Verdict with Ted Cruz - November 26, 2025


Huge Victory-Trump Designates Muslim Brotherhood as a Terrorist Organization, plus NYT says Illegal Aliens Stealing Identities of U.S. Citizens are the Real Victims


Episode Stats

Length

34 minutes

Words per Minute

169.35925

Word Count

5,881

Sentence Count

323

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

29


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:05.240 Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz,
00:00:07.560 Ben Ferguson with you,
00:00:08.560 and I hope your Thanksgiving week
00:00:10.060 has been incredible with your family.
00:00:11.540 Safe travels out there.
00:00:13.560 Senator, we've got actually a lot to talk about.
00:00:16.100 Usually it's a slow week during the holidays,
00:00:18.220 not so much this week at all.
00:00:20.600 Well, there's a lot going on,
00:00:21.680 but I want to start by just saying
00:00:23.100 this week at Thanksgiving,
00:00:24.680 I hope you took a minute to just hug your family.
00:00:28.000 Hug your wife,
00:00:29.440 hug your husband,
00:00:30.740 hug your kids.
00:00:32.060 Let your kids know why you love them,
00:00:34.580 what they mean to you.
00:00:35.680 If your mom and dad are still with you,
00:00:37.500 tell them,
00:00:38.180 my parents, you know,
00:00:39.140 my mom is turning,
00:00:40.860 just turned 91,
00:00:42.120 my dad is 86.
00:00:43.880 Like the moments with family,
00:00:46.220 these holidays are so important.
00:00:48.700 Love them and give thanks.
00:00:51.000 Like we have so much to give thanks for.
00:00:54.080 We have so much to give thanks for being Americans,
00:00:56.880 for those of us who are blessed to be Texans,
00:00:59.440 we have even more to give thanks for.
00:01:01.360 We have thanks for our liberty.
00:01:03.600 We have thanks for American Free Enterprise.
00:01:05.780 We have thanks for the Declaration of Independence
00:01:07.640 and the Constitution,
00:01:09.140 our fundamental liberties.
00:01:10.340 And so I hope in this time,
00:01:12.580 look,
00:01:12.820 it's so easy.
00:01:13.700 Life goes so fast.
00:01:14.860 It goes so crazy.
00:01:15.780 You're going a million miles an hour.
00:01:17.640 Everything distracts you.
00:01:18.960 I hope during this week,
00:01:21.380 you take a minute to sit down
00:01:22.700 and play a game with your kids.
00:01:24.160 You take a minute.
00:01:25.880 You know,
00:01:26.200 my daughters have started liking to play poker.
00:01:29.400 I love to play poker.
00:01:31.400 And just sitting down,
00:01:32.800 like playing poker,
00:01:33.860 playing Monopoly,
00:01:34.680 playing backgammon,
00:01:35.560 playing chess,
00:01:36.880 playing Uno,
00:01:38.340 playing charades,
00:01:39.700 like those moments
00:01:41.460 are priceless.
00:01:43.180 And so,
00:01:44.300 yes,
00:01:44.520 there's a lot going on
00:01:45.360 and we're going to talk about all of that.
00:01:47.320 But I really do,
00:01:49.560 God has blessed this nation incredibly.
00:01:53.760 And if you are fortunate enough to be healthy,
00:01:57.160 if you are fortunate enough to,
00:01:59.420 like you and I are,
00:02:00.520 Ben,
00:02:00.880 to be dads,
00:02:02.180 like being a dad,
00:02:03.580 what an incredible privilege.
00:02:05.220 What an incredible,
00:02:06.060 like watching your kids grow up,
00:02:07.880 watching your kids express strong,
00:02:10.820 passionate views.
00:02:11.640 Just take this week.
00:02:14.380 This week and Christmas week
00:02:15.980 are I think the two most important weeks
00:02:18.060 to just love on your kids.
00:02:19.880 And so that's something
00:02:20.760 I just want to encourage you.
00:02:22.400 You're listening to a podcast.
00:02:23.700 That's great.
00:02:24.620 That's be engaged.
00:02:25.980 But don't take the time away
00:02:27.960 from your family and your kids,
00:02:29.720 especially this week.
00:02:31.260 Amen to that.
00:02:32.340 Couldn't agree with you more.
00:02:34.180 As we,
00:02:34.680 and by the way,
00:02:35.180 with poker,
00:02:35.900 who's better?
00:02:36.440 I got to ask.
00:02:37.080 Is it you?
00:02:37.760 Or are they taking your money yet?
00:02:39.020 I just,
00:02:39.480 I got to know that.
00:02:40.260 So I got to say,
00:02:41.860 Caroline,
00:02:42.340 my oldest daughter,
00:02:43.080 has become a pretty good
00:02:44.220 little poker player.
00:02:45.200 And she's got her boyfriend,
00:02:47.040 Bruce.
00:02:48.120 They like playing poker with me.
00:02:49.940 We were,
00:02:50.280 this summer,
00:02:50.740 we went to Lake Powell
00:02:51.740 in Nevada and Utah.
00:02:55.260 And Lake Powell is gorgeous.
00:02:56.880 It's basically,
00:02:58.080 it's basically the Grand Canyon
00:03:00.640 filled up halfway with water.
00:03:02.180 And my father-in-law
00:03:03.220 has a houseboat.
00:03:04.820 He's had a houseboat for 30 years.
00:03:06.220 And you get out on the houseboat
00:03:07.420 and you tow a water ski boat,
00:03:10.680 you tow a jet ski,
00:03:12.240 and you just get out there
00:03:13.280 and spend a week.
00:03:14.080 And there's no phone,
00:03:15.180 there's no internet,
00:03:16.060 it's disconnected from the world.
00:03:18.280 And,
00:03:18.760 you know,
00:03:19.080 you get out there,
00:03:19.880 you water ski,
00:03:20.680 you jet ski,
00:03:21.380 you swim,
00:03:22.620 you jump off the top
00:03:23.880 of the houseboat.
00:03:24.380 By the way,
00:03:24.760 my brother-in-law,
00:03:25.820 you want to talk about
00:03:26.400 a badass trick?
00:03:27.840 My brother-in-law
00:03:29.040 has a trick
00:03:29.660 where he stands
00:03:30.340 on the top of the houseboat,
00:03:31.760 he holds the rope
00:03:33.240 from the water ski
00:03:34.520 and his wife gets
00:03:36.140 in the water ski boat
00:03:36.940 and she punches it.
00:03:38.380 He jumps off
00:03:39.680 the second story
00:03:40.460 of the houseboat,
00:03:41.200 he lands on his rear end,
00:03:43.580 he goes underwater,
00:03:44.660 goes about six,
00:03:45.380 eight feet underwater,
00:03:46.400 and he pops up
00:03:47.280 in barefoots.
00:03:48.680 It is a crazy-ass trick.
00:03:51.200 That's so cool.
00:03:51.840 And I got to say,
00:03:53.360 like we did that this summer,
00:03:54.880 spent a week,
00:03:56.480 and that's where
00:03:58.180 Caroline and Bruce said,
00:03:59.880 hey dad,
00:04:01.080 you really like
00:04:01.820 to play poker,
00:04:02.400 can you teach us to play?
00:04:03.440 And so we sat there,
00:04:04.300 we had a bunch of
00:04:04.820 like bottle caps
00:04:05.600 and used bottle caps
00:04:06.860 as chips.
00:04:08.200 We didn't play for money,
00:04:09.360 but we played every night
00:04:10.300 and it was every night
00:04:11.880 from like 10 p.m.
00:04:12.940 to 1 in the morning
00:04:13.700 we played poker
00:04:14.380 and that was,
00:04:16.440 you know,
00:04:17.000 when I was a kid,
00:04:18.480 when I was a little kid,
00:04:19.280 my grandmother,
00:04:20.080 when I was six,
00:04:20.840 seven,
00:04:21.040 eight years old,
00:04:22.180 she taught me
00:04:22.740 to play poker
00:04:23.280 and she was an
00:04:25.380 incredible card player.
00:04:26.340 She played bridge
00:04:27.200 every week for,
00:04:28.320 she lived into her 80s,
00:04:30.460 she probably played
00:04:31.020 70 years worth of bridge.
00:04:32.980 But she taught me
00:04:33.620 to play poker,
00:04:34.300 she had a tin
00:04:35.820 of buttons
00:04:37.960 and we would use
00:04:38.940 the buttons as chips.
00:04:40.820 And, you know,
00:04:41.820 she had some like
00:04:42.700 costume jewelry
00:04:43.500 that were like
00:04:44.120 fake diamonds,
00:04:45.460 so I would,
00:04:46.200 you know,
00:04:46.500 eight years old,
00:04:47.280 I'd say one million dollars
00:04:48.860 and I'd throw out
00:04:49.460 like a diamond chip.
00:04:51.520 And for like two years,
00:04:54.100 I won every time.
00:04:55.420 She'd babysit me
00:04:56.180 when my parents went out
00:04:57.060 and like if they wanted
00:04:57.900 to have a date night
00:04:58.460 or something,
00:04:58.900 they'd drop me off
00:04:59.520 at Granny's house
00:05:00.660 and we'd sit there
00:05:02.260 and play poker.
00:05:04.080 And after a couple
00:05:05.680 of years of doing it
00:05:06.460 and I'd won over
00:05:07.220 and over again,
00:05:08.560 I came to her,
00:05:09.260 I said,
00:05:09.480 Granny,
00:05:09.840 let's play for real money.
00:05:11.640 And I had five dollars.
00:05:14.060 And Ben,
00:05:14.560 at the time,
00:05:15.140 my allowance
00:05:15.620 was 50 cents a week,
00:05:16.660 so five dollars
00:05:17.380 was 10 weeks allowance.
00:05:19.460 It was a ton of money.
00:05:21.600 And she said,
00:05:22.400 sure,
00:05:22.840 absolutely happy to.
00:05:24.900 So we sat down,
00:05:25.880 played poker.
00:05:27.220 She cleaned me out.
00:05:29.340 Took every penny.
00:05:30.500 That's an important lesson
00:05:31.400 in life
00:05:31.760 is not winning money
00:05:32.620 but losing money
00:05:33.600 because it keeps you
00:05:34.420 in check,
00:05:34.920 I think,
00:05:35.220 forever.
00:05:36.400 Oh,
00:05:36.940 when my parents
00:05:37.760 picked me up,
00:05:38.940 I was there crying
00:05:40.460 and my Irish grandmother
00:05:43.280 was laughing
00:05:44.320 as she like sent me home
00:05:46.240 and said,
00:05:46.660 well,
00:05:46.840 Sonny,
00:05:47.120 you want to play for money?
00:05:47.960 Let me know next time
00:05:48.600 you want to do it.
00:05:49.620 And she didn't give it back,
00:05:51.540 which is like the reason
00:05:52.380 why you learned your lesson.
00:05:53.080 Oh, no.
00:05:53.940 No, no.
00:05:54.420 I never got that five bucks back.
00:05:56.100 That's so good.
00:05:57.000 I love it.
00:05:57.560 So, you know,
00:05:58.360 for my,
00:05:59.300 I got twin boys.
00:06:00.580 Georgie is my game player.
00:06:02.080 He's obsessed.
00:06:03.240 All Thanksgiving break,
00:06:04.560 we've been playing poker.
00:06:06.020 He loves it.
00:06:07.180 And he grins
00:06:07.840 because we have poker chips.
00:06:08.740 We don't play for money.
00:06:09.540 Hold them or what are you playing?
00:06:11.000 What plan takes to hold them?
00:06:12.020 Yeah.
00:06:12.180 And he loves it.
00:06:12.960 He's six years old
00:06:13.680 but he's really good with numbers.
00:06:15.580 He loves playing blackjack.
00:06:16.860 Same thing.
00:06:17.400 We'll use chips
00:06:18.000 and, you know,
00:06:18.460 whoever wins
00:06:18.960 just has the bragging rights
00:06:20.700 at the table.
00:06:21.080 We all start with the same amount.
00:06:22.500 But at six years old,
00:06:23.420 he started whooping my dad
00:06:25.000 and my sister's boyfriend
00:06:27.060 lost to him this morning
00:06:28.460 which really made me laugh
00:06:30.280 because he's so proud of himself
00:06:31.580 at six.
00:06:32.020 Like, I get this game.
00:06:33.060 Like, this is so fun.
00:06:33.980 Like you said,
00:06:34.660 spending time with the fam
00:06:35.540 over the holidays,
00:06:36.780 playing card games,
00:06:37.860 Uno,
00:06:38.260 whatever it is,
00:06:39.100 do it with your kids
00:06:39.920 because those are the memories
00:06:41.540 you remember
00:06:41.940 for the rest of your life.
00:06:43.260 And by the way,
00:06:44.020 I got to say,
00:06:44.520 Cubans,
00:06:44.940 what we do on holidays
00:06:45.940 is we play dominoes.
00:06:47.740 And Cubans playing dominoes,
00:06:49.300 number one,
00:06:49.780 so we don't play
00:06:50.780 double six dominoes.
00:06:51.840 Double six dominoes
00:06:52.820 are common in Mexico,
00:06:54.820 much of the Caribbean.
00:06:56.020 But Cubans play
00:06:56.820 double nine dominoes.
00:06:57.880 And double nine dominoes
00:06:58.720 is a lot more complicated
00:06:59.480 because you've got
00:06:59.860 a lot more numbers
00:07:00.600 to think through.
00:07:02.260 And my grandfather,
00:07:04.120 oh, my abuelo,
00:07:05.660 he could play dominoes.
00:07:07.340 In fact,
00:07:07.640 we still have these, like,
00:07:08.840 wooden domino trays
00:07:09.800 that he made
00:07:10.400 in this wood shop
00:07:11.280 that we play with
00:07:12.820 to this day.
00:07:13.480 And he was such a good
00:07:15.740 domino player
00:07:16.480 that after, like,
00:07:17.980 four rounds,
00:07:20.020 he could tell you
00:07:21.020 what dominoes
00:07:21.720 every person around
00:07:22.400 the table had.
00:07:23.220 Like, it was freakish.
00:07:24.280 See, I don't have that.
00:07:25.380 Do you have that
00:07:26.060 type of memory?
00:07:26.700 I just don't.
00:07:28.780 I have some of it,
00:07:30.440 but not at the...
00:07:32.200 So when it comes to poker,
00:07:33.400 one of my best friends
00:07:34.560 in the world
00:07:35.060 is actually
00:07:35.940 an amateur
00:07:37.620 professional poker player.
00:07:39.960 So he has played
00:07:41.160 in multiple world series
00:07:42.200 of poker.
00:07:42.660 And I've played
00:07:43.920 with him a ton.
00:07:44.580 And it's interesting,
00:07:45.440 when he and I play,
00:07:47.180 he gets pissed
00:07:47.940 because he's very,
00:07:49.520 very good at the math.
00:07:50.360 He knows the math
00:07:51.080 of every hand.
00:07:51.880 Here are the outs.
00:07:52.560 Here's the percentages.
00:07:53.860 I'm okay at the math.
00:07:55.140 I'm...
00:07:56.300 I don't have
00:07:57.160 the percentages down
00:07:58.500 like it's 37%,
00:07:59.820 but I have the percentages
00:08:01.360 notionally right.
00:08:02.580 I have a general...
00:08:03.640 I have a pretty good
00:08:04.240 sense of the math,
00:08:04.980 but it's not exact.
00:08:06.780 What I play
00:08:07.860 is I read
00:08:09.040 the other players.
00:08:10.000 So this buddy of mine
00:08:11.020 who was a groomsman
00:08:12.620 at my wedding,
00:08:13.040 one of my closest friends,
00:08:14.460 will play,
00:08:15.080 and we probably played
00:08:15.800 100 poker games together.
00:08:17.060 And my guess is
00:08:17.660 I've won about half
00:08:18.500 and he's won about half.
00:08:20.180 And it drives him crazy
00:08:21.380 because I'll make plays
00:08:22.380 and he's like,
00:08:22.760 what the hell are you doing?
00:08:23.820 You can't do that.
00:08:25.580 The math didn't make sense.
00:08:27.340 And I'll look at him
00:08:27.920 and say,
00:08:28.200 Adam,
00:08:28.580 I did it
00:08:30.080 because you didn't want me to.
00:08:31.360 Because when I'm playing poker,
00:08:32.700 the biggest thing I'm doing
00:08:33.720 is I'm looking in the eyes
00:08:35.400 of the other people.
00:08:36.140 I'm trying to figure out
00:08:36.820 what do you want
00:08:37.580 and I'm going to do
00:08:38.160 the opposite
00:08:38.680 of what you want.
00:08:39.380 And so it's a look,
00:08:41.120 what's fun about poker
00:08:42.100 is you have the math
00:08:43.800 and skill of it,
00:08:44.980 but you also have
00:08:46.380 the people reading
00:08:47.340 and that's a blast.
00:08:49.360 And I got to say,
00:08:50.120 I'm really proud
00:08:51.620 because my daughter,
00:08:52.300 Caroline,
00:08:53.180 she's good at both of that.
00:08:54.800 I mean,
00:08:55.020 she's still a new poker player,
00:08:57.520 but she's good
00:08:59.080 at reading people.
00:08:59.800 That's awesome.
00:09:01.120 Donald Trump
00:09:01.840 has begun the process,
00:09:03.420 Senator,
00:09:04.080 of designating
00:09:05.040 the Muslim Brotherhood
00:09:06.060 as a terrorist organization.
00:09:07.520 This is something
00:09:08.160 that you've been advocating
00:09:09.420 for,
00:09:09.900 talking about.
00:09:10.880 We've talked about
00:09:11.620 on the show
00:09:11.980 for quite some time.
00:09:13.780 They've also been
00:09:14.580 doing this in Texas
00:09:16.120 and now we're seeing
00:09:17.200 it become part two
00:09:18.260 nationwide.
00:09:19.060 Your reaction?
00:09:20.560 So look,
00:09:20.980 this is massively important.
00:09:22.520 President Trump
00:09:23.100 announced this week
00:09:24.080 that he's going to
00:09:25.220 designate the Muslim Brotherhood
00:09:26.560 as a terrorist organization.
00:09:28.400 I have literally
00:09:29.620 been fighting
00:09:30.360 for this to happen
00:09:31.180 for 10 years.
00:09:32.620 It has been
00:09:33.140 five different Congresses
00:09:34.960 that I've introduced
00:09:36.440 legislation directing
00:09:38.620 the federal government
00:09:39.400 to designate
00:09:40.060 the Muslim Brotherhood
00:09:40.820 as a terrorist organization.
00:09:42.420 We came really,
00:09:43.860 really close
00:09:44.320 in the first Trump administration.
00:09:45.500 I was pushing this.
00:09:46.680 I had legislation.
00:09:47.480 I was fighting for it.
00:09:49.060 And the reason
00:09:49.660 we fell just short
00:09:51.220 is the deep state
00:09:55.240 and the State Department,
00:09:56.280 they did not want
00:09:57.340 to designate
00:09:57.960 the Muslim Brotherhood
00:09:58.800 as a terrorist organization.
00:10:00.980 And the old version
00:10:02.560 of the legislation
00:10:03.340 I filed was a top-down.
00:10:06.140 So what it did
00:10:06.900 is it directed
00:10:07.760 the State Department
00:10:09.040 and the administration
00:10:09.880 to designate
00:10:11.440 the Global Muslim Brotherhood,
00:10:13.020 the umbrella organization,
00:10:15.180 as a terrorist organization.
00:10:16.880 And what happened
00:10:17.560 was the deep state bureaucrats,
00:10:19.620 they argued,
00:10:20.460 well,
00:10:21.460 it is not definitively proven
00:10:23.480 that every single
00:10:25.240 Muslim Brotherhood affiliate
00:10:26.440 across the globe
00:10:27.320 is a terrorist organization.
00:10:29.180 Some of them clearly are,
00:10:30.760 but it's not proven
00:10:31.620 that all of them are.
00:10:32.620 And that argument
00:10:33.700 at the end of the day
00:10:34.580 stopped Trump 1
00:10:35.980 from doing this.
00:10:38.260 So,
00:10:39.040 Trump 2 starts.
00:10:40.320 And I leaned in again
00:10:41.400 and I said,
00:10:41.960 all right,
00:10:42.160 we're going to get this done.
00:10:44.120 And I redrafted
00:10:45.580 the legislation
00:10:46.240 to pick a totally
00:10:47.300 different approach.
00:10:48.060 Instead of being top-down,
00:10:50.140 I went bottom-up.
00:10:51.820 And I said,
00:10:52.600 look,
00:10:53.320 the State Department
00:10:54.300 is directed
00:10:54.960 to designate
00:10:56.120 the individual
00:10:57.180 Muslim Brotherhood affiliates
00:10:59.060 that are terrorist organizations,
00:11:00.900 designate them as such.
00:11:02.980 So,
00:11:03.180 for example,
00:11:03.780 Hamas
00:11:04.240 is the Muslim Brotherhood
00:11:06.340 in Palestine.
00:11:06.940 There is zero dispute
00:11:08.660 that Hamas
00:11:09.400 is a terrorist organization.
00:11:11.820 And so,
00:11:12.400 my legislation said,
00:11:14.240 designate the individual affiliates,
00:11:15.980 whichever ones,
00:11:16.820 that there's clear
00:11:17.820 and definitive proof
00:11:18.680 they're terrorist organizations.
00:11:19.760 and then
00:11:21.480 designate
00:11:22.980 the Global Muslim Brotherhood
00:11:24.600 for material support
00:11:27.100 for those terrorist organizations
00:11:28.820 because the global organization
00:11:30.340 funds every one
00:11:31.780 of their affiliates.
00:11:32.480 And so,
00:11:32.740 it was a fundamental shift.
00:11:34.800 And at the end of the day,
00:11:36.920 I think it's unlikely
00:11:38.000 Congress will pass
00:11:39.100 my legislation
00:11:39.900 because
00:11:40.500 to pass it,
00:11:42.600 I need 60 Democrats
00:11:43.840 and I need 60 senators.
00:11:46.240 I need at least
00:11:47.220 seven Democrats.
00:11:48.140 and I think it's unlikely
00:11:50.260 we'll get seven Democrats.
00:11:51.420 I've got one.
00:11:52.220 So,
00:11:52.400 the legislation in the Senate
00:11:53.500 is Cruz Fetterman.
00:11:54.620 So,
00:11:54.820 John Fetterman has joined me.
00:11:56.480 But to get to seven
00:11:57.520 is not easy.
00:11:58.600 But I've been fighting this fight
00:12:00.160 because I want to build
00:12:01.260 the momentum
00:12:01.820 for the president
00:12:02.880 to do what he did this week.
00:12:04.240 And what he did this week
00:12:05.260 is exactly
00:12:06.600 what my legislation says,
00:12:08.260 which is
00:12:08.940 he directed
00:12:09.620 the State Department
00:12:10.420 to designate
00:12:11.200 the individual affiliates,
00:12:13.800 the lower organizations
00:12:15.220 that are clearly
00:12:16.480 terrorist organizations.
00:12:17.620 And I'll tell you,
00:12:19.360 Seb Gorka
00:12:19.980 is the head
00:12:20.880 of counterterrorism,
00:12:21.860 the National Security Council.
00:12:22.940 Seb is an old friend.
00:12:24.360 I have met with Seb
00:12:25.420 and talked at length
00:12:26.340 about making this happen.
00:12:28.060 And then,
00:12:28.580 just three weeks ago,
00:12:29.780 I was at the White House.
00:12:30.660 I was with President Trump.
00:12:32.520 It was right after
00:12:33.800 he had designated Nigeria
00:12:36.160 as a country
00:12:36.800 of particular concern
00:12:37.900 because Boko Haram
00:12:39.340 and radical Islamic terrorists
00:12:40.720 were murdering Christians.
00:12:42.860 More than 50,000 Christians
00:12:44.440 have been murdered in Nigeria.
00:12:45.500 And I've been fighting
00:12:47.200 to designate Nigeria
00:12:48.260 for a long time.
00:12:49.100 And so I told the president
00:12:50.080 right after he did that,
00:12:51.020 I said,
00:12:51.820 I said,
00:12:52.260 thank you.
00:12:53.140 Thank you.
00:12:53.820 Thank you.
00:12:54.320 Thank you for designating Nigeria.
00:12:55.960 Really big deal.
00:12:57.040 Enormously important.
00:12:58.340 And he responded to me.
00:12:59.560 He said,
00:12:59.820 great,
00:13:00.200 Ted,
00:13:00.400 happy to do it.
00:13:01.000 He said,
00:13:01.220 is there anyone else
00:13:01.840 we should designate?
00:13:02.480 What else should we do?
00:13:03.640 And I said,
00:13:04.120 the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:13:05.460 We should designate
00:13:06.780 the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:13:07.540 And he said to me
00:13:08.120 three weeks ago,
00:13:08.880 I'm happy to do it.
00:13:10.200 We'll get it done.
00:13:11.860 This week,
00:13:12.580 he got it done.
00:13:13.500 It is a big,
00:13:14.800 big,
00:13:15.480 big deal.
00:13:16.120 This is literally
00:13:16.860 10 years of hard work
00:13:18.600 and it will make America safer
00:13:20.860 because the Muslim Brotherhood
00:13:22.120 is funding terrorists
00:13:23.920 that want to murder you
00:13:24.940 and want to murder me.
00:13:26.280 Yeah,
00:13:26.480 it is.
00:13:27.040 It is not just,
00:13:28.340 as you mentioned,
00:13:28.940 a big deal.
00:13:29.540 It's a national security issue.
00:13:31.460 And there's also been
00:13:32.740 a very weird quietness
00:13:34.240 online on this.
00:13:35.080 There are some
00:13:36.280 members of the Democratic Party
00:13:39.520 that are acting
00:13:40.660 as if the Muslim Brotherhood
00:13:41.680 really shouldn't be designated
00:13:42.800 as a terrorist organization.
00:13:44.160 It might be one of the weirdest things
00:13:45.680 I've ever seen
00:13:46.300 on social media happen.
00:13:47.980 And yet here we are
00:13:48.680 witnessing it in real time
00:13:49.760 as they're like,
00:13:50.200 well,
00:13:50.320 hold on a second.
00:13:50.940 Why would we really need to do this?
00:13:52.180 I'm like,
00:13:52.420 what world are you living in?
00:13:53.520 Are you kidding me?
00:13:55.040 Well,
00:13:55.340 and many of our allies
00:13:56.960 in the Middle East
00:13:57.640 already understand the threat.
00:13:59.100 So,
00:13:59.360 for example,
00:14:00.540 the Global Muslim Brotherhood
00:14:02.140 is outlawed
00:14:03.460 as a terrorist group
00:14:04.420 by Bahrain,
00:14:06.340 by Egypt,
00:14:07.460 by Jordan,
00:14:08.860 by Saudi Arabia,
00:14:10.200 and by the UAE.
00:14:11.180 I've spoke with the governments
00:14:12.520 of those countries.
00:14:14.340 They really want
00:14:15.440 the United States
00:14:16.340 to do what President Trump
00:14:17.680 did this week,
00:14:18.300 which is designate
00:14:19.240 the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:14:21.540 Austria has also
00:14:23.060 banned the group.
00:14:24.280 Germany is considering
00:14:25.380 legislation to do the same.
00:14:27.460 French intelligence
00:14:28.280 has described
00:14:29.340 the Muslim Brotherhood
00:14:30.260 as, quote,
00:14:30.860 a threat
00:14:31.500 to national cohesion,
00:14:33.580 and the British officials
00:14:34.540 say the Muslim Brotherhood
00:14:36.160 is subject to surveillance
00:14:37.400 under Britain's
00:14:38.760 anti-extremism laws.
00:14:40.060 So there is
00:14:41.360 a growing movement
00:14:42.360 to recognize
00:14:43.340 that the Muslim Brotherhood
00:14:45.500 is funding,
00:14:47.000 is promoting terrorism,
00:14:48.840 terrorism that is trying
00:14:50.400 to kill Americans,
00:14:51.500 terrorism that is trying
00:14:52.220 to kill Europeans,
00:14:53.260 terrorism that is trying
00:14:54.040 to kill Israelis.
00:14:55.900 And designating
00:14:57.400 a group
00:14:57.840 as a terrorist organization
00:14:59.700 unleashes a host
00:15:01.840 of tools,
00:15:02.540 including sanctions
00:15:03.520 and direct military action
00:15:05.540 that we can take
00:15:06.220 against them.
00:15:06.780 And this is,
00:15:08.160 as I said,
00:15:09.380 it has been 10 years
00:15:10.960 I've been fighting
00:15:11.560 for this to happen.
00:15:13.140 I want to credit
00:15:14.320 President Trump.
00:15:15.120 Here's what the
00:15:15.720 Wall Street Journal
00:15:16.280 editorial board
00:15:17.000 wrote about it.
00:15:18.160 Wall Street Journal
00:15:18.780 editorial board
00:15:19.420 said, quote,
00:15:20.580 nearly a quarter century
00:15:21.620 after 9-11,
00:15:22.820 the U.S. has taken aim
00:15:23.860 at a leading incubator
00:15:24.960 of Islamic terrorism,
00:15:26.140 the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:15:27.700 Previous attempts
00:15:28.400 to prescribe the group,
00:15:29.600 including by the first
00:15:30.520 Trump administration,
00:15:32.100 were stymied
00:15:32.880 by the Brotherhood's
00:15:33.740 loose structure.
00:15:34.700 On Monday,
00:15:36.300 President Trump
00:15:36.900 signed an executive
00:15:37.720 order to begin
00:15:38.380 the process
00:15:38.880 of designating
00:15:39.580 the Brotherhood branches
00:15:40.540 as terrorist organizations.
00:15:43.320 Branches in Egypt,
00:15:44.400 Jordan, and Lebanon
00:15:45.140 are singled out
00:15:45.840 for a 30-day review,
00:15:47.420 though the order
00:15:48.060 isn't limited to them.
00:15:50.320 This is a big deal.
00:15:51.940 America is safer.
00:15:53.480 Thank you,
00:15:53.960 President Trump.
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00:16:24.940 All right,
00:16:27.400 so there's another
00:16:28.100 thing this week,
00:16:29.420 Senator,
00:16:29.700 and it really,
00:16:30.460 rarely do headlines
00:16:31.460 like actually,
00:16:32.740 genuinely tick me off.
00:16:34.960 I'm a cynical guy,
00:16:36.200 but there was one this week
00:16:37.900 with the New York Times
00:16:39.180 and it infuriated me.
00:16:40.320 Ben,
00:16:40.740 I'm going to call BS
00:16:41.620 on that.
00:16:42.620 I'm going to call BS
00:16:43.480 on that.
00:16:43.800 You think the New York Times
00:16:44.680 didn't irritate me this week?
00:16:46.820 Yeah,
00:16:47.120 I know you too well.
00:16:48.380 Has there been a day
00:16:51.320 in the past year
00:16:52.360 when there was not
00:16:53.600 a headline
00:16:54.120 that pissed you off?
00:16:55.280 Yes,
00:16:55.960 Easter,
00:16:56.740 Christmas,
00:16:57.440 Thanksgiving,
00:16:58.180 probably because
00:16:58.740 I'm not reading
00:16:59.260 the news then.
00:17:01.160 So the days
00:17:02.180 you don't read
00:17:02.640 the headlines,
00:17:03.120 I'm just saying,
00:17:04.000 they piss you off
00:17:04.660 every day,
00:17:05.060 but I will admit
00:17:05.660 this was particularly
00:17:07.320 infuriating.
00:17:08.420 Okay,
00:17:08.780 good.
00:17:09.100 So you're back
00:17:09.700 on my team
00:17:10.300 on this one.
00:17:10.840 I like this.
00:17:12.460 I'm always on team,
00:17:13.620 Ben.
00:17:14.120 You're always on my team.
00:17:15.460 You're a constructive
00:17:16.760 criticism teammate.
00:17:17.920 That's how I would
00:17:18.680 describe you.
00:17:19.620 So the New York Times
00:17:20.780 comes out with this
00:17:21.740 headline,
00:17:22.240 this story that's
00:17:23.160 actually supposed
00:17:23.980 to make you
00:17:24.920 as an American citizen
00:17:26.000 feel sorry
00:17:27.740 for an undocumented
00:17:29.720 worker,
00:17:30.320 they call it that,
00:17:31.020 I call it an illegal
00:17:31.980 immigrant,
00:17:32.640 that stole an
00:17:33.720 American's identity
00:17:34.980 and they say,
00:17:36.680 well,
00:17:37.040 there's two men
00:17:37.860 that paid a price
00:17:38.880 and they also refer
00:17:40.360 to the identity
00:17:41.040 as an individual,
00:17:42.760 like one,
00:17:43.360 like two become one,
00:17:44.560 like they're married.
00:17:45.720 It is the most
00:17:46.500 insane propaganda
00:17:47.520 even from the
00:17:48.460 New York Times
00:17:48.940 standard.
00:17:50.300 Well,
00:17:50.380 all across the country
00:17:51.380 there are thousands
00:17:52.300 of people who've had
00:17:53.200 their identity stolen
00:17:54.160 by illegal immigrants
00:17:55.220 and it is causing
00:17:56.720 real pain,
00:17:57.540 it's causing real chaos.
00:17:58.820 Ironically,
00:17:59.940 the New York Times
00:18:00.760 in the midst
00:18:01.240 of their propaganda
00:18:01.880 piece accidentally
00:18:03.100 reported the news
00:18:04.160 and talked about
00:18:05.620 the devastating
00:18:06.200 consequences.
00:18:07.020 Now,
00:18:07.180 of course,
00:18:07.980 what they said
00:18:08.920 is if an illegal
00:18:10.060 immigrant steals
00:18:10.940 your identity,
00:18:12.840 the illegal alien
00:18:13.640 is the victim
00:18:14.560 and not just you.
00:18:16.400 So let's just read
00:18:17.600 the beginning
00:18:17.960 of this article
00:18:18.520 because it's one
00:18:19.460 that will make
00:18:19.980 your head explode.
00:18:21.540 The title,
00:18:22.940 Two Men,
00:18:23.940 One Identity.
00:18:25.660 They both paid
00:18:26.680 the price.
00:18:28.500 Thousands of
00:18:29.100 undocumented workers
00:18:30.080 rely on fraudulent
00:18:31.100 social security numbers.
00:18:32.780 One of them
00:18:33.700 belonged to
00:18:35.260 Dan Kluver.
00:18:36.760 Dan Kluver
00:18:37.600 saw the police lights
00:18:38.580 flashing in his
00:18:39.240 rearview mirror
00:18:39.880 late last year
00:18:40.680 and eased his car
00:18:42.120 onto the shoulder
00:18:42.760 thinking there had
00:18:43.920 been some kind
00:18:44.500 of mistake.
00:18:45.560 He had spent
00:18:46.340 four decades
00:18:47.100 in rural Minnesota
00:18:48.060 without ever
00:18:48.980 getting into trouble.
00:18:50.240 He prided himself
00:18:51.420 on a life built
00:18:52.220 around dependability
00:18:53.220 and routine,
00:18:54.700 working at the
00:18:55.620 same factory
00:18:56.260 where his father
00:18:56.860 once did
00:18:57.400 and spending
00:18:57.800 his weekends
00:18:58.340 coaching baseball
00:18:59.240 and teaching
00:19:00.140 Sunday school.
00:19:01.340 He had never
00:19:02.020 fired a gun
00:19:02.720 or smoked a cigarette
00:19:04.000 or missed a payment
00:19:05.480 or had been arrested.
00:19:06.660 By the way,
00:19:07.520 I'm not sure I believe
00:19:08.600 that he's never
00:19:09.040 fired a gun.
00:19:09.660 The guy's in rural
00:19:10.300 Minnesota.
00:19:11.020 That sounds like
00:19:12.140 a New York Times
00:19:12.840 BS statement.
00:19:15.080 But leave that
00:19:16.340 as his side.
00:19:17.600 Quote,
00:19:18.620 License and registration
00:19:19.660 please,
00:19:20.300 the officer said.
00:19:21.440 Kluver, 42,
00:19:22.960 handed them over
00:19:23.720 and waited
00:19:24.300 while the officer
00:19:25.060 went back
00:19:25.600 to his patrol car.
00:19:27.120 He listened
00:19:27.680 to the church bells
00:19:28.480 that rang every hour
00:19:29.540 and watched the sunlight
00:19:30.520 reflect off the grain silos
00:19:32.160 in downtown Olivia
00:19:33.700 where he knew
00:19:34.520 most of the 2,400 residents
00:19:36.620 including the officers
00:19:38.260 walking back
00:19:38.880 to his car.
00:19:40.200 Is everything all right?
00:19:41.500 Kluver asked.
00:19:43.120 It's strange
00:19:43.860 but it looks like
00:19:44.900 your license
00:19:45.420 has been suspended.
00:19:47.040 You've got another
00:19:47.700 driver's license
00:19:48.540 with some issues
00:19:50.380 down in Missouri.
00:19:52.160 What?
00:19:53.200 Kluver said.
00:19:53.780 I've barely ever
00:19:54.500 been to Missouri.
00:19:55.760 How is that possible?
00:19:57.600 The officer
00:19:58.360 had no answers
00:19:59.120 but Kluver feared
00:20:00.040 he might know
00:20:00.640 what was happening.
00:20:02.160 Over the years
00:20:02.860 there had been signs
00:20:03.740 that something
00:20:04.240 wasn't right.
00:20:05.480 Stray letters
00:20:06.020 about wages earned
00:20:07.140 in unfamiliar towns
00:20:08.320 and collection notices
00:20:09.880 for debt
00:20:10.480 that wasn't his.
00:20:12.440 Kluver had tried
00:20:13.140 to untangle
00:20:13.820 the mess several times
00:20:14.880 by hiring tax specialists
00:20:16.140 and driving to government
00:20:17.760 offices across the state
00:20:19.100 only to run into
00:20:20.440 the same bureaucratic
00:20:21.540 debt ends.
00:20:22.140 But now the problem
00:20:23.660 was bigger
00:20:24.140 than unpaid taxes.
00:20:26.120 Somebody was impersonating him
00:20:27.900 moving through the world
00:20:29.000 as Dan Kluver
00:20:29.760 building a life
00:20:30.760 in his name
00:20:32.540 with a government
00:20:33.280 issued ID.
00:20:34.800 His problem
00:20:35.520 was one version
00:20:36.200 of a problem
00:20:36.700 that's been spreading
00:20:37.340 across the country
00:20:38.060 for years.
00:20:38.680 The government
00:20:39.780 estimates that
00:20:40.540 as many as
00:20:41.100 one million
00:20:42.540 undocumented workers
00:20:43.740 are using fraudulent
00:20:44.780 or stolen
00:20:45.300 social security numbers.
00:20:46.480 Let me repeat that.
00:20:47.900 The government
00:20:48.420 estimates that
00:20:49.860 as many as
00:20:50.500 one million
00:20:51.760 undocumented workers
00:20:52.980 are using
00:20:54.020 fraudulent
00:20:54.560 or stolen
00:20:55.280 social security numbers.
00:20:57.000 A survival tactic
00:20:58.240 of course
00:20:58.580 a survivor tactic
00:20:59.280 they're just stealing
00:20:59.920 because they want to survive
00:21:00.760 used to pass
00:21:02.340 background checks
00:21:03.240 and get jobs.
00:21:04.940 The numbers
00:21:05.400 are skimmed
00:21:05.900 from data breach
00:21:06.580 sold in the black market
00:21:07.880 online for as
00:21:08.620 little as $150
00:21:09.460 or handed out
00:21:11.240 in border towns
00:21:12.120 by human smugglers.
00:21:14.180 Many numbers
00:21:14.760 connect back
00:21:15.380 to U.S. citizen children
00:21:16.580 dead people
00:21:17.740 or Puerto Ricans
00:21:19.380 whose numbers
00:21:19.920 circulate easily
00:21:20.800 across the mainland
00:21:21.600 but thousands
00:21:23.140 of others
00:21:23.620 belong to people
00:21:24.580 like Kluver
00:21:25.200 Americans
00:21:25.920 whose names
00:21:26.880 and identities
00:21:27.520 are no longer
00:21:29.140 theirs alone.
00:21:30.760 The police officer
00:21:31.920 sent Kluver home
00:21:32.740 with a warning
00:21:33.280 and he sifted
00:21:34.560 through file cabinets
00:21:35.440 with his wife Christy
00:21:36.460 searching for clues
00:21:37.560 about the other
00:21:39.340 Dan Kluver.
00:21:41.120 His social security
00:21:42.220 card was safely
00:21:42.980 locked away
00:21:43.540 alongside birth certificates
00:21:44.740 for their three children.
00:21:46.680 He'd never been robbed
00:21:47.580 or even lost his wallet
00:21:48.700 but there was his number
00:21:50.500 printed on a W-2
00:21:51.940 from a leather factory
00:21:53.400 in a town
00:21:53.940 he never visited.
00:21:55.260 He traced 15 years
00:21:56.960 of records
00:21:57.460 and found more tax documents
00:21:58.900 listing unfamiliar jobs.
00:22:00.940 At a cement plant
00:22:02.100 in Kansas
00:22:02.680 a paper mill
00:22:03.400 in Tennessee
00:22:03.900 a construction company
00:22:05.460 in Ohio
00:22:05.920 a cereal factory
00:22:07.900 in Nebraska
00:22:08.520 and a dog food plant
00:22:10.140 in Missouri.
00:22:11.520 How do you think
00:22:12.040 you've been getting
00:22:12.580 between all these places?
00:22:13.820 Christy asked.
00:22:14.460 It's eerie.
00:22:15.660 It's like I've lost
00:22:16.860 all control
00:22:18.320 over who I am
00:22:19.240 Kluver said.
00:22:20.480 Some years
00:22:21.140 the other Dan Kluver
00:22:22.220 had earned
00:22:23.360 more than his own salary
00:22:25.100 at a local
00:22:26.540 sugar beet factory
00:22:27.560 which pushed
00:22:28.520 the total income
00:22:29.340 under a social security
00:22:30.280 number
00:22:30.640 into a higher tax bracket
00:22:32.560 as the debt
00:22:33.720 started to mount.
00:22:35.340 Twice
00:22:35.700 he'd contacted
00:22:36.320 law enforcement
00:22:36.980 and filed
00:22:37.400 an identity theft
00:22:38.140 report with the
00:22:38.760 federal government.
00:22:40.000 He waited for relief
00:22:40.980 while the IRS
00:22:41.720 docked his annual
00:22:42.720 tax returns
00:22:43.460 and garnished
00:22:44.160 a few of his paychecks
00:22:45.700 costing him thousands.
00:22:48.020 Finally
00:22:48.400 a few months
00:22:48.940 before their wedding
00:22:49.640 in 2012
00:22:50.320 Christy decided
00:22:51.680 to pay off the balance
00:22:52.800 emptying her savings
00:22:54.040 and sending
00:22:54.580 a check for $6,000.
00:22:57.340 Their relief
00:22:58.000 lasted until
00:22:58.660 the next tax season
00:22:59.740 when a new bill
00:23:00.880 arrived
00:23:01.420 this one
00:23:02.500 for $22,000.
00:23:04.960 They spent
00:23:05.860 the next decade
00:23:06.780 living with
00:23:07.260 the consequences
00:23:07.960 annual tax audits
00:23:09.860 budgets that
00:23:10.600 never added up
00:23:11.500 whispered arguments
00:23:13.340 after the kids
00:23:14.060 went to bed.
00:23:14.760 Kluver kept
00:23:15.200 calling government
00:23:15.920 numbers and waiting
00:23:16.820 on hold
00:23:17.740 until he eventually
00:23:18.500 resigned himself
00:23:19.540 to a payment plan.
00:23:21.240 He agreed
00:23:21.640 to send the IRS
00:23:22.500 $150 each month
00:23:24.280 which he'd done
00:23:25.480 more than 35 times.
00:23:27.940 I can't keep
00:23:28.660 obsessing over
00:23:29.440 this and getting
00:23:29.980 nowhere
00:23:30.380 he told Christy
00:23:31.340 I need to
00:23:32.480 think about
00:23:32.940 something else.
00:23:34.500 That
00:23:34.940 is going on
00:23:36.820 and yet
00:23:37.860 the New York
00:23:38.720 Times
00:23:39.200 at the same
00:23:39.840 time
00:23:40.380 described
00:23:41.720 the person
00:23:43.240 who'd stolen
00:23:43.720 his identity.
00:23:44.980 He had lived
00:23:45.680 under enough
00:23:46.220 names and numbers
00:23:46.920 in the United States
00:23:47.760 that they started
00:23:48.860 to blur together.
00:23:50.720 Vincent Trujillo
00:23:51.780 Reynaldo Guerra
00:23:53.380 and then
00:23:54.720 for more than a decade
00:23:55.620 Daniel Kluver
00:23:56.360 the name he'd used
00:23:57.320 until he could
00:23:57.780 barely remember
00:23:58.400 what it felt
00:23:58.880 like to exist
00:23:59.620 as himself.
00:24:01.200 Romeo Perez
00:24:02.240 Bravo
00:24:02.800 42
00:24:03.580 a Guatemalan
00:24:05.120 immigrant who
00:24:05.720 has spent
00:24:06.060 most of his
00:24:06.600 adult life
00:24:07.120 working under
00:24:07.700 borrowed identities
00:24:09.020 borrowed being
00:24:09.740 the fake name
00:24:11.280 for stolen.
00:24:12.640 By the start
00:24:13.120 of 2025
00:24:13.740 he was preparing
00:24:14.560 for another
00:24:14.980 graveyard shift
00:24:15.820 in St.
00:24:16.300 Joseph Missouri
00:24:17.000 lacing his
00:24:18.160 work boots
00:24:18.620 in the darkness
00:24:19.200 and his drafty
00:24:20.340 rental while his
00:24:20.960 wife and five
00:24:21.520 children slept.
00:24:22.840 He packed
00:24:23.280 their school
00:24:23.680 lunches the next
00:24:24.440 day drove to
00:24:25.120 the dog food
00:24:25.660 factory and
00:24:26.220 gathered with
00:24:26.740 his co-workers
00:24:27.340 to say their
00:24:27.880 nightly prayer.
00:24:29.080 Then he swiped
00:24:29.820 his badge to
00:24:30.400 begin another
00:24:31.180 12-hour shift
00:24:32.100 as Daniel Kluver
00:24:33.020 sinking deeper
00:24:34.060 into an identity
00:24:35.760 that wasn't
00:24:36.380 really his own.
00:24:38.000 Daniel his
00:24:38.820 boss always
00:24:39.400 shouted taking
00:24:40.000 attendance before
00:24:40.720 they went to
00:24:41.140 their lines.
00:24:42.380 Here he said
00:24:43.140 Perez Bravo
00:24:44.800 had come to
00:24:45.300 the United States
00:24:45.940 for the first
00:24:46.420 time at 16
00:24:47.180 to help earn
00:24:47.760 money for his
00:24:48.300 family traveling
00:24:49.060 alone to join
00:24:49.860 his father
00:24:50.340 in Marshall
00:24:51.380 Minnesota.
00:24:52.400 He hiked
00:24:53.120 out of the
00:24:53.520 Guatemalan
00:24:54.000 highlands
00:24:54.480 rode atop
00:24:55.160 a freight
00:24:55.480 train for
00:24:55.900 three weeks
00:24:56.360 across Mexico
00:24:57.120 nearly drowned
00:24:58.460 in the Rio Grande
00:24:59.240 and took a
00:25:00.280 greyhound to
00:25:00.880 middle America
00:25:01.500 where life
00:25:02.400 somehow felt
00:25:03.080 harder.
00:25:04.120 He slept on
00:25:04.620 a couch in
00:25:05.120 his father's
00:25:05.540 apartment and
00:25:06.060 enrolled in
00:25:06.600 high school
00:25:07.020 despite speaking
00:25:07.920 almost no
00:25:08.820 English.
00:25:09.920 Then he began
00:25:10.460 to look for a
00:25:11.120 job but no
00:25:11.740 one would hire
00:25:12.440 an underage
00:25:13.100 worker without
00:25:13.700 papers.
00:25:14.940 The entire
00:25:15.560 story goes on
00:25:16.460 to say this
00:25:17.860 guy who has
00:25:18.960 stolen the
00:25:19.640 identity of a
00:25:20.600 poor working
00:25:21.760 man in
00:25:22.200 Minnesota he's
00:25:23.580 the victim.
00:25:24.480 Despite the
00:25:25.600 fact that
00:25:26.200 Daniel Kluver
00:25:27.340 the real
00:25:27.700 Daniel Kluver
00:25:28.400 is paying
00:25:29.700 IRS debts
00:25:30.680 his credit
00:25:31.320 has been
00:25:31.740 ruined it
00:25:32.780 has been a
00:25:33.320 nightmare for
00:25:33.980 him and yet
00:25:34.420 for the New
00:25:34.880 York Times
00:25:35.460 they say it's
00:25:36.020 one identity
00:25:36.900 this this this
00:25:37.700 the poor guy
00:25:38.800 that stole his
00:25:39.580 identity is
00:25:40.280 really the
00:25:40.900 victim.
00:25:41.660 It is an
00:25:42.560 infuriating
00:25:43.500 example of
00:25:44.400 propaganda and
00:25:45.100 let me go
00:25:45.380 back to the
00:25:45.880 stat that I
00:25:46.440 read more
00:25:48.300 than one
00:25:49.120 million illegal
00:25:50.120 immigrants have
00:25:50.840 stolen identities
00:25:52.380 of Americans and
00:25:54.240 Americans are
00:25:54.860 hurting all over
00:25:55.420 the country and
00:25:55.940 the New York
00:25:56.280 Times is saying
00:25:57.180 you too should
00:25:58.900 have your
00:25:59.260 identity stolen
00:25:59.980 you too should
00:26:00.800 pay the price
00:26:01.480 you too should
00:26:02.640 pay IRS bills
00:26:03.620 that you don't
00:26:04.280 know because an
00:26:05.600 illegal immigrant
00:26:06.220 stole stole your
00:26:07.340 identity and by
00:26:08.120 the way that
00:26:09.780 illegal immigrants
00:26:10.520 the victim not
00:26:11.320 you.
00:26:12.620 Senator finally on
00:26:14.100 the show let's
00:26:15.000 deal with a
00:26:15.980 major problem it's
00:26:17.500 it's huge a
00:26:19.020 university is now
00:26:20.280 warning of a
00:26:21.680 quote-unquote
00:26:22.480 whiteness
00:26:24.280 pandemic not a
00:26:25.680 problem but a
00:26:26.300 pandemic a
00:26:27.320 whiteness
00:26:28.080 pandemic this
00:26:29.480 coming from the
00:26:30.300 University of
00:26:31.340 Minnesota I'll
00:26:32.340 let you take it
00:26:32.960 from there.
00:26:34.600 Yeah I gotta say
00:26:35.680 this is gonna
00:26:36.160 piss you off are
00:26:37.520 you white then
00:26:38.740 apparently you are
00:26:39.840 an evil noxious
00:26:41.200 scourge on
00:26:41.980 America you are a
00:26:42.900 pandemic you are a
00:26:44.000 virus you are a
00:26:44.920 disease and woke
00:26:46.780 leftists are gonna
00:26:48.100 re-educate the
00:26:49.060 whiteness right out
00:26:49.860 of you like I
00:26:51.280 wish I were
00:26:52.100 making this up
00:26:52.840 like when I say
00:26:53.480 these words you
00:26:55.500 you you sound like
00:26:56.760 a lunatic you
00:26:57.440 sound like you're
00:26:58.140 wearing like a
00:26:58.860 tinfoil hat and
00:27:00.300 you believe in
00:27:01.100 conspiracy theories
00:27:01.980 but I want you I
00:27:03.380 want to read to
00:27:04.160 you from a
00:27:05.600 website from the
00:27:06.540 University of
00:27:07.100 Minnesota by the
00:27:07.900 way this is a
00:27:08.420 state website this
00:27:09.360 is all right here
00:27:10.520 here's what the
00:27:11.180 website says quote
00:27:12.400 what is the
00:27:14.480 whiteness
00:27:14.980 pandemic racism is
00:27:17.320 an epidemic that
00:27:18.480 can also be
00:27:19.080 considered a
00:27:19.640 pandemic given
00:27:20.960 its large
00:27:21.620 cross-national
00:27:22.320 proportion and
00:27:23.140 spread however
00:27:24.620 there is another
00:27:25.580 pandemic lurking
00:27:26.560 behind and
00:27:27.200 driving the
00:27:27.880 racist pandemic
00:27:28.720 the whiteness
00:27:30.460 pandemic
00:27:31.260 whiteness refers
00:27:32.900 to culture not
00:27:33.720 biology the
00:27:34.840 centuries-old
00:27:35.600 culture of
00:27:36.260 whiteness features
00:27:37.560 colorblindness in
00:27:38.600 other words not
00:27:39.060 being a racist that
00:27:40.100 is the whiteness
00:27:40.740 pandemic passivity
00:27:42.520 and white fragility
00:27:44.580 were all covert
00:27:46.360 expressions of
00:27:47.180 racism common in
00:27:48.340 the United States
00:27:49.180 naming the
00:27:50.640 whiteness pandemic
00:27:51.520 shifts our gaze
00:27:52.580 from the victims
00:27:53.360 and effects of
00:27:54.040 racism onto the
00:27:55.580 systems that
00:27:56.260 perpetrate and
00:27:56.980 perpetuate racism
00:27:58.080 starting with the
00:27:59.380 family system in
00:28:00.380 other words families
00:28:01.720 are racist if you
00:28:02.900 believe in families
00:28:03.640 if you believe in
00:28:04.240 a mom and dad
00:28:05.040 raising kids loving
00:28:05.980 kids that is the
00:28:07.540 family system is
00:28:09.040 part of the
00:28:09.780 whiteness pandemic
00:28:11.000 at birth young
00:28:13.600 children growing up
00:28:14.740 in white families
00:28:15.900 begin to be
00:28:16.560 socialized into the
00:28:17.600 culture of
00:28:18.660 whiteness making
00:28:19.960 the family system
00:28:21.020 one of the most
00:28:21.660 powerful systems
00:28:22.940 involved in
00:28:24.160 systemic racism
00:28:25.320 that this is open
00:28:26.480 we hate families is
00:28:27.840 what the University
00:28:28.420 of Minnesota is
00:28:29.060 saying and and
00:28:30.700 okay what's the
00:28:31.980 next section
00:28:32.520 quote how do we
00:28:34.860 halt and reverse
00:28:36.620 the whiteness
00:28:37.680 pandemic if you
00:28:39.540 were born and
00:28:40.160 raised in the
00:28:40.720 United States you
00:28:41.760 have grown up in
00:28:43.380 the whiteness
00:28:43.960 pandemic and you
00:28:45.280 can play a role in
00:28:46.220 halting or reversing
00:28:47.500 this pandemic
00:28:48.180 especially if you
00:28:49.800 are white because
00:28:50.500 of the power and
00:28:51.360 privilege you hold in
00:28:52.900 this racialized
00:28:53.760 society if you were
00:28:55.580 socialized into the
00:28:56.620 culture of whiteness
00:28:57.520 during your
00:28:57.940 childhood it is not
00:28:59.520 your fault but as
00:29:00.800 an adult it is now
00:29:01.960 your responsibility to
00:29:03.900 self-reflect to
00:29:05.040 re-educate yourself
00:29:06.480 and act if you are a
00:29:09.280 white adult anti-racist
00:29:11.560 action involves an
00:29:12.660 ongoing process of
00:29:13.880 self-reflection in
00:29:15.540 order to develop a
00:29:16.580 healthy positive white
00:29:17.900 identity while
00:29:19.160 encouraging courageous
00:29:20.640 anti-racist parenting
00:29:23.100 slash caregiving
00:29:24.900 what utter and
00:29:26.840 complete garbage what
00:29:28.800 racist leftist
00:29:30.220 communist dreck and
00:29:32.260 and this is the
00:29:33.080 University of
00:29:33.600 Minnesota by the
00:29:34.260 way look there are
00:29:36.340 like great people in
00:29:37.660 Minnesota they're
00:29:39.060 great people in
00:29:39.720 every state and yet
00:29:40.700 these people are
00:29:42.000 racist radicals and
00:29:44.760 this is what they're
00:29:45.980 indoctrinating our
00:29:47.160 children with not only
00:29:48.500 the indoctrinary
00:29:49.080 children but this is
00:29:50.140 where a lot of our
00:29:50.780 dollars or tax dollars
00:29:52.080 go which is the other
00:29:52.940 frustrating part that
00:29:53.880 this is what they're
00:29:54.620 indoctrinating them with
00:29:55.900 undoubtedly and and
00:29:57.920 and by the way our
00:29:59.620 podcast on Monday so
00:30:01.020 we do this podcast three
00:30:02.120 days a week Monday
00:30:02.860 Wednesday and Friday
00:30:03.580 our podcast on Monday
00:30:04.680 talked about what is
00:30:07.740 the number one
00:30:10.080 funder of Al-Shabaab
00:30:14.020 the radical Islamic
00:30:16.380 terrorist group and
00:30:18.440 the answer terrifyingly
00:30:19.720 enough is the
00:30:20.460 taxpayers of the state
00:30:21.600 of Minnesota so
00:30:22.840 Minnesota has a huge
00:30:24.480 Somali community
00:30:25.620 Somalis have invaded the
00:30:27.840 state of Minnesota
00:30:28.440 it's how you elect
00:30:29.220 Ilhan Omar who
00:30:30.240 who actively is
00:30:32.220 anti-American racist
00:30:34.140 radical embraces and
00:30:36.980 supports radical
00:30:38.020 Islamic terrorists
00:30:39.060 and the Somali
00:30:41.500 community sends
00:30:42.640 billions every year
00:30:44.720 back to Somalia and
00:30:47.820 millions of the that
00:30:49.820 money sent back ends
00:30:51.180 up directly in the
00:30:52.360 pockets in the
00:30:53.080 coffers of Al-Shabaab
00:30:54.880 and and it is the
00:30:55.760 Minnesota state
00:30:56.520 taxpayers so we
00:30:58.040 detailed this on
00:30:59.260 Monday how
00:31:00.340 welfare fraud
00:31:03.060 fraudulent
00:31:04.440 collection of
00:31:05.180 welfare payments
00:31:06.140 an entire welfare
00:31:08.080 system set up
00:31:09.300 seemingly on the
00:31:11.000 face of it to
00:31:11.780 encourage fraud to
00:31:12.780 facilitate fraud
00:31:13.760 is resulting in
00:31:15.820 Minnesota taxpayers
00:31:17.020 sending millions of
00:31:18.240 dollars to radical
00:31:19.040 Islamic terrorists
00:31:19.940 this is the same
00:31:22.020 ideology like
00:31:23.940 what do you do
00:31:26.840 if you happen to
00:31:28.720 be a white kid at
00:31:29.520 the University of
00:31:30.160 Minnesota you show
00:31:31.060 up and be told
00:31:32.740 by the way you're
00:31:33.980 just you know you're
00:31:34.980 a 17 18 year old
00:31:36.700 kid you show up as a
00:31:37.520 freshman and and if
00:31:39.320 you're white you're
00:31:40.040 told you're a
00:31:40.940 pandemic you're a
00:31:42.120 virus and the only
00:31:43.840 answer is re-educate
00:31:45.540 yourself because who
00:31:47.980 you are who America
00:31:49.920 is and understand this
00:31:51.260 screed against quote
00:31:52.300 anti-whiteness is also
00:31:54.560 a screed against
00:31:55.280 America that these
00:31:56.620 Marxists hate the
00:31:58.580 United States of
00:31:59.320 America they hate the
00:32:00.020 Constitution they hate
00:32:00.860 our freedoms and and
00:32:02.280 and this garbage that
00:32:03.880 is anti-racism this
00:32:05.120 garbage that is DEI
00:32:06.520 this garbage that says
00:32:08.220 we must institutionalize
00:32:09.800 by the way the fix for
00:32:11.580 the anti for the
00:32:13.640 whiteness pandemic is
00:32:15.280 to discriminate against
00:32:16.460 anyone who is white is
00:32:17.740 to institutionalize
00:32:19.100 racism and that is
00:32:20.600 grotesque it is wrong
00:32:21.920 it is contrary to the
00:32:23.900 14th amendment of the
00:32:24.880 Constitution which
00:32:25.680 protects provides the
00:32:27.400 equal protection of the
00:32:28.820 law to all people
00:32:29.980 regardless of race it
00:32:32.040 it is contrary to the
00:32:33.200 founding notions of
00:32:34.060 this country the the
00:32:35.120 declaration said we
00:32:37.180 hold these truths to be
00:32:38.060 self-evident that all
00:32:39.620 men are created equal
00:32:40.980 not some not just white
00:32:42.960 people not just black
00:32:43.800 people not anyone all
00:32:45.200 men and all women are
00:32:46.460 created equal that they
00:32:47.400 are endowed by their
00:32:48.380 creator with certain
00:32:49.240 unalienable rights that
00:32:50.680 among them are life
00:32:51.900 liberty and the pursuit of
00:32:52.780 happiness that's what this
00:32:53.900 country was built on and
00:32:55.660 these Marxists who have
00:32:56.880 taken over our
00:32:57.580 institutions hate that
00:32:59.760 notion and this kind of
00:33:01.920 garbage is being spewed to
00:33:04.240 our children and being
00:33:05.340 used to brainwash our
00:33:06.660 children at a massive
00:33:08.980 rate I tell this all the
00:33:10.560 time to parents when they
00:33:11.380 ask be careful where you
00:33:12.500 send your kids to college
00:33:13.940 because they could be
00:33:15.020 indoctrinated to literally
00:33:16.000 hate this country this is
00:33:18.080 another example and to
00:33:19.860 hate you exactly to hate
00:33:21.160 their mom and dad yeah but
00:33:22.620 by the way what I just
00:33:24.140 read the family system they
00:33:26.080 are attacking families
00:33:27.480 they're telling your kids
00:33:29.320 family is evil that's what
00:33:32.020 Marxists believe yeah amen
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00:34:02.340 Ferguson it's been a
00:34:03.400 pleasure to be with you be
00:34:04.700 safe out there on the
00:34:05.780 roads with this
00:34:06.500 Thanksgiving holiday
00:34:07.300 weekend and we'll see you
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00:34:11.340 is an I heart podcast
00:34:12.560 guaranteed human
00:34:14.640 yeah
00:34:18.000 you
00:34:20.020 so
00:34:22.560 you
00:34:24.620 yeah
00:34:28.540 you
00:34:29.520 you
00:34:31.380 you
00:34:32.060 you
00:34:33.640 you
00:34:39.400 you
00:34:41.280 you