00:26:42.900 pandemic you are a 1.00

00:26:44.000 virus you are a 1.00

00:26:44.920 disease and woke 1.00

00:26:46.780 leftists are gonna

00:26:48.100 re-educate the

00:26:49.060 whiteness right out

00:26:49.860 of you like I

00:26:51.280 wish I were

00:26:52.100 making this up

00:26:52.840 like when I say

00:26:53.480 these words you

00:26:55.500 you you sound like 1.00

00:26:56.760 a lunatic you 1.00

00:26:57.440 sound like you're 1.00

00:26:58.140 wearing like a

00:26:58.860 tinfoil hat and

00:27:00.300 you believe in

00:27:01.100 conspiracy theories

00:27:01.980 but I want you I

00:27:03.380 want to read to

00:27:04.160 you from a 0.67

00:27:05.600 website from the

00:27:06.540 University of

00:27:07.100 Minnesota by the

00:27:07.900 way this is a

00:27:08.420 state website this

00:27:09.360 is all right here

00:27:10.520 here's what the

00:27:11.180 website says quote

00:27:12.400 what is the

00:27:14.480 whiteness

00:27:14.980 pandemic racism is

00:27:17.320 an epidemic that

00:27:18.480 can also be

00:27:19.080 considered a

00:27:19.640 pandemic given

00:27:20.960 its large

00:27:21.620 cross-national

00:27:22.320 proportion and

00:27:23.140 spread however

00:27:24.620 there is another

00:27:25.580 pandemic lurking

00:27:26.560 behind and

00:27:27.200 driving the

00:27:27.880 racist pandemic

00:27:28.720 the whiteness 0.96

00:27:30.460 pandemic

00:27:31.260 whiteness refers

00:27:32.900 to culture not

00:27:33.720 biology the

00:27:34.840 centuries-old

00:27:35.600 culture of

00:27:36.260 whiteness features

00:27:37.560 colorblindness in

00:27:38.600 other words not

00:27:39.060 being a racist that

00:27:40.100 is the whiteness 0.99

00:27:40.740 pandemic passivity

00:27:42.520 and white fragility 0.81

00:27:44.580 were all covert

00:27:46.360 expressions of

00:27:47.180 racism common in

00:27:48.340 the United States

00:27:49.180 naming the

00:27:50.640 whiteness pandemic

00:27:51.520 shifts our gaze

00:27:52.580 from the victims

00:27:53.360 and effects of

00:27:54.040 racism onto the

00:27:55.580 systems that

00:27:56.260 perpetrate and

00:27:56.980 perpetuate racism

00:27:58.080 starting with the

00:27:59.380 family system in

00:28:00.380 other words families

00:28:01.720 are racist if you

00:28:02.900 believe in families

00:28:03.640 if you believe in

00:28:04.240 a mom and dad

00:28:05.040 raising kids loving

00:28:05.980 kids that is the

00:28:07.540 family system is

00:28:09.040 part of the

00:28:09.780 whiteness pandemic

00:28:11.000 at birth young

00:28:13.600 children growing up

00:28:14.740 in white families

00:28:15.900 begin to be

00:28:16.560 socialized into the

00:28:17.600 culture of

00:28:18.660 whiteness making

00:28:19.960 the family system

00:28:21.020 one of the most

00:28:21.660 powerful systems

00:28:22.940 involved in

00:28:24.160 systemic racism

00:28:25.320 that this is open

00:28:26.480 we hate families is

00:28:27.840 what the University

00:28:28.420 of Minnesota is

00:28:29.060 saying and and

00:28:30.700 okay what's the

00:28:31.980 next section

00:28:32.520 quote how do we

00:28:34.860 halt and reverse

00:28:36.620 the whiteness 0.74

00:28:37.680 pandemic if you

00:28:39.540 were born and

00:28:40.160 raised in the

00:28:40.720 United States you

00:28:41.760 have grown up in

00:28:43.380 the whiteness 0.74

00:28:43.960 pandemic and you

00:28:45.280 can play a role in

00:28:46.220 halting or reversing

00:28:47.500 this pandemic

00:28:48.180 especially if you 0.99

00:28:49.800 are white because 0.99

00:28:50.500 of the power and

00:28:51.360 privilege you hold in

00:28:52.900 this racialized

00:28:53.760 society if you were

00:28:55.580 socialized into the

00:28:56.620 culture of whiteness

00:28:57.520 during your

00:28:57.940 childhood it is not

00:28:59.520 your fault but as

00:29:00.800 an adult it is now

00:29:01.960 your responsibility to

00:29:03.900 self-reflect to

00:29:05.040 re-educate yourself

00:29:06.480 and act if you are a

00:29:09.280 white adult anti-racist

00:29:11.560 action involves an

00:29:12.660 ongoing process of

00:29:13.880 self-reflection in

00:29:15.540 order to develop a

00:29:16.580 healthy positive white

00:29:17.900 identity while

00:29:19.160 encouraging courageous

00:29:20.640 anti-racist parenting

00:29:23.100 slash caregiving

00:29:24.900 what utter and 1.00

00:29:26.840 complete garbage what 1.00

00:29:28.800 racist leftist 1.00

00:29:30.220 communist dreck and 1.00

00:29:32.260 and this is the

00:29:33.080 University of

00:29:33.600 Minnesota by the

00:29:34.260 way look there are

00:29:36.340 like great people in

00:29:37.660 Minnesota they're

00:29:39.060 great people in

00:29:39.720 every state and yet

00:29:40.700 these people are 0.99

00:29:42.000 racist radicals and 1.00

00:29:44.760 this is what they're 0.94

00:29:45.980 indoctrinating our

00:29:47.160 children with not only

00:29:48.500 the indoctrinary

00:29:49.080 children but this is

00:29:50.140 where a lot of our

00:29:50.780 dollars or tax dollars

00:29:52.080 go which is the other

00:29:52.940 frustrating part that

00:29:53.880 this is what they're

00:29:54.620 indoctrinating them with

00:29:55.900 undoubtedly and and

00:29:57.920 and by the way our

00:29:59.620 podcast on Monday so

00:30:01.020 we do this podcast three

00:30:02.120 days a week Monday

00:30:02.860 Wednesday and Friday

00:30:03.580 our podcast on Monday

00:30:04.680 talked about what is

00:30:07.740 the number one

00:30:10.080 funder of Al-Shabaab

00:30:14.020 the radical Islamic

00:30:16.380 terrorist group and

00:30:18.440 the answer terrifyingly

00:30:19.720 enough is the

00:30:20.460 taxpayers of the state

00:30:21.600 of Minnesota so

00:30:22.840 Minnesota has a huge

00:30:24.480 Somali community

00:30:25.620 Somalis have invaded the 1.00

00:30:27.840 state of Minnesota

00:30:28.440 it's how you elect

00:30:29.220 Ilhan Omar who

00:30:30.240 who actively is 0.59

00:30:32.220 anti-American racist

00:30:34.140 radical embraces and 0.84

00:30:36.980 supports radical 0.97

00:30:38.020 Islamic terrorists 0.98

00:30:39.060 and the Somali 1.00

00:30:41.500 community sends

00:30:42.640 billions every year

00:30:44.720 back to Somalia and 0.99

00:30:47.820 millions of the that

00:30:49.820 money sent back ends

00:30:51.180 up directly in the

00:30:52.360 pockets in the

00:30:53.080 coffers of Al-Shabaab 0.79

00:30:54.880 and and it is the

00:30:55.760 Minnesota state

00:30:56.520 taxpayers so we

00:30:58.040 detailed this on

00:30:59.260 Monday how

00:31:00.340 welfare fraud

00:31:03.060 fraudulent

00:31:04.440 collection of

00:31:05.180 welfare payments

00:31:06.140 an entire welfare

00:31:08.080 system set up

00:31:09.300 seemingly on the

00:31:11.000 face of it to

00:31:11.780 encourage fraud to

00:31:12.780 facilitate fraud

00:31:13.760 is resulting in

00:31:15.820 Minnesota taxpayers

00:31:17.020 sending millions of

00:31:18.240 dollars to radical 0.95

00:31:19.040 Islamic terrorists

00:31:19.940 this is the same 1.00

00:31:22.020 ideology like

00:31:23.940 what do you do

00:31:26.840 if you happen to

00:31:28.720 be a white kid at

00:31:29.520 the University of 0.75

00:31:30.160 Minnesota you show

00:31:31.060 up and be told

00:31:32.740 by the way you're

00:31:33.980 just you know you're

00:31:34.980 a 17 18 year old

00:31:36.700 kid you show up as a

00:31:37.520 freshman and and if

00:31:39.320 you're white you're 0.98

00:31:40.040 told you're a 1.00

00:31:40.940 pandemic you're a 0.99

00:31:42.120 virus and the only 0.99

00:31:43.840 answer is re-educate

00:31:45.540 yourself because who

00:31:47.980 you are who America

00:31:49.920 is and understand this

00:31:51.260 screed against quote

00:31:52.300 anti-whiteness is also

00:31:54.560 a screed against

00:31:55.280 America that these

00:31:56.620 Marxists hate the

00:31:58.580 United States of

00:31:59.320 America they hate the

00:32:00.020 Constitution they hate

00:32:00.860 our freedoms and and 1.00

00:32:02.280 and this garbage that 0.97

00:32:03.880 is anti-racism this 1.00

00:32:05.120 garbage that is DEI 1.00

00:32:06.520 this garbage that says 1.00

00:32:08.220 we must institutionalize 0.99

00:32:09.800 by the way the fix for

00:32:11.580 the anti for the

00:32:13.640 whiteness pandemic is

00:32:15.280 to discriminate against 0.95

00:32:16.460 anyone who is white is 0.58

00:32:17.740 to institutionalize 0.53

00:32:19.100 racism and that is

00:32:20.600 grotesque it is wrong

00:32:21.920 it is contrary to the

00:32:23.900 14th amendment of the

00:32:24.880 Constitution which

00:32:25.680 protects provides the

00:32:27.400 equal protection of the

00:32:28.820 law to all people

00:32:29.980 regardless of race it

00:32:32.040 it is contrary to the

00:32:33.200 founding notions of

00:32:34.060 this country the the

00:32:35.120 declaration said we

00:32:37.180 hold these truths to be

00:32:38.060 self-evident that all

00:32:39.620 men are created equal

00:32:40.980 not some not just white

00:32:42.960 people not just black

00:32:43.800 people not anyone all

00:32:45.200 men and all women are

00:32:46.460 created equal that they

00:32:47.400 are endowed by their

00:32:48.380 creator with certain

00:32:49.240 unalienable rights that

00:32:50.680 among them are life

00:32:51.900 liberty and the pursuit of

00:32:52.780 happiness that's what this

00:32:53.900 country was built on and

00:32:55.660 these Marxists who have

00:32:56.880 taken over our

00:32:57.580 institutions hate that

00:32:59.760 notion and this kind of 1.00

00:33:01.920 garbage is being spewed to 1.00

00:33:04.240 our children and being 1.00

00:33:05.340 used to brainwash our

00:33:06.660 children at a massive

00:33:08.980 rate I tell this all the

00:33:10.560 time to parents when they

00:33:11.380 ask be careful where you

00:33:12.500 send your kids to college

00:33:13.940 because they could be

00:33:15.020 indoctrinated to literally

00:33:16.000 hate this country this is

00:33:18.080 another example and to

00:33:19.860 hate you exactly to hate

00:33:21.160 their mom and dad yeah but

00:33:22.620 by the way what I just

00:33:24.140 read the family system they

00:33:26.080 are attacking families

00:33:27.480 they're telling your kids

00:33:29.320 family is evil that's what

00:33:32.020 Marxists believe yeah amen

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - November 26, 2025

Huge Victory-Trump Designates Muslim Brotherhood as a Terrorist Organization, plus NYT says Illegal Aliens Stealing Identities of U.S. Citizens are the Real Victims

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