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00:02:20.080 of the whatever podcast or the host without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce

00:02:25.080 themselves so please tell us your name age location so where you're from and occupation go ahead

00:02:30.680 okay um my name is brie and i'm 26 and from simi valley okay occupation uh i guess model guess model

00:02:40.880 okay like a like guess like the hand purse you model for guests oh okay okay yeah all right cool

00:02:49.980 welcome what about you my name's arson i'm 24 is that your government name that's my government name

00:02:57.000 arson no way is it well my government i don't know if i function your government your government

00:03:05.100 life okay what is your government um i don't know i just how i govern my own life i feel like i don't

00:03:12.620 really function in a lot of uh normal scenes of society so just that's my world but um and from our

00:03:22.940 occupation i'm working on my own brand i make uh portable flame flowers

00:03:27.500 um okay and other items i make like tables and like cool rolling trays and stuff but uh was there

00:03:42.140 any other question nick don't type that what um age again 24 okay uh spencer why don't you grab

00:03:51.260 that go ahead my name is meow i'm 27 here just can you chuck that to spencer please your thing

00:03:57.340 go ahead continue continue with your imagine if it blew up my name is meow like a cat but i am a dog

00:04:10.860 and i'm 27 i'm from the usa and i'm a twitch live streamer your name is meow yes what was the whole

00:04:18.620 thing with the dog thing meow like a cat but i am a dog okay

00:04:23.820 and you live your life as a cat as a dog were you not following no but meow like a cat but i am a dog

00:04:34.140 okay so you live your life as a a dog yes okay yes can you show your teeth

00:04:43.260 okay and uh is that uh those like genetic it's not genetic but um how do you uh was it put in by a

00:04:51.420 a dentist or so it's like a dog thing like i'm a dog girl so they're like a part of the shtick you

00:04:57.260 know they help me like tear meat and stuff i understand thank you please do that again

00:05:05.980 cool we're in for show tonight guys all right kayla kayla what about you um my name is kayla and i do

00:05:15.100 only fans right now but i am hair school because i want to be a hair stylist age 21 21 all right

00:05:24.300 i'm leslie i'm 20 years old from angels camp california and i'm a server and i do only fans on the

00:05:30.220 side okay what about you uh my name is ariana i'm also from angels camp california right now i'm an

00:05:36.940 exotic dancer and i do only fans age 20 sorry my name is jules and i'm from pismo beach california

00:05:47.980 21 and my occupation is a server and only fans okay yeah pismo beach is that 805 mm-hmm okay all right

00:05:58.460 rare we get another 805 person here what about you all right hi my name is carmen i'm 24 i'm from

00:06:05.340 minnesota and i'm a twitch streamer slash dog handler so and you're friends with meow do you handle meow

00:06:16.460 when we feel like it oh all right good times

00:06:24.060 hi i'm sky uh i'm 22 and i'm from los angeles i do only fans and i model on the side for like

00:06:34.300 fashion brands and i'm looking to start my own clothing brand okay cool hi my name is raven i am 22

00:06:46.700 i'm from anaheim and i am former only fans now i am a student trying to get my degree in child development

00:06:56.860 all right welcome what about you 26 my name is angelica and i just kind of do random things

00:07:05.420 where are you from oh um san francisco sf okay and uh random things i mean nick if you can pull it up we

00:07:13.740 know that you do some you i don't know if you still do you used to do very interesting asmr videos are you

00:07:19.340 still involved in the asmr industry yes but i had to do another channel just because it's oh that's

00:07:26.300 the new channel yeah okay scroll down a little bit nick scroll down so you uh scroll down a little bit

00:07:33.980 stay there wait wait stop 19 so you do 1980 is soviet girlfriend kidnaps asmr yes that's

00:07:44.860 interesting okay british phrenology asmr world war ii physical entrance medical exam with the southern

00:07:52.780 accent asmr this is very niche extremely can you pull up the other one nick she's got more it was

00:07:59.180 never meant to get popular it's just something i like doing behind closed doors look at this one

00:08:03.660 wait 5.2 million 1300s ad asmr none takes care of you in bed you have the plague wait speaking of which

00:08:16.780 do i get a hat oh you actually have to wear that okay uh we got the plague doctor thing so um

00:08:23.980 um all right can you anyone else put this on their face before this is going to be a whatever

00:08:29.180 exclusive can we get a little plague doctor asmr here go ahead it's terminal you don't have any time

00:08:37.180 left pray to god and maybe you might make it to heaven okay that was did uh ones in the chat if anybody

00:08:45.500 got some asmr from from that somebody click click that if you oh okay if you do you want to

00:08:52.700 wear the whole thing the whole the whole show or maybe not yeah perhaps not i kind of look like

00:08:58.220 one of those spanish do you want to hold on to that madison there you go enjoy okay um cool so she's

00:09:04.540 got but you don't do asmr anymore no i do yeah you still do it's like a project but it's just like a

00:09:09.660 side hobby basically okay all right well there you go um and guys like i said we do have jake joining

00:09:15.900 us we're going to shift the chairs once he comes he's going to be here in about

00:09:18.700 hour hour and a half or so so we're going to go around the table once more what is everybody's

00:09:24.380 current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship friends with benefits

00:09:30.780 relationship married polycule sex cult if you're single how long have you been single what's and

00:09:37.180 what's the longest relationship you've ever been in and before i have you go uh guys we're in the

00:09:42.620 midst of a rainstorm a thunderstorm i don't know if you can tell it's kind of windy out there it's

00:09:49.420 raining uh and i want to credit everybody here for for being able to make it through the treacherous

00:09:58.140 flooded streets the mean streets of santa barbara to be here tonight so i thank you all for for risking

00:10:04.700 your lives risking your lives to be here with me tonight thank you guys shout out to you guys so

00:10:10.540 um uh oh the reason i bring it up it's possible there's a power outage if the stream cuts we'll

00:10:17.900 try to get it going again but it's pot i mean it's it's raining pretty bad so we'll see anyways um

00:10:23.900 go ahead with the relationship status stuff um i guess i'm single but i've been in like

00:10:29.340 situationships and my longest relationship was like five years okay longest relationship five

00:10:35.580 years you've had some situationships how long would you say you've been single um probably like a year

00:10:44.700 a year okay one year all right i feel like i'm just too picky and i don't know i don't know if you

00:10:50.700 had mentioned this in the pre-show are you celibate um one of you is celibate somebody you're the celibate

00:10:59.340 okay uh cool yeah i want to say celibate though there's this thing called like demisexual where

00:11:05.500 like you only have like sex with people unless like you're like emotionally attached to them okay

00:11:10.540 are you demi demisexual yeah okay cool cool um how tall are you by the way four nine okay good to know

00:11:19.980 um next go ahead okay uh wait it was oh can i just tilt your strain your mic a little bit there you go

00:11:27.420 uh so yeah what's your current relationship status if you're single how long have you been

00:11:31.020 single longest relationship ever go ahead okay my relationship status is technically single but

00:11:37.020 i do identify as a fem cell and i'm celibate um and then my longest relationship was four years ago

00:11:45.820 or four years ago was four years long and that was about a year and a half ago um but basically for

00:11:51.580 the whole year and a half since i broke up with them i haven't been basically like with anyone

00:11:57.900 there was a couple little hookups but honestly i don't count that because i disassociated from it

00:12:03.100 but um oh wait so just clarify so a couple hookups but don't count them but those are like in the

00:12:12.380 beginning of my fem cell era now i'm like fully committed to it and fully like like getting power

00:12:18.220 from it do you date uh women or no only straight straight okay okay um wait so you're a fem cell

00:12:26.300 yes can we clarify what that yeah so i mean when if you can define that because do you mean like you're

00:12:32.380 a female involuntarily celibate because some people define fem cell differently yeah so so an incel is

00:12:39.740 like somebody that's yeah involuntarily celibate so i'm just a female version and basically i say that because

00:12:47.180 i think men are beautiful they're attractive i love to be around them and i think they're talented

00:12:52.700 and creative and you know just fun but as soon as you start to view them i think in a romantic sense

00:12:59.660 they somehow manifest a dark energy within them and i'm just hella like bubbly and nice and kind

00:13:06.300 and super loving i have like the biggest heart ever which is a blessing and a curse and i think once

00:13:12.220 they see that they either get like intimidated and or that dark energy is repelled by like love energy

00:13:21.420 and so like i'm literally like man repellent closer to the mic you're literally man what yes why are you

00:13:27.260 man repellent oh just so many times like i've just been ghosted and just like i used to be obsessed with

00:13:35.820 finding a man like literally she knows every time we go out we'd be like i have to find a man i have to

00:13:40.380 find a brave babe i would be like just obsessed with men and just like having too much energy like

00:13:47.420 that like men are like scared of that they're just trying to you know and then dip you know so like

00:13:54.300 seeing someone that like fully wants to be like obsessed with you and just be like a super powerful

00:13:59.420 duo like just men just usually don't want that i'm like generalizing but um it just in my personal

00:14:06.300 experience i've just experienced so much rejection that you know now i think it's fun now i think it's

00:14:12.780 funny it used to like get me in my in my feelings and stuff but not no more like i don't know i just

00:14:19.020 have felt so much happier my depression has completely yeeted from my body i'm completely

00:14:24.460 like rebranding my home self because my mentality has just gone so much better ever since i started going

00:14:30.380 like this whole route when you say you deal with a lot of rejection you get rejected a lot are you

00:14:35.580 talking about romantic rejection or sexual rejection um like both because they go hand in hand

00:14:43.900 like and especially like if you say to a man like i don't want to i don't want to do that the first time

00:14:49.980 i see you maybe later on that's like an immediate dub you know and um what's a dub is that is that an l

00:14:57.980 no that's that's like yeah you get dubbed like no it's a l i'm sorry guys i listen to pearl jam i'm

00:15:04.620 too i'm too much of a boomer for um wait so it's a dub is a win no a dub is a l the dub is they ghost

00:15:12.620 you yeah okay literally so many times i like if i'm talking to them at a party i'll literally be talking

00:15:18.460 to them at all night they're like risen me up i think it's going so well and then as soon as i say

00:15:23.580 anything like oh by the way i'm not trying to do that tonight but we can totally kick it as friends

00:15:27.420 it's like they'll literally leave the conversation start talking to another girl and it's like so i

00:15:33.100 just like i was like yeah maybe you're you're not trying to do that tonight as in have sexual

00:15:39.500 intercourse like p and the v yeah sexual intercourse yeah okay good times maybe you give them too much

00:15:48.060 attention and energy i do but i think that's such a good thing i like i like a lot i like yeah but

00:15:54.700 they they have to earn it from you though you just can't give it to them yeah they have to

00:15:58.540 yeah i mean a lot of men do a lot of men do but they're typically the ones who run away i just like

00:16:03.340 having fun you know i don't think you can be nice to them i don't think we like the chase

00:16:09.100 like the chase i don't i can tell you we don't like the chase yeah no no no i don't want the chase

00:16:15.660 no chase just up front is it because you can't run that fast or

00:16:22.460 no just it's like i don't like to play games are you not good at games

00:16:27.900 well it's not really a game like the proper way to do it it's more so like an earnest interest like

00:16:32.540 to show that he's genuinely interested in you that's not chasing that's just saying like i really want

00:16:37.820 you yeah and that's how i'm going to prove it yeah i just skip over the i'd rather just skip over

00:16:44.220 the you know the whole does she like me and then and then she's thinking does he like me and then

00:16:51.340 there's this game playing no no it shouldn't be a game either way though like a girl shouldn't have

00:16:56.220 to make you like jump through hoops in order to prove that she likes you like she should just like

00:16:59.820 you from the start i agree i agree at the same time it has to be like mutually respectful essentially

00:17:05.580 i think men shouldn't assume that women like them just because they're nice yeah

00:17:11.260 i don't know wait it's okay um you you're a femme cell um how long have you been celibate for um

00:17:19.820 shoot i haven't been counting the months but maybe like the last like real like six months has been

00:17:25.500 like really like when i've been starting going ham with this whole identity okay well but you said

00:17:30.780 that's when you started going ham with his whole identity which i mean makes me makes it sound like

00:17:37.180 you have some degree of choice yeah i mean if i were to meet somebody that changed my mind then i don't

00:17:44.060 mind but i literally like i i i'm not kidding when i'm saying every man is like repelled by me but

00:17:51.420 uh like it's involuntary you know every man is repelled by you uh we have a little thing popping

00:17:59.100 off yeah we'll have madison fix it just stay there nick um you say but you say you're at these parties

00:18:07.020 and these guys come up to you and as soon as they find out that you're not down to have sex that night

00:18:12.620 they move on to another woman now but when it comes to being in uh involuntarily celibate if men

00:18:22.380 are propositioning you and offering you sex and you're rejecting it that would suggest to me that

00:18:28.380 you're voluntarily celibate if men are offering you sex and you're turning them down yeah but those

00:18:33.980 those are just like random people if i'm like like actually like like it like into somebody like

00:18:40.380 that that that was just like a random conversation at a club but like if i'm actually like into

00:18:45.260 somebody i swear they're never into me too like like the last person i i just like showed any

00:18:52.300 interest towards i don't know i think people like are just like really narcissistic and have a really

00:18:57.420 big ego so if you're not like immediately trying to act like they're trying to like just be all over

00:19:01.500 them and like be like i don't know just feeding their ego and you actually want to talk about yourself

00:19:08.300 or anything you're doing it is like a complete turn off to them and they're just like they're just

00:19:12.780 like used to girls being all over them you know we have a chat here from whatever fan he says fem

00:19:17.420 cell usually means a woman who can't get an ltr not one who isn't sleeping around so i mean you do you

00:19:25.020 do uh of i'm trying to i'm i'm epically failing at it but yeah you're epically failing at it i mean

00:19:31.900 are there not because like i only have six subs like so can you think of like can you think of

00:19:37.980 one guy right now who if you texted him and you're like hey do you want to have sex i don't know i

00:19:43.660 would i've completely like removed a whole idea of men from my mind like i don't pay like it's like

00:19:49.740 i don't pay any attention to them except whenever you profit off of them for only no i mean like i think

00:19:54.380 you need to focus on yourself and build up why it is that you're confident and have value no yeah exactly

00:19:59.420 if you're bombing on only fans maybe you could take it as a sign to like maybe move away from

00:20:04.300 the platform because it's going to have long-term consequences too yeah and if you want a proper

00:20:08.060 respectful relationship you're not going to find that at the clubs i'm based yeah i i don't look

00:20:13.900 for relationships at all like that's just if somebody comes up to me you know sorry go ahead but i'm not

00:20:18.060 looking for a relationship like literally i don't think of men like at all anymore like i'm only focused

00:20:23.660 on like like me and my girls like that's where i find my social connection from sometimes you have to be

00:20:29.100 careful with what kind of girls you choose to surround yourself that's true i got a good family

00:20:34.300 though like we're a real like literally we're a cult so like um so i don't know i just got a really

00:20:39.580 good support system around me like that so okay okay well i don't think you're a femme cell but uh

00:20:45.580 that's my definition okay it's like a style thing but it's not like a literal incel it's not

00:20:49.580 yeah you're not literally that way truth be told i don't think women you've seen i don't think women

00:20:55.820 can be involuntarily celibate because they're always desirable like biologically yeah pretty

00:21:02.460 much like so do you think men can be involuntarily celibate absolutely yeah if they're biologically

00:21:08.460 desired by other women and men well i mean it comes down to your capacity to actually procure sex so

00:21:14.780 and and obviously let's exclude prostitution for example uh there are men genuinely out there despite

00:21:20.860 them making reasonable good faith efforts to get sex they just can't whereas i mean it's

00:21:27.820 i mean i can't think of a scenario where a woman if she just strictly wanted casual sex could not get

00:21:34.540 it almost instantly very quickly you need not you need not do more as a woman than just download tinder

00:21:41.740 download a dating app make yourself available you probably won't even have to take all that much

00:21:48.220 initiative you can probably get laid very easily that's true but i think it's different value

00:21:52.300 systems because it's like women can get any woman i honestly think in any situation can get laid but

00:21:57.260 it's not something that women value well that's a different that's a different question though is it

00:22:01.900 do women want to have casual sex but when we're talking about a specific term like someone who's

00:22:07.020 involuntarily celibate i mean that has a very specific definition you are involuntarily celibate so

00:22:14.380 despite your efforts to procure sex you're not able to get it i think it's rather short-sighted

00:22:19.100 to specify that it's only a men issue because even in the intro you specified if you're a girl you can

00:22:23.900 dm the podcast if you want to come on i feel as though men aren't given as many opportunities to be

00:22:28.460 like social and to like meet a lot of people that are on similar wavelengths as they are and so you're

00:22:33.500 just arguing my point well well what so what i'm saying is i think but you're saying that only you think

00:22:38.380 only men can be involuntarily celibate yeah and i think women can also shut themselves away and be

00:22:43.340 very much like in their own head thinking okay everyone likes me i'm not the beauty standard

00:22:47.980 for men it's oh i don't have muscles and i'm not over six feet and for women it's okay i don't have

00:22:52.460 triple d's and i don't have a tiny waist like it can be i feel like it can be very fair on either side

00:22:57.420 well i mean we've uh sorry go ahead continue with your point i was gonna say i think that she is

00:23:01.260 describing a lot of voluntarily so voluntary celibacy because that's how i operate too i'm voluntarily

00:23:07.020 celibate in my life but we're talking about involuntarily celibate and i mean you mentioned

00:23:11.500 like for example physical appearance i mean we've had women on the show who no offense to them but

00:23:16.140 just as a statement of fact were for example morbidly obese and you know it occurs to me that their

00:23:21.500 looks equivalent you put them in the male body with the same characteristics uh we we have women

00:23:29.420 for example right a woman could be how do i how do i want to best frame this ugly as fuck

00:23:36.940 like even really really unattractive women can be sluts but a really unattractive like morbidly

00:23:45.580 obese man can't be a slut but who's to say that a morbidly obese woman could be a slut he can be

00:23:52.060 a slut yeah i don't know like i mean well for example we've we've had women on the show who

00:23:58.780 who who i mean nick if you're able to pull it up the girl who was uh who wore the pink um

00:24:07.020 she was um what oh you have it one sec i mean uh she's a little bit overweight and uh she was saying

00:24:17.340 how she could sleep with five men in a day her male looks equivalent like to be able to sleep with five

00:24:24.780 women in a day you're that puts you in the realm of like a-list celebrity musician actor professional

00:24:31.900 athlete or you're just exceptionally good looking or it puts you into a price bracket of how much you

00:24:37.820 make and you can pay for those services also yeah but i'm excluding i'm excluding prostitution from

00:24:42.460 this conversation what about only fans what do you mean because how's that related at all because

00:24:47.420 plenty of men plenty of men uh have favorite models that they like to fund their lives specifically and

00:24:52.940 for uh if some only fans models they are willing to exchange more intimate interactions with users

00:24:59.580 than others for some people they so prostitution yeah if i'm excluding that from i'm excluding that

00:25:06.300 from the conversation well i wasn't i wasn't sure if you identified only fans as prostitution well

00:25:11.900 yeah but no you're saying hold on but you're saying you're talking about how having more intimate

00:25:18.620 connections so i think what you were trying to arrive at is what if the women on only

00:25:22.700 fans offer up sexual services aka sex for money yeah well because he's talking about physical sex

00:25:30.140 not like like like just chances in general because from because from what i i maybe i'm misunderstanding

00:25:36.700 your point then well that's the thing is that like there's a story with kurt cobain where he ended up

00:25:42.060 basically having intimacy with a woman who was mentally disabled physically disabled overweight and smelled

00:25:49.580 the girl apparently had slept with a bunch of guys in the town including some family members so it's

00:25:54.860 like a woman inherently is always going to be used by men who are seeking that out but men on the other

00:26:01.020 hand will never be used in that respect at least not usually i wonder if it's i wonder if it's connected

00:26:05.980 to women being inherently seen as like a biological sexual object whereas men are more conquer ship

00:26:11.180 based more protector more warrior and i wonder if those biological like expectations those are biological

00:26:16.460 realities yeah like women are the receptacle and men are the ones who basically so so i'm not sure

00:26:21.740 if i would categorize women as receptacle i mean like yeah i'm not going to i'm not going to cosign

00:26:26.060 that statement yeah that makes sense then that there's more men that are uh like finding you know

00:26:30.460 involuntary celibacy to be their way of how they operate if that is the case if we live in a society to

00:26:35.900 where men are not seen as sexual beings and women are right well women aren't supposed to be seen as

00:26:40.940 sexual beings we're supposed to have agency and womanhood and femininity but unfortunately with the

00:26:44.940 commercial society that we live in it's like we've been reduced down to these sexual objects

00:26:49.660 whether it's like boobs and butts and all of that jazz there's no sense of respect or dignity associated

00:26:54.220 with womanhood anymore because of in my opinion the things like the sexual revolution basically

00:26:59.500 removing our agency from us but that's women's own doing like yeah kind of women did that to themselves

00:27:06.460 like over like the whole feminism thing yeah well part of it doing it to ourselves is for money because

00:27:12.220 it's an easy way to make money so that's why that's why i mentioned money because i feel like

00:27:16.140 money is always going to be a topic when talking about those interactions and as far as like people's

00:27:21.580 ability to get sex because i've i have i have listened to self-proclaimed incel men speak about how

00:27:27.580 they've paid for sex before but they don't count that as a real experience because of the way that they

00:27:31.900 view it that's yeah that's what they say yeah why i mean because i mean it what i think incel men want

00:27:39.820 is they want uh sex that does not involve that's not transactional i would hope now i mean we can

00:27:47.660 certainly have a deeper conversation of well to some degree is romantic everything is everything

00:27:52.700 transactional but that's that's on another level it's not organic i guess is what he's trying to say

00:27:57.900 yeah like um like like more so like organic sex like you meet somebody you click and then you're

00:28:04.140 like oh hey let's go you know hook up that's i think more so what he's talking about i wonder

00:28:09.340 i wonder if that comes down to you know base levels of testosterone versus estrogen levels and i just

00:28:13.660 wonder if it's not as like social as like a social contagion issue or if it's more like genuine just

00:28:19.260 like our our biology our biology kind of catching up to us a little bit in the social state that we're at

00:28:24.380 right no i agree because you actually like like how you said that like men don't have a lot of like

00:28:28.540 they have a lot of social experiences they can go out they can go out and meet a woman i was literally

00:28:33.340 just in japan last week and it was like the cutest thing i was my feet were dying so i was sitting and

00:28:39.820 like in this little corner and there were these two two school girls and this uh like they're high

00:28:44.940 schoolers right high school guy comes up puts the arm right like by her head it goes like hey i saw

00:28:52.300 you you're really just really cute and you know you know what what you doing later right and she

00:28:58.140 was just giggling like oh my gosh like this is her like fairy tale moment and when he like gave it gave

00:29:04.060 him her number when he left she was like giggling with her friend like oh my gosh that was so great

00:29:08.940 and i'm like like things are so different in this culture and like men could just go up to women

00:29:15.740 in other countries and be like oh my gosh i really like you you're really beautiful like

00:29:19.260 like all the time like they do but they're often rejected they they open up their phone and they

00:29:24.140 hand you their instagram with it open for you to type in your user yeah that's what they do i feel

00:29:27.980 like it's stupid like if somebody comes up to me on the street i'm always hella friendly i don't

00:29:31.500 give a fuck if it's a homeless man like or whatever whoever it is like i'm gonna always meet them with

00:29:36.540 positive energy like i think cat calling getting upset by that is literally so dumb look here's here's

00:29:41.500 the reality right okay most women can sleep with most men most men cannot sleep with most women

00:29:47.100 a woman can i mean she would have to i would even argue if she was seriously disabled or disfigured

00:29:55.100 she could still procure sex rather easily um so i mean well also i'm delusional and very like men

00:30:02.220 trigger manic episodes in me okay so like i almost turn into a crazy person if they try to talk to me

00:30:08.140 but so that's usually what repels them i mean but here's the thing if you were to download tinder

00:30:14.460 yeah matt just swipe swipe on even the dudes that you just think are physically attractive

00:30:19.420 or if you even were to go out to a nightclub or a bar or a party and you just you say men approach

00:30:25.580 you i tried hinder tinder i tried hinge literally i get like zero matches and if i try to meet up with

00:30:31.260 them like stop the cap i'm bro i'm not i don't believe it because like about this all you know you're

00:30:37.020 do you not hear me complain about that stuff all the time you do complain about that stuff all the time

00:30:41.100 okay well so let me ask you a question what first off how do you categorize your your look like

00:30:46.300 are you a scene girl are you what like are you uh a girl what's your how do you uh define your

00:30:52.460 aesthetic like lolita harajuku scene core um steering real core like anything that ends with core cottage

00:31:00.460 core like okay i mean are you are you seeking out men that fall into like a very niche oh for sure like

00:31:09.740 basically i don't know for some reason an energy attraction like i only attract clinically insane

00:31:14.860 men so that might be why like it's just doesn't work and they don't want to the insane dudes don't

00:31:22.380 even want to fuck is what you're saying they don't want to fuck girls on them the insane dudes have too

00:31:26.940 many too too many yes lady friends like soundcloud rappers that's your type of soundcloud rapper

00:31:35.020 rappers necessarily because i'm not into like the hip-hop rap scene as much but definitely like

00:31:39.900 i don't know if you know what hyper pop is or like dance core and like those specific i know 90s grunge

00:31:45.580 music that's the extent of my that's it pearl jam stone temple pilots yeah that's it maybe some like

00:31:54.060 early late 90s pop punk blink 182 it's just like that's it that moves so fast it's almost like epilepsy

00:32:00.780 inducing sounds like okay yeah cool uh in any case i'm pretty sure if you if you hopped on the dating

00:32:08.940 app and uh i'm pretty confident you'd you know what we should do this as an experiment um let's actually

00:32:16.620 grant her access to her phone do you have tinder on your phone so you're gonna be um maybe i have

00:32:22.780 hinge i've seen hinge on your phone okay it's sad we'll give you while we're having everyone else

00:32:29.420 do their uh relationship status we're giving you 10 minutes to access do you have tinder i can show

00:32:34.540 you all these dumb conversations yeah yeah that's okay you don't have to show them but but i want

00:32:39.740 you to get on hinge and i want you to yes oh wait but i think you have limited likes

00:32:45.020 on hinge right just i i haven't been on dating apps in a while uh well the likes come to you

00:32:51.020 right okay all your matches be like what are you doing tonight no because literally look i always

00:32:56.540 get no reply i stay in west la area no no reply ever again like i said you're not a horse and then

00:33:03.500 he never responded to me wait can i see your photos i'm gonna get our man tonight okay let's see

00:33:14.220 uh hold on brian's living vicariously i mean you have 50 plus matches in the queue i think

00:33:23.340 right yeah yeah i get matches but as soon as i dm them they never respond i've literally like only

00:33:28.620 met up with like two people on there in the year and a half and it was just like a horrible

00:33:33.500 five three first yes i always dm them first we have to let them dm you yes okay yes drinks smoke

00:33:41.500 sometimes weed sometimes drugs sometimes wait atheist what's your bio atheist liberal long-term

00:33:48.540 relationship open to short you are wholesome and have a big heart that's one of your prompts

00:33:54.380 together we could do arts and crafts and talk about our favorite things uh and then you're

00:33:59.020 also taking a picture in a graveyard cool um bro you could definitely get some like where do you live

00:34:06.380 la yeah bro there's all kinds of like pretentious art people there you're good you're good you can

00:34:13.180 i got you women like you i got you i'm gonna get you a man tonight okay i'm gonna get you but you're

00:34:19.820 invol you're you claim to be involuntary celibate we must correct this we're gonna change it i got

00:34:25.580 you okay we're gonna get you okay okay if it's somebody i like bro i'd be down honestly you just

00:34:30.780 have to you have to you have to how about grab it right but i just you shouldn't be the one trying

00:34:38.060 i think it's like you have to be the one where it's like they see the beauty inside of you and then

00:34:41.660 you end up reciprocating that but that doesn't exist but it really doesn't exist it's beautiful

00:34:45.500 what she just said i don't know i i haven't seen only demons i don't know but until that point it's

00:34:51.740 like yeah it's like you're only going to track the same that's the chat chat do you think she's

00:34:56.700 actually a fem cell do you think she can act she's actually a fem cell guys i i am i am you know what

00:35:03.900 why don't we we should also do another experiment we'll have you come back in a month we'll do like

00:35:07.980 just just i don't even think it's your physical appearance that's like in terms of your aesthetic

00:35:13.980 your look uh because i mean guys are guys like the kind of you know i don't know i would say

00:35:18.940 i would say with like the lolita stuff and the little girl stuff i would say like let's not go

00:35:22.540 there well it's like i think it just gives off the message of like i'm still kind of processing

00:35:26.460 memories i think that you're a very beautiful girl i think that when you kind of have this more

00:35:32.300 elegant sort of adult sort of look to you then you're going to attract men who are actually going to

00:35:36.380 take care of you and actually like but that's the thing they bore me like if i can't have a

00:35:40.140 conversation or i'm talking about like the universe energies and like all sorts of crazy deep stuff you

00:35:44.700 know like if you can't feel it if you can't conversate with me like that then it's literally

00:35:48.780 like i don't know that i feel like i'm getting judged at that well not even you want to talk about

00:35:53.500 aliens would you say you're not aliens necessarily not aliens i'm trying to talk about like what you

00:35:59.260 trying what are you trying to talk about the beauty of how we're all here like dude we're made up like a

00:36:04.060 billion cells and like just born in these beautiful bodies and like nobody realizes how vast and how

00:36:10.620 rare and how great it is everybody's like trying to be depressed and on their email stuff you know

00:36:15.260 like i don't know like you know what we're gonna do madison back here she offers she's we're gonna

00:36:20.860 transform you just for a month just to see if we can get you out of your involuntary self

00:36:25.260 involuntary celibacy just a month to uh a week i doubt it it's honestly we're gonna turn you into

00:36:33.420 like a a trap life yeah for like a week right now i would say that you have to kind of like

00:36:37.980 hold on hold on just a sec hold on sorry i am late lots to do tonight oh thank you have to ask

00:36:43.660 what mind slash mood altering substances are the young ladies on this panel using or have recently

00:36:53.180 is everybody sober here i hope yeah yeah i smoked weed kayla you smoke some weed

00:36:58.220 or wrong okay anybody what about you guys did you guys are we allowed to say what did what did you

00:37:04.140 i mean i'm a horse so a horse yes i'd be gay i don't get it what wait everyone you're on horse

00:37:13.820 tranquilizer currently well we did it last night but it's still so i've been practicing sobriety

00:37:25.260 lately and i think it's been great like are you getting a contact eye yeah good i'm sorry are you

00:37:29.420 getting a contact eye from a what contact eye what contact hi hello i bro i could not understand

00:37:38.460 what you were saying she smoked some weed bro i'm scared she smoked weed she's doing horse

00:37:43.420 tranquilizer and i'm trying to be sober what is going on here where am i it's good for you they

00:37:48.540 have clinics for it like for animals no no they have veterinary clinics where they have

00:37:54.620 there's an old netflix show about how this girl got uh diagnosed with something and she did a ketamine

00:38:00.780 no like a tranquilizer yeah so i forgot what it was called but yeah it helps her with treatments and

00:38:06.220 stuff there are some drugs

00:38:14.300 okay there are some drugs that do have very good okay so i used to study psychology

00:38:20.940 cool i don't think we're gonna talk about drugs oh i'm sorry all right here well we if we want we

00:38:27.180 can come back to the fem cell thing um let's continue on uh current relationship status longest relationship

00:38:33.420 uh and if you're single how long have you been single i'm currently single and my longest relationship

00:38:39.100 is five years and i'm currently voluntarily celibate um and i think it's going great i i really enjoy the

00:38:48.780 quality of friendships and relationships i'm able to procure while not having sex or anything sexual

00:38:55.900 on the table a big part of my entire lifestyle is play and for me playing is very much in the nature

00:39:02.300 of fun it is in the nature of throw me a ball i want to fetch it some people can't do that without

00:39:07.100 getting a hard-on which is really freaking bizarre um but it uh it's been a really lovely thing to be able

00:39:14.140 to be in those situations where men interact with me they admit hey i want something with you and

00:39:19.900 whenever i say no they say oh that's okay because in my experience men typically aren't able to

00:39:26.220 separate those emotions if they've already ramped it up so if somebody's been fantasizing about you

00:39:29.980 for a month and they finally you know tell you about it and you're like i don't see you that way

00:39:33.740 a lot of times they can't still be your friend and i don't think that's a wrong thing i don't think

00:39:37.260 it's you know screw men for not wanting to be my friend it's like okay you're just not my cup of

00:39:41.260 tea you're not my cut of of uh iron you know wait so hold on with the whole you you invite men to

00:39:48.860 engage in your you want to role play as a dog but you object to them i don't invite anyone into

00:39:59.420 anything so what i said is i enjoy a lifestyle of play where i can be casually like playful with my

00:40:05.820 friends to me you know if you want if you bite me on the on the arm i'm not going to take that

00:40:11.340 sexually some people come from getting bitten on the arm do you understand like i i i separate sex

00:40:17.180 from a lot of i feel like what could be misconstrued as sexually natured things but recognizing that and

00:40:22.620 recognizing how that can unintentionally lead men and women on because i am bisexual i've recognized

00:40:27.580 that pattern in myself and i've been celibate for going on a year now and it's been really incredible

00:40:31.500 okay there you have it voluntary celibacy for one year okay what about you kayla um i'm in a

00:40:42.300 relationship it's been been together for almost three years all right nice congratulations three

00:40:49.260 years all right and is this your longest relationship yeah yes is it is a man yes okay

00:40:56.780 what about you i am i don't know if i'd say i'm single i'm kind of in a little bit of a

00:41:05.980 situationship do i don't really know couldn't tell you to be honest you probably could tell us um

00:41:12.700 probably i think i don't know it's okay you're it's comp complicated slash situationship are you

00:41:19.020 only seeing one person or are there multiple people in the picture just one as like that talking

00:41:25.500 stage are you guys monogamous what are you guys monogamous um yeah okay how long have you been

00:41:32.060 seeing him probably like over a year but we like i don't know you're in an over a year situation okay

00:41:38.700 because have you got at any point have you guys been uh like boyfriend girlfriend no but there's

00:41:43.980 like been multiple points in time where like we stop talking so it's like if we're already having

00:41:48.780 these issues where we stop talking or like what what's the rush of making a relationship if you're

00:41:54.300 already having issues you know okay but so you've been seeing him for about a year yeah okay is that

00:42:00.380 is that your longest relationship no okay is he seeing other women i'm not sure i don't really

00:42:06.780 care enough to check but you've only been seeing so for the year you've been seeing him you've only

00:42:11.020 been involved with him no or have there been other guys i've hung out with other guys like i've seen

00:42:14.860 other guys but i'm not sleeping with other guys and do you want it to become a relationship with

00:42:22.380 yeah eventually but it's just so much harder than that is it long distance he lives about two hours

00:42:27.820 away from where i'm at where do you live again angels camp california okay um so one year okay

00:42:35.900 uh i mean has he made made any overtures that he's desirous of a long-term relationship with you

00:42:40.860 yes we're having problems because of it right now oh he wants he wants and you don't he does

00:42:46.380 well it's just so much harder for me i just like before i like got with him there was a um i was in

00:42:52.940 a relationship for five years very toxic very abusive manipulative so it's kind of hard what did you do

00:42:57.820 to abuse your ex oh no no no no oh it was the oh it was the other guy okay all right yeah but

00:43:04.860 okay so it's kind of hard for me to be like oh yeah i trust you like oh no like i definitely

00:43:11.020 doubled back a couple times like i'm gonna get my lick back like you don't look back you don't

00:43:15.820 did me dirty too many times like he did you dirty yeah what did he do

00:43:21.340 i don't even want to get into the extent of it did you slash his tires no he didn't have a car to

00:43:26.460 slash tires did you burn down his parents house where he lived he didn't have a parents house where he

00:43:32.860 lived wow that's he lived with me actually he actually lived with me i don't know what i was

00:43:38.220 going on he did okay did you rip up his clothes i did burn a couple of them you burned some of his

00:43:46.620 clothes you and arson over here should have you ever been charged with arson um

00:43:54.780 um my ex did like um a bible on file and try to in front of a church the bible yeah it was part of

00:44:07.820 but so he did get in trouble with the cops before but not myself okay um so

00:44:16.620 what else did you do it was just very like i said abusive very like physically abusive so it's kind

00:44:23.260 of hard for me to like want to give myself to another man like that regardless of how long

00:44:27.980 i've known you or anything like that have you gotten therapy for that to like i have not i

00:44:32.860 thug it out i definitely recommend therapy if you want to like move on and have a good no i have moved

00:44:37.580 on i definitely have like yeah but you can't trust people so you haven't moved on well can you really

00:44:42.220 trust anyone though yes yes i feel like i cannot trust anyone you should be able to if i've never been

00:44:47.740 able to trust anyone in my life therapy everyone in my life do you trust your boyfriend of three

00:44:52.460 years yes see she trusts somebody okay but i feel like you have to always have like that little bit

00:44:57.820 of cautiousness where you're like oh but this could happen at any point in time like what if like there's

00:45:01.740 always that what if i think maybe it's because you don't know what signs were in him that you missed

00:45:07.100 the first time around so now it's like you don't know what to look for so i do now i definitely

00:45:11.180 after five years i definitely know what to look for now but for a while yeah no i definitely did not

00:45:16.060 i think you're in a building phase just definitely a healing what's going on yeah yeah i've told

00:45:21.020 myself that like a million times like oh i know the signs and then it like keeps i know the signs

00:45:25.420 because i've literally like come across like the same men in different bodies and be like yeah no

00:45:30.060 i've already seen this like i'm not dealing with it you could oh hold on seven sectillion seven hundred

00:45:35.500 and seventy seven sextillion seven hundred and seventy seven quintillion seven hundred and seventy seven

00:45:41.420 quadrillion seven hundred and seventy seven trillion seven hundred and seventy seven billion

00:45:46.460 seven hundred guys twitch.tv slash whatever jobs follow jobs if you have one donated two hundred

00:45:53.500 dollars oh thank you thank you

00:46:04.460 it comes back like this period that's good thank you i appreciate that that was pretty violent

00:46:11.500 honestly that was worth it for two hundred dollars that was good um okay so it's currently

00:46:17.420 complicated currently a situationship uh i'd say maybe what you need is just like a healthy ideal

00:46:24.860 so that way anything that falls short of it you kind of know there's something wrong here and i can

00:46:28.940 spot it from a mile away yeah it's definitely it's just like one of those situations like i know he's

00:46:33.260 a good guy like i've known him for this long like i see that he's very much different but it's like

00:46:37.900 still something in me it's just like everyone everyone has good and bad in them yeah it's just kind

00:46:42.780 of like you can see the good but also it's like it's like the intentions yeah exactly there are yeah

00:46:47.900 how does he treat his mom back there his mom actually is not part of his life i mean i guess that could

00:46:53.260 play a big factor yeah the way they treat their mom is like a very good way to tell like how they'll

00:47:00.380 treat you uh she's i mean i guess she's not really innocent though and the part that he plays towards

00:47:04.700 her can i ask do you have like like are your parents together do you have a role model for a

00:47:10.140 healthy relationship my parents are not together they have not been together since i was probably

00:47:14.220 like six seven years old so and they were constantly fighting so i definitely never really had that

00:47:20.540 picture perfect family growing up to like go off of like my my perspective of love and like how

00:47:26.620 everything we all know that song love the way you lie by eminem yeah that's 100 my perspective of love

00:47:32.860 like that's what i grew up around so it's kind of what i'm used to what i what i feel like i deserve if

00:47:37.820 that makes sense like love isn't supposed to be a feeling hence the whole like you know you always

00:47:41.900 kind of want something that's interesting or spicy it's like in that case it's like you're more addicted

00:47:45.820 to the chaos than you are to the actual definition of love which is supposed to be upbuilding and good

00:47:50.380 for you where you grow as a person and that's kind of what you have to be ready for when you're in a

00:47:54.460 relationship your relationship status go ahead um i currently have a boyfriend we've known each other

00:47:58.460 for five or six years but we've officially been dating for like a couple months okay a couple what do you

00:48:04.700 think like six months like two three two months like literally a couple you've not so was he in

00:48:10.140 the friend zone no you were proper friends um he was just older at the time when he met me i was like

00:48:18.300 17 he was like 22 23 um and we just lost contact oh my gosh okay anyways so we lost contact for a while

00:48:30.380 i mean technically if he was older he didn't he didn't become less older like you guys you guys

00:48:37.260 both aged at the exact same yeah so what did i say what did i say well you said he was older well he

00:48:43.740 was older than me at the time is what i was just as old like the differential well okay i was 17 and

00:48:49.980 like he you're of age yeah so like respectfully he turned me down like he actually came up to me we

00:48:56.220 were working out at the gym and he came up to me and i told him that i was 17 and he said never mind

00:49:00.860 yep good it's a little uh okay respectful yeah i think that is respectful very much there's no harm

00:49:07.980 in asking by shaming men for asking in general as if they're supposed to know that somebody is

00:49:12.940 of a certain age like i feel like that's setting them up for failure like allow them to be like oh

00:49:16.940 okay word and walk away definitely no i love that's not what i'm arguing though well it's

00:49:23.020 it's more the fact that he's still pursued that like if if if if it turned out that the girl was 17

00:49:29.260 and like you don't like oh i'm gonna wait until she's 18 no it's like that no not pursuing that

00:49:38.780 at all i don't know it's just i feel there's a little bit uh i think there's a little bit of

00:49:44.780 impropriety if there's a anyways um i mean i get what you're saying because there's a huge difference

00:49:50.220 between um the situation with him because i was 17 at the time and he told me never mind like

00:49:55.660 few years later we reconnected on facebook and um one thing left after the other and now we're

00:50:01.500 together okay but that's completely different than my sugar daddy who's 80. dang and he's been

00:50:08.460 a family friend since i was like 10. so that's a difference girl that's a difference i'm gonna send

00:50:12.860 the asteroid on that one um hurrah we have another uh he's he's like he's like in his

00:50:21.580 80s you have a sugar daddy yeah he's you have multiple sugar daddies um i only have one right

00:50:25.820 now but i used to have an 80 year old yeah he's he's 80 okay um what how does that look like your

00:50:32.540 you're so far okay don't make fun of me because he doesn't really know how to use like cash app or

00:50:47.340 like paypal or anything he sends me money in the mail you are so likely to get that stolen i just

00:50:54.300 want to say that those 80 checks he's only done it he's only done it like a yes cash and like

00:50:59.660 pre-roll joints does he pay you a lot um he pays me i don't really like to talk about numbers period

00:51:07.100 i just don't but um yeah he's paid me like a good amount for me to like survive he mails you cash

00:51:12.780 can i ask whenever the interact like your the sugaring started what how old you were

00:51:19.020 oh the sugary like in general yeah for when did this dynamic between you and family friends

00:51:23.820 oh this was like a month ago like it just worked okay but like i've had another sugar daddy i had

00:51:29.740 one like a year ago for about a year and so what what does he get in return just like conversation

00:51:36.220 do you send conversation and a lot of stalling stalling okay yeah do you feel like it might impact

00:51:42.540 like the way you perceive men if no 100 now how did that start like i'm curious like like your

00:51:50.780 relationship with him with him yeah um i don't know he was just a family friend like i never like

00:51:57.580 hung out with him one-on-one spoke to him whatever like he's just like a family friend to my parents

00:52:02.220 but did he contact you yeah do your parents oh did we're the family friend how did it change

00:52:07.980 yeah how did a friend go from family friend to see i don't want to like out him because i don't

00:52:13.020 want anybody like that i know to find him because it was on social media all right well you got you

00:52:18.540 got an 80 year old sugar daddy congrats did you post booty pics what about you did you post booty pics

00:52:23.660 um no okay uh relationship status what about you um well i'm single congrats um yeah thank you so much

00:52:31.180 oh gosh um my longest relationship was probably about a year yeah and then i was single for two

00:52:37.340 years and then i gave this guy a chance just fucked me over and now i'm single recently yeah this is

00:52:44.540 recent um yeah now i'm single and i'm on my celibate journey now too like i am anti-men for a long time

00:52:53.980 wait who else you're you're anti-men okay no romantically or romantically also just in

00:53:00.780 general too no in general like romantically do you date women no okay um is anybody else here

00:53:07.500 anti-men i mean you i love you anti-men romantically i hate men sometimes no she hates men sometimes

00:53:16.380 i hate men all the time okay i'm kind of a misogynist like i don't really like girls i i don't like

00:53:21.900 women i also don't like girls that much too i just don't girls why can i say that being very bisexual

00:53:26.940 like women piss me to fuck off like all the time yeah i don't know romantically women are extremely

00:53:32.620 difficult i wouldn't like i feel like one of the guys guys guys one at a time please and please just

00:53:38.380 speak into the mic go ahead i feel like two women at the same time like how how does a relationship

00:53:42.540 like that work like you guys like piss each other off like i'm the type of person like it's gonna get

00:53:46.860 domestic in here yeah like it might take off on you yeah how does that how does that work how do

00:53:51.500 you manage that how does that work when your periods link up um former lesbian uh i'm a christian

00:53:59.980 i saw christ um you know i saw christ like not even to be cringe but like that was literally like

00:54:06.300 it literally is that way like um do you have a dream do you like see him no like it was literally

00:54:11.340 like it was like it was like a lot like it was a lot of yeah like can you explain more like i'm

00:54:17.900 curious um like how i kind of came to that like so you weren't like jen and then you became christian

00:54:26.300 so christ made you change your mind on that it wasn't like a visual like physical experience of like

00:54:31.740 seeing him with your eyes it was more like i prayed constantly for years um on if god if this is what

00:54:40.220 you if you're okay with this then tell me yeah and if not then i will literally change my ways

00:54:46.140 but i need you to tell me because every relationship i was getting into just got me into deeper and

00:54:50.620 deeper yeah i kept getting signs and then those signs you know led me to be like yeah no you shouldn't

00:54:59.180 don't don't keep doing this yeah well good on you for having faith in that thank you

00:55:04.460 but yeah uh lesbian relationships are extremely toxic i still have a lot of friends who are lesbian and it's

00:55:09.820 like constant like in the hospital you just got beat up like broke a bottle over your head you're in

00:55:17.340 the club you get into a bar fight like it's like oh my gosh um so my my grandma right she's 60 she has

00:55:26.380 a friend who's like a long-term long-term lesbian 60 years old as well like around there um she her and

00:55:33.980 her spouse are like constantly like you're generalizing hell because like okay well that's

00:55:39.900 just my experience that's literally just my experience i'm taking that and i'm putting it

00:55:43.100 into my mom and her girlfriend's relationship and it is 100 the same it is constant bickering it is

00:55:47.740 constant violence yeah that would be like that with any relationship no 100 percent

00:55:52.220 lesbian relationships have a 47 to 49 percent rate of domestic violence right sexual like violence

00:55:57.420 right it's also like it's like just like half of all marriages end it's well that's something

00:56:01.500 like it's not necessarily more like messed up i don't think if you factor in the fact that they

00:56:06.220 got married outside of the church meaning that they don't have that long-term traditional marriage

00:56:09.900 vows meaning that they got married for some second or third reason as in like for tax reasons or for

00:56:14.940 some like yeah reason that isn't well i'm just i'm just saying like like like i feel like it might be

00:56:20.620 like not necessarily one breaks up more than the other statistically yes statistically well it's because it's two

00:56:26.780 women well like two women are going to be like that's who does a poll like like probably people

00:56:31.820 that like are in a i don't know you know what i'm saying that's like such a specific group but it's

00:56:36.300 like typically if you examine women who identify as lesbians they usually have issues with their

00:56:40.940 parents particularly their father so what they're looking for in another woman is basically the

00:56:44.620 stability that they can't really seem to find in men so they try to seek that stability out in another

00:56:49.260 woman feeling like they're more safe there but in reality if you get two women who are both unstable

00:56:54.140 who are emotionally volatile who are looking for a sense of peace from another woman who doesn't

00:56:58.300 even know it typically why they gotta be unstable like like can't you be lesbian and stable yeah

00:57:05.980 that's not usually the case i don't know i feel like you definitely can i feel like there's

00:57:11.100 there's some lesbians who are just chill but inside they kind of keep all of that like turbulence

00:57:15.580 shut down and those typically tend to be the victims in lesbian relationships and it's like two girls

00:57:20.460 like two very emotional people like that just causes for a lot of chaos exactly a lot yeah and

00:57:26.700 that's just been my experience and like i feel like men are ten times more chaotic for the long-term

00:57:32.300 lesbians too for the long-term lesbians like like the one i was just saying my grandma's friend

00:57:36.940 she told she told us she said look like these are my dating options like i cannot leave my partner

00:57:43.420 because she's trapped yeah she's she's like i'm literally trapped like once you get too deep into

00:57:48.220 it like she donated two hundred dollars oh thanks why is it that if a woman sleeps with a bunch of men

00:57:54.940 she's a sloat but if a man does the same thing then he's gay question good job casting the most

00:58:01.420 mentally unstable panel ever you've outdone yourself wow thank you wow okay he's asking why he's asking why

00:58:10.300 he can't sleep with a bunch of men otherwise he's called gay no no no sleeping with a bunch of women

00:58:15.260 i feel like when a man sleeps with a bunch of women like repeatedly they're overcompensating for

00:58:19.900 something they're like not getting what they're looking for in all these women but you he's making

00:58:25.100 a joke did you just get the no no was it a joke i didn't know okay here why is it when women sleep

00:58:31.420 with a bunch of men they're sluts but when a man does the same thing he's gay all of a sudden

00:58:41.180 the robot voice did not portray that

00:58:43.900 the robot did not sound like that all right continuing on with uh continuing on with relationship

00:58:48.700 status so you said you're single and you're celibate correct okay so uh wait is it you two

00:58:54.940 who are celibate and then you two i would say demisexual demisexual yeah she's demisexual

00:59:00.380 to celibates i just basically don't have sex with someone else i'm dating them i kind of like not to

00:59:06.220 like denigrate your decisions obviously because when i was younger i also identified as demisexual but i

00:59:10.540 think if you want you can denigrate but the only reason demisexual became a term is just because we

00:59:14.460 live in such a hypersexual reality that now everyone expects you to clarify yeah i'm not gonna have sex

00:59:19.340 with you until at minimum i have some bond with you which is like the bare minimum yeah i feel like

00:59:24.940 i don't like those terms because it gives them that credence yeah everybody how long have you been

00:59:29.980 celibate for well i wouldn't say celibate sorry we're going back to demisexual and the last time i saw

00:59:38.460 my ex would be about two weeks ago and you could imagine what we did per period but then could i

00:59:46.060 imagine i don't but then let me add this we're talking about sexual we've all been there done

00:59:51.660 that two weeks wait wait go ahead yeah okay so we had sexual and of course thank you the following week

00:59:56.220 week he brings a girl a new girl into where we both work three days in a row

01:00:02.620 yeah dude i'm just you guys were you guys broken up we we had been breaking broken up yes for like

01:00:09.100 about two months and he just kept going back and forth with me telling me that we would get back

01:00:13.260 together and then like i'm just being this girl in love no i'm gonna wait for him no dude i'm so

01:00:19.500 over that good i'm not playing these games anymore he's probably two months ago he broke up he needs

01:00:25.740 that attention about so he does care he does like you he does care about you but he likes the attention

01:00:30.540 you're giving him he can't give that affection exactly he has to have more like not just from you

01:00:34.780 like it interests him to have more yeah yeah i'm just saying you should have never let him play in

01:00:39.420 your face like that from the beginning hey some of us aren't that smart okay it takes us a minute

01:00:45.580 i'm literally sweating bullets i thought we turned it off i didn't know the heater's still

01:00:51.340 on can we turn it off i thought it was turned off holy shit oh she likes it okay all right

01:01:00.460 nah well i it's probably too windy um uh what about you your relationship status go ahead um i am

01:01:07.740 currently with my longest lover of four years boyfriend girlfriend how boyfriend how long

01:01:14.220 distance four years uh he's in canada oh well you live in canada too right no oh i live in texas

01:01:21.740 how did you know long distance were you long distance i'm like wait a minute or yeah wow wait so

01:01:30.620 have you guys seen each other yeah oh okay yeah uh what about you recently me i'm single-ish

01:01:39.740 single-ish what is so you're dating like seven dudes i'm single but is it complicated i still talk

01:01:47.180 to my ex but you and are you seeing other guys no i cannot what do you mean cannot i um emotionally i

01:01:58.380 yeah i just don't have interest in it it's just like i'll go on hinge or bumble and like swipe on dudes

01:02:03.820 and i'll talk to him and they'll say something and then i'll just like get annoyed i'm just like how long

01:02:10.460 were you seeing your ex who it's currently complicated we were friends for a year before

01:02:15.020 we started dating and but we broke up how long ago brie i don't know it's been off and on a lot

01:02:22.300 yeah it's been off and on a lot so i don't know like a month ago maybe you broke up a month ago but

01:02:26.540 you continue to have sex with him yes why gain a new body like why waste it but it's not really a

01:02:35.260 breakup if you're continuing it's not i mean we're not together and we have established that

01:02:40.540 that we're not boyfriend and girlfriend but he's still taking advantage of that you're still having

01:02:44.460 an intimate relationship it's like he's using your feelings against you and what if she's using him

01:02:50.540 for his body when they use men for sex all the time we don't have sex every time it happens to me

01:02:56.060 always we don't have sex every time we hang out you women all you think about is sex okay you guys

01:03:02.060 sometimes a guy just wants to cuddle okay i just want to talk i have not come across any of those

01:03:08.300 i just want to talk you know anytime a guy starts cuddling with me he starts getting a little touchy

01:03:13.020 and you just know what he wants automatically and then it starts poking yeah my boyfriend likes to just

01:03:17.500 cuddle and then you're like i want to just cuddle right now where'd you find out on amazon

01:03:21.260 uh so okay right now it's kind of complicated with uh with your guy what about you uh i just got

01:03:32.300 into a relationship after like a really long time of being single all right congrats how long have you

01:03:38.300 guys been dating uh well we met like three months ago but then he was gone for a month and then i was

01:03:43.980 gone for a month and then now we're like kind of like officially one month yeah okay how long were

01:03:52.620 you single before him oh like um six years six years yeah okay and is this your longest relationship

01:04:07.420 definitely a month no i mean you were single for six years so oh my i was dating a guy from 13 to 16

01:04:17.100 so three 13 can you yeah count like a junior high school relationship i know i don't count oh it was

01:04:23.740 like super serious actually okay like it was really serious it was serious he flew out to see me

01:04:29.260 like three times uh-uh like three times how old was he uh he was the same age how did you meet him

01:04:36.380 at this 13 year old being flying out so he flew out or his parents flew him out his mom drove him

01:04:45.500 all the way from ohio um so he um i literally i thought i was gonna marry this guy so he at 13

01:04:52.380 at 16 13 year olds are deep feelers 13 year olds are very deep like um yeah so that's why i won't let

01:04:58.780 my kids have relations it's super cringe we met on xbox live yep definitely getting married he actually

01:05:05.340 he actually he was really into my friend but my friend like rejected him

01:05:14.140 and then like months later he just messages me on xbox so he's like i see you're watching

01:05:21.020 plan i didn't work so he went to plan b and you took it yeah no i maybe don't ever be a plan

01:05:26.460 13 um yeah and then he ended up being a major douchebag like yeah miss girl you were playing

01:05:33.020 in the call i i dodged a huge bullet no like um yeah it was long distance his mom drove him out to

01:05:38.940 see me and then i think he he like flew like once he got of age for sure once he got older yeah and

01:05:46.220 then and then i was kind of like hey i think i'm like a lesbian and then he was like cool i think i'm

01:05:51.420 gay oh and then um now he worked now he has a baby so i mean that was like so he went from

01:05:59.260 he thinks he's gay to having a baby yeah he has a baby with his partner like a guy partner or she's

01:06:04.700 a they them okay okay yeah i don't know a better way so it's like it's basically kind of a win-win for

01:06:11.500 him yeah he gets the best of both worlds yeah okay yeah i i went to say i mean he's gotta fulfill

01:06:20.300 his fantasy somehow so that works for him that works for him yeah do you think maybe perchance

01:06:25.020 because that was your one experience with a man you were like i'm done with this i'm gonna become

01:06:28.780 a lesbian and then you realize the reality of that and then you stopped with that too um so like okay so

01:06:34.380 we were like madly in love and then when i met him in person um i hated him you didn't see a space

01:06:43.420 on xbox live no we video we video chatted all day every day like all day all throughout the night

01:06:49.180 like all the time we video chatted constantly but it's like when he came in person i couldn't turn

01:06:55.020 him off you know like you could just put the phone down be like okay i'm done talking to you you're

01:06:59.340 getting annoying like put the phone down don't answer right i couldn't turn him off in person

01:07:04.300 and that was um why i got annoying yeah yeah wait what yeah she couldn't just hang up the

01:07:11.660 hold on what the hell wait uh we have 36 this must be a glitch on my computer do we have 36 000

01:07:22.060 people watching currently well wait what have you seen all of us wait is that like the most you've

01:07:30.620 ever had or something wait what the hell what somebody must have how's this happening i just

01:07:36.860 have really good stories this is really strange no no no no this is this i have like 200 let me just

01:07:44.380 let me just give you some more space though you can just did it wait chat i just i just pulled up it on

01:07:49.740 my on my end normally i'm not keeping track of our concurrent viewers did chat did this just happen

01:07:55.740 is this on youtube or twitch it's on youtube is that a lot check that's how much do you usually

01:08:03.500 have i just want to put it into perspective for myself um is it usually ten thousand no it's like

01:08:09.500 between five and ten k so so you have like three times the amount somebody's um i i don't know maybe

01:08:17.660 we're getting did it just bump because i think we're somebody's like trying to is sending bots or

01:08:23.180 something but probably like view botting because i don't know how it works on youtube compared to

01:08:26.940 twitch but that's are there raids on youtube i don't stream on youtube that's super weird anyways i

01:08:31.740 don't know um i guess we'll find out run ads hey unless some like some other major streamer did a

01:08:39.260 redirect but most people don't do that i can't well in any case we have 30 somehow 30 000 concurrent

01:08:44.940 viewers i have no idea it must be bought somebody's boughting it um it's the xbox live boy he misses her

01:08:56.140 low key it's really weird um anyways um where were we were talking about relationship status uh i think

01:09:01.500 we we finished with you go ahead with you um single and my last relationship was four years which was

01:09:09.100 the longest relationship i've had and that was about a year and a half ago if not two years ago okay

01:09:14.700 all right wait so sorry i i'm kind of like distracted by this because could you just repeat that you're

01:09:20.380 currently in a what single no single single yeah how long have you been single about a year and a

01:09:25.020 half to two years okay one to two all right perfect all right so we've gone around the table we've

01:09:30.220 gotten everybody's relationship status so i do want to ask uh i thought this would be an interesting

01:09:34.940 question to ask so um are your parents going around the table starting with you are your parents

01:09:40.060 still together um no they're not they haven't been since i've been like a baby they were were they

01:09:46.220 married and then got divorced or just never married yeah they were married okay but uh then they split

01:09:51.900 up when you were uh young yeah okay what about you my parents are still together somehow they literally

01:09:58.140 met when they were like somehow heck oh hello young and i don't know they've been able to stick by

01:10:05.980 each other even with like hell problems so yeah nice they're good to learn from them yeah okay never

01:10:13.580 quit they're married yeah they're made gotcha what about you contrary to popular belief uh i do have a

01:10:20.940 father and in fact he is absolutely infatuated with my mother i have never seen such an example of what

01:10:27.900 it means to love and be loved than i do watching the way that my father treats my mother and the way

01:10:33.900 that they together operate and support each other as partners it's one of the most beautiful things

01:10:39.740 i've ever gotten to witness practically they're like their business partners their business owners

01:10:43.260 their romantic partners i mean ride or dies genuinely that's beautiful yeah you sound very intelligent so i

01:10:49.580 mean that's like not really like hard to you just dress colorful like thank you barbie i like to dress

01:10:54.940 colorful like i'm just not today but what about you my parents are divorced divorced as fuck um

01:11:03.820 they got divorced when i was like 15. 15 okay got it what about you i kind of touched on it already

01:11:09.660 but my parents are divorced they've been divorced since i was probably like seven or eight years old

01:11:13.660 they absolutely hate each other's guts they don't talk haven't spoken in years

01:11:18.300 same with you kayla yeah okay what about you um my biological parents are not together and my

01:11:26.220 adult parents are not together either all right what about you my parents are divorced divorced yeah

01:11:32.220 so my parents had actually gotten divorced over a disagreement with like religious beliefs and then

01:11:38.140 after like five seven years um like they kept on good terms the entire time and still like co-parented really

01:11:44.060 well and they got remarried now and i think they're like really happy really healthy really supportive

01:11:49.180 and i'm like really like happy for them and proud of them basically um my parents are still together but

01:11:56.380 sometimes i think they shouldn't be why do you think they shouldn't be um my mom is very unaffectionate

01:12:05.820 and doesn't like to she's not i feel like she's not in touch with her feelings she has a very hard time

01:12:11.580 like showing her love so your dad deserves better from my dad is like it's weird it's like you know

01:12:18.220 how in relationships usually the mom is more loving and showing like more affection yeah it's the opposite

01:12:23.420 my dad is so like supportive and like yeah giving the girls compliments and like oh how was your day

01:12:29.020 and my mom was just like just like there but like have you tried like talking to her about it and like

01:12:34.300 confronting her we don't really have conversations our conversations always turned into arguments

01:12:42.060 we can't just like sit down and it just always gets too heated yeah that really sucks i haven't really

01:12:48.940 talked to them since they kicked me out huh i haven't seen them for like the holidays or like anything

01:12:56.380 um but i actually just found out that my mom has cancer so i kind of feel like now that i feel like it's

01:13:07.180 pressured to make up with her now i think putting an effort will definitely be worth it um it'll also

01:13:13.500 i think be like really difficult but maybe having a potentially a third party could help but i think

01:13:18.460 yeah definitely try and you know mend things what you can and hopefully don't have regrets

01:13:23.900 yeah it just kind of sucks because like i've talked to my therapist and she was like you should um want

01:13:30.060 you should be ready for you should how do i word this prepare yourself prepare myself and i should

01:13:37.820 choose to um want to fix my relationship but i feel like i have to find out myself and i don't really

01:13:48.060 fully forgive them for what they've done but now i feel like it's rushed we're like i have to you know now

01:13:53.340 i have to uh where did you share your parent parent status me yeah no we left off with you

01:14:01.180 here let's go ahead um yeah my parents are divorced parents are married but my mother passed away two

01:14:07.980 and a half years ago sorry to hear that um someone else yeah so i don't know there's a weird viewership

01:14:14.060 thing going on here um i don't know like first off i mean i this is our normal viewership is somewhere

01:14:23.180 between like five five to ten thousand tops typically so i'm not claiming this viewership i think somebody

01:14:31.900 is viewbotting us i don't know if if youtube is watching this isn't like i ain't claiming this is

01:14:39.580 our normal views like somebody is like targeted view viewbotting us um i think it's probably fine

01:14:46.220 like um do that though isn't that a good thing though yeah no not really uh i mean like if you're

01:14:53.980 if like there's some way to prove that it's like the channel originator yeah if they can prove that

01:15:00.220 the host is the one like who's viewbotting it like a violation of terms of service but so i don't know

01:15:07.100 if like this is a targeted attack but i mean um we've done 140 episodes and typically our viewership

01:15:13.660 is between five to ten thousand people uh this is clearly i unless we got a redirect this is clearly

01:15:19.660 not our normal viewership so uh if youtube admins are watching i think we're getting view butted by

01:15:24.860 somebody else i don't know in any case um let's continue on with the show so i'm trying to see where

01:15:32.220 we uh left off here i think we uh i want to get into a lot of you provided some pre-show notes and

01:15:38.140 there's a lot of pre-show notes from all of you guys so nick the fuck was that dude why why did you

01:15:44.380 do that i didn't need to all right um so you guys provided a lot of pre-show notes so i want to just go

01:15:54.060 over it um let's see so we have kayla you said in your pre-show notes that you provided to us

01:16:03.260 that uh you were a cam girl yes no longer cam girl though is that correct no longer you said you uh

01:16:09.900 somebody wanted to do you wanted he wanted to be degraded yeah and he wanted what he wanted me to push

01:16:19.100 yeah he came on cam ready to do this he had a metal clamp and he wanted me to force him like

01:16:30.300 like tell him to push him to cut off one of his balls and he did what get out and then he came back

01:16:38.300 later like i guess let's not be too graphic with any of the descriptions but he did he actually

01:16:44.300 flop he actually did it yes have you seen it i saw it went flop

01:16:52.140 what if it was fake like why did you encourage this because he paid me like two thousand dollars

01:16:56.860 and like if he's already like on the site like someone that's gonna get the money yeah me or

01:17:01.740 someone else wait so but he paid you two thousand for you to just watch him do it did you get like

01:17:07.340 tell him to like did you get the money before like yeah even i gotta send an ass word on this one

01:17:13.260 well yeah and then he came back um again and then showed me the scar maybe he was trying to

01:17:21.580 traumatize you out of the industry but like well that's crazy there are people that are actually

01:17:28.300 masochistic yeah yeah no there are people like that yeah absolutely yeah i know so he venmo'd you

01:17:35.180 two thousand k no on the site you took me on the site so it was taxed on that site not even direct

01:17:43.020 yeah because then like you can't like give your venmo on those sites because then they oh i wouldn't

01:17:46.940 know yeah like it's like only fans like you can't like give your cash app on there how are like are

01:17:51.980 you do you have mental scars like he showed you on camera doing it correct yes i feel like that'd be

01:17:59.660 kind of a little traumatizing to see somebody mutilate themselves oh i'm fine fuck it two thousand

01:18:06.860 bucks okay she's kayla's kayla's a fucking trooper she's a trooper okay all right it was a dream

01:18:17.260 okay uh let's see you also said you think it's hard for lots of people today nowadays because we all have

01:18:22.300 so much accessibility to so many people that a lot of people think they can always have

01:18:26.300 something better instead of trying to really deeply bond and understand somebody else well

01:18:31.900 you've been in a relationship for three years right so did you i mean is that something you

01:18:35.260 experienced prior to your relationship kayla just also like friends like one of my friends they talk

01:18:41.340 about the relationships a lot and i think people don't put in the work like like keep trying when

01:18:49.340 they're in a relationship because they think oh i think i just i can deserve better i can do better and

01:18:54.540 then you don't realize like later on when you break up with them like months down the line that

01:18:59.340 you actually weren't treating that you weren't being treated that bad and that the dating pool is

01:19:04.300 actually shitty i see you don't know what you got until it's gone and they're literally crazy i've

01:19:09.820 heard a man like literally say to me like who like would cheat on their girl all the time and like

01:19:18.940 maddie can you get that continue literally said like oh i can go out here and like cheat as much as

01:19:23.820 i want and then like go up to my girl and straight light her face and she will never know like i'm

01:19:28.460 just that good at manipulation i'm like okay and like and like so i don't know i think just like

01:19:37.100 men are literally like delusional in certain ways that's why when i hear something like that now like

01:19:41.340 when i see a man like i just like i just know like they they just aren't they don't think right you

01:19:47.820 know what i mean but are they wrong i want to like add something and bring it back with like

01:19:52.220 full love and respect but you also said that you're delusional yes true but that doesn't mean my

01:19:57.500 delusions are mean or rude or damaging you know yeah have you um it sounds like a lot of the people

01:20:03.100 you've met have been very like questionable where do you normally like meet people um shoot i guess

01:20:08.940 like probably at like music shows or like through like friends and stuff or like dming on instagram

01:20:16.300 yeah okay but anyways like are they are they wrong though what do you mean like that they can go

01:20:24.220 cheat go up to their girlfriend they're not wrong they're not wrong yeah no i know they find enjoyment

01:20:30.220 out of it i know enjoyment in the fact that it's wrong like they like like like it to feel wrong

01:20:38.380 that brings them joy my brother is one of those guys i think those type of men are really emotionally

01:20:44.780 broken and they know what type of women are going to let themselves and i i don't want to say let

01:20:49.180 themselves but it's like there's they target emotionally unwell women so that way they basically

01:20:53.820 get them hooked on this chaos and they know that it's gonna be in their yeah no but they're literally

01:20:59.260 like and like the girl won't like know or if she knows she'll lie to yourself yeah yeah yeah it's not

01:21:06.700 all men but those type of men they know who to go for basically and those type of women tend to only

01:21:11.420 go for the men who like want that chaos basically that's why if you feel a guy's boring maybe that's

01:21:18.700 good and you should push through that that way you're not led by emotion which is typically what

01:21:23.180 ends relationships which is like oh i'm not feeling it anymore and it's like you don't feel it all the

01:21:27.020 time so that's kind of my two cents yeah i don't know like opposites are like good sometimes though

01:21:34.300 yeah i think that could play into like the coolidge effect as well if anyone wants to explain that

01:21:39.180 oh like the coolidge effect like with like the porn and like how like porn affects your brain well how

01:21:42.780 like the addiction with like oh yeah like the dopamine receptors yeah absolutely i mean it completely

01:21:47.580 makes sense it completely makes sense that there are individuals that are actually actively frying their

01:21:54.300 brains chemically with either the porn they're consuming on the side whether whatever flirting

01:21:59.100 they might be doing at you know in their personal time and you know whatever so i think that a lot

01:22:03.020 of a lot of individuals can operate in a similar sadistic way but they write off their sadism as

01:22:09.340 acceptable because well i mean i'm not i'm not this bad i'm not actually out there doing this

01:22:14.620 when it is just as damaging no there was this one guy that i knew that just kind of sent me spiraling

01:22:18.860 because it was like he was trying to do that whole baiting thing where it's like trying to love bomb you

01:22:22.780 basically where it's like they try to give you the flattery the whole i i've never kind of i don't

01:22:27.740 know i've always seen that as being just kind of stupid but what annoyed me was that

01:22:32.780 he would excuse things that were just awful like he had a thing for having intercourse with like

01:22:38.220 married women and he said that it was like super attractive to him yeah and i'm like the things

01:22:42.860 that people like that will normalize and then the way that they'll emotionally manipulate women who

01:22:47.260 are emotionally unwell it's something that needs to have a level of awareness risen because right now all that's

01:22:52.620 happening is just glamorization romanticization of that being like oh that's what for example i

01:22:57.660 imagine in the case of your parents since they have that sort of like intense sort of chaotic

01:23:02.060 relationship you are also that loyal that devoted that sort of like i'll never give up on you yeah but

01:23:08.780 you have it in a way where it's not organized and it's not in a way where let's like these are the

01:23:13.820 bullet points that i need from a relationship you have it in a way where it's like as long as you're

01:23:17.820 sticking with me no matter what you do to me i'll be there for you and men typically won't value that

01:23:24.620 they won't appreciate that they'll just find someone else that they can get another thrill from

01:23:29.180 basically definitely in my last relationship i was cheating on like all the time but like i just felt

01:23:34.460 like i loved them so much that the hurt that of getting out of it would be like 10 times worse than

01:23:40.300 like that's the manipulation it's the drug it's like a drug addiction you were addicted to their

01:23:45.260 like emotional input their like company you're attached to them but you don't actually love them

01:23:49.340 because love doesn't i don't know it feels like you love them it's like a stockholm syndrome yeah

01:23:53.900 exactly you can love them syndrome i suppose where it's like love is supposed to be a feeling where

01:23:58.460 you feel grateful for the person it's not supposed to be a feeling where are they with another woman

01:24:03.020 right now i need them so badly if you need that it's i mean and that's the thing about forgiveness i

01:24:08.060 feel like i'm able to forgive and forget almost instantaneously just because like i don't know i feel

01:24:13.260 like if you dwell hold grudges it only keeps down your energy and like literally i'm so focused on

01:24:18.540 like trying to just like live my most like positive like life and mindset yeah like i just like i really

01:24:25.020 sincerely don't care if there's like a lack of like and excuse me once again it's like a measure of a

01:24:30.380 lack of standards it's like yes you shouldn't hold grudges yes you shouldn't be resentful but the fact

01:24:34.460 that you're like basically dming guys first basically asking them to love you forgiving them isn't

01:24:39.660 necessarily forgiving them it's just looking the other way and hoping that they'll give you

01:24:43.260 something that they're basically too broken inside to give you yeah going to zombie here brie

01:24:51.180 zombie you said you had you had a crazy unique story a guy dm'd you said he'd give you 200 to

01:24:57.100 take a picture with him in new york and you did it and he was shaking when he was yeah he was like

01:25:02.060 beside me and he was like literally like whimpering is that is that that's your craziest i don't i mean

01:25:07.500 i have like a couple crazy stories but okay but also that's not the first time someone asked to

01:25:11.820 take a picture with her i don't know remember when you went on the train so yeah here's someone also

01:25:18.460 asked to like take a picture with her okay all right uh we have crunk here crunkasaurus is that

01:25:25.900 who's crunkasaurus you're you're crunkasaurus oh uh okay you're you're a feminist correct you

01:25:31.660 describe yourself as a feminist yes okay you say you wanted to talk about how men treat women

01:25:37.340 like like um yeah exactly no it's my type in men and so that's why i'm taking a step back and

01:25:53.580 looking at myself what is wrong with myself but it's like attracted to that chaos though it feels

01:26:00.300 good it feels exciting do you have like a role model of a healthy relationship no not a single

01:26:07.180 one so yeah maybe like go to church and find like an old married couple and ask people that have been

01:26:12.380 together for 60 years like go ask them like how do you like find a good partner and how do you like

01:26:17.020 stay together for so long well i have a question because you guys have like a very specific aesthetic

01:26:21.900 and i think this might be related to you guys do you guys also want to date men within your

01:26:27.900 i don't know sub-genre or subculture or aesthetic because

01:26:36.460 call me daddy is that is that who rated us no they don't live stream uh call me daddy thank you

01:26:42.060 for the gifted 50 memberships um i is that actually that'd be curious if it's it's actually them i don't

01:26:49.500 think so that i think that's the the podcast or whatever i think it's called her daddy oh call her

01:26:53.660 yeah okay duh thank you yeah i got that i got that wrong yeah i know i don't listen to it but

01:26:58.940 i've heard of it um thank you for the gifted 50 memberships appreciate it so i mean it occurs to me

01:27:05.740 that could the people that are drawn to these subcultures no offense to you guys who are in it but

01:27:13.740 could they be more predisposed or could there be some correlation with you know either mental illness

01:27:21.900 yes most definitely like i think a lot of like us like girlies with beautiful princess disorder

01:27:30.380 what is that what is beautiful princess disorder bpd but maybe the bipolar personalities

01:27:37.180 borderline personality disorder okay do you have bpd um you know i've never been diagnosed i have been

01:27:44.140 diagnosed bipolar but uh i didn't go my therapist long enough i like only went in when i was like about

01:27:49.820 51 50 myself and then i was like oh i'm fine the next day growing up growing up in a household with

01:27:54.140 that as like a very large theme of mental illness being a very large theme just without i didn't have

01:28:00.540 a choice in it i really hate the um yossification of uh bpd it's beautiful princess disorder like no

01:28:07.100 you need help and you want to be a member of society that can be good to the people around you and i think

01:28:13.420 that that is something exciting to go into and look into i think you're amazingly beautiful but i do

01:28:18.380 support therapy a lot it has helped me a ton in my life i i think i and my friend here would probably

01:28:24.540 support maybe looking into a religion i mean no i've been to like a few different therapists but like

01:28:29.980 like like literally like if i only go when i'm straight in crisis and then as soon as i'm like

01:28:35.260 not i'm like it's like you need that follow through i feel like therapy isn't sorry what you need is like

01:28:40.780 a deep sense of inner love and i think therapy sometimes is absent of that therapists just don't

01:28:44.700 understand exactly they literally don't relate they don't like like i'll tell them a story one

01:28:50.060 yeah you have to find one that's for you because i've never had a good time with therapists and i've

01:28:54.540 never found one that like it's just basically talk therapy and it's like i already know what's going

01:28:57.980 on it's stupid i can literally call any of my friends and do the same thing for free i would say

01:29:01.980 just like read proverbs and maybe some life lessons will come to you basically read books and

01:29:07.420 yeah that basically explain books are definitely helpful no i do i i do i actually agree if not

01:29:13.340 therapy religion is absolutely amazing i've probably had thousands of therapists like thousands like a

01:29:19.740 lot did they help like every week that just sounds like a lot of money and a lot of waste of time exactly

01:29:25.340 i can like figure this out for myself and find my own outlets and find like way more i don't know

01:29:30.300 just beneficial things but it's not it seems like it well and it seems like you you kind of going

01:29:34.220 about it yourself you're at a loss you're like well i'm involuntary celibate i'm not you know

01:29:37.900 interact well like that's like a lit thing to me that's not a good that's not a bad thing to me

01:29:42.860 you know what i mean i think that in your case it's like it's not that you're about your own thing it's

01:29:47.180 just that once again as explained like therapists just they just give you therapy language they just

01:29:52.300 give you a therapy brain but they don't actually give you the solutions or the deep answers that you

01:29:57.100 seek coping skills exactly yeah i think in your case it's like the only problem is resolution for sure but i think

01:30:03.020 in your case maybe the the thing you're looking for is that sort of like unconditional love that

01:30:06.940 cannot come from a man it can't come from another human being i think you need something that gives

01:30:10.540 you a deep meaning in life and synthesis jesus yeah can i just say also i didn't find a man until i

01:30:18.060 stopped looking and i started working on myself like i i was looking for years like i was like i need

01:30:24.860 like i was like i need someone like you were saying earlier i need somebody yeah and i was like looking on

01:30:28.860 dating apps constantly constantly yeah and like it was finally when i stopped looking and then my

01:30:35.180 friend said girl we need to get you a guy and i was like no thank you you know yeah i just think that

01:30:40.060 i'm just way too impatient like when i like want things in life like i don't have any what's called

01:30:46.300 not instant gratification like the opposite nothing good comes easy yeah exactly and you can't be picky

01:30:51.500 see that's the thing is literally like i was so picky on these dating websites you cannot be picky my

01:30:56.780 friend but then you're settling why would you want to settle no but you're not you're absolutely not

01:31:01.340 let me tell you my friend told me pay pay the one dollar to see everybody who likes you and i had like

01:31:06.860 thousands from months of having this app and i swipe she told me to swipe swipe on all of them

01:31:12.460 and i was like oh but no no no not this guy swipe on him like she was like swipe on every single one

01:31:17.180 and i got a guy that is now my boyfriend who is an amazing guy brings me flowers every single time we

01:31:24.540 meet pays for dinner is just a lovely amazing guy and he he he was one of those guys and he actually

01:31:31.500 sent me like a note from like like six months before that and i didn't see it because i didn't

01:31:36.700 swipe right on him and i swiped right honestly baby check thank you for the gift of 20 memberships

01:31:42.860 appreciate it well okay going back to the question at hand so um are you exclusively are you guys

01:31:47.820 exclusively trying to date people within your subculture no yes uh i'm in a relationship

01:31:54.780 well you're in a relationship but i mean you're single you're single you're single i used to but

01:31:59.420 like they're just like mentally like disabled and like wait they're what they're like i don't know

01:32:05.180 they're mentally disabled they might be no i just like look for like normal people and like yeah

01:32:23.660 okay question for for you guys are you heavily tattooed um on my legs legs i think you two are

01:32:29.740 pretty heavily tattooed would you prefer a guy who's heavily tattooed yes i love men with tattoos

01:32:34.780 pretty much only is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't have no tattoos like no tattoos no choir

01:32:41.500 boy shit i'm no no yeah definitely not i can't do it like any normie like you can't do the normie

01:32:47.180 no but if you okay they don't understand you're going to continuously judgmental your rejection of

01:32:53.180 normie men is going to lead you to continuously date it's just like how do you even talk to them

01:32:59.420 like if i want to talk about like music art like any of like the stuff i'm interested in

01:33:04.220 like they literally have nothing to say or they just be like i just go to work i mean you could

01:33:07.500 introduce like you could introduce them to your art or your the type of music or you just start

01:33:14.700 listening to fucking swag if you have no swag then like honestly no swag like you're not gonna click

01:33:22.220 at all like you have to like like i don't know it's a whole like bad boy thing like the bad boy can i

01:33:28.540 can i reject the premise that there is a inherent like issue with the way that people you got if

01:33:34.300 you're gonna speak please speak into the microphone go ahead sorry i'm hiding i mean we've told you

01:33:39.100 multiple times we go ahead sorry bestie um yeah i'd like to reject the premise that it's a something

01:33:43.420 to do with the subculture because in fact the most fetishistic men that have ever interacted with me

01:33:48.140 are considered normie men they like the idea of having that wild child that oh my gosh i'm gonna shock

01:33:53.420 my parents i'm gonna shock my family those are the experiences that i've had and i it hasn't made me

01:33:58.540 swear off to anything but what it has made me do is realize that there's a bigger issue at hand than

01:34:03.340 this sub-genre of music that somebody listens to i think it's a beautiful thing that somebody can

01:34:07.500 share essentially straw manning my argument and also i didn't make the claim that normie men can't

01:34:13.260 be dysfunctional in some way the point i was trying to make is the people that might be attracted

01:34:18.540 or might be more uh more uh likely to participate in certain subcultures there could very well be and

01:34:28.300 i haven't researched it but there very well could be and it may very well be factually the case that

01:34:33.820 it does attract certain types of personalities and perhaps there's a correlation with either

01:34:39.180 past trauma or mental illness i'm not saying they're bad people but i didn't that's how we relate i

01:34:44.540 didn't mean to insinuate that they were bad people she was explaining how in her experience

01:34:48.780 that normies have nothing to offer they're so boring and to me i said well that's really interesting

01:34:52.140 because my personal experience as an alternative person who's dressed like this for a number of

01:34:56.220 years and lived an alternative lifestyle is that's been the attitude that i've received in certain

01:35:00.860 situations being from the southern united states in those environments and i don't think that's a

01:35:04.940 bad thing to point out it's just a different experience there's a lot of traditional men who do

01:35:09.100 like girls like you because it gives them that sense of i'm saving you basically you just have to

01:35:13.500 let them is the point but i don't want to let them and i don't want to be with them because

01:35:17.900 like i don't know i just want somebody i wouldn't want to feel like a project

01:35:21.180 yeah yeah like what i want somebody that's already like that inspires me where i'm around them and

01:35:25.900 they're like you know they invite me to cool things they're connecting me like like i want to feel

01:35:30.380 confident and prideful in who i'm with not like someone i have to like tote around or something but

01:35:35.420 like in private i like them or something so why do you see normal people like that way what do you mean

01:35:41.020 like you're saying like you were categorizing like normie people being like way too lame way too

01:35:44.700 boring oh like like in the past in the past i used to be feral like a literal feral wild animal

01:35:50.540 like i would have you ever had like a normal stable relationship yeah i've had one one that lasted

01:35:56.780 four years that but i mean stable heck no but that's why it worked because we play like we were okay

01:36:03.580 with each other's crazy and in fact like loved each other for it you know like like so it just like

01:36:09.820 worked so well like and so this was the normal relationship i never i don't know about okay

01:36:16.300 maybe i was like in high school i had one but i don't really count that like because i don't know

01:36:20.780 just compared to the love i felt when i was like with somebody like similar to me it was so strong

01:36:26.380 so obsessive and just like it was yes it was it's satisfied addiction yes it's satisfied a certain

01:36:34.060 like you know like when you have these disorders you have a certain need and driving you for risky

01:36:39.980 behaviors it won't come for you i understand that i've like experienced it myself yeah um but i think

01:36:47.180 if you want someone to like actually get you you have to be willing to like give them the chance

01:36:52.380 and like actually be willing to open up to them and even if they may seem like close-minded or something

01:36:57.100 if they open up to you as well which like people normally should in relationships normally people

01:37:02.380 grow together in relationships they come to understand the other become more like the other

01:37:07.660 and i think that would be what it sounds like you're looking for i feel like also like in a

01:37:13.340 relationship with like a norm a normie or however you per se call them like they might not like your

01:37:21.340 aesthetic or whatever but you have to grow with them anyways it's such a big part of my life like

01:37:26.540 fashion is like almost like the number one thing if you're not like that comes first like if you

01:37:33.180 don't like have a certain look it's honestly even though that's super shallow that's just like like

01:37:39.420 it's like on tinder and hinge you don't know these people are you attracted to them why do they have to

01:37:44.940 like it too though why can't you just have your niche and then they might have their own thing i think

01:37:49.340 honestly they kind of do like the aesthetic though yeah yeah they're like too scared to like do it

01:37:53.980 themselves you know i think maybe it's more so and correct me if i'm wrong once again i think

01:37:58.700 because perhaps you might not have a strong understanding of what's going on inside of you

01:38:02.700 you seek other men who parallel you or mirror you so you understand yourself but then there's probably

01:38:08.860 going to come a point where you realize there's severe consequences that come with that that'll make

01:38:12.940 you have to reflect and think i have to kind of like discipline my emotions to remove myself from

01:38:18.380 these intense situations it just like yeah it just like feels impossible sometimes like so many

01:38:24.060 times like what she was saying how like you make a mistake and you're like okay i'm not gonna ever

01:38:28.140 do that again and literally you're doing it over and over but so like that's why i just like

01:38:32.940 completely canceled it all out like i i can't i don't have this one hundred and eleven sextillion

01:38:38.220 one hundred eleven quintillion one hundred and eleven quadrillion one hundred and eleven trillion

01:38:43.740 one hundred and eleven billion one hundred and eleven million one hundred thousand one hundred and

01:38:49.500 eleven donated two hundred dollars a row train goes to

01:39:02.840 that was beautiful that's what i'm trying to be yeah that's what i'm trying to be here bringing

01:39:11.960 it uh back to uh arson princess here uh so you said that you were in a four-year relationship

01:39:17.480 with a videographer and he ended up getting addicted to perks and then got bone cancer

01:39:22.200 and then had to get his leg amputated yeah did you stay with him through that whole process or

01:39:27.800 i stayed with him for like a year through it but just like it it was just like too much like i don't

01:39:35.880 even want to speak hella badly on him just because like he has been through so oh he has been through

01:39:41.560 so much like he didn't even just get his leg amputated it was like left amputated and like

01:39:45.960 put on backwards and then like the foot joint now acts as a knee joint and like bruh like like that

01:39:53.400 happening to someone is like just like i don't know like it takes a toll yeah a crazy toll so

01:40:01.000 like for sure like he just took all his pain out because he had obviously was going through like so

01:40:06.040 much and he just like took it out on me which was like understandable but you can only put up with it

01:40:10.840 so long of like someone being like a raging mess every day so yeah okay and then you also said once

01:40:18.200 sex landed you in the rr er excuse me oh my god wait okay so it was actually like so fun and it's

01:40:23.800 like such a beautiful story even though like it was like it was literally how we fell in love like so

01:40:30.680 it was like our second date literally i met him like the second time i met him and this was when i was

01:40:37.240 in my real email era like i was i would wear like a lot of black and stuff but i at that point in time

01:40:42.360 i identified as a vampire like i was a vampire and um and so like we always like oh we should

01:40:49.560 watch we should try blood play but it was supposed to be just like like silly or whatever just like

01:40:53.320 a tiny little drop like literally just a tiny drop and then but but for some reason like we use a

01:41:00.280 freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull and so like like we tried to do like a tiny cut and like it

01:41:06.840 it wouldn't work and so i was like don't be a pussy and then like i just like grabbed my leg and he's just

01:41:11.880 like i was like just do it really fast and like for some reason in my brain like when i'm manic like

01:41:16.600 it it like doesn't think that correctly and so like he was like okay she say i cut i cut and then so

01:41:25.560 he he just like went once really fast and um my leg ended up like filleting over and like

01:41:34.120 don't show that don't show that don't show that mistake did that was that on camera nick no please tell

01:41:40.680 me nick did did you get any of that on camera um just want it's not your fault but just tell me

01:41:47.080 yes or no did you get it on camera i was watching the screen and it kind of popped up for a split

01:41:51.000 second i showed it that way it wasn't that way just a reference as a person who

01:41:56.360 take her fucking phone please take her fucking phone how did i even get it back

01:42:01.000 for the pinch

01:42:02.040 as a person with a significant history of self-harm that was like really

01:42:08.120 fucked up what you just did damn i'm sorry yeah no i get it because it's like once again it's like

01:42:12.920 you're in the zone you kind of like lose awareness and it's like you kind of can't feel things but

01:42:17.320 yeah i don't know we laughed it off we thought it was funny and then we like went to the er and then

01:42:22.040 i had this whole vision of us like like our whole lives together and like growing old um

01:42:30.360 we that i did used to do a lot of psychedelics so maybe it had to do with that but i don't i don't

01:42:35.240 do psychedelics anymore because i already unlocked the the other 10 percent of my brain you get from

01:42:39.000 that so but stop it put some help but and then like i just was like you know what can you like not

01:42:47.480 ghost me after this and then he didn't leave for four years so it ended up being like like just like

01:42:52.840 a funny thing we laughed about later on no i mean like once again it's like was this the one who had

01:42:57.960 the leg put on backwards yeah it's like although it's like intense and it seems like it's you're

01:43:05.720 satisfying each other's emotional scratching that emotional need basically it's like you're

01:43:09.720 worshiping each other you become each other's gods essentially and it's like you then do things that

01:43:14.040 are like objectively kind of harmful to like a healthy sane society that can go really bad

01:43:20.680 really fast like amy winehouse and her boyfriend they they ended really badly because that's the

01:43:25.880 spiral it's like you're not in love you're just basically spiraling out together and consenting to

01:43:30.040 it so it's it's best to kind of like practice that pause practice that sort of like awareness for your

01:43:35.880 own health and also for the health of those around you as well yeah and see like and that's that's

01:43:41.800 the thing if you surround i don't know just like certain groups like you can like say things like

01:43:48.600 that and like not be judged and like if anything like people like laugh you know what would you

01:43:52.520 define as judgment though like how does judgment what would you define as judgment like a recoil from

01:43:57.080 you or is it like an evaluation of your behavior just not like matching my energy you know yeah it's

01:44:02.520 like i think once again it's like and once again maybe i'm wrong because you might not have an

01:44:07.000 understanding of yourself you enjoy people around you that might make you feel like you can be

01:44:11.560 understood or at least you're safe yes to not feel understood so yeah once again like i think you're

01:44:18.440 in really good steps by staying single for right now just because you might attract people who can

01:44:23.080 hurt you but it's keep in that path and remember the value and self-love that you need on the inside

01:44:29.000 basically i have some more notes here you said dating is ridiculous to me men only bring you down

01:44:33.480 you're celibate you mentioned you're in your incel era you said you said in your pre-show notes here

01:44:39.480 men are all narcissists with anger issues and can't be trusted yeah i like like literally no

01:44:48.200 i don't know for me every man i've talked to like like they talk about them in such a way where

01:44:54.520 they'll like like like say they'll be like oh this guy wears fake designer like or like like this guy

01:45:01.240 like i don't know they'll just like bring down so many others around you like trying to like build

01:45:05.240 themselves up based off their own i don't know and i think it's just like a negative energy to put

01:45:10.520 out that is nasty energy but like i don't like it being generalized on to like yes i do definitely

01:45:16.520 generate generalize it and that's definitely not everyone's experience that's my own personal

01:45:20.680 experience and like i don't know i've just had like almost all of them be negative to the point where

01:45:26.440 it's just like i completely had to switch up my home mentality if i didn't want to remain depressed

01:45:31.080 anymore you know what i mean so it's like a cope yeah i think because if a man is critical if you

01:45:36.440 don't have the tools necessary to like fix whatever they might be criticizing in others which might

01:45:40.840 reflect in yourself then it kind of just depresses you and makes you feel bad about yourself because

01:45:44.520 you're like i don't even think it's just me either like every single story we were talking about

01:45:48.760 lights now literally every story it was talking about how a man was fucking up a subway you too

01:45:53.960 literally every single story i didn't hear one that was like oh this was so positive like you know

01:46:00.440 i've been in an in like absolutely amazing relationship for four years and i would do

01:46:03.960 anything for him like i would give the world to say that i do think like with all of our styles it

01:46:09.560 does tend to be the guys that we are attracted to yes i will admit that like all right a little

01:46:15.320 round of applause for her on that one i'm sorry but like i'm i'm so timely answered the question

01:46:22.040 one of you earlier said like the you like bad boys was it i think it was you who said that i mean

01:46:27.800 is it any surprise but like if if these are the type of men if these are the type of men that you

01:46:34.040 find yourself attracted to bad boys is it any surprise that in eventually down the road they

01:46:42.680 they uh are literal bad yes act badly and uh live up to their reputation um but they're also like a

01:46:52.280 lot of time master manipulators so like they'll literally like come fully convince you you know

01:46:58.040 that so it can't be your fault yeah well i mean i mean i'm not gonna take not any responsibility or

01:47:03.800 whatever but um a lot of things are my fault too but also also i don't know like they'll literally make

01:47:09.800 themselves seem like one way and then like full 360 like change on you over like okay you also wrote

01:47:17.560 that you are a feminist and a liberal you have strong opinions on both um before i go into my

01:47:23.640 next thing um just going around the table uh who here considers themselves a feminist who and then who

01:47:28.920 here uh how do you lean politically are you liberal moderate conservative apolitical starting with you go ahead

01:47:38.360 are you a feminist and then your political leanings i guess kind of yeah kind of yeah a feminist what

01:47:51.080 about your politics i really like politics like that liberal progressive trump supporter what are we

01:47:59.160 talking i guess i i think you probably you seem like a trump supporter to me

01:48:02.920 kanye kanye is more your speed kind of okay good to know um what about you well yeah feminist and

01:48:13.800 liberal for sure sure what about you not a feminist definitely moderate uh i value traditionalism in a

01:48:20.120 lot of ways sure i said feminist and apolitical because doesn't apolitical mean like you don't really

01:48:28.360 have a you're not super involved with politics i wouldn't necessarily say i'm a feminist either

01:48:35.640 um there's definitely statute of limitations you know um i also don't pay attention to any sort of

01:48:42.040 politics because it just destroyed so much of my family it's just like okay um i wouldn't say i'm

01:48:48.360 necessarily a feminist because i feel like the way that it has been turned in today is just there's

01:48:53.720 i don't know it's massage it's like misandry yeah like i have my own idea it's like a feminist is

01:48:59.000 me the traditional definition that's lost i'm sorry um yeah i don't care about politics really that

01:49:05.640 much either what about you yeah i know nothing on politics i don't keep up with any of that stuff

01:49:10.760 i stay in my room and hibernate that's all i care about but apolitical for sure okay yeah

01:49:16.280 i love men i love women i'm like humanitarian just naturalist okay what about you um i am not

01:49:26.440 involved in politics at all okay feminist um i don't know okay what about you um i'm an advocate

01:49:37.800 for women in like my own way definitely not feminist as far as like the typical way um and then i'm like

01:49:46.360 also like i'm pretty conservative from just like what people tell me but like there are

01:49:51.400 definitely some things that i do lean on just because i have i used to be on the other side so

01:49:55.800 i can i guess like understand sure um i'm actually an anti-feminist and i my political leanings are

01:50:04.120 probably like people say it's not pragmatic but i rather have like a catholic or orthodox monarchy

01:50:09.160 and then people are like well you have to bring it down to like a republic but can i can i ask about

01:50:12.600 like for clarification on that when you say you're like anti-feminist are you against like

01:50:16.920 the current form of like third wave it's because because i'm all the way i i don't accept that as

01:50:24.040 feminism i see it as my standardism what wait like like when women will openly be like only elevating

01:50:32.040 themselves to bring and like also like hating on men that is not feminism because it's about being

01:50:35.800 equal it's not about bringing men down so i wanted to clarify if it's more about the the quote unquote

01:50:40.360 feminazis no that you're like actively against no as in the original doctrine of basically trying

01:50:45.160 to break the nuclear family of trying to break like a society based off of faith neighborhoods

01:50:50.280 community ties basically trying to masculinize women feminized men and tell women that you know

01:50:55.160 the gender role is against them and tell men that the gender role is also against them going against

01:50:58.680 biological reality from okay yeah so yeah that's something that i would probably like very much

01:51:03.160 understand and agree with as well okay yeah all right well on that you also said

01:51:10.200 women are so you said women are superior to men republicans just want to see the one percent

01:51:15.960 succeed and are ignorant oh we have a chat coming in here menace donated two hundred dollars brian

01:51:22.200 feel like switching to a beer yet why not enjoy a delicious mayflower cigar too must be 21 or older to

01:51:30.040 order certain restrictions may apply okay uh that's cool do you consume alcohol brian uh i mean very

01:51:41.480 rarely i really don't drink but occasionally i'll have uh a beer i guess but yeah i don't really drink

01:51:48.680 so yeah uh do you want to expand on the whole women are superior to men thing i'm curious about that

01:51:56.440 we just i feel like we just have more power to us like like just think about like all the opportunities

01:52:04.520 like women can get into easily to like elevate so quickly in this world you know what i mean

01:52:10.440 i wouldn't say like getting hurt i wouldn't say women are superior i feel like we're just more

01:52:14.840 intricate and that opens a lot more doors to get like the said power does that typically in your mind

01:52:20.760 or like paradigm include using slash selling your like sexuality for said power uh yes i guess so um

01:52:29.480 but like at the same time i don't know i feel like do you feel like it empowers you

01:52:37.160 definitely not but the results that come from it and the opportunities i've gone from having money

01:52:43.080 like just having money yes money is undeniable and opportunity will literally bring you so many

01:52:48.200 fucking opportunities yes so can i ask you a question do you think hypothetically speaking

01:52:53.080 in another reality do you think that if you fall in love with a man who takes care of you who is

01:52:57.560 everything that you ever wanted scratches that emotional itch gives you that entire

01:53:01.000 like dream basically and he's the one who financially takes care of you and you get to

01:53:04.840 just be at home to be that sounds like a unicorn that sounds like a fairy tale like imagine

01:53:08.600 i won the lottery like you know what i mean like that just sounds it's really unrealistic that's

01:53:12.520 what love is it's traditionalism i would say it's more so like once again the environments

01:53:17.080 that you're in it's a unicorn that's not going to happen in those club scenes it's not going to

01:53:20.440 happen and with anyone who looks at you and goes oh yeah emotionally i can just manipulate her i can

01:53:25.080 use her for this and that and this yeah it's not going to happen however it's not a far-fetched idea

01:53:29.640 a lot of men desperately seek that and they're just kind of like women are just they don't want

01:53:35.640 it they push it away because they associate those men with the men that they're used to who do take

01:53:39.720 advantage of them yeah every other place in the world that's the norm like and that's why men leave

01:53:46.040 the country to go find that and you're saying that's like a unicorn like fairytale dream no that's

01:53:50.840 like everywhere but us yeah but just like i don't know i feel like a lot of girlies that do have

01:53:56.200 like you know bpd and stuff like that you have to be able to be okay with us and like a lot of those men

01:54:03.160 aren't like you know do you think this is the only country with bpd well no i would like you know

01:54:10.360 i would say like i've been the therapist and they've tried telling me that i have like everything under

01:54:14.920 the sun and i'm just kind of like i reject all of that all i needed was jesus but whatever i say that

01:54:20.760 although i understand what you mean when it comes to like men reject you because of x y or z

01:54:24.920 i would also say that you're also playing a part in that by rejecting them as well i think that if

01:54:29.080 you're not ready for that relationship if you're not ready to move forward and say there's some issues

01:54:32.680 with me that i need to address and i want to work with you then naturally the relationship

01:54:37.160 isn't going to take hold but it's like you're pushing them away they meant and none of the men

01:54:42.040 that i have talked to like a relationship isn't even if i were to ask like what are we oh if i

01:54:46.600 were to ask like what are we that would literally like be the most stupid question like they've ever

01:54:51.320 heard you know what i mean men are sure but they make it very well known from the start yeah yeah yeah

01:54:57.640 that's true can i touch on the mental health thing i was told at 16 that i would never be

01:55:03.800 able to live a normal life that i was going to be institutionalized for the rest of my life

01:55:07.400 because i was so crazy and being a woman literally here i am um you know they literally said like you

01:55:15.320 know like don't make plans for her you know really yeah the doctors told that to my family like they

01:55:21.000 said she is not getting out of the hospital like 18 bye you know uh you need to plan for that and i

01:55:28.040 as soon as i got out of my household i moved out the day i turned 18 i was absolutely fine and i went

01:55:33.000 and worked on myself yeah so yeah you can say you have a million disorders it's only as true as you

01:55:39.160 make it to be and i was on so much i was on so much medication yeah and then i'm on no medication now

01:55:45.400 yeah like they told me oh it's a chemical imbalance you like you need this to live like

01:55:49.960 no i did it i needed it for a time but i don't need it totally and i think you're absolutely limiting

01:55:55.400 yourself by i know i like it my mental illness now like it i think it makes me more it makes me more

01:56:02.440 creative i feel like i can spark it's glamorizing mental illness i don't know didn't you say that you

01:56:09.640 weren't actually diagnosed i'm diagnosed bipolar but you claim bpd well i'm pretty sure i have like

01:56:16.280 all the criteria i've been i've been diagnosed bipolar five times and i have absolutely none of

01:56:21.320 the criteria so i i don't even think that's like a very valid like especially you know even diagnosed

01:56:27.960 i don't think that's very valid my friend was also diagnosed bipolar for like her whole life was on

01:56:32.840 the medication and then like now she's borderline yeah yeah exactly that's what i'm saying like these

01:56:40.920 therapists literally can misdiagnose you all the time i'm just like yeah yeah for me but it's limiting

01:56:46.040 yeah yeah so uh you said women are superior to men i'm looking for an explanation of that how

01:56:53.320 in what ways are women superior just because i don't know like i think i just see so much like

01:56:59.640 like evil like behaviors going on in men that like like like when you look at a when you look

01:57:06.920 at a woman when they walk in the room feminine energy lights up the room you know what i mean

01:57:11.960 and like yeah or you feel instantly insecure because every other girl is judging you like

01:57:16.120 this that's a crazy i have a genuine question it depends what scene you're in and what environment

01:57:20.840 you're in you know if you don't have the demons and get out of hell typically if you're emotionally

01:57:25.000 vulnerable the way you are where you're that emotionally giving i have a genuine you're gonna

01:57:28.360 be around do you consider yourself open-minded just um yes and no no i i'm open-minded to kind of the

01:57:37.400 freaks of the world but not open-minded to people i don't think are not open-minded to me how are you

01:57:44.120 it seems like your whole conversation for like the past hour has been very close-minded yeah no okay well

01:57:50.120 let's let's okay so i'm a little confused because you consider yourself a feminist but you say women

01:57:55.800 are superior i mean my the most generous sense my most generous definition of feminism is a a equal

01:58:04.360 equality movement but you say women are superior so that's more like female supremacy not exactly

01:58:11.240 feminism so are you a female supremacist um i guess so in a way okay well she's honest i guess

01:58:20.120 it depends who i'm like talking wait question are women superior to men when it comes to physical

01:58:26.280 strength um it depends on the man he's tiny generally speaking no man that's like no like

01:58:32.120 4 11 generally speaking no just for her this is a question for her generally speaking biologically

01:58:37.080 are women superior to men in physical strength generally speaking i want to say it depends that's

01:58:41.400 literally that's my opinion no generally no i know yes so i'll give you this there are there are some

01:58:47.000 women who are stronger than some men but generally speaking a lot of the guys i talk to are literally

01:58:52.200 like 120 pounds so like i don't know they don't look like that okay do you think that you're stronger

01:58:56.760 than any man in this room group the men that you've talked to into okay okay no they're not stronger

01:59:03.000 maybe what they're not stronger you're not but no women aren't stronger women aren't stronger

01:59:07.000 so you think that you can take on any man in this room i just said women aren't stronger oh i thought

01:59:12.040 you said are okay okay okay i was just curious all right all right um last thing there's more notes for

01:59:18.840 you but i'm gonna try to reel in some other people in the conversation the last thing before you talk

01:59:24.120 tell us about your cult is you say modern dating is a scam men are demons feminine feminine energy runs

01:59:30.520 the world you've transcended dating and you're in a cult focused on world liberation domination

01:59:36.120 actually you know what we're gonna save the cult thing but you said modern let's at least address

01:59:41.400 the modern dating is a scam men are demons feminine energy runs the world why don't you tell us about

01:59:48.760 the the demon thing oh man let me just like think about the things i've seen i've just like seen so

01:59:55.480 much grimy behavior like complete slime balls where like there's a lot of slime balls out there okay you

02:00:01.080 know yeah exactly like like the whole ghosting thing it's like i don't know that just i don't

02:00:07.720 understand how they don't have that drive to like want to like socially connect like they literally are

02:00:14.360 just okay with like the so the physical wait are you saying like after you have sex with a guy he just

02:00:19.640 yeah they just dip out every time the hit and quit hit it and quit why do you keep allowing them to do that

02:00:25.480 i mean i don't know it's like hard to even say because i've been on this like grind for like so

02:00:30.040 long it's like like i'm like trying to uproot like old like memories and stuff you know but do you think

02:00:35.480 the way that you open yourself up to men generally like is if a hookup do you think that that's gonna

02:00:41.720 attract men to have something stable with you no i don't i don't i don't i'm are you used to

02:00:49.160 there's just like a lack of understanding it's like if they show you love then you recept like you

02:00:53.640 receive that love and you hope that but i feel like also a lot of men like look for that self

02:00:58.120 respect one sec please you know what causes a misdiagnosis of mental disorder drug use

02:01:06.520 these e-girls are okay truth bomb wait can i say something really quick sure go ahead okay because

02:01:12.040 it's only been bothering me this whole time i never want to glamorize using drugs or anything like

02:01:16.200 that because um if you actually do research on drugs i mean i haven't done a lot but with like

02:01:21.400 shrooms and like stuff like that you're supposed to wait like six months to a year

02:01:25.160 and between doing like each dose so if you're doing them all the time you're overstimulating

02:01:29.160 that dopamine in your brain and then that's why you become fried yeah but i mean like also okay i

02:01:36.200 don't i don't come down and do a psychedelic salad that's just like that's really intense but doing

02:01:40.440 drugs period if you're doing them drugs cool totally unrelated if you're doing them once a week or even

02:01:45.480 once every two weeks or even once a month or even like once every four months like it's welcome to the

02:01:49.800 whatever dare it's you're supposed to wait like um i wait like a year in between doing them it

02:01:55.560 depends on the person i don't know like if you but it's not good here here's what we're gonna do uh

02:02:03.000 jake has finally arrived um so we're gonna have to do a little switching hang tie for just a sec jake

02:02:08.280 so what we're gonna do um i think the easiest thing could could we have i think we're gonna swap one of

02:02:14.680 you could are you down to just get in that pull-out chair over there me no you can you get in that

02:02:23.000 pull-up chair over there i'm gonna have you two scoot down and then jake is gonna take this seat

02:02:27.800 uh we're doing a little switch up guys doing a little switcheroo jake has arrived he's he's uh

02:02:35.960 what's it called he he made it through the treacherous rainstorms and

02:02:40.840 the flooding the flooding was it flooded actually i'm sorry are you wearing socks

02:02:49.800 good evening everybody i'm jake nice to meet you how you all doing jake we're gonna be leg to

02:02:54.120 leg here it's it's a big it's a big panel today dreams come true big big panel right here is that

02:02:59.640 okay can i hold it in my lap can i hold it in my lap yeah yeah yeah that's totally perfect

02:03:05.080 less dog i think okay guys we have jake here jake why don't you introduce yourself name age

02:03:10.920 occupation so jake rattlesnake tv youtuber and 28 years old all right welcome welcome uh where do you

02:03:18.840 live i don't live anywhere wherever i lay my hats my own at the moment okay in mexico for the minute

02:03:25.240 santa barbara for three nights and then we'll see sweet welcome welcome so were you you were listening to

02:03:30.920 the stream while you were driving correct i was i was i was taking mental notes so raise your hand if

02:03:37.400 you are a um demisexual yeah i didn't even know what that word was until today i don't even know what

02:03:43.880 is that can someone explain it to me what is that when you will like only have sex with someone when

02:03:47.960 you have like an emotional mental bond with them it's when you're normal like a genuine connection

02:03:52.520 don't expect you to be well you just like don't hook up with people basically yeah is it a preference

02:03:57.080 like like that's your main preference like you're not attracted to people's skin like people's looks

02:04:02.440 and stuff yeah no okay raise your hand if you're a fem cell man repellent isn't it these two is it or

02:04:10.440 no you're not fem cell you're just celibate okay okay there's no such thing as no such thing as

02:04:15.960 fem cell yeah um what else was my nose someone's a dog you're a dog i am and who was saying that they

02:04:24.360 won a christian monarchy give me some sugar that is based all right all right sweet all right so

02:04:33.000 i have some more pre-show notes here we're gonna switch it up we're gonna go to uh ivory here ivory

02:04:38.440 you're an exotic dancer and you do only fans yes i do you it is what when i asked the political

02:04:44.200 question did you say liberal no oh and your pre-show notes you said i used to care i used to be liberal

02:04:50.280 but then obviously everything that's going on that everybody knows about biden trump like i'm

02:04:53.640 leaning towards trump don't hate me don't hate me don't hate me don't hate me but like for real

02:04:57.960 for real for real but now i'm like in between i guess now you're leaning towards trump

02:05:06.600 tell me um the fact that life wasn't so shitty for me sorry was i supposed to say that no that's

02:05:12.920 a good word that's fine that's fine it really wasn't here you said it's really sad i should have

02:05:16.920 never gone through what i went through in relationships with men they should have never

02:05:19.720 been that dishonest disloyal disrespectful manipulative like it's crazy why do all that's

02:05:26.440 that's so extra just break up why do all that that why do all that that's so extra just break up

02:05:34.120 yeah exactly like if you're gonna be so extra and like hurt me in the end just don't even talk to me

02:05:38.600 in the first place i hate that like it's pointless i'm really looking for somebody to be with and like

02:05:43.640 grow my life with get money together get jobs do this move have to like i'm really on that so

02:05:49.800 don't waste my time but like like she had said one of them had said earlier like when you're looking

02:05:55.080 you're not gonna get what you're actually no i wasn't looking i wasn't even looking and i have

02:05:58.840 my boyfriend now now you have kind of a shared thing with her you said your current boyfriend put

02:06:05.160 you in the er and you had to wear what for a week i had to wear diapers for a week and why is that

02:06:12.600 so i do only fans of my boyfriend and i were just practicing some things just to see what we could

02:06:17.800 do for some content and um he's huge and i prefer that um you prefer i prefer it large penises you

02:06:32.120 prefer blm i i hey i you know what people are entitled to their preferences i like big labia

02:06:37.640 you like big dick it's all fair it's literally like the hugest that i've ever seen in my life

02:06:41.640 it's is it a bbc but it's a tribe he's on some no he's white y'all he's white guy he's a what

02:06:46.760 white guys represent white tall guy is he is he with you i kind of want to like dab him off like my

02:06:52.520 caucasian what's up he'll be here later if you want to meet him my caucasian i gotta know

02:06:58.680 no i really appreciate him because he funded this whole entire trip for me

02:07:03.000 like he brought me here and made this happen that's beautiful yeah but um anyways so i prefer

02:07:09.720 large you know and so i was telling him are you a size queen do you consider yourself a size queen

02:07:14.600 a science queen size queen a size oh size queen it's like a girl who yeah but like do you consider

02:07:21.960 yourself size you've never has anybody here heard the term size i have there's even it's

02:07:29.000 a woman who strongly prefers or can only date men no no big dicks no what about if it's a little

02:07:36.200 what about if it's a little mr chow might have some answers unfortunately that's just what i would

02:07:40.840 have to be stuck with really yeah i'm if if love is love love is love and so but you in your pre-show

02:07:47.320 notes you said you know you guys were going at it okay yeah anyways okay let me continue i'm so

02:07:51.640 sorry go ahead but um anyway so we're just practicing and i love heart or obviously i love it when it's

02:07:57.320 hard but um anyway so i was telling him to do the most like all the extra stuff and i didn't know he

02:08:03.000 accidentally gave me a perineal tear until the next day a perineal tear is like a tear from like the

02:08:08.520 entrance and then like it it's just like that skin like this like it's not the actual you guys call that

02:08:13.560 a gooch like when you get like it just kind of like split because like because okay i'm kind of

02:08:20.440 like i'm just too small and he's too big basically but um yeah so i couldn't stop peeing my pants

02:08:27.560 for like a week i had to be in diapers nice um and then i had to use like lidocaine jelly every

02:08:34.680 single day and like put lidocaine jelly on it every single day because it really really hurt i

02:08:38.600 couldn't even wipe i had to dab good times and you told you you eat despite the pain you were

02:08:45.160 telling him to like go i didn't even feel it i did not feel it happened until the next there's a joke

02:08:50.520 from andrew schulz do you know andrew schulz he's got a joke when you know like have you girls ever

02:08:55.320 told a guy to go to go deeper like deeper yes and here's the thing ladies there's no more dick like

02:09:06.280 there's no more dick to go like it just stops you we can't just like bring out more dick

02:09:11.400 to go credit to andrew schulz i mean roll it out yeah roll out roll out an extra bit unless you got

02:09:16.520 that pelvis tilt like that's clicking and everything it's just like about to finish

02:09:22.920 yeah it's like deeper that's all i got sorry when you switch positions yeah that's when you lift up

02:09:28.600 their legs then it hits a deeper angle word okay good talk um okay you said uh let's see

02:09:35.240 there was this one girl you will not name names out of respect in college that i became besties

02:09:40.920 with a couple months after being friends with her we found out we both did the basketball team at

02:09:45.960 school so we had a threesome with one of them because we were fucking them anyways was this in

02:09:50.920 high school or in college in college yeah is it d1 okay let me just clarify i was not messing with

02:09:57.320 the whole basketball team i was just being dramatic i literally messed with like two of them on the

02:10:00.840 basketball team over the course of going to school basketball team she did the whole basketball team

02:10:06.520 oh you did half i did have she did the whole okay so but this was a year ago how many people are on

02:10:12.760 the basketball do you think from what about the best listen okay first of all i did two nick she did

02:10:18.680 the whole and together basically that's all of it do you think you know what i mean do you think

02:10:23.480 i don't buy it how men might be taking advantage of you sometimes oh yeah no no that was the biggest life

02:10:29.320 lesson for me i don't do shit like that no more i don't like it but i was just going through like

02:10:33.320 a college like oh yolo phase and thinking that it would be fun and stuff yeah um no i didn't i'm

02:10:39.960 done with that kind of basketball team good so i'm trying not to say but no you can that's fine i can

02:10:46.200 say that shit yeah that's okay period that's cool uh let's yeah oh i was just gonna tell a story but um

02:10:54.760 about the basketball team i mean i guess any other sporting teams you've had no done the entire

02:11:00.440 roster okay i did used to go to the university of portland and there was a couple guys on that

02:11:05.000 basketball team and it's a d1 athlete team this was three years ago y'all chill three three years

02:11:10.760 ago no no any soccer teams uh uh no okay let me finish but these basketball players were like

02:11:18.920 specifically from like saudi arabia and like egypt i think you and aaron kind of have similar

02:11:25.000 parallels when it comes to like not oh sorry similar parallels when it comes to not being able to quite

02:11:30.360 see who's being dishonest and who's not being dishonest no i totally understand that but i'm

02:11:33.720 saying that this is she wanted these are experiences from years ago and i've definitely learned a lot from

02:11:39.000 them and i don't do anything close to that kind of i definitely can tell that you're starting to notice

02:11:43.480 patterns but i also think that you're developing like um a defense mechanism that's a little more on the

02:11:47.640 extroverted side like what do you mean exactly can you please clarify on that the way she kind of

02:11:51.240 develops a defense mechanism is by kind of like staring out okay we're talking about me though

02:11:55.800 i know with you i think it's more so just kind of like you're ready for someone to attack you or to

02:11:59.320 shame you or you're ready for someone no honestly that is honestly trauma from my dad no yeah only

02:12:05.640 because like okay so let me clarify y'all let me clarify um my dad doesn't talk to me anymore he

02:12:12.120 does not want anything to do with me because of like i'm a dancer and do only fans which is totally

02:12:15.800 understandable i get that um but i've just recently started to have nightmares like i've had nightmares

02:12:21.320 this past week my dad being the main character okay uh nick nick nick hold on what just what

02:12:32.600 no i know just i'm not trying to the the angle that we were trying to get back into the chair

02:12:37.880 so the only like i really don't feel that way by anybody else except that one experience that i've had

02:12:44.120 with my dad and only because i value his um opinions way more than these little boys that's

02:12:50.200 valid and i think what do you think might be stalling you from like meeting your dad's expectations

02:12:56.840 to put it as delicately as possible um like it's i'm on my own do you think you could move back in

02:13:03.640 with your parents or your dad absolutely not like i'm completely on my own like my family does not want

02:13:08.920 anything to do with me so i have to figure out what i need to do for myself in order to survive and i

02:13:13.480 can't be depressed and sad every day because it's already been a year yeah and i literally just

02:13:16.760 started developing nightmares from it this past week like i need to move on it's true you said

02:13:23.480 your ex still had the 12 000 phone oh my god not 12 000 but 1200 so i have this i have this bummy ex

02:13:30.600 okay um who still lives at his mommy's house works at a gas station likes to brag about working at a gas

02:13:35.640 station okay sure but i brought him i bought him a brand new phone last year because he was using like

02:13:40.040 an iphone 8 and like my love language is gift gift giving so i got him the new iphone 14 pro max when

02:13:46.360 it had just come out um yeah anyways we're broken up is that oh that's that was last year but like

02:13:53.560 we broke up like a couple months after i got him that phone and i still want that back so if you're

02:13:57.000 watching this i he's still he still requests 40 for me on venmo like how bummy can you get

02:14:02.200 it okay all right cool uh there's another thing you wrote here but we'll come back to that a little

02:14:09.400 later on the show who's les this is less oh less okay you said you had oh god okay here we go you

02:14:17.160 said you had a guy ask to send you a what kind of video for how much he wanted me to send him a video

02:14:25.720 of me you know like fisting myself for twelve hundred twelve thousand dollars you guys it went

02:14:33.400 from the price he started out price he started at was six thousand and every time that i said no or

02:14:38.840 like i can't i don't feel comfortable like all this the price would just go up go up go up eventually

02:14:44.280 he actually like a couple weeks back ended up sending me a video of another girl and was like look

02:14:48.840 look how easy it is and sent me a video of another girl doing it but yeah so you didn't do it

02:14:55.960 you know for twelve thousand dollars i should have you didn't but i know you should not have

02:15:00.200 you should not have been manipulated into doing something you were uncomfortable with because

02:15:03.400 somebody is holding a dollar amount over your head that's insane i want twelve thousand dollars

02:15:09.160 listen it costs a refund average 13 refunds they're not going to send you that money no

02:15:14.600 matter how much they promise it um he he did send me a sum of money and did he refund it what was

02:15:20.440 it what do you mean like did he get it bounced back no i kept it how much 12 000 is a lot no

02:15:26.520 she didn't do it i didn't do it i did not get 12 000 i got a sum of money for other other things

02:15:31.400 other stuff i'm just saying like bear in mind they might do that thank you for the 20 so what was

02:15:38.600 stopping you from doing that compared to the other stuff um that i just don't sell my lower extremities

02:15:45.640 like that in general like i i am on only fans but i just don't put myself out there like that there's

02:15:50.200 no there's no pussy pics is what you're saying no yeah no do you do new nudity or no um yeah i i mean

02:15:56.920 i post i post stuff like that's very conservative if you wanted to take it to the private chat conservative

02:16:02.360 stuff on only fans like not the word for it as much okay relatively as much as you can as much as

02:16:09.080 you can but like if they want to take it to the private dm but it's just not something i'm posting

02:16:14.520 for everyone to be able to buy and see okay and the fact that he had sent me a video of another girl

02:16:19.400 doing it already told me you're gonna take my video and use it for another female and i do not feel

02:16:24.360 comfortable with that i mean that's yeah okay um just typical only fans things good good times um

02:16:32.200 you said the talks you wanted to talk about toxic abusive relationships which we did sort of talk

02:16:36.120 about a little bit you said ladies know your worth the toxic shit isn't cute it's actually very

02:16:40.920 degrading and you know you deserve better than that yeah um but i've i've seen these videos of uh on

02:16:50.200 tick tock where women will like admit to being attracted to toxic men and talk toxic behaviors

02:16:55.720 toxic no definitely or did you fall into that no i don't think i'm i don't really say i'm attracted to

02:17:03.000 the toxicity when i fell into that toxic relationship i was not at all like expecting it to end up the way

02:17:09.320 it was and now like if i start seeing any other toxic relationship or something with any other man it's

02:17:15.400 immediately like red flag no i'm not doing it because genuinely the toxic it takes a toll on you

02:17:20.920 as a person and it really isn't cute it it's it's degrading marks of a toxic relationship what do you

02:17:26.520 mean i'm sorry what are the what are the signs that you see of a toxic man like a man like who would like

02:17:32.760 yell at you raise his voice that you um say out of just out of pocket things like call you names

02:17:37.720 like i find it like even when he's mad someone who cannot control themselves when they are mad at you

02:17:42.280 even though they're mad like if you're speaking to me disrespectfully while you're mad to me it is

02:17:47.160 like that's how you're viewing me like that's what you think of me like is this your current

02:17:51.640 complicated situationship no oh he treats you well very well yeah okay too well interesting it's

02:17:58.920 unfamiliar yeah how long did you stay with the guy who was mistreating you five years okay um

02:18:06.520 yeah do you think the excitement was what sort of kept you running back no i genuinely think it was

02:18:12.280 like a trauma bond like i got with him so young he was pretty much all i had known um i guess that

02:18:17.800 kind of also ties into some daddy issues i might have so you think it was the excitement that that

02:18:25.000 got your emotional juices flowing i don't know it was a lot of push and pull so i i don't know if it

02:18:30.040 was excitement or if it was just oh i'm like bonded like trauma bonded to him or when you have this new

02:18:35.800 guy who you said treats you very well do you feel like there's something missing like some sort of

02:18:39.480 exasperation that's missing on your part no it's no not not boring at all i mean i get i get bored

02:18:49.560 sometimes and i'll like pick like a small like little fight like just bicker with me for a second

02:18:54.200 like just bicker with me for a second like and then let me prove that like i'm right like let me prove my

02:18:59.720 point but once that's over i'm like okay like i'm done that's cool so it sounds like he knows how to

02:19:04.520 handle it he does yeah that's cool that's good very patient okay i'm literally sweating is anybody

02:19:10.840 else here a little toasty yeah yeah nearly unbearable nick could you just crack the door

02:19:15.960 open a little bit so we get some uh air gun uh is it okay uh yeah that's fine so i wanted to bring

02:19:23.400 it to meow dylan meow meow meow you said uh you had a story about how in college like this guy asked

02:19:33.400 you out and he's very gentlemanly would you like to tell us about that i'd love to uh i there was

02:19:39.240 this moment in college where i was asked out by um this guy in theater and um i wasn't attracted to him

02:19:46.040 necessarily not his fault but he had the balls to ask me out and he actually asked me on a date

02:19:50.360 that's something that is very rare i think at least in my experience and i think like in general

02:19:55.080 it feels like nobody asks on dates people want to date you they say do you want to be my girlfriend

02:19:59.320 do you want to be my boyfriend not may i court you and take you on a date and i thought that was really

02:20:03.320 lovely so he picks me up he takes me uh to the venue and as soon as we get there genuinely not with

02:20:11.080 any kind of anxiety very just up frontly he goes are you interested in anybody right now and i said well

02:20:16.520 at the time yes i was and he said hey i don't want to get in the way of that why don't we just

02:20:21.560 spend time here have some fun and then no nothing is like attached or anything and it was such a

02:20:27.160 refreshing experience because it made me realize men aren't stupid men are not dumb men are not even

02:20:32.600 to be expected to be operating at a lower level than i find them capable to be or that i should expect

02:20:37.560 them to be because this was an experience that i had whenever i was in college and so it was incredibly

02:20:43.560 refreshing to feel as though i was seen not as a a woman at least in that moment but as a genuine

02:20:48.760 equal as in a partnership somebody wanted a partnership with me and then i rejected it and

02:20:53.800 they still paid for dinner and since i have grown older it is just more and more that i find that

02:20:59.240 rejection equals anger equals like unsafety for me and it makes it so that i'm not comfortable even

02:21:06.360 putting myself in any kind of uh situation like that in the future you know so you're saying that you

02:21:11.800 would like a gentlemanly man somebody who courts you takes you on a date all these sorts of things

02:21:15.800 absolutely i'm i'm a little bit in two minds here because i can hear what you're saying but then i

02:21:19.800 can see that you're dressed as a cat i'm a dog so dog yourself a dog wolf yes nick could you open

02:21:25.880 that door more perhaps hindering that a little bit the fact that you so i don't deserve respect because

02:21:30.840 i'm dressing like an animal well i don't deserve to be treated like a person no no no do you think that

02:21:36.760 that might be a deterrent for a man who is more traditional if you're dressing like a dog uh no

02:21:42.440 because i'm not out seeking anything traditional i was simply reflecting on a college experience so

02:21:47.320 you're not seeking that sort of person uh i i appreciate that kind of person i'm not seeking

02:21:51.640 anything specifically i don't seek people i don't okay so when you look at a relationship are you looking

02:21:56.840 at like a pet owner type relationship or like two dogs you know in the relationship or what's what's your

02:22:03.640 ideal uh a partner who loves and respects me and sees me as an equal that i am but you see

02:22:09.240 yourself as an actual dog right you said you like to go play fetch i wolf yes so how does that tie

02:22:15.080 into your relationship like what are you looking for if you're a dog um i'm looking for um somebody

02:22:21.800 to throw me a ball and then also say um oh hey uh i i appreciate you you know bringing in a financial

02:22:28.360 you know amount to the situation i appreciate you having your own thoughts and theories about the

02:22:32.760 world around you and not somebody who sees me as an animal i think that i think i think uh i think

02:22:37.800 the issue is is that men see uh have a difficult time seeing women in submissive positions without

02:22:42.760 overbearing power toward them and especially that can lead into like okay you see me and a man sees

02:22:47.960 me wearing a dog collar and he's like oh i want to i want to touch i want to tug on that are you

02:22:52.200 wearing a collar for me saying that the dog thing isn't a sexual fantasy it's not not in any way

02:22:57.080 it is a sexual fantasy it's i are you a therian no no no i think like do you identify as like

02:23:03.640 other kin why would i do that i mean it's so it's a little outward appearance like that's

02:23:09.800 a reasonable i think this is something that she enjoys doing the issue is that it's a valid man

02:23:14.040 who wants a more traditional outlook in life typically this is going to welcome men who have

02:23:18.200 that fetish as you already know and it's not necessarily like i hate it when men sexualize

02:23:22.840 everything but unfortunately like if they see a mentally unwell woman they're not going to think

02:23:26.360 traditional relationship they're going to think i'm going to be able to get quick sex and then

02:23:29.880 run away before she goes crazy that's their mindset so i think that although obviously you look really

02:23:34.840 cute and all of that jazz there is like as you were mentioning like a sort of cognitive dissonance

02:23:39.480 where it's like you're portraying something that doesn't elicit the type of men that you want yeah

02:23:44.040 i think there's also not looking i i'm not i am not actively looking i talked about how i'm

02:23:49.560 a voluntarily celibate uh and how that's something that i'm not interested in so i find the the friendships

02:23:55.640 that i that like pat cross my path um in a very similar way to what she was talking about where

02:24:01.080 you know whenever men find out that i'm not interested in sex they don't want to be friends

02:24:04.280 i understand why somebody would sexualize me and then upon hey i actually don't like you like that

02:24:09.240 they wouldn't want to be friends i'm just it's just annoying in the fact where it's like well

02:24:13.080 shoot i'm not even i'm not even like gonna open be open to that in general it's just unnecessary

02:24:18.120 is this a long-term thing for you yes the dog thing yes you see you you're taking this into

02:24:23.480 your relationships one day it it's been a part of my life my whole life and so do you think that

02:24:27.880 this should factor in when you're thinking about the kind of man that you want to be with like not

02:24:31.480 at all before you haven't thought about that you just want someone to fully accept you for for the

02:24:35.480 dog no i want somebody to hold me accountable for my actions and decisions that i make and if i'm

02:24:39.480 putting off an image that is um inappropriate then i trust that whenever my whenever my family first

02:24:46.040 saw me doing social media i've never engaged in only fans i've never engaged in cam work but

02:24:50.280 because of the fact that i was wearing animal ears there is a misconception because in the

02:24:54.840 porn industry you've never you've never done any only fans no okay well that changes a little bit

02:24:59.240 because it it could actually be a phase and it's not something that's an overt sexual it's interesting

02:25:03.400 that i like specify it exactly i i does not sexual kink whenever i specify it's been a part of my

02:25:07.960 life forever it is it is a it is a lifestyle that i live i am the kid that was at school playing wolves

02:25:13.880 on the park you know what i mean on the playground and it does not there'll come a time when that has

02:25:18.600 to subside for more adult duties i think even in private relationships there's women who basically

02:25:23.080 say i'm a fairy i'm a mermaid i'm this but in private relationships that's expressed only with

02:25:26.920 a partner i think in your case you're kind of publicizing that yeah i don't think it's necessarily

02:25:30.680 out of the ordinary to be like oh i'm this imaginary creature i'm this animal exactly i i'm with a

02:25:35.000 partner yeah there's no there's no cognitive dissonance for me in who i am or my regard and my role

02:25:40.040 with people you know it's it's not like so is it a you think you're like a genetically like your

02:25:45.320 biology is canine or is it the fact that you you just take that upon yourself it's it's it's it's

02:25:52.280 definitely a personality thing i'm very dog ish and i've always been that way i've always like

02:25:57.160 identified what breed of what breed do you think i am brian look at look at my ears look at my spots

02:26:03.640 what do you think a cheetah dalmatian i'm not girl did you just say cheetah it's a dalmatian

02:26:12.040 i'm a purple dalmatian yes a lavender dalmatian okay yes wait i genuinely want to know like what

02:26:17.480 traits of yours do you have that made you realize that you're a dog um wagon tail like i think there's

02:26:25.480 you mean i think there might be a misconception that there was a being called a good girl closer to

02:26:29.560 the mics please yeah um i i never realized that i was a dog it is simply a lifestyle choice whenever

02:26:36.360 you are young you engage in play we play pretend we play house there's somebody who's the mom oh i

02:26:41.800 want to be the dad i want to be the daughter i wanted to be the dog from the time i was in preschool

02:26:46.200 and it was a very exciting thing i get what she's saying yeah okay so like when you choose like a

02:26:51.160 character on like um i don't know world of warcraft yeah so basically this is her character for life

02:26:57.240 yeah she like it's perma like you can't re-roll like there's no re-rolling she's yeah you can't

02:27:02.760 like she can't even change like the type of the breed of dog like she can't actually i want to be

02:27:07.560 you would be impressed with my ear collection oh you you do sometimes change the switch up my breed

02:27:11.880 okay wait i go both ways so i can like going back going back can we please see you wag that tail

02:27:18.680 wait hold on you have a tail yeah yes can she please wag it wait hold on i do have a question because

02:27:24.600 people who are like do that for kinks like yeah you know like i'm aware of that and it's not it's

02:27:31.000 gross it's yeah but you know it's not inside of you like the do you want it to be what wait no i'm

02:27:37.880 asking you oh no like these yeah yeah i get what you're saying yeah people they'll like wear tails

02:27:45.640 and it's actually but when ability donated 200 let me get this straight or theory and is silly

02:27:52.520 but me and i'm a dog is not you want to be treated as human while identifying as animal do you really

02:27:59.080 not see why you would deter a healthy partner see like i actually like yeah do you want to respond to

02:28:06.680 this yeah i i'm i suppose i'm a little confused in this like quest for a healthy partner i am very

02:28:12.920 satisfied with the friendships and platonic partnerships like in my life of people who support

02:28:18.440 you know me and my endeavors and i support them i'm not seeking anything so i think it's very strange

02:28:23.240 that i should be altering parts of myself that i am completely comfortable with that i don't have

02:28:27.560 any kind of moral like high ground or like confusion with an aesthetic choice for a healthy partner

02:28:34.040 because there is an assumption that okay i'm crazy i'm uh out of uh out of touch or you know

02:28:40.920 there's misconceptions a huge misconception the way that i dress people assume that i do sex work

02:28:44.840 that's a huge misconception but is that going to stop me from wearing pastel colors no just because

02:28:49.880 the e-girl brand normalized wearing pastel colors and cat ears on the internet suddenly i'm not allowed

02:28:54.360 to express myself in the way that i choose it's it's very without there being a sexual expectation

02:28:59.560 is very well i mean it's it's not clear to me i mean if you've actually even said that you're

02:29:04.840 necessarily even looking for a traditional guy i'm assuming yeah so i mean i don't know if that's a

02:29:11.080 it's a fair statement for them to make um i don't i don't even think that you're arguing that i deserve

02:29:17.320 x sort of treatment but i think the point that they're trying to make is could your outward

02:29:23.080 presentation when it comes to your appearance and your aesthetic could that perhaps you know some

02:29:29.160 people might take quarrel with that and not want to date you i assume the answer oh yeah i think you

02:29:34.360 don't you don't care and the trade-off your trade-off is well i like to dress this way and the men who

02:29:40.120 will like me will like me and that's that but i didn't want to get back to the story that you said

02:29:45.320 about this guy who you while you were kind of already i was interested in somebody else were you

02:29:50.360 dating him or just interested i was just interested so he it wasn't reciprocal from the other guy

02:29:54.920 no uh from the other guy at the time in college it it was but it was a long distance thing so it was

02:30:00.920 just you know but so you you were kind of not i was emotionally invested in you were not emotionally

02:30:05.240 available for somebody else and so he asked me up front and i was up front with him but okay and

02:30:09.880 but so you still went on the date and you went on the date with him he oh yeah because he asked when

02:30:15.560 we got to the venue he asked about that he was like are you emotionally like like looking for anybody

02:30:20.040 else in that regard right and you and you were he was cool with it he's like hey we can still just

02:30:24.680 have a nice little dinner and just keep things uh friendly uh were you having sex with the other guy

02:30:33.320 absolutely not oh okay interesting uh was the other guy as gentlemanly and kind and gracious as the guy

02:30:40.280 who you kind of friend zoned yes okay okay all right it was it was a genuine just mismatch and i i

02:30:47.560 just did not see you like that in the same way you saw me okay gotcha i i thought kind of the way

02:30:53.720 you initially told us the story in the dms i thought perhaps that uh you know this guy did all

02:30:59.160 the right things he's being a gentleman but he ultimately ended at the end of the day got friend

02:31:03.080 zoned and got curved he did that is that is the story he did all the right things he asked me on a

02:31:07.480 date he didn't know anything about me we had one class together in college he doesn't know if i'm

02:31:11.400 dating anybody he doesn't know anything about me besides my name and what i look like so when i say oh you

02:31:15.240 want to take me on a date okay i'm not dating anybody i'm not seeing anybody simply because

02:31:19.160 i'm emotionally investing in somebody else who is a thousand million miles away doesn't mean that i'm

02:31:24.280 going to close myself off to experiences local to me sure and i think that's fire some more pre-show

02:31:29.160 notes from you you said looks are only important on first impressions um can you expand on that a

02:31:36.200 little bit what do you mean by by that um i think maintaining a level of aestheticism in your

02:31:42.360 relationship is very valid especially for making your partner feel valuable if you wake up every

02:31:46.680 day and you know you brush your hair and put on a clean shirt your partner's gonna be oh oh i want to

02:31:51.400 put on a clean shirt too i want to i want to brush my hair too and so um i i think that as far as first

02:31:57.480 looks go um when you meet somebody for the first time you're enchanted with their with their like look

02:32:02.360 their aesthetic their build and that is what draws you in but after that it's like a matter of um

02:32:09.320 getting to know that person it's a matter of oh the longer i look at you uh you know you have you

02:32:13.640 have this smile line right here and you have this freckle right here so the more in love you can

02:32:18.120 become with somebody's looks the longer you are interested in them or court them or whatever is

02:32:22.200 very fair but as far as general physical appearance i think it's a bizarre notion to think that oh i have

02:32:27.640 to maintain a certain level for a partner well this is a perfect segue we have stifler here ask everyone

02:32:33.000 to rate their looks on the scale of one to ten so rate your own looks eleven own looks well we'll

02:32:39.880 start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead ten maybe like a seven eight okay closer to

02:32:48.440 mike go ahead this is hard because like i mean i have i have like such different moods and different

02:32:56.280 personalities that like if i'm feeling manic i think i'm like a million but if i'm like depressed i think

02:33:02.440 i'm like a negative one what about right now so yeah how you feeling right right now right now arson

02:33:08.680 princess arson princess all right like i've been on a on the sick one for like two weeks so right now

02:33:16.040 we in our you know i'm feeling you've been on well you've been sick no like you know i'm almost on a

02:33:21.640 sick one what the hell is that sick one she's dope in australia oh yeah she's sick sick means like

02:33:27.480 really cool in australia so like a sick cunt yeah yeah american's contact wait so one to ten okay

02:33:40.200 i gotta be like a little bit humble okay like it nah it's like no no yeah yeah nevermind you got it

02:33:45.960 10 you can do it we can do it you got it 10 wait 10 we get 10 we just said gotta be a little humble

02:33:53.480 okay gotta be let's see that switch over my mind like okay whatever yeah yeah she's 10 she's

02:33:58.680 an hour she's a talent 11 i'm very attractive what about you nine okay i'd say like a seven or an

02:34:08.120 eight oh okay um my boyfriend would be upset with me if i didn't say 10 he your boyfriend would be

02:34:14.120 upset with you if you didn't say you're a 10 but what do you think you are what do i think let's

02:34:19.000 say your boyfriend dumped you right now and you're free to do whatever you wish don't say that

02:34:25.800 now if your boyfriend never heard this what would you say if you're in a quiet dark room by yourself

02:34:30.040 seven seven okay all right what about what about you a nine okay and up the back there

02:34:35.960 yeah yeah just creep into a microphone i'd say probably a seven seven

02:34:43.320 i like really up my hair cutting it it looks good don't say that it looks good otherwise

02:34:49.800 i i would have said eight like a month ago but now i'll go with like a 6.9

02:34:53.480 i look way better in person than on camera i'll be honest um i didn't see you back there i'm a four

02:35:01.240 on a good day four on a good day okay all right uh 3.14 oh come on

02:35:09.080 pie yeah she got the attractiveness of pie though

02:35:13.400 pie is so attractive i give myself a safe seven but i feel like i'm i'm being a bit too

02:35:17.320 cocky after hearing you guys a 3.14 what's yours brian five five

02:35:23.480 i give myself a five yeah i swear you were a seven

02:35:29.800 i swear you were a seven when i first came in wait kayla said yeah

02:35:33.880 yes okay all right mid white guy there you go cool seven like last july not so like i used to

02:35:41.880 say six i used to say six 6.9 on a good day but i gained weight i got a dad bar right now so i can't

02:35:48.920 claim six no more yeah that's cool yeah it's cool dad bods ain't it no i'd rather be physically fit i'm

02:36:08.040 chilling on that you should be but yeah women have different scales you're you're like a 12. oh

02:36:13.640 thanks all right y'all are generous all right 3.14 it should have been 3.84 serious um wait so

02:36:24.600 wait are you the only 10 is she the only 11. she's 11. oh she's an 11. um okay well uh

02:36:32.680 i'm not gonna rate you but you're not an 11. okay no brian can you please tell me at least

02:36:42.520 yeah why don't you just rate us just rate us just go around the table i i like i like no first of all

02:36:49.320 i like how he called me out out of everybody else because all of you voted lower than you actually

02:36:54.520 physically are no they didn't they were just being truthful these two were voted lower than they are but

02:36:59.240 everyone else was rather truthful except the other 10s was there any other 10s she was oh she was

02:37:05.000 you were in two minds though i didn't believe you anyway i believe you and you said anybody if it's

02:37:09.080 not going to hurt anybody's feelings can we like it's five i need to know what they're reading yeah

02:37:14.360 so when when you say 11 do you think that there's any room for improvement do you think that you have

02:37:19.320 any room for improvement i think physically i think aging is one of the most beautiful things that we

02:37:23.400 do as people like existing and i'm 27 right i am and so i even even i don't

02:37:29.000 thank you even a matter of how different i looked three years ago versus now i i love aging and i'm

02:37:34.840 excited for the process of aging and i find you're excited to age i am we're all marching steadily

02:37:40.280 towards the grave so three years ago you were better than you are now or worse um i was the same

02:37:46.520 but different i i find i find it like dissonant because i i don't change any like uh personal

02:37:52.200 habits of like grooming or otherwise whenever it comes to like how i you know do my hair or like how i

02:37:56.520 like cold myself but like definitely like okay i have nicer fitted clothes now that i actually make

02:38:02.680 more money than when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you

02:38:07.240 thinking about it in like the broader society of like what other people would probably in general

02:38:11.240 consider you as well so you think that you are like like beautiful like you're like incredibly the

02:38:17.160 standard basically thank you i think that this is why girls girls aren't very good friends to each other

02:38:21.960 sometimes because if if i if i if i had a friend telling me that he's a 10 and he's not i just

02:38:28.520 tell the guy you know but not a 10 you're a bit delusional i feel like i'm on your eyes hold on

02:38:34.760 a second when you say you're at an 11 as you said that is the top top percentile okay like that is

02:38:40.840 victoria's secret supermodel why is the secret the standard of beauty because because they're like

02:38:46.680 they're considered some of the most beautiful women in the world they're pretty pretty fine

02:38:51.320 the victoria's secret models i'm i'm a little confused on like your your but that's i would

02:38:57.000 say rihanna rihanna like ponder replay her face would be like that being said that you're you're

02:39:02.440 you're dating yourself there you're talking about like aging it yeah because like no nobody like i

02:39:07.560 feel like in like this generation of like younger women nobody's thinking like oh rihanna's the beauty

02:39:11.720 standard they're thinking like cardi b even like are you calling me old uh i'm one year older than

02:39:16.200 you honey i'm telling you that it's showing i'm telling you that your preferences of

02:39:19.320 their nice preferences so you think that me me having a preference for rihanna ponder replay

02:39:24.200 is is showing my age it seemed as though i that's not a bad it's not a jeff no no you in this one

02:39:31.720 because she's just calling you hip she's calling you hip well it's you're kind of like you're kind

02:39:37.480 of deflecting you're kind of deflecting from the actual conversation at hand by questioning like his

02:39:42.920 his awareness of modern musicians ultimately we are talking about rating and you rated yourself an 11 you

02:39:48.440 rated yourself a 10 um again i'm not particularly can you guys stop interrupting please i'm not

02:39:53.320 particularly inclined to actually rate any of you but those of you who claim to be a 10 or 11 in your

02:39:58.520 case there's no 10 sitting at this table is that supposed to hurt my feelings i'm not no i'm no it's

02:40:05.320 it's like that's supposed to be a big mic drop moment no it's just it's purely just a statement of

02:40:09.960 facts i'm not doing it to get a rise out of you or to try to be true i'm confused because we i think we can

02:40:16.040 all agree that uh on the topic of you know how i believe that looks are only important on the first

02:40:20.680 impression i don't believe that any of us are you know walking around saying we need a six foot five

02:40:26.040 man who's 300 pound muscle but what i'm saying is because you're because i'm being compared to

02:40:31.960 victoria's secret models when in reality i don't have any barometer of what i i don't have any barometer

02:40:36.760 of how i view you don't get to dictate to the world how attractive you asked me honey you asked me

02:40:42.920 but the question the kind of the the sense of the question is is what general like how am i

02:40:48.120 generally perceived for example let me ask all the girls here a question if a guy who was obese

02:40:54.840 he was unkempt didn't groom himself smoked weed all day lived it lived at his parents house played video

02:41:00.520 games all day um just neck beard i'm trying to think of other other things five foot five um i mean

02:41:08.520 some of these are not really related to physical attractiveness but if he claimed he was a 10 would

02:41:13.160 you guys like co-sign that and just be like yeah he's a 10 that just makes no offense to me why why

02:41:17.960 would i sit there and be like hey what do you think you are and then somebody say well this is how

02:41:22.680 i view myself and you go well screw you you're actually not like it's just a very strong it depends

02:41:28.280 if you're having a round table conversation but okay so am i an overweight older man who has a neck beard

02:41:33.560 who smokes weed and is ungrooming himself no that's kind of a you make really kind of a silly point

02:41:38.520 you make really bad faith disingenuous arguments i'm saying yeah no but but you're saying am i

02:41:44.360 calling you that no but i'm trying to use an extreme to try to articulate a point we can all

02:41:49.400 agree that some people are more attractive than others correct yes oh yes okay have you girls never

02:41:54.920 rated men on their physical appearance like physical appearance means nothing to you i'm i'm very

02:42:00.600 i'm so i said i fit that physical looks this started because i made the assertion that i

02:42:05.960 believe physical looks are only important on the first go and now you're insinuating do do women

02:42:09.800 even like great men i'm confused on how we got here i think women don't tend to have as like

02:42:13.640 constructive of like a borderline i think i think women don't really have that structure of a scale as

02:42:19.800 men do i think that they tend to value like for example you like the bad boys you like a particular

02:42:24.520 type and then we all have our specific type and so based off of that is what we're going to consider a 10

02:42:28.680 but we don't yeah it's more based on the type whereas for men there's a there's a beauty

02:42:32.120 standard set for the world which is victoria's secret model which is artists and that makes

02:42:35.080 sense as to why the thing is as well i rated myself a seven i think biome is maybe a little

02:42:39.240 bit harsh with the five but men we have to kind of understand that because if i walk around saying

02:42:43.960 i'm a 10 and i'm flawless then my friends will look at me like you are a delusional idiot and this

02:42:49.720 is what girls don't have and then you sort of like argue to the gills about the fact no i am 11 because

02:42:54.360 of my i'm not telling it doesn't matter about your subjective opinion you're simply not a i i i've

02:42:59.160 i've never once been a girl's girl oh my god you're so pretty no no you're so pretty bestie like i

02:43:03.640 can't stand whenever that women have that kind of like like attitude i guess um like this is

02:43:08.520 genuinely not making any sense to me that's not making no sense to me no this is genuinely not

02:43:12.520 making any sense to me because he asked us what we would rate ourselves and then he said um because

02:43:18.200 well in his head there's no rihanna sitting at this table well let me finish i'm so sorry yeah so

02:43:23.480 then he's saying that there's no tens at this table all i'm saying is okay exactly in his

02:43:27.960 opinion there's no rihanna or there's no bella hadid so there's no 10 to him at this table precisely

02:43:32.680 so i'm perfectly fine with that to you so then there is a 10 at this table to you i'm just i'm

02:43:37.320 very confused by the like assertion of the premise that i need to agree and like i need to concede

02:43:42.520 okay fine i'm really not when you asked my honest opinion and i gave my honest opinion i think

02:43:46.200 physically so you're honest your honest opinion is you're ranking yourself in 11 you are on par with

02:43:52.120 the most beautiful women in the world there's no women there's no women that are more attractive

02:43:56.600 than you you're just i've never i honestly think i honestly think that's very beautiful i think it's

02:44:01.800 very beautiful for a woman to look at herself and call herself the most beautiful okay okay

02:44:06.120 i think that is totally and utterly unattractive if a woman looks at herself in the mirror and says

02:44:11.160 hold on a second hold on stop interrupting go ahead if somebody looks at themselves in the mirror and

02:44:15.320 says i'm the most beautiful woman in the world you think that that's attractive see that's where you're

02:44:19.560 wrong see that's where you're wrong you see this is why girls shouldn't be friends with each other

02:44:23.720 they need they need brothers and they need fathers i had an incredible father figure my father always

02:44:29.400 told me that yeah my father figure raised me to know my worth and so because i know my value and

02:44:34.440 i'm asserting my value at a table this is where you're wrong though this is where you're wrong though

02:44:38.360 because i'm not saying that you're looking yourself in the mirror and thinking that your eye shape is

02:44:42.520 perfect your nose shape is but that is what it means to be the most beautiful woman in the world

02:44:45.640 no no no being the most beautiful woman in the world of the inside and out being a woman we just

02:44:50.200 said on physical we just said on physical look we were i know but she's saying hey scoot your mic

02:44:55.000 to the edge of the table oh sorry she's saying she's the most beautiful woman in the world i mean

02:44:58.360 if you want to take a tape measure to my waist size to my lip size to the way that my nose is

02:45:02.120 my i don't have to because i can look at you and see that you're not a 10. if a man was to sit

02:45:07.000 here no no no les wants to go go ahead if a man was to sit here and tell us all he's a 10 knowing all of us

02:45:13.560 knowing damn well he's not a 10 you think us as females is not going to sit here no because you're

02:45:18.200 females no no what i'm saying you won't do it because you're not honest i will straight up tell

02:45:23.240 you guys 100 no you are not a 10. we're asking for the general population i would like i i genuinely

02:45:30.600 i agree with them because oh thank you yeah if a man let me sit here in our face and claim that he's a

02:45:37.320 whole 10 when everyone here knows he's not a 10 obviously like that's just that's just the general

02:45:44.600 population of what they're thinking like but you'll probably it's not just it's just not to

02:45:49.160 yourself the market the the dating marketplace determines your value right it's not i that's

02:45:55.720 you don't get to self-determine but do you think there's only okay i'm not talking about your your

02:46:00.520 value in terms of how i see myself no but i'm not it wasn't the question but if we're we're talking

02:46:05.080 about physical we're talking about the dating marketplace i'm not talking about your value as

02:46:09.000 a human i'm talking about your value on the in the dating marketplace okay and i think we can all

02:46:13.480 agree there are some potential partners that might be more optimal uh partner choices than others and so

02:46:20.680 we would evaluate that and perhaps rank order them oh here here look you have an option of two people

02:46:28.440 you find one more attractive it could be physical it could be personality it could be status it could be

02:46:33.160 all sorts of things you've just made like a a sum to some degree a judgment on that person maybe it's

02:46:40.120 a one and a zero it's a yes or a no that is a judgment in its own right and then if you have enough

02:46:45.640 people leaning more towards giving a yes to say person a versus person b then you can rank order them

02:46:53.000 and then if you have a hundred people then you start rank ordering them and that would be your value in

02:46:57.240 in the dating marketplace and we're talking specifically when it comes to just looks

02:47:01.880 what what is so what so what i'm what are you asking me now no he's just he's outlining to you

02:47:07.320 that the fact that this is like a this is something that we can actually quantify we can quantify

02:47:11.720 people let me ask you a question so let's say we lined up 10 000 men okay and those men were all

02:47:18.680 unbiased and they were all tasked with ranking you on a scale of one to ten okay and if the i don't

02:47:23.800 know if it would be the mean or the average but they came to the conclusion that you're a seven

02:47:28.040 ten thousand men okay that's the sample size would you be like well that seems pretty reasonable ten

02:47:34.040 thousand men have rated me i'm in i must be i'm likely to be a seven those are ten thousand different

02:47:40.680 like worldviews and experiences that's ten thousand different people who view different uh so that's

02:47:45.800 ten thousand people where one can say okay the victoria's secret beauty model is the standard and then

02:47:49.480 there's another person that says oh actually the person who's playing on euphoria or on hbo is

02:47:53.240 actually a beauty standard so it's both be pretty hard so it see it it seems very conf i guess the

02:47:59.560 the the the root of the this matter seems very confusing what she's trying to say do you do you

02:48:04.920 want me to admit that i'm unattractive in a way that i don't agree with i'm confused we're just simply

02:48:10.200 pointing out the delusion in your view on yourself that's it so when you when you take ten thousand

02:48:14.680 people let's let's let's say that there's like a perfectly even cross-section of the population people

02:48:20.200 from all different walks of life and they were all to come to the consensus that you were a seven

02:48:24.440 would you accept it are you okay like what why are you so trying to like no i'm sure i'm very i'm

02:48:31.480 very i think but why don't you actually answer his question and engage in good faith instead of like

02:48:36.600 trying to say are you okay who hurt you like actually just i didn't ask i'm confused because

02:48:40.440 i feel very targeted because two other women on this on this panel also said oh i see that myself

02:48:44.120 is tense i think it was just she said a boyfriend she walked it back and she was just she was she

02:48:49.160 i didn't really she's not really pushing i mean you're encouraged sports donated two hundred dollars

02:48:57.640 m8 it is rare to see so many mid unmarried single boring plain james central casting reject females

02:49:05.880 argue they are mega hot for the sake ladies less drugs more reality okay all right okay don't speak

02:49:14.120 for all of us for real okay yeah don't speak for all of us for real beauty is very subjective and no

02:49:21.160 it's not beauty is objective there's an objective there's okay there is okay can i say that there is

02:49:25.000 like there is an objective but that objective changes throughout the world too like in let's say you go to

02:49:32.040 africa they you're not gonna make this okay well no no no she's maybe africa women that are bigger

02:49:37.640 are typically seen as more attractive cool we're not in africa how about how about how about if i

02:49:43.160 carve out let me carve out the caveat we'll just talk about the united states let's just talk about

02:49:48.360 the united states we can even talk yeah but i don't give a fuck what some tribe like i don't care

02:49:54.280 like we can always we can always try to reach to some extreme like oh would like some tribe and

02:50:01.800 fucking uh it's not in fucking mozambique i do be attractive yeah yeah mozambique bitches

02:50:08.760 fucking think i'm a 10 dope bro i don't give a fuck i ain't ever going to mozambique

02:50:14.760 okay i'm on your side i'm on your side i know that there is an objective beauty but i'm saying

02:50:19.320 it can definitely change i do get what you're saying it's not concrete to western beauty standards

02:50:23.880 everywhere in the world so you're saying like in jamaica for example they like chubby white

02:50:27.080 girls yeah if a chubby white girl goes to jamaica she's not safe on the beach right i have no idea

02:50:31.960 what their beauty standards are but i know that there are different beauty standards around the

02:50:34.520 world but what i'm saying okay and then i wanted to explain to her look yes there is objective beauty

02:50:41.000 standards somebody please give me like you know as far as the west goes right the west you know

02:50:48.040 as far as the west goes yes there are objective beauty standards and what they're just trying to say

02:50:53.480 you know that's where i got thrown off was because he said you can't dictate to the rest of the world

02:50:57.720 right what you are that's why i got confused i was like here here's another thought experiment let's

02:51:03.400 say we lined up it could be 10 000 men 10 000 women and then there was 10 000 men and 10 000 women

02:51:12.760 all judging them and rating them and rank ordering them from like maybe it's it'd be easier to like

02:51:17.720 conceptualize this if we use a hundred let's say you you had a hundred people in front of you varying

02:51:22.440 differences when it comes to their physical appearance and then we had like 10 000 people

02:51:27.320 all rank ordering them from most attractive to least attractive now granted some people might put

02:51:33.720 this person more attractive than this but i would suspect and i'm hoping well i don't know if you guys

02:51:38.760 will agree on this do you think though that you know there's gonna be a cohort of people that tend to

02:51:45.160 be gravitate towards the top like i like 10 000 people like they're gonna like i'm understanding

02:51:51.320 they're gonna kind of fall within like a uh margin of error basically sure sure because because now

02:51:57.880 that we're talking about like statistically and like versus like oh what do you just casually rate

02:52:01.960 yourself here i've got another question so i well oh do you want to respond i was gonna say i was

02:52:06.760 gonna say if we're talking about the objective western beauty standards if you put a if you put a

02:52:11.000 picture of let's say sabrina carpenter paris hilton and paris hilton do you think she's gorgeous

02:52:17.720 back in her day are you crazy back in her day she was great she's incredible paris is amazing i

02:52:22.760 they're bella you said you are you said g did you say gg hadid for instance i think you said one of

02:52:28.120 the hadid girls i said uh rihanna ponder replay i said she said bella hadid uh but the you know if

02:52:35.720 we're talking objectively like western standards okay larger lips higher cheekbones slimmer jawline

02:52:41.000 smaller waist larger tits i i there are facets of my physical being that i align with that so it makes

02:52:47.240 sense for my thought pattern to look in the mirror and say oh yes this is what western beauty standards

02:52:52.280 are telling me is beautiful of course i okay so the thing is you've been talking for like five

02:52:58.120 minutes you started getting emotional everyone started getting emotional they're baiting you they

02:53:02.520 want you to just say yes sir just say yes sir i'm not baiting anyone whatever you say is the law

02:53:07.160 whatever you no no no no no listen listen i'm not i'm not baiting anyone because i said okay it's

02:53:12.920 simply it's simply yes hold on hold on a second okay hold on a second i'm not baiting anyone it's

02:53:19.720 just it's objective that beauty actually operates on somewhat of a bell curve most people are normal

02:53:25.160 is that your code like 70 no yes sir of course can i interject something so so it's about 70 80 percent of

02:53:30.600 people are probably going to fall between like the four and seven sort of mark and then it's going

02:53:34.440 to really thin out towards the end so when we're talking about nines and tens they like if you ever

02:53:39.320 see a 10 they're a head turner if you ever see a one it ruins your day yeah what so i don't think

02:53:45.320 about people like what yeah you haven't seen a one then yeah yeah yeah i don't agree

02:53:50.200 that's like um horrendous can i please like interject something yes please so i'm kind of

02:53:57.400 surprised that other people haven't like arrived at this already but it's so you guys are seeming to

02:54:02.040 have like a much more logical objective approach to a beauty standard and some of the other girls are

02:54:07.640 are holding themselves to a much more loose less rigid yes queen

02:54:13.400 and it's like yeah but it's just like don't hate the player hate the game

02:54:19.640 okay i definitely think there's limitations on beauty standards no i understand the difference

02:54:23.880 but that's why it's a debate because we have our differences between the female brain and the

02:54:27.560 male but it's not a debate if you ask my opinion and you say you're wrong you're wrong you're it's like

02:54:31.080 why i was waiting for the okay let's move on the way the conversation works is you say what you think

02:54:36.440 i say what i think i substantiate it with whatever like the metrics are that i use you substantiate

02:54:42.200 it with whatever the metrics are that you use and then we let everybody decide who's right but what

02:54:46.280 happened was i was substantiating and you were just saying oh what's wrong with you i feel like

02:54:50.440 no no girl say okay well can i hold on i just i just want to say just say okay because the reality is

02:54:57.240 i specified you asked about statistical comparison as far as the beauty standard so i specified okay are you

02:55:01.880 asking about the size of my lips my cheekbones like i i i did i did engage with you equally you

02:55:07.560 just didn't like my answer here's a question so going back to my previous example if 10 000 people

02:55:13.960 rated you a seven would that change your answer or would you say i reject the estimation of 10 000

02:55:22.680 people i reject that i'm still a 10. are you gonna i literally just asked her a question go ahead

02:55:31.560 i i i'm i'm confused what is confusing if like a hundred thousand people we did a poll we did a

02:55:38.040 poll ten a hundred thousand people and they rated you a seven would that give you any reason to change

02:55:45.400 your self-assessment could your self-assessment be wrong why why would i change my self-assessment based

02:55:51.240 on the opinions of other people that don't reality like it just odd sometimes reality truth

02:56:02.040 i don't think it matters i don't care what 10 000 people think we're not saying that she's not

02:56:07.320 going to be able to find a partner that's not what we're arguing it's just like i don't know it's like

02:56:13.320 rounding 10 000 people to a judge her it's just never gonna happen it's like that's why there's a

02:56:17.160 just yeah it's a hypothetical it depends what 10 000 people you use too like literally she can be

02:56:23.320 no i i if if it's like if it's like a uh what's the term if you're like doing a study and you have

02:56:30.520 like a a wide swath of of different cross-section of different people yeah i mean uh 10 000 is such

02:56:38.360 a significant sample size it would be that would be a significant that's a huge a lot of studies it's

02:56:43.800 like what a thousand people they'll be able to yeah get fairly accurate results off of i would

02:56:48.920 be grateful to get a seven out of ten thousand people yeah that's i'll be grateful for that i

02:56:53.480 think see but i think she's objectively a 10. like i actually think she's objectively a 10 though i

02:56:58.760 genuinely do you do you think do you think it's the aesthetic or do you think it's like actually her

02:57:03.880 actual physical like i think that she's structures i think she's she's a beautiful girl we're not saying

02:57:09.480 girl she's not attractive but i'm not i know but a 10 like i mean like i objective scale like on an

02:57:15.080 objective scale please enter mike oh sorry there's definitely limitations on the beauty standard like

02:57:19.800 you guys said like there you at some point you you can't reach an eight or a nine because

02:57:27.800 rihanna is an eight or a nine and you you just you don't touch that status and it's not like it's not

02:57:33.320 like a thing where it's like oh like oh i don't i'm not i'm not that pretty and as a guy you can't if

02:57:38.360 you're below six foot as a guy you're never going to get above like maybe a seven or so

02:57:42.200 unless that's not true it's it just goes off you don't you think that guys who are under six foot

02:57:47.480 are going to be are going to be like the creme de la creme i think that women and men view

02:57:52.680 attraction very differently and i think that height is not a factor in the way that most women

02:57:56.360 operate i think i disagree i disagree 100 percent i'll ask a question here here's a question

02:58:02.120 so two men uh brad pitt donald trump now if you were to ask all the women in the world

02:58:11.880 and they can just judge based off of physical looks do you think that there would be a tendency

02:58:19.640 for more women than not to rank brad pitt as more attractive than donald trump yes

02:58:25.960 yes yes or is it all subjective it's just subjective and melina seems to love him i

02:58:32.440 like i think it's so bad it's so bad the only thing that i would do it's so bad faith because

02:58:37.960 i'm not asking i'm not asking will there never be any one singular woman who will find donald trump

02:58:45.720 attractive that's not what i'm asking you're answering a more of a broader question when he's

02:58:49.880 asking more of a like so straightforward are you asking as far as western beauty standards are

02:58:55.000 concerned between donald trump and brad pitt which one do you think women are going to go for how

02:58:59.480 about we do it let's ask the table who's more physically attractive brad pitt or donald trump

02:59:09.320 i don't think either of them are attractive who's more it doesn't matter who's more attractive

02:59:14.200 but if you think they're equally oh my god who's more you're you got to go into a room with one

02:59:20.120 i'm straight and i know who's more physically attractive you're the last female on the planet

02:59:26.200 with these two men who are you going into a room with to make more children and they're both breeders

02:59:32.920 as well or anything like that if you're going to go into a room with anyone to probably donald trump

02:59:38.200 just to have a conversation okay period all right next one next one you donald trump i don't think

02:59:45.640 she answered did you answer your answer am i supposed to answer donald trump is attractive

02:59:50.280 no oh my god what is wrong i understand i'm i'm yeah it's just silly to me it's just a constant

02:59:56.040 bad can somebody please get me tylenol meant to be bad you know what you could it's just you could

02:59:59.960 just be good faith and just answer the okay okay would you like me to say that brad pitt fits the

03:00:04.040 western it's not what it's not what i would like you to say it's what i'm asking you it feels like

03:00:08.440 you're waiting for me to say something very specific and that's why i feel like i'm at a

03:00:11.240 loss right so so you're saying you don't have and i said stop stop stop stop let me finish are you

03:00:16.120 saying that you don't have the mental capacity to make a determination right here and right now

03:00:21.000 who is more physically attractive brad pitt or donald trump that's the question you need not uh what's

03:00:26.920 it called you need you need not belabor the point any further just answer the question who has a

03:00:33.000 better chance with you donald trump i just said that brad pitt adheres to the western beauty

03:00:38.440 standard like way more than that's not really what you said but okay brad pitt uh that is what

03:00:43.480 she said brad pitt brad pitt no she said she said are you wanting me to answer in this way i want you

03:00:49.960 to just say the truth i actually said i did say no you didn't because the question the question is

03:00:56.280 who i don't think hold on hold on hold on the question is who do you find more attractive and

03:01:03.080 when you say brad pitt uh fits the western beauty standard that's not answering the question that's

03:01:08.520 dancing around the question so there we go anyway who wants to go now brad pitt brad pitt brad pitt

03:01:15.320 yes based donald trump 2024. who do you want

03:01:25.720 my four-year boyfriend oh my god okay period basically i respect that answer she said my four-year

03:01:31.960 boyfriend might yeah but that's the thing is that you just answered the question i think when no no

03:01:37.720 no but i'm a man so you know if it had to be do you think that the reason that there's so many men

03:01:43.560 who are single or who can't get girls is because of how society and the economy is now structured

03:01:48.680 where now it's like men aren't supposed to use their beauty or their physical attractiveness to

03:01:52.280 get a partner that's not been seen before they're supposed to use their resources to get a partner that's

03:01:57.000 for they always think that the way the economy is set up where it's like now both women and men are

03:02:00.440 in the workforce and now women are at an advantage and incentivized to earn more than their husbands

03:02:05.000 or boyfriends or partners or whatever that now those men are basically rendered useless well yes

03:02:09.880 that's actually i mean a very very good point so i mean the way a man in the past historically used to

03:02:15.880 make himself appealing and attractive to a potential partner was by being a provider but now that that's

03:02:21.560 i mean that can still be to some degree employed but to perhaps a far lesser degree

03:02:27.800 look there are some women who want to be stay-at-home wives and they might you know be more

03:02:32.280 inclined to take that into consideration when selecting a partner but now that women for the

03:02:38.360 most part i mean it's i don't know the exact uh comparison when it comes to a workforce participation

03:02:44.280 but yes absolutely men can no no longer men have to rely on much more uh different things it can be

03:02:51.000 looks they need to up their emotional intelligence um their uh conversation skills riz blah blah all

03:02:57.720 that shit so even with emotional intelligence though like a man could be incredibly emotionally

03:03:01.240 intelligent satisfy a woman the most feminist liberal woman in the world but at the end of the

03:03:05.080 day it's not going to be it's not going to be stable it's not going to be something that's

03:03:08.200 sustainable because there is a natural dynamic between men and women that are complementary and unless

03:03:13.480 there's laws and an economy because a lot of women who do want to be stay-at-home moms cannot afford to

03:03:17.880 stay at home because the economy doesn't yield to it anymore actually though interesting point on that

03:03:23.080 stay-at-home mom families where the husband only works when you when they do studies on this actually

03:03:28.440 tend to earn more i mean i'm for that i'm in favor of that i like that i can tell you i think i think

03:03:33.320 that there's just cases where it's like a lot of women do feel pressure at having to leave the

03:03:36.920 workforce or leave the home basically to basically have both you know to meet ends meet or whatever and

03:03:42.520 that will fracture and obviously there's a lot of shaming in society as well like women who want to

03:03:46.120 stay home they get they get shamed as doing something that's like lazy or something like

03:03:50.040 that i think that's the whole thing that i don't like about feminism and why i'm anti-feminism is

03:03:53.960 that the laws before feminism used to basically be in favor of what is best for the family unit which

03:03:58.920 would then transfer over to the neighborhood the society there's more collective power in that way

03:04:03.480 have you looked into paleo conservatism that being said i think that nowadays it's yielding towards

03:04:10.600 just this fractalization where the only people who are you know basically rewarded in society are those

03:04:15.560 that are the most atomized the most lonely and unfortunately they're rewarded i think that

03:04:20.600 socially they're rewarded i think that economically like they have to basically the most quote-unquote

03:04:25.960 successful people nowadays is basically measured off of how much money do you make or how much

03:04:29.880 attention do you get for your physical appearance i think that what does that have to do with being

03:04:33.080 lonely though because you think incels are i think everyone's lonely in this day and i think most

03:04:37.480 people are very much well yeah when you compare it with the past oh incels are like the definition of

03:04:42.440 loneliness basically but i'm like in the past there was used to be that sort of like fabric where

03:04:47.000 it's like a girl was never alone she always had her father her brothers and there was always a

03:04:50.360 multitude of kids right so you're not talking not necessarily loneliness but like independence from

03:04:55.960 independence is loneliness it's like having like yeah i would agree with you even women who strike off

03:05:00.520 on their own and they're like oh i'm a liberated queen or whatever so they are they have higher rates

03:05:04.920 of anxiety higher rates of depression because they're basically having to fend for themselves which is

03:05:08.920 impossible yeah so i think that in order for men to actually be valued in society we can't go off of

03:05:13.560 the beauty scale which is why none of them had like the same equal scale that you guys had because

03:05:18.200 they don't work that way that's not how women evaluate men ever that's not biologically how we're wired

03:05:23.080 i think that in as in you don't think that women value men by beauty it's like if a man were the

03:05:28.840 most beautiful man ever but i'm not emotionally connected to him he i'm gonna ignore him but do you

03:05:33.640 think that it's important though you think physical attraction is rather important yes it's not as it's not

03:05:37.400 going to be as important as it is for for a woman obviously but it is exactly it is important they've

03:05:41.480 actually done studies where they um they they put like uh triggers on these women then they'll show

03:05:46.440 them these photos and they'll ask them to say who they think is more attractive and it'll be like the

03:05:50.120 guy with the dad bod who's like you know holding the holding like the kids or whatever and then it'll

03:05:54.920 be like the broad shoulders firemen and they'll always say oh the die the dad bod's more attractive

03:05:59.160 but then when they their brain is showing that they're much more aroused by the by the fireman guy so i think there is

03:06:04.680 a little bit of like but in terms of long-term relationships obviously i believe i i agree with

03:06:09.960 you i think that women will sacrifice that physical component for the emotional aspect of it i think

03:06:14.120 men tend to sacrifice the emotional component for the physical aspect of it yeah snaps yeah can we do

03:06:19.960 snaps could you repeat that one more time that was a good point yeah i think women sacrifice the

03:06:25.080 physical component in order to get that emotional like factor of it i think men will tend to sacrifice

03:06:29.960 the emotional component i've seen that with countless of my friends where they'll they're like it'll be the sex

03:06:34.200 will be really good yes and she's really hot insane and everyone's like they post them on their

03:06:38.360 instagram and it's like oh look at my hot girlfriend but then when you look at them when no one else is

03:06:42.200 around they're just on their phones they have no connection and then she takes him for half after no

03:06:48.520 time i'm also opposed of course i think three can agree and maybe i don't know about you guys but i'm

03:06:53.720 also opposed to no fault divorce i think that all the laws need to be in place to make sure that a family

03:06:58.680 stays together and basically i don't know it's like the most productive for family building

03:07:03.400 essentially i would agree with you do you guys think no fault divorce yes no no what is that no

03:07:10.760 you can basically can't divorce well it's basically you can divorce it's you can divorce you just can't

03:07:15.240 divorce for we're sort of i want to stay i linger here a little bit on the rating thing um you made the

03:07:22.120 point that was it that men tend to care more about looks than women do yeah i actually disagree here's

03:07:29.240 a hot take i think women care far more about looks than do men is that been your experience

03:07:34.440 i well i think it's true and here's here's why i think it's true so if we look at the things that

03:07:39.560 are within men and women's control women care far more about things that are totally outside of men's

03:07:45.400 control when it comes to their physical appearance for example physical size height hair penis size

03:07:52.520 these are all physical things that are totally outside of men's control if a man's balding out of

03:07:57.080 his out of out of excuse me starting here out of his control most women would prefer a man with a

03:08:02.680 full head of hair women cons would much prefer a tall guy penis size that's factor outside of a man's

03:08:08.600 control all these things are very physical things totally outside man's control however the things that

03:08:13.880 women can control like that's there's really very little that is outside of a woman's control when

03:08:20.200 it comes to that's like make or break when it comes to uh that are deal breakers can i ask you a follow

03:08:25.640 up on that sure do you think that a woman would prefer a man who is five foot seven bald but a

03:08:33.160 billionaire or a guy who is six foot three jacked fireman yoked massive cock but earns 40k a year who do

03:08:41.240 you think they would like prefer as their life partner as a life partner yeah well she'd much

03:08:45.640 prefer to breed like have children with the um i would say the when they're when when you look at

03:08:54.760 like the but i mean that who do you think it's more girl i don't know if it's a totally fair comparison

03:08:59.000 because like the degree to which your lifestyle is changed with a billionaire like i don't think many

03:09:06.600 people comprehend like you are set for life like you don't have to lift a finger so i would argue

03:09:16.440 how often are women going to be posed with those two uh those two choices uh it's hard to say one

03:09:22.760 with a lot of options might have i think you also have to factor in like even though that's a man with

03:09:27.400 a billionaire and it's obviously like a life-changing experience you also have to factor in how bonded do

03:09:31.160 you think that man is going to be to that woman and to the children that he has like elon musk for

03:09:34.680 example he's on to his third baby mama now none of those children really are reared by him they're

03:09:38.920 reared by the mother or by other babysitters and those are factors that women tend to also look

03:09:43.000 for as well the only people who are going to go after a man with that much resources are those who

03:09:47.240 are basically emotionally bankrupt but then also i mean we can also make the argument

03:09:52.520 why is it the case that for example on dating apps women only swipe on like the top

03:09:57.480 five ten percent of men well because that's where it's strictly about uh assessing one's

03:10:03.640 physical appearance so women are much pickier when it comes to physical appearance i agree and

03:10:08.120 i'd actually like to go around the table on this what percentage of men do the women do you find

03:10:13.560 physically attractive

03:10:17.320 i don't know like maybe 40 40 percent okay what about you i would say between 70 and 80. i can i feel like

03:10:25.080 i acknowledge people people's physical like features and i'm like i can acknowledge you're

03:10:28.520 attractive without being attractive to you that makes sense okay what about you 50 50 50 yeah i'd

03:10:34.360 agree wait what was the full question what percentage of men like if you're walking down the street are

03:10:39.640 you physically attracted to um that's the question what did you think the question was kayla like just

03:10:46.280 attractive not like actually jump out of my skin yeah no you don't know i'm just saying like think of it

03:10:52.840 binary yes or no no i definitely say 50 50 there's a lot of cap going on here but okay what about you

03:10:59.160 i'm gonna be 100 honest and i'm gonna tell you why none what because you're in a relationship

03:11:05.240 because obviously i'm in a relationship okay but like can you maybe hypothetically like let's assume

03:11:09.640 you weren't is your boyfriend gonna like you i don't usually answer the question like can you let

03:11:15.320 me finish i'm so sorry but um so i've been with my boyfriend for a couple of months so obviously

03:11:20.360 like i know what you're talking about like girls walking down the street like before i had my

03:11:24.440 boyfriend like would i be walking down the street and just look at a guy and be like he oh he's cute

03:11:28.360 no i would so even before you were in a relationship you found all guys unattractive not unattractive but

03:11:36.280 i didn't gush over them or turn my head or look no but that's that's not really the question i'm not

03:11:40.680 asking i'm not oh they don't have to be like this this like top tier specimen but just like did you

03:11:45.320 find do you find them attractive was the basketball team okay i get your i get your question now like

03:11:50.120 do i find men attractive yeah what percentage of men do you find attractive 20 has anybody here been

03:11:58.120 on dating apps yes has been on what percentage of men are you swiping yes on 30 well that's very

03:12:03.800 different than your previous so in person somehow it's 50 50 but on dating apps it's no no i'm i meant

03:12:10.200 to say like i change my 50 50 to 10 you've been on dating apps yeah what percentage of men on dating

03:12:16.360 apps do you swipe yes on um not a lot actually i want to change my answer too because i understand

03:12:20.920 it at first probably like okay okay there we go now the now the truth comes okay i was just going to

03:12:27.320 say that i stand by mine being 70 80 because i i all i think everybody all the men in this room are

03:12:32.520 attractive and i like objectively so like i think that you are we know what percentage of men like

03:12:42.520 on dating apps what percentage of men do you swipe yes on dating apps none i would say two percent two

03:12:48.120 percent what about you i don't really use dating apps but i find that like it's really easy to like

03:12:54.840 find quality so i'm like oh like that's attractive in a person just looks just looks

03:12:58.360 walking down the street if you're not on dating apps

03:13:04.520 i don't go outside much i'm gonna be honest i'm a streamer i don't know how about did you go to

03:13:11.400 college uh no i did not uh did like generally i think i can find i feel like i can find something

03:13:18.920 attractive in like almost every guy that's like able-bodied and like healthy enough just like okay

03:13:24.360 all right what about you what what's yours um i'd probably say like five percent five percent yeah

03:13:35.000 okay i'm a person who like when i look at dating or attractiveness i look in personality yeah like

03:13:43.240 i wasn't attracted to the my exes but i got to know them and that's what made me like who they are

03:13:50.280 like people you you weren't attracted did you tell them attracted to yeah they know that they know i

03:13:55.000 wasn't attracted to them but once i got to know them i but now i do think they're attractive because

03:13:59.880 i like who they are don't tell that to you next day tell him tell him that was a fire it's like his

03:14:05.400 personality made him contain it who's next um see like uh i don't like dating apps for that specific

03:14:12.920 reason that it's based on looks uh so i don't even look at what they look like i just go yeah so i

03:14:18.440 swipe i used to swipe like 10 when it's like on the streets i'd say like 40 percent okay like more

03:14:26.040 on the street yeah um i don't use dating apps but typically in any typically in any room i'll find a

03:14:32.280 guy that kind of is attractive to me so okay well did you go to college yes what percentage of the men

03:14:37.480 when you went to college did you find attractive physically attractive maybe one every three semesters

03:14:43.800 and even then i didn't really find it okay so i mean checkmate women are way pickier when it comes

03:14:48.360 to physical attractiveness see but i think that women will compromise but deep take the l but

03:14:55.480 also but they're they're that's okay they're pickier but who do you think it's more important to

03:15:01.160 see i think i think women are it's uh that's a good question i may

03:15:05.240 i think as a man you can like if your personality is on point if you have some sort of status or

03:15:13.480 you're wealthy for example you can make up for a lack of physical attractiveness

03:15:18.520 i don't think you can make up for it as a as a girl no no as a guy yeah yeah but i'm saying as a

03:15:22.920 girl though i don't think it's but i don't think you really can they can make up for it by being uh

03:15:26.920 pleasant that's true that's true there is ways you can make up for it well you laugh about

03:15:31.720 or quote-unquote wifey material pleasant pleasant is the nicest way you can say it

03:15:37.080 a lot of men will like happily if it's like she's a nine but she's a fucking raging lunatic

03:15:45.720 bitch versus like she's a six but she's submissive sweetheart brings you peace never quarrelsome

03:15:52.760 every day i think a lot like for long yeah maybe the that chick she's good for a short-term thing i'm

03:15:58.440 not particularly interested in any any short-term encounters but for like long-term monogamous

03:16:03.880 commitment like yeah i think we'll sacrifice a couple points and looks if she's like a really like

03:16:08.600 mellow cool girl who brings us peace and is in the headache yeah yeah so is that your preference of a

03:16:14.440 woman what a woman who doesn't quarrel yeah that's in the bible yes sleep on the roof and be with proverbs

03:16:21.800 21 19 uh better to was it he's been reading better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and

03:16:29.000 nagging wife are there any women in your life that fit that criteria what's that are there any women in

03:16:33.960 your life so far that fit that criteria oh absolutely i think i've i've actually had some really wonderful

03:16:38.520 women uh who i've dated um i've really only maybe dated most of the women i dated have been fantastic

03:16:45.640 great women that's good um and uh yeah yeah so but i have dated like i did date a girl who had bpd

03:16:52.920 and that was a major fucking mistake and my life was fucking like constant it was constant

03:16:59.880 conflict with her and there was never peace and like having had that experience and dating like

03:17:06.840 super mellow calm girls and we're never like quarreling or conflict like it's it's night and

03:17:12.040 fucking day and i'll gladly give like some looks points away for like just a really cool like

03:17:18.440 girl that's especially if you're busy if you're a busy guy you do not my life is yeah my life is

03:17:23.240 stressful enough as it is so like i don't want to like if you're the the dudes who will like

03:17:28.280 entertain like crazy craziness crazy chicks are dudes who probably have nothing fucking going for them

03:17:34.760 because a dude who's like on his purpose he doesn't need that shit his life is probably stressful

03:17:40.040 enough he's like he's fighting with the world so he doesn't want to invite in like he wants his girl

03:17:46.360 to be his piece and if she's not i feel like that's fair enough to say for women as well though oh i think

03:17:52.920 that's fair if a girl if a girl wants a guy who's calm and mellow and you know it's gonna also like

03:17:58.680 because dudes can definitely bring fucking drama do you think there's more like crazy psycho lunatic women

03:18:04.360 or female or women or males it's probably a little more women i'd say i don't know i've met a lot of

03:18:10.520 why is it why is it i look i don't date dudes so i don't know but like look i've heard from women

03:18:16.600 there's some like nasty dudes out there i'm not saying all dudes are perfect not a lot of guys can

03:18:21.000 move in very scummy ways and fuck your life up the same way a woman can but like why is there is

03:18:27.480 certainly a trope and i think there's certainly truth and stereotypes to some degree like why is it the

03:18:32.440 trope like the nagging wife you don't really hear about the nagging boyfriend the nagging husband

03:18:37.160 typically like how many of your dudes be nagging you really okay a couple of things i mean maybe

03:18:42.840 you've encountered it but like dudes are not nagging chicks really no but but aren't there more women

03:18:50.440 on the planet than men though so that would just be the case at the end i'm not sure if that statistically

03:18:54.360 pans out i'm not sure but i was just a question i think but um i think a woman to her extreme is going

03:18:59.480 to be insane i think a man to his extreme is going to be a workaholic and i think that typically if a

03:19:03.720 man is emotional and chaotic i think he's typically someone who is as brian said unemployed has nothing

03:19:09.560 going for him and if a woman is a workaholic she's also kind of a minority where it's like you're kind

03:19:13.640 of forsaking that which makes you a woman it's just that those are the ones that those tendencies are

03:19:17.640 the unhealthy expressions of womanhood which is being insane and an unhealthy expression if you look at

03:19:21.800 the the um bell curve of like personality disorders as well um or like if you look at the bell curve of

03:19:27.400 aggression for example all of the psychopaths at the very top who are like the most crazy are all

03:19:33.720 guys that's why prisons are packed out with men that's also why like the corporate world is packed

03:19:38.920 out with men because you get these guys at the top who are just like willing to step on anyone's head

03:19:42.920 and psychotic but yeah it's an interesting one i don't know where that more psychos are to be honest

03:19:48.440 one last thing on the rating thing where's where's arson arson what are you doing back there

03:19:54.280 arson starting to fire back there what's she doing come join us while i get this question here

03:20:01.880 um okay so actually let me do some chats while she gets her seat back we have miss nims high value did

03:20:06.600 i read this one high value men date women of quality don't complain when you're not of quality

03:20:11.480 to their standard miss nims thank you for the merci beaucoup for the canadian 100 appreciate it we have

03:20:16.760 andrew zoo these girls are so basic what the fuck answer the dang questions they're not that hard to

03:20:22.600 understand so frustrating to watch andrew zoo thank you man for your patronage this is i think your

03:20:28.680 first time chatting welcome to uh whatever podcast uh thank you man appreciate it and uh okay so

03:20:37.480 going around the table starting with you zombri is your name what's your actual name

03:20:43.080 b like short for brianna yeah okay um are you more attractive how you're 26 correct are you more

03:20:52.200 attractive do you think you'll be more attractive at 36 or 26 probably 26 okay so you'll be i i don't

03:21:01.080 want to articulate each one of your eight what's that hopefully 36 though hopefully 36 but okay so the

03:21:06.520 question is do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years or do you think you're more attractive as

03:21:10.280 you are now so you answered what about you okay that's part of as far as physical appearance obviously

03:21:17.000 yeah physical appearance guys physical appearance obviously i'm gonna be like more youthful and plump

03:21:23.000 right now so i got moisture behind my skin okay i see but as far as 36 i'm gonna become more beautiful

03:21:34.040 in other ways i'm i'm reaching enlightenment by then you know what i'm saying so yeah but it's just

03:21:39.720 still be beautiful beauty in another way okay so what's the answer as far as looks man all the

03:21:48.760 superficial questions just make my insides curdle like this is such a cringe question like like we're

03:21:54.360 are you saying at 36 i'm a i'm like spire like no no i'm not gonna think like that here let me let me

03:22:00.200 add a caveat you all may very well be still attractive in 10 years the question is are you

03:22:09.560 will you be more attractive in 10 years than you are now i'm gonna just say yes

03:22:18.440 what about you yes i think older women are attractive

03:22:22.680 uh but see okay here you are being bad faith again i even with the caveat even with the caveat

03:22:28.440 i think that i will be attractive i will be even more attractive at 36 i think i will because i

03:22:32.520 think but the way you said that like you said yes i think older women are attractive that's not the

03:22:37.240 question that i was asking i'm not asking if you'll be attractive i'm sorry that i'm not saying

03:22:42.120 at 37 the way that if you ask a dumb question you're gonna it's not it's not a dumb question i

03:22:47.480 think that i will be i think that i will be more attractive at 30 how is it a dumb i think what

03:22:52.440 she's saying based off of knowing that older women are attractive and she's going to reach that age

03:22:58.200 that she thinks is attractive she's gonna be attractive it was just basically a long answer

03:23:03.000 for a short answer like you know because what message are you trying to spread right now you're

03:23:06.920 trying to spread like hate into the world and like self-esteem issues into women like how is that

03:23:11.800 how is that hateful can i answer so i think i don't think it's hateful i think that when it comes to an

03:23:17.560 objective standard as we've been talking about in a commercial world where people are basically ranked in this

03:23:21.640 very emotionally detached way 26 is obviously more attractive than 36 but i think once again

03:23:26.520 hearkening back to the olden times i think 36 tends to be more of a actually beautiful age mostly because

03:23:31.880 at that point that's your wife that's the mother of your children that's someone that you've aged with

03:23:35.560 that's someone that you've invested time okay it is currently the 20th century um okay 26 is your

03:23:41.640 final answer no 26 yes because i am still young um when you're older yeah you tend yeah okay but to the

03:23:50.120 the point that like let's assume you're just single like yes maybe your husband still thinks

03:23:55.240 you're beautiful or thinks you're more beautiful than when he met you 10 years ago again guys please

03:24:00.120 try to be good faith it's a very simple question no i 100 think i would still be more attractive as

03:24:05.800 a 26 year old than a 36 but you're 21 so i'm just asking no 10 years from now will you be more attractive

03:24:12.680 in 10 years than you are now starting with you so you said yes okay kayla uh into the mic yes yes

03:24:21.640 more attractive no no i think i'm more attractive as a 21 year old okay so kayla more attractive you

03:24:26.760 kayla you're 20 more attractive right now okay so you'll be okay okay i think i would be more attractive

03:24:35.320 in 10 years because within the span of time i can work out more i can eat healthy i can do a skin

03:24:39.560 care i can do this i can do that i'll look better in 10 years okay um i think that when i'm 31 i'll be

03:24:45.720 more attractive more attractive what about you um if i get my bbl probably

03:24:53.400 that's a whole nother topic

03:24:59.320 oh well we should be nice guys but um that is actually wild says the incel i donated

03:25:06.040 oh forza shots fired shots fired all right forza appreciate the uh tts um

03:25:14.600 okay so you said bbl you get the bbl you think if i get a bbl you think i'll be more attractive in

03:25:20.360 10 years you think that'll make you more attractive i'm not gonna get one like do you guys like bbls i'm

03:25:26.040 not sure i've just come from mexico no i'd rather work out yeah bbls actually working out doesn't

03:25:33.000 i feel like guys are more interested in this makes you natural body females as a natural

03:25:40.680 i would find myself more attractive now or if i was in 10 years right i'm just saying i might find

03:25:46.680 myself more attractive if i do get a bbl for myself period end of story yeah it's it's cancerous this is

03:25:52.840 just kind of the debate of like you know the the inward versus the outward opinion but yeah um i mean

03:25:59.560 i don't know about you jake but like a bbl can only make a girl less attractive yeah less for me

03:26:05.320 i don't care if she had a flat butt before i prefer a girl with a flat butt than a

03:26:09.080 bbl don't you guys think they look doesn't look right there's no there's no such thing as a good

03:26:16.360 bbl i'm sorry you don't even know that it's there you would know how would you not you would know i've

03:26:21.320 just honestly natural bbl i've been i've been more natural than like i've been in mexico recently and

03:26:27.000 they look absolutely ridiculous especially when they're on like fat girls so when y'all asked

03:26:31.720 when y'all asked me the question i said that i would work out i would eat healthy i would do

03:26:35.720 skincare whatever y'all were like okay cool no no no we were gonna we were gonna come back

03:26:39.800 it well we had that up here but then she's talking about bbls for herself which has nothing to

03:26:45.080 do with ever anybody else or what they think that's the end of story okay miss girl pop off next on

03:26:49.880 on your point though if why would you need to do skincare and all that if you're going to look

03:26:53.720 more beautiful what do you mean no i'm saying the reason why i'm going to look more beautiful is

03:26:58.680 because i'm going to take those or do those things over the course of 10 years so you think that if

03:27:03.960 you do skincare and you keep your skin looking relatively like how it is now in 10 years time

03:27:08.600 you'll look you'll be more attractive well i'm saying all together like working out eating healthy

03:27:13.400 because i don't eat that healthy like come on now i don't eat that healthy i don't work here but

03:27:17.160 the crux of the question is not like well i could do all these behavioral changes and then in 10 years

03:27:22.200 i can have a glow up it's let's say you're at your best now compared to your best at 31. i will be at

03:27:30.360 my best at 31. okay please bear with me this is going to sound like an annoying non-answer but i feel

03:27:36.520 like again we're having the clashing of ideals of like beauty standards and stuff like i would feel

03:27:42.120 perfectly fine at 34 because like not the question you might please you you you're welcome to feel

03:27:49.160 perfectly fine at 34 but that's not the question i'm not finished continue with your point i'm 34

03:27:54.680 i would be much more my natural self right now i have dyed hair i have eyelash extensions

03:27:59.240 i would probably dress more like an actual mature person and i think right now my style is more

03:28:05.960 i don't know chaotic i don't think it's very mature i think in 10 years from now i would be more

03:28:09.160 attractive so what if you made those if you made all of those um changes within the next month do

03:28:17.720 you think you would be all those things you listed you know your hair was natural whatever whatever

03:28:22.920 would you comparing yourself at what is it you're 24 is it yeah 24 to 34. i still feel like i would be

03:28:32.120 more attractive more physically attractive okay what about you uh you're 22 correct yeah i'd say like

03:28:38.920 i'd be more attractive now okay what about you i'll say 26 and you're wait you're 26 right okay

03:28:47.400 here i want to double down on this more attractive now or in 20 years

03:28:54.680 and this is the last round of this one definitely not all okay what about you in 20 years because i'm

03:28:59.880 a fairy i know magic and i'll look like this forever 20 years you'll you'll be more attractive

03:29:06.440 in 20 years okay i'll be more attractive now yeah definitely right now definitely now

03:29:17.000 i don't know i just have seen my mother and my sister age so well that i think that in 20 years i'll

03:29:21.880 i'll be fine again but that's not the question i'm not asking you may very well be you're 20 correct

03:29:28.600 yes you may very well still be attractive at 40 years old but that's not the question

03:29:33.320 so what's the question the question is will you be more attractive at 40 than you are now at 20

03:29:40.040 bear in mind everybody ages that has certain impact on your skin it has certain impact on wrinkles for

03:29:46.200 example so old oh maybe maybe now maybe 20. okay what about you you can get a bbl at 40 i guess

03:29:52.920 no i think now now okay yeah comparatively to 20 20 years now okay no no so to be clear if we were to

03:30:02.040 like and i we can't really draw this but so those of you who answered well i'll be better looking at 30

03:30:07.240 but worse at 40 than you are now so basically like you you're starting you're starting here and then

03:30:14.360 you're going wait you're starting here then you're going up to 30 and then you're going down like

03:30:22.760 that's a little confusing to me wouldn't it just be 20 30 40 wouldn't that make more sense yes i've

03:30:29.800 heard that your 30s are like your best years who said that i don't know i've just heard that before

03:30:35.160 because that's when like after you're like 20s like you are struggling going through college you're

03:30:41.160 broke or not but then not the question though maybe your life is better at 30. so then that

03:30:46.520 reflects on how you look like you're doing well off yeah like if i'm eating ramen all night every

03:30:51.400 single day for like no she do have a speaking to them if i'm eating ramen like only for like five

03:30:56.200 years straight during college do you say do you think like do you think a 20 year old who's just

03:31:01.400 eating ramen in college is going to be worse looking than their future self at 40 who's like on a

03:31:07.480 fantastic diet yeah really see even if you're even if you're like girls at like 20 like like if i'm

03:31:15.480 taking horrible care of myself right now i look like okay but as you get older like you lose fat

03:31:21.320 in your face like your eyes will get hollowed out right you'll lose the fat right here you'll get

03:31:25.560 wrinkles you'll get you know sagging skin you'll get a turkey neck like there's a lot of issues that

03:31:31.080 come with aging and i think the point that he's trying to make is like you don't get you don't get more

03:31:36.040 beautiful yeah and that's the point that he's trying to make to you guys because you guys work

03:31:40.200 in an industry where your beauty like i and and i think it's not really like posed this way to kind

03:31:46.920 of like like in in in a better way i think it could be um is that your industry you're losing you're

03:31:54.360 depreciating like your value you're not gonna get you're not gonna get more value i think honestly like

03:32:02.200 there's obviously women in their 30s and their 40s that are beautiful but i think at that age you're not

03:32:05.720 supposed to be seen as sexually attractive i think at that point that's basically like there's

03:32:09.800 a level of respect there where it's like we don't see women in that age bracket as sexual because

03:32:15.160 they're supposed to be mothers at that point i mean that's not that's not even the argument that's

03:32:19.320 not even really the argument i'm trying to make i think people are confusing improving weight and

03:32:23.640 health with being more attractive and we're referring to the attractive attractiveness of age

03:32:29.560 not other factors if you were your best weight and health at 25 you would be more attractive than

03:32:36.040 your best weight and health at 35 if you i mean there's no way around that if it's your best

03:32:42.520 health at 25 versus your best weight and health at 35 and you think you're more physically attractive

03:32:48.840 at 35 that just it doesn't compute because because of the because of aging so you're saying just

03:32:54.520 naturally yeah okay what's going on is you're conflating you're like not anyone specifically

03:33:01.480 but you're conflating like a young woman who's overweight and unhealthy their unhealthy selves

03:33:07.080 at 25 to their potentially improved weight and health at 35 but that's not an equal comparison

03:33:13.880 that doesn't prove anything about the innate attractiveness of age okay so you're just saying

03:33:18.040 naturally then yeah like like naturally in 10 years or naturally subtracting the usefulness

03:33:23.960 like you're subtracting putting in any effort to change your appearance naturally can we can we agree

03:33:28.920 on this that like everybody here at this table is compared to in 40 years we're all at our peak

03:33:38.920 attractiveness now compared to how we're going to look in 40 years can we agree on that yes yeah i i i just

03:33:45.560 i personally don't just because personally in my preference i like older women like if i'm talking

03:33:50.600 about the female beauty standard i am attracted to older women i just saw pamela anderson at that

03:33:55.880 paris fashion week and she wore no makeup and i was like oh my god i want to look like that at 50.

03:34:00.360 can we put our socials in the chat for the singer mama she's 40. you think no pamela anderson is 50.

03:34:05.480 you think pamela anderson is like do you think here here's a different question do you think most

03:34:10.520 people will would agree with you that she's more attractive now than she was baywatch what 20 20

03:34:15.560 years ago 30 years ago no i watch pamela or now i never i didn't i didn't watch baywatch i didn't

03:34:20.840 i wasn't familiar with her work whenever she was younger doesn't that's but you you think most people

03:34:26.120 would find her more attractive more than oh like like like statistically i'm sure i i know i'm an odd

03:34:32.120 one out for finding older women like a stimulatingly attractive like i know i'm the odd one out okay but

03:34:37.720 you this is like a very like self-centered way to like view the conversation while you may very

03:34:43.880 well find older women attractive if we're having like a generalized conversation like it's you're

03:34:53.080 you're finding it difficult to step outside of like your sort of solipsistic world view and try

03:34:59.000 to look at well what what is generally the truth well i suppose i i assumed showing like coming up here

03:35:05.480 that it was to bring my my worldview in the way that i think about things to the situation just

03:35:09.800 like everybody and so i thought it was more collaborative like oh that's what you think

03:35:13.080 oh word well why do you think that okay i mean like whatever what do you think i thought it was more

03:35:17.240 and i don't here's the thing i don't object to you having like your nuanced view and i don't disagree

03:35:23.880 that you may very that you individually might view older women as more physically attractive

03:35:29.880 i'm not countering you on that but when we're saying generally speaking people will view it like

03:35:36.520 this like and you're not you're not willing to engage with like a general conversation that's

03:35:46.200 where it gets complicated i just thought that having my own opinion was being a part of the conversation

03:35:50.360 i didn't mean to intentionally like impose any like uh anything wild i i just thought that it was to

03:35:57.960 bring it like to bring everybody's bringing their own thoughts to the conversation but okay if we're

03:36:01.880 having a conversation where if we're saying if if there's a bunch of people at table and we all say

03:36:08.280 the sky is blue but one person is colorblind for example and they say well the sky looks gray to me

03:36:15.880 well that's not the actual truth of what is okay but you didn't ask her the objective like like he

03:36:22.840 actually kind of did though because when you ask do you think you'll be more attractive it's not do you

03:36:26.600 think in your in your own purview like depending on what you're attracted to that you'll be more

03:36:32.120 attractive based on yeah but to yourself no no do you think when i asked when you say when if someone

03:36:36.200 asked me jake um do you think you'll be more attractive in 20 years instantly i'm going to think

03:36:41.560 well you know men they do tend to get a little bit more attractive as they get older what would

03:36:45.640 society view view me as that sort of thing i'm not going to think when i look at myself in the mirror

03:36:49.800 what what do i think well that's what i thought wait wait wait let me i want to address your thing

03:36:54.120 so i am de facto referring to people's outward assessment yeah of who who you guys are

03:37:02.440 what is attractiveness if you were the only person left on earth

03:37:09.320 to be attractive there that's an that's a the framework is there has to be someone external

03:37:15.800 something external to be able to deem you as attractive no so if you're the only person on earth

03:37:22.440 quite frankly your attractiveness has become totally irrelevant it's no longer important so

03:37:28.440 just by virtue of me asking the question of course it's about the external reality no absolutely i'm

03:37:35.080 not debating you on that but like i feel like i took the question and i feel like they all took

03:37:38.600 the question as like how would you view yourself versus and i think you could oppose that question

03:37:42.760 how would you kind of kind of telling though you know because if you ask a group of men that and

03:37:47.800 it's not like i'm not judging or anything but if you ask a group of men that they're not going to

03:37:50.760 think like about themselves they're gonna they're going to be thinking like on a more sort of logical

03:37:55.240 and objective basis and i guess that's why we have these conversations because it's interesting to

03:37:58.760 see the difference yeah but i think a lot of like the back and forth and a lot of like the issues are

03:38:02.200 a lot of just like i think just miscommunication yeah yeah yeah but so in order to be attractive

03:38:09.480 there needs to be an other right so that would imply that somebody outside of you is making the

03:38:17.160 judgment is making the value call is rank ordering you okay isn't that what attractiveness is somebody

03:38:24.280 outside of you has to make some sort of determination on that so again i mean you guys

03:38:29.160 are saying you'll be more some of you are saying you'll be more attractive in 10 years you'll be

03:38:32.200 more attractive in 20 years typically speaking when it comes to aging and i think this applies to

03:38:36.360 both men and women as we age there's just a certain biological reality to aging where as we

03:38:42.680 age we are less physically attractive so but i do want to the last thing on this i want to come back

03:38:49.240 to you you you asserted that this line of questioning was was hateful and i'd like you to prevent

03:38:55.480 provide some evidence for how it's hateful because i mean this this it occurs to me that this is a

03:39:01.080 uh well what you're trying to make us all what you're trying to make us all feel like right now

03:39:06.360 i'm not trying to make you feel any sort of what it does whether you're trying to or not it does it

03:39:10.520 makes us it's opening our brains to realize oh you're going to get uglier as you age that's

03:39:16.520 how you all want us all to feel right now but don't you think that's like that's not well like

03:39:20.200 a crazy thing to say that's that's pretty yes that is that is like the opposite of body positivity

03:39:26.600 well i'm not i think i've been very uh diplomatic in the way i've been phrasing things

03:39:34.200 well okay i'm i've never called any of you ugly and i think i said all of you yeah you straight

03:39:38.360 up called her ugly brie like a little while ago you were like you're not a 10. yeah that's

03:39:45.000 so you think that somebody's not a 10 is ugly you think that's that's not me calling her ugly

03:39:49.320 well your face was like it felt mean-spirited i'll be it felt targeted i mean

03:39:53.160 spirited just simply because i said that specific he could have meant you're a 9.5 not a 10. yeah so

03:39:58.440 i didn't say right but i didn't but i understand why you would have felt that energy because i yeah

03:40:02.600 girl yeah but that's i mean that's just erroneous you're making everybody defensive like i'm like

03:40:08.760 i think we just need to differentiate of like objective like objective like what you mean by like

03:40:14.040 okay well what do you rate yourself i'd rate myself this she might rate my you know the world might

03:40:19.320 rate me that and i'm just saying like i think that's important to differentiate because i think

03:40:23.000 it's interesting to see how people interpret the question though it's not no i agree i agree

03:40:26.920 without it's like not even like you can have even two sides on that technically so do you do you think

03:40:31.640 that it's an offensive thing to say if you say to somebody you're going to get less attractive as

03:40:35.240 you get older yes you think that's a hateful thing to say definitely and if you think 100 and

03:40:39.640 you think it's also a hateful thing to say to say somebody that you're not a 10 100 but why are you

03:40:45.160 valuing what they say about you hold on a second no therapy i'm just like hold on a second now so you

03:40:51.720 think that that's that's um like an unreasonable thing to say why what do you mean why that creates

03:40:59.160 negative emotions in people it creates self-esteem issues you're trying to give everyone self-esteem

03:41:04.120 problems like we're not trying to do anything if i was to say to you you're you're gonna get really

03:41:10.040 ugly as you get older that might be a little bit of a self-esteem problem or if i was to say to you

03:41:14.760 you're a two that would be a self-esteem problem but if i'm pointing out to you the objective reality

03:41:19.160 that as human beings get older we get less attractive that's a subjective reality i don't

03:41:23.400 know what you're talking so you think that an 80 year old is is is more attractive than a 25 year

03:41:28.360 old girl that's not even thought i just want to bring you not call me girl sorry that's just how

03:41:33.000 that's how i talk that's even i want just on your conversational thread here so i mean do you think

03:41:41.960 comparing say do you care about looks in a guy at all like you care about their physical appearance

03:41:48.120 yes like would you date an obese guy no oh would you date a guy who but i wouldn't tell them to

03:41:54.200 their face or bring it up on the internet or like well i mean sure and i agree i wouldn't just like

03:41:59.640 walk up to some girl and like in the street and be like you're a five i wouldn't do that but when

03:42:05.480 like we're having a panel discussion on dating i think it's a that has nothing to do with like any

03:42:11.400 kind of dating stuff though it's well it's actually very related to dating and i can get into it in a bit

03:42:16.840 but okay so i mean you've already determined that you would not date a guy if he was morbidly obese

03:42:21.320 so that's you making of that why isn't he attend for you why would you not date him why are you

03:42:25.800 allowed to make a judgment call on the man's physical appearance but men aren't that's not

03:42:32.120 what i'm saying i mean you can have your own personal preference but to go around and like late

03:42:38.120 like i wouldn't sit down like 10 obese people and be like you're fat you're lazy like like what

03:42:43.800 okay wait but to be fair the only reason why we brought up anything about men is because it was

03:42:48.440 questions you asked if that makes sense what yeah i'm the host of the podcast i tend to ask questions

03:42:55.960 saying that like she gets to talk about it well it was a question like they rated themselves yeah

03:43:01.240 asking what we rate ourselves and then it feels like it's like you're not like taking what we say

03:43:06.600 seriously because you it feels as though it's oh well you should feel this way because of objective

03:43:10.200 truth and it's like well the original question was just how do you see yourself let me ask you

03:43:13.400 guys that's not what i was saying we'll go we'll talk about that so let me ask you guys a question

03:43:16.440 do any of the girls here know a guy who thinks he's hot shit but he's actually not yes yes who are you

03:43:23.320 who are you who are you to not affirm his belief of how he feels about himself you you ought to be

03:43:31.800 compelled one to be attracted to him and to date him and to sleep with him because he thinks he's hot

03:43:36.520 shit and he's a 10 you're not entitled to your own view no because they when all those men that

03:43:42.600 think they're hot whatever will make you feel less than so they they will so it's only a problem when

03:43:48.680 men do it i see no no that's not what i'm saying but i'm sure you all know guys who think they're i

03:43:54.680 know dudes who think they're hot shit but they're actually not and like the difference is though like

03:43:59.480 reality tends to slap these dudes in the face a little more than than when it comes to women and i can

03:44:04.040 get into why but look we all i'm sure you'd prefer to date a guy who's taller than you correct

03:44:11.160 that's you making a a value call a value judgment based off of a physical characteristic a trait

03:44:18.440 okay and your point is i would also say that when the question was posed it's more reflection of if

03:44:24.360 you get defensive brian's not making you feel defensive it's just you haven't made peace with

03:44:27.960 a certain that's exactly what he's doing okay i get what i get what she's saying here going back to

03:44:33.000 the question though so when it comes to a guy would you date an 80 year old hell no why that's

03:44:40.600 ageist because because of their ages is it because of what i have to talk about with him

03:44:45.960 he has a lot of wisdom his crossword puzzles and sudoku what if he likes my chemical romance and

03:44:51.880 see that's not gonna happen and i don't even like them no you don't you don't like not chemical

03:44:57.480 romance that's the most upsetting thing i've heard all night no i don't even know well no i know that

03:45:02.840 scene too but i don't really like that music it's too it's it doesn't vibrate so the primary reason

03:45:07.640 you wouldn't want to date an 80 year old it's not because they're super old looking it's it's because

03:45:12.680 you guys wouldn't have things literally one of my best friends literally my one of my best friends is

03:45:16.760 like 45 it's literally based off the character of like who he is like and i hang out with him almost

03:45:22.200 like every other day but so like i literally i don't feel like age is like that crazy you know

03:45:27.480 what i mean okay well let me do you think do you think it's a biological reality as jake was saying

03:45:34.200 that over time people age and with aging typically you over time become less physically attractive

03:45:41.400 it really depends because his girlfriend right now is like like super young so it's like really

03:45:47.240 if you just have enough riz it like you could really like you know riz up a lot of people it

03:45:53.320 just depends if you have swag like that but like statistically speaking you think an 80 year old with

03:45:58.040 like mega riz is is yeah imagine they're like some dope ass artist or something like girls like want

03:46:04.040 to be around that stuff you know what i mean they're typically picking up i i think like i think like the

03:46:10.040 average the average like 21 year old college girl i don't care how much riz the 80 year old dude is

03:46:17.400 gonna like has she would probably prefer to date a guy like who's like within her age range who's just

03:46:23.000 like a normal dude like okay well you generalizing and that's not my reality so i don't know no but

03:46:29.400 that's just statistical fact that's just the reality i don't know where you're getting the statistics from

03:46:33.960 but i don't pay attention to them like i mean i don't know basically she's saying that she just

03:46:39.480 lives in her delusional world no no no i would say that you're just that's fine i would say that yeah

03:46:44.440 it's like you're sort of in in your bubble because it's like by the environment that you've been in

03:46:48.040 you've been kind of comfortable in there and i think what brian's trying to attempt is to pull you

03:46:51.720 out of it so you can kind of have some self-awareness but at the same time women are fundamentally

03:46:55.640 emotional creatures and that's why rules were made in place so that way comments on their appearance on

03:47:00.280 their age were never brought up because and also you guys are exactly the consumer market so all

03:47:04.440 the advertisers are advertising at you telling you what you want to hear giving us a delusion

03:47:08.440 yeah it's a problem exactly is this like a agree to disagree two plus two can be nine

03:47:15.000 yeah it is or is it which is way better than or is it we're definitely right and we just totally

03:47:22.280 disregard your points of view on this agree to disagree no never can i so i think men find

03:47:30.120 talking to the microphone sorry i think men base attractiveness also off of like age in relation

03:47:36.600 to like fertility because like men instinctively want to reproduce right yes so i think that is a

03:47:41.560 big thing that will like key into their attractiveness and like chris was saying when women are in their

03:47:46.600 30s we feel more um human and less sexualized and objectified but also men have the same the same kind

03:47:53.800 of like timeline not as fixed as women because there's obviously a cutoff point with women but

03:47:57.480 men al pacino al pacino the one who yeah well then she left him because she got the resources

03:48:04.280 the child and immediately filed for divorce and it's like even in those instances it's like men

03:48:08.600 start to struggle with ed they start to struggle with fertility issues the the quality of the stuff

03:48:13.240 isn't as strong so the child's going to have birth defects so there's a there's a value of sexual

03:48:18.920 vitality that's valued in both sexes and that's why we tend to want to aim for people in our age range

03:48:23.720 basically and that's why men tend to shoot for lower well it's more so like women want a man who's

03:48:29.880 a little bit older than her typically just because of his experience his wisdom he can provide more

03:48:34.680 protection but it's still like within five years statistically last thing on the looks thing and

03:48:39.800 then we're going to switch gears with a different topic so an estimated 10 of men on dating apps

03:48:44.680 are being pursued by the overwhelming majority of women who are on these dating apps most of whom i would

03:48:51.400 argue are trying to date well above what their looks prospects and personalities warrant so this

03:48:57.640 is why i do think and and why i tend to push back on this rating thing and it's not to be mean but it's

03:49:03.560 actually to guide women and here's why and you might think oh brian blah blah you you want to hate women

03:49:09.480 no what i see happening is if women are so gassed up on their if they have a false self-assessment

03:49:18.360 of their own physical appearance and just um trying to think the best way to phrase this

03:49:25.720 if a woman has a false false self-assessment of her own physical appearance and she's super gassed up

03:49:31.560 then she's going to if she thinks she's a 10 then she's going to start curving guys

03:49:37.960 who are actually on her level and she's going to think she deserves or is entitled to a certain caliber of

03:49:44.680 man that's never going to give her a commitment that's never going to give her a ring that's

03:49:48.680 never going to give her a long-term relationship so what you have happening is typically there's

03:49:53.080 a percentage of men that are basically monopolizing a lord not all this isn't playing out in all

03:49:58.200 relationship dynamics but you have a small percentage of men that have basically multiple girlfriends

03:50:03.400 at the same time that you're never going to get commitment they're just you're going to be in the

03:50:07.000 perpetual situationships you're going to jump from dick to dick to dick and here's the thing men will

03:50:11.480 gladly sleep like say a guy's a 10 right and i know you guys kind of object to these uh rank order

03:50:16.920 things but a guy who's a 10 will sleep with a girl who's a six he's never going to commit to her

03:50:22.840 but he'll keep her around for sex so as a woman it's very important to have a reasonable and accurate

03:50:29.480 self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness and your value in the dating marketplace otherwise

03:50:35.960 you're just gonna keep getting you're just gonna keep getting fucked by these dudes who have no

03:50:40.680 interest in long-term commitment meanwhile the guys who are actually on your level who are prepared to

03:50:45.960 give you monogamous relationships who will be dutiful and good boyfriends you don't actually even though

03:50:52.600 they're on your level they're on your whether it's socioeconomic status whether it's physical appearance

03:50:57.400 you're gonna curve the dudes who again on your level you'd think you're settling for them and if you

03:51:03.000 do end up with them you're gonna treat them like shit because you think you're settling you think

03:51:06.440 they're you're you're above them you think they're below you and that's the big thing i see in the

03:51:10.760 dating marketplace a lot of these chicks are chasing after these top tier dudes these top tier dudes just

03:51:15.880 want pussy they ain't ever gonna give you commitment and so if you're gassed up and think you're hot

03:51:20.360 shit but you're not here's the thing a guy will sleep with here's the difference between men and women

03:51:25.720 in order for women to sleep with a guy that guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough

03:51:31.720 for you to be in a relationship with him and women will project that onto men you'll think

03:51:36.200 well if he's sleeping with me he must can be considering me he must think i'm attractive

03:51:41.960 enough to be in a relationship but just on the physical attractiveness metric alone a guy will

03:51:47.240 sleep with you but just on that soul thing he'll keep you around for sex but he will never give you

03:51:52.600 commitment and that's a big difference so a dude who's really attractive he'll fuck a girl who's

03:51:57.160 less attractive than him but he'll never give her a relationship can i comment sure so i think when

03:52:04.120 it comes to feminism that's a point that i do put in your favor where it's very much a turn off when

03:52:08.840 it's like women are basically saying like oh i'm beautiful i'm the standard i'm a 10 but then when

03:52:13.160 they look at men where it's like they might be slightly balding they might be a little bit chubby

03:52:16.600 or whatever they then discard him and treat him like some sort of um parasite or whatever so on that

03:52:21.160 point it's like once again i harken back to the fact that you can't just value a man number one

03:52:27.640 for his physical appearance and also to have which brings me to my next point this society which

03:52:32.680 basically primes women to hate men basically every facet of society is designed to make us think

03:52:38.200 like for example guest on from beauty and the beast did you watch that one video where it's like

03:52:42.120 you know gaston is actually the good guy and that you know the beast was actually the bad guy because

03:52:45.800 the beast was like all of these emotional toxic i haven't seen it but i know i know beauty and the beast

03:52:50.520 yeah so gaston basically is the type of man which is strong bold he has he's proposing to bell he

03:52:55.480 wants to give her the world but he's considered the bad guy in the movie and this is something

03:52:58.680 little girls watch so it's like from the beginning of womanhood you're basically denigrating men in

03:53:03.400 every facet of academia mainstream media so when a woman sees a man with good qualities there's

03:53:08.680 something in her brain that automatically associates that person with villainous intent so that's a very

03:53:13.560 good point i just wanted to come back to what brian said because he actually said the most valid

03:53:17.800 thing that i've heard him say so far because what he's basically saying is that and it kind of shows

03:53:23.320 like i feel like it's kind of shown through this podcast a little bit lately um but if you're not

03:53:28.600 self-aware of how you're perceived to other people then you're going to get used right right now i feel

03:53:34.840 like that kind of leads into whichever one of you was saying you get rejected quite a bit miss girl

03:53:40.360 it's yeah it kind of ties into the fact that you think you're you're rejecting these men that are in your

03:53:46.680 league maybe because you think you deserve or are going to be something specific yeah in a higher

03:53:52.040 bracket when in all reality these men that are coming to you and you're rejecting those are the

03:53:57.240 type of men in that are if i can address that you mentioned you mentioned like out of someone's league

03:54:04.760 right yeah so here's the difference if a guy who's like in a lower league tries to shoot his shot

03:54:10.520 and like a more attractive woman she's not going to look at him and be like well i can get easy sex

03:54:17.400 from him no like it's an instant rejection whereas women get rejected on the back end you get rejected

03:54:23.560 after guys fucked you a couple times or just once so like you can't women can like try to get with like

03:54:32.600 we all want to get the best we can get right the difference is is men typically can't get anything they

03:54:39.960 can't get anything from a girl who's outside of his league but a girl can get sex from a guy who's

03:54:45.560 outside of her league and that's where women get into trouble and i don't like to i don't like to see

03:54:49.960 it i don't like to see women getting played and like getting used by like passed around by these dudes

03:54:54.920 and look i i do put some onus on men like i don't think dudes me personally i'm not interested in just

03:55:00.600 running through a bunch of chicks i much rather have a continuity with a girl if i want to sleep with

03:55:04.600 the girl i want to keep seeing her i'm not interested in a one night stand but like a lot of men

03:55:10.120 who are able to sleep with a lot of women don't move like that yeah so that makes a lot of sense

03:55:15.160 yeah so yeah and as somebody who is like related to one of the guys that you know uh praise upon

03:55:22.760 women like you um can i just say that having very low self-esteem and also have having way too high

03:55:30.600 self-esteem are like the two that go together can i just say that like you like if you hate yourself

03:55:37.960 like oh my gosh i don't care like i'll take whoever uh i just want to be loved you're also

03:55:43.480 gonna he like he's coming for you but if you're also like i'm the best person in the world i love

03:55:47.480 myself so much like you can't do anything to make me think otherwise he's also coming for you and

03:55:52.520 you're both gonna get mistreated so it's like and honestly i think when you have that higher

03:55:58.200 inflated ego it's even worse right because no man's gonna come in like like if you have a low

03:56:04.840 self-esteem look still because i mean we're talking about everything but also just the way that you

03:56:09.080 present yourself like just verbally saying oh my gosh like you know like uh i guess like having that

03:56:16.360 inflated ego okay yeah it's but i mean men like him are looking for you and that's what they look

03:56:23.640 for they look for low self-esteem or extremely high self-esteem because a lot of the times extremely high

03:56:29.320 self-esteem is just a big mask you know because you have very low self-esteem let's uh yeah switch gears

03:56:37.640 here um we have jeremiah jenkins for you to have a quirky and new response is fine it's when he asks

03:56:42.520 you a specific question and looking for your answer and you can't comprehend it it makes you unintelligent

03:56:47.640 not the question itself not sure who this is directed to jeremiah jenkins dude uh appreciate

03:56:53.000 this i think this is your first time chatting thank you man appreciate the patronage thank you for the

03:56:56.760 uh submitting the uh super chat man thanks uh all right we're caught up on all the chats we have

03:57:01.560 a bunch of pre-show notes here i want to try to get through uh you guys provided a ton of notes i will

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03:57:25.640 notes here uh and i do want to try to give everybody a chance uh okay we're we i think we got everything

03:57:32.680 there sorry guys i'm just getting this caught up we did we did stifler right um okay we did that uh

03:57:43.720 sorry guys one sec i'm getting my notes here

03:57:47.480 where do we go hold on guys sorry guys i have too many notes i actually i'm gonna bring it

03:57:54.920 now i'm gonna save it for later i'll save that for later okay we have angelica's grass uh you do

03:58:01.080 asmr videos that's cool you've dated an anarchist disenchanted catholic italian a republican baptist

03:58:06.760 atheist liberal communist nihilist 12 twice your age um women's strength and how's your name yeah what

03:58:14.520 is asmr it's like um have we been through this already it's like like that sort of like stones

03:58:19.400 in your ears basically it's like supposed to relax you or whatever oh like as in like the things that

03:58:24.120 people listen to when they go to bed yes okay let me actually ask this i want to just go around the

03:58:28.920 table on this starting with zombri zombri um does anybody here having have a dating something dating

03:58:35.720 related they'd like to get off their chest starting with you

03:58:38.600 whoa whoa whoa pull up that comment pull it back up i don't know can i go last i can't think of

03:58:48.360 anything sure anything dating related you want to get off your chest oh my goodness i've never talked

03:58:54.440 about dating and stuff like this for so long like this is such a conversation that like i don't even

03:59:00.200 try to be involved with anymore like straight up femso vibes for for right now like shoot

03:59:05.880 i think that the porn industry erodes intimacy and undermines interpersonal relationships in

03:59:14.200 every facet and i think that's a massive factor of modern dating yeah i agree with that even though

03:59:21.560 i do only fans but like i can't change the whole like you said you you do only fans but you agree with

03:59:29.880 that yes but like i can't destroy porn is still going to be made so you think that just because

03:59:34.840 something exists and it's if it's inherently negative then you have to be a part of it

03:59:38.840 i'm just trying to make enough money to my mom's not homeless in the street you have to do that

03:59:42.440 doing only fans though yes i mean what can i do i'm already in school like working 40 years a week

03:59:48.040 you don't make enough money to barely eat like what right right but like there are other ways that you

03:59:52.920 can make money besides only but like there are plenty plenty of other ways if there's one i'd like to

03:59:57.560 well how about this you can also sell drugs you can also become a hit man you can also get on the

04:00:03.640 silk road and start you know selling whatever you want there are many many different illegal ways to

04:00:08.040 make money but also if you want to work hard and if you want to apply yourself to something then you

04:00:12.760 can create a new skill yeah i'm in hair school right now and i want to be a hairstylist but like

04:00:17.720 that money won't come i won't see money come from that i understand the allure of the allure of quick

04:00:22.840 money but don't you think that there's some somewhere else that you could be putting your

04:00:26.040 talents you're clearly a clever girl you're you're working hard towards something yeah but i i don't

04:00:32.760 like i would speak into the mic sweetie if i made ten thousand dollars right now that could get my mom

04:00:37.560 an apartment for like is your is your mom not able to work she's mentally ill sorry yeah yeah and so do you

04:00:46.280 don't think that there's anything else that you can do others other otherwise than only fans though

04:00:49.400 the crypto is about to have a pump you could learn learn an online skill start up a business of

04:00:54.040 some sort what money are you going to start a business learning my learning abilities on like

04:01:00.280 hair and cosmetology right now why don't you give haircuts to your friends and like the community and

04:01:06.200 like you know girl that will not be enough this is the only way to make my school your mom's currently

04:01:13.480 home lower levels it's okay wait on a on a real note this is not quick money only fans no you have

04:01:19.160 to wait like three to five business days for it to go into like like a pending amount and then three

04:01:24.200 to five more business days for it to go in an actual amount and then like another week or two for it to

04:01:29.240 actually go in your bank account so it's not quick can i say something like it's it's it's so much more

04:01:35.240 than the money and you actually literally just pointed that out it's so much more than the money

04:01:39.480 what do you mean it's all about the money it's not about the money no because a lot of girls don't

04:01:43.560 even make like like you're making millions of dollars okay then it might be worth it right

04:01:47.800 but that's like one percent the average woman on only fans makes 108 a month that's exactly what

04:01:52.840 so it's not about the money not in the top two percent not the top three the average user of only

04:01:57.880 fans makes less than a hundred dollars around a hundred dollars thank you it's not about the money

04:02:02.440 what they're talking about is the morals okay the morals can we talk about that sidebar

04:02:07.560 conversations stop with the sidebar conversations one person talk at a time yeah so um i think like

04:02:12.920 did would your mom do you think if if you told her what you would have you told her what you're doing

04:02:18.280 she's she's cool with it yeah i guess yeah she's hard to have a conversation with her yeah yeah i see

04:02:26.040 what you're saying and i do see the allure of it but like i just i can't see a like i can't fathom

04:02:32.200 myself the the wanting to do that in terms of like the futurey percussions of it because now

04:02:37.480 when you're young you don't see you don't see how it's going to affect you in the future and making

04:02:41.160 money now compared to what you could be doing and the limitation that it could put on you

04:02:46.680 if you're looking at like getting married one day and having a family and and attracting

04:02:50.840 they're not willing to accept me for what i've done then they can't there's the nowhere okay well you can

04:02:55.320 have that attitude but then you'll you'll probably be like whoever would be except me like with that

04:02:59.720 attitude you'll probably you'll probably be broken lonely a whole lot you know there's there's no i'd

04:03:03.960 rather be broken lonely there's hella moms on only fans so i mean it's not impossible but i would

04:03:09.480 also say like in the case of your mother it's like you unfortunately we just have the moms that we have

04:03:13.880 that's just the case but would you think that if you know when you decide to have children would

04:03:18.280 you want to like basically show a healthier example someone who has like more of a principled and when i

04:03:23.240 say principled i don't mean that you don't have any principles i mean that you demonstrate by

04:03:27.080 action those principles the things that you value for you hold on let's look oftentimes and on the

04:03:34.520 podcast we get we linger a little too long on porn bad i don't want to really linger too long on it

04:03:40.280 i mean uh kayla i i mean i do want to at least commend you that you know it's while i perhaps may

04:03:47.320 have disagreements when it comes to uh the specific thing that you're doing i mean you i think you have

04:03:53.240 there's a bit of a noble cause there in terms that you want to uh support your mom and i certainly

04:03:58.040 hope that uh you know whether it's one way or the other you know you're able to uh find a way to uh

04:04:04.520 get her helped out whether it comes to housing or whatever it may be so um and i imagine that's

04:04:10.840 probably uh certainly i mean at 21 that must be a difficult thing to be dealing with a mother who's

04:04:16.360 dealing with some mental health issues and she's homeless i imagine that's uh not something that's uh

04:04:22.600 easy so i wish you godspeed on that but i don't want to linger too long on you know because we do

04:04:26.920 tend to linger a bit too long on well porn bad and then we just get into debates about that so um

04:04:32.360 what i do want to touch on is uh okay uh where was i um i wanted to come

04:04:41.560 yeah we'll go around the table on this do you guys think you can be sexist against men

04:04:45.240 men starting with zombree define that question can you be sexist against men i don't think so i

04:04:55.160 feel like i treat everything like equal like between men towards who and what now yeah you're

04:05:00.920 quiet so you gotta really speak into like i think he was asking objectively not personally like if

04:05:06.200 people in general like yeah can can you you know you often hear for example does sexism towards men

04:05:11.160 exist can you be sexist yeah okay should i double should i double down on this question can you be

04:05:16.360 racist against white people that's another let that let's double down on that so why don't you answer

04:05:21.400 both really fishing um i don't think so

04:05:29.640 well before we have anyone we'll allow everyone on the panel to answer this question what about what

04:05:34.760 do you think i don't think you can be sexist towards men and i don't think you can be racist towards

04:05:39.000 white people i think i think that prejudice knows no color or any kind of bounds you can be awful to

04:05:47.720 anybody for any reason and it sucks okay kayla i agree with her with with who um meow

04:05:58.040 okay all right i wasn't sure if you're pointing to our center okay les what about you i genuinely think

04:06:04.040 you can be sexist towards men and definitely racist towards white people okay both of those things

04:06:09.240 definitely exist yeah what about you back there uh yeah i think the same okay i agree for both bro way

04:06:17.320 too many people sexist towards men and all right yeah you can be racist to white people i can't say the

04:06:23.640 a word but other people can that's segregation of words okay no one okay roll it back

04:06:30.760 roll it that's crazy what did she say what did she say repeat she wants permission to no i have

04:06:41.400 the past from my friend it's always the widest okay but you definitely don't have the past in front of

04:06:48.520 me so are you are you uh part black full yeah yeah i'm half african half european okay gotcha i'm sorry

04:06:57.320 so she says you don't have the past how do you feel about that no but the tears is that i don't have

04:07:03.320 it oh you don't have it so her abusive ex used to call me that so the the n-word that well i don't

04:07:09.560 encourage i'm good off of i i don't encourage people that's not using the n-word no uh so uh

04:07:17.640 i feel like i know you can be sexist towards men because i'm the i'm that bitch that's always like

04:07:24.760 no that's a man's job i ain't doing that i'm not doing that well here's the kicker when it came to

04:07:30.360 the ex calling you that word did your ex call you the n-word yes did he really yes yes still

04:07:39.240 does you're a little pale i think for that to have made sense but okay uh yeah you could absolutely be

04:07:47.800 sexist towards men um and yes you could absolutely be racist towards white people and anybody who

04:07:54.280 disagrees with me i very much ask you to challenge me i'm confused like can i get an example yeah as

04:08:00.920 a victim of physical racial violence yeah i asked you yeah somebody yeah i used to get beat up every

04:08:07.240 single day for no reason because i was that sounds because i was white cap uh okay that literally makes

04:08:13.160 no okay you can thank you for that wait hold on a second question you cannot you cannot call you

04:08:18.120 cannot call somebody else's personal experience that's just rude yeah hold on question question

04:08:22.840 arson arson i got a scenario for you arson are you are you half white half asian is that yeah okay

04:08:32.600 let's say a group of asian people found a white dude and they just started beating the

04:08:42.200 out of him and they started calling him the c-word yeah while they were doing it wait would that be

04:08:47.800 would that maybe be racially motivated i mean maybe but like historically they probably deserve

04:08:54.040 it like i don't know are you joking if you're gonna say that i don't feel like no harm when i say this

04:09:01.640 i was but if you were going to say that about white people you have to go ahead and flip that coin and be

04:09:06.680 able to say it about the other races as well what did they do okay kayla are you tight yeah she's gonna

04:09:15.720 have to run when we go outside so do you think a 12 year old deserves to be beat up because they're

04:09:20.920 white because of racial if it's a child heck no rice but you think anyone or even an adult like because

04:09:27.720 they're white ancestry no one gets to deserves to be beat up period but i like don't get really mad

04:09:33.400 if i were to see that you know if i saw the other one like that would decide like mad and that's the

04:09:37.480 a wild take that's an absolutely that's the exact reason i didn't get help she's got some hot takes

04:09:41.880 tonight holy like honey you're the problem arson get some help what about it

04:09:52.440 stop with the side conversations um how have you arrived at that conclusion um

04:09:59.160 that's a good question i don't know just hearing like all the stories about like all this messed up

04:10:03.720 stuff they did in the past like i'm not even black but i have a grudge against them well wait but

04:10:07.640 you're part white can you're part white can i just can i just take and can we go down this path

04:10:14.040 what what stories are you referring to in particular i don't know just learning stuff in history like

04:10:19.000 are you referring to hold on a second can i just can we just exactly what are you are you referring to

04:10:24.040 slavery yeah and just like the treatment of them over time since then like all the discrimination

04:10:28.840 do you think that uh white people were the only ones who engaged in slavery probably not it's

04:10:34.280 probably around the world too do you think that maybe the fact that you don't know that everybody

04:10:39.080 engaged in slavery is part of the reason why you think the way that you do about this um

04:10:46.280 i don't know i know i don't think it has to do with my world views i think it has to do with

04:10:50.040 the insecurity of myself i don't like the white part of me so i kind of project that onto others

04:10:54.440 probably thank you right okay well that's well that's that's a pretty that's a pretty self-aware

04:10:58.600 thing to say but like just in terms of your like knowledge how do you think that like the uh at the

04:11:04.920 the transatlantic slave trade how do you think they went about getting slaves like what do you think the

04:11:08.760 process was didn't they go like that's that's part of america right they like went into africa and

04:11:15.560 stolen from our homes yeah so you think that they just went to africa and then like rounded them all

04:11:19.800 up and like caught them put them in sacks and then that's that's pretty much what i

04:11:23.400 the gist of what i got yeah so the reality of it is and like it's not your fault for not knowing this

04:11:29.000 education system is so flawed that the africans who were sold in the slave trade was sold by other

04:11:35.000 africans so there were slave markets in africa where they would capture their own people then

04:11:39.080 sell them off overseas and there was also the barbary slave trade as well which was um like arabic

04:11:44.520 barbary pirates who would capture white europeans and enslave them too and there was like over a

04:11:49.560 million white europeans that were enslaved during the barbary slave trade and the arabics were ones

04:11:55.240 were particularly brutal because they used to castrate them in and then if they if they were

04:11:59.400 ever to be caught by like another ship they would chuck them all overboard slit their throats and chuck

04:12:03.560 them overboard so slavery happened around the world everywhere so wait are you trying to like say that

04:12:09.720 like white people were slaves too yeah white people were also slaves that's where the term slave comes

04:12:14.120 from is the slavic region exactly eastern europeans are so oppressed even within i don't know but i

04:12:17.960 didn't see them oppressed over here that much like didn't i don't know in history i don't i don't see

04:12:23.960 books talking about the oppression of white people yeah that's why do you think that is why do you think

04:12:28.760 that is because schools push it why do they leave out white people being a victim of slavery in history

04:12:36.120 i feel like we only learned like u.s history mostly like that's what i learned there was also racism

04:12:41.800 against white people throughout the country as well the italians faced persecution every iteration of

04:12:46.040 a new immigrant face yeah irish the holocaust you know how people make fun of the south you know how

04:12:50.680 people make fun of that accent or whatever that's a scottish accent it comes from the apple they settled

04:12:54.360 in the appalachian regions the hillbilly terms comes from the billy boys you read your thomas

04:12:57.880 soul hay i haven't no no okay so i'm like there has been racism basically it's tribalism basically like

04:13:04.360 everyone basically says this is my tribe i'm against that one this is my tribe i'm against that one

04:13:08.600 the most evident and also the most culturally obvious one is between white and black people

04:13:13.480 but it's like what is your definition of whiteness which is always contested and also when it comes

04:13:17.640 to blackness what constitutes blackness which is another contested question because white comes

04:13:21.880 from a long line of like the irish and all that and like she said before the word slave comes from

04:13:27.320 the slavic people so i'd also like to clarify a question with you so you basically said that you

04:13:33.640 think that there is sexism against men yes i what would you define as an example of sexism

04:13:39.080 against men like when a man is like oh go make me a sandwich yes and i'm like all right you know

04:13:45.000 what go dig that hole outside like i feel like that's very much sexist i would reverse that i would

04:13:51.400 say so i would say sexism against men i would say sexism against men is truly defined by denigrating

04:13:56.680 healthy masculinity and expecting them not to do those sort of things i think if you expect a man to be in

04:14:01.000 as feminine to be like oh be more emotionally expressive they naturally don't go in that

04:14:05.880 direction women are more like psychologically internal so we need that venting that sometimes

04:14:10.680 men have to kind of basically maneuver and i think that's truly the definition of sexism is to denigrate

04:14:16.040 the patriarchy denigrate masculinity and to be sexist is to basically say submit yourself to me let me take

04:14:22.120 care of you let me coddle you at that point you're basically i mean neutering honestly even even in this

04:14:27.400 generation i feel like it's becoming more of that where these men are expecting or they're like

04:14:31.960 lacking the sassy man yeah yeah they're like lacking something to her like oh they're now the females of

04:14:37.560 this generation the women were raised by independent females and they're like the men who do you think is

04:14:42.760 in part in a grand step playing for that like who do you think is contributing to that largely what do

04:14:49.080 you mean like males a lot of the rhetoric that you hear from women is basically like oh you know that

04:14:54.680 woman expects too much i'm going to be able to take care of him i'm going to provide him x y or z but

04:14:58.600 when it no 100 when it comes to the practical application of it as we kind of see sometimes

04:15:03.960 when you give a man so much that's not healthy for him it's not nurturing it's not peace it's not

04:15:09.080 something that you're from your natural femininity it's basically like you're taking yourself for

04:15:14.680 granted you're taking your own virtues for whatever you're letting him take advantage of you basically

04:15:19.720 but it's also like i don't know i kind of lost the stream of thought but it's it's pointless it's

04:15:24.280 useless like it's basically trying to live up to a man's role which it just doesn't naturally play

04:15:29.960 out that way yeah there's something to be said about the fact that if you say to a woman make

04:15:34.840 me a sandwich that's meant to be derogatory but if you say to a man do the do like mow the lawn he's

04:15:40.440 like okay you're right right it's my it's my right i don't know i just have never i just never seen

04:15:46.360 sexism in my personal life so i just like i don't even know what you're talking about really like

04:15:50.520 you know what i'm saying mental health do you guys labor do you guys think that the fact that

04:15:56.760 men get treated more harshly in the court of law is sexist yes i don't think it's sexist no i think

04:16:03.240 that as we've discussed with psychopathy basically like when a woman demonstrates psychopathy because

04:16:07.640 of her physical disadvantages she can only go so far when a man demonstrates psychopathy he can brutalize

04:16:13.800 someone basically so i'm like in that respect i still think that there is supposed to be that gender

04:16:18.840 binary so you think that if a woman puts a gun to somebody's head and pulls the trigger man does

04:16:24.040 the exact same thing they should be treated differently i think they should be treated

04:16:27.560 exactly the same in that respect it's the same crime but men tend to be more prone to that type

04:16:32.040 of so if if they do it if they do it to a to a like a more extreme extent then i would agree they

04:16:36.360 get treated differently yes but for the same crime women get lesser sentences i'd say it's because

04:16:41.720 we're still trying to deprogram or deconstruct unfortunately that binary because women when they

04:16:46.680 committed a murder back in the 1800s they weren't even like barely prosecuted basically for it we

04:16:51.000 were seen as being the docile sex we were seen as being politically neutral when we didn't vote we

04:16:55.160 were seen as being like the weaker vessel and society took care of us and they basically took that into

04:16:59.240 account nowadays we're they're still trying to deprogram that they're still trying to so so do you do but

04:17:05.320 like would you disagree with just like the no like other circumstances that crime happening would you

04:17:12.840 think that's sexist that a man gets a worse punishment in terms of the prison system yeah

04:17:18.280 it's definitely sex well i mean there's actually a case that's kind of recently related to us and i

04:17:22.280 forgot if we had brought this up in the previous show there was recently a woman who

04:17:27.240 murt stabbed her boyfriend to death like over a hunt she stabbed him a hundred times in a weed induced

04:17:33.800 psychosis oh yeah and she got off on a hundred she murdered someone manslaughter um she got she got

04:17:42.840 a hundred hours of community service zero time in prison zero time in jail uh she got probation for

04:17:50.040 two or three years and got a hundred hours of community service for killing somebody imagine if

04:17:55.320 we did that and then we just went after a man because i got high if you were if you were to reverse the

04:18:00.200 genders same circumstances oh my god he was a in a weed induced psychosis yeah bro that dude's doing

04:18:07.240 years in prison i think the reason i push back on this one is mostly what is the end objective then do

04:18:13.800 you want men and women to be socially basically punished at the same level or absolutely yeah pause or do

04:18:19.800 you want men to continue being full of their agency and to basically say women don't have this level

04:18:25.400 of agency they're going to be basically put back into their quote-unquote place i think there are

04:18:30.760 certain there are certain like examples of things where if you take another human life no yes then

04:18:35.960 it's like that then in in any any circumstance that is something that is worthy of a very severe

04:18:41.160 punishment no gypsy rose necessarily she should have never went to jail i mean i mean if you wait i'm not

04:18:46.440 familiar i heard of her what was yeah can can somebody give us like a 10 second recap so pretty

04:18:52.200 much her mom kept her like secluded her whole life put her in a wheelchair like made up to her and all

04:18:57.720 these doctors saying she had all these diseases as she was sick she'd never be able to walk do this

04:19:01.880 that and the third turns out gypsy rose was like finding out she can walk she didn't have all these

04:19:08.040 sicknesses her mom was just keeping her pretty much hostage so she killed her mom her and her boyfriend

04:19:13.800 at the time yeah her mom would like physically abuse her drug her and force her to be pretend

04:19:20.200 she's paralyzed her whole life see i think that there's probably some sort of a moral justification

04:19:24.760 for what they did then i also think that people who do bad things to children it's there's a moral

04:19:29.320 justification to kill them or at least you know but i mean i'm not familiar with the case but i i'm

04:19:35.720 assuming that these alleged abuses were provable like yeah yeah it was i mean i don't know i don't

04:19:43.640 know the court story but again like i agree with all of these points but i also ultimately say that a

04:19:49.720 point in feminist literature is to make equality so much so that women are also drafted into a military

04:19:55.240 conscription they want to reach this point where we do it to the front lines and then get half of the

04:20:02.600 front lines mode down bro it's like that's more like you're putting those women who can't

04:20:08.600 physically physically equals equal the the consequence of that is the consequence of that is

04:20:14.840 if you don't like modern women clamoring for equality this is this is all it takes

04:20:21.240 it doesn't take strength i see what i see what you mean but like those are different like for

04:20:25.480 example women being drafted the reason why that women don't get drafted and shouldn't get drafted

04:20:29.720 is because they're physically in superior in superior to men or they're physically inferior

04:20:33.480 to men and that's why true yes make better warriors but i i completely agree but once again

04:20:38.200 feminism does not account for reality it wants us to be legally politically in every virtue in every

04:20:43.080 way the same but you've got some you've got some of them at the moment but then there's still all

04:20:47.640 of this like these feminists fighting for equality in every single regard except for going on the oil

04:20:52.680 rigs and except for driving the ice road trucks which is essentially your point and i do agree with you

04:20:56.760 but with the specific case of murder i think that if you kill someone and you do murder in the first

04:21:01.880 degree you you deserve a very severe punishment because i don't see that i don't see the difference

04:21:05.800 unless you want to say that women are not as in control of their faculties which i haven't seen

04:21:09.080 the literature on i do i do agree that yes if someone kills someone it doesn't matter what sex they

04:21:13.960 are they should receive the same punishment but i do think that there's a reason why men and women

04:21:18.440 have always been treated differently in society and it's to reinforce the fact that there's i agree with

04:21:23.240 that i agree with you but just in terms of murder it's a bit different and i mean you also you also

04:21:27.640 made the argument that there's like a cohort of feminists out there that are trying to equalize the

04:21:32.040 draft i mean i just don't see any evidence for that really i don't think there's a large swath of women

04:21:38.120 or feminists who are trying to get equalization in the draft and i mean you feminists and women have had

04:21:45.560 over a hundred years to make that an equal thing so really the when it comes to feminism you're saying

04:21:53.080 well there's this there's this cohort of feminists who who want equality in all realms i actually

04:21:57.560 disagree feminism is purely at its in the most generous sense of how i define feminism it's a

04:22:05.080 woman's advocacy movement and it goes against women's advocacy to advocate for the equalization of the

04:22:11.720 the draft because nobody wants to be drafted however the reality is men are the only ones that are

04:22:17.320 subject to military conscription so what feminism is is it's purely again in its most generous sense

04:22:23.560 i think feminism is much more nasty than how i'm defining it in the best most good good light

04:22:29.400 way i can frame it feminism is women's advocacy but here's the difference if feminism is not a fight

04:22:36.280 for equality because if some sort of some version of equality comes to the detriment of women and not

04:22:44.600 their benefit said feminists will not fight for said equality if you don't stand to benefit in some way

04:22:51.960 by the introduction of some type of equality aka uh the the equalization of military conscription in

04:22:58.440 the draft feminists aren't going to fight for it even though that is the supposed and alleged

04:23:03.240 mission statement of feminism so are you familiar with phyllis schlafly yes phyllis lafly uh not really

04:23:09.560 no so she was trying to or not she but rather the feminists of the 70s were trying to propose the

04:23:13.480 equal rights amendment which would make military conscription necessary for women years later that

04:23:18.120 being said no no it's not there yet the mind feminism has always been for a minority of women the

04:23:23.000 majority of women have always resisted it to the social conditioning that they received so for

04:23:27.160 example what we see nowadays is women rejecting the idea of like redefining gender redefining sex but

04:23:32.360 unfortunately what the establishment pushes is for that minority of women's voices because it will

04:23:36.440 fractalize society to a point where we're more we're all more controllable but feminism has always

04:23:40.680 been something that every single generation has opposed so during the equal rights amendments they

04:23:45.160 basically pose that women and men should be exactly the same i would say that i get has feminism been

04:23:50.680 opposed yeah over the last 20 years or so the anti-suffragette movement has always there's always been

04:23:55.400 but look but look over the last 20 years feminism is the culture feminism is the mainstream feminism

04:24:01.400 has its claws in every system and every institution in this country if you can if you look at the higher

04:24:07.480 education system if you look at corporations if you look at governments if you look at media if you

04:24:11.480 look at news if you look at journalism these are very like feminist influence institutions and systems

04:24:18.440 and also like the podcast that we're on right now is a perfect example of it and all of the other

04:24:22.440 podcasts that have been sort of in the more manosphere red pill space they get demonized to no end

04:24:27.400 because finally some people are actually talking to men in the modern world and these podcasts get

04:24:32.040 called toxic masculinity and you guys hate women and all that when really it's just a bunch of men

04:24:36.440 getting together to try and figure out how to sort of navigate the modern dating world and then you get

04:24:41.560 these podcasts where we come and speak to you guys and we might call you delusional at times etc but yeah

04:24:46.280 so this these podcasts are a perfect example of the way that if you dare to question feminism in the

04:24:50.360 the modern world you will get dragged from pillar to post i completely agree on the same major the

04:24:55.720 same thing happens to women where if you question feminism you're considered anti-woman that's always

04:24:59.640 been the rhetoric the tactic that they've used since the dawn of time and every iteration of feminism

04:25:03.720 that we're acquainted with is the one that came from the generation before that established it as

04:25:07.800 the mode of academia of psychiatry of media of x y or z so that's why it's like in every generation you

04:25:13.880 basically have to look back to the paleoconservative era where that was the dominant culture

04:25:17.720 and think okay well if they reflect the same mindset that we have nowadays where we're resisting the

04:25:22.440 new but wanting to with basically retain the old or yeah basically retain the old and we have some

04:25:26.520 criticisms of what's currently going oh excuse me what's currently going on then maybe then our

04:25:32.520 quote-unquote progress should basically be a return to tradition here let's um i agree with that 100

04:25:38.360 to bring it back to arson here arson i think this all got started because we were asking can you be

04:25:43.400 for a second can you be racist against white people can you be sexist against men if i recall you said

04:25:47.720 no to both correct yeah i just haven't seen it i don't know in my personal life so like i don't know i

04:25:54.920 feel like maybe if i just can see what you're talking about can i ask you a question so do you

04:26:00.600 think for example with the george floyd situation right um do you think that george floyd's killing

04:26:07.800 was evidence of racism towards him yeah for sure well i mean is it was it more like almost a general

04:26:17.480 societal okay yeah racism against societal influences can i add something to that i was there when it

04:26:23.960 happened he tried to stab a woman in the stomach and kill her and she was with child he was also on

04:26:28.200 drugs i thought it was a gun okay but that that that doesn't affect the fact that they already had him

04:26:33.960 down on the ground like he wasn't in the middle of stabbing him what are they supposed to do after

04:26:39.080 he just stabbed a woman he was already in cuffs laying on the ground are they not supposed to

04:26:43.560 detain him are you are you trying to argue it's valid that they killed george floyd hold on hold on

04:26:47.720 hold on hold on that's what it sounds like can i just that's really what you're arguing can i

04:26:51.320 elucidate what they said okay please don't yell at my friend again hold on a second so so they're

04:26:54.440 saying that that was you're saying it was a separate incident yeah wait i gotta play it wait wait hold

04:26:58.280 hold on hold on i gotta play one thing hold on okay keep going um sorry you guys were going at

04:27:06.040 each other so so so she's saying that it's a different it's a different incident at a different

04:27:10.600 time when he did that to that lady so it's kind of more of a reflection of his character but on the day

04:27:15.400 um he was also very high on fentanyl and it's come out in the uh in the post in the coroner report

04:27:20.920 that he was actually didn't really die from asphyxiation no the placement of the knee was based off of an

04:27:26.520 israeli defense tactic or technique that they would do but it was towards the lower part of his

04:27:30.520 neck so it couldn't have basically constricted his air pipes i'm not really trying to get into a

04:27:35.160 debate about the death there does seem to be some some dispute over over that but well let me let me

04:27:42.200 make my point so but it sounded to me like you said that that was evidence of some sort of uh sexism or

04:27:48.280 sorry excuse me not sexism uh racism you know the the police perhaps are racist against black people

04:27:53.880 and i mean after the death of george floyd there was a widespread like anti-racist movement typically

04:27:59.960 you know black lives matter for example um would you agree i agree that cops suck like i don't know

04:28:08.600 like okay i will have a question on that but but so now if if that is evidence of racism towards black

04:28:16.600 people the discrepancy between for for example and there's some dispute about the statistics statistics on

04:28:22.600 this the discrepancy between for example they say that and again i've heard some conflicting uh

04:28:28.920 arguments on this that the that black men or black people are more likely to be uh victims of police

04:28:36.600 brutality police misconduct police killings for example and that's evidence of uh racism now when it

04:28:44.680 comes to could we make the argument that because for example white men are killed more frequently than

04:28:52.280 women of any race combined would that be since you've agreed that they probably have a reason

04:29:00.040 a good reason for being dead then so you're gonna say that there's a good reason for a white person to

04:29:06.360 be dead over a good reason for a white or a black person to be dead no i didn't say they're better but

04:29:11.560 i'm just i'm saying like okay i'm generally saying there's a good reason you know obviously good people

04:29:16.280 died also but like if you're trying trying to talk about statistics like there's probably you know

04:29:22.200 i don't know nothing about statistics well let's talk about statistics uh you know right um we're

04:29:28.600 talking about a very small fraction of the population we're talking like 18 of the population is black they

04:29:36.520 make up over half well let's not go there but i think it was the original question that is relevant

04:29:43.800 that is very relevant not the views expressed can we not go down a spiral by the other panelists do

04:29:49.400 not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast um okay wait so i'm it's not sure if you're

04:29:56.680 going to engage with me on that so i'll change the topic going around the table would you date i'm

04:30:00.760 where's the zombie zombie i need your input zombie is she in the bathroom she's being okay

04:30:07.400 i wanted to ask a question um do you think that you're like like the algorithm on your social media

04:30:12.920 is probably like a reason as to why you say you've never seen these other scenarios before i try not to

04:30:20.280 go on my phone that much like i i really only go like i don't be on my phone like doom scrolling

04:30:26.520 anymore i definitely used to when i was like bored a lot but all right my instagram shows me memes and

04:30:32.440 like funny cats so but you saw like blm you saw like all the riots and stuff like that oh yeah yeah

04:30:38.200 so you saw that but you didn't see that you never see wait i'm confused how this is racist towards

04:30:42.440 right people all you're telling me is all this stuff no i'm just like all the stuff that i think

04:30:46.040 that it's actually like this is a very mainstream sort of point of view if you if you're apolitical you

04:30:50.680 don't really focus too much on politics you don't really look look into it too much and if you don't

04:30:54.760 really care about it too much yeah no but this is what i'm saying though if you if you don't really

04:30:58.520 look into it too much then this will be because this is this dominant societal narrative yeah which

04:31:03.400 is unfortunate but um yeah so the question is zombie going around the table would you date a police

04:31:08.040 officer probably not why is that are you able to scoot into the table in this way a little bit but uh why

04:31:17.720 is that actually i don't know maybe if he was like cool with like adjustable and stuff i don't know

04:31:24.680 all right definitely not definitely not why is that

04:31:30.680 i feel like they'd be scary like girl i'm gonna get caught no i'm just kidding

04:31:36.920 get caught get caught doing what i don't know they just scare me they just scare me in general like

04:31:41.720 okay i was just anytime i've like interacted with a cop they've been so mean and so rude so i wouldn't

04:31:47.400 they probably all get anger issues and i just here we'll come back to that but i'll let everybody

04:31:51.320 answer the question would you date police officer um i would okay no no any any reason i'm pretty sure

04:32:00.920 like statistically that they are like more they're more domestic violence issues with like cops okay

04:32:07.480 yeah i i also would not date a fed would not date a fed okay what about you no um probably not but

04:32:19.240 again i'm wouldn't take the fed subject to change i'm a i'm a person who gets to know people so like

04:32:25.480 probably not but okay you know what about you back there i wouldn't because my dad was a former cop

04:32:31.240 and i saw how that affected him she's a plant she's a plant it means that you've been put here by

04:32:37.320 the cia to spy on us back there i see you what about you yeah i would okay i would um for the

04:32:45.640 same reason i i would have some hesitation because of the 40 dv stuff okay can i actually say my only

04:32:52.280 like reservation as the one who said like i would my biggest reservation would be the same reason why

04:32:56.680 having a military spouse would be very difficult would be the high mortality rate and possibility

04:33:00.360 and so especially depending on if it's the two of us you know together i feel a lot more reasonable

04:33:04.920 okay you're taking that risk and i'm the only one at fault if we have children and you're putting

04:33:08.760 your life on the line every day intentionally that's a big conversation to have it's a good

04:33:12.600 it's a stressful job you know um going back to you arson uh you seem very passionate about this one

04:33:24.760 you just you it sounds like you just don't like you were gonna ask me a question you just don't

04:33:28.280 like police officers you just don't generally like wait here's let me ask you a question go ahead

04:33:35.080 go ahead i've seen i've seen cops but i had the swat team called on me one time what did you do

04:33:41.400 we were literally just playing with fake guns um like like filming like a video we were pretending to

04:33:46.920 be spies and like the whole like swat gets called on us because we were like on top of a parking garage

04:33:52.200 and they were so mean like oh my god like we were like a bunch of like like girls dressed in like

04:33:59.960 tiny like freaking like crop tops and like tall platforms we're obviously not doing anything wrong

04:34:06.600 yeah and i don't know they were just like telling us to get on the ground and like like all the scary

04:34:11.880 stuff aiming the big aks at us and like there was like three cars and i was just like have you ever

04:34:18.120 thought about starting a podcast story time you know what we should be so good we should sign arson

04:34:24.600 please do you've got talent to the whatever it's gonna be arson girl uh zombri kayla we're just you

04:34:33.240 guys and you're yeah arson and you're just laughing in the background okay kale is like perfect

04:34:41.000 all right it's in the works we'll draft up the contracts we'll get them to you uh here soon um

04:34:46.040 um so okay you got the swat team came but you don't you would not

04:34:52.360 what if he was all blasted in tats and he listened to my chemical romance cool if he was cool like you

04:34:57.400 guys look sick like you know i'm gonna let you off but you know the typical cop they took all of our

04:35:02.200 stuff oh like i don't know they're just so rude and then there's been like another time where my

04:35:06.680 my boyfriend my ex-boyfriend like got arrested and stuff because they thought he was like he thought

04:35:12.120 he was this guy who like got in a shooting down the like the block over down the block and so

04:35:16.520 like literally they manhandled him they were like knocking on our door saying they're gonna break down

04:35:20.440 our door and um like it was just a whole thing they stole his phone they put him in the cop car

04:35:26.120 like it was like a whole thing he literally didn't do anything so i just literally did nothing yes

04:35:30.600 literally how could they do that because he looked like the suspect which was crazy because he was

04:35:36.520 he had bright purple hair mistaken and he was wearing a rainbow hoodie like i was like how many

04:35:43.080 motherfuckers got like purple hair but yeah so just like you know interactions i've had personally i

04:35:52.920 just don't like them do you think do you think though like aside from not wanting to date them do you

04:35:57.560 think like we need police officers probably there's probably situations where you need them all right

04:36:04.360 there we go but not dating them there we go some situations okay all right um good to know good

04:36:11.480 to know okay let me try to get through everybody's notes here we did have a chat come in let me read

04:36:14.760 that really quick we have pepe sylvia hey brian can you please give the people what they want and

04:36:20.360 ask dog girl to explain what a woman is oh okay well why don't we go around the table and have everybody

04:36:26.280 oh god that's such an intricate question it's really not starting with you're setting us up for

04:36:32.040 starting with starting with the home girl zombie

04:36:39.400 what is a woman i guess a woman is like someone that should be like independent and take care of

04:36:46.040 themselves and i don't know that was a very wholesome answer okay um arson what about you women are awesome

04:36:55.640 we're fairies we know magic we're witches we're just like these mystical mythical creatures that run

04:37:03.000 the world and just just liberate the world and dominate it as well yes a woman is a biological

04:37:10.280 human female it's very simple see meow is based sometimes i think look i have fun you know i have

04:37:18.120 surprises i'm sorry we fought before let's not fight again i think people just assume based on

04:37:23.800 the way you look that you're gonna have i'm the same way well i think you're i think the thing is

04:37:27.640 is you're like temperamentally a disagreeable person and that uh agreeability it's i'm not

04:37:33.560 that's not like an insulting thing agreeability is one of the big five personality traits and i

04:37:37.720 think you're probably uh you strike me i mean look granted you've been invited to a show to share

04:37:43.080 your opinions and whatnot but uh you're probably i mean correct me if i'm wrong you're striking as a

04:37:48.440 very disagreeable person carmen would you say knowing me in my personal life that i'm a disagreeable

04:37:52.600 person not really are you guys friends okay you guys look like unlikely friends why we're best

04:37:58.280 friends i don't know why are we did you say why are you friends no i don't see the not being friends

04:38:05.160 thing really i thought i didn't i just wouldn't have picked i mean it's just physical i mean like

04:38:09.240 eccentric they're both exactly exactly kind of pale of course they're friends i mean i'm pale too

04:38:15.800 i'm pale yeah i think a lot of it is your facial expressions i would have thought you guys would

04:38:21.080 be friends yeah what about them like when you're talking to people you're like you're very expressive

04:38:25.640 oh yeah yeah i think you have rbf what's it called you also have acting well i'm a female dog so you

04:38:31.960 yeah acting bitch face too okay um good talk uh what's a what is a woman um whatever you want

04:38:43.880 it to be no come on she's like trying so hard not to get canceled like biological like what you're born

04:38:52.520 with and then also if like after like 20 years you think you're a female then i think you can have the

04:39:00.680 the right to call yourself female so like you can become a woman yeah well you said female

04:39:07.320 female woman like that's very females like sex that's very woman you can't become a nobody can

04:39:12.280 become a female there's some debate over whether you can become a woman though okay womanhood as a

04:39:18.360 cultural like social norm and transition versus biological well it depends i mean i mean i'm like

04:39:23.160 sort of just arguing the other side of this and you know there's gender and then there's sex nobody

04:39:27.640 can become like when we're talking about sex we're talking about male female gender woman man

04:39:34.040 i don't know how much i buy into that but um

04:39:38.680 good talk okay what about what about you les i think a woman is definitely like how she portrays

04:39:45.960 herself how she carries herself i don't really think i don't know i think it really is just

04:39:51.800 yeah how you carry yourself so you carry yourself okay all right what the hell what about you oh

04:39:57.400 please um i agree with them like for the one for the longest time okay you know what i'm trying to

04:40:05.240 like not say something wrong stop but definitely biologically female just because i think there's

04:40:11.640 too many issues that are just occurring with can i have you just scoot your mic oh yeah uh this yeah

04:40:15.960 perfect okay so definitely being biologically female at birth um only because i just feel like there's way

04:40:20.840 too many issues currently that just outweigh the fact of like somebody trying to be heard i'm sorry

04:40:26.520 y'all but like protecting the kids like you know protecting like women in general like i stand on

04:40:32.440 that easy what about you uh yeah i think a woman is something like biolog biological but also you could

04:40:42.120 what about homebrew back there wait what's your name again what was musk muskrad is that your

04:40:47.240 instagram username um funk musk what is it yeah i just mainly agree with all these gals just like

04:40:58.520 what you're biologically born as a woman and then how you hold yourself have you ever slashed somebody's

04:41:03.160 tires yes you thought about okay just i don't want to go to jail okay i just have an intuition for some

04:41:10.440 reason carmen just we'll come back okay um i mean i have trans friends they're cool but a woman is

04:41:20.840 biologically female same i would say same answers her biological female but there's also an essence of

04:41:29.160 womanhood that needs to be complemented to that yeah all right we have another chat here vayton thought

04:41:34.760 brian feminist always rug pull right to vote no responsibility draft fgm ban 1996 no circumcision

04:41:41.000 ban circumcision is objectively a human rights violation which women on the panel would ban it

04:41:46.600 i mean i'm jewish so like i'm not i'm not about that i'm sorry um wait circumcision circum like would

04:41:53.640 you ban circumcision you say you're in favor of it yeah let's you're in favor of it if you're jewish

04:41:58.680 to to to like ban sir ban circumcise yeah like i like i i yeah i don't i don't see any other

04:42:04.600 reason besides an aesthetic reason to circumcise okay oh wait so you're saying oh so you're in favor

04:42:09.320 of banning it yeah oh okay isn't it like the extra skin like there's a higher possibility of getting

04:42:15.320 like no that's what they say yeah but like just clean your dick yeah either either that or like if

04:42:21.880 you're cutting it off like they're cutting it off so they have sex with more girls like well from what i

04:42:25.400 understand it you lose sensitivity and you lose a lot of factors about how you use yeah and like

04:42:29.800 that's really unfortunate to take that away from a child that doesn't even have a choice like it didn't

04:42:33.400 even grow up yet so it's different how can you hurt your oh my god wait here let's just get

04:42:38.120 everybody's answer are you in favor of banning circumcision um not necessarily but i have heard

04:42:44.200 that it like causes more like health issues so being uncut or being cut being uncut fake news okay but

04:42:52.280 i don't know i think it's absolutely disgusting to have 14 like i remember one time i pulled it back

04:42:58.840 it tasted like dank cheese bro you are exposing yourself yeah she's talented you can miss me with all

04:43:09.000 that you can all that okay i mean i i sort of object to your view but at least i give you credit for

04:43:16.120 being i love watching you say it like honest she's got like no filter like forthcoming she's she's

04:43:23.080 she's honest she's blunt she's forthcoming something that is appreciated on the show even if we disagree

04:43:30.280 um i think you stated your position kayla what about you um i think ban it yeah based kayla

04:43:38.840 um i definitely think it should be up in the air like preference i don't really think wait ivory can

04:43:45.400 you move your mic is kind of blocking her well i feel like it should be banned because like you're

04:43:50.040 doing as a kid like when they're born like there's like they don't have a choice if they want if they

04:43:56.360 want to do it later when they're like actually can think for themselves yeah but i don't know i feel

04:44:01.560 like i've met a lot of men that are like oh no like i couldn't have extra foreskin like how would they

04:44:06.920 know though like there's no way to what do you mean well like if you've been cut no if they're

04:44:12.360 uncut like that's what i'm saying if they're uncut the guys that like grow up they're like oh

04:44:17.160 shit like i didn't get what are the negatives of being cut like what yeah psychologically traumatizing

04:44:24.680 for the baby they lose their sexual pleasure there's a dullness in general and also it's

04:44:28.920 a necessary part of the body there's no reason for it grow as well there's no need for it looks like

04:44:32.840 they have enough pleasure i don't know i've never seen a guy that's circumcised and be like i don't

04:44:37.640 not get enough pleasure right now like he wouldn't know he wouldn't know because he was robbed in

04:44:42.760 childhood well yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't have anything to compare it to so

04:44:49.480 but what if we can personally make those comparisons based on our experience what do you

04:44:53.720 what do you mean like between sleeping with a guy who's cut and sleeping with a guy who's uncut well

04:44:57.560 that's about your experience the way you feel not his sensitivity not his experience i mean i guess i think

04:45:02.600 she's talking about like how quickly what you know oh yeah wait wait wait wait how easy it is

04:45:09.560 i was about to ask does that make sense in australia yeah they do they do sometimes sometimes not this

04:45:17.720 guy oh but they do sometimes there you go stop okay this girl needs to chill somebody please oh no

04:45:28.040 why wait wait chill about what was she nothing i'm confused mr ozzy but it's okay is wait is there

04:45:36.120 like a love connection no i mean it might be one way a baddie i've never been described as a baddie before

04:45:44.840 i'll take it uh circumcision over here i'm really glad that my partner's uncircumcised i would ban

04:45:51.880 uncircumcision based i mean my ex was uncircumcised i don't really i was really mean

04:45:59.480 isn't it great when they actually feel okay uh yeah i mean they're feeling i feel like they're

04:46:05.320 feeling pleasure either way you can't really determine yeah well what if i threw what if i

04:46:11.080 threw this statistic out there let's say that in three percent of it might be less than this i don't

04:46:17.480 know if we can look up the statistics let's say one percent of circumstance circumcisions go wrong

04:46:23.720 like there's some sort of damage that occurs like they they like cut some part in it at the end of

04:46:29.720 the day there's even men who some men uh will have the whole penis gets chopped off part of it gets

04:46:37.960 chopped off and they lose sexual function let's assume that that's even just one percent on that basis

04:46:44.280 alone do you think it would be warranted to just do away with the practice of circumcision

04:46:49.720 are there disadvantages though of having that foreskin on or no sure there may look there there's

04:46:55.080 some men for example who perhaps their foreskin doesn't form properly and they might have difficulty

04:47:00.200 uh i i think there are some men where it it's too the skin's too tight yeah and it causes them pain

04:47:06.280 i don't know how frequent that is but but wouldn't you find that out later you would and i mean you

04:47:13.080 would you may have if the pain is substantial you may want to undergo a surgery in adulthood

04:47:18.600 as an infant yeah like until they have that choice then yeah i guess it should be taken out of

04:47:26.280 yeah that condition is typically it's for infants and they usually grow out of it i had a guy who's

04:47:32.520 who had just he's just didn't fit you know so he had to get it done when he was like 14 good friend

04:47:37.240 wait no but that's what i'm saying i think it was just he just a pussy no it just kept growing and

04:47:42.120 then it just got too sort of not like it would like poke out yeah something happened i didn't know i

04:47:47.640 didn't ask the finer details brian but oh okay i know what happened here going to uh arson

04:47:54.760 she's back i want to touch really quick you said you've transcended dating and that you're in a cult

04:47:59.720 that's focused on world liberation and domination we'll talk a lot about i said we'd talk about it

04:48:05.960 for a little bit so do you want to tell us a little bit about the cult and i have some questions i can

04:48:10.440 ask you but yes so basically i found this group of girls where we're all like the similar type of

04:48:18.520 delusional basically and okay we've bonded so strongly over it and the delusion yes you've bought what you've

04:48:26.760 bonded over the delude being delusional yes not like other like okay like we'll meet we'll have

04:48:33.560 meetings like like once a month we're went at airbnb and you know of course cast spells do rituals

04:48:40.760 made a blood pact um did you guys cast any spells about yeah we literally casted a spell last night

04:48:46.760 we did one last night oh my god i would urge you girls to be very careful

04:49:03.800 it's menstrual blood also yeah you guys you guys you guys i'm sorry you might think it's a bit of

04:49:10.760 fun what do you do you're going into something that's pretty dark there i have so many stories

04:49:15.480 ceremonies that's subjective uh uh objective no it's really not i'd say that you're tapping

04:49:20.920 what do you do with the blood though for real what do you do with i'd say with you

04:49:26.120 you mix like all your guys's blood together no no no i'd say that what you're calling delusional is

04:49:31.240 basically you being a very emotionally intense person as already covered where you want that true

04:49:35.080 love and the girls that you are sympathizing with that understand you are those who also want that

04:49:38.920 true love but the men that you're finding because of the poison that you kind of crave

04:49:42.440 are the ones who take advantage of that so in order to take more control over that which has

04:49:45.720 always been the history of witchcraft you then try to use manipulation to get your way with these

04:49:50.360 men but in reality it's an unsustainable way of gathering control i suppose a more sustainable

04:49:56.120 way would be to as has been mentioned on the panel developing a level of awareness by taking in

04:50:01.480 what people are telling you in a way where it won't disrupt your inner peace but rather construct

04:50:05.640 your perspective a little more i just be trying to have fun like anything i find fun like that's

04:50:11.880 what i'm trying to do i don't want to even like go into deeply about like i'm not trying to be out

04:50:17.240 here manipulating anyone like if they're if they're having negative energy i'm casting out do you believe

04:50:22.520 do you believe in some sort of spirituality do you believe that we live in a spiritual world i have my

04:50:26.600 own version of a higher power and that's what you know because what a cult is is like you all believe in the

04:50:33.080 same like religion it's religious because you believe in the same higher power it's religious

04:50:36.760 in structure but our higher power isn't like a deity or isn't a god our higher power is the bond that

04:50:44.840 we form with one another you know because and higher power can mean like anything to you when you say

04:50:49.400 you're doing like bloodletting rituals do you do you sort of think about what kind of um energy or

04:50:55.240 spirituality you might be tapping into yeah yeah of course it's about a transference of energy your blood

04:51:00.520 magic just makes the spell more powerful because you're transferring more of your energy in

04:51:05.960 exchange for whatever you're manifesting where do you think that energy is coming from to be hold

04:51:10.920 power it was a syringe okay that's what i was just drawing it up in you just did it you did this at the

04:51:23.320 table no oh my god i keep it on me as a as a token of a proof of my administration it's a symbol

04:51:30.440 angelina jolie did something similar with bobby thornton i forgot his name but it's typically once

04:51:34.760 again a manifestation of someone who's addicted to that level of pain that level of chaos that extreme

04:51:39.720 and it's like you're a pendulum swinging intensely all over the place and i think for that reason you

04:51:45.160 kind of have that sort of like bubbled in perspective because most of the people around

04:51:48.840 you will look at that and kind of be like whoa now yeah but i think i find calm and chaos as

04:51:53.400 somebody who's actually like delved into that like accidentally my friend taught me witchcraft

04:51:58.440 and she also was accidentally learning witchcraft um and someone who has literally suffered demon

04:52:03.720 attacks and uh become disabled from being attacked like they will choke they'll choke you they'll like

04:52:10.760 you you you will they got possessed no no like they'll attack you it's like actually like

04:52:17.560 manifestations if you if energy cannot be created or destroyed you have to think about where

04:52:22.600 the power from that energy that you're tapping into is coming from it's either going to be a vice

04:52:27.080 or a virtue and whichever side of that i just i wonder if these kind of rituals and interactions

04:52:31.800 i wonder if they have any like leeway of inviting um inviting the wrong kind of energy like you say energy

04:52:38.600 into your life as in you know you can you you talk about like the interpersonal issues if you feel

04:52:42.440 like you're not you know finding people that are like you but the people that you have found

04:52:45.320 like you are encouraging you it sounds like to do some very scary things if i can be quite forward

04:52:51.160 it sounds it sounds scary that's subjective absolutely absolutely no idea what she's doing

04:52:57.720 we're not dealing with demons we're dealing with the opposite of demons you don't think you are but

04:53:01.240 you are you are you are you just don't know yet it's kind of like a there's a similar practice

04:53:06.040 when it comes to like goddesses like ishtar or starday which are mesopotamian goddesses which they

04:53:10.280 require blood sacrifices and then they empower quote unquote women who basically worship them which you then

04:53:15.160 worship the succubi or the liliths or whatever exactly anyways so when it comes to appealing to

04:53:19.880 these types of ideas these energies let's say ideas rather it's like it's more destabilizing to have

04:53:27.800 to rely on yourself and your own way of protecting yourself using all of these different energies all

04:53:32.440 of these different ways because at the end of the day drawing your own blood is a form of self-harm

04:53:36.520 so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation because that's the

04:53:40.760 only thing you really have control over but some people think like i don't know hurting yourself

04:53:44.360 like it's like you know a person might like a tattoo like even though it said that's a form of

04:53:47.880 self-harm that that like some people think it really feels good okay but you're doing it in

04:53:53.160 like a ritualistic way it's like when someone gets tattoos and a lot of tattoos you can typically tell

04:53:58.760 that this person's a very emotionally driven person this is someone who's basically in a moment of

04:54:03.000 impulse like low impulse control they'll basically go for it or whatever so once again it's like all of

04:54:08.600 these forms of self-harm feel good to the person anyone who engages in that behavior says that it

04:54:13.240 feels great that it's liberating okay if you're doing like actual self-harm in a place of like

04:54:17.800 sadness or depression like that's when obviously even like the bliss but if you're doing it in like

04:54:24.120 but not not real self-harm you know what i'm saying like well even overeating is self-harm and you can

04:54:28.760 sit there and just eat an extra bag of chips and it's totally fine it doesn't seem to cut you but it

04:54:32.200 will hurt you over it's all a measure of trying to take control of the only thing you have control over

04:54:35.960 which is your body if you don't have control over your emotions if you don't have control over those

04:54:39.320 around you the only person that you can take control out of is yourself and if you don't have

04:54:43.560 anything constructive to look forward to anything organized to look forward to the only thing that

04:54:47.400 you can take control over is hurting yourself by destroying yourself so people who get tattoos in

04:54:52.280 honor of their loss to loved ones is that self-harm i'd i'd say that there's a better way to handle

04:54:57.960 it personally but no i would say i mean technically actually yeah because then you're doing a way of yeah

04:55:02.440 grief exactly yeah yeah it's a it's a form of grief and can i say that satan is a trickster

04:55:07.400 like you're never gonna go like most people don't go in being like oh i'm gonna go worship the devil

04:55:12.440 today like a lot of it i just don't believe in hell like a lot of it is self-divination okay well you

04:55:17.240 should okay there's there's not you should not believe in it i i also have a struggle in believing

04:55:22.120 in hell myself despite being religious only because i was raised jehovah's witness they don't believe in hell

04:55:25.960 or heaven but in the sense of believing in hell if you just look at the people who basically indulge

04:55:33.080 in the most self-harming behaviors the people who basically have no control over their life

04:55:37.240 they are already living in a little bit of hell i don't know if you've seen the movie hellraiser by

04:55:40.920 i think west craven from 1980 and uh is that with the spikes yes yes pin me uh pinhead so that's a

04:55:47.720 perfect example of how someone who the opposite of pain is not pleasure that's it's like counterpart basically

04:55:54.600 so that movie illustrates it perfectly where it's like someone who's addicted to massive amounts of

04:55:58.520 pleasure through massive amounts of pain and being in that fleshy state is a measure of being out of

04:56:03.960 control so a place to be is in the middle a balance where you're no longer dependent on how you feel

04:56:10.440 or how your body's experiencing whatever but rather staying in a peaceful spiritual zone inside of

04:56:15.480 yourself yeah it's just all about manifestation like i've realized what manifestation and like

04:56:21.160 putting your energy towards a certain thing can literally like actualize it so well so it's

04:56:27.320 literally just about the highest form of manifestation you could perform you know what

04:56:31.320 i mean it's not too like when i'm saying or the devil or whatever like because like for me like that's

04:56:36.600 just not even something in my brain it doesn't doesn't no red flags when you say that you're in

04:56:40.360 a cult and you do bloodletting rituals no not not to me personally again like it's it's literally

04:56:47.080 that delusion that like and satan will trick you i didn't know i was practicing witchcraft a ton of

04:56:53.160 people don't even know that they're doing very like demonic witchcraft type of things right like

04:56:57.800 you could go to barnes and noble be like oh my gosh in the kids section little spell book like it's

04:57:02.360 it's all just so cute and it's like fun and you think it's like just what you're saying has no

04:57:07.480 validity to me because i don't believe in it and i don't really know what you're talking about you said

04:57:11.080 you're just casting spells when it comes yeah but but if you believe in the power in witchcraft

04:57:15.000 where can that exactly when it comes not saying it comes from the divine energies of the universe

04:57:20.600 that like manifestation work on when it comes to what james was saying when it comes to what james

04:57:25.640 was saying yeah there's a level of desensitization going on where you're so used to the extremes that

04:57:30.600 that which other people who aren't so in the extremes consider to be harmful behavior but

04:57:36.120 that plays hand in hand with why it is that you know the guys that you engage in intimacy with tend to

04:57:40.680 have cheese somewhere that tends to be why guys will take advantage of you or hurt you is because

04:57:44.840 those are the extremes that you encounter if you end up pulling yourself away from those extremes

04:57:49.400 you then encounter a more peaceful a more loving a more supportive role for you inside of yourself

04:57:54.200 basically someone will try to that's why i like women and that's why i don't talk to women women do

04:57:58.440 give me that peace you're still going women are more chaotic that you're not getting i'm not going

04:58:03.400 after men whatsoever i'm talking about past experience just to be part of the conversation but if the women

04:58:07.320 that you're around if they end up getting emotionally quote unquote better if they end up finding a

04:58:10.920 partner that basically takes them away because they go to start a family do you feel like at some

04:58:14.600 point relying on a woman who might go away could be a place of you being stranded on a lonely island

04:58:19.560 no the women that are in the group that do have boyfriends like because there's people everybody

04:58:25.240 in there is about we have our own individuality we don't like you know it's about a place of no judgment so

04:58:30.520 people in there do do it's not even just about like all hating men but whenever whenever girls

04:58:35.720 are in we're in our group that's always talking about the abuse of men like literally so it's a

04:58:41.480 place where that topic festers that sounds really painful to have to talk about over and over and

04:58:45.080 over again while doing physical bloodletting it doesn't sound like good vibe manifestation at

04:58:50.440 all no there's good vibes and bad vibes we stay like a whole like night to two nights together

04:58:56.120 so we have our like good moments and bad moves you know i know what you're talking about i definitely

04:59:00.680 know what you're talking about but there's no solutions offered to get out of that situation

04:59:04.680 if there's other people living a life but they don't encounter that there's some truth that's

04:59:08.440 just venting that's three we don't have therapists we are each other but that's bad

04:59:12.280 vibes and then you're also opening up doors that you have no idea how to close or no idea how to

04:59:17.640 manage do you think is the issue safer options for you to be able to still be like a part of

04:59:23.320 a group like that oh yeah for sure there's safer options but and and mostly it's it's not even

04:59:29.240 that's just something we do kind of like just for fun just to like really manifest you know that's

04:59:33.320 not like we're all about just being like super like culty witches like it's mostly just about

04:59:38.040 love like it's literally about pure love for each other the just say that too yeah the beautiful

04:59:42.440 princess manifesting itself again yeah but that's the trick like i've been in your shoes when it comes

04:59:48.120 to this same and i hope you never have to go through what i went through to get to where i am today

04:59:52.680 but she will the shit that i've been through like probably will have you all having ptsd for sure

04:59:58.040 but probably same with y'all but like i don't have any like literally when something really

05:00:02.520 traumatizing bad happens like i'm able to forget about it like the next day like that's not healthy

05:00:09.880 that's called dissociating exactly yeah i'm really that inflated ego that super hyperinflated ego is just

05:00:16.040 to show that you have very low self-esteem and that is literally like a lot of certain times that's

05:00:20.760 that's kind of a whole desensitization you've been through so much that it's basically filed

05:00:24.600 down the sharpness of reality to a point where you don't feel reality anymore and there's a lot of

05:00:28.440 girls who go through that experience because we live in a society that basically throws them to the

05:00:31.960 dogs basically by virtue of i guess to go back to politics feminism so you're basically left on your

05:00:37.480 own to have to handle reality on your own but it's like that desensitization that level of like oh no

05:00:44.120 i'm totally fine you know i'm running away from problems problem all these problems happen all these terrible

05:00:47.640 people around me all these bad things keep happening to me but i'm totally okay you guys

05:00:50.680 just don't understand reality y'all don't understand anything no like that's how my life used to be

05:00:55.240 ever since like i joined this women call it's literally been so lit and i wonder why it is no

05:01:00.760 technically it's a step in the right direction it's technically not the ideal place finding community

05:01:05.320 so but it's going and it's just that there's going to be issues that might make themselves super

05:01:10.040 presented to you where it's like huh this might be a place that i'm not gaining any answers from

05:01:14.760 and then you might want to take another step forward and that goes for every woman too it's

05:01:18.200 not just you it's not like you're a good woman that's a bad woman that's a bad woman you're a

05:01:21.480 good woman it's just a state that you might want to i worry that rehashing your trauma so consistently

05:01:26.360 with other women while doing substances or once taking out blood things like that it physiologically

05:01:31.320 does affect your body and i just fear i fear that it will trap you in those feelings with those

05:01:36.040 places more than let that go it does allow to trap you won't grow in an echo chamber

05:01:42.600 i don't know i ever ever since i have i've just watched my life elevate in so many ways

05:01:48.040 so it's just like it feels like it's working okay and it feels like it's working that's why i said

05:01:52.680 satan is a trickster and it's going to feel really good and that's exactly the hedonistic kind of

05:01:57.320 lifestyle that he wants you to live because you're just thinking oh my gosh this feels great this is

05:02:01.480 this is you know i want want want want want but you're not sitting back and looking at what am i

05:02:06.360 losing at the same time i'd say you used to worship men as your god to be your salvation and now you're

05:02:12.760 trying to worship yourself among with other women yeah so it's like you're trying to change what you

05:02:17.000 consider your god because everyone worships a god so i think you're trying to change what you consider

05:02:21.160 god and everyone on the panel is basically telling you they're like higher more ideal basically try to

05:02:26.360 strive for something above you rather than well and even their own experience they've indulged in

05:02:30.600 witchcraft personally yes spot on i have had very severe demon attacks like in my sleep i would be

05:02:36.600 choked i would be stabbed i could feel everything like you could feel it everything they're trying

05:02:40.840 to they're trying to take you same as happens to us guys you've mentioned succubus before it's like a

05:02:46.360 demon that comes and definitely see one grapes you in your sleep as a man and creates other little

05:02:50.840 demons it's so funny because i had a dream about that literally a succubus but tell me why i thought he was

05:02:56.360 fine and that's how it starts i used to i used to engage in being final thought and i'm gonna move

05:03:02.120 on go ahead yes being someone who loves the 1960s the beatles and all of that jazz i found myself

05:03:06.760 engaging in some substances and i also started seeing like you know demonic entities around and

05:03:11.480 i was like thinking oh this is just my brain playing tricks on me but if you start seeing dark

05:03:15.240 figures clawing up the walls of sort of dark presence around you it's not just your imagination it's what

05:03:20.600 those substances elicit that's why they were considered spiritual before last word don't be a

05:03:25.400 witch don't be a witch all right total gear shift here do you guys object to men caring about body

05:03:34.360 count would you object to a guy if he took coral with you know i got something to put for this

05:03:39.320 no oh my god so well i'll start again with zombri and we'll go around the table go ahead like do you

05:03:44.600 mean like a girl's body count or guys a what like a girl's body count like typically i mean

05:03:50.280 women are totally entitled to prefer men who are not promiscuous or don't have a promiscuous

05:03:54.200 past or have a low body count i do tend to hear it a bit more from men who tend to prefer

05:03:59.560 women with a low body count some women object to that do you object to men preferring women with a

05:04:06.600 low body count do you think it's insecure do you no i feel like it's not insecure because i feel like

05:04:13.000 if you've been with like a lot of people then men aren't going to like take you serious okay

05:04:20.280 yeah i feel like it's ridiculous just because like that's just in a place of judgment you know

05:04:27.240 why are you trying to judge anyone like i don't know i think you just have an open heart and open

05:04:31.240 mind to anyone and if you have like negative opinions then like literally didn't earlier in

05:04:36.520 the conversation though you said you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you yeah but that's different

05:04:41.000 than a body count because one is like you're born with it and one is like choices you've made which could

05:04:46.760 indicate poor behavioral choices i don't see how it's bad how do you think that somebody should

05:04:53.000 should be judgmental towards their partner or towards the person that they take seriously in

05:04:57.400 a relationship no that's why i don't i don't know like i don't know the just body count in general i

05:05:03.800 just don't see where it's bad you know i think that kind of plays hand in hand with like the lack of

05:05:08.680 standards where it's like you just want someone to love you unconditionally because there's like

05:05:12.600 a level of a lack of self-awareness you're just like please whatever i am love me as it is but

05:05:18.040 because you don't have standards for other people then you hope that no one else has standards for

05:05:22.680 your behavior but in common society we need standards to make sure that we filter people who might be

05:05:28.040 dangerous or harmful to us or others that's valid that's valid speaking to a potential partner i think

05:05:36.840 it's valid to care about body count like absolutely like i i don't think it's judgmental i reject the

05:05:42.520 premise that it's judgmental uh toward men or women especially for for men i think it's like a

05:05:47.400 a strange premise to like care and like get all up in like a tizzy like if the same energy is not

05:05:53.160 exchanged so if you want to be with somebody that is not judgmental and yeah they can be with whoever

05:05:57.160 then that's fine but it completely is valid that i want a partner that i can rely on i want a partner

05:06:01.400 who i know um will stay with me and a lot of people find that proof in the pudding which is their

05:06:06.200 lifestyle how many people have you been with how long are your relationships what was the

05:06:09.800 context of your sexual or otherwise relationship and i think that's important

05:06:15.240 kayla the question was like what was it again like do you okay body count should it matter and

05:06:21.320 then do you object to men caring about a woman's body count i think that it's stupid if the man has

05:06:27.000 a high body count and they're like want someone with like a low body count like it should be equal

05:06:32.600 like jesus does that make sense don't like go searching for like someone with like no like a

05:06:38.120 really low body count if you've fucked like 100 girls like and do you find that do you find that

05:06:42.360 that's kind of a common thing for men like even men who've had a promiscuous past they prefer women

05:06:46.920 yeah with low body counts do you think there's a corresponding like women with

05:06:52.040 do you think there's a corresponding like women with high body counts like they're desiring men who are

05:06:56.440 virgins no no okay yeah i kind of like virginal men but that's just my thing sure word word i don't

05:07:04.680 necessarily object to men feeling some type of way about body counts because i'm not gonna i personally

05:07:12.520 am not gonna go around getting with any man being in a relationship with any man that's slept with

05:07:16.440 everything well everyone because if you have this many body count oh anyone can have you like you have

05:07:22.920 no standards for yourself so i kind of understand if they would have some kind of standards for us

05:07:27.880 where it's like i would hope you wouldn't this many people or have this high of a body count sure i

05:07:32.760 mean but then does body count defined of how many people you're to sleep with in the future like what

05:07:38.680 if that was your past it's a good indicator it can be i mean it could it could be a red flag depending on

05:07:44.360 how it's looked at yeah can i have you scoot your mic i do this every time huh your answer um no i agree

05:07:52.440 with her that if somebody has standards and preference then that's their standards and preference

05:07:57.560 okay

05:08:02.280 you can answer

05:08:05.080 i don't believe that that should be a question partners ask each other at all to begin with

05:08:11.560 okay so then you do object to men having caring about body count yes okay i don't object to it

05:08:19.240 i'm on the same page did you thoroughly answer did you i don't think so okay um i don't think men

05:08:25.560 should care about another girl's body count can i ask you both of you why like why why do you think

05:08:33.480 that should not matter do you think and do you think men are insecure if they would care about that

05:08:38.520 i feel like it varies on the person it can be from insecurity or it could not be i personally

05:08:43.960 um i guess i'm gonna expose myself a little my body count is a little high than i would like to

05:08:51.640 but the reason why it's high is because i talked to a lot of guys and i thought having sex with them

05:08:57.480 would make them want to pursue me or take me on a date or something like that so i guess that's why i'm

05:09:05.000 not i'm saying like body count really shouldn't matter if that makes sense sure um what about you why

05:09:12.360 why should body count not matter or um probably the same reason as her i feel like everyone has a

05:09:19.560 past sure and if you're getting into a relationship that you really want to be in you guys shouldn't

05:09:25.080 be worried about your guys's past at all okay and do you think it's insecure if a guy prefers a woman

05:09:31.720 with a low body count uh yeah i do think it's insecure okay personal experience carmen did you answer

05:09:38.120 uh yeah i said i don't object to it yeah um i don't object to it i i have the unfortunate bad

05:09:46.440 habit of asking guys for their body count which would oftentimes surprise them but yeah no i think

05:09:51.320 that it's very important for both men and women and i think that it needs to be within the same range

05:09:55.160 where if you're a man who's had sex with a bunch of women don't aim for a virgin because you're going

05:09:59.320 to abandon her the moment you end up hypothetically having children with her they oftentimes are more

05:10:04.600 likely to cheat they're more often times to give more attention to women and normalize the idea

05:10:08.840 of oh an affair is just something men do it's no big deal they have no consideration for their for

05:10:13.480 the emotional needs of their wife likewise a woman having sex with a lot of guys can indicate hey if

05:10:18.600 you know we're having marital problems you might start to emotionally fancy another man and then

05:10:23.880 you let astray okay

05:10:28.920 so a couple follow-up things here um i wanted to address your thing where you said well if a guy who has a

05:10:34.120 high body count you know it would be maybe hip critical or a double standard for him to desire

05:10:39.560 in a partner a woman who has a low body count yes uh so i actually i disagree with that i actually

05:10:45.880 don't have any issue with a man who has a high body count desiring a woman with a low body count

05:10:51.000 and i don't i don't have an issue with a woman with a high body count desiring a man with a low body

05:10:55.960 count i tend to think that women with high body counts probably are much less likely to desire

05:11:00.840 uh sexual purity in men but um that is certainly what i think is uh evolutionary and a biological

05:11:07.720 difference between men and women but what i would ask you is when it comes to well if you've had a

05:11:12.680 high body count then you can't desire women with a you can't desire women with a low body count

05:11:18.600 or it's hypocritical it might be hypocritical for example if a man with a high body count

05:11:23.480 uh was out or who is promiscuous or is promiscuous shamed women for their promiscuity now again i do

05:11:31.880 think there are some differences between men and women when it comes to that but overall i would agree

05:11:36.280 there if he's like shaming women for their behavior but he's partaking in said behavior that would meet

05:11:41.400 the actual definition of hypocrisy uh but i don't think it's hypocritical to not possess a trait and

05:11:49.480 desire said trait in a partner for example uh i would argue that women desire all a wide variety

05:11:56.040 of traits in partners that they themselves do not possess so for example uh a woman who's not funny

05:12:02.200 may very well desire a man who's funny a woman who's short may very well desire a man who's tall a woman

05:12:07.320 who has no money she may very well desire to date a man who's exceptionally wealthy a woman who has no

05:12:13.960 status she might want to date a man who has a lot of status a woman who's not a professional athlete would

05:12:19.560 very much like to date a professional athlete so i don't think it makes you hypocritical

05:12:25.080 to desire like need you possess a trait in order to desire that trait in a partner and i think the

05:12:33.400 answer is no um i just think it's hypocritical because like why do you want someone with no like very

05:12:41.160 little sexual experience why do you want to commit because a lot of a lot of chastity but you have a lot of

05:12:47.800 sexual experience and like the other person doesn't i don't but why do broke women want to date rich

05:12:53.640 men you're not you're not rich broke men want to date rich women they don't yes they do i beg to

05:13:00.440 differ my ex was i beg to differ look i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure you have a few examples i have no doubt

05:13:05.640 about that but for the most part men don't really care and if you're a broke man who's going for a rich

05:13:09.640 woman like it's just it's his bum behavior but men and women are different we have different sort of

05:13:14.760 like interests so i'm going to have i'm going to really value the chastity of a woman whereas

05:13:20.360 women might value that and if they value that so much that they can't look past it then i

05:13:24.360 fully agree with your with your standards as well if you're a woman who has a very low body count and

05:13:29.000 you say i don't want a man who has a high body count then absolutely yeah each to their own but i do

05:13:34.600 think that they value different things like like brian just said women value men with resources we

05:13:39.400 don't particularly care about that women value height strength competence capability all these

05:13:44.440 sort of things we don't really care about that one of the things we really do care about though is

05:13:48.360 chastity is to know that we're somewhat exclusively i've i've had your body and not too many other people

05:13:54.600 i would also say that although men can desire chastity in a woman it's very rare for a woman who does

05:13:59.560 value chastity with a low body count or a virgin to ever give those men attention and that's why they tend to

05:14:04.520 build resentment against the women that they can have because they want that quote-unquote virgin

05:14:09.000 but they can't have her because she already sees through what his intentions are meanwhile they aim

05:14:12.840 for the girls who lack standards or can't see through their games and they'll play with them

05:14:17.960 and then they'll hurt them because they basically they don't respect them essentially and that's also

05:14:26.040 symptomatic of how they're not masculine i think it also shows like a level of like immaturity and just

05:14:32.280 like irresponsibility for like because sex for a woman is very different for like for sex with a for

05:14:39.640 a man um in the sense that we can have kids right that's a big thing um you know not to mention all

05:14:46.280 the other things that i mean men can also have but i mean i think that's just extremely irresponsible

05:14:53.000 when it comes to chastity i would say that the reason that both sexes value chastity is for the

05:14:56.360 same reason women don't want a man to be looking at another woman that's sexually provocative and

05:15:00.680 thinking oh well you know let me just lack discipline and go after her and vice versa men

05:15:04.680 don't want a woman who's going to be emotionally led astray by a man and then give him sex all be

05:15:09.080 in the attempt of getting him to like her or in an attempt to basically say oh you've flared up

05:15:14.120 these emotions in me that means and now i have to give you sex or whatever i agree yeah so for those of

05:15:20.840 you actually we'll just go around the table on this uh body count does not matter what's your body count

05:15:27.880 um starting with zombri can i ask a clarifying question first sure is that like do you mean

05:15:36.760 like penetrative sex or like foreplay or anything like that penetration i would say penetrative sex

05:15:43.560 too but i just i like i don't know when the p goes in the v okay yeah

05:15:50.440 miss kissing in middle school count

05:15:55.640 um i was dating someone for five years from 17 to 22 so mine is only six okay how old are you now sir 26

05:16:04.440 i lost track honestly i don't know if i like i don't have a journal where i wrote down all the

05:16:11.960 names so i literally have absolutely no clue like if you had to give a range like an estimate like i i

05:16:18.520 literally don't know i have no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like i have no clue well

05:16:24.760 do you think it's over 100 i possibly i'd have to like do hella math i was dating someone for four

05:16:32.200 years but from like 15 to 19 like i don't know there was like at one point where i was on tinder

05:16:38.680 and there i was doing it like every week there was one time i did it twice in one day with two different

05:16:43.080 guys so i don't know like when i was younger i was out here but yeah i don't know completely switch

05:16:48.120 down now but like i have no clue what that number is really okay so no sense of a range

05:16:59.160 it could literally be to anywhere between 30 to like 200 or like somewhere around 30.

05:17:04.920 big range i stopped writing it down after 15. wait into the mic if you can but

05:17:10.600 okay it stopped writing down after 15. so okay anywhere from 30 to 200. that's crazy oh i i missed the

05:17:17.240 numbers that is a huge range but yo if you're gonna talk please leave it in the mic go ahead

05:17:20.920 what about you uh i i valued about the body count i thought it was valid for the men to do it yeah i

05:17:25.320 mean just since we're going around the table care to share the sure one oh okay cool

05:17:31.320 like 30. like 30. yeah okay mine's four four like nine i thought you did a whole basketball team

05:17:41.560 no i didn't yo it's cat her friend her friend gave it away you gotta put that chris rock seven dick

05:17:47.000 care i said i did two and then she did the rest multiply it by three and that's

05:17:55.640 okay uh what about what about you

05:17:59.080 let me see

05:18:05.960 maybe about

05:18:09.000 eight about eight okay what about you i don't feel comfortable saying oh come on you said

05:18:15.400 earlier that uh you know you might have been a lot i don't want it to be out there

05:18:20.600 nobody watches this podcast 30 to 200 no my ex is gonna watch this no nobody watches this podcast oh

05:18:26.120 your ex it's your ex yeah i know but he doesn't want it out there he doesn't want it out there

05:18:31.720 but he's your ex why does he he doesn't have a say on what's out there are you still him

05:18:37.560 yes

05:18:40.280 okay wait do you want to give a range how about that is that more fair

05:18:44.760 just say under something it's around kayla's twins

05:18:51.400 multiply it by three and that's the real number carmen no um

05:18:54.680 i do value it but mine's five okay um what was the question that we do value it

05:19:01.160 oh no just no what's your what's your body oh okay uh i am a mythical virgin

05:19:06.920 oh what the myth like you know like the unicorn i'm the unicorn like born again virgin no so are

05:19:13.800 you actually a virgin or like i've never had penetrative sex oh period oh like period

05:19:18.200 i love that for you yeah yes is that cat no no i tried her first boyfriend was from xbox live i

05:19:26.680 believe her that's true no that's xbox kids from canada i'm absolutely i'm absolutely terrified of

05:19:33.480 diseases okay and um and so even though i messed around i literally like that was like a big role for

05:19:42.040 me yeah yeah okay well i'll come back to that real quick but angelica what about you

05:19:47.480 closer to the mic please about like 14 575 i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i can count it on one

05:19:55.240 hand okay everybody already knows good okay wait so going back to you though raven you said you're

05:20:00.760 a former of model you used to strip you said you were a uh you uh you mentioned you had three oh

05:20:08.520 foe days through what you in your pre-show messages to us you said you had three oh foe days

05:20:16.120 i had ho days ho days oh my god yeah and that ended in that ended probably just kissing a boy in a tree

05:20:25.160 no you said that that ended in 2020 but you you did and i when i when we asked for clarification for

05:20:31.800 what you meant by ho days you said that as days of being promiscuous yeah what's your idea of

05:20:37.960 promiscuous oh i mean just like i don't know like you're like hanging out i used to just i used to

05:20:43.480 go to parties and just like did you give hand jobs a lot i don't just no were you i don't like i

05:20:53.320 have a thing with hands i like germs i don't like touching hand job like a posh wank we call it

05:20:58.440 um anyways is there a bj count what's the bj count um i was more so into like watching and then if

05:21:06.760 guys would ask to like do stuff to me and if i was into it i would like do that like uh i had a lot

05:21:11.320 of guys that were like into feet so they'd ask to like massage my feet and like suck my toes and like

05:21:15.640 that's probably worse no but i've had like i've had like other stuff uh i feel like this is the

05:21:23.080 equivalent of being like i used to be a gangster and just snorting smarties is that really like

05:21:28.920 people used to do no wait hold on but hold on okay so in your pre-show notes here yeah you said

05:21:34.200 and i'll just read what you wrote you said when i was 16 i started selling feet pics and gaining a

05:21:39.480 following online that too okay you said you were going on omegle to kind of experiment with doing

05:21:45.480 i don't know how to pronounce that you got yeah i'm a fucking boomer dude you said you started going

05:21:52.280 uh you uh doing things on camera as soon as you turned 18 you started going to sex parties

05:21:58.200 and got targeted by i don't think i want to talk about the whole traffic thing thing but

05:22:04.600 how do you like go to a i mean i you could go to a sex party and not do anything

05:22:10.360 but it's like kind of like makes me raise an eyebrow like you claiming to be a virgin but like

05:22:16.280 in your pre-show notes you said you had hoe days you said you're promiscuous you said you went to

05:22:19.880 sex parties no i never did that either oh no i never did that so you you lied in your survey

05:22:26.920 what no i'm confused you never did what i oh oh the person just put up a oh somebody just put up a

05:22:33.160 comment i was like i didn't do that please please we're paying attention to what i'm sorry talking to

05:22:37.720 us just address i'm so sorry i'm sorry no you're you're good i'm sorry you can stop apologizing

05:22:45.000 but please continue with the conversation yeah what was the question

05:22:48.680 how do i maintain it how are you still a virgin when you're having all of these different

05:22:54.920 experiences okay wait on a real note leslie and i do have to drive five or six hours to the mountains

05:23:01.640 no we do have to leave soon yeah okay um so yeah the hoe phase yeah it was like a foot hoe phase

05:23:09.240 it was honestly more for attention um if i okay so again lesbian like former i love you

05:23:15.560 like yeah yeah former lesbian like you know used to like you know how that works um and if like

05:23:25.400 oh so the scissors jake i never diseases jake my friend's getting a little jelly

05:23:31.640 oh my god you'll get some attention sir sorry it's okay next conversation sorry so because you've never

05:23:39.720 had penetrative sex that's why you consider yourself still a virgin that is because you even though you've

05:23:43.960 been around these things well that's like the definition of a virgin i would consider what i

05:23:47.560 did like as foreplay i follow i yeah yeah that's that's that's exactly you would you would be the

05:23:53.000 one that's like into bdsm or something hey yeah period bdsm well that's a big that's a big like a

05:24:00.040 like a part of like well with people misunderstanding me and like what i am about yeah what what is bdsm uh

05:24:09.800 uh bondage submission dominance massacrum sadism it's all it's it's kinky sex whatever but it

05:24:14.840 doesn't have to be sexual it's all about it's all about power play but that's the that's what people

05:24:19.160 will assume about me they look at me and they think oh okay she's kinky okay this is what you know you

05:24:22.920 want to assume in reality it's like i literally just like want to play fetch like i'm not i don't

05:24:26.840 want you to like abuse me like i just want to play fetch dude this is literally the freakiest girl

05:24:31.720 that i've ever met that hasn't had sex like that's wild to me yeah that's that's a title

05:24:36.680 i was just very curious when i looked at you when i first came in i was thinking quiet girl

05:24:42.920 you know someone who's like got a cute shirt on with like good vibes it says yeah i didn't i

05:24:49.080 didn't know this was going to come out normally i'm a good judge of character when it comes to

05:24:52.280 little freaks but no that's what you got it yeah even these shy girls you gotta be i'm not shy i'm not

05:25:00.200 shy i just haven't had much chance to talk that's no but like even these kind of like these girls you

05:25:04.920 you think oh she's probably oh my gosh i used to literally look like her i used to look like

05:25:09.960 her i've been toning down because like i want to find a husband right because you did say at the

05:25:14.600 time like at the time i was a raging feminist with friends and family and you said you're a raging

05:25:21.720 feminist friends family encouraging you to live that type of life after your baptism you changed

05:25:27.080 drastically i used to have split by hair what did you so when you were raging feminist what did you

05:25:32.120 used to think of men like what being a raging feminist and all oh my gosh what denomination

05:25:36.760 are you what did you convert to oh my god thank you for derailing my question appreciate it yeah um

05:25:43.320 what was like how was i as a yeah no i hated men and that's kind of like how i was raised like

05:25:50.600 men are disgusting men are evil men are always like the perpetrators yeah

05:25:55.720 glad you found your way out of that one thank you oh my gosh so um i have a lot of crazy stories

05:26:03.400 but like my family um so my um my aunt was like kind of like as soon as i was born she was kind of

05:26:09.720 like i want to like latch on to you you are like my child and she tried to just like push all this

05:26:15.160 stuff and she probably worships lucifer hereditary she literally she's a professional protester

05:26:20.680 mm-hmm and she tried to get me in on that she's been touched by lucifer yeah and i'm like i'm like

05:26:25.960 i love you but you know that's been a really hard thing honestly that was more like recent like i kind

05:26:31.080 of had to be like okay like i'm not talking to you anymore but it was like a lot of like like just

05:26:34.600 like i feel like indoctrination um the other family members they actually like like after biden they

05:26:41.720 like all of us really jumped ship after biden let's go yeah yeah so you guys are mega huh you guys are mega

05:26:49.080 um i wouldn't say we're like oh my gosh like at the rally it's nice over here it's fun i wouldn't

05:26:54.760 say i'm like at the rallies like going crazy i mean i have thought about it but i'm i'm not like crazy

05:27:00.120 but i'm like i just like republican party just put the hat i like like ramashwami i'm like you like

05:27:05.880 ramashwami i like ramashwami yeah me too i like ramashwami oh so i actually um the church i went to

05:27:12.360 was lds oh i know i know i actually just left you wait so what denomination are you now i don't know

05:27:18.600 like i i'm my own thing orthodoxy i love orthodoxy i have no idea i don't really like organized

05:27:24.840 religion i think yeah i would say i would say just out of a fly out of curiosity try an orthodox church

05:27:33.320 i think it'll have all of the answers that lds like jewish no no no no oh yeah orthodox

05:27:39.640 christian yeah it's like that'll have all of the answers that a lot of the what i would call heretical

05:27:45.960 branches don't have definitely yeah i don't know like i don't know what i was witness i had a lot

05:27:50.680 of severe like issues with religion because of the heresies that they had and i pushed against

05:27:55.240 all religion all it's so see you being a jehovah's witness you like so well i could see you knocking on

05:28:01.080 my door yeah but yeah it's like um i had a bunch of issues with religion authority i had all of the

05:28:08.760 different predictable outcomes and all of that jazz when i found catholicism and then that branched me to

05:28:14.280 orthodoxy it answered all of the heretical questions that the joe's when it says got wrong

05:28:19.000 and it gave me that level of inner peace that a lot of religious people talk about and i think

05:28:23.000 organized religion is the only way to go about religion hence the term religion it's like you

05:28:27.160 can't be esoteric in your approach to spirituality because that's when you start to depend on your

05:28:30.760 own understanding and be led away by all of these different high energy high spiritual feelings that'll

05:28:37.080 then lead you down paths that you might not understand the consequences of when you're in an

05:28:41.160 organized church organized religion there's an authority present they can guide you in ways that

05:28:45.240 you might not be aware of and lead you to better behaviors see my issue is that like everybody claims

05:28:50.120 to be the true church like the one true church moving on on the earth okay uh so i want to try to

05:28:55.720 reel in carmen no offense guys i'm not trying to be rude by cutting you off but i mean i we're getting

05:29:01.800 into like totally off topic stuff that it's just do it go for it okay uh carmen you said hold on let

05:29:11.240 me see here your suggestion was and i think this was to women or maybe everybody stop being whores and

05:29:19.000 hooking up with people or playing with people's feelings or trying to be trapped people with child

05:29:22.920 support or whatever the case may be that's to everyone that's to everybody okay all right

05:29:28.040 uh you said media has driven us to be more and more polarized from the opposite sex gender and we

05:29:34.040 all have to remember that at the end of the day we're all human and deserve to be treated as such

05:29:38.040 men aren't atms women aren't just walking fleshlights okay i concur with that you know uh generally you

05:29:46.440 said you think that a big problem is a lot of people wanting the instant gratification wanting the

05:29:50.440 one-year anniversary not the 364 days between that commit to somebody someone grow with them support

05:29:55.960 each other and love one another for who they are and be willing to guide and be guided neither side

05:29:59.560 is always right uh did you want to add to uh any of that and you also said hookup culture is the

05:30:04.840 dumbest thing to exist and is the bane of all of our mental health and moral compasses yeah i doubled

05:30:11.960 down on all that okay she agrees with what she said in in the pre-show notes i mean i i don't really have

05:30:18.920 like too much to add like right off rip other than just like remember that at the end of the day we're all

05:30:25.240 human right it's so easy to get like have extreme opinions on either end of a spectrum whether it's

05:30:31.960 um feminism politics or whatever like i just like think we should all be friends and like i think a

05:30:38.600 big thing is wanting to understand another person like wanting to understand the other side rather

05:30:43.160 than wanting to be polarized and wanting to be right i think that's the thing is that none of these ideas

05:30:47.480 are new and this whole concept of the battle of the sexes has been really a modern concept

05:30:51.880 because prior to the 20th century we worked in unison we had our complementary roles and we

05:30:57.160 respected that in society now with hookup culture and all of this jazz it's reduced the interactions

05:31:01.080 between men and women as being purely materialist and transactional and naturally speaking we're both

05:31:05.720 going to start resenting each other hating each other for the quote-unquote elements or like you know

05:31:10.760 vices that the opposite sex has but it's because our roles are no longer complementary they're being on

05:31:16.120 purpose by the establishment i suppose put against each other because we're competing against each other now

05:31:21.720 that's why it's like it's kind of nonsensical to say like oh well you know a woman values this and

05:31:25.960 a man values that and it should be equal or oh there's hypocrisy there and it's like we're both

05:31:30.040 inherently emphasize exactly emphasize the differences and see why it's complementary don't

05:31:34.280 try to reduce it all down to the equal equal narrative or whatever find the balances find a way to balance

05:31:39.080 not find a way to fight

05:31:43.320 dope i think the last thing i have is for ivory back there as she's uh coming

05:31:47.400 she ran all the way yeah i think just the library got a new jumper put the boys away no no no let me

05:31:56.120 if anybody's in the comments saying that i'm flirting with jake i'm absolutely not fighting

05:31:59.880 with jake i'm trying to get him to talk to my friend so what we're at the opposite ends of the

05:32:04.200 table it's there's not much no apparently it's because you said because brian walked off um because

05:32:09.640 something was said he just got frustrated and i said i turned to her and i said he hates us just

05:32:13.720 jokingly and you said i love you yeah she's trying to really ship less and uh and jake

05:32:20.520 there i don't know yeah i'm really trying to get because she's over here in my ear talking about

05:32:25.560 you and i'm like come on what's that i'm not talking to anyone's ear anything i say i will say it to you

05:32:30.760 jake is it an issue that she's currently involved in a like semi-complicated sexual relationship with

05:32:38.120 her ex-boyfriend who she still has feelings for who is you yeah that's ended right now

05:32:45.480 no comment i thought i thought there was something no i didn't know about him no me and my ex are

05:32:54.920 when's the last time you guys when's the last time you guys had sex

05:32:58.920 whenever we broke up months ago oh i thought you guys were still like that's not me you're talking

05:33:03.800 about one of these other girls no i'm pretty nope that's definitely her still sleeping with her ex

05:33:10.680 you said you were in a situation ship that's slash it's that's a different so you're in a

05:33:15.000 situation ship no no that's what who is he honestly i don't know okay she's trying to she's trying to

05:33:21.080 squirm like wiggle out of this we're on no contact right now that's why i was saying like we're having

05:33:24.920 some issues okay when's the last rebound when's the no no you can be first runner up don't worry

05:33:32.680 okay when when is the last time that you've had sexual intercourse i don't know yesterday no that's

05:33:40.680 a yesterday face it's actually been a couple weeks okay all right okay in all fairness you walking off or

05:33:47.960 the temperament that you've shown is just funny it's humorous it's light it's not to be taken too

05:33:51.800 seriously oh no yeah no it was funny i just oh i didn't even take it that way no no i just uh

05:33:57.560 i might be totally oblivious to what's been happening i'm confused okay here's less less wants to have

05:34:06.040 p in the v sexual intercourse with you after the show jay what what it's not my style okay but oh you

05:34:13.720 prefer i'm looking for something a little bit more special and long-term you prefer i appreciate the

05:34:19.320 attention is it that's why i stick to anal sex there's no poop hole loophole with me whoa okay

05:34:26.440 all right jesus okay no more styles but okay anal sex is uh gay based including with women wait

05:34:35.000 what yeah yeah disavow if you're sticking your dick in in a pooper gaslighting this is

05:34:43.800 gaslighting like you're you are literally wanting your that is the most meaning for that

05:34:50.760 that's the most r slurred thing i've ever what if he just wants to feel submissive and readable this is

05:34:57.800 this is why you have an epidemic of men thinking that they're women because men treat them the same

05:35:02.440 now it's like oh if you have a pooper you're no different than a woman and it's like okay this is

05:35:06.920 this is such a fucking stretch bro that is the biggest fucking stretch ever andrew tate is over

05:35:11.960 there trying to like rationalize to men why it is not gay to have sex with a no it's gay and it

05:35:17.480 looks like megan fox so if you have if a woman women and you only treat them as so you're saying

05:35:22.280 you have to take that with a pinch of salt though i think he's he's being a provocateur i mean he was

05:35:26.920 in thailand and then afterwards but that's like oh you know lady boys aren't that bad after all

05:35:30.440 that is totally unrelated you're saying it's gay to have yes like to fuck a woman yes in the butt

05:35:39.000 yeah it's a slippery slope to basically saying there's nothing okay if i can't get a girl if i

05:35:43.560 can't get a girl on a tuesday maybe i can't get a guy so if a woman so if a woman eats a man's ass

05:35:49.560 does that make him gay that's disgusting that might be a little you're gay that is gay anything

05:35:55.240 anything anything that has to do with that area i don't think it's right it's not yeah i don't

05:36:00.840 think so yeah because you're you're put that's where you get pleasure as like a guy no no stay the

05:36:07.080 hell away no no no why is quiet over here i don't think so y'all y'all don't y'all don't know wait

05:36:15.640 we're talking about a guy wanting to have like a girl in the ass we're not talking about receptive

05:36:21.880 anal sex if he ever asked me to fuck me in the ass i would personally tell him go find a man

05:36:28.440 to do that with haram haram i mean how is but kayla cosigns apparently it's it's gay to want to have

05:36:36.840 anal sex with like a woman i'm confused so true because you still want that why why you want that

05:36:43.320 hole you have a whole other one it's yeah exactly okay but like natural like what is so interesting

05:36:48.840 about the apple i don't want to paint too much of a vivid picture in people's mind yeah okay there

05:36:53.560 is a big big difference between the bum hole of a woman and the bum hole of how do you know is it

05:36:59.320 because it's tighter yes they're hairy disgusting okay you don't want to see it it's just i wouldn't

05:37:05.400 wish it upon my worst enemy i wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy women have hair too you know no

05:37:10.680 no women are beautiful and women don't poo that's the that's the difference yeah no i mean that's

05:37:15.800 that's why twinks get their butts waxed that's why twinks get their butts bleached it's like they're

05:37:19.960 trying to it's everyone knows that women are only allowed to poo in there wait wait i want to ask

05:37:23.720 the chat i want to ask the chat chat is it is it gay to want to fuck a woman in the ass okay one in the

05:37:33.080 chat if it's gay two in the chat it's not what if how could it conceivably how what is that comment

05:37:39.960 that comment says brian took a finger is this one of those objective questions or is this one of those

05:37:44.440 it absolutely is

05:37:48.520 the chat is speaking at the moment oh sorry nemesis come on what's one and what's

05:37:54.440 nemesis don't spin yeah what's one and two two is no this is pretty divided it's mostly two

05:38:00.120 two two is not object is this one is most of the men are saying that of emotionally coping with

05:38:05.960 reality is this your way they're all men they're all men bad decisions perhaps they're trying to

05:38:11.560 protect their masculinity right now wait so hold on so hold on if men have mouths too if i receive

05:38:21.240 if i receive oral sex from a woman does that make is that gay no it argue it's it's been argued in

05:38:28.040 the past that that's seen as a homosexual act because you're grading the traditional procreative

05:38:32.520 act between a man and a woman so it's like if you're only going to be using a woman or denigrating

05:38:36.760 a woman for your logic is a little faulty but then it's like you're basically going to be a sexual

05:38:41.240 degenerate but like but like that's a very extreme argument no exactly like i don't necessarily

05:38:45.320 hold on a second are you okay so but like oral sex is is very different though to like vaginal sex

05:38:51.880 and there's also the argument that under the union of man and woman in marriage sex is and

05:38:56.840 it is an instrument of pleasure and it can be an instrument of pleasure so it doesn't necessarily

05:39:00.600 have to be for procreating in in the song of solomon in the bible it references a poem where

05:39:05.400 basically it says that the woman is enjoying the fruits of a man's loins basically where it's like

05:39:10.120 it references oral basically so it's like it's been argued where it's like is it something that's

05:39:15.400 like degenerate or is it not something that's degenerate okay hold on that being said hold on there

05:39:19.480 is argument for it and if you're a sexual degenerate there's not going to be an end to how far

05:39:23.880 you'll next time i'm gonna ask would you like to reap the fruits of my loin this is like so you're

05:39:29.080 i mean it seems like you're making an argument about sodomy right so here's the thing uh

05:39:36.040 uh it's just like so you're saying okay so first we need to define our terms so gay gay means

05:39:44.440 homosexual happy two two men two men if you're if you're making the argument that a sexual act between

05:39:51.240 a man and a woman is gay like it just logically does not compute because there needs to be two

05:39:59.400 men you don't like there needs to be two men in the way in the way that modern logic works yes you

05:40:05.640 have a point but gay never meant homosexual it meant being happy homosexual is also a new term

05:40:10.760 it's always been sodomy to be a sodomite so in order to go up someone's butthole yeah there's no

05:40:15.720 difference between that and a man and a woman it's not defined by that okay but so you're you're

05:40:20.440 saying that the term the the term gay that you're using means like you're using it in the joyful

05:40:26.440 that's like well that's flamboyant always been the term of it that's what i'm saying i'm trying to

05:40:30.040 break it down how about that's it's like it's not it's not bad faith at all it's actually quite like

05:40:35.960 academic it's here's why it's bad faith because do you think when people are talking about the world

05:40:42.040 the word gay do you think that like for most people they're referring to homosexuality when you

05:40:47.960 think of straight sex do you think of the question answer the question answer the question yes what

05:40:54.360 was the question i'm sorry okay in like for the vast majority of people in 20 perhaps and i don't

05:40:59.080 know when they made the switch when with the word gay in 2024 when people use the word gay

05:41:06.840 you're are you arguing that they're more likely to think that that's a a fill-in for happy or

05:41:13.320 flamboyant or whatever as compared to a descriptive term for homosexuality yeah the latter as opposed

05:41:19.480 so why are you arguing from like a definition that is not current and not modern because we're arguing

05:41:25.000 the act and the act hasn't been defined the act of sodomy is not defined by between two gay men

05:41:30.120 it's defined by going up someone's butt and going up someone's butt has always been seen okay so

05:41:34.840 i'm between men we're getting into a really logical conversation right now but so okay if i'm willing

05:41:40.040 to concede that technically it's sodomy but it's not clear so is everything that is sodomy is that

05:41:46.600 always gay i mean pretty much everything is it makes you a sodomite though it's different like it

05:41:54.040 doesn't here so if we were if we were to google the definition of sodomy and then gay or homosexuality

05:42:01.320 you're are you arguing that we would find that anal that making i i want to come back to what

05:42:09.960 you said earlier you were about to define um straight sex so what is straight sex to you vagina and penis

05:42:17.640 okay so if a trans woman had a vagina surgically that's a mutilated penis it's gay still gay it's

05:42:24.360 literally a mutilated penis that's not a vagina vagina has a wound to it uterus eggs okay so here's

05:42:30.040 here's the definition of sodomy sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation so if if this

05:42:38.040 is the definition you're using then is your position that a man receiving oral sex from a woman is that

05:42:44.680 is a gay that's homosexual behavior i mean i have teased that before and i'm like it is a little gay

05:42:51.000 i mean it's not necessarily as gay as anal but it is a little gay

05:42:56.680 well you said okay but in order for something it's it the the logic doesn't follow in order for

05:43:02.280 something to be gay or homosexual homosexual means with the same sex but having anal sex is

05:43:09.640 very very close to just being like sexually but it's still a female i think you're using the you're

05:43:16.920 using the the term quite loosely you're saying it it's gay like you're saying it like a throwaway

05:43:21.480 term whereas you're honing in on the actual meaning of it it's not a homosexual thing to do because

05:43:26.360 it's with a woman the angles are different it's like you want to specify it's not a man and i'm

05:43:30.600 specifying it's not a man but it could be a man later on if it's the same sex act but it's not a man

05:43:36.120 something a closeted gay man would do it's something that's like a pipeline basically it's like it's

05:43:40.760 in itself like if a woman's like oh a guy's super into anal sex other women i am not stingy with my

05:43:45.640 barn door going in that direction i could see that my barn door i'm not stingy with it

05:43:51.480 what the okay yeah it's time for us to hold on wait we're not we're we're almost wrapped up just

05:43:59.560 hang tight for just a sec guys okay they ran so it's not gay hang tight for a sec no shall we go

05:44:05.000 around the panel no we're we're gonna move on but um okay that was all right um so i think the last

05:44:14.200 thing with oh with ivory can you scoot your mic uh to the edge of the table please uh ivory one of

05:44:20.520 the things and i left this for the end here uh you actually you're scaring me no it's just so you said

05:44:27.480 we asked you is there anything like you disagree with about the show or the host and you wrote i

05:44:32.360 forgot what i said oh my god why do you keep dragging on the negative energy it's annoying crying emoji like

05:44:37.800 just say okay i'll do better and move on respectfully just say your opinion and no it's just an opinion

05:44:42.360 stop getting suppressed oh a lot of that happened today like when we were going back and forth and

05:44:46.600 back and forth and back and forth like it's just like just say okay like you have your opinion they

05:44:51.400 have their opinion why are you trying to prove each other's opinions to each other i mean that's

05:44:54.440 kind of like the point that's kind of the point of like a debate is no i understand i'm not just

05:44:58.760 gonna like immediately just accept your world worldview i'm gonna try to like but there's just like

05:45:03.880 to an extent you know what i mean to an extent i thought this was like related to uh something

05:45:11.800 else but okay i mean we're not gonna go there um any any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up

05:45:17.560 the show can i ask a question sure um i just want to kind of ask people like starting with you and

05:45:24.760 probably going around like how people feel when like how do i word this um how people feel when

05:45:38.120 they're like loved and in love like how do they feel about society when they're like in a happy

05:45:43.320 relationship and stuff like does their worldview change on the value of the opposite gender

05:45:50.680 i'm wait i'm sorry can you just restate i was following and then so basically if if you're in

05:45:59.800 like a um relationship where you feel loved do you feel like you have a better outlook toward the opposite

05:46:10.600 gender if i'm in a healthy good relationship do i have a better outlook towards the opposite gender

05:46:18.680 uh yeah i mean i like to think i have a healthy outlook whether i'm in a good relationship or not

05:46:28.440 i mean i try i to keep it real i keep it real man i keep it real i mean i think women are fantastic i

05:46:36.920 don't always agree with them on everything i sometimes don't don't always understand them but

05:46:41.640 by and large i think women are great i think women are wonderful i've got a mother i've got a

05:46:45.960 sister and um whether i'm in a relationship or not really doesn't um impact that but i have i mean

05:46:52.440 i have seen a pattern with both men and women they can sometimes like have negative outlooks on the

05:46:58.360 opposite gender gender but then they tend to calm down a ton once they actually get into like a

05:47:04.680 relationship you know so yeah yeah i think i have largely positive interactions with women i've got a

05:47:10.920 very good relationship with my mom i don't have any sisters um yeah i've i've had some positive

05:47:17.240 relationships some not so positive as well so the ones that weren't weren't so positive definitely like

05:47:22.440 after after that it probably takes its toll a little bit but when you are in a positive healthy

05:47:27.560 relationship then yeah most definitely makes you makes you appreciate the opposite sex i'd say a woman

05:47:35.240 motivates a man to combat the world i'd say that a man gives a woman peace in her reality so if a

05:47:42.200 woman is disturbing a man's peace his reality is going to be he's not going to be motivated to take

05:47:46.040 on the world and if yeah a man is a bad man then he's going to make a woman basically feel like she's in

05:47:50.040 hell um was it did you want everybody to answer this or was it just for me and jake um i mean if if that's

05:47:58.440 fine it depends okay wait super quick lesson i do really have to go before we get left behind

05:48:03.400 sorry no you're okay okay we're fine they're not leaving us behind they're not who's who's that girl

05:48:10.760 i want to go wait who's that who's that she's miss sassy and i'm not ready for her sass right now so

05:48:17.720 continue it's gonna be how how long is the drive into the mountains like six hours that's gonna be an

05:48:23.080 awkward she gets out three hours she what i get out in three hours in yeah she's i'm staying in

05:48:30.280 fresno right now well you have to drive the full six hours yes i do i live in the mountains are we

05:48:35.560 seeing a bit of trouble in paradise here yes we're both from the same place but right now i live in

05:48:39.720 fresno we're literally born two days apart who wins the fight me no she does not yeah i do i kind

05:48:45.080 of think you'd take jake on a date after the show to be honest i should huh probably into the mountains

05:48:51.160 she's actually is a hard working woman she has a nine to five she has what she has a nine to five

05:48:55.960 and she works every day yeah i work six out of seven days a week you're a legend

05:49:02.520 fucking legend that would be something uh were we going around on that i mean i don't feel interested

05:49:08.440 so uh honestly you don't feel what like dating a guy and being loved by a guy didn't really improve

05:49:17.160 my opinion on guys if anything i think it made it worse because like i was like very like i guess

05:49:24.280 weak like um but um honestly my opinion of men didn't improve at all until i repaired my relationship

05:49:35.480 with my dad awesome yeah like that's like one of the biggest things it didn't yeah good for you

05:49:41.960 it's your first love your dad yeah that's the model's definition about yourself hey guys sidebar

05:49:48.600 conversations uh what was the do you feel when you're in a relationship that's like happy or healthy

05:49:54.760 like you feel loved and in love do you have a better outlook on the opposite gender

05:49:59.800 i feel like yes and no because like being in a happy relationship and me feeling loved doesn't

05:50:08.200 change the fact of how other men are going to act does that make sense so like not really but like

05:50:14.200 maybe it might give me a little more lightness towards the other the endorphins don't necessarily

05:50:19.800 skew the reality yeah okay yourself um definitely doesn't change the fact about men in general but it

05:50:26.440 definitely shows me that there's some men out there if that makes sense yeah definitely just

05:50:33.960 gives you a new perspective like there are some decent guys out there and they're not all scumbags

05:50:40.600 um but other than that i don't really view the majority of the population any different

05:50:47.720 yeah

05:50:47.960 yeah come on kayla what does that yeah she's tired isn't she yeah so when you're in a like happy

05:50:56.200 healthy yeah loving relationship do you do men differently in general i remember it's been like

05:51:01.320 three years since i was single i think so are you in a long-term relationship at the moment yes yeah

05:51:06.680 she's she's yeah i'm in three years yeah my bad um i'm like 20. meow been quiet the second half of the

05:51:13.560 show oh i missed you i'm waiting my turn i uh i have a really fantastic father figure so i don't

05:51:19.320 feel like there's any point in my life that i've disproportionately viewed men as villainous

05:51:22.760 um in fact my experiences with women as i've gotten older um have been a lot more uh insidious i feel

05:51:30.360 like especially like other adult women wanting to like influence me into certain areas or aspects

05:51:36.520 like like for instance i i reflected on this the other day and the fact is i i thought about it and out

05:51:41.640 of all of the men and women who i have ever interacted with who have done only fans or done

05:51:45.080 sex work it has always been in my personal experience the women who have encouraged me

05:51:50.440 who have pushed me out of my comfort zone who have been inappropriate toward me whereas the men either

05:51:54.760 never even talk about it or they do the classic hey do you do that oh okay i guess not it's just uh

05:51:59.960 it's not like a so in your you're an e-girl right you do the streaming yes live streaming you must

05:52:06.920 get a lot of temptation a lot of people trying to tell you that to do the only fans and there

05:52:11.800 must be a lot of money on the table absolutely what why not um because i don't believe in uh

05:52:18.760 exploiting myself for a dollar amount uh for a certain amount of years or months that i feel like

05:52:24.200 that will get me where i need to be i'm fortunate that i've been working since the age of 15 i i've been

05:52:29.400 very diligent about building a life for myself and i've been able to build an entire career online

05:52:34.680 myself without taking my clothes off and so i know for a fact that there are so many beautiful

05:52:38.520 women who have so much talent and so much personality but because of the culture we live in

05:52:43.720 they are encouraged this quick money option when in reality it's not quick money it's it's not a

05:52:49.080 longevity endeavor endeavor it's not i'll agree i think that's that depends on the person i don't know

05:52:59.080 i've seen a lot of quick money from me so like here i'm just curious you i detect a bit of an accent

05:53:05.480 from you arson do you where did you grow up south central la no i i grew up actually in seattle um but

05:53:13.960 so but i don't know i was yeah in seattle i don't know if you know anything about there but yeah

05:53:21.000 there's different parts yeah definitely i have an accent of like exactly where i'm from like i've

05:53:26.280 definitely been told i have an accent exactly where i'm from interesting okay it doesn't sound

05:53:31.320 like what is seattle the uh is that considered the pacific northwest yeah there's there's different

05:53:37.800 parts of seattle though like you don't sound like you're from the pacific northwest there's there's

05:53:43.880 different parts okay there's different parts okay fair um we have a i'm once everyone's back in

05:53:50.040 their seats i'll wrap up the show i don't know if we anyone back there who can rejoin do we have

05:53:54.600 uh this is the one we got less and then green uh zombie there's a new hat that's made an

05:54:00.840 appearance here let me read this so we have some soviet union we got some tweets i gotta pull up

05:54:06.120 then we're gonna wrap yo brian as a combat veteran a fireman for 25 years cancer survivor x3 please

05:54:11.160 show these feminists and three of foes on of the very end of saving private ryan uh that's what a

05:54:16.360 traditional woman looks like my grandfather landed third wave at omaha beach liberated buchenwald

05:54:21.960 uh unfortunately just for copyright reasons we wouldn't be able to show uh the end of the you

05:54:28.440 know a major motion picture but actually showing them the beginning of saving private ryan would

05:54:33.960 probably be a bigger uh much more productive or i don't recall what the end of it was but uh rock

05:54:40.440 dog really appreciate your patronage thank you for the message i think this is your first time uh

05:54:44.760 sending in a super chat so thank you man appreciate it and uh okay we had a couple tweets that we're

05:54:49.160 going to go over uh nick we're not going to show the ones that are at the end but you know just the

05:54:53.720 ones that i initially showed you we'll just we have who is it the tweets from yeah we'll just pull the

05:54:59.320 tweets up one of you guys had some interesting tweets i thought we'd react to them it's jewels

05:55:05.320 i love being an online slot wait actually can wait can somebody give her a mic can somebody swap seats

05:55:14.840 with her so it's over a year old just 23 almost a year here how about you two swap you two swap you

05:55:20.760 two swap here hold on i'll let her read them i'll let her take a seat

05:55:25.080 what's up here wait pull the pull up to the mic pull up to the mic all right go ahead pull it up

05:55:35.320 nick we'll have you read it okay i love being an online slut all men should fear me

05:55:43.160 i i believe this is true this is factual explain why should all men fear you

05:55:49.320 dude oh my god why should all men fear me this is a good question you said it i know i did but i

05:55:58.520 don't even remember what mindset i was in that time i'm like embarrassed i should go delete that

05:56:02.440 she was talking about men the whole night so i don't know it's a whole other personality

05:56:11.720 like a lot of people come on the show right and like you guys have really strong opinions don't be

05:56:16.120 scared to share your viewpoints what if we get cancelled though right i've already

05:56:24.120 it's a small price to pay small price to pay for internet fame i think i must have just meant

05:56:31.560 i must have just meant all men should fear me as in like please stay away from me and stop hurting me

05:56:36.200 uh can i have you scoot into the table a little bit i don't know if we got bumped um perfect uh

05:56:51.160 okay there's more we got more tweets

05:56:55.000 can you read it never simp for a male again like i said yeah i just i simp for males really bad

05:57:08.360 in my past and i'm over it how did that look like how did what would like simping look like for you

05:57:13.640 uh basically doing doing a lot more for them that they're doing for me and they're most likely treating

05:57:20.440 me like and i still continue to simp for them you know what i mean when the body count question came

05:57:26.200 up you said that you didn't want a man to judge you but i think you're lacking judgment when it

05:57:29.720 comes to the men that you're engaging with and i think you need to exercise that judgment more so

05:57:33.880 that way you can protect yourself from them while also having self-awareness yeah definitely don't

05:57:37.800 stop simping though yeah we like we like i like sim yeah i like a girl who sims for the right guy

05:57:45.560 you've got a very that's great exactly you've got a sweet nature i can see the sweetness exactly

05:57:52.520 and i feel like guys just i don't know i'm so sweet but guys fucking take advantage of me still

05:57:59.320 but i'm the sweetest and i just don't understand why i get treated the way i do by men probably go for

05:58:04.120 guys your own age don't you wait why did you gesture at me well maybe i could see why from

05:58:09.960 my online presence though from these tweets you're pulling up maybe that's why i tend to get treated

05:58:15.240 like do you have a good father figure no okay never mind nor do i have a mom find one and ask him

05:58:21.240 to pick someone for you oh that's such based advice like literally such good okay uh next

05:58:28.760 dude again i swear go ahead wait wait i swear to god males are why i have to get so high on a daily

05:58:37.240 basis y'all trip me the out i tweeted this while i was in a very bad relationship

05:58:43.320 and yeah dude i i honestly have to get so high on a daily basis just to deal with people in general

05:58:50.120 okay like y'all freak me out on on weed okay don't yeah that's it kind of a red flag okay next next

05:58:59.960 tweet next tweet is it gonna be my tweets again i i looked through your guys's twitters and i

05:59:08.840 i don't have a twitter read it the fact that i have to take so much

05:59:12.360 shit from males on a daily basis makes me such an unhinged bitch jules i don't know you've seen

05:59:18.600 kind of nice on the show i mean you do are you hiding what are you hiding last night she was

05:59:23.560 telling us about tea that she was recording him she almost got fired from her dog

05:59:30.760 yeah men make me unhinged they try to get reactions out of me and they do end up getting

05:59:36.840 so would you like lull us in with this like sweetness lullaby and this soft-spoken lullaby and then when we

05:59:42.120 get in there you just become an unhinged bitch wait well these men make me an unhinged bitch

05:59:47.320 wait what's your actual name it's not crunkasaurus what's your actual name i'm jules jules yeah all

05:59:52.760 right jules can you demonstrate like let's maybe do a role play here pretend i'm like an asshole dude

06:00:01.560 like what's the like do you ever raise your voice oh yeah like i because you seem like i say

06:00:07.400 first impression things you seem like a sweet oh you degrade yeah when they get out of me when

06:00:13.880 they get it out of me because like chat doesn't she seem like i mean you know pretty pleasant you

06:00:19.560 know that's what i'm saying soft-spoken soothing voice if i could for once meet a guy that would

06:00:25.160 transform i need to see super saiyan i need to see jules super saiyan level two i can pull up some text

06:00:30.440 messages dude it gets bad okay wait did you have your phone do you have your phone on oh yeah i just

06:00:35.560 grabbed i didn't have it on the whole time oh yeah yeah go ahead go ahead let's i want some let's

06:00:39.560 see let's see some receipts i'm literally the same way and online you can have a whole nother

06:00:46.760 presence than in real life you know yeah like if men are not respectable like i don't respect them

06:00:52.680 you know what i mean like see that's why you guys say the same thing about women you gotta be careful

06:00:58.600 you know you gotta be careful sometimes the crazy doesn't come out until weeks or months down

06:01:05.560 the road yeah you know yeah man all right jules let me see all right jules let's uh so uh

06:01:17.000 you want me to find just i want you to project all your fucking everything onto me you can project

06:01:23.720 it we're gonna okay i got it project everything and then say that shit like just fucking you're a method

06:01:29.400 actor get in the fucking mode do you this message is so long should i read the whole thing god damn

06:01:34.680 bro you're sending paragraphs holy shit did y'all see that shit that's just like this my man didn't

06:01:41.320 reply okay but say it like how you mean it like yeah fucking lean into that shit well if i

06:01:51.880 fucking look at me here i'm gonna put on yeah this is your ex-boyfriend right here yeah i don't think

06:01:59.640 that's her ex-boyfriend that's the dude that's i'm the dude i don't know if i can like read it very

06:02:05.800 aggressively like i'm honestly kind of nervous right now being put on the spot but i already

06:02:09.480 what's like a dick thing like your ex said to you and i'll say it right now he called me on the phone

06:02:15.400 no caller id yeah just to be like you're such a fucking slut how do you like being a slut jules

06:02:21.320 get back on only fans i bet you'll love that shit you dumb bitch okay that was real that's what he said

06:02:27.640 i literally stopped doing only fans for him and then that's what he says to me after yeah and then so

06:02:32.840 this is the text i sent him you guys want to read it so bad oh you did the him so well now do you go

06:02:39.400 okay you're the most two-faced lying ass manipulative bitch i've ever dealt with in my life and i know

06:02:46.760 you know exactly what i'm talking about you freak ass weirdo keeping me on the fucking leash the last

06:02:51.880 month tell me telling me we'd get back together and you're working on yourself for me lies you're out

06:02:56.600 here partying with anyone and every single you're out here partying with everyone every single night

06:03:01.640 telling our co-workers i'm crazy in our business like you already know how terrible you make me

06:03:06.200 feel can you leave shit at home and not take take it to our jobs where we both work and have to be

06:03:11.560 getting everyone involved in it you fucking weirdo you're literally so lame and gross holy

06:03:16.520 shit literally master con artist fuck boy wants to use me when i'm lit the only body you'll ever get

06:03:21.960 in your fucking life you ugly small dick ass little boy do not speak or even look in my direction again

06:03:27.240 at work fucking loser i have to work with this guy she didn't even start up that reminds me of

06:03:31.720 this is for rachel this is for rachel you fixed it and then she starts going off that was impressive

06:03:36.520 yeah that's where i got him oh i felt it still sounded like pretty nice though like just the way you

06:03:42.280 say it thank you it's still like you know like her tonality she's got a pleasant voice was the ppd

06:03:49.960 girl that bad where it's like that's compared in comparison that's not actually that bad compared

06:03:54.360 to what you what you've seen well okay if you look at the actual content of what she's saying it's

06:03:59.560 pretty fucking that's pretty raw but like the way she was saying it like if i was like dating a girl

06:04:05.080 and she was just like that could have put me to sleep listening to that that was like

06:04:08.440 like very soothing that was soothing you small dick bitch ass man i'll even say when i was so

06:04:13.480 soothing right it's so soothing when i have yelled at him in real life i am this quiet really while

06:04:18.920 i'm yelling like i'm not even that scary in this i don't know if that's like worse or better like is

06:04:24.680 it kind of scary that she's like so calm and shit i've heard women sound like pterodactyls like

06:04:30.520 that ass like yep okay we've got more tweets what's the more tweets more tweets oh my goodness

06:04:40.680 you got this damn males make me so fucking angry just looking at their stupid dumb idiotic faces i

06:04:46.120 want to fucking smash that shit into a curb for real i've just been played guys i've been played my

06:04:51.000 whole life by my dad by by every guy after my dad you know so this is where this is all coming from

06:04:57.800 i'm all your dad's fault what's going on this is your inner turmoil coming out but i'm working on

06:05:03.880 it though i'm like in a way stronger spot than i've ever been in my life like you guys are starting

06:05:08.120 to show like signs of piercing beyond that sort of pain and seeing what you need to change basically

06:05:13.000 i've literally seen girls on here like yeah like hopeless but like a lot of girls on here like they

06:05:18.600 actually like are like cognizant jake will give you a ride back it's it's all good really jake wait what

06:05:26.440 what do you mean are we gonna get some bonding time i think you guys should go go to the mountains

06:05:31.000 together wait is that he's not fucking leaving if he leaves me he's in deep shit bye okay yeah i'll go

06:05:40.920 he doesn't have kids i know him he doesn't have kids he's got he's got is that is it your guy friend

06:05:46.920 fam i i don't family friend is it i don't even know so she's leaving uh

06:05:56.600 she's spending the night they're not gonna leave without you no they're just trying to

06:06:00.520 guilt you or whatever yes and i don't care is there more did you read the tweet

06:06:04.680 yeah i read it was there another tweet we got another tweet nick there are more tweets more tweets

06:06:08.520 yeah we've done a lot of all right next one oh my god what is it what is this i knew you oh never

06:06:19.240 mind no astrology bro it sucks because wait wait bro it sucks because i can say all day long i hate

06:06:25.000 men and no more relationships but at the end of the day i'm a libra so i can't fight these natural

06:06:29.400 urges of wanting to be in love so bad and that's like i'm a natural lover girl i'm a libra

06:06:33.960 heard anything about libras i'm a libra like this this just sucks i don't like i don't want to be

06:06:38.840 a lover girl anymore dude it hurts i think it's only us libra's that want any tauruses or anything

06:06:44.200 i don't know any tauruses all the other stars it's cold man scorpio okay that means any other

06:06:51.800 tweets more tweets one more tweet we got one more one more oh wait what oh maybe it's scroll down

06:06:59.880 it was a reply tweet

06:07:05.000 no i basically a celibate ho irl because none of these emails have proven worthy to me as of lately

06:07:10.840 okay yeah and i was celibate until i was with my that last ex sounds like a good name for like

06:07:16.120 a singer celibate ho right double entendre okay uh cool uh

06:07:24.920 uh so why why is it that you uh

06:07:33.320 what did you say you have the two libra men on top of you because you're also libra attracting that

06:07:37.400 energy no astrology mentioned but it's fine okay uh any find any other final thoughts here before

06:07:44.600 we wrap anybody final final thought from anybody else kayla if you were a cat or dog which one would you be

06:07:51.560 she's torn she's torn she's torn not really it's not fun

06:08:00.200 she's literally a dog guys yeah i don't know what like like i don't know what my floppy ears can like

06:08:04.920 communicate for like the bone the bone collar chain it's a dog bro but your name meow i'd be uh

06:08:12.920 i'd be a golden retriever yeah you have a golden retriever i'd be a doberman you'd be a box

06:08:18.920 everyone's choosing uh cocker spaniel

06:08:24.120 just get no play no one likes cats here we need to hear from zombrey okay

06:08:29.960 you've been a little quiet i know i'm just quiet what's in your head zombre

06:08:33.720 wait question for the the friends of zombrey here yeah so so you know are you introverted

06:08:41.960 do you consider yourself introverted yeah quite you guys are friends with her right you're all

06:08:45.560 friends with zombrey does her personality blossom like when you're with her privately yes 100 you

06:08:53.960 gotta blossom she just like like she just has to be comfortable yeah she just has to be comfortable

06:08:59.960 with the people she's around okay all right another sweetheart zombrey i would say have you

06:09:06.520 ever slashed a dude's tires no is she a psycho at all guys i've definitely spray painted my whole

06:09:13.560 boyfriend's closet like his whole like his ricks everything expensive i could find like i'm not

06:09:19.800 red too do you think like your boyfriend or like ex-boyfriend do you think they also gloat to all of

06:09:24.920 their friends about how they've like you guys up yes oh yeah that's literally the reason i

06:09:29.880 stopped talking to him when i was 13 that's literally like disgusting like why are you talking

06:09:35.560 my best friend about things we did when i was 13 like you're really gross and i'm like i'm not

06:09:41.720 talking to you no more unfortunately like a track like guys definitely he does that like yes i literally

06:09:48.360 see it in the group chats don't lie let's not cap right now yeah yeah i don't know what kind of

06:09:54.360 circles you're moving in but listen y'all be menaces in them group chats y'all be going in i'm not in

06:09:59.400 any group i'm actually not i'm not in group chats men in general then again i feel like i'm kind of

06:10:04.280 like a lone wolf very individualistic person so i guess that's why they call it sin city

06:10:11.320 boom yeah how old are you 34 yeah that's why he's not in any group chats

06:10:16.040 good times good times um okay uh i guess the last thing i wanted to uh ask what the what was up with

06:10:26.760 the fucking what was the blood thing about what do you mean like you you had menstrual blood apparently

06:10:33.720 in a syringe yeah yeah why close enough um but um we were i just had us perform a little spell

06:10:45.800 little manifestation spell just to do well like on this show and in live and you know we just list

06:10:52.040 some paper on fire put it all in the center like of what wrote down what we want to do well on just

06:10:57.080 some cute little little symbolic thing what made me laugh was the fact that you you took out that one

06:11:02.600 flamethrower they had to take that away from you you then show that one photo they take that away

06:11:06.120 from you you then bring out the search they take that away from you i'm like still kind of

06:11:10.840 can genuinely strap today yeah yeah i keep that thing on me for me you keep that thing on me

06:11:21.320 no but like why yo ab check thank you for the gifted 20 memberships appreciate it

06:11:26.600 uh why like why did you i was gonna put it on a necklace just as a like a charm like a good luck

06:11:32.840 charm but instead i put it in my ass crack

06:11:40.040 and you said it was blood from like your all these girls here not all not all

06:11:45.320 like yeah no it's always consensual it's always if you want to participate and obviously not everyone

06:11:50.920 i'm going to be into that you put so it's whoever wanted to participate okay so why did why did you

06:11:56.360 put it in a syringe because that's how she drew it you're supposed to get the blood yeah because how

06:12:01.400 else would you draw blood oh you drew it i thought it was menstrual it can be menstrual blood but it

06:12:07.560 also drew it out from multiple women i know not with no no i i okay it was a different different needle yeah

06:12:15.720 but i thought there were so there's more than one blood in well i didn't i don't have both of them

06:12:22.200 on me that would be like no it's like that'd be crazy it's only really sensitive to bring one

06:12:26.840 yeah but why i mean that's like a biohazard why would you it wasn't your blood was it i was i

06:12:33.160 tried to do it on myself but it was like a really bad but why would you bring that to a podcast

06:12:38.760 uh well it didn't have the needle on it that's like that's like i feel like those are just

06:12:43.480 a container people wear vials of blood just her essentials you know yeah it's like wallet keys

06:12:50.280 vial what's in my what's in my purse exactly yeah and you did blood play with a boyfriend or something

06:12:55.640 was that you yeah you know that's what got freddie mercury that's what got freddie mercury those

06:13:01.640 sorts of things true it what do you mean got easy freddie mercury i don't do that stuff like all the

06:13:06.200 time it's literally just like it's not like i'm out here every day just like bloodletting

06:13:11.160 this is just like once in a while the activity yeah yeah exactly just when it comes up

06:13:18.440 like why what would compel you to bring like a biohazard into like a podcast studio well it was it's

06:13:24.680 locked up it has that a biohazard is contained what do you mean so if you had depressed i don't know

06:13:30.040 if depressed is the right no no no i i sealed it with resin oh you sealed it yes

06:13:35.160 did you yes yes if you were trying to squeeze it nothing would come out that is a biohazard

06:13:40.600 to be fair though if it was to break or something you know i mean so your intention with that wasn't

06:13:45.320 to like come on and spray somebody with with it what no i had this crazy idea which i realized was

06:13:51.240 absolutely insane but like i was like maybe we not say it maybe we not say it okay well keep in mind

06:14:02.200 the law yeah why don't you say it i was like what if we like performed a ritual like on the podcast

06:14:10.920 like just start like playing music bring out the candles and everything like get some holly water

06:14:17.640 and the demon then he comes in yeah yeah i reviewed that i reviewed that i was kidding about the last

06:14:24.040 sentence but yeah wait hold on it's upside down there we go god that's even worse it's upside down

06:14:33.560 all right well um protected you gotta understand like so the reason i disappeared back there for a

06:14:50.600 little bit like i mean we were pretty close to like just kicking you guys all off because like

06:14:56.040 i mean people come on with like malicious intention and uh i mean it's plausible that somebody could try

06:15:04.120 to come on and do something like really fucking gnarly you know so no it was literally the raccoon

06:15:12.840 girl that made me want to come on we were i was thinking of different ways i should troll but i was

06:15:18.280 like hold on hold on can the former jehovah witness and purple dalmatian make a podcast together

06:15:24.680 would be very intellectual and would watch 100 me too but like literally the thought process there

06:15:31.480 is like she has a syringe full of blood like from our point of view is like is she gonna try to like

06:15:37.160 splash it on me or jake or like some like that no no that was never thought in my mind okay i think

06:15:43.320 from an from the initial gauge of your character it wouldn't be but but like it's a that is a ginormous

06:15:47.960 red flag bringing that into a podcast i wouldn't recommend doing it again yeah literally i went off

06:15:51.880 camera and are like we may have to like but there's there's also like two incidences of things

06:15:58.760 that are like against the terms of service for the sites that you showed yeah it's it's one you don't

06:16:03.400 have any malicious intent and it's very clear for i guess maybe me but it's like these are sort of

06:16:08.680 signs and habits of people that could have malicious intent and that's kind of why you need

06:16:12.600 to have a level of self-awareness where you don't want to have people think that you are someone who

06:16:16.680 could hurt someone else because i don't think you i think you're more a victim that gets hurt

06:16:20.680 rather than someone who initially hurts yeah heck no i don't be out here hurting no one i mind my

06:16:26.120 business and i just like you know stay with like my clique you know so i don't know i don't i don't

06:16:31.480 go out here causing being a menace to society most of the time but not intentionally the the knife

06:16:38.200 experience and the vial of blood do give indications for everyone else being like something bad might happen

06:16:44.360 basically yeah room room for growth perhaps room for growth could you pass me the new testament again

06:16:50.120 actually she might yeah see and that's a part of maturing is just like becoming self-aware um

06:16:58.760 especially because you don't know what other people are a lot of self-awareness oh no you absolutely have

06:17:03.640 zero self-awareness like if i'm aware of the fact that like what i'm i don't know but like in my personal

06:17:11.480 opinion like just like i don't know i think things that are probably not okay are are okay i have probably not

06:17:18.680 the best decision making skills i'm aware of the fact that it's like self-aware you know probably not

06:17:23.880 the best but like i still feel inclined to do things i don't know how to describe it that's a lack of

06:17:28.680 self-awareness it's a pattern of behavior that you're trying to deprogramming yourself i have been told i

06:17:32.760 have behavioral problems but the first first step is to be aware of it and then the second step is to

06:17:38.360 deprogram those bad behaviors that you made into a pattern i don't know i think you have anything else on you

06:17:44.200 no it's already the end but yeah i mean we uh anyways uh wait how long much longer are you gonna wait for them

06:17:51.880 don't know's brian oh i don't we're all caught up on all the chats and stuff i'm pretty sure but uh i mean

06:17:58.280 we've guys we've implemented anyways whatever uh what i'm not gonna linger i'm not gonna linger on that anyways we're gonna wrap up the show uh guys

06:18:07.160 go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops follow drops prime sub if you have one twitch.tv if you have

06:18:12.920 amazon prime you can link it to your twitch quick free easy way to support the show every single month

06:18:16.760 twitch.tv slash whatever thank you guys um are you down to do like 20 seconds of asmr real quick since

06:18:22.200 that's your thing what kind of asmr do you like uh like a 1500s plague doctor asmr bubonic plague

06:18:32.520 doctor asmr it's fatal the sores are all over your body um just make sure that you're reconciled with

06:18:39.960 god otherwise you might be tormented in hell where flamethrowers and piles of blood are present or

06:18:45.480 whatever so yeah that was that was beautiful thank you people okay relaxed by that stuff

06:18:51.400 i yeah i guess i think it's also to get people like into a mood it's for my sort of content of

06:18:57.240 asmr is more so like um i don't know parody i'm gonna check it out i'll go get i'll get the details

06:19:03.240 off you and check it out okay those of you on twitch those of you who are on twitch i'm gonna raid

06:19:07.960 stay safe tv he's currently playing world of warcraft classic season of discovery uh those

06:19:14.040 of you who are watching on twitch we will raid stay safe tv tell them whatever says hi and uh i'll

06:19:22.360 send the raid over here i'll send that raid in just a sec are we forgetting anything nick was there

06:19:26.920 anything else that we had to that we had pulled up or we no like couple of things that we just had

06:19:32.440 oh hmm there was

06:19:41.960 and nah we're gonna wrap uh wait actually fuck it dude wait okay i'm so curious i'm

06:19:49.800 i don't know if we go there i just heard a honk outside i think they do we go there yeah do we

06:19:55.240 kayla do we go there kayla do we go there we go anywhere okay i i was so curious because like i do

06:20:02.120 a little review of your guys's social media profiles and whatnot no it's nothing it's nothing

06:20:06.280 crazy but like i i saw a picture of you when you were younger and then like i was just curious

06:20:12.040 and we'll pull just a comparison put us on the other side put us on the other side i was like

06:20:19.000 yeah this is when i got kicked out i was homeless okay next and then next photo

06:20:24.200 next photo oh god you and then you know do you have a uh face tattoo yeah i got that when i was 17.

06:20:34.760 oh when you're 17 oh okay well that was wait so i'm just like it's such a like difference in

06:20:40.680 that uh like you've changed your style a lot so i'm curious like what happened that was because i had no

06:20:45.160 money like before the first picture that was like i had that shirt that was a pair of sweats and like

06:20:51.080 maybe like three other outfits sleeping in my car so okay that's why okay have you have you

06:20:57.720 consulted like many public services like social workers and especially with the situation with your

06:21:03.240 mother um my um my aunt helps her because it's in new york like yeah and i don't live in new york

06:21:09.960 where's your does your mom live in seattle no my mom my mom lives in uh new york and you live in

06:21:17.080 seattle yeah okay i wonder yo anybody in new york down to like house kayla's mom or at least if

06:21:27.320 you have my own aunt kicked her out so oh you recommend contacts in social services would be the

06:21:30.920 best way to go though because they're they're pretty robust social services yeah new york does she have a

06:21:35.240 social right does she have a social worker is this assigned to her case i'll speak to you after

06:21:41.160 the show about it okay yeah we can cut it oh yeah i was just curious you know this is pretty big

06:21:47.880 difference i guess but um anyways is that big difference well i mean maybe you just didn't

06:21:52.760 dress her i don't know more flamboyant now yeah like what i feel like in some people's lives there's

06:21:58.200 just like a moment like you'll you'll look at you'll look at like there's almost these memes sometimes

06:22:03.080 where it's like before college after after college like someone goes to college and they become like

06:22:08.040 super woke sjw i'm not saying that's the case for you but they have like a total transformation in

06:22:12.600 their physical appearance where they'll like just totally like they'll start doing body mod and

06:22:18.200 like get totally blasting tattoos and and uh i think it says i think that picture was like right before

06:22:24.200 i got kicked out yeah but like okay i was allowed to dye my hair or do anything because then i finally

06:22:32.920 could okay all right exactly what i wanted well there you have it folks um i'm pretty i think we've

06:22:39.000 hit over pretty much as much as we can here um big labia matter support my non-profit big labia matter

06:22:45.560 you know got that girl who left she prefers giant penises i'm i think big labias are you know you

06:22:52.840 know support it guys support my movement blm hashtag blm okay guys last call hit the like button please

06:22:59.800 on your way out thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're

06:23:03.320 here with me i appreciate that hold on did my raid disappear oh shit sorry guys hold on oh

06:23:08.360 shit i'm gonna raid sorry guys one sec god damn it i don't know why i'd fucking give me 10 seconds

06:23:13.560 i'm gonna raid say stay safe uh did i finish you could have been anywhere in the world but you're

06:23:19.400 here with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats donates and supports the show we will

06:23:23.720 be live again tuesday at 5 p.m pacific we got our boy jake joining us once again that's good uh so

06:23:30.200 that's going to be a good show and actually you know what we have a couple open uh open spots on

06:23:36.040 tuesday so if anybody's interested in the hopping any girls are interested in hopping on the tuesday panel

06:23:41.080 if any of you are sticking around town want to hop on another panel we do have some open spaces on

06:23:45.480 tuesday so feel free to uh talk to uh me or nick after the show uh any girls who want to be on the

06:23:51.240 show like i said dm at whatever on instagram i'm raiding stay safe on twitch oh my god is it

06:23:57.160 fucking not working holy shit god damn it fuck hold on guys oh my god um does penis size matter

06:24:05.720 while i'm trying to get this figured out yes yes what the fuck uh yes but unless you're in love

06:24:12.280 then it doesn't matter

06:24:15.960 nah we won't do that

06:24:22.120 i want to give a big thank you to the panel it was uh certainly a unique panel it was a very big panel

06:24:26.200 we normally don't have that many people so uh all right i'm rating rated stay safe over on twitch

06:24:32.920 and uh last thing here okay guys oh sevens in the chat oh sevens in the chat thank you guys for

06:24:40.600 tuning in we'll be live again tuesday i got a good panel uh see you guys goodnight guys

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Whatever Podcast - February 05, 2024

TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast？! ｜ Dating Talk #133

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