Verdict with Ted Cruz - Outrage： Biden Admin Tells 9⧸11 Families They're Considering Taking Death Penalty Off the Table for KSM, the Planner of 9⧸11

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00:00:05.340 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.360 And this show that we are going to do tonight is one that I hope you will really pay attention to

00:00:16.100 and help us explain to the rest of the world what is about to happen.

00:00:21.780 And it deals with 9-11 in a shock that came out.

00:00:26.360 And it was just a Pentagon email or a letter that went to the families from 9-11 who lost loved ones during that attack.

00:00:35.920 And the suspected mastermind of 9-11 attacks, as well as four other defendants,

00:00:41.200 apparently they could all escape the death penalty under a, quote, new plea deal where they would plead guilty

00:00:47.900 and then it would save their lives literally.

00:00:51.640 Now, there are a lot of people that have direct connection to 9-11 that are beyond furious over this.

00:00:57.880 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the mastermind behind 9-11. 0.99

00:01:01.900 He was the CEO of this 9-11 attack.

00:01:04.840 He was the one that came up with it with Osama bin Laden. 0.89

00:01:08.560 He had in his writings before we caught him and had said publicly that his goal was to kill as many Americans as possible.

00:01:14.660 And he wanted to have mass mass casualties, not just on 9-11, but after 9-11.

00:01:20.820 He also was planning other attacks as well.

00:01:23.880 That suspected mastermind now would be, in essence, given a deal.

00:01:26.860 Now, Senator, I think the pullback, the curtain here, you and I talked about this,

00:01:31.700 is the fact that this seems to be the department, the Pentagon and the Biden administration saying,

00:01:37.920 no one wants these people, they're too dangerous, these five men, including the mastermind of 9-11.

00:01:44.760 So we want to close down Gitmo, and the way we could close it down is giving these five defendants a plea deal

00:01:52.720 so we can wrap up Guantanamo Bay and say, look, we closed this thing down, aren't we great people?

00:02:00.320 That is the most, I think, disgusting part of this deal is it's just for a political purpose for them.

00:02:06.460 This story is absolutely outrageous, and I think everyone hearing it should be shocked and should be furious.

00:02:16.080 On September 11th, deranged radical Islamic terrorists carried out the worst terrorist attack

00:02:25.320 in the history of the United States of America.

00:02:28.160 They murdered 2,977 innocent people.

00:02:34.220 It was horrific.

00:02:36.860 It was an act of war.

00:02:38.840 It was an act of war that was planned and executed to attempt to cripple the United States. 0.88

00:02:51.000 Every one of us who was alive and an adult at the time remembers where they were on September 11th,

00:03:00.220 remembers where they were when they saw the image of the first plane hitting the first tower

00:03:05.240 in New York City, and then the second plane hitting the second tower in New York City.

00:03:11.900 You remember where you were when the plane flew into the Pentagon,

00:03:15.860 and you remember where they were when the brave heroes took the plane down

00:03:21.940 over that hallowed field in Pennsylvania.

00:03:27.280 Yesterday, the Biden administration sent letters to the families of the victims

00:03:35.000 of the nearly 3,000 people murdered that day,

00:03:38.800 saying, by the way, the guy who planned it,

00:03:41.940 the guy who was the mastermind behind it,

00:03:43.920 the guy who plotted it,

00:03:45.700 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:03:46.680 and four others who were active participants in the worst act of terrorism in U.S. history,

00:03:53.680 we may not seek the death penalty for them.

00:03:56.560 If you don't seek the death penalty

00:03:58.740 for murdering nearly 3,000 people in an act of war,

00:04:03.640 then what the hell do you seek the death penalty for?

00:04:07.500 It is outrageous, 0.95

00:04:09.480 and it's infuriating.

00:04:11.020 You look at these charges,

00:04:13.880 and I go to just to remind people of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:04:18.220 this is an individual that worked hand-in-hand with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

00:04:23.120 He was the leader of al-Qaeda's propaganda operations,

00:04:27.020 and that was really recruitment.

00:04:28.920 He needed to recruit soldiers for jihad. 0.59

00:04:31.900 He was in charge and was incredibly successful

00:04:35.460 at the propaganda that brought people in,

00:04:38.740 especially in the Middle East from different countries,

00:04:41.020 into al-Qaeda.

00:04:42.680 He did that so well from 1999 to 2001

00:04:45.920 that some described him as the number one recruiter of terrorists in the world.

00:04:52.240 When we captured him,

00:04:54.680 just so people remember,

00:04:56.060 in 2003,

00:04:57.520 there were several countries that wanted him

00:05:00.160 because they wanted to kill him.

00:05:02.120 And what we did is we wanted intel out of him

00:05:04.680 because he knew about the entire operations

00:05:06.680 and he could lead us to Osama bin Laden.

00:05:08.640 When we interrogated him in March 2007,

00:05:11.800 he finally confessed to what we already knew.

00:05:16.280 He was the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks. 0.80

00:05:18.960 The Richard Reed shoe bombing attempt to blow up an airliner,

00:05:22.360 he was also the mastermind of that.

00:05:24.240 The Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia,

00:05:27.280 he was involved in that.

00:05:28.480 The 1993 World Trade Center bombings,

00:05:31.840 the murder of Daniel Pearl,

00:05:34.620 the Wall Street Journal reporter,

00:05:36.320 and various other foiled attacks,

00:05:39.020 as well as numerous other crimes,

00:05:41.480 he was involved with.

00:05:42.800 It wasn't just 9-11.

00:05:45.880 And that's why,

00:05:47.580 clearly, 1.00

00:05:48.000 he deserves a death penalty. 0.99

00:05:49.960 What he was charged with was first-degree murder, 0.99

00:05:52.540 2,977 counts,

00:05:55.500 for everyone that died on 9-11,

00:05:57.680 attacking civilians,

00:05:59.480 he was charged without attacking civilian objects,

00:06:02.340 intentionally causing serious bodily injury,

00:06:05.960 murder in the violation of the law of war,

00:06:08.820 destruction of property in violation of the law of war,

00:06:11.200 hijacking or hazarding a vessel or aircraft.

00:06:15.180 Then he was charged with multiple counts of terrorism.

00:06:17.920 And then all of the other things I just listed,

00:06:20.200 why would anyone at the Pentagon,

00:06:23.560 unless it's political pressure from this White House,

00:06:26.180 because the White House,

00:06:26.900 to be clear,

00:06:27.680 Senator,

00:06:27.960 could stop this,

00:06:28.780 right?

00:06:28.980 They could step in here and say,

00:06:30.260 no,

00:06:30.660 you're not going to do this,

00:06:31.960 right?

00:06:32.160 You're not going to let this guy live

00:06:33.640 and let him plead guilty.

00:06:35.540 So I think it's two things.

00:06:37.500 One,

00:06:38.020 I think,

00:06:38.660 when it comes to criminal law,

00:06:41.700 this administration is populated by left-wing ideologues.

00:06:46.380 And in the entire time Joe Biden has been president,

00:06:53.180 the Department of Justice has not authorized

00:06:55.760 a single new death penalty prosecution

00:06:58.820 under Merrick Garland.

00:07:01.060 They've halted death penalty prosecutions.

00:07:04.160 And in fact,

00:07:06.100 Joe Biden campaigned on ending the federal death penalty.

00:07:10.580 His criminal justice platform included a pledge

00:07:12.900 laid out on his campaign website that said,

00:07:15.660 quote,

00:07:16.400 to work to pass legislation to eliminate the death penalty

00:07:19.160 at the federal level

00:07:19.960 and incentivize states to follow the federal government's example.

00:07:24.120 And he said,

00:07:24.600 those convicted of the most egregious federal crimes,

00:07:27.000 quote,

00:07:27.760 should serve instead,

00:07:29.140 should instead serve life sentences

00:07:30.780 without probation or,

00:07:32.700 or,

00:07:33.300 or parole.

00:07:34.860 And,

00:07:35.320 and since Merrick Garland took office,

00:07:37.400 he has not sought the death penalty.

00:07:40.720 And,

00:07:40.880 and by the way,

00:07:41.900 that includes the deranged murderer in El Paso 0.97

00:07:46.780 that went into the Walmart seeking to murder Hispanics 0.95

00:07:50.140 on a blatant racist hate crime.

00:07:54.460 And the Biden Department of Justice did not seek the death penalty there.

00:07:58.760 Instead,

00:07:59.200 he was sentenced to 90 life sentences.

00:08:01.380 He might be executed by the state of Texas.

00:08:03.560 And in fact,

00:08:04.220 I have every confidence that the state of Texas

00:08:06.360 is going to prosecute that monster

00:08:08.900 and carry out capital punishment on him. 0.59

00:08:12.720 But the feds,

00:08:13.840 the feds, 0.73

00:08:14.620 you commit a horrible racist hate crime 0.99

00:08:17.140 and mass murder. 0.91

00:08:18.920 The Biden DOJ,

00:08:20.500 they won't consider the death penalty.

00:08:23.200 And,

00:08:23.380 and when you're talking about terrorism,

00:08:26.300 it is,

00:08:26.880 it is,

00:08:27.380 this is the worst act of terrorism in U.S. history.

00:08:33.280 And yet,

00:08:34.480 these left-wing ideologues,

00:08:37.260 they don't want to hold the mastermind of murdering nearly 3,000 Americans

00:08:42.320 accountable.

00:08:44.260 It is,

00:08:45.160 it is so profoundly disrespectful,

00:08:48.280 not just to the families of the victims,

00:08:50.160 not just to the Americans who were murdered that day,

00:08:52.200 but,

00:08:52.780 but to everyone in this country.

00:08:54.580 This was an act of war against America.

00:08:58.220 And, 1.00

00:08:58.340 and these bastards don't give a damn. 1.00

00:09:02.200 The other part that I think is so shocking about this, 1.00

00:09:04.580 Senator,

00:09:04.840 is the fact that you have a man like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:09:08.420 He,

00:09:08.780 we know for a fact,

00:09:09.700 he traveled the Philippines back in 1994.

00:09:12.540 We were trying to,

00:09:13.400 by the way,

00:09:13.680 get him after this.

00:09:14.760 The United States government was,

00:09:16.320 he worked with his nephew,

00:09:17.700 another terrorist that you'll know his name,

00:09:19.960 Ramzi Yusuf,

00:09:21.580 on a massive plot to destroy 12 commercial airliners,

00:09:26.180 flying routes between the United States of America,

00:09:28.620 East Asia,

00:09:29.280 and Southeast Asia.

00:09:30.960 The 9-11 Commission report says,

00:09:32.940 this marked the first time that KSM,

00:09:35.060 that's what he's known as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:09:36.940 took part in the actual planning of a terrorist operation.

00:09:39.520 This was back in 1994.

00:09:42.720 The United States 9-11 Commission also said,

00:09:47.160 by his own accounts,

00:09:48.760 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:09:50.180 his animus towards the United States,

00:09:52.200 stemmed not from his experiences,

00:09:53.540 because he was smart,

00:09:54.460 he came to the U.S. as a student,

00:09:55.980 but rather,

00:09:57.300 they said,

00:09:57.800 his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy,

00:10:01.700 favoring Israel.

00:10:03.800 So this is a man that wanted Israel to burn,

00:10:07.420 this is a man that started being a terrorist in 1994,

00:10:10.280 and this is a man who America had been trying to track down,

00:10:15.360 at least by 95 and 96.

00:10:18.600 In fact,

00:10:19.000 Mohammed returned to Afghanistan, 1.00

00:10:20.320 to avoid capture by U.S. authorities in his flight from Qatar,

00:10:26.380 because he was told or tipped off that America was coming to get him.

00:10:29.880 That was in the 1990s.

00:10:32.440 So he wanted Israel to burn.

00:10:35.380 He succeeded in causing America to burn in New York City and Washington, D.C.

00:10:42.940 and Pennsylvania,

00:10:44.180 murdering nearly 3,000 Americans.

00:10:46.740 And I mentioned it was a couple of things.

00:10:48.280 One, it is the radical ideologues in the Biden administration

00:10:52.100 who won't seek the death penalty for anybody.

00:10:55.380 But two,

00:10:57.240 this Biden White House and this president

00:10:59.460 consistently,

00:11:01.660 systematically puts partisan political objectives

00:11:05.700 above justice and above protecting U.S. national security.

00:11:10.840 It is ironic that we find this news out

00:11:14.060 within a week of the two-year anniversary

00:11:17.560 of Joe Biden surrendering the Taliban,

00:11:21.840 abandoning Afghanistan,

00:11:23.880 abandoning Kabul,

00:11:25.100 leaving Americans behind to die, 0.90

00:11:28.080 abandoning 13 servicemen and women

00:11:31.280 who were murdered in Kabul.

00:11:33.440 And we discussed on this podcast,

00:11:36.460 we played the testimony of a heroic Marine

00:11:39.240 who explained that they had the intelligence

00:11:41.740 about the bomber,

00:11:42.940 and the higher-ups would not allow them to take him out

00:11:46.320 before he murdered 13 servicemen and women.

00:11:49.260 Why?

00:11:49.800 Because this White House values politics

00:11:52.700 above national security.

00:11:55.080 Now, why did they have such a disastrous

00:11:57.240 withdrawal from Afghanistan?

00:11:58.920 Because the president

00:12:00.000 wanted to have an announcement

00:12:02.040 on 9-11,

00:12:03.440 on the anniversary of 9-11,

00:12:05.140 we are out of Afghanistan.

00:12:06.660 That was a political objective.

00:12:08.320 And the fact that it would cause people to die,

00:12:11.300 the fact that it would abandon people

00:12:13.020 who had risked their lives to save us,

00:12:15.480 the fact that it would empower terrorists

00:12:17.840 who want to murder us,

00:12:19.080 none of that mattered.

00:12:20.560 The fact that it would result

00:12:21.960 in chaos and catastrophe,

00:12:23.960 and remember those images

00:12:24.920 of the people grasping the wheels of planes

00:12:27.900 as they were taking off,

00:12:29.280 as Biden cut and run.

00:12:32.920 For them, politics was more important.

00:12:34.840 You alluded when you opened this podcast

00:12:37.340 to a major reason why they're doing this,

00:12:40.840 which is Joe Biden wants to announce

00:12:42.760 we have closed Guantanamo.

00:12:45.720 Why?

00:12:46.340 Because that's a partisan political objective.

00:12:48.380 They want to dance around

00:12:51.480 and trumpet that fact

00:12:52.580 with a left-wing activist

00:12:53.620 who never liked that Gitmo was there

00:12:55.040 in the first place.

00:12:55.940 They never liked that we were fighting

00:12:57.220 against the terrorists,

00:12:58.080 and they want to say we closed Gitmo.

00:13:00.260 Now, the problem is

00:13:01.260 you have terrorists there,

00:13:03.260 and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:13:04.800 There are four others in this group,

00:13:06.640 but KSM is by far the worst of them.

00:13:10.960 He's the principal person

00:13:12.600 other than Osama bin Laden,

00:13:15.200 who was behind the September 11th attack.

00:13:18.560 They can't close Guantanamo

00:13:20.500 because they can't move them

00:13:21.820 to the United States

00:13:22.640 and put them in a U.S. prison 0.56

00:13:24.160 unless they reach some outcome.

00:13:27.480 That's why they want a plea deal,

00:13:29.020 so they could get their political victory

00:13:30.900 of closing Gitmo

00:13:32.940 and do so at the expense

00:13:35.760 of U.S. national security.

00:13:37.780 And let's be clear,

00:13:39.320 if they cut a plea deal

00:13:40.680 with this terrorist, 0.69

00:13:42.640 that will only encourage

00:13:43.980 subsequent terrorists.

00:13:45.540 Mind you, this is right on the wake

00:13:47.100 of Joe Biden sending

00:13:48.760 $6 billion to Iran.

00:13:52.060 The Ayatollah in Iran

00:13:53.300 is the leading state sponsor 0.82

00:13:54.940 of terrorism on Earth,

00:13:57.840 paying enormous sums of money 0.66

00:13:59.600 to murder Israelis 1.00

00:14:00.600 and to murder Americans. 0.99

00:14:02.420 To be clear, Iran, 0.98

00:14:03.460 to remind people,

00:14:04.340 Iran killed more American soldiers,

00:14:07.040 dismembered more American soldiers 0.96

00:14:08.560 without firing a shot

00:14:10.060 because they were the ones

00:14:11.200 supplying the roadside bombs

00:14:12.920 and the advanced bombs

00:14:14.540 to the terrorists,

00:14:16.160 whether they were the insurgents

00:14:17.640 or ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.,

00:14:20.040 and they were funneling them

00:14:22.080 and giving them safe haven,

00:14:23.760 and we just sent them billions of dollars

00:14:26.180 to then fund more terrorism.

00:14:27.640 $6 billion for five hostages,

00:14:31.020 American hostages released.

00:14:32.720 So now they've set the price

00:14:34.780 of an American hostage

00:14:35.800 at over a billion dollars apiece.

00:14:38.200 The result of that,

00:14:40.280 they've increased the risk

00:14:42.460 that more Americans

00:14:43.420 are going to be taken hostage.

00:14:44.800 They've told every tyrant,

00:14:47.280 every bad guy,

00:14:48.380 every rogue regime,

00:14:49.660 you go grab an American 1.00

00:14:50.940 and the idiots 1.00

00:14:52.420 in the Biden administration 1.00

00:14:53.640 will cut you a billion dollar check.

00:14:55.160 And it is a consistent pattern.

00:14:59.800 Elevate partisan politics

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00:17:20.080 Senator,

00:17:20.320 I want to go back

00:17:20.900 to one other thing

00:17:21.420 about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:17:22.420 just so people understand

00:17:24.240 what the,

00:17:25.700 many Americans,

00:17:26.600 I think we forget,

00:17:27.460 or you may not even know this.

00:17:29.460 If you want to know

00:17:30.240 how sadistic

00:17:31.080 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was,

00:17:32.540 and this was an individual

00:17:34.240 after 9-11,

00:17:35.700 and my mentor

00:17:36.300 was John Ashcroft,

00:17:37.160 the Attorney General

00:17:37.860 after 9-11.

00:17:38.780 I was in D.C.

00:17:39.660 working in the Bush administration,

00:17:40.800 and I learned

00:17:41.900 a ton of information

00:17:43.160 about these people

00:17:44.660 that planned 9-11.

00:17:45.800 I remember watching it,

00:17:46.960 I was in college at the time,

00:17:48.760 and I also have become friends

00:17:50.420 with one of the guys

00:17:51.200 that actually pulled

00:17:52.180 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:17:53.240 in the capture.

00:17:54.800 And having those two perspectives,

00:17:56.960 the amount of reading

00:17:57.900 I put into him,

00:17:59.140 is probably more than

00:18:01.020 any other subject in the world,

00:18:02.740 and how they planned 9-11,

00:18:04.400 because I wanted to understand

00:18:05.860 our enemy,

00:18:06.820 and why they hated us so much.

00:18:08.240 And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:18:10.420 not only did he help plan

00:18:12.220 other airliner attacks,

00:18:14.520 but he actually worked

00:18:16.260 to devise a scheme

00:18:17.240 where five men

00:18:18.260 in a single day,

00:18:19.620 and this was back in the 90s,

00:18:21.260 would board 12 flights.

00:18:23.520 Two each to three of the men

00:18:25.800 on each plane.

00:18:27.160 They would then put bombs

00:18:28.840 on those planes,

00:18:29.800 and their plan was

00:18:30.720 to exit the planes,

00:18:31.980 leaving timers

00:18:32.900 to ignite those bombs.

00:18:34.380 They did a dry run on this

00:18:35.820 on Philippine Airlines,

00:18:36.880 434,

00:18:38.680 and they used an explosive,

00:18:40.840 and it went off.

00:18:42.080 Then they were planning

00:18:43.000 on doing this,

00:18:43.640 but then they realized

00:18:44.580 something with Osama bin Laden. 0.93

00:18:46.480 This sadistic individual

00:18:47.800 said, 0.96

00:18:48.800 no, no, no,

00:18:49.080 that's not enough.

00:18:50.540 We need to hijack 0.99

00:18:51.840 the planes with jihadists

00:18:53.540 who are willing

00:18:54.640 to blow themselves up, 0.78

00:18:56.120 right, 0.95

00:18:56.380 in the explosion, 0.89

00:18:58.000 and not just kill 0.99

00:18:58.980 everybody on the plane, 1.00

00:19:00.060 but hit targets

00:19:01.460 to make America

00:19:03.280 be fearful of us

00:19:04.640 and change the course

00:19:05.640 of the world.

00:19:06.220 That's why they picked

00:19:07.720 the Twin Towers.

00:19:08.940 That's why they picked

00:19:09.700 the Pentagon.

00:19:10.780 That's why that other plane

00:19:11.840 that crashed in that field

00:19:13.340 apparently was headed

00:19:14.200 towards the White House.

00:19:15.460 That was its intended target

00:19:17.000 from what we understand.

00:19:18.480 They understood

00:19:19.340 that these planes

00:19:20.460 with the right men,

00:19:22.120 and they found those men,

00:19:23.460 and they trained those men,

00:19:24.880 and they took care

00:19:25.800 of their families afterwards.

00:19:27.320 All of this was

00:19:28.300 from Mohammed said,

00:19:29.080 no, no,

00:19:29.260 it's not enough

00:19:29.800 just to blow a plane up. 0.96

00:19:31.000 We have to hit 0.99

00:19:31.860 American targets 0.99

00:19:33.140 that the American people

00:19:34.820 will come to their knees

00:19:36.400 when it happens,

00:19:37.780 and we can change

00:19:38.720 the course

00:19:39.280 of the future

00:19:40.520 of the world.

00:19:42.260 That is the guy

00:19:43.300 that now,

00:19:44.340 and imagine if you had

00:19:45.240 a family member

00:19:45.820 on any one of these planes,

00:19:47.180 or that was killed

00:19:48.440 in the Twin Towers,

00:19:49.580 or at the Pentagon,

00:19:50.620 et cetera,

00:19:51.640 and all these other

00:19:52.480 terror attacks

00:19:52.900 I mentioned earlier

00:19:53.680 that he was involved in,

00:19:55.820 you get a letter

00:19:56.580 in the mail

00:19:57.000 that says,

00:19:57.640 we just want

00:19:58.680 to wrap this up.

00:20:00.220 How does anybody

00:20:01.040 have faith

00:20:01.520 in America's government

00:20:02.420 if we do this?

00:20:05.120 Look, Ben,

00:20:05.880 it is shocking.

00:20:07.560 Now, I want to do something.

00:20:09.500 A lot of the folks

00:20:10.460 that listen to Verdict

00:20:11.500 are young.

00:20:14.120 We have a lot

00:20:15.020 of college kids

00:20:15.820 who listen.

00:20:16.420 We have a lot

00:20:16.820 of high school kids

00:20:17.580 who listen.

00:20:18.660 We have a lot

00:20:19.400 of young professionals

00:20:20.180 who listen.

00:20:20.800 We have a lot

00:20:21.160 of people

00:20:21.560 who are regular listeners

00:20:22.580 to Verdict

00:20:23.140 who were not alive

00:20:24.740 on September 11th,

00:20:25.820 and so for them,

00:20:29.420 September 11th

00:20:30.560 is sort of like

00:20:31.920 what Pearl Harbor

00:20:32.720 is to you and me.

00:20:33.780 It is a thing

00:20:36.080 about we know

00:20:36.700 about in history.

00:20:37.680 We know that it was

00:20:38.280 a horrific attack

00:20:39.360 on America,

00:20:40.120 but it's not something

00:20:41.420 for many of our listeners

00:20:43.140 that is part of

00:20:44.040 their lived experience.

00:20:46.460 And for both you

00:20:47.680 and I,

00:20:49.740 September 11th

00:20:50.760 is indelibly

00:20:51.700 marked in our minds.

00:20:52.940 I was in Washington,

00:20:54.200 D.C.,

00:20:55.280 on September 11th.

00:20:57.040 I remember it acutely.

00:20:59.600 Where were you?

00:21:00.480 Tell me where you were

00:21:02.260 and how you experienced

00:21:03.700 September 11th.

00:21:04.680 I was in my dorm room

00:21:05.820 at Ole Miss,

00:21:06.580 and I was sitting there

00:21:08.200 studying for a big test,

00:21:10.280 and I was about to leave,

00:21:11.780 and my phone rang.

00:21:12.740 This was like,

00:21:13.620 almost like,

00:21:14.280 cell phones weren't

00:21:14.980 really big yet.

00:21:15.920 I remember my dorm room

00:21:17.360 phone ringing,

00:21:18.700 and it was a producer

00:21:19.840 that I had worked with

00:21:22.100 at Fox News

00:21:23.060 because I was

00:21:23.540 commenting at the time.

00:21:24.460 He said,

00:21:24.760 turn your TV right now

00:21:25.540 and hung up on me.

00:21:27.040 And I remember

00:21:27.700 turning the TV on Fox.

00:21:28.780 It wasn't even on yet,

00:21:29.580 and then I went to NBC,

00:21:30.720 and I remember watching

00:21:32.460 as they thought

00:21:33.660 that it was a small plane

00:21:34.960 that may have hit

00:21:35.640 the building,

00:21:36.180 and then I watched

00:21:38.120 in real time,

00:21:39.500 live,

00:21:40.040 that second plane

00:21:40.900 hit the second tower.

00:21:41.940 And I remember

00:21:43.600 that whole day,

00:21:44.520 the entire campus,

00:21:45.680 it was like

00:21:46.180 this zombie apocalypse.

00:21:47.820 No one knew what to do.

00:21:49.940 No one,

00:21:50.860 everybody was calling

00:21:51.740 their mom and dad.

00:21:52.920 Everybody was,

00:21:54.620 parents,

00:21:55.120 I remember,

00:21:55.660 showing up an hour later

00:21:56.720 taking kids away

00:21:58.120 from the campus

00:21:58.720 because they were so afraid

00:21:59.620 that this could happen

00:22:00.380 on college campuses.

00:22:02.060 There were rumors

00:22:02.720 going around,

00:22:03.800 and you were,

00:22:04.500 I called my dad,

00:22:05.740 who was in law enforcement.

00:22:06.680 I was like,

00:22:06.960 what do I do?

00:22:07.520 And he was like,

00:22:07.980 hey,

00:22:08.120 I want you to get out

00:22:08.780 of your dorm.

00:22:09.420 I remember him

00:22:09.920 telling me that.

00:22:10.500 I want you to get

00:22:10.940 out of your dorm room.

00:22:12.280 Go get in your car,

00:22:13.240 get out of the dorm room,

00:22:14.140 and then we decided

00:22:15.160 that I was going

00:22:15.880 to come to Memphis.

00:22:16.900 And everyone left

00:22:18.500 because no one knew

00:22:19.620 what was going

00:22:20.060 to happen next.

00:22:20.900 And then when I remember,

00:22:22.180 you hear that a bomb

00:22:24.060 had gone off.

00:22:24.800 There was a report,

00:22:26.160 a bomb went off

00:22:26.660 by the White House.

00:22:27.420 And then I remember

00:22:28.660 watching those journalists

00:22:30.120 live feeds

00:22:31.020 where they were running

00:22:31.820 down the street

00:22:32.620 and they called it

00:22:33.820 the trail of the heels

00:22:35.720 because everybody

00:22:36.420 was kicking their shoes off

00:22:37.600 running for their lives.

00:22:38.920 And then the Pentagon

00:22:40.000 got hit.

00:22:40.560 And then we heard

00:22:40.900 there was multiple

00:22:41.700 other planes.

00:22:42.760 It was the scariest

00:22:43.720 day of my life

00:22:44.880 from a,

00:22:46.400 you felt like nowhere

00:22:47.660 was safe in that moment.

00:22:49.060 And that's exactly

00:22:50.040 what these hijackers

00:22:51.320 had planned.

00:22:52.620 It was their entire,

00:22:54.340 the decision making

00:22:55.600 and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:22:56.900 who could get a deal.

00:22:58.500 He's the guy

00:22:59.200 that picked the target.

00:23:00.060 A lot of people thought

00:23:00.640 it was Hassan Bin Laden.

00:23:01.680 It was not.

00:23:02.780 Bin Laden had rejected

00:23:03.860 some targets

00:23:04.620 that were suggested

00:23:05.360 by Mohammed.

00:23:06.500 For example,

00:23:07.360 the U.S. Bank Tower

00:23:08.940 in Los Angeles.

00:23:10.580 It was one of the targets.

00:23:11.920 He said,

00:23:12.140 no, no, no.

00:23:12.520 I want to simplify it.

00:23:13.880 That's too hard

00:23:14.400 to fly there quickly

00:23:15.640 and you can't get there

00:23:17.140 from takeoff.

00:23:17.820 So he said no to that one.

00:23:19.080 But it was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:23:20.620 that came up

00:23:21.500 with that list.

00:23:23.160 And it was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

00:23:25.080 that is,

00:23:26.300 that went out there

00:23:27.100 and picked

00:23:27.440 every single

00:23:28.300 9-11 hijacker.

00:23:29.480 Osama Bin Laden

00:23:31.160 didn't do

00:23:31.760 any of that work.

00:23:33.260 That was Mohammed 0.96

00:23:34.380 who went out there

00:23:35.300 and proceeded

00:23:35.900 to organize the plot,

00:23:37.340 met with the people,

00:23:38.760 got them the training,

00:23:40.100 taught them how

00:23:40.740 to fly the planes,

00:23:41.700 got them the flight

00:23:42.460 training in America.

00:23:43.940 And Bin Laden,

00:23:45.140 yes,

00:23:45.700 he provided

00:23:46.240 the financial support,

00:23:47.660 but this is the guy

00:23:48.700 who's still alive

00:23:49.420 and the people

00:23:50.200 that risked their lives

00:23:51.080 to get him.

00:23:51.440 There were several times

00:23:52.240 that Americans died, 0.82

00:23:53.200 by the way,

00:23:53.920 on bad intel

00:23:55.120 trying to get

00:23:55.880 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:23:56.760 And there are people

00:23:58.480 that gave the ultimate sacrifice

00:23:59.860 just trying to capture him alive

00:24:02.060 because we didn't want

00:24:02.780 to blow him up.

00:24:03.380 We had chances,

00:24:04.100 from what I understand,

00:24:05.200 to blow him up.

00:24:06.240 And we weren't able

00:24:07.280 to do that.

00:24:08.160 We didn't want to do it.

00:24:09.020 We were told,

00:24:09.480 no, no, no,

00:24:09.700 we want to capture him

00:24:10.580 because we thought

00:24:11.460 he had more intel

00:24:12.580 or as much intel

00:24:13.900 as Osama Bin Laden 0.65

00:24:14.980 and that's why

00:24:15.620 we took him alive

00:24:16.460 instead of trying 0.86

00:24:16.980 to kill him. 0.99

00:24:19.220 So, 1.00

00:24:19.800 I remember that morning.

00:24:21.860 It was,

00:24:22.840 obviously,

00:24:23.660 September 11th

00:24:24.620 of 2001

00:24:25.840 and it was the beginning

00:24:27.180 of the Bush administration

00:24:28.180 and Heidi and I

00:24:30.680 were newlyweds.

00:24:31.960 We had gotten married

00:24:32.780 in May of 2001

00:24:34.100 and we were both working

00:24:36.040 in the Bush administration.

00:24:37.140 The two of us

00:24:37.620 had met on the

00:24:38.440 George W. Bush

00:24:39.160 presidential campaign

00:24:40.400 the year before.

00:24:42.520 Heidi was working

00:24:43.360 in the White House.

00:24:44.040 She was in the U.S.

00:24:44.840 Trade Representative's office

00:24:45.880 which is part

00:24:46.960 of the White House complex.

00:24:48.740 I was working

00:24:49.580 at the Federal Trade Commission.

00:24:52.040 The first plane

00:24:53.420 hit the first

00:24:56.000 World Trade Center tower

00:24:57.860 at 8.46 a.m.

00:25:00.880 And within a minute or two

00:25:02.340 Heidi was already

00:25:03.000 at the office.

00:25:04.160 She called me at home

00:25:05.200 and I was walking

00:25:06.440 out the front door.

00:25:07.400 Our apartment

00:25:07.980 was in northern Virginia.

00:25:10.460 It was less than a mile

00:25:11.360 from the Pentagon.

00:25:12.520 It was just south

00:25:13.300 of the Pentagon.

00:25:14.780 And Heidi called me

00:25:15.740 as I was walking

00:25:16.340 out the front door

00:25:17.040 and she said,

00:25:17.860 stop where you are,

00:25:18.860 turn on the TV

00:25:19.580 and watch what happened.

00:25:21.460 So I stopped.

00:25:22.440 I didn't leave the apartment

00:25:23.360 and I turned on the TV

00:25:24.400 and I saw a plane

00:25:26.800 had hit one of the Twin Towers.

00:25:29.800 Now when the first plane hit

00:25:31.740 nobody knew what it was

00:25:33.620 and initially

00:25:34.740 you couldn't tell

00:25:36.940 that it was an airliner.

00:25:38.960 There was a lot

00:25:39.740 of speculation

00:25:40.360 that maybe it was a Cessna,

00:25:42.260 it was a smaller plane,

00:25:43.580 maybe some pilot

00:25:45.060 had gotten horrifically confused,

00:25:47.040 maybe a pilot

00:25:47.540 had a heart attack,

00:25:48.620 that it could have been

00:25:49.800 an accident.

00:25:50.500 As you were first

00:25:51.280 watching it,

00:25:52.600 people weren't sure

00:25:53.540 what happened.

00:25:55.200 And then,

00:25:56.800 at 9.03 a.m.,

00:25:58.700 the second plane

00:26:00.940 flew into the second tower.

00:26:04.120 And at that instant,

00:26:05.780 everyone watching it

00:26:07.160 knew what it was.

00:26:08.660 We knew that it was terrorism.

00:26:10.600 And the second plane

00:26:11.600 they had on video,

00:26:14.020 you could see

00:26:14.760 that it was a

00:26:15.680 full airliner

00:26:17.480 that crashed in.

00:26:20.700 It was United Airlines

00:26:21.640 Flight 175

00:26:22.700 that crashed into

00:26:24.760 the World Trade Center

00:26:25.700 South Tower.

00:26:26.900 The North Tower

00:26:27.840 had been hit

00:26:28.320 by American Airlines

00:26:29.280 Flight 11.

00:26:31.180 And when it crashed,

00:26:33.180 you knew you were watching

00:26:34.460 hundreds of people

00:26:35.500 die in an instant.

00:26:36.580 Everyone on that plane 0.99

00:26:37.660 was incinerated.

00:26:39.260 Everyone in the towers

00:26:40.280 where the airliner

00:26:41.400 crashed into

00:26:42.160 was incinerated.

00:26:43.080 Heidi was,

00:26:45.900 as I said,

00:26:46.340 at the White House

00:26:46.880 at the time.

00:26:47.640 And when the first plane

00:26:48.800 hit,

00:26:50.300 the Secret Service

00:26:51.160 came through

00:26:51.960 the halls

00:26:53.240 of the White House

00:26:53.940 and they told everyone,

00:26:54.960 stay where you are.

00:26:55.720 We don't know

00:26:56.240 what's happened,

00:26:56.840 but just stay where you are.

00:26:58.900 When the second plane

00:27:00.100 hit,

00:27:01.240 they realized,

00:27:02.220 like everyone did,

00:27:03.080 that America

00:27:04.100 was under attack.

00:27:05.860 And the Secret Service

00:27:07.080 agents ran

00:27:08.700 down the hallways.

00:27:10.560 and they were yelling

00:27:12.900 at people,

00:27:14.020 get out.

00:27:14.840 Get out now.

00:27:16.380 They said,

00:27:16.920 run.

00:27:17.340 Do not walk.

00:27:18.680 Run.

00:27:19.220 Get out of the building.

00:27:20.480 Get out of here.

00:27:22.160 So Heidi got up

00:27:24.120 and ran.

00:27:25.560 Her car was parked

00:27:27.120 in a parking garage

00:27:27.900 and she was not able

00:27:28.580 to get her car out

00:27:29.340 because they were not

00:27:29.760 letting anyone

00:27:30.160 get their cars out.

00:27:31.520 So you were mentioning

00:27:32.620 people walking,

00:27:33.820 walking in bare feet.

00:27:36.420 Well,

00:27:36.580 one of those people

00:27:37.340 was Heidi Suzanne Cruz,

00:27:39.420 who walked across

00:27:41.920 Memorial Bridge.

00:27:42.920 She pulled off

00:27:43.520 her high heels

00:27:44.200 and walked in bare feet

00:27:46.780 from the White House

00:27:48.580 to Northern Virginia.

00:27:50.500 And I'm watching this

00:27:52.520 in horror

00:27:53.300 as it plays out

00:27:54.380 and the cell phone

00:27:55.100 coverage was terrible.

00:27:56.380 So I was having

00:27:56.800 a really hard time

00:27:57.900 getting in touch

00:27:58.560 with Heidi

00:27:58.980 because the towers

00:27:59.880 were overloaded.

00:28:03.160 Then,

00:28:04.160 at 9.37 a.m.,

00:28:06.680 a third flight

00:28:09.040 crashed into the Pentagon.

00:28:11.280 American Airlines

00:28:12.160 Flight 77

00:28:14.300 crashed into the Pentagon

00:28:15.540 at 9.37 a.m.

00:28:17.780 When that happened,

00:28:20.100 one of the news networks,

00:28:21.700 I think it was ABC News,

00:28:23.240 reported that a plane

00:28:25.160 had hit the White House

00:28:26.080 because from the angle

00:28:27.300 of the cameras,

00:28:28.520 it looked like there was

00:28:29.620 smoke coming up

00:28:30.420 from the White House.

00:28:31.220 You couldn't quite tell

00:28:32.120 it was the Pentagon.

00:28:33.740 I'm sitting there

00:28:34.660 looking at it going, 0.98

00:28:35.560 holy crap, Heidi's 0.98

00:28:36.540 in the White House. 0.99

00:28:37.200 Like that,

00:28:37.660 you want to talk about

00:28:38.960 freaking you out, 0.83

00:28:40.860 seeing on the news

00:28:41.960 that a plane

00:28:42.520 has just hit

00:28:43.040 where your wife is 0.65

00:28:44.140 scares the hell

00:28:46.280 out of you.

00:28:47.480 I connected with Heidi

00:28:48.680 shortly thereafter

00:28:49.520 and realized

00:28:50.460 she was okay.

00:28:52.300 But I found out later

00:28:53.700 that on that plane,

00:28:56.300 on American Airlines

00:28:57.260 Flight 77,

00:28:58.480 was a good friend

00:28:59.520 to mine

00:28:59.860 and a good friend

00:29:00.420 of Heidi's.

00:29:01.880 Barbara Olson.

00:29:02.800 Barbara Olson

00:29:03.380 was an amazing lawyer

00:29:04.900 she was married

00:29:06.420 to Ted Olson,

00:29:07.580 who was the U.S.

00:29:09.480 Solicitor General

00:29:10.220 at the time,

00:29:11.320 someone I've known

00:29:12.120 for 25 years.

00:29:13.420 He's an incredibly

00:29:14.420 talented Supreme Court

00:29:15.660 lawyer.

00:29:17.000 And Barbara

00:29:18.000 called Ted

00:29:20.420 from the plane

00:29:22.500 and her cell phone

00:29:23.300 connected

00:29:23.720 and Ted answered

00:29:24.540 the phone.

00:29:26.320 And she said,

00:29:27.380 what do I do?

00:29:29.000 Now, I want you

00:29:29.640 to imagine

00:29:30.320 you're sitting there

00:29:32.780 and you get

00:29:33.860 a phone call

00:29:34.500 from your wife

00:29:35.320 and you are

00:29:38.860 the number three

00:29:39.600 official

00:29:40.000 at the Department

00:29:40.620 of Justice.

00:29:41.160 You are watching

00:29:41.960 intently

00:29:42.440 what's unfolding.

00:29:43.880 You've seen

00:29:44.580 two planes

00:29:45.520 fly directly

00:29:46.680 into the World

00:29:47.460 Trade Center

00:29:48.060 towers

00:29:48.640 and you're

00:29:50.120 talking to

00:29:50.660 your wife

00:29:51.180 who knows,

00:29:52.940 you know

00:29:53.440 is on a plane

00:29:54.180 who had actually

00:29:54.720 stayed over

00:29:55.440 an extra day

00:29:56.300 to celebrate

00:29:56.920 Ted's birthday.

00:29:57.600 And her question,

00:30:01.400 Barbara was

00:30:02.100 indomitable.

00:30:03.140 She was a fighter.

00:30:04.160 She was ferocious.

00:30:05.580 I loved Barbara Olson.

00:30:07.480 And her question

00:30:08.480 to Ted,

00:30:09.200 when she called Ted,

00:30:10.620 Ted knew

00:30:11.360 what the hijackers

00:30:13.340 intended.

00:30:13.920 He knew it was not,

00:30:15.260 look, prior to

00:30:16.000 September 11th

00:30:16.920 if a plane is hijacked,

00:30:19.340 people assumed,

00:30:20.440 okay, do what

00:30:21.200 the hijackers want

00:30:22.400 and, you know,

00:30:24.120 maybe they'll fly

00:30:24.860 to Cuba.

00:30:25.520 Maybe they'll go

00:30:26.340 land somewhere

00:30:27.140 and demand a ransom.

00:30:29.220 People didn't think

00:30:30.580 the idea of flying

00:30:31.820 a jet airliner

00:30:33.440 into a building

00:30:35.400 and murdering

00:30:36.200 thousands of people,

00:30:37.080 that was not something

00:30:38.260 anyone had ever done.

00:30:39.760 It's not something

00:30:40.280 anyone had ever thought of.

00:30:41.520 But Ted is on the phone

00:30:42.760 with his wife

00:30:43.540 and she's saying,

00:30:46.280 what do I do?

00:30:46.940 And that's the last word

00:30:47.980 he heard.

00:30:48.540 What do I do?

00:30:49.180 How do we stop them?

00:30:51.320 And the line goes dead.

00:30:53.540 Now,

00:30:54.320 after that happens,

00:30:57.140 an hour and 41 minutes

00:31:00.400 after the planes

00:31:02.960 hit the World Trade Center

00:31:04.180 towers,

00:31:05.100 the towers collapsed.

00:31:09.020 And I have to say

00:31:10.500 the image

00:31:11.160 everyone who was

00:31:12.640 watching

00:31:13.380 the television,

00:31:16.080 in the hour and 41 minutes

00:31:18.880 that led up to it,

00:31:19.820 you saw the flames

00:31:20.820 going up and up

00:31:21.680 and up the building

00:31:22.420 as the jet fuel

00:31:23.340 burned hotter

00:31:24.160 and hotter

00:31:24.660 and hotter.

00:31:25.860 You saw an image

00:31:26.980 that they no longer

00:31:27.740 show on the news

00:31:28.540 but we saw over

00:31:29.540 and over and over

00:31:30.160 again that day,

00:31:31.040 which is people

00:31:32.320 in the upper floors

00:31:33.440 jumping to their deaths.

00:31:36.080 And you could see bodies

00:31:37.480 when the first one went,

00:31:38.500 you're like,

00:31:38.740 what is that?

00:31:40.960 And you'd see

00:31:41.760 a person jump.

00:31:42.600 You know,

00:31:43.100 you're at the window,

00:31:44.200 you've got flames,

00:31:45.200 you have a choice 0.93

00:31:45.760 between being burned to death, 1.00

00:31:47.460 you're about to be incinerated, 0.99

00:31:48.780 or jumping to your death 1.00

00:31:50.360 and we saw person

00:31:51.220 after person

00:31:51.800 after person

00:31:52.440 jumping off

00:31:53.920 from the upper floors

00:31:55.160 of those towers.

00:31:57.160 And an hour and 41 minutes later,

00:31:59.000 the two collapsed

00:31:59.840 and every person,

00:32:00.940 I think everyone said

00:32:02.120 the same words

00:32:03.040 as you watched that.

00:32:05.700 Oh my God.

00:32:07.720 Yeah.

00:32:08.680 Like,

00:32:09.380 it didn't,

00:32:10.220 as you're watching it,

00:32:11.640 you did not believe

00:32:13.060 the towers could collapse

00:32:14.420 and as you saw them

00:32:15.480 come down,

00:32:16.880 you realize

00:32:17.740 there are thousands

00:32:19.000 of people

00:32:19.880 being murdered

00:32:22.140 all at once.

00:32:24.380 And the brave men

00:32:25.540 that were going up there

00:32:26.860 taking the stairs

00:32:27.880 because the elevators

00:32:28.680 had locked down.

00:32:30.700 The firefighters

00:32:31.580 who ran in

00:32:32.640 and ran in

00:32:33.340 and ran in

00:32:33.920 and ran towards the flames

00:32:35.300 and who died

00:32:36.680 and knew

00:32:37.320 they were risking death.

00:32:40.180 They did it

00:32:41.180 and they did it

00:32:42.040 because they thought

00:32:42.940 they were going to

00:32:43.460 save people's lives.

00:32:45.420 And I go back

00:32:46.200 to,

00:32:46.480 if you've never been

00:32:48.560 to the 9-11

00:32:49.240 museum,

00:32:50.880 the memorial,

00:32:51.800 you should go.

00:32:53.740 And I will never forget

00:32:55.400 picking up,

00:32:56.220 they have these phones

00:32:57.080 that you can pick up

00:32:57.880 and listen to

00:32:58.680 the final messages

00:32:59.800 and the phone calls

00:33:01.520 that people left

00:33:02.960 that died on those planes.

00:33:05.880 And if you've never

00:33:07.680 listened to them,

00:33:08.400 you should.

00:33:08.820 A lot of them

00:33:09.340 are actually on YouTube.

00:33:10.760 I would encourage you

00:33:11.640 to go and listen to those.

00:33:12.960 And you tell me

00:33:14.720 if these men

00:33:16.780 deserve to live.

00:33:18.280 And they don't.

00:33:19.740 And the White House

00:33:20.580 could stop this,

00:33:21.460 but they're not

00:33:21.940 trying to stop this.

00:33:23.100 They're wanting this

00:33:23.940 to happen

00:33:24.480 because they want

00:33:25.220 to close Gitmo

00:33:26.140 for political reasons.

00:33:27.820 The same way 0.72

00:33:28.460 they don't care

00:33:28.980 about anyone

00:33:29.480 that was left behind

00:33:30.900 that died in Afghanistan

00:33:32.640 after we pulled out

00:33:33.800 on the anniversary

00:33:34.440 of 9-11.

00:33:35.640 They don't care

00:33:36.240 about any of the people

00:33:37.140 that risked their lives

00:33:38.120 for literally

00:33:39.660 over a decade.

00:33:40.620 many of the translators

00:33:42.220 and others

00:33:42.720 that aided and abetted

00:33:43.760 American soldiers

00:33:45.520 and our allies

00:33:46.580 from around the world

00:33:47.500 that were left there

00:33:48.300 to be tortured

00:33:49.120 and brutalized 1.00

00:33:50.640 and murdered 0.99

00:33:51.200 and raped 0.99

00:33:51.920 because they didn't have 0.98

00:33:54.040 an adequate plan

00:33:55.800 to get people out.

00:33:57.160 We still are,

00:33:57.940 to this day,

00:33:58.520 and Senator,

00:33:58.820 I know you know this,

00:34:00.000 there are still

00:34:01.180 men that serve this country.

00:34:03.500 I was in Fort Bragg

00:34:04.460 a week and a half ago,

00:34:05.740 and there are still

00:34:07.320 people there

00:34:08.100 that are trying

00:34:09.060 to get their translators

00:34:10.500 and others

00:34:11.780 that helped Americans

00:34:13.220 and, by the way,

00:34:13.940 saved their American

00:34:14.860 soldiers' lives

00:34:15.920 and when bombs went off,

00:34:18.240 they risked their lives

00:34:19.320 and were taking fire

00:34:20.260 to help drag a man 0.97

00:34:21.420 off the battlefield

00:34:22.180 or from a Humvee

00:34:23.360 that's on fire

00:34:24.220 that has been blown up

00:34:25.520 with a roadside bomb

00:34:26.300 and they're still

00:34:27.500 in Afghanistan

00:34:28.320 trying to get them out

00:34:29.260 because the Taliban

00:34:30.080 has that list

00:34:31.080 and they are hunting

00:34:31.960 them down now

00:34:33.200 and have hunted

00:34:33.960 down many already

00:34:35.140 and this president

00:34:36.220 says,

00:34:36.540 no, no, no,

00:34:36.780 we don't care about that.

00:34:38.100 We're going to have

00:34:38.460 a celebration

00:34:39.060 that we got out

00:34:39.700 of Afghanistan

00:34:40.240 and ended America's

00:34:41.260 longest war

00:34:42.000 and that'll make

00:34:43.060 people love us

00:34:43.860 the same way they think,

00:34:45.240 well, Gitmo's a terrible place

00:34:46.520 because people

00:34:47.020 were waterboarded there.

00:34:48.060 We want to close

00:34:48.760 that down as well

00:34:49.800 and if you are

00:34:51.460 a family member

00:34:52.420 and you receive

00:34:54.320 this letter,

00:34:55.860 I cannot imagine

00:34:57.380 that you would ever

00:34:58.020 have any faith

00:34:58.780 in the United States

00:34:59.400 of America

00:34:59.860 ever again

00:35:00.720 on any level

00:35:01.580 if we allow

00:35:03.020 this to happen.

00:35:03.920 The only way

00:35:04.320 we stop it

00:35:05.020 is pressure.

00:35:05.700 Am I wrong?

00:35:06.140 There has to be

00:35:09.020 public outcry.

00:35:10.480 That is the only

00:35:12.060 thing conceivably

00:35:13.640 that can change it

00:35:15.620 and I've got to say

00:35:16.200 one of the shocking

00:35:18.480 and shameful things

00:35:19.640 is the national media

00:35:21.540 isn't covering this.

00:35:23.040 Ask yourself,

00:35:24.140 did you see this

00:35:25.240 on the news tonight?

00:35:26.420 Was it on the

00:35:27.040 six o'clock news?

00:35:27.900 Was it on the

00:35:28.400 national news?

00:35:29.600 Have you read it

00:35:30.560 in the newspaper?

00:35:33.060 You know,

00:35:35.100 there is an exception

00:35:36.000 which at least

00:35:37.280 one station

00:35:38.120 in New York City

00:35:39.140 and kudos to them

00:35:41.280 covered it

00:35:41.960 and Ben,

00:35:43.600 we ought to play

00:35:44.060 what they covered

00:35:44.680 because I appreciate

00:35:46.160 at least one station

00:35:47.180 covering it.

00:35:48.360 Yeah,

00:35:48.620 in New York City,

00:35:49.760 CBS Channel 2,

00:35:52.860 they did cover this

00:35:54.660 from a local standpoint.

00:35:57.120 This was in the national,

00:35:58.140 this was local CBS news

00:35:59.960 in New York City

00:36:01.420 and I want you to hear

00:36:02.240 what they had to say

00:36:03.200 about this.

00:36:04.700 The suspected mastermind

00:36:06.300 of the September 11th

00:36:07.440 terror attacks

00:36:08.280 along with four

00:36:09.100 other defendants

00:36:10.100 could escape

00:36:11.380 the death penalty

00:36:12.280 under a plea agreement

00:36:13.560 being considered.

00:36:14.920 CBS 2's Dick Brennan

00:36:15.960 is hearing from

00:36:16.800 family members

00:36:17.580 who are now

00:36:18.520 outraged. 0.98

00:36:19.460 Dick. 0.99

00:36:19.900 Indeed they are, 0.99

00:36:20.720 Christine.

00:36:21.160 The prosecution

00:36:21.740 of the 9-11 defendants

00:36:23.260 at Guantanamo Bay

00:36:24.140 has been delayed

00:36:24.640 for years,

00:36:25.480 but military prosecutors

00:36:27.160 and defense lawyers

00:36:28.220 had begun exploring

00:36:29.800 a negotiated resolution

00:36:31.440 to the case,

00:36:32.320 but a potential deal

00:36:33.520 that's being floated

00:36:34.340 has infuriated

00:36:35.400 some 9-11 family members.

00:36:37.580 Generally,

00:36:38.140 I just think

00:36:38.560 that the consensus

00:36:39.260 is that it's a bad deal.

00:36:41.320 Daniel Bellardinelli

00:36:42.160 lost his uncle

00:36:42.860 William Cashman

00:36:43.680 on Flight 93,

00:36:44.880 which crashed

00:36:45.680 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania

00:36:46.900 on September 11th.

00:36:48.260 He says the five defendants,

00:36:49.800 including the suspected

00:36:50.660 mastermind,

00:36:51.400 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

00:36:52.460 deserve no mercy.

00:36:53.820 I'm personally

00:36:54.700 a very forgiving person,

00:36:56.880 as is my family,

00:36:58.520 but their actions

00:37:00.460 are unforgivable.

00:37:01.740 But the Pentagon

00:37:02.120 sent this letter

00:37:02.980 to 9-11 families

00:37:04.140 revealing plea deals

00:37:05.440 are being considered

00:37:06.220 in which the five men

00:37:07.320 would accept

00:37:07.960 criminal responsibility

00:37:08.900 for their actions

00:37:09.840 and plead guilty

00:37:10.980 in exchange

00:37:11.620 for not receiving

00:37:12.380 the death penalty.

00:37:13.380 It's more heartbroken.

00:37:14.900 Kristen Breitweiser's

00:37:15.960 husband, Ron,

00:37:16.580 died in the World Trade Center

00:37:17.680 and she can't understand

00:37:19.160 why a deal

00:37:19.800 would be offered.

00:37:20.660 I thought I lived

00:37:21.360 in the United States

00:37:22.320 of America.

00:37:23.040 I thought we were a nation

00:37:24.580 based upon the rule of law

00:37:25.920 and obviously

00:37:27.240 that's turned out

00:37:28.880 not to be the case.

00:37:30.140 The five men

00:37:30.740 have been at Guantanamo

00:37:31.740 in a kind of legal limbo

00:37:32.960 with delays

00:37:33.840 and disputes

00:37:34.440 that have grinded

00:37:35.180 the wheels of justice

00:37:35.960 to a practical halt

00:37:37.080 in part because

00:37:38.180 the CIA interrogations

00:37:39.600 of the suspects

00:37:40.300 that critics

00:37:41.080 called torture.

00:37:42.420 A lawyer for one

00:37:43.000 of the defendants

00:37:43.620 said last year

00:37:44.560 a plea deal

00:37:45.220 would end the impasse.

00:37:46.460 She is willing

00:37:47.180 to plead guilty,

00:37:49.360 serve a long sentence

00:37:50.340 at Guantanamo

00:37:51.140 in exchange

00:37:52.160 for medical care

00:37:53.160 for his torture

00:37:53.780 and taking the death penalty

00:37:55.540 off the table.

00:37:56.300 But that's not enough

00:37:57.300 for Daniel Ballardinelli

00:37:58.440 when he thinks about

00:37:59.460 the horror of Flight 93.

00:38:01.260 I was supposed to be

00:38:02.200 on the flight.

00:38:03.060 I canceled.

00:38:04.040 And I saw the photo

00:38:04.800 of the field.

00:38:05.720 It just made me think

00:38:06.620 like, oh my God,

00:38:07.180 that's where I could have died.

00:38:08.440 They're taking the death penalty

00:38:09.400 off the table

00:38:10.260 for someone

00:38:10.860 that committed

00:38:11.560 a heinous crime.

00:38:13.080 Beyond heinous.

00:38:14.040 These are awful.

00:38:15.000 These aren't,

00:38:15.420 they're not even human

00:38:16.280 what they did.

00:38:18.400 They're not even human

00:38:19.680 what they did.

00:38:20.700 Senator,

00:38:20.940 rarely does a show

00:38:24.060 make me angry

00:38:24.740 or frustrated.

00:38:26.500 I would challenge

00:38:27.840 everyone

00:38:29.140 to go

00:38:30.520 and to

00:38:31.460 Google

00:38:32.080 the mastermind

00:38:33.020 of 9-11,

00:38:33.820 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:38:34.740 Read his history.

00:38:36.980 Read who he is.

00:38:38.140 Read how long

00:38:38.680 you've been doing this.

00:38:39.740 Look at the other four.

00:38:41.760 Ramsey

00:38:42.220 is another one 0.98

00:38:43.260 who is a horrific 0.99

00:38:44.240 human being. 0.99

00:38:45.080 These people

00:38:45.480 were involved,

00:38:46.580 by the way,

00:38:47.000 in beheadings.

00:38:48.800 Daniel Pearl

00:38:49.500 and other beheadings,

00:38:52.060 these are not

00:38:53.000 human beings. 0.98

00:38:54.620 These are sadistic 0.83

00:38:55.740 people that do not 1.00

00:38:57.200 deserve to live. 0.99

00:38:58.900 And they are the worst 1.00

00:39:00.260 people in the world 0.98

00:39:02.420 and not a single

00:39:03.500 country wants them.

00:39:05.280 I think that's part

00:39:06.220 of what people

00:39:06.720 don't understand

00:39:07.240 about the reason

00:39:08.640 why they want

00:39:09.040 this plea deal

00:39:09.740 is we've tried

00:39:11.240 to get them out.

00:39:12.480 Daniel Pearl,

00:39:13.380 again,

00:39:13.780 some of our younger

00:39:14.480 listeners may not

00:39:15.320 remember this.

00:39:16.160 they beheaded

00:39:18.200 him live

00:39:20.040 on the internet.

00:39:21.460 They held

00:39:22.760 his head

00:39:23.460 and with 0.91

00:39:25.040 like a sword,

00:39:26.700 a giant knife,

00:39:28.060 they severed

00:39:29.000 his neck 0.86

00:39:30.160 and cut 1.00

00:39:30.760 his head 1.00

00:39:31.380 off his body

00:39:32.240 and they

00:39:32.680 broadcast it

00:39:33.960 to the world.

00:39:36.660 And used it

00:39:37.600 to recruit people

00:39:38.460 on top of that.

00:39:39.100 Yes,

00:39:39.220 it's how they

00:39:40.040 brought in

00:39:40.680 other religious

00:39:41.880 fanatics 0.99

00:39:42.460 and psychopaths

00:39:43.600 who wanted 0.63

00:39:44.020 to murder 0.97

00:39:44.440 Americans. 0.99

00:39:45.460 And this

00:39:47.100 administration

00:39:47.700 does not

00:39:48.500 take fighting

00:39:49.220 that evil

00:39:49.820 seriously.

00:39:52.160 And,

00:39:52.760 you know...

00:39:55.480 Let me ask

00:39:56.140 this,

00:39:56.340 what can we

00:39:56.820 do?

00:39:57.140 I mean,

00:39:57.400 is this where

00:39:58.020 we say,

00:39:58.660 hey,

00:39:59.580 if you're a

00:40:00.140 listener and

00:40:00.800 there are

00:40:01.500 hundreds of

00:40:02.400 thousands of

00:40:03.100 you that will

00:40:03.480 hear this,

00:40:04.640 do they need

00:40:05.220 to all call

00:40:05.920 their congressman

00:40:06.640 centers and

00:40:07.100 say,

00:40:07.320 hey,

00:40:07.620 you need to

00:40:08.080 stand up for

00:40:08.540 the victims

00:40:09.360 of 9-11

00:40:09.960 and say no

00:40:10.700 to this plea

00:40:11.160 deal and put

00:40:11.960 pressure on the

00:40:12.480 White House?

00:40:13.000 We need to

00:40:13.620 speak out if

00:40:14.320 you care

00:40:15.000 about the

00:40:15.600 heroes of

00:40:16.280 9-11.

00:40:17.360 If you care

00:40:18.060 about the

00:40:18.500 firefighters and

00:40:19.560 the police

00:40:20.240 officers who

00:40:21.080 rushed into

00:40:22.480 those towers,

00:40:23.460 who rushed

00:40:23.980 into the

00:40:24.560 Pentagon to

00:40:25.220 pull soldiers,

00:40:27.140 burning soldiers

00:40:27.980 out of harm's 0.62

00:40:28.740 way,

00:40:29.080 who lost

00:40:29.600 their lives,

00:40:30.860 if you care

00:40:32.460 about that,

00:40:33.660 speak out and

00:40:34.660 demand justice.

00:40:36.140 And by the way,

00:40:36.840 I'm going to

00:40:37.060 make a prediction

00:40:37.680 as well,

00:40:39.180 which is that

00:40:40.600 these are not

00:40:42.540 the only

00:40:43.100 mass murderers

00:40:44.160 that I think 0.91

00:40:45.260 this administration

00:40:46.060 is going to

00:40:46.740 refuse to

00:40:47.600 follow federal

00:40:48.280 law and

00:40:49.300 impose the

00:40:49.820 death penalty. 0.84

00:40:50.140 I'm going to 0.98

00:40:50.380 make a prediction

00:40:50.860 right now,

00:40:51.540 which is Joe

00:40:52.100 Biden,

00:40:53.080 before he

00:40:53.940 leaves the

00:40:54.540 White House,

00:40:55.840 will commute

00:40:56.700 the sentence

00:40:57.400 of every

00:40:58.580 federal prisoner

00:41:00.160 on death row,

00:41:01.740 that he will do

00:41:02.320 it for every

00:41:03.000 one of them,

00:41:03.560 and that

00:41:04.220 includes,

00:41:05.240 it includes

00:41:06.300 the white

00:41:07.200 supremacist 1.00

00:41:08.120 and Nazi 1.00

00:41:09.020 who murdered

00:41:10.740 nine African

00:41:11.640 Americans at

00:41:12.400 the Mother

00:41:12.780 Emanuel AME

00:41:14.040 Church in

00:41:14.660 Charleston,

00:41:15.280 South Carolina,

00:41:16.460 in a horrific

00:41:17.380 hate crime.

00:41:18.220 He's on

00:41:18.660 federal death

00:41:19.240 row.

00:41:19.860 It includes

00:41:20.920 the Boston

00:41:21.580 bomber who

00:41:22.840 murdered innocent

00:41:23.680 people by 0.51

00:41:24.380 exploding a 0.98

00:41:25.160 bomb at the

00:41:25.780 Boston Marathon.

00:41:27.240 One of the

00:41:27.920 two brothers is

00:41:28.660 still alive.

00:41:29.360 He's on

00:41:29.840 death row.

00:41:31.400 And my

00:41:32.020 prediction right

00:41:32.840 now is Joe

00:41:34.740 Biden intends

00:41:35.940 to spare

00:41:37.360 every one of

00:41:38.340 these mass 0.99

00:41:38.980 murderers. 0.92

00:41:39.620 Every one of 0.97

00:41:40.360 them, many

00:41:40.820 of them, are 1.00

00:41:41.860 racist, bigoted, 1.00

00:41:43.560 homicidal lunatics. 1.00

00:41:45.820 And I think 0.99

00:41:47.200 we're going to

00:41:47.600 see him commute

00:41:48.540 all of their

00:41:49.700 sentences before

00:41:50.460 he leaves the

00:41:50.980 White House.

00:41:51.580 Well, if you

00:41:52.020 won't take out

00:41:53.280 the mastermind

00:41:54.000 of 9-11, and

00:41:55.480 you won't give

00:41:56.440 him the death

00:41:56.960 penalty, is

00:41:57.840 there anyone

00:41:58.360 that you'll

00:41:58.940 give it to?

00:41:59.800 I mean, it

00:42:00.440 doesn't get any

00:42:02.460 worse than this.

00:42:04.000 And the number

00:42:04.520 of people that

00:42:05.040 he killed,

00:42:05.940 and the number

00:42:06.540 of people

00:42:06.760 killed before

00:42:07.260 9-11, and

00:42:08.060 the number

00:42:08.300 of people he

00:42:08.740 killed after

00:42:09.240 9-11, and

00:42:09.860 the number

00:42:10.140 of people

00:42:10.480 that he

00:42:10.720 recruited to 0.98

00:42:11.400 kill men, 0.99

00:42:12.300 it's not just 0.98

00:42:13.140 9-11 that

00:42:13.760 Khalid Sheikh

00:42:14.160 Mohammed and

00:42:14.460 these other

00:42:14.720 four did.

00:42:15.400 It was what

00:42:16.200 they did after

00:42:16.880 9-11, when

00:42:17.740 we showed up

00:42:18.480 in Iraq and

00:42:19.300 Afghanistan, and

00:42:20.540 the recruitment

00:42:21.160 that they did

00:42:21.760 online to

00:42:22.540 bring in the

00:42:23.140 jihadists to

00:42:23.780 come after and 1.00

00:42:24.420 kill American 1.00

00:42:25.020 soldiers and 1.00

00:42:25.660 our allies.

00:42:27.020 The number

00:42:28.020 of people who

00:42:29.000 died is in

00:42:29.600 the thousands

00:42:30.220 and thousands

00:42:31.220 because of

00:42:32.720 their actions

00:42:33.500 before 9-11

00:42:34.620 that day, and

00:42:36.720 after 9-11,

00:42:37.820 when they, in

00:42:38.220 their words, they

00:42:39.120 were just getting

00:42:39.860 started.

00:42:40.440 They wanted that

00:42:41.200 catalyst.

00:42:41.860 That was the

00:42:42.460 firework to

00:42:44.240 ignite the war

00:42:45.420 with the United

00:42:47.300 States of

00:42:47.800 America.

00:42:48.180 They wanted

00:42:48.720 that war, and

00:42:50.060 that was their

00:42:50.700 goal.

00:42:51.240 And now to

00:42:51.720 give them a

00:42:52.320 plea deal, I

00:42:54.480 think is maybe

00:42:55.560 the worst thing

00:42:56.320 that Joe Biden

00:42:57.500 has ever done

00:42:58.260 to, if he

00:42:58.760 allows this to

00:42:59.360 happen.

00:42:59.780 Clearly it's

00:43:00.280 coming from

00:43:00.720 his directive.

00:43:01.920 I hope

00:43:02.220 everybody that's

00:43:02.860 listening, and

00:43:03.240 I just, I

00:43:03.820 don't, we

00:43:04.380 look, we

00:43:04.860 have commercials

00:43:06.040 that we do

00:43:06.600 folks, and

00:43:07.540 I'm just not

00:43:09.000 going to do

00:43:09.400 them anymore

00:43:10.080 tonight.

00:43:10.520 I don't want

00:43:11.140 to do them.

00:43:11.820 I think this

00:43:12.360 is more

00:43:12.740 important, and

00:43:14.020 I just don't

00:43:14.980 feel comfortable

00:43:15.760 doing that.

00:43:16.600 We'll get back

00:43:17.680 to what we

00:43:18.540 have to do

00:43:19.100 for the show,

00:43:19.560 but I'm just

00:43:20.000 going to say

00:43:20.480 now, it's

00:43:21.100 more important

00:43:21.680 that you guys

00:43:22.100 share this with

00:43:22.720 your family and

00:43:23.300 friends.

00:43:24.260 Share it on

00:43:24.840 social media.

00:43:25.940 No one is

00:43:26.680 covering this,

00:43:27.560 and we need

00:43:28.340 to make sure

00:43:29.220 that everybody

00:43:29.840 hears about

00:43:30.740 this before

00:43:31.800 Monday or

00:43:32.340 Tuesday of

00:43:33.540 next week, so

00:43:34.480 that there is

00:43:34.960 total outrage at

00:43:37.180 this administration

00:43:38.200 and anyone that

00:43:39.400 supports this.

00:43:41.360 Call your

00:43:42.160 congressman, call

00:43:43.160 your senator,

00:43:43.860 wherever you

00:43:44.540 live, let them

00:43:45.880 know that this

00:43:46.780 is something, as

00:43:47.580 an American, you're

00:43:48.360 not okay with.

00:43:49.640 Please put this

00:43:50.660 episode up where

00:43:51.420 other people see

00:43:52.080 it, and be

00:43:53.380 activists on

00:43:54.020 social media

00:43:54.440 yourself.

00:43:55.040 Write your own

00:43:56.060 thoughts on this.

00:43:56.660 Demand that

00:43:58.060 the media

00:43:58.520 actually cover

00:44:00.040 the news

00:44:00.860 instead of

00:44:02.280 just being

00:44:02.820 partisan

00:44:03.240 propagandists.

00:44:04.580 Yeah, I

00:44:05.040 couldn't agree

00:44:05.500 more.

00:44:05.900 Senator, this

00:44:07.400 is when I

00:44:07.820 do, I

00:44:08.420 hate this

00:44:08.940 story, but I

00:44:09.640 love that we

00:44:10.120 have this

00:44:10.500 show to do

00:44:10.920 this.

00:44:11.700 Please share

00:44:12.300 it with all

00:44:12.560 your family

00:44:12.920 and friends,

00:44:13.680 and we will

00:44:14.380 see you back

00:44:14.980 here in a

00:44:15.560 couple of

00:44:15.860 days.

00:44:17.280 This is an

00:44:17.980 iHeart Podcast.

00:44:20.180 Guaranteed

00:44:20.600 Human.

Verdict with Ted Cruz - August 18, 2023

Outrage： Biden Admin Tells 9⧸11 Families They're Considering Taking Death Penalty Off the Table for KSM, the Planner of 9⧸11

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