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00:02:55.820 podcast without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us

00:03:00.520 your name age location so where you're from and occupation go ahead hello i'm daphne i'm 24

00:03:08.260 um i live in colorado right now and i am an only fans creator all right welcome my name is venus

00:03:17.860 vixen i'm 20 i live in miami and i do professional porn and only fans all right welcome my name is

00:03:26.680 alissa i'm 28 i live in santa barbara i am a mom and a preschool teacher all right welcome

00:03:33.640 i'm katie i'm 28 uh i live in los angeles and i'm a writer slash editor of uh what do you do

00:03:42.960 uh just like online content very boring stuff nothing like uh writing books or anything like

00:03:48.560 that okay got it what about you i'm angelique and i am 24 years old and i am a the president

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00:04:01.180 conversations about abortion so we can end it in our lifetimes let's go thank you

00:04:05.780 okay what about you hi my name is sarah ramirez i'm 19 i'm i'm here at ucsb and i am a peer

00:04:14.680 tutor what are you studying at ucsb i study math and i'm getting a minor in um math education all

00:04:22.180 right welcome hi i'm sarah stock i'm 20 i'm from newport beach i go to vanguard university i'm a

00:04:28.920 college student and i work for rebel news as an editor and i'm a turning point usa president

00:04:33.980 all right welcome sir hey guys i'm jake rattlesnake tv on youtube jake rattlesnk instagram and twitter

00:04:40.920 i'm a youtuber 28 years old from australia originally but here today with a lovely panel

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00:05:01.560 subscribe and he is a veteran of the whatever podcast which one of you bestowed upon him the

00:05:06.800 title of god that was you yeah jake's a veteran of the uh of the uh whatever podcast great so we're

00:05:12.640 gonna go around the table once more what's everybody's relationship status so single

00:05:19.140 talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult

00:05:23.340 uh you know there's all kinds of things uh how long have you been single if you're single

00:05:28.440 and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead so i'm single

00:05:33.460 right now um i've been single for

00:05:36.300 i'd say two years maybe um the longest relationship that i had was oh it's a weird one but um it was

00:05:49.300 i would say about a year and a half almost almost two years and sorry you said you were you've been

00:05:56.600 single for how long about two three years two three years and longest was two one point five to two

00:06:04.660 about got it what about you i'm in a relationship um i've been dating somebody for like three months

00:06:10.980 and the longest relationship i've been in is two years the guy that you're dating is he also in the

00:06:16.840 adult entertainment industry no is he like a normie a civilian yeah he is is is that the term for you

00:06:24.100 know what like uh people who are in the adult entertainment industry you call like people

00:06:28.540 who don't make that kind of content civilians yeah is that okay yeah so he's a civilian yeah

00:06:33.460 what's he uh do he's a student student okay yeah yeah so you guys are about the same age then i

00:06:40.460 reckon he's in college okay well i hope he's in college um okay we have what about you um i was

00:06:47.160 married but i filed for divorce so we're separated and that was my longest relationship and that was

00:06:52.600 almost five years okay and uh that was your first marriage first and only marriage no i got married

00:07:00.580 at 19 and that only lasted a couple years married at 19 divorced at when 21 21 and then uh you got

00:07:09.100 married again when uh 24 and then divorced again who initiated the divorce and uh for both of the

00:07:18.300 marriages me they were both unfaithful they were both unfaithful yep okay um first one was more like

00:07:25.520 drugs and alcohol too and then i got tired of that and then second one i thought i married a good man but

00:07:33.340 he was unfaithful to me okay and so how long have you been single um eight plus months eight plus

00:07:42.280 months were you separated so you the divorce was finalized eight months ago or you were like separated

00:07:48.860 for no how long have you been separated eight months oh eight months okay yeah is the divorce finalized

00:07:53.480 no it will be in a couple months in a couple months okay gotcha and you said you have a one kid

00:07:59.660 two kids yeah i have one little daughter is that is that from your first marriage second marriage no

00:08:03.780 second marriage second marriage have you been dating at all since the separation of your most

00:08:08.540 recent relationship no i want to be properly single before i do that i see okay got it all right uh what

00:08:16.900 about you um i'm in a relationship we've been together for almost three years i think um and it's by far

00:08:24.180 the longest relationship i've ever been in so yeah five year uh no no no almost three oh sorry three

00:08:32.180 year okay and that's so your current relationship is the longest one okay yeah by far got it okay cool

00:08:38.060 what about you and i'm in a relationship uh it's been two and a half years and it's my longest because

00:08:43.880 it's my only two point five years okay um i'm single i've been single since birth single since birth

00:08:53.480 yeah i'm still waiting on the right the right guys okay single since birth uh what's i mean have you

00:09:00.020 been on a date um yes they were not successful dates they were not what's the longest uh period of

00:09:08.600 time that you've seen somebody you've seen a guy um like i said i'm waiting for the right guy um i did

00:09:16.160 have oh hold on one second next donated 100 cat lady has an amber alert from her mental institution

00:09:24.080 did she show up in a white white smock uh she did actually she showed up in a we uh what is it

00:09:31.620 one of those straight straight straight jackets we're gonna keep that a secret we're gonna tell

00:09:36.180 everyone until you get any joy out of it yeah they've actually allowed her to venture out of

00:09:41.660 the psych ward just to make it onto the whatever podcast so my opportunity to be free yes i'll have

00:09:47.280 you here yeah um she does have an ankle monitor too no i'm kidding um thank you brandon appreciate it

00:09:53.080 so okay you're uh you've been single your whole life uh like what's the most have you been on like

00:09:57.760 three dates with one guy or you've only been on like just a bunch of first dates none of them worked

00:10:02.140 just a couple first dates and it hasn't really worked gone further and is that because they

00:10:06.300 didn't want to see you again you didn't want to see them again mix of both i kind of had to let

00:10:10.980 them down a little bit easy yeah i didn't want to see them anymore okay and um why was that

00:10:17.680 i just i i didn't feel like we were on the same wavelength um when it came to certain topics and

00:10:29.940 he was um i don't want to be rude but he wasn't uh he didn't catch my interest i guess if he wasn't

00:10:37.500 physically attractive uh um both ways like as a person and physically yeah okay and you said you guys

00:10:45.140 didn't match up on the wavelength like what specifically like difference of values um yeah

00:10:51.440 he told me he had a bunch of friends who like were doing drugs in the dorm and i was like okay i'm not

00:10:57.200 about that life so was he doing good luck i don't know because like i said it's only it hasn't been

00:11:03.240 further than a first date yeah but um are you sophomore at ucsb yes i am okay uh are you still in

00:11:10.940 the dorms or no i have a place yeah okay so this was back was this back like your freshman year yeah

00:11:16.680 okay and so that was one date didn't work out what about you how many first dates do you think

00:11:23.320 you've been on total that's literally the only one oh you've been on one first day one first day and

00:11:27.880 i don't really like to count it i like want to start over but you want to start over guys it's it's a

00:11:34.300 deal it's a whole deal okay so you've been on one first date have you been asked out by other guys

00:11:39.940 but just not no been on dating apps at all oh yeah okay like i said i'm waiting i'm waiting for

00:11:49.000 someone to ask okay no one's asking at the college campus no what are these guys doing are they trying

00:11:54.540 to slide into the dms are they um i actually um keep my account pretty private so like i have to get

00:12:02.360 to know someone first before not like necessarily like i'm not going to accept a first date from a

00:12:08.440 stranger um but i don't think social media is the way to go like i would give them my number

00:12:13.120 um if they had asked yeah they have asked but they i give them my number and then they don't reach

00:12:19.000 out so wink wink hint hint boys um are you are you religious yes i am uh christian or christian

00:12:28.120 yeah non-denominational are you waiting until marriage yeah okay yeah all right uh what about

00:12:34.560 you sarah um i'm single i've never had a long serious relationship or anything i've had like two

00:12:42.380 pretty short relationships and a lot of first dates kind of thing how many first dates would

00:12:49.160 you say you've had no idea to be honest more than 10 more than 20 more than 30 i don't know

00:12:56.400 probably around 20 over my life okay um what's the longest period of time that you've dated a guy

00:13:02.840 like two and a half three months i think would you call it a situationship have you ever called

00:13:10.880 somebody your boyfriend yeah did he call you girlfriend okay um okay two to so we'll say like

00:13:18.880 what two to three months uh right and um you're also religious correct yeah i'm a christian are you

00:13:26.520 waiting until marriage yep have you always waited till marriage yes wait so okay i mean not to be too

00:13:32.740 forward here but you're both you both are virgins is that correct yeah yes no shame just yeah okay

00:13:41.320 all right cool all right jake uh what about you yeah single been single for two years so

00:13:48.220 yeah for the longest time i've been single all right it's changing i mean leslie from our previous

00:13:54.820 show was uh making some overtures uh anything happen there jake or no we learned left

00:14:02.720 leslie left we never we never found each other again

00:14:05.840 so that was it then her friend was the despite being in a relationship seemed like

00:14:12.940 maybe a little flirtation going on you were talking upstairs brian you and then just yeah it was over

00:14:19.140 it was over it was done it was done uh you distracted me oh shoot okay well

00:14:24.700 yeah well you guys not my type i'll say that which one the leslie oh neither

00:14:29.840 all right cool all right guys um so that's everybody's relationship status i think the

00:14:36.400 first thing i want to do is actually this is perhaps something new that i'd like to do

00:14:40.560 as a good jumping off point some of you have reached out to us wanting to be on the show

00:14:44.800 um i like i i like to uh have discussions with people who disagree with me on things so

00:14:52.400 does anybody here maybe you've seen the show before maybe you've seen clips

00:14:56.640 uh is there anything that any of you disagree with me on maybe you've seen something that

00:15:05.480 you know clip from the show i think that's a really good place to start so anybody anybody

00:15:10.960 anything yeah yeah but like i feel like it's a lot to be honest so i don't really know a lot

00:15:17.300 that you disagree with yeah i feel like pretty much we're on the opposite ends okay just ops

00:15:22.260 yeah are we offing each other like well we're having a conversation but uh why don't uh

00:15:30.520 yeah i don't know where to start but it would probably basically be anything

00:15:34.100 if i had to just guess yeah but i'm gonna need you to be a little more precise

00:15:37.180 like you talk a like a lot of politics okay on the show you're more like conservative

00:15:42.960 am i say yeah okay pretty conservative i would say i feel like i'm pretty vague when it comes to my

00:15:50.040 politics and i typically don't get super political but i mean i'm very conservative if you would like

00:15:57.580 to but if you want to take the lead oh no i mean i look i'll yeah i'd say i i i'm moderate to

00:16:06.420 conservative ish okay yeah i don't want to tell you like you know what i mean because it's my opinion

00:16:15.180 and you're no i don't know whatever so okay what what do you disagree with me on

00:16:20.520 like everything like i would say i'm probably the most left-leaning here like i'm more like

00:16:28.060 socialist communist that's a good place to start okay right there so okay so you're so you're a

00:16:35.080 socialist slash communist yeah okay so do you think uh what's like the tenet of communism you don't

00:16:43.520 believe they believe in private property yeah do you believe in that's what else see it's really

00:16:48.540 hard to navigate these kinds of conversations but it's basically like you can look at how we kind

00:16:54.040 of are like america right now and how we are like economically like most americans are living like

00:17:00.020 under the poverty line you know what i mean and like even people are getting a hundred thousand

00:17:05.260 dollar salary two hundred thousand dollars they're living paycheck to paycheck and i just think

00:17:09.760 everybody like livable wages should be happening you know what i mean can you um point me to an

00:17:15.600 example where communism or socialism provided a better quality of life than the life in america

00:17:20.060 i think cuba was really promising up until the u.s like started putting

00:17:25.860 do you realize how much of a do you realize how much of a shithole cuba is that's because of the

00:17:32.480 united states so you don't think it's the fact that the government went and nationalized

00:17:36.500 everything and they put shea guevara in as the head of economics in cuba somebody who had never

00:17:40.900 done that before they nationalized the industries you don't think that a bunch of guerrilla warfare

00:17:45.360 fighters coming into havana and taking over the country i think cuba had a promising chance up until

00:17:49.660 the united states started putting like restrictions on cuba and that's part of the reason why cuba is

00:17:55.420 so embargoes but do you not think we're trading we're not think that it was like there was a part of

00:18:01.100 it that might have been the socialist factor the fact that they nationalized everything and didn't know

00:18:04.840 what they were doing i mean i can agree with you to the point that it hasn't been like

00:18:09.160 as effective as it could have been played out like in any case so it hasn't successfully like

00:18:16.340 okay so cuba's not a good example do you have another good example of another country that has

00:18:19.920 done a good job with socialism communism no do you know it's been tried many times soviet union did it

00:18:25.220 no good china did it vietnam did it laos did it cambodia did it okay but capitalism isn't doing

00:18:30.180 great either capitalism is doing a lot better than communism a lot better and if you look at the

00:18:34.540 rise in the third world at the moment that's all because of free free markets and it's all because

00:18:40.040 of cheap energy and all these things that capitalism provides thanks killian wait so would you like to

00:18:47.400 see would you like to see the u.s become a communist country i think like there needs to be like kind of

00:18:55.760 how communism is laid out like i still think there's flaws within that right like i'm not trying

00:18:59.780 to say it's the perfect solution i just think on a baseline it would be more effective like most

00:19:04.780 people would have a better quality of life would their here will brandon lee donated 100 dollars

00:19:11.080 another vapid 304 selling her flesh while whining about capitalism do you not realize what you are doing

00:19:19.420 is capitalism do you do you have a response to brandon lee here yeah so i live in a capitalist

00:19:26.800 country why would i not do what i can to have the best quality of life i could just because i believe

00:19:31.820 in something doesn't mean that i should struggle or be poverty stricken what is i i actually i think

00:19:37.220 there is actually a good counter argument to this maybe jake you're familiar with it this this whole like

00:19:42.320 well because i i think it's really important that like both while your side whatever side puts forth

00:19:48.460 like really solid arguments and i think the counter to that is like typically people when it comes to

00:19:53.360 communism they'll argue well you have an iphone but i don't think that's a very compelling argument

00:19:58.100 because like people are going to if they're born into society they're going to have to maneuver

00:20:03.100 through that society with the rules that have been placed so there's having an iphone in in the eyes

00:20:09.680 of a communist that having an iphone is a bad thing no it's more so just and i'm not in favor of

00:20:15.580 communism but it's i'm just trying to steel man or like the capitalist position like i'm not sure if

00:20:21.820 the best argument is well you engage in capitalism so why are you in favor of communism oh yeah do you

00:20:27.380 like i i can't think of the actual the steel man for it but um i get what you mean i appreciate it

00:20:33.780 because brandon kind of said that she's engaging in capitalism but you do live in a capitalist society

00:20:37.800 yeah and i'm not saying there's no problems with capitalism but by far and away it's the best system

00:20:42.220 we've ever tried and you just have to look at the evidence and you can literally i went to korea last

00:20:46.900 year and i went to south korea and i went to the demilitarized zone which is on the border of north

00:20:51.060 korea and it is night and day between those two countries because one of them embraced a soviet

00:20:56.480 style communist system or socialist system and one of them embraced a western style capitalist system

00:21:01.980 you go to cambodia and you look at what happens when the khmer rouge came and took over

00:21:06.240 absolute brutality and that's because equality has to be forced because human beings are inherently

00:21:11.500 different before i before you respond we're not going to linger too long we're not going to

00:21:18.880 linger too long donated one hundred dollars tell me you know jack crap about economics in plain

00:21:25.620 language check in the little box on your tax return where it asks how much extra you want to pay

00:21:32.580 how much do you write in bet it is zero what in the little box on your tax return yeah when it

00:21:41.820 asks how much extra you want to pay but i think essentially what you're saying that there's is that

00:21:45.860 there's economic disparity in america and you're saying that it's unfair yeah it is unfair but life's

00:21:51.240 unfair and we can't we can't we can do better certainly but i'm telling you and i can explain

00:21:56.320 it to you more if you'd like throughout the podcast communism not the answer there are answers

00:22:00.480 communism not it i have a question could i ask you a question yeah just to get your get more of a sense

00:22:05.460 of what you believe you said that you can't really like tell us exactly what country has socialism that

00:22:12.120 you can point to and say that's a positive if there if there was one would you move there and then

00:22:17.400 give up the work that you do because you wouldn't be able to do it under that um yeah like i would

00:22:22.580 give up my work to have like on a baseline be around a community where there's a higher quality

00:22:27.440 of life than america but didn't you say that there you can't point to a country that has that so where

00:22:31.860 would you go no i'm i'm saying like communism and socialism is kind of the closest thing to what i

00:22:38.580 believe in i haven't seen it played out and it's not exactly that but it would be the closest thing to

00:22:43.640 kind of put language into it so how can you believe that something is great if you've never

00:22:47.780 seen it be great i never said it was great i said it's like what i believe to be the best system

00:22:54.200 have you seen it to be great has communism ever worked no and this is what i'm saying like it's

00:22:59.800 the closest thing to what i believe in but i think that when you when you just look at it on the raw facts

00:23:05.460 though communism was responsible for the death of north of 100 million people in the 20th century

00:23:10.780 so when you look at that ideology and you say you know what i think we should try it again

00:23:16.780 you'd have your detractors okay but i do get what you're saying because you believe in inequality

00:23:24.660 and you think that like and you've arrived at this you get it do you go to university or college

00:23:29.480 um i dropped out okay did you hear a little bit of this sort of rhetoric slash propaganda at

00:23:35.300 university is that where you pick these ideas up yeah um yeah but i also think it's really tricky

00:23:42.360 because i mean we're all like we have like a capitalist scope on things so it's the way we're

00:23:47.680 viewing communism is also through like how we've been socialized and how you can go to communist

00:23:53.140 countries see how see how it is i've been to many of them i haven't had the opportunity yet you know

00:23:57.040 what i mean like i'm still very like young and i understand because when i was your age i actually used

00:24:01.360 to think similarly i used to be like a bernie sanders bro like alexandria ocasio or cortez you

00:24:07.260 know i used to love it i used to think so everyone can just be equal and it'll be the best but then

00:24:11.940 after a while when you look into it and you realize that actually it's manufactured equality and when

00:24:16.980 you try and manufacture equality it leads to brutality but you know keep going you'll get there

00:24:22.600 brandon lee donated one hundred dollars thank you brandon there is no country that makes the

00:24:28.060 example of communism to be anywhere near our current society your learning life has failed you

00:24:34.000 stick to learning about how to get guys off do you have a response to brandon lee

00:24:39.700 i know he's tipping a lot for this so you know redirect him yeah um well so thank you brandon

00:24:49.100 appreciate it i have a question so look i'm not super well versed in this topic but uh under

00:24:54.900 communism would there be currency yeah there'd be currency so there'd be still we'd still have u.s

00:25:01.820 dollars so what i'm i'm trying to say right is that i don't fully believe in communism as how

00:25:08.280 communism is that's just the closest thing to what i believe in and that's why i was trying to like

00:25:12.240 address some of the things that i do believe in like i think there should be like a baseline of

00:25:16.440 like livable wages and things like that wait but okay we're so things that i would like to have

00:25:23.000 for the community as a whole doc vinably donated one hundred dollars cuba is 90 miles from key

00:25:31.020 west you can swim there once there you're in miami lines will help you get even skinnier

00:25:36.820 good luck finding a good hookup for your of genius would you consider how's your swimming

00:25:44.060 decent i guess if you were to swim from miami to uh to cuba would it be a breast stroke would it be

00:25:51.380 butterfly what's your preferred backstroke that would be a good way to get there um thank you uh

00:25:56.600 doc vanambulis good to see you in the chat well okay so so under communism let's say there's somebody

00:26:02.480 who's a doctor and then somebody who's a secretary um how are they like are they both compensated

00:26:09.960 equally like the same amount

00:26:11.760 yeah so the secretary who need not spend hundreds thousands of hours attaining secondary uh like

00:26:24.580 other forms of education she's compensated just as well as the doctor so what's the incentive for

00:26:31.060 somebody in a communist society where everything is supposedly provided for them to to like put in

00:26:37.880 all this extra effort like also what about who who wants to be a janitor or who wants a dirty or

00:26:44.140 dangerous job under communism wouldn't everybody just want to so there are some places that aren't

00:26:50.320 communist but they do like have certain like other developed countries like the netherlands right where

00:26:54.760 they have a pretty high quality you think the netherlands is not i've been communist but i've been

00:26:59.900 there three times it's not getting there i'm getting to the point that i'm making i'm not saying it's a

00:27:03.780 communist but whatever you but they have um like livable wages and higher taxes right and one of the

00:27:12.120 things you look at is when everyone has enough to live the incentive to make more money or a lot of

00:27:19.100 europe like doesn't have a lot of millionaires because there's not that drive to have this excess of

00:27:24.700 wealth when you can survive that it's just not natural you know what i mean like can i ask something

00:27:32.540 the netherlands um getting rid of like the labels capitalism socialism communism can you give us like

00:27:39.500 an idea of what the ideal society system would be like you don't have to stick to any like any names

00:27:46.880 just like if i were in charge if i could set up a country to run a certain way how would you want

00:27:52.280 it to run like specifically okay like is there like one avenue like economics yeah economically okay

00:28:01.540 um yeah i feel like that's a little bit better too because i feel like it can be really tricky because

00:28:07.000 like i said i'm not really trying to stick to a label but that would be the closest thing

00:28:11.640 um i think equal pay for everyone would be like a good start there would still be an incentive people

00:28:19.620 still want to be doctors without pay i mean kua actually has the highest oh is it hunter donated

00:28:25.340 one hundred dollars daphne drinking the water that turns the frogs gay it does turn the frogs gay

00:28:31.480 um so you said that i want to i want to hear her answer yeah yeah she said she just said that there

00:28:36.800 would be incentives and i'm saying that do you think that there would be incentives like do you think

00:28:40.700 that we would get the best quality though um i mean yeah that's why i believe in it but also like

00:28:47.600 you said what would be the incentive to become like a doctor or something like that when cuba has the

00:28:51.720 most doctors per capita you know what i mean like people still want to be doctors people naturally

00:28:56.140 want to help each other do you think they're good they're the best doctors well i don't know i can't

00:29:01.080 what's the life expectancy in cuba probably lower than here but you can't really trust the government's

00:29:05.420 numbers though that's fair yeah this is the problem in cuba i've got a from my barber back in brisbane

00:29:11.080 is cuba cuban shout outs to yaz um and his mom is a doctor and he says that she gets she basically

00:29:17.560 makes the same as somebody who flips burgers in the united states she just makes absolutely no

00:29:21.740 money and she's a doctor mount underscore whatever donated 100 communism has failed and will fail at

00:29:30.560 every nation that has tried rfk junior 2024 yeah um yeah so i mean just it's just human nature though

00:29:40.160 that the reason why people strive to be the best and succeed is because they get they get paid more

00:29:45.380 and they get more prestige but in those countries there is no prestige with those jobs they're slaves

00:29:50.160 any any other economic policies because you mentioned netherlands and yeah so they have they

00:29:55.960 have taxes hold on alfie donated 100 my philosophy best summed up by the only advice my father ever gave

00:30:04.960 me he said son whenever you meet a beautiful woman just remember somewhere there's a bloke who's sick

00:30:11.900 of shagging uh thank you alfie um that is a bit more dating related i appreciate it thanks alfie um

00:30:21.160 i think you were asking can ask her follow-up question yeah so you mentioned the netherlands

00:30:25.540 and what is it particularly the social safety nets like because when you when you talk about

00:30:29.340 scandinavian countries i think that a lot of people refer to their social safety nets and these things

00:30:33.900 that they've got going on is that what what you like about those countries that they've got robust

00:30:37.760 social safety nets yeah and they they also like have the highest quality of life like people are

00:30:43.480 happiest there than anywhere else which i think says something you know what i mean because people

00:30:48.980 complain in the states about high taxes but it's what we're doing with that tax money when we're asking

00:30:53.780 for more when the government's asking for more well they have some pretty high sui rates in in those

00:31:01.540 nordic countries but with the social safety nets though do you understand that those kind of it's

00:31:06.960 like comparing apples and oranges when you compare america to the scandinavian countries

00:31:11.040 because for a number of reasons first of all then they're very very resource rich that like country

00:31:16.260 like norway has more money than it knows what to do with it so like these countries are very they

00:31:21.320 just throw money into into these social programs what's the population like 10 let's yeah no it's

00:31:26.040 like 4 million yeah or something and also they're very very culturally homogenous as well they're very

00:31:30.940 strict with immigration you don't have that in america you guys pay a price for how lenient you

00:31:36.100 are with your borders and everything so it's comparing apples and oranges but they do have

00:31:40.640 i have spent time in some of those countries especially holland and they do have social safety nets but

00:31:45.820 they're pretty different to those countries to here i have a question so do you think that your life

00:31:51.460 would be better like how would it personally affect you if the united states is more socialist

00:31:55.980 i think that's interesting um i don't know i think it would have affected me probably

00:32:06.280 a couple like two years ago more so than now doc vener billy is donated 100 doctors are used as

00:32:15.200 slave labor in cuba the doctors are sent to work in mexico and venezuela and those countries pay cuba

00:32:21.920 doctors earn 30 us dollars a month within cuba cab drivers earn much more doc venerable thank you

00:32:30.220 very much that's a good point like what under a communist society like what is the incentive

00:32:34.640 to work hard if the person who doesn't even work gets the same exact benefits and privileges as you

00:32:41.500 it becomes like more personal and less on survival so one of the things why money is an incentive is

00:32:47.780 because money raises your quality of life here like people still have an incentive to be doctors

00:32:53.020 there because naturally there are some people who want to help people like in other ways than just

00:32:58.160 how much this is going to pay me or how little is it you mentioned that you did you just say that

00:33:03.320 it would have benefited you a little while ago but not anymore is that because you make more money

00:33:07.420 now because you're doing yeah so i'm like i benefit from capitalism now like but if you weren't

00:33:13.160 benefiting from it then you'd want to live in a socialist community no i i would want to either way

00:33:16.780 but i am saying that i like do benefit from capitalism so you're benefiting from capitalism

00:33:20.600 now means you see capitalism in a good light because you're benefiting from it right but if

00:33:24.700 you weren't i i still see the flaws in it but i do benefit from it so if you're making a lot of

00:33:29.580 money right now you'd want to give like most of that money away i do give a decent amount of the

00:33:36.300 money that i make away i definitely stop the cap what do you mean where do you give it like not only

00:33:43.220 that but like in my daily life but also i like donate like i also like so who who do you donate

00:33:49.440 to like things i believe in like it's not one specific thing it kind of changes as it fluctuates

00:33:55.740 what percentage would you say you donate i don't have an exact percentage like roughly or like a

00:34:00.720 couple organizations like any organization you've donated to three non-profits go ahead okay i'm like

00:34:06.880 getting nervous but one of the things like also in my daily life is like i give to people that i know

00:34:15.360 you know what i mean like but what three organizations three any anything um

00:34:21.660 just two i'm trying to think like i yeah sometimes it sometimes it'll escape you we understand look we

00:34:32.740 i appreciate you actually having this conversation because i know it feels like there's like a lot of

00:34:36.260 people ganging up on you right now but you did come and say you're a socialist communist

00:34:39.780 yeah it's got this dying point yeah

00:34:43.700 yeah uh anyways well the reason i'm asking is like is the reason you want it is because you want people

00:34:52.560 to like do you feel like some people are entitled to other people's money because that's basically what

00:34:58.180 socialism is i don't think like other people aren't entitled to other people's money but i think

00:35:05.020 everyone should be like i don't think people should be living on the street you know what i mean on a

00:35:09.140 baseline like i think the wealth disparity in the united states is like a crisis that's what i'm trying

00:35:14.600 to get at the the notion that you're talking about where people will become doctors just because they

00:35:18.760 want to help people and stuff it's so verifiably untrue even if you look at the example that you said

00:35:24.180 cuba when che Guevara was in the in charge of the finances there he ran this big campaign where he

00:35:29.580 was going to get everybody to rally around the nation and everybody to rally around cuba and to

00:35:34.080 do their work and it failed so miserably because people were just like but you're not we're not

00:35:38.960 really paying us like why would we do it and there was a um a saying in the soviet union that was

00:35:43.940 they pretend to pay us we pretend to work which meant that the government just pretends to pay us

00:35:48.940 and we just pretend to do the work so nothing actually gets done but when you look at a capitalist

00:35:53.280 system for all its flaws and you know you've done a good job in identifying some of the flaws

00:35:57.700 um one of the biggest strengths is that people are incentivized you can literally come from the

00:36:02.660 bottom and we have such social and economic mobilization in capitalist countries that you

00:36:06.700 can get to the absolute top and there are many examples of that but if you go to countries that have

00:36:10.980 been decimated by communism like when you spend time in cambodia the only people that are rich

00:36:17.180 are the high level military personnel and government that's it a great example of a country that

00:36:24.660 socialism has taken over is venezuela they were doing better than the united states economically

00:36:29.420 and then they actually voted in socialism it's one of the few countries they voted in and it wasn't

00:36:34.580 even a dictator that took over anything and then now it like they wouldn't even be able to afford

00:36:41.120 like a meal for their family a week they have like the inflation was so bad because the government

00:36:45.840 just kept on printing more and more money and that's honestly also what's happening in the states

00:36:49.640 it's because more socialist policies have been implemented and that's actually lowered the

00:36:54.020 standard of living because we've been printing more and more money there are some correlations there but

00:36:58.780 yeah venezuela like she said it's another good example and there was a guy named um hugo chavez in

00:37:04.860 the early in the 1990s that was president of venezuela and he and venezuela at this time was one of the

00:37:10.200 burgeoning countries in the world economically and they had all these like natural resources and they were

00:37:15.360 killing it and all these celebrities were going to venezuela and and it was amazing and then he

00:37:19.920 brought in socialism and this very nationalized the industries and this is one of the great dangers of

00:37:24.080 socialism which is which is what maybe you haven't quite realized yet is that when the government

00:37:29.080 nationalizes things they're normally pretty bad at it they're normally pretty bad at it like you look

00:37:34.580 at south africa at the moment i don't know if you guys have seen much about what's happening in south

00:37:38.040 africa at the moment the government nationalized everything the anc bless them and uh it's it's

00:37:45.460 it's basically a failed state it's falling apart so it happens when the government nationalizes things

00:37:49.460 because they don't have the incentive it's not people making money off it and businesses yeah i think

00:37:54.840 it's also you talking about like different countries it's interesting when you think about

00:37:58.900 if you travel to other countries and you interact with the people there like for example i work i run a

00:38:04.100 nonprofit where i go and like do workshops and stuff with people in different countries and something

00:38:08.280 that i always hear most places that i go to is that people want to come to the united states like it's

00:38:13.580 just a it's just a trend like if you travel and you go and you see other cultures a lot of times people

00:38:18.480 are interested in coming to the united states for various reasons mostly financially like if you go to

00:38:23.540 a country that's really struggling and they're not a capitalist society they want money from the united

00:38:28.520 states they're expect they see a united states person and they say money like that's what they look at you

00:38:33.060 know so it's something to think about because i mean you said you're from florida right or you live

00:38:37.460 in florida i live in florida last time i was in fort lauderdale i thought i was in cuba and i mean

00:38:42.400 it's really interesting because it shows that like people want to be in the united states you know people

00:38:46.280 want to come to america because they see it as not only a place of freedom but a place for economic

00:38:50.720 gain so like i was like born in like the poorest part of the country like appalachia right and like

00:38:57.080 that's where i'm from so i think like a lot of my opinions do have to do with seeing the wealth

00:39:01.480 disparity as such a firsthand experience that i think maybe some people like haven't got to see

00:39:07.100 that it's like it honestly like in a lot of ways it's like there are people that still like have

00:39:12.940 outhouses you know what i mean okay the poor hunter donated 100 this has got to be the most boring

00:39:20.960 conversation i'm sitting here with my left hand in my pants and have never been more turned off

00:39:26.360 um we've talked about this for a little too long i'll have a brief back and forth with you please

00:39:30.960 don't anybody else jump in and then two minutes and then we'll move back so um hunter thank you for

00:39:36.520 your tts uh tts appreciate it so question for you if if nobody wants to work and they just want to go

00:39:47.160 in and take the free bread every morning what happens if you multiply that by everybody

00:39:53.000 i think you underestimate the degree to which people are lazy

00:39:57.320 i mean maybe but there's no like indicator for that there's no indicator that people are lazy

00:40:04.600 like or how like many people are lazy or like whatever what would happen like over a certain

00:40:12.280 period of time what would happen over a okay i mean there's also this uh concept of the tragedy of

00:40:20.440 the commons like everybody owns something nobody owns it like if collectively everybody owns everything

00:40:28.280 so nobody's gonna give a damn about it nobody's gonna take care of it and everything just withers

00:40:33.080 into district uh disrepair i mean most people in my generation won't be able to afford a home

00:40:37.960 so i think it's kind of like the same thing well i think we can also acknowledge look i mean i

00:40:41.800 i think anybody who's in favor of capitalism can obviously acknowledge that it's not perfect

00:40:46.360 and there's flaws and there's losers in the system but i mean there is no better system that so far

00:40:53.240 devised as capitalism because like okay you you have you may very well have fair criticisms and valid

00:41:02.760 criticisms of capitalism but it's not clear to me if the answer is let's just tear it all down and

00:41:10.360 install a new system i guess like that would be where my opinion is it's like it would be the

00:41:18.040 closest thing like what something closer to so are you merely just a a critic of capitalism i guess

00:41:26.680 more so yeah but i mean you said you're socialist slash communist yeah that would be that's like the

00:41:32.040 closest thing to identify with for me or where but you can i mean you can still be in favor of capitalism

00:41:37.960 but also acknowledge here's some way ways capitalism gets it wrong here's some ways we can improve it

00:41:46.840 i don't know where i sit on that because the system that you're suggesting that we switch to

00:41:53.480 communism is i mean it's been attempted it's failed i suppose in some perfect way like if if we're

00:42:01.400 if you're expecting people to move in the most idealistic way then perhaps it could work

00:42:07.960 but people break rules people break systems

00:42:16.040 so if if you have imperfect actors who are criminals for example you have people that can be uh

00:42:25.880 greedy if those greedy people become the uh people that have hold the power i guess in this communist

00:42:32.200 society aren't how's that gonna work then like corruption like if corruption happens and are

00:42:39.320 humans corrupt naturally are humans i don't think so you don't think naturally like i feel when there's

00:42:47.080 no incentive to be greedy which greed usually like is there survival like instinct then i don't think

00:42:54.040 naturally most people like well so how do you result to corruption but so you're saying you're saying

00:42:59.960 if there's like this base level of sustenance that people could reach then we would live in some like

00:43:05.160 utopia i'm not saying like everything would be perfect all the time let's say let's say let's say the standard

00:43:11.000 of living for everyone everyone had health insurance everybody had food everybody had house

00:43:16.120 you you don't think there would be people that want more i think maybe some but it would be pretty sparse

00:43:24.280 pretty sparse okay all right okay um we're gonna move on from the yeah guys go to twitch.tv

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00:43:42.040 okay okay um is there something dating related that you disagree with us on with the show on i

00:43:48.280 can't hold on seven sekali in seven hundred and seventy-seven sextillion seven hundred and seventy-seven

00:43:55.880 quintillion seven hundred and seventy-seven quadrillion seven hundred and seventy-seven trillion seven

00:44:01.720 hundred and seventy-seven billion seven hundred and seventy-seven million seven hundred and seventy-seven

00:44:06.920 thousand seven hundred and seventy-seven oh fuller making it one hundred it's up to the clips

00:44:11.160 my sprinkler goes like this

00:44:13.020 comes back like this

00:44:22.980 stochastic decay donated $99

00:44:31.540 hey I haven't seen this guy in a while

00:44:33.880 thank you man

00:44:35.300 long day I've been donating to a ton of charities

00:44:38.920 so many I can't name one

00:44:41.100 anyway does the commie

00:44:43.420 share profits evenly with her

00:44:45.380 typer or does she exploit

00:44:47.300 labor my typer

00:44:49.280 your chatter

00:44:51.000 I run it all myself

00:44:52.940 okay alright

00:44:54.620 that's a good question

00:44:56.980 do you exploit labor

00:44:59.020 do I exploit

00:45:01.080 my own I guess

00:45:02.660 oh okay alright

00:45:04.160 good to do stochastic decay good to see you

00:45:07.300 so is there anything not

00:45:11.060 maybe more dating related

00:45:13.420 that you disagree with us on

00:45:15.180 or is it more just like

00:45:18.640 I'm super left leaning

00:45:20.000 I view you as like conservative

00:45:21.420 so like you're more

00:45:23.220 generally disagreeing politically

00:45:26.900 yeah

00:45:28.320 well you do have a couple women here

00:45:30.360 who are

00:45:30.900 pro life

00:45:33.600 and I suspect given your political leanings are pro-choice

00:45:37.060 is that fair to say

00:45:38.300 yeah

00:45:38.760 okay

00:45:39.560 I'd be interested to see where the table is on that

00:45:41.640 yeah why don't we see like who's pro-choice

00:45:44.160 who's pro-life

00:45:44.980 pro-life

00:45:46.400 well here start with you

00:45:47.740 we'll go around the table

00:45:48.600 pro-life

00:45:49.480 pro-choice

00:45:51.160 very pro-life

00:45:52.840 pro-choice

00:45:54.280 pro-life

00:45:55.180 pro-life

00:45:56.260 pro-life

00:45:57.900 anti-abortion every day

00:45:59.900 okay

00:46:00.460 so we have

00:46:01.460 is it two verses

00:46:04.140 what six

00:46:05.040 seven

00:46:05.360 abortion is the greatest human rights and justice of our time

00:46:11.500 say that again

00:46:12.300 oh she's wearing the shirt

00:46:14.340 abortion is the greatest human rights and justice of our time

00:46:16.680 alright there you have it

00:46:17.800 just a fact

00:46:18.860 just a fact

00:46:19.480 wait so

00:46:20.160 you know

00:46:21.420 before I have

00:46:22.360 like me

00:46:22.960 maybe before me and Jake weigh in

00:46:24.920 as somebody who's pro-choice

00:46:27.520 do you think

00:46:29.940 I often hear the term

00:46:32.620 no uterus

00:46:33.640 no opinion

00:46:34.260 do you

00:46:35.680 do you concur

00:46:36.260 do you agree with that

00:46:37.220 um

00:46:38.160 not a hundred percent

00:46:39.860 okay

00:46:40.180 because it's like

00:46:41.240 I feel like a father should have rights

00:46:43.100 you know what I mean

00:46:43.980 and should have a say

00:46:44.780 I feel like ultimately

00:46:46.220 because it's a woman and her body

00:46:47.800 she should have the majority

00:46:49.080 one septillion one hundred

00:46:50.940 and eleven sextillion one hundred

00:46:52.920 and eleven quintillion

00:46:54.040 one hundred and eleven quadrillion

00:46:55.900 one hundred and eleven trillion

00:46:57.560 one hundred and eleven billion

00:46:59.200 one hundred and eleven million

00:47:00.780 one hundred and eleven thousand

00:47:02.500 one hundred and eleven

00:47:03.580 donated one hundred dollars

00:47:05.000 I hope it doesn't get

00:47:05.700 my helicopter goes like this

00:47:07.360 uh

00:47:10.160 thank you one trillion billion

00:47:25.320 thank you

00:47:25.900 thank you

00:47:26.120 thank you

00:47:26.460 um

00:47:27.220 wait you said that you think

00:47:28.800 fathers should have rights

00:47:30.420 but so we're

00:47:31.420 I mean if we're talking about abortion

00:47:32.560 so you're

00:47:32.980 are you arguing that

00:47:33.780 men should be able to compel women

00:47:35.440 to get abortions

00:47:37.300 um

00:47:37.940 it's kind of

00:47:38.500 I'm just kidding

00:47:39.380 no I think they should have a say

00:47:42.380 you know what I mean

00:47:43.320 what do you mean

00:47:43.900 how should

00:47:44.320 how would a man have a say

00:47:45.440 like in the

00:47:45.760 in the

00:47:46.540 realm of like

00:47:48.600 pro-life or pro-trace

00:47:49.460 but okay

00:47:49.840 I feel like they should have an opinion

00:47:51.620 I mean

00:47:52.440 oh well that's

00:47:53.100 an overpowering opinion

00:47:54.160 not an opinion that overshadows

00:47:55.700 but you specifically

00:47:56.700 I think if

00:47:57.600 correct me if I'm wrong

00:47:58.880 I think you specifically said

00:47:59.940 men should have rights

00:48:01.140 fathers should have rights

00:48:02.680 yeah I feel like

00:48:03.600 related

00:48:04.040 yeah in terms of like

00:48:06.080 to a court

00:48:07.460 and child support

00:48:08.380 and just all of that

00:48:09.540 nature

00:48:10.000 women usually do have like

00:48:11.880 a benefit over that

00:48:13.300 but

00:48:14.080 I mean

00:48:15.420 since we're specifically

00:48:16.900 talking about abortion

00:48:18.020 do you think

00:48:18.540 men should

00:48:19.620 be able to compel women

00:48:20.920 to have abortions

00:48:21.680 compel them to

00:48:23.760 like let's say

00:48:24.560 she wants to keep the kid

00:48:25.660 he doesn't want to keep the kid

00:48:28.740 should he

00:48:29.380 be able to compel her

00:48:31.400 to get an abortion

00:48:32.000 no

00:48:33.080 oh okay

00:48:33.680 because you said

00:48:34.180 like father's rights

00:48:35.520 yeah

00:48:35.840 in the context of abortion

00:48:37.060 we could have a conversation

00:48:38.320 but the father wanted to keep

00:48:38.620 the child

00:48:39.680 then like I say

00:48:40.540 like

00:48:40.780 okay so there's

00:48:41.380 he should be allowed

00:48:42.080 there's a concept called

00:48:42.880 legal paternal surrender

00:48:44.000 where after the child's born

00:48:45.500 or even before the child's born

00:48:47.460 the father can say

00:48:48.260 well obviously

00:48:49.160 he can't have a say

00:48:50.240 in terms of compelling her

00:48:51.340 to have the child

00:48:52.460 but he could say

00:48:53.160 well

00:48:53.440 I'm not going to be

00:48:55.040 I don't want any parental rights

00:48:56.780 and I don't want any

00:48:57.680 financial responsibility

00:48:59.040 or parental responsibility

00:49:00.060 and that's

00:49:01.080 it's a men's rights position

00:49:02.620 legal paternal surrender

00:49:04.180 so you're in favor of that

00:49:06.400 yeah

00:49:06.720 okay that's not

00:49:07.560 I mean it's

00:49:09.060 semi-related

00:49:10.140 to the abortion issue

00:49:11.020 but it's not really central to it

00:49:12.500 although I would

00:49:13.800 I would certainly agree with you

00:49:14.840 that for example

00:49:15.420 in any state

00:49:15.980 where abortion is legal

00:49:17.280 certainly there should be

00:49:19.140 a corresponding legal paternal surrender

00:49:21.180 where a man

00:49:21.740 could say

00:49:22.640 well I

00:49:23.280 you know

00:49:24.380 if a woman has a right

00:49:25.360 to murder the child

00:49:26.180 I ought to at least

00:49:27.760 be able to

00:49:29.320 do away with my

00:49:32.380 parental responsibilities

00:49:33.860 and obligations

00:49:34.600 so that when it comes to

00:49:36.000 child support

00:49:36.720 or any sort of

00:49:37.780 parental responsibility

00:49:38.680 I think that's a fair position

00:49:41.040 is there like a certain cut off

00:49:44.100 I know that abortion

00:49:45.220 there's like a

00:49:47.180 isn't there a time frame

00:49:48.440 of when you can

00:49:49.420 and can't get one

00:49:50.420 do you support

00:49:51.000 late term abortions

00:49:52.680 is that what it's called

00:49:53.360 when it's later on

00:49:54.800 would you

00:49:55.500 like support that

00:49:57.380 or be an advocate

00:49:58.000 for a late term abortion

00:49:59.660 I mean

00:50:02.180 it's not my

00:50:03.460 you know

00:50:04.600 my body

00:50:05.280 so yeah

00:50:06.040 I mean pretty much

00:50:06.960 it's not my choice to make

00:50:08.300 it's someone else's

00:50:09.060 I don't think I should

00:50:10.060 take that from someone

00:50:11.100 I think

00:50:15.380 oh yeah

00:50:16.340 that's

00:50:17.020 he was dropping

00:50:19.720 okay hold on

00:50:21.260 let me

00:50:21.460 I'm gonna look into that

00:50:22.400 continue on with the

00:50:23.140 conversation guys

00:50:23.920 if you had to say

00:50:24.720 from your standpoint though

00:50:25.960 if you had to

00:50:27.060 make a cut off

00:50:28.060 of when you think

00:50:28.860 is a reasonable time

00:50:30.060 where it's

00:50:30.720 it's no longer ethical

00:50:32.180 to have an abortion

00:50:33.340 what would that cut off be

00:50:34.440 my whole stance

00:50:38.220 is that

00:50:38.700 I don't think it's my

00:50:39.940 my choice

00:50:40.860 to make that

00:50:41.460 for other people

00:50:42.120 so if

00:50:42.500 if a woman was

00:50:43.580 if a woman was

00:50:45.260 in labor

00:50:46.060 and she said

00:50:47.020 I want to kill

00:50:47.480 this baby

00:50:47.920 you'd be

00:50:48.300 I mean no

00:50:48.800 okay so what's

00:50:50.240 the cut off

00:50:50.660 then

00:50:51.980 I mean like

00:50:53.240 labor is in process

00:50:54.560 of giving birth

00:50:55.240 what about a day

00:50:55.740 a day before

00:50:56.420 yeah

00:50:57.900 yes

00:50:58.520 you think that it's

00:50:59.160 fine

00:50:59.420 have you ever seen

00:51:01.020 what it looks like

00:51:01.780 yeah

00:51:02.460 an abortion

00:51:02.900 taking place

00:51:03.600 yeah

00:51:04.320 you have

00:51:05.240 you have seen

00:51:05.940 that

00:51:06.120 what does it

00:51:06.460 look like

00:51:06.820 I mean there's

00:51:07.760 like different

00:51:08.100 types of abortion

00:51:08.900 you can take

00:51:09.440 the pill

00:51:10.100 you think you can

00:51:11.060 take a pill

00:51:11.500 no

00:51:11.800 in terms of

00:51:12.640 a late term

00:51:13.260 abortion

00:51:13.680 like the day

00:51:14.360 before

00:51:14.680 let's say

00:51:15.040 do you know

00:51:15.220 what that

00:51:15.400 would look like

00:51:15.780 I mean I've seen

00:51:15.980 what like

00:51:16.500 a full term

00:51:18.140 like fetus

00:51:18.820 looks like

00:51:19.420 yeah

00:51:19.980 what's the difference

00:51:20.580 between the baby

00:51:21.200 a day before

00:51:22.140 the woman goes

00:51:23.000 into labor

00:51:23.380 and then

00:51:24.060 well

00:51:24.560 the woman's in labor

00:51:25.820 what's the difference

00:51:27.020 between those children

00:51:28.200 like

00:51:29.360 why does one get

00:51:31.000 the right to life

00:51:31.800 and the other one

00:51:32.340 doesn't

00:51:32.660 I just think

00:51:34.200 it's prioritized

00:51:35.080 until the child

00:51:35.900 is born

00:51:36.260 I think you should

00:51:36.780 prioritize

00:51:37.380 the person

00:51:39.140 bearing

00:51:40.060 the child

00:51:41.160 first

00:51:41.680 their mental health

00:51:43.220 their body

00:51:44.000 everything

00:51:44.720 but are you agreeing

00:51:45.620 that there's another

00:51:46.120 person involved

00:51:46.840 I mean potentially

00:51:50.440 there could be

00:51:51.140 potentially or is there

00:51:52.120 because if you were

00:51:53.340 if someone were to get

00:51:54.160 killed you wouldn't say

00:51:55.060 potentially someone

00:51:55.920 got killed

00:51:56.340 you'd be like

00:51:56.760 someone got killed

00:51:57.700 that's crazy

00:51:58.260 okay then no

00:51:58.840 so there is another

00:52:00.320 person involved

00:52:00.960 no

00:52:01.340 so just to make

00:52:02.940 both of your

00:52:03.440 stances clear

00:52:04.480 you both don't

00:52:06.060 think that

00:52:06.900 like when do you

00:52:07.980 think that the

00:52:08.980 unborn becomes a person

00:52:10.220 I would disagree

00:52:11.640 with that

00:52:12.160 I am not as

00:52:12.860 extreme in that

00:52:13.640 way

00:52:13.980 I'm pro-choice

00:52:16.200 but I would say

00:52:17.420 I used to be

00:52:17.980 much more aloof

00:52:18.680 with it

00:52:19.080 like anybody

00:52:19.800 should be able

00:52:20.320 to get an abortion

00:52:20.860 not at any time

00:52:21.960 but like in a

00:52:22.560 reasonable amount

00:52:23.240 of time

00:52:23.680 which I don't know

00:52:25.580 exactly what that

00:52:26.300 would be

00:52:26.760 and the more I

00:52:27.800 listen to

00:52:28.300 podcasts like this

00:52:30.120 and other things

00:52:31.040 that talk about this

00:52:31.820 I would say

00:52:32.420 I completely agree

00:52:34.400 that there needs

00:52:35.100 to be like a

00:52:35.660 serious cutback

00:52:37.120 and like you

00:52:38.160 probably know

00:52:38.580 the statistics

00:52:39.100 of how much

00:52:39.700 it happens

00:52:40.300 that's it's

00:52:41.620 like crazy

00:52:42.140 it's probably

00:52:42.760 like really

00:52:43.200 out of control

00:52:43.860 how much

00:52:44.300 what happens

00:52:44.840 how much

00:52:45.340 abortion happens

00:52:46.440 like I think

00:52:47.680 that there's

00:52:48.200 probably a lot

00:52:48.820 of people

00:52:49.200 using it as

00:52:50.640 you know

00:52:51.700 a backup plan

00:52:52.500 birth control

00:52:52.980 exactly

00:52:53.480 and I don't

00:52:54.380 agree with that

00:52:54.880 I do think

00:52:55.740 that there's

00:52:56.080 probably a lot

00:52:56.520 of benefit

00:52:56.800 to cutting it

00:52:57.380 back

00:52:57.680 if you had

00:52:58.740 to say

00:52:59.080 when do you

00:52:59.580 think that

00:53:00.020 a human life

00:53:00.620 becomes a human

00:53:01.220 life

00:53:01.580 that's tough

00:53:03.340 I would say

00:53:04.280 it's pretty early

00:53:04.980 for me

00:53:05.520 like I think

00:53:06.140 you know

00:53:06.500 when it's just

00:53:07.000 the first

00:53:07.580 little cells

00:53:08.660 that usually

00:53:09.140 everyone talks

00:53:09.760 about

00:53:10.020 like I would

00:53:10.740 say yeah

00:53:11.200 that's reasonable

00:53:12.440 if you just

00:53:13.000 found out

00:53:13.340 you were pregnant

00:53:13.880 what if I were

00:53:14.320 to tell you

00:53:14.740 that it's an

00:53:15.200 unassailable

00:53:15.680 scientific fact

00:53:16.620 that a human

00:53:17.220 life becomes

00:53:17.860 a human life

00:53:18.460 at the moment

00:53:18.800 of conception

00:53:19.320 that

00:53:21.100 that would be

00:53:22.200 a claim

00:53:23.100 it's like hard

00:53:23.800 for me to

00:53:24.260 fully believe

00:53:25.120 that

00:53:25.420 but if

00:53:25.760 you like

00:53:26.420 propaganda

00:53:26.820 is real

00:53:27.200 if you could

00:53:28.040 fully convince

00:53:29.480 me of that

00:53:30.000 then yeah

00:53:30.440 I would say

00:53:30.960 that 90%

00:53:31.880 of biologists

00:53:32.580 actually agree

00:53:33.300 that life

00:53:33.600 begins at

00:53:33.980 conception

00:53:34.320 so if

00:53:35.760 we're deciding

00:53:36.640 when someone

00:53:37.400 lives or dies

00:53:38.000 I think we

00:53:38.400 have to have

00:53:38.880 a definitive

00:53:39.320 point

00:53:39.800 you know

00:53:40.140 we can't

00:53:40.420 just arbitrarily

00:53:41.200 pick a point

00:53:41.900 in pregnancy

00:53:42.240 to decide

00:53:42.760 whether someone

00:53:43.540 has the right

00:53:43.940 to life

00:53:44.180 or not

00:53:44.520 and since

00:53:45.360 biology does

00:53:46.300 say

00:53:46.780 fertilization

00:53:47.700 is the start

00:53:48.300 of life

00:53:48.680 it seems to me

00:53:49.820 that that's the

00:53:50.500 only like

00:53:51.100 viable time

00:53:52.060 we can say

00:53:52.620 that that's

00:53:53.720 when life

00:53:53.980 begins

00:53:54.320 and therefore

00:53:54.680 we must

00:53:55.000 protect all

00:53:55.520 life

00:53:55.820 from the moment

00:53:56.580 of conception

00:53:56.980 all the way

00:53:57.760 up until birth

00:53:58.260 and afterwards

00:53:58.980 too

00:53:59.400 seems like

00:53:59.980 you're very

00:54:00.300 open-minded

00:54:00.900 about it

00:54:01.360 which is good

00:54:01.920 and I think

00:54:02.600 that if you

00:54:03.040 follow this

00:54:03.820 path of logic

00:54:04.580 you'll eventually

00:54:05.480 find yourselves

00:54:06.800 with your back

00:54:07.960 up against the

00:54:08.440 wall

00:54:08.640 where you realize

00:54:09.500 that it's not

00:54:10.980 even scientifically

00:54:11.920 contested

00:54:13.120 with anybody

00:54:13.860 who's worth their

00:54:14.540 salt in the

00:54:14.980 field of biology

00:54:15.580 to say that

00:54:16.440 human life

00:54:16.880 doesn't begin

00:54:17.380 at the moment

00:54:17.920 of conception

00:54:18.440 so I mean

00:54:20.780 you find yourself

00:54:21.620 in a position

00:54:22.000 and I've done

00:54:22.640 this as well

00:54:23.020 I used to be

00:54:23.620 pro-life

00:54:24.460 I used to be

00:54:25.300 pro-choice

00:54:25.780 sorry myself

00:54:26.380 and eventually

00:54:27.740 you're just

00:54:28.080 confronted with

00:54:28.560 the facts

00:54:28.860 and you can't

00:54:30.320 really

00:54:30.540 I don't know

00:54:31.280 I don't know

00:54:31.720 if this was

00:54:32.140 asked

00:54:32.420 one question

00:54:32.940 for you

00:54:33.420 do you have

00:54:34.120 a sense

00:54:34.600 of like

00:54:35.580 should a

00:54:36.180 woman be able

00:54:37.540 to get an

00:54:37.860 abortion

00:54:38.240 at any point

00:54:41.200 throughout the

00:54:41.580 pregnancy

00:54:41.920 or do you

00:54:42.440 have a cut off

00:54:42.960 I feel like

00:54:43.420 that's her

00:54:43.780 choice

00:54:44.220 I feel like

00:54:45.220 it's not

00:54:45.540 for me

00:54:45.820 to decide

00:54:46.440 for someone

00:54:47.340 else

00:54:47.500 so for example

00:54:48.080 like would

00:54:48.500 you be okay

00:54:49.120 with women

00:54:50.420 being able

00:54:50.860 to get abortions

00:54:51.660 a day before

00:54:53.500 they would

00:54:53.820 otherwise

00:54:54.420 give birth

00:54:55.440 I mean

00:54:58.380 like I said

00:54:59.240 it's not my

00:54:59.720 choice

00:55:00.040 it's for somebody

00:55:00.620 else

00:55:00.840 I feel like

00:55:01.420 it's excessive

00:55:02.040 to do it

00:55:02.580 at that point

00:55:03.080 but at the

00:55:03.700 end of the

00:55:03.980 day

00:55:04.140 I'm not

00:55:04.540 I don't

00:55:05.040 why is it

00:55:05.380 excessive

00:55:05.700 what's wrong

00:55:06.500 with an abortion

00:55:07.560 right before

00:55:08.200 birth or

00:55:08.740 whether it's

00:55:09.580 right after

00:55:10.000 conception

00:55:10.340 what's the

00:55:11.060 fundamental

00:55:11.320 difference

00:55:11.820 I mean

00:55:12.500 as something's

00:55:13.260 developing

00:55:13.740 like it feels

00:55:14.440 like it's like

00:55:14.900 oh that's

00:55:15.340 right there

00:55:15.840 at the cut off

00:55:16.540 do you know

00:55:16.920 what I mean

00:55:17.220 so that feels

00:55:17.920 like there's

00:55:19.940 a reasonable

00:55:20.400 time in which

00:55:21.440 but late term

00:55:22.380 abortions don't

00:55:23.160 happen

00:55:23.720 that frequent

00:55:24.560 right but

00:55:25.100 just in terms

00:55:26.840 of having

00:55:27.540 an intellectual

00:55:28.040 conversation

00:55:28.660 about it

00:55:29.200 would you

00:55:31.520 be okay

00:55:32.000 with a

00:55:33.300 woman

00:55:33.560 getting an

00:55:35.060 abortion

00:55:35.340 a day before

00:55:36.080 she would

00:55:36.440 otherwise

00:55:37.000 have a healthy

00:55:38.200 that is her

00:55:39.380 body

00:55:39.680 that is her

00:55:40.160 choice

00:55:40.520 it is not

00:55:41.060 my choice

00:55:41.680 for what

00:55:42.160 someone should

00:55:42.680 do or shouldn't

00:55:43.380 like what I

00:55:44.080 would do

00:55:44.540 is I wouldn't

00:55:45.880 have an abortion

00:55:46.440 at all

00:55:46.960 but that's me

00:55:48.300 why wouldn't

00:55:48.800 you have an

00:55:49.120 abortion

00:55:49.320 because I

00:55:50.260 feel like

00:55:50.520 for me

00:55:50.960 like what

00:55:51.540 aligns with

00:55:52.000 me I

00:55:52.440 wouldn't want

00:55:52.900 to do

00:55:53.120 that but

00:55:53.440 it's not

00:55:53.900 my choice

00:55:54.620 to make

00:55:55.100 that for

00:55:55.460 someone else

00:55:56.100 when you

00:55:56.340 say it

00:55:56.580 doesn't align

00:55:57.000 for you

00:55:57.300 is it like

00:55:57.620 a moral

00:55:57.920 thing for

00:55:58.320 you that

00:55:58.600 you wouldn't

00:55:59.020 have an

00:55:59.460 abortion

00:55:59.740 because the

00:56:00.220 whole debate

00:56:00.780 is more

00:56:01.160 the whole

00:56:02.220 thing is

00:56:02.640 morality

00:56:03.080 but for

00:56:03.440 you you

00:56:03.780 said that

00:56:04.420 you wouldn't

00:56:04.900 have one

00:56:05.300 is it a

00:56:05.680 moral thing

00:56:06.040 for you

00:56:06.360 yes the

00:56:07.540 whole topic

00:56:08.100 is moral

00:56:08.620 so yes

00:56:09.240 it's moral

00:56:09.840 on every

00:56:10.340 sense

00:56:10.560 if I were

00:56:10.700 to say

00:56:11.200 I'm for

00:56:12.220 child abuse

00:56:12.960 but you guys

00:56:13.920 aren't

00:56:14.300 therefore I can

00:56:19.320 step in and

00:56:19.580 say um

00:56:20.260 excuse me

00:56:20.720 you can't

00:56:21.140 abuse your

00:56:21.520 child right

00:56:22.460 like moral

00:56:23.240 issues are

00:56:24.560 our problems

00:56:25.260 it's your

00:56:25.720 problem too

00:56:26.240 you know you

00:56:27.100 can't just

00:56:27.360 say I'm

00:56:27.680 personally pro-life

00:56:28.500 but you can

00:56:29.220 do whatever

00:56:29.540 you want

00:56:29.980 you see there

00:56:30.960 are different

00:56:31.280 things that

00:56:32.040 it's that's

00:56:33.120 an extreme

00:56:33.680 I don't think

00:56:34.420 so I mean

00:56:34.820 killing a

00:56:35.440 child could

00:56:36.200 in some ways

00:56:36.680 seem worse

00:56:37.500 than just

00:56:37.880 abusing your

00:56:38.300 child but

00:56:38.840 the point is

00:56:39.880 if it's a

00:56:40.520 moral issue

00:56:41.060 Wiley 50

00:56:43.520 donated $100

00:56:44.960 roughly 63.5

00:56:47.820 million children

00:56:48.640 murdered

00:56:49.080 since Roe v

00:56:50.040 Wade was

00:56:50.980 enacted

00:56:51.420 almost as

00:56:52.700 many as

00:56:53.100 the estimated

00:56:53.760 70 million

00:56:54.700 murdered by

00:56:55.380 their own

00:56:55.880 government under

00:56:56.640 communist Russia

00:56:57.720 pick better

00:56:58.740 beliefs

00:56:59.400 like YHWH

00:57:01.480 thank you

00:57:03.440 Wiley did

00:57:03.840 you want to

00:57:04.100 continue on

00:57:04.560 with your

00:57:04.780 thread

00:57:04.980 yeah I

00:57:05.600 just want to

00:57:06.240 understand in

00:57:07.020 the sense of

00:57:07.740 morality since

00:57:08.340 you agree it's

00:57:08.780 a moral issue

00:57:09.160 right like

00:57:09.540 that's we can

00:57:10.140 agree on that

00:57:10.560 at least

00:57:10.900 right yeah

00:57:11.540 I mean most

00:57:12.080 things are a

00:57:12.740 moral issue

00:57:13.300 right and so

00:57:14.000 if let's talk

00:57:14.600 about another

00:57:15.020 moral issue

00:57:15.600 where you would

00:57:16.740 agree that there

00:57:17.680 should be some

00:57:18.340 kind of objective

00:57:19.340 reality right

00:57:20.160 like do you agree

00:57:21.260 child abuse is

00:57:21.940 wrong yes

00:57:23.300 why you mean

00:57:25.260 why because it

00:57:26.100 harms children

00:57:26.840 right yes we

00:57:28.160 can agree on

00:57:28.600 that and we

00:57:30.000 can agree on

00:57:30.460 many other

00:57:30.880 moral issues

00:57:31.380 where we can

00:57:31.740 both say oh

00:57:32.200 that's wrong

00:57:32.660 that's hurting

00:57:33.320 somebody else

00:57:33.980 right but this

00:57:35.280 is like a more

00:57:35.920 tricky topic like

00:57:37.140 why is it black

00:57:38.260 and white as

00:57:38.920 like hitting a

00:57:39.600 child or something

00:57:40.320 like that this is

00:57:41.040 something that you

00:57:41.700 know there are

00:57:42.800 responsibilities to

00:57:43.820 bear once this

00:57:44.960 happens and there

00:57:46.200 are a lot of

00:57:46.640 children in foster

00:57:47.440 care and there's

00:57:48.920 a lot of people

00:57:49.640 who are pro and

00:57:50.340 I'm not saying

00:57:50.820 this is you right

00:57:51.500 like you put a lot

00:57:52.720 of effort into

00:57:53.300 fixing the issues

00:57:54.020 that you really

00:57:54.520 donated $100

00:57:55.960 greater than 90%

00:57:58.280 of biologists

00:57:59.140 agree that life

00:58:00.120 begins at

00:58:00.800 conception

00:58:01.340 also an important

00:58:03.280 principle of

00:58:04.040 bioethics when

00:58:05.400 making decisions

00:58:06.260 regarding life or

00:58:07.380 death always are

00:58:08.700 on the side of

00:58:09.540 life

00:58:09.960 hey dr nadalus

00:58:11.160 thank you man

00:58:11.560 appreciate it

00:58:12.180 continue with your

00:58:12.860 point go ahead

00:58:13.460 but it becomes

00:58:14.340 more tricky when

00:58:15.260 it's like most of

00:58:16.040 the people that

00:58:16.760 are pro-life are

00:58:17.620 just like oh just

00:58:18.680 don't do anything

00:58:19.580 or provide anything

00:58:20.520 provide resources

00:58:21.520 for people in

00:58:22.360 tricky positions

00:58:23.300 do you know what

00:58:23.760 I mean like

00:58:24.720 domestic violence

00:58:25.880 is a huge issue

00:58:27.680 and it's most of

00:58:30.180 it isn't even you

00:58:31.040 know put on to

00:58:32.060 numbers I mean I

00:58:33.580 would argue

00:58:33.980 honestly that pro-life

00:58:35.500 people generally do

00:58:36.700 care more about like

00:58:37.920 the entire life versus

00:58:39.040 just the fetus

00:58:40.060 because you hear that

00:58:40.860 a lot you know oh

00:58:41.540 pro-life people only

00:58:42.160 care about the fetus

00:58:43.120 that's not true

00:58:44.100 pregnancy resource

00:58:45.240 centers actually are

00:58:46.580 like four to one to

00:58:47.880 Planned Parenthood and

00:58:48.500 if you call up a

00:58:49.020 Planned Parenthood and

00:58:49.600 ask them hey I'm

00:58:50.740 having a baby do you

00:58:51.540 have any like resources

00:58:52.320 like diapers and like

00:58:53.560 can I have a place to

00:58:54.560 stay they're gonna be

00:58:55.660 like what are you

00:58:56.200 talking about all we

00:58:56.960 have is the abortion

00:58:57.500 pill like that's all

00:58:58.580 we have for you

00:58:59.180 whereas pro-life people

00:59:00.720 are actually giving

00:59:01.500 resources to women to

00:59:02.660 be able to say like

00:59:03.420 you can do this

00:59:04.420 you're you know you're

00:59:05.380 strong enough to be a

00:59:05.940 mother so I would

00:59:07.220 argue that that's

00:59:07.820 really not the case

00:59:08.440 and they'd also adopt

00:59:09.040 the kid as well

00:59:10.020 yeah that would let

00:59:10.760 you that would make

00:59:11.240 you take it to term

00:59:11.980 and then the adoption

00:59:12.700 list in America is

00:59:13.840 much bigger than the

00:59:14.780 amount of abortions

00:59:15.500 that take place

00:59:16.080 I want to try to get

00:59:17.920 a little bit more

00:59:19.220 precise on the

00:59:20.220 question that I asked

00:59:20.900 you before so I

00:59:22.020 asked you would you

00:59:23.000 be okay with a woman

00:59:24.800 getting an abortion a

00:59:26.240 day before she would

00:59:27.520 otherwise go through

00:59:29.760 with a healthy

00:59:30.320 pregnancy her health

00:59:31.700 her life is at risk

00:59:32.980 the baby's health is

00:59:34.100 fine you said you'd be

00:59:35.920 okay with that correct

00:59:37.480 I mean I feel like it's

00:59:39.320 not for me to put my

00:59:40.600 opinion on what

00:59:41.320 someone else should

00:59:42.280 judge that's for

00:59:43.400 someone else to weigh

00:59:44.120 out not me that is

00:59:45.220 not my responsibility

00:59:45.960 here then I'll make

00:59:47.020 it a two-pronged

00:59:48.140 question for you let's

00:59:50.360 say you've decided a

00:59:52.240 day before you were

00:59:53.100 otherwise going to give

00:59:54.280 birth you decided you

00:59:55.820 want wanted to get

00:59:56.600 an abortion would you

00:59:57.840 I wouldn't do that

00:59:59.260 okay so then and you

01:00:01.380 don't you you would

01:00:04.080 not legislate or to

01:00:08.760 let me think about

01:00:09.480 this you would not

01:00:10.440 put forth legislation

01:00:12.100 to prevent women from

01:00:13.840 getting an abortion a

01:00:16.100 day before they would

01:00:16.780 otherwise give birth

01:00:17.720 no would you at least

01:00:20.280 have some sort of

01:00:21.420 moral objection or

01:00:23.260 judgment to them doing

01:00:24.780 that perhaps you

01:00:26.480 wouldn't want to

01:00:27.120 crimp like I said

01:00:28.300 it's a little bit

01:00:29.720 excessive like I feel

01:00:31.260 like it's what do you

01:00:31.820 mean you're waiting up

01:00:33.020 until the last point

01:00:34.040 you know what I mean

01:00:34.720 do you find it morally

01:00:35.620 objectionable I mean I

01:00:38.920 guess to a degree

01:00:39.780 okay what about so

01:00:41.940 what about an hour

01:00:43.080 before a woman were to

01:00:44.320 otherwise give birth

01:00:45.320 one hour she's in the

01:00:47.140 hospital right but

01:00:48.920 she's in the hospital

01:00:49.800 oh the pain's really

01:00:50.760 bad let's just do an

01:00:51.960 abortion not that I

01:00:53.680 don't think that would

01:00:54.280 that might not be the

01:00:55.480 the pretext for why

01:00:57.340 she would get an

01:00:57.840 abortion but I suppose

01:00:59.480 the pain would still

01:01:00.380 persist anyways but

01:01:01.640 let's say an hour

01:01:02.620 before she was

01:01:03.220 otherwise going to

01:01:04.300 give birth she

01:01:04.880 wanted to get I

01:01:05.640 feel like it's not

01:01:06.880 for me to say like

01:01:08.100 it's not my decision

01:01:08.980 to make like I feel

01:01:10.300 like that's for each

01:01:11.320 individual person to

01:01:12.400 assess their situation

01:01:13.500 but didn't you agree

01:01:14.200 it was a moral issue

01:01:14.900 though you agreed it

01:01:15.940 was a moral issue

01:01:16.440 where if if you

01:01:17.780 agree it's killing a

01:01:18.940 person that's why you

01:01:19.660 wouldn't do it why

01:01:20.740 would you why would

01:01:21.700 you killing a person

01:01:22.540 I'm saying for me it

01:01:23.780 would feel immoral for

01:01:24.800 me to do why is it

01:01:25.760 immoral to you because

01:01:27.440 if it wasn't under

01:01:28.340 extreme circumstances

01:01:29.300 for me then I have

01:01:30.560 the financial resources

01:01:31.580 that I'm okay with a

01:01:32.500 child like I have

01:01:33.840 everything

01:01:34.060 but you agree it's a

01:01:34.380 child so the moral

01:01:35.220 issue for you is that

01:01:36.180 it kills your child

01:01:36.960 is that correct

01:01:37.640 just no

01:01:39.120 no so then what's

01:01:40.340 wrong with abortion

01:01:40.900 if it doesn't kill a

01:01:41.700 person then abortion

01:01:42.660 is totally fine right

01:01:44.060 you would want more

01:01:45.540 abortions in some ways

01:01:46.380 my personal opinion on

01:01:47.440 what I would do for my

01:01:48.400 body is still I don't

01:01:50.000 think I should push that

01:01:50.880 on anyone else it's the

01:01:51.800 same thing for like a

01:01:52.620 religious belief or

01:01:53.460 anything else like that

01:01:54.540 if there was let me

01:01:56.180 ask you a question if

01:01:56.980 there was a pro life

01:02:00.020 lobby trying to

01:02:00.900 legislate that a woman

01:02:02.260 could not get an

01:02:03.820 abortion a day a day

01:02:08.440 before she would

01:02:09.280 otherwise give birth

01:02:10.140 would you be against

01:02:12.440 that like if you had

01:02:17.340 or there was there was

01:02:18.440 a something on the

01:02:20.280 ballot you know you

01:02:21.500 you could vote can

01:02:23.160 women get an abortion

01:02:25.760 a day before they

01:02:26.660 would otherwise give

01:02:27.380 birth I feel like a

01:02:31.220 day is excessive and

01:02:32.540 if I had to have an

01:02:33.460 opinion it would

01:02:34.040 probably lean more

01:02:34.800 towards I wouldn't

01:02:35.580 want that to happen

01:02:36.360 because it is so

01:02:37.360 last minute what

01:02:38.260 about a second she's

01:02:40.360 she's a second away

01:02:41.600 from from this is

01:02:43.020 still excessive like

01:02:43.920 is this realistic no

01:02:45.240 but okay she's not

01:02:47.240 realistic she's one

01:02:48.240 second away from

01:02:50.060 giving birth should

01:02:53.060 she be able to have

01:02:54.380 an abortion like you

01:02:57.880 might not

01:02:58.160 ridiculous question

01:02:59.400 like one second

01:03:00.480 hypothetical just

01:03:01.420 engage with the

01:03:02.320 hypothetical do you

01:03:02.940 think it's right or

01:03:03.540 wrong like do you

01:03:04.740 think that it's morally

01:03:05.900 right or wrong to do

01:03:06.680 that I feel like for me

01:03:08.140 personally and I can

01:03:09.240 only answer for myself

01:03:10.500 it would be wrong for

01:03:11.620 me but I cannot answer

01:03:12.840 for other people why is

01:03:13.880 it wrong because I feel

01:03:15.580 like I have I can bear

01:03:17.200 the responsibility of a

01:03:18.320 child if it were to

01:03:19.120 happen I feel like I

01:03:20.860 could I have the right

01:03:22.160 resources I can't make

01:03:23.620 that decision for

01:03:24.300 someone else here let

01:03:25.280 me give you a

01:03:25.700 hypothetical so okay

01:03:27.020 the woman's in the

01:03:28.660 hospital she's an hour

01:03:30.000 away from otherwise

01:03:30.840 giving birth at 59

01:03:33.660 minutes before giving

01:03:35.180 birth she realizes that

01:03:37.380 her entire life savings

01:03:39.120 have been wiped out

01:03:40.160 she can no longer

01:03:41.460 financially you know

01:03:42.620 she's realized oh no

01:03:43.880 my my finances have

01:03:45.400 been totally wiped

01:03:46.100 away on this sole

01:03:47.700 basis now before I was

01:03:50.620 able to financially

01:03:51.280 provide now I can't

01:03:52.740 she wants to now get

01:03:54.980 an abortion because

01:03:55.920 just financially she's

01:03:57.040 not in a good

01:03:57.380 position do you think

01:03:58.560 that that that is

01:03:59.400 sufficient reason to

01:04:02.880 get an abortion

01:04:03.400 like I don't know how

01:04:05.600 many times I have to

01:04:06.400 say it like it's not my

01:04:07.860 opinion to have it's

01:04:09.460 it's that simple it's

01:04:10.720 not for me to have an

01:04:11.800 opinion on someone else

01:04:12.860 like jump in I

01:04:14.660 understand your point

01:04:15.540 that you're not trying

01:04:16.320 to like make your

01:04:17.960 opinion influence

01:04:19.800 someone else's decision

01:04:20.820 and it's kind of like

01:04:22.820 oh each individual

01:04:23.480 person should just do

01:04:24.440 what they want but

01:04:25.640 then what would be the

01:04:26.480 point in having a

01:04:27.800 government that takes

01:04:28.980 care of people if we

01:04:30.000 just say oh do

01:04:30.800 whatever you want at

01:04:31.620 the risk of whoever

01:04:32.620 like it doesn't make

01:04:33.980 sense it's not at the

01:04:34.960 risk of but this is

01:04:36.300 a contained issue it's

01:04:37.720 the same thing as if

01:04:38.600 you were to push a

01:04:39.260 religion on every single

01:04:40.260 person that it doesn't

01:04:41.800 there are certain things

01:04:42.880 that don't work and

01:04:43.800 they aren't so black and

01:04:44.860 white and this is one

01:04:45.560 of the things that sit in

01:04:46.540 a very gray area but

01:04:47.940 there are certain rights

01:04:48.740 that everyone has that

01:04:50.200 is black and white like

01:04:51.940 life liberty and the

01:04:53.420 pursuit of happiness

01:04:54.380 why is it all black and

01:04:56.060 white for you because it

01:04:58.100 is an issue of morality

01:04:59.420 but there's a morality is

01:05:01.140 not black and white

01:05:02.320 it's not it's what's

01:05:03.620 done

01:05:03.820 oh yo rick are you

01:05:07.460 hunter on stream labs is

01:05:09.480 that you rick are you

01:05:10.740 hunter send another super

01:05:12.180 so i can see it um here

01:05:14.160 last last back and forth

01:05:15.760 and we're going to switch

01:05:16.460 gears a bit if you guys

01:05:17.380 want to just wrap up on

01:05:18.300 the point um i just

01:05:19.560 wanted to also ask uh do

01:05:21.040 you know what the point

01:05:21.620 of viability is like

01:05:22.820 what's the difference

01:05:23.260 between a child at 20

01:05:24.280 weeks versus like right

01:05:25.300 before birth um like

01:05:27.940 probably like pain but

01:05:30.800 much it can feel pain

01:05:32.020 like i don't know

01:05:32.920 biological because most

01:05:34.540 places in the united

01:05:35.240 states you can have an

01:05:36.320 abortion all the way up

01:05:37.780 to the point of

01:05:38.380 viability and babies are

01:05:40.000 being born in the same

01:05:41.900 hospitals where they're

01:05:42.680 being aborted do you

01:05:44.000 think that that's a moral

01:05:45.620 issue where like these

01:05:46.700 children one child gets

01:05:48.760 the right to life they

01:05:49.800 get to have you know the

01:05:51.040 life that you have right

01:05:51.900 now because their mother

01:05:53.460 made a decision versus a

01:05:55.420 child in a different room

01:05:56.300 is literally being killed

01:05:57.640 pulled apart limb from

01:05:58.760 limb at that at that

01:05:59.680 point in an abortion and

01:06:02.220 they don't have that right

01:06:03.040 to live why is it someone

01:06:04.880 else's decision whether

01:06:05.860 someone lives or dies but

01:06:07.580 it's also consciousness and

01:06:08.560 don't you think that's

01:06:09.160 black and white once you

01:06:10.560 become unconscious right

01:06:11.860 like if you're not if

01:06:13.000 you're in a coma then you

01:06:14.060 no longer have the

01:06:15.180 ability to assess

01:06:16.040 decisions for yourself

01:06:16.960 it's the same thing

01:06:17.760 someone that would be a

01:06:19.400 caretaker to you would

01:06:20.840 make that decision if you

01:06:21.800 should live or die or

01:06:22.580 when it happens it's the

01:06:23.580 same situation you're not

01:06:24.900 conscious so consciousness

01:06:26.300 decides whether you're

01:06:27.380 you yes like value yes

01:06:29.040 well and it has for a

01:06:30.060 long time sleep can you

01:06:31.140 just kill me if I'm

01:06:31.900 asleep just because I

01:06:32.800 would never know the

01:06:33.560 same level of

01:06:34.200 consciousness I don't

01:06:34.760 think there's a gray

01:06:35.460 area it's life or like

01:06:38.340 in death I think I mean if

01:06:40.060 even the moment of

01:06:41.340 contraception it's a

01:06:42.460 living being it's life

01:06:44.100 there is no gray area

01:06:45.180 there shouldn't be a gray

01:06:46.300 area conscious or not

01:06:48.140 there should be no gray

01:06:49.120 area it's it's

01:06:50.060 completely that's so

01:06:51.240 linear because at the

01:06:52.360 same time you could be

01:06:53.140 like murder is bad but

01:06:54.260 if you were stuck

01:06:55.060 somewhere there is no

01:06:56.100 but murder is bad

01:06:56.940 death right do you

01:06:58.180 think pre-born babies

01:06:58.980 aren't trying to kill

01:06:59.960 you that would be

01:07:00.440 different than you

01:07:01.020 sure but that's not

01:07:02.360 murder self-defense is

01:07:05.300 not murder this is

01:07:06.200 it's an opinion well

01:07:07.380 okay so there are some

01:07:08.160 people that would

01:07:08.700 consider that murder

01:07:09.480 that's the whole issue

01:07:10.700 once the baby is born

01:07:11.480 that newborn requires

01:07:12.700 provably requires their

01:07:14.220 mother to murder but

01:07:15.400 once the baby is born

01:07:16.920 that's a newborn right

01:07:17.820 and you can't just leave

01:07:19.420 a baby and walk away

01:07:20.440 they're not just like

01:07:21.180 now they're on their

01:07:22.000 own like now it's a

01:07:23.000 person separate from

01:07:24.020 itself and the mother

01:07:24.840 has nothing to do with

01:07:25.500 it the child still

01:07:26.740 requires support from

01:07:28.320 people around them so

01:07:29.580 what is the fundamental

01:07:30.160 difference if you're

01:07:30.860 saying it's their her

01:07:31.660 body her choice five

01:07:33.540 seconds before birth but

01:07:34.740 then five seconds after

01:07:35.560 birth suddenly you know

01:07:37.200 consciousness that

01:07:38.140 child like that's

01:07:38.860 terrible

01:07:39.160 it may be consciousness

01:07:40.220 do you remember

01:07:40.860 anything from that

01:07:41.780 moment like when you

01:07:42.840 wait do you think that

01:07:43.860 a child doesn't have

01:07:44.360 consciousness right before

01:07:45.080 they're born like once

01:07:47.100 it takes its first breath

01:07:48.200 and it's into the world

01:07:49.280 so scientifically a child

01:07:51.120 actually has consciousness

01:07:52.100 very very early in

01:07:53.300 pregnancy

01:07:53.680 in fact the heart starts

01:07:55.100 being before a mother

01:07:56.680 even knows she's pregnant

01:07:57.360 all of it like they have

01:08:00.120 brain waves or very early

01:08:01.680 in pregnancy in fact

01:08:02.780 mothers don't even know

01:08:03.580 they're pregnant while

01:08:04.520 their baby's heart starts

01:08:05.420 beating and then not

01:08:06.740 shortly after do they

01:08:07.860 have brain waves so

01:08:09.160 that's why I'm telling

01:08:09.740 you viability is very

01:08:10.760 early because you can

01:08:11.700 have a baby born

01:08:12.500 premature and we can

01:08:13.740 survive outside the

01:08:14.680 womb do you have a

01:08:15.560 final thought or

01:08:16.280 otherwise I'm going to

01:08:16.980 switch gears no is

01:08:18.960 there okay so going

01:08:20.320 back to my initial

01:08:21.380 initial question is

01:08:23.240 there anything anyone

01:08:24.040 who disagrees with me

01:08:26.240 you've seen a clip

01:08:27.660 anything anything else

01:08:29.940 anybody okay all right

01:08:33.160 so maybe there will be

01:08:34.720 some other things we can

01:08:35.440 disagree on we have

01:08:36.480 me too here Canadian

01:08:38.200 50 Brian not a huge

01:08:39.440 fan of you you're not

01:08:40.340 much better than the

01:08:41.060 Tates you're making

01:08:42.260 money off these women

01:08:43.400 at least Tate pretends

01:08:44.420 he's not disgusted with

01:08:45.560 these women I may

01:08:46.860 consider joining this

01:08:47.940 lol podcast and people

01:08:49.360 simply to put you in

01:08:50.340 your place well hey

01:08:51.520 listen we invite I

01:08:52.620 invite people on all the

01:08:53.960 time who disagree with

01:08:54.900 me I'm very open to

01:08:56.280 dissenting opinions and

01:08:57.860 debates so you can it

01:09:00.480 could be you could

01:09:01.440 certainly shoot us a

01:09:02.700 DM on Instagram I like

01:09:04.840 your Karen haircut there

01:09:06.160 it's probably not even

01:09:07.200 you but it would be so

01:09:08.680 good to get a Karen on

01:09:09.420 this podcast Nick come

01:09:10.680 back so I mean you're

01:09:14.320 welcome to shoot us a

01:09:15.360 DM we can see about

01:09:16.540 having you come on the

01:09:17.220 show I'm kind of failing

01:09:19.880 to see your comparison to

01:09:21.280 the Tates because I mean

01:09:22.160 they were I mean I like

01:09:26.820 I'm hosting a podcast

01:09:28.280 where I invite women on

01:09:29.560 the show I'm not really a

01:09:32.920 critic of the Tates but I

01:09:33.860 mean they were involved

01:09:35.140 in like cam cam modeling

01:09:38.380 which like I don't

01:09:39.800 produce any pornographic

01:09:40.960 content so it's totally

01:09:41.920 different but anyways you're

01:09:45.200 welcome to DM us I'm happy

01:09:46.240 to debate all right we have

01:09:48.300 let's see oh we have

01:09:49.720 Stifler here okay let's just

01:09:51.180 get this one out of the

01:09:51.820 way early ask everyone to

01:09:53.460 rate their looks on a scale

01:09:54.460 of one to ten starting with

01:09:55.740 you go ahead if I had to

01:09:57.380 rate myself on a scale of

01:09:58.560 one to ten right now in

01:09:59.800 this outfit I would say

01:10:01.780 like seven okay yeah I

01:10:05.440 feel like a seven six

01:10:08.100 currently I would say I'm

01:10:11.740 like in the five range but

01:10:13.500 when I'm at my best and

01:10:14.780 taking care of myself

01:10:15.560 better I think I can get

01:10:16.980 up to like a six or seven

01:10:18.040 okay I have no idea I

01:10:22.680 I've never really thought

01:10:24.020 about the scaling of

01:10:25.560 people's attractiveness on a

01:10:27.560 number scale of one to ten

01:10:28.980 but so I don't know what

01:10:33.260 I'll push a little there or

01:10:35.320 do you want to do you want

01:10:36.340 to try it right now not

01:10:40.960 really I just don't I don't

01:10:43.820 really believe in putting

01:10:45.100 people on like number scales

01:10:46.180 basically okay well I can

01:10:47.360 I'll engage with you on that

01:10:48.500 in a bit but go ahead what

01:10:49.340 about you I'm kind of the

01:10:50.340 opposite oh hold on

01:10:52.920 Matthew Lee donated one

01:10:54.380 hundred dollars thank you

01:10:55.460 Matthew Lee once you say

01:10:56.580 you have no opinion then

01:10:58.340 why speak stupid shit

01:10:59.840 anything you say means

01:11:01.620 nothing is this directed

01:11:04.520 is that for me at

01:11:05.980 Vixen I think that was

01:11:07.440 something else probably

01:11:11.240 Matthew Lee appreciate it

01:11:13.660 man thank you do you want

01:11:15.500 to I think this is directed

01:11:16.440 to you do you want to

01:11:17.560 respond I mean it's

01:11:19.480 basically like I have an

01:11:20.440 opinion and I have an

01:11:21.480 opinion for myself and then

01:11:23.060 also my opinion is that I

01:11:24.440 shouldn't make opinions for

01:11:25.580 other people because it's

01:11:27.080 so like personalized to

01:11:28.940 other people's issues and

01:11:30.600 what they have going on

01:11:31.660 but I mean so would you

01:11:34.480 fight against legislation

01:11:36.100 that outright banned

01:11:37.140 abortion in this country

01:11:38.340 yes so you do have an

01:11:40.740 opinion you do have a

01:11:42.320 position somewhat yes like

01:11:44.400 and I have an opinion for

01:11:45.860 myself also okay that's

01:11:48.540 pretty much it like I don't

01:11:49.820 think there should be a

01:11:50.480 ruling thumb so I kind of

01:11:53.660 want to like jump off what

01:11:55.940 you were saying you don't

01:11:56.740 think about it a lot

01:11:57.640 honestly when it comes to

01:11:59.040 other people I don't I say

01:12:01.160 they're either pretty or

01:12:02.120 they're not pretty like I

01:12:02.960 can tell off the bat but it

01:12:04.160 comes to myself though I'm

01:12:05.420 the opposite I've been

01:12:06.400 thinking about this like all

01:12:07.920 the time just because I have

01:12:10.220 like struggles with like

01:12:11.320 looking like like lately it's

01:12:14.160 like oh I wish I looked more

01:12:15.480 like Latina or I wish I

01:12:16.660 looked more like what I am so

01:12:19.260 I don't know kind of harsh on

01:12:20.900 myself but I'd say like right

01:12:22.340 now about a five okay Sarah

01:12:25.080 I think it's kind of a stupid

01:12:28.120 question I don't really like I

01:12:31.140 think beauty is subjective for

01:12:32.980 the most part so that's true

01:12:35.380 okay um Jake give myself a

01:12:40.660 seven again hasn't hasn't

01:12:42.840 evolved I give myself a five

01:12:46.100 once I lose some weight though

01:12:47.860 I'll be back to a six let's go

01:12:51.980 um wait so remind me what you

01:12:54.340 said right you said I just said

01:12:56.260 in general I'm not a big fan of

01:12:58.380 the one to ten concept like

01:13:00.420 scaling system and I've and I've

01:13:02.000 heard you say many times you're

01:13:03.840 very objective about this and

01:13:05.100 you're you're very intense about

01:13:06.520 making sure people know that

01:13:07.500 attractiveness is objective and

01:13:09.400 it's on a one to ten scale and

01:13:10.720 you use Victoria's Secret models

01:13:12.080 as like your basis I think that

01:13:13.020 was Jake okay sorry someone said

01:13:15.100 I use Victoria's Secret models

01:13:17.440 as like a although if you've

01:13:18.680 have you seen some of the

01:13:19.600 Victoria's Secret models lately

01:13:20.620 I haven't oh my god it's like

01:13:22.220 have you seen the the fucking

01:13:23.780 like Calvin Klein you know the

01:13:25.680 like obese Calvin Klein oh

01:13:27.180 they've gone woke have they

01:13:28.200 Victoria's Secret forget I ever

01:13:29.640 said it yeah that's actually

01:13:31.460 perfect for what I'm what my

01:13:32.620 point is because once you

01:13:34.280 create like this like top thing

01:13:36.660 like you mentioned like actresses

01:13:38.260 or Victoria's Secret models

01:13:39.520 suddenly that's like the

01:13:41.440 standard that like women have to

01:13:42.960 look to like all of us would

01:13:43.820 look to to say like oh I'm

01:13:44.680 like a five compared to this

01:13:47.060 person's name and as you just

01:13:49.280 pointed out Victoria's Secret

01:13:50.180 models can change all the time

01:13:51.720 and the yeah but they're not

01:13:52.900 they're not put there it's like

01:13:53.820 the classic Victoria's Secret

01:13:55.140 models like the Candace and like

01:13:56.800 back when they had the runways

01:13:57.880 when people actually had legs to

01:13:59.320 walk down and the aisle and now

01:14:01.220 it's like obese people in a

01:14:03.020 wheelchair posing in lingerie

01:14:04.780 honestly I don't think either side

01:14:06.980 is really that good honestly

01:14:08.080 because what we saw is like a

01:14:09.980 complete like 180 to like what

01:14:11.680 Victoria's Secret models like

01:14:13.100 classically are so I totally

01:14:14.640 agree with that like I don't

01:14:15.500 think we need to go from like

01:14:16.420 anorexia to you know full

01:14:18.220 obesity I'm saying to put that

01:14:20.340 as like the height of your scale

01:14:21.940 and like mention women's names

01:14:23.440 who are famous doesn't work in my

01:14:25.320 opinion because someone could

01:14:26.380 become famous who isn't

01:14:27.540 conventionally attractive but

01:14:28.900 now we see them that way

01:14:30.100 we're not saying people who are

01:14:31.080 famous it's not we're saying

01:14:32.480 that these ladies who are

01:14:34.340 typically seen as the most

01:14:35.420 beautiful women in the world

01:14:36.380 the Victoria's Secret

01:14:37.320 I don't even really I don't

01:14:39.640 know too much about this world

01:14:41.360 if I'm if I'm honest but that's

01:14:42.600 just what I sort of saw I think

01:14:44.080 mostly it's females who they

01:14:45.440 tend to appeal to the Victoria's

01:14:47.480 Secret supermodels because

01:14:48.360 females are obviously the ones

01:14:49.320 who are buying this but you know

01:14:50.960 they're pretty attractive as well

01:14:52.180 to men so I think I think the

01:14:54.260 beauty is something that we can

01:14:55.460 quantify you can tell if

01:14:56.700 someone's ugly you can tell if

01:14:57.820 someone's beautiful and you know

01:14:59.580 you can look at all sort of

01:15:01.080 statistics on dating apps as well

01:15:03.300 the kinds of people that people

01:15:04.240 swipe on and I think there's

01:15:06.420 definitely certain objective

01:15:07.600 things that make someone

01:15:08.660 attractive or not attractive

01:15:09.680 but in general a scaling system

01:15:11.760 is my is my issue because

01:15:12.940 putting someone on like a

01:15:14.060 number scale where there's

01:15:15.180 like a one in the ten and

01:15:16.700 you're using examples of like

01:15:18.060 people you particularly find

01:15:19.440 attractive because there could

01:15:20.980 be like a woman you put a

01:15:22.140 picture in front of both of

01:15:22.860 you and one of you guys is

01:15:23.880 like the other one's like

01:15:25.240 people have tops sure there's

01:15:26.760 types but I mean for example

01:15:27.920 so we're we're not far from

01:15:29.620 UCSB here and I think the you

01:15:31.900 go to UCSB correct right I

01:15:33.800 mean there's 20,000 undergrads

01:15:35.940 or something like that probably

01:15:37.760 about 12,000 of those because

01:15:40.660 you know there's more women

01:15:41.440 who go to college but 12,000

01:15:43.140 of those are women and I think

01:15:45.220 if you asked all the male

01:15:46.500 undergrads like okay rank every

01:15:49.000 single woman at this university

01:15:50.300 like and if you had 10,000 men

01:15:52.440 and you put you put all it would

01:15:55.240 take fuck a long fucking time to

01:15:57.520 do this but you you had them

01:15:59.320 rank them there would probably be

01:16:01.400 like people would start like

01:16:03.600 moving more towards the top you

01:16:05.740 know there'd be some more

01:16:06.840 towards the bottom so I mean I

01:16:08.460 think you can if you were to

01:16:10.460 survey people people would come

01:16:12.300 to some degree of consensus now

01:16:14.200 do some people have certain

01:16:15.120 types would some people you know

01:16:17.180 I would say probably and if

01:16:19.020 people were being honest in

01:16:20.040 their rankings and their

01:16:20.820 ratings I would say most people

01:16:22.520 are going to be able to put

01:16:23.300 someone within plus or plus or

01:16:25.260 minus a point typically maybe

01:16:27.320 plus or minus two but you will

01:16:29.240 have a generalized sort of a

01:16:30.980 graph there general consensus of

01:16:33.640 like what there's a beauty

01:16:34.660 standard for a reason now let's

01:16:36.660 I mean when it comes to like

01:16:38.160 you know it's kind of perhaps

01:16:39.360 super I don't know I don't want

01:16:40.800 to put words in your mouth but

01:16:41.740 you said it's you don't see the

01:16:43.500 point of like actually ranking

01:16:45.520 somebody using this sort of

01:16:46.720 scale I know you're currently in

01:16:48.520 a relationship right now I mean

01:16:49.860 maybe looks don't matter a whole

01:16:51.640 lot to you but how tall is your

01:16:55.180 boyfriend he's five eight how

01:16:58.980 tell you five like three four

01:17:01.520 five three or four okay and I

01:17:03.000 mean you've dated people before

01:17:04.960 him correct no oh he's been your

01:17:06.640 only partner yes okay you've been

01:17:09.200 on first dates at all or you've

01:17:11.240 just like accidentally afterwards

01:17:13.060 like I guess that was a date but

01:17:14.280 not really no okay you're 24

01:17:16.420 correct yes okay it's your first

01:17:18.700 relationship so from like 18 to 22

01:17:21.220 you've pretty much been single is

01:17:23.620 that correct yeah okay no first

01:17:25.900 dates during that period no okay

01:17:27.800 well in that case I don't really

01:17:29.420 believe in dating this might not

01:17:30.340 hit totally as I liked it too but

01:17:32.200 do you have any height preference

01:17:34.620 for a man high preference height

01:17:36.840 preference sorry um no no height

01:17:40.120 preference I mean so you wouldn't

01:17:42.040 like I okay I've never thought about

01:17:44.340 it because I just met the person I'm

01:17:46.680 with and sure like I never thought

01:17:47.920 about it ever again okay so perhaps

01:17:49.740 you're an outlier in this regard but

01:17:51.020 would you would you agree that most

01:17:52.720 women yes tend to have a height

01:17:54.580 preference and tend to prefer men

01:17:56.240 who are tall yes I think you you

01:17:58.860 miscalculated my position before when

01:18:01.100 you said I don't care about like

01:18:02.500 attractiveness or whatever I do I'm

01:18:05.680 saying you mentioned the point about

01:18:08.100 the Santa Barbara College and ranking

01:18:09.860 people tens of thousands of votes and

01:18:11.540 everything I would agree on my

01:18:14.060 analysis if I was put into that fool

01:18:16.420 and someone said like oh based on the

01:18:17.860 rankings you're like a six or five or

01:18:19.340 whatever you're like okay because

01:18:21.020 that's the opinions that was was

01:18:22.340 determined by like statistics I'd be

01:18:23.900 like sure I'm a statistic now right but

01:18:25.780 when you're asking me in a table like

01:18:27.800 what do I think I'm just gonna be like

01:18:29.140 I don't know like it doesn't there's no

01:18:30.940 statistic to tell me that so I'm not

01:18:32.960 gonna put myself in a number right and

01:18:34.640 and I'm this I'm bringing this up

01:18:36.520 because I want to ask Sarah here too

01:18:38.420 Sarah do you have a height preference

01:18:40.360 at all when it comes to men um I'll

01:18:44.160 tell you I'm five nine would you date a

01:18:46.420 guy who's five seven I've dated a guy

01:18:48.560 who's like five eight would you prefer

01:18:49.800 to date a guy who's a couple inches

01:18:50.900 taller than you yeah okay well I mean

01:18:53.780 so I mean you said that the question

01:18:55.780 task is stupid to ask people to rate

01:18:58.700 themselves on the scale of one to ten

01:18:59.860 but I mean you're quite literally

01:19:01.620 qualifying or disqualifying men based

01:19:03.680 on a literal numerical uh metric a

01:19:06.660 numerical measurement someone's height

01:19:08.200 which has absolutely no bearing on

01:19:10.040 their capability to be a good partner

01:19:11.560 to you um so you know this this whole

01:19:15.780 idea of you know this this being a

01:19:17.640 stupid question one it's sort of like a

01:19:19.380 uh a check on someone's degree to which

01:19:24.020 they can accurately self-assess their own

01:19:26.180 physical attractiveness which I think

01:19:27.600 when it comes to dating is extremely

01:19:29.440 important because and I won't linger on

01:19:31.380 it too long because I've talked about it

01:19:32.600 plenty of times but if you have an

01:19:34.460 inaccurate self-assessment of your own

01:19:36.180 uh attractiveness you're going to tend

01:19:39.500 to perhaps pursue men who uh I don't

01:19:42.940 pursue men you are okay you don't

01:19:49.040 pursue men you okay you to some degree

01:19:54.940 you are competing for men though no I'm

01:19:58.380 not they're competing for me you think

01:20:00.700 that men are competing to get you but

01:20:03.600 you don't have competition with other

01:20:04.860 women for like a man that you may have

01:20:07.120 compete for a man like I wouldn't go for

01:20:09.240 a man that I had to compete for I want a

01:20:11.040 man that wants me do you think that you

01:20:12.080 have to do your hair and look nice and

01:20:13.520 pretty and wear makeup and all these

01:20:15.040 sorts of things so that you can look

01:20:16.160 pretty so that eventually one of the

01:20:17.460 suitors might think that you're pretty

01:20:18.640 yeah that's not like the whole reason

01:20:22.100 I do it I also just like to look good

01:20:23.140 making an effort so that you can look

01:20:24.500 good so that a man I want people to

01:20:26.040 think I look good but that doesn't mean

01:20:28.240 I am I would like no but I wouldn't

01:20:30.220 compete with other women for a man if

01:20:32.280 they're like oh you naturally are you

01:20:33.320 don't have to say that you are or

01:20:34.460 you're not you just are wait what you

01:20:37.200 just are you don't have to say that

01:20:38.440 you are or you're not you just are

01:20:39.860 because we exist in a marketplace

01:20:41.260 so that you're competing to look

01:20:45.100 pretty so that you can look pretty so

01:20:47.240 that men will find you attractive and

01:20:48.780 it's not that you're trying to elbow

01:20:49.840 some bitches out the way but you just

01:20:51.740 are naturally existing in the sexual

01:20:53.160 marketplace so men are going to find

01:20:55.960 you attractive or unattractive due to

01:20:57.820 their own type and due to how much

01:20:59.580 effort you make and you keep yourself

01:21:00.660 in great shape you look very pretty

01:21:01.840 which is fantastic and you're putting

01:21:04.160 yourself in a good posse in the

01:21:05.260 marketplace would you agree I guess so I

01:21:09.100 don't really look at it like a marketplace

01:21:11.520 though it's not you know it's not like a

01:21:13.940 shopping center but it's it's somewhere

01:21:15.880 where you know you want to increase your

01:21:17.820 value and you take certain steps to

01:21:20.060 increase your value and then you can

01:21:21.980 attract the best the best buyer I don't

01:21:24.940 know that's just not really my view on

01:21:27.080 like dating and relationships is that it's

01:21:29.480 like a market and people have their own

01:21:31.080 specific values because I think different

01:21:33.000 people have different preferences like I want

01:21:35.360 someone who has the same values as me and

01:21:37.660 outlook on like on life and everything so

01:21:40.340 like what I'm looking for in a man is

01:21:44.220 maybe going to be different than like

01:21:46.100 what the average what are you looking for

01:21:47.860 in a man like I want someone who shares

01:21:50.040 the same values and beliefs as me so like

01:21:52.960 I'm like very specific things give me a

01:21:55.300 most important thing what is it well

01:21:57.280 Christianity for sure like somebody who has

01:21:59.260 a relationship with God I think that's

01:22:01.460 like the most important thing for me so

01:22:03.000 that's why I'm saying like that's a

01:22:04.700 completely different value system than

01:22:06.640 maybe like the world has in the sexual

01:22:09.180 market so would you say that a Christian

01:22:10.820 man to you is more appealing than an

01:22:12.740 atheist man yeah would you say that if

01:22:14.860 the if we did look at the sexual

01:22:16.540 marketplace or the dating marketplace as

01:22:18.340 a marketplace he would have be of higher

01:22:20.120 value to you you'd be willing to do

01:22:21.860 more to attract that man's attention yeah

01:22:24.220 but isn't that like more subjective

01:22:26.340 though yeah but it's a marketplace and I

01:22:28.740 go but then that's like my own personal

01:22:30.740 marketplace right yeah exactly but it is a

01:22:32.500 marketplace though because you are looking

01:22:34.060 at men and their qualities and their

01:22:35.480 features and you're making an assessment

01:22:37.300 on them whether they're a good partner

01:22:38.560 for you and they're doing the same for

01:22:40.080 you so you're you're you know like I said

01:22:42.680 before keeping yourself in good shape

01:22:44.200 looking very pretty and then men are going

01:22:46.220 to judge you based on that and also your

01:22:48.380 internal values as well so I think we do

01:22:51.380 exist in a marketplace either even though

01:22:54.120 we don't want to look at it as somewhere

01:22:55.880 where we can go and check out at the

01:22:57.240 counter it is more well I do think I want

01:23:01.000 to take back my answer earlier about beauty

01:23:04.040 being subjective because I think it's

01:23:05.680 kind of like I view it kind of 50% and with

01:23:08.240 what you're saying too like part of it is

01:23:10.360 people do have types and people do have

01:23:12.140 specific preferences like a lot of people

01:23:13.760 want to have people date people with the

01:23:15.740 same values as them or whatever maybe they

01:23:18.580 even just have specific interests that

01:23:20.220 they're looking for so and same with

01:23:23.160 attractiveness like what I might find

01:23:25.700 attractive someone might not find attractive

01:23:27.660 at all like there's some guys that I've

01:23:29.580 dated my friends they're like oh they're

01:23:31.200 so ugly but to me right and like it's

01:23:36.040 true everyone has different types so I

01:23:38.700 think it's like 50% honestly 50% objective

01:23:42.040 but there's an element of subjectivity

01:23:44.400 I would agree I think that beauty is

01:23:46.540 something that's completely unexplainable

01:23:48.200 by any sort of scientific metric but it's

01:23:49.980 also like you said it's I think beauty is

01:23:52.360 very objective but there's also a subjective

01:23:54.100 nature to beauty as well because we find

01:23:56.260 different things beautiful but I also

01:23:58.020 don't think that that necessarily

01:23:59.660 detracts from the fact that we are sort

01:24:01.360 of competing with each other not

01:24:03.360 necessarily in a way that you're super

01:24:04.640 conscious about you're always thinking

01:24:05.780 about I got to compete got to compete

01:24:07.560 but you know we the reason there's a

01:24:10.000 reason why you're not allowing yourself

01:24:11.340 to get really fat and there's a reason

01:24:12.680 why yourself not allowing yourself to

01:24:14.360 like look really ugly and why you might

01:24:16.220 take care of yourself that's because you

01:24:18.160 want to present yourself nicely and

01:24:19.680 present yourself nicely to men as well to

01:24:22.100 potential suitors you're a young single

01:24:23.500 lady of course yeah I don't know I don't

01:24:26.980 view it as like a conscious competition

01:24:29.420 though yeah I guess I don't think most

01:24:31.500 people view it like that yeah yeah I would

01:24:35.280 agree would you would you agree with that

01:24:39.200 um I personally have never yeah I've never

01:24:43.120 really thought about it that way before I

01:24:45.140 met the person I'm with I really never

01:24:47.580 thought about dating much I was focused on

01:24:49.240 other things and it didn't really appeal to

01:24:51.220 me at all so yeah I get it I get what you

01:24:53.520 guys are saying there because you know

01:24:55.300 you guys are hold yourself to a very high

01:24:58.360 standard and I can understand why you'd

01:25:00.120 have that attitude where you're not

01:25:01.080 thinking about it all the time so but I

01:25:03.100 certainly agree that in a sense like the

01:25:05.080 word marketplace is it's an interesting

01:25:06.480 term to use for people but I agree with

01:25:08.360 I think it's kind of just the colloquial

01:25:09.640 term that gets used in this space it's the

01:25:11.520 same as like an intellectual marketplace

01:25:12.540 like it's something that exists amongst a

01:25:15.020 society where we're all like eventually

01:25:17.080 trying to you know populate the world like

01:25:18.760 it's down to a science like yeah it's true

01:25:21.020 yeah yeah

01:25:21.560 okay um well here I'll I'll do this one

01:25:27.620 just to uh on the whole rate ah well

01:25:30.300 nobody was like really claiming 10 or

01:25:33.380 anything I don't know if I have to go

01:25:34.540 for it but really quick okay are you more

01:25:37.100 attractive now or will you be more

01:25:39.260 attractive in 10 years physically

01:25:41.080 attractive

01:25:41.520 um I mean I think it's obvious I'm women

01:25:48.220 age and I feel like a prime for a woman is

01:25:52.500 18 to 25 I'm 24 so what I have one year

01:25:55.460 left and then yeah I mean it's a sad thing

01:25:59.780 to you know think about but I mean it is

01:26:03.420 truth and it's biology and it's 18 to 25 is

01:26:07.720 prime time prime time yeah prime time for

01:26:11.220 babies for all of it you know I may not

01:26:13.760 have this fast metabolism forever but um

01:26:16.700 yeah I think that I definitely will become

01:26:20.060 unattractive in the next 10 years but I

01:26:22.660 think it's not that you're gonna be it's

01:26:24.380 not that you're gonna be not attractive

01:26:25.760 it's just are you more attractive now than

01:26:28.660 you will be in 10 years oh yeah by like the

01:26:31.320 second as the seconds go on I just it's

01:26:34.660 all downhill okay I don't know I feel like

01:26:37.480 when I'm 30 I'm gonna have like big ass

01:26:39.180 titties and be like a hot milf so I don't

01:26:41.400 know

01:26:41.780 took some milf okay um so you're currently

01:26:48.240 20 so you think you'll be more physically

01:26:49.880 attractive at 30 than you are now yeah what

01:26:51.840 about at 40 40 prime no but hot yeah

01:26:58.040 still hot but not okay okay all right

01:27:01.680 okay I guess not or I guess I would so

01:27:07.500 you're 28 will you be more attractive at

01:27:09.060 38 or now at 28 I guess 28 because I'm not

01:27:12.860 18 to 25 I guess now okay um I personally

01:27:19.700 don't think the prime is uh so short for

01:27:22.800 women um but I know you guys probably

01:27:25.160 disagree but uh yeah no I'm hotter now

01:27:28.000 than 38 what do you think the prime is

01:27:30.060 just curious I think for like you know I'm

01:27:34.180 28 and I was like very naive like when I

01:27:37.680 was in my early 20s like I didn't know how

01:27:39.680 to do myself up like I didn't know how to

01:27:41.360 look good um and yes technically maybe my

01:27:44.200 body was like I don't I don't even know I

01:27:46.440 don't body was better I don't think it's

01:27:48.220 changed that much and I think I actually

01:27:49.920 learned to be like more fit um like it's

01:27:52.400 it's not like I'm falling apart you know

01:27:54.400 what I mean

01:27:54.760 once again I've never really thought

01:28:00.900 about this but okay if I'm now confronted

01:28:03.120 with the question I would say now probably

01:28:06.140 okay I have no idea what I'm gonna look

01:28:10.240 like in 10 years well I mean knowing what

01:28:13.160 you know about you know the just the

01:28:15.200 reality of aging and biology um you want

01:28:18.980 to take a wager um yeah probably now not

01:28:23.440 now let's say a year from now after I've

01:28:26.280 been going to the gym and figured out my

01:28:28.260 skincare a year from now so when I'm 20

01:28:30.340 I'll be in my prime

01:28:32.720 I really don't know I think it's like 50

01:28:39.260 50 because right now I don't have that

01:28:42.160 much time to work out or anything so like

01:28:44.460 if I'm 30 I'm thinking I'll have a lot

01:28:47.040 more time to I don't know do Pilates and

01:28:49.540 stuff get toned up so I might look

01:28:51.240 better and also I have no money right

01:28:52.940 now at all so do you think money will

01:28:56.120 help you become more physically

01:28:57.860 attractive yeah in what about in 20

01:29:01.680 years time no I think I think by that

01:29:04.640 time but 30 like 30 you guys are acting

01:29:06.400 like 30s old 30s not old 30s hot as

01:29:09.120 fuck 30 looks really good I think a lot

01:29:11.140 of women look better when they're 30 than

01:29:12.760 20 like I think women okay also like I

01:29:15.840 like milk as you get older you learn to

01:29:17.660 do yourself up better like you guys

01:29:19.080 were saying but okay you have to

01:29:20.300 understand right so you when we're

01:29:23.460 asking this question it's not like at 20

01:29:27.300 you're just taking dog shit care of

01:29:29.980 yourself you don't know how to do your

01:29:31.500 makeup you're obese and then 30 you're

01:29:35.740 like a fitness model you've you're the

01:29:37.960 best at doing makeup your diet's the

01:29:40.400 best no it's like your optimum at 20 and

01:29:43.120 your optimum at grid one motorsports

01:29:45.240 donated $100 women's marketplace value is

01:29:49.440 youth physical appearance purity and

01:29:52.240 day ability to have children this is what

01:29:54.700 defines your marketplace value feminism

01:29:57.740 has failed you by telling you that you

01:29:59.920 have time I completely agree with that

01:30:02.640 based based grid one motorsports dude

01:30:06.480 good to see you in the chat man thank you

01:30:08.220 I kind of agree with that kind of

01:30:11.120 disagree because well okay obviously

01:30:13.160 with grid or what I just said okay

01:30:14.740 because um I don't know what grid

01:30:17.560 considers like a like a um optimal like

01:30:21.820 time uh limit in which uh women still

01:30:24.820 have value like in youth and whatnot

01:30:26.560 obviously when you're 30 you're not as

01:30:28.480 young as you used to be there's gonna be

01:30:30.240 your prime like you said 18 through 25

01:30:32.080 but also like sorry to put you out on the

01:30:37.320 spot here mom but my mom had me when I

01:30:38.940 was 28 my mom had my youngest sister when

01:30:41.160 she was like 32 so there is still time in

01:30:44.040 the 30s I think gagging on 30s in a

01:30:48.000 physical appearance you guys are you guys

01:30:50.540 have um some groundwork there but when it

01:30:53.160 comes to like the scientific fact oh yeah

01:30:54.940 women are attractive only when they can

01:30:56.260 have children you like it's it's there's

01:31:00.340 still there is time like feminism isn't

01:31:02.840 telling me this it's just my so you're

01:31:05.420 saying that there's time to have children

01:31:06.820 still yeah yeah if you take care of

01:31:08.940 yourself obviously there obviously is time

01:31:10.940 to have children but if you if you thought

01:31:12.640 about it right now in terms of the

01:31:13.940 attractiveness of a young woman who's got

01:31:16.340 those years ahead of her as compared to

01:31:18.940 10 years time yeah that's what I said

01:31:20.620 those years are going to be detractive

01:31:22.140 you're not going to have those years

01:31:23.080 yeah that's what I said much more

01:31:24.960 difficult to have children that's what I

01:31:26.420 said when I agreed with you guys but

01:31:28.460 when I'm like thinking about what his

01:31:30.560 comment is saying specifically on like

01:31:32.240 the children part I'm not in the like

01:31:34.200 attractiveness part because I will say

01:31:35.620 you're the younger the more attractive

01:31:36.900 but I will say I don't know maybe you

01:31:40.700 guys don't have like a full concept of

01:31:43.440 just how like just how far along in your

01:31:47.040 life you can have no you can have

01:31:49.140 grid one motorsports donated $100 I was 35

01:31:53.480 when I married my wife who was 24 I

01:31:56.720 consciously avoided women over 30 too many

01:31:59.580 bodies too much baggage too many

01:32:02.160 disqualifiers so what we were saying

01:32:04.900 before and I think pre-based but um so

01:32:08.680 what we were saying before in terms of

01:32:09.620 having children well done as a woman gets

01:32:11.940 past 25 it starts to go down a little bit

01:32:14.200 and then start and then as a woman gets

01:32:16.620 past 30 it starts to go quite significantly

01:32:18.280 down and then 35 is is like very

01:32:20.880 difficult to have children so as between

01:32:23.900 20 and 24 I mean it's actually younger

01:32:26.300 than that would be the ideal like time to

01:32:28.300 have children and if you're looking at

01:32:29.660 biologically and then up to 25 you're

01:32:32.040 pretty good but then when you get past 30

01:32:33.960 it starts to really taper off like and

01:32:36.180 especially like conditions with children

01:32:38.000 children having things like down syndrome

01:32:40.900 becomes much higher well yeah I know that

01:32:43.500 but I'm just saying like it's not impossible

01:32:46.360 and like you said past 35 I would say

01:32:48.620 past 35 but if we're talking specifically

01:32:50.120 about just like 30 even like 31 32 yeah

01:32:52.840 there's still a possibility I mean it's not

01:32:54.740 impossible but it's not ideal yeah we're not

01:32:57.860 arguing this I mean women can have children

01:33:00.860 into their late 30s early 40s like Jake

01:33:04.560 was saying though it does start declining I

01:33:06.920 mean and once you get past 35 I think

01:33:08.860 that's when you get into high-risk

01:33:09.960 pregnancy territory much greater likelihood of

01:33:12.420 miscarriages there is a greater likelihood of

01:33:15.380 birth defects that sort of thing but yes

01:33:18.080 women can certainly get pregnant into their

01:33:19.920 late 30s early 40s perhaps even I mean

01:33:24.040 pretty low percentage but mid 40s they can

01:33:26.540 but I think the you know fertility thing

01:33:29.720 there's that's more so like an evo

01:33:32.000 evo psych biological reason for why men are

01:33:35.360 more attracted to you know younger adult women

01:33:38.920 and but yeah did you have more Jake or no I agree

01:33:43.780 with you in terms of that women can have

01:33:45.880 children and so it's not like they just sort

01:33:47.540 of like lose all their value at 25 I think

01:33:49.660 that women above 25 can have children that can

01:33:51.820 have an immense amount of value however if you

01:33:54.440 look at it from a man who's wanting to start a

01:33:56.100 family maybe wanting to have three four five six

01:33:57.920 13 13 children like me then I'd probably look at a

01:34:01.700 little bit younger 22 23 sort of thing how old

01:34:04.540 are you 28 yeah I wanted to ask it's great

01:34:08.500 right the last comment that came up good one

01:34:10.460 you said he was 35 and he married someone who's

01:34:12.820 24 I would just ask why did you wait so long to

01:34:16.200 get married like what were you doing all that

01:34:19.000 time why didn't you get married when you were

01:34:20.420 20 well I have a bit of backstory actually on

01:34:22.720 grid so maybe I mean if he wants to come in with

01:34:25.100 another one but I'll let you know so grid for for you

01:34:29.100 know his his early 20s he was he was uh in the peace

01:34:32.780 core yeah and so he was like in Mozambique

01:34:36.320 fucking building houses and shit and wells uh then

01:34:41.600 he he came back and then he he got into stocks

01:34:44.600 and he was focused on this stock investment and he

01:34:50.020 saw he sold oil future you know there's oil

01:34:52.720 futures he invested heavily in that he made a

01:34:55.140 fucking ton so he didn't prioritize having a family

01:34:57.320 and having yes he was very much he was like

01:34:59.300 like just one very focused on oil futures and then

01:35:03.280 he's like he does racing he's he's he's

01:35:06.020 talladega knights type shit like he sells helmets as

01:35:09.960 well yeah very productive I like that yes and he's

01:35:13.940 also a uh a hunter

01:35:17.460 a bounty hunter a bounty hunter it was hard for him no this is

01:35:24.180 all true he was a bounty hunter no he was a he was a bounty hunter so

01:35:28.700 like he's going from city to city trying to catch the bad guys

01:35:32.000 and it's just very hard for bounty hunters I have a lot that

01:35:36.360 contact me who reach out to me uh you know asking for advice on

01:35:40.880 dating date you know how do you date on the road while trying to catch

01:35:45.460 criminals and it's tough okay it's tough it's beautiful yeah it was

01:35:49.500 very it's very beautiful thank you Brian are you a high value man wait where

01:35:53.820 did that come from I'm just wondering uh why sort of object to like for

01:35:58.540 example like terms like alpha male beta male high value man low value man I

01:36:02.540 kind of object to those sorts of terms uh but I mean to actually engage with

01:36:06.860 your question can hey can you guys be quiet back

01:36:09.620 there um to actually engage with your

01:36:12.420 question I think in some dimensions of uh human achievement oh well okay I'll

01:36:18.460 let this come on what's going on back there

01:36:21.160 men build themselves up to have a family and good men do not have a family

01:36:26.060 until they can afford them I had nothing to offer a woman beyond a bad

01:36:30.160 attitude at 24 but at 35 I was a full-grown man

01:36:34.520 build themselves up good men do not have a family

01:36:37.700 uh yeah I guess there's a little uh you know longer uh incubation period for

01:36:42.540 men you know they have to uh if women want providers men need to

01:36:46.120 become providers it takes them a bit of time

01:36:47.920 uh so I think to answer your question am I a high value man

01:36:51.040 uh not in all realms I mean I think certainly I there's some

01:36:55.000 realms of human endeavor I'd like to improve on

01:36:57.360 um I think in certain realms I would consider myself yes but

01:37:03.840 uh in totality I'd say it's it's hard to to really answer that

01:37:10.240 question but um and again I I preface this by saying I don't

01:37:15.080 like those kind of categorizations high value man low value man

01:37:18.100 because I I that sort of exists on the spectrum but um

01:37:21.820 like for example my fitness is not where I'd like it to be right now and I

01:37:25.420 think uh you know that's one dimension that I'm I'm lacking in but when it

01:37:30.580 comes to for example you know my career success or my finances I think I'm

01:37:35.180 doing doing fairly well uh so there's that and then I think I'd like to think

01:37:40.420 I have my head on fairly straight I don't smoke don't do drugs um have no

01:37:46.040 debts uh don't smoke what don't don't drink don't

01:37:50.720 smoke don't do drugs don't party don't go to bars don't have

01:37:54.480 really any vices um so uh I think in those dimensions I'm doing quite well so

01:38:00.860 do you agree with the whole red pill thing that it's like

01:38:03.540 good for men to sleep around and um it makes you have a higher value as a man

01:38:09.020 if you're sleeping around have a ton of bodies uh so I don't think promiscuity is

01:38:12.920 good in men or women I do think it when men and women are promiscuous I do think

01:38:18.620 that there are differences there I do think that it it can certainly have a

01:38:23.460 negative impact on both but I do think that the negative impact tends to be

01:38:29.160 more significant in women than in men I'm not saying that it's

01:38:33.240 it's all smooth for men who are promiscuous but

01:38:37.300 I certainly think there are differences between the genders

01:38:40.100 I'm not in favor of promiscuity in either sex

01:38:45.720 I will say though that I do think it is the case that

01:38:49.480 uh that to be broadly attractive to women you're going to have to have

01:38:54.400 a much higher degree of uh relational dating and relationship experience

01:39:00.020 than the reverse so I think that um you know a man who lacks experience with

01:39:06.740 women is going to be probably deemed uh

01:39:09.540 what about sexual experience like the number of partners uh if the woman's a

01:39:14.380 virgin then it probably won't matter but uh once a woman's lost her virginity and

01:39:19.120 if she's had a few sexual partners a man lacking in that department is

01:39:23.440 actually going to be a pretty could be a pretty big deal breaker for a

01:39:27.960 wide swath of women um I don't think it requires a man to sleep with 50 or 100

01:39:34.860 women to become sexually experienced but uh I think for example like uh even

01:39:42.040 sex very sexually experienced men may very well prefer women who are not

01:39:47.400 sexually experienced they might find that attractive or sexually arousing

01:39:51.720 whereas the reverse is very rarely the case sexually experienced women

01:39:54.940 are repulsed by men who are virgins I feel like most high value men

01:39:59.260 look for women who are not experienced I feel like

01:40:02.800 high value men in this world look for or at least in my opinion I feel like if I

01:40:07.560 when I think what does a high value man want

01:40:10.240 18 to 25 virgin thin woman of god no tattoos I feel like it's um it's different

01:40:19.680 like for me personally I'm not necessarily looking for a high value man but I would

01:40:24.680 want someone a man that has a little bit of experience but I feel like from a man's

01:40:28.800 perspective when they're looking for like the woman of their dreams they would

01:40:31.980 find a woman that doesn't know anything kind of depends I think we maybe need to

01:40:36.180 define high value man though a little bit better do I define some people would

01:40:40.120 look at a high value man as a guy who's like sort of in Dubai with a

01:40:43.440 Maserati and sort of has all these chicks I wouldn't say that's a high value

01:40:46.320 man but some people would look at I like I look at for example Michael Knowles who

01:40:49.840 was on the podcast last week I think he's a high value man just because he

01:40:53.140 carries himself self so well and he's a husband and I think he's a father now as

01:40:56.980 well I look at guys who are fathers who have been in a relationship for a

01:41:00.640 while and who have been a good leader of their family as high value men and

01:41:04.540 especially good leaders of their community I think leadership is

01:41:07.120 sometimes having experience with women does come in handy with that so it's

01:41:11.680 just one of those realities of the world we live in right now yeah I think

01:41:14.960 there's a you know people say there's a double standard but I think there's a

01:41:17.860 double standard for a reason men and women are very very different and I

01:41:22.760 personally don't see an issue with a man going around and being with a bunch of

01:41:27.860 women even you know my ex who I dated he would go see other women every now and

01:41:32.520 then and I never really had a problem with it I didn't think that there was an

01:41:35.320 issue with it I think it's normal but as a woman I feel like there's just this

01:41:39.600 system in place where like you just you can't I feel like it's wrong that's just

01:41:43.580 the way that I feel your position is that women don't want women want men to be

01:41:48.580 experienced and go with a bunch of women but you would prefer not to to go and do

01:41:54.420 that because can you repeat the first part again so you your position is that you

01:41:58.800 value men who go out and get experience with other women no I don't I think it

01:42:02.400 doesn't matter but I don't I don't look at a man and I'm like you want to like

01:42:06.840 preserve yourself for the man you're with is that what you're saying I mean I

01:42:09.700 have not preserved myself in the best way but I think ideally though like if

01:42:14.500 that's what your view is if I'm in a relationship with a man I think that I

01:42:18.280 mean I am 100 percent loyal I am purely just with the one man that I'm with I

01:42:24.420 think that from his area I feel like it's okay for him why to do it I feel like

01:42:33.520 men and women love and lust are very different emotions and for me personally as a

01:42:38.340 woman when I'm have any sort of sexual interaction with someone it's emotional

01:42:42.740 whether it's a friend or it's in a relationship I there is emotion there and to me I could

01:42:48.620 never give my emotion to someone else if I'm in a relationship as a man I feel

01:42:53.540 like it's a much easier for a man to go out and have a casual hookup and there be

01:42:57.880 absolutely no emotions for a woman it's not it is easier for them but do you think that's

01:43:02.420 okay I think that's right just because it's harder for a man to separate like his emotions

01:43:06.600 from his sexual desires that he should just go out and do it just because it's easier

01:43:10.640 I don't I mean it's not something I would want but I think that standard though like if

01:43:15.280 that's what you want if you want your man to have the standard to look at you emotionally

01:43:20.260 not just like sexually but like he should live up to that like there's men out there

01:43:24.100 that aren't just going to like succumb to their no pun intended to their desires and

01:43:28.260 you know and just do that there's actually men out there who do see sex as an emotional

01:43:32.520 connection emotional bond and they're not going to just do it with random women just

01:43:36.100 because they can just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something

01:43:38.880 I think if you're in a relationship and it's emotional and you love the other person there

01:43:42.360 really isn't time I would not be able to give my emotions away to someone else right even

01:43:47.260 if I want even if I tried I don't think that I could physically give my love and emotion

01:43:50.980 to someone else so I know that that won't happen even if he does want to go be with another

01:43:56.100 woman I know that that emotion won't go anywhere that I'm solid and I'm secure where I am in

01:44:00.660 the in the relationship and I'm I wouldn't necessarily mind it and you don't want that same

01:44:05.720 thing reciprocated to you what do you say what do you mean so you're saying you know you have

01:44:09.780 this great loyalty and that's beautiful I'm wondering why you wouldn't want to see that in

01:44:13.720 the person you're with I would 100% I think loyalty is important I think that I get my

01:44:18.380 validation in different ways than you know my ex-boyfriend would get his validation my validation

01:44:22.780 would be I would post a cute selfie on snapchat or maybe even a bikini picture on instagram and

01:44:27.600 people would come in and be like oh you look so cute that's my sense of validation I think that

01:44:31.820 his sense of validation would be going out and maybe flirting or you know being having a one-night

01:44:38.220 stand and I've do you think that having a one-night stand is more harmful than posting a cute

01:44:42.840 pic on instagram like in terms of he's bonding with another person chemically you're posting

01:44:47.600 a photo on instagram I don't think there's necessarily a chemical bond I think that it's

01:44:51.240 just well scientifically there is so are you are you denying that science or are you just kind of

01:44:55.340 is that no I'm not denying the science I think it's just the way that I feel I don't necessarily

01:44:59.800 you guys kind of talking past each other a little bit as well because if you look at the dating market

01:45:04.240 at the moment especially in terms of like um the atheist world that we live in so you look at dating

01:45:09.420 as like a man and a woman in a unity under god would I be right in saying that of course yep

01:45:14.540 so he created all of us exactly right I would agree with you however in the market that we live in at

01:45:19.220 the moment especially with women's sexual hypergamy um there's a bunch of men who are sort of at the

01:45:24.940 top who are getting all of the attention this is borne out on all the sort of dating apps and all this

01:45:29.580 sort of thing so I think what we're seeing is sort of a return to polygamy in a way where women are

01:45:35.140 saying I'm okay with my man going and sleeping with other with other women because I want the

01:45:40.100 highest value man I know it might be very difficult for you guys to comprehend but I think that you'd

01:45:44.340 be very surprised how often this is happening I think that monogamy is destroying relationships

01:45:49.500 I think I was trying to understand what like literally what your view is so I'm actually really

01:45:53.680 curious I think that yeah I think monogamy is one of the reasons why the divorce rates are so high

01:45:59.520 monogamy is not natural for me as a woman I don't need to go out and be with another man or flirt with

01:46:06.480 another man or get another man's attention or sleep with another man if I'm in a relationship

01:46:10.080 I don't need that I don't even want that I think that I don't know why but I feel like men as time

01:46:17.200 goes on and you're with your wife or you're with your woman and there's like you know the woman has kids

01:46:22.980 and she's spending all of her time with her children and then it's the man doesn't get any love or

01:46:27.220 attention I think that that's why divorce rates are so high families are falling apart and monogamy

01:46:32.920 is not natural I don't but for me as a woman I'm not I don't care I'm going to be loyal to my

01:46:39.360 husband I'm going to be 100 obedient and submissive at all times and that's just how I so if you go into

01:46:46.140 a marriage knowing that there's a chance that you're like accepting the fact that this man's going

01:46:50.760 to get bored with you after you have his children like you mentioned her children it's their children

01:46:54.520 right like it's his children too if you're like kind of expecting it almost based on like what I'm

01:46:59.040 gathering from your your current position of dating if you were to marry a man like that honestly

01:47:03.640 it seems like it wouldn't be shocking at all and therefore that is why the divorce rate is so high

01:47:08.040 but if you enter a marriage both being on the complete same page the divorce is completely off

01:47:12.640 the table that like that's what marriage is about it's not dating dating you can break up marriage

01:47:17.320 why are we breaking up the whole point is you're bonded for life so if you both enter that marriage

01:47:22.600 with that understanding you both have that understanding whereas your position seems to

01:47:27.120 be that you have that loyalty but you're okay with the man not having that loyalty and you kind

01:47:30.820 of expect him to get bored after a few years I wouldn't say that it's not loyal I think it's just

01:47:35.920 biology I I think it's the way that men are that's engineered very like slow view of men like men are

01:47:42.660 not I don't think it's low at all of making an emotional connection with you oh they are 100%

01:47:47.820 and they can be loyal to you that's love and lust those are very different but don't you think if a

01:47:51.860 man really loves he's going to be loyal to you like love's an action of course of course my man

01:47:56.160 will be loyal to me I know that did you just say that you let him cheat on you that I don't consider

01:48:01.340 cheating as a part of loyalty from a man that's the way that I can I view it can I jump in um you

01:48:07.400 say okay and this is coming from the Christian girl you say monogamy is not natural but God gave Adam

01:48:14.340 one wife one wife and they had their kids and then they each had their own wives and I know in

01:48:20.040 the old testament you know everyone used to have a million wives and whatnot but in the beginning

01:48:24.640 before all of that God gave Adam Eve and you know she kind of like screwed us all over but we're not

01:48:30.300 going to talk about that um but also like if you don't consider that cheating that's all right

01:48:37.200 grid one motorsports donated $100 as a man married 18 years monogamy is natural and men who cheat are

01:48:45.780 low class monogamy is not ruining marriages this idea that women can divorce a man because they are

01:48:52.540 bored and get paid for it I okay I'll come back to that I just wanted to say like you can have your

01:48:59.320 opinion on what cheating is what cheating not is I mean but why would you want that for yourself like

01:49:05.460 you're putting in all this time putting all this effort and he's not giving it back like

01:49:08.880 it doesn't make it doesn't make sense how you can be happy with that if you're putting in all this

01:49:16.240 effort it's like it's like on a scale you're doing a lot and he goes and he like treats you as if you're

01:49:22.320 like replaceable and I don't know I think the whole like men are biologically like promiscuous like

01:49:29.200 they should have their needs fulfilled blah blah blah blah blah blah yes a relationship is give and take

01:49:35.200 yes men do have sexual needs that they need to be satisfied with their partner but once you commit

01:49:39.640 to one person you need to stick to that commitment like this is all about uh making choices making

01:49:46.220 decisions and sticking to them I don't care if you have oh my god oh my god I literally like I need to

01:49:51.800 like go hook up with this girl you don't need it okay you want it and you make the conscious decision

01:49:56.140 to go and do it you make a conscious decision to go and cheat on your partner it's not okay for me I

01:50:01.660 I see where you're coming from it's not okay it's you know that's how your sense of loyalty is

01:50:06.060 for me if that I I feel like I have that I hold this sense of being so submissive that maybe it rubs

01:50:15.700 I feel like it rubs some people the wrong way if my man wants to go cheat on me and wants to go be

01:50:22.180 with another woman and that would make him happy then I want him to do that I my world revolves around

01:50:27.320 exactly what my man wants and what he needs do you have a high value of yourself like would you say

01:50:33.260 you like have a lot of self-worth I wouldn't necessarily say that I have a lot of self-worth

01:50:37.680 I I think I'm pretty realistic I think one of the big issues with modern dating is that

01:50:42.040 a lot of women have this distorted sense of value they think that they're way more valuable than they

01:50:47.960 really are I know my value I'm not a virgin I'm not 18 I'm not a 10 out of a 10 I'm not some tall

01:50:54.700 blonde thin you know Swedish girl I know where I stand and I know like my expectations of what's

01:51:01.300 realistic and what I think that I deserve I'm not saying that I think I'm going to get some high

01:51:07.720 value man I know where I am it's like the food chain in the wild like there's lions and you have

01:51:13.420 your gazelles and cheetahs and there's a whole order to everything and I know where I where I'm at

01:51:19.440 what's most important for you in terms of like what a man brings to the table what I would want a man

01:51:24.160 to bring to the table I need a sense of control from a man I don't necessarily like making my own

01:51:32.100 decisions I don't really I think a sense of control I think dominance masculinity true masculinity

01:51:45.460 um resources pardon resources you want a man to have resources sure yeah I think resources are

01:51:52.260 important um I have this thing where I I kind of like being a pet in a sense I don't really want to

01:51:59.800 make my own decisions I just kind of want to be told what to do I look for leadership and guidance

01:52:05.560 experience intelligence I think those are really really important also financial stability I think

01:52:12.780 is important I mean I think nobody really wants to work yeah working sucks as much as I um wouldn't

01:52:18.980 necessarily agree I do think that I don't see any moral inconsistency with what you're saying because

01:52:24.320 in the world that you that we live in right now the dating culture is totally screwed it's awful

01:52:29.140 yeah and if you if you want a guy who's you know masculine and strong and like sort of alpha type guy

01:52:34.900 has resources and all of that then you're going to need to probably look at a guy who isn't a

01:52:40.800 Christian or isn't you know a God-fearing man and I look for a man who believes in God as well or

01:52:45.340 a follower of Jesus Christ yeah religion but they wouldn't Jesus Christ no no offense or anything but

01:52:51.220 like they wouldn't really look at an OnlyFans girl just realistically they might they might do I mean

01:52:55.520 there might be some out there but realistically with the position that you're in you've put yourself

01:52:59.860 in with doing OnlyFans and and this um it's obviously your choice you've put yourself in a

01:53:04.200 position where you are looking at the sorts of men that would cheat on you because you're not

01:53:07.720 really looking at a at like a man who puts morals and principles before anything you're absolutely

01:53:13.100 right I think the my definition of a high value man is someone who would never even look in my

01:53:17.700 direction that's not what I'm looking for I know what I deserve and I know the kind of man that I

01:53:23.340 will probably end up being with and I'm happy with that I'm comfortable with that just because I want

01:53:27.760 these things doesn't mean I know or feel that I deserve them I know that what I've done in the past

01:53:31.720 you know has had a little bit of an effect on the men that I would you know bring into my life and

01:53:38.280 I'm okay with that I'm comfortable with that do you think that your value changes based on the things

01:53:42.140 that you do in life like absolutely really bad things but then you change your life are you just

01:53:47.820 the same person you were back then or can you change I think that's that's a good question I think

01:53:52.840 that's a pretty vague not not vague sorry a pretty broad question I mean I think if you grew up and you

01:53:59.580 didn't believe in God and then you found God and you changed I think yes that's great but if you

01:54:03.920 killed someone and like and then you want to you know say oh sorry I I think can you make it like

01:54:11.820 like a specific point like I mean yeah well I just mean in the sense that you mentioned you know your

01:54:17.480 value is and then you listed like your physical appearance your age and like these things that

01:54:23.220 change over time that aren't innate to your like your soul and like who you are as a person

01:54:27.220 um and like when you talk about value towards a man like what a man looks for in you don't you want

01:54:33.680 that man to look towards you like yourself and not like the things that you are the things that you

01:54:38.020 chose and maybe you can walk away from I do and and you're right there are some things I didn't list

01:54:42.480 I think I mean I make really good food I think that's something that gives me value I love cooking

01:54:47.740 I love cleaning I think the things that I would bring to the table that aren't necessarily my appearance

01:54:52.420 would be submission obedience really good food um cooking cleaning um I love to listen I take

01:55:01.320 direction very well I'm a good listener um and then I had one other question for you because I was

01:55:06.340 really curious about this you said that you were looking for a man who can control you because you

01:55:11.740 don't make your own decisions and a man who um like is intelligent right yes but you also said you

01:55:19.380 are totally fine with your man if in some ways it could be good that he goes out and like

01:55:23.480 receives things from other women and does things with other women do you do you think that a man

01:55:28.340 who goes around and does that is an intelligent man I do so he's making intelligent decisions by

01:55:34.300 being a bunch of different women what if he impregnates them is that a smart move I think it's

01:55:38.220 pretty stupid if a guy does that I would have confidence in my man that he would not put himself

01:55:42.340 in a situation to give it a possibility to impregnate a woman I hope that he would be responsible

01:55:47.460 like having sex there's always a small chance there is I think there's ways to be pretty sure

01:55:52.300 that you won't depends what you mean by intelligent as well though possibly a vasectomy

01:55:56.080 after you know wondering her gauge of like intelligence after I have children a vasectomy

01:56:00.700 lots of men who are not god-fearing men and who have certain values in the inside of a relationship

01:56:06.220 that would be considered intelligent men so what do you mean by intelligent that's why I'm asking

01:56:10.220 her because she said she wants an intelligent man but she also said she wants a man who would

01:56:14.500 would if she if he's not getting what she he wants from her he would go out and do it with

01:56:18.800 other people yeah so I'm saying like those don't really there's a premise there's like a premise

01:56:22.300 to your question that suggests that a man who does that can't be intelligent that's what that's what

01:56:26.260 I was getting to so a man who cheats is not a smart man absolutely no of course not what do you mean

01:56:30.820 by intelligence there's multiple reasons for it if you are promiscuous you're not only harming

01:56:35.680 yourself by bonding with all those different women scientifically like that's just there's gonna be

01:56:40.460 negative consequences of that also you mentioned pregnancy you and you're saying that oh that would

01:56:45.080 never happen he would do this certain precautions but you see where there's like this path you're

01:56:49.320 going down like as soon as a man walks out of your house and says bye I'm no longer committed to

01:56:53.840 you I'm gonna go do whatever I want there's gonna be negative consequences to that do you think

01:56:58.180 that there are lots of men in high positions in society who would do that absolutely do you

01:57:02.300 think that they're intelligent not in that way absolutely not way okay so you have to be a bit

01:57:06.660 more specific when you say intelligent though well that's exactly what I'm talking about I just

01:57:10.020 defined that that decision would be unintelligent so they're sexual within the bounds of a relationship

01:57:15.400 you think they're unintelligent I think that people are not because you can have a 180 iq and still

01:57:19.860 sure well I think that if if he's going to be unintelligent that way he might be unintelligent

01:57:23.800 other ways maybe he runs a business and he also looks what if he's got a 180 iq then he's very

01:57:28.980 self-control maybe he's book smart but he's not smart okay but you said you said yeah I think

01:57:32.980 maybe wisdom is like a better term wise it's not a wise wise is a much better but he could

01:57:37.520 have a high iq intelligent because she mentioned the word intelligence so I was just kind of going

01:57:41.060 off of like her what she defined as intelligence I have a question can be intelligent well Sarah

01:57:46.060 before you ask that question uh you asked me a question I responded good questions by the way

01:57:51.480 do you want to go back to that because I think you're asking me well what do you think about

01:57:55.860 uh this whole thing about well it's okay for men to be promiscuous but not for women and I

01:58:01.800 responded to you there and then the conversation went on from there did you want to respond to to

01:58:06.220 me trying to remember those a little while ago um well I think it depends on your worldview like

01:58:12.840 from a Christian worldview like for me like I would not want to promiscuous man like for me that's low

01:58:18.540 value it's like you don't have morals um but I was wondering if you think like I guess you were

01:58:25.160 saying is good for men to have sexual experience is that what you're saying I mean I could

01:58:31.780 reiterate my answer I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women I think it's I think the

01:58:38.400 negatives are more uh tend to manifest themselves a little bit more in women than they do in men

01:58:44.740 again I'm not saying that's good in men but there are differences between the uh sexes um

01:58:50.820 and uh I I think one example that I could perhaps give is that I think for example when it comes to

01:58:56.840 somebody's body count I think women are much more say forgiving of a man's promiscuity or high body

01:59:04.100 count I I find that generally speaking most women don't seem to really care all that much or as much

01:59:10.760 as men seem to care about body count and I mean if given the option like if we gave you a scenario for

01:59:17.400 example we could perhaps ask the entire table here okay so would you prefer um dating a man who's

01:59:24.100 30 who makes 500 000 a year who's who's confident and well put together but he's slept with 70 other

01:59:34.140 women compared to a guy who same age uh not nothing weird about him but he's not quite as confident

01:59:43.140 and he makes 10 000 a year and he slept with zero women uh a lot of women are going to like

01:59:50.980 probably accept the high body count of that hyper successful man over the guy who makes 10 000 a

01:59:58.820 year whose uh sexual purity or virtue is intact now if you reverse it though you give men the option

02:00:06.160 of dating a woman who makes 500 000 a year but she's has a significant body count what did I

02:00:13.120 say 50 or 70 or something like that um and that compare it to a woman who uh not indebted uh but

02:00:20.800 you know she doesn't make a lot of money most men are going to pick the let's say she's a virgin

02:00:25.800 I think most men are going to prefer the virgin so I feel like men don't care how much money women

02:00:31.100 make they don't really yeah it's not give a split yeah like what would you say something that would

02:00:36.300 make the woman higher value like the way that the man makes 500 000 like what would be the

02:00:41.320 young young and virgin okay 18 25 virgin not fat uh pleasant uh pleasant brings you peace

02:00:49.820 uh I'd pick the 10k personally can cook you'd pick the 10k all day because you can always you can

02:00:56.000 always get higher in your career but you can't take back all the promiscuity that you had and all

02:01:01.200 the the chemical bonding that you already had with yeah I think that the body count would say a lot

02:01:04.920 more about his character than the 10k but at the same time like 10k it's like how are you only making

02:01:08.720 10k like I make more than 10k and I'm not even working full time so I would question like his

02:01:14.820 competence just as a person but we can like this could be really stupid I think to or just no work

02:01:21.960 ethic this could be tested out for example like who do you of the two men that I like generally speaking

02:01:27.000 which one do you think is going to be more like successful in the dating marketplace the first one

02:01:31.140 with the high body count yeah yeah like despite your specific value set like which one do you

02:01:37.800 think will be more successful in like in the marketplace yes but not according to my personal

02:01:42.400 values okay which just tells you the marketplace is really really bad yeah it's just not it just

02:01:47.560 doesn't have its value in the right place it's just that's a fair assessment but would the would

02:01:52.480 his high body count indicate in this situation that he was going to cheat on me or would I know that

02:01:57.580 like he's a good guy and it's just his past and because that would make a good it's a good question

02:02:01.820 actually because it kind of depends on where the guy's at at the moment that you arrive at that and

02:02:06.000 if he's somebody who's sort of reined it in a little bit then he's making a conscious effort to do that but

02:02:11.420 if he's still sort of just throwing it around then that's obviously a red flag it's a bad indication

02:02:16.280 in terms of cheating yeah but I feel like men can cheat and not have the emotion behind it I feel

02:02:22.960 like it's more of a feminine if they if they don't fear god they will do that if they don't

02:02:27.860 what if they don't fear god they can do that and not have any accountability but a religious man will

02:02:32.760 not want he'll like you know you won't be able to sleep at night so you don't think that a religious

02:02:36.880 man can go out and cheat on his wife and he he can and it does it does happen but if you actually

02:02:43.080 have a relationship with god and if you're actually in tune with it then if you have you ever um

02:02:48.100 he would never read this I was gonna say dostoevsky's crime and punishment it's a book about the

02:02:52.020 human conscience like the human conscience and the fact that it just eats away I fucking love

02:02:57.640 dostoevsky oh yeah very nice fucking loves he's the man yeah he's the man he's the shit um wait

02:03:05.840 actually this kind of brings up a uh oh sorry did you want to continue with your point no I was just

02:03:09.960 I was just saying I think that's a it's a like so for example me I've come into faith over the last

02:03:14.400 few years and I was I was never a choir boy growing up you know from my teenage years early 20s

02:03:20.260 and I've had my experiences so back then I would have been a bad bet but now as I've come into it

02:03:26.400 a little bit more and as I've developed a relationship with god and I've sort of gotten

02:03:29.720 more tuned in and plugged in with other men who are sort of christians it's helped me a lot

02:03:33.500 not perfect by anyone's imagination but you know it's it's helped jake your view on this okay when it

02:03:40.940 comes to cheating and I don't think cheating is good whether it's a man or a woman doing it if you

02:03:44.800 cheat that's wrong no matter what I do think though that there is a tendency the reasons why

02:03:51.620 men and women cheat are different would you agree with that yes absolutely yeah yeah and I think I think

02:03:58.340 it could be said that when a woman cheats like that's the end of the relationship in terms of in terms

02:04:05.540 of how she views her partner but if a man cheats now okay again if if that's a deal breaker for the

02:04:13.080 woman absolutely but I think a man cheating doesn't necessarily indicate that like if a woman cheats on

02:04:21.400 you she's not in love with you it's over it's done she doesn't like it but like I think she doesn't

02:04:26.540 respect you she doesn't respect you anymore it's gone like it's done whereas I do think and again I'm

02:04:32.900 not saying cheating is good I'm not in favor of cheating but the differences are different and I

02:04:37.980 do think men will cheat purely on like a physical urge level it's without any emotion being involved

02:04:46.400 whereas like if a woman cheats I think there's like it's like way fucking heavier it is way

02:04:53.680 it just makes it sound like men are like terrible though like it makes it sound like men don't have

02:04:58.800 a way to have an emotional connection with person that they're with but you would say that if a woman

02:05:02.380 cheats oh man she's like she doesn't respect me at all but if a man cheats I'm not going to have

02:05:06.840 that same reaction it's true though if a woman cheats I think your reaction is totally understandable

02:05:12.220 if a man cheats on you and if that's like your value set particularly however the act of having

02:05:17.700 sex for a man and a woman is is just two different things the act of a woman opening herself up and

02:05:22.580 letting a man inside it's like a very very like submissive act as well and the thought for a man of your

02:05:28.100 girl being submissive in that way to another man is just it's it's horrifying and I can understand

02:05:34.260 it would be the same same for you I think it comes back to how does the man value sex because if

02:05:38.480 we're you're saying that a woman is like oh this is like the big important thing and that's why it's

02:05:43.320 worse when she cheats on somebody why doesn't the man think of it the same way if a man thought of sex

02:05:47.480 the same way that you're claiming women do that we see it this high value like you know if if she

02:05:52.780 cheats on me then like it's the end of the world why can't men value sex the same way that it's

02:05:56.660 giving of yourself yeah I mean idea idea ideally we would because then you would see your partner

02:06:01.140 as like you're the only person I will ever do this with I can't even imagine doing it with

02:06:05.500 yeah if the world was perfect that would be the way it is I'm just saying that to to make it like

02:06:10.400 so do you think that men and women having sex is the same are like terrible people do you think

02:06:14.160 that women and men having sex are the same do you think it's biologically the same no and and I

02:06:17.940 think that's why to actually to the point you were making before how you you're okay with with a man

02:06:23.380 cheating on you I think if anything if we actually agree that men having sex is different than women

02:06:27.820 then it it shows loyalty and commitment and dedication even more and you can fall more in

02:06:33.840 love with somebody knowing that they're not doing the thing that you claim biologically they're they're

02:06:39.420 meant to do for you for you would rather him not have sex with anyone else yeah I mean of course

02:06:43.960 that's what I would wish for but I don't necessarily want to make that decision for him

02:06:48.660 because it shows willpower that a man may maybe you think this isn't always true but let's pretend

02:06:53.960 this man is like sex like driven that's all he's thinking about if he can stop himself from doing

02:06:58.100 that for the sake of like a relationship for the sake of your soul for the sake of his own soul

02:07:02.680 that's so much more powerful though it's so much more powerful than just going and doing it you know

02:07:08.640 and then saying that if he's better a high value man because he has experience it doesn't make

02:07:12.820 sense to me it doesn't add up I think just because sex between men and women are different

02:07:17.640 doesn't mean that it makes it more or less okay for one of them to cheat on the other that's not

02:07:23.380 what that's not what we're arguing though we're just having a conversation of the reasons why men and

02:07:28.460 women cheat can be different I already prefaced it by saying cheating is not acceptable it's wrong

02:07:36.560 and as a woman if you want to break up with your guy for cheating totally acceptable vice versa

02:07:41.720 totally fine but I think we can all agree like there are certainly differences between men and

02:07:45.660 women and and the reasons why a man might cheat may very well differ for the reasons why women might

02:07:51.200 cheat for example a man might be more motivated by simply satisfying certain physical or sexual urges

02:07:57.700 where a woman may be and this could even be the reverse but a woman may be more inclined to cheat

02:08:04.060 because bro that's it's the end of the relationship and there's there's some emotional connection with

02:08:09.620 another uh person I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just saying the reasons why which uh could

02:08:17.100 could vary quite differently but which is why like for example I think it may be the case that it's more

02:08:25.060 likely that a man could and again I think it's wrong but a man could cheat on his girlfriend or wife

02:08:33.380 and still absolutely be in love with her whereas I think the reverse it it I don't think it really

02:08:39.260 plays out that way again I'm not saying cheating is good I'm just saying the the motivations there

02:08:44.580 are different but unfaithfulness is like the definite definition of not loving somebody though

02:08:48.540 it's literally love like some kind of like mystical feeling but it's emotionally love is a choice

02:08:53.460 not physically it's an action so by literally going the exact opposite of of not loving that person

02:08:59.240 you can't say that you still love your wife if you go against her like but it's emotionless with a

02:09:04.380 man it's emotional with that's not true but it's just scientifically not accurate to say that men

02:09:08.880 don't have emotions it makes it sound like they're just like these animals no they have

02:09:11.760 yeah let's let's look at it I mean there's also certain biological men are more likely likely to cheat

02:09:19.600 for sexual variety while women tend to have an affair in a means to find a better suited partner or

02:09:24.920 stronger connection thank you evidence suggests that women tend to cheat with one person becoming

02:09:30.140 emotionally involved in the process and often looking to fall in love David Buss he's like a is he an

02:09:38.200 evolutionary psychologist or what's his Eva uh evolutionary psychologist that's right you know

02:09:45.040 you okay cool cool didn't he go to UCSB or was a professor at UCSB all right am I thinking of

02:09:52.540 puberman anyways um it kind of seems like we all agree on this then yeah like we all agree it's

02:09:57.440 wrong yeah they might do it for I think I think yeah we do agree but I think where we would disagree

02:10:01.800 is when you say that a man can't love a woman if he cheats on her and like this is me still

02:10:06.820 manning an argument that I don't agree with it's a word it's a way that I wouldn't act I've never

02:10:10.580 cheated on somebody never will but I think that there would be occasions when a man could cheat on a

02:10:15.600 woman and still love that woman so I don't think that that disqualifies it what is love what is

02:10:19.920 your definition of love what is this like I mean I'm not going to give a definition of love but I'm

02:10:24.220 just going to say you have to give a definition of love if you say that cheating on someone can

02:10:26.860 still be loving it's just an emotion love is love it's just how you feel it's not an emotion

02:10:30.980 love is not an emotion at all you can't feel love love is an action and then you feel it after you

02:10:36.620 you create that action so it can be an it is infatuation is like emotion a feeling lust is a

02:10:42.280 feeling but love is just an action like there's no like people say like oh we just fell out of love so

02:10:47.320 we got divorced and like that is a problem for many divorces because they were going to the

02:10:51.000 marriage thinking love is a feeling so if we're not in love anymore just get divorced and that's

02:10:56.680 kind of the same thing you're saying like oh I still love them but I cheated but that's not loving

02:11:00.020 but what if it's an accident what if you deeply deeply regret it like you can't live with yourself

02:11:04.100 because you regret it so badly you shouldn't have done it in the first place love is one okay people

02:11:07.780 make mistakes though I think like coming from such like a worldview of so like everything has to be so

02:11:12.220 perfect if you make a mistake and you deeply deeply regret it you can still love

02:11:15.460 you can still love that person you can absolutely regret it and you can mourn for their loss and you

02:11:18.840 can be forgiven of it that doesn't necessarily mean that you can believe the person still loves you

02:11:22.920 okay so so you don't think that it's possible for a man to still love a woman if he's cheated on

02:11:27.760 her you don't think I wouldn't believe that they would love you anymore not possible love is

02:11:31.080 willing the good of the other cheating on me is not willing the good of me but I mean but you I

02:11:35.280 certainly you can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I believe you okay so so so listen for sure so the

02:11:40.100 path back is there if you if you're a man and you cheat on a woman you can still technically love her

02:11:45.240 at a later time no you can't you didn't you didn't will the good of that person at all at that time

02:11:50.740 so you think that you can just erase like things that happen do you think that any mistake that

02:11:55.540 happens whatsoever you know when you're not willing I think that's a mistake that's like a bit more

02:11:59.120 than like oh I like broke your favorite thing like but it's different but so like what's the

02:12:03.080 difference between that and say you slap your partner in the face um you well chemical bonding

02:12:07.140 with with being with somebody else is a lot worse okay so you if advice if I was but if you're

02:12:11.940 talking about abuse if you're a man who slaps his wife in the face you don't hate at the moment

02:12:15.540 you love this person and it's just the next day you're so sorry you apologize she says I know I

02:12:20.680 was acting a bit uh that's called abuse and if you and if you tolerate that it's going to get worse

02:12:24.600 and worse and that's what cheating is a violence no wait I'm not I'm not saying that there's anything

02:12:28.580 right about abuse but I'm saying in a hypothetical scenario and I'm if that were to happen like you see

02:12:33.320 like what happened with Dana White and his wife like a few months ago yeah if the man that I'm with

02:12:37.380 slaps me in the face I'm leaving and I don't believe he loves me anymore because if I what

02:12:41.100 about if you slapped him first I wouldn't that's what about if you did it's a hypothetical that's

02:12:45.200 domestic violence okay but what about if if that happened I don't support it either but it's a

02:12:48.860 hypothetical so what if I slap the person I'm with or he slapped me if you slap the person you're with

02:12:53.400 and then he slapped you can he still love you no love is willing to go to the other what if you

02:12:58.960 have five children together are you gonna be with a woman who's gonna slap you hold on a second

02:13:01.960 what if you have five children together yeah and that was a heat of the moment mistake

02:13:05.220 and then one year later you still have those children together you're still building your

02:13:08.900 life together but you can't love that person anymore um you can forgive that person if they

02:13:12.900 never okay so you can love them again no I said forgive them okay and then you can love them

02:13:16.460 you forgive them love's just you forgive them and then I wouldn't be with I wouldn't have five

02:13:21.420 children with a man who was hypothetical it's a hypothetical you would so you're saying so you're

02:13:26.020 in a relationship you have five children you're married you've been married and he cheats

02:13:29.720 one time and you say that he doesn't love you after all you birth all those five children's

02:13:34.480 you'll have a little house on nantucket island and five children and he did he did it one time

02:13:38.720 I I wouldn't I wouldn't marry someone who would do that the hypothetical though the hypothetical it's

02:13:42.980 not all about your perfect worldview it's in a hypothetical scenario if that were to happen

02:13:48.180 can the man still love the woman I don't believe so her that's ridiculous you've been you've been

02:13:55.000 dating somebody you've been dating somebody for 2.5 years has your boyfriend done anything wrong no

02:14:01.420 nothing not a single thing no no you mean like slapping me sorry no no no he's you've never had

02:14:08.160 an argument you've never disagreed on something he's never even said something that you took even

02:14:12.480 a slight offense to nothing of course I have we have discussions all the time okay but keep going

02:14:18.160 are you gonna equate that to slapping no but it seems like you're saying and look I I think none of

02:14:23.920 us here are in favor of cheating or you know if there's a dv obviously nobody's in favor of that but it's a

02:14:29.960 hypothetical question to say that if hypothetically that were to happen it's a terrible thing to happen

02:14:34.380 yes I'm not saying it's not domestic violence nobody said it's not domestic violence hypothetically

02:14:38.700 could the love still exist I have a quote I have a question on this so are you Catholic yes Sam

02:14:45.040 you're Catholic so you don't believe in divorce correct correct okay so if uh using Jake's example

02:14:51.740 uh there's five kids been married for 10 years everything's been great somehow some superheated

02:14:59.220 argument happens and like uh the if the husband slapped the wife um divorce I know where you're

02:15:06.280 going and the answer is no because I wouldn't marry someone who would do that that's no one's

02:15:11.960 gonna say you never know you're with somebody who would slap you then you're you shouldn't be with

02:15:16.500 them you shouldn't marry them and have five kids okay but you're talking from a utopian utopian

02:15:19.920 perspective but you're talking about individual people you are engaged you would not somebody who

02:15:23.840 would never do that human beings are flawed human beings make mistakes but they're not those things

02:15:27.560 happen and good people do that as well mistake is maybe having a verbal discussion that gets heated

02:15:31.920 but it would never lead to a physical altercation if it does do you think a good man has ever

02:15:36.500 slapped his wife I don't believe so that's ridiculous why people make bad mistakes all the time

02:15:43.420 nobody is perfect what do you think you're religious good doesn't mean good at all hours of the day

02:15:48.400 every single day never make a mistake that's not good I draw the line at physical altercations so

02:15:52.540 just even a little pop but okay would you no no why are we arguing wait where does the bible say

02:15:59.300 that you can divorce your husband hold if he slaps you wait okay hold on hold on so it's it's a bit

02:16:06.000 I it's it seems to me and there's perhaps a specific fallacy for this but you're saying that you you would

02:16:13.040 never marry somebody who would have the capacity to do that but like you don't have what's that

02:16:19.540 fucking minority report thing when they had when they could see the into the future what's that

02:16:23.100 called pre premonition like you wouldn't like predestination that's some some fucking scenario

02:16:30.200 maybe you like I I don't know again we're not it's you shouldn't be hitting anybody but if it did

02:16:35.580 happen I understand what you're saying but you keep saying like well I would never marry somebody

02:16:39.340 but engage with the actual conversation fine so would you divorce if no I wouldn't divorce if if

02:16:45.960 there was a slap no of course not with someone that doesn't love you that doesn't that doesn't

02:16:50.800 mean that I have to divorce them fair enough okay so then but so you wouldn't divorce under those

02:16:55.340 circumstances under no circumstances in that circumstance I would keep it up for the kids

02:17:00.180 okay yeah okay it's not worth it but you think okay so you wouldn't you wouldn't divorce although

02:17:07.800 isn't divorce you can divorce in the case of it's annulment you can get an annulment if there's

02:17:12.320 domestic violence which is completely my position oh so would you get an annulment yeah because

02:17:17.980 this all comes back to the fact that you say you can be a good man and slap your wife like that it's

02:17:24.300 a mistake but but you can still be a good man my view is that if you have domestic violence inside

02:17:29.180 your relationship in my view where I'm Catholic and I don't believe in divorce then you're going

02:17:34.100 against the vows that you you said when we got married and so you're saying that you have to be

02:17:38.520 perfect in marriage otherwise you can't be a good man they're not slapping your wife doesn't mean

02:17:43.080 the vows there's more vows than that absolutely but I'm saying domestic violence is a very like

02:17:48.340 it's like top okay so if you think that literally directly against the vows if a man looks at a woman

02:17:54.000 with lust has he cheated on her yes and he's can he be a good man um if he repents of it of course

02:18:00.140 okay so that the love can still be there even if he goes against the vows I already said that

02:18:04.260 domestic violence is a different tier than like but we're talking about in terms of your vows

02:18:09.500 and we're talking about it on a biblical sense so that's also a sin looking at someone with lust in

02:18:13.860 your heart you've already cheated and I think it also has to do with that you're saying you're saying

02:18:16.460 that's cheating it can be if you don't repent that's what the bible says so then if you just

02:18:20.660 go cheat as if your man just goes it's okay it's but if that's what the bible says if a man has

02:18:27.000 committed adultery then you're saying that's adultery absolutely so you're saying that he can't be a

02:18:31.540 good man and the love is gone after that um I I was talking about domestic violence when you when

02:18:35.880 you asked me that so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make it about other okay but is he willing is he

02:18:39.760 willing the good of that person in that situation no okay just because you're not willing to get

02:18:43.540 another person in these situations doesn't mean there's grounds for divorce like you're mixing

02:18:47.500 up all the different okay okay so you're saying that domestic violence is in a different tier and

02:18:51.180 that there is no way that somebody can ever love somebody if they if they do that no no

02:18:55.440 circumstance you still haven't defined love to me so therefore you repeating the same

02:19:00.060 I'll grant I'll grant your definition I'll grant your definition willing the good of the other

02:19:04.420 yeah yeah your question I'll grant your definition I agree with it yeah okay so there

02:19:09.280 is no situation where that could happen where then the man could ever still love the woman is what

02:19:13.580 you're saying I personally don't think so but that's just that's just where I'm coming from

02:19:19.180 and I and I can see I think this is the kind of thing where this isn't some like we were talking

02:19:22.980 about earlier about abortion where it's a moral like black and white I don't think this is some

02:19:26.740 kind of moral black and white I think other people can have different opinions on it but

02:19:29.700 earlier didn't you say morality is black and white no I'm saying this isn't one that's that's what

02:19:33.700 I'm saying no but there's morality as a whole is black and white this is what I'm saying that this

02:19:37.820 isn't just one question just one question so we but before we did say that you can't love your

02:19:43.460 partner if you cheat on them after we we did have that conversation where you said that if a man

02:19:47.720 commits adultery then he can't love his partner after that I don't believe that he's willing the good

02:19:52.340 of another person when he cheats okay so then would you would you agree with the would you agree

02:19:56.560 with the bible when the bible says that if you look at a woman with adult with with lust then

02:20:01.800 you've committed adultery in your heart yes so then you're saying that a man can't love a woman if

02:20:06.420 he looks at another woman with lust yes that's ridiculous why you just you just agreed because we

02:20:12.680 don't live in a perfect world and men make mistakes and men do that all the time standard though the point

02:20:17.340 is I'm speaking from having a standard where we're talking about someone who who doesn't think

02:20:21.720 cheating's wrong and so I'm saying that it's actually wrong yeah here let's uh we're gonna

02:20:26.740 switch gears here uh one one to to finish off on this really quick do you think that uh I asked you

02:20:34.120 okay so annulment would be warranted under the circumstances if a woman slapped a man slapped

02:20:39.440 her husband would annulment be warranted also yes they're two people is all right either or I just want

02:20:45.260 to make sure that you have the same standard for both absolutely men and women and I don't think

02:20:49.100 anybody here is in favor of like domestic violence or anything it was a hypothetical we're just

02:20:54.060 talking about it for sure I'm worried I was like oh god am I gonna get clipped is jake gonna get

02:21:00.320 clipped all right um so it's tough when you're having these sort of like kind of nuanced conversations

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02:21:31.400 all this nope I mean for where on the screen there was a comment on the screen and in the middle of

02:21:37.420 like this whole debate someone like brought up a really good uh point okay like I forgot I forgot

02:21:43.860 who it was but they were like oh like this is why you should date to marry and why like he said something

02:21:49.020 about like Asian cultures like they date to marry and they tend to have like better marriages and whatnot

02:21:53.140 and then he said like um that's why the west is kind of like uh deteriorating when it comes to dating

02:22:01.640 because it's like it's kind of like a free-for-all now um I wasn't sure if you guys had caught that

02:22:08.000 I just wanted if that's something it was below it was below the threshold so we agree with that I think

02:22:12.480 we all technically agree that in a perfect world people would date to marry and people would be

02:22:16.040 virgins until marriage but we live in a fallen world and we have to meet the world where it is

02:22:19.860 we have fally here good evening everyone bricks and small suggestion increase the tts back to 200

02:22:24.460 so apologies if I'm vulgar dgens like hunter and the numbers guy are less likely to comment

02:22:30.020 indecent stuff piece um uh I mean I think uh you know I think the tts at this threshold like I only

02:22:40.460 boost the tts if we have like a really big panel like last show we had like what 12 13 people madison

02:22:45.600 yeah it was just like we had way too much to get through and if it was the tts was too frequent

02:22:50.560 it would just take forever to get through it um I think this is a pretty solid threshold and also if

02:22:55.580 we have a big guest especially like for example when we had charlie kirk like you know he was only

02:23:00.560 here for a limited period of time we want to give him you know as much uninterrupted uh air time as

02:23:06.320 possible but thank you fally appreciate that and then we also have miss nims canadian 50 hey thank you

02:23:12.700 miss nims by 30 what is considered a high body count um I mean I suppose I could open this up

02:23:18.100 to the panel here but uh thoughts anybody do you start um I think by 30 a high body count would be

02:23:31.220 for a woman for oh for a woman okay uh for a man I don't think it matters for a woman I would say

02:23:39.620 five or six okay um I guess anything over 25 anything over 25 is that your way of telling us

02:23:50.880 that your body counts 25 way more but yeah uh should we do body count madison wait actually hold on

02:24:01.320 we'll do it later we'll do I'll do it later uh okay your answer what's a high body count for a woman

02:24:06.520 yeah anything over five six okay um I don't know I've I've never really considered it as like a bad

02:24:16.380 thing so I would say more like your answer like I could see girls I know lots of girls who who fuck a lot

02:24:23.700 oh yeah um I don't know what the scale would be for high or low like I don't know what what would be

02:24:30.960 high because they're just people so for both men and women I think I don't know what would be a high

02:24:38.820 body count just what what is hot what is that is the question what you think it's not about what

02:24:43.640 they think like what what do you think a thousand a thousand that's what I'm saying okay go ahead go

02:24:49.640 ahead I legitimately have no idea okay Sarah I don't know like I'm thinking about what the average

02:24:56.140 would be I guess probably right like the way the world is right now probably like five would be

02:25:02.400 average so high would be 10 or something I don't know

02:25:05.900 Jake what is a high body count for a for a woman over 30 uh anything over 10

02:25:16.540 yeah I'd agree I'd say over 10 it's uh obviously the thing is though is like the lower the better

02:25:27.880 so uh there you have it uh let me finally get into some of my pre-show notes from all of y'all so

02:25:34.220 uh Nick if you can hide that for me thank you let's start with Alyssa here Alyssa

02:25:39.500 you got married too young got divorced we went over that a bit you dated someone new then got pregnant

02:25:45.340 and married again uh then you were cheated on when your baby was five months old in your own home

02:25:54.320 with my friend rip uh and wait hold on uh and you said it's taken you a long while to stand up for

02:26:07.020 yourself yep and your daughter and file again wait yep for divorce uh okay um because I agree with

02:26:16.120 you of where love is an action and someone still can love you and you can forgive them and they can be

02:26:22.920 a good man but if they stop loving you and they're not a good man then there's nothing you can do

02:26:30.400 because I don't believe in divorce oftentimes it is once the trust seal is broken exactly it's done

02:26:36.400 yeah the vast majority of the time and it's probably no other way but yeah so that's why I stayed way too

02:26:43.720 long and I finally got to the point where I found some self-confidence and decided to break it

02:26:52.180 but that's not break what my marriage oh just be done with it okay you guys don't still live

02:26:58.660 together correct no no he moved out real quick and real easy oh like what do you mean like I told him

02:27:07.020 it was time like it got toxic and he just he had no respect for me anymore and so I like had my low

02:27:15.300 self-esteem so I finally asked him to go and he just left so you kept the you guys did you guys own

02:27:21.720 the house or yeah I stay in the house it's my father's oh it's your okay oh so he moved in with

02:27:27.260 you okay I see and then um wait so okay does he pay does he pay child support or no no do you want

02:27:39.560 him to well I want him to support his child does you guys have shared custody that's what I filed

02:27:46.640 for yeah oh you okay he's not a bad father yeah horrible husband I see okay uh-huh uh let's see what

02:27:57.060 else you said modern dating is too fast the culture is too perverse and revealing mystery is much more

02:28:03.660 enticing but no judgments here you had to learn that what do you when you say mystery is much more

02:28:08.920 enticing what do you mean like I don't know I feel like you'd build a better relationship if you

02:28:14.920 didn't just give it away so quickly but that's not for me to judge because my example is terrible

02:28:22.800 well so in all your previous uh relationship escapades uh I mean how long would you typically wait

02:28:30.600 um well anybody else I was with it was in high school so like a year and a half

02:28:36.860 what do you mean like when I started dating someone in high school we'd wait like a year

02:28:42.080 to have sex a year yeah I was in high school how old are you again is this the fucking 1950s

02:28:49.700 it should be god damn okay uh okay so uh but you say that the culture is too perverse and revealing

02:28:59.340 mystery is much more enticing but so for all your relationships you've always waited

02:29:03.700 or like high school yeah so with the exception of your most recent relationship yeah uh you waited

02:29:12.360 how long the like a few days hey no judgment I got pregnant within a month of us dating

02:29:20.820 yeah but then he was like oh I'm gonna marry you because I had just gotten out of a terrible

02:29:27.460 relationship like on and off boyfriend from high school we married young he did drugs messed around

02:29:33.520 okay but I didn't know any of that so when I found all that out it was like huge wait so you had just

02:29:39.720 broken up with your previous husband yeah him and I weren't together for about a year while the

02:29:46.580 divorce was filing and I was like 21 yeah and then after it was officially done okay this guy asked me

02:29:54.500 out and so I said yes and then he was like prince charming or so I thought until there was infidelity

02:30:01.640 can I ask you a question um how long were you guys married for or dating dating and married when he did

02:30:07.760 that no no how long just total were you guys together oh four and a half years almost five

02:30:13.100 total but we got married like a month before my daughter was born and then so she was five months

02:30:21.880 so we were only married six months okay was uh hold on and you total you were together for four years

02:30:29.280 so I stayed because you know that's love what do you think precipitated the infidelity uh and if you

02:30:35.860 don't mind me asking I mean were you guys in a dead bedroom relationship no not at all no okay

02:30:41.120 okay and then I got to the point where I was still like begging him for sex mm-hmm oh okay all right and

02:30:49.520 he didn't you wanted it he didn't yep but then all right my friend in the bathroom wait he huh

02:30:55.740 my friend came out to visit me to see our baby and then I woke up at four in the morning to find

02:31:04.620 him not in bed with me and walk down the hallway to hear them in the bathroom excuse me

02:31:11.420 so how how good friends was it like a long oh I had known her like six years since childhood or

02:31:19.480 okay six years yeah I had known her six years oh god that's wait had and how did you not kill her

02:31:25.260 hold on hold on had you met before christ huh had they met before had they met before um I think one

02:31:32.480 time she flew out when we were dating that's and I was pregnant and then because she lives on the east

02:31:38.480 coast and then she flew out after my daughter was born do you have any suspicion that they

02:31:44.360 cheated that initial meeting see I think about that often because she used to talk to me about

02:31:52.020 how her husband never initiated sex and how she wanted to be wanted and I remember standing there

02:31:57.780 thinking like oh that sucks because my husband was amazing he's my boyfriend at the time I was like

02:32:04.540 oh that's all he ever did he made me feel sexy and so I don't know if she did have that but that

02:32:12.340 was the first night her and her sister her younger sister came out and that was the first night they

02:32:17.220 stayed that's a pretty great oh so she she came your friend came with her sister younger sister to see

02:32:22.700 the baby it was the friend not the sister correct it was yeah my friend your friend okay they and so

02:32:29.160 they were staying at your house yes your family house yep and your friend of six years cheated

02:32:36.460 or well had sex with your husband yep in please tell me it wasn't in your bedroom no it was in our

02:32:45.100 bathroom oh in the all right in the bathroom so I knocked because I heard them and then she goes just

02:32:50.480 a minute and I said no you need to open this door now and then she comes out all like oh and then I

02:32:57.000 went in and I opened the shower curtain and he's sitting there and the hat I bought him the shirt

02:33:02.460 and his wedding ring you you not only found out they cheated you caught them in the act yeah I

02:33:08.700 heard them they broke the towel rack what the fuck what the holy shit okay now that's a reason to

02:33:16.560 wait what did they break straight away they broke the towel holder now that's when I'd agree with you

02:33:21.260 that the love's gone that's that's egregious that is egregious I wish I did in that moment I wish I

02:33:26.960 had the balls to go but I didn't I got them both water I told her to what no that's it don't

02:33:34.220 the water in her face clip it get get rid of that that you we cannot have that okay

02:33:38.660 you're like hold on can so just like demonstrating you you you wait it's okay you caught them

02:33:46.880 in the bathroom oh I've heard it all I know what he sounds like you know have you ever gone a

02:33:50.940 professional massage and you know after the massage they come to you with like this little

02:33:54.100 little cup and they're like here you go do you need some hydration was it like that oh my god no I

02:34:00.720 literally just like I don't know I all I can say is that I just had Christ in me at the moment and I

02:34:08.080 he that look on his face was that of I fucked up and so I know he knows he fucked up but after that

02:34:15.680 yo that's a major do you have an idea about like who seduced who or did you get any like

02:34:20.020 other details yeah um we I mean we're all drinking in our back room and they started to get real

02:34:27.380 flirty he started to do things with like show her music videos that he did with me on our first date

02:34:33.240 and so I told her sister I said you watch them and she was all ha ha I even actually set my phone up

02:34:39.680 but I was like buzzed to listen and I heard her talking bad about me on it um but then I went and

02:34:48.520 grabbed my phone later that night and I went to bed oh wait you went to bed without them and then

02:34:52.480 and then I woke up at four in the morning and then I went back and the door was locked so I knew he had

02:34:57.700 locked them out of that room and then I walked back down the hall and that's what I heard him in the

02:35:02.840 yo hold it so what okay you you see them you know oh I heard it what so you walk in what do you say

02:35:11.400 what what do you say um she just kept saying um I love my husband I'm married I love my husband

02:35:20.520 oh she I wish I said no wait your friend was married to you did they deny her I went to her wedding

02:35:27.180 like a couple months prior I flew out for her wedding and I did all her flowers wait so

02:35:34.380 do they have kids no are they divorcing nope I know I know she lied to him why does she lie

02:35:41.420 do you reckon she hates you or she's at least very jealous of you because often when women are

02:35:45.020 really jealous like that they might get back at you

02:35:47.240 I don't know did you steal a boyfriend or something no I flew out and did her flowers

02:35:55.160 for her wedding I don't get that impression that's uh never that's sick but she said she

02:36:01.580 still loves her husband and then she went back and he was all drunk and wait so did did I don't know

02:36:06.780 did the husband did the husband uh I don't think she told him the truth he unfollowed me on instagram

02:36:14.660 like her family but how did this not get back to them I she's a lying sack of crap no but did did you

02:36:21.020 approach the husband and say yo come get your fucking wife what the fuck I thought about telling

02:36:26.920 our little sister too but I don't know the little the sister was there at the house how was this not

02:36:32.180 like fucking major fucking nuclear I wish I went batshit crazy I do I wish I had my moment and I

02:36:40.660 wish I went crazy okay but I did not I sat there and I did dishes because I mean I like four in the

02:36:47.140 morning and then I waited for the light and I went to my parents house and this my baby this wasn't

02:36:52.500 something you like you saw it yeah well just speaking briefly on the fucking husband of the

02:36:59.460 that dude's that's a fucking major cuck if you're gonna stay with your cheating yeah what okay first

02:37:07.840 off tear a couple really uh terrible things here your friend the betrayal from your friend yeah and

02:37:15.300 from your husband uh absolutely egregious doing it in your house I mean there's just so many layers

02:37:21.240 to this so first off uh sorry to hear that you went through that um and I mean I certainly applaud you

02:37:27.180 for uh I mean for actually I suppose it sounds like you were actually rather stoic in that moment

02:37:33.940 and you know uh did not I mean I I wouldn't have blamed you certainly if you had a major fucking

02:37:40.820 meltdown seeing that I mean no the the sort of like that um I heard somewhere that I don't know if

02:37:48.660 it's in the bible but somewhere somebody told me that Jesus prays for you when you're about to go

02:37:53.940 through things and I know that that was that moment that was the only thing I felt wait read this here

02:38:00.360 read this down here I mean I do think the husband I mean you should at least make some sort of I I think

02:38:06.960 he knows something happened oh he's just he does now wants to be ignorant I guess all right there we go

02:38:13.940 that's a good point there we go goddamn that's fucking insane uh yeah five years later that's

02:38:21.540 pretty fucking scummy uh super scummy can I ask you questions um do you think that you don't have

02:38:27.900 to answer if it's personal but do you think you would have married him if you guys didn't have a kid

02:38:31.600 together no I not that quickly if if I had dated him to now know the type of he's very charming and

02:38:43.400 then all of a sudden it'll turn to condescending like it got to the point where I was begging him

02:38:49.440 like I would walk in naked for attention and he would say things like we get at your tan or we get

02:38:55.580 at your skinny and that would like to walk away from that and that humiliation yeah and then like

02:39:02.340 trying to talk to him about it laugh at me yeah I just but I had no self-worth I literally got

02:39:07.840 married so young it turned out crappy I got divorced that was my parents well you're gonna go to hell

02:39:13.220 and then met and got pregnant yeah and it was just like why Alyssa do you think it changed your view

02:39:19.980 of like waiting for for sex later on in like a relationship like oh absolutely or is it did it

02:39:25.400 change that view at all oh yeah no I've repented hardcore and that what's nice is like when I had

02:39:32.960 been in bad relationships after I would seek attention and not like necessarily sexual attention

02:39:37.380 but just like any type of attention to make myself feel worth and I repented that because I don't want

02:39:43.520 to be that type of person so it was nice because after that truth bomb donated $100 hate to see this

02:39:51.280 you have no idea this same thing happened to me in 15 year marriage I have since turned to my faith

02:39:58.840 yo truth bomb sorry to hear that that uh that happened to you man uh yeah so wait and remind us so you

02:40:05.240 when did the uh infidelity occur how long ago was it you said um eight months ago no my daughter was

02:40:12.740 six months old so like four and a half years ago four and a half years ago hunter donated $100

02:40:18.980 nothing wrong with what he did men need girlfriends he cheated because he was tired of the same cat

02:40:26.440 woman protect a man's spurt and men give woman children and provide materially okay there you have

02:40:33.240 it from hunter sorry to him hot take from hunter I should have said aren't you happy so you've not

02:40:38.440 have you not uh dated at all since the incident the incident or like filing for divorce both um no

02:40:49.140 oh so you've had relationships no what do you mean like have you been seeing guys dating any guys

02:40:55.500 no my heart's broken okay do you think there's any chance this may come off as I hope it probably

02:41:03.060 will come off disrespectful but I'm just curious do you think there's any chance that you would have

02:41:06.740 stayed with him like you I know I even after all of that happened you had to stay with him I mean

02:41:12.980 like oh wait the guy hold on this was years ago the guy who stayed with him for years she did oh yeah

02:41:18.760 yeah yeah I thought you guys were you only divorced more recently but you were separated for much longer

02:41:24.420 oh so you wait after that infidelity happened like a few months later my mom was diagnosed with

02:41:32.120 cancer a month after that he was diagnosed with cancer and then it was just that like weird talking

02:41:38.040 yourself into like well I can't be the bitch now that doesn't like the guy with cancer but after that

02:41:43.500 he got so just aggressive like angry aggressive screaming at me slamming things yeah and then it was

02:41:52.640 always my fault it was always well you did this or I'm angry because you did this and then it was he had

02:41:59.620 and I didn't tell anybody about his infidelity so everyone had a painted picture of like him being

02:42:04.920 Prince Charming because that's what he presented and so who am I going to be the bitch to divorce the

02:42:11.000 perfect guy with cancer so I stayed and I stayed for my daughter and then she got terrified and it got to

02:42:19.280 the point where it was like this isn't healthy anymore and I remember trying to talk to him that day

02:42:26.020 and he laughed at me and I said I had the balls and I said I think it's time for you to go and he went

02:42:31.120 huh yeah and then I wrote him a letter the next morning and I said I don't want you to go I don't

02:42:37.020 want this relationship to end you cannot talk to me the way you do blah blah blah and he just left

02:42:41.800 didn't say a word to me he never tried never said sorry never asked so okay so and that was over a year

02:42:49.900 ago but you've uh from the point of the infidelity occurring and now you've not been intimate with

02:42:57.540 any other men no okay but you continued being intimate with him after the infidelity yeah very

02:43:04.240 rarely pretty rarely yeah he wouldn't like we were like roommates and I was so embarrassed to keep

02:43:11.340 trying to try to get attention from a man who treated me like that also men like normally we like

02:43:18.700 won't we have certain urges do you think that the infidelity may have been more wide wide spanning

02:43:23.860 than you you thought if he really didn't want to have sex with you do you think maybe he was

02:43:26.840 getting it somewhere else dude if if he fucked another like her friend in her house there's like

02:43:33.400 this guy's like that's like a vicious dog you know this guy's such a fucking dog it must there must

02:43:38.620 have been I don't if you can do that that's like going from zero to a hundred there's gotta be

02:43:42.800 bro yeah there's gotta be uh other guys so uh or excuse me other there could be it was he might

02:43:50.240 have been gay who knows terrible thing to think about though I had a girlfriend once I'm pretty

02:43:54.560 sure was cheating on me for quite a while that's terrible and I can't I can't be sure it was when

02:43:59.100 I was much younger but looking back and I'm like I don't know and it's like yeah I don't think he was

02:44:03.680 we were very hot and heavy and that's I mean I got pregnant and then we got married like

02:44:07.740 10 months later and so it was just that or nine months later but I never said no to him

02:44:15.540 I mean that was we it was a very lusty relationship and that's why I don't think it was founded on love

02:44:22.480 he had no faith I mean he would make fun of me for my political beliefs my religion was he a liberal

02:44:29.000 oh god you should straight away oh I know now wait so so uh hold on he just treated me like I was some

02:44:38.480 dumb hick that's what he treated me like he made fun of my family it just was he quite a couple

02:44:44.380 questions how tall was he 5'11 oh he's 5'11 okay how tall are you 5'8 oh five okay um was he wealthy

02:44:55.120 he moved in with her I don't know no what did he what did he do for work don't don't dox him just

02:45:01.080 like what um he is an engineer yes he's a very smart man he makes a lot of money software engineer

02:45:06.240 no he's a um mechanical engineer okay it's a good guess yeah uh handsome very handsome he's a good

02:45:15.700 looking guy Chad yeah very chatty chatty Chad liberal he was like the overly confident guy and

02:45:23.860 now I've got on like you want you want the kind guy he's a narcissist yeah he's very he has a lot of

02:45:31.620 those qualities okay well uh I mean that's you've certainly been through quite a lot I mean you know

02:45:38.240 you said that it was who else got cancer there was someone else who had cancer my mom she passed

02:45:44.580 of brain cancer shit sorry to hear that uh I mean yeah you've definitely uh that's you've been

02:45:50.260 quite through a lot both in your with uh your better things around the corner yeah guarantee it

02:45:54.360 guarantee it you you're on the whatever podcast it's all uphill it's all uphill from here um well

02:46:01.400 yeah but uh definitely seems like you've uh certainly been through quite a bit and uh although I mean

02:46:07.240 my my first impression of you I mean you come off like a very well put together person so

02:46:12.100 I mean my applause for uh you know keeping your life together despite some of the uh difficult

02:46:20.140 things that you've encountered uh recently so God is good I applaud you on that so um switching to

02:46:26.640 we got some more pre-show notes here we have Katie hi Katie here she's an online content writer slash

02:46:32.360 editor you did do OF uh for a year or so but you stopped in 2021 yeah were you doing you uh like

02:46:40.360 just bg content girl girl content or just like solo content when you're mostly solo um every

02:46:48.260 uh every now and then why why did you quit um honestly I never felt like I could really commit to

02:46:57.100 it and I I just couldn't um like if I really really wanted to try to make a lot of money I guess I could

02:47:04.660 have done that I was a very small operation and I had a full-time job at the time and I was kind of

02:47:11.140 just like being crazy and having fun and just like not really knowing what I was doing so I didn't

02:47:16.200 really have a purpose for doing it and then I just kind of got sick of it it was like kind of a lot of

02:47:20.120 work so props to you who do stuff like that because you tell us about the there was a threesome what

02:47:27.360 happened there oh that's one of my funnier stories uh that I thought might be interesting

02:47:32.160 but I had a threesome um with a pregnant woman and I didn't know she was pregnant at the time but

02:47:38.760 she just showed up and she was pregnant and I didn't want to be rude so I just did it she just

02:47:43.840 showed up like you didn't know her like hardcore showing I met them on tinder uh yeah it was okay it

02:47:50.540 was like it wasn't like about to burst but it was like noticeable where I was like I at first I was

02:47:56.640 like maybe she's just like heavy and then I was like oh no I'm pretty sure pretty sure she's

02:48:01.580 pregnant did you at least get godmother status you know what honestly I should have asked I should

02:48:07.380 have asked wait I have a question uh yeah I don't know if you specified this your relationship

02:48:13.420 yes is it with a man or with a woman a man oh okay I don't know where I got that from uh okay

02:48:19.420 are you bisexual though I am yes yeah uh so you and have you had other threesomes or is that just the

02:48:26.380 single that was like my thing for a while I was like a unicorn on tinder yeah yeah and it was it

02:48:31.560 was like one of those things like some people have talked about um like seeking validation um

02:48:36.600 because I had really low self-esteem and it was just like an easy way to just feel validated and

02:48:42.500 how many uh unicorn threesome situations do you think not that many I would say maybe two to three

02:48:49.560 two to three okay uh you also wrote here your dating app experience prior to your current

02:48:54.420 relationship was a practice in self-destruction yes too much chaos that came from insecurity however

02:48:59.720 I don't think a high body count necessarily means a woman should be discounted because I think trauma

02:49:05.580 can cause both men and women to use sex as a coping mechanism before growing slash learning and coming

02:49:10.880 into oneself uh so you said that the dating app experience was a practice in self-destruction so I

02:49:18.680 mean besides the two to three threesomes were you also just having kind of uh what's the term just

02:49:25.020 casual casual no there's a different term for it uh indiscriminate sex with

02:49:30.000 kind of it it often didn't actually like lead to sex but it was a lot of first dates

02:49:35.640 um first dates and dates that like I didn't intend to have really go anywhere it was just like how can I

02:49:41.060 keep like I don't know keep myself validated and busy um and typically it didn't go very far it was

02:49:49.400 like a lot of douche bags and uh just like yeah it was shitty it sucked I didn't meet barely anyone

02:49:56.200 great I don't know how people do it okay yeah tinder's a bit like that and you said yeah we touched on

02:50:04.280 body count a little bit here but hold on you said find a lot of the readers oh well we already did

02:50:10.660 this but uh you we were talking about the you know the rating and in your notes here you said I also

02:50:15.460 find a lot of the rate yourself answers frustrating we were talking about physical reality and being

02:50:19.940 healthily confident is not the same as thinking you're physically perfect yeah did you want to

02:50:24.580 weigh I think that's in response to like the one to ten rating thing yeah yeah so we like we already

02:50:28.860 did that and I yeah I just watching the show quite a bit I find whatever someone gives

02:50:34.160 an answer of like I don't know just like no I guess not wanting to do it but I don't care no

02:50:40.320 judgment to you guys but I I I'm like no it's just like relative to what you think about yourself okay

02:50:47.160 I see what you're saying yeah like I guess I'm a saying I agree with you and what you typically say

02:50:51.940 sure and you said uh going back to the body count thing you think I don't think a high body count

02:50:57.720 necessarily means a woman should be discounted yeah because I think trauma can cause both men and women

02:51:02.840 to use sex as a coping mechanism um do you care to elaborate a little bit on that so you would

02:51:07.860 would you object to a guy discounting a woman if she had a high body count I I think it's yeah

02:51:15.660 like I'm not gonna like you know yell at them or whatever but I think there's like wrong I don't

02:51:22.320 necessarily think they're wrong I think as a general rule it probably is like I understand where you're

02:51:27.820 coming from as a guy being like I don't want you to have a high body count but I don't think

02:51:32.380 I think there are exceptions I think it's like like you said like people can go through shitty things in

02:51:38.340 life and learn to be better and just because you had like a crazy past doesn't mean you're gonna have

02:51:44.760 a crazy future or maybe there's even someone who didn't have a crazy past and then kind of breaks and

02:51:51.520 goes for it like in their 30s or 40s I don't know that's where I think there can be exceptions sure

02:51:57.000 well going around the table on this question um does body count matter and do you object to a man

02:52:03.640 discounting using her words here discounting a woman with a high body count starting with you

02:52:09.400 going around go ahead can you ask that that last question about discounting yeah do you object to

02:52:14.680 a man discounting a woman with a high body count I think the body count is really important I think

02:52:20.980 as a woman your body count is a reflection of part of your value and I don't see an issue with a man

02:52:27.640 having a problem with a woman having a high body count I think that it's reasonable and just

02:52:33.620 hunter donated 100 men's validation doesn't come from cheating it comes from masculine achievement

02:52:42.400 the sexual marketplace for a man is the byproduct of that with no achievement the man's access is nearly

02:52:49.120 zero wait the sexual market for men is the byproduct uh okay thank you hunter for that

02:53:00.280 thought appreciate it thank you hunter yeah I think I think body count is really important

02:53:05.220 um I think it's a reflection of your value as a woman okay all right

02:53:10.500 um I don't really care if somebody discounts me because I have a high body count they're not

02:53:18.500 typically the people I look for anyway I personally don't think it's important but that's it

02:53:24.780 can you repeat the question one more time uh so do you object to men discounting women

02:53:32.020 if they because of their body count no everyone has a preference okay I think you've we know your

02:53:40.060 position on it you think that that's uh you disagree with men doing that I think I think I

02:53:47.620 just I believe in you know people as a whole I don't think just because your body count is high

02:53:53.440 that you're necessarily like gonna be a shitty partner okay what about you um I definitely think

02:54:00.160 body count matters um but it's a little bit more than just uh like a black and white thing I think it's

02:54:07.140 that it should be both it's not just women women's like body count should be discounted by men or

02:54:13.580 whatever I think it's both that both men and women's body counts matter okay I agree with that take um I

02:54:20.660 think men and women's body counts should be um both considered um but going back to like the final

02:54:28.300 question should men be shamed or should men like have the right to um just reject a woman because her

02:54:36.300 body count I think it depends on the man because if you are a man with a high body count and you

02:54:43.680 have that standard for yourself you want to go for a woman you disregard a woman who also has a

02:54:50.520 high body count I think you should even it out even out your values for the both of you

02:54:56.580 okay I have a response to that but go ahead Sarah um I think people can have preferences and I think

02:55:03.400 it's fine to say I don't want to be with someone who's promiscuous or whatever um but I also just

02:55:11.360 don't like I think it's just the word value bothers me because I just think it's kind of sad to think I

02:55:16.820 have less value as a person because of things I've done and I think it's like kind of this like you were

02:55:24.260 saying you struggle with self-worth and you think you because I think you're attributing your value

02:55:29.080 to like your value in this sexual marketplace but I don't struggle with self-worth but I think that

02:55:34.500 I mean obviously sexuality plays a big part and your value as a woman I think if you have a high

02:55:40.400 body count you're not as valuable as a woman who is a virgin I think well when we're using this term

02:55:47.760 value and I think perhaps Sarah where you're maybe misunderstanding is when when we're using this

02:55:53.060 word value we're not saying like your value in terms of your uh life value your your value as a

02:55:59.680 human being it's more it's used in the sense of your value in the dating marketplace yeah you're saying

02:56:09.000 your sexual market value like what the average person would want so in that case I think yeah

02:56:14.060 body count matters because a lot of men probably would prefer a lower body count I mean that's kind

02:56:19.920 of just a fact yeah but I just I I'm just saying I don't like using the word value because it's just

02:56:24.820 kind of sad it's like or body count yeah I just don't like it I feel like it's only sad if you have

02:56:31.040 a high body count and you I don't feel like aren't a virgin because body just like removes the soul

02:56:36.260 hunter donated 100 a woman's body count should be zero her job is to protect her man's spirit

02:56:44.380 how can a woman protect a man's spirit if she couldn't protect her own I man's job is to provide

02:56:50.820 and protect physically I would agree with that I think the most valuable woman would ideally be a

02:56:56.920 virgin I think her job like if I could go if I could go back and change everything and have a higher value

02:57:02.720 as a woman I would spend my time cooking learning how to cook better food staying away from going out

02:57:09.480 not going to clubs not going and you know traveling I think that that's something that

02:57:14.540 high value men look for and I wish that I could change the trajectory of like what's stopping you

02:57:19.800 from doing that now that's a good question um wait sorry sorry you answer the question go ahead um I

02:57:28.240 I haven't been with someone in quite a while I've been I guess stop the cow you've been celibate

02:57:38.300 I have it has been a bit uh been a bit but how long have you been celibate for I'd say maybe

02:57:44.960 a year maybe a year maybe she's so full of shit give or take well I I want you to answer his

02:57:53.360 question but like I and I I do think you're pandering a little bit with some of your answers

02:57:58.620 like I get the impression that you're pandering like I don't know if you're actually like you genuinely

02:58:02.980 hold some of these positions and you're just like trying to like pander to the audience but

02:58:09.460 chat do you think she's pandering a little bit anyways go ahead I think that's fair I mean I think

02:58:13.700 that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this so I think that's a fair

02:58:18.120 opinion to have um I know that I may not follow through with what I'm speaking about I know that I'm not

02:58:25.520 the ideal woman I get that but that doesn't mean that I don't know what's right from wrong I know

02:58:30.840 that I've made the wrong decisions I feel like if I were trying to pander to the audience maybe I

02:58:34.500 could tell people that I don't have a body count of four or that you know I haven't been with anyone

02:58:39.280 but I have and I am on OnlyFans and I'm not the perfect woman but that doesn't mean that I don't

02:58:44.020 know what's right and what's wrong that doesn't mean that I don't know what a high value man looks

02:58:47.280 for in a woman I know these things and I know that I'm not that person but I still am aware

02:58:52.260 so why do you continue to do the wrong thing then like I mean that's a great question um has to be

02:59:00.920 a reason I think

02:59:03.120 you know I I wish that I could have a good answer for that question I think that I'm just not sure

02:59:13.060 exactly what like everyone says what I want to do right now with my life and I think that you know

02:59:20.280 I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe that I can be forgiven I know it's sad but well I have a

02:59:28.740 whole here we'll come to that in a sec but okay so you're uh let's say JC um okay let's finish up on

02:59:37.560 the body count conversation um so I think we were actually getting into that everyone's body Madison

02:59:46.380 what's your body count the only time I get to speak is when I'm here yeah exactly that's that's why

02:59:52.040 she's here I'm a virgin I'm kidding it's eight four I can give like a roundabout sure like 120 120 okay

03:00:07.440 four four eight zero zero zero whoa okay

03:00:17.380 surrounded by purity here feel it rubbing off on me um that's between me and the man upstairs

03:00:25.440 okay all right good times okay that's everybody's body count thanks for watching the whatever pod

03:00:33.300 I'm kidding okay uh all right uh so we we hit the body count um I'm trying to think if there's

03:00:40.180 here let me uh I oh it came up from your point right your pre-show note so you say uh men should

03:00:46.860 not discount women because of their body count um and I think they can be discounted I think if you

03:00:55.220 want to that's fine yeah I would prefer like I would be more into somebody who wasn't so judgmental

03:01:02.560 so that's where I'm coming so you think it's judgmental wrongly judgmental for a guy to not

03:01:08.540 want to date a woman with a high body count I think it's just when I hear people talk about this it comes

03:01:13.960 with a kind of vibe that's like looking at women with disgust I think if if you're saying it I don't

03:01:20.500 think it's looking at women with disgust it's looking at promiscuity with uh with disgust and I think

03:01:26.640 that just I mean you know disgust uh I mean the reality is like STDs are a thing oh absolutely like

03:01:34.460 STDs for sure that's something to be concerned so somebody who has a high body count is more likely

03:01:40.500 to have an STD for example I guess yeah I guess I I would just always think that this person would

03:01:46.740 be checking like not just you know not what about anyone yeah I mean something could perhaps maybe

03:01:53.600 they haven't tested for it maybe it's uh uh you know maybe they have HPV they don't know maybe

03:02:00.620 I I think even with herpes you can perhaps be totally asymptomatic but uh I don't know I I don't

03:02:09.700 want to say something that's just factually scientifically incorrect but um yeah I mean

03:02:16.000 yeah that's fair I think it's just more of like the and it's not you guys it's just the tone of a lot

03:02:21.560 of these conversations it ends up being like oh and if she has a high body count oh horrible like

03:02:26.420 disgusting and no I mean I I avoid using that sort of uh language but like just I would prefer a woman

03:02:34.500 with a low body count yeah and I respect that for sure absolutely but I think just that on its own

03:02:41.800 is enough to disqualify a woman from a relationship from with me anyways other men are free to have

03:02:48.100 their own standards although I certainly would encourage men one of the best things I think you

03:02:52.460 can use as a metric uh when it comes to screening somebody is their promiscuity whether past or present

03:02:59.380 I mean I'm the most promiscuous person here and I get tested every 14 days they don't okay

03:03:04.380 well you're you're in the old adult entertainment industry you're in the porn industry but that sort

03:03:10.240 of you're omitting the like this is I hear this argument frequently from uh porn actresses uh you're

03:03:16.440 omitting rather deceptively you're omitting the fact that they don't test for herpes or HPV

03:03:22.580 right no what do you mean no I mean they don't it's not required right you don't have to test

03:03:30.280 right and you know tell me what would happen if they did start testing for herpes in the

03:03:34.620 porn industry I don't know well okay I mean I feel like you should ask somebody who's like been in it

03:03:41.020 longer okay how many uh how many you so you said your body counts over 120 uh if you had to break

03:03:49.320 like how many of those were from work the majority like okay then like 95 95 of them and the rest were

03:03:59.740 civilians I guess you could say uh as as you might say but the thing is is they don't test for herpes

03:04:04.980 or HPV uh in these uh in the porn industry and the reality my understanding and I've spoken to quite a few

03:04:13.060 women in porn uh if you're doing traditional porn like it's it's not if it's when you eventually

03:04:20.380 catch herpes like you're gonna catch herpes if you're like frequently doing scenes you disagree

03:04:26.420 I feel like you should ask somebody who's been in it longer like okay I'm still new like I feel

03:04:32.700 like I'm not qualified to answer that that's terrifying just to think not if but when yeah I mean uh we had

03:04:41.700 a girl on the show who she and what the crazy thing was it wasn't so much that she had herpes but

03:04:48.140 she continued shooting and she wouldn't just she doesn't disclose to uh her scene partners that she

03:04:55.340 has herpes she said isn't that a like illegal or something can't she get like I don't know but she

03:05:00.420 says no she people don't really disclose in the porn industry if they have herpes so that's terrifying

03:05:06.180 yeah loose pussy energy donated $100 my boy these futties got john wick type bodies with too many

03:05:15.340 face and back shotties they take no accountabilities and brought great shame to their families especially

03:05:21.700 the one in the backseas hashtag get the rocks that was fucking shakespeare in the flesh here thank you

03:05:29.700 uh lp appreciate it man wait what were we talking about the stds or something herpes yeah yeah you

03:05:36.780 know uh i have a question go ahead you said you were new to the porn industry like what was it that

03:05:45.460 made you decide to do it like how recent wait hold on i i'll let you ask that question but you said

03:05:51.720 you're new but you've done you've had sex with 95 men so you're not that new like six months that's

03:05:58.540 still pretty fucking new six months six months yeah i mean is that how many is that like per week

03:06:05.200 i'm thinking of a day can somebody do the dick math for us there's sites there's like threesomes like

03:06:11.220 there's more than just like a boy girl like scene you know what i mean what's the biggest scene like

03:06:15.920 what's the most in a day um like a boy boy girl girl so like four people okay word good times good

03:06:28.060 times um did that answer your question or did you want to restate it sir i guess so is that not

03:06:34.420 like is that emotionally damaging for you like does that make you happy yeah it makes me happy like

03:06:40.400 i mean i'm not gonna say it doesn't like take a certain amount of energy out of me it's like

03:06:43.960 performing so yeah it does take energy out of me but like it's not like i sit and like

03:06:48.720 wallow in home all day or something crazy but it doesn't have like a negative effect on your

03:06:55.020 mental health like neutral no do you think that does some of your soul huh like some of your soul

03:07:02.700 what do you mean like being with that many men do you think that you kind of lose sight of like your

03:07:07.760 soul through it no i feel like men has no correlation to my soul or anything like that do you have any

03:07:16.500 like moral qualms with the porn industry or are you just part of it regardless of them

03:07:20.200 um she's a communist socialist yeah but like actually because like i mean so many people who

03:07:29.560 are in the porn industry are like actual victims of you know sex trafficking and so when people watch

03:07:34.420 porn they don't even know if they're watching someone consenting to it or not so it's very like

03:07:38.640 it's kind of one of those industries that has a lot of like evil to it so i'm just wondering do you

03:07:43.100 know about that and like do you just before i have her answer that question i want to ask the chat

03:07:47.040 feedback on this so oftentimes uh look i'm not a huge proponent of the porn industry with that said

03:07:55.440 i do invite women who are involved in porn and only fans on the show uh do you guys think that

03:08:01.240 the conversations we have and i have the chat pulled up here chat do you think that the conversations we

03:08:09.040 have on the show like do you think it's kind of played out like uh like do you think it's productive

03:08:14.880 to like have the porn bad conversation on the show because it just i feel like we it's it's never

03:08:23.540 productive it's not really related to dating and you know like it's just what's that

03:08:33.640 you know it's like look we get it it's definitely related to dating you know dead horse redundant

03:08:40.180 played out maybe i'll do a poll i'll do a poll um oh hey jay oh look speaking of okay all right

03:08:49.400 bricks and over 70 percent of genital herpes transmissions are spread without an outbreak

03:08:54.220 60 bodies equals 12 infected partners do you think this putrid creature in front of you is actually

03:09:01.000 clean hashtag vomit hashtag whoa whoa jay butler rude how dare you sir please

03:09:08.620 no i disavow i disavow i disavow jay butler as a urologist i'd expect you to have a little more

03:09:19.760 uh what's what's the word uh a little more class yeah i will not stand okay all right whatever uh all

03:09:30.660 right i don't know where we were you were saying the porn doesn't affect dating it's not part of

03:09:35.060 dating no that's not that's not what i was asking it's it's uh just like i feel like it's not even

03:09:45.300 interesting for the audience to like have a conversation with the girls like about oh porn's

03:09:50.940 bad that's basically it like so everyone agrees porn's bad is that what you're saying that it hurts

03:09:55.640 relationships and it's run by trafficking and the patriarchy okay uh we'll get to your patriarchy

03:10:03.120 comment in a little bit it's just like like having the conversation with women who are in the

03:10:08.640 industry it's just like it's kind of i view it as a bull like it's just a such a boring conversation

03:10:15.040 and it's like it's just never productive that's fair i don't think it's entertainment i think it's

03:10:21.620 only interesting because she just recently got into it was why i wanted to know her thoughts on it but

03:10:25.160 that's fair well and it's just like uh it's not really related to dating like asking somebody well

03:10:33.520 what like that's porn generally can be related to dating but like having a conversation of like

03:10:40.800 the porn's impact on the broader society is not dating related nickelodeon donated 100

03:10:47.600 the snarky smile definitely tells me she knows and probably doesn't share either this convo is a

03:10:55.180 little played out but important to know to be fair so is your world war ii argument lol the world war

03:11:02.040 ii argument will never be old first of all and i typically you know i typically go to world war one

03:11:07.340 that's my preferred war conflict to reference i'm more of a world war one guy you know the uniforms

03:11:15.120 were better um you know so okay all right moving on uh let's see here we have i think we got through

03:11:23.400 katie we have angelique hello okay you're a conservative feminist yes i mean i wouldn't

03:11:32.680 actually put them together like that but i am a conservative i am a feminist yes you are conservative

03:11:36.640 you are a feminist okay uh you uh can you explain explain how you're a feminist absolutely i'm a

03:11:46.820 feminist because i stand for equal rights for all people specifically in our current society the one

03:11:53.600 right that people do not have equally is the right to life and so i fight for the rights of all women

03:11:59.580 to be born firstly and men as well but since we're talking about women's rights specifically why firstly

03:12:04.580 women oh just because we're talking about feminism and a lot of times in modern feminism which is

03:12:09.720 not real feminism i just i don't really want to consider it feminism but for the sake of the

03:12:13.660 argument modern feminism likes to say that we're fighting for women's rights but to me i look around

03:12:19.820 in society women have the same rights as men except women have more rights than men because we have the

03:12:25.540 right to kill our own children so i'm a feminist because i stand for the original um reality of feminism

03:12:31.480 which is simply the at the very basis a legal equality between men and women and the original

03:12:38.600 purpose of feminism was simply to have like the same right to vote the same right to do basic functions

03:12:42.860 in society but not to kill our own children but you've already acknowledged that women do have

03:12:48.620 all those equalities except the right to life but how is that a feminist position because it's

03:12:55.660 equality amongst people we don't have equality amongst people right now but but women women are

03:13:02.480 capable of aborting their sons their unborn sons and daughters so i feel or like legally allowed to

03:13:09.440 what do you mean like i guess you're capable anywhere but no but you said you're you're specifically

03:13:14.960 talking about abortion about aborting uh unborn females females i specify that for the sake of the

03:13:23.040 argument that we're fighting for women's rights to choose but i'm saying women before they're born

03:13:27.980 don't even have the right to life not but why including men women women will abort but here but

03:13:35.720 i think it should be men and women it's equality i'm just confused why you seem to over that like

03:13:42.940 are i'm not just the value no the value is the same between men and women i understand i think i

03:13:47.940 understand what you're getting that i'm only specifying it for the sake of the argument that

03:13:51.840 you're a feminist yes i mean it's also it's also true that the original feminists were pro-life

03:13:57.440 and they fought against abortion and i stand for original feminism not the corrupt fake feminism of

03:14:05.240 today but if you're anti you're uh it would i would categorize your you more as a i mean abortion

03:14:14.340 doesn't even strike me as like an egalitarian or feminist or like position really does because if

03:14:19.560 you actually look at the abortion industry it is highly patriarchal most men actually profit more

03:14:27.200 and gain more from the abortion industry than women do abortion hurts women and it kills people

03:14:32.060 and men profit off of it the entire pro-abortion movement was started by men and we claim that it's

03:14:38.400 some kind of like women's right when in reality it was started by men roe v wade was decided by men

03:14:43.640 and the entire thing is so you think the abortion is men's fault it's not fault absolutely not wait

03:14:49.740 it's but it's run by it predominantly it is run by men is that because most industries are run by men

03:14:55.160 though sorry is that because most industries are predominantly run by men you could argue that

03:14:59.580 that's that's a correlation but my point is specifically about abortion being claimed as a

03:15:05.080 like feminist movement that like modern feminists are for abortion like that's just a fact

03:15:09.020 but if you actually look at the abortion industry it's not run by women

03:15:12.860 maybe check think for the 20 memberships wait so hold on you say you say you said abortion is a tool

03:15:21.120 of the patriarchy yes okay well it can be in many ways but you say abortion was i i don't have a

03:15:29.760 thorough history of abortion but uh you're saying it's something that men wanted

03:15:38.340 absolutely yeah men wanted

03:15:40.500 i'm gonna have to look into that one if you look at i actually agree with her like i don't remember

03:15:48.020 the exact facts but i remember learning about this as well it was mostly men behind the scenes pushing

03:15:52.500 the abortion movement are you saying that like it's a depopulationist movement is that what you're

03:15:57.420 getting at it's like more of a eugenics movement and that there are men who are atop of that spear

03:16:01.640 the founder of plant parenthood margaret singer was a genesis she was a racist her entire goal as she

03:16:06.780 was quoted to say is to exterminate the like undesirables um and so that was and she worked

03:16:13.260 alongside nathan bernard nathanson and he was the one who founded neral for choice america and so it's

03:16:20.160 literally a industry run by men if you look at i mean you mentioned how is it how is it an abortion

03:16:27.300 is an industry run by men how so um well you look at the reason why women get abortions and a lot of

03:16:34.540 times it's because they don't have support um to to continue their pregnancy and they think that

03:16:40.240 they're all alone in it and oftentimes men say oh you know i believe in a woman's right to choose

03:16:44.980 and therefore they take a back seat to their their own child and so women feel the need to go and seek

03:16:51.900 abortions because of that wait and so oftentimes men are using abortion as a tool to escape

03:16:56.620 responsibility isn't it i mean i would like to see the statistics on this but

03:17:00.100 isn't it the case that like it's about 50 50 pro-life pro-choice between for both men and women

03:17:07.460 statistics have proven that usually it's about 50 50 throughout throughout the time since roe v wade

03:17:13.600 but that doesn't necessarily change the fact that the industry itself i'm not talking about just

03:17:17.780 general people what industry industry of abortion and how is it so you say that's controlled by men

03:17:23.800 it's very very predominantly run by men for so who who's the primary argument so who who uh what

03:17:31.520 institution or system uh is having uh what's it called uh what's the term when you uh provide

03:17:39.560 an abortion what what's the is it planned parenthood the international planned parenthood federation yes

03:17:45.120 okay they're all over the entire world is that so you're saying that's primary i mean i don't know

03:17:50.100 what the like the the uh c-suite looks like for planned parenthood but i mean it occurs to me

03:17:55.540 that's that's probably a very female heavy organization it's a multi-billion dollar non-profit

03:18:01.180 and it was founded by the entire movement of the pro pro pro-choice movement early around the time

03:18:08.360 of roe v wade and it was founded by men so you're saying because the founders are men that's why it's

03:18:13.660 you can take the feminist position it's not just the foundation of like neral being founded by men

03:18:18.820 it's the idea that in our current society if you look at like sex trafficking for example the amount

03:18:25.040 the amount of predators who go into planned parenthoods with their like 14 year old victim

03:18:29.060 and they've gotten them pregnant they go in there and there are in many places no need to have any kind

03:18:35.920 of like determination if the person they're with is their parent there's no parental consent or

03:18:40.020 notification and so men are going in predators of these children and having getting them abortions

03:18:45.840 to hide the abuse that they're giving so yeah i mean wait do you think wait so you're saying

03:18:50.560 do you think that's the case for most abortions it's not most but it happens the fact that it

03:18:57.140 happens should be acknowledged no but you're you're using an exceptional scenario to that's one example of

03:19:03.720 of the fact that it's it's a very patriarchal concept

03:19:06.620 it's also the idea that the modern feminism your logic is not sound on that but okay the modern

03:19:13.640 feminism believes that in order to be equal to men we have to have the right to kill our own children

03:19:18.360 and that is simply not true okay so you're not a modern feminist then correct but you're i'm looking

03:19:23.660 at planned parenthood on here and it it says that it was founded by margaret singer yes a woman and look

03:19:29.660 up nara in some ways has even more influence i see the predecessor was the american birth control

03:19:36.560 league and i'll look at that which was nathanson also founded by margaret margaret sanger i'm not

03:19:42.860 became pro-life afterwards and he showed a video of what an abortion is and he changed millions of

03:19:47.900 people's views this is start this is getting into apex fallacy territory a little bit or wait uh is it

03:19:52.940 you're you're looking at the behavior of one singular individual and sort of uh i mean what's

03:20:00.080 that organization called neral yeah so your your argument is is because there is one man who was

03:20:05.840 involved in it's not my argument you're saying that it's it's dominated by it's a it's something

03:20:11.740 that's dominated by men and men sort of profit from it but wouldn't you wouldn't you also say that

03:20:15.460 that's the case with most industries and generally when there's money being made and when it's a big

03:20:19.440 industrial because abortion is basically an industrial complex wouldn't you say that for

03:20:22.840 for the most part men are going to dominate these industries um i think it depends on the industry

03:20:26.840 i can definitely we can have a conversation about the beauty industry and have a whole conversation

03:20:30.200 about that too and i would sure but i mean the vast majority of industries will be run by men right

03:20:33.740 it's used to control the idea of like what women how women see themselves and i think this is kind of

03:20:37.660 no different in a sense but my point is that it's the concept of women have been convinced to believe

03:20:43.780 that in order to be equal to men they have to kill their own children and who is purporting this idea

03:20:48.460 but like if you look at the the marches that happen the vast majority of the people who are

03:20:53.560 protesting for abortion and the vast majority of people who are in favor of abortion and will die

03:20:58.320 on that hill are women so you can look at the very top and you can say there's the problem or you can

03:21:02.620 look at everybody else i mean all the protests statistically more women are pro-choice yeah all

03:21:07.960 the protests i've ever been to either the pro-abortion side were paid for to be there and they're just

03:21:12.500 random people who didn't actually care or it was both men and women do you think it's a very

03:21:16.600 the men were telling me no uterus no opinion to my face and i was like so you think that more men

03:21:20.980 are protesting for abortion than women i don't think that that's an accurate like example of

03:21:25.420 whether or not abortion as a whole and whether i show up to a protest and somebody's there and he

03:21:29.420 happens to be a man so if you look at like a big protest with say 10 000 people all wearing their

03:21:33.860 wearing their pussy hats you don't think that that's a good a good representation of who

03:21:37.200 is i don't think that's a good example because if you go to a beauty event and let's say hypothetically

03:21:41.660 the beauty industry is run by men you think a bunch of men are going to show up it's a behind the scenes

03:21:45.360 concept that's why i mentioned it sounds like a conspiracy theory it's the reason why i mentioned

03:21:50.220 the abusers coming into planned parenthood and bringing these young girls who are victims of

03:21:54.260 their crimes and hiding that that's that crime why is sex trafficking like modern day slavery yeah i'd

03:22:00.100 say sex trafficking is probably a different issue though to the issue of like why why being anti-abortion

03:22:06.120 is necessarily a feminist issue it's connected though because you can hide abuse if you have

03:22:10.720 abortion yeah i would say that's that's an aspect of it that is obviously absolutely horrible and

03:22:14.680 yeah i would agree with you there however your your position though is that you're a feminist

03:22:18.900 because of this abortion industry that is supposedly patriarchal i'm not just a feminist because of

03:22:23.840 that the primary primary reason why i'm a feminist besides the fact that i grew with early

03:22:28.000 feminism and my right to vote the right to be here right now and have my own like non-profit

03:22:31.440 is because it is also because i'm a feminist because we should stand for equal rights for all

03:22:36.880 people and women don't have the right to life women don't have the right to life wait but

03:22:41.400 men don't have the right to life either i just said that i just said but how is it a feminist

03:22:46.960 men don't have the right to life equality would be so it occurs genders having the right to life

03:22:51.340 position is you care more about uh female fetuses than male fetuses so then you're but then you're

03:22:57.540 not it's not a feminist position it's a pro-life you're pro-life you don't understand you don't

03:23:02.420 understand the point i'm making no because you're not either you're not articulate articulating it

03:23:06.940 very well or it's just equality equal equality among both sexes would be both being having the

03:23:11.860 right to life so are you arguing that that women have less of a right to life than men i'm arguing

03:23:19.140 that women have more rights than men right now which is not feminist and i'm a feminist because i

03:23:24.940 don't think women should have more rights than men they shouldn't have the right to kill other

03:23:28.780 people it's it's really straightforward actually no but then that oh so you want to walk back

03:23:34.820 i think i sort of see what you say you're an original you you call yourself like an original

03:23:38.620 sort of first wave feminist if you will and you you don't necessarily think that women don't have

03:23:43.020 the rights like you would agree that they achieve their means their first their first yeah i think

03:23:47.320 i see what you're saying yeah i believe we're literally people people yeah yeah but i think that

03:23:51.340 just the abortion thing is um not necessarily a feminist vision this is a pro-life position because you

03:23:56.860 believe in pro-life for both i think i tell me correct me if i'm wrong here okay so you think

03:24:01.980 that women when it comes to abortion they have a right that men don't have correct which is not

03:24:07.680 equality therefore you want to walk back women's abortion rights to create equality aka true while

03:24:14.440 true equality and that would be a feminist position yes but you also have to mention the fact

03:24:19.700 that i believe both people should have equal right to life which is the fundamental purpose of not

03:24:23.360 allowing women to kill people per law position yeah okay all right uh let's define our terms here

03:24:29.180 a little bit um you mentioned patriarchy what is the patriarchy i say this is the patriarchy in the

03:24:36.900 sense that abortion is an industry that has been predominantly run by men um what evidence do you

03:24:42.640 have for that i mean you can look at the statistics on if you go to trafficking predators on the people

03:24:48.160 who founded the movements and on the people who are on the court on roe v wood that's what i mean

03:24:53.420 when i say that it's not a conspiracy it's a fact but okay you say that it's an industry that is run by

03:25:00.780 men but if you walk into uh i mean can we find the topic can you find the c-suite for planned

03:25:08.180 parenthood who are the executives i want i want to know the board i want to know the executives for

03:25:15.720 planned parenthood industry not the board of planned parenthood what industry the industry

03:25:20.500 of abortion which and would you are would you agree with me that planned parenthood is like

03:25:25.820 probably the number one yes i was the one who said that but that doesn't mean that the board

03:25:29.220 necessarily reflects the fact that the industry of abortion uses has men using women and leaving

03:25:35.980 responsibility for their child and using abortion as a tool for their own gain that's what i'm talking

03:25:40.580 about by patriarchy okay do you think that women use it as a tool for their own gain absolutely so

03:25:46.620 why is it patriarchal it's it's primarily patriarchal in the sense that a lot of women have become victims

03:25:51.740 to the idea that they they don't actually understand what they're doing with abortion

03:25:55.360 and so a lot of times you think that the the men do understand the women don't uh wait no but a lot

03:26:00.880 of times men don't care to find out just like women don't and they use it anyway so you're saying

03:26:05.520 that there's not a moral there's no moral equivalence there the men are worse in this

03:26:09.960 situation than the women because then a feminist position would be to try and like

03:26:13.980 grid one motorsports donated one hundred dollars patriarchy supports and values women more men are

03:26:23.540 pro-life than women accuracy matters feminism in all forms has failed you how can the patriarchy

03:26:31.040 help you today okay we'll we'll put a pause on this conversation uh so wait what are you upset

03:26:38.020 at the conversation or what's up no i just think it's like i don't know kind of like redundant i

03:26:42.780 feel like we're kind of just talking about the same thing over and over which is like fine but it's

03:26:47.700 like you need to speak into the mic please can you scoot into the table a little bit

03:26:50.880 like i mean i don't agree with what's being said but it's not like it's making me upset it's just like

03:26:57.320 i don't know how to say it and like not a rude way it's like we're sitting here talking about the

03:27:02.320 same thing for like hours do you have like a response to it do you have no stop stop don't

03:27:06.860 try to engage her okay in the conversation which she's about to leave for okay so i'll get through

03:27:12.480 your notes here you you're a liberal correct yeah you do you consider yourself a feminist yeah okay

03:27:18.880 uh did you say how many total scenes you've done for i don't have like an approximate number okay

03:27:27.260 but okay i believe on your instagram you describe yourself as a cult leader is that correct

03:27:34.520 so that's like a joke i guess because i have like a darker aesthetic but i think i would be like a really

03:27:41.440 good cult leader you think so yeah i think i like can be captivating enough to get people to listen to

03:27:49.480 me um i mean you did a pretty poor job arguing the case for communism yeah i was like under pressure

03:27:56.500 too which i felt like you know what i mean yeah cult leader should be able to be cool under pressure

03:28:01.800 and be able to we're working you should have if you're a cult leader you should have been able to

03:28:05.760 convince me to communism but uh you also say this is on your instagram right that you're a soul

03:28:11.480 leader is that correct no it's on my twitter oh twitter excuse me what is a soul leader what does

03:28:15.820 that mean i suck really good ween like dick can i say that excuse me uh okay um that's not what i

03:28:29.020 is that what you mean by soul leader okay that's uh that's fucking disgusting oh okay uh you're you're

03:28:40.540 an x-rated philanthropist also on your twitter we talked a bit about your charitable givings although

03:28:46.560 you were unable to name the charities to which you uh donate to have you been able to come up with a

03:28:54.040 or you you paid you gave your homie like 100 bucks to cover some fucking plan b pills is that

03:29:05.660 is that your philanthropy no okay that's all of that is like kind of like a joke like my twitter bio

03:29:13.360 because they're like i don't know it goes with my aesthetic but like philanthropist is kind of like

03:29:17.380 a joke that a lot of like adult industry people say that's their job is their philanthropist it's like

03:29:23.080 oh oh you're joking okay you're being facetious okay into that what do you mean what's leaning into

03:29:28.280 what it's like um because you yeah because it's like produce nude content is that yeah you're doing

03:29:34.920 a service to the people of the world with your what did you say dick sucking or whatever what was it

03:29:41.020 yeah okay okay um so i did take a look at your your twitter um or one question do you want to get

03:29:47.840 married one day yeah do you want to have kids yeah okay uh okay uh look

03:29:56.940 i looked at your twitter yeah i gotta be honest the shit that's on there

03:30:05.860 i saw you eating a dude's ass yeah i gotta be listen you're an attractive girl you're a little

03:30:17.060 perhaps a little misguided on the whole communism thing but hey you know listen you're you're 20

03:30:22.440 you'll grow out of it you know you'll grow out of it right jake here will fix you um you good jake okay

03:30:28.740 uh if you show the video if you were to show your twitter feed to your dating prospects

03:30:38.860 that's gonna be a fucking no-go for like 90 of dudes dating wise any thoughts on that i don't

03:30:46.800 really give a fuck i guess like i mean if i gave like a shit about other people's opinions i probably

03:30:51.800 wouldn't do what i do fair fair but do you do you do you agree with me in the sense that

03:30:58.060 like probably 90 of dudes are gonna check out from pursuing you based off of yeah but i have

03:31:05.240 no issue dating i mean okay and i haven't ran into any issues yet so okay like i'm cool okay uh we do

03:31:12.760 have a photo nick i pulled up i think i pulled up a photo she's posing this is the one we can show you

03:31:20.500 oh my god i thought it was gonna be this is we can't this is the one we can should nick did i pull

03:31:24.180 it up i'm scared it's really not that bad but if you go to her twitter and look okay oh my god

03:31:31.420 she so this is yeah that's her so this is the man whose ass i saw you eating yeah jesus i can't

03:31:37.920 believe i'm even saying that i apologize to our uh earmuffs for the fucking you know the the youth

03:31:44.140 out there it's where your g-spot is you know i'm doing him a service word um hunter donated one

03:31:53.080 hundred dollars this is dumb no competition at tiny da for no f is way better than her twitter okay

03:32:00.040 okay thank you hunter um

03:32:03.200 a dude see like i couldn't show the the videos the photos of you with him but the ones with him

03:32:12.820 that was for a better site so 90 you can't like bro you've i feel like you've closed the door

03:32:19.780 on 90 of dudes that's totally cool okay all right that's fine uh you said after high school before you

03:32:27.520 started mainstream porn you ended up sleeping with a science teacher that you had in high school

03:32:33.540 yeah i did i used to be i talked about in my first like porn interview too

03:32:37.840 okay somewhere on the internet now this was after high school right you weren't yeah okay i mean

03:32:42.800 still not i would not not uh co-signing that but uh nick uh so okay how did oh how did you guys meet

03:32:55.940 oh my god okay i'm i was friends with like his daughter but then i ended up having him like in

03:33:03.880 science class and then he was like flirting with me but i was like in science class i'm not saying

03:33:10.540 anything no but when i when i say how did you guys when i say you got how did you guys meet i mean

03:33:15.380 like how did you meet again because you said you met again after high school like i live in like or

03:33:20.740 like i came from like a really small ass fucking town so like everybody like spoke to each other

03:33:25.440 everybody knew everybody's business so like it wasn't really hard okay and it just kind of happened

03:33:30.420 like i don't know well but like okay how long after high school did you guys

03:33:34.000 this is a year after two years after well you're 20 right so this is pretty recent is this your

03:33:41.160 current boyfriend you said you've been in a relationship for three months no what kind of

03:33:46.140 science chemistry no it was biology but okay um biological i'm trying to think

03:33:55.840 yeah it was like i had like my first boyfriend ever and then we broke up kind of like a year

03:34:03.200 after we started yeah so it was like probably like a year ago like year and a half change the split

03:34:08.680 um you met him a year and a half ago but okay like yeah like we hooked up like did you meet him on a

03:34:16.320 dating app how did you connect after high school hunter donated 100 anyone else see brian's tent under

03:34:24.880 the desk he's really liking this conversation yeah thank you hunter appreciate it uh come here

03:34:32.900 everybody sees everybody like you run into somebody at the fucking walmart okay but so it's whatever

03:34:40.720 you know was it like a month after graduation no i had a i had like a relationship like my last

03:34:47.900 little bit okay so you graduate high school into college and then once me uh my first boyfriend broke

03:34:54.760 up like then i went back to my little hometown and i just kind of okay so you graduated high school

03:35:01.080 how long after graduating high school did you have sex with your high school it was like a year and a

03:35:06.060 half like okay how did you meet him again like i ran into him again where on a dating app no no like

03:35:15.260 it was literally like food city or something like and then we like chatted whatever and then we started

03:35:20.620 like messaging online like through like social media he messaged you or you messaged him he messaged me

03:35:25.980 okay and it was like was it a one-time thing or you guys were it was like a few-time thing a few-time

03:35:32.100 thing is he married yes he has a daughter how old was he wait i don't know exactly how old he is

03:35:39.320 40s 50s yeah around about okay wait this is too personal you said he was flirting with you don't

03:35:46.380 have to answer it you said he was flirting with you while you were a student do you i cannot answer

03:35:51.120 that is a yikes okay uh so do you not feel like guilty about that sleeping with a married man

03:35:59.100 no wait he was he was married while you were

03:36:02.260 okay why not a lot of it's not a lot of damage tonight okay all right uh you said the divorce

03:36:14.060 rate you said divorce rates wouldn't be so high in america if more people experimented and found

03:36:18.580 out what they actually liked what do you mean yeah like i feel like most people aren't monogamous

03:36:22.660 that's not to say there aren't monogamous people but i feel like most people probably are like

03:36:26.680 interested in seeing more more than one person at once so i feel like i don't know if more people

03:36:34.800 i guess were poly like they had like multiple like suitors okay that there probably wouldn't be like

03:36:42.480 such a high divorce rate like you have a wife and like a girlfriend and it was like spoken about

03:36:47.020 and obviously not something that was like behind closed doors or like shady or anything you know what

03:36:50.860 i mean it was like accepted so you're you do you you said you're in a relationship right now is it

03:36:55.560 poly is it open um outside my work no it's monogamous it's monogamous yeah okay does your boyfriend you

03:37:03.820 said you this guy you've been seeing it's been three months correct but you shoot porn scenes with

03:37:10.180 other men yeah he doesn't your boyfriend doesn't have any issues with it no no issues no and i mean if

03:37:18.180 he did at some point in the future i mean we could talk about opening our relationship up but it's not

03:37:23.040 what if he wanted you to stop then we could talk about that privately okay i question any man that's

03:37:30.980 okay with his girlfriend having sexual intercourse with other men for any reason okay that's just like

03:37:40.400 i i don't know is he a cuck no i'm not saying that to be insulting but like it apollo shanada

03:37:47.320 donated 100 hey apollo shanada you changed your name thank you but pls bring this show on the road

03:37:53.800 as always madison is the only nine in the room quite a divided room tonight on the panel

03:38:00.240 yes very divided apollo shanada thank you man good to see you in the chat you changed your name though

03:38:08.800 i thought it was shanada not show shanada appreciate it man uh wait okay so and that's

03:38:15.220 oh we got oh hunter donated 100 this fucking gusting i would rather eat my own shit i mean no

03:38:23.640 one's stopping you from doing that all right hunter uh okay wait so uh yeah i mean i feel like it meets

03:38:34.220 the definition of being a cuck if you are cool with your girlfriend having sex with other men

03:38:41.640 right i think no it's like a job what you know i mean it's like any other job i don't know if it's

03:38:49.280 any like any other job but you're still having sex yeah yeah you're still having sex with other men

03:38:54.840 so even though it's like but i mean cool but like he's not a cuck do you do any scenes where like

03:39:02.420 you get i mean earmuffs for the for the virgins over earmuffs guys earmuffs for the for the three

03:39:09.060 virgin women over here uh do you do like scenes where other where men come inside of you yep

03:39:16.560 and then do you go home and have sex with there's a shower in between there

03:39:22.720 but it's like still there that's that's shit it can take a couple days to uh you know you douche

03:39:30.920 it out like what but it's like still there like the remnants like they're still swimming in there

03:39:36.140 they're they are they're swimming around wait that's cool question question

03:39:41.840 have you shot a scene with a guy and then that same day had sex with your boyfriend

03:39:49.240 and he's okay with that i got hold up wait with them swimming in you or without them swimming in

03:39:54.880 you that's an asteroid boys either we send the asteroid for that one oh my god wow asteroid sent um

03:40:03.440 has there ever been a time where you like the sex from a scene was so intense that maybe

03:40:11.660 you're in a bit of pain and you didn't want to have sex with your boyfriend because of the sex

03:40:16.400 that you had at your job yeah okay that deserves a funny miss or a missile a nuclear missile oh there's

03:40:25.060 the nuke okay sorry hold on the the nuke is currently going off we have nuked the whatever podcast what's

03:40:34.640 your question um so you said you filmed a scene where you have had a man let it out within

03:40:41.400 you yeah you go home to your man and he does it again is there this may come across really

03:40:48.480 offensive and i i apologize is he bisexual or gay by any like not gay but like maybe bisexual at all

03:40:56.460 does he go down on you your boyfriend after that okay he's bisexual no he's not he's gotta be there's

03:41:04.560 no way but like that's not the as a man as a man putting your face down there and having another

03:41:11.200 man's come swim around and go all over the place in between your teeth and the tongue like that's

03:41:16.920 it's not like flowing out of my vagina like but it's there and it's in his mouth it's just not how it

03:41:23.140 works there's residue there's residue it's uh sick okay all right like there's nothing wrong with

03:41:30.880 being gay i'm just saying like that he's not there's nothing wrong i mean i mean then you

03:41:35.440 would be also bisexual because you let your man cheat on you like then the same thing like do you

03:41:40.980 identify she might be bi you know what i i think she's bi i guess you may have a point i mean bro

03:41:47.100 there's i there's videos of you making out with chicks so you're bi but i mean like you know i mean

03:41:51.300 it's yeah maybe but i mean i i think that's i think that's a little gay that's just i mean you

03:41:58.020 can feel that way she feels that way all right um oh look at that we got a problem oh he fixed his

03:42:03.640 name 100 dollars i'd cow this dumb donation system accepted my typo but whatever thank you ryan if

03:42:10.640 you're running out of girls there in the lost lands come to austin sixth street girl fights and

03:42:17.080 girls are pretty real dude it'd be dope to uh go to texas to uh do a couple episodes in texas the

03:42:24.740 thing is i'd like i need we have such a robust studio set up here it's not really mobile i have a spot

03:42:31.780 there you could use appreciate it yo grid one motorsports gotta be honest the one question a man

03:42:36.760 never wants another man to be able to ask is how does my blank taste may christ have mercy on your

03:42:43.820 soul because i cannot find any abdul you know what to do get the rocks yeah abdul yeah get the rock get

03:42:51.160 the rocks okay um do you like accept cheating in your relationship like are you okay with it

03:42:59.880 do you think that i mean if we were to get to a point where he would have an issue with me shooting

03:43:05.160 then maybe we could open our relationship up but like cheating is another thing but do you not

03:43:09.620 consider what you're doing cheating on him no neither does he which is fine what do you define

03:43:14.440 as cheating like he knew before we got into a relationship what i did i was very transparent

03:43:20.020 with that no i'm asking like what do you consider cheating in a relationship if like he were to i

03:43:25.340 don't know if it's cheating behind my back no in her defense i'm not sure if it's cheating is he a

03:43:29.740 cuck well you're having no how many times i have to answer that he's not a cuck he's not gay i'm not

03:43:35.080 cheating on him he doesn't feel like i'm cheating on i don't think it's cheating but it's like it's

03:43:39.400 a major l for him to accept the the circumstances um wait so hold on would you be upset if he wanted

03:43:47.040 to start an only fans and start fucking other women no okay you wouldn't mind okay we've had

03:43:51.260 the girl on the show she does porn but she was like no my my man could not do what i do basically

03:43:57.140 um okay so what else we have uh you think the divorce rates wouldn't be so high if

03:44:02.440 yeah we talked about that you're kind of in favor of polyamory um i feel like you can no

03:44:08.840 pigeonhole men and women into fitting into a certain box and also don't agree that body count matters i

03:44:14.400 think we talked about the whole body count yeah that kind of goes with the pigeonholing thing like

03:44:19.660 trying to make every woman like fit into this one box of like what would be like a high value woman

03:44:24.420 or like this purity shit like i just don't agree with it that's all don't agree with what

03:44:29.820 like purity culture whatever i mean it's not like i care about it like live your truth you know

03:44:35.760 what i mean but like i just don't agree with it okay

03:44:39.640 do you think it benefits you to do what you do like it's better than if you didn't do it yeah why

03:44:47.960 i have more disposable income i have more freedom i have a lot like i can like own things at a very

03:44:57.160 young age also it's like i feel like purity culture also really benefits men that's not to

03:45:02.140 say what i do doesn't in a way but like i feel like the whole surrounding thing it puts like this

03:45:07.260 weighing like pressure on women and like trying to like value them by something where it's like

03:45:13.100 being promiscuous like it's more on my accord do you think that if you found a man who valued it

03:45:18.600 for himself as well it wouldn't be as hypocritical because you you're saying it's like hypocritical

03:45:22.760 right for a man to be like oh women's values based on like whether they've had they've been

03:45:26.640 i mean they can live that like a man or a woman sit your blank back down daff and bark

03:45:32.200 okay so primarily it's for money though that's what you're saying like you you like being able

03:45:36.840 to buy things and have like the freedom to buy things yeah and i also like the flexibility of

03:45:41.040 my schedule like i also like being able to like express myself like i like being sexual and like also

03:45:49.860 pleasing other people so it's like fulfilling

03:45:52.580 oh hold on let me apollo shinoda donated one hundred dollars don't care how many times she

03:46:03.180 says it blondie batman eyeliner girl's boyfriend is a beta cuck absolutely sickening okay do you have

03:46:11.400 a response to apollo shinoda i i don't really care like i don't know uh okay we have jrod coming in

03:46:18.960 here in just a sec here guys uh apollo shinoda thank you very much for your patronage guys guys

03:46:24.460 twitch.tv slash whatever drops the follow drops the prime time uh whatever clips oh there's jrod

03:46:28.520 hold on bring it back uh man woman cheat different reasons biology sociology sure male cheaters

03:46:33.860 aren't men but weak selfish boys sexually obese do you mean up to or narcissist wreck you but believe

03:46:42.120 they love you moment of weakness skip jim what's that thing from like the office what who's the

03:46:48.960 chubby guy on the office kevin kevin he's like why say many word when few words do trick or something

03:46:55.500 like that yeah thank you jrod appreciate it um guys twitch.tv slash whatever drops the follow

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03:47:13.380 us drop us a little sub if you can in the chat okay thank you sir uh okay where were we i think we're

03:47:20.340 just dogpiling you basically how's that been going for you yeah i don't i don't know i don't care i do

03:47:26.480 want to at least give you credit i feel like you know you came in with some hot takes yeah yes you said

03:47:33.800 some dissenting opinions so i give you credit for uh for um what's called you know being a good sport

03:47:43.320 being a good sport yeah it's you know normally i try to stack the panels where it's more like

03:47:49.640 people who disagree with me well there's people who disagree with me here but uh good for you for

03:47:56.120 being willing to have a debate and subjecting yourself to jay butler okay i don't know if he's still

03:48:03.340 watching but uh okay let's see are there any more notes with you venus vixen i feel like i had

03:48:12.320 something but uh uh trying to see uh okay you should stay for the whole show though that'd be very rude

03:48:21.740 if you were to leave are you sad are you satisfied with the attention you've received i've given you

03:48:29.180 like 20 minutes of undivided attention i know it's hard i know tiktok has melted not your brain in

03:48:36.380 specific but you know the brains of generation z and it's difficult to you know brain rot you know

03:48:42.740 the that whole thing so

03:48:44.440 let's get her an energy drink do you want an energy drink i think that would definitely help you like

03:48:51.120 an energy drink let's get her an energy drink what do we got some applesauce get her a fucking

03:48:54.760 applesauce get her an applesauce bender the offender donated 100 she wants an applesauce too

03:49:00.940 she keeps you get an applesauce you get an applesauce just like the southern border right now

03:49:05.760 you get an applesauce do we have any

03:49:08.480 we got ricola would you like a ricola what is that it's you know it's like a cough drop

03:49:16.860 i'm gonna have to pass on the cough you're passing on the cough drop okay

03:49:21.160 keeps her lungs on just like the southern border right now i'll speed bender the offender what the

03:49:26.960 here's a dating related question would you date an illegal immigrant

03:49:31.860 no wouldn't you be taking them well yeah taking them what

03:49:37.380 isn't it like you're like if you kill someone and then you're running from the police and then you go

03:49:44.860 stay at another person's house what is the word isn't there a word aiding in the bedding

03:49:48.820 maybe wouldn't it be something along those lines like if you're dating another word for it i know

03:49:53.300 what you're like aiding like what's asylum or like you're an accessory to accessory yeah to

03:50:02.500 immigration there's another word there's another word though wait what's the other word so aiding

03:50:07.980 in the bedding accessory accomplice accomplice maybe to illegal immigrants uh accessory accomplice

03:50:13.920 complicit harboring a fugitive yeah all of those things right there no i wouldn't uh going around

03:50:21.560 the table would you date an illegal immigrant no no no sure okay no yeah now you know what i think

03:50:33.460 i'm in favor of um illegal immigration for women between the ages of 18 and 29 preferably pole vaulters

03:50:47.320 uh gymnasts preferably from asian and eastern european countries um i'm in favor you know it's

03:50:57.680 unfortunate we don't have more of that type of illegal immigrant that's a fair point you've got

03:51:06.140 a lot of immigrants around a lot of different places around the world from ukraine and russia

03:51:09.740 at the moment go to thailand you can see many of them oh also israel too i want to talk about um

03:51:16.220 and maybe maybe another time but uh what the yeah really what is are we losing our country

03:51:23.580 i don't know i think so yes i think yes we need borders don't we i can't just oh build the wall i

03:51:32.880 want to go i want to go to move i'll never be able to i can't become japanese i don't think i can't go

03:51:39.480 to japan oh huh what if i want to move to japan i can't just arrive and just stay there i'll get

03:51:49.200 deported yeah never go to the country has borders what if i want to i can't just become japanese

03:51:56.560 what if i want to go i want to move to norway so i can benefit from their robust social security

03:52:07.740 social safety net i rather um

03:52:10.940 i can't donated 100 dollars deaf barking good girl where is the leash lull two panels in a row

03:52:21.400 with animal girls my leash and collar at home i'm sorry i left them and i i don't know i feel like

03:52:28.160 this is kind of a conservative panel so i don't know if it but it's to me it occurs like if you

03:52:32.740 it's interesting like if we any of us were to go to some other country and we overstayed our visa or

03:52:40.560 whatever we would be deported and nobody would nobody in that country would object to our deportation

03:52:47.320 because we overstayed our our visa or that we even crossed the border legally but for some reason when

03:52:54.020 it comes to the united states somehow it's wrong to insist that people immigrate here legally or that

03:53:02.300 we have a strong border yeah it's pretty what's going on are we losing our country yes pretty fast

03:53:08.980 yeah i'm scared for the future i'm scared for the future might have to annex canada thank you

03:53:15.480 i think we're gonna annex we're gonna um i'm from canada and i'm on board with that yeah they need

03:53:22.440 new leadership hey yeah i want to oh yeah anyways i think everyone canada hates dustin trudeau yeah

03:53:27.040 back to dating okay who do we have here we have uh oh we got daphne so daphne in your pre-show

03:53:34.160 notes here you said that you're conservative correct yes and you are traditional i'd consider

03:53:42.500 that i have myself that i have a traditional mindset i think yes okay you do only fans correct

03:53:47.520 yes i do what kind of content do you do on only fans i do solo content have you done any boy girl

03:53:53.140 content okay i suppose that helps your case a little bit but uh before okay you have a couple

03:54:00.580 things here uh wait wait hold on

03:54:07.780 oh you sit you consider yourself extremely traditional i mean i think i would yes i think

03:54:18.820 all the things that i believe in that my values are pretty traditional i know that i do only fans

03:54:25.480 and that is not traditional but i feel like that's the one thing that i do that is bad what do you think

03:54:31.760 is like the essence of a traditional conservative woman well i'm from the south so i grew up in a

03:54:37.560 traditional family um manners i think i know my role as a woman a traditional role as a woman

03:54:44.880 and i have expectations for a man to have a traditional role as a man in a relationship

03:54:50.700 so cooking cleaning being rather feminine in your temperament you'd say i would say i'm very

03:54:57.480 feminine i try and control you know that and uh very submissive however do you think that uh

03:55:05.360 the um being on only fans and dressing as a cat and wolfing for people is an automatic disqualify

03:55:11.500 do you think that that is something that makes you automatically not conservative anymore

03:55:15.080 um i think it's definitely weird i think it is not traditional but i'm not perfect and i don't

03:55:21.160 think anyone is perfect and do you think it's a rather sort of um it's a rather dominant aspect of

03:55:27.360 who you are hunter donated 100 you can be traditional and not be perfect i am a child of christ or a christian

03:55:37.100 i am not perfect that doesn't exclude me from being christian they aren't mutually exclusive

03:55:42.860 by any means i mean if the if the book says don't do x and you do x i mean yeah you can you can be

03:55:52.980 forgiven people can repent and everything but it just kind of depends if you continue to do it

03:55:58.140 yeah even though you know that it's not even though you know that it's wrong yeah that is that

03:56:02.140 is pretty tricky um wait nick can you pull up her instagram for me please oh he has it ready

03:56:09.360 uh go to the reels just switch over to the reels they're pretty weird uh scroll down

03:56:15.920 okay scroll up a bit yeah it's a little uh go to her tagged too go over to her tag tell me pull it

03:56:25.800 back up when you're at her tagged traditional by the way okay scroll down scroll down scroll down

03:56:33.360 scroll down uh that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes uh

03:56:40.900 this is not exactly the epitome of traditional but you claim to be extremely traditional how do you

03:56:48.820 reconcile having your the photos you've taken the videos you've taken doing only fans producing

03:56:55.740 pornographic content uh making out with women how do you reconcile being extremely traditional

03:57:02.760 um i wouldn't necessarily make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all

03:57:09.200 um i wouldn't consider it a mistake but i would consider it something that i have learned to not do i was kind

03:57:16.480 of confused at the time and i was having fun i know it sounds like a bs excuse but i think with

03:57:23.660 trial and error and you know the best lessons are always learned the hard way and i think that i am

03:57:31.320 growing as a person every day i pray i try and get closer to the lord and i think that yes i have made

03:57:36.800 mistakes in the past yes it's i'm not no i'm not pandering i'm trying to answer your question to the

03:57:43.220 best of my ability so i apologize if but you say you're trying to do better right but i mean i still

03:57:48.200 see those so one component of traditionalism is modesty but i mean you're not no go up nick i mean

03:57:56.480 the the i mean those reels i mean it's like yeah you you have a photo with your legs up in the i don't

03:58:04.080 even think can we even we we showed it earlier like you there's a photo it's like point looking right

03:58:11.760 down main street uh yeah yes it is like

03:58:15.120 it doesn't compute i understand that i and they're still up online yeah a problem shenoda donated 100

03:58:26.760 dollars question for the of panel members would you retain a sugar daddy who told you he was anti-american

03:58:33.240 and was a financial supporter of groups that actually want to destroy your profession

03:58:37.760 what i don't want a sugar daddy would you retain a sugar daddy i mean what about you

03:58:50.560 if i want a sugar daddy oh other of girls so like who's anti-american you might actually yeah like

03:58:58.380 that oh are you anti-american that's really broad like i don't know what you mean like america

03:59:05.340 are you anti-american i mean if i was taking his money i'd be happy to take anybody's money but

03:59:10.380 are you anti-american potentially i could be i don't know we need to i'm filling it out

03:59:15.960 we're gonna we're gonna deport you to we're gonna rob to cuba

03:59:20.580 is venezuela communist or is it socialist it's socialist yeah i don't know um okay good times uh

03:59:29.420 so okay how do you reconcile your claims of being extremely traditional and then you said

03:59:36.400 something about jesus christ too it's not it's not that you're just traditional you're also

03:59:40.420 uh christian i believe in jesus christ i follow jesus not necessarily a religion okay um hold on what does

03:59:53.700 that mean wait hold on what i mean i actually so you're an atheist for no jesus is that a thing

04:00:00.020 i think that's a thing no i am not an atheist who is john gault donated 100 can we go around the

04:00:07.240 room and ask if they will vote for trump or biden and briefly explain why

04:00:11.260 actually fuck it let's just do it now uh while it's okay trump or biden why trump and why yeah

04:00:19.620 uh everything was better when he was in office biden is an incompetent idiot

04:00:24.100 that's beautiful what about you um neither neither you're more of a kanye gal no vote for kanye okay

04:00:33.440 what about you i think votes are personal but i wouldn't vote for biden okay what about you can i pass

04:00:42.120 i feel like deeply afraid of this question do it do it i don't know i don't know

04:00:48.620 do it no shia no do it shia stop it don't dreams

04:00:55.740 yesterday you said tomorrow so just do it make your dreams untrue

04:01:03.720 nickelodeon donated 100 dollars thank you surprise surprise the communist wants to take everyone else's

04:01:11.240 money and keep it all for themselves oh the irony i'm not taking anyone's money like i'm not pulling

04:01:18.500 it out of their pocket they're putting it in my fucking hands capitalism is beautiful like that

04:01:22.740 so is it biden just say it's biden that's okay no one's gonna hate you uh i really i don't

04:01:29.840 that's it's not for you guys it's more about about like everyone else in life who's i feel like

04:01:35.840 people get psycho over this if you don't want to answer that's totally fine what about you

04:01:38.880 neither neither correct but hold on but okay all right neither of them are pro-life and i only

04:01:48.640 vote for anti-abortion i thought trump was he's not he's not well he might not be uh he's not like

04:01:55.680 staunch pro-life he sort of like tries to tries to appease both sides yeah yeah which means you're

04:02:00.140 not pro-life you either believe it's killing a person or you don't there's no such thing as

04:02:03.060 middle ground well it's probably for him it's probably like since he's republican it would be

04:02:08.500 expedient for him to be pro-life so if if it was politically expedient for him to further

04:02:14.740 uh pro-life uh positions or uh the pro-life uh causes then he's probably better for you than you

04:02:23.760 would think that but he literally said to the republicans who voted to make abortion illegal

04:02:28.820 earlier that they were being dumb for doing that so he's not pro-life did you see that recently yeah

04:02:32.720 pretty recently he might he might well he's the kind of guy though who kind of does things like

04:02:37.420 brian said to be politically expedient though yeah and when it comes to life and death you can't be

04:02:40.760 like wishy-washy about that so okay it's gonna be hard though to find someone because like first of

04:02:44.400 all like they probably won't get elected because that much of a contentious issue if they're really

04:02:48.260 super duper like pro-life so maybe they'd want to just sort of say they're not and then sneak it in

04:02:53.620 after well i think for the republicans it's you can be pro-life yeah none of them do that much for

04:02:59.420 it though okay what about you trump yeah heavy on trump you work at rebel news you said yeah i do

04:03:09.300 avi you many uh i mean i haven't met him in person but yeah he works there with me have you met him

04:03:14.040 because you're from australia no no but he's another aussie okay yes he's another great guy going

04:03:19.360 back to your robust traditionalism um

04:03:23.860 you know what i mean like i pulled up the photos you're like okay big part of being traditional is

04:03:34.520 modesty right so you're dressing provocatively wearing little clothing you've got your ass out

04:03:39.400 on instagram the internet you're doing porn it's not traditional also on your twitter which i can't

04:03:44.880 pull up you're talking about coming and squirt earmuffs we can hear it guys gosh uh there's

04:03:56.940 multiple videos of you

04:03:58.580 licking and or filleting a dildo what nothing about that is traditional that is true yeah um and

04:04:14.900 these are recent posts they're not like from two years ago go look at her twitter if you don't believe

04:04:20.500 me uh yeah there's i mean i get that that's not traditional i i wish it's like a smack in the face

04:04:31.400 yeah i wish traditionalism it's a total affront it's like a buffet you want the buffet of traditionalism

04:04:37.460 i think that i i know that it's wrong i think my views on it i have traditional opinions i know that

04:04:45.320 what i'm doing is wrong and not traditional but i i know that it's wrong and i still do it i'm not

04:04:50.060 sure exactly why but i do know that it is not right and it is wrong but i think that the way that i

04:05:00.820 try and live my life and especially in dating i think that i try and be as traditional as i can i

04:05:07.420 mean it's what i'm used to you're okay but you're talking about like your behavior and dating is

04:05:13.580 traditional i would think so but like okay i think one thing like a traditional man would want

04:05:20.200 in a traditional woman woman is there not being photos of her sucking on dildos on twitter

04:05:27.800 you know i mean am i wrong no you're not wrong at all no you're not wrong um i know that because of

04:05:35.960 what i've done i might not find that exact traditional man that i'm looking for and that's

04:05:39.800 not what i'm expecting but just don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman

04:05:45.440 i'm not a modern woman you're a modern woman that's what there's there you're a modern woman

04:05:50.560 look i'm not that's fine don't steal don't co-op you know donated 100 props to daphne it's correctly

04:06:01.000 spelled daphne btw for her trump vote as well as the others who were at minimum voting against 80

04:06:07.240 candidates but daphne jesus isn't liking what you're doing i know and i'm sorry lord i will

04:06:16.860 allow you to claim to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone

04:06:23.960 and you delete your only fans and you scrub your twitter of your degenerate dildo sucking sorry guys

04:06:32.660 i'm putting your muffs on will you like it trolling so you are are you saying that if i delete my only

04:06:38.000 fans i'll prove to you that i'm a traditional woman as the arbiter as the patriarchy as the

04:06:43.140 representative of the patriarchy as the arbiter of traditionalism yes that's what you got to do and

04:06:50.160 you got to prove it to me i think that the most important thing is proving it to myself i mean it's

04:06:55.180 what i believe you know i believe that i'm traditional even though i do have a little

04:07:01.480 craziness to me no no not just a little craziness my dear my dear modesty and traditionalism go hand

04:07:10.420 in hand there there's photos and videos of you i don't know what you do on your only fans but

04:07:15.820 just what's publicly available on your twitter

04:07:18.180 that shit ain't traditional son it ain't traditional you think that jesus wants better

04:07:25.420 for you go and sin no more like don't you want it better even if you think you're never going to

04:07:29.980 get a good guy because of what you've done when you want to improve just for yourself if you know

04:07:33.380 what you're doing is wrong like what's holding you back i mean i'm not necessarily looking for

04:07:37.360 a relationship right now i don't think that that's you know i'm not going to change my ways so

04:07:42.920 that i could find a better man i'm happy right now you know i'm the happiest that i've ever

04:07:47.160 been and how are you happy if you know what everything you're doing is morally wrong like

04:07:50.240 your entire job not everything not everything but didn't you say you had a relationship with

04:07:53.540 jesus christ i do how is that not getting in the way with your relationship yeah you're trolling

04:07:58.400 you're not being serious you have to be trolling when you mention cooking and cleaning as being

04:08:02.320 traditional as a woman it is traditional cooking but not only fans that's such a strange

04:08:07.080 specification i know that it's not true i know that that is not traditional but you can be an

04:08:12.520 actual traditional woman and not cook and clean but what you're doing is not being a

04:08:16.280 traditional woman so in the scale of in the grand scale of things you know i mean yeah i mean you

04:08:22.480 have a point i'm not disagreeing with you i know that it's not traditional i'm not trying to argue

04:08:26.300 that we'll come back to this i need to get a couple chats in because they're about to drop off my thing

04:08:30.380 we have fowley here good evening all kind of haram but i wonder who would win oh my in a miss

04:08:36.980 soul eater or miss gluck gluck excuse me 9 000 from a month or two ago you remember her her name being lana

04:08:43.840 haram thank you fowley appreciate it um maybe you should dm them and you can you can ask okay

04:08:55.980 yogi bear thank you for the canadian 50 illegal immigrants vote for weak borders and all the other

04:09:00.800 terrible policies that come with that not all are a drain on society but most are look i mean

04:09:08.120 america is a great place a lot of people i i question for the conservatives apollo shinoda donated

04:09:18.160 one hundred dollars brian check yourself the patriarchy is a red herring construct like all of the

04:09:25.180 folk pejoratives they throw around to gaslight the sheep oh i use patriarchy totally uh like uh

04:09:32.120 in a in a i yeah ironic sort of memeing sort of way i don't believe that there's a patriarchy i

04:09:41.020 believe we live in a gynocentric society and uh the patriarchy is q anon for feminists um

04:09:48.760 on the illegal immigration thing uh wait what was i gonna say uh you were gonna turn oh america's great

04:09:57.260 oh for the conservative people here would you guys be in favor of like us helping these countries

04:10:04.040 where a lot of people immigrate from like helping them like in some way like develop their countries

04:10:12.080 so that we didn't they didn't feel the need yep they didn't need cheap energy and they need us not

04:10:20.160 to take all of their best people as well all of the brain drain talented people brain drain yeah

04:10:24.140 uh you guys in favor of that i would say we help them through our non-profits that exist in the

04:10:29.380 united states through the private sector not through the private sector okay because we can

04:10:32.860 help people as christians and we can help people or just as good people we can help people but we

04:10:37.500 don't have to do it through our government but if let's say if the cost to the maximum american

04:10:43.440 taxpayer for one illegal immigrant is a hundred dollars versus if we spent fifty dollars to somehow

04:10:52.900 bolster uh these other countries and that reduced one illegal the cost for to reduce one illegal

04:11:01.560 immigrant from coming was fifty dollars would it then make sense to financially it would may it occurs

04:11:07.700 to me it would make sense to i mean i guess that's like an option i just feel like putting having good

04:11:14.220 borders would probably just be a better use and also you need to have yes with those countries as well

04:11:19.240 like europe for example when they killed qaddafi he was like stopping all of the people coming

04:11:23.520 because they're all coming through libya and he wouldn't let them come and then that sort of just

04:11:26.740 opened up the floodgates and it's similar with mexico the floodgates are basically just open

04:11:30.320 we're getting a lot of chats here coming in i'm going to try to read them uh we have one i'm going to

04:11:36.080 get back to this one expose the narcissist we have jrod daf i saw you smile reading my message

04:11:41.920 good girl you have a southern traditional heart with an untamed soul you haven't met a strong

04:11:46.320 enough man where you choose to truly submit scared or looking that's okay okay all right we

04:11:56.340 have uh jrod my perfect woman equals s stock in the street daphne in the sheets s stock my textbook

04:12:07.000 definition of a refined classy educated conservative woman a lady my unicorn does she shoot two-step and

04:12:13.400 like sushi okay i have no fucking idea can someone translate that thank you jrod we got hunter here

04:12:21.120 there you go there's hunter ask the girls if they have had any wild or extreme dating stories maybe

04:12:27.480 even wild s3 soon 4l experiences or stories i bet daphne has some wild ones lol we'll come back to that

04:12:36.380 one in just a second hunter i have chill 808 coming in here in just a moment twitch.tv guys twitch.tv

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04:12:50.640 okay all right uh roman 7 15 20 for the good that i want i do not do but i practice the very evil

04:12:57.220 that i do not want from the chill 808 is that the hawaii area code 808 does anyone know what area

04:13:04.780 is that yo chill 808 thank you man appreciate it thank you for dropping the uh verse there

04:13:09.080 oh we got nickelodeon to daft knee you claim to be some kind of religious name 10 books

04:13:15.140 from the bible i thought the other one was leaving i wouldn't say religious i reeled her back in with a

04:13:20.700 i bribed her with a energy did we get her applesauce no guys we gotta we gotta be on the applesauce we

04:13:30.180 gotta be on it okay um wait so daphne you're i wouldn't say religious i believe any 10 books

04:13:37.840 name 10 books go any 10 books any 10 books any 10 books it doesn't have to be what

04:13:44.500 um fear and loathing in las vegas by hunter s thompson the bible um um tom sawyer a heart is a

04:13:55.820 lonely hunter by alice walker all of the harry potter series all the game of thrones series the

04:14:01.220 craft of intelligence by alan w dulles who was a former director of the cia um the sun also rises or

04:14:09.800 the sun yeah the sun also rises by earnest hemingway um cocaine politics it's a book about

04:14:16.820 how cocaine basically runs everything there's a lot of drug corrupt money in the united states

04:14:23.160 um i don't know naming 10 books on the spot is pretty hard i can't remember okay you did good

04:14:30.400 you did good i'm proud of you all right we have oh hold on i'll read this one show of hands who think

04:14:35.660 jacob and alissa would make a cute couple grid one motorsports can you use some of that stock money

04:14:41.960 and sponsor a first date

04:14:43.720 i'm jake that might be me are you alissa yep we can talk

04:14:49.660 good times all right we have base oh okay hold on expose the narcissist to the girl that got cheated on

04:15:00.500 so sorry for what you went through you're so strong emotionally healthy and beautiful wasn't

04:15:05.720 your fault say stay strong and take care of yourself and your daughter and then he sent another

04:15:11.700 one oh thank you he says uh it's coming in just pretty much the same thing to the girl that got

04:15:20.480 cheated on you're so strong emotionally healthy and beautiful it wasn't your fault stay strong and

04:15:23.960 take care of your okay he sent thank you again twice kind of worded a little differently you know

04:15:28.480 what though i do want to say when you when that happened when that happened it should have been

04:15:33.480 the fuck out should be done oh my god i spit a little bit okay my bad sorry sorry laptop um

04:15:41.160 oh and then hunter hunter was asking ask the girls if they had any wild or extreme dating stories

04:15:46.200 maybe even wild uh sexual experiences or stories bet daphne has some wild ones okay daphne why don't you

04:15:53.140 start i gotta get up um i have one that i mean obviously is the first thing that come oh gosh

04:16:00.300 it's the first thing that comes to mind probably the craziest thing that's ever happened to me um

04:16:06.180 and i didn't talk about it for the longest time but i will talk about it here um so basically i was 18

04:16:11.620 and i was working in a restaurant um and i met this guy who was a little bit older than me he was like

04:16:21.680 around 30 um so we started dating and talking i eventually ended up getting fired from the restaurant

04:16:26.980 and went somewhere else he stayed but we moved in and um we really fell in love he was pretty quiet

04:16:35.540 um didn't really talk about his emotions too much he was a very kind of um closed off person which i

04:16:42.560 can respect but we had a pretty interesting and unique relationship dynamic i was like his dog

04:16:48.080 um and he was like my owner so i know this is strange but like i would have a little kennel that

04:16:54.980 i would stay in and i would sleep in my kennel and if i would try to get out he'd like spray me with

04:16:59.280 water i had a little dog bed that i would keep like under his gaming setup and like sleep under there

04:17:04.520 like his little dog um i know that's strange but yeah our relationship i think was i loved it i loved

04:17:12.580 being his pet wait so okay no continue and so we we talked for about like a year and a half um and then

04:17:24.320 so he brought up that his mom um got married and i hadn't really ever talked to my father um

04:17:34.300 and this is kind of the first time that he talked about his family i wasn't ever really bringing up

04:17:39.420 whether he should meet my family i felt like i that wasn't my place to bring it up so he brought

04:17:44.520 it up um about maybe meeting his family and um he just had just told them about me so he was like

04:17:54.240 yeah my mom you know just got you know recently married a couple months ago remarried and um you know

04:17:59.880 i think that we should his family lived in la he was like i think we should take a trip up to la

04:18:03.800 and um goes to show me a picture of um his mom and she married my dad so he was my stepbrother

04:18:12.440 but it was a real story i feel like that's a pander to the audience oh it's real it wasn't

04:18:19.580 but it wasn't weird i wasn't grossed out by it i wasn't thinking like oh this is strange or this is sick

04:18:26.760 because we had been talking for a while but we broke we ended up breaking up a couple months after

04:18:31.740 that but it wasn't because of that um but we didn't really know how to talk about it i didn't

04:18:38.120 really bring it up because it kind of made me i guess a little bit uncomfortable i didn't like it

04:18:42.160 it's not like it was a kink it's not something that i had you know i think about like oh this is

04:18:47.120 hot in a sense um literally don't believe anything i feel like that's cap

04:18:51.380 yeah are they still together long about everything uh your mom and his dad your mom and his dad i'm

04:19:00.760 not sure we don't talk i feel like you're just trying to create this as some kind of fantasy

04:19:04.740 for weird men online and that's like your whole persona also about the dog thing was that like

04:19:11.160 your whole entire relationship or did you guys like actually treat each other like humans for a

04:19:15.620 certain point in time or is that i mean yeah it wasn't that went on for like that wasn't the whole

04:19:20.580 thing uh i mean obviously i walk and talk like a human but um i enjoy acting like a dog it's comforting

04:19:26.880 for me like growing up um when my mom got married uh we got a dog his name was sebastian he was a

04:19:34.420 rottweiler and i would go out and you know i was very sheltered so i would kind of my dog was like

04:19:40.820 my best friend in a sense i would act like a dog he would sleep in my mom's room i would go sleep

04:19:45.760 in his kennel i'd get in trouble for it but you know i drink out of a bowl i feel like it's more

04:19:50.000 it's not a kink thing like i don't look at it as a kinky thing i know other people may do and that's

04:19:55.760 okay this is the second time in two podcasts that i've been confronted with a dog person

04:20:00.080 maybe maybe this is something that's more common than i thought it's not a kink and i see how it could

04:20:06.360 be do you think that you you said you really enjoy being very submissive to a man you don't

04:20:10.940 like making your own decisions so do you think that you were at his feet literally and you were

04:20:16.160 sleeping on a mat do you think that this is a sexual thing you were turned on by the fact that

04:20:20.960 you were being controlled like a dog i think in a sense it does okay um you know biblical submission

04:20:26.640 is nothing that you're describing right what did you say biblical submission means you're submitting

04:20:30.660 to a man who deserves to be submitted to and you respect yourself because he respects you as well

04:20:35.520 i so like the idea that you're equating like biblical submission and like your religion or

04:20:40.240 lack thereof your jesus relationship with submission as a dog doesn't add up like it doesn't it's not

04:20:47.180 the same i don't think anything adds up yeah so that's just i mean i it's what i enjoy uh i know that

04:20:54.440 it's hard to believe but but can you agree that that's not the same type of submission so when you

04:20:59.260 say that you believe in like biblical submission that's not what what you're doing well i never said

04:21:03.100 that i believe in biblical submission i said that i am submissive why don't you believe in the bible

04:21:08.580 right do you not believe in the bible do you believe in the church that jesus founded or you

04:21:12.040 just believe in jesus i mean i believe in the bible i believe in jesus i'm not the most religious person

04:21:18.220 i feel like obviously that's something i need to work on and get closer to the lord but what do you what

04:21:24.080 do you have like things that you do to do that or like what are your usual routines i do bible study

04:21:30.740 on tuesday it's called like life men's bible study i'm trying my best to learn as much as i can

04:21:37.060 i know that i'm not the most is do you do it online or in person it's online but i have printed out i can

04:21:43.220 pull up a photo of like the formats the prompts that we have that i look over um but i'm learning as

04:21:49.960 much as i can you know i feel like i can obviously do better and that's what i'm trying to do get closer

04:21:57.700 to the lord and try my best to yeah that's good if you are doing that that's fantastic but i felt

04:22:03.020 like you were being a bit like tongue-in-cheek before you were saying oh i get on my knees and

04:22:06.400 i pray to him every night i do i pray every night yeah but the way you said it though you said that

04:22:10.820 you were trying to be tongue-in-cheek cheeky and looking at the camera and it's not really the way

04:22:15.900 you should say it i mean that's yeah that's fair were you being tongue-in-cheek though i wasn't trying to

04:22:20.840 i think i i think i come across as flirty or cheeky when i get nervous so yeah maybe if that

04:22:29.440 wasn't my intention behind it yeah do you treat like all of your other relationships kind of how

04:22:34.220 you treated the one that you just described i like to be chip boys yeah i like to be treated in that

04:22:40.560 sense um i'm always very submissive i feel like i mean i've only been in

04:22:45.640 two real relationships i guess and i prefer to be submissive all the time i think it's like

04:22:53.480 my duty i guess i feel safer that way i don't want to have to make my own decisions i don't want to have

04:22:58.660 to i guess really just make my own decisions it's just what i prefer i need i feel like i need a sense

04:23:06.820 of control i am have like a wild card i guess um and i feel like i need that guidance and those rules

04:23:14.240 and consequences that can kind of keep me you know if you don't mind me asking and you don't have to

04:23:21.900 answer this but do you have some kind of like childhood trauma something that happened to you

04:23:25.860 that might have caused this and you don't have to go into detail no that no that's fine i mean i think

04:23:31.560 that's a fair question i am into some weird stuff and i think most people who are into really weird

04:23:37.080 things do have that trauma um i don't i don't think i mean my parents got divorced when i was

04:23:44.900 maybe one apollo shenita donated 100 we have a serious mental health crisis in this country

04:23:52.900 but i don't think that that directly affected me growing up um is your dad in your life when your

04:24:02.200 parents got divorced i mean i was probably one years old so i don't really remember

04:24:08.920 any of it at all um i think maybe that's a good thing but no i don't have any uh childhood trauma

04:24:15.220 i think so single mom raised by a single mom she got remarried okay and did that man treat you well

04:24:21.600 like was he a good example yeah good wait going around the table uh who here's parents are still

04:24:27.500 together just one by one go ahead mine or not nope mine were before my mom passed no i don't want to

04:24:37.780 answer yes yes shout out mom and dad watching yo shout out sarah's mom and dad are they are they

04:24:45.440 watching i don't know i think so they knew i was doing this so sweet okay uh what did i miss guys it

04:24:53.780 seems like i stepped away something about dogs and kennels or someone yeah i um i'll fix it but

04:25:02.920 no i don't have i mean i don't think i have any childhood trauma i think i'm just maybe a little

04:25:08.260 bit weird oh okay let me get a couple chats here we have loon and if anybody else wants to answer that

04:25:17.920 but so lunaroo donated 50 hey thank you man i feel that daphne is afraid to say that she's doing this

04:25:25.940 for the money but off stream out of work she isn't technically the same person as she posts

04:25:30.960 an actor daphne what's your take explain i mean obviously i'm i want to do only fans for the money

04:25:37.760 i'm not making a bunch of money right now i'm really not um how much you making i mean i don't

04:25:43.780 want to say an exact five figures what no five figures a month five figures a month god no i

04:25:49.920 wish i wish no i'm not like rolling in the well i mean yeah or don't step it up excuse me

04:25:56.020 um don't step it up i mean obviously the goal would be to make a bunch of money and be able to get all

04:26:02.800 the things you know that i would want and but i'm i'm not rolling around in a bunch of money that would

04:26:08.580 be really cool though if i was seberg people do not decide their futures they decide their habits and

04:26:13.640 their habits decide their futures fm alexander when you make a choice you change the future

04:26:18.220 deepak chopra chopra chopra thank you sebergay good to see you in the chat man appreciate your

04:26:24.080 patronage thank you dude we have stochastic 316 is this the same as stochastic decay thou shall not

04:26:30.960 subscribe to her only fans you don't have a chance with her you can't save her i forbid everyone

04:26:36.820 watching from dming or subscribing to her only fans you okay all right i almost feel is that like

04:26:46.820 a reverse psychology thing like you're actually trying to get people to sub to her sounds like it

04:26:50.400 seems a little yeah okay all right all right i think we're all caught up on oh we got one from

04:26:55.060 cj here coming in hot ladies please reiterate your age and state the theoretical maximum age

04:27:02.500 of a man you would consider dating for the purposes of marriage okay we can do this uh starting with

04:27:08.640 you uh what's your age and what's the oldest uh man you would date i'm 24 i think realistically i would

04:27:16.760 date up to i don't know 70 i like older men but but i feel as long as they're the pandering continues

04:27:31.500 as long as they can make sense i think as long as they can make sense but i don't know i mean i

04:27:38.420 haven't been with alzheimer's yeah i'm not i'm gonna try and not judge i haven't been

04:27:43.260 joe biden right well no he's an idiot no but what if he wanted like a pet dog relationship

04:27:52.320 he's liberal so no i wouldn't give him that crazy yeah you'd need to be the i know

04:27:58.440 are you dating to get married are you gonna get married for like two years i'm not dating right

04:28:04.900 now i mean i'm not dating right now i don't plan on dating right now right now i'm just trying to

04:28:12.360 but i'm saying if you dated a 70 year old then you wouldn't have very much time i mean i yeah no

04:28:17.860 i mean that's the strategy though he kicks the bucket and you get the year oh god would you date

04:28:24.280 a 28 year old australian man they have to come by i don't know i think i mean obviously age is

04:28:33.340 important but i think i do go based off of personality but i i don't know maybe okay all right

04:28:40.100 good question all right what about you i'm 20 and maximum age for marriage

04:28:46.940 oldest guy that you would date

04:28:51.300 i feel like 27 okay for something serious yeah what about you i'm 28

04:29:00.940 no older than like 34 i got a chance boys okay what about you i'm 28 and i don't know probably like

04:29:11.920 i probably try to keep it within a decade range okay i'm 24 and i don't really know probably

04:29:19.440 probably like 28 or something like that okay i'm 19 i'm about to be 20 in a couple weeks

04:29:26.100 so the oldest i would date maybe would be 24 25 sure i'm 20 um i haven't thought about this too hard

04:29:36.940 but probably like 26 is the oldest right now um but i'd day older in a few years

04:29:44.820 okay we have that uh let's see here we have a few more notes we have uh where were we okay

04:29:54.960 more we we have a few more from daphne did you did you say the step bro story did she yes

04:30:02.360 can you tell it again because i wasn't i don't recall yes um so i was working in a restaurant

04:30:14.100 when i was 18 sure i don't care where you were working why do no i don't know if this is sexist

04:30:19.380 but like why do it seems to me it occurs to me that when women tell stories you need to tell us

04:30:25.520 shit that does not fucking matter at all not all can you not all women but for some reason you oh

04:30:33.080 and uh me and becky were talking and then oh we we had a fucking cob salad and you asked no it

04:30:40.780 the king of chi donated 100 girl one the cat who told you that your makeup was attractive

04:30:50.500 you mentioned you are not going anywhere with that act so how did that happen why continue

04:30:56.840 my mate wait

04:30:59.980 i'm confused by the question

04:31:06.540 i think they're asking like why how it happened that you've been acting like a dog slash cat i don't

04:31:15.400 know oh um i just enjoy it i feel comfortable doing it i like it um i know it's weird and i know that

04:31:23.600 people might judge me and i'm okay with that but i it makes me feel comfortable i enjoy acting like a

04:31:29.340 dog and being completely submissive and controlled and you know i know it's hard for me to say like

04:31:35.780 don't kink shame because i kink shame and i get it i get it i do it's weird it's strange but i like it

04:31:42.780 and it makes me makes me feel safe and that's what would you would you date a dog not not like a

04:31:49.240 literal dog but like a woman who wants to play pretend um it wouldn't be in my purview and i

04:31:55.660 can't really see i don't really think i know anybody who it would be but it's obviously a kink and

04:32:00.660 you're obviously getting subscribers for it and this act is obviously gonna get you subscribers as

04:32:05.520 well so yeah power to you you know i'm not gonna lie i might actually be willing to go for it

04:32:10.540 i might be okay with it but seriously like what is like the mentality i'm sorry what is the

04:32:17.200 mentality behind that you playing the part of the animal but then like you find yourself in a

04:32:23.180 relationship with the man who's basically a like there's gotta be some attraction to like

04:32:28.380 the like the animal that you're pretending to be like it's kind of where's the mentality behind

04:32:34.920 that you're attenuating bestiality yeah apollo shinoda donated 100 again we have a serious mental

04:32:44.720 health crisis in this country because like i don't understand like i well i guess you're into it so i

04:32:52.260 guess it makes sense in yeah so do you like to do but like it's just like for me it's like why would

04:32:57.700 i seek out that type of man who's into that like yeah no i i get it it is it is strange i understand

04:33:02.660 it's it like i get your question um i know i don't identify as a dog i know that i'm a human

04:33:08.920 hunter donated 100 okay brian watch your mouth she ain't interested wait wait who her dog lady

04:33:20.020 i know i'm not a dog i think people who or a cat i think people who identify as those like animals

04:33:29.140 what do they call them like the ethereum or something other kin theory yeah i think i think

04:33:34.100 that's weird i know i'm a human like i know that i just i have this thing where i really enjoy being

04:33:39.440 completely submissive like i don't i just i have to do like an animal like why do you have to be

04:33:45.200 a dog when you do that it doesn't i just growing up being sheltered like i wasn't allowed out of the

04:33:50.900 house i wasn't really allowed to have friends i was never allowed to go to parties i had my mom and

04:33:55.880 my stepfather were very very strict with me growing up so the only i lived allowed to have

04:34:02.080 friends or be let out of the house no i mean i wasn't allowed to go out on the weekends like i

04:34:07.500 had friends in school but you know on my own time when i was with my own thoughts like what could i do

04:34:14.420 i just had like a dog and so i would pretend to be a dog and i would go run around outside and do dog

04:34:20.260 like wait when did this how old were you when this started on it i think before i remember i

04:34:27.960 i've always i mean been this way i guess i can't really think of a time where it like started i just

04:34:36.000 know that i've gotten in trouble for sleeping in my dog's kennel i've gotten in trouble for trying

04:34:41.420 to eat my dog's food wait there is something like jake okay entertain me here for a sec all right

04:34:50.160 like there is something kind like

04:34:52.920 do you know that scene i know what you're gonna say

04:34:56.920 there's this there's this uh scene in the office and this dynamic didn't exist where

04:35:05.080 where michael and jan were dating and she made michael sleep at the oh my god at the edge of the bed

04:35:15.940 oh not even that it was like this little uh like a ottoman at the edge of the bed and like

04:35:22.920 bro that's kind of fucking toads dude come on right wait so you're the dog

04:35:28.540 no no no no no she's the dog girl's the dog oh okay sleeping arrangement you get to sort of have

04:35:35.920 your space i don't enjoy sleeping with people though no see well for me like i like in a bed

04:35:41.980 i i don't like sleeping in the same bed with the chair yeah like go into the other room please get

04:35:46.360 out of here go in the guest room i drool a lot so i get self-conscious about me sleeping so i don't

04:35:51.100 like to sleep in the same bed it checks out somebody i really don't she drools we like

04:35:56.180 submissive is good guys by the way you want a submissive i'm joking a little bit i cannot no

04:36:01.760 and i submissive adult human female i agree i am a human i am not a dog or a cat i know that

04:36:07.500 studio spencer get me get me the leash you know what i'm signing up for this instead of saying you

04:36:13.920 like being submissive would you agree that you would say i like being owned yeah i would actually

04:36:18.740 so you agree that if you had a boyfriend they would be your owner not like your boyfriend i would

04:36:22.700 yeah i do do you remember generally human beings should be owned by other people like

04:36:27.820 is that something that you agree obviously that's something that sounds a bit intense

04:36:31.620 but that's what you're saying right for me personally that's what i i like so you like

04:36:37.500 being owned i do yeah but do you ever find yourself like you doing whatever and then you're like oh

04:36:44.920 like shit like this guy loki might be into the animal aspect of it i don't think it's no i don't

04:36:54.140 i really don't take it that far i love my animal ears i mean maybe maybe i don't think it's that i do

04:37:00.720 have a kennel why would you want to be with someone who sees you as like an animal like somebody who

04:37:05.760 wants to dehumanize you like that and own you why would you want to that that's why i was asking about

04:37:10.620 your self-worth i think that if if a man can look at me and think that i'm a dog that's a bit weird

04:37:17.240 obviously i'm a human how's your leash discipline do you have good discipline on the leash i don't tug

04:37:22.900 i don't pull on the leash so what do you ever walked in the street um no i haven't been walked

04:37:29.740 in the street um but i just around the house what's your around the house like what breed do you most

04:37:34.800 mostly identify with um i think i think if i were to pick a breed that i identify with i would say

04:37:41.780 german shepherd i think they listen really well i get more like wiener dog from you really i get more

04:37:46.980 like a lawn-haired wiener dog no like those that wiener dog from pretzel toy story the book oh

04:37:53.500 i think i would be a german shepherd i think they're obedient shepherd yeah no get out of

04:38:01.720 here with that so a wiener dog it is then yeah you're a wiener dog i'm sorry if this is rude do

04:38:06.940 you pee outside when you're um okay so i have before but that i know it's weird okay in the grass

04:38:16.600 but that's when i was growing up now i feel like that's when you're a puppy wait hold on yeah when

04:38:22.920 i'm when i was a puppy wait question have any of you had had a puppy like had a dog right yeah i don't

04:38:29.800 know if you with your dog like you know how like i don't know i had a i had a uh oh my god how am i

04:38:35.160 a golden retriever excuse me i was blanking there i had a golden retriever and like it was weird like

04:38:41.480 whenever he squatted to take a shit he would like always like look at me yeah they eyeball you

04:38:48.040 trust you that's a sign of trust yeah he just looks at you as if he's trying to say do so it

04:38:54.680 kind of looks like me actually he could even be like the dog could be facing away from me and if

04:38:59.320 i was standing behind him he'd like yeah while shitting i've had golden's too and they always do

04:39:04.600 that and i hate it i'm like stop it's a sign of trust that you're like watching their back like

04:39:08.360 you're watching their perimeter you seem to know this quite well yeah i guess i do oh no wait hold

04:39:15.160 on so does this like question for you though is is this like strictly does this not manifest itself

04:39:22.840 is is this manifest itself in a sexual way too or is it strictly like an innocent sort of way i it

04:39:29.240 started off innocent i would love to say that it is all innocent but it i in a sexual way i think it

04:39:35.080 does come out do you did she say do you bark during sexual intercourse um

04:39:44.760 i know i know it's weird do you no it's okay i know it's weird you bark during sex i have

04:39:53.640 i think she's acting a little bit here i can i think it's weird when i i don't know i mean yes

04:40:03.720 yes i have but welcome to the whatever podcast whatever dog i know i know it's weird i know it's

04:40:12.040 but yes i have when you're climaxing do you oh no no no that's weird you don't park no that's

04:40:23.160 weird that's weird yeah that yeah that's my yeah that would be a great actress though i will say that

04:40:30.600 okay whatever dog cast okay i just want to apologize for the wolf have a dog cast

04:40:35.720 no it's i'm not trying to judge no don't apologize at all it's weird it's okay oh yeah you're telling

04:40:42.280 about so basically uh i'll recap the step bro story for you you're with a guy for a couple months

04:40:47.000 obviously we were having sex anyways okay turns out he's my stepbrother and that didn't necessarily

04:40:52.840 stop us but we aren't doing anything anymore wait stepbrother so was there any relation no not

04:40:59.480 blood relation so it's oh fine is that weird i don't think that's it was i mean it's not illegal

04:41:05.880 did you guys grow up together no so like your dad remarried you were 19 and then he was your so his

04:41:11.880 parents were divorced my parents were divorced my dad married his mom so it's not illegal he wasn't

04:41:17.720 like my blood brother we weren't related i mean aside from the like potential conflict i've read this

04:41:23.000 in a script before i swear like this is so normally you skip this part hey this is browser script

04:41:28.440 like it is pretty browsers okay uh let's see uh okay you talked about the whole kennel thing and

04:41:38.840 being treated like a dog um how is your mental health like are you on any medications no i don't

04:41:46.200 take medication have you been diagnosed with anything um no i haven't i i know that i'm weird but i

04:41:54.200 i i try my best to stay away from apollo shinoda donated 100 she's craving and getting too much

04:42:02.360 attention now please move on from daphne correct spelling can i answer this one question about

04:42:08.600 medication sure i think medication is evil i feel like the fda doesn't approve of anything that cures and

04:42:16.360 i feel like if you take a medication there's just going to be more side effects to it so i

04:42:19.800 try my best to stay on a natural path but um no i'm not on any medication i don't really want to

04:42:26.760 be on any medication and i don't trust doctors oh my god well i just don't trust it totally dating

04:42:32.840 related i was more asking about a mental diagnosis it just seems like it's not something a mentally

04:42:38.120 healthy person would do who grew up you know with two parents in the home and no trauma i mean

04:42:44.520 that's a fair assessment yeah that's a very not believe who knows maybe i maybe i could but uh no

04:42:52.200 i haven't been diagnosed with anything cool you said uh you said you'd like to get very controversial

04:43:01.640 you like to play devil's advocate and have no problem talking up storm on any topic i mean is there

04:43:06.040 any i don't want you to play devil's advocate but is there anything dating related that you actually do

04:43:11.000 have very controversial controversial views on um i think i mean yes in a sense i also think a big

04:43:19.240 part of the controversy comes from the fact that i am an only fans girl and that i still view things

04:43:24.200 that i don't uphold like the body count and the value things like that um i think that's pretty

04:43:31.080 controversial well you wrote here you think modern day dating is a bit asinine i am traditional and think

04:43:37.080 a man deserves a woman who can protect his spirit i think a high value man deserves to have a woman

04:43:42.680 that he constructs within his head or his ideal girl as i can only imagine what he has holy run on

04:43:48.120 sentence batman um what he has had to go through to get into this position of authority uh let's see so

04:43:56.520 you are a traditional woman you deserve uh and think a man deserves a woman who can protect his spirit

04:44:01.720 interesting that you bring up spirit there uh you mentioned deserves a woman who can protect his

04:44:07.640 spirit do you think a woman who is or was involved in porn like yourself is capable of protecting a man's

04:44:13.240 spirit i do i do i think maybe not be it might not be the spirit of a high value man i think i can

04:44:24.200 protect a man's spirit i'm very feminine and i think that my feminine energy brings a balance to

04:44:29.880 the masculinity that i look for in a relationship but i think like you say protecting a man's spirit

04:44:35.800 but like perhaps that's i mean i don't bring drama i don't bicker i don't no bickering no no bickering

04:44:44.360 no drama no fighting i try my best not to argue obviously i go through those moments where i think

04:44:49.800 like oh you know he's mad at me and i need that little bit of reassurance but i think that's normal

04:44:54.520 but i don't bicker i don't fight i don't argue i do as i'm told i think that is protecting a man's

04:45:00.440 masculinity not causing more stress on him than there already is what about other aspects of protecting

04:45:06.600 his uh spirit um like like not having photos of you fellating dildos on your twitter hello

04:45:16.200 spirit killer like spirit major spirit killer if i was your boyfriend i'd be like take that

04:45:20.280 shit down right now i would take it down delete your only fans um did i just date these of girls

04:45:27.640 so they delete their only fans is that one by one wanted to tell i'm i'm putting in the work bro i'm

04:45:33.320 fucking i'm doing god's work what about like um like you know emotional support and like you know

04:45:40.680 just being there like you know um in a relationship typically like men uh rely on women for that kind of

04:45:47.320 stuff you know um society tells men like oh tough it out and whatnot and i'm not disagreeing with that

04:45:53.960 point of view and whatnot but like when you're the woman in a relationship you want to be that like that

04:45:58.680 kind of like a person that he leans on you know yeah um i'm definitely emotionally supportive when my

04:46:03.960 man allows him himself to show those emotions i this may be controversial again i think i've never seen

04:46:13.320 my man cry i don't want to see him cry i think men are very emotional creatures by nature i think that

04:46:20.600 it's the control of the emotions that is the most important part and if need be i have to be that

04:46:27.080 person to emotionally support him if times get rough and he needs someone to talk to i will be there but

04:46:32.280 i think a man being able to control his emotions is a very masculine and respectable trait what about the

04:46:37.720 emotion of lust the emotion of lust that i don't want anything to do with what he does on the side

04:46:44.200 that's not something that i'm interested in i don't want to know about who he's going to see

04:46:48.040 and cheat on me with i know that it's inevitable i know it's going to happen and i'm just going to accept

04:46:51.960 it i don't want to know anything about it if you if you had a partner um because you mentioned that um

04:46:59.000 you think a man who can uh be in control of his emotions um so if you did have like back to what we

04:47:05.080 were talking about a partner who couldn't control his um his lust for another woman would you find

04:47:10.760 him to be a little bit more demasculated because of that i don't think that it's that he can't

04:47:15.400 control his lust for another woman i think that it's because he chooses not to i think control is not

04:47:20.920 a part of that i think if a man wants to go cheat he will i don't think that it's because he can't

04:47:27.000 control his lust all right moving on sarah here this sarah uh you said you i don't know how

04:47:36.520 interesting this is for you to talk about but you said you dated your friend's older brother

04:47:41.400 yeah i did i don't think there's anything wrong with that unless there's more to the story than just

04:47:49.560 i mean yeah it's kind of weird at first was it like a revenge thing like you want no nothing like

04:47:55.080 that she ended up being pretty chill with it but oh okay don't work out you said fun fact my hinge

04:48:00.840 date was what part of the january 6 insurrection insurrection i don't believe that based

04:48:09.000 he didn't go in the capital he was going to go in but so was that a green flag or a red flag green green

04:48:14.600 flag okay all right slide guys if any of you copped a felony charge her dms are open

04:48:23.000 okay uh let's see here who have we not we got venus we got daphne we got we got a bit from sarah we got

04:48:33.240 uh angelique did we oh i think we got most hold on being wait hold on oh did you finish your

04:48:45.160 questionnaire me yeah what do you mean when she left did you i don't know oh okay sorry i'm

04:48:52.760 okay hold on i see i see so back to uh angelique here you said wait hold on uh wait

04:49:07.320 sorry there's a lot of notes from you uh did you define what patriarchy is yes we talked about that

04:49:13.640 already did we okay we did uh okay uh you said you wanted to focus on how man being pro-choice is

04:49:21.000 anti-woman and the biggest red flag of all time and dating i think we kind of

04:49:25.400 talked about that uh if a man's willing to kill his own child i don't want to be with him word

04:49:30.120 okay second thing is modern dating seems like everyone is dancing around reality no one is

04:49:33.880 straightforward men don't properly ask women on dates it's just situationships and hanging out

04:49:38.600 women don't clearly state their expectations and get surprised later that they're dating a scumbag

04:49:44.040 yeah yeah you know it's like you have if you have to have if you look for standards you have

04:49:52.280 to be the standard and you can't look for the what you want in the place where that person's not going

04:49:56.680 to be i just feel like it's it's kind of about logic more than anything else and sometimes we we

04:50:02.120 come to our emotions too much when we're when we talk about dating um like we want this we want that

04:50:07.160 but then we don't really look for that and we don't we aren't really the person that we want to

04:50:12.280 see in a person we're with sure and i do think men are moving away from you know doing those things i

04:50:18.520 mean i there's a probably a lot of reasons for that some of the blame i think rests on men but i do

04:50:24.920 think some of the blame also rests on women for example i mean the uh you know you have women who will

04:50:31.080 uh expose men for daring to approach them uh or flirt with them and a lot of men are seeing and

04:50:41.400 in the social media age uh this is a massive issue because people care deeply about their reputations

04:50:47.480 and especially in you know for example uh college or high school if a guy were to perhaps awkwardly

04:50:54.120 approach a woman that's a bigger hit when fucking she can go to fucking twitter or instagram and oh

04:51:00.760 this creepy guy fucking hit on me or whatever so um i think they're you know the whole me too thing

04:51:07.320 granted look there's some very valid things going on there but i think you know there's guys i don't

04:51:14.680 know if you guys are familiar with like the uh i'm trying to think of an example recently like women

04:51:19.400 will just like leak dms of guys innocently flirting with them and like shame them for doing what women

04:51:29.240 want men to do which is take initiative um i mean so yeah i think they're being sent the opposite

04:51:35.880 message of what we actually want like if you want a man to be xyz you actually have to treat the men who

04:51:43.160 are xyz as if you know they have something valid to offer um so yeah i completely agree i think it's

04:51:49.160 both people but you have to put out there what you have you hope to find i feel like if a man like i saw

04:51:54.840 this video of this girl who was in a gym and she was just doing a normal workout this guy like turned

04:51:59.560 for a second because she had this giant tripod set up and she was like what the are you looking at

04:52:04.200 like you're a total creep and i think that all of that is such cases yeah such cases i think it's a

04:52:09.800 really big issue and then with speaking about the me too movement i have seen a lot of like things come

04:52:15.400 forward about um false sexual assault claims which is sickening it's terrible and i think that um

04:52:22.200 um yeah yeah something i wanted to also say is that i think one of the biggest overarching problems

04:52:28.440 with dating and society now is the fact that if we don't respect ourselves we can't respect our

04:52:33.160 partners and then ultimately obviously i'm very passionate about this then we can't respect the

04:52:37.080 children we create so i think that's the biggest thing like we have to respect ourselves first and

04:52:41.480 then we can respect it definitely we need a higher standard of people yes you men are scared to take

04:52:46.360 initiative now so yeah i was gonna say i don't think it's just women that's the problem i think

04:52:52.440 that men just aren't as masculine anymore and they don't really pursue as much anymore i mean their

04:52:57.720 testosterone levels are literally so lower and they're all addicted to porn and yeah why would they pursue

04:53:04.920 a woman in real life i yeah i don't think it's just a man or a woman problem i think definitely both

04:53:09.880 it's definitely both um so you said i mean to have bosses yeah uh you said this whole body count

04:53:17.480 topic and how i hear people say lower body count is preferred for women and it's simultaneous

04:53:21.640 simultaneously respectable to have a high body count for men first of all the fact that the phrase

04:53:26.120 body count exists at all how dehumanizing it literally makes human beings just a number yes

04:53:34.280 yeah because you can't you can't engage in that activity without also giving something of your

04:53:39.480 soul and your emotions and we talked about it earlier the chemical bonding so to say just like

04:53:45.560 body count and like we're just like stacking names and like a list or just numbers even not even names

04:53:50.760 then you're no longer like connecting to that person anymore which is kind of the point right like

04:53:55.720 you're trying to just gain experience and that's what i meant by men it's respected somehow like

04:54:00.840 having more experience that doesn't make any sense to me because why would you want to have

04:54:05.960 why would you want your man to have experience in that realm if it means it's with other people

04:54:11.000 because then they're just he's just connected with other people and he's comparing you to all those

04:54:15.240 past experiences so instead of learning together about something that you both don't know much about

04:54:20.440 and learning it together for the rest of your life he's like thinking oh well susan back in the day

04:54:26.360 yeah but you're a major outlier like most people both men and women are either secular or atheist or

04:54:33.160 agnostic or nominally christian um so i mean i don't think religion has to do with it honestly i

04:54:38.840 really don't i don't not necessarily it wasn't religious this isn't really the reason why i think

04:54:42.840 this to be fair like that's it support my religion supports what i think but in reality i think this is

04:54:47.640 a completely secular concept as well it's like this show that it's it's unhealthy to be with multiple

04:54:52.520 people but it's i would argue that among atheists or agnostics or secular people it's probably uh the

04:54:59.560 it's probably much more rare to find people who uh believe in purity sexual purity for example so

04:55:06.200 sex yeah uh it's it's rare that doesn't mean it's not attainable or that we shouldn't talk about it

04:55:11.800 your objective your objection to the phrase body count let me ask you a question so if i were to ask you

04:55:16.680 how many previous sexual partners you've had and you tell me 10 right i mean didn't you just

04:55:21.880 do that which you object to which is putting a number um to something i mean the body count

04:55:27.480 question is just another sterile way oh uh don't switch to that uh wait let me put it over here

04:55:34.600 all right um it's just a sort of sterile way of asking how many sexual partners you've had no i

04:55:41.320 understand the purpose why we have to to reduce things down to like one or two words yeah it's to

04:55:46.920 shorten the four words versus seven how many people yeah i know but it's just like the idea

04:55:51.800 that the choice words are body count i'm just pointing out that like it's sad it's sad to me

04:55:56.600 that to think like if you do have a lot of people that you've had encounters with that ultimately at

04:56:02.120 the end of the day especially if it's i guess it's if it's higher then you're really just you have to

04:56:06.040 think of it as a body count versus like oh sure john and zoo or whatever like they're no longer people

04:56:11.320 they're just numbers okay uh and then did we get everything i think we got katie down i think that's

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04:57:25.800 four dollars a month okay all right um where uh is there is there anything dating related that any

04:57:34.920 of you would like to get off your chest

04:57:38.680 vixen i know you have some dying thoughts here i know you've been burning with

04:57:45.640 things going through your brain why don't you tell us no like i don't have anything really

04:57:55.800 cool i have one if if no one else does does anyone else anyone's dating you got you got

04:58:05.080 something you got what you what you got for us you got something no okay what you got maybe you

04:58:11.160 guys will agree but um my like not it's not a hot take it's just what i think but

04:58:16.360 that you should be friends with the person you're with before you even start dating um i think it's

04:58:21.160 like it's like one of the more foolproof ways to know somebody before you like commit your like

04:58:27.720 life to them or just like even in general just have like that exclusivity of dating um and put it in

04:58:33.320 that that limelight and i feel like friendship is such a the root and basis of a good romantic

04:58:39.880 relationship especially one that lasts forever because as you get older you lose money you lose

04:58:44.840 your attractiveness you lose like all the things that maybe were factors when you first started dating

04:58:49.480 but what doesn't change disavow your friendship that you have together so i say marry your best

04:58:55.080 friend and you should probably find out if they're a friend before you even get get together with them

04:59:01.000 get into them with them all of those things i think you can kind of cover that basis when you're

04:59:06.360 dating if you just wait to have sex with each other that's true too yeah that's true because i have

04:59:11.000 no interest in having female friends so if you're gonna say oh we're gonna be friends for a while no

04:59:14.760 thank you i i understand that i just mean like if you are friends with someone already maybe you

04:59:20.200 can consider taking it to the next level and i was also saying that to your point earlier about

04:59:24.520 like being realistic about the secular world that they're gonna do it anyways i would never recommend

04:59:29.080 at least put it off long enough to actually become friends with somebody i'd never recommend

04:59:32.520 a guy waiting in the friend zone and waiting for his moment well that's the problem with saying

04:59:36.440 friend zone and always making it a negative that's what that's what happens when in reality

04:59:40.360 maybe you think you're in the friend zone but really you're just like you you already kind of

04:59:44.840 put out your put yourself out there like you're interested in the person and in only like a sexual

04:59:48.920 way which i find happens a lot like that's been my experience as well it's a cold guys will act like

04:59:53.560 you're friends but in reality we're not stupid we know that you're you're you have like an in-game

04:59:59.640 when like we could just be friends then maybe we find out that we like each other later i get it and

05:00:03.160 from like that sort of more benevolent point of view where you would give the guy the chance then that that

05:00:08.360 they're sure but for the most part what it is is guys who don't quite know how to get in with

05:00:13.320 this particular girl that they're trying that they they fancy or whatever and then the girl will sort

05:00:17.480 of keep him around for attention and sort of boyfriend things without giving him the benefits

05:00:21.000 of being a boyfriend the lifts to the airport the jackets the shoulder to cry on but then he never

05:00:25.400 gets any of the benefits of being a boyfriend it's just the way that the world works it's cold

05:00:28.440 reality situation that definitely happens i'm just saying that it's still a good thing to be friends

05:00:33.560 with someone before you get let me ask you a question on that so do you think you think that

05:00:38.120 should be the case for both men and women they should start with as friends in the hopes that

05:00:43.960 it will one day lead to something romantic first of all i don't think it's like a full proof like

05:00:48.360 everyone does this and it works or something i'm just saying it's a good idea to think that in your

05:00:51.720 head or not necessarily be friends before you start dating but just have a friendship like i'm saying

05:00:56.920 that a lot of times i hear people talk about like their boyfriend or their girlfriend or their dating

05:01:01.400 person and they it doesn't sound like they have a friendship like they don't know each other on that level

05:01:06.840 it's like they you know they sleep together and then they go out to dinner they're on their phones

05:01:10.600 and they go home so i'm saying if you have that friendship you can't lose that like you can fight

05:01:15.720 for that friendship versus just like oh he's my boyfriend but like i don't really know i mean i

05:01:19.720 agree i think it's important to get to know each other on levels other than just romantic or sexual

05:01:26.760 i think that's the whole point of what dating should be you should take your time getting to know someone

05:01:31.240 but i don't think it should be called friendship if you both know you're mutually interested in

05:01:36.760 each other yeah it just seems like if if there is a mutual interest as sarah said then why play this

05:01:43.320 game of like let's just be friends for nine months it's almost like this sort of it's almost sad in

05:01:48.440 a way you hear these couples who like they liked they both liked each other but like they were both

05:01:54.520 too pussy to admit it and then they're like why didn't we just reveal to each other that we were

05:02:00.520 one that we were romantic although i feel like that's pretty rare but like i think the guy like

05:02:05.640 it's always pretty obvious if a guy is spending a lot of time with with a woman that yeah he's

05:02:09.720 interested right no i i've had a lot of female friends earlier in my life i don't have any really

05:02:14.760 now but they were they were never ugly the female friends yeah no i definitely don't disagree with

05:02:20.120 you at all about the fact that we shouldn't like play a game or that it's about like waiting until

05:02:26.360 some random moment we're like we like each other i'm simply saying friendship should be a foundation

05:02:30.280 of relationships i agree with what you're saying actually in terms of um creating that foundation

05:02:34.440 as well because oftentimes sex can be used as an out where like you're having an argument or whatever

05:02:39.080 you have some makeup sex and it's all good or you've got nothing to do you just have but if you don't

05:02:42.600 have that and if you actually have to sort out problems then you know it's gonna be a lot stronger

05:02:47.800 right math donated 100 thank you man hello bricks and love from dubai money or looks girls also i'm

05:02:55.800 just wondering how much to kick someone off the show uh it's a bitcoin to kick somebody off the show

05:03:04.440 he is from dubai so maybe he's got that uh you'll have to mess it's not in the description if you

05:03:11.720 genuinely want to uh do a bitcoin we'll kick someone off the show we'll kick someone off the show you'll

05:03:18.440 have to dm me on instagram math so i'll send you the crypto wallet or whatever uh on the friends thing

05:03:25.720 really quick i mean um i don't agree i just you can't be i think things ought to start romantic from

05:03:34.680 the get-go because there's too much room then for for like unrequited love one person and then you've

05:03:42.200 just if if your recommendation is you should pursue a friendship like if you're genuinely pursuing a

05:03:50.760 friendship just for the friendship i suppose that's okay because then you're genuinely just pursuing a

05:03:56.120 friendship but if you're doing it with some like ulterior motive which seems to be what you're

05:04:00.840 suggesting well you're saying people ought to start at friends i didn't say ought i didn't say

05:04:05.160 this is some foolproof thing i literally just suggested it as an idea for people who don't

05:04:09.160 even consider the idea of friendship in a relationship but if but if you're recommending

05:04:13.160 here start as just friends i mean that's kind of it's not like start it's not like oh we meet

05:04:17.240 let's be friends like that someday we maybe will be together i'm just saying like if you have a friend

05:04:23.240 then you should develop that friendship and then it could be something else but the point the point

05:04:27.480 i'm making is that friendship is a foundation for things instead of just being people that use each

05:04:31.240 other i just can't see friends and like relationship being in the same thing like like romantic

05:04:36.520 relationship like when i think about my friends i can't picture like being romantic with any of them

05:04:41.000 like it's just weird to think about me being romantic like i'm not saying like oh every friend

05:04:44.760 like look at them as if you're gonna be with them that's not my point the friendship can also kind

05:04:47.800 of in a way i think potentially make you a bit like numbed or like not attracted to the idea of

05:04:53.400 being romantic as well if you guys just develop a friendship yeah so if you if you're speaking

05:04:58.760 about like how much when you're dating and you're exclusive but you're not having sex yet i think

05:05:04.600 that's a that's a reasonable point because you'd learn a lot a lot about each other yeah and that's

05:05:08.520 part of the point too that's for sure yeah i have a question i'll do it for my theory and i'm just

05:05:12.520 going for it do you think girls can have guy friends and the guy friends don't have any ulterior motives

05:05:17.800 no absolutely not don't don't be ridiculous i disagree why do you disagree because i have

05:05:25.080 instagram i have guy friends i don't think they have any sort of ulterior motives with me i mean

05:05:29.080 when you say they probably hide it well when you say guy friends though do you mean guys that you go

05:05:33.320 out and go for lunch with and hang out with one-on-one and that sort of thing or do you just mean guy

05:05:36.680 friends who are acquaintances because those are two very different things like sometimes hang out one-on-one

05:05:41.400 but not like it's like a close friendship or hang out all the time but i think i have like guys in my

05:05:46.600 life that i trust that are my friends and i don't i mean maybe but uh if it was in a relationship

05:05:52.840 context and if you're my girlfriend and you were saying oh i'm just going to go hang out with henry

05:05:56.600 i'd say no you're not because well not one like not like in a private one-on-one setting like we're

05:06:02.440 like hang out all the time yeah but if you have acquaintances i'll come back i saw bill at the shop

05:06:07.480 yesterday and we stopped and chatted for i'd say oh cool how is bill but you know not if he said oh then

05:06:12.680 we went to lunch together and we went for a walk on the beach it'd be okay well yeah i understand that

05:06:16.360 okay bill uh matt i'm totally i'm very sorry we skipped your primary question here he asked

05:06:24.040 money or looks so we're gonna start with you money or looks if you had to pick one for a guy if i had

05:06:29.720 to pick one for a guy yeah wait math what's like how much money are we talking here like is it is the

05:06:36.840 comparison like brad pitt in his prime or like but he's doesn't have much money maybe makes average

05:06:45.160 amount of money versus like a billionaire but he's just

05:06:51.800 rough you know i mean i think pick one if i i mean if i had to pick one i would say money

05:07:00.520 okay what about you i think i'm gonna go looks

05:07:04.520 looks i would say first is how someone makes me feel and then no no no and then money so no no no

05:07:14.280 looks above money for sure looks i have no answer oh my god i don't i only find one person attractive

05:07:22.840 and therefore wait but it's not about money or looks engage i really can't i i don't really value

05:07:29.560 those that high so i can't really say one's better than the other because you can always make more

05:07:33.800 money do you want to be you you say you don't value money looks look better later do you want a

05:07:39.080 question so do you want to uh you want to have kids right yes do you think your current boyfriend

05:07:44.840 he's gonna like he's the guy you're gonna marry absolutely okay do you know when you're gonna

05:07:49.320 want to start having kids whenever god decides okay uh are you guys engaged not yet not yet okay

05:07:56.760 do you know how many kids you want whenever god wants i don't know you have no you have no

05:08:01.720 how long have you been dating i want as many kids as i can have like whatever whatever happens okay so

05:08:09.800 okay i so i've never really thought about either so okay so do you have a sense of when you would like to

05:08:14.440 be married by because you're 24 correct yeah just sometimes soon why hasn't he proposed okay

05:08:20.920 that's a great question so it's something that's personal so you're 24 let's say would you like to

05:08:25.320 be married by 27 and would you like to start having kids when you're married yes okay so you said as

05:08:34.920 many kids as god will provide so let's say you can get you want 13 kids basically this is i want as

05:08:41.640 as many as god wants for me to have like i literally don't have an answer like maybe three

05:08:45.320 right but given that i assume you're not gonna if you're i assume you're not gonna mind down the

05:08:50.760 line this isn't okay but i assume you're not gonna want to work right work like for money or work like

05:08:56.760 in general well if you're gonna be from the age of 27 to 40 if you're gonna be constantly pregnant

05:09:01.880 and taking care of the kids that's not how fertility works i mean you'll spend some time

05:09:08.280 pregnant though do you want to do you want to be do you want to be working when you're um

05:09:12.200 heavily working outside the home yeah do you want to be working and making money when you're heavily

05:09:16.120 pregnant not ideally would you like your husband to be the primary breadwinner yes and he plans to

05:09:22.360 he plans to so money does matter to you you asked me whether money or looks matter more but you said you

05:09:29.000 don't care about either i didn't say i didn't care about them i just said i don't what did she say

05:09:32.680 can somebody in the chat i don't want to misquote her what specifically did she uh she's more alluding

05:09:37.800 to not equating the two like the two don't really um right like i don't see those things as like so

05:09:43.000 high up that i would compare the two whatever puffy oh it's donated 100 there is no such thing as

05:09:51.480 females having male friends they just have guys that they use if she refers to a guy as her friend

05:09:58.680 she wants to sleep with him or already has that's so ridiculous that's not true i i honestly think

05:10:05.400 it's pretty hard for men and women to be friends it is hard but it doesn't mean that we have ulterior

05:10:11.800 motives when we are friends but it doesn't matter if the woman does that i feel like in most cases

05:10:16.200 the man does yeah it's mostly the dudes the woman is getting what she wants he's bagging on us also

05:10:21.960 here's the other thing when it comes to male and female friendships so let's say it's totally innocent

05:10:26.920 right maybe it is whatever when you get married or even if you're in a relationship i believe

05:10:32.840 that there's an impropriety for you to be let's say it's for you to be hanging out with your male

05:10:37.560 friend one-on-one as your boyfriend i would not be okay with you hanging out with your male friends

05:10:43.160 one-on-one i would not be okay with your male friends coming over to your house hanging out with

05:10:47.560 you one-on-one yes and that's totally and so but so the issue with male and female friendships once

05:10:54.120 you get involved with someone romantically they're look some people are fine with the partner having

05:11:01.960 friends of the opposite sex but you may find yourself in a relationship with somebody who isn't

05:11:07.640 and then that friendship is over so why invest in a relationship where there's a very good likelihood

05:11:13.240 that there's going to be a breakdown of the friendship because of the sort of intersex

05:11:18.440 dynamics well you're not really thinking about all like this like oh i'm gonna have to like dump this

05:11:23.080 friend when you make friends i mean unless you're forcing friendships my friendships with my friends

05:11:27.960 have all been pretty natural when i do have like when i do get in a relationship and my boy i do i am not

05:11:33.720 a hypocrite i would not want my boyfriend to have girlfriends so i would probably like oh like just like

05:11:41.560 like sure turn it down with my guy friends but before relationships just in general like i think

05:11:47.560 that's what he was saying like girls and guys can't be friends well like what if okay and i'm not

05:11:52.120 trying to sound like i know people are going to be like roasting like oh she's such a pygmy blah blah blah

05:11:56.760 like no like genuinely like you just happen to be like a girl who who um just connects better with

05:12:06.760 like guys or like sometimes it's just kind of hard for us to build girl friendships that's not a

05:12:11.400 picnic i think the issue is is that like if you're a woman and you're in a relationship with a guy

05:12:17.560 and it's romantic and you have a guy friend it's the fact that the woman is still entertaining

05:12:22.840 the male friend and entertaining those thoughts that are going through his head where he's thinking oh i'm

05:12:27.400 i want to sleep with this woman and you're entertaining the thought whether you may

05:12:31.160 know it or not you're still there in his presence and it's but you're also i'm saying before that i'm

05:12:37.560 talking about before that like before relationship like i would totally like i understand my partner's

05:12:42.680 like like what he's thinking through blah blah but like i don't think organically like to make friends

05:12:49.320 with someone of the opposite sex it's just like because you have um i i don't know how to explain

05:12:56.520 it like it just kind of seems like like oh i'm forcing this friendship and that i'm gonna eventually

05:13:01.400 have to break like no like this guy has a really good vibe he's like uh or like or like just like

05:13:08.120 in a group setting like there's more guys more girls like in my in my uh political campus clubs

05:13:14.040 there's more guys than the girls and i'm friends with everyone so does it mean i shouldn't have

05:13:19.000 friendships with the guys as well as the girls like i think before before dating group before dating

05:13:25.080 yeah okay i'm not saying like i'm hanging out solely with like men but i'm just saying like

05:13:30.600 there are relationships that are being formed between men and women so i mean just actually

05:13:34.680 thread it back to what you said about how you said you think relationships should start with

05:13:39.000 friendships that actually like they should i said they can okay but but if that's like what you're

05:13:44.280 recommending like those two absolute like absolutely if your view that relationships or

05:13:52.600 love interest should start as friends absolutely they need to cut their friends off 100 in those

05:13:58.920 circumstances like the friends have to be donezo gone yeah friends got oh here's a here's a worse

05:14:06.440 one one-on-one if you're in a relationship what's that you wouldn't hang out with the opposite sex if

05:14:09.720 you're in a relationship like one-on-one of course are you like communicating with them texting them

05:14:16.600 i text my friends like in in a like regular this is not worth truthfully though it's just not worth

05:14:21.640 investing in in like a opposite sex friendship really uh just because of the potential conflict when one

05:14:28.760 one or the other gets into a romantic relationship i think i feel like you don't need to have like

05:14:32.920 this deep best friendship with the opposite sex just to be friends like you can be like acquaintance

05:14:37.560 friends just having an association sure acquaintance is different i'm not saying you're having like

05:14:41.480 this best friend guy and you have a boyfriend too absolutely not well here's a worse one your

05:14:45.320 boyfriend should be here's here's somewhat related to this topic what about people that remain

05:14:50.840 friends with their exes that's no no like why why why would you let that temptation be there because

05:14:58.200 your friendship is part of a romantic relationship so if you're friends with your ex then you that

05:15:02.040 means you're still attached to them that's i just understand how it's wait so you are you

05:15:06.760 in favor of people staying friends with their no i'm saying friendship is part of your romantic

05:15:12.280 relationship so if you're still friends with your ex that means that you have an attachment to them

05:15:15.720 still they should be in your romantic relationship you know what they look like full circle

05:15:22.200 i think you should be on like good terms with an ex it shouldn't be hopefully you can end a

05:15:27.480 relationship in an amicable way but i don't think there should be like a continued any continued anything

05:15:34.920 you know so uh even if it's platonic or whatever um i have a couple chats that we need to get through

05:15:42.920 wait did we get around everybody on the money looks thing no i think i yeah i i legitimately do not

05:15:50.840 know like i it's there's pros and cons with both okay and i'm not at a point to decide right now

05:15:57.880 sarah looks or money i mean it's like one of those questions that i want to give a non-answer because it's

05:16:04.520 kind of a dumb question but i think that's a harsh is it a dumb question be nice he's from dubai

05:16:13.480 he's from dubai be nice to him probably asking because he has the money and not the looks maybe

05:16:18.920 maybe um hey i know i'm just saying he's both a very handsome man and he also has a couple bitcoins

05:16:26.680 if you think about it both are important in a relationship you have to be physically

05:16:29.960 attractive to your partner but you also want a man who provides oh yeah it's like because i

05:16:34.680 want to pick one or the other i want both because the obvious answer is like yeah both would be nice

05:16:40.840 so but i don't know i guess if it's like if i want a little more money a little less looks i think i

05:16:45.720 value money like a little bit more because i want someone who can provide and take care of me

05:16:49.640 we got a couple chats here we have steven glansberg 50 brixton and jake can you please explain the

05:16:54.520 nuances of why you say submissive women are preferred what exactly is the scope of what you

05:17:00.200 mean by submission can you provide examples well this isn't just a one directional thing uh it's not

05:17:06.520 just that men want submissive women women want leaders they want dominant men so it's not just like

05:17:14.280 this thing that men are like oppressing women this is a this goes both ways women want dominant

05:17:21.640 ambitious men who are leaders and providers and men want submissive uh submissive also when we say

05:17:29.080 submissive we don't necessarily mean like you know like like a slave you know it's not like that i

05:17:33.640 think submission is more submissive submissive to the will of the men so if there's a natural order

05:17:38.200 which is god over man man over woman woman of a child then that's something that actually works very

05:17:42.360 well and if your woman trusts you to the point where she submits to your will and she submits to your

05:17:47.640 decisions etc then that's what i mean i don't want them to have no personality i want them to have

05:17:51.560 passions interests hobbies read books be intelligent and all these sorts of things but also trust and

05:17:57.240 respect my will and submit to that will because i'm i would like to consider myself a benevolent leader

05:18:03.400 would that be within a marriage setting or also just some girl you just went on a few dates with

05:18:08.200 you're expecting her to be submissive in my um my current state i'm looking for something that's

05:18:13.240 i'm looking for marriage at the moment i'm not looking for like just to to date like at what point

05:18:17.720 does she submit um well i mean i guess that there would be an element of the masculine feminine in

05:18:23.640 the dating stage as well but once you get married then there's like you got to see where the kids are

05:18:27.880 going to school you got to be like there's so many just important decisions to make you know so i guess

05:18:33.640 i would agree but i think right away there are some guys who just expect like it's gotta be right

05:18:39.960 if you trust him then you'll naturally fall into those roles there's there's not a moment where you say

05:18:43.560 okay now you're submitting yeah you know can i ask like um like during dating if you guys are living

05:18:50.120 together um it just dating not married what like are the guys takes like do you expect her to like

05:18:56.840 be on the chores right away like yes right away as soon fucking first date come over do my fucking

05:19:02.440 laundry i would say um actually no she should do my laundry on the first date though i would say that

05:19:07.480 like if it depends it depends like if like for a guy for example from the first date i'm going to be

05:19:14.040 paying for the for the date and i'm going to be performing my masculine roles kind of like that

05:19:17.960 sort of uh mating signaling that you do and i think for a woman if if she came over you guys are dating

05:19:22.600 a little bit you've had a few dates and she comes and cleans your house and kitchen and does that sort

05:19:27.720 of signaling it's very attractive but i wouldn't live with a woman until i married her so yeah that's based

05:19:33.480 yeah i think from from the get-go listen i'll load the laundry i'm a nice guy you can fold it cool uh i would

05:19:49.560 on demand foot massages back rubs back rubs are necessary back rubs back scratches

05:19:59.000 um and she's got a bow let's show this go ahead nick boom huge did you see the fucking bow huge did you

05:20:12.200 see boom the shoes look attentive guys attentive yep fold it yeah fold it well done dear i support this

05:20:22.920 boom oh my god look at the the food's ready i just got home from a grueling podcast look she's got

05:20:29.480 in me the the drink i don't need i'm good at the noodles i'm a nice guy i'm a nice guy i don't need

05:20:35.640 her to do that shit with the noodles i can do that myself but look at the attentiveness and then the

05:20:40.040 little one more time nick show the bow just hit play you can just hit play it should replay great

05:20:45.640 boom boom look at that i need bowing in my life um did i say uh yeah so i think yeah yep why are you

05:20:55.960 looking at me that way why are you looking at me look at she's she's staring daggers at me what do

05:21:01.560 you mean this is that's respect i know you're joking you wouldn't bow you wouldn't bow for your

05:21:10.920 boyfriend or husband why is that you're being very insensitive to japanese and asian culture okay i'm

05:21:19.320 very i think you're a little racist yeah i think you might be a little racist to to take offense to

05:21:26.760 the bowing thing i'm going to introduce it racist while you're being sexist how is that wait how okay

05:21:32.120 all right here we go how how am i being sex gloves are off let's go obviously i know you're joking but if

05:21:36.840 you weren't that sexist how let's say let's say because because you should bow to god only like

05:21:43.320 you should bow to god literally already described the hierarchy i'm not bowing to the person no it's

05:21:48.120 god right i'm man man man man child i'm bowing to god not the man okay remove the religion component

05:21:57.240 from this there's nothing wrong with the little bow okay if you remove the religion component i don't

05:22:01.800 even know why i would i would bow to a man at all like that makes it even worse that makes it like

05:22:06.280 of course not so you would never if what about there's christian japanese women they bow to their

05:22:11.960 husbands i don't know about what they're doing i'm talking about myself you just don't you just find

05:22:15.720 it weird you would just never even if your man who you loved asked you like bow for me you just

05:22:20.360 wouldn't of course not give me a little bit absolutely not no i only i would only bow on this earth

05:22:25.800 to god that's it i think you're it's not that deep bruh it's not that deep but it's not that deep

05:22:34.680 it ain't that deep even like a play like something playful like not serious

05:22:40.120 now everyone's playfully balling sarah you wouldn't bow your boyfriend meets he's perfect i just don't

05:22:48.040 think i would date someone to be like can you bow for me yeah that's like that's like i just

05:22:51.960 not strange no not strange not strange well hold on wait wait wait wait wait hold on hold on

05:23:03.800 hold on you guys are all christian correct

05:23:09.960 you all want a man to propose to you correct you want a man to get down on one knee correct

05:23:15.320 checkmate checkmate checkmate i ain't ever getting down on a fucking knee to propose first

05:23:24.200 off i don't believe in marriage no marriage sorry that's not bowing but i ain't getting down

05:23:29.160 on the knee you want hold on so you're saying you want a man to get down on the knee spend ten

05:23:33.560 thousand dollars on a ring that costs a hundred dollars more wait oh my god

05:23:40.200 doesn't matter what attracts women is pre-selection other women's interest think

05:23:51.320 about the bouncer at the strip club and t google guy which one gets girls yo guys puffy vegas is a

05:23:59.080 fucking g thank you puffy vegas hold on let's talk about the cost of a ring here

05:24:04.280 you said ten thousand's not enough for a ring so no no no don't walk it back

05:24:13.640 brixton remember me my friend i'll come back sometime in the future when bitcoin crashes to

05:24:19.160 kick someone off the show dot xd thank you math math to me i first off i appreciate your tts and

05:24:24.920 your patronage thank you i think this is this your first time uh sending a tts your name's new so uh

05:24:31.480 don't know why don't you do this though uh just send me a dm send me a dm um i i try to chat with

05:24:38.840 you know some of the you know the patrons and stuff and we're gonna get oh guys we're gonna get a discord

05:24:43.400 going and that's gonna be uh coming soon um going around the table how much do you think a guy should

05:24:49.720 spend on a wedding ring starting with sarah who said ten thousand's not enough i was joking but i

05:24:56.040 don't even know how much rings cost if i'm being honest i've like never looked into this so i don't

05:25:02.120 know not from walmart or pandora but would you be upset if a if a man spent two hundred dollars

05:25:07.640 on the wedding ring is that too little yes that's just tacky corp okay okay i honestly i'm not really um

05:25:19.560 um the uh i don't really know a lot about the prices of stuff because

05:25:27.960 financially i'm not don't they say three months

05:25:31.160 yeah they say it's a quarter of the year salary i i really i genuinely i think this is potentially

05:25:35.800 why people can say that they they don't want to answer the question of like looks or money because

05:25:39.720 you actually don't know what it costs to have a wedding ring to have a family to send your kids to

05:25:44.600 school like if you if you're not making enough money to live a comfortable life it's gonna it's

05:25:49.240 like gonna be depressing yeah so well but i couldn't i couldn't put a price tag on it it's not shallow

05:25:53.880 you know i mean like i'm not gonna like down myself for not knowing these things i am only like

05:25:59.480 a sophomore in college i'm still trying to figure out the rest of the world like just okay here i'll

05:26:04.200 help no i like would you be upset if a man spent fifty dollars on your wedding ring um

05:26:14.760 yeah what about you um i how much should a man spend on the wedding ring i don't really know

05:26:24.760 what would be like a cap amount but like probably less than 500 because weddings cost a lot of money

05:26:29.960 life cost a lot of money but i don't actually know a good number to say yeah i don't really

05:26:34.840 like the idea of a ring at all i think it's like a tradition i don't need in my life unless he really

05:26:40.840 wanted to i don't know there's something about it it's like oh we're comparing our rocks like i don't

05:26:48.200 know i don't also i'm sorry i want to add just really quick that i wouldn't see the value in the

05:26:52.040 money i would see it in like what if he knew me well enough to like get the right gold or the silver

05:26:56.440 like that type of thing yeah i think the value is more in like the actual action of it and it's

05:27:00.520 way bigger than a ring like the fact that you're proposing to me and want to spend the rest of your

05:27:03.400 life with me is way bigger than the cost of a ring holy shit did anybody just see kiki's head move

05:27:07.800 did anybody else see that just kidding okay anyways sorry i was trying to what about you uh how much

05:27:15.960 should a guy you've been married twice how much should a guy spend on a wedding ring and how many did

05:27:21.560 your two husbands spend on my first one my mom bought the ring because he was a book the second

05:27:29.720 one i think about three grand so i would say no more than like two grand what about you our little

05:27:36.200 communist senorita um yeah it's like an act of love so hunter donated one hundred dollars i better get

05:27:45.240 a dm too he only tipped two hundred dollars i tipped one thousand five hundred dollars and this is my

05:27:51.560 first night watching the show again hunter slayer uh you when i say dm me dm at whatever on instagram

05:27:59.560 not my personal ig thank you hunter i appreciate your patronage tonight thank you go ahead it's like an act

05:28:08.280 of love so i definitely want a big act of love i feel like she wants a big act of love

05:28:14.440 okay with like you fucking degenerate capitalist she wants absolute how much i'm sorry i'm sorry

05:28:21.480 capitalist materialist i think like i'd be happy with like 50k 50k the fucking the fucking communist

05:28:30.680 capitalism it's always the communist oh my god bro she wants the most wedding ring what do you

05:28:35.720 fucking what kind of communist are you i don't know i guess a bad one but like i'm not getting

05:28:41.080 married like like it's like an act of love you know what i mean and why would i want a small act

05:28:48.280 so you put your political beliefs aside for that moment hunter donated one hundred dollars

05:28:54.200 only for deaf curex is at the spot uh what is that what i don't know kerk's kerk's kerk's kerk's

05:29:01.560 kerk's okay uh here's the thing she's a capitalist when it benefits her and a communist when it

05:29:08.840 benefits her no but it's like if i'm getting married to someone like i know that they're

05:29:12.520 gonna have expectations on me too which is probably more like look based for me to maintain like

05:29:18.200 staying in shape and you know like being attractive and i think that needs to be like

05:29:22.440 compensated but like if you live in a communist society you can't do that

05:29:26.200 because everyone gets paid the same communist society so now you're happy with it though

05:29:31.160 wouldn't you rather yeah i would be happy with that and then you know what if you get nice things

05:29:34.840 in a capitalist society go ahead sarah wouldn't you rather him spend some of that money on like

05:29:39.000 a house like i don't know i just feel like that's a waste money personally it's just a ring

05:29:43.480 like you could put that towards like your children's tuition in the future you can put a

05:29:50.520 down payment on a house she wants a million he'll be rich hello i think she wants a million

05:29:55.000 now right so it's like so much disposable income that he can do all the providing plus

05:30:01.480 waste a bunch of money on a wedding ring that costs 20 to make um didn't you say like your love is big

05:30:10.440 so you need to be like 50k wouldn't you would you agree that you want your love to be priceless

05:30:15.160 10 000 plus and therefore the price of the ring wouldn't matter like you know what i mean like

05:30:20.040 people show acts of love all the time and i like big acts of love and i think in that sense like

05:30:26.040 in the context of a ring like but if it's priceless it could be any price like if you if

05:30:30.360 you see your love is priceless no i mean on a baseline there is a price and it's 50k and up i guess

05:30:39.480 a specific number okay 50k and up really really son maybe you should pay for the ring how about

05:30:49.640 that you ever think of that yeah 50k you gotta pay for the ring you gotta get down on your knee and

05:30:55.000 no yeah no yeah yes yes yes no i'm not paying for the ring

05:31:10.840 if you've done porn like can you really ask for uh for a guy to get it down on one knee and pay for a

05:31:17.480 ring yep like if you really i feel like you just you gotta you just gotta own it and just be like

05:31:24.760 look i'm not traditional just fucking okay if i was your soon-to-be fiancee i'd be like here's a ring

05:31:32.600 pop and just throw it in your direction oh that's why we wouldn't get married and you're not the type

05:31:36.600 of person that i would look for if you were to consider your options um i don't want to assume

05:31:44.360 anything about your current relationship but i would assume that being sleepy bear donated one

05:31:49.480 hundred dollars i spent more on this message than my wife's ring our commitment is more

05:31:55.640 important to both of us she's the best woman a man could ask for well then why are you just sitting

05:32:00.760 here watching a podcast and giving money like that's just like why would you not give that money

05:32:06.840 care more about me than your wife you go pay attention to your wife and send these girls

05:32:10.360 online maybe she's out and about his commitment to his wife transcends transcends first off the

05:32:17.800 fucking diamond business is a big fugazi it's a fucking to your credit it's a fucking corporate

05:32:26.120 corporate psyop wait what's the term for it it's a contrived it's contrived corporations have

05:32:35.640 fucking told you oh you gotta buy a ring blah blah blah diamonds do you know that they what's they

05:32:41.640 called they diamonds are actually quite uh abundant but they intentionally uh what's it called they

05:32:47.320 intentionally restrict the flow restrict the supply to like uh you know diamonds are not that uh rare

05:32:54.760 i heard that if you release all the diamonds in the world that they will be super valueless yeah

05:32:59.240 that they very little value i think like tanzanite or is that right tanzanite is the most rare stone

05:33:05.000 it's only found in tanzania which is like 100 times more rare than any diamond look same with valentine's

05:33:11.880 day which is coming up all these fucking bullshit holidays it's all to fleece your money it's so that

05:33:18.520 you can put money in the pockets of corporations so they can take your money and fleece you she's

05:33:25.640 laughing but sounds like you hate capitalism no i don't i i don't the problem with that i don't

05:33:31.320 hate capitalism i hate i hate uh what's the fuck what's the term uh i hate excess

05:33:39.720 corporate consumption excess excess consumerism uh there's another fucking term that's uh

05:33:48.040 uh maybe materials materialism materialism materialism consumerism uh corporations have

05:33:55.000 sold you on these holidays so they can sell you fucking chocolate and flowers and

05:33:59.880 fucking hallmark bullshit cards uh yeah it's all uh it's all i agree but have you guys do you guys know

05:34:07.640 the the movie casino with robert de niro joe pesci uh at the very beginning of the thing all the bright

05:34:15.400 lights all the fucking games and the the comp tickets it's all for them to take your money

05:34:22.840 that's what vegas is about it's all to take your money and that's what

05:34:28.200 fucking the the diamond industry they want to tell you this

05:34:36.360 yeah i'm saying it in a kind of humorous way he's cooking i'm cooking there's a lot of industries

05:34:41.160 like that it's true you sound like a conspiracy theorist though well it's not a conspiracy

05:34:44.600 earlier this is this is fucking uh capitalism 101 find a way to take their money it's awesome i love it

05:34:58.360 but you shouldn't be a sheep donated 100 here is how the ring thing works the ring grows with their love

05:35:06.040 the first ring i bought my wife 25 years ago was 150 upgraded 10 years later 5g last upgrade was six

05:35:14.840 figures you have to earn it with time that's fair i like that that's a good system that's good thank

05:35:22.200 you doc wait why because you didn't spend more than 150 on a way to be fair he's married you're not

05:35:31.880 yeah because i don't want to be married yeah i feel like it's within your means like 150 could be a

05:35:38.520 lot to a lot of people yeah but if you can't afford more than that you shouldn't be getting married

05:35:44.920 doc vanabless is like 89 years old that's probably inflation son that's probably right inflation 150

05:35:54.680 back then was like

05:35:59.160 i will be offended personally sleepy bear donated 100 he's back exactly i do care more about you brian

05:36:06.840 than the diamond industry not that it is saying much my love for my wife isn't measured in money

05:36:13.160 exactly she's here watching with me keep up the great show brian w's in the chat for sleepy bear and uh

05:36:20.280 and his wife mama bear i guess thank you sleepy bear appreciate it uh w's in the chat for uh the

05:36:27.000 the uh patronage and um thank you sir thank you uh okay we have one i'm gonna come back to the bowing

05:36:35.000 though don't think i've i got i had you guys in the trap don't think i forgot the chill 808 for something

05:36:40.600 to have worth it must have value if you give yourself away as a man or a woman then ask for someone to

05:36:46.440 find you worthy you will end up with unworthy relationships who treat you worthless exactly

05:36:52.200 that was beautiful chill 808 you're so poetic dude chill 808 fucking poet shakespeare in the flesh thank

05:37:00.200 you brother appreciate it

05:37:05.400 so you think it's sexist to uh want your girlfriend to bow i was making a joke because we were laughing at

05:37:11.960 the video i know you were you were joking no i'm i would be so like in love with a woman that bowed

05:37:18.200 for me why bro it's so based why are you why are you smiling like that while you say it it's the best

05:37:24.600 form of it's respect yeah why you battle the god not another person you can bow to your master like

05:37:31.320 your martial arts master or you can show a woman can show you respect in so many better ways than just

05:37:36.200 like what do you okay fine like what fine she can rub my feet and do my laundry that's why i know

05:37:41.640 you're joking no i'm serious bro no i know i'm saying ask my ex ex ask my laundry you can replace

05:37:48.200 bowing with doing your laundry i know you're joking no i i'm actually serious don't get me wrong i don't

05:37:54.360 need a bow but if a girl she's getting major brownie points if she's bowing i just feel like how could you

05:38:00.680 i might even spend two hundred dollars on a ring if she bows for me what why would you why would you

05:38:06.440 want to look at another human being and want them to bow to you i feel like they're just not like

05:38:10.040 probably why why don't you why don't you want that in your relationship this is why you're literally

05:38:16.280 laughing no i'm being serious would you bow to your woman brian no what are you fucking crazy what

05:38:21.560 do you sarah are you fucking crazy are you saying you don't respect her love her oh i love her i

05:38:25.800 respect her highest when she bows i'll say good girl okay all right let's go on what okay god relax

05:38:37.880 guys relax you guys know you like okay whatever guys go to whoa whoa hold on hold on hold on let me

05:38:45.880 finish my point here you object sarah and i think you objected and do you object alissa would you bow

05:38:53.400 if we were dating doc vener billy is donated one hundred dollars okay brixen i'm jen eggs i know

05:39:01.000 you're not 80 yet and blondie if you can't understand the significance of the ring you might as well

05:39:07.400 start investing in non-perishable cat food okay here you go sarah you're right you're so right no man

05:39:21.080 could ever want me because i don't want to ring from walmart like that's like basic standards that's

05:39:27.880 not even crazy i think you know 20 ring amazon is doable wait so okay would you bow wait where was

05:39:39.000 i going with this would you bow like give you a curtsy if yeah i mean that's a half measure

05:39:45.240 like when we're dancing like like show me your curtsy let's see i'll see if it's acceptable and if

05:39:51.080 it's acceptable we can talk like that wait one hold on just one sec let me add a

05:40:02.040 a little extra thing here can you say my lord while you're doing it go ahead okay let's see it

05:40:12.840 it my lord it's good curtsy's actually a great compromise yeah curtsy's very elegant what would

05:40:21.160 you would you curtsy would you do curtsy i like that if we're dancing yeah of course uh no dancing

05:40:25.560 into the mic sorry um what about the my lord no lord there's only one lord it's very game of

05:40:32.200 throny oh my god it's you know lords not yeah i know but i'm not gonna say that to someone else

05:40:36.440 i'm in a relationship with that's class sorry okay all right but okay look you guys you guys

05:40:43.480 want a guy to get down on his knee you want a man to kneel and i think kneeling that's

05:40:50.520 way lamer than a bow a kneel what does that mean there's so many different traditional things that

05:40:56.600 don't actually equate to reality like for example there's like tradition of like women wearing white

05:41:00.200 on the wedding day but men don't necessarily wear white but there's no reason why okay the actual

05:41:04.760 like we're talking about the actual movement think of the actual movement bro it's way more

05:41:10.520 weak okay it's very submissive getting kneeling you're looking up yeah oh baby it is it is gay

05:41:17.240 kneeling yeah kneeling yeah i think you asked that you asked the woman's father for her hand in

05:41:22.840 marriage and then that's it what's that you agree to it no kneeling and then you buy the wedding ring

05:41:28.280 it's just very submissive though what's the what's that quote about kneeling i'd rather you ask the

05:41:33.320 woman's father for her hand in marriage then live on my knees no that's what i'd do but you only

05:41:38.920 kneel once right but the bow would be and that kneel the kneel forever forever means a submission

05:41:47.800 to your wife it's like begging on your knees like please can i do one bow and that be the forever

05:41:54.600 to be fair that is the one time the man puts himself in that position yeah and it's a pretty

05:41:59.480 important so that's like why it's significant because he's pursuing the woman and then when

05:42:04.120 she divorces him he's on both knees he is broken i thought he meant he is broken by the woman he

05:42:11.560 actually never gets up off that knee he stays on that knee the whole time at last at last he gets

05:42:22.680 down on both knees because he is broken by the woman the white man knee at last

05:42:32.200 the white woman breaks the white man's spirit

05:42:41.720 what am i doing i'm channeling something that might get me cancelled here

05:42:48.680 she you you divorce the man you divorce the man and then he ends up on both knees

05:42:55.320 why are you so pessimistic brian who hurt you well i'll tell you that uh here's the thing right uh

05:43:07.800 when a woman even if she's religious

05:43:13.160 when uh if she chooses she can a woman even if she's christian even even if she's catholic

05:43:19.960 she reserves the right at any time to become a feminist and then divorce the man and then

05:43:27.560 she can get alimony and all these other things and financially ruin him and uh

05:43:37.240 it's not about who hurt me it's about seeing that when religious women

05:43:43.880 get divorces they don't go to god they don't go to their priest they don't go to a pastor they don't

05:43:49.080 go to the church the state presides over your marriage not your religion and you will seek

05:43:57.960 recourse through the state and the state is going to say well community property alimony

05:44:07.320 so i'm good i'll pass on marriage good talk

05:44:09.720 do you have any do you have any suggestions on how uh religions intend to um uh address the

05:44:20.040 absolute corruption of the state of the family court system in this country well actually christian

05:44:26.840 marriages like the high statistic of people who stay together are a man and woman who pray together

05:44:31.800 every single night like there's statistics that show like christians who are actually practicing

05:44:36.440 their faith they stay married well the study at least marital problem the study you're referencing

05:44:42.440 about like something like one percent of or um the divorce rate is one percent among uh christian

05:44:49.640 couples who pray together i don't know how frequently they pray but they pray together i believe that was

05:44:55.080 done in the 1990s dustin underscore estimated 100 alissa is marriage material modestly dressed

05:45:03.240 conservative feminine and apparently humorous with the curtsy i throw my hat in for position

05:45:09.640 of husband number three coffee and chat for our first date do you accept like dustin are you more of a tea

05:45:18.440 tea you prefer tea no i'm a hot chocolate type of hot hot cocoa if he are you down though can by the

05:45:25.000 way i want to just say dustin um he he saved me from a uh like a raccoon attack once yeah that was

05:45:31.800 crazy yeah it was wild so i co-sign as a charity for lost dogs yep we'll see oh so the study you referenced

05:45:41.640 i believe it was in the early 1990s which was over 30 years ago very long time ago uh a lot has changed

05:45:49.560 in the culture since then chiefly social media dating apps and the proliferation of uh only fans right so

05:46:01.320 the dating marketplace the landscape hellscape has totally changed so the study that you referenced is

05:46:08.600 is so outdated i don't think it can apply to modern day um i think that if you're like a christian with

05:46:17.320 a relationship with god and that's what your marriage is based on you're not going to be participating in

05:46:21.880 only fans sorry right but and you're not going to be you know watching porn or like that's what having

05:46:28.280 a relationship with god is if you're actually pursuing your faith and taking it seriously so i don't think

05:46:33.560 those types of marriages have a high chance of divorce but i know you're an atheist so you probably

05:46:38.760 do have a high chance of divorce brian am i an atheist from what you've said on this show he's been

05:46:43.400 reading he's been reading i look i i'm a man of god however but you don't have to get married i don't think

05:46:51.640 anyone has to get married or anything i'm a man i am a man of god however the state of marriage is untenable

05:46:58.280 untenable for men in the west and women no well it's where do you look for the women that you're

05:47:06.360 pursuing where do i look yeah like passport bros they're going to different countries

05:47:11.240 yeah so if you if you're only looking at the women around this like every time you have a show

05:47:15.320 nickelodeon donated one hundred dollars yeah alissa seems okay i'm a chad engineer that likes

05:47:22.680 demeaning my gfs can i get in line for husband number wow alissa is really popular

05:47:31.720 okay she's have you sworn off marriage is it are you just done with marriage i'm i jesus would have

05:47:37.640 to walk me down the aisle at this point guys grow a beard and grow your hair out that's the only way um

05:47:45.160 um yeah i mean who said passport bros was that yeah i've been referred to as a passport bro many

05:47:52.280 times really for coming to the i thought people are fling because last year for example i traveled

05:47:56.200 to like maybe like 20 different countries or so and i did do a little bit of dating

05:48:01.640 here and there and then people often ask me what's the mo what is the best sort of nationality for a

05:48:06.840 woman and i've come to the conclusion that it's a woman who fears god that's it because if you date an

05:48:12.920 atheist woman then she just doesn't have the sense of accountability and she doesn't understand

05:48:17.880 the relationship between man and woman she doesn't understand what it means to be in that unity

05:48:22.840 and but if you date christian women they're really aware of it like really lucidly aware of it so

05:48:28.760 i'd say that you're probably right about that but i mean maybe this this study would have um

05:48:33.560 been a bit well yeah marriage is like a really difficult thing so honestly i just don't see if you

05:48:38.120 don't have god at the center of your relationship yeah i think it has a really high chance of

05:48:42.680 failing for both sides well i mean i can think of some examples but uh it's not clear to me if uh

05:48:49.960 even people who are devoutly religious at any time you can always change your view on things

05:48:58.280 you can always you as women you reserve the right to become a raging liberal feminist at any point in

05:49:05.640 your life you'd mess up so if you if you're with a really christian woman for example like a woman who's

05:49:10.440 waiting for marriage and then a few years down the line she becomes a raging feminist

05:49:14.680 you are a terrible like read of character because it like those values are something that are really

05:49:20.760 sort of fundamental to the person and it takes like a lifetime of training to sort of get yourself

05:49:25.880 there and to then turn it around it'll be like a massive spiritual shift for that person

05:49:29.880 i mean there's a lot of chance of that happening so i don't think your argument is very valid like

05:49:34.280 you're just talking like yeah a person can become anything with time but can you google the divorce

05:49:39.560 rates amongst among the various religious groups i'm just curious yeah well you mentioned before

05:49:45.080 like nominal christians though yeah like i don't even think those statistics would be valid i'm talking

05:49:49.480 about an actual spiritual relationship with god where they're pursuing anyone can say they're christian

05:49:54.200 or even go to church so they can still you know be watching porn on the side look that's fine the

05:49:58.920 reality is is that the divorce industry is a i don't know if it's it's a billion dollar industry

05:50:05.720 um there's you can pull it up nick uh could you make it a little bigger and make us smaller

05:50:15.640 yeah that's probably a little easier marital status can you make it bigger yeah uh that's fine

05:50:22.280 uh buddhist uh divorced okay scroll down evangelical protest wait but hold on scroll up what's the

05:50:31.560 title of this marital status is there something just for we'll keep it here um divorced 14 for

05:50:39.880 protestant next hindu small historically black protestant 19 jehovah's witness 12 jewish 9 mainline

05:50:50.600 protestant 7 muslim 8 marmon 7 unaffiliated religious nuns is unaffiliated atheist or yeah

05:51:01.320 religious nuns usually means i think unaffiliated they're less

05:51:07.080 snake donated 100 for the rings i bought my wife a 400 ring after x years of marriage i got her a

05:51:15.800 thirty thousand dollars ring she was with me when i was grinding and she's rewarded when we're coasting

05:51:22.440 gold ding to your own grave and gold ding to your own grave and gold ding gold digging gold dig

05:51:32.760 bummer life okay well that's nice of him you know he upgraded the ring i don't think it's gold digging to

05:51:38.200 want a man who's financially stable enough to afford it it's a waste of money you can be financially

05:51:43.800 stable and then if anything it shows your financial like stability by choosing to like

05:51:49.720 buy something that's less expensive because you know it's not necessary yeah it's practical because

05:51:53.000 like you don't need a ten thousand dollar ring but like you could have ten grand in the bank but it's

05:51:57.480 like i'm not gonna spend that on a ring i'll spend it on something useful you know what i mean like

05:52:00.920 especially if no one's bowling in this situation you know yeah but you can be well off enough to get

05:52:05.000 married and like provide and have a family and house and all these things and not give someone

05:52:09.880 a ring that's more than it's necessary i don't know i would just question if a guy can really afford to

05:52:15.240 you know pay for part of a wedding a house you would know that you could know his finances and

05:52:20.360 yeah you would know his finances without being like oh if you can't afford a ring that means you

05:52:23.480 don't have yeah well i would just think he doesn't care that much but they're also if he's in his uh

05:52:27.960 if he spends like 100 i'm not even saying i think you should spend ten thousand i think that's

05:52:32.040 ridiculous i'm just saying a hundred dollars just seems kind of tacky but if he's in his mid to late

05:52:36.120 20s um there's also an element of investment that you want to sort of back a good horse because if

05:52:41.240 he's a guy who has potential in 10 years time to be something quite special and women can normally

05:52:45.320 sort of pick that then that's a good investment as well whereas in in their 20s they might not be

05:52:49.560 but they might have a really fierce entrepreneurial fire about them that you can see but it's probably

05:52:54.360 better to go for a guy like that that doesn't have as much money now but he's got a lot of

05:52:57.240 ambition than a guy who's sort of just coasting into a sort of a ceiling job so it's another thing

05:53:01.800 to think about i would agree but i also think you probably shouldn't get married to a woman

05:53:07.800 if you couldn't like potentially provide for a house absolutely but that isn't that's not part

05:53:12.920 of the ring question though like would you personally buy a ten thousand dollar object

05:53:16.760 when did i say ten thousand okay sorry like a thousand dollars i'm just saying not a hundred dollars

05:53:21.400 like i'm saying not because when i think of a hundred dollars i think you go to walmart and like

05:53:25.400 there's just no thought effort put into that at all like i want a man who wants to put effort

05:53:30.600 and you know get me something nice like you only get one i mean these i guess you can say oh i'm

05:53:35.320 upgrading the ring later but it's still like a pretty special thing i'd want a man to put a little

05:53:41.320 bit more effort it's like super cheap low effort no yeah i think it should the effort should be shown

05:53:47.000 in the ring and how like they pick it out like it actually matches who you are obviously you've heard

05:53:51.400 the stories of like guys getting a girl like a gold ring and she only wears silver her whole life

05:53:55.560 and it's just like oh you don't know me well that's a different conversation than like did you spend x

05:54:00.200 amount of money equals your love for me you know true look if you if you love each other you don't

05:54:05.640 need to spend um tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding ring to show it uh if you don't love each

05:54:13.160 other no amount of money will change or improve your relationship and the whole wedding ring thing these

05:54:19.240 holidays or you know valentine's day which is coming up it's got nothing to do with love i mean

05:54:24.840 it's just a commercial gimmick that's manufactured by corporations compelling men sometimes women too

05:54:31.960 to spend money on things they neither need nor want and i think it's kind of it's actually

05:54:38.680 counterproductive too because it almost makes it sound like men should only be romantic on this

05:54:42.600 random day that like hallmark decides rather than like you should just be romantic all the time like

05:54:49.240 like don't let's get back to the bowing though let's get back to the bowing okay first off

05:54:53.720 look again again i gotta tackle this y'all want to do to kneel but you won't bow we can talk about

05:55:01.640 what we're giving him like we're giving him like we're literally using our bodies what's that quote from

05:55:06.040 who's the what's the quote with the whole i'd rather live on my knee wait what is it i'd rather

05:55:12.040 die on my feet than live on my knees i'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees

05:55:17.560 who said that chat anybody in three seconds what is the proposal that was like nothing though

05:55:24.280 loose energy donated 100 these feminists have such a problem with bowing but we'll let chad's

05:55:31.480 slash tyrone's nut on their face hey you stole this from you stole this from me cats brian abdul is

05:55:38.680 sending a large order of rocks hashtag free nick number eight at 18. get the rocks yeah get the

05:55:46.920 rock get the rocks oh free nick i don't think that's fair because the people who are answering that

05:55:52.200 question are the ones that are in that industry i i coined this a couple shows ago but you well you'll

05:55:59.560 have women typically like more liberal women who like but they're feminist right who like i don't need

05:56:05.880 no man and like would never be like recoil at the thought of being submissive to a man or um

05:56:16.360 doing a battle for example not even about they just don't they want to be independent boss babes they

05:56:21.320 they're not open to following the man's lead being submissive whatever

05:56:24.520 they will gladly let a man come on their face though what the fuck like i just want to bow but

05:56:36.040 oh you'll let a dude blast like would you bow you wouldn't power yeah honestly if somebody asked me

05:56:44.600 like yeah i mean i can be like pretty submissive like okay all right it doesn't apply to you but

05:56:49.960 there's definitely like women out there who are like i don't want to do to come on their face but

05:56:55.960 oh no he wants a bow an innocent bow that's where they draw that's where they draw the line

05:57:03.160 i love the bow thing everybody is very upset with the bowing i don't know i think it's kind

05:57:07.160 of hot like the bowing thing like i think it could be like a hot thing i don't know all right she's

05:57:13.400 redeemed her the communist has redeemed herself but you also don't have like mutual respect views with

05:57:17.880 your partner right like they you're out with other guys while he's at home so like i feel like

05:57:23.640 that opinion it only goes so far in the sense of like what you would or wouldn't do it's okay it's

05:57:28.280 a w i'm just saying you've got a w on this one i hate to do this but i have like a really long drive

05:57:34.120 we are give us five minutes we're gonna i promise we're wrapping up here in just a sec i didn't want

05:57:38.600 to be that yeah no i'm just gonna read a couple things and then we're gonna wrap uh curtis leone brian

05:57:43.720 in keeping with the show hold on let me pull it up brian in keeping with the show theme today you're

05:57:48.040 sentenced to soviet gulag for 10 years but you can get released if you breed leila and she gets to

05:57:53.160 broadcast it live on her of would you do it i mean this is such a great curtis you send me these

05:57:59.800 scenarios he dms me once a week these scenarios with this girl named leila who's been on the show

05:58:06.120 who i she just i mean i've turned her down uh it was she was doing a bit but basically she's done

05:58:14.760 uh content with a man she's had sex with a man on camera and for me that's a deal breaker like you

05:58:21.640 there's no going back from that so um he's asking me what if i was would i have sex with her

05:58:27.960 if i was in a soviet prison camp for 10 yes i would to get out of 10 years of

05:58:37.560 fucking hard labor in a soviet gulag in the in the where's the cold area of russia

05:58:45.640 siberia thank you uh yes i would i would have intercourse with with leila it's disgusting

05:58:52.440 wait what's disgusting you would do that you give away your soul

05:58:59.240 bro send this girl to the gulags let's see what she's let's see what she's ready to do to get out

05:59:05.160 that yes i would have i would have sexual intercourse and he said breed so yes i would

05:59:11.000 i suppose i would impregnate uh that would be another form of slavery i suppose a little brian

05:59:16.680 running around little little little brian okay um but yes i would really you wouldn't do the trade

05:59:27.640 she'd be offering it up on a period siberian hard labor camp is my soul never i don't even know who

05:59:34.600 that is how i'm trying to think what would be the course what about if it was brian

05:59:39.960 what the wow oh that's uh thanks jake thank you appreciate it soviet go like it is

05:59:53.720 i gotta push back a little bit on this hold on so you're okay just to debate you wouldn't have you

06:00:00.200 you wouldn't you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with me to get to get out to get out of siberian

06:00:10.760 hard labor prison are you marrying me first yeah sure why not okay i'll do that oh so that's that's

06:00:17.000 the that's the the what's it called he said sure why not i guess i can marry you um it's proviso

06:00:26.200 yeah get her a good ring should we open this up to the ladies like would you ladies no to get out

06:00:33.160 of hard labor bro these it just doesn't make you know it's funny i've done like i i did a social

06:00:41.640 experiment way back in the day where i i had like legit a thousand dollars cash on me and

06:00:49.720 well i go the social experiment was as a woman are you willing to shave your head for a thousand

06:00:55.400 dollars oh never right no i i don't think that's totally unreasonable but like when when i that's

06:01:00.760 all i had on me for the social experiment to see if any women like literally here's cash pay you a

06:01:05.720 thousand bucks dudes dudes would do that for a hamburger um should they probably do for free

06:01:10.840 yeah free haircut let's go uh but then i like i hypothetically kept bumping it up and there were

06:01:18.840 literally women who said they would not shave their head for a million dollars i kid you not which to me

06:01:25.400 is like the most no offense ladies is like the most brain dead fucking how like you wouldn't shave

06:01:32.520 your fucking head for a million and then i asked them well what do you do for work oh i i'm a server

06:01:37.400 i make 17 an hour i'm like so you're saying you're you would what would take 10 minutes of time and you

06:01:45.800 could buy the fanciest wig and you would regrow within a couple years you'd be how much would it how

06:01:52.760 much does it take someone to make let's say you make fifty thousand dollars a year that's 20 years

06:01:57.720 of labor that you i'm sorry some of you okay it's just that a thousand is different than a million

06:02:03.880 no but they turn down the hypothetical million they wouldn't even do it they would not buzz their hair

06:02:08.600 off for a million dollars and i want to go around the table on this would you buzz your hair off for a

06:02:13.960 million dollars yeah okay all right i probably should have asked that for life yes there's wigs

06:02:21.960 yes it goes back 100 sure yeah i shaved my head in high school so okay britney spears over here yes i

06:02:29.240 would i shouldn't have gone on my whole that's too easy that's too easy i'm not kidding you though i

06:02:36.520 never released the footage because it was kind of like a dumb ass idea i was like oh let's see

06:02:41.000 uh yeah it's fine but we have the footage like almost every single woman when we asked for a

06:02:48.200 million would you and they said no and i was like okay all right i don't know how i how did we get

06:02:54.520 there what were we talking about having sex oh the fucking okay yeah this is crazy like yeah you would

06:03:01.400 you say it but you'd probably have yeah okay whatever uh okay we have sleepy bear a ring does

06:03:08.200 not reflect wealth you know if your fiancee is financially stable long before ring i bought

06:03:12.520 my wife a prairie diamond for three dollars she wears it with pride hey sleepy bear appreciate

06:03:17.640 it man thank you very much we have fally coming in here in just a sec

06:03:22.120 fally my bad not that layla commands respect with the stuff she said on the panel but my apologies

06:03:33.560 for the butchering the name have a good night y'all what's this in reference to i'm not sure

06:03:39.320 yo fally appreciate it man thank you thank you we have cj here cj here here's how you can tell

06:03:46.120 tell daphne is fake af google her of handle no account needed it says she's currently online her

06:03:52.760 post count increased during the show she's making enough to pay a management company to con simps

06:03:59.880 explain how that's not fraud i don't have a manager oh hunter donated one hundred dollars

06:04:07.880 my guy are you wrapping it up or not you said you were 20 minutes ago you're just reaching now

06:04:14.120 wow the girls probably have to get home i just gotta do these chats i don't know what to say to

06:04:19.320 that why don't you just stop watching like you don't have to uh did you want to did you want to

06:04:25.160 respond to cj here i don't know i don't know what to say i mean do you have a typer

06:04:32.920 no i don't know what to say to that okay all right aaron chambers shout out from tuscaloosa alabama

06:04:38.840 we may be from the south but we know what a man and woman is i don't join tribes but when i do i

06:04:43.240 vote trump 2024 california is the ideologue state no critical thinking i was 12 year democrat then i

06:04:50.600 grew up aaron chambers thank you are you talking about comifornia is that or california stan as i

06:04:59.560 like to call it thank you man appreciate it okay uh last things here before we wrap um for the

06:05:06.200 communist do you have any other hot takes no question for you

06:05:15.720 what is a woman

06:05:19.160 um someone who presents as a woman someone who identifies as a woman can you can you define

06:05:27.480 that without using the word woman like can you define woman without using the word woman

06:05:33.480 no

06:05:37.960 i guess just someone who identifies as a cell okay okay i'm gonna do a rapid fire last

06:05:46.840 some hot takes from me rapid fire and then we're gonna wrap up the show and then i want you guys to

06:05:52.840 uh respond if you have to um wait hold on and do you do you have a hard out like no no i'm just you

06:06:00.280 can you go for another five ten minutes you good i know i said five minutes five minutes ago but

06:06:05.400 that's okay i swear i swear okay hold on uh let's see okay if anybody disagrees with any of the following

06:06:15.640 feminism is not about equality it's about securing benefits for women

06:06:20.600 anyone want to argue with me on that false i mean if you're talking about modern feminism then

06:06:25.640 then maybe but true feminism is not well they're hijacking when when was it true feminism in the

06:06:34.200 very beginning the very fundamental purpose of feminism what's the definition of feminism

06:06:39.320 i disagree though what's the what's the definition of sure well okay i'll give you the most generous

06:06:44.200 definition i have of it now what i actually think feminism is is quite frankly a man-hating ideology

06:06:51.400 sure i can agree that that's what modern feminists well i think it's always been that way but um

06:06:57.960 always what yeah always what happened in the always look up seneca falls you think women wanting to

06:07:04.200 vote is like anti-men no that's not what i said i said feminism has and is anti-men has been and is

06:07:13.640 anti-man you just think it started off that way absolutely do you think we should repeal the 19th

06:07:18.040 no i'm i'm uh i'm not that hardcore i i'm uh i believe women should have the right to vote however

06:07:25.720 speaking of the 19th amendment which is kind of related to you're saying that you know

06:07:32.120 so the definition oh so okay the most generous definition i get feminism is feminism is a woman's

06:07:38.920 advocacy movement it's not it's never been about equality for what women's it's been about women's

06:07:47.320 advocacy now feminism isn't is not about equality and here's why feminists will only pursue equality

06:07:55.240 if said equality stands to benefit women if if they were they will not pursue some form of equality

06:08:03.320 if that equality could conceivably or otherwise would be to the detriment of women here's a perfect

06:08:10.760 example in florida the national organization for women one of the leading feminist uh organizations

06:08:18.200 very mainstream feminist organizations uh fought against a bill to i believe it was to equalize

06:08:25.400 child custody between both parents that would be equality uh that's one example let's go back to

06:08:31.640 for example you mentioned the 19th amendment women were able to secure the right to vote without the

06:08:35.960 corresponding responsibility which was the genesis of men getting the right to vote which was their

06:08:44.040 they're being subject to forced military conscription for the longest period of human history men didn't

06:08:49.800 have the right to vote either men got the right to vote before women because they had more responsibilities

06:08:55.320 than women did through forced military conscription what happened right before women got the right to vote can

06:09:03.320 anybody tell me please in the in the 1910s prohibition like amendment order okay night look from nine uh

06:09:12.440 from 1914 to 1918 what happened world war one jake kind of sorry preempted that but that's fine it's fine

06:09:19.160 okay so it's very convenient that women waited until after one of the most deadly and brutal wars to secure

06:09:25.160 their to uh secure their right to vote well really it was men pushing for women to vote

06:09:30.840 well that's not what the suffragettes want i don't think that we should ever men and women are

06:09:37.080 different that's it doesn't mean that they shouldn't have the right to vote just because they don't

06:09:40.840 have the same exact exact responsibilities as well uh no no but but if we're talking about if you're

06:09:48.920 talking about like on a more like social level perhaps i agree with you however what is what is

06:09:56.600 put down by the government this i'm failing how you can make an argument that women are should have

06:10:07.720 a right provided to them by the government without the corresponding responsibility that enabled men to

06:10:14.600 have access to the vote which was through forced military conscription and to this day in order for a

06:10:19.800 man to be able to vote in 2024 he must register with the selective service if he doesn't it's a felony

06:10:28.040 if he doesn't it's a 250 000 fine it would uh it would preclude you from getting certain federal jobs

06:10:35.400 certain government jobs it would preclude you from getting financial aid if you wanted to uh you know

06:10:42.120 be able to go to school so feminism has always attempted to secure privileges for women without

06:10:50.440 the corresponding responsibilities do you not support the woman's right to vote or do you i do

06:10:55.560 okay but you were able to secure it you were able to secure it without the corresponding responsibility

06:11:02.360 which is the genesis of feminism i'm asking i asked that for a reason because i want to know why

06:11:06.200 you support a woman's right to vote because it occurs to me that that's the egalitarian thing

06:11:11.880 and i'm an egalitarian so it is a good thing that women have the right to vote yeah you're trying to

06:11:16.520 get me on the gotcha but i believe women should have the right to vote now you should what do you mean

06:11:20.760 why well you're arguing that there's some there isn't a corresponding responsibility and therefore

06:11:25.800 that's why women shouldn't have had the right to vote at that time but now i'm asking you if if you

06:11:30.280 agree with that stance then why do you support women's right to vote now well i it's not that i

06:11:36.360 think we need to walk back women's right to vote i think it's an injustice that you did not that women

06:11:42.520 were not made subject to military conscription i can understand that you would you would feel that way

06:11:47.800 i just feel like there's differences in men and women and the right to vote shouldn't be entirely

06:11:52.680 based on that prescription it absolutely should i don't think it should be because there's other

06:11:56.760 responsibilities as a citizen that you would have even if i can see you still have the right to

06:12:00.760 to speak in our what government so so explain to me what is the corresponding government force that

06:12:09.960 is placed on women that coincides that is in some conceivable way commensurate to forced military

06:12:18.760 conscription explain that to me there isn't one there isn't one i've already i've already i've already

06:12:23.080 pointed out that there's other responsibilities that women have as citizens feminist secured

06:12:30.920 we're still citizens in this country is that so we should have the right to vote for other reasons

06:12:35.000 besides just one which is the militant prescription but there is no women don't have a corresponding

06:12:41.960 there's not this there's not even a social there's not even a civil like a so what's the term for

06:12:49.320 uh the civil service women don't even have to do that there is no civil service what is the reason

06:12:55.080 explain the reason to me we're different men and women are different but that doesn't mean we

06:12:59.240 shouldn't have the equal according to feminists but i'm not making that argument i'm not a modern

06:13:03.960 fake feminist they're not true feminists they stand for putting men down and claiming that we should

06:13:09.160 have more rights than men that's not feminism so when you say feminist i literally don't hear modern

06:13:15.160 feminists i hear original feminism which had a very specific and very simple goal to have equality

06:13:20.840 with men in the law and that was the right to vote right but and to eventually like have a debit card

06:13:27.160 and have a job and do certain things that right and in today's society there's no right that the man

06:13:32.280 has that the woman correct yeah except i've already explained this before but except for the right to

06:13:36.920 life we don't have equal right to life okay we already talked about that but again so my position on

06:13:43.400 this is that military conscription ought to be equalized women should be subject to military

06:13:49.800 conscription do you think having women be in the military like forced into combat and deployed is an

06:13:55.960 idea if they're not even like no but here's the difference um first off uh man created uh or

06:14:05.480 excuse me god created what is it the holy fuck i'm sorry guys i'm butchering it uh god created

06:14:12.040 man unequally smith and wesson uh smith and wesson uh fuck it holy fuck how am i i'm sorry guys

06:14:18.200 nick can you google it i've already butchered it maybe somebody in the chat what's the whole

06:14:21.720 equalization with smith smith and wesson um women are capable women make excellent snipers women are

06:14:28.440 capable of i don't disagree hold on hold on no no no but hold on i i will grant you that yes absolutely

06:14:35.160 there are differences between men and women i think though for if if you want to be equals

06:14:41.080 women should be subject to military conscription and they can be in support roles

06:14:45.560 but not allowing women to be subject to military military conscription is a great injustice i could i

06:14:53.080 can see myself being convinced of that you make a good point on that in that aspect but when you're

06:14:57.480 talking about like deployable and like the men and women are the same in this regard that they should

06:15:01.720 they should both do that in order to have the right to vote i don't agree with but i could i

06:15:05.080 could get on board with the last thing you said but then who are we fighting for if we're all just at

06:15:08.280 war and no one's home well there's there's people of typically the drafting age i i don't know the

06:15:13.400 exact drafting age and who's taking care of all the kids they're not drafting like 35 year olds their

06:15:18.200 draft they if there was a draft they're drafting 18 19 20 20 what if they have kids why would you take

06:15:23.320 away both parents well i'll tell you this much if there was if there was a draft a lot of women would

06:15:29.320 all of a sudden start getting pregnant and actually a funny thing even women who are volunteers in the

06:15:34.120 military as soon as that deployment notice comes all of a sudden a lot of women get pregnant

06:15:42.040 maybe because that doesn't design no you get a lot of a lot of female soldiers get pregnant

06:15:48.280 intentionally to avoid deployment look i just don't think that equates to the right to vote

06:15:55.000 but what do you do what do you mean what do i do we're still you can't argue you're not even

06:16:02.200 talking about the points i'm making where we pay taxes we're citizens those are still

06:16:06.360 like completely equal situations that we have with but okay here we need to have an equal right

06:16:11.000 to say as a man as a man any man in this country in order to be able to vote you need to be subject

06:16:19.080 to military conscription yes and we are different no yes we are not in this regard well we are women

06:16:26.920 ought to be subject to no there's not women yes but you guys did away with that feminists did away

06:16:33.480 with it hey don't blame it on me yeah that's not that's not real feminism that's not an accurate

06:16:37.640 representation of feminism feminism today says all the kind of things of the antithesis of equality

06:16:42.760 so i don't believe that modern day feminists women can women can function in the military i don't

06:16:48.520 think that we should be putting women on the front lines but women can be in support roles i already

06:16:54.200 told you i i could agree with that right and you should be subject to military conscription and the

06:16:58.200 draft and if there ever is one you can be in the support brian i have a question who voted in the 19th

06:17:04.040 amendment men or women how's that how's that because women couldn't even vote it in so men did this

06:17:09.960 why'd you do that why'd you give well because you're saying by prep i mean i mean honestly

06:17:15.640 obviously because only men could vote so it was men who brought in the 19th amendment at the time

06:17:21.880 and so you did this to us i mean i don't i don't believe in viewing it as this like

06:17:28.120 you guys know that like the original feminists were vehemently anti-christian

06:17:33.000 yeah honestly i think it was fine before like i would be totally fine with that if everything

06:17:37.880 stayed the same because at that time it was like the man was voting for the household the whole

06:17:41.720 doctrine of like anti of feminism in the early days was very anti-christian they thought that

06:17:47.000 they wanted to destroy christianity because they thought that the only way to liberate the woman was

06:17:51.640 to destroy christianity that's not true for all early feminists there might have been a lot of

06:17:57.480 they were also terrorists if you look at like like you can like i've recognized this book before

06:18:02.200 there's a book called occult feminism by rachel wilson and she goes through all of the basically like

06:18:07.720 the major early suffragettes and feminists vehemently anti-christian much of many of them

06:18:13.800 actually practiced a lot of like witchcraft and and like blood magic and all that sort of stuff

06:18:18.280 and a lot of them um married very powerful men like like your rockefellas and these sorts of guys who

06:18:24.440 would then go and fund these movements to and with the intention in mind of destroying christianity

06:18:28.920 and creating a new world religion it's all very well documented so when you say you ideologically

06:18:34.200 align with the early feminists would you say that you ideologically align with those people or is

06:18:38.200 there anyone in particular who you can i say i align with the original version of feminism do you know

06:18:44.200 much about the original version of feminism i don't like susan b anthony yeah i don't exactly i don't

06:18:47.960 align with specific feminists who were everything the antithesis of feminism i'm talking about the

06:18:53.560 original feminism yeah exactly susan b anthony this perfect example of someone who was a true feminist who

06:18:59.000 actually stood for equality was pro-life and said you know we don't need abortion to be equal to men

06:19:05.160 but we should have some level of equality in the law and have a right to vote because our vote matters

06:19:11.320 and our voices matter yeah but okay so should it okay here's why men got the right to vote before women

06:19:20.360 and again for the vast majority of human history both men and women didn't have access to vote you had

06:19:26.680 kings and queens and tyrants and monarchs and all this sort of thing so one of the reasons men got

06:19:32.840 access to the vote before women and it was a for a very short period of human history uh women caught up

06:19:39.000 very quickly again it was because of military conscription if your representatives could send

06:19:45.800 just you to war then and not women that was the that was the basis of why men got the right to vote

06:19:54.520 before women i understand that but we're talking about a different basis for women you can look at

06:19:59.400 other countries and say that you know there's not a right to vote for women for other specific reasons

06:20:04.200 and do you agree with a woman not having the right to vote like that's what i'm saying i can't i don't

06:20:08.600 know can't speak to the specifics of those countries but sure but that's what makes us unique as the

06:20:13.640 united states of america is that we do value freedom you keep trying to get me in a gotcha again i'll

06:20:18.440 reiterate again yes i think women should vote but i i'm not trying i'm not trying to walk back the

06:20:24.520 women's right to vote i'm trying to say it's an injustice that men are subject to military

06:20:29.320 donated 100 dollars she just said you did this to us really men did this to themselves not you

06:20:37.800 you got included when you got the right to vote men voted men in tell me you don't know what a logical

06:20:44.440 fallacy is look the reality is um i believe i don't know thank you uh sach88 the reality is i mean

06:20:54.360 there i do think eventually the i forgot the there's some they've they've tried to bring legal cases

06:21:02.840 against this uh discrimination against men when it comes to uh the military draft they frankly it needs to

06:21:09.960 be uh equalized are you against that i'm not against it no i could see myself supporting it

06:21:16.840 i already i already told you that about your the position so wait what are we arguing about well i

06:21:21.160 said that i said hypothetically i could agree with you but but i still i still think that we're talking

06:21:26.600 about the difference between the original decision that women had the right to vote and then you're

06:21:31.480 talking about like a modern day fix to women being like drafted and everything so we're kind of talking

06:21:37.480 about two different no but okay this all stems from me saying that feminism is not a true equality

06:21:41.720 movement it only seeks to secure uh privileges and preferential treatment for women so you okay do you

06:21:49.960 think that rights come with responsibilities and duties absolutely okay women were able to secure a

06:21:56.680 right without a corresponding duty okay corresponding to men but corresponding to the united states government

06:22:02.680 we are citizens we pay taxes we have a right to speak and under the constitution yes and

06:22:07.320 under the government under the government i can't i i don't know how else to explain this

06:22:13.480 it doesn't have to be equal to to yes it does though it does yes it does different that's irrelevant

06:22:19.400 equality of the right to vote shouldn't be gender-based there there's litter what's there's a the there's a

06:22:25.400 clause i don't know if it's in the constitution or an amendment but the anti is it an anti-discrimination

06:22:31.000 hold on the anti-discrimination anti-discrimination in taxation without representation clause anybody in

06:22:41.320 the constitution uh what time is it trying to find it hold on

06:22:51.960 this whole trope like then shouldn't we just make the argument we could just as easily make

06:22:56.360 the argument that men and women are different ergo women should not have the right to vote

06:23:01.480 i already agree with you about your conscription no but if your position is that men and women are

06:23:07.080 different and that that you you have this women are you know damsels in distress and they're not

06:23:12.840 capable of providing providing or assisting in the war effort then at that time in history that's what

06:23:22.680 happened so we're either arguing that like what happened was wrong and then therefore you don't

06:23:26.680 agree with the woman's right to vote based on how it happened or you do and that's the reality of it

06:23:32.440 the women have the right to vote well i can't go back and undo history but like but would you if you

06:23:36.840 could no again i you keep trying to get me in a gotcha here because but i'm in favor i'm in favor of

06:23:42.840 women voting okay but you don't want them to vote unless they have that but it's it's curious to me that

06:23:48.840 women were able to secure a right without the corresponding responsibility

06:23:57.880 it could be curious but that's just what happened and i think there's still good reasons to have a

06:24:02.680 right to vote even if you're not part of that but i pay taxes i want to be able to vote on on how high

06:24:08.840 those taxes are there's other reasons to that you have responsibilities as a citizen to have the right

06:24:14.840 to vote so are men second class citizens no they're not well they absolutely are under the under this

06:24:20.040 current set they have a different conscription conscription than we do right now but there is no

06:24:24.920 corresponding uh government force that that is that like there's no civil service for women there is

06:24:35.800 nothing enforced by the government on women that corresponds to males duty to register with a

06:24:41.880 selective service and be subject to military conscription right which is why i agreed with

06:24:46.200 your your suggestion to do that otherwise we could also just get rid of it entirely obviously that's

06:24:50.760 just a right view but i you okay you offered this up in rebuttal to me saying that feminism

06:24:58.040 has never been about equality it's been about uh women's advocacy and securing benefits for women

06:25:06.920 would you agree that women being able to get the right to vote is a benefit i think it's a moral

06:25:14.280 it's a responsibility it's a right it can benefit you you can't benefit you it's honestly directly

06:25:21.160 a benefit okay so am i wrong to state that women were able to secure the vote without the corresponding

06:25:30.360 responsibility of being subject to military conscription the way that men did that's a

06:25:36.520 historical fact so regardless of whether men and women are different which i agree with you we are

06:25:42.680 you're trying you're offering that up in rebuttal to my statement that feminists attempt to secure

06:25:49.480 rights for women without any corresponding responsibility one example if you want to we

06:25:54.600 could talk about other things besides voting we've spent all this time on voting do you have any

06:25:57.560 other examples of things that women are trying to fight for i'm trying to think if there's anything

06:26:02.680 else uh well i gave you the uh not the uh national organization of women example with uh feminist

06:26:11.800 organizations will frequently fight uh when it comes to like the family court system they'll fight for uh

06:26:18.680 presumed 50 50 custody for example yeah i don't know i don't necessarily agree or disagree with that i mean i

06:26:25.080 i haven't really looked into that as much but i don't think that one feminist organization of our

06:26:31.640 modern day is representative of a true feminist movement okay but again i said that my view of

06:26:39.960 feminism feminist feminism is not an equality movement because it's always about securing benefits for

06:26:46.680 women what do you think is the current modern modern feminist of you is that the same thing you don't

06:26:51.560 think that yes because here here's why what would be equality equalizing military conscription in this

06:26:59.640 country so that's pretty much your your big crux like that's what you care about the most is this

06:27:03.160 is the military that's a major they go to die at war so it's pretty important absolutely but that

06:27:08.040 it that's a major i mean i'll give you more i'll give you i mean i want men not to do that then

06:27:14.600 like go to war are you a pacifist well here's the because of course war is bad but i recognize that

06:27:23.640 no you can never get rid of the draft because conceivably there could be some some uh scenario

06:27:29.480 on the world stage some military conflict that would require a draft to occur so no and it's not

06:27:34.840 even politically tenable to ever get rid of the draft frankly it will never happen so we must equalize

06:27:41.080 the draft in the name of equality okay seems like you guys have been agreeing this whole conversation

06:27:50.840 yeah i've already agreed with that aspect of it if that was actually put forward are you putting

06:27:54.040 forth that legislation are you working on that right now because i would maybe i'm a podcaster i know but

06:27:58.840 you're but you're very passionate i'm saying maybe you should i advocate maybe i frequently advocate for

06:28:03.560 men but the point i'm trying the point i was trying to make is that feminism is not an equality

06:28:09.320 market because it should one sectillion one hundred and eleven sextillion one hundred and

06:28:14.920 eleven quintillion one hundred and eleven quadrillion one hundred and eleven trillion one hundred and

06:28:20.280 eleven billion one hundred and eleven million one hundred and eleven thousand one hundred and

06:28:25.080 11 donated 100 dollars my helicopter goes

06:28:28.660 i'm just confused because you're you're trying to fucking we're just going back at it you're

06:28:49.300 literally trying to argue with me i like i'm pretty sure we mostly agree the reason why i'm

06:28:53.920 feminist is very straightforward it has nothing to do with that i think you're not even like

06:28:57.320 listening to what i'm saying i have a pretty coherent worldview and i agreed with you and

06:29:02.420 i'm saying you should put it into legislation because you keep bringing back the historical

06:29:06.720 aspect but you're like change history like i'm just acknowledging that history happened

06:29:09.960 and i'm giving you a reason why it i'm holy fuck i am saying i am saying that feminism has never been

06:29:18.420 an equality movement because if an if if fighting for inequality could conceivably

06:29:27.320 come at the detriment of women aka being subject to military conscription feminists will not push

06:29:34.640 for said equality they will not fight for said equality if the equality does not benefit women

06:29:40.660 and that's that's evidenced by the fact that even back in 1920 women secured the right to the vote

06:29:47.980 without a corresponding responsibility of being subject to military conscription and it's still

06:29:52.620 the case in 2021 11 quintillion 11 quadrillion 100 and 11 trillion 100 and 11 billion 100 and 11 million

06:30:02.880 one hundred and 11 donated one hundred dollars jesus christ deep breath

06:30:08.520 i'm gonna read some chats thank you jay jorgensen welcome to 2024 brian women pick and choose rights

06:30:26.280 during a challenge men cannot thanks okay which rights are we talking about what do you mean what

06:30:32.880 right we were we only have talked about the right to vote we could talk about any other talk there's

06:30:36.420 a whole bunch um let me think here uh this isn't really something that's this is more on like a

06:30:43.060 social level not a government level but for example well i mean you could actually make the argument

06:30:47.140 that we've outlawed female genital mutilation but uh male circumcision is absolutely legal so i mean

06:30:52.960 it's uh it's uh it's not circumcision is not something that's like enforced by the government

06:30:57.840 but it is legal under the government to circumcise young uh excuse me uh baby boys um and uh so uh i think

06:31:06.920 uh i think um i mean i'm i'm against uh male genital mutilation so on that's more on like a societal

06:31:19.620 level something that's uh a differential there's definitely like cultural reasons for that so i

06:31:25.320 think that's kind of a bigger culture it's probably a bigger conversation that has nothing well it does

06:31:29.700 have anything to do with government but we have david mcfarland sounds like she has a phd in gender

06:31:34.220 studies well it could be related to the government because we could outlaw um circumcision but we don't

06:31:42.160 but we've outlawed female genital uh circumcision yeah that's true so perhaps it should be uh david

06:31:49.120 appreciated man uh she does she have a phd in gender studies that's a good question on praxis

06:31:53.880 brian the draft is a very weak argument south korea has an actual men only draft the selective

06:31:59.060 service system is not the draft much bigger injustice is paternity fraud when has a woman ever

06:32:04.960 paid child support for another woman's kid never well absolutely paternity fraud is uh uh catastrophe

06:32:11.420 absolutely terrible that's not really something that's uh totally related to rights in the

06:32:17.120 government although there can be things where like for example let's say a man uh signs the birth

06:32:23.100 certificate and he's assumed that the child was his and he raises the child as it was his after a

06:32:30.600 period of a certain year let's say you at year five you take a paternity test and determine

06:32:36.060 provably with genetic dna testing that the child is not yours you can still be forced to pay

06:32:44.920 child support even if the kid is not yours because you for a period of time you acted as if the kid

06:32:52.840 was yours and uh that that in the law like if you i don't care what the situation is if you think the

06:33:01.420 kid's yours but it's not you should be free you should not be subject to child support if the kid is not

06:33:09.440 yours um so that's that's a good one praxis um i will say though i think the draft is a fucking

06:33:17.200 major argument actually it's a huge argument and you guys say well there hasn't been a draft in a while

06:33:22.820 uh we got freaking what's look at what's going on in the world in in the middle east ukraine

06:33:32.620 uh i think we're closer to a worldwide conflict today than in any time in the past i don't know

06:33:42.480 i don't know 20 30 years uh so uh i think the draft is actually a very strong argument um anyways

06:33:51.640 let's see we have other chats here we have matthew lee rights are socially constructed women should not

06:33:58.520 have any right to vote because they are not able to enforce anything as the enforcement arm is men

06:34:03.920 the right to vote came along with drafting as well that's from matthew lee that's not true

06:34:11.940 what do you mean what is the enforcement arm this isn't this this is i'm gonna just i'll be devil's

06:34:19.840 advocate on this this is a take from andrew andrew wilson so uh like all these feminist positions i

06:34:27.320 don't i feel like i'm not the best person to actually articulate this but um like who enforces

06:34:34.640 rights enforces them like the judicial system right what do you mean like in like our women

06:34:43.700 like police women women as a group versus men as a group like who for example i mean again this is

06:34:51.800 the argument is that rights are in rights are enforced by force and that men have a monopoly

06:34:56.720 on force so if you can't actually enforce the rights then you actually are you talking about

06:35:02.740 like on a minuscule level like police or what are you talking about no just in general like if you if

06:35:08.040 you strip everything back men have a uh monopoly on force so what is that can you give an example

06:35:14.120 you'd have to ask ask andrew it's on i don't believe in a patriarchy like in the entire culture

06:35:20.040 but what you just said sounds like you believe in a patriarchy like there's like overarching like

06:35:23.760 men okay so i do believe in patriarchy yeah oh you do so yeah yeah oh okay sorry again this is not

06:35:30.540 uh this is not an argument i make but it's he's kind of echoing something that i've heard andrew wilson

06:35:35.780 say is basically if all the men decided to to stop enforcing women's rights would there be women's

06:35:46.620 rights anymore you rely on men because for example if somebody breaks a law who do you rely on to

06:35:52.600 enforce that law men typically men with guns like the police police force right well those those fields

06:36:01.500 are definitely predominantly male run but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any women in

06:36:04.880 it okay let me ask you a question i don't think that our rights are given to us by men and again i'm

06:36:09.180 not saying we should i'm not saying we should get rid of women's rights but simply as a thought

06:36:13.640 experiment if all men just banded together in the supposed uh ultimate super form patriarchy and

06:36:22.320 said we're gonna walk back women's rights and we just banded together as men collectively would men

06:36:29.500 be able to walk back all of women's rights no there's still women out there who would fight for their

06:36:35.100 own voice no but it's it's only the constitution who's physically but okay when any it's just we're

06:36:41.900 human beings and we want to have a voice in our in our government that's all the right to vote is but

06:36:46.060 you realize that everything okay bashful bashful carmy donated 100 what do you think we should do with

06:36:54.200 the draft completely get rid of it or should we enforce it for both bean and women the volunteer force

06:37:01.160 the u.s has had for the past 50 years has been way better it should just be both men and women um you

06:37:07.420 can't get rid of it it's not polit it's not politically tenable it'll never happen there's

06:37:12.220 conceivable scenarios where a draft might be necessary thank you for the for the um the message

06:37:17.560 almost everything like could if if there's a conflict geez i'm fuck i feel like i'm gonna butcher this

06:37:24.980 um if there's a

06:37:29.760 border dispute between a country and it can't be resolved through diplomacy how did how is that

06:37:38.140 resolved by war ask me like my like uh commanding officer position like we deploy the national guard

06:37:46.180 i don't know like the military okay which women can be in

06:37:51.000 jeez i i i feel like i need to better understand andrew's argument here jake do you do you um think

06:37:58.860 that men are stronger than women biologically yes yes okay so then if men collectively tomorrow said

06:38:05.060 that we want to take away women's rights you think that they would be able to do that i think there's

06:38:08.920 more places than physical strength that can be you don't think that if men wanted to overpower women

06:38:13.800 they could they could overpower them physically okay so i think that so you think that women would

06:38:18.820 intellectually sort of like defeat men so you're saying like that you're you're implying like an

06:38:22.880 actual like physical yes going into houses i'm talking about force before before before we don't

06:38:27.100 have rights now you know but before we had ducted sort of heating and air conditioning and apartments

06:38:32.060 with you know like all of this amazing plumbing that we've got it was power that dictated how how

06:38:38.600 politics would go and it still is to an extent today but if tomorrow all of these amazing luxuries

06:38:43.540 that we have was stripped away take away everything they've built to be like oh you don't get no

06:38:48.720 this is a thought experiment yeah you have to you have to engage with it you know in a way that's

06:38:53.760 like good faith at the end of the day because i hate to be rude but i'm just i mean it's been six

06:38:58.680 hours i haven't even madison can take your seat if you want to yeah i don't want to be rude though

06:39:03.740 like i don't want to be that person yeah you can leave if i bow would it make it better yeah i mean

06:39:11.100 are you looking at me you want me to just keep going yeah we're having a conversation okay fair

06:39:23.520 enough yeah i was just saying i think that you have to be good faith with the conversation when

06:39:26.820 you when you engage with it because i'm asking you do you think that men have a monopoly on there

06:39:32.380 i thought it was just her and her that are leaving yeah sorry it's just it's kind of late

06:39:36.700 this is really fun wait before you leave hold on hold on hold on sit down for just a second

06:39:43.840 wait a few questions few questions for you you can leave if you want thank you though thank you for

06:39:49.340 coming thank you okay all right hold up uh let's see here hold on madison do you want to take one of

06:39:57.640 the empty seats um where's my notes here uh do you think you can be racist against white people no

06:40:07.900 do you think you can be sexist against men yeah i guess but you can't be racist against white people

06:40:19.020 no why so i feel like right now in terms of like gender we're in a really tricky spot when it comes

06:40:28.140 to like rights and how things are being handled politically and i feel like i'm not fully equipped

06:40:33.120 to like talk about that more in detail but in terms of race in western culture and in the united

06:40:42.660 states white people have never been oppressed and racism is backed by oppression so you think

06:40:48.920 that because there's history behind other racism do you realize history can start at any point

06:40:54.320 it hasn't history can start at any point okay but tomorrow white people are not going to be wake up

06:41:02.740 and be oppressed like that's what is racism though can you like who are you saying is oppressed like

06:41:09.060 black people are oppressed every minority like how are they oppressed what rights do they not have

06:41:16.180 or opportunities or do black people not have systemic racism exists like i don't want to sit here and

06:41:22.560 define that like you can do that in your free time i just asked what is racism like just the simple

06:41:27.320 definition like what do you think an oppressed racial group no racism like what like how can you

06:41:33.740 be racist towards somebody when like there's a million ways to do that like that's a really

06:41:39.080 vague vague thing to say like i don't know like

06:41:43.320 what do you think about here here's another statement agree or disagree there's no such thing as male

06:41:52.200 privilege

06:41:52.680 i disagree men are and have been more oppressed than women i disagree

06:42:01.360 cool

06:42:04.600 good talk

06:42:07.240 good talk

06:42:08.740 do you think that women have more privilege than men do

06:42:15.080 no

06:42:15.960 really

06:42:18.380 would you date a cop

06:42:20.980 if he's hot and has money

06:42:23.840 so you support you don't think that all cops are bad

06:42:27.140 like a c a b is that what they all cops are bad no

06:42:33.340 she's really missing out

06:42:47.020 lively

06:42:49.020 yeah

06:42:50.580 oh my god bro i don't know um anyways you

06:42:56.240 i'm if you want you can wait five minutes like i said i'm gonna wrap up

06:43:00.400 i promise i'll wrap up in five minutes i promise guys

06:43:03.200 or if you want to wait

06:43:04.720 fine here okay 11 35 i got okay okay wait okay so wait we're oh the the whole fucking andrew wilson

06:43:11.100 thing um okay if you look at for example like what happened in uh afghani was it afghanistan

06:43:18.760 we were in afghanistan women were able to go to school and whatnot

06:43:23.680 well

06:43:25.020 the taliban the man decide the men decided despite women's desire to be more equal to their male counterparts in afghanistan

06:43:34.620 despite their desires and their want for equal rights

06:43:38.520 the men by force i'm not saying it's right just a thought experiment here

06:43:43.520 the men by force

06:43:45.160 said nah

06:43:46.840 that's why we have the right to bear arms

06:43:50.180 okay who well i'm curious who owns more firearms in this country men or women

06:43:56.640 do you honestly think that women would stand a chance if it happened tomorrow

06:43:59.620 you can exit the feminist mindset for one second and you can be honest with the question and just

06:44:06.320 say that women would be totally it's funny wait before you answer she says that well we shouldn't

06:44:11.620 have equalized the draft because men and women are different because men are stronger but you can't

06:44:16.680 seem to concede on this you can't seem to like use that apply that same logic to this exact same

06:44:21.620 scenario which i think is interesting you you acknowledge that men are better suited to be

06:44:26.660 soldiers and fighters and killers

06:44:30.660 but for some interesting reason when it comes to this conversation about

06:44:36.660 say there was a civil war between men and women

06:44:38.660 if they could overpower us i the only thing i've responded so far is we have the right to bear arms

06:44:42.660 but you see the logical inconsistency you've acknowledged that men and women are different

06:44:46.660 you say women shouldn't be subject to military conscription because men are better soldiers

06:44:50.660 because they're physically stronger for xyz reason so if we're giving you a scenario

06:44:54.660 where there's a literally a military civil war between men and women

06:44:58.660 yes my answer was what you said that i said the right to bear arms i didn't even go into detail

06:45:02.660 i said that are they stronger then you said no no it's like intellectual so you alluded to the fact

06:45:06.660 that women could intellectually fight the war right no well you didn't talk about war at that point

06:45:10.660 and then i said don't you think that women would be screwed you said no we've got the right to bear

06:45:14.660 you were talking about enforcement and i asked about like police what specific thing are you talking

06:45:17.660 about and you just said oh well if if we wanted to overpower sleepy bear donated one hundred dollars

06:45:23.660 how do you pause and think about your answer but when it comes out it's still lacking logic

06:45:29.660 you know the internet is forever right you might want to stop trusting those people that think for you

06:45:35.660 i don't know who that is i think i made it very clear i actually said that if we just strip back

06:45:39.660 everything and then men collectively tomorrow decided that we want to take away women's rights

06:45:45.660 forcefully yeah and that was the that was the hypothetical that you're that you were engaging

06:45:49.660 and then i asked before all these things happened i asked like physically like going into people's

06:45:53.660 homes and like starting a war and that's where we stopped yeah we didn't really i never really

06:45:57.660 finished my take take away the rights because now you guys are saying something that i didn't actually say

06:46:01.660 say and i'm saying i completely agree i already agreed that men are biologically stronger that's

06:46:05.660 why i didn't agree with so so why did you bring up the right to bear arms then tongue in cheek it's

06:46:11.180 literally the idea that we do have a way to defend ourselves will we have a good chance i don't think

06:46:16.620 so was it tongue in cheek or are you trying to make a logical argument with that it's totally

06:46:19.340 hypothetical it's mostly tongue in cheek but it is true we do have the right to bear arms you do

06:46:23.020 have we do have a level of defense but is it enough to like overpower like suddenly every man

06:46:29.340 turns on us this is the most random you guys would be would be screwed if that if that horrible

06:46:33.980 event were to happen women would be at the at the mercy of men so that's why i'm saying feminism

06:46:40.620 is men's fault um okay you guys allowed it it was weak men who allowed it was it not so you don't

06:46:47.180 think you should vote guys this is a hypothetical conversation don't clip early this century that's

06:46:53.580 totally fine because the man was voting for the household and also since women started voting

06:46:57.500 everything started going left that's very true honestly feminism is just to destroy the family

06:47:01.900 you want to repeal the 19th is what you're saying no i think it's at at this point it's too late to

06:47:05.980 do that now but if like we could collectively start gradually walking back but there's no way that's

06:47:10.700 just like not able to happen now i wouldn't all right here i said i would i said i would wrap in

06:47:15.740 or women could vote more logically i think we're too far getting rid of the right for women to vote

06:47:19.740 we could actually i said i would wrap women aren't very well women are a lot more easily manipulated yeah

06:47:25.340 you're not very logical in a good way instead of a bad way i don't understand why we have this

06:47:29.980 like pessimistic view of women voting like what well she's saying that after women's had the right

06:47:35.900 to vote everything went downhill like why don't we actually more women are pro-choice than pro-life

06:47:40.620 because they're easily but we should focus on changing that instead of getting rid of the

06:47:45.020 right to vote i'm not saying we should repeal the 19th yeah but you're saying that if women didn't have

06:47:49.420 the right we shouldn't repeal the 19th but let's put women on the front line we're gonna put women on the

06:47:54.460 front line get your ar brian who thinks we should send women to war just send them into the kids

06:48:00.380 just send them into the meat grinder i completely just why are you equality if you believe men and

06:48:05.740 women are different why would you want egalitarian if men suddenly overpowered all of us like i would

06:48:10.060 have so many less concerns than my right to vote and more like why are all the men overpowering

06:48:15.980 here's the actual argument the like totally not trolling argument for why we need to send women to the

06:48:22.380 the front lines via the draft we got to tire out the enemy send the women in first and then the men

06:48:28.220 can take get them to nag the enemy all right last chat here we have andy andy j white i live in sweden

06:48:37.420 and our draft age is between 16 to 70 and includes both women and men combat is reserved for 18 plus but

06:48:43.500 those not fighting has other tasks like taking care of the kids etc etc why can't us um drafting both women and

06:48:51.740 men um i think you should worry about i have to look into sweden but you have other countries

06:48:57.980 which are even more oppressive than for example the united states where they actually have mandatory

06:49:03.100 military service for example in switzerland and uh if you don't there's actually really substantial

06:49:08.220 penalties uh and women don't have actually if you don't do it as a man there's like you get taxed or

06:49:14.060 something there's fees so uh all throughout the western uh west in all countries there's significant

06:49:21.340 uh most countries somebody said oh well in israel it's men and women okay well congrats one out of

06:49:27.820 what 200 plus countries in the world there's equal conscription and i would can't even beat hamas i

06:49:33.660 would i was gonna say how's that working out for them i would still argue they're probably still

06:49:37.740 prioritizing men to be in those frontline combat positions so um anyways appreciated man uh

06:49:43.900 what was the uh trying to remember what the other thing oh yo guys we're having we're this is we're

06:49:50.460 having conversations this is this is just thought experiments and um hypotheticals jake here doesn't

06:49:57.980 want to go to civil war with women we're just having thought experiments on things okay uh i don't know unless

06:50:05.340 you know no no civil war just thought experiment love women they're the best just want to protect

06:50:10.460 debate we're just having debate devil's advocating fucking you know all that stuff okay all right

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