Verdict with Ted Cruz - August 02, 2023


Trump Indictment： Political Warfare Biden-Style


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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) joins me to discuss the latest Trump Indictment, and why he thinks it's a political ploy by the Department of Justice to get Donald Trump on the campaign trail in 2020.

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00:00:05.520 Welcome.
00:00:06.320 It is a verdict with Senator Ted Cruz.
00:00:08.520 Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:09.680 The breaking news.
00:00:10.840 Biden's Department of Justice has indicted President Donald Trump yet again for new charges
00:00:15.900 related to January the 6th.
00:00:19.200 This is the same guy that's leading in the polls and some polls by as much as 50 points.
00:00:23.800 So why did this happen?
00:00:25.600 Let's go through a quick timeline for you.
00:00:27.860 June the 7th, the FBI released documents to Congress alleging that the Bidens took a
00:00:33.640 $10 million bribe from Burisma.
00:00:37.140 What happened the very next day?
00:00:39.780 June 8th, Jack Smith indicted Trump in the Mar-a-Lago document case.
00:00:45.260 Fast forward to July the 26th, Hunter Biden goes to court and rejects this sweetheart plea
00:00:51.640 deal for the judge said uh-uh after it was revealed that the Biden Department of Justice
00:00:56.580 tried to give Hunter Biden blanket immunity from all future prosecutions.
00:01:02.420 The very next day after that sweetheart deal fell apart on July the 27th, Jack Smith added
00:01:09.320 more charges for Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case.
00:01:13.500 Move just a few days later to July the 31st, Hunter Biden's former business partner testifies
00:01:20.220 to Congress, Devin Archer, that Joe Biden was on over 20 calls with his son's business partners
00:01:28.140 and that Burisma executives pressured them to fire the prosecutor.
00:01:32.940 What happened the very next day?
00:01:35.060 Jack Smith indicts Trump again for more charges related to January the 6th.
00:01:40.880 Senator, is there a coincidence with the day-after-day timeline I just gave you,
00:01:45.640 or is this possible retribution for how dare you challenge us?
00:01:50.300 Look, it is not subtle and it's not complicated.
00:01:53.640 This is straight-out election interference by the Biden Department of Justice.
00:01:57.620 We have talked at great length about how incredibly politicized the Department of Justice is.
00:02:02.280 You're right, the timing.
00:02:03.380 Every time there's a bad development on evidence of corruption or criminal misconduct by Hunter Biden,
00:02:09.240 or in particular Joe Biden, the next day you see the Department of Justice try to change the narrative,
00:02:16.220 try to break news.
00:02:17.380 I am not surprised at all that this indictment came down yesterday.
00:02:23.040 Why is that?
00:02:23.840 Because they desperately wanted to drive off of the news Devin Archer's testimony.
00:02:29.360 That was very bad for Joe Biden. 0.99
00:02:31.000 And the best way to do it is to count on the useful idiots in the media who will happily echo their latest charges against Donald Trump. 0.99
00:02:41.480 We are looking right now at three different indictments of Donald Trump, one state and two federal. 0.99
00:02:48.860 And in all likelihood we'll see a fourth indictment of Donald Trump in Atlanta from another state prosecutor.
00:02:56.160 This one was supposed to be the big enchilada.
00:03:00.240 This is the one that Democrats and the corporate media have been salivating for.
00:03:04.780 This was finally going to get him.
00:03:07.340 They are Captain Ahab and he is their Moby Dick and they want to get Donald Trump.
00:03:13.100 And I got to say, I sat down and read this indictment and my biggest sentiment was that it was thoroughly underwhelming.
00:03:21.680 There's very little there, there.
00:03:23.740 There's very little new in this indictment that you couldn't get reading the pages of the Washington Post in the days after the 2020 election leading up to January 6th.
00:03:37.160 Almost all of this has been covered in the newspapers.
00:03:40.500 And essentially what this indictment does is take all the facts.
00:03:44.800 And in particular, they really, really, really don't like that Donald Trump alleged that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election and that it changed the outcome.
00:03:55.360 Now, I get that they don't like that, but not liking it is not the same as saying Trump saying that on Twitter, on any mountaintop from which you could say it, is somehow criminal conduct.
00:04:10.160 And I think, you know, looking at this, I was surprised after all this investigation, after millions of dollars, after prosecutors with subpoena power putting people at risk of going to jail, I was surprised that there wasn't a smoking gun in here.
00:04:26.940 There wasn't something that frankly breaks news.
00:04:30.400 At this point, the only news is, aha, they indicted him and then they get to repeat everything they said for the last two years.
00:04:38.120 This is a political indictment brought by a political prosecutor working for a political attorney general, working for a political president who does not want to risk losing to Donald Trump in November of 2024.
00:04:55.720 And what Joe Biden, what Merrick Garland, what Jack Smith, what all the apparatchiks in the Biden Justice Department want is they want, number one, they want Trump to win the Republican nomination.
00:05:06.940 And they've now figured out every time they indict Trump, his numbers go up in the primary.
00:05:12.160 That makes them really happy.
00:05:14.120 They want Trump to be the nominee.
00:05:15.680 And then number two, their nirvana is to have multiple criminal trials against Donald Trump, all proceeding ideally in September and October of 2024.
00:05:27.380 And they believe they'll throw so much mud on the wall that Trump will be unelectable.
00:05:33.940 That's their political objective.
00:05:35.600 I understand why they have that political objective, but it's not the rule of law.
00:05:40.240 It's not what the Department of Justice is supposed to be doing.
00:05:42.740 My question for you and for so many Americans right now is how did we get to a point where this could even happen and how is it possible that there can be this clear in a sense transparency on the weaponization of the Department of Justice?
00:06:01.180 Where it's like, OK, every single time there's bad news for the Biden crime family, immediately we indict Donald Trump, who is hands down the frontrunner now for the GOP nomination.
00:06:11.780 Is this not political interference, the worst we've ever seen in American modern political history?
00:06:17.580 And is there anyone that can stop them from doing this?
00:06:21.940 It is almost at this point mind boggling where we are as a country in the United States of America in 2023.
00:06:29.160 Well, unfortunately, we've entered banana republic territory in over two centuries of our nation's history. 0.91
00:06:35.400 No president of the United States has ever been indicted.
00:06:39.280 We now have a former president who, as you note, is the leading opposition candidate to be the next president who's been indicted not once, not twice, but three times.
00:06:49.160 And in all likelihood, it will be four times.
00:06:51.940 That is, we're almost numb to how unprecedented that is.
00:06:59.860 If you look at this latest indictment, the circumstances of it are highly problematic.
00:07:07.260 This indictment has been brought in D.C.
00:07:10.340 The case was assigned to a federal district judge, a judge named Tanya Chutkin.
00:07:15.780 Judge Chutkin was appointed to the D.C. District Court by Barack Obama.
00:07:23.280 And she has a reputation for being far left, even by D.C. District Court standards. 1.00
00:07:30.240 Judge Chutkin, for example, has set aside numerous federal death penalty cases.
00:07:35.680 And she is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C., who has sentenced January 6th defendants to sentences longer than the government requested.
00:07:48.500 So in terms of the judge, we can anticipate a judge who is going to be relentlessly hostile to Donald Trump, who is going to bend over backwards for the Biden DOJ, and who is going to make ruling after ruling after ruling against Trump.
00:08:05.840 She wants this to go to trial.
00:08:07.640 Now, to be clear, she doesn't want this to go to trial now.
00:08:09.740 She doesn't want it to go to trial in a week.
00:08:11.100 She doesn't want it to go to trial in a month.
00:08:13.800 DOJ wants Trump to get the nomination, so this trial can't happen too quickly.
00:08:18.080 They want it to happen after he's nominated, but before the general election.
00:08:21.800 And I will tell you, if it goes to trial, you will have a jury that is drawn from the District of Columbia.
00:08:29.300 The District of Columbia is the jurisdiction in the United States that is the most Democrat of any jurisdiction in the country in terms of a district or a state.
00:08:40.900 Over 90 percent of the voters in D.C. vote Democrat, voted for Joe Biden, voted for Hillary Clinton, consistently vote Democrat.
00:08:50.400 They are not Donald Trump supporters.
00:08:53.400 The likelihood that a D.C. jury will vote to convict Donald Trump is exceptionally high, and the facts don't matter.
00:09:01.160 The laws don't matter.
00:09:02.580 They hate him.
00:09:03.960 That's a big part of the reason why the Biden DOJ wants to bring this case in D.C.,
00:09:10.260 which means with a far-left judge and a far-left jury, there is a very real possibility that Donald Trump ends up being convicted.
00:09:24.620 Now, I think on appeal, that conviction will not stand.
00:09:31.340 But it might stand in the D.C. Circuit.
00:09:34.440 An appeal would go to the D.C. Circuit.
00:09:36.240 It would depend what panel you get on the D.C. Circuit whether a conviction would stand.
00:09:41.000 I think the ultimate outcome of any Donald Trump conviction on this indictment would be a reversal in all likelihood at the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:09:52.360 I would note the last time Jack Smith played this game, the last time Jack Smith indicted a serious, credible Republican presidential candidate.
00:10:03.020 And pause for a second.
00:10:04.520 Merrick Garland and DOJ found, I think, the only guy on the planet, as far as I know,
00:10:09.180 who was previously indicted a leading candidate for president that was a Republican.
00:10:13.740 They brought him back and said, hey, you did that so well, would you do it again?
00:10:16.940 Again, the last time Jack Smith did that was Bob McDonnell, then the governor of Virginia.
00:10:23.500 He got a conviction and it went all the way to the Supreme Court and it was unanimously reversed.
00:10:30.420 But you know what?
00:10:31.340 If that happens in this case, that'll be two, three years from now.
00:10:35.480 That'll be after the election.
00:10:37.200 That will be with Bob McDonnell.
00:10:38.740 Jack Smith had done his job.
00:10:40.280 The job was not to put him in jail.
00:10:42.020 The job was to hurt him politically, to take him out, to destroy his career.
00:10:46.520 And he succeeded in doing that, even though it was lawless.
00:10:50.280 And what is dangerous about this particular indictment with a judge and a jury that are likely to be stacked against Donald Trump,
00:11:00.300 and in fact, loathe Donald Trump.
00:11:03.320 That is a very dangerous scenario that is, I think, exceptionally bad, A, for the rule of law, but B, for democracy.
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00:13:37.380 Senator, I want to ask you another question.
00:13:39.560 This is about the timing.
00:13:41.600 There was an interesting point that was made about the timing of this.
00:13:46.400 And Jonathan Turley also talked about the disinformation aspect, this indictment.
00:13:53.520 He said it's all part of the First Amendment.
00:13:55.680 Take a listen, and I want to get your take.
00:13:57.820 And one of the things I was looking for is I assumed that Smith had this type of aha moment,
00:14:03.740 that there's something in there that the January 6th committee didn't find, that supported.
00:14:09.740 We heard about witness tampering.
00:14:11.680 It's not in there.
00:14:12.840 I mean, everything in this indictment is basically what has been discussed in the news.
00:14:17.720 Now, by the way, the other thing that is not in here is conspiracy for incitement.
00:14:22.860 Not in here is a seditious conspiracy.
00:14:26.900 Those were the claims that Democrats used in the impeachment and said that the evidence was absolutely clear.
00:14:33.260 People like Schiff and others said that he's clearly guilty of those crimes.
00:14:38.760 Well, they're not in here.
00:14:40.180 Instead, he's using the favor of prosecutors, these type of conspiracy and obstruction claims.
00:14:46.380 I mean, you hear Turley talk about that, Senator.
00:14:50.140 And before we get to even just some of the timing aspects of this, the way he's describing it is this is an incredibly weak case to bring it forward.
00:14:59.900 So is it not just to tie up Donald Trump from having to deal with this and to claim that he's, you know, under indictment and he's got a mugshot and that he could go to prison?
00:15:09.380 You don't want that guy to be your president.
00:15:11.520 That's Election Interference 101.
00:15:13.880 Yeah, of course it is.
00:15:15.360 And they want to go even further.
00:15:16.640 They want a conviction.
00:15:17.540 You've got to understand this Department of Justice hates Donald Trump and they've given up any pretense of impartiality, of objectivity.
00:15:28.760 We've seen it with their complete double standard when it comes to Hunter Biden and his pattern of criminal conduct.
00:15:34.920 We've seen it with their repeated willingness to obstruct justice and cover up investigations into Joe Biden.
00:15:40.900 For them, partisan politics has superseded the responsibility of fidelity to law.
00:15:50.500 A major reason, I believe, for the timing of it is because the Devin Archer testimony was incredibly damaging to Joe Biden.
00:15:59.460 And look, let's give a real and practical example.
00:16:03.380 So this podcast is coming out Wednesday morning.
00:16:06.560 You and I got online to record it Tuesday afternoon.
00:16:12.360 We had an entire podcast planned on Devin Archer, on the testimony that was given that was highly significant, that should have led the podcast.
00:16:20.180 It should have led the news.
00:16:21.380 In any sane world, it would have led the six o'clock news everywhere.
00:16:25.240 But as we're sitting there preparing for the podcast to come out Wednesday morning,
00:16:29.600 we start getting over the phone information that Trump had tweeted out that he was going to be indicted at 5 p.m.
00:16:36.800 We were recording at about 3 p.m.
00:16:39.060 And we look at that and go, well, we can't record this if he's indicted at 5 p.m.
00:16:43.540 because the podcast will be ridiculous if it doesn't actually talk about that.
00:16:46.900 So you know what it did?
00:16:48.300 For this podcast, it drove the Devin Archer story off the news.
00:16:53.100 Now, we're going to cover Devin Archer, but it pushed it to the second half of the podcast.
00:16:56.980 And if this podcast gives in to that pressure, if it succeeds in driving Devin Archer off the front page here,
00:17:05.000 what do you think it is doing on every single corporate media and TV news station?
00:17:11.920 That was the objective.
00:17:14.040 Provide salacious news to cover up anything that hurts Joe Biden.
00:17:19.440 I do not think it is an accident that this was handed down the day after the Devin Archer testimony.
00:17:27.580 And mind you, and if you go back and listen to Monday's podcast, you know this,
00:17:31.800 the Department of Justice this weekend sent a letter to the court asking the court,
00:17:37.780 a different federal court, but the court that's considering the Devin Archer case,
00:17:40.840 and threatened him right before his congressional testimony.
00:17:45.780 This is all part and parcel of the Department of Justice operating like the legal arm of the DNC.
00:17:55.620 Senator, it's not just that, but also the media now is really trying to rewrite the story
00:18:01.700 of the corruption of Hunter Biden and the Hunter Biden criminal activity with the president of the United States of America.
00:18:09.940 They lied to the American people over and over again and helped sell the lie of the White House
00:18:14.900 that Joe Biden never spoke to his son or any of his family members about business.
00:18:19.780 Then they allowed that cover up of that lie to turn into, well,
00:18:24.500 Joe Biden was never in business with his family members or his son, Hunter Biden.
00:18:31.500 And now they're saying that the president working the phones with Hunter Biden business contacts
00:18:38.660 is literally him just being a great dad.
00:18:42.940 Now, virtually everybody in the mainstream media has been saying this over the last 24, 48 hours.
00:18:51.620 We've got a montage of it.
00:18:53.460 Take a listen.
00:18:55.220 Biden did nothing, nothing, not even approximating improper, much less wrong or illegal.
00:19:00.620 It's wishful thinking.
00:19:01.760 They're trying to create a scandal.
00:19:03.460 I think it's pretty clear, at least so far, there is nothing there.
00:19:06.720 House Republicans continue their search for any proof at all, tying President Joe Biden to his son, Hunter's business dealings.
00:19:12.820 Joe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
00:19:17.120 Because they want to dirty up Biden's name.
00:19:19.620 You know, Republicans have been trying to use Hunter Biden's behavior against the president.
00:19:24.160 Did not know about anything that Hunter Biden was doing.
00:19:28.440 Cena Biden was simply involved in his son's life in a personal capacity.
00:19:33.060 Republicans from consistently trying to make this argument and create the illusion of some malfeasance being there.
00:19:41.360 Spoke to business associates of Hunter Biden to say hello, to have small talk, casual conversation.
00:19:49.860 Hunter Biden talked to his dad on the phone all the time.
00:19:52.180 They talked basically every day.
00:19:54.000 Sometimes Joe Biden would say hello to the people in the room if he popped in or on the phone or whatever.
00:19:59.100 It's all casual conversation, niceties, the weather.
00:20:03.380 They never discussed the business.
00:20:04.900 These were more of just cordial hello types of conversations.
00:20:08.700 Business was never discussed on those calls.
00:20:10.980 And that was more casual sort of check ins, casual conversations.
00:20:14.500 President Biden might have said, hey, quit putting me on speakerphone.
00:20:18.100 You know, are you having a business meeting?
00:20:21.080 Like, what is that about?
00:20:22.820 But do you hang up on your phone, on your side?
00:20:25.620 Bo Biden, Hunter's brother and President Biden's son, was very ill with cancer and then passed away.
00:20:32.040 That, as the witness today testified, was what these conversations and these calls were about.
00:20:37.520 We should put this in context.
00:20:39.180 This is a time when Bo Biden, the president's other son, was ill and then dying and then passed away.
00:20:43.980 Very fraught and sad time for the Biden family.
00:20:49.340 And we know how important family is to the president.
00:20:53.740 They're doing Donald Trump's bidding, going after Hunter Biden, trying to create a tie to the president.
00:20:58.620 This is a political move here.
00:21:01.220 It is a politics thing, right, in as much as it's anything else.
00:21:05.520 Fair?
00:21:06.280 Yeah, I think so.
00:21:07.420 It does not appear to have been a direct business tie.
00:21:10.400 Because right now you don't see any conduct that's illegal, that there is regulation or law that's prohibiting it, even though it might be highly unethical.
00:21:17.960 I don't see high crimes and misdemeanors.
00:21:19.580 I don't even see a low crime.
00:21:21.000 I see a son who's using his father.
00:21:24.200 People with famous last names using them for their own purposes.
00:21:27.920 People in your families, they're ne'er-do-wells.
00:21:31.340 This is as old as time.
00:21:33.460 Old as time that there's this much corruption.
00:21:35.760 Biden working the phones with his son was just him being a great dad, right?
00:21:40.020 Hunter Biden talking to his dad on the phone all the time.
00:21:42.840 They talk basically every day.
00:21:44.660 Sometimes Joe would say hello to people in the room if he popped in or on the phone, whatever, right?
00:21:49.500 This is their exact words.
00:21:51.780 The media is lying to you like they would cover up for communists in China, for Vladimir Putin in Russia, and they're doing it all synchronized, just like that music, just like that montage.
00:22:06.320 Now, we had something interesting that happened.
00:22:08.320 When we do this podcast, I want to bring you behind the scenes for a moment, just so you understand.
00:22:13.220 I'm usually in one location.
00:22:15.420 Senator Ted Cruz is in another.
00:22:17.000 We both connect through this technology called Comrex.
00:22:19.320 While we were taping, there looked to have been a power surge that blew out our piece of equipment, this Comrex, where the center is, and we did everything to try to get reconnection, couldn't do it.
00:22:32.160 So this is the reason why you're not hearing a response right now from Senator Cruz, because, and look, we always try to just tell you how it works here on the show.
00:22:41.120 This is how it works with technology.
00:22:43.000 We try to troubleshoot.
00:22:44.500 I can promise you, Senator Cruz and I are not going to become engineers anytime soon in broadcasting.
00:22:49.200 We did the best we could, but as we were taping this at midnight, this is where we are.
00:22:55.080 So we will be back on Friday and continue this conversation, which is obviously very important, but I just wanted you to know what just happened, and that's why you're not hearing the senator's voice right now.
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00:24:56.240 Senator Cruz and I will see you back here on Friday.
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