Whatever Podcast - 2 Male Feminists vs. Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas ｜ OF⧸S Worker DEBATE

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00:01:43.100 Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves and then we'll get right into

00:01:47.860 the debate. Thank you guys for joining us. Hey, thank you for having us. Long trip out,

00:01:52.640 long day. We're here. Yeah. This was a trek. This was a vacation. Well, you came from LA, right? Yes.

00:02:00.020 Far. So, Ryan Pauno, I do Pillow Talk. It's a podcast. I'm closer to the mic. Yeah, just a little bit.

00:02:06.340 That's close. Yeah. All right. All right. You got it. You're doing great. Okay. I'm from Canadian.

00:02:10.860 Canadian. I'm from Canada. I was born and raised in Ottawa, Ontario. Moved to Toronto, moved to LA. I do

00:02:16.380 Pillow Talk. That's my main gig. It's a show where we bring on a lot of adult stars. It's a comedy,

00:02:21.240 pro-sex, happy, fun, good time podcast. Got it. Okay. What about you? I'm Kirill. Full name,

00:02:29.980 Kirill was here. I'm just an internet degenerate. If you don't know who I am, just Google it. Slut

00:02:35.960 Whisperer on Instagram. Run a clothing brand, assholes live forever, and just kind of make

00:02:41.720 fun of people for a living. All right. That's about it. Okay. Andrew, what about you? Yeah,

00:02:47.200 my name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It is, to my knowledge, the fastest

00:02:50.680 growing debate channel on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, satirist, and bloodsport debater.

00:02:56.980 All right. Welcome, guys. So, I think where we're going to start here is, so, kind of some of the

00:03:02.220 topics for today. Ryan, you're essentially involved in the sex work industry. So, we're going to be

00:03:08.800 talking about, is sex work good for society? Is sex work good for sex workers? And should sex work

00:03:14.580 be legalized or illegal? But in addition to that, you did have some criticism specifically about the

00:03:20.180 whatever podcast. Yes. So, we'd totally be open to engage with those and hear your criticisms.

00:03:27.380 Yeah. So, what you got? Oh, could you just tilt your mic down just a little bit? Okay.

00:03:31.420 How would you improve the show? The hate on Brian Atlas stemmed from, I was hanging out with a girl.

00:03:38.740 It was our, we were on a date. Beautiful date. Good night. And then, I bring her over after.

00:03:43.800 And, you know, we're kissing, getting our smoochies on. And then, she starts freaking out. She gets a

00:03:49.700 text from her manager. It says, fuck, I got to do the whatever podcast tomorrow. The last time I left

00:03:55.140 crying. He's so mean to us. He literally screamed at us. There was five minutes left. And he's like,

00:04:00.580 you want to fucking leave? Get the fuck out. And, you know, we were there seven hours for him. We

00:04:04.600 drove four hours, you know, there and back till time. And then, he's just so mean to us. I don't

00:04:09.020 want to do it. But my manager says, because he gets views, it's good for my OnlyFans and for my

00:04:15.080 career. So, I have to go and start kind of tearing up. That's where it started. Because I saw your

00:04:20.860 clips. And I was like, you know, anyone doing what I do, shout out to them. But then, I thought,

00:04:24.880 whoa, whoa, whoa. This is baby girl that I, you know, I'm getting romantic. Wait, wait, wait. Hang on

00:04:29.640 here. Your fucking criticism is that you're a white knight, bro? What's that mean, white knight? You're

00:04:35.260 white knighting and simping for some porn skank? That's simping, simping. That's simping. No, I totally

00:04:41.780 disagree. She gave you, she gave you, she gave you the, he was mean. And you're like, oh, that son of a

00:04:46.360 bitch. You know why? Because she's a young girl. And I don't think we should hit women. I don't

00:04:50.720 think we should verbally abuse women. Especially not publicly. Kiss her ass. Kiss her ass. It says

00:04:57.020 a lot about how Andrew thinks of women. To respect them is simping for them. And I think that's

00:05:01.480 fucking disgusting, Andrew, to be honest. Oh, baby, I'm so sorry that that mean Brian Atlet. Did he make

00:05:06.880 you cry by a two-quad challenging your worldview, sweetheart? Oh, I'm so sorry. So, what I did

00:05:11.140 was, I messaged from her account. She said, so Brian asked for notes before. And I wrote

00:05:18.520 in from her account, hey, this is Ryan from Pillow Talk. I forget what I said, but like,

00:05:22.200 fuck you for making, you know, be nice, stop being mean to these fucking girls. So, that's

00:05:27.040 what I did. I went straight to the man and I, you know, handled it to be such. I watched

00:05:31.680 and you were nicer, Brian, which I was happy about. But then I watched that stream and then

00:05:37.200 one of the girls, her friend Aurora, this was Avery, her friend Aurora, who's very

00:05:41.480 young, I think she's 18, her phone started ringing when it got locked away and you like

00:05:46.540 lost shit and started screaming at her. And I said, fuck this guy. Anyone who screams

00:05:53.120 and verbally abuses women like that publicly, cute little 18-year-olds that just drove here

00:05:58.320 hours and sat through this just to support you and your show, you're screaming at them.

00:06:03.440 I just think that's terrible. Don't you sit on sets where they're getting fucked by 30-year-old

00:06:08.160 men in the mouth?

00:06:12.180 Yeah, that has nothing. Screaming at people.

00:06:14.900 But the concern is, you know what? I told you to silence your phone and you didn't, right?

00:06:20.260 That's too much. The dick in the mouth from the 30-year-old, totally acceptable.

00:06:24.120 Well, I mean, losing your cool at someone is definitely not cool.

00:06:28.840 Wait, I just want to make sure I got this right.

00:06:32.040 You have been on set, I've watched your content, where you say that you've watched these same

00:06:38.680 age women getting fucked in the mouth. Is that correct?

00:06:41.880 That is correct, Andrew.

00:06:42.900 Okay.

00:06:43.300 I support consensual sex work where it's their choice and they're happy to do it.

00:06:48.780 Just not consensual.

00:06:50.020 I don't consensual.

00:06:50.760 Just not consensual.

00:06:51.320 Just not consensual.

00:06:51.340 Just not consensual.

00:06:51.360 Put your phone in here and put it on vibrate so that you don't interrupt the show.

00:06:55.760 If you're comparing them doing their career versus a man screaming at 18-year-olds, it's

00:07:01.040 two different fucking bodies.

00:07:02.480 I mean, also, this isn't exactly like Jimmy Kimmel, right?

00:07:05.360 At the end of the day, if the phone goes off, people go, shit, I sneeze, I cough, there's

00:07:08.900 a fucking homeless guy playing music across the street, right?

00:07:11.320 If someone fucks up, you don't need to yell at them, right?

00:07:15.160 You could just be like, not a dick, right?

00:07:17.320 If I'm getting a cock in my mouth, it's my choice.

00:07:19.800 If I'm hanging out and you start yelling at me, I'm going to be like, bro, I don't need

00:07:22.460 this.

00:07:22.740 Like, you're a fucking loser.

00:07:24.400 Like, why you got to communicate via yelling?

00:07:26.360 I just want to make sure that I'm crystal clear on it.

00:07:28.480 Yeah, it's okay.

00:07:29.160 Before I move to your next criticism.

00:07:30.320 I mean, you know.

00:07:31.740 Cock from random stranger, 18-year-old mouth, fine.

00:07:36.360 Brian gets a little loud because she has to go get her phone, that bad.

00:07:40.900 Yes, yes.

00:07:41.320 I want to make sure that we're clear on that.

00:07:42.500 We're very clear on that, yeah.

00:07:44.040 No, you know what?

00:07:44.660 It's not that specific thing.

00:07:46.580 It's just abusing physically or verbally women, I don't stand.

00:07:50.980 Yeah, I don't think that what you do for a living can be really...

00:07:55.980 Well, so he yells at women for a living.

00:07:57.840 And I don't like that.

00:07:59.940 Go yell at men.

00:08:00.980 I've never seen you guys yell at men.

00:08:02.760 Yeah, which is crazy because we came in here and you're a very nice guy.

00:08:05.640 Yeah, you're nice.

00:08:06.180 So to see you lose your cool, I don't know if you're playing it up for the show or did

00:08:09.960 you really lose your cool?

00:08:10.880 I'm curious.

00:08:12.140 Well, so first off, I think you are to some degree mischaracterized it.

00:08:15.580 Mischaracterizing the interaction that I specifically had with Aurora.

00:08:20.140 Granted, we have two episodes a week that are eight hours long.

00:08:23.940 I don't commit to memory precisely every interaction I have.

00:08:27.820 Although I'd be happy to actually pull it up and review it without fully knowing exactly

00:08:32.820 committed to memory how that interaction went.

00:08:35.660 And it could have been the case that her phone went off three times during the show, if

00:08:41.440 I recall.

00:08:43.540 So yes, it would have been frustrating.

00:08:46.220 Just the back.

00:08:47.060 But this characterization...

00:08:48.180 That's fucked up.

00:08:49.020 I don't even think joking about it is funny.

00:08:51.580 Oh God, it's too much.

00:08:52.960 Just the way I was raised was to respect women.

00:08:55.000 Did you gallop up here with a white horse?

00:08:55.860 Oh, there's a difference.

00:08:56.860 Did you gallop up on a white horse?

00:08:58.120 Is your white horse out there?

00:08:59.540 Do you have it hooked?

00:09:00.480 That's how you look at men that respect women.

00:09:02.520 Total white knight bullshit.

00:09:03.440 Women are equal to men, right?

00:09:07.940 Oh, okay, great.

00:09:09.220 Unless we talk to them like they're men.

00:09:11.520 That's too much.

00:09:13.020 That's too much.

00:09:13.860 You guys don't talk to them like they're men.

00:09:15.500 If you started yelling at me, I'd be like, yo, fuck out of here.

00:09:19.100 I'm not getting paid for this.

00:09:20.680 This isn't my job.

00:09:21.700 I came here to hang.

00:09:23.380 And if you're going to lose your cool in me, I'm like, dude, I don't need you.

00:09:26.900 Yeah, but if you're going to have adversarial conversations, which is how the show is pitched,

00:09:31.920 they're going to get heated.

00:09:32.780 And I told Brian straight up, I said, I thought you were meaner than you were when I made that video saying, fuck Brian.

00:09:38.580 I thought he would say, like, you're a whore.

00:09:40.500 You're never going to get married.

00:09:41.200 That's not true.

00:09:42.160 He asked questions to set them up for viral clips to make them look stupid.

00:09:45.980 So it's different.

00:09:46.900 So that's why I said, you know what?

00:09:48.060 We're not going to go personal job.

00:09:49.220 At the end of the day, this is a business.

00:09:50.460 Hang on.

00:09:50.760 Let me correct a couple things, though.

00:09:53.740 Absolutely, 100%, do not set women up to say stupid things.

00:09:58.100 I don't even know the questions when I come in.

00:10:00.220 No idea.

00:10:00.700 They just say stupid things because a lot of these women are fucking stupid.

00:10:07.500 Now, I just want to make sure that we're crystal clear.

00:10:10.080 You understand what I'm saying?

00:10:11.620 A lot of the women who come in, they're not set up.

00:10:14.320 They just say really fucking stupid shit.

00:10:17.540 Right.

00:10:17.840 I mean, if you did the show with men, it would be the same thing.

00:10:19.900 As men do.

00:10:20.240 Look at us right now.

00:10:21.140 Absolutely.

00:10:21.780 A lot of people say stupid shit.

00:10:23.340 Right.

00:10:23.780 Yeah.

00:10:24.060 So when you characterize it as a setup, right, there's no setup.

00:10:28.420 They just say fucking stupid shit.

00:10:31.120 Now, it's hilarious to clip it and put it out there because they said something fucking stupid.

00:10:35.580 Every bit as much as it would be for any man.

00:10:38.620 Yeah.

00:10:38.740 I mean, at the end of the day, they're not interviewing smart girls, right?

00:10:41.100 Because then that wouldn't go viral.

00:10:42.240 I mean, I'm sorry, they have degrees in psychology, they have degrees in mathematics, they have university master's degrees.

00:10:49.900 Many of these women come in, can't wait to do a debate, and they say the stupidest shit on planet Earth.

00:10:55.200 Who could we get who would be up to the standards that you would have of an intelligent woman?

00:11:01.620 What would we need besides a master's degree, high education?

00:11:05.440 Like what?

00:11:05.920 What do you want us to do?

00:11:07.220 Go get a fucking scientist?

00:11:08.600 Like what do you want us to go get?

00:11:09.820 Like what women can we find that aren't going to say this retarded shit?

00:11:13.620 That's what I want to know.

00:11:14.660 And that's where I think that now that I've actually talked to you guys for about an hour, I don't think Brian disrespects women.

00:11:20.960 I don't.

00:11:21.660 Andrew, I'm not sure yet.

00:11:22.760 Not enough.

00:11:23.380 I think if your show, if you saw the value in doing an eight-hour show promoting them, you would have gone the complete other way.

00:11:30.040 You're going where the bag is.

00:11:31.300 So I don't think you hate them, and I don't think you want to disrespect them.

00:11:34.820 I don't think you sleep better at night knowing I really stuck it to that girl.

00:11:37.720 Andrew.

00:11:38.260 I think you're the circus leader.

00:11:39.360 You're in a clown show.

00:11:40.420 That's literally what we all do.

00:11:41.740 That's what I do for a living.

00:11:42.800 That's what you do for a living.

00:11:43.720 You surround yourself by people who provide you interesting debate and conversation.

00:11:47.780 Because if you talk to fucking the same kind of people on your wavelength all day, like no one's tuning in.

00:11:53.000 They want to hear Howard Stern-esque conversations, right?

00:11:57.460 Giovanni.

00:11:57.780 Giovanni donated $100.

00:11:59.540 Yeah, thank you, Giovanni.

00:12:00.240 I respect Huam and built his living around exploiting 18-year-old women in a evil and destructive industry.

00:12:06.140 No, I'm kidding.

00:12:06.860 Is that for me or you?

00:12:07.720 I would be hard-pressed to find a duo of creeps who values women less than you two.

00:12:11.460 Is that at you guys?

00:12:12.580 No, that's at you.

00:12:13.580 Oh, nice.

00:12:14.240 Built his living around.

00:12:14.920 Hold on.

00:12:16.040 Yo, Giovanni.

00:12:16.820 Thank you, man.

00:12:16.900 First of all, it's not cool that you have your little fanboys coming in and chiming in.

00:12:21.200 Why not?

00:12:21.920 Because we don't have that privilege.

00:12:23.400 Now you guys have an advantage.

00:12:26.340 Call a friend.

00:12:27.280 Your fanboys can chime in right now.

00:12:29.500 I didn't promote the show.

00:12:30.680 Oh, well, whose fault is that?

00:12:32.300 I sent you the link.

00:12:33.240 He told you before the show.

00:12:34.560 In fact, before the show, you said, depending on my performance on the show, I'm reluctant

00:12:40.880 to actually promote it.

00:12:43.380 Yeah, because we're the dumb bitches here.

00:12:45.140 Yeah, we don't know.

00:12:46.080 We're not debaters.

00:12:46.940 I've never done this.

00:12:47.680 He's a professional.

00:12:48.460 What did you say?

00:12:48.900 Fastest growing debater in the world?

00:12:50.300 Yeah.

00:12:50.460 We don't know what we're walking into.

00:12:51.440 For all I know, you prepped the fucking, you prepped Biden for his last debate.

00:12:56.120 Well, so let's go back to the-

00:12:57.740 Then I would not take that as a mark of success if I had prepped Biden first, last debate.

00:13:02.900 I just want to let you know that.

00:13:03.960 That would not be, yeah.

00:13:05.940 That was the joke.

00:13:06.340 That was the joke.

00:13:06.960 Yeah, I'd be pretty ashamed of myself for that one.

00:13:08.700 Well, I mean, so let's go back to the original claim.

00:13:10.760 So you originally said, there's this girl, cell phone went off.

00:13:14.520 I yelled at her.

00:13:15.700 Nick, if you can find the clip, I might have-

00:13:18.800 Were you there?

00:13:19.140 I'll concede that I, so I'll certainly concede that I get frustrated on the show because

00:13:24.420 a lot of these people are not media trained, camera trained, et cetera.

00:13:27.660 Grid One Motorsports donated $100 and one cent.

00:13:32.100 About to start my show, but she ate these dudes.

00:13:36.240 Bro, you ain't got a white knight so hard.

00:13:38.860 The women do that for you on stage on demand.

00:13:41.840 These women are the definition of mental midgets.

00:13:45.580 All right.

00:13:46.180 Thank you, Grid One.

00:13:46.560 Through midgets under the bus.

00:13:47.400 There you go.

00:13:47.900 That's crazy.

00:13:48.740 But he should have used dwarves.

00:13:49.940 You're right.

00:13:50.420 First of all, the M word is as bad now as the M word.

00:13:56.360 It's little people.

00:13:56.840 In fact, you had a little person.

00:13:59.400 You know what?

00:13:59.960 I think, I thought dwarf was still valid.

00:14:02.780 Dwarf is actually a category.

00:14:03.900 That's what they want to be called.

00:14:04.780 It's under a certain height.

00:14:05.360 I thought they preferred dwarf.

00:14:06.900 I don't like the word dwarf.

00:14:07.420 They like little person.

00:14:08.480 Little people.

00:14:08.580 Because it sounds mythical.

00:14:10.280 Yeah.

00:14:10.480 Dwarf is the old one.

00:14:11.340 You're right.

00:14:11.960 But they have beards.

00:14:12.920 But now I believe.

00:14:13.600 Then they look mythical.

00:14:14.180 Don't call me.

00:14:14.760 I think dwarf is a smaller one now.

00:14:17.800 I believe it's under 3.8 perhaps.

00:14:19.560 I'm not sure.

00:14:20.440 I think.

00:14:20.840 Little person was like, M word, not cool.

00:14:23.280 Disregard that guy's claims he's using slurs.

00:14:26.300 He's going to get canceled.

00:14:27.740 Grid One.

00:14:28.080 You are not helping our story.

00:14:29.140 You're going to get canceled.

00:14:31.300 Don't use the M word.

00:14:32.380 I'm like, ah.

00:14:33.480 That is the euphemism treadmill, though.

00:14:35.340 So, I guess midget used to be acceptable.

00:14:38.720 Now it's not.

00:14:39.400 Dwarf was acceptable.

00:14:40.620 Now it's, eh.

00:14:41.980 I don't know where Dwarf is.

00:14:42.960 Now it's a little person.

00:14:43.980 Yes.

00:14:44.240 So, in any case, going back to the criticisms, I don't think, when you say, like, I yelled

00:14:48.680 and screamed at her.

00:14:49.920 I mean, you guys are kind of almost yelling and screaming at us.

00:14:52.880 I have a pretty soft-spoken voice.

00:14:54.660 I'm just a little.

00:14:55.200 You do.

00:14:56.100 That's how I be.

00:14:57.180 I have ADHD.

00:14:58.140 No, I'm not upset by it.

00:14:58.880 I have every letter in the book.

00:14:59.820 I'm not upset by it.

00:15:00.720 But I might, you know, increase my volume a little bit and might be a bit frustrated.

00:15:05.440 But at least when it came to her phone specifically, I don't think I was verbally abusive to her

00:15:10.900 when it came to her phone.

00:15:12.220 Wait, question for you.

00:15:12.940 Go ahead.

00:15:13.180 That guy paid $9 to write that comment and he called us fucking soy boys?

00:15:17.260 No, no.

00:15:17.880 He paid $100.

00:15:18.600 $100 to write that and I'm the loser?

00:15:21.480 I love it.

00:15:23.060 I'm going to start paying in a second for our team on the side.

00:15:26.220 These two guys are really good debaters.

00:15:27.700 And make your bad boys.

00:15:32.240 But we are in the studio debating.

00:15:33.740 Just saying.

00:15:34.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:34.920 We're here.

00:15:35.340 We're happy to be here.

00:15:36.900 So I guess going back to the criticisms, you use the term verbal abuse.

00:15:40.780 So what, how do you consider verbal, what do you consider verbal abuse?

00:15:45.860 Like if they're on the set and they're like, take it, bitch.

00:15:47.980 Is that verbal abuse?

00:15:49.400 Take it, bitch?

00:15:50.080 Yeah.

00:15:51.140 Yeah.

00:15:51.560 If you're, if they're like shooting a porn.

00:15:52.560 Oh, you're doing it while they're fucking.

00:15:53.900 Yeah.

00:15:54.520 Yeah.

00:15:54.980 No, no.

00:15:55.620 You see.

00:15:56.040 Okay.

00:15:56.180 So just so you know, Andrew, is that, is that verbal abuse?

00:16:00.120 No, no.

00:16:00.500 But when they're shooting porn, how it works, just so you know, is it's very safe, happy

00:16:05.400 environment where you go over what they want, what they don't want, the nose, safe words,

00:16:09.380 all this and that.

00:16:10.140 And then there's always a director.

00:16:11.900 That's very nice of them.

00:16:13.140 Yeah.

00:16:13.460 So before they go and cream this fucking girl's face with eight guys and she's going to have

00:16:18.080 that video out for the rest of her life.

00:16:20.420 Before they do that, they want to make sure that they know her no, no words.

00:16:23.460 Yeah.

00:16:23.860 Got to make sure.

00:16:24.880 Oh, it's too much.

00:16:25.600 That's one dick too many.

00:16:26.840 Right.

00:16:27.680 They're there because they want to be there.

00:16:29.800 It's a safe environment.

00:16:30.980 It's their choice to be there.

00:16:32.000 And that's all that matters.

00:16:32.880 It's what they want to do.

00:16:34.020 And it's their choice.

00:16:34.460 I don't think that.

00:16:34.700 I mean, wanting eight dicks, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:16:36.680 I don't think that that's all that matters.

00:16:38.040 You shouldn't shit on someone.

00:16:38.980 I think that we basically outlaw all sorts of behavior that people want to do because it's

00:16:43.460 really fucking bad behavior.

00:16:45.900 And so you just, you know.

00:16:47.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.140 But do you have sex, Andrew?

00:16:48.980 Mm-hmm.

00:16:49.440 With who?

00:16:49.940 My wife.

00:16:50.800 You do?

00:16:51.100 You have sex with your wife?

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.160 No ring?

00:16:52.920 All right.

00:16:54.500 I have my ring.

00:16:55.800 Oh, you wear it on the neck.

00:16:56.760 Mm-hmm.

00:16:57.100 Good for you.

00:16:58.160 So, okay.

00:16:58.800 So you have sex with your wife.

00:17:00.360 Mm-hmm.

00:17:00.780 They're doing the same thing, Andrew.

00:17:02.240 They're having sex with their wife?

00:17:04.240 In most cases, there are a lot of married couples.

00:17:06.060 Did you have sex, premarital sex?

00:17:07.680 I'm just curious, dude.

00:17:08.560 I have.

00:17:08.820 Yeah.

00:17:09.080 Sure.

00:17:09.480 Is that like, because I, here's the thing.

00:17:12.000 I'm not religious in any way.

00:17:13.160 So do your beliefs in all this stem from a religious background or just like, do you just

00:17:17.880 personally look at it and go like, that's gross.

00:17:20.020 That shouldn't belong.

00:17:20.800 That is, so one, I would say it's sinful, but I would never be able to convince you guys

00:17:24.780 of that.

00:17:25.060 I wouldn't even bother trying.

00:17:26.580 Well, yeah.

00:17:27.000 But what I can look at is I can look at the societal damage and how fucking horrific it

00:17:30.840 is mentally on women to be involved in sex work and none of them end up with a good

00:17:34.640 result.

00:17:34.860 Well, why do you care about these people if they're nobodies?

00:17:37.740 Because this is the society I live in.

00:17:39.920 Right.

00:17:40.260 But I don't care about anyone.

00:17:41.380 Because here's what I would hope.

00:17:42.780 Here's what I would hope.

00:17:44.340 And I would never get it from you guys, right?

00:17:46.320 But here's what I would hope and wish more than anything.

00:17:48.800 That I'd be driving down the fucking road in my shitty car and the tire goes and bam,

00:17:54.060 I hit a rock and I'm fucking dead.

00:17:55.780 My daughters are orphaned, right?

00:17:57.500 And they're struggling and one of their friends goes, hey, you know what?

00:18:00.720 You can go to this shoot and suck a dick and they'll pay you 20 grand.

00:18:04.300 And she goes, you know what?

00:18:05.120 That sounds like easy money.

00:18:06.320 I wish to God before they walk in that studio, somebody like me would be like, no, don't do

00:18:11.740 that.

00:18:12.100 Do anything but that.

00:18:13.460 Work as a fucking barista.

00:18:15.360 Go do anything but this.

00:18:18.060 Right.

00:18:18.700 That's what I would hope.

00:18:19.960 But that's not the world we live in.

00:18:21.820 Look, I'm not going to debate you on that.

00:18:24.120 But if someone chooses to go into that, it's like, I mean, working at Starbucks is arguably

00:18:29.240 more degrading to your body than taking a cocks.

00:18:32.220 Yeah.

00:18:32.400 Why can't somebody choose to fuck a dead body?

00:18:34.860 Well, they can.

00:18:35.720 And do you have any moral qualms with that?

00:18:37.440 Nope.

00:18:37.660 Because the body's dead.

00:18:39.120 No one's getting hurt.

00:18:40.280 So it's fine.

00:18:40.980 Who's getting hurt?

00:18:41.760 So if they walk over and they grab roadkill off the road and start fucking it, you have

00:18:45.720 no moral objection to that.

00:18:48.260 None.

00:18:48.920 No.

00:18:49.180 Ulysses, the pagan donated $100.

00:18:51.580 Yeah.

00:18:52.580 Tone policing is controlling speech and opinions as an end run around to control modes of expression,

00:18:58.460 which is the means to control the narrative.

00:19:01.380 Control that and you control society.

00:19:04.100 Just stop.

00:19:05.000 I feel like I'm playing like fucking like Dungeons and Dragons.

00:19:07.400 I never know.

00:19:08.180 That sounded like a quest.

00:19:10.140 You know what I think beyond the issue of them choosing to do that is they do have a

00:19:15.340 lot of mental health issues when they do it.

00:19:16.960 Not all of them.

00:19:17.700 Doesn't have.

00:19:18.220 But they do.

00:19:18.660 A lot of people have mental health issues.

00:19:20.160 Don't you have mental health issues?

00:19:21.940 You believe in God.

00:19:23.360 That's not a mental health issue.

00:19:24.200 That's a mental health issue.

00:19:25.280 A thousand percent.

00:19:26.700 You exploit women making them into literal whores.

00:19:29.740 And you want to tone police me?

00:19:32.000 Dude.

00:19:32.860 You fail at life.

00:19:33.860 I want that hundred bucks.

00:19:34.480 Do better.

00:19:34.920 Because I just made them spend another hundred.

00:19:37.280 That's our hundred.

00:19:38.000 Wait.

00:19:38.280 So hold on.

00:19:39.220 So hold on.

00:19:39.840 Wait, wait, wait.

00:19:40.360 Hold on.

00:19:41.320 Wait, wait, wait.

00:19:41.800 Hold on.

00:19:42.180 So let's explore a couple of the claims.

00:19:44.840 So hang on.

00:19:45.340 I just want to make sure I got this clear.

00:19:46.840 Okay.

00:19:47.080 Me believing in God to you is a mental health issue, but fucking a dead body.

00:19:53.060 Also a mental health issue.

00:19:54.260 I agree.

00:19:55.680 Why is that a mental health issue?

00:19:56.760 It is.

00:19:57.300 It's fucking weird.

00:19:58.440 You have no moral issues with it at all.

00:20:00.380 Well, yeah.

00:20:01.100 I don't really give a shit about it.

00:20:02.320 I also don't care that you believe in God because you don't affect me.

00:20:04.940 Like, yeah, but if I did implement those morals of you can't fuck dead body because gross

00:20:10.540 and immoral.

00:20:11.800 But what's gross?

00:20:12.760 Hang on.

00:20:13.160 Anal sex?

00:20:13.760 But immoral.

00:20:15.000 Immoral.

00:20:15.560 To have sex with a dead body, you would say what?

00:20:18.420 You're hurting my bodily autonomy?

00:20:21.140 Like, that's too much for you?

00:20:23.080 Is that one line too much?

00:20:24.540 Hey, we did not come here to debate fucking dead people.

00:20:26.560 That is fucked up.

00:20:27.060 I'm just asking, let me ask this.

00:20:29.760 Can you back, can I just ask you a question, dude?

00:20:31.620 What is the, where does sex stop being gross or start being gross for you?

00:20:38.020 Yeah, so I'm not making an ick argument.

00:20:40.200 I'm not saying, I'm not going to sit here and tell you what type of sexual intercourse

00:20:44.440 with a female is going to be gross or not gross or tasteful or not tasteful.

00:20:47.860 I don't think it's really relevant.

00:20:49.740 What is relevant, though, is that to say that we can put no restrictions on consenting sex

00:20:53.960 and saying, we do it all the time.

00:20:55.660 For instance, do you think that a brother should be able to fuck his sister?

00:20:59.540 I don't think so.

00:21:01.000 I don't think so.

00:21:02.280 Because it's gross.

00:21:04.080 Yeah, but that's my opinion.

00:21:05.400 But guess what?

00:21:06.060 Someone else is going to think that's okay.

00:21:07.720 Is it immoral?

00:21:08.780 Is it immoral?

00:21:10.120 According to today's society, sure, but half the world does it.

00:21:14.620 Yeah, do you think it's immoral?

00:21:16.140 I think it's fucking immoral to a lot of things in this world.

00:21:19.020 Yeah, is that immoral or not?

00:21:20.400 Is that immoral?

00:21:21.240 What's immoral to you?

00:21:22.800 Where do you get your morals?

00:21:24.040 Well, they're invented by men, right?

00:21:25.660 Right, morals, right?

00:21:26.340 They're not where they pass down to you by God?

00:21:27.700 Well, if it's just subjective, right?

00:21:29.680 Yeah.

00:21:29.800 Then I don't know how you call anything immoral ever.

00:21:32.300 That's what I'm saying.

00:21:32.800 So there you go.

00:21:33.940 If you think it's subjective.

00:21:34.940 Someone could find sitting next to a sex doll immoral.

00:21:37.540 So then, from your worldview, then, you have to understand what that would mean.

00:21:40.600 That would mean that you couldn't say serial killers were immoral.

00:21:43.280 You couldn't say that child underage diddlers were immoral.

00:21:47.180 You couldn't say anything was immoral if your claim is we just make up morality.

00:21:52.500 We do make up morality.

00:21:53.900 Well, then, if we do just make up morality, you have no objective metric for which to call

00:21:57.780 anything immoral ever.

00:21:58.520 That's kind of how it works, right?

00:22:00.580 So then nothing anything does is immoral.

00:22:02.120 It just depends on society's standards.

00:22:04.180 And right now, having eight cocks in your mouth isn't illegal.

00:22:07.360 So if society says...

00:22:08.680 One day if they do, then it is.

00:22:09.800 I just want to make sure that we're clear in your worldview, then, if society says that

00:22:13.740 you can diddle kids, totally moral.

00:22:16.680 No.

00:22:17.480 What do you mean?

00:22:17.880 I don't think so.

00:22:19.080 Wait, why not?

00:22:19.900 Absolutely not.

00:22:20.700 Because I can disagree with things, too.

00:22:22.780 But I don't disagree with a person taking eight dicks.

00:22:25.260 What would the basis be to make the disagreement if it's just a subjective metric?

00:22:29.080 If murder was legal, I still would be like, oh, that's kind of whack.

00:22:32.900 Why?

00:22:33.520 Because I don't...

00:22:35.380 It just doesn't feel right.

00:22:36.660 Just how seeing a girl take eight dicks doesn't feel right for you.

00:22:39.460 It was a personal opinion.

00:22:40.780 So can you legislate based on it doesn't feel right?

00:22:42.620 No, you can't.

00:22:43.300 That's why this country is fucked.

00:22:43.560 Then why do you legislate against murderers and kid diddlers?

00:22:47.320 Dude, I don't fucking make the rules.

00:22:49.080 Would you?

00:22:50.280 No.

00:22:51.040 You wouldn't?

00:22:51.760 No, because I'm a piece of shit.

00:22:53.300 So you wouldn't listen to me.

00:22:53.940 So you wouldn't legislate against kid diddlers?

00:22:55.520 Oh, I would do that.

00:22:56.380 Okay.

00:22:56.740 Well, then, if you would do that, then you would legislate based on...

00:22:59.640 Based on...

00:23:00.760 It gives me the ick, right?

00:23:03.520 It would be based on the fact that a child can't make up its own decisions, and it's fucking a child.

00:23:09.460 Yeah, but your entire basis for what is moral, you just told me, is based literally on your subjective metric of your preference of I don't like it.

00:23:18.960 For me?

00:23:19.960 Yeah.

00:23:20.360 It's called morals.

00:23:21.680 We have our own, right?

00:23:22.800 So if you have your own morals...

00:23:24.460 Yes.

00:23:25.040 ...you say that the kid diddler bad...

00:23:26.760 Yes.

00:23:27.360 ...then what would...

00:23:28.060 And you would legislate against it based on your own morals?

00:23:30.640 Sure.

00:23:31.160 Why couldn't I legislate on this thing I say is bad based on my morals?

00:23:34.580 Dude, I'm not...

00:23:35.180 I don't care about your opinion just like you don't care about mine.

00:23:39.100 Well, no, no, no.

00:23:39.720 See, I do.

00:23:40.740 You care about my opinion?

00:23:41.760 Yeah, unfortunately...

00:23:42.320 But you don't know who I am until we just met.

00:23:44.260 Unfortunately, you can vote.

00:23:45.740 He can vote.

00:23:46.540 I live in a society...

00:23:47.420 You can't vote.

00:23:47.880 He's from Canada.

00:23:48.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:48.780 Well, he can still vote.

00:23:49.640 He's going to become a citizen.

00:23:50.640 He told me, right?

00:23:51.320 Well, we'll see.

00:23:51.960 So the thing is, is that the...

00:23:53.680 So if you wonder why I care...

00:23:55.340 Why do you care what all these people do?

00:23:57.540 Why do you give a shit so much?

00:23:58.620 It's because if they just go all of our morality...

00:24:01.200 Name taken, donated $100.

00:24:03.860 Andrew, what you bring to the podcast, man, but you've cut Brian off a few times now.

00:24:08.980 It's a little annoying for the viewers.

00:24:10.840 Oh, they're turning on their own.

00:24:11.940 Probably less so for Brian.

00:24:13.020 Oh, and these two guys suck.

00:24:15.060 Oh, there it is.

00:24:15.520 It's okay.

00:24:16.880 It's the nature of a fast-paced show like this.

00:24:19.960 People cut each other off.

00:24:20.840 Andrew, do be talking a lot.

00:24:22.580 I feel like I haven't...

00:24:23.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:23.620 I haven't got the talking stick.

00:24:24.860 You guys say you disagree a lot.

00:24:26.420 Brian, where's Brian at?

00:24:27.600 Hold on, hold on.

00:24:28.340 You've got to allow Andrew to finish his argument.

00:24:30.320 Okay.

00:24:30.680 But name taken, thanks for the message.

00:24:32.020 I feel like I'm in class right now, and I didn't take my Ritalin.

00:24:34.520 If everybody just has these kind of subjective metrics for what is moral, and it's all just

00:24:38.100 coming from our own personal preference or purview or this or that, they have no basis

00:24:41.940 to say, one, that anything is immoral, or two, that me legislating any of my morals

00:24:45.920 would be any worse than you doing it.

00:24:47.340 So, if I say, sex work is unequivocally evil and bad, you would have no basis to tell me

00:24:53.580 I'm wrong.

00:24:54.080 Yeah.

00:24:54.660 But I don't care about your opinion.

00:24:56.100 I can discuss that with you.

00:24:57.020 Then that's the debate.

00:24:58.120 The debate is just, sure, if you and the rest of you Christian populists outlaw sex work,

00:25:03.900 more power to you.

00:25:05.100 Hey, if you get the fucking job done, God bless you, man.

00:25:07.520 So, how come you guys don't bring on male performers?

00:25:11.080 We just did.

00:25:12.060 We brought on two male performers.

00:25:13.520 You have any problems with them, Andrew?

00:25:15.200 Yeah.

00:25:15.820 Yeah?

00:25:16.180 Yeah.

00:25:16.480 I debate them all the time.

00:25:17.380 Okay.

00:25:17.980 I've never seen you guys throw a male.

00:25:19.900 I debate Red Pill gurus.

00:25:21.360 Well, you have to understand, when you say you guys-

00:25:23.640 Which guys?

00:25:24.060 Sterling Cooper?

00:25:25.100 We've had him on the show.

00:25:25.580 Whatever podcast is Brian Atlas.

00:25:27.600 Yeah, right.

00:25:27.940 I'm just a guest.

00:25:29.760 My show?

00:25:30.600 Yeah.

00:25:30.900 I debate with them all the time.

00:25:32.060 Okay.

00:25:32.740 Absolutely.

00:25:33.340 Happy to do.

00:25:33.760 Has anyone ever changed your opinion?

00:25:35.860 Yeah, I've had my opinion changed about tons of things.

00:25:37.800 Okay.

00:25:38.180 Especially interactive, the way that men and women interactively date, how it operates in

00:25:42.360 the year 2024, a lot of the reasons people move towards sex work.

00:25:46.040 There was all sorts of presuppositions I had which were completely and totally untrue.

00:25:51.000 Absolutely.

00:25:52.380 And what I've come to is, interestingly enough, I actually go into debates with open minds,

00:25:57.120 right?

00:25:57.360 But when somebody says, it's okay to fuck a dead body, obviously, I'm not going to-

00:26:01.420 Obviously, at that point, I'm like, I'm not so sure that-

00:26:04.560 That your opinion on this is great.

00:26:06.900 But the thing is, is I still want to listen to why they think what they think.

00:26:11.380 I want to understand why it is that they believe what it is that they believe.

00:26:15.920 And what I found is this, unequivocally, almost every sex worker I've talked to regrets it.

00:26:21.460 At the end of their road, when they're all done, they always look back and say, I wish

00:26:26.560 I hadn't done that.

00:26:27.760 And if you talk to them privately, they say, you're absolutely fucking right, and I wish

00:26:30.980 more people would do something about this industry.

00:26:33.160 I'm going to chime in there.

00:26:34.260 I'm going to chime in there.

00:26:35.160 I know these girls very well.

00:26:36.800 A lot of them are close friends of mine.

00:26:38.020 Do you fuck them?

00:26:39.220 Yeah, I have.

00:26:39.740 Yeah.

00:26:40.440 Yeah, I have.

00:26:41.680 And I know them very well, and I get close with them outside the show, and these are my

00:26:45.080 best friends and favorite people.

00:26:46.680 And I totally disagree with you.

00:26:48.840 Not most of them regret it.

00:26:50.640 Not most of them are pissed that they did it and would have made different choices.

00:26:53.720 A lot of them rep it and are very happy.

00:26:55.320 How many of the ones who are retired are you getting in there?

00:26:57.960 A lot of them.

00:26:58.420 I talked to a lot of the ones that are retired.

00:26:59.980 They're very happy with, first of all, they made a very big career for themselves.

00:27:04.280 A lot of them made multi, multi-millions.

00:27:05.860 Most sex workers don't make shit.

00:27:08.300 I mean, would you treat it like any other job?

00:27:10.540 How many people do I talk to that hate their job still, right?

00:27:13.540 It's like they got into sex work, but being a plumber is not that good either.

00:27:16.460 A lot of them actually love what they do.

00:27:18.200 When you're a plumber.

00:27:18.720 And if you take mils like Cherie DeVille, Alexis Fox, 20 years in the business, multi-millionaire

00:27:23.700 celebrities.

00:27:24.460 Yeah, that's the top, top, top, top, top, top, top, top percentile.

00:27:28.040 They're shooting five scenes a day because they love it.

00:27:30.100 You take a girl like Luna Star.

00:27:31.940 She's been doing this 12 years.

00:27:33.360 She's married to Michael Bay, worth $600 million.

00:27:36.100 She's married to Michael Bay?

00:27:36.920 Yes, or about to get married, but they're dating, they're living together.

00:27:40.280 Still shoots every day because she loves it.

00:27:42.820 These are not these, bro.

00:27:43.460 She's happy.

00:27:44.240 She wants to shoot.

00:27:45.300 These are not the common denominator for sex workers.

00:27:49.400 You're pointing at the top, top, top, top, top, 1.1 percentile.

00:27:54.560 It'd be like me telling people, hey, everybody should do a podcast because Destiny's a multi-millionaire.

00:28:01.040 Right, so you guys are amazing.

00:28:01.860 That would be fucking nuts to say.

00:28:03.420 If I said that, I would be setting people up for massive failure.

00:28:05.760 Sure, so let's talk about OnlyFans girls then.

00:28:07.320 So that's the degree.

00:28:08.500 Or is the sex work also back to like just like someone's hooking behind a dumpster for $5 blowjobs,

00:28:14.660 right?

00:28:15.300 Yeah, I mean, I would consider.

00:28:16.100 That's more the speed versus the top 1 percent of porn stars.

00:28:19.220 No, no, no.

00:28:19.240 I consider all of it to be under the same purview of degeneracy.

00:28:22.460 When I say degeneracy, so you understand what that means, it just means without morals.

00:28:26.260 So like somebody who says, if you fuck a dead body or you fuck rogue guilt, it's fine.

00:28:31.040 I consider that to be absent morals because you say all morality is subjective.

00:28:35.820 It's just up to my purview.

00:28:37.280 Therefore, what I say is moral.

00:28:38.500 What you say is moral.

00:28:39.620 What you say is moral.

00:28:40.580 What you say is moral.

00:28:41.600 Yeah.

00:28:41.880 Right?

00:28:42.140 That's all the absence of morality.

00:28:43.460 Do you guys ever joke around in these debates?

00:28:45.340 Yeah.

00:28:45.560 Because like I'm not pro fucking dead body.

00:28:48.500 You know?

00:28:49.860 He was joking.

00:28:50.160 Like I didn't just come on here to be like stiff.

00:28:52.920 Now, I also want to clarify.

00:28:54.260 He's like, I'm just chilling.

00:28:55.800 You guys stiffened up real quick once the cameras turned on.

00:28:58.000 Sex work is a very broad bubble of this whole thing.

00:29:01.940 I don't know shit about prostitution.

00:29:03.900 It's illegal in many states.

00:29:04.960 Yeah.

00:29:05.060 We don't have to even worry about that.

00:29:06.840 I'm here to stand up for adult stars doing adult films and then OnlyFans, girls, girls,

00:29:13.020 everyday girls.

00:29:13.640 Those aren't prostitutes.

00:29:14.120 That sell exclusive content.

00:29:15.660 How is a corn star not a prostitute, bro?

00:29:18.440 That's a prostitute.

00:29:19.420 Absolutely not.

00:29:20.440 Oh, really?

00:29:21.000 Absolutely not.

00:29:21.220 So as long as I give you money, as long as I have a camera in your face, it's not hooking?

00:29:24.680 See, that argument gets told to me all the time.

00:29:26.440 Because it's a good argument.

00:29:27.460 And I think it's a dumbest argument.

00:29:28.180 Wait, wait.

00:29:28.580 What's the case?

00:29:29.180 It's a terrible argument.

00:29:30.320 One sec, guys.

00:29:31.060 In the wise words of Andre Vilsone, the poorest man in the world still sees himself richer

00:29:36.940 than a degenerate porn star.

00:29:38.700 Correct.

00:29:38.860 And so does everyone else.

00:29:40.740 See, these are the people you guys attract.

00:29:41.660 The poorest man in the world is like, what?

00:29:43.000 You guys attract women haters.

00:29:44.920 China, building an iPhone.

00:29:46.080 Let me give you the argument.

00:29:47.040 Let's investigate this claim.

00:29:48.060 Um, what, so what in this statement here has anything to do with a woman hating?

00:29:54.440 Are you kidding?

00:29:55.260 He's saying the poorest man on earth is still richer because a girl shoots adult films on

00:30:01.080 her own terms.

00:30:01.800 No, yeah.

00:30:02.420 So that's, that's, bro.

00:30:03.660 You know what kind of bum you have to be to be a broke man?

00:30:05.780 You think that guy is-

00:30:06.520 He got the quote wrong.

00:30:07.760 Here's the quote.

00:30:08.040 To be a broke guy in 2024.

00:30:09.340 Yeah, but here's what the quote is.

00:30:10.620 Okay, we'll get-

00:30:11.140 The quote is, is that the poorest man in the world will always consider himself richer than

00:30:14.640 a cuck.

00:30:15.020 Somebody who allows somebody else to purposely fuck their wife.

00:30:18.220 The poorest man-

00:30:18.780 He didn't say cuck.

00:30:19.280 He said-

00:30:19.480 Yeah, I know.

00:30:20.320 He got it wrong.

00:30:21.100 But what the quote actually is-

00:30:22.480 Oh, yeah.

00:30:22.660 I mean, I agree with that one.

00:30:23.580 Yeah, is that the poorest man in the world will always consider themselves richer than

00:30:26.660 the man who shares his wife.

00:30:29.080 Do you want to talk about that, cucks?

00:30:30.640 We could get into that, too.

00:30:31.600 Maybe later.

00:30:32.100 Maybe later.

00:30:32.600 But, um, Andrew, Kirill, you said something about, uh, broke men are, are bums, or I don't

00:30:38.940 want to misquote you.

00:30:39.760 Just could you repeat?

00:30:40.460 Oh, I was just, you know, if he's, if you're going to the extreme of the poorest man in

00:30:44.440 the world, you're like, why are we using that guy as a metric?

00:30:46.920 Imagine-

00:30:47.280 But is it like that?

00:30:48.920 There's a broke dude.

00:30:49.700 Well, it's, dude, it's to just make the parallel.

00:30:51.640 He has no purpose in life.

00:30:52.620 Yeah, it's just to make the parallel that materialism is-

00:30:54.700 Yeah, I get it.

00:30:55.380 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

00:30:56.800 And, Kirill, if I can, could you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table?

00:30:59.820 Yeah, yeah, dude.

00:31:00.280 And we just want to get you a bit more into frame.

00:31:02.020 Are you able to just scoot a little closer that way?

00:31:04.360 You want me to send us that?

00:31:05.360 Yeah, a little cuddle sesh.

00:31:06.680 That's okay.

00:31:07.020 Wait, and you said-

00:31:08.040 I mean, it wouldn't be immoral, right?

00:31:09.800 Not at all.

00:31:11.340 Kirill, you said that a broke man has no purpose.

00:31:16.480 Yeah.

00:31:17.260 Like, no value in him?

00:31:18.500 Yeah, absolutely not.

00:31:19.700 What are you doing as a broke dude?

00:31:21.380 Like, I have broke dude friends, and I'm like, how are you surviving in this world?

00:31:25.760 Well, certainly you need resources to survive.

00:31:28.340 If they have no value, they wouldn't be your friends, right?

00:31:31.580 If they have no-

00:31:32.240 They're my friends, but you just look at it, you're like, oh, I can't believe you're-

00:31:37.000 Like, a bum.

00:31:38.920 I mean, but-

00:31:39.620 Like, you don't have friends that are, like, broke, and you're like, or, like, when you

00:31:43.140 hear about broke dudes, you're like, what is that?

00:31:44.560 Sure, I have friends who struggle financially.

00:31:46.380 It's fine if you're 21 and broke.

00:31:48.480 It's the OG high school, homies, you know?

00:31:50.440 Yeah.

00:31:50.940 But, I mean, do you think-

00:31:51.520 That didn't make it out.

00:31:52.900 But, I mean, I'm sure you've encountered friends of your own.

00:31:55.240 Perhaps they even were wealthy at one point.

00:31:57.080 Yes.

00:31:57.280 But business failed.

00:31:59.060 Yeah.

00:31:59.640 Of course.

00:32:00.220 Health problem.

00:32:00.940 Yeah.

00:32:01.300 Catastrophic health problem.

00:32:02.340 Sure.

00:32:03.000 Get totally-

00:32:03.380 I'm talking in extremes, too, so, you know.

00:32:05.360 Sure.

00:32:05.520 But, so, by the way, Andrew, did you want to do your opener, or are you happy just keeping

00:32:11.040 it-

00:32:11.300 Yeah, we can just keep it open.

00:32:11.760 Wait, we didn't even start yet?

00:32:12.860 What's an opener?

00:32:13.220 No, we're live.

00:32:14.080 I was like, what are you guys talking about?

00:32:15.540 We're live.

00:32:15.880 We're live.

00:32:15.900 I feel like you guys prepped more than us, because we didn't even get questions.

00:32:18.900 You don't need to prep.

00:32:19.540 The guys are special and debater.

00:32:20.760 We're going raw, dog.

00:32:21.580 We sent you three questions.

00:32:23.040 And we, honestly, me and Andrew have done five shows this week.

00:32:26.880 We did not have much time to prep.

00:32:28.960 Fair.

00:32:29.340 We did a little prep.

00:32:30.420 A little prep.

00:32:31.800 We didn't even prep in the car.

00:32:32.980 We were just talking about my lactate and my cheese I ate.

00:32:35.440 I mean, I'm just like, yeah.

00:32:37.440 But we're ready.

00:32:38.500 We're fucking ready.

00:32:39.360 Question for you, Kirill.

00:32:41.040 Andrew, we can explore this for a few minutes here.

00:32:45.940 You mentioned something about religion.

00:32:48.380 Do you view, you said something along the lines of, and correct me if I'm wrong, you view

00:32:53.420 religious people or religion as a mental illness?

00:32:56.940 Yeah.

00:32:57.840 Yes.

00:32:58.480 Okay.

00:32:58.940 I just, an invisible and imaginary friend in the sky is a mental illness.

00:33:02.960 Okay.

00:33:03.320 Isn't mental illness invisible and imaginary?

00:33:06.100 I don't know.

00:33:06.940 I'm not a scientist.

00:33:08.100 I'm just throwing around buzzwords and saying that someone who talks to, if I have a friend

00:33:12.040 that talks every night at the edge of their bed to someone in the sky, yeah, it's a little

00:33:15.360 fucking weird.

00:33:15.960 I'm like, that guy's probably a little nuts.

00:33:19.520 In this day and age, I understand if you're like 70, like my grandma, you're about to

00:33:23.400 meet God.

00:33:24.120 You're like, all right, let me try to at least.

00:33:25.460 And you said you're Jewish but non-practicing?

00:33:27.280 Yeah.

00:33:28.120 Never.

00:33:29.540 So like ethnic or were you religious?

00:33:31.560 Born in Russia.

00:33:32.480 I was just Russian Jewish that escaped.

00:33:34.940 I got circumcised at age seven, so it wasn't really like a thing.

00:33:38.640 Circumcisions weren't like a thing in Russia.

00:33:40.480 Grid One Motorsports, say what you want, but no grown ass man wants another dude to be able

00:33:44.700 to ask him how his deck tastes.

00:33:46.820 That is what kissing a chick that's had nine cucks in her brow.

00:33:51.000 We haven't talked about cucks yet.

00:33:52.740 We're too messy.

00:33:53.660 F and L lads.

00:33:54.240 We need to structure this debate because I could talk on the cucks.

00:33:57.640 No, no, we're going to say another dude to be able to ask him.

00:34:00.340 Thank you.

00:34:00.960 Because I feel that.

00:34:01.800 I feel that.

00:34:03.200 But we will.

00:34:04.060 No, I don't.

00:34:04.860 We'll just let them go.

00:34:05.440 So I would just kind of argue that I think it's far more delusional, far more delusional

00:34:10.420 to think that a group of like 20 to 30-year-old men's gangbanging an 18-year-old chick and

00:34:16.200 you thinking, well, it's okay because she consented to it, that the ramifications of

00:34:20.860 that, how could that be less delusional than me thinking, ah, you know, maybe there is a

00:34:25.440 divine creator based on the fact that everything has order, which makes no sense.

00:34:29.600 Right.

00:34:29.800 But my whole thing is my identity isn't based in bashing either.

00:34:32.440 I don't shit on you and I don't shit on them.

00:34:36.180 I just kind of live my life.

00:34:37.580 But by the way, you know, I just don't like religious people and I have no problem with,

00:34:41.860 you know, porn stars because, you know, we have similar problems.

00:34:46.780 Do you think you can be a porn star?

00:34:48.320 No, I'm literally a white Russian Jewish kid.

00:34:50.660 Not you.

00:34:50.880 I'm asking, let me finish the question.

00:34:52.720 I'm sorry.

00:34:53.400 Do you think that you could be a porn star while you identify as being a Christian at

00:34:56.900 the same time?

00:34:57.480 I don't know enough about religion to tell you like what, like to be like, could you?

00:35:06.300 I don't know.

00:35:07.260 I don't know.

00:35:07.900 Like, what are the rules that say that I can't be a porn star?

00:35:09.780 But can I ask you guys a question about the Bible?

00:35:11.740 I don't know shit.

00:35:12.660 So correct me if I'm wrong and I'm just asking, but Mary Magdalene, wasn't she a

00:35:17.640 prostitute?

00:35:18.300 No.

00:35:19.000 That Jesus had come hang out with the 12 disciples?

00:35:22.100 No.

00:35:22.560 She was not?

00:35:23.120 She was not a prostitute.

00:35:24.220 Pretty sure.

00:35:24.620 100% positive Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.

00:35:28.880 Why is that a man?

00:35:29.640 Well, you can't be 100% positive.

00:35:31.360 It is.

00:35:31.940 No, it's not.

00:35:32.620 A bunch of fucking atheists say this.

00:35:34.720 The Bible nowhere says that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute ever.

00:35:38.500 Nowhere.

00:35:39.340 Nick?

00:35:40.100 Nick.

00:35:40.660 Nick can pull it up.

00:35:41.460 Nick, pull it up.

00:35:42.220 Yep.

00:35:43.140 I'm pretty sure.

00:35:43.980 I don't know shit, but I'm pretty sure.

00:35:45.600 Mary Magdalene, absolutely not a prostitute.

00:35:47.680 100%.

00:35:48.080 I feel like you're continually just trying to get me to make out with him.

00:35:53.300 But some of the Christian religions, they interpret it that way, correct?

00:35:57.820 Scoot the mic.

00:35:58.380 There could be some Protestant sex that would probably not be considered Christian, but could

00:36:03.900 identify themselves as being Christian.

00:36:05.700 But why do they think that she's a prostitute?

00:36:08.100 Because people can think all kinds of crazy shit.

00:36:10.040 It's not a rumor, is it?

00:36:11.380 It's just a rumor?

00:36:12.700 Like there must be something in the Bible that led to that interpretation.

00:36:16.080 If you read anything, anything can be interpreted incorrectly by anybody.

00:36:19.960 Like Shakespeare.

00:36:20.680 Yeah.

00:36:21.040 You can interpret it.

00:36:21.060 But there must be a paragraph, or what do they call them?

00:36:23.860 What do you call those?

00:36:24.980 John 8?

00:36:25.740 What do you call them?

00:36:26.260 Mm-hmm.

00:36:26.840 A Bible stump?

00:36:28.040 That says she was a prostitute.

00:36:29.940 There's not.

00:36:30.600 Okay.

00:36:32.940 There it is.

00:36:33.640 She was not a prostitute.

00:36:34.600 Now, back one more thing on your religion, though.

00:36:36.140 You want to pull it up?

00:36:37.240 Is?

00:36:37.780 Yeah, we can pull it up.

00:36:38.600 Go ahead, Nick.

00:36:38.980 Mary Magdalene, as it seems according to Scripture, was likely not a prostitute.

00:36:45.040 Likely not.

00:36:46.020 Not.

00:36:46.680 They're saying she is, but maybe she wasn't.

00:36:49.220 There was a slight chance that woman sucked a dick for a dollar.

00:36:51.460 No.

00:36:51.820 Or like a bagel.

00:36:52.380 They're saying she's likely not a prostitute.

00:36:54.160 That doesn't sound like...

00:36:54.880 What it means is there's not any evidence for that.

00:36:57.300 It's just made up.

00:36:57.900 Well, there's not much evidence for anything in the Bible.

00:36:59.820 There's a lot of evidence for a lot of things in the Bible.

00:37:02.760 Let's not even go there.

00:37:04.140 You brought it up.

00:37:05.060 I didn't bring it up.

00:37:05.880 I didn't bring it up.

00:37:06.880 I don't know enough about religion.

00:37:09.520 I just think it's weird to talk to a guy in this country.

00:37:11.020 Isn't one of the commandments that you can't have sex before marriage?

00:37:14.680 Yeah.

00:37:15.080 And you did it.

00:37:15.660 That you can't be an adulterer.

00:37:16.260 Yeah, that's true.

00:37:16.660 So in your religion, you broke one of the ten mega rules.

00:37:20.620 Yeah, one of the ten commandments.

00:37:21.460 Correct.

00:37:21.860 So you're fucked.

00:37:22.800 You're not going to heaven.

00:37:23.680 No.

00:37:23.980 That's incorrect.

00:37:25.240 So what are the rules for?

00:37:25.780 Do you care about breaking that rule?

00:37:27.860 Yeah.

00:37:28.600 Like, how does it...

00:37:30.100 Like, why do you care?

00:37:31.680 Like, why do you care about...

00:37:32.820 So from our worldview, my worldview...

00:37:36.260 Yeah.

00:37:37.380 Think of your body like a cup, and every time you sin, it fills up a little bit more,

00:37:42.300 right?

00:37:42.880 This is the idea of sin.

00:37:45.340 Sin itself, right, can be kind of partitioned this way.

00:37:49.780 So basically, the more that you sin, the sicker your soul gets.

00:37:53.880 Okay.

00:37:54.200 That's the prism of the worldview.

00:37:55.980 And so you shouldn't do it.

00:37:58.040 Now, there's ways for you to compensate for that.

00:37:59.740 He's about to fill your soul.

00:38:01.060 Right?

00:38:01.300 One of the things that you can do...

00:38:03.300 I'm the water boy.

00:38:03.860 I'm not even part of this study.

00:38:04.700 Yeah.

00:38:04.880 So one of the things you can do is you can repent, and then you do everything you can

00:38:08.940 to not do the sin anymore.

00:38:10.820 That's the goal, right?

00:38:12.040 Now, how do you take that...

00:38:13.100 Nobody's expecting perfection.

00:38:14.780 Right.

00:38:15.020 And then I see these TV shows where, you know, all the time, and serial killers are going

00:38:19.240 to repent and be like, okay, good, out of my system.

00:38:22.620 And we don't have to get into all this because it's not what we came for, but I just think

00:38:26.400 you were fucking before.

00:38:28.300 Yeah.

00:38:29.520 So what?

00:38:30.020 So what?

00:38:30.440 So now you're using Christianity against porn stars, and it devalues when you were fucking

00:38:35.160 before marriage.

00:38:35.900 That's really weird.

00:38:36.640 If you smoked cigarettes, would you tell your kids they could smoke cigarettes?

00:38:40.060 Not about the kids.

00:38:40.960 It's about you saying the Christianity.

00:38:42.620 Yeah, answer my question.

00:38:43.400 If you smoked cigarettes, would you tell your nine-year-old they could smoke?

00:38:46.420 I don't understand what that has to do with it.

00:38:47.920 Answer the question.

00:38:48.780 Stop obfuscating.

00:38:50.220 No, I would not.

00:38:51.240 Why?

00:38:51.920 Why wouldn't you be a hypocrite?

00:38:53.140 You smoke.

00:38:53.980 You smoke.

00:38:54.760 So why are you telling someone else that they can't smoke?

00:38:57.540 Well, people got to make their own mistakes.

00:38:59.240 So wait.

00:38:59.780 So wait.

00:39:00.140 Hang on a second.

00:39:01.280 That's really weird.

00:39:02.740 It's almost like you can have a standard, and even if you fall short of the standard,

00:39:06.400 you still know it's bad for someone else.

00:39:09.100 It's almost like...

00:39:10.500 Right, but...

00:39:11.400 Get off the hill.

00:39:11.900 Yeah, you can't...

00:39:12.780 Get off the fucking hill, buddy.

00:39:13.580 You can get off the high horse.

00:39:14.680 You know, like the guy...

00:39:15.740 Here's a great example.

00:39:16.840 I'm sorry.

00:39:17.220 Am I a prostitute?

00:39:17.920 Mother's against child driving.

00:39:19.060 Hang on.

00:39:19.500 I'm sorry.

00:39:19.920 Am I a prostitute?

00:39:20.560 Am I on OnlyFans?

00:39:21.780 Am I on OnlyFans?

00:39:23.160 Am I getting gangbanged by eight dudes?

00:39:25.320 Like, what's going on here?

00:39:26.220 You're fucking.

00:39:26.760 You're fucking.

00:39:27.420 Yeah.

00:39:27.640 So the thing is, is I also think that there's a distinct difference in distinction, which

00:39:32.220 you can make as a category between somebody who has premarital sex and somebody who's

00:39:36.280 accepting money for sexual intercourse daily and getting gangbanged by dudes, getting facials,

00:39:41.600 putting their shit all over the internet.

00:39:43.160 Why is that gross?

00:39:44.040 I would say...

00:39:44.280 I don't understand why that's gross.

00:39:45.160 Well, here.

00:39:45.640 Let me ask you...

00:39:46.400 I don't get why sex is disgusting.

00:39:48.160 You know what?

00:39:48.740 If I'm wrong, let me just ask you a question.

00:39:50.960 You would marry a porn star?

00:39:52.520 Sure.

00:39:53.040 Great.

00:39:53.380 Then I want to ask you this question.

00:39:54.780 That's what I...

00:39:55.380 You have kids with this porn star.

00:39:57.240 Retired.

00:39:57.540 Because it's all about boundaries.

00:39:58.600 Little Johnny...

00:39:58.720 What if I don't want kids?

00:39:59.680 We're playing your scenario.

00:40:00.560 We'll just say you did.

00:40:01.080 Okay.

00:40:01.340 Cool.

00:40:01.600 Go.

00:40:01.700 Okay.

00:40:01.900 Little Johnny comes up to you at nine years old and he says, hey, dad, take a look.

00:40:05.860 There's mom and she's getting fucked in the face by Jamal.

00:40:08.660 If my...

00:40:09.100 Holy shit.

00:40:09.920 Hang on.

00:40:10.340 Hang on.

00:40:10.560 Look.

00:40:10.780 My friend said, this is the best part where they just shoot it all over the face.

00:40:16.640 Now, you're going to look at that and go, well, now you see...

00:40:19.180 How do I explain school shootings to them?

00:40:21.160 It's all good.

00:40:21.740 What about all the other things I got to explain to them?

00:40:23.760 Like?

00:40:23.940 School shootings.

00:40:24.860 So, Andrew, how everything in the world is fucking awful.

00:40:28.680 What in the world is awful?

00:40:29.820 Look, if I choose to marry a porn star, right, then I've already in my head know what I should

00:40:35.580 and shouldn't say to my child, right?

00:40:38.180 Yeah, great.

00:40:38.420 Tell me how the conversation is.

00:40:39.680 I'm not gonna.

00:40:39.880 So, Andrew...

00:40:40.480 I'm not gonna.

00:40:41.220 It comes down to...

00:40:42.900 Nobody wants that, dude.

00:40:44.020 No, that's not true.

00:40:44.740 Somebody does, right?

00:40:45.820 Like, somebody wants to, like, date a fucking 900-pound girl.

00:40:49.180 They always date within their own industry most of the time for a reason.

00:40:52.820 And it's because they know...

00:40:54.520 It's hard.

00:40:55.800 They know that men see this as being shameful, horrific behavior.

00:40:59.880 They don't want anything to do with a chick who's been, you know, had, like, eight guys on her.

00:41:05.880 I disagree with you.

00:41:06.420 Has her shit all over the place.

00:41:07.560 I disagree with you.

00:41:08.160 And I'll tell you why.

00:41:08.960 But why is the guy the man...

00:41:09.700 It comes down to every guy's respected boundary, right?

00:41:12.360 You are very pro.

00:41:13.640 If she did it, I'm out.

00:41:14.820 That's fine.

00:41:15.180 And, you know what?

00:41:16.320 The girls probably wouldn't want to date you either, to be honest.

00:41:18.600 So, then there's the guys that are happy to date a girl that are still shooting, like Michael Bay.

00:41:23.520 He's...

00:41:24.080 Go shoot Luna.

00:41:24.980 He likes it.

00:41:25.860 He's into that.

00:41:26.440 You know why?

00:41:26.800 Because they swing.

00:41:27.540 They're open.

00:41:28.320 He fucks other girls.

00:41:29.220 She fucks other guys.

00:41:30.300 Maybe it fucking turns them on.

00:41:31.580 Sure.

00:41:31.760 So, there's that, too.

00:41:32.960 Me, where my boundary is, and I'll tell you straight up, I would date a retired porn star.

00:41:37.920 I would want to be monogamous with my retired porn star.

00:41:40.500 It wouldn't bother me for shits on the internet.

00:41:43.420 It wouldn't bother me.

00:41:43.900 Yeah, thank you, Gracie.

00:41:47.260 If you had a daughter and she said, Dad, I really want to get into love.

00:41:51.520 I love effing, and the money is great.

00:41:54.060 If you approve, you're garbage and you're stupid.

00:41:57.520 No real parent would.

00:41:58.960 Yeah, so, little Cynthia said, hey, Dad, I'm going to go sell some dick for money.

00:42:03.140 What if little Cynthia...

00:42:03.960 Hey, awesome, Cynthia.

00:42:05.480 What if little Cynthia's like, I want a liberal arts degree and spend 100 grand on college?

00:42:09.100 I'd be like, you're stupid, too.

00:42:10.140 Stop.

00:42:10.580 You don't have to do that.

00:42:11.260 Do you think that it's kind of equivocating a bit to make the comparison of a liberal arts degree to getting gangbanged?

00:42:18.440 I think that, yeah.

00:42:21.540 Do you think it's equal?

00:42:22.860 Yeah, I think so.

00:42:23.480 This is like getting a liberal arts degree.

00:42:25.460 You know what?

00:42:25.780 The best thing that ever happened to the industry is OnlyFans, because now it's on their terms, it's their creation, it's their art, it's their marketing, it's their entrepreneurship.

00:42:32.120 Yeah, you're not really answering the question about little Cynthia, though.

00:42:34.280 So, I'm getting there, I'm getting there right now.

00:42:36.920 So, thankfully, since the industry's changed so much, Camilla, who's been on here twice, do you remember her?

00:42:42.180 She was the girl on the Mr. Beast show.

00:42:44.000 Camilla.

00:42:45.060 Dark hair, blue eyes.

00:42:47.160 It's huge.

00:42:47.600 Florida.

00:42:48.260 Yeah.

00:42:49.040 I think she's only been on here once.

00:42:50.360 Maybe once.

00:42:50.800 But I think I know who you're talking about.

00:42:51.560 Yeah, you know her, you know her.

00:42:52.160 She does that, like, height TikTok thing where she, like, checks the guy's heights.

00:42:57.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:57.840 So, she figured it out perfectly, and I would actually encourage my daughter to do what she does.

00:43:01.960 She shows nothing on OnlyFans at all.

00:43:04.560 Zero.

00:43:04.800 Yeah, but what if...

00:43:05.740 But she does TikTok and reels so good, catch and release, guys come to see her naked, oh, fuck, she's not.

00:43:10.680 That's kind of a sneaky way to not actually answer the question.

00:43:12.700 She makes $500 million a month.

00:43:14.100 $500 million a month.

00:43:14.860 She comes and says...

00:43:15.800 Hold on.

00:43:16.080 Camilla.

00:43:16.660 That's not the question.

00:43:17.420 $500 million?

00:43:18.620 Fuck, sorry.

00:43:19.180 You mean $500,000?

00:43:20.380 Pardon me.

00:43:20.800 $500,000 a month.

00:43:21.760 $500 million, I'm about to get.

00:43:22.820 But she won't make $500,000 a month.

00:43:23.800 I might even consider $500,000 a month.

00:43:25.220 So, that is what I would tell my daughter.

00:43:27.860 Honestly, don't show shit.

00:43:29.960 Hook them in.

00:43:30.640 Make, what is that, $5 million a year about?

00:43:32.560 $6 million?

00:43:33.140 Yeah.

00:43:33.560 So, wait.

00:43:34.240 So, I just want to make sure I got this clear.

00:43:35.720 If your daughter came to you and said that she wanted to go on and have sex and suck men's penises for money while she was being filmed doing it, that's the question.

00:43:43.700 Would you tell her that was okay or not?

00:43:45.540 I would push her towards this route.

00:43:47.620 First.

00:43:48.080 So, that would mean the other route was not okay?

00:43:50.180 I think if your daughter wants to do something, she's going to do it.

00:43:52.400 Not the first choice I would support her to do.

00:43:54.140 I would prefer that she did it this way first.

00:43:56.440 Why?

00:43:56.620 Because, well, it's just a, this way everything is in completely her control.

00:44:03.220 She never has to go onto sets where, you know, they're not perfect, the porn sets.

00:44:07.920 That's a fact.

00:44:08.960 And I wish they were a little bit safer because things do happen on set.

00:44:12.180 And I would be worried for her in that sense.

00:44:13.940 You know, they try their best to get it right.

00:44:15.440 Yeah, but he verbally yelled at a chick for his cell phone, though, once.

00:44:20.100 I just wanted to let you know, he did verbally yell at a chick about her cell phone going off once.

00:44:25.200 But I can see where, you know, on the set of one of these porn shoots where this 18-year-old is getting gangbanged.

00:44:31.040 You know, things don't always go right, you know.

00:44:32.880 But Brian did yell at a chick one time because her cell phone went off.

00:44:37.080 That was the only stream I watched.

00:44:38.360 And that was enough for me.

00:44:39.660 Okay.

00:44:40.140 So, anyway, back to this.

00:44:41.700 But back to that.

00:44:42.480 Look, I just don't like anyone hitting women verbally or cyberbullying.

00:44:48.260 Yeah, I don't like anybody hitting women either.

00:44:49.860 That's what Brian did when I attacked him.

00:44:51.940 Well, hold on.

00:44:52.420 Just to be clear, I've never hit a woman.

00:44:55.160 Where did you come up with that?

00:44:56.500 I thought that you were verbally.

00:44:57.880 And then when I watched, I realized, okay, no, he doesn't actually go at them meanly.

00:45:02.120 And I messaged him that.

00:45:03.240 I'm like, we don't have to do personal attacks because that was actually wrong.

00:45:05.880 You just set them up in a way to make them look stupid.

00:45:07.920 Hold on.

00:45:08.380 I've got to challenge you there.

00:45:09.680 I don't set them up.

00:45:11.020 Well, you know what you're doing.

00:45:12.740 Brian, you're not an idiot.

00:45:13.640 Tell me what I'm doing.

00:45:14.880 Tell me what I'm doing.

00:45:17.340 This whole show is the opposite of mine.

00:45:20.360 Where I do a comedy in the sense of bringing them up, talking funny stories, laughing with them.

00:45:26.340 Yours is also almost a comedy in a way of, let's see.

00:45:30.440 Why is it simping to hang out with your friends?

00:45:31.700 I'm joking, guys.

00:45:31.860 Let's get them to say dumb shit.

00:45:33.000 I thought you wanted it.

00:45:33.660 And go viral.

00:45:34.380 Hold on.

00:45:34.920 Guys, guys, guys.

00:45:35.700 Let's let Brian finish.

00:45:37.020 All right.

00:45:37.840 So, you do it the opposite way.

00:45:39.480 It's similar in the way we get beautiful women in sex work to say viral shit.

00:45:46.480 But I say it with more of a positive outlook.

00:45:48.860 You say it with a bit more of a negative outlook.

00:45:50.520 Well, there's a couple things to clarify here.

00:45:52.240 So, first off, when it comes to the people that we have on the show, we do have OnlyFans

00:45:55.860 Girls on the show.

00:45:56.660 We actually had somebody recently, one of our viewers, painstakingly actually go through

00:46:01.720 all of our episodes and do analysis on their age, profession, where they're from, et cetera.

00:46:10.220 And we collected statistics.

00:46:13.360 And I believe, Nick, could you pull up the stats really quick?

00:46:15.860 Do we still have that pulled up?

00:46:17.080 It's either 30% or, what's that?

00:46:19.120 It's not pulled up.

00:46:19.780 Shoot, if you can try to find it.

00:46:22.000 I think it's in one of the Dropbox folders.

00:46:24.520 In any case, it's either less than 20 or less than 30.

00:46:27.860 I forgot the exact number.

00:46:29.380 I think it's 20, could be 30.

00:46:31.400 Less than 20 or 30% of the women we have on the show are involved in sex work in some

00:46:35.820 capacity.

00:46:36.960 So, we've had over 1,000 guests.

00:46:39.560 I think less than 200 of them have been OnlyFans.

00:46:42.020 So, what do you yell at them about?

00:46:43.140 You do one per episode.

00:46:44.100 For the other 70% of women.

00:46:45.620 Well, I mean, we'll have conversations, broad conversations about, sorry, we lost the,

00:46:52.520 oh, okay, we're good.

00:46:53.760 We talk about dating-related topics.

00:46:55.380 We'll get into culture war stuff.

00:46:56.720 Sometimes we'll talk politics.

00:46:57.940 But mostly, we'll talk about dating.

00:47:00.680 What's wrong with yelling at chicks anyway?

00:47:02.940 Like, why is that even a problem?

00:47:04.140 Yell at men.

00:47:05.320 You can yell at, you can yell at both.

00:47:07.320 I would yell at everyone.

00:47:08.580 No, I can't yell at both.

00:47:09.380 It's coward behavior to yell at an 18-year-old girl.

00:47:13.560 I watched Brian go at Andrew pretty hard with a lint roller.

00:47:17.340 BTW pretty comical fellows.

00:47:19.340 I have it, bro.

00:47:20.620 By the way, do you guys want the lint roller?

00:47:22.860 I see Kirill, there's a little, I have OCD, so there's like a little speck on your shirt

00:47:26.720 if you want to.

00:47:27.200 Sure, you got some.

00:47:27.900 I'm just looking out.

00:47:28.660 I know, I got the dandruff.

00:47:29.180 Thank you.

00:47:29.520 I have a girlfriend.

00:47:30.580 I got the dandruff.

00:47:30.960 I'm not trying to get laid anymore, so I don't care what I look like.

00:47:33.320 Wait, you missed it.

00:47:34.100 You just, wait.

00:47:36.400 Oh, do you guys see it?

00:47:37.460 Oh, yeah, good.

00:47:37.860 There you go, let me get all the fucking crusty cum off my face.

00:47:41.640 What the fuck?

00:47:43.740 That wasn't a joke.

00:47:44.540 That was good.

00:47:45.120 That was a good thing.

00:47:46.540 And the thing is, these girls do have mental health issues, you know, especially.

00:47:50.480 Caused from porn?

00:47:52.300 Yeah.

00:47:52.740 Yeah.

00:47:53.160 Do you think it's before porn now?

00:47:55.180 The thing that you advocate is great.

00:47:56.040 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:47:56.480 Wait, but don't you think it's before porn?

00:47:58.340 Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:47:59.340 Wait, wait, wait.

00:47:59.780 Sorry, sorry.

00:48:00.180 I was about to say something.

00:48:01.360 Come on.

00:48:03.020 It's the negativity that comes with it.

00:48:05.300 Oh, the social stigma.

00:48:06.580 That's the word you're looking for.

00:48:07.420 It's what's hurting them the most.

00:48:08.760 And it's been a tough year.

00:48:09.840 This year, there was suicides, overdoses, and deaths.

00:48:13.740 And I think a lot of them would not have gone all the way to that terrible, all the

00:48:20.620 way bad and dark if the world was just fucking chill and peace and happy.

00:48:25.240 You want to fuck on camera?

00:48:26.760 Go have fun.

00:48:27.840 You know, it's people that are telling them they're fucking whores all the time.

00:48:31.340 People like you, Andrew, that are getting to their fucking brains.

00:48:34.940 Who knows?

00:48:35.560 We could have saved a fucking life.

00:48:36.840 Well, okay.

00:48:38.100 You know what?

00:48:38.960 I'll grant the argument for a second that it's the social stigma that does it.

00:48:42.600 So then you would have to grant that if we eliminated it, if we shut the industry down,

00:48:47.420 they wouldn't have to deal with the social stigma, would they?

00:48:50.440 Yeah, but that's anti-American.

00:48:51.280 Hang on, hang on.

00:48:52.000 Let them answer.

00:48:52.580 Let them answer.

00:48:53.220 That's no way to do it.

00:48:54.400 Why is that no way to do it?

00:48:55.580 Because if it's their choice and they're safe, let them live and let live, baby.

00:48:59.220 Wait, for most of our history, this was outlawed because of the ramifications of the mental

00:49:04.660 illness which came along with it, because of the massive amounts of STDs that came with

00:49:08.520 it, and that's a big problem in that industry.

00:49:10.760 Actually, no.

00:49:11.300 Oh, well, let's go over the rates if you think that's correct.

00:49:13.400 Yeah, but you can't die from STDs like that anymore.

00:49:15.360 Oh, yeah.

00:49:15.800 Well, you can't die from HIV?

00:49:17.260 Not anymore.

00:49:17.800 Not anymore, no.

00:49:18.260 Yeah, no.

00:49:18.780 Even now, you can die from HIV.

00:49:21.120 Nah, you take the pill you're fine.

00:49:21.680 I mean, you could die from fucking anything.

00:49:23.580 And you know what?

00:49:24.420 I've slept with a lot of women, Andrew.

00:49:26.000 I've gotten more STIs from non-porn girls than porn girls.

00:49:28.680 I'll tell you right now.

00:49:29.040 How many STIs have you gotten?

00:49:30.700 What?

00:49:31.120 That's not for debate.

00:49:31.820 Can I slide to the right a little bit now?

00:49:33.160 Let's get serious.

00:49:33.260 I've only had the chill ones, you know?

00:49:37.040 Yeah.

00:49:37.420 Have you had multiple times, though, like the chill ones?

00:49:40.460 Do you have permanent STDs?

00:49:41.700 No, I do not.

00:49:42.400 Okay.

00:49:42.680 Those are the scary ones.

00:49:43.880 But, I mean, isn't it the case?

00:49:45.080 Hence their God.

00:49:46.040 But good.

00:49:46.920 No, I don't.

00:49:47.460 I have caught an STI before.

00:49:49.380 I'd like to finish this exchange.

00:49:50.740 I'm almost done.

00:49:51.280 And I'll tell you, I've never caught anything from a porn star.

00:49:55.160 And I've slept with a porn star.

00:49:56.060 Evidence shows HIV.

00:49:57.320 Civilians.

00:49:57.840 You know who's worse?

00:49:58.640 Yeah, hang on.

00:49:59.200 The clout chase girls in LA that are out with celebrities and they're out eight nights a week partying.

00:50:03.720 We literally have the numbers.

00:50:04.780 That's one thing we got.

00:50:05.700 Those girls are who have STDs because they're sleeping with rock stars who've slept with thousands of women.

00:50:10.280 That's where you're going to...

00:50:11.100 You've got to wrap it up with them.

00:50:12.280 Yeah, no, you've got to wrap it up with all of them.

00:50:13.080 Porn girls, they get tested every week.

00:50:14.340 Dude, koalas have STDs.

00:50:15.260 They're fine.

00:50:15.680 And they only fuck each other who get tested every week.

00:50:17.600 Yeah, well, here's what the evidence...

00:50:18.480 All good.

00:50:19.020 Here's what the evidence shows.

00:50:19.940 Evidence shows HIV prevalence among sex workers 12 times greater.

00:50:23.420 12 times.

00:50:24.400 Well, yeah.

00:50:24.820 That's including prostitution.

00:50:25.460 Bro, but that's the industry.

00:50:26.880 We're unregulated.

00:50:27.700 We're talking porn.

00:50:28.700 Bro.

00:50:29.100 Who has more fucking hammer injuries than a handyman?

00:50:31.980 Look up porn because you're taking prostitution.

00:50:33.920 Hang on.

00:50:34.420 But he's also...

00:50:35.080 I'm going through...

00:50:35.860 The metric of people who do this for a living.

00:50:37.520 Dude, you've got to let me finish.

00:50:38.000 You're using third world countries that fuck without a condom every day, 10 dudes a day, for a bagel.

00:50:42.320 You're not letting me finish, so you can't even understand the argument.

00:50:45.480 Just let me finish, and then you guys can respond.

00:50:46.720 Nick, is that what I'm doing?

00:50:48.660 Countries with legalized prostitution.

00:50:50.820 Nick, can you get water for me?

00:50:51.700 Legalized prostitution.

00:50:53.380 That would be corn.

00:50:54.900 With higher human trafficking...

00:50:56.420 They have higher human trafficking inflows in countries where prostitution is prohibited.

00:51:01.060 The scale and effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. the expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect where legal sex workers are favored over legal workers.

00:51:10.060 This means that human trafficking increases if prostitution is legalized and if sex work is legalized.

00:51:16.600 Across the board, human trafficking goes up.

00:51:18.620 But here's the other side effect that you won't talk about, and this is one of the things that you need to kind of answer to.

00:51:25.340 Sure.

00:51:25.840 The fact is, according to this study, that the internet is so saturated with pornography, it makes it extremely hard to find the incidences of CP, which exists, that are uploaded to these sites.

00:51:38.220 Let's see, that's child stuff.

00:51:39.280 Let's see.

00:51:39.860 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:51:41.500 It's estimated in 2003 that 20% of all pornography traded over the internet was that type of pornography.

00:51:47.600 That since 1997, the number of child images like that are available on the internet had increased 1,500%.

00:51:56.400 1,500%, which means, right now, by the way, somewhere around 67% of males before age 15 have watched full hardcore corn on the internet.

00:52:09.720 Somewhere around 37% of girls.

00:52:11.180 Didn't you, Andrew?

00:52:12.300 No.

00:52:12.840 Didn't you?

00:52:13.440 Why not?

00:52:13.920 It wasn't even around then.

00:52:15.060 What did you jerk off?

00:52:15.760 We jerked off to, like, Macy's catalogs.

00:52:17.980 The thing is, if you're watching it, you can be exploited by it.

00:52:22.540 That's why you have a 1,500%, 1,700% increase in the amount of child images which are now out there in the public.

00:52:29.240 Okay, for child porn, we're not even going to, like, none of us here fucking support.

00:52:32.800 That's awful.

00:52:33.340 I'm not saying you support it.

00:52:34.460 I'm saying that with the industry comes the entailment of this.

00:52:38.700 When we all discover our penis around grade 678, we're all going to see, oh, shit.

00:52:44.840 What does this do?

00:52:46.220 Oh, that feels kind of cool.

00:52:47.680 We all do it.

00:52:48.860 Even priests.

00:52:49.980 Yeah, so what?

00:52:50.400 Even nuns.

00:52:51.600 What does that have to do with anything?

00:52:52.920 My point is, we're all jerking off.

00:52:54.700 So, yeah, guys that discover porn on the internet, big deal.

00:52:57.940 I was jerking off.

00:52:58.660 I remember the Eminem Superman video had a titty flash.

00:53:00.960 I would pause it at 2 minutes 38 seconds, and I'd walk to that every fucking day.

00:53:04.700 All good.

00:53:05.340 Literally has nothing to do with what I just said.

00:53:05.680 If I had porn, I would have just shipped it to that.

00:53:07.600 That was my porn.

00:53:08.660 That doesn't change anything.

00:53:09.980 You're not answering to what I'm saying.

00:53:11.500 Is your argument, if I can explain it to him, is your argument the fact that this industry

00:53:16.460 creates all this waste, right?

00:53:20.480 This radioactive waste known as CP and everything else.

00:53:23.580 It doesn't exist at all.

00:53:25.000 The industry?

00:53:25.740 Yeah, the fact that this industry exists and is promoted leads to a massive increase in

00:53:31.720 miners consuming this type of material, which then leads to the exploitation of those same

00:53:36.500 miners.

00:53:36.940 Right.

00:53:37.200 I understand that, but don't you think a lot of things in our society comes with a lot

00:53:43.980 of bad, horrible shit, right?

00:53:48.140 Yeah, I suppose, sure.

00:53:49.360 Like sugar?

00:53:50.400 Sure.

00:53:51.040 Right?

00:53:51.460 Mm-hmm.

00:53:51.760 But, well, you're not out here lobbying to outlaw Snickers.

00:53:55.720 And, yeah, it wouldn't be an outlawing of Snickers.

00:53:58.480 Well, it would be...

00:53:58.940 Well, so here's the thing.

00:54:00.580 Most people don't develop a mental illness because they ate Snickers.

00:54:04.180 They develop mental illnesses, though, if they're on the set of porn, of porn sites, and

00:54:08.700 they're getting banged.

00:54:10.180 My dad developed a mental illness when you're talking about things which are just generally

00:54:14.020 unhealthy for you.

00:54:15.200 Human beings seem to be able to regulate their behaviors around these things.

00:54:19.240 Some things are much more addictive than others.

00:54:21.400 For instance, a massive campaign from the government to reduce smoking.

00:54:25.080 They didn't have to outlaw smoking.

00:54:27.000 They just did everything that they could to create a social stigma around it, and the

00:54:30.440 rates of it went like this, down to almost nothing.

00:54:33.060 They did the same thing with obesity.

00:54:35.100 They have pro...

00:54:36.200 If they do anything pro-health, that type of propaganda seems to work significantly well

00:54:40.960 in the population.

00:54:41.580 You can do the exact same thing with pornography and sex work, have huge amounts of propaganda

00:54:45.920 saying, this is really bad.

00:54:47.460 Do anything but this, even if you never made it illegal.

00:54:50.800 I got it.

00:54:52.020 Let me ask you this.

00:54:53.720 This would not exist if not for men consuming it.

00:54:57.240 Or women making it.

00:54:58.880 Or men consuming it.

00:55:00.060 Or women making it.

00:55:00.740 Where there's demand, there's market.

00:55:02.300 Where there's market, there's demand.

00:55:03.840 It is a $100 billion a year industry.

00:55:06.800 And if this didn't exist, guess what?

00:55:08.660 They would be baristas.

00:55:09.360 And 30% of it is women consuming it as well.

00:55:12.600 So the thing is, is that the industry still would exist without men.

00:55:16.320 It might only be $40 billion instead of $100 billion.

00:55:19.200 I don't know how many women are paying.

00:55:20.380 I don't know how many they're paying.

00:55:21.280 They get the free show.

00:55:21.480 Oh, lots of them pay.

00:55:22.560 They get the free show.

00:55:23.200 Lots of them pay.

00:55:23.900 Women cheap out on their porn.

00:55:24.900 But this is one of the worst arguments made by the kind of pro-corn side, is that if men

00:55:30.300 didn't exist, this wouldn't exist.

00:55:31.680 Yes, it would.

00:55:32.580 Just like if women weren't making it.

00:55:34.900 Then there would still be gay porn, wouldn't there?

00:55:36.320 I just don't understand the...

00:55:38.420 You know what crack dealers say?

00:55:40.280 They say, someone else is going to sell them crack.

00:55:44.500 Right?

00:55:44.880 Is crack legal?

00:55:45.800 No.

00:55:46.400 If it was, would more people sell it?

00:55:49.260 Yeah.

00:55:50.040 Argument defeated.

00:55:50.980 Over to you.

00:55:51.640 No, no, no.

00:55:52.640 That defeats your argument.

00:55:53.780 No, you got destroyed.

00:55:55.040 No, no, I disagree.

00:55:56.040 Oh, my God.

00:55:56.780 Listen.

00:55:57.200 I disagree.

00:55:57.680 You just agreed with me.

00:55:59.000 Where there's a market, there is demand.

00:55:59.800 Yeah, but you just agreed that we can limit the market and the demand, right?

00:56:03.220 Whether it's there or not, it reduces the amount of consumers.

00:56:06.360 If, on the other hand...

00:56:07.520 Well, you're saying if we made porn illegal, would there be less porn?

00:56:09.700 Of course.

00:56:10.200 Yes.

00:56:10.520 You could make anything illegal.

00:56:11.480 Yes.

00:56:11.920 Yeah, no shit.

00:56:12.780 Yes, but you can also create regulations around this.

00:56:15.700 You don't even have to make it more.

00:56:16.760 What are you regulations?

00:56:17.340 Wait, wait.

00:56:17.360 So are you okay with porn?

00:56:18.780 Yeah, please.

00:56:19.520 Wait, so wait, wait.

00:56:20.160 Just real quick.

00:56:20.900 Are you okay with porn or are you trying to say no porn?

00:56:23.260 Yeah, I would get rid of it altogether.

00:56:24.660 So what are you...

00:56:25.620 But even if you...

00:56:26.120 But you're willing to be okay with it?

00:56:28.060 Yeah, even if you could meet somewhere where there's...

00:56:29.800 So where are you trying to meet?

00:56:30.700 If porn was illegal, it would probably be less porn.

00:56:33.880 So I would say...

00:56:34.680 So here's what I would say.

00:56:35.520 Of course.

00:56:35.820 I'd say you couldn't get rid of it tomorrow, okay?

00:56:38.340 But you could do some things which would greatly regulate it.

00:56:40.520 For one, right?

00:56:42.100 I'd say you need on the internet to upload some kind of photo ID in order to access these sites.

00:56:46.980 That way you can keep minors off of them, period.

00:56:49.340 Do you think that works?

00:56:50.500 Hang on.

00:56:50.600 Because I'm as a 14-year-old who literally can do whatever I want.

00:56:53.000 Let me finish the solution and then you can criticize it.

00:56:55.140 That's fair, right?

00:56:56.780 Next, I would up the age of which you can actually do this type of work.

00:57:01.340 From 18 to somewhere around 25 years old.

00:57:04.280 Who wants to see a 25-year-old naked?

00:57:05.820 27-year-old, right?

00:57:07.840 I would definitely up the ante of when a person could enter into a contract like this.

00:57:14.520 For the same reason that you can't go and rent a car until you're 25 years old.

00:57:19.140 There's a good reason for that.

00:57:20.420 It's because you don't really understand the contracts that you're entering into.

00:57:23.960 So, this is a big problem.

00:57:27.100 Can I apply that to religion?

00:57:28.520 This entire bullet points as well?

00:57:30.560 We shouldn't indoctrinate children into religion until they're 25?

00:57:35.260 All you have to do is falsify it like I just did with corn and then sure.

00:57:39.180 Okay.

00:57:39.560 You know what?

00:57:40.120 I don't hate any of your points.

00:57:42.580 I actually don't.

00:57:43.740 But your arguments have all been these people are gross and this is gross.

00:57:49.780 That hasn't been my argument.

00:57:51.140 I'm not at those points at all.

00:57:52.800 But at what point in those did you say, I don't want nine cocks in the mouth?

00:57:56.780 Because that was your original argument.

00:57:57.780 So, no.

00:57:58.340 What I'm saying, that was distinct and it was going against something which was said back

00:58:03.160 towards Brian about a cell phone incident.

00:58:05.360 What I'm talking about, he thinks, oh, it's really mean that you yelled at an 18-year-old

00:58:10.180 because her cell phone went off versus, but I'll watch her get gangbanged by eight dudes

00:58:14.720 even though that's going to leave massive ramifications.

00:58:17.540 Somehow, if I Facebook my girlfriend and you yell at her, I'm going to be like a guy yelling

00:58:22.400 at a girl that I'm seeing.

00:58:23.980 Listen, let me get the point out.

00:58:25.080 Yell at a man.

00:58:25.740 Show me how tough you are, buddy boy.

00:58:27.140 Instead of eight men ganging on one, that's some type of like savage, awesome, epic man?

00:58:34.940 I'm standing for whatever a girl wants to do.

00:58:37.200 She does not want to be yelled at by a guy to be cyberbullied on her, then I don't support

00:58:41.920 her.

00:58:42.120 She wants to go get fucked by 40 dudes.

00:58:44.420 God bless her.

00:58:45.120 Yeah, so she can consent to go do that, but not get in an argument.

00:58:47.920 God bless her.

00:58:48.880 Yeah, not get in an argument.

00:58:50.040 An argument's too much.

00:58:50.880 I don't want 40 dicks in my house.

00:58:51.300 Yeah, but I mean, if you fight with my girlfriend, she's done horrible things in bed with me that

00:58:56.140 these two don't equate, right?

00:58:58.020 I Facebook my girlfriend, but you are mean to her in public.

00:59:01.460 Yeah.

00:59:01.800 I'm going to be a dick back to you.

00:59:03.360 What is that?

00:59:03.600 Yeah, that's fair.

00:59:04.420 Yeah.

00:59:04.920 But you should expect the same thing from the religious to people who are exploiting women

00:59:10.260 and exploiting men in the corn industry.

00:59:13.120 Now, the same thing should apply there.

00:59:14.580 The religion thing.

00:59:15.940 Back to the religion.

00:59:16.520 If you're saying, because you do this thing to this person, right, and I have some emotional

00:59:21.660 investment here, I'm going to do something back.

00:59:24.380 Well, that's exactly what the religious are saying to you.

00:59:26.440 What do you mean?

00:59:26.880 They're saying, we have an emotional investment in mankind, and we're not going to let you

00:59:30.440 exploit them.

00:59:31.120 That's what they're saying.

00:59:31.840 They're saying the exact same thing you are.

00:59:33.460 But they're exploiting you with the religion.

00:59:35.640 Yeah.

00:59:36.100 You discuss your body being a cup.

00:59:38.380 You're filling with sins, but then you're like, my sins are okay, but I'm going to tell my daughter

00:59:42.320 not to do that.

00:59:42.980 Well, you know what an analogy is, right?

00:59:44.360 Yeah, I do.

00:59:44.940 Yeah.

00:59:45.160 So great.

00:59:45.600 So I can make an analogy so you understand conceptually what I'm saying.

00:59:48.180 I got it.

00:59:48.760 It doesn't mean I'm giving you the physical reality.

00:59:50.700 Yes, I know that's not your soul.

00:59:51.720 Andrew, let me tell you this.

00:59:52.820 Let me tell you this.

00:59:53.520 I am pretty sure.

00:59:54.340 If you do, like your last points were fine, but when you say it's, okay, porn is a legal

01:00:00.060 block it, then it creates an unsafe environment.

01:00:02.880 Oh, yeah.

01:00:03.620 That's the unsafe environment.

01:00:03.980 Look what happens with your priests when you say they cannot masturbate or have sex.

01:00:08.940 Nobody says that about it.

01:00:09.700 Look what they do.

01:00:10.340 I don't know because my priest can have sex and get married.

01:00:13.040 Okay, great.

01:00:13.740 Yeah.

01:00:14.080 That's dope.

01:00:14.500 Catholic priests.

01:00:15.360 Look what they do when you block something.

01:00:17.380 He's not a Catholic.

01:00:18.040 I'm not a Catholic.

01:00:18.720 I don't know, okay?

01:00:19.580 I don't know shit about religion, but you look at Catholic priests.

01:00:22.340 You block them from something.

01:00:24.080 Now they're doing it in real fucked up, unsafe ways.

01:00:26.620 Wait.

01:00:27.040 Wait.

01:00:27.360 Wow.

01:00:27.720 So if you block porn.

01:00:28.620 What a crazy good point.

01:00:29.960 You know what?

01:00:30.320 It really is.

01:00:30.840 This is a crazy good point.

01:00:31.720 I just snapped.

01:00:32.560 For instance, you're right.

01:00:35.860 A Catholic priest is going to be probably 10, 20 times higher than the average person when

01:00:40.700 it comes to going after kids that way.

01:00:43.980 That's true.

01:00:44.720 Yeah.

01:00:45.040 But teachers are about 100 times more likely to do it in public schools where it's

01:00:48.520 mandatory that you send your kids.

01:00:51.500 I wasn't talking about teachers.

01:00:52.840 I'm talking about priests.

01:00:53.800 Yeah.

01:00:54.100 Just saying.

01:00:54.840 I'm talking about priests.

01:00:55.420 But wait.

01:00:55.620 Wait.

01:00:55.800 It's taboo.

01:00:56.720 You know who's going on?

01:00:57.220 Hang on.

01:00:57.540 It's taboo in both.

01:00:58.460 But here, you're worried about priests, whereas the mandate is that you send your kids

01:01:02.820 to public school, their likelihood of getting assaulted there is way, way higher by the

01:01:07.680 staff and teachers.

01:01:08.900 So I'm not sure this is a great point for you.

01:01:10.800 No, it's a great point.

01:01:11.700 Is it really?

01:01:12.680 Yeah.

01:01:13.160 Much higher.

01:01:13.880 Almost 100 times higher.

01:01:14.720 Let's pull that up.

01:01:15.740 Yeah.

01:01:16.120 Regardless.

01:01:16.840 I'm okay getting rid of schools too.

01:01:18.520 Let's do it.

01:01:19.060 I'm not saying only priests do it.

01:01:20.000 I'm saying when you put rules on things, I feel like, and this could be wrong, I feel

01:01:24.260 like all my friends wanted to smoke weed when it was buying it off drug dealers.

01:01:27.660 And then when Canada legalized it, ah, weed's not my thing.

01:01:30.740 People want to do what they can't.

01:01:32.000 So if you block porn, it's just, and I was smoking some bad shit.

01:01:35.300 I had some bad trips.

01:01:36.640 Porn, that could happen to porn.

01:01:37.980 If you're going to get sketchy fucking weird dudes making girls do things they don't want,

01:01:41.580 there's no safe words or regulations.

01:01:43.020 Oh man, that's crazy.

01:01:43.600 So I guess we should get rid of stop signs, stop lights, traffic laws, traffic ordinances.

01:01:48.260 No, you should regulate and make everything safe.

01:01:49.840 In fact, if you've got a speed limit, if there's a speed limit there, then that's what you're

01:01:53.940 going to do.

01:01:54.340 You're going to break it because the speed limit's there.

01:01:56.700 Less.

01:01:57.380 Yes.

01:01:57.840 I mean, I do break the speed limit.

01:01:59.080 Less.

01:01:59.100 On the Autobahn?

01:02:00.140 And where is it?

01:02:00.720 Germany?

01:02:01.220 No speed limit.

01:02:02.280 And guess what?

01:02:03.140 Less fucking accidents, Andrew.

01:02:05.280 God!

01:02:05.680 The less accidents which happen in the Autobahn, do you know why that is?

01:02:10.260 Because men are driving.

01:02:12.000 Because it's...

01:02:12.700 Well, yeah.

01:02:13.580 But, no.

01:02:14.840 Do you know why that is?

01:02:16.280 Do you think if they put a speed limit on the Autobahn that suddenly there would be a

01:02:19.320 bunch more accidents?

01:02:21.340 I don't know, dude.

01:02:22.180 One could argue.

01:02:23.420 Then argue it.

01:02:24.660 I don't know.

01:02:25.340 You don't know?

01:02:26.240 I don't know.

01:02:27.160 No one knows until it happens.

01:02:28.220 So I just want to make sure that we got this right.

01:02:29.780 There's a four-way cross, right?

01:02:31.400 Four ways.

01:02:33.080 You want to take the stop signs out of that, right?

01:02:36.580 No, I'm not saying that.

01:02:37.500 Well, I don't know.

01:02:38.000 I'm saying you shouldn't...

01:02:38.640 No, no, no.

01:02:39.160 If the stop sign's there, your impulse is going to be, I'm not stopping for you, motherfucker!

01:02:43.620 No, my point is that you shouldn't cancel porn because it'll make it a shitty, unsafe

01:02:46.880 place and more bad shit will go wrong.

01:02:48.100 Yeah, what's going to be worse than the exploitation of kids up to 1,500 times the rate of before

01:02:55.120 we had porn legalized?

01:02:56.420 What's going to be worse than that?

01:02:57.660 The porn companies that have nothing to do with the kids.

01:03:01.540 Nothing.

01:03:02.080 Bro, okay, you're right.

01:03:04.380 The smoking companies have nothing to do with the cancer.

01:03:07.580 Right.

01:03:07.880 I don't think you should just wake up one day and want to like bang kids.

01:03:10.180 You think a big porn company, I'm not going to tiny names in the same sentence, but a

01:03:13.820 big one has anything to do with child porn?

01:03:15.700 They don't at all.

01:03:17.120 Bro.

01:03:17.780 They're regulating shit like a corporate business.

01:03:20.180 Dude, don't say that word, child this, because of YouTube.

01:03:23.920 I don't mind the words.

01:03:24.680 Sure.

01:03:24.980 I love getting into it.

01:03:25.960 Got it.

01:03:26.440 CP, CP.

01:03:27.400 Don't even say that.

01:03:28.420 Just say CD.

01:03:29.780 So anyway.

01:03:30.040 You said CP.

01:03:30.700 Yeah, yeah, I did.

01:03:32.100 You're right.

01:03:32.920 But anyways, so back to this, just so you understand.

01:03:36.880 What you're saying would be the equivalent of me saying tobacco companies have nothing to do with one cancer.

01:03:39.660 Chris donated $100.

01:03:41.860 You guys argue like the of bimbos that come on.

01:03:44.800 I got a lot of things after this.

01:03:45.920 You're making valid points and nervously laugh when making them.

01:03:48.280 Is Andrew your secret weapon?

01:03:49.780 And then look at each other for affirmation and support while giggling at each other.

01:03:53.280 Cringe.

01:03:54.020 I can't get a word in.

01:03:54.940 You guys are just crazy talking.

01:03:55.400 You're not talking.

01:03:56.180 I barely talk either.

01:03:57.400 I'm trying to talk.

01:03:57.980 I'm going to have a smoke.

01:03:59.000 I'll let you go.

01:03:59.840 I want to have a smoke.

01:04:00.960 Oh, okay.

01:04:01.700 You go smoke and dip.

01:04:03.160 That's a sin, man.

01:04:04.180 Yeah, that is a sin.

01:04:04.980 It's not a sin.

01:04:05.580 It isn't?

01:04:06.120 We'll get into it as soon as he's back from smoke.

01:04:07.600 What about the shot we did before the show?

01:04:09.300 Not a sin.

01:04:09.980 Okay.

01:04:10.800 Andrew is Molly.

01:04:14.160 Molly.

01:04:14.760 There it is.

01:04:15.820 All right, guys.

01:04:16.700 Andrew's going on a brief smoke break.

01:04:18.740 He'll be back just momentarily.

01:04:20.820 Nick, why don't you pull up the stats really quick because we mentioned it earlier.

01:04:26.380 I saw you guys texting, and that's another bonus that we don't have.

01:04:31.880 What?

01:04:32.080 Him and I.

01:04:32.580 What are you and I going to text him?

01:04:33.900 They have to call a friend.

01:04:35.260 They have to ask the audience.

01:04:36.300 Hold on.

01:04:36.820 Hold on.

01:04:37.340 Hold on.

01:04:37.540 So this is for our most recent, we've done, I think this is from 181 episodes of ours.

01:04:46.920 We've done 185.

01:04:48.180 So the percentage is about 20%.

01:04:52.660 About 20% sex workers, 80% quote unquote normal women on the show.

01:04:58.180 So the majority of the women we have on the show are normal, non-sex workers, civilian women.

01:05:04.620 Right.

01:05:04.660 They take just to the face without a camera.

01:05:06.520 Which of your clips are the most viral?

01:05:08.540 Honestly, the ones without sex workers.

01:05:10.760 No, really.

01:05:11.320 Some of our most viral moments, not a sex worker.

01:05:14.280 Granted, we have had viral moments with sex workers.

01:05:17.580 Maybe that's my algorithm then.

01:05:19.260 It certainly could be.

01:05:21.000 Nick, we're going to pull up the super chat.

01:05:23.280 All right, we have Nathaniel Cook.

01:05:24.540 You say that you shouldn't yell at an 18-year-old because she's young slash little girl, yet you would F an 18-year-old.

01:05:30.840 Would you say that you are F-ing?

01:05:33.760 Okay, well, that last part.

01:05:35.540 Yeah, yeah, that's a little much.

01:05:36.520 Yeah.

01:05:36.840 But I mean, I think in one of your maybe Instagram stories, Ryan, you said something along the lines of this 40-year-old.

01:05:45.840 By the way, we're like the same age.

01:05:48.320 Almost.

01:05:48.840 Yeah, I'm the 40-year-old.

01:05:50.780 Something like he brings on these 18, 19-year-old girls and he just yell, disrespects them.

01:05:58.340 But it's like I will certainly concede that occasionally I will get flustered or frustrated or sometimes lose my cool and I'll get frustrated.

01:06:09.340 The girl will be like, what the fuck?

01:06:10.520 You know, whatever it is.

01:06:12.080 But I would assume you're totally fine with 18-year-old women doing like hardcore porn.

01:06:19.860 I don't know.

01:06:20.680 I think it's a little young to start.

01:06:22.920 But they can.

01:06:23.460 The advice that the veterans do give 18, 19, 20-year-old girls is, wait a bit.

01:06:29.420 Maybe you're a little young to start.

01:06:31.360 And I back that.

01:06:33.120 Right.

01:06:33.320 But you can't be mad at someone for using the law to their advantage, right?

01:06:37.160 Like if you can buy cigarettes at 18, you're going to go do it.

01:06:40.700 Sure.

01:06:41.400 Yeah, they can do it.

01:06:42.460 Like, do I think 18-year-olds are gross?

01:06:44.980 Yes.

01:06:45.400 I don't think they should jump in that young, to be honest.

01:06:47.840 Fair enough.

01:06:48.260 I did want to talk to you guys.

01:06:49.900 So, Ryan, you have a lot of these OnlyFans girls on their shows.

01:06:54.940 I think this goes beyond.

01:06:57.200 This is actually one of my big criticisms that, not of you, but this.

01:07:03.220 And will you, do you have an OnlyFans?

01:07:05.140 I think you might.

01:07:06.500 But I don't know if you post anything.

01:07:07.900 Yeah, so Pillow Talk does.

01:07:09.040 We posted six clips.

01:07:10.560 Okay.

01:07:10.800 And it's where I have them fuck on the show.

01:07:12.880 But you're not in any of the videos, correct?

01:07:15.160 No, I sit there and I interview them while they fuck.

01:07:17.580 Okay.

01:07:17.900 I think I saw a clip on your Twitter.

01:07:20.900 So, you're just in the corner.

01:07:23.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:24.080 In any case.

01:07:24.960 If people are going to hate on me, they call me a cuck.

01:07:26.460 Easiest thing to say.

01:07:27.540 So, one of, I guess, the criticisms I've had.

01:07:29.940 How's that not?

01:07:30.720 Well, I.

01:07:31.640 Wait.

01:07:32.160 What, to just watch someone have sex?

01:07:33.060 Well, if you Google what a cuck means, it's you like watching your wife get fucked.

01:07:35.720 That wouldn't be, yeah, that wouldn't be cuckery.

01:07:36.900 I mean, I'll watch.

01:07:37.700 It's just.

01:07:38.120 People fuck.

01:07:38.640 It's just odd.

01:07:40.120 Yeah, definitely.

01:07:41.100 But do you commentate?

01:07:42.320 Do you do color commentary like NFL?

01:07:44.260 Like while there?

01:07:45.140 Yeah.

01:07:45.380 So, what do you.

01:07:47.280 Yeah, I do.

01:07:47.640 How does it go?

01:07:48.480 So, we've done it.

01:07:49.520 We've done it five times now.

01:07:51.180 What?

01:07:52.080 No, but it's content.

01:07:53.920 So, our most viral episode.

01:07:55.560 So, really what Pillow Talk is, it's kind of bringing mainstream comedy, you know, Barstool

01:08:00.600 of rated R.

01:08:02.380 So, of porn industry.

01:08:03.420 So, it's comedy, fun, sex, positive, have fun.

01:08:06.500 It's a comedy show, right?

01:08:09.060 Every now and then, I like to shock the world and go a little viral.

01:08:12.580 So, our most viral episode is we had this guy, Jake Marshall at stage four cancer begging

01:08:16.880 me to meet his two dream porn stars, Kazumi and Nikki Benz.

01:08:19.680 So, I flew him down to be on the show and meet them.

01:08:22.540 It was his dying wish.

01:08:24.100 And we surprised him with a fucking threesome where they fuck him on the show.

01:08:29.480 Did he die?

01:08:30.500 Best day of his life.

01:08:31.160 And then, we sold that.

01:08:33.240 I told him I'd split the money with him 50-50, sell it on OnlyFans, $15 to see the whole

01:08:37.180 episode.

01:08:37.920 Went crazy.

01:08:38.660 Did very well.

01:08:39.620 That money got him into special intensive care unit, saved his fucking life and got

01:08:43.400 rid of the cancer.

01:08:45.600 Dude, true story.

01:08:48.060 So, not mad at that.

01:08:51.040 One thing I did want to get in when it came to OnlyFans.

01:08:54.560 So, let's even just put aside.

01:08:55.820 Do you want to fuck two porn stars to save your cancer?

01:08:58.520 No.

01:08:59.020 Or you would just pray?

01:09:00.040 No.

01:09:00.240 Mind you.

01:09:00.760 So, hold on.

01:09:01.160 Hold on, hold on.

01:09:01.740 Guys, guys, guys.

01:09:02.160 Wouldn't fuck two porn stars ever.

01:09:04.260 So, let's just put aside the criticisms of the actual nudity.

01:09:07.840 I think Indian food's gross.

01:09:08.920 So, let's put aside the criticisms of the actual nudity and stuff.

01:09:13.960 One thing a lot of OnlyFans girls are engaged in is, so, one component of OnlyFans, and I'm

01:09:19.880 not really an expert in it, but I've heard from girls themselves, is they offer essentially,

01:09:27.240 and I think the way they, maybe they get it through tips or they charge for chats.

01:09:31.160 To be able to message the girls, to be able to message the girls, the guys have to pay

01:09:34.720 the money, and the girls represent that it's them, like the girl talking to the guy.

01:09:44.340 I see where you're going.

01:09:45.100 And what's actually happening?

01:09:47.340 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:09:48.180 Hold on.

01:09:48.560 Hold on.

01:09:48.660 I don't like to promote that part of it because it cock blocks my girl's back.

01:09:52.680 Well, so, and I, as a courtesy.

01:09:54.020 Oh, we can talk about it.

01:09:54.780 We can talk about it.

01:09:55.320 Yeah, so, actually, as a courtesy, if we do-

01:09:57.880 So, those guys are actually gay.

01:09:59.140 Hold on.

01:09:59.620 Hold on.

01:09:59.920 Hold on.

01:10:00.160 Let me just make my point.

01:10:02.000 So, as a courtesy, a lot of the time, I will actually, since they're coming on, because

01:10:07.500 I don't want to, like, unless they're super rude, I'll refrain from bringing up this criticism

01:10:12.560 of OnlyFans, just so, whatever.

01:10:14.060 But, so, they have what's called typers in chat, or chatters, where it's not them who's

01:10:19.880 chatting, not the girl specifically who's chatting to the men, but it's some guy, a male.

01:10:25.040 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:10:26.020 Hold on.

01:10:26.960 It's a male in the Philippines who's pretending to be her, but these girls are representing,

01:10:34.480 are saying, you're talking to me.

01:10:36.780 Bro, women lie.

01:10:38.060 Sure, but hold on.

01:10:39.320 Hold on.

01:10:40.140 But, so, when you're-

01:10:42.420 I'm not tweeting at Wendy when I'm tweeting at Wendy's.

01:10:45.020 No, but hold on.

01:10:45.400 You know what I mean?

01:10:46.280 Like, I'm just like, I know.

01:10:47.640 Hold on.

01:10:47.920 Let me make my argument.

01:10:49.260 So, when you're advertising a product, and if you're saying, you can talk to me, I'm the

01:10:56.180 one talking to you, and you're charging money for it, this is actually fraud.

01:11:01.580 It's fraudulent to say, you're talking to me, but it's some dude in the Philippines.

01:11:06.160 In fact, you're basically, like, forcing that dude to be kind of gay.

01:11:10.520 I don't know if it's gay.

01:11:11.300 Like, if he's sexting.

01:11:12.980 I get your point.

01:11:13.600 I get your point.

01:11:14.460 You know what I mean?

01:11:14.920 It's a very good point.

01:11:15.620 But it's a but.

01:11:16.220 You're looking-

01:11:16.900 Non-consensually making him gay.

01:11:19.100 Yeah, but you're looking at sex work as sex work, and not that as a business.

01:11:23.240 And that's just delegating some responsibilities.

01:11:25.040 So, Brian, I hear your points, and it's a good one.

01:11:27.260 You raise a good point there.

01:11:28.580 The Sistine Chapel wasn't painted by Michelangelo alone, right?

01:11:31.240 He had assistants, and that's what these OnlyFans chatters are.

01:11:34.120 They're helping me fulfill my dream of fucking living on an island and making a million

01:11:38.320 dollars a year.

01:11:38.760 You know what I really think?

01:11:39.760 Sure.

01:11:40.060 What do you think?

01:11:40.940 I don't think they care.

01:11:41.840 The guys.

01:11:42.640 I don't think they fucking care.

01:11:43.280 Because they're just getting the content to whack off to.

01:11:45.020 They know.

01:11:45.740 Well, if a documentary came out exposing this, I bet the numbers wouldn't fucking change,

01:11:50.220 and the guys are still there chatting.

01:11:51.480 This is why AI is coming out, and it's blowing up.

01:11:55.220 Yeah, then the AI will take it.

01:11:55.740 I didn't think it was going to work.

01:11:56.600 I was like, no, they want to talk.

01:11:57.700 They think they're talking to Angela White when they're not.

01:12:00.100 No, no, no.

01:12:01.100 They don't fucking care.

01:12:02.300 They want to jerk off and be sexting who they think is them.

01:12:05.560 They probably deep down know.

01:12:06.740 They don't have time to answer a million people.

01:12:08.380 I'm not sure.

01:12:08.480 There's enough mentally ill men who are like, I don't care.

01:12:11.000 I'm lonely after a long day of work.

01:12:13.020 I'm going to talk to a fake girl.

01:12:15.700 Well, there's two things here.

01:12:16.820 So, yes, there are the men who they subscribe to the OnlyFans, and they mostly care about

01:12:21.500 the images, and maybe the talking, the chatting is secondary to them, and they, whatever, it's

01:12:27.040 some fucking bot, robot, assistant, person, third-party fiver in the Philippines.

01:12:32.080 Sure.

01:12:32.460 But then, I would argue, I would say most of the men that are subscribing to the OnlyFans,

01:12:38.780 and part of, there's this sort of, I don't know if it's parasocial, but they're almost

01:12:43.320 selling this girlfriend experience, too, and then that's when these girls are going

01:12:47.780 to sort of, oh, I'm single.

01:12:52.360 I'm actually romantically interested in you.

01:12:54.940 Continue financially supporting in me, and at the end of the rainbow, potentially, there's

01:13:00.640 a chance to be in a relationship with these girls.

01:13:03.600 Of course, this is never the case.

01:13:04.960 They typically have boyfriends, which they hide.

01:13:06.820 But speaking strictly on the whole chatter typer thing, I would say most of these men

01:13:12.140 are naive.

01:13:13.220 They don't know.

01:13:14.420 And so, if they do believe that, if you're selling a service, you can talk to me, but

01:13:19.100 it's actually some person being paid minimum wage in, uh...

01:13:24.220 Yeah, it's lip-syncing.

01:13:25.300 Whatever it is.

01:13:25.980 You think Bieber runs his own Twitter?

01:13:27.320 They're just lip-syncing.

01:13:28.000 When he's tweeting back in Spanish, that's the same thing.

01:13:30.200 They don't fucking care.

01:13:31.360 Bieber tweeted me.

01:13:32.520 If so...

01:13:33.040 They want to believe it.

01:13:34.040 They want to believe it.

01:13:34.800 Well, I'll even, then I'll make the same claim for Justin Bieber.

01:13:37.180 If he's advertising, that he's, you can speak directly to me, and if you subscribe to my

01:13:42.040 Twitter, then yes, but if he's saying, you can speak with me, I do think it's fraud.

01:13:45.940 Are you asking if that's fraud?

01:13:47.020 Yeah, sure.

01:13:47.460 It's absolutely fraud.

01:13:47.800 But so is the full self-drive from Tesla.

01:13:49.900 Fraud is all around us.

01:13:51.000 Why do we care that a bunch of fucking losers are being scammed out of their money over naked

01:13:55.000 photos?

01:13:55.340 Do you really care about those people?

01:13:56.800 I don't.

01:13:57.360 Photos is one thing, but the conversation...

01:13:58.900 I bet if this came out, it would make Netflix peace and shock the world.

01:14:00.220 Who cares?

01:14:00.380 The people are just lonely.

01:14:01.560 People are lonely.

01:14:02.380 I bet you'd be surprised how little they fucking care.

01:14:06.520 I bet.

01:14:06.740 So you don't have any objections to the fraud?

01:14:08.140 I don't care because a fool being separated from his money is capitalism.

01:14:11.700 I see what you're saying.

01:14:12.880 It is capitalism.

01:14:13.860 There's an ethical line on it because you could argue some of them do push it to the, come

01:14:19.700 chat with me.

01:14:20.680 Bro, the hot girl's not going to fuck me because I drink a Bud Light, regardless of what their

01:14:24.060 fucking commercial says.

01:14:25.000 But why are these guys giving the money for it?

01:14:27.060 If you're buying pictures, sure, but to just send money, 800 bucks to a girl, you think

01:14:31.620 she's going to fuck you, bro?

01:14:33.340 No, I'm not saying...

01:14:34.080 You don't honestly, like realistically, in everything that goes on in the world in terms of capitalism

01:14:39.360 and making money, you don't really give a fuck that these dudes are being scammed out

01:14:44.520 of a dollar at a time.

01:14:45.960 You really do?

01:14:46.680 Yes, of course.

01:14:47.600 But I object to the other ways in the world in which people are getting scammed or fucked

01:14:52.400 over too.

01:14:52.980 Now, I see your stance on that, and I'm not going to argue that it's good that they're

01:14:56.200 doing this, but I actually...

01:14:57.860 That's automation.

01:14:58.520 I don't think the guys would give a fuck.

01:14:59.880 Like, that's maximizing your pussy.

01:15:01.940 That's all these guys are doing.

01:15:03.200 These girls are like, I work hard, work hard.

01:15:04.760 So look, even if we're fine with the nudity, they can still do it, but I think misrepresenting...

01:15:10.080 Besides that, it's a way of contradicting.

01:15:10.980 You know, come in the champagne room, find out if I'm going to fuck you, I don't fuck at

01:15:15.340 the champagne room after 10 songs.

01:15:16.660 It's contradictory to your own world view.

01:15:18.300 Your world view is you're fucking delusional.

01:15:20.240 You pray to the sky daddy who doesn't exist.

01:15:22.840 But if you want the delusion of chatting with somebody who doesn't exist on the other end,

01:15:28.300 that's fine as long as I can make some fucking money.

01:15:30.640 However, if the religious are pushing that, that's bad because it's what?

01:15:34.760 Yeah, but I'm not arguing that against you.

01:15:36.560 I didn't come in here attacking a religion.

01:15:37.980 I was just saying that they're both equal.

01:15:39.980 You said it's literally mental illness.

01:15:42.120 Yes, it is.

01:15:42.760 Okay, well then how's that not an attack?

01:15:44.600 But isn't that an attack?

01:15:45.240 But that's just my opinion.

01:15:46.240 I don't fucking stand on the corner.

01:15:47.080 It's still an attack, whether it's your opinion or not.

01:15:49.300 I'm sorry for attacking you.

01:15:50.420 Well, you're not attacking me.

01:15:51.500 You're attacking the religion, though.

01:15:53.140 Right, but you don't have to wear the hat.

01:15:54.320 And so I'm attacking the idea that this fraud is fine because you happen to make fucking

01:15:58.140 money from it.

01:15:58.840 Yeah, but religion is also fraud.

01:15:59.260 I give money and then you'll get into heaven.

01:16:01.160 No, you know what?

01:16:01.720 Religion has tons of fraud.

01:16:02.600 There's nothing to do with money.

01:16:03.640 There's no fraud in religion?

01:16:04.200 No, of course there is.

01:16:05.220 And it's all wrong.

01:16:06.820 All fraud in religion is wrong.

01:16:08.180 But then why are you part of it?

01:16:09.520 Because I don't believe that all churches are fraudulent.

01:16:12.980 And I don't believe that at all?

01:16:14.580 That they have an epistemic belief structure.

01:16:16.840 I don't believe that all sex workers are what you think there.

01:16:20.460 Yeah, great, but you are defending this.

01:16:22.840 You say this is fine.

01:16:24.000 This fraud is fine.

01:16:24.940 There's nothing wrong with it because it makes you money.

01:16:27.380 That's capitalist, baby.

01:16:27.740 No, because there's no harm.

01:16:29.040 The delusion is fine.

01:16:29.700 There's no one being harmed there.

01:16:31.000 There is people objective.

01:16:32.660 Not only are there objectively victims here of this fraud, which would be A, the guy who

01:16:37.620 thinks he's having this parasocial relationship with this chick.

01:16:40.920 But then two, this woman illicitly getting the money this way, it's even harmful to her.

01:16:45.680 There's two victims.

01:16:46.840 Do you victimize yourself?

01:16:48.180 I lie every time I had to get laid.

01:16:50.720 Right?

01:16:51.240 That's we both.

01:16:52.020 It's a dance.

01:16:52.780 It's a dance.

01:16:53.940 We both are lying.

01:16:55.040 If you are delusional, if you think every person's honest.

01:16:57.000 What do you mean you're lying to get laid?

01:16:58.320 When you're fucking 19 and trying to go to a bar, you're lying about how nice your place is.

01:17:03.160 This is my car, not my parents.

01:17:04.020 Right.

01:17:04.260 Like, you're literally doing everything you can to get to your goal.

01:17:08.280 Do you?

01:17:08.760 I mean, when you were 25, were you lying to get laid?

01:17:12.240 Probably.

01:17:14.420 Probably.

01:17:15.000 What's the deal?

01:17:15.500 Well, who cares?

01:17:16.720 Well, I mean, I would think that women would care.

01:17:19.680 I'm not lying like, hey, you know, I'm lying like, hey, it's 12 inches.

01:17:23.000 That's my life.

01:17:23.500 Hang on.

01:17:23.920 So then, just to get this right, let's say you wake up in the morning.

01:17:27.180 Yep.

01:17:27.680 All right.

01:17:28.360 And you take off the pants of the girl who's next to you, and there's a penis there because

01:17:32.340 it was a transgender person.

01:17:33.760 Bro, you think if I went to bed and didn't suck that dick the night before, I would know

01:17:37.360 that there's a penis.

01:17:38.780 What?

01:17:39.600 Would you feel like you were defrauded if a woman took you home, and you took off their

01:17:44.420 pants, and there was a penis?

01:17:45.580 Would that be fraud?

01:17:46.500 I would blame myself for not checking.

01:17:48.560 It's your fault.

01:17:49.300 It is.

01:17:50.000 They had nothing to do with it.

01:17:51.240 Yeah.

01:17:51.360 They weren't misrepresenting themselves.

01:17:53.880 They weren't doing any of that.

01:17:57.360 Probably.

01:17:58.180 Yeah.

01:17:58.480 Probably.

01:17:59.180 And he would say, hey, you shouldn't be fucking doing that.

01:18:02.620 That's totally wrong, right?

01:18:04.120 You have great tits.

01:18:05.080 Transcenders should disclose.

01:18:07.160 I have a dick, by the way.

01:18:08.260 I know that you think I'm a woman, but I have a penis.

01:18:10.320 Why?

01:18:11.300 Because otherwise it's fraud?

01:18:14.420 Because otherwise you're being dishonest, and you are taking advantage of another person?

01:18:18.960 I think that's actually meeting someone in person is a lot different than just having

01:18:22.640 faceless DMs.

01:18:23.580 I know a girl that gave a guy a blowjob.

01:18:25.040 He played on the Blue Jays, and she gave him a blowjob in the bathroom at a bar we were

01:18:28.400 all at at a sports bar, and she ran out and said, I just sucked his dick, and I have a

01:18:31.780 dick.

01:18:32.740 And that's not cool.

01:18:33.920 No, it's not.

01:18:34.780 What?

01:18:34.900 Because he thought it was a woman.

01:18:35.760 Yeah.

01:18:36.080 It seems like misrepresenting yourself.

01:18:38.200 It sounds like assault.

01:18:38.940 Yes, exactly.

01:18:39.800 It sounds like misrepresenting yourself, and fraud can do some serious damage, like lying

01:18:43.220 to a woman.

01:18:43.620 I would argue that lying to a woman in order to bed her would also, that would be taking

01:18:48.780 advantage of her.

01:18:49.260 How is an ugly guy like me supposed to get laid, bro?

01:18:51.680 I guess with some honesty.

01:18:55.020 I guess with some honesty.

01:18:56.400 You got a lot of status.

01:18:57.740 I got a lot, yeah.

01:18:58.400 You got a good following.

01:18:59.860 Okay.

01:19:00.200 You got your own company, brand, and you should make good money.

01:19:02.440 Sure, but we all lie to each other every fucking day.

01:19:04.840 That doesn't mean it's a-

01:19:05.200 She wears makeup, fucking, she's face-tuning photos, I'm lying about how much money I have.

01:19:12.780 But there are-

01:19:13.800 What?

01:19:14.440 What?

01:19:15.140 Come on, dude.

01:19:16.400 What?

01:19:17.140 You're lying to your girl about how much money you have?

01:19:19.240 No, my girlfriend.

01:19:19.980 I'm saying when I was younger.

01:19:21.340 No, when you were younger.

01:19:21.780 He's just joking around.

01:19:22.640 I'm bussing balls.

01:19:23.580 I'm just saying there's a difference between waking up with someone and having sexual intercourse

01:19:27.980 and being defrauded that way versus faceless DMs, right?

01:19:31.120 It's like, I don't freak out if I'm catfished.

01:19:32.820 What I'm saying, the logic of the two positions is that you're being catfished in both scenarios.

01:19:39.600 It's being misrepresented.

01:19:40.320 One has a less smaller victim.

01:19:41.660 One has almost no victim.

01:19:42.860 No, there's still victims in both.

01:19:45.100 Who cares?

01:19:46.080 Yeah, I care.

01:19:47.160 It's the same reason you do about the trans thing.

01:19:49.600 Well, no.

01:19:50.260 You care?

01:19:51.000 One sec, one sec, one sec.

01:19:51.980 One sec, one sec.

01:19:52.280 Knowing the truth should be considered sexual assault.

01:19:55.060 Guy in the hat looks like he doesn't shower.

01:19:58.660 Yes.

01:19:59.640 These people are funny.

01:20:00.620 These are great.

01:20:01.320 I love these guys.

01:20:01.940 Just like your logic is that sexual assault should have disclosed it, totally lying, in

01:20:09.600 order to defraud somebody for some type of sexual gratification, it's the same fucking

01:20:13.700 thing.

01:20:14.160 Tell me how it's not.

01:20:14.980 You know what?

01:20:15.480 I can't wait to see when it does get exposed that there are chatters, how the money and

01:20:20.460 how the economy of OnlyFans stays the exact fucking same.

01:20:23.660 And that's all there is to know about it.

01:20:24.920 Yeah, but you're not answering to the question, though.

01:20:27.400 How is it not fraud the same way it would be?

01:20:30.080 It's fraud and the dude runs out and goes, I'm a dude.

01:20:32.860 Just suck this guy off.

01:20:33.900 He didn't know I was a dude.

01:20:34.780 But would you agree?

01:20:35.480 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:20:36.140 No celebrity has time to manage their message.

01:20:38.440 Let me ask you.

01:20:38.840 They don't have time.

01:20:39.540 Would you agree that there's degrees of fraud?

01:20:42.940 Waking up with someone or just being like, someone just milked me for $100?

01:20:46.560 Yeah, I agree.

01:20:47.280 Right.

01:20:48.000 And that's it.

01:20:48.460 I've got to leave you in the trenches.

01:20:49.480 I've had eight waters.

01:20:50.240 But you've still got to agree with me that even if there's degrees to it, it's still

01:20:55.300 all bad.

01:20:55.940 I'm not disagreeing with you.

01:20:56.880 And if it's all bad, get rid of it.

01:20:58.740 But to me, I'm like, eh, harmless victims.

01:21:00.860 Just a bunch of bros who got defrauded.

01:21:03.220 It happens with crypto.

01:21:04.320 It happens with fucking rug pulls.

01:21:05.340 Waving away the fact that many of these women will sucker these guys in for their entire

01:21:09.880 life savings.

01:21:11.060 And sometimes it's not even...

01:21:12.580 Okay, can I ask you a question, though, dude?

01:21:14.200 Like, you're obviously an intelligent human being.

01:21:19.060 Would you ever find yourself in a position to be sending your life savings to a woman?

01:21:23.020 Me?

01:21:23.120 At that point, you would look at that guy's the clown in that situation.

01:21:26.200 Fraud or no, you're like, you're a little bit nuts.

01:21:27.820 But I also understand that I was born with a symmetrical shape, right?

01:21:31.460 That when I was in my younger years, especially, I was a very handsome guy.

01:21:34.980 Can we pull up the photo?

01:21:36.060 It was very easy.

01:21:36.700 We're going to pull up the photo.

01:21:37.500 It was very easy for me to have...

01:21:38.880 Is that you?

01:21:39.580 No.

01:21:39.940 It was very easy for me to have relationships with women.

01:21:42.800 Right.

01:21:42.980 There's many, many men who I talk to all over the world who are intelligent, but they

01:21:47.680 fall for these delusions because...

01:21:49.660 That a porn star wants to date them, bro?

01:21:51.380 Yes, because they're...

01:21:51.780 That's like me being like, Scarlett Johansson's been texting me all week.

01:21:54.460 The thing is, is that through overt propagandization, people can believe many things, which make

01:22:00.560 no sense.

01:22:01.120 Man, they're dumb.

01:22:01.960 They're dumb.

01:22:02.620 It's not just dumb.

01:22:03.400 No, bro, come on.

01:22:04.000 If you heard your boy spend his life savings on an OnlyFans girl, you'd be like, bro, what

01:22:08.020 are you, a retard?

01:22:08.400 Yeah, okay.

01:22:08.840 Okay, but I've seen very intelligent men spend their entire life savings on a bad woman

01:22:15.420 they end up marrying, too.

01:22:16.760 So that's it.

01:22:17.340 The thing is, though, is that that's not their fault that that happened.

01:22:21.460 If you're never meeting...

01:22:23.580 Just one sec, just one sec.

01:22:24.700 I've had sex with 450-plus women, and I've never had to lie once.

01:22:29.460 You can do it without fraud.

01:22:31.500 If you're going to pay, you might as well do it in person.

01:22:35.120 I'm not a saint, but I'm also not a simp.

01:22:38.400 Yeah, thank you, Law Paladins.

01:22:39.480 Good to see you, Chad.

01:22:40.260 Thank you.

01:22:40.280 I love when a guy brags about banging 450 women.

01:22:41.960 Legend, yeah, sick, bro.

01:22:42.880 I thought it was like 500 last show.

01:22:44.420 What happened?

01:22:44.940 He said 450-plus.

01:22:46.740 Oh, 450 women.

01:22:48.000 450 dudes.

01:22:49.060 No, plus.

01:22:49.880 He said plus.

01:22:50.860 Okay.

01:22:51.600 Yeah, plus.

01:22:51.960 Do you know these guys at this point, pretty much?

01:22:54.220 Yeah, I've gone camping with a couple of them.

01:22:56.180 Are they weird?

01:22:57.100 Do you find it weird that dudes tip you?

01:22:59.140 Do I find it weird?

01:22:59.720 Do you feel like a whore?

01:23:00.840 No, I don't think it's weird for people to pay for good entertainment.

01:23:03.320 It's patronage.

01:23:04.100 Patronage.

01:23:04.600 Yeah, like I go watch movies, I don't find that weird.

01:23:06.540 And that's why guys pay on OnlyFans, because they're getting entertained.

01:23:10.700 Yeah, so there's going to be types of entertainment which are terrible for you.

01:23:14.880 Like, for instance, if we had a gladiatorial ring where dudes had fucking gladiuses, I wish.

01:23:19.560 They hacked each other to pieces.

01:23:21.040 Yes, please.

01:23:21.540 I'm sure that that would be entertaining, but it would also be barbaric, brutal, it would

01:23:24.840 be bad for you to watch it, it would be good for you to have it.

01:23:27.600 I miss those days.

01:23:28.240 It would lead to mass exploitation, it would lead to probably a new form of slavery, it

01:23:32.200 would be a fucking awful.

01:23:33.340 So what are the bad points?

01:23:36.900 I feel like...

01:23:38.060 Well done.

01:23:38.740 Well done.

01:23:39.180 The trolling almost got me a little bit there.

01:23:40.700 If you were in charge of the country, it would just be a little bit fucking boring, you know?

01:23:46.880 You would probably cancel UFC, you would probably cancel UFC, I'm a commercial litigation lawyer.

01:23:53.200 Hearing these guys' view on commercial fraud has me very curious how by the books their

01:23:58.140 coom operation is run.

01:23:59.940 I assume your counsel is blowing up your phone, Lamal.

01:24:03.220 Yes, my lawyer's texting me right now.

01:24:05.020 I almost wonder if there's like...

01:24:07.960 Oh, is that what it means?

01:24:08.300 If it could be a class action lawsuit.

01:24:11.180 Cooming, gooning, it's all...

01:24:12.560 Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you.

01:24:13.760 Like, if they get clipped, fine.

01:24:15.280 But like, I don't feel for these...

01:24:16.900 These aren't victims to me.

01:24:18.060 To me, of all the shit that happens in the world, a bunch of dudes being scammed out of

01:24:21.960 a bunch of money over like them thinking they're dating fucking Sky Bree, like bro,

01:24:27.560 there's bigger fish to fry this world.

01:24:28.960 There's a documentary coming out.

01:24:30.320 They say it's going on Hulu, maybe not.

01:24:31.980 I hope it is.

01:24:32.560 But anyways, it's called Simps, actually.

01:24:36.120 Are you going to be on the front cover?

01:24:37.840 Wow.

01:24:39.080 That's you, my man.

01:24:40.220 I think they reached out to us.

01:24:42.440 I bet, yeah, they did.

01:24:44.880 Yo, Coxie...

01:24:45.440 Hey, fellas, great episode so far.

01:24:48.400 I like the strong difference in ideas, robust arguments on both sides, funny too.

01:24:54.620 Oh, no.

01:24:55.140 Andrew, solid logic.

01:24:56.620 Kirill with good rebuttals.

01:24:58.240 Firing on all cylinders.

01:24:59.600 Hey, he's complimenting you, Kirill.

01:25:00.940 That's why I just fist-bounded him.

01:25:02.460 I said it to Coxie.

01:25:03.500 Firing on all cylinders.

01:25:04.560 Well, the viewership's been good.

01:25:05.420 So, don't I get some of that tip?

01:25:06.900 Because I'm mentioned?

01:25:08.080 No.

01:25:08.200 I'm a Jew.

01:25:08.700 Come on, bro.

01:25:09.140 Hey, you said it.

01:25:10.280 Don't say that.

01:25:10.900 You said it.

01:25:11.380 So, what?

01:25:11.940 Disavow.

01:25:13.780 What their doc's about is they brought up all these guys in cases...

01:25:17.840 Do you have hand sanitizer?

01:25:19.040 I'm kidding.

01:25:19.640 I'm kidding.

01:25:20.100 Go ahead.

01:25:20.340 Where they're spending more than 80% of their income on OnlyFans.

01:25:27.500 And I think that's not the girls' problem.

01:25:29.440 These guys are fucking idiots.

01:25:31.040 If you were living in your mom's basement making 40K, you're spending 35 on a laugh?

01:25:35.060 What is wrong with this guy?

01:25:37.040 There is worse ways to spend money than on OnlyFans.

01:25:40.140 True that.

01:25:40.420 You could spend it on repackaged, cheap Chinese shirts from assholes lived forever.

01:25:45.120 I love it.

01:25:45.580 This is great.

01:25:45.920 Can you give me that clip?

01:25:46.760 Great things from popular New Guinea.

01:25:48.960 That was good.

01:25:50.240 So, I just want to make sure that what you're saying, the entailment of this, is that taking

01:25:55.840 advantage of low IQ or stupid people is fine.

01:25:58.600 Thank you.

01:25:59.160 That's the entailment.

01:26:00.320 I'm saying these guys got to figure the fucking shit out.

01:26:03.060 Yes.

01:26:03.400 Yes.

01:26:03.680 I agree with you.

01:26:04.340 Yeah.

01:26:04.660 I think it's totally okay to take advantage of stupid people.

01:26:06.400 Hey, man.

01:26:06.420 Maybe move out of mom's basement before giving it all to Sky Breeze.

01:26:09.600 And that's why we always do have the religious, the moral high ground.

01:26:13.340 Because we can always make the definitive statement.

01:26:15.600 No, that's not okay for you to be a fucking piece of shit and take advantage of people

01:26:19.680 just because they're not that smart.

01:26:21.600 But doesn't religion generally take advantage of simple-minded people?

01:26:25.660 No, considering the smartest people that I've ever met are religious.

01:26:28.580 Who?

01:26:29.020 And the dumbest are not.

01:26:33.240 Just saying.

01:26:34.160 I mean, I'm just saying there's just hard, like, I don't want to talk religion because

01:26:38.500 we won't convince each other, right?

01:26:40.380 Like, there's no argument here.

01:26:41.480 And there's no reason to.

01:26:42.680 I don't even use religious arguments.

01:26:44.000 But what I do do is explain.

01:26:45.980 I'm going to express that there's no Christian faith, nor Jewish faith, by the way, that

01:26:51.180 I'm aware of, that would ever say that it was okay to take advantage of men or women

01:26:56.680 because of a low IQ.

01:26:57.760 That'd be like me saying, oh, yeah, I fucked her.

01:27:00.140 I fucked her.

01:27:00.760 You know why?

01:27:01.460 Let's not.

01:27:01.900 Have you met my people?

01:27:03.140 We literally would take advantage of anyone for a dollar.

01:27:05.300 Okay.

01:27:05.600 I just wanted.

01:27:06.180 Hey.

01:27:06.520 Let's not go there.

01:27:07.380 I just wanted to bring it out.

01:27:09.380 But anyway, so back to this, back to this.

01:27:12.000 That would be like me saying, yeah, I take advantage of low IQ women and have sex with

01:27:15.400 them.

01:27:15.500 Long Paladins donated $100.

01:27:17.700 I enjoy watching Andrew verbally slaughter fools like you on this podcast.

01:27:22.320 It's more exciting than some on Levan's fakery.

01:27:25.720 You made a bad assumption.

01:27:27.500 Paying for it once doesn't mean you always pay.

01:27:30.420 Right.

01:27:31.040 Thank you, Long Paladins.

01:27:31.700 So the entailment here, imagine if I said, yeah, I only fuck low IQ women who are stupid

01:27:36.680 that I can take advantage of.

01:27:38.080 Would you say that that was immoral?

01:27:40.600 I see what you're saying and I don't like the way you're comparing it.

01:27:43.200 Yeah.

01:27:43.440 That's nice.

01:27:44.180 Would you say that's immoral?

01:27:45.000 No, because I don't like the way you're comparing it.

01:27:45.960 Yeah.

01:27:46.140 Would you say it's immoral though?

01:27:47.620 I don't like the way you're comparing it.

01:27:48.380 Yeah.

01:27:48.520 I don't like the way you're not answering.

01:27:49.760 Would you say that's immoral?

01:27:51.120 If you only fuck stupid girls?

01:27:52.820 I only fuck stupid girls who are low IQ, but you know what?

01:27:55.980 They love it.

01:27:56.860 They love it.

01:27:57.560 That's all you can get.

01:27:57.860 They think it's great.

01:27:59.300 It's fantastic.

01:28:00.020 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:28:02.000 If that's all you can do.

01:28:02.920 Okay.

01:28:03.160 There's a difference between stupid people and we're talking like.

01:28:05.020 Is it immoral to do that?

01:28:06.160 Wait, wait, wait, but there's.

01:28:07.020 Is it immoral to only fuck?

01:28:08.400 How stupid are we talking?

01:28:09.580 Just under, under average IQ?

01:28:10.980 If they're mentally handicapped.

01:28:11.680 Yeah, that's not immoral.

01:28:12.380 Yeah, you're fucked up.

01:28:12.900 The PSA donated $100.

01:28:15.580 I donate to whatever, but I would not pay to watch the My Little Pony movie.

01:28:20.460 Good entertainment has a value, quality, education.

01:28:24.500 Lint roll for the win.

01:28:26.140 Okay.

01:28:26.680 So real question.

01:28:27.820 Thank you, man.

01:28:28.200 I appreciate it.

01:28:28.720 If we're excluding people who have actual mental deficiencies, right?

01:28:33.380 Which is, do you know what the mental illness rate is in women?

01:28:36.200 I'm talking, you're saying just dumb.

01:28:39.240 Like.

01:28:39.880 Just dumb.

01:28:40.500 Yeah.

01:28:41.020 There's nothing wrong with fucking a dumb girl.

01:28:42.640 There's nothing wrong with fucking a dumb guy.

01:28:44.200 Yeah.

01:28:44.500 So.

01:28:44.800 Right.

01:28:44.960 That's not taking advantage of them because they're dumb.

01:28:46.540 So your idea is here.

01:28:48.500 Yes.

01:28:48.880 That if you have a low IQ, right?

01:28:52.020 I'm not IQ testing these girls.

01:28:53.800 Yeah.

01:28:54.000 I get it.

01:28:54.760 But you can make specific exploitative systems which go towards people who have lower IQs,

01:28:59.700 which are exploitative systems.

01:29:01.460 This entire country is founded on taking advantage of dumb people.

01:29:04.260 That's all we do.

01:29:04.920 Even if that was true, why would it make it right?

01:29:08.620 Some dude has sex with this.

01:29:09.440 Even if that was true, why would it be right?

01:29:11.900 Because not everything is like right.

01:29:14.240 So it's.

01:29:14.940 You can have wrong things in the world.

01:29:16.360 You can have wrong things in the world.

01:29:17.380 And they shouldn't.

01:29:18.120 You should be correcting wrong things in the world, right?

01:29:20.200 You shouldn't be.

01:29:20.940 You shouldn't be assisting them.

01:29:22.140 You're not like, oh, we got a fire and it's burning everything down.

01:29:24.900 Let's go pour gasoline on it.

01:29:26.200 That's fucking insane.

01:29:27.240 So dumb people shouldn't fuck.

01:29:28.460 No, what I'm saying is that you should not create systems which take advantage of people

01:29:32.900 the same way that if I said, look, I only go for, like, half-retarded chicks and take

01:29:38.240 advantage of it, you would be like, that's horrible.

01:29:39.860 I've never heard anyone say that.

01:29:40.820 Good point.

01:29:41.400 I only exploit prostitutes that are addicted to heroin.

01:29:45.120 But it's not immoral because reasons.

01:29:47.820 Yeah, I mean, sure.

01:29:48.780 They have tons of addiction problems.

01:29:50.500 That guy's a sick fuck.

01:29:50.860 By the way, many of you.

01:29:51.880 Send me a DM.

01:29:52.520 How's he a sick fuck?

01:29:54.220 He goes after heroin addicts?

01:29:55.900 No, bro.

01:29:56.300 You need to get fucked, too.

01:29:57.500 Yeah, that's the fuck.

01:29:58.300 The girls who go on your podcast, I've listened to many of your interviews, they talk about

01:30:01.820 all of the drugs that they've abused.

01:30:04.360 They talk about the drug issues that they've had, how it's rampant in that industry.

01:30:07.840 They talk about it many, many times.

01:30:09.440 As many as other women, though.

01:30:10.640 Yeah, but drugs are not as many as other women.

01:30:12.440 Sure.

01:30:13.040 Yeah, but, yeah.

01:30:14.240 And I'll tell you.

01:30:15.020 I know a lot of chefs that are fucking degenerates, too, right?

01:30:17.720 I'll tell you, you know, sex work is such a problem.

01:30:18.980 Jesus.

01:30:19.720 Robert Tanner donated $100.

01:30:22.780 These two individuals have what's called cognitive dissonance.

01:30:27.020 Andrew and Brian, can you please explain what that it is to them?

01:30:30.880 Slavery is an example.

01:30:32.520 What does that mean?

01:30:33.120 Cognitive dissonance just means that you have a position which is untenable, but you refuse

01:30:37.560 to abandon it because you're emotionally invested in it.

01:30:40.340 And once you have to focus on it, it's very uncomfortable.

01:30:43.840 Oh, I mean, you're very uncomfortable.

01:30:45.100 No, I think we're also, but I think you're doing a lot of equating two phrases about the

01:30:51.160 same thing.

01:30:51.900 Like, degrees of fraud are not the same thing as fraud-fraud.

01:30:54.860 Thank you.

01:30:55.300 Right?

01:30:55.880 Like, I don't know what cognitive dissonance.

01:30:57.900 But I'm willing to concede at that point.

01:30:59.520 Right.

01:30:59.820 And, dude.

01:31:00.820 And the concession to the point, though, if I say there's stealing $100 million is a way

01:31:07.720 worse form of fraud than $100, I'm still going to say stealing the $100 is fucking wrong

01:31:11.860 and needs to be outlawed, just like the $100 million, right?

01:31:14.980 Yeah.

01:31:15.440 Am I wrong?

01:31:16.300 Sure.

01:31:16.820 Okay.

01:31:17.320 Well, then I don't know what your argument is.

01:31:19.720 But my argument is I don't care about those people.

01:31:24.160 Oh, you don't care.

01:31:24.980 So that solves the problem because you don't care.

01:31:26.580 No, because there's no problem to me.

01:31:27.940 I'm like, men are going to get stabbed by women because men think with their dick, dude.

01:31:31.240 And I think maybe that's where we, that's our stance, is that we wake up happy every

01:31:35.300 day, make your bag, baby, let's have fun.

01:31:37.600 You care, and that's great.

01:31:39.240 But I don't even think these guys care as much as you do.

01:31:41.860 If they found out, wait a second, that was, that was Sheree DeVille's chatter the whole

01:31:47.140 time?

01:31:48.480 How could you demonstrate that?

01:31:50.100 Other than I just feel like.

01:31:51.340 I can't wait to see what happens because I don't think anyone's going to give a shit.

01:31:54.600 Why are they giving millions to AI?

01:31:56.760 That's fucking crazy to me.

01:31:57.980 So again, you can take what is called the loneliness epidemic, which is going on inside

01:32:03.500 of the United States and most Western nations, called herbivorism in Japan.

01:32:07.140 Again, this started a long, long time ago, that yes, men who have a primary edict of

01:32:12.760 reproduction, okay?

01:32:14.360 It's called herbivorism in Japan?

01:32:15.920 Yeah, they call them herbivores.

01:32:17.060 What?

01:32:17.280 They just eat grass?

01:32:18.480 Isn't that a vegan?

01:32:19.780 It's like an animal.

01:32:20.820 They're not calling them that there for...

01:32:22.740 It's their version of soy boy?

01:32:23.880 Yeah, it's their version.

01:32:24.700 No, it's just their version of MGTOW.

01:32:26.840 They checked out.

01:32:27.740 Okay.

01:32:28.020 Right?

01:32:28.260 They're done.

01:32:28.720 They're done with women.

01:32:29.500 They're done with this, whatever.

01:32:30.200 Oh, I can't wait.

01:32:31.680 If you associate loneliness, right?

01:32:34.900 We are tribal by nature.

01:32:36.780 What you can do is you can break people's barriers down, their emotional barriers, and

01:32:40.320 then take advantage of them.

01:32:42.000 Isolation, like what we had during...

01:32:44.000 And I saw your take on the lockdowns.

01:32:46.940 I thought it was a fairly good take, right?

01:32:48.900 Good take.

01:32:49.640 Well, I think this was you, where you were like, man, I was pretty anti-vax, right?

01:32:55.040 Was that you or was that you?

01:32:56.220 I don't remember which one.

01:32:57.200 I wasn't a vax guy at all, yeah.

01:32:58.680 I told you my stance on the...

01:33:01.000 Yeah, same, right?

01:33:02.180 So the thing is, is that because of this isolation, which happened, you did see an explosion.

01:33:07.700 Remember that Pornhub, these other places took advantage of this and said, we're going

01:33:11.620 to give you free entry, right?

01:33:13.920 We're going to give you free entry.

01:33:15.120 These guys are lonely.

01:33:16.440 Now they're not communicating.

01:33:17.580 Now they're stuck at home.

01:33:18.900 Yes, it's taking advantage of people.

01:33:20.520 You can break down barriers.

01:33:22.140 You can run what are called psychological operations to do this.

01:33:25.140 They've been done for the last 200 years in the United States.

01:33:28.340 I'm sure that you guys know that this is an actual thing.

01:33:31.500 And yeah, you can push down barriers of men to go towards these horrific things by isolation

01:33:38.960 and through propaganda.

01:33:40.440 And that's exactly what's going on here.

01:33:42.580 This is not good for anybody.

01:33:44.060 It's not good for the girls.

01:33:45.220 It's not good for the fucking...

01:33:46.440 John's not good for any of them.

01:33:47.700 If you eliminated it tomorrow, you tell me what the problems would be.

01:33:51.240 Tell me what the problems would be.

01:33:52.720 Eliminate what?

01:33:53.060 If you eliminated corn, OnlyFans, all of it tomorrow.

01:33:56.060 If you had a magic wand...

01:33:56.840 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:33:57.640 Hang on, hang on.

01:33:58.260 I snapped it.

01:33:59.160 It's all gone.

01:34:00.320 What are the problems?

01:34:00.900 I don't know.

01:34:01.560 I don't know.

01:34:02.020 So the problems would be that like selling a legal crack or selling illegal weed or legal

01:34:07.640 shrooms is fucking people up.

01:34:09.440 But when it's not regulated or safe or an environment, the problem isn't to eliminate it.

01:34:16.000 It's how do we make it safer?

01:34:17.220 Well, then how come when we have these nations where they do have legalized prostitution, for

01:34:22.140 instance, we still see the human trafficking and just read you the stats go through the

01:34:26.020 roof versus the nations which make it across the board illegal.

01:34:29.540 The United Nations looked at this issue.

01:34:31.660 The United Nations went, okay, the amount of trafficking that we see in nations where we

01:34:36.080 have legalized prostitutions through the fucking roof.

01:34:39.440 They even made a recommendation that such sex work is not only not liberating to women

01:34:44.040 but exploitative.

01:34:45.160 And the reason that they thought so was because of the human trafficking and underage element

01:34:48.660 which always seemed to creep its way in.

01:34:51.680 Pre-corn in the United States, these issues were not present.

01:34:55.860 They were not there.

01:34:57.900 Meaning, where was the big issue in the 1950s?

01:35:01.360 What was it?

01:35:02.000 What was the thing in the 1950s?

01:35:03.460 There was no internet.

01:35:04.720 Yeah, there was no access.

01:35:06.900 And you can take all cord off the internet tomorrow with a snap of the finger.

01:35:10.700 Most people would not have access to it.

01:35:12.620 Most people would not have even access to an ISP if the cable company didn't give them

01:35:16.700 one.

01:35:16.720 You know, it would be interesting to see what happens.

01:35:18.540 What do you think would happen?

01:35:19.640 We're too dumb to tell you.

01:35:21.080 Yeah, too dumb.

01:35:21.580 Who knows?

01:35:22.060 But the negative ramifications are, I don't know.

01:35:25.300 It could go one or two ways.

01:35:26.500 It could go one or two ways.

01:35:27.160 I don't know what the negative ramifications would be.

01:35:28.360 It could be a great thing.

01:35:29.240 It could be a terrible thing.

01:35:29.500 It could be like the bees, dude.

01:35:30.720 You don't want to get rid of the bees.

01:35:32.340 That's right.

01:35:32.640 Okay, so let's not get rid of porn because who knows what will happen?

01:35:35.260 It could.

01:35:35.620 There is a chance that it could go really bad because...

01:35:38.320 Okay, what does that look like?

01:35:39.900 Now they're producing it themselves.

01:35:41.620 It's these fucked up unsafe places.

01:35:43.180 They're not getting tested.

01:35:44.180 And it's all underground.

01:35:45.440 It's all underground.

01:35:46.080 It's on the dark web.

01:35:47.060 Yeah, and so it greatly reduces this issue down to a very manageable issue.

01:35:52.640 Yeah, but this issue isn't really causing that many problems.

01:35:55.500 It's causing a lot of problems.

01:35:56.620 I just went over many, many of them with you.

01:35:58.340 You're talking about like the CP and all that shit?

01:36:00.000 Not just that.

01:36:00.760 That's just one aspect of it.

01:36:02.140 He brings up the interest of fraud.

01:36:04.300 You also have what are legalized pimps who basically will move after these underage girls

01:36:09.480 to kind of groom them into that industry by the time they turn 18.

01:36:13.440 So all the problems are illegal acts.

01:36:15.260 Are you saying all those pimps will just get regular jobs?

01:36:17.280 They're all illegal acts, right?

01:36:17.820 You just want to make it safer.

01:36:19.040 Make them legal pimps.

01:36:19.960 And then it's fucking safe and fine.

01:36:21.800 Well, my stance on prostitution is not the same as porn at all.

01:36:25.160 That's because you create this differential that does not need to exist, which is if that

01:36:30.160 camera is on me while I'm doing a sex act, then it's not prostitution if I'm getting paid.

01:36:35.500 That makes no fucking sense, and I need you to square that for me.

01:36:38.820 No problem.

01:36:39.520 Go ahead.

01:36:40.180 Okay.

01:36:41.020 Here's the difference, all right?

01:36:42.180 I was actually talking to a porn star, a male porn star who's been doing it 25 years,

01:36:46.040 and he's married to another female porn star.

01:36:47.980 He lets her shoot.

01:36:49.040 She lets him shoot.

01:36:49.900 They're cool with it.

01:36:50.620 He will not let her escort.

01:36:52.960 He will not let her go in a hotel room with a guy.

01:36:55.000 And he says, when she's shooting for browsers, it's seven, eight people on set.

01:37:00.840 It's very professional.

01:37:02.240 They come on hair and makeup.

01:37:03.840 They sign all these things.

01:37:04.820 They talk.

01:37:05.820 There's no lists, and we're going to do this.

01:37:07.700 They break down the scene, all this and that.

01:37:09.740 It's scripted perfectly of how they want it.

01:37:12.120 And then, really, I've been on porn sets.

01:37:14.400 It's not really fucking, man.

01:37:16.480 It's, okay, now do this.

01:37:17.920 Now do that.

01:37:18.400 Great.

01:37:18.980 All right.

01:37:19.320 Cool.

01:37:19.760 Good day.

01:37:20.080 When you're in a hotel room with this fucking freak old man that you don't know anything about,

01:37:24.200 and you've got to do whatever he says to get your money from him at the end of it,

01:37:27.640 a whole different ballgame.

01:37:28.960 Yeah.

01:37:29.200 That really doesn't explain how the exchange of money for sex with camera and added people

01:37:35.900 makes this not prostitution.

01:37:37.760 What is your definition of prostitution?

01:37:39.260 It would be the exchange of sexual intercourse or sexual favors for money.

01:37:42.400 If you call it that, sure.

01:37:43.520 But we're talking about...

01:37:45.020 Hang on.

01:37:45.120 Hang on.

01:37:45.740 What would your definition of it be?

01:37:47.220 My definition of prostitution is, look, there's two terms, right?

01:37:51.160 When we discuss prostitution regularly, yes, it's someone selling their pussy for money

01:37:56.840 or dick for money, right?

01:37:58.180 Right.

01:37:58.680 But the general prostitution of like, yeah, we all kind of exploit our bodies one way or

01:38:04.240 another.

01:38:04.360 Yeah, you don't see my dick in everyday life because who wants to see it?

01:38:08.340 But like, my body's been exploited.

01:38:10.160 My parents' bodies have been exploited, right?

01:38:12.480 They've sold their bodies to corporations.

01:38:15.740 My mom's worked 50 hours a week.

01:38:17.780 What does it have to do with sex?

01:38:18.820 I'm just saying, it's a form of prostitution.

01:38:20.380 She sold her body.

01:38:21.120 Yeah, no, no, no.

01:38:22.540 So if that was the case, then you would consider everything prostitution.

01:38:26.480 Yeah.

01:38:26.880 If that's the case...

01:38:27.580 I'm a whore right now.

01:38:28.620 I'm here.

01:38:29.200 Then if that's...

01:38:29.860 I'm literally a prostitute.

01:38:31.440 Actually, I'm not.

01:38:32.040 I'm an intern because you won't give me any of this money.

01:38:33.460 If that's the case, then we can't categorize anything as prostitution.

01:38:37.000 Well, exactly.

01:38:37.500 Because you're writing the term too much.

01:38:38.540 Hang on.

01:38:38.920 Right.

01:38:39.360 If everything's prostitution...

01:38:41.000 Then nothing is.

01:38:42.120 Thank you.

01:38:42.760 We're good.

01:38:43.500 Let's go home.

01:38:44.540 Yeah, that would just mean your definition is meaningless.

01:38:47.600 So the definition, which would actually point to the category of the thing.

01:38:51.340 So like if everything's a cup, nothing's a cup, right?

01:38:53.720 We have no category for cup.

01:38:55.260 Yes.

01:38:55.440 We do need to have a category for cup.

01:38:57.500 Otherwise, we can't identify what a cup is.

01:38:59.760 We need to have a category for what a prostitute is.

01:39:01.580 You're saying sexual...

01:39:02.000 Or we can't identify what a prostitute is.

01:39:03.360 So you're saying sex for money is prostitution?

01:39:05.480 Yeah.

01:39:06.800 Okay, but I'm categorizing it.

01:39:07.920 Can you give me a different definition than that that makes more sense?

01:39:10.840 I mean, I'm categorizing it differently.

01:39:12.280 I look at prostitution as...

01:39:13.920 What about...

01:39:14.360 You're sneaking around trading sex for money from the guy.

01:39:17.880 It doesn't matter if it was...

01:39:18.660 Then what is legal prostitution?

01:39:20.140 It's who's paying you.

01:39:21.600 Is it the corporate company or is it the guy that's fucking you in his hotel?

01:39:25.020 That's the difference for me.

01:39:25.940 So if you had like a ranch, like a Vegas ranch where the guy went in, negotiated the

01:39:31.480 rate with your corporate pimp, and then went in the room and slept with you, and then

01:39:35.740 just went and paid your corporate pimp on the way out, that's not prostitution.

01:39:40.100 That's something else?

01:39:41.380 Let me ask you this.

01:39:42.140 No, no.

01:39:42.560 Answer my question before you ask me one.

01:39:44.280 Answer one.

01:39:44.960 If you're doing amateur porn...

01:39:45.960 Answer one before you ask one.

01:39:46.860 Okay, can you repeat the question?

01:39:47.880 Yeah, the question is, so if you went in and you paid a corporate pimp who took you to

01:39:53.200 the back room so you could screw the corporate prostitute, and then you left, how's that not

01:39:59.060 a prostitute under your definition here?

01:40:01.140 No, that is.

01:40:02.180 That's a brothel.

01:40:03.040 That's a brothel.

01:40:04.060 Then what is the distinction here?

01:40:05.580 I'm confused about what we're arguing.

01:40:08.200 What I'm arguing is I want to know what a prostitute actually is and why my definition

01:40:12.980 of exchange is sex or sexual favors for money.

01:40:16.820 So let me ask you this.

01:40:17.580 What would be your better definition?

01:40:19.080 So let me ask you this.

01:40:20.300 Let's say my girlfriend and I started OnlyFans during the pandemic and we start fucking each

01:40:25.620 other.

01:40:26.180 Yeah.

01:40:26.540 Are we each other's prostitutes in your eyes now because we're fucking for money?

01:40:29.400 You would be prostitutes to the Johns who are watching.

01:40:33.480 Sure.

01:40:33.980 But why are we afraid of that word?

01:40:36.460 Yeah.

01:40:36.600 Why can't we just call it that?

01:40:38.540 Yeah.

01:40:38.860 Why can't I?

01:40:39.180 If that's what you want to call it.

01:40:40.240 I'm fine with your definition.

01:40:42.040 I'm fucking my girlfriend and dudes want to watch.

01:40:43.800 That's what it is.

01:40:44.340 I'm not delusional about that.

01:40:45.400 My girl is not a hooker.

01:40:46.380 She's my girlfriend and we're fucking.

01:40:47.480 At the end of the day, right?

01:40:49.420 To, wait, but Johns are paying you for this sex act.

01:40:52.960 I'm fucking my girl.

01:40:54.000 We're putting it on and they're paying us.

01:40:55.460 Yeah.

01:40:55.520 Yeah.

01:40:55.640 To watch it.

01:40:55.960 So Johns are paying you for a sex act.

01:40:57.680 So you would be.

01:40:58.220 If you want to call it that.

01:41:01.680 Prostitutes.

01:41:02.100 Yeah.

01:41:02.600 You really think.

01:41:03.520 But why is that offensive?

01:41:05.400 Yeah.

01:41:05.700 That's not offensive.

01:41:06.520 Right.

01:41:06.840 Like, I don't care if you call me a prostitute, if I'm acting like a prostitute.

01:41:11.460 Agreed.

01:41:11.900 But we need to know what that is so we can say you are.

01:41:14.580 That's fine.

01:41:15.300 I have no problem telling a OnlyFans girl that she's a prostitute.

01:41:19.360 Great.

01:41:19.840 Neither do I.

01:41:20.540 So then anytime I do, the idea that any of these corn stars go fucking crazy about it and

01:41:25.660 go, no, they're not.

01:41:27.080 You can say that.

01:41:27.940 No, because it comes from a, it comes more condescending, right?

01:41:31.340 Because when you think of her.

01:41:31.640 When I call her a prostitute.

01:41:32.920 It's the tone.

01:41:33.680 It's the tone.

01:41:34.280 It's the tone.

01:41:34.880 It's the tone.

01:41:34.900 It's the way you said it.

01:41:35.680 Because when you think of it, whatever it is.

01:41:36.500 I call my friends like, yo, look at this fucking hooker, right?

01:41:39.020 She doesn't get upset.

01:41:39.860 When you think of the term hooker or prostitute or whore even, you think of a girl on the street

01:41:43.780 waiting for a car to drive by to fucking back.

01:41:45.040 You think of that.

01:41:46.080 That's what we all.

01:41:46.960 I don't think so.

01:41:47.740 That's how we were trained.

01:41:48.500 Do you think that that's what Muslims think?

01:41:50.480 What do Muslims think, Andrew?

01:41:51.380 Do you think?

01:41:52.260 I'm asking you.

01:41:52.940 Do you think that Muslims, for instance, or East Asians or anything outside of us?

01:41:57.060 No, they think if you have sex, you go to hell.

01:41:59.080 That's not my question.

01:42:00.140 I'm asking what they would categorize as a prostitute.

01:42:02.480 And why should we go with your definition of I don't know what it is?

01:42:05.480 I don't even know what it is.

01:42:06.860 What you're saying is, I don't even know what a prostitute is.

01:42:10.700 There it is.

01:42:12.000 You don't know?

01:42:12.820 I think couples fucking not only friends are not prostitutes at all.

01:42:15.680 Yeah, but why?

01:42:16.240 I'll tell you that much.

01:42:16.580 Why aren't they?

01:42:18.320 Because they're not meeting a guy to fuck in their hotel for money.

01:42:20.860 That's what I think a prostitute is.

01:42:22.940 My definition of prostitution is not a bad word to me.

01:42:26.740 And I think you're interpreting it as a negative thing.

01:42:28.320 I kind of do, yeah.

01:42:29.000 Right?

01:42:29.240 I don't.

01:42:29.840 It's a blunt word for what you're doing.

01:42:32.220 For what you're doing.

01:42:32.500 But I have no problem with that word, right?

01:42:34.060 You're still my friend and you can be a prostitute.

01:42:36.380 Sure.

01:42:36.640 I could care less.

01:42:37.540 And all the power of couples fucking on only friends.

01:42:39.260 I have so many friends that are prostitutes.

01:42:40.620 All the power to them.

01:42:41.540 Don't care.

01:42:42.480 Yeah, okay.

01:42:43.420 That's fine if you concede that you think that that's what a prostitute is.

01:42:47.920 If you don't, then I need some criteria for why it's not that thing.

01:42:51.140 I look at it like the way I see it is you hire this chick, you pay her to fuck you.

01:42:58.460 Or do sexual acts for you, whatever blowjob, who knows.

01:43:01.040 Yeah.

01:43:01.240 Or maybe shove something down your dick.

01:43:03.020 Yeah.

01:43:03.300 Up your ass.

01:43:03.900 Whatever it may be.

01:43:05.140 But you pay her to go hang out with her.

01:43:07.040 Yeah.

01:43:07.360 And unless I film it and then distribute it and now she's not a prostitute.

01:43:10.220 If Braggers hires two girls to come on set with scripts and tests and they walk through

01:43:16.420 a corporate fucking day of what's happening.

01:43:18.280 No, it's not.

01:43:18.980 Yeah.

01:43:19.220 So the script is three lines.

01:43:20.780 The script is three lines and it's filmed and we exchange the money.

01:43:25.040 Totally different.

01:43:25.640 Yeah.

01:43:25.880 And you send it out.

01:43:26.920 It's a completely different thing.

01:43:28.140 Yeah.

01:43:28.600 Based on you just made it the fuck up.

01:43:32.100 Let's not bring Kiki into this.

01:43:33.600 He's saying that OnlyFans couples are prostitutes and he lost me in that one.

01:43:37.560 He lost me in that one.

01:43:40.020 I'm going to let a couple of chats come in.

01:43:41.840 I just paused it temporarily to allow the convo to go.

01:43:45.340 Sorry, that was a threshold.

01:43:46.960 Why are you putting this guy up?

01:43:47.760 $10.

01:43:48.340 He doesn't deserve the attention.

01:43:49.500 Yeah.

01:43:50.260 We want $100 up here.

01:43:51.360 We want $100 up here.

01:43:51.860 They're coming.

01:43:52.500 They're coming.

01:43:53.820 Peacecraft donated $100.

01:43:56.280 Sorry.

01:43:56.700 Kiki, when you close your eyes, does the world disappear?

01:44:00.340 Object permanent, not stick.

01:44:02.120 We have got to investigate the women who fucked you for fucking a tard.

01:44:06.920 Andy Ping.

01:44:08.120 Hey, what?

01:44:09.560 All right.

01:44:10.100 What does Ping Ping mean?

01:44:11.080 Appreciate it.

01:44:11.700 It's just like PNG.

01:44:12.880 Like picture?

01:44:13.320 I don't know the term.

01:44:14.260 Oh, okay.

01:44:15.640 I thought that was like a fucking acronym.

01:44:17.700 No.

01:44:18.120 It's like a JPEG.

01:44:19.180 Yes, the world does disappear when I close my eyes.

01:44:21.140 What does PNG even stand for?

01:44:21.880 That's why I prefer to be asleep most of the day.

01:44:23.560 What does PNG stand for?

01:44:24.500 Yo, JJ, thanks for the gift of 10 subs.

01:44:25.900 It's like a pixelated something graphic.

01:44:29.300 It stands for portable network graphic.

01:44:31.740 Great.

01:44:31.880 I didn't know any of that.

01:44:32.880 I'm a graphic designer.

01:44:33.740 Whatever fan donated $100.

01:44:36.380 Yeah, thank you, man.

01:44:36.820 They are arguably even more stupid than OnlyFans bimbos.

01:44:40.660 Don't say that.

01:44:41.160 Props to Andrew for sitting there and trying to break down simple concepts to these low IQ cucks.

01:44:47.300 I am not sending these.

01:44:48.380 That would be a great show, though, if you literally just sit there roasting everyone.

01:44:51.920 By the way.

01:44:52.440 That would be funny.

01:44:53.200 That would be really funny.

01:44:54.960 I literally would pay someone to sit there and just fucking.

01:44:57.740 These guys sending these notes and saying these fucking OnlyFans bimbos.

01:45:00.940 You guys think they live a good life with women.

01:45:04.160 Of course.

01:45:04.700 You think they're getting laid all the time.

01:45:06.040 They're all six foot seven.

01:45:07.160 Yeah.

01:45:07.960 Right.

01:45:08.840 Oh, bring the tips in.

01:45:10.200 They must be, right?

01:45:11.040 It is proven by every major institution that pornography, watching sex, has the same effect as alcoholism, drug addiction, on the brain.

01:45:21.780 Yep.

01:45:22.180 But we just did a shot.

01:45:23.200 These two are no different from a pusher dot.

01:45:24.560 All studies show this.

01:45:25.760 Robert, did you send me a DM, by the way?

01:45:27.160 Yeah.

01:45:27.720 Thank you, Robert.

01:45:28.400 Alcohol is arguably bad.

01:45:30.040 We could talk about that.

01:45:30.900 No problem with it.

01:45:31.640 Everything in moderation.

01:45:33.020 So here's the thing.

01:45:34.320 Wait, everything in moderation?

01:45:37.520 Those three things.

01:45:39.120 Oh, okay.

01:45:39.880 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:45:41.040 When you're talking about the rates of damage, sure, you can make an argument that alcoholism bad.

01:45:46.960 There's no dispute here.

01:45:48.120 But you know what I do with alcoholics?

01:45:50.220 I don't say, you should keep fucking drinking.

01:45:53.340 What you do is you go, hey, let's get you in rehab.

01:45:55.860 Let's get you away from alcohol.

01:45:57.440 Let's get you to stop doing this damaging thing.

01:46:00.380 Your argument here, the reason it makes no sense, is because you're saying the opposite.

01:46:04.280 You're like, ah, no, keep going and fucking sucking those dicks, girl, because it makes you happy.

01:46:09.160 And you white knight for it.

01:46:10.380 Why are you doing it?

01:46:11.600 Well, what is the white knight?

01:46:12.400 That's the distinction.

01:46:13.180 So saying to me this idea of, but what about alcohol?

01:46:18.360 Yeah.

01:46:18.860 Okay.

01:46:19.120 Alcohol can be bad, just like porn can be bad.

01:46:22.200 But I'm not advocating over here that we don't treat and assist alcoholics.

01:46:26.020 You're advocating, on the other hand, there's no problem with this behavior.

01:46:29.140 I disagree with you because the alcoholics are the porn consumers.

01:46:33.160 The porn stars are the creators of the beer, of the vodka, of the whiskey, and no one's

01:46:38.440 coming at them.

01:46:40.060 They do come at them.

01:46:41.700 You're coming at the people that-

01:46:42.800 They get sued constantly.

01:46:43.740 Coming at porn stars is coming at Tito's.

01:46:47.940 Coming at alcoholics is coming at porn consumers.

01:46:50.620 Bro-

01:46:50.840 You have a problem with them?

01:46:51.760 Sure.

01:46:52.420 Dude, if a guy-

01:46:52.720 Because they're doing it too much, it's ruining their life.

01:46:54.240 Sure.

01:46:54.840 If a guy, have you ever been at a bar late at night and you saw a bartender throw out

01:46:58.740 a drunk?

01:46:59.380 He said, you've had too many, buddy.

01:47:00.600 That's a porn consumer, not a porn star.

01:47:02.180 Yeah.

01:47:02.380 No, no, no.

01:47:02.900 He's the distributor of the alcohol.

01:47:05.260 He's the center point, the distribution center for the alcohol to the consumer.

01:47:09.300 You mean the bartender?

01:47:10.160 Yeah.

01:47:10.540 And how many times has a bartender, have you been there and he's been like, buddy, you're

01:47:14.480 fucking drunk and you need to get the fuck out of here and go home and sleep

01:47:17.700 it off.

01:47:18.320 That's talking to someone blowing up their OnlyFans.

01:47:20.300 And they say, I don't want drunks in my fucking bar.

01:47:22.720 Get the fuck out of here.

01:47:23.520 Well, first of all, you want drunks in your bar if you're running a good bar.

01:47:25.940 And the drunks are the crazy ones that think they're in a relationship with the OnlyFans

01:47:30.100 girls for talking to them too much.

01:47:31.140 Here's what's really interesting.

01:47:32.560 You ever notice that bartenders mostly don't drink?

01:47:35.640 They mostly don't drink.

01:47:36.500 What?

01:47:36.720 What do you mean?

01:47:37.400 All my bartender friends are alcoholists.

01:47:38.500 No, bartenders mostly, there's been-

01:47:40.200 I've had bartenders.

01:47:40.820 Do you go to bars?

01:47:41.860 Yeah, all the time.

01:47:42.840 There's been study after study about this.

01:47:45.100 Sure.

01:47:45.240 Okay?

01:47:45.420 They mostly don't drink.

01:47:46.400 It's really an interesting phenomenon because they see what being a fucking drunk can do

01:47:51.620 to you.

01:47:52.180 Yeah.

01:47:52.380 But bartenders will still be like, look, you should not be a drunk.

01:47:55.920 No, they're legally responsible if you get a DUI.

01:47:58.020 Well, they just don't want you to anyway because I just don't think that they're horrible people

01:48:01.920 because they tend bar.

01:48:03.420 They say, look, if you're an alcoholic, you should be getting help.

01:48:05.580 You should not be doing that.

01:48:06.920 There's nothing wrong with consuming a drink responsibly.

01:48:10.160 Nothing at all.

01:48:11.340 That's not what's going on here.

01:48:12.660 What's going on here is you're like, look, this does an incredible amount of damage and

01:48:16.640 I just don't fucking care.

01:48:19.060 That's the distinction.

01:48:21.300 They don't compare.

01:48:22.840 They don't compare because, again, the bartender-

01:48:24.980 No, why'd you just compare them?

01:48:26.780 I'll compare.

01:48:28.220 They don't compare.

01:48:29.260 They don't compare, but I just compared them.

01:48:30.440 No, because you didn't go with what I said.

01:48:31.860 I said the bartender is the porn distributor, not the porn star.

01:48:37.440 Okay, the porn distributor.

01:48:38.580 Sorry, sorry.

01:48:39.040 The bartender is-

01:48:40.060 Dude, why don't you run for office and change some shit?

01:48:42.660 Because it seems like you guys just complain.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, I mean, that's not an argument.

01:48:46.860 No, no, I'm just generally asking you.

01:48:48.780 You're an intelligent man.

01:48:49.740 I would bet that we wake up happier than you.

01:48:50.800 Well, I don't want to get shot.

01:48:51.480 Brian seems like he's pretty easy going.

01:48:52.880 You don't want to get shot.

01:48:53.520 The chances are literally zero.

01:48:55.300 I feel like he might wake up like, fuck, what am I pissed about today?

01:48:57.800 And I just think life is so much better when life is good.

01:49:00.360 Live and let live.

01:49:01.280 You want to suck a dick, suck it.

01:49:02.540 Why do you think-

01:49:02.920 You want to do this, do that.

01:49:04.220 Why do you think that being chill about being a degenerate makes you less of a degenerate?

01:49:07.940 Like, this has always been amazing to me when people are like, look, man, the forest is

01:49:12.960 burning down.

01:49:13.720 Things are going to shit.

01:49:15.060 But man, I'm just chilling, smoking a blunt.

01:49:17.520 What are you so mad about?

01:49:19.320 It's like, what are you talking about?

01:49:20.620 I can't do anything about it, so I'm going to smoke.

01:49:22.100 Brandon Schaub repeat the question back before answering.

01:49:25.320 I don't think even Schaub's IQ is this low.

01:49:27.980 Diet Brandon Schaub?

01:49:29.520 Who's that?

01:49:30.360 He's a fucking comedian.

01:49:31.940 No, I know who Brandon Schaub is, but who's diet Brandon Schaub?

01:49:33.920 Yeah, who's that?

01:49:34.960 Probably me.

01:49:35.840 Because Brandon Schaub is jacked.

01:49:37.240 I'm kind of skinny right now.

01:49:38.060 I think maybe it's you.

01:49:39.380 Yeah.

01:49:39.560 Because you look maybe a little.

01:49:41.320 Okay, maybe.

01:49:42.380 He's a stud.

01:49:43.260 I know.

01:49:45.080 But yeah.

01:49:45.540 Okay.

01:49:46.080 So anyway, just saying like-

01:49:47.840 I don't care.

01:49:48.260 Yeah, just being like, well, because I'm really chill about the fact that everything

01:49:52.280 is burning down, and you're saying, we should probably do something about it.

01:49:55.800 I don't think that that's a really good argument.

01:49:57.920 I just think we're going out the wrong things.

01:49:59.340 I also think they're just like, care too much.

01:50:01.520 You care too much about the wrong thing.

01:50:02.760 There is a thing, it's like caring too much.

01:50:04.720 Too much.

01:50:04.840 Because you're going to be dead in 50 years, bro.

01:50:07.420 Who gives a fuck if a bunch of people are having sex?

01:50:09.860 That was fun, man.

01:50:10.340 We're all having fun.

01:50:11.080 Try it.

01:50:11.680 You just got to get yours and go.

01:50:13.440 You're going to make it to 90.

01:50:13.740 Fuck everybody else.

01:50:14.660 You're going to make it to 90.

01:50:15.640 You did when we all did.

01:50:17.320 He's going to have a heart attack.

01:50:17.940 You're not selfish at all.

01:50:19.360 You will.

01:50:19.640 Do you think you're selfish at all?

01:50:21.100 Of course.

01:50:21.540 Yes, that's it.

01:50:22.300 Chief of sinners.

01:50:23.360 You got to relax, buddy.

01:50:24.340 Yeah, I'm not perfect at all.

01:50:25.000 Let me take you to a porn sex party with me.

01:50:27.420 But it's also bad to say.

01:50:29.100 Roth underscore PSA donated $100.

01:50:32.640 Yeah, thank you, Raph.

01:50:32.960 I have a child.

01:50:33.640 Appreciate it.

01:50:34.260 Raised her well.

01:50:35.440 She is a wonderful person.

01:50:37.480 Engaged now and know only fans in her past or future.

01:50:40.980 Okay.

01:50:41.280 I could not be more proud as a father.

01:50:43.860 Educate.

01:50:44.300 Do not promote horrid behavior.

01:50:46.660 Good job, Raph.

01:50:47.260 But all I'm saying is like.

01:50:49.040 Great job.

01:50:49.820 There's such a thing, right?

01:50:51.480 It's justified in righteous anger.

01:50:53.380 When things get so fucking out of hand and people are just like, look, fuck it.

01:50:57.740 Let this horrible things that are happening.

01:50:59.720 Just kind of.

01:51:00.440 Just take it.

01:51:01.720 And it's like, you know what ends up happening?

01:51:03.580 What ends up happening is riots in the UK as people lose their fucking minds because

01:51:08.060 they go to a boiling point.

01:51:09.860 Guys like me, we're the stopgap.

01:51:11.340 We're the ones who are like, before we get to this crazy boiling point, let's interject

01:51:15.860 some logic and reason to this.

01:51:17.260 Let me ask you a question.

01:51:17.960 I hang out with porn stars, right?

01:51:19.800 How annoying would I be if every minute I preach to them about how they're degenerates

01:51:23.840 and need to find God and or whatever and change their job, right?

01:51:27.460 I'm not here to judge you, right?

01:51:28.840 Unless you're doing something extremely fucked up like we discussed, CP, whatever, any of

01:51:33.240 that shit.

01:51:33.520 But you have a vested interest in capitalizing on it.

01:51:35.900 I have a vested interest in capitalizing on what?

01:51:37.660 The hanging out with, hanging out with, on, on extreme degeneracy, right?

01:51:42.220 That's, that's what your interest is.

01:51:43.840 This is it too.

01:51:45.040 You guys capitalize on that too.

01:51:46.540 The entirety of the, the entire, the opposite, the opposite.

01:51:49.540 But you talk to.

01:51:50.380 We have a vested interest in stopping it.

01:51:51.680 Right.

01:51:51.880 But you bring them on.

01:51:53.660 As if you're going to change them.

01:51:55.060 Do you think that I have not gotten hundreds of DMs from different women who say, man,

01:51:59.020 thank you so much.

01:52:00.200 That actually helped a lot.

01:52:01.480 Because I have.

01:52:02.380 Bro, that's not a brag.

01:52:03.640 Like if you're like, I got women DMing me how good of a guy I am.

01:52:06.540 Like, wow.

01:52:07.320 They're not DMing me pictures of their pussy, dude.

01:52:09.960 They're DMing me.

01:52:11.000 Thank you for the conversation.

01:52:12.600 Oh, wow.

01:52:13.260 Man, I really, I did, I just some fucking degenerate, exploitative shit right there.

01:52:18.380 I just don't brag about the people that DM me.

01:52:20.640 You're married.

01:52:21.220 Uh-huh.

01:52:21.880 Brian.

01:52:22.960 What's up?

01:52:23.700 Have you slept with girls that have OnlyFans?

01:52:26.040 Never.

01:52:27.060 Really?

01:52:27.760 Never slept with a girl who has an OnlyFans.

01:52:29.640 You wouldn't?

01:52:31.140 No.

01:52:31.580 I mean, I think I've said before, at this point, it's pretty much a strong no.

01:52:37.120 I have made previous statements because people dig it up and be like, well, you said this

01:52:40.580 previously.

01:52:41.280 So what I have said previously is, and this is, I don't know, the last time I said this,

01:52:45.980 but so long as she hasn't done boy-girl content.

01:52:49.280 But then I started learning more about the nature of the OF stuff.

01:52:52.800 But not to date, to sleep with, I'm talking.

01:52:55.120 Oh, if a girl's done any sort of content with another man, I don't care how attractive she

01:52:59.760 is, I would not have sex with her.

01:53:00.800 Is it because it's out there, or do you care if she fucked other men as long as it's not

01:53:04.500 documented?

01:53:06.360 Do you want a virgin, or are you okay with a girl?

01:53:08.700 I'll date a woman who's not a virgin, but there is an issue if she's done content that's

01:53:12.420 out there.

01:53:12.600 That's what I'm asking.

01:53:13.520 It's a, you're okay with her having it.

01:53:15.700 So no, I've never slept, or hooked up, or dated with her.

01:53:18.860 It's a lot harder these days to meet a girl not only.

01:53:21.200 Yeah, well, I don't date content creators.

01:53:23.260 I don't date content creators.

01:53:24.520 Something I'm trying to help you with.

01:53:26.160 You've been hanging out, Andrew, too much.

01:53:28.760 It's a lot of fun.

01:53:29.900 No, I date like normal, quote unquote, civilians.

01:53:34.660 Or girls who have sex for free.

01:53:37.080 Well, so, also, I don't even.

01:53:39.020 They're fucking interns in this prostitution.

01:53:41.380 I don't even deal.

01:53:42.080 The difference is, I also think that's bad.

01:53:44.000 I don't even deal with girls who have sex for free.

01:53:45.880 Girls who are having sex outside of wedlock.

01:53:47.980 But you did that.

01:53:49.000 Yeah, so, if I had murdered people, and then told you murdering people was bad, murdering

01:53:53.600 people would still be bad, even if I didn't.

01:53:55.020 I agree, but I'd be like, I don't want to hear it from you.

01:53:57.300 It's like a fat person telling me to lose weight.

01:53:59.600 Would he be wrong?

01:54:00.720 That's it.

01:54:01.140 Would he be wrong?

01:54:01.800 No, no, no.

01:54:02.200 But I don't want to hear it from you.

01:54:03.380 It doesn't matter.

01:54:04.000 What you want to hear, what matters, what is true.

01:54:06.500 One second, one second.

01:54:07.320 As is the same the Nazis used in all those that looked away when millions are killed.

01:54:12.540 Also, Brian and I messaged on next Twitter, let me know if I should do them or otherwise.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, I mean, really quick.

01:54:20.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:20.960 The OnlyFans was a slippery slope to fucking outshort.

01:54:23.680 And by the way, you would think.

01:54:24.700 You would think for sure.

01:54:25.700 I mean, isn't that what your boy just said?

01:54:27.840 Yeah.

01:54:27.980 It's the same Nazi attitude?

01:54:29.320 I don't agree with that.

01:54:30.060 I don't even understand what the comment was.

01:54:31.500 It's the same, first of all.

01:54:32.980 The idea here.

01:54:34.000 First of all, he's Jewish.

01:54:35.200 I think some of the best advocates against and who are the most persuasive against OnlyFans

01:54:40.600 were women who were on OnlyFans.

01:54:42.800 Some of the most persuasive advocates against prostitution were women who were prostitutes.

01:54:47.520 Guess who's the best advocates against Starbucks?

01:54:49.220 Former employees, bro.

01:54:51.200 It's like in a shitty, in every industry, you're going to have people who come out and

01:54:54.740 be like, this shit sucks.

01:54:55.060 Yeah, but the reason they're convincing is because they can shed light on things that the public

01:55:00.920 does not know about.

01:55:02.200 To say, though, that we can't get great insight about serial killers from serial killers is

01:55:08.480 insane to say, because, Andrew, you had sex before marriage, that somehow that means

01:55:13.120 you can't talk about why you shouldn't have sex outside of marriage.

01:55:16.420 That's an insane take that makes no sense.

01:55:18.460 But why can't you have sex before marriage?

01:55:21.840 What is getting...

01:55:23.340 Can you imagine buying a car without test driving it?

01:55:26.080 Well, so...

01:55:26.880 That's insane, bro.

01:55:28.120 That's insane to be like...

01:55:29.300 You're not test driving a pussy.

01:55:30.920 I'm test driving everything.

01:55:32.500 Guess what?

01:55:32.900 If sex doesn't work, it doesn't work.

01:55:35.060 For most of human history, the reason that men wanted women who had a low body count,

01:55:38.860 no body count, in fact, virgins, is because it assured paternity, right?

01:55:42.860 You couldn't test drive it.

01:55:44.980 Right, you also didn't leave my zip code.

01:55:47.100 You didn't need to test drive it, because as it turns out, basically, all dicks fit into

01:55:51.300 all pussies.

01:55:52.180 Isn't that crazy?

01:55:52.780 No, there's a thing called sexual chemistry, bro.

01:55:54.940 I've had plenty of girls that I just don't vibe with sexually that I actually loved.

01:55:58.940 And then I'm like, I'm trying to find a girl that hits all the buttons for me.

01:56:03.380 Yeah, but you know what's really funny about that, right?

01:56:04.800 If you marry...

01:56:05.260 Do you like butt stuff?

01:56:05.740 If you marry as a virgin, and you are a virgin, right, your comparison level goes way down.

01:56:11.320 What's your comparison for what bad sex even is?

01:56:14.380 Well, that's the worst example of being like, I like vanilla ice cream because I've never

01:56:17.380 tried any of the other flavors, bro.

01:56:18.620 If every other form of ice cream was fucking poison, it would be a great example.

01:56:22.680 Well, what's poisonous about having sex and finding out what you like sexually?

01:56:26.400 Well, let me ask you a question.

01:56:28.560 Let me ask you...

01:56:29.120 You can't shotgun them.

01:56:30.040 Let me ask you a question.

01:56:30.720 One point at a time.

01:56:31.760 Don't shotgun the points.

01:56:32.740 One at a time.

01:56:33.340 Let's have a question for you.

01:56:34.540 And you can hold the question.

01:56:35.840 I'll answer it.

01:56:37.160 Right?

01:56:37.660 Well, there's two of you yelling at me, right?

01:56:38.940 I haven't said shit in months.

01:56:40.100 Don't cry.

01:56:40.920 I'm trying not to.

01:56:41.860 You spoke, man.

01:56:42.420 So anyway, back to this.

01:56:44.900 Yes, here's what we see with people who are virgins who get married.

01:56:48.500 It lasts way longer than people who aren't virgins who get married.

01:56:51.300 And their sexual satisfaction rates at their report are much higher.

01:56:54.280 The reason for this, the scientific reason for this, is because if you have a sample size

01:56:59.800 which is lower, there's nothing to compare it to.

01:57:02.280 Right, but that's not a good argument.

01:57:03.420 That is the most amazing sex they could ever have from their perspective.

01:57:08.220 If that's good for society, great.

01:57:09.980 But, I, so, so, fine.

01:57:14.340 But science doesn't, but science doesn't, I'm going to be a shitty dad, but if he never

01:57:19.140 meets other parents, he'll think I'm good.

01:57:20.520 I'm with Andrew, but the best point you two have made was if you make something illegal,

01:57:24.460 you make it more enticing, Autobahn X.

01:57:27.540 Yeah, I mean.

01:57:28.180 If you meet, I would be a safer driver knowing that it's up to my judgment.

01:57:31.840 Thank you, Alex.

01:57:32.400 Let's just say, I love, there's another one coming in, and I'll pause it for a few minutes

01:57:36.780 to let you guys get through it fully.

01:57:38.640 Thank you, Alex.

01:57:39.280 That's for sure.

01:57:39.940 We're churning some of your fans.

01:57:41.300 Do you see that?

01:57:42.380 Appreciate it, Alex.

01:57:43.320 We have another one coming in from Sons of Liberty.

01:57:46.160 Thank you, man.

01:57:46.600 Appreciate it.

01:57:47.580 You two and I are different men to the core.

01:57:49.940 Seems your morality rests on the seven deadly.

01:57:52.820 Some men view sex as sacred and porn as degeneracy.

01:57:55.840 The hat guy's dad was harsh and rarely said he loved him.

01:57:59.160 Wait, where did that go?

01:57:59.860 They're bullying you.

01:58:00.900 I don't care.

01:58:01.340 My dad loves me.

01:58:02.440 I'm close to my dad.

01:58:03.260 My dad loves me, too.

01:58:04.020 Sure.

01:58:04.260 I love you, dad.

01:58:05.280 Thank you, Sons of Liberty.

01:58:06.100 I'm going to pause the TTS temporarily just so you guys can get through it.

01:58:08.820 Well, my argument to you is, dude, while sure, you couldn't have all the scientific data

01:58:12.440 to back that up, but I think being a human being to me is like I don't want to commit

01:58:17.040 to something without knowing what's out there, right?

01:58:19.860 Like I don't eat only one type of food.

01:58:22.160 I explore it all.

01:58:23.020 Shit I like.

01:58:23.500 Shit I don't like.

01:58:24.200 Guess what?

01:58:24.680 I like fucking girls in the butt.

01:58:26.160 If I don't know my girl likes it in the butt, that's never going to work.

01:58:29.860 Guess what?

01:58:30.160 If my girl is vegan, we're never going to work either, right?

01:58:33.560 So there's certain things I need to know before I go, you're my girl forever, right?

01:58:37.980 You marry forever, right?

01:58:38.880 So if your woman doesn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her.

01:58:43.640 I'm sorry.

01:58:44.340 If your woman didn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her?

01:58:48.180 If your woman didn't have kids, you wouldn't know if you wanted to have kids with her.

01:58:52.620 Is that correct?

01:58:54.800 If I don't have kids with her?

01:58:56.760 Yes.

01:58:57.280 So what?

01:58:57.720 If she doesn't have kids, you would have nothing to sample it against.

01:59:01.880 So then why would you have kids with her?

01:59:03.560 I think that's a terrible way to look at life.

01:59:04.960 I don't understand that argument.

01:59:05.920 I just don't want kids.

01:59:06.440 So let's try this again.

01:59:07.400 Yeah, explain it to me.

01:59:08.180 It's just confusing me.

01:59:08.940 You're saying I must fuck you to know if we're sexually compatible and we have blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:59:14.380 Well, then why shouldn't you go with a chick who has kids?

01:59:17.380 That way you can make sure she's a good mother.

01:59:19.200 No, because I don't need a mother.

01:59:21.500 I'm not looking for a mother.

01:59:22.560 But a good mother for your kids.

01:59:24.040 Yeah, but I find that in her other personality types.

01:59:26.500 Oh, wait.

01:59:27.700 You mean you can know that you have sex until she sucks it?

01:59:32.160 Wait, wait.

01:59:32.400 No matter how much my girlfriend's like, ooh, baby, look at me.

01:59:35.800 You can't know she's going to be a good mother for your kids unless she already has kids.

01:59:39.040 Yeah, I can.

01:59:40.040 How?

01:59:40.480 Because she can take care of herself, her life, everything around her.

01:59:43.040 That doesn't prove that she would be a good mother any more than it would prove.

01:59:47.440 First of all, I don't believe for a second that you don't know if you have sexual chemistry with a woman until you've slept with her.

01:59:54.320 Because the reason you want to sleep with her is because you have sexual chemistry.

01:59:57.440 The one I sleep with her is because I'm horny, dude.

01:59:59.900 Yeah, I don't know.

02:00:00.480 I disagree.

02:00:00.920 So you just fuck everything you see?

02:00:03.640 Yeah.

02:00:04.060 Oh, okay.

02:00:04.860 That's the idea.

02:00:05.380 We didn't grow up gorgeous like you, dude.

02:00:07.520 That's the idea.

02:00:08.060 Okay, so if you see it, yeah, fuck it.

02:00:10.520 If I drink six shots of tequila, I'll literally sleep with anyone with a heartbeat at the end of the night, right?

02:00:17.740 It's better than my head.

02:00:18.480 What I'm saying is if you can create indicators for why a woman X would be a great mother, even if she doesn't have kids, for you to make a comparison, you can find indicators for sexual compatibility outside of sex.

02:00:31.680 That argument makes no sense.

02:00:33.420 What?

02:00:33.740 What are the sexual indicators until I fuck you?

02:00:36.940 Well, let's start with this.

02:00:38.140 Let's start with the idea that if you have nothing to compare it to, you're a virgin, she's a virgin, it's going to be the best sex you've ever had.

02:00:43.760 No matter what, it's the only sex you've ever had.

02:00:45.500 Actually, it's the worst sex you've ever had.

02:00:46.540 Can I chime in for one second?

02:00:47.080 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

02:00:48.320 Bro, you can't possibly.

02:00:49.460 I love you, but you can't be defending being a virgin.

02:00:51.920 First, let's move on to the next thing.

02:00:53.480 I'll defend being a virgin, too.

02:00:54.660 Yeah, not only that, but let's move on.

02:00:56.340 You're not.

02:00:57.060 Let's move on to the next idea.

02:00:58.480 Some of these comments are virgin, for sure.

02:01:00.040 Oh, wait, really, really hot woman who I'm dating right now, who I'm sexually charged up about.

02:01:05.460 I'm just certain that we're not going to have any sexual chemistry at all, even though people who've waited to have sex for months with each other say it's some of the best sex that they've ever had because they waited.

02:01:15.320 Right, and then sometimes, dude, I've been with girls that I thought were going to be great in bed, and they're not.

02:01:21.720 And then you go, you know what?

02:01:22.760 I need those pieces in my life, so I'm sorry.

02:01:25.000 Wait, can't you teach a girl?

02:01:26.820 You can't teach a girl how to be good in bed.

02:01:28.840 You teach a girl what?

02:01:29.820 You know there's that six?

02:01:30.700 How to suck a dick?

02:01:31.560 What am I, gay?

02:01:32.240 That you have the best sex with?

02:01:33.360 How would that be gay to tell her?

02:01:34.200 This is how you suck a girl.

02:01:35.500 No, you don't show her.

02:01:36.240 We all have that girl that we don't buy to make her practice.

02:01:38.860 You don't bust out of a banana.

02:01:39.180 No, no, no.

02:01:39.560 On who?

02:01:40.440 You.

02:01:40.980 Hey, back when you were doing the words.

02:01:42.060 But you read you.

02:01:42.860 What?

02:01:43.500 I prefer someone that shows up knowing how to play the game.

02:01:46.040 Did a woman get really, really good at having sex by having less or more sex?

02:01:50.440 Yeah.

02:01:50.920 Absolutely.

02:01:51.500 So they had more sex.

02:01:52.780 Why can't they just have the more sex with you?

02:01:56.240 For you to show up already good with guys that are better than me, bro.

02:01:58.940 No, wait.

02:01:59.420 You need guys to fuck your chick to make sure that she's good enough to fuck you.

02:02:03.800 Before me.

02:02:04.520 Okay, then.

02:02:05.720 You don't go to the Olympics for training four years.

02:02:07.600 Yeah.

02:02:07.940 I need men to fuck my chick so that she'll get good enough to have sex with me.

02:02:12.420 That's your position.

02:02:13.260 Yes.

02:02:13.440 No, I don't say that.

02:02:14.220 Wild.

02:02:14.520 I don't say that.

02:02:15.520 Wild position.

02:02:16.840 Okay.

02:02:17.200 No, before I meet her.

02:02:18.160 Can I say one thing?

02:02:19.360 Before I meet her.

02:02:20.020 But the idea of sheltering someone so they think you're good, if you relay that to any other

02:02:23.640 thing, it's awful.

02:02:23.800 Yeah, dude.

02:02:24.560 That's really fucking...

02:02:25.520 Okay, take it.

02:02:26.260 I shelter my kids from alcohol.

02:02:27.720 Wait, wait.

02:02:28.200 I shelter my kids from alcohol.

02:02:29.380 That's bad parenting?

02:02:30.220 What country is it, South Korea or North Korea, where they don't let you watch TV outside

02:02:34.120 to see how good the world is so their shitty lives don't look as bad?

02:02:36.580 Yeah, that's a fucking...

02:02:37.680 That's fucking awful.

02:02:38.680 That's an extraordinary...

02:02:39.400 That's what you're doing with your dick.

02:02:40.560 Wait, wait, wait.

02:02:41.480 That's an extraordinary example, but I would say this.

02:02:44.120 That's what he's doing with his dick.

02:02:45.040 There's all sorts of public smut.

02:02:46.800 You don't know how bad the other dicks are, wait your whole life to fuck me, and you'll probably

02:02:49.900 like it.

02:02:50.480 There's so much in the way of propaganda that if you remove from TV, it would be perfectly

02:02:55.320 acceptable for both you and I.

02:02:57.000 Not only that, you regulate this type of shit constantly.

02:03:01.200 Constantly in your daily life.

02:03:02.340 You don't even think twice about it.

02:03:04.840 Nonstop, all the fucking time.

02:03:06.520 Why do you got locks on your door?

02:03:08.080 Why?

02:03:09.060 Because I have shit you don't want to steal.

02:03:10.520 Yeah.

02:03:10.800 I just got a lot.

02:03:11.260 You got shit in there?

02:03:11.660 Because I've been using my dick pump.

02:03:12.700 My dick game's so good.

02:03:13.320 Crazy girls are coming back home.

02:03:14.440 So wait, so you make the assumption, you make the assumption, bad thing could happen, right?

02:03:18.620 Yes.

02:03:19.000 Yeah.

02:03:19.280 So you have a lock, you put the fucking lock on the door just in case bad things happen.

02:03:23.500 So you can make mitigation, mitigation from risk of bad thing happening.

02:03:28.360 So if you were to go to your kid, for instance, and say, see this alcohol, right?

02:03:33.080 Have a drink at 10, would they be more or less likely to become addicted to alcohol?

02:03:37.140 More likely.

02:03:37.560 More likely.

02:03:38.280 So keeping that away from them, keeping that experience from them is a fucking good thing.

02:03:42.460 Your example here is to say, no, keeping the experience away from them, you're sheltering

02:03:47.640 them and doing something evil.

02:03:48.580 It's like, no, the opposite is true.

02:03:50.520 But your kids will find it anyways, right?

02:03:52.520 But you're keeping it away from them.

02:03:53.440 But what does that mean?

02:03:54.320 Your kids will find it?

02:03:55.160 No, they won't necessarily find it anyways.

02:03:57.660 I drank booze at 14.

02:03:58.940 You know what?

02:03:58.960 A lot of these porn girls are Mormons, okay?

02:04:02.060 And they were sheltered their whole lives.

02:04:03.420 They went to all-girls school.

02:04:04.200 They weren't allowed to talk to boys.

02:04:05.420 And then when they turned 18, they say, now I want to get fucked by eight dicks in my mouth,

02:04:09.780 like you said.

02:04:10.260 Yeah, here's what's really funny.

02:04:11.300 Considering that the sample size of the United States mostly identifies as Christian, it

02:04:18.140 wouldn't surprise me if most people who were raised Christian end up in OnlyFans because

02:04:22.300 it's a much larger sample size.

02:04:24.620 No, I'm talking about the extremists.

02:04:27.540 The extremists that really...

02:04:28.820 Bro, if you say most of the fucking OnlyFans chicks in Utah are Mormons, that makes total

02:04:33.840 sense because most of the people in fucking Utah are Mormon.

02:04:36.500 Yeah.

02:04:37.060 That's why that makes sense.

02:04:37.980 That doesn't mean Mormonism equals porn.

02:04:43.420 I don't see other...

02:04:44.820 That's not what that means.

02:04:46.500 It means that if you fucking shelter someone too much, rebels are going to break out.

02:04:50.880 No, it doesn't mean that.

02:04:51.920 It just means that if your sample size is almost 100% of this, that if any deviation of this

02:04:57.940 is this other thing, becomes this other thing, that was the whole sample size to pull from.

02:05:02.560 It doesn't mean being this leads to that.

02:05:05.960 That would be an insane correlation.

02:05:08.000 Nutty correlation.

02:05:08.500 I'm not saying every time.

02:05:09.500 You're getting the destiny L right now.

02:05:11.840 I'm not saying every time.

02:05:13.200 I'm saying I've met girls that weren't allowed to speak to a boy until they're 18 and now

02:05:17.040 they're getting gangbanged.

02:05:17.780 Yeah.

02:05:17.960 Hey.

02:05:18.360 What's that say?

02:05:19.100 I would also say a lot of this is individual, right?

02:05:21.180 Listen, your shelter, shelter, shelter life, they're going to break free and they're going

02:05:24.760 to go the opposite direction of what you want.

02:05:26.340 Oh, it's shelter.

02:05:26.960 Here.

02:05:27.460 Let me just...

02:05:28.200 Telling them they can't fuck.

02:05:28.980 Face to the screen and play porn 24 hours, otherwise you're sheltered.

02:05:32.160 You're going to tell your daughter that she can't fuck till marriage, right?

02:05:34.940 I'm going to tell her that she would have the best results in her life not to, yes.

02:05:38.320 That's insane.

02:05:38.760 Based on your son.

02:05:39.960 What about your son?

02:05:40.860 Your son too?

02:05:41.560 Yeah, of course.

02:05:42.440 Your son, that's fucking insane.

02:05:44.000 Girl, I get it.

02:05:44.540 You want to protect her from bad guys out there?

02:05:46.000 Cool.

02:05:46.680 That's fine.

02:05:47.140 That's your view.

02:05:47.600 Yeah.

02:05:48.140 But a dude?

02:05:49.180 Yeah.

02:05:49.440 At 18?

02:05:50.120 Yeah.

02:05:50.780 Who's going to have great results?

02:05:51.680 In Cancun on spring break?

02:05:52.780 Yeah.

02:05:53.040 You better not fuck anyone, son.

02:05:54.460 Yeah, it's going to be real bad for you.

02:05:55.500 You know who won't get any STDs?

02:05:56.840 Crazy.

02:05:57.220 Is he going to get STDs?

02:05:58.420 You could get STDs from the first girl you fuck.

02:05:59.740 Is he going to get STDs if he's in Cancun and everyone's fucking by him?

02:06:02.840 It's a safe dice roll for me.

02:06:04.660 You already got them.

02:06:05.660 What do you mean?

02:06:06.260 Bro, STDs are like scraping your nose these days.

02:06:08.060 Four pills and I'm good, baby.

02:06:09.140 I'm back in block.

02:06:10.420 Yeah.

02:06:10.720 Two antibiotic pills later.

02:06:11.980 You're fucking golden.

02:06:13.160 Thank God.

02:06:13.960 I would have to take two pills.

02:06:14.920 I got to fuck all the women I did before marriage.

02:06:17.240 It's like drinking tequila.

02:06:18.460 When I wake up, pop two Advil, I'm fine.

02:06:20.160 So yeah, again, this argument makes no sense.

02:06:22.560 Because from your worldview, then, you should have a 13-year-old son tape his fucking face

02:06:27.380 to the computer and play porn for 24 hours.

02:06:29.820 No, no, no.

02:06:30.240 He needs to know every single type or he will never know what he's missing out on.

02:06:34.080 I just think...

02:06:34.620 Right?

02:06:34.960 Hang on, right?

02:06:35.700 That's honest.

02:06:36.220 I think you guys are arguing extremes here.

02:06:40.420 I'm with the...

02:06:41.880 Hey, I don't care that porn exists.

02:06:44.300 I'm not shoving it in front of anyone's face.

02:06:46.680 But I could give a fuck less that it's out there.

02:06:49.320 It's literally doing no harm.

02:06:50.940 It's clearly doing a lot of harm.

02:06:53.280 And I showed you all the different rates of harm that it does.

02:06:55.940 It's insane.

02:06:55.960 I mean, you're a good talker, dude.

02:06:57.600 And that's great.

02:06:58.840 But at the end of the day, I'm not taking advice from a guy who has an invisible friend

02:07:02.760 in the sky.

02:07:04.140 That's it.

02:07:04.840 I can't.

02:07:05.440 And you're a scientist.

02:07:06.540 Wait, wait, wait.

02:07:07.100 Don't take advice from a guy who says you have fucked dead bodies.

02:07:09.880 Wait.

02:07:10.760 Please don't take my advice.

02:07:12.200 But so, yes, Andrew is.

02:07:14.760 He's a orthodox Christian, but he's making secular arguments.

02:07:18.540 He's not arguing.

02:07:19.140 I've not made a single religious argument.

02:07:20.000 He's not making religious arguments.

02:07:21.580 I think not letting you stop talking until marriage is the same.

02:07:24.000 So just so you know...

02:07:24.680 But you're saying because I'm a degenerate.

02:07:26.020 Let me explain.

02:07:26.720 No, I'm not.

02:07:27.200 I never said because you're a degenerate...

02:07:28.200 You introduce yourself as a degenerate.

02:07:29.440 And he's religious.

02:07:30.580 Never said because you're a degenerate you're wrong or your arguments are wrong.

02:07:34.060 He said your arguments are wrong because your arguments are wrong.

02:07:36.780 You just also happen to be a degenerate.

02:07:38.800 Me, my arguments are right, and I happen to be a Christian, but I'm not making Christian

02:07:42.680 arguments.

02:07:42.760 Yeah, but your arguments are right because you're saying so, dude.

02:07:46.040 Because if your arguments were right, you'd be in charge of this fucking country if you

02:07:49.340 think that you're, like, all-knowing.

02:07:50.740 You're saying in the world...

02:07:51.980 I didn't say I'm all-knowing.

02:07:52.640 So then your arguments are just like, I know how to solve every problem.

02:07:55.040 My arguments can be your arguments, and I still am not all-knowing.

02:07:56.880 So what arguments did you be?

02:07:58.940 You can't prove to me...

02:08:00.240 By the way, this whole thing, the whole thing, too, this is fallacious thinking.

02:08:04.000 And let me explain the fallacy that you're engaging in.

02:08:06.100 The fallacious way that you're thinking right now is to say it's called a genetic fallacy.

02:08:11.140 Because you are this, everything you say is wrong.

02:08:14.760 That's fucking...

02:08:15.500 That's fallacious thinking.

02:08:17.060 It's called the genetic fallacy.

02:08:19.180 Because you engage in porn, I'm not going to listen to what you say about, I don't know,

02:08:24.380 brushing your teeth on Thursday because you're in porn.

02:08:27.640 Does that even make sense?

02:08:28.820 I feel like that's how you feel.

02:08:30.040 That's literally how you feel.

02:08:31.920 Yeah, that is your stance.

02:08:32.280 You wouldn't talk to a porn star.

02:08:33.500 I feel like that's how you feel.

02:08:34.420 That's you, yes.

02:08:35.160 That's exactly you.

02:08:35.800 I'm taking a guess.

02:08:36.660 I demonstrate that that's what I do.

02:08:37.580 I'm just taking a guess that you wouldn't hang out with a porn star, right?

02:08:40.840 I can deduce that you wouldn't hang out with a porn star.

02:08:42.840 Bro, when it comes to this, if a person is engaging in a lifestyle like that, of course,

02:08:48.120 I will talk to them, I'll engage with them, but of course, I'm not going to engage in

02:08:53.920 anything which would lead me towards degeneracy.

02:08:56.780 So, yes, I distance myself from people who do acts that I think are bad.

02:09:00.840 Yes, I do that.

02:09:01.420 Hey, here's what I think, okay?

02:09:02.880 I think 99%, maybe not you, but Brian, I think too, 99% of all these, the girls are whores,

02:09:10.100 fuck these women, all these guys commenting fucking OnlyFans.

02:09:12.660 Who haven't said that.

02:09:13.480 Those guys, but these people that hate on girls doing OnlyFans and stuff, if they were

02:09:18.560 at a party and one of the fucking hottest ones walked up to them and said, you're cute, let

02:09:22.080 me suck your dick in the bathroom.

02:09:23.320 That's fucking disgusting.

02:09:25.340 Fuck yeah.

02:09:25.940 I think you're right.

02:09:26.580 Some of them would.

02:09:27.300 Most, 99%.

02:09:28.480 Not sure how that makes a single point for you, though.

02:09:30.560 It's the guys that get no pussy that are hating on these girls.

02:09:33.560 Fuck them, fuck them.

02:09:34.540 If this girl turns around and says, let me suck your dick in the bathroom, they're unzipping

02:09:38.600 their pants faster than anyone I know.

02:09:40.000 Wait a second.

02:09:40.780 100 fucking percent.

02:09:41.560 Now we've got to untangle these two arguments.

02:09:42.960 And I think you would too.

02:09:43.920 So argument one, I think you would do it with a guy and an animal, a barnyard animal.

02:09:49.040 Literally.

02:09:49.580 I think you'd fuck a sheep.

02:09:50.860 That's fucked up.

02:09:51.600 Well, I mean, if you just want to make allegations, if you just want to make allegations, we'll just

02:09:55.360 make allegations, right?

02:09:56.420 Or you can keep it to the domain of logic.

02:09:58.440 So if you keep it to the domain of logic, won't tangle your two arguments.

02:10:00.860 I agree with the first one.

02:10:01.980 Yes.

02:10:02.240 I think some of the men who cap on these OnlyFans girls and shit like that, definitely would

02:10:07.580 sleep with some of them.

02:10:08.520 Fucking right.

02:10:08.920 But when you say all of them would do that, not even fucking close.

02:10:11.600 I said 99% would.

02:10:12.960 Not even close.

02:10:14.040 And you could never demonstrate it in a million years.

02:10:15.700 We could actually, because I've seen social experiments where they go up to these guys

02:10:19.300 that hate on these women.

02:10:19.880 It's an individual thing.

02:10:20.340 And they flirt with them and the guys flip a fucking switch right away.

02:10:23.220 Show them.

02:10:23.580 It's easy to hate on something.

02:10:25.320 There's no social experiment that shows that, bro.

02:10:27.320 You know what?

02:10:27.400 Fuck LeBron.

02:10:27.960 He's the worst.

02:10:28.360 No, he's not.

02:10:29.160 You're hating on someone that is greater than you.

02:10:31.860 And fuck him, Jordan.

02:10:33.360 Fuck.

02:10:33.940 Who says fuck LeBron?

02:10:35.000 Then let me ask you a question.

02:10:35.520 Now fuck this hot girl.

02:10:36.540 Fuck Sky Breeze.

02:10:37.500 You would do anything to fucking get a...

02:10:39.920 Yeah.

02:10:40.280 Let me ask you this.

02:10:40.880 To smell her hair.

02:10:42.060 So let me ask you this then.

02:10:43.640 And we'll just see...

02:10:44.140 Erroneous.

02:10:44.500 We'll just see which one of us kind of has the right way of thinking about this.

02:10:48.660 Let's say a girl walks over to a guy.

02:10:50.860 She's really, really hot.

02:10:51.960 And she says, hey, man.

02:10:53.740 Okay.

02:10:54.120 I have fucked 1,000 men.

02:10:56.200 And I want you to be 1,001.

02:10:58.440 Right next to her is a girl who's equally hot.

02:11:00.740 And she says, I fucked no men.

02:11:03.400 And I want you to be the first one.

02:11:05.320 Which one does he fuck?

02:11:06.320 Oh, no, no.

02:11:06.660 Can I answer?

02:11:07.120 Hang on.

02:11:07.240 No.

02:11:07.520 Let him answer.

02:11:08.080 Which one does he fuck?

02:11:09.360 Can I answer?

02:11:10.200 Which one does he...

02:11:11.160 Let him answer.

02:11:12.060 Which one does he fuck?

02:11:13.000 If you're picking a kickball team.

02:11:15.280 Which one does he fuck?

02:11:17.000 A lot of question.

02:11:18.620 Okay.

02:11:18.940 So if each of them were presented separately, he's doing both.

02:11:22.620 No.

02:11:23.000 But with those two options together, I would disagree with Karell.

02:11:27.300 I like the one that hasn't had as many, personally.

02:11:30.980 But I'm fucking both.

02:11:31.740 Let me ask you a question.

02:11:32.920 No.

02:11:33.320 That doesn't win any arguments.

02:11:34.720 If you're trying to get...

02:11:35.580 That doesn't win any arguments at all.

02:11:36.280 If you're trying...

02:11:37.360 Guy wants this dude to be a fucking version of his son.

02:11:40.760 He's going to get a smoke.

02:11:42.020 Crazy.

02:11:42.900 How long does this go?

02:11:44.200 Ryan, would you want your son to be a virgin at marriage?

02:11:47.920 Well, I want my son to be...

02:11:49.440 You don't really chime in in this podcast at all.

02:11:50.220 Yeah.

02:11:50.560 Where the fuck are you at, Ryan?

02:11:51.280 You guys are too loud.

02:11:53.180 I try to get a couple words in.

02:11:54.660 You're the one who's yelling at people, usually.

02:11:56.880 Thank God.

02:11:57.600 Hey, you know what?

02:11:58.240 Thank his God that I'm not his son.

02:12:00.420 Because sex is fucking cool.

02:12:02.000 And it's fucking awesome.

02:12:03.000 And it's some of the best shit of my life.

02:12:04.540 I actually don't think I would have any issues if my son waited until marriage.

02:12:10.140 I also wouldn't care.

02:12:12.100 I don't care.

02:12:12.560 I don't want to think about my son's dick.

02:12:14.640 It's not thinking about your son's dick.

02:12:16.820 Right?

02:12:17.080 At the end of the day, if my son wants to fuck at 15 or at 37, I'll be like, that's your fucking life, dude.

02:12:23.220 Your body, your choice.

02:12:25.360 Well, we can talk about abortion if you want to.

02:12:28.840 All day.

02:12:30.420 Fucking.

02:12:30.960 Do you see the traffic getting up here?

02:12:32.200 So I do.

02:12:32.640 We're already at 212.

02:12:33.320 Hold on.

02:12:34.080 Andrew is going to come.

02:12:34.560 Should we wrap it?

02:12:35.120 Let's wrap it.

02:12:36.140 How about we'll do another.

02:12:37.520 Let me see how long we've been going here.

02:12:39.100 212, it says.

02:12:39.860 Anything over two hours and 30, I charge $100 a minute.

02:12:43.020 Yeah, we have to charge the Tesla.

02:12:44.420 Oh, my God.

02:12:45.060 I got to get home.

02:12:45.680 I know.

02:12:46.560 Do you understand, but I also will say this.

02:12:48.320 I will pay you one compliment.

02:12:49.420 And I said it to him in the car.

02:12:50.520 Very, very crazy that you get girls to drive two hours, get berated, and drive home for

02:12:58.820 two hours.

02:12:59.480 Because you truly do feel like a little bit of a prostitute doing that run.

02:13:03.460 The driving to you to get abused and then drive home.

02:13:07.560 I could have moved this to L.A. two years ago.

02:13:09.540 Yeah, you're real.

02:13:10.340 You're kind of a real genius piece of shit.

02:13:13.000 You're like, I'm going to give them the, after I berate them, they still have a two hour

02:13:17.780 drive home to decompress.

02:13:19.000 I don't really think I berate them all that much.

02:13:21.160 I don't know.

02:13:21.600 I'm pretty reasonable.

02:13:22.980 I mean, from what I've seen, I match energy.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, you're very quiet.

02:13:25.960 I match energy.

02:13:27.260 If somebody's being polite and conducting themselves properly, I tend to remain.

02:13:32.960 Do you watch porn?

02:13:34.560 Sure.

02:13:35.080 Yeah, occasionally.

02:13:35.980 I'm just asking.

02:13:36.840 Although pretty rarely.

02:13:39.380 Very rarely.

02:13:39.540 Why?

02:13:39.720 Do you have a girl?

02:13:40.860 I can't speak about my relationship status.

02:13:42.860 Okay, so you're just like the OnlyFans girls.

02:13:44.460 You lie about who you're with.

02:13:45.620 I don't lie.

02:13:46.500 So you have or you don't have?

02:13:47.760 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:13:49.300 Hold on.

02:13:50.100 I can't speak about it for security safety reasons.

02:13:53.300 Why?

02:13:54.020 Oh, people want to kill your boyfriend?

02:13:55.540 Huh?

02:13:55.880 I'm kidding.

02:13:56.440 Yeah.

02:13:57.160 Is she that hot?

02:13:58.120 Death, death, death threat.

02:14:00.100 You have death threats?

02:14:01.240 Oh, yeah.

02:14:01.520 But don't you think that's insane?

02:14:02.200 Also, given the nature of my show, like, because also, I don't date content creators.

02:14:07.660 I don't date these OS girls.

02:14:08.640 She's a pedestrian.

02:14:09.900 Normal girl.

02:14:10.460 So I'm not going to like a normal girl who's got a normal job.

02:14:13.640 There's no...

02:14:14.520 I could be dating a girl for two years.

02:14:16.340 Nobody in my audience knows about it.

02:14:18.300 They would never know.

02:14:19.380 I keep it very private.

02:14:20.660 Like, with my family, for example.

02:14:22.440 I'm not bringing my family into this.

02:14:24.500 Shout out to Tom.

02:14:25.840 I do want to ask you guys a question, though.

02:14:28.840 Do you want to ask you guys a question?

02:14:29.800 Andrew kind of brought it up.

02:14:31.160 But so for you guys specifically, and I would like an answer from the both of you, for you

02:14:35.240 guys specifically individually, would you prefer to date a woman's same attractiveness,

02:14:41.420 date a woman who's a virgin, or date a woman who slept with a thousand men previously?

02:14:47.820 Depends how I'm feeling that day.

02:14:49.240 Hold on.

02:14:49.860 This is to...

02:14:51.020 You want me to answer?

02:14:51.940 Yeah.

02:14:52.240 Starting with you.

02:14:53.420 I'm going to be 100% honest.

02:14:54.780 100% honest.

02:14:55.260 100% honest with you.

02:14:56.580 Like, if you asked me this question when I was 21, I was a much more jealous and secure

02:15:02.480 man about how sex works and how people work.

02:15:05.320 And like, I'm from nightlife.

02:15:07.060 I understand, like, people just fuck, right?

02:15:10.180 And so now at age 40, yeah, I wouldn't...

02:15:14.700 To me, there's really no difference between the two.

02:15:17.260 Actually, the girl with no experience is guaranteed to be a terrible time for me, right?

02:15:22.960 So you would pick the girl who slept with a thousand men?

02:15:25.260 If I'm asking somebody to roof my house, I'm going to go with someone who's got the hours

02:15:29.740 versus some newbie, right?

02:15:31.920 If I'm going to be honest, I'm going to pick the person who can get the job done, right?

02:15:36.880 Are you going to ask a video editor who's never edited video, or are you going to get a guy

02:15:40.040 who's edited thousands of hours of video?

02:15:42.100 I don't really think that this comparison maps...

02:15:44.220 Yeah, it does.

02:15:45.040 Practice makes perfect, bro.

02:15:46.960 Then why can't they practice with you?

02:15:49.220 They make themselves perfect.

02:15:50.540 Because I'm not willing to sit there and fucking be your coach.

02:15:54.460 Yeah, okay.

02:15:55.020 So, but if you were a virgin and you married a woman who was a virgin, why couldn't they

02:15:59.460 continuously practice by the art of having sex?

02:16:02.080 Dude, I'm not against that.

02:16:03.140 Why would that be problematic in any way?

02:16:04.520 I'm not against that.

02:16:05.300 It's not problematic.

02:16:06.220 That's what you wanted.

02:16:07.240 That's cool.

02:16:07.760 But some guys, like, I'd rather be with a girl who's been around the block, and that's

02:16:12.840 okay, too.

02:16:13.280 Wait, but sex is not a complicated procedure.

02:16:15.460 I don't think most men are.

02:16:16.520 I'm not disagreeing.

02:16:17.320 I'm not most men, dude.

02:16:18.300 Like, my girlfriend is not most girlfriends to put up with the shit I do for a living.

02:16:22.160 You're asking, you're debating with a guy who's not most men.

02:16:25.880 Sure.

02:16:26.080 So, obviously, you're probably closer to most men, right?

02:16:29.880 You probably are, right?

02:16:31.020 I don't know.

02:16:31.360 Maybe.

02:16:31.680 According to this and according to this podcast, right?

02:16:34.040 So, you're kind of, you brought, you know, we're here, but we're kind of giving you

02:16:39.900 a very different perspective than probably most people will give you.

02:16:44.460 So, it's like, you can't.

02:16:45.320 I think that's fair.

02:16:45.700 Yeah, that's it.

02:16:46.440 Like, I have a weird relationship with sex.

02:16:48.400 It's different to me.

02:16:49.220 I've never had, you know.

02:16:51.120 Are you, like, kind of more of a, I'm not trying to, like, poke fun at you.

02:16:54.600 You can poke fun at me all you want to.

02:16:56.060 Are you more submissive?

02:16:58.140 Sexually?

02:16:58.680 Yes.

02:16:59.020 I am, no, I'm not, but I'm also very boring in bed.

02:17:09.220 Like, I'm not, like, a crazy guy where I'm like, oh, my God, you got to do this and this

02:17:12.740 and this for me to come, right?

02:17:14.680 But then why is this, all this experience so necessary?

02:17:17.000 It's necessary because I would like to, look, I'm a piece of shit.

02:17:20.880 Like, I'm not going to practice for that girl, but I would like a girl that has a little

02:17:23.640 practice.

02:17:26.320 You've never gotten a bad blowjob?

02:17:28.240 Sure.

02:17:29.360 Cool.

02:17:30.140 There you go.

02:17:30.800 Can't marry a girl that gives a bad blowjob.

02:17:32.460 It's just like, that's it.

02:17:35.360 You could probably teach her how to do it.

02:17:37.180 I mean, if it was that important to you.

02:17:38.340 You know, Chris Rock once said, a man is only as faithful as his options, right?

02:17:41.420 So, at the end of the day, if your girl is not licking your asshole and that's what

02:17:45.880 gets you off, guess what?

02:17:46.900 Someone else will.

02:17:47.640 Chris Rock said it.

02:17:49.100 That's fucking disgusting.

02:17:51.240 Chris Rock said it.

02:17:52.140 I mean, hey, what's wrong with that guy?

02:17:54.900 And do you want to get married one day?

02:17:56.800 I don't, I think the concept of marriage to me is like, yo, if it's like for my wife,

02:18:01.360 if she wants it, cool, I'll do it.

02:18:03.000 But like, I don't think they're, I don't need to do, like, I have you, you have me.

02:18:06.700 Yeah.

02:18:07.000 But you, you've been dating a girl for eight years.

02:18:10.020 Going in eight years.

02:18:10.540 And are you guys monogamous?

02:18:12.620 Completely.

02:18:13.420 Okay.

02:18:14.740 I'm a normal human being who has a weird job.

02:18:17.340 That's literally it.

02:18:18.420 And I have fucked up perspective on the world.

02:18:20.920 That's it.

02:18:21.360 Or maybe whatever.

02:18:22.400 For eight years you've been with her, there's not been like any periods where you guys broke

02:18:25.440 up or were on a break.

02:18:26.480 Nope.

02:18:26.560 So, and, but so, I mean, as far, I guess, going back to the whole, this whole thing of just,

02:18:35.560 I want to, for a long-term relationship, I can maybe, I personally, even for a one-time,

02:18:42.900 one-night stand, which I'm not particularly inclined to have, I prefer long-term relationships.

02:18:47.120 I prefer continuity.

02:18:48.080 I have heard men say, though, well, I guess for a one-night stand, it might be better if

02:18:52.880 she's a bit more experienced.

02:18:55.160 Even then, though, even if I was inclined to have a one-night stand, I'd prefer, I would

02:18:58.740 prefer a virgin.

02:18:59.620 I mean, most one-night, but most one-night stands kind of happen organically.

02:19:03.880 I'm not getting your fucking Kelly Blue Book value, right?

02:19:06.260 I'm literally meeting you at a bar and then we fuck and then it's like, okay, I'm not marrying

02:19:10.420 you.

02:19:10.960 Cool.

02:19:11.580 Right?

02:19:11.960 That's it.

02:19:13.320 So, I guess, okay, just for a long-term relationship.

02:19:16.660 For a long-term relationship, I also don't give a shit, dude.

02:19:19.160 Okay, so I'll just ask.

02:19:20.200 I'll just ask the question again, just to put it out there.

02:19:22.680 For a long-term relationship, would you prefer being with a woman who's a virgin or a woman

02:19:27.540 who's had sex with a thousand men before you?

02:19:30.280 Okay, so you're asking a completely, you know, it's a loaded question.

02:19:33.040 I'd prefer a woman with a hundred bodies, but it's fine.

02:19:36.280 Okay, a hundred.

02:19:36.860 Fine.

02:19:37.060 Over one.

02:19:37.540 That's fine.

02:19:38.340 I don't need, zero is, it says more about you to me than a thousand, right?

02:19:44.240 Zero is like, this girl has no sense of adventure.

02:19:46.660 This girl is boring.

02:19:48.160 This girl, what the hell?

02:19:49.160 Where'd she grow up?

02:19:49.640 I thought you liked boring sex, though.

02:19:51.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:19:51.760 I love a very exciting life.

02:19:53.700 I don't want a boring girl.

02:19:55.400 Oh, okay.

02:19:55.660 I don't want a boring human, right?

02:19:57.200 Like, if someone's like, I've never had a sip of alcohol, I'm like, get out of here.

02:20:00.520 Like, I don't want to hang out with you.

02:20:01.920 Like, you know what I mean?

02:20:03.220 So, a girl who's like, hey, I'm 40 and I've never been fucked, I'll be like, oh, shit.

02:20:07.680 And at age 36, when I was single, when I met her, dude, or 33, good luck finding a virgin at 40.

02:20:15.700 Yeah, sure.

02:20:16.400 It's harder.

02:20:17.080 Right?

02:20:17.420 So, that's it.

02:20:18.300 So, if I find a 40-year-old virgin, there's literally a movie called 40-year-old virgin.

02:20:22.100 If I find a 40-year-old virgin, I go, bro, what is wrong with this car?

02:20:24.560 Right, but you can find a low body count woman.

02:20:27.520 Bro, what is she?

02:20:28.220 I don't pull up the fucking hood and read the mileage, right?

02:20:31.180 At the end of the day.

02:20:31.880 I don't understand.

02:20:32.720 If you have to test drive the car first, wouldn't you also want to check the mileage?

02:20:37.240 No.

02:20:37.860 No?

02:20:38.380 That's the one thing we're not going to check on the car?

02:20:39.980 Because a pussy doesn't break.

02:20:40.460 Because a pussy doesn't break.

02:20:41.520 What's the gas mileage?

02:20:42.400 How long does it get on the road?

02:20:43.320 Yeah, because that's how long it's got on it.

02:20:45.060 When that engine blows, I don't give a fuck.

02:20:46.860 Right, right, right.

02:20:47.520 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:20:48.420 But now you're making a shitty argument and you're being funny, obviously, for the sake of the joke.

02:20:52.760 No, it's not a shitty argument.

02:20:53.720 What?

02:20:53.880 A pussy's going to fucking, what, overheat?

02:20:56.020 Like a car?

02:20:56.620 No.

02:20:56.760 I don't buy a car a lot of miles because it needs to last me.

02:20:59.820 My girl's vagina is not going to fall off after a year of being married.

02:21:04.200 But she's going to be the one chick.

02:21:05.340 That could be a train accident.

02:21:06.020 That's going to be the one chick you're going to have a long-term relationship with who somehow

02:21:09.300 is not going to be able to figure out your sexual preferences after years of sleeping with her?

02:21:13.600 Okay.

02:21:14.620 Do you think that makes sense?

02:21:16.060 Well, what if your girl's not into that, right?

02:21:18.620 Like, what if you find out your girl's like, I'm not licking your asshole?

02:21:21.400 Yeah, I think that if you sit well, I think that many girls probably wouldn't want to lick your asshole.

02:21:26.380 Oh, yeah.

02:21:26.900 Right, but there are plenty of girls that do.

02:21:28.900 There's girls that love licking bubbles.

02:21:30.440 You must have some kinks, right?

02:21:32.100 No.

02:21:32.280 What do you like?

02:21:32.960 No kinks.

02:21:33.600 You just do all three positions, bing, bang, boom.

02:21:35.640 There's three?

02:21:37.800 I like, like, he likes boring sex, right?

02:21:40.360 Good.

02:21:41.260 I try to not let my...

02:21:43.200 I don't need the rim job.

02:21:45.080 I guess that's not...

02:21:46.000 I don't need it, but I want it, right?

02:21:47.520 There's a difference.

02:21:47.960 I thought you wanted boring sex.

02:21:49.720 Now you want...

02:21:50.500 No, no.

02:21:50.860 I do boring sex.

02:21:53.120 I want you to not be boring.

02:21:54.220 They bring the heat, yeah.

02:21:55.240 Right?

02:21:55.480 Like, I can't wait to stop having boners.

02:22:00.540 Like, because the concept of sex to me is, like, at this age, I'm just over it.

02:22:06.620 Like, I don't care about it as much, right?

02:22:09.220 Do you?

02:22:09.900 But doesn't it devalue the experience that you have, and the reason you value it less is

02:22:15.400 because of how available it's always been to you?

02:22:18.280 No.

02:22:18.680 Oh, because I have a girl that'll live in and fuck me any time?

02:22:21.200 No, not a girl that'll fuck you any time, but if you've experienced and seen everything

02:22:25.700 that you've seen when it comes to the sexual marketplace, of course it's not going to excite

02:22:29.000 you.

02:22:29.080 That's the problem with porn.

02:22:30.420 Oh, no, no, no, no.

02:22:31.460 It's not that.

02:22:31.980 Porn itself, people's brains become rewired.

02:22:33.960 Nah, dude.

02:22:34.460 I don't jerk off the weird shit.

02:22:35.740 And you know this.

02:22:36.280 Yes, this is true.

02:22:36.920 You need more and more and more and more crazy shit in order to sexually stimulate them.

02:22:41.580 Yeah, but I'm telling, I'm just being real with you.

02:22:43.640 Like, I know that concept.

02:22:44.780 I 100% agree with that concept.

02:22:46.220 That's how you get fucking billionaires fucking children, right?

02:22:48.700 Because they need to satisfy some crazy urges that they fucked everyone else around.

02:22:52.920 I agree with you.

02:22:53.740 Yep.

02:22:54.020 I'm saying, for me, it's not because I'm overstimulated.

02:22:57.300 It's just I'm getting old.

02:22:58.720 Maybe I'm fucking losing my libido.

02:23:01.100 I'm just not a sexual guy.

02:23:02.940 No, I understand for you personally that could be the case, but you can understand from my

02:23:06.840 perspective when I say, look, I'm always excited around my wife.

02:23:10.400 I'm not overstimulated with needing more and more gradual, crazy shit in order to fucking

02:23:15.960 be sexually satisfied.

02:23:17.820 That is the part of experience I'm talking about.

02:23:20.560 It's not just the idea of getting in the car, right, and having to test drive it, but it's

02:23:26.260 also the understanding of, wait a second, if I go and get into too many cars, now I can

02:23:32.580 only drive a fucking Ferrari or else no car will do it for me anymore.

02:23:36.840 That's the problem.

02:23:37.320 So you're just lowering your standards.

02:23:38.520 It's not lowering your standards.

02:23:39.700 You're like, yo, if I don't experience a Ferrari, so you're kind of insulting your wife, honestly.

02:23:43.620 It's not.

02:23:44.580 So the greater way to respect her is to go fuck a bunch of women and then come to her

02:23:49.240 and say, you're better than them.

02:23:51.360 Yeah.

02:23:51.800 Yeah.

02:23:52.020 That's respectful.

02:23:52.980 Bro, I go eat at a lot of restaurants, but I go back to Avra and Beverly Hills.

02:23:56.080 I'm like, I'm so sorry for cheating on you.

02:23:57.620 Right.

02:23:58.100 You guys are amazing.

02:23:59.100 So your girl knows that I chose her.

02:24:02.280 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:02.720 And she chose me.

02:24:03.320 Has she ever told you that other guys she slept with are way better than you?

02:24:06.700 She doesn't need to, dude.

02:24:07.960 I know I'm worse.

02:24:08.700 Right.

02:24:08.880 You just assume it, right?

02:24:09.880 I know.

02:24:10.180 I know I'm worse.

02:24:10.860 You just assume it?

02:24:11.600 Yeah.

02:24:12.060 Yeah.

02:24:12.220 But if she had never slept with another guy, who would be the best guy she ever slept with?

02:24:15.300 You.

02:24:15.880 Yeah.

02:24:16.040 But my brain doesn't bother me that I'm the worst guy she slept with, right?

02:24:20.480 Like, that doesn't hurt my ego.

02:24:22.020 It might hurt your ego.

02:24:22.960 It's not egotistical.

02:24:24.020 My girl saying, yo.

02:24:25.240 It's the longevity of a relationship.

02:24:27.320 Bro, if my girl fucked a black dude before me, I can clearly say that I'm not the biggest

02:24:32.160 dick she's been on.

02:24:33.060 What if she fucked a hundred in a row before you?

02:24:35.020 Cool.

02:24:35.720 You don't care?

02:24:36.380 I don't.

02:24:37.280 Right.

02:24:37.700 Well, so there's the thing, right?

02:24:39.140 Is that I think that that's actually the more insecure than secure position.

02:24:42.480 Why is it insecure?

02:24:43.300 I'm insecure because what?

02:24:45.380 I'm willing to do something.

02:24:46.440 Because you're willing to settle for a chick who's been totally fucking run through with

02:24:52.000 a high body count.

02:24:53.180 Hang on, hang on.

02:24:54.040 By a hundred guys in a single night, that's what you say.

02:24:57.240 That's an insecure position.

02:24:59.100 A secure position is, I have fucking standards and you need to not be promiscuous and a piece

02:25:03.920 of fucking shit.

02:25:05.120 That's the more secure position.

02:25:06.420 I disagree.

02:25:06.980 I disagree.

02:25:07.740 I mean, it's pretty insecure to be like, I'm only going to marry the one girl I fuck.

02:25:11.760 Why would that be insecure?

02:25:12.840 Because you're so scared that you're like, if someone else did it better than you, she

02:25:16.620 needs to think I'm God.

02:25:17.940 Yeah.

02:25:18.180 You're like, if I'm her best, my below average cock is the best one, right, baby?

02:25:21.640 Everybody should get with, so everybody should get with mentally ill patients.

02:25:25.220 No, that's you.

02:25:26.240 That's what you're saying.

02:25:27.200 Bro, bro.

02:25:27.580 They have to.

02:25:28.620 If they don't, they're insecure because they haven't tested everything else out.

02:25:33.400 Nah, we're saying we don't give a fuck who they've been with.

02:25:35.660 You are saying that.

02:25:36.400 No, you are.

02:25:36.900 You're saying you don't want her to experience other dick in case it's better.

02:25:39.980 You're scared of that.

02:25:40.780 Bro, so you.

02:25:41.380 We're cool with it.

02:25:41.760 Go fuck Dredd.

02:25:42.500 Wait a second.

02:25:43.040 Go fuck Mandingo.

02:25:44.200 But you love me, baby?

02:25:45.160 I love you.

02:25:45.760 Let me get this right.

02:25:46.380 I'm glad we experienced life together.

02:25:47.840 So then, so then again, so then the question would come back to, why is it that you might

02:25:53.240 have a preference against not marrying a single mom, for instance?

02:25:57.560 Oh, because she keeps trophies.

02:25:59.500 Oh, oh, wait.

02:26:00.000 So that's it?

02:26:01.200 Yeah.

02:26:01.840 No.

02:26:02.220 I don't want to have a, no, I just don't want to pay for a kid I didn't make.

02:26:05.360 Wait, wait, wait.

02:26:05.540 It's nothing to do with someone cream pie to her.

02:26:07.040 Wait, it's fine.

02:26:07.340 It's nothing to do with, I don't want to raise someone else's child.

02:26:09.460 Right, okay.

02:26:10.380 So let me get this.

02:26:10.920 Not that I even said that.

02:26:11.640 So let me get this right.

02:26:13.840 Just want to make sure.

02:26:14.740 How could you judge that, though, if you've never yourself been a stepfather and married?

02:26:20.640 You have nothing to compare it to, right?

02:26:22.680 No, I have it compared to this.

02:26:23.840 I don't want to spend money or hang out with a child.

02:26:27.740 I just don't.

02:26:28.480 I don't want to hang out with someone.

02:26:29.920 I want to hang out with my girl and not be, look, my girlfriend, when we first started

02:26:33.480 dating, had a job where she had to be there seven days a week.

02:26:35.900 Yeah.

02:26:36.200 Right?

02:26:36.520 And I was like, dude, this isn't a relationship for me.

02:26:38.780 And she figured it out and she got her own different job.

02:26:41.200 If I know I'm going to go marry or hang out with a chick with a kid, I'm like, okay,

02:26:45.800 there's going to be a lot of obstacles in the way.

02:26:47.720 It's like having a dog.

02:26:48.780 I can't go on vacation with a dog.

02:26:50.180 So it's a standard.

02:26:51.460 I just don't.

02:26:52.240 So it's a standard.

02:26:53.020 It's not a standard.

02:26:53.980 It's not?

02:26:54.380 It's a convenience.

02:26:55.980 So you have standards based on your preferences.

02:26:58.660 Yeah.

02:26:59.040 So then if you have a standard based on your preference that you don't want to check who's

02:27:03.140 run through, how would that ever be an insecure position?

02:27:05.260 Because the reason.

02:27:05.840 Hey, I'm going to finish the question.

02:27:07.560 It's affecting your mind.

02:27:08.420 One at a time.

02:27:09.620 You're a presence.

02:27:10.060 Okay.

02:27:10.300 Let me ask you, but you called me insecure first.

02:27:12.480 It's a more insecure position, I think, to settle, to just settle for anything based

02:27:17.820 on the fact.

02:27:18.100 So do you think that if.

02:27:19.300 I think it is.

02:27:19.880 That someone who's had a lot of sex is a bad person and I can't love them?

02:27:25.280 No.

02:27:25.600 But what I'm saying is that it's a less secure position than a person who says, I actually

02:27:29.040 have preferences and standards and stick to them.

02:27:31.280 Yes.

02:27:31.540 And my preferences are standards.

02:27:33.020 Or whatever.

02:27:33.840 No.

02:27:34.380 Yeah.

02:27:34.520 It's a girl.

02:27:34.980 It's a, we're joking around, but like in reality, yeah.

02:27:39.280 I'd prefer a girl who's had some sex.

02:27:41.940 Yeah.

02:27:42.100 How much sex?

02:27:43.280 I don't know, but I don't care.

02:27:45.280 I don't ask.

02:27:46.060 I don't want to.

02:27:46.420 But isn't less body partners better?

02:27:51.040 I don't know.

02:27:51.880 You just don't know?

02:27:52.560 Dude, when I'm hanging out with a chick, I'm not like, yo, how many guys have you fucked

02:27:57.560 before me?

02:27:57.880 I mean, that conversation comes up in relationships.

02:27:59.480 It doesn't.

02:27:59.960 Yeah.

02:28:00.260 When you're fucking virgins, sure.

02:28:02.340 Yeah.

02:28:02.500 No.

02:28:02.760 Not when you're virgins.

02:28:03.340 When you're 21, dude, at 40, I'm not insecure.

02:28:06.520 I know that you're a human that's lived on this planet.

02:28:09.260 You probably got fucked and none of it's my business anymore.

02:28:12.920 Even if it's out there all over the internet, then it's your business.

02:28:15.400 Sure.

02:28:15.880 But I have to want to sign up for it.

02:28:17.320 Like, I can't.

02:28:18.300 But I'm not signing up for it.

02:28:19.420 But wait.

02:28:19.880 So the men who are, though, how could you say it's a more secure position?

02:28:23.780 It's not.

02:28:24.500 I'm not judging them.

02:28:25.560 It's you're a person who just wants that.

02:28:27.880 Can someone just, like, like something?

02:28:29.840 They could.

02:28:30.460 But I don't think that they're settling for that because that was their preference,

02:28:34.740 that they wanted a run-through chick who's now all over the internet.

02:28:37.820 I think they're settling for that.

02:28:39.320 Tell me how that could be wrong.

02:28:40.700 Your wife has been with guys before you, and you accepted that.

02:28:44.160 Sure.

02:28:44.740 That's it.

02:28:45.340 Right, but that's not.

02:28:46.220 That's it.

02:28:46.740 You're, again, preaching the different thing that you're doing.

02:28:49.160 Very strange.

02:28:49.820 Very strange.

02:28:50.420 First of all.

02:28:51.140 That's it.

02:28:51.560 There's a distinction between a woman who has a super low body count who you end up with,

02:28:57.300 especially if you, yourself, are promiscuous.

02:28:58.860 Wait, did you and your wife just ask body counts?

02:29:00.260 Stop.

02:29:00.380 Let me finish.

02:29:00.920 I'm just asking.

02:29:01.780 So let me finish.

02:29:02.460 We're having a conversation, bro.

02:29:02.960 Let me finish.

02:29:04.060 Oh, Jesus.

02:29:04.340 And then ask the question.

02:29:05.780 Okay, boss.

02:29:06.480 Otherwise, you shot.

02:29:07.260 Well, if you shotgun, I can't respond, right?

02:29:08.900 So there's a big distinction between that, between having a low body count woman and somebody

02:29:14.960 who's engaged in pornographic material, is engaged in OnlyFans materials, putting that

02:29:20.680 out there, has had sex with many men, which usually determines loyalty on top of that.

02:29:26.600 Huge distinction to be made between these things.

02:29:29.600 My preference was always a woman with a very low body count.

02:29:32.600 That's exactly what I got.

02:29:33.680 And I think that's because you're insecure that they hit, they fucked your girl better

02:29:37.080 than you are.

02:29:37.460 I don't even think you're insecure.

02:29:38.400 I think it's the opposite way.

02:29:40.420 I don't think you're insecure.

02:29:42.000 I don't think you're insecure.

02:29:43.260 I think you wanted that, right?

02:29:45.060 That's what you wanted.

02:29:45.840 And you found it and you got it.

02:29:47.320 And that's it.

02:29:48.140 It fucks your head up to think that like a guy rearranged her guts.

02:29:51.420 You know, that's your baby girl and some guy just fucking destroyed her.

02:29:54.900 That fucks you up.

02:29:56.100 Doesn't fuck us up.

02:29:56.940 That's all.

02:29:58.080 Yeah, you have no security.

02:29:58.600 And I know I'm not.

02:29:59.820 You're right.

02:30:00.360 You know what I'm saying?

02:30:00.960 No, we're just secure.

02:30:01.760 We're like, that's security.

02:30:03.040 She's in bed with me.

02:30:03.780 She's having fun with me.

02:30:04.340 No standards is the most.

02:30:05.320 You know what?

02:30:05.940 I'm happy she got good dick before me.

02:30:07.800 Let me ask you a question.

02:30:08.720 I'm happy.

02:30:09.480 Hey, if that's true.

02:30:10.400 Go get it, baby.

02:30:11.020 You lived a good life.

02:30:11.640 Let's find out if that's true.

02:30:12.960 Yeah.

02:30:13.280 So you get married.

02:30:14.320 You're going to let other dudes fuck your wife?

02:30:15.820 Nah.

02:30:16.120 You're insecure.

02:30:17.500 No, not at all.

02:30:18.800 Insecure.

02:30:19.380 It's insecurity.

02:30:19.600 However, I just did an open relationship in the spring and I loved it.

02:30:23.280 Hang on.

02:30:23.560 Why aren't you going to let other guys fuck your wife?

02:30:25.020 Because I tried the open thing and when I do get married, I think I'm going to go monogamy.

02:30:29.040 However, I'm open to open relationships leading up to marriage.

02:30:31.440 So you would let another guy fuck your wife?

02:30:33.620 No way.

02:30:34.160 When I get married, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there.

02:30:36.280 But I'm open to open relationships right now.

02:30:37.940 Yeah.

02:30:38.320 Yeah.

02:30:38.900 I am.

02:30:39.200 Wait, can I ask you a question?

02:30:40.280 You're open to open relationships because you're not in one.

02:30:42.660 No, I did it this summer.

02:30:43.800 I was in an open relationship.

02:30:44.700 It was fucking fun.

02:30:45.480 We're having threesomes.

02:30:46.160 So I just want to make sure that I got this straight.

02:30:48.020 Yeah.

02:30:48.220 But you are open to other men potentially fucking your wife when you get married.

02:30:53.560 When I get married, I believe I will go one-on-one.

02:30:56.300 Why?

02:30:57.000 I believe I will.

02:30:58.460 Because the thought of another guy fucking your wife.

02:31:01.620 No, then you're hanging up the hat.

02:31:02.840 Okay.

02:31:03.340 That shows...

02:31:03.940 Yeah.

02:31:04.100 It sounds like you're insecure.

02:31:05.840 Nah.

02:31:06.200 Why would...

02:31:06.520 That shows...

02:31:07.100 No, when I'm married to her...

02:31:08.200 Bro, there's a difference.

02:31:08.980 Wait, wait, wait.

02:31:09.440 If your wife wanted to go fuck other men, what would be the problem here?

02:31:13.280 Obviously, there's a difference between having people fuck your girl before you met her

02:31:16.920 and fucking your girl after you're dating.

02:31:19.800 Listen.

02:31:20.260 Huge difference.

02:31:20.640 I'm applying your standard to you.

02:31:22.280 I have no sense.

02:31:22.700 Not my standard to you.

02:31:23.560 But the thing is, the standard...

02:31:25.080 You're trying to match two separate things.

02:31:25.920 I don't have a standard in what I want a body to count to be.

02:31:29.940 I have standards in other things I look for in a person.

02:31:32.220 Yeah, but we're not talking about the standard itself.

02:31:34.840 We're talking about whether or not you're secure by the standard itself.

02:31:37.620 Okay, so I don't think I'm going to get married for a while.

02:31:39.480 Dude, I'm an insecure human being in life.

02:31:41.480 So I understand.

02:31:42.220 My next girlfriend, I want to be open.

02:31:43.460 But if the position is...

02:31:44.340 I'm going to be open with my next girlfriend.

02:31:45.000 It shows that I'm the most secure.

02:31:46.420 Because I'm willing to do the most degenerate shit.

02:31:48.860 Bro, do you understand?

02:31:49.820 You're just beating your chest being like, I'm secure.

02:31:51.880 Like, bro, who cares?

02:31:52.980 Like, you know who I support?

02:31:54.740 My boy, Destiny.

02:31:55.900 So back to the argument.

02:31:56.880 My guy, Destiny.

02:31:57.840 Yeah, your guy, Destiny.

02:31:58.760 Love, Destiny.

02:31:59.480 Yeah, remember how his wife got fucked by other dudes and then divorced him?

02:32:02.640 I don't know what happened after.

02:32:03.700 Yeah, she divorced him.

02:32:04.920 Did she divorce him?

02:32:05.500 Yeah, she divorced him.

02:32:06.320 My bad, Destiny.

02:32:07.020 Yeah, it sucks for Destiny.

02:32:08.020 But when I met him, he was happy.

02:32:09.480 Yeah, yeah, he was happy.

02:32:10.980 Yeah.

02:32:11.620 Now, ah, divorce.

02:32:12.880 But anyway, so back to this.

02:32:13.960 Didn't know that, Destiny.

02:32:14.340 Sorry to hear, buddy.

02:32:14.880 Yeah, back to this, right?

02:32:17.200 If you are making the standard that the most secure thing is to not give a shit about X,

02:32:21.620 Y, and Z, and that's what makes you secure, then if I apply the same standard to, wait,

02:32:26.220 suddenly we introduce another form of degeneracy into this, you don't like it, wouldn't that

02:32:30.960 be the most secure position?

02:32:32.460 Then it's, well, we can all have our standards.

02:32:35.340 So you got to make up your mind.

02:32:36.860 I think you just need two people to meet who have the same, like, boundaries and standards,

02:32:42.680 right?

02:32:42.820 Like, if I meet a girl who likes doing heroin, I'm not going to be able to date her, right?

02:32:47.160 It's just, that's never going to work.

02:32:49.180 So you met your chick.

02:32:50.100 I don't think that's an insecure position.

02:32:51.340 That isn't.

02:32:51.840 And you met your chick, and you're not insecure.

02:32:53.700 I met my chick, whether she fucked 10 guys or 20 guys, I don't care.

02:32:56.020 Yeah, you and your girl get to talk like, ah.

02:32:57.240 Because guess what?

02:32:57.920 Because guess what?

02:32:58.540 Our combined body counts less than fucking doing it.

02:33:00.500 So then when you say it's insecure, you're wrong.

02:33:04.440 No, but it's guys that are-

02:33:06.060 I don't think they're insecure.

02:33:06.660 Okay, you know what?

02:33:07.340 I'll tell you this, okay?

02:33:08.980 That's the point.

02:33:09.840 Guys, that like-

02:33:10.380 That was the point of the argument.

02:33:11.040 The Epstein shit, the psychology of that shit is they want to be the woman's-

02:33:17.020 And that's fucked up.

02:33:18.280 That is a fucked up way of thinking.

02:33:19.920 I think-

02:33:20.480 And I think it almost relays to-

02:33:22.200 We can't dive into this, but on this point-

02:33:24.480 I want a young girl who's never touched anyone but me.

02:33:26.520 I'm her god is where I think it stems from.

02:33:28.500 Hey, I'm going to totally agree that there are some men who are this way.

02:33:31.040 There's no doubt.

02:33:32.080 Okay?

02:33:32.560 I think a lot of the times, like those fucking rich Bohemian Grove weirdos with the goat

02:33:36.640 masks and shit like that are super rich and just fucking bored.

02:33:39.800 They're just fucking bored out of their mind and they do all sorts of weird, crazy, insane

02:33:45.480 shit because their life has no challenge and they just do that shit.

02:33:48.260 And if you read the writings, it sure appears that way.

02:33:50.400 That really doesn't have anything to do, though, with the standard of the common man.

02:33:54.500 Of which-

02:33:54.940 You know what?

02:33:55.400 I got one.

02:33:56.320 No matter how rich you are right now, you ain't fucking Epstein elite rich and you ain't

02:34:01.220 never going to be.

02:34:02.400 Those guys are in a way different category.

02:34:04.180 Yeah, those guys already fucked Scarlett Johansson and everyone else.

02:34:06.760 They've moved on to-

02:34:07.680 Let me tell you this.

02:34:08.600 I will bet you there's a direct correlation of guys with small dicks that want girls with

02:34:12.980 low body counts and guys with big dicks that don't give a shit.

02:34:15.060 Prove it.

02:34:15.660 I will bet you that.

02:34:16.760 Let's bet.

02:34:17.060 Because I talk to my big dick boys and they say-

02:34:18.800 I have a small dick and I love a high body count.

02:34:20.480 She loves it.

02:34:20.960 She loves it.

02:34:22.420 Guys, the little dickers-

02:34:23.440 Disproven.

02:34:24.380 Disproven.

02:34:24.780 The little dickers running around, oh shit, she fucked him.

02:34:28.220 She's never going to like me.

02:34:29.520 I'll never satisfy her.

02:34:30.980 That's the mentality.

02:34:32.500 It's insecurity as fuck.

02:34:33.760 What?

02:34:34.680 I don't know.

02:34:35.900 You know what?

02:34:37.020 Blew your arm.

02:34:37.420 Blew your arm.

02:34:37.600 I think it sounds like Andrew Liker not packing, buddy.

02:34:39.860 I think insecurity stops from a lot of places.

02:34:41.940 Like, yeah, I have a small dick, I'm sure, by comparison to most men.

02:34:45.260 I don't know.

02:34:46.000 It disappears when I jerk off.

02:34:47.020 I just want to let you know that one of the biggest feminist arguments that I've ever

02:34:49.960 heard is men who concern themselves at all with the sexual history of women have

02:34:54.700 small dicks.

02:34:55.720 Biggest feminist argument ever heard.

02:34:58.140 Ever.

02:34:58.720 I believe, I back it.

02:35:00.100 What's wrong with a small dick?

02:35:00.660 I fucking back it.

02:35:01.260 What's wrong with having a small dick?

02:35:02.640 Just saying.

02:35:03.200 Nothing.

02:35:03.560 What's wrong with having a small dick?

02:35:04.660 Are you dick shaming?

02:35:05.920 Are you dick shaming?

02:35:06.860 Are you fucking body shaming?

02:35:08.420 I don't want to move to this side.

02:35:09.480 You body shaming?

02:35:10.020 Look, I don't have, the realest coming over here.

02:35:12.120 I'm the first to admit online I don't have a big dick.

02:35:14.740 But I'm just, but I'm more open-minded.

02:35:16.560 So then, if the two people at the table who claim they have small dicks also want the

02:35:22.600 high body count, wouldn't the correlate be, wouldn't the correlate be that the men with

02:35:29.100 the small dicks want the women with the high body count?

02:35:31.660 No, they don't because they're, oh, I'll never satisfy her.

02:35:34.260 They're pussies.

02:35:34.620 They're embarrassed.

02:35:35.040 They're kind of little dicks.

02:35:36.000 They're embarrassed.

02:35:36.600 That's why they like them young.

02:35:37.780 That's why they like them with no bodies.

02:35:40.300 That's why you just have anal because it's always tight.

02:35:42.180 So guys that can fuck good with huge dicks, they could take a girl with 10,000 bodies

02:35:45.580 and not care and still feel confident in the bedroom.

02:35:47.900 That's why I stick to anal sex.

02:35:49.920 Agreed.

02:35:50.300 That was for you, Karim.

02:35:51.040 Thank you.

02:35:51.760 I didn't know you had a fucking button for that.

02:35:53.160 I got a little thing with the sounds and stuff.

02:35:55.760 I'm going to let some chats come through, guys.

02:35:57.460 I paused it temporarily.

02:35:58.520 This is bullying.

02:35:59.160 This is cyberbullying.

02:35:59.720 We're going to let some chats come through.

02:36:00.900 Ah, you're fine.

02:36:01.860 Are you picking and choosing which ones?

02:36:03.060 No, they all, I let them all.

02:36:04.320 I let them all.

02:36:05.320 So they're going to come in in just a sec, guys.

02:36:07.940 By the way, I lowered TTS just at the end here.

02:36:10.080 If you want to get your last minute messages in, the TTS is now $69, $69 plus TTS.

02:36:15.480 If you want to get a nice message in to Kirill or Ryan, if you want to roast us, you can

02:36:20.200 roast us, you can roast us.

02:36:20.980 Thank you, Tanner.

02:36:22.080 The attitude is a slippery slope.

02:36:24.180 Why do you think people of the past did horrible things?

02:36:27.860 Part of it was I can do whatever I want.

02:36:30.280 It affects no one else.

02:36:31.640 That was to the previous post.

02:36:33.960 That's true.

02:36:34.600 All right.

02:36:34.960 Thank you, Robert Tanner.

02:36:35.780 Appreciate it.

02:36:36.200 We have about, there's about seven more coming through.

02:36:38.620 Oh, I love it.

02:36:39.040 They're just going to come right after one after the other.

02:36:41.360 Thank you, Robert Tanner.

02:36:42.100 Appreciate it, man.

02:36:42.540 Get paid, bro.

02:36:43.160 Thank you.

02:36:43.620 Look at the fog rolling in.

02:36:44.940 That's fog.

02:36:45.400 You're making a little prostitute over here.

02:36:47.900 I want melons donated $69.

02:36:51.060 Brain and Andrew help me here.

02:36:52.740 You're dirty.

02:36:53.240 How these two guys are lower IQ than the girls you guys have on.

02:36:57.780 They need some help since they are hurting women more than they think.

02:37:01.280 I'm not getting insulted by anybody who uses the wrong then.

02:37:04.700 He also called me Brain.

02:37:06.180 Yeah, he's like, oh, low IQ.

02:37:07.500 My man's using T-H-E-N.

02:37:09.620 I mean, I actually wish some of the girls.

02:37:11.460 It's T-H-A-N.

02:37:12.240 He had good arguments.

02:37:13.360 I actually wish some of the girls we have argue arguments.

02:37:16.320 You had good arguments, too.

02:37:17.480 I had good arguments.

02:37:18.340 At the end of the day, I'm admitting that I'm an outlier.

02:37:21.760 Yeah.

02:37:21.960 My thoughts are not.

02:37:23.320 Yeah, that's fair.

02:37:23.660 Trust me.

02:37:24.240 I can't talk to my dad probably thinks like you.

02:37:28.220 My most guy friends probably think like you guys.

02:37:32.120 You know, you just ask the fucking tiger to act like a tiger.

02:37:34.340 No.

02:37:35.760 Thank you, man.

02:37:35.780 I'm so glad I'm not dating Red Flag.

02:37:36.500 Fucking gross, lol.

02:37:38.160 I bet neither of you have ever made a girl wet.

02:37:40.980 You think you have.

02:37:42.340 However, you're just slipping around in some other dude's bust thinking you're such a baddie.

02:37:48.180 Degenerate cuts.

02:37:50.360 Do you hate that these are your fans?

02:37:52.300 These guys fuck so much, right?

02:37:54.760 What is this?

02:37:55.680 Like, I don't want to be a member of any club that'll have me as a member?

02:37:58.240 I mean, I like this guy, though.

02:37:59.180 I'm so glad I'm not dating.

02:37:59.680 Definitely fucks a lot.

02:38:00.720 He's a fan of whatever, but I think he's great.

02:38:02.780 That guy.

02:38:03.200 Send me a DM on Instagram.

02:38:04.140 Oh, man.

02:38:04.380 I bet you he is swimming in pussy.

02:38:07.120 Send me a DM on Instagram.

02:38:08.540 I'm so glad I'm not dating.

02:38:09.400 Okay, let me let these through.

02:38:10.580 Oh, Robert Tanner.

02:38:12.320 Sorry we missed this.

02:38:12.920 Man, you need to get a sign that says, I'm a feminist, and just stamp it on your forehead.

02:38:17.180 Robert Tanner, I'm a feminist?

02:38:18.320 Totally a feminist.

02:38:19.560 You might be.

02:38:20.240 Total white writing.

02:38:21.880 We'll fix you.

02:38:22.300 All about him.

02:38:23.060 Jesus Horse donated $200.

02:38:25.600 Your arguments are baseless.

02:38:28.020 Bashing Andrew for women saying he helped them.

02:38:31.140 You brag about curing a man's cancer, which is back B-T-W.

02:38:34.960 It's back.

02:38:35.240 You only care about clout, which will leave you sad and alone in the end.

02:38:39.540 Yo, Jesus Horse.

02:38:40.320 Thank you for those two tears.

02:38:40.480 Wait, is his cancer back?

02:38:41.660 Thank you for the two tears.

02:38:42.360 One of them is only 70.

02:38:43.700 They had three cancers.

02:38:44.820 Two are gone, and then one is 70%.

02:38:46.580 I feel like you omitted a big part of that story to make it seem a different way.

02:38:51.320 You want to call him right now?

02:38:52.760 I think you need to just have another sex tape to finish off that cancer.

02:38:57.300 True.

02:38:58.220 Oh, also.

02:38:59.480 We might do a part two.

02:39:00.620 There's a few more coming in, guys.

02:39:01.080 We might do a part two.

02:39:01.780 We'll do a part two.

02:39:02.340 Maybe he needs to do a gay one.

02:39:03.260 Bring Adam 22.

02:39:05.420 We'll get him again.

02:39:07.280 There's a few more coming through.

02:39:08.600 Trunch, thank you, man.

02:39:09.560 Trunch donated $100.

02:39:10.780 Thank you.

02:39:10.980 Appreciate it.

02:39:11.500 Hello, sirs.

02:39:12.940 New year.

02:39:14.020 W. Andrew W. Bryan.

02:39:16.340 Thank you, Trunch.

02:39:17.080 Appreciate the Streamlabs TTS message.

02:39:20.240 Thank you so much, man.

02:39:20.880 Appreciate it.

02:39:21.300 Bro, that's a lot of money to just fucking give up.

02:39:23.220 You're loaded, bro.

02:39:23.880 Isn't that crazy?

02:39:24.760 This is a pretty normal dinner for us.

02:39:26.080 No, you make like 5K per episode.

02:39:29.380 It varies.

02:39:30.440 Let me ask you a question, just as guys here.

02:39:32.760 Would you ever tip?

02:39:33.920 I'll pause this.

02:39:34.740 What's that?

02:39:35.240 Would you ever?

02:39:36.420 I send in super chats to shows I like, yeah.

02:39:38.480 And then what, you send money in?

02:39:39.820 Yeah.

02:39:40.180 Oh, really?

02:39:40.680 Yeah.

02:39:41.020 I'm just not of the culture.

02:39:42.540 If I like the entertainment and I'm watching it a lot, I want to support the creators.

02:39:46.500 I think Brian does it with chatters and it's his own money.

02:39:50.360 These are all plans, is what you're saying?

02:39:53.600 Dad, send a text now.

02:39:54.780 Mike Davis, that's, I'm going to actually reveal it.

02:39:58.540 Yeah, I also like to make other people's channels up.

02:40:00.520 Crunch donated 100 callers.

02:40:03.120 Hello, sirs.

02:40:03.820 Thank you, Crunch.

02:40:04.500 Appreciate it.

02:40:04.760 New here.

02:40:05.640 W. Andrew.

02:40:06.480 W. Brian.

02:40:08.100 Rome is burning AMD.

02:40:09.560 Some men are busy trying to sleep with your daughters as it does.

02:40:13.320 Yeah.

02:40:13.780 Thank you, Crunch.

02:40:14.460 Appreciate it, man.

02:40:15.300 Thank you for the Streamlabs TTS.

02:40:17.380 Welcome.

02:40:18.760 New here.

02:40:19.280 He's new.

02:40:19.860 Welcome, man.

02:40:20.380 And then we have Giovanni C.

02:40:22.080 Guys, if you want, get your last call on the TTS.

02:40:26.200 I'm going to put in the chat, last call.

02:40:27.820 We're going to wrap the stream soon.

02:40:29.600 Do you have a question for Kirill?

02:40:31.000 Giovanni C.

02:40:31.560 Donated $69.

02:40:33.340 Thank you, Giovanni.

02:40:33.940 Andrew, you mentioned something along the lines of the writings on Super Rich Bohemian Grove type show.

02:40:39.800 They're just bored.

02:40:41.220 Could you elaborate?

02:40:42.320 Yeah.

02:40:42.720 I'm going to pee while you do that.

02:40:43.800 Go to Rachel Wilson's substack.

02:40:45.560 She has some articles on this, on some of the super elites.

02:40:48.160 I'm actually maybe going to start a substack so that I can write some of my thoughts on this from some of the writings that I've read.

02:40:54.120 What's the difference between a substack and Twitter?

02:40:57.040 Substack is like a place for articles.

02:40:58.820 So it's like where they're bringing back, like, blogs back, right?

02:41:01.140 It's just blogs are back.

02:41:02.360 Yeah.

02:41:03.480 Before we get into these last chats here, Nick, can you pull up Twitch really quick?

02:41:06.940 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

02:41:09.480 Drops a follow on the Prime sub.

02:41:10.720 Oops, my bad.

02:41:11.500 But, I mean, the logic behind it to the super...

02:41:13.940 Oh, sorry.

02:41:14.480 Let me just...

02:41:15.160 Yeah, yeah.

02:41:15.420 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

02:41:17.320 Drops a follow and a Prime sub if you have one.

02:41:19.300 Guys, it's been 11 minutes since we've had a Prime.

02:41:21.700 If you're watching on YouTube...

02:41:22.600 Oh, just open up another tab really quick.

02:41:24.320 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

02:41:25.240 Just drop us a follow.

02:41:26.460 If you have a Prime sub available, just drop us a little Prime sub.

02:41:29.180 Guys, it's been one minute since a fat patriarchist.

02:41:33.380 Okay, thank you, man.

02:41:34.180 Yeah.

02:41:35.120 Cagraxis.

02:41:35.940 Sounds like a dragon from...

02:41:37.140 The Primes are rolling.

02:41:38.340 Thank you for the Primes, guys.

02:41:39.500 Thank you for the Primes.

02:41:40.680 They unbugged it.

02:41:42.400 Appreciate it, guys.

02:41:43.000 Thank you for the Follows and the Primes over there on Twitch.

02:41:44.860 Thank you, guys.

02:41:45.940 And then we have...

02:41:47.820 I'll let the rest of these chats come through.

02:41:49.720 One sec, guys.

02:41:52.600 Sons of Liberty donated $69.

02:41:55.760 You don't have unique views.

02:41:58.200 You have typical degenerate views.

02:42:00.780 45-year-old man here with standards.

02:42:04.360 Name two relationship standards you have.

02:42:07.500 Projection, insecurity, strong with these two sins.

02:42:10.920 I don't like talking to faceless people who could potentially be pieces of shit themselves.

02:42:16.500 It's very easy to sit there.

02:42:17.700 I went camping with that guy.

02:42:18.640 He's chill.

02:42:19.500 He's good.

02:42:20.400 Sounds like a guy did.

02:42:21.760 Like the camping thing is gay?

02:42:23.660 With your fans?

02:42:24.400 No, it was like a chill camp sesh.

02:42:26.640 Okay.

02:42:27.100 I'm kidding.

02:42:27.620 Big there?

02:42:29.420 I would never want to hang out with my family.

02:42:31.720 Backstage pass is gay.

02:42:32.780 Dane underscore...

02:42:33.660 Backstage pass is mad gay.

02:42:36.380 First sign of worthlessness was the gray beard and backwards hat.

02:42:40.940 These fools are too old for minds this childish.

02:42:44.540 If women disappeared, they'd lose all self-value.

02:42:48.200 Dependent feminized makes.

02:42:51.000 In defense of Kirill, I requested he turn his hat backwards.

02:42:54.640 You can blame me for the backwards.

02:42:56.500 He did because of the lighting.

02:42:58.060 Yeah.

02:42:58.200 We typically don't like people wearing hats because it casts shadow on the eyes.

02:43:03.600 Any girls on this thing?

02:43:04.860 We got a lot.

02:43:05.480 We got some...

02:43:05.920 Any ladies?

02:43:06.900 Just a bunch of dudes.

02:43:07.760 There's actually quite a few women.

02:43:08.920 There's actually quite a few women.

02:43:09.120 There's actually quite a few women.

02:43:10.000 I'm just saying...

02:43:11.440 But women just don't want to spend money, huh?

02:43:13.000 Paul A donated $69.

02:43:15.460 It's kind of like...

02:43:15.840 Low life Kirill literally faked going to jail, closing ALF multiple times, and even his own

02:43:21.620 death just to sell more of his trash as Chinese products.

02:43:25.800 Anything he says is irrelevant.

02:43:27.360 Yeah, I faked my own death.

02:43:28.420 You faked your own death?

02:43:29.040 Yeah.

02:43:29.320 I faked my own death three years ago.

02:43:30.240 How did you die?

02:43:33.140 Getting a colonoscopy.

02:43:34.600 A colonoscopy?

02:43:35.680 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:36.140 That's a bad way to die.

02:43:36.760 And then donated a hundred grand to colon cancer.

02:43:38.900 You went septic?

02:43:39.860 That's a bad way to go.

02:43:41.160 Yeah.

02:43:41.640 Faked my death for a week and...

02:43:43.160 That one fooled the world.

02:43:44.360 Like, we actually all thought he was dead.

02:43:45.180 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:46.180 He didn't even tell us why.

02:43:46.980 Black Friday's dead, guys.

02:43:48.220 April Fool's is the new moneymaker.

02:43:50.340 There you go.

02:43:52.340 Thank you, Billy.

02:43:52.940 Billy Amtham has donated $69.

02:43:55.340 Oh, my God.

02:43:55.860 I was questioning if you two twinks were gay from all the rooster talk.

02:44:01.000 Now, I'm certain you two will be tossing each other's salad after this.

02:44:05.960 Ironically donated $69 and using gay as an insult.

02:44:09.140 Love it.

02:44:10.160 Yeah, so...

02:44:11.420 Wait.

02:44:11.720 I don't think that that's associated with homosexuality.

02:44:14.040 No, I just mean using gay as an insult.

02:44:15.540 Oh.

02:44:16.140 And they have two penises.

02:44:16.980 Wait, Ryan.

02:44:17.320 $69 has two dicks.

02:44:18.880 Yeah.

02:44:19.460 Wait, Ryan.

02:44:20.560 No problem if you are.

02:44:22.480 I saw a video of you kissing a dude on the lips.

02:44:26.180 Yeah.

02:44:26.780 Was it just...

02:44:27.560 No, I'm not...

02:44:28.560 Are you bi?

02:44:29.240 Are you bi?

02:44:30.320 I just do gay shit for reactions.

02:44:32.860 For fun.

02:44:33.180 These guys are the normal ones.

02:44:34.500 I just don't care at all.

02:44:35.200 They weren't homeschooled or Bible brainwashed.

02:44:37.660 I do gay shit for...

02:44:38.240 Every other citizen had to navigate the art of getting digits.

02:44:41.600 Never asked BC because that's immature.

02:44:44.060 My BC 35 plus dot married 20 years.

02:44:47.840 Word.

02:44:48.580 Word.

02:44:49.780 Mature versus...

02:44:50.560 That's the guy on our side.

02:44:51.220 Thank you, man.

02:44:51.560 Oh, there's our boy.

02:44:52.400 Mature.

02:44:53.320 Yeah, see, they agree.

02:44:54.120 He's your homie.

02:44:55.020 Fucking right.

02:44:55.540 Will you know that guy?

02:44:56.760 Nah.

02:44:57.400 I'm going to...

02:44:57.780 I'm surprised Ryan didn't do that in the...

02:44:59.460 Ryan sent that in the bathroom.

02:45:00.440 He says the pagan donated $69.

02:45:02.940 You guys made the comment about alcoholism and the bartender being culpable serving a drunk.

02:45:08.860 Couldn't we say the same about a sex worker being an enabler to someone with an addiction?

02:45:12.640 I think he just copy-pasted what Andrew said, but good point.

02:45:15.620 Thank you, pagan.

02:45:16.300 You can make that point.

02:45:17.520 Yeah, no, but that's what he said.

02:45:18.880 Yeah.

02:45:19.620 Could we say the same about sex worker being an enabler?

02:45:22.660 Sure.

02:45:23.140 Probably could.

02:45:23.720 We could say that.

02:45:24.340 I already went over that.

02:45:24.760 Thank you, JJ.

02:45:25.540 I donated $69.

02:45:27.560 I used to be a degen, but have been single and celibate for several years.

02:45:32.680 My self-worth has increased exponentially since then.

02:45:36.000 And it always will.

02:45:36.840 I just don't understand why self-worth is tied to sex.

02:45:39.760 It's not.

02:45:40.320 Not just sex.

02:45:41.360 But sexual degeneracy seems to have a huge impact on people.

02:45:44.640 But, okay, I agree with you on that.

02:45:47.380 But can I just have sex and not be a degenerate?

02:45:51.340 Oh.

02:45:51.600 You should, well...

02:45:52.540 I'll have to re-trigger this one.

02:45:53.720 Are we on the right or left?

02:45:54.620 Right, like...

02:45:55.320 I would say if you were in a long-term committed relationship or a marriage, that would be way

02:46:00.280 less degenerate than the opposition.

02:46:02.080 No, just being single?

02:46:03.180 But it's not just a matter of what your personal actions are, but what you advocate for.

02:46:07.680 Oh, okay.

02:46:11.960 I thought you guys were...

02:46:12.740 Oh, hat indoors is for boys anyway.

02:46:14.380 I like that one.

02:46:14.720 I'm going to pull it back up.

02:46:15.400 One sec, guys.

02:46:16.060 I like being insulted.

02:46:16.940 Thank you, Bowie girl.

02:46:17.980 I appreciate it.

02:46:18.860 Dane.

02:46:19.260 I like a good insult.

02:46:20.140 The gay one.

02:46:20.680 Oh, this guy spent a game.

02:46:21.500 If you boiled these two piles of blank on the right down to what they were really worth,

02:46:26.620 they couldn't make up a pimple on Brian or Andrew's ass or fill a thimble?

02:46:31.600 A hat indoors is for boys anyway?

02:46:33.860 What's a thimble?

02:46:34.720 I mean, I wear hats indoors.

02:46:35.980 I don't know.

02:46:36.220 I'm literally sitting next to a sex doll, but chill out.

02:46:38.980 But Dane, I appreciate...

02:46:40.360 When my grandma can wear a hat inside?

02:46:41.960 You can pull that super up, Nick.

02:46:44.240 Ryan, I asked this question to Curl.

02:46:47.120 I wanted to ask it to you, too.

02:46:49.460 So...

02:46:49.620 I'm going to smoke if you're talking to him.

02:46:53.520 Well, hang on.

02:46:54.020 We're almost done.

02:46:54.540 We're almost done?

02:46:55.140 Yeah, we're going to wrap.

02:46:55.760 Oh, okay.

02:46:55.940 I didn't know if this was going to be a long-winded...

02:46:57.640 No, five minutes.

02:46:58.500 We're going to wrap.

02:46:59.420 Wait.

02:46:59.860 So, Ryan.

02:47:03.100 Long-term relationship, future wife, marriage.

02:47:05.740 I don't know if you want that, but just long-term relationship.

02:47:07.980 Would you prefer to date a girl with a body count of zero, a virgin, or a woman with a

02:47:14.460 body count of 100?

02:47:16.400 Between 50 and 250.

02:47:21.520 So, you'd prefer the...

02:47:22.880 So, you'd prefer a girl between a body count of 250 and...

02:47:26.820 No, no.

02:47:27.300 If she's 49, are you, like, gross?

02:47:28.920 Between 50 and 250.

02:47:30.340 So, you'd prefer a body count between 50 and 250 versus a virgin?

02:47:34.180 Versus you.

02:47:35.320 Yes.

02:47:36.000 But why not 20?

02:47:37.680 20's cool.

02:47:38.680 20's okay.

02:47:39.300 20's cool.

02:47:40.000 10?

02:47:40.320 Well, wait.

02:47:41.340 Yeah, that's fine.

02:47:42.500 Five?

02:47:44.080 Five?

02:47:44.560 It's like, y'all good, baby.

02:47:46.760 I want to know your age.

02:47:47.640 I need to know the age.

02:47:48.520 I've lived your life.

02:47:49.040 And what if they just, you know, hit their, what the girls call, hoe phase while we're

02:47:53.540 together.

02:47:54.120 She goes on a trip.

02:47:55.340 Diplo invites her backstage.

02:47:56.920 Now she's, well, I never really did this.

02:47:58.440 And she starts fucking Diplo.

02:47:59.380 That's scary.

02:48:00.220 I saw a tweet.

02:48:01.340 I think you tweeted about this, too.

02:48:02.760 Has Diplo...

02:48:04.040 He's fucked all girls.

02:48:05.860 Yeah.

02:48:06.340 Diplo, Tyga, Chris Brown have had sex with every single girl on earth.

02:48:10.740 Yeah.

02:48:10.980 As you would expect them to.

02:48:12.540 Yeah.

02:48:13.660 Yeah.

02:48:13.860 Rich guys having sex with lots of women.

02:48:15.460 It's not new.

02:48:16.060 Yeah.

02:48:16.260 That's not new.

02:48:17.080 Yeah.

02:48:17.200 My girl actually cheated on me with Nick Cannon.

02:48:20.300 Really?

02:48:20.760 And then you interviewed him?

02:48:21.500 I think.

02:48:22.260 And then you just interviewed him?

02:48:23.460 And I didn't bring it up to him.

02:48:24.420 What are you, crazy?

02:48:24.600 Happy to accept what is.

02:48:26.300 It just doesn't mean I think that's the way it should be.

02:48:29.200 True that.

02:48:30.800 But yes.

02:48:31.420 Rich, powerful guy's been fucking chipped for a long time.

02:48:33.040 But Ryan, you've got a good personality.

02:48:36.300 You've got your own show, right?

02:48:37.860 Thank you.

02:48:38.760 You've got a lot of energy.

02:48:40.040 You've got some charisma.

02:48:40.960 I mean, and this is actually something that we do at the end of the shows with some of the

02:48:45.780 girls who do sex work, you could just transition into doing like normal kind of content without

02:48:52.860 the involvement.

02:48:54.020 Yeah.

02:48:54.260 Sex work, you're an entertaining guy.

02:48:56.000 You've got the, you know, the passion for content creation, I think, right?

02:49:00.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:49:01.640 Why don't I put the challenge right here?

02:49:04.200 Stop right now.

02:49:05.600 Oh, oh, I love these girls.

02:49:07.740 And I love my show.

02:49:08.760 I love, I love it.

02:49:10.980 And you know what?

02:49:11.720 A lot of them tell me, man, I go on podcasts and they all say, what does your dad think?

02:49:17.680 Thank you, Robert.

02:49:18.280 How did you end up here?

02:49:20.160 You know, are you ever going to find a boy?

02:49:22.860 They ask the same five fucking degrading questions to them and I don't.

02:49:26.700 So they come on, they have so much fun and they all tell me like, that was my favorite

02:49:29.740 show I've ever done.

02:49:30.620 And I stay friends with them.

02:49:31.760 And I'll tell you, 90% of them are really cool ass chicks.

02:49:35.180 They're so down to earth because they're not fakers.

02:49:37.760 They put it all on the screen.

02:49:39.240 They have cum on their face on, they have nothing to hide.

02:49:42.200 So they really are themselves.

02:49:44.260 And I fucking love them.

02:49:46.480 They're my best friends now.

02:49:47.600 And the dudes also are the coolest guys ever.

02:49:50.660 Like male porn stars are just not fucking clout, chasey, loser, fake, yappy, asshole, LA fucks

02:49:57.840 like everyone else.

02:49:58.540 They're just laid back.

02:49:59.560 Can I give you 60 bucks when you buy him a shirt in his size that says white night?

02:50:03.860 I'll go with white night.

02:50:05.640 No, these girls are cool as fuck though, aren't they?

02:50:07.180 Like to hang out with.

02:50:08.200 Yeah, they're like, dude, they're so fun, man.

02:50:09.760 It's just any industry you go in, right?

02:50:12.020 If you like it, you're going to meet friends.

02:50:14.600 And you're like, dude, there's tons of porn stars I refuse to talk to, right?

02:50:17.940 There's people in that industry that I don't want to associate with.

02:50:20.880 I happen to hang out with, it's like you, right?

02:50:23.200 You're like, I'm religious.

02:50:24.740 I go believe in God.

02:50:25.860 You attend a church.

02:50:26.700 And you're like, I don't want to support churches that enable child blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

02:50:31.820 Same thing.

02:50:32.500 Like I hang out in my pocket of the sex world where it's positive.

02:50:36.320 I'm having fun with these girls.

02:50:38.080 No one's being abused.

02:50:39.740 Yeah, they have mental illnesses, but so do I, bro.

02:50:41.860 Probably the party of the year, and it was all girls were sex workers, and it was just fucking fun.

02:50:47.920 There was no fights.

02:50:48.640 There was no drama.

02:50:49.180 There was no bullshit.

02:50:49.960 It was just happiness, and that's the vibes with these girls.

02:50:53.260 Right, right, right.

02:50:54.240 The argument is, you broke it down in the beginning, is you're comparing lot lizards, and you're comparing the 1% of OnlyFans girls, right?

02:51:03.280 It's like at the end of the day, you're hanging out with the diplo of porn.

02:51:07.960 So am I, right?

02:51:09.140 So do we get to see the underbelly?

02:51:11.540 Not as much, but that's just what we see, right?

02:51:15.340 I see what I see.

02:51:16.460 Do you want to do a closing statement?

02:51:18.960 Yeah, well, just before you do, before you make the closing statement, before we wrap up really quick.

02:51:26.100 You guys, one sec.

02:51:28.820 GMD Jim donated $69.

02:51:31.320 You two just need to forgive your parents so you can stop acting like edgy teenagers.

02:51:36.820 Acting edgy after 18 is just sad.

02:51:40.420 Brixen, go to an orthodox service with Andrew.

02:51:44.140 Yeah, I'm going to go eventually, but this past week we've had Andrew here a week and a half.

02:51:49.140 It's been super packed with stuff.

02:51:50.720 So guys, if you want to learn how to become a master debater, you got it ready, Nick?

02:52:02.080 Oh, okay.

02:52:03.080 Oh, I thought you were saying it.

02:52:04.320 Oh, okay.

02:52:05.500 Guys, you got to go to debateuniversity.com.

02:52:08.420 Jokes aside, if you want to learn how to think, debate, and craft arguments like Andrew Wilson, if you want to debate like Andrew Wilson, you need to get his course of verbal combat.

02:52:17.660 There's about six hours of instruction, 80-plus different educational videos.

02:52:21.420 You can find it all, debateuniversity.com.

02:52:24.700 Question, if I pay you for this university, will you teach me how to debate for sex workers?

02:52:30.040 Or will you not bend your moral?

02:52:31.740 Actually, that's...

02:52:33.500 Teach me how to argue you.

02:52:34.340 I always think that the best idea for people who disagree is to teach them the best ways to debate because I feel like if they learn logic, they'll come to similar conclusions as me.

02:52:44.980 It's just hard because this is less logic and it's like, you know...

02:52:48.400 There is logic to it.

02:52:49.500 There's a lot...

02:52:49.960 No, to what?

02:52:51.140 To like the arguments we're having today.

02:52:53.300 Oh, no.

02:52:53.820 I understand that.

02:52:55.100 But there's also a lot of emotional...

02:52:56.720 Sure.

02:52:57.040 I can't change how I feel.

02:53:00.560 Right?

02:53:01.140 You can change how you feel.

02:53:02.400 You can?

02:53:02.980 Yeah.

02:53:03.160 Yeah, I don't think I can.

02:53:04.260 People change how they feel all the time.

02:53:05.720 Eh.

02:53:06.880 I don't think I can change how I feel about sex workers.

02:53:08.980 I just don't.

02:53:10.140 Never?

02:53:11.180 It's kind of like I can't change...

02:53:13.000 Is that rational, though?

02:53:13.420 I can't change how I feel about this iPhone even though I know it's made by Chinese slaves, children, right?

02:53:17.700 Like, it's just...

02:53:19.000 It is what it is.

02:53:19.500 If it's an arbitrary feeling, then it's hard for me to believe that you can't change it if it's arbitrary.

02:53:23.780 What do you mean?

02:53:24.700 Well, like, for instance, the first time I smoked a cigarette, I didn't like it.

02:53:28.920 But the second time I smoked one, I liked it fine.

02:53:31.200 Right.

02:53:31.400 My feelings on it changed.

02:53:33.160 You can definitely, through the course of doing something, right, change your feelings on it, or you can run into arguments or rationalities that make you change your viewpoints on things.

02:53:42.740 Cool.

02:53:43.020 If four porn stars I found out robbed my house, guess who hates porn stars?

02:53:48.520 You?

02:53:48.980 Yeah.

02:53:49.180 But I have a great relationship with them, so I have no reason to hate them.

02:53:53.700 Oh, it's not a matter of hate.

02:53:54.260 And so my emotional attachment to them...

02:53:55.760 It's not a matter of hate.

02:53:56.040 Well, Paladins donated $69.

02:53:57.900 I agree with the feminists.

02:54:00.900 I only shoot POV amateur-style porn.

02:54:03.680 As Brian can attest, you have to keep your labor costs minimal.

02:54:07.900 Just me and the girl.

02:54:09.940 No crew required.

02:54:11.560 Just like a prostitute.

02:54:14.660 That's pretty funny.

02:54:15.540 I need to set Paladins up with a custom TTS thing.

02:54:18.080 That's my favorite, by the way.

02:54:19.340 POV amateur.

02:54:20.140 Sure.

02:54:20.580 Boom.

02:54:21.020 Huge.

02:54:21.500 Okay.

02:54:22.280 Andrew, you want to give your closing statement, and then we'll wrap the show?

02:54:25.540 Yeah.

02:54:25.820 So first and foremost, thank you guys for coming out.

02:54:28.280 Thank you guys.

02:54:28.960 How'd we do?

02:54:30.020 Doing this debate.

02:54:30.660 It's good.

02:54:30.920 I thought it was fun.

02:54:31.660 Yeah, it was good, right?

02:54:32.480 It was good.

02:54:33.780 None of us are leaving any different.

02:54:37.080 Yeah.

02:54:38.540 Maybe.

02:54:39.080 We'll see.

02:54:39.440 But anyway, so the point is, I do appreciate it.

02:54:44.280 I do think you guys need to think about your positions on this, because they're not great,

02:54:48.580 right?

02:54:48.840 What I don't get is, especially for you, you deal with these sex workers all the time.

02:54:54.420 You know none of the stats on this.

02:54:56.220 You just don't really know any of this.

02:54:58.560 I'm a golden retriever.

02:54:59.480 I live in a happy little bubble.

02:55:00.680 I don't watch the news.

02:55:01.480 You don't want to do any of that?

02:55:02.320 I wake up, I smile, and I have a great day.

02:55:04.220 But also, who wants to sit there and be like, this is what I do for a living.

02:55:07.720 Let me break it apart about how bad it might be.

02:55:10.160 Versus like, guess what?

02:55:11.460 I'm doing things that I think are good and fun, and I'm using people and hanging out with people

02:55:17.360 that might be influencers, porn stars, musicians, whoever crosses my path, that I kind of fuck

02:55:21.980 with.

02:55:22.300 That's it.

02:55:22.820 They just happen to be porn stars.

02:55:23.640 My life is this happy little Truman Show.

02:55:25.580 Dude, I hung out with you.

02:55:26.860 But is that a good way to never question your own worldview?

02:55:28.720 No, because look, I hung out with you.

02:55:30.440 I'm not walking out of here being like, that was a waste of my time.

02:55:32.680 Cool.

02:55:32.940 Had a great time.

02:55:33.760 Moving on.

02:55:34.160 You're just another person I ran across just like a porn star might be.

02:55:38.080 I don't care that she took a hundred dicks.

02:55:39.900 If in the moment she's nice and fun and kind and we can do something fun together, I don't

02:55:44.560 give a fuck what you do for a living.

02:55:46.060 And I know that there's issues in the industry, and I'm happy I get to bring a light to it.

02:55:49.780 That's what they all say.

02:55:50.560 Ryan, you bring such joy to our industry.

02:55:52.240 We needed you.

02:55:52.800 And that makes me happy.

02:55:53.920 Okay.

02:55:54.320 Well, I was able to demonstrate pretty easily the great harms of this industry.

02:55:58.240 I don't think my opponents were able to demonstrate anything to the contrary of that.

02:56:02.320 And their arguments essentially just came from emotion, which is fine.

02:56:07.700 I understand why, right?

02:56:09.160 You're not debaters.

02:56:09.820 I get that.

02:56:10.760 And I was not, I didn't go hardball on you, right?

02:56:13.040 You were hardball.

02:56:13.400 I did want to get the viewpoints out.

02:56:15.280 So I appreciate you guys coming out.

02:56:17.440 It was nice of you to do.

02:56:19.060 And we made some good content today.

02:56:21.620 You're definitely both fucking degenerates.

02:56:23.620 There's no doubt about that.

02:56:24.840 Not insulting.

02:56:25.340 But hopefully we can do something again.

02:56:27.980 Great.

02:56:28.640 All right.

02:56:29.000 Cool.

02:56:29.540 Let me just make sure.

02:56:30.880 You don't mean that.

02:56:31.700 I do mean that.

02:56:32.520 You really want to hang out with us.

02:56:33.880 We could do it again.

02:56:34.760 You know, it seems like over time.

02:56:36.660 I'm going to take his debate school and come back.

02:56:38.700 I might just be able to change yours.

02:56:40.340 But do you want to hang out with me to change my mind?

02:56:42.240 Or do you want to hang out with me because you want to hang out with me?

02:56:44.200 Because I don't want to hang out with someone.

02:56:45.320 No, he says make content together again.

02:56:46.420 Right.

02:56:46.780 Like at the end of the day, like I don't want to hang out with people that just want to change.

02:56:50.140 We don't get closing statements.

02:56:51.440 Why not?

02:56:52.400 What?

02:56:52.740 Those are the best kind of people.

02:56:53.700 Yeah, we would like closing statements.

02:56:54.760 Yeah, but what if you change me for the worst, dude?

02:56:57.020 What if I change you for the better?

02:56:58.460 I'm not willing to take that risk.

02:57:00.760 I don't want any change, dude.

02:57:02.840 I eat the same shit every day.

02:57:05.260 Okay.

02:57:05.780 What's your closing statement?

02:57:06.800 My closing statements are, Brian, wish you spoke more.

02:57:11.200 Nice guy.

02:57:12.300 Like your vibe.

02:57:13.540 Chill.

02:57:14.060 What about the yelling at the chick for the cell phone thing, though?

02:57:16.200 Yeah, where was that?

02:57:17.160 I feel like that was fake now.

02:57:18.480 Thanks for having us.

02:57:20.800 Good time.

02:57:21.280 Thank you for coming.

02:57:21.860 Appreciate it.

02:57:22.340 Andrew, good debater.

02:57:23.520 You're good at getting points across.

02:57:24.600 I feel like if we switch sides, yeah, it's your job.

02:57:27.460 Bro, you left the robotics for West.

02:57:29.500 When I look and I say, you know, I see your perspective on some perspectives, but don't

02:57:36.260 make your kids virgins, bro.

02:57:38.180 That's like, let them fuck a little bit, man.

02:57:40.980 You know, let people have fun and let people live and do what they want.

02:57:43.900 And focus more on creating safe and healthier environments than hating on what people do.

02:57:51.300 And when you do hate on the girls, go easy on them because their mental health, it's

02:57:54.900 people like you, if you say the wrong thing and it goes viral, that's what fucks their

02:57:59.480 fucking things up.

02:58:00.320 And that's what's causing a lot of depression, maybe even suicide.

02:58:03.320 So go easy on the girls.

02:58:04.720 They're just trying to live.

02:58:05.560 They don't worry about you.

02:58:06.380 You don't worry about them.

02:58:07.420 Live and let live.

02:58:08.240 Happy world.

02:58:08.720 Peace and love.

02:58:10.320 Anything from you, Carl?

02:58:11.200 Guys, you can buy my merch at assholesliveforever.com.

02:58:13.360 No, hey, you plugged him.

02:58:15.980 I'm plugging me.

02:58:16.700 I came here for free.

02:58:18.660 I'm kidding.

02:58:19.920 Dude, I don't have a closing argument.

02:58:23.620 Everyone online is literally going to think what they think.

02:58:26.680 You think what you think.

02:58:27.540 We'll all change eventually.

02:58:28.620 Maybe, maybe not.

02:58:29.820 I see myself getting older and changing all the time.

02:58:32.100 But honestly, I don't think I'll ever change my stance on people having sex.

02:58:35.920 It just doesn't concern me.

02:58:37.760 It like doesn't.

02:58:38.360 I don't care what you do with your dick.

02:58:39.780 You do, you do, or whoever in this room fucks this thing.

02:58:42.540 Sure.

02:58:43.280 I guess I'll take this then.

02:58:44.400 You probably don't want to.

02:58:45.880 What is that?

02:58:46.240 You can't take the blue pill, bro.

02:58:47.020 Is that Advil?

02:58:47.340 You can't take the blue pill.

02:58:48.360 You got to take the red pill, Ryan.

02:58:49.480 We'll fix you.

02:58:50.560 We'll have you back on the show.

02:58:52.600 Anyways, I think we're all caught up on the chats.

02:58:55.600 Keep the like thing up.

02:58:57.360 All right, GG.

02:58:58.080 Well played, guys.

02:58:58.620 Keep sending Brian money.

02:58:59.640 He lives in a mansion because of your comments.

02:59:02.340 Bro, you know how expensive it is to buy whatever.com?

02:59:04.440 Men are living a rich life.

02:59:05.820 Do you know how expensive whatever.com is?

02:59:07.860 You can't get a single bedroom apartment in Santa Barbara for less than $500,000 a year.

02:59:12.920 Yeah, can we talk about that shit?

02:59:15.000 I would like you guys to pay my time.

02:59:15.840 That's why people are selling their buttholes, so they can afford rent.

02:59:20.060 All right, so GG, well played, guys.

02:59:22.580 Last call.

02:59:23.180 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

02:59:24.920 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

02:59:26.120 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

02:59:28.180 I appreciate that.

02:59:29.280 Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.

02:59:32.580 You don't know H to the Izzo?

02:59:34.660 Oh, that's where it comes from.

02:59:36.300 You could be anywhere in the world right now, but you're here with me.

02:59:38.660 I appreciate that.

02:59:39.180 Seinfeld said that, too.

02:59:40.620 Jerry?

02:59:41.040 Yeah.

02:59:41.560 There you go.

02:59:42.720 We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.

02:59:45.400 Thank you again, everybody, who sent in a message.

02:59:48.180 Big thank you to you guys for coming on the show.

02:59:50.440 I thought it was a good stream.

02:59:52.200 Appreciate you guys.

02:59:53.300 Especially the drive.

02:59:55.520 It's going to be great.

02:59:56.920 I'm going to feel like a total prostitute.

02:59:58.600 The two-hour drive home.

02:59:59.680 Terrible.

03:00:00.380 Well, that's what's crazy is I could have moved this to L.A., but I'm like, I'm from Santa Barbara.

03:00:05.460 No, it's a power move.

03:00:06.600 You come to me.

03:00:07.440 Yeah, it's a power thing.

03:00:08.680 Well, it's actually having been doing content creation for over 10 years, over a decade.

03:00:13.020 I think me not having moved to L.A. kept my head on straight because if I was living – like, once you get to L.A., a lot of people –

03:00:20.420 You would have been fucking porn stars right next to you, Brian.

03:00:22.100 Probably, probably, probably.

03:00:23.740 So I kept my head on straight staying in small town Santa Barbara.

03:00:27.860 Okay, 07s in the chat, guys.

03:00:29.400 Like the video on your way out.

03:00:30.520 I hope you guys have a good night, and we'll see you on Sunday.

03:00:32.680 Good night, guys.

03:00:33.160 Good night, guys.

Whatever Podcast - August 08, 2024

2 Male Feminists vs. Andrew Wilson & Brian Atlas ｜ OF⧸S Worker DEBATE ｜ Whatever Debates #9

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