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00:02:04.080 subscribe without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your

00:02:08.380 name age and occupation go ahead i'm bunny my age is 22 and i'm a content creator

00:02:19.260 i don't know i do a lot of different platforms what kind of content creation do you do um i do normal

00:02:25.640 modeling i do lingerie modeling i do only fans i do camming um i do other sites like that okay how long

00:02:35.040 have you been doing that for since i was 18 got it what about you i'm caitlin i'm 19 i'm a dancer and

00:02:41.760 i do a little bit of only fans and then that's pretty much it i'm working on going back to school

00:02:47.000 and i'm from going back to school yeah okay what do you plan on studying or what were you studying

00:02:53.600 philosophy and poli sci so i just got my associates in may okay um so i'm taking like a little bit of

00:03:00.700 a gap year and then i plan on going back next fall got it okay what about you i'm azure aka

00:03:07.440 brad gorian um i'm a content creator on tiktok only fans and um twitch as well age and i'm 23

00:03:17.640 all right welcome hi i'm sava i'm 21 i'm a social media content creator um i mainly do instagram

00:03:25.900 tiktok and i also do i also do only fans all right welcome i'm selena i'm 25 i'm an exotic

00:03:33.220 dancer and i make tiktoks only fans or no only fans all right okay but you're a you're a scripper

00:03:40.680 yes okay got it what about you i'm savannah i'm 26 and i am a barista barista no no only fans correct

00:03:49.180 no no only fans okay barista what kind of barista though specifically a bikini barista oh what what

00:03:56.800 so you serve coffee and a bikini yeah like think of hooters but like coffee is it a chain

00:04:03.600 yeah it is yeah okay what's the can we what what's the name of the chain uh the one that i work for

00:04:10.600 i'd rather not say totally fine totally fine what about you hi i'm stephanie i'm a stay-at-home

00:04:16.460 full-time working mom i'm a licensed real estate agent certified personal trainer i'm also studying to

00:04:23.460 be a uh nutrition coach and in real estate in the state of tennessee okay uh age i'm 30 years old

00:04:31.420 30 got it how many uh kids do you have i right now i have four kids four kids i have three and one

00:04:37.940 foster oh one foster okay are you planning on having more kids or if god blesses me with more i'll take

00:04:44.080 them gotcha and you said you're a your stay-at-home mom yes yes i am uh i am blessed to be able to work

00:04:49.880 from home so that god i can be with my kids got it yeah many sorry my name is andrew wilson host of

00:04:57.040 the one and only crucible i'm a right-wing political pundit and a blood sports debaters i appreciate you

00:05:03.600 guys having me on this evening my age is 39 i have five kids wife at home um stupid dog named shep

00:05:10.280 right the whole nine yards shrek shrek oh i thought you said shrek okay got it uh yeah my name is chase

00:05:18.000 28 years old i work as a professional photographer and a branding and marketing consultant all right

00:05:23.420 cool so we're gonna go around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so

00:05:28.200 are you single talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult

00:05:33.800 harem and there's a lot of options nowadays uh if you're single how long have you been single and

00:05:39.100 what's the longest relationship that you've ever been in go ahead um i'm single longest relationship

00:05:46.080 was a year and a half gotcha how long have you been single for

00:05:50.340 maybe like a month or two depending on what you count that as i don't know

00:05:59.820 okay a month a month or two depending on what we counted as got it what about you

00:06:07.200 um i'm pretty single i'm i think you know pretty single what does that mean so there's single and

00:06:15.080 then there's pretty single so what is pretty single i checked i was kind of in a friends with benefits

00:06:20.760 type of situation but when was the last time i had a conversation about it it's probably been like

00:06:25.880 a week or two um since we talked about it but then we'll like go on and off talking for a couple

00:06:33.400 days but i'm like as of right now as of today i'm very single um from pretty single to very single

00:06:39.720 yeah yeah okay very single is it like the more you think about it the more single you feel

00:06:44.440 very much so um but my longest relationship was almost three years almost three years okay and i

00:06:50.520 detect a bit of an accent uh where are you from north carolina got it okay a little southern or

00:06:55.580 whatever okay and so you said the last time you talked to this guy who you're kind of sort of not

00:07:00.400 really seeing was a week or two ago oh no like talk to him about the situation that we're in

00:07:05.600 um it's probably been like a day since we had a small conversation like you texted you you talked

00:07:11.840 to him or you talked to him about the situation to him yesterday okay something like yesterday i'm

00:07:18.000 pretty sure did you guys break up we were never like dating like he's my boyfriend it's been like

00:07:23.560 a month and a half since we started like since we went on our first date and then like we talked

00:07:27.720 and then we're kind of like well he's like i don't know if i want you in my life forever i'm like

00:07:35.580 okay so i'm just gonna go with the flow i like spending time with you he likes spending time with

00:07:39.500 me we're gonna go wait what did he what did he say to you he said um something along the lines of like

00:07:47.740 i don't know if i want to spend the rest of my life with you oh how did that feel to hear it hurt it

00:07:53.140 hurt a lot i can't even lie um but then again at that point it had been like four weeks of us

00:07:58.400 talking so it's like one how's he supposed to know but two it's not going to hurt me that bad we did

00:08:03.420 like we got close really fast because like whenever i'm in any sort of situationship i'm like moving

00:08:09.280 really fast so i think that put a lot of pressure on it and then he like we would have conversations

00:08:14.440 about it and like we were traveling together and then eventually what is trifling together

00:08:19.140 traveling traveling oh sorry yeah it's the north carolina accent um and then he kind of went ghost

00:08:28.500 for a little bit after i like i sent him this very long message about like me being confused

00:08:32.640 and can you pull up the you you have your phone there why don't you just pull up

00:08:37.280 and read the long message i hope he doesn't watch this something something tells me he probably won't

00:08:44.580 i hope he doesn't watch this i i honestly just hearing hearing the details i don't think he will

00:08:53.200 you never know i did post about it but okay we'll see you what do you mean you posted about it i just

00:09:00.920 posted on my private story on snapchat like my my main private i don't know if you know understand

00:09:05.820 that concept well what did you post just like a selfie with the link to to this to the podcast

00:09:12.660 oh yeah sorry sorry sorry um well what what was the long message i'm curious i want to hear it

00:09:17.880 a second we believe in you thank you i'm sorry if you want to move on while i pull it up i don't

00:09:25.440 know one eternity later how close how much have you guys texted since he like broke up so it wasn't

00:09:33.980 even a breakup he just goes to me for like three days and then he was like hey sorry i blatantly

00:09:38.160 um what was it ignored your message um here i'll move on and you can find a message go ahead

00:09:45.040 what was the question again where's your relationship status oh okay um i'm single and practicing

00:09:53.800 celibacy for the last seven months um good job not for any religious religion relation but just for

00:10:01.000 myself um and yeah i've just been single and not really trying to talk to anybody so okay so

00:10:06.780 celibate for the past what's the longest relationship you've had um three years three years yes okay

00:10:12.860 what about you um i am completely single and my longest relationship was two years

00:10:20.720 completely single yeah what does completely single mean just like there's not there's not a guy in the

00:10:26.560 picture not at all i'm not even not even like texting a guy no come on no when's the last time

00:10:32.740 you went on a date i mean does like like a date in a relationship count when was the last time you

00:10:42.960 were taken on a date wait months i don't know it's been like a long time well uh how long have you been

00:10:50.380 single for i've been single like about four months but it was kind of like long distance a little bit

00:10:56.560 so like even before that yeah you lived in dubai dubai did he live in dubai no he actually uh lived

00:11:04.060 in canada oh yeah are you from canada no i'm from california originally okay gotcha um but so when's

00:11:11.700 the last time you went on the date exclude like a first date oh i think high school high school

00:11:18.560 yeah no i usually like whenever i've like speaking to your mic please whenever i've gotten into like

00:11:23.380 a relationship like i don't know we just kind of like started like as friends and started talking

00:11:29.340 like i've never gone on like a first date sure started like in a relationship from there are you

00:11:34.440 in college or were you in college at all or yeah i was actually originally before i got into social

00:11:39.180 media i was in college for forensic nursing okay um well i think that's a pretty typical experience

00:11:45.540 for people in college you're not going on formal dates it's more of like a more casual hangout

00:11:50.520 either one-on-one or in a kind of a group of friends or going out to a party or something like

00:11:54.720 that so it's not surprising to me that you sounds like you haven't gone on like a more traditional

00:12:00.700 first date or not frequently anyways yeah got it have you been able to find the here we'll come back

00:12:06.920 to you on that how long is it is it like that's is that your message yeah okay let's we'll we'll do

00:12:16.960 a paragraph or two and if it gets a little you should read it you should read his message i'll

00:12:21.380 try to like scan over the stuff that would take too much you should do is that is that your message

00:12:26.240 or his message to you my message to him go ahead go ahead let's hear it okay so he said i didn't mean

00:12:32.660 to make any of it a confrontation i'm sorry if it's making you feel that way i said it's not even

00:12:37.360 about a confrontation i mean i guess it is on my end i just feel like you've been flaky and different

00:12:41.460 and it hurts my feelings i'd rather you just rip the band-aid off be blunt um etc so i can go ahead

00:12:48.120 and work on getting over it instead of sitting and pondering on whether or not you're actually

00:12:51.900 interested in me like i almost want to apologize for being as intense as i've been but you started

00:12:57.100 it and literally the only thing that made me that made you reevaluate was me involving oh my god

00:13:02.620 um my family in our hypothetical marriage situation

00:13:06.900 it's so hard to like explain the marriage stuff because like where i'm from people get married

00:13:13.920 like all the time because it's a marine town so like con contract marriages are like is he a marine

00:13:20.280 yeah he's a marine i know why wouldn't you want to marry you then i know that's what i'm saying

00:13:24.760 that's a marine thing that's the money they get money i think when they get married i believe yeah

00:13:30.260 they get a bigger house they get money yep so i don't know what's going on they have a lot to

00:13:36.700 gain benefits yeah there's more benefits when a marine gets married that's why they get married

00:13:40.980 okay all right ladies let's continue um from my perspective so that whole like my take on the

00:13:48.380 marriage thing was from my perspective just keep going okay i just wanted to make sure um you told

00:13:54.580 me the other day you feel the same as you did before but you've given me no update on your

00:13:58.080 position on things and certainly no signs of affectionate feelings i thoroughly enjoy your

00:14:02.440 presence thank you um and i want to spend time with you whether or not you're sick and while i

00:14:07.860 can understand you not being in the mood to hang out because you're sick that's different than how i

00:14:12.100 would act so it kind of adds salt to the wound i just don't understand and although i think you've

00:14:16.780 been more communicative than most other guys would be oh hold on

00:14:21.140 oh my god how did this happen how did this happen appearance of chase tts crashes and burns

00:14:29.820 possibly not the best business decision all good though fun while it lasted

00:14:36.920 yo grid one it's uh we boosted it today just because we have a lot to get through conversationally

00:14:42.860 so um we the read trigger is 100 tts is 200 we just uh and we've done this before in previous uh

00:14:50.520 periods if we bring on a really big guest or we have like a big panel where we just want to make

00:14:55.020 sure we get through everything and make sure that the tts isn't too disruptive it's not um it's really

00:15:01.520 not about chase it's more so just we have a very big panel tonight i have a lot of questions for

00:15:06.420 tonight so just want to make sure we can get through smoothly but appreciate your support uh shoot me a dm

00:15:11.420 and we can figure it out just a little bit more i'm so sorry it's all good um all of the questions

00:15:17.660 that are swarming my head are being unanswered i told you i'm crazy or whatever and i expressed to

00:15:22.540 you how intensely i feel things like this but i think you forgot or something i know this whole

00:15:27.220 message might ruin things even more add more pressure whatever but i think i'd regret not

00:15:31.480 fully expressing myself if things were to end between us and maybe i'm blowing it out of proportion

00:15:36.640 but i think my feelings are drawn from reasonable occurrences i don't know man that

00:15:40.800 sounds like a lot of work yeah it was i've so many thoughts about this but we can continue i tried

00:15:48.200 to be you know communicative but like i did i usually like to write down my thoughts in my notes beforehand

00:15:54.100 in this message i did not do that so i just feel like it was not how long were you guys seeing each

00:16:01.720 other four like a month at this point which it seems very intense but like the first week that

00:16:09.760 we're hanging out we left the state together and we were together for a whole weekend and we were

00:16:14.060 talking about like i said the marriage thing and he was like i might be falling in love with you and

00:16:18.460 then keep in mind i'm 19 and like all i've wanted my whole life is to be loved like i'm very like and i

00:16:24.880 talk to my therapist all the time about it but i'm very desperate for it um and i'm you know working

00:16:30.320 on that but what's your relationship with your dad like it's i mean it's fine now how was he growing

00:16:37.260 up not not good huh he was some pretty absent for the most part and he actually watches this podcast

00:16:45.700 like the clips of it on youtube so um but he wasn't around often he was like whenever i was really

00:16:52.620 young i would see him all the time on weeks so like every weekend sure let's try to get through

00:16:56.620 the relationship status so go ahead i've been single since december of last year i had a

00:17:02.500 situationship thing from february to beginning of july and currently single not seeing anybody or

00:17:08.420 talking to anybody right now okay uh longest relationship um six months six months got it six

00:17:14.080 months okay what about you i am single and my longest relationship was a year one year got it

00:17:21.980 how long have you been single um about two years two years october 2021 so yeah okay got it what about

00:17:33.080 you well you can yeah i'm married um i have been married for almost six years this is my longest

00:17:41.000 relationship we've been together for almost seven years okay got it no breakups by the way very proud

00:17:48.400 of it nice yeah i'm happily married and thank god for that that i'm happily married um but yeah i've

00:17:57.840 been with uh with the same woman for um 18 20 years something like that oh so i think since you're

00:18:06.540 like 19 or 20 or something yeah my 20s yeah okay got it 20s shout out rachel wilson his wife is

00:18:12.540 awesome she is awesome she also by the way wrote occult feminism little shilling here on the whatever

00:18:18.840 podcast great book i can't wait to read it yeah it's a good book chase uh yeah my oh my relationship

00:18:26.180 status is uh currently private and uh longest relationship i've ever had was a year and a half

00:18:32.680 all right cool so uh for the people who are single people who are single you're really single come on

00:18:40.440 there's a guy there's somebody in the picture a guy maybe a woman maybe a they

00:18:46.060 nothing in the picture you said you've been single for what one or two months you said yeah

00:18:51.820 but like you got have you had a rebound has there been i like see people yeah what sorry what's that

00:18:58.120 you i like see people see people what does that like plural like i go on dates people like ask me on

00:19:03.860 dates okay and then they take me to dinner they take you to dinner yeah and then we like hang out

00:19:09.380 um when you say people do you mean men do you mean women mostly men do you date women too uh yeah

00:19:15.340 not i haven't in a while though okay got it um do you have so previously we've had people on the

00:19:22.140 show talk about having a roster you know roster list anybody got a list well that those are two

00:19:28.940 different things so first i think respectfully i have a roster respectfully you have a roster yeah i

00:19:34.260 respect all of them oh you respect all of them yeah they got all my love they get all of your love

00:19:39.420 how many how many you got on the roster yeah you think i have a list is it too long to have a list

00:19:45.560 well it's too scattered to have a list they're not because they're not in a relationship with me so

00:19:50.360 they're not there texting me every day so like sometimes what's the size of the roster ballpark

00:19:56.300 ballpark two to two to seven two to seven that's a lot of variability it could be two it could be

00:20:06.000 your options now yeah two to seven okay wouldn't wouldn't it be a bit more definite like i have

00:20:14.400 five people on the roster no okay isn't that kind of like saying one to ten right no because i didn't

00:20:23.080 say one to ten could be anywhere between one to a hundred yeah what if i said one to twenty then

00:20:27.600 that would be a completely different thing right so like one modest he came a donated two hundred

00:20:32.060 dollars chase sorry for raging last episode stay based and keep spreading knowledge bricks and props

00:20:39.420 on raised tts proper move for business ike not religious but gen z needs jesus big time christ is

00:20:48.360 lord amen hey no worries bro yeah oh and also just with the tts i think

00:20:52.940 later on in the show that we're wait what was that i just made up for what for the guy i was just

00:21:00.480 joking with the chat because i thought okay anyways okay the the tts we might uh lower it later on in

00:21:08.660 the show we just want to get through at least the early parts of the show a little smoothly that way

00:21:12.780 we can establish things um wait what were you at nothing specific about what they said i was just

00:21:20.560 whenever there's a i like to engage with whenever there's a what there's a what a comment which

00:21:25.460 comment the one it's nothing to do with the comment itself you just like to make mouth farts when

00:21:31.620 somebody sends in a comment well i won't i won't again i was just i just like to engage with the

00:21:36.760 chatters if that's okay engage with what chat what chat specifically the one that popped up the tts

00:21:44.680 yeah i'm sorry if i'm not being specific enough well what what motivated you to make the mouth

00:21:50.740 farting noise i just thought it was funny i just thought it was funny i'm sorry not i'm not like

00:21:55.580 being good news all right good times don't quit your day job to become a stand-up comedian um

00:22:01.380 let's keep it moving actually i farted i wanted to hide it i'm sorry

00:22:06.420 did you actually like that one yeah i had a smoke what is good

00:22:11.480 okay i guess that's a bit more forgivable right yeah she's trying to hide the next time you should

00:22:22.360 just be like sap does it can you confirm is it just absolutely yeah actually smells pretty good i

00:22:27.740 kind of like it usually people like their own brand but she's kind of special thank you it's my own

00:22:34.860 brand of farts what the fuck

00:22:36.800 all right i feel like we got an interesting show ahead of us folks let's go

00:22:42.780 all right um okay so um two to seven guys um one to ten uh let's see i'll come back to the list

00:22:55.520 thing actually uh but so you're single did you say how long you've been single for sorry if i missed

00:23:01.660 that she said she's pretty single and then it shifted to completely single

00:23:05.120 right recently this is pretty recent well you've always been single this is like

00:23:09.960 so i have i had one or i had one three-year relationship in high school like that was like

00:23:17.100 my most significant oh yeah yeah sorry my most significant relationship we lived together for two

00:23:23.000 of those years and all that other stuff um and how long ago did you stop this situation ship

00:23:28.700 oh this sounds like a week right it was like yeah this situation we were literally just chit chatting

00:23:34.340 a couple days ago what let me ask you a question while you were seeing this guy were you talking

00:23:39.280 to other people dating other people did you have a roster no i kind of had one guy that was living

00:23:45.080 but he lives like far away and like i met him like over the course of three days and we hung out over

00:23:49.720 those three days and then like he came up to where i live but we didn't get a chance to hang out so

00:23:54.240 not really no not really a roster i don't like like this guy i like totally fell in love with this

00:23:59.720 guy that i know knew for like a month i was like a month yeah you fell in love okay yeah gotcha but

00:24:06.380 it's on the rocks yeah pretty much sounds like it's basically donezo yeah yeah all right what about

00:24:13.320 to hear that what about you so you said you're single you said you've been celibate for seven months

00:24:17.820 yes um prior to the this seven month celibacy period how were things looking for you romantically

00:24:26.460 um not i just wanted to focus on my career and making money okay and working because i work a lot

00:24:35.500 and it's really hard to just sorry um it's it's really hard to just balance a lot of work with

00:24:43.920 that have you been dating at all during because i mean you could still be dating but be celibate

00:24:48.940 right have you been dating i try to avoid because it's still like if i go on a date like there's a

00:24:53.140 chance of temptation yeah what about you um like in terms of you said single four months single four

00:24:59.980 months nothing come on there's there's some guy in the picture come on okay so to be honest like

00:25:06.480 i've i i can't do hookups at all like i'm too much of a simp like i actually didn't even like

00:25:12.540 experience stop the cap uh no i actually didn't experience attraction to a person until i was

00:25:17.420 around like 17 and i realized it was because i needed an emotional connection that's the first

00:25:23.040 time i ever experienced like oh i can be like yeah attractive when you say you're a simp how do you

00:25:27.980 how would you simp like you fall hard yeah whenever i get into like a relationship it's like that person

00:25:34.820 and only that one person and it's like i put kind of like my everything into it so okay all right

00:25:42.160 um because i mean you have a pretty uh substantial following on instagram i think it's what one

00:25:49.680 point something million two million or something like that yeah it's like uh 1.5 and you're a content

00:25:55.460 creator so i'm assuming that you probably get a lot of dms a lot of attention from men i mean

00:26:00.700 yeah i mean i i do get a bunch of different dms from you know like athletes rappers everything kind

00:26:08.800 of in those terms but at the end of the day like there's nothing that's going to really come from

00:26:13.300 that so i personally usually don't respond unless maybe they said something like funny or something

00:26:18.480 like that if they send me like a meme or they send me like an anime recommendation something like that

00:26:24.100 then i'm like oh this is a cool person you said some athletes musicians rappers yeah and anyone we

00:26:30.700 would know anyone we might know yeah drake well oh well no not in not in those terms not in those

00:26:40.760 terms what he sent you what what kind of terms are we talking not not through the instagram dms but

00:26:46.660 through some other i don't know i don't i don't like to talk about my dms like personally i mean

00:26:51.460 there was like um so so so drink not in those not in those terms not in those terms whatever that

00:27:01.400 means okay no it was like it was like more like an email but it wasn't it was a email did he write

00:27:08.680 did he write did he write you a love letter like what was he talking about slid into the gmail but

00:27:13.440 or was it hotmail 2002 moves right there aol yeah myspace you know okay how many uh how many

00:27:20.860 celebrities would you say have slid into your dms um i mean quite quite a few like what are we talking

00:27:29.660 15 20 more um i mean what would you would you include like like professional athletes actors

00:27:39.160 nfl musicians nba yeah yeah all i'm gonna say is nhl quite quite a few are we talking double digits

00:27:45.940 triple digits at least at least double how many nfl players how many how many nfl players what are

00:27:56.800 we talking are always the nba players the nba players there's so many basketball players i swear

00:28:02.160 okay it's like the top okay all right wait you know what let's just pull up her instagram really

00:28:07.260 really quick just just to see okay okay maybe you know just to see um but and nick do you know

00:28:14.120 how to do that okay yeah yeah um so how many from the nba like 10 to 20 more it's like a team

00:28:24.320 right it's a whole bench yeah yeah lakers

00:28:29.380 but i also i won't say anymore because i do realize like people come into my dms and i don't want to be

00:28:38.940 like that one person you know that you don't have to say names we're just curious about the field of

00:28:43.860 their profession that they're in you said rappers yeah any uh um what uh well we have two savs here i

00:28:54.620 think so what's your at on instagram it's s-a-v-a dot s-c-h wait it's uh shit what's it called

00:29:03.200 what's what are the guys with the that control the puppets and their comedians what are they called

00:29:10.420 ventriloquist ventriloquist any famous ventriloquist hitting you up actually no i hear they go hard in

00:29:16.980 the dms say you had one is he good jeff dunham jeff dunham dm'd you no i'm kidding there was a

00:29:24.780 younger tiktok do you have it i don't have the dm anymore because it was on my old account but

00:29:31.320 okay oh 1.5 million okay scroll scroll down lord have mercy we must stay focused brothers we must

00:29:38.340 stay focused oh okay all right um okay good gem queen okay all right i can actually i can

00:29:47.340 hip thrust uh 590 pounds that's impressive yeah is that a is that like uh for a woman you want to

00:29:54.860 marry chase and well andrew you're already married is that would that be like a goal like

00:30:00.760 one of your you know green flags if she can hip thrust i mean not necessarily 600 pounds but like

00:30:07.380 i will say hip thrusting sculpts a woman's body in a very nice way okay all right

00:30:12.300 hey sexton donated oh it's james sexton we're gonna have him on the show most quiet i've ever

00:30:20.040 seen andrew the next time i debate him i have to remember to bring a girl to babble about her

00:30:25.360 situation ship apparently it's his kryptonite great show the show's just started andrew's gonna

00:30:32.500 trust me we got we got some good convo moving into the flow mr sexton past the woman prattle we'll

00:30:39.340 get past the woman prattle are you are you stifling an allergic speaking of which speaking of which

00:30:44.360 james sexton i is gonna be on the show he's uh he's a divorce attorney um and that'll be interesting

00:30:50.920 i think he's james are you are you uh living the bachelor life are you single because

00:30:57.000 look maybe we could pull up his instagram that can you pull up james sexton's instagram because

00:31:01.720 we're gonna ask the ladies if they would date james sexton accomplished and revered divorce attorney

00:31:08.800 in new york city and where else i don't know where else but he have a big nose

00:31:15.840 why why are you asking is that a deal breaker or a deal mate just something it's a deal maker

00:31:21.600 okay um what do you think about brian's nose is it good you like it he doesn't he doesn't throw me

00:31:27.500 under the bus no i got a big it's a regular nose it's your future wife right here yeah reg nose

00:31:34.600 okay scroll down he looks like jordan peterson to me no well not really i don't see it at all he's a

00:31:45.620 handsome guy you know yeah not ugly but also he's he looks like a news anchor yeah i'd probably hit

00:31:53.520 wait wait wait okay so we'll go around the starting with you you'd what i'd probably hit if i wasn't

00:31:59.400 celibate if you weren't i'm sorry james she's celibate at the moment i'm sorry what about you

00:32:04.360 no i don't think so um he's too old okay what about oh uh personally i don't think we'd have

00:32:14.240 anything really to talk about i think there's he's a fantastic conversationalist really never say

00:32:20.220 never sav never like justin bieber okay all right no he's a little too old absolutely not oh wow okay

00:32:30.020 all right no well you're married so okay um andrew would you date james that's a that's a tough crowd

00:32:36.840 for you sexton i think the nose you guys have beef i love you sexton no no we just we we're like

00:32:43.280 frenemies we debate a lot oh okay what what did you guys debate uh last time we were debating about

00:32:48.340 marriage okay yeah okay we're arguing for he was arguing against or what not really it was a little

00:32:53.400 more nuanced than that but essentially we were arguing from um kind of a secular versus christian

00:32:58.360 framework on marriage gotcha um actually just coming back to you really quick have you ever had

00:33:04.080 a roster maybe not currently but have you ever had a roster like dating two guys three guys for

00:33:09.160 example same time very briefly briefly yes okay what about you when you weren't celibate did you ever

00:33:15.800 have a roster um like maybe a main piece and some side hoes you know i don't think of like them

00:33:22.860 it's not like side hoes it's just like dates okay have you i mean if you object to the terminology

00:33:29.460 i'm using have you ever dated multiple people at the same time well what do you consider dating

00:33:35.220 because like i consider when i'm dating someone it's like um like a romantically pursuing romantically

00:33:42.260 pursuing well then i've probably dated like a lot of people at some uh at the same time

00:33:49.160 concurrently not like concurrently or they don't know well what do you consider dating like a long

00:33:55.120 like a serious relationship okay so typically when i think of dating it doesn't necessarily imply

00:34:01.100 exclusivity necessarily yeah you could be dating around for example um i just wouldn't yeah dating

00:34:07.740 multiple people yeah how many dudes have you seen at the same time like the most probably at a point

00:34:13.160 i mean probably like three to five three to five okay got it sav what about you well you already

00:34:20.480 asked me but no i've never never had a roster okay what about you i just prefer to see one guy at a

00:34:25.900 time one at a time okay never but never a little crossover it happens you know well if i'm like

00:34:31.600 sleeping with a guy it's one guy at a time but like if we're not serious i'll be on i'll go on

00:34:37.120 dates still with other men and stuff but i won't i'll stick to sleeping with that one guy got it what

00:34:41.460 about you nope never never zilp zilp what the fuck is that okay wait i have a question if you're

00:34:48.660 sleeping with a guy what's the point of going on dates with other guys well because i end up in like

00:34:52.980 situationships and stuff like that or like i'm still it's too early to be like to define the

00:34:58.800 relationship or whatever so i'll just i like like her i'm a simp too i i put all my eggs in one basket

00:35:06.280 and i bites me in like the ass later on so i'm trying to like not do that and still see other

00:35:11.320 people they commit okay the chick that farted was determined to do so you see her you see her blank

00:35:18.580 cavity bro okay i don't know if i want to breakfast this morning imagine how different things would be

00:35:26.460 if she hadn't okay chaos law do you want to about mcdonald's like a um like a mcdonald's sandwich

00:35:34.140 like a mcchip not mcgriddle chick-fil-a wait what are they i that doesn't make sense the question

00:35:41.560 that they're asking is how how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning

00:35:46.260 i would these are the pressing questions of the whatever podcast i usually i don't eat yeah i'm very

00:35:53.160 i'm like i need to speak very carefully with this one well i'm i don't usually eat breakfast so

00:35:59.160 right but but if you did eat breakfast and what would it be no no no how would you how would you

00:36:05.620 feel if you hadn't eaten oh no are we talking about her bowel movements right now yeah i guess

00:36:11.740 i'm picking up what you're putting down chaos law what's going what's going on chaos law her dms are

00:36:17.260 up in chaos law if you want to explore this if you guys want to now i'm going to get people asking me

00:36:22.000 to fart for them on camera i know it's gonna happen trap him in the bars what the fuck okay i just i

00:36:28.260 just don't ask me to fart please uh just so going back to you you would be hooking up the guy sleeping

00:36:35.740 with him but then you would also while not sleeping with other men you might like go on some other

00:36:40.220 dates is that kind of i might if i like if other guys ask me out or they seem interesting but personally

00:36:46.100 i prefer to just i'll just sit around and wait on that one guy okay wait on what exactly i don't

00:36:51.980 know for a commitment yeah the feels yeah for you know for him to like like me you know for him to

00:36:58.240 like you you know for him to be with me i mean if he's sleeping with you shouldn't he like you

00:37:02.620 he should listen i'm we're from the same town i live in a marine town like those marines be playing too

00:37:08.980 much games if it's not mutual on both sides i feel like you don't hold any accountability for that one

00:37:15.200 person not to sleep with other people if you're dating around that's how i feel so yeah i mean

00:37:21.040 ladies don't conflate a guy sleeping with you with him like liking you and wanting to like you and

00:37:27.000 wanting to be with you it's a huge mistake maybe i move a little differently but for me to sleep with

00:37:32.440 a girl i need to like her same um like if i like i literally can't sleep with a girl unless i have a

00:37:40.200 strong emotional connection with her and if i sleep with a girl i want to keep seeing her like i one

00:37:44.520 night stand is i mean unless she does some like obscene egregious shit immediately after we we've

00:37:51.080 hooked up like but if i hook if i have sex with a girl i want there to be a continuity i want to keep

00:37:56.700 seeing her so i don't see the point of one night stand are you a low-key simp am i a low-key simp

00:38:03.480 that sounded i'm definitely not as how is that simp it sounded like simp behavior wanting a

00:38:08.460 relationship with somebody that you have an emotional connection with is simp a little bit

00:38:12.300 like simp behavior this sounds like damaged perspective to be honest behavior yeah fatherless

00:38:18.080 behavior wait are you telling me right now if a guy like fatherless behavior what's what's your name

00:38:21.880 my dad's watching the podcast what's your name i'm azure azure that's right are you telling me if

00:38:27.420 a guy likes a girl and wants to be with her that's simp behavior no absolutely not i'm making a joke

00:38:33.760 oh okay okay it was very dead it was very dead i'm a mon i'm very monotone so i sound like i'm being rude

00:38:39.740 but i'm not i'm just okay you're being kind of sarcastic i guess yeah but not in bad faith okay

00:38:47.160 no i i didn't detect the deadpan but same yeah i mean i was actually just i was taking uh i've done

00:38:56.200 a couple things and i feel like you've gotten offended like a like you're like i'm not trying

00:39:01.240 to be disrespectful you're just you're a little bit hard to read yeah and the farting noise was

00:39:05.480 off-putting earlier it was my it was a cherry and they made it because i felt like he was making

00:39:10.220 he thought that i was making fun of whatever okay anyways so you don't you don't think if a guy

00:39:15.480 likes a girl and wants to be with her he's a simp no i think that's wonderful i wish there was

00:39:19.280 more people like that but you guys have different values than some people okay or are you just walking

00:39:24.780 back your position because we were about to push back against your position no i'm not walking back

00:39:29.880 against anything okay it's not it's not that serious it's a joke okay it was a hard it was just a bit

00:39:35.720 hard to detect it because it sounded like you were i'm very deadpan he he got the deadpan okay that's

00:39:43.100 fine um i think we went around on no roster roster okay um on your point since you brought

00:39:49.920 up that a bunch of like nfl nba players have dm'd you has any other girls here gotten that sort of

00:39:54.380 attention from some like really really attractive attractive guys or high status guys have you had

00:39:59.480 that care to specify like nba nfl nhl um badminton i don't know if badminton's on that level you know

00:40:10.340 guys i don't even watch sports okay what about like the lead singer of my chemical romance

00:40:16.760 does your hard way slide in dms he might i don't think never say never does he have a wife who knows

00:40:24.040 he has a wife um i don't know like bigger content creators like in the millions i don't know okay

00:40:31.880 what about you no i'm pretty like small i have like a thousand followers on instagram okay so it's like

00:40:38.420 yeah you never know sometimes we've had some uh local college girls who have a couple thousand

00:40:42.180 followers and they have nba players in their dms otherwise they're otherwise normal women

00:40:47.540 not content creators just go to college here and nba players nfl players are dming them so

00:40:54.300 okay um anybody else have some notable people dm'd you um you don't have to say who maybe just tell

00:41:02.840 us yeah an nfl player nba player this rapper you know yeah so i used to have a an account with 80

00:41:09.520 80 000 and so i got hit up by the sports players and um excuse me rappers um but they're like

00:41:19.940 soundcloud rappers that were like had some sort of hype but mainly um like sports players yeah

00:41:28.420 specifically nfl okay gotcha um well i think we've pretty much covered most of my questions related to

00:41:36.840 all your uh relationship status relationship history so uh two questions before we really

00:41:42.560 get into things that i want to ask going around the table do you consider yourself a feminist

00:41:47.500 yes okay absolutely yeah into the mic absolutely what's the first rule of fight club

00:41:57.280 uh so is that a yes you answer the question that's the first rule of fight club yeah so you are a

00:42:04.260 feminist yes i am okay um i feel like um there are different definitives um in today's age that um

00:42:13.080 i don't know might extend some boundaries on feminism but i still do consider myself like

00:42:18.440 a feminist um but i think there are some kind of you know like there's aspects of it that you reject

00:42:27.040 and aspects that you accept well i think just in terms of um i think everybody should have equal

00:42:33.460 footing and the thing that i don't like is um when there's hate towards either gender and i think

00:42:39.020 that's unfair i consider myself a feminist okay okay equality i am not a feminist i am definitely

00:42:47.360 not a feminist i am not a feminist andrew are you a feminist absolutely not no

00:42:56.020 you asking me yeah couldn't be less of a feminist i am the official representative of the patriarchy

00:43:03.780 let's go i love the patriarchy give me some what do you mean womp womp what do you that's what we're

00:43:13.260 talking about are you are you not aware that patriarchy is based i just threw up in my mouth

00:43:18.920 do you know who like reagan would never say that okay do you know who owns only fans oh snap here we

00:43:26.180 go oh yeah we can it's a white man you guys i don't like that but you capitalize off of it men

00:43:32.740 creative and so they're capitalizing off of us yeah so are you that's no you're also making money

00:43:38.360 always off of him no are you supporting the patriarchy by doing only fans you make an active

00:43:43.240 decision to do that historically that wasn't the case though for my only fans wasn't my first form

00:43:48.100 of sex work wait historically what now historically sex work was made by men um so they wouldn't rape

00:43:56.040 the good women of the town oh i'm just i just want to come in so they went our word there's been a

00:44:03.640 few responses you've given to questions we are trying to have there's moments to be humorous

00:44:08.660 moments to just answer the question immediately without like the what is the first rule of five

00:44:14.100 club you can just answer the question um we gave you pre-show instructions not to say certain words

00:44:18.520 if it's absolutely necessary within the context of conversation to bring it up use like sa i'm sure

00:44:25.120 you know what that can stand for okay i was i yeah okay i realized yeah go ahead with your point

00:44:31.280 um so when sex work first started when was that that would probably in the 1800s sex work started

00:44:38.860 in the 1800s yes where there's prostitutes prostitutes started in the 1800s i'm not sure

00:44:45.580 exactly what time but i would like to see not sure that sex work or prostitutes started in the 1800s

00:44:51.300 it's historical 100 confident that prostitution did not start in the 1800s okay i can assure you

00:44:58.620 okay so anyway go ahead okay um so s so sex workers

00:45:05.320 were forced by men of the town of different towns because they would have wives and good women of the

00:45:14.660 town that weren't considered slut can i say you can say slut that weren't considered sluts or um the

00:45:21.920 whores or whatever they the terminology um so they developed sex work so they wouldn't rape those

00:45:28.620 women bro and they would are you brain dead all right grid one motorsports

00:45:35.320 the guy who owns have paid himself one dot three million a day last year and still owns the billion

00:45:41.200 dollar company you are the product feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help you top day

00:45:47.580 yeah insanely based comment grid one thank you uh grid one appreciate it um what's your guys's

00:45:53.260 definition of feminism hold on hold on is there something you want to say yeah i never finished

00:45:58.220 my point okay but but hold on are you aware of what you just did again you can i'm you can explain it

00:46:06.400 because i okay i i asked you before the show we said don't actually say that word just because it

00:46:13.340 fucks with youtube whatever you said it and then not just now but earlier and then i said please use

00:46:19.420 the word essay are you are you coherent right now yes why did you say the word again then i said the word

00:46:27.280 again what are you just not that i feel like i feel like i wasn't able to finish my point so i lost my

00:46:34.380 okay i feel like she's a liability to the show we'll we'll give her more chance but please like i i'm

00:46:41.980 trying not to i'm not gonna s if you need if you need to use that word just say essay we all know what

00:46:47.480 you're talking about here at the table i understand or the r word i guess i think i think hey excuse me

00:46:52.760 one second i think for the sake of your channel one more strike she's out depending on what but

00:46:59.680 please i mean we've had to tell you multiple times okay so i understand yes okay okay continue with your

00:47:06.020 point um it started be so men wouldn't sa women of the town who are considered whores um so it's a job

00:47:18.220 that was developed by men so yes it's been developed by men through time and only fans

00:47:24.180 is owned by a man what evidence do you have for what you've just said and then andrew if you want

00:47:29.100 to come in yeah so just just out of curiosity i want to make sure i got this right so i don't want

00:47:35.380 you to feel cornered i just want to make sure that i'm giving back what you're saying to you

00:47:38.660 are you saying that small towns in the 1800s developed systems for prostitution so that the men there

00:47:45.000 would not sexually assault the women and yes and i'm not saying specific i don't know what time

00:47:50.800 period but whenever s or sex work started yes whenever that's well i mean sex work's been around

00:47:57.920 yeah it's been around in america at least because we're one nation under god it's been around since

00:48:02.880 america's founding yeah since america's founding it's sex work has been a thing and it was started

00:48:08.920 to prevent that from happening to prevent to prevent sexual because there's good women and

00:48:14.560 women who are considered whores they like and so would you say then so they would be forced coerced

00:48:21.020 into that i understand what you're saying so would you say then that you think that women who operate

00:48:26.920 as prostitutes would have been less likely or more likely to get sexually assaulted by men

00:48:31.140 that's a great question that okay the reason why they were even in that job okay be is because

00:48:41.460 they were more likely to be yeah but do you think that they would be more likely or less likely to be

00:48:46.400 essayed as prostitutes the whole point of them not being he's not asking about the point of them it's a

00:48:54.740 simple question do you think they'd be more likely or less likely to be essayed as prostitutes more

00:48:59.720 likely yeah right so that's just that it's always more likely for sex workers to be

00:49:04.760 essayed but so i just want to make sure i got the system right so if the system is this is being

00:49:10.140 developed in order to cut down on essay and yet you're putting women in a position where they're

00:49:14.420 more likely to be essayed does that even make sense to you essay of the good women i don't i don't know

00:49:19.200 if you're understanding my point i'm talking from a historical where sex work started in the

00:49:27.380 beginning when america was found like it's been around where did you hear this where did you get

00:49:32.260 this information i've i've looked up multiple articles and historical you wanted to come in

00:49:38.060 go ahead because i'd like um yeah what she's talking so like what you were saying is like

00:49:43.480 wouldn't they be more likely to a lot of these women that were put into sex work

00:49:47.360 in times like that they had already been set essayed by the time that they were like

00:49:55.560 they were content they were considered they were seen as dirty so they were not they nobody wanted

00:50:01.920 and coerced into doing why were they considered dirty because if they weren't married if they

00:50:08.300 weren't married oh i see because they weren't so so in other words the societal standard says to

00:50:13.420 them yes our standard is that you can't step out you can't have sex outside of wedlock you can't do

00:50:18.040 these kinds of things they did that anyway violating the societal standards so the men went kind of

00:50:23.560 pushed aside and went you're undesirable right yes okay so so so if they're undesirable you're saying

00:50:29.600 the only way they could carve out a living is to be prostitutes they didn't make i'm trying to make

00:50:35.280 a point that they were coerced into doing it to prevent men to not sa the good women of the town

00:50:44.540 because they those men would be married and they wouldn't they would step out of their marriage and so

00:50:50.620 the i got it so walk me through this of the city or the town do you think that men got around in a table

00:50:55.900 inside of one of these i'm not these women did not decide at the beginning it's decided now

00:51:00.280 listen hold on just one sec hold on just one second two hundred dollars brian you should have

00:51:05.720 kept these super chats at 99 the same is likely this poor gal's iq the delusion is super strong with

00:51:12.980 this one femism has nothing to do with anything this girl is talking about uh grid one thank you

00:51:20.260 man we'll probably lower it later on in the show it's just we want to get through this early part

00:51:24.340 quickly thank you man appreciate it appreciate it andrew go ahead yeah i was just wondering do you

00:51:28.760 think that men got in a room and they were like talking in one of these towns one's like hey

00:51:34.020 chuck you know i'm really worried about the virtuous women of our town being sexually assaulted by steve

00:51:40.500 over there so why don't we take all the undesirable women and we'll just make them all prostitutes so

00:51:45.520 that that doesn't does that even sound realistic that's where brothels were developed no that's not

00:51:49.860 how brothels were developed then can you explain how they were yeah brothels are developed because

00:51:55.060 women can make easy coin being prostitutes and many of them have no skills or didn't desire or didn't

00:52:02.860 desire to have any skills and a lot of people moved a lot of women actually migrated from eastern areas

00:52:08.760 to western areas uh in order to become prostitutes during the pioneering phase because they made a ton

00:52:14.580 of money during the gold rush so these were choice based things these weren't nobody forced it's

00:52:20.800 ridiculous i'm not saying it's forced it's that these women were casted out from society for not

00:52:26.440 getting married or being considered so they were shunned that's true they were shunned patriarchy got

00:52:31.660 together and was like i didn't must be a you must be a prostitute because we're shunning you from

00:52:37.560 society you're not even shunned really it's you're a social outcast because you're not desired by men

00:52:43.220 because you have violated the rules and norms of society you hold on can you go and then you go and

00:52:48.440 then seth go ahead you keep talking about um can you scoot your mic this way you're evading my you're

00:52:53.780 doing a debate hold on hold on stop go ahead you go so you keep so what i said was that these women

00:53:01.520 had already been essayed before they had ever entered sex work and then you said though these

00:53:07.700 were their choices no but well but you said that you said that that because they're impure so you

00:53:12.660 think that because a woman is impure if someone else has done that to her the claim that women

00:53:17.300 engaged in prostitution because they were essayed and that's why they engaged is ridiculous you could

00:53:22.140 never prove that that wasn't the point i was trying to make you're doing go ahead look up any study

00:53:26.700 that you want that prostitutes were only prostitutes because they had been so do you want me to find a

00:53:31.340 study about how many prostitutes have been sexually assaulted well that's not the claim the claim that

00:53:35.920 you made was they were prostitutes because they were essayed no i'm saying that that's what happened

00:53:40.160 before the likelihood what's your what's your point go ahead um i would like to say that the

00:53:44.260 patriarchy is not a group of men a specific group of men it's like a description or describing word

00:53:50.220 to um or for social structures that we have you know ingrained into into our society and

00:53:57.640 ingrained into a variety of societies and cultures so it's not just one group of people also um sex work

00:54:05.260 who's at the top of that though inside there's not a individual that's on top of then what's a

00:54:16.160 matriarchy led by feminine values so then there's somebody on top of the archie right that is female

00:54:25.100 in a matriarchy so it depends on what you're using the word for so like when we talk about

00:54:30.880 matriarchy not patriarchy i know they're like opposing words um like for different yeah but

00:54:36.660 who's on top in a matriarchy so in a matriarchy a woman is on top if we're talking about a matriarchal

00:54:42.180 society but whenever we're talking about a matriarchal society we're usually using it in

00:54:46.820 a historical context um so we're describing how a like a specific society functioned um like within

00:54:54.220 their households and stuff like that when we talk about the patriarchy in a modern context

00:54:58.580 we're talking about the qualities and structures that a society has within it so um i would say

00:55:05.920 to just throw in a point that kind of correlates with patriarchy um capitalism is a patriarchal

00:55:13.800 structure that we have within our society a lot a lot of societies so men so just make sure i got

00:55:19.080 the definition hold on hold on oh sure no no no you go i was just i was just wondering i just want to

00:55:24.400 make sure i get the definition down so women can be in charge in a patriarchy i mean a woman could be

00:55:31.940 a manager at a job in a patriarchy that's not really my question though i'm trying so you're saying that

00:55:36.240 this is a developed system and this is a descriptor for how the west works or how uh different um you

00:55:42.640 know different nations work you're using this as a descriptor for the systems and the systems are what

00:55:47.140 creates a patriarchal system can at the top of this patriarchal system exist all female leaders

00:55:54.580 theoretically

00:55:56.580 i guess if the if the women were upholding patriarchal standards then yes so why wouldn't

00:56:04.400 that be a matriarchy then i guess it depends on the definition that you're using right that i'm

00:56:09.580 using here so it seems to me that patriarchy has no meaning if you're removing men from being at the

00:56:17.520 top of the patriarchy right just like oh sorry just like matriarchy could you imagine how foolish it

00:56:25.200 would sound if i said oh there was this great matriarchy with a king and princes and everything

00:56:32.080 that wasn't matriarchal right so this is why i'm trying to get kind of your definition for these systems

00:56:38.140 yeah i definitely i understand what you're saying and um i think what i'm saying that's not

00:56:44.980 getting across the way that i want it to be is that there's different kind of in between the lines

00:56:51.500 depending on what in what situation you're talking about matriarchies okay so here's a clarifying

00:56:57.260 question for you i'm gonna simplify it he asked you if it could still be a patriarchy if there's women

00:57:02.760 at the top managing it and you said if they're upholding patriarchal structures it could

00:57:07.920 still be a patriarchy what what do you mean by that what are those patriarchal structures that

00:57:12.860 those women at the top would theoretically be upholding capitalism would be a good example

00:57:17.460 women benefit from capitalism you benefit anybody there's benefits there's benefits in wait so are

00:57:23.000 you against capitalism theoretically yes i think that there are ways that it could become better in

00:57:29.160 practice you do only fans so theoretically i have to be able to live i have to be able to live

00:57:33.660 so you're taking advantage of capitalism in order to live okay are you more in favor of like socialism

00:57:38.340 or communism yeah what's this if you don't like capitalism what system would you prefer to see

00:57:43.420 yeah what's matriarchal capitalism is when you're stop hold on this is a question for her so i guess by

00:57:49.660 definition it sounds very radical in me and i do consider myself to be a radical feminist but i guess

00:57:54.260 communism the definite the very simplistic definition that i have of communism the utopian society that i

00:58:00.360 envision would be a communist society and that is because we would have like a trade and barter

00:58:05.080 system so i could provide you know what i'm good at providing what i enjoy to provide you could

00:58:09.420 provide to our you know to our share of society a stateless society yes yes and i think that it would

00:58:14.400 be very complicated to go from where we are right now so i can end this argument very quickly for you

00:58:19.460 we're not arguing about it i'm just setting well no no i can actually change your mind about this

00:58:23.040 very hang on i can change your entire mind about this i promise okay inside of your stateless society

00:58:29.500 you would have to have an enforcement arm like police officers or something like this to deal

00:58:34.660 with criminal criminals right wouldn't you how could you enforce a hierarchy inside of your society

00:58:43.000 without appealing to a hierarchy to do it why would i need a hierarchy because a stateless society

00:58:48.420 is one without a hierarchy we would agree that that's true so if that is true how could you enforce

00:58:54.680 the norms of a stateless society without appealing to a hierarchy to do so so the norms that would be

00:59:00.480 in my stateless society um i don't know how big this you know would be but we're talking about a

00:59:05.040 hypothetical i guess so in my stateless society the norms would be to commit ethical decisions

00:59:10.580 there would be a what if somebody violates those yeah then what then you're gonna add then you have

00:59:16.260 enforcement to take care of that right because people will inevitably violate yeah i've had this

00:59:21.560 so if people will violate the norms of that society and have to appeal to enforcement that is a

00:59:27.460 hierarchy grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars patriarchy values women protect them and

00:59:34.560 cherish them the idea that it preys on women is absolutely trash intellectualism feminism has failed

00:59:41.520 you how may the patriarchy help you today bingo um andrew did you want to continue on with your

00:59:50.040 point yeah if you don't if you don't mind of course go ahead i'm just saying think about the absurdity

00:59:54.980 here inside of a stateless society there can be no hierarchy if you have a hierarchy you have state

01:00:02.340 how do you enforce the norms of your stateless society without appealing to a hierarchy

01:00:06.900 it would be let i guess it would be somewhat of a hierarchy there's two levels those who commit

01:00:12.340 ethical decisions and those who do not commit ethical decisions and what's you know decided to

01:00:16.960 be ethical is decided upon by the community sure and then so the in my mind the only things that can

01:00:24.020 really come up to me that would require you know severe punishment or uh what was the word that you

01:00:29.940 were using enforcement enforcement yes would be murder and essay

01:00:33.900 um there's tons of what about theft theft all kinds of things i don't in a society when there's

01:00:39.220 not a sense of scarcity i don't think that there's theft would be a problem unless there's somebody

01:00:44.300 that's a kleptomaniac that let's take all those off and just violence just violence itself violent

01:00:49.300 crime stuff like that if you're going to have violent crimes inside of a society you're going to

01:00:52.940 have to have enforcers big strong enforcers to go take care of any violent criminals who exist right

01:00:58.100 like that's going to be necessary wait do you do you in your society that you envision do you

01:01:04.580 reject the idea that there would be a criminal element you think it would be impossible for

01:01:10.420 criminality to materialize not necessarily i don't think it would be necessarily impossible but then

01:01:16.080 again i haven't seen a case study where society lives like this you know to see whether or not it

01:01:21.560 would why why do you think it would be possible then for there to be a society without crime

01:01:26.480 no this stateless society that you're talking about where nobody's stealing from one another

01:01:30.900 there's abundance everywhere there's no scarcity everybody's conforming to the same social norms

01:01:36.040 there's no hierarchy i mean you're describing what you call communism but this is not this is

01:01:41.300 communism has never played out like this yeah you know you've had like small societies that have

01:01:46.580 been con communes where people have shared the same social values and they get along relatively well

01:01:51.820 but like can you name a single time in history when what you're describing has ever happened at

01:01:57.660 scale um no that's why i said that this was like a utopia a utopic type this is where my values lie

01:02:03.520 and i do think that it would be very difficult for a society like the one that we have modernly to

01:02:07.820 transition to the this type of utopian but if it's stateless that would be absent hierarchy even

01:02:14.940 inside of what you're describing is not stateless because you say that there is a value group

01:02:20.540 who assesses what is moral and is immoral and is ethical and not ethical that in and of itself

01:02:26.440 is going to be a hierarchy and thus not stateless i didn't i didn't use the word stateless i didn't

01:02:31.420 bring it up and like well that you just agreed but that is communism right communism is a stateless

01:02:36.060 society that is what is postulated by communism is it not i use the word communism very loosely it's

01:02:41.820 commune so we're living in a community and ism wait so are you saying in this utopian society that

01:02:47.920 you desire to live in what would be the population of said society because currently in the u.s the

01:02:53.700 population is over what 300 million 330 million okay so are you talking like 200 people something

01:03:00.040 like that would be cool i mean i don't know how because like i said i haven't seen a case study

01:03:04.120 right so i don't know how many could so okay you have your society of 200 people what do we do with

01:03:11.620 the other 330 million people just in the united states do they also society that have different

01:03:17.140 ethical systems what was your name again caitlin caitlin yeah i say this with all due respect i think

01:03:23.300 this utopia that you're describing is fundamentally completely incompatible with human nature and will

01:03:29.240 never exist at scale because and i don't say this to insult you but because human beings naturally

01:03:35.260 organize themselves into hierarchies do you have any you have evidence of this that you could show me

01:03:42.040 all of every history all you walk into this room when you walked into this room to set up the podcast

01:03:47.680 there was a guy who was in charge and he told you to go over there and fill out this form yes and then

01:03:52.000 he told you where you're gonna sit and he told you which mic you're gonna speak into and he told you

01:03:55.840 everything the very second we walked into this room all of us together the entire room was organized

01:04:01.720 quickly in by hierarchy in a hierarchical structure and everybody was told exactly what their role was

01:04:07.260 yes any any any time human beings organize in a group at all there's always going to be leadership

01:04:14.240 that emerges but there's going to be somebody that's more confident bolder able to articulate

01:04:18.660 themselves more clearly they're going to rise in the hierarchy particularly if they exercise good

01:04:23.680 leadership abilities there's going to be people that are less competent people also temperamentally are

01:04:29.300 wired in different ways some people are going to be more wired to serve others others are going to

01:04:33.940 be more wired to lead and hierarchies are just built into nature all around us yeah and i don't necessarily

01:04:40.320 agree uh or disagree i'm sorry um yeah that's not really super so by hierarchy for me i guess i totally

01:04:48.160 understand what you guys are saying my visualization of it within this utopia is very much less intense than

01:04:54.460 what we have now where there's like you know the president that rules over everything and all these

01:04:58.580 corporations and um lobbyists and whatever organizations subsidize government decisions

01:05:04.600 so you like small government i don't mind small government can i just ask a question really quick

01:05:09.320 um you guys will ask for evidence when like the opposing argument speaks but we can't ask for

01:05:18.020 evidence and you guys absolutely can like would you would show us because like are you asking about

01:05:23.480 the evidence she asked for no just in general i know you can ask us for evidence but will you show

01:05:29.660 us evidence if we have she did she asked for evidence of a hierarchy and i gave her a logical

01:05:34.100 demonstration we can't take out our phones and just show you no but what we can do is just have a

01:05:38.880 conversation where i can reference things that have happened in history and you can reference things

01:05:42.320 that have happened in history and yes i just you you guys may be lying about it you may be telling the

01:05:46.440 truth that's we won't know because we're not going to sit here and take out our phones and look

01:05:49.640 we won't know either if your evidence is okay well that's a bit meta it's a bit it is but it's

01:05:55.280 like i don't like that you have evidence imagine brad's shirt and using brain at same time

01:06:00.220 impossible communism only works when everyone perfect nobody is perfect errone lies imagine

01:06:08.500 pitching communism and not knowing what it is chase w we have i need to get to one more i wasn't the one

01:06:15.020 who made the communism she wasn't telling you about communism i don't i i'm not speaking on

01:06:20.100 communism as a separate question sure that's fine hold on wait wait wait let me read this looking

01:06:24.980 forward to hearing from the three next to brian should should be a good convo chase as always

01:06:29.080 thank you for being a role model for young men and progressing the good news of jesus christ

01:06:32.680 hashtag christ is lord uh brady hey thank you very much sorry it took us a little while to get to it

01:06:36.660 thank you brady i had just one thing related to i think andrew's questions here did we fully

01:06:42.560 well i'll let okay hold on i'll let this one come in two hundred dollars there was a survivor

01:06:48.260 show where they put all men on one island and all women that was hilarious is that naked in a couple

01:06:52.580 of days yeah the women were cold and hungry whereas the men had fire food and it was due to hierarchy

01:06:59.560 yeah it was hilarious that whole thing was hilarious that's so funny i saw i've seen it yeah um did we

01:07:06.240 get to fully address did you have did you have an answer when it came to the criminality component of

01:07:12.440 your utopian society do you have a salute i don't think it would be really a solution i think it

01:07:18.780 would depend on where the society starts um if we were to be able to fully and gently deconstruct

01:07:25.900 capitalism in the way that it exists in the way that it exists today then maybe we could heal

01:07:31.600 social wounds for lack of better terms don't you think this is pretty lofty like where are you

01:07:38.460 learning this stuff where who are you consuming these ideas from out of curiosity i've just done

01:07:43.080 a lot of analysis of what's right and what's but you're obviously like listening to influential

01:07:48.640 people from maybe throughout history reading books youtube podcast i just have one question

01:07:53.520 that's it just one can you name two communist thought leaders

01:07:58.000 i said okay that's totally fair and totally a valid question can you name two communist thought leaders

01:08:07.600 is like the best that i can give you honestly and fairly and i can admit that and i'm very okay with

01:08:12.880 that why in the world would you espouse an ideology if you don't even know the names of the thought

01:08:17.700 leaders who espouse an ideology you said did you guys or do i believe in socialism communism whatever i

01:08:24.740 said communism just like to loosely use the term to describe okay can you name two socialist thought

01:08:31.420 leaders i didn't say anything about me being a socialist i just i want to add you know i'm going

01:08:35.660 to tie all this together that you saw that guy's super chat a moment ago about that uh tv show where

01:08:40.880 the men were on one island and the women were on the other island and all the women were cold and

01:08:44.160 hungry i haven't seen it and i would let's assume let's assume for a moment that it happened earlier in

01:08:48.760 the conversation i asked you if you could describe any non-patriarchal structures uh and you referenced

01:08:54.440 communism and socialism and kind of basically agreed to your utopian vision as like something

01:08:59.720 that could potentially be non-patriarchal right have non-patriarchal values in social structure yes

01:09:06.040 okay in i just want to you know i was talking about human nature before in the kind of society that

01:09:11.360 you're describing a stateless society where there's like abundance and everybody's just like hanging out

01:09:16.140 and they adhere to the same social norms ethical values instead of social norms ethical values ethical

01:09:22.620 values to his point there is going to need to be enforcement because to his point there are going

01:09:28.120 to people there are going to be people that violate the social contract and on top of that the people

01:09:34.660 that are going to be enforcing will be men because typically men if you look at all the data men are

01:09:40.460 more often violently criminal than women are women aren't going to be the ones standing up to the

01:09:46.880 violent criminals violating the social contract it's not to be i'm sorry it's not debatable we're

01:09:53.120 we're way stronger than women are it's going to take men to restrain violent males i don't think

01:09:58.620 that's necessarily true i don't know i don't know of any evidence for men have on average three times

01:10:04.700 men have other men i can demonstrate men have on average three times greater upper body strength

01:10:11.160 than women do even without training one second wait do you do you take issue with the position

01:10:19.000 that men are physically stronger than women i don't like that it's used but i don't have any

01:10:23.920 evidence for or against i don't have i think that women can be physically strong nobody's saying they

01:10:29.580 can't be physically strong i mean she can she can hip thrust 600 pounds but like if i were to ask you

01:10:34.860 this this easy question pretend that you were in charge of a prison and you could hire all female

01:10:44.920 prison guards for the most violent criminals on planet earth or all male prison guards with the

01:10:50.340 exact same qualifications which ones would you hire the strongest period okay which ones are going to be

01:10:57.340 the strongest do you think i have no maybe i can add to that evidence for who's going to be maybe i can

01:11:04.020 add to that what do you mean you have no evidence life experience men are stronger than women are

01:11:07.680 almost always based off gender i could not pick who is going to serve my people here let me let me

01:11:13.680 ask you a question like right let me ask you a question the hundred strongest people in the entire

01:11:18.620 world right now are they men or women i don't know i haven't looked they're men okay and i believe

01:11:24.300 you guys and i support you you it's not you the point is this is a layup this is crazy the point

01:11:31.340 you're saying that there's no you've never seen any evidence that like basically men are on average

01:11:35.260 stronger than women what about like life like life as a whole like it's obvious there's three men

01:11:39.740 well there's three men cornering her like she can't like

01:11:42.480 wait no hold on i'm not trying to corner you yeah go ahead go ahead stephan what do you mean

01:11:46.980 these are big strong women because you guys have like 10 years on her and like you guys are

01:11:52.900 obviously know your points a little bit okay so okay that's meta that's irrelevant when they draft it

01:11:58.520 when there's a draft why would they choose why is it only men that's a good question i was now

01:12:04.880 it's going to have to be women okay so yeah unfortunately because feminists are fighting for

01:12:10.540 equality so now we're going to get it so in the bible it's because there's no men going into the

01:12:15.520 army one person at a time you go ahead please yeah it's been stated in the bible that men are

01:12:20.860 protectors so yeah right because they they do a better job protecting okay yeah i will say that

01:12:27.920 yeah i have always felt more protected by my mom okay but that's fine i i would like to ask again

01:12:33.780 the hundred strongest people in the world currently are they men or are they women

01:12:39.020 it's obviously men but since you guys are asking the question i'm going to safely assume that it's men

01:12:45.020 and i do not have a problem with that and i i mean the richest people are men most all the

01:12:50.100 billionaires are men grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars all may be saved through christ

01:12:57.180 no man can save the girls on the right so let's stop trying there's no utopia without a rudder all

01:13:04.500 ships run the ground without direction or let us fail reality weeps okay it sounded like you had

01:13:10.440 something um yeah i've had something like probably like 10 minutes ago let me think about it because

01:13:14.840 i probably forgot it it was like 10 minutes ago i raised my hand um so do you think that a

01:13:22.220 matriarchy society just means that like because like he sent that question that was like men on

01:13:28.540 one island and women on one island and then the men were fine and the women weren't so do you just

01:13:33.600 think that like society should be only men no what's like the solution because you seem to think that

01:13:39.040 like women don't have like a value in no no certainly not what's the value of a woman if it's not

01:13:47.660 because like all you're explaining is that value stronger her her value is in her reproductive

01:13:52.880 ability and her ability to take care of her family what if a woman was infertile what if what if she

01:13:58.400 was yeah what if she was does that mean that her purpose has failed i know but i think that it makes

01:14:03.960 her generally speaking less valuable to men inside of that society wouldn't you say so you like this

01:14:08.300 society under like a reagan presidency she's less valuable as a person that's not what i said

01:14:12.980 undergone are you saying repeat what i said repeat what i said you think societally people

01:14:18.060 will find her let me let me say it again less valuable i said that the men inside that society

01:14:23.620 where women cannot reproduce or a woman can't reproduce are probably going to find her less

01:14:28.780 valuable in terms of a dating and romantic yeah well not just in terms of dating and romantic

01:14:34.040 but here's the thing a lot of let's just walk it through walk it through logically do you think

01:14:39.200 that women are equipped to do the same kinds of jobs that men are equipped to do no but are men

01:14:44.180 equipped to do all the same jobs that women are yes they're what job can women do that men can't

01:14:49.360 it's vice versa reproduce i'm sorry not reproduce give birth that's not i mean that's not a job as

01:14:55.740 part of your biological makeup but when i'm asking you where are all of the female stonemasons where's

01:15:02.260 all the female green berets there's not a single one there's not a single female navy seal there's not a

01:15:07.020 single female because we aren't raised that way they're not a single no no we're not raised

01:15:11.520 that's not let me finish i'm almost done i'm almost done i think that women could hypothetically do

01:15:17.340 those jobs right just like men could hypothetically do a traditional woman's job but but see the same

01:15:24.920 way ladies ladies ladies ladies ladies stop stop can i please stop but typically right stereotypically

01:15:32.560 that there's a reason why men primarily have those jobs and they're better at those jobs right but

01:15:38.480 what do you think what do you think that reason is biology absolutely okay 100 i i don't disagree

01:15:44.260 with you i'm just saying there's hypothetically there could be an outlier right yeah a woman could

01:15:49.940 be a green beret or whatever anything as a monolith yeah okay so my argument has nothing to do with

01:15:55.500 anything being based around women oh hold on hold on now that i've heard these mensa members talk i'm

01:16:01.900 feeling really disappointed about none of them wanting to date me looking forward to coming on the

01:16:07.280 show soon brian uh and great to see andrew here yeah thank you it's great to see you too i'm sorry

01:16:13.080 you were too old um love you so just kind of so you understand we're not talking in monoliths

01:16:20.380 okay so i'm not saying everyone can't ever do x name a job that right that a woman yeah that a man

01:16:28.580 yeah so what i'm talking and i'm clarifying right now so that you understand this is not a monolith

01:16:33.700 it's that i wouldn't even think i'd have to explain this but i guess i do it's not nothing's ever

01:16:37.980 expressed in a monolith so i'm not saying there could never be a hypothetical woman who does x i'm

01:16:42.280 just saying that if you look if you look at what men do okay if you look at just basic jobs which are

01:16:48.340 done outside like roofing for instance this is a really good one female physiology actually is not

01:16:53.040 equipped to deal with that because of heat extremes so you guys like studies you like studies

01:16:57.280 you keep on saying i love the studies the studies are great well here's a great study for you to take

01:17:01.100 a look at women inside of office spaces they get really cold and the men don't why why is that do

01:17:09.420 you know why that is can you tell me well i'm asking you do you know why that is i mean it's

01:17:15.960 because their physiology is completely different so they can't regulate their temperature in the

01:17:19.920 same way that males can regulate their temperature this is why when they work outside they're less

01:17:24.300 prone to get heat stroke they're less prone to have all sorts of different issues that women are

01:17:28.480 more prone to have so yes there are these kind of physiological barriers not just the well if i was

01:17:34.640 raised to be a construction worker i could be one nope there's still physiological barriers which

01:17:40.000 exists between the two sexes yes i was never denying that i was just saying that there are still women

01:17:47.160 it's just it's because we're not raised like to do those kind of things men are raised typically

01:17:54.360 traditionally more masculine and to work more masculine jobs there's not going to be a father

01:17:59.580 teaching most of the time i mean i was taught to do like to fix my own tables and women do better

01:18:06.440 academically than men do inside of the united states overwhelmingly and they're far more likely

01:18:11.200 to complete their education so who's telling them then not to do these jobs if you say they're not

01:18:16.120 raised or somebody's giving them some kind of barrier to entry i just think it's a i just think

01:18:21.560 it's like a pointless argument because like yes it's a more male dominated field to do like these hard

01:18:26.940 labor jobs but you guys simultaneously will complain about like building society and how you guys are the

01:18:35.380 ground so before i get to you you wanted to come in you're raising your hand right oh i mean this

01:18:43.080 was this was actually from from a really long time ago this was an entirely different topic

01:18:47.200 it was actually over the topic of um you know prostitution prostitution and everything like that

01:18:53.200 and that was that was a long time ago this is okay go ahead um with the jobs in the or the

01:18:59.700 mentioning of the jobs in the education women weren't allowed to get jobs and get educated

01:19:05.260 and like until within the last what was it a century or the last century or even half of a

01:19:11.520 women women women have always always done better at education than men have inside the united states

01:19:19.140 you're only talking they were raised to get married and have children they weren't allowed to get

01:19:22.900 you gotta let me finish you like regular regular presidency please if you don't let me finish the

01:19:29.320 point you won't even know what i'm saying okay my apologies what you're talking about is you're

01:19:33.840 talking about when women started going to higher education universities and things like this try to

01:19:39.300 understand the educational distinctions here that a college degree now is worth far less than it used

01:19:45.280 to be because as more people are allowed to go do x thing the standards necessarily have to get

01:19:51.660 lowered always so you're always applying to the lowest common denominator would you agree that

01:19:56.560 that's true can you rephrase that yeah so pretend right that before college was about rewarding the

01:20:08.380 best and the brightest only the smartest can go okay the smartest everywhere those were the ones who

01:20:13.720 went to college but now anybody can go do you think that they would have the same standards as when

01:20:18.400 only the smartest people could go if now everybody could do it i just feel like that's another probing

01:20:24.240 question yeah it is a probing question so i would like you to answer it though i mean i guess i don't

01:20:31.740 have a hard opinion on college i mean logically what if if now they went what they would want the

01:20:36.740 i almost entailed it in the question like this must be true yes they would want the smartest people

01:20:41.620 like no okay here let me let me get a couple chats in um i'm just i'm dumb woman sorry okay

01:20:50.000 this is this is the most quiet i've ever uh this he sent this again as a tts the next time we debate

01:20:55.980 i'll have to remember to invite okay um oh he sent it as a tts in the super chat i see good to see in

01:21:02.440 the chat james appreciate it conan 19 harley quinn from wish definitely has a joker in her dms

01:21:07.260 do you have the joker in your dms no but i do get called harley quinn on like a daily so

01:21:13.160 thanks i guess wait why that is oh what you look kind of like her yeah yeah and i'll take it um

01:21:20.880 actually sorry i did want to come back to one point because i i didn't make my point earlier

01:21:25.980 about the whole prostitution well basically you did insinuate earlier that um you know prostitution

01:21:31.920 was perpetrated by women you know seeking to gain more money and everything like that

01:21:36.960 um i mean overall i do want to say that basis like it came from the consumerism of men there

01:21:43.060 are obviously women seeking to you know gain money and everything like that but that was

01:21:49.100 highly based that started later okay but there was there was male demand and what he's saying is

01:21:56.160 women chose to supply for that demand just like just like you guys recognize that there's male demand

01:22:02.840 for you know visibility of your bodies and you choose to supply that demand it's the same thing

01:22:10.220 yeah what do you think men currently are forcing women to go into like only fans for example or no one

01:22:15.100 honestly honestly right now currently there is um a lot more fair basis and a lot more consent to go

01:22:21.480 into it but i early on in time you know like um a lot of people and women were forced you know

01:22:29.560 to go into prostitution and everything like that um and even now like i have two friends that were

01:22:35.900 human trafficked at a young age um by two male figures like it's it's still currently happening

01:22:41.420 to this day where people are being forced into that sex work so i think there's that definitely

01:22:47.700 does happen and it's terrible but a lot of women also choose to do it and have chosen to do it

01:22:52.580 i just want to make sure i got this clear but are you saying that all women all women who were

01:22:59.120 prostitutes all of them were forced into no not at all i'm saying that right um so then i feel like

01:23:05.580 you came you came at that point like you were saying that um that that field was you know created

01:23:12.760 by women looking for money and everything like that when it did no it started from coercion okay

01:23:19.880 it was not we're gonna move on we're gonna move on nope we're moving on okay okay so because i made

01:23:27.260 a good point but it's okay you had mentioned patriarchy um i'm just curious so perhaps we can get a

01:23:36.200 sense of what the patriarchy is and but i do want to go around the table on this do you believe

01:23:42.220 that there is a patriarchy just i think this is a yes or no i'm gonna go around the table just

01:23:47.800 like plain yes or no question sure uh yes yes yes of course i believe there's patriarchal of i

01:23:58.120 believe there's patriarchal values definitely in the majority of societies just because um you know

01:24:04.520 throughout society males have definitely been in the leadership roles and everything like that i

01:24:10.580 wouldn't say that there's a necessary like straight patriarchy and that's only way you can look at it

01:24:15.860 but there are definitely patriarchal values in most societies where men lead yes no i think we're in a

01:24:25.340 little bit of patriarchy society okay i actually think that the patriarchy is necessary it's a necessary

01:24:33.240 entailment of descriptive reality yeah i would also say uh patriarchy is a real thing i would disagree

01:24:39.700 with your guys's definition of it uh i also view patriarchy as a principle to be a a very good thing

01:24:46.800 and as somebody said in the super chat earlier during the show i think patriarchy is something

01:24:51.920 that has historically actually protected women so one of one of the patriarchal structures what you

01:24:56.940 want to move on no no but i mean i want to ask the women here what is the patriarchy yeah i was

01:25:02.920 actually about to ask them to the same thing or if you have a contribution well you've you've asserted that

01:25:07.340 it exists so the burden is on you to articulate what precisely but he said exists too i didn't say

01:25:13.360 that i can i can articulate how i see patriarchy but brian's asking you what is it i mean if you're

01:25:18.300 asking my my own view i don't think there's a patriarchy because i think we live in a gynocentric

01:25:22.660 society but um what's your um i think the patriarchy so from the beginning can you talk straight into the

01:25:32.600 mic please yeah okay so we were always raised with our parents and our grandparents and um the advice

01:25:47.160 that i was given through my mother and the advice that i was given through my male family members

01:25:54.340 hold on modest hikima donated two hundred dollars brixton thanks for saving me the time money and brain

01:26:02.560 sells by raising the tts chase gonna be headbutt that mike all night long madison yeah welcome back

01:26:10.200 girl one comma three read a book please but whatever shorts too yo jacama thank you man appreciate it go

01:26:18.720 ahead yeah do you not think that like you're saying your parents your grandparents speaking

01:26:24.680 to your mic please yeah so when you are raised traditionally you're raised by your father and

01:26:30.320 your mother and your father does a certain task and your mothers do do the certain task so patriarchy

01:26:35.540 is also like kind of aligned with like traditionalism and you guys like traditionalism i'm not ever

01:26:41.700 saying specifically i hate the patriarchy i'm saying that there's things that get to a certain point

01:26:48.300 where it's not about protecting women and it's not about the protection of everybody it's about

01:26:53.760 making your power the most in the room gotcha but so what what is the patriarchy is being

01:27:04.120 primarily raised by a father or a father figure you're saying society you're saying patriarchal

01:27:11.000 traditions within the family are the patriarchy societally because what i what i heard you say is

01:27:17.540 there's patriarchal tradition within families but there's also men in society it sounds like you're

01:27:23.920 saying that exploit women families are in society okay go ahead what what is the patriarchy i think

01:27:34.560 it's less about like who's on top of our society well i mean you can see that there is a patriarchy

01:27:40.280 with it or in how our government works there's a lot of men on the top you know ceos and politicians

01:27:46.880 and stuff like that but more intrinsically i believe that it's has to do with the social values that we

01:27:54.040 hold you know like she kind of like she said within our families but more of like within our day-to-day

01:27:58.840 actions within the way that we as women and even you as men can go about things so like

01:28:03.740 i think it's more about social values and social occurrences so one thing with how the patriarchy

01:28:10.620 affects men for example is men's ability ability to express their feelings so it's often said that men

01:28:17.720 can not thoroughly express their feelings or do not feel safe to express their feelings because it's

01:28:23.880 viewed as like feminine or grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars i am patriarch i protect and

01:28:32.860 value my wife and children they sleep under the blanket of protection i provide the leader of the

01:28:38.160 family the bedrock upon all that is built you should be as fortunate yeah thank you good very

01:28:43.840 based so you were you were saying that men can't express their feelings because of the patriarchy

01:28:49.240 i would i would actually value i think i would actually argue that's something that women enforce

01:28:55.200 on men not that other men enforce on other men most i don't know most women that i've encountered

01:29:01.500 have been not really caring or like pretty neutral and if if not not really caring about men no about

01:29:09.420 men contributing their feelings so like neutral about i guess okay not negative they're more positive

01:29:16.900 and accepting of it from the women that i've met now i do understand that there are women that are not

01:29:21.860 accepting of men's feelings if that does that i'm sort of more so talking about vulnerability and

01:29:28.120 typically when men display vulnerability in a romantic and dating context that's typically

01:29:33.540 punished by potential romantic partners yes it is very much so absolutely potential okay potential

01:29:39.580 romantic partners or a romantic partner you both in your opinion ladies ladies ladies i i would argue

01:29:47.420 as far as potential romantic partners go i mean women if if a guy is showing if a guy wants a girl and

01:29:54.100 he's showing weakness early on in the relationship or like maybe is too deep in his feelings and negative

01:29:59.340 emotions i've heard it from many girls gives them the ick real fast makes them unattracted but what i

01:30:05.660 would also say is if a man has an established romantic relationship with a woman and she really respects

01:30:11.980 him and is very attracted to him that gives the man room to open up and be vulnerable with like

01:30:17.720 weakness or those yeah so maybe there's just certain times and places where people should be vulnerable

01:30:22.460 like i'm not gonna come up here and then cry about my problems and expect you to be well it's less

01:30:27.120 about empathetic with me because we don't know each other like that yeah no i know but it's it's less

01:30:31.660 about it's less about that there's certain times and places to be vulnerable and it's yeah hold on

01:30:36.720 it's to brian's point that uh she's saying that men not expressing their emotions is a is because of

01:30:45.300 patriarchal structures disincentivizing men from expressing their emotions but the reality is

01:30:49.520 if i take a girl out on a date and i start crying about something in the beginning of the date

01:30:53.540 there's like a 75 to 90 chance it's going to give the girl the ick which is to brian's point that this

01:30:59.320 is something that's often regulated by females wouldn't that i'm not sitting here if a girl cried

01:31:04.600 on it first day well i mean it depends it depends it's like it would be it would be more socially

01:31:09.380 acceptable and it depends it wouldn't be saying yes yes it absolutely would yeah there's no question

01:31:15.320 no question i like it yeah like if you go to a party i feel like we're living in like different

01:31:19.800 reality kind of like oh poor girl if the guy's doing it you're like what the hell in any case

01:31:23.860 to keep it moving on i mean did you want to ladies ladies ladies ladies that's you yo azure

01:31:31.800 we asked you earlier before the show began please respect the show's rules you keep violating them

01:31:37.820 let's have a civil discussion with one person did you want did you want to add anything to

01:31:42.660 your sense of what the patriarchy is i think that was a pretty solid example of what the

01:31:48.980 patriarchy does in our society what about you well you asked for the definition correct your

01:31:54.240 definition or my definition um so in my opinion it's the hierarchy of um male males in american society

01:32:04.440 politically and socio sociologically yeah sociologically societally yes okay

01:32:11.880 the roles of the roles of is there more to that so it's just it's just that men are throughout the

01:32:16.920 hierarchy and yes there's a hierarchy with that's my definition and men so you're saying men occupy

01:32:22.200 the top positions of power uh both politically in corporations etc okay perhaps societally too okay

01:32:30.960 what about you i think you said that you believe there's a patriarchy right yeah i mean i think you

01:32:35.620 know patriarchy is definitely defined by you know the predominant male leadership roles in a society

01:32:41.720 right okay um and you know i think it is it's pretty true that you know throughout our society you

01:32:47.480 know women had the inability to vote for example right women had the inability over a hundred years

01:32:53.160 ago but i'm not sure if the inability to vote is evidence of a current patriarchy but yeah yeah no but

01:32:58.360 i'm saying you know like throughout our society right that's that's definitely kind of been a factor

01:33:03.000 right and i think we're okay so you're talking historically yeah okay yeah and i think you know we are off a lot

01:33:09.880 better um now i think there are still you know some political roles you know some roles and you know

01:33:16.840 bigger companies and everything like that where you can still see male dominated roles but i feel like

01:33:23.800 as a society we are becoming a lot more equal but i think there are still some leftovers okay sure and

01:33:31.880 then lastly with you and then i have a follow-up go ahead yes i did think there was a patriarchy sure what is

01:33:37.320 it i think it's a male dominated world but i also think men will continue to lead but like she said

01:33:42.280 earlier there will there could be the outlier a woman but in my opinion i just feel like it's

01:33:47.320 okay male dominated um so question for you for those of you who believe in the patriarchy under patriarchy

01:33:52.520 are women oppressed i mean yeah okay not in every way but yeah i think the patriarchy

01:34:05.080 is a tool for oppression okay i the oppression is a very hard word but yes there is a lot

01:34:12.760 of under patriarchy women are essentially oppressed yeah but that's a very heavy word to just

01:34:21.640 it's a trigger word or whatever i think i think honestly currently now there is like um a huge step

01:34:27.240 up for women where women are given the opportunities for better education you know roles into bigger companies

01:34:33.000 everything like that and i think you know there is still you know points of like where um you know

01:34:42.440 men might look at women as you know like not being able to lead and everything like that and i think there

01:34:50.200 are still those stereotypes present but i think women are getting to the point where they're able to

01:34:57.160 i think i would agree with what she said i don't think we're fully oppressed but it's being worked on

01:35:03.160 okay under patriarchy are men oppressors

01:35:09.080 um not all of them i guess but okay some of them

01:35:16.520 i think it is a tool that can be used by both men and women and it affects both men and women so

01:35:22.200 there are women that use the patriarchy to oppress both men and it's not about using um consciously

01:35:27.640 but it's like i said it's very socially ingrained so like in a lot of our actions and even the things

01:35:32.520 that we say like the way that we use words it's it can be very subtle and then it can be very extreme

01:35:37.960 as well what would an example be yeah of a woman who utilizes the patriarchy in order to oppress

01:35:44.520 somebody um it would be the kind of like the example that i provided earlier where you guys were

01:35:49.240 talking about how women will shame men for being vulnerable women are using the patriarchal structure

01:35:55.960 the patriarchal standards that have been created i don't know if there was a specific person that

01:36:01.880 coined that but why would that be oppression why would that fall under the oppression category it is

01:36:06.680 very emotionally damaging for men to not feel like they can talk about their feelings okay hold on um

01:36:12.120 under patriarchy or men oppressors um i just i don't like using the the oppressive like i don't like

01:36:22.600 that debate well if you said women can be oppressed so yes so i'm so can i can't find a lighter word

01:36:31.160 than oppression but yes okay um what about you um no not necessarily um i mean the entire terminology kind of

01:36:39.720 basis like off of society as a whole so i think it's just you know okay go ahead no okay so one or two

01:36:47.960 more follow-up questions here you guys are women you're feminists most i think all of you believe in the

01:36:55.640 patriarchy are you oppressed

01:36:59.400 i've gotten used to the position that i've been put in that you've been put in when you say the

01:37:11.800 position that you've been put in is it an oppressed position um

01:37:19.720 it could be seen by that by some yeah okay so depending on let me let me clarify the question

01:37:24.200 are you oppressed and if so how um i'm pressed i guess yeah um the way that i started doing sex

01:37:34.600 work at 18 um i started two weeks after i turned 18 because i was on social media a lot um at the

01:37:41.880 age of like 16 hold on let's hold on let's save the story brian's question was are you oppressed and if

01:37:48.440 so how yeah yeah i'm telling you how um being told at age 16 17 that you're going to be making

01:37:55.720 hundreds and hundreds of dollars if you sell them content of you naked is that not like is that

01:38:03.800 oppression or opportunity you think that's an opportunity well hold on we're privileged hold

01:38:08.520 on we're privileged i wouldn't even say that's a privilege respectfully respectfully i think that you

01:38:13.400 have a serious victim conflict complex you said that you were put in this position but you're also

01:38:19.160 telling me that someone came to you and told you hey you can make a lot of money not one person so

01:38:23.640 okay multiple people told you hey you can make a lot of money if you do this work and then did you

01:38:28.200 make the decision to start doing the work or were you forced into it did you make the decision do you

01:38:34.920 want me do you want like a release i'm i'm just you said you don't want to problem dump so i'm not

01:38:38.920 going to explain it to you that's you said don't come a dump and you said don't make a personal

01:38:43.080 attack and i feel like you i'm not i'm not trying to make a personal attack but you're telling me

01:38:47.000 that you were okay let's let me put it this way you're telling me that you were essentially forced

01:38:52.440 you were put in this position and i'm asking i want to say this respectfully were you forced by someone

01:38:58.360 into this position like were you trafficked into it or was it a choice that you made

01:39:02.200 yeah respectfully i'm not going to answer that question that's like not okay i'm comfortable

01:39:09.960 answering okay could you make the choice to leave the industry yeah but you don't want to

01:39:16.760 no because i feel fine now so you're making the decision to stay in this position yeah because i feel

01:39:22.760 great now about myself okay uh okay how are you oppressed or are you oppressed how are you oppressed

01:39:37.640 as i would say okay yes i'm oppressed and i would say that more than likely unless you are a

01:39:45.320 billionaire everybody in this room is oppressed and i'm not saying you have to agree with me

01:39:49.160 but from the perspective that i take with capitalism and the other social issues i would say to put it

01:39:55.800 put it shortly well i'm oppressed and everybody's well hold on or most a lot of that's not that

01:40:00.520 everybody is not a billionaire is oppressed it's very complicated that's that's but i'm you're you're

01:40:06.600 talking about class oppression i'm we're talking about patriarchy so i suppose gender as a woman

01:40:15.000 how are you oppressed yeah do men oppress you are you oppressed as a woman yes how so um

01:40:28.840 i guess wage difference would be a good example just generally okay a specific example example for myself

01:40:36.360 yes okay being uh viewed differently and being viewed as dumb or less intelligent simply because

01:40:48.280 i'm a woman or a young woman how do you how how do you know that that you're being viewed in that way

01:40:54.280 because you're a woman yeah versus you just say maybe you just say dumb stuff like maybe that's why

01:41:01.160 people view it that way instead of it being because you're a woman so he's asking what's the distinction

01:41:05.320 between maybe you're saying dumb stuff versus they see say see it this way because i'm a woman because

01:41:10.520 i know if men were saying the same stuff that i'm saying they would be respected and like in this

01:41:15.640 conversation no no look i'm gonna be honest if a man was saying the same stuff i i wouldn't respect

01:41:20.600 him more for saying it because he was a man and i would actually go a lot harder against what he was

01:41:25.000 saying andrew andrew do you have anything on the wage gap because she mentioned i've got something i've got

01:41:29.720 something you said that you do only fans yeah it's very small very small okay yes so

01:41:35.160 uh men who do only fans make a fraction of what women make on only fans would you say hold on

01:41:40.760 would you say that men who do only fans are oppressed because there's a wage gap between

01:41:45.560 them and women and is it due to sexism the wage gap on only fans is that due to the sexism

01:41:50.360 well it's because of the patriarchy probably so there's actually not really a way demand

01:41:55.400 but so why is it supply and demand when women have an advantage but when men have an advantage in

01:42:00.520 some field it must be evidence of sexism wage gap and patriarchy no because this is a this

01:42:07.080 was a gay men have only fans too it's just not yeah this is a industry based off of sex and well okay

01:42:13.560 let's talk do you let me ask you a question less like there are not as many gay people as there are

01:42:19.000 straight like straight gay men who want to buy porn do not why don't straight women why don't straight

01:42:25.080 women want to consume because i don't want to i don't want to buy porn not at the same frequency

01:42:29.480 that that men do but let me ask you guys let me ask you guys a question let me ask you guys a question

01:42:34.360 hold on hold on okay um do you think for example the wnba or women's soccer right you hear stories

01:42:41.000 they're they're paid less than their male counterparts wnba players make far less than male nba players

01:42:47.240 do you think that that is evidence of a wage gap do you think that that's sexist because men don't watch it

01:42:53.400 but you think it's unfair go ahead um i think it's less of a wage gap and more of um men so men are

01:43:00.040 the main consumers of sports content right and then they generally don't have a lot of respect for

01:43:05.400 women's sports they don't maybe they just don't want to watch it just like women don't want to

01:43:09.000 watch male sports sorry for interrupting but like or males yeah yeah so like i would think of it the

01:43:15.560 same way as like the only fans it's a um almost like being an independent contractor there's no set

01:43:21.000 wage now for other jobs where there are set wage wages like the medical profession um or like the

01:43:26.440 medical field um you can see a huge gap gap in men's salaries versus women's salaries in the medical

01:43:34.200 field yes wait are you telling me that female doctors and male doctors get paid vastly different

01:43:40.840 wages yes yes the exact working the same hours with the same credentials in the exact same discipline

01:43:47.240 that's according to the studies that what what's what were the male wages and what were the female

01:43:51.480 wages i mean i can pull them up real quick if you want to come well it's probably just i'm just a

01:43:56.760 fraction i don't think but it's still there well just going back to the exact number i would well i i

01:44:02.360 honestly i'm calling cap i think if there's but women are caregivers hold on i think if there's a male

01:44:06.680 doctor and if there's a female doctor and they have the same degrees the same qualifications they're

01:44:10.600 working the same job let's use surgeons as an example extremely highly paid if they're if they have the same

01:44:15.960 degrees and qualifications they do the same kinds of surgeries and they work the same hours i would

01:44:21.320 be willing to bet they're making the same money but regardless do you have any yes they are probably

01:44:27.960 more likely to get higher because they can pay the women less no they can't they pay no if there was

01:44:36.280 if there was a hospital that had listings for surgeons and there was a female surgeon and a male surgeon and

01:44:41.640 they were doing the exact same job but they were paying the woman way less because she was a woman

01:44:45.720 she could probably file a lawsuit against that hospital and sue them to high heavens this this

01:44:50.520 has been legislated since the 1960s if it was the case that corporations could get away with paying

01:44:55.800 women 25 less 30 less whatever the number is corporations would just hire women yeah as a

01:45:02.440 businessman if i could save 30 on wages paid to employees i would and they were just as competent i would

01:45:10.200 of course just be hiring women but in the eyes of the court would you hire all women if he could save

01:45:17.640 i mean 30 percent i don't i don't have i don't have his questions is like this right to frame it easy

01:45:23.880 i didn't get to answer if you are if you are the head of a corporation let's say you're one of these

01:45:28.440 female ceos okay and you see that you can pay women less than you can their male power counterparts to get

01:45:35.640 the same amount of work out of them then why wouldn't corporations leverage that in order to

01:45:39.880 bring in more women employees and pay them less that's the question yeah that's a good question

01:45:45.080 i'm not a ceo i honestly don't i don't know how they do it because like you guys said it's illegal

01:45:49.240 it's technically they have they put them at lower there's a there's a hierarchy in all jobs so the men

01:45:57.400 get the the bigger they get the bigger parts of the jobs they get the better employment okay but

01:46:04.360 benefits and even taking so there's like there will be someone ahead of a company um and then

01:46:10.760 you know people working around them are mostly men and then under those men there's

01:46:14.680 the women like in american psycho where you know patrick bigman had his assistant that was a woman

01:46:20.680 she obviously is getting paid less and that's usually their part wait she's getting paid less

01:46:25.160 what do you mean she's obviously getting paid less than patrick because you don't even know how

01:46:28.360 much patrick bateman's assistant is getting paid because it's a fictional movie i know wait so are

01:46:33.800 you saying the assistant for an example isn't he a lawyer in is he a lawyer in that film no he's an

01:46:38.600 investment banker okay but so the assistant should be paid as much as the investment banker no he's

01:46:43.880 saying she's definitely getting paid less because she's a woman no i am saying that even though we

01:46:48.840 don't know her wage in the movie versus the other am i allowed to finish you guys this male

01:46:53.880 assistant you guys misconstrued my entire what i was trying to get at so i would like to okay i

01:46:58.600 need to return some tapes but go um i'm saying that they're hired at lower positions about than the

01:47:06.200 men and those and whatever i'm i'm speaking from um like when you're working when you're working

01:47:15.160 sorry i didn't mean to press that my bad um thank you but um yeah i just there's a hierarchy here so

01:47:25.240 yes there's going to be more men that are the investment banker one motorsports donated two

01:47:30.840 hundred dollars i refute wage gap wish i could have gotten hired only on the basis of being a woman

01:47:37.880 the privileges a woman is afforded are off the chart thank the patriarchy and i wanted to finish

01:47:45.000 the part about me because you guys asked before like how are you are you oppressed how are you

01:47:50.280 yes i was going to answer let's i don't believe that i am oppressed because i make a good wage um i mean

01:47:58.440 as a woman societally i've been treated different we went i don't know if you've had the you know are you

01:48:04.360 going to get kidnapped when you're a child when you're a little boy did your mom pull you aside

01:48:09.080 and tell you um these things that you're going to be a victim you know my mom was terrified i would

01:48:14.520 be kidnapped yeah so but a lot of men aren't told those things like women are raised that way to where

01:48:21.480 i was well actually speaking speaking but i don't believe now i'm saying now okay but i believe in

01:48:27.640 general yes that women are oppressed but i am at a place of um um well just just i want to add one

01:48:39.080 little i have more there's people that can't speak for themselves that are of less status i make enough

01:48:45.960 money i have my own apartment i'm able to pay my own bills and that kind of thing so i don't believe

01:48:51.800 that i am oppressed because i work by myself like personally but when you were a young child you were

01:48:57.240 oppressed because there were fears no i'm not saying that the oppression thing i'm saying that

01:49:03.080 i don't believe i'm oppressed but sex workers in general and women are oppressed yes like the

01:49:09.560 lower the lower the status not to do it though women are of lower status so they generally societally

01:49:16.520 are they lower status yes besides being i'm not sure i agree with that being you know able to get free

01:49:21.880 drinks at a bar which is like wonderful cool not being subject to military what is what is it when

01:49:27.880 you say status what do you mean by status what do you mean by they're a lower status in society

01:49:33.480 because women are just of lower status we're not taking that's a different that's a rather sexist

01:49:40.760 so if i ask you i mean i guess what's the distinction making that statement i mean i guess

01:49:45.000 consider me sexist no no but what i'm saying is is that if i ask you what i'm genuinely trying to

01:49:50.280 yeah if i say what makes them lower status and you say because they're lower status it's it's

01:49:54.040 regressive so you're just kind of how are you stating the claim so how are they lower what how

01:49:58.120 what makes them lower status societally there's there's a hierarchy there's just a hierarchy men

01:50:06.920 are up here women are here it's a pretty depending depending on what and then men can and then

01:50:14.360 what can women do you think men do you think men are more valued than women yes absolutely and let

01:50:22.520 me ask you a question especially if hold on hold on one of the rules that we talked about at the

01:50:27.640 beginning of the show is when either of us are talking you need to stop brian wanted to ask you

01:50:32.280 a follow-up question you keep talking over everybody else on the panel okay let him host the show please

01:50:39.240 i'm starting to get fed up with it i'm trying to i'm just bouncing i know you're trying i know you're

01:50:42.760 making a lot of different points all right it's all right it's okay it's okay it's okay i'm not

01:50:47.000 i'm not trying to disrespect i'm okay it's fine it's fine i'll continue with the conversation so

01:50:54.440 if it is the case that men are more valued than women why is it the case that throughout all of

01:50:59.080 human history when there's a war for example men are the ones who are sent to war to go and to die

01:51:05.960 in my view i believe that men are actually viewed as the disposable sex i would argue that women are

01:51:12.280 more valued because when it comes down to warfare men are going to be the ones that are sent to war

01:51:17.400 to go and die men are disposable women are valued um when women went to war in the 50s or when men

01:51:25.800 went in the 50s are you talking about the korean war what are you talking about what i'm not well

01:51:30.600 i'm not well versed in which war did women yeah which war did which war did women go to but there was

01:51:36.760 when there's a certain war time period where women were taking the work they were doing all

01:51:41.960 they were sending the clothes they were in the workshops is that them going to war or no and

01:51:47.000 they would have to go just let me finish please but go ahead no i was you interrupted me go ahead

01:51:53.480 go ahead go ahead i'm okay i'm gonna no go ahead go ahead go ahead i would like you to finish

01:51:58.280 just go ahead i'm but you said when women went to war but i think you were talking i was trying

01:52:05.160 to clarify your point i think you were trying to say that women were assisting with the war effort

01:52:11.000 but are you talking in ref i think you're referencing world war ii women did not at least in the united

01:52:15.960 states there's maybe one russian sniper division i maybe not i might be using the wrong word there

01:52:22.680 women in mass were not involved in world war ii uh from a combat perspective but so what were you

01:52:31.400 saying i forgot okay but just just out of curiosity hold on i would like to hold on hold on i'm really

01:52:39.720 tired of this conversation out of curiosity for you two do you guys feel oppressed in society as women

01:52:44.760 i feel privileged you feel privileged why do you feel privileged there's a bunch of things as a

01:52:49.400 woman that i can get away with that men can't like what like certain kind of expectations okay like

01:52:56.600 say we're walking on a sidewalk and some person comes up to me i could i would expect them like

01:53:02.760 and did something weird or you know made me feel uncomfortable nine out of ten times like say i'm

01:53:07.800 walking around in seattle there'll be another guy that's like dude what what are you doing right but if a

01:53:12.440 dude gets in an argument with another guy like it's a fight right yeah um i i don't know i feel

01:53:19.080 valued i feel like there's so many things that i can do i feel like i'm picked over men a lot

01:53:24.280 um because i am a woman what do you what do you think of the narrative that women are just

01:53:28.200 oppressed throughout all of society by the patriarchy um i think it's bullshit and i think

01:53:33.080 that it's a victim mentality and i think that the more that you preach about it and the more that you

01:53:38.520 try and convince yourself that um the more of a victim you will probably behave like i would agree

01:53:44.760 with that how about yourself do you feel oppressed no not at all how our household works is my husband

01:53:51.400 is the head of the household and i absolutely love gender roles i think that they're really important

01:53:56.680 and i think that the sooner that we embrace them you can find freedom and with my husband i have

01:54:05.480 learned to be a submissive wife and he always tells me you submit yourself into freedom if you go down the

01:54:11.160 street you can do whatever and say whatever you want you carry a big husband i fall under the

01:54:15.880 protection of my husband of a man um i think societally yeah i think that men dominate the system

01:54:25.560 but i think for the right reason um what is that reason

01:54:30.920 i think that men are qualified for

01:54:34.040 for how can i explain this i think that do you think it possibly comes down to like

01:54:42.360 competency drive motivation male you know testosterone fueled motivation for success and

01:54:48.600 to reach the top of industries and stuff like that i think so yeah with the workforce i think that

01:54:53.160 men absolutely um have that driving force i think that women are here's gonna be the hot take i think that

01:55:02.280 women are made to be feminine to be supportive of men it's donated two hundred dollars men literally

01:55:10.200 die to protect women men work themselves to death doing hard jobs for fear women

01:55:15.960 fecal honest perhaps you never meet these men because you do not value yourself get some help be betty

01:55:24.600 if you want to continue on with your point go ahead you know i just i i think that toxic masculinity

01:55:30.760 i don't know if i'm going too far off topic i think is a joke um i again really support gender roles

01:55:38.200 i think that they're really important um and i think that we're losing sight of it so so you don't

01:55:43.640 feel oppressed conforming to a gender role in which you're submitting to your husband and subordinate to

01:55:47.960 him i really cannot think of any time that i have ever felt oppressed i am just sitting here just

01:55:53.320 speechless okay we got a couple here go ahead so many you go ahead then mine's gonna be real quick

01:55:57.160 yourself to go to the bathroom i'm really happy for you guys that you guys have had really good

01:56:01.960 lives like that thank you you're welcome you know i we all have issues i'm not saying that i'm perfect

01:56:10.440 i'm not saying that i grew up with a perfect life you know it's a really interesting perspective because

01:56:14.760 i actually 10 years ago i started off as a boss babe all i wanted to do was work all i cared about was

01:56:20.440 money i thought that my status depended on my monetary value and it took a lot of work and a

01:56:27.000 lot of arguments with my husband for him to make me realize hey being a submissive wife it's in the

01:56:31.800 bible first of all i know that a lot of people are not religious but i am this yo this is gold i want

01:56:37.080 to i want to go in on this for a moment if i may how did how did your husband convert you from the

01:56:40.840 boss babe mentality to the submissive wife mentality it took years first of all it took years and what made

01:56:48.040 the light bulb go off breaking down the pride breaking down the pride you have to kill the

01:56:52.440 self you have to kill what you think is the most important thing which is yourself and you have to

01:56:57.160 start doing things for others and the people that you love so once i had identified that pride is the

01:57:02.280 killer of all good things then at that point is when it started being very clear to me that i didn't

01:57:08.920 want to be submissive because i cared about myself and what i got out of the relationship was the

01:57:13.720 most important thing rather than how can i give to the other person as much as i can without

01:57:20.040 getting anything back oh that's gold right there what advice would you give out there to the women

01:57:25.320 who are stuck in their pride and don't want to become those submissive housewives because there's

01:57:30.360 that it's something a lot of women struggle with i would ask what fulfills you okay and does money

01:57:38.680 fulfill you what what is it that drives you to live i mean for me when i had children my life got

01:57:46.440 significantly better i mean the the meaning of fulfillment happiness joy love all of those

01:57:52.120 things i experienced it in a way that i never thought i could so there's hope um i know not all

01:57:59.080 women want to have kids and want to be in a marriage or in a relationship but

01:58:03.000 i wouldn't discount yourself and i love when my husband said just submit yourself into freedom

01:58:10.040 because once you do i still get the i get the respect for my husband that i deserve he absolutely

01:58:16.360 treats me like a queen being a queen means as soon as i come in with the groceries you know what they're

01:58:21.400 at the door they're taking the groceries out of my hand i don't have to lift a finger i don't pay the

01:58:24.920 bills i get what do you need honey here's the money what do you need buy yourself whatever you want

01:58:28.920 that's what it's like to be treated as a queen but i treat him like a king and i look at him like

01:58:34.920 he's my leader he's my protector he's my provider and i'm going to treat him with respect when he

01:58:39.320 gets home from work i'm not going to bombard him go take a shower here's your dinner i'll be ready for

01:58:44.120 you when you're all settled in and i know a lot of women don't want to hear this but this is reality

01:58:50.200 because look i've been married for almost six years and it has not been easy and some family members

01:58:56.920 know what we've gone through how much easier sorry how much easier has it become since you've

01:59:01.080 adopted that traditional gender role it it's always going to be a challenge yeah because by nature we

01:59:07.560 always want to go back to the self okay and we always want to serve ourselves but has it become

01:59:11.800 easier has it made you guys live in greater harmony absolutely okay yes okay yeah cool and you mentioned

01:59:17.000 pride i have actually a quote proverb 16 18 pride comes before destruction and an arrogant spirit before

01:59:23.000 fall um you had something and then sav did you have something i saw some hand raises earlier go

01:59:29.320 ahead so i would like to say that you are totally like within your rights it's beautiful that you want

01:59:35.160 to be a submissive wife and you know anybody that does want to be a submissive wife i think you should

01:59:40.520 be able to take that opportunity if the relationship allows for it um but i think it would be oppressive

01:59:45.880 to push that upon other women does that if we lived you know where you had to be or if i if a woman

01:59:54.040 had to be a submissive you don't have to do anything but i know it might expand your pool of potential

01:59:59.240 romantic partners if you're prepared to fall into a more traditional and desirable role just because

02:00:04.680 i'm curious now i just want to wait just before just before we dive into that just before we dive

02:00:09.160 into that i just want these are about to fall off on the chat so i'm just going to read them really

02:00:12.680 quick yo trad wife cleo as a woman men are superior to women in any and every way not my word don't

02:00:19.800 shoot the messenger here question for the girls would you rather be in a house with a man in a house

02:00:24.520 or a woman in a house if there was a break-in love you chase wait so would you rather be in a house

02:00:30.680 with a man or in a house what if there was a break-in would you rather be with a man or a woman yeah

02:00:38.280 okay that's a good question whoever has a gun okay neither neither have a gun everything's

02:00:43.000 equalized would you rather a man protect you or a woman if everything's equalized and it doesn't

02:00:47.080 matter if they're no no no i mean like in terms of weapons no i think so what you're saying you're

02:00:52.840 saying your bodies i don't know there's no look like you're saying that there's no chase is saying

02:00:56.760 that that stronger so chase is saying that the guy you're with or the woman you're with

02:01:02.360 doesn't have a weapon would you prefer the person who would potentially be helping you defend in

02:01:08.680 that situation would you prefer that be a man or a woman how am i supposed to know a woman okay well

02:01:15.880 we know built like the guy at the computer would you rather it was the average man or the average

02:01:20.840 woman i don't know what either one are built like i i don't i don't look you're 19 years old you've seen

02:01:27.080 the average you've you've here here if we can concede if we can concede that certainly there are

02:01:34.440 some women that are stronger than men absolutely there are kind of weak dudes and there are super

02:01:41.000 strong women she hip thrusts what five would you say 500 pounds no 590 pounds excuse me 590 my bad um

02:01:48.680 there are some very strong women who are capable of defending themselves some of them are martial artists

02:01:53.880 we're not saying that no women can be stronger than men i know however do you do can you at least

02:01:59.800 agree with this most men are stronger than most women i don't know the statistics no there's not a

02:02:07.080 fucking life experience life experience well let's let's equal okay let's just say it's a man it's a

02:02:13.080 man and a woman no there are statistics here nick search google for average grip strength of men versus

02:02:21.720 women we'll just say a man and a woman both 130 pounds they're both bodybuilders right they both

02:02:27.160 go to the same gym they both have all of those things in common they're 130 pounds they both go

02:02:32.120 to the gym they both work out constantly which one would you rather have defend you do i need to study

02:02:36.280 to see that look no we don't we don't need to study look the actual statistics is the average man who

02:02:42.840 doesn't work out is his upper body is three times stronger at least than the average woman's upper

02:02:48.920 body with no physical exercise if the man is stronger if the if my choice between this man and

02:02:54.040 this woman and the man is stronger i will choose a man if i have if the choice men maximal hand grip

02:03:01.400 strength showed the expected clear difference between men uh less expected was the gender related

02:03:06.600 distribution of hand grip strength 90 of females produced less force than 95 of males so 95 of males

02:03:15.560 were stronger than 90 of females this is grip strength this is not fighting strength let's just

02:03:20.600 say you have to choose i'm telling you hang on that's fair carry a gun ladies just carry a gun

02:03:26.120 i'll get it it's fair so let's just try it this way you you had to choose blind you have to choose

02:03:31.240 blind right it's gonna work so it's not gonna work no no you have to that's the nature this is

02:03:37.960 the nature of the hypothetical you have to choose blind whether or not you don't know what you're

02:03:42.200 gonna get you don't know if you're gonna get it's just a roll of the dice a super tough awesome

02:03:46.440 ass-kicking chick who knows ninjutsu or a ufc fighter dude you don't know you don't you know

02:03:52.360 what i mean it's a 50 50 shot you don't know what you're gonna get who would you roll for who would

02:03:57.400 you roll for who do you who would you hope came out the other end she's not gonna she's not gonna

02:04:04.760 give it to you yeah no no but who would you but if you had to choose one or the other blind you

02:04:12.360 don't know right which and right you're rolling the dice you can only choose one do you want a man

02:04:18.760 to come out or do you want a woman to come out you don't know what the variables of them are going to

02:04:21.640 be you only know this one task which is that they're going to defend your life which one would you would

02:04:27.400 you pick which one would you pick i just want to let you two gentlemen know i'm witnessing the case

02:04:35.880 against the 19th amendment play out in front of my eyes right you actually don't have a preference

02:04:39.560 well wait you don't have a preference then okay so okay so you're giving me all rolling the dice

02:04:44.920 right all of the women in the world all of the men in the world yeah how am i supposed to roll the

02:04:48.760 dice because and then even if the they're gonna fight for their for my life with all of their strength

02:04:55.400 that they have hang on listen a hypothetical is designed to test your logic right okay so what

02:05:01.240 we're doing is we're doing a thought experiment modest hikima donated two hundred dollars girl three

02:05:08.120 i'd quote to say four on way to red pill one wouldn't answer if she was forced into sex work

02:05:15.320 call nine one one please number seven fkn based lucky man minimal makeup superior three has gone

02:05:25.080 fkn scary with zero brain power okay all right jacama oh i don't know i'm not sure he's talking

02:05:33.960 about numbers it's very confusing so the the question becomes this because they're trying to

02:05:38.840 test your logic and say we're telling you that on average men are stronger and you're saying i'm not

02:05:43.000 sure because unless i have the studies and this and that so what i'm testing your logic to find out is

02:05:47.400 this if we had a situation where you had to choose blind it's going to be a random woman or a random man

02:05:52.840 who comes out to defend your life and you could only choose one there's only there's a button there

02:05:57.160 that's blue for man and red for woman right which button would you push you can only push one

02:06:04.680 i don't think she's gonna go for it i think i think we can ask this question a million different ways

02:06:08.600 i will answer as close as possible to the answer that go ahead you guys want me to answer i don't

02:06:13.720 want we want we want what well i just i want to know what you think that's what i'm okay i don't

02:06:18.920 want to hear what you go ahead go ahead go ahead okay if we take all the men and all the women in

02:06:23.800 the world and there are more strong men stronger men in this numbers in these numbers in this role

02:06:34.040 if there's more strong men than there are strong women i would choose the men okay let me ask you a

02:06:39.880 follow-up question related to that so is that thorough okay not i think the previous question

02:06:45.320 i asked you was who do you think the hundred strongest people are in the world and it's to

02:06:50.520 me you said you didn't it are they are they all men are they all women is there a mix um all the men

02:06:57.000 and all the women in the world are men stronger than women physically generally speaking we did talk

02:07:05.880 about this earlier well i'm just asking generally speaking are men physically stronger than women

02:07:12.840 didn't i already say that i could not answer the question pound for pound they are muscle density

02:07:17.480 bone density has proven that men i'm pretty sure we all answered yes no she's not answering she's

02:07:22.840 she's saying she doesn't know which i think is fair and no we just referenced statistics that showed

02:07:28.680 that 95 grip strength grip strength is a huge grip strength is huge evidence of your upper body

02:07:37.800 strength yeah that's that's your hands and and you said it's not related to fighting strength i i used

02:07:43.160 to wrestle in high school now hey let's try it this way hey nick high school right nick nick nick can you

02:07:49.000 look up the male uh world deadlift record and the female world deadlift environment thanks yeah

02:07:54.840 would you say that the men in the high school were stronger than the women in the high school

02:08:01.400 no like when you just look around not always on average just just most of them most of them

02:08:06.440 are stronger let me ask you a question if we were to uh you are you familiar with like olympics right

02:08:12.360 you know how there's weightlifting competitions in the olympics this these are the most exceptional

02:08:18.040 athletes of both men and women if we were to show you that in not just weightlifting but also in

02:08:26.280 like lots of other sports in swimming in racing i have a perfect example the u.s and i'm saying this

02:08:32.120 with all due respect the u.s national women's soccer team played a group of high school boys in

02:08:37.640 soccer that's scorched they got smoked by the high school boy these are the best female soccer

02:08:42.760 players in america they got smoked by a group of high school boys okay cool do you it's but it's

02:08:48.440 it's like it's i'm not saying this to like shit on women or anything like that it's it's just like

02:08:52.360 it displays the difference between the sexes it was just a i guess we can't there's no actual place to

02:08:58.360 go in an argument if descriptive reality is rejected so if the descriptive reality of that everybody on

02:09:05.080 planet earth is going to agree with is generally speaking generally speaking not in a monolith

02:09:11.080 there's going to be exceptions to this rule men are stronger than women that's indisputable

02:09:15.080 descriptive reality so if that's rejected i don't even know where you go with an argument it's like

02:09:19.560 a failed premise right away so i think it would to have a more thorough argument whenever it comes

02:09:26.280 to this stuff you'd have to look at the actual biological factors that go into this so like you

02:09:30.840 were going like larger muscular like let's say larger skeleton for instance more ability to create

02:09:36.120 muscle mass higher testosterone all the things that lead to increased strength like

02:09:41.080 all of those things which men have on average that are much larger than women larger bone

02:09:46.040 structure the higher testosterone especially do you think that men produce more testosterone or women

02:09:50.680 on average probably men so it's definitely on average i don't i can't remember if it's a hundred

02:09:57.960 times or a thousand times more testosterone than men that men produce than women do but this is

02:10:03.480 this is what we're getting at men and what he's talking about men produce the hormone testosterone this

02:10:08.360 governs why we have stronger bones why we have stronger muscles it also explains a lot of what

02:10:14.040 feminists call the inequality in the world i was touching on it earlier in the podcast the hormone

02:10:18.440 testosterone makes men more driven more competitive more aggressive this is just built into the nature of

02:10:25.240 reality and it's what factually speaking like men are on average far stronger than women are doesn't mean

02:10:32.680 women suck or that they're bad it's just a difference between the sexes yeah and it's grounded it's

02:10:37.400 grounded in biological grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars anyone remember when serena

02:10:43.720 williams got smoked by the lowest ranked male pro men are built for violence and action women simply are

02:10:50.520 not women will poison you in your sleep wow men will fight you okay thank you grid one i think one one

02:10:57.320 good example of this is that in a lot of sports if we're looking at the olympics for example i believe

02:11:02.920 that the in this isn't across all sports but i think if you look at high school boys you compare

02:11:09.880 the top tier of high school boys okay loose energy donated two hundred dollars brian gold top idiot pale

02:11:18.680 blondie will not stop capping she knows the truth but is on here in bad faith men are stronger in every way

02:11:26.120 versus women time to frank castle this he's talking about physical strength why are you pouting

02:11:31.800 about that okay i don't know thank you hold on what did you say i don't i don't feel like it's a sign

02:11:39.800 of weakness and women to admit that men are physically stronger no of course not it's just biological

02:11:45.080 reality yeah and i think you know like people have different strengths and weaknesses no matter the

02:11:49.800 gender no matter the race anything like that the point i was trying to make is that if you take like

02:11:55.000 for example with uh the the hundred meter dash or whatever you take races you take uh swimming all

02:12:01.960 these sports the records the world records in high school sports for boys they would be gold medalists

02:12:09.080 in female sporting events nick did you have something for us to pull up yeah did you find the deadlifting

02:12:13.640 records yeah this is the male belongs to really interesting so the the male maximum deadlift record

02:12:22.040 was set by oliksil novikov of the ukraine who set a new world record by lifting 1185 pounds you need to

02:12:29.320 get the do you have the female do you have the female numbers okay the female record was 672 pounds so

02:12:37.080 the male the male record that's an extremely impressive deadlift for a female by the way um

02:12:42.600 it's a it's a it's an impressive deadlift for a male too the male deadlift record is almost twice as

02:12:48.120 much as the female deadlift record well wasn't it 1800 pounds it was it was 11 180 something pounds so

02:12:55.320 it's double about yeah it's like 175 percent that we just looked at to that statistic it's about the same

02:13:02.440 okay so biologically speaking are men physically stronger than women on average girl just say yes

02:13:11.480 for them they're just they're it's not wait wait wait why can't you women i'm so curious about this

02:13:16.680 we just showed you we just showed you you ask for the stats in all due respect we just showed you

02:13:21.000 empirical evidence to the men in the room no it's it's no we're presenting just this is look yes and i

02:13:26.920 said the strongest woman in the world at deadlifting lifted almost like a little over half of what the

02:13:34.120 strongest man in the world did like all of the men and women in the world those are the two

02:13:39.720 strongest and the man was almost twice as strong like can't it would it not be fair to concede that

02:13:44.360 men are on average stronger i think she's trying to say something and not being she's not properly

02:13:49.880 able to how about let her speak let her speak what is it it's like i can see that fact and like i

02:13:57.400 totally acknowledge that fact in this deadlift competition or uh comparison or u.s national

02:14:03.480 women's soccer versus high school do we need to do i need to find more metrics to build a more

02:14:08.200 convincing case no it's not about the case i don't appreciate how guys are cornering her with this

02:14:14.280 because she can't even answer the question you're saying i i'm not letting her speak i would like to make

02:14:18.680 just let her speak i'm sorry i do not feel cornered this is a discussion and i'm here to discuss great

02:14:23.160 i gotcha that's go ahead go ahead go ahead please

02:14:30.520 i can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are

02:14:38.200 beating the women but i don't know if so who would win in a fight nixman full tips donated 200

02:14:46.600 dollars why is it hard for these women to understand that men and women are different

02:14:52.040 men are better than women in ways and women are better than men in other ways it doesn't mean men

02:14:57.640 are better or vice versa there's another one coming up that's about to fall off that i need to read but

02:15:01.960 i will let you come in because i know you're about to make your point and i want a real a real doc here

02:15:06.360 he says it's coming up in just a second one sec guys uh nix thank you very much for the uh

02:15:12.280 donation appreciated man a real doc doctor salaries are very dependent on their specialty and where

02:15:16.840 they work a male pediatrician will not get paid as much as a female neurosurgeon thank you real doc

02:15:22.840 appreciate that go ahead sorry the difference in strength yeah yes saying in these different

02:15:30.520 situations you conceded that men were stronger but yes i just don't feel comfortable saying that

02:15:35.720 in general women are stronger or versus men are you know being stronger just because i don't know

02:15:41.000 exactly what situation what is stronger what is not stronger and i think it just let her finish

02:15:46.440 let her because there's so much complexity in the argument you're speaking in generalities there's

02:15:51.240 not complete okay if we took if we took all the men in the world and we took all the women in the

02:15:56.840 world and we were to add up their collective strength and let's say we well who can we do that

02:16:03.080 though well no you can't if you're going to take logistically do lions do you think that the male lions

02:16:09.000 the one with the mains are stronger on average than the female lions the one without the mains

02:16:16.040 well why okay i would like to ask just on average i don't know anything about lines i'm not a biologist

02:16:21.400 i mean you've seen them have you ever seen them in a zoo we can actually we can simplify it even further

02:16:26.120 okay look almost every war i would say probably every single war actually throughout human history

02:16:31.960 men have been conscripted by their countries to fight in the war this isn't because of patriarchy

02:16:39.000 this isn't because of male specific oppression or anything like that the reason why men have always

02:16:44.760 fought in wars is because every nation throughout the history of the world has had one goal in war which is

02:16:50.920 to win and in order to win we're talking life or death situations like one country is invading another

02:16:58.120 country and that country that's being invaded needs to protect their people otherwise they will die

02:17:04.680 get r-worded pillaged murdered so on and so forth throughout all of history men have always been sent

02:17:11.960 to war because the countries wanted to win and they knew that if they sent a bunch of women in there

02:17:16.840 they would get smoked and it's this isn't commentary about women sucking or anything like that it's just like

02:17:21.880 like everybody's always known if you send women to fight they're gonna die if you send men you might

02:17:27.560 have a good chance i would like to ask didn't spartan women weren't they warriors in spartan women it's

02:17:34.680 that's a that's a good question and spartan women actually prided themselves on not being warriors but they

02:17:40.360 were revered in their society for their ability to produce warriors they viewed it as their mission and

02:17:47.880 duty they it was their singular mission in life to give birth to warriors that could defend sparta

02:17:53.960 okay and then what about amazonian women are they not it's that's a major you're talking about the

02:17:58.920 exception we're not we're talking i don't know i don't know about amazon i don't know i all three of

02:18:04.120 us men here and some of the women here will concede there are women that are stronger than some men

02:18:09.480 yes there are women hip thrust more than probably 90 of dudes i know there are women that are stronger

02:18:16.280 than men however generally speaking do you acknowledge that there are differences do you

02:18:21.160 do you acknowledge there are there are physiological differences between men and women yes and is one of

02:18:26.120 those physical strength and muscle mass bone dead biologist i and she's 19 have you have you in high

02:18:34.920 school did you compete in any sports no okay so like i i'm more than willing to admit what i do and

02:18:41.480 don't know here and that's what i'm trying to put across is like if somebody told me two plus two was

02:18:45.880 four i wouldn't sit here and just be like well i'm not sure i don't know enough about it yet i don't

02:18:50.600 know i would be like oh thank you for letting me know that i sure

02:18:56.440 i haven't seen enough evidence that two plus why why is it that in sport why are the in sporting

02:19:00.920 events why is it separated between men and women why do you think that is i don't know and i don't

02:19:07.480 really like it i like in my utopia that i described earlier i would rather women be able to play football

02:19:12.600 and cool you'd rather women be able to play football against males in football and just get absolutely

02:19:17.000 destroyed i'm not here to tell anybody what they can and can't do if they have fun the whole point

02:19:21.080 of sports is to have fun and you know enjoy fun no it's to competition it's fun competition because

02:19:29.800 other than that there's no point to sports you just beating each other up it's to win and if women

02:19:34.440 were competing against men we would always lose every single time why because anatomically we

02:19:41.320 are weaker well what if they train twice as hard that's not how it works that's not reality that's

02:19:47.720 not biology okay black and white either sometimes like it's stronger what it's like such a black and

02:19:53.560 white conversation it's not a black and white conversation and there's no nuance to it because

02:19:58.040 like yeah sometimes maybe like there's a men against women and women will win but like the being

02:20:03.240 like it's just so here this is this might be able to get to the crux of it so in olympic the

02:20:11.160 hundred meter hundred meter race who's of the records that world records that have been set between

02:20:18.200 men and women who's faster men is it men it's men okay okay in swimming who is faster men or women

02:20:28.600 is it men i don't because i like i like i can you start pulling up olympic world records if you say

02:20:35.160 it's men i'll believe you i think what you should also what you should look at too right is the

02:20:39.480 strengths and weaknesses of both genders right like if you if you look at women right they actually have

02:20:45.000 more productivity in their frontal lobes right which allow for you know like better like empathy

02:20:51.480 delegation like yeah like we can you know like write better everything kind of in those terms

02:20:56.840 right men have physical strength i actually just don't i don't even believe you at this point like

02:21:02.120 i literally don't believe you it's not possible at this point for you to even continue like at first i

02:21:10.200 did i was like just maybe she's really stupid but the thing is is like ultimately i don't think that

02:21:15.800 that that's the case i think that you at this point do know or uh maybe you're just like playing

02:21:20.520 along i don't know but i i don't think it's possible okay guys there's i feel like we could

02:21:25.480 have a daughter her age and you're calling her there's no possible way i don't know why you have

02:21:30.440 to try to keep it there's no possible way at 19 years old you didn't know that generally men are

02:21:35.960 stronger than women she's not she's not politically versed and she's not well it's not a political

02:21:40.520 issue what political issue it's the the pain is white and we're gonna argue like i don't get it

02:21:46.840 i did just admit that i understand that there are physiological and beyond that differences between

02:21:51.320 biological men and biological it's fine because they'll clip you and make you look stupid

02:21:55.240 i think i mean even though you're 19 years old hold on brian got to check out for a bit have a tech

02:22:05.000 call to solve some real world issues in the meantime can the girls that are refusing to take a

02:22:10.840 position define what they are looking for in a man um can't take a position define can the girls

02:22:18.200 that are refusing to take a position what they are looking for in a man um whoa hold on we have to come

02:22:24.040 back to that later because thank you thank you for tuning in um what are they looking for in a man i

02:22:29.320 need to do a couple chats here um nick can you pull up the twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever

02:22:34.040 drops a follow drops a prime sub by the way brian i don't know how much of your notes you want to

02:22:39.080 get through tonight but no i know i need to get through some of them yo guys go to twitch.tv

02:22:43.560 slash whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub walls tacos hey stop insane b thank you man lawn

02:22:51.880 thank you king kong thank you uh bear thank you for the prime nelly thing for the prime snail thing for

02:22:56.440 the prime lampy lamp thing for the prime disparity thing for the prime guys twitch.tv slash whatever

02:23:00.680 drops a follow drops prime sub thank you guys all right we have conan 19 the more i hear the right

02:23:04.920 side of the panel talk the more i agree with mary about the 19th okay thank you conan uh doc vanabalus

02:23:10.440 as we speak women in cuba are in line to receive buckets of water because habana has no water for

02:23:15.400 six days there's no time for of women are just trying to survive in this communist paradise capitalism

02:23:20.520 gives you the freedom and electricity to expose yourself online okay also true all right there you have

02:23:25.880 it nick did you pull this one up or no okay um okay there you have it uh let's see okay we're all

02:23:34.760 caught up on chats i'm gonna start i need to start getting through some of my show notes here because

02:23:38.360 we've lingered quite long on this topic um i don't know if i want to say agree to disagree on this because

02:23:45.320 i mean there's just there is the truth there is fact and the fact is is that generally speaking men are

02:23:53.640 biologically or men are just stronger physically stronger than women did you have something i just

02:23:59.240 wanted to finish have him finish what he was saying about me and my arguments i would like i just would

02:24:04.600 like you know how to improve so in order to try to keep it to less than two minutes yeah so in order

02:24:09.560 i need to just at least some an argument at all we have to first agree with some type of descriptive

02:24:15.880 reality if we can't agree to descriptive reality we can't even have an argument it's so absurd

02:24:22.280 that that we can't agree to the descriptive reality on this topic he's absolutely right just

02:24:29.000 move on as fast as possible because just there's totally unproductive of course men are on average

02:24:36.040 stronger than women that nobody would ever oppose this right i've never heard it in my life ever

02:24:42.360 never not even once this is the first time so congratulations wait last thing on i also i i'm sorry

02:24:48.760 i also just find it fascinating because earlier in the conversation when we were talking about

02:24:53.400 marines you were like i like them no i don't you didn't you didn't say like one okay but somebody

02:24:59.960 made a comment about marines and you're like uh-huh okay in general and there's a reason for that

02:25:04.040 because they're studs i've taught i've been trying to find this website for the past 20 minutes now

02:25:09.160 nick go to boysversewomen.com what is this that sounds very weird this is high school male high

02:25:19.720 school athletes versus physical or versus female olympians go ahead nick um can you scroll it bigger

02:25:27.640 scroll it bigger scroll it bigger scroll it bigger a little bigger please a little bigger please

02:25:35.560 no no stay up top let me read this if boys win against the fastest women is it fair for males to

02:25:43.320 compete in female only athletic events so this is male high school athletes versus female olympians

02:25:49.560 this would be their overall medal count if they were to compete against each other in the olympics

02:25:55.160 that's those are the medals that all the boys would win that's how many medals the women would

02:25:59.160 win scroll down the best female athletes in the world okay so this is track and field 2016 high

02:26:04.520 school boys versus 2016 olympic women's finalists okay so i think this is high school boys in the

02:26:11.400 u.s versus all women in the entire the olympics is the highest level of athletic competition so this is

02:26:18.840 the 100 meters scroll down nick um wait wait so sorry hold on whoa 100 meters wait hold on oh i'm so

02:26:28.440 for the 100 meters the best the fastest boy would be 10 10 seconds in 10.44 seconds the fastest woman

02:26:36.520 would be 10.71 seconds so the the fastest high school boys out compete uh there's eight high school

02:26:44.760 boys that out compete the top uh the top women in the 100 meters same with the 200 meters scroll down nick

02:26:52.360 and it says not wait uh hold on none of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time

02:26:59.240 to enter the boys competition in high school 400 meters scroll down

02:27:06.920 just a little more yeah that's good and then it's going to resort it okay same with the 400 meters same

02:27:12.440 with the 800 meters scroll down this is for track and field and swimming

02:27:22.440 okay so the five the women actually beat the high school boys in the 5 000 meters oh i think there is

02:27:28.440 actually something for long distance running in some competitions women female muscle fibers are edge out

02:27:34.920 men and endurance sometimes yeah yeah yeah um next scroll down something this is the the meter the 400

02:27:42.920 meter relay and then it's going to just resort everything okay all right there you go scroll down

02:27:49.560 long jump triple jump so this is jump distance

02:27:56.040 okay all right high jump pole vault

02:27:59.240 okay the blue keep in mind the blue is men red is women shot put

02:28:12.760 okay let's do swimming scroll down

02:28:14.280 okay

02:28:26.120 next this is the freestyle would you like to are you showing me all of these to make your point well

02:28:32.600 i mean i just across all the various different athletic uh is the point made or is this not

02:28:38.760 convincing 20 minutes is this is this not convincing wait keep going hold on what were you gonna say

02:28:44.280 i believed you 20 minutes ago about all these specific you know sports events and stuff like

02:28:49.240 that meant boys beating women and stuff like that you don't you didn't have to do this i didn't ask for

02:28:55.240 evidence in these specific situations no but you did that you asked for stats i did ask for statistics

02:29:00.280 on strength but then again we bring up what is strength okay give us a definition of strength then that

02:29:08.280 you think we would disagree with

02:29:12.680 i guess the ability to fight or defend would be a good yeah nope we wouldn't disagree we wouldn't

02:29:17.800 disagree that strength would be probably something which would be taken into account for fight or

02:29:22.680 something like this so if you think that we would agree with you generally speaking on what you think

02:29:27.080 strength is i don't think we would disagree do you think we would disagree about what strength is or

02:29:32.200 i think there's just so many different ways to consider it in like ways that we need strength

02:29:37.720 so like we need strength in this way for sports and stuff like that but we need strength in a different

02:29:42.280 way whenever it comes to defense or like defense of a household self-defense situations yeah but with

02:29:47.720 the strength that's required for like playing sports right do you think that's some kind of

02:29:51.800 different type of strength than what's required for self-defense i don't think it's necessarily

02:29:56.040 separate but i would say it is different well okay what's the difference one i i said i'm not a

02:30:02.920 biologist so i don't i can't tell you the physiological differences that it takes to fight

02:30:06.520 someone versus to jump a hurdle but it seems kind of obvious that there would be some sort of

02:30:11.240 difference in the body parts that you would need to beat somebody up versus to jump so in all of

02:30:16.040 those combinations of body parts that all those combination of people have for both sports

02:30:20.600 and for self-defense why in the world would you ever um do anything but assume that men generally

02:30:28.360 speaking are going to do better in all of those situations with all of those body parts just based

02:30:33.160 on observable descriptive reality you said why would i assume or why would i not assume yeah why would

02:30:40.120 you not assume that i mean you have to start with an assumption assuming makes an ass out of you and

02:30:44.680 me oh well then you can't make an argument because an argument starts with an assumption just out

02:30:48.440 of curiosity it does start out of here hold on hold on guys hold on hold on hold on out of

02:30:54.200 curiosity how many women at this table find strength to be an attractive quality in a man

02:31:01.000 done physical strength right physical strength you find that to be an attractive quality in a man

02:31:06.040 okay just checking well but what kind of strength is that is that shoulder strength or is it knee

02:31:12.360 strength or is it shot put strength versus defensive strength what kind of strength do you find

02:31:16.760 attractive in a man the strength to defend me if the situation arises also i like a man strong enough

02:31:23.240 to carry me whenever i'm tipsy or something like that gotcha right she okay let me ask you do you do

02:31:30.600 do you so you you guys all raised your hand saying that you find strength attractive in a man

02:31:36.840 don't you think that's uh a bit oppressive towards weak men to have that preference

02:31:40.760 is that is that the patriarchy that's giving you those preferences like no it's so you guys you

02:31:47.400 guys have you have a preference right yeah oppression just like everyone has a preference i have a

02:31:52.040 preference but i don't like go around telling like talking to everybody about how i hate the other

02:31:57.800 people that i'm not attracted to i'm like oh well they're ugly i'm not going to say someone's ugly you

02:32:02.600 you guys do exactly that yeah do exactly what i'm never gonna be like oh yeah because i don't find

02:32:08.280 you attractive you must be so ugly that no one will ever like you i don't do that that's how people

02:32:13.080 talk to me i've seen clips of you that sucks you do a lot of podcasts so you might not remember i've

02:32:18.360 seen clips of clips of you saying that women are mainly you i think oh it's mainly yeah saying that

02:32:25.000 women uh certain women are ugly you're like i've never just not you're just not that's that's

02:32:30.680 literally fake you're not he does say women aren't i do say women are a lot of women but

02:32:34.680 that doesn't mean women are that doesn't it's it's like it's like insinuating that you know what i

02:32:42.120 think we should do i think we should move on past this i think we should start getting to some of

02:32:45.560 these notes we've talked about the physical strength sure for like an hour but i've never

02:32:51.160 called a woman on this podcast ugly please don't misrepresent or try to like fake news something that

02:32:57.960 i've said be precise with your words yes i have told women who claim to be tens they're not tens

02:33:04.920 okay that doesn't mean i'm calling them ugly i've certainly never called any woman on this podcast

02:33:09.400 ugly either okay okay okay cool glad we established that do you want to start on the notes i think we

02:33:16.360 should get back to we have one chat if it'd make you guys feel better the real mr meatball i respect

02:33:22.520 girl who's arguing here not backing down but you got to concede this one got to be able to listen to

02:33:26.520 facts and change your mind i think i was able to change my mind per se i did end up conceding with

02:33:32.120 you guys that um took about what what did you concede took about an hour there are physiological

02:33:38.200 differences between biological men and biological women but i don't i don't i think that was your

02:33:43.320 position to begin with right her position her position was that she would have to see the data

02:33:48.920 in order to determine whether or not men or women would be stronger that was her original position and

02:33:53.160 right now she's conceding that on average men are stronger than women correct

02:33:57.960 biological men on average are on average that's that's our men stronger than women in most things

02:34:04.760 most being 51 oh my god kill the pride you don't have to double down nobody's going to shave you for it

02:34:09.720 but the truth is there we've been listening to it for an hour

02:34:14.440 saint underscore easy donated 200 men tend to be more psychically powerful women tend to be more

02:34:23.560 socially powerful women in america are not oppressed lol i would i you know at some point during the show

02:34:30.360 i would love to hear more from this side of the panel as well i'm gonna try to get into my notes here but

02:34:35.000 yeah okay not on this subject on average are men more physically strong than women

02:34:43.800 on average based on the population numbers in the population i could say more than likely

02:34:53.000 okay well that's the closest that i'm probably okay moving on all right all right

02:34:57.640 moving on uh okay um here where do it let's see um with azure right uh you okay azure you appear i'm

02:35:10.440 getting into my notes finally here and i'm going to try to get through them as quickly as possible

02:35:14.200 you appear to have a crush on hasan abi is that correct yes and shout if he ever watches this i'm

02:35:21.560 sorry sorry for what for being on here he hates it here why he's a socialist and he he knows the

02:35:30.600 formula of the podcast what's i'm not going to go into you know you understand it's possible that

02:35:38.040 because he's such a low tier low brow debater and has absolutely he's not a debater and he's been

02:35:43.480 very clear that he doesn't he's not a debate lord because he's literally a moron so it doesn't

02:35:48.120 surprise me he can't i completely disagree but well i mean you can bring him in to have a debate then

02:35:53.000 he doesn't say that he's the smartest person he's a he's an internet personality who who is connected

02:35:59.800 to saint kiger a political commentator and he got his job because he had contacts

02:36:03.560 do you watch political commentate yes i'm a political commentator okay well and people watch you

02:36:09.320 yes and there's people who think you're an idiot so yes but you know the difference is is that i

02:36:13.640 debate with those people and beat them and you know what he does he loses sounds like he doesn't

02:36:18.200 debate at all because he's scared he doesn't debate he was going to debate that one dude with the blue

02:36:23.640 hair but that guy is destiny destiny would absolutely annihilate it wouldn't even be close

02:36:30.680 because he's annihilated him before he's good at probing questions that's the only way and what's

02:36:35.160 a probing question what does that mean um when you're asking questions that really have no point

02:36:40.680 what when you're asking questions that really just it's a question that stands that's no there's

02:36:46.920 no answer there's no middle ground rhetorical question okay here i just i don't want to linger

02:36:52.840 too long on this you shot your shot but yes i love shout out my son modest hikima donated 200

02:37:00.120 dollars please move away from brain dead brats brixton would love to hear more from zam number seven

02:37:07.960 only five sentences this episode interested in how you met your husband and how long dating before

02:37:14.360 marriage it's a good question you want to answer that sure um actually so i met my husband on a

02:37:22.760 wednesday the next day we didn't see each other we had a great date we didn't see each other the next day

02:37:27.400 the friday we saw each other we had not spent a night away since um until the night before our

02:37:36.120 marriage so we got engaged four months after we met sweet sweet so you you you would get with hassan

02:37:45.960 abi yes but he never responded to your dms is that what happened did you dm it wasn't a dm okay it was

02:37:53.560 a comment and there's a random article made out of it you have a uh let's see you have a maybe i'll

02:37:59.240 here i'll just finish your your notes here you had a late golf story well what happened there um

02:38:07.400 was it about a dating story okay looks i'll prompt it i was late and he went golfing and said i could

02:38:13.160 go golfing with him and it was freezing cold and i almost hit him with the club on accident and he was

02:38:18.280 mad the entire time yeah how late were you to the date um i think i was about like 15 but i texted

02:38:26.200 okay oh okay that's not too bad um you you one of your notes here you said why is it harder to find a

02:38:31.800 more meaningful relationship do you have any thoughts on that um it's just like on both sides

02:38:40.040 like we live in a modern society so it's just bad on both ends today these days okay regardless of

02:38:48.600 if i had only fans or not like it's just hard it's harder for a lot of people today okay and find

02:38:55.320 meaningful relationships so yeah you also wrote here men i like to separate certain things like i know

02:39:01.080 that you guys are christian and traditionalism so if i talk about i'm not gonna ever talk about your

02:39:06.200 christianity but and disrespect your religion but the traditionalism within that i defer that

02:39:15.000 opinion okay you also wrote here men feel defeated and so do women we're all defeated from what we see

02:39:19.400 on social media what we see in our own families and what we're expected to be i mean do you feel that

02:39:25.400 you've contributed to that by like some of your own social media posts or anything um i mean i feel

02:39:35.000 like you might pull up something but when i make jokes online about um like hating men it's me

02:39:41.560 punching up and i have like an echo chamber on wait you said it's you punching up yeah i think when i

02:39:48.600 make jokes about men it's not serious and it's with a bunch my on the algorithm on tiktok it shows it to

02:39:58.040 other women so wait so you're telling me that dating is difficult in the modern world because

02:40:04.680 of the divisions between the sexes but you're actively contributing to it by hating men online

02:40:09.320 i don't hate men i make jokes oh it's jokes what's the joke what's an example of a joke like i i mean i

02:40:17.640 write down stupid jokes on tiktok like i can't think of a joke right off my name one that's gone

02:40:23.960 viral um like like the fem cell i'm like i i had like a bad experience with a guy and i was like i'm

02:40:32.120 gonna become a fem cell it's not i don't really think it's not to i find your language interesting

02:40:37.640 that you're saying that you're punching up towards men because in your own mind you're putting men above

02:40:42.440 you you're talking you guys have been talking the whole podcast i just think when i'm when i'm

02:40:46.520 making those days stop hold on let me finish my point you guys been talking this whole podcast about

02:40:50.440 how men oppress women but you are choosing to place men above you in your own mind whereas i i actually

02:40:57.480 look at women as of equal value and worth in god's eyes i'm not i don't look down on women i i recognize

02:41:04.840 that there is a hierarchy you know as you mentioned i'm a christian and there is a hierarchy in god's

02:41:09.160 eyes as outlined by the word but i don't look i don't look down on women and see women as less than

02:41:15.480 you know but like you're you're kind of mentally placed like throughout this whole podcast you guys

02:41:19.320 have been talking about all this stuff about like oppression and all these narratives and i would argue

02:41:24.200 that those ideas that you're perpetuating throughout society are actually alienating men that might want

02:41:29.400 to date you guys i feel like i just the words that i'm gonna say are being framed a certain way i don't

02:41:35.400 feel i feel a lot of privilege so like i can't speak for the women who don't have the privilege

02:41:41.480 that i have so i'm not saying that i am oppressed but as a woman yes women to me in society have been

02:41:48.520 oppressed but not necessarily me as an adult like i could there's i don't want to go into the i think

02:41:55.320 we should stop with the oppression stuff that's that's why well you asked i know i know i got you on

02:42:00.520 the punching up thing so you're saying well me making sexist statements about men is justified

02:42:08.600 but the reverse is it would be when men make fun of women or say sexist statements about women

02:42:14.200 that's punching down i'll just say like jokes like if you if you're like i i made a joke where i'm like

02:42:21.480 if you're making online contact online content that's misogynistic chauvinistic whatever and you're not

02:42:29.560 you're talking about all the strength of men whatever building society and you're not doing

02:42:34.760 it yourself it's just i'm i'm like i just make fun of that but not just you like people in general

02:42:42.040 like i'm trying to dig in into the words that you used punching up what do you mean when you say

02:42:47.960 punching up because if a man makes statements about women that are that's sexist that is sexist and

02:42:54.600 joking but if a woman makes statements about men that's not sexist yes it's still sexist but there's

02:43:01.000 not like a huge like there's not gonna be more violence towards men because i made it a stupid

02:43:06.840 joke i'm not gonna like endorse you know hate towards men i think that podcasts like these don't even

02:43:15.720 they don't even encourage the real issues of mental health because i don't believe

02:43:21.080 i'm not sure if you guys believe in mental illness this isn't a mental mental health

02:43:25.080 podcast it's it's under the guise of a dating podcast but it's very political you guys are

02:43:29.800 sure christians you guys are the host you just talked about how politics is inherently a part of

02:43:35.160 dating like of course it's going to be a political show can you refrain like i actually don't talk

02:43:40.760 about when did i mention that politics was because you're saying but one of the problems in the dating

02:43:44.920 world is that like there's a divide between what a lot of men believe and what a lot of women

02:43:48.920 believe and you referenced us and you called us christians which by the way is nice to me brian

02:43:53.160 are you a christian i feel like i'm a man of god oh yes i've started referencing a lot of bible

02:43:57.000 verses throughout the show i said if you were i read a little bit i think we're about to get you

02:44:00.600 i might read a little bit here and there there's some fucking based verses and stuff but uh uh you

02:44:07.640 know to answer your question you were talking about how we're christians and like we subscribe to

02:44:12.280 traditional beliefs and a lot of that overlaps with politics as well and you know you're saying like

02:44:17.880 you guys don't talk about mental health enough you talk about politics it's like yeah it's a

02:44:20.920 dating podcast yeah that's not my purpose yes um here traditional i want to go around i want to go

02:44:25.880 around the table on this so um related to what you said about punching up um can you be sexist against

02:44:33.480 men um can you not hide into the don't hide behind the mic please i had a question before but now i forgot

02:44:41.640 it already can you tell me your question again can you be sexist against men um

02:44:45.960 um yeah and one if depends how you look at the definition of sexist okay what is what is the

02:44:53.960 definition of sexism okay fine here i'll look it up i'll look it up sure sure i'll look it up because

02:45:01.320 i i don't have a dictionary like prejudice stereotyping or discrimination on the basis of sex

02:45:07.080 no you can't be prejudice discriminate or stereotype on the basis of sex against men

02:45:15.800 or you don't i don't okay all right what about you when a man acts a certain way what about you

02:45:20.680 i'm oh wait did she end what so you you can't be sexist against men no you can be sexist oh you can be

02:45:27.400 okay i see i guess yeah with that definition yeah i think you can be sexist but are you saying there's a

02:45:32.200 different i see what you're saying are you're saying that your definition of sexism there's a

02:45:38.200 component of oppression of power right what's the one with racism power dynamic i yes i'm trying i

02:45:46.280 want to get it right but um what is it about systemic racism well no oftentimes you know no they'll say

02:45:54.280 for example do you think you can be racist towards someone who's white

02:45:56.680 it it's exactly like that um comparison it's like i can have prejudices and biases against

02:46:05.080 men just like black people can have prejudices and biases against white people but it's very different

02:46:10.840 because those um prejudices and biases do not have a institutional role into our society so you're

02:46:18.520 talking about institutional racism versus institutional sexism yeah so if we're going to use this as a

02:46:23.960 contrast and use institutional sexism as like a basis here what institutions are sexist

02:46:33.400 um the feelings is a good one the what the mention of men being no no institutions institutions as in

02:46:41.320 like government systems no no yeah any well whatever you want to define as an institution but definitely

02:46:45.880 your feelings are not an institution okay yeah i know that it's not oh is it is it so okay so

02:46:51.400 your definition of sexism would be um prejudice plus power same with racism yes it's not that there

02:47:01.720 has to be someone who has power in the dynamic so prejudice plus power right yes so if there's not

02:47:08.840 power on the other end it's not racist then it's not really racist because there's no power behind it

02:47:15.080 so this would be the distinction using your your guys's definition of sexism can you be sexist against

02:47:21.000 men

02:47:25.320 you just include both of us i'm gonna go around the table go ahead maybe just read it

02:47:29.960 not deep yeah i'm yes i'm re-clarifying the question yeah like do you believe that it's systemic

02:47:34.920 do you believe that in kind of the same thing that is systemic yeah that there are systems which are in

02:47:40.440 place in order to enforce using your definition of sexism do you think it's possible to be sexist against

02:47:46.760 men can you as a woman be sexist oh my god modest hikima donated two hundred dollars this panel of six

02:47:56.840 is interesting interested in why the other four are here are they allowed to speak will you ask them

02:48:03.720 questions you're gonna wait until after show legit disrespectful we're gonna get there we'll get

02:48:10.040 there to i mean to his point i will say we're almost three hours in and have heard very little

02:48:15.240 from these we're gonna try to bring them in go ahead

02:48:18.040 question again sexism and if your definition of set your definition definition of sexism do you

02:48:27.800 think that you can be sexist towards a man can can people be sexist towards men can women be sexist

02:48:33.960 towards men uh yeah okay using your definition of sexism prejudice plus power what i didn't say that

02:48:42.040 was my definition okay you just let me in with her yes wait i'm sorry can no no so you cannot be

02:48:48.840 sexist towards men not with my definition of sexism i see okay um yes i believe you can but it doesn't

02:48:56.200 make the same difference it's not it's not the same it's not societally the same it's not the same so

02:49:01.720 so it's more justified to be sexist towards men is what you're saying i'm not saying it's justified i'm

02:49:06.680 saying it's more that it's not going to make a it's not going to make an actual impact like of

02:49:13.560 course it makes an impact so there i i can't frame it in a short sentence because there are men there's

02:49:20.120 men's issues that need to be addressed but yes it's not going to impact men as much as sexism towards

02:49:26.440 women it's going to impact women it's just not i entirely disavow that but um if you look at

02:49:35.080 most of life's negative consequences they typically fall upon men so i think and i believe there's a lot

02:49:41.480 of men there's a men's issues and i fully believe that that that should be addressed but okay i don't

02:49:48.040 i'm not seeing it ever be addressed and and i can't just like answer for both sides how i want to in a

02:49:54.920 short little black and white like statement so i'm not okay well i disagree with you that that the

02:50:01.000 sexism that manifests against or towards men is somehow not as impactful as the sexism that

02:50:09.560 manifests towards women i'm okay sexism it manifests in many different ways sure so are you afraid to

02:50:17.080 like look back when you're walking down the street well are you afraid are you afraid to do that speaking

02:50:22.840 of that the reality is i know men are men can be let me if you're gonna ask me a question and i start

02:50:28.840 talking you be quiet while i'm answering okay when it comes to actual the threat of physical violence

02:50:34.920 men are more likely to be uh victims of violent crime and as somebody who has been who that's that's

02:50:41.720 victim blaming as somebody who has been physically assaulted who what gender is more likely to assault

02:50:47.400 the men that's victim blaming men are the the i don't say i'm a victim blaming because men are more

02:50:53.960 likely to assault sure all that's towards other men very very very small proportion of men a very

02:51:01.240 small proportion of men in any case the gender of the perpetrator does nothing to diminish the fact

02:51:07.960 that somebody has been victimized i'm not saying you're reframing my words in a way that i do not want

02:51:14.280 to be but you're you're it's a fallacious argument to say to because i've just pointed out well men

02:51:20.040 are more likely to be victims of violent crime and you're saying by other men i'm saying by which

02:51:25.080 gen i sort of i should that does nothing to refute that does nothing to refute my point okay you just

02:51:31.880 saying they if they happen to be xyz it does nothing to refute the point that men are more likely to be

02:51:37.800 victims of violent crime i don't believe men are more likely to be victims of violent crime but i do believe it

02:51:43.720 they are i do it but it's by other men show it it's by other men well that's irrelevant because

02:51:48.680 that's victim blaming how is that victim blaming because the the gender of the perpetrator doesn't

02:51:54.040 diminish the the fact that somebody has just been victimized i didn't say diminished it i'm saying but

02:51:59.720 what men you know what you are you're you're not there's not twisting anything you're saying that i'm

02:52:07.080 victim blaming because i i said that men are more are the ones that are perpetrating the violence towards

02:52:13.400 other men like they're in there there are women there are cases of there's of course women but like

02:52:19.720 women hold on let me take a breath because there are women who are perpetrators as well but you're

02:52:27.800 saying it's more likely that men are going to be a victim of violence the two can be and you and you

02:52:35.320 also are you also have said in the past on this podcast that men are the are like a more aggressive

02:52:41.720 testosterone so it's men yes you did well i'm i'm sorry i can't correlate it just you don't need

02:52:48.280 to be meta just say your point but that's my point i'm just saying that a very what i would point out

02:52:55.560 it's a very very small proportion of men who are violently inclined the point i was contending was you

02:53:03.800 said that oh brian are you ever scared of having to look over your shoulder and i pointed out that actually

02:53:10.120 the reality is despite the fact that women might feel more vulnerable or might feel less safe doesn't

02:53:15.960 actually mean that the actual feeling yo you need to stop fucking interrupting please let me finish my

02:53:20.360 point okay you know no you just let me finish my no but you've been interrupting it's a conversation

02:53:27.400 yeah but let me finish my points i let you speak okay stop interrupting please just because you might

02:53:32.920 feel more unsafe doesn't mean that in actuality you actually are more more unsafe than men are

02:53:42.040 you guys literally went on a tangent for almost an hour about how much stronger men are compared to

02:53:47.480 women so i'm not understanding why you're saying that women could like are not meant to be afraid of

02:53:55.960 other of being perpetrated by a male i are being afraid to walk i didn't say that you didn't say

02:54:02.920 that but you implied it i did not imply it either but what i'm saying is is the reality is and if you

02:54:08.760 look at crime statistics men are more likely to be victims of violent crime and you sat there saying

02:54:13.320 by which gender by male but that's by other men by other men but what he's saying is that that's a

02:54:20.040 non-sequitur so if so it doesn't matter that that's a thing he didn't say it doesn't matter it's a

02:54:25.720 non-sequitur which means it doesn't follow that that matters so why does it follow that it matters

02:54:31.160 that that's true because i was saying that women are scared like women are just scared of different

02:54:39.320 like small things that men will not think about are not going to have in the back of their minds

02:54:45.560 as somebody who's been physically assaulted yes i am very aware of like if i go outside that i could

02:54:50.920 be physically assaulted it's completely that's not just a woman thing women will frequently argue you

02:54:56.840 don't have to be worried about going out at night and getting jumped actually yes men do are you saying

02:55:02.200 that you're weak oh my gosh i think we should so that we should move on this is what do you mean we

02:55:07.880 if three men want to mug me she's this is here first off we're way past the scope of the subject of the

02:55:13.800 podcast you guys could go back and forth about this for another hour i could just leave no i don't

02:55:19.640 have to leave you don't have to leave what i do want to do though is you're saying i'm interrupting

02:55:25.720 and i'm just like trying to bounce off you are interrupting i i also i also think to be quite frank

02:55:30.440 i think that this is bad content and also like oh it's these yes this argument is just not it's not

02:55:37.000 it's not a good argument and it's beyond the scope because it doesn't make me look stupid i'm not

02:55:40.760 saying it's no i'm not saying it's because it doesn't make you look stupid hold on just hang

02:55:44.680 tight for one sec like i need to take a i want you to just hang tight for one sec we'll slow down a

02:55:50.040 little bit okay we were mentioning and then i'm damn uh uh content and a 500 donation i'm not getting

02:56:01.960 paid i could just just hang tight for a second um okay well i'll come back to that here let me see here

02:56:10.360 we have uh did you want to ask the other girls at the table yeah i have i have some which question

02:56:15.400 uh what was it it was are you a victim of sexism or no can women be sexist okay go ahead um i believe

02:56:23.400 that anyone holds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon okay can women be sexist towards

02:56:30.520 men yes because i expect there are things that roles made solely for men and there are things i expect

02:56:35.560 from a man solely because he's a man so yes okay is that would you call that sexist yeah is it okay

02:56:41.800 though i am sexist yeah yeah i expect men to do certain things because they're a man that's okay

02:56:45.480 i think that's i think that's reasonable yeah okay yeah yes i think that we can be sexist towards men

02:56:52.120 i also think that the term is used way too loosely these days and i also think that stereotypes are true

02:56:57.640 that's why they're stereotypes real oh yeah of course of course they can and then i'm not gonna

02:57:06.200 linger on this one it's related to that question can you be racist towards white people

02:57:13.800 i personally don't agree so but that's mostly because like

02:57:17.720 don't agree with what i that like a white person can be into the mic please

02:57:22.680 a white person can be racist someone can be racist to a white person i don't really you don't

02:57:30.200 think i mean maybe they can but anything somebody has ever said to me about me being white i don't

02:57:36.200 don't care okay it doesn't mean anything no someone cannot be racist towards a white person

02:57:42.440 okay can you answer the question just answer the question please um just absolutely the

02:57:55.240 the yeah down okay oh sorry that was made in my bed um you know like as i stated before i feel like

02:58:03.640 everyone holds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon um we don't need to linger too

02:58:10.440 long go ahead well yes no it's yes okay yes yes yep yes absolutely this is crazy this is this is

02:58:19.160 taking so long okay i'm sorry not not to be rude but i can't believe that they have to think about it

02:58:26.120 yes you can be racist towards white people it's happening in our country right now yes it is okay

02:58:31.400 maybe if we have time we can come back to that later on but um okay let me see my notes here we have um

02:58:37.960 um let's see let's bring in savannah here the savannah you said you're a bikini barista in washington

02:58:45.240 state but i'm also very conservative politically and christian and you consider yourself traditional

02:58:50.680 yep okay you said there's a story of a married man um what's what's that story there um so this guy would

02:58:59.400 wait how does that pertain to me being a bikini barista though well no i was just go ahead okay

02:59:07.160 anyway um so one time i started going out with this guy and i didn't know he was married he told me that

02:59:14.600 he lied and said that he wasn't married um and then like a couple months into dating it still it wasn't

02:59:21.320 like serious like i hadn't slept with him or anything like that um his wife messaged me on

02:59:27.320 instagram and was like how do you know so and so and i was like why are you asking and yeah so eventually

02:59:36.760 she showed me their marriage certificate and so we met up at a starbucks and i showed her all the text

02:59:43.880 messages and told her everything that happened and yeah he just got caught up okay

02:59:51.320 yeah you said it was uh you've only had one serious boyfriend two situationships those are

02:59:57.240 the only guys that you've ever hooked up with um did you mention that the there was the age gap too

03:00:02.680 right yeah he was he i think he's 43 and i'm 26 okay but when you met i think you said he was 38 you

03:00:10.440 were 22 yeah something around there okay did you mention the thing about the wife contacting you yeah so

03:00:16.120 eventually the wife contacted me and then i gave her all the info blah blah but turns out that they

03:00:22.440 were actually separated by the time that she had contacted me so she had lied and said that they were

03:00:27.000 still married it's kind of messy sure and a couple notes from you here you said that body count for

03:00:33.240 women matters it affects their ability to pair bond properly casual dating sex is ruining the world and

03:00:38.920 causing things like lack of commitment unwanted pregnancies abortion which you say should be illegal and

03:00:44.600 taking the sacredness out of sex in itself and also that feminism is evil and ruining the world

03:00:50.680 do you care to expand on your view of feminism at all or um i think that modern day feminism is toxic

03:00:57.320 i think that it encourages women to be uh what they shouldn't be i think that it encourages them to give

03:01:03.960 away sex and without any commitment and i think that that in return encourages men to not ever give commitment

03:01:09.960 right sure because you know if there's there's no point in getting married and doing all of the

03:01:15.800 things if women are not going to hold themself up to a higher standard and be worthy of marrying why do

03:01:21.720 you think feminism encourages women to give away sex without any commitment because they think that

03:01:26.280 it's empowering but it's not what's empowering is denying and telling men no facts yeah what about uh

03:01:34.440 the other waves of feminism like first wave first wave uh like mary wolstencraft and all them i think

03:01:40.040 were amazing in fact they were pro-life really yeah i wrote an essay about it yeah so you so you think

03:01:47.480 that the original feminism then or what you consider first wave feminism was good oh absolutely yeah to

03:01:53.400 some degree yeah i was the first wave of feminism what was the there's a couple different waves of

03:01:57.800 feminism yeah what was the first wave it was just like you know basic equality when like half the women

03:02:03.800 were allowed to vote no women weren't allowed to vote yet i think it was like what the early 1900s

03:02:10.040 yeah yeah where suffragettes came out but but that aside let's move back i just want it just curious

03:02:14.920 on first wave feminism is a grounding foundation why would you say that that was good um i think because

03:02:21.080 it established us as human beings worthy of having some rights like voting so you think that voting

03:02:28.760 rights were good absolutely yeah but why how come women don't want them women don't want

03:02:33.480 voting how come they didn't want them um i couldn't tell you yeah almost no almost no women

03:02:39.160 wanted to vote and i wasn't aware that they didn't want that i certainly want voting rights why because

03:02:44.040 i have an opinion and i'm a human being yeah so well let me ask you this women get the right to vote

03:02:50.440 because you want to expand rights sure how come women when they vote though usually vote for more

03:02:56.440 security in the state rather than voting to expand rights so it's been my experience that usually

03:03:01.880 nobody wants to vote themselves a right to do a good thing they always want to vote themselves

03:03:06.840 a right for some form of degeneracy i've never actually seen someone say i want to be more free for

03:03:12.440 more responsibility i want to be more free so that i have um more duty in society well then you

03:03:19.480 haven't met me because that's yeah yeah so what would you so what do you want to vote for what do you

03:03:23.720 want the vote for exactly what to what do you think why do you want to vote what do you well

03:03:29.720 for me i'm a patriarchist right so from you don't think from the grounding from the grounding foundation

03:03:34.760 you say you're a christian sure right okay so do you think in society as a christian in a christian

03:03:40.760 society why do you think that your founders didn't give women the right to vote i never said anything

03:03:44.840 about a christian society yeah yeah but why do you think the founders didn't give women the right to

03:03:48.040 vote i don't know and i don't care you know you don't care no i don't probably because they were

03:03:53.480 probably because they were based in religion right but i don't believe i believe in separation of

03:03:57.640 church church right so you're standing more and more like a progressive and not a conservative to me

03:04:02.280 oh that's so if we move it so we move into first wave feminism so now you don't want you want a

03:04:06.440 separation between church and state as well where does it say can you tell me other than like some basic

03:04:12.360 i don't like abortion what do you actually disagree with progressive women on uh a lot of things like

03:04:19.400 like i believe that like what what do you mean like feminism just give me anything besides just

03:04:25.720 i don't like abortion right so what i i've noticed this trend are you trying to ask me if i

03:04:31.480 i've noticed this trend of women who are always like look i'm a trad girl right who patriarchy's based

03:04:38.680 haha right i hear this all the time the question though for me always becomes this delineation

03:04:44.760 when they're like third and fourth wave feminism has gone too far okay what about first wave feminism

03:04:50.040 oh well all the delineation which led to third and fourth wave feminism i love all that just not what

03:04:55.160 it turned into to clarify i'm a libertarian leaning conservative nick you can unmute libertarian leaning so

03:05:02.040 funny yeah yeah what what are libertarians trying to conserve what do you mean what are they trying to

03:05:07.480 conserve so you're a conservative because you don't believe in well what is what do you think

03:05:11.640 conservative means conservatism is rooted in preserving the traditions sure and you can

03:05:17.560 believe in hold on hold on for a second conservatism is rooted in preserving the traditions and ideals

03:05:23.480 that this nation was founded upon which were almost entirely christian and libertarianism is

03:05:27.960 oftentimes sure but there's also a reason why they didn't so it's kind of a contradiction of terms no

03:05:32.520 it's not because you can still have those values and not have them based 100 saying that it's because

03:05:38.520 the bible said this it says nowhere in the constitution because the bible said well then

03:05:42.280 what are you making a foundation of well you can still believe in those values no for conservation you

03:05:47.560 can still 100 to to be fair i am a christian right i believe in christianity but when it comes to my

03:05:53.320 political views i don't vote based off of only my christianity and i also don't believe that we should

03:05:59.400 enforce those go ahead savannah um so basically what into the mic please is um people that serve

03:06:07.080 roughly 50 of the population should have a say and let's not linger too long on on this topic please

03:06:14.440 but yes and why is that well because i think i've seen the small question after because the entirety of

03:06:22.680 women's voting inside of the united states has been a complete unmitigated disaster unmitigated

03:06:28.840 disaster which has led us to progressive policies societal decay a society which cannot reproduce

03:06:34.040 itself literally can't even reproduce itself it's true it's led to every form of social degeneracy you

03:06:39.400 currently see inside of society has been due 100 to women voting let me give you the counter i'm not

03:06:44.920 sure it was just men i may have to yeah i don't i haven't made my decision on the whole 19th amendment

03:06:52.920 well if you want me to expand tonight i'll expand if it was just men if it was just men who were voting

03:06:59.400 i'm not sure i can co-sign with it men who were voting for instance there would not be lgbtq marriage

03:07:04.680 which was allowed for that's that's right off the game here let's um here do you do i do want to ask you

03:07:10.280 a question to do you also believe black people shouldn't have had the right to vote too no well

03:07:15.400 when you're talking about voting i don't believe in suffrage at all i don't think voting is good

03:07:19.000 i don't believe that rights are true what do you think should vote what's your ideal political system

03:07:23.480 i would say minarchy would be better than anything at least right now but when you're talking about

03:07:27.560 rights you need to understand that there's no such thing as rights it's made up where you can't

03:07:32.360 taste it can't touch it can't smell it you can't see it point to a right they don't exist

03:07:37.160 it absent your mind these are social constructions which we make up which have the application of

03:07:41.560 force so there are no rights that's all made up nonsense that people have been kind of force-fed

03:07:47.320 into into believing but first wave feminism starts with this kind of preset or presupposition that

03:07:53.240 there are some and there aren't any here let's not linger too long but if you guys can make

03:08:00.200 15 second points go ahead i think that was a no no no hold on she goes first than you go ahead

03:08:05.080 um i was just gonna ask you something you're a bikini barista right yes and a hardcore conservative

03:08:12.360 i don't or some like you're on i'm not hardcore you're leaning right yeah so and you don't like

03:08:18.040 sex work no so why do you think and you're a christian so how are you a christian and against

03:08:25.640 sex work but yet you're in a bikini all day serving food and getting tips you don't think that you don't

03:08:31.800 think that christians can go to the beach in a bikini you don't think that yeah but that's still

03:08:35.960 like sex that's like how a lot of sex workers do like bikini barista uh yeah you're not practicing

03:08:42.680 you're not you're not like you're not practicing modesty or anything that's in the bible what's your

03:08:49.800 definition of modesty not being in a not not being in a big so you want to let your wife at the beach

03:08:54.040 in a bikini i'm not saying that i wouldn't let my wife go to the beach in a bikini you make extra

03:08:57.320 tips i wouldn't want i would want her working just in a bikini not you don't want the what's going

03:09:01.880 with you make extra tips for being in the bikini and so just a show shaming sex workers like you're

03:09:07.160 basically a stripper so i don't understand why yeah because i touch people and i dance on people

03:09:11.960 for money do you have a problem just like did you have a man did you have a man that like cheated on

03:09:16.680 you with no in fact i had a really good father that raised me to have morals me too and he's watching and

03:09:22.760 he's very proud of me for my accomplishments so thank you very much in your notes to us you said

03:09:29.080 most people don't date or did you have something really quick it's not quick you already know can

03:09:34.680 you just give us a 20 second blurb what is it i wanted to say that i actually really appreciated

03:09:39.560 his argument against you know the concept of rights like it was a really good thought-provoking

03:09:45.720 way to put things that rights don't actually exist i would like to say for consideration

03:09:53.720 rights were taken away that is why the concept we can't take away something that doesn't exist okay

03:09:58.040 interruption interrupting oh sorry go rights were taken away the concept that we have of rights was

03:10:05.720 taken away from black people and other groups which we would consider minorities that is why the concept

03:10:10.760 has to exist just to verbalize what was taken away from minority groups okay so for you you said in

03:10:18.280 your pre-show notes to us most people don't date for marriage anymore it's extremely hard to find a

03:10:22.280 traditional wife husband who wants to raise their children under biblical values yeah um now i i guess my

03:10:28.920 question for you is how do you reconcile that statement with the fact that you you are a bikini

03:10:34.760 excuse me bikini barista and don't appear all that traditional in your social media presence and

03:10:42.840 that's why i wanted to if we can pull up instagram just well it depends on what you mean by traditional

03:10:47.960 traditional to me means submitting to your husband traditional to me means being a good christian

03:10:51.720 it means being how can you find one but what about modesty what do you mean i am modest in the

03:10:57.000 current currently but like while you're my my actions i am a very very modest person sex work is not

03:11:03.960 modest i'm not she's not she's not a sex worker but but look i'm definitely i would never touch

03:11:09.720 someone for money i would never do anything gross like that for money i'm good what was your name

03:11:14.520 again savannah savannah to brian's point look you're a beautiful woman you're intelligent i think

03:11:19.880 you're well-spoken thank you you're welcome to brian's point i haven't seen your social media

03:11:24.520 it sounds like there's probably is there an abundance of bikini pics here we'll pull it up just

03:11:28.360 for okay i'm proud of my body like there's nothing the thing is is that everybody associates

03:11:34.840 nudity to sexuality and to me lord it's not the same we must stay focused brothers and if you're

03:11:40.280 lusting over me that is your that is that i can this i completely disagree with hold on one second

03:11:46.280 okay so uh brian what was her statement about finding it difficult to find most people don't date

03:11:51.400 for marriage anymore it's extremely hard to find a traditional wife husband who wants to raise

03:11:55.480 their children under biblical values okay so so how do you write i'm saying this i'm saying this

03:12:01.480 with all due respect i i genuinely respect you thank you as a traditional christian man who wants

03:12:09.240 a traditional christian wife to be quite frank if i saw your instagram page immediately i would be i would

03:12:18.040 write you off as a non-traditional non-christian woman i would assume that you weren't christian

03:12:24.040 when i see a woman's instagram page and i see bikini pictures all over the place showing off the booty

03:12:28.920 all that kind of stuff i'm like yo this is the exact opposite of modesty and i'm not interested in

03:12:34.040 that and i would argue that you are probably making it much more difficult on yourself to find the kind

03:12:39.320 of man that your heart longs for by living this kind of lifestyle where you're posting these images of

03:12:43.560 yourself because i know a lot of traditional christian dudes a lot of them across the board they want

03:12:50.920 modesty in women and they would not classify that instagram page as modest sure that's fine i'm not

03:12:56.440 really looking for a husband though i was just stating that it is hard part of the reason why it's

03:13:02.040 hard is because i think you would be i think you're making it harder on yourself with the job that you

03:13:09.000 work and also with your instagram presence okay sure that's valid and isn't it using sexualization to get

03:13:14.360 money no i'm not doing anything sexual at all you literally are in a bikini with your ass out

03:13:19.560 getting tips i know how it works well i just yeah like okay are you not get tips just like can you

03:13:26.120 not be a bikini and being a bikini and be a christian like what the fuck it's azure right

03:13:31.560 but i give you it is look it is not modesty you want this well it depends on your definition

03:13:36.120 okay so so so my definition in europe it's my definition right like you go out onto a beach you're

03:13:41.960 naked savannah sounds like it hold on hold on hold on hold on that's not when you're getting

03:13:46.440 hold on savannah you're saying i'm getting tipped to make ladies please please with your ass out

03:13:50.840 please please stop shame sex workers that's not sex work holy shit it's very it's not i'm not

03:13:58.200 touching anyone for money you're lusting after me i'm not doing shit you you savannah are eliciting

03:14:04.360 lust for men by dressing this way well that's the same thing no it's that's like that's like putting

03:14:09.960 your breasts in a man's face and being like why are you looking at them no it's not yes i would

03:14:14.280 never do that you're flaunt you're you literally do it for a living you flaunt your body hang on

03:14:19.400 let me ask this let me ask this what's the distinction when you say they're lusting after

03:14:23.400 me couldn't the stripper make the same argument yeah except for a stripper's touching and doing

03:14:31.400 the stripper never touched him let's say the stripper never touched him ever never touched any of

03:14:37.160 the johns just showed up and shook her ass that's all she did sure i don't do that yeah but let's

03:14:41.720 say that's all she did okay she's not touching anybody now sure she's using her sexualization

03:14:47.160 to make money wouldn't just like you are right no what's the distinction then the difference is is

03:14:52.680 that you're dancing and you're shaking your ass and you're doing that to elicit a feeling to get

03:14:56.440 money right and what is the bikini for so the bikini no it seems like you're trying to like

03:15:01.640 justify the reason one sec one sec one sec one sec i am a christian but i think women should be head

03:15:08.120 of household i am all for women with stake in the game but the sword penetrates the chalice

03:15:14.040 not the other way around we see reality real real yo thank you bowman appreciate it

03:15:20.760 look this whole idea that like it's on men to control their lust yes okay i agree men have the

03:15:25.640 responsibility to control their lust but women also have a responsibility to not elicit that lust for

03:15:30.840 men by what i'm wearing by you choosing specific yes by what i am wearing savannah come on if there's

03:15:37.000 two women and one is so am i eliciting that please let me speak please let me speak i apologize if

03:15:41.800 there's two thank you if there's two women and one of them is wearing a modest dress and the other

03:15:47.240 woman is wearing a bikini that shows off her breasts and her butt obviously men are going to lust

03:15:53.400 they're more likely to lust after the woman that's in a bikini with all of her curves showing she is

03:15:57.720 making a choice to wear something that shows off her body she is going to elicit lust do you do you

03:16:03.720 concede that i agree but that is also not my responsibility to be responsible let me ask you

03:16:08.600 that's fine it's you you can say it's not your responsibility but just don't call yourself

03:16:11.960 traditional or modest well let me let me ask this a different you're not that's fair

03:16:16.440 inside of your capacity is a bikini barista can you name a single virtue of being a bikini barista what is

03:16:24.680 a single virtue what what about it is in any way virtuous i don't i'm not going to answer that like

03:16:32.200 i don't know what you're trying to get out of that question okay so if it's not a job that i enjoy

03:16:38.440 doing it's not like it's my dream job do you aspire do you aspire to be do you aspire to be the proverbs

03:16:44.200 31 wife uh i don't know well you agree that i may not get married just to follow up on this you

03:16:49.640 agree that christians need to be virtuous right sure yeah absolutely what are the virtues of being

03:16:53.800 a bikini barista i never said that there was virtues yeah but but when you're but when you're asked

03:16:59.320 specifically to say hey listen uh it's not my problem that these guys over here all they all

03:17:06.840 want to put their hands all over me they can't but they want to and that's why i make extra money

03:17:10.840 i mean that happens over there they're doing something wrong that's insane no that's fine but

03:17:15.880 even that's a hypocrisy and there's no virtue there's no virtue yeah we can agree to disagree

03:17:20.920 on that but men want to do the same there's no way i have clothes on too i could be wearing a potato

03:17:25.080 sack and men would still want to do that sure yeah absolutely because men have sex drives but if

03:17:29.560 you're wearing a bikini it is going it is going to stimulate a man's that straight then that's just

03:17:35.480 like savannah savannah should i wear a hijab then no you don't have to wear like i'd prefer a burka

03:17:41.320 to be honest you don't have to but savannah just like it's a man's job it's a man's responsibility

03:17:46.520 to control his lust it's also a woman's responsibility if she calls herself a traditional

03:17:51.640 modest christian do not inspire dollars abortion is a necessary evil should be strictly regulated

03:17:59.160 god-given rights made up andrew w brixton pls stop showing these girls half naked pics i don't

03:18:06.680 have insta for reason only three hundred and fours okay chase w thank you quick question if you start

03:18:14.520 dating a guy your boyfriend or your husband if he requested you take down those photos would you

03:18:19.240 oblige him absolutely okay all right do you think it might improve your if you were interested in

03:18:25.480 dating do you think it might improve your dating prospects in the traditional christian male pool to

03:18:30.040 remove those photos yeah it probably would but the thing is is that i'm not dating right now i'm not

03:18:35.160 interested in dating right now okay well i'm just i'm just what i'm curious about still if you just

03:18:40.360 don't mind one last follow-up and then i'm going to bring selena finally my big curiosity here still

03:18:46.200 is i'm caught up on this idea that you have no responsibility i have no responsibility

03:18:52.040 it's their responsibility i mean muslims would say let him let him let him finish his point

03:18:56.120 nationality made two hundred dollars aziz only w all night she's right you are basically a stripper

03:19:04.360 just like in states that don't allow female strippers to strip nude yeah no difference you

03:19:10.680 just want to feel different from the of girls whatever you say yeah well in this case this super

03:19:16.120 chatter hits a nail on the head and what the super chatter is saying is the same thing i'm going to tell

03:19:19.320 you or ask you which is why couldn't anybody engage in sex donated two hundred dollars yeah

03:19:29.400 thank you good one brian i leave you alone for a few minutes and wow to savannah would you make the

03:19:35.160 same tips if you were in a modest dress right well this gets to the heart of it real quick so all of

03:19:41.640 the women who are involved in any kind of sex work you realize can use the same exact argument you just

03:19:46.840 did which is to say the responsibility is 100 on the john if he wasn't coming to have sex with us

03:19:53.400 then i wouldn't even be a prostitute would i if the john wasn't coming in to watch me strip

03:19:59.320 i wouldn't even be able to action you're doing a sexual action so are you no i'm not what am i

03:20:05.320 doing you're making coffee in a bikini that's not inherently sexual yes it is no it's not why

03:20:11.160 you get paper dollar tips like every other stripper why why would why would a woman walk

03:20:16.760 into her bedroom on her wedding night in lingerie for her husband because that lingerie is inherently

03:20:22.120 sexual they're very different in the sense that there's lace on it and it's different materials

03:20:26.200 but you're showing off the curves of your body to stimulate your man's sex might as well just go to

03:20:30.680 the beach so you want the coffee the men who are buying coffee are tipping you in dollars

03:20:35.240 last thing because this will make your point too they're coming to get coffee because you're in a

03:20:39.320 bikini they could go to a better coffee shop and that's their issue but i'm honestly say that you

03:20:43.960 know exactly why you're you'd work that job to make more money it's the same reason you're posting

03:20:49.080 bikini photos on your instagram to solicit can you honestly say that your employer was like

03:20:53.880 i want you to wear a bikini because it's really hot in here i don't give a

03:20:58.200 is that what your employer was like i want you to wear a bikini because it gets up to

03:21:03.320 like 90 and i'd really just i want you to be cool while you're working why do you think your

03:21:08.280 employer wants you to wear a bikini while you're serving their responsibility if they come through

03:21:12.520 because yeah but why do you think or they want to look at my ass if you want if you want a husband

03:21:17.880 one day and you're a christian work at starbucks no i'm good they support abortion okay wait well

03:21:23.240 find another uh hometown and you support sex work so no i don't that's literally not sex yeah it's

03:21:29.480 literally literally not sex work it's literally it's still soliciting your body just like a sex

03:21:35.640 worker and you get not i'm not doing anything sexual whatsoever and then they hand you except

03:21:41.000 the sex work after you it's literally not sex wait nick what's going on i think she's dipping bro

03:21:46.120 wait no it's this are you leaving oh okay i thought she was leaving i had more quiet i was

03:21:54.200 about to get okay um here let me do a chat here we have i are grunt this brunette girl needs to stop

03:22:00.120 talking and call her father who is watching she is so our slurred he may be considering deleting wow

03:22:06.920 okay left side needs more attention other women listen okay thank you i are do you have anything to

03:22:12.760 say to grunt here no they should yeah i'm yeah they should be able to speak thank you uh what was

03:22:19.720 their username thank you for that i was hoping you to draw address the accusations of being our slurred

03:22:27.160 that's what i was hoping you wouldn't i might be i might be too we have a long comment okay just

03:22:32.280 kidding i definitely am they could be called i think maybe this whole table yeah selena selena speaking of

03:22:41.160 instagram profiles you were in the military correct we have our instagram we have some some photos of

03:22:45.560 you when you're in the military um nick if you're able to pull that up it should be i think the last

03:22:51.640 tab the selena's instagram should be already scroll down you got it her instagram tab get ready to see a

03:23:00.040 girl boss i love her it's like the last it should be the very last tab are you i love i know i love an

03:23:07.480 memory girl all right so okay you got all right oh wait scroll up a little bit scroll up what's the

03:23:17.480 click on the the the military yeah that one which one's you you don't know which one's me oh you're

03:23:24.200 you're wearing a hat and you're looking down the third yeah that's me in the the third yes okay all

03:23:30.840 right that's the day i graduated all right nice okay what branch of the um what branch of the

03:23:36.360 military were you in it was the marine corps marine corps were you dating at all while you were in the

03:23:40.600 military um so i didn't finish my contract i'm i have make two talks about that so i'm pretty honest

03:23:45.560 about that you were dishonorably no no i was i have an honorable i just didn't finish my contract i

03:23:50.520 get vet benefits and i'm i have an honorable so i didn't do anything like super like fucked up

03:23:55.160 i see um i did were you deployed no okay i was stationed in camp lejeune okay oh were you reserves

03:24:02.440 or wait uh officer or enlisted i was going active duty huh were you enlisted or officer enlisted okay

03:24:08.280 um and you said you were in the marine corps were you dating at all while in the military um

03:24:14.040 no i tried but it just didn't work out a wm really what a wm who didn't date

03:24:20.920 okay wait what's a wm woman marine oh okay okay like i i hooked up and stuff you know oh that's

03:24:28.280 what i meant oh okay yeah yeah when i was younger i did hook up a lot um it's not what i like to do

03:24:33.960 now what do you mean a lot when you say a lot okay you know he probably knows that if he brought it up

03:24:38.920 like you know joining the marine corps and getting there i got a lot of attention yeah w wms have a

03:24:45.000 reputation okay it's not like that okay but they do right you're right you're not wrong i agree yeah

03:24:50.760 they have wms have a reputation for spending more time on their back than they do running in the field

03:24:55.960 that's that's he's not wrong yeah he's not wrong isn't it the case that women in the military get a

03:25:02.200 lot of quite a bit of attention yeah from yeah it is it's just that wms have a worse reputation than

03:25:10.040 that too what's that i don't know why but they do is it true i don't disagree it's a stigma yes

03:25:20.280 but you said you were doing a lot of hooking up what does that mean i did um so i graduated i got

03:25:24.840 there when i was like 21 i joined late and um so like all of high school i was a virgin i didn't date

03:25:30.600 or drink alcohol or nothing so i never really like experienced any of that until i joined the military so

03:25:35.560 it was something i experimented in okay but more so with the hooking up it was more so like

03:25:40.680 i got played a lot when i was younger and i felt the need to have sex to keep a man at the time

03:25:46.360 because i was young and dumb so like it was some people when they invent they do hook up cultures

03:25:51.240 because they're enjoying it i personally didn't enjoy it made me feel very empty and i just did it

03:25:55.320 because i was lonely and it's to fill a void and it sounds kind of stupid but i was like years ago okay

03:26:01.080 and you said you spent a year and a half dancing dancing in a marine town yep i now dance in a

03:26:06.520 college older businessman town but still reside in a military town so a lot of experience with marines

03:26:11.560 navy um were you dancing while you were in the marines no it's technically not a thing you can't do

03:26:17.240 that okay well so you weren't doing it in any case um and you said you wanted to talk about dating

03:26:21.720 as an exotic dancer yeah um well i just had two questions on that and if you want to expand more

03:26:27.480 broadly on just dating as a dancer was someone else here a dancer are you do anybody else done

03:26:32.040 any other you dance together anybody else dance either anybody okay well we just have different

03:26:35.960 views would either of you guys date a customer i mean

03:26:43.400 uh so i get i get a lot of customers that come in that do try to date me but it's hard to wear it

03:26:50.440 weed them out but i've also met some very genuine men through there and it sucks that you meet them at

03:26:55.240 the club but you know it's just like meeting a guy anywhere but is it so it's an immediate

03:27:00.440 disqualifier if you meet the guy at the club it's it depends i wouldn't technically like you're not

03:27:05.720 supposed to but i prefer to be honest to you guys sure um i wouldn't be opposed if i found the right

03:27:13.320 gentleman you know like i don't want to meet them there just depends on how he is there like if he's

03:27:17.000 coming in there being super like sexual and disgusting and wanting favors from me no but you know

03:27:21.400 if you're just a normal human being whatever you should come in with your friends just there to

03:27:25.400 chill but like i personally wouldn't want a man that goes to the club it is a big red flag that

03:27:30.360 they're coming into the club in the first place because you know we see the type of men that are

03:27:33.640 wanting to go into the strip club right so we know what type of guy that they are and usually it's

03:27:39.480 just a red flag but like she said if they're genuine and like kind and like they don't go into

03:27:45.000 the strip club often then yeah it would probably be sure so then if it's a red flag to for a for a

03:27:53.080 customer to go into a strip club to just be a customer at the strip club then is it similarly

03:27:58.680 a red flag for like say the more the civilian population to be a stripper is that a red flag

03:28:05.320 it's a little bit different so the men are going into the strip club to consume

03:28:09.000 a sexual fantasy right okay we are providing the sexual fantasy for money so we are not actually

03:28:15.800 we are participate participating in the sexual fantasy kind of on a third party uh basis we are

03:28:22.520 not you know consume hmm go ahead don't worry it's just the soundboard yeah go ahead she's upset by

03:28:31.560 that one okay i'm not upset um is it a red flag that a person's willing to date a stripper at all

03:28:38.840 is that is that a red flag like a like just be in a relationship yeah not necessarily because

03:28:44.760 we're people you don't think that's a red flag for it for a guy like if if if you were if you were to

03:28:49.960 have a daughter for instance would you ever make a recommendation your daughter you should you should

03:28:56.280 ever date a person who would date a stripper you know what i mean like that would be wouldn't that

03:29:02.040 be a big red flag for anybody to say you probably shouldn't date a stripper it depends like do you want to

03:29:08.120 date a stripper just because she's sexually versed well like the kind of person who would date a

03:29:12.840 stripper do you think that those are usually high quality people like just if he if he had to guess

03:29:19.720 but is and to add to that in the same way that you said it the fact that these men are going into the

03:29:25.880 strip club in terms of dating them you you you view them simply by virtue of consuming whatever you

03:29:32.840 view that as a red flag if they're a customer it's a red flag would you object to men saying that it

03:29:39.160 just by virtue of you guys being strippers that's a red flag yo ab check thank you for the gifted 50

03:29:44.680 memberships i would object to it i think it's relatively valid because sex can be viewed you

03:29:49.880 know sex and sexual interactions are valued differently between different people um so if that man were to

03:29:56.600 come into a talking stage or whatever and say i value sex you know in this way very uh i value sex

03:30:05.560 sacredly if the man were to say that right and to not want a relationship with a stripper because she

03:30:11.080 is a sex worker i think that would be valid um but it's not i don't think it's the same as women so you're

03:30:21.240 saying that it's okay for strippers to view the customers as red flags you wouldn't be willing to

03:30:28.360 date a customer generally speaking but if men view strippers as red flags that's not acceptable i didn't

03:30:35.320 say it's not acceptable but it's i think it's acceptable in a different way do you object if i were

03:30:42.120 to say for example i wouldn't date a stripper do you object to that there are objections that i have to

03:30:47.880 that what why specifically it's just a job for me in my eyes it's just a job but if you view as

03:30:54.600 differently well now you know i i wouldn't i wouldn't date a stripper there's tons of prostitution that

03:30:59.400 goes on with that yeah i'm not a prostitute i'm not saying you are i didn't say that either of you

03:31:05.000 are i said there's tons of prostitution which comes along in strip clubs especially i have plenty

03:31:11.480 of buddies who are bouncers talk about it constantly in fact a lot of them say that they're you're hard

03:31:17.480 pressed even to find women inside those clubs who don't engage in prostitution i think it depends on

03:31:21.880 the state the regulations of the club but yes in both the clubs that we've worked at i think that

03:31:26.600 there are prostitutes do you think a guy's insecure if he doesn't want to date a stripper

03:31:31.320 he could be he and he couldn't be okay yeah all right because i've dated some that you know didn't

03:31:38.120 want to why why is it okay for you to not want to date a customer but if a guy doesn't want to date

03:31:42.760 a stripper that's problematic i think he it's gotcha

03:31:55.400 it's dave chapelle this is go ahead go ahead go ahead will you throw me off track and then expect

03:32:03.320 me to just jump back in i'm trying to ride good arguments and stuff it's just like gotcha

03:32:08.040 bitch okay no dave chapelle said that not me okay that's why i said that but i included the button

03:32:13.640 part um what was the question i'm sorry uh one what uh he was asking why is it okay for you not

03:32:22.680 to want to date a customer but it's not okay for a man not to want to date a stripper it's problematic

03:32:28.360 which i like the word that you used um for a man just because it shows that he cannot grasp the idea

03:32:34.680 that dancing is just a job or maybe he just doesn't want a woman who dances naked in front

03:32:41.080 of other men and that's okay that's valid i think that's a valid reason you don't you don't think it's

03:32:44.600 problematic if you think you're too insecure to have a girlfriend that does that then that's totally

03:32:49.240 fine that's your preference no it's i it's not that i think i'm too insecure i just don't i don't

03:32:53.720 want i don't want to please ladies ladies ladies ladies ladies ladies ladies allow me to make this

03:32:59.480 point it's not that i'm too insecure i just don't want to share my woman and her body with other

03:33:04.840 men it's that simple yeah it would make you feel bad if that happened it's i just don't want to

03:33:11.400 share i feel like that's kind of my woman's body with other yeah no it's okay chase if you're too

03:33:15.720 so insecure you can't let your woman have sex with other men yeah exactly exactly i mean if you're

03:33:21.960 that insecure chase yeah i could i could flip i could flip the same argument yeah would you would

03:33:26.760 you prefer would you prefer if you had a boyfriend would you prefer if he was loyal to you yeah i

03:33:33.080 think it's just because you're so insecure that you don't want him to sleep with other girls i agree

03:33:39.240 massive insecurity it's a that's a big it just you don't like how it makes you feel

03:33:44.040 honestly like that's that's your argument like that only comes after like an actual relationship

03:33:48.360 being established yeah but a relationship would have already been established and you're you know under

03:33:56.280 the same scenario where you're dating is a person or girl who strips right so the relationship's

03:34:02.200 established you say well that's pretty weak of you it's pretty weak of you to not want to date a girl

03:34:09.800 who is a stripper right yeah because up until that point he found out he thought i was like amazing

03:34:15.240 yeah until you started to show your naked body to other men so wouldn't that fall right along the same

03:34:21.480 guidelines that chase is saying of hey i'm saying he can have that preference yeah but does he get to

03:34:27.080 go around and tell everyone that that is the number one preference and that's how you're going to be

03:34:30.920 happy yes i do say that that's not the only way you're going to be happy i'm not saying it's the

03:34:36.120 only way that you're going to be happy i mean when you're telling all of these people that then

03:34:40.760 that's how it appears i know all the outliers in society most men don't want their chicks to hump

03:34:47.320 other dudes that's simple right you took if you took a poll of the thousands of men that are

03:34:53.000 watching this and you ask them are you okay with your woman showing her naked body to other men i

03:34:58.040 would argue probably 99.9 of them would say no maybe i've met a decent amount of there's an echo

03:35:04.920 but you do sex work so you're the pool of people that you're around are men who yeah want that yeah but

03:35:11.560 that's not representative of the population as a whole the average guy does not want his woman naked

03:35:16.520 around other men i'm not around other men when i'm naked okay can i still answer your question

03:35:23.320 oh yeah go ahead go ahead and then i have a follow-up and then i have to move on i thought you said you

03:35:27.160 had an only thing is that being naked around other men or is that me posting a picture you're naked

03:35:33.160 two other men yeah i mean this is i guess it's a distinction about marriage because he's saying if you

03:35:38.760 show your naked body to other men that's the problem yeah exactly so if they're paying for yes

03:35:45.320 especially if they're paying for it that's that makes it ten times worse maybe i don't think so

03:35:51.240 go ahead go ahead the average guy yes go ahead so you would rather wait you would rather me take

03:35:55.960 send free titty pics instead of getting okay okay we're going to have a woman which version is like

03:36:03.240 the better woman no no i think there's a likelihood none none she should just never take a titty

03:36:09.960 picker in her whole life yes okay let's find him a man a girl that's never done that there's plenty

03:36:15.400 of there's a lot of there's plenty of them help you find them you're going to be happy i already

03:36:19.480 have i'm not worried about it but you just said that your relationship is okay wait well they're

03:36:24.600 okay they're christian i was confused on his relationship status i said i said my relationship

03:36:29.160 status was private but what i'm saying about women out there who won't take those pictures is there's

03:36:33.480 plenty of them and i know a lot of them this actually baffles me that you were like oh you

03:36:38.600 just you think that there's a magical unicorn out there who's never sent a dude a titty pic huh that

03:36:44.040 i mean that's what that sounded like yeah where yeah see what i mean there's a lot of conservative

03:36:49.480 women out there who don't do the magical i believe that though it's i think it's in my opinion i think

03:36:55.480 it's totally okay for guys to not want to date sex stop let her speak i think it's okay for men to

03:37:01.080 not want to date sex workers but the shaming part is what i don't like because it it causes more

03:37:06.840 violence towards sex workers because they're more likely to get and no what causes violence towards

03:37:11.960 sex workers is the fact that they're sex workers so there's everyone sex workers means there's less

03:37:17.000 violence so being a sex worker inherently means that everyone you should be like no he's not saying

03:37:23.720 that it means that you should be on the receiving end of violence the reason why this is happening to

03:37:27.640 is because you do sex no no let's pretend let's sex workers can sort with men who are more likely

03:37:33.000 to be violent towards them is the point yes but why are they in that job it's survival there's

03:37:38.680 many different reasons yeah but what you're saying is don't shame last thing from andrew and then i'm

03:37:42.840 moving on but think about how silly this is your argument is actually the women who are sex workers get

03:37:49.480 abused shaming women so that they stop being sex workers is bad even though if they weren't sex workers

03:37:54.840 they wouldn't be getting abused as sex workers that's the argument it's insane we're moving on

03:38:02.840 selena i have a final question here related to this so when it comes to your customers what do you call

03:38:07.800 them tricks marks maybe you can answer this too oh i just call them my customers you don't you don't

03:38:13.320 look down on them at all like call them tricks or marks i mean i have a viral tick tock i made talking

03:38:17.800 about the boots that come in boots are like newly marines that just gradually and it's triggered some

03:38:22.520 people but i caught like sure but um i was gonna answer your question i was supposed to answer

03:38:26.040 like 10 minutes ago which was what the one about it being a red flag of like maybe oh sure if you

03:38:30.840 want to answer that because i didn't have a different view from her but sure sure sure because so i'm very

03:38:34.200 like i think i told you i'm more traditional even though i am a stripper and this sounds kind of weird

03:38:39.080 but um i sorry ladies no sidebar conversations please you what she never mind do you guys need water

03:38:49.400 okay nick can you get them some water please no no no no no i'm sure no i'm good huh you don't you

03:38:56.600 guys have just derailed 30 seconds of the conversation go ahead okay my apologies i would

03:39:01.640 agree i think it i know that i am a red flag just by being a stripper so if i understand that they

03:39:06.040 don't need what i don't think they need water i'm not clear it damn it one motorsports

03:39:11.000 donate two hundred dollars and this is why feminism is toxic there is no realm in which

03:39:17.000 sending strangers nude pics should be acceptable let alone consider the norm but feminism says it is

03:39:22.680 okay girl power get the rocks i'm just frustrated because selena hasn't had a lot of time to talk

03:39:28.920 and when she is talking you guys are sidebarring while she's trying to make her point but so you were

03:39:34.200 saying that you do think it is a red flag for you to be a stripper i'm very understanding of that and

03:39:37.640 like a lot of men judge me for being a stripper but i understand like i wouldn't want a man that

03:39:41.000 strips and it sounds hypocritical of me but if i were to meet a man that wants to be in a long-term

03:39:45.320 relationship with me and he told me to stop obviously i'm my own provider i take care of me

03:39:49.240 so if i date a man and he wants me to stop he's gonna have to step up and help provide because

03:39:53.000 clearly i'm paying for everything else i think that's a fair thing yes and this is can i can i commend

03:39:58.440 her real quick this is i think aside from some comments you've made the first accountability that i

03:40:04.200 have heard tonight the fact that you said yes i recognize that it's a red flag that i'm a stripper

03:40:08.360 i respect that accountability i've been waiting to hear some accountability from this table for

03:40:13.560 several hours now time to speak so yeah i respect it i respect it and i think one of the big differences

03:40:19.240 is i think as men we accept our deficiencies and we accept that this might preclude us from dating

03:40:26.600 certain women for example i acknowledge that by virtue of doing this podcast some women perhaps

03:40:33.560 a lot of women wouldn't want to date me i'm not thinking they must be insecure frankly i just don't

03:40:39.480 care i don't care but it seems like women for example who are involved in sex work really want to like

03:40:45.880 get on this crusade about well if you don't want to date me because of what i do for work there there's

03:40:51.480 something wrong with you so um yeah but on the other hand but then he did go on to kind of qualify

03:40:58.040 it with if a if a guy wanted to date me right he he would have to pay for my lifestyle to the

03:41:05.960 sufficient standard that i could then quit being a stripper right don't you think that's counterintuitive

03:41:11.560 well i do have other stuff that i'm working on like i've only been dancing for a year and a half

03:41:15.640 before that i was a car salesman so like see you might it might you might disagree i see dancing as

03:41:20.200 sales i see everything as a sale i love sales um well there's a sales component to it but there's

03:41:25.160 a sales component to any form of anything so you know i'm doing other things in my life like i am

03:41:29.800 working on starting a side business i want to go back to school and finish real estate school i am

03:41:33.720 prepping the body build so i have all these stuff i'm doing can i ask a question i've always wanted to

03:41:37.720 ask in this situation i haven't had the opportunity but now i finally get to what is actually the worst

03:41:44.200 thing that would happen in your life if you just stop stripping tomorrow if i stop streaming tomorrow

03:41:49.080 i go broke and have no like well i mean do you go do you go broke or do you just downsize in life i

03:41:55.880 mean there have been moments where i've thought about stopping completely because i i'll be honest

03:42:00.520 i'm not proud to be a stripper it doesn't make me happy i don't find it empowering yeah yeah no i get

03:42:04.120 all that but what's the worst what's the worst realistically that would happen if you got like

03:42:09.800 let's say just a different job um i don't make as much as support my current lifestyle or the things i

03:42:15.000 want to pursue in life right now stripping pays for bills and lets me pursue things like bodybuilding

03:42:20.120 and my side business and other stuff i want to for the meantime so that's why i do what i do now even

03:42:24.680 though i hate it because i have the money to do all the things to set myself set myself up for the future

03:42:30.280 okay i need to move on all right so um for you two you guys and we we got into this a little bit

03:42:36.840 earlier um we were talking about twitter posts and we we saw some of the twitter posts and i just

03:42:44.360 wanted to pull them up this is from you and from you um and just wanted to react to them get your

03:42:50.440 thoughts um nick make it bigger please so this is from bunny here you think you said i actually think

03:42:59.000 men should be oppressed that's does that sound like like oh i i don't know do you want me to guess

03:43:06.680 if that was a joke or not i mean i wouldn't read it as a joke where's the punchline was it a joke

03:43:14.040 clearly you weren't around for the punchline in august 19th 2020 that was three years ago right go ahead

03:43:20.040 next nick you said god i hate men yeah okay i'm sorry i love that wait well i'm sure you do

03:43:31.880 these you're like trying to show me like expose street tweets but like i've seen ones that are

03:43:36.760 like actually like very hateful and mine is just like ah i hate men you guys have the word hate

03:43:43.720 in that tweet yeah imagine if that said god i hate black people the distinction there

03:43:50.280 like what how how would that read do you think you think it's just it's just fashionable to

03:43:55.800 to kind of take a dump on men right you said you love it yeah well yeah i think please scoot

03:44:02.600 in scoot into the table please maybe it's because she gets a joke and you guys don't what's the joke

03:44:07.160 explain the joke to me i'm sorry you don't just like that but i'm i'm ignorant explain the joke to

03:44:13.320 me don't you think if i was trying to make a complex point about like my dislike of men

03:44:17.400 then i would have so you admit that you dislike them into the mic here straight into the mic please

03:44:22.600 go ahead so i dislike the things that men have been taught and i have met so many men that have

03:44:31.640 not fit that that i do not like i will not say i dislike men i don't like men so you pulling up

03:44:38.040 something that i said two years ago do you disagree and also i wasn't dating men during that time either

03:44:43.320 how's that relevant how's whether you were dating men or not at all relevant to what you said

03:44:49.000 bro i'm not making a political statement i'm tweeting some

03:44:52.040 bullshit on my body

03:44:53.080 he came a donated two hundred dollars i'm sorry but i don't think that's an incriminating

03:44:58.360 hold on hold on stop obvious brain damage argues that if other men are paying for my nudes nbd

03:45:04.760 only bd if free also imagine piercing both cheeks and thinking it would bring hvm what's hvm i value

03:45:12.920 mail jacama thank you we have more tweets let's just get through all the tweets let's just get

03:45:17.080 through all the tweets uh where are the sexy men at y'all are kind of mid not gonna lie okay oh yeah

03:45:24.360 that one's funny do you know that one's funny no but earlier i think you were talking about something

03:45:29.240 about she's probably talking about someone specific like it's just a specific hate tweet i know y'all

03:45:34.680 have those moments where you want to i've seen guys joke about like i i'm so sick of bitches like

03:45:40.920 i've seen that it's just like i don't think that's i've seen that i've laughed at guys being like i'm

03:45:45.480 i'm sick of there's a whole twitter there's a whole twitter it's not a joke how we act when we start to

03:45:51.640 hate our girlfriends one at a time one at a time let me just read all the tweets uh you said just

03:45:56.440 opened up my whole roster to men don't make me regret this okay uh i hate to tell y'all but i

03:46:03.000 tell my therapist details about the men i date and fuck i even send her pics of them and she tells me

03:46:07.400 if they're cute or not yeah i need some honest opinions sure and i you mentioned some i'll get

03:46:13.160 to the theory therapy part men used to go to war now they sell their bin finds on melrose weekly okay

03:46:18.760 next one yeah that's when you go and you buy a bunch of clothes for cheap people then you resell

03:46:23.320 them because you know they're valiant i don't care about that okay people think a man who has

03:46:26.920 to shave his head so no one sees that hairline is one of the smartest men ever wow don't you think

03:46:31.240 this is a bit of an ad-hom attack like what does his what does his hair have to do with his hairline

03:46:37.240 have to do with his intelligence i mean you might you can be critical are you saying are you saying

03:46:42.360 men with nick put on the other side please nick put this on the other side put us on the other side

03:46:46.360 it doesn't matter when you tweeted it it really doesn't one thing you can make fun of because

03:46:53.480 he's kind of attractive 25 000 tweets no it's the content of the tweet you're saying that a man with

03:46:59.720 you're saying you're saying that you're saying you're saying that a man with a bad hairline can't

03:47:04.120 but these are words that you used i'm just curious about them yeah a man that has to shave his head to

03:47:09.400 prove that he isn't balding and then he's giving everyone advice on what they should be doing to

03:47:15.560 be real men so it seems like an ad-hom attack okay okay next next the thought of sex with straight

03:47:23.400 men archetype makes me want to vomit for the first time in my life okay yeah do you want to talk about

03:47:29.640 that about vomiting not particularly yeah so don't why you well it's just i mean that that's a bit

03:47:35.960 misandrist but okay men i could probably that was probably men make me want to vomit why can't they

03:47:41.160 just be quiet hey do we do we make you want to vomit probably occasionally okay you say men

03:47:48.120 make a job keeping it why can't they just be quiet okay um yeah probably has to do with something

03:47:55.400 this is definitely towards one man like i know it's definitely okay here comes one man these are all

03:48:01.400 over a year ago that i like i don't even so your thoughts have changed okay never working while a man

03:48:05.800 pays for all your stuff is kind of queen shit feminist by the way that's not a very that's

03:48:11.960 not a real feminist position why do you think that like being a feminist being a gender equality means

03:48:17.400 that i be i can choose whatever path i want i can choose whatever path i want to take okay that should

03:48:24.440 be my right and that should be every woman's right it's just like she's so valid for having five kids

03:48:30.200 that's amazing sure okay keep going like i'm not talking there's nothing wrong um oh you won't

03:48:38.840 there after your back oh this is now this is you i can't really i don't have my glasses on so i can't

03:48:44.120 see i'll read it i'll read it okay in a place in my life where i cannot hang out with men who make less

03:48:49.400 money than me please don't waste my time yeah because there'll be like drug addicts who post post crown

03:48:55.240 royal on their snapchat that'll be like do you want to kick it for the night and i'm just like

03:49:00.920 okay sure next i just don't me just over sexualizing men in my music because it's a free country and when

03:49:07.400 was the last time you were harassed on the city street about your outfit sir okay um

03:49:15.160 this is i'm sorry i'm like i think it's what i think i'm sorry it's funny i i live for that do you

03:49:20.600 guys get harassed when you walk down the street do they like whistle i make i make music about like

03:49:25.640 boys boys i love i love abs i love skinny boys i love fat boys do you often dress like this no no

03:49:34.120 i'll be i'll be walking in the middle of the night in sweats a big t-shirt walking just to 7-eleven

03:49:39.880 across the street and then i get slowed down and ask if i need a ride pull it back up next

03:49:45.320 men be like i love strong independent women women being strong independent and reliant on themselves

03:49:52.760 men there's something off here most men this is a trope this is a trope from women saying i want to

03:50:00.200 be i'm a strong independent woman most men are not out here saying i want a strong independent woman

03:50:05.080 yeah i don't know any dudes that's not a thing well maybe you're making that up and you know there's no

03:50:09.880 i've known a lot of guys like always the men that i've been around leech off of me so if i

03:50:16.920 sounds like you're hanging out with losers you allow that that's why i post i distance myself from

03:50:21.800 people like that go ahead next nick men broke my soul then i learned how to get into their heads to

03:50:28.280 use them and feel special what that's pretty toxic this was very much in a toxic i'm not even gonna lie

03:50:34.920 this was it was in a it was in a it's these were personal so these were personal attacks for it's

03:50:41.960 like subtweeting me like me subtweeting someone so it's not these are like it's not like as these are

03:50:49.880 not just general statements about you no i was just mad at a man like sometimes you know twitter

03:50:56.440 let me ask if a black if a say a black person made you mad would would you would it be equally

03:51:01.400 justifiable to say this about black no i just don't think it's that serious when i make fun of

03:51:07.000 men like i just don't i'm i do you think it's that serious when we make fun of women some like it

03:51:13.080 depends on the context like i wasn't being it does it sound like violent to you what i said anything

03:51:19.240 that i said yeah but i mean it's rather if if a dude like if a guy jokes about the art yeah but if

03:51:24.280 a dude is making fun of women in the same exact context that you are right yeah sometimes it's funny

03:51:28.840 i i mean you wouldn't be a hypocrite and say they shouldn't be they shouldn't do that no i just

03:51:33.720 if it's violent violent jokes towards women which is i see more often it's like sure well i don't

03:51:41.080 she she said what what did you say that you hate men i don't want to misquote you i forgot the exact

03:51:45.960 what did you say no my tweet my tweet from also like three years ago i can't tell you because

03:51:52.360 i just read it and i forgot that ever exists um most of mine were if men were to say a lot of them

03:52:00.440 because i can sit here and say i object to men saying that they hate women

03:52:05.960 can you do you object to women saying that they hate men um

03:52:10.520 i have no business on them i just i don't another woman i'm starting to change my opinion about like

03:52:18.200 saying that but i like i just think it's punching up still because so you're saying it's okay to say

03:52:25.000 that you hate men yes but there's no violence that is going to come from me saying that of course there

03:52:32.520 is i i don't believe that i just don't agree does that mean it's okay then to say it as long as we can't

03:52:39.000 measure in any way that a violent occurrence happens from it there's no way to know but i mean

03:52:46.280 i'm i told you i have i'm exactly there's no way to know there's no way to know and we can't

03:52:51.080 empirically demonstrate it then how can you even say you're punching up because they're just

03:52:55.880 generations of men being the same way towards women so when i joke about how would you well how

03:53:00.200 would you demonstrate it when you say to me that there's no possible way that we can empirically

03:53:04.840 measure whether or not me making a comment yeah so then so how is it even punching up really

03:53:11.480 because i just don't feel like me saying i hate like as a it's such a literal joke it's what's the

03:53:18.520 joke it's just unserious like you're not going to be like i hate women unless you're just an incel

03:53:24.280 like i don't you know what i mean have you considered the possibility wait wait have you

03:53:28.760 considered the possibility that you're a very toxic female yes i do i i feel i consider myself toxic

03:53:35.720 okay i have a lot of toxic traits i'm i work pride in that i don't take pride in toxicity absolutely

03:53:42.280 not but is it worth fixing yes like i go to therapy i work on my mental health and i try to better

03:53:48.920 myself i've had i have personal things that make me like toxic towards men that's why i've been

03:53:54.920 celibate do you hate men i don't hate men like that the general statement of it is just silly

03:54:02.520 because it's like is it yes because it's silly if i were to say i everyone knows if i post that i'm

03:54:08.920 being like goofy and it's not if a man if a man were to say violent statement for me if a man were to say

03:54:15.000 that he hates women would you object to that statement yeah would it be a sexist statement yeah but

03:54:21.640 it's a sexist statement for you to say that you hate men yeah it was sexist but it's such a different

03:54:26.840 like it's different context of a man if a man says that it's like to me i i mean it just i immediately

03:54:33.640 think it's violence like yeah how would that be violence it's a violent statement how is that how

03:54:39.080 could that be violence how could you how could you empirically demonstrate i can't empirically

03:54:43.640 demonstrate so you're just making it up so you're just making it up and okay and well in my opinion

03:54:48.840 okay that's in my opinion do you hate men because it was your tweet do you hate men no okay do you

03:54:54.520 hate men i hate patriarchal structures it's crazy to me because i don't hate women i can very if you

03:55:05.000 ask me if i hate women i can very quickly answer that question but you had to pause i think it sounds

03:55:10.200 like you i don't want to put words in your mouth but you kind of do it's not clear to me exactly what

03:55:16.600 your answer is being around men i don't hate men i i i agree with her but it's it's shocking to me

03:55:25.080 this seems like such a in the same way with the discussion about physical strength i'm literally

03:55:29.240 giving you such a layup here to like i'm asking you if you hate if you hate men the answer to me

03:55:37.320 would know i do that they're hated i don't want the teenage boys watching this to think that they're

03:55:42.840 hated i really like you're just punching up but they're you just but i'm saying i say men men and

03:55:49.560 like personal it's just jokes from my personal experience so the problem though with expressing

03:55:54.360 that stuff online is those teenage boys if they're watching this show or if they're listening to you

03:55:58.920 guys right now they're going to think to themselves man there's a lot of women in this

03:56:03.240 world that just straight up hate the kind of man that i want to become but you guys frame it you

03:56:07.640 guys know how to frame it more towards that way because like you're literally just expressing

03:56:13.320 the majority of women you guys are expressing that you hate men online it's and i i express that

03:56:19.160 is jokes like it is joke you can't just throw out a statement and then i'll understand that it's

03:56:25.800 toxic it's a it's a toxic thing to say yes i feel like i can even grant it and i can even say it's okay

03:56:32.440 fine sure but i hate having it you're just kidding on this platform where there's a bunch of teenage

03:56:37.640 boys when you say very seriously about that statement when you say it's toxic that men do it

03:56:45.240 do the exact same thing that's where i'm like wait a second so okay this is all funny haha i was kidding

03:56:50.680 i admitted that it was toxic on my side too yeah but hey guys hey i have an idea i have an idea let's uh

03:56:57.640 shift this conversation in a more positive note would it be possible to express three things that

03:57:03.320 you guys love about men yes of course but what three things do you love about men i like men i like

03:57:09.880 that they can be really soft vulnerable um and they are really generous people

03:57:18.680 first in my opinion very feminine traits but national bo donated two hundred dollars

03:57:23.560 as here i gave you a w and you threw it in the trash can a black man say he hates white women

03:57:30.760 is that punching up or down just watch who's more oppressed careful hassan might see this

03:57:37.800 you want to answer that wait i don't he said okay all right you want to move on from it well i it's

03:57:44.360 just you didn't hear it or whatever so i hassan if you watch he's saying he's asking

03:57:49.800 can a black man say he wants he hates white women is that punching up wait bring it back

03:57:55.400 they said that hassan said he hates white women he's asking you punching up if uh if a black man

03:58:00.280 were to say that is that punching up because i mean i've heard i've heard them say that i think

03:58:07.080 yeah i do think that here i'm gonna just get through the tweets go ahead uh i'm in the mood to be

03:58:13.160 mean to men again nice as your won't be back huh no we didn't do that one neck won't be back for

03:58:21.560 another six months you're in a mood to be mean to men again okay um all right next me before lining

03:58:30.760 up a group of men who have harmed a woman in any way in any way and merciless mercilessly shooting

03:58:36.680 them execution style you're talking about violence right yeah that's a that's rather

03:58:43.320 violent doesn't matter because you don't have the institutional power no i'm i'm admitting that

03:58:48.360 that i was going through a toxic time period it's not just toxic it's misandrist and sexist yeah it

03:58:54.440 was misandrist i i was misandrist for a long time i'm are you still are though i'm not no i'm trying to

03:59:01.160 work through like any of that okay because i i'm still learning i'm 23 like sure there's a lot to

03:59:08.360 learn next life and to change i'm really tired of liking the same muscular bond blonde e boys where's

03:59:14.360 the flavor of my dad taught me better than this he said to stay away from white men

03:59:24.920 um i grew up in hispanic family so yes why did he why did he tell you that because um

03:59:29.800 um traditionally in like hispanic household things like that i don't want to go into two

03:59:36.040 hundred dollars bricks and tie for answering my question of tts up in good or bad for business

03:59:42.680 why invite seven girls and question three why invite andrew and let him have ten sentences

03:59:49.240 plaza stop torturing the other four girls

03:59:52.120 well uh you know it's uh i don't know i'm fucking check i'm tired i do i do think i do

04:00:03.160 think it would make great content to focus more energy yeah yeah yeah i want to just at least get

04:00:08.040 through the tweets and then we'll move on go ahead how many tweets are there guys are so lucky

04:00:12.360 you have so many options for girls meanwhile they're like two attractive men where i live

04:00:15.800 by okay that's not that bad i live in a small town whatever next is there next the only thing

04:00:21.080 broke men have to offer is dick please leave me the eff alone

04:00:26.680 so he thinks that's funny that's pretty funny but it is true like i that was a true statement i'm not

04:00:33.560 gonna lie the last two were i'm not gonna it's just too broke to buy a condom next or back from

04:00:45.320 why do men not think they can't be used for sex too any men i spoke to this year i care just amount

04:00:50.600 as much about you as you did me or less you good question mark okay this is definitely so

04:00:57.160 towards somebody like specific look the only thing broke men have to offer is dick a mid-ass spotify

04:01:02.520 playlist on the audacity please collapse under full moon and stay the hell away from me i'd rather

04:01:07.640 fuck scarecrow okay next i'm hashtag i'm richard uh no straight men are allowed consumption of my

04:01:14.440 music by any means if a straight man is caught listening dancing or vibing to music made by me

04:01:19.240 consequence consequences will be extreme but vary maybe find 300 to my cash app okay next because my

04:01:25.160 music is for the gayest girls lgbtq plus okay i i hope my music they understand it i hope my music make

04:01:34.040 men makes men uncomfortable yeah okay just because it's so girly it's so hyper feminine i hope my music

04:01:41.800 do you think what about if we were to place men with um i hope my music makes

04:01:46.760 just input any other group of individuals in place of men listen to any rap song at like actually ever

04:01:56.120 or any rock song ever any rock song ever like any rock song led better they're just that's super just

04:02:04.120 example of misogyny yes it's all misogyny songs so i'm like jam songs okay i mean you said any rock

04:02:11.480 songs i mean just like rocks just male a lot of 80s rock most i would argue most like rock songs if

04:02:18.520 you listen to them especially like they're typically like guys almost um pedestalizing women listen to

04:02:25.720 like blink 182 songs they're like basically simping they're talking about love and all i know yeah like

04:02:32.440 there's there's love songs i'm saying that there's a lot of misogyny in male music so i was just making

04:02:37.320 a joke okay fine next one i stopped talking to men and hooking up with randos and i feel innocent

04:02:43.320 again childlike okay i can enjoy things my tweets are not without having to think about a man at the

04:02:48.680 end of the day okay no i like i feel bad for the other girls in the room this is how to properly treat

04:02:53.880 a high value man ladies take notes um come home please the kids scroll down scroll down scroll down

04:02:59.640 scroll down scroll down and is this you who sent this i don't know send a video of you sobbing real tears

04:03:05.400 and i might yes because i like a man with vulnerable vulnerable vulnerability you you mean i can't

04:03:15.560 say that word right now i'm having a stuck moment next tweet nick oh these are the dating apps okay

04:03:21.480 we have herds pulled up do you need to use the bathroom or we can come we can come back to you

04:03:26.440 here let me do uh nick pull up twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops

04:03:31.800 follow drop us a prime sub their right corner donated two hundred dollars why does the whatever

04:03:38.840 podcast pretend to be a debate channel when it is actually an only fans ad agency we end simp culture

04:03:45.400 by teaching men to not give an ounce of attention to these entitled hoes i agree with that all right

04:03:51.960 that is how to end simp culture we have did i get the peacecraft one um hold on let me pull that up

04:03:58.120 peacecraft bikini coffee stands in washington were started by the curly cursio crime family

04:04:07.480 after they were banned from owning rick's strip club on rico charges not only is it sex work it

04:04:12.200 funds organized crime but like so are you saying that like most of the sex work people that we're

04:04:17.720 talking about well that's just it was all it was ran by a man yeah but mine's ran by a woman actually

04:04:23.640 yeah but you see this point though he's saying the organized crime family in order to get around

04:04:28.200 a ban on them being able to have strippers went and started a bikini barista service in order to

04:04:35.880 get around the band so it was definitely sex work that's that no i know it's not but listen what he's

04:04:42.360 saying is it was literally started to be a replacement for stripping by a crime family so yes they

04:04:50.520 clearly intended it to be sex work is his point this is the coffee shop she worked at no let me

04:04:55.640 just get through this let me just get through the chat of the bikini coffee yeah oh interesting grid

04:05:01.240 one motorsports back for a few minutes question for the chat this is for the chat one if you think the

04:05:05.800 three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith maybe plants question mark so one

04:05:11.960 in the chat if you think the three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith okay

04:05:16.200 we have red nomad these women are never accountable for anything this panel makes me hate life even

04:05:21.320 more this is literal brain rot thanks brian chase andrew stumbled upon this podcast recently thanks

04:05:26.920 to chase i am deciding to take up christianity after giving up on religion earlier okay god bless

04:05:32.600 you man thank you for that comment there you have it there you have it it's good to know all right

04:05:35.960 let me bring it to here let's see oh i didn't do twitch oh go to twitch twitch.tv slash whatever guys

04:05:42.840 twitch.tv slash whatever live think for the prime disparity think for the prime fire thing for the

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04:06:04.360 single month okay let me get to some of my notes here so we have uh let's see it was

04:06:10.920 was savannah the other savannah you said uh been cheated on with my ex's best friend yeah usually

04:06:17.480 usually i just go by sava so you can do that so we can kind of sure you said you wanted to talk

04:06:22.080 about loyalty and relationships and did you have something on that oh um yeah so i've basically

04:06:29.980 been cheated on in every single relationship i've been in and i feel like um it's a really

04:06:35.000 big thing especially since i'm such a loyal person and um like when i'm in a relationship

04:06:40.460 like i don't even look at another person right um and i think that like disloyalty is definitely

04:06:47.040 perpetrated in our culture and you know like having people on the side you know like never going for

04:06:53.160 full commitment it's like it's just not cool anymore if i may ask how many how many relationships have

04:06:59.520 you had uh three three and you've been cheated on in every single one of them um the last one no the

04:07:05.680 last one no but the first two yes were there at the beginning of those relationships were there

04:07:11.220 any red flags that you noticed that maybe like looking back it was easy to see oh yeah that guy

04:07:18.220 was going to cheat on me um i think probably one of the things um is like i feel like having you know

04:07:26.080 like a bunch of girl friends you know what i mean like i think you can be friends with the opposite

04:07:31.660 gender but if your main communication source is you know girls and you were really close to primary

04:07:38.340 primary female i think that can definitely lead to so both of those guys that cheated on you did they

04:07:44.660 have a lot of female friends that they're regularly in contact with interesting you said here in your

04:07:49.020 notes everyone is a piece of shit in today's day and age to be honest our culture is influencing men

04:07:54.520 to not treat women right in relationships would you also say do you think it's this this reverse is the

04:08:00.540 same that women are not treating men right in relationships yeah okay um sorry you also said

04:08:06.240 you wanted to talk about are men and women equal what did you mean by that um i mean i think i think

04:08:12.140 we already covered kind of like the differentials like kind of earlier and everything like that

04:08:16.840 um just you know like with traits and everything like that um but i think i did like include in there

04:08:23.200 like um like i think i was really stupid like early on because like i said like before i was like 17

04:08:31.040 and or whatever like that like i never even experienced attraction to a person so when i

04:08:35.760 initially started dating like i was kind of dumb where they would like tell me they would they would

04:08:43.380 like be cheating on me messaging people and be like oh it's it's not like that and i'd be like oh for

04:08:47.420 real okay right and i actually um i remember i'm not gonna say what x it was but i went through their

04:08:54.020 phone right and they were messaging hundreds of people like it was insane the amount of people that

04:08:59.720 they're messaging right and by chance i actually clicked over on their male best friends chat he was

04:09:08.160 hooking up with his male best friend what yeah yeah it's it's insane it's like yeah that's crazy

04:09:21.120 when he said he was like british is a bad businessman donated two hundred dollars brian

04:09:27.320 interested in why you have talked to one third of the girls in the thumbnail for 99 percent the cast

04:09:33.740 why put the other two oh wait saver being cheated on good lord what were those men thinking

04:09:40.920 um so why'd you use a picture of me from two years ago i look so different

04:09:48.620 i we that's just the process i was jealous i was like why am i not in we typically only put three

04:09:56.420 people in the thumbnail so that's just the way the cookie crumbled that's just the way well coming to

04:10:02.020 you then uh your instagram says you're ruled by jupiter what does that um ruled by jupiter

04:10:08.120 means because i'm a sagittarius but also um sagittarius rules is ruled by jupiter and um jupiter

04:10:16.820 the planet kind of represents like philosophical okay and like searching for like answers and

04:10:22.820 everything so yeah that's what ruled by jupiter means okay i see astrological okay i have i'm gonna

04:10:31.840 come to come to here actually let's do your dating app review profile nick if you could pull it up

04:10:35.320 please uh so we're gonna review her hinge profile she says i won't shut up about politics and philosophy

04:10:42.720 and my spiritual perspective okay so for the viewers nick if you scroll it up please make it bigger

04:10:49.060 not that big please just the same size as the other one um you swipe left you swipe right this is for

04:10:57.960 the chat uh i also i'm gonna be in santa barbara in la for like like like a week mid-november okay

04:11:04.120 interesting next should same size please should possibly consider getting institutionalized

04:11:12.020 your therapist would say that your has your therapist actually recommended you ought to be

04:11:18.640 institutionalized not recommended but we've brought it up and was like have you considered

04:11:23.620 being institutionalized or getting medicated for for what suicidal thoughts oh i'm sorry to hear that

04:11:31.060 okay next next next next next next green flags i look for kindness empathy princess treatment and

04:11:39.360 enthusiasm what is princess treatment and perhaps we can have all the girls weigh in like what is

04:11:44.140 princess treatment and i nick is that the last one uh i'll check

04:11:47.480 no here you guys can answer the question go ahead so for me princess treatment is

04:11:54.780 i guess in a in a long-term committed relationship where we both establish that we're exclusive and

04:12:00.380 that we love each other um being spoiled and that can be a in a lot of different ways um financially

04:12:06.400 is nice so like being given money for example or being just by like a partner just giving you money

04:12:12.920 like like like they know that i want some new shoes or want a new outfit or want something like a sugar

04:12:17.820 daddy some i mean i guess i okay nice that's never been consistently seen as a sugar daddy until now

04:12:27.280 so let me ask what do you give in return to be treated like a princess

04:12:31.480 great question oh my god i'm such a lovey-dovey emotionally supportive partner isn't that what both

04:12:38.960 partners are expected to do in a relationship and i believe that that's also a part of princess

04:12:43.200 treatment is kindness and caring and stuff like that but yeah i put the same stuff on the table

04:12:47.800 and i'm more like if i'm like i said in a committed happy loving relationship i'm more than willing to

04:12:52.920 spoil my partner as well i love to give my partner gifts on their birthday on their birthday on their

04:12:58.940 birthday specifically you said you want a partner to just buy you give you just give you money i mean

04:13:05.300 that's just one way of receiving princess treatment i would do the same thing for them

04:13:09.640 and i have the same so why not just both of you don't give each other money and then you just both

04:13:15.360 have the like if you're both like if if i give you two thousand dollars and then you give me two

04:13:20.520 thousand dollars we're in the same place so maybe we just didn't need to do the transaction at all it's

04:13:27.200 it's well one that wouldn't be one singular transaction but also it's more about the thought

04:13:33.260 in the gift giving so like one month um my partner knows that i need to buy a dress or buy an outfit

04:13:40.800 for a specific event they give me the money or they buy me the outfit a couple months later they need

04:13:46.240 a part for their car and i surprise they said that you know it's been weighing heavily on their mind

04:13:50.480 that they need that part so i go out and i take that burden off of them for buying that part i have

04:13:56.100 one question related to this you four describe yourselves as feminists correct you did you

04:14:01.440 describe yourself as feminist or no yes you no okay into the mic please if you can remember

04:14:06.840 um who do you think should pay on the first date men or women the men or the woman here you start

04:14:13.180 actually good my bias is men but i don't really have any good arguments for or against that so

04:14:20.980 i care your bias is for men okay but you're a feminist what about you um my bias is for men

04:14:26.100 and if he doesn't want to then i'll pay for my food and what never see him again i probably won't

04:14:35.360 unless he was really amazing but um so i that's not just a made-up concept in my head that like oh

04:14:41.500 people should be buying me food but like my family has already told me has always told me since i was

04:14:47.040 like six years old that a man who's going to take care of me and want to marry me he's going to want to

04:14:53.240 completely take care of me okay what about you i think who ever asks have you ever asked a guy out

04:15:00.680 yeah more often than not are you asking guys out more often or is the guy asking you out more often

04:15:07.180 um well i get i get asked out more often but um do you think that's all do you think most women

04:15:12.760 that's the case for them too i mean most women don't ask men out or it's very rare i mean yeah

04:15:20.840 it's like traditional oh yeah so i mean whoever asks should pay i would i would prefer like i it's

04:15:27.280 nice to have someone like to be taken care of in that way let's say you go on a date with guy

04:15:32.880 he asked to split the bill or he says we should split the bill will there be a second date um

04:15:39.100 i just i i if if i did that to them i would feel we it just feels like low effort that's my issue with

04:15:48.540 okay what about you um i think you know what she said about whoever asks whoever first but

04:15:53.820 to be honest like i love spoiling my man so a lot of the time you know like i'll plan like a dinner

04:16:01.140 reservation and i'll first date i'm talking about first date first date yeah whoever asks whoever

04:16:05.800 have you ever asked a guy out on the first date um actually i haven't but i have paid for convenient

04:16:10.680 it's very convenient that women say whoever i should pay when women don't ask men out on first date

04:16:15.680 you do i've asked so many but i generally speaking generally speaking men are the initiators

04:16:21.480 like generally speaking so your answer i i don't necessarily object your opinion it's not my

04:16:27.000 opinion it's just fact but maybe there's no way to like gather like there is maybe a way we can gather

04:16:31.600 more info on this would you be more likely to go out with a man who took you to do something free

04:16:36.240 than somebody who same guy same guy hang on same exact guy though right let's say has all the same

04:16:43.920 quality of same or same quality same everything offers to take you to do something which requires

04:16:49.180 money which which thing would you rather do probably would you say what's the things well i have go ahead

04:16:55.660 i have like standards with dating i want someone who has a job and in a car so if they have like a job

04:17:02.300 in a car and they're well you know they're just polite people polite men they're gonna probably ask me

04:17:09.980 out on the date and then what you that's not what i'm asking though what i'm asking is would you be

04:17:15.880 do you think that you would be more likely to do something that's free with the person who asked you

04:17:21.640 out on the first date not more likely no i have to be honest no it's just it's it's low effort like

04:17:27.740 it's the effort that make you know what i mean i don't know i appreciate effort and things like that

04:17:34.300 you said that it's my opinion that that men are more likely to initiate first dates do you actually

04:17:43.200 think that that's not a fact i think broadly speaking of all the first dates that have ever

04:17:49.860 occurred do you think that that is just merely opinion i mean but you admitted earlier with the

04:17:58.180 words that came out of your mouth you said more often than not the men are asking you out on first

04:18:02.680 dates yeah so it's not just merely my opinion it's your very own firsthand experience yeah but

04:18:09.340 everyone has it's just experience i would argue that so yeah i mean i guess you're right here let's

04:18:15.020 go around the table then we have seven women here more often than not who is who is taking the

04:18:19.900 initiative when it comes to asking for the first date um men with me personally with you what about

04:18:25.740 for you men men men men please speak into the mics guys okay um so i think i forgot if we left off with

04:18:37.220 you as far as who should pay for the first date i guess my question to you guys who consider yourself

04:18:41.500 feminist how do you reconcile being a feminist believing in gender equality perhaps even doing

04:18:48.340 away with gender roles but also demanding that men pay for first dates or even wanting men to pay for

04:18:54.680 first dates oh i've i've never demanded that i've actually i've actually well these girls you oh all

04:19:00.840 three of you said you want all three of you said that you want the man to pay on the first date no i

04:19:06.860 didn't say that okay i said remove demand from it you want you want men to pay for the first dates

04:19:12.480 how do you reconcile being a feminist believing in gender equality but also wanting men to pay for

04:19:19.620 first dates that's a gender role go ahead i think i would want it if any partner like any gender were

04:19:25.780 to ask me out on a date and i agree with that i would like to be feel like i'm taken care of or

04:19:31.380 thought of but if they if we talk about it like we have a strong connection and um they tell me their

04:19:39.040 situation they're not able to pay for the first date but we have like a really good connection

04:19:42.560 then i would pay for the date and then still want to see them afterwards if someone were to just like

04:19:47.240 leave me with the bill or something like that or like be like yeah can we split the bill it just

04:19:53.180 makes me feel like i'm not they're not going to be able to take care of me if i need it and like

04:19:58.160 it's not the biggest priority for me but it's just it's definitely a green flag for my partner to want

04:20:04.060 to pay for the first date okay i feel like it's okay to be a feminist and want to be taken care of

04:20:10.440 as well it it just logically doesn't make sense to me i i understand i understand your viewpoint but

04:20:17.920 i just think that i i can have my own you want the sexes to be equal in their roles and responsibilities

04:20:23.700 but you also want the man to take a more traditional role and take care of you and

04:20:28.000 be that masculine role not it's not traditional though i don't date traditional it's totally

04:20:33.080 it's totally traditional gender roles but i'm traditional i don't a lot i just don't most of

04:20:41.020 the men who ask me out on dates are not even traditional and they probably still pay for

04:20:45.700 first dates they're still right they're still adhering and if they don't ask if we're in a

04:20:50.000 conversation if i'm on tinder and there's a whole conversation going on they haven't asked for a date

04:20:54.980 thank you for the gift of 20 memberships go ahead they haven't asked for a date and we are vibing

04:21:00.960 i'm gonna ask them out and that's happened a few that's happened a few times but mostly more likely

04:21:06.940 men will ask me out on the date first that's just their that and their wait out of curiosity when you

04:21:13.300 ask guys out on dates do you want them to pay or do you pay or how do you do that i don't like

04:21:19.080 spending money like i i and wait so you ask them out on a date and then you're hoping that they're

04:21:24.260 gonna pay for it no i i don't hope that they're gonna pay for it do you guys like talk about it

04:21:28.280 beforehand or yeah like i will i will literally ask for it because i like you'll be like hey should

04:21:34.120 we split this no i won't i like if i ask someone out on a date i'm not gonna ask them to split because

04:21:40.820 that's so low effort and weird so do you pay for it yes i will pay for a date okay if i ask someone

04:21:47.880 out on a day i'm gonna pay for the full thing i'm actually curious has it ever happened where you've

04:21:53.440 asked a man on a date and then gone out and paid for the entire date um like even i try i really try

04:22:00.020 like i really try to keep it because yeah it does happen but i really try i'm like i i will say i

04:22:06.080 asked so i would prefer to pay you could pay you could do it next time or something like that that

04:22:10.460 has actually happened yes because a lot of men do insist on paying but like if i offer to pay for a

04:22:17.540 date i don't want to be like oh yeah like okay just that just you know it just occurs to me i would

04:22:23.900 be like i in my head i'm like oh like i should but no if i ask i feel like there's a smuggle here

04:22:29.120 what i'm asking specifically not is if you would offer to do so i'm asking if you've asked a man out

04:22:34.920 on a date and then actually paid for the whole date yes i just said that but i don't what's the

04:22:40.780 point what are you implying well implying anything he's just asking just asking oh yes it just seems

04:22:46.880 i don't know it just seems unlikely i don't know why it seems unlikely though because you don't know

04:22:52.200 why that seems unlikely really well i make i make money i make enough money

04:22:56.660 modest he came a donated five hundred dollars jesus mf christ i did okay that's what do you

04:23:06.360 what do you think about having like a stay at home dad right and then the woman is the main

04:23:11.480 provider what's your opinion on that your mic is muted you're muted right now no you're you're good

04:23:17.780 how long is she timed out for 10 minutes okay like a stay-at-home dad right and then the woman

04:23:25.060 is the main provider what do you think about that wouldn't like it would not like it because actually

04:23:31.200 that's the that's the type of household i come from right my my mom she went back to school she

04:23:35.840 makes all the money right and my dad has actually always been the stay-at-home dad and the crazy

04:23:40.680 thing is they're the most traditional conservative people you've ever like met right but they've

04:23:47.060 developed those different roles who makes the financial decisions in the family um it's it's

04:23:52.500 kind of half and half my my mom partially um but my dad he also goes through taxes like he's really

04:23:58.720 into finances and everything like that so they kind of come together and they do that

04:24:02.760 yeah i don't know i i suppose it could work yeah but it probably to some degree goes against the

04:24:11.640 natural flow between masculine and feminine in some way yeah i feel like it would breed a dynamic

04:24:17.640 where the woman would end up embodying a ton of masculine energy and maybe she would be able to rest

04:24:24.020 into her feminine energy when she was around the home and stuff but like you know when when a woman

04:24:28.660 has to work particularly if it's a stressful job she has to embody a lot of masculine energy and i

04:24:33.220 wouldn't personally want a relationship where a woman is embodying a lot of masculine energy

04:24:37.780 on like a daily basis like that's like and also i just like brian was saying it would feel very

04:24:43.000 unnatural to me and i feel like totally screw up the dynamic i i do have a question for you on this

04:24:48.160 chase and i have gotten some flack for this because although i can't imagine my me getting into a

04:24:53.900 personal relationship like this i'm not like a hundred percent like i could never be in a

04:25:00.220 situation where my girlfriend out earned me to me i don't necessarily think the amount of money a woman

04:25:06.200 makes necessarily means that there's going to be difficulties in the relationship necessarily yeah

04:25:13.440 i'm not saying but to some degree don't you think it would be kind of fucking dope like let's say

04:25:18.300 your your like your girlfriend was extremely competent in some way and she was just more

04:25:25.060 capable of securing resources than you were but she was fuck i'm kind of painting no i'm like i'm

04:25:31.560 picking up what you're putting down i mean like let's say you get to you get to stay home and i know

04:25:35.220 you're a surfer chase surfing work doesn't really i i surf you know well when i was in that's another i

04:25:40.640 used to surf in any case um bro it's firing at ring con dude and instead of you you get to just go

04:25:46.600 to ring con and surf while your your wife works 80 hours a week and you can just surf bro that'd be

04:25:52.940 pretty dope right no no absolutely not i don't want my wife to have to work 80 hours a week bro

04:25:58.880 okay fine fine i would want i would want i would want is this a no that's like the most that's the

04:26:03.680 most like peter pan lifestyle i've ever heard bro i would want rather than her working 80 hours a week

04:26:08.420 i would rather her be home with our kids and with me and i my personal goal is to run a business that's

04:26:14.040 so successful that i can afford to pay for myself and a large family and all of our expenses while

04:26:19.860 operating the business ring con is firing chase ring con is firing you gotta know about it you

04:26:25.480 gotta think no dude i'm not gonna i'm not going to work my wife like a slave so i can go surf dude

04:26:32.080 what i would you gotta think the queen of the coast i thought you called yourself a businessman

04:26:36.080 you gotta build a business that runs itself chase chase your wife your wife could run herself you know

04:26:41.560 what supersedes business chase getting some fucking tubes dude just yeah tubes tubes are nice but i'm

04:26:47.220 not i'm not trying to i'm not trying to work my wife so i can just go what are you fighting here

04:26:52.040 though like let's say let's say let's say i'm sorry i'm derailing the conversation for instance that

04:26:57.240 most of the women in the united states suddenly went and got 80 hour a week jobs whether men stayed

04:27:03.460 home and surfed you're really complaining because that would never happen ever never savannah i think i'm

04:27:09.580 picking up on what you're putting down if you want to financially support me at the current my

04:27:15.340 current lifestyle where i'm at where i can just lay back bless you and and surf and not have to work

04:27:22.180 we could arrange something i'm just saying can i add to that can i yeah yeah go ahead

04:27:30.380 oh sorry sorry i was that like a request or was that i mean it's more of a hypothetical

04:27:37.500 i mean he's asking will you be a sugar will you be a sugar mama good it's good at surfing yeah

04:27:45.100 i'm not trying to be a professional i'm wait are you saying are you saying are you saying if he's

04:27:49.380 really good at surfing you would do it for him yeah no i'm a soul that's like hot and you're down

04:27:53.360 to provide for him no i'm not i don't want to be a competitive surfer i want i'm a soul surfer

04:27:57.360 bro this is your ticket she's saying if you get good at surfing she's down to be a sugar mama

04:28:01.260 and you do like a cool flip or something i can i know how to do like all right all the all the

04:28:04.980 bros watching you just you just heard the ticket if you're a good surfer she will be your sugar mama

04:28:09.540 no exactly real i have a question yeah what's that so like picking you off that obviously

04:28:14.420 are you trying to put your ticket in the hat so in my past last two relationships i was the provider

04:28:20.800 yes because as a stripper you would assume i'm yeah so my allowance is ten thousand dollars a month

04:28:25.080 so minimum minimum can you handle that that's my allowance uh so my thing is let me let me give

04:28:32.760 so like a lot of men obviously are against sex like sex work strippers whatever you know i understand

04:28:37.640 why but um i've dated my exes you know i've dated them and as a stripper i was provider i take care of

04:28:42.260 myself and i pay my own bills and i was able to support having another human in my life i put food

04:28:47.120 on the table i took care of everything you know but a lot of men are against the whole stripper aspect

04:28:51.060 but me it's like okay so this man just paid for a thousand dollar lap dance with me right

04:28:54.940 and i just put five hundred dollars down to get you whatever you want like think of it another

04:28:59.460 man paying for our dates or whatever you know but wait i don't think that would make most men feel

04:29:04.220 are you where are you arriving are you right what so huh what's the question so i was just trying to

04:29:09.040 piggyback off that like the whole like woman being a provider instead of the man you know like i've done

04:29:13.400 it before and i get 50 of your only fans earnings i don't have an only fan okay and your stripper

04:29:18.460 earnings i get a 10 000 i get a 10 000 allowance i'm being a bit okay i get it oh are we negotiating

04:29:28.160 here 10 000 a month allowance plus 50 percent of your earnings no i was gonna ask it completely

04:29:33.180 okay all right shit okay lord have mercy we must stay focused video and i'll consider it

04:29:39.920 okay okay good surfing moves is that if he could shred yeah yeah exactly shred noir yeah yeah yeah

04:29:51.640 yeah get totally pitted do y'all think it's like a little zesty do y'all think it's a little zesty

04:29:57.420 to like wash your ass in the shower zesty what does this mean uh it's like yeah basically no that's

04:30:03.740 is it what it's homosexual is it gay fellas is it gay to keep yourself clean when you're showering

04:30:11.100 no that's just that's just hygiene you don't wash your ass i've literally heard so many guys that are

04:30:16.780 like i don't wash my ass in the shower that's that's just you're turned off by men who wash their

04:30:21.720 ass no i'm turned on by that well no i mean no i don't i don't think it's quote-unquote zesty for uh

04:30:31.840 be hygienic i think i'll double down on this baby wipes not just tp you got to use baby wipes too if

04:30:38.620 you're wiping you know do you like do you like shave it too bro i think i think it's no absolutely

04:30:43.960 not i was kind of sold i think it's quote-unquote zesty for dudes to accumulate dingleberries

04:30:49.100 wait that's what's zesty is this a whatever exclusive chase gets waxed what no you shave down

04:30:56.420 there i uh i just properly shower when i shower is what i'm saying like if you if you're if you

04:31:02.520 don't wash yourself in the shower you will are you trying to say dingleberries sick so would y'all

04:31:07.400 date a sex worker that meant you could stay home and do whatever you want huh what would y'all date

04:31:11.340 a sex worker stripper or whatever it meant you could stay home and do whatever you want absolutely not

04:31:16.100 and get the allowance you wanted no absolutely not that's like the most hesitating that's like

04:31:19.920 the most cuck thing in the world brian hesitating bro are you seriously down to cuck like that

04:31:25.520 you're like you're like i will not date a sex worker but if she's paying for everything i'll

04:31:33.480 compromise on my values you're like the money think about the money right

04:31:39.800 you've heard me say this before you've heard me say this before i said i would consider i've never

04:31:46.860 dated or even hooked up with a girl who does only fans or anything like that so long as she's never

04:31:52.460 done bg content i said if she does solo content maybe it's going to be very difficult for me i might

04:31:59.320 not be able to do it it might be tough you know i might you know i don't know if i could do it but if

04:32:04.720 she's paying for everything and you're madly in love with her i need again ten thousand dollar

04:32:10.580 allowance yeah ten thousand dollar allowance fifty percent of her earnings

04:32:14.100 i don't know that's a tough one no that shit's gross i'm sorry i'm sorry

04:32:19.820 it's degenerate it's degenerate and immoral like no that shit's gross

04:32:26.780 colleen donated 99 bunny i noticed you're wearing a benedictine cross she's not here let's just not

04:32:33.120 read it yeah let's not read it while she's we'll pull it i'll pull it back up um

04:32:37.460 so that's a good good comment yes truthfully i i i don't

04:32:44.620 nobody yeah how's how long has bunny been gone

04:32:51.720 okay yeah well i'll pull it back up in a little bit i took my 10 minute wait oh we had to do oh

04:33:03.280 yeah did we unmute wait we should we should read that last super chat somebody paid like 100 bucks

04:33:07.820 for that wait the which one we should read it out loud the last one that we just had up on the screen

04:33:12.260 oh hold on somebody said brian you need to stop and check on the first girl at the table she's

04:33:17.600 passing the f out bro i girl number two nobody is buying what you're selling girl number four

04:33:22.480 you're extremely beautiful beautiful p.s first time caller thanks for the super chat wisconsin dude

04:33:27.000 welcome welcome wisconsin snow dog thank you man you hear that said you're extremely beautiful oh

04:33:32.260 extremely beautiful i appreciate that first time caller that means like the the first first super chat

04:33:38.340 oh okay thank you yeah all right um and let me see if these there's any other chats

04:33:44.440 here um okay i had more notes wait we were oh okay for you uh let's see here

04:33:51.240 summer you said i'm very feminist yes i think the majority of issues these are your words i think

04:34:01.340 the majority of issues within relationships stems from men and or patriarchal social norms which i'd be

04:34:07.640 happy to discuss you said the majority of issues within relationships stems from men

04:34:14.260 and or patriarchal social norms um would and just i want to dive into that but would you also say

04:34:23.260 that the majority of issues in society and life broadly speaking stem from men and or patriarchal social norms

04:34:31.380 so maybe not life issues as much as with you know within heterosexual relationships

04:34:41.140 um so men are the fault men are at fault in romantic relationships what i said is the men and or

04:34:47.940 patriarchal social issues okay but you said the majority of issues within relationships stems from

04:34:54.220 men yes the majority meaning not all of them but i do believe that you know women can be toxic like

04:35:00.940 she was discussing um but men are more toxic not necessarily but i do believe you know in a lot of

04:35:08.460 their relationships that i've seen brady bird donated two hundred dollars cases on the longest undefeated

04:35:15.880 run in history to the women on the panel would you date a guy who works out of town for four to six

04:35:21.200 months out of the year case you ever read surfing for god hashtag christie's lord yo thanks for uh thanks for

04:35:28.580 compliment bro no i've i've i haven't read it but i've heard really good things about that book

04:35:33.040 okay so to the women on the panel would you date a guy who works out of town for four to six months

04:35:38.640 out of the year here starting with you would you date a guy who works out of town four to six months

04:35:44.240 out of the year no what does he do it doesn't just then no would you yeah yeah depending on salary

04:35:53.200 okay so what would the threshold be excuse me just like um the same amount as what i would make

04:36:00.100 okay um i mean would i be able to see them while they're traveling probably not he's probably not

04:36:07.020 um i mean it kind of depends most of the uh relationships i've done i travel a lot so they

04:36:13.500 have kind of been long distance um wait you travel a lot or they do no i do well usually

04:36:18.940 red flag they might what what's that a red flag i have to i have to for like social media but

04:36:24.660 word um yeah so maybe um yes i've dated marines like i've stated and they've been on deployments

04:36:31.880 for six months or longer so i've done it before it's not an issue it depends on if we had children

04:36:36.880 or not can you expand on that uh children need their father so if you don't have children with him

04:36:44.760 you would yes gotcha but you wouldn't consider marrying and having kids with somebody who had

04:36:50.360 that kind of lifestyle well depend like would it be able to change in the future let's say for the

04:36:55.700 next five years probably not uh well i mean i'm 26 i have plenty of time to have children if i wanted

04:37:01.520 to okay well i'm not dating but as a married woman it's not really an option for us well when when you

04:37:08.720 were dating would you consider that oh gosh that was like a decade ago i don't know i really i probably

04:37:14.200 not yeah yeah well you were attempting to answer you saying the majority of issues within relationships

04:37:20.680 stems from men how so and or patriarchal how so um so the major issue that i encountered whenever i was

04:37:30.900 in my committed relationship was his um lack of ability to express his feelings in a healthy way

04:37:38.300 um and to actively listen um and then put what he heard from me into action in our relationship

04:37:47.500 and i believe that those issues it's always just me me me like what these are my issues yeah no i get

04:37:55.000 it but i guess what i'm what i'm going to interject and say is this is what i always hear even on all

04:38:00.480 these panels which is that these problems stem from the patriarchy they stem from men right what's the

04:38:07.720 problem he doesn't listen to me he doesn't do what i want period he has emotional intelligence

04:38:13.860 issues which came from his family dynamic which was impacted by patriarchal structures that we have

04:38:21.080 in our society what is emotional intelligence what is that emotional intelligence is the ability to

04:38:26.740 actively listen and to use empathy on a regular basis and why does he need to have high emotional

04:38:33.960 intelligence in order to have a relationship a healthy a healthy relationship what was your name

04:38:39.220 again so my name on there is summer um that was my first answer what do you want me to call you

04:38:45.700 what's your name you can either call me summer or caitlin yeah whichever one is fine all right um

04:38:50.460 summer i you know i was listening i was listening to your story at the beginning of the podcast

04:38:54.560 about what happened with that guy that you were dating and all that and then i asked the follow-up

04:38:59.580 question what your relationship was like with your father and you told me now it's good but

04:39:03.200 before it wasn't so great you also mentioned i'm gonna take this somewhere two hundred dollars

04:39:10.940 heavy equipment operator in alaska spent the summer building an airport about 120k for around five-ish

04:39:18.820 months of work potential office job later in korea surfing for god is a great book highly suggest

04:39:25.820 dope that's a great job um also thank you for the recommendation man i uh yeah i've heard i've heard

04:39:33.400 a lot of people recommend it i'll i'll look into it um so where i was going with this so a moment ago

04:39:41.640 you said that you know patriarchy and men these are the problems within relationships would you say

04:39:46.980 that's accurate yep okay can i share with you my take on what your problem may be instead okay okay i don't

04:39:55.020 think it's i don't think it's rooting in patriarchy or men or any of these things what i would speculate

04:40:01.920 based on your relationship with your father and what you described earlier in the podcast about the

04:40:08.260 fact that you have a deep longing for love inside of your heart like you really really crave being

04:40:13.400 loved by a man this is super common in women who haven't had i mean all women want to generally

04:40:19.880 speaking all women want to be deeply loved by a man as long as they're straight right um women who

04:40:27.200 have father wounds tend to not have the how can i put this like the craving is deeper it's almost like

04:40:35.800 they'll do anything to fill that that hole within them that their father left right women who have

04:40:40.740 really healthy relationships with their fathers typically don't put up with bad behavior for men or men

04:40:46.580 who don't treat them properly one of the patterns that i've noticed in women who have daddy issues

04:40:52.780 is that they'll go for men who don't treat them very well and it's it's ironic because a lot of women

04:40:58.900 with daddy issues they'll be pursued by good guys but they almost have this like subconscious desire to act

04:41:06.240 out their drama with their daddy in their mind and they'll they'll end up with guys that treat them like

04:41:11.180 crap instead because it's almost like well he's treating me bad and my dad treated me bad and i want

04:41:16.540 to see if i can try and secure this man's love right this is a pattern that i've noticed in women

04:41:21.080 what you were describing in your relationship with that guy is you pushed really hard to try and secure

04:41:28.420 his love and his commitment and all these things right yeah like you were you were all in within that

04:41:35.420 first month right we had conversations that kind of pushed me to be all in so like it wasn't just

04:41:41.740 me right he told you like he was super into you yes right right now okay so about that let me ask

04:41:46.700 you this how much of that do you think was legit and how much of that do you think was to get in

04:41:50.760 your pants don't know that's and a lot of women find themselves in that position they don't know

04:41:56.880 see this is the thing and brian's made this point many times on the show and it's a fantastic point

04:42:01.880 a lot of men will say whatever it takes to get into a woman's pants there's a lot of dudes out there

04:42:09.720 that will just like lie and manipulate so that they can get some pussy he was already in my pants

04:42:15.280 whenever you know this all this stuff started so i'm not sure like he didn't have to do all the

04:42:19.540 extra stuff to remain in my pants right to be honest okay so how much how much of what he was

04:42:25.200 expressing to you hold on how much of what he was expressing to you do you think was legit

04:42:29.080 if i just have his actions in the way that he treated me i would say it was very legit now if

04:42:36.180 he had you know if he was very thorough in his actions in manipulating me i mean he could have

04:42:43.160 been manipulating me but i don't know there's no way that i can read his mind right okay can i offer

04:42:48.460 you a piece of advice because i'm sure you're probably heartbroken after how all that went down

04:42:52.300 you can offer it you know okay the piece of advice that i want to offer you is and it's hard because

04:42:59.140 with the unique wounding that you have from you know your relationship with your father and just your

04:43:03.800 life experience and whatever don't offer yourself and your heart so quickly to a man even if you

04:43:11.040 really like him my therapist said the same thing i can't even lie it's it's important this a lot of

04:43:16.940 women make this mistake a lot of women will give themselves fully to a man right off the bat regardless

04:43:22.800 of whether or not he deserves it yes and what i can tell you as a man is it's very satisfying if

04:43:28.800 there's a girl that i really like it's very satisfying for me to have to pursue her and to

04:43:34.560 work to earn her heart and to then earn it yeah okay but but when a woman gives herself immediately

04:43:41.460 all of herself to a man there's a lot of guys out there that will take advantage of that and i see a

04:43:46.680 lot of girls get hurt as a result of this yeah you're not wrong you're absolutely right honestly

04:43:52.120 and but i don't think i was wrong in wanting to be loved you weren't you weren't acting in a way that

04:44:00.440 you know yeah i don't i don't think i don't think you were wrong at all in wanting to be loved

04:44:06.600 what i would say where you went wrong is giving yourself fully to a man who didn't deserve you

04:44:11.940 fully i should have set boundaries with myself yeah absolutely i would i would say you also should

04:44:18.140 have made him work for your love a little bit harder you know i'm 19 you know i know we live

04:44:24.740 we live and we learn yeah but it's it's a common mistake that i see women make and it sucks because

04:44:29.900 it leaves a lot of women super heartbroken after the fact it does yeah i don't gotta pull up a chat

04:44:35.220 here while she was gone this one came up colleen thank you colleen bunny i noticed you're wearing a

04:44:40.700 benedictine i mispronounced that cross which is used for exorcisms in the catholic church did you

04:44:47.480 know this and why are you wearing it chase's charity needs to rub off on the other men

04:44:52.500 wait what

04:44:53.440 i it i literally said you're i i just have a question uh okay modest hikima donated two hundred dollars

04:45:01.980 wait what interested to know if girls four comma five comma six comma seven would date a healthy

04:45:07.500 dad bod man that makes six figures also interested in girls one comma two comma three to stop talking

04:45:14.260 forever brick son legit wtf is this show grid one left lamal yeah um okay so his question to these

04:45:24.200 ladies right here was would you guys date a healthy dad bod man that makes six figures six figures would

04:45:29.700 you uh if he's funny he gets some you know good personality this is healthy dad bod is he going

04:45:36.660 to the gym it's like he's not like disgusting but like he's still got a dad for me i think you read

04:45:43.280 my dating app profile it's a requirement for a man to go to the gym if he's gonna date me i don't care

04:45:47.160 if you make six figures or not requirement it is because i'm big into the gym so i want someone that

04:45:51.220 goes okay so that's a no if i've the dad bod if he is in the gym i don't know he just said healthy

04:45:56.680 dad but what i don't know what healthy dad bod even means it's just a dad bod he doesn't look like

04:46:00.840 fit or anything yeah i like dad bods you really yeah i mean it shows that they're not too into

04:46:09.500 their appearance like they're not like super super into it because i've got a fucking dad bod right

04:46:14.820 now bro i'm slacking i'm slacking some on bro fat like i still want like i still go to the gym and

04:46:21.060 like i want them to be able to go to the gym with me and stuff but like they don't need to be like

04:46:24.720 ripped in fact i don't find that attractive at all when guys are super into their appearance

04:46:28.900 like that like the shredded meatballs at the gym and stuff like they scare me shredded meatballs

04:46:33.220 i'm working on it i'm trying not to have a dad bod i'm trying to not have a dad bod but i would say

04:46:38.280 you have the option of answering it whether you want to it's been a complicated journey don't like

04:46:42.440 the dad bod i'm sorry i don't see the hype i i apologize and not knocking you brian but i'm

04:46:48.400 working on it though i'm trying to you know i my i stress eat you know so i've gotten a little

04:46:52.960 chubby i'm working on it though if you guys want to call me fat that's that's cool thanks i talk

04:46:57.780 too much but i i like fat boys i'm in i'm in a fat boy era all different body types i'm body

04:47:05.960 positivity for all oh god okay no but for real personality since y'all didn't ask by the way but

04:47:12.980 since i talk too much good times good times well okay so here we need to do that thing um bunny

04:47:21.420 people in the chat bunny people in the chat have been wondering about it are you under the

04:47:28.360 influence of any drugs no i think i might be into the mic please it's a really long podcast a little

04:47:37.720 what into the mic please i think i might be a little narcoleptic what does that mean

04:47:43.560 like you're a sleepwalker i get tired when i get stressed oh okay and then i get kind of tired

04:47:51.020 because there's been a few times where your eyes have been like i know i my apologies yeah it's no

04:47:57.340 no apology needed i'm just concerned oh no i'm just concerned i don't know if you're good

04:48:03.500 i think i just have like not on drugs not on drugs you promise me it's also a five hour

04:48:10.120 podcast do you promise i'm have you been on drugs you're oh you were about to admit you've been on

04:48:14.260 drugs you've been on drugs it's a five hour podcast i'm like amphetamines what what did you take

04:48:18.320 amphetamines no i'm asking did did you take on drugs before the show or during the show

04:48:23.780 what is that i'm just out you if it's no that's kind of i'm kind of curious too have you been under

04:48:29.440 the influence of any substances do i seem under the influence no i'm just asking if you did earlier

04:48:32.880 in the conversation you kind of did to be honest with you for sure oh well i'm i was anxious did you

04:48:37.900 pop a zan no no no cross your heart and hope to die well i take i take medication for my anxiety

04:48:46.520 which makes me kind of sleepy that's i'm prescribed like it's like prozac or something half a zan

04:48:53.420 and then i'm out for the flight what's that how's that song good you know what never mind i don't

04:48:57.600 is it a drake song travis scott nick do you know it what is it out of curiosity oh sycamore out of

04:49:02.420 curiosity is anybody else at this table on ssris no i'm not personal question yeah i i didn't i would

04:49:09.380 i would have preferred not to ask that but you guys were like interrogating me and i didn't seem

04:49:14.080 like i don't feel like i seem like i was here we have a question earlier earlier in the conversation

04:49:18.040 there were a few moments where i was curious but we have a question from actually wait no just i i

04:49:23.360 was curious if you were on something that was slowing your cognition because you said that word

04:49:27.520 that you weren't supposed to say then we called you out on it then 20 you said you understood then

04:49:31.380 20 seconds later i was anxious and so i wasn't really like listening at the beginning okay

04:49:37.260 nick can you pull up that chat from spyro

04:49:39.620 bender the offender donated two hundred dollars one ladies what do you value more money or family

04:49:53.640 okay i'll pull that chat that question we'll go around the table go ahead

04:49:56.660 um in what sense which do you value more money or family you sure you're not on

04:50:05.440 no like no i'm literally just asking like

04:50:08.540 because to have a family you need to have some sort of base wait next somebody's in there

04:50:14.460 go ahead go ahead which do you want more and that would imply you're a good family most

04:50:20.220 huh so you're saying that the necessary precondition for a family is money is to have the money to

04:50:26.620 support so then that would imply that you that family is the highest value right yeah family is the

04:50:31.600 highest value okay what do you value more money or family go ahead um well i don't really want to

04:50:37.740 have a family until i'm in my late 30s to 30s do you want to have kids i want to adopt i you don't

04:50:43.800 want to have your own kids i have my own personal reasons i would that's totally fine but i was just

04:50:48.380 but i yeah i'm not gonna have children okay but i want to adopt in the future but okay yeah no

04:50:53.880 um i mean it is kind of tough because you kind of need like both or whatever right but what do

04:51:00.920 you value more obviously family like i'd rather be broke sure family um so i'm not close to my

04:51:06.500 family so i don't really have a good sense of like what family is so right right now it is money but i

04:51:11.960 would be willing to give up the money to have like a family you know i see respect what you um respect

04:51:17.580 what do you value more money or family

04:51:19.760 family wholesome family wholesome family wholesome yeah the family of course oh yeah that was family

04:51:34.460 family family uh go ahead nick if you need to uh spyro floropolis chase let andrew cook stop jumping in

04:51:42.440 he doesn't need help to destroy dgens don't tell me what to do spyro come and make me also i love

04:51:49.840 hearing andrew cook he's a fantastic cook uh thank you for the canadian 200 man merci beaucoup oh shit

04:51:55.580 and i needed nick to pull that up um that's not going to work well before we get into that question

04:52:00.900 um how long is this podcast we're gonna wrap pretty soon don't worry i got i got you don't worry

04:52:08.340 boo my back hurts mine too call me boo yeah are you low-key attracted to him now probably not i'm

04:52:15.740 just putting a lot of tension between you no i'm not gonna say anything because he's gonna slam dunk

04:52:21.920 me how am i gonna he'll slam dunk me i don't i'm not if you don't want to date me i mean i if i don't

04:52:28.940 really don't you have a girlfriend brian stop wait would you if you didn't i would

04:52:34.200 i might consider i highly doubt we have we have different opinions i'm not i'm not asian or

04:52:44.900 five one like he how tall are you though i'm five seven oh she's way too tall for you bro yeah but

04:52:50.720 that's above average female height i feel like the joke only works if she's like five two it's only

04:52:55.600 like yeah what how tall are you six for one okay no okay yeah brian you got my instagram so

04:53:01.820 oh oh i thought we hated man come on

04:53:06.460 uh nick can you pull up we love and we love and we hate there is an underlying vibe that whole time

04:53:15.620 while you guys were arguing back and forth and now it's finally revealed itself chase is trying to set

04:53:20.180 something it's the enemies to lovers arc you guys okay uh ask everyone ask everyone to rate

04:53:28.440 their looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you we'll go around the table go ahead um

04:53:32.640 nine point three nine point three okay i don't really want to answer why why's that i don't have a

04:53:44.120 self-image i mean i i like to think that i'm pretty but then there's like pictures of me that i'm like

04:53:49.600 how do you feel right now like um like a eight eight or nine depending on the angle that i catch

04:53:59.680 myself at okay i like this angle right here okay yeah you look good thank you i would say like a

04:54:07.340 like an eight nine like not a full time because everyone has a different type so i'm like probably

04:54:14.480 probably like an eight and a half okay damn i guess we all going with the same answers um like

04:54:21.280 eight on a good day yeah i would say like an eight or eight and a half i'd say like a seven and a half

04:54:27.600 yeah say like a seven oh ask everyone what's what's your rating right five i rachel thinks he's a

04:54:37.680 ten rachel knows he's a ten that's true rachel my wife thinks she's supposed to think that yeah yeah

04:54:42.400 yeah i'd give myself seven and a half eight on a good day give myself a six six and a half on a

04:54:48.720 good day um wait you're six and a half six then i'm seven wow okay well played that's right

04:54:57.200 sorry all right what else do we got we have let's see hold on uh oh we should have gotten into this

04:55:06.680 last show but we didn't chase a tts came in last show that we kind of glanced over the question was

04:55:11.780 chase would you rather date the world's oldest woman wait fuck how does it go the world's oldest

04:55:19.380 sleep with excuse me sleep with the world's oldest woman or the world's hottest trans woman is that how

04:55:25.160 it goes that is correct which one chase honestly bro i'd rather sleep with the oldest woman in the

04:55:31.500 world because then i wouldn't be gay what if the trans woman has like a straight up vagina like that is

04:55:37.840 it's not still a dude and it's definitely not a real vagina yeah it's like a gaping wound but it's

04:55:44.360 like a it's like it's like a pocket pussy but like nope here let me let me go so i'll go around the

04:55:52.280 table that's what i've heard we can we can get into the it's like a gaping wound they literally have

04:55:56.460 to dilate it to prevent it did you look it up no i haven't looked it up but i've seen i've seen them

04:56:01.940 i've seen so many people online talk about it and they're like trans women and they talk about how

04:56:06.340 they have to dilate it every day and sometimes it'll rupture and like blood and it's really

04:56:10.140 scary to get those operations pouring in that's a yikes yeah that's disgusting so my question for

04:56:15.760 the panel is um after the chat donated two hundred dollars chase all i'm saying is women typically

04:56:23.560 prattle but so can you yeah you know what bro i i can be long-winded but i also was trying to impart

04:56:30.480 some healthy wisdom to a young woman who uh needed to hear it so i'm sorry i bored you bro but i'm

04:56:37.020 trying to leave a positive impact so my question for all of you guys is um do you object to men not

04:56:44.560 wanting to date someone who's trans would you object to that starting with you me um as long as he's not

04:56:54.060 sitting there talking about like all the reasons why he shouldn't he wouldn't want to date a trans

04:56:58.520 person okay if he doesn't want to fuck a trans person then that is his preference what about you i think

04:57:05.920 a gen a genital preference is valid i do not think that um

04:57:12.220 like if you're straight

04:57:16.680 how do i phrase genital preference i think that's valid let's i'll just keep it at that what about a

04:57:25.360 preference of like gender and sex biological sex he prefers to date females yes biological females

04:57:32.980 i don't just prefer to date biological i will only date biological right super straight yeah i don't

04:57:40.960 think look i haven't felt the inside of a transgender vagina so i don't know if it's the

04:57:45.740 same i have to be direct right i mean it isn't the same biologically biologically i know there's no

04:57:52.320 cervix do you there's no do you need to do it to know that it's not the same well i know it's not

04:57:57.520 biologically the same just like she was just explaining but like they have a prostate she needs

04:58:01.840 the stats it doesn't it's there's no way it feels i have no idea i don't think there's any

04:58:07.480 possible way a surgeon like that's what it is apart someone's body a mouth is the same tissue

04:58:13.780 has the same the internal of a mouth has the same tissue as a vagina so i don't know it's not a

04:58:18.080 vagina where'd you hear that of course i'm being safe have you felt like inside of my mouth and

04:58:23.560 then felt it inside a vagina it's like not like maybe not the same i think you guys could answer

04:58:29.480 that for us do they feel exactly the same i i wouldn't say they feel exactly the same

04:58:34.340 similar texturally pretty close wait it's mouth and pussy and yeah very different

04:58:39.900 feel the side of your cheek i wouldn't say it's very different i'd say it's fairly close no i would

04:58:46.220 say it feels very different feel the side of your cheek this conversation right now it took a turn

04:58:53.980 here but okay we'll go around let's get everybody's take on this uh do you elsewhere do you object

04:59:00.740 do you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman i mean i like open-minded people

04:59:09.500 i understand people have genital preferences so i'm not gonna shame that but i mean but what

04:59:16.980 i mean it i the genital preference thing is it's a you know i'm it's valid to me um but yeah i just

04:59:26.720 i don't i'm not gonna say someone's transphobic but most people i mean i feel like that i've had

04:59:32.380 conversations that are very excuse me transphobic so i just don't appreciate the shaming of trans

04:59:40.220 people because of that of the preference but i like i understand the preference but being kind of

04:59:48.580 bigoted towards trans people i just don't like that part of it because it's kind of goes hand in

04:59:54.480 hand most of the time what did you have something to add really quick really quick and then i'm

05:00:01.800 gonna go ahead i believe that trans women are women so that it would kind of object okay or provide

05:00:07.180 an objection can actually i want to get everybody's answers i want to get everybody's answers but we'll

05:00:11.220 go into that go ahead uh i mean personally i kind of think it's just like stupid like to even care

05:00:16.260 about someone's preference like someone could go want to fuck a light bulb and i'll die them up

05:00:20.240 you know grid one i'm actually against donated two hundred dollars why are we still talking to

05:00:26.420 the hippie stripper there is nfw as a straight man i am going to be okay kissing another dude no matter

05:00:32.620 how much makeup he has on i'm a hippie stripper guys that's like the best real real couldn't agree

05:00:42.840 i'd love to hang out with grid one he seems like a cool guy he sounds like a fucking legend he's got

05:00:51.340 jokes dude he is a fucking you guys need to invite patrick bateman on the pod you mean the fictional

05:00:59.480 character played by christian bale who's not actually a real person yes absolutely i think you

05:01:04.820 should invite his assistant on the pod to ask her exactly how much she makes so that we can get down

05:01:09.620 to the bottom of this wage gap okay yes and then that that will be the real truth and then you guys

05:01:15.240 i i will take the opposite the actual red pill from the matrix like the premise of the red stop it which

05:01:23.180 is not get some help you need like the wait so okay where were we i think were you answering you're

05:01:30.200 saying something about fucking light bulbs i think um no i basically just said you know like

05:01:36.320 i i don't even think it should be like a topic like people have their own progress and it's like

05:01:40.880 it doesn't even matter so like if you'd be chill with like dating a guy who had only slept with

05:01:46.280 transformers before he met you honestly like i would cosplay you know as optimus prime period period i

05:01:54.620 wouldn't mind either that's i've got if there was a man that i dated that only did trans or not only

05:02:01.100 it just dated trans women yeah no yeah no he didn't uh i thought you were using that i was using no

05:02:07.660 euphemism for like go ahead and transgender people no i think everyone's entitled to their preferences

05:02:12.620 okay based absolutely not because that would make him gay and i'm not attracted to gay men

05:02:18.220 no i don't object

05:02:21.820 why am i based what why did you call me based because you said no it's fine people can have

05:02:28.240 their preferences but wait no that that isn't based if i may is that based or not i'm so tired

05:02:33.380 at this point i think we're getting the question mixed up yeah i said no i would not date a man

05:02:39.160 that would fuck a trans person were you saying were you saying you would and people are entitled to

05:02:47.040 their own preferences would you object to a man that doesn't want to yeah no that is that is the

05:02:50.760 question that is the question you are answering would you date hell no hold on modest hikima donated

05:02:56.420 200 this is the rating from modest to right one comma three comma three comma nine comma seven comma

05:03:03.060 six comma eight eight maddie i don't rate men so ladies please define woman without using the word

05:03:11.400 woman in other words what is a woman sure we'll get into that so we'll i'll get right into that

05:03:16.460 so what were you saying before you were saying what trans women are women okay so what that begs

05:03:22.400 the question what is a woman an individual who has

05:03:26.840 experiences within a society

05:03:31.460 that reflect womanhood yeah womanhood is not you already you already had what is aggressive

05:03:38.580 definition yeah what is what is what is what is what is no no not a progressive definition

05:03:43.940 a regressive definition okay i'm sorry so it's regressive before we we respond i actually want

05:03:50.900 to get the whole let every girl answer this question so did you want to add more or um come back to me

05:03:56.900 and i'll okay think so while we're going through think about what womanhood is so what is a woman

05:04:02.200 um what is a woman like definition wise sure um into the mic please

05:04:09.500 are you googling it it's like a hard question she's googling it um okay that's a hard question

05:04:19.140 all right there's many different definitions from people webster's or oxford which one are we talking

05:04:24.380 here miriams is a good source i like miriams dictionary that's a good one i think oxford um

05:04:31.820 well if we're going off of like the definition that started when the dictionary started we're going

05:04:41.880 off someone who was born with xy chromosomes and um xy is male xy is male xx is okay yeah sorry i don't

05:04:51.820 i forgot science apology accepted apology accepted thank you um but yeah someone who is born with

05:05:00.540 certain chromosomes is a woman some are born with chromosomes that makes them a man based what about

05:05:06.140 you um i prefer not to answer the question because i live for the dolls so i i gotta you what i gotta

05:05:13.080 stick for i gotta stick with the okay well living living for the dolls keeping them in mind what is a

05:05:19.080 woman um i believe i believe it's someone who presents themselves sightedly as a woman what but

05:05:27.560 what is a woman as a what does it mean to present as a woman i would prefer not to answer that question

05:05:33.580 why because it is a it's a black and white answer that or not it's not a black and white answer for

05:05:42.080 me and i just don't want to be on the top do you have do you have something honestly i feel like this

05:05:48.880 is not as progressive as i want it to be but i'm not 100 you know there's gonna be no middle ground

05:05:57.180 when i say what my answer so i just prefer not to wait just let her finish please go ahead yeah um i

05:06:02.840 guess maybe being a trans woman is not being a woman but simply because of the experiences so i defined

05:06:09.020 as having the experiences of womanhood trans womanhood and cisgender womanhood you guys know

05:06:16.920 what cisgender is right yes okay okay deeply offensive word by the way how dare you how dare

05:06:22.420 you okay refer to us as cis all right i'm offended i refer to myself we're messing with you trans

05:06:27.980 womanhood um very two very different experiences you know the transgender woman probably grew up as

05:06:36.120 a boy so they're they have so many different experiences now if they are cisgender passing

05:06:44.100 after they transition they might have a lot of similar experiences minus not having well the question

05:06:50.940 is what is a woman i know that's why i said i took back my answer yeah but you realize the limitations

05:06:56.960 with what you're saying let's just let all the girls answer first so what what is a woman

05:07:00.920 an individual who has the experience of womanhood and womanhood is experiencing sorry excuse me

05:07:09.980 sexism on a regular basis that's that's womanhood wait wait wait hold on wait wait based on the

05:07:17.780 tweets that i heard earlier based on the tweets that i heard earlier during this podcast i have been

05:07:22.880 the recipient of sexism tonight are you telling me i've experienced womanhood you've experienced yeah

05:07:28.720 you're one of the dolls now oh shit yeah you're a girl you run a transition but so womanhood is the

05:07:34.860 experience of sexism on a daily basis i guess to be more specific sexism from men to women or does

05:07:41.020 that make sure the definition of sexism is what you described earlier was the social are you saying

05:07:47.580 prejudice plus power yes yes well i don't i don't believe that definition i'm just saying i don't

05:07:52.900 believe that definition that you provided okay earlier so right and to reiterate your position

05:07:58.420 is you can't be sexist against men is my understanding with that definition yes with

05:08:04.100 that definition yep okay so you're saying that like all men like for example let's say a woman in a

05:08:10.420 position of power was sexist towards homeless men who have no power would that be sexism like kamala

05:08:18.900 harris was like just like going around like beating the shit out of homeless men because they're homeless

05:08:23.620 men is that sexism she would though is it because she has power let me ask you a question does kamala

05:08:30.180 harris as a woman the vice president of the united states does she have more power than the homeless man

05:08:35.140 yes absolutely but so women are women are capable of having power ergo even using prejudice plus power

05:08:44.020 women can be sexist towards men i don't buy into your use of your definition of sexism but even using

05:08:51.460 your own we can say that women are absolutely capable of being sexist towards men so long as

05:08:57.220 those women have more power than the men they're being sexist towards i guess it depends on what she

05:09:03.140 is acting upon is she acting upon her power as a woman or is she acting on her power as a wealthy

05:09:09.860 individual so in this situation she would be acting the intersection of there is a lot of

05:09:14.740 intersection no offense guys this is like this is a waste of time we should get back to the what is

05:09:18.900 a woman okay sure wait well i think we were we were on sav but she's up getting some water now so

05:09:24.500 what is a woman i mean to keep it concise a woman is a woman that's born a woman from a woman a biological

05:09:31.220 female yeah wait we okay well sav's up so yeah we need you okay what is a woman a human being with xx

05:09:40.740 chromosomes based which you can hide it what is a woman an adult human female with xx chromosomes thank

05:09:50.980 you matt walsh solid sav what is a woman um i don't know that's like a hard question is it though into the

05:10:00.660 mic into the mic please um yeah sorry um do you mean in terms of just like can like a trans woman

05:10:10.660 be a woman no just like what is a woman um i don't know i think it's just the sense of you know um

05:10:19.300 being feminine um you know like motherhood like carrying empathetic traits i feel like it's really

05:10:26.100 hard to summarize what a woman is i feel like it's really not speaking they're talking about

05:10:31.220 by a lot biology completely yeah yeah we're not talking about like what traits like just what is

05:10:37.940 what is a woman yeah not like what does she embody but like so it's basically the basis like

05:10:45.540 is a trans woman a woman essentially yeah they want to that's the context it's a probe probe we're

05:10:52.420 trying to we're basically trying to clarify do you view trans women as real i remember what your

05:10:58.420 your question was your earlier you said a probing question question doesn't go anywhere this question

05:11:04.020 actually means something yeah a lot but it's not going it's not you could just be like are trans women

05:11:08.580 women yeah yeah that's instead of being you could say are trans women women but you could also just

05:11:14.500 ask what are what is a woman well because you guys have had very diverse answers if you if you define

05:11:19.060 it differently than we do right we have a semantic difference yeah then it's actually important for

05:11:25.220 us to reconcile the semantic difference right yeah it's just with these debates where it's a

05:11:32.180 we're in front of a spectacle where we don't have rapport so there's no middle ground so it's like what

05:11:37.700 if i when i want to say something that doesn't mean one of us can't be wrong and one of us can't

05:11:42.180 be right or both of us be wrong or both of us be right so i just don't why do you need rapport to

05:11:47.620 have an uh a logical debate with somebody that's like expert debate like people expert debaters

05:11:54.580 champion debate people win champion debates what what don't like what report do you need to have

05:12:00.900 a logical debate with somebody you it just the way to have a actual debate that goes somewhere that no

05:12:08.420 progresses no you in fact two people who've never met each other ever this conversation is not going to

05:12:14.020 progress this is like we've just had different viewpoints there's been no why wouldn't it progress

05:12:20.500 if there's a logical distinction here that i can demonstrate to you that a woman cannot be a woman

05:12:24.820 because you say it's a woman because it's a woman because that would be regressive progressive

05:12:28.100 progressive progressive progressive and that's your opinion no that's not my opinion i would actually i

05:12:32.900 think that'd be super valuable content make that argument andrew please okay all definitions have to

05:12:37.300 point at something all of them have to point at something so what is a microphone right whatever i say a

05:12:42.980 microphone is has to point at what a microphone actually is so if you don't have to patronize me

05:12:49.460 i know i know continue well i do have to patronize you so if you say that a woman is a woman it's the

05:12:56.100 end of the road like i will leave oh no i don't like i don't it's not my show lady i don't give a

05:13:01.700 shit if you leave i do i do want to hear what i do what i do want to make a point on that i'm not

05:13:06.580 triggered i just don't want to be triggered is if you're looking strictly on the microphone right

05:13:10.980 a microphone hold on hold on so glad i never went to college to get indoctrinated by these ideals

05:13:19.540 the things they teach in these cookie pen and women apart because the establishment knows the nuclear

05:13:24.820 family is a threat to them facts dude well said so you're uneducated am i allowed to leave but i

05:13:30.740 think the one thing you know like what's what's with the attitude i just want to go i don't like

05:13:35.700 this debate which debate the what is a woman debate or i like the because you want to switch

05:13:43.220 to body count we can talk about body count what's your body because i can't i can't body count

05:13:47.300 body count racism on anything racism huh or like any of these debates about like the social

05:13:54.660 like i can't the the socio what just the social the social social social issues because this is a

05:14:01.620 dating show and now we're talking about trans women because because there is to some degree and

05:14:06.340 it's like i can't speak for i can't speak for trans women and i'm not about to and i i have a lot

05:14:11.380 of people in my life that well a lot of people have a lot of opinions on about a lot of things but

05:14:15.620 there had that's why i want to well i don't want to gangry gang what you don't want to i don't want

05:14:21.380 to get upset because i i want to respect everybody in the room but i don't want to give it isn't it

05:14:27.940 your responsibility if you're gonna i would rather just leave yeah if that's the case so i mean i

05:14:33.460 so i will i mean i'm not i'm certainly not going to keep you here but i will say if you feel this

05:14:37.780 strongly about your love for your friends that identify as trans this is absolutely this is a

05:14:42.420 fantastic opportunity for you to make a case for why they are women in your eyes yeah i just i

05:14:47.860 don't want to i we can talk about body count let's talk about body count what's yours and does it

05:14:54.180 matter does body count matter i'm curious okay i'm very curious let's talk about body count okay let's

05:15:00.180 do it i would say probably um what's the first rule of fight club that you always talk about

05:15:11.860 everything that happens in fight club i know i know the i know the quote but um i think up like 15

05:15:21.780 think up like 15 yeah up to the 15 up to 15 and i lost my virginity when i was 14 so

05:15:31.140 okay um that's my scale i so that's my scale who which one of you tweeted about having a something

05:15:38.260 about time to be a ho so wait what was it one of you tweeted something about like time to

05:15:45.060 i was in men back to the roster right something like that um here we'll do body count uh we'll go

05:15:49.780 around the table one should body count matter two what's your body count it shouldn't matter and i

05:15:56.660 don't keep a body count do you range of how many people you've had sexual intercourse with but i just

05:16:05.060 like write down on a list every time i have sex no but you could think well there was that guy that

05:16:09.940 guy that guy there was her that guy that guy like you know you can wait get a reasonable estimate

05:16:15.700 you know reasonable estimate 10 to 20 you could do a range 10 to 20 20 to 30

05:16:25.700 less than 100 more than 100 there's

05:16:32.180 i don't know less less than 100 oh okay that's helpful

05:16:35.700 so zero to 99 zero zero to 99 you guys can figure out from there because i don't know either

05:16:45.380 we have a rule on this podcast if you give a range we have to assume it's the higher end we have to

05:16:50.660 assume like if you say one to 50 we have to say 50 it's 50 then okay if you say so do you want to just

05:16:58.180 tell us the body count no because i don't keep track i don't have like a note is it more here let

05:17:03.140 me ask you is it more than 10 ballpark yeah more than 10 more than 20 i don't know you don't know

05:17:10.900 no were you on xanax for most of these encounters i've been having sex since i was 17. okay all right

05:17:16.820 what about you um i don't think it's important but minus four okay

05:17:26.420 um does body count matter what's your body count i think um it can this guy loves interrupting you

05:17:32.260 by the way yeah thank you jacama don't debate only answer questions with questions the only liberal that

05:17:39.060 debates is destiny and he only gets owned as he did three times on whatever interesting how so hard to

05:17:46.340 define woman all right modest jacama thank you very much man appreciate the comments um go ahead

05:17:52.420 um i think you know like sometimes you know it can be just kind of dependent if you're getting into a

05:17:57.940 serious relationship for me i want them to be extremely loyal if they're exhibiting qualities

05:18:02.900 you know right before we're getting into something they're still talking to people they're doing a lot

05:18:06.740 of hookups just because i'm i don't do that like i personally wouldn't want that in my partner

05:18:12.340 sure um for my body count that's only between me and my future partner but i will give you

05:18:20.500 it's a single digit you can count it on a single hand just so nobody gets any ideas but i don't

05:18:26.500 personally okay all right yeah no i don't think body count matters i haven't asked the man what his

05:18:32.980 body count was in years i think it's more so if someone's being safe and getting tested regularly and what

05:18:38.260 the reviews are on sex but i do prefer monogamy but uh okay so it doesn't matter so what's your body

05:18:45.700 count i don't know i don't keep track of it either range more than 10. you're old how old are you that's

05:18:57.540 not that's not that old i'm 25 i lost my virginity at 19 like okay six years six years yeah uh so what

05:19:06.260 looking at me like that give us i'm just sitting here 20 more than 20. come on be honest if you've

05:19:14.100 lost count it's more than 20. no i just don't feel the need to keep track of that actually i'm not gonna

05:19:17.940 like yeah but you can okay like if i'm just trying if i'm trying to remember all the concerts i've been

05:19:23.140 to i can start counting okay i went to that pearl jam concert i went to see this band this band i might

05:19:28.980 forget a couple of the bands i've seen oh i forgot to i forgot i went to the warp tour etc etc um you can

05:19:35.380 there might be a few you forget but you can start okay there was there was uh roberto there was

05:19:42.340 uh bartholomew there was uh there was um cornelius you can start remembering the the names or like

05:19:52.020 the encounters i don't hook up a lot anymore like i used to anymore but you used you used to hook up a

05:19:57.460 lot i think body count defines who you are in present time

05:20:02.500 so 50. no just be come on just start count like start naming the dudes i'm not gonna name dude

05:20:09.540 here how many how much in the military just in the military how many in the military

05:20:16.260 like 10. 10 in the military and how long were you in the military for a year okay so we're gonna do the

05:20:22.900 math here so 10 in a year lost her virginity at 19 she's now 25 10 per year 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 70 i

05:20:32.740 haven't even fucked 10 guys this year or last year or the year before that so like my total

05:20:37.460 like right but maybe you put all your you got all the numbers at you know i just started hooking up

05:20:44.020 less the last few years i just changed my mindset on but you could you do it like a 10 per year

05:20:48.900 average no no you're like 10 per year what okay so yeah 10 per year average what he's saying but

05:20:53.780 you could have done like 30 at 19 or 20 right okay does that sound accurate no you want it okay

05:21:05.300 range range 20 to 30 40 50 what are we that's not that much right i'll just leave it at that all

05:21:11.380 right what about you uh my body count is three and it absolutely does matter uh that's why so many

05:21:18.500 women don't want to answer the question and that's why they lie about their body count because

05:21:22.660 inherently they know that it does matter and it affects your ability to pair bond

05:21:27.380 do you think that i'm lying about not remembering it i didn't say you were i was just saying most

05:21:32.500 women do no i lied i definitely don't remember yeah yeah like a hundred percent i believe that but i was i

05:21:41.140 knew that someone was gonna say something anyway so i was gonna be i'm i'm gonna say that's why they say

05:21:46.020 you should times it by three i'm not lying though well good for you girl i hope you find a good man

05:21:53.940 me too um i think body count matters especially for men i think that it matters more for men than

05:22:00.740 it does for women um respectfully i'm not going to share my body counts okay between my husband and i

05:22:06.580 and god sure low enough to get married though so low enough to get married so are you saying that if

05:22:12.260 it's the white dress if it's too high can the woman no longer get married or will it make it more

05:22:19.460 difficult for her no i i absolutely think that she can still get married i think that it will be more

05:22:25.220 difficult and i think that's going to narrow down the demographic of the type of man that she's going

05:22:28.820 to get it doesn't have to be so harsh doesn't have to be so hurtful but you absolutely have a choice

05:22:35.860 um and you can you can regret the things that you've done too and choose not to act that way

05:22:43.220 in the future and procure a man that can value you sure amen i agree with that completely you guys can

05:22:50.820 respect her decision to not disclose it but you like want to come on me and her for not yeah yeah

05:22:56.500 but it's just because she's married though too to be fair oh yeah but that's because

05:22:59.860 so like what that's because she has a husband well wait a minute i actually said i'm not going

05:23:05.780 to disclose it you kind of gave them the curiosity so that opens up the conversation to them diving

05:23:11.220 into exactly exactly i was about to say that i said i wasn't good i don't want to like i don't

05:23:18.660 want to disclose it and then you say just give me an estimate just give me an estimate so then i made

05:23:22.740 one up i'm not sure if that's the first statement though she she said it's low enough to get married

05:23:28.500 and she yeah you said you don't know so then i started you know i started well i mean what about

05:23:33.620 i lied you lied at least you can admit it i respect that you you lied as in it's higher than 15 about i

05:23:41.860 i don't i honestly don't keep track i lost my virginity at 14 i've

05:23:48.580 okay so you think i don't i don't think it's i don't think it's that i think it's around like 15.

05:23:54.820 but i think a lot of girls don't count certain bodies like sometimes if it's a one night stand

05:23:58.580 you won't even count that if the sex was bad you won't count that if it was just head you won't

05:24:02.740 count i like don't even want to disclose but i think it's funny but it's like ballpark 15 20 or

05:24:11.060 something like that 15 20 25 maybe yeah i'm trying to be as honest as possible genuinely i like but i

05:24:18.100 i did lie about like yeah because it's definitely higher than 15 but like ballpark word word

05:24:24.820 andrew any thoughts on body count you got any thoughts i've already seen this clip from talking

05:24:28.980 about it wait what i think i've seen that was it was you right what in the clip of you going on some

05:24:34.340 girl because you were okay maybe it wasn't you never mind everybody i you got thoughts on body count

05:24:40.340 does body i thought i've seen him talk about Andrew wilson yeah yeah it matters a lot uh especially seems to

05:24:46.260 Matt it doesn't seem to matter so much on men interestingly enough but it i'm glad you mentioned

05:24:52.580 that because men take it seriously when it comes to women though so women they don't want to they

05:24:57.860 don't want to imagine their holes getting railed that's why men don't like that well no see what it is

05:25:04.020 actually is that women don't care they have a selection bias so what happens is if men have not slept with

05:25:11.940 a woman women think there's something wrong with him it enters into a red flag area for them no i love

05:25:18.260 i love a virgin i literally love a virgin that's just not true not only is it true but there's

05:25:24.500 empirical it's not there's empirical evidence it's true i've taken two virginities as an adult like

05:25:30.180 adult men i've took i've taken yes but that whatever your personal experience is doing something

05:25:36.420 that doesn't mean like it's so that doesn't mean that it's applicable okay to everybody else right

05:25:41.860 doesn't mean it's applicable to everybody else so what what we find is seemingly just just it seems

05:25:48.660 this way that men tend to value virtue and chastity in women a lot more than women value chastity in men

05:25:57.780 i would have to disagree based on what because i disagree about what there's the chastity and

05:26:05.460 like women don't care about chastity men i don't want to date a hoe like a guy who's high but i mean

05:26:13.060 so this is what i mean by like the subjective metric right you if a guy had two like had slept with two

05:26:22.260 women versus he had slept with 10 women yeah what difference does that make to you

05:26:27.780 none then you just made my point for you or for me how did that make your point because if you

05:26:33.860 don't care donated 200 question for the panel what other than three usable holes and an attitude you

05:26:41.140 have to offer in a relationship for the married lady your lovely base description of married life

05:26:46.420 earlier gets you a pass because because if you don't care between the two to ten which you said you

05:26:54.180 didn't if i ask that means that i'm saying that i don't think body count for men no no you no that's

05:26:59.140 not you're rephrasing the answer i asked you specifically if a man right i slept with two

05:27:03.780 women or ten women i'm right and what does it matter and you said it doesn't matter right that's my whole

05:27:09.300 point it doesn't matter to you the person who said it matters but to men yeah that matters i mean like i

05:27:15.860 still i guess yeah i can matter on both sides like if the body count is high i think there's a

05:27:22.340 psychological difference too yeah with sex men treat sex more of a physical as a physical thing

05:27:28.500 yeah women it's more of a mental yeah i can agree with that what that's why it affects us so much

05:27:36.900 i mean body count matters grid one he's just asking what do you offer in a relationship

05:27:42.580 the language is a little strong i don't want to repeat it but um

05:27:45.860 um uh well this i think he asked also sent um a question earlier on asking what are they

05:27:55.460 oh i think he also asked what are they looking for in a relationship um

05:28:02.420 hmm

05:28:05.700 i mean i agree with andrew here on on this one though like generally speaking i would say men care far more

05:28:11.860 about body count than do women i'm not again it's are there women that would prefer men that are

05:28:21.220 non-promiscuous absolutely perhaps a lot of women don't want to date a promiscuous man but

05:28:25.540 i would argue that generally speaking women care far less about a man's sexual past in in so much as

05:28:32.580 if he's slept with a lot of women i think most women it's not as big of a deal as it is to men

05:28:38.340 why but i haven't heard like anyone asked me that since high school like that's so like it's just

05:28:44.420 such a amateur question like if a grown man i would be i'd be honest but like if a grown man and i were

05:28:51.860 like getting into a relationship or something and he was saying what's your body count yo what's your

05:28:58.100 body count i'd be like mature i think it's just like immature i don't think are you the paragon of

05:29:02.980 maturity did i use no i'm not i'm not the part did i use that right yeah no i just think it's like a

05:29:09.140 odd what i mean because like if i'm not if they don't see me actively like being a hoe or a sled or

05:29:16.500 something like i just don't understand why the reason that it's ingrained in men is it because it's

05:29:22.660 like an insecurity of who's better i don't like to use the insecurity thing but like it's not because

05:29:27.860 any of that it's because of paternity it's because of paternity so how could men previous to paternity

05:29:34.580 tests have more assurance that their offspring was theirs but like no no answer my question don't ask

05:29:42.660 a question answer it that's why you think that monogamy might be a really good way to help ensure

05:29:53.060 that your offspring yeah when you're in a when you're in a relationship yeah so one of the things

05:29:57.700 that you can point to to look at to determine this is if a woman's sleeping with a lot of different

05:30:03.300 men that she's probably not going to be monogamous and so therefore the you your assurance is your

05:30:08.180 offspring is going to be yours far lower well more likely if i'm like i've just a lot of like

05:30:15.780 ho men date ho women so it's like what does that have to do with my point what does that have to

05:30:21.700 do with anything i don't know you're like coming home bikini or full nude pictures of you online

05:30:27.220 for free let's not lie your pics are leaked or by paying five dollars to fifteen one time why would

05:30:34.100 i ever marry you already gave the secret away already gave the secret away thank you jacama appreciate

05:30:43.300 it you don't know what it feels like which which one on the panel the hole the pussy let's see you

05:30:50.740 you think that's the primary fresh breast in your mouth you don't know you think do you think that's

05:30:55.140 the primary reason a man wants to marry a woman is her pussy or her tits i would hope not okay so

05:31:03.060 your response to jacama kind of falls flat there it's more about being with i think

05:31:07.700 is what i responded to but the marriage is like okay

05:31:13.300 taking it like nick where did chase go is he on the balcony yeah he needs to is he smoking what's he

05:31:19.700 doing i don't know okay what do you mean you can't see okay all right um let's see if we're

05:31:29.140 caught up on chats before we wrap up the show oh wait do we have this oh okay um anybody any final

05:31:35.220 thoughts from anybody yeah i just would still like to have an answer to that question i don't i'm so tired

05:31:44.340 like i like i don't i've been here for so long i don't feel like i i would love to answer when i'm

05:31:50.740 of the right frame of mind to to have an actual philosophical smart intelligent answer do you have

05:32:00.100 those a lot so i'm not clipped no i'm making i'm i'm joking with you yeah i'm very deadpan i was joking

05:32:07.860 with you too except my joke was funny it's mine and mine was too boom roasted please i need everyone

05:32:15.860 to clap in the room ha but how long how many relationships have you had

05:32:26.580 me yeah um uh serious ones i've are yeah relationships two two yeah who ended the relationship

05:32:36.260 me both both of them yes okay that's actually fairly common women typically end relationships

05:32:42.900 more so than men but um i do want to go around the table on this uh what are your parents still

05:32:50.100 together or separated for this is for everybody your parents together or were they ever married

05:32:57.220 if they were married are they separated divorced separated and i i i was going to mention about how

05:33:02.020 you guys always talk about daddy issues and i it's the complete opposite for me like my dad is

05:33:06.820 supportive of me and my i don't have my mother in my life okay so i just like i want like you guys

05:33:12.580 should like talk about parental issues because not every girl has daddy the daddy issues things i i

05:33:18.420 just think that's so i'm just asking the question so are your parents still together married

05:33:23.060 are you on drugs me yeah just because i'm yawning no just she asked you a question what's but like no

05:33:32.820 i'm not you sure yeah let me scoot in closer so sorry can you scoot over again please thank you

05:33:43.060 i i asked a question yeah and i'm wondering why you're asking that question though why i'm asking

05:33:51.940 if your parents are still together or are they it's just no oh the drug question yeah because you've

05:33:59.060 seemed a little bit out of it previously you explained that you have narcolepsy but you've

05:34:03.460 seemed a little bit out of it you frequently go to the bathroom so i don't know what i've also

05:34:07.140 drank in like three cups of water since i've sat down that cool yeah okay fine you're not on drugs

05:34:12.580 cool do you want to answer do you want to answer the question um how long have my mom and dad been

05:34:17.860 together no what are your parents still together um no my dad died when i was three okay what about you

05:34:27.220 my parents are divorced um but my stepdad has been in my life since i was six uh yes they're together

05:34:35.300 mine are divorced mine are divorced my parents got divorced when i was 18 they're still together

05:34:42.660 okay still together cool good times good times i forgot i forgot there was something in there

05:34:51.220 i'm sorry we have the paper towels we have the paper towels um any final thoughts from anybody else i

05:34:58.660 think you got yours in what about feminism for the win no feminism yes but oh okay shout out to my

05:35:07.300 dad mediumism for the win feminism for the win and shout out to my daddy i think abortion is a tool of

05:35:15.300 the patriarchy wait abortion is a tool of the patriarchy yep wait abortion is health care it is

05:35:23.380 absolutely not health care doesn't kill an innocent human being it's a abortion is the murder of

05:35:28.740 children amen it's the then we would be in a mass genocide crisis we are we are literally are well

05:35:35.860 you should be you should be running into clinics and getting the murderers out do you do you see um

05:35:42.580 um life as the very um start like conception from conception then why aren't more um why aren't more

05:35:51.620 planned parenthoods um you you see like people getting you have to why aren't people getting

05:35:57.140 arrested you're using legislation as well they're if it's murder if it's morality if it's murder then

05:36:04.340 they should be getting arrested slavery was also legal no no no no no no listen listen

05:36:10.020 doesn't make what is a murder a murder is an unjustified killing that's what a murder is

05:36:17.140 right so in this particular case i'm gonna leave i can't i can't with this i'm gonna all right

05:36:21.380 i think it's someone i think i'm actually reaching out to the medical field out you go you can bring

05:36:26.340 your friend too just we don't need to make you don't need to say you don't need to say anything else

05:36:30.180 just leave just leave thank you guys for having me on the pod i appreciate it and all the differing

05:36:36.100 stuff i just i can't just with this that's fine just yeah that's fine just leave that's it's fine

05:36:41.620 get on just get on the thing just go all right bye no dude you gotta

05:36:52.420 not that's not what i'm talking about nick what are you what are you talking about nothing

05:36:57.940 what are you what are you talking about bro nick you need if if we're doing a kickoff

05:37:05.700 you need to be on the keyboard okay you gotta be on the keyboard i asked oh the keyboard gotcha

05:37:11.140 do you know why yeah okay anyways i was a little confused i thought you wanted me to video so then

05:37:17.300 you're kind of not giving me the signal i know but you've never mind we'll talk about it after the show

05:37:22.820 all right um anyways that chick refused to talk about any issue i mean i think what it kind of

05:37:32.340 comes down from coming from someone who was initially going into the medical field and everything like

05:37:37.700 that i feel like you kind of look at it more biologically right absolutely and obviously there's

05:37:44.740 a point when consciousness is formed and you know i feel like there's a lot of things that have a

05:37:49.940 potential for life each time someone engages in intercourse right that's the potential for life

05:37:57.060 you know every single ovary every single sperm cell that's also the potential for life right and i

05:38:03.300 think it comes to a point where something goes from um a collection of cells to life and i think there

05:38:10.500 is a break between it hang on you gotta you're conflating life with consciousness it is absolutely

05:38:17.460 life when the sperm and the so there is a science scientifically is classified as life so that is

05:38:23.380 not really where the dispute is the dispute usually comes in to i value sentience so like maybe you

05:38:31.380 probably don't value all life right you probably don't value bacterial infections even though that

05:38:35.780 might be alive you don't value any of that right so you would get rid of all that um but you probably

05:38:41.460 value something else that you consider human life maybe it's sentience consciousness something like that

05:38:46.500 right isn't that where it would be all right so what is sentience then that's the question what is

05:38:52.420 it um i mean sentience comes from you know being able to form thought and you know like it's it's

05:39:00.580 basically free will that's you know what sentience is free will i mean essentially yeah it's free thought

05:39:07.700 free will do you think a newborn has that um yeah it's basically the form of consciousness what about

05:39:14.660 a coma patient does a coma patient have free will or when you're sleeping yeah but i mean

05:39:21.220 free thought and free will is is it's like the ability to have that free thought and free will right

05:39:27.540 fetus will have that ability yeah they will just as somebody like being in a coma correct

05:39:33.860 they have that ability when they wake up they're already a person so then what you're actually saying

05:39:37.940 is yes so if you if you make that statement you are a collection of cells there's a there's an

05:39:42.980 entailment so there's an entailment here the entailment is if you make the statement that the

05:39:47.460 coma patient you value his life because he can have that experience then you would have to value the life

05:39:53.540 of the uh egg that's for i mean right away you would have to value the life yeah yeah the zygote because

05:40:00.420 the potential for them to have the experience is the same yeah i think you know like not not

05:40:05.700 necessarily because you know that person in the coma right they have already they're already a person

05:40:12.420 you know capable of everything like that but if they were born in a coma the collection of cells you

05:40:16.820 know like like what you're what you're talking about right is like it's basically like every time

05:40:22.580 some like dude like nuts in a napkin you know that's the sense that's not a life even by your

05:40:28.180 memory it's a human being has it has to have it has to have both gametes connect yeah you can't you

05:40:36.180 have to have all 23 pairs of chromosomes you can't just have half of that that's that's a

05:40:41.700 not a zygote a zygote is a it's also it's also the potential the potential of life like it's not

05:40:46.820 potential it has all eight characteristics of the potentiality is a scientific fact you cannot argue

05:40:51.620 against that what are you should know that what are the eight characteristics of life

05:40:56.180 i can't name off the top of my head but i promise you it obtains all eight characteristics like

05:41:00.340 reproduction ability ability to reproduce yeah ability to reproduce ability to move um ability to breathe

05:41:10.420 no no that's wrong like or like i promise you that's wrong no of some sort nope okay i used to

05:41:17.860 have them memorized i used to have them memorized but i promise you it obtained so this is like my

05:41:22.260 subject you know what i'm saying okay anyways yeah i think it's murder and i i think it should be

05:41:30.020 illegal and people should be arrested for it also to make a point on this uh i saw in the news that um

05:41:37.140 peru recently made abortion illegal and they're giving fetuses uh constitutional rights as a result of

05:41:46.020 this or they're they're making it illegal because they've given fetuses constitutional rights i you

05:41:51.380 know one of the weird things about living in america our constitution and all of our rights that

05:41:55.860 andrew believes are fake uh you know it's like america was was founded to secure life liberty and the

05:42:02.260 pursuit of happiness for all americans but why don't we why do we not secure the right to life for fetuses

05:42:10.180 in america it doesn't make any sense like i i believe every unborn child has the right to life

05:42:15.380 in america and that's what this nation was founded for yes and i mean in our history as she was trying

05:42:20.500 to say like legislation somehow makes some kind of morality and it's like in history as humans we've

05:42:26.340 taken away human rights from countless amount of people and we look back on that and we say what

05:42:30.660 the heck were we thinking right and the same thing goes for a fetus embryo zygote whatever you want to

05:42:36.100 call it it's just a different stage in human development it's a human life period yeah god

05:42:40.580 willing like i pray that a day will come where we will look back on this era with over 60 million

05:42:46.340 unborn children killed in the womb and we will be like what the hell why do you why do you want to

05:42:50.900 control women's bodies i want to say i want to save the baby's bodies bro i do want to say something

05:42:58.180 though you brought up peru right my actual my i brought up what peru my best friend of four years

05:43:04.900 she's from there right and one thing you know like we've actually talked about so one thing that's

05:43:10.180 actually really dangerous over in peru right is there's so many there's so many you know like

05:43:16.660 essays you know there's a lot of people a lot of women you know do you know what the actual number is

05:43:22.420 no idea but this is from her personal experience this is from what she's told me um you know what

05:43:26.500 she's seen over there and i think one thing that we do have to look at is it's like

05:43:30.500 even with taking away you know the right to abortion people are still going to go and get

05:43:36.580 them right people are still going to go out of their way and then they're going to damage themselves

05:43:40.900 and they're actually the third leading rate uh the third leading death for maternal deaths right

05:43:48.980 is unsafe abortions in peru um no so should we just make homicide legal because it's still going to happen

05:43:55.540 well yeah but i mean this is like allowing people the decision you know nobody should have the

05:44:00.900 decision to kill another innocent human being period so if a little so if a little i know this is like a

05:44:06.900 a cliche type topic topic but if a little girl is raped by a family member and is impregnated

05:44:15.860 do you know what percentage of abortions come from that in america no uterus no opinion

05:44:21.860 i mean well i have a uterus i i i sorry i hear she does have a uterus i do have a uterus andrew

05:44:28.660 wilson that you know it's no opinion hey no i i hear i hear what you're saying you know it's it

05:44:35.220 sounds like this is this is an argument that people commonly raise which is okay if you make

05:44:39.700 abortion illegal then you will force women in those positions to get them by other means which are often

05:44:45.140 dangerous and and endanger the lives of the women that are getting them i totally understand that

05:44:49.460 argument what i would also say to that is that women who legally get abortions also endanger their

05:44:56.020 lives there are many women who have died from abortions in abortion clinics on top of that i

05:45:02.420 think any woman that gets assayed and becomes pregnant as a result of that it's a very sad thing

05:45:07.540 but to her point i don't think just because one bad thing happened to you i don't think that justifies

05:45:12.980 then murdering that unborn child i also am a firm believer in the state it's just a clump of cells

05:45:19.300 chase yeah i'm i'm a firm believer well it's it's actually it's just a clump of cells that's the thing

05:45:23.940 it's super weird if i may add a couple more points i'm a firm believer in the state making adoption

05:45:30.180 services more affordable for people right like i've raised this on previous episodes here in america for

05:45:35.540 example it's insanely expensive to adopt a child and we print billions hundreds of billions trillions

05:45:43.140 of dollars i don't know if it's trillions that we give in foreign aid to other countries but we

05:45:47.140 here in america we give tons of money to all of these other countries i think a lot of that money

05:45:52.420 should instead be put towards subsidizing the adoption did somebody sanitize this chair by the way

05:45:59.140 one thing i do want to ask is like what are what are your beliefs when it's in concern of the you

05:46:04.660 know like threatening the life of the mother or the fetus has very very severe birth defects that

05:46:11.380 upon yeah birth but this is a problem with this argument right it's like let's just for the sake of

05:46:16.740 argument grant it okay if it's going to threaten the mother's life fine if it's incest fine like

05:46:22.180 whatever the qualifiers are the vast overwhelming majority of abortions have nothing to do with those

05:46:29.060 qualifiers so yeah i feel like let's start with the vast overwhelming majority of them and then we

05:46:36.660 can move on to kind of whatever the outliers are last i saw roughly 95 percent of abortions are what

05:46:43.700 are called abortions of convenience 97 elective okay is that is that that's the statistic according

05:46:50.020 to gut matcher institute that planned parenthood uses for their statistics okay so if it's 97 let's

05:46:54.900 break this down for a moment that means 97 of abortions are abortions that women are getting

05:47:00.500 because it is inconvenient for them to keep the child they didn't plan the pregnancy they don't

05:47:05.220 want the kid maybe they feel they can't afford it so on and so forth which tells me women are making

05:47:11.700 bad decisions with who they are letting come inside of them and then they are killing their children as

05:47:18.100 result of it because they don't want to bear the consequences of their decisions here in america less

05:47:22.900 than one percent of abortions are due to rape i have great compassion for women that experience

05:47:27.860 that and i can't even imagine how painful it would be sorry for using that word to be essayed and then

05:47:34.020 to feel like you have to get an abortion after the fact i can't imagine how painful that would be

05:47:38.500 but to his point the overwhelming majority are women who are making terrible decisions with who they

05:47:44.580 are allowing into their bodies and then they're just killing their children because they don't want

05:47:48.100 to bear the consequences of their actions yeah like let's just say for a second that we just

05:47:53.700 hypothetically grant this to you we just agree we're like all of those outlier cases fine they should

05:48:00.500 have been able to do it can you give us the justification for why all of the vast majority of

05:48:05.700 the others shouldn't that's the question um so like i said you know like just my personal standpoint on

05:48:12.660 it um is you know like that until that point of consciousness is reached like which is when it's

05:48:22.660 only potential for life 24 weeks 20 24 weeks it's not arguable when life begins what happens

05:48:30.260 um i mean that's basically you know the start of like consciousness that's that's the ability to you

05:48:36.500 you know kind of like feel feel like pain that's kind of like the start of you know what is yeah

05:48:41.940 but this is again i hate i hate to ask this but i actually need it clarified yeah i still don't

05:48:48.100 understand what you think sentience or consciousness is well she was just clarifying like the ability

05:48:53.300 to feel pain and physical there's neurological disorders that prevent you so for instance that

05:48:58.260 doesn't make sense because you can feel pain long for 24 weeks right long before 24 weeks so that

05:49:04.500 can't be what you're referring to so what are you referring to as sentience it's the development

05:49:10.340 into a person where i see that kind of bridge right yeah what is the thing that is the breach

05:49:16.260 like i said at 24 weeks it's the development towards consciousness and it's a development

05:49:21.700 towards consciousness yeah yeah well i mean around 24 weeks there's there's yeah but i'm asking what that

05:49:27.940 quality is he's asking what what how do you define like so for if you said if you said to me

05:49:34.500 it's when the foot the foot is developed i could be like what's the foot you say it's this part here

05:49:40.340 what is sentience you keep on you say that that's your value sentience consciousness what is that

05:49:47.220 it's it's like i said you know basically the ability for pain is basically you know like the

05:49:53.860 start of like the nervous system i know we're gonna agree separately on this but it's like just for me

05:50:00.180 yeah but you can feel pain or you can have a nervous system before consciousness i feel like

05:50:04.020 you do have an outward kind of look upon life because you know going like i said into the medical

05:50:09.380 field you go through you literally dissect human beings cadavers you go through the entire system

05:50:16.180 you see how people are built up you see how everything kind of starts right and it's like

05:50:20.980 like you know that throughout like there's like life and death right and there's like

05:50:29.860 well hmm i'm sorry i'm not laughing at this at all please continue you're saying there's

05:50:34.980 laughing there's life and death you dissect cadavers you can see the development of it there's life and

05:50:40.820 death do you want to continue with it or did you lose your train of thought i got a degree in nursing

05:50:46.740 and i can definitely assure you life begins at conception and i'm not saying that i am the

05:50:52.260 person that determined that i'm just saying all scientific test but textbooks and we'll tell you

05:50:59.220 the same thing that a fetus obtains or zygote obtains all eight characteristics of life if it's a

05:51:04.820 life what kind of life is it it's a human life obviously a human being grid one motorsports donated

05:51:10.740 two hundred dollars as the baby is a result of sexism the result of a man's seed why do we allow

05:51:17.540 women to be the sole decision-making power to end that life it's a great regret of the mother should

05:51:22.420 not be the sole factor another privilege as a woman that you should not have not allow women to be the

05:51:29.700 sole decision-making power to end a baby's life exactly okay um it's getting late i think we should

05:51:35.780 wrap up here pretty soon final thought from anybody before i wrap up i got some final thoughts i would

05:51:40.500 like to pose the question what is life and then oh what is it's going to be different for everybody

05:51:45.940 right the definition of life because then we have everything from the trees to the human where do we

05:51:51.540 put the you know on the value of everything what are you doing um sorry human life deserves human rights

05:51:58.500 period and life is determined by biology and biology tells us that a zygote has all eight characteristics

05:52:06.740 of life therefore it is a life a human being it's a two human gametes don't make anything else besides a

05:52:14.100 human yes is it is a tree is a tree a seed though uh no it's a different development no let me let me

05:52:20.980 answer your question let me answer your question no it is a different development it's the same thing

05:52:25.700 though it's the same thing right a seed grows into a tree right seeds grown to trees grown to trees but it

05:52:31.700 is still the same species it is still the same tree that seed ended up being that tree ended up being

05:52:37.140 the tree correct that doesn't mean that it it's a developmental stage same thing with saying an

05:52:43.380 infant is it an adult and an adult is an elder it's the exact same concept do you do you believe do you

05:52:50.900 believe um death is wrong no matter what like murder is wrong no matter what no absolutely i think there are

05:52:57.380 sometimes justifications for death and like if somebody's threatening me if somebody's threatening

05:53:03.460 me right or if they're threatening you you have the right to defend yourself but a fetus zygote embryo

05:53:10.740 has done nothing to you they are innocent they are an innocent human being hence why i keep saying

05:53:14.820 innocent and is 97 of the time created by consensual decisions made by consenting adults who don't

05:53:22.100 want to deal with the consequences of their actions elective abortions make up 97 so if i were

05:53:26.420 to offer you legislation just curious that said you know what we're gonna outlaw all 97 of abortions

05:53:34.260 but we'll make exceptions for those uh for rate or are i didn't finish it i didn't finish it

05:53:41.860 for the r word yeah and um and in whatever and uh health of the mother would you agree to that

05:53:50.580 um i think honestly between like me and you guys i think there's just a divergence and

05:53:56.100 belief no but i want to know like it's a yes or no question would you agree to that legislation

05:54:01.300 oh sorry i was explaining my point um anyway i think there's definitely like a divergence and you

05:54:05.780 know like what we kind of believe life is right you know i believe more it starts at 24 weeks and we

05:54:11.380 definitely do i mean it's a yes or no question agreement yeah i was getting to know but okay to know

05:54:17.620 exactly so why do you bring it up what so why do you bring it up this is trying to justify the other 97

05:54:25.380 wait what what are you talking about you're trying to use outliers like the r word and health of the

05:54:32.820 mother right as outliers to justify 97 of cases um so i'm saying if i offered you legislation if i

05:54:40.100 offered you legislation would you accept it i asked you guys and the answer is no so why do you bring it up i

05:54:45.140 asked you guys a question concerning when you believe abortion is right correct and i was getting

05:54:51.940 your opinion on that never did i justify that i mean obviously i think abortion there definitely

05:54:59.220 needs to be instances where it is legal no matter what anybody's opinion is right but do you okay so

05:55:06.420 i understand that's your position but what she's asking is the other 97 that don't apply to the

05:55:12.900 conditions that you're describing yeah do you feel like that's morally wrong for those that 97 of

05:55:18.820 women to be getting abortions for decisions they chose to make um i mean personally you know like

05:55:27.940 what i already explained you know how i see life or whatever like that so you feel like if it's

05:55:31.940 below that threshold it's not wrong um i mean like what somebody does is you know like their personal

05:55:37.860 choice and as i said you know if those options like aren't available they're already going to try

05:55:43.700 it you know like anyway and i think so let's just leave this legal homicide well i mean war what about

05:55:50.420 war what do you think about different like i said if you have if you have if someone is threatening you

05:55:56.180 and if somebody is threatening you bodily harm you have the right to defend yourself i'm not saying all

05:56:01.060 war is justified though just to clarify more but i mean a lot of the time war is not justified

05:56:07.860 that's the point so if it's not justified then it would be murder yeah exactly like i think we can

05:56:13.620 actually agree on that one all right i got a couple closing thoughts jesus christ is lord amen he came to

05:56:18.660 the earth he lived died resurrected from the dead ascended to heaven he's freaking coming back to

05:56:25.300 some point in time i don't know when that is it seems like it's going to be soon

05:56:28.020 uh he died for all of our sins including you guys i hope you guys come to know jesus christ

05:56:34.100 and find salvation in him because he offers you eternal life and uh what we have however

05:56:38.100 many listeners that are going to listen to this believe that it's the truth read the book more than

05:56:42.740 a carpenter by josh mcdowell make the make the decision for yourself who you believe jesus christ

05:56:47.300 is because everybody has to answer that question guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops to follow

05:56:51.940 and a prime sub on your way out twitch.tv slash whatever steve things are prime oh i think i got you

05:56:56.580 kiwi hado hobo uh see you around clay ozzy think for the prime or the tier one thank you guys thank

05:57:03.540 you thank you okay um let me just double check make sure we got all the chats i don't want to miss any

05:57:09.220 um did you say any closing thoughts you have any it's gotta be quick i need to wrap like asap

05:57:16.340 oh yeah you should definitely come see me at the crucible andrew wilson

05:57:19.460 check out this channel guys check out his channel and okay guys so last call please hit the like

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Whatever Podcast - November 15, 2023

2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT？! HEATED Debate! ｜ Dating Talk #118

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