Verdict with Ted Cruz - July 31, 2026


Spanish Invasion & Civilizational Suicide plus Fauci Invokes the Fifth—Why & What’s Next


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00:01:41.280 Welcome.
00:01:41.940 It is Vertica Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as well.
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00:02:00.020 We've got a lot to talk about in the show, including a massive invasion of illegal immigrants in Spain.
00:02:07.560 And Dr. Fauci had a lot to say. 1.00
00:02:10.800 Sarcasm.
00:02:11.540 Insert it right there in Washington, D.C. this week.
00:02:15.040 Well, Fauci's testimony before Congress was absolutely disgraceful.
00:02:19.040 We're going to get into that in depth.
00:02:21.140 But first, we're going to talk about what is happening in Spain, because it is outrageous, it is frightening, it is terrifying.
00:02:30.600 If you have not watched these images online, if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see it on the YouTube show.
00:02:36.320 If you haven't, go and Google.
00:02:38.780 Watch it with your eyes, because I cannot, with my voice, do justice to what's happening in Spain.
00:02:45.940 Spain is being invaded. 1.00
00:02:48.460 Thousands upon thousands of people from Morocco are coming over, one after the other, after the other. 1.00
00:02:55.800 And there's not another word to describe it. 1.00
00:02:58.680 It is an invasion.
00:03:00.740 It reminds me very much of what happened in Texas on the southern border, and in particular in Del Rio.
00:03:08.600 And if you remember Del Rio, which is a town in the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas, it's a town of about 30,000 people.
00:03:16.800 And in one day, more than 10,000 Haitian illegal immigrants crossed the Rio Grande, crossed into the United States, into the small town of Del Rio. 0.98
00:03:28.960 It was an absolute invasion. 0.89
00:03:30.960 I was there.
00:03:31.700 I was there.
00:03:32.660 In fact, I filmed it and put out the video of what was happening in Del Rio.
00:03:37.320 You had thousands upon thousands of Haitians under a bridge, under a giant overpass. 1.00
00:03:42.540 And it looked like the third world. 0.98
00:03:45.700 It was suddenly in America. 0.88
00:03:46.800 It looked like you were in Haiti.
00:03:48.240 They were just basically shanty towns.
00:03:50.400 Yeah.
00:03:50.700 And it was designed by the Biden administration and the drug cartels.
00:03:55.880 The Mexican cartels made the decision to send the Haitians to the southern border, to Del Rio, and to send them over to an invasion. 0.99
00:04:02.960 And the Democrats welcomed them. 0.83
00:04:05.760 Well, the same thing is happening in Spain, and it is horrifying.
00:04:10.280 And I say this without hyperbole.
00:04:13.360 i think we are witnessing civilization civilizational suicide in europe i agree they
00:04:21.620 are destroying the great nations of europe and understand this is not happening accidentally 0.51
00:04:27.960 it's just like what happened in texas for the four years of the biden administration
00:04:34.620 where the invasion was by design,
00:04:38.760 the left hates the West.
00:04:42.860 Yep.
00:04:43.480 This is what Mondami and the other communists wants.
00:04:47.600 This is what the DSA wants.
00:04:49.220 When they say open borders,
00:04:50.860 when they say abolish ICE,
00:04:52.920 they want this invasion for the same purpose.
00:04:57.340 It's the same reason the socialists in Spain,
00:05:00.480 who unfortunately are in control of that government,
00:05:02.900 They want to destroy Spanish civilization.
00:05:06.800 And tragically, these American leftists want to destroy American civilization.
00:05:11.500 You know, I was talking about this earlier today, and I want to get your take on this.
00:05:14.200 But one of the things I said was, I think part of the reason why we're witnessing these types of invasions,
00:05:19.440 and really it's happening not just in Spain, but we're seeing massive illegal immigration numbers all throughout Europe that have spiked.
00:05:27.060 And as you described it, I think it's spot on that we're watching the crumbling of civilization
00:05:32.880 and actually having pride in a nation, right?
00:05:35.820 You just get rid of the nation.
00:05:37.080 It's kumbayaism of the left and the commies and the socialists.
00:05:40.080 But I also think part of why this is happening right now in Europe is Donald Trump won re-election,
00:05:46.920 got back to the White House by saying, I'm going to secure the southern border
00:05:50.500 and I'm going to stop the invasion that you're witnessing on TV, the videos that you took.
00:05:55.600 I still go back to that moment where I think we saw the tide change, and that was when the federal government under the Biden administration used that forklift and raised up that barbed wire in Texas, and people came flooding into America.
00:06:09.540 That, for me, was a picture is worth right, a thousand words, however you want to describe it.
00:06:14.240 But when you can't come to America anymore, the way that you were able to by the millions and millions under the Biden and the Obama administration combined and the leftist policies, where are you going to go next?
00:06:26.460 Europe. Europe would be your next stop.
00:06:29.000 And now they're getting what would have a lot of people that probably would have tried to keep coming to America if the Democrats were in charge. 0.92
00:06:35.940 Well, and this is also the Islamization of Europe. 0.98
00:06:40.760 These illegal immigrants that are invading the country, they are essentially entirely Muslim. 1.00
00:06:48.140 And you're saying, you know, there was a meme online that showed President Trump flying in Air Force One and looking out the window and saying, my goodness, Pakistan is just horrible what's happening there. 1.00
00:07:02.920 And an aide stops and says, Mr. President, that's London. 0.51
00:07:06.600 Yeah.
00:07:07.460 Like, Europe is deliberately, and we're seeing this throughout Europe, has allowed the entire continent to face an invasion from the Middle East, face an invasion from Africa, and it has changed the underlying character of the continent. 0.88
00:07:23.520 And you're seeing the consequences.
00:07:27.500 Look, I think Europe is foreshadowing where the United States will go if we don't stop this.
00:07:34.880 Amen.
00:07:34.980 And it's about 10 years ahead of us.
00:07:37.600 So in some ways, you can look to Spain, and it's like you're looking at a crystal ball.
00:07:43.660 You can see, and by the way, it'll happen faster than 10 years if, God forbid, Elizabeth Warren or Gavin Newsom or AOC becomes president.
00:07:54.800 The same invasion we're seeing in Spain, the same invasion that we saw under Joe Biden will happen again. 0.75
00:08:02.160 And the reason is the same, because the left, they want these illegal immigrants to destroy Western civilization, to destroy American civilization, to tear down the Constitution, the foundations of free enterprise, the foundations of rule of law.
00:08:22.500 And, you know, I have to wonder what a typical Spanish citizen is thinking right now. 0.99
00:08:32.040 And listen, what I fear is that what they might be thinking is the same thing that the idiot voters who voted for Mandami and the other communists in America are thinking, which is this is a great thing. 0.99
00:08:45.600 This is a wonderful thing. 0.99
00:08:46.660 I don't know if they're looking away and just just averting their eyes or if they think, wonderful, what a blessing.
00:08:53.940 But I'll tell you one thing that is deeply chilling about these images, the videos that are coming up, the videos I saw, there was not a single woman or there was not a single single child.
00:09:05.220 Yeah. These are all military age men.
00:09:09.380 They're men from about 15 to about 40.
00:09:13.340 Yeah. And they're coming one after the other after the other.
00:09:16.660 after the other and and and by the way like one one fellow on twitter put it put out a very good
00:09:21.240 question he said what what is the purpose of having an army if thousands of foreign invaders
00:09:30.660 can just cross your border and invade your country because that is what is happening
00:09:36.420 and and by the way no vetting let's be clear they there was a there was a there was a a a 0.85
00:09:42.980 A really interesting video that got released showed the government opening up a gate and allowing men.
00:09:48.900 There was no women or children.
00:09:50.480 Hundreds and hundreds were rushing.
00:09:51.960 I don't know how deep it was.
00:09:53.260 I mean, it could be thousands and thousands.
00:09:55.280 No one is vetting if these are terrorists, if they're drug cartel members, if they're setting up human traps.
00:10:00.900 And we know they are.
00:10:02.660 We know that there are terrorists among them. 1.00
00:10:04.560 We know that there are cartel members and criminals and murderers and rapists.
00:10:09.180 We know that because that's what happened in America.
00:10:11.120 It's what's happening there, too.
00:10:12.220 and it is part of the left's design.
00:10:15.060 The left will say the same thing that we heard
00:10:17.920 when they were basically justifying the invasion into the United States of America.
00:10:22.320 These are families.
00:10:23.800 These are women and children. 1.00
00:10:25.380 They're just looking for a better life. 1.00
00:10:27.400 You go down to the Rio Grande, you go down to the border,
00:10:29.960 and what we were witnessing coming across the border was not a lot of families.
00:10:33.940 It was a lot of military-age men as well.
00:10:36.180 It was people that were smuggling people.
00:10:38.040 They would act like a child was their child when it actually really even was not their child.
00:10:43.500 By the way, the Biden administration lost well over 100,000 kids that they gave to people in the U.S.
00:10:49.320 and just disappeared into society.
00:10:51.600 God knows what's happening to some of them even to this day.
00:10:55.120 But you look at Spain.
00:10:57.200 This invasion terrifies me from a standpoint, Senator, that it's clear that there's somebody behind it.
00:11:04.680 It is orchestrated in a way where it is the military-aged men.
00:11:08.640 It's almost like they're saying, we can set up a network.
00:11:11.800 We can make a ton of money.
00:11:13.680 We can set up drug cartels and drugs coming through, human trafficking.
00:11:19.000 It's setting up an apparatus.
00:11:21.320 And then, as you mentioned, we know people on the terrorist watch list are coming across our southern border.
00:11:25.900 We caught a lot of them.
00:11:27.760 We don't know how many we didn't catch or sleeper cells.
00:11:30.700 They're even in America right now.
00:11:32.680 Trump administration working on that.
00:11:34.020 But that's part of this conversation we have to talk about.
00:11:38.500 Well, and what happened in the United States under Biden and the Democrats was even worse.
00:11:43.100 There were many military-age men who came over.
00:11:45.140 There were also families.
00:11:46.340 There were also children.
00:11:47.380 The children who were physically abused, sexually abused by the human traffickers, by adult men who essentially rented children.
00:11:55.840 Because for a time, the policy was if you arrived with a child, you got to stay.
00:11:59.960 And so you saw the same children rented over and over again.
00:12:03.100 And by the way, it wasn't just more than 100,000 children the Biden administration lost.
00:12:07.280 It was more than 300,000 children that they lost, that they had in government custody, unaccompanied minors, and they handed to adults, and they don't know where they are.
00:12:16.780 They just lost them.
00:12:17.500 one of the most important things the Trump administration has been doing is going and
00:12:21.960 finding many of those kids and rescuing some of those kids from sexual assault, from being
00:12:27.600 sexually trafficked, from being in child labor situations, from being physically abused.
00:12:33.060 And the Democrats didn't care. They didn't care. They didn't do anything. And by the way,
00:12:36.980 the press didn't care. They didn't care about the kids being abused. But I will tell you at
00:12:40.960 the southern border, there were also times where you saw a large influx of military age men. I've
00:12:46.320 been down the southern border during biden when i saw for example groups of chinese men now yeah
00:12:52.880 the last i checked i'm no geography expert but china is not below our southern border uh but yet
00:12:59.880 they were being brought in by human traffickers all the way from china i was told by by customs
00:13:05.580 and border patrol that the going rate for a chinese illegal immigrant to pay the coyotes
00:13:10.340 was $50,000 to come into this country, and I saw groups just sitting there of military-age men
00:13:18.760 by the hundreds in groups with no kids among them and all Chinese that had been apprehended 0.77
00:13:26.960 and that the Biden administration was releasing into this country, and I guarantee you a significant 0.77
00:13:31.720 number of those Chinese military-age men are working for the Chinese Communist Party as spies 0.88
00:13:37.700 or other subversives doing damage to this country. 0.74
00:13:41.340 But look, one of the things that we now know conclusively for a fact
00:13:47.480 is that being subject to invasion is a choice.
00:13:53.400 Yes.
00:13:53.940 It's not an accident.
00:13:55.240 It's not something.
00:13:56.480 Look, during the Biden administration,
00:13:58.160 one of the talking points that Biden used,
00:14:00.760 that Kamala Harris used, that Alejandro Mayorkas used,
00:14:03.700 is, well, we're trying, we just can't.
00:14:05.660 We're just unable to stop it.
00:14:07.140 it's just you know i'm sorry we're not we're not very good at it uh they also by the way tried
00:14:11.580 tried the gaslighting of saying the border is secure everything's fine don't believe your lying
00:14:17.300 eyes yeah and we now know 100 certainty that was a lie how do we know that because the instant
00:14:28.140 donald trump came back into the white house illegal border crossings dropped 99 yeah so the
00:14:35.400 statement that they couldn't secure the border was proven exactly false and the only thing that
00:14:43.320 changed is you had a president who would suddenly follow the law and and and there is one policy
00:14:50.400 question that determines illegal immigration more than anything else and it's not it's not
00:14:56.840 first of all a wall or or personnel or boots on the ground or anything else it's one simple
00:15:02.200 policy question what happens when you apprehend someone here illegally yep and if the answer is 0.96
00:15:10.660 that you put them on a plane you put them on a bus and you send them back to the country they
00:15:18.300 came from everyone who comes to this country illegally or just about every person is carrying 0.97
00:15:22.860 with them a cell phone and what happens is when you start flying them home they call call on the 0.99
00:15:27.560 phone and they tell their friends, they tell their relatives, don't come. They won't let you stay
00:15:32.320 and the numbers drop immediately. That's what happened at the beginning of the Trump
00:15:35.760 administration. The same thing happens on the flip side. So what Joe Biden and the Democrats
00:15:41.160 did is they just ignored federal immigration law. Federal immigration law says illegal immigrants
00:15:45.700 who are detained shall be detained, shall be deported. Shall is a mandatory legal word. 1.00
00:15:50.840 And they just said, we don't care. Doesn't matter what the law is. We're not going to follow it.
00:15:54.600 And again, they all have cell phones.
00:15:57.040 So once they discover, hey, when we get here, they let us go, they can pick up the phone and call home.
00:16:01.680 Now, I want to read to you what Pedro Sanchez, who is the socialist prime minister of Spain, said about this invasion.
00:16:10.120 He sent out a tweet that says, quote,
00:16:12.320 The government of Spain is fully committed to providing an immediate response to the situation in Ceuta.
00:16:18.560 We are mobilizing all necessary resources, working with Moroccan and international authorities, and preparing the necessary measures to restore normalcy as soon as possible.
00:16:29.880 I just conveyed this to President Juan Vivas-Ladar.
00:16:33.820 This is the moment to build solutions with responsibility and cooperation.
00:16:41.240 Now, that is leftist code word for we are going to do nothing.
00:16:46.740 Yeah.
00:16:46.880 Although, what he may try to do, we are going to ask that they invade our country slightly less blatantly so that we don't have images of them invading by the thousands.
00:17:00.700 Just spread it out a little. 1.00
00:17:01.920 We're fine being invaded by a Muslim horde that is destroying Spain, but just don't make it so obvious we can't ignore it. 1.00
00:17:11.480 That's what he is meaning. 1.00
00:17:14.420 That's what he is saying.
00:17:15.800 and and and it is it is the agenda not just of the european socialist it is the agenda of mandami it
00:17:24.540 is the agenda bernie sanders it is the agenda of just about every single democrat in the congress
00:17:30.220 when the dsa says we want open borders they mean it they want our civilization destroyed
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00:20:15.800 breakdown center uh anthony fauci the guy that told you how who you could eat with how far you
00:20:21.260 had to stay away from somebody when you could go to church couldn't go to church uh you know
00:20:25.620 bankrupted a lot of small businesses you know that anthony fauci who also told you if you just got
00:20:30.840 that shot we were going to stop the spread in two weeks and yeah it took two years of your kids
00:20:35.400 you know education away from them but that guy who always found the cameras now all of a sudden
00:20:41.220 he's wanting to be really quiet well we had a modern day miracle play out in in washington dc
00:20:48.840 Number one, a legitimate saint, a saint who saved the world, came to Congress.
00:20:55.760 And number two, a man who had an opinion on everything, who knew the answer to every question,
00:21:01.340 who simply shared his wisdom with us in volcanic eruptions, suddenly had nothing to say. 0.60
00:21:09.620 If you were pissed off at the Moroccan invasion of Spain, I promise you, you were every bit as pissed off
00:21:17.920 at watching the pious, self-righteous Anthony Fauci come before Congress this week. 0.93
00:21:25.680 Now, he gave a really detailed explanation of all of his wisdom about the COVID pandemic.
00:21:33.940 I want you to listen to the entirety of his opening statement.
00:21:38.300 By the way, it's incredible.
00:21:40.480 You don't even need to take a sip of water.
00:21:42.580 It'll be over that fast.
00:21:43.780 Take a listen.
00:21:44.340 Although it pains me to do so because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decades long record of cooperating with Congress under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions.
00:22:09.360 Thank you.
00:22:09.940 By the way, Senator, he's not lying in that statement when he said, my lawyers.
00:22:15.460 He came in with a, I mean, an army of lawyers behind him.
00:22:21.700 Well, he did.
00:22:23.160 And mind you, this is someone who just a couple of years ago in 2022 said he, quote, had nothing to hide.
00:22:35.220 And in 2022, he told CNN, quote, I am very happy to testify before any congressional oversight committee here.
00:22:45.100 Give a listen to what he said back in 2022.
00:22:47.540 Well, if I become a punching bag, I'm a punching bag.
00:22:50.860 But I am very happy to testify before any congressional oversight committee.
00:22:56.060 I have nothing to hide. I have I can explain and validate everything that I've done.
00:23:02.380 And so, you know, it's going to be inconvenient if they actually are out there essentially threatening to make my life miserable.
00:23:08.900 But it's I mean, I'm going to do what I need to do, and that is cooperate fully because we have nothing to hide at all.
00:23:17.140 OK, now I got to ask a technicality question here, because for people that are listening, can you explain to me you get a preemptive pardon?
00:23:27.780 in theory shouldn't that senator just free you up to do exactly what the 2022 Anthony Fauci had to
00:23:35.640 say there that hey I'll testify before anybody I'll tell you anything I've already been pardoned
00:23:41.460 why would your attorneys and it was an army of attorneys that came with him to Capitol Hill
00:23:45.880 tell you not to answer any questions at all if you've already been pardoned because a pardon
00:23:52.440 is retrospective a pardon immunizes him for criminal conduct he committed in the past
00:23:59.600 prior to the day that joe biden pardoned him the pardon does not immunize him for crimes that he
00:24:07.120 commits in the future and the reason he pleaded the fifth is his alternative is he was going to
00:24:12.880 lie through his teeth and lying under oath to congress is a felony punishable by serious jail
00:24:21.480 time. That's the reason he pleaded the fifth, not because of past conduct, but because he intended
00:24:27.140 a lie. And listen, two significant things changed. Number one, Merrick Garland is no longer Attorney
00:24:37.720 General. The corrupt, politicized Biden Department of Justice is no longer there. He could say,
00:24:44.440 I'm very happy to testify before Congress, because he could get up and brazenly lie with no
00:24:51.100 compunction because the chance i mean i mean he could it didn't matter what he said it didn't
00:24:56.780 matter what he did he could have shot someone in a congressional hearing and the biden department
00:25:03.260 of justice was not going to do anything about it they knew he was lying they didn't care they
00:25:08.680 wanted him to lie it's not even they didn't care they wanted him to lie the trump department of
00:25:15.560 justice if he lies under oath you better believe they will prosecute him and put him in jail
00:25:21.660 so but but the critical admission is that means he intended to lie in this hearing now what's
00:25:28.280 the second thing that changed the second thing that changed is his diary came out yes one hell
00:25:36.700 of a diary by the way senator by the way i gotta ask do you do it no you do it no i don't know by
00:25:42.260 the way i don't understand anybody that does that's like our age i i don't get it i've never
00:25:47.580 understood it but like this diary was like a manifesto for narcissism like if you want to say
00:25:54.180 hey if you've got a daughter just tell them don't ever marry a guy that does this like writes this
00:25:59.480 way talks this way about himself it wasn't i mean it's off the chains narcissism well look that 0.99
00:26:05.180 that's not an exaggeration the diary demonstrates this man is a narcissistic sociopath
00:26:11.480 where where he number one is a brazen liar but he is so self-centered and we on on monday's podcast
00:26:19.600 we we went into depth on in terms of what the diary said but but here's his problem so for
00:26:25.220 example one of the things the diary said is that he knew early in the pandemic he said we now know
00:26:31.640 that the covid virus did not come from the chinese wet market yep now mind you he later on decided
00:26:39.680 no, I don't want people to know that the COVID virus came from the Wuhan Institute for Virology,
00:26:46.420 because if they know that, they're going to figure out that it was created or modified
00:26:51.760 with gain-of-function research paid for by Dr. Anthony Fauci, that he was responsible
00:26:57.860 for funding the research that created or modified the COVID virus to make it more transmissible,
00:27:05.800 to make it more deadly, to make it target humans more effectively.
00:27:11.760 And so he was covering up his own culpability when he spread the story.
00:27:18.120 Oh, this came from just, you know, bats at the wet market.
00:27:21.560 We know in writing, he said early on, we know for a fact this did not originate in the wet market.
00:27:29.180 The wet market simply amplified it, but it did not originate there.
00:27:34.120 So, why did he plead the fifth?
00:27:36.800 Because if he repeated that lie, he would immediately be confronted with his diary.
00:27:43.620 And he would be asked, were you lying when you told Congress the opposite?
00:27:50.880 That's a great point.
00:27:52.000 And his choice would be one of two things. 0.89
00:27:55.200 Number one, admit, yes, I'm a liar.
00:27:58.920 Don't believe anything I said.
00:28:00.620 And mind you, when I say narcissist, remember, this is someone who in the midst of COVID
00:28:04.640 said, when you criticize me, you are criticizing science.
00:28:11.740 Yes, science.
00:28:12.760 I am the science.
00:28:14.680 And science was like a trademark.
00:28:16.160 I mean, he embodied science. 0.96
00:28:18.600 And he's not capable of saying, I'm an unprincipled, shameless liar. 0.56
00:28:24.580 So the alternative is, he would lie and say, no, no, no, I was telling the truth. 0.88
00:28:28.320 That would be perjury.
00:28:29.420 or it's actually not perjury. Technically, it's lying under oath, which is different from perjury,
00:28:33.420 but punishable the same as a felony. And so likewise, another instance, he says in his
00:28:43.020 diary how proud he was, how thrilled he was when he called Democrat politicians in New York
00:28:49.600 and in California and convinced them to shut down schools, convinced them to shut down churches,
00:28:54.760 convinced them to shut down small businesses. And those decisions had catastrophically
00:29:00.000 devastating consequences. Shutting down the schools, I think we will look back in history
00:29:06.640 as the school shutdown as the most inexplicable, damaging public policy decision of modern times.
00:29:14.840 The data now show that because tens of millions of kids had their schools shut down for more than a
00:29:21.080 year by Democrat politicians, that we have witnessed the single largest learning loss
00:29:27.060 in recorded history since we began measuring it. We also saw the racial gap, the divide between
00:29:32.800 African-American kids and white kids, and the divide between Hispanic kids and white kids grow
00:29:37.640 more during the COVID shutdowns than again in any period since we began measuring it.
00:29:43.540 Well, after everyone saw what a disaster the shutdowns were, Fauci repeatedly went on TV
00:29:50.860 He had said, oh, I didn't urge shutdowns.
00:29:52.740 I wasn't in favor of shutdowns.
00:29:54.020 No, no, no.
00:29:54.240 That wasn't me.
00:29:54.900 That wasn't me.
00:29:55.420 That wasn't me.
00:29:56.440 We now know, we knew it then, but we now know conclusively out of his own words in the diary, that was a lie.
00:30:04.020 He didn't want to be questioned about that lie, which is why he said, you know how many times he pleaded the fifth?
00:30:11.800 Like 111, 110 times.
00:30:14.020 It was crazy.
00:30:15.780 111 times. 0.72
00:30:17.680 It was utterly, utterly shameless.
00:30:20.860 Watching him 111 times plead the fifth and refuse to answer anything was infuriating.
00:30:28.620 And also the contemptuous arrogance with which he did so made it even more infuriating.
00:30:33.280 Here, listen to this exchange where Josh Hawley's questioning him.
00:30:37.980 What day of the week is it today?
00:30:41.120 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
00:30:48.260 What color tie are you wearing?
00:30:50.860 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
00:30:58.160 What color is the carpet in front of you?
00:31:03.040 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
00:31:10.160 I mean, you couldn't have written this type of absurdity compared to the entire Anthony Fauci we've known, you know, post-COVID-19.
00:31:24.400 Yeah, look, that's right, and he's going to have a real problem.
00:31:29.900 So the next step is going to be a vote to hold him in contempt of Congress.
00:31:35.780 Yes, and that was announced by Senator Paul, like, instantly afterwards.
00:31:39.240 Yes, yes. And listen, it starts with a vote in HISGAC, the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, which ran chairs.
00:31:48.000 And that's where Fauci was testifying and where he was subpoenaed.
00:31:52.360 And my full expectation is that that vote will be party line, that that committee has an 8-7 Republican majority.
00:32:00.740 So I'm assuming all eight Republicans will vote for it.
00:32:04.340 And I assume all seven Democrats will vote against it.
00:32:07.360 And then it will go to the floor and we'll have some procedural wrangling and battling.
00:32:14.080 It may well require 60 votes, but we'll see how that fight goes.
00:32:19.760 But either way, Fauci is going to have a real problem claiming that the Fifth Amendment right protects him because he has a blanket pardon.
00:32:34.520 So once you have a pardon, the same thing is true like once you're given immunity, you can't claim the Fifth because the Fifth Amendment is a right to be protected from legal jeopardy, and a pardon makes the legal jeopardy go away.
00:32:46.440 And so his argument for refusing to answer questions about the past is a really weak argument.
00:32:54.880 I assume he will do some version of saying, well, this is a perjury trap.
00:32:59.940 They're trying to trap me in perjury.
00:33:02.060 there's a simple response to that is the way to avoid a perjury trap is don't lie yeah tell the
00:33:10.260 truth and and i know the guy is an inveterate liar and he can't help himself but you know
00:33:18.220 he could just agree with what he wrote in his diary i don't know if his position was i was
00:33:23.760 lying to my diary and and by the way when it comes to a narcissist you also see him just so excited
00:33:29.920 Oh, CNN's calling. Oh, this place is calling. Oh, they love me. Oh, I'm a rock star. Oh, they're jealous of me. Oh, I'm so cool. Oh, I'm so amazing. Like it really was, I mean, there are aspects of the diary that almost read like the Unabomber manifesto. I mean, it's, it is.
00:33:46.920 is not even giving it a fair assessment like that's under that that's that's too mild in my
00:33:53.820 opinion yeah no and and this was so so look i will enthusiastically vote to hold anthony fauci
00:34:03.820 in contempt so what does that mean though for like average americans that say okay so what like
00:34:10.640 then what happens uh the department of justice can can prosecute the contempt holding so you
00:34:17.940 recall back during uh during obama uh the house of representatives voted to hold eric holder the
00:34:26.120 attorney general in contempt yep uh that contempt uh finding is not self-executing what happens then
00:34:34.500 and and the house did it during during obama as they referred it to the justice department now
00:34:38.400 The person who made the decision what to do on that would be Eric Holder.
00:34:42.540 And oddly enough, Eric Holder did not want to prosecute Eric Holder for contempt of Congress, so he did nothing.
00:34:49.080 Yeah.
00:34:49.200 I mean, it was completely – and by the way, that's why Fauci was not worried at all about testifying before Congress as long as the Biden Justice Department was there because they will never hold him to account for anything.
00:35:03.820 He felt completely protected and immunized and safe.
00:35:08.600 It never occurred to him, like it was truly unthinkable to this narcissist that Donald
00:35:14.080 Trump could be reelected.
00:35:15.540 That is a nightmare beyond anything he could have imagined.
00:35:20.100 And now suddenly he has a Department of Justice that will hold him in contempt.
00:35:25.020 And look, my assumption, I don't know this, but I actually assume on this contempt finding,
00:35:30.200 I think all 53 Republicans would vote to hold him in contempt.
00:35:35.280 I don't know that we would lose anyone.
00:35:37.060 I hope we wouldn't.
00:35:38.080 It's certainly an easy, easy vote for me.
00:35:41.600 But look, there are some issues on which we all know, the 53 Republicans, that we lose
00:35:47.240 some on different questions.
00:35:49.500 I'd be surprised if we lost anyone.
00:35:53.200 I mean, it was – you couldn't watch this exchange without just being infuriated beyond words.
00:36:06.140 And, you know, there's just an arrogance that this man – you know, when we started the pod and I said, you know, we saw a saint testify.
00:36:19.280 the degree to which the democrats and the media deified him like like right actually saint is too
00:36:26.540 low he he was above saints he he he was a god he was a guy if they believed it if they believed in
00:36:33.780 god uh they would say that but he was he was the equivalent of a god to them and and and he still
00:36:40.540 thinks he is he thinks he is untouchable yeah it is amazing final question do you believe we will
00:36:47.800 ever see anthony fauci held accountable criminally for what he did to this country the lies he told
00:36:55.800 i mean he he ruined people's lives financially he ruined people's families he ruined people's
00:37:02.740 ability to celebrate he ruined people's ability to even like bury their family members there are
00:37:08.540 a lot of people that think the lies that he told and also i think a lot of people feel like he lied
00:37:14.520 to them straight up on the COVID-19 vaccine that you can't undo the decisions you made there?
00:37:20.400 So I don't know. I very much hope so. I believe he should be criminally prosecuted. I believe he
00:37:27.340 should go to jail. I think he's the most damaging bureaucrat in America's history. I think he
00:37:33.020 deliberately lied to the American people, lied to Congress under oath. The challenge of prosecuting
00:37:39.320 him for past crimes is the pardon. Now, there is an argument that because it was auto-penned,
00:37:44.520 you could make the argument that unless you can prove that Joe Biden was aware that he had
00:37:49.660 pardoned him and made the decision to pardon him, that the pardon is not valid, that might
00:37:55.000 possibly be litigated. I don't know what the evidence is one way or the other. Alternatively,
00:37:59.720 you could see state prosecutors, the pardon does not immunize him from liability for state
00:38:05.960 offenses. You could see state prosecutors charge him. Additionally, the pardon does not eliminate
00:38:12.140 civil liability so anyone whose lives were lost whose kids were hurt can sue the living daylights
00:38:17.880 out of them and i hope this guy gets sued for the rest of his life for the damage he did don't
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