150 Body Count At 18？! Yung Gravy Side Piece？! CHEATING？! Hater CONFRONTS Brian？! ｜ Dating Talk #248
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, host Brian Atlas sits down with Audrey and Chloe to talk about their experiences in the dating world, crypto options, and more. This episode is brought to you by Streamlabs.
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we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age,
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occupation, where you are from, and education. Go ahead.
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Hi, I'm Chloe Yami and I'm 18. I'm just kidding. I'm 19.
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My name is Audrey. I'm 23. I'm from Orange County, currently in Vegas.
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I do a bunch of different things. Makeup, prosthetic makeup. Right now I'm doing some
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plus size modeling. Wait, don't click the pen, please.
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I do a bunch of different things for work. Entrepreneur.
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Okay. And you said any college or anything like that?
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Not currently, but I did go to school to start to be a mortician, but I put that on pause.
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My name is Lindsay Lee and I am 29. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, and I have some college,
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but I am currently an adult film star. All right. And what were you studying?
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It was for a PTA, physical therapy assistant. Okay. But I did culinary school, so.
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All right. No, I've worked two to four jobs my whole life, so.
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I'm Katerina Hammond. I'm 24. I'm from Canada and I do, I'm a server and I also do like Instagram
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Okay. All right. Any education or anything like that?
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Hi, I'm Lucy, Lucy Lotus, and I used to be, oh wait, I'm from Dallas, Texas, and I used
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to be a server and fine dining for like four to five years, and then now I'm in adult film.
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Oh my God, I'm literally like, word vomiting, 27. I'm sorry. I'm nervous.
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You're fine. And did, sorry, did you say you did any university or college or?
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Um, I was a server in fine dining. I joined the Navy at one point, but I was in bootcamp
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and I had medical issues, so I had an entry-level discharge.
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It's an honorable one. It's just like you get let go during bootcamp anyways.
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Like, so how, how many weeks, you said you were in the bootcamp?
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Yep. So like, how many, uh, days did you, uh, stay in, I guess?
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Six weeks. Okay. Uh, how long does bootcamp, bootcamp typically?
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It's eight weeks. You're almost there. What the fuck?
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Um, I, yeah, I just had medical stuff going. I mean, it's not anything like that interesting,
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My name is Anastasia. I'm 36 years old. I was born in Vladivostok, Russia, which is far east.
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I am from, uh, Charlotte, North Carolina. I graduated UNC Charlotte, and, um, I am systems
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administrator for the job, as well as I do makeup and special effects, um, on Instagram.
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Got it. Any, uh, college, university, what was your degree in?
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Um, organizational communications from UNC Charlotte.
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Um, my name is Sula. I'm 31 years old. Um, I have a degree in biology from Georgia Tech.
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I'm originally from Moscow, Russia. Um, as of now, I'm a stay-at-home mom, um, but I have
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a YouTube channel, Simply Shula, and I do, like, influencing. I do pranks, work, cosplay.
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Okay. So, mid, midway through the show, she might, she might swap into something else.
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Um, my name is Jordan. I am from Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm 22.
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Um, I went to, um, I went to hair school, so I have a cosmetology license and have been
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doing that. I also, um, do non-profit organization work, um, with pregnancy resource centers and
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adoption stuff. Um, and am I forgetting something? I think that was it. Yeah.
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Oh, I didn't. So, I went to, uh, Aveda, which is, like, a, um, arts and science technical school
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My name is David Patrick Harry. I have a PhD in religious studies from the Graduate Theological
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Union. I'm 35 years old, and I have YouTube, a YouTube channel called Church of the Eternal
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Logos. I make online content, educational content, and cultural commentary.
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All right. Welcome, everybody. We're going to go around the table once more. So, what is
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your current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single? And
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what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead.
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Um, I'm single, and the longest relationship I've been in was, like, in high school, so
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The longest relationship was three years, you said?
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Um, I mean, it's been, like, a back-and-forth thing with, like, multiple people, but, like,
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I would say, like, I don't know my situation. I'm single, though.
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You're, weren't you, like, in, uh, you just got out of something, or?
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Yeah, um, I would say, like, a month ago, I was in, like, a relationship, but, I don't know,
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Single now. Okay. Uh, all right. What about you?
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I'm currently single. My last relationship was my longest. It was three and a half years.
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Um, I'm glad that ended, and I'm currently wanting to be single until, like, I look for
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Okay. So, sorry, you've been, uh, single for how long again?
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Um, it's been almost a year, I think. It's been a while.
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Okay. What else do you want to know? I mean, I wasn't, I mean, I was in a three and a half
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long relationship with this guy, and it was an awful relationship. Good guy, awful relationship.
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Traumatized me, so now I'm wanting to be single for a while, because I don't want to get back
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into that dating game again. And you've been single, sorry, you said for like a year.
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One year. Since that last relationship. Gotcha. Can you take my jingle dongles off?
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Jingle dongles off? Sorry. It's jangling. Okay. All right. And, uh, what about you?
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Lindsay. Um, I've been in a five year, a three year, and I want to say a two or three year
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as well, but I've been single for at least a year, very happily. So.
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And you said the longest was three years? Five. Oh, five years. Okay. All right. And then the one
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that ended a year ago, how long was that one? Like four on and off, but yeah.
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Four on and off. Technically like three. Yeah. Gotcha. But you've been in a couple, multiple
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two year, three year, a couple long-term relationships. Got it. Yes.
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Uh, the longest one, the five year relationship, who broke up with who? Um, he just blocked me.
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So. He blocked you? He just blocked me. Okay. So he ended it, I suppose. Yeah. His mom called
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me later and was like, he doesn't love you. All right, cool. Let's fuck it up. That's why.
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Oh my gosh. One in four stay single for the rest of their life. I'm hoping to be that one
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in four. You want to be one of the one in four. Yes. What about, uh, the other couple long-term
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relationships you've had? Did you end them or did they or mix? It was a mix. Yeah. The
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last one was pretty mutual. We both knew it was not good. So plus I was in therapy and none
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of them have done therapy. So once you have been through therapy and start to see some
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of the trends of trauma, um, you know, you just decide I don't want to be around that
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anymore. I'll come back to the therapy thing, but I'll get the rest of everybody's relationship
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status. What about you? I am single. I've been single for just over a year and longest relationship
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ever was probably like two and a half years. Who broke up with who? For which one? The two
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and a half year one. Uh, I left him. I have a restraining order against him now. Nice.
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Yeah. And then the most recent one that ended a year ago. Definitely left him. You definitely
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left him also. Okay. And okay. Uh, what about you? Um, I am single and I would say my longest
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relationship, I was like 19 and it was three years long and we were on and off. I think we
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broke up like five times. The first time he broke up with me, it was because I told him
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I had only had sex with two people when we first started dating and it was like a lot
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more than that. So you're a fucking liar. You're a fucking liar. Yeah. And so he broke
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up with me and then I told him that we were done when I said we were done. She belongs to
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the streets. Are those your sounds? Are there sounds? I don't know. It just, it just coalesces
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out of the ether. Um, so okay. Your like first long-term relationship sort of right after high
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school, you had told him the body count was on the low end. You lied. He, yeah. How did
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he find out? Like did you, did you tell him or did he like find out? I just started feeling
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guilty because I started like really falling for him. So I was like, uh, I just lie, like
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I'm holding it in. So I told him and he like flipped out on me. Wait, so you told him, what
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was the number that you told him? Four. Like two or two to four. Yeah. Two to four. What was
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it actually? Um, I still lied to him the second time actually, but I had to raise the number
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a bit just to like, let him know. Cause yeah. Um, I told him, tell us, tell us the new lie
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and then tell us what the actual number was. So I told him it was 22 thinking that it would
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be like chill, you know? And then he'd be like, he was like, he, he flipped out like really
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bad. Um, but the actual number, um, all right, I'm going to say this. The actual number at
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the time was like 150. Excuse me. Sorry, mom. Wait, how old were you? Wait, how old were
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you at the time? Um, I was, uh, 19. I had a friend, um, who had an older sister and she
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told me, have sex with as many people in high school as you can. Cause no one has STDs.
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What? So I took that as law and I really went for it.
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Excuse me. Wait, can you repeat that part? The, the, what she told you? Um, I, oh my
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God. Um, sorry. I'm so nervous too. I'm like literally like wiping my hands like aggressively.
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No, you're doing fine. No. Um, I, it was like around one 50. Um, but she told me, um, like
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my friend's older sister, she was like, have sex with as many people as you can in high
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school because nobody has any STDs yet. And I just took that as law cause I was hypersexual
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very young. So yeah. Nice. Okay. That's cool. Um, that's dope. I guess. I'd love that for
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you. Thank you so much. That's great. It's my life. And you're 27 now.
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I am 27. Okay. So I'll do the math. Gotcha. And wait, when did you join the Navy?
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Uh, I joined the Navy. I joined the Navy actually while I was with that first boyfriend. And
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then, um, he actually cheated on me the first day that I, I went into the Navy, but yes.
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Oh my God. That's awesome. Wait, so you were in bootcamp for six weeks. How many went
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how did it go down at bootcamp or? No, but so there's this thing in bootcamp. I'm so sorry
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guys. I wish I like, I hate that it's like on me for this long. Um, I, in bootcamp in Navy
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bootcamp, you go, you cannot talk to the opposite sex. You can't even look at them. You can't look
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their way. Nothing like you will get in trouble. And, um, but there were church services and you
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could go, there was three every Sunday and you could go to all of them and you could sit
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next to the, to the males. You could sit next to the boys and you could, you know, kind of
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get away with talking to them. So I would make sure to go to every church service and
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I would talk to as many boys as possible. And I would tell them like the wildest shit and
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I would just like walk away. But did you, I never hooked up with anyone. Was there any
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carnal knowledge? Did you have carnal knowledge with any of them? No, uh, but no, but whenever
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I went to the airport with one of them, he was like, Oh, let's go in one of the family
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bathrooms and I'm going to clap those cheeks. So it's like, I'm good. Thank you. We're out
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of bootcamp now. We don't have a trauma bond anymore. All right. Good times. Okay. That's
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cool. Uh, I'm done. I can leave now. Okay. Uh, what about you? I was married for 11 years
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and I am in a relationship right now about two and a half years. All right. And, uh, any
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kids? No, no kids. All right. If dogs counts as kids, then yes.
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Who initiated the divorce? Um, it was mutual. Okay. So who filed for the divorce?
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Technically, I guess would be him. Okay. And was there any sort of citing in the, uh, filing
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as to the reason for the divorce, just irreconcilable differences, or was there something else that
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decided? He technically found somebody else. He technically? Well, okay. He, um, found somebody
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else. Yes. Okay. So was he cheating on you or had you guys already been separated at that
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point? So we were talking about separation as, um, I guess he was talking to one of the
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girls we had known. And then, um, as that girl kind of, she's a Russian Muslim. So, you
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know, she has very strong traditions. Um, when she told him they cannot work, that's when he
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kind of like, well, maybe we should be together. And then she introduced him to her friends.
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And that's when we kind of continued with the whole divorce. Got it. Okay. And so you were
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married, you were together for 11 years. You've currently been in a relationship for two years.
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Any other long relationships or those pretty much it? Pretty much it. Um, I mean, I had an
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ex-boyfriend about three or four months. Uh, we were good friends beforehand. Um, I was single
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at that time about two years after the divorce and we kind of, I guess, had something going
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on, but it didn't last too long. All right. Gotcha. What about you? So I've been married
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for 11 years now. Yeah. Uh, so you've been married since you were like 20 and then how
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long were you guys together before you were married? Um, like two months. Oh, so you guys
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got married really quick. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. And let's see. Uh, was that your, has that
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been your only relationship? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. And okay. Uh, what about you? Um, I'm currently
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single. Uh, gosh, like a year and a half and none of them have ever really lasted long. Uh,
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maybe like six, seven months. There was one that was like off and on for like a year or
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two. Um, but like never consistent, like full. Yeah. It was pretty sporadic. Okay. All right.
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What about you? Uh, I'm married. Uh, been with her for about three years and we'll be married,
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uh, in a three months, we'll make it a year. So, uh, before that, I wouldn't say any super
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serious relationships. And, um, out of those, there's maybe one that was also maybe about three
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years, but again, it was more about fun, uh, and not a serious focus on marriage or long-term
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commitment. Okay. Got it. Uh, wait, did you hide the stream yard when you did that? No. Okay.
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Um, all right. And, uh, you've had some other relationships you said, but yeah, it was more,
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you know, uh, promiscuous twenties and then, um, um, um, I'm a Eastern Orthodox Christian. And so
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upon converting to Orthodoxy, uh, took the idea of marriage and finding a long-term partner and
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building a family much more seriously. And so my wife also was Eastern Orthodox. And so we have a
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shared religious commitment and worldview. Um, and the things that we both want in regards to building
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a family are kind of the strong bonds that brought us together. Got it. Okay. And, uh, curious, you,
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were you, cause you're like Orthodox Christian. Have you always been Orthodox Christian? No, I converted,
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um, in about 2019. So it's been about six years. It'll be six years in October, uh, being Orthodox.
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Got it. Okay. And were you prior to being Orthodox Christian, were you like Protestant?
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No, well, I grew up kind of, yeah, I grew up kind of a conservative Methodist Protestantism. And then,
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uh, once I got into college, uh, got really interested in studying religion, biology, traveled
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to China, uh, studied Mandarin, um, and was really into like new age psychedelic spirituality, that type
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of stuff. So really I would say kind of psychonauts spirituality, um, you know, ayahuasca, DMT, LSD,
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psilocybin mushrooms. That was kind of the spiritual du jour of the time. And it was until,
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uh, getting into my doctorate program, started looking more seriously at my worldview and what
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I believed. And that forced me to kind of reconcile some of my beliefs and eventually,
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uh, brought me to, again, Orthodoxy is, uh, my belief is the one true religion.
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Okay. And, uh, were you and your wife like both virgins when you guys like got married or?
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Uh, no, I wasn't. Um, she was. And so she, there's a 12 year difference, um, between us.
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And so you're 35 and she is 22, 23, 23. Yeah. And then you were, were you 32 and she was 21,
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20. She was already turning 21. Yeah. She was like 2021. Okay. She'll be, she'll be getting ready
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to turn 24. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. All right. And then, uh, going to you really quick. Um, you said
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you're, you've only been in one relationship. Were you both, uh, virgins when you guys met or?
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Well, I was, but not him. He's 10 years older than me. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. So you're also in an age
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gap relationship. So you, you are 31. So he's 41. Yeah. And then were you, you were 21 and he was 31
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when you guys met or? Um, I was 20. He was 30. You were 20 and he was 30. Gotcha. Okay. Gotcha.
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Okay. Okay. Interesting. Um, and going back around the table, there's quite a few people here who are
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single. Uh, is there currently a guy in the picture? Um, yeah, I would say like two guys right now are in
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the picture. Who? You don't, sorry. You don't have to say who, but like what, when you say they're in
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the picture, what do you mean? Well, one is at, at my place watching my puppy. Thank you so much.
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And then, um, the other one is like pretty well known and he's in a relationship right now.
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Um, so what do you mean? Basically the other girl. Wait, you're, so you're the side piece or? Yeah.
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And you're, are you like, you're okay with, you're okay with that or? It's the best position to be in.
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I mean, I would really love to like be his wifey. Um, so no, I'm not that like happy about it,
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but like I was there first, like me and him have been like hooking up since I was 18.
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So I was literally there first, but he like, is this the guy, is this the guy you, is this the guy
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you were talking about last show? Yeah. Okay. But he's like really fucking mad at me for bringing it
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up. Um, but wait here, like, give me a, give me a bit of a timeline. Give me, give me some timeline
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here. So you're currently 19. You met him when you were 18. Yeah. So how long have you guys,
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like how long ago did you meet him? Um, last Halloween.
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October, 2024. I believe so. Or 20, wait, 2024. So nine months ago about? Yeah. Eight, nine months
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ago. Okay. And were you, have you, were you boyfriend, girlfriend or just casual? No, it's
00:26:52.720
such a really, really weird, um, story of like how we met. Um, I don't know if you guys are
00:27:00.040
familiar with, um, Mickey Mace. He's like a famous gambler. Um, so my best friend was like
00:27:07.260
hooking up with him and he's like one of my friends and he like lets us stay at his house
00:27:14.560
sometimes. And he was throwing a really big, um, Halloween party and I'm going to say his
00:27:22.640
name. I'm sorry. Um, young gravy. He came up to me and the fuck is that guy? Wait, sorry.
00:27:32.360
I, I, yeah. Okay. So I remember you's young gravy. Yeah. Matt, Matthew, his real name. Okay.
00:27:40.600
Um, rapper, rapper guy. Yeah. Country singer slash rapper. Um, he came up to me at Mickey
00:27:48.820
Mace's party and he was like, you're mad pretty. And like, he's like seven feet tall and like
00:27:55.300
really attractive in person. I mean, he's kind of like funny online, but he just like made
00:28:00.480
me so wet when I saw him. How old is he? Is he dating Ari? Yeah. Wait, who? Yeah. He's dating
00:28:07.240
Ari. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How old is he? I think he's almost 30. Okay. Okay. You know, okay.
00:28:16.340
Into the MILFs? I didn't even know that he was into MILFs until I, after like we'd been hooking
00:28:23.060
up for a long time and then like some of my friends. He took some MILFs. Wait, but you're
00:28:28.740
like, wait, he's into MILFs, but you're. That's like all his music is about like older
00:28:33.200
women. It's really strange. And I didn't know that. Um. So that's why it didn't work
00:28:39.440
out? Well, he's with Ari now and she's, I think she's like 25 or something. Oh, okay.
00:28:45.800
So wait, hold on. Okay. So you've been, you've known him for eight, nine months. I guess
00:28:49.780
when did this other woman come into the picture? Like four months ago, I would say they did
00:28:54.480
a very hard launch on TikTok, Instagram. They've been going super viral. Four months
00:28:59.780
ago. Yeah. Okay. So, but there, what you're saying is, is there's been over or there was
00:29:07.940
overlap. Is that what you're saying? For sure. When's the last time you saw him? Um, last
00:29:13.160
Saturday. Wait. Girl. We are on a podcast, babe. I love Ari. He's literally going to
00:29:21.260
kill me. Like literally. I'm so sorry. Name drop on the podcast. I love you for that.
00:29:26.640
Wait, what? How old are you considering a MILF? Well, well, he, his music, like if you look
00:29:32.180
him up, like all of his songs are about like fucking like. No, yeah. I met him at AVN, but
00:29:36.820
he's still on. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. It's really weird. Um, and embarrassing a little
00:29:44.880
bit, but, um, so when we met, he came up to me and he was like, oh, you're like the prettiest
00:29:51.280
girl at the party. Like, I really want to get to know you. Um, like, are you down to like
00:29:56.560
chat in the bathroom? Cause it was super loud and I was like pretty drunk and I thought he
00:30:02.240
was super cute. So we went to the bathroom. Nothing like happened. We didn't like hook up,
00:30:06.440
but we talked for a really long time. And then when I opened the door, like both of
00:30:10.840
his managers were out there and, um, they basically told me that all of my stuff is
00:30:17.300
like in an Uber and like ready to go to his crib and my best friend's stuff, which is
00:30:22.800
really weird because we were staying at Mickey Mace's house. And then I guess they
00:30:26.100
did like a switcheroo and then, cause they're neighbors. And then all of my, my
00:30:32.300
suitcase was in the Uber or the personal driver and my friend too. And she was really upset
00:30:42.760
Wait, is this, and this is all like, are you saying this is like, you're not making this
00:30:50.200
I don't know. Um, well, okay. Um, I think you mentioned something before the show about
00:30:55.800
this, Nick, I just, for the audience, I, they probably don't know who this guy is.
00:30:59.900
No, no offense to him. Uh, find his Wikipedia just so we can cross-reference it, I guess.
00:31:17.260
Okay, so hold on, let me, before you ask the question, I just want to go over, okay,
00:31:20.860
so just for the context, I guess for, for the panel who don't know, uh, cause we do have
00:31:26.000
some boomers here, including myself and, uh, millennials. Okay. Millennials. Uh, okay.
00:31:32.420
So young gravy, that's his Wikipedia. He's a rapper. Uh, he's like 30, 29. Uh, and then
00:31:39.980
there's like, you got, do you have his, you want to pull up the Instagram, I guess.
00:31:44.780
Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah, so we'll do that. And wait, so, oh, you got it? Okay. Okay. So
00:31:54.880
here's his IG, 2.2 million. Oh wow. He's pretty popular. He's a rapper. I, I listened to like
00:32:03.260
Oh, that's the girl, the girl he's like sitting on or I don't know what that is. Wait, scroll
00:32:08.160
down. Scroll down. Is there, oh wait, what? Oh, that's a, wait, click on the kiss.
00:32:14.720
I'm missing the dude. Wait, oh, that's the, uh, how do you say it? BB, no money, dollar
00:32:21.820
shot. I don't know. No moolah. Okay. That's, uh, that's interesting. Was he, he was also cheating
00:32:27.080
on you with a BB and no. Okay. Uh, and then there's like the other next, I think you have
00:32:32.720
the next tab over, I guess. Oh, scroll up. Oh, this. Okay. So, oh, there's the girlfriend
00:32:41.200
you're saying. So that's a girl. Yeah. She's really big on TikTok right now, I think. So
00:32:46.020
they make, oh, that's the girlfriend. Scroll down. Okay. So they make a bunch of reels
00:32:49.800
together. Okay. So, and then wait. So, okay. And you're saying, I'm just confused timeline
00:33:01.000
here. So you saw him last week, but like, is it an open, is he in an open relationship
00:33:06.880
with her? I know. He said, don't say anything or he's gonna like kill me or something. I don't
00:33:14.500
know. Yeah, but you knew that, you knew that he was with Ari. Cause like, if you're in the
00:33:21.700
know, like, you know who Ari is and she's beautiful and amazing. And I obsessed with
00:33:26.600
her. Can you find her, maybe her IG and stuff, Nick? And I, I don't know if I saw young gravy
00:33:32.100
and he was hitting on me. I'd be, I'd immediately run to Ari. Well, I've like been hooking up
00:33:37.040
with him since I was 18. So like way before they were together. You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:33:40.900
But they are together now and like everyone loves Ari. I, yeah. I mean, she's really pretty
00:33:46.200
and great content creator. I think she's really cool and like honestly better than me. And
00:33:52.600
that's why he posts her all the time, but she thinks I'm ugly and like a horrible person.
00:33:59.180
Wait, you're, are you're in contact with her or? Well, he sent me a screenshot of like
00:34:05.560
her message when she found out, I said that we were hooking up on the whatever podcast
00:34:11.240
and, um, she was like, I can't believe like you called this bitch fine. Like you or something
00:34:19.960
and like, I hate bitches like this. Like she was, yeah, pretty mean, but I think she's really
00:34:26.100
pretty. Uh, do you have it, Nick? You want to just pull it up?
00:34:29.180
Okay. Yeah. We'll, we'll take a look. Burnt. Okay. Uh, scroll down, I guess. Okay. I think
00:34:38.380
I've seen, I've seen, uh, next, I guess there's another one you said. Damn. What the fuck?
00:34:44.760
Oh, she does. She's OF. Okay. Uh, tab over. And then there's the, you, do you have something
00:34:51.560
else? Oh, the, okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. And you, they like make content
00:35:05.460
together. Yeah. A lot. Okay. And it's like going viral right now. Sure. We can pull it
00:35:11.080
up. Just, uh, scroll. Is this hers or his TikTok? Oh, damn. Oh, she's got 4.5 mil on.
00:35:19.660
Okay. They post, scroll down. Oh, damn. Okay. They're posting a lot together. All right.
00:35:28.900
Well, we get the idea. Okay. So that's her with the boyfriend, young gravy with the cool,
00:35:33.400
like the, the big hair, the big hair. Uh, okay. And like, are you, uh, like still seeing
00:35:43.060
the dude or what? I don't know. What's the deal? I mean, I think he's really, really mad
00:35:47.540
at me for saying this, but I hope that we can like still hook up because like you're literally
00:35:58.000
the best I ever had. Like he made me squirt all over him. So. What the fuck? This girl.
00:36:05.940
I think you're going to be in trouble. Also. Is everyone, is everyone tested? Um, yeah,
00:36:15.460
I'm tested. Stop it. Get some help. The audio sounds abnormally a little loud. I don't know
00:36:22.720
why that is. Um, I'll have to take a look at it. Okay. Um, no, I usually just have it at
00:36:29.820
a hundred. Maybe something got boosted. Kind of weird. Okay. Uh, so.
00:36:35.940
Um, but I mean, you're, you said you're seeing two dudes. Yeah. My, um, so like you can't
00:36:45.640
be that mad because you're seeing another guy. Well, I'm not, I'm not mad at all. I, like
00:36:50.760
I said, I was like aware. I just wish I was like his main girl because obviously they're
00:36:56.680
like blowing up. That'd be great for me. Um, but he just always like hid me. Like we would
00:37:02.920
go out together and like behind closed doors, I would think like I'm his girlfriend. And
00:37:08.380
then he would bring me to like parties with him and like kind of pretend that I'm like,
00:37:13.300
I don't know, a groupie or like some, like his fan or something.
00:37:17.000
Wait, but I mean, did, there wasn't a relationship. Like he didn't say that you're the girlfriend.
00:37:22.840
Like he wasn't leading you on, right? Um, it was just very confusing for me. I mean, I'm
00:37:29.660
like, I fall really hard easily. And I thought that he like really cared about me until like
00:37:35.600
he came out with Ari. And he, he was saying that he was like exclusive with me and like
00:37:42.180
didn't tell me. And then I saw like them all over my phone. So, all right. By the way,
00:37:50.040
we have some super chats come through that are, you'll have to ask you a question. Go
00:37:53.940
for it. So the guy is dog sitting right now. What is the status on him? Like what's the
00:37:58.940
relation? Is he, is he aware of all this stuff going on? And he's just like simping and expecting
00:38:03.200
you that maybe you'll like, like him one day or like, how's that dynamic?
00:38:06.460
I do like him. He's very fine and cute. And like, he's literally so loyal. Like he doesn't
00:38:13.040
follow any girls or on Snapchat, nothing. Thank you, Kat for the 50. Go ahead. Um, but he's
00:38:21.520
like my best friend and like, he also has really good tank too. And he's probably watching right
00:38:29.360
now. He actually told me to say this about Young Gravy the first time he was like, you should
00:38:34.840
just say that because that's really interesting. So yeah, he was aware because we were like on
00:38:41.060
and off during that time. And now it's just, I kind of like broke up with him, but he still like
00:38:48.900
wants to be around and your dog. Yeah. He's in love with my puppy. So can I ask a really stupid
00:38:55.640
question? Yeah. What's a milf? Mom, I'd like to F. Oh, okay. Just like older women.
00:39:06.700
Like an attractive mom or older woman. I mean, I'm a mom. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's true. But
00:39:14.240
I think Young Gravy was talking about older women, especially. Wait, can I ask you a quick
00:39:19.300
question? So do you just like him for the fame or do you actually like him? Cause I know you
00:39:23.460
said it would be really good for you to like blow up. Well, because of like how big him
00:39:28.680
and Ari now, I'm like seeing how that would have been like really good for my only fans,
00:39:33.700
you know, but, um, no, at first he, I really liked him and like, he was so cute in person
00:39:41.420
and like, we just connected and I don't know. I'm, I love like country guys and online. He
00:39:47.260
doesn't really seem that country, but he is. So I thought that was cute.
00:39:56.080
Well, I mean, it sounds like, so they just have an open relationship because if they've
00:40:01.180
been seeing each other for four months, you saw him, you said last Saturday.
00:40:07.400
Okay. Well, I don't know. I don't know what the details are, but
00:40:10.160
I, I don't think they have an open relationship. I think he's cheating and like lying to her. Um,
00:40:23.880
Is this like for clout or something? Like I'm confused.
00:40:27.760
Um, like I said, like my dude back home, he just said that I should say it cause it's interesting.
00:40:33.080
Um, so partially like, yeah, it's for clout because they're blowing up right now and I have an only
00:40:39.820
fans and I, that's how I make money. Oh, well then how do we know this? But how, I mean,
00:40:44.380
it's, that's what's happening in my life. I think it's interesting. Like everyone,
00:40:48.420
all my friends know and like have been around him a bunch. Like he was texting my best friend
00:40:53.660
and saying that if I say another word about it, that something's bad is going to happen to me.
00:41:01.160
And like in Charlotte, something's bad is going to happen to me and that he's going to get
00:41:05.740
hackers to delete my account. If I say anything, are you saying anything then girl?
00:41:12.400
I anyways, I think we've spent enough time on it. Um, okay. Uh, question though, going back to
00:41:19.780
everybody's like relationship status here and stuff. Well, what I was asking Chloe, a lot of
00:41:25.180
people here are single. What does that actually mean though? Are you actually single? So you said
00:41:29.340
you've been single for one year, but are there currently any guys in the picture?
00:41:32.060
Um, no, not really. I'm, I talk to men, but I'm not trying to date. So I'm not pursuing them any
00:41:38.880
further than that. So I only talk or date when I'm trying to look for a relationship and that's
00:41:43.140
not currently what I want. I'm looking, I'm more focused on my career, making money, taking care
00:41:47.240
of my mom, stuff like that. Okay. Um, so there has been no guys in the picture the past year.
00:41:53.720
There's been guys in the picture, but nothing that I'm trying to be serious with. And I let them know
00:41:58.460
that right away. Gotcha. Okay. So you've had like some more casual encounters. Yeah. Okay.
00:42:06.000
Is there like a casual thing going on right now? Not currently, not currently too much going on in
00:42:12.660
my personal life. Okay. What about you? You said you're single, but are there any guys in the picture
00:42:16.940
currently? No, none. Nope. Zero. Nope. Okay. I got my cats. I'm good. That's all you need.
00:42:25.740
That's all I need. Plus with my profession, like I already get what I need. So because of the,
00:42:31.740
the adult content you are already. Okay. Uh, what about you? Any guys in the picture?
00:42:37.240
I have no guys on the roster right now. No guys? Nope. None? Not a single one,
00:42:42.060
but you've been single for a year. I mean, there's not been even like a month, two months.
00:42:46.160
I mean, like I was seeing a guy, but he didn't want anything serious. So I don't really want to
00:42:49.780
waste my time on someone who doesn't want anything serious. I see. Yeah. Okay.
00:42:56.380
I have a couple of guys on my roster. You got some, you got a roster. That's what I'm looking for.
00:43:00.380
No roster. Really? Well, but like, what do you count? I mean, like, I don't take them seriously,
00:43:05.400
but yeah, like, are you having carnal knowledge with them? P in the V. Yes. Okay. But not for work,
00:43:17.620
for recreation. Yeah. It's usually after the scene. So you'll like the men you work with,
00:43:26.520
you'll just for funsies. The ones I like. Yeah. But it's not, there's not romantic component.
00:43:32.400
Like you guys aren't dating romantically. It's like the BFE. It's like the boyfriend experience
00:43:36.320
where like, you know, there's no commitment, but they give you what you need. You give them what
00:43:42.760
they need. But so you do have a roster currently. How big is the roster? It's very inconsistent.
00:43:48.200
Tell us about the inconsistent roster. Okay. Uh, well, shout out to Donnie sins.
00:43:57.280
I thought you were about to say young gravy. What the fuck? Not my type. This guy's killing
00:44:03.080
everything in LA. Definitely not. No, no, but shout out to all my great friends in the industry who
00:44:09.460
have participated in recreational fun after you're so like three guys, four guys, probably three right
00:44:18.240
now. Three. Okay. Uh, no guys on the roster, no roster. You said you have a roster. How big's the
00:44:23.540
roster? Um, I have two currently. Two currently. Okay. And I'm trying to get it to five. Trying
00:44:30.360
to get it to five. Okay. And, um, do they, do the two guys, do they know about each other?
00:44:37.040
Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it's like, it's like, I'm pretty open about it. Like, I'm like, Hey,
00:44:43.120
you know, you're for tonight. See you next time for the next night. They don't need to know
00:44:49.640
more than that. So they, I mean, they know that I like see other people, but I'm tested
00:44:58.160
constantly. And so are they, and are they in the industry or are they civilians? They're
00:45:01.860
in the industry. Okay. I, I pick and choose them wisely on, you know, the chemistry we have
00:45:08.360
on set. And so both of you guys, both of you are in the traditional adult industry, right?
00:45:12.900
You guys shoot traditional content, but you also do OF too, right? So that's your own stuff.
00:45:16.860
Um, how long have you both been in the traditional adult content industry?
00:45:38.740
Cause you probably do multiple scenes with like the same guy, right?
00:45:41.340
I've, yeah, maybe like one guy, like four different scenes, like three or four different
00:45:48.680
scenes. And then another guy, I think I've done like two scenes, but everyone else has
00:45:52.900
So maybe like 50 to 60 different scene partners.
00:45:58.720
Okay. And you said eight months. What about you? How long you been in the industry?
00:46:02.940
I've been full time, um, since I quit my nine to five in 2022, but I was on and off. I tried
00:46:11.560
quitting and came back and quit and came back. So the money always brought me right back.
00:46:30.760
Like professional ones, but that's not collabs included.
00:46:33.240
Gotcha. And your roster, you said you have three people on the roster. Are they civilians
00:46:37.100
or are they fellow, uh, workers in the industry?
00:46:45.200
So, sorry. So you've been in it for, you said four, four years, five years?
00:46:48.720
No, no. I've been full time since 2022, but I was on and off since I was 21.
00:46:55.080
Okay. And you're 29. So like eight, eight years.
00:46:58.400
But you've been like more active for the past three years.
00:47:00.760
Okay. Um, and during that time, have you dated civilians or do you only pretty much date?
00:47:05.820
No. Yeah. I did date civilians. I was in relationships, uh, with two different people
00:47:10.080
at two different times, uh, while I was also in the industry and they at first were understanding,
00:47:15.500
but then as time goes by opinions change, they like the benefits of it in the three ways,
00:47:22.100
but they don't want to face the other part. And it's like, well, this is how we go to Cancun.
00:47:27.000
Um, this is how I pay your mortgage. Like, Oh, so you'd be the provider.
00:47:31.060
Oh yeah. I've always been the, I've always been the breadwinner in every relationship,
00:47:35.740
every relationship. Is that the case for you too? Or no, no, no. I, yeah, no, I've had, um,
00:47:42.360
I don't know. I was raised very traditional in a two parent home where, you know, the man makes
00:47:48.680
more money than the woman. And that's just how I was raised. And that's what I believe in. So
00:47:55.420
can I ask you guys a question? Like, um, like how much do you guys make? Like, it's a lot
00:48:00.560
like per month or per year. You don't have to say, of course, but I'm just curious.
00:48:08.420
Is it more than OnlyFans or is it less than OnlyFans? Well, we do. I mean, there's so many
00:48:12.660
different platforms that we work under. So there's a lot of ways to make money. I, I definitely make
00:48:19.140
more from doing the mainstream because then it will bring an audience to my platforms. And so
00:48:24.820
that's why I kind of went full time with that. Plus if you are a good performer, like they will
00:48:30.220
just keep bringing you back. Yeah. So pretty good. Yeah. I'm not going to say an exact number, but I,
00:48:36.300
I do well. And how much time do you spend working? Like maybe per week? Like
00:48:42.380
sometimes I don't work for two weeks, but like I will do four hours a day, maybe eight hours a day,
00:48:50.500
depending on what I'm doing. So good. That's great. Um, cool. Love that for you guys. Um,
00:49:00.760
thank you. Going to Lucy in your notes. Um, you said you didn't choose this career for money. You had
00:49:07.560
money. You didn't choose the career for fame. Fame scares you. You chose your current career. So
00:49:14.320
the adults entertainment industry, because you're a sex addict. I'm so sorry to my family right now.
00:49:23.280
Um, yes. Wait, hold on. You're sorry for the podcast. If my family is watching this, I am so
00:49:32.000
sorry. Um, yes. No, no, um, no, they're, they're aware, but it's, um, rightfully so. Uh, I, um,
00:49:43.920
yeah. What was the question? Sorry. So you, um, have you, you said you chose the career not for
00:49:48.760
money, not for fame, but because you're a sex addict. That is correct. And have you ever always
00:49:53.580
been a sex addict? Is it something new? It's, uh, well, like the exhibitionist side of me has always
00:49:59.800
been, um, something in like from a very young age, just like being watched. Um, I found corn
00:50:10.060
on a desktop computer that my family had where my oldest brother was watching, I guess, or something.
00:50:19.560
I don't know. And I went on there, didn't even really know how to do like even go to Google
00:50:24.040
really, but it was just popped up and I watched hours and hours and hours of it. I was like eight
00:50:29.660
years old. Yikes. Damn. And do you think that's the genesis or the, of the sex addiction was
00:50:39.360
discovery of this content at a young age? Yeah, no, I, yeah, I think that seeing someone being
00:50:47.720
filmed in such a vulnerable state and showing like that transfer of energy of, you know, sexual
00:50:55.840
energy between people, it just always really excited me. And, um, yeah. So. Okay. Can I ask
00:51:03.880
your question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it sounds like you're kind of morally, you're a bit conflicted
00:51:08.680
because it sounds like you kind of appreciate the foundation that your parents offered you and
00:51:12.540
your family. I had a great life. Yeah. And I was curious, like, do you think that your exposure
00:51:18.180
to corn at eight years old was a negative effect on you long-term? Do you think this is what led
00:51:23.900
into it? And I'm just curious because the way that you're framing everything, it sounds like
00:51:27.840
you're like very morally conscious of what you're doing and choosing the opposite. I'm just curious
00:51:32.600
on like that dynamic that's going on inside you. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a constant conflict in my brain
00:51:37.900
like every single day. Um, because it's only getting, you know, I'm only gaining more and more
00:51:43.580
traction, which is like really cool in the industry because everyone wants that. Like they all chase
00:51:50.080
the clout and they all chase that. But every single scene that I do, I'm like, oh, this is another
00:51:55.260
scene that my whole family is going to disown me over. Like which, like which scene is going to be
00:52:00.980
the one that I get fully disowned. And I don't know why I continue to do it other than just the fact
00:52:07.560
that I highly enjoy being on set and I highly enjoy what I do. Okay. And I feel good when I do
00:52:15.240
it. But when I get off of set, I think about, you know, my parents because they raised me my whole
00:52:23.700
life. Do you think that the exposure to corn at eight years old influenced this potential sex
00:52:28.940
addiction that you have? 1000%. 1000%. Yes. And do you feel like, again, content that you make,
00:52:35.180
even though this is feeding some type of addiction or pleasure, uh, satisfaction? Do you ever think
00:52:41.340
about how that may affect other children or imagine another eight year old potentially stumbling upon
00:52:46.500
their older brother, having your content up? My take on that is everyone's going to stumble
00:52:52.340
across it at some point. And that's out of my control. Um, and that is just the truth. Honestly,
00:52:58.980
you're going to see something, uh, you know, that gets your blood rushing in that way in some way or
00:53:05.780
another. And, um, that isn't my battle to fight, you know, that's, this is just something I choose
00:53:12.580
to do. And if someone chooses to watch it, then someone chooses to watch it, but that's, you know,
00:53:18.160
parents should maybe have controls on their, on their computers. And that's not my battle to fight.
00:53:23.560
Mm-hmm. And, oh, did you have? No, I was just like tea, green. Oh, I thought, okay. I thought
00:53:31.300
you wanted to come in. Um, wait, so I'm just curious on this. So, uh, at what age did you start having
00:53:39.020
sex? Um, I lost my virginity when I was 12. Yikes. Is that junior high?
00:53:53.560
Yeah. I was in middle school. I was playing Pokemon cards and shit.
00:53:57.760
Game book. Pokemon red and shit. Pokemon blue and shit.
00:54:07.960
I was like a little skater girl back in that time. Was it also a 12 year old?
00:54:14.000
Like, yeah, I was like all into skateboarding because my older brothers were like all into like
00:54:18.300
dirt bike and like skateboarding and just like that kind of lifestyle. So I got into that. They're a lot
00:54:25.640
older than me. So I was like, were they of legal age? I'm just curious. Um, the first one that took
00:54:31.660
your virginity. Um, he was in high school. Okay. Sophomore.
00:54:38.600
Yikes. Going around the table. I'm just curious. Uh, I guess at what age did you lose your virginity?
00:54:45.920
17. 18. 18. 18. 14. 12. 20. 20. Um, I'm not going to disclose that.
00:55:00.860
18. Brian. 17. 17. Yes. Good times. Good talk. Wait. Okay. So hold on. We were talking about the
00:55:11.220
roster. We kind of went down like a path there. Um, but, uh, you chose the career because of your,
00:55:16.180
uh, being a sex addict and, um, question by the time, cause you said the body count when you revealed
00:55:27.680
it to your boyfriend, but you felt bad about it. It was 150 and you were like 19. Was it? Yes. By the
00:55:33.780
time you graduated, like the day you graduated high school, what would you say your body count was
00:55:40.180
then? It was like, that's when I, you know, racked up that many because I met my boyfriend, like
00:55:47.940
of that time, um, right after high school, like right after I got out of high school. So it was like,
00:55:53.340
I basically hit, you know, every person I could possibly get in high school. Wait, you hit every
00:56:02.540
person you could hit? Yeah. Like not like hit, but like, you know, I got with, sorry. How big was the high
00:56:07.900
high school? Um, I think in my graduating class, it was like 2000, 2200. Oh, pretty big. I thought
00:56:18.760
you were going to say 150. Did you, did you like, did you try to avoid, like, was there a rival high
00:56:23.920
school that you're like, shit, I can't like, I can't deal with like. Oh no, I didn't just do my
00:56:28.200
school. Like I went to like the district. She, school district, branching out and shit. Okay. That's
00:56:37.280
cool. Um, and they can all vouch for that if you're listening. Wait, so, uh, so on, did you walk for
00:56:47.320
graduation? Did you do the whole gown and cap or whatever? Um, no. Okay. Did you, you graduated or
00:56:55.420
you just dropped out? No. I got my GED. Oh, okay. So let's say, um, the day you turned
00:57:02.480
18, what was your, I guess your body count? Um, I, they could not, I was like in the, like
00:57:11.900
over 120 for sure. Like between 120 and 150. Yeah. And I never got any STDs. So my friend's
00:57:24.200
older sister was correct. About the sleep with them. Uh, yeah. Because you, yeah. Because
00:57:31.700
everybody is young and less likely to have STDs. Did your parents realize that you were doing
00:57:38.660
this or? No, it's fine. Uh, my parents, I just, I don't want to get too much into them
00:57:45.220
because they don't have to deserve. I chose this, not them. Um, but yeah, they aren't
00:57:52.240
stupid. Good times. Good times. We have a chat here from Eric Hart. He says, Willy Wonka
00:58:03.180
has been with over 150 Oompa Loompas. Willy Wonka. Oh my God. Uh, Willy Wonka. I'll take
00:58:11.480
it. That Bob is bobbing. Don't play with her. Word. Word. Word. Sometimes I get Lord Farquaad
00:58:18.580
too. Not everyone can rock a bob. You're rocking. You're definitely not everybody. She's got
00:58:24.440
that face. So rock a bod. Hey, listen, I can take it and I'll dish it to what do you look
00:58:29.400
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Thank you guys. Appreciate it. So let's see here. Uh, we're going, Oh, a single. Do you
00:59:22.160
have, uh, any guys in the picture? Well, I'm in a relationship. Oh, wait. Oh, okay. Sorry.
00:59:27.440
I got my, uh, do you have any guys in the picture? So I got my notes mixed up. Do you have any guys
00:59:31.580
in the picture right now? Kind of. There's somebody that I want to be in the picture. Um, but
00:59:38.160
I've kind of gotten really picky right now. Picky. What do you mean by picky? Um, I guess
00:59:44.560
my standards have increased a lot. Uh, I don't really, I don't want to tolerate something,
00:59:50.760
uh, disrespect, um, my morals. I want a man who loves Jesus and can leave, lead me and I want
01:00:00.420
to get married. And I also want them to understand and respect the fact that I'm a birth mom.
01:00:05.600
Um, so not a lot of guys get that, I guess at my age. So, um, can you explain what you
01:00:12.320
mean when you say birth mom? Oh yeah. So a birth mom is basically a girl or woman that
01:00:18.100
has gone through pregnancy, um, chose life, gave birth to a baby and then placed for adoption
01:00:24.940
directly to a family unit. Um, and so I did that 10 and a half months ago. Um, so I have
01:00:32.620
a baby boy. Kudos. Uh huh. I said kudos. Thank you. He is beautiful, happy and healthy. Um,
01:00:39.980
but yeah, I am a birth mom. So that's kind of what that is. So, so you placed him for
01:00:43.820
adoption, right? Yes. Okay. And with the adoption process, uh, is it somebody local to you? Are
01:00:50.460
they across the nation? Are you going to like remain in touch or like what, isn't this all
01:00:56.440
laid out in some sort of adoption agreement or contract? Yeah. There's a lot of legal stuff
01:01:01.580
within it. Um, there's not a whole ton I can say. Um, but I went through an agency, um, selected
01:01:08.620
a family and got to choose to place them, hand place him myself. Um, but yeah, it's, it
01:01:17.640
was, uh, interesting, hard process. Um, but it did change my life in a beautiful, amazing
01:01:23.820
way. But, uh, yeah, they, um, they're great and he's great. I think I saw a TikTok you made.
01:01:30.680
You said you did it. It was for the best interest of the child. Yeah. And you also said that you
01:01:36.780
found yourself pregnant. Yeah. Um, the phrasing there intrigued me. You found yourself. It
01:01:45.880
wasn't planned. Um, before my pregnancy, I was not living the lifestyle. I'm trying to
01:01:52.300
live now. And, um, yeah, I came home from work one day and I took a pregnancy test and
01:02:00.040
I found out I was pregnant and I was shocked. Um, it didn't sit in for a while. I was in
01:02:06.320
denial. It was right before Christmas too. And so it was just not it, but yeah, I was,
01:02:11.780
um, 21 and it was terrifying. You said that, uh, you have many dating stories. You said though,
01:02:20.940
in your past you dated drug dealers and abusive guys and guys that were just upright, crazy.
01:02:27.280
Everyone in your life makes fun of you because you really pick the craziest and worst options
01:02:32.180
of men. Uh, you wrote also that you would meet people at, out at clubs at the after parties
01:02:38.840
and you'd be put in crazy situations. The last guy that you dated was someone that you met
01:02:44.260
that you intended, uh, to be in a, what to be just a one night stand, but you ended up
01:02:49.580
getting pregnant. Wait, so question, was it a one night stand that you got pregnant?
01:02:56.860
No, but that's the intention. Like it was very short process. Um, like how long had you
01:03:06.000
been seeing him even casually before you got pregnant? Like two weeks, two weeks. Were
01:03:15.520
you on birth control or no birth control? Okay. And he was, were y'all, was he just blasting?
01:03:24.840
Um, yeah, I, I, yeah, I don't want my family hearing that, but yeah, I mean, I got, yes,
01:03:34.680
I got pregnant. Um, and I mean for the longest time I'd been kind of told that I might not
01:03:40.400
be able to, so it was very random for me and it wasn't something. Yeah. Um, so you
01:03:46.980
have like endo or something or no, I have PCOS. Um, but yeah, I didn't really take it like
01:03:54.620
seriously. I kind of just was, Oh, oh shit. Okay. So, uh, and, and with PCOS, it, it can
01:04:02.300
make it harder to get pregnant. And you thought maybe the, did the doctor tell you like your
01:04:06.460
chance of getting pregnant is low? Is that what he said?
01:04:09.500
She basically just kind of said like, um, when time comes, when you want to get pregnant,
01:04:14.980
like, you know, we'll just have to like watch to see when you ovulate and stuff like that.
01:04:19.460
Cause it messes up your ovulation, I think. Um, so like if I was tracking it on my phone,
01:04:25.540
it wouldn't be like specifically consistent. Gotcha. And you said you ended up becoming a
01:04:30.780
Christian during your pregnancy. Yeah. Changed your heart and mindset on life entirely. Yeah.
01:04:36.280
Uh, you were put in this difficult situation. You did place your son for adoption. Um, you said
01:04:42.840
that you definitely struggle with finding men to date because most are looking for something
01:04:46.160
easy. You don't live that type of lifestyle anymore. You've changed your perspective on
01:04:51.080
life, becoming a Christian and trying to find someone to marry and have a family with what
01:04:55.180
denomination of Christian. Are you? Uh, non-denominational. Okay. Gotcha. Um, and so are you, um,
01:05:04.140
what are you waiting for marriage before you get frisky with anybody else or what's your position
01:05:09.120
on that? Yeah. I mean, I would like to, um, obviously once you have sex, it's really hard to
01:05:15.980
not. Um, and so, you know, that's, uh, why I want to find somebody that can stay true to
01:05:23.500
who they are and what they believe and that can lead me. Um, and so I'm not feeling like
01:05:28.940
I'm constantly having to say no or push something. Um, like I want a guy that can lead that strong
01:05:36.860
and well. And I believe that the right one for me is will never put me in that predicament.
01:05:42.220
Um, but yeah, I mean, I would like to, I mean, I truly think that I want my heart to be pure
01:05:49.340
and my intentions. Um, and I think that goes a lot further than just not being intimate with
01:05:57.060
somebody. So it's like you're dead set on that or what? Okay. Gotcha. But it sounds like you found
01:06:04.220
it hard to navigate that as it relates to dating because maybe men hear about your past experience
01:06:10.460
or you relate to some degree about your past experience. You had a son. Um, and they're
01:06:17.140
like, I don't know, you know? Yeah. No, I mean, it's definitely one of the things that is always
01:06:25.300
a hard topic on a first date. Um, most people that I have shared it with when I go out with
01:06:32.060
them, take it really well, or they don't understand. And they kind of think it's like not a big deal.
01:06:40.740
I think that's like the one thing that like bothers me the most. And it's like aggravating
01:06:47.620
when people treat it like it's nothing. Um, you know, it, it's a child. It was a human being that
01:06:53.160
grew in my body for 10 months and, you know, placing him was not easy. Or like when people say,
01:06:59.780
oh, you just gave him away. I don't like that either. Um, it's placing and, um, yeah, most
01:07:05.960
guys like either take it really well and they're very respectful about it or it's the complete
01:07:10.880
opposite. And then I don't give anybody the time of day after that. So, all right. Oh,
01:07:15.800
go ahead. I was just going to say, cause it will forever be a part of my life. And so I need
01:07:20.160
somebody that's going to honor, respect that and, you know, love my son, even if they don't
01:07:24.880
ever meet him. You also said that you, uh, you wanted to talk about purity and redemption.
01:07:30.860
You used to think purity was a status you either had or lost, but now, you know, it's
01:07:35.340
a daily decision to honor God with your heart, body and boundaries and that his grace is big
01:07:40.300
enough to redeem any past. Do you categorize yourself as a born again virgin?
01:07:46.040
No, no. Um, I don't really think that's a thing. Um, I mean, because I do believe like
01:07:54.060
I'm born again into salvation and that, you know, my old past has died with the past and
01:08:01.160
I'm living my new life now, um, honoring the Lord and walking in obedience. Um, I think purity
01:08:08.680
in that standpoint is intentions behind anything I say, anything I do, um, how a relationship
01:08:18.040
is, friendship wise, family, um, a serious like relationship with a man that I would want
01:08:23.440
to marry. Um, I think it's also internally, like I want to be pure to God. Um, I mean,
01:08:29.560
in the Bible it says, blessed are pure in heart for they will see God. And like that, I want
01:08:34.520
that. And I don't want to have to take account one day for my life and say that I didn't uphold
01:08:41.780
and honor that. Um, even though it is hard and you know, I will never be perfect in that
01:08:47.060
department, but I will always do my best to walk in obedience with that.
01:08:52.480
And do you, Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, does that include like this new journey with
01:08:56.760
Christ? Are you going to be voluntarily celibate until marriage? I mean, I'm just curious about
01:09:01.540
the degree to which you're approaching relationships in this new light of Christianity and trying to
01:09:07.500
find a man, obviously talking about your story. That's a, you know, a difficult conversation that
01:09:12.420
you've been having with people, but I was just curious about sexual relationships, again, trying
01:09:17.300
to find a man that's willing to commit and be that leader and provider that's Christ centered. Uh,
01:09:22.740
does that also include like being voluntarily celibate and making somebody wait?
01:09:26.180
Yeah. Um, you know, that's ideally what I would want. Um, I would want someone to, that at least
01:09:32.940
has somewhat of the same mindset in that way, because I also believe that nobody is ever going
01:09:38.680
to change for someone else. Um, if they don't do it for God or themselves, what makes me think that
01:09:44.060
they're going to do it for me? Um, so that would never be something that I would want to pressure or
01:09:48.420
push onto somebody, um, because it wouldn't last. And I would want them to honor that with their own
01:09:54.740
heart and mind without somebody having to tell them to. Would you feel it would be unfair if
01:10:01.260
a guy who perhaps was initially interested in you, but he heard about some of your past,
01:10:08.440
let's say it's a Christian guy and he determined because of your past, he didn't want to
01:10:13.980
date you. Let's assume he wasn't rude about it or anything, but would you think that this is unfair?
01:10:20.880
Would you, uh, take issue with that in any sort of way? I guess like it would depend on the situation
01:10:28.920
of what would bother him. I think that everyone has the right to say no and reject somebody. Um,
01:10:37.520
within, I guess, a Christian's perspective, I don't believe we should judge people for their
01:10:44.520
lives through their past. Um, you know, why I'm not going to be the first to throw a stone when I
01:10:49.580
know I've done the same thing. So I don't know. I just, I think if a guy were to say that, um, that
01:10:57.120
is his right, his opinion to do that. And that also just shows that he wasn't the one for me. Um, but I
01:11:03.840
don't, it wouldn't bother me because I mean, I would also consider things about somebody else's past as
01:11:11.080
well, but I also do know that because I'm walking in a new path, that life doesn't define me. Um,
01:11:17.440
it doesn't own me and it has no control over who I am and whose I am. And so, you know, if he looking,
01:11:25.680
is looking at me for that, then I would maybe question, you know, his relationship with God.
01:11:31.920
Well, I have a, I, I'm not an expert on Christianity, but we do have an expert
01:11:37.320
somewhat in PhD, religious studies. Um, so question for you, Patrick. So my understanding
01:11:46.940
is, uh, whether it's like a past of promiscuity or, you know, we have some OnlyFans people here,
01:11:52.480
uh, if they were involved in sex work or, you know, whatever it may be, uh, anybody can be saved
01:11:57.340
by Christ is my understanding, but men do not need to then disregard women's individual baggage
01:12:06.960
and marry them. And these two things are compatible under the Christian faith. Is that correct?
01:12:12.460
Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, the church, we don't, it's a hospital for souls. So it's not
01:12:17.820
like we reject sinners. Everybody can be saved and everybody can bring the baggage. The point is to
01:12:22.740
pick up your cross and follow Christ and try to get rid of that baggage and become more like Christ.
01:12:27.800
But in regards to things that we do before we kind of make that transition or try to live
01:12:32.540
our lives in that light, uh, it all has consequences. And I think that that's the
01:12:37.320
delineation here is that there's consequences to our actions, but it's not that you can't be forgiven
01:12:41.440
or be the ideal person that you choose to be in the future. And I think that, that delineation can
01:12:48.260
be difficult to talk with people about because, uh, you know, if you are a man of high status and you
01:12:56.600
have good values and you're ready to get married, I mean, it, it's important, like, uh, choices that
01:13:02.800
people make and the consequences that come with that are important because you're sharing a life
01:13:08.180
together. And so obviously regarding OnlyFans and all this different stuff, I mean, one of the things
01:13:13.280
that I was very conscious of is some of the, the work that's been done on how many sexual partners
01:13:18.880
and the pair bonding and how that breaks down after six. And I think that's a really big deal
01:13:23.860
if you're trying to find somebody to, uh, have a long-term relationship with and a life with, uh,
01:13:30.280
doesn't mean that that is a, uh, marker in which you have to reject all people, um, you know, and,
01:13:36.600
and be very rigid, but it's a real conversation. And I think that's difficult to have with people is
01:13:42.060
like, Hey, um, I know that maybe the man that you're looking for has the qualities you're looking
01:13:47.820
for, but also there's a conversation here and him trying to live his life the best way means that
01:13:52.660
he should have some say and the type of people that he chooses and who he's going to build his
01:13:56.680
life with and who's going to be a great mother and, and steer his household. Um, may I ask you a
01:14:02.200
question? Sure. Um, do you know, um, who Nala Fitness is? Yes, I do. Um, so I'm like from the same
01:14:10.120
agency as her and I have the same manager as her. Um, like, what do you think about her? Because
01:14:17.000
I mean, I would like to do that one day, like transition out of OnlyFans and get married.
01:14:25.420
Um, like what are your thoughts on her situation? My thoughts on Nala is I think it's great that
01:14:31.680
again, she claims that she found Christ and she's turning over a new leaf. Um, I don't think she
01:14:36.560
should be in a position talking about theology. So if I, in my opinion, if you did have a promiscuous
01:14:43.160
past, you're doing, you know, um, adult content, OnlyFans, this type of thing. And then you've
01:14:49.380
turned over this new leaf and three months later you're lecturing people about what Christ means
01:14:54.360
or what the Christian church teaches. Uh, again, she's kind of Protestant. So we have differences.
01:14:59.020
I'm, I'm Eastern Orthodox, but still, um, if somebody's truly repentful, I think it'd be appropriate
01:15:04.180
to kind of step out of the limelight for a few years and actually try to live that life.
01:15:08.300
Instead, some of the content that I've seen is she's like doing, uh, trad cooking videos,
01:15:13.280
you know, and then she also has her tits pushed up and she's licking the spoon in a very sexual
01:15:17.660
manner. And so is that somebody that's truly repentful or is that somebody that decided,
01:15:21.860
yeah, maybe that lane isn't what I want, but I still want all the attention. I still want all the,
01:15:25.760
the gratification of young men simping for me and tell me how beautiful I am. And now I'm just
01:15:30.580
a trad wife and look, I'm a non-denominational Christian and I can kind of form my own theology
01:15:35.500
and what the Bible means. So in my opinion, I think it's, again, if it's a sincere repentance
01:15:41.300
and a transition, good for her. I think that's great. At the same time, she is not in a position
01:15:46.140
to be lecturing people or doing online content, telling people about Christian theology and why
01:15:50.740
we can't criticize or be upset that she's doing certain things, even though she's turned
01:15:55.460
her a new leaf over. A lot of people I've been seeing, um, that are like very Christian and stuff
01:16:02.340
are saying that she should like donate her money because she made, I believe like $18 million on
01:16:09.320
OnlyFans. And what, what do you think about that? Like keeping the money or giving it away?
01:16:15.140
I mean, if that would have to be, again, I would advise her if she actually had a spiritual father.
01:16:20.320
I mean, if she was Orthodox, she would have a priest. She'd have somebody that would know
01:16:23.800
her background story, the intricacies of her life, and they could actually give her advice
01:16:28.480
on what would be spiritually beneficial for her. Uh, again, I'm not a priest. That may be the
01:16:35.300
recommendation of saying, look, you have all this money. Um, you made it in a way that was
01:16:40.280
very sinful and you're very conscious of that now. Um, could you do something beneficial with that?
01:16:46.540
Or, you know, she claims that she lost a lot of it through taxes and all this different stuff. So
01:16:51.280
I, I don't, I don't know her financial situation. I don't know what would be most beneficial for her
01:16:57.180
soul and her spiritual state, but I would imagine that, um, you know, figuring out how to use that
01:17:04.840
money in an appropriate way that reflects this new lifestyle that she claims to be living. Yeah.
01:17:10.300
I think that would, that would probably be the more ideal version to go.
01:17:13.440
All right. Can I say something? So I actually met her yesterday and she was amazing. And I,
01:17:19.140
I do understand your point of like theologically talking about it or putting it out there. But
01:17:26.400
I also do take the standpoint of in the Bible, Jesus's last thing here on earth was like
01:17:33.200
sending out, go, go tell everyone, um, in the great commission. And like, no matter if,
01:17:41.180
you know, she's this amazing person, bad person, we all fall short no matter what. And so I'm not going
01:17:48.740
to go judge her for what she's been through, but it wants to walk now in a new life when I know that
01:17:53.860
I've messed up every day too. And, you know, I think what she is doing because God blessed her with
01:18:00.900
the platform, you know, she went through all of this for a purpose, for a reason. And now she has
01:18:07.560
the ability to speak truth. Um, and whoever seen it, listening to it, watching it, you know,
01:18:14.060
no matter where her heart is on that inside of her, the message of the gospel and Jesus is still
01:18:21.280
being received out of it. And I think that's a good thing.
01:18:24.860
Do you think Jesus would appreciate her doing sexually content with her trad cooking videos?
01:18:30.620
So again, that's my point is there's still a lot of baggage there. And I think for,
01:18:36.380
and this is generally speaking regarding the attention economy that we live in with social
01:18:39.780
media is that attention is currency. In fact, it's almost more powerful than the actual dollar.
01:18:45.540
How much attention can you garner? Cause you can always turn that attention into actual money.
01:18:49.500
And so for women, this is what, you know, so many guys have come on here on this, whatever
01:18:53.380
podcast and talked about how this is like, uh, deforming the, the dating and sexual dynamics
01:18:59.880
between men and women, because women can get so much attention and gratification online through
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social media posts. So if that is the new version of her, well, why don't you just kind of step out
01:19:10.800
of the limelight? And wouldn't that actually encourage more people? And maybe she made a video
01:19:14.600
every once in a while talking about, Hey, I'm happily married. Hey, now I found a man that actually
01:19:19.260
supports me. Look, this is what I'm doing. This is where I'm at my journey. Okay, great. But still
01:19:24.520
constantly feeding the attention economy now in a new grift in a way. Again, I don't know her
01:19:29.700
heart and God bless her and her husband. I'm not here to condemn anybody. Have you met
01:19:33.100
her? No, I've never met her. Well, I mean, her heart was pure in this. I mean, I was watching
01:19:40.500
her speak truth to other young women. But she did come on here with Andrew Wilson and denied
01:19:45.860
the Trinity. And so that's, that's my point in regards to like, just set it out for a little
01:19:50.060
bit. Like, why don't you actually adopt the lifestyle and the worldview and get comfortable
01:19:53.900
and learn what it is that you're actually participating in before you come on the whatever podcast as
01:19:58.700
a born again Christian and like make like obvious elementary mistakes on what it is that we believe
01:20:04.320
and who are we worshiping. I can understand that. Do you think that's a problem that she
01:20:08.500
doesn't know everything, even though she's beginning to start? Like maybe she really changed her mind
01:20:12.600
and her mindset and she's trying to do that to other women. Yeah. And she might not be as educated
01:20:17.520
as you because you took, you know, your whole life to do that. So what's your like actual problem
01:20:21.900
with her saying something while she's not fully educated in the matter matter right then? It's not
01:20:26.060
about, she doesn't need a PhD or a doctorate degree in theology. My only point is just set
01:20:30.240
it out for a little bit. Like, why don't you just give it a break for a couple years? So she's like
01:20:33.740
proving that she's really devoted to that. That's my only thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not
01:20:37.240
saying, and she could come back and she could still not be super well educated me talking more
01:20:41.060
from a testimonial, uh, you know, personal perspective, subjective experience. That is fine.
01:20:46.340
She doesn't need to know, but it's like to just make this quick transition and still be engaged
01:20:50.860
with all the attention and garnering attention from young men. I mean, just go look at the comments
01:20:54.760
on some of these videos. I mean, clearly the young men are seeing what I'm seeing, the ones that are
01:20:59.920
simping for it and like interested in, you know, uh, you know, online women, uh, kind of presenting
01:21:06.140
themselves in sexual ways. So all I'm saying is she may have a wonderful heart. I've never met her
01:21:11.940
personally. My only thing is why don't you just give it a break instead of going on Michael Knowles
01:21:16.160
and doing all these podcasts to like glorify, look at me. I'm the archetype of the transitionary
01:21:20.700
figure from only fans to Christianity. It's like, okay, great. Um, why don't you just live that life
01:21:26.220
for a little bit? But isn't it a good thing that she's like, you know, educating girls that might
01:21:31.920
be in the same situation? Like for me, it was like a really big eye opener. And like, if she did what
01:21:37.920
you were saying and like taking a couple of years off, like, I wouldn't really think that that would
01:21:42.620
be even possible for like someone like me. And we're like, we were, I mean, she was in a very
01:21:47.740
similar situation as me. So for me, it was like eyeopening. But she could tell everybody she's
01:21:55.440
quitting only fans and becoming a Christian. Like she could let the whole world know what it is she's
01:22:00.220
doing and the journey that she's going on without still being, trying to be some type of public figure
01:22:05.660
now in a new context. That's my only, that's my criticism here is that it's, again, I'm not
01:22:11.260
criticizing her body of knowledge. I'm not, it's the, the idea is that she makes this huge
01:22:15.640
transition and then she's lecturing people about it. And it's still, you look at some
01:22:20.720
of the content, some of these cooking videos, it's like, maybe it's better than the content
01:22:25.920
she was making before, but is this, is this truly what Jesus Christ wants her to do with
01:22:31.120
her life? Is this truly the, uh, you know, emblematic of a Christian traditional woman?
01:22:36.400
Um, huh? She's spreading the word of Christ through her huge platform. So he would want
01:22:42.400
that, right? I would think that he would prefer her to live the lifestyle and spread the gospel.
01:22:49.180
And what do you, go ahead. So you have a problem with her being a public figure in general, or
01:22:53.960
you have a problem with the kind of content she's creating? My problem is just that she is presenting
01:23:00.780
herself as a voice of Christianity and she's very new to this. But again, have you seen the
01:23:08.240
cooking videos? I think I saw them. Yeah. So she has her tits out, her things on top, and then she's
01:23:13.440
like licking the spoon while looking at the camera. I mean, is this, is this, this, this isn't like
01:23:18.660
traditional trad, like I have buddies that have wives that are very traditional and they have very
01:23:24.400
large online followings. They are totally covered up. The content is not about them. It's about the
01:23:30.220
cooking. It's about how we make sourdough bread. It's about the things that they're doing. Her
01:23:34.460
content is still about her. I think the camera's focused on her. I think people like sexualize
01:23:39.100
her without her meaning to do that to herself. I mean, she's really pretty and I think, um, she has
01:23:46.720
a lot of fans that like knew her before and like maybe they just, the comments that you're seeing
01:23:52.260
is like guys sexualizing her when she's really not meaning to and like meaning to be modest. Well,
01:23:57.900
the super chat right there says, again, Rachel Wilson says that she's now selling theology
01:24:02.140
courses, which gets to my point. Like she, again, now she's making money off teaching.
01:24:06.780
And again, and if she was true to scripture, I mean, what does St. Paul say about the role
01:24:10.340
of women in regards to teaching people about the faith? Not that they can't evangelize.
01:24:14.520
Women have been incredible at that throughout history, but being a sort of authoritative figure
01:24:19.760
on theology or on the church, I mean, it's right there in the epistles. So, uh, that's just
01:24:25.160
not, that's what I'm saying. It's just, it feels like it's not a full transition. Maybe
01:24:29.940
it's a journey for her and is totally sincere and she's on this journey, but just, why don't
01:24:34.300
you just take it a couple of years off? I mean, is that really like, is this like a controversial
01:24:39.200
take for me to say, like, if this is really true repentance, just step back a bit.
01:24:43.140
I mean, not really. You're very well-spoken and obviously educated. So I just wanted to know
01:24:48.520
like what you thought about it. No, it was a good question. It's not a crazy view. It's
01:24:53.300
more like, I feel like as a woman doing it, like that's, and she did do sex work. So that's
01:24:57.540
why she's viewed still in a sexual manner. And even if she fully believes that that's
01:25:01.480
not herself, I feel like she can never get away with that. And that's unfortunate. But
01:25:04.900
I feel like that's why I was asking that question because if it was a man doing it, you know,
01:25:08.840
he doesn't have boobs to show and you know what I mean? Maybe she's an outfit that shows
01:25:12.320
that, but is that her intent or is that what you're, you know, seeing from that video?
01:25:16.160
That's what I'm seeing. And that's what I'm, I just observe as a third party, look at the
01:25:19.620
comments. I mean, look at what the guys are saying that are watching it.
01:25:22.160
She'll never be able to get away from that. And that's what's sad.
01:25:23.860
But she could, she could cover herself. I mean, like again, like lowering the, the sweater
01:25:28.300
so you, and then making sure your tits are pushed. I mean, you could obviously not do
01:25:32.800
that. And again, you can make the content about the thing you're doing. Go ahead.
01:25:37.400
I mean, okay, hold on here. No matter what somebody is wearing, men are always going to
01:25:45.180
find a way to sexualize. I'm not saying all men, but they can, they have the ability
01:25:49.740
to, and they certainly do. Our industry wouldn't exist if they weren't paying for it. Right.
01:25:55.300
So clearly there's a demand and they want it. Right. But, but not only that, you know,
01:26:01.120
kids, women who have been victims of stuff that I don't want to say out loud and all that,
01:26:05.880
it didn't matter what they were wearing. And there's been several displays out in Europe
01:26:11.500
and in the U S showing like of all ages of all sorts of outfits. I mean, I'm not defending
01:26:17.840
her, but I'm saying no matter what somebody wears. Is that the rule or the exception to
01:26:21.960
the rule? What do you mean? Are those, are those unique circumstances or is that every
01:26:26.780
man, like that's the general rule for men or are you highlighting exceptions to the rule
01:26:31.360
that actually are important to be discussed and things that we need to be critical of as
01:26:35.280
a culture? Here's the thing though. Every, everyone is different. You can't generalize because
01:26:39.200
that's one of the seven fallacies. It's a hasty generalization. You cannot. It depends
01:26:43.360
on what you're talking about. But when you're having a general conversation about dating,
01:26:46.860
you do make generalizations and that's important. 97% of all, you know, S A happenings, the
01:26:55.280
perpetrator is a man. I dispute this claim. Look it up. I dispute this. Well, here's the,
01:27:01.440
here's the interesting thing that you're conveniently ignoring. So for example, in many jurisdictions,
01:27:08.140
the crime of grape, categorically cannot be applied to women, for example, or they'll say
01:27:17.060
men cannot be victims of this crime. They can be victims of other forms of S A, but this
01:27:22.960
specific thing, and it's this very disingenuous thing that typically feminists do, where they
01:27:27.740
say, well, 99% of grapists are men. Well, if the definition itself legally. I'm talking about
01:27:33.300
people who offended children. Well, actually, just to be clear, I think the rate, if you look at,
01:27:38.900
for example, female teachers, the rate of them S A-ing their students is exceptionally high.
01:27:44.640
I mean, look at that. And then additionally, the incidence of moving off of S A to just general
01:27:51.200
violence. Mothers are much more likely to unalive their children than fathers are to unalive their
01:27:56.360
children. It's a fact. It's called infanticide. Women are far more likely to commit infanticide.
01:28:02.240
Right. But more than 50% of all girls who have been assaulted, it's by a family member usually,
01:28:07.140
and it's usually the father or the brother or the uncle. But we're getting it. I mean,
01:28:10.280
I'm happy to engage with you on your point, but I think you're, you're kind of, this is a bit of a
01:28:15.360
red herring. He's talking about under the purview of Christianity, there's a component of
01:28:20.600
modesty that should be observed. We're not, he's not, as far as I understand, making some sort of
01:28:28.180
argument that, well, because you're trying to say, well, even if women dress modestly, they get
01:28:34.460
graped. Yes. I don't think we even dispute that. He's just saying, under the purview of Christianity,
01:28:39.820
Nala's out here being a strumpet, a strumpet, and that's not, that is not commensurate with the
01:28:48.640
Christian faith. Right. But one of his main points was, look at the comments, look at the comments,
01:28:53.260
and it doesn't matter what the comments say, because there's men putting comments on children's
01:28:57.700
stuff too. So it doesn't matter what the comments say, because those are all opinions. If, if she's
01:29:03.420
going to church and then they give her that feedback, or she's got a community of believers
01:29:08.860
and they're giving her that feedback and she's still not following, obviously that's on her.
01:29:12.600
But I'm just saying for you to give men in the comments more validation than...
01:29:18.440
My point regarding the comments, it's the way that people are receiving it. So I'm not judging
01:29:23.000
her based on what men are saying. My, my point is look at how people are receiving the content
01:29:27.800
and the content, it has her licking spoons, her tits out, like doing things that are very sexual.
01:29:33.240
Yes, she's baking something. But again, if you just compare it to other traditional wife,
01:29:38.180
like Instagram accounts, the camera's focused on the things. And sometimes you'll see their face
01:29:42.860
and they're explaining something, but usually they have a long dress on, they're covered up.
01:29:45.980
And so the content is about the actual stuff. Her content is really about her. And that's what
01:29:51.460
my point is in regards to, Hey, just, just step, step out for a second. Just like take all,
01:29:57.300
get out of the attention economy that is so consuming. And again, I mean, we've talked about
01:30:01.720
OnlyFans, like the industry, like that is a thing that actually draws women in is that you can get so
01:30:07.660
much attention in a sense that is power and that is a currency. And that's all I'm saying is just take,
01:30:12.000
if you're in that industry and you're trying to now change a new leaf, like why don't you do that
01:30:16.440
just for a little bit? So people can see the whole sincerity of it.
01:30:19.640
But I just don't think like the feedback from these men in the comments, especially online,
01:30:23.840
when it's easier to be a bully online should be, should be where you determine whether or not
01:30:30.220
My point is like they're simping for her. So they're making sexual comments about like what she's doing.
01:30:35.540
So they're interpreting it as very sexual. My point is, my point is, it doesn't matter.
01:30:41.740
I'm not judging her based on what they're saying. My point is, look, here's content.
01:30:46.020
Here's the audience. I'm just observing the, the, how it's being received.
01:30:51.880
Yes. That's it. Yeah. And I'm not blaming, I'm not saying, Oh, we need to look at her,
01:30:55.540
the, all the young men comments, the simpy fans, and then judge her based on what they're saying.
01:31:00.060
No, no, no. I'm saying, okay, here's the content. I'm aware of her context and her transition.
01:31:04.120
Okay. Interesting. Now let's just look at how it's received.
01:31:07.960
And you look at some of the way it's being received. They're receiving it as very sexual.
01:31:15.120
We have some chats here coming through. We have creamy. What the fuck is this name?
01:31:23.860
Oh, I don't know. That shouldn't be a TTS. My mistake.
01:31:26.200
Six four. Conservative slash family oriented kind of Kelowna girl or a spends too much time at liquid zoo kind.
01:31:34.120
If it's the former, let me know if we can grab a drink sometime.
01:31:49.000
Sorry. That should have came in through as read.
01:31:53.080
So, Creamy, that's a weird, you got to change your name.
01:31:59.620
If you are simping on any panelist, you have to send in another message.
01:32:07.940
And you must, I guess you got to apologize to me, to the men in the studio, and then just to the world in general for your simpery.
01:32:28.120
And if you guys do want to get a message in, $100 read.
01:32:33.100
We're going to go through the rest of the notes here.
01:32:49.380
So, you said you were on a date with a guy, and the guy you slept with the night before came up and told him to have fun.
01:33:05.900
I was on a date with someone before I started in this industry.
01:33:14.720
And this other guy that I had, you know, slept with, he came up to the other guy and was like, he was like, have fun tasting my, you know, nut.
01:33:37.500
I guess I had seen that other guy, like, a few times, and he really liked me.
01:33:46.200
So, I think that he, yeah, I think that he just was upset to see me on a date with someone else.
01:34:01.900
You also wrote, people date in the adult industry way more than they do outside of the industry, which is interesting to you.
01:34:11.000
I think we, well, we didn't really talk about that, but you said you agree with a lot of the points that Brian makes.
01:34:17.460
You're just contradictory towards yourself being in the adult entertainment industry.
01:34:22.720
I feel like we covered that, kind of, you know?
01:34:28.960
You said you'd love to talk about gender roles and being raised traditional, but still choosing to do the career.
01:34:35.600
So, when you say you were raised traditional, like, are both your parents still together?
01:34:48.260
Um, my dad was raised Catholic, and my mom was, like, Catholic, like, I think she was, like, in Catholicism, but, um, yeah.
01:35:01.520
And then they decided to break away from the Catholic world, but they still held on to, like, Catholic morals.
01:35:08.160
So, I still had, like, the roots of Catholicism, so to speak, just not the religious aspect of it.
01:35:19.400
And then you wrote, as far as modern dating goes, part of the reason you decided to get involved in the industry was because you were tired.
01:35:29.860
You were tired of, uh, dating and not getting satisfied in the bedroom, yet every guy you've been with felt it was cool to film you during carnal knowledge.
01:35:44.680
So, okay, you got into the industry, one of the, I guess, one of the other reasons you got into the industry is because all the guys prior to it were, or maybe most of them were bad in bed, basically?
01:35:55.260
No, I just, I, I don't know, I had, dating now, I feel like outside of Korn, like, outside of even, like, you know, OF or adult entertainment, I just feel like it's, like, really shitty now, a days.
01:36:12.360
Like, just dating, like, like, just dating in general, like, on both ends, for the guys and the girls.
01:36:17.500
And that, I feel like, I feel like everyone can agree with that.
01:36:22.540
Um, I think, honestly, um, I, I, I, I don't know, like, it's just this day and age, a lot of girls, and I'm not just saying just girls, but girls, I mean, the sex industry is, like, rising and rising by number.
01:36:42.380
And a lot of girls are making a lot more money, like, I'm not saying that guys make more, or girls make more money than guys right now, but a lot of girls are growing to make more money than, like, the typical guy nowadays.
01:36:55.280
And, like, I feel like it's, I don't know, guys, I feel like, are not stepping up to the plate as men, and I feel like girls are starting to become men.
01:37:09.500
Does that mean they're not making enough money?
01:37:10.620
What does it mean they're not stepping up to the plate?
01:37:13.800
What, like, oh my god, I feel like I'm gonna get so much, like, hate for this.
01:37:21.180
Um, no, I feel like, I feel like guys have taken a step down because girls have taken an alpha step up, if that makes sense.
01:37:35.800
Like, women have really, like, made a stance to, like, you know, like, we've pushed, like, as women, like, we've pushed hard to become, you know, equal and just be seen as equal and just, like, financially equal.
01:37:50.860
And I feel like we've pushed past that threshold and now we're, like, alphas, in a sense.
01:38:00.280
And I feel like men have, like, kind of just, yeah.
01:38:05.840
Do you think that that dynamic actually, like, they bring each other together?
01:38:09.500
Do you think the alpha men out there are dealing with alpha women?
01:38:13.320
Or do you think they're finding traditional women that actually are submissive and want the same things in regards to traditional roles?
01:38:21.060
I just feel like it's, the percentage of that has dropped, like, tremendously.
01:38:26.400
Do you think religion and tradition has anything to do with that?
01:38:30.840
I mean, I feel like tradition has died over the years.
01:38:36.900
And the normalization of sex work is one of the things that is sort of deleterious to our culture and to, you know, again, young men that become addicted to masturbating and, and doing the, watching the stuff online.
01:38:48.640
I mean, they're naturally going to become more simpy and more beta because their highest goal is sexual gratification.
01:38:54.880
And so they're going to be more submissive to a woman if that opportunity means that they can have sexual gratification.
01:39:01.600
Yeah, no, I mean, I, I just see the shift and I know the shift.
01:39:05.120
So going back to what you said before, like, as far as dating goes, like, I wasn't getting satisfied by men, you know, emotionally or physically anymore outside of the industry.
01:39:18.360
And I was like, I'm tired of, you know, hoping that I get that spark when I go meet up with a guy rather than just, like, getting booked with a really hot guy and, like, possibly having that chemistry and possibly, like, we're both in the industry, we both get each other and we both, you know, like, can grow something together or not.
01:39:41.160
You had, you had something, you were raising your hand.
01:39:46.880
Wait, can you just, like, straighten your mic a little bit so it's just, like, half facing, yeah.
01:39:50.500
I feel like a lot of the fault is, is trying to be placed on the women who are in the industry.
01:39:56.620
And obviously, they are accountable for their own actions.
01:40:13.200
That'd be like you getting mad at Amazon employees for what Amazon's doing.
01:40:18.060
With your OF, you guys are independent contractors.
01:40:36.260
Again, take accountability for your own actions.
01:40:42.800
I mean, I agree with you that men shouldn't be consuming this content.
01:40:46.860
They shouldn't be following a bunch of thoughts on Instagram.
01:41:13.120
It's like men have to stop consuming this content.
01:41:15.560
And men have to actually have orientation and direction in their lives so that a woman that they meet when it's the right one will be submissive to where they're going and what they're building in their lives so that they can help them.
01:41:26.360
At the same time, the chicken and the egg is, we just talked about the erosion of tradition, the erosion of religion, and how sex work in general is part of that hamster wheel.
01:41:37.040
And so it's like, yeah, I totally agree with you.
01:41:41.480
They shouldn't be paying for all this stuff online and giving women this ability and these platforms.
01:41:46.060
And at the same time, choosing to do it because of the opportunity, it's just like this cyclical feedback loop that feeds on each other.
01:41:53.680
But we wouldn't have jobs unless the demand was there.
01:41:56.720
So if that's cut, we won't have jobs and we won't exist anymore.
01:42:08.220
I wouldn't place the blame fully on one or the other.
01:42:11.860
It's not on one or the other, but I'm saying the consumers of it are men.
01:42:20.520
The ones who are paying for our salaries are men.
01:42:25.980
Where is their values that you're talking about?
01:42:28.040
We both recognize that men consume this content.
01:42:31.840
But there is a shared culpability and blame that exists both on the men consuming it but also on the people producing it.
01:42:39.620
But all the action and blame towards women, I don't see any of those same actions or effort towards stopping men.
01:42:46.040
There's a massive effort to stop men from consuming adult content.
01:42:50.160
I mean, the entire, whether you're Judaism or Islam or Christianity, understanding with all these religions, there's a big push against consuming this sort of content.
01:43:04.200
But outside of even religion, you have, like, there's apps that are trying to get people to quit.
01:43:09.620
And there's, like, even secular components of people saying, hey, this content's not good for you.
01:43:15.800
Even if you're not looking at it from a religious perspective, there's definitely, there's people out there who are advocating, this is just blanketly whether you're religious or not.
01:43:25.680
It's unhealthy for your relationships as a man to be consuming this content.
01:43:33.140
It's just going to impact your general relationship with your girlfriend or wife.
01:43:36.920
And so I think there's a whole bunch of angles that are coming in and saying, I think women themselves on the individual relationship level,
01:43:44.240
I think most women's stated preferences is strongly against having a partner that watches or consumes this sort of adult content.
01:43:52.700
So I think there's a whole bunch of angles that are actually tackling the male component of this.
01:44:00.060
And if the efforts aren't working to stop the men, then, again, it goes back to stopping the companies.
01:44:04.080
Because either way, we're just employees or people working to make the content that's in demand by these companies.
01:44:12.560
The vast majority of my audience are young men, typically under the age of 40, mostly in late teens, mid-20s.
01:44:19.720
And so I'm constantly criticizing and putting more and more onus on them to stop.
01:44:23.360
So my community, my audience, and the Orthodox Church in general is seeing a massive increase of young men converting to the church.
01:44:30.440
This is all tied with the priest trying to rid them of these problems so that they can actually be truly masculine men that are marriageable.
01:44:37.380
And so there are major cultural phenomenons right now that are happening where people are becoming more conscious of this.
01:44:43.340
And young men are trying to break free of it because they're realizing that the lust, the sexual imagery, all the sexualization of our culture that's constantly around us is that they can't turn it off.
01:44:52.440
And once you get trapped in that feedback loop, again, of, like, constantly lusting and watching pornography and masturbating, they become very weak.
01:45:04.960
I mean, this is what this podcast does is try to wake men up and criticize the simpy men that are contributing to it to shame them in a way.
01:45:26.340
Honestly, I think for at least a period of 50 years, maybe a century, I think, you know, don't even pay for dates.
01:45:46.260
No, like, I think there's levels of everything, right?
01:45:48.000
Like, being a simp, there could be an extreme level of being a simp, right?
01:45:55.580
Hmm, let me think about my thoughts before I go off.
01:45:58.020
But why do you think it's a bad thing to be a simp?
01:46:01.800
Well, I think the whole simp thing is you basically have these guys doing way too much, being way too extra for women who are, like, vaguely interested or not even interested at all.
01:46:13.420
I think it's fine to be a provider for a woman when there's, like, some degree of established relationship.
01:46:20.400
But you'll have guys who are simping over women who, like, those men are invisible to that woman.
01:46:26.580
And the other thing is, like, if a woman is sexually involved with another man, I know a lot of people move this way, maybe at this table, I don't know.
01:46:36.040
But, like, you can't be doing the traditional thing or simping for a girl who, like, in your case, you said you were out at a club or something.
01:46:46.720
And the guy who you fucked, a different guy who you fucked the night before, he walked over.
01:46:53.440
And he said something about, like, enjoy my seed inside your girl.
01:47:01.040
We can't be simping for women who are sexually involved with other men.
01:47:05.160
I think, but my other baseline, my other threshold is, you can't be simping for a girl who's even romantically involved with another guy.
01:47:13.140
My rule is, if a girl wants to deal with me, there can't be other dudes in the picture.
01:47:19.100
She has to give me her undivided romantic and sexual attention as quickly as possible.
01:47:25.620
Well, if she's involved, just to be clear, if she's even sexually involved with another dude, I don't want anything with her.
01:47:45.720
I'm just saying, a lot of women, they're dealing with multiple dudes.
01:47:52.520
You can't even hold a girl's hand if she's dealing with another dude.
01:48:03.680
My brain is, you know, tradition to like, or whatever, conditioned to believe a certain thing, right?
01:48:10.120
But I'm trying to break away from that because it's not making sense in today's age, right?
01:48:16.640
Like, girls don't get out of high school and be like, oh, like, oh, you can join college, you can go in the military, or like, you can go do corn, right?
01:48:28.360
Like, no one says, like, go, oh, yeah, you can go do OnlyFans.
01:48:45.080
But at the same time, like, it's making us a lot of money.
01:49:04.060
We have to embrace masculinity and reject modernity.
01:49:19.440
And we're not going to have that when people are fucking a bunch of people.
01:49:24.800
If I'm going on a date with a girl and she's dating three other dudes, it's a wrap.
01:49:30.240
So when it comes to simping, right, again, I think you should be head over heels for your girl.
01:49:35.900
But you can't be head over heels for some girl who's texting 20 other dudes and who's fucking three other dudes.
01:49:42.820
She's, if you're going to be, you know, have that love for a girl or if you're going to be providing or you're going to be protecting, it has to be your girl exclusively.
01:49:52.240
You can't deal with some chick who's fucking another dude.
01:49:58.420
Did I hear the word masculinity from both of you?
01:50:00.240
Like when we're talking about this topic, like do you think it demasculines, like them being like overly sexual or overly, you know, simping or any of that stuff?
01:50:09.300
Like does that show them as a man of some sort?
01:50:11.440
Like the way that I believe masculinity has to do with boundaries, right?
01:50:14.800
So men defend boundaries and maintain boundaries.
01:50:17.160
And I would say, as he was mentioning modernity, we live in a modernist period and the whole project of progressivism is actually eroding distinctions and boundaries that our culture is typically upheld.
01:50:28.140
And so that, by its nature, actually feminizes our culture and feminizes the men within it.
01:50:32.920
I mean, when men go to battle in history, they're defending a boundary.
01:50:41.440
Masculinity is about maintaining boundaries in a metaphysical sense, right?
01:50:47.160
And so we live in a period where there are no boundaries.
01:50:49.140
There are no boundaries between men and women, right?
01:50:51.360
Women, I mean, men now menstruate, right, is what we're told.
01:51:01.620
I mean, you have, like, Antifa saying, no border, no wall, no USA at all.
01:51:06.300
This is a dissolution of national boundaries, of national identity and heritage.
01:51:12.500
And so the meaning crisis that people like Jordan Peterson and Paggio and Verveke are talking about is that men have no identity because there's no boundaries that actually conforms to them that they can defend and actually live within.
01:51:24.840
And so this is where the loss of masculinity is that there's no boundaries for men to actually defend.
01:51:29.460
And a man's identity is about defending something.
01:51:32.340
That's why when men have children or they get married, it gives them the sense of masculinity.
01:51:36.760
Hopefully they live up to that role in a traditional Christian sense because we have expectations on what that looks like.
01:51:43.400
Oh, protector, provider, and a spiritual leader.
01:51:46.520
And it's not like your wife is your slave or something.
01:51:50.220
You love her just like Christ loves the church.
01:51:52.540
You love her in a loving way and you care to her.
01:51:55.320
Or you give her the opportunity for her to then express her femininity.
01:52:00.840
And at least in my perspective, like the highest goal is not a career.
01:52:06.880
And my wife, her highest goal is to have children and actually nurture that family and raise those kids.
01:52:13.620
Everything is a secondary effect that contributes to that.
01:52:16.100
But just as we were talking about the boss babe and the money you make on OnlyFans and the alphavization of women, well, this is an inversion of roles.
01:52:25.280
And it's tied with, again, the dissolution of boundaries through the sexual content and all this different stuff.
01:52:31.460
So I think there's the larger problem with masculinity is men do not have boundaries in which they can have structural identity and actually defend something and be proud of something to give them some meaning in their life.
01:52:48.100
Like, I do not want to be, like, the provider even though I make a lot of money.
01:52:56.140
So I don't see, like, all of OnlyFans girls are boss babes.
01:53:00.180
Wait, can you move your mic to the edge of the table there?
01:53:02.880
Well, would you date a man that doesn't make the same amount of money as you?
01:53:08.460
So to the point is that's what they were talking about, the difficulty of dynamics with their relationships is that they tend to constantly be the providers.
01:53:18.240
And it's difficult for them to find something that fits what they would feel more comfortable with.
01:53:23.040
At least that was your kind of general contention.
01:53:26.660
And so you're still, even though maybe you're submissive and you present yourself, you know, very more feminine in certain ways, but still what you're doing as an industry and your OF being really the center of your life, you are a boss babe.
01:53:40.020
You may not be the alphavization that they're talking about.
01:53:43.460
You may not be, like, mute to your feelings or very stoic, but you're still kind of the boss babe that's making money, focused on her career, wanting to get clout.
01:53:51.440
You're talking about clout chasing earlier, and all these things are contributing to the things that...
01:53:56.460
Well, yeah, I want to make a ton of money, but I'm saying, like, in dating or marriage, like, he's going to have to make way more than me.
01:54:02.800
But don't you see that as that journey progresses for you, that's going to be much and much more difficult for the window and selection of men that you're going to be able to have.
01:54:15.060
I'm just saying, the more money you make and the more you go down this journey, the pool of eligible men that would fit any category that you would want is to become smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.
01:54:39.260
You know, we were talking about this, maybe it was two episodes ago.
01:54:49.580
You know, I've not quite given it the best title yet.
01:55:03.700
So, if the body, the specific body, I'm not saying the Goopy Gravy, what's his name?
01:55:23.000
I'm not saying that's the case for him, but certain dudes have a multiplier next to their
01:55:32.440
So, like, if a girl fucks a grimy dude, that might as well be, like, ten bodies.
01:55:39.780
Let's say she fucked one grimy dude and that's it.
01:55:46.920
Now, she hasn't fucked ten dudes, but, like, her body count is one.
01:55:51.380
Her body count is one, but, like, the multiplier is ten.
01:56:03.780
It's like, yo, even if you don't have an STD, what I'm trying to say is, if a girl fucked,
01:56:09.040
like, the nice guy next door and he's, like, I don't know, fucking virgin, whatever, whatever.
01:56:15.040
But, if she fucked, like, Tekashi 6ix9ine, that's, like, ten bodies.
01:56:32.540
Like, if a guy, like, you knew his exes and, like, they were, like, you knew them, you
01:56:37.680
didn't have, like, beef with them and they were nice girls or whatever, they didn't...
01:56:40.760
They weren't grimy, but if, like, a dude hooked up with Bonnie Blue, that's a grimy chick, and
01:56:48.740
then you're, like, damn, like, his body count is higher.
01:56:54.040
Like, this lovely lady over here has a higher body count.
01:56:59.660
I think she's a lovely lady, and I don't think a body count...
01:57:29.820
...symbol tattooed on him, that's a body count amplifier multiplier.
01:57:34.020
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:57:36.240
If you fuck a dude who's got a chest tattoo with...
01:57:42.840
Isaiah Maxwell is an OG in the industry, and I will not let you say anything negative
01:57:55.300
I feel like looking at you, you look like a very average individual...
01:58:02.100
I'm saying if I saw you on the street, I wouldn't be like, oh, this man is...
01:58:09.080
I've met lots of people who look average, and they're the freakest of the freaks.
01:58:13.920
And especially girls who are the girls' back door with the glasses on, those are the freakiest
01:58:24.360
As long as you're showered and tested, I don't care what your background is.
01:58:29.560
Also, why is all the heat on me right now with this picture, and then we have like...
01:58:37.860
And by the way, just to be clear, you were like, oh my God, don't talk shit.
01:58:50.420
For males in the industry, that's like difficult.
01:58:53.560
No, it was more so the tattoo, I guess, because like the radioactive toxic tattoo.
01:59:00.800
I feel like you guys should go try and do corn for just a little bit and see how it goes for you.
01:59:08.700
But I mean, what I would say, though, I mean, since you did elaborate that he is a porn star,
01:59:14.040
any girl who's dealt with a porn star, no offense to male porn stars, that's grimy.
01:59:22.060
No, it's okay if it's grimy, but why is it grimy?
01:59:25.140
Most of the people in the traditional porn industry, they have herpes.
01:59:33.200
The STD rate in the adult industry is pretty high.
01:59:44.460
Because we're having sex with multiple people all the time.
01:59:55.860
There are a lot of personal tests that people take, too.
01:59:59.180
But the industry-mandated STD tests, do you need to test for herpes or HPV?
02:00:16.700
Plus, we look at mycoplasma genitalium and ureaplasma genitalium, which most of these guys
02:00:26.320
But with Isaiah and Donnie and stuff, they've used the industry to fund their other businesses.
02:00:31.340
Like, they started Pornibus, which is a cannabis company, and they own these shops and stuff.
02:00:46.880
If you've had more than, like, I don't know, one sexual partner, you probably have fucking
02:00:59.000
And anyways, I'm not going to get into this because I don't even know...
02:01:04.380
She's clean, and she's not grimy, and we're not going to talk about her like that, okay?
02:01:07.880
I'm just saying, if a girl dealt with, has dealt with, whether, well, I mean, you guys
02:01:12.040
are in the industry, so of course you're sleeping with these men, but even if she was a civilian
02:01:15.600
and she fucked a porn star, that's a body count multiplier for the chick.
02:01:22.360
Any guy who's been in the porn industry is a grimy dude.
02:01:25.160
I'm not saying that to be mean, but if you're in the porn industry, like, no offense.
02:01:31.580
Yeah, and you know, once I quit my 9 to 5 and did this industry, I multiplied my salary
02:01:42.900
You know, I'm not a Christian, but I take great inspiration from the Bible, and I think
02:01:48.340
it goes something along the lines of, what good is it for a man to gain the world if it's
02:01:58.700
Well, there's other ways you can support your family.
02:02:06.980
I'm not in a position to name you what industry or what job, but still, you're doing, I mean,
02:02:12.460
there's a moral exchange here, and I do believe that there's a spiritual reality, and it does
02:02:16.180
have a spiritual impact the more you engage in it.
02:02:20.800
In the Bible, we call that mammon, and so you can't worship mammon and worship God.
02:02:29.380
Maybe you can do really wonderful things with the money, but the way you made the money
02:02:32.940
is an exchange of yourself in some way or another.
02:02:51.220
Yeah, with inflation and prices, which I had these statistics on written anyway.
02:02:54.520
Damn, these electricians just fucking selling their soul out here.
02:03:04.260
Damn, these bricklayers, just every brick, bro.
02:03:11.220
I feel like it's different for modern women versus women in the past, because in the past,
02:03:17.480
You know, like nowadays, women can get jobs and do something else with their life, but
02:03:24.860
These people laying concrete every fucking mile of concrete.
02:03:29.440
Yeah, like you couldn't get a job as a woman in the past.
02:03:32.000
So like a lot of women would do like things like that out of desperation, like to feed their
02:03:38.780
These damn gardeners fucking mowing lawns and shit.
02:03:41.080
Like every grass of lawn, every blade of grass cut, losing a bit of their soul.
02:03:50.560
And like the money, the aspect, the fame of that, do you like believe like in heaven?
02:04:00.540
Like, because at the end of the day, like I look at it as what I have in this world dies
02:04:08.940
I'm not taking art, like anything, objects here.
02:04:13.340
These accountants making sure people don't get fucked by the IRS.
02:04:20.680
And I was trying to answer, but they kept talking, so I couldn't.
02:04:31.540
I quit several times trying to trust God that he would pay my bills and my family.
02:04:37.720
I don't want to get into specifics for my mom's respect and everything.
02:04:41.080
But like, you know, we grew up in extreme poverty, like foreclosed trailer, like very poor.
02:04:49.140
And like, I've been able to provide not just for her, but for other people.
02:04:54.000
And on top of that, there's been girls in the industry I've met who, if I wasn't around
02:04:57.880
and talked to them about my faith and my experiences and helped them, they were spiraling down a
02:05:06.920
And I feel like everything happens for a reason.
02:05:09.280
So if you believe in God and you believe that all things can happen for good, then why can't
02:05:13.720
you believe that at the end of the day, you might be placed in this position temporarily
02:05:18.000
because you are helping those people and you are helping to better, not just yourself.
02:05:29.880
So when you read, when you read the Samaritan at the well, when Christ talks with her, does
02:05:34.860
he say, oh, you've been sleeping with all this man, you've been an adulterer, just continue
02:05:39.240
It may work out really well and something providential will occur.
02:05:43.060
Like, is there, is it wrong that you continue to engage in it?
02:05:46.600
As a Christian, from your perspective, I mean, obviously for mine, it is wrong.
02:05:51.280
And so Christ's message isn't like, don't ever judge, never criticize any sort of action.
02:06:00.320
And if you don't make enough money, well, just go ahead and do it because I can't bless
02:06:04.600
you enough to make sure I can give you enough financial stability for whatever.
02:06:10.540
The message of the gospel is to not commit sin.
02:06:13.060
So when Jesus was asked, what is the most important law or rule in the Bible, what were the two
02:06:22.540
Love your neighbor as yourself and love God with all your heart.
02:06:26.540
And so are you loving your neighbor as yourself when you contribute to an industry that we
02:06:30.700
just talked about that's shifting cultural values, degrading tradition, shifting sexual
02:06:40.040
You could say the same for employees of companies that cause a lot of damage and toxic waste and
02:06:48.860
That's like saying, oh, if you work for McDonald's, you don't love your neighbor as
02:06:52.400
thyself because it's killing people with diabetes.
02:06:54.340
That is not, so you're saying, so you're saying a big, a big Mac is the same thing as corn.
02:07:02.480
No, I'm saying you're, there's no, there's no spectrum here.
02:07:10.040
Like, cause you're trying to blame one aspect of it.
02:07:12.680
My point is that it has to be an objective morality.
02:07:17.500
However, I think that in my certain circumstance, and I can't speak for other women, they may
02:07:22.360
want the fame, they may want the attention and whatever.
02:07:25.040
I know for myself, I decided I'm going to sacrifice and do whatever I need to on a selfless
02:07:30.920
level for the people that I love and care about.
02:07:33.060
And if that, at the end of the day, tells God that I'm not worthy of going to heaven,
02:07:37.640
But I'm going to continue to do what feels right because, you know, for everything you
02:07:42.380
do, guard your heart above all else, for everything you do flows from it.
02:07:50.100
This is like honest and I'm not trying to, yeah, like I'm genuinely asking.
02:07:52.960
Fucking losing your souls, boys, out there in Alaska.
02:08:03.940
It's like ADHD and nerves are like, pow, pow, pow.
02:08:16.260
If God has a plan for everyone, then like wouldn't it, like her plan be what it is now?
02:08:35.620
Well, the whole worldview is that, from a Christian paradigm, is that we are made in the image
02:08:42.300
And with that, God was not forced to create the world.
02:08:44.620
He did so because he freely chose so, and it's out of love.
02:08:47.280
And love demands two people being able to choose.
02:08:50.300
So love cannot exist in a deterministic world or in a relationship where somebody dominates
02:09:00.520
And so the entire understanding of creation, our relationship with God, is that we are trying
02:09:05.140
to align our free will, made in the image, being able to actually be a causal force in
02:09:10.040
the world through the things that we choose, to align that with God's will.
02:09:13.760
And the more we do that, the more we as individuals become conduits for God to act in the world.
02:09:18.180
And the whole point of repentance is that we can make wrong choices.
02:09:24.300
So it's same for me, same for everybody, same for everybody at this table.
02:09:29.860
The point that I'm saying is that there has to be an objective standard for us to know
02:09:36.140
And I'm not condemning anybody or blaming anybody for all things.
02:09:40.200
The point is, if you do believe that there's an objective morality, well, clearly, from a
02:09:44.140
Christian paradigm, corn is one that's going to transgress that morality.
02:09:51.240
Do you believe that certain things are predetermined or not?
02:09:56.420
Like, give me an example of what you would say.
02:10:00.160
I mean, God has your life planned out and written before you even...
02:10:03.860
Like, at least certain things could be predetermined.
02:10:07.140
Like, I'm not saying little details, but, like, I don't know.
02:10:16.100
Again, this was a conversation that came up yesterday in the debate.
02:10:18.760
Is God's perspective is outside space and time.
02:10:22.980
So, from God's perspective, you've already lived and you've already died.
02:10:25.920
Because he already knows the decisions that you made, but his knowledge, again, this is
02:10:30.400
a logical fallacy that foreknowledge entails causality.
02:10:34.600
And that's what I was trying to convey to Zena yesterday.
02:10:39.760
So, just because God knows the choices we make and knows the end point of our lives
02:10:43.960
that we are living within temporal space and time right now, we are experiencing the
02:10:53.280
And he doesn't determine the choices we've made, the fact that he knows what we've made.
02:10:57.280
And in that journey, he can absolutely have providence and providential occurrences in which
02:11:21.320
I'm not stating anything like that this is the case.
02:11:24.620
But is it logically possible that Christianity could be false?
02:11:31.280
Well, I would argue if you utilize logic and you begin to analyze different systems.
02:11:36.900
So, obviously, atheism is already out because a materialistic framework doesn't allow for
02:11:44.360
So, therefore, relative and therefore, they can change.
02:11:56.180
Well, you're asking me to defend a retired religious orientation.
02:12:00.020
And that's going to take a few bigger words than maybe two syllables.
02:12:09.680
I'm just asking if logically it's possible that it could be.
02:12:15.140
I would say if you utilize logic to the end point, it's the only paradigm that makes
02:12:19.560
knowledge, objective morality, and a coherent metaphysical world make sense.
02:12:25.600
And so, when people do apologetics against something like Islam, we are then using the
02:12:31.000
laws of logic to analyze, okay, this is the God that you worship.
02:12:34.600
Does it violate things or does it become incoherent or self-contradictory?
02:12:38.740
And so, from a Christian perspective, we would say, well, we can deal with this.
02:12:43.200
And the entire history of apologetics is showing that, actually, if we use reason and we use
02:12:48.280
logic and we use even natural observation, we can make the case that our faith is actually
02:12:54.660
And we're the only one that claims that God came into the world.
02:12:57.100
So, out of all the world religions, it's only Christianity that says God actually took
02:13:01.140
on human nature so that we then can participate in divinity.
02:13:04.420
All of them still has a barrier between how exactly does me as an individual engage with
02:13:11.320
And I would say only Christianity actually fully bridges that because God became man.
02:13:22.120
It's not logically possible that it could be false.
02:13:27.240
I would say, yeah, no, because logic would entail that it's superior to all the other
02:13:34.400
And then I wanted to ask, could there be some circumstance?
02:13:41.940
Like, if it was proven to you, like, for example, let's say you could time travel to
02:13:51.640
And it is, you know, there's theories about, like, different timelines, different universes,
02:13:59.920
But our current timeline, assuming you could travel back to our specific universe, our
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specific timeline, it is a perfect time machine.
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And you witnessed yourself that, say, the story told of Jesus.
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None of the miracles described in the Bible occurred, the healing miracles, nature miracles,
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If you witnessed it yourself, and this is a hypothetical, would you still, like, would
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Well, I would say that the question is already, it's filled with the answer.
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So you're saying, theoretically, you're saying, if it's all false and you saw it's false, do
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And it's like, well, you've already asked me a leading question that I can't actually
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Because you've already said, it's, okay, pretend everything's false.
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And it's like, well, you just put me in a position where you've characterized the whole
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But that would only be a discrepancy in terms of Jesus.
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Would you still believe that there could be a God?
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But yeah, I mean, obviously I'm Christian because I've kicked the tires.
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I think that's the difference between Christianity and some of these other systems is that it
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And I think Orthodoxy in particular has a long history.
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It's a 2,000-year-old church founded by the apostles split with Catholicism in 1054, and
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And it now still exists in 2025 unchanged in many ways.
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I think that's why when you look online and you see who are the best debaters and what's
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really kind of getting the views, it's Orthodoxy because we welcome the criticism.
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We welcome it because we think that we have the superior position.
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But yeah, I guess my question is, going back to my previous question, though, if it's
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logically possible that it could be false under this hypothetical scenario where you could
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time travel back in time, it's a perfect time machine, it is the same universe, there's
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not any funky stuff going on with multiverse, whatever.
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And you saw with your own eyes there was no resurrection, et cetera.
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Would it, under that purview, wouldn't it then be logically possible that Christianity could
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I don't think a time travel is logically possible.
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So you're telling me, logically possible, let me give you an illogical hypothetical and
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I just disagree with the way you're framing it.
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I don't think you're following along with anything that's been talking about.
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But I'm not going to let you put me in a hypothetical in which I could say that something that I
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truly, deeply believe to be true could be false.
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Because I've, again, I've lived a very different lifestyle before I became Orthodox.
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I was very much into progressivism and living a contemporary American lifestyle.
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And so I've done those things, and I got out of it due to questioning and trying to come
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But, again, belief can still be built on rational, logical principles.
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Just because I can, you know, you believe that you're going to exist tomorrow, it doesn't
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mean you can't make a logical and rational argument why you'll still exist tomorrow.
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So if someone's not religious and they live their life entirely without God or anything,
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So as Orthodox, we do not make claims about people's salvation.
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That's what everybody's judged on because Christ had a perfect human heart.
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All of our hearts, which is really who we are, that's what's going to be held up to
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So we would say everybody is judged within their context.
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So for example, say there's an old lady who's a Protestant who has lived a very, again, from
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all standards, a very pious and righteous life, but she's not Eastern Orthodox, but I
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believe to be the one true church founded by the apostles that still is unchanged.
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God's going to judge her in her context, and I don't know the fate of her soul.
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If you want the fullness of Christianity and the historical faith, that's us.
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So again, like the Taoist monk on Wudong Mountain in China who's doing Tai Chi every morning,
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Well, again, how can I make claims about salvation when he hasn't heard about Christ?
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And that's where when you ask, you shall receive.
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When you want to know the truth, and the truth shall set you free, the difficult thing that
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people don't realize is God will give you the answers.
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If you really have a question you're struggling with, and you pray about it sincerely, you'll
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The question is, what are you going to do with that?
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Because now you are held guilty if you reject it.
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I'm very, like, religious is a big thing for me because I respect all religions.
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I'm not religious, but I do respect every religion.
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And I don't want to choose one as my own until I fully study and understand.
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Because I think a lot of people go into religions as, like, their parents are religious, and
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And I feel like you, as yourself, should believe in it yourself.
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Like, how we're literally on a floating rock and all this stuff's happening.
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Like, God, to me, can be real because everything else is unbelievable to me.
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Like, how is all this stuff real that we can see?
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One of the very compelling arguments is the fine-tuning argument.
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I actually think that it's a strong argument for the potential existence of Aegon.
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Give me a chance, but I'm going to have you come in with the dunk.
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It's been, like, it's been a year since I've heard the fine-tuning argument.
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The fine-tuning argument, essentially, when you look at the cosmological situation that
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allows life to persist on the planet, it is so fine-tuned that if you changed any one
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But we're told that the Big Bang, again, it was 13.8 billion, I think, a year or two
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They then upped it because there was statistical mathematical problems with the idea of just
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Darwinian macroevolution, which is total random selection.
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Actually, if you just did the statistics, that would not be enough time for all random
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possibilities to actually present us to the present moment.
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And so we saw that based on their cosmology that the universe has now been upgraded.
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I think it was like 28 billion years is what they're arguing now.
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But the point is, the fine-tuning of life to exist on this planet is so precise that
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how could that possibly be totally random based on what we're told by secular cosmology?
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So going back to what you said, like, where, you know, so you're orthodox and like, if,
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like she said, if you're not religious, like, where would you go?
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And so, you know, this is like my best friend right here, Lindsay.
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And she is one of like the best people that I know.
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But again, day-to-day, how are you lining up with trying to strive to be like Jesus Christ?
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And that then calls into question like objective morality, objective ethics, these types of things.
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And I would never make a claim about you particular.
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But we can certainly make claims about behaviors.
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So Christianity, this is where I get like this feminized Christianity where you can't criticize behavior is ridiculous.
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Like that is not what Christ did in the gospel.
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They cherry-pick a quote here that says, oh, well, you know, he said just love everybody.
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The gospel is very clear on what things we should and shouldn't do.
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And so when somebody transgresses those behaviors, you can call them out.
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It doesn't mean you then claim what their salvation is or the state of their soul or the interiority of who they are as a person.
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But with what you've been given and the knowledge that you have, you will be judged.
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And St. Paul says the law has already been written on your heart.
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So deep down, this is where, you know, even if somebody never heard of Jesus, but, and maybe they live in a tribe down in the Amazon, but they participate in cannibalism and human sac.
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You have to be desensitized to those things for them to become normal.
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And so that's because God's already written morality on our heart.
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And that's why we try to preserve innocence in children and women because they're closer to that structure than they can feel when it's transgressed.
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But when you violate the purity and you get rid of the purity, how do you, you're so desensitized to things that you can't feel like when actually transgressions occur.
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And that's what's happening now is we have so many women who have been affected negatively physically from men and children as well.
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You expect them to be able to grow up and still abide by the same morals that did not protect them.
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I'm not in favor of defending any man that violates a woman or a child in a sexual manner.
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I think we should have, especially children, I'm not against capital punishment.
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I mean, those people need to be, like, that is a sickness.
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That is, and Christ says, like, those people deserve a millstone.
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I think that it's a sickness in regards to society.
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I'm not going to make a claim about you two as individual people.
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And so if you feel convicted about things, that's the Holy Spirit.
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And I do believe that the more you sin, the more the Holy Spirit leaves you.
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I mean, as an Orthodox Christian, we believe in these uncreated energies.
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So things like love, truth, logic, mercy, compassion, honor.
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If I am loving and compassionate and I'm led by logic and reason and I'm pursuing truth,
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And so the more we participate in sin, the more we dissipate those energies in us.
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Because without God's energies, how could you live?
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So if God's energy are totally abased and absent within you, you are filled with death.
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We got Desert Joe as a representative of the Phoenix metro area, along with Based Thor.
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She gives the women from the Valley of the Sun a bad rap disavowed.
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I think he's just mad about where I live and he doesn't, you know?
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Philosophically, it is focused on orthodoxy, correct thought, and not orthopraxy, correct action.
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And if you forgive everything, you stand for nothing.
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I mean, I would assume that what the super chat is trying to say is kind of this weak, feminized Christianity that I was speaking about.
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If it's all about sort of satisfying people's emotional states and, like, things they're doing and sort of reassuring everybody, yeah, that's totally a fake Christianity.
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But, again, as an orthodox Christian, Eastern Orthodox, I mean, the whole thing is orthopraxy because if you don't live the lifestyle, you're not filled with the energies of God, and that equals death.
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And so if you die and you're filled with sin and you're filled with all these things that actually take the energy away, well, of course you're going to die.
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Hell is eternal separation from God, but we're choosing it right now.
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God, it's not like there's a bouncer at the pearly gates that looks to see, is your name on the list?
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Is it easier to stop people who deal drugs or every single person who consumes drugs?
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It's probably related to the hamster wheel I was talking about.
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Thank you, Cap, for the big $100 message there via Streamlabs.
02:28:19.000
Women are gatekeepers to their body, so why are they not taking the high ground and quit OnlyFans and other lewd content?
02:28:25.560
Are they not strong, independent women who do not need men?
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I don't think we ever said that we don't need men.
02:28:39.860
Josh Brooks, could it be that because we know nothing from before we were born that we will know nothing after we perish?
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An acute dopamine dump into the brain could be this afterlife.
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Would it be, so there's certain advancements in technology.
02:29:06.560
I've heard of this thing called cryonics where essentially, because for example, the point of death, at least from a medical context, has kind of shifted over time.
02:29:17.480
For example, if somebody's stopped breathing, that doesn't actually necessarily mean, like perhaps historically, if they stopped breathing, doesn't necessarily mean that they have actually died, for example.
02:29:28.800
Like they could have, I don't know, some medical thing could have happened, and now we're able to keep people alive.
02:29:34.540
I think typically now it's when there's brain death is when I think the medical community considers it actual death.
02:29:44.320
With cryonics, essentially what they're doing is upon death, they freeze the person, they like inject them with some stuff, and then they freeze them and keep them in this sort of frozen state with the hopes that currently there's no such technology to revive people.
02:30:04.660
But perhaps in the future, there will be our view of what is death, perhaps could change through means of technology.
02:30:15.060
But I have a sense, perhaps under the Christian worldview, that this would be some sort of, I don't know, maybe it's a blasphemy or something, to essentially keep people iced on ice, and then one day when the technology would allow for it, to revive them.
02:30:35.640
So I would say it's a form of a, it's like an inverted form of resurrection.
02:30:40.600
And so what you're referring to, like Alcor Life Extension, that's the leading cryonics research place in the United States.
02:30:48.140
It's led by Max Moore, who's kind of one of the leading philosophers regarding transhumanism.
02:30:52.700
And so my academic work is critical of transhumanism.
02:30:57.280
And I view it as a satanic inversion of Christianity.
02:30:59.740
This idea that you will become God or you'll ignite with God through the machine, which is the AI, which is the sentient AI and the singularity that they're waiting for.
02:31:08.500
And so when you're talking about these cryonics, like Bill Gates has already purchased his cryonics.
02:31:12.420
And so really big billionaires and tech moguls are going to Alcor, and right before they die, as Brian said, they get put in extremely low temperatures to preserve their body.
02:31:23.120
And the hope is in the future we're going to have the ability to replace their biological parts with synthetic parts and bring them back to life.
02:31:31.580
I personally think it's philosophically flawed because I don't believe that you can exchange neurons with, you know, the hardware of an AI system and that you preserve the same person.
02:31:43.700
And it has to do with their philosophy on what actually the person is.
02:31:47.300
And they believe as long as the functions, it's called functionalism, it's a theory of mind, that if, for example, your computer, you can do two plus two equals four.
02:31:58.000
Functionalism said, well, then they're equal in their sense of capacity.
02:32:01.000
And so the way that they're defining sentient AI is as long as it can do the functions that a human can do, then it's equivalent in their worldview.
02:32:08.820
And I just don't believe, because I believe that we're made in the image of God, that even the possibility of the resurrection through cryonics that they proselytize, I view it as a form of Satanism.
02:32:19.360
That it's kind of locking people into this anticipation and this false worldview that they can actually be preserved and they can live forever.
02:32:26.480
This is the whole narrative of the singularity in transhumanism.
02:32:31.000
Just a curiosity there that kind of came to my mind from that previous chat.
02:32:37.000
Science has found that atoms make up everything in our reality and that it has a frequency or vibration inside of the atom.
02:32:44.780
But science has yet to discover what is inside of the atom, where he says continued, and he follows it up with many indigenous peoples in each tribe beat the sacred drum because it is supposed to represent the sound or heartbeat of creation.
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By the way, Pasty George is our resident Canadian First Nations individual.
02:33:07.660
And I think last show, or maybe it was the show before, they granted me an honorary tribal name.
02:33:29.340
Pasty George, if you do Champagne Pop, I'll eat the burrito on stream.
02:33:33.680
I don't know if somebody, did you, were you wanting to weigh in on the atom thing?
02:33:40.660
I mean, in regards to, yeah, I would totally agree.
02:33:43.740
As an Orthodox Christian, just Christian in general, Christ is the word.
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You know, in Greek, that's the logos, which has more of a context than just like the spoken word.
02:33:54.020
And so we do believe that God spoke the world into existence.
02:33:56.740
And that language actually has a supernatural power.
02:34:00.060
This is something that differentiates us from animals.
02:34:07.260
And so I would say this is an ability that we participate in God.
02:34:11.380
That co-creation demands the ability to use language.
02:34:14.560
And so when he's talking about something like cymatics, that's kind of what he's getting at.
02:34:18.960
Is that sound itself has sacred geometrical patterns and that the structure of reality actually tied with like an undergirding vibration.
02:34:27.360
You know, in Hinduism or the Vedic tradition, Buddhism, they talk about Aum.
02:34:32.240
And so this concords with a Christian worldview because Christ is the word.
02:34:44.140
Dr. David Patrick Harry, you already helped so many, me included.
02:34:47.880
I pray that the women hear the message and understand you actually venerate women.
02:34:52.640
Question, does your back hurt since you have been doing the heavy lifting this weekend?
02:35:07.860
Women have the power to stop OF and other lewd content, yet they blame men.
02:35:15.460
Why are they crying victim when they literally can stop at any time making OF and lewd content?
02:35:29.840
I actually, I'm going to get into this next show, but there was this girl who just flaked, and she was a victim.
02:35:43.540
She, I don't know if you guys recall in our pre-show notes that we send all of you, we say, you know, maybe avoid these colors.
02:36:01.080
And she took issue with the, I think the way it's worded is, if possible, don't wear glasses.
02:36:13.800
So if somebody doesn't wear contacts and they absolutely need the glasses, we're fine with letting people use it.
02:36:19.380
Anyways, I'm going to save that for next show, though, because, you know, we've got a lot to get through tonight.
02:36:23.380
But she blew up at me, and I told her, I was like, hey, it's cool for you to wear the glasses.
02:36:33.860
And then she was blasting me on social media, like, how dare.
02:36:37.460
And I told her multiple times, it's okay for you to wear glasses.
02:36:41.100
But she wanted to be, like, some big cause or something.
02:36:46.720
Like, I was, and by the way, and then I started talking shit.
02:36:59.240
And I was like, I bet my prescription is worse than yours.
02:37:10.280
So I'll post, I'll talk next show about that, though.
02:37:12.860
But, Hotshot, I really want to know if it is written that the price of sin is death.
02:37:17.560
How can you say that if we sin every day and we can go to heaven?
02:37:25.820
The point is to turn from it, ask for forgiveness.
02:37:29.500
Obviously, I'm Orthodox, so we have confession with the priest.
02:37:33.740
But that's, yeah, you can still get to heaven and be a sinner.
02:37:37.460
I mean, that almost denies the entire salvific purpose of Christ's incarnation.
02:37:45.840
Going to Lindsay in your pre-show notes, you said that you're a full-time content creator
02:37:49.520
and you're a P-star with two AVN nominations and over 200 scenes.
02:37:55.340
You said you have some interesting, surprising dating stories.
02:38:09.060
I can't even – I've taken a lot of virginities.
02:38:12.120
I don't know if it was about that or if it was – I don't know.
02:38:16.420
I mean, my ex of five years, we were each other's first for everything.
02:38:22.900
We were actually trying to wait until marriage and then he pushed.
02:38:25.840
And, you know, ever since then I was like, you know what?
02:38:39.940
You – we have a video that we're going to pull up from her.
02:38:53.800
While he's pulling that video up, I'm pretty sure it's one of the Instagram video.
02:39:02.640
You said that you're spiritual and slash divinely guided.
02:39:07.820
But, like, when you say divinely guided, is that, like, religious thing or –?
02:39:16.300
But I do not believe in Bible and I do not believe in most churches here.
02:39:23.260
Mostly when it starts, you know, including, like, membership requirements and stuff like that.
02:39:29.840
And then you said something about being – something about welcome to my asylum.
02:39:38.100
You're weird, but I don't think I'm a bad kind of weird.
02:39:41.080
And then you also wrote that you – I think this is on your Twitter – you're a pansexual and a pervert.
02:39:51.320
So when you say you're pansexual, you date women, you date men, you date transgenders.
02:40:24.060
But dwarf, I'm pretty sure 97% of them are chill with it.
02:40:36.940
I'm trying to – I've been trying to date a dwarf.
02:40:47.160
I want to be – I want to be Snow – yeah, exactly.
02:40:50.620
And someone else is going to take this idea now, but whatever.
02:40:59.260
And if there are seven dwarves out there that would like to do that, just please message me.
02:41:18.040
But so you date – have you dated a transgender person?
02:41:45.240
So when I have close friends, I'm known to not have a filter.
02:42:07.340
And your whole – your whole life, you heard – or maybe – can you see it?
02:42:14.460
Do you want me to read it, or do you want me to actually tell it, like us?
02:42:22.660
My whole life, I heard I thought you were in your teens when I was in my 20s, and I thought
02:42:30.380
My mom heard we thought you were younger her whole life, too.
02:42:35.260
Obviously, with makeup, I will look about my age or order.
02:42:40.340
But I love how millennials is the only generation that look younger than their age, especially
02:42:58.560
When it comes to the interior design, I'll be – on Halloween, I will dress like that.
02:43:06.300
So I am a strong believer that it is a bad karma.
02:43:15.780
I think that's referred to as being a white witch.
02:43:22.440
So I don't – basically, I don't – I wouldn't say I do a witchcraft.
02:43:27.320
I would kind of put intentions of, like, if I need to protect myself or protect my energy
02:43:35.600
But, like I said, anything past that is really doing – anything against anybody's will
02:43:49.180
I would take a little bit of umbrage with that, that ritualistic magic of any sort, incantational,
02:43:56.420
sigil magic, any of that stuff would be equated with Christian prayer.
02:44:05.500
Well, I don't – actually, I don't have a vision board.
02:44:11.440
And then it's like, universe just protect me, protect my energy to be healthy.
02:44:19.540
Well, not putting the intentions out there to kind of keeping her safe, you know?
02:44:23.940
Or, like, when I fly, like, the same way I just do because I hate flying.
02:44:31.520
I believe the word of God is the unknown frequency in the atom, and each atom in our reality vibrates at different frequencies, which give us earth, air, fire, water, sounds.
02:44:54.800
To the panel, including the two Chad gentlemen.
02:44:58.960
What is your most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge story that stuck with you?
02:45:04.660
Could be embarrassing to you or the other party.
02:45:29.240
Like, I went out with some, like, environmental chick, and she freaked out because I brought a ball of water to the date, and she totally torpedoed the date.
02:45:37.940
That was pretty embarrassing for her, of course.
02:45:56.780
So, she's baddie coming over, and I – kind of like where I was living at the time, there's a lot of bushes and shit, and my house is, like, green.
02:46:06.340
A lot of green around my house, and there's fucking spiderwebs and shit, lots of spiderwebs.
02:46:11.520
She walked through a spiderweb, got bit by the spider, and then she started feeling sick and shit, so she – and then, needless to say, it did not go down.
02:46:22.380
She went home because she was – she was, like, oh, shit.
02:46:27.700
She had arachnophobia, so it was, like, double trouble.
02:46:30.560
She got bit, spiderweb all in the – anybody walk through a spiderweb?
02:46:44.920
I was, like, let me put on a Spider-Man costume, and it still – no, I'm just kidding.
02:46:52.940
And then it just – and then afterwards, she was, like, you know what?
02:46:57.540
I really liked you, Brian, but I think it was fate.
02:47:03.040
It was a sign from the universe that I can't date you because I got bit by a spider.
02:47:24.000
You didn't even go on a date with her afterwards?
02:47:26.840
I mean, we had kicked it, like, two years back.
02:47:36.660
But we kind of separated, and then we were reconnecting, but then the spider cock-blocked me.
02:47:44.500
I thought you were, like, it's a no-go if, like, a girl was with another guy.
02:47:56.120
Like, we had seen each other initially, but it didn't work out, and then there was a period of time, but then we reconnected.
02:48:03.740
To my knowledge, at the time, she was not involved with any other people.
02:48:09.060
That's the whole thing about the body count thing.
02:48:12.540
Like, that's why it doesn't matter to me, because everyone lies about it.
02:48:15.500
Like, and I just don't care in general, but I feel like most people lie about their number.
02:48:27.500
I think, you know, maybe that should be a crime.
02:48:35.760
There's so many more things in this world to care about than who is having who with what.
02:48:40.760
I think it should be a felony one year maybe in prison.
02:48:48.040
Brian said it's a felony for you to lie about –
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If I was dictator of the country, I would make it a felony to lie about body count.
02:49:00.460
That's why I'm saying you think body count is so bad that someone deserves to be in jail.
02:49:16.560
I'd like to talk about my political ambitions and also what I would do if I was dictator.
02:49:23.140
So in addition to if you go to jail for lying about your body count, I also think we're going to ban plastic surgery unless, you know, look, there's some exceptions.
02:49:33.980
Some people do have, like, cleft lip or whatever.
02:49:36.640
And there's also – you know, there are some – there are some – look, if somebody's disfigured either genetically or –
02:49:46.960
If somebody – you know, there was an accident, a terrible train accident, and, you know, I think we can – you know, that plastic surgery that is kind of corrective, you know, but fake titties, got to go.
02:50:20.300
I'm too – I would like to have a BBL, but I can't because I'm too skinny.
02:50:30.040
I would love to have a BBL, but I literally can't.
02:50:34.520
I've never seen a BBL that looked like that if that is a BBL.
02:50:37.400
What is your hatred for, like, plastic surgery?
02:50:44.640
I'm very flattered that you think that every show.
02:50:53.020
A BBL – I mean, I would say your boobs are done before you had a BBL.
02:50:56.720
I've said that multiple times, but I don't have a BBL.
02:51:01.640
But, see, like, I've asked this question before, and girls will, like, do this word game where it's like, well, I don't exactly have that.
02:51:23.760
All right, so you have something where it's either hip – you got the hip augmentation shit.
02:51:32.160
But what's your problem with people improving their bodies, like –
02:51:37.660
What's your problem with not having a problem with it?
02:51:55.420
One, you've got these – you've got the entire cosmetics industry.
02:52:13.400
We all know that beauty is this very, very important thing.
02:52:16.980
Everybody wants to be beautiful, and especially in society in 2025,
02:52:21.700
everybody wants to be beautiful and good-looking and all this stuff.
02:52:29.220
Everybody wants the perfect body, the perfect face, all that shit.
02:52:32.840
And I'm telling you, I'm telling you, they're preying on women and men's insecurity.
02:52:40.640
You guys are – but you guys are going to defend it because you are in a prison for your mind.
02:52:48.820
Any girl who goes and gets it done, every guy will be like, no, you don't need to do that.
02:52:54.480
And then they go get it done, and the guys are way more into them every single time.
02:53:04.060
Every time a girl gets enhancements, it's that way.
02:53:06.320
I would rather live in a society where people – I think, look, you shouldn't just be –
02:53:11.540
you should take good care of yourself and take good care of your health,
02:53:15.260
and you can work on your appearance within the metrics and paradigms
02:53:19.920
that don't involve cutting your body open and painting your face with a pound of makeup and –
02:53:30.600
What about your – sir, you had a beard and no beard.
02:53:33.680
No, you – I think the beard gives you at least two points, at least.
02:53:37.300
And I don't think you're an unattractive man without the beard.
02:53:44.740
But he – I feel like this makeup thing is very crazy.
02:53:48.220
Like, because I'm not afraid to not have makeup on, right?
02:53:54.780
Every day I get going from the mirror, and the hour I spend on it is –
02:53:58.140
the hour I spend on it is the best time of my day.
02:54:04.600
I'm 23 years old, and I'm going to take it out when I'm married.
02:54:12.460
Well, what is the male equivalent to makeup and plastic surgery?
02:54:16.640
You think you're wearing facial hair is the same?
02:54:19.020
I think you having a beard is absolutely like –
02:54:29.740
That you guys are just hopelessly dependent on your paint?
02:54:34.860
That you guys at no other point in human history have women been undergoing expensive, dangerous, and unnecessary surgical procedures.
02:54:44.340
Every time you go under anesthesia, there's a risk of something, especially like –
02:54:48.440
Look, I don't know if there's any BBLs at the table.
02:54:50.580
BBL is like a notoriously dangerous procedure, and these women are, for the sake of vanity, for the pursuit of beauty, a lot of them, it's not good for your body.
02:55:02.260
Anytime you go under anesthesia, it's not good.
02:55:06.200
There's women who die from these things, or they face various complications.
02:55:13.180
I know most people probably have, like, breast implants, and there's minor or no complications.
02:55:18.920
But there's enough where I'm like, that's crazy.
02:55:22.220
And then you get – you grow fucking – don't you grow mold on that shit?
02:55:42.700
When it comes to makeup, I feel like makeup has made a huge shift.
02:55:45.760
Like, girls are actually going more natural, if anything.
02:55:47.920
I feel like there's more natural brands out now.
02:55:49.740
Like, it's like barely anything, like the liquid blush and the liquid whatever.
02:55:56.180
And, you know, I'm going to make an environmental argument.
02:56:01.560
There's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of these massive transport ships coming from fucking China and India and all these fucking countries.
02:56:12.160
And they're crossing the Pacific or whatever fucking route they take.
02:56:23.820
You know what bunker fuel – bunker fuel, terrible.
02:56:38.340
They're all just full of your Sephora bullshit.
02:56:44.260
They're just – you know those big, giant shipping containers?
02:56:54.820
We used to transport fucking tea and shit and spices.
02:56:59.740
Now they're fucking transporting fucking fake lashes and hair extensions from fucking China.
02:57:17.700
They're mining the ingredients in your makeup, son.
02:57:38.040
It's ruining the bunker fuel, the oceans, everything.
02:57:43.080
You're killing dolphins every time you put on some blush.
02:57:47.820
Every time you put on a little mascara, a little baby kid in China is like, oh, the
02:58:07.260
Do you date women that don't wear fake nails or eyelashes or anything?
02:58:21.660
I feel like it goes back again to, like, why are the women wearing makeup?
02:58:25.820
Because society has presented to you from before you could even understand anything.
02:58:31.680
From when you were little – fucking infants and children, they've been presenting to you
02:58:35.940
a Disney-fied image on every single piece of media that you've consumed before you can
02:58:53.380
That's why the women had those corsets that were, like –
02:58:57.040
Because I hear women don't wear makeup for men.
02:59:02.500
But I'm saying, I mean, it all started, you know, first we had the corsets squeezing
02:59:12.920
If it was an all-female society, we would not be in competition with each other.
02:59:27.160
But when you go online and you see the girls who end up going bare face on TikTok or show
02:59:31.160
their acne or whatever, you'll see the comments, oh, put makeup on – it's always for the
02:59:37.240
Because – okay, look, I'll explain it like this.
02:59:42.100
If these sports leagues or whatever sporting you're into, if they allow steroids, all of
02:59:48.860
the athletes now have a new metric by which they have to be at.
02:59:52.740
So if you have all the athletes in a given field, if they're taking steroids, all the
02:59:59.820
If magically all women stopped doing plastic surgery, stopped wearing makeup, it would
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So you're putting makeup as like this thing that's like controlling all the – like
03:00:12.820
Like for me, I don't – most of the time I don't wear makeup.
03:00:19.060
Um, if you go out, if you go out, do you feel less comfortable if you're not wearing
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So if I'm like going to the grocery store, I don't care what I look like.
03:00:30.940
If I'm going in a place where a lot of my friends, peers, like I am – this is – it's
03:00:37.160
I'm very glittery and sparkly and my makeup is always crazy.
03:00:43.500
Like whenever you pull out the little makeup wipes, like if you – I wouldn't care.
03:00:50.720
But I think your judgment on makeup is this broad judgment about the – what am I doing?
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Just because my makeup, it is a bigger thing, right?
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Like how makeup is this thing that it's like covering these insecurities.
03:01:19.720
But it also is parallel to the thing – it's something that someone enjoys.
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Yeah, I recognize that women will put on makeup for the – I suppose – I mean I wouldn't understand it personally.
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But I can – I'll take their word for it that they enjoy perhaps the creative process of doing it.
03:01:43.900
I go out makeup a lot because I'm comfortable without.
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But it took like two rounds of Accutane to get where I am.
03:01:49.520
However, like again, we wouldn't make as much money if we go bare face, right?
03:01:54.900
Because the men are not attracted to the women who are all natural.
03:02:00.200
I hate to wear my makeup, but I definitely feel comfortable in makeup.
03:02:04.900
Look, I don't dispute that makeup makes women – can make them more attractive.
03:02:12.600
But I mean as far as what – okay, so from the dating lens, what I have against it – I have an issue with it more like on a societal level.
03:02:20.560
But on an individualistic level, there's a dating component to it.
03:02:25.740
So the dating component is you're misrepresenting how you actually look.
03:02:30.680
So you are augmenting your physical appearance.
03:02:38.080
I understand that in a way, but I feel like if you're – like if we're on a date and I send you only photos of that and they don't know exactly what I look like, then that's one thing.
03:02:47.240
But I mean if they see me in both ways, like why is that a problem that when I have makeup on, obviously I'm going to look different.
03:02:53.620
I don't have a freaking wing eyeliner and sparkles on my eye.
03:02:56.400
I do this to look different, but I'm also okay with the way I look without it.
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And I feel like you should be okay with us being okay with having it on.
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Like I don't know why it has to be an argument.
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Like makeup doesn't have to be an argument because it just doesn't, I feel.
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Look at him like calculating in his way and he's like, ah, no, absolutely not.
03:03:12.740
There's so many things in the world to like be upset about.
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And like a girl wearing makeup, it's like if we're faking it, he never saw what she looked like without makeup.
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If she goes to sleep with makeup, she wakes up and does it before she's like, that's crazy.
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But if she's just wearing it to dinner and going on a date and that's okay.
03:03:28.420
And talking about the bunker fuel and literally all the burgers.
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Wait, can you move, move your microphone over this way a little bit?
03:03:34.840
But yeah, I mean, look, the thing is though, again, from the dating perspective,
03:03:38.900
I think it manipulates at this instinctual subconscious level.
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So even if the guy knows that she's wearing makeup, it still is going to have the intended effect of him assessing her as more attractive than she actually or otherwise is.
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And even if we know you're wearing makeup and if we're experts on makeup and we know that you're wearing foundation and blush and mascara and eyeliner and whatever it is,
03:04:10.880
And the other component is, is that let's say it's our first time seeing you and we don't know what you look like without makeup.
03:04:18.120
Even if we acknowledge you're wearing makeup and we know that you might not look like that, we don't necessarily know, especially if you're wearing like a little eye line.
03:04:29.280
Well, even just eyeliner and mascara can do a lot of heavy lifting for a woman.
03:04:34.300
But if we're talking foundation where you're putting it, the whole face essentially is, is in makeup.
03:04:45.660
So she could be one point down or she could be four points down.
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And I still don't know, understand your argument.
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You're saying four points, but he does know if she's four points or five points.
03:04:57.020
Like she's, if he's dating her, like, like, I don't really understand what you're trying to argue.
03:05:03.580
Well, well, I mean, if he's dating her and then she's, but let me ask you this.
03:05:09.760
Um, what if men lied about their career and then they baited a woman into a relationship and now she's invested.
03:05:18.840
And then now three months after she's already fucked him and she's invested in the relationship, there is a rev, he reveals BTW.
03:05:28.920
I work at McDonald's, but now you, you're already, we're already here.
03:05:35.060
Well, I'm going to forget what I'm going to say, but yeah.
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Um, that actually affects people's relationships, whereas makeup doesn't affect the relationship at all.
03:05:46.120
So the man lies about the job, says he's an attorney and then he works at McDonald's.
03:05:57.000
We just need to make enough that we can be living in California and all that stuff.
03:06:00.540
I'm not, I don't need to date someone who makes 500,000 a year.
03:06:02.640
But the makeup thing, you meet me the first day, by the week you should know what I look
03:06:09.860
So why are we even, you shouldn't be dating someone that isn't going to like show you their
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Like you should, they should send you a photo or something in the beginning.
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Like why are you going to keep talking to someone if they haven't shown, like that's
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kind of weird to not send a photo how you look.
03:06:25.140
But also aren't we dating because we'll like the personality.
03:06:28.520
So if you're looking for somebody just because they are attractive or not, you don't really
03:06:37.280
I tell my friends, I'm like, I don't care if you're a lip, missing an arm, if you're
03:06:43.940
As long as I don't want to take care of you because I take care of my mom and that's
03:06:46.780
just not my son rude, but I've done that my entire life, be a caregiver.
03:06:49.500
So that's the only thing I won't be a caregiver for my partner, but I don't care what you physically
03:06:54.660
I mean, as a fat person, I don't think I should judge other people, but also like why is it
03:06:59.360
I care about what's in here, how they treat me, how they treat others.
03:07:04.060
So let's do, let's do a hypothetical where a woman has her face totally reconstructed.
03:07:08.620
So maybe she was upset because she had a nose that was really big.
03:07:12.340
It comes from a different culture where that's very common.
03:07:14.640
She gets her lips, her cheekbones, her nose done.
03:07:17.160
And man is not aware that her face is totally reconstructed.
03:07:20.100
They have a child and the child takes on all the, all the, the woman's genetic characteristics
03:07:32.940
I think it's a Chinese couple because the lady had the whole like surgery, everything is
03:07:37.440
And when they had kids, he kind of like, I think divorce her and stuff.
03:07:41.440
I feel like they, she should disclose that just as like her story of dating.
03:07:45.920
Like when you're dating someone, you're in this real relationship, you're going to
03:07:48.400
have kids with someone and they should know everything about you.
03:07:49.960
I don't think that should be a secret, but also to say, once I have a child and the child
03:07:54.360
looks, has a weird nose and this, you should love their child no matter what it looks like.
03:07:57.460
And I'm saying, but I'm saying like, even then it shouldn't even be a problem.
03:08:03.220
Like I think deception in that way is not okay either.
03:08:05.240
When I'm dating someone and cause I do present myself like this every day, they instantly
03:08:09.240
know what I look like without makeup because I think that's what you should do.
03:08:12.080
I'm not, I'm not looking like this all the time, you know?
03:08:17.720
Further on into a relationship, there will be some degree of disclosure as to what you
03:08:22.320
actually look like, whether that's you saying, Hey, I've had these surgical procedures
03:08:28.640
But from the initial get go, like for example, my experience when I was on dating apps,
03:08:33.440
I'm not anymore is very often it would be the case that a woman would not post a singular
03:08:42.000
Now there are some women who they'll put like one, like makeup list photo on, but the
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majority of the time, and if you look at most women's Instagrams, almost universally, there's
03:08:51.380
not a bunch, they're not posting a bunch of like no makeup photos on there.
03:08:55.360
They're wearing full face of makeup and most are all of their photos.
03:08:59.300
The deception happens very early and initially.
03:09:02.160
So for example, if you're at a club or, you know, whatever the context is that you're
03:09:08.040
meeting, uh, yeah, you guys are wearing full faces of makeup and, but even on the dating
03:09:12.620
app or whatever the context that you're meeting, I do think there is a degree of deception
03:09:16.620
when it comes to makeup usage and, uh, cosmetics and plastic surgery.
03:09:21.340
I think a majority of women wouldn't want to wear makeup anymore, but just like you were
03:09:25.160
saying, Oh, well, it takes women to not do plastic surgery, but also takes men to say,
03:09:29.460
Hey, we're going to accept you without makeup and without plastic surgery.
03:09:38.640
When men, when men are in the world, when men are, look, wearing makeup and getting these
03:09:46.260
I'm not going to deny that it doesn't confer you benefits in terms of attracting men.
03:09:53.920
You are going to be appraised as more attractive when you're wearing makeup.
03:09:59.020
Me personally, like I prefer women without makeup, but like I can get bamboozled too.
03:10:05.700
The point I'm trying to make here is, is that actually I already lost my thought train of
03:10:12.140
So in that kind of, I guess, aspect of deceiving somebody or something, at what point do you
03:10:22.040
Because I guess not cosmetic, like Lee makeup wise or changing my body, but I will say like,
03:10:29.520
I don't go like posting or publicly emphasizing that I have stretch marks or loose skin from
03:10:36.740
So is that something that like, as a woman that has had a baby that I should publicize
03:10:50.520
And of course, looking at someone that, you know, has an amazing body that I might not ever
03:10:56.840
fully have, like being scared to just upfront and say that to a guy because how a guy will
03:11:06.400
perceive that and look at it because of how like society has framed how women should look.
03:11:11.960
So like, is that something that I should like upfront be very public about?
03:11:17.200
I don't think you would have to like post photos of that.
03:11:23.520
I mean, it's, I would also say, you know, you, you said you're, I mean, I didn't, I don't
03:11:30.640
know if we really got a clear answer on if you're like 100% committed to waiting until
03:11:35.960
I'd say in your case, there's probably other factors at play here.
03:11:41.320
I think men are going to, if you tell men that you've had a child, they're probably going
03:11:45.620
to make some assumptions that like you might have some like loose skin around your belly
03:11:51.900
If men know about, you know, what happens when women have pregnancy and give birth or whatever.
03:12:00.000
But I mean, I'm, my, my conversation is specifically about makeup and plastic surgery.
03:12:08.080
I think my position is fairly, you can make some arguments when it comes to makeup.
03:12:13.200
My argument is far stronger though, as it relates to plastic surgery.
03:12:23.920
I had a really weird thing happen to me yesterday.
03:12:28.480
I like never go out by myself because I'm just scared of people like coming up to me.
03:12:34.800
But yesterday I had to go to the mall to like get white lingerie for this like white lingerie
03:12:56.740
So I was like just walking around and I saw this like white dude.
03:13:04.220
And like every time I would look at him, he would just be like staring at me.
03:13:07.380
And I was like, maybe like he knows me like from the internet possibly.
03:13:17.540
Just speak, look, look, look, just speak straight.
03:13:23.640
Um, so I was like in Macy's looking at white lingerie and he finally, he finally comes up
03:13:47.580
And I'm like, um, I was like a little scared and I like looked down and he was like touching
03:14:06.180
I, I was really scared and I started like, um, just like running away after that.
03:14:12.180
But that was like, honestly, the weirdest encounter I ever had.
03:14:18.280
You should have fucking karate kicked that motherfucker.
03:14:23.660
Like when he came up to me, I'm like, oh, he's like chill or whatever.
03:14:35.180
I feel that makeup is different from plastic surgery is that like makeup is not permanent.
03:14:41.020
Makeup comes off and plastic surgery is permanent.
03:14:43.440
So like if someone has an ugly nose and they make like, they do plastic surgery and now they
03:14:48.980
have a good nose, like beautiful nose, then it's not deceptive, you know, like this is
03:14:53.380
something that will stick with them for life, you know, like they're not misrepresenting
03:15:01.180
Why are people attracted to like, what is the basis of attraction?
03:15:08.280
What is like the evolutionary reason for men finding women attractive and women finding
03:15:21.260
It's like, okay, well, what about one of the reasons that we find that we're, I mean,
03:15:27.860
there's a bunch of reasons, but one of the reasons we want to be with somebody who is
03:15:31.860
attractive is because that will confer benefits to our future children because the reality
03:15:42.300
So if your children are attractive, they're going to have an easier time in life.
03:15:46.800
They're going to perhaps do better from a career perspective.
03:15:49.880
They're going to have an easier time finding a partner.
03:15:51.960
We all want to set our children up for the best life possible.
03:15:56.140
And if we can mate and match with somebody who's attractive, that's going to confer privilege
03:16:04.320
She was like a pretty well-known model and she was working with elite management and like
03:16:10.460
she wanted to have a baby and she like seeked out like genetics of like another male model
03:16:24.320
Well, I was, I was a child model in New York and stuff, but I, I don't know.
03:16:33.860
So that was done through in, in vitro fertilization?
03:16:39.000
My mom talks about how she wouldn't have had a child with him if she didn't think he
03:16:45.060
had good genetics because she really cares about looks a lot.
03:16:55.380
So she seeked out a man just for the purpose of having a baby that she, and they actually
03:17:02.260
So it wasn't, the way you explained it, it sounded like it was like in vitro, like
03:17:09.760
Maybe, maybe I'm not fully like making, getting through to you guys.
03:17:13.300
How would you feel if you went on a date with a guy and he had a toupee?
03:17:31.440
I don't need a picture of your unit because if it's going to be some small thing.
03:17:40.320
So these guys are going on dates and you think you're going to get a six to eight incher
03:17:44.640
and you get a two, I think we're, just like you want to reject a woman who's had any like
03:17:53.480
I also, I require a lady in picture before I go.
03:18:00.660
Like they're like, oh, I'm going to do this, this, that, and the other.
03:18:07.920
I actually think as a guide, giving you guys some game, giving you guys some game to her
03:18:18.080
Your ex-girlfriend or whatever would be really scared right now.
03:18:23.680
You can't, as a guy, you can't be like lie about your penis size.
03:18:32.200
You got to say it's smaller than it actually is.
03:18:34.540
And then when you come in, you come in, you're setting expectations, managing expectations.
03:18:39.740
It's kind of like you got to tell a girl you're bad in bed.
03:18:42.840
Then when you do a decent, like, okay job, when you're like average, maybe above average,
03:19:04.220
I was, I fell in love with someone before I found out how big or small we're talking
03:19:10.440
And I was in love with this man and I stayed with him for three years because I, because
03:19:18.720
And I, and I'm also very about the heart and like, if you treat me, he was like movies
03:19:22.680
boyfriend, like opened every door for me, bought me anything I ever wanted, like treated
03:19:29.780
So he, he lied to me before, like didn't tell me we were like talking, talking.
03:19:37.780
And I was like, sir, we're going to like have to break this barrier before I realize like
03:19:43.020
And it was like two months and I already loved him.
03:19:46.860
And I was like, okay, in a man's head, small, like four or something.
03:19:59.880
And it's, and that's the thing you can say, it doesn't matter.
03:20:02.660
If you can't have sex with someone and it's that small, then it matters.
03:20:09.560
Also, because I was the first fat guy I ever dated and I will never, even though I'm fat.
03:20:19.660
But I was going to, I was going to ask, so he was fat.
03:20:23.400
So what if, what if he actually, because you were both.
03:21:03.940
It wasn't the size of his penis that was the problem, but it just wasn't able to reach.
03:21:17.420
Because sometimes I've been with, not a fat girl, but she's got, she's got thick legs.
03:21:26.740
I've been with, like I date, you know, fit girls.
03:21:42.380
But I'm like, sometimes there's some positions.
03:21:52.680
And that's like, there's just some positions that are off.
03:21:57.720
There's a couple positions off limits with a big girl.
03:22:06.660
So that was like, no, we're talking even if I was.
03:22:12.380
Like there's some things that are just not workable.
03:22:18.340
And I'm like, just because you're fat doesn't mean you can't.
03:22:20.660
Like a lot of people think fat people don't have sex.
03:22:37.180
And I, there's a position you can't do, but he couldn't do any of them.
03:23:01.440
That's giving like Samantha from Sex to the City.
03:26:35.880
Obviously she wouldn't be on the cover of Vogue.
03:27:14.500
I would say between six and eight depending like on the day.
03:27:57.160
Since we can't choose seven, I'll just, I'll boost my ego and I'll say I'm an eight.
03:28:12.580
So if we're talking about realistic, cause I'm a very realistic person.
03:28:16.080
I know that when I go outside and everyone's going to think I'm attractive and that's okay.
03:28:20.680
But when you're talking about rating yourself, I feel like every individual should feel that
03:28:27.600
I don't, if we're talking, if like I had to come to realistics, right.
03:28:30.560
And you're like, do you think you could be on the cover of Vogue?
03:28:34.420
But, and also if we're, if I'm having to rate myself, if someone's like has a gun to
03:28:37.780
my head and they're like, rate yourself, give me a number.
03:28:39.540
I could give myself a number, but as myself, I rate myself a 10 cause I know who I am and
03:28:44.520
I know what I'm about and that's why I give myself, but I'm also realistic.
03:28:53.940
I think with the beard, you're like a seven, eight without the beard.
03:29:00.540
I just rate yourself because you rate everyone else.
03:29:04.080
Well, I think, I think you're a 10 though in my eyes.
03:29:08.480
No, because you are very like, you will tell girls that they're, you know what I mean?
03:29:12.620
So I'm giving you the same energy back, but in my eyes, you're a 10.
03:29:16.000
I feel like Brian probably wears the beard because like my ex-husband, if he shaved his
03:29:23.180
It like, that's why the beard, I feel like when I see girls taking their makeup off, I've seen
03:29:27.260
more dramatic beard shavings than makeup taking off of things.
03:29:32.820
No, literally a man taking off his beard is like gained, that's what I'm saying.
03:29:36.360
When do you think you should tell a girl that you can, like a picture of you before the beard?
03:29:40.000
I have, I have like most of my Instagram is me without a beard.
03:29:42.780
Well, not you, I'm saying in general, like, well, I guess you and in general, like, do
03:29:45.320
you think a man should have to, if they have a beard, they should, they should do the same
03:29:48.500
I don't think beard is a fair comparison to makeup or prostate surgery.
03:29:52.180
Why is it like when it is a very big difference, when you have no beard on and when you have
03:29:56.940
a beard on, you look very different and that's okay.
03:30:05.560
Beards are cool at all, but like, you don't have a beard.
03:30:08.120
It's not a one to, it's not a similar comparison.
03:30:13.200
I understand it's natural, but the way it changes your, we're talking about changing appearances,
03:30:17.040
Maybe a fourth of the face, but the beard, one, it's natural.
03:30:21.100
So it's not something that's artificial, right?
03:30:24.940
So that, I mean, that's one of the big differences that I would say.
03:30:28.520
Why do you want women to rate themselves one through 10?
03:30:38.120
Because I go around the circle and this woman comes to herself a five and that makes me want
03:30:46.200
And then a woman thinking themselves as a five is so sad to me because I think you only
03:30:50.420
get one life and you should yourself feel like you're the hottest girl in the world.
03:30:54.400
Now, you don't think you're better than anyone, right?
03:30:55.880
You can think you're hotter than everyone, but also not think you're better.
03:31:00.600
You can still think like you're pretty and not be condescending and not be realistic.
03:31:09.640
But I also think like I can be realistic and not care what others think about my appearance.
03:31:15.640
Like I don't need to feel pretty to be worthy or enjoy life.
03:31:19.680
And the way you feel about yourself and the potential of who you can be, it can be separate
03:31:24.140
from how you compare to the general population.
03:31:27.640
And I think the point of the segment, the reason why people like it is because it gets
03:31:31.380
back to the attention economy and how social media has altered the way in which women perceive
03:31:35.760
themselves based on the amount of attention they can get.
03:31:41.100
I can't post selfies of myself and garner an audience.
03:31:50.740
But even bodybuilders, it's like men, anybody who works out, no, it's men that congratulate
03:31:55.480
you or appreciate your fitness more than women do.
03:31:58.140
So it's like the whole idea you get fit for women, rarely ever does a woman come up and
03:32:03.600
say, wow, you have great shoulders or whatever it may be.
03:32:24.880
Again, I'm not going to go based on what somebody labels themselves as.
03:32:27.840
I'm going to go based on what their behaviors are.
03:32:39.180
But anyways, my point in regards to the segment is because women typically historically, like
03:32:49.320
let's say the average five male and the average five female, they would get together and have
03:32:54.860
But because of the way social media has altered the perception, the self-perception of women
03:32:59.300
is the average five is like really waiting for the seven, the eight, the nine.
03:33:04.420
And this is why then it's interesting for people to watch the show and see how women rate
03:33:08.380
themselves, to see like where, how realistic are they in regards to like the actual full
03:33:15.240
So you think, when you say a five and it's not like you don't think that a hot person
03:33:22.480
My point is though, that's why the average man is having such a difficult time of finding
03:33:30.980
Because the average woman probably has had one night stands, promiscuous encounters with
03:33:35.680
men that are more attractive than the man that she could actually form a long-term relationship
03:33:41.360
When you say actually form, actually, like you mean like, why can't they form someone
03:33:48.300
Like people who are into big women, they're the tens of the tens.
03:33:52.100
Like I've seen a lot of people who come, who are plus size that come on this podcast and
03:33:56.640
It is like people that look like you, you're a very attractive man, hit on me all the time.
03:34:02.460
And does that mean I'm taking away from the average man of like, because I'm fat, I have
03:34:08.900
And maybe, again, the category where these men find you as a, you know, a fat queen,
03:34:15.440
Well, that's kind of the way you phrased it earlier.
03:34:22.740
So that, again, that's kind of the exception to the rule.
03:34:25.500
But generally speaking, this is why it's so difficult in the dating market.
03:34:30.400
But for average people to find average people, and women have, because you guys have access
03:34:35.740
to sex and you have that leverage, and then men are so lustful and simpy and can't control
03:34:41.020
themselves, I mean, you guys are able to have experiences with people that the average man
03:34:46.300
is not having, he's not having one night stands with the female eight and thinking, you know
03:34:50.460
what, maybe I'm a five, but one day I could actually, you know, settle down with an eight.
03:34:55.040
Men are forced to deal with reality, and women are able to live in the world that men construct
03:35:01.140
See, even being in that manner of, like, I'm going to end up with an eight, like, I don't
03:35:04.600
Like, I don't think, like, this is who, you know what I mean?
03:35:06.920
Like, I just date who I date, and if they're a four or whatever, like, even, like, the
03:35:10.520
fact that we're talking about a number scale on someone's looks, I just hate that in
03:35:18.360
There's a bigger issue of how, like, you know, looks is such a big thing in the world, and
03:35:21.820
it's just crazy that it runs, but it will always be like that.
03:35:24.000
Yeah, it's just a superficial way to kind of view how people perceive themselves in
03:35:30.600
And, like, you know, couples finding other people.
03:35:34.060
So, yeah, I mean, no matter what number you are, that shouldn't diminish your human
03:35:39.240
And I don't think anybody watching this thinks that's the case.
03:35:42.380
What the people watching this are interested in is, like, what do the chicks think about
03:35:46.400
themselves, because they probably have some type of rating, and they want to see if it
03:35:50.340
concords with reality, or, again, they live in a fantasy world where everybody's a 10,
03:35:54.640
and everybody, and that's fine if you have that personal belief in yourself.
03:36:00.480
But the reality of it all is that we all are on a spectrum of appearance and attractiveness.
03:36:08.260
And even the 10, it's not like all people are attracted to what would be the prototype 10.
03:36:14.400
But typically, statistically, probability, on average, people date and marry the people
03:36:22.620
And the problem is, for young men, is they can't get the woman that's on their level
03:36:26.560
because they're constantly focused upwards on this dating spectrum because of the attention
03:36:34.260
In the adult industry, I've noticed that, like, BBW is a very consistent niche.
03:36:39.520
Like, I've noticed that when I gained a little bit of weight, like, I got more scenes.
03:36:47.320
Not saying I, like, got to the BBW level, but I fluctuate weight.
03:36:54.000
And couldn't that be because the average man is wanting to fantasize about somebody that
03:36:59.060
they think is actually, like, potentially realistic for them?
03:37:04.580
But I also think that it's, like, a, like, I don't know.
03:37:13.480
I don't think you guys understand, like, how big a fetish it is.
03:37:17.700
There's two, like, because obviously I understand of everyone.
03:37:21.680
There's people who fetishize us, and it's, like, literally only about our actual fats.
03:37:31.080
But there's also people who are just into women and a person, and they're into me as
03:37:38.220
But I feel like a lot of people say that there's not lots of men out there for bigger women.
03:37:43.740
So many people, like, big women, your brothers, your cousins, your dad, your uncle, everyone.
03:37:51.360
And that's okay if you're not, like, in high school.
03:37:53.200
Like, I didn't get a lot of guys talking to me in high school because they were embarrassed,
03:37:59.260
I was very popular in high school, but I didn't.
03:38:02.320
When I got out of high school, the gates flooded open.
03:38:06.140
Because they felt, like, not insecure to, like, hold my hand out in public.
03:38:09.980
Like, their friends picking on them and stuff like that.
03:38:12.540
When they grow up and they realize that they have their own decisions and they can make
03:38:15.720
their own choices and they realize that they actually have always liked bigger women, and
03:38:21.860
Like, you look like you're very physical and you like to go on hikes and stuff.
03:38:25.200
I understand that someone might not want to be with me because I physically can't.
03:38:30.120
I can go and go to, you know, Universal and walk the park all day, and that's fine.
03:38:34.700
But I'm also not going on bike rides and doing all these things.
03:38:37.840
And I understand my lifestyle might not match their lifestyle, and that's completely okay.
03:38:43.620
But, and also, you might not be attracted to me, and that's okay, too.
03:38:46.080
But to be, like, acting like this is not a reality of, like, people.
03:38:55.200
More than I feel like skim, because I feel like they want, they think I want it more because
03:39:05.700
I don't think it's a fetish, because if you think about it historically, women didn't
03:39:10.680
Like, women used to be, like, much better than we see nowadays.
03:39:28.240
Yeah, certain historical periods, but, I mean, you look at, like, you're talking about
03:39:38.820
They had some curves, but they were not, like, anywhere approaching obese.
03:39:45.180
You know, like, in the Russian culture, like, we're from Russia, we can, you know, it was
03:39:48.720
considered to be beautiful for a woman to be fat.
03:40:02.720
But I'm saying, like, we're still wired the same way.
03:40:05.020
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
03:40:16.020
When you're talking, what you're talking, hold on, hold on, stop, stop, stop.
03:40:21.600
You're talking about a specific social phenomenon in, like, feudal Europe where there was mass
03:40:28.240
amounts of poverty and most of the peasantry was, like, hungry and starving.
03:40:34.160
And so a woman who was obese perhaps was an indicator that she came from a wealthy family.
03:40:40.620
And that is the basis of, like, it was a social construct and a determination of, like, okay,
03:40:47.420
well, she's well-fed, so that's the basis perhaps for the attraction.
03:40:53.900
But there's not a wiring for men to be attracted to fat women.
03:40:59.500
Well, the thing is that, like, the basis for attraction is reproduction, right?
03:41:03.940
So, like, if a woman is very, very skinny, she's not so...
03:41:08.180
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you two, to successfully have a child, you need to have some curves.
03:41:21.180
I think it's, like, the woman bearing hips thing.
03:41:25.280
Traditionally, if you have wider hips, it can be easier to give birth.
03:41:34.980
But the point, generally speaking, in regards to, like, the statuary you're referring to,
03:41:40.560
And, yeah, they may have some body fat on them,
03:41:46.580
So, when we're talking about, like, obese people,
03:41:50.720
and this had to do with kings presenting themselves...
03:42:15.760
Like, you see all these paintings, and you're like, well, this woman needs to...
03:42:19.140
Yeah, the Mona Lisa, she wasn't super skinny, but she also wasn't obese or fat.
03:42:23.760
Right, but, like, by modern standards, like, that's not, you know...
03:42:29.260
Also, I mean, I don't know if, like, depictions in ancient art or, like, statues is necessarily...
03:42:43.440
I don't know if we can draw anything necessarily from that.
03:42:55.020
I kind of said to piss these people off, but I also feel like...
03:42:58.340
Like I said, I'm realistic, but I think of myself as a 10.
03:43:17.200
No, but would you feel like, from a physical perspective...
03:43:30.660
But I don't think you're less attractive than me because I rated myself a 10.
03:43:38.940
Because, like, I feel like we shouldn't even be...
03:43:40.220
This shouldn't even be a topic or, like, a discussion, but...
03:43:43.260
Well, women rate men all the time on a variety of measurements and factors.
03:43:52.640
You said that you would not date another fat man.
03:43:56.200
And that's a determination based on a measurement of his weight...
03:44:17.160
But I'm saying you make determinations in terms of who you will date or what you...
03:44:31.540
My brain is wired differently than a lot of people.
03:44:33.940
Okay, but you make assessments based on who you're going to partner with based off of measurements.
03:44:43.300
I would rather the same height and, like, maybe two inches is the most I would do because...
03:45:06.060
If she has a big labia, I might give her a test.
03:45:18.680
I mean, these rules over here have penis-sized preferences.
03:45:23.640
You don't think it's okay to have a penis preference?
03:45:25.260
Because in my scenario, I didn't have sex for three and a half years because I was in love
03:45:32.860
If you can't have sex with someone because their penis is too small, that's okay to have
03:45:55.220
What is a labia doing that's getting in the way of the fornicating?
03:46:23.820
Like, I also don't think it's okay to judge someone off of any...
03:46:34.360
Oh, I feel like the comparison is like an ugly penis or a non-usable penis.
03:46:38.760
Like, we're talking about size or the way it looks.
03:46:41.220
Like, a big labia is like an ugly penis in your comparison.
03:46:49.860
Not all small penises are micro-penises where it's like practically impossible to have intercourse.
03:46:56.040
Like, for me, I can't have intercourse with certain sizes, so that's not a choice.
03:47:02.320
But I wouldn't not date someone because they had an ugly looking one.
03:47:04.820
Like, if it works and it's usable, I don't care what it looks like.
03:47:08.220
Like, I feel like that's more judgy than like saying it's about the size.
03:47:13.360
The size of it is like you physically can't do stuff.
03:47:20.720
So, do you object to my preference or I'm just confused?
03:47:24.400
No, I think you're allowed to feel how you want and not...
03:47:28.720
Yeah, but I mean, look, women make all kinds of assessments when it comes to men and if they're
03:47:34.520
going to be attracted to them based on various literal measurements, penis size, height,
03:47:46.840
If they are balding, women typically prefer men with a full head of hair.
03:47:53.080
But women have an issue when men make judgments, you know, we'll rate women based on the scale,
03:48:01.780
but like women will literally say, I won't date a guy, not all women, but we'll say, I
03:48:07.280
That's literally a judgment call based off of a measurement, off of a guy's height.
03:48:10.800
But that's the same thing of saying, I want to date someone who's fat.
03:48:15.720
Because not my size, because this is a different category.
03:48:19.300
If you're really skinny, like if you gain like...
03:48:21.360
If you're in a relationship with someone who's too small and they gain 50 pounds, are
03:48:31.160
You're allowed to do that, but I feel like unless they're physically like changing, like
03:48:35.520
how I said, at this size, I can't match you if you want to be hiking and doing
03:48:38.620
all these things and that's a lifestyle thing, but your partner gains 50 pounds and you're
03:48:45.180
It depends on the reasons of why they gain 50 pounds.
03:48:46.640
See, what would actually be wrong with it though?
03:48:55.940
I think maybe 100 pounds, 200 pounds, that's crazy.
03:49:00.060
But 50 pounds is like very easily lost, I feel like.
03:49:02.520
I mean, honestly, I know people have differences on this.
03:49:08.220
I don't think it would actually be wrong for a guy to break up with a woman, even if she
03:49:16.340
You'd have to make a compelling argument for why it would be wrong to do that.
03:49:22.480
Because women break up with men for a bunch of totally benign, arbitrary reasons all the
03:49:30.620
Like this is the thing where I'm saying like everyone is allowed to feel how they feel.
03:49:33.380
Like I can't tell you in my life, I would not do that.
03:49:36.580
I would not break up with someone if they gained 10 pounds, whatever.
03:49:38.920
I don't think I would break up with a girl if she gained 10 pounds either.
03:49:57.020
There could be a lot of reasons that could contribute to a factor of why maybe the relationship
03:50:04.240
So within your hypothetical, there's a lot of other factors that could easily contribute
03:50:23.800
I was just saying there's a lot of other factors that could easily contribute to a rational
03:50:28.420
reason why the relationship may end over 50 pounds.
03:50:32.560
Because that is a dramatic increase in somebody's, especially if you're already dating them and you
03:50:38.840
Um, so there's a lot of other factors that could contribute.
03:50:43.120
A couple things to kind of wrap up on the like rating one to 10 thing.
03:50:52.540
I was just going to ask you, are you on steroids?
03:50:59.400
DPH is 190 pounds of muscle steel and sex appeal.
03:51:28.140
It's, it's a check for humility, a check for humbleness.
03:51:40.060
And I think that women, they assess female attractiveness very generously and they assess
03:51:50.580
One of the ways that this manifests though, and there's a clear difference between men and
03:51:55.060
women on this, is that women have short-term sexual access to men who are outside of their
03:52:03.960
So, for example, as a woman, if you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's just outside
03:52:11.240
of your league, I don't know, maybe you guys reject leagues, right?
03:52:14.580
But you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's outside of your league, he'll
03:52:27.380
You might get a situationship, which could last weeks or months.
03:52:33.120
Very, very unlikely to ever result in like legitimate long-term commitment.
03:52:38.640
But you can get that level of access to men who otherwise would never commit to you.
03:52:44.600
As a man, if I step to a girl who is clearly outside of my league and I'm not being like
03:52:50.760
weird, I'm just, maybe I'm just pleasant and I'm, hey, I'm sexually available for you.
03:52:57.480
I don't get sexual access and no men ever, rarely, will get sexual access in a limited
03:53:04.280
capacity in the same way that women get sexual access in a limited capacity to men who are
03:53:15.260
So, uh, this is why women end up in situationships and dealing with fuckboys and all this sort
03:53:25.840
And if we can get somebody who's like, hey, we'd be lucky to get them, we, we want to go
03:53:32.720
The difference is, is men tend to have a more realistic, uh, approach to this.
03:53:37.680
It's like, I don't think that I could sleep with women outside of my league.
03:53:44.240
Uh, and I don't think this is a confidence thing.
03:53:54.600
If I step to a girl who's more attractive than me, I don't get a conversation.
03:54:03.600
I don't get strung along for, you know, a couple of weeks, whatever.
03:54:08.600
Women, if you make yourself sexually available to men who are more attractive than you, you'll
03:54:13.780
get something, but you won't get what you really want, which is commitment.
03:54:18.400
And so what ends up happening is imagine if this was the case, let's say there was
03:54:22.920
from average men, average dudes from the age of 20 to 30.
03:54:29.220
Let's say that they could consistently have sex with supermodels or just women who say
03:54:37.120
a guy of five, he can get, he can regularly sleep with women who are eight nines and tens.
03:54:41.580
Why would he ever, like, would he ever want to, look, there are some guys who are relationship
03:54:48.060
minded, but you take like the average fucking gooner.
03:54:51.720
Why would he ever get into a relationship when he has a steady flow of sex with women who are
03:55:01.120
more attractive than the women that he can get into relationship with?
03:55:04.640
The reality is that doesn't happen for any men, but it happens all the time for women
03:55:12.760
And then what ends up happening, you start as women playing this comparison game.
03:55:16.600
And some of these guys who they'll keep you around for sex, and they might even not be
03:55:22.500
upfront about their intentions because they want to keep you for sex.
03:55:25.720
So they might dangle the potential of a relationship, and they might not ever tell you something
03:55:31.880
like, by the way, on the basis of your looks alone, I will never be in a relationship with
03:55:39.860
And, you know, maybe if you have a pleasant personality, I don't, you're not terrible to
03:55:43.240
spend some time with, but you'll never, I never want to be monogamous with you, or I
03:55:48.280
never want to marry you, or I never want to have kids with you on the sole basis of your
03:55:59.960
And so you could either, you could either be viewing that and think, okay, well, this
03:56:06.580
I'm able to get this quality of guy for short-term sex.
03:56:10.560
I, I deserve that for a long-term relationship.
03:56:16.240
I deserve that for a long-term relationship, but you keep, yeah, it doesn't work with this
03:56:28.320
And then all of a sudden you're so used to a certain attractiveness of men, and this could
03:56:33.260
be looks, it could be status, it could be other factors, but I'm just looking at it from
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And then you look at the guy who's actually in your league, who's your looks equivalent,
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and you think, whoa, you're just not attracted to him.
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You don't want to be in a relationship with him.
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I'm going to get into a relationship with this dutiful boyfriend who's like, I'm not
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There's going to be a dead bedroom in the relationship.
03:57:10.600
And I just think, look, y'all, y'all on the cock carousel, on the cock carousel, cock
03:57:18.360
carousel, and you're dealing with dudes who you can get sex from them.
03:57:23.100
It's like, have you ever, have you ever, did you go to college?
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I went for a little bit, but I, did you live in the dorm room?
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So it's like, imagine living in a dorm room with four other people and you got bunk beds,
03:57:38.040
And then, and then you have an experience of living in a mansion.
03:57:43.820
It's really hard to go from living in a mansion and having your own room and your own bathroom
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to going back to having three roommates, not housemates, three roommates in that same way.
03:57:56.100
Once women deal with a certain caliber of guy, it's hard to go back to the normal dude.
03:58:02.420
Who's actually, that's the dude you should have been dealing with.
03:58:07.260
Brian, you may actually try to change your perspective because you talking about, you
03:58:12.620
know, women going for the harder guys, but if I think a lot of people, men and women will
03:58:18.460
be looking for personalities for the character.
03:58:20.760
So like if I, when I was single, would go out on a date, I never rated a man, oh, he's
03:58:28.840
I think if we're going to looking at perspective of how good is the person and the person's
03:58:40.340
I never had that one night stands because that's not my cup of tea at all.
03:58:49.640
I do not believe, like I don't judge the hookup culture because I don't judge anybody who can
03:58:56.640
But I am a serious, I always will look, seek out a serious relationship.
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So I'm not interested in anybody who's going to say, I'm on a casual.
03:59:11.580
Of a guy that you have slept with, they've all lasted like three years.
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You're, you're telling me you've never slept with a guy and it only lasted a couple of weeks,
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So my ex-boyfriend, we were good friends for years.
03:59:27.800
And then we got into the relationship when, you know, I was single, we were hanging out
03:59:33.760
So we had the relationship, but as a relationship, you know, like a girlfriend and boyfriend,
03:59:39.360
But I had never was in a relationship that was like a hookup or just like casual or something
03:59:45.640
If you, let's just say, if I, when I was in Bumble and I saw the guy looking for casual,
03:59:53.020
Another thing, like when you say about, like, actually, I do not like extremely hot, handsome
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guys because more than likely, just like you said, they're going to hurt you.
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So I always avoid those kinds of men because it's like, I know what I'm looking for.
04:00:12.800
I would like to be in love with a man and I would like to build something if we can live
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together, be together, get through those, you know, if there's any confrontations, frictions,
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because people can have a little friction at the beginning to, you know, get used to
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But I would never go for a really hot guy because just like you said, you're gonna
04:00:36.200
Well, I think you're, I think this is a bit dubious, but.
04:00:50.060
I would never be like, oh, this guy is like a five.
04:00:53.420
I would be like, let me see what is his morals.
04:01:04.680
The moment I'm going to be seeing a personality and how nice you are and sweet and loving and
04:01:18.520
So you said you, you were divorced and you've been in a relationship for two years.
04:02:08.840
Guys who like, when guys think that they're hot.
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Like, you can't think that you're hot, but that's just, I don't know.
04:02:17.960
But I think that also goes to like making sure that you're, you're taking care of your
04:02:23.480
mental health to be able to recognize those things and find what are the characteristics
04:02:29.420
and priorities in a relationship that you want.
04:02:32.140
Because if you are just going for looks, it's more than likely because you, you haven't,
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If you, all you're seeking out is looks and, you know, just getting in the back of those
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hot men in hopes you're going to build a family, it's kind of like you can't change
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somebody unless a person is willing to change, but they have to change.
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You can't be changing them or them growing with you.
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So, like I said, the guys I think need to, there's a lot of great guys out there that's,
04:03:08.760
But the moment you show that you're loving and caring, I agree that men becomes a tent
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for you because it's like, I'm in love with this man.
04:03:19.620
And I think if you're going in a date with that, oh, this person, two, three, four, you're
04:03:24.900
already setting yourself up for a failure because you're judging somebody based on their looks
04:03:31.040
Have you never had like a bro or like a guy friend that you're like, you're like, why
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You know, like, cause she, he's, she's like not that attractive and he'll always say, yeah,
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I'm not, I'm not saying personality doesn't matter, but there's massive amounts of cope
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My needs, you know, I mean, I think physical attraction is almost universally always going
04:04:00.860
Meaning I have to, I have to like you to be, and that's, I mean, I know maybe it sounds
04:04:15.820
So if I feel like you're a safe place that you're caring, that you're there, like I,
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you know, I'm not going to, I don't want to leave the hot dude.
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In the morning, you know, like I'm not interested in that.
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I want that relationship, that warmth, that depth.
04:04:37.260
I, I'm not disputing that there are women, some there, that there are women who care less
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However, the reality is, is that we all want to get the best that we can get.
04:04:50.720
I think personally, generally speaking, physical attraction is a massive part of dating.
04:04:57.740
And if you disagree, you're, you've thus far not made a very compelling case for this
04:05:09.700
The reason why I'm talking about this, she asks, why does it matter?
04:05:14.720
If there are a subset of women who are moving through the dating marketplace and they don't
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have an accurate self-assessment of where they stand and they think they're more attractive
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Look, if you're a 10 and you think you deserve a 10, you're going to be chasing a guy who is
04:05:35.440
But you can be a 10 and be, let's just say, if I thought I was a 10, my goal is still going
04:05:41.760
to be meeting that guy who is sweetheart and who is willing to, you know, build a family
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or be together, be serious in the relationship, have two dogs, whatever the goal together is.
04:05:54.400
So it's like, even if I'm a 10, I will never go and reach out, try to get somebody who's
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I want some, my, for me, the personality always going to hit the first spot.
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You can be, you can be Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt.
04:06:12.520
But you keep guys talking about these long-term, like, relationships and things that you want
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and you keep mentioning personality, but in regards to, like, I'm curious how many of
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But again, from my perspective, coming at it from a religious angle, it's like having a
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And I'm watching all the secular dating and it just seems like it's doomed to fail because
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it's going to be constantly a one-upping each other and trying to find something that pleasures
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And unless there's a submission to, like, a higher purpose.
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And that's why, you know, as a Christian, it's not hard to make the argument that we
04:06:50.360
should only have, like, heterosexual marriage because marriage is for family production.
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And so if you guys want to, not you guys in particular, but in general society, just want
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to have relationships with people in a secular circumstance, I mean, what actually are the,
04:07:07.060
what's the foundation for a long-term relationship with its secular standards?
04:07:11.200
It's really just make sure you get along with the person, make sure they satisfy me, and
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then that can go on and have fun together for, you know, a limited period.
04:07:22.120
And so, like, if you, those of you girls that want to get married, like, what is the foundation
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Because I just don't see without a religious context and something deeper and more meaningful
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that unites you, I just don't see how it can last.
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No, no, no, no, I was, I didn't mean to cut you off.
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I have some videos, actually, that I think would be good for this.
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So, Nick, there is, do I, do I send the, yeah, you know what, let's do the TikTok page.
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There's a TikTok page of a girl named Stella or something.
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And then it's going to be the one where she's, like, outside.
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You're going to have to, like, pause it and then just full screen it.
04:08:37.700
We've pulled it up before, but I think it's interesting to bring it back up.
04:08:48.600
And then start it from the beginning and then just go ahead and play it.
04:08:52.820
So as we're all very much aware, we are living through a chopped man epidemic.
04:09:00.600
It's gone so bad to the point that, like, if I see an attractive man, it genuinely makes my day.
04:09:06.600
I was walking on the sidewalk earlier, and I saw a cute guy in his car.
04:09:23.780
And I feel like this is going to empower me through my evening.
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Like, wow, I actually saw an attractive man today.
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Like, diamond in the rough, needle in the haystack.
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And, I mean, there is this phenomenon that I've seen on TikTok where you have these women who make videos saying, whoa, I just don't see any attractive guys.
04:09:58.560
I do think that this is a phenomenon that is not just some troll that women are doing.
04:10:04.800
I do think that there are women who just aren't attracted to a lot of men.
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In her case, though, let's assume she's telling the truth.
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Do you guys think that she's an attractive woman?
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I think it's just because our standards get higher, like, as we grow up.
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Like, when I was younger, I thought it was way easier to find an attractive guy.
04:10:46.180
And I think it's just because my standards are higher.
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And I think it's also what we've been exposed to.
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Like, the more we see, the more we listen to, the more we talk.
04:10:55.120
Is anybody here willing to say that that woman is below average looking?
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That's why the whole rating thing I don't like in general.
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Raise your hand if you think she's below average looking.
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Raise your hand if you think she's average looking.
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Raise your hand if you think she's above average looking.
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Wait, I think some people didn't, did anybody, somebody didn't raise their, you guys gotta raise
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I'd say, well, no, there's no average or average at best.
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But as Christians, aren't all humans supposed to be beautiful, so now you're judging her?
04:11:47.660
Yeah, but there can still be differences in physical appearance.
04:11:55.240
Unless you're dating the person, why does it matter?
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Like, to even talk, I'm saying, in my opinion, like, I don't like to talk about other people's
04:12:05.100
She literally, she says she never sees any attractive men.
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I think it's kind of fair when a woman comes out and says there's a bunch of ugly men.
04:12:22.100
I'm saying me personally, but I said, yeah, what she did was not right either.
04:12:24.720
It's like, I would never walk up to a woman and tell her she's ugly, but if she's like,
04:12:30.660
look at all these ugly men, and she's ugly, I might say that she's ugly.
04:12:36.680
But we have another tweet pull up because I want to give you guys perspective.
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I mean, if you take that it is serious, then, of course, their priorities are wrong.
04:13:18.120
If she was a dude, that's her looks equivalent.
04:13:22.880
And she's saying, and she's, that's her looks equivalent, bruv.
04:13:35.460
That's literally, that's literally her looks equivalent.
04:13:38.240
And she would definitely say that that dude's chopped.
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And that chick is never giving that dude a chance.
04:13:46.480
Even though that's literally her male looks equivalent.
04:14:22.640
She could probably fuck a new guy every single day of the week.
04:14:50.100
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
04:15:17.920
So surprisingly, but, um, so I'm on my weight loss journey.
04:15:23.640
May I ask though, if you don't lose any weight, do you think you'll be better looking?
04:15:27.760
Um, so you say that you stay the same, the exact same weight.
04:15:30.860
Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 33?
04:15:33.920
I don't think, I don't know either the same or different.
04:15:38.800
I feel like some people are more attractive and some people are not as attractive.
04:15:53.460
You're 29 better looking in 10 years time at 39.
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But also I don't even know if I'll be here in 10 years.
04:16:11.640
Is that like a diss towards me or you were saying what?
04:16:16.440
No, I'm saying when I, when I was 19, like I was on, I did two rounds of Accutane.
04:16:26.720
I've always had the bosom, but there was a glow up for sure.
04:16:39.760
My mom looks identical to me and she looked really good about age.
04:16:47.380
You're 27, better looking in 10 years time at 37?
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And then were you better looking at 18 or now at 27?
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You're 36, better looking in 10 years time at 46?
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Probably not, but I would like to mature grace, gracefully.
04:17:05.100
And were you better looking at 26 or better looking now at 36?
04:17:19.780
You're 31, better looking in 10 years time at 41?
04:17:24.380
Are you better looking now or are you better looking at 21?
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And when I had blonde hair, we looked like twins.
04:18:11.180
And she looks like she is like 39 or 40 years old.
04:18:16.260
My mom looks better now than she did when she was like 30.
04:18:30.360
Before we get into the reacts, we are going to...
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Look, I get the most beautiful women on my panels all the time.
04:18:40.500
You're saying it in a way like I'm saying I'm true a 10.
04:18:45.140
I'm saying as myself, rating myself, I think I'm a 10.
04:19:00.060
That's the problem I have is like even having to like have to think of yourself like that.
04:19:05.100
Like give us a male celebrity or something that you think is in your league.
04:19:27.840
Like I am realistic but I also don't want to say it out of my mouth.
04:19:34.660
I can't not say that because that's just not true.
04:19:39.060
Like the girl on the screen, if I had a gun to my head I can tell the truth about certain
04:19:43.220
things but I'm not going to say that because I just don't like saying that about
04:19:47.840
Like that's why the whole number thing is not about I think I'm a 10.
04:19:51.360
It's more like I just don't like the rating scale in general.
04:19:54.480
We're going to do a few chats then we're going to do the...
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We put all of you through an AI to age you and then we did a little something extra.
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A lot of men believe that women who use any makeup, fake nails, get body modification surgeries,
04:20:16.620
et cetera, indicates high insecurity, narcissism, deception, and predatory tendencies, so much
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Guys, if you want to get your own message in, $100 read, $200 TTS.
04:20:50.900
On behalf of Arizona, especially Phoenix area, along with Desert Joe, we don't claim chair
04:20:57.000
As a representative of Phoenix, Arizona women, you can find her at the Blade.
04:21:10.620
I thought the Blade was like in Vegas, like where you're like going up to truckers selling
04:21:18.960
What if it's usually just like a street wear hookers hang out?
04:21:27.620
Are you doing that because you think I can't read?
04:21:34.580
No offense, but it's hard to take women that have tattoos seriously.
04:21:38.100
And if they display more red flags, more red flags than their believability, thank you,
04:22:08.800
Do you think it's wrong for a guy who doesn't want to date a girl who has tattoos?
04:22:27.660
Like I said at the last podcast, that lady who said we have a chopped man epidemic, she
04:22:39.200
He's allowed to refer to people as indigenous crackheads.
04:22:45.580
Oh, by the way, guys, I got a big announcement.
04:22:48.580
Guys, we got a special person back on the team, boys.
04:22:54.020
I think we got to do a little for the audience.
04:23:02.920
You want to get to Nick, you got to go through me.
04:23:09.320
Not like you got to date me for, I'm just saying, I'm the gatekeeper.
04:23:25.280
Um, yeah, you know, look, school, school can't, he was, he had to get school going.
04:23:37.520
We're keeping Mary, Mary's sticking on the team though.
04:23:57.320
When you go to the barber, when you go to the barber, Nick, what do you, um, ask for?
04:24:01.120
I told her to give me a clean cut and she did this two days ago.
04:24:11.660
We should, we should have Maddie just come through, join a panel like reunion.
04:24:44.900
I'd say like the second one is like, that could be 30s.
04:24:51.180
Wait, could not, that's like, that's like 39 right there.
04:25:02.840
I'm going to have long blonde hair and giant fake titties.
04:25:25.140
When I'm that, I won't make it that old if I'm not that skinny by then.
04:25:40.400
You know, we need, I think we need a pop a ball of champagne.
04:25:43.200
We need to get Nick a little liquored up back there.
04:25:45.740
I think we need a little, if anybody in the chat, we had a big celebration.
04:27:36.920
That was definitely not the question, but okay.
04:27:59.860
I'm saying they were very generous to you in like the older photos.
04:28:09.160
The middle one looks like my grandma and she's in her late 70s.
04:28:28.860
The oldest one kind of looks like the old sugar nutty I had.
04:29:02.380
Hey, what the fuck they do in my neck, though, at the very end?
04:29:15.960
Wait, was that first picture from like 20 years ago?
04:29:18.120
That's an old, that's like, that's like 2018, 2017, maybe.
04:29:53.300
Sorry, you made me look like a witch, so I had to try back.
04:31:00.620
Yo, who in the Discord is going to hook it up with the gender swaps?
04:31:44.680
Apparently, you were dating a guy who was on Big Brother, the show or something.
04:32:02.760
I thought you were asking if it's a Canadian show.
04:32:26.480
Yeah, within a couple of weeks, I kind of got like the ick.
04:32:29.140
And then my family was like, oh, maybe you're just scared of commitment.
04:32:31.820
So I kind of like forced myself to stay with him.
04:32:34.020
Pretty sure they just wanted me to be like with like a celebrity.
04:32:36.620
And then, yeah, I forced myself to be with him, brought him to my best friend's wedding.
04:32:41.620
He got super drunk, started screaming at me, saying that I was lying about the restraining order.
04:32:47.120
And then when we got on the plane, he screamed at me in front of like everyone on the plane,
04:32:51.840
saying that if he posted a picture on Instagram, he'd get way more followers than me.
04:33:01.420
Yeah, so everyone follow me so that I get more followers than I am.
04:33:03.580
How is it that you girls all have these tragedy stories with men?
04:33:07.660
It could be that your selection is a little off.
04:33:12.860
But if all these women have stories of these selections, that means there's a lot of guys
04:33:19.340
I think it goes to show what you'll put up with.
04:33:24.960
I mean, I feel like you'll date someone for three and a half years with a small dick, you
04:33:27.940
I mean, for the longest time, I thought that I didn't deserve a good guy.
04:33:32.240
So I let myself get treated because I told myself that that's what I deserved.
04:33:38.940
But I just, I hadn't ever expected him to have a good guy.
04:33:44.420
I feel like guys also start off so small and kind of like work up to that level.
04:33:48.720
And then by the time it gets like extreme, you're kind of just like, oh, it is what it
04:33:54.720
In the last relationship I was in, he was the best, best, best.
04:33:58.020
And then once we were in the relationship, he turned crazy.
04:34:01.580
Like once they get the person, they like flip the script.
04:34:04.500
And he was the most jealous, insecure, always thought I was cheating on him.
04:34:15.940
I feel like he's an ex because, I mean, that's why.
04:34:19.060
If you're a narcissist, like that's one of the check marks, you know.
04:34:22.840
But I feel like it's, you start dating someone and then they turn into that person that you,
04:34:32.300
I was going to say, I think there needs to be a call for these fathers.
04:34:37.160
I mean, there's some really good fathers and I have friends who have really great dads and
04:34:40.940
But I feel like when there's not a good, stable father in the home who is setting a good example
04:34:47.220
for his son or setting a good example for the daughter, like then how is she supposed
04:34:53.160
to carry on forward having a healthy relationship?
04:34:56.220
Or the son, he's going to think it's okay to, you know, leave or be verbally abusive or physically
04:35:06.700
But, you know, we as a society need to heal and realize everybody is human.
04:35:13.080
But if you're placed in a parental role or a role where you're supposed to set an example,
04:35:18.680
like of course everything you do is going to affect your kin and the people around you.
04:35:23.600
And so these girls choosing bad guys, like it's going to happen.
04:35:27.020
There's a 60% chance it's going to happen once you've witnessed that in your own childhood
04:35:33.660
Yeah, I think broken families are a huge problem.
04:35:35.820
I mean, the divorce rate now is at 50% in the United States.
04:35:39.780
And yeah, if you come from a broken home, you have a terrible example of how a relationship
04:35:45.340
Again, in my argument, this would be a return back to like, what is the purpose of marriage,
04:35:52.300
But yeah, I mean, the broken family epidemic and divorce rate is terrible.
04:35:57.620
And then when you really start getting into some of the S-A-ing of children, I mean, it's
04:36:02.540
step parents that tend to do it most frequently.
04:36:06.440
And there's a lot of statistics on that regarding men coming into households and then the woman
04:36:13.420
that they married already has a daughter and stuff like that happening.
04:36:17.140
So a traditional nuclear family, again, a lot of that stuff just wouldn't be as prevalent
04:36:23.780
But also with, you know, religious families, they teach the women a lot like, oh, well,
04:36:27.880
you should give him a second chance and forgive him.
04:36:30.520
But now you're also showing your child, okay, he hit me and I'm going to take him back anyways.
04:36:38.780
I think it depends on each circumstance and context.
04:36:41.660
So you do think that, like, domestic violence would be okay if it's going to keep the family
04:36:47.640
I mean, that's an extreme take on what I just said.
04:36:51.320
I'm saying that every instance of domestic violence doesn't mean that it should be divorce
04:36:55.660
or that the wife or the man shouldn't forgive the partner.
04:37:00.660
That's a context-by-context situation that I think, again, details are going to really matter
04:37:05.840
there, but just a blanket, like, if there is domestic abuse, that that should equate, it
04:37:11.700
could be just one single instance, that that should equate to divorce.
04:37:15.060
I mean, both people need to be held accountable, right?
04:37:20.160
What would she need to be held accountable for?
04:37:27.640
So not just one in which the man physically abuses a woman, but obviously it goes the other
04:37:36.880
But, I mean, women are verbally abusive, and they're-
04:37:42.900
Again, men have a monopoly on physical violence, so obviously men are going to act out that way.
04:37:47.420
But women have other ways in which they can jab and get at their partner.
04:37:57.960
There's other ways in which women also do things that are very conniving.
04:38:04.940
That's my point is that responsibility needs to go to all parts, and so nobody's making
04:38:10.540
But within the church, let's say he's a two-time offender in the family, but they're married,
04:38:15.160
and the church is telling her, oh, you should forgive him.
04:38:18.180
Do you think that she's supposed to take him back?
04:38:19.780
Again, I would- That would be a case-by-case, depending on how exactly that works within
04:38:28.320
Oh, I have a story to tell about domestic violence.
04:38:31.400
So, I was pregnant, I think, with my third child, and went to Florida for vacation.
04:38:36.520
And my oldest child jumped on me, like he was playing, and it really hurt me, and I was
04:38:43.580
freaked out that something would happen to the baby.
04:38:45.840
So, my husband was like, you know what, I'll bring you to the hospital, you know, we'll
04:38:50.420
And then we get to the hospital, and the doctor just looks at me in this really weird way,
04:38:54.920
and he's like, are you sure this is what happened?
04:38:59.960
I'm like, yeah, this is literally what happened.
04:39:02.500
And then the doctor told me, yeah, it's so common for me to see pregnant women who come
04:39:08.000
with injuries because their husbands beat them.
04:39:11.780
It's actually the number one reason for death in pregnant women is homicide by their partner.
04:39:19.460
Unaliving of pregnant women is actually homicide by their partner.
04:39:23.780
Oh, I thought you meant the death of the child.
04:39:26.520
In which case, I was going to say that's probably abortion.
04:39:30.220
Because I just find it a bit of a reach that there'd be so much, like, homicide for somebody
04:39:35.900
who's already married and their wife being pregnant.
04:39:38.080
I could see it in circumstances in which they're not pregnant, or it's an unexpected pregnancy,
04:39:45.040
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but it just seems like it'd be way less common with
04:39:53.180
Generally speaking, we're just talking about statistics, generally speaking.
04:40:00.420
Because I've heard you a couple times throughout the night, you seem to, like, always want
04:40:04.500
to go towards, like, men are criminals, men are predators, men are, like, bad.
04:40:08.920
I'm not saying all men, but I'm saying I don't think that men hold other men accountable
04:40:14.380
for what they're doing that gives them a bad image.
04:40:19.080
Men absolutely hold other men accountable through the police force, through the justice system.
04:40:23.200
There are 15,000 women killed in femicide last year alone in South America.
04:40:33.860
150,000 women murdered in which South American country?
04:40:51.360
You're up to date on the South American femicide stats?
04:40:57.140
I spent a lot of time, like, researching because I'd rather do that than doom scroll on TikTok.
04:41:05.000
So 150,000 women have been unalived in South America.
04:41:18.500
But you presented this in response to me saying men do hold other men accountable.
04:41:29.220
You don't have women murdering men just because they're men.
04:41:30.900
Men can just murder women in Argentina and they just get away with it.
04:41:38.740
You guys do realize that murders are the most heavily investigated criminal acts possible?
04:41:46.300
South America has a lot of unstable countries like Brazil, you know, like they have...
04:41:52.940
Why do you think everyone's coming up here from Mexico?
04:42:03.120
I would need to look at that research in that paper.
04:42:05.280
I mean, I'm not saying there's not violence and certainly violence across cultures changes
04:42:10.000
and some cultures are more violent, could be towards women than others.
04:42:35.320
These women are getting, like, wholesale murdered, and you want...
04:42:40.640
And the majority of these illegal immigrants, typically, they tend to skew male.
04:42:46.160
And you want to allow them into the United States?
04:42:50.180
I feel like this is going in a completely different way.
04:42:54.560
If you let me clarify without interrupting, I can definitely tell you my...
04:42:57.820
Well, okay, so are you okay with illegal immigration?
04:43:02.100
I think that just like other immigrants who've come here from other countries, and they've
04:43:06.960
applied for citizenship, and they want a better life here in America...
04:43:12.840
When we have families who are coming over illegally because they don't have any other option,
04:43:17.500
and they're seeking refuge, we actually have, you know, programs in place for that.
04:43:23.360
There's also the one that's, was it Violence Against Women Act, which keeps you here
04:43:27.480
if, for two years while you're doing your application for citizenship, if you're experiencing domestic
04:43:38.720
I think, no, because I think our system needs to change completely, and it's not a yes or
04:43:48.440
I think the criminals should be deported, absolutely.
04:43:50.780
Well, they're criminals by crossing illegally, correct?
04:43:54.200
If you're here in the country illegally, you are committing a crime.
04:44:02.420
But you are making a point about immigration saying that all these women killing immigrants
04:44:11.400
You're saying there's, like, vast amounts of femicide in Latin America, in South America.
04:44:20.260
And you're saying, well, these men are just brutalizing and murdering all these women in
04:44:27.780
The South Americans are a large bulk of the illegal immigrants coming into this country,
04:44:32.680
in addition to, like, you know, you have, like, Central Americans, too, and then you have,
04:44:37.840
So I would assume, given this, like, exorbitant rate of femicide and murder of women in these
04:44:45.660
Latin American countries, you're, I think you're pointing to perhaps a culture where
04:44:51.880
You surely, then, to be consistent, would not want this cohort of people illegally entering
04:44:57.720
the country where they can victimize women in this country.
04:45:01.760
I think just like every other country, America should have its own borders and enforce it, and
04:45:07.000
I don't think that anyone is doing the right steps to actually solve the issue that's really
04:45:12.900
I lived in Tucson, and my grandma lives an hour from the border.
04:45:17.680
You guys are actually a little sheltered over here from all that.
04:45:19.840
California has, like, a massive illegal immigration problem.
04:45:22.820
Yeah, but you don't see the cartel stuff that we see.
04:45:31.620
I think, I think if, I think that Trump, like, when he was first saying all the violent
04:45:37.280
ones and all the ones that have a record, I think that should be your priority.
04:45:42.240
But should we deport all the illegal immigrants?
04:45:45.620
By the time he gets done with deporting all the criminal ones, he's going to be out of
04:45:50.480
So you're okay, then, with all the other illegals being here, is what you're saying?
04:45:53.760
I'm not saying that, but I think they do need to register and actually work towards getting
04:45:57.720
citizenship, and if they're the ones who want to refuse that.
04:45:59.220
Well, why don't we then just deport all of them and then allow them to apply the legal
04:46:03.000
And then we can vet everybody and look at their backgrounds and see where they're coming
04:46:07.180
Because they know that the Mexican government is not going to support them or, like, even
04:46:17.500
Yeah, so that's not beneficial to me as a heritage American and taxpayer.
04:46:25.140
My thing is, you're trying to get me to focus on something that I'm not even concerned with.
04:46:28.760
I know, but he's making a logically consistent argument by saying, you just described a problem
04:46:33.640
in South America, and he's saying, okay, well, here's a culturally relevant topic to America.
04:46:38.280
But that was one event when I'm trying to give you examples, because your original question
04:46:43.000
But hold on, you're saying I shifted it, which I could dispute, but you shifted it because
04:46:47.860
I was saying men hold men accountable, and you want to move to, like, okay, this specific
04:46:52.540
thing in South America where perhaps law enforcement is not nearly as effective as it is in the United
04:47:00.440
States, where we enjoy, where law enforcement has far more resources and is far more sophisticated
04:47:10.940
It was one example that I was going to give you in concurrence with other ones, like the
04:47:15.940
fact that the child trafficking industry is a multi-billion dollar industry.
04:47:21.720
I mean, triple-digit billion dollar industry every year around the world, and people like
04:47:25.820
Tim Tebow speak on that, and it's men who are the consumers.
04:47:34.160
The people that are selling humans for sex trafficking and the consumers of sex trafficking?
04:47:40.720
Because it gets back to the corn industry in regards to not holding people performing.
04:47:44.840
It's the government who's bribed to have those kids coming over from Mexico that make them disappear.
04:47:49.720
The CIA is totally in bed with all these operations, drug trafficking, sex trafficking.
04:47:58.400
All the media is owned by BlackRock, and they just tell you whatever they want you to actually hear.
04:48:10.480
But it is a lot of men who are doing these things, and I don't see...
04:48:19.720
You can get married to someone of the same sex.
04:48:23.040
I'm saying you can do all these things, but why are we still facing femicide in the world?
04:48:27.360
Why are we still facing all of these issues that shouldn't be prevalent anymore?
04:48:32.320
Women are half of the world population, and yet we're the ones who are always being graped, killed, etc.
04:48:42.640
You do realize that men are disproportionately more likely to be victims of violent crime?
04:48:57.280
I'm happy to engage there, but you're going to have to concede with me that my point is true first.
04:49:03.040
That men are more likely to be victims of violent crime?
04:49:13.200
The gender of the perpetrator has no impact on the victim.
04:49:17.000
If I'm dead, and the person who killed me is a man, or the person who killed me is a woman, does that make me any more or less dead?
04:49:26.000
No, I'm saying that if it were a bunch of women graping and killing men, that it would be a huge issue.
04:49:31.780
But because it's the other way around, it's just normal and expected, and I don't see that people are standing up for it as much as they do for other things.
04:49:40.540
Murder of women by men is taken far more seriously than murder of men by men.
04:49:52.580
Maybe she means that women are weaker than men.
04:49:57.240
So as a man, you can protect yourself from another man if something like that happens.
04:50:06.580
Yeah, women are more vulnerable, even if men get killed more than women, basically.
04:50:15.360
Well, because men claim they're supposed to be our protectors, but then why would all those women be killed by femicide?
04:50:20.620
Because they can't protect themselves, and so men are supposed to be protectors.
04:50:24.540
So who's calling on these men to be protectors?
04:50:25.740
Hold on. If we want to talk about violence, then I'm like...
04:50:31.680
Although, like, probably some people are going to agree with me.
04:50:34.160
Like, women are overwhelmingly killing their children in the womb.
04:50:48.760
Like, at least, you know, when it comes to male violence, there's typically components of, like, you know, there's some fucking B for, like, gang violence or something.
04:50:57.460
Even though some of that stuff is, like, completely arbitrary and stupid, y'all are literally killing unborn children.
04:51:08.500
The men, like, the men who are, like, involved in gang violence and, like, street beefs over, like, who can sell smack on the street corner?
04:51:18.240
They're really, really defenseless unborn children.
04:51:22.120
Like, when was the last time you heard about a female student at a university graping a man and then still getting to graduate?
04:51:34.080
No, I'm saying, like, you like to redirect the conversation, which I totally respect and I will follow.
04:51:41.860
You're the one throwing out all these red herrings.
04:51:46.200
I'm stating things that are actually published online you can pull up.
04:52:03.920
You said something about being able to walk at graduation.
04:52:06.780
When the roles are reversed, men are going to stick up for other men and be like, oh, we're not going to take that from women.
04:52:12.120
But then when it's happening to women, we're supposed to be submissive.
04:52:19.160
First off, I do want to hear your example about being able to walk for graduation.
04:52:23.200
In prison, where the population is made up entirely of criminals, there can be murderers in there.
04:52:32.100
But if you go into general population in a prison and you're, they call it chomo, if you touch women or you touch children or whatever it is, you've got a fucking target on your back.
04:52:45.440
And if you step foot in general population, you will be dead within 24 hours at the hands of the other inmates.
04:52:51.580
So even criminal men who have questionable virtue, even they are going to literally kill, like vigilante justice will kill grapists and they will kill people who touch children.
04:53:07.660
So this idea that men won't hold other men accountable, the justice system is very effective.
04:53:13.980
And then in addition to that, there's extrajudicial punishment.
04:53:17.760
If these men do find themselves in prison and in a certain situation with an inmate, these guys got targets on their backs.
04:53:26.900
So this idea that grape, like there's a grape culture where it's accepted or that there's like a culture where this, these crimes are the most important crimes ever.
04:53:36.400
And trust me, most men would gladly, like will gladly kill a PDF file.
04:53:50.700
But I mean, on a worldwide scale, no matter where we are, women are still going to be like at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to.
04:54:01.360
Can you tell me the walking at the what was the example you provide you gave?
04:54:09.100
I don't even remember his name, but this was four years ago.
04:54:11.720
This college athlete, it's just the example I'm giving you to portray what I'm talking about.
04:54:19.440
Grape's her at a party on the university grounds.
04:54:22.940
But because it was a party and they didn't want to, like, say that, you know, he actually did it because he was their star fucking athlete on this team.
04:54:50.700
What evidence was presented that it actually occurred besides just the accusation was found and his his defense attorney was arguing that, oh, well, because there was alcohol at the party, who's to know if she gave him consent or not?
04:55:07.260
Well, even though it was outside behind a trash can and somebody found him doing it.
04:55:12.700
But anyways, wait, are you talking about the he's a swimmer?
04:55:17.500
I think I know the case that you're talking about.
04:55:26.800
There's some kid, rich kid who, like, I think killed somebody in the DUI and got off left, got off really easily, easily.
04:55:44.000
Like, let's say you went to Macy's like she did yesterday and you went to go shopping and a guy came up to you and was like, hey, Brian, like, what's up?
04:55:53.880
Like, are you thinking that he's going to, like, flash his dick at you?
04:55:58.040
Like, but don't you think that's sexualization.
04:56:02.520
If you walk in a parking garage as a woman and it's nighttime and there's a guy behind you, you get chills up your back.
04:56:21.500
So this idea that men can just, like, they blithely just walk through the world without a care in the, like, no cares and they just can walk at night without feeling unsafe.
04:56:32.680
I've been walking in situations where I felt unsafe.
04:56:43.480
Yeah, there's three women that got unaligned in Phoenix.
04:56:48.240
But I do, you mentioned that there was DNA for this, like, example that you provided.
04:56:53.840
So if somebody's had a consensual sexual encounter, is it plausible that they're going to find the other person's DNA on them?
04:57:07.480
Do you disagree with innocence until proven guilty?
04:57:11.560
You're saying that when she claimed that this happened, that it was consensual.
04:57:16.900
I don't know the specific case you're referencing.
04:57:19.660
You just gave me a vague thing where it sounds like there was a police investigation.
04:57:26.740
They made some determination that there wasn't enough evidence or something to proceed.
04:57:31.300
If that is actually the case, don't you believe in innocence until proven guilty?
04:57:42.800
But what I'm saying is when things like that happen, it's just common and it's water under the bridge.
04:58:13.680
Can you imagine if somebody else had said that?
04:58:19.140
I don't know if you investigated the accusations against Trump.
04:58:30.420
Are you talking about the civil case that he had?
04:58:40.480
If they find DNA, does that mean that a crime occurred?
04:58:45.060
Because I've had unprotected sex with my girlfriend, and if she went and got a DNA test, they would find DNA of me.
04:58:58.900
And it was a party with a bunch of other people.
04:59:01.680
Is it plausible that they had a consensual sexual encounter?
04:59:10.980
He's saying that she got too drunk, and she can't remember that she said no.
04:59:16.760
So they went to a college party, and they hooked up?
04:59:19.960
She showed up, and he was one of the guests there.
04:59:23.820
Yeah, but you can't give consent if you're intoxicated.
04:59:26.680
That's like, when you're past the point of certain intoxication, you're legally cannot get.
04:59:30.300
If you're incapacitated, but if you've had a beer, is that great?
04:59:35.540
No, this girl was passed out in the trash cans.
04:59:42.080
Okay, thank you for the new detail that you didn't previously present to me.
04:59:46.420
Yes, if you have sex with a woman who's passed out, that's great.
04:59:57.660
If the guy is more drunk than the woman, is she a grapist?
05:00:03.420
If he didn't give consent, yeah, I think it goes both ways.
05:00:13.040
But, okay, I'm trying to understand this because there are narratives out there that if you've had any level of alcohol consumption, you no longer can consent.
05:00:24.200
If you're not coherent, you can't, like, answer a yes or no question.
05:00:28.540
Like, and if you're, I don't know, I feel like the line is clear and you should know before you get drunk.
05:00:33.560
Like, it shouldn't be, like, if I was hooking up with someone and they got drunk and they said yes, I probably wouldn't even hook up with them then.
05:00:40.160
Like, I think that you should give permission beforehand or not hook up with someone who's blackout drunk or drunk at all.
05:00:46.460
Well, what responsibilities on women for getting blackout drunk and going to situations in which that's possible?
05:00:54.780
It's like, we're just going to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
05:01:00.800
I said, what's the responsibility on women getting trashed and getting drunk in environments where that stuff can happen?
05:01:08.580
I mean, if you go out and you just have a drink or two and you still have your senses about you, I mean, the likelihood of something like that happening is going to be much less.
05:01:18.620
But I think at that point, if it does happen to them, it's not, like, about the woman, like, if she was responsible enough or not and she shouldn't have gone blackout drunk.
05:01:27.620
Like, that shouldn't even be a question in that scenario, in my opinion.
05:01:33.340
If a woman got drunk, but she was not incapacitated, as almost any girl who's ever been to college ever has done, and then she regrets it the next day, is that great?
05:01:58.400
Girls will say that, and that's why girls don't have as much credibility about when they say, that's why people don't believe girls as much.
05:02:06.460
Because those situations happen, and then these guys' lives are ruined over a situation where they thought it was completely consensual.
05:02:18.620
And that's why girls' credibility is just, like, completely gone to shit when it comes to grape.
05:02:23.400
And that is just something that will forever be the case.
05:02:28.880
I just want, you know, for the next generation, like, I want both women and men to feel like they're safe, they're respected by the other gender, and that, like, they don't have to feel like, oh, my gosh, I can't even walk to my car at night without, you know, being at risk of something happening.
05:02:57.960
You'll never be in our shoes, so you won't see the perspective.
05:03:03.240
There's all these stories of, like, female teachers taking advantage of their, like, junior high school students, elementary school students.
05:03:13.000
It's not, like, it's downplayed to quite an extent.
05:03:17.500
I think, I personally think it's abhorrent, whereas, like, if it's a male teacher, female student, that's just major, major deal.
05:03:25.600
It's looked at through a completely different lens.
05:03:35.380
I mean, every week you can find a news article about a female teacher sleeping with her students.
05:03:43.060
You'll find tons and tons of articles, and then do it based on dates, and you'll see how frequently this is.
05:03:47.720
And then you look at the sentencing in regards to them versus if an adult male did that with the same age female, the sentencing is way different.
05:04:00.400
That's, like, more with the courts, like, not, like, what she's saying.
05:04:03.180
But it's just a cultural disposition that we have that needs to change in regards to how these dynamics work.
05:04:22.140
Well, I think everything started to spiral once we heard about femicide.
05:04:30.660
Well, I get the impression that you, like, it sounded like from what you told us before, like, you view things through this paradigm of through your own trauma.
05:04:40.000
No, I have, my mother is a domestic violence victim advocate, and my little sister worked for CPS, and she firsthand saw all these things happening.
05:04:53.160
Like, you view things in a very, like, biased sort of victim way.
05:05:04.160
I mean, one of the things, because you mentioned you're kind of proud about one out of every four women, like, stay single for the rest of your life.
05:05:12.840
And it sounds like, just based on everything you keep saying, it's a lot of fingers being pointed at men.
05:05:17.960
And it sounds like maybe that color is why even you have no interest in long-term relationships or marriage.
05:05:35.220
We're all human, like I was saying before, but obviously there are physical differences between...
05:06:04.880
I take the bait, and it's such a fucking buzzkill to talk about this topic.
05:06:15.520
Moving on, I guess, Jordan, you mentioned using men to take away your loneliness.
05:06:29.080
You know, I mean, I would find worth in attention and the way a guy would treat me or do things
05:06:48.840
I had to teach myself what it was like to be alone and be content and happy in singleness.
05:07:01.100
I would talk to random people and use it to fulfill myself for a bit.
05:07:10.800
Shula, do you want to put on your costume or whatever?
05:07:17.240
And then I'll get into your notes when you do that.
05:07:27.260
Yeah, I had to change it because I hacked my...
05:07:38.140
Sinmagic14 donated $200 to the female panelists.
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I speak for every man I know, met, or ever heard about.
05:07:47.680
If we see the grape going down in the parking lot, we will unalive that particular person.
05:08:00.980
There seems to be this, like, warped perception that, like, if a man saw something like that happening, like, he would cheer for it.
05:08:13.120
Some guys just don't understand what's going on, though.
05:08:15.340
Like, they might see it and then be like, oh, whatever, and then just keep walking because they think it's, like, both-sided.
05:08:20.840
Well, if a woman's yelling help and that's going down, like, it's going to be pretty obvious.
05:08:24.800
But if a woman is being raped and there's no, like, cry out for help, I mean, how could somebody know?
05:08:33.760
But, like, if a girl is, like, passed out or whatever, they might just think, like, that they're both doing it consensually.
05:08:43.600
To the super chatter's point, I don't know any men in my circle that would be okay with that or would turn a blind eye to that.
05:08:49.780
Even if they're, like, my friends, if we heard of each other abusing our spouses or something, like, that's just not okay.
05:08:57.140
And we would absolutely hold each other accountable.
05:08:59.800
So I don't, to the super chatter's point, I just don't see this phenomenon where men aren't holding men accountable.
05:09:06.140
We don't live in a utopia, and so there's always going to be crime.
05:09:11.540
But on average, I think men are much better than the panel has generally presented how men are and how we interact with each other.
05:09:23.120
Oh, well, I had, to be honest, I was hoping, I mean, love you as a guest, but if Andrew was on, I was about to flame that man.
05:09:53.020
And I just feel like if you want your career to last long, I would ditch that man to the side.
05:09:57.400
Because I don't think you're truly a bad man, but Andrew?
05:10:02.820
I'm personally friends with him, and I know he's a good man.
05:10:04.800
So we're talking about how, okay, do you think Andrew would, okay, did you hear the thing
05:10:07.940
he was talking about, grape, saying that some women think it's pleasurable?
05:10:15.600
Aren't grape fantasies like a huge best-selling sex novels for women?
05:10:24.000
Before we get into that, you're completely mischaracteristic.
05:10:27.260
First off, you didn't really precisely state what Andrew said.
05:10:33.420
You just said, did you hear what he said about grape?
05:10:37.140
I'm saying in any context to say those words, how he was saying that some women find it pleasurable.
05:10:42.000
I don't think any woman, even if they have a grape fantasy.
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Did you watch the extremely selectively edited clip, or did you actually go?
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I saw the full, not like hours before and after, but I'm saying even to say, like I saw some of the points after and before, I'm saying to even say that is insane.
05:11:10.700
Like for that to come out of his mouth, even as a like argument, it was crazy.
05:11:14.920
But also a lot of the other things he said before.
05:11:16.960
Since you saw the full thing, you must surely know the full context.
05:11:20.200
No, I said I saw parts before and after, not the full thing.
05:11:23.440
Yeah, so okay, what are the parts before and after, and what was the context of the conversation?
05:11:28.500
Just the one that put the context I'm saying is that when he said that, like he was trying to compare it to something else.
05:11:40.780
So, if I were to say, I think it's bad to call black people the N-word.
05:11:48.320
Now, let's say somebody clipped it and started it where I say, call black people the N-word, as if it was an advocation that you should call black people the N-word.
05:11:58.300
You would agree that that would be disingenuous editing, right?
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It's not a precise one-to-one, but the clip was selectively edited.
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In this case, he was asking the guy a hypothetical question to test his, to basically test his logic.
05:12:21.460
So, me personally, I would have perhaps used a different hypothetical, but he wasn't making an advocation for great.
05:12:31.600
Even if he's not saying that, like the person to say that is crazy.
05:12:41.500
Like, we can agree to disagree or whatever, but I'm saying, like, even whatever he said before and after, to say that sentence is crazy to me.
05:12:48.120
I don't care what he was saying before and after.
05:12:53.140
He shows a lot of things, the way he lashes out at people, all the things that he does during the show.
05:12:57.420
Like, there's a little much, but hope for the best for him.
05:13:01.720
He was, okay, the guy was basically saying, in some cases, X.
05:13:22.920
The guy was saying, well, in some instances, here's an exception, then X, right?
05:13:35.440
And so, Andrew used, he wasn't making an advocation for what he was talking about.
05:13:40.460
He was saying, well, in your worldview, would this, logically, this would have to be the case if you're making this sort of argument.
05:13:52.120
Yeah, I don't think even then he should use that, like, topic.
05:13:57.140
But that's the point of the hypothetical is to go to the extreme to highlight a point.
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And I think also the same man who, like, talks about how women are strong and this and that.
05:14:11.040
Like, all these things he says, like, aren't, like.
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Don't you believe that men have a monopoly on physical violence?
05:14:18.800
Don't you believe that we have a monopoly on physical violence?
05:14:22.880
Like, if every man wanted to subjugate women, all women, and the whole world was divided upon those lines, hypothetical.
05:14:55.260
Maybe I should have done the notes, your notes, before we got into that.
05:15:03.600
Oh, well, I'm not saying, because he's not here.
05:15:11.820
Do you think, you were saying that he thinks men are physically stronger than women.
05:15:16.380
No, the fact that he's, like, dies on this hill, that men are stronger than women and
05:15:26.980
Because he's, like, men are stronger than women.
05:15:29.500
And then he's trying to blame it on the reasons.
05:15:32.800
A quadriplegic, if a quadriplegic who has no use of their upper body at all.
05:15:40.020
If a quadriplegic said, who, he doesn't have any use of his arms, so he's really physically
05:15:48.800
weak, said that men are stronger than women, would he be wrong for saying that because
05:16:02.180
But, okay, but is he wrong about, is the argument still true?
05:16:06.520
And there's other things I'm not going to list because he's not here, so I'm not going
05:16:09.620
But I'm saying, I'm saying as a comment, it's funny because it is funny.
05:16:17.700
To be fair, you have to tap the top of the jar.
05:16:43.280
If a guy drinks and then makes the decision to drive and gets a DUI,
05:16:47.700
regrets it, is he responsible for the DUI and your wreck?
05:16:51.560
Or should he not be responsible because he was too drunk to consent?
05:17:03.120
It's not even a valid comparison because he, it's just involving himself.
05:17:21.020
I mean, if the girl got drunk and she got DUI, it's still her DUI.
05:17:25.200
So just to steal me on the super chat, let's say somebody else was involved and hurt and
05:17:34.240
Would that be, the super chatter is trying to make the point about responsibility.
05:17:38.920
The thing that I mentioned earlier about being in the situation and then consenting and taking
05:17:43.820
all those drinks, he's highlighting, obviously, extreme example.
05:17:47.200
Well, let's say a man is inebriated, drives, and actually wrecks into somebody, alters their
05:17:54.020
If he can't consent, just like a woman says she can't consent when she's inebriated, is it
05:17:59.540
I think that's the steel man position of what he's trying to say.
05:18:02.840
But he's still the one committing an act towards the other person.
05:18:08.700
I'm just trying to steal man what the super chatter is.
05:18:10.620
I mean, it's like saying, so what, so women should never be allowed to get drunk at a
05:18:17.240
And I actually don't know what, let's say that there's a woman who, and I don't drink,
05:18:26.320
I've never been like blackout drunk, but couldn't, isn't it possible that you could be blackout
05:18:38.240
Like you would, like somebody might not know that you're blacked out.
05:18:46.520
But so arguably though, like from their perspective, you come across as just any other, like normally,
05:18:59.620
But under your guys' definition, this guy has just committed a rape.
05:19:06.060
If he has sex with her, but he doesn't know that she's incapacitated and she doesn't indicate
05:19:12.780
to him in any way while she's blackout drunk, like she's moving around and she's, I mean,
05:19:22.260
And I woke up the next day and I woke up the next day and was like, well, I maybe shouldn't
05:19:27.720
have put myself kind of, it's like, it's like a half and half thing in that situation.
05:19:31.460
Cause I'm like, I, I must've in that moment said yes and I regretted it, highly regretted
05:19:41.120
But like, do I need to go ruin that guy's life?
05:19:47.720
Cause I look like I am the kind of person, if I get blackout drunk, which I don't tend
05:19:51.980
to do that often, but if I do it, I look completely normal and I like act normal.
05:19:57.380
But like under your sense of what constitutes that crime, would that, has a grape occurred?
05:20:13.260
I'm saying that it can be like, if she gave consent and was blacked out, that's something
05:20:22.220
where she, she's got to talk to a therapist and she's got to figure that out.
05:20:26.940
But I don't think he should be accused of grape if she gave full consent while she was blacked
05:20:31.580
But you would argue that a grape did occur or didn't?
05:20:35.020
I'm saying if she, if she verbally had told him something that gave him the impression
05:20:40.540
She was very enthusiastically having sex with him.
05:20:44.800
So she was, and he, but he was not aware of her level of incapacitation.
05:20:54.860
So he wasn't, he wasn't intentionally committing that against her will then.
05:20:59.080
And that's not grape because the men, the men who, if she's knocked out or she did not
05:21:04.480
give you consent or she's blackout drunk and still hasn't given you consent, you shouldn't
05:21:18.000
What if, so that woman could wake up and similar to what Lucy said, just be like, oopsie, or
05:21:25.400
she could wake up and be like, what the fuck am I doing here?
05:21:33.280
I think it again goes to the consent because if he, let's assume that he's ignoring like
05:21:41.760
the, the telltale signs that, Oh, she's not able to tell me yes.
05:21:47.520
She says that she's fairly lucid when she gets that way.
05:21:50.040
So just using her as the example, obviously not her perspicically, but that example and
05:21:55.680
say that she is lucid and she maybe signals consent and the guy doesn't know that she's totally
05:22:07.340
I think it's case by case basis, honestly, because I'm aware that that happens to me.
05:22:11.500
Like I'm aware that I get blackout and I, I seem totally normal to the, or not normal,
05:22:15.900
but you know, like a normal drunk, um, to the person that I'm talking to.
05:22:24.260
We're all kind of like, we can hold down our liquor.
05:22:26.200
I'm Irish, but, um, but, um, so we're kind of, I'm, I'm just like that.
05:22:31.840
But so it's happened, you know, more than once.
05:22:34.440
And I haven't, you know, gone to the pool, but even the first time it happened, like
05:22:51.420
Or you tell your friends like, Hey, you know, this happened with this guy, but like to go
05:22:56.140
to the police, I think it's just a case by case basis.
05:22:58.780
If someone, if a girl doesn't realize how she gets when she gets drunk and let's say
05:23:03.260
she's like 18, 19 or whatever age she starts drinking and she has no idea how she's going
05:23:09.240
to get when she gets drunk and she's unaware of how she is when she's drunk, then that would
05:23:14.320
be considered great because she's not, she's unaware.
05:23:28.280
But isn't it, couldn't it be plausible that, you know, when people go off to college, many
05:23:33.140
of these people like didn't drink or didn't drink very much at college, people go out,
05:23:44.680
I mean, people perhaps do things that they wouldn't have done when they were sober.
05:23:48.780
But I, I can definitely envision scenarios where maybe the guy got more drunk.
05:23:55.560
The guy was blackout and the girl was like, she was there.
05:23:59.940
She had a fucking white claw and the dude's like 10 shots deep or something.
05:24:05.620
Like, is that, is that, I mean, he's not, let's say he's not passed out, but he's like
05:24:23.680
Well, isn't the argument though, once you're past a certain threshold, you can't consent.
05:24:38.280
Like if they're too drunk, like that shouldn't even be a thing.
05:24:45.100
I'm going to look at my phone and have like all this.
05:24:51.740
And I don't want my girl drinking like that either.
05:24:54.640
We have some chats we get, we got to get through.
05:25:00.180
If you want to get a roast in, roast the panel boys.
05:25:12.700
Chair two, Andrew Wilson and Rachel Wilson are awesome people.
05:25:15.280
They would roast you and turn you into a full course buffet.
05:25:25.540
All I can say is Andrew released a video on that explaining the fuller context.
05:25:29.860
If you want to like, love you, Andrew, if you want to get, you know, his side of it.
05:25:34.180
But he was definitely not making an advocation or anything like that.
05:25:38.440
Even though chair three said Phoenix in her intro and has now changed to Tucson based Thor and I have consulted with our Tucson contacts and they don't claim her either.
05:25:59.380
It's so amusing and ironic when feministic influenced women argue that women in the world are getting unalived by men each year.
05:26:06.200
Yet the number of abortions per year exceeds femicide worldwide.
05:26:19.340
I don't think it's feministic to, which, by the way, do you even know the definition of feminism?
05:26:33.100
Well, it depends on which wave, the context and how it's defined.
05:26:36.440
Third wave and fourth wave feminism are a little bit different than first wave feminism.
05:26:46.900
I'll give you the charitable definition and the real my definition.
05:26:50.140
The charitable definition is a woman's advocacy movement at best.
05:26:56.600
At worst, it's that plus massive hatred of men, misandry, and actually a movement towards a, what's the right word for this?
05:27:32.820
Let me ask you, what do you, tell me what your definition of feminism is.
05:27:44.800
Wait, but what's your, what's your definition of feminism?
05:27:53.900
What rights do women not have that men have right now?
05:28:03.880
There's not any that exists in the whole world.
05:28:06.760
There's no, there's no men that are sex slaves in the whole world.
05:28:14.340
I guarantee you there's men that are sex slaves in the world that exists.
05:28:18.160
I like how you want to look at the five and then there'll be like 95.
05:28:23.500
I'm saying I guarantee you that there's something exists.
05:28:33.320
So you don't think women should have the right to live freely and not be sex slaves?
05:29:14.960
Tell us one Western country where sex slavery is legal.
05:29:20.220
I like how you had to make sure you said Western country.
05:29:23.640
You're doing the exact same thing you think you're accusing me of.
05:29:27.320
Every time we push back on your feminist worldview, you want to be like, well, in South Sudan, the fuck, who, bro.
05:29:36.880
I don't know about the happenings of feminism in Eritrea.
05:29:52.520
But let's preferably talk about the United States.
05:30:00.620
Are you going to feel okay that she is safe to travel around the world by herself?
05:30:08.860
Because I believe that she needs to be accompanied by a man.
05:30:13.200
Because the rest of the world doesn't share my values.
05:30:16.080
Now, if it was your son, would you say the same thing?
05:30:19.340
I would still prefer him to be with a group of people.
05:30:25.520
You know what's funny is she has this sort of xenophobia towards these, like, eastern countries or these third world countries.
05:30:35.680
But she's totally in favor of allowing their immigrants to come to our civilized Western country.
05:30:43.660
How do you reconcile always, like, deferring to this argument of, well, what about in fucking Somalia?
05:30:55.000
But you're like, well, I think it's okay if we just have open borders and, like, all their immigrants can come into the United States.
05:31:07.460
Feminism has given every modern civilization a lack of a replacement rate regarding birth.
05:31:13.740
So, almost every civilization which feminism has become somewhat normalized, they're not even at replacement rate, which is, like, 2.1 children per woman.
05:31:22.800
But why do you blame it on feminism, necessarily?
05:31:24.860
Because it's totally shifted the relationship dynamics and the way that women perceive themselves and men and how, what's the point of us getting together in the first place?
05:31:34.060
And then the idea that you don't want to have a child because of your career or money or different things and that now you have a, you know, your child's a fur baby.
05:31:47.280
Like, for example, when we used to live, like, agrarian societies, then children were an economic asset because, you know, you needed people to work on your farm.
05:31:56.220
But, you know, as we shifted to industrialized societies, like...
05:32:00.460
So, industrialized societies were below replacement rate?
05:32:27.040
I'm non-binary, black, trans-ageist, or whatever.
05:32:33.100
Well, we got that before you got to costume it.
05:32:48.000
I was on a debate team at my private Christian high school, so...
05:33:04.040
You know, we're just having a little conversation.
05:33:10.100
I've been watching the podcast for the last eight months and going through videos from
05:33:32.580
He was charged with the crime and convicted, but the...
05:33:54.500
I've lowered it here at the end of the stream if you guys want to get one in.
05:34:05.920
Chair three said everyone being safe is a reasonable request.
05:34:10.080
It's actually entirely unreasonable and divorced from reality.
05:34:22.140
I didn't realize the government could decide if we live or die.
05:34:32.180
Or, you know, there's been a lot of dictatorships.
05:34:42.360
It's conceivable that a government could come into power that could take away your rights.
05:34:54.740
It's logically possible that in the United States, a government could come to power that stripped back people's rights.
05:35:06.720
So do rights actually exist is the question you have to ask yourself.
05:35:12.240
But just because you can take it away doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
05:35:15.400
But it's a mental fictition that's granted by the social consensus regarding the government.
05:35:22.720
So that's where, again, the argument's made about duties versus rights.
05:35:27.360
As people made in the image of God, we have duties.
05:35:30.460
And Andrew talks a lot about this and uses this as a point to differentiate between how we engage in society and that men and women should have duties and responsibilities because responsibility comes with duty.
05:35:41.320
And the idea that women, feminism, can live in a world that men created without any responsibility or duty to the collective.
05:35:49.280
You guys, when we now we're in apparently a war with Iran, you guys aren't going to be conscripted to go to the front line.
05:36:01.460
I'm not saying that Trump is using the draft right now.
05:36:04.000
But I'm saying in that instance, men have a duty to society that we all have socially granted.
05:36:23.540
And you're married and you've been married for a long time and you have four children.
05:36:26.760
And you have contributed more to society than the vast majority of women because of that.
05:36:41.720
You do realize, though, without men, y'all would still be living in caves and, like, teepees and shit?
05:36:57.100
If there weren't any men, you wouldn't be able to...
05:36:58.760
They just started making children out of her bone marrow.
05:37:02.920
If all men disappeared, like, today, there'd be the end of the species.
05:37:22.460
I should have done this before you put your costume on because...
05:37:35.240
The girl is very disrespectful, ignoring him, texting on her phone.
05:37:38.020
Then she ordered the most expensive thing on the menu and had it packed to go home, and
05:38:01.100
You said dating for the sake of dating is bad, especially for women.
05:38:08.840
If I do it wearing this, it will sound really weird.
05:38:18.740
I'm Jewish, Orthodox, so that's what I did for myself.
05:38:23.040
Like, I only dated for marriage, and, you know, that's why we dated for such short period of
05:38:27.660
time, because, like, you're not supposed to live with the person that you're dating,
05:38:31.160
and you're not even supposed to touch, because touching is a distraction.
05:38:34.860
So, like, we didn't touch the whole time, and that's how we got married.
05:38:40.980
So you said there's, like, matchmakers involved?
05:38:48.460
That's not the society that I was part of, but...
05:38:53.700
So you never did anything, like, oral, or, like...
05:38:59.500
Like, she said dating before, you didn't touch anything.
05:39:20.260
Like, I think that's amazing, that you can, like, only...
05:39:22.700
But that's because she comes from a community that's very insulated, and they date within
05:39:27.260
So I'm sure, like, her community, her parents were involved in choosing the partner and going
05:39:31.140
through a process to confirm, because, again, the whole point is long-term marriage and
05:39:39.260
When you touch the other person, like, it's a distraction, because then you don't
05:39:45.400
You don't think, like, oh, is he going to be the right husband for me or the right father
05:39:53.460
How long were you with him before you got married?
05:39:59.340
So you weren't waiting that long before he gets...
05:40:00.960
That's why marriages happen quickly, because, you know, if you wait for too long, then...
05:40:15.100
Nowadays, there are more and more women posting videos online denouncing feminism and stating
05:40:21.780
that how it robbed them of motherhood to further its revenge agenda under the guise of women's
05:40:41.360
Many modern women always say that they feel scared and unsafe.
05:40:45.580
Yet, they travel to other countries, especially to ones with high rates of crime, including
05:41:27.520
I don't know if I trust your level of niceness.
05:41:38.020
I don't know if I trust your judgment on that either.
05:42:21.160
But Brian, you are a wizard sleeve loving weirdo lolly a freak plow.
05:42:28.040
He's talking about large labia, big labia matter.
05:43:09.040
Some girls claim they have an Audi, but it's not even...
05:44:05.380
Do you all have plans for when AI floods the beauty market with tens that will do anything
05:44:10.540
that they are asked for $1 a month and annihilates low effort beauty-based content creation of etc?
05:44:22.580
Are they saying, like, AI will take over the OnlyFans creators?
05:44:28.060
And it's, like, I think it's quite obvious that they're not real.
05:44:33.860
And also, like, they'll eventually find out that, like, it's AI talking to them.
05:44:41.660
You know, it's a beautiful AI girl, but she had, like, over a million followers.
05:44:46.340
You know, I was actually on the way to the studio.
05:44:50.560
What is going to be, moving off of that specifically a little bit, what is going to be the first, like, number one music hit that was made by just AI?
05:45:07.360
Like, eventually there is, I think there is going to be a song that, like, hits number one on the charts that's just AI.
05:45:16.780
Yeah, I mean, it could be, like, already happening.
05:45:27.220
He says he uses AI, but he puts, like, a woman's image over him, like a beautiful girl.
05:45:32.700
And he does only things, but he pretends to be an AI woman.
05:45:43.360
It's also fascinating if you don't think about it, but he claims to make great money.
05:45:52.280
I think just on the how fast AI is going, maybe within one or two years, this podcast could be reproduced.
05:46:06.620
I mean, AI already looks good, but, like, it could be done.
05:46:36.160
No, not like punked, but, like, hidden camera stuff.
05:46:43.300
We're going to do some of the questionnaire stuff, then hopefully get wrapped up, I don't
05:47:09.700
Oh, Shula, you said red pill is just as toxic as feminism.
05:47:15.700
Yeah, because I'm an ex, and it's just, like, the number of men who are angry and lonely
05:47:23.360
Yeah, the number of men who are, like, lonely and angry and they hate women is just insane.
05:47:28.660
Hey, put, put, Chloe, put the mic at the edge of the table.
05:47:40.300
Yeah, so by red pill, I mean people, like, entertain, you know, like, Nick Fuentes, and
05:47:44.860
I think they influence men in a really bad way.
05:47:48.140
But, I mean, I wouldn't consider Nick Fuentes red pill, per se, maybe politically, but are
05:47:55.220
you meaning more like the manosphere type stuff?
05:47:58.040
I wouldn't consider Nick Fuentes part of that, but I also wouldn't consider the manosphere
05:48:02.900
or the red pill causing men to be angry at women.
05:48:06.200
And the red pill manosphere generally is not MGTOW, which is men going their own way where
05:48:12.880
So, I think there's a lot of useful stuff that the manosphere talks about, and on a descriptive
05:48:17.920
level, I agree with a lot of it as a traditional Christian, on a prescriptive level, meaning what
05:48:23.380
we should do based on the way that society is, I differ quite drastically from the manosphere,
05:48:28.680
because I'm going to return back to tradition and religion, as opposed to some of the remedies
05:48:35.020
So, I understand that feminism is toxic, and it's caused a lot of this, but, like, they're
05:48:41.260
doing the reverse, and it's really toxic, just as toxic.
05:48:48.300
Yeah, because feminists blame men for everything, and they demonize men, and the manosphere people,
05:48:55.780
But, okay, let's go ahead and grant, I disagree, but let's grant for the sake of argument, like,
05:49:02.060
let's say, yes, red pill is mirror opposite of feminism.
05:49:06.340
But when you say just as bad as, can it ever be the case that, like, the handful of, like,
05:49:16.380
somewhat influential red pill creators have nearly the amount of reach and institutional
05:49:26.080
Oh, but I'm saying in the future, like, I can see it being, like...
05:49:29.740
I'm sorry, they're not going to teach red pill in college.
05:49:38.880
So, again, I disagree with your assessment, but even granting that, like, they're the mirror,
05:49:44.380
they're kind of just, like, the ideology is bad, but you agree that some ideologies have
05:49:52.100
Yeah, but some ideologies start off small, but they have the potential to expand.
05:50:05.420
Realistically, though, currently, there's no way that you can actually make the claim
05:50:15.620
Okay, but, like, look, for example, at what Andrew Tate is saying.
05:50:21.100
You know, to be a really powerful man, you have men who have to, like, sleep with all these
05:50:32.440
I mean, it might be better than the antinatalist position of feminism, which is don't have
05:50:39.020
Don't, or put off children or don't have children.
05:50:41.140
I don't necessarily agree with polygamy, but I think that that might be better than the
05:50:49.940
No, but they say that feminism led to promiscuity, and feminism destroyed the family.
05:50:55.700
Like, if you practice, like, what Andrew Tate is saying, the result is promiscuity.
05:51:02.800
If you have 100 kids, you can't take care of your kids.
05:51:09.000
So I see this as being potentially very, very damaging.
05:51:12.300
Sure, but I don't think, again, Andrew Tate, or anybody who advocates the same things as
05:51:21.440
Andrew Tate, has nearly the level of influence that feminism does.
05:51:29.700
No, it's, Andrew Tate has been, um, has been deplatformed since, like, 2022, 2023.
05:51:43.960
Look, I don't know the truth of his criminal cases or whatever that are currently pending.
05:51:49.180
There's some disputes as to whether it's, you know, you know, sort of there's a political
05:51:59.600
He's lost vast amounts of his influence and all the platforms.
05:52:05.160
But he's got, like, millions of followers on X.
05:52:11.940
Like, the next second, he's got, like, thousands of likes and views.
05:52:15.100
Right, and, and feminism is at every, is taught at every single college in this, uh, feminism
05:52:23.880
is taught at every single university and college in this country.
05:52:28.360
There's thousands and thousands of universities and colleges across the United States.
05:52:33.700
It's, they have millions or billions of dollar endowments.
05:52:45.060
Feminine, and it's not just the, the university system.
05:52:53.680
You look at governments, not just the federal level, but you can look at, you know, uh, the
05:52:59.120
county, the city, whatever, whatever smaller jurisdictions there are.
05:53:03.540
Feminism is so entrenched and steeped in all these levels of society.
05:53:07.760
To say that red pill ideology, which is, like, completely, and is, is completely small and
05:53:17.260
insignificant in comparison to the power that feminism has across institutions.
05:53:25.460
You know, it's coming and it's growing and it's growing.
05:53:28.340
So I'm not saying that feminism doesn't have more power.
05:53:31.620
Would you, would you prefer red pill or feminism?
05:53:40.820
The reason I created this character is because I don't like extremes, you know?
05:53:58.660
I just think they're mirror images of each other and they're.
05:54:06.240
I, I don't think that, like, uh, Patrick was saying, uh, as it comes, as it relates to some of the prescriptions of the red pill.
05:54:18.140
It's hard to define it, but, like, I think you know what I mean.
05:54:21.620
But some of the things, I mean, generally speaking, the red pill is talking about we live in a gynocentric world order.
05:54:27.520
Uh, divorce courts are totally, uh, lying against men and are robbing men from paternity and access to their children.
05:54:35.280
Uh, hypergamy, that it's very difficult for men to find women that won't, like, level up at the first opportunity that they have.
05:54:43.100
So there's a lot of things within the red pill that are very much true just about the state of the world.
05:54:49.560
And, and I may have my own differences with Andrew Tate regarding polygamy or how he does his own lifestyle and family organization.
05:54:56.800
But most of his content is really getting young men to desire to become the best version of themselves.
05:55:02.300
And I think if we want a more stable and, uh, less of a crime-ridden society, men, especially young, young men, becoming the best version of themselves is the best thing that's for everybody at this table.
05:55:14.560
And it's going to make everybody at this table more safe.
05:55:16.920
No, but he's trying to make men in his own image.
05:55:21.840
Oh, I agree that your masculinity is not defined by your Bugatti and stuff like that.
05:55:25.320
And I think if he was pressed, he would also agree with that.
05:55:27.580
That's just part of his bravado and, like, his persona and his online image.
05:55:31.760
And that's where, again, in regards to prescriptions, yeah, I would totally disagree.
05:55:35.600
But I think the red pill is a necessary antidote and counterweight to feminism just to try to level the spectrum and give young men the opportunity to re-envision and perceive the world in a correct way so that they can navigate it correctly.
05:55:50.480
Because there's a lot of odds that are stacked against young men.
05:55:53.660
Like, this whole idea about we live in a patriarchy and men are privileged, like, it's just not the case.
05:55:58.900
Young men, especially white Christian men in America, are the most demonized.
05:56:05.640
Like, what privilege does a, let's say he comes from a lower middle class, white Christian male, what privilege does he have in this society?
05:56:13.480
But, like, there are a lot of things in the red pill that overlap with, like, your general, you know, conservative ideas.
05:56:22.260
I'm disputing all these different, like, radical ideas that exist in the red pill.
05:56:26.560
Yeah, and I would disagree with those prescriptions as well.
05:56:38.000
We're going to blast through the questionnaire.
05:56:39.080
So, why don't we start, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husbands?
05:56:55.200
If we're both working, I would just want it to be equal to whatever I'm making.
05:57:03.780
Wait, do you want to share what that is, or Lindsay?
05:57:11.620
Well, say you guys get together and you make the same amount, and then later in the relationship,
05:57:17.880
Is that going to affect the dynamic between you and him, even though when you first got together,
05:57:24.420
No, because I supported my ex all through COVID when he got fired right before the quarantine.
05:57:44.500
Dude, for Father's Day, I had my mom wear the collar daddy hat, and then I put her pronouns
05:57:53.340
As long as he can, like, afford his own lifestyle, like, if he's already living on his own, affording
05:57:58.060
all his bills and everything, that's good for me.
05:58:05.000
Also, like, Canadian currency is way different than here.
05:58:08.400
So, give us, yeah, that's just, like, can you round it in general U.S.
05:58:12.940
And it's also, like, I think it's more expensive here.
05:58:33.920
I don't really care as long as the guy just, like, treats me right.
05:58:39.440
I don't really care as long as the guy treats me right.
05:58:49.880
But if I come across one who's, like, really nice and funny.
05:59:10.880
Another girl said that she needs a certain size wang.
05:59:20.500
Yeah, for functionality, she needs it five or more.
05:59:23.780
We're talking if I'm just, like, pretending you're actually enjoying it, you know?
05:59:44.660
Wait, by the way, so originally, and I was trying to find the tweet, I think you tweeted
05:59:48.520
at me or something, and then that's when I think we invited you on the show on X.
06:00:04.960
Or you were maybe responding to either, like, something I said or Andrew said, maybe?
06:00:33.800
I think it's more so I'm not going to provide for someone's lifestyle.
06:00:38.860
If they want to live a certain way, they can provide for that themselves.
06:00:43.820
I mean, I don't really, I, I don't know, I wasn't raised that way.
06:00:47.380
But you wouldn't date, would you date a guy who works at a fast food joint?
06:00:50.780
If he, if he was respectful and he works hard, I think it's the integrity behind working.
06:00:56.200
How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
06:01:02.760
That microphone's like tilted like way, damn, that's, Chloe, put that, this girl's turn,
06:01:28.400
I'm just like, my back hurts all the fucking time because of my titties, so.
06:01:39.640
They were pretty big, like a C cup or, yeah, A, B, C, yeah, C, a full C.
06:02:15.660
Maybe I should, maybe we'll get this girl some food.
06:02:18.960
My tummy's been, like, growling so loud the whole podcast.
06:02:27.360
You better need to readjust so that you guys don't hear the grumbling.
06:02:29.940
Wait, so, did you have back pain before you got the surgery?
06:02:42.500
So, you're, wait, but that's kind of goes back to what we were talking about.
06:02:46.940
Like, you'll, you'll have back pain for, uh, for, for, for titties.
06:02:55.840
I would, I have a chronic back injury and chronic back pain, chronic neck pain.
06:03:01.120
To get rid of my, like, I got, I don't know if the viewers know this.
06:03:10.840
Uh, I would, to get rid of my back pain, I might actually, like, if it was the case
06:03:17.640
that I had to get fake titties to get rid of my back pain, I would do it.
06:03:24.460
You got fake titties in the, like, kind of the reverse.
06:03:27.440
Honestly, I didn't think that, I thought it was only, like, natural girls get back pain,
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More on how she's so small, and they're so big, I think that's why.
06:03:46.980
Uh, all right, we have, uh, oh, how tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man
06:04:22.160
Like, five, seven would, I would do five, six, but that's, like, the least, cause a short
06:04:27.000
You were five, seven here, but yeah, that's fine.
06:04:36.860
Um, I'm five, six, and minimum would be, like, five, ten, but, like, nothing over, like,
06:04:42.040
I'm five, seven, and I, like, five, eleven, guys.
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I'm five, five, and I'm fine with anybody five, six, and taller.
06:04:54.300
Uh, well, I'm five, four, and my husband is six, one, I think.
06:05:01.700
I would prefer, like, six, but I have dated somebody almost the same height as me.
06:05:09.180
Uh, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
06:05:16.160
I keep writing down bear, but I think I'm, like, re-evaluating that.
06:05:40.080
A bear, a bear is, like, always, always gonna kill you.
06:05:55.960
Um, a bear, because, like, I feel like if a man were to kill me, it would be, like, in
06:05:59.820
some psychotic way out there, and, like, a bear is just gonna, it's gonna, I'm gonna die
06:06:07.600
Uh, it depends if it's a black bear or a brown bear.
06:06:11.300
Well, so it's a random man or a random bear, so it could spawn in a grizzly, it could spawn
06:06:31.060
Uh, those of you who picked bear, why do you pick bear?
06:06:35.660
You know, I kind of agree with her, saying that if I were to die, it would not be in
06:06:40.520
Right, but the hypothetical doesn't necessarily indicate that the man's gonna kill you.
06:06:46.060
I don't want to come across, like, some random dude on a hike.
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Like, I feel like that's, I'm in the middle of nowhere if I'm by myself.
06:06:56.320
I'd probably have, like, more of a heart attack seeing a man in the wilderness.
06:07:03.780
You have more of a chance of fighting it off, though.
06:07:09.660
The bear, like, he may go away, you know, but if he comes up.
06:07:20.720
So, is there, like, is there a component here, like, the man could essay?
06:07:30.100
But also, just, like, he might have, like, gear on it.
06:07:35.280
Yeah, but, like, then what if the bear is just, like, a little bear and he just runs
06:07:40.580
It's just kind of stunning that the randomness of coming across a man, like, invokes so much
06:07:46.760
fear and the thought of immediately he's gonna kill you.
06:07:49.520
I mean, you've yet to come across a man who attempted to do that, right?
06:07:55.740
I mean, I don't really, I don't put myself in those situations.
06:08:01.220
You've put yourself alone in rooms by the time you were 18 with, like, a hundred plus
06:08:10.860
Unless y'all, you were fucking in public or some shit.
06:08:14.140
I wasn't, like, in the wilderness and I saw him and was like, yo.
06:08:16.540
But you would willingly go out into the wilderness and it's plausible that it, not the wilderness,
06:08:24.860
If you're trying to prove, like, that I'm a dumb bitch, then sure.
06:09:00.500
I know you don't want to really engage too much on the debate, but is there a component
06:09:04.920
like, yeah, the guy could like do some creepy, pervy shit, essay, whatever.
06:09:11.980
But like, I'm not saying it in like a hyper feminist way.
06:09:15.240
He's for sure going to like, is that what you're trying to get at?
06:09:17.640
Because I feel like that's like where you're trying to get at.
06:09:26.140
I just know if I saw a man out in the wilderness, like he'd be like way more set in like his
06:09:34.080
Because I wouldn't know anything about being in the wilderness.
06:09:36.060
And I just feel like he'd be like, I just don't know what he would, what the fuck is
06:09:45.080
You know, it makes me get the heebie-jeebies, Brian.
06:09:50.580
But like, I don't, like, this is just so hypothetical.
06:10:21.740
I haven't been to the, I haven't been to the club, but I've been to the club.
06:10:42.800
And then, uh, for you, is there a risk assessment?
06:10:47.840
Um, there's a risk assessment, like, okay, the guy could essay.
06:10:51.080
What percentage of men do you think would be inclined to do this, I guess?
06:11:03.780
I mean, I was vaguely gesturing with my hand in your direction.
06:11:08.300
Only because that's, that's the mindset that I immediately went to, just because that's,
06:11:13.020
my biggest fear is to get kidnapped and like taken.
06:11:17.180
You know, I, I don't think most guys in the world are like that, but the small percentage
06:11:31.820
But what, what percentage of men do you think are, is it 10%, 50%?
06:12:15.020
I'm not going to debate you much on the bear thing then.
06:12:29.180
Oh, I was just saying in general, like the weight topic, like what your stance on it.
06:12:33.880
And then going to my homegirl, my Caucasian, Lindsay Lee.
06:12:46.660
This is, the question is, do you have any disagreements with the show host?
06:12:50.280
You said gender bias, but it's natural as a man.
06:12:56.280
Yeah, because of course you're going to favor with the side that you're a part of.
06:13:09.760
And while it might be the case for me that I lean more favorably towards men, they've actually found that, not in a gay way.
06:13:18.620
But women have an in-group, women have a, what is it, a strong in-group bias for women, and men have a slight out-group bias for women.
06:13:35.960
So this means that actually men show, like, favoritism towards women.
06:13:43.580
And women show really, really strong favoritism for women.
06:13:51.460
There's probably women who have an out-group bias for men.
06:13:54.560
Well, yeah, I mean, because obviously the cooch in your mouth feels better than your hand, so of course they're going to favor us.
06:14:07.120
And mouth is going to feel better than your hand.
06:14:11.440
She's saying that the reason they have an out-group preference is because they have the opportunity.
06:14:15.160
Because they have the opportunity of sexual activity.
06:14:28.580
That's why these women ain't really simping out here.
06:15:14.360
I feel like I've lived, like, a hundred different lives in the last, like, 24 years.
06:15:23.740
When you say you've lived a hundred different lives...
06:15:29.780
So, I don't think, like, someone should come in and judge me for something I did, like, 10 years ago.
06:15:54.160
It's fucking Canadians come down here and think they can just kick it in the summer fucking summer solstice.
06:16:00.020
Well, RUV only gets up to, like, eight highest.
06:16:23.980
Just, like, when I was, like, I don't know, like, from, like, 14, 18, I partied a lot.
06:16:26.920
And, like, a lot of people who, like, know me from that age would come in and be, like, oh, she's a party girl or whatever.
06:16:49.160
You're the only one who said a woman's passion not matter.
06:16:51.040
The question, then, is what about body count, though?
06:17:03.620
I'm like, if a guy told me, like, if he was like, you've had sex with so many people, like,
06:17:18.500
I get, like, where they're coming from to a certain extent.
06:17:22.580
But, like, am I going to make a big deal about it?
06:17:25.940
Well, this is the moment of the show where we...
06:17:35.240
Hey, I thought a woman's passion not matter, Katerina.
06:17:39.660
It doesn't, but some things are just better left unsaid.
06:18:43.200
But, early on in the show, though, you said, prior to graduating high school, it was like,
06:19:35.700
According to my calculations, your body count is 375.
06:19:54.620
We're going to just go ahead and round up to 500.
06:20:00.460
And if you're related to me and you're watching, I'm so sorry.
06:20:31.420
Maybe I should start, like, making guys, like, sign their name in a notebook or something.
06:20:55.720
Yeah, the first, there's a couple, if you see Chuck.
06:21:18.120
And then I got recruited into Korn by Brittany Amber.
06:21:31.060
Well, you've done over, like, 200 scenes or something, right?
06:22:11.920
I don't think it's anyone's business unless it's my partner, so I'm not sure.
06:22:36.640
Because I think my brother really likes her podcast, and I'm worried he's watching, so
06:22:48.000
Would you, um, Chloe, would you get with Shia LaBeouf?
06:23:39.680
No, only because I don't want my son to grow up one day and then watch me hear me say that.
06:23:47.900
Everything on the internet stays there forever.
06:23:49.920
And, I mean, I kind of will tell my partner, but...
06:23:56.480
Last time I was on, you showed a video of some girl who, like, bows down to her husband
06:24:00.820
and you were like, that's how everyone should treat their husband.
06:24:12.320
Let's do a window tab for the bow video is fine.
06:24:43.560
This is what a girl, a good girl is going to have your dinner, some food ready after
06:24:56.620
I dumped her, though, because, I mean, if you know, her eyes are crazy.
06:25:02.280
Yeah, at the very end, it came up with some words.
06:25:12.680
Oh, does your girlfriend bow down to you every day?
06:25:15.960
Oh, I didn't specify my relationship status, but...
06:25:21.100
I can't remember the exact context, but you definitely did.
06:25:24.360
I don't disclose my relationship status on the show.
06:25:26.860
If I did have a girlfriend, trust me, she would.
06:25:36.300
You just talked about how it was uncomfortable with girls with big butts.
06:26:02.160
Give me eight cups, no butt, and a giant labia.
06:26:06.280
Or wait, eight cups, no butt, and a giant labia.
06:26:12.980
Oh, really quick on the plastic surgery thing we were talking about before.
06:26:15.380
I would prefer a girl with eight cups than perfect fake titties.
06:26:20.360
I would prefer a girl with a little belly fat than the lipo belly.
06:26:25.480
I'd prefer a girl with no upper lip than with the weird lip filler thing.
06:26:36.880
So the only thing wrong here is my body count and what I do for a living.
06:27:02.280
Oh, and, oh, flat butt over BBL all day, every day.
06:27:12.680
I mean, I'm all for, like, I don't think that you can get surgery if you want, but some of
06:27:22.340
I mean, I agree, but if you already had a big butt, like my friend Taylor, she has a freaking
06:27:52.240
Yeah, more, okay, butt guy over boob guy, I guess.
06:27:55.400
All right, let me let some chats come through before we get into more of the questionnaire.
06:28:09.280
Guys, if you're watching, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
06:28:21.800
Can you guys test it out and maybe check in the chat?
06:28:37.360
We have Bass Thor, Chair 3, and his example of why.
06:28:46.440
Chair 3 is an example of why 304 math should be a subject taught in schools nowadays.
06:28:53.100
On behalf of Desert Joe and I, you can keep her where she belongs, to the streets and not anywhere here in Arizona.
06:29:15.080
Some video game companies are now utilizing AI for their game creation, which has sped up the creation process immensely.
06:29:22.660
AI is steadily replacing a lot of things in many industries.
06:29:26.160
They should use AI for all these TV shows that now take two years between seasons.
06:29:36.700
Lost, which they filmed on location in Hawaii with like a mega cast.
06:29:43.300
They pumped out 24 fucking episodes or some shit per year.
06:29:49.620
Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, eight fucking episodes.
06:29:53.720
You're giving me eight dog shit fucking episodes in two years?
06:30:04.440
These girls don't know about House of the Dragon.
06:30:13.780
Black man, white man, or grizzly bear lost in the woods.
06:30:19.100
To add what racial preference would you prefer your husband, ladies, honesty?
06:30:25.620
Okay, raise your hand if you want to marry a white...
06:31:30.400
I would like to work for them, so if you guys are watching...
06:31:36.560
Like, for those of you who picked Bear, which was you...
06:31:46.560
I'm like recording this decision now to choose Bear.
06:32:00.160
So, I'll just break down my arguments super quick on this.
06:32:02.840
So, I think if a woman picks Bear over man, that's a sexist position.
06:32:08.400
Because there's some implication there that men are...
06:32:12.840
There's so many men, there's this overestimation that men are dangerous or predatory.
06:32:20.560
When the reality is the majority of men would never even think of harming somebody in this way.
06:32:25.460
And I think about, well, okay, if we change it to make it racial...
06:32:29.660
So, if the question then becomes, you know, instead of man versus bear, it's minority group versus bear.
06:32:39.020
And then you pick the bear over the minority group, I think that that would be racist.
06:32:44.360
So, then too, it must be sexist to pick bear over man.
06:32:55.100
I think, in my head, I think it comes through, like, experience.
06:32:59.720
And obviously, like, I don't think every guy is bad.
06:33:07.140
I think with my experience, I chose a lot of bad guys.
06:33:10.540
And so, now my initial response and, like, thought process is, like, if I were to encounter something like that alone, that's where my head goes.
06:33:20.440
But not necessarily saying that that's actually, like, realistic.
06:33:31.440
You not only fake your body, but you fake your voice, too.
06:33:34.860
Do you remember what it's like to be you anymore?
06:33:45.420
Don't, hey, don't come for my homegirl, Audrey.
06:33:50.140
Can I talk about something about being fat real quick?
06:33:56.100
I am 23 and this big, and that's why I'm also here is because I also want to tell other fat people it is a very big deal to be this big at this age.
06:34:07.560
Like, I promote that it's not a healthy lifestyle.
06:34:10.960
It's literally, like, the same thing as being an alcoholic or an addict.
06:34:15.740
It's even worse, in my opinion, because it's the hardest thing to stop doing because you have to eat every single day.
06:34:22.040
You have to make that decision every single day.
06:34:24.260
And I wouldn't wish the food noise and the problem I have in my head on anyone else.
06:34:29.080
Like, if you're not, if you don't understand, you're lucky you don't understand.
06:34:32.260
As a fellow fat person, I feel specifically, I feel like I agree with you.
06:34:49.280
In your opinion, you think that you're on the fat team.
06:35:04.700
No, but I just feel like it's, like, even to say that comment, it's, like, who cares?
06:35:18.560
It's, like, the only opinion you should have is if you want to date me or not.
06:35:22.200
That's the only, like, it shouldn't matter that I'm fat to you if you don't know me,
06:35:25.280
if you're not my friend, if you're not my partner.
06:35:34.300
Like, because I feel like if I was deprived of pussy, then it's, like, fuck, I got to lose
06:35:39.860
But it's kind of you getting this, like, I'm not you.
06:35:44.860
I'm, like, well, I'm getting pussy, so I'm kind of good.
06:35:53.220
See, that's why I never lost weight, because the only reason I started losing weight was
06:35:56.820
for my health, and, like, I should have prioritized that a long time ago, but also in that relationship,
06:36:02.240
I was in a, he wanted me to be big, because he didn't want me to.
06:36:07.560
There is feederism, and that's, like, there's even death feederism that people are addicted
06:36:14.380
I've been in relationships where these men, they.
06:36:18.060
Yeah, not only that, but they use the fact that we have this issue, because it is an issue.
06:36:22.220
It's a thing that, it's an actual issue, and people who have never been plus-sized, they don't
06:36:25.640
understand, and I hate when people are like, oh, we'll just lose weight.
06:36:29.820
Like, it's so much deeper, and it's so much rude.
06:36:34.360
It's a thing that I really can't, it's the one thing in my life that I don't have control
06:36:41.380
I have all these things that I have good, besides this one thing in my life, and it sucks
06:36:45.160
that in life, this taints me so many points, and I'm aware of that.
06:36:52.080
And I'm, I'm a fucking 10, but I also know in the real life that I'm fucking tainted because
06:37:08.440
My mom is disabled because she was big, and her knees are completely blown out.
06:37:21.300
It's like, I am so aware, and I'm still doing this.
06:37:23.680
Like, so people act like people are not aware, and these fat people are walking around, and
06:37:27.020
all they do is they're lazy, and they don't, it's crazy.
06:37:31.900
It's like, when I go to McDonald's, I'm, instead of getting a small meal, I get a large.
06:37:35.080
That's the only thing that's different between us.
06:37:40.240
I just have bad decision-making when it comes to food, and I'm very aware of that.
06:37:50.540
Sometimes you just want the 10 piece, not the 6, you know what I mean?
06:38:03.380
I literally haven't eaten at all today, which was a bad decision.
06:38:18.520
Yet, many women will still choose travel to other countries with high crime rates and missing
06:38:33.360
For me personally, I encountered black bears in the wild, so I don't...
06:38:38.240
I think of bears as something dangerous, so that's why I picked the bear, so...
06:38:42.160
I picked it because apparently I'm just fucking stupid.
06:39:01.040
How many men have you ran into in their life, and how many have harmed you?
06:39:35.420
I don't even care if he does anything at that point.
06:39:41.080
Like, I would rather be in danger with the guy on that end.
06:39:52.700
You just pee on yourself and then the pain goes away.
06:40:16.400
The problem with modern dating is women nowadays take off all their clothes and still can't find love.
06:40:45.880
I literally have my titties done and that's it.
06:40:56.700
They're just jealous that they don't look at you.
06:41:13.960
How about a random man going for a hike to go for mental health to help him before his last chance?
06:41:19.780
Now imagine men hearing this from women's first thoughts.
06:42:03.080
Would have thought you would move up in Amazon after you and Augie got promoted to Central after being PAs for flats.
06:42:12.800
I moved up in Amazon to corporate before I quit reviews.
06:42:25.960
Keep slaying the bad logic like you would a hummingbird.
06:42:29.500
Regarding weight, the thing that finally worked for me was keto.
06:42:47.020
I still have your little thing set up, by the way.
06:42:50.480
Not at the 69 threshold, but I do appreciate it.
06:43:13.740
Plus, didn't he suck off those two execs to get where he is now anyway?
06:43:20.260
Man, how are you going to throw Matt Reif on the bus when he put you on?
06:43:28.360
My fan bought me front row tickets and was like, I want you to give your signed DVD.
06:43:33.840
It was my first DVD I ever had out to Matt Reif as a gift.
06:43:37.480
And I took my neighbor, who was a virgin, and he actually talked to her most of the time.
06:43:41.860
It was like 15 minutes he talked to her, because my next door neighbor is this 27-year-old virgin.
06:43:50.200
And the interaction with me was like three minutes.
06:44:01.520
You got to put a little respect on Matt Reif's name.
06:44:13.520
He did say some shit about that, and I had to check him, you know?
06:44:16.720
I get frustrated because I've been doing this since I was 22, and they've casted me as a MILF since I first started.
06:44:24.500
And they're like, oh, because you're either too big to be a teenager.
06:44:39.780
Where they're like, actually, just don't give her lines.
06:44:44.860
I was an alcoholic for years and had to be put in rehab involuntarily.
06:44:48.100
It's hard, but there's life beyond what you're doing to yourself, and sometimes it takes someone outside to finally say something to you for there to be finally a change.
06:44:59.800
Even when a fat person says, this is what I'm doing, this is my fault, even you want to still say something.
06:45:07.400
I'm the only one putting the food in my fucking mouth.
06:45:13.300
Like, when I was in high school, I was very addicted to, like, Molly and other stuff like that.
06:45:17.440
And that was easy because you just don't buy it.
06:45:20.720
Like, this is every single day I have to work on it.
06:45:27.000
Like, America hates fat people but then literally does everything to make them fat.
06:45:54.020
Especially since you probably had amazing C-cups before you went all fake.
06:46:15.700
I have a cousin who struggled with her weight since she was a child and reached 280 pounds
06:46:23.100
She tried Ozempic and after some months she is now around 130 pounds.
06:46:30.420
I don't want to do Ozempic because of the effects it has.
06:46:33.540
Same thing where I don't want to do weight loss surgery.
06:46:50.940
Would they forfeit their lives so any man could still live?
06:47:35.000
We do a segment called Everybody Takes Off Their Makeup.
06:47:58.300
I feel like, oh, trans woman's a woman, and I don't think that means they're gay.
06:48:01.560
And I think a lot of people who date trans women don't think they're gay.
06:48:11.420
That's why I'm saying they're fully done, and they're like...
06:48:15.420
Because their brain is a man, and their vagina's fake.
06:48:19.320
They are a man, so their chromosomes are XY, and you can't change that.
06:48:29.140
Like, you might think it's a man, it's a man, but when...
06:48:57.500
Like, those things are not okay, in my opinion.
06:48:59.300
I think that is just ridiculous to be teaching them so young.
06:49:03.380
I have a friend who, before all this stuff was out there, she...
06:49:09.060
Like, one summer, she just left and then came back, and she came as a boy.
06:49:13.780
Like, she didn't even know all these things back then, you know what I mean?
06:49:25.600
Still a mental illness, but the contagion is now spread through social media.
06:49:30.820
That's a debate I don't really want to get into, but...
06:49:37.780
Sorry if anyone is against this, but if, like, people think of themselves as, like,
06:49:42.780
animals, like, they think they're, like, a cat or whatever.
06:49:47.620
But when it comes to, like, different genders, I don't think so.
06:49:57.900
Like, people calling how she's dressed up now, the Z-Zers, them.
06:50:00.980
Like, that stuff I don't play with, because that's, like, crazy.
06:50:05.480
But I do think being transgender is an actual medical thing that is...
06:50:18.060
I'm not going to allow people to police my language, because language reflects reality.
06:50:23.240
We talked about the importance of language and how we're co-creators.
06:50:26.460
I'm not going to allow people to dictate the language so that I live in a false reality.
06:50:45.440
I think you're allowed to feel however you want, but I also feel like I'm very big about
06:50:50.200
I think when it comes to, like, the whole children thing, how we're pushing on our children, that
06:50:54.720
But I also feel like there's two separate things.
06:50:56.820
Like, someone can be a transgender person, and that's a real thing.
06:51:00.000
But then there's opposite cases where there's kids, like, asking for surgeries to do all those
06:51:05.800
Like, I think there's two sides of it, you know?
06:51:08.180
Obviously, you have to be a certain age to fully come up with a decision, because you
06:51:12.160
can't be, like, five years old being like, I want to be a girl.
06:51:18.580
Yeah, but they're still blocking them to have puberty, and therefore totally altering
06:51:24.300
And often, because they go on hormone blockers before puberty, like, there's been cases where
06:51:29.560
They have all these long-term problems because of it, and so the fact that parents are even
06:51:35.840
able to abuse their children in the name of virtue signaling, piety signaling, look, I
06:51:40.860
have a trans child, and what are the chances that one woman has three trans children?
06:51:45.440
Well, clearly, this is all being orchestrated, and that this is a social contagion, and we're
06:51:51.860
And the fact that people are okay with young people getting hormone blockers and not going
06:51:57.240
through puberty and allowing them, because how many, I mean, everybody, when they're
06:52:00.840
young, has weird ideas and can be incredibly influenced.
06:52:05.200
Just because a boy plays with something that's the color pink does not mean that they're signaling
06:52:12.900
I feel like back then, like, when my friend in middle school, when they transitioned, it
06:52:17.320
was way more like, I feel like that was their decision.
06:52:19.780
They were feeling those thoughts and went to a doctor and went to a therapist because it's
06:52:23.640
not a thing nowadays that you go to a teacher and the teacher's like, well, nowadays,
06:52:26.400
it's like, the teacher's like, yes, you are this, and they confirm that.
06:52:30.300
And without them being like, maybe you should talk to your parents or this and that, they're
06:52:36.460
So I feel like I've seen it firsthand, like, where people actually, and he is still how he
06:52:45.700
You know, if they, I can't, I'm not in their body.
06:52:57.540
So actually, one of the pranks that I did, I was dressed up like this and I asked people,
06:53:03.300
And most people agreed that we shouldn't ban puberty blockers.
06:53:07.200
See, that's what I'm saying is the end of both spectrums.
06:53:12.160
I don't think kids, like, doing that stuff very young, because there's lots of detransitioner
06:53:16.800
people and, like, people who regret it in the future, I think.
06:53:19.720
But I also believe that people who are transgender is a real thing, also, because I follow Blair
06:53:24.200
White, and I do see that she has the perspective of both sides, you know?
06:53:29.460
And she believes that this is a real thing that she is, and she also understands.
06:53:35.320
I'm trying to get, like, a whole trans community, and I love transgenders.
06:53:42.660
When you say against gay people, am I against homosexuality?
06:53:47.800
Okay, and then, so your day-to-day, like, are you judging gay people?
06:54:00.340
I'm saying, are you going to openly offend them?
06:54:10.980
I just, like, went through this crazy relationship with a gay guy.
06:54:22.280
I mean, he slid in my DMs, was like, you slay, bae.
06:54:29.480
He sounds like, he has, like, a higher-pitched voice than me, and just very feminine.
06:54:34.040
And, like, he made, like, you know, he just, he was obviously gay and, like, made himself seem like he was gay for a long time.
06:54:43.020
And then, literally, the other day, he confessed his love to me on the phone and asked me to be his girlfriend.
06:55:15.340
She just wants to talk, and I love that for her.
06:55:18.460
He was literally pretending to be gay to, like, hang out with me.
06:55:27.480
Do you strictly feel your ways about those things because of the Bible?
06:55:30.480
I mean, yeah, I believe God revealed himself through Scripture, absolutely.
06:55:33.540
So did you feel, like, this way through your whole life?
06:55:38.100
Did I always have an innate repulsion to see, like, gay men?
06:55:45.440
I mean, there's, like, multiple studies that heterosexual...
06:55:48.440
Like, heterosexual men, there's been multiple studies done on this regarding statistics and
06:55:53.360
the repulsive level that people feel when they see certain things.
06:55:57.120
And two men kissing, heterosexual men, find that one of the most repulsive images to look
06:56:05.500
Yeah, I was watching a thing that someone was saying how gay men, it's like they're more
06:56:09.680
repulsed by that than gay women, like, I feel like, and stuff like that.
06:56:12.720
There's something about men being gay that's, like, I feel, like, shamed on more than women
06:56:17.780
I'm more about, like, letting everyone love who they want to love.
06:56:30.580
To me, that's the point of relationship, like, long-term relationships.
06:56:34.360
I feel like you need, like, just a really, you know, flamboyantly gay, like, best friend.
06:56:43.400
But what is it about being gay that's so bad to you?
06:56:46.320
Like, what is it just the fact that it's in the Bible and they say, like, personally,
06:56:49.960
without the Bible aside, like, your personal opinion on that and why that is...
06:56:53.460
Well, my personal opinion is going to be informed by my personal beliefs.
06:57:05.320
Like, it can't reproduce life and the point of sex and why it's pleasurable.
06:57:09.000
I believe God made it that way for the production of life.
06:57:12.340
And so, again, it's just a basic violation of, like, what sex was intended for.
06:57:19.480
And the more that these perversions are normalized, it perverts all of our society.
06:57:24.560
I know the slippery slope is a logical fallacy, but if there ever is an example of a slippery
06:57:29.780
slope, homosexuality wasn't even legalized, gay marriage, until 2012, 2014, so the Obama
06:57:40.180
And now we're talking about hormone blockers for children?
06:57:44.100
But that's actually a real example where everybody said, hey, once we allow this redefining of what
06:57:48.640
marriage is, between a man and a woman for the production of children, we redefined it.
06:57:54.300
And they said, oh, well, we just want to get married.
06:57:56.100
Well, most gay people actually don't want to get married.
06:57:58.580
And what we see now is just a total slippery slope of perversion that has plagued Western
06:58:06.320
So what do you think of, like, gay people just being married?
06:58:08.980
I do, just for the sake of time, I do have to move it on.
06:58:12.340
But Lucy, you did also, for 23, wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they are
06:58:22.200
Okay, so for example, let's say I didn't want to date a transgender woman.
06:58:42.060
Okay, well, let me ask you, is a transgender woman a male?
06:58:45.760
See, I am, like, I am also about realistic, like, because even, like, Blair Wright says,
06:58:49.300
like, at the end of the day, like, her genetics, like, but I'm respectful.
06:58:52.580
Like, her, I'm going to call her her because that's how she wants to be portrayed.
06:59:02.780
Like, you're, you're, and I don't think it's okay.
06:59:04.660
You're asking your question, right, or if it's wrong for a straight man to go for a
06:59:09.660
No, well, is it wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they're trans?
06:59:31.420
But what if they have the surgery so that they don't have it?
06:59:34.200
Don't want to date somebody who's ever had a penis.
06:59:36.780
Because, like, if they tell you that, like, hey, like, you know, I'm transgender and you're
06:59:42.660
into that, like, why would you not go into that?
06:59:50.360
Like, obviously, they can't reproduce and they can't.
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That's why I didn't write yes because I understand it's not.
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I don't think it's transphobic to not want to date a transgender, even if you are transphobic.
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I don't have an irrational fear of trans people.
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I know, but in general, I just hate how, like, homophobia, transphobia, like, we create
07:00:10.400
this, society creates these words, which the etymology of it means an irrational fear.
07:00:14.880
I don't have an irrational fear of a gay person or a trans person.
07:00:19.320
I have a moral standard that I believe these things are wrong and they're deleterious to
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So they should just all hide and fake their feelings just for people who don't believe
07:00:31.620
If we lived in a better civilization, I don't think this would even come up as a major problem.
07:00:36.140
And are there people that were, you know, presenting themselves in other ways?
07:00:42.100
If you look into the history of temple prostitutes in various pagan societies, there would be
07:00:49.920
And then they would be a temple prostitute and they would present as a woman.
07:00:55.760
And then people want to say, yeah, but some people are born like androgynous.
07:01:01.760
The vast majority of us are not androgynous or hermaphrodites.
07:01:14.420
Well, I think it's incredibly transphobic if you're not willing to date trans people,
07:01:22.040
No, I think you must be, like, what's it called, bisexual if you want to date someone
07:01:37.180
Going around the table, what is a woman starting with you?
07:01:48.600
I'm not going to get, I just want to, I'm not going to get into it.
07:02:01.500
This question is very circular, and I don't want to.
07:02:11.260
I don't know, and I don't want to get into this.
07:02:13.560
Okay, I'm not debating with him about if it's a woman or not.
07:02:17.580
He is very edumacated, and I am not going to get into that with the big words.
07:02:26.980
Like, my brain doesn't even have the room to, like, sit it out.
07:02:54.140
But isn't it mind-bending that even you are, like, having aversion to answering that question?
07:03:01.920
But, like, also, I'm on their side of, like, I believe that there's people who feel that way, that they're trans.
07:03:07.800
So, I feel like answering this question, and I understand that this shouldn't even be a question.
07:03:13.080
Like, this is a question that I even have to think about or whatever because of people what they would say.
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I respect everyone, and I be whoever the fuck you want to be.
07:03:31.220
When you're born with a coochie and you can, like, give birth.
07:03:50.200
I think that it goes back to your DNA and the chromosomes, obviously, so you can't change that.
07:04:25.040
She's going to get thrown in prison if she dares say – what's it called?
07:04:34.520
What, you guys put people in jail way more than Canadians?
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I'm not going to let you get away with that one.
07:04:53.900
That's what they call the bottom surgery thing or whatever.
07:04:59.800
Well, I mean, if they turn it into a vagina, what else would you call it?
07:05:12.980
That's – it's – that would just be like skin from the – yeah.
07:05:26.460
Do they make like Philippian tubes when they do that?
07:05:45.780
So what's the difference between a man and a woman?
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A woman is anyone who doesn't identify as a man.
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If you don't identify as a man, then you're a woman.
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A woman is someone that was born as a biological female with reproductive organs and yeah.
07:06:35.520
Don't you feel though that the trans identity, like the idea that a man can become a trans woman, it diminishes the unique capacity of what you guys have?
07:06:44.000
Like you guys are able to do something that we as men cannot do and that's give birth and you have all these innate characteristics that men typically don't have.
07:06:52.140
And the fact that you're willing to redefine who you are as women to allow men to lump into your category totally diminishes the uniqueness of you.
07:07:03.160
And really you guys are just like flesh objects, right?
07:07:06.720
Because that's really what the trans – but that's what the trans woman is, right?
07:07:11.180
She doesn't even – he doesn't even have the capacity to live as a woman.
07:07:17.740
And yet by redefining it, you guys all diminish yourselves by going along with it.
07:07:22.840
But like what about people – because there's been cases where people are born with both like male and male parts.
07:07:28.580
That's why I brought up with androgyny and hermaphrodism.
07:07:33.220
You think there's like a massive – there'd be a whole country of people that just have both parts?
07:07:38.220
Well, no, but if they choose to be a girl, then you're going to be like, well, no, you're both.
07:07:44.640
So they may be born with like a small penis or something like that.
07:07:48.780
But their – whatever their chromosomes are, that's the way that they're going to then reconstruct their genitalia.
07:07:57.860
So it's not like every person who's born intersex just lives their life as intersex.
07:08:12.020
Guys, if you want $69 TTS, we're going to batch them a little bit just to get through some of the questionnaire.
07:08:25.280
Lucy, the statement is, women are the primary victims of war, not men, to which you agree.
07:09:01.280
Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
07:09:04.220
Did I say – the only thing is bodily autonomy, if they believe that and stuff, but everything
07:09:12.500
Did you believe in bodily autonomy in 2020 and 2021?
07:09:28.040
The point is there's been an obvious contradiction.
07:09:32.180
An obvious contradiction within the women that are typically pro-abortion because it's always
07:09:38.120
And then when it came down to 2020, 2021, all of a sudden the people who didn't want to
07:09:44.320
take these medical measures, they didn't have a choice in the matter.
07:09:50.040
So the same people – and typically the people that were in favor of abortion were typically
07:09:57.880
And the conservative communities typically were less in favor of getting it.
07:10:01.740
So my point is were you in favor – were you mad that people maybe didn't get it or
07:10:07.720
you saved my body, my choice, and my curiosity is does that mean that you also held that
07:10:14.980
No, I'm not like full-on just like pro-abortion.
07:10:18.540
I'm just more like the whole right of it to be taken away completely is more like for
07:10:26.620
And, you know, I feel like also people who have like – there's people who get abortions
07:10:34.720
But I also feel like that right should be allowed for them.
07:10:40.820
Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
07:10:44.200
You were saying – and I explained that that's the only thing and everything else.
07:10:50.560
And then you also circled that women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
07:10:58.300
Um, overall, I think that like as far as like wages and stuff go, I still think that if
07:11:06.300
you have like the same level of job, I feel like you're not going to pay as much.
07:11:09.560
Why – you guys are in the adult entertainment industry?
07:11:17.640
That industry, it's okay for there to be a wage gap in favor of women?
07:11:23.960
You would agree there is a wage gap though in the porn industry, corn industry.
07:11:35.380
But then gay men, don't they make even more than women?
07:11:39.960
Because I think even some straight people even do gay porn and make more money.
07:11:50.320
Although, Audrey, to your point though, as at least –
07:11:52.660
So the statement is women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
07:11:57.120
You could say and argue that as it relates to abortion, that this is a uniquely –
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you know, this is kind of uniquely something that women might want to have.
07:12:09.100
But I don't think it has anything to do with equal rights to men because men don't have any reproductive rights.
07:12:16.160
So I don't think it would be evidence of an inequality that exists between men and women.
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While it might be uniquely some exclusive right that women want to have, men don't possess a right.
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I don't think it can be viewed from the paradigm of unequal to men, if that makes sense.
07:12:41.480
Moving on though, just for the sake of time, Lindsay – Lindsay Lee, Matt Reif's girlfriend.
07:12:54.620
I think we already discussed that pretty in depth.
07:12:59.240
Well, just a really quick reiterate, like what's your main argument there?
07:13:03.040
Actually, I think there's pros and cons on both sides.
07:13:05.620
I think that women do have, you know, a sense of the pretty privilege.
07:13:09.960
And we do have our choice of the, you know, the men out there because more than likely they're just going to grab onto the opportunity to hook up.
07:13:20.720
I'm going to pull a Lindsay Lee, and I'm just going to bring this – I'm going to remove us from America.
07:13:31.840
Do you think men are more privileged in Ukraine than the women?
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I'm not familiar with their marriage laws or anything.
07:13:41.500
No, no, I'm not talking about like dating or marriage.
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Yeah, it could be – I suppose it could be – could do with privilege.
07:13:51.700
But are you familiar with the war going on in Ukraine?
07:14:00.640
So at the outbreak of the war, there was a martial law.
07:14:06.760
All the men between the ages of 18 to I believe it was either 60, 65, they had to remain in the country.
07:14:14.200
They were probably in short time going to be involved in some degree with the military.
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All the women, all the women, regardless of age, could leave the country.
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Since you like to zoom around the globe when it's convenient for you, I will do the same thing, as this is quite convenient for my argument.
07:14:32.280
I would say that women in Ukraine are more privileged because they're able to flee their country.
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Meanwhile, the men are drafted, and they oftentimes get abducted by these military police, and then they get pretty much a basic amount of training, and they get shipped off to the front line.
07:14:49.480
Well, like you said, it's our duty to produce children.
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Otherwise, they're not going to be able to produce.
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And then two, is there like a state mandate or like a draft for women to give birth?
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No, but you're asking about whether, you know, I think they're privileged.
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If you look at the experience of a lot of the men in that country, and you contrast it with the experience of the women, well, the women were able to flee Ukraine.
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Many of them injured in war, died in the war, soldiers.
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They could go to Stockholm, the United Kingdom.
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We had a girl on the show a couple months ago, Ukrainian woman.
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She's been kicking it in fucking Miami fucking dudes.
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And then her countrymen are literally dead in some trench in, I don't know, where the fuck in Ukraine.
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And if we're not around, you know, the male race, the whole entire race will just cease to exist, so...
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But, no, I mean, I wanted to be in the military.
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I think that women and men should both be drafted, so...
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Quite a few of you have objections to number 12, which is, starting with Audrey, wrong for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
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So, also, Jordan, wrong for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin women.
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I think it's wrong for a man to want, like, to judge someone for having a high body count if they have one, just because if they're a woman or whatever.
07:17:22.540
I feel like if someone has a high body count, they should not judge or date someone in that same category.
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But if you have, if a man is a virgin, and they're, I think that's okay to want someone who meets your same values or whatever.
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Let's say in this example, the guy's slept with 30 women.
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I think it's wrong if he judges, if he judges someone who wants, like, who has a bigger...
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He wouldn't date a woman who also has a body count of 30.
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But I'm saying he has a body count of 30, and he's judging someone else.
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I mean, I guess it's more, like, I think it's wrong, but I guess it's he can do it.
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He can do it, and he can have a preference, and obviously that's who he's going to date.
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But if he's more, like, talking shit about other women who have...
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Like, if he's talking shit about a woman who has a body count of 30, that's crazy because he has a body count of 30.
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Like, that's just not okay just because she's a woman.
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But if her, his end goal, and he wants a virgin or whatever for...
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That's who's going to go after, and I can't stop that or I can't judge that.
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Do you think it'd make logical sense for a man who's ready to get married to pursue a younger woman that has a lower body count for the purpose of rearing children and building a family?
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But I think it's more about judging someone for it.
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Like, he shouldn't be able to say anything about a woman having a high body count if he has one as well.
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So your contention is just he can't say bad things about other girls?
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I'm saying to judge someone off of something that literally you have as well.
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And then he's going to say this woman is something because of what he has done as well.
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That is double-sided and doesn't make sense to me.
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But I'm saying if he doesn't support his past and he wants to date a woman that's a virgin or whatever, I think that's okay.
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It's more about, like, shaming a past that he already did.
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Like, if he wants to move forward and wants to say this is not my life anymore and he wants to date someone who feels the same way as him, then that's okay.
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Like, he shouldn't – if he is the same thing, going through the same thing, you shouldn't be putting that on someone else just because she's a woman.
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But, I mean, if there's not shaming language associated, this is just something internal inside him.
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He's just like, I'd rather date a low body count woman or a virgin.
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Would you still think that that's objectionable or wrong?
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Like, if he feels that way, then why did he – why does he have a high body count?
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Like, why is he – I feel like if he feels that way morally and he feels that way about a woman, he should feel that way about himself.
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But to be on the opposite end of it and to have a high body count and then also saying, you can't do this, then that's just ridiculous.
07:20:31.900
So, let's say somebody was an alcoholic, must they be beholden – like, must they continue grabbing for the bottle, going for the bottle?
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You're saying that if people made previous mistakes and now they're trying to change, you're saying in a sense that they can't be critical of other people because he was once an alcoholic, so he can't be critical of other alcoholics?
07:20:57.540
Yeah, I understand that, but I just feel like it's hypocritical and I feel like maybe it's – in the way he says it, like if he's like, this was my lifestyle, I think he needs to be open and honest being like, yeah, I was a little – I did this and that and maybe you should – like, try to teach her, you know?
07:21:13.860
What if the determination is – his thought process is it's actually not – he doesn't think it's bad for him.
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Right, but you might say that that's hypocritical, but I'm more so looking at he's specifically – he just wants to date low body count or a woman who's a virgin, but he's made a determination.
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You would agree that we all want to get the best partner that we can get and in his determination – and I mean, it's – there is studies done on, you know, promiscuity and this sort of thing.
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And he's just like, the best partner for me would be somebody who has a low body count.
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Like, for example, you're overweight, but you don't want to date somebody who's overweight.
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Like, what is – okay, so your example is me being overweight and not wanting to date someone who's overweight.
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Like, I don't want to do that because of physical reasons, right?
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Maybe a guy doesn't want to date somebody who's – a girl who's fucked a lot of dudes.
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But what does that have to do with – like, that's just like a mental note.
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She doesn't – okay, so she's – that's what I'm saying.
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Like, it's not even – you don't know if it's real.
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You don't know what it is because they could be lying.
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Unless they have an STD, you don't know how many people they've slept with.
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So I don't understand why that number matters unless you, like, have to, like – once you hear, have to see every person that they have sex with.
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I don't understand, like, this whole deal with the number.
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And I think the whole fat thing is, like, those are separate issues.
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If her having sex with 30 people made her physically unable to have sex with him or something, like, it actually changed her labia and it turned BLM labia, then that would be a different thing.
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You would agree that people choose to date or not date people on other metrics besides just what is physically compatible.
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So in this case, while, you know, maybe the body count thing is a stretch as it relates to, like, physical compatibility, there's plenty of other components of body count that are valid.
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I mean, the STD thing, but you want to just grant that in this specific instance, well, okay, if there's no STDs.
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I think it's just a natural – it's just kind of a – there's an evolutionary and biological basis for men's revulsion to this.
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If you were dating someone and they – like how she was saying how they, like, she kept it a secret.
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Like, let's say you're dating her for a year and you love her.
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Best girlfriend, like wife, bought an engagement ring already.
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See, to me, like, you can have that opinion, but to me, that's insane.
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The lying is a – okay, that is such a – because – see, that's what I'm saying.
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Like, the body count shouldn't even be an issue that you have to lie about.
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If it's the day before our marriage and she tells me, by the way, Brian –
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You're canceling the wedding and flying your in-laws back to Hawaii.
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I think my family would understand if that happened.
07:24:43.540
In my stance, I feel like everyone's allowed to feel how they feel, like I've said, but I also feel –
07:24:47.480
Well, look, moving on to number five, men should pay on first dates.
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Everybody here, I think, circled, yes, men should pay on first dates, except maybe for Anastasia.
07:25:00.740
Like, if simply by virtue of you wanting a man to pay for the first date, this creates a double standard.
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You wouldn't pay for a first date because in order for you to want the man to pay for the first date, you can't pay for the first date.
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So why is it that you're allowed to have a desire for a man to do something that you're not willing to do yourself?
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Like, I wouldn't pay – I would pay for – I think it's whoever –
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Like, I think that is just a traditional thing, like how the man pays for the first date.
07:25:34.640
I think that's – do you think a man should pay for the first date?
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Well, for me, I was looking for a wife, so I dated very traditionally and dated traditional women.
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So I think it's just respectful, but I'm also about, like, 50-50.
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Like, once we start the second date, I'm paying for it.
07:25:50.280
No, I'm not about them paying for everything for me.
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I pay half – when I was in a relationship, he bought one dinner, I bought another dinner.
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I'm saying the first date, I think, especially if he asks you, he should pay.
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And I think if I ask them on a date, I should pay, I think.
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A man loves if, like – especially if they like you.
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You wouldn't think it's hot if a girl came to you and was like, I want to take you on
07:26:35.700
The way you worded it came off maybe a little –
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I'd prefer a little more feminine touch, but, like, yeah, I like it when women simp.
07:26:49.400
Yeah, I mean – but they don't do it is the thing.
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But I guess my main thing here with the whole, like, wrong for high body count man to prefer
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to date low body count virgin women, I don't think in order to desire a trait in someone
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Like, I don't think it's hypocritical, for example, for a woman who's broke to find a
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really wealthy guy attractive or want to date him.
07:27:27.360
A woman who is not a professional athlete, I don't think it's wrong for her to want and
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to date a professional athlete or to be attracted to professional athletes.
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A woman who is not a rapper, I don't think it's wrong for her to date a professional
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rapper or to be attracted to professional rapper.
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Like, any of these metrics – and women are constantly dating men that have traits that
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Whatever metric it is, women are always chasing after men that have things that they don't.
07:28:04.920
I don't think there's perfect symmetry in this regard.
07:28:07.860
But when it comes to, like, high body count, yeah, I don't see – I don't think men should
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be promiscuous, but I don't see an issue with them realizing that it happens to be the
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case that low body count or virgin women are going to be, like, optimal girlfriends or
07:28:26.820
Like, they're not – like, a woman who has a high body count isn't, like, automatically
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Because I feel like they also, just like the man who changed their life, like, they can
07:28:39.220
Yeah, I think you have to look at the totality of the person, but I don't think it would
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be wrong to have a leaning towards this particular preference.
07:28:47.140
And look, to be fair to your point, there are probably – there are virgin women or low
07:28:52.340
body count women that are fucking awful, and there are maybe women who have a bit of a
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Like, if a girl's like, this is the number, and you would stop talking to them.
07:29:11.620
Which, you're a dating pool, but you're – what's a number that you're like, whoa?
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I mean, I think once you get over 10, it's a bit of an eye raiser, over 20, then it's
07:29:27.020
But the preference – oh, excuse me, miss, who wouldn't reveal her body count?
07:29:36.580
Didn't you say, like, over 7 or – who said that?
07:29:41.580
Brian, but if a man who has a big body count has a virgin, isn't he makes her, what you
07:29:51.840
Look, but just to be clear, if a woman, in her own standards, she doesn't want to date
07:29:58.560
a guy with a high body count, I think that's fine.
07:30:01.580
Like, I don't have a double standard, like, oh, women have to accept men who have a high
07:30:11.040
But, I mean, if she – if a woman who is a virgin didn't want to date a guy who had
07:30:18.620
Well, I see what you're saying, but you kind of said if a woman slips with a man kind of
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And you automatically become, you know, more glimy, right?
07:30:37.120
Then you're kind of putting a good, pure girl for failure.
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Instead, technically – she may not care, right?
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But now she slept with a boy or the guy who had a high body count.
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So now she's in a category where her body count multiplied.
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And then if they didn't work out, now in your eyes or some other guys –
07:31:02.440
If she's made the calculus that she wants to be with this guy –
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I think that at the very least, if you're going to sleep with somebody,
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you have some intention of pursuing something long-term.
07:31:18.380
So in this case, from my worldview, if a man who has a high body count,
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I would hope that he's desirous of pursuing a long-term relationship –
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I would hope that he's desirous of pursuing a long-term relationship
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with this low body count woman or a virgin woman.
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If you're a high body count man and you just want to run through a bunch of chicks,
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I suppose you should probably do that with high body count women.
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But, I mean, I don't suppose it's even necessarily wrong if you're interested in casual sex.
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I think men would still prefer to deal with a low body count woman.
07:32:00.460
You really think that because I slept with him that I have more bodies now?
07:32:06.560
Because I slept with Young Gravy, like, you think because he probably has a high body count,
07:32:17.100
Yeah, well, I mean, certain types of dudes – it doesn't even necessarily mean – could –
07:32:21.820
like, the guy could be a virgin, but he could be grimy in other ways.
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Like, just his physical appearance could be kind of repulsive.
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Like, in the – not that he's physically unattractive, but, like, the Takashi 6ix9ine.
07:32:36.800
Like, if that dude was a virgin, but a girl fucked him, I'd be like, that's kind of – like, you know, the rainbow hair and shit.
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But – and it could also be, like – I don't know if they did drugs.
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Like, if a girl fucked, like, an addict or some shit, that's grimy.
07:32:54.800
Yeah, I'm talking about, like you said earlier, like, if a girl with a low body count has sex with a guy with a high body count,
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that makes a girl have more bodies from just sleeping with that one guy?
07:33:10.180
So, let's say a girl – and look, the ultimate – the most optimum thing would be for a girl who has the lowest body count or who's a virgin.
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But let's say a girl has slept with three men who were virgins, or she slept with one guy who's fucked a thousand women, and that dude's grimy.
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Her body count's one, right, versus the girl who slept with three male virgins.
07:33:36.880
And the calculus there is the girl – I think the better – perhaps the better bet is the girl who's got three bodies.
07:33:42.940
Because you think the girl has, like – now she has, like, hella girl bodies because he fucked other girls?
07:33:57.580
But how does that multiply? It's not like he's gay.
07:34:00.780
It's guy – it's bro math. Do you not understand, though?
07:34:04.720
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's not very, like, right.
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They don't want to be where another man has been, and plus you're transferring that bacteria and, like, everything from that person each time.
07:34:20.040
I think there's studies, too, that say that DNA from sexual intercourse, like, some pieces stay in women.
07:34:33.940
There's something – I think it might have to do where – I could be wrong on this.
07:34:41.460
If the woman gave birth or got – and I guess if she got an abortion, this too – if a woman got pregnant or gave birth to another man's son – wait, to another – not son, to another man's kid, part of his DNA stays in her.
07:35:00.260
Again, this might be – I don't know if this is true.
07:35:18.280
They have a degree in biology, and it makes no sense to me.
07:35:24.160
I could be totally off, but there could – I would need to look at it.
07:35:35.140
Wait, you said the first time I met you that you don't eat pussy because you –
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Why are you so invested in whether or not I eat pussy?
07:36:03.640
I have not gone down on a woman since the Bush administration.
07:36:12.380
But you have them do stuff to you, or you strictly have sex?
07:36:14.780
Does the house market crash just too hard on you?
07:36:30.300
But I also think that, like, you shouldn't be asking her to give you that if you're not
07:36:45.680
So, you just want to look at it like an exhibit?
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You don't want to – you don't want to put your tongue on it.
07:37:01.220
But, you know, but a girl can go and choke herself out on your –
07:37:41.140
I read, though, when I was very – like in 2008 –
07:37:47.400
But in 2008, I'm pretty sure I read an article that it causes throat cancer.
07:37:53.420
It causes – yeah, going down on women causes throat and face cancers.
07:38:15.180
I'm not going to talk about, like, what my wife and I do just for –
07:38:18.220
I'm willing to talk about my relationships and stuff like that, but –
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I promised her that I'm not going to bring up me.
07:38:30.280
Like, I'm not going to talk about anything sexual about what me and my wife do.
07:38:33.480
That was, like, the quietest you've been this whole episode, so.
07:38:35.940
I love that you respect your wife like that, everything.
07:38:39.040
But, yeah, I mean, as far as that goes, it's not even a deal breaker, like, if the girl doesn't want to do it.
07:38:47.020
It's not a deal breaker for me, but if she does it out of revenge, then that could be an issue.
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Like, she's like, oh, you won't do it, so I won't do it.
07:38:57.340
That's, like, a tit-for-tat thing, but there are women who genuinely don't enjoy giving head, and then under those circumstances, it's whatever.
07:39:13.900
No, I do have a preference for it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
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Like, if she just wasn't into that, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
07:39:28.180
Out of the 500, out of the 500, out of the 500, have you just answered that?
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Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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You just have a bad experience, and that's why.
07:39:49.480
I just saw that article, and then I just never really enjoyed it.
07:39:53.800
No, I meant receiving, because most of the time, it's like a deal breaker for guys.
07:40:00.960
But it's also, I mean, there's more to a relationship than just that, I guess.
07:40:06.640
Even if you were dating someone, like I'm dating a girl, and she's like, listen, I love you,
07:40:12.840
I love you, but we've got to get this started going.
07:40:19.780
The only scenario people ask me, I would do it for the perfect woman.
07:40:38.520
Um, what do you think about, um, consent, non-consent?
07:40:52.100
Like, I also wouldn't, like, if my girl wanted me to, like, rough her up,
07:40:56.340
I just wouldn't do it because it's a liability.
07:41:00.000
Well, I mean, that's a little different than roughing her up,
07:41:06.000
I mean, you can, like, pull her hair and, like, spank her and whatever,
07:41:11.840
I mean, rough sex, I don't know, like, the jackhammer shit,
07:41:38.380
why are you asking all these sexual questions, man?
07:42:00.560
previously, I talked about how I pass out during sex.
07:43:10.680
I'm going to let a few more come through, guys.
07:46:31.900
Like, consent, non-consent is, like, consensual.
07:47:04.280
and you're otherwise having a consensual encounter,
08:11:42.320
I can square, but I can only square if I'm writing it,
08:12:58.900
There are people who, like, walk in Vegas, you know,
08:13:10.700
Well, I think three of us are more, like, prostitutes, like,
08:13:20.920
We're going to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
08:13:25.820
Yeah, so one of the pranks I did that went absolutely viral,
08:13:31.940
and then it was picked up by, like, Sky News Australia,
08:13:35.040
Like, so I did street interviews on college campuses,
08:13:46.660
Yeah, so I asked, would you donate one of your testicles
08:13:49.840
to benefit trans men and help fight toxic masculinity?
08:13:57.440
but everyone took me seriously, like, it was so...
08:14:30.960
Since we're just asking a bunch of random questions,
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who here has been diagnosed with a mental illness?
08:15:03.800
But I will say, most of it has been trauma-induced.
08:15:20.800
And then when you're done, I want you guys to let me know,
08:15:53.280
Would you rather a girl with a low body count, but she has BPD,
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or a girl with a high body count, but she doesn't have PPD?
08:16:37.140
You have to see if it's, like, giving mugshot or not.
08:17:55.840
I've been kind of, like, giving you shit all night.
08:17:58.340
I actually think you look better without makeup.
08:18:36.380
This is why men should follow the black pill instead of the red pill.
08:18:41.000
You should definitely explore self-improvement, but the reality is either neither red pillers or feminists care about you.
08:19:28.480
Are you, like, Eminem or, like, Slim Shady or, like, Marshall Mathers?
08:20:03.720
That's who is what Gorlock sees when he looks in the mirror.
08:20:13.580
Respect to the women who took off their fake faces.
08:20:18.340
Respect to the women who took off their fake faces.
08:20:28.180
Can we get a plastic surgeon in here to take them titties out?
08:20:51.520
Because people normally would be just bombarding us right now.
08:20:55.040
But we've gotten like five once I pushed it down to $30.
08:21:28.800
I've had issues with Streamlabs working before, I guess.
08:21:41.380
If you want to do $30 super chats, so you're doing that through YouTube, $30 super chats.
08:21:49.160
And we'll read it via YouTube, because perhaps it is the case that Streamlabs is bugged, boys.
08:21:56.400
Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we get this wrapped up here?
08:22:02.820
I just want to say thank you to all the men that do support us, and also to the hosts for at least hearing all of our perspectives.
08:22:12.800
I'm kind of like sad that you guys didn't want to teach me how to score in other positions.
08:23:07.300
I think she looks more like, like, Emma Thurman from Pulp Fiction, like, with your haircut.
08:23:13.840
I actually dressed up like her for Halloween one year.
08:23:28.360
You know, like, how the Baroque paintings of royalty in, like, the 1600s, before, like,
08:23:47.860
You kind of look like you were royalty in the 1600s.
08:23:57.160
But not from, you know, there was, like, some very, like, Carpeggio.
08:24:05.680
Like, the, I don't know, maybe some, like, small principality in, like, Eastern Europe.
08:24:16.940
Okay, so I look like that, and I look like Eminem.
08:24:25.640
I remember going to shower, like, an Anglo-Saxon boy.
08:24:31.000
They, I, like, I thought it was going to be, like, something, like, mean.
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Because there was a lot of inbreeding among the royalty.
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But, you know what, does anybody see my vision?
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Like, she looks like, you know, put her in, like, a queen outfit or some shit.
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And she looks like she could be, like, but again, not like one of the major, not one
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of the major lineages when it comes to royalty.
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See, this would be, like, you know, we're talking, like, Yugoslavia or, you know, like
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For some reason, Chair Six's character reminds me of an 80s cartoon character.
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One, two, three, three, four, five, five, six, six, six, six, six, six, seven, seven.
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It said that somebody looks like an 80s cartoon character.
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Who lies more, girls with filters or guys with height in their Tinder bios?
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They'll be like, oh, I'm six foot, and then I see them in person, and they're like 5'3".
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I'm like, who thought you would get away with that?
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Okay, we have Pasty George here, and then we have Josie.
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Chair Five kind of looks like Jill Valentine from Resident Evil 3, nemesis on the PlayStation 1.
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In that game, she is a sometime akin to special forces and kills zombies.
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Chair Five looks like one of the fat sculptures that would have been made of the royalty in the 1600s.
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We're going to react to a clip, and we're wrapping.
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I sent the clip via private chat if you want to pull that up.
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Any final thoughts from anybody else before we wrap this?
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And also, I used to be such a big fan of your YouTube channel.
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But I'm saying that was like my thing back then.
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Well, I'm saying that as a joke based on what she said.
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Oh, I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity
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to give you a call to action before we watch the Patrice clip, and there's maybe a couple
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Would you guys consider stopping sex work tonight, right now, on the Whatever Podcast?
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Honestly, he made me want to not do OnlyFans anymore.
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But that's the thing is that you're asking me to put other people under financially.
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Who do you support, like, a Guatemalan family or something?
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But that's because he's doing meth or something.
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I said that he literally made me want to quit OnlyFans earlier when he was speaking because
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I think he's very well-spoken and I think he's the smartest person here.
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I want to thank the panelists for attending this podcast and to the host, Brian, and his
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I hope you have a good night over there in Canada land.
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Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
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Guys, it's been 59 minutes since we last had the Prime sub.
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Guys, just check if you have a Prime sub available.
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It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
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It's, you know, a couple dollars of support that if you've already have an Amazon Prime account, it's like, why not?
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Really appreciate all the support over there on Twitch, guys.
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Because Felicity's going to start a gaming channel.
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She's going to start playing World of Warcraft.
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But is there a way for you to open it in, like, a new window?
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I'm going to send it to him because then you can see...
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I need you guys to pay attention to what he says because this will change your life.
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If you didn't have a vagina, like, say it was a terrible train accident, right?
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And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die.
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How would you keep your man past you get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost the pussy in a train accident?
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And then you're going to leave it there temporarily.
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So going around the table, what do you do to keep your man?
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Like she said, there's other ways to please a man than just sex, but I just hope he stays with me through that.
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If you lost your vagine, you know, in a wreck or something.
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This is a platform for you to jumpstart your rap career.
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I mean, old me, yeah, would have done those things.
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I don't think I'd probably be single then, if that's only what a guy would want from me.
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Now, I've been getting pussy-beating the whole show, right?
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But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm gonna make myself worth more.
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But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
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I'm supposed to treat you special, but you're just a bunch of holes for yourself.
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No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come on in.
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Remember, put a little pepper on her pillow so when you put her face in it, she sneezes and her kitty will grip you like a gorilla fist.
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Since y'all know everything, what was 3-6 Mafia sipping on?
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Are those the guys that made that Stay High song?
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No, I know what song you're talking about, and I think that you might be correct.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who Super Chats, donates, and supports the show.
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We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
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Got a really good panel next Sunday, so be sure to tune in for that.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
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His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy.
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He's nervous, but on the surface, he looks calm and ready.